On today's show, Megyn talks to Dana Lash about her new children's book, Alec Baldwin, and Peter Navarro, who served as President Trump's Director of Trade and Manufacturing Policy. Plus, new reporting on the new HIV/AIDS virus Omicron.
00:02:29.860And let me walk you through this, and this is all in the In Trump Time book.
00:02:34.460Look, this is something people really need to understand.
00:02:38.360The Wuhan Institute of Virology, first of all, it's also what's called a P4 bioweapons lab run by the People's Liberation Army.
00:02:47.100This is where dangerous bioweapons are created.
00:02:50.740Now, what's interesting about this, in the In Trump Time book, in the second chapter, I meet this guy in the Situation Room.
00:02:58.600The president has sent me there to argue on behalf of the travel ban.
00:03:04.240It's January 28, 2020, very early in the pandemic.
00:03:07.580There's no pandemic yet, according to Dr. Anthony Fauci.
00:03:10.880And I'm in there with a group, and I immediately get into an argument with this little guy with round glasses on who's adamantly opposed to the travel ban.
00:03:48.820Fauci knew that the virus itself had come within yards of this, so it likely came from this lab.
00:03:55.700But what Fauci didn't tell the president and me was that he had funded the so-called gain-of-function experiments at the Wuhan lab, which can be used to turn a harmless bat virus into a human killer.
00:04:10.780More importantly, he had gotten an email from a Scripps scientist who said flat out this thing was likely genetically engineered.
00:04:19.520So here we have a situation, Megan, where we have a pandemic that's killed over 700,000 Americans, millions worldwide, cost us trillions in the economy.
00:04:33.800And yet the guy, Fauci, who is likely responsible for the pandemic with the Chinese Communist Party, not only roams free and out of jail, but is the highest-ranking health official, the highest-paid government employee,
00:04:50.220and continues to tell us that five-year-olds need to be jabbed by what is right now not really a vaccine.
00:04:59.740It's a faux vaccine that basically is designed to provoke an immune response.
00:05:06.960It's not like smallpox or polio vaccine.
00:05:11.160Well, I mean, the vaccine will help minimize your chances of hospitalization or death.
00:05:16.400The thing about the absurdity of the children is they are facing virtually no risk of hospitalization or death anyway.
00:05:25.020And so it's like, well, why should we jab them well so that they don't transmit it to others?
00:05:29.680Well, the vaccine doesn't prevent transmission.
00:05:31.960So it's like, so wait, why am I jabbing him again?
00:05:55.400They paid Peter Daszak's group hundreds of thousands.
00:05:58.360Peter Daszak worked with that lab to do what is clearly gain-of-function research.
00:06:02.220The NIH wound up having to admit that, though Fauci still tries to dodge it based on some weird wording of what technically is gain-of-function.
00:06:11.640But they haven't been able to say that what Peter Daszak's group was doing in that lab that, you know, is behind you, was the thing that led to this virus.
00:06:27.980And I haven't even seen the documents suggesting what they created, what we helped fund, was the creation of this virus.
00:06:33.980Yeah, there's a couple of things to say about it.
00:06:37.280First of all, you don't need to have to make that case to hold Fauci responsible.
00:06:43.100The analogy here is that what China has done and what President Trump cracked down on when he was in office was all the kinds of technology transfer that China would affect to their country from the United States,
00:06:58.060whether it was stealing the technology outright or forcing the transfer of the technology.
00:07:03.020At a minimum, Megan, here's what we know, that the scientists in this lab who were able to create the virus that either escaped or was intentionally released, probably escaped.
00:07:18.760The technology they used was the technology that was transferred through the grants that Fauci gave to the Chinese, through Daszak, through Beric, through the Bat Lady.
00:07:31.340So, at a minimum, even if Fauci didn't directly create the virus, he gave them the technology and the expertise to do that.
00:07:42.260Now, the other thing to say, having said that, is I believe that the experimentation that Beric Daszak and the Bat Lady did led directly to this.
00:07:54.840And the problem we have, Megan, and again, this is at the feet of both Fauci and the Chinese Communist Party, is we don't have the original genome of the virus.
00:08:05.100See, here's the thing, if Fauci had come to the president and said, look, I think we've got a big problem here, we funded this lab, they did some gain-of-function experiments, this thing looks genetically engineered, we've got to get to the bottom of it.
00:08:19.680If he had simply said that in January 2020, I know what would have happened, and I probably would have been the tip of the spear on this.
00:08:27.060We would have went to Congress, China, and demanded the original genome of the virus.
00:08:34.540It would have allowed us to design a much more sophisticated and complex true vaccine.
00:08:42.160Let's go back to the vaccine for a minute.
00:08:44.180Here's the thing, it's not really a vaccine.
00:08:46.660In the In Trump Time book, I described a series of a dozen memos I wrote in February of 2020 that helped jumpstart Operation Warp Speed.
00:08:56.900But I was really clear-eyed at the time, because I had a really good medical advisor, Dr. Stephen Hatfield.
00:09:02.640And we knew right off the bat that the vaccine was not a true vaccine.
00:09:07.380It was based on these experimental RNA technologies, right?
00:09:11.360And so what it is, it's a primitive tool, basically, that takes six of these spike proteins, injects it into people, and provokes what we now know is a relatively brief immune response that's not complete in terms of protection.
00:09:30.620Look, I'm the first one to say, if you're a senior citizen and you've got comorbidities, get the damn thing, okay?
00:09:39.120But I'm also the first to say that what's really more important is therapeutics, and that if you're a healthy person or a kid that's not immune compromised, you don't want that.
00:09:50.900The point here is that if we had the original genome, if Fauci had told us what he had done here in January 2020, and we got that original genome, we could have more precisely designed a true vaccine, and the genie wouldn't have got out of the bottle.
00:10:24.940You know, like right now, we've announced this week that we're going to do a diplomatic boycott of the Olympics because of their human rights abuses.
00:10:31.700It doesn't seem directly related to COVID.
00:10:33.460And there's been absolutely no accountability.
00:10:35.840And we're still dealing with this virus.
00:10:37.540So, I mean, I do wonder this genuinely.
00:10:40.260If President Trump were still in office and you were advising him, what would you be telling him to try to force them to fork over what they know with the original genome?
00:10:49.300So, Megan, the one that got away from me, you know, my specialty when I got to the White House in 2017, yeah, I had no experience in this thing.
00:11:00.500But I quickly learned that the thing that you do at the White House is do executive orders.
00:11:06.200That's kind of the way to achieve progress in policy because it just takes too long to work through the Congress.
00:11:13.680And in the UnTrump Time book, there's a story about how I drafted an executive order that would have created a national commission like the Kennedy Commission on the Assassination, the BP oil spill, Pearl Harbor.
00:11:28.420To this day, I think that we need to proceed with all due speed to that.
00:11:32.900What it would have done, it was clever in the following sense.
00:11:38.800It not only would have required getting to the origins of the virus and the costs, which I calculate to be upwards of a year's worth of GDP right now, like $20 trillion.
00:11:50.920It would also have examined how the virus has actually helped China improve its position relative to the United States economically, geopolitically and militarily.
00:12:07.300So to your point here, my long answer is really a short answer.
00:12:12.060It's we need to get to the bottom of this.
00:12:14.560The best way to do it is through a national commission to put the heat on the Chinese.
00:12:18.680And you're absolutely right when you say we've moved on.
00:12:25.060Don't include a lot of people in America who, if you do a poll, still want to hold China accountable and get to the bottom of it.
00:12:32.740I see, you know, they take one of the key mission of the UnTrump Time book is to put Fauci in jail.
00:12:38.760But it's also to get to the bottom of what happened in the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
00:12:43.540Because, look, I think yesterday was was Pearl Harbor Day, December 7th.
00:12:48.780And and as I write in the book, it's like our third Pearl Harbor moment, Megan, was January 15th, 2020, when I'm sitting in the East Wing in the audience watching the boss on stage with the Chinese vice premier signing this so-called skinny trade deal.
00:13:07.700And I'm thinking of myself in a cold sweat that that that a virus was on its way, that these people sitting on stage probably knew that and and wondering whether this was an attack to take Hong Kong and get Trump out of the White House.
00:13:26.180Wow. That's I mean, now that's deep because, right, Trump was rolling along toward re-election.
00:13:33.280The economy was booming and this stopped it.
00:13:36.500This obviously there was no bigger factor than covid and Trump's Trump's defeat.
00:13:40.140Right. And of course, then you saw the Democrats in the media seize on it and, you know, blow this up into 24 seven nonstop coverage without any nuance, without any, you know, pause to take a look at whether they were making too big a deal out of it, whether we were overstepping in terms of our response and so on.
00:13:56.420But let me rewind to jail for Fauci, because that's a that's a big thing.
00:14:02.160Right now, based on what I know, Rand Paul and some others are saying he lied to Congress.
00:14:06.340But what specifically? Because, you know, given given that he's denying the gain of function research and is trying to sort of weasel out of it based on a definition, is that what you're talking about?
00:14:38.460Remember, Megan, I buried the lead in some sense, because the lie of omission, he not only lied by omission, then he went to did this elaborate cover up with Peter Daszak to lead the world to believe that this thing came from from nature, from from a bat cave.
00:14:53.820That the zoonotic theory, as they call it, that's been that's been debunked now.
00:14:58.420That's so. So he leads the cover up. So the first lie is come from nature, not the lab.
00:15:23.020I think the only reason why Biden keeps him there is because he's like the trophy that helped Biden defeat Trump.
00:15:30.800Right. And if you if you take Fauci out and kind of you kind of undermine the whole credibility of their campaign.
00:15:37.760But the other reason why he belongs in jail or at least should be the object of a massive class action suit is precisely because he helped create the virus and then hid it from the world.
00:15:49.500I mean, that he ended up he had not the virus necessarily, but a virus similar.
00:15:55.820Yeah. And by the way, yeah, good point. Excellent point.
00:15:59.800By the way, in the Trump time book and this this kind of shocked me when I was doing the research.
00:16:04.880But Fauci is is responsible, if you believe Sean Straub and body count, for killing 17000 people during during the worst of the AIDS crisis in the 1980s for withholding a medicine that he knew that the AIDS community knew worked.
00:16:25.980And, you know, fast forward to chapter seven and in Trump time, it's the same thing with hydroxychloroquine.
00:16:31.080But, Megan, I can tell you with without any shadow of a doubt today, based on all the science we know, that that hydroxychloroquine is it was one of the safest drugs on the planet and would have saved over 300000 American lives if we had deployed it.
00:16:48.800And today, if we were to deploy it, it would save hundreds of thousands of American lives.
00:16:54.360Let me say something to you on hydroxychloroquine.
00:16:57.680So I was open minded to that. And actually, I've told the story before I had to have an oral surgery during the height of the pandemic.
00:17:04.740My dentist, my oral surgeon who who operated on me said that he and everyone he knew was on it.
00:17:10.100All of his doctor friends were on hydroxychloroquine. This is back during the height of the pandemic.
00:17:13.860So I said, OK, you know, he's like, you're not allowed to say it.
00:17:16.380You're not allowed to even talk about it, but we're all on it.
00:17:19.000So then I went to my doctor, who's my primary care physician. He's an infectious disease specialist.
00:17:23.840And he said, here's the truth on hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin.
00:17:28.740He said studies are underway on both. He said so far, the actual, you know, peer reviewed studies and the meta studies that look at all the studies on hydroxychloroquine have not proven that it's effective.
00:17:39.680And yet ivermectin looks more promising. So he's not like some knee jerk, like now none of this stuff.
00:17:44.840This is crazy quack medicine. He what he told me, this is, you know, a guy I trust is possibly on ivermectin.
00:17:52.300So far, we haven't seen the proof on hydroxy.
00:17:55.940Well, we haven't seen it. We have seen it now unequivocally.
00:17:59.420There's there's plenty of evidence. It's I hate to keep mentioning the interim time book, but it's all the chapter seven in the interim time book.
00:18:07.940It's an homage to Perry Mason. It's the scurrilous case of hydroxy hysteria.
00:18:13.060I basically lay out all of the studies that have been done.
00:18:17.260There's no question that if you take hydroxychloroquine in the first seven days, on average, you will see a moderation of symptoms, reduction in any hospital time.
00:18:29.080Should you go there less need for a ventilator and death off the table?
00:18:32.880It's it's unequivocal. And there are some risks associated with it, too.
00:18:37.560I mean, there have been some risks with hydroxychloroquine that have been documented, depending on your medical history.
00:18:42.800You and I are not going to give medical advice, right?
00:18:45.340It's like do it through your personal physician.
00:19:01.460The amount of hydroxychloroquine you would take to treat the covid over a seven day period is the same amount on a daily basis that lupus and rheumatoid arthritis patients take for the rest of their lives.
00:19:17.280OK, so the people who are the only people who appear to be at risk from it are those with heart arrhythmias.
00:19:25.840And that's it. Right. Exactly. That's why it's important to go to your, you know, go to your physician.
00:19:30.640But I think it's important when when you talk to your when you talk to your doctor, whoever was talking to it.
00:19:37.020It's like what happened was early on, they conflated the studies and looked at late treatment with early treatment.
00:19:44.880If you take hydroxychloroquine after seven days to try to help with covid, it's like take an aspirin for a gunshot wound.
00:19:53.820The virus has proliferated too much. But if you catch it early, you have a strong antiviral effect.
00:20:01.900So, you know, there it is. But read Chapter 70 and in Trump time, I would say to your audience, let them decide.
00:20:07.880But I can tell you unequivocally that we need widespread therapeutics if we're going to ever get to.
00:20:15.600Well, they're coming. I mean, they're coming. We're getting one from Merck.
00:20:19.380Supposedly, you know, these pills are going to be very, very helpful.
00:20:22.420Hold on. Let me stand you by there because I have to squeeze in a quick break.
00:20:24.780But I really want to talk to you about boosters, too, because today Pfizer's out.
00:20:28.600It's getting hit in the news for saying, get your booster, get your booster to fight Omicron.
00:20:32.880Omicron. Meanwhile, it's not at all clear that it's going to stop Omicron.
00:20:38.240We're going to pick it up there right after this quick break.
00:20:40.280More with Peter Navarro coming up on all of this, including how covid has affected the economy, two of his specialties when we come back.
00:20:55.540Peter Navarro is back with us now, author of the new book in Trump time.
00:20:59.720OK, Peter, so today Pfizer comes out and says what you need to do is get a booster, saying two doses of the covid-19 vaccine were significantly less effective at neutralizing the Omicron variant in early lab tests.
00:21:14.140But a three dose regimen was more effective.
00:21:18.140This at the same time, we learn that Omicron really is not that scary a variant.
00:21:24.500Even Fauci has said that the variant appears to cause less severe illness.
00:21:29.720Cautioning that data is still preliminary.
00:21:31.600But so we have a variant that's actually really not that dangerous.
00:21:35.360So far as as of late yesterday, there wasn't a single death attributed to Omicron in the world.
00:21:40.960And yet Pfizer and even Fauci has said earlier, this is the excuse to get your booster.
00:21:45.800This is the reason to get your booster right now.
00:21:48.220Well, Pfizer is is not an American company, even though it's based here.
00:21:54.760I go at length in the in Trump time book about how it acts like the Vatican has its own foreign policy.
00:22:02.760It's one of the most scurrilous companies in the world, led by the most scurrilous CEO in the world.
00:22:10.540This guy, Albert Borla, I have a story about how Borla and Pfizer basically manipulated the data on the covid in order to postpone the vaccine until after the election.
00:22:32.500Wasn't it like a day after the election that they announced they had the vaccine?
00:22:35.340Yeah, well, yeah, what what they did is it's it's like for in order you go through these clinical trials and in order to say you got a vaccine that's over 90 percent effective, which Pfizer was able to do.
00:22:47.260They have to have a certain amount of what's called confirmed cases.
00:22:51.240These are the people who took the vaccine, but still got the got the virus.
00:22:56.100And so in order so so so that they could delay that announcement and screw Trump, they they took these test swabs and stored them rather than actually look at the results.
00:23:09.120And that allowed them to postpone him and Borla.
00:23:12.780And this guy is like the shadiest guy I've ever seen.
00:23:15.800And there's a story about how these these big pharma executives would come in to the White House.
00:23:21.540I'd sit down and meet him because one of my things, Megan, was bringing home our supply chains for essential medicines.
00:23:28.500It's like we are totally dependent on the Chinese and the Indians for much of what's in our medicine cabinet.
00:23:35.260And that's OK unless you got a pandemic.
00:23:37.720OK, so so these guys would come in in their Gucci shoes and they'd look down their nose at me like I was like some nativist.
00:23:46.220And say, no, no, no, we can't bring our supply chains home, cost too much, can't be done.
00:23:52.540And I'm saying, no, no, no, there's just too much risk.
00:23:56.000So that's Pfizer and big pharma spent a tremendous amount of money on behalf of Biden and against Trump.
00:24:03.440My point here is that these Pfizer, they're all about the money.
00:24:10.440Right. And if I had if we were in the White House for a second term, one of the things that I'd be demanding is that that Pfizer and these drug companies don't make a single dime.
00:24:22.000It's just cost based. You know, I'm using the Defense Production Act.
00:24:26.080You make that stuff. OK, you make that stuff, but you're not making a dime.
00:24:30.320You know, you'll recover your costs, but you don't make a dime and you do that for the good of the country.
00:24:35.500So that's kind of where we're at now with respect to these booster shots, Megan, the science is clear.
00:24:42.920And I go back again to the story I told you before the break.
00:24:47.680You know, I'm the guy. It's me and Trump time book sitting in the White House.
00:24:50.900February 9th, I write a memo that says we can get a vaccine by October or November.
00:24:57.000Right. It's like Fauci's head exploded because he said, no, it's going to take more than two years.
00:25:01.100We actually hit that mark. But in those memos, I say very clearly, look, this is RNA experimental technology.
00:25:08.260It's likely to be leaky and non-durable. It is no silver bullet.
00:25:14.140And we're in a situation now where this genie is so far out of the bottle that we're looking at boosters and annual shots far into the future and just learning to live with it.
00:25:28.740And the problem is that the technology, these faux vaccines just don't have the firepower to deal with the number of mutations.
00:25:37.940And the biggest problem we have and Doc Malone, who invented the RNA technology, and I have written several articles about this in The Washington Times, which it's basic virology 101, Megan.
00:25:51.600And if you have people getting the vaccine and the virus encounters them, they will develop mutations that are resistant to the vaccine.
00:26:02.120And if you vaccinate everybody with a universal vaccine, you run the very real risk of creating a mutation that hits the vaccinate.
00:26:11.680And so that's like what you what you sound like you're bashing the concept of vaccines, which were developed during the Trump presidency.
00:26:19.260You're not bashing the concept of a vaccine.
00:26:21.340No, no. Let's be clear. I'm not. See, that's the thing.
00:26:25.020I'm the last person anybody can accuse of being anti-vax because I helped create this thing.
00:26:30.020Yeah. But this is not this is not polio and smallpox.
00:26:34.800No, it's not like you take it. You're not going to get it.
00:26:36.880It's a disease that takes that takes away those diseases forever.
00:26:41.220OK, what we have here is a leaky and non-durable vaccine.
00:26:47.420The durability is the issue where you keep got to get boosters.
00:26:50.600The leaky is that you can still get the disease if you get vaccinated.
00:26:55.300Right. And so the prudent, the prudent strategy here, Megan, this is really serious thing, is to only vaccinate the people who are at risk most from the disease.
00:27:08.420That is the elderly. That's people with comorbidities.
00:27:12.380And then everybody else who treat who have a very, very low risk of death, you treat with therapeutics.
00:28:06.080But I do see the reports that, you know, people are dying, obviously, and that more Republicans are dying, more Trump supporters, more Republicans, more conservatives are dying than, you know, people who consider themselves on the left.
00:28:21.140And it's not that that makes the death any more concerning or less concerning for me.
00:28:24.720My point is simply it's important that those people understand that the vaccine is effective at preventing death or hospitalization if you're somebody who's at risk for those things.
00:28:35.180So we can't crap all over it entirely.
00:28:49.780OK, this is the scariest thing in covid.
00:28:52.340If you if you look at a graph, right, by age and death rates, mortality rates, right, and you go from like one year old, right, to about 60, it's about a flat line.
00:30:11.520So wasn't there a Pfizer study recently confirming the risks of myocarditis from the vaccine?
00:30:18.580And now it's being suppressed, like reporting on the real side effects from the vaccines, even from the vax manufacturers, is being stifled because Twitter and the other social media giants are so determined not to have you understand any of the risks, however large or small they may be.
00:30:48.460She hasn't had covid, but let's say she gets covid.
00:30:50.800Then I still have to vaccinate her post.
00:30:54.280So there's no question a child who gets covid has natural immunity thereafter.
00:30:57.860They already started at an incredibly low risk of transmitting it anyway.
00:31:01.280And now I've got to mandatorily vaccinate her, too, which it's after they had covid and they get a vaccine that potential risks go up.
00:31:08.660It is insane. And there's no way of really fighting if you live in a blue state because everyone in control thinks you're a nutcase if you say anything negative about the vaccine or masks.
00:31:20.360And this is where I get back to Fauci's original sin, a lie of omission.
00:31:26.000It's like if you have the virus and you survive, you've got a very textured, broad based type of immunity, including T cell immunity, which is, according to Israeli studies, at least 20 times stronger than the vaccine itself.
00:31:45.020Now, if you vaccinate people who have those natural antibodies, there is some evidence that suggests that that interferes with those antibodies.
00:31:54.880So there's two reasons why you don't want to vaccinate the people who have antibodies.
00:31:59.440One is they have antibodies that are stronger. And two, you could actually weaken those antibodies.
00:32:04.760So that's that's just it's just an absolutely crazy thing to do.
00:32:09.620But by the way, I mean, you have your middle child's female.
00:32:25.140I looked at that. Trust me, I took a hard look at that either.
00:32:28.340I could not find evidence that proved it thus far.
00:32:30.900I had a long podcast with Brett Weinstein who'd been raising concerns and he had on two experts where they got they did a deep dive on that.
00:32:37.740I took a look at it and did not see evidence that that was real that created fertility concerns.
00:32:42.760Let me let me promote Doc Malone, have him on and you might get that.
00:32:48.820But I think I think the point here, going back to this suppression of data, this is the this is the Fauci doctrine of the good lie.
00:32:58.860Remember when when we were confronted with a shortage of N95 masks, Fauci went on TV and said that masks don't work.
00:33:08.920Yeah, there wouldn't be a run on the mask. That's typical Fauci behavior.
00:33:13.460The good lie. It's like, OK, don't tell people that this this vaccine can harm you because that'll that'll prevent universal vax.
00:33:23.220Oh, they're taking the negative reports like if they do a case study or a testing group and somebody has catastrophic results.
00:33:31.560We had a guy on the show. They remove your data from from the testing circle and it doesn't wind up in some cases in the final reporting.
00:33:39.720I mean, that's just dishonest. Let me shift gears with you, though, Peter, because I know you're you are an economist.
00:33:44.980You're truly an expert when it comes to this stuff. And I look around now at the economy and it it seems to me that Joe Biden should have been,
00:33:51.680you know, like like a racehorse running around the track, an easy glide to victory when he took office.
00:33:57.760Right. Because we had the vaccine. The economy had been waiting, you know, had been chomping at the bit to get going again.
00:34:03.220And it seemed like all you really had to do was let it, you know.
00:34:06.740But that's not where we are. We had a disappointing jobs report.
00:34:11.060We've got inflation, which even now the officials are saying is not transitory.
00:34:14.800We're stuck with it for the foreseeable future. The supply chain crisis remains, though it's slightly improving.
00:34:20.720And I wonder, what do you think his biggest errors have been that have put us in that place?
00:34:29.200I'm one of only three senior officials in the Trump White House who was with the president all the way from 2016 during the campaign.
00:34:38.180Yeah, it was you, Scavino. And who's who's the third person?
00:34:43.360Yeah. So so why do I mention that is because when I was the president's top economic advisor in 2016, we had we had a mantra.
00:34:55.060Right. I called it the four points of the policy compass to grow our economy.
00:35:00.860Right. I I knew as a macroeconomist that Biden, Obama had been trying to spend their way at kind of Keynesian spending their way out of what was actually
00:35:12.800a structural problem and it can't be done.
00:35:14.860So Obama, Biden had had basically doubled the national debt from 10 to 20 trillion dollars, but without any noticeable impact on strong growth and wages.
00:35:25.460We had stagnant growth. We had stagnant wages.
00:35:28.460We got in there and it was like the mantra was, OK, corporate tax cuts, not to benefit the corporations, but to bring investment home.
00:35:36.320It was deregulation. It was deregulation to make us more globally competitive.
00:35:40.640It was energy independence and strategic energy dominance. And most important for me, it was the the the fair trade so we could reduce the trade deficit and bring our jobs home.
00:35:53.020Those were four growth drivers we knew that would drive the economy.
00:35:57.020And then once I got into the White House, the president, we added a couple of things.
00:36:03.480One was certainly the buy American, hire American stuff, which was directly using executive orders to bring things here.
00:36:12.940It was increased defense spending. And as part of that, arms transfers.
00:36:17.160All of those things led to consistently beating the economic forecasts during the Trump administration.
00:36:25.480Every year we will we grew faster than what the CBO said we were going to do.
00:36:29.900And everybody's like scratching their heads. And I'm going, no, no, no, no.
00:36:32.840These are structural changes. Now, to your point, to your question, when Biden came in,
00:36:38.880he basically said about undoing every single one of those growth drivers in some way.
00:36:45.940Certainly wants to raise taxes. Regulations have already gone up.
00:36:50.080Our our our strategic energy dominance and energy independence is in shambles as our gas prices risen 60 percent on the trade issues.
00:37:01.300He's back backpedaling there. The defense budget is screeched to a halt.
00:37:07.840And so on that alone, you can't expect a good result if you're basically killing those growth drivers.
00:37:14.220Now, on top of that, he's making some significant policy errors.
00:37:21.020I mean, if you look for the universal vax policy, Megan, even if you support that from a health point of view,
00:37:29.860you have to acknowledge that in a time where you have the worst labor market distortions we've ever seen and labor market shortages,
00:37:39.120if you put a universal vax policy that's going to take some portion of longshoremen, truckers, pilots, food processors out of the workforce,
00:37:51.280that is only going to exacerbate your supply chain problems.
00:37:55.380And so on top of all this, of course, there is the fanning of inflation by all of this crazy trillion dollar upon trillion dollar Keynesian spending,
00:38:06.800which is driving inflation up even as we're our growth is slowing down.
00:38:13.100And, you know, I'm old enough to remember vividly the 1970s stagflation.
00:38:18.580And we're basically set up with that kind of scenario again.
00:38:23.220What about, you know, the Democrats would say Trump added seven point eight trillion to the debt when when he was in office with his tax cuts.
00:38:32.160And then, you know, the pandemic hit, which didn't help.
00:38:35.160But they you know, it's not exactly like Trump was not a spender.
00:38:38.480He, too, was a was a spender not to excuse Obama before him or Biden after Biden's just I mean, Biden's gone crazy with our money.
00:38:45.460But what do you make of that? Because that's I think that's a fair criticism that Trump spent a lot to.
00:38:49.480What do you say? Well, let's let's break that down.
00:38:52.680We spent a lot more on defense guilty as charged.
00:38:57.540But we were in a situation where our combat readiness was really in a very compromised position.
00:39:04.840And part of the Trump doctrine was peace through strength.
00:39:08.000And I think increasing the defense budget was was important.
00:39:12.300I think that when when the pandemic hit, we were in the fog of war.
00:39:21.440And I think a lot of the money early that was spent was simply trying to fill kind of the what we call in economics, the recessionary gap from from basically locking everybody down.
00:39:33.520So I don't think I don't think that was money poorly spent.
00:39:38.080But what we've done now is is we've become, at least on the Democrat side, desensitized to the longer run implications of government spending.
00:39:50.080And a lot of the spending we're doing now doesn't have the kind of target that we had in the Trump administration, which was to create jobs here, particularly blue collar manufacturing job.
00:40:03.380Instead, a lot of it is kind of pie in the sky and progressive redistribution.
00:40:08.640A lot of the green energy things are actually going to benefit China where all the batteries are made and things like that.
00:40:16.100So, sure, I mean, I understand that critique, but we are we are just in another dimension with the kind of money that they're getting ready to spend with this in this last round.
00:40:28.980And that one, I think, Megan, could be the straw that breaks the stagflationary back if they have their way.
00:40:36.720And, you know, shame on Mitch McConnell for facilitating that.
00:40:40.120I mean, I just that that is just inexcusable.
00:40:42.980It's inexcusable him and he and Kevin McCarthy simply do not belong as leadership of a Republican party that is that is committed to to fiscally conservative, sensibly economic policies.
00:40:58.240I remember back when I was young at Fox, it was like the Republicans.
00:41:00.900George W. Bush was talking a lot and the Tea Party was born, you know, sort of tighten the purse strings and watch out and don't saddle our kids with his debt.
00:41:08.120And then then the Republicans went silent on that.
00:41:12.360And those of us who have the purse in the wallet were saying, hey, where are advocates?
00:41:16.480I want to talk to you about the Chinese Olympics, because, as I mentioned at the top there, there's now a push.
00:41:23.720Now the Biden administration says we're going to do a diplomatic boycott, which means we're not going to send any politicians to the Beijing Olympics.
00:41:29.120Olympics, in response to which the world said, yawn, who cares?
00:41:32.360No one wanted our diplomats there anyway.
00:41:34.920And of course, the Chinese pulled their typical like, you can't quit.
00:41:37.300We fire you or, you know, you can't fire us.
00:42:02.680If you go back to the 2008 Beijing Olympics and simply look at the boost that gave to communist China in the world, you understand the political significance of holding these Olympics.
00:42:19.640And now if you fast forward to 2020, I mean, let's think about everything communist China has done and is doing, not just to the United States, to the world.
00:42:33.220I mean, one of the things I might go in into the Oval Office and say to the boss, hey, let's boycott the Olympics until China comes clean about the Wuhan virus here.
00:42:44.780That would be enough right there because they're never going to come clean.
00:42:50.740But so China attacks us with a deadly pandemic, kills over 700,000 Americans, destroys our economy.
00:43:00.420China puts over two million, over two million Uyghurs into concentration camps in Xinjiang province.
00:43:08.920And Megan, you know, the healthiest people in those prison camps are the people who are going to be used for, you know, illegal organ transplants.
00:43:19.420Those people, this is very well documented by human rights advocates.
00:43:27.440Those people who are unwilling organ donors will be stripped of their organs while they're alive, anesthetized, and then just literally burned.
00:43:37.560I mean, I've heard about the horrors in the Uyghur concentration camps.
00:43:43.560I've heard about forced sterilization, brutal beatings, and related torture.
00:43:48.120I have not heard about any of what you just said.
00:43:52.480Yeah, what's troubling about this, and I know you're on the YouTube channel, so let me recommend my Death by China movie that came out like in 2012.
00:45:06.160We've got the Chinese communist military basically sending planes over the Strait of Taiwan to try to coerce one of the finest democracies in the world to submit to the jackboots of China.
00:46:08.320And the only reason why we don't take a tough stand on them is because corporate America continues to somehow think that they're going to be able to go over to that market and make a few bucks.
00:46:20.480And to them, I say two letters, G-E, right?
00:47:45.340Either way, there are a lot of woke politicians using that word these days and diversity, equity and inclusion types devoted to making that word a thing.
00:47:55.440You see, Latino Americans was a way to refer to a group of people.
00:48:05.740At least that's what we think was behind its creation.
00:48:09.880So what do Hispanic Americans or those Americans of Latin descent think of Latinx?
00:48:15.340According to a new poll of 800 people conducted by a democratic firm last month, a grand total of 2% actually refer to themselves as Latinx or Latinx.
00:48:26.920That would be 16 people out of the 800.
00:48:28.880Meantime, 68% use the term Hispanic and 21% use the term Latino or Latina.
00:48:36.520But here is the real problem for the Dems.
00:48:38.740Out of those polled, 40% say they're actually offended or bothered by the term Latinx.
00:48:58.500No, according to a Pew Research Center report last year, nearly half of all Democratic lawmakers in Congress have used the term Latinx on social media.
00:49:07.980And they should be shamed compared to just one tiny percent of the Republican politicians.
00:49:13.220Would you like to see what it looks like when an old Democratic politician uses the term?
00:49:17.640Let's watch President Biden struggle to explain why Black Americans and Hispanic Americans aren't getting vaccinated at higher rates from June.
00:49:25.260There's a reason why it's been harder to get African Americans initially to get vaccinated because they're used to being experimented on.
00:50:24.260Joining me now, Dana Lash, host of The Dana Show on Radio America, No Apologies on The First TV, and author of the new children's book, Paws Off My Canon.
00:51:25.900I think actually it was the, it was the birth of my first son that ultimately kind of did it, that did it.
00:51:31.380And because when 9-11 happened, I had a, you know, four month old, almost five month old sitting in the living room floor and his little bouncy seat.
00:51:38.980And we were watching the buildings come down on television.
00:51:59.820I guess you could at the time say I was just a moderate, but my whole family were, they were all Democrats.
00:52:05.160I didn't meet a Republican until I went to college and my family kind of laughed and said, I went to the big city and got brainwashed when usually it's supposed to be the other way around.
00:52:14.340You know, like you leave and you go to college, you go to the big city, and then you become a liberal and kind of the opposite happened.
00:52:20.000But my whole family, they were all Democrats and mostly still are.
00:52:24.660So it was, yeah, it was very, it was very weird.
00:52:27.380It was a very weird time in 9-11 and having my first child just totally cemented it.
00:52:33.040We can all look back at those key moments in our lives where we were exposed to a different point of view that made us at least more fair and balanced, to steal a phrase, when it comes to looking at politics.
00:52:42.580And if you haven't had such an experience, I recommend you exposing yourself to different viewpoints, which you're probably doing by listening to this show if you're a liberal or a dem.
00:52:54.760You know, we're a spokesperson for the NRA for many years and somebody whose information I really trust because you know the laws, you know the evolution, you know all the arguments.
00:53:03.680So I wanted, you were the first person I wanted to talk to with this school shooter whose name we're not saying, but he's at this, he was at this Oxford High School in a suburb of Detroit, opened fire at the school.
00:53:13.040She fired 30 shots, four students were killed, six others injured.
00:53:17.640And of course he's been charged as he should be.
00:53:20.380But the turn of charging his parents is really interesting to me.
00:53:27.520They're basically trying to say the parents knew that he was a potential problem when they bought him the gun not long before this incident and that they knew or had reason to know that he was a likely school shooter so they shouldn't have done that.
00:53:40.720Yeah, this is a really, this is such a heartbreaking case and it's so, it's frustrating, especially with when the parents apparently, I guess after the prosecutor had the press conference and announced that they were going to bring charges to the parents, apparently they didn't tell the sheriff for them to get the parents in custody.
00:53:56.380So the parents hightailed it out of there and there was something like, I guess they were going to take money out at $4,000 out of an ATM and then they were a couple of hours away from the Canadian border.
00:54:04.880So I try to, I'm trying to separate all the different parts of the story because while some things are related, one thing does not necessitate or justify one particular charge or, you know, one way of the prosecutors approaching the case.
00:54:18.360So the parents to me, I mean, on a personal level, and I don't know what I think about these parents.
00:54:23.380I mean, if you, if you realize that there's something going on with your child, I'm so involved in my kids' lives.
00:54:28.320I can imagine not knowing, I mean, when, I mean, my kids have phones, but they're not my children's phones.
00:54:33.900And if I want to check my phone and look at what your friends are saying on my phone, I will go in and check it any time of the day, any point, anywhere.
00:54:40.440And if they don't like it, they can go and they can buy their own phone, pay their own bills.
00:54:43.760They can be completely financially self-sufficient and they don't have to worry about oversight from the dictatorship that is mom, because this is not a democracy.
00:54:58.120And when I looked at the charges that the prosecutor was bringing, what I thought was interesting was that it was manslaughter charges.
00:55:05.440Now, there are negligence laws in every single state in the union that address situations like this.
00:55:11.320You know, for instance, if you have parents that, you know, they give their keys to their car to their child and their child is inebriated and they drive and they cause an accident.
00:55:19.820I mean, there's some there's some culpability there under certain state laws with negligence, et cetera.
00:55:25.440But from negligence to manslaughter is a very interesting escalation.
00:55:30.120And I don't know what all the prosecutor is looking at because they haven't made every single thing public.
00:55:37.960But we also know that there are separate from the tragedy and the awfulness that happened and separate from, you know, using common sense as parenting.
00:55:45.340Are we really going to go to that that new level where we are upping from negligence to manslaughter?
00:55:53.760Because there are a lot of things that are going to fall under that umbrella that will affect people who do not own firearms and people who do not ever plan to own firearms.
00:56:02.400And so that's kind of what I'm paying attention to, that precedent that may or may not be established.
00:56:06.900And additionally, I mean, that's a case that the prosecutor is going to have to make.
00:56:11.060I mean, if you're going all the way up to manslaughter, there are instances and you know this with your with your legal background, Megan, that where prosecutors will bring, Diaz will bring charges and maybe they're they're not able to prove them.
00:56:22.780They bring the strongest charge possible, but they're not able to prove it.
00:56:25.800And so they end up, you know, the suspect ends up walking because the state kind of overshot their mark.
00:56:31.280Yeah. And I don't know if that's the situation here or if this is a criminal case against the parents.
00:56:37.240I think the parents can be sued 100 percent, but I just don't see this as a criminal case against the parents.
00:56:44.420What I've seen so far is parents making irresponsible decisions and ignoring what may have been warning signs.
00:56:50.700I don't know until you get to the day in question.
00:56:53.080All I've seen in terms of prior to that day, and as you point out, there may be much more, but prior to that day, what I see is parents who bought their son, who we now know had severe mental problems.
00:57:03.240Obviously, you don't shoot up a school if you don't a gun that they celebrated it on social media.
00:57:09.800I mean, it's OK. That's there's nothing wrong with doing that in the abstract and that when he got in trouble for looking at ammo on his phone at school, his mother, rather than reprimanding him, said, LOL, I'm not mad at you.
00:57:24.140Just don't let them catch you. That to me sounds like a mother who enjoys guns and doesn't and wants her son to understand that they can be fun, you know, used properly.
00:57:32.920They can be, you know, an entertaining sort of pastime. And I don't I didn't draw any terrible conclusions from her not getting upset that he was looking at pictures of ammo on his phone.
00:57:42.540If you're in gun enthusiast family, that's not unusual. That's not some weird thing. That doesn't necessarily mean you're a school shooter.
00:57:48.920It's the other stuff that came later from what I've gathered so far, like the note that he was caught writing in class saying, you know, I want to find the quotes because I don't want to.
00:57:59.640It says, basically, now I become death, destroyer of worlds. See you tomorrow, Oxford.
00:58:07.840OK, that was that was something he posted. And then in the class, he got really dark and talked about how depressed he was.
00:58:15.400And it's clearly suggested he might shoot people. And at that point, the parents were called in and did not want him pulled out of school.
00:58:22.860That was a mistake. But but the theory, Dana, that these parents are so culpable, they they sat there with the school believing he was about to shoot people and said, keep him in school.
00:58:34.060Keep him. Keep him here. I don't buy that. They I don't believe these parents understood what they were dealing with.
00:58:39.480And clearly the school didn't either. The school clearly didn't.
00:58:43.420I mean, when they when the parents are there at the school and they're talking about the kids behavior and any kind of concerns they may have and they don't check his backpack.
00:58:50.340And then three hours later, three hours later, this awfulness happens.
00:58:54.020I mean, to me, I think I think ultimately it all starts in the home and parents should be aware.
00:58:59.440And that's I don't. And I think anyone listening would know that you and I are not disputing that.
00:59:03.700But you made a really good point when he was looking at ammo in class.
00:59:06.380Oh, my gosh. If people saw my search results, it's ammo, dog sweaters, it's holsters.
00:59:13.780It's a bunch of weird stuff that doesn't make any sense.
00:59:16.400Algorithms hate me. And they're like, why is she why is she looking for this now?
00:59:20.540Like, I can't go anywhere without an ad popping up for a holster because I was looking for an inside appendix carry inside the waistband holster.
01:00:21.940And that's something that I think we should be examining, maybe even more, more than the fact that he was like Googling for for ammo and during class.
01:00:29.840The mental health breakdown is what we need to focus in on.
01:00:33.700What did they know about that? Because clearly you should not buy a firearm for a teenage boy or or anybody, but especially a 15 year old kid.
01:00:40.340If, you know, he's got mental problems. I mean, that that seems pretty clear.
01:00:44.700People are upset, Dana, that he that the weapon wasn't locked up.
01:00:47.700And I guess Michigan doesn't require that.
01:00:50.700So I don't know that that's going to be the basis for, you know, criminal charges.
01:00:54.860But even last night, I saw some friends and these are, you know, sort of more left leaning New York, you know, liberals.
01:01:01.340And they were like, that gun should have been locked up.
01:01:04.280There should be laws that the gun should be locked up.
01:01:05.880You know, and I wonder what you think of that, whether there should be they should change the law.
01:01:10.340And how is it that a 15 year old who may have been exhibiting mental health issues can get a gun?
01:01:19.840I'm against any kind of like the New York, New York past New York safe act.
01:01:23.280The man and there's a lot of other things that go along with that.
01:01:25.600I'm against storage laws because I think, well, who's going to enforce that?
01:01:28.740If you're if you're establishing a storage law, mandatory storage law,
01:01:32.500is the state going to send an agent to come in and inspect and make sure who first off, who defines what is or is not safe storage?
01:01:38.640And then secondly, who's going to come and make sure that your storage meets state's expectations for responsibility or their legally defined responsibility?
01:01:47.860I don't like leaving that up into the up into the hands of a government that I think is more irresponsible than I am.
01:01:53.540And people and I and especially government bureaucrats who I think know less about firearms and firearm storage than we do.
01:02:02.160We have like, for instance, in my home, I have a number of safes in my home.
01:02:18.320I keep I keep my firearms just because I like everything to be organized and orderly and because I maybe will have a different EDC everyday everyday carry, depending on what what I'm wearing.
01:02:28.700Ladies carry a little differently than the men do.
01:02:30.880You know, we don't wear jackets all the time.
01:02:33.300And so I like to carry a little bit differently.