The Megyn Kelly Show - Fauci Overstays His Welcome, a Society of Whiners, and Meltdown Over Elon Buying Twitter, with Gad Saad

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00:00:30.000 welcome to the megan kelly show your home for open honest and provocative conversations

00:00:36.200 hey everyone i'm megan kelly welcome to the megan kelly show my guest for the full show today is

00:00:47.920 professor gad sad love gad sad so happy to have him back with us for years gad has been taking on the

00:00:54.700 left exposing how young progressives are holding college campuses hostage with narrow-minded

00:01:00.220 beliefs and an effort to kill common sense altogether and he's in the middle of it because

00:01:05.520 he's a college professor so he's in the belly of the beast and nonetheless has maintained his

00:01:11.840 passionate free speech advocacy he's an absolutist when it comes to it recently he has been speaking

00:01:18.100 out passionately about the protests breaking out across iran where young iranian school girls are

00:01:22.940 now managing to muster the courage to remove their headscarves and protest against a crackdown on

00:01:28.800 women's rights think about that i mean it's crazy they actually could get killed for this and they're

00:01:34.460 doing it uh gad says moves like that are more dangerous than bombs to iran's leaders we'll also

00:01:40.460 tackle the story of this is this is just i can't wait to talk about this story the nyu students the

00:01:46.860 baby whiners who got their professor fired because he made organic chemistry too hard for them

00:01:52.940 hello and what happened to another professor who dared to say there are only two biological sexes

00:01:59.860 so lots to discuss joining me now gad sad he is an evolutionary behavioral scientist and professor

00:02:05.960 of marketing at concordia university in montreal quebec he's also the author of the parasitic mind

00:02:11.640 how infectious ideas are killing common sense and he hosts his own amazing podcast called the sad truth

00:02:18.360 sad s-a-a-d truth

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00:02:43.640 welcome gad oh so good to be with you megan before we begin could i just do some spiritual

00:03:01.860 house cleaning would that be okay let's go for it yeah you do realize that today is the highest

00:03:08.120 jewish holiday where i'm supposed to be fasting meditating about my sins a day of atonement

00:03:15.400 i have an open channel with god i rejected god and came on the megan kelly show i'm doomed

00:03:22.180 i'm going to you know forever i knew you'd come because i remember in our first interview

00:03:28.020 you grew up in lebanon you were jewish you were raised jewish and i'm like it's yom kippur can get but

00:03:34.600 you also told me you were an atheist you understood the the importance of religion

00:03:38.440 and and it subscribed to some of the philosophies of it but you're not a religious man

00:03:43.260 exactly uh and a lot of people say well how could you be jewish and and be a non-believer

00:03:49.200 probably 95 percent of the historical jews that you might be able to mention off the top of your head

00:03:55.840 were very jewish in their identity and they weren't very you know serious believers so i think

00:04:00.900 you know being jewish is a multi-attribute construct i share a heritage with the people

00:04:06.300 i love as you said much of the philosophy in in jewish thinking and i can do all that and i can be

00:04:12.740 very jewish i mean no one has lived their judaism more than i have in lebanon right i had to escape

00:04:17.280 execution because i'm jewish and yet i don't have to worry about you know lighting the candle at 721

00:04:22.840 rather than 722 otherwise god is going to be upset with me so i have kind of a more uh holistic view

00:04:29.200 of judaism rather than all the ritualistic parts well i have to tell you whenever we get to yom kippur

00:04:34.280 i always think as a catholic this is this is judaism's best advertisement for becoming a jew

00:04:39.860 because in catholicism we're supposed to go every week and confess our sins every week they want you

00:04:45.900 in there the jews get to go one day a year atone fast be together with friends and family and then

00:04:53.700 it's done a whole year of sinning awaits you go crazy and then cleanser you know cleansing will

00:04:59.900 happen 365 days forward i love the system there's a lot of bad breaths in synagogue today one of the

00:05:08.720 reasons why maybe i thought it was a good idea to come on the show rather i mean i'm telling you you

00:05:12.520 know i when you it's a full fast by the way in case some of your viewers and listeners don't know

00:05:16.920 it's not you could i mean you can't brush your teeth you can't do anything oh so by about two

00:05:21.680 o'clock in the afternoon it gets some some pretty nasty odors start emanating from all sorts of

00:05:27.500 places what if we're like kids can kids have like a little you know can they have something

00:05:33.040 well so i i think i i could be misspeaking but i if if if i remember correctly i think you

00:05:39.060 kids are only supposed to do the full fast starting at you know let's say for the boys when

00:05:44.220 they have their bar mitzvah at 13 okay so oftentimes what ends up happening i don't know if that's

00:05:49.540 theologically you know prescribed but oftentimes what happens practically is that at 10 11 years

00:05:54.620 old they start doing exactly what you were hinting at maybe they do the fast till three in the

00:05:59.320 afternoon or maybe they they drink a bit of water but once you commit to doing it it's all or nothing

00:06:04.780 it's deontological as we might talk about later when we discuss sam harris i don't i don't know how

00:06:10.260 they how they do it i mean i look at my kids um you know dresser the the the bureau in their room

00:06:17.300 or the little table side of their bed you open it up to put away a book that's on the table what have

00:06:21.600 you it's stocked with candy i didn't know that it existed it's like there's no way my kids would

00:06:27.640 hold off i i like the discipline of it all right so my kids because they're mine and doug's will be

00:06:33.140 raised tough and we will occasionally hurt their feelings and we will hold them to high standards of

00:06:38.900 mental toughness and emotional toughness and we won't raise them to be bullies but we also won't

00:06:43.160 raise them to be whiners and that's what we have right now in gen z a bunch of whiners as exhibited

00:06:50.260 by no better story than this one this thing out of nyu get is gold for you and for me today so

00:06:58.140 as i understand it because before i was married to doug i was married to dan with whom i'm still

00:07:03.140 friends and dan was a doctor and still is a very successful doctor down uh down in virginia

00:07:08.920 and so i was with dan when he finished medical school when he went through internship when he

00:07:14.080 went through residency when he went through fellowship uh was at hopkins the whole bit

00:07:17.820 and i can tell you just from my perch it's all very hard it's all very challenging and for very good

00:07:25.700 reasons the professors and the doctors and so on are not they don't go easy on doctors in training

00:07:31.900 because they want you and me to live when we come under these people's care and they it's very

00:07:39.820 exacting not everybody makes it and that's the way it should be we don't want everyone to become a navy

00:07:45.560 seal or a doctor or a pilot we want it to be extraordinary well that was yesterday at nyu this

00:07:54.120 professor just got fired because 82 of the 350 students in maitland jones jr's organic chemistry

00:08:05.260 class felt it was too challenging they were upset that organic chemistry was too hard so instead of

00:08:15.080 looking inward and saying maybe i should have studied a little harder i mean why why did all the other

00:08:19.760 students managed to get through why is it just the 82 of us these are the losers these are the dumb

00:08:24.300 dumbs these are the people who couldn't hack it that's the truth instead of accepting that or doubling

00:08:28.820 down they decided to come after this guy filed a complaint with the university um here are a couple

00:08:35.520 of the items i i mean my notes in in the margin read omg omg barf snot-nosed children

00:08:42.640 they are mad because uh their grades were too low they were not giving grades that would allow them

00:08:49.560 to get into medical school given they were not given grades that would allow them to get in

00:08:53.580 medical school that he had a condescending and demanding tone gad and that he failed to make

00:09:02.220 their learning and well-being a priority all right so what do you make of it because they just

00:09:08.100 and why you fired the guy oh i've got so much to say about this first i'll say you probably know

00:09:13.960 the concept of anti-fragility which was kind of popularized by a good friend of mine also lebanese

00:09:18.780 author nasim talib in a book that he wrote on anti-fragility right i mean that which doesn't kill

00:09:24.240 you makes you stronger is exactly the colloquial term for anti-fragility which is we expect to be

00:09:30.760 challenged with stressors for example our immune system works best when we are exposed to allergens

00:09:37.300 right kids who grow up with pet dander who grow up on farms end up having lesser respiratory ailments

00:09:44.060 than kids who grow up in sterile environments precisely because your immune system expects to be

00:09:48.940 triggered right so i argue in the parasitic mind that our critical thinking expects the same thing in

00:09:55.260 order for you to develop good critical thinking abilities you have to be put through the test so

00:10:00.240 resilience grit anti-fragility are truly important things for you to have optimal living so the idea

00:10:08.500 that something is too hard look i studied mathematics i studied the computer science i you know i did a

00:10:14.660 thesis in operations research which is a field in applied mathematics i never had someone complain that

00:10:19.740 you know mathematics was too hard we had to dumb it down so this is really a reflection of the zeitgeist

00:10:24.480 that we see today i'll mention two other quick personal stories one that just happened recently

00:10:29.980 so this semester i'm teaching an undergraduate class on my you know evolutionary consumption stuff

00:10:34.920 and i'm teaching an mba course uh a seminar on consumer behavior uh several students dropped out of

00:10:41.820 the first class which you know i i jokingly said when i came into the next week's course you know i can't

00:10:46.880 believe that uh students would drop my course what kind of irrational decision is that and then

00:10:51.080 someone said to me professor i don't want you to be offended by this but a lot of them dropped

00:10:56.680 because you exuded an air of toughness i said well what do you mean and then he said well in your

00:11:03.120 course outline you clearly stated that you will not alter the schedule of the evaluative exercises

00:11:10.900 to suit every mba student's idiosyncratic schedule and a lot of students were offended by that

00:11:17.260 gee i mean so i should i should not say the exam is going to be held on october 12th i should alter

00:11:24.060 the dates of the exams to fit each student's travel plans so that was one story that speaks to your point

00:11:30.740 that the second one is one from when i was way back at uh so i did my phd at cornell and there's a

00:11:36.200 there's a point at which in your in your doctorate you have to do what's called the the comprehensive exam

00:11:41.120 this is where your committee could ask you any question on any of the fields that they're covering

00:11:46.680 so if i have a professor from statistics who's on my doctoral committee that professor could ask me

00:11:51.820 anything in statistics anything in psychology of decision making so i walked into that uh that uh

00:11:58.940 exam thinking that you know my my committee member they're very friendly they're very sweet

00:12:04.280 well i walked in it was as if i was facing a completely different beast they were all very

00:12:09.260 curt they were all quite combative and then when they asked me to step out of the room so that they

00:12:14.240 can deliberate my fate and then they asked me back in everybody was smiley they congratulated me for

00:12:20.940 having defended my dissertation proposal and so on so i looked at my supervisor and i said to him

00:12:25.320 what the fj i actually talk about this in my next book and he looked at me and smiled and said well

00:12:32.040 that was just some good old-fashioned ivy league butt kicking it will make a man out of you so they they

00:12:37.940 weren't there to coddle me they weren't there to hug me and caress me they knew that i was going to go on

00:12:43.440 the speaking circuit applying for professorship where the audience is going to be very tough

00:12:48.300 and so they made sure that they put me through the baptism by fire and i have nothing but thanks for

00:12:53.920 them today so those kids that you spoke about at nyu are little whiners yes and they want to be future

00:13:00.080 doctors or there's only one reason to take organic chemistry and that is because you want to go to

00:13:03.740 medical school the rest of us sane humans choose never to touch that kind of a subject um so it is

00:13:09.620 it's used as sort of a weeder it weeds out the week historically from those who can make it into

00:13:15.940 medical school and through medical school and as a doctor and those who cannot and so if you are the

00:13:20.000 one of the loser 82 students who didn't do well in this class you should take the message accordingly

00:13:24.180 you're a loser you can't do it you should consider another field not all of us can do it i get it when

00:13:29.280 it comes to medicine i'm a loser too i couldn't make that however if it and by the way i did have

00:13:34.780 a similar experience just in high school where it was the only class i ever got a c in chemistry i did

00:13:40.180 well in everything other than that chemistry i got a c in and you know what i realized this isn't my

00:13:45.020 thing i didn't go blame the professor i didn't say the testing's too hard i said that i've struggled

00:13:50.660 with this from the beginning it's not my thing i get it these students gad this is to your point

00:13:56.540 about what your students who dropped your class complain about they're mad that the professor

00:14:01.180 reduced the number of midterm exams from three to two flattening their chances to compensate for

00:14:08.020 their low grades like he owes them a certain number of tests by the way he says that given the schedule

00:14:14.620 of the university that would have had the first exam be way too soon in the in the season they say um

00:14:20.740 he didn't offer extra credit why why must a professor offer extra credit at all that's just

00:14:28.080 get a good grade on the tests that are offered you're not entitled to a chance for extra um and

00:14:33.900 then they criticized his tone among other things and here's where here's what happened they didn't

00:14:39.480 ask that he be fired but they wanted this to be addressed so that so the university and and the guy

00:14:44.720 by the way the professor dr jones and two others had already taped 52 organic chemistry lectures

00:14:49.940 to make it easier on these kids during the pandemic saying we get it may be tough for you you can watch

00:14:55.140 these at any time he paid five grand out of his own pocket so that they could have this wasn't enough

00:14:59.740 um they wanted more help and they kept giving him more they're giving them more help but this

00:15:04.820 professor saying these students seem disengaged and they weren't coming to class they weren't watching

00:15:10.940 the videos and they weren't able to answer the questions and so instead of backing their professor

00:15:16.240 gad the university turfed him noting that um the people who pay the bills of you know who gets into

00:15:23.780 these schools uh didn't weren't going to like these results so basically they're worried about their bottom

00:15:28.620 line and their u.s news world and report ranking you know i'll i'll tell you two other obviously since

00:15:35.000 i'm a professor i can i'm thank you for choosing that topic because i can of course speak with with

00:15:40.040 great ease about it although with some pain i get more nervous and and i'm hardly someone who who

00:15:46.560 easily is is you know frazzled uh i get more nervous when i have to kind of hold my breath

00:15:53.500 after i post the grades of the of the semester then i do coming on megan kelly's show or going on gut felt

00:16:02.260 right like in other words i'm not in the least bit phased in appearing in front of millions of people

00:16:07.860 now i may be over exaggerating it's not as though i'm i'm in a fetal position you know sucking my

00:16:12.660 thumb and crying when i post my grades but i'm really ruining the fact that there will be a few

00:16:17.560 students whom i'll have to engage with and i'll have to explain why well you know the reason why

00:16:22.780 you received zero on participation because you never participated in the class so what is it that

00:16:29.640 you expected other than zero but that's not fair sir i was there in spirit you know i really love your

00:16:35.060 class i really but yes but the the i was grading you on participation and you never participated so

00:16:41.840 i can't make up a grade just like if i go see my physician and he gives me a cholesterol score i don't

00:16:47.360 negotiate for a better cholesterol score it is what it is and but that's the kind of stuff that we have

00:16:52.860 and it's it frankly it it really gnaws at you and it's it's one of the reasons where sometimes i look

00:16:58.800 at my wife and i say how much longer can i be doing this teaching stuff yes well i will also say

00:17:04.120 to to object to tone being condescending i mean good luck becoming any sort of a professional right

00:17:11.480 when i practice law do you think opposing counsel's tone is always appropriate and a judge is never quote

00:17:18.940 condescending get used to it if you want to be in any sort of meaningful profession or challenging

00:17:24.300 professional uh life doctors are you kidding me that the abuse that was heaped on my first ex-husband

00:17:30.900 and these you know residencies and fellowships which were some of the best in the world it's like

00:17:35.560 a club it's like a fraternity that they have to go through and it's it's all designed toward an end

00:17:40.560 purpose you have to be tough to be a doctor you there's it's intensely stressful with all sorts of

00:17:48.360 pressures raining down on you and split second decisions that are potentially life-saving or life-ending

00:17:53.720 that you have to make and you've got to be somebody who can withstand an enormous shitstorm around you

00:17:59.600 and still be able to function and function at a high level in order to be a successful doctor

00:18:03.900 these students want to change the whole system gad no the system wants to be it needs to be kinder

00:18:09.260 well that's not how an er works you can't tell the heart attack to hold off you can't tell the stroke

00:18:14.580 victim to wait two minutes until you're done with your latte you know decisions have to be made under

00:18:18.560 high pressure circumstances and so while i'm all in favor of a kinder world this is not the way it's

00:18:24.660 not going to work for these demanding professions yeah i'll mention two two quick things number one

00:18:30.640 it actually gets worse than what you're suggesting megan because many medical schools now since we're

00:18:36.400 talking about you know future possible physicians many medical schools are removing grades and it's

00:18:43.080 turning into pass and fail the argument precisely being that it is so stressful to go to medical school

00:18:49.040 that why add the extra burden of having these students compete with each other and be graded so that

00:18:54.800 speaks exactly to your point the second one i wanted to make is one that's more psychological

00:18:59.780 what's happening with these students is something that we often see in psychology called the fundamental

00:19:05.020 attribution error which is do you attribute successes and failures internally or externally

00:19:10.640 and what most people do is that they attribute successes internally i did well on the exam because

00:19:17.700 i'm very smart and they attribute failures externally i did poorly on the exam because the professor at

00:19:24.040 nyu is an asshole and so they're succumbing exactly to that attributional style so rather than having

00:19:29.620 personal agency whereby they're well calibrated about whether it is due to their failings that they are not

00:19:35.660 doing well or not it's easy to put it on the broad shoulders of the nasty professor so it's

00:19:40.360 exactly what i would expected if you understand psychology it reminds me of kareem jean pierre who

00:19:46.020 was asked by peter ducey yesterday about the fact that gas prices are going back up and said you wanted us to

00:19:52.580 give president biden credit when the gas prices were coming down now that they're going back up should he

00:19:58.300 take responsibility and she said well it's more nuanced than that it's more nuanced the the rise is nuanced

00:20:04.700 the fall that's all on biden and um yeah these students i mean the new york times in writing up

00:20:10.520 this story says the following the entire controversy seems to illustrate a sea change in teaching from an

00:20:17.640 era when professors set the bar and expected the class to meet it to the current more supportive

00:20:23.820 student-centered approach they basically mean taking a knee to the whiners and catering to the lowest

00:20:30.320 weakest common denominator their weakness and patheticness i find abhorrent

00:20:36.800 i i i look uh to bring it out of the educational system but to speak of the same point i often get upset

00:20:46.320 if my children who both play competitive soccer uh if they're going to go to a tournament and they

00:20:53.620 get some sort of trophy or medal and they didn't win i you know i'm i'm the parent who says you know

00:20:59.500 go back and return it you didn't earn it so i despise that zeitgeist of coddling i mean yes be supportive

00:21:06.420 of your students be supportive of your children but teach them how to be tough because the world out there

00:21:12.880 is not all about hugs and kisses well it's crazy because they're they're trying to proceed as though

00:21:19.000 everyone's always going to coddle these students and as i say you can chastise you know attending

00:21:24.700 physicians all you want into being nicer and so on life is what it is medicine is a very demanding

00:21:29.840 profession it's extremely stressful i saw it very close up for many many years so is law there's like

00:21:36.420 there's so many professions where you just don't have the time to coddle someone i mean in my staff

00:21:42.800 knows i'm not a coddler if you need that go work for somebody else i you shouldn't have chosen to

00:21:47.060 work for me right like certain things you get out of being in this position but coddling is not one of

00:21:51.640 them and i just there's not enough jobs to take care of people like this all right let me switch

00:21:56.620 the issue a bit because you're very outspoken on a lot of these third rail issues one of the many

00:22:02.360 things we love about you and you're hilarious as hell you're so funny you like you don't care you

00:22:07.600 now you not only take on these issues but you're completely irreverent you know from blm and the

00:22:13.100 race stuff to the the trans stuff well listen to what happened to this other professor this is

00:22:18.820 university of southern maine okay in portland maine an associate professor of education and she's gotten

00:22:25.360 all these awards including an anti-racism anti-racism award and so on um she had the nerve to say

00:22:33.640 only two biological sexes exist now this is just a day a day ending and why for you guys you better

00:22:40.560 hope these standards don't make their way up to toronto um they uh she she said only two biological

00:22:48.060 sexes exist and the way it went down is so perfect the way she got in trouble for it there they had a

00:22:54.840 free-for-all discussion about it uh social gender and biological sex identifications one student and

00:23:00.440 this professor professor uh hammer christy hammer said they believed only male and female biological

00:23:06.000 sexes exist one student who is non-binary elizabeth who goes by they wasn't even there

00:23:14.420 but learned about it later elizabeth arrived at the next class and decided to proactively bring up the

00:23:22.760 discussion again i asked professor hammer how many sexes there were said elizabeth the professor said

00:23:29.020 two i felt under personal attack okay you t you teed it up you knew exactly what you're gonna get

00:23:35.300 now suddenly we're supposed to feel sorry for you uh elizabeth then gathered their things we have to

00:23:40.780 use the their pronoun i can't hers his pick one walked out of the class because elizabeth no longer

00:23:46.960 felt respected uh i let her know i didn't think she was qualified to teach a class about positive

00:23:53.480 learning environments it's the ultimate ultimate irony um that now elizabeth is demanding the

00:24:00.160 professor do some diversity training there was a struggle session demanded for the professor and for

00:24:05.600 the student who supported the professor and that single student was basically brow beaten into changing

00:24:11.820 her position uh and now the university is siding against this professor by allowing students to

00:24:20.700 take a different class um trying to figure out exactly what they did they said you can go you can

00:24:26.680 leave the class we're not gonna replace this professor we've developed an alternative plan

00:24:33.660 where you can go to this new section of the course for students who want to get away from this evil

00:24:39.660 professor uh or the original section taught by professor hammer will continue for any student who

00:24:44.940 just happens to find her tolerable i mean it's it's beyond parody so i i i hate to be the guy who says

00:24:53.460 to the world i warned you and i told you so but here i am to say that uh in 2017 both jordan peterson

00:25:01.880 and i appeared in front of the canadian senate and you can go watch my testimony uh in front of the

00:25:08.900 canadian senate on my youtube channel just enter my name and enter canadian senate and it'll pop up

00:25:13.540 where we were trying to argue that so there was a bill at the time that was that hadn't passed yet

00:25:19.520 bill c16 that was seeking to incorporate gender identity and gender uh expression under the rubric of

00:25:27.860 hate crimes and we were asked to come you know to speak about this matter and of course while we both

00:25:33.460 support the right of all people to live free of bigotry we we had some warnings we we had some sort of

00:25:39.620 slippery slope arguments that we were proposing in my case i won't speak for jordan i exactly predicted

00:25:45.920 the the example that you just described and i i used my own field of study to highlight the point i said

00:25:53.580 look i study evolutionary psychology i apply it in various fields including in consumer behavior

00:25:59.160 one of the things that you know defines evolutionary processes is a mechanism that darwin explained back

00:26:05.740 in 1871 called sexual selection which that that's the the evolution of traits or more you know of

00:26:12.300 of behavioral patterns that very much recognize that in a sexually reproducing species there is a male

00:26:17.900 phenotype and a female phenotype so let's say i walk into class senators and i start lecturing the area

00:26:25.060 that i'm an expert in in evolutionary behavioral sciences and so on could i be committing some kind of

00:26:32.140 hate thing under you know the bill c16 and you should have seen the way they were mocking me and and scoffing

00:26:39.660 at me really in a in a truly grotesque orgiastic manner one of the senators even said to me you know you are

00:26:46.280 promoting genocide with this language that you're you're using to which i answered you might want to be careful

00:26:52.300 of not accusing someone who escaped execution in the middle east of genocide in such a flippant manner so you can go

00:27:00.140 and watch this whole interaction but you know so this doesn't surprise me in the least bit because

00:27:04.620 you know these dreadful bad ideas hence i discussed them as idea pathogens in the parasitic mind

00:27:11.100 ultimately have consequences we could all be for transgender activism without murdering and raping truth

00:27:18.520 uh you know as a as a collateral to that noble pursuit right so i can be all for transgender rights

00:27:24.940 while also scoffing at the idea that men too can menstruate right i could chew gum and walk at the

00:27:30.480 same time i could support transgender rights without ever ceding a millimeter the truth and what's

00:27:35.780 happening with that university in maine is that they're unable to do those things in their pursuit

00:27:40.460 of coddling transgender rights all logic goes out the window it's grotesque the thing like it's a it's

00:27:47.920 become a punchline i feel attacked you know it's become a punchline and this student actually tried to

00:27:53.660 manufacture a circumstance in which elizabeth could say it elizabeth wanted to feel attacked

00:28:00.240 the whole thing was a setup to get the professor and it worked the university rather than exercising

00:28:05.340 you know its judgment using the brain cells that exist within the administration and saying you set

00:28:11.620 the professor up this is what's real you can talk about gender all day long but biological sex

00:28:17.580 there are two that's a fact that's a scientific and rather than doing that they they put the

00:28:23.300 professor through the ringer they let all these students withdraw and shame on the students who

00:28:27.080 did that and by the way back on the nyu thing gad you tell me but i think all those 82 students i

00:28:32.200 want somebody to leak their names i hope somebody at nyu makes their names public so that we can make

00:28:36.480 sure that we never go to them if they wind up becoming doctors i'm not going to those losers i don't

00:28:41.920 want that i only want a gen x doctor i don't want a gen z doctor i want somebody who had to go

00:28:46.020 through it the way my first husband did not these little daisies who couldn't withstand one hard

00:28:52.400 class yeah uh you are a honey badger madam uh it's definitely the case i mean i'm i'm not sure from an

00:29:00.800 ethical perspective i mean i guess it varies across different universities i don't know if it would be

00:29:05.920 a good idea to necessarily uh you know shame them and name them but i i get i get i certainly get

00:29:11.240 your instinct you want to be able to weed out the the the whinies from the the people who are able

00:29:17.220 who are going to be able to withstand the pressure so i i get the instinct there might be some ethical

00:29:22.200 issues to consider but but i hear you not as a journalist there might be an ethical issue for

00:29:27.260 those who choose to release it but as a journalist i'd have absolute no qualms in telling people who

00:29:33.140 these whiners are if you're if you are that whiny in your organic chemistry class you deserve to be

00:29:38.240 publicly shamed and then let us make the decision about whether you should be our doctor um i'm sure

00:29:43.640 there's going to be nyu med school trying to give them you know a leg up to getting into that school

00:29:47.820 too i i don't even know where to go like you got to go i don't know there's not even a med school now

00:29:52.680 that that i could think of there's not like a liberty version of med school or a um hillsdale version

00:29:59.660 of med school i don't think i have to look into it in any event all right stand by because when we come

00:30:03.840 back we've got to show you the video of the day with gad last time he was here we showed you a video

00:30:07.840 of him hiding under his desk and he's done another one and it's just as good um you don't want to miss

00:30:14.420 it stand by that's next

00:30:15.520 gad where are you where are you sweetie i can't find you

00:30:22.240 shh be quiet oh oh be quiet they're coming for you why the roe versus wade has been overturned

00:30:33.820 and what now is going to happen is women are no longer safe in the united states why aren't you

00:30:38.740 hiding under the desk with me come under the desk come on i hear them coming okay bye ciao

00:30:42.780 i am hilarious you are hilarious this is what i mean it's not just that you touch the third rails

00:30:53.440 you've got the big middle finger up at the third rail topics and the conventional wisdom on how we need

00:30:59.140 to talk about them it's not very sensitive of you gad did you missed i thought you were going to

00:31:06.020 actually show my most recent hiding under the desk you need to go and watch it you need to catch up

00:31:12.480 it was when meloni became a prime minister of italy and all the super smart progressives said that

00:31:22.000 she's indistinguishable from a melange of hitler and mussolini so i did a clip where i hid under the

00:31:29.240 desk but i did the whole clip in italian because i now want to blend in because she's going to take

00:31:35.060 over canada and so she doesn't send me to the gulags i i did the whole thing in italian you need to go

00:31:40.620 watch it oh my that's very impressive parli italiano franco baresi la capitano della squadra

00:31:46.960 azzura una giocatore multi-peligoroso i caught about every other word of that that's impressive

00:31:53.760 all right i need to see that yes christina maloney is the new uh mussolini just ask politico or the

00:31:59.840 ap or axios or anybody who's written about her um yeah so you you touch it all and you're unafraid

00:32:06.360 and what one of these days i think your prime minister justin trudeau is going to find you

00:32:11.500 under that desk at because he's gone a different way he doesn't he doesn't really share your view of

00:32:16.640 being pc or non-pc and we used to make fun of him on this show for trying to say

00:32:22.300 the lgbt and he can't he couldn't get it out um actually let's just play that before we show you

00:32:28.340 his new way of approaching the issue where he couldn't quite say it it's up sound bite one

00:32:33.040 i will never apologize for standing up for an lgdp lgd lbg lgbtq2 plus uh kids rights

00:32:46.900 it's one of our favorites so he's decided to give it another shot and and apparently he does get it

00:32:54.820 out okay but it's expanded because lgbtq is never enough you got to add more more more more more

00:33:00.040 letters if you want to be super super super woke and here's the latest listen since day one our

00:33:06.980 government has been committed to protecting the rights of two-spirit lesbian gay bisexual transgender

00:33:12.820 queer intersex and additional sexuality and gender diverse people that's why i'm so excited

00:33:19.680 today to announce a historic first the launch of canada's first ever 2s lgbtqi plus action plan

00:33:29.660 oh my god gad i i mean i i'll read it again two-spirit that is not a thing okay first of all

00:33:41.340 that's not a thing lesbian gay bisexual transgender queer intersex again queer like what is it that's

00:33:47.660 all-encompassing they don't get a letter uh intersex all right i guess that is a thing

00:33:52.580 and additional sexuality and gender diverse people gender diverse people isn't what like what's gender

00:33:58.560 diverse other than lgbtq right like isn't it already what's why additional sexuality how does that get in

00:34:03.940 there 2s lgbtq one plus action i can't you know as i watch it and i've seen those clips a million times

00:34:13.420 and regrettably i live in the hotbed of trudeau land i live in canada uh he exudes nothing but

00:34:20.820 inauthenticity falsity cowardice it's just it's it amazes me that canadians could be so parasitized

00:34:29.500 that they actually have now voted for him three times now of course we have a parliamentary system

00:34:33.920 whereby to say that he won three times turns out to be that he he won roughly 30 percent of uh the pop

00:34:41.540 you know because of the parliamentary system with only 30 percent of you know winning the

00:34:45.860 writings you can be the majority uh party so it just amazes me that what you and i see so clearly

00:34:53.340 with our eyes and ears so many people are hoodwinked now many people have written to me over the past

00:34:59.700 seven years since he's been in office to say you know you were right along about him but what i always

00:35:05.280 wonder is what is it that originally you couldn't see about him that megan kelly could see or i could see

00:35:11.520 i remember when you i don't know if it was when i came on your show or when you came on mine

00:35:14.780 where you said something to the effect of you know you don't want this guy in the bedroom he

00:35:20.260 couldn't you know he couldn't get the the job done that's what he exudes to me falsity weakness

00:35:26.320 effeminate cowardly so it really is one of those great mysteries as to why people uh still like him

00:35:32.700 i know you you just know like if the future of the human race depends upon men like that

00:35:37.980 procreating we don't have long it's not it's not going to end well it's almost over we need more

00:35:42.800 it won't be climate change it will be true to a coupling that will end the human race

00:35:46.760 it's true because you first approach him and you're like oh he's an attractive oh my god no

00:35:52.740 all right so let's get into you i want to talk about gadsad and i want to talk about

00:35:57.800 things like evolutionary psychology you were saying you want to talk about evolutionary consumption

00:36:03.040 this is your area of expertise but i'm sure our audience is like what the hell is it so what the

00:36:08.140 hell is it right well thank you for asking that uh so evolutionary psychology is basically the

00:36:13.420 application of the evolutionary lens to the study of the human mind so in the same way that we can use

00:36:19.600 evolution to explain why our liver works the way that it does or why we have opposable thumbs we can

00:36:25.320 apply the framework of evolution to say why do we experience romantic jealousy why are we drawn

00:36:30.860 to porn consumption what is it that makes women dress differently as a function of where they are

00:36:36.520 in their ovulatory cycle i think we discussed this last time i was on your show so evolutionary psychology

00:36:41.420 basically has a few important tenets and it might be worth for me to kind of drill down on them

00:36:45.660 number one evolutionary psychologists recognize that we are not born with empty minds meaning tabula rasa

00:36:52.080 there are biological imperatives that we're born into the world with so for example young children

00:36:58.160 who are too young to have been socialized to prefer you know beautiful faces already are attracted more

00:37:05.040 to facially symmetric features so that's a built-in mechanism that no socialization caused it you're

00:37:12.100 already coming into the world equipped with that pension so number one evolutionary psychologists

00:37:17.880 recognize that we are not born tabula rasa minds number two evolutionary psychologists argue that the human

00:37:24.180 mind is made up sorry i'm going to say some a mouthful here and then i'll explain it

00:37:28.160 that the human mind is made up of domain specific computational systems meaning that in the same way

00:37:34.400 that the liver solves a different problem than the heart well the human mind is made up of an

00:37:40.900 amalgamation of systems each of which evolved to solve a specific evolutionary problem find mate

00:37:47.720 retain mate avoid predators build coalitions invest in kin seek caloric foods so each of those

00:37:56.260 most evolutionarily important systems would have necessitated the evolution of a specific computational

00:38:01.840 system in your mind so that's why when we talk about evolutionary psychology we talk about the swiss army

00:38:07.700 knife metaphor right because the swiss army knife is made up of many different blades and each blade

00:38:13.820 solves a specific function that can't be transferred to something else if you want to use the blade to pull

00:38:19.420 out the cork of the wine bottle you can't use that to cut warm butter you use a different blade for that

00:38:24.660 so that's the another important tenet of evolutionary psychology now what i do in my work is i take

00:38:30.760 the framework of evolutionary psychology and evolutionary biology and then i say can i identify

00:38:36.920 the vestiges of that evolutionary process in the modern world in our consumatory behavior so if we're

00:38:44.460 attracted to certain song lyrics or if we uh if our hormones change as a function of buying this product

00:38:51.260 or that product i did for example a study which i don't think i talked about last time i was on your

00:38:55.380 show where i showed that if you put young men in an actual porsche and you have them drive around

00:39:01.000 or you put them in a beaten up old car their their testosterone levels literally track that jump

00:39:08.540 in status put me in a in a porsche and my endocrinological system you know blows up put me in

00:39:14.180 another in a you know low status car and then the same the opposite thing will happen and so what i

00:39:19.740 basically do is i marry evolutionary biology evolutionary psychology with consumer behavior

00:39:25.060 and hence the field of evolutionary consumption so this is reminding me of the low birth count

00:39:30.880 that we're facing now in our country maybe in canada too and there's been you know an alarm

00:39:36.220 sounded that we're just not having babies the way we used to in the future of humanity kind of depends

00:39:40.320 on it uh and i'm tying it together now based on what you said with a discussion we had on the show

00:39:45.280 earlier this week about olivia wilde's new movie which is a man bashing film and how it's all in

00:39:51.060 vogue now to bash men she she decided jordan peterson would be the villain of her new film

00:39:56.300 why because jordan peterson appeals to a lot of these young disaffected men who've been told over and over

00:40:01.620 again that they're worthless that they're second class citizens that they're terrible they're toxic

00:40:05.560 and men the studies show don't reach out for mental health assistance they just don't do it

00:40:10.420 so they go to somebody like jordan peterson they listen to his videos or so on next thing you know

00:40:14.580 they're featured in an olivia wilde film and they're getting called demons by this woman okay

00:40:18.600 all of this is being relegated to a low status car men have been put in a low status car by women

00:40:26.780 like olivia wilde now by our society for quite some time and it's having an actual palpable effect

00:40:33.940 in relationships in reproduction right i mean low sperm count all this it seems related oh 100 so

00:40:41.520 first let me mention your your point about olivia wilde versus jordan peterson i when i first heard

00:40:48.100 of it i right away released a clip uh you know on my channel uh where i was uh you know chastising her

00:40:54.600 for you know for being so obnoxious because i mean jordan peterson is a as you may know is a very

00:40:59.620 good friend of mine and he's none of the things that she says and and you know being the person

00:41:04.400 that i am i see that i just get pissed off i'm not someone who walks away and so i i just can't

00:41:09.520 believe that someone like her could arrive to such a position about jordan the only thing i can think of

00:41:14.440 is that she's never read a single thing he's ever written or watched a single clip that he's ever

00:41:20.020 posted because he's none of the things that she she argues but to your greater point about you know uh

00:41:26.620 how we're bashing men look there is a natural dynamic between men and women uh we're not talking

00:41:32.480 hashtag me too moments but you know men do chase women men men do seduce women that you know you

00:41:39.220 sometimes have to be a bit persistent before the the lady says you know what you seem charming enough

00:41:44.580 now i'll go out with you i mean the entire country of italy would be outlawed if you know if every time

00:41:50.420 you approach a woman and give her a compliment that's a form of verbal rape we need to outlaw

00:41:55.600 all of italy because we know that the italians are stereotypically famous seducers so so the idea

00:42:01.460 that you know anything that a man does even approaching a woman and complimenting her if

00:42:06.820 she doesn't want that compliment becomes a form of sexual violence by the way i'm not being hyperbolic

00:42:13.800 i just before i i left to i i went to do a show in new york city a few days ago prior to leaving to

00:42:20.460 new york i had to redo my mandatory sexual training mandated by my university because until they taught

00:42:30.220 me how to speak to woman i didn't know how to you know navigate the world so imagine how offensive it is

00:42:37.200 that i'm i'm now 57 years old i've been a professor for almost 30 years i can't remain a professor

00:42:43.920 i'm a tenured professor i was a chair professor a full professor i have to take a you know a training

00:42:50.920 that tells me things like if you see a student complimenting another student and they're you know

00:42:57.560 the the student who receives the compliment is you know it feels uncomfortable by it is that a form of

00:43:04.740 sexual violence yes or no now of course i have to say yes otherwise i can't go on to the next slide

00:43:10.660 so that's the kind of world that we are creating and not surprisingly a lot of men are feeling

00:43:16.160 disenfranchised thrown to the curb and it it doesn't help society in trying to elevate women

00:43:22.740 we pathologize the other half of our human species called men it's a suboptimal strategy

00:43:28.620 let's just spend a minute on olivia wilde and jordan peterson since you do know him and uh i'd

00:43:34.700 forgotten that actually because you're canadian he's canadian you're both professors in canada for a

00:43:39.080 long long time and and fighting similar fights so naturally you would be drawn together she actually

00:43:44.720 had the nerve to call him a pseudo intellectual she olivia wilde who uh she didn't go to college

00:43:51.640 which is fine a lot of smart people don't go to college but jordan peterson um she he taught at harvard

00:43:58.240 uh taught at uh university of toronto um he's lectured all over the world he's a very accomplished

00:44:06.100 uh academic who's published quite a few papers right so like the nerve of some hollywood twit

00:44:13.180 who's done literally nothing other than act in front of the camera and try to be beloved and now

00:44:19.360 is doing a stint behind it to look at someone as accomplished as he is and say you're a pseudo

00:44:24.880 intellectual and try to demonize him uh as you point out could only come from well a ignorance

00:44:30.580 not just of who he is but also from of all of his work right this is she hasn't listened to anything

00:44:36.240 he said or written or read anything he's written it it so and if i may share a personal story about

00:44:42.860 jordan i was walking with a good friend of mine i i won't mention any more details about him but he's

00:44:47.740 also a psychologist and he was telling he knows that jordan and i are good friends and he said you

00:44:52.520 know i had a very strange interaction with a colleague of mine she's a very nice lovely woman very

00:44:57.840 you know has a lot of empathy she's very compassionate and we were chatting and the

00:45:01.600 topic of jordan peterson came up and she was telling me this is him telling me the story

00:45:05.360 she was telling him that she's developing this kind of murderous rage towards jordan even though she

00:45:12.700 doesn't know him and she hates herself for it because she somehow thinks that you know she's a

00:45:17.720 very compassionate person that would have otherwise not been capable of you know feeling such feelings

00:45:23.460 and yet she can't explain why she hates him so badly and then i asked him well did you did you

00:45:28.120 try to you know probe her as to why she hates she said well he's just such a menace and a danger to

00:45:34.600 society that that's the only way that she can justify why she has murderous rage towards him i know the

00:45:41.200 guy i've had dinner with the guy we've we've been friends for many years he's none of those things so

00:45:46.320 it shows you what happens to a person i hate to plug the book again where they're parasitized by

00:45:51.800 idiocy even intelligent people can become babbling fools well to what extent i'd be remiss if i didn't

00:45:58.480 ask you are trump's characteristics which are traditionally masculine i don't know what other

00:46:04.620 way how else to call them um how else to describe them to what extent do you think that's playing

00:46:09.800 in the reaction that the elusive suburban republican women had to him look i i talk about this point

00:46:19.040 and i'm i'm trying to look i'm this is a prop that i'm going to bring into our show maybe the

00:46:23.640 first prop you've ever had on show it's a memory stick but let's for a moment assume that it were

00:46:27.660 a uh a cork of a wine bottle there's an expression in arabic that says getting drunk simply by smelling

00:46:35.720 the the cork of the wine bottle meaning that you are of such weak constituency that you don't even need

00:46:41.400 to drink the wine to get drunk now how am i going to relate this to your trump question people

00:46:46.520 judge trump or say obama not on central cues here are my views on his monetary or fiscal policy

00:46:55.020 rather obama look i'm gonna get drunk now i'm gonna get drunk on the obama cork obama is lanky he has a

00:47:02.680 radiant smile he has a mellifluous voice therefore i love him he's the prophet obama uh trump on the

00:47:08.740 other hand look he's disgusting he's cantankerous he speaks like an eighth grader from queens

00:47:15.180 he's he's grotesque right that's exactly why our super smart friends hate trump and love obama

00:47:22.240 so so basically it's it's the it's it's their emotional system that's heart hijacking their

00:47:29.200 cognitive system rather than being able to have a conversation whereby they justify why they love

00:47:34.760 or hate trump it's a it's a visceral feeling it's an emotional system i just despise him he's disgusting

00:47:41.820 he's an aesthetic injury and that's not the way that you should be choosing presidents

00:47:45.620 and it can work the other way too it can work to trump's advantage maybe they smell the cork

00:47:50.900 you know some men and and they smell something lovely there's another saying in arabic that you

00:47:55.880 used about dr fauci that i want to ask you this is like a foreign language so now we've gotten into

00:47:59.600 italian arabic um and dr fauci's back in the news today he just gave an interview which once again i mean

00:48:06.720 it's classic fauci i'm going to ask you about it and ask you for your arabic saying about dr fauci

00:48:11.240 when we come back right after this gad sad is staying with us for the whole show today lucky us

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00:48:57.420 so before we move off of your area of expertise in particular gad can we talk about a couple of

00:49:07.160 stories in the news because i just wonder today there are two stories of two superstar couples

00:49:14.520 kind of three if you if you think about it but anyway the first two and this is i don't i wonder

00:49:20.500 if you have any thoughts on it the first is tom brady and giselle who have now reportedly hired divorce

00:49:25.600 lawyers respectively they are reporting this is of course not confirmed but the new york post and

00:49:31.180 others are reporting that um it stemmed from at least one massive argument they had over his refusal

00:49:37.940 to stay retired and she commented publicly that she felt she had been on more in a subservient role

00:49:44.960 uh took herself off the professional front lines she's obviously the world's most successful

00:49:49.720 supermodel for you know most of her young 20s um and she felt she felt she used the term it's my turn

00:49:57.820 and that he reversed his decision it's going back into football and so on so now these two are getting

00:50:02.420 a divorce according to the papers and i wonder it's no accident they found each other two of the most

00:50:07.360 beautiful people on earth two of the biggest careers on earth and i think some would say it's no

00:50:13.100 accident it's going to end because two careers that big and two personalities that big it's tough

00:50:20.520 it's tough for them to stay stay together long term what do you make of it of course i'm entering

00:50:26.700 complete speculation land but you know statistically speaking that seems to be an unlikely reason that

00:50:33.800 they would have broken up i i think the number the top two reasons why people break up is usually

00:50:38.660 because of financial uh you know conflict or infidelity now infidelity is a much more of a of a

00:50:45.920 death blow if a woman cheats on a man then vice versa not because of the patriarchy but because

00:50:51.840 when a woman cheats on a guy it triggers paternity uncertainty from an evolutionary perspective

00:50:57.400 whereas uh when when a when a man cheats on a woman it's not quite the same thing that's why by the

00:51:03.740 way if i can just go back to evolutionary psychology women get more triggered and more angry and more

00:51:10.700 jealous by emotional infidelity rather than sexual infidelity that doesn't mean that they're happy

00:51:15.720 if uh their their man sleeps around with other women but if he develops a platonic emotional bond with

00:51:22.540 his co-worker she laughs at his jokes she understands his life goals and they're always chatting with each

00:51:28.640 other and texting but they've never had sex that might actually be a greater precursor of them

00:51:34.260 splitting because emotional infidelity is the greatest threat to a woman's uh interest so my

00:51:39.960 feeling is that it's not because it's i'm sorry say again i can see that i can see it's like i'm

00:51:44.880 thinking about my own husband i'd much rather he have a one-night stand with a woman than sit and cry

00:51:49.120 with her there you go and so uh i think that probably there is something else happening maybe

00:51:57.500 uh you know he cheated on her she cheated on it's certainly not financial issues that that's causing

00:52:02.260 the rift so my feeling is it's not what they're saying but there's no other way that i could

00:52:07.520 speculate as to what's the real cause that's interesting i don't know there's the and just

00:52:10.640 so the audience knows what we're talking about the other big story is angelina and brad pitt back in

00:52:15.140 the news there was this 2016 plane ride and now she's adding details to what she said was

00:52:19.260 previously said was an abusive plane ride in which he got very very drunk and allegedly hurt her now

00:52:24.020 he's claiming that he she's claiming he allegedly choked one of their children on board this flight

00:52:28.780 um these two are in a very very ugly ongoing marital wrap-up dispute um it just never ends and it's

00:52:37.580 to me god it's a reminder that you know we look at these the lifestyles of the rich and famous and

00:52:40.880 think they must be better than ours and they're not they're not by a long shot

00:52:44.680 you've kind of set me up i don't want to talk too much about the next book because i want people

00:52:49.500 to sort of be excited to to you know hopefully can we pre-order it not yet i think okay so you

00:52:55.420 really shouldn't talk too much about it i i won't but what i'll say one thing because i've said it in

00:53:00.000 the past publicly uh one of the things that i talk about is that uh choosing the right spouse to to the

00:53:07.140 extent that you can actually use particular strategies to ensure that they are the right spouse

00:53:11.960 choosing the right spouse and the right profession is either going to impart great happiness to you

00:53:17.180 or great uh misery i i don't want to speak for you because i but although i know that you're in a very

00:53:22.420 happy marriage with your husband doug but i can speak for myself uh one of the reasons why i'm able

00:53:28.060 to take on the world the way that i do is that i know that when i come home i have a a a place of

00:53:34.920 solace that is very much driven by the love that my wife and i have for each other and so if you wish to

00:53:41.060 be happy make sure to buy to marry the right person and certainly celebrities are no better

00:53:45.980 than the rest of us at choosing the right spouse i i think it's almost a danger you know people who

00:53:51.640 are drawn to that life the hollywood lifestyle not all of them but a lot of them have a big hole

00:53:56.280 inside that they're trying to fill and then they find out the hard way that becoming a star becoming

00:54:00.960 rich doesn't fill it and so you know they they they kind of look for love in all the wrong places

00:54:07.680 what i'm saying and then and then if you're unhappy and you don't deal with it you try to put a band-aid

00:54:11.720 on it by earning more money or becoming a big star you're you're headed to it for a big crash and burn

00:54:17.480 so i feel like they have a higher divorce rate than than gen pop and um i would probably agree with you

00:54:23.600 yes yeah okay so that's uh marriage advice from gadsad and megan kelly uh don't marry a hollywood

00:54:29.580 person and um don't cheat and if you're a man if you feel you must cheat please make it a one

00:54:34.560 night sexual stand instead of laughing and crying with another woman are you hearing wife megan kelly

00:54:39.920 said it's okay was that your wife in the video we saw of you it is the one yeah okay so i love that

00:54:47.980 you work together um now you recently had covid have you had covid once or twice i once you know it's

00:54:56.080 funny uh literally i think it was three days before covid hit the sad shore uh while i was

00:55:04.060 driving with my entire family i think we'd gone to get some peruvian chicken and i very arrogantly

00:55:09.760 and presumptuously uh said to my wife you know what i think we must have the genetic mutation that

00:55:15.960 we're we're completely impervious to covid because here we are you know year three we've traveled we've

00:55:22.820 done it all i mean we weren't uh careless but uh you know it doesn't seem like it it's ever going to

00:55:27.640 affect us well you know the old story tell god your plans so he can laugh or whatever the expression is

00:55:32.500 well apparently god must have been listening because three days later my son said you know i don't feel

00:55:37.280 so well then he took the test he got covid then i got it next and then my wife got it and then my

00:55:43.880 daughter got it so we've all now had it for the first time so one of the annoying things about

00:55:48.480 getting covid and i know you you say you had four shots and you still got covid um i too three shots

00:55:54.000 still got covid uh but one of the annoying things about getting covid is that it's not we put so much

00:55:59.940 time and effort into the vaccines the vaccines the vaccines by this point there should just be a pill

00:56:04.220 you take covid here's your pill or you get covid here's your pill you're cured like all the money

00:56:09.900 all the energy that went into these vaccines which aren't doing anywhere near what they were promised

00:56:13.960 to do uh could have been spent elsewhere and we wouldn't have to suffer uh through covid and there

00:56:19.300 there could be no death toll of covid if we had their effective medication but we don't

00:56:23.680 so i would love to see more questions of anthony fauci along those lines but very few reporters

00:56:29.060 get access to him and um those who do don't go there now i will credit dan diamond of the washington

00:56:35.440 post who just did an interview with fauci and asked him about one of the subjects nobody wants to

00:56:40.680 talk about which is why the hell fauci just gave peter dasik at eco health alliance another

00:56:46.460 600 000 plus grant and really it's 3.3 million dollar grant but it has to be renewed each year

00:56:52.340 so right now it's over 600 000 this is the group this is the group that did gain of function research

00:56:58.880 in wuhan china with the so-called bat lady peter dasik's the one who did it and then crazily

00:57:04.360 the the who put him on their commission to investigate the origins of covid was it from a lab

00:57:11.160 hmm do you think we're gonna get an honest answer from peter dasik or was it from a market um do we

00:57:17.580 have that soundbite we pulled it from the 60 minutes piece um do we have a team yeah okay well watch just

00:57:23.500 to refresh your memory here's a little bit of what happened when peter dasik got featured

00:57:27.000 on a 60 minute piece a year plus ago i'm on the who team for a reason and you know if you're going

00:57:35.860 to work in china on coronaviruses and try and understand their origins you should involve the

00:57:41.980 people who know the most about that and for better or for worse i do he says the team did look into the

00:57:49.360 leak theory during a visit with lab scientists and deemed it extremely unlikely we met with them

00:57:56.840 we said do you audit the lab and they said annually did you audit it after the outbreak yes was

00:58:02.840 anything found no do you test your staff yes no you're just taking their word for it well what else

00:58:09.400 can we do there's a limit to what you can do and we went right up to that limit we asked them tough

00:58:14.000 questions they weren't vetted in advance and the answers they gave we found to be believable

00:58:20.600 um correct and convincing but weren't the chinese engaged in a cover-up they destroyed evidence they

00:58:28.820 punished scientists who were trying to give evidence on this very question of the origin

00:58:33.740 well that wasn't our task to find out if china had covered up the origin i know i'm just saying

00:58:39.520 doesn't that make you wonder we didn't see any evidence of any false reporting or cover-up

00:58:45.940 in the work that we did in china what a shock he investigated himself and found no wrongdoing gad

00:58:53.960 now we've just given him more money and dan diamond asked fauci about it okay here was his response as

00:58:59.560 to why he did it well you can't arbitrarily decide i just don't want to fund eco health because people

00:59:07.260 don't like them he added um saying that he has an open mind about the possibility of a lab leak but

00:59:14.200 believes that there is far more evidence that the virus was a natural occurrence a narrative he's

00:59:19.080 been pushing from the beginning and was first transmitted to a human from an animal again gad

00:59:23.080 even though they've tested 80 000 animals and have yet to find one that's got this uh this strain so

00:59:30.180 fauci continues on and on when asked if he's become a polarizing figure he says well when i say i should

00:59:38.340 get vaccinated but that we should get vaccinated because it saves lives and someone says no

00:59:42.560 am i the polarizing figure or is it the person who's saying something that's completely untrue

00:59:47.340 who's creating the polarization he'll never he'll never admit the truth he'll never come clean and he

00:59:52.540 will continue funding this kind of research until i don't know house republicans make him stop i don't

00:59:56.840 know right uh so a couple of things number one one of the most difficult things to make a human do

01:00:04.880 is to admit that they are wrong or to alter their opinion on something as a matter of fact there's a

01:00:11.360 great book a somewhat academic book that basically argues that our uh ability to reason did not evolve

01:00:18.700 to seek truth but rather to win arguments right i mean it's a it's a compelling uh theory because it

01:00:25.440 basically speaks to to fauci's weaknesses right i mean he's simple there is no amount of evidence that

01:00:32.340 might come that might allow him to exhibit some epistemic humility if you if we just uh backtrack

01:00:40.200 to when you asked me about uh tom and giselle if you remember i began by saying well we're going to

01:00:46.960 enter into speculative land there right why did i say that because as a actual scientist who has

01:00:54.440 epistemic humility i know what i know and i know what i don't know i mean as a matter of fact that's what

01:01:00.320 confucius says is true wisdom right many many thousands of years ago so the problem with fauci

01:01:05.840 is that he's never exhibited that kind of epistemic humility he's always come in with the full assuredness

01:01:12.880 of his white lab coat his god complex and that has let us down some very you know dark policy making

01:01:20.020 decisions and so i think you you alluded before we went on the break that there is a expression in

01:01:25.580 arabic that i've introduced on a another show i can maybe mention it here there's the arabic expression

01:01:30.920 is which basically means his smell is coming out which it it what it's what it what it's supposed

01:01:38.960 to capture is when someone overstays their welcome right so for example if you invite some people to

01:01:45.620 to dinner at your house and you know it's expected that probably by about 10 o'clock people start

01:01:51.040 leaving because you have young children so on and if you start giving them all sorts of cues that maybe

01:01:55.900 it's time to pack it in and now it's 12 30 and they're still there in arabic you would say

01:02:01.200 his smell is coming out well there is nobody in the world who has ever exuded more of a metaphorical

01:02:09.280 pungent smell than fauci the guy has been in office since baruch spinosa was a philosopher in the 16th

01:02:16.100 century so maybe it's time for you to leave man yes take a cue for the love of god we talked about

01:02:22.760 this before but john stossel my friend if you eat dinner at his house and it's 10 o'clock he will

01:02:27.080 literally stand up and just excuse himself like he'll leave he'll leave you you'll still be sitting

01:02:32.120 at his table he's upstairs in bed you're like i guess it's over it's i guess it's over so now that's

01:02:37.500 become the stossel and doug and i use it liberally um one of the other things i've i've seen you talking

01:02:43.380 about that i want to get to as well as what's happening in iran uh this is pretty extraordinary

01:02:47.980 i mean this country i went back and looked because i remember this happened as recently as 2020 the

01:02:53.620 un human rights council was praising iran for its human rights for the great strides it had been

01:03:00.000 making in particular when it came to treating their most vulnerable communities like you've got to be

01:03:05.940 kidding me right this is a country that we're pretending we can negotiate a deal with on on nukes and

01:03:10.800 that they will honor it there's an honorable you know regime that's going to live up to whatever

01:03:15.140 promises we extract from them you know trump walked away from it but biden's trying to bring it back

01:03:19.280 so there's a situation over there right now where a young girl as of august they started to really

01:03:25.520 crack down in more authoritarian ways on the hijab and the way women dress and so on and a young woman

01:03:32.840 didn't wear it and she was spotted uh without the hijab and she was arrested and she was very badly

01:03:40.760 beaten and went into um the the hospital and died and now the iranian authorities are denying that she

01:03:49.540 was beaten but it's very clear that she was and this is spreading young women young women extraordinary

01:03:55.200 are starting to protest in iran i mean it's like they're they're still cutting people's heads off

01:04:00.980 that's still an acceptable form of capital punishment there um and so i wonder what your

01:04:06.820 thoughts are on it because um and after the death of this young woman i'm sorry i'm just trying to

01:04:11.780 remember her last name i know it's a i think masa amini amini yeah okay i think um has really sparked

01:04:20.160 something that's kind of exciting for those of us in the west but also seems ultimately futile because

01:04:25.420 everything there is yeah well look uh i've said before and it's worth repeating here that the

01:04:33.760 most dangerous force in nature to from a man's psychology is female sexuality right people are

01:04:43.080 not afraid of tanks or men are not afraid of tanks or other men with big muscles what men are most

01:04:49.120 afraid of a kind of in a diabolical sense is the empowerment of female sexuality so in all of

01:04:55.320 these regimes the way that you maintain control is by controlling female sexual emancipation and

01:05:01.900 one of the ways that you do that is by forcing them to you know to wear certain sartorial guidelines

01:05:07.380 right you have to wear the hijab you have in some cases it's the niqab in some cases the burqa

01:05:11.580 and so it amazes me megan that you know the western intelligentsia and the western feminists

01:05:17.100 actually have argued this is not gatsat satire i'm actually literally repeating what they say

01:05:22.740 that the niqab and the burqa and the hijab are actually symbols of feminist empowerment

01:05:30.400 because it liberates women from the male gaze right remember we used to hear about the male gaze with

01:05:38.060 second wave uh feminism right so by removing and erasing the identity of women by hiding them under

01:05:45.540 a burqa well then you are protecting them from the male gaze uh and of course as someone who comes

01:05:51.460 from the middle east i know every single justification that has been produced whether

01:05:56.560 it be culturally or religiously to justify why women should be you know cloaked in all these

01:06:02.420 different uh you know sartorial guidelines one of which is you know a woman is like a jewel and

01:06:08.860 therefore don't you want a jewel to be covered up so that nobody can steal her in alluding to the

01:06:14.200 fact that if you don't wear the hijab then men won't be able to control themselves and then if

01:06:18.120 they rape you well it was your fault because you showed your hair look i've been warning against

01:06:22.960 this for probably 20 years montreal used to be where i live used to be a city where for the first

01:06:29.260 25 years that i lived here i saw a hijab once today if i walk out of my house out of the first 20 women

01:06:36.840 that i cross paths with 10 of them are wearing hijabs now some people will say well it's nothing it's

01:06:42.600 just an innocent uh cloth piece why are you getting so triggered no that the symbolism of that cloth

01:06:50.440 is actually something very powerful and this is why i stand with the incredibly courageous women of

01:06:55.220 iran because they they are the true feminists not the whiners at oberland college yes that that's

01:07:01.840 exactly right here's a picture of the young school girls with their with their fists in the air holding up

01:07:06.660 the finger um just this is an incredible act of defiance we also have uh some sound of them

01:07:12.160 chanting uh out in the street uh seven or eight both are powerful watch this

01:07:17.780 they're pushing back an iranian official who showed up at their school where they took off

01:07:29.880 their hijabs these girls are amazing look at them all these young girls pushing back this iranian man

01:07:38.060 who wants them to scarf it up throwing water at him

01:07:44.260 oh my god

01:07:59.880 good for them gad it's it's encouraging right you want to stand up and cheer like go girls

01:08:04.760 but what are we going to do right there there's pressure on our administration to say like

01:08:09.360 you know they they issued some statement like oh it's appalling what happened to this young girl

01:08:14.180 oh that's well that's going to make a big difference what about just the the you know pulling this

01:08:18.900 negotiation which is a fail already it's not going anywhere it hasn't been just fail like so pull it

01:08:24.740 do something at least symbolic in support of girls who are actually being murdered by the patriarchy

01:08:31.320 unlike women over here who get pissed off that you know online can be a negative experience sometimes

01:08:36.940 well yeah i mean but never mind of course the administration that the governments can certainly

01:08:42.720 help the the revolution progress but you know i'll speak about my ecosystem which is academia where are all

01:08:50.160 my fellow academics who are so progressive and such feminists why don't i see them on social media

01:08:57.400 supporting this cause right i mean it's it behooves one and how could one explain such cowardice such

01:09:04.800 hypocrisy right uh just last week megan i had arguably the the face of sort of the the revolution in the west

01:09:12.600 her name is masih alinejad masih in arabic uh it means the christ i mean literally christ so she came

01:09:20.960 on my show and uh subsequent to my show she went on bill mar the only reason i'm plugging her now is

01:09:25.520 because you should you know think about following her social media account because she receives all of

01:09:32.460 these clips from these unbelievably heroic girls and what they're doing in in uh in iran and again let

01:09:39.120 me contextualize imagine the average person in the west who gets afraid and gets you know into all

01:09:45.940 sorts of panicky you know thumb sucking fetal position because you know two blue-haired people

01:09:51.560 who are super woke might get offended how should we contextualize this in comparison to these young

01:09:58.320 15 16 17 year old girls who are doing what they're doing on the imminent threat of being killed raped

01:10:05.340 beaten that's true courage that's what being a honey badger is and i'm i'm so moved by them and i'm so

01:10:12.160 invigorated by them i hope that westerners can can appreciate the kind of courage that it takes to

01:10:17.460 to do what they're doing right now it's unbelievable i can't help but notice the difference between

01:10:22.100 these young women who could literally be killed for not putting on that headscarf and these students we

01:10:29.780 began the show with at myu who claim that they've been subjected to unfair awful treatment because

01:10:36.760 their organic chemistry class is too hard or they want the other professor fired in maine because she

01:10:43.540 said there are two sexes like you want to smack them across their snotty little faces and say grow up

01:10:50.940 there are people in this world with real problems if you've run out of them direct your eyes overseas

01:10:57.180 okay if your life is so small that you literally have to focus on things like how many genders could

01:11:03.500 there be lgbtq five letters beyond it oh you didn't say it right i feel dehumanized i feel attacked

01:11:09.960 right look overseas do some homework study some history put things in context try to realize what

01:11:15.300 what a real problem looks like gad it's so frustrating to me this is quite a moment well i i think i mean not

01:11:22.920 withstanding the fact that you're obviously very outspoken critic of a lot of this nonsense

01:11:26.800 many of the people who are at the forefront of fighting for you know the western foundational

01:11:32.540 values it's no coincidence that many of us who are at the forefront come from those societies are

01:11:39.020 immigrants because we've sampled from the buffet of all possible societies we know that the western

01:11:45.860 tradition is an anomalous tradition it's it's not the one that has defined human history and therefore

01:11:52.380 when we come to the west and we see the system that's developed here in comparison to the one

01:11:57.320 that we escaped from we become the most vociferous defenders of the west so whether it be ian hersey

01:12:03.880 ali or uh you know other other folks who are immigrants that's really the reason why we are the ones who

01:12:11.120 are you know most perplexed by the western apathy and cowardice because i think most westerners wake up and think

01:12:17.660 that's the default system throughout the world throughout recorded history no it isn't it's an

01:12:22.700 outlier and if you don't defend it you will lose it maybe slowly but you will lose it well and not

01:12:28.160 only that you know that we were talking about the hijab we're talking about what's done to girls in

01:12:31.740 some of these cultures and ian's a great example of that right from somalia and she was forced to

01:12:36.420 undergo genital mutilation and left islam and is a staunch critic of it you can understand why and

01:12:43.800 she's been saying the same thing she she wrote a whole book we had her on about it in one of our

01:12:48.660 earliest shows about the failure to assimilate by some of these muslim immigrants in places like

01:12:56.720 france and other countries in europe and you're now you're mentioning perhaps canada as well where

01:13:01.000 they come they do leave on the hijab they the men expect that now of even the western women who

01:13:08.940 you know are not part of their culture but are a part of the pre-existing culture in places like

01:13:13.000 france and london elsewhere and now it's finally you know for years and years and years we had

01:13:18.000 people like angela merkel telling us to be quiet and that we were bigots if anybody had an objection

01:13:21.700 to that and now you even have you know the french leader and others saying okay this is getting absurd

01:13:27.400 we're losing our entire culture and by the way christina maloney in italy this has been one of her big

01:13:34.620 issues too like no we have a culture it's okay to fight for it if you want to come here great but you

01:13:40.100 need to assimilate look uh i've made that point on countless occasions uh healthy relationships

01:13:46.860 are built on reciprocity otherwise they're parasitic right so if you expect me to go to

01:13:53.600 saudi arabia or to egypt or to syria and dress accordingly so that i don't violate your cultural

01:14:01.660 and religious sensibilities and maybe i should do it if i want to be a a polite guest in your country

01:14:07.780 then why is it that we shouldn't expect the same of you when we open our borders to you isn't that

01:14:13.400 what reciprocity is why is it that when i go to saudi arabia i can't build a synagogue but we should

01:14:19.600 build mosques you know like we used to have uh starbucks's on every street corner right why is it

01:14:25.300 one way so of course any sane politician should say anybody is welcome to the west you're muslim welcome

01:14:32.460 my brother and sister as long as you leave the cultural and religious baggage that is antithetical

01:14:38.720 to western values at the door if yes come in let's build a better society together if no go back to

01:14:45.180 yemen it's as simple as that the speaking of the saudis i would be remiss if i did not mention the fact

01:14:50.820 that now they are getting ready to make deep oil output cuts their their opec the alliance is going

01:14:58.520 they just announced a two million barrels a day cut in oil production okay that could drive our gas

01:15:04.460 prices back up and it's exactly the opposite of what president biden said he was going to get for

01:15:11.320 us or was trying to get when he went over there essentially bent the knee did the fist bump uh with

01:15:19.260 the prince despite saying he was going to make a pariah out of them going to make a pariah out of them

01:15:23.900 but then gas was at five dollars a gallon and he goes over there and does a fist bump and he said

01:15:31.280 don't worry i'm going to get something they're going to loosen the spigot there and then we're

01:15:34.140 going to help the gas prices they haven't done anything they didn't they did not help and now

01:15:38.880 they're going the other way it just shows america's weakening standing in the world we we don't have the

01:15:44.840 muscle we used to and what muscle we have we misuse to the point where we're not respected remember

01:15:49.960 this is the same guy who wouldn't take biden's calls he kept calling and they wouldn't even pick

01:15:54.020 up the phone for the sitting president of the united states you know uh in in the middle east there's an

01:15:59.620 expression uh which i think is probably a universal one might is right right the middle east is very

01:16:06.460 much of a hierarchical society right they are they are very clear delineated power dynamics right men

01:16:13.040 more better than women uh humans better than animals adults better than children right it's

01:16:20.100 very very hierarchical there's what's called power distance index in the middle east so if you are

01:16:25.420 the strong one you are respected now that doesn't mean that you should be a bully right or the old

01:16:29.440 expression you know uh uh what is it carry uh speak softly but carry a big stick it's part of human

01:16:36.300 nature to respond to that so now when you have an administration and by administration i pretty much

01:16:42.420 mean most of western countries that that think that being kind and compassionate and acquiescing

01:16:49.120 is always going to be viewed as a positive thing from our foes you simply don't understand human nature

01:16:57.500 101 the reason why the israelis exist in a very very dangerous neighborhood is because they understand

01:17:05.500 and internalize the might is right ethos which is we want peace we they go out of their way

01:17:12.400 to you know perform surgeries on on palestinian children but if you attack us we will attack

01:17:18.800 you tenfold whatever you dished out on us and regrettably uh most western politicians have lost

01:17:25.660 uh the understanding of human nature and i hope that they find it back soon can do you think that

01:17:30.820 the biden infirmity is playing into this dynamic you know given your area of expertise and also what

01:17:36.400 you just said your understanding of the region and the way you know people are viewed

01:17:40.180 i mean literally he's cognitive decline you mean yeah yeah the the mumbling the shuffling the

01:17:47.200 forgetting the being corrected by staffers and contradicted who override him all the time

01:17:52.440 being pushed around by the easter bunny the wandering the being lost all the time both

01:17:57.820 literally and figuratively not knowing that a dead person is still dead all of it i mean i definitely

01:18:03.720 think that it plays into it but i think it's the dreadful ideas that he and his administration

01:18:08.700 hold that is really sending us down into the abyss of infinite lunacy

01:18:12.740 okay uh much more to get to that's just a dark note to leave it on but uh we've got a lot a lot more

01:18:21.400 we get so i will take a quick break and get back to the professor

01:18:24.320 because i know that the fascist georgia maloney is going to be taking over canada because she holds

01:18:33.900 on to some really radical ideas like belief in her religion christianity she also believes in the

01:18:40.140 sanctity of the family she also believes that italy should remain italian that they should protect

01:18:46.580 their cultural values their language they shouldn't have open borders all very dangerous ideas

01:18:53.140 so my wife and i are now only speaking in italiano in the home because we know that our days are

01:19:00.500 numbered because we know that fascistic georgia maloney is going to be taking over

01:19:06.520 there it is welcome did you see the earlier part when i'm speaking in italian

01:19:13.420 we cut that because not everybody speaks it and this is professor gadsad doing

01:19:18.280 one of his many comedy routines uh as we mentioned in the intro free speech is definitely one of your

01:19:23.520 things and uh so i i had to ask you about elon musk now it turns out he's basically been forced to

01:19:30.060 settle his twitter dispute he was about to lose in delaware court and so the deal is going to go

01:19:35.200 through he's going to buy twitter and the meltdown on the left and from within the twitter ranks

01:19:41.060 has been fairly delicious but also just absurd um people are really losing their minds here's just a

01:19:47.840 couple from inside the company uh living the plot of succession is effing exhausting tweeted one

01:19:54.540 um okay let's see then there's someone who's a senior financial analyst at twitter tweeting out

01:20:02.040 many crying memes with little girls crying this is apparently indicative of his own feelings

01:20:09.660 cue the layoffs somebody else worried uh they think the stock's gonna plummet another referred to

01:20:15.120 musk is a moron but none of that compares to what happened outside the company gad where

01:20:19.400 you have um ben collins an nbc newser saying for those of you asking yes i do think this site can and

01:20:27.880 will change pretty dramatically if musk gets full control over it no there's no immediate replacement

01:20:32.640 if it gets done early enough based on the people he's aligned with yes it could actually affect

01:20:37.860 midterms the horror that twitter will be used to help conservatives in free speech rather than to

01:20:45.020 crack down on those two things as he clearly admits it has been doing and i'll give you one more joy read

01:20:51.740 uh msnbc host uh retweeted ben collins's thread and then another uh thread belonging to an author don

01:20:59.300 winslow warning about the threat of elon's ownership saying quote if musk gets control of twitter

01:21:05.480 and zuckerberg has control of facebook and cnn is under new republican-backed management we have a

01:21:12.520 massive problem and do not listen to anyone who tells you differently that's what winslow had said

01:21:17.740 she retweeted him they're they're in full meltdown so what do they know that we don't know

01:21:22.340 well they know that anything that someone says that they disagree with is misinformation and

01:21:29.840 disinformation and so they're not fascist or authoritarian they're only doing it

01:21:34.520 for your feeble mind they they're only doing it because they need to protect you from those

01:21:39.400 dangerous ideas that are contrary to theirs by the way this is the exact same uh justification

01:21:45.220 that every single authoritarian dictatorship has ever used right even under for example we were

01:21:51.380 talking earlier about islam in islam there's the concept of fitna fitna is when you create

01:21:56.700 chaos and mischief in society so the reason why we need to do horrifying thing xyz to you

01:22:03.760 is because you're from another religion or you haven't adopted islam as the real religion or you

01:22:09.980 you drew a picture of muhammad or right so every single dictatorship always justifies what they do

01:22:17.440 via some sort of compassionate plea to them protecting you right so uh if now twitter will not

01:22:25.120 be controlled by the bien pensant as we say in french the well thinking then other ideas might spread and we

01:22:32.140 can't have that and of course i i know that one of the topics that we may or may not get to is sam

01:22:37.180 harris and some of his positions sam harris is having a very bad day today because imagine if now twitter

01:22:43.760 wouldn't be able to suppress hunter biden's laptop stuff or wouldn't kick out a sitting president of the

01:22:49.980 united states off their platform that wouldn't be good for a free society we must not allow elon musk to

01:22:56.560 take over for freedom i would talk to talk about sam in one second but i will say the other piece of

01:23:02.760 that problem is the the universe is expanding rapidly in terms of what can be said to be in our best

01:23:10.240 interests you know what what is outside the bounds of decency and so our betters need to sort of correct

01:23:16.820 it like there are two sexes right like rigor is important in a classroom like math is real you know

01:23:25.140 like we should have honors societies and so like all that is racist i saw you did a big thing on it and

01:23:31.380 i thought it was really good um but the just the universe of what's offensive is so big now and so

01:23:37.420 the freak out over who will be the police you know the the word police is justified because these people

01:23:44.080 have been using twitter and so on to shame us all to shadow ban people who say things like we think

01:23:49.980 covid came from a lab um never mind misstepping on gender or race ideology so let's contrast the the

01:23:57.960 the the snowflakes i hate to use that kind of now popular term of you know twitter the ones who are all

01:24:04.280 freaking out that elon musk is going to take over and let's contrast this with the following absolutist

01:24:10.320 stance on free speech here i stand before you a jewish person who escaped execution in lebanon

01:24:17.080 and i say this to you on yom kippur the highest holiday in the jewish faith i support the right

01:24:24.800 of holocaust deniers to spew their nonsense there is nothing more offensive by definition than that

01:24:32.040 because number one it's a profoundly documented historical fact and number two it involves the

01:24:38.600 wholesale eradication of an entire people on an industrial scale level so there's nothing that

01:24:46.420 could be more offensive than denying that grotesque reality but as a defender of freedom of speech i

01:24:53.180 support the right of these kinds of imbeciles racists and pigs to spew whatever nonsense that they

01:24:59.440 want so when i see people whether it be sam harris or all of the the people who are freaking out over

01:25:06.280 elon musk taking the positions that they do it really angers me because they're not true freedom

01:25:13.080 loving people because they are to use the terms that i think i introduced to you in one of our

01:25:18.620 previous conversations they are consequentialists in their ethics right so sam harris basically says

01:25:23.740 well it's okay to uh eradicate the story about hunter biden because to not have done so would have led

01:25:32.560 to donald trump being potentially elected so in this case the consequences were too great whereas

01:25:38.880 of course if you're deontological in in that particular pursuit you say no there are certain

01:25:44.400 foundational values that you could never violate so you as a lawyer would of course agree that the the

01:25:50.400 tenet of presumption of innocence could never be violated it can't be under a consequentialist rubric

01:25:55.520 so all of this nonsense exactly stems from the fact that these people are not true freedom loving

01:26:01.500 people they are in their heart authoritarian you know that's really interesting got me thinking

01:26:07.040 process matters do process matters you can't abandon it for an ends justifies the means kind of thing

01:26:14.640 that's what the founders believed in our systems worked very well for a long time and that is sort of

01:26:20.120 i see your point about sam who i like and i've had on the show he definitely stepped in it as he knows he

01:26:24.740 had to do a whole thing um but i i see your point because what he he really did think that the

01:26:30.180 that the hunter biden laptop being suppressed was sort of an ends justifies the means kind of thing

01:26:35.740 and that trump is just that big an existential threat to the country and if you really believe

01:26:40.520 trump is a hitler-esque figure you would share that view i mean you it would take something that

01:26:45.440 extraordinary for me to say forget due process you know forget all the principles that we've built the

01:26:51.120 country on if hitler's about to take office we've got to break the rules we we have to and that's

01:26:57.580 that's the mindset except let me give you another example from from uh you know jewish history recent

01:27:03.100 jewish history in 1961 the mossad uh tracked adolf eichmann one of the butchers of the nazi regime

01:27:11.560 and they sent out a mossad team to argentina and they had two choices at that point they could

01:27:17.180 either execute him very quietly and met out justice you know very quietly and leave and nobody would

01:27:23.400 would know anything about what happened or they could stick to their deontological principles whereby

01:27:30.140 even someone as diabolical as adolf eichmann deserves his due date and court so at great personal and

01:27:40.840 diplomatic risk they whisked him out of argentina brought him back to israel where he stood trial

01:27:48.440 and then was executed so no one is going to argue that seriously that donald trump is a more grotesque

01:27:55.480 figure than adolf eichmann and yet the israelis stuck to their deontological principles so maybe

01:28:00.600 sam harris needs to go back and read one or two other philosophy books we just ran a soundbite from a guy

01:28:06.220 on cnn yesterday who said he is he's as great a danger i think i don't know if he said he's worse

01:28:11.060 but at least as great as hitler i mean that's one of trump's one of the reasons trump is suing cnn now

01:28:17.520 because they put things like that on it is lunacy oh my god that's the other thing i wanted to ask you

01:28:23.080 about this is kind of lunacy too i don't understand it gad but you understand consumerism and you

01:28:28.720 understand how the human mind works there's breaking news in the alec baldwin case

01:28:33.480 they've they've reached a settlement okay helena hutchins was the cinematographer who was killed

01:28:39.060 by alec baldwin when we fired that gun and had a real bullet in it alec baldwin was also the executive

01:28:43.340 producer of the movie so a civil suit was filed against him and others they've just settled it

01:28:47.000 okay we expected that there's no no way out of liability i'm sure the insurance company will pay

01:28:51.860 it and they'll move on however the settlement deal includes a requirement that they start up the

01:29:00.420 production of rust the movie again with all the principal actors including baldwin and helena

01:29:08.800 hutchins's widower will executive produce the movie gad i said to the team was he a movie producer

01:29:18.600 before this no he's a lawyer i think he's a lawyer at latham and walk watkins i i don't understand this

01:29:25.520 i have nothing but empathy for this man but i don't understand a widower who lost his wife like

01:29:31.780 this in the middle of this movie wanting the movie to see fruition and come to the big screen

01:29:38.300 and to take the helm of it as the executive producer and work with alec baldwin to finish up

01:29:45.200 them i like my mind is kind of blown so i'm i mean i'm this is the first time i'm hearing of this so

01:29:50.360 i'm just broke this morning right oh i see uh i mean the only thing i can think of megan is would

01:29:56.860 it be that you know it's the argument that at least her she has she didn't lose her life in vain at

01:30:03.040 least that which ended up killing her came to fruition and that people will consume that movie

01:30:08.460 do you think that that's the argument as to why he got involved and so on i don't know but why would

01:30:15.520 he become the executive producer why would he want alec baldwin back in there doing it what are they

01:30:20.480 going to do with the scene in the church that turned deadly for his wife you know does that does that

01:30:26.060 make the movie do they reshoot that they're going to start back up this production with it's a what's

01:30:30.280 a western with guns and ammo and people who are responsible for that like the armorer i mean i i'm

01:30:37.200 stunned that people are about to be criminally charged according to the local da for their behavior

01:30:43.900 in connection with this including potentially baldwin and the meantime is going to be working

01:30:47.860 with all the same people doing the same thing it makes no sense to me that so this is this was done

01:30:52.460 at the civil level this is not a criminal yeah no the criminal charges have yet to be brought but the

01:30:57.080 local da just announced last week uh that they need more money to hire local prosecutors to help them

01:31:01.980 because they expect to bring as many as four prosecutions criminally yeah i must say i'm equally

01:31:07.260 stumped i mean i guess maybe i'll add one thing it amazed me when i saw uh alec baldwin in in the

01:31:13.260 various interviews that he's given uh you know relating to that story how lacking in contriteness

01:31:18.800 he had right how lacking in you know there's there's a there's a humility that comes with the

01:31:23.480 fact that you know whether it was accidental or whomever is culpable for the thing i mean you should

01:31:28.580 feel rather you know contrite in the fact that a life was lost during that particular shooting and yet

01:31:35.660 the the way that he handled himself suggests that i mean he he borders on being psychopathic i don't like

01:31:41.180 to use that word uh you know lightly but uh i think that if you or i had you know been the one

01:31:47.940 who whose hand you know caused that uh death we probably would have behaved very differently in

01:31:53.740 those interviews don't you think how would you go back on that set even as alec baldwin even if you

01:31:59.960 resolve every question in his favor you know he was as responsible as you could possibly be the bottom

01:32:05.640 he did kill a woman he killed her um i don't understand what kind of a human being could go

01:32:12.340 resume the production what is it about money they think this is a way to honor her because she was

01:32:17.600 involved in the production to begin with i mean like all we heard about for months was how traumatic

01:32:22.900 this was for everyone involved and now they're going to go revisit the exact scene of trauma

01:32:27.100 relive it again and complete it to make money i don't i don't know gad i just feel like hollywood

01:32:33.920 people i don't understand them i don't understand this and in no world did i have on my bingo card

01:32:40.060 that helena hutchins husband would be the executive producer of this very film and see it through to

01:32:46.260 the end a human nature is a bizarre thing all right let me ask you about something else bizarre

01:32:50.820 that's in the news today and that is kanye west he went to paris fashion show paris fashion week

01:32:57.040 wearing a white lives matter sweatshirt candace owens was there with him she wore one as well

01:33:03.900 then an editor of vogue then a bunch of people started to attack him apparently his longtime business

01:33:09.000 partner quit saying this is so offensive um an editor at vogue attacked him saying this is

01:33:17.640 dehumanizing and deeply offensive he went after her saying you're not really a fashion person and

01:33:24.120 you know it and they kind of got personal now he's tried to bury the hadget by saying oh we had a dinner

01:33:29.500 and it's all good but there's a shit storm raining down on kanye west and it seems to me and they're

01:33:34.180 saying it's he's promoting white supremacy by wearing the white lives matter of course all right

01:33:38.380 sweatshirt seems to me it takes a lot of guts to be a black man in america and try to make a point

01:33:44.920 he's clearly trying to make it make a point he's not saying black lives don't matter um and i wonder

01:33:49.460 what you think is in the psychology of a guy like kanye west who's willing to take a risk that big

01:33:54.860 i i think because he's got a strong personhood notwithstanding some of his kind of bizarre

01:34:00.080 erratic behavior he has a strong sense of self he's not going to be cowed by group think and the hive

01:34:06.420 mindset i admire him for that he certainly is a honey badger i mean it amazes me again to to link it back

01:34:12.260 to our earlier conversation about the iranian girls we are getting all triggered about a black

01:34:17.740 man wearing a shirt which is somewhat trolling you know white lives matter contextualize that with the

01:34:23.860 young 15 year olds who are facing down a butchery of a regime where they could whisk you away and

01:34:31.140 gang rape you before they beat you into you know senseless that's what we're talking about that some

01:34:36.860 rapper you know trolled people wearing white lives matter it again it amazes me people need to travel

01:34:43.700 a bit more to contextualize how well they have it in the west and then maybe they wouldn't be so easily

01:34:49.080 triggered the woman he went after at vogue the editor actually called the sweatshirt violent it's

01:34:56.860 violent of course right this is where we go and you again you look at these iranian girls this girl

01:35:02.680 didn't have her hijab on her head scarf on and she was beaten to death so we really need to be more

01:35:08.880 careful with our language kanye wearing that sweatshirt may have been offensive to this woman

01:35:13.900 and she's more than entitled to say that but when we co-opt real terms like violence and use them in

01:35:20.520 situations like this it just waters them down into meaningless and we need them to have meaning

01:35:25.700 exactly right and and by the way in the parasitic mind i talk about this issue when i talk about the

01:35:30.960 ethos of victimology and i basically argue that in the same way that when you set a thermostat

01:35:36.580 that it will either release heat or release air conditioning to for it to adhere to the temperature

01:35:42.860 that you've set it at this is what we're doing with victimology there's a certain level of victimology

01:35:47.520 that we must have and if our society is no longer racist and bigoted and so on then we will manufacture

01:35:54.740 full victimhood so that we can achieve the level of victimology that we best need and this

01:36:00.920 is what happened with juicy smollett that's what happened with all of these idiots that fake their

01:36:04.680 victim attacks it's grotesque you you need to see what happens to people who truly live lives of

01:36:11.820 victimhood before you start whining about your pampered lives right that's right go on something

01:36:17.100 other than tiktok or instagram to figure out what's happening in the world gad sad thank you for being one of

01:36:24.940 the great fighters on the side of reason it's such a pleasure to have you and to know you thank you so

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The Megyn Kelly Show - October 05, 2022

Fauci Overstays His Welcome, a Society of Whiners, and Meltdown Over Elon Buying Twitter, with Gad Saad ｜ Ep. 405

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