The Megyn Kelly Show - Fetterman's Faults, and Tomorrow's Red Wave, Plus Tiffany Smiley and Tudor Dixon on Their Potential Upsets

00:00:00.540 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:11.560 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:14.640 We are now just hours away from Election Day, and we are gearing up for a big week.

00:00:20.120 First, I wanted to let you know that in addition to our regular shows,

00:00:22.920 we will also be live on election night from 9 to 11 p.m. Eastern Time

00:00:27.080 on Sirius XM Triumph Channel 111, and for the first time ever, also, we will be live on YouTube.

00:00:34.960 That's going to be so fun.

00:00:36.100 We're going to bring you the results as they come in, an instant, unfiltered reaction

00:00:39.860 with some of our friends who will be stopping by, a cast of all-stars, including Dennis Prager,

00:00:44.800 Barry Weiss, David Sachs, Camille Foster, Emily Jashinsky, Ryan Grimm, and Larry Elder.

00:00:51.420 Not to mention, we've got all the polls covered closely by friends from Real Clear Politics,

00:00:55.520 from National Review. Everything that you want will be right here, in-depth, and with some

00:01:00.740 personality, unlike what you're going to find most of the other places. This will be our first

00:01:05.660 election night, where I'll be on air talking about the results while being allowed to curse and drink.

00:01:11.780 Maybe just curse. So anything can happen. Before we get to tomorrow night, though,

00:01:15.940 there's a lot of news to get to right now, including the very latest on why NBC News,

00:01:20.380 quote, expired. Okay, this is a new, this is a first for me in reporting. I've never heard that.

00:01:26.100 They expired their Friday reporting on the Paul Pelosi attack with absolutely no real explanation

00:01:32.840 on why. They just humiliated one of their long-term reporters, who's gone totally silent now on

00:01:38.580 Twitter. Is he going to be disciplined? What are they going to do? If he was so wrong,

00:01:43.060 it's so disgustingly off base, what's going to happen to him? Or is this just a case of them

00:01:48.380 bending the knee to some angry staffer in Pelosi's office? Because they're not being specific about

00:01:53.700 what exactly was wrong with the report that they, quote, expired. Now, in the wake of this,

00:01:59.300 the New York Times is claiming, I am spreading misinformation. What did I do? What was so wrong?

00:02:05.220 I did it right in front of you. You're the people I spread it to, allegedly. Quote, I, this is how I did

00:02:10.640 it. I, quote, raised doubts that all facts were being disclosed, end quote, on this attack. I'm not

00:02:18.140 kidding. In New York Times, we call that being a journalist. You should try it. It could work out

00:02:23.460 really well for you. Unbelievable. And I'm not the only person being smeared as a misinformation

00:02:29.260 purveyor for asking facts, literally just asking facts. At no point have I suggested a conspiracy

00:02:33.880 theory in the Paul Pelosi case. I said the police appear to have egg on their face and that there

00:02:39.200 appear to be more facts yet to be disclosed. That's what Miguel did in his piece on Friday,

00:02:43.000 which has been, quote, expired. So we'll get into that. We're going to do a deep dive into this story

00:02:47.720 during the show, which you don't want to miss. First, though, we are talking with two women

00:02:51.800 looking to take down two top Democratic lawmakers tomorrow night. They were once considered long

00:02:57.700 shots. Now they have a real shot. Tudor Dixon is running against against Governor Gretchen Whitmer

00:03:03.880 in Michigan. And Tiffany Smiley, you've heard her name mentioned over and over again by pundits on

00:03:09.180 the show as a comer. You know, somebody you got to watch. She is looking to defeat longtime Washington

00:03:14.620 State Senator Patty Murray. And we begin right there with Tiffany Smiley. Tiffany, welcome to the

00:03:20.900 show. Thank you, Megan. Good to be on with you. Yeah, it's great to see you again. Many moons ago,

00:03:26.480 I believe I interviewed you and your husband on Fox. Yes. Amazing. It's good to see you again, Megan.

00:03:33.120 You've been very busy in that time. Your husband is a veteran. His story is very moving.

00:03:38.700 Your advocacy of his recovery after a devastating injury while fighting for our country is

00:03:44.400 inspirational. And so let's just start broad based for people who don't know you and haven't been

00:03:49.200 paying much attention to Washington State. What makes you think you can take down someone like

00:03:54.440 Patty Murray, who is I don't know how many times she's been reelected by the Democrats. She's 72.

00:04:00.680 She's like about to take sort of senior status on all these important committees. If she gets reelected,

00:04:05.760 that can make citizens say, well, yeah, we want her. We want the power for Washington State.

00:04:10.460 What makes you think you can do it? Yeah, well, if power really mattered and seniority really

00:04:15.200 mattered, then why did she not stand up for us and fight for us? You know, why was my husband

00:04:20.180 given a VA system that wasn't ready or prepared to give him every tool that he needed to be successful?

00:04:26.840 You know, I saw firsthand the roadblocks that government will put up in front of our heroes

00:04:31.420 and their families, the red tape and the bureaucratic government systems. So Senator

00:04:36.120 Murray is a part of that system. I was 11 years old when she was first elected. And we are not in

00:04:41.260 a better place. In every room I go into, I ask them, you know, are you in a better place? They say,

00:04:45.700 no, we are worse off. If seniority mattered, then we would be in a much better place. And it's clear

00:04:51.920 in every room I go into across Washington State, we are packing out rooms. Hundreds of people are coming

00:04:57.040 out to hear our message. Washington State does not need seniority. What we need is motivation

00:05:03.340 and principle. And the voters of Washington State know that that is exactly what I will bring to the

00:05:09.280 halls of Congress when they send me there. People want real results. Policy cannot be based on

00:05:17.280 intentions. It has to be based on positive impact in people's lives. It has to be based on results.

00:05:24.260 We're connecting on common ground with voters all across Washington State.

00:05:27.820 Patty Murray has been non-existent, Megan. Like she's not around. She's been phoning it in,

00:05:32.200 thinking she just had a hall pass, you know, to go to D.C. And truly all she does is rubber stamp

00:05:38.440 vote, go along to get along. That's who she is. Yeah. Let me just, so to what extent, I mean,

00:05:45.580 Washington State, Seattle in particular, has been facing a crime wave like much of the rest of the

00:05:50.740 nation. So, and I realize you've been running, running like most Republicans on a, on a tough

00:05:55.300 on crime platform, unlike Senator Murray, but what could, what can a Senator do to help crime in

00:06:02.840 Washington State? I can understand if you ran for governor, if you ran for mayor of Seattle,

00:06:07.300 what can a Senator do? Yeah, well, Senator can do a lot. Number one is lead. Um, and you know,

00:06:14.060 Senator Murray's dangerous rhetoric is, is not helpful to our police officers here in Washington State.

00:06:18.800 She went, actually went on the Senate floor, June of 2020 and called for funds to be diverted away

00:06:24.100 from our police force. And then she disappeared and went into hiding as crime ravished our cities

00:06:29.180 all across Washington State. So what I can do at the federal level, um, is I will ensure that our

00:06:35.540 police officers in Washington State have access to federal grants for $5,000 retention and recruiting

00:06:40.940 bonuses. So we retain and recruit good cops here in Washington State. Another component that's

00:06:47.500 important to address in this Megan as well is our Southern border. Um, because we talk about crime,

00:06:52.420 um, we need to talk about drugs because that's the impetus that a lot of the crime that's going on,

00:06:57.620 especially in Washington State. We have a fentanyl crisis across the state. So we need to secure

00:07:02.440 our border, ensure that our border patrol agents and law enforcement agencies down at the border have

00:07:06.800 every resource that they need, invest in technology and secure our border, stop the flow of fentanyl

00:07:11.800 from coming into Washington State and killing our kids there. Seattle has persistently high crime.

00:07:18.720 It's dark. It's not, the numbers are not good for 4,379 cases of violent crime so far this year,

00:07:25.880 slowly encroaching on last year's total of 5,407, 42 homicides in 2022 in all of 2021 when there were 42.

00:07:34.220 So you guys are on track to surpass the homicide record. Um, and then there was a notable murder

00:07:40.300 causing headlines as of August 2nd. And I wonder whether this has played a significant role at all

00:07:45.740 in your messaging, a disabled 66 year old being beaten to death with a metal pole in Seattle shown

00:07:52.500 on footage. Um, and this was allegedly by a serial criminal who'd been freed by a local judge on a

00:07:58.440 separate felony charge just eight days earlier. This has caught a lot of attention. Those of us over

00:08:04.660 here on the East coast and in the media, I mean, I think we think of Seattle as just far left,

00:08:09.980 you know, let's go softer on criminals kind of people, but this case is turning a lot of heads.

00:08:16.340 Yes, you're exactly right. Megan, just a couple of weeks ago, I was at an event in Seattle with

00:08:21.460 Democrats and independents. Um, and they said their number one issue is their safety. They do not feel

00:08:27.040 safe. Um, and that's exactly why they're voting for me. Many are saying you're the first Republican

00:08:32.300 that I've ever voted for. Um, homicide rates were so high just a few months ago that our hospitals

00:08:38.340 were in a crisis of blood shortage. And so our campaign actually hosted a two day blood drive

00:08:43.900 to help bolster that supply of lifesaving, um, you know, blood supplements. So there is a crisis

00:08:51.440 here. Senator Murray doesn't talk about it. In fact, um, I filmed an ad on crime and I was standing

00:08:56.920 in a parking lot where there were actual murders. Um, I had to have security with me when I was

00:09:03.100 filming this ad. Senator Murray came back and mocked me, um, basically said, there's no crime

00:09:08.880 here. I'm getting a cup of coffee. Everything's fine in our communities. And this is when everything

00:09:13.500 started to backfire really in her campaign because she fails to address this issue. She fails to be a

00:09:19.440 leader and stand with our law enforcement and, and protect, truly protect the people of Washington

00:09:25.100 state. Um, per capita, we have the least amount of police officers per thousand people. We're in a

00:09:31.260 very, very dangerous place. I'm talking to people all over Washington state, you know, women just

00:09:35.340 going to lunch at noon and getting violently assaulted, um, and not enough police officers to

00:09:41.500 even respond or even, um, track down or, you know, investigate the case. So there's, there's real

00:09:49.160 issues on the ground. I always say these are not Democrat or Republican issues. These are American

00:09:53.740 issues. This is about the livelihood and safety of our communities. The bedrock of truly who we are

00:09:58.840 as a country's law and order. Yeah. No, the crime rate is driving Democrats all across the country to

00:10:03.780 go to the polls tomorrow, uh, for Republicans, according to the polls, including in New York

00:10:08.160 state, the state from which I hail, um, in that one case I just mentioned with this disabled 66 year

00:10:14.160 old, the man who did it, uh, who was accused was arrested. As I said, eight days later, released by a

00:10:20.640 judge without bail, um, on a separate charge of felony harassment after he allegedly threatened

00:10:25.880 to kill a local city worker. And in a case that we've kind of seen in different forms time after

00:10:31.360 time, the superior court judge released him on his own recognizance and asked him not to commit

00:10:38.700 any more crime. Uh, this is via the daily mail on the Seattle police crime dashboard. Unbelievable.

00:10:44.300 Asked him not to commit any more crime and, uh, ignored the prosecutor's request for $10,000 in bail.

00:10:50.640 The guy did not honor his commitment not to commit any more crime. And now a 66 year old disabled

00:10:57.240 person was beaten to death. Um, I wonder what this is going to do because for me, as I understand it

00:11:03.060 from over here, it all comes down to Seattle for you. You need to get a certain percentage. It's

00:11:07.060 sort of like New York city. Um, you know, here, like without a certain percentage of the New York

00:11:13.760 city liberal votes, Lee Zeldin's not going to be Kathy Hochul without a certain percentage of the

00:11:18.000 Seattle votes. You can't beat Patty Murray, no matter how well you do in the suburbs and the

00:11:22.280 other areas of Washington state. And this happened in Seattle, I guess. Um, but you haven't been doing

00:11:29.120 a lot of campaigning in Seattle. And, uh, according to the Seattle times, they say that's going to be

00:11:35.560 quote, a huge mistake. So do you feel like you should have done more to get Seattle's votes?

00:11:41.980 Well, I don't know what they're talking about because I have been in Seattle quite often. I just

00:11:46.000 mentioned the two day blood driver that our campaign hosted to bolster the blood supply, um,

00:11:50.180 for a local hospital in downtown Seattle. I've actually been in, um, a lot of the homeless

00:11:54.260 encampments in Seattle. I visited the Soto homeless encampment, um, in the heart of Seattle,

00:11:59.820 um, one of the largest and was helping clean up dirty needles. I was talking with the folks there.

00:12:05.020 And what's interesting is I was meeting with a group that's non-political group. They're just

00:12:09.420 taking action to help clean up the streets. And when I was there in that homeless encampment,

00:12:13.760 there was another woman there helping clean up and do harm reduction. And she yelled my name from

00:12:18.120 across the encampment and came over and she said, Tiffany smiley. And I said, yes, you know,

00:12:24.560 I don't know what attack ads you're watching, but I'm really, I'm really a nice person. She said,

00:12:28.560 no, no, no, no. I'm so happy to be here with you. She said, I have always voted Democrat. I've always

00:12:33.800 voted for Patty Murray. And this year I'm voting for you and I'm honored. It was a real special

00:12:38.820 moment because here we are in the heart of Seattle in the face of destruction where we're allowing

00:12:43.580 people to poison themselves to death. And here was a Democrat and Republican shaking hands,

00:12:48.620 coming together, believing in something better for our city and for our state. That's exactly why we

00:12:55.060 are going to win this race. Megan, there is no place that I will not go to talk to the voters of

00:12:59.820 Washington state. And I've been doing that for 18 months. Um, and the message is resonating all across

00:13:06.120 the ground. What percentage of vote do you think you need to get? For those of us who are going to

00:13:09.580 be watching you tomorrow night and reporting on this, what percentage of the vote do you think

00:13:12.860 you need to get in Seattle? Cause I'll tell you this, the Seattle times says if you're a Republican,

00:13:17.620 you have to get close to 40% in liberal King County, which is where they are. Otherwise you're

00:13:22.300 toast. And they point out that, um, in the primary, uh, which was just on August 2nd, you got just 19%

00:13:30.920 of the King County vote and all Republican candidates combined scored only 24%. So they're

00:13:37.500 saying, you know, doesn't look that good. You got to drive up those numbers because there's just not

00:13:43.580 enough available vote outside of King County to bring you over the top. What, what, how would you

00:13:48.700 put the numbers? Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'll say that, uh, you know, the primary numbers that, uh, after

00:13:53.960 Senator Murray went negative and started attacking me in June, two months prior to the primary. Um,

00:14:00.920 and there were over 12 people on the ballot. Um, so I, I'm not looking at those numbers. I'm focused

00:14:07.120 on connecting with the voters. So, um, I, you know, I, I'm not, I would say King County to win this

00:14:12.740 election. Um, and that's not, that's not a hard number. Um, we're campaigning hard in Snohomish and

00:14:17.760 Pierce County as well, um, connecting with the voters across the ground and, and we're right there.

00:14:22.300 I mean, the enthusiasm on the ground is real and, um, that's what I'm going to continue to focus on.

00:14:28.300 I'm, I'm ending my race exactly how I started it and it's connecting directly with the voters of

00:14:33.740 Washington state, um, all over this great state. We're barnstorming from one corner to the next.

00:14:38.900 Every single vote will count in this election. Um, and so we're encouraging people to get out and

00:14:43.520 vote. The enthusiasm is real. Megan. What are they saying to you? I mean, honestly, like the Democrat,

00:14:48.760 I know what Republicans care about, but like the Democrats who are considering you,

00:14:53.260 like what is bothering them? Why, why would they abandon her?

00:14:57.800 Crime. Uh, that's, that's number one that I hear, um, especially in Seattle and Snohomish and

00:15:03.680 Pierce County, the crime issue, the education of our children. Um, in addition to the cost of living

00:15:09.880 and gas prices, we have some of the highest gas prices in the country. Um, we have a fentanyl crisis

00:15:15.240 that that is brought up in every single room. Again, these aren't Democrat or Republican issues.

00:15:19.640 They're American. In fact, a woman at the event that I just ran in, um, on my bus to this interview,

00:15:25.200 a woman stopping outside the bus. And she said, I've always voted for Patty Murray. I'm so honored

00:15:28.900 to be voting for you because they want hope. You know, we have got to deliver results. Senator

00:15:34.240 Murray is not talking about any of these issues or campaigning on any of these issues. She's not

00:15:38.860 talking about the crime that's affecting our families every single day. So that's where we're

00:15:42.700 meeting on common ground, um, is addressing, uh, the crime crisis, fentanyl crisis. Um, and, you

00:15:48.840 know, Senator Murray was the champion for mandates, lockdown, shutdowns. She ran as the mom in tennis

00:15:55.000 shoes, um, who was going to fight for our children's education. And she abandoned our children in

00:15:59.040 Washington state. In a CNN interview, she basically doubled down, said she has no regrets with how they

00:16:04.560 handled the pandemic. They followed the science. Um, that was a slap in the face to every parent

00:16:08.920 across Washington state. So we are the campaign for parents. And, you know, when you're talking

00:16:14.720 about our kids, it doesn't matter if you're Democrat or Republican, you want someone who will

00:16:18.080 go fight, uh, for your kids to ensure that they have competitive quality education. Um, I'm a mom

00:16:23.440 of three young boys who were in the public school system during the pandemic. Senator Murray failed

00:16:28.480 to address the issues. Um, you know, she says she's, you know, put all this money into the American

00:16:33.560 rescue plan. And my, my answer back to her was if all of this was so great, Senator Murray,

00:16:38.760 why is it not working? Um, you know, can I ask you a question? Cause third way, which is a, uh,

00:16:44.860 sort of a left leaning, but not far left, uh, think tank. They did a poll of voters to try to

00:16:52.020 figure out what's going wrong on the democratic side. They're, you know, they're, they're Democrats.

00:16:55.200 They want the Democrats to win. And they were trying to take an honest look at why it doesn't

00:16:58.500 look like they're going to. And one of the things that they concluded, uh, in their polling

00:17:03.080 is, and I quote, this is on education. Um, they say worse, even in areas where Democrats

00:17:10.940 are trusted more, it is not clear that voters are sold on Democrats approach or ability to

00:17:15.300 get things done. Jarringly in a split test between which party will fund the education

00:17:21.600 system and which will improve the education system. Democrats lead by 19 points on funding,

00:17:29.740 but they trailed by one point on actually improving it. And just to be behind by one point

00:17:36.400 for the Democrats on, you know, getting voters approval on education is actually a seismic

00:17:40.980 shift. The voters used to just always go with Democrats. When it came to education, it was

00:17:44.540 sort of like climate change, abortion and education, net, net the electorate would favor

00:17:49.900 Dems. But for them to be saying this democratic group, taking a hard look saying when it comes

00:17:54.920 to the way we're actually going to do education, we now favor Republicans. I mean, I think that

00:17:59.080 what you're touching on is being reflected by these polls, even the Democrat moms, because

00:18:04.020 you're running as a new mom and down, even the Democrat moms have had it.

00:18:08.080 Yes. Yes, you're exactly right. And I've been connecting with them over the last 18 months,

00:18:12.100 you know, especially, uh, parents with special needs kids, there's actually a lawsuit into the

00:18:16.540 Seattle school district, um, because those kids had no interaction for months. I mean, this

00:18:23.260 is exactly why we will win this race because we have solutions versus just money. We don't have

00:18:28.500 a money problem. We have a solutions problem. And, and Megan, I think it's also important

00:18:32.840 to note that, and I get cheers all over Washington state for this, um, is that we have to decrease

00:18:38.720 the stigma that college is for everyone, um, and expose our kids, especially here in Washington

00:18:45.420 state to trade at a much younger age, because there are multiple pathways to the American dream.

00:18:51.760 And we need to be ensuring that our children have access to competitive quality educations that

00:18:58.920 will give them a hand up in this country. Senator Murray does not address this issue. She funds the

00:19:04.900 system. She's a go along to get along. And the parents of Washington state know that.

00:19:09.600 Hmm. All right. Uh, Donald Trump lost, uh, Washington state to Joe Biden by 20 points, 58 to 38.

00:19:16.380 And so what role, if any, does Trump play in this election? Um, he's in the news today for hitting

00:19:23.720 Ron DeSantis as Ron DeSantis. Some Republicans are angry about that. Um, where do you stand on

00:19:31.080 Donald Trump and whether you want him to be the party nominee in 2024? You know, this campaign here

00:19:36.240 in Washington state, we will shock the country because it, I have been so successful in this whole

00:19:41.140 campaign because over the last 18 months, there's one endorsement that I'm focused on. And that's the

00:19:45.600 voters of Washington state. And they know that, um, you know, Senator Murray has spent millions of

00:19:50.540 dollars to use the picture of me and the president and smear me across Washington state. And it's

00:19:56.660 really backfiring on her because she, she doesn't show the voters, the picture of me and her,

00:20:01.880 and she doesn't want the voters to hear her talking about me on the Senate floor in 2018 saying what an

00:20:08.020 incredible, effective advocate I am. Um, but that's who I am. And the voters of Washington state know that

00:20:13.700 I will work with anyone to deliver results. When, when I met with the president, I was fighting for

00:20:18.600 every Democrat, Republican, independent service member and their family. That's exactly what I

00:20:22.600 will do for Washington state. And we are surging in the polls because my main focus is the voters

00:20:28.120 of Washington state and delivering results. Hmm. Would you back Trump if you were the party nominee?

00:20:34.280 I mean, would you, would you back him as the nominee? I I'm just trying to win in Washington state.

00:20:38.760 And that's what I'm focused on bringing our country together, um, and moving forward. Um,

00:20:43.540 that is clearly what we need here in Washington state. And that is my main focus. We need to retire

00:20:48.340 Patty Murray, Tiffany, um, all the best to you and to your husband too, for his honorable service.

00:20:54.000 And I know the whole family family serves and you've been through a lot. His injuries, absolutely

00:20:58.180 devastating, but he continued on. They wanted you to sign his retirement papers while he was still in

00:21:03.620 the hospital. You refused. Um, and I believe he became the first serving blind active duty,

00:21:10.780 uh, member, right. Thanks to your refusal to sign those papers after all that.

00:21:16.640 Yes, absolutely. Um, that's what I tell everyone across Washington state. That's exactly who I am.

00:21:22.140 Um, I was the first person to not sign that paperwork, um, in, you know, to transition Scotty into the VA.

00:21:27.700 I believed in a better purpose. I believed in his life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

00:21:31.660 And that's what I'm fighting for, for all of Washington state.

00:21:35.200 Well, you guys are, you truly are American patriots and it's, it's a pleasure to meet you.

00:21:39.720 Good luck tomorrow.

00:21:41.020 Thank you, Megan. Appreciate you having me on.

00:21:43.200 All the best. And we will be right back with Tudor Dixon, GOP candidate in Michigan. And I just

00:21:48.800 got back from a weekend in Detroit. And let me tell you, everyone was talking about Tudor Dixon.

00:21:54.700 That's next.

00:21:55.520 Our next guest is Tudor Dixon, Republican candidate in the Michigan governor race. In the months leading

00:22:07.460 up to the election, there was a wide polling gap between Tudor and her and the current governor,

00:22:12.180 Gretchen Whitmer. But in the last few weeks, the gap has narrowed considerably leaving the competitors

00:22:17.680 neck and neck. It's now at the point where real clear politics is actually suggesting this is going

00:22:24.680 to be a GOP pickup. Wow. What a reversal that would be. Tudor Dixon, welcome to the show.

00:22:32.600 Thank you so much for having me.

00:22:34.440 I mean, that must have like, I know you've been working hard, but you've been way outspent.

00:22:39.220 And your opponent is the clear favorite, according to the polls up until recently. So you must have

00:22:45.420 been taken aback when you saw now you're the projected likely winner by real clear politics.

00:22:51.280 What did you make of it? Well, we've been watching the excitement grow on the ground. We think that

00:22:55.620 the movement of people that have decided they don't want Gretchen Whitmer back in office is growing

00:23:00.900 and growing. Parents are more and more upset that the education system is failing in the state of

00:23:06.060 Michigan. So over time, I'm not surprised. She did come out with a lot of money. They have so much

00:23:11.180 money. It's crazy. She's come out with over $25 million in attack ads. I think that her spend

00:23:17.640 through the end will be closer to 50 million in attack ads. And people said that there was really

00:23:22.560 no way to overcome it. But it's been interesting because I think what happened is that there was

00:23:27.540 a lot of anger around surrounding who Gretchen Whitmer was and her policies, but people didn't know who

00:23:33.800 the alternative was. So she spent all that money and that increased my name ID to over 90% in the

00:23:40.000 state. Then we got to have the two debates and, and, and what she defined me as people really got

00:23:45.600 to see, well, that's not actually who she is. When we see her debate, we understand what her policies

00:23:50.260 are. We understand who she is. And that just really changed the trajectory of the race. So I almost

00:23:55.480 credit Gretchen Whitmer with getting me where I am. Abortion, abortion, abortion. I mean, it was

00:24:00.960 everywhere. I was in Detroit this whole weekend with some friends and prop three, prop three, prop

00:24:05.720 three, prop three. Um, it was all over the place. And as I understand prop three, this is basically,

00:24:10.000 you know, we could, if the voters want to, we can just kick it back to the Roe versus Wade standard

00:24:15.180 on abortion. If, if the voters want to write that into Michigan law. And you said, if that's what the

00:24:21.240 voters want to do, I'm not going to mess with it. You know, I, I will, I will accept the voters

00:24:26.220 decision. This is not how you've been portrayed by your opponents. Barack Obama came out and

00:24:32.600 said, you're the governor Whitmer's, uh, opponent you, um, that, that you think politicians had

00:24:40.960 the right idea, uh, back in 1931. I mean, she probably thinks if she watched the handmaid's

00:24:46.640 tail, she's thinking, well, what's the problem? No, Obama said it was a forced rapes for sterilizations

00:24:54.560 during the Republican primary. Uh, Dixon had praised the law and said, saving the life of the

00:25:00.480 mother should be the only exception. So he's saying your earlier position certainly sounded more extreme

00:25:03.900 than prop three would allow. So what do you make of Obama suggesting you were, you were big time in

00:25:09.240 favor of what you saw in handmaid's tail? Yeah. When you have to bring Barack Obama into the city

00:25:14.820 of Detroit to try to campaign there, you know, you have a problem getting out your base. Now we see

00:25:19.820 them in this desperate mode of attacking Republicans for things that really have nothing to do with

00:25:25.180 policy whatsoever. And it's interesting that you bring this up because there is prop three on the

00:25:29.840 ballot. It is really extreme. It's abortion up to the moment of birth. You don't have to be a doctor

00:25:34.880 to have an abort to, to perform an abortion. It takes away parental consent for a minor wanting to have

00:25:40.540 an abortion. And if you botch the abortion, whether you are a doctor or not, you are legally

00:25:44.740 immune to any recourse from the patient or from their patient's family, if you do something

00:25:49.440 terrible. So it is the most extreme proposal. The only other two places in the world that have

00:25:55.080 something like this are China and North Korea. But the more interesting part about this is that

00:26:00.020 Michigan has already had a judge that has ruled in this matter and said, there will be no ban on

00:26:05.460 abortion because that would be unconstitutional. So we're already at Roe. That's where we are right now

00:26:10.640 in the state of Michigan without anybody having to vote on this extreme ballot measure, without the

00:26:15.260 governor weighing in. And the governor won't weigh in because this has been decided in the courts.

00:26:19.840 But it's still what she's running on, which tells you she has nothing to run on because she's been in

00:26:25.400 government for 20 years. Governor for four of those has done nothing for the state of Michigan to grow

00:26:31.120 economic development. We are losing automotive day by day. You see more automotive shops starting up in

00:26:37.240 Ohio and Indiana and Kentucky and Tennessee and North Carolina, but not in Michigan. She knows that

00:26:42.720 she's losing automotive. That's our legacy industry. And she doesn't want to talk about that. She doesn't

00:26:47.740 want to talk about the fact that the schools are now in the bottom 10 in the nation. And she hasn't

00:26:51.900 done anything to get our kids back on track after COVID, after the lockdowns. She lied in the debate,

00:26:58.280 said our schools were only locked down for three months. Parents are angry.

00:27:01.880 I'll get to that one second. I do want to get your way into Barack Obama campaigning for her

00:27:06.460 on something that has nothing to do. And my goodness, to come out and insult me in that way.

00:27:11.900 Boy, I mean, it's almost a compliment that he has nothing else to say.

00:27:15.280 Yeah. Can't handmaids tell like they use that against Amy Coney Barrett, too, because of her

00:27:18.860 Catholicism. I'm like, OK, wait, but I did hear you criticize Prop 3 quite strongly in there. And I

00:27:25.700 had heard you say before that you would there are, quote, no laws that I will decide not to follow

00:27:32.320 if that is what the people want. So you will uphold Prop 3 if Michiganders vote for it.

00:27:38.420 Absolutely. I am not Gretchen Whitmer. She has come out and said there are laws that I will pick

00:27:42.940 and choose what to follow. If that is what the people vote for, that's what they vote for. This

00:27:47.220 is our process, our system of government. We have to respect the system. The system is that if you put a

00:27:52.960 proposal on the ballot and people vote for it, the governor then and especially this is a

00:27:57.440 constitution change. The governor doesn't get to say, you know what, I'm not going to follow the

00:28:01.480 constitution in this area. If the people vote for this, then absolutely. That's what I will uphold.

00:28:07.120 That is what I'm being elected to do. OK, how about if the people vote for Joe Biden, you'll accept

00:28:13.280 that he's the legitimate winner of the state of Michigan because you've been a little waffly on that.

00:28:17.100 Did he win Michigan fairly? I've said that once an election is certified, that is our president.

00:28:22.140 And I have said that he is our president. I don't like the fact that our secretary of state,

00:28:26.860 you know, she in Michigan, it was kind of unique. She ended up having a judge come out and say two

00:28:31.720 of the things she did in the election were unlawful. So she changed the rules right before just weeks

00:28:37.020 before the election. And she changed it so that our signature match was not you didn't have to have

00:28:42.180 the same strength in the signature match. She also sent absentee ballot applications to every

00:28:47.640 person in the state on the taxpayer dime, which she legally wasn't allowed to do. So I've said,

00:28:52.820 look, there's a lot of reasons people question it when you see the secretary of state break the law

00:28:57.400 during the election. So, of course, people are going to say we want her to run a lawful election.

00:29:02.460 And if she does that, then we won't have a problem. But we have a lot of people on the ground.

00:29:06.040 We feel confident in this election. We know people are watching her now. And a judge is not going to

00:29:10.680 allow her to get away with changing the rules without that going through the proper channels.

00:29:14.820 Mm hmm. What about I mentioned this to Tiffany Smiley, but Donald Trump out that was out there

00:29:20.580 this weekend taking a shot at Ron DeSantis, calling him Ron DeSantis, some Republicans

00:29:24.120 thought it was out of line. What did you make of it? You know, right now we want everybody focused

00:29:29.400 on these midterms. I really do. I want people to look at the midterms and say, this is the election

00:29:35.040 that we have this week. It is key that we get Republicans in so that my focus is there. I want

00:29:40.780 everybody's focus to be there. You want the Trump you want the Trump supporters. You want the

00:29:43.800 DeSantis supporters and you want the Tudor Dixon supporters more than anybody. Fair enough.

00:29:48.740 Let's talk about crime. Crime in Michigan is a problem, just like it is in virtually all the

00:29:53.040 other states. What do you think you can do differently than what Gretchen Whitmer has done?

00:29:59.700 Well, Gretchen Whitmer's record on crime is to first of all, she came into office and

00:30:04.220 sure, her goal was to raise taxes. So she wanted to raise the gas tax by 45 cents a gallon.

00:30:09.440 And when she didn't get that through the legislature, she decided to cut secondary

00:30:14.160 road funding for sheriffs. And so we know that right off the bat, she was cutting funding to

00:30:19.400 police. She also vetoed funding for corrections officers. So we so desperately need help in our

00:30:25.900 corrections department right now. But she decided to veto funding there as well. Her history is to

00:30:31.340 take money away from policing, but also marching with folks that had those defund the police signs.

00:30:37.060 She marched with those folks. She also came out and said she supports the spirit of defund the

00:30:41.920 police. This has been catastrophic for the state of Michigan. We currently have four of the 20 most

00:30:47.480 dangerous cities in the country. Barack Obama, when he was here, kind of joked about crime. He was in

00:30:53.660 Detroit joking about the fact that this happened and we should probably blame Trump for this. But think

00:30:59.360 about the optics of that. You are standing in the second most violent city in the country,

00:31:04.540 joking about crime. The people of Michigan don't think that this is funny. They realize that she

00:31:10.420 has taken her support away from the police. In the last couple of weeks, she's come out and said,

00:31:14.600 no, no, I do support the police. Of course, because she sees an election in the future.

00:31:19.160 But we have heard from police across the state saying, we just can't keep people in the position

00:31:23.660 because they are too nervous that they're either going to get arrested or they're going to get killed

00:31:27.760 on the job in the state of Michigan. And they don't have the support from the chief executive

00:31:32.240 officer. So we know that that has caused us to have a lack of folks in the police force. That's

00:31:38.460 a huge problem. There was an article a few weeks ago that said, this year, we have lost a police

00:31:44.040 officer a day in the city of Detroit leaving the force because it's just a position where they don't

00:31:49.020 feel they're honored. They don't feel they're supported. So the opportunity to create safe

00:31:53.220 communities is wide open in the state of Michigan. It's going to take funding. We want to put a billion

00:31:58.220 new dollars into policing to recruit and retain police to bring honor back to the position to

00:32:04.000 bring people up out of their communities and rise them up into the police force once again.

00:32:09.040 And then I believe that we will be able to combat some of these issues that we have.

00:32:12.860 Even our local crime labs are telling me if we could put a little bit more focus on what we're

00:32:17.500 doing in these labs, we would be able to prevent a lot more crime. We need to. We are fifth in the

00:32:23.720 nation for rapes per capita. We've got to get more protection under sex crimes. We've also got

00:32:28.920 to face the opioid epidemic in a different way. Sensing a theme here as I listen to you and your

00:32:34.800 fellow candidates. COVID is the biggie after abortion in Michigan, I think, for a lot of Republican

00:32:40.560 voters especially. She was the lockdown queen. And now she's denying it. Now she's really engaging in

00:32:49.480 some revisionist history. You mentioned it a second ago and I said we'd get to it. Here's the soundbite

00:32:53.800 of her at your October 25th debate, trying to, I'll tell the audience, this is my factual correction

00:33:02.100 on her, trying to minimize what she did with schools in Michigan during the COVID period. Here it is.

00:33:10.100 We've also had some historic challenges over the last few years, I think, to put it lightly.

00:33:14.480 You know, Mrs. Dixon says that I kept students out longer than any other state. That's just not

00:33:19.940 true. I worked closely with my Republican and Democratic governors and kids were out for three

00:33:25.040 months. Were they? No. And that was, you know, I was shocked by that. As I've traveled across the

00:33:33.340 state, so many parents have said to me, it wasn't just shocking for us. Our kids were in the room and

00:33:38.320 they had an audible gasp saying we weren't out of school for three months. I've had kids at rallies.

00:33:43.060 One of them yesterday in the morning yelled out, I was out for eight months or nine months.

00:33:47.500 Another kid yelled out, I was out for a year and a half. So we have anywhere from really nine months

00:33:53.340 to two years that kids were out of school. Ann Arbor, Flint, and Detroit. All three cities still

00:33:59.280 had schools out in the beginning of 2022. So we have a significant amount of learning loss in the state

00:34:05.620 of Michigan, but it's not even that she lied about it. It's that smug smile, the laugh beforehand,

00:34:11.640 acting like this didn't happen. And I think it really took people back to all those days when

00:34:16.860 Gretchen Whitmer would come out, we would be waiting to hear what she was going to take away

00:34:21.400 from us that day, if we were going to get any freedoms or liberties back. And she would come out

00:34:26.060 and just speak to us in such a condescending manner. In the middle of the pandemic, she came

00:34:30.380 out one day and she said, don't go to Ohio to get your hair done. If you want to get your hair

00:34:36.060 done, then Google how to cut your own hair. I mean, just talking to people like this and the,

00:34:42.560 and the, just the audacity of saying, if you cross the border into Ohio, then you're going to bring

00:34:48.900 COVID back here. Well, why do people in Ohio think it's okay to have salons open? She crushed,

00:34:54.500 crushed our salons. She killed our restaurants. Our restaurants were closed longer than any other

00:34:59.880 state. Eight months, 3000 restaurants gone right off the bat. We're still losing restaurants every

00:35:05.580 single day because people can't come back from these policies. And now she's saying, well, that

00:35:10.960 didn't happen. Well, it did happen. And the people who suffered from it know full well that she's

00:35:16.460 not telling the truth about that.

00:35:18.660 She hears just a couple of facts for the audience. Schools in Detroit and Grand Rapids remain closed for

00:35:25.020 most of the 2020-21 school year. All right. That's the next year after the spring of COVID,

00:35:30.240 the whole next year. While students at Ann Arbor and Flint entered 2022 with remote instruction,

00:35:37.060 Governor Whitmer rebuffed calls from the state Republicans to require Michigan school districts

00:35:41.340 to offer an in-person learning option, at least for K-5 students. She wouldn't do it. During the 2020

00:35:49.000 through 2021 school year, Ann Arbor offered in-person instruction a mere 11% of the time,

00:35:56.080 according to the data analytics company, Burbio. So, I mean, and by the way, Lansing was closed more

00:36:01.240 than Ann Arbor and Kalamazoo students learn via Zoom all year. So it really is bold. And as the

00:36:08.100 mother of young school children myself, I find it outrageous that she's trying to like defend your

00:36:12.560 record, stick to the facts, defend your record. Tell us why you thought that was okay, but she's trying

00:36:16.800 to change the record. And by the way, she was also pro-masking. The state did not lift the

00:36:22.140 recommended school mask mandate until February 2022. Can I just ask you one other thing about

00:36:26.780 the COVID thing? She's a Cuomo. She's somebody who ordered COVID-positive patients into nursing homes,

00:36:34.200 despite the obvious risks of doing that, that were called to the attention of these sitting

00:36:38.760 governors at the time. It's not like they had no idea what might happen to the elderly if they did it.

00:36:42.880 Is that an issue there? Because I mean, in New York, that helped lead to the downfall of our

00:36:47.400 governor, Cuomo. That's why Kathy Hochul is the governor now. In Michigan, it doesn't seem to have

00:36:52.080 been such a big deal. No, and this has been a frustration that the media has not hit her harder

00:36:58.100 on this, because this is something that I came out and talked about in the debate too. She did get a few

00:37:03.300 questions on that afterward, and she has doubled down on this lie because she lied about that as well.

00:37:09.040 She said, oh, I didn't force COVID-positive patients into nursing homes. Well, she did. In fact,

00:37:14.380 when Governor Cuomo backed off of that, she doubled down and she kept putting people in.

00:37:19.600 A third of our deaths were seniors from nursing homes. It was outrageous, the policies that she

00:37:24.440 had. But now it's even more outrageous that, like you said, why isn't she coming out and defending this

00:37:29.760 or saying, you know, I talked to the experts and they said this. Instead, she's saying, I didn't do that,

00:37:34.200 which is completely shocking and outrageous. But we have this leftist media in Michigan that isn't

00:37:39.720 saying, wait a minute, you definitely did do this. We have the numbers. In fact, they tried to alter

00:37:46.640 what they considered long-term care and nursing facilities so that the numbers would look a lot

00:37:51.580 better than they actually were. And when we had an outside auditor come in and do the actual numbers,

00:37:56.840 they were much higher than even what the Whitmer administration was willing to put out.

00:38:00.620 And she won't talk about it. Now, to this day, she is lying about that policy and saying she

00:38:05.440 didn't do it at all. We lived through it. My grandmother was locked into a nursing home.

00:38:09.700 The bizarre thing was you couldn't go see your family members in a nursing home,

00:38:14.240 even if you had a negative test and they had a negative test. You were only allowed into a nursing

00:38:19.020 home if you were positive for COVID-19. It was outrageous and it caused way too many deaths.

00:38:24.860 Yeah. You know what? The difference is that with all due respect to the GOP messaging,

00:38:28.360 you didn't have Janice Dean there. Janice Dean, my pal at Fox News, whose both of her in-laws were

00:38:33.620 killed, they died of COVID in New York state nursing homes around the time of this order by

00:38:40.820 Governor Cuomo. And she was on them like a dog with a bone and was really the person who changed

00:38:44.440 the conversation in New York about it. And there wasn't such a famous person in Michigan. It's sad.

00:38:49.000 You know, you shouldn't need a famous person to have two dead relatives, right?

00:38:52.360 Well, I will say that we have one man, one journalist here, Charlie Leduff, who pushed really hard to get

00:38:57.700 that out. And Janice Dean did share a lot of his stuff, a lot of his reporting, a lot of his

00:39:02.340 research. So we are grateful to Janice Dean for doing that.

00:39:05.360 Good. Me too. Yeah, I love her.

00:39:08.360 So let's talk about Colbert for a minute, because we played this on Friday. It was just so nasty and

00:39:14.160 typically just uncharitable of him. You got out there and called attention to a Democrat who would

00:39:20.160 come up to you and said, I'm a lifelong Democrat, but I'm getting ready to vote for you,

00:39:23.040 in particular because of the weird sexualization of children books that we're seeing that literally

00:39:28.860 Democrats called as a conspiracy theory. This is yet another conspiracy theory that the Republican

00:39:33.300 parents, the independent minded parents of the Democrat parents were like, why are you sexualizing

00:39:37.140 my kid in elementary school? For the love of God, keep the books. Remember when we were in school

00:39:41.880 was like Winnie the Pooh or maybe like Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe. But you did not have this stuff.

00:39:46.820 Um, he basically called you a liar in the following clip. I'll play it. It's not three.

00:39:52.540 Dixon's not the only one worried about this issue. So is this guy. She totally made up.

00:39:57.000 I had a gentleman come up to me just a few nights ago and he said, I found content in my school library

00:40:02.760 describing how to have sex to my son. I went to the Democrats and I said, I cannot believe that this

00:40:09.660 is in there. Okay. Fine. That happened. But even if it did, if someone found a book they didn't like

00:40:20.200 at a school library, why would they go to the Democrats? That's like saying, excuse me, is this

00:40:24.840 Chuck Schumer's office? I didn't like the finale of House of the Dragon. Also, this natural peanut

00:40:31.440 butter is way too oily when it's in the cupboard, but it gets too hard when it's in the fridge.

00:40:35.360 I'm voting Republican. Good day, sir. Then for reasons all her own, Dixon continued.

00:40:41.460 What these parents are talking about are not textbooks that will help children learn about

00:40:46.880 themselves. These are books that are describing to children how to have sex. She's right. We looked

00:40:52.660 it up and there are a lot of classic children's books teaching kids about doing it. There's

00:40:57.500 Where the Wild Things Bone, If You Give a Mouse Some Nookie, and Green Eggs and Butt Stuff.

00:41:05.360 Well, it turns out you were telling the truth. And the man, Khalil Othman, has spoken out saying,

00:41:13.220 I am very real. I am the Democrat who went to Tudor Dixon and a simple Google search would have

00:41:18.560 revealed me to you. I want to give you an update. Stephen Colbert, quote, apologized for the error

00:41:27.300 on his show in the snarkiest way possible. Here's a little bit of this on, I think, Thursday or Friday

00:41:33.840 night.

00:41:35.160 Therefore, I, Stephen Colbert, acknowledge that you exist and ask that you forgive me. He goes on to

00:41:42.260 say, if this person, and he means me, did his due diligence and started researching or had his team

00:41:48.780 do a little bit of research of who's this person who attended Dixon's rally, they will be able to

00:41:53.860 find my name right away, easy, on social media. Just Google it. Okay, fair enough. But I will point

00:42:00.120 out that Dixon never said your name. So what am I supposed to search for? All she said was, I had a

00:42:06.140 gentleman come up to me and he said, I found content in my school library describing how to

00:42:11.980 have sex to my son. He says that should be enough. So let's, uh, let's Google some key words from that

00:42:20.460 sentence. This guy claimed to be a Democratic politician, but switched after he lost his primary

00:42:26.100 and packed up his toys and went off in a huff to support an election denying transphobic COVID-19

00:42:32.880 conspiracy theorist. What a wonderful example for all of our children. By the way, fella,

00:42:39.620 if you didn't know that about Tudor Dixon before you supported her, you should Google it.

00:42:46.320 Hmm. What do you make of his apology?

00:42:50.700 Uh, you know, this is actually great because we have so many people saying this is the elitist

00:42:55.980 left that is coming out and belittling parents who say they're concerned about this stuff. I'm a mom

00:43:01.640 of four girls. I'm concerned about this too. Khalil and I have bonded over this and it's been very

00:43:07.400 interesting to see a community. He said to me, you know, I was told the, the Republicans don't want me

00:43:13.180 at their rallies, but I bravely left and came to your rally. And he said, you talked about all the

00:43:17.720 things I cared about. And I said, you know, it's funny because we were told that your community

00:43:22.120 didn't want us to come in. Here is a Muslim American who is saying at this point, I'm putting aside

00:43:28.100 everything else. This is not a partisan thing. This is about him and me fighting for our kids.

00:43:34.280 He gets it. I get it. We're, we are going to fight for our kids and we're bringing people

00:43:38.880 along with us to the Democrats just thought that they always had. But now we're talking about things

00:43:44.800 that matter so deeply to our hearts. We have left because we're, we're up against a heartbreak.

00:43:49.060 Let me ask you, what's your message to Stephen Colbert? What's he not getting?

00:43:52.300 You are not understanding the people of the country. You're not understanding the heartbeat of

00:43:56.860 America right now. And that is to make sure that our kids are protected, that they have a future,

00:44:02.160 that they have safe communities. When you belittle parents who are concerned about their child's

00:44:07.260 safety, no matter what the safety issue is, you are losing people for your own party and we welcome

00:44:12.920 them to ours. All right. Prediction for what's going to happen tomorrow? There's a lot of energy on the

00:44:18.940 ground. You probably hear the rally in the background right now. We think we're going to have a big red

00:44:22.980 wave in Michigan. Wow. We will be watching and reporting on it all. Thank you so much for being

00:44:28.760 here, Tudor Dixon. It's been a pleasure. Thank you. We, we loved it. All right. We'll be right back

00:44:34.860 with much, much more. We got lots to cover, including that NBC retracted reporter expired,

00:44:39.640 like it died, like it died at cause of natural death.

00:44:42.840 The Paul Pelosi story took a strange turn on Friday morning when NBC's Today Show revealed

00:44:53.120 new details about what took place right before the assault. And then NBC expired the video,

00:45:01.900 making it no longer available to view without much of an explanation. Our own executive producer of this

00:45:08.620 show, Steve Krakauer has got another job where he writes a newsletter, which I love. And I highly

00:45:15.400 recommend to all of you called fourth watch. And he took a deep dive into what went down and is here

00:45:20.880 to help explain it. Steve, thanks for being on the show. Hey Megan, anytime. Absolutely. Yes. My,

00:45:26.620 my side did. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So, all right. So you set it up in the news letter. Very nice.

00:45:32.400 You talk about how, okay, the Democrats dispatched of this story in the media very nicely. January 6th,

00:45:37.900 this was January 6th, part two, despite the fact that the guy believed in Jesus,

00:45:42.020 he was Jesus for a year. And in little fairies, they were like, no, Trump can Trump caused it

00:45:47.780 January 6th. Right. It's like they had dispatched of this. Yeah, of course. Yes. The focus was not on

00:45:53.300 the blogs about how he's communicating with fairies and he has to build a wooden, you know,

00:45:57.520 space to get to communicate with his fairies. No, it was focused on certain blog posts, which had to do

00:46:02.620 with election integrity, election fraud, COVID, some of the other, you know, the QAnon talking points.

00:46:07.800 And they said, okay, well, that's what it is. Right-wing political violence again,

00:46:11.400 and, and move on, you know, that, and that really was how the story was for about six days

00:46:16.440 all the way up until Friday morning. Just to underscore it for our, for our audience,

00:46:20.420 as opposed to a homeless guy on drugs, who is reportedly in the country illegally,

00:46:26.060 thanks to California being a sanctuary state and San Fran being a sanctuary city breaks into a home.

00:46:32.140 And yet another evidence of crime run rampant in San Francisco. That's the other possible

00:46:37.220 narrative, right? Like, so that one, no, they dispatched of that and they settle on Jan 6th,

00:46:42.240 Republican messaging, and we're good. Okay, great. But then nasty little reporters like yours truly

00:46:49.020 and others started to ask more questions like, well, it doesn't make sense. Like we said on our show last

00:46:54.060 Monday, why would the police open up? Why would Paul Pelosi open up the door and look at the police

00:46:59.780 officers and the police officers are standing there and the defendant is like, all good. And

00:47:04.540 they're just standing there having a convo. And then they started arguing over the hammer. And then

00:47:08.940 the police jumped in and they, the guy hurt Paul Pelosi right in front of the cops, which jumped out

00:47:15.140 at us as odd. And we said, this smells funny and we want more facts. Others went further and jumped

00:47:20.940 into full conspiracy theory, which we did not. But the, the, the blowback has been no questions

00:47:27.300 should be asked. None. So we'll get to that in one second. Enter NBC, which is also a conspiracy

00:47:31.880 theorist as it turns out, because one of their very well-respected and trusted correspondents did

00:47:37.000 what? Yeah. Miguel Almaguer on Friday morning on the today's show, a very prominent perch. This was not,

00:47:42.620 you know, OAN or something that, that this was going on. It was on the today's show talking to Craig

00:47:47.140 Melvin gave a report on quote, new details that he had learned from several sources, uh, on what

00:47:53.400 happened when police arrived at the Pelosi residence. And he, he did reveal, I mean, we're

00:47:57.440 going to, we've got a SADA on it, but he's, he revealed some very interesting new information,

00:48:01.200 not jumping to conclusions and notably also making it very clear that the attack did, did happen.

00:48:07.140 Police witnessed an attack Pelosi when it was, you know, hit in the head with the hammer by

00:48:10.920 DePap. It was all, all of that is true. But the question is, what were these odd circumstances

00:48:15.260 that happened and some new also timeline questions as well, uh, that he put out there on Friday

00:48:20.700 morning. It started blowing up because the today's show tweeted it because they put it on their

00:48:23.820 website. It was, it was a story that, you know, as I would imagine anyone would be proud of because

00:48:28.860 it was new details on a very important story. That's that's in the news. He's California based

00:48:34.080 and thus presumably had the connections to to break such news. Here is just a little bit of the now

00:48:39.260 expired report. After a knock and announce the front door was opened by Mr. Pelosi. The 82 year

00:48:46.660 old did not immediately declare an emergency or tried to leave his home, but instead began walking

00:48:53.040 several feet back into the foyer toward the assailant and away from police. It's unclear if

00:48:59.520 the 82 year old was already injured or what his mental state was, say sources. According to court

00:49:06.100 documents, when the officer asked what was going on, defendant smiled and said, everything's

00:49:12.280 good. But instantaneously, a struggle ensued as police clearly saw David DePap strike Paul

00:49:19.440 Pelosi in the head with a hammer. Investigators have previously said Pelosi did not know DePap

00:49:26.460 when the 42 year old broke into his home. Why Pelosi didn't try to flee or tell responding

00:49:32.940 officers? He was in distress is unclear. Fear takes over. Fear freezes people. Law enforcement

00:49:39.680 officials tell us the bottom line here is this was a terrifying situation. We still don't know

00:49:44.060 exactly what unfolded between Mr. Pelosi and the suspect for the 30 minutes they were alone inside

00:49:49.720 that house before police arrived. Officials who were investigating this matter would not go into

00:49:54.900 further details about these new details. You point out, Steve, in your in your newsletter,

00:49:59.960 that timeline is important. Yes. So the timeline, we know that the phone call to the police took place

00:50:06.620 at 223 a.m. And we know police arrived at 231 a.m. We didn't really previously know when the supposed

00:50:13.640 intruder went into the house. We now know that it occurred, I guess, at 201 a.m. So there was a now

00:50:20.040 22 minute period where we know that there was interactions between Pelosi and the intruder before

00:50:25.080 the 911 call took place. That's not something that had previously been that delineated before

00:50:30.440 before this report. And we were all like those of us who are curious journalists had been asking

00:50:36.600 questions like and you outline these in your piece as well. How was Pelosi able to call 911 in the first

00:50:42.200 place? Why did the assault only happen after the police arrived, which is what we were asking last

00:50:46.060 week? How was Pelosi able to open the door for police while being essentially held hostage?

00:50:50.000 Why wasn't there a security system with an alarm that went off after the glass broke at the back

00:50:54.340 door when it was open to 2 a.m.? Instantly alerting the police to a break in. I would add why and how

00:51:00.040 was he able to leave the bathroom that he went in to call the police as well? Why didn't he run into

00:51:04.420 the arms of the cops when they opened when he opened the door and he saw police? Why didn't he run into

00:51:09.880 their arms? You know, they were right there. They have guns like all these are good questions.

00:51:14.780 And San Fran PD has been like, you're not getting the body cam footage. You're not getting security

00:51:20.860 cam footage and really has been holding the cards close to the vest. Yeah, exactly. And that last

00:51:27.500 point, the one about why did he when he opened the door? I mean, that was really, I think, the most

00:51:31.820 eye opening part of Miguel's report. Why didn't he once the police open the door? Because we now know

00:51:36.400 Pelosi himself opened the door for the police. Why didn't he just say, I'm being held hostage here

00:51:41.760 or run away? We don't know. And that was what was raised in the report. And that is, as we as you

00:51:46.760 mentioned a couple of times, that is what essentially we think caused NBC to, quote, expire this video,

00:51:53.560 not just delete the tweet that they had put out from the Today Show, but to literally remove it from

00:51:58.160 their website to where now when you go to that link, it says this video has been expired, which

00:52:03.140 is very rare. As you point as you point out the newsletter, it gets worse than that, because not

00:52:07.260 only did they delete it. And I said this Janisteen and I were actually talking about this over the

00:52:10.880 weekend. She's a star of today's show. I was saying what's what's weird about it is normally

00:52:16.900 if you realize you've made a mistake in a report at NBC, you would post here is how we were wrong.

00:52:22.920 We apologize for, you know, misstating the following facts. We got it wrong. And here's

00:52:28.000 a full clarification. They didn't do that. They did. They just said it wasn't up to NBC's reporting

00:52:33.180 standards. What does that mean? That sounds a lot to me as a reporter like Nancy Pelosi's office

00:52:38.720 called and yelled at them and they bent the knee. That's what you would say. That's how you would

00:52:43.440 cover it. So other reporters called NBC, including you, to try to get an explanation. And as your

00:52:50.140 newsletter makes clear, you say they're basically they tried to release a little to the inquiring

00:52:55.440 reporters and then they tried to launder information through willing reporters like The Washington

00:53:01.140 Post to try to get out more damaging information about their own report.

00:53:06.280 Exactly right. The the you as you mentioned, the editor's note said did not go up to reporting

00:53:10.860 standard. The quote that was given an NBC source, which I got, which The Washington Post, which CNN

00:53:15.120 got, is that a source for the story, a key source, the main source was deemed, quote, unreliable.

00:53:21.980 Unreliable is a really interesting word because I pressed NBC multiple times. What was inaccurate?

00:53:26.240 Was anything inaccurate? And it was very easy for you to say the report was inaccurate in this source

00:53:31.040 statement. They notably did not do that, only that the source was unreliable and that the report did

00:53:35.660 not meet reporting standards. So if there was anything wrong at all in the story, why didn't

00:53:41.180 they just say that in the actual, you know, in any of these these venues that they could have?

00:53:45.720 Instead, as you mentioned, in The Washington Post in particular, there's all of these unquoted,

00:53:50.880 unattributed explanations about, well, there were lots of inaccuracies that people think, well,

00:53:55.440 what were they? Why doesn't anyone say that if that's the case? They're not going on the record.

00:54:00.440 And I checked again this morning to say anything was inaccurate at this point. And the reporter

00:54:04.680 has gone completely quiet as well. Yeah. And Paul Farhi, who wrote it up in Washington Post,

00:54:09.960 clearly being given some background information on what a shitty reporter Miguel is, right? Because

00:54:14.620 they're throwing their reporter under the bus. He got it wrong. The things they won't say publicly,

00:54:18.620 they're kind of like it appears to be leaking to Paul Farhi of The Washington Post. He asked the

00:54:24.040 question, is he going to be disciplined? Good question. If he's this bad, if he screwed up this

00:54:29.480 badly on a story of this magnitude, let's see, what are they going to do to Miguel?

00:54:33.860 Well, and of course, they haven't answered that either yet. They haven't answered any of the other

00:54:37.820 questions. And you have to imagine some of this is the timing. You know, obviously, the election is

00:54:42.760 tomorrow. I don't think that this is a story that NBC wants to be paying a lot of attention to

00:54:47.080 from any of their angles right now, because the election is what they're trying to focus on.

00:54:53.060 And that's unfortunate, because I think that eventually we'll find out more about this story,

00:54:57.160 if at the very minimum, we find out what was wrong about Miguel's piece. You know, what was it? Just

00:55:01.420 let's find out. Why was it expired from the website? That's not going to be happening anytime

00:55:05.700 soon. It doesn't seem. And even despite all this. So you think like this is a good reason to ask

00:55:12.440 questions about what else is there? Why? Maybe the police, maybe it's as I kind of floated in

00:55:17.660 there. Maybe what happened is that the police are trying to kind of spin this because obviously they

00:55:21.780 didn't do their job that great because they actually witnessed the assault before the assault ever

00:55:26.940 happened. That's not great either. And the report sort of raises doubt and gives them a little bit

00:55:31.320 of deniability of, oh, well, we didn't really know it was Pelosi's house. We didn't really know

00:55:35.100 that's part of the story. We don't know any of that. And now everything just gets painted as

00:55:40.120 misinformation for even even daring to ask why we don't know more about this. What the

00:55:45.240 circumstances here. This is what I was trying to ask last week, how I said explicitly the the SFPD

00:55:50.380 has egg on its face because it was standing there within feet of these guys when the guy raised the

00:55:55.260 hammer and and slammed Paul Pelosi in the head requiring brain surgery. So that should not happen

00:56:01.420 with two police officers standing within arm's length of the of the assailant and the victim.

00:56:05.760 So why weren't they releasing the body cam footage and so on? These are the questions that we were

00:56:10.660 asking on this show. What does that get you? It gets you labeled a misinformation artist by the New

00:56:16.340 York Times, which instead of asking questions about this, trying to get more info, decided to do it to do

00:56:22.320 a big piece that hit, I think, today called how Republicans fed a misinformation loop about the

00:56:30.020 Pelosi attack. They say within hours of the brutal attack, activists and media outlets on the right

00:56:35.400 began circulating groundless claims, nearly all of them sinister and many homophobic, casting doubt

00:56:42.920 on what had happened. So first of all, fuck you, New York Times, for suggesting there was anything

00:56:47.200 sinister or homophobic about what we said. We said the San Francisco PD has egg on its face so you can

00:56:52.860 pound sand. Second of all, here's what I and several others, not just me. Here's what my alleged sin

00:56:58.340 was. And I quote, raised doubts that all facts were being disclosed. Steve, is this what the New

00:57:05.220 York Times has become? This is the only way they get to their 21 elected officials and prominent

00:57:11.100 media figures is by including things like asking questions about, hey, maybe we don't know all the

00:57:15.700 facts and including that, grouping that in with people that, yeah, sure, legitimately spread what

00:57:19.920 appears to be conspiracy theories. You know, this was staged. This was like a false flag attack.

00:57:24.520 They it's those are apples and oranges, obviously. And yes, the New York Times is just trying to paint

00:57:30.540 anything that is even a remote amount of skepticism as somehow misinformation. That is so damaging to

00:57:38.840 the credibility of the New York Times that, you know, I don't even think they get it. I don't even

00:57:43.120 think they get that people see this and think, what are they even talking about? It doesn't make any

00:57:47.060 sense. Right. Right. Again, it touches me as several others on here committed the same sin.

00:57:52.720 Michael Pete Hegseth is one raised doubts that all facts were being disclosed. I remember back in

00:57:58.580 the day when most reporters would approach stories like this, especially involving an elite hall of

00:58:03.800 power like the Pelosi household or the couple and say, all right, powerful people, rich people,

00:58:09.460 SFPD, they don't want to be embarrassed. Someone's spinning me. Someone's spinning me.

00:58:14.700 Right. The police. How about we just don't take the police department's word for things? I mean,

00:58:18.160 we've seen that in multiple stories a lot of times from places like the New York Times that would say,

00:58:22.420 oh, yeah, the New York or the police department would spin for their own narrative. That's

00:58:26.760 essentially what we were doing as well in this last week. That's now apparently misinformation.

00:58:32.160 Honestly, like maybe I should sue them. I should sue them for defamation. Guess what? I would win

00:58:37.020 because this is a total misstatement of what I did. But who the hell wants to be distracted by

00:58:42.400 that nonsense? It's more fun just to point out how dishonest they are. Steve, what a pleasure.

00:58:47.340 Go now, go back and do your real job. Bye.

00:58:49.620 Yeah. Yeah. We have an important segment coming up right now. Analysis of the main event. And that

00:58:54.100 is the midterms. Biden, Trump and Obama were all on the trail this this weekend in Pennsylvania

00:58:59.000 and throughout the country. But man, Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania. Will it make a

00:59:04.840 difference? Joining me now, Eliana Johnson, editor in chief of the Washington Free Beacon and Chris

00:59:09.960 Steyerwalt, contributing editor at the Dispatch, now also senior fellow at the American Enterprise

00:59:14.800 Institute. That's fun. And together they host the ink stained wretches podcast. Eliana, Chris,

00:59:20.640 welcome back to the show. Good to be with you. Do you care to comment on the ridiculousness of

00:59:25.400 the New York Times? What you just heard? I mean, this sin of reporters like yours truly literally

00:59:31.100 all I said was about this SFPD. They're not sharing all the info. It was none of this conspiracy stuff

00:59:35.360 about Paul Pelosi and his alleged relationship with the guy. And I and others are being accused of

00:59:40.460 raising doubts that all facts had been disclosed. This gets you labeled a misinformation artist

00:59:45.780 by the New York Times, guys. Now, I find it so interesting, Megan, that reporters are

00:59:51.940 they're supposed to question people in authority. And this piece is essentially sliming those who dare

01:00:01.620 to raise questions about what we don't know and of the narratives that we're getting from those in

01:00:06.720 authority. In this case, from the San Francisco Police Department, you talked a little bit about

01:00:11.460 what we've heard from them. And what we've gotten, frankly, is an incomplete picture of what happened

01:00:16.460 here. And the idea that raising questions and asking for a fuller picture of what actually went

01:00:21.200 on here. This is an important event that happened. It's important to the public. It's important to our

01:00:27.340 understanding of politics. And the idea that asking to know more or suggesting that we don't have a full

01:00:32.460 picture of it is akin to peddling disinformation or poisoning the politics, I think, is is far afield

01:00:40.860 and really undercuts what journalists are supposed to be out there doing. Yeah, it's crazy to me. I mean,

01:00:46.820 I I could see Salon doing a kind of piece like this. I you know that James Bennett came out after he got

01:00:54.080 canned by The New York Times for running the Tom Cotton piece and said they want to be Mother Jones,

01:00:58.520 which is a far left publication. And an article like this shows they're becoming Mother Jones.

01:01:04.020 And I realize to a lot of our listeners, there's no distinction between Mother Jones and The Times,

01:01:08.100 but there used to be. And it was an important distinction. And it's it's fading away by the

01:01:14.140 second. And it does matter. I it upsets me. All right, let's get to politics. Let's get to

01:01:18.720 Pennsylvania, Mr. Steyrwalt, where, OK, just looking at the latest real clear politics average of all

01:01:25.720 polling as of today. I think this is the latest. Hold on. This is the updated. It shows Oz up zero

01:01:35.360 point one, which is somewhat significant because he's been behind by, you know, little percentage

01:01:41.860 points all along. But now it shows him up zero point one. So where does that race stand in your

01:01:48.060 view right now? Well, I it stands as a total toss up and we don't know who is going to be coming out to

01:01:54.720 vote in what numbers and who has been coming out to vote in what numbers. We know this is an

01:01:58.360 extraordinarily high turnout election. We have lots of evidence in polling and also in the

01:02:04.140 participation in early and absentee voting that both parties are highly energized. Everybody's

01:02:09.380 turning out to vote. And these races are going to tip on a relatively small number of persuadable

01:02:14.820 voters. And in Pennsylvania, like in Georgia, a lot of those are going to be ticket splitters,

01:02:20.800 right? How many people who in Pennsylvania, the Republican gubernatorial candidate, Doug

01:02:25.980 Bastriano is sucking wind. He is the bottom fell out for him a while ago. Yeah. So Josh Shapiro is

01:02:33.580 riding high in Pennsylvania and seems like he is bound to keep the governor's mansion there blue.

01:02:39.580 How many of those folks?

01:02:40.940 How many of those folks are going to switch over and vote for Oz? How many of those folks are going

01:02:48.080 to stay on the Democratic column and vote for Fetterman? I guess here's how I would think about

01:02:53.400 Pennsylvania. And I would say the same about Georgia, Arizona and Nevada, which is there's

01:03:00.260 going to be a breeze. We don't know which direction the breeze is going to go. And most of the races,

01:03:05.580 and this is true in the House, too, are going to flop in the same direction. The polls will be wrong.

01:03:11.540 We don't know by how much and we don't know in which direction. And so we'll just be waiting for

01:03:16.760 those first votes to start coming in in Virginia and elsewhere to see what the climate is really like.

01:03:21.540 So for Pennsylvania, it's a toss up. It's a pure D toss up.

01:03:26.460 Meanwhile, Fetterman continues to give interviews and go out on the campaign trail, and he makes no more

01:03:31.640 sense than he made at that debate. In fact, I think you could make the case that he's getting

01:03:34.800 less sensible. Like, I don't even understand half of his soundbites. And I'm trying to. I'm trying

01:03:41.020 to give the guy a fair shot. I understand he's been through something traumatic. I'll give you

01:03:44.800 as one example. He gave an interview on CNN on Tuesday of last week. This one had escaped my

01:03:51.560 notice, but I bring it to you here. Listen. Well, let's talk about inflation, because that's a big

01:03:56.240 concern for voters. What do you think the biggest cause of inflation is? And should the Biden

01:04:00.680 administration be doing more? No, I just do. I think that simply is also we have to talk about

01:04:09.260 the trillions in massive tax cuts to the corporate tax structure as well. True. You know, trillions

01:04:17.900 of dollars that have added to the deficit. And now they still want to support those as well. True.

01:04:23.680 I think in terms of being very serious about addressing inflation is making sure that those

01:04:29.300 rates are brought back into a line with what they should have been, where they're able to

01:04:34.960 fight the deficit.

01:04:40.300 I'm just over. Did it stop? I can't. It's right. Sire Wolf, for the listening audience,

01:04:47.880 has got a face like he just had to eat a full lemon. It's not good. It's not good. It's upsetting.

01:04:54.520 So I have found an interesting new piece of notoriety, because I was the analyst on screen

01:05:04.480 after the Fetterman Oz debate. We hosted it at News Nation. And I said, it was hard to watch.

01:05:12.100 And of course, some Republican clip that into the first part of an ad that they put a bajillion

01:05:16.140 dollars behind around Pennsylvania. So I've gotten to hear from all my yinzer friends. I see you on TV

01:05:20.160 10 times a day. And it's hard to watch, right? John Fetterman is hard to watch. And your heart

01:05:27.600 goes out to the guy. You really feel for this person. And you understand how for his personal

01:05:31.860 narrative of redemption, and I'm going to fight my way back from this debilitating stroke, and I'm

01:05:36.320 going to do all this stuff. But if you have the doubts that were raised in that debate, you look at

01:05:42.660 that and you say, man, if Oz is just basically good enough, right? And you notice Oz had Susan Collins

01:05:48.860 in, and some other, and I say this without trying to be pejorative, squishy, moderate Republican,

01:05:57.020 to come in and campaign with him, to tell suburbanites in the Philly suburbs and in suburban

01:06:04.520 Pittsburgh, hey, I'll be okay. I'll be cool. You can cross over. You can vote for Shapiro and come

01:06:08.940 vote for me. Because with Fetterman doing this kind of sounding that way, it instills no confidence.

01:06:15.420 All right. Here's my question for you, Eliana. When I look at the pretty solid support for Fetterman

01:06:22.260 in the polls, even after the debate, it's not like he cratered. He did not collapse.

01:06:27.640 I wonder whether this is Republicans January 6th. Like, they're like, look, this is an issue.

01:06:36.280 For the love of God, would you listen to this guy? But the Democratic faithful in Pennsylvania are like,

01:06:41.640 eh, fine. He'll get over it. He looks like us. He kind of acts like us. And I can't relate to Dr.

01:06:49.520 Oz at all. I don't even understand what planet he's on with the crudités and the Wegners and the

01:06:54.000 drink and the wine at the tailgate. Like, I don't get it. And I don't care. I wonder whether it's

01:06:59.560 that. Like, you can get yourself as upset as you want about those weird soundbites. I'm still voting

01:07:03.200 for him. Well, a couple of things, Megan. We were joking around in the free vegan offices here and

01:07:08.460 somebody said, you know, Biden must have gone out to suburban Philly. Biden and former President

01:07:14.140 Barack Obama were out there this weekend because Biden makes Fetterman look good by comparison.

01:07:19.080 He's not exactly speaking in complete sentences.

01:07:22.780 So articulate.

01:07:24.180 You know, I think the question you ask is a good one. It's true. Like, it's amazing that Fetterman has

01:07:30.140 not cratered in the polls, but it does speak to the hyper-polarized environment that we live in,

01:07:35.320 where, you know, 40-some percent of voters are voting Democrat no matter who's on the ticket,

01:07:40.920 you know, literally in the case of Fetterman this time. And the same is true of on the Republican

01:07:46.380 side. There are very few persuadable voters. And to the question you raised, people were making this

01:07:52.260 argument about Fetterman after that disastrous debate performance. They were saying on Twitter,

01:07:57.120 like, don't look at what you're seeing in this debate. He's a reliable Democratic vote,

01:08:02.940 and he has a hand that is able that he is able to raise or like, you know, to push the button to

01:08:09.480 cast a Democratic vote. And that is all that matters. That was the narrative coming from top

01:08:15.460 Democrats in the wake of that debate. You know, the New York Times podcast, The Daily, they had an

01:08:20.800 interesting piece on the dynamic around Fetterman and how he's he's like what exactly what Dems were

01:08:25.480 looking for. Somebody who could get the white working class vote in Pennsylvania that had

01:08:29.360 previously voted Democrat but went for Trump. And they needed somebody who acted like them and

01:08:33.360 sounded like them and, you know, looked like them and dressed like them. But and that's Fetterman.

01:08:38.620 But he's pretty far left. Like he's not your he's not like a moderate Democrat. But you got to think

01:08:44.820 of those guys, you know, those guys sitting there and they're looking at Dr. Oz and they're like,

01:08:49.980 I mean, I like Dr. Oz. Don't get me wrong, but I can see why he's not resonating with them.

01:08:53.860 I'll give you an example. On the other side, here he is with his latest sort of elitist gaffe.

01:08:58.520 This is really more like he's not from Pennsylvania and they know it made a mistake

01:09:02.480 on the Steelers. I'll play the soundbite and I'll tell you what the mistake was. It's not eight

01:09:06.260 tomorrow morning when you awaken. I want you to contact 10 people, do it at church,

01:09:13.800 do it for the Steelers game. Just find the time. Here's the question you're going to ask them.

01:09:18.840 Oh, are you happy with the way America's going?

01:09:24.420 Chris knows what the mistake was. This was on Saturday. He said this. What was his mistake?

01:09:29.840 Steelers have a bye week. They lost the Eagles and they've got a bye week. They don't play again

01:09:34.360 until next week. Wow. And he did that in Latrobe. He did that in Latrobe, PA.

01:09:39.480 Fetterman tweeted it out immediately and he's like, the Steelers have a bye week, bro.

01:09:42.580 So can't do it, man. Can't do it. That's the thing. When the contest is over. Look,

01:09:48.940 if he were if these two were having a campaign for Upper West Side voters. Well, no, that doesn't

01:09:54.480 work. But anyway, here's the counterpoint. Here's the counterpoint, Megan. I think Fetterman would have

01:10:02.660 been really helped. He does look like a blue collar voter. He has that kind of attitude,

01:10:08.060 but he hasn't actually been able to articulate a coherent message because of his issues on the

01:10:14.360 issues like inflation and like crime that are resonant in this race. And if you listen to Oz,

01:10:21.320 though Oz has like a very John Kerry-esque, wooden, out of touch quality and bearing to him,

01:10:28.300 he has tried to portray Fetterman as the radical and Oz actually can deliver a message like he's able

01:10:33.680 to talk. And so I think Fetterman really has been hurt. His campaign has been hurt by his inability

01:10:39.100 to talk coherently about the issues that those blue collar voters he's trying to reach care about.

01:10:44.820 Let me offer one contrapoint to this, which is the Democrats had a really good nominee available to

01:10:50.940 them, Conor Lamb. Conor Lamb, the congressman from Western Pennsylvania, would be beating Dr. Oz soundly

01:10:57.540 if the Democrats had not given in to their emotionality and nominated Fetterman, who made

01:11:03.500 them feel good, right? He had an attractive narrative. It was different. He's not a guy in a

01:11:07.640 Brooks Brothers suit. He's something different and something special. And by the way, very progressive.

01:11:13.380 And what the argument Fetterman made in the Democratic primary was, we can't send the squishy

01:11:18.980 moderate to Washington. We need a bold progressive. And then after he had a stroke, the argument for him

01:11:26.440 going was the same, right? We have to have John Fetterman because somebody, if the Democratic

01:11:30.780 Executive Committee replaces him with Conor Lamb, button down Conor Lamb, it's no good for the

01:11:36.420 working families of Pennsylvania. We've got to stay in this fight. And the truth is, by the time he got

01:11:41.400 to that debate stage and subsequently, he sounds, he's saying the same kinds of stuff that Conor Lamb

01:11:47.040 would say, talking about getting the deficit under control, talking about his newfound love of fracking,

01:11:51.780 talking about law enforcement and the need to get crime under control. So the tragedy of this,

01:11:57.340 and what's really evil, and I use the word advisedly here, are the consultants who continue

01:12:03.400 to take millions of dollars to keep John Fetterman in this race, given from hardworking Americans,

01:12:11.200 when what they should have told him months ago was, we can't be part of this. I understand why you can't,

01:12:16.200 but the Democrats have a good candidate we can put on the ballot and win this race. And this is all

01:12:21.440 hubris and greed, and it's very sad. We can't be part of this. Exactly right. It would have been

01:12:26.580 such an interesting race if we had, well, what it was originally supposed to be. Okay, let me jump,

01:12:32.220 because I want to talk about, it's reported in Axios, the full report is also available,

01:12:36.400 and I printed it out a third way. The center-left think tank, backed by some of the biggest names in

01:12:41.540 Democratic politics, sounding the alarm, quoting now from Axios, sounding the alarm about deep-seated

01:12:46.960 party flaws, based on its own new polling from Senate battlegrounds. So I pulled the report

01:12:52.440 itself. This is not good. This is the Democratic introspective look a day in advance of the

01:12:58.220 midterm, saying we're screwed. They say if the Democrats manage to hold on to the House and

01:13:03.000 Senate, it will be in spite of the party brand, not because of it. This is what Third Way itself is

01:13:06.920 writing. Despite a roster of GOP candidates who are extreme by any standard, voters see Democrats

01:13:13.240 as just as extreme, as well as far less concerned about the issues that most worry them. They go on

01:13:20.020 to say they are seen as out of touch on priorities, out of touch ideologically, and out of touch on

01:13:28.120 values. Democrats are underwater on issues voters name as their highest priorities, including the

01:13:32.360 economy, immigration, crime, and voters question whether the party shares essential values like

01:13:38.120 patriotism and the importance of hard work. Even in areas where Democrats are trusted more,

01:13:44.440 including education, it is not clear that voters are sold on Democrats' approach or ability to get

01:13:50.120 things done. I find this fascinating. I agree with every word of it. I feel like we've been seeing

01:13:56.500 this. All my Democrat friends are complaining about all of this, and that's why they're ready to pull the

01:14:00.340 lever for Lee Zeldin in New York, a state that hasn't gone blue in 240 years. No, it hasn't gone

01:14:06.200 red. It has gone red. Not recently. So what do you make of the Third Way report, Starwalt?

01:14:13.280 It's correct, and it's tracking with Liz Smith had an op-ed in the Sunday New York Times saying

01:14:21.120 basically the same thing. You've got to match candidates with voters, right? This is something

01:14:27.920 Democrats used to understand, the Rahm Emanuel, DCCC era, certainly in the Bill Clinton era,

01:14:33.660 which is every district in every state needs a different kind of Democrat, and there can't be a

01:14:38.580 one-size-fits-all progressive utopian approach to politics. You've got to size it right for the state.

01:14:46.200 Joe Manchin works as a Democrat in West Virginia, doesn't work in Oregon. That's one of the things

01:14:52.400 about living in a republic. One of the other things, and I wrote about this in my column for today,

01:14:56.640 which is Democrats have been hectoring the American people that democracy is on the ballot,

01:15:04.100 and a vote for any Republican, speaking of how the New York Times did a category error and lumped

01:15:08.060 you in with kooks, that's what they did in their report on election denialism in the Republican Party.

01:15:14.420 They give away this huge report, 370 Republicans on the ballot this year, election denialism, blah,

01:15:21.340 blah, blah, blah, blah. You have to read two-thirds of the way through the story when it's like,

01:15:24.520 well, actually, fewer than a third of them are actually of the rank kind. Some of them were

01:15:29.100 people who said we should let the system work and had questions about mail-in ballots prior to

01:15:34.100 January 6, 2021, but they just put everybody together to make a bigger number. That kind

01:15:38.900 of approach and hectoring approach in trying to delegitimize Republicans and saying there's no

01:15:42.500 difference between Carrie Lake and Susan Collins, right? It's all just one party. Everybody's

01:15:50.920 exactly the same. And they're all election deniers. Democrats think that American voters believe in

01:15:56.300 them and have high confidence in them. Look at the Gallup numbers of this. 35%. The two parties

01:16:02.280 are tied. The American people have 35% approval for both of these parties, not good guys. And

01:16:08.620 Democrats need to understand where they are with voters and who they are really, really.

01:16:13.500 And this onlook, Eliana says, most of these voters, because they're polling Democrats,

01:16:17.280 Republicans, and independents. This is not just them polling Democrats. And they're saying most

01:16:20.860 people ideologically fall, you know, I always talk about it too, between like a one and a 10,

01:16:25.160 or this was zero to 10. Zero is like the far left libs. The 10 is the far left conservatives.

01:16:30.940 And they say most of these people would average out to a 5.8. And this Democrat report acknowledges

01:16:36.080 the country's center right. It's 5.8. And that they do see Democrats as extreme and they see the

01:16:41.660 Republicans as extreme, but they are closer. They think the Republicans are less extreme than they think

01:16:46.860 the Democrats are. They see themselves as more closely aligned with the Republicans. And then

01:16:51.800 they do care greatly about inflation, about the economy, about immigration, about crime. They are

01:16:59.740 against Biden's student loan forgiveness. They think the Democrat party is too woke and too preachy

01:17:07.640 by majorities. So this is like their own, what was her name? Jackie Spanberger moment. You know,

01:17:14.000 remember she was the Virginia Democrat. It was like, what are we talking about? Defund the police.

01:17:18.420 We're going to get killed. Right. In any event. So this is them saying all that. And Starwalt makes

01:17:24.880 the point about crime. And this point's making the point they care about crime. Like this is a real

01:17:29.780 issue. Stop talking about fucking democracy. Just make a point about you're going to live and your

01:17:35.960 family's going to live. Listen to what Bill Clinton, the off message, had to say about this this past

01:17:43.600 weekend. 18.

01:17:46.020 Lisa, she makes it, he makes it sound like Kathy Hoagle gets up every morning, goes to the various

01:17:53.680 subway stop and hands out billy clubs and baseball bats. Everybody gets on the subway.

01:18:02.220 And for the listening audience, he said, well, he meaning Zeldin. And then he made like big muscle

01:18:16.740 arms. Is this as if we Zeldin just to correct Abigail Spanberger, not Jackie. So they're not

01:18:22.300 getting it. Their party is telling them, please try to get it. Please get on message. It's not happening.

01:18:27.080 Right. I think the bigger question, the third way analysis is, you know, is obviously on point. But

01:18:34.000 the bigger question is, will anybody in the Democratic Party listen? And it's funny that

01:18:38.700 you mentioned Abigail Spanberger, who your reference was to what she told her colleagues

01:18:43.740 after Republicans made far bigger gains than expected in 2020 in congressional races. And she

01:18:49.980 told them, stop talking about defunding the police. You know, there have been voices who have

01:18:55.820 tried to speak up and they have not, you know, their calls for moderation have not really been

01:19:01.920 heeded. The other person who comes to mind is David Shore, the progressive data analyst who worked in

01:19:07.180 the Obama, who worked on President Obama's campaigns, who has tried to tell his fellow Democrats that they

01:19:13.880 are perceived as radicals and need to rein it in. But it doesn't seem to me that the powers that be in

01:19:18.980 the party, be they in the Biden White House or in Senate leadership or in House leadership, have been

01:19:27.260 able to quiet the younger and more voluble left wing flank of the party that, by the way, controls a lot

01:19:35.600 of district attorney's offices who control crime all over, you know, who have a lot of say over how crime

01:19:41.460 is handled and prosecuted all over the country and many others at the state level. You played a clip of

01:19:47.840 Bill Clinton campaigning for Governor Kathy Hochul and mocking voters concerns about crime. That's

01:19:54.280 not going to be helpful, I don't think, in in that race. But the far bigger question to me is,

01:20:00.780 is there an audience ready to hear this message in the party? Then is the message correct?

01:20:05.700 That's a very good question, because the reason when I flew back from Detroit, I flew in last night

01:20:10.920 and our our airport bags, they got to the long story. I did carry on for those who are worried about my

01:20:15.880 air plants, luggage disaster. But then it's a long story. It had to come through the luggage

01:20:21.160 terminal delivery thing. Anyway, we're standing there. We've got 45 minutes extra delayed because

01:20:26.740 Biden was landing. Why was Biden landing? Because he was going to Yonkers to give a speech, I think,

01:20:31.620 at Sarah Lawrence. Why is he doing that on behalf of Governor Hochul to keep her job? Because they have

01:20:37.140 no young people who are excited by this Democratic Party. They're already like the numbers amongst

01:20:41.600 Democrats in terms of enthusiasm and the young people are at terrifyingly low levels. So you

01:20:47.520 raise a good question. What would happen if they went out there and told him the truth? What if they

01:20:51.180 actually said all the stuff that Third Way is telling them to say? I don't know that the numbers would go

01:20:55.400 up, Chris. Well, I mean, there's also another reason why Joe Biden was campaigning at Sarah Lawrence

01:21:02.060 College. It's he can't do any harm there. The places where I mean, they sent Kamala Harris to campaign in

01:21:09.340 Boston. Now, if they send you if you're a Democrat and they send you to Boston before a midterm

01:21:15.580 election, this is not a vote of confidence. This is not your party saying you got it. You are you're

01:21:20.840 a powerhouse game changer. They've been looking for places to put Biden to keep him busy and do

01:21:27.400 stuff in races that are that are lost like Florida. Right. You know, Val Deming is going to lose.

01:21:34.360 Rick Scott is not Rick Scott. Charlie Chris. Charlie Chris is going to set a record. I believe he is the

01:21:40.760 only person to have lost statewide office under three different party banners as a Democrat, a Republican

01:21:48.380 and an independent. So congratulations, Charlie Chris. Yeah, you've done it. But Sarah Lawrence College

01:21:54.780 ain't a hotbed of nothing except for probably a lot of the woke, you know, overeducated, blah, blah, blah. So this is

01:22:02.540 kind of stashing Biden someplace so that he can feel busy. Yeah. So this is not the place to walk in,

01:22:07.960 though, and say we've really got to secure the border. We need to fund the police. We've got to

01:22:12.560 get rid of this no cash bail nonsense. We've got this is not. Yeah, I get it. And the thing is that

01:22:18.100 Biden, when he was in his prime, could carry that message. I mean, he mangled it frequently, but he

01:22:24.860 could carry it. And the reason that he was on the Democratic ticket in 2008 was because voters like

01:22:30.560 that people who John Fetterman says that he can reach in Pennsylvania, people that Lee Zeldin says

01:22:35.840 he can reach in New York, the middle of the middle class, a lot of white working class voters in the

01:22:42.080 country believed Joe Biden, and he had a message that he could carry. But a lot of the story of his

01:22:47.340 struggles and the Democrat struggles in this cycle are about a wasted year and a half that Biden engaged

01:22:54.660 in sucking up to the progressive left in his party, trying to get re-nominated in 2024 and

01:23:01.500 trying to appease people who are never going to be appeased. They will not be appeased.

01:23:07.180 Yeah, they will never be appeased. Chris Dierwald has an interesting prediction about what is likely

01:23:11.960 to happen to Joe Biden on Wednesday. On Wednesday, that is where we will pick it up after a very quick

01:23:16.760 break and a quick return. Eliana and Chris, stay with us. Before we go to predictions and so on,

01:23:24.540 I want to ask you about New York. So interesting. So many big names coming to New York State.

01:23:31.900 Trafalgar has Zeldin up by one, but another poll has her up by a lot, like nine. I can't remember

01:23:38.580 style. But is New York, is this a Lucy with the football situation or does Zeldin actually have a

01:23:43.920 chance? So you know the truth that these races are all interconnected, right? That there is going

01:23:51.920 to be a temperature in the country that is somewhere between a... Maybe think of it this way. There are

01:23:59.600 possibilities for a Republican real wave wave. That's the best case scenario for Republicans is

01:24:05.760 a wave wave. But then there's a ripple that flips enough just over the edge, right? They win a bunch of

01:24:12.300 close races with a little breeze behind them. So a ripple that gets them a bunch of seats and a

01:24:17.560 majority in the Senate. And then there's the converse on the other side for Democrats. Which of those

01:24:24.900 scenarios will tell us a lot? Now, New York has a different story to tell. Because in the case of New

01:24:32.740 York, there isn't another big race on the ballot, right? There isn't some Senate race that's driving the

01:24:37.640 discussion. And yes, there are certainly competitive house races in New York, no doubt. But New York

01:24:42.740 City doesn't have anything to go vote for, right? There isn't... Their issues, of course, are settled

01:24:47.500 in the primaries. So this isn't an election that really involves New York City. So weird stuff can

01:24:55.260 happen. I would say that Hochul is favored. I would give her the edge, but not by much. And it

01:25:03.820 wouldn't take much of a good Republican climate to put Zeldin in.

01:25:09.520 Eliana, nobody voted for her. I mean, she's lieutenant governor, was and now is the governor.

01:25:15.020 But nobody voted for her. I think that the New York Democrats would be much more motivated if

01:25:18.980 Andrew Cuomo were still on the ballot. I realize they got rid of him and supported that and the

01:25:22.620 whole thing. But speaking of Janice Dean again. But she's just not... She's not an Obama.

01:25:28.340 She's not a Cuomo. She's totally uninspiring. She's pretty wooden. And there's something

01:25:35.760 happening in New York. Like you see the Zeldin signs everywhere. I went upstate New York to visit

01:25:41.300 my mom everywhere. And, you know, we're in the suburbs of Albany, which is blue. Most of upstate

01:25:46.900 New York is largely red. Albany's blue. So I don't know. I feel like something could happen for him

01:25:53.140 tomorrow, notwithstanding that latest poll that showed her way ahead. I do think she's struggling

01:25:58.380 from never having been at the top of the ticket before. She doesn't have the political skills,

01:26:03.940 obviously, of somebody who's run an intense, high-profile race. And that's clear. And the

01:26:09.500 other thing I think she's really suffering from is being a Democrat in New York, where you don't

01:26:14.900 really face formidable Republican opponents too often. And she clearly, and you can hear it in her

01:26:20.820 campaign messages. And in the messages of the surrogates, you played Bill Clinton coming to

01:26:25.300 some for her. They're not used to running in highly competitive races. And I think the whole

01:26:30.820 infrastructure of the state reflects that. And she's on her back heels as a result of both of

01:26:35.960 those things. It's tough when, you know, every other day someone's getting shoved in front of a

01:26:39.640 subway train. Like, this is fine. You're good. No, enjoy New York. Love the Big Apple. Okay. So we,

01:26:46.880 at the top of the hour, we were joined by Tiffany Smiley in Washington State and Tudor Dixon,

01:26:53.300 who's running for governor in Michigan. I'll ask your take on those two races, Chris. Do you think

01:26:57.760 either one of those women has a real chance? Well, certainly a better chance in Michigan.

01:27:03.980 Whitmer has been divisive. Whitmer and Michigan is a lot more Republican in its demographic makeup

01:27:12.060 than Washington is. And so I'll put it this way. We're talking about waves. For the wave to be

01:27:18.160 strong enough to take out Patty Murray in Washington, the Republicans would have, they'd be

01:27:25.380 looking at 57 seats, 58 seats, because there's a lot of other states that would have come, there's a lot

01:27:31.200 of other races that would come in before that one. That is a big reach.

01:27:34.880 Yeah. And I don't think the Republicans are heading for a veto-proof or a filibuster-proof

01:27:43.420 majority in the Senate. I don't think so. But in Michigan, look, here's the thing. Voters treat

01:27:49.960 gubernatorial races, and this is true in New York, and it's true in Michigan. It's true in a lot of

01:27:54.520 places. Vermont, Massachusetts, and Maryland, very Democratic states, all have Republican governors.

01:28:01.260 Why? Because voters are able to disassociate their votes on state issues from federal issues.

01:28:08.640 They don't mind sending a kook to Washington, right? They don't mind sending a weirdo to

01:28:12.240 Washington because it gets them out of their hair. But then when they say, oh, I got to deal with this

01:28:17.700 person, this person's going to be in charge of making sure the snowplows run and the schools open

01:28:21.840 and all of that stuff, it's a different thing. So there is an opportunity here for Republicans.

01:28:26.920 I think Tudor Dixon has a chance. I would favor Whitmer, certainly. But I think she's got a chance

01:28:32.420 depending on whether it's a ripple or a wave. Right. Are we talking title? Are we talking just

01:28:38.060 a great wave for surfing? Or are we talking a little ripple that you would even let your toddler

01:28:41.520 swim in? Or nothing at all? Maybe it's going to be nothing at all. I doubt that, though.

01:28:45.600 So, Elia, what do we think in terms of like last week, the week before, the trend started to go

01:28:50.220 heavily toward Republicans, the Democrats' advantage that they'd built up over the summer

01:28:53.700 after Dobbs in the wake of the Trump Mar-a-Lago stuff. They were doing so much better. Then we

01:28:59.340 get to September and the bottom fell out so far. You know, one day before the election,

01:29:03.920 I don't see a trend the other way. I don't think the Paul Pelosi thing like nothing in advance of

01:29:09.740 this election day has shifted the tide back to blue. Or am I missing something?

01:29:16.240 I think that's right. And just to piggyback on what you and Chris were talking about,

01:29:21.820 about these races in Michigan and Washington State, one of the things I think is really

01:29:26.360 interesting is that Republicans struggled with candidate quality, which is why you heard a lot

01:29:32.020 of downbeat Republicans in June, July, August. You know, I think they thought Dr. Oz wasn't the

01:29:39.240 greatest candidate. Blake Masters wasn't the greatest candidate in Arizona and worried that

01:29:44.380 races they considered winnable were now imperiled. One of the really interesting things is they

01:29:50.180 fielded fantastic candidates for these really rich seats. I would include Tiffany Smiley out in

01:29:56.100 Washington, who put seats on the map that like we would have never even been talking about in a

01:30:00.060 normal year. And the other one I would mention is Joe O'Day in Colorado. That's a really difficult

01:30:05.140 race. But the candidate quality in some of these like very high level of difficulty races for

01:30:10.980 Republicans is really quite good. And I would keep keep an eye on those seats because the candidates

01:30:16.080 are better in those seats and in some of the tightest races. And I think that will be an

01:30:21.140 interesting dynamic to watch tomorrow. All right. Now, Star. Well, what happens on Wednesday if the

01:30:25.920 red wave comes title surfer or toddler can swim in the ocean? Yeah. Any one of those? What happens to

01:30:31.000 Biden? Well, I mean, look, they're going to blame Joe Biden. And that's that's a fact because they were not

01:30:40.080 happy with him in the first place. And they were blaming him in the springtime when they were

01:30:45.580 unhappy. They'll blame him again. And he's going to have some very hard choices to make. He's a proud

01:30:50.660 man. And he's going to have some very hard choices to make. He says he's determined that he wants to

01:30:55.160 run again. But he hasn't made a final decision. But if Democrats take a shellacking, if they if they

01:31:00.560 get mounted, it's going to be hard for him to convince his party that he's the guy he's going to he's

01:31:06.120 going to run. He's going to be run right out of town and run right. And it's not going to be the

01:31:11.560 run he expects. Last question. Trump, Ron DeSantis, Ron DeSantis fans didn't like it. Trump

01:31:19.640 reportedly, I take it with a huge grain of salt because it comes from Gabe Sherman, who, in my

01:31:23.500 experience at Fox, 50 percent of the time was right on the money. 50 percent of the time was completely

01:31:27.760 making shit up. But he's saying that that Trump that DeSantis has been telling donors he will not

01:31:35.720 challenge Trump if Trump runs, that if Trump runs, he will not. So what do you make of Ron DeSantis

01:31:40.420 demonious and Trump seeing to try to elbow Ron out of this thing? I think DeSantis would be a

01:31:47.880 formidable opponent for Trump. And he's tough. He's smart and he's disciplined. And it would be quite

01:31:55.180 a race. And Trump knows it. And I think the reason he's under his skin is because of that.

01:31:59.760 All right. I got to leave it at that because I got to I got to run. But it was always it's always

01:32:03.200 been a pleasure and it will continue to be a pleasure. And I thank you both.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - November 07, 2022

Fetterman's Faults, and Tomorrow's Red Wave, Plus Tiffany Smiley and Tudor Dixon on Their Potential Upsets ｜ Ep. 428

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