The Megyn Kelly Show - FBI's Hunter Warning, and Climate Hysteria, with Michael Shellenberger, Emily Jashinsky, and Eliana Johnson ｜ Ep. 381

00:00:00.360 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:11.600 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Monday.

00:00:16.640 The FBI today is responding to Mark Zuckerberg's claims that Facebook limited the Hunter Biden laptop story after the agency warned about Russian propaganda.

00:00:28.180 The Fed's now saying it cannot ask or direct companies to take action.

00:00:32.460 But here's the bizarre thing. Mark Zuckerberg and Facebook have put out a statement saying he said all of the same stuff he said to Joe Rogan, which made such headlines over the weekend, to Senator Ron Johnson in public testimony in October of 2020.

00:00:47.220 And we went back to fact check that fact checked it and we'll bring it to you.

00:00:51.800 We'll tell you whether Zuckerberg is correct. This has been out there for two years or hasn't it?

00:00:56.120 Meantime, we're learning new details about another FBI operation, and that is the raid on Mar-a-Lago.

00:01:01.760 We're going to dig deeper into why they did it and what they found as we learned new details over the weekend.

00:01:07.680 Once the supporting affidavit that was issued in support of the warrant was partially revealed.

00:01:13.920 But we begin today with the left swerving further to the left.

00:01:19.140 California now pledging to ban new gas car sales.

00:01:23.680 They're going to have to get rid of their cars that run on gas while the Biden administration declares war on efficient and relatively clean burning natural gas. 0.64

00:01:33.580 Why? We know why they hate oil.

00:01:35.760 What about natural gas? What's so wrong with natural gas?

00:01:38.640 They'd rather people starve, apparently, because that's what's about to happen.

00:01:42.100 It's a decision my next guest argues will not only undermine Western civilization, but it will, in fact, kill people.

00:01:49.080 It has been killing people across the globe.

00:01:52.480 Joining me now, one of my favorite guests, Michael Schellenberger, bestselling author, journalist, and the founder and president of Environmental Progress.

00:02:04.380 Michael, welcome back to the show.

00:02:05.960 Good to be with you, Megan.

00:02:07.540 By the way, guys, if you're not following Michael on Substack, you absolutely should be.

00:02:11.320 I follow him personally, and I read everything you write, and I always find it edifying, and I always learn something new.

00:02:18.940 So this really caught my eye because, you know, it's like, whoa.

00:02:23.160 So you're going to have to buy an electric vehicle in California, not immediately, but not in the too distant future either.

00:02:31.440 And slowly but surely, gas guzzlers are not even going to be available in California bit by bit over the next 10 years.

00:02:39.240 What do you make of this policy?

00:02:42.640 I mean, it's part of the collective madness that's occurring in Western countries, including the United States right now.

00:02:49.340 I mean, as you mentioned, we're in the worst energy crisis that we've been in since the early 70s.

00:02:54.180 It might be much worse than that.

00:02:55.960 Hundreds of millions of people are going to die of hunger this year because of expensive natural gas, because of the war on natural gas, the war on oil and gas, both by President Biden, but also, you see, in Canada, in Europe.

00:03:08.160 So we're in a very serious crisis right now.

00:03:11.020 There is reason to think that one day we will move to hydrogen fuel cell cars.

00:03:16.260 It's unlikely to be a transition to electric cars, in my view, because they're basically powered with lithium, which relies on rare earths.

00:03:24.560 That entire industry is based in China, and it's insane from a national security perspective to become more dependent on China at this moment in our history.

00:03:35.200 These are also very expensive, very heavy vehicles.

00:03:40.020 Most experts that look at this think that if we're going to move away from gasoline, it's going to be the hydrogen fuel cells.

00:03:45.860 That's been the view for decades.

00:03:47.660 So the idea that you're going to just ban internal combustion engines and move to a kind of vehicle that would increase our dependency on China at a moment like this is just bonkers.

00:04:00.180 It's not going to happen.

00:04:01.540 They're going to have to reverse course.

00:04:02.800 But I think it's it epitomizes the, you know, the danger, the real danger that we're in with this war on energy and in particular the war on oil and gas.

00:04:12.900 So it's not going to be just California either, because at least Virginia has an automatic trigger in its law saying we're going to do whatever California does when it comes to climate change regulations.

00:04:23.720 And they say something like 12 to 16 other states are likely to follow suit.

00:04:27.540 So if you're in a blue, blue state, expect the same in your state.

00:04:30.900 If California goes through with this, which they're saying they're going to, you're saying it's not going to happen because it's impractical, I assume.

00:04:37.320 But they're you know, they've resolved to do it.

00:04:40.140 The vote happened on Thursday by the California air regulators.

00:04:44.520 They say that this will be the one of the first such bans worldwide, just so the audience knows what we're talking about.

00:04:51.060 They set interim quotas for zero emission vehicles.

00:04:55.620 All right.

00:04:56.180 So starting with the 2026 model cars, 35 percent of all new cars, SUVs and small pickups sold in California must have zero must be zero emission vehicles.

00:05:07.200 That quota increases each year.

00:05:10.160 It's expected to reach 51 percent of all new car sales in 2028.

00:05:14.120 That's just six years away.

00:05:16.120 And then by 2030, it's supposed to be 68 percent of all cars have to be zero emission by 2035, 100 percent.

00:05:28.260 So not to be too dense, but when they say you have to have a zero emission vehicle that more than half of all new car sales in 2028, six years from now, have to be zero emission.

00:05:39.300 Does that mean they have to be totally electric?

00:05:42.720 Yeah, electric or fuel cell.

00:05:44.120 But look, I think the point of this is that, you know, we didn't get the iPhone by banning flip phones.

00:05:51.220 You know, we didn't get internal combustion vehicles by banning horse and buggies.

00:05:55.780 Innovation occurs.

00:05:57.160 It becomes better and cheaper than the incumbent technology.

00:06:00.360 And we move to it through market forces.

00:06:03.280 Governments can help with R&D, but this thing of kind of bans on on technologies that are at this moment in time superior to the technologies that they want.

00:06:14.480 It's just madness.

00:06:15.420 I mean, I think we're at a moment of peak climate hysteria, peak climate nihilism, where basically the concerns around climate change, some of which I hold, by the way, I think climate change is real and we should do something about.

00:06:28.900 But it's just created a kind of derangement syndrome among many people on the left, where they think that somehow you just get technologies by banning this or that technology and wishing a new technology to exist in its place.

00:06:43.780 It doesn't work like that.

00:06:45.540 These are, you know, we have technologies that are based on decades of development.

00:06:51.480 Electric cars, they're a long ways off still.

00:06:54.740 There's a lot of problems with them, as I mentioned, particularly the heavy reliance on rare earths, the heavy reliance on Chinese materials.

00:07:02.960 There's a lot of talk about returning those industries to the United States.

00:07:06.360 That hasn't happened.

00:07:07.660 And it's unlikely to happen within the next decade, if ever, for some of the reasons I mentioned.

00:07:14.200 There are good reasons, I think, that we'll move to hydrogen over time.

00:07:17.420 But we're talking about a decades long process.

00:07:20.160 Energy transitions, like the transition from coal to oil and gas, or the transition from wood to coal before that, and the transition from what I think will eventually occur from natural gas to nuclear.

00:07:31.760 These things take decades and centuries.

00:07:34.560 You can't just go and make them happen in a few years.

00:07:38.360 It's just politicians gone wild in California.

00:07:41.820 And it's really the case all around the world.

00:07:43.560 It's a kind of mania that we're experiencing right now.

00:07:46.740 I think we're about to have a really abrupt wake-up call this winter when we see just how deadly many of these policies have become.

00:07:54.280 I want to get to that, but table it for right now, because I want to stay on batteries for a second.

00:07:59.260 So there's at least a couple of problems.

00:08:01.780 One is supporting China.

00:08:03.600 According to my stats, current electric vehicles depend on lithium for their batteries, which store and use energy produced elsewhere.

00:08:12.100 Most lithium is produced overseas, chiefly in Australia, Chile, and China.

00:08:17.440 Batteries primarily manufactured in China.

00:08:20.600 The U.S. has one lithium processing facility, and it's not even among the world's top 10 lithium-producing nations.

00:08:29.120 So we're not going to be making these batteries.

00:08:31.700 We've got to get them from places like China. 0.93

00:08:33.420 So we've got a problem in terms of greater dependence on China for the batteries of these cars.

00:08:38.540 And we've got a problem of, you've mentioned this on the show before, the charging stations.

00:08:43.800 Does anybody who's got an iPhone knows if you have something that's, you know, electronic, you've got to charge it at one point or another.

00:08:50.940 And the same is true for the batteries inside of these cars.

00:08:53.480 And does California have the infrastructure to charge, I don't know how many people are in the state of California, to charge all of their electric vehicles by, you know, 10 years from now?

00:09:04.400 No, it does not.

00:09:05.420 Absolutely does not.

00:09:06.720 You know, the materials component, just one more thing on that.

00:09:09.220 It's a huge issue.

00:09:10.360 It's not just lithium.

00:09:11.340 It's also nickel.

00:09:12.200 It's also rare earths.

00:09:13.700 We know that the mining of these rare earths is incredibly destructive.

00:09:17.180 The Associated Press just came out with a major report about how devastating rare earth mining, these are these very, they're actually common minerals, but they're at low levels in the earth.

00:09:28.580 And so you have to dig up a lot of earth to get a small amount of these pure elements.

00:09:34.040 But devastating impact on the rainforests of Burma, of Myanmar.

00:09:38.820 We also know that they're all processed in China in the refining process itself is incredibly energy intensive, incredibly dirty.

00:09:45.880 It's very unlikely to see these industries coming back to the United States, given our very high environmental standards.

00:09:51.760 So there's just a huge minerals component of this that is being underestimated.

00:09:56.300 Yes, the charging stations is, of course, a huge obstacle.

00:09:59.400 There's no universal agreement on what the kind of charging system should be.

00:10:04.920 There's been some conflicts between the electric automakers around what that standard should be.

00:10:10.420 And then there's many other issues.

00:10:12.020 Another issue is that fast charging has been promoted as a way to really quickly refuel the electric cars with electricity.

00:10:20.220 But that itself actually puts a heavy toll on their batteries.

00:10:24.020 It makes the batteries run out much faster than in a normal refueling.

00:10:28.700 So, you know, those are some of the problems.

00:10:30.680 Another problem, of course, is that you're going from, you're having multiple energy conversions.

00:10:35.180 Just to get a little wonky here, what you want is every time you convert energy, either from chemicals into electricity or from a fuel like coal or natural gas into heat and then into electricity, you're paying a penalty that has an economic cost.

00:10:51.120 And so you want to reduce the number of energy conversions.

00:10:54.700 With a hydrogen fuel cell, you only have one conversion, which is from natural gas to hydrogen.

00:11:00.120 Eventually, in the future, it would be from water to hydrogen.

00:11:04.300 But with the electric vehicles, you're having multiple, you're having at least one or two more energy conversions, which makes the cost of it that much higher.

00:11:12.460 So, yeah, I guess the bottom line, because there's a lot of complexity here, but the bottom line is that these are technologies that are simply not ready.

00:11:19.380 They're very expensive.

00:11:20.680 They require an increased dependence on China at a time where we really don't want to become more dependent on China.

00:11:26.280 Well, you mentioned the environment, and this is something we've talked about in your first episode on the show, how you sort of came from a place of loving the earth, being a nature lover, an outdoorsman, to working for Greenpeace, volunteering for Greenpeace, and then working with the Obama administration on Solyndra, on these solar panels.

00:11:45.780 And your evolution into somebody who was skeptical of these things was very natural because you were a flag bearer.

00:11:54.480 I mean, you were one of the biggest proponents of all that stuff.

00:11:56.860 But your love of the earth, your love of environmentalism, it clashed in a way with this climate change extremism.

00:12:07.160 They're so focused on temperatures, they've totally forgotten about the earth and protection of the earth with things like these massive wind farms and solar farms.

00:12:17.060 And as you point out, that's why I think it's interesting to hear you go back to mining.

00:12:21.440 And I actually haven't given a lot of thought to what, you know, like when you were talking, why is it bad to be digging up the earth, like you point out, to get what's necessary for these batteries?

00:12:31.080 What does that do?

00:12:32.200 Why should we be concerned about it?

00:12:34.880 Yeah, that's right.

00:12:35.600 So, I mean, what you want from an environmental point of view is you want to use the least amount of natural resource.

00:12:44.020 Now, what environmentalists in the 60s, the pro-scarcity environmentalists believed is that that meant that we should reduce how much energy we use.

00:12:51.780 But it turns out the relationship is exactly the opposite.

00:12:54.840 You can reduce how much natural resource you use if you are using more energy.

00:13:00.300 So energy becomes a replacement of natural resource.

00:13:04.300 So if you're using, for example, natural gas and eventually moving to hydrogen, you don't have to use you don't have to mine as much.

00:13:14.080 You don't have to use as much land for energy production.

00:13:16.640 The one statistic that I think everybody should know is that it takes about 300 times more land to generate the same amount of electricity from solar farms or wind farms as it does from a natural gas or nuclear plant.

00:13:29.740 That's a huge difference.

00:13:31.520 That's not 30 percent more.

00:13:33.120 That's 300 times more.

00:13:35.700 That's a gigantic land footprint.

00:13:38.080 So anybody that loves the natural world, that loves forests and deserts and grasslands where there's birds and endangered tortoises, we now know that the expansion of wind threatens the extinction of golden eagles.

00:13:52.560 So, I mean, this is not a minor event.

00:13:55.960 These are this is I mean, really, the expansion of renewables is the greatest threat to endangered bird and bat and other species around the world.

00:14:05.100 So this is not a small thing.

00:14:06.500 So the but if you're using if you're getting energy, if you're just pulling more gas out of shales, which is this underground rock formation that we have in the United States and around the world, abundant amounts of it.

00:14:17.500 You can use that gas to power the civilization and you don't have to do what the proponents of renewables and electric cars want to do, which is to massively expand mining and minerals.

00:14:29.760 I mean, you're looking at something like a five to seven fold increase of mining in order to power electric vehicles, mining environmentalists have traditionally opposed this.

00:14:40.720 You're talking about not just, you know, ripping up forests in places like Southeast Asia or around the world.

00:14:47.540 You're then also digging into it and creating the waste byproduct, the tailings.

00:14:52.640 So you're trying if you if you really love nature and you want to save the natural environment, you want to use less of it.

00:14:57.480 And that actually means using more power, dense, more energy intensive processes rather than more material and land use intensive processes.

00:15:09.640 So what I mean, if you were in charge of this problem and you did run for governor of California, so you wanted to be in charge of this problem, at least in that state.

00:15:18.580 What would you do when it comes to vehicles and reform?

00:15:21.100 Well, I think the first thing is and thanks for asking that question, because I think this is a moment that calls out for a long term vision.

00:15:28.660 So I think the first thing is that, you know, recognizes that we're in an energy crisis.

00:15:32.120 We need to produce significantly more oil and gas in order to power in order to provide energy to our allies in Europe and Asia.

00:15:39.400 They do not have abundant natural gas and oil like we have.

00:15:42.360 They're trying to move away from Russian oil and gas correctly. 0.67

00:15:46.220 In my view, we do not want to return that.

00:15:48.740 We do not want our allies to return to any amount of use of Russian oil and gas.

00:15:53.220 That means that we have to replace it and we can do it in the United States.

00:15:57.100 I just ran the calculations.

00:15:58.820 The United States has enough natural gas to both provide for ourselves and for Europe for a thousand years.

00:16:06.300 There's no way we'll ever want to do that.

00:16:08.120 We want to move to nuclear within the next hundred years, hundred and fifty years.

00:16:12.560 Same thing with the move away from oil.

00:16:14.480 We want to move to hydrogen over the next hundred, hundred and fifty years.

00:16:17.720 So that's the long term vision.

00:16:19.420 The long term vision is to phase out the use of coal.

00:16:22.920 We don't need coal anymore.

00:16:24.220 We have abundant natural gas produces half the carbon emissions of coal.

00:16:28.880 And then we want to use that natural gas increasingly both for electricity,

00:16:32.980 but then also for transportation by creating hydrogen.

00:16:37.000 So natural gas, just to get a little wonky in the chemistry.

00:16:42.080 No, I appreciate it because I don't understand.

00:16:44.380 When you say hydrogen, I don't understand.

00:16:46.340 Yeah, it's super.

00:16:47.160 In some ways, it's really simple.

00:16:48.440 I'm not a big math or chemistry person myself, but it's pretty simple to understand.

00:16:52.320 Natural gas is CH4.

00:16:55.360 So there's one carbon atom and four hydrogen atoms.

00:16:59.240 Hydrogen gas is H2.

00:17:00.840 So you can just split the carbon atom off and then you can also split that hydrogen into hydrogen gas.

00:17:09.220 So you can make hydrogen gas out of natural gas.

00:17:13.420 And so over time in this, again, we're talking decades and maybe a century or so to make this transition.

00:17:20.780 We can reduce carbon emissions in the short term because that's something most people want to do by replacing our coal with natural gas.

00:17:28.980 But then to replace oil, it's much trickier.

00:17:31.160 It's going to take a longer period of time to move to hydrogen.

00:17:33.960 But we do that by starting with with natural gas and reformulating it, as we say, into hydrogen gas.

00:17:41.700 And then you've got a move to hydrogen.

00:17:44.460 And once your economy is going from natural gas to nuclear for electricity and from oil and natural gas to hydrogen for transportation, you're in a so-called net zero economy.

00:17:58.080 But you're getting there through using more natural gas and oil, at least in the short and medium term, not less.

00:18:08.600 And so this drastic, radical war on natural gas that President Biden is prosecuting, that the governor of California is prosecuting, that the Europeans have been caught up with, it's now literally causing energy and food shortages so that hundreds of millions of people will die.

00:18:25.200 You know, the other thing is that fertilizer, there's three kinds of fertilizer.

00:18:28.920 One of the most important is a nitrogen fertilizer, also made from natural gas.

00:18:33.680 So you need more natural gas for electricity, for eventually for transportation and also for making food.

00:18:42.120 And so we're in an era of abundant natural gas.

00:18:45.620 The United States is blessed with these abundant natural gas resources.

00:18:49.540 We need to expand their use and have this longer term vision of what you'd call decarbonization, which is to deal with climate change.

00:18:57.440 But we have to deal with the emergency at hand.

00:18:59.840 And that's going to require significantly expanding natural gas and oil production in the short and medium term.

00:19:06.320 Natural gas, those are dirty words in the Biden administration.

00:19:10.620 He doesn't seem to make any distinction between natural gas and oil.

00:19:13.480 And you mentioned Germany and our European allies.

00:19:17.340 Correct me if I'm wrong, but they've been begging.

00:19:19.160 They've been begging us for help when it comes to natural gas and oil.

00:19:23.320 And we we won't provide it.

00:19:25.560 We kind of give them like a sure, sure, sure.

00:19:28.480 I'll invite you to my party.

00:19:29.640 And then we never send the invitation ever.

00:19:31.700 I mean, he's he's against them and he doesn't even care that we're kind of cutting off the spigot from Putin right now.

00:19:38.900 He won't backfill.

00:19:40.040 I mean, we're in we're looking at a crisis, but Europe's really looking at a crisis like soon when it comes to energy, no?

00:19:48.840 Yeah, you said it just right, Megan, which is that the Europeans, they're very Americans were a little bit more blunt.

00:19:59.500 Europeans tend to be more diplomatic.

00:20:02.420 And sometimes if you've ever dealt with Europeans, you'll know some of them are more direct than others. 0.98

00:20:07.160 But they try to tell you what they want in a really polite way.

00:20:12.260 And sometimes we Americans are really dense about it.

00:20:15.040 And so they have to be more direct.

00:20:17.020 And so we we first saw this publicly emerge in June at the G7 conference.

00:20:22.460 We saw the French president, Emmanuel Macron, tell Biden in a kind of pretend stage whisper in front of a whole like gaggle of journalists.

00:20:34.800 He said, you know, I just spoke to the basically the UAE, the United Arab Emirates head of state.

00:20:44.900 And he said that the Arab nations are not going to be able to produce as much petroleum as we thought.

00:20:51.100 And this is Macron saying this to Biden and there's Biden.

00:20:54.740 He's kind of like not totally there as usual.

00:20:58.980 But what Macron was doing was he was telling the world that the United States needs to produce more oil because we can't rely on Arab nations. 0.94

00:21:08.480 Well, Biden obviously didn't get the hint.

00:21:10.200 So he went to Saudi Arabia, begging them a little fist bump to the the Saudi royal prince, begging them for more oil.

00:21:20.000 They just announced that they're really not going to produce more oil because they like these high oil prices.

00:21:25.940 You know, so we saw the Biden administration going to Venezuela to beg for oil.

00:21:29.600 Meanwhile, Biden has not had the big oil companies to the White House yet to talk about how to expand production.

00:21:35.560 We don't have to.

00:21:36.120 It's absurd.

00:21:40.200 I mean, what are we doing?

00:21:41.740 I keep I keep asking people, like, what am I missing here?

00:21:45.220 Like, how is it better for the climate to be asking the Arab nations to produce more oil and gas when we could produce it here?

00:21:52.560 A benefit to American workers.

00:21:54.080 I mean, these are these are good, high paying jobs, Megan.

00:21:56.940 These are this is really a blessing.

00:21:59.420 It's a jewel, this oil and gas industry that we have in the United States.

00:22:04.040 You know, from a climate perspective, we reduced our carbon emissions 22 percent between 2005 and 2020.

00:22:10.200 Because of the transition from coal to cheaper natural gas.

00:22:13.280 So this is we're in bizarro world.

00:22:15.660 I mean, this is I mean, look, what it is, is Biden is trying to deliver for his fairly radicalized, apocalyptic Democratic Party base.

00:22:24.360 But it's putting the whole world in jeopardy.

00:22:28.020 It's putting Europe in danger.

00:22:29.380 We have an obligation to protect our allies in Europe.

00:22:32.220 We don't have to do it militarily.

00:22:34.300 But that means that we have to be able to provide them with the fuels that their economies depend on.

00:22:38.720 I mean, Germany right now is at risk of losing its glass manufacturing.

00:22:42.540 It's steel automotive.

00:22:44.100 This is the industrial heartland of Europe.

00:22:46.460 And they depend directly on gas for producing those those items and those those commodities.

00:22:53.180 So, yeah, it's I kind of am still shocked by it because I thought that the crisis would have woken the Biden administration up at this point.

00:23:00.160 But it apparently hasn't in Germany's in such trouble because it's not getting its gas now from Russia where it needed to get its gas from Russia.

00:23:08.080 And it's being in an effort to penalize Russia and then Russia striking back.

00:23:12.660 So they're involved in this whole Ukrainian conflict.

00:23:15.560 My team pointed out to me something very interesting.

00:23:18.420 Trump was at the U.N. in 2018 and looked at the Germans with a warning about Russia.

00:23:26.260 What's interesting in this clip for the listening audience who is now taking in the visual is at the end of it, the German delegation appears to laugh at Trump.

00:23:36.560 They mocked him.

00:23:37.980 We're going to play the sound, but here it is.

00:23:41.320 Germany will become totally dependent on Russian energy if it does not immediately change course.

00:23:49.500 Here in the Western Hemisphere, we are committed to maintaining our independence from the encroachment of expansionist foreign powers. 0.55

00:24:04.720 It has been the formal policy of our country since President Monroe.

00:24:09.740 He goes on.

00:24:11.680 And you can see there's a cutaway shot of the Germans smiling, yucking it up. 0.78

00:24:17.980 No, I mean, and look, first of all, so I did not vote for Trump.

00:24:22.340 I confess I'm a lifelong Democrat.

00:24:25.140 I'm not a Trump person.

00:24:26.900 But Trump was absolutely correct about this.

00:24:30.420 He was prescient.

00:24:31.940 It might have been Trump's finest hour.

00:24:34.400 And you have to remember, Megan, he's warning against Germany.

00:24:39.080 He's saying that Europe is becoming dangerously dependent on Putin at a time that the entire Democratic Party and basically all of the mainstream news media was accusing Trump of being a Biden puppet.

00:24:51.780 I mean, I'm sorry, a Putin puppet.

00:24:53.720 You know, so this company at a moment where where Trump is accused of being a traitor and he's the one that's actually warning them against Putin, you know, and I'll tell you something else.

00:25:05.060 I just I went and looked at the media reaction to that speech back in 2018.

00:25:10.740 And the news media, not only were they dismissive of Trump, they fact checked him, claiming that he was wrong.

00:25:19.740 They were they said Trump was wrong in saying that Europe had become dependent on Russia.

00:25:24.680 I mean, I was like, you couldn't make it up.

00:25:26.580 You know, and I'm talking like this was New York Times, CNN, Washington Post.

00:25:30.400 They all said that Trump was wrong to to point out how dependent Europe had become.

00:25:35.940 You know, here's what I'll say.

00:25:37.080 I'll say if anything, if Trump was wrong about anything, he understated how dependent Europe was.

00:25:42.580 He was actually warning against Europe opening up a second natural gas pipeline from Russia called Nord Stream 2.

00:25:50.640 They didn't even need that second pipeline for Europe to have become totally dependent on on Russia.

00:25:56.580 And that that's because and this is a lesson in economics for all of us, is that you can exert extraordinary control over the global energy economy.

00:26:07.080 With by only controlling a minority of its energy and because in economics, we call this marginal pricing that the price of energy and electricity is determined by natural gas because it's such a heavy influence, even though it's not the majority of where the electricity in Europe comes from.

00:26:25.140 It is. It is. It does determine the price because it's so embedded in so many different industries, not just electricity, but also making glass and steel, as I mentioned.

00:26:36.780 So, yeah, I think that I think that everybody did a disservice to President Trump.

00:26:43.580 And I say this as somebody that was not a fan and but he was absolutely spot on.

00:26:49.640 And I think that they look very good now in historical retrospect.

00:26:53.800 Meanwhile, we're still I mean, as Michael points out in the grips of this, you know, crazed commitment to renewables and renewables only and Europe, too.

00:27:04.440 And Europe is now facing some serious food shortage issues.

00:27:09.020 And what's going to happen to the United States where huge percentages of the American people now cannot pay their electric bills?

00:27:15.640 So, Michael, before we get to the United States and other parts of the world, spend one more minute in Europe and what's happening there, because I know you you you told me something in your sub stack that I did not know.

00:27:33.180 And I felt like I should have known it answering the question.

00:27:36.680 What happens if Russia decides to completely cut off gas supplies to Europe before winter?

00:27:42.840 Now, the Russian situation in Ukraine is one of those very hard to understand situations because there are sort of the, you know, NatCon folks who report on it.

00:27:53.420 And they're very pro, you know, slamming Putin and slamming Russia and putting an end at Putin's aggression.

00:28:00.000 And they report that Ukraine's winning and they're winning and winning and Putin's being devastated.

00:28:05.840 And then there are the folks who are against this war who say, no, Russia's already won.

00:28:08.980 It's just a matter of time before Ukraine surrender.

00:28:10.560 I mean, this is how the news reporting goes.

00:28:12.660 It's one of my frustrations, but in caught up in that is how Putin's doing in the wake of our sanctions and the European sanctions, which were meant to devastate him to the point where he could not pursue this war anymore.

00:28:25.560 Remember, Biden just wait a couple of months and get back to me.

00:28:29.220 Well, you did wait and you actually kept the tally of how he's doing.

00:28:33.040 And my jaw dropped when I read the stats on how he's actually doing when it comes to his oil and gas exports and the money he's taking in from them.

00:28:46.040 So because he's been cut off, he's been cut off by Europe, by us to a large extent.

00:28:51.460 So tell us tell us how bad, quote, air quote, it's gotten for him.

00:28:56.980 Yeah. I mean, and by the way, in terms of the debate, you know, whatever the debate is around who's going to win, Ukraine or Russia.

00:29:04.820 I think that really what matters here is that we can't you can't rely on Russia for your energy.

00:29:10.000 I mean, that I think everybody agrees on, even if you are sympathetic to Putin.

00:29:15.360 And I don't think many people are at this point anymore.

00:29:18.620 He's not a trustworthy business partner because he's been cutting off oil and gas in retaliation for Europe's support for Ukraine.

00:29:26.080 So, look, there's no question in my mind that the West needs to move away from any dependence on Russia or China, for that matter, for their energy, particularly and possibly for other and for sure on other strategic products.

00:29:44.280 I mentioned rare earths earlier, but we do not want to become dependent on totalitarian regimes, which, you know, strengthens them around the world.

00:29:54.740 We want to this is a moment to lean into the West.

00:29:57.540 This is a moment to realize how special our system of liberal democracy and liberal capitalist democracy is.

00:30:05.260 There's a reason everybody wants to live in the United States.

00:30:07.940 There's a reason that we have a border crisis.

00:30:09.740 People want to come here because it's the greatest system that exists, that has existed.

00:30:15.280 So for the over the long term, we need to move away from Russia and China, or I should say in the short and medium term, rather, we need to move away from Russia and China. 0.95

00:30:23.240 Russia has exploited the crisis very well. 0.67

00:30:25.760 I mean, you know, Putin understood something that people in the West had forgotten.

00:30:30.240 Yeah, very well.

00:30:31.400 I mean, he's, you know, look at I mean, natural gas prices are, you know, basically 10x what they were.

00:30:38.900 Right.

00:30:39.780 Just a year ago, Europe.

00:30:42.680 So, you know, it's like we took away.

00:30:45.160 We took away all these purchasers of his product, but we didn't stop to think about what that was going to do to price.

00:30:50.860 And I mean, according to the International Energy Agency, since its invasion in Ukraine, the amount of revenue Russia has collected from exporting oil and gas to Europe has doubled.

00:31:01.780 It's doubled.

00:31:02.400 They say, to put it another way, the increase in Russia's oil and gas export revenues in just the last five months is almost three times what Russia typically makes from exporting gas to Europe over an entire winter.

00:31:15.000 Here, one other thing, per the Center for Research on Energy and Clean Air, soaring prices have more than compensated Russia for the loss in sales volume due to sanctions.

00:31:26.040 It's crazy.

00:31:27.160 He's he's rolling in dough.

00:31:31.380 That's right.

00:31:32.280 Yeah, he's actually been Russia's actually been making more money after the that, you know, after the invasion of Ukraine.

00:31:40.680 And then they're shifting their sales to China and India and other developing economies.

00:31:48.380 And so there's a fantasy idea that Biden is pursuing now.

00:31:52.580 It's absolutely bonkers.

00:31:53.840 But this idea they're pursuing is that they're going to set a price cap on Russian oil.

00:32:01.640 This is being pursued by the Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen.

00:32:04.860 And it's insane because, first of all, nobody's going to go along with it, even if Europe and the United States do it.

00:32:11.440 Russia is not going to go along with a cap on its oil prices.

00:32:15.720 And China and India have said that they're not going to go along with it.

00:32:19.080 So there's these ideas that somehow the United States is going to pressure the shipping insurance companies.

00:32:25.960 It gets very convoluted very quickly.

00:32:28.380 We're we're actually a very interesting moment historically and globally where, you know, these guys, you know, the Biden administration in Europe, they really think that the world is like it was after World War Two, where the United States really controlled much of the world.

00:32:45.100 It's just not like that anymore.

00:32:46.380 You know, China and India and Russia have their own relationships and Russia is using its its abundant oil and gas to basically bribe other countries by selling it to them at significant discounts, bribe other countries to be allied with it and not to stand up to it as the bully that it is.

00:33:06.520 So, you know, Putin understood something that the West didn't, which is that energy is not the same as other commodities.

00:33:11.980 I think there's still a lot of people in the West that think they go, oh, well, there's copper and lithium and nickel and wheat and corn and natural gas and oil.

00:33:23.140 But the last two are unlike the others.

00:33:27.380 The whole economy depends on natural gas and oil.

00:33:30.720 You can go without you can have some temporary shortages of those other products without causing economy wide inflation.

00:33:38.020 You know, Megan, one of the things I think we people don't really appreciate is the extent to which the inflation we've experienced is entirely driven by high energy prices.

00:33:47.580 Now, the flip side of that is that if you can if you create abundant oil and gas by expanding production of oil and gas in the United States and Canada, if they want to help, then you can reduce inflation without having to so-called destroy demand.

00:34:01.940 So there I mean, it's it's kind of amazing when you think about it, because energy is the master resource.

00:34:08.580 It's unlike all other commodities in that it determines the price of so many other commodities.

00:34:14.580 We can produce more oil and gas and we can make significant headway in reducing inflation without having to go into recession.

00:34:22.080 We just won't do it.

00:34:22.920 We just refuse to do it because he's so in the pocket of these renewable companies and the elites within his party who are effectively, as you point out, wage waging war really on the poor, on the working class who don't have the microphones to stand up for themselves and the cheap energy they need.

00:34:40.720 And it looks like natural gas, according to my stats, meets more than one third of the United States energy needs.

00:34:47.980 And and at the same time I read that, I read you tweeting out that 20 million U.S.

00:34:52.320 homes are right now behind in their gas and electricity bills.

00:34:56.260 Twenty million people cannot pay their electric bills at this time.

00:35:01.040 And Joe Biden has the power to make this cheaper for those folks, but he won't.

00:35:06.660 His energy secretary was asked on Fox News about, hey, you know, people can't pay their electric bills.

00:35:13.720 What are you going to do about it?

00:35:14.580 And she basically said you should you should winterize your home.

00:35:17.800 Go ahead and winterize your home and you're going to do a lot better.

00:35:21.900 Yeah, she's like for the for the poor people will swoop in and will will weatherize your house for you if you're really poor. 0.98

00:35:28.360 If you're just slightly better than poor, we'll give you like 30, 30 percent off something.

00:35:33.100 You know, the price of all this stuff.

00:35:34.280 Like this is their plan, but they want you to basically have better insulation so you can pay for your bills.

00:35:40.140 What do you make of that plan?

00:35:42.380 Well, we know that actually Obama did this as part of his stimulus, is that we invested a bunch of money into home weatherization.

00:35:49.200 And we found out that it was not cost effective, that it actually wasted money because you did not save as much money in terms of energy as it costs.

00:35:59.000 Now, that might be slightly different with higher with much higher energy prices, but you have other problems.

00:36:04.480 Like, are we really going to be able to weatherize millions of homes over the next two months?

00:36:08.740 I doubt it.

00:36:10.180 You know, you still have to use energy in order to heat your home.

00:36:13.900 And I think people need to realize far more people die of cold than heat.

00:36:18.720 But this is something that people that really my former colleagues that raised the alarm about climate change, they don't like to talk about.

00:36:26.440 But with, you know, with both warmer temperatures, you know, and with cold, they're both solved with energy.

00:36:34.820 You know, nobody needs to die because you because of high because of heat or of cold.

00:36:41.060 We have solutions called air conditioning and indoor heating, but they depend on having cheap energy.

00:36:47.480 So, yeah, you mentioned the 20 million homes right now that are behind.

00:36:50.760 That number is going to double very quickly as energy prices rise.

00:36:55.040 And you're right.

00:36:55.760 It doesn't need to be like this.

00:36:57.180 I mean, what we're dealing with is I'm calling it a kind of nihilism.

00:37:00.560 There's a real, you know, hatred of civilization.

00:37:04.960 You know, folks that talk about how terrible civil, you know, I always joke, you know, it's like,

00:37:09.400 what a surprise that the people who hate Western civilization turn out to be so lousy at running it.

00:37:16.460 You know, I mean, here they've been saying that how terrible Western civilization is and how terrible the United States is for decades.

00:37:22.620 And then when they get into power, sure enough, they make Western civilization unsustainable.

00:37:27.380 Yeah. Self-fulfilling prophecy.

00:37:29.440 That's right.

00:37:30.160 And it makes sense that they would go after energy because it's the thing that determines everything in the economy.

00:37:36.100 It's sort of the master resource.

00:37:37.740 And so if you can make energy expensive, then that's a quick way to making a lot of people miserable, very, you know, making a lot of people miserable around the world.

00:37:47.040 But Greta Thunberg will feel happy.

00:37:49.140 So there's that.

00:37:50.080 However, people like those living in Sri Lanka are dying. 1.00

00:37:55.120 And, you know, there's been an overthrow of the government there.

00:37:57.580 I know you did something on these Dutch farmers. 1.00

00:37:59.760 And I realize that to most folks here, it's like the Netherlands.

00:38:02.920 I've joked before about how the whole thing confuses me.

00:38:05.860 My husband, he's Dutch.

00:38:08.500 And it's like the Netherlands, it's the same thing as Amsterdam.

00:38:11.820 Well, why?

00:38:12.700 Why is it the same thing?

00:38:13.980 Like, why is there a the before the Netherlands?

00:38:16.500 Why aren't they called Netherlandian?

00:38:18.380 Why are they called Dutch?

00:38:19.220 Anyway, that's my own side thing.

00:38:20.520 But my point is, what's happening with the farmers there actually is relevant to what we're dealing with when it comes to our government policy.

00:38:28.500 Before I play your soundbite, because you interviewed a Dutch farmer, it was really good.

00:38:32.380 Can you just explain to the audience why?

00:38:34.300 Why should they care about what's happening with Dutch farmers, you know, over here? 1.00

00:38:38.540 Why does our audience care?

00:38:41.240 Well, just as a reminder, you know, Netherlands, you know, as you mentioned, is a country that we're very close to in Europe.

00:38:46.880 It's been a very good ally of ours.

00:38:48.500 They have the they they are the second largest agricultural exporter by value, by economics, not by weight, but by the amount of money they make.

00:39:01.100 So it's been a huge part of their economy.

00:39:02.660 And we're talking flowers and seeds and meat that they export around the world, including, you know, much of Europe.

00:39:09.400 And so the government has, you know, the farmers, what I point out, in which the New York Times did not decide to mention in its own story that came after mine, but the farmers had been reducing the amount of nitrogen pollution that comes from the farms.

00:39:27.040 They had been successful in doing that through technological innovation.

00:39:30.280 We're really talking about manure management here, Megan, by the way.

00:39:33.640 This is just about managing the manure that comes from the livestock so that it doesn't create a lot of nitrogen pollution,

00:39:40.240 which can hurt some of the nature conservation areas.

00:39:44.640 But then the government has now come along and is proposing really drastic measures that would basically reduce the amount of livestock by somewhere between one third and a half.

00:39:55.620 And it's just a kind of extremism.

00:39:58.820 There's no other way to describe it.

00:40:00.840 It's unreasonable.

00:40:02.380 The farmers are on the right side here.

00:40:04.660 They've really captured the support of the public.

00:40:07.300 You know, even Mick Jagger performed in Amsterdam a few weeks ago and gave a shout out to the farmers.

00:40:13.040 So the farmers, you know, to their great credit, have stood up for themselves.

00:40:17.640 And they've been having protests and blocking highways.

00:40:21.020 Some of them, of course, go too far, as protesters will do.

00:40:24.940 But for the most part, the farmers are on the right side here in demanding technical innovation solutions as the way to reduce pollution,

00:40:34.940 not just, you know, reducing the size of your livestock herds by a third to half,

00:40:40.940 which would devastate farmers and put many farmers out of business.

00:40:43.940 And Megan, as you know, you know, farming is a way of life.

00:40:46.680 It's not just a job for these guys.

00:40:48.620 There's a lot of, you know, you're working 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

00:40:52.740 My mom's family comes from farming.

00:40:55.120 It's really hard work, but they do it because they love it and they love the animals.

00:40:58.940 And so I don't know what clip you're going to show.

00:41:00.580 But, you know, when I would ask the farmers, the Dutch farmers, and these are these huge guys, you know,

00:41:05.820 they're like everyone's like really tall.

00:41:09.140 They're really well fed over many years.

00:41:12.420 Why they loved farming, they would get choked up and they would almost start to cry because...

00:41:18.340 Stand by.

00:41:19.420 Okay.

00:41:19.900 We have that.

00:41:20.560 We've got a little clip of you interviewing one of these guys.

00:41:23.580 And just to get into it, I mean, well, as you talk about the reduction in livestock, this is AOC's dream.

00:41:27.780 I mean, this is Green New Deal stuff.

00:41:29.320 This is what, this is her dream of getting rid of all nitrogen, all farming. 0.73

00:41:35.340 Farmers in the Netherlands, this is from your substack, reduced nitrogen pollution, so our audience knows, by nearly 70%.

00:41:41.160 The government said that's not good enough.

00:41:43.420 They're demanding they cut pollution by another 50%, another 50% by 2030.

00:41:49.240 By the Dutch government's own estimates, that means 11,200 farms out of the roughly 35,000 that are dedicated to dairy and livestock would have to close.

00:42:00.160 17,600 farmers would have to reduce livestock.

00:42:04.300 And total livestock would need to be reduced by one half to one third.

00:42:09.120 The Dutch government has demanded that animal farming stop entirely in many places.

00:42:15.080 This is what has led to the fierce backlash among the Dutch farmers, some of whom spoke with Michael.

00:42:21.320 Here's one soundbite.

00:42:22.120 I know the families of my cows better than I do with my own family.

00:42:27.300 You know, when we talk about that cow, I can tell you about his mother, his grandmother, his great-grandmother, and I can picture them in my head.

00:42:35.320 So it's, yeah, I can't explain.

00:42:38.420 It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's deep.

00:42:47.640 You love them.

00:42:49.720 Yes, it's, it's just deep.

00:42:51.260 It's, yeah.

00:42:53.400 It's your whole life. 0.97

00:42:56.900 And, and you can see, you know, I hate fucking crying for a camera, but it happens. 0.93

00:43:01.060 It's, it's, it's, there's emotional value about it. 0.97

00:43:03.520 You know, a farmer isn't a farmer for money.

00:43:06.380 It's, it's, it's the way of life.

00:43:08.400 It's not appreciated anymore because modern people, especially in the city, you know, the only thing they care about is five o'clock in the afternoon, go to the supermarket and they grab their food for their day.

00:43:18.540 You don't have to milk cows.

00:43:19.880 You don't have to slaughter your pigs. 1.00

00:43:22.640 The fucking whole world is in crisis. 1.00

00:43:24.600 Ukraine. 0.99

00:43:26.720 Franz Timmermans from the EU says he wants to have Europe 25% organic farming.

00:43:33.520 Well, it's only causing hunger for 30 million people.

00:43:37.740 That's the thing.

00:43:38.720 So it makes the, it makes the climate activists feel good for a moment, but people will starve as a result of these policies.

00:43:46.120 I mean, it's, I still find myself very moved when I, when I see that, I mean, I mean, you're talking about what's going on here in the name of climate change is a war on the productive sectors of our economy.

00:44:00.860 I mean, these are the people that produce our food.

00:44:03.720 These are the people that produce our electricity.

00:44:05.960 These are the people that produce the natural gas that we heat and cook with.

00:44:10.240 What are we doing here?

00:44:11.820 I mean, it's like, if you were just to arrive on the scene from another planet, you'd be like, why are you trying to destroy the livelihoods of the people who make your lives possible?

00:44:23.600 That's what I mean by nihilism.

00:44:26.640 It's at a certain point, it's without rhyme or reason, you know, it's a kind of extremism.

00:44:32.740 It's a kind of religious radicalism.

00:44:37.580 It's obviously self-defeating.

00:44:39.660 I mean, I think people are looking at Greta Thunberg in a new light.

00:44:43.240 They're looking at Al Gore and John Kerry in a new light.

00:44:47.200 I mean, what are we, these are the, some of the most privileged, wealthiest people in the world and, or AOC you mentioned, and here they are, you know, these are people that have never, you know, produced food.

00:44:59.380 These are people that have never produced energy, electricity, and here they are attempting to really put down and, you know, tax and regulate out of existence these people that, that they depend on.

00:45:15.440 It's, I don't know.

00:45:16.360 I think it's a kind of collective madness.

00:45:17.880 I don't know any other way to describe it.

00:45:19.360 I think about Prince Harry, who was lecturing us all about climate change at the UN and elsewhere, as he, of course, flies around on his private jets and the news broke late last week.

00:45:30.540 He, he made his private jet sit and just idle waiting for him because for 20 minutes to get his polo gear boarded, he had forgotten it onto the plate.

00:45:41.120 I mean, like that's who's lecturing us about climate change while this guy's farm is getting shut down as he's trying to put food on our table.

00:45:49.820 You know, Prince Harry is never going to have to worry about eating well at his mansion in Montecito, but that guy actually has to put food, not just on his own table, but on yours and mine and the citizens of the Netherlands and elsewhere.

00:46:03.920 I mock because I truly don't understand the situation there, but it's alarming and it's spreading, right?

00:46:11.360 It's spreading.

00:46:11.940 It's here.

00:46:12.420 It's in Europe.

00:46:13.220 It's in the Netherlands.

00:46:14.260 It's in.

00:46:15.080 And by the way, places like Sri Lanka.

00:46:16.720 So we have we can see where this road goes, Michael, but we don't seem to care.

00:46:21.060 That's right, Megan.

00:46:21.720 And I think the only thing I can say to silver lining here is that I think we're up for a period of significant change.

00:46:28.100 I think that this is the energy and food crises are a wake up call.

00:46:31.080 Um, we're going to have a lot of pain and suffering over the next several weeks and months, but I do think it's a chance for us to reorient ourselves and start to appreciate this remarkable civilization we've created for ourselves.

00:46:42.780 It needs to be defended.

00:46:44.260 Um, it turns out, you know, from ourselves or from other people in our society.

00:46:49.780 And I'll leave the audience with this.

00:46:51.880 Okay.

00:46:52.380 This is from you.

00:46:55.100 Nuclear power is the safest way to make electricity.

00:46:58.980 We know that about 200 people have died directly or over time from Chernobyl that contrasted the 6 million deaths from air pollution every year.

00:47:11.300 That's amazing.

00:47:12.760 People need to keep that in mind.

00:47:14.520 Nobody died from the radiation after Fukushima.

00:47:16.760 You point out that many people died from the panic and the real relocation.

00:47:20.440 Nuclear is absolutely one of the greatest tools in our arsenal.

00:47:24.260 If only we would use it.

00:47:26.660 Michael.

00:47:27.340 So great talking to you again.

00:47:28.420 Come back again soon.

00:47:30.120 Thanks, Megan.

00:47:30.860 Great to be with you.

00:47:32.260 All right.

00:47:32.680 And coming up, we're going to have some more guests.

00:47:34.680 We're going to get into the Trump raid in the very latest.

00:47:41.160 There are so many stories to get to.

00:47:42.980 We have got just the guests to go through them all.

00:47:46.360 We know a little more about the Trump raid.

00:47:49.120 Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg talking Hunter Biden with Joe Rogan.

00:47:52.640 And Meghan Markle has found herself shockingly on the cover of a new magazine.

00:47:57.980 Remember how she didn't want publicity?

00:48:00.060 Turns out that may may not have been entirely true.

00:48:03.780 Back with me now are two of my favorites.

00:48:06.380 They're both EJs. 0.97

00:48:07.700 Emily Jashinsky, culture editor for The Federalist.

00:48:10.480 And Eliana Johnson, editor in chief of the Washington Free Beacon.

00:48:14.540 I like that.

00:48:15.140 The EJs. 0.95

00:48:16.140 Great to have you here, ladies. 0.97

00:48:17.080 How are you?

00:48:18.120 Good.

00:48:18.520 Can I tell you, I looked at the revelations from the affidavit and I looked and I looked

00:48:26.700 more and I was like, look over there, something shiny.

00:48:32.040 I really need to do my laundry later.

00:48:35.060 I'm waiting for the big like, oh, I just didn't see it.

00:48:39.060 I just didn't see it.

00:48:40.360 I mean, like some people are saying like, oh, yeah, he could be indicted.

00:48:43.040 I saw Alan Dershowitz said that.

00:48:44.920 OK, of course, you wouldn't have gotten a search warrant if you weren't close.

00:48:48.520 To potentially being indicted.

00:48:50.680 I mean, of course, the feds can style anything they want to kind of ignores the fact that

00:48:55.580 he's the president holding all these documents.

00:48:57.500 He's the former president holding all these documents.

00:48:59.300 But I really did not see the smoking gun in here.

00:49:01.360 I'm open minded to smoking guns.

00:49:03.080 Did not see it.

00:49:04.580 Am I missing something?

00:49:06.240 I had the same reaction as you.

00:49:09.060 And I'm still sitting here with the feeling, Megan, that there is a lot we don't know.

00:49:14.880 I don't think the lack of a smoking gun in this affidavit means that there isn't one.

00:49:20.860 But certainly we don't know that there is one yet.

00:49:25.340 There's just a whole lot of unknown left.

00:49:29.320 Certainly, Merrick Garland and the Justice Department have not come forward with an open

00:49:35.040 and shut case yet.

00:49:36.780 And I do think that if they're going to indict this president, like they have got to have

00:49:41.380 that.

00:49:41.700 They cannot leave 50 percent of the American public feeling like some grave injustice was

00:49:47.760 done to the former president.

00:49:49.540 And on the other hand, we can essentially we cannot have Russiagate 2.0.

00:49:56.300 What?

00:49:56.940 I mean, people are going to have a redo of this.

00:49:59.000 They have got to have an open and shut case.

00:50:01.120 And I think we still don't know, like, do they have that or not?

00:50:04.440 Anything short of Trump was selling our nuclear secrets is going to be insufficient.

00:50:09.120 That Trump was clumsy with documents, that Trump didn't follow some procedure, which even

00:50:14.400 my most respected legal experts cannot show me, cannot set forth as the clear and convincing

00:50:20.480 three point bullet point list.

00:50:22.100 One must follow as president to sufficiently declassify that.

00:50:26.800 He didn't do that imaginary procedure perfectly is not going to justify prosecuting this guy

00:50:34.120 in the minds of anyone who's not on the hard left in the country.

00:50:38.460 Am I wrong, Emily?

00:50:39.920 No.

00:50:40.440 And Eliana is completely accurate that we don't.

00:50:43.720 There's still so much we don't know.

00:50:45.500 But here's why exactly to your point, Megan.

00:50:47.680 I think increasingly we should be pretty confident that we're heading into a Russiagate 2.0.

00:50:53.220 And whether it ever catches the traction is a different question.

00:50:55.660 They're doing this right before a midterm election as we head into the fall and continuing

00:50:59.900 to do the leaking to some of the exact same reporters, some of the exact same newspapers

00:51:05.360 with the exact same nonsense innuendo that they did in the early days of the Russia collusion

00:51:10.460 hoax as they were building it.

00:51:12.200 And we're seeing it again, innuendo about nuclear secrets, innuendo about the Espionage

00:51:17.300 Act.

00:51:17.760 And there's nobody coming out and saying, you know, there's we're pretty confident we have

00:51:22.060 this smoking gun here.

00:51:23.900 You know, none of the leaks are alluding to any real substance.

00:51:28.300 It's just continually the same type of thing that we saw throughout the Russia collusion

00:51:32.960 hoax, which I mean, I completely agree.

00:51:35.380 That's basically opaque.

00:51:36.740 We have no idea if there is a smoking gun.

00:51:39.720 But I'm increasingly much less inclined to believe there is specifically because of the

00:51:44.860 pattern of leaks, because of the innuendo, because of what they are saying, what they aren't

00:51:48.820 saying, what's in the affidavit is the same type of stuff.

00:51:52.420 And so I really think they're trying to do a drip, drip, drip.

00:51:55.480 They're going to do more January 6 hearings in the fall, probably.

00:51:58.180 And it just forces Republican candidates to talk about Trump overreach of inflation.

00:52:02.820 And yes, that's exactly it.

00:52:04.540 They got Trump back in the news.

00:52:05.720 And sure enough, Republicans fell on the generic congressional ballot.

00:52:10.180 But they there's nothing in this heavily redacted affidavit that says anything about nuclear

00:52:14.540 secrets, by the way, which was leaked to The Washington Post by the DOJ, which after Merrick

00:52:19.120 Garland tried to pretend he was on the high road and really wasn't going to say much, he

00:52:22.760 ran to his favorite reporter and leaked that this is about nuclear secrets, which so far

00:52:26.860 has been totally unsubstantiated.

00:52:28.560 But what we're seeing is they're pissed off that Trump had documents he shouldn't have

00:52:32.140 had.

00:52:32.360 I'm sorry, but good luck trying to make that case for criminal prosecution in the mind of

00:52:36.780 any fairer American.

00:52:38.520 He's the former president.

00:52:39.560 We've never gone after criminally a former president, not even Richard Nixon.

00:52:43.240 OK, that you're going to tell me we should go after Donald Trump because they're talking

00:52:46.900 about indicting the guy.

00:52:48.300 We're going to go after Donald Trump like that after having done something totally unprecedented

00:52:51.780 and raiding his home, his private home to get documents.

00:52:54.500 He looks like maybe in the best case scenario for Merrick Garland, he shouldn't have had.

00:52:58.460 I've had lots of lawyers on the show, including Mike Davis last week, who said he had every

00:53:02.320 right to have every single one of those.

00:53:03.780 He could declassify anything that was classified.

00:53:05.640 The Presidential Records Act is not a criminal statute, doesn't prevent him from taking his documents.

00:53:10.580 And so like so we went down the list.

00:53:12.000 Anyway, my point is, let's say he was sloppy.

00:53:15.040 Sloppiness is not going to do it.

00:53:17.780 And Merrick Garland is out on a thin read right now and is trying to keep his balance

00:53:23.220 through complicit reporting.

00:53:26.680 Eliana, you're editor in chief of The Washington Free Beacon.

00:53:29.540 Do you see it?

00:53:30.300 I mean, The New York Times every day.

00:53:32.500 The Daily does another podcast on how justified he was.

00:53:35.720 And oh, let's talk about all the investigations against Trump that are going to bring him down

00:53:39.400 too.

00:53:40.660 Yeah, I think there are two different things.

00:53:43.720 It's what is the Justice Department actually have?

00:53:47.000 And I think for the Justice Department and Merrick Garland, politically, they have to have like

00:53:52.520 Trump was endangering lives.

00:53:54.660 He was endangering sources and methods of intelligence collection here.

00:53:59.220 Or or or as you alluded to, like he had nuclear nuclear secrets, things that were endangering

00:54:06.720 the national security of the United States.

00:54:09.060 The second bucket here is the reporting.

00:54:11.480 And I think what we're seeing in the reporting and this is a guess.

00:54:14.360 I don't know.

00:54:15.140 But it is the triumph of hope over experience.

00:54:18.400 We had four years of reporting on every leak out of that Russia investigation, indicating

00:54:24.900 that we've got the thing that's going to take Trump down.

00:54:28.280 First, it was the Russian investigation.

00:54:29.700 And now it's all these investigations of Trump's businesses or this Garland investigate, this

00:54:36.500 Justice Department investigation.

00:54:37.840 And there isn't really any there doesn't seem to be any like learning in the reporting

00:54:44.120 that, you know, guys like they may not actually have the smoking gun.

00:54:48.600 And in fact, a lot of these investigations like just maybe maybe politically motivated as

00:54:55.020 opposed to substantively motivated.

00:54:57.200 I think we've seen of it.

00:54:58.740 I think we've seen something sad and frightening, which is that our law enforcement and justice

00:55:05.740 officials at the FBI and the Department of Justice, they do act out of political motivation

00:55:10.900 and they do wield their their power as a as a brick bat against their political opponents.

00:55:17.580 And that doesn't seem to be really surfacing in a lot of the reporting about this in terms

00:55:22.940 of the caution with which we are are getting like we aren't seeing a lot of like that sort

00:55:28.300 of caution in the reporting.

00:55:30.640 OK, now, speaking of the FBI and the media, a good segue into what happened on Joe Rogan's

00:55:35.560 show last week.

00:55:36.680 So this is fascinating to me from a couple of angles.

00:55:40.260 Mark Zuckerberg, of course, the founder and CEO of Meta, which owns Facebook, went on Joe

00:55:46.680 Rogan's show and admitted that Facebook in part suppressed circulation of the Hunter Biden

00:55:52.760 laptop story right before the last presidential election, that they didn't ban it entirely the

00:55:58.860 way Twitter did, but that they suppressed it and wouldn't allow it to be sort of pushed

00:56:03.440 into people's feeds the way they might another story.

00:56:06.620 And he admitted this is because the FBI had gone to Facebook and other social media companies

00:56:12.140 and said, beware, the Russians are likely at it again.

00:56:17.020 They definitely pushed disinformation in 2016 and were expecting another dump.

00:56:23.940 And this is how he explained it to Joe.

00:56:26.080 And then I'll make my second point.

00:56:27.580 So here's here's what he said to Joe Rogan.

00:56:29.340 Watch.

00:56:30.740 So we took a different path than Twitter.

00:56:33.700 I mean, basically, the background here is the FBI, I think, basically came to us, some

00:56:38.900 folks on our team.

00:56:39.900 I was like, hey, just so you know, like you should be on high alert.

00:56:43.880 There was we thought there was a lot of Russian propaganda in the 2016 election.

00:56:48.600 We have it on notice that basically there's about to be some kind of dump of that's similar

00:56:57.640 to that.

00:56:58.360 So just be vigilant.

00:56:59.700 So our protocol is different from Twitter's.

00:57:02.120 What Twitter did is they said, you can't share this at all.

00:57:05.480 We didn't do that.

00:57:06.860 What we do is we have if something is reported to us as potentially misinformation, important

00:57:14.140 misinformation, we also have this third party fact checking program because we don't want

00:57:18.140 to be deciding what's true and false.

00:57:20.140 And for the I think it was five or seven days when it was basically being being determined

00:57:27.980 whether it was false, the distribution on Facebook was decreased, but people were still

00:57:35.160 allowed to share it.

00:57:35.960 So you could still share it.

00:57:37.180 You could still consume it.

00:57:38.680 So I say the distribution is decreased.

00:57:40.940 It got shared.

00:57:41.820 How does that work?

00:57:42.460 Basically, the ranking in newsfeed was a little bit less.

00:57:45.360 So fewer people saw it than would have otherwise.

00:57:48.480 So it definitely by what percentage?

00:57:51.080 I don't know off the top of my head, but it's it's it's meaningful.

00:57:55.520 OK, so people on the right were very agitated over this because he's admitting that they

00:58:02.040 suppressed the Hunter Biden story after the FBI went to them after the FBI went to them.

00:58:07.440 And it just, you know, the FBI is having a rough couple of years.

00:58:10.760 And this is just yet another piece of that story.

00:58:14.780 But Zuckerberg and Facebook came out to say this is old news.

00:58:20.320 This wasn't news at all.

00:58:22.520 Mark Zuckerberg said basically exactly this in open congressional testimony in October of

00:58:29.880 2020 to Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, which is so fun to say.

00:58:34.240 I just want to say, again, Ron Johnson of Wisconsin.

00:58:37.460 So watch.

00:58:38.480 So we queued it up to see to let you guys in the audience decide for themselves whether

00:58:43.360 he already had disclosed this a couple of years ago.

00:58:46.380 Listen.

00:58:48.620 Senator, as I testified before, we relied heavily on the FBI's intelligence and alerts to us,

00:58:57.540 both through their public testimony and private briefings and alerts they gave us.

00:59:02.420 Did the FBI contact you and say the New York Post story was false?

00:59:07.060 Senator, not about that story specifically.

00:59:09.680 Why did you throttle it back?

00:59:13.480 They alerted us of a to be on heightened alert around a risk of hack and leak operations around

00:59:20.500 a release of information and to be clear on this, we didn't censor the content.

00:59:28.200 We flagged it for fact checkers to review.

00:59:30.980 And pending that review, we temporarily constrained its distribution to make sure that it didn't

00:59:36.740 spread wildly while it was being reviewed.

00:59:40.700 But it's not up to us either to determine whether it's Russian interference nor whether it's true.

00:59:47.280 We rely on the FBI and intelligence and fact checkers to do that.

00:59:51.680 OK, so my takeaway is Mark Zuckerberg did disclose this.

00:59:55.820 He disclosed it publicly in October 2020.

00:59:59.100 But we were busy and, you know, we were having a presidential election and it didn't get a lot of

01:00:04.900 circulation with respect to Joe Rogan.

01:00:07.880 I don't think he actually did break this news.

01:00:09.540 I think this news broke a couple of years ago and we were just drowning in a tsunami of presidential

01:00:14.600 and Trump and related news.

01:00:16.160 We didn't pay close enough attention.

01:00:18.340 It's not a new black eye for the FBI.

01:00:20.300 It's an old black eye for the FBI and Facebook, because now we know for sure that that was not

01:00:26.400 Russian disinformation, that that laptop was real, that Hunter Biden did all those terrible

01:00:30.500 things according to himself.

01:00:32.520 And the media just wasn't interested and they decided to suppress.

01:00:36.060 Nonetheless, the story remains the same.

01:00:38.580 The FBI went to social media companies like Facebook and tried to get them to not publish

01:00:44.380 or not promote articles like the one about Hunter Biden.

01:00:49.120 They claim to protect, you know, the electoral process and to prevent disinformation from getting

01:00:54.620 out there in the wake of all that's happened.

01:00:56.840 Gals, a lot of Americans have a tough time believing that was the true motivation.

01:01:02.060 What do you make of it?

01:01:02.860 They laundered their credibility for partisan purposes.

01:01:06.420 And I think it's also important to remember this was in the context of a letter that about 50 former

01:01:10.800 intelligence people, many of whom we know should be treated with the utmost skepticism,

01:01:16.160 sent a letter immediately saying that the laptop story looked like Russian disinformation.

01:01:22.280 So the FBI didn't need to go back to Zuckerberg and say, hey, this laptop story specifically,

01:01:28.680 you need to suppress it because they did it in public with that letter.

01:01:32.540 They had already, you know, set that set that sort of tone and said, watch out for Russian 1.00

01:01:36.960 disinformation.

01:01:37.620 And then when the laptop story dropped, all they had to do was release that thing publicly.

01:01:42.360 And so it is a stunning level of coordination from all of our institutions because the media

01:01:47.860 essentially blacked out that story as well.

01:01:50.000 The New York Post ran it and all of these other outlets, major outlets that had run with

01:01:54.420 nonsense leaks that in a better era would have been treated with the utmost skepticism

01:01:59.480 coming from the intelligence community.

01:02:01.940 We see this time and again, the media and the intelligence community have like the coziest

01:02:05.820 relationship in the world.

01:02:07.620 They took this stuff and they did nothing with it.

01:02:10.720 And so you had coordination between the Biden campaign, the intelligence community, the entire

01:02:16.860 social media, basically atmosphere or all social media platforms.

01:02:21.000 And it's incredible to sit back and watch and look.

01:02:25.000 And I think the reason, Megan, you're right, that that Joe Rogan clip is super viral right

01:02:29.380 now is because it's not in the fray.

01:02:31.720 It's a couple of years later and people have that that sort of hindsight being 2020.

01:02:36.040 And when you look at it from the 30,000 foot view and see the forest for the trees is just

01:02:40.100 so anti-American.

01:02:41.720 It's shocking.

01:02:42.140 It's a slower news cycle right now, so people have the attention to give to it.

01:02:46.220 And it's a reminder on the heels of the Mar-a-Lago raid about the FBI and what it's done in the

01:02:51.860 past.

01:02:52.240 And it comes at an unfortunate moment for the FBI.

01:02:54.620 But too bad.

01:02:55.560 Nobody feels sorry for them.

01:02:57.900 This, you know, and I have real questions, Eliana, about whether the warning to social media

01:03:02.880 companies back then, was earnest about the Russian thing.

01:03:09.620 You know what I mean?

01:03:10.020 Like they they can tell when a story is pushed by Russian bots.

01:03:14.540 They can they know when it's originated with the Russians and when it hasn't. 0.99

01:03:18.740 And let's not forget, the FBI had the damn laptop anyway. 0.96

01:03:22.920 They knew at the time that this was being pushed as like potential disinformation that it was 0.99

01:03:27.140 hunters. 1.00

01:03:27.600 They fucking knew. 0.99

01:03:28.440 Sorry, they knew they had gotten it from the blind guy who was repairing it. 0.99

01:03:33.580 And there was nothing in there that was not consistent with Hunter's behavior or the FBI's 0.94

01:03:38.100 own investigations of Hunter and the guns and the drugs and all that shit. 0.82

01:03:41.760 That's the context for them going to Facebook and saying, watch it. 0.69

01:03:46.300 And then, as Emily accurately points out, all these intelligence officials get together

01:03:51.080 and drop the second bomb, which is we all think it's disinformation, which they didn't

01:03:55.840 either.

01:03:56.580 They didn't.

01:03:57.100 I don't think that was in good faith either.

01:03:58.840 So it's been a long campaign, in my view, of of them pushing disinformation on us.

01:04:07.960 I'm with you on all of that, Megan.

01:04:09.780 And I think the icing on the cake is in former intelligence officials and media personalities

01:04:16.120 coming out now in the wake of the FBI's raid on Mar-a-Lago.

01:04:19.520 And and their line is thou shalt not question the integrity of law enforcement officials.

01:04:25.120 Merrick Garland said that in his press conference.

01:04:27.220 And, you know, my reaction is, I'm sorry, but you guys have given us a whole lot of reasons

01:04:32.460 to question the integrity of law enforcement officials.

01:04:34.920 And in this case, until demonstrated otherwise, I'm going to question the integrity of law enforcement

01:04:41.920 officials.

01:04:43.080 They're interviewing Andrew McCabe, who's admitted to lying.

01:04:46.380 I was unbelievable.

01:04:46.880 And Peter Strzok.

01:04:47.500 Another thing that struck me in the side by side of those two clips, which is which is

01:04:53.820 a little bit far afield, but it I do think it's relevant to how we get our information

01:04:58.520 is Congress.

01:05:01.160 It doesn't surprise me at all that that everybody missed it when this came out in congressional

01:05:05.540 testimony where Ron Johnson is talking over Zuckerberg the entire time where he's trying

01:05:10.840 to make a point like that is just not conducive to an exchange of information and getting information

01:05:17.540 out to people like, no, I'm not surprised that, you know, probably two people tuned into that

01:05:22.540 hearing.

01:05:22.840 And then Joe Rogan, you know, a couple of years later, actually lets the guy talk.

01:05:28.460 And wow, the entire thing goes viral.

01:05:32.000 And I, you know, in all of this, like, I really don't blame Facebook.

01:05:35.240 Facebook had spent the four years of the Trump administration in the crosshairs of everybody

01:05:40.560 accused of purveying Russian disinformation.

01:05:44.260 So, yeah, when they get a warning from the FBI that says, like, hey, once again, you know,

01:05:48.660 you guys are in the middle of a Russian disinformation campaign.

01:05:52.280 I don't blame them for what they did.

01:05:54.320 I fully and wholeheartedly blame the FBI and the media for this.

01:05:59.460 And it would be nice separately if in some of our congressional hearings, lawmakers spent

01:06:04.520 a little bit less time talking and more time letting their, you know, the interesting people

01:06:10.060 they have in front of them, like Mark Zuckerberg, actually talk because they say interesting things.

01:06:16.280 Yeah, actually speak.

01:06:18.260 I mean, I'd love to go back and take a look at the entire testimony.

01:06:20.880 I haven't done that yet, but he appeared to want to tell us the full story.

01:06:25.160 If for the interruptions, we would have heard it a little bit more clearly.

01:06:29.180 But so I give I as a fact checker, give Mark Zuckerberg a true I give him a true on I've

01:06:36.700 already disclosed this.

01:06:38.400 And but I I and I give Joe Rogan a thumbs up for raising it again.

01:06:42.180 But I have to give Ron Johnson kind of a medium thumb.

01:06:45.780 You were you got the information, but if you would just been quiet, you know, a horizontal 0.92

01:06:50.480 thumb, that's what now it's now it's getting X rated.

01:06:53.160 OK, sorry, I'm in a mood today, ladies. 0.95

01:06:59.460 So let's talk about just for one more moment for a move off of Trump and this whole thing.

01:07:04.860 He Biden was asked about Trump and his claims that he declassified all the documents.

01:07:09.280 Right.

01:07:09.400 That's what Trump's been saying.

01:07:10.720 He had sort of a standing order.

01:07:12.320 Everything that he sent to Mar-a-Lago would be declassified.

01:07:14.700 And that may or may not save him on all of this, by the way, because there's a separate

01:07:17.780 thing about whether he should have had the records at all, even the unclassified ones.

01:07:21.020 But Biden's weighed in on this over the past day or two.

01:07:25.340 And here is what he said.

01:07:26.780 This is SOT 5.

01:07:31.520 Trump said that he declassified all these documents.

01:07:34.140 Did he have just declassified them all?

01:07:36.640 Well, I just want to know.

01:07:37.800 I've declassified everything in the world.

01:07:39.660 I'm president.

01:07:40.380 I can do it all.

01:07:41.200 Come on.

01:07:43.420 I'm not going to comment on because I don't know the detail.

01:07:45.900 I don't even want to know.

01:07:46.980 I'll let the Justice Department take that.

01:07:48.560 He doesn't know anything.

01:07:51.700 Now, this is a continuation of what he's been saying all along when it comes to Mar-a-Lago.

01:07:56.280 He's like, what is it, Sergeant Schultz?

01:07:58.500 I know that you guys are too young to know that.

01:08:00.500 It's a Hogan here, Hogan's Heroes reference.

01:08:02.400 But I think it was Sergeant Schultz.

01:08:03.840 I know nothing.

01:08:04.680 I know nothing.

01:08:07.020 But it did emerge last week in that John Solomon reporting, who's, you know, a right

01:08:11.160 right wing guy who does a lot of breaks, a lot of news from Trump, that the Biden administration,

01:08:16.940 the White House was involved in this whole thing against Trump long before the raid, that

01:08:22.540 they couldn't have even opened the grand jury proceeding without the White House having

01:08:27.040 to weigh in.

01:08:27.800 And the FBI couldn't have taken a look at those 15 boxes Trump sent back if the White House

01:08:32.460 hadn't said it was OK.

01:08:33.380 There was all sorts of procedures that the White House had to had to bless when the grand

01:08:38.300 jury got started against Trump.

01:08:40.680 And so when Biden said to us repeatedly had nothing, no warning about the raid, I knew

01:08:45.040 nothing.

01:08:45.680 That was only half the story.

01:08:47.420 He's been misleading from the get go on this, Emily.

01:08:51.420 Yeah, no, he absolutely has.

01:08:52.840 And that's why, again, when people ask what show is most like Washington, D.C., is it West

01:08:57.240 Wing, is it House of Cards?

01:08:58.980 It's it's exactly Veep.

01:09:00.560 And what you see here is them stumbling around legalese to try to avoid admitting to what

01:09:06.140 likely happened, which is that it's almost impossible.

01:09:08.820 And as soon as the news broke, I think anybody knew it was almost impossible that the White 1.00

01:09:13.020 House had absolutely nothing to do with this, that the Justice Department was just acting

01:09:17.480 of its own accord in pursuit of virtue. 0.95

01:09:19.640 It's just absolutely ridiculous.

01:09:21.040 And I think the more they are pressed to answer those questions, I mean, we'll see how 0.95

01:09:25.180 much the media presses them to answer those questions.

01:09:27.360 And that's a huge question in and of itself to the conversation we were just having.

01:09:31.120 But the more that they're pressed to answer those questions, the more they're going to

01:09:34.580 look like they were intentionally kind of misleading the public because I suspect they were legally

01:09:40.320 very careful about these things. 0.99

01:09:42.180 But in a way that when you are pushed enough, you're going to look a little foolish.

01:09:46.740 They just ran with what he said last week, which was, no, I knew nothing about the raid.

01:09:51.480 It's like, OK, there could be a follow up.

01:09:53.560 But he said it was he was leaving the room.

01:09:54.960 But like if we had a good media, they would ask a follow up question.

01:09:57.500 Well, like, well, what specifically did you approve in the process leading up to the raid?

01:10:01.040 Did you know about the grand jury investigation?

01:10:02.900 Did you bless the FBI taking a look at presidential documents?

01:10:05.660 Did you call President Trump before you did that?

01:10:07.520 There's all sorts of things we'd like to know.

01:10:09.560 But yeah, he won't make himself available.

01:10:11.460 Meantime, he has changed his, well, maybe not changed, but sort of amplified an earlier

01:10:17.240 message about Trump and Trump's voters and who they are in discussing them as semi-fascists.

01:10:26.680 Eliana, I don't he was asked about why he suggested that MAGA Republicans are semi-fascists.

01:10:34.600 And here's what he said.

01:10:35.780 This is soundbite six.

01:10:38.200 What do you mean by semi-fascism?

01:10:39.920 You know what I mean.

01:10:44.020 Oh, do we?

01:10:45.480 Well, his press secretary was asked about it to expand because we don't exactly know.

01:10:51.520 And do we have it, Steve?

01:10:54.060 Yeah, we got it.

01:10:55.080 Here's what she said.

01:10:56.380 I was very clear when when laying out and defining what, you know, MAGA Republicans have done.

01:11:05.800 And you look at the definition of fascism and you think about what they're doing in attacking

01:11:12.200 our democracy, what they're doing in taking away our freedoms, taking away, wanting to

01:11:18.580 take away our rights, our voting rights.

01:11:20.760 I mean, that is what that is.

01:11:22.960 It is very clear.

01:11:24.240 And that's why he made that that that powerful speech that you heard from him last night.

01:11:31.260 And he has not shied away from saying that you have heard him maybe not use that specific

01:11:37.220 word, but you have heard him certainly use that definition.

01:11:40.940 I mean, OK, so the Republicans are taking away our rights and taking away our voting rights.

01:11:49.080 That's really what she said there.

01:11:50.540 So to be kind to Kareen, I guess we're saying Dobbs, the Supreme Court decision in Dobbs taking

01:11:59.080 away our rights.

01:11:59.900 That's what the Democrats described the Dobbs decision as and voting rights.

01:12:03.760 So what, like voter ID laws taking away doesn't take away anybody's right to vote, but does

01:12:09.160 require you to show an ID in order to do so.

01:12:11.760 So truly, I mean, talk about loose language from the president of the United States, Eliana.

01:12:17.320 I don't think he was being loose in his language.

01:12:20.900 And when he said I was clear, whatever it is, I forget his exact terminology.

01:12:26.580 I do think he was clear in the sense that when he calls Republicans semi-fascists, I

01:12:33.260 I think that's what he believes.

01:12:35.500 And I think that what he wants to convey is that my political opponents are evil and they're 0.84

01:12:42.160 very bad people.

01:12:43.120 And it is precisely what Hillary Clinton said when she was campaigning against Donald Trump

01:12:47.480 and she talked about deplorables.

01:12:49.520 And it is what Barack Obama said when he described his political opponents as clinging to guns and

01:12:57.040 religion.

01:12:57.440 And it is the sort of thing that we got used to Donald Trump saying when he talked about the

01:13:02.680 media as the enemy of the people and that sent his political opponents, Democrats, into

01:13:10.940 fits of rage.

01:13:12.600 And so for the people who didn't like Trump's rhetoric, I think they should be concerned about

01:13:18.180 what they're hearing from Biden.

01:13:19.320 And by the way, this is not exactly the first time Biden said this.

01:13:22.940 He compared Republicans to Bull Connor, you know, standing in the schoolhouse door in a speech

01:13:30.280 that was scripted for him.

01:13:31.640 This is not an off the cuff remark.

01:13:33.700 That speech was written for him by the historian John Meacham.

01:13:37.160 So this is very much a theme of the Biden presidency.

01:13:41.040 And I do think he was crystal clear.

01:13:42.860 We we got the message.

01:13:45.040 That's right.

01:13:45.400 And then we found out later that Meacham was commenting on the very speech on MSNBC.

01:13:50.020 Yeah.

01:13:50.500 Yeah.

01:13:51.260 Praising.

01:13:51.960 Praising his wonderful work.

01:13:53.540 An independent commentator.

01:13:54.820 You're like, that was amazing.

01:13:55.980 This killed a rock that speech. 1.00

01:13:58.020 Fucking wrote it. 1.00

01:13:58.780 He was shook. 1.00

01:14:01.040 So eloquent.

01:14:01.980 Our media.

01:14:02.900 Go ahead, Emily.

01:14:04.180 No, I was going to say it's just John Meacham admiring his own eloquence.

01:14:09.940 And I nailed it again.

01:14:11.660 To Eliana's point, the reason that they keep breaking norms despite claiming to be really

01:14:17.840 concerned about norms is because they truly believe that Donald Trump is this exceptional

01:14:21.580 fascist threat, thus they are the noble saviors and champions of democracy.

01:14:27.520 And that's why they can keep violating all of these norms.

01:14:30.320 And you just can you can continue to see that.

01:14:33.860 I can't help but wonder whether part of what happened at Mar-a-Lago is related to that.

01:14:37.600 Like they're still in disbelief that Donald Trump had access to the nuclear codes that he

01:14:42.340 like that he should ever have access to confidential or top secret documents makes their heads

01:14:47.600 explode.

01:14:48.100 So in their minds, it really like just the fact that he's still got any of them or access

01:14:53.400 to anything is you to it's too great a load to bear in somewhat related news when it comes

01:15:00.620 to messaging.

01:15:01.140 This hit my inbox when I was it's from Jim Garrity over at National Review.

01:15:05.620 I know we all like and he was pointing out some of the rhetoric we're getting from these

01:15:09.360 Democrat politicians, which is getting a little bit more extreme.

01:15:12.960 Kathy Hochul, who took over for Andrew Cuomo.

01:15:15.620 God save us in New York State.

01:15:17.380 Um, so she said this past week and don't forget this is she she came after Andrew Cuomo after

01:15:25.680 he got bounced out.

01:15:26.520 And I remember this story from 2014.

01:15:28.640 Garrity raises this to Andrew Cuomo, then governor of New York, said extreme conservatives, extreme

01:15:33.320 conservatives who are right to life.

01:15:35.640 So you mean like virtually all conservatives, most conservatives would say they're right

01:15:40.380 to life, extreme conservatives who are right to life, pro assault weapon.

01:15:45.060 OK, assault weapon from the left just means a semi automatic pistol, which is the most popular

01:15:50.620 gun in America and anti-gay, which I don't know what he meant by that.

01:15:55.240 They have no place in New York.

01:15:56.680 Right.

01:15:57.360 They have no place in New York.

01:15:59.220 So remember this?

01:16:00.040 It was like, oh, so if you're a conservative, you've got to leave New York because Andrew

01:16:03.340 Cuomo has declared you unacceptable.

01:16:05.180 Now, Kathy Hochul, she's a success, his successor.

01:16:08.620 She comes in and says the era of Trump and Zeldin.

01:16:11.620 That's her GOP challenger.

01:16:13.240 Um, just, uh, just she kind of changes gear.

01:16:17.100 She says the era of Trump and Zeldin and this other person, Molinaro, just jump on a bus and

01:16:22.120 head down to Florida where you belong.

01:16:24.460 Get out of town.

01:16:25.820 You don't represent our values.

01:16:28.320 You are not New Yorkers.

01:16:30.780 OK, so if you're a Trump supporter living in New York, you're not a New Yorker, says

01:16:35.120 the current governor of New York.

01:16:37.460 And that leads me to, um, my last.

01:16:40.440 Oh, by the way, Lee Zeldin, the guy she's attacking, saying you need to leave if you

01:16:44.620 support him, was just attacked with by a knife wielding man after she called on people

01:16:48.880 to stalk him. 1.00

01:16:49.720 So she might want to dial it back just as just a notch, Governor Hochul and your stupid 1.00

01:16:53.800 vaxxed necklace. 0.99

01:16:54.800 Then there's Charlie Crist down in Florida who is going to challenge Ron DeSantis for

01:17:00.800 the governorship.

01:17:01.920 And he says, if you have supported Ron DeSantis, stay with him.

01:17:06.740 I don't want your vote.

01:17:08.600 If you have hate in your heart, keep it there.

01:17:12.240 Now you guys, so DeSantis has a 54 percent approval rating.

01:17:15.100 I don't think this is the best way to win some of those people over to your side.

01:17:18.400 But I'm sensing a trend here.

01:17:20.660 Semi-fascist, get out of New York, keep your vote and your hate in your heart.

01:17:25.900 Like, I'm thinking that President Unity might need to try harder. 0.55

01:17:29.840 Yeah, the moment that I saw that Charlie Crist quote, I, like, assigned one of our writers

01:17:34.780 to write it up as this is his deplorable moment, Charlie Crist's deplorable moment.

01:17:38.680 And all of these things are part of the same exact pattern and trend.

01:17:42.460 And Charles Murray started documenting this with Coming Apart back in 2012, that as we're

01:17:46.380 increasingly isolated by class and sorted by class, we have really come, especially from

01:17:52.460 the people who control the levers of power in this country, to disdain each other.

01:17:56.400 We don't share the same cultural touchstones.

01:17:58.580 We don't share the same concerns.

01:18:00.280 We don't even share the same churches, the same civic institutions, the same bowling leagues

01:18:05.260 to go back to Robert Putnam.

01:18:06.380 And that really fuels this elitism that's tearing us apart.

01:18:11.300 We are coming apart, as Murray said 10 years ago and was kind of mocked for it.

01:18:15.260 But you see this showing up in political rhetoric.

01:18:17.920 And it's like, Megan, one thing you said is they can't wrap their head around the fact

01:18:22.360 that Donald Trump had access to the nuclear codes.

01:18:24.760 Frankly, I can't either.

01:18:25.940 I don't know how the host of Celebrity Apprentice has access to the nuclear codes, but they're

01:18:30.360 making it so much worse.

01:18:31.520 They're making it so that that's going to continue to happen because it sprang from people 1.00

01:18:36.020 recognizing this deep contempt that exists for this wide swath of the public from the

01:18:41.640 people who control our institutions.

01:18:43.160 Yeah.

01:18:44.320 And then they want us to just respect, you know, respect them, respect institutions that

01:18:48.260 they run.

01:18:48.900 And I think a lot of us who are we know they hate are thinking, well, I'm not exactly feeling

01:18:55.240 that.

01:18:56.140 I'm thinking about when Senator Tim Scott was on the program a couple of weeks ago, and

01:18:59.680 he's such a good guy.

01:19:01.200 And he talks all about like how we have to reach across the aisle.

01:19:03.800 We have to remember the goodness.

01:19:04.700 We have to remember the things that bring us together.

01:19:06.120 And it's like, this is a really tough time for that message to break through.

01:19:11.260 All right.

01:19:11.500 Stand by.

01:19:12.160 We've got to get to what happened with Meghan Markle.

01:19:17.500 And Lou Chishinsky of The Federalist and Eliana Johnson of The Free Beacon are with me now.

01:19:22.160 Both have very successful and amazing podcasts, which I really enjoy.

01:19:26.080 I love The Federalist and I love ink stained wretches.

01:19:29.760 Your partner in crime, Chris Dyerwald, will be here with us later this week.

01:19:32.420 He's got a book that's making a bunch of news.

01:19:34.560 But just a moment on The Federalist.

01:19:36.420 I've said this before, Eliana.

01:19:37.460 I mean, sorry, Emily.

01:19:38.820 I I learned something every time I listen to you.

01:19:40.800 I can't say that about everybody.

01:19:42.640 Like you, you guys comment things from a very different, unexpected angle over there.

01:19:47.160 And that's that's what I love about The Federalist.

01:19:48.900 However, you may not you may not have have been invited, notwithstanding your success,

01:19:55.600 your innovation to podcast movement.

01:19:59.740 Are you familiar with podcast movement?

01:20:02.800 I was not invited.

01:20:04.340 It's an annual conference for podcasters and other content creators.

01:20:08.720 OK, it's summer 2022 meeting took place this week in Dallas, Texas.

01:20:13.540 Among the myriad attendees was Ben Shapiro, reading from Reason Magazine here.

01:20:20.720 Ben Shapiro showed up.

01:20:22.140 Why, you might ask?

01:20:23.080 Well, because The Daily Wire had a booth.

01:20:26.240 And who owns The Daily Wire?

01:20:28.140 But Ben Shapiro.

01:20:29.660 Now, this led the little snowflakes to absolutely melt down.

01:20:35.280 They were very upset.

01:20:36.820 Why?

01:20:37.340 Because as Ben told the reporter at Reason, this is what he did.

01:20:44.180 Quote, I was in the room and standing there, breathing oxygen.

01:20:49.040 That is the entire story.

01:20:52.120 There was no confrontation.

01:20:54.620 No one spoke to me about anything political.

01:20:56.720 Some people asked for pictures and I obliged.

01:20:58.800 That's literally it.

01:21:00.000 Because of that, podcast movement got a bunch of complaints and has now issued a deep, heartfelt

01:21:09.000 apology.

01:21:09.840 They are extremely sorry.

01:21:12.180 They say yesterday afternoon, Shapiro briefly visited.

01:21:15.200 He was near The Daily Wire booth.

01:21:16.660 That's where he was spotted, though he was not registered or expected.

01:21:21.020 Hello, podcast movement.

01:21:22.400 A simple Google search would have helped you out there.

01:21:24.500 We take full responsibility for the harm done by his presence.

01:21:28.540 And they said that it was, the conference referred to the painfully clear weight of its decision

01:21:37.280 to let even The Daily Wire participate in this conference.

01:21:41.560 Those of you who called this unacceptable are right.

01:21:44.560 In nine wonderful years growing and celebrating this medium, podcast movement has made mistakes.

01:21:50.280 The pain caused by this one will always be with us.

01:21:54.860 So, what do you make of it, Emily?

01:21:59.420 You have your eyes squinted and your head cocked as though you don't understand the pain of Ben's

01:22:04.980 presence there.

01:22:06.240 This is how I feel anytime I'm forced into a room with Eliana.

01:22:09.420 The harm and the pain, it just got so deep.

01:22:13.480 She's truly deplorable. 0.53

01:22:14.960 But actually, and Eliana, you're sort of like, has had, you know, sort of a different take on stories

01:22:20.800 and has existed, like you, Megan, in legacy news environments.

01:22:26.300 And I can't imagine what that's like.

01:22:28.620 I've never had to do it.

01:22:30.060 But just because of everything we just talked about, there's this brewing contempt that I think gets worse

01:22:36.000 and worse with every year.

01:22:37.300 We're doing absolutely nothing to fix it, nothing to address it, that just by virtue of being someone

01:22:44.040 who disagrees.

01:22:45.260 I mean, think of J.K. Rowling, fully progressive, across the board, fully progressive, has donated

01:22:51.500 money to progressive causes, has gone out ahead of progressive causes and offered support.

01:22:57.360 And because she has one heterodox take, she has nothing against trans adults, but with children.

01:23:02.440 That's her one heterodox take, unforgivable, not allowed in polite society anymore. 0.86

01:23:09.680 And so to be Ben Shapiro, even someone who's like fully conservative, you're just not allowed

01:23:15.360 in those spaces.

01:23:16.800 And not only that, you're you're causing harm.

01:23:18.960 We've inflated the definition of terms like violence and harm to include to a ridiculous

01:23:23.980 and meaningless extent.

01:23:25.760 Well, that's the thing.

01:23:26.220 So Eliana, on your podcast, Ink Stained Wretches with Chris, you guys, I would certainly not describe

01:23:31.640 you as left, but you you'll take on the right.

01:23:35.360 You know, you will definitely be critical of the right to your you're very open to people

01:23:39.080 who push it too far or say outlandish things and you'll call them out as well.

01:23:43.840 This is something else like you can't breathe our same air because I'm sure it's because

01:23:50.320 the Daily Wire in general does not use preferred pronouns and does not believe in any of these

01:23:56.980 treatments, you know, these, you know, aggressive, aggressive treatments for transgender youth 0.99

01:24:03.600 and so on.

01:24:04.180 They've got Matt Walsh with his documentary, What is a Woman?, which was amazing, by the

01:24:08.000 way, and featured many voices from the left trying to make the case that all this stuff

01:24:12.160 is OK.

01:24:13.260 It's just, you know, in my view, Matt wins the arguments.

01:24:16.440 But anyway, as a result, literally short of Joe Rogan, like the most popular podcaster

01:24:21.660 in America can't even be in the same airspace.

01:24:27.000 Yeah, their their justification for what they did would be because Ben Shapiro is a racist, 0.97

01:24:33.520 transphobe, you know, semi fascist in the words of President Biden.

01:24:39.400 But what I think we've seen over the past decade, maybe 15 years, is a radical redefinition

01:24:46.000 of harm and violence.

01:24:49.940 And the redefinition is that discomfort or having one's feelings hurt is violence and

01:24:58.200 therefore speech is violence.

01:25:00.520 And so what you're seeing is that Ben Shapiro's speech or his views are actually violence against

01:25:06.360 those who disagree with it.

01:25:07.820 And so Ben Shapiro has to be read out of rooms in which those in which there are those in

01:25:14.700 which he's present with those who disagree with him.

01:25:17.040 And you see this playing out like the reason this jumps out at us is that we see this playing

01:25:21.280 out in all types of organizations on university campuses, in corporations.

01:25:27.240 This is an epidemic that is playing out across our country and that is further dividing people

01:25:34.760 from one another because the powers that be are saying like, oh, we're sorry.

01:25:39.720 Yes, Ben Shapiro, you got to leave rather than taking a stand and saying, no, actually, even

01:25:46.440 if somebody's views make you uncomfortable, cause your feelings to be hurt.

01:25:52.760 We actually encourage conversations even when they result in distress and hurt feelings.

01:26:00.140 And, uh, we stand for, uh, welcoming all points of view, even when they're offensive.

01:26:05.600 That's right.

01:26:06.380 When they can, by the way, it's like they should be on their hands and knees thanking him for

01:26:09.620 showing up because he's by far, you know, one of the most successful, as they said, podcasters

01:26:13.960 in the country who called attention to their event.

01:26:16.560 They should be thrilled.

01:26:17.300 He showed up.

01:26:17.900 I doubt he's going next year.

01:26:19.740 Um, so speaking of podcast success, it was all over the news that Megan Markle had bumped 0.93

01:26:25.060 Joe Rogan out of the number one position on, on Spotify.

01:26:27.800 And I haven't taken a deep dive into this, but, you know, generally what it means when

01:26:32.280 you're number one on Spotify or an Apple or what have you, is it means you're the number

01:26:36.740 one people adding new subscribers that day.

01:26:39.220 That's what it means.

01:26:40.300 Um, so it's not that Megan Markle has more downloads or listeners that Joe than Joe Rogan

01:26:45.040 does.

01:26:45.420 It's that when she dropped her very first podcast, she had more people tuning into her for the

01:26:50.860 first time than anybody else did on the Spotify platform.

01:26:54.020 That's how it works on Apple.

01:26:54.940 I assume it's the same on Spotify.

01:26:56.160 But of course, her PR team is out there saying she's dethroned the king.

01:26:59.940 She's now the podcast queen. 0.97

01:27:01.700 I doubt it.

01:27:02.600 I got my doubts.

01:27:03.780 In any event, Miss I Want My Privacy has decided not only to launch the podcast and talk to Serena

01:27:09.640 Williams about how rough her life is, but she gave an interview with some magazine called

01:27:14.540 The Cut in which she once again rips on the royal family.

01:27:20.200 Now, the only reason we know who you are is because you married into the royal family.

01:27:25.000 No one knew you as backup girl number 40 on Howie Mandel's game show, and nobody but a

01:27:31.940 few people in Toronto knew you from your show Suits.

01:27:35.360 We were all focused on the hot guy who is the lead in all of the advertising, but we never

01:27:39.820 clicked in to watch the show.

01:27:41.220 And you, we knew you because you married into the royal family, which you now cannot stop

01:27:45.100 bashing just for the record.

01:27:46.440 But now she wants to, in this interview, she compares herself to Nelson Mandela.

01:27:53.500 She, she talks about how she's made an active effort to forgive the royal family that made

01:28:02.760 her a star and gave her a castle and made it possible for her to live in a $16 million Montecito

01:28:08.420 mansion.

01:28:09.420 And, um, she talks about her husband only referring to his family with a quote, vocal eye roll,

01:28:18.680 right?

01:28:19.420 So she's openly discussing how her, her husband can't stand his family either.

01:28:24.580 She also suggests, here's the capper, that the vote, that the tabloids, the, the press

01:28:32.620 corps in Great Britain has been calling her son, Archie, the N word.

01:28:38.600 Okay.

01:28:39.680 Who, when, where, explain same reaction as her Oprah interview, right?

01:28:46.000 That there's some raging racist within the royal family who allegedly want to know how

01:28:49.520 brown her child was going to be.

01:28:51.380 Uh, okay.

01:28:51.780 So all of this gets dumped in the cut.

01:28:54.340 I'll read you just one of the quotes.

01:28:55.760 This is a written interview.

01:28:56.820 It's not a soundbite thing.

01:28:58.440 She recalls a moment from the 2019 London premiere of the live action version of the

01:29:03.140 Lion King.

01:29:04.360 I just had Archie.

01:29:06.120 It was such a cruel chapter.

01:29:08.260 I was scared to go out.

01:29:10.660 Why?

01:29:11.460 You had like armed, armed security everywhere paid for by the Royal family.

01:29:16.220 Why?

01:29:16.700 What?

01:29:17.560 Then she goes on to say a cast member pulled her aside from the show.

01:29:21.200 He looked at me and he's just like light.

01:29:24.200 And he said, I just need you to know when you married into this family, we rejoiced in

01:29:30.180 the streets, the same as we did when Mandela was freed from prison.

01:29:37.440 Is there any end to this person's narcissism?

01:29:41.420 Uh, I read this because it was on the list of topics that we got, Megan.

01:29:46.100 And I mean, I kind of recommend it because it really is a window into how vapid and incredibly

01:29:52.600 boring, um, and contentless this person is.

01:29:56.800 Although I really did like her earrings.

01:29:58.300 She looks amazing in all of the pictures, but, uh, on the side of the article, there's

01:30:04.200 like other links you can click to that are 39 pairs of sneakers to upgrade your wardrobe

01:30:09.100 and 14 luxury candles that are worth it.

01:30:11.880 And I totally clicked on both of those links because those are a lot more interesting than

01:30:17.340 she is, um, there, she, she really is, um, empty.

01:30:22.520 Yeah.

01:30:23.240 And, but full of allegations about racism that she cannot support, uh, Emily, this, the one

01:30:27.840 that she, that I just referenced was, um, what she's talking about releasing photos of

01:30:33.720 her child.

01:30:34.220 And she's mad that if you're part of the Royal family, you're supposed to release them 0.98

01:30:38.380 first to this group, that's the UK media pool, I guess.

01:30:42.680 And she doesn't like it because it includes the British tabloids or I don't include some

01:30:46.560 people who don't like her.

01:30:48.060 Why would I give the very people that are calling my children, the N word, a photo of

01:30:54.040 my child before I can share it with the people that love my child, who called her child, the

01:30:58.840 N word.

01:30:59.220 I mean, like if you want to scrub the internet for the nastiest comments about you and your

01:31:02.800 child, you can do it.

01:31:04.040 I can do it right now.

01:31:05.140 I can list you the worst things in the world.

01:31:06.560 That doesn't, that's not representative of the media writ large to where you give an

01:31:12.140 interview and make it the defining characteristic of your relationship with this group.

01:31:18.520 Well, exactly.

01:31:19.500 And it's so incredibly unhealthy.

01:31:21.120 We see this happening from the left constantly with the definition inflation.

01:31:24.620 They blow up things that are wildly beyond their proportion to make the country, to make

01:31:29.220 the West seem so much worse than it is, which is actually really tragic because we have made 1.00

01:31:34.220 so much progress in such a short amount of time that to rewind the clock and blow this

01:31:38.940 out of proportion is actually like a really, really messed up thing to do, especially from

01:31:43.000 somebody whose success is built on the fact that they are an African-American that was

01:31:48.560 brought into the British royal family and was thus treated, especially in the American

01:31:53.900 press.

01:31:54.260 There's a difference between the American and British tabloid circus for sure.

01:31:57.720 But in the American press was absolutely fetid, was treated with the most like love and kindness.

01:32:04.540 You see that in the article where the author writes the sort of stream of consciousness admission

01:32:09.820 that she was worried that when Megan reads the article, something might be unintentionally

01:32:14.960 interpreted as a dig or an insult.

01:32:17.400 And for a reporter to say that and to proudly put it in their article is such a statement

01:32:22.520 on where American journalism has gotten.

01:32:24.360 The reason that Meghan Markle has deals at Spotify and Netflix is because the press treats

01:32:29.640 her so kindly that those places know they can count on PR exactly like this. 0.99

01:32:35.000 When they were making that deal, they were like, oh, hell yeah, we can get the cut to

01:32:38.440 put her on the cover and write something really nice about how interesting she is.

01:32:42.120 When to Eliana's point, no surprise that suitcase girl number 40 has absolutely nothing 0.95

01:32:46.900 interesting to say.

01:32:47.900 Nothing of substance to say about anything.

01:32:51.940 It's just all stale, vapid, progressive, vaguely progressive sounding talking points.

01:32:57.020 Okay.

01:32:58.020 Here's the, to your point, Eliana, that this is how the cut covered her. 0.81

01:33:02.420 The conditions are right for confession.

01:33:04.900 This is the reporter.

01:33:05.900 I'm going to read it in my sexy 900 voice.

01:33:07.660 I had a big party.

01:33:08.660 I was going to tell you about it tomorrow, but as a result, I have an inappropriate voice,

01:33:12.460 but it's appropriate for this reading.

01:33:14.960 It's a beautiful day in Montecito, in a beautiful sitting room, in a beautiful home.

01:33:20.000 Archie Harris in Mountbatten, Windsor, a lively three-year-old with a shock of ginger curls

01:33:24.760 identical to his father's, toddles into the room demanding, Mama, listen to his heartbeat

01:33:29.680 with a wooden toy stethoscope.

01:33:31.120 He stands, tummy protruding, while his mother, Megan, convincingly performs her glee at hearing

01:33:38.160 the thump, thump, thump, thump.

01:33:40.920 In his chest, Archie giggles and, satisfied, toddles right back out again.

01:33:47.420 Megan, relaxing in a cozy chair, gazes over all that is climate-controlled and high-ceilinged

01:33:52.740 and sun-dappled and perfectly marshmallow-y and hers.

01:33:57.460 An invisible hand has lit a Soho House-branded rosewater candle.

01:34:02.260 The founder, Nick Jones, is a friend from long before I met Harry, she says, and the scent

01:34:07.100 fills the air mingling with the gentle tones of a flamenco-inflected guitar floating from

01:34:12.060 a speaker.

01:34:12.740 Last one.

01:34:13.700 Then, in the lull of conversation, Megan turns to me and leans forward to ask in a conspiratorial

01:34:18.240 hush, do you want to know a secret?

01:34:21.380 Megan, silenced no more, looks around, making sure nobody, who would be, is listening in.

01:34:26.380 Then the top secret drop.

01:34:28.020 I'm getting back on Instagram, she says.

01:34:31.540 Her eyes are light and devilish.

01:34:34.620 This could have been a troll. 0.64

01:34:36.660 Delivering a nothing with such gravitas.

01:34:38.800 Feels as if Megan, who has been so trolled by the media, is serving it back just a little.

01:34:42.540 But as I quickly realize, it is actually news.

01:34:46.760 Challenge, challenge.

01:34:50.960 Ladies, I'm going to let that be the tease for people to run to the cut, something I'd 0.99

01:34:55.200 never heard of prior to this, and read the interview in full.

01:34:59.080 Read instead, actually, the Washington Free Beacon and the Federalist, and you will wind

01:35:02.940 up smarter and better for it.

01:35:04.800 Ladies, thank you. 1.00

01:35:06.000 Thanks, Megan.

01:35:06.540 Thank you.

01:35:09.220 Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show.

01:35:11.400 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

01:35:16.760 Let's do this.

01:35:17.240 Let's do this.

01:35:17.660 Thank you.

01:35:17.860 Thank you.

The Megyn Kelly Show - August 29, 2022

FBI's Hunter Warning, and Climate Hysteria, with Michael Shellenberger, Emily Jashinsky, and Eliana Johnson ｜ Ep. 381

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