The Megyn Kelly Show - Fetterman Truth Coming Out, and Overcoming Cultural Focus on Race, with Victor Davis Hanson and Patrick Bet-David

00:00:00.000 today on The Megyn Kelly Show. This has to be the worst example of absurd pandering I've seen

00:00:08.300 from a president in a while. I want to speak to the one branch of your massive news organization

00:00:14.060 that addresses the problems of Black Americans only. And not to Brett Baer, one of the most

00:00:21.960 respected news people in the country, and a good guy who would give him a tough but fair interview.

00:00:27.440 Because why? Because he works at the same place that Hannity and Tucker work? Man up,

00:00:34.580 President Biden, man up. And Kareem Jean-Pierre comes out to say,

00:00:38.060 we were perfectly prepared to sit with Fox soul. We're just not going to do it with

00:00:43.760 anyone from the Fox News. I mean, I can't believe it. This is just ridiculous beyond parody.

00:00:51.060 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:57.440 Hey, everyone. I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Happy Friday. Senator John

00:01:08.260 Fetterman is still in the hospital. Third day now. And despite his spokesperson and his wife

00:01:14.500 claiming there's nothing to see here, we're getting the truth about his condition. We swear. Well,

00:01:19.740 are we? I don't know. The New York Times is actually now trying to tell the truth, it appears,

00:01:25.580 about Fetterman's health now that he's in the hospital. Now that he's been elected and he's

00:01:30.920 in the hospital after a month of serving as the United States senator, the New York Times has taken

00:01:37.460 an interest in actually probing the severity of his condition. We'll get to that in one second. Plus,

00:01:43.480 at this moment, the FBI searching Vice President Mike Pence's house for more classified documents.

00:01:48.900 Yes, the story that will never end. So glad to be joined on this newsy afternoon by one of our

00:01:55.840 favorites, Victor Davis Hanson, author of The Dying Citizen and Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution.

00:02:03.180 Victor, great to have you back. So let's start with Fetterman. It's really remarkable just looking

00:02:08.440 at this piece on them. It only took him winning and then being hospitalized for the New York Times

00:02:16.040 to come clean on exactly what seems to be going on there. His adjustment, this is quoting,

00:02:22.660 his adjustment to serving in the Senate has been made vastly more difficult by the strains of his

00:02:27.720 recovery, which left him with a physical impairment and serious mental health challenges that have

00:02:33.340 rendered the transition extraordinarily challenging, even with the accommodations that have been made

00:02:40.500 to help him adapt. His chief of staff is quoted as saying what you're supposed to do to recover from

00:02:47.180 this, meaning this stroke that almost killed him in May, is to do as little as possible. And he has done

00:02:53.260 quite the opposite. He's being monitored, we're told, for seizures. They believe they've ruled out

00:02:59.880 a second stroke. But we had a doctor on yesterday talking, Victor, about how the fact that he had both

00:03:07.740 a pacemaker and a defibrillator implanted after that stroke is alarming and tells us that this may have

00:03:15.060 been a lot more complex than they let on. They have never released his medical records. We've never heard

00:03:20.240 from a cardiologist. We've only heard from a general care physician that he was, quote, fit to serve. And now

00:03:27.460 we're on day three of a hospital stay that we still probably won't get the medical records on.

00:03:33.900 And now the man is Senator John Fetterman. What do you make of it?

00:03:38.920 Well, it's kind of analogous to how they view Joe Biden. Joe Biden had cognitive challenges.

00:03:44.400 Everybody knew that. He campaigned in a 19th century style in his basement. And his role was to get them

00:03:51.440 across the finish line and turn over his agenda to the hard left. And now you're starting to see a

00:03:57.060 little leaking about Joe's cognitive problems from people within the administration. Same thing

00:04:02.300 was through a Fetterman. His role was to get elected. It's far more rigorous to campaign than

00:04:06.980 it is to be a U.S. senator. So if he can't be a U.S. senator and he couldn't campaign, they knew this the

00:04:14.820 entire time. And anybody who voiced concern was accused of ableism. You remember that, that you

00:04:20.580 were deprecating the health of somebody who was impaired. And then there's the other thing is the

00:04:26.920 asymmetry of it all. When Donald Trump got in that exchange with Kim Jong-il about the buttons and

00:04:35.580 nuclear weapons, they said he was crazy. And all of a sudden we had Rod Rosenstein and Andrew McCabe

00:04:41.800 apparently wearing a wire or were going to, to entrap the president to prove that he should be

00:04:47.460 removed. We had Rosa Brooks in foreign policy calling for either a coup or a 25th Amendment

00:04:53.160 removal of Donald Trump because he wasn't fit cognitively. They had this bandy, remember Hurley,

00:05:00.000 the Yale psychiatrist that they dragged up to Congress. And then she testified that there should

00:05:06.140 be an intervention, straight jacket, remove Donald Trump. And it got so bad, finally, he had to take

00:05:11.400 the Montreal cognitive assessment by his doctor, Ronnie Jackson. And of course he aced it. And so

00:05:18.220 when it turns, it's just the same thing that we've seen the entire time. Donald Trump has to be

00:05:24.300 subject to all these things with a mere inference. We even had the chairman of the Joint Chiefs call his

00:05:29.260 Chinese counterpart to say, Donald Trump may be kind of crazy if he orders me to do something I don't

00:05:35.440 like in the DEFCON 5 or something, then I will call you in advance. So they're very sensitive about

00:05:42.600 cognitive abilities and leadership, except when it applies to them. So I think they think there's a

00:05:48.460 Republican governor now in Pennsylvania, I mean, a Democratic governor in Pennsylvania,

00:05:52.520 and Fetterman did his job. He got elected, and now that the governor can appoint somebody

00:06:00.020 who's more effective. Right. You're exactly right. So now the New York Times is totally fine

00:06:06.260 reporting on the severity of his condition because they know the seat's secure. It doesn't have to

00:06:11.820 be John Fetterman. Look at him. He's a disaster. Let's get somebody else in there. Let's make it

00:06:15.760 his wife. Let's do somebody. But yeah, we admit the guy's not fit to serve. They didn't say it in

00:06:20.200 those words, but they're talking about... Yeah, well, they don't want him... Yeah, go ahead.

00:06:24.880 I don't think they want him ill and then not resigning. So when a very close Senate,

00:06:30.780 they don't want him saying in hospital and say, no, this is my Senate seat. I'm not going to

00:06:35.280 give it up, but he has to be there in person to vote. And so in some cases, if a Joe Manchin

00:06:41.000 defected or something, the margin's so thin that they don't want to take that chance,

00:06:45.920 that he might be unable to physically get into the Senate and cast a vote. I'm recalling Pete

00:06:53.240 Wilson once when he had a ruptured appendix, they dragged him in, remember, on a gurney to vote in

00:06:57.400 person. They needed that one vote. And so I think they're really worried that he just got elected.

00:07:03.100 He doesn't want to give up his seat. And they want to build a case that it's time for him to

00:07:07.940 vote. He did his duty. And they want somebody that's more hail and would be there in person for

00:07:13.600 every vote. And they can't count on him to do that. Here's some more color from the piece,

00:07:18.180 just in case our listening audience had any doubt about what you're saying. Again, this is the New

00:07:23.580 York Times. The latest health scare convinced his staff that Mr. Fetterman needs a better plan to

00:07:28.580 take care of himself, both physically and emotionally. Aids and confidence describe his

00:07:34.520 introduction to the Senate as a difficult period filled with unfamiliar duties that are taxing for

00:07:40.540 someone still in recovery. The beginning of the piece went through all the accommodations they're

00:07:44.580 having to make for this guy all over the Senate. The most evident disability is a neurological

00:07:49.560 condition that impairs his hearing. He suffers from auditory processing issues. The hearing issues

00:07:55.180 are inconsistent. They often get worse when he is in a stressful or unfamiliar situation. When it's bad,

00:08:01.180 Fetterman has described it as trying to make out the muffled voices of the teacher in the

00:08:05.040 Peanuts cartoon whose words could never be deciphered. Then they go on to say that the

00:08:10.020 stroke, which of course led to a pacemaker and a defibrillator being implanted, also took a less

00:08:15.300 apparent but very real psychological toll on Mr. Fetterman. It's been less than a year since the

00:08:21.640 stroke transformed him from someone with a large stature that suggested machismo into a physically

00:08:26.680 altered version of himself. He's frustrated at times. They go on to say he has come to terms with the

00:08:31.600 fact that he may have set himself back permanently by not taking the recommended amount of rest during

00:08:36.720 the campaign. And he continues to push himself in ways people close to him worry are detrimental.

00:08:43.260 I mean, this is about as close as the New York Times will ever get to saying he can't do the job.

00:08:48.780 Yeah. And everything they wrote was visible in the debate with Dr. Oz. Everybody said that he was

00:08:54.380 deer in the headlights. It's kind of tragic that they put him in that situation. But a lot of us wrote

00:08:59.480 that that was pretty much prima facie evidence that he was non-composimentus. And when you wrote

00:09:06.780 that, people got very angry. Anybody who wrote that was considered cruel and unfair and that his

00:09:12.940 debate performance wasn't that bad. And maybe it was a draw. And you could have used every word the

00:09:19.460 New York Times just wrote to characterize how he performed in the debate. Everybody knew that.

00:09:24.680 And the New York Times has lost all credibility. It's just simply an extension. It's fused with the

00:09:32.580 Democratic Party. And that's tragic, too. But you can't believe anything it says at any given time.

00:09:40.520 Do you remember the fierce backlash against the NBC reporter Dasha Burns, who interviewed him and said

00:09:47.420 he had auditory processing issues and he had comprehension issues and he wasn't speaking correctly,

00:09:52.640 even in the in the small talk leading up to the interview and the pile on, Victor. I mean,

00:09:58.380 the one I remember in particular was Kara Swisher, who was like, who is this moron? Essentially saying

00:10:03.720 this kind of thing about, you know, one of this respected man who obviously has had minor issues.

00:10:08.460 I interviewed him. He was just fine. Here's what she said. Sorry to issue. This is Kara Fisher at the

00:10:12.640 time. Sorry to say, but I talked to John Fetterman for over an hour without stop and or any AIDS.

00:10:18.180 And this is just nonsense. Maybe this reporter is just bad at small talk. Well, maybe Kara Swisher

00:10:24.200 needs to go talk to the place she used to write for New York Times and figure out why they're now

00:10:29.880 saying it's severe and that he's not handling his responsibilities well in the Senate. He pushed it

00:10:35.420 too far and too fast. And there are real questions about whether he's capable of doing the job. Where is

00:10:40.160 this Dasha Burns going to go for her apology? Nowhere. And you know what's funny about that is that

00:10:46.040 they accused the other reporter of on professionalism for disclosing what was

00:10:50.940 supposed to be pre-interview chat that was quote unquote off the record. And then the person who

00:10:57.360 was trying to refute that was off the record and saying, I talked to him. It wasn't in a formal

00:11:01.760 interview. It was chit chat. So she was using chit chat as a legitimate way of refuting somebody who

00:11:07.760 had remarked about chit chat, but that was unprofessional. If it was negative, it's only

00:11:12.740 professional if it's positive. Everything about him is so about the Times reporting and in general,

00:11:19.140 the Washington Post, NPR is so asymmetrical. And that was, I guess that was one of the

00:11:24.740 contributions that Trump did inadvertently that he reminded everybody that we don't have

00:11:30.700 a media in the traditional sense of the disinterested word. It doesn't exist anymore.

00:11:36.320 I'm just looking at some more of this. These are some of the people who came out. Okay.

00:11:42.000 Just, just as a reminder, you know, we like to keep the receipts. Rebecca Traster of New York

00:11:46.580 Magazine and the Cut tweeted, she had recently interviewed Fetterman, found his comprehension

00:11:51.120 not at all impaired. He understands everything. It's just that he reads it

00:11:55.160 and responds in real time. And I mentioned the Kara Swisher, Molly Jung Fast, another journalist and

00:12:01.520 podcast host. She too recently interviewed Fetterman. He understood everything I was saying. He was

00:12:05.800 funny. New York Times correspondent, Jonathan Martin tweeted, it was a rough clip for Fetterman.

00:12:11.840 Oh, he actually was on the other side and will only fuel questions about his health.

00:12:15.460 And we could go on from there. So all these people run to, you know, cover for him pre-election

00:12:21.260 Victor, because they need that seat. They need that seat. And it is similar to the Biden situation where

00:12:26.920 now with 60 plus percent of Democrats saying they want someone else, you start to see a revival of

00:12:35.980 the reports about whether Biden's capable of handling a second term. Right. And then you start

00:12:41.800 to see hit pieces by the New York Times on Kamala Harris. Got to get rid of her too. Now the truth

00:12:46.620 comes out, which we've seen all along, which is, of course, Biden can't handle a second term. And

00:12:50.740 Kamala Harris is not their answer either. I think everybody said when Joe Biden was on the debate

00:12:57.840 platform during the primaries, everybody, I mean, people on the debate stage that were Democrats,

00:13:03.380 I think Cory Booker said, I don't know what he's talking about at one point, because he was so

00:13:08.100 incoherent. And then when he announced after George Floyd, I guess it was that he was going to select

00:13:15.860 a female African-American vice president candidate. A lot of us said, well, he's got cognitive

00:13:22.480 problems. And then there doesn't happen to be a lot of national African-American women that are

00:13:29.140 governors or senators from the traditional pool in which you select a vice president. And the ones that

00:13:35.180 there are, such as Kamala Harris, are not qualified. And so we could see this train wreck building that he

00:13:42.660 was going to, at some point, there were going to be really questions about whether he could continue.

00:13:47.220 And then people were going to look at Kamala Harris and say, you know, there's nothing that she's ever

00:13:50.820 done in her entire career that's impressive. She has no record of achievement whatsoever.

00:13:57.540 And she's not able to really articulate any position. And she got no delegates. She was before

00:14:03.800 the public for months with a well-funded campaign. She didn't win the single delegate. The people

00:14:09.780 rejected her at the polls. But that was another big con. And if you said something about Joe Biden's

00:14:14.860 mental health, then you would consider ableist. So I think it's a good reminder to everybody that

00:14:23.580 all of these isms and ologies that the left employs, they're not to be taken seriously. It's

00:14:29.500 about power. And whatever the particular ends is, they will make any means necessary to get there

00:14:35.140 and have euphemisms or new vocabulary, but they don't really believe it.

00:14:40.220 And if Fetterman is ill or Fetterman is healthy, it's not really predicated in what his actual

00:14:47.600 status is as far as the left is. They will make the necessary adjustments depending on whether you

00:14:52.500 want him to get elected or you want him to continue or not. And then that's what they do.

00:14:57.120 Right. It's like, oh, you can't you can't say he's not to fit to fit to serve. Only we can say

00:15:01.820 he's not fit to serve. You guys need to be quiet until we decide we're done with Biden and Kamala

00:15:06.880 and Fetterman. We will be the arbiters of that. Meanwhile, you can see the irony, Victor, of the

00:15:12.920 fact that, you know, Dr. Oz and I realize he had trouble, some trouble relating to the folks there.

00:15:17.140 But Dr. Oz is a very smart guy. He's a cardiothoracic surgeon. This guy, he's sitting out there

00:15:24.260 not doing this job. And and Fetterman was got a defibrillator and a pacemaker and is

00:15:31.500 incapable of serving right now. Third day in the hospital without releasing any of the real

00:15:36.120 information. Never heard from his cardiologist like the the choice that Pennsylvanians had

00:15:41.040 in terms of somebody who was more than capable of serving may not have been your perfect cup

00:15:45.100 of tea. And this guy. Right. And they were bussing people by the droves to go vote for

00:15:50.100 Fetterman. We know some of them. And this is what they've gotten themselves for.

00:15:54.260 Yeah, I think it's even worse than that. I think from the time he was elected until and

00:15:59.820 then through his inauguration as senator, they didn't say any of this because they felt, well,

00:16:04.340 we don't really care if he's impaired or not, just so he's physically able to go in there

00:16:08.620 and take an order about what to vote or who to vote for. And as long as he was doing that,

00:16:13.480 we didn't hear any of this. The moment he goes in the hospital and it's there's some question

00:16:17.780 of whether he's going to be take a long time to recover. Then they panic and they thought,

00:16:23.420 my gosh, he's not even able to take instructions from us. He can't physically walk in and push a

00:16:28.640 button. Therefore, now he's a liability. I think they even preferred the fact that he

00:16:33.020 because he is controversial and can say anything at any time. They like the idea that he was so

00:16:37.840 somewhat impaired so he could just push a button. You're going to vote for this. You're going to vote

00:16:42.820 for that and he could physically show up. But now I think they're suddenly telling us, well,

00:16:48.620 you know, he's got real problems. And that means real problems to them mean he's not physically able

00:16:53.880 to go vote as we tell him to. Well, we'll continue to follow it and see what happens with John Fetterman.

00:17:00.540 I mean, I don't even know. Are we rooting for Giselle Fetterman to take out? I don't think there's

00:17:06.020 going to be a better outcome. It's just the gall of those in charge over the disclosures and the lack

00:17:11.800 of transparency. OK, speaking of lack of transparency quickly, because I really don't

00:17:16.940 want to spend a lot of time on the damn classified documents. It's like we've gone down this road and

00:17:20.920 now we can't get ourselves off of it. But what do you make the FBI now arriving at Mike Pence's home

00:17:26.180 for classified materials? They say it's a consensual search for classified material.

00:17:32.620 And the spokespeople for Pence are not immediately responding for comment. I mean,

00:17:36.280 he's already disclosed that he found some classified documents in his in his stash.

00:17:43.720 He's just the latest of the many officials, Trump, Biden, Pence. We don't know how wide the net has

00:17:49.600 been cast. But is this a thing? Is this still a thing? Is this still relevant to the Trump probe?

00:17:56.200 Yeah, I think it is. I mean, the FBI dances around whatever Joe Biden needs to have done that they

00:18:04.240 acquiesce to. So Joe Biden has all these documents in all these different places. Sometimes the FBI

00:18:10.880 allows his lawyers to report to him and sometimes they don't. And they understand that that that

00:18:17.320 method doesn't work with anybody other than what they want to work with Joe Biden. The other thing,

00:18:23.980 and I don't I want to be careful how I say this, but when Donald Trump, they went into more law ago and

00:18:29.860 they said there were nuclear codes and nuclear secrets. And then that sort of fell apart. And

00:18:34.680 then they did that photo op with scattering papers. And at that time, I don't understand why Mike Pence

00:18:41.180 didn't say because it was known to him. I have documents, too. I didn't understand why Joe Biden

00:18:47.720 didn't say, well, you know, I have him, too. And I didn't understand why Jimmy Carter didn't say,

00:18:52.500 I have him, too. Had they all done that, then there wouldn't have been a special counsel and people

00:18:57.500 said, well, Trump is just doing what everybody. But it was only when Joe Biden was worried that

00:19:01.900 the intention on Trump's taking of these documents might go boomerang back to him or he had aides or

00:19:09.840 assistants have said, you know what, he may have them. We've got to be careful. Then all of a sudden,

00:19:14.740 Mike Pence said, oh, I have him, too. And Jimmy Carter said, I have him, too. And then all of a sudden,

00:19:19.520 the narrative became everybody. It's no big thing. Everybody has them. But before that, it was a sinister,

00:19:25.640 you know, plot to sell out our nuclear codes. But had Pence done that when Trump,

00:19:31.280 after the raid, it would have, I think it would have deflected and it would have calmed everybody

00:19:35.440 down. And Carter could have done the same thing. But they were selective. And yeah, they were they

00:19:41.140 were all of them were selective in their confessions of having documents based on to what degree that

00:19:46.780 would help or hurt somebody. Yeah. Instead, when Mike Pence was asked about, you know, whether Trump

00:19:51.560 was appropriate and keep those documents or what have you, he threw them under the bus.

00:19:55.520 There was no pause. Like, well, you know what? So it's like already it's become political. And

00:20:00.280 whether it helps you or hurts you as a politician is really what governs the reaction from these folks.

00:20:05.840 And he knew it at the time that he had the documents himself. He knew when he said that,

00:20:09.760 you know, Donald Trump shouldn't have done that. He knew that he must have thought to himself,

00:20:13.700 well, I have the same thing, but I'm not going to tell him. And then when Biden happened,

00:20:17.040 he goes, well, I'm going to come forward and help Biden now, I guess. But it's I hadn't seen the

00:20:22.040 reporting that he knew that he had him at the time. I thought it was another one of those. Oh,

00:20:24.860 I checked. And there they were. I was shocked. Shocked. I tell you. Yeah, I don't think he may

00:20:30.040 have disclosed that, but I think he knows what he took out of the government, what he didn't.

00:20:34.760 Well, so Biden has made this classified document thing with Trump. He did it. He did. He did it

00:20:40.000 inadvertently. You know, he wasn't looking to give Trump somebody to compare himself to,

00:20:43.720 but he did. And he is actively making it a he did it situation when it comes to the Chinese spy

00:20:50.240 balloon. So new reporting on the Chinese spy balloon, which has quickly left the national

00:20:55.660 discussion. But he's getting asked about it because he gave two interviews this week,

00:20:59.520 one to PBS and one to Telemundo. Interesting that he's not going to speak to Fox on the Super Bowl

00:21:04.940 Sunday show, which is tradition. We'll get to that in one second. But he will. He will speak to

00:21:09.420 Telemundo and he will speak to PBS, which like four people watch. And he says he gets asked about

00:21:16.500 the Chinese spy balloon. And this is actually kind of an interesting one about whether it was a major

00:21:22.460 security breach for China to do this and for us to allow it to, you know, coast over the entire

00:21:28.820 continental United States for a week. Listen to this, Satu. And wasn't it a major security breach

00:21:37.100 for the United States? Just the fact that the balloon came into the airspace and flew over the

00:21:42.560 country for so many days? No. Look, the total amount of intelligence gatherings going on by every

00:21:50.480 country around the world is overwhelming. And the idea that a balloon could traverse,

00:21:55.700 break American airspace is, anyway, it's not a major breach.

00:22:07.660 Wow. What are you laughing? Why are you laughing?

00:22:11.320 Well, I mean, the logical consequence of what he just said is it doesn't matter anyway. Everybody

00:22:16.320 does it. So send a bunch more over. We don't care. They can't hurt us or that they have a right to do

00:22:22.460 it or everybody does it. But he was so nonchalant as if everybody does it. Everybody spies on each

00:22:29.540 other. So what was the big deal? I just let the Chinese come across. I think their problem is

00:22:34.160 they didn't get everybody in the room, John Kirby and Biden and Milley, to get the narrative straight.

00:22:42.700 So what we've heard in succession is the first one was it was, well, they said it was a weather

00:22:47.860 balloon. And then secondly, it was, well, it may have had surveillance, but who would ever think

00:22:53.020 that a low-tech balloon would have any efficacy, not compared to a satellite? And then when people

00:22:57.820 pointed out that, in fact, it did and had advantages, then they said, well, we couldn't shoot it down

00:23:04.160 because we didn't want to hurt people. And then when people said, well, there's one person per square

00:23:07.760 mile in the Aleutians, five or six. And then they said, well, we wanted to let it go all the way so we

00:23:15.940 could examine it. And then when that fell through, they said, I think the latest one yesterday was,

00:23:20.340 well, we had to let it go because we didn't want to shoot it down in deep cold water. We wanted to

00:23:26.220 have shallow water so we recovered. So there's been at least five iterations. And the reason there has

00:23:33.380 been is they know, and everybody else knows, that when that balloon entered U.S. space off Alaska,

00:23:40.860 they should have shot it down. And then I guess the seventh or eighth was, well, everybody

00:23:45.360 knows that the Trump administration allowed it to cross the borders. And then they couldn't find

00:23:52.820 one person in the Trump administration that knew about it. And so everything they've said has kind

00:23:59.000 of fallen apart, except the one thing that won't fall apart is the truth. And the truth is that they're

00:24:06.480 either so risk averse that they were scared to offend the Chinese on the eve of Blinken's mini summit in

00:24:14.360 China, or they don't consider the Chinese, for example, an existential threat like they do the

00:24:21.340 Russians. If Donald Trump was president, Megan, and this was 2019, and Vladimir Putin did that and sent

00:24:28.040 a balloon across and Trump didn't shoot it down and they would have impeached him. That would have been

00:24:33.160 started impeachment. Joe Biden weighs in on the balloons alleged connection to the Trump

00:24:38.280 administration. We've now had the head of NORAD saying there were balloon incursions during the

00:24:43.120 Trump presidency, and I miss them. And that's a gap that we're going to have to address. So I mean,

00:24:48.840 it's really tough to blame this on Trump when even the current head of NORAD is saying nobody told

00:24:53.680 anybody in the Trump administration that this happened. So here's Joe Biden with PBS weighing in on,

00:25:01.280 you know, Trump to Trump, listen. You ordered our military to fight or just to shoot it down off

00:25:08.880 the coast of South Carolina. But Republicans are saying you look weak. I told the military I wanted

00:25:14.720 to shoot it down and it was safe to do it. You know, there were several of these balloons that during

00:25:19.160 the last administration, they didn't even know they were there. The idea that there was a dereliction

00:25:25.080 of duty is, I think, is a bizarre notion. Have relations now between the U.S. and China taken

00:25:33.800 a big hit? No. How do you know? I know. I talked to them. You've talked to Xi Jinping before.

00:25:41.800 And our team talks to their people. During this and since? Yeah, after this. I haven't talked to

00:25:46.840 him during this. But look, I mean, the idea of shooting down a balloon that's gathering information

00:25:56.360 over America and that makes relations worse. Look, I made it real clear to Xi Jinping that

00:26:09.080 we're going to compete fully with China, but we're not going to look and we're not looking for conflict.

00:26:14.440 Well, I don't feel reassured, Victor. It was incoherent because he said that he ordered it

00:26:22.120 to be shot down and then it wasn't shot down. And then he said, well, if it was shot down,

00:26:28.520 it wouldn't affect relations. But then if that's true, why didn't they shoot it down from the very

00:26:34.920 beginning? Why isn't the spying affecting the relations? I don't care about whether they're mad

00:26:39.800 we shot it down. Why aren't we mad they're spying on us? It always affects relations. When they crashed

00:26:47.240 into the EP3 under the Bush administration, I think that was 2001, and they forced that spy plane down.

00:26:53.880 We had 24 people that were hostages and then they dismantled the plane and sent it back. They take our

00:26:59.720 drones that are international waters. They've done that. It always affected Soviet-American when Gary

00:27:06.600 powers were shot down and we lied about it. So yeah, it affects elections. But the problem with

00:27:12.840 them is that we saw that with that March 2021 mini summit in Anchorage where they were completely

00:27:21.080 insulted by the Chinese. They have this narrative, and I agree with a lot of it, that Putin is a thug

00:27:28.200 and he's dangerous, and we've got to use a proxy. We're okay. But China has 1.4 billion people,

00:27:36.680 and it's got a million Uyghurs in camps. And it's in many ways more nightmarish than

00:27:44.600 Russia because they sterilize people, they harvest organs, they're totalitarian, and they're much more

00:27:52.840 capable of doing damage. And yet, I don't know what it is, but you can't talk about China where

00:27:58.040 we get back to the origins of the Wuhan virus they covered up, or the idea that the Trump travel ban

00:28:05.240 was racist. I think Biden said it was racist on the 11th day. We let it go for 11 days, the virus,

00:28:13.320 the pandemic, and then we finally did. And Biden was one of the people who said this is racist.

00:28:17.320 It's either clever Chinese propaganda that they're a protected minority and they're victims of white

00:28:23.560 racism, and Russians are the kind of thugs and tattooed brutes that we put in Hollywood movies

00:28:28.840 as villains. I don't know what it is. Or maybe they were so wound up with Russian collusion,

00:28:35.720 collusion, collusion, and then laptop disinformation, and they've never really got the goods they feel

00:28:42.520 on Putin. And now they've got the goods to show the world that he's truly evil, which

00:28:47.480 everybody understood. But they're just obsessed about Ukraine and Russia too. And that would be

00:28:53.960 fine with me if they would show the same level of interest or zeal with China, which is a much

00:28:59.960 more existential threat. But it was almost as if, well, you know, Russia will never, ever let out

00:29:05.400 a nuke in Ukraine. You people are just letting Putin nuclear blackmail. He's saber-rattling. It's not

00:29:11.000 even going to happen. Well, we got to be very careful with China. We don't want to interrupt

00:29:15.960 that relationship. We don't want to have this balloon. And as if it doesn't make any sense,

00:29:21.880 other than they've got, there's some reason why

00:29:24.440 they treat China so differently than our other enemy, Russia.

00:29:30.280 Yeah, that's exactly right. It's like very stark contrast where we're just kind of shrugging,

00:29:34.440 like, oh, come on, what's the big deal? You know, we shot it down. Yeah, you shot it down. Once it was

00:29:39.800 done, once it had gathered all of the information, it was sent, it traversed the entire United States,

00:29:46.440 and it was leaving. And then you shot it down. The report in the Times yesterday was this thing

00:29:51.560 did have the tools to collect communications signals. It was, quote, clearly for intelligence

00:29:56.680 surveillance and inconsistent with the equipment on board weather balloons, which, of course,

00:30:02.760 was the Chinese excuse. They have flown these balloons over more than 40 countries across five

00:30:10.840 continents, according to the State Department. This again in The New York Times and collecting similar

00:30:15.640 surveillance information. So I guess we're just going to shrug our shoulders and invite more,

00:30:21.240 because that's what happens when you don't punish. Any parent knows you let the bad behavior go on

00:30:25.880 once, you're going to get a whole lot more of it. They look at our so-called magnum entity as weakness

00:30:31.240 to be exploited, not to be reciprocated with kindness. And you know what they're doing now?

00:30:35.400 They're calling up the Japanese, South Koreans, the Taiwanese, the Philippines, the Australians,

00:30:40.600 and they're saying, do you really think that you're under the American defense umbrella?

00:30:45.160 Do you really think that these people are going to come to you in extremis when we just sent balloons

00:30:49.960 over there and they're apologizing to us, basically? They wouldn't even shoot it down.

00:30:54.440 And we're in your neighborhood and we're much more dangerous to you than the United States is

00:30:59.560 friendly and protective of you. So you better make the necessary adjustments. And that's what they do

00:31:04.040 all the time. They tell all of those countries that the United States is in decline and they can't be

00:31:09.560 counted on and they need to make some kind of rapport with the Chinese. And they're right in a

00:31:15.960 way because this looks really makes us look really stupid. You just have Joe Biden saying we talked and

00:31:21.640 we're not going to have conflict. OK, but then they did something provocative. I'm not calling for a

00:31:26.920 world war, but what's your plan? Like, how are you going to brush them back? What's the punishment going

00:31:31.720 to be the deterrent? So far, I haven't heard it. Before I take a break, can I ask you this? So I

00:31:37.640 mentioned at the top two interviews this week post State of the Union again, with all due respect,

00:31:43.800 PBS has no viewers. Telemundo has some, but won't sit with Fox. According to the latest reporting,

00:31:50.200 Fox hasn't commented on it. CNN's actually reporting this, that Fox is all but lost all hope

00:31:55.160 hope for a Super Bowl interview. Typically, it would take place today. Like, I'm sure it would

00:31:59.720 be Brett Baer, chief political anchor. And typically that would take place on the Friday before the

00:32:05.080 Super Bowl for with the network that's hosting the Super Bowl this year. It's Fox. And then it would air

00:32:09.960 in the pregame before the show. We're told it hasn't happened. Brett said that earlier this week on the

00:32:16.280 air, time's running out. Trump did stiff arm. I think it was NBC in 2018, but sat, I think the other

00:32:25.080 years for this kind of thing. And there'd be no reason for Joe Biden to say no to this since he's

00:32:30.440 on a little interview kick, other than Fox's ideology. What do you make of it? I remember Bill

00:32:36.920 O'Reilly interviewed, I think it was Barack Obama, and he was pretty tough on Obama, and Obama did

00:32:42.920 pretty well in back and forth. That's what the idea was. But if I was Joe Biden's handler and I was a

00:32:49.880 progressive zealot, I wouldn't let him go on Fox, because Brett Baer would conduct an honest

00:32:56.840 interview, and he's never had an honest one-on-one interview. And so there would be questions

00:33:02.040 about, well, you know, he would say, maybe Brett would ask the first question, as you said on the

00:33:06.680 national stage, that the laptop was disinformation, and it wasn't punters. You said that to the American

00:33:13.400 people on two occasions, what do you think right now? And what would he say? And you said that

00:33:19.080 Donald, right in the middle of an investigation of Donald Trump's so-called documents, you weighed

00:33:24.760 in and said he was irresponsible. Does that apply to you? So there was all, he just, he's not able

00:33:30.440 mentally to handle those questions, and his handlers know it. So in their way of thinking,

00:33:34.520 the downside of looking weak and not wanting to go on is not nearly as bad as what he's capable of saying.

00:33:40.920 And so I guess if I was this handler, I wouldn't let him go on either, if I was cynical like they are.

00:33:47.720 Okay, you're gonna love this, Victor. This is just breaking as you're speaking.

00:33:52.200 The president will not be sitting with Fox News Channel. The president, according to

00:33:57.240 Karine Jean-Pierre, was looking forward to an interview with Fox Soul, S-O-U-L, to discuss the

00:34:06.520 Super Bowl, the State of the Union, and critical issues impacting the everyday lives of Black Americans.

00:34:12.920 But we've been informed that Fox Corporation has asked for that interview to be canceled.

00:34:19.480 Fox Soul is apparently a new live and interactive streaming channel dedicated to the African-American

00:34:25.000 viewer, aiming to celebrate Black culture and deal with the real topics that impact the lives of

00:34:30.760 everyday Black Americans. This has to be the worst example of absurd pandering I've seen from a

00:34:46.680 president in a while. I want to speak to the one branch of your massive news organization that addresses

00:34:53.560 the problems of Black Americans only. And not to Brett Baier, one of the most respected news people

00:35:01.160 in the country, and a good guy who would give him a tough but fair interview. Because why? Because

00:35:07.880 he works at the same place that Hannity and Tucker work? Man up, President Biden, man up. And Karine Jean-Pierre

00:35:14.760 comes out to say, we were perfectly prepared to sit with Fox Soul. We're just not going to do it with

00:35:21.560 anyone from the Fox News show. I mean, I can't believe it. This is just ridiculous beyond parody,

00:35:28.040 Victor. It is. I mean, obviously they thought that Fox Soul would offer less pressing questions,

00:35:35.160 you should point out. But what's really disgusting is it's racist. They were basically saying we'd rather

00:35:41.640 have somebody who was African-American and not right from Fox to interview you, I guess in a way. But

00:35:47.960 even more so, they think the downside of pandering to Fox Soul and to Black America is not nearly as bad

00:35:57.080 as telling the regular Fox people, you're of the wrong color or you're the wrong constituency. They

00:36:03.480 don't, they feel there's nothing, there's no downside to that. It's, but you know, we may be weak and we may

00:36:09.880 be opportunistic by just focusing on Black, uh, Fox Soul, but that wouldn't be nearly as bad as going

00:36:16.600 on, uh, and getting humiliated or offending people by saying that we're picking our interviewers by

00:36:24.120 their race. Well, no, and they don't, they don't want to take the flack from the left and sitting

00:36:28.840 with Fox News channel, whether it's Brett or anybody else. And yes, Brett would give him a tough interview,

00:36:34.120 but it would be fair. I mean, Brett's not known for merging with anybody's jugular.

00:36:37.160 We know it, Brett, we know that at this state, Biden, he, he wouldn't be up to it. He would just,

00:36:44.280 right. He couldn't answer questions. I think he's deteriorating geometrically and he's not,

00:36:48.840 he hasn't had one like that. I can't think of a single tough interview he's ever had.

00:36:54.000 The absurdity of being, well, we'll do it with Fox Soul. I mean, I worked at Fox News channel for 14

00:36:58.920 years, never heard of Fox Soul when it hit the news in 2020. I I'm sure it doesn't have much of a

00:37:04.360 viewership yet, though. I'm sure they're going to try to build it, but it certainly isn't in the

00:37:08.280 league of the Fox News channel, which is the number one cable channel out there. They just

00:37:13.120 don't want the association and they don't want him taking any tough questions. And now they've

00:37:17.060 managed to punt the entire thing. See how I worked a football term in there. Victor, stand by. I've got

00:37:21.940 to ask you about this in-depth report on the Nord Stream pipeline and how we allegedly blew it up.

00:37:30.080 Crazy developments on this that are being ignored by the mainstream. And Victor is a war games expert.

00:37:35.980 We'll talk about it when we come back. Victor, this story about the pipeline, the Nord Stream

00:37:43.740 pipeline is absolutely insane, but not unpredicted. Our pal Tucker, speaking of the Fox News channel,

00:37:50.560 has been on this from the beginning. Reuters, let me start before that. So Seymour Hersh,

00:37:57.000 longtime investigative journalist, won the Pulitzer Prize, has this long piece on his substack,

00:38:02.320 how America took out the Nord Stream pipeline, or as Karine Jean-Pierre would call it, the Nord Stream

00:38:07.180 pipeline. That actually happened, not making that up. The report says that last June, United States

00:38:15.220 Navy divers operating under the cover of a widely publicized midsummer NATO exercise planted explosives

00:38:22.780 that three months later destroyed three of the four Nord Stream pipelines. Nord Stream 1, yes,

00:38:31.100 that was operational, and Nord Stream 2, which was built but not yet operational. And that we did it,

00:38:38.200 we had promised that we would do it. Some people may forget, Joe Biden actually said that if the

00:38:42.360 Russians invaded Ukraine, we were going to take out these pipelines, like we're going to shut them down.

00:38:46.920 And he was asked, how? And he was basically like, trust me, we'll do it. And then it happened.

00:38:53.700 And people like Tucker said, it was us. And then it got all sorts of blowback for being a Putin

00:38:58.660 apologist. But according to Seymour Hersh, it was us. And that we sabotaged the pipelines in the most

00:39:06.840 covert way popular. We used a team of Navy divers that are not members of our special ops command,

00:39:12.920 whose covert operations have to be reported to Congress. Because, Hersh continues, as long as

00:39:20.180 Europe remained dependent on those pipelines for cheap natural gas, Washington was afraid countries

00:39:25.120 like Germany would be reluctant to supply Ukraine with the money and weapons we wanted Ukraine to

00:39:31.000 have to help defeat Russia. So this is rather extraordinary because, OK, you might think, great,

00:39:37.920 great, we're hurting Russia, we're hurting the EU, we're hurting our own allies, all of whom are part

00:39:43.660 of NATO, which we're part of as well. And it does leave you with real questions about, is there any

00:39:48.920 gonna be, is there blowback to us as a result of this? Does anyone care that we did this? The White

00:39:54.140 House totally denying it right now. Absolutely not bland, not specific, but no, not true, utterly

00:39:59.460 untrue. A complete fiction is what they're saying.

00:40:01.520 Yeah, what struck me about it was, if it was so easily false, somebody, people would in the media

00:40:09.240 cover it and then reject it. But it's, it's one of the strangest things I've ever seen. There's no

00:40:15.500 coverage whatsoever, maybe a little bit in the Daily Mail or something. It's almost as if all the media

00:40:20.420 said, we're not going to discuss this. And that's kind of strange, because I know he's 85, but Seymour

00:40:25.700 Hirsch is sort of, he has a theme that he's very anti-U.S. government. And sometimes he,

00:40:33.200 My Lai or Abu Ghraib, but sometimes he's a little out there with the Syrian chemical. He was kind of

00:40:40.820 defending Assad. But the point is that the left always supports his allegations, almost always.

00:40:49.080 And he's got a mixed record, but this time they're not. And that tells me something. And I think

00:40:54.940 it's one of those landmines, it's just a little story, but the implications are so overwhelming.

00:41:00.280 And you pointed them out. The first is, we're not at war with Russia. And if this were to be true,

00:41:08.620 we attacked a Russian asset, a Russian property, and we destroyed it in a time of peace.

00:41:15.640 That's almost an act of war against a country that's got 7,000 nuclear weapons. The second thing is that

00:41:22.820 Germany is a NATO partner. It's a joint owner. So, and it was headed into winter. So if that were

00:41:29.220 true, we were saying, well, according to our geostrategic agenda, we're willing to have 80

00:41:34.500 million Germans get a little cold this winter and get in their heat rooms and chop some wood,

00:41:39.820 because we feel the United States has geostrategic agendas that trump the ability of Germans to keep

00:41:48.000 warm in the winter. And then, as you said, when Joe Biden mentioned that, and he was echoed by

00:41:55.700 Victoria Nuland, the undersecretary of state and said, don't, almost the same words, don't worry one

00:42:01.120 way or the other, they will not have this. And then after it happened, she sort of gave a high five to

00:42:07.520 Ted Cruz and said, you know, like you, I'm happy. This thing is a bunch of metal under the sea.

00:42:12.540 They were almost publicizing in a way that suggested that, well, it can't be covert. And

00:42:19.420 as you said, they, they, they use, they didn't use special teams, or they said they didn't, that

00:42:25.080 require eight or eight or so congressional leaders to be appraised. So if it happened, and they did not

00:42:33.640 appraise Congress, and they went around it, and they really basically attacked Russia, and they

00:42:41.400 destroyed the property that was very valuable to an ally, it's really has, it has a lot of really

00:42:48.420 dangerous consequences for them. Because I think the American people would even be outraged. And

00:42:53.520 it's one of those stories, just very quickly, if you look at the laptop, you know, it's old stuff,

00:42:59.780 except if any, if on that laptop, there is evidence that Joe Biden got money, and he didn't pay taxes.

00:43:07.380 Everybody fights about deductions. But one thing the IRS goes off is unreported income. That is very

00:43:13.860 serious. Same thing about the documents. Everybody has, we're sick of the document story. But if any of

00:43:20.440 those documents, any of that material can be proved that Hunter Biden used it for personal gain,

00:43:26.660 that's a, that's a landmine. Another story was, I don't know if you saw that very weird story that

00:43:33.380 was reported by the Israeli Prime Minister, that there was a deal in progress between the United,

00:43:40.180 the Ukraine and Russia discussions, that maybe they would accept the 2014 borders, and Zelensky

00:43:48.020 wouldn't be in NATO, but he'd get to be armed, Putin would pull back. And the Israelis, I mean, there's a lot of

00:43:55.860 contention over it, but the Israeli Prime Minister reported that he was in on it. And the United States

00:44:01.140 made it clear that they did not want that to happen. And if that's true, that's another thing

00:44:07.040 that has explosive consequences, that we interfered in a war between Russia and Ukraine, in the sense

00:44:13.800 that we wanted it to go on. And maybe Ukraine even didn't. I don't know if that's true or not,

00:44:18.120 but that's what's been reported. And there is some substantiation by the Israelis. So all of these

00:44:24.600 things, this administration is so reckless that there's elements of these stories that we just

00:44:29.080 dismissed, that if they were fully investigated and turned out to be true, they would be impeachable.

00:44:35.180 That's the thing. Where's the press? Let's find out whether this is true. Yeah, like there's such

00:44:40.100 detail in this report. It's hard to believe it's not true. I mean, somebody's clearly leaking to him.

00:44:46.300 And, you know, normally the media would love to get its hands on a story like this. If this had been

00:44:50.800 a Trump thing, they'd be all over this. I mean, this actually could bring down a presidency,

00:44:55.580 unlike, you know, classified documents and things like that. Oh, if it's true, I think they would

00:45:00.980 they would file articles of impeachment in the House. They have to, because it would show that the

00:45:06.220 president of the United States attacked Russia without going to Congress or anything. And he violated

00:45:13.720 the security protocols that say he has to disclose this to Congress. And he deliberately attacked the

00:45:20.000 property of a NATO member. Right. Right. I was going to say, not to mention the consequences to

00:45:24.580 to Germany. Yeah. All right. In the time we have left. Sorry, I've got to ask you this. Yeah. Yeah.

00:45:31.760 Reported earlier this week about how some forty three thousand migrants have been bussed to New York

00:45:37.900 City and they're being bussed all over the country now by the southern state border state governors who

00:45:41.960 have had it and said, great, you want to be a sanctuary city? Here's a bunch of people to give

00:45:45.640 sanctuary to Mayor Eric Adams in New York is at the end of his rope. He doesn't know what to do with

00:45:51.060 these folks. He put a bunch of them in this relatively nice hotel, 450 bucks a night. We

00:45:55.380 were paying for them to stay there. All these migrant men and people said, what are we doing?

00:45:59.640 We don't want all these but like single men migrants staying in this hotel in the middle of

00:46:03.700 Hell's Kitchen. So then he decided he'd ship them out to Brooklyn and he'd bring in migrant families

00:46:08.780 for the hotel. In any event, it's not going well. So the next move was we're going to bus them up to

00:46:14.280 Canada. We're going to give people a ticket to Canada. And all these migrants said, great. And

00:46:19.660 there was an interview we talked about earlier this week in which many said, get me out of this

00:46:23.900 hellhole. It's like New York City's disgusting. There's homelessness. There's drug use. This is

00:46:29.680 not what I thought I was signing up for. So they get on the buses to go up to Canada. You can't make

00:46:34.320 it up, Victor. And now the Daily Mail reporting. They're turning back. They don't want to be in Canada

00:46:41.740 because it's too cold and it has, quote, a lot of snow. They would like to be returned

00:46:49.700 to New York City because Canada is cold. And one woman who's the director of a New York

00:46:55.780 nonprofit helping to bus the migrants to Canada said, they arrived in Canada expecting better

00:47:00.900 access to jobs and health care. They think there are all these jobs up here and that asylum is super

00:47:06.420 easy to get. Now they have found out that none of that is true and that they're going to freeze

00:47:11.680 their asses off. Half these people are from, most of these people are from Latin America.

00:47:17.080 We don't know what to do with them. To me, it seems like the strategy is working of these

00:47:21.900 Southern state governors and the border state governors to make the Northerners feel their

00:47:26.860 pain.

00:47:28.380 Yeah, there's two themes very quickly. And one is the illegal alien has a sense of entitlement.

00:47:33.260 They feel they can come into our country. First thing they do is break the law. Second is break

00:47:38.720 the law by residing here. And the third is they usually get phony ID and make demands on their

00:47:43.040 hosts. There's no gratitude. It's, hey, I don't like this. This is not up to my standards. You should

00:47:48.040 never be here. And once you do, and the second is that everybody in the abstract talks about the

00:47:54.260 noble illegal alien, but in the concrete, they don't want to be around there because they have no

00:47:58.240 background check. They have no audit. They don't know what they're getting into. And so I see it

00:48:03.060 every day when I hear on the farm and I see it and the person, then I go to Stanford during the week

00:48:08.200 and I hear all these soapbox lectures about people who never want to get near illegal immigrants,

00:48:14.760 but give lectures about how noble they are in the abstract. So this really cuts to the quick and

00:48:20.340 shows how phony both the immigrants are and the host.

00:48:25.000 It's ridiculous. They're not looking for asylum. When you're seeking asylum, you're fleeing your

00:48:29.020 potential death and destruction back at home. You're not bitching about the snow. You know

00:48:33.300 where it's warm? Latin America. Go home. It's unbelievable. Victor, so great to have you. Thanks

00:48:40.140 so much for being here today. Thank you for having me. All right. Coming up, I'm going to be joined by

00:48:44.920 entrepreneur and bestselling author, Patrick Bette. David, looking forward to meeting and speaking with

00:48:50.700 him. Now we turn from BDH to PBD. This is a true rags to riches story. PDB is Patrick Bette David.

00:49:02.240 He was only a child when his family escaped war-torn Iran and fled ultimately to the United

00:49:07.860 States. But things were not all sunshine roses when they got here. It was a rocky road, but Patrick

00:49:13.520 eventually made a name for himself and is now living the American dream completely self-made.

00:49:19.040 as a CEO, author, and host of the PDB podcast with millions following his interviews and advice.

00:49:28.360 PBD. I keep saying PDB because it's presidential daily grief. It's PBD. He joins me now. Patrick,

00:49:34.460 great to have you here. It's great to be on with the great Megyn Kelly.

00:49:38.660 Oh, thank you so much. I love your story and I love that you just pulled yourself up from zero

00:49:46.900 advantages other than a loving family, which is big, but I mean, no connections, no money,

00:49:53.020 no good grades, no one believing in you, pretty much no one believing that you could do it.

00:49:58.400 Very open about your crappy SAT scores and grades and so on to build your own empire. And as I read

00:50:05.280 your story, Pat, it seems like something about you, like your positivity, something innate in you

00:50:12.240 resonated and was sort of the through line that brought you from all of that to your incredible

00:50:19.560 success. Do I have it right? What do you think? You know, when you live in Iran, but first of all,

00:50:25.100 thank you for having me on. But when you're born and raised in Iran, all you know is Iran. It's like

00:50:29.100 when I go to Alabama at a Waffle House and I say, so how is it growing up in Alabama? And they'll say,

00:50:33.120 this is all I know. So I grew up in Iran. The one thing we knew about the States was when you watch

00:50:40.440 Rocky four and Rocky four, where Sylvester Stallone says, you know, if he can change and you can change

00:50:48.060 and I can change, we can change. And you just watching this guy, man, America must be amazing.

00:50:52.560 So finally, uh, you know, six weeks after Khomeini dies, we escape Iran. We go to Germany. I lived at a

00:50:59.200 refugee camp in Germany for a year and a half. And it was a great case study because in Germany,

00:51:03.700 I had a chance to hang out with people from Albania, Yugoslavia, Czech, Poland at the time.

00:51:08.700 And you're hearing about why they left socialism or communism, Afghanistan, Pakistan. Why are you in

00:51:15.020 Germany? Why are you trying to make it to the States? And it's like, you know, how to win friends

00:51:19.580 and influence people on steroids, except you got a year and a half to go through this and learn

00:51:22.900 these different cultures. And then we finally came to the States. And when he came to come to America,

00:51:27.020 uh, and I remember watching the news with my mom and my, uh, we're in Granada Hills. She's watching

00:51:33.760 the news. And this reporter is saying bad things about the president. This is 1990, November 20th.

00:51:39.760 We come here. So it's probably going to be 91 ish. And my mother, because we're like, you know,

00:51:44.960 watching this, being so familiar with the Iranian system, they're like, poor man, they're going to

00:51:49.260 kill this reporter. And my relative says, no, no, this is America. They don't kill reporters. You're

00:51:54.180 going to be okay. Obviously they're having the banter together, but the ability to come

00:51:58.420 to the greatest country in the world, America, where regular guy like me with no generational

00:52:03.600 wealth, I am not white. I don't speak the language. I don't have the right GPA. My parents got divorced

00:52:09.260 twice in 20 years. And if you decide to want to do something with it, you can build an incredible life

00:52:15.080 here, regardless of your religion, regardless of your background, regardless of, you know, how much

00:52:20.020 money you have, how much, what's your situation is, any of that stuff. You know, I can speak on how

00:52:25.560 great of a country America is for hours, but you, you take that plus the opportunity of meeting some

00:52:31.420 good people, good examples, you know, going in the military, you learn the toughness of military,

00:52:36.580 the unity, the camaraderie, and then you apply that in business. Obviously a lot of that kind of

00:52:41.040 helps you, helps you out. But, uh, yeah, I can talk about America all day long on how much I love

00:52:45.220 this place. I, I love your optimism and your, yeah, you are sort of inspirational and sunny in

00:52:51.700 a way that we need, we need like inject it into my veins as the kids say, because the messaging

00:52:56.300 everywhere, I mean, just take Disney and their absurd new, I guess, animated series about how

00:53:03.500 America was built on slavery and it was built by slaves and they've never atoned and we want

00:53:08.960 reparations. This is for children. That's the popular messaging right now. Not you can do it.

00:53:14.480 Land of opportunity to the contrary. It's no, that shit doesn't work. That's the new,

00:53:19.640 the new messaging. They're going to try to do that. You know, I was being interviewed on a

00:53:23.980 podcast yesterday, this, this, uh, pastor who runs a church, a Presbyterian, uh, church, and

00:53:28.980 they started a podcast. I said, okay, I'd love to be on a podcast. They invited me. We're talking.

00:53:32.840 They said, so what is the biggest challenge we're facing in America today when it comes down to the

00:53:37.040 family nucleus? I said, look in life, everyone's going to sell you a philosophy. You have to choose

00:53:43.100 which philosophy you want to buy into any philosophy you buy into comes with rewards

00:53:48.240 and consequences. For example, if my philosophy is for you, Patrick, you came from a divorced family.

00:53:56.060 You were born and raised in Iran. You've seen a lot of trauma. You must be dealing with anxiety

00:54:01.380 and panic and trauma and all this stuff. So look, just take the safe route. Maybe take these different

00:54:07.220 medications. Maybe go to this one class because you need that kind of therapy, but poor you, you

00:54:12.800 know, poor you, Patrick. If I buy that philosophy, what's the good feeling about it? Well, I have no

00:54:18.760 pressure to do anything. It feels good. I don't have to step up to anything. I don't have to man up to

00:54:23.500 anything. I don't have to show up. No one's expecting me to work hard. No one's expecting me

00:54:27.820 to win. So life is a safe and warm and fuzzy place. Now the consequences, you'll be struggling

00:54:33.960 financially. You will eventually become more and more bitter as you age. You'll become more and

00:54:38.700 more upset with the philosophy you bought into. And then eventually you'll be the story of the

00:54:43.500 grumpy old man sitting around, upset at your wife, upset at your kids. You're on your second or third

00:54:47.500 marriage. You're not having your dreams become a reality, but there's a good and the bad. The

00:54:51.260 other philosophy that you buy into, you can do something about your life. Why don't you, instead of

00:54:55.500 watching Netflix and chilling, uh, go pick up a couple of business books, go learn about how money

00:54:59.940 works. Why don't you start a part-time gig? Why don't you go take a masterclass? Why don't you go

00:55:03.880 take a course on Udemy? Why don't you take some late night courses? Why don't you go get your real

00:55:08.140 estate license part-time on the side or do insurance or finance? Do something with your life. Turn off

00:55:12.720 the TV, turn off the radio. You have the time to do something with your life. That message, right?

00:55:16.820 You're listening to it like, okay. And if you do that, maybe one day you'll have a shot at your

00:55:20.480 dreams becoming a reality. So what's the good? What's the bad? Let's go with the bad first. Here's the bad.

00:55:25.940 If they're right, you'll actually have to work after school. You'll have to work after work,

00:55:30.920 which means if you have an eight to five job, you still have to work after five o'clock. So maybe

00:55:34.700 you come home at 10 o'clock. Maybe you're going to miss some football games. Maybe you're going to

00:55:38.320 miss some shows on Netflix. Maybe you're not caught up on Ted Lasso. Maybe you're not caught up on some

00:55:42.600 of the shows that everybody else is watching. So yes, you may lose a hundred, 200, a thousand,

00:55:47.500 2000, maybe 5,000 hours for three, five, 10 years. But then what's the good? 10 years later,

00:55:53.500 you choose what private school your kids go to. 10 years later, you choose what zip code you live in.

00:55:57.940 10 years ago, you don't look down with a hunch on your back because you feel like you owe everybody

00:56:02.760 everything. 10 years ago, you can stand up tall and impose your beliefs and your confidence into

00:56:07.460 your kids and other people you talk to. But regardless, the philosophy that's being sold to

00:56:13.220 our kids in schools, high schools, colleges, universities is poor you or shame on you. Shame on

00:56:22.060 you for being white and being, you know, a bigot or poor you for being black or Middle Eastern or

00:56:28.460 Hispanic. Either one of them is a crock of I don't know if we can curse you or not. This is not you can

00:56:33.280 we can't or we can you can't let it fly is what it is. It's a full on crock of shit. And unfortunately,

00:56:39.920 we need more brave people and men and women that are not afraid to voice their opinions and their

00:56:46.500 thoughts. You know, I love everything you just said. It's reminding me in the news today. The actor Idris

00:56:53.080 Elba made these great comments the other day. Now, now he's getting blowback. So he there was an

00:56:59.160 interview by him published Wednesday in Esquire UK. He's British and he's, you know, award winning

00:57:04.900 actor. And he was he was in The Wire. He was in a bunch of great things. I know him from the BBC

00:57:09.740 series, Luther. Anyway, so he comes out and he says, I don't refer to myself as a black actor.

00:57:16.140 This label put me in a box, puts me in a box and race has become an obsession. And this obsession

00:57:21.720 with race can hinder aspirations and growth. Quote, if we spend half the time not talking about all the

00:57:28.600 differences, but the similarities between us, the entire planet would have a shift in the way we deal

00:57:32.540 with each other. As humans, we're obsessed with race and that obsession can really hinder people's

00:57:37.060 aspirations and hinder their growth. Racism is very real, but he believes it's only as powerful

00:57:42.780 as you allow it to be. He says, I stopped describing myself as a black actor when I realized

00:57:47.740 to put me in a box. We've got to grow. We've got to. Our skin is no more than that. It's just skin

00:57:53.020 rant over and said, I don't like to be asked what it's like to be the first black to do this or to do

00:58:01.940 that. It's the same, he says, as if it would be if I were white. It's the first time for me.

00:58:06.200 I don't want to be the first black. I'm the first Idris. So this is amazing, right? And

00:58:11.140 most people sat back and said, right on. I'm thinking of Camille Foster, who comes on this

00:58:15.800 show with the fifth column, similar messaging. Thomas Chatterton Williams. He's like, I'm not

00:58:20.100 a black this. My daughter's not a black that. She's a person. I'm a person. Stop it. So now you

00:58:26.100 get the root. Chanel Janai, who writes out she's puzzled. Chanel is puzzled by this admission he

00:58:34.560 made. I understand the intentions, but there are a few flaws. For starters, racism is not as powerful

00:58:42.420 as we allow it to be. And goes on to say, why? Because America was founded on racist and anti-black

00:58:48.300 ideals that continue to systematically oppress black people, people of color and other marginalized

00:58:53.400 communities to this day. If all it took was for individuals to say, I no longer give power to

00:58:58.260 racism, then this problem should have been eradicated centuries ago. Secondly, I can

00:59:05.420 understand why you'd think our skin is just skin, but it's not. Our skin should just be skin. But

00:59:09.620 because of systemic racism and global anti-blackness, what should be looked at as something simple

00:59:14.680 has long been politicized, criminalized and demonized. And of course, she maintains today

00:59:18.720 we're in the same place as we ever work. This is the problem. You know, some folks are just set

00:59:23.560 in this mindset, Pat, where it's like, no, you cannot do it. Your skin color is the most important

00:59:30.560 thing. So first of all, you know, kudos to him for saying that. But here's the part, Megan, both you

00:59:37.620 and I know this within how many minutes or hours of that story breaking. Do you think his publicist

00:59:44.580 called them or his agent called them or his manager called them or his friend called them or a court

00:59:49.580 worker called them or a former actress or an actor? He did a movie with saying, you can't say something

00:59:54.520 like that. You got to take that back. You know how much progress we've made over the years for you to

00:59:58.940 say, we understand you're not American. You got to say something about it. You're hurting our industry,

01:00:03.220 the young actors that are coming up. So then we learn about the man's courage and toughness.

01:00:08.300 If in that moment he breaks, he's afraid of his career. If he stands up, he gains a whole new level

01:00:14.720 of respect from a lot of different people. For example, the great Morgan Freeman is a phenomenal

01:00:19.660 actor. He's on Don Lemon. He's on Mike Wallace. He's I think it's Chris Wallace or Mike. I think it's

01:00:25.800 Chris Wallace. He's doing this interview and they're having the conversation. And he says,

01:00:30.700 why have black history month? Do you have a white history month? No. Why don't you have a white

01:00:34.700 history month? I don't want a black history month. And then Don Lemon asking the question and he

01:00:38.560 challenges him the same exact way. Now, here's what's interesting. You listen to the argument he

01:00:43.540 makes and he sticks to it. He gets a salute. Watch what happens just three days ago, which I'm sure you

01:00:49.100 saw this last week. This guy who just passed up Kareem Abdul-Jabbar as the all-time scorer in the NBA.

01:00:55.140 His name is LeBron James. He calls himself King James. Okay. He decides to share the conversation

01:01:02.560 that Morgan Freeman had with Wallace on Instagram, not knowing that clip was shared by a man named

01:01:09.980 Charlie Kirk. And he immediately takes that clip down. Why? Because God forbid if he agrees with

01:01:16.540 anything Charlie Kirk says. So what does that tell us? Naturally, everybody has common sense,

01:01:22.880 including LeBron James, including Idris, including all these guys. But the moment you get the calls

01:01:28.560 that you, God forbid, may not be invited to those parties or the next movies or all this other stuff,

01:01:33.200 let me make a statement of apology and say, look, we saw what John Cena did a few years ago.

01:01:38.220 I speak this. Here's a man that speaks their language, speaks Chinese, apologizing Chinese, cried

01:01:43.960 all of that after a simple comment he made about Taiwan. So it is a very dark world when you're in

01:01:50.840 Hollywood. There's a lot of bullies. It's the industry of where they are about anti-bigotry,

01:01:56.900 yet they're the biggest, biggest, they're anti-bully, and yet they're the biggest bullies

01:02:01.240 behind closed doors. But it's great to see some of these guys standing up for themselves.

01:02:05.820 Yes, it is. It's great to hear like, I mean, this obviously very well-admired

01:02:09.720 actor say like, don't, don't describe me as a black actor. Don't describe me. Don't put me in boxes.

01:02:14.900 Don't say the first black this don't say, don't say any of that stuff. I feel the same as a woman.

01:02:18.000 I've told a story before, but at one point during the Obama administration, I was invited to go to

01:02:21.540 the White House. They were having like all female reporter day. It was like, no, call me back when

01:02:27.120 you just want great reporters. I'm not going there because of my lady parts, right? Like this is

01:02:30.900 really absurd. And I love this story that you tell about you're, you're, you're coming up. Okay. So

01:02:35.820 you're, you're a kid originally from Iran. Your mom's on welfare, the divorces, it's not going

01:02:40.740 particularly well in the academic field. Um, you wind up joining the military. You do that for a short

01:02:45.660 amount of time. And then you decide to try your hand in corporate America and you go,

01:02:51.260 you start working for Bally's, Bally's total fitness. Now I like this story because back in

01:02:55.900 my youth, as I like to say in another life, in another body, I used to teach aerobics for a long

01:03:00.480 time. I worked at all these gyms, never Bally's, but a lot of gold. And, um, there's really room for

01:03:06.240 advancement. If you really put your time in at these gyms, like you can move up the corporate ladder

01:03:09.840 there and you were doing it and you were crushing and they gave you a challenge to go work on this

01:03:15.200 smaller sort of branch. And if you could turn the numbers away, they were going to give you

01:03:18.880 Hollywood on the weekends to manage that. And you wanted it. You were like, I'll do it. And you

01:03:23.740 crushed the assignment. You come back. Now tell us about the meeting you had with the manager.

01:03:28.000 Cause I really want to delve into this with you. When I, when I heard about this, I'm like,

01:03:31.060 I don't understand whether he's beating himself up for the way he challenged this or whether he's pat

01:03:34.800 himself on the back for the way he, he handled this. Cause I had a strong reaction to the way you

01:03:39.080 handled it, which, which I will not reveal until you talk about it. So tell us the story.

01:03:43.560 Well, I'm kind of putting the dots together. I'm kind of, you know, kind of seeing where you would

01:03:47.240 go with this one, but you know, uh, uh, yeah, listen, I'm working at Bally's. I want to be a

01:03:51.240 bodybuilder. So I start off with Culver city. My sister introduced me to Bally's because she was

01:03:56.100 working at Encino. So I started with Culver city guy named Cisco Dexter McClendon. I'm having a great time.

01:04:02.100 They send me to Fox Hills mall to sell memberships. I become the rookie of the month. All the great things

01:04:06.340 happen. Then they shipped me out to Hollywood off of El Centro. I become a salesperson, no manager,

01:04:11.840 nothing. I love the club, but they said, we will give you the weekend manager position. If you go

01:04:16.160 to Chatsworth, help out Chatsworth as a weekend assistant manager, then we'll bring you back to

01:04:21.200 Hollywood. I go to Chatsworth. We take Chatsworth from 42% of hitting their goals to 115%. And I was

01:04:28.260 competing with this guy where Robbie Solomon said, if you beat this guy named Edwin Guerra,

01:04:32.500 if you beat him, you'll get the job over here. Anyways, I beat him. I'm number eight. He's

01:04:38.180 number 10 at a smaller club. I produce, I'll produce him. And he's at a bigger club,

01:04:42.500 Hollywood. That was 40,000, 42,000 square feet, beautiful club. And then Robbie comes in to meet

01:04:46.960 with me. Now I'm all prepared. I got my Bally's short sleeve shirt. I've creased it up, you know,

01:04:53.080 going through the whole thing like military. He comes in, he says, Patrick, let's go sit in the back.

01:04:57.240 They're about to promote me. I'm telling everybody pumped up. He says, well,

01:05:00.220 I'm here to tell you great job what you did last month. Thank you. And I'm here to tell you,

01:05:05.820 we want to keep you here because you're doing such an awesome job. This is a great fit. I said,

01:05:10.160 no, no, no, no. Your promise was if I do this, I go become weekend assistant at Hollywood. I beat the

01:05:16.240 guy. So I want that job. He says, no, we've decided we're going to give that job to somebody else.

01:05:21.500 Not you. I said, wait, what do you mean? Who are you giving it to? He says, Edwin Guerra. So why would

01:05:25.220 you give it to Edwin? He's been here six years. You've been here for nine months.

01:05:28.540 That didn't sit well with me at the time. I had saved $10,000, which to me, that's a lot of money

01:05:34.720 at 21 years old. And I said, I can't do this. I said, if you're doing this, I'm quitting. He says,

01:05:41.200 Patrick, you're not going to quit. You're going to be a supervisor here making a hundred, 150 a year.

01:05:45.020 You're not leaving this place. I said, I'm telling you, my dad taught me to work off of ward. If you

01:05:50.260 said, I do this, I get this. I did this. I earned this. No, we're going to give it to such and such,

01:05:55.820 but stay with us. You got a long career here. Anyways, I quit that day. I walked out.

01:06:00.420 The crazy part about the story is my ego got hit right afterwards because I go and start a business

01:06:05.740 and I failed miserably. I go and did $49,000 and I have to call this guy, Robbie Solomon,

01:06:10.340 a year later and ask him for a job. And he put me at Hollywood gym intentionally, but he gave me the

01:06:16.460 morning position, which was like four to 12. Nobody in the right mind buys a membership at 4 a.m. in the

01:06:22.540 morning. No one even shows up to buy a membership in the morning. Anyways, he did that. I'm grateful

01:06:26.380 for him. Later on, I left, went to Morgan Stanley, started my own financial from the rest is history.

01:06:31.060 But in that moment, you know, as a young man, it's very hard when you're going through it. I had to

01:06:35.900 make the decision and, uh, it ended up working, uh, working out very well for me long-term.

01:06:40.640 So I couldn't tell in your writing about this, whether you were kicking yourself or getting up and

01:06:45.380 walking out or, or glad you got up and walked out. And I will tell you from my perspective,

01:06:49.720 I was like, right on, get out of there. He set a goal, you met it. And he did not live up to his

01:06:55.900 word. He was not honorable in that moment, whether he was overall, I have, I know not,

01:07:00.560 but what he did that day was not honorable. And if you can't trust the word of somebody,

01:07:05.740 you know, who you're so intimately connected with in the workplace setting,

01:07:08.780 why would you want to continue working for them? I realized you need a job,

01:07:11.440 but I love that you stood on principle, even when you didn't have the dough.

01:07:14.980 You know, you know what it is. Here's the one thing that gives me a lot of confidence. So

01:07:20.000 coming up as a young entrepreneur or a young salesperson or a young soldier,

01:07:24.880 there's four things I learned that ought to give you a hundred percent confidence. Okay.

01:07:29.800 Number one is outworking your competitors. I picked up my dad's work habits. So my dad worked at a 99

01:07:35.240 cent store in Englewood, right next to the great Western forum. So he's a 5 AM to 10 o'clock at night guy,

01:07:41.900 six days a week. He takes one day off. I work like he does. So if you can work,

01:07:46.380 you don't have a lot to worry about. But the first one was outwork. The second one,

01:07:49.900 which not a lot of us do is the out improving side. So I know I'm going to read four books a month

01:07:55.320 and I'm going to work on myself. This is when I finally figured out that the content is out there.

01:07:59.900 The secret sauce, secret recipe, secret strategies are out there if you're feeding your mind. So I was

01:08:04.800 reading and I had to out improve my peers. So outwork out improve. And then the other two takes a long

01:08:10.860 time to come. It's out strategize. It takes a couple of decades, at least a decade to get better

01:08:15.080 strategies. You can borrow some strategies, but some of it, you almost have to go in the gutter

01:08:19.380 and fight and get dirty and slay a few dragons here and there to realize what it's like to pick up those

01:08:24.200 strategies. Cause you're going to fail a lot. But the last one making this game of business and

01:08:29.520 competition where you ought to have confidence is I just knew I was not going to stop. So the outlasting

01:08:35.860 philosophy is where the confidence comes. And you never know that because you know how at first

01:08:41.100 you're like, well, you know, uh, one day I want to do X, Y, Z. And you got five classmates making go

01:08:47.040 back to you being, you know, 20 years old, you're in school and you got all these girls that you're

01:08:51.200 competing with. They're your friends, but it's competitive. Everybody's like, Oh, that person's

01:08:55.260 going to be a Senator. That person wants to be a CEO. This person wants to do that. Nobody knows

01:09:00.340 who's going to do it or not because none of us know who thinks the biggest. And then five years

01:09:04.600 goes by, 10 years go by. And then you're here, you know, moderating a presidential debate. And

01:09:11.280 one of the most legendary moments where, you know, Trump, Trump comes back with the most subtle response

01:09:17.940 to you. Very, you know, uh, comedic, whatever response that he has, but you were, you are like

01:09:24.520 the face everywhere. So how come Megan made it to the highest level? What did she do different?

01:09:29.840 You outlasted a lot of tough situations. This is not an easy game. So the confidence for me,

01:09:34.500 at that moment with Bally's was, I know how to work. I'm going to keep learning. I'm going to hope

01:09:40.660 to learn better strategies. And I think I can last. If I can do those things, the capitalistic

01:09:46.380 system is going to favor people like that. I think, first of all, thank you for those nice

01:09:51.300 words. I think you had something else too, though, because what the, in that moment, there's a

01:09:56.260 principle, it's your principle telling you, I will not be treated like this. I need to be surrounded

01:10:01.500 by people who I trust, or I'd rather be on my own. Like there are no matter how badly I need the

01:10:07.000 paycheck or what a great runway I see for myself at this company. I'm not going to allow myself to

01:10:13.660 be treated like this. And it's, it's hard when you don't have power and you don't have money to

01:10:17.820 remember principle still matters. Like it's a lot easier when you have a lot of dough and power.

01:10:22.560 So I really, I thought it was a great story. And I think there is an example in there because

01:10:26.480 you know, you don't, you sacrifice your principles. You have very little, that was your driving force.

01:10:30.340 But the other thing is you, you always seemed like, to what extent is your innate optimism and

01:10:38.660 ability to relate to humans play in here? Because that story about you, when you had nothing, you had,

01:10:45.160 you had a crappy resume, you had, you hadn't even gone to college and you're applying to

01:10:51.540 Morgan Stanley. They don't hire people who did not graduate from college, nevermind

01:10:56.260 business school. And you did it with an amazing cover letter and a joke. Only somebody with a

01:11:04.160 special brain even thinks to do that. Like I'm going to go with my EQ. I'm going to dazzle them

01:11:10.360 with my EQ, if not my IQ. And everybody wanted you notwithstanding. So like there's something in

01:11:17.700 you, like, was that always there? Well, how did you develop that thing that led you to write that

01:11:22.720 letter? Yeah. You, you know, uh, uh, you ever hear stories of comedians, the guys that make it to the

01:11:28.920 top. And when you tell them, so, Hey, why are you so funny? And they'll say, you want to know about

01:11:34.160 my life? I did not have an easy life. And the reason why I didn't have an easy life, what we could

01:11:38.940 lean on was comedy. Dave Chappelle. Hey, you know, we have this, or Kevin Hart, his story with his

01:11:44.180 father or Joe Rogan, or you can tell so many of these stories with comedians. Uh, to me,

01:11:50.300 entertainment, jokes, sarcasm, humor is the ultimate coping mechanism to go through challenging

01:11:57.680 times. And when you are living in Iran, there is no hope you, we lived luckily in a family where both

01:12:03.600 my dad's side, the Syrian family, they were very sarcastic, very funny, very witty. And my mother's

01:12:09.860 side, I mean, even funnier and wittier. And I mean, they were just very witty. So I grew up in

01:12:15.800 that environment. You had no choice. We don't have money. So all we tell us, tell each other jokes.

01:12:18.860 Can you make me laugh? Can I make you laugh? And we're going to go through this tough time together.

01:12:22.100 So that kind of stayed a long. And then when you go to Germany and I start my first business at 10,

01:12:26.240 11 years old, and I'm trying to win people over through humor. And then later on, I applied to

01:12:31.860 Morgan Stanley Dean. There's no way in the world. I didn't even know what Goldman Sachs was back. Then I

01:12:35.980 applied to them. And Goldman Sachs was like, listen, there is TD Waterhouse. There is Solomon

01:12:43.440 Smith Barney. There's Morgan Stanley. There's Merrill Lynch. Then there is Goldman Sachs. You're not

01:12:50.000 going to get a job at Goldman Sachs without an MBA. Anyways, Trey, I send a resume in. My resume's

01:12:55.680 got Haagen-Dazs, Burger King, Bally's, military. You're not going to hire me with those things.

01:13:02.720 So on the resume, I put a real nice joke. And then on the bottom, I said, if you're laughing

01:13:08.860 right now, that's exactly how my clients are going to feel when they do business with me.

01:13:12.120 They're going to love me. If you want somebody like this on your team, give me a call.

01:13:14.780 It was faxed back then before Monster, indeed, all these guys. So I faxed it to 100 different

01:13:19.700 places. 30 of them got back to me. Half of them were just laughing at the joke, but they said,

01:13:24.360 you're not qualified. The other 15 offered me an interview. Three of them offered me a job. And I

01:13:28.800 started a day before 9-11 with Morgan Stanley, Dean Witter, and Glendale. And then, you know,

01:13:34.000 got my Series 7, 66, all the other licenses. But it was a very interesting. When I was doing my job

01:13:39.280 interview, you'll appreciate this. I'm sitting next to a girl named Sol, who Dave Kirby gave me the job.

01:13:45.380 I'll never forget that name. So he's doing the interview. He says, you know, you guys are here.

01:13:49.500 Congratulations for the final interview. We're only going to pick one of you.

01:13:52.280 So share with us your business plan. Now, Megan, I've never done a business plan. So

01:13:56.820 she goes first. Here's the business plan. First quarter, I'm going to target, you know,

01:14:02.200 dry cleaners because they're sitting a lot of cash. Second quarter, I'm going to go after car wash

01:14:06.440 owners. Third quarter, I'm going to go after doctors. Fourth quarter, I'm going to do this.

01:14:10.480 And my SAT score, 15-60. And I finished a four-year program at UC Berkeley in two and a half years.

01:14:15.020 And I was running a club on the side. And she's saying, there's no way in the world this guy's

01:14:18.820 going to hire me. I said, all right, what's your story? I said, listen, man, I got a one-page

01:14:22.500 business plan and it's very simple. It's called a three-foot role. I'm going to talk to everybody

01:14:27.160 and I'm going to make people laugh. If you want somebody like that, I know how to work hard from

01:14:30.800 the army, but that's who you're going to get with me. He sits there with the 30-second pause

01:14:34.940 and he says, you know what? I'm going to offer the job to both of you, except you guys have to share

01:14:40.940 a cubicle together and a computer. So we go to our cubicle and Sol says to me, I have no clue how you

01:14:46.800 got your job. And quite frankly, you probably have no clue how you got this job. Let me use the

01:14:50.760 computer. And then when you're no longer here, you'll figure out what your next job is going to

01:14:54.920 be. But you know, you're not going to be here long-term because you're not even going to pass

01:14:57.600 a series seven. Anyway, she ends up becoming a scientist, very successful. I leave, I start a

01:15:01.580 financial firm, but it was an interesting way of getting into the financial industry.

01:15:05.760 Oh my God. I love everything about that story. And I must know the joke that was in the cover letter.

01:15:11.760 So it's the, it's the father has three sons. He tells his sons, when I die,

01:15:15.760 I want you to throw a drop a thousand dollars in the, in the coffin. When I'm being buried,

01:15:21.280 the first son goes, drops 10, $100 bills. Everybody cries when the father dies. The second son drops

01:15:28.360 $20, $50 bills. Everybody cries. The third son is an accountant. He writes a check for $3,000,

01:15:34.680 takes the cash. He walks away. So that was the joke. I don't know if you got, he walked away with

01:15:39.480 $2,000 cash and nobody cashed the check, obviously, because the man is dead.

01:15:43.460 I had to give him an accounting joke. You're not going to fall for a regular joke. It had to be an

01:15:49.820 accounting joke since it's finance. Right. You can't go with like, there once was a man from

01:15:53.400 Nantucket. That's too on the nose. I can't do that one. No, these guys like numbers.

01:15:58.640 That's amazing. I love everything about that. And that ability just to relate to people like that's,

01:16:03.500 that's what sales is. That's really at its heart what banking is. All these guys on

01:16:07.620 Wall Street who do the best are the ones who can talk to people and sort of penetrate that sort of

01:16:12.660 veneer that we all put out there and make us trust, make us give our money, make us, you know,

01:16:17.980 really be vulnerable with our fortune, our children's education money, all the things that

01:16:23.280 you work so hard for. So it's something I've seen just since I moved to New York 20 years ago.

01:16:28.340 My husband's not in the financial industry, but all of his friends are. And the ones who are crushing

01:16:32.400 are the ones who are great with people. It's really not about that resume that that gal rattled

01:16:39.140 off. It's about the stuff you said. So I I'm inspired by it. I got the chills when you told

01:16:43.760 that story about getting hired. All right. Stand by PBD. Uh, we're coming right back with more after

01:16:49.640 this quick, quick break. Patrick, help the people understand how you wound up parlaying your

01:16:57.700 valleys, uh, into the Morgan Stanley year into this massive success that you are now. Like

01:17:05.260 what, what happened next? The reading of the books, the self, it was self-education. And then how did

01:17:10.920 you make your money? Yeah. Great question. So by the way, the same man that didn't give me the job

01:17:14.800 is the same man that recommended me to read a book called how to master the art of selling by, uh,

01:17:19.720 Tom Hopkins. And so I started reading books. I leave valleys. I started working at Morgan Stanley

01:17:25.520 Dean Witter. I fall in love with finances and the financial industry. Then I leave and I go to

01:17:30.620 trans America. I'm there for seven and a half years. And then I see what's going on with the

01:17:34.540 marketplace. I saw a big opportunity in the insurance industry. Uh, when you, at the time it

01:17:40.120 was interesting because Barack Obama goes and gives a speech at DNC. And next thing you know,

01:17:44.960 in 2008, he wins as a one-term Senator and he beats a couple heavyweights purely through social

01:17:50.680 media, Facebook, YouTube ads, $5, $10. And he learned how to get the Hispanic vote. And then I

01:17:56.600 saw Ron Paul back in the days when he raised $6 million on my space in 24 hours. It was like a

01:18:02.520 Guinness book of world record. And I noticed that's the direction it was going. And I saw everything

01:18:07.900 was about girl boss. Everybody, women want to be entrepreneurs. They control 75 cents for every

01:18:13.600 dollar, the decision-making. I said, okay, the insurance industry only had 17% of them that were

01:18:18.740 insurance women and Hispanics weren't really getting into the market. And people in the

01:18:24.160 industry didn't know how to get into the Hispanic market. And me being from Iran, I can connect with

01:18:28.680 anybody. October of 09, started my own insurance company with one office. And then we grew it from

01:18:33.520 66 agents to 40,000 agents nationwide, 15,000 agents active. We have a couple hundred offices

01:18:39.880 nationwide. And, uh, eventually a company named IMG came and partnered with us and they bought us out,

01:18:46.760 with, uh, through Silver Lake. And that was a great experience that took place, uh, June 27th of

01:18:52.600 last year. And then 10 years ago, I started part-time creating content on the side with a show called

01:18:59.180 two minutes with Pat. We would do an episode every week. And then we grew that and it became targeted

01:19:03.900 specifically for entrepreneurs. And then through entrepreneurship, you know, I started doing

01:19:08.840 interviews with, you know, bodybuilders and, you know, Kobe Bryant and politicians and FBI and different

01:19:15.020 personalities. And yeah, my interest for politics kept getting more and more and more. And then we

01:19:20.160 grew. And then today we moved to Florida two years ago. We're in South Florida. Right now we're in a

01:19:24.600 building that we are in a bank vault. That is our podcast studio. And we have 60 employees working out

01:19:31.820 of this building production consulting firm. And then we bought another building down the street that is

01:19:36.740 about to get done. This Sunday is going to be turning into a comedy club with a full-on set,

01:19:42.100 you know, where different podcasters can do their shows there with a private cigar lounge in the back.

01:19:47.560 It's just a very unique situation. And then we made an offer on an 11 acre, uh, land here because

01:19:52.980 we're building our studio. We'd like to build our playground for talent to come down here, whether

01:19:57.900 it's going to be movies, documentaries, shows, uh, podcasts where we're our vision, the next 40 years,

01:20:04.200 we're going to be, we're going to be competing in the media space. So all of that came about to where we

01:20:09.140 are today. Wow. I've now I'm getting the, so comedy podcasting bodybuilding. Now I'm starting

01:20:16.080 to understand your connection with Joe Rogan, who he loves you and has had you on many times.

01:20:20.840 These are some of his favorites too. Forgive me for going to the place that hurts, but I,

01:20:24.820 I would like to ask you about the controversy with Joe this week in the news. There's always one

01:20:28.120 or another. Um, he made a comment. Uh, I will just play it. And now people are coming for him.

01:20:34.160 Uh, it's about, it's with our pals, crystal ball and Sagar and Jetty were on, and here's

01:20:38.980 the soundbite nine sitting next to Ilya and Omar where she's, uh, she's apologizing for

01:20:46.060 talking about, it's all about the Benjamins. Yeah. Which is just about money. She's talking

01:20:49.640 about money. She shouldn't have apologized. That was not an anti-Semitic statement. I don't

01:20:53.360 think that is. It's about Benjamins or money. You know, the, the idea that Jewish people are

01:20:57.640 not into money is ridiculous. That's like saying Italians aren't into pizza. It's fucking stupid.

01:21:04.160 Uh, so even Ben Shapiro, he's not, he's, you know, he's not real quick to push for people

01:21:11.060 to be corrected on their speech, but he said he had a private conversation with Joe about

01:21:14.900 how there's a trope. It's sort of like to, as I see it, Pat, it's like, you can say I'm

01:21:21.780 lazy, me, Megan Kelly, I'm lazy. But if you want to use that term lazy about a black man,

01:21:27.340 it has a different connotation, right? Cause it's just a term that's been thrown at them

01:21:31.300 many, many times is like, uh, and that's the thing about Jewish people and the quote,

01:21:35.400 the Benjamins or the money is like, it's a trope. It's been thrown at them in particular

01:21:39.440 over time in a way that's wound up being very, you know, destructive.

01:21:44.220 And what did Joe say when Ben called him? Did they talk about it or no? Did Ben say that

01:21:49.040 Joe received the message?

01:21:50.920 I'm sure he did. Right. Joe's like, he's not somebody who's going to be like, F you.

01:21:55.100 Why'd you call me to say this stuff? I mean, Ben's been on Joe's show many times. Um, I'm sure

01:22:01.220 they had a good conversation about all I know. I just heard Ben say that he had spoken to him

01:22:04.860 about it, but what do you make of it? Oh my God, this stuff drives me insane, Megan. I got to tell

01:22:11.340 you, it absolutely drives me insane. Okay. So, um, I'm from Iran. Okay. I'm not going to say it.

01:22:19.960 You're not going to say it, but everyone's going to think about it. When you think about

01:22:24.520 the events that's taken place the last 40 years, what nationality do people think about? Do they

01:22:32.160 think about, and I'm talking about wars, you know, nine 11, what, what ethnicity do you think about?

01:22:39.520 Do you think about whites? Do you think about blacks? Do you think about Hispanics? Or do you think

01:22:43.880 about middle Easterns? I'm from Iran. When nine 11 happened, I'm sitting with a family who was a

01:22:48.520 Mormon family. I'll never forget this. I was in Camarillo. This is a literally couple of weeks

01:22:54.060 after nine 11 happened and I'm tall. And at the time I had a beard, big mistake, but I had a beard

01:22:59.300 at the time. And I don't, it's not like I look like the friendliest guy and I'm six, four, six, five.

01:23:03.080 So let her own out a beard on top of it. Klein looks at me and he says, where are you from? I said,

01:23:08.700 I'm from Iran. Really? Yes. How do you feel about what just happened right now with nine 11?

01:23:13.300 And I said, uh, Matt, it's, it's a shame what just took place. And they say, uh, yeah, you know

01:23:19.240 what? We can't do business with somebody like you. I said, you can't do business with somebody like

01:23:23.720 who says, no, we would like to buy insurance, but we just don't trust doing business with somebody

01:23:27.540 from Iran. Now I'm 23 years old at the time, 23, 24. I'm furious. I'm upset, but I have to sit there

01:23:35.660 and say, okay, fair. I understand why you feel the way you do. I can't come out and cry about it.

01:23:43.940 That is a stereotype that some families and ethnicities and communities have a, uh, that

01:23:49.740 stays with them. The same are Jews. The same are whites. People are very comfortable to call whites,

01:23:55.280 white supremacists or racist. Same with black, same with Hispanics, same with anything. By the way,

01:24:00.380 last names, I can say the same thing to you with last names. If I gave you a Trump, I said,

01:24:05.480 this person's name is Bob Trump. Okay. What are you going to think about him? 10, 20 years from

01:24:10.840 now? He's a Trump. What if I say this name, this person's Jack Kennedy related to the, you're going

01:24:16.880 to have a disposition. And what if I told you this person's last name is Floyd, Obama, Jordan? I can't

01:24:23.560 go on Clinton. If I, Hey, meet Jason Clinton here. Really relation to Clinton's. Yes. He's a nephew.

01:24:29.680 Oh, everybody's going to go somewhere. So this concept about, we have to be robots and,

01:24:34.400 you know, get everything to be perfectly in place. I'm sorry. I have a hard time with that.

01:24:39.560 Joe's a comedian. Okay. And if you don't like Joe, when he's talking to what he does and say,

01:24:44.840 this is like the same thing with pizza and all this other stuff, I'm not forgiven on his behalf

01:24:48.760 and I'm not defending him. All I'm saying is we kind of have to grow up a little bit and not act

01:24:54.980 like, Hey, you can't say that about my community yet. You do it yourself all the time. So if you want to

01:25:00.400 be forgiven, when it's on you, you have to forget, forgive and move on. I have a very hard time with

01:25:05.300 this, uh, uh, argument that people make, we kind of have to all grow up and realize we're going to

01:25:11.320 make these types of comments. And trust me, when it comes down to your term that you want to be

01:25:14.580 forgiven, you want to make sure you let this one go and say, Hey, the guy does, how many hours has

01:25:19.320 he spoken? Okay. So I'm saying how many times has Kobe Bryant, uh, made a last shot that he missed

01:25:26.140 because he takes the last shot. How many hours has Kobe played? How many hours has Joe Rogan

01:25:30.720 played? So I have a heart. And by the way, just so you know, I don't know what Joe said about this

01:25:35.960 afterwards. I don't know what Shapiro said. And Joe and I haven't spoken about it. I'm giving you my

01:25:40.780 opinion and I've not even talked about this on my own podcast. I'm giving you my raw feelings. So I'm

01:25:45.020 sure some people are going to come back and say, how could you say something like that for

01:25:48.280 somebody that left Iran and somebody that's Armenian, Assyrian Christian? Totally get it.

01:25:52.360 This is how I feel about the situation. Yeah. Fair enough. Um, I forgive me for the,

01:25:57.600 the diversion, but you mentioned the Kennedys and I know from your books, there was a time in your

01:26:02.920 life when you were obsessed with marrying one. You wanted to be the Iranian Arnold Schwarzenegger,

01:26:07.900 right? So like you thought you were going to be a bodybuilder. You were going to make it big in

01:26:11.820 industry. You're going to possibly be a Hollywood actor and you were going to marry a Kennedy.

01:26:15.500 Now, why were you obsessed with marrying a Kennedy?

01:26:20.780 It, I mean, think about it at the time. If you think about the biggest last names in the history

01:26:25.200 of America, what last names do we think about? Vanderbilt, Rockefeller, Kennedy. Uh, you can't

01:26:31.180 even put Reagan in that because Reagan's family lineage, it's not Kennedy, right? You can put Bush in

01:26:38.200 there with maybe the Prescott and senior and GW and Jeb and what they've done. Okay. But, uh, you know,

01:26:46.280 Kennedy was at the top. So to marry into a family like that is to say, you're going to marry into a

01:26:52.440 famous, powerful family to see what that's going to look like. But I ended up marrying into a family

01:26:57.320 that's called Hudman and I converted her into a bit, David, and we have four beautiful kids together

01:27:02.700 and happily married. And you're fine with that. You landed it in a good place. I'm so fine with

01:27:07.580 that. Yes. I don't know. It seems like a more hassle than it's worth, especially that family,

01:27:11.980 which yes, a lot of blessings, but a lot of curses too. My God, it's like, you know,

01:27:16.280 if you look at the bad things that have happened to the Kennedy family, you have to really be

01:27:19.460 hesitant about joining or reproducing. No question about it. Yeah. I think it feels like it landed a

01:27:23.980 good place for you. So now you've got how many kids for four kids? Yes. Okay. Including a new baby

01:27:30.040 as of 2021? Yes. Brooklyn. She is 19 months and she's the smartest out of all of them because

01:27:35.980 she loves daddy the most. She's very wise. Oh my goodness. So now that you've got the four,

01:27:41.320 has it changed your approach to business, to your, your work-life balance, right? Has,

01:27:46.700 how's that playing out for you? It's a good question you ask. It's a very good question you

01:27:50.260 ask. And my answer is going to be not what you expect. So for me, uh, I hear this story about people

01:27:56.920 that are building a business to say the following, Oh my God, I can't wait to be a millionaire so I can

01:28:02.880 give to my kids what I could never get myself. And I can spend all the time with my kids. Okay.

01:28:09.120 That sounds good. And I'm sure you visualize unicorns flying over your house and it's just a

01:28:15.040 beautiful climate and great music is playing and people are outside with harps and clouds and all this

01:28:21.160 bullshit you and I visualize, but that's not how life works. Here's how I see it. The way I see it is

01:28:26.580 the following, what I owe my kids. I did a course a couple of months. We did a video, uh, on

01:28:31.240 generational wealth. And because I'm at a phase right now, we're, you know, we're dealing with

01:28:36.620 Goldman Sachs. We're dealing with Morgan Stanley. We're dealing with different kinds of methods of

01:28:40.320 updating your state and all these different things that we have, you know, uh, I'm having the

01:28:45.580 conversations about what's going to happen with these kids when they realize their parents have

01:28:49.640 money. And then, Hey, what do you do with this? So I go up to my kids. Don't worry. They're not

01:28:53.220 going to get anything given the state tax laws. They'll get nothing. So I go up to the kids and

01:28:58.900 Megan, you'll appreciate this. I go up and say, so Tico Dilley, these are my oldest sons and my

01:29:02.960 daughter who's six. She's there as well said, what should happen to the money that we have?

01:29:08.620 If, uh, God forbid I die. And the kids say, well, daddy, the mommy should go. The money should go to

01:29:13.860 mommy. Okay. Let me try this question one more time. What if me and mommy die? God forbid.

01:29:18.100 Why? It should go to me. I'm the oldest brother. Okay. So then the youngest brother's like, wait a

01:29:23.520 minute, what are you talking about? How about me? And then he looks at his brother and says,

01:29:27.080 yeah, you're right. Dad, it should be 50, 50 between me and Dylan. Then six-year-old daughter

01:29:32.200 sent us like, but what about me? And says, Dylan, what should we do? Well, we'll give you a little

01:29:37.740 bit of money. Why are you going to give me a little bit of money? So this debate started. They're

01:29:40.720 already fighting. I'm causing this fight 40 years before the event takes place. But then I'm

01:29:45.060 saying, well, let me ask you a question. Should everybody get the equal amount? If one of you

01:29:48.040 guys decides to do some stupid drugs, you wasted, you marry into a family and that family could

01:29:53.260 care less about all this. No, that kid shouldn't get anything. I said, okay, I kind of agree with

01:29:58.240 you. What about this? So they don't even know, but they wrote the trust that day and they agreed

01:30:02.960 the terms, that 20 minute conversation. Anyways, generational wealth, the Vanderbilt family,

01:30:08.640 they have all this money. They become the richest family in the world. They're worth a few hundred

01:30:13.020 billion dollars of today's money at the time. They built a house worth one and a half billion

01:30:18.080 dollars of today's money. Who the hell does something like that? Their money only lasted

01:30:21.840 two generations. Rothschild is seven. Medici is seven generations. Rothschild is four, I believe.

01:30:28.260 Medici is seven generations. So I looked at the things they did right and the things they didn't

01:30:32.820 do right. And you'll notice the ones that did things wrong, they passed down the money,

01:30:39.840 but not the habits. My job isn't to pass down the money to my kids. The hardest job I have is to

01:30:45.580 pass down the habits I have to them. So if on my first kid, my oldest son sees me working hard

01:30:50.860 and the second one sees me working less hard and the third one and the fourth one, all I'm doing is

01:30:56.900 I'm teaching my oldest son hard work and my youngest daughter not to work hard because they're going to

01:31:02.780 do what they see. Now will you tell them more is caught than taught in parenting? So for me, yes,

01:31:08.160 they live in a beautiful place. Yes, they live in a place that looks like a resort. And yes,

01:31:11.940 they get to travel. The other day, my nine-year-old son, look at the spoiled kid here.

01:31:15.660 What he says is his dad. I got to tell you this, dad, moving forward. I can't do commercial

01:31:20.940 because it's too stressful. This is just too much for me. I said, who are you? He says,

01:31:26.140 I'm telling you, you book me commercial. I'm not going on that flight. I said, no problem.

01:31:31.020 You're going to go sit all the way in the economy class if you're talking this kind of no,

01:31:35.820 100%. You don't know what you just did to yourself.

01:31:40.380 You're never flying private again.

01:31:44.100 So you got to manage that spoiled nest that you want that luxury, but they're going to see a

01:31:49.460 glimpse of that. But at the same time, you know, you as a father and as a parent, it's the toughest

01:31:54.140 thing to do. You have to find a way to make their life hard as difficult as it's going to be because

01:31:59.180 their life is a lot easier than yours. Yes, that's so good. I love that. Most of it is caught,

01:32:03.320 not taught. You're right. You do have to find a way to make it hard. And it was easier when it

01:32:07.540 was naturally hard for you, for me too. It's not like I, you know, grew up in a war-torn country

01:32:13.080 where, you know, like you did, but certainly had my own challenges. And I know you're big on turning

01:32:18.320 pain into purpose and using pain as fuel. And I would love to get back to that mentality. Now it's

01:32:23.400 like, I will say this, I got this from Oprah and it's real. I've turned on Oprah, but I believe in

01:32:28.120 this philosophy, which is every time something massively difficult, challenging, or even bad

01:32:33.380 happens to you, your first reaction should be to say thank you. Because there's just no way

01:32:39.260 of getting to be a bigger person, like a bigger, stronger, more resilient person without those

01:32:46.380 challenges. You know, you were referencing me earlier. I, I definitely out hustled most of the

01:32:50.620 people that I ever worked with that helped, that helped me a lot. But also I was just resilient.

01:32:54.340 It was just, I just didn't know it really matter how much you put me down or attacked me or did

01:32:59.300 something bad to me. Even when I was a lawyer, I would still be there the next day. I'd still be

01:33:02.900 fighting. I was just like very hard to keep me down. And there's no way of getting that in our kids

01:33:07.200 without knocking them down. You know, ideally not us, but like life.

01:33:13.520 Yeah. You're, you're tough, Megan. I mean, you, you got a, you got a dog fight in you.

01:33:19.560 Definitely people don't want to be your enemy. You're tough. So I, you know, you're on the other

01:33:25.740 end. Of course you're interviewing me in this setting, but trust me, I have spent a hundred

01:33:30.740 times more hours watching you than you watching me. It's great to see a pro no matter what they

01:33:37.080 do. I love seeing somebody who's great in sports, watching what they do, whether it's in movies and

01:33:40.800 Hollywood and politics, you're, you're up there with everybody. What you do, it's, it's very tough to

01:33:46.120 do what you do. It's a, it's very admirable to see you competing and not wanting to say,

01:33:51.000 well, as a woman, this nope, I compete against men, women, and this is what I've done. So

01:33:56.260 it's a, it's admirable senior, what you've done.

01:33:58.940 Oh, well, thank you. No, it's funny. I, I, I had plenty of battles with male co-anchors where

01:34:04.860 they thought they should have sort of the first say at this or the first try at that or the first

01:34:09.200 appearance. And I was always like, F you, no, that's not, no, we're not doing it like that. You don't

01:34:14.540 get a, you don't get to go first because you've got this or you've got like, who's, who's stronger,

01:34:21.560 who's got better ratings or at a minimum we'll flip a coin, but we're not, I'm not ceding to you

01:34:26.800 because of whatever. Is that, is that, is that the youngest sibling? Where did that dog fight come

01:34:33.780 from? I, I think it's the combination of being Irish and Italian. I just think it's like, I mean,

01:34:40.420 you can finish it. It's like nitroglycerin, you know, in a good way. It just needs to be

01:34:45.280 chilled properly. Just get your Irish up and then your Italians fighting too. This is so fun,

01:34:50.560 Patrick. I hope you come back. I want to, I want a much longer conversation about many more things.

01:34:54.820 Thank you for being here. I look forward to, thank you for the invite.

01:34:59.700 Listen to this BS spin. Bloomberg, Fox News declined a White House offer for Biden to be interviewed by its

01:35:05.860 Fox soul streaming service targeted to black viewers. The White House said the White House

01:35:10.360 and Bloomberg are getting around to try to make it look like it was a racist rejection by Fox of

01:35:14.840 his golden opportunity. The interviewer was going to be the actress Vivica Fox. Fox has a whole news

01:35:20.920 channel called Fox News Channel. That's who offered the interview. This is absurd. Grow a pair. I'm sorry.

01:35:27.820 The White House needs to grow a pair, sit down with a real journalist like Brett Baer. I would do it too.

01:35:32.760 Um, and answer some tough questions for the love of God. Have a wonderful weekend. Don't forget to

01:35:38.320 join us next week. We've got David Sachs. He got Clay Travis. He got Spencer Clavin. He's awesome.

01:35:42.580 Plus much, much more. And I'll be live from Vegas. Have a great weekend.

01:35:50.100 Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

01:36:02.760 Thanks for listening.

01:36:12.920 Thanks for listening.

The Megyn Kelly Show - February 10, 2023

Fetterman Truth Coming Out, and Overcoming Cultural Focus on Race, with Victor Davis Hanson and Patrick Bet-David ｜ Ep. 491

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