The Megyn Kelly Show - FBI Director Kash Patel Reveals NEW Details of Pipe Bomber Arrest, and Ongoing Mysteries, with John Solomon and Jim Fitzgerald

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00:01:00.840 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:01:12.620 Hey, everyone. I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:01:14.280 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:15.400 As we reported yesterday, the Trump administration did in 10 months what the Biden administration

00:01:19.980 couldn't or wouldn't do for four years.

00:01:23.100 They arrested the suspected January 6th pipe bomber.

00:01:27.120 30-year-old Brian Cole Jr., a black man from Woodbridge in Northern Virginia,

00:01:32.580 is charged now with transporting an explosive device across state lines with intent to kill

00:01:37.140 or harm and attempted malicious destruction using explosives.

00:01:41.960 Cole faces up to 30 years in prison.

00:01:43.700 He's due in court today, where we should learn even more about him.

00:01:46.860 And while we still do not know specifics about his motive, we told you on AM Update this morning

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00:03:16.940 Let me start with the news breaking right now from NBC reporting that the suspect is cooperating

00:03:23.600 with the FBI.

00:03:25.220 Is that true?

00:03:25.720 So, Megan, yes, it's a great coalition that brought us to this point where we arrested

00:03:32.500 the pipe bomber that terrorized our nation five years ago.

00:03:36.000 And in terms of what's ongoing, it's a little difficult to talk about because the suspect

00:03:40.820 is now in the court proceedings.

00:03:42.680 But as you would suspect or expect from the FBI, we do engage with all suspects that are

00:03:47.600 arrested to see if they're willing to speak to us.

00:03:50.200 And those matters are ongoing.

00:03:51.380 Dan Bongino told Hannity last night that you guys have interviewed him at length.

00:03:57.240 Is that something you can provide any color on?

00:04:00.140 We have.

00:04:01.220 We've sat down with him and talked to him.

00:04:03.300 For us, though, we can't divulge the substance of those conversations because the prosecutors

00:04:08.060 in the Department of Justice are going to be the ones that adjudicate that information

00:04:11.840 as to whether or not they need to use it in the court of law and present it for purposes

00:04:15.840 of indictment and grand jury and further execution of search warrants.

00:04:19.720 So this is a very much an ongoing investigation.

00:04:22.040 We're going to be continuing to conduct multiple search warrants.

00:04:25.500 We're going to continue to put multiple witnesses in grand juries because we want to make sure

00:04:29.360 we've captured the totality of this individual's conduct.

00:04:33.400 OK, but he is talking.

00:04:35.600 He's speaking to us.

00:04:37.320 Wow.

00:04:37.820 Has he lawyered up?

00:04:38.740 Um, I can't get into that because it, uh, it infringes on some of these constitutional

00:04:44.480 rights and, um, we at the FBI are going to uphold even this individual's constitutional

00:04:49.380 rights to due process.

00:04:50.600 Let me ask you this question.

00:04:51.780 Have you seen Benjamin Crump at all?

00:04:56.760 I have not seen him, um, but maybe we will later.

00:05:02.700 You might, yeah, given the family's history from, you know, what we're gathering now reporting

00:05:06.620 over at the daily wire that he represented the dad, um, can you outline for us or give

00:05:11.500 us a better feel cash for what was sitting at the FBI for those past four years?

00:05:15.920 And then what did you guys add to it?

00:05:17.920 I know you didn't get new tips, but you also talked yesterday at the presser about working

00:05:21.300 with Jeanine Pirro and the DOJ.

00:05:23.060 When you needed a subpoena, they would give it to you because the lawyers need to arm the

00:05:27.280 investigators, the cops with the tools to get what they need.

00:05:30.460 So what, what did you add to, um, and what was already sitting there for those four years?

00:05:37.540 Well, let's work backwards because it's executing a search warrant and subpoenas, our position

00:05:42.480 FBI wants to get to, but in order to get there, we have to have probable cause and targets and

00:05:48.600 accounts that we need to examine.

00:05:50.580 So what the FBI did was we went through 3 million lines of evidence in this case and

00:05:55.620 deputy director Bongino spearheaded an effort to create a team here nationally of subject

00:06:02.560 matter experts that came into the FBI and reviewed those 3 million lines of evidence that included

00:06:07.300 information such as cell phone data, tower dumps, triangulation information.

00:06:12.260 So the FBI has some of the best cell phone analysis systems in the world.

00:06:15.360 We call it a cast system.

00:06:16.560 And basically we said, Hey, let's look at every single phone number.

00:06:20.460 Again, that was in the area.

00:06:22.160 That's what I mean.

00:06:22.920 When we said we didn't receive any new information.

00:06:24.660 We just reviewed the information that was already in our holdings and our databases.

00:06:30.180 And when we went through that, we found leads that we then went with our great prosecutors

00:06:34.460 at the department of justice and attorney general Bondi and us attorney Janine Pirro and said,

00:06:38.860 Hey, now we need some search warrants.

00:06:40.820 Now we need search warrants on these providers, social media accounts, email accounts, cell phone

00:06:45.900 accounts, and we need to ultimately execute search warrants of his residence and place of

00:06:51.420 business because that's where this individual went most.

00:06:54.660 And so naturally we had to develop enough probable costs to get there.

00:06:59.420 And that takes a little bit of time.

00:07:01.880 Did this guy's name, Brian Cole, exist in the system before you guys found him, you identified

00:07:08.340 him?

00:07:09.360 That piece of information will reveal in court because that's the appropriate place to reveal

00:07:14.260 it in terms of any history or prior contacts with law enforcement.

00:07:18.100 As I said, the investigation is ongoing.

00:07:20.040 So it's not just whether or not he had contact with the FBI.

00:07:22.520 Did he have contact with the state authorities?

00:07:24.800 Did he have contact with the local authorities?

00:07:26.560 Did he have any contact in the juvenile system?

00:07:28.700 Those are all questions we're answering now because we have to send out those leads to our

00:07:32.600 partners after the individual is identified and say, Hey, what do you guys have on him?

00:07:36.260 Because we're not done with the investigation.

00:07:38.660 And then we go back to our U.S.

00:07:39.880 attorney partners and DOJ and say, Hey, we need some more search warrants.

00:07:43.180 And I'm just making this up in the state of wherever because he lived there for a period

00:07:47.920 of time.

00:07:48.540 Those are things we don't know the definitive answers to just yet, but those are the things

00:07:51.640 we're developing.

00:07:52.980 The credit card information around his purchases seems clutch.

00:07:57.080 Is that something that you, that you must've gotten that yourselves because it seems to

00:08:01.780 me what you're telegraphing is you identified from cell phone data among other data, cell

00:08:06.880 phone tower data, he was on your list.

00:08:08.940 And then you started narrowing the circle, but then at some point you had to get a subpoena

00:08:13.120 for his credit cards because you do require a probable cause to get somebody's credit card

00:08:17.140 data.

00:08:17.400 You can't just get that because you've got a list of 10,000.

00:08:20.160 There would have had to be something a little bit more narrowly cast.

00:08:23.140 And then you start like, like a scene from Homeland on Showtime with Claire Danes and the

00:08:29.540 whiteboard.

00:08:30.200 This is how I picture it.

00:08:31.360 Looking at the visa, the MasterCard, the Home Depot, the Walmart purchases and cross pollinating

00:08:36.900 like the pipe bombs, the end caps, the battery, the kitchen timer, and which person on this

00:08:43.600 list has got all of, who appears on every list.

00:08:47.700 Is that basically how it went down?

00:08:49.360 So there's multiple lines of effort, as we call it, right, going on at this time.

00:08:54.680 Not only are we looking for credit card information as to his transaction history, we're also looking

00:09:00.080 at his social media accounts, email accounts to see what he put out on the internet and

00:09:05.220 who, if he communicated with anyone.

00:09:07.620 While we're doing that simultaneously, we're also looking at, it's been publicized, about

00:09:11.440 the uniqueness of the sneakers.

00:09:12.900 Okay, well, who bought this type of sneaker?

00:09:14.660 And as it's been disclosed in the affidavit, which we can now talk about, this individual

00:09:19.560 bought pipes, end caps, wires, bomb-making material.

00:09:24.380 So those are all pretty good and significant investigative leads in terms of individually.

00:09:30.780 But when you combine them with the multiple lines of effort, the universe of people goes

00:09:34.680 from this down to here.

00:09:36.480 And that's what we have to do.

00:09:37.460 There was, of course, like any investigation like this, which is a massive manhunt, multiple

00:09:41.620 suspects that we have to eliminate along the way because most people or everyone else that

00:09:46.740 didn't do this is innocent.

00:09:48.540 And so we have to work through that process methodically before we just go out and arrest

00:09:52.720 people.

00:09:53.380 And those sort of come in together when we, you know, if you imagine concentric circles,

00:09:57.760 oh, he bought end caps.

00:09:58.640 Okay, did he buy these sneakers?

00:10:00.160 Who was he talking to on this day?

00:10:01.720 Where was his cell phone pinging on this day and this time?

00:10:04.920 At the same time, other suspects along the way were saying, do they have alibis?

00:10:09.680 Were they even around?

00:10:10.700 Why are they suspects?

00:10:12.120 You know, a lot of people are allowed to buy some of these parts individually for actual

00:10:16.460 lawful use.

00:10:17.540 So we can't go out just and arrest those people because they bought one end cap.

00:10:21.580 And so that totality of information, when you go through 3 million lines of evidence,

00:10:25.560 literally, that has to take time to narrow down.

00:10:28.540 And we don't have a computer system that does that.

00:10:31.260 We had humans that we brought in from around the country to do this for hundreds of days and

00:10:36.220 thousands of man hours.

00:10:37.800 It's crazy.

00:10:38.640 It's incredible to think about.

00:10:39.500 And then on top of it, according to the affidavit, you line all that up with the scanners that

00:10:45.680 have his license plate getting him to the location.

00:10:49.020 I mean, that's a cherry on top of the sundae once you have the cell phone data showing his

00:10:53.060 cell phone at the RNC, at the DNC, at the necessary times.

00:10:57.060 He purchased the pipes.

00:10:58.220 He purchased the end caps.

00:10:59.400 He purchased the timers.

00:11:00.780 He purchased the batteries, the wires and all that.

00:11:03.640 And then whatever else you found on email.

00:11:05.740 And then, boom, his car was actually it delivered him right to the place.

00:11:08.960 And it looks like, according to the affidavit, you had seen him.

00:11:12.400 You were able to place him at the same location earlier, like scouting or buying a meal.

00:11:18.300 The last part of the affidavit suggests he was in that location prior to the date the

00:11:22.920 bombs were planted, possibly scouting, possibly just checking out the area.

00:11:27.860 Right.

00:11:28.440 Obviously, we need to match the description of the suspect on video.

00:11:32.000 The video has been publicized for years.

00:11:33.980 But what this FBI did was came in and enhanced the video.

00:11:36.400 I don't know why the prior FBI didn't do that.

00:11:38.520 I don't know why the prior FBI didn't look at the three million lines of evidence.

00:11:41.520 I don't know why they didn't use our cell phone capabilities and our technological capabilities

00:11:45.340 at the FBI.

00:11:46.460 The only thing I can come up with is either they were too incompetent in terms of leadership

00:11:49.960 or intentional.

00:11:51.280 And I think it was intentional because it was a further weaponization of law enforcement.

00:11:55.420 So when you match up the suspect's height and physical appearance with things like a

00:11:59.960 license plate reader that attributes to him and further information such as cell phone

00:12:04.680 pings, you're getting into a very small circle of people that it could be.

00:12:09.460 And once we're able to execute law enforcement process and search warrants over these last

00:12:13.320 few months, we were able to produce what he bought, where he bought it, when he bought

00:12:18.520 it, and the history of buying it and how often he bought it.

00:12:21.540 And remember, this kid was 25 years old at the time of the incident.

00:12:25.160 He's now 30 years old.

00:12:26.580 There's a five-year history of information that the FBI has to go through to make sure we've

00:12:31.900 captured all the information for our prosecuting partners.

00:12:35.620 He was buying stuff from October of 19 through and actually after this attempted bombing.

00:12:43.180 He kept buying, according to Jeanine Pirro, even after the pipe bombs were found and did

00:12:47.760 not go off.

00:12:48.780 But it started, you know, originally we thought maybe, OK, there was something about him buying

00:12:52.420 all the stuff on June 1st and June 8th, 2020.

00:12:55.680 What was in the news then?

00:12:57.280 George Floyd had just been killed on May 25th.

00:12:59.840 Could it be related?

00:13:00.620 But the truth is he had started purchasing this stuff as early as October 18th or October

00:13:05.760 of 2019, before all that.

00:13:08.780 And Cash, what was interesting to me was for that long period from October 19 through January

00:13:14.140 21, he was buying the material at all these different Home Depots down in Northern Virginia

00:13:19.080 at a different store that sold, I think, the timers, like sort of the kitchen timers that

00:13:23.920 he used or the nine-volt batteries, I think it was.

00:13:25.980 Um, and a lot of the purchases in cash, but a lot of the purchases on his own credit card.

00:13:33.100 So in some ways he was clever in trying to cover up his tracks and in others, so not

00:13:38.080 clever.

00:13:38.660 I mean, does that make sense to you?

00:13:41.180 You know, look, we, we, this year alone, this FBI has arrested 25,000 violent felons.

00:13:46.860 That's twice as many from last year.

00:13:49.020 110% increase, literally.

00:13:51.460 And if you look across all those cases and all those criminals, they vary in how they

00:13:55.800 have their operational security, whether it's good, bad, or in between.

00:13:59.080 So it's almost impossible to decipher exactly every single piece of information that led

00:14:04.920 this individual to say, I'll use my credit card on this day, but I'll use cash on the

00:14:08.300 next day.

00:14:08.820 We'll try to develop that out so we can provide the public with a clear picture.

00:14:12.160 But it's not unusual to have mixed operational security, really good on one day, and then

00:14:17.140 maybe a slip up on the next day.

00:14:19.080 Big time.

00:14:20.380 Five years passed.

00:14:22.220 Five years have passed.

00:14:23.880 So this individual was basically out there saying, I got away with it.

00:14:28.520 I mean, he's not, he's not a, he's not a stupid person and he sees the news and he sees the

00:14:34.160 videos and he sees the commentary on social media and on TV.

00:14:37.520 And he's probably watching and saying, okay, maybe I'm, uh, maybe I'm off the hook.

00:14:42.280 We don't know the definitive answer.

00:14:44.240 How did you find the cash purchases?

00:14:47.780 Like there, there's information in the affidavit about how you guys found out, let's say there,

00:14:52.400 I think it was on the nine volt batteries.

00:14:53.900 You saw him purchasing some in, I think, November of 2020 and that was credit card, but then

00:14:59.360 also in December, 2020, and that was cash.

00:15:01.680 How did you, how did you track down his cash purchases?

00:15:04.060 This is what FBI agents do.

00:15:07.120 When you put them out in the field to investigate crimes, this is what they're trained to do.

00:15:11.700 They go out to the community.

00:15:12.920 They go out to the stores.

00:15:14.380 They go out and use video surveillance.

00:15:16.360 They go out and say, Hey, this is a local community in Northern Virginia that this individual

00:15:21.080 supposedly resided in for a period of time.

00:15:23.520 Do you know this guy?

00:15:24.700 Did he come into your store?

00:15:26.100 I'm just speaking generally.

00:15:27.400 Did he buy this specific product?

00:15:29.820 Because in a lot of these stores, it's unusual to walk in and buy one or two of these things

00:15:34.320 at any one time.

00:15:35.340 Did he do it again over the course of time?

00:15:37.680 And this is just a great investigative work of tireless agents who went out there and repeatedly

00:15:42.220 used these skills.

00:15:43.640 And look, along the way, Megan, there was a lot of strikeouts, but this FBI was not taken

00:15:49.640 off target by those strikeouts.

00:15:52.000 We stayed on mission until we connected with the stores and the service providers and the

00:15:58.160 accounts and the information behind him.

00:16:00.980 And also, once we figured out that this individual is a likely suspect, you know, we're not going

00:16:06.440 to just leave him be in the neighborhood.

00:16:08.720 This FBI creatively, successfully, and surreptitiously monitored him because we wanted to make sure there

00:16:14.440 was no future casualties.

00:16:15.480 Because remember, Megan, he made bombs that actually worked.

00:16:18.800 They just didn't go off, thank God.

00:16:22.320 It's not that he made a device and screwed it up and it was never going to go off.

00:16:26.820 Thankfully, it didn't go off.

00:16:27.880 But this individual had the capability and mindset to make bombs that actually worked.

00:16:32.560 And Janine Pera told Laura Ingram last night that when you arrested him yesterday, there

00:16:37.880 were additional bomb making materials in his home, including yesterday.

00:16:42.400 Is that true?

00:16:43.740 That's correct.

00:16:45.480 Wow.

00:16:46.380 Do you think he was making another?

00:16:48.800 That is the piece of the puzzle we're putting together.

00:16:51.840 So let me walk you through something that I haven't talked about yet.

00:16:54.700 When we go hit this individual's house and his place of work, it's not like we're going

00:16:59.380 to hit the house of a criminal suspect for fraud or we're going to hit the house of, say,

00:17:05.320 John Bolton.

00:17:06.340 It's very different.

00:17:07.480 We know this individual is making bombs.

00:17:09.680 So we have to send in an entire bomb tech squad team to safeguard the house.

00:17:14.960 That takes hours and hours.

00:17:17.480 And then and then only once it's cleared safe, do we send in our evidence response teams to

00:17:22.240 go in there?

00:17:22.940 They're there.

00:17:23.540 They're still there.

00:17:24.280 They're still going through it because that's how long it takes because we can't put FBI

00:17:28.100 agents in harm's way just to collect evidence.

00:17:30.500 So that's why this search is taking so long and will continue, in my opinion, probably throughout

00:17:35.840 the weekend and into the coming weeks.

00:17:37.920 And we're going to start talking to his family members and associates and putting those people

00:17:42.720 probably, in my opinion, in grand juries.

00:17:45.100 But that is a decision up to the Department of Justice.

00:17:47.440 And we'll work with them to make sure we get every single witness they need in the box.

00:17:51.820 What was his reaction when he was arrested?

00:17:53.600 Um, I can't really characterize that because that's going to be presented ultimately in

00:18:00.020 court.

00:18:00.520 We have it documented and it's a piece of the evidentiary chain.

00:18:04.980 And we want that to be presented without, um, tarnishing our judicial records.

00:18:11.300 So we're working closely with Janine Pirro and the attorney general to make sure that

00:18:14.840 information is tightly held till we submit it publicly.

00:18:17.740 Let me ask you this.

00:18:18.660 Now, having had 24 hours to process this since, you know, post arrest, is there any

00:18:23.500 doubt in your mind you have the right man?

00:18:26.060 We, we, we've got the right guy, um, based on how the totality of information and other

00:18:31.200 information we haven't publicly released yet that we just can't right now.

00:18:34.540 I know the public wants to know everything right away, but I want to remind the American

00:18:39.460 public how this FBI operates.

00:18:41.380 Yes, we are the most transparent FBI in history.

00:18:44.180 We have provided 40,000 pages of documents to Congress versus Ray who provided 13,007 years

00:18:49.200 and Comey provided 3,000 in three and a half years.

00:18:51.900 But while we're simultaneously doing that and doing shows like yours to inform the public,

00:18:56.580 we are reaching the point of accountability that everybody wants.

00:18:59.660 Nobody wants this individual, the pipe bomber to walk away freely.

00:19:03.800 Nobody wants us to not protect the investigation.

00:19:06.000 I totally get that.

00:19:08.080 Right.

00:19:08.340 And, and I get, I understand that there's frustration, but that's how we do it here.

00:19:12.720 All right.

00:19:12.860 Let me ask you a couple of other questions that may fall within the bucket of can't go there

00:19:16.280 yet, but let's try.

00:19:17.080 Um, you mentioned social, his social media and emails.

00:19:20.680 Is there anything that you gleaned out of there when it comes to motive that you can

00:19:24.000 share?

00:19:24.760 You know, especially when it comes to motive, that's just not something we can address right

00:19:28.520 now.

00:19:29.340 Will we hear that at the arraignment today?

00:19:30.860 Will we hear more about that today?

00:19:32.420 That's up to the prosecutors, the timeline as to which they wish to reveal that information.

00:19:37.420 Um, they are the ones who have to present the case to the judge and the jury.

00:19:40.980 So they'll make those calls.

00:19:42.480 We at the FBI will make sure they have the totality of that information to use at their

00:19:46.700 disposal when they decide.

00:19:48.320 Do you believe as of this hour that he acted alone?

00:19:52.000 We're still looking at, um, a lot of information.

00:19:55.880 Uh, right now we believe that we have the suspect responsible for the pipe bomb, but what

00:20:01.500 this FBI will do is continue to interview individuals, continue to execute search warrants.

00:20:06.100 And if anyone contacted him, if anyone helped him, uh, hide from law enforcement, or if anyone

00:20:11.800 helped him actually, um, conduct this, uh, bombing campaign, we'll find them and we will

00:20:18.600 arrest them.

00:20:19.880 NBC News reporting this morning that the man charged, uh, this man, Brian Cole told the

00:20:26.200 FBI, he believed conspiracy theories about the 2020 election, citing two people familiar

00:20:31.600 with the matter.

00:20:32.380 Can you comment on that?

00:20:34.740 Uh, no, I'm not going to comment.

00:20:36.100 On anonymous sources and especially not comment on anything he did or didn't say pursuant to

00:20:40.440 a law enforcement interview.

00:20:42.340 They're basically trying to suggest that he was somebody who believed the election was

00:20:46.520 stolen from Trump.

00:20:47.600 Do you have any idea of political ideology of this guy?

00:20:51.140 All of that is currently being examined.

00:20:53.240 Literally.

00:20:53.640 We just got to the individual last yesterday morning and, um, we've been working with him

00:20:59.660 and our prosecutors to sit down and make sure while we interrogate him and if he is cooperating,

00:21:05.340 we are able to constitutionally obtain information that we can later use in court.

00:21:09.500 So information like that will be made public through the prosecution.

00:21:13.740 Okay.

00:21:14.280 And also I got to ask any connection to Antifa, to BLM or to law enforcement?

00:21:19.740 All of those things are being investigated.

00:21:23.220 Okay.

00:21:24.080 Um, let's keep going.

00:21:25.960 Cause there's a lot.

00:21:26.740 You mentioned that you think it was intentional that the earlier, that the Chris Ray FBI did

00:21:30.560 not get to the bottom of this.

00:21:32.200 Why?

00:21:32.760 Because, you know, in my experience covering government, 99% of the time, the safe bet is

00:21:36.860 on incompetence.

00:21:37.580 But what, what was it about this guy that would make them not want to hunt him down?

00:21:43.140 Or are you suggesting it's not that they knew it was this guy and weren't interested.

00:21:46.620 They just weren't interested in general.

00:21:49.460 I think it was a leadership decision.

00:21:51.740 Look, we came in and wiped out the leadership that weaponized the FBI.

00:21:55.760 We put in new field leaders across the country.

00:21:57.880 We sent a thousand agents into the field across America to literally hit the streets and do the

00:22:03.200 investigative work it takes to bring individuals like this to justice.

00:22:06.300 That was a huge tectonic shift in the mindset of how this place was institutionalized by Washington,

00:22:12.200 D.C. and prior leadership.

00:22:13.920 And as I said, at the beginning of the interview, we made the decision to go in and re-examine

00:22:18.340 the lines of evidence that they had and the cell phone data and the tower dumps.

00:22:22.200 Why the prior administration didn't use the technical capabilities that were present,

00:22:26.720 I don't know.

00:22:27.580 Other than to say they intentionally decided not to do it and, or they were satisfied that

00:22:33.080 this individual who is captured on CCTV, putting pipe bombs at the RNC and DNC at the United

00:22:40.220 States Capitol, the prior administration was satisfied with, we're just, we're just running

00:22:45.140 out of road.

00:22:45.840 So we're going to move on to Arctic frost and continue the Russiagate weaponization.

00:22:50.520 Those were intentional decisions.

00:22:52.080 Those took FBI agents off target of important missions like this and arresting violent offenders

00:22:57.900 around the country, which we have removed those bracelets from our investigators and our

00:23:02.280 intel analysts and support staff.

00:23:04.440 Here's Democratic Senator Mark Warner of Virginia and his hot take on the arrest.

00:23:09.400 Watch.

00:23:09.560 But I got to tell you, it kind of makes me looking at this crowd doing a victory lap when all

00:23:19.400 the senior FBI officials across all key divisions have been fired for political purposes, when

00:23:25.100 in some field offices, up to 45 percent of the FBI officers who are doing things like counter

00:23:31.920 espionage and cyber, have been assigned to do immigration cases, it's a little rich that

00:23:39.300 they're saying America is safer.

00:23:41.120 How much earlier could we have caught this guy if resources hadn't been diverted?

00:23:45.920 And I hope it would also remind folks that on January 6th, I was here at the Capitol on

00:23:50.840 January 6th, it was an ugly, awful day.

00:23:54.100 And this administration and this president basically pardoned all the perpetrators.

00:23:59.020 You know, it's that kind of picking and choosing of facts from this crowd that makes me a little

00:24:06.420 bit crazy.

00:24:07.820 Your reaction to that?

00:24:09.960 I got a lot.

00:24:10.980 So let me take that in sequential order.

00:24:13.520 First of all, the victims of this bombing campaign were our elected representatives on

00:24:19.780 both sides of the aisle.

00:24:21.460 And I haven't received phone calls from anyone except Republicans on this matter.

00:24:26.120 I spoke to Speaker Mike Johnson and the deputy has spoken to a lot of other individuals.

00:24:30.120 And we want to protect all victims.

00:24:32.440 That's what we did here.

00:24:33.520 This wasn't a political investigation.

00:24:35.960 They wanted to, this individual wanted to blow up Democrats, Republicans, and innocent

00:24:39.180 American civilians.

00:24:40.520 Now, when it comes to us taking people off mission, we have never been more on mission.

00:24:46.120 We have this year alone arrested 35 percent more spies from China, Russia, Iran, and the

00:24:52.400 DPRK than last year alone.

00:24:54.560 If we were off mission, how did we successfully take down 35 percent more spies?

00:24:58.640 If we were off mission, how are our domestic terrorism arrests up 30 percent from last year

00:25:03.920 alone?

00:25:04.600 If we were off mission, how have we dismantled 1,800 criminal gang enterprises?

00:25:11.720 That is up 35 percent.

00:25:15.040 Megan, we have found 6,000 children and identified 6,000 children.

00:25:19.520 That is an increase of 23 percent from last year alone.

00:25:23.440 We've seized enough fentanyl to kill 127 million Americans.

00:25:27.140 That's up 30 percent from last year alone.

00:25:30.660 So if we weren't doing the work, the mission of the FBI to defend the homeland and crush violent

00:25:35.060 crime, then what are these political statements about?

00:25:39.220 In my opinion, they're just that.

00:25:41.300 Political statements that are going, that are yelling back into an empty ether.

00:25:45.380 But this FBI is doing the work.

00:25:47.520 And I want to highlight one thing because I know it's near and dear to your heart.

00:25:49.980 The work this FBI is doing against crimes against children.

00:25:52.540 We have arrested people, child predator and child predator rings up 15 percent.

00:25:59.120 On top of that, the sick individuals that are preying on our kids online and these what

00:26:03.360 we call nihilistic violent extremist networks like 764.

00:26:06.520 Do you know how many arrests we have this year alone?

00:26:08.240 We are up 510 percent from last year alone.

00:26:13.760 And we've arrested four, four of the FBI's top 10 most wanted fugitives in the world in

00:26:19.980 nine months.

00:26:20.640 That equals the total number of the entirety of the prior administration.

00:26:24.920 So if we are off mission, if we are politicizing it, if we are not protecting our country against

00:26:30.300 spying activity, if we are not on the counterterrorism mission.

00:26:33.480 Oh, and by the way, we got the Abbey Gate bomber, too.

00:26:35.840 I forgot to mention that.

00:26:36.940 If we are not defending the homeland and every single American's rights, I have never seen

00:26:41.360 an FBI more on mission.

00:26:43.400 And the fact that the Democrats want to politicize this shows you the lengths that they will go

00:26:47.980 to.

00:26:48.360 I don't need a call or a thank you from them.

00:26:50.580 I want them to know that irrespective of what they say, me, the deputy and this FBI are going

00:26:56.020 to continue to stay on mission and protect all Americans from all walks of life, regardless

00:27:00.300 of people and their motivations.

00:27:02.720 Did you get a phone call from Kamala Harris at all?

00:27:05.980 No.

00:27:06.940 Did you guys find a social media footprint for this guy at all and then take it down?

00:27:14.360 Because one doesn't exist right now that we can see publicly.

00:27:16.940 So in terms of taking it down, that's up to the service providers ultimately working with

00:27:22.860 us.

00:27:23.720 And in terms of what we're doing on his social media accounts, we've issued search warrants

00:27:28.000 to those accounts.

00:27:29.040 Some of it's concluded.

00:27:30.080 Some of it's ongoing.

00:27:30.900 So we'll make that public at the appropriate time.

00:27:33.680 If there's...

00:27:34.140 Okay.

00:27:34.160 So there were social media posts.

00:27:36.120 We just...

00:27:36.580 We haven't seen them.

00:27:38.040 There may have been.

00:27:39.100 And we just...

00:27:39.620 We're still working through a lot of that information.

00:27:41.620 Okay.

00:27:41.880 This is all great.

00:27:42.620 Thank you so much for sharing so much with us.

00:27:44.800 We appreciate it.

00:27:45.420 Let me hit some other items that are in the news around the FBI.

00:27:48.980 I'll start with the one that's probably most important to our audience, and that's the

00:27:51.980 Charlie Kirk investigation cache.

00:27:54.640 Obviously, this audience includes huge fans of Charlie's.

00:27:59.460 He came on this show once every three weeks for years.

00:28:02.940 And so we're all watching that one very carefully.

00:28:05.860 Let me start with this, the most obvious.

00:28:07.320 Do you believe that we have the proper suspect in custody?

00:28:10.660 Do you believe that Tyler Robinson is, in fact, the man who killed Charlie Kirk?

00:28:15.400 Yes.

00:28:16.820 Do you believe he acted with the help of anyone else?

00:28:19.260 This investigation is being led by the Utah state authorities because it is a murder investigation.

00:28:26.360 So the FBI is a supporting role in the investigative process.

00:28:30.220 And so what we're doing is the same thing we did in the pipe bomb investigation.

00:28:33.320 The investigation is ongoing for us.

00:28:34.940 If there's any new leads or tips, we are exhausting them with search warrants and legal process.

00:28:39.480 But at the same time, we are working with the prosecutors in Utah to make sure we don't screw

00:28:44.080 up their investigation.

00:28:45.420 Because, again, the worst outcome would be if the guy that killed Charlie Kirk walks out

00:28:50.200 of a United States courtroom in the state of Utah.

00:28:52.940 And so it's a delicate balance, again.

00:28:54.880 But there is no way this FBI is going to stop that investigation until it reaches its all-conclusive

00:29:01.460 endpoint.

00:29:03.180 Do you believe any foreign government had a role in his assassination?

00:29:05.980 At this time, the FBI doesn't have credible information to connect any foreign governments

00:29:13.000 to it.

00:29:13.780 But as I said, we are continuing to take investigative leads.

00:29:17.640 We're not done just because we arrest someone, just like in the pipe bomber case.

00:29:21.340 We don't just say, OK, we're done.

00:29:22.940 On to the next.

00:29:23.980 The investigation investigative team continues to work with the Utah authorities.

00:29:28.200 And they're deriving their own leads and coming back to us and say, hey, can you look

00:29:31.920 at this piece of information?

00:29:33.100 Can we get a search warrant on this account?

00:29:34.520 What about this individual who is located in X, Y, or Z?

00:29:37.560 We're tracking all that down.

00:29:39.600 Do you have any credible reason to believe that anyone connected with the Turning Point

00:29:43.020 organization had anything to do with Charlie's death?

00:29:47.000 Zero.

00:29:49.460 On the subject, there's been an allegation made by prominent podcaster Candace Owens that

00:29:55.900 she is she's received a death threat, a credible death threat from the French, that a threat has

00:30:02.800 been made on her life and that the French, she's been told, also may have had a role in Charlie's

00:30:07.540 assassination.

00:30:08.300 Have you looked into either of those?

00:30:10.180 Do you believe she's received a credible death threat from the French or that the French had

00:30:13.280 something potentially to do with Charlie's death?

00:30:16.340 Any American that receives a death threat from overseas or anywhere in America is going

00:30:22.760 to be fully investigated.

00:30:24.120 So we're not going to turn our eye away from that investigation or any others.

00:30:28.640 If there's anything to it, this FBI will respond to it.

00:30:32.540 Okay, but so far, no.

00:30:35.380 So we are just looking at everything that comes in.

00:30:37.980 We're not going to reject any piece of information.

00:30:40.280 If someone feels that their life is being threatened, we are, of course, looking at it.

00:30:44.700 I can verify that myself because we've received some very dark things here at our show, and

00:30:50.060 you guys have always been very responsive in looking hard at the people who send them.

00:30:55.260 Can I ask you, Cash, the text messages between Tyler Robinson and his roommate Lance Twiggs,

00:31:00.860 the reason a lot of people think Tyler didn't do it is because they sound kind of fake.

00:31:05.720 You know, the wording just sounds a little strange.

00:31:09.860 Like, I thought they caught the person, you know, or no, you weren't the one who did it,

00:31:15.780 right?

00:31:16.200 I am.

00:31:17.100 I'm sorry.

00:31:18.280 They go on from there.

00:31:19.440 Why did I do it?

00:31:20.620 Yeah, I had enough of his hatred and so on.

00:31:24.180 Is there, do you have any reason to believe that that text exchange was not real between

00:31:28.680 them for whatever reason, potentially even having been orchestrated between the two of them?

00:31:32.700 Look, I understand the emotion behind this case.

00:31:37.320 Charlie was my friend.

00:31:38.240 He was your friend.

00:31:39.380 He was assassinated in the most brutal way in a public forum where he was trying to have

00:31:43.460 engagement with the youth of the United States of America.

00:31:46.580 And while I was representing the White House at Ground Zero in New York City on 9-11, we made

00:31:52.400 the decision to pivot immediately and fly out to Utah to make sure we executed this manhunt.

00:31:57.440 We went out there.

00:31:58.060 The FBI seized the video evidence and put it out to the public immediately.

00:32:04.000 And then this individual was caught in 33 hours.

00:32:07.040 And so I understand that there's so much charged emotion on the other evidence that was collected,

00:32:12.160 the notes that you were talking about, the text message.

00:32:14.200 I mean, excuse me.

00:32:15.860 And we present that information to the prosecutors to make the determination based on the evidence

00:32:21.560 we have as to whether or not they were real.

00:32:23.640 I can't stylize or comment on it because it's an ongoing investigation, but I don't believe

00:32:28.700 the prosecutors in the state of Utah would be using any piece of information or evidence

00:32:32.940 that was not credible.

00:32:34.720 Last but not least on Charlie, there were texts by certain trans individuals online before the

00:32:41.200 assassination talking about something big is going to be happening.

00:32:44.000 And then after he was killed saying, and there it is, leading many of us to wonder whether

00:32:48.440 there was some sort of trans-TIFA connection to the murder, or at least maybe some tip-off

00:32:53.940 to the community.

00:32:54.780 Is that under investigation?

00:32:56.960 That is most definitely under investigation.

00:32:58.860 And we've disclosed a lot of that to the prosecution or all of it that we have.

00:33:02.480 And they've made some of it public to include that he was in a relationship with an individual

00:33:07.540 who was part of that community and that he was engaged in communications with other individuals

00:33:13.660 in that community.

00:33:14.380 But as to how they relate to the prosecution, that's up to the Utah prosecutors to say,

00:33:19.140 we need this in court and we're going to hold it until we release it, until his trial.

00:33:24.380 The alleged, well, no, the shooter of Donald Trump and three other people at his rally,

00:33:30.980 Crooks, was the subject of a couple of media reports about a week ago, Tucker Carlson and

00:33:36.100 then Miranda Devine at the New York Post, saying that he had extensive online contact.

00:33:40.380 He used to be a lefty.

00:33:41.260 He used to be a righty.

00:33:42.320 Then he switched to more of a radical leftist, that he had contact from people online, suggesting

00:33:48.460 possible outside involvement in this assassination attempt against Trump.

00:33:52.580 And then Miranda adding that he had connections to the trans furry community and was going by,

00:33:58.900 I think, they, them.

00:34:00.660 Can you confirm any of that?

00:34:01.680 So this is the last question I got to take because I got to, I got to head out after this.

00:34:06.140 But what we said was we responded publicly and I'll rest on our statements that we put out

00:34:12.180 to the public about any of those connections.

00:34:14.380 We've briefed the president about this.

00:34:16.440 He's the victim in this case.

00:34:18.060 He's been fully satisfied with our investigative work and his briefings.

00:34:21.100 We also have to honor the rights of the other victims in this case.

00:34:23.440 But again, that case and any case that we have remains, quote unquote, open for purposes

00:34:29.160 of new leads.

00:34:30.120 And we have refuted any information that we can publicly because we realize it's a very

00:34:34.920 public case.

00:34:37.060 But at the same time, we are going to exhaust any new investigative lead that we have.

00:34:42.600 But we've definitively responded to that online.

00:34:44.480 OK, apologies, your people told us we had till 1030 just a second ago.

00:34:49.500 But can I ask you one final question on Epstein before you go?

00:34:52.860 Do you have time for that?

00:34:54.420 Sure.

00:34:56.240 We're expecting to get a big tranche of documents from the DOJ pursuant to this new law that

00:35:00.880 President Trump signed into a bill.

00:35:03.620 He signed into law recently on Epstein disclosures.

00:35:06.320 You guys have to be part of that because you're connected with the DOJ.

00:35:10.080 What do you expect we're going to learn from the new revelations?

00:35:12.900 We, as we've always been, are committed to providing every piece of information we can

00:35:19.780 on this matter and any other matter.

00:35:22.300 And so we're working with our partners at DOJ to abide by the court orders that are already

00:35:27.500 in place, the sealing orders that are in place, and the protective orders that are in

00:35:30.660 place.

00:35:31.240 And also, the FBI isn't in possession of any of the information from the estate, even though

00:35:35.240 we've asked them and everybody else for any new information on this matter so that we

00:35:39.860 ourselves can investigate it.

00:35:41.220 So we're going to put out literally as much as we can that the law allows under this new

00:35:46.480 law that the president signed.

00:35:47.900 But also, we weren't here when the investigation started.

00:35:51.340 We weren't here when Acosta came in and limited his investigation about Epstein's activity

00:35:56.280 to a certain narrow period of time and then executed limited search warrants, which the

00:36:01.220 courts later utilized to give him a deal and say, you're prohibited from going back and

00:36:06.160 you cannot release this material.

00:36:07.520 So we are going to release everything that we possibly can.

00:36:11.860 Very good.

00:36:12.480 Listen, it's been a great day for law enforcement and truly for the men and women of the FBI

00:36:16.480 who, along with you and Dan Bongino, have been besmirched, attacked, undermined, and I'm

00:36:22.780 sure are appreciating the win.

00:36:26.780 I mean, this is just such a win for the country.

00:36:28.740 God knows what this guy would have done in the future.

00:36:31.140 I think of somebody like the Unabomber who got away with it for years.

00:36:34.240 And just because those bombs didn't go off in 2021 doesn't mean there wasn't another

00:36:38.320 one in store.

00:36:39.120 Congratulations, Cash, to you and the men and women who work for you.

00:36:43.020 Thanks, Megan, so much for having me.

00:36:44.420 I appreciate your time.

00:36:45.760 Good luck with everything.

00:36:47.540 We'll be back with in-depth reaction and analysis right after this.

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00:39:00.600 There is breaking news regarding the D.C. pipe bomber.

00:39:04.400 Accused, I should say, Brian Cole.

00:39:06.780 Multiple outlets now reporting that Cole told FBI investigators he believed conspiracy theories

00:39:13.400 about the 2020 election and has confessed that he planted the bombs.

00:39:19.940 To go over the latest reporting, as well as our interview with FBI Director Kash Patel that

00:39:24.000 we taped earlier this morning, I'm joined by John Solomon, founder of Just the News.

00:39:29.140 Also with us to take a dive into the criminal mind of the alleged pipe bomber is James R.

00:39:33.740 Fitzgerald.

00:39:34.340 James is a retired FBI criminal profiler who was involved in high-profile cases like the

00:39:40.300 search for the Unabomber, the D.C. sniper, and the anthrax investigation, which he solved.

00:39:47.100 So he's been through this a time or two.

00:39:49.560 John, Jim, great to see you both.

00:39:51.220 Thank you for being here.

00:39:52.120 So we taped that interview with Kash from 9.45 to 10.30 this morning.

00:39:58.300 The news that the suspect was cooperating and had allegedly said he believed the conspiracy

00:40:05.780 theories had broken, and I did ask him about it, you heard there, and he refused to comment on that.

00:40:12.620 He did say the suspect was speaking to the FBI but would not sign on to anything about

00:40:19.780 him believing in conspiracy theories.

00:40:21.760 But it started off with an NBC report.

00:40:24.240 It spread from there.

00:40:25.360 Now Fox News is reporting it as well, that specific item.

00:40:29.800 It's kind of everywhere.

00:40:31.420 Jim, I mean, John Solomon, Solomon, your reporting is the best in the business.

00:40:34.800 What are you hearing about that?

00:40:36.280 Yep.

00:40:36.520 I just confirmed with FBI officials that he made such an utterance that at one point he

00:40:40.760 said that he thought the election was stolen, that he has been making statements implicating

00:40:45.540 him in the pipe bombing.

00:40:47.640 But it's early in the investigation.

00:40:49.880 And I caution everybody that these cases are complicated.

00:40:53.720 You have a person who has some social phobia, it appears, based on the early reports, and

00:40:59.660 that is consistent with what the FBI says.

00:41:01.260 He's sort of a withdrawn fellow.

00:41:03.940 The FBI Behavioral Lab is going to do a full analysis.

00:41:07.180 They're going to wage his statements against his behavior.

00:41:09.440 And it's going to take us days to really know a motive.

00:41:12.460 One thing I'll point out just from the early criminal information is way before anyone knew

00:41:17.740 the 2020 election would end in such a dispute and be called by some stolen, this guy was

00:41:24.680 already buying pipe bomb materials in the summer and fall of 2019 and continuing well after

00:41:29.640 the January 6th event.

00:41:31.320 So those are factoids that are going to weigh in.

00:41:34.040 Jim knows this because he was one of the greatest profilers in FBI history.

00:41:38.780 But it's going to be a while before we know.

00:41:41.980 Everybody wants a clean, right, left thing.

00:41:44.460 It's going to take a while to figure a guy out like this and make sure they understand his

00:41:48.140 motive.

00:41:48.580 So early utterances aren't always the final outcome of where you find the case ends.

00:41:54.180 But it is true he made those statements.

00:41:55.960 He's made a lot of statements.

00:41:57.300 Some of them are contradictory.

00:41:58.380 I think the FBI is going to weigh all that before they come to a true analysis of what

00:42:03.720 this guy's motive was.

00:42:05.080 I mean, one interesting thing that Cash said was this is not a dumb person who they have

00:42:11.860 in custody right now.

00:42:13.280 And there's a very interesting theory going around online right now about whether if his

00:42:18.960 motivation for this attempted bombing was in fact related in any way to his belief that

00:42:26.360 Trump actually won, what was going to happen on J6, whether he would somehow be included

00:42:33.660 in so arguing that that was his motivation in Trump's pardon of the January Sixers.

00:42:41.580 Now, I don't think so because Trump's pardon covers anyone connected with the January 6th

00:42:47.260 insurrection, riot, whatever you want to call it.

00:42:49.880 This guy's behavior all happened on J5 and before he planted the bombs on J5.

00:42:55.940 I don't think just even according to the letter of the pardon, he would be included.

00:43:00.500 But it's an interesting question about whether he's clever enough to say that was the motivation

00:43:07.700 in an effort to get himself within the four corners of the J6 pardons.

00:43:13.040 Anyway, all of this will be debated at length down the lane.

00:43:16.360 Jim, let me start with you broad-based because you bring the most expertise to this.

00:43:20.960 What you heard from Cash, what you heard from the FBI and the DOJ yesterday.

00:43:25.100 Tell us your impressions overall right now.

00:43:28.340 Yeah, I've been in the middle of investigations.

00:43:30.740 I was right outside the room when John Muhammad was being interviewed, the D.C. sniper, watching

00:43:35.840 on video and helping the state police talk to him.

00:43:38.620 And they released the one out later that day that turned out to be not exactly accurate.

00:43:42.640 Same with Call Me God instead of I Am God on the tarot card.

00:43:48.320 So, John, I trust your reportage and the people you're talking to.

00:43:52.800 Let's be a little bit careful about everything that's being said right now.

00:43:56.200 I know Cash was as I listened to the interview there.

00:43:58.580 And, yeah, I told a few other people, unless this guy Cole is also doing plumbing work on

00:44:06.120 the side, he's buying these galvanized pipes and end caps, et cetera, way back in October

00:44:14.800 of 2019, well before the election even occurred, you know, a year and a month.

00:44:20.400 So this guy had a plan.

00:44:22.220 He was, as I was talking to your producer, Megan, I was saying he may be someone of a

00:44:28.580 bomber without a cause, putting these bombs together, looking for an excuse, trying to

00:44:34.200 figure out who the best target would be, representational targets.

00:44:38.620 But it would be like Kaczynski bombing airlines, universities, but then also a group of Luddites

00:44:43.940 at the same time.

00:44:45.220 I mean, that would have made no sense for Ted Kaczynski.

00:44:47.700 And this guy hitting the DNC and the RNC on the same night, fortunately with devices,

00:44:52.400 IEDs that did not actually detonate, it's just, it's incongruous.

00:44:56.860 And I just think he really didn't know exactly what he was doing.

00:45:00.300 And he may be using as a convenient excuse that, you know, the election was contested.

00:45:06.340 It wasn't fair to Trump or whomever.

00:45:08.300 And that is why he used that reason to perhaps try to kill someone, but certainly make it look

00:45:13.300 like he wanted to hurt someone.

00:45:14.380 I do wonder, it's such, it's a, it's a very interesting mystery.

00:45:18.240 Just looking at the FBI affidavit about his, his purchases, here's just one example where

00:45:24.860 they say, this is a, on page three of the affidavit, both pipe bombs were manufactured

00:45:31.780 using end caps, which were used to close the ends of the eight inch pipe.

00:45:36.660 The pipe bombs placed outside of the RNC and DNC contained a mix of both black and galvanized

00:45:42.860 end caps.

00:45:44.620 The end caps had markings consistent with the pipe manufacturer's product labor labeling.

00:45:47.880 Cole, the defendant purchased a total of 12 black end caps and two galvanized from four

00:45:52.180 different home depots in Northern Virginia on or about the following dates.

00:45:56.040 October 22nd, 2019, March 10th, 2020, June 20th, 2020, July 8th, 2020, and November 16th,

00:46:07.860 2020.

00:46:09.280 So, I mean, only one of those dates is after the November election.

00:46:16.280 All of the others precede the election, precede any hint of, you know, Trump losing, contesting

00:46:22.680 the loss.

00:46:23.620 As I mentioned to Cash, when I first saw these dates, like June, some of the other dates that

00:46:27.860 he made purchases on include June 1st and June 8th.

00:46:30.200 I thought, oh, maybe it's a George Floyd thing, which happened May 25th, you know, a week prior.

00:46:36.740 But that doesn't track either because, as you pointed out, John, he made purchases October

00:46:41.360 22nd, 2019, long before George Floyd.

00:46:45.300 So, over the course of October of 2019 through and including up to January 2021, he was buying

00:46:57.180 parts for this thing and assembling this thing.

00:47:00.760 And that's one of the big mysteries here.

00:47:03.520 Like, what was the plan?

00:47:05.740 Like, how, I guess I'll stick with you on it, Jim.

00:47:07.940 How will we ever figure that out?

00:47:09.760 Well, again, the original nickname for the Unabomber was the Junkyard Bomber, when he

00:47:17.500 was, in fact, gathering his parts and components, and he would hand make many of them, take nails

00:47:24.700 and saw little screw slots into them.

00:47:28.240 He'd rip the skins off the batteries to make sure they, even the lot number, couldn't be

00:47:32.340 traced to, you know, the southwest of the U.S., whatever facility was there.

00:47:36.320 So, he was putting a lot of his parts together there, too.

00:47:38.680 And that magic six years that the Unabomber took off from 87 to 93 with no bombings, we

00:47:44.440 know he was continuing his experiments, quote, unquote, they're the words he used in his

00:47:48.680 journals and his notes, in the woods of Montana, when he was putting those devices together.

00:47:53.860 So, and I'll say this, too, the sophistication of these devices of the J-5 bomber were not all

00:48:01.180 that high or, I'll use the word sophisticated again.

00:48:05.900 And, you know, with the kitchen timer, many devices are motion-sensitive devices to them

00:48:12.160 or plungers of some sort, that when someone moves it, picks it up, it goes off.

00:48:15.980 But a 12-hour, I believe it's 12-hour, target kitchen timer, that's kind of going old school

00:48:21.260 that you'd see on the old, you know, Roadrunner cartoons or something like that.

00:48:24.740 So, I'm not sure where this guy was getting his DIY information to build a device, but

00:48:29.620 he wanted to make it look pretty.

00:48:31.000 He had some homemade black powder.

00:48:32.540 I'm not sure where that came from.

00:48:34.160 But you do have to be careful putting pipe bombs together because you're threading on the

00:48:37.860 end cap.

00:48:38.660 And if there's any little black powder in the thread part, that thing can blow up on you

00:48:43.340 and take hands off or worse and kill the person.

00:48:46.760 So, luckily, he made it out at least one piece in that regard for his sake.

00:48:52.480 So, yeah, the motion, or I should say the motivation behind this guy is still unknown,

00:48:58.060 but it goes back several years.

00:49:00.200 He was mission-oriented.

00:49:01.860 I say several years, at least, you know, 15, 16 months.

00:49:05.320 He was mission-oriented.

00:49:07.000 We just don't know what the heck that mission was yet.

00:49:09.620 And whether it was the election, he is maybe using that as an excuse.

00:49:13.360 But, of course, his social media indicators and emails and text messages to people may

00:49:20.380 give the FBI more clues then.

00:49:22.260 Well, John, Cash was somewhat evasive on the—I mean, he had to be because he doesn't want

00:49:27.380 to get ahead of the arraignment later—on the social media.

00:49:31.340 But for sure, they found this kid's kid.

00:49:34.580 You know, now he's 30.

00:49:35.600 This guy's social media have pulled it.

00:49:38.640 He said that they got a subpoena for the companies.

00:49:41.700 And there's going to be a ton there.

00:49:43.360 Don't you think?

00:49:43.840 Because that's got to be how he figured out how to make a pipe bomb.

00:49:47.960 He had no friends.

00:49:49.160 He worked at his dad's bail bond company.

00:49:51.860 He wasn't at a busy corporation.

00:49:53.960 He spoke with no one.

00:49:56.140 The guy sounds like he was, you know, almost autistic in his social communications.

00:50:01.660 In fact, I think the grandmother just gave an interview suggesting exactly that to the

00:50:05.260 New York Post.

00:50:06.520 So there's going to be something on that social media showing how he figured out how to do this.

00:50:12.040 Yeah, listen.

00:50:13.320 Ironically, he went to the same high school as my son.

00:50:15.320 He lived right around the corner from my house where I live.

00:50:17.360 No way.

00:50:17.640 In Prince William County, Virginia.

00:50:19.000 Never met him.

00:50:20.080 But there are some anomalies.

00:50:22.880 And by the way, everything Jim has said in the last segment, the last few points, exactly

00:50:27.680 what the FBI is saying right now.

00:50:29.080 This is exactly the way the case unfolds.

00:50:31.180 He's a smart kid, but reclusive.

00:50:33.760 And maybe even on the spectrum, people have used that term to begin.

00:50:37.740 That's a medical term, but sometimes it just has a public meaning to it.

00:50:44.140 But someone who builds a bomb of the one-hour timer and plants it the night before must know

00:50:49.960 that the timer is not going to go off.

00:50:51.920 If it doesn't go off the night before, it hasn't gone off, right?

00:50:53.940 The timer's expired.

00:50:54.820 What was that motive?

00:50:56.540 Those are the sort of things that the Behavioral Analysis Unit will be doing at the FBI lab.

00:51:02.540 His social media, they've been monitoring.

00:51:04.480 This is something that I reported earlier today.

00:51:06.220 It's very important.

00:51:07.480 They were on to this guy about three, four weeks ago.

00:51:10.120 They monitored him daily.

00:51:11.640 They had eyes on him 24-7.

00:51:13.980 They had a surveillance team on him to make sure he didn't do something before they rolled

00:51:17.800 him up.

00:51:18.100 So they've known and watched this kid probably for four or five weeks since they put all

00:51:23.480 the evidence together with the new Fresh Eyes team.

00:51:26.260 They're going to know a lot more about him than they're going to tell us for a while because

00:51:30.000 they're going to have to piece this together.

00:51:32.180 And there are lots of anomalies.

00:51:34.020 Why do you start in 2019?

00:51:35.840 Why do you not execute until January 21?

00:51:38.800 Did you execute other bite bombs that didn't go off that we haven't found?

00:51:42.400 Did you have other plots that you decided not to do?

00:51:44.840 Cash said that in my interview with him last night.

00:51:46.720 We're looking to see if he was involved in other plots or attacks.

00:51:50.500 There's a lot that'll happen, but we should jump to no conclusions there.

00:51:54.120 I mean, Jim's advice is exactly what my FBI sources are saying.

00:51:57.800 Stand by one second.

00:51:58.780 I've got to take a quick break.

00:51:59.780 So much more to go over.

00:52:01.640 We'll be right back with John and Jim.

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00:55:30.480 John Solomon and James Fitzgerald are back with me now.

00:55:34.380 So John, let me stick with you for one second.

00:55:36.140 We expect this guy to be arraigned later today, and both Dan Bongino last night and Cash Patel

00:55:41.740 with me this morning, suggesting we're going to learn a lot more then.

00:55:45.560 What do you think we're going to learn?

00:55:47.640 We'll probably learn a little bit about the social media posts or anything that the FBI learned

00:55:51.940 that might be motivational.

00:55:53.300 They'll try to start to give us a sense of what they think his motive was on that day

00:55:58.340 or his thinking was on that day, whether they believe he had any co-conspirators,

00:56:03.140 whether his parents had any inkling what he was doing.

00:56:05.660 I mean, he lived in his mom's house, apparently was assembling these pipe bombs there.

00:56:09.140 That's certainly the inference in the affidavit.

00:56:11.520 What does that mean?

00:56:12.460 What did she think was going on in the house?

00:56:14.980 So there'll be a lot of things that, you know, the little tidbits today, but even though

00:56:20.340 we'll get some direction today, it's going to take a few weeks before the FBI comes to

00:56:24.880 a final assessment of what this young man was thinking.

00:56:27.700 If he did, in fact, plant these bombs, what was his ultimate goal and whether he had other

00:56:32.480 plans because he started doing this much earlier.

00:56:34.640 So we'll get a little taste today and then probably in the next couple of weeks, we'll

00:56:39.280 get a more complete picture.

00:56:40.620 And Congress is also going to be briefed today at two o'clock.

00:56:43.500 Some of the key committees, including Chairman Barry Loudermilk on the J6 committee.

00:56:47.520 So Congress will get some information today, too, that could be interesting as well.

00:56:51.940 So we understand he lived in a $611,000 house in Virginia with his mom.

00:56:58.720 The parents were divorced.

00:57:00.560 The dad runs this bail bonds company.

00:57:02.700 The dad sounds like, I don't know if I can fairly call him a BLM-er, but he certainly

00:57:07.300 was kind of active on that front.

00:57:09.580 The Daily Wire reporting that he accused this DA who was looking into his bail bonds company

00:57:16.760 of targeting a minority-owned company, played the race card, hired Benjamin Crump, which

00:57:21.800 is like, hello, that's one man off of Al Sharpton.

00:57:27.160 All of his complaints along those lines were rejected.

00:57:30.220 It turns out there were some real problems with the bail company.

00:57:33.420 So that's the dad split from the mom.

00:57:36.280 The mom, Jim, we saw her social media last night.

00:57:39.540 The team and I went through it.

00:57:40.900 Looks very sweet.

00:57:42.640 I can't find anything out about her job, but she seems like a really

00:57:46.060 sweet lady.

00:57:47.960 She's posting things about how she's in a sewing club.

00:57:52.180 She is posting pictures of her kids who are now older, about how much they make up her

00:57:58.240 heart and how much she loves them.

00:58:00.340 She's got sweet pictures of herself with friends.

00:58:03.100 I mean, in no way does she seem like a radical protest kind of person, even political at all.

00:58:10.120 Every post is loving and about friendship or family and so on.

00:58:13.540 And then you got the son.

00:58:14.820 And I think he's got maybe a couple of siblings.

00:58:17.600 But the son, the one who's been arrested, is Brian Cole, Jr.

00:58:22.680 And this is what his grandmother, Loretta, told the Post about him.

00:58:25.800 Quote, he's almost autistic-like because he doesn't understand a lot of stuff.

00:58:31.820 I hope he's not talking.

00:58:33.740 She also alleged he's very naive.

00:58:36.080 He would not hurt a fly.

00:58:37.800 He's just not that kind of person.

00:58:39.480 I don't believe this at all.

00:58:40.820 He's not a terrorist.

00:58:42.460 Now, what's your nana going to say about you?

00:58:45.340 Pretty much anyone's nana would say that about them.

00:58:47.420 But everyone's saying that this kid was like, guy, was like reclusive, couldn't make eye

00:58:53.160 contact with people.

00:58:54.460 So how do you, as an FBI guy, how do you factor in those parents and this news we've heard about

00:58:59.660 the son as of today?

00:59:00.820 Well, you know, it's the old nature versus nurture.

00:59:05.500 Apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

00:59:07.180 I mean, certainly with the mother, it doesn't seem that way.

00:59:09.280 You mentioned, or others have mentioned, and the grandmother has mentioned, autism.

00:59:12.880 Could be Asperger's syndrome.

00:59:14.520 A lot of people forget Kaczynski with his defense team.

00:59:17.380 They were actually floating the Asperger's syndrome as part of their defense.

00:59:21.940 But Kaczynski fought it off.

00:59:23.420 He didn't want to be seen in any way, shape, or form as having mental incapacities whatsoever.

00:59:27.860 So look, I mean, he's 25 years old.

00:59:30.480 He's, even though he's living at home, we don't know what kind of travels he had.

00:59:34.060 Did he visit other people?

00:59:35.380 Did he go away for long weekends?

00:59:37.820 I hate the word radicalized, you know, but, you know, was he on these different websites

00:59:43.760 and people were convincing him this, that, or the other?

00:59:46.740 I have a feeling this guy operated pretty much as an island, as an isolationist.

00:59:50.920 And he just came up with his own ideas along the way.

00:59:54.120 They fomented perhaps for years.

00:59:56.100 Then all of a sudden, hey, a pipe bomb of some sort would be a good idea.

01:00:00.060 I know, I'll make two of them.

01:00:01.520 I'll start way back in, you know, October of 2019, before a whole lot of controversies

01:00:06.440 even kicked in.

01:00:07.420 It's pre-COVID, certainly pre-George Floyd, pre-any election anomalies, you know, however

01:00:13.100 you want to characterize those.

01:00:14.660 So this guy, there were seeds planted in him.

01:00:18.380 Again, nature, nurture, you can, it'll take time to determine that.

01:00:22.360 But at some point, he decided to lash out.

01:00:26.020 Now, there are different ways of lashing out.

01:00:27.440 He could have been a spree killer.

01:00:28.700 He could have been a serial killer.

01:00:30.040 He could have been, you know, someone who, you know, burned a narcissist, burned buildings

01:00:34.840 down.

01:00:35.300 He decided to make these bombs and then go and basically place them.

01:00:40.200 And bombers are their own separate ilk, especially serial bombers.

01:00:43.400 And the more successful or the more times they plant a device, an IED, it provides explosive

01:00:49.640 device, and in fact, it detonates, the better they get, the more proud they are of themselves.

01:00:54.280 This guy had great pride, no doubt, in the construction of these two devices.

01:00:59.400 They didn't go off.

01:01:01.080 He was probably okay with that.

01:01:02.360 Maybe he didn't truly want to hurt anyone.

01:01:04.540 I don't want to give that to him as a criminal defense at all.

01:01:07.120 But just making those bombs and causing the uproar that he did, and again, at these two,

01:01:13.640 if you will, almost polar opposite, you know, targets, certainly on a political scale, it

01:01:20.360 seems to make the one or the other would have made a lot more sense than both.

01:01:24.640 But he chose to do it this way.

01:01:26.880 And he just, and I said to your producer earlier, maybe he's into gaming.

01:01:31.640 And this was like a, and the walk, I finally got that, I watched several times the video

01:01:36.500 the FBI put out, only back in October.

01:01:38.700 It should have been out much sooner, of course, by the other administration.

01:01:42.780 But just watching him walk aimlessly along the streets in D.C., alleys, stopping, double

01:01:48.480 backing, waving to police cars, that caused a whole big conspiracy theory, of course, which

01:01:53.900 no one could rule out back then.

01:01:56.020 Was it a woman?

01:01:56.740 Was it a man?

01:01:57.380 This whole gate analysis people were doing.

01:01:59.740 I don't know how much that played in, but there's just so much there with this guy.

01:02:04.540 But this may have just been some sort of an intellectual, mental challenge for him.

01:02:10.280 And whether he's happy or not happy that the devices didn't detonate and no one was hurt,

01:02:16.940 we'll have to find that out.

01:02:18.360 But certainly that's to his advantage that no one was hurt in terms of these charges.

01:02:21.980 So a lot of questions about this guy all over the place.

01:02:24.940 We heard Cash say that one of the things they absolutely would do, he spoke sort of generally,

01:02:31.360 but he was obviously talking about this case, is check with local authorities, with state

01:02:35.500 authorities, and with juvenile authorities to see if there's any record.

01:02:40.460 Because this guy graduated from high school, the one around the corner from you, where your

01:02:44.220 son went, in 2013, right?

01:02:47.420 In 2013, did not go to college.

01:02:50.680 But for sure, they're looking into whether he has some sort of a record.

01:02:53.600 That just seemed to be a red flag to me, that they may have found something on the juvenile

01:02:57.460 record, which would be under seal, which would not be accessible by the media, but by law

01:03:03.120 enforcement, it would be.

01:03:04.900 And that's one of the many things I'm sure they're going to look into.

01:03:07.840 It's not unusual to see somebody who is potentially on the spectrum, as the grandmother says, who

01:03:13.300 is brilliant, who's actually very, very smart, but has zero social skills.

01:03:18.680 That combination is actually kind of fairly common.

01:03:21.780 It is.

01:03:22.780 And, you know, sometimes in that loneliness, it was a theory that one of the people I was

01:03:27.200 talking to last night about, if you're trapped in that sort of world of isolation because

01:03:31.380 you're socially awkward, you're on the spectrum, so you have difficulty in the social world.

01:03:35.880 Sometimes doing something like this is simply a thrill adventure.

01:03:39.600 And we're trying to ascribe a political motive, but it was just Ferris Bueller's day out, and

01:03:44.200 I'm going to do something crazy today and see what happens.

01:03:47.800 And so we just don't know yet.

01:03:49.580 And that's one of the many theories that I know the FBI is looking at today, was this

01:03:53.160 just a thrill adventure tied to the headlines at the time, and it didn't really have a political

01:03:57.820 motivation.

01:03:58.760 There is something, you know, unique that we found recently on the videotape.

01:04:02.040 Chairman Barry Lottemuk's team in Congress, a House Judiciary Subcommittee founded.

01:04:07.260 On his journey there, you know, when you looked at the original FBI map, it looks like he's

01:04:11.900 walking all around.

01:04:12.900 But at one point, he actually kneels down and sits for a period that we previously didn't

01:04:18.700 know about.

01:04:19.160 It was at the Congressional Black Caucus Institute building.

01:04:22.320 And that, you know, on the map, it just showed it as part of the journey.

01:04:25.320 But he actually stops here.

01:04:27.020 My understanding, that was a very important moment there because he was long enough there

01:04:31.580 where no one else is visible in the picture.

01:04:33.620 They knew they had the right phone.

01:04:35.040 It's one of the few places he kneels down.

01:04:37.160 And there's a moment where the phone pings are multiple over a period of 30, 40, 50 seconds.

01:04:42.420 And so that's interesting.

01:04:44.100 Did he pick that for some reason?

01:04:45.680 Was he just simply tired and needed to kneel down for a second, take a break?

01:04:49.480 Was he thinking of putting a bomb there and then decided not to do it?

01:04:52.220 Those are all things I'm sure he's being questioned about now.

01:04:55.520 But that was a part that four and a half years later, all of a sudden, you see this new video

01:04:59.660 footage, like, wait, he stopped there for a second.

01:05:01.460 He kneels down for a second.

01:05:02.780 Was he putting something there?

01:05:03.980 Did he find this place interesting?

01:05:05.660 Or was he just simply winded from carrying the bombs in his back pocket?

01:05:08.860 We'll find out more, I think, during these interviews and then the behavioral analysis.

01:05:12.760 On the juvenile thing, one of the things that almost certainly will do, particularly when

01:05:16.960 you hear someone being talked about as being on the spectrum, did his teachers in high

01:05:20.940 school, grammar school, think he had some sort of spectrum disorder?

01:05:23.900 That'll almost certainly be something that the FBI will zero in on because it'll give

01:05:27.880 you a little bit of sense of his arc as a person, as a personality, and his academic

01:05:32.220 and his intellectual capabilities.

01:05:34.840 Jim, can we talk about the gunpowder?

01:05:37.480 Is that the word we're looking for?

01:05:38.480 I don't know.

01:05:39.160 What do you, they talk about this homemade black powder that went into the pipe bombs,

01:05:43.420 which I think, correct me if I'm wrong, is what makes it a pipe bomb.

01:05:46.020 I mean, it's the bomb part of the pipe bomb.

01:05:49.740 How do you get that?

01:05:51.120 That doesn't seem like something, I mean, you can't get that at the Radio Shack.

01:05:55.620 No, not necessarily.

01:05:57.300 But you can, in fact.

01:05:59.540 I'm wondering if he somehow got a box or two of shotgun shells, carefully took them apart,

01:06:05.000 took the powder out of there, perhaps other ammo.

01:06:07.660 There may be other commercial ways to get powder in small amounts that he could, in fact,

01:06:13.640 place in there.

01:06:14.880 I don't think it was a substantive amount that really would have, you know, brought a

01:06:18.580 building down or anything like that, from what I'm reading.

01:06:21.880 But, and it was homemade, I think, is the word that was used in the criminal complaint.

01:06:26.940 That's right.

01:06:28.500 And, I mean, the Chinese may have homemade it, you know, thousands of years ago, but I'm

01:06:33.400 sure he somehow got it commercially, but he may have taken it out of some other device

01:06:37.540 and repurposed it, of course, for the design of this particular device itself.

01:06:43.240 So you don't think, these don't look like sophisticated bombs, but Kash Patel kept saying

01:06:47.960 they were viable bombs.

01:06:50.300 Like, it seems to me what they're saying is the timer didn't work, like the detonation

01:06:55.360 didn't work, but that the bombs were functional.

01:06:58.280 And that leads me to the question about the timer.

01:07:00.180 So they're saying it was a white kitchen timer, you know, old school.

01:07:04.840 Most of us use our iPhones, I think, these days for the timer, but like a white kitchen timer.

01:07:09.160 But the kitchen timer actually only had 60 minutes on it.

01:07:14.540 I don't understand.

01:07:16.000 Can you enlighten me?

01:07:17.120 Because he set these between 7.30 and 8.30 the night before.

01:07:21.100 By noon the next day, they had not gone off.

01:07:24.900 They were then found around 12.30.

01:07:27.220 And the finding of those bombs is what sort of triggered the chaos on Capitol Hill.

01:07:33.460 Evacuate the lawmakers.

01:07:34.620 They found bombs.

01:07:35.480 Kamala Harris was at the DNC.

01:07:36.860 There was a bomb outside.

01:07:37.940 Oh, my God.

01:07:39.100 But they never went off.

01:07:40.440 So explain, do you have any thoughts on that timer, Jim, which only has 60 minutes on it?

01:07:47.620 It's reflective of kind of the immaturity and, of course, whatever sites he was going to

01:07:53.400 to design this thing.

01:07:55.180 And also, perhaps, limitations.

01:07:56.880 He didn't want to take any chances with a spring or plunger-type mechanism, which is what

01:08:01.980 the Unabomber and other serial bombers used in their devices.

01:08:06.680 And this was his very first one.

01:08:08.740 The very first device of any of these guys is always the most amateur.

01:08:13.200 Well, we think.

01:08:13.860 We'll find out.

01:08:15.060 Could he have had some practice ones?

01:08:16.780 Usually, they go into the woods or into a field somewhere and experiment with them just

01:08:20.740 to make sure they work.

01:08:22.320 Whether this guy did or not, maybe we'll find that out down the line.

01:08:25.900 But yeah, again, it almost sounds like he had a puzzle kit, and he's following it every

01:08:31.020 step of the way.

01:08:32.400 He was building a car, put a little bit of gas in it, and all the component parts were

01:08:37.600 there.

01:08:38.760 But it really actually would never drive anyone anywhere.

01:08:42.160 And I'm not trying to give any defense here either.

01:08:42.640 Yeah, it makes me wonder, how does a kitchen timer serve also as the trigger mechanism for

01:08:49.120 a bomb?

01:08:49.720 Because the timer can go off, but what, the ringing of the bell somehow triggers the bomb?

01:08:54.540 That sounds like movie stuff to me.

01:08:57.440 Well, there could have been no internal wiring to it.

01:08:59.600 He did have wires with alligator clips.

01:09:01.120 There was a detonator, a power source, the nine-volt battery.

01:09:03.720 So he had the components that certainly on the surface would make this thing work.

01:09:08.340 But it still looks like, to me, and I've seen pictures of it, I haven't broken it down.

01:09:13.180 I'm not a bomb tech, but I've looked at enough of these things, certainly back in my Unabomb

01:09:16.740 days and even the Austin bombing last year from afar, or several years ago, and I see how

01:09:22.060 these things are put together.

01:09:22.960 Some of these guys are masterful.

01:09:24.640 There was a Las Vegas extortion attempt back in the early 80s, and this bomb maker was just

01:09:31.640 so highly sophisticated, there was basically no way to dismantle the device or render it

01:09:37.280 safe.

01:09:38.000 The guy up in Erie, Pennsylvania about 20 years ago that had the pizza delivery guy with

01:09:42.900 the lock across his neck, they couldn't find a way to detonate that either.

01:09:47.240 These are highly, what I just referenced, highly sophisticated devices.

01:09:50.600 This one, J-5 bomber, we'll call it, they look sophisticated.

01:09:57.600 They probably would have worked with a few other mechanisms added, but the one-hour timer

01:10:02.800 right away showed me this guy really wasn't serious.

01:10:06.080 He wanted to make a flashbang, perhaps, maybe a loud noise and some loud for surveillance

01:10:10.160 video to pick up, some bright lights late at night.

01:10:12.700 But it never happened.

01:10:15.460 And that's good for all of us, of course.

01:10:18.760 But, and quite frankly, it may have been his goal, just to have some bright lights go off,

01:10:22.760 we'll just leave this thing here, and have people scratching their head and wondering,

01:10:26.460 what the heck is this all about?

01:10:28.100 Well, mission accomplished on that latter goal, if that was it.

01:10:30.520 Your thoughts on it, John?

01:10:31.280 Jim, do you want to say something else?

01:10:34.080 Well, I just want to throw in, would you ask John earlier, I'm a student of history,

01:10:38.280 certainly criminal justice, and without elaborating on this, the Leopold and Loeb

01:10:42.140 kidnapping case in 1924 always fascinated me.

01:10:45.920 I'm not comparing Paul at all to those two guys who were relatively smart college students,

01:10:51.940 preppy type people, but they kidnapped the young boy just for fun, just to see if they

01:10:56.600 can get away with it.

01:10:57.280 Well, and true evil, and they both were eventually caught eyeglasses, were left at the scene,

01:11:02.940 and the police back then tracked them down, whatever.

01:11:05.440 So every once in a while, you come upon a crime or a series of crimes, and I'm wondering,

01:11:10.520 geez, and I'm not saying Paul even knew about these guys, ever heard of Leopold and Loeb,

01:11:14.720 but it's something in the back of our mind, it's like, this is, again, a gaming situation

01:11:19.980 for him, but taking it, not just virtual, but IRL, as the kids say, into the real world,

01:11:26.180 and seeing where it goes from there, and he had his fun for five years.

01:11:29.720 It may not be so fun where he is right now, though.

01:11:32.120 Go ahead, John.

01:11:34.160 About a month ago, Megan, we brought in one of the FBI explosive experts who did the Oklahoma

01:11:40.240 City bombing, so he did a full analysis of the lab report when we got the lab report released

01:11:44.760 through Congress.

01:11:45.960 And he said that these were made to look real, they were made generally how you would create

01:11:54.140 to have them detonate, but they had minor imperfections that would never have allowed them to go off.

01:11:59.160 They had a load, that's what means, what a cache means when you mean they're viable,

01:12:02.680 if they blew up, they would have had explosive force.

01:12:05.840 But there were little imperfections in the bomb that wouldn't allow it to go off,

01:12:09.340 even when the timer hit the triggering device.

01:12:11.920 And that's kind of interesting, because there is always another piece of this mystery.

01:12:16.280 We had a lot of mysteries on the J-6 bombing, J-5, J-6 bombing.

01:12:19.720 But remember the first woman that calls in the RNC bomb?

01:12:22.900 She's a federal government employee, but she actually works in the first responder program.

01:12:26.480 She works in the program that helps first responders get their phones active in a major crisis.

01:12:31.620 And she says, when I walked by the RNC location, the bomb wasn't there.

01:12:34.800 When I walked back, I did see it, and it still had 20 minutes on the timer.

01:12:40.320 Now, how could that be that the timer would still be at 20 minutes if it had been planned the night before?

01:12:44.700 Now, either she's wrong, though she seems like a pretty sophisticated lady

01:12:48.340 with some law enforcement background and a good federal job.

01:12:51.300 And that would be an important fact to know.

01:12:54.860 She'd be smart enough to realize she needs to get that one right.

01:12:58.120 That's right.

01:12:59.180 Yeah, right, yeah, because you're going to be interviewed by the FBI.

01:13:01.340 You better be right, right?

01:13:02.720 So I think those are important things.

01:13:04.580 Did the timer stop?

01:13:05.760 Was it a defective timer?

01:13:07.100 Did someone come back and reset it a second time because it didn't occur the first time?

01:13:11.460 One of the things I was interested in is about a week or two ago, the FBI put out footage of the bombs one hour before they went off.

01:13:18.540 And I wonder why this is when we now know they already knew Brian Cole was their main guy.

01:13:22.960 Why would they do that?

01:13:24.300 Were they looking for something or something or looking for the crowd or the public to look for the hour before?

01:13:30.280 Maybe they were considering that that woman's theory that maybe someone turned the timer a second time.

01:13:34.520 And I guess we'll learn some of that maybe today or in the next week.

01:13:37.400 But that woman's story, which we only got a few weeks ago and made public, is really interesting because it doesn't fit the rest of the timeline.

01:13:45.800 I think we'll learn some more about that today and in the next couple of days.

01:13:49.280 But the analysis from the Oklahoma City bomb explosive expert was really interesting, which is they were kind of basically scripted bombs,

01:13:57.060 but a couple of imperfections kept them from actually detonating.

01:14:00.420 And did he have a theory on whether they were intentional imperfections?

01:14:04.540 Didn't.

01:14:05.080 Did not.

01:14:05.720 And he said, I'm scratching my head.

01:14:06.860 You really need to.

01:14:07.660 And remember, we only got a couple of lab reports.

01:14:10.300 There's other analysis he would have loved to have seen that would have got the nerd in him going.

01:14:14.120 But I do think that, you know, that's an important piece of data that we'll have to understand as this goes on.

01:14:20.220 And Jim's mentioned of the thrill seeker, the gamer thrill seeker.

01:14:23.800 There could be some element of this here.

01:14:25.620 Well, it doesn't sound like this guy had any excitement whatsoever in his life outside of this major lane.

01:14:31.200 Go ahead, Jim.

01:14:31.760 I was only going to add, to follow up with what John said, some things in the last few weeks, maybe in the last month or two.

01:14:39.920 We don't know when Cole became the suspect of the FBI.

01:14:43.100 They're seeming kind of nebulous about that, unless we have new information.

01:14:46.840 John's reporting maybe four to five weeks ago.

01:14:49.020 Yeah, four to five weeks ago is when they zeroed in on him.

01:14:51.400 Well, there's a term when we're working a wiretap called tickle the wire, in which you purposely do things to the bad guys you're monitoring.

01:15:01.240 And nothing illegal, nothing, you know, questionable, but you make little things happen around them.

01:15:07.140 So I'm not sure they had a wiretap up one call or certainly they were in real time monitoring his phone calls, his emails.

01:15:12.120 But they could have put these extra videos out, there could have been some interviews being done, and they're watching him the whole time to see who he's communicating with.

01:15:19.900 So they're proactively trying to get him to move and to do something, maybe go to a storage unit somewhere and clear it out or get rid of a phone.

01:15:28.620 All type of information that, down the line, could be proved valuable in the investigation as well as the prosecution of this person.

01:15:36.860 That's good.

01:15:38.180 That makes perfect sense.

01:15:39.280 Tickle the wire.

01:15:41.560 I'm wondering whether you think, Jim, this was the first attempt and whether there might have been other attempts maybe after J5 2021,

01:15:52.900 because Janine Pirro said on Fox last night that they did find additional bomb-making materials in his home upon arrest.

01:16:04.260 And it didn't sound like these were leftovers.

01:16:06.520 And even Cash was saying he's had five years since January of 2021 to continue buying and doing things.

01:16:15.600 And they had to investigate and are investigating all that too.

01:16:18.520 So, like, what are the odds this guy will turn out to be some sort of a serial bomber?

01:16:24.400 Like, I don't know.

01:16:26.680 Does the bomber typically try once and then it doesn't work out and they just go back to their life as a bail bondsman?

01:16:34.720 No.

01:16:35.340 But I'll tell you one thing about serial bombers or potential serial bombers.

01:16:39.240 They're very proud of their workmanship.

01:16:42.000 They're very proud of how it is they construct their devices.

01:16:44.820 I actually went to Venice, Italy for a week helping the Italian police on there, and they named it this, the Italian Unabomber case.

01:16:52.880 And this guy was so clever in every device he made, not necessarily more lethal.

01:16:57.880 And there was, I think, 20 different devices.

01:16:59.960 He made them more miniaturized.

01:17:02.440 And this is their signature.

01:17:04.880 MO is one thing.

01:17:05.900 Signature behavior is something else.

01:17:07.560 And these bombers really take pride in themselves.

01:17:10.380 And Kaczynski, he wrote FC on the bottom of each of his devices.

01:17:14.380 He wanted to make sure there were no copycats out there that would put some kind of a similar device out there and take credit for it.

01:17:21.500 So these people many times are narcissistic.

01:17:25.760 Well, you know, early on, could these be his initials?

01:17:28.200 And, of course, we all knew they were not his initials.

01:17:30.500 He claimed later in a letter to the New York Times it stood for Freedom Club, which was kind of a Luddite association, I think, in the early 1920s in Florida, something like that.

01:17:39.960 But we never believed that.

01:17:41.000 Other people thought it meant F computers.

01:17:43.500 You can fill in the F word because he, of course, hated technology.

01:17:48.080 And these computers have put him, this math genius, out of business.

01:17:51.520 You know, but at the same time, he got his Ph.D. in mathematics.

01:17:54.280 So he had all kinds of issues and angles.

01:17:56.820 I'm not sure we're going to see anything quite that elaborate with the J5 Cole, Brian Cole person.

01:18:03.880 I think it may be more mental health related.

01:18:09.320 And, again, I keep saying this gamemanship.

01:18:11.280 I don't know.

01:18:11.780 I don't have an inside track here.

01:18:13.380 But just that night, his activities, walking around, it would have been so easy to, whether he pulled his car right up or parked it far away, which I think he did, his Nissan, but just jump out, put him down DNC, RNC, then get the hell out of there.

01:18:25.600 He didn't.

01:18:26.520 He walked around.

01:18:27.280 I forget the exact time.

01:18:28.420 John, you probably know.

01:18:29.580 Two to three, maybe even four hours that evening.

01:18:31.760 Yeah, he's here for a long time.

01:18:33.440 And it was amazing.

01:18:35.140 And I know that part of D.C., I used to live not far from there.

01:18:38.060 And I could see, and why would he go here?

01:18:40.220 Why would he make this left, this right?

01:18:42.140 Why would he sit?

01:18:42.840 Why would he kneel?

01:18:43.740 Why would he, you know, wave to a, I don't know if it was a Capitol Police car.

01:18:47.200 Someone drove by.

01:18:48.500 And just very odd behavior.

01:18:51.600 And, but that's what, if you're really serious about what you're doing, you get in and you get out.

01:18:57.480 Ingress, egress.

01:18:58.740 That's what a crime, bank robber, burglar, rapist, whatever you are, in and out.

01:19:03.160 But this person's walking all around.

01:19:05.040 And let's face it, if he was, if it was a ped stop, a police officer, hey, I saw you five times now in the last two hours.

01:19:10.720 What's in your backpack?

01:19:12.480 Now, the question whether they have legality to open it up or not.

01:19:15.540 But in many cases, can we see, yeah, oh, you have two devices in here?

01:19:19.080 And the whole gig would have been up right then.

01:19:20.580 And Jim points out something very important about serial bombers.

01:19:25.120 They do take great pride in, and usually there's meaning in the choices that they made.

01:19:30.280 This kid has, if this turns out to be the bomber, there are little differences that the analysis from the Oklahoma City technician, when he looked at it, said they're a little bit different, actually.

01:19:41.700 He didn't make them quite the same.

01:19:42.900 And he saw some imperfections that suggested this was sort of amateurish, and that might give us some signs, too, that maybe this isn't a serial bomber, but a guy on a gamemanship or thrill-seeking adventure.

01:19:55.300 Let me just ask you as an aside, John.

01:19:58.100 When I asked Cash about Thomas Crooks and the reporting, the shooter of President Trump and three others at the Trump rally in Butler, he did not want to talk about that.

01:20:09.720 That was pretty clear.

01:20:10.440 I asked him about Tucker's reporting about Crooks' social media that suggested the guy had started off as a righty, a supporter of Trump, and then switched, I think it was about a year before Butler, into a weird far leftist who hated Trump, and then seemed to be communicating or getting incoming from someone online.

01:20:33.880 The suggestion in Tucker's report was clearly that possibly he'd been radicalized by somebody or spurred to violence by somebody.

01:20:40.440 The FBI has already responded to that online, suggesting no, that they looked into that.

01:20:44.380 They did not find any such connection whatsoever.

01:20:46.680 And then Miranda Devine reporting with the New York Post that the shooter, Crooks, was communicating on these trans, furry websites.

01:20:57.280 It was going by they, them.

01:20:59.260 And, I mean, she's a very solid reporter.

01:21:02.380 He did not want to touch that.

01:21:04.020 So what's going on there?

01:21:06.280 Yeah, listen, I think if you're Kash Patel with the new FBI, you've just solved the pipe bomb case.

01:21:12.500 You solved Charlie Kirk shooting in 33 hours, which is quite remarkable.

01:21:15.840 And, by the way, he met a lot of resistance during that investigation because a lot of the old school agents working the case did not want him to put the photo out.

01:21:23.460 They'd like to keep that photo for later in the investigation.

01:21:26.120 But Kash's instinct was, if I put the photo out, I'm going to tip the father over and he's going to turn the kid in.

01:21:31.280 And that instinct turned out to be right.

01:21:33.980 Kash Patel wasn't in charge of the investigation when Brian Crooks went down.

01:21:37.760 He is at the mercy of what evidence was gathered then.

01:21:40.700 I'm sorry.

01:21:40.980 Yeah, he wasn't.

01:21:42.380 He was at the mercy of what the FBI prior to him is.

01:21:45.600 It's a frustrating case because not everything was done exactly the way the Kash Patel FBI would do it.

01:21:51.620 But there have been some real exaggerations in some of this reporting.

01:21:55.220 Some of the reporting, the FBI said there was no social history.

01:21:57.900 That's not true.

01:21:58.740 They said they did have a social history, but it kind of cut off in 2020.

01:22:01.540 So some of the early reporting misreported with the FBI, which starts your conspiracy theories going.

01:22:07.440 And it's kind of hard to get into a debate about something where, at the end of the day, right now, based on the evidence that the FBI has, they don't have any other co-conspirators.

01:22:16.560 It's a guy that went out there, maybe changed philosophies, tried to kill the president, and then got killed by a sniper team.

01:22:23.060 It's just not a debate where, if you're the FBI director, you're going to win a lot on it because there's just not a whole lot there.

01:22:28.160 But why wouldn't you own the transfury thing?

01:22:29.880 The transfury thing is weird to me.

01:22:31.900 Like, that is either true or it's not true.

01:22:34.580 And this FBI has been very forthcoming, for example, on the trans connections of the Nashville, Tennessee shooter, the one whose manifesto the previous FBI withheld from us.

01:22:45.380 I know something about Kash.

01:22:46.200 He said something very important.

01:22:48.080 We've fully briefed the president, who's a victim.

01:22:51.740 And then he said, you know, we want to respect some of the other victims in this matter.

01:22:56.240 It is very possible that the president of the United States basically told him, enough's enough on this.

01:23:01.540 Let's move on.

01:23:02.380 And he's going to take the direction of his boss.

01:23:04.440 But I thought it was very instructive that Kash went out of his way in that segment of your interview to say, I've told the president everything, and we're going to respect the wishes of the victims here.

01:23:13.640 I think that it was a signal, and I've heard some inkling that the president basically said, all right, enough of this.

01:23:19.100 We've got our things to work on, and, you know, let's fix the country, get peace.

01:23:22.360 But it did seem to me that that was an interesting insight to Kash.

01:23:26.000 He doesn't very often invoke the president when he's trying to explain why he's saying something or not saying something.

01:23:31.980 I would take some lean into that.

01:23:34.140 The other thing, John, is he's—I know he gets ripped on by his critics, but he actually is very forthcoming.

01:23:40.000 I mean, the answers he was giving, like, he answered everything he could without justifying the investigation.

01:23:45.880 Like, most FBI agents or directors, they don't talk.

01:23:50.000 You never see them.

01:23:51.140 Like, even for him to come on—I realize this is a win that they want to celebrate, but just to sit down for 35 minutes and talk with me as much as he did is extraordinary.

01:23:59.280 Here's a great piece of information that tells you the difference between the last director and the current director.

01:24:05.500 In eight, nine years of the Chris Wray thing, I think they turned over about 3,000 to 4,000 documents to all congressional investigations.

01:24:13.060 Kash Patel has turned over 40,000 in the first nine months of his tenure.

01:24:17.300 It is a much more transparent FBI.

01:24:19.060 Now, there's a lot to give to the public because we were kept in the dark about a lot of things,

01:24:23.740 but I don't get a sense that this FBI is hiding things,

01:24:26.440 and I'm not sure that Miranda Devine's reporting goes anywhere, right?

01:24:29.860 It's interesting, but then it ends, and I think the fact that it ends is because there's just no more evidence trail for the FBI to pursue.

01:24:35.520 That's what my reporting shows.

01:24:37.020 I love Miranda.

01:24:37.680 I'm close friends with her.

01:24:38.620 She is a great reporter.

01:24:40.120 We work together on Hunter Biden.

01:24:41.600 Yeah, she's great.

01:24:42.560 I'm just not sure it goes anywhere, and I think maybe that's why Kash Patel cut it off because—

01:24:46.440 We've all, as reporters, we've all had stories that we thought were something and then turned out not to be something.

01:24:51.440 That's just part of the business.

01:24:52.180 They come to a cliff, yeah.

01:24:53.000 Yep, but here's what's interesting, Jim, on these shooters, if you think about—

01:24:57.020 because I asked him, of course, about Tyler Robinson, the Charlie Kirk-accused assassin,

01:25:00.680 and he said 100% Tyler Robinson is the man who did it.

01:25:04.200 No foreign government involvement.

01:25:06.100 No turning point involvement, of course, I had to ask,

01:25:09.760 and that they are actively considering whether there's a trans-TIFA connection

01:25:15.060 with some group of trans activists online who may have known in advance, participated, et cetera.

01:25:19.600 So very forthcoming on all of that.

01:25:21.320 But, Jim, if you look at these three alleged killers, Tyler, accused of killing Charlie,

01:25:26.900 Crooks, who did kill Corey Compertori and tried to kill Trump,

01:25:30.800 and now this guy Cole, they have a lot in common.

01:25:35.240 They're all young 20s at the time of their alleged crimes.

01:25:39.340 They're all social loners slash losers.

01:25:43.420 They're very isolated.

01:25:46.540 There was indeed a gaming connection, at least for Tyler Robinson.

01:25:50.520 And I don't know about Crooks, and maybe for Cole, you're saying.

01:25:53.880 We'll find out.

01:25:55.160 But as an FBI profiler, you're looking at this,

01:25:58.460 and you see those three guys with very similar social footprints, if you will.

01:26:04.060 What does it tell you?

01:26:05.020 Well, and it's not just those three, Megan, as you know.

01:26:09.360 We can go back 20 years or farther to, you know,

01:26:12.880 Columbine and those two young men and what happened there.

01:26:17.180 And, you know, in the last few hits I've done on Fox News with Laura and Jesse, et cetera,

01:26:22.600 and after these mass shootings, and certainly after Nashville,

01:26:27.460 we need, and now RFK Jr., of course, is in charge with, you know, Maha.

01:26:34.060 And we need, there's something with our young men especially, maybe some women too.

01:26:41.180 We need full toxicological workups of everything that's going into our children today.

01:26:48.760 Now, this is interesting.

01:26:49.300 And then add in Ritalin, you know, add in the vaxxers early on.

01:26:52.760 I'm not an anti-vaxxer.

01:26:54.040 Throw in Ritalin prescriptions.

01:26:55.480 Mom and dad, give it to them right away.

01:26:57.040 Also, a lot of parents never say no to their kids.

01:26:59.840 And then they start pot smoking when they're 15.

01:27:02.540 It's legal.

01:27:02.940 Yes.

01:27:03.700 However many states it is now.

01:27:05.660 And then, and all of a sudden their brains are, brains don't form fully until mid-20s.

01:27:11.420 That may have changed over evolutionary times.

01:27:13.240 That's true.

01:27:13.740 But for now, give or take, what the hell is going on that these young men,

01:27:18.520 and we'll put, you know, coal in there too from just, you know, the J5 person.

01:27:22.340 What's going on with their brains that they just can't assimilate with society, with the culture in which they're born?

01:27:30.940 Most of them live, they're not, you know, looking for food every single day.

01:27:35.240 They're not being deprived.

01:27:36.680 They have TV, cell phones, computers.

01:27:38.460 What makes them want to go out and kill fellow humans for no purpose otherwise?

01:27:43.960 It's not greed.

01:27:44.840 It's not robbery.

01:27:45.980 It's not sex or maybe sexual components of it.

01:27:49.260 And by the way, Megan and John, I never rule out, and I was one of the first people to say, when the word was coined, incel, involuntary celibate, I said, you know, looking back at everything with Ted Kaczynski, I think he was an incel, again, before that word was coined.

01:28:05.580 And a lot of these men I see now, young men, you know, how many of them fall into that category?

01:28:14.080 I mean, I'm not sure how incel falls into, if you're into fairy companions, maybe some other acronym for that.

01:28:23.260 I don't know.

01:28:23.920 But maybe you're not getting the sex life or the socialization you'd like with whatever sex is your preference.

01:28:31.860 So you look for people that dress as animals.

01:28:34.900 I don't know.

01:28:35.820 But it somehow paddles the brain.

01:28:37.980 All of this comes together.

01:28:39.560 And it's causing these people to do things that I don't think in the history of humankind ever happened on a scale like this, certainly not in Western culture over the last, you know, hundreds of years.

01:28:50.960 Like we're seeing.

01:28:52.160 I don't say this person's name because I never mentioned, you know, the mass shooters by name.

01:28:57.360 But the person who shot up Sandy Hook, too, was 100% an incel.

01:29:02.400 Absolutely.

01:29:03.500 Absolutely.

01:29:03.760 And also was living with his mother in the basement, nonstop gaming.

01:29:07.960 And you mentioned that Pot, Alex Berenson, a great reporter, he was like ahead of the curve on all the COVID issues.

01:29:16.940 He was, they maligned him, called him a quack.

01:29:20.160 All of his reporting has turned out to be true.

01:29:22.000 I mean, it's just been even his stuff about, we just reported earlier this week, kids dying during the vaccine trials.

01:29:27.880 A child died during the Moderna vaccine trial, he reports, and that Moderna took the person out of the trial so that they didn't have to count this child.

01:29:37.860 That's his reporting.

01:29:38.700 We've been told that the FDA will soon be issuing a black box warning for the COVID vaccine for children.

01:29:46.480 I mean, that's, if that actually happens, that's shocking.

01:29:49.760 After it was actually mandated by so many schools.

01:29:52.600 Shocking.

01:29:52.960 For the record, I went to our own schools and begged them not to do this, not to make it mandatory.

01:29:58.980 I was not listened to, but I did not get my children that vaccine.

01:30:02.160 Thank God.

01:30:02.680 By the way, for parents who are worried, I always feel the need to say, they do say, if the damage was done, it would have been done at the time.

01:30:08.600 You would know by now.

01:30:10.220 So don't, you know, if your child is okay all these years later, I think the answer is, you don't have anything to worry about now.

01:30:16.380 I would still get it checked out, still.

01:30:18.320 If your kid had COVID, or if your kid had the COVID vaccine, get an EKG, get an echocardiogram.

01:30:23.180 Usually insurance will pay for it.

01:30:24.620 But just don't freak out because of this news.

01:30:27.120 I mean, but there were kids who died.

01:30:29.360 There were kids who died of myocarditis.

01:30:30.580 Anyway, sorry, long wind up about Alex Merenson.

01:30:33.100 But he's been trying to draw attention to the dangers of today's pot and what it's doing to our young people.

01:30:40.080 And you know who we forgot to mention is the demon who killed those kids in Minneapolis in that church as they were going to school,

01:30:49.000 who you could see him smoking the pot as he was filming his weird manifesto and his pictures of himself as a demon.

01:30:55.820 So, like, we are finding some common through lines with these killers.

01:31:01.860 Yeah.

01:31:02.700 Oh, you're right.

01:31:03.720 Listen, I've talked to a lot of law enforcement in the last couple of years going back to Covenant.

01:31:08.340 There is something about an isolated male in the 21st century that is creating a syndrome of some sort,

01:31:15.580 whether it's a loss of the identity of masculinity or a lot of these kids came from decent homes.

01:31:21.820 It wasn't like they were poor or that they were deprived of enormous resources.

01:31:25.680 But there is a common thread of isolation, and isolation with some unusual gaming habits with some of them.

01:31:32.240 Not all of them, but a lot of them are in this gaming world.

01:31:34.920 But they seem to slip into a world where reality becomes secondary,

01:31:39.140 and then mores start to erode to the point where killing someone doesn't seem to be an evil act anymore.

01:31:45.000 And I think that in talking to a lot of cops who responded to these specific events,

01:31:50.300 they're seeing something more of a syndrome.

01:31:52.200 I've had law enforcement people and criminal psychologists say that there is some syndrome going on with young men in America right now.

01:31:58.860 I think Jim, as one of the greatest profilers in the history of the FBI, he's on to something here.

01:32:03.160 This is a bigger issue than a series of incidents, and it's something societal.

01:32:07.400 I mean, Jim, no one is in autism for these murders or attempted murders at all.

01:32:14.020 I have a dear relative who has serious Asperger's.

01:32:19.260 That doesn't make you a criminal, doesn't make you a murderer at all.

01:32:22.580 But it can be a common thread in someone who is vulnerable, if not in the proper parenting situation, support situation, and so on,

01:32:32.740 to where mass isolation can take place, and then other corruptions, whether it's the furry community, the gaming community,

01:32:40.480 those two are related, pot, you know, what have you.

01:32:43.560 You take it from here.

01:32:45.120 Yeah, and John referenced it.

01:32:47.060 I didn't put it in my initial list because it's ubiquitous everywhere we go, and that is the Internet.

01:32:50.920 And the most isolated of people, you know, and this Cole character sounds like one of them, I have no doubt he's spending a lot of time online.

01:33:00.820 And, you know, who knows the dark web, the regular web, but he's accessing all these different sites and talking to different people.

01:33:07.440 Who knows if they're edging him on or pushing him.

01:33:09.960 I'm not saying they knew he was the J-5 bomber, but he's just getting all these types of different personalities that are just pushing different ideologies to him.

01:33:20.140 And just says, hey, you know what, I've got to be a person.

01:33:23.140 I haven't done much in my life.

01:33:24.260 I haven't accomplished much.

01:33:25.320 I really have no friends, and I only work at my dad's company or whatever it is.

01:33:29.560 I've got to make my mark in life, so here's how I'm going to do it.

01:33:32.460 And now this happens to be a black male, by the way.

01:33:34.620 You know, we talk about a lot of white males being, you know, chastised over the years and denigrated for just being white males.

01:33:42.700 And a few friends asked me, I worked on the first ever case of a black sniper.

01:33:49.500 We've had other snipers in this country, and that was, you know, Mohammed at Malibu.

01:33:53.480 And we may have the first black bomber here.

01:33:57.500 I'm not going to call him a serial bomber as of yet because we only know of one.

01:34:01.160 And, again, this isn't – I'm not getting into any racial, you know, aspects of this here.

01:34:05.920 It's just from an observational demographic perspective, most – if I had to do a profile on this guy early on,

01:34:12.380 it's because the way he was dressed and the gloves and mask and everything else,

01:34:15.780 I probably would have said former bombers have been white males.

01:34:19.460 Percentage-wise, statistically, this is probably a white male.

01:34:22.220 I would have been wrong by the race.

01:34:24.340 And no one else called this guy a black male when they didn't know who it was.

01:34:28.260 So that just – it just deviated from the norm.

01:34:30.340 I mean, Jake Tapper is calling him a white male even after we knew he was a black male.

01:34:34.140 See, that's twice for CNN.

01:34:36.900 That's twice identifying a black suspect as a white man when it's not true.

01:34:42.160 I know you've got to run, John, but I have to ask you this.

01:34:44.560 Yesterday, as the news broke of this arrest, MS Now reported that their sources were telling them

01:34:51.560 this person had links to Antifa.

01:34:54.220 And it was a very interesting report coming from MS Now, you know,

01:34:58.100 which wouldn't necessarily have a political motive, an ideological motive to press the Antifa button

01:35:04.480 if they didn't have it solidly as a report.

01:35:08.580 So I assume they did have some law enforcement type suggesting to them that this guy was Antifa.

01:35:14.860 Do you believe now, 24 hours later plus, that that will pan out or that they were misinformed?

01:35:22.120 What do you think is going on there?

01:35:23.380 Unclear.

01:35:24.380 There was a couple of reports.

01:35:25.600 One was that he was an anarchist or had anarchist ties, and the other was that he had Antifa ties.

01:35:31.100 I don't think as of 11 this morning when I did my last round of reporting that they have an assessment

01:35:36.180 of any proof about ideological affiliations.

01:35:39.640 I think the way Jim has so eloquently described this suspect is sort of where the FBI is right now,

01:35:46.980 a loner who might have done this in a thrill-seeking way, in a gamification way,

01:35:50.580 to find some relevance or thrill in an otherwise isolated life.

01:35:54.060 It does seem like they're in that category now.

01:35:56.860 But they've warned me that they're going to do weeks of more investigation.

01:36:02.300 There's going to be layers to this suspect added to his profile that we don't have yet,

01:36:06.720 so it's awful early.

01:36:07.720 But I haven't had anyone tell me yet, hey, look, BLM, Antifa yet, or look at neo-Nazism.

01:36:14.560 I think they're just seeing a kid that seemed to be very isolated, acts out,

01:36:19.320 and now they're trying to layer in what gave him the ideas and who was he talking to,

01:36:22.780 who his friends are.

01:36:24.040 And that's why you're seeing so much activity in the 24 hours since his arrest.

01:36:27.920 If you look, the FBI has been everywhere in Prince William County.

01:36:30.820 I live there, and they're everywhere because when they lock on, they lock on,

01:36:34.700 and they don't turn over.

01:36:36.300 They don't leave any stone unturned.

01:36:37.580 And I think they're really learning who this man is.

01:36:39.860 I think five days from now, we're going to get a much clearer answer about that.

01:36:44.560 But early on, I didn't get anyone who said, no, I go with that anarchist Antifa thing.

01:36:48.560 They told me, hold off.

01:36:49.720 We're not sure about that.

01:36:51.760 Just let me add here.

01:36:53.000 This just came in.

01:36:53.920 Hold just one second.

01:36:55.460 CNN just reported that he was brought, Ryan Cole Jr.,

01:36:58.720 before Magistrate Judge Moxilla Upadaya Friday afternoon for an initial court appearance.

01:37:05.260 He was wearing a tan jumpsuit.

01:37:06.820 A detention hearing was set for December 15th,

01:37:09.600 where prosecutors will seek for Cole to be detained ahead of his trial.

01:37:13.180 He's not getting out on bail.

01:37:14.140 He will be detained.

01:37:15.140 Even in this crazy justice system, this guy's going to be detained.

01:37:18.320 Go ahead, Jim.

01:37:19.420 And I know, John, you probably have to run, so feel free to bail.

01:37:21.460 All I was going to say is the bar is pretty low to get into Antifa or BLM,

01:37:25.700 their vetting process.

01:37:27.040 So he could have walked in the door of whatever friend of a friend of a friend he may know

01:37:31.160 from a bail skipper of some sort.

01:37:33.780 And they said, oh, all right, you're Antifa now.

01:37:35.500 So if he did belong, that's not like a big sergeant stripe he has on his arm or something

01:37:42.440 proving anything.

01:37:43.560 It's not like a big aha.

01:37:45.260 Okay.

01:37:46.200 You guys, thank you.

01:37:46.780 I don't think Antifa, listen, here's one thing that's really important.

01:37:48.640 Antifa BLM probably wouldn't have been targeting Kamala Harris at the DNC.

01:37:52.960 Remember, that bomb is planted where the vice president-elect is going the next morning.

01:37:57.060 And it was public she was going there.

01:37:58.760 It wasn't a secret.

01:38:00.040 That was on a public schedule known.

01:38:01.740 And so those are things that, you know, again, we're going to learn a lot more.

01:38:05.400 But you know what, John, what you just said just reminded me.

01:38:08.100 This does, this too has some parallels with the crook situation where, again, according

01:38:13.160 to the reporting, his social media, he was like a far righty.

01:38:16.000 Then he became a far lefty.

01:38:17.940 He hated everyone.

01:38:19.760 He took a shot at Trump and did kill Trump supporters, but also had Googled where Biden

01:38:26.240 was going to be shortly before that event at Butler.

01:38:30.740 Like these things that they're not as clean or as clear as the punditry class would like

01:38:37.160 them to be.

01:38:38.060 There's a term that a couple of law enforcement officials have used with me in recent thing,

01:38:42.380 and it's still growing on me, but disillusionment criminals, meaning they're just so disillusioned.

01:38:47.560 They're looking to strike out either for thrill or just to excise their anger.

01:38:51.640 And we're looking for that right, left or, you know, nice, clean box to put them in.

01:38:56.980 And maybe this isolation and disillusion has created a sort of criminal murderer or a bomber

01:39:04.040 that really doesn't have that left, right switch.

01:39:07.860 It's they're trapped in disillusion.

01:39:09.740 And this act is their act of getting out of that disillusion.

01:39:13.340 I've heard that in a few interviews over the last six months going back through Covenant

01:39:17.660 and the Minnesota case and a couple of other cases that aren't even that high profile.

01:39:22.160 But we may have a generational issue with some of our young people, particularly those

01:39:25.940 young men, black and white.

01:39:28.280 It's going to be interesting to see what the behavioral sciences unit at the FBI learns

01:39:33.580 from this.

01:39:33.980 And they'll learn a lot from this guy, just like they're learning from Crooks and the

01:39:38.320 others that we've arrested or were extinguished in their crime.

01:39:42.380 We haven't even mentioned Brian Kohlberger.

01:39:44.160 You know, I mean, that's another, like, obviously deeply disturbed young man.

01:39:48.240 You got Mangione up in New York too, right?

01:39:49.920 You got Mangione up in New York.

01:39:50.880 He was another young guy.

01:39:52.280 Yes, who was succeeding in life, incel, right, exactly.

01:39:55.680 Who was succeeding in life on paper prior to throwing it all away to murder Brian Thompson.

01:40:01.200 This just in, Caitlin Dornbos over the New York Post, I think, reporting that at his initial

01:40:08.020 court appearance, they said Brian Kohl, he has a slight speech impediment.

01:40:12.920 Highest education was high school.

01:40:14.700 She writes, he moves stiffly.

01:40:16.840 His family cried out to him as he left the courtroom, quote, we love you, Brian.

01:40:20.720 We're here for you.

01:40:21.860 That dovetails with what News Nation just reported.

01:40:24.900 His family yelled to him, we love you.

01:40:26.780 He was wearing a prison outfit and glasses.

01:40:28.620 He spoke to law enforcement for four hours Thursday, the day of his arrest.

01:40:31.760 Reporting, you confirmed at the top of our segment, John Solomon, that the reporting

01:40:35.180 is he's confessed and that they know now that he believed in what's being described as the

01:40:43.000 2020 conspiracy theory around Trump not having lost, not having lost that election.

01:40:50.460 Now, whether that was the motive, how that played in, that piece of it has not yet been

01:40:55.060 tied together, just to be clear as we let you go.

01:40:58.020 Yeah, right on.

01:40:59.400 We're going to learn more.

01:41:00.360 Stay tuned.

01:41:00.780 Well, we know we're going to hear from you.

01:41:03.200 So thank you, John Solomon.

01:41:04.460 Thank you, too, Jim.

01:41:05.240 It's great to see you both.

01:41:06.260 We really appreciate it.

01:41:07.320 Appreciate all you've done, Jim Fitzgerald, for us in your service as the FBI.

01:41:11.080 Thanks, guys.

01:41:12.440 You're welcome.

01:41:14.580 Okay.

01:41:15.460 Keep it rolling for a couple minutes here, and then we'll have to say goodbye ourselves.

01:41:17.980 But what an incredible story.

01:41:20.540 What an incredible day.

01:41:21.460 And, you know, there's some, there's some strange, I don't know, is it Shakespearean?

01:41:28.260 What is it that we had an FBI that didn't want to investigate this case for whatever

01:41:33.020 reason, or so it would appear.

01:41:34.640 You heard Cash say he thought it was intentional in that they had other priorities.

01:41:39.860 You know, they obviously did investigate it.

01:41:41.200 They did have a bunch of leads.

01:41:42.620 They did get some data, but they didn't, they didn't do the legwork that this FBI did.

01:41:48.700 It was sitting right there, and they didn't do it.

01:41:51.300 This FBI examined the same things that the old FBI had to get a name.

01:41:55.860 That's, that was clear from Cash's interview.

01:41:57.660 They got the name Brian Cole Jr. from stuff that was sitting in the files of Chris Ray's

01:42:03.720 FBI.

01:42:04.700 And once they got that name, they worked with Janine Pirro to start getting subpoenas for

01:42:10.440 that guy's credit cards, for that guy's cell phones, for that guy's social media to zero

01:42:14.680 in on what shopping he had done and when, what he had purchased and where.

01:42:17.800 They had shoe leather investigatory work by sending FBI agents to the store saying, do

01:42:22.400 you know this guy?

01:42:23.040 Does he come in?

01:42:24.220 Were there any other purchases?

01:42:25.400 Can we search?

01:42:26.640 That seemed to be clearly how they found the cash purchases and so on.

01:42:29.960 And then they figured out who could be ruled out and so on, the sneakers.

01:42:34.160 So why?

01:42:35.600 Why did, why did Chris Ray's FBI move on?

01:42:37.640 Truly, was it, they had other priorities like Russiagate, like Arctic Frost, trying to pin

01:42:42.820 everything on, on Trump and his official, his, his administration.

01:42:46.960 Like, that's a very interesting question.

01:42:49.200 Was there some fear on their part that the J6 bomber would, would not be beneficial to

01:42:57.300 find for some reason?

01:42:58.380 Like they had some whiff of who it might be and they didn't want it to come out.

01:43:02.640 I, there's no evidence of that.

01:43:04.080 But I mean, what if it turns out that all along the identity of the J6 bomber, the motivation

01:43:09.420 of the J6 bomber actually would have dovetailed well with the Biden theory or the Jack Smith

01:43:16.740 theory around January 6th.

01:43:18.960 And they just didn't bother looking for it.

01:43:21.380 I mean, it's just like, it's pretty ironic.

01:43:24.520 And that thing about whether the Trump pardon could potentially help this guy is a very interesting

01:43:28.580 question that trust me, we're not done with.

01:43:31.040 Um, okay, we got to run.

01:43:33.500 I have more to say, but I'm gonna have to say it on Monday.

01:43:35.460 Thank you for listening.

01:43:36.660 Thanks for bearing with my illness and my voice this week.

01:43:39.420 Have a great weekend.

01:43:40.200 And we'll talk on Monday with Walter Kern.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - December 05, 2025

FBI Director Kash Patel Reveals NEW Details of Pipe Bomber Arrest, and Ongoing Mysteries, with John Solomon and Jim Fitzgerald ｜ Ep. 1207

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