The Megyn Kelly Show - Fauci's COVID Responsibility and Gun vs. Criminal Culture, with Peter Navarro and Dana Loesch ｜ Ep. 217

00:00:00.520 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:12.100 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. We have a great show lined up for you today.

00:00:16.720 Dana Lash is here. Really looking forward to talking with her about Alec Baldwin, about race-based teachings in school,

00:00:24.300 and about this case with this school shooter with his parents now arrested based on what they did with respect to their son and his gun.

00:00:32.660 You know, Dana is an expert when it comes to guns and ammunition and so on, so we'll talk to her about all of that.

00:00:39.200 And she's got a new children's book coming out, so we'll get there as well.

00:00:43.140 But we're going to begin today with new reporting on the pandemic.

00:00:46.520 President Biden dealt yet another blow in his efforts to force federal employees to get the jab, and we're learning more about Omicron.

00:00:53.400 Few people know more about the country's COVID response, about China, about the virus's origins, and so on,

00:00:59.800 not to mention the impact all of this has on our economy.

00:01:02.820 Then my next guest, Peter Navarro, is an American economist who served as President Trump's Director of Trade and Manufacturing Policy.

00:01:11.240 He has a new book and a new podcast out called In Trump Time.

00:01:16.260 A congressional committee right now is demanding that he hand over all documents and communications related to the pandemic.

00:01:22.880 By today, we'll ask whether he's going to do that.

00:01:27.080 Peter, thank you so much for being here.

00:01:28.600 Again, so great to be with you.

00:01:30.480 The pleasure's mine.

00:01:31.340 So let me just start with that last piece now.

00:01:33.480 So there's many congressional committees investigating many things from the Trump years, and one of them is the COVID response.

00:01:41.360 So they want all sorts of documents from you, your notes and all that for when you were with the administration.

00:01:46.960 And President Trump has said, don't hand it over, and it is his privilege.

00:01:51.040 So what do you do?

00:01:53.240 I'll make a statement on that on December 14th, which is the day before the committee meets and expecting me there.

00:02:03.740 So let's wait till then.

00:02:06.360 In the meantime, executive privilege is sacrosanct, and I will respect that privilege.

00:02:14.460 Okay.

00:02:15.100 Now, if I'm not mistaken, the background you have behind you in this shot, right, is the screen.

00:02:21.460 Is that the Wuhan lab?

00:02:23.360 Yeah, that's a quiz for your audience, like who gets it right.

00:02:27.080 And so the host got it right.

00:02:28.700 So good for you.

00:02:29.860 And let me walk you through this, and this is all in the In Trump Time book.

00:02:34.460 Look, this is something people really need to understand.

00:02:38.360 The Wuhan Institute of Virology, first of all, it's also what's called a P4 bioweapons lab run by the People's Liberation Army. 0.95

00:02:47.100 This is where dangerous bioweapons are created.

00:02:50.740 Now, what's interesting about this, in the In Trump Time book, in the second chapter, I meet this guy in the Situation Room.

00:02:58.600 The president has sent me there to argue on behalf of the travel ban.

00:03:04.240 It's January 28, 2020, very early in the pandemic.

00:03:07.580 There's no pandemic yet, according to Dr. Anthony Fauci.

00:03:10.880 And I'm in there with a group, and I immediately get into an argument with this little guy with round glasses on who's adamantly opposed to the travel ban.

00:03:25.280 He's saying travel bans don't work.

00:03:27.800 And it turns out, of course, to be Fauci.

00:03:30.080 And during the argument, I'm thinking to myself, you know, this guy thinks he's smarter than he is, and he's going to do us harm.

00:03:35.920 And, Maggie, that was my initial instinct.

00:03:39.260 But here's what's interesting.

00:03:40.940 What Fauci knew at the time, and this is the biggest lie of omission in world history.

00:03:46.740 This is Wuhan, China.

00:03:48.820 Fauci knew that the virus itself had come within yards of this, so it likely came from this lab.

00:03:55.700 But what Fauci didn't tell the president and me was that he had funded the so-called gain-of-function experiments at the Wuhan lab, which can be used to turn a harmless bat virus into a human killer. 0.69

00:04:10.780 More importantly, he had gotten an email from a Scripps scientist who said flat out this thing was likely genetically engineered.

00:04:19.520 So here we have a situation, Megan, where we have a pandemic that's killed over 700,000 Americans, millions worldwide, cost us trillions in the economy.

00:04:33.800 And yet the guy, Fauci, who is likely responsible for the pandemic with the Chinese Communist Party, not only roams free and out of jail, but is the highest-ranking health official, the highest-paid government employee,

00:04:50.220 and continues to tell us that five-year-olds need to be jabbed by what is right now not really a vaccine.

00:04:59.740 It's a faux vaccine that basically is designed to provoke an immune response.

00:05:06.960 It's not like smallpox or polio vaccine.

00:05:11.160 Well, I mean, the vaccine will help minimize your chances of hospitalization or death.

00:05:16.400 The thing about the absurdity of the children is they are facing virtually no risk of hospitalization or death anyway.

00:05:25.020 And so it's like, well, why should we jab them well so that they don't transmit it to others?

00:05:29.680 Well, the vaccine doesn't prevent transmission.

00:05:31.960 So it's like, so wait, why am I jabbing him again?

00:05:35.000 Walk me through it.

00:05:35.840 I'm totally open-minded to it, but so far the arguments aren't that persuasive.

00:05:39.920 But let me stop.

00:05:40.720 Let me go back to something you said, which was that he basically caused the pandemic.

00:05:45.520 That's the link that they haven't been able to establish yet.

00:05:48.260 I'm with you on the NIH, his group within the NIH funding gain-of-function research.

00:05:54.060 I agree with you.

00:05:55.400 They paid Peter Daszak's group hundreds of thousands.

00:05:58.360 Peter Daszak worked with that lab to do what is clearly gain-of-function research.

00:06:02.220 The NIH wound up having to admit that, though Fauci still tries to dodge it based on some weird wording of what technically is gain-of-function.

00:06:10.220 Meanwhile, NIH already gave it up.

00:06:11.640 But they haven't been able to say that what Peter Daszak's group was doing in that lab that, you know, is behind you, was the thing that led to this virus.

00:06:23.100 It was, like, related.

00:06:24.600 It was bat coronaviruses. 0.99

00:06:26.380 But it wasn't – there's no proof.

00:06:27.980 And I haven't even seen the documents suggesting what they created, what we helped fund, was the creation of this virus.

00:06:33.980 Yeah, there's a couple of things to say about it.

00:06:37.280 First of all, you don't need to have to make that case to hold Fauci responsible.

00:06:43.100 The analogy here is that what China has done and what President Trump cracked down on when he was in office was all the kinds of technology transfer that China would affect to their country from the United States,

00:06:58.060 whether it was stealing the technology outright or forcing the transfer of the technology.

00:07:03.020 At a minimum, Megan, here's what we know, that the scientists in this lab who were able to create the virus that either escaped or was intentionally released, probably escaped.

00:07:18.760 The technology they used was the technology that was transferred through the grants that Fauci gave to the Chinese, through Daszak, through Beric, through the Bat Lady.

00:07:31.340 So, at a minimum, even if Fauci didn't directly create the virus, he gave them the technology and the expertise to do that.

00:07:42.260 Now, the other thing to say, having said that, is I believe that the experimentation that Beric Daszak and the Bat Lady did led directly to this. 0.56

00:07:54.840 And the problem we have, Megan, and again, this is at the feet of both Fauci and the Chinese Communist Party, is we don't have the original genome of the virus. 0.83

00:08:05.100 See, here's the thing, if Fauci had come to the president and said, look, I think we've got a big problem here, we funded this lab, they did some gain-of-function experiments, this thing looks genetically engineered, we've got to get to the bottom of it.

00:08:19.680 If he had simply said that in January 2020, I know what would have happened, and I probably would have been the tip of the spear on this.

00:08:27.060 We would have went to Congress, China, and demanded the original genome of the virus.

00:08:31.920 Megan, we still don't have that.

00:08:33.200 Why is that important?

00:08:34.160 It's crazy.

00:08:34.540 It would have allowed us to design a much more sophisticated and complex true vaccine.

00:08:42.160 Let's go back to the vaccine for a minute.

00:08:44.180 Here's the thing, it's not really a vaccine.

00:08:46.660 In the In Trump Time book, I described a series of a dozen memos I wrote in February of 2020 that helped jumpstart Operation Warp Speed.

00:08:56.900 But I was really clear-eyed at the time, because I had a really good medical advisor, Dr. Stephen Hatfield.

00:09:02.640 And we knew right off the bat that the vaccine was not a true vaccine.

00:09:07.380 It was based on these experimental RNA technologies, right?

00:09:11.360 And so what it is, it's a primitive tool, basically, that takes six of these spike proteins, injects it into people, and provokes what we now know is a relatively brief immune response that's not complete in terms of protection. 0.97

00:09:30.620 Look, I'm the first one to say, if you're a senior citizen and you've got comorbidities, get the damn thing, okay?

00:09:39.120 But I'm also the first to say that what's really more important is therapeutics, and that if you're a healthy person or a kid that's not immune compromised, you don't want that. 0.69

00:09:50.900 The point here is that if we had the original genome, if Fauci had told us what he had done here in January 2020, and we got that original genome, we could have more precisely designed a true vaccine, and the genie wouldn't have got out of the bottle.

00:10:07.900 Let me ask you this, Peter.

00:10:09.700 So let me ask you this, though, about the genome, because it does seem to me we've sort of moved on.

00:10:15.060 You know, China disappeared, a couple of people who were reporting on this and who were saying what had really happened.

00:10:21.640 And then we just moved on.

00:10:24.940 You know, like right now, we've announced this week that we're going to do a diplomatic boycott of the Olympics because of their human rights abuses.

00:10:31.700 It doesn't seem directly related to COVID.

00:10:33.460 And there's been absolutely no accountability.

00:10:35.840 And we're still dealing with this virus.

00:10:37.540 So, I mean, I do wonder this genuinely.

00:10:40.260 If President Trump were still in office and you were advising him, what would you be telling him to try to force them to fork over what they know with the original genome?

00:10:49.300 So, Megan, the one that got away from me, you know, my specialty when I got to the White House in 2017, yeah, I had no experience in this thing.

00:11:00.500 But I quickly learned that the thing that you do at the White House is do executive orders.

00:11:06.200 That's kind of the way to achieve progress in policy because it just takes too long to work through the Congress.

00:11:13.680 And in the UnTrump Time book, there's a story about how I drafted an executive order that would have created a national commission like the Kennedy Commission on the Assassination, the BP oil spill, Pearl Harbor.

00:11:28.420 To this day, I think that we need to proceed with all due speed to that.

00:11:32.900 What it would have done, it was clever in the following sense.

00:11:38.800 It not only would have required getting to the origins of the virus and the costs, which I calculate to be upwards of a year's worth of GDP right now, like $20 trillion.

00:11:50.920 It would also have examined how the virus has actually helped China improve its position relative to the United States economically, geopolitically and militarily.

00:12:07.300 So to your point here, my long answer is really a short answer.

00:12:12.060 It's we need to get to the bottom of this.

00:12:14.560 The best way to do it is through a national commission to put the heat on the Chinese. 1.00

00:12:18.680 And you're absolutely right when you say we've moved on.

00:12:23.300 But don't include me in that.

00:12:25.060 Don't include a lot of people in America who, if you do a poll, still want to hold China accountable and get to the bottom of it.

00:12:32.740 I see, you know, they take one of the key mission of the UnTrump Time book is to put Fauci in jail.

00:12:38.760 But it's also to get to the bottom of what happened in the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

00:12:43.540 Because, look, I think yesterday was was Pearl Harbor Day, December 7th.

00:12:48.780 And and as I write in the book, it's like our third Pearl Harbor moment, Megan, was January 15th, 2020, when I'm sitting in the East Wing in the audience watching the boss on stage with the Chinese vice premier signing this so-called skinny trade deal.

00:13:07.700 And I'm thinking of myself in a cold sweat that that that a virus was on its way, that these people sitting on stage probably knew that and and wondering whether this was an attack to take Hong Kong and get Trump out of the White House.

00:13:23.940 It pretty much looks like that today.

00:13:26.180 Wow. That's I mean, now that's deep because, right, Trump was rolling along toward re-election.

00:13:33.280 The economy was booming and this stopped it.

00:13:36.500 This obviously there was no bigger factor than covid and Trump's Trump's defeat.

00:13:40.140 Right. And of course, then you saw the Democrats in the media seize on it and, you know, blow this up into 24 seven nonstop coverage without any nuance, without any, you know, pause to take a look at whether they were making too big a deal out of it, whether we were overstepping in terms of our response and so on.

00:13:56.420 But let me rewind to jail for Fauci, because that's a that's a big thing.

00:14:02.160 Right now, based on what I know, Rand Paul and some others are saying he lied to Congress.

00:14:06.340 But what specifically? Because, you know, given given that he's denying the gain of function research and is trying to sort of weasel out of it based on a definition, is that what you're talking about?

00:14:17.240 Well, why does he belong in jail?

00:14:19.520 Well, for two reasons. First of all, he did lie to Congress.

00:14:22.540 He can weasel all he want. He's a sociopath. 1.00

00:14:25.180 He's a narcissist. 1.00

00:14:26.600 That's what he does.

00:14:27.680 I mean, if you just look at when he gets caught, caught in a lie, he just just makes it up a new one.

00:14:33.960 It's like, let's let's just.

00:14:36.160 OK, the virus came from nature.

00:14:38.460 Remember, Megan, I buried the lead in some sense, because the lie of omission, he not only lied by omission, then he went to did this elaborate cover up with Peter Daszak to lead the world to believe that this thing came from from nature, from from a bat cave.

00:14:53.820 That the zoonotic theory, as they call it, that's been that's been debunked now.

00:14:58.420 That's so. So he leads the cover up. So the first lie is come from nature, not the lab.

00:15:03.560 He knew damn well came from the lab.

00:15:05.300 Oh, it came from the lab. But it wasn't us. Right. 0.58

00:15:09.820 It wasn't those those whatever we were doing at the lab.

00:15:13.500 We we'd never supported gain of function. Well, we supported something that looked like gain of function.

00:15:20.020 I mean, it goes on and on and on.

00:15:22.420 A lot of wiggling.

00:15:23.020 I think the only reason why Biden keeps him there is because he's like the trophy that helped Biden defeat Trump.

00:15:30.800 Right. And if you if you take Fauci out and kind of you kind of undermine the whole credibility of their campaign.

00:15:37.760 But the other reason why he belongs in jail or at least should be the object of a massive class action suit is precisely because he helped create the virus and then hid it from the world.

00:15:49.500 I mean, that he ended up he had not the virus necessarily, but a virus similar.

00:15:55.820 Yeah. And by the way, yeah, good point. Excellent point.

00:15:59.800 By the way, in the Trump time book and this this kind of shocked me when I was doing the research.

00:16:04.880 But Fauci is is responsible, if you believe Sean Straub and body count, for killing 17000 people during during the worst of the AIDS crisis in the 1980s for withholding a medicine that he knew that the AIDS community knew worked.

00:16:25.980 And, you know, fast forward to chapter seven and in Trump time, it's the same thing with hydroxychloroquine.

00:16:31.080 But, Megan, I can tell you with without any shadow of a doubt today, based on all the science we know, that that hydroxychloroquine is it was one of the safest drugs on the planet and would have saved over 300000 American lives if we had deployed it.

00:16:48.800 And today, if we were to deploy it, it would save hundreds of thousands of American lives.

00:16:54.360 Let me say something to you on hydroxychloroquine.

00:16:57.680 So I was open minded to that. And actually, I've told the story before I had to have an oral surgery during the height of the pandemic.

00:17:04.740 My dentist, my oral surgeon who who operated on me said that he and everyone he knew was on it.

00:17:10.100 All of his doctor friends were on hydroxychloroquine. This is back during the height of the pandemic.

00:17:13.860 So I said, OK, you know, he's like, you're not allowed to say it.

00:17:16.380 You're not allowed to even talk about it, but we're all on it.

00:17:19.000 So then I went to my doctor, who's my primary care physician. He's an infectious disease specialist.

00:17:23.840 And he said, here's the truth on hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin.

00:17:28.740 He said studies are underway on both. He said so far, the actual, you know, peer reviewed studies and the meta studies that look at all the studies on hydroxychloroquine have not proven that it's effective.

00:17:39.680 And yet ivermectin looks more promising. So he's not like some knee jerk, like now none of this stuff.

00:17:44.840 This is crazy quack medicine. He what he told me, this is, you know, a guy I trust is possibly on ivermectin.

00:17:52.300 So far, we haven't seen the proof on hydroxy.

00:17:55.940 Well, we haven't seen it. We have seen it now unequivocally.

00:17:59.420 There's there's plenty of evidence. It's I hate to keep mentioning the interim time book, but it's all the chapter seven in the interim time book.

00:18:07.940 It's an homage to Perry Mason. It's the scurrilous case of hydroxy hysteria.

00:18:13.060 I basically lay out all of the studies that have been done.

00:18:17.260 There's no question that if you take hydroxychloroquine in the first seven days, on average, you will see a moderation of symptoms, reduction in any hospital time.

00:18:29.080 Should you go there less need for a ventilator and death off the table?

00:18:32.880 It's it's unequivocal. And there are some risks associated with it, too.

00:18:37.560 I mean, there have been some risks with hydroxychloroquine that have been documented, depending on your medical history.

00:18:42.800 You and I are not going to give medical advice, right?

00:18:45.340 It's like do it through your personal physician.

00:18:47.720 Putting the asterisks up. Yeah.

00:18:49.360 Yeah. The one look, it's it is regarded to be one of the safest drugs in the world.

00:18:54.820 CDC actually prescribes it for pregnant women going in to malaria zones.

00:18:59.600 And here's what's interesting, Megan.

00:19:01.460 The amount of hydroxychloroquine you would take to treat the covid over a seven day period is the same amount on a daily basis that lupus and rheumatoid arthritis patients take for the rest of their lives.

00:19:17.280 OK, so the people who are the only people who appear to be at risk from it are those with heart arrhythmias.

00:19:25.840 And that's it. Right. Exactly. That's why it's important to go to your, you know, go to your physician.

00:19:30.640 But I think it's important when when you talk to your when you talk to your doctor, whoever was talking to it.

00:19:37.020 It's like what happened was early on, they conflated the studies and looked at late treatment with early treatment.

00:19:44.880 If you take hydroxychloroquine after seven days to try to help with covid, it's like take an aspirin for a gunshot wound.

00:19:53.820 The virus has proliferated too much. But if you catch it early, you have a strong antiviral effect.

00:20:01.900 So, you know, there it is. But read Chapter 70 and in Trump time, I would say to your audience, let them decide.

00:20:07.880 But I can tell you unequivocally that we need widespread therapeutics if we're going to ever get to.

00:20:15.600 Well, they're coming. I mean, they're coming. We're getting one from Merck.

00:20:19.380 Supposedly, you know, these pills are going to be very, very helpful.

00:20:22.420 Hold on. Let me stand you by there because I have to squeeze in a quick break. 0.99

00:20:24.780 But I really want to talk to you about boosters, too, because today Pfizer's out.

00:20:28.600 It's getting hit in the news for saying, get your booster, get your booster to fight Omicron.

00:20:32.880 Omicron. Meanwhile, it's not at all clear that it's going to stop Omicron.

00:20:38.240 We're going to pick it up there right after this quick break.

00:20:40.280 More with Peter Navarro coming up on all of this, including how covid has affected the economy, two of his specialties when we come back.

00:20:55.540 Peter Navarro is back with us now, author of the new book in Trump time.

00:20:59.720 OK, Peter, so today Pfizer comes out and says what you need to do is get a booster, saying two doses of the covid-19 vaccine were significantly less effective at neutralizing the Omicron variant in early lab tests.

00:21:14.140 But a three dose regimen was more effective.

00:21:18.140 This at the same time, we learn that Omicron really is not that scary a variant.

00:21:24.500 Even Fauci has said that the variant appears to cause less severe illness.

00:21:29.720 Cautioning that data is still preliminary.

00:21:31.600 But so we have a variant that's actually really not that dangerous.

00:21:35.360 So far as as of late yesterday, there wasn't a single death attributed to Omicron in the world.

00:21:40.960 And yet Pfizer and even Fauci has said earlier, this is the excuse to get your booster.

00:21:45.800 This is the reason to get your booster right now.

00:21:47.560 What do you make of it?

00:21:48.220 Well, Pfizer is is not an American company, even though it's based here.

00:21:54.760 I go at length in the in Trump time book about how it acts like the Vatican has its own foreign policy.

00:22:02.760 It's one of the most scurrilous companies in the world, led by the most scurrilous CEO in the world.

00:22:10.540 This guy, Albert Borla, I have a story about how Borla and Pfizer basically manipulated the data on the covid in order to postpone the vaccine until after the election.

00:22:28.220 So Trump could not get a win.

00:22:30.540 What they did make.

00:22:31.380 And it was right after.

00:22:32.500 Wasn't it like a day after the election that they announced they had the vaccine?

00:22:35.340 Yeah, well, yeah, what what they did is it's it's like for in order you go through these clinical trials and in order to say you got a vaccine that's over 90 percent effective, which Pfizer was able to do.

00:22:47.260 They have to have a certain amount of what's called confirmed cases.

00:22:51.240 These are the people who took the vaccine, but still got the got the virus.

00:22:56.100 And so in order so so so that they could delay that announcement and screw Trump, they they took these test swabs and stored them rather than actually look at the results.

00:23:09.120 And that allowed them to postpone him and Borla.

00:23:12.780 And this guy is like the shadiest guy I've ever seen.

00:23:15.800 And there's a story about how these these big pharma executives would come in to the White House.

00:23:21.540 I'd sit down and meet him because one of my things, Megan, was bringing home our supply chains for essential medicines.

00:23:27.080 This is like critical.

00:23:28.500 It's like we are totally dependent on the Chinese and the Indians for much of what's in our medicine cabinet. 0.99

00:23:35.260 And that's OK unless you got a pandemic.

00:23:37.720 OK, so so these guys would come in in their Gucci shoes and they'd look down their nose at me like I was like some nativist.

00:23:46.220 And say, no, no, no, we can't bring our supply chains home, cost too much, can't be done.

00:23:52.540 And I'm saying, no, no, no, there's just too much risk.

00:23:56.000 So that's Pfizer and big pharma spent a tremendous amount of money on behalf of Biden and against Trump.

00:24:03.440 My point here is that these Pfizer, they're all about the money.

00:24:10.440 Right. And if I had if we were in the White House for a second term, one of the things that I'd be demanding is that that Pfizer and these drug companies don't make a single dime.

00:24:22.000 It's just cost based. You know, I'm using the Defense Production Act.

00:24:26.080 You make that stuff. OK, you make that stuff, but you're not making a dime.

00:24:30.320 You know, you'll recover your costs, but you don't make a dime and you do that for the good of the country.

00:24:35.500 So that's kind of where we're at now with respect to these booster shots, Megan, the science is clear.

00:24:42.920 And I go back again to the story I told you before the break.

00:24:47.680 You know, I'm the guy. It's me and Trump time book sitting in the White House.

00:24:50.900 February 9th, I write a memo that says we can get a vaccine by October or November.

00:24:57.000 Right. It's like Fauci's head exploded because he said, no, it's going to take more than two years.

00:25:01.100 We actually hit that mark. But in those memos, I say very clearly, look, this is RNA experimental technology.

00:25:08.260 It's likely to be leaky and non-durable. It is no silver bullet.

00:25:14.140 And we're in a situation now where this genie is so far out of the bottle that we're looking at boosters and annual shots far into the future and just learning to live with it.

00:25:28.740 And the problem is that the technology, these faux vaccines just don't have the firepower to deal with the number of mutations.

00:25:37.940 And the biggest problem we have and Doc Malone, who invented the RNA technology, and I have written several articles about this in The Washington Times, which it's basic virology 101, Megan.

00:25:51.600 And if you have people getting the vaccine and the virus encounters them, they will develop mutations that are resistant to the vaccine.

00:26:02.120 And if you vaccinate everybody with a universal vaccine, you run the very real risk of creating a mutation that hits the vaccinate.

00:26:11.680 And so that's like what you what you sound like you're bashing the concept of vaccines, which were developed during the Trump presidency.

00:26:19.260 You're not bashing the concept of a vaccine.

00:26:21.340 No, no. Let's be clear. I'm not. See, that's the thing.

00:26:25.020 I'm the last person anybody can accuse of being anti-vax because I helped create this thing.

00:26:30.020 Yeah. But this is not this is not polio and smallpox.

00:26:34.800 No, it's not like you take it. You're not going to get it.

00:26:36.880 It's a disease that takes that takes away those diseases forever.

00:26:41.220 OK, what we have here is a leaky and non-durable vaccine.

00:26:47.420 The durability is the issue where you keep got to get boosters.

00:26:50.600 The leaky is that you can still get the disease if you get vaccinated.

00:26:55.300 Right. And so the prudent, the prudent strategy here, Megan, this is really serious thing, is to only vaccinate the people who are at risk most from the disease.

00:27:08.420 That is the elderly. That's people with comorbidities. 1.00

00:27:12.380 And then everybody else who treat who have a very, very low risk of death, you treat with therapeutics.

00:27:19.960 And that's the way you build up.

00:27:21.560 Or not at all. Right. I mean, like most people don't need any treatment from covid.

00:27:25.640 It's very mild for millions of people.

00:27:29.080 Yes, exactly right.

00:27:30.920 You know, me, it's my first sign of of covid.

00:27:34.080 I'm taking I'm taking a hydroxy.

00:27:37.300 Right. And if I need some other stuff, you know, certainly boost up my zinc, my vitamin D, stuff like that.

00:27:42.880 The point here, Megan, is that we're in a this this is like, again, I get back to the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

00:27:50.840 We still don't know what the Chinese attack us with.

00:27:53.660 We still don't know what.

00:27:54.920 No, I agree with all that. But but I do.

00:27:56.900 But my concern, like I am pro-vax.

00:27:59.160 I'm anti-mandate, which in the Democrats book makes me an anti-vaxxer.

00:28:02.840 You have to be pro-mandate to be a pro-vaxxer, I guess.

00:28:05.280 But I don't care. Yeah.

00:28:06.080 But I do see the reports that, you know, people are dying, obviously, and that more Republicans are dying, more Trump supporters, more Republicans, more conservatives are dying than, you know, people who consider themselves on the left.

00:28:21.140 And it's not that that makes the death any more concerning or less concerning for me.

00:28:24.720 My point is simply it's important that those people understand that the vaccine is effective at preventing death or hospitalization if you're somebody who's at risk for those things.

00:28:35.180 So we can't crap all over it entirely.

00:28:38.520 It has provided.

00:28:40.360 I'm not doing that.

00:28:41.780 Yeah.

00:28:42.000 I just want to make sure we're clear because I don't want people who need it.

00:28:47.920 Here's the thing.

00:28:48.660 There's the hockey stick.

00:28:49.780 OK, this is the scariest thing in covid.

00:28:52.340 If you if you look at a graph, right, by age and death rates, mortality rates, right, and you go from like one year old, right, to about 60, it's about a flat line.

00:29:07.300 OK.

00:29:07.560 But once you hit over 60, it's a hockey stick.

00:29:11.720 It goes straight up.

00:29:12.880 And by the time you're 80 years old, right, and you get covid, you know, you got like a 60 or 70 percent chance of death.

00:29:21.780 I mean, you'd be nuts not to take the vaccine.

00:29:24.580 And if you have chronic morbidities, too, your risk is higher.

00:29:27.080 Well, healthy, healthy, healthy.

00:29:31.520 But if you've got like lung disease, heart disease, diabetes, you're morbidly obese.

00:29:38.580 I mean, again, we're we're absolutely on the same page here, Megan, with respect to how this should be deployed.

00:29:49.000 OK, people who are at risk should take it.

00:29:51.480 But I'm telling you, it's like like jabbing our five year olds, jabbing professional athletes.

00:29:57.260 There's a study.

00:29:57.960 There's studies out now that from Hong Kong that says there's a one in twenty seven hundred chance that boy children will get myocarditis.

00:30:06.740 OK, that's a very known side effect.

00:30:08.980 And now we have some data on that.

00:30:11.520 So wasn't there a Pfizer study recently confirming the risks of myocarditis from the vaccine?

00:30:18.580 And now it's being suppressed, like reporting on the real side effects from the vaccines, even from the vax manufacturers, is being stifled because Twitter and the other social media giants are so determined not to have you understand any of the risks, however large or small they may be.

00:30:36.040 That's what's so frustrating.

00:30:37.120 And we haven't even gotten to natural immunity.

00:30:39.560 I mean, so I can have my kids are eight, 10 and 12.

00:30:41.680 So my if my 10 year old gets covid, I still.

00:30:46.940 So now let's say she gets covid.

00:30:48.460 She hasn't had covid, but let's say she gets covid.

00:30:50.800 Then I still have to vaccinate her post. 0.99

00:30:54.280 So there's no question a child who gets covid has natural immunity thereafter.

00:30:57.860 They already started at an incredibly low risk of transmitting it anyway.

00:31:01.280 And now I've got to mandatorily vaccinate her, too, which it's after they had covid and they get a vaccine that potential risks go up.

00:31:08.660 It is insane. And there's no way of really fighting if you live in a blue state because everyone in control thinks you're a nutcase if you say anything negative about the vaccine or masks.

00:31:20.360 And this is where I get back to Fauci's original sin, a lie of omission.

00:31:26.000 It's like if you have the virus and you survive, you've got a very textured, broad based type of immunity, including T cell immunity, which is, according to Israeli studies, at least 20 times stronger than the vaccine itself.

00:31:45.020 Now, if you vaccinate people who have those natural antibodies, there is some evidence that suggests that that interferes with those antibodies.

00:31:54.880 So there's two reasons why you don't want to vaccinate the people who have antibodies.

00:31:59.440 One is they have antibodies that are stronger. And two, you could actually weaken those antibodies.

00:32:04.760 So that's that's just it's just an absolutely crazy thing to do.

00:32:09.620 But by the way, I mean, you have your middle child's female.

00:32:14.200 The boys risk myocarditis.

00:32:17.520 The females risk the problems with the reproductive reproductive cycle. 1.00

00:32:22.880 I mean, we're running some really.

00:32:25.140 I looked at that. Trust me, I took a hard look at that either.

00:32:28.340 I could not find evidence that proved it thus far.

00:32:30.900 I had a long podcast with Brett Weinstein who'd been raising concerns and he had on two experts where they got they did a deep dive on that.

00:32:37.740 I took a look at it and did not see evidence that that was real that created fertility concerns.

00:32:42.760 Let me let me promote Doc Malone, have him on and you might get that.

00:32:48.820 But I think I think the point here, going back to this suppression of data, this is the this is the Fauci doctrine of the good lie.

00:32:58.860 Remember when when we were confronted with a shortage of N95 masks, Fauci went on TV and said that masks don't work.

00:33:08.920 Yeah, there wouldn't be a run on the mask. That's typical Fauci behavior.

00:33:13.460 The good lie. It's like, OK, don't tell people that this this vaccine can harm you because that'll that'll prevent universal vax.

00:33:23.220 Oh, they're taking the negative reports like if they do a case study or a testing group and somebody has catastrophic results.

00:33:31.560 We had a guy on the show. They remove your data from from the testing circle and it doesn't wind up in some cases in the final reporting.

00:33:39.720 I mean, that's just dishonest. Let me shift gears with you, though, Peter, because I know you're you are an economist.

00:33:44.980 You're truly an expert when it comes to this stuff. And I look around now at the economy and it it seems to me that Joe Biden should have been,

00:33:51.680 you know, like like a racehorse running around the track, an easy glide to victory when he took office.

00:33:57.760 Right. Because we had the vaccine. The economy had been waiting, you know, had been chomping at the bit to get going again.

00:34:03.220 And it seemed like all you really had to do was let it, you know.

00:34:06.740 But that's not where we are. We had a disappointing jobs report.

00:34:11.060 We've got inflation, which even now the officials are saying is not transitory.

00:34:14.800 We're stuck with it for the foreseeable future. The supply chain crisis remains, though it's slightly improving.

00:34:20.720 And I wonder, what do you think his biggest errors have been that have put us in that place?

00:34:29.200 I'm one of only three senior officials in the Trump White House who was with the president all the way from 2016 during the campaign.

00:34:38.180 Yeah, it was you, Scavino. And who's who's the third person?

00:34:42.120 Miller and Scavino.

00:34:43.360 Yeah. So so why do I mention that is because when I was the president's top economic advisor in 2016, we had we had a mantra.

00:34:55.060 Right. I called it the four points of the policy compass to grow our economy.

00:35:00.860 Right. I I knew as a macroeconomist that Biden, Obama had been trying to spend their way at kind of Keynesian spending their way out of what was actually

00:35:12.800 a structural problem and it can't be done.

00:35:14.860 So Obama, Biden had had basically doubled the national debt from 10 to 20 trillion dollars, but without any noticeable impact on strong growth and wages.

00:35:25.460 We had stagnant growth. We had stagnant wages.

00:35:28.460 We got in there and it was like the mantra was, OK, corporate tax cuts, not to benefit the corporations, but to bring investment home.

00:35:36.320 It was deregulation. It was deregulation to make us more globally competitive.

00:35:40.640 It was energy independence and strategic energy dominance. And most important for me, it was the the the fair trade so we could reduce the trade deficit and bring our jobs home.

00:35:53.020 Those were four growth drivers we knew that would drive the economy.

00:35:57.020 And then once I got into the White House, the president, we added a couple of things.

00:36:03.480 One was certainly the buy American, hire American stuff, which was directly using executive orders to bring things here.

00:36:12.940 It was increased defense spending. And as part of that, arms transfers.

00:36:17.160 All of those things led to consistently beating the economic forecasts during the Trump administration.

00:36:25.480 Every year we will we grew faster than what the CBO said we were going to do.

00:36:29.900 And everybody's like scratching their heads. And I'm going, no, no, no, no.

00:36:32.840 These are structural changes. Now, to your point, to your question, when Biden came in,

00:36:38.880 he basically said about undoing every single one of those growth drivers in some way.

00:36:45.940 Certainly wants to raise taxes. Regulations have already gone up.

00:36:50.080 Our our our strategic energy dominance and energy independence is in shambles as our gas prices risen 60 percent on the trade issues.

00:37:01.300 He's back backpedaling there. The defense budget is screeched to a halt.

00:37:07.840 And so on that alone, you can't expect a good result if you're basically killing those growth drivers.

00:37:14.220 Now, on top of that, he's making some significant policy errors.

00:37:21.020 I mean, if you look for the universal vax policy, Megan, even if you support that from a health point of view,

00:37:29.860 you have to acknowledge that in a time where you have the worst labor market distortions we've ever seen and labor market shortages,

00:37:39.120 if you put a universal vax policy that's going to take some portion of longshoremen, truckers, pilots, food processors out of the workforce, 0.88

00:37:51.280 that is only going to exacerbate your supply chain problems.

00:37:55.380 And so on top of all this, of course, there is the fanning of inflation by all of this crazy trillion dollar upon trillion dollar Keynesian spending,

00:38:06.800 which is driving inflation up even as we're our growth is slowing down.

00:38:13.100 And, you know, I'm old enough to remember vividly the 1970s stagflation.

00:38:18.580 And we're basically set up with that kind of scenario again.

00:38:23.220 What about, you know, the Democrats would say Trump added seven point eight trillion to the debt when when he was in office with his tax cuts.

00:38:32.160 And then, you know, the pandemic hit, which didn't help.

00:38:35.160 But they you know, it's not exactly like Trump was not a spender. 0.62

00:38:38.480 He, too, was a was a spender not to excuse Obama before him or Biden after Biden's just I mean, Biden's gone crazy with our money.

00:38:45.460 But what do you make of that? Because that's I think that's a fair criticism that Trump spent a lot to.

00:38:49.480 What do you say? Well, let's let's break that down.

00:38:52.680 We spent a lot more on defense guilty as charged.

00:38:57.540 But we were in a situation where our combat readiness was really in a very compromised position.

00:39:04.840 And part of the Trump doctrine was peace through strength.

00:39:08.000 And I think increasing the defense budget was was important.

00:39:12.300 I think that when when the pandemic hit, we were in the fog of war.

00:39:21.440 And I think a lot of the money early that was spent was simply trying to fill kind of the what we call in economics, the recessionary gap from from basically locking everybody down.

00:39:33.520 So I don't think I don't think that was money poorly spent.

00:39:38.080 But what we've done now is is we've become, at least on the Democrat side, desensitized to the longer run implications of government spending.

00:39:50.080 And a lot of the spending we're doing now doesn't have the kind of target that we had in the Trump administration, which was to create jobs here, particularly blue collar manufacturing job.

00:40:03.380 Instead, a lot of it is kind of pie in the sky and progressive redistribution.

00:40:08.640 A lot of the green energy things are actually going to benefit China where all the batteries are made and things like that.

00:40:16.100 So, sure, I mean, I understand that critique, but we are we are just in another dimension with the kind of money that they're getting ready to spend with this in this last round.

00:40:28.980 And that one, I think, Megan, could be the straw that breaks the stagflationary back if they have their way.

00:40:36.720 And, you know, shame on Mitch McConnell for facilitating that.

00:40:40.120 I mean, I just that that is just inexcusable.

00:40:42.980 It's inexcusable him and he and Kevin McCarthy simply do not belong as leadership of a Republican party that is that is committed to to fiscally conservative, sensibly economic policies.

00:40:56.660 Well, we've gotten away from that.

00:40:58.240 I remember back when I was young at Fox, it was like the Republicans.

00:41:00.900 George W. Bush was talking a lot and the Tea Party was born, you know, sort of tighten the purse strings and watch out and don't saddle our kids with his debt.

00:41:08.120 And then then the Republicans went silent on that.

00:41:11.460 And so did the Democrats.

00:41:12.360 And those of us who have the purse in the wallet were saying, hey, where are advocates?

00:41:16.480 I want to talk to you about the Chinese Olympics, because, as I mentioned at the top there, there's now a push.

00:41:23.720 Now the Biden administration says we're going to do a diplomatic boycott, which means we're not going to send any politicians to the Beijing Olympics.

00:41:29.120 Olympics, in response to which the world said, yawn, who cares?

00:41:32.360 No one wanted our diplomats there anyway.

00:41:34.920 And of course, the Chinese pulled their typical like, you can't quit. 1.00

00:41:37.300 We fire you or, you know, you can't fire us.

00:41:38.680 We quit.

00:41:39.180 We didn't want you anyway.

00:41:41.460 I see the debate.

00:41:42.640 Right.

00:41:42.880 The athletes train for their whole lives for this moment.

00:41:44.780 But you tell me, Peter, like if you were in the White House advising the sitting president, would you push for a full boycott?

00:41:51.480 Because, you know, on the one hand, it's the only thing that's going to make an impact.

00:41:55.280 But on the other, it also has a very negative impact on our athletes.

00:41:59.600 No question.

00:42:00.300 I'd push for a full boycott.

00:42:02.680 If you go back to the 2008 Beijing Olympics and simply look at the boost that gave to communist China in the world, you understand the political significance of holding these Olympics.

00:42:19.640 And now if you fast forward to 2020, I mean, let's think about everything communist China has done and is doing, not just to the United States, to the world. 0.89

00:42:31.320 Let's start with the pandemic.

00:42:33.220 I mean, one of the things I might go in into the Oval Office and say to the boss, hey, let's boycott the Olympics until China comes clean about the Wuhan virus here. 0.61

00:42:44.780 That would be enough right there because they're never going to come clean.

00:42:50.740 But so China attacks us with a deadly pandemic, kills over 700,000 Americans, destroys our economy. 0.86

00:42:57.720 And we're going to the Olympics?

00:42:59.360 I don't think so.

00:43:00.420 China puts over two million, over two million Uyghurs into concentration camps in Xinjiang province.

00:43:08.920 And Megan, you know, the healthiest people in those prison camps are the people who are going to be used for, you know, illegal organ transplants.

00:43:19.420 Those people, this is very well documented by human rights advocates.

00:43:27.440 Those people who are unwilling organ donors will be stripped of their organs while they're alive, anesthetized, and then just literally burned.

00:43:37.560 I mean, I've heard about the horrors in the Uyghur concentration camps.

00:43:43.560 I've heard about forced sterilization, brutal beatings, and related torture.

00:43:48.120 I have not heard about any of what you just said.

00:43:50.960 That is unconfirmed.

00:43:52.480 Yeah, what's troubling about this, and I know you're on the YouTube channel, so let me recommend my Death by China movie that came out like in 2012.

00:44:02.580 It was an award-winning film.

00:44:05.580 There's an extended segment in there about how the Chinese communists traffic in organ transplants.

00:44:16.420 It's one of their business models.

00:44:18.460 People come in from Europe and elsewhere.

00:44:20.800 You know, you need a lever, you need a heart, you need a cornea.

00:44:23.220 And they've got very extended medical records.

00:44:28.120 At the time, it was the Falun Gong.

00:44:30.540 And they would keep those people healthy, right?

00:44:33.660 No, it's brutal.

00:44:35.560 But my point here, when you ask about the Olympics, so there's that.

00:44:39.480 There's the matter of Hong Kong.

00:44:41.140 Look, Hong Kong would not be under the jackboot of communist China today if not for the pandemic.

00:44:48.280 Why do I say that?

00:44:49.320 It's like the protesters were holding the jackboots at bay because they were out in the streets whenever they had to be. 0.85

00:44:57.000 The pandemic allowed the communists to lock them up.

00:45:00.640 Hong Kong fell.

00:45:01.740 So we got Hong Kong.

00:45:03.500 We got the Uyghurs. 1.00

00:45:04.680 We got the evasion of this.

00:45:06.160 We've got the Chinese communist military basically sending planes over the Strait of Taiwan to try to coerce one of the finest democracies in the world to submit to the jackboots of China. 0.53

00:45:22.920 And look, here's the thing, Megan.

00:45:24.840 When I was in the White House, one of my key missions was to deal with what I called a Chris Wallace throwdown, China's seven deadly sins. 1.00

00:45:36.460 These are the seven acts of economic aggression that continue to this day, right?

00:45:42.440 And it's the forced technology transfer, the cyber theft.

00:45:46.440 It's the hacking of our computers, the dumping into our markets.

00:45:50.260 It's the state-owned enterprises, the currency manipulation.

00:45:53.800 And yeah, they kill over 50,000 Americans a year with their deadly fentanyl.

00:45:59.220 So, I mean, look.

00:46:01.460 When you lay it out like that, the case seems pretty clear.

00:46:04.660 Yeah.

00:46:04.860 I mean, what are we doing, Megan?

00:46:07.480 What are we doing?

00:46:08.320 And the only reason why we don't take a tough stand on them is because corporate America continues to somehow think that they're going to be able to go over to that market and make a few bucks.

00:46:20.480 And to them, I say two letters, G-E, right?

00:46:26.180 General Electric.

00:46:27.180 You know, you can go back not too far when General Electric under Jack Welch was like the tip, the top of the corporate chain.

00:46:38.820 I mean, they were like kings of the world.

00:46:40.820 What did they do?

00:46:41.460 They went over to China thinking that they could conquer that market.

00:46:45.220 And then, you know, they came back a pale shell.

00:46:47.560 Yeah.

00:46:48.040 Having learned a lesson.

00:46:49.240 So, yeah.

00:46:49.780 Hell yeah.

00:46:50.640 We continue to learn at every level.

00:46:53.360 All right, Peter.

00:46:53.880 I got to run, but I appreciate you coming on.

00:46:56.920 Don't forget, his book is In Trump Time.

00:47:00.280 Always entertaining.

00:47:01.200 Always interesting to listen to you, Peter.

00:47:03.120 We appreciate you coming on.

00:47:04.160 Thanks for the time today, Megan.

00:47:05.720 And remember, everybody, you can find The Megan Kelly Show live on Sirius XM Triumph Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

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00:47:16.640 If you prefer an audio podcast, simply subscribe and download for free on Apple, Spotify, Pandora or Stitcher.

00:47:26.920 It's time for another edition of one of our feature segments on the show called Thanks, But No Thanks.

00:47:35.460 This is a feature where we say thanks, but no thanks to some absurd new talking point making news in the world.

00:47:41.320 Today, we're looking at the word Latinx.

00:47:44.260 Or is it Latinx?

00:47:45.340 Either way, there are a lot of woke politicians using that word these days and diversity, equity and inclusion types devoted to making that word a thing.

00:47:55.440 You see, Latino Americans was a way to refer to a group of people.

00:47:59.520 But Latino is a masculine word.

00:48:01.480 What about the Latinas?

00:48:02.960 Wouldn't they feel left out?

00:48:04.400 Enter Latinx. 0.99

00:48:05.740 At least that's what we think was behind its creation.

00:48:09.880 So what do Hispanic Americans or those Americans of Latin descent think of Latinx?

00:48:15.340 According to a new poll of 800 people conducted by a democratic firm last month, a grand total of 2% actually refer to themselves as Latinx or Latinx.

00:48:26.920 That would be 16 people out of the 800.

00:48:28.880 Meantime, 68% use the term Hispanic and 21% use the term Latino or Latina.

00:48:36.520 But here is the real problem for the Dems.

00:48:38.740 Out of those polled, 40% say they're actually offended or bothered by the term Latinx.

00:48:45.400 40%!

00:48:46.480 30% said they would be less likely to support a politician if that politician uses the term.

00:48:52.860 Bad news for AOC who loves dropping Latinx on Twitter.

00:48:56.900 But it's not just AOC.

00:48:58.500 No, according to a Pew Research Center report last year, nearly half of all Democratic lawmakers in Congress have used the term Latinx on social media.

00:49:07.980 And they should be shamed compared to just one tiny percent of the Republican politicians.

00:49:13.220 Would you like to see what it looks like when an old Democratic politician uses the term?

00:49:17.640 Let's watch President Biden struggle to explain why Black Americans and Hispanic Americans aren't getting vaccinated at higher rates from June.

00:49:25.260 There's a reason why it's been harder to get African Americans initially to get vaccinated because they're used to being experimented on.

00:49:34.400 The Tuskegee Airmen and others.

00:49:37.400 People have memories.

00:49:39.580 People have long memories.

00:49:41.760 It's awful hard as well to get Latinx vaccinated as well.

00:49:47.680 Why?

00:49:48.880 They're worried that they'll be vaccinated and deported.

00:49:52.300 What?

00:49:53.100 Does he have any idea what he's saying?

00:49:55.840 The pollster who led outreach to Hispanics for Barack Obama summed it out, quote,

00:50:00.280 Why are we using a word that is preferred by only two percent but offends as many as 40 percent of those voters we want to win?

00:50:07.800 Good question, sir or ma'am. 0.92

00:50:10.280 GOP politicians winning Hispanic American votes in greater numbers than ever before might be saying thanks for this dumb tactic. 0.87

00:50:18.060 But for most of America, the response to Latinx is thanks, but no thanks. 0.88

00:50:23.580 We'll be right back.

00:50:24.260 Joining me now, Dana Lash, host of The Dana Show on Radio America, No Apologies on The First TV, and author of the new children's book, Paws Off My Canon.

00:50:40.480 Dana, so good to have you here.

00:50:41.520 How are you?

00:50:42.280 Good to be with you, Megan.

00:50:43.420 Good to talk with you.

00:50:44.420 I know I miss seeing you.

00:50:45.840 We used to have our, you know, semi-biannual or I guess bi-weekly gigs on The Kelly File and my show before that.

00:50:52.320 And I always love having you.

00:50:53.460 Yeah, it was good.

00:50:54.820 And we saw you at your book launch in New York, and you were so kind.

00:50:59.240 So it was good to see you.

00:51:00.800 And congrats on all your success.

00:51:03.040 It's awesome to see you.

00:51:04.360 You too, lady.

00:51:05.320 Dana is one of America's most loved women, but she also has a husband who's almost as awesome as you are. 0.96

00:51:11.800 Almost as awesome.

00:51:12.640 I'm going to give him that.

00:51:14.960 He's pretty great.

00:51:17.000 And he's the one who made you a Republican.

00:51:18.640 I actually didn't know that.

00:51:19.560 I didn't know that you grew up a Democrat until I was getting ready for this interview.

00:51:23.460 Yeah, he, he, we used to argue.

00:51:25.900 I think actually it was the, it was the birth of my first son that ultimately kind of did it, that did it.

00:51:31.380 And because when 9-11 happened, I had a, you know, four month old, almost five month old sitting in the living room floor and his little bouncy seat.

00:51:38.980 And we were watching the buildings come down on television.

00:51:42.740 And it was just very surreal.

00:51:44.300 And you just have one of those gut check moments.

00:51:46.060 Like, what did I just bring my kid into?

00:51:47.700 What kind of world are we living in right now?

00:51:50.140 But yeah, we argued like cats and dogs.

00:51:52.300 It's weird because I was never, I was never a Democrat by any measure of the word Democrat today.

00:51:58.100 I was never that kind of Democrat.

00:51:59.820 I guess you could at the time say I was just a moderate, but my whole family were, they were all Democrats.

00:52:05.160 I didn't meet a Republican until I went to college and my family kind of laughed and said, I went to the big city and got brainwashed when usually it's supposed to be the other way around.

00:52:14.340 You know, like you leave and you go to college, you go to the big city, and then you become a liberal and kind of the opposite happened.

00:52:20.000 But my whole family, they were all Democrats and mostly still are.

00:52:24.660 So it was, yeah, it was very, it was very weird.

00:52:27.380 It was a very weird time in 9-11 and having my first child just totally cemented it.

00:52:32.480 Yeah, I know.

00:52:33.040 We can all look back at those key moments in our lives where we were exposed to a different point of view that made us at least more fair and balanced, to steal a phrase, when it comes to looking at politics.

00:52:42.580 And if you haven't had such an experience, I recommend you exposing yourself to different viewpoints, which you're probably doing by listening to this show if you're a liberal or a dem.

00:52:51.700 Okay, I want to start with this.

00:52:52.900 You are a true expert on guns.

00:52:54.760 You know, we're a spokesperson for the NRA for many years and somebody whose information I really trust because you know the laws, you know the evolution, you know all the arguments.

00:53:03.680 So I wanted, you were the first person I wanted to talk to with this school shooter whose name we're not saying, but he's at this, he was at this Oxford High School in a suburb of Detroit, opened fire at the school.

00:53:13.040 She fired 30 shots, four students were killed, six others injured.

00:53:17.640 And of course he's been charged as he should be.

00:53:20.380 But the turn of charging his parents is really interesting to me.

00:53:27.520 They're basically trying to say the parents knew that he was a potential problem when they bought him the gun not long before this incident and that they knew or had reason to know that he was a likely school shooter so they shouldn't have done that.

00:53:40.040 What do you make of it?

00:53:40.720 Yeah, this is a really, this is such a heartbreaking case and it's so, it's frustrating, especially with when the parents apparently, I guess after the prosecutor had the press conference and announced that they were going to bring charges to the parents, apparently they didn't tell the sheriff for them to get the parents in custody.

00:53:56.380 So the parents hightailed it out of there and there was something like, I guess they were going to take money out at $4,000 out of an ATM and then they were a couple of hours away from the Canadian border.

00:54:04.880 So I try to, I'm trying to separate all the different parts of the story because while some things are related, one thing does not necessitate or justify one particular charge or, you know, one way of the prosecutors approaching the case.

00:54:18.360 So the parents to me, I mean, on a personal level, and I don't know what I think about these parents.

00:54:23.380 I mean, if you, if you realize that there's something going on with your child, I'm so involved in my kids' lives.

00:54:28.320 I can imagine not knowing, I mean, when, I mean, my kids have phones, but they're not my children's phones.

00:54:33.140 They're my phones.

00:54:33.900 And if I want to check my phone and look at what your friends are saying on my phone, I will go in and check it any time of the day, any point, anywhere.

00:54:40.440 And if they don't like it, they can go and they can buy their own phone, pay their own bills.

00:54:43.760 They can be completely financially self-sufficient and they don't have to worry about oversight from the dictatorship that is mom, because this is not a democracy.

00:54:52.380 It is a dictatorship.

00:54:53.740 And so I can't imagine not knowing.

00:54:58.120 And when I looked at the charges that the prosecutor was bringing, what I thought was interesting was that it was manslaughter charges.

00:55:05.440 Now, there are negligence laws in every single state in the union that address situations like this.

00:55:11.320 You know, for instance, if you have parents that, you know, they give their keys to their car to their child and their child is inebriated and they drive and they cause an accident.

00:55:19.820 I mean, there's some there's some culpability there under certain state laws with negligence, et cetera.

00:55:25.440 But from negligence to manslaughter is a very interesting escalation.

00:55:30.120 And I don't know what all the prosecutor is looking at because they haven't made every single thing public.

00:55:36.320 We just know a few things.

00:55:37.960 But we also know that there are separate from the tragedy and the awfulness that happened and separate from, you know, using common sense as parenting.

00:55:45.340 Are we really going to go to that that new level where we are upping from negligence to manslaughter?

00:55:53.760 Because there are a lot of things that are going to fall under that umbrella that will affect people who do not own firearms and people who do not ever plan to own firearms.

00:56:02.400 And so that's kind of what I'm paying attention to, that precedent that may or may not be established.

00:56:06.900 And additionally, I mean, that's a case that the prosecutor is going to have to make.

00:56:11.060 I mean, if you're going all the way up to manslaughter, there are instances and you know this with your with your legal background, Megan, that where prosecutors will bring, Diaz will bring charges and maybe they're they're not able to prove them.

00:56:22.780 They bring the strongest charge possible, but they're not able to prove it.

00:56:25.800 And so they end up, you know, the suspect ends up walking because the state kind of overshot their mark.

00:56:31.280 Yeah. And I don't know if that's the situation here or if this is a criminal case against the parents.

00:56:37.240 I think the parents can be sued 100 percent, but I just don't see this as a criminal case against the parents.

00:56:44.420 What I've seen so far is parents making irresponsible decisions and ignoring what may have been warning signs.

00:56:50.700 I don't know until you get to the day in question.

00:56:53.080 All I've seen in terms of prior to that day, and as you point out, there may be much more, but prior to that day, what I see is parents who bought their son, who we now know had severe mental problems.

00:57:03.240 Obviously, you don't shoot up a school if you don't a gun that they celebrated it on social media.

00:57:09.800 I mean, it's OK. That's there's nothing wrong with doing that in the abstract and that when he got in trouble for looking at ammo on his phone at school, his mother, rather than reprimanding him, said, LOL, I'm not mad at you.

00:57:24.140 Just don't let them catch you. That to me sounds like a mother who enjoys guns and doesn't and wants her son to understand that they can be fun, you know, used properly.

00:57:32.920 They can be, you know, an entertaining sort of pastime. And I don't I didn't draw any terrible conclusions from her not getting upset that he was looking at pictures of ammo on his phone.

00:57:42.540 If you're in gun enthusiast family, that's not unusual. That's not some weird thing. That doesn't necessarily mean you're a school shooter.

00:57:48.920 It's the other stuff that came later from what I've gathered so far, like the note that he was caught writing in class saying, you know, I want to find the quotes because I don't want to.

00:57:59.640 It says, basically, now I become death, destroyer of worlds. See you tomorrow, Oxford.

00:58:07.840 OK, that was that was something he posted. And then in the class, he got really dark and talked about how depressed he was.

00:58:15.400 And it's clearly suggested he might shoot people. And at that point, the parents were called in and did not want him pulled out of school.

00:58:22.860 That was a mistake. But but the theory, Dana, that these parents are so culpable, they they sat there with the school believing he was about to shoot people and said, keep him in school.

00:58:34.060 Keep him. Keep him here. I don't buy that. They I don't believe these parents understood what they were dealing with.

00:58:39.480 And clearly the school didn't either. The school clearly didn't.

00:58:43.420 I mean, when they when the parents are there at the school and they're talking about the kids behavior and any kind of concerns they may have and they don't check his backpack.

00:58:50.340 And then three hours later, three hours later, this awfulness happens.

00:58:54.020 I mean, to me, I think I think ultimately it all starts in the home and parents should be aware.

00:58:59.440 And that's I don't. And I think anyone listening would know that you and I are not disputing that.

00:59:03.700 But you made a really good point when he was looking at ammo in class.

00:59:06.380 Oh, my gosh. If people saw my search results, it's ammo, dog sweaters, it's holsters.

00:59:13.780 It's a bunch of weird stuff that doesn't make any sense.

00:59:16.400 Algorithms hate me. And they're like, why is she why is she looking for this now?

00:59:20.540 Like, I can't go anywhere without an ad popping up for a holster because I was looking for an inside appendix carry inside the waistband holster.

00:59:26.800 Specific kind for a specific caliber.

00:59:29.640 And now I see them everywhere after I bought it, which is weird.

00:59:32.700 But I mean, that that doesn't make somebody a criminal and it doesn't make it doesn't make them weird.

00:59:37.980 It doesn't make them a criminal. And especially with ammo scarcity right now.

00:59:40.980 I mean, yeah, everybody and their brother is looking for this stuff.

00:59:43.440 But you make a good point in that I I don't know what the parents knew, whether or not that excuses them from responsibility.

00:59:50.780 I'm sure is going to be determined in court.

00:59:52.480 But I just get really nervous when we start a yoking people with the responsibility of somebody else's criminal actions,

00:59:59.820 because there comes a time when you are you are responsible for your own actions and criminal or innocent.

01:00:06.740 And you have to bear the consequence for that.

01:00:09.160 And I think of this, the established the precedent that that could establish with this.

01:00:13.920 So, yeah, it sounds like the parents, you know, it sounds like she, you know, they were firearms enthusiasts and he shared that with them.

01:00:20.100 But what broke what happened?

01:00:21.940 And that's something that I think we should be examining, maybe even more, more than the fact that he was like Googling for for ammo and during class.

01:00:29.840 The mental health breakdown is what we need to focus in on.

01:00:33.700 What did they know about that? Because clearly you should not buy a firearm for a teenage boy or or anybody, but especially a 15 year old kid.

01:00:40.340 If, you know, he's got mental problems. I mean, that that seems pretty clear.

01:00:44.700 People are upset, Dana, that he that the weapon wasn't locked up.

01:00:47.700 And I guess Michigan doesn't require that.

01:00:50.700 So I don't know that that's going to be the basis for, you know, criminal charges.

01:00:54.860 But even last night, I saw some friends and these are, you know, sort of more left leaning New York, you know, liberals.

01:01:01.340 And they were like, that gun should have been locked up.

01:01:04.280 There should be laws that the gun should be locked up. 0.78

01:01:05.880 You know, and I wonder what you think of that, whether there should be they should change the law.

01:01:10.340 And how is it that a 15 year old who may have been exhibiting mental health issues can get a gun?

01:01:17.320 Yeah, well, I'm against storage laws.

01:01:19.840 I'm against any kind of like the New York, New York past New York safe act.

01:01:23.280 The man and there's a lot of other things that go along with that.

01:01:25.600 I'm against storage laws because I think, well, who's going to enforce that?

01:01:28.740 If you're if you're establishing a storage law, mandatory storage law,

01:01:32.500 is the state going to send an agent to come in and inspect and make sure who first off, who defines what is or is not safe storage?

01:01:38.640 And then secondly, who's going to come and make sure that your storage meets state's expectations for responsibility or their legally defined responsibility?

01:01:47.860 I don't like leaving that up into the up into the hands of a government that I think is more irresponsible than I am.

01:01:53.540 And people and I and especially government bureaucrats who I think know less about firearms and firearm storage than we do.

01:02:02.160 We have like, for instance, in my home, I have a number of safes in my home.

01:02:06.140 I have a giant safe in my closet.

01:02:08.160 I'm not going to say where all of them are because I feel like it's like giving out my my alarm code.

01:02:11.840 But I have a ton of safes all around my house.

01:02:14.720 I have some biometric stuff.

01:02:16.160 I have some regular old timey safes.

01:02:18.320 I keep I keep my firearms just because I like everything to be organized and orderly and because I maybe will have a different EDC everyday everyday carry, depending on what what I'm wearing.

01:02:28.700 Ladies carry a little differently than the men do. 1.00

01:02:30.880 You know, we don't wear jackets all the time.

01:02:33.300 And so I like to carry a little bit differently.

01:02:35.320 But I like everything organized.

01:02:36.700 I like to know where everything is.

01:02:38.180 I like the parents who are not like you.

01:02:40.860 You are responsible with your weapons.

01:02:42.840 I know that. 0.99

01:02:43.520 But what about, you know, like the dumbasses who get a gun and, you know, there should be a law. 1.00

01:02:48.300 This is the argument, right? 0.99

01:02:49.060 Like there should be a law so their gun's not sitting out there so the toddler doesn't walk by.

01:02:52.960 Forget the teenager who's planning a shooting.

01:02:55.320 Right.

01:02:55.700 I can see that.

01:02:56.540 Why?

01:02:56.880 Why?

01:02:57.060 You'd have to say, yo, madam, that needs to be locked up at all times.

01:03:01.280 OK, madam, you got it.

01:03:03.140 Like, why?

01:03:04.160 Why would we not want one want that?

01:03:06.700 And this is I.

01:03:07.780 And again, I well, I'm I'm just against the state mandating storage laws when it comes to parents

01:03:12.700 who, like, say, parents, new parents and they want to get their first firearm and they have

01:03:16.360 a toddler in the home.

01:03:17.820 Parents, just like they teach their kids not to run out in the middle of the street, not

01:03:21.140 to touch a hot pot.

01:03:22.220 You need to also teach your your children.

01:03:24.640 Look, this is a danger.

01:03:25.660 This is a dangerous instrument.

01:03:27.280 It's it can it can be used for defensive purposes.

01:03:30.100 But this you can't.

01:03:31.160 There's no there's no delete.

01:03:32.400 There's no backspace key on this.

01:03:33.900 Once this is squeezed, once this trigger is pulled, what is done is done.

01:03:37.420 And you cannot take that back.

01:03:38.980 And that's a lesson that kids used to be raised with.

01:03:41.640 I mean, in my home, we didn't when I was growing up, we didn't lock up any of our guns.

01:03:45.120 We my mom had a 38 air weight or a 38 special that she kept in her nightstand drawer.

01:03:49.520 My grandpa had rifles in his house.

01:03:51.060 But the thing is, is the deterrent of getting caught scared me more than what would happen

01:03:56.280 if I actually behaved with a firearm irresponsibly, because my my mom and my family made no bones

01:04:02.620 about it. 0.99

01:04:03.020 I would get my ass beat if I had touched that gun. 1.00

01:04:05.940 If I had acted in an irresponsible manner, they would whip me in out in the middle of the 1.00

01:04:10.340 street for the entire town to see.

01:04:12.300 And that was not something that I was willing to mess around with because it's a serious,

01:04:15.880 very sobering lesson.

01:04:17.800 And that's a lesson that parents they parents need to not shove off responsibility for that.

01:04:22.480 You they have to take responsibility for that as well.

01:04:24.760 And even if they don't have firearms in the home, I still think that parents need to educate

01:04:29.340 their kids and eliminate that curiosity because kids, they're going to go look at something

01:04:33.500 and inspect it if they're curious about it.

01:04:35.560 If they know what it is and parents have instructed them, then they know better to they know not

01:04:40.480 to touch it.

01:04:41.000 They know if someone that they are with and they're in their kid group is behaving irresponsibly

01:04:45.220 with something that they found, if they found a parent's firearm somewhere, then the child

01:04:49.320 knows that they need to go and tell somebody because that's exactly right.

01:04:52.300 So this is what my friends were asking me.

01:04:53.540 They're like, don't but don't you live in fear that one of your kids is going to go over

01:04:56.880 to a friend's house and they're going to take out a gun.

01:04:59.340 And, you know, the friend like this is mom's gun or this is dad's gun and something terrible

01:05:03.620 is going to happen.

01:05:04.280 And I said, I of course, I don't want that to happen.

01:05:06.440 But I don't live in fear of that because I know if that were to happen to one of my

01:05:11.180 children, they'd say that's not safe.

01:05:12.840 Put that away.

01:05:13.580 We should not be touching that.

01:05:14.920 I mean, that's parenting, right?

01:05:16.720 It's called parenting to do the same way they learn.

01:05:18.860 Don't don't put your hand on the hot stove.

01:05:20.660 Don't stick your boot in the fire.

01:05:22.520 You know, there's don't have fun with that butcher knife. 1.00

01:05:25.740 You know, there's certain things we have to teach them and eat whether you have a firearm

01:05:28.980 or not.

01:05:29.900 Firearm safety is important.

01:05:31.120 But what we're already hearing now is.

01:05:34.320 The United States has too many guns.

01:05:37.020 You could never unleash carnage like this if you were in England where they, you know,

01:05:42.480 they don't have guns, even the even the police officers over there don't have guns.

01:05:45.840 And so really what what we're seeing here is this is gun culture and guns are the problem.

01:05:50.940 Your thoughts on it.

01:05:53.020 I don't I think it's criminal culture.

01:05:54.560 It's not gun culture.

01:05:55.720 It's a criminal culture.

01:05:56.600 And whenever we're compared with, you know, whenever we're compared with Britain or other

01:06:00.640 countries, I mean, when you look at when you look at some of the violent crime rates in

01:06:04.080 Britain and you look at the violent crime rates in the United States per capita and

01:06:07.340 you adjust those numbers to our population, the arguments don't the arguments don't hold.

01:06:14.240 And in the United States, the conversation always focuses on the bad that is done with

01:06:19.200 firearms.

01:06:19.840 No one talks about which I think it's fair to include this when especially when these lawmakers

01:06:24.780 bring it up, people have to talk about defensive gun usage because defensive gun usage.

01:06:29.140 There's more there are more good people out there who responsibly use their firearms to protect

01:06:33.920 themselves, protect their loved ones without and most without ever pulling the trigger,

01:06:39.240 without ever squeezing the trigger, more so than the criminal illegal illegally possessed

01:06:43.740 criminal actions that are taken with these inanimate objects.

01:06:46.580 But that's never brought up in this never brought up along with this conversation because they

01:06:52.460 don't want to address that.

01:06:53.840 They don't want to address the fact that firearms are used more for good than not.

01:06:57.220 There have been a number of criminal researchers.

01:06:58.960 And I think the first to really tackle this was Gary Cleck, who's a Democrat.

01:07:03.420 Gary Cleck's a lifelong Democrat.

01:07:05.020 He's down in Florida.

01:07:06.180 He's a criminal researcher.

01:07:07.480 He just likes fact and reason.

01:07:09.600 He just he actually follows science.

01:07:11.460 And he's been working on on this.

01:07:13.760 He's he's researched criminal activity and firearms and for decades and decades and other

01:07:19.400 criminal researchers.

01:07:20.280 They've tried to tear them apart.

01:07:21.700 They've been unsuccessful.

01:07:23.180 There have been other people in his field that have also gone and looked at this with

01:07:26.780 their own independent analysis.

01:07:28.440 And one thing that everybody agrees on is that defensive gun usage just it's it vastly outweighs

01:07:34.420 the number of instances that criminals are using firearms.

01:07:37.840 Now, when I look at that context, that's responsible usage, that's gun culture.

01:07:42.520 If we're looking at the majority of actions that are taken with firearms, that is gun culture.

01:07:46.500 Gun culture is responsible handling. 1.00

01:07:48.840 Gun culture is this is a defensive tool. 0.83

01:07:51.400 And that's that's that's how I've always looked at it.

01:07:54.420 That's how I was raised with it.

01:07:55.620 And I don't know anyone that doesn't look at it that way.

01:07:57.880 But what we do have and I know, Megan, you've talked about this a lot, is a criminal culture

01:08:02.580 in this country.

01:08:03.320 We have this rot in our judicial system where we have district attorneys that or and that 1.00

01:08:08.960 will either drop charges, prosecutors drop charges against repeat offenders, especially

01:08:14.800 if it's a felony gun charge.

01:08:15.940 And Chicago ranks like one of the top cities for doing this.

01:08:19.280 And this was something that their police officers have called out because you you basically have

01:08:23.300 the same group of criminals driving the homicide rate and police just keep going out and catching

01:08:27.720 the same guys over and over again, only for a judge to allow them to plead down to nothing

01:08:32.020 or a prosecutor to drop the charges.

01:08:35.280 And that's that's the ultimate issue here.

01:08:37.180 We can look at every single one of these of these these cities that have these high crime

01:08:41.760 rates right now.

01:08:42.620 And my city is St. Louis, St. Louis City.

01:08:44.440 There was an instance of a teenage boy who ended up being shot and killed by police not

01:08:49.460 too far from where we used to live in the city.

01:08:51.840 He was a repeat offender.

01:08:52.960 He had led police on a high speed chase just the summer before and he jumped out, had thrown

01:08:57.960 the gun out and he was supposed to be on house arrest and he wasn't.

01:09:01.480 He was or sorry, curfew.

01:09:04.040 He's supposed to have a curfew, but he was out after curfew.

01:09:06.500 Plainclothes officer was in this in an area that had high drug activity, sees this young

01:09:11.600 man who's out of his house, should be inside his house. 0.93

01:09:14.680 He runs some other people in the party, fire at the officer.

01:09:17.440 The officer returns fire and kills the young man.

01:09:20.040 And this kid was not even 19 years old yet.

01:09:22.220 He would still be alive had he actually still been in jail.

01:09:25.180 But the judge allowed him to just basically walk with that one percent bond.

01:09:29.520 Yeah, we've seen it time after time.

01:09:32.460 Obviously, the most recent was in Waukesha, Wisconsin, where this guy not having a gun,

01:09:36.600 just having a truck, which can do a lot of damage, ran over the grandmothers and the 1.00

01:09:40.920 children and, you know, an eight year old died and all these grandmas died and the media

01:09:46.200 moved on because it didn't fit any one of their favorite narratives.

01:09:49.320 I want to close out by saying this.

01:09:52.000 One of the things I learned that NBC wasn't all bad.

01:09:55.380 And one of the things I learned in my segments there was had on all these moms of would be 0.99

01:10:03.580 school shooters.

01:10:04.460 I mean, these are moms who were saying my kid is the next school shooter.

01:10:09.220 It was the most powerful thing I did when I was there.

01:10:11.860 I'll never forget them.

01:10:12.960 And these were parents who recognized their children were unwell, that they were sociopaths.

01:10:18.820 And their biggest complaint was there's nowhere to put them.

01:10:24.260 If they haven't yet committed a crime, we can't get them in the criminal justice system

01:10:28.280 and get them locked up.

01:10:29.540 Nor can a sociopath be therapized out of sociopathy.

01:10:34.260 And so they're stuck and the other children and their families are stuck living with this

01:10:41.020 disturbed, dangerous individual.

01:10:43.880 And my biggest takeaway, having done a bunch of research and a bunch of shows on it was

01:10:47.740 we need a facility in this country.

01:10:51.860 There's one, but it's not very good.

01:10:53.600 But we need a facility in this country that a loving parent would put their child in who

01:11:00.320 hasn't yet committed a crime, but is likely to, who doesn't belong on the streets, but

01:11:06.240 would never be locked up by a judge.

01:11:08.700 Something it had, the child had to be under 18, obviously, or if they're over 18, you could

01:11:12.140 petition for it.

01:11:12.860 But we need a place that even a loving parent would say, I could put my kid there.

01:11:16.740 It's not going to be horrible.

01:11:18.000 But for the good of society, this kid needs to be locked up.

01:11:22.140 It wouldn't have helped in this case because these parents obviously were buying the kid

01:11:25.060 a gun and celebrating his love of ammo and so on.

01:11:27.700 But in many of the cases, it would.

01:11:30.320 It would have.

01:11:31.600 So anyway, I'm going to steal a final word on it and more on that as the show goes on

01:11:36.260 because I'm trying to round back to that.

01:11:38.060 Up next, I'm going to talk to Dana about Alec Baldwin to see what happened with him when

01:11:41.940 he was confronted by the New York Post reporter and Dana's new children's book, which kind

01:11:46.160 of ties in with everything we're talking about.

01:11:48.220 Don't go away.

01:11:53.540 Okay, Alec Baldwin in the news for that awful situation on the set of that movie, Rust.

01:11:58.460 Um, he is, you know, he gave this interview to George Stephanopoulos a week ago.

01:12:04.480 Mistake.

01:12:05.200 Just be quiet.

01:12:06.000 Just let figure out what's going to happen.

01:12:08.040 You don't want to be charged criminally.

01:12:09.640 They haven't ruled you out.

01:12:10.960 Just be quiet.

01:12:12.000 There's plenty of time for a PR tour later.

01:12:13.980 Of course, he wasn't quiet.

01:12:14.960 But, um, then he got confronted by New York Post reporter John Levine.

01:12:19.640 Apparently what I read is he was going, Alec was going into the home of Woody Allen.

01:12:23.400 I guess he's staying at Woody Allen's townhouse.

01:12:25.560 I was like, so many stories culminating together.

01:12:29.500 Um, Alex Bennett, a bunch of Woody movies.

01:12:31.780 Anyway, watch what happened.

01:12:32.980 He's on the itch.

01:12:34.120 Wait, Mr. Baldwin, I have to ask you, what brings you to New York City?

01:12:37.500 I asked you to leave.

01:12:39.940 Mr. Baldwin, why, who, who's, who's here?

01:12:42.340 I asked you to go away.

01:12:45.020 Please go away.

01:12:46.000 Can I have a photograph under somebody's private home?

01:12:47.680 This is not, this is not in my bedroom.

01:12:49.160 Are you, this is not, this is public property.

01:12:52.080 Please go away.

01:12:52.900 Who's here?

01:12:54.200 Did you really not pull the trigger?

01:12:57.040 Come, come, come, come, come, come, come, come, come, come.

01:12:59.060 Do you believe it went off without you pulling the trigger?

01:13:01.380 Was it a malfunction?

01:13:02.180 He's trying to fix you up.

01:13:03.360 All right.

01:13:07.680 Is it just me or is Hilaria still using her fake Spanish accent? 0.94

01:13:11.700 There's like a tinge.

01:13:12.600 Is there not?

01:13:14.000 How you say cucumber?

01:13:15.580 Oh, is that?

01:13:16.280 I asked you to go away.

01:13:19.320 I have to tell you, Megan, fun fact.

01:13:21.800 I, when I was at your, and I want to go really quickly.

01:13:24.840 When I was at your book party, I double dog dared Mark Thiessen.

01:13:28.360 We were standing over in the corner.

01:13:30.160 Alec Baldwin was there with his wife.

01:13:32.080 And I, we were double dog daring each other to go up and say something to him.

01:13:36.160 And he triple dog dared me. 0.99

01:13:37.700 So I said, okay.

01:13:38.720 And he has Mark's jaw dropped to the floor.

01:13:41.400 And so I went over there and I was like, hello, Mr. Bald.

01:13:43.460 And he looked at me like I was a two headed cow.

01:13:45.940 It was the craziest, most uncomfortable thing.

01:13:49.120 His wife did not say anything at all, but he was just, he just, he just, he was like a robot.

01:13:54.140 He was like, okay, hello.

01:13:55.980 And then that was kind of it.

01:13:57.360 And then I walked back to where our little cluster of people were.

01:14:00.200 And I thought Mark Thiessen, Mark Thiessen was three shades of red.

01:14:03.620 It was, I just wanted to make him uncomfortable and laugh.

01:14:05.880 It was funny.

01:14:06.780 Good times.

01:14:07.620 You know, listen, I actually, I think I might be in the minority.

01:14:11.060 I feel bad for Alec Baldwin.

01:14:12.280 I don't believe he did anything intentional.

01:14:13.860 I'm sure he's suffering as a result of this, but that doesn't answer any of the other questions

01:14:18.640 about whether he has some legal responsibility, criminal or otherwise.

01:14:23.160 I don't think there's going to be criminal responsibility for him, but obviously he's

01:14:26.880 going to get sued.

01:14:27.740 His production company is through the eyeballs and they're going to have to pay.

01:14:30.100 And that's what insurance is for.

01:14:31.680 But it's just crazy that there wouldn't be criminal charges.

01:14:34.440 And, and look, I, I have a history of not getting along with him, but I can put that aside

01:14:38.620 because again, I always very, very wary of what could be established by any kind of, you

01:14:43.560 know, legal proceeding.

01:14:44.620 And I don't think that he acted out of any kind of malice.

01:14:48.380 I don't think that he had planned to kill this woman, but I do think that it was recklessness

01:14:52.420 and negligence.

01:14:53.460 And maybe in the future, he will lecture people less when we want to advocate for education

01:15:00.360 and safety.

01:15:01.640 Maybe he will lecture those people less and listen a little bit more.

01:15:04.800 And now that we see ultimately what can be the horrible result of not being responsible

01:15:10.360 and not having that education and not being safe.

01:15:13.320 That's why in part, he's getting so much blowback from, you know, certain media outlets in certain

01:15:19.620 corners, because he is a judgmental guy.

01:15:21.560 He's very political.

01:15:22.980 He was defending Andrew Cuomo, for God's sake.

01:15:24.900 It's like Andrew, nevermind the other guy, Andrew did not deserve his defense.

01:15:29.620 And he's very, he's constantly attacking people and judging them.

01:15:32.800 And so that's, you put yourself out there like that.

01:15:35.500 You're going to get it back if you misstep, which we all do.

01:15:38.720 Maybe not in this way, but I want to ask you about his claim, because what he said to

01:15:43.560 George was that he didn't pull the trigger.

01:15:47.200 We have the soundbite.

01:15:48.120 I'd love to get your thoughts on whether you believe this.

01:15:50.900 Here he is.

01:15:52.420 Wasn't in the script for the trigger to be pulled.

01:15:55.520 Well, the trigger wasn't, but I didn't pull the trigger.

01:15:57.460 So you never pulled the trigger.

01:15:58.880 No, no, no, no, no.

01:15:59.700 I would never point a gun at anyone and pull a trigger at them.

01:16:01.900 Never.

01:16:02.100 What did you think happened?

01:16:04.240 How did a real bullet get on that set?

01:16:06.340 I have no idea.

01:16:07.380 Someone put a live bullet in a gun, a bullet that wasn't even supposed to be on the property.

01:16:12.280 And what he said in the longer clip, Dana, was he, it was a, I guess, a Colt 35, like

01:16:16.820 old school, and that he pulled the hammer back.

01:16:20.120 He said, I pulled it back as far as you could pull it back without pulling it back all the

01:16:23.920 way.

01:16:24.660 And then I let it go.

01:16:26.320 And then the gun went off.

01:16:27.960 And there was a gun expert who was speaking with Good Morning Britain who said, that's

01:16:33.360 not possible.

01:16:34.460 And he said, it's highly unlikely, maybe in some fantasy world is possible.

01:16:38.300 But he said, on this gun, you would have to pull the actual trigger.

01:16:41.980 You could pull the trigger and make the hammer go, but you can't pull the hammer back and

01:16:47.180 make the trigger go.

01:16:48.120 That was what he said.

01:16:49.140 I don't know that guy.

01:16:50.220 I know you.

01:16:50.940 I know you know your stuff.

01:16:51.940 So what do you make of this claim?

01:16:54.120 Yeah, this and this is where it gets into a lot of nuance about this type of revolver,

01:16:58.300 because this was a single action.

01:16:59.740 And it is an 1837 Pieta replica.

01:17:02.560 I believe it was a replica made by a company.

01:17:05.620 It's not.

01:17:06.560 And my point in saying that is that it's not an old and it's not an antique gun.

01:17:11.100 So this is something that was made with modern methods to resemble what they used in spaghetti

01:17:15.800 westerns.

01:17:16.740 And I've heard a couple of different accounts from eyewitnesses on set where they say he did

01:17:22.520 have his finger by the trigger or in the guard or he did not.

01:17:26.140 But for his comment to Stephanopoulos, when he said, well, I didn't point the gun at anyone

01:17:30.760 and I didn't pull the trigger.

01:17:32.040 Well, he absolutely did point the gun at someone because that someone who had the gun pointed

01:17:35.960 at them was killed.

01:17:37.020 And it gets into the nuance of, you know, the hammer and how single action works and,

01:17:42.360 you know, cowboy loads and all this other stuff, which I think is important, but it's

01:17:45.880 nuance.

01:17:46.580 The important issue is that he was the producer on set.

01:17:50.340 He's the top talent on set.

01:17:51.940 He runs that set.

01:17:53.240 He helps determine safety protocols for that set.

01:17:55.860 He hires the armorer.

01:17:57.440 He helps develop the protocols with the armorer.

01:17:59.780 He has made enough films involving firearms over the past 40 years that he is not he's

01:18:04.980 not excluded from responsibility because of celebrity.

01:18:08.340 And I apparently it seems that that's what he's arguing in this discussion with George

01:18:12.720 Stephanopoulos.

01:18:13.600 Now, with his revolver, whether or not he pulled the hammer back, it is it would be almost

01:18:21.000 impossible for what he's describing to actually happen.

01:18:24.520 The bottom line is that he was reckless and not checking the firearm.

01:18:29.060 He was reckless and you just pop the cylinder out and it's very easy to see what's a dummy

01:18:33.340 bullet and what's a live round because of the way that the cartridge way that it's pinched

01:18:37.280 off at the end.

01:18:37.940 It's he could have very easily have done that, especially as he was talking about with Stephanopoulos.

01:18:44.260 They wasn't they weren't even required to discharge a gun in a scene that was being filmed that

01:18:49.480 day at all.

01:18:50.280 So I understand what he's trying to do with his argument.

01:18:53.320 He was he I think it's reckless for him.

01:18:55.660 This was kind of a Hail Mary, I think, by his legal team.

01:18:58.220 He was very clearly told to go out and plant the seed of doubt in that.

01:19:03.040 Well, if there is even a one percent chance that this could have happened because it's

01:19:06.560 a single action, then you put that seed out there.

01:19:08.760 But it doesn't it that may have result in over a technicality, a reduced charge.

01:19:13.940 But the fact that he would skate on a criminal charge, that would be a political decision

01:19:17.760 and not one born a fact.

01:19:19.220 I feel like he didn't need to do this because no one is arguing he's the one who put the

01:19:26.140 bullets into the gun.

01:19:27.760 Whoever was responsible for putting the actual live rounds into that gun is the person responsible,

01:19:33.900 assuming they knew that it was live rounds.

01:19:36.060 You know, there's now a dispute.

01:19:37.420 The armorer's dad is apparently the most famous armorer in Hollywood.

01:19:41.780 And he came out and said this week he thinks that sabotage might have been to blame.

01:19:45.880 There was a lot of motive, he thought, for sabotage, he said.

01:19:48.400 Um, somebody wanted to quote to cause a safety incident on set.

01:19:52.520 Uh, he said through his, uh, lawyer or his daughter's lawyer said somebody wanted to cause

01:19:57.920 a safety incident on set.

01:19:59.880 Nobody wanted anyone to be killed.

01:20:01.480 We've developed evidence of motive here, why they wanted to do that, why Hannah Gutierrez

01:20:05.360 read the armorer might have been a target.

01:20:07.200 And that has all gone to the sheriff.

01:20:08.800 Now, of course, the armorer has a reason to say somebody else sabotaged me.

01:20:12.800 Um, but my point is no one's saying Alec Baldwin took a live round and put it in the gun

01:20:17.980 and then pointed it and shot, right?

01:20:19.540 Like, that would be true recklessness you could charge, even if he intended to kill no one.

01:20:23.800 He didn't need this.

01:20:24.660 He could have said somebody gave me the gun.

01:20:26.140 They said it was a cold gun.

01:20:27.240 I trusted them.

01:20:28.240 Okay, good for you, George Clooney.

01:20:29.480 You always check your guns, but not everybody does that.

01:20:31.380 Um, and I did what the, what she told me to do, which was, I did point it near her and I,

01:20:37.340 and I did pull the trigger and I shouldn't have done that, but pulling the trigger in

01:20:41.100 and of itself is not recklessness.

01:20:42.240 If you know, a billion guns are used on sets and bullets are, you know, fake bullets are

01:20:47.100 used and so on.

01:20:47.940 Like he didn't need it.

01:20:49.160 It's just, he's desperate.

01:20:50.900 He didn't, he did not need, he, he didn't need to say his best defense is still results

01:20:56.120 in some, I it's, it's still recklessness and negligence.

01:20:58.840 His best defense, I mean, at the very least he's, there is a level of culpability there.

01:21:04.300 And there's a reason why with all of the films that are made in Hollywood involving firearms,

01:21:09.000 there's a reason why there've only been a couple of instances in the past, I don't

01:21:12.600 know how many decades.

01:21:13.800 And that's because of the safety protocols that they use on set.

01:21:16.960 So in one of my books, fly over nation, uh, it was the last one actually before pause

01:21:21.260 off my Canon.

01:21:22.140 That's my single action Colt Paddleman that I have on my holster on the cover of that book.

01:21:27.280 And when we were in the studio shooting that I brought that Cattleman because I, I, I wanted,

01:21:32.180 there was a specific thing that I had in mind.

01:21:34.100 I was actually basing it off of this old, like spaghetti Western Vogue shoot.

01:21:37.340 And I thought this would be actually really cool message to convey, you know, the, and,

01:21:41.200 and this would be a cool gun to use for it.

01:21:43.480 And the people that were, you know, the photographer, the makeup artists, not exactly, you know,

01:21:47.220 the bastions of conservatism, those industries, and they, to make them feel better just because

01:21:52.220 it's standard operating procedure.

01:21:54.160 And I'm just used to doing it.

01:21:55.520 You know, we were very careful in like, this is, you know, telling people what it is, letting

01:21:59.280 everyone see, you know, the open cylinder.

01:22:01.200 This is empty.

01:22:01.840 There's nothing in here at all whatsoever.

01:22:03.640 There is nothing in the barrel.

01:22:05.420 This is a completely cold gun just so that you are comfortable with it.

01:22:09.560 And it takes a second to check that.

01:22:12.720 And so when the more he talks, the worse that he makes it for himself.

01:22:16.740 And I just watched that interview thinking at some point, his lawyer is going to dive in

01:22:21.540 front of him and just put tape over his mouth.

01:22:23.220 Didn't happen.

01:22:23.900 Sadly, just awful.

01:22:25.740 Now, speaking of you and your books, let's spend a minute on pause off my cannon.

01:22:32.020 And what, I mean, I get it, right?

01:22:33.740 It's like, you guys, I have it too.

01:22:35.840 They're same.

01:22:39.100 So what is the, I mean, I get the story, but sort of what's the point of the book?

01:22:43.040 And it's part of a series, as I understand it.

01:22:45.520 What's the point of the series?

01:22:47.360 So when I, when we first talked to, when I first was talking to the brave books, um,

01:22:51.940 the, the people who do brave books and they're a great group of people.

01:22:54.740 And they asked if I would be interested in writing a children's book.

01:22:58.060 And at first I just thought, I don't know how to write a children's book because

01:23:00.980 it's actually one of the hardest, uh, forms of publishing.

01:23:04.820 It's, it's very difficult industry and it's a very difficult thing to do to write a kid's

01:23:08.860 book because it's not just, you're not just dumbing down content.

01:23:12.480 You're speaking to kids intelligently in a way that they can understand.

01:23:16.120 And you, you kind of have to put yourself a little bit in the mind of a child to, to

01:23:20.540 be able to speak to them without being condescending and talking down.

01:23:23.740 And for kids to feel like they're being lectured, you want it to be super fun.

01:23:27.160 And so I, I was greatly inspired by Warner brothers.

01:23:30.800 And when I was talking to the brave books, people, they were telling me about their illustrator

01:23:36.380 that they were working with Andre Collian.

01:23:37.980 And, and he, I love the old Fritz Friehling stuff from the early Warner brothers days.

01:23:43.840 I, I just, it was very magical.

01:23:45.540 It was very pre Burton.

01:23:46.840 And I got a huge sense of that from Andre and I was talking in our phone calls.

01:23:52.160 I was saying, you know, because art is so much part of this for kids books, uh, that it

01:23:56.960 would have to be a really great illustrator.

01:23:58.540 And they were showing me, uh, some of the other, the books that they were doing in the series

01:24:02.260 and the other messages that authors that they were working with were who they were very

01:24:07.640 passionate about certain issues.

01:24:08.920 And this is the way that they approached it.

01:24:10.660 They wanted to do something about second amendment or self-defense.

01:24:14.020 And I, I think it's a great idea.

01:24:15.960 And I think it's incredibly important to, to talk to kids about this, but how do you talk

01:24:20.620 to kids about it without being technical?

01:24:22.520 You can't really, you can't really include defensive gun usage and uniform crime reports

01:24:26.700 in it, uh, a book to kids.

01:24:28.580 So like what, because what we have is a crime culture, exactly crime culture kids.

01:24:34.220 This is what the UCR say.

01:24:35.800 Now, if you just go to Google and you look at the last available data from 2019, they,

01:24:39.620 I mean, kids, they're just going to go, their eyes are going to glaze over and they're not

01:24:42.760 going to get the message.

01:24:43.760 Entertainment is the best vehicle for this.

01:24:45.840 So what's the best way to do it?

01:24:47.080 So came up with this amazing character, Bongo, and it has everything that I love.

01:24:51.300 First it has, you know, it has cupcakes in it for breakfast, which I think is amazing.

01:24:54.960 And that's a culture that I very much want to be a part of, uh, coconuts.

01:24:58.580 Which makes some of the best drinks in the world, uh, cannons, everyone loves that.

01:25:02.220 And I, I mean, the illustrations just brought it to life.

01:25:04.940 I also have a cameo in one of the pages, uh, pages of this book, but Bongo is wanting

01:25:09.700 to protect his friends and his community from these hyenas that are coming and taking all

01:25:15.000 of their sweets.

01:25:15.920 And if you've ever watched any Nat Geo, I mean, I have a house of boys and they are, they

01:25:21.260 have, I was, I've watched every national geographic program.

01:25:24.360 I think that's ever been created. 1.00

01:25:25.860 The hyenas are jerks. 0.99

01:25:27.820 They're jerks in every single one of these nature documentaries. 1.00

01:25:31.540 I've never felt bad for a hyena. 1.00

01:25:33.240 They're always picking off.

01:25:35.060 Yeah.

01:25:35.640 They're horror. 0.96

01:25:36.260 They're mean, they're mean animals. 0.62

01:25:37.860 And so of course, obviously they're the bad guys in this book.

01:25:40.640 So it's about Bongo taking responsibility and also giving a little grace to the people

01:25:46.260 that he shares this community with protecting them.

01:25:48.460 Well, also letting them come to the realization that self-defense is important and we were

01:25:53.240 important enough ourselves to, and we're worthy enough to defend ourselves.

01:25:56.960 And so what I like about it is, you know, parents like you, like me, who are trying to counter

01:26:00.840 program our kids against far left ideologies in the school systems.

01:26:05.280 This is a good way to sort of plant the seed of there's another way to look at this issue

01:26:09.820 on which you're going to get only one message throughout your entire time in the academic

01:26:14.480 system.

01:26:14.900 And it's not like it doesn't hit them over the head.

01:26:17.460 It just kind of gives them a scenario in the same way people try to teach socialism to

01:26:21.560 their kids by saying, imagine you went out and you did all your Halloween candy searching

01:26:24.400 for three hours and, you know, Johnny across the street did none.

01:26:27.360 And when you got home, you had to give him half.

01:26:28.800 That's socialism, right?

01:26:29.820 Like this is kind of like that.

01:26:31.580 This is like, it's just a lesson.

01:26:32.720 It's a story that makes you appreciate how self-defense is important and how and what

01:26:37.740 how and when it might be important.

01:26:40.260 So anyway, I like it.

01:26:41.060 It's a fair and balanced book for children.

01:26:42.620 Pause off my cannon.

01:26:43.380 Highly recommend.

01:26:43.880 Next up, I want to talk to you about what's happening with that school board association

01:26:48.000 that labeled the parents domestic terrorists because they're losing a lot of money and

01:26:52.760 a lot of schools.

01:26:54.660 And part of this involves your school and a town that you're very familiar with.

01:27:00.280 So we're going to get into that right after this quick break with Dana Lash.

01:27:04.960 Don't go anywhere.

01:27:05.480 Dana, the fallout for the National School Board Association continues.

01:27:14.360 Yay, right?

01:27:15.480 Yay.

01:27:15.780 Because I know you are a mom like myself who's been very outspoken about what's happening

01:27:19.800 to our kids in these schools and all the indoctrination and so on.

01:27:22.600 And shame on that group for referring to these parents at these meetings as terrorists.

01:27:26.360 So more and more of the schools are withdrawing from this association.

01:27:32.480 They, I guess, have lost 17 state affiliates now, have severed ties with the group.

01:27:37.540 And those 17 state affiliates accounted for more than 40 percent of the annual dues paid.

01:27:44.640 So they're losing money.

01:27:45.760 They're losing groups.

01:27:47.200 And to me, this is a great example of how when more independent media fights back against

01:27:53.500 something, right?

01:27:54.040 Because this is not because of anything CNN did that the NSBA got embarrassed that they

01:27:59.200 had to withdraw that letter. 0.98

01:28:00.160 It was independent and conservative media saying, this is bullshit, fighting back, embarrassing 0.97

01:28:06.200 them, and to the point where they had to withdraw their letter. 0.97

01:28:08.860 And now we have all these states, 17, withdrawing.

01:28:12.300 So what do you make of it?

01:28:13.280 I feel so encouraged to see that because it feels like there's a little bit of there's

01:28:18.760 some hope in this battle.

01:28:20.180 And I know that there are so many parents who felt really lonely in this.

01:28:24.340 I know you've dealt with this in your school district.

01:28:27.040 I've dealt with this in our school district.

01:28:28.840 And it's crazy because the more you talk about it, the more parents you talk to, you

01:28:32.420 realize that there is not a parent out there.

01:28:34.760 There's not a family.

01:28:35.520 There's not a school district that's unaffected by this because that's how widespread it is.

01:28:40.260 But to see these other school boards stand up to this national association and say, we

01:28:46.120 don't appreciate what you were doing to the parents.

01:28:48.400 We don't want to be affiliated with that.

01:28:50.500 That's an awesome thing to see because it truly should be a partnership.

01:28:54.200 And when you think about the school system and you think about education, these are people

01:28:58.500 who say, let's work together and you can, we'll, let's educate our kids.

01:29:03.220 We'll work with you as a partner.

01:29:04.660 It's supposed to be a partnership.

01:29:05.960 That's how education should be approached.

01:29:08.060 It's not parents dropping off their kids and just giving total sovereignty and control

01:29:12.580 over to these, you know, strangers and a bunch of bureaucrats, which that's how a lot

01:29:17.480 of, that's how a lot of these districts are run. 0.94

01:29:19.100 So it was very encouraged.

01:29:20.980 It was encouraging to see that.

01:29:22.540 And hopefully things can change in education.

01:29:25.460 Maybe this is the first step to finally getting that voucher system that a lot of parents have

01:29:29.840 been wanting.

01:29:30.720 That's right.

01:29:31.080 That case going up to the Supreme Court now that may change the law on whether your money

01:29:35.780 can follow.

01:29:36.420 The Fed's monies can follow the children instead of the school, which is what we need

01:29:41.200 for real change.

01:29:42.020 South Lake, Texas, where you used to live, has become the subject of an NBC produced podcast.

01:29:52.520 What's that?

01:29:53.720 Still live.

01:29:54.880 Okay.

01:29:55.080 Oh, still live.

01:29:55.620 Okay.

01:29:55.800 I thought you'd move from there.

01:29:57.540 Okay.

01:29:58.620 So they, they've, they're doing a podcast on South Lake.

01:30:02.060 This is the description, a quote, affluent community with few black families.

01:30:06.400 The pride for the city and schools, um, is painted in a concerning light in the podcast.

01:30:14.060 The podcast picks up with a story that broke in 2018 in South Lake involving a group of

01:30:17.800 students shouting the N word that's circulated on TikTok and Snapchat.

01:30:22.160 NBC frames the story that critical race theory was a necessary implementation in the schools

01:30:27.220 there because the city had to confront racism among the students head on.

01:30:33.360 So NBC is taking on your town.

01:30:36.220 What do you make of that pitch?

01:30:38.580 And they're sort of, this is a defense.

01:30:41.240 This is like the, the, the counterpoint to CRT is coming out now.

01:30:44.300 Like it's necessary because the schools are full of racists.

01:30:48.000 And they, and they, they're trying to get the, they have the department of education,

01:30:51.200 their civil rights division.

01:30:52.140 They're trying to get, uh, there's been a bunch of FOIA requests filed and, uh,

01:30:56.160 they're trying to say that basically not implementing CRT is a violation of title nine,

01:31:01.820 which is insane.

01:31:02.860 I mean, this is, this is, it's just, it's crazy.

01:31:05.320 And on that podcast, there are a group of progressive activists in our town and the,

01:31:11.040 it's weird because they got as kind of, I think one of the, the women that this it's a, 0.99

01:31:15.100 it's a white male reporter from Houston since race matters.

01:31:17.600 I'm going to, to the left, I will identify him as that doesn't even live in this area.

01:31:21.140 It doesn't even know this area.

01:31:22.280 This guy comes up from Houston, Texas to push division.

01:31:25.760 I, I have zero, my respect for NBC after what they've done in our town is in the red, uh,

01:31:31.400 after this, because they had their, they had their trucks, their news trucks, driving through

01:31:34.860 filming people, subdivisions, you know, trying to, you know, recording parents and students.

01:31:39.440 It's insane.

01:31:40.220 What's been happening in this town.

01:31:41.540 So to walk it back just a little bit to let everybody know how this started.

01:31:44.500 Uh, I think it was back in like 2013, uh, maybe 2014 when this happened, there were two

01:31:49.280 students who were on Tik TOK and I don't know if they were singing a song or if they were

01:31:53.600 just being obnoxious or what it was, but they said the N word on Tik TOK and then people

01:31:58.160 save that video and it went viral in South Lake and then it went viral everywhere else.

01:32:03.260 And from that video, there was this established argument from some of the, these, these same

01:32:09.760 activists that, well, the, the school district has a massive problem with racism, et cetera,

01:32:13.740 which it doesn't.

01:32:15.320 And for outsiders to say that there are a few black families here, the people who are

01:32:19.520 leading the charge on CRT in this district are people who immigrated from Cuba, Hispanic

01:32:25.560 families and Vietnamese families.

01:32:27.660 And there are also white families too.

01:32:30.180 But I find if we're going to have a discussion of racism, I find it incredibly racist that white 0.98

01:32:34.340 reporters like to whitewash the participation of minority families in speaking out against CRT

01:32:40.440 from the national discussion.

01:32:42.620 That's the racism.

01:32:43.580 If we're going to have a discussion of race about this.

01:32:46.400 So let me pause you for one second, because apparently we do have a soundbite from it.

01:32:49.500 So we'll get people a flavor of what we're talking about.

01:32:52.240 Listen here from the podcast.

01:32:53.180 What brought us here was a superior public school system.

01:32:59.240 Welcome to South Lake, Texas.

01:33:03.040 We're like, what's the catch?

01:33:04.720 What's the catch?

01:33:06.180 South Lake is an immaculate suburb outside Dallas.

01:33:09.580 It's the kind of place where community is everything, where everything revolves around the schools

01:33:14.760 and the town's pride and joy.

01:33:17.280 The South Lake Carroll Dragons.

01:33:19.040 I was really happy in the beginning.

01:33:24.660 A nine second video blew open some very old divides and exposed an uncomfortable truth.

01:33:31.400 Your experience at school has a lot to do with your skin color.

01:33:35.960 Oh, boy.

01:33:37.940 Of course.

01:33:38.700 I mean, they would have said that with or without the TikTok video.

01:33:41.420 Right now, that's that that's the narrative that they're that they're pushing.

01:33:44.860 And, you know, there's and I think there's like a whole new niche world developing in journalism.

01:33:49.780 It's it's the grifter division pushing racial divide, which is this. 0.64

01:33:54.380 Then that podcast is one of the first.

01:33:56.200 And I don't think that's journalism.

01:33:58.520 I don't think it's journalism.

01:33:59.380 I think it's it's it's it's trying to create division and hate and and sensationalism where

01:34:05.940 their narrative doesn't actually bear out when you look at the actual when you look at the

01:34:10.880 demographics of the town, when you look at the facts of the matter, when you look at the

01:34:14.400 people who have been speaking out.

01:34:15.660 And as I was saying, some of the loudest voices on this are families who left countries where

01:34:20.480 they're familiar with the Maoist cultural revolution.

01:34:23.120 They know all the tricks of that trade.

01:34:24.900 And when they see it happening here in the United States and in their own backyard, that

01:34:28.600 alarms them greatly, as it should.

01:34:30.940 And they've been some of the biggest voices and the best organizers with with parent and

01:34:35.340 parents with parents against.

01:34:36.800 Of course, it's not just white parents.

01:34:38.640 But, you know, you I don't know if there's more.

01:34:40.800 I haven't listened to the podcast, but if this is all they have a nine second video where 1.00

01:34:45.240 two morons use the N word, that's ridiculous. 1.00

01:34:48.220 If you looked at any school district in the nation, you could find kids saying moronic things. 1.00

01:34:53.980 You could find black kids saying racist things. 1.00

01:34:55.820 You could find white kids saying racist things, Hispanic kids and so on. 0.93

01:34:58.780 And this is to take one one misstep and turn it into this, you know, an excuse to bash

01:35:05.460 the town.

01:35:05.880 But it's no accident that it's NBC, that the town's in Texas, that it happens to be affluent

01:35:10.800 and that the town is mostly white.

01:35:13.160 Right.

01:35:13.440 None of which NBC would would like.

01:35:16.040 Right.

01:35:16.260 Or would want its audience to think it likes.

01:35:19.140 Yeah.

01:35:19.640 And the they they knock the town because the town's well to do.

01:35:23.240 The town is made from people who came from nothing, just like I did. 1.00

01:35:26.080 And everybody worked really hard to get where we are.

01:35:28.360 And we created and contribute to a nice community.

01:35:31.200 And I don't think that the town or anybody in it should be ashamed for that.

01:35:35.020 I think people who try to shame other people for that should be ashamed.

01:35:37.720 And as far as the the way that this was handled, I have to tell you, the people who have been

01:35:42.620 advocating CRT and that's ultimately what ended up happening after this video from that

01:35:47.300 video.

01:35:47.860 And by the way, those two families, the two girls that were involved in that video, they

01:35:51.280 had to move.

01:35:52.000 They had to leave school and move to a different town.

01:35:53.920 No joke, because there was no apology accepted.

01:35:58.080 They apologized profusely.

01:36:00.000 No one wanted to have a conversation about it.

01:36:02.000 There was no apology.

01:36:03.160 It was destroyed, destroyed, destroyed.

01:36:05.460 I think that everybody missed a really valuable opportunity to show that, you know what? 0.95

01:36:10.220 We are humans, number one, and humans are a horrible species. 1.00

01:36:13.260 We're just awful, wretched being. 1.00

01:36:15.280 And we make a lot of people. 0.99

01:36:16.820 Everybody makes a lot of mistakes.

01:36:18.320 There's nobody that's perfect.

01:36:19.980 Teenagers, especially.

01:36:21.800 Especially.

01:36:22.200 Pecking order.

01:36:24.360 I mean, just to take it back to Netgeo, humans aren't that different from the pecking order

01:36:28.380 and the hierarchy.

01:36:29.400 We are the hyenas.

01:36:31.200 Yes, we are.

01:36:32.220 Just like we established, you know, out in nature, so is it in our communities.

01:36:37.840 And there was a really, there was a missed opportunity.

01:36:40.700 But Megan, from that, they wanted to establish this crazy curriculum.

01:36:44.120 They, first off, they wanted to eliminate SRO program for what that had to do with it.

01:36:49.140 They ended up dropping that because taxpayers had, we had voted on that to fund it, you know,

01:36:52.760 a million dollars.

01:36:53.560 And they wanted to take that school resource officer program.

01:36:57.760 Oh, okay.

01:36:58.240 They wanted to defund that.

01:36:59.940 Then they wanted to create a commission.

01:37:01.420 And this is all in their documentation online.

01:37:03.120 They wanted to create a commission of unaccountable people, we don't know who they are, that would

01:37:09.220 that would create, that would track students' microaggressions from kindergarten to senior.

01:37:15.620 And they, they, they defined it as subconsciously or subconsciously done.

01:37:20.440 So if you don't use the right pronouns, if you don't do this or that, that would be tracked

01:37:23.680 and added onto your permanent record.

01:37:25.360 You had to take classes about equity.

01:37:27.500 They were going to bring in a chief diversity officer.

01:37:30.160 All of this because of a video.

01:37:31.760 Look, and I volunteered.

01:37:32.960 I'm like, if your kid's acting up, or if you know of a kid that's acting up, you bring them to my house.

01:37:37.580 We'll get that straightened out right quick because that stuff doesn't fly here.

01:37:41.260 That's how the community should solve it.

01:37:42.880 Not like this.

01:37:44.040 You know what?

01:37:44.320 This reminds me of when Bill O'Reilly, it got outed right after I got to Fox in like 2005.

01:37:50.300 2004, it got outed that he had had the Andrea Macris case where he harassed this woman and

01:37:55.880 she had him on tape and, you know, whatever.

01:37:58.320 He settled for, I don't know, over $10 million was the rumor.

01:38:02.520 Anyway, the point is, for years after that, all of us had to take twice annual sexual harassment

01:38:10.080 seminars. 0.97

01:38:10.860 And I'm sitting there thinking, I'm fucking sitting here because of Bill O'Reilly. 0.99

01:38:14.320 I don't need to sit here. 0.98

01:38:15.400 Not all of us have to sit here because of Bill O'Reilly. 1.00

01:38:17.700 This is bullshit. 0.99

01:38:18.360 And now we now know that people were actually using it for tips on how on how to sexually 1.00

01:38:23.180 harass.

01:38:23.720 My point is, it doesn't work.

01:38:25.060 It did not stop anything. 1.00

01:38:27.480 But it's ridiculous to make the entire town and all the student body suffer for the moronic 1.00

01:38:32.060 behavior. 0.99

01:38:32.600 Nine seconds worth of two young girls who sound like they were very sorry.

01:38:36.160 Anyway, this is the state of America.

01:38:37.780 I, for one, am happy to know you're out there fighting the good fight.

01:38:41.820 Dana Lash.

01:38:42.680 Love you.

01:38:43.420 Love, Chris.

01:38:44.000 Thanks for coming on and good luck with the book.

01:38:46.860 And Megan, always good to see you.

01:38:48.820 Congratulations on the serious show and much love to you and Doug and the kids.

01:38:52.160 Just so appreciate seeing you.

01:38:53.660 Thanks.

01:38:54.080 We're all shooting for you.

01:38:55.980 Oh, love that.

01:38:57.620 Such a dear couple.

01:38:59.100 One of these days, Doug and I are going to go down there to Texas and we're going to do a

01:39:02.320 wild boar hunting with Dana and Chris, which that'd be fun.

01:39:06.240 As you know, I only eat the non-cute animals and I think I'd have the same policy when it

01:39:11.740 came to hunting.

01:39:12.320 I would only hunt the non-cute ones that are terrorizing Texans like the wild boar do.

01:39:17.060 OK, thank you all so much for joining us today.

01:39:19.180 I want to tell you that tomorrow we have a great guest.

01:39:21.780 I've been looking forward to this conversation.

01:39:23.600 Mark Garagos is here.

01:39:24.980 We're going to talk all sorts of current court cases like Jussie Smollett and Kim Potter,

01:39:29.560 the officer who shouted taser, taser and then shot a gun and some of the classics he

01:39:34.480 has seen firsthand.

01:39:36.380 We'll talk Scott Peterson.

01:39:37.460 We'll talk Michael Jackson.

01:39:39.200 Garagos is he's the Waldo of law.

01:39:41.060 He's connected with it all.

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