The Megyn Kelly Show - Financial and Political Iran Impact, with Saagar Enjeti, Plus Talarico Surge and Gross Colbert Poetry, with Isabel Brown and Brianna Lyman ｜ 1272

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00:00:42.940 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111, every weekday at New East.

00:00:54.660 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:00:56.500 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, and day five from our remote tropical location as my children celebrate spring break.

00:01:04.680 But I am not.

00:01:06.160 I am happily with you guys in the mornings and with my family in the afternoons, and that's been working out okay for me.

00:01:11.180 I'm not going to lie.

00:01:11.740 There was some evening celebration last night, which is making this morning slightly fatigued for me, but not bad, not bad.

00:01:19.920 It's great to be with you all.

00:01:21.480 There is so much happening in the world, as you know.

00:01:23.900 It's been like drinking from the news fire hose.

00:01:26.820 And if you were to check any news site, you would think the only thing going on in the world is the Iran war, because everybody's devoted to it right now. 0.74

00:01:35.020 I mean, truly, it's amazing to me how news disappears when a big story comes, because every reporter in the world is obsessed with Iran.

00:01:42.260 I wouldn't say we're obsessed with it, but we're very, very concerned about it.

00:01:45.140 And this is part of the challenge, is figuring out what's real, what's propaganda, not just from their side, but from our own, and how the war is really going.

00:01:58.540 Defense Secretary of War Pete Hegseth had another presser this morning with Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Dan Cain, and came out swinging.

00:02:09.080 He, too, has a job of trying to spin us.

00:02:11.700 I mean, that's part of his job, and he's good at it, because he comes from TV and Fox News.

00:02:16.800 And so with him, too, I respect Pete and obviously advocated for him, but you've got to be somewhat skeptical as a reporter and a news consumer about the just sweepingly positive reports he gives, and also the sweepingly negative reports the president's critics drop online.

00:02:36.140 It's been an effort, even for us, and we're in the news business, and my team and I have been working together for 20 years, some of us, and even we are struggling to figure out whom to believe and where to discount the reports.

00:02:50.440 While all this happens, not surprisingly, already we are seeing an increase in domestic terror attacks here at home.

00:02:59.240 There were two troubling incidents yesterday here in America.

00:03:03.180 You know, one terrorist, previously convicted of attempting to provide material support to ISIS, might have wanted to have eyes on this guy, shot and killed the chair of Old Dominion University's military science department and wounded two others.

00:03:17.460 He was ultimately taken down and killed by heroic students in the ROTC class.

00:03:21.820 That terrorist was a naturalized citizen from Sierra Leone.

00:03:24.660 And in Michigan, how's it going in Michigan, guys?

00:03:29.480 How's everything out there?

00:03:31.660 A naturalized citizen from Lebanon rammed his car packed with explosives into the Temple Israel synagogue.

00:03:40.660 All right, luckily, the only person killed in that attack was the attacker, and truly, it is a blessing.

00:03:45.400 But that guy rams his truck in there full of explosives, starts shooting 30 of the teachers and others, or the firefighters too, I think it was.

00:03:55.400 And the cops have been hospitalized due to smoke inhalation because he set the car on fire and then he also started to shoot up the room, the facility, but amazingly, no one else was killed.

00:04:07.460 You know, we saw the terrorist attack down in Austin.

00:04:09.400 We're going to see more and more of this because this is how radical Muslims who are over here in America will start, you know, their retaliation. 0.60

00:04:21.200 This is what they can do.

00:04:22.180 They may not be able to defeat the U.S. military, but they can do this. 0.76

00:04:26.700 They can grab a gun and go shoot up a bar in Austin or go to a temple. 0.59

00:04:32.080 Meantime, in Iran, the U.S. is staying on offense.

00:04:34.360 With the military saying today will be the heaviest day of attacks yet.

00:04:39.560 President Trump pushing back on the narratives in the corporate media.

00:04:42.080 He's posting on True Social this morning.

00:04:43.640 If you read the failing New York Times, you would incorrectly think we are not winning. 0.99

00:04:48.040 Watch what happens to these deranged scumbags today. 1.00

00:04:51.100 They've been killing innocent people all over the world for 47 years, and now I, as the 47th president of the United States of America, am killing them. 1.00

00:04:58.440 What a great honor it is to do so, unquote.

00:05:02.920 Secretary of War Pete Hexeth, as I mentioned, taking to the mics and pushing back hard against a CNN report that hit late last night, claiming the U.S. underestimated Iran's capability to shut down oil shipping through the Strait of Hormuz.

00:05:17.300 Watch.

00:05:17.480 Or more fake news from CNN reports that the Trump administration underestimated the Iran war's impact on the Strait of Hormuz. 0.79

00:05:27.760 Patently ridiculous, of course.

00:05:30.440 For decades, Iran has threatened shipping in the Strait of Hormuz. 0.84

00:05:33.940 This is always what they do.

00:05:35.500 Hold the Strait hostage.

00:05:38.420 CNN doesn't think we thought of that.

00:05:41.100 It's a fundamentally unserious report.

00:05:44.060 The sooner David Ellison takes over that network, the better.

00:05:49.840 That reference is to Paramount CEO David Ellison, whose company agreed to acquire CNN's parent company earlier this month, with the deal expected to be finalized later this year.

00:05:59.120 Joining me now for a reaction to all of this and more is Sagar Anjeti.

00:06:02.300 He's co-host of Breaking Points with our friend Crystal Ball.

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00:06:54.420 Sagar, welcome to the show.

00:06:55.580 Great to see you again.

00:06:56.460 And put it in perspective for us because, you know, you have diametrically opposed information coming now.

00:07:02.600 I mean, Pete Hegseth, the way he spoke about this war this morning was we, like, we are just crushing it.

00:07:09.100 We are moments away from ending it.

00:07:10.540 I'll give you a little bit more.

00:07:11.540 Here he is on SOT1.

00:07:13.060 Listen.

00:07:14.040 We said it would not be a fair fight, and it has not been.

00:07:16.780 Over 15,000 enemy targets have been struck.

00:07:20.340 Their missile volume is down 90%.

00:07:23.020 Their one-way attack drones yesterday, down 95%.

00:07:28.440 They are exercising sheer desperation in the Straits of Hormuz.

00:07:34.080 Something we're dealing with.

00:07:35.980 We have been dealing with it.

00:07:37.060 And don't need to worry about it.

00:07:39.600 Soon and very soon, all of Iran's defense companies will be destroyed.

00:07:44.820 Iran's leadership is in no better shape.

00:07:48.660 Desperate and hiding, they've gone underground.

00:07:51.800 Cowering. 0.81

00:07:52.840 That's what rats do. 0.99

00:07:55.000 With every passing hour, we know, and we know they know, that the military capabilities of their evil regime are crumbling. 0.82

00:08:03.480 So do we believe that's true?

00:08:05.860 I do not believe that that is true, Megan.

00:08:08.040 And I think that you did a very important caveat near the top.

00:08:10.940 It's not a personal call-out for anybody involved.

00:08:13.200 You and I have been involved with this business to see many people take that Pentagon podium, and almost all of them lie directly to your face in a time of war.

00:08:21.140 So let's just assess the facts as we actually know them.

00:08:24.300 The latter one, where Secretary Haig said that Iranian leaders are hiding like rats in a ground, is literally categorically untrue.

00:08:31.620 Actually, today was the Quds Day parade that happened in the streets of Tehran, where the entire Iranian top echelon actually took to the streets with a crowd of tens of thousands around them.

00:08:42.940 The National Security Advisor, the foreign minister, all giving statements in the streets, being followed by the security guards with cameras that were in front of them, effectively saying,

00:08:52.080 we are not afraid, as you could actually hear, Israeli and U.S. strikes that were happening in the background.

00:08:57.760 Right.

00:08:58.000 So there you go.

00:08:58.560 You can actually literally see it in front of you.

00:09:00.820 They don't look like rats.

00:09:01.700 They were hiding in the ground to me.

00:09:03.460 On the statement that were happening there at the top about Iranian missile production, that is a very, very difficult claim to assess.

00:09:11.440 But we can look to history.

00:09:12.720 Yesterday, I interviewed Professor Robert Pape.

00:09:15.360 I highly recommend everybody go and engage with his work.

00:09:18.480 He is the preeminent American scholar on air power, and he has consistently noted that air power alone is almost – not almost impossible, impossible to dislodge a regime, which is really what this war is about.

00:09:30.280 Now, even in terms of reducing the enemy's ability to produce, let's assess that through history.

00:09:36.120 We do know, of course, even with Allied bombing near air superiority over Germany, that German war production actually peaked in the year 1944.

00:09:45.040 We also know that the Iranians have had 47 years, of course, as the president said at the top in his Truth Social post, to plan and to disperse their entire production facilities underground, many of which are inaccessible. 0.94

00:09:57.180 So we may have hit 90 percent or 95 percent of what we know about, but of course there are unknown unknowns in war, as Donald Rumsfeld used to say to us at the height of the Iraq war.

00:10:07.300 And I also will say this.

00:10:09.220 Bloomberg reported just this morning Iranian ballistic missile firing has actually remained constant through the war, especially when you match it.

00:10:17.040 They're saying that their strikes are reducing – our strikes are actually reducing as well compared to the original first days of the war.

00:10:24.180 And I really want people to – I want people to put in some historical context of what's happening here.

00:10:29.640 A lot of the statements from Secretary Hegsteth and General Cain really remind me of General Westmoreland from MACV, or Military Assistance Command, Vietnam.

00:10:38.460 What they would emphasize are these amazing numbers, the body count.

00:10:42.620 We killed 292 Viet Cong yesterday, and we bombed X amount of hectakers, removing them from the enemy. 1.00

00:10:49.200 But what about the strategy?

00:10:50.480 So while we were killing these millions of North Vietnamese or Viet Cong, were we winning the war? 0.99

00:10:55.500 And the answer was no, right?

00:10:56.800 It says strategically, it was a massive defeat.

00:10:59.320 So do not get distracted, as many of us saw in the Iraq war with shock and awe.

00:11:04.640 Well, shock and awe was a supposedly incredible military success, but strategically it was a nightmare because it led to a civil war, ethnic sectarian conflict, and some 7, 18 years of occupation in Iraq, not to mention Afghanistan.

00:11:19.080 We easily defeated the Taliban, but it took 20 years, and of course they're back. 0.90

00:11:23.220 So we need to actually assess the strategic picture from a high level and not fall for what the military always likes to do about numbers of targets that have all been hit.

00:11:33.040 And also just take a look at some of the things that have happened to us.

00:11:36.240 Let's take a look at our strategic picture, our domestic picture.

00:11:38.940 And we're watching already seven Americans who have been killed in action, four just yesterday, who have been confirmed dead in this tanker crash that happened over Iraq, too, remain missing.

00:11:50.000 A French soldier was tragically killed also yesterday.

00:11:53.600 I mean, one of the first KIA that they've had, obviously, in quite a long time.

00:11:57.200 Not to mention thousands of Iranian civilians, Lebanese civilians as well, civilians in Israel.

00:12:05.580 There are soldiers in Kuwait, civilians all across the Gulf who've had debris, who have fallen on them.

00:12:12.080 So this is a regional and global conflict now at this point.

00:12:15.760 That we unleashed, that we chose to go over and unleash, which I want to return back to in a second because there was an interesting discussion between Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly.

00:12:25.020 O'Reilly claimed to have information clearly from the White House, although he didn't source it that way, on why we got into this war.

00:12:32.280 And I'd love to get your take on it.

00:12:33.280 Before we get to that, though, you mentioned Professor Pape.

00:12:35.180 He was very interesting.

00:12:36.180 University of Chicago on your show.

00:12:38.040 We pulled a little bit of it.

00:12:39.680 Recommend going back and listening to the whole podcast for everybody.

00:12:42.320 But here's SOT 13.

00:12:44.120 So as this thing unfolds, we need to understand that we really, really have touched off the escalation trap in a way.

00:12:54.360 And the biggest problem is that President Trump just is losing control.

00:12:59.020 And he's going to try to get the control back.

00:13:01.160 But so, too, did Lyndon Johnson.

00:13:02.820 I was going to say, that's the LBJ trap. 0.99

00:13:04.720 We can call it that.

00:13:05.340 It's the LBJ trap. 0.90

00:13:06.280 It's the same.

00:13:07.100 They're, I think, mesmerized by this illusion of control of escalation.

00:13:13.840 And you even hear President Trump saying, when will Iran reach the breaking point?

00:13:19.340 That was exactly the rhetoric of LBJ.

00:13:22.660 How can we break the back of the North Vietnamese? 1.00

00:13:27.580 And that search for the breaking point.

00:13:30.120 There's actually articles with those titles.

00:13:33.320 The search for the breaking point, you see.

00:13:36.460 And that language, I mean, I don't think Trump probably went back to the speeches of LBJ.

00:13:42.420 This is the reality of the frameworks.

00:13:45.080 The frameworks force this, you see.

00:13:49.160 And so that's why those frameworks matter.

00:13:51.240 Well, that's what's scary, Sagar.

00:13:53.680 Because, you know, I was talking to some guys last night.

00:13:56.360 And they were very supportive of the president and this war, saying, we're going to get in there. 0.95

00:14:00.180 We're going to get rid of these mofos at the top, the Ayatollah and his top henchmen. 1.00

00:14:04.760 You know, we have a real shot at returning Iran to the 1970s Iran, where the women were walking around in Western clothing. 0.98

00:14:10.820 And we have a government that's friendly to the United States.

00:14:14.700 But then when you get down in the nitty-gritty of how?

00:14:18.480 Have you considered the IRGC, like how strong they are, how entrenched they are, how many of them they are?

00:14:23.080 How are we going to get them to put down their guns?

00:14:24.840 Who exactly is going to make them do it?

00:14:26.960 What members of the regime have yet to fall?

00:14:28.920 And how are we going to take them out?

00:14:30.060 Like, it gets a lot more complicated.

00:14:33.660 Beyond complicated.

00:14:34.820 And with great respect to those individuals, that's incredibly magical thinking.

00:14:37.960 And I think you're falling for some memes about photos of women in Tehran and not the reality of a country of 93 million people.

00:14:45.820 Okay, one-third of the United States population.

00:14:48.880 Let's remember and just think about how you might be able to transpose a picture, let's say, of Los Angeles and try and take that as representative of the entire nation. 0.58

00:14:57.020 It would be ridiculous, of course.

00:14:58.380 So let's just understand, first of all, that we're dealing with a highly complicated country.

00:15:02.260 Now, also, let's take it back to the work of Professor Pape, and this is the scariness of it, is that initially it's very clear that the White House expected an enormous tactical and strategic success.

00:15:11.940 They would have smashing strikes.

00:15:13.360 They would take out the highest salon of the regime.

00:15:15.560 The regime would immediately fold, and then they would come and that they would say, okay, cry uncle.

00:15:20.020 They would surrender.

00:15:20.800 Instead, what happened is they went for maximal retaliation with what they have in their arsenal, which is asymmetric warfare.

00:15:27.080 They want to inflict maximum economic pain on the American and global economy.

00:15:31.520 They also want to be able to strike to every U.S. ally.

00:15:34.760 They want to use up a vast portion of U.S. interceptors and munitions.

00:15:38.940 Hopefully, we can return to that because our defense readiness picture right now is a nightmare after only just 12 days of war, dramatically weakening us vis-a-vis China and our ability to project power across the globe. 0.99

00:15:50.360 But really, this is the history of all wars.

00:15:53.280 What happens is that you have an initial expectation of success.

00:15:57.000 The enemy gets a vote.

00:15:58.640 And so what happens is it morphs from an initial tactical encounter, let's say, between the U.S. military and the Iranian military to now, if we want to break the back, as Professor Pape said there, then we must engage in total war.

00:16:11.400 And to engage in total war, that means we have to remove the capacity of the Iranian people to make war upon the United States on the Gulf and to close the Straits of Hormuz. 0.68

00:16:22.020 That is not just regime change.

00:16:23.600 That requires occupation.

00:16:25.320 That requires nation building.

00:16:27.160 And that is effectively what we are in an escalation trap of right now.

00:16:31.500 And this is why we never succeeded in Vietnam because we tried to exactly copy this mistake.

00:16:37.180 LBJ very often would think that dropping bombs, let's say the number of bombs in World War II, was equivalent to success.

00:16:45.600 Obviously, that was not the case in that conflict.

00:16:49.480 What would have needed would a literal occupation of the entire country, a commitment to staying there forever, to consistently engage in counterinsurgency, to build the nation, what we did in Germany and in Japan. 0.95

00:17:02.300 You've mentioned, and I've talked about with Tucker, about unconditional surrender.

00:17:06.960 Unconditional surrender, let's be very clear, requires dropping atomic bombs.

00:17:11.560 It requires a full-style occupation.

00:17:14.580 Remember, the Soviet Union took 400,000 casualties in 1945 alone, advancing on Berlin.

00:17:22.320 That's what unconditional surrender means.

00:17:23.900 It means you break the back of the enemy and completely destroy their capacity, their will to fight, occupy them, and then rebuild and impose your martial will upon their soul.

00:17:35.180 These people will fight to the death.

00:17:37.120 And unfortunately, that is the project that we are now engaged in in conjunction with the nation of Israel.

00:17:42.800 Well, this is one of the things that many people who are skeptical about the war are worried about because now that we're in this fight and, you know, now what is Iran's goal with respect to Israel now?

00:17:55.280 I mean, more than ever, for sure.

00:17:57.160 They already wanted to wipe them off the face of the map.

00:17:59.020 That really was a goal.

00:18:00.220 But now, have they backed off of that now that they've been attacked?

00:18:03.540 Obviously, at Israel's behest and explicitly per our Secretary of State and others.

00:18:07.760 So, what does Israel do?

00:18:10.160 Like, it's already been reported that Trump understands this decision has to be made in tandem with them, even though this is a country of 9 million and we have 350 million and we have our own concerns here.

00:18:19.900 Apparently, we're treating ourselves as equal partners in this thing as opposed to the senior partner.

00:18:24.380 And what incentive does Israel have to stop this thing before there's complete annihilation of everyone at the top of the Iranian regime, which means tens of thousands?

00:18:34.860 And if we stop before then, what does Israel do?

00:18:38.500 I mean, what weapons do they unleash on Iran?

00:18:41.180 And where does that take us?

00:18:42.880 Right.

00:18:43.040 Of course, Israel is a nuclear armed power. 0.86

00:18:45.180 And by the way, they're much more likely to use their nuclear weapons, actually, than we are, considering the asymmetry exactly of what you just talked about.

00:18:51.440 That's why they became a nuclear armed power.

00:18:53.380 But this is where, let me make it very clear, is that Israel and the United States have completely divergent interests.

00:18:58.240 Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu gave a speech just yesterday where he bragged about how Israel is now becoming a, quote, global superpower.

00:19:06.780 This is effectively his goal in getting the United States into this conflict.

00:19:11.740 The United States and Israel have completely divergent interests in Iran.

00:19:15.840 In Israel, what they want is total regional hegemony.

00:19:19.620 They could care less what happens to Iran, whether they have the Ayatollah in charge, which is, you know, over a rump state, whether it's a thriving democracy, they could care less.

00:19:28.960 What they want is a literal civil war rump state, which they can easily control, which is what happened in Syria. 0.56

00:19:35.120 Now, not to mention the refugee crisis that came out of Syria, not any Syrian refugees that are in Israel, but there's a lot in Europe, aren't there, and in Turkey, and a lot of our NATO allies.

00:19:46.480 For them, destroying the state and actually destroying the regime is the point because they want to eliminate Iran as a polity that is capable, not just under the Iranian regime, but ever from being able to pose a regional threat to their hegemony in the region. 0.92

00:20:01.780 The United States has an immense interest in a stable Iran.

00:20:06.820 Why?

00:20:07.280 Look at the Strait of Hormuz crisis that's happening right now.

00:20:10.400 You don't want jihadists and groups to be able to control various different portions of the strait.

00:20:16.460 Already, Donald Trump has the highest gas prices of his entire presidency as of this morning.

00:20:21.980 Diesel is on its way to $5 a gallon, which, as we all found out under Biden, means massive food inflation for all of us,

00:20:30.180 because anything that needs to be trucked across this country, that has the price of diesel baked into that good whenever it gets to a store that all of us are going to consume.

00:20:39.400 I'll just interrupt you briefly.

00:20:40.980 So my husband wrote a book called The Mysterious Case of Rudolf Diesel, and it was about the inventor of the diesel engine who lived in the late 1800s, early 1900s.

00:20:50.760 And he was the Elon Musk of his time.

00:20:52.180 He won the World's Fair in 1900 with his new exciting engine.

00:20:55.580 And the reason we have diesel gas is because you have a diesel engine.

00:20:59.740 It's like this guy who most people think diesel is a lowercase word.

00:21:02.980 It's not even a proper noun.

00:21:03.820 But diesel was the man who invented it, and his engines are everywhere, everywhere.

00:21:07.580 That's incredible.

00:21:08.140 The entire World Economic Society is based on the diesel engine, much more so than the gas engine that the rest of us use for our cars.

00:21:14.960 And when Doug came on my show, my husband, to promote the book, we talked a little bit about how ubiquitous diesel gas and the diesel engine is and just how dependent the entire world economic system is on the diesel engine and diesel gasoline, which is currently skyrocketing.

00:21:30.720 Here's just – we pulled this out just to – because no one can say it quite like Doug did.

00:21:34.660 Watch this.

00:21:35.060 This is the guy whose engine power – it's the most important power source over the last 100 years in the world and continues to be our most important power source.

00:21:46.320 When you consider a piece of fruit grown in a tropical region, all of the farm equipment used to grow that fruit is diesel-powered.

00:21:53.820 It gets loaded onto a truck.

00:21:55.580 Anything larger than a passenger car, and a third of the passenger cars also, is diesel-powered.

00:22:00.200 It goes down to port where a crane, diesel-powered, loads it onto a cargo ship, 100% of cargo ships.

00:22:06.500 I think there's one Russian nuclear cargo ship that doesn't really work well.

00:22:10.500 Cargo ships are all diesel-powered.

00:22:11.800 It goes across the oceans into a port, back onto another truck to a train.

00:22:15.780 Almost all trains are diesel-powered and have been through the 20th century.

00:22:18.500 So nothing moves without the diesel engine.

00:22:22.000 It completely powers our global economy.

00:22:23.860 We wouldn't look anywhere near what we look like today without diesel.

00:22:28.180 A month ago, diesel was it, right?

00:22:29.900 It's interesting, right?

00:22:30.900 Yeah, that's awesome.

00:22:31.700 Doug Brown does his homework.

00:22:33.040 But he, a month ago, diesel gas was at $3.65, $0.66 a gallon.

00:22:40.380 And today, it's at $4.89, as you said, almost $5 a gallon, which means it's not only going to hurt people who drive cars with diesel engines.

00:22:50.420 It's going to hurt the entire world economy for the reasons Doug just outlined.

00:22:55.380 Absolutely.

00:22:55.980 Well, shout out to Doug.

00:22:56.740 I'm going to have to buy his book because I became obsessed with the price of diesel during the Biden crisis because this is exactly what happened, especially after the war in Ukraine.

00:23:05.640 But let me zoom out even more because it's not just about diesel and gas.

00:23:08.960 Fertilizer.

00:23:09.520 So fertilizer is skyrocketing in price.

00:23:12.140 A significant portion of it actually comes through the Straits of Hormuz.

00:23:16.300 Already, our own farmers are reporting spot price increases of up to 70%.

00:23:21.600 All of us know that's going to be passed on to us with food.

00:23:24.620 What's actually even more tragic is that what that means is that while Americans and first world countries will just have to pay a lot for food, third world countries will actually go without.

00:23:34.640 We could have a full-blown crop shortage if this war continues going on.

00:23:38.320 I'll give you another one, helium.

00:23:40.300 Almost 30% of the world's helium comes from Qatar.

00:23:43.920 Qatar, currently, all of that helium is bottled up with the Straits of Hormuz.

00:23:48.080 That is vital to chip production.

00:23:50.280 So TSMC, semiconductors, what the entire global economy is currently running on with respect to AI.

00:23:56.360 We've already seen all that helium begin to come down and offline.

00:24:00.720 What that means for all of us is a chip shortage, which means what we saw in the COVID crisis where people were buying cars with no electronics in them.

00:24:09.940 There were shortages of, let's say, phones, laptops, computers.

00:24:13.900 I mean the ripple effect of this already almost two-week war is titanic to the global economy.

00:24:20.720 Now, people may say, I'm being alarmist, and you're right, I am being alarmist because I currently expect what Robert Pape has laid out there is an escalation and continuation of hostilities.

00:24:32.000 And let's take the word of the Secretary of Defense, of the President, and of the Israeli Prime Minister that this is going to, quote, four to five weeks.

00:24:39.200 Four to five weeks of this much oil offline is going to be a literal nightmare for many of us.

00:24:44.480 Now, we can mitigate some of that, which is what they're doing with the Jones Act and the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, but I'm setting the global context so that Americans and people who are listening to the show can say, what am I really getting out of this?

00:24:55.960 And I think that's the most vital question for all of us.

00:24:59.380 I've seen a lot of criticism of people like you and I who are skeptical of the war, and they're like, you never would have made it in World War II that was multi-year.

00:25:06.380 And I'm like, well, we were attacked in that one, and we were declared war on by the Nazis.

00:25:12.700 This is a little bit different because there was no congressional authorization.

00:25:16.340 There's no real case that was even made by the president.

00:25:19.060 We just decided to do it, I guess, on behest of the state of Israel.

00:25:23.120 There was no preparation.

00:25:24.820 There was no buy-in.

00:25:26.300 And I mean, just this morning, the White House press secretary is retweeting a poll from Mark Dubowitz, who's one of the preeminent regime change lobbyists here in Washington, where it literally says there's only 41 percent of all adult approval for the war.

00:25:41.700 And I think like 27 percent approval whenever it comes to independent voters.

00:25:46.060 I'm not bragging about that if I were the White House.

00:25:49.700 And that is an unpopular war at the beginning.

00:25:53.020 I mean, do you remember the Gulf War?

00:25:54.220 President Bush, H.W. Bush, had 90-something approval rating, and he lost the election.

00:25:59.560 George W. Bush had titanic support for the war in Iraq, shamefully, I think, because many of us were duped by the mainstream media at the time.

00:26:08.120 But even that, of course, became a quagmire and a nightmare.

00:26:11.980 And people think that it took years.

00:26:13.640 It actually didn't.

00:26:14.480 By 2005, people were well and fed up with the Bush administration and their case for the war.

00:26:20.360 And so we are on track for an accelerated timeline, actually, for many Americans saying, why am I paying X amount for groceries?

00:26:28.960 Why am I paying $4 a gallon at the gas pump?

00:26:32.580 I mean, do you know what the price of gas is in California?

00:26:35.040 It's like $5.35 a gallon.

00:26:37.040 There's like tens of millions of people who live out there.

00:26:39.960 So it's already a nightmare, and we're talking about today.

00:26:42.120 And going into this conflict, before we launched this conflict, the rating of foreign policy with average Americans in terms of importance was like literally down at the bottom without any percentage points above three at the most.

00:26:55.180 Everyone was saying the number one issue is my pocketbook.

00:26:58.480 I can't afford anything.

00:26:59.780 Inflation is making the groceries too expensive, my mortgage too expensive, my car too expensive, my gas too expensive.

00:27:04.820 And President Trump, what was the one thing he was able to really brag about at the State of the Union?

00:27:08.880 Gas prices.

00:27:09.460 He was very proud that he had brought down gas prices, which are now starting to skyrocket again because of all of this, which, as we discussed, will jack up all the other prices too.

00:27:17.920 It doesn't stop when oil goes up at gasoline.

00:27:20.940 And meanwhile, when asked, like, do you care about foreign policy, like literally nobody said yes.

00:27:25.640 It was like Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin said, yes, I do, and drove that number up to like one percentage point.

00:27:31.300 Even the caring about crime had fallen way down.

00:27:33.480 It was the economy, the economy, the economy in terms of people's issues.

00:27:37.700 And still Republicans were losing.

00:27:39.460 Still they were rejected to lose the House.

00:27:41.800 Now, what's his name?

00:27:45.080 Is it Nate Silver?

00:27:45.840 Yeah, Nate Silver.

00:27:46.860 With his little like economic graphs.

00:27:48.780 He was pointing out that now for the first time, like in months, the graph has gone so far down in terms of what it looks like in terms of like whether the Republicans might lose the Senate.

00:27:58.800 March 31st, there was a huge gap between Republicans and Democrats when it comes to like projections on the Senate and whether which party will win it in 2026.

00:28:08.240 Wow.

00:28:08.480 As of today, it's 53-48 Republicans over.

00:28:12.380 That's only a five percentage point lead on whether the Republicans will hold on to the Senate saga.

00:28:19.240 And it's directly correlated to the beginning of this war.

00:28:21.780 So like the losses, the economic pain that's about to be foisted on the people, the unhappiness that's going to be foisted upon people who are already focused on the economy, not foreign policy.

00:28:30.440 And now the potential loss of the U.S. Senate, think you want to see Republican approval ratings drop.

00:28:35.940 Watch them lose the Senate.

00:28:37.820 Yeah, yeah, you're absolutely right.

00:28:39.960 Not to mention mortgage rates, housing that I'm 33 years old.

00:28:42.920 That is the number one issue for my cohort.

00:28:45.060 My ability to buy a house, to have children, to be able to raise them where I want to and not have to have both parents working like 90 hours a week in order to just stay strapped for cash to be able to afford whatever lifestyle, which is like a bare minimum compared to how it used to be.

00:29:01.860 And by the way, mortgage rates ticked up already as a result of this war to 6.11%.

00:29:06.400 So we're already watching the spiral for equality of life here at home.

00:29:11.300 And look, let's take the president and state of the union.

00:29:13.420 Iran was like minute 70. 0.99

00:29:15.500 It was the longest state of the union in history.

00:29:17.700 He barely spent any time on it.

00:29:19.580 And then a week or so later, we're already launched into this foreign adventurism, which the White House really, I have to assume, believed that it would just be easy.

00:29:30.000 This morning, Secretary Hegseth lambasted the media for that report about what they expected.

00:29:35.540 Yeah, go ahead.

00:29:36.420 Let me play that.

00:29:37.060 Yes.

00:29:37.280 So Hegseth came out swinging against the media.

00:29:39.980 CNN was one because he was mad that they had written that we had not anticipated the Iranians closing the Straits of Hormuz.

00:29:48.260 And he was like, of course, we anticipated that. 0.99

00:29:50.000 Don't be ridiculous. 0.95

00:29:50.560 But he had wider criticism for all the media. 0.98

00:29:52.600 He's not happy with the media headlines.

00:29:54.100 In sort of an extraordinary moment that we're really not used to from somebody in this powerful position.

00:29:59.140 But here's how that went in SOT 2.

00:30:01.420 No quarter, no mercy for our enemies.

00:30:07.060 Yet some in this crew, in the press, just can't stop.

00:30:11.540 Allow me to make a few suggestions.

00:30:14.720 People look up at the TV and they see banners.

00:30:17.660 They see headlines.

00:30:18.720 I used to be in that business.

00:30:20.140 And I know that everything is written intentionally.

00:30:24.380 For example, a banner or a headline.

00:30:26.400 Mideast war intensifies.

00:30:28.480 Splashing on the screen the last couple of days.

00:30:31.020 Alongside visuals of civilian or energy targets that Iran has hit.

00:30:35.020 Because that's what they do.

00:30:37.860 What should the banner read instead?

00:30:40.560 How about Iran increasingly desperate? 0.94

00:30:43.780 Because they are.

00:30:45.180 They know it.

00:30:46.240 And so do you.

00:30:47.840 If it can be admitted.

00:30:49.280 Another example of a fake headline that I saw yesterday.

00:30:53.480 War widening.

00:30:56.020 Here's a real headline for you for an actual patriotic press.

00:30:59.960 How about Iran shrinking, going underground? 0.98

00:31:04.560 I mean, patriotic press is a problematic term.

00:31:07.100 Because we don't get paid to be patriotic.

00:31:09.180 We get paid to just report the facts.

00:31:11.080 And whether they reflect well on America or not.

00:31:13.960 We're supposed to report the facts.

00:31:15.380 Now, it's also true that we shouldn't run around bashing America as a knee-jerk reaction.

00:31:19.280 It's pulling down American flags from the background of our shots like they made me do at NBC.

00:31:25.060 But a patriotic press in times of war has no obligation to just do puffery on behalf of the administration.

00:31:30.720 Keep going, Sagar.

00:31:31.680 Oh, absolutely.

00:31:33.020 Let me just.

00:31:33.760 Yeah, let me linger on that.

00:31:34.940 Because I was raised in Bush country. 0.89

00:31:37.240 And here's a phrase I remember very well.

00:31:39.780 To support our troops, you have to support the war.

00:31:42.460 That is the mindset that Secretary Hegseth is saying.

00:31:46.040 And no, Mr. Secretary, that is not how we will be supporting our troops.

00:31:49.960 We will be supporting our troops by accurately reporting the news and also mourning our dead.

00:31:54.600 Which, again, by the way, we were told during the Iraq war, you cannot properly mourn the dead without supporting the war.

00:32:01.260 It's actually the height of anti-patriotism or cultish insanity behavior to do the opposite.

00:32:08.040 So let's – I mean I can't even believe that he's upset with the headline Iran or Middle East conflict widens.

00:32:14.240 That's empirically true.

00:32:15.300 We had ten different nations which were embroiled in this conflict.

00:32:18.120 At the beginning of this segment, I just talked about multiple U.S. service members who crashed and tragically died in that incident.

00:32:25.120 By the way, that just got updated.

00:32:27.060 As we're speaking, CENTCOM just reported that all six who were in that refueling aircraft are dead.

00:32:33.820 Originally, we thought it was four and two had survived.

00:32:35.900 All six are dead.

00:32:36.860 So the death toll now up to 13 service personnel at least killed in this war and hundreds more wounded.

00:32:43.140 Keep going.

00:32:44.160 Yeah, 13 Americans who are now dead.

00:32:46.340 I mean look, I got to say, my heart breaks for these people.

00:32:48.620 And one of them – the one story that stuck with me the most is Declan Cody.

00:32:52.420 He was 20 years old.

00:32:54.260 He was born four to five years after 9-11.

00:32:57.900 What are we doing here?

00:32:58.960 One of these other sergeants in the Space Force, he was 26 years old.

00:33:02.420 That's how long ago – that's almost how long ago 9-11 was.

00:33:05.960 Just consider that.

00:33:06.880 This person who's dying in a Middle Eastern conflict who was born four to five years after this entire mess was unleashed on the globe. 1.00

00:33:16.060 That's how bad our strategy and our leaders have failed us in this moment.

00:33:19.460 So let's just zoom back to what the secretary is saying.

00:33:22.300 He's basically lambasting the press for accurately reporting the widening of the conflict, the debts here of American service members, and not just releasing press releases, basically touting his target packages or number of strikes.

00:33:35.780 We have learned too much that these so-called numbers and target packages and all of this that get purported as tactical successes often result in strategic failure.

00:33:46.760 And just bringing it really back to America and its own interests, I also think, what is the number one national security interest of the United States?

00:33:55.860 It's to deter a conflict with China, and it is to protect our allies in the Asia-Pacific.

00:34:00.740 Why? 50% of GDP will be in the Asia-Pacific in just a four-year period.

00:34:05.660 President Trump also sees his relationship with China as the preeminent relationship that he has to manage.

00:34:10.480 Well, how's that going for all of us?

00:34:12.400 We have actually fired so many munitions in just these two weeks with bad interceptors.

00:34:17.720 These are the most – some of the more highly advanced interceptors that are able to shoot down incoming Iranian missiles that we actually already have had to pull them out of South Korea. 0.51

00:34:27.020 Now, let me remind everybody what the GDP – or the bilateral trade relationship between the United States and South Korea is $240 billion.

00:34:34.800 Do you know what it is with Israel? $50 billion.

00:34:36.920 Israel is like number 50 or something down on the list.

00:34:40.580 The entire GCC, I think, is more than all of Israel. 0.96

00:34:43.440 GCC are the Gulf countries that we are also allegedly supposed to be protecting, many of whom are all saying we have been abandoned by the United States.

00:34:52.000 They're prioritizing Israel over us.

00:34:54.200 They're totally re-questioning their security relationship, all of these bases, to hundreds of millions of dollars in damage has already been done.

00:35:01.940 We are watching – you know, the press, I read the daily South Korean press, they are all asking questions.

00:35:07.700 Is America still here for us in Japan, in Taiwan?

00:35:11.720 There are op-eds and things flying around the Asia-Pacific looking at the amount of munitions that we are expending and saying,

00:35:18.120 how are these people supposed to defend us?

00:35:20.480 They don't even care about us right now, and they're wasting it on this useless conflict.

00:35:24.980 Also, we are inflicting maximum damage on these economies.

00:35:29.980 Japan gets 90% of all of its oil from the Middle East.

00:35:34.200 They've already had to do a massive strategic petroleum reserve release.

00:35:38.080 Their stock markets, we're nothing compared to them.

00:35:40.600 At one point, they were down 14%, 15% just in a single week of trading as a result of this war.

00:35:47.020 These are real allies, okay?

00:35:48.520 Samsung, you know, Seoul, South Korea, we fought and died with these people in the Korean War.

00:35:54.360 They sent many troops over to fight with American troops in Vietnam.

00:35:57.860 Japan, I mean, God, what, the number three trading partner in the world?

00:36:01.360 Taiwan is a top ten trading partner as well.

00:36:03.840 They've got to be asking some serious questions about the capacities of not just the U.S. military if we were to defend them,

00:36:10.060 which is an open and a fair question, but even the munitions that we'd be able to give them because we've got nothing left.

00:36:15.620 The Financial Times, many others, saying that we have already expended, quote, years of munitions in just a 10-, 12-day conflict.

00:36:23.160 So this is a strategic nightmare.

00:36:25.880 And again, for what?

00:36:27.100 I'm willing to expend those munitions if it is critical to the national security interests of the United States.

00:36:32.640 It's a war of choice.

00:36:33.860 This is not a war that any of us support.

00:36:35.680 It is a war that's going to inflict pain on us here at home.

00:36:38.140 It's destroying the country of Iran. 0.99

00:36:40.060 It's actually making them, if anything, stronger, the Iranian regime, which allegedly this entire thing was supposed to be about.

00:36:46.280 And they're hardening.

00:36:47.220 They're going to fight to the death, and they've made that very clear now.

00:36:50.020 They're not rolling over as easily as we apparently thought they would.

00:36:54.340 The interceptors are a real problem.

00:36:56.120 We don't have enough to combat the missiles and the drones that the Iranians are unleashing, not just on us, but on our military bases in the Gulf countries and on the Gulf countries themselves, our allies who we've agreed to protect. 0.97

00:37:10.000 And some of them have come saying, did you give any thought to what would happen to us?

00:37:13.540 Did you plan on how to protect us as we're seeing bombs rain down on Dubai, for example, which is taking a lot of incoming.

00:37:22.920 Many of our other friends in the Middle East who are genuinely friends of ours and great trading partners who are now feeling exposed and like we didn't live up to our promises, not to mention all the problems you mentioned because of the closure of the Strait of Hormuz.

00:37:36.160 And Pete Hexeth says that we did plan on the closure or what would happen in the Strait of Hormuz.

00:37:40.340 But if we did plan, then why is it closed?

00:37:42.420 Why can't we get ships through there?

00:37:43.960 Why can't commercial vessels get through right now?

00:37:45.840 How President Trump threw out, we'll have the U.S. Navy escort ships that want to go through it. 0.98

00:37:51.200 But that quickly went away because he was reportedly told we are actually not ready to do that.

00:37:56.160 Our military can't do that.

00:37:57.200 And there was also blowback on whether American parents want to see their sons and daughters on U.S. ships risking their lives to get oil through the Strait of Hormuz to send off to China.

00:38:08.820 Is that really the mission?

00:38:11.620 And all in the name of Israel, by the way.

00:38:13.640 It's not even for a war that's helping the United States.

00:38:15.540 So right now we're not doing that.

00:38:18.020 So the Iranians do have an effective veto over this. 0.60

00:38:20.320 And there's a real question about how we ever can secure it.

00:38:22.860 How can we – because they've got potentially mines set up in the Straits.

00:38:26.540 They've also got missile launchers on the shores that are proving problematic for us.

00:38:33.100 And there's a – I've heard credible military experts say without sending ground troops in to go stand along the shorelines of the Straits,

00:38:41.400 we're not going to be able to secure this in a way that's going to satisfy commercial shippers.

00:38:45.700 You're exactly right.

00:38:47.420 And guess what?

00:38:48.260 By the way, even for those military experts, I hope that they also informed you that if you want to put troops on the shoreline,

00:38:53.300 then you also have to have troops in the rear to make sure that nobody can fire on the troops on the shoreline.

00:38:57.960 So that would be a massive deployment.

00:38:59.960 This is the escalation trap that Professor Robert Pape talked about is that you find yourself in an unexpected situation politically.

00:39:07.040 What did LBJ often say? 0.99

00:39:08.480 I'm not going to be the first American president to lose a damn war. 0.98

00:39:12.000 That's what he would often say in the situation room. 0.98

00:39:14.320 And he would push them to escalate, to escalate, to escalate.

00:39:17.360 And at every point, we would say, OK, let's send more American blood into the battlefield, and that will change it this time.

00:39:25.200 And at every point, what we found out is that we were losing strategically while allegedly winning tactically.

00:39:31.400 And that's what actually a full-blown ground troop invasion of Iran and securing of the Strait of Hormuz,

00:39:37.080 that would be the definition of a supposedly tactical success.

00:39:40.860 Because even at that point, let's think about what the cost of that would be,

00:39:45.020 not just for the sustained deployment, the political and strategic implications.

00:39:49.180 So yeah, we might lower the price of gas, but now we're in a multi-decade occupation of the country of Iran 1.00

00:39:54.660 and fighting an insurgency with a civil war and a collapse of the state and refugee crisis,

00:40:00.460 which is flooding the entire region. 0.98

00:40:02.960 So that's why you don't get into these damn things in the first place. 0.98

00:40:07.600 And I'm very worried. 0.98

00:40:08.860 I do not see a way that this president will be able to get himself out of this one without some-

00:40:15.580 That's the thing, because no one doubts, I think, few doubt that Trump doesn't want that,

00:40:20.420 that he thought this could be quick, cut off the head of the snake, and we're going to have a better Iran. 0.81

00:40:25.460 He definitely doesn't want some extended Middle East war.

00:40:28.540 Trump does know that that would be a political death knell to any future Republican election

00:40:33.860 over the next five, six, seven, maybe ten years.

00:40:36.800 But the risk is that we're saddled with it, because what if they-

00:40:43.520 How are we going to reopen the Straits of Hormuz?

00:40:45.400 Like, what is the plan to do that?

00:40:47.080 Are we actually going to risk American lives by escorting commercial vessels through there?

00:40:50.980 What are we going to do about mines?

00:40:52.360 Are we going to risk American service personnel getting blown up in the name of reopening this passageway?

00:40:57.400 And by the way, what is the American appetite for the loss of blood and treasure over there?

00:41:01.980 There was one thing when we had Al-Qaeda killing 3,000 Americans one day who just went to work.

00:41:07.440 It's another when we started it.

00:41:10.540 And the basis for starting it, which I'm going to get to in a second, is really, really questionable.

00:41:16.140 But let me make one point first.

00:41:17.300 Now we have 13 dead U.S. service personnel, which is the same number that died at Abbey Gate, Sagar.

00:41:22.520 Yeah.

00:41:22.900 And after we had Abbey Gate under President Biden, where he tried to pull all the troops out of Afghanistan,

00:41:29.140 and it was a disaster, and it wasn't well run, and we had people holding on to our airplanes

00:41:33.520 as they were flying out of Bagram, which we gave up the base,

00:41:38.080 his approval rating fell, and it never recovered.

00:41:41.260 It never.

00:41:41.840 Never recovered.

00:41:42.920 Here's a chart that shows where it went down, and it never went back up.

00:41:48.260 And that's the last thing.

00:41:49.420 Now we've got 13, one week into the war, a week plus.

00:41:54.260 Where does that go?

00:41:55.740 Right?

00:41:55.980 Because wars, it's not easy to predict how the deaths are going to happen.

00:42:01.920 This was a refueling plane, Sagar.

00:42:03.740 It wasn't even shot down by the Iranians. 0.96

00:42:05.280 It wasn't even, you know, it was an accident midair that wasn't brought down by friendly fire or enemy.

00:42:10.200 Right.

00:42:10.640 Remember this, guys.

00:42:12.020 Nobody in August 1914 said, we're still going to be at war in four years.

00:42:17.180 The plan was for a six-week quick war, an excursion, all like the ones that we had seen before. 0.96

00:42:22.940 This is why, by the way, I think that the Venezuela operation ended up being a nightmare, 0.97

00:42:27.160 because it convinced the president and many of the inner circle of those around him

00:42:31.340 that that's how easy all military operations could be.

00:42:35.380 And I mean, and I opposed that vehemently at the time, and I think it looks pretty good in retrospect. 0.82

00:42:40.800 Is that this mindset of this madness, right, of just we can go in and we can do whatever we want.

00:42:47.780 Well, we've all seen, there's a lot of military history books that are behind me.

00:42:51.840 The way the great men operate, we can all understand this.

00:42:54.600 It's like a gambler at the craps table who's on a hot roll.

00:42:57.520 Statistically, it shouldn't be working, but it's working, and it's working, and it's working.

00:43:01.740 But eventually, that seven is going to come up, and that's exactly what has happened now in this Iran conflict.

00:43:06.980 So you just laid out the Straits of Hormuz.

00:43:09.020 I have bigger questions about not just this.

00:43:11.080 That's an economic question.

00:43:12.540 I have a question specifically about Iranian missile development the longer that this goes on,

00:43:17.620 because then the entire raison d'etre for this war, the casus belli, is supposedly nuclear material.

00:43:24.080 Well, by the Trump administration's own admission, that nuclear material has not been secured.

00:43:29.500 How do you secure it?

00:43:30.480 Oh, you're going to have to send special operations.

00:43:32.860 Problem.

00:43:33.400 The Iranians know you're coming. 1.00

00:43:34.620 So to protect those special operations, you'd have to deploy a large ground force to secure the entire area,

00:43:40.700 to battle all of the people who would want to target your special operators while they're going and securing that.

00:43:45.560 How do you know how we can do that in modern-day warfare with satellites, et cetera?

00:43:49.740 Right, exactly.

00:43:50.940 So think about the nightmare and the logistical implications of each of these supposedly easy off-ramps.

00:43:57.540 So the off-ramp here, Trump can go get the nuclear material and declare victory.

00:44:01.600 Oh, wait, but that's going to take a titanic American ground deployment, thousands of troops, who knows how many casualties.

00:44:09.140 He needs to secure the Straits of Hormuz.

00:44:10.920 Great.

00:44:11.140 Now we just signed up for a huge nation-building and or exercise.

00:44:16.120 Nobody in the Iraq War – I mean, do you remember Donald Rumsfeld?

00:44:20.280 He said, I don't know if it will take six days, six weeks or six months, but I can tell you it's not going to be more than a year.

00:44:26.920 I remember all of these things.

00:44:28.760 Yeah, I mean Dick Cheney said that about Iraq.

00:44:30.820 Nobody in 2001, October of 2001, would have said we're withdrawing from Afghanistan in 2021.

00:44:37.960 You think LBJ wanted to be in Vietnam in 1968?

00:44:42.400 That's the point of all of these examples is that you get into them, and they become open-ended even when you wanted it closed because you are no longer in a controlled system.

00:44:53.200 We could control the diplomacy between these two nations, but we cannot control this now, especially with Iran in the classic situation of asymmetric warfare but with nothing to lose. 0.87

00:45:05.520 They have nothing to lose except to fight to the death.

00:45:08.120 They have a hardened political will.

00:45:10.000 Their population was supposed to rise up.

00:45:12.220 It didn't happen.

00:45:12.980 Totally fake, right?

00:45:14.220 I mean instead we're actually seeing a huge rise of nationalism in the entire country.

00:45:18.900 So now what?

00:45:19.640 We want to foment a civil war?

00:45:20.620 Well, now I mean that's – part of the problem is the bombing of their fuel depots, their oil depots, which literally caused oil to be raining down on the faces of the Iranian people, their children, their babies in strollers, anybody who goes outside now after that happened.

00:45:36.580 And that caused even the crazed lunatic Lindsey Graham to say to Israel, you might want to watch what you bomb.

00:45:43.880 Actually, you might have gone too far.

00:45:45.660 I mean when Lindsey Graham is telling you you've gone too far in your bombing campaign, something very, very wrong has happened.

00:45:51.140 But you mentioned that this is a war of choice, which I agree with. 0.62

00:45:54.840 This is not what the administration says.

00:45:56.480 Of course, the administration says we had no choice.

00:45:58.660 Trump says I had a feeling.

00:46:00.500 I believed that they were about to develop a nuke, that they almost had a nuke.

00:46:04.320 And now we had an interesting conversation that I heard today between Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck, in which O'Reilly seems to be shedding more light on that.

00:46:13.240 We're going to play part of it for you now.

00:46:14.640 Watch.

00:46:15.320 Reached a period in time, in history, where the CIA, NSA, all of our intel, jive with the United Nations and said,

00:46:27.280 look, we knocked out a lot of their nuclear capacity in June of last year, but they have satellites and are close to being able to put together 10 nuclear bombs.

00:46:42.700 Okay?

00:46:43.360 10.

00:46:44.020 And I don't think the Trump administration is going to mind me saying this, even though it hasn't been made public, but I'm a reporter and I have the information.

00:46:52.660 So Mossad went in and said, look, on this Saturday, the Ayatollah and 25 of the stugs are going to be in this place at this time. 1.00

00:47:06.200 So what do you want to do?

00:47:08.760 Now, that was after three months of negotiations with the Iranians to stop their nuclear weapons program. 0.62

00:47:16.940 And the last negotiation in Geneva, Switzerland, the guy, the foreign minister of Iran, walks in and says, you know what?

00:47:24.920 We're not stopping.

00:47:26.480 Blank you. 0.99

00:47:27.460 We don't care what you say. 0.77

00:47:29.020 We're not stopping.

00:47:30.220 And Witkoff, our chief U.S. negotiator, had a report back to Trump.

00:47:36.580 So that's the information Trump has.

00:47:38.700 Number one, they're close to 10 bombs.

00:47:41.240 Number two, they're all going to be drinking tea on Saturday morning in this spot.

00:47:45.880 And number three, they're saying, blank you, to the U.S. government, they're not going to stop.

00:47:52.840 That's how the decision was made.

00:47:55.640 But the president believes that he will be victorious in the next month or so.

00:48:01.400 Puts us into April, puts us into China with Xi.

00:48:04.920 And he believes he's going to have momentum after basically dismantling Iran, because that's what they're doing now. 0.99

00:48:13.160 They're just wiping out his capacity to do anything, which is not easy.

00:48:18.080 And that's why you're seeing the short-term pain.

00:48:21.140 Now, people believe what they want to believe, and the president is no exception.

00:48:25.560 If it comes his way, then he becomes a great president, which he wants, his legacy.

00:48:31.880 If it doesn't, then Republicans will probably lose in November.

00:48:37.600 So that's where we are.

00:48:39.300 A lot to unpack there, Sagar.

00:48:40.920 We've got one minute, so we have to take a break on SiriusXM.

00:48:43.280 We'll continue the discussion, but take the minute to go.

00:48:47.180 I'm privileged to be alive to have Bill O'Reilly lie to me twice in my life about WOMC in the Middle East.

00:48:53.260 I'm sorry, that's preposterous.

00:48:54.820 That is – there's no evidence for that from the IAEA.

00:48:57.680 If that were true, the Trump administration would have said it.

00:48:59.980 Remember, the only reason that they say that we're in this war is that Israel forced our hand,

00:49:04.580 and that even whenever it comes to nuclear, they say that they were creating a ballistic missile shield for their potential nuclear capacity.

00:49:12.500 There's been no DNI release, no CIA release, no even fake Colin Powell vial that can be held up, no yellow cake, no Judy Miller.

00:49:21.920 So if there were even a remote case that that were true or as true as WMD in Iraq, they would have said it. 0.99

00:49:29.100 They didn't say it because it's complete nonsense.

00:49:31.840 That is completely manufactured consent afterwards that is being put out there to justify some of the feelings for the people that want to continue to be in this war.

00:49:41.020 And if you don't believe Sagar, I'm going to play for you when we come back.

00:49:44.760 Top Netanyahu advisor, Ophir Falk, who gave an interview to NBC's Richard Engel on the reasons we got into this war,

00:49:52.300 and we will see what he says on whether there were 10 or 11 nuclear bombs that Iran was close to.

00:49:59.380 Standby, quick break.

00:50:00.800 More with Sagar right after this.

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00:52:00.140 So we were discussing Bill O'Reilly's statement that his reporting reflects that Iran was close to 10 nukes, that they went to Trump and said the Ayatollah and his thugs are having a meeting and there's an opportunity, and that after three months of negotiations with the Iranians, the foreign minister of Iran had said, we're not stopping the nuclear enrichment.

00:52:21.060 So go F yourselves, and that's why Steve Witkoff communicated to Trump, like, they're just never going to make a deal, and Trump felt that he had no choice.

00:52:30.400 Now, let's just stay on number one for a second here, that they were about to get 10 nuclear bombs.

00:52:36.200 This is what top Netanyahu advisor over a flock just told Richard Engel.

00:52:42.040 Now, just listen.

00:52:43.180 Listen to Richard Engel repeatedly try to get to what exactly was the imminent threat.

00:52:47.960 Now, you would think, given this, you would say right off the top, they were close to 10 nuclear bombs.

00:52:53.060 That's the imminent threat, Richard Engel.

00:52:55.120 Watch how this goes, Sot 10.

00:52:56.400 What information did you have that Iran was about to carry out an imminent attack?

00:53:03.720 One good indication was that for 47 years they've been saying death to America, death to Israel. 0.98

00:53:09.260 Believe it.

00:53:09.840 That's 47 years, but why that day?

00:53:12.040 And they were ramping up their capabilities with the ballistic missiles.

00:53:16.440 They're stringing along the negotiations.

00:53:18.640 They always lie.

00:53:20.040 Listen to your negotiators.

00:53:21.280 They'll tell you the truth.

00:53:22.360 They're stringing them along.

00:53:23.580 They always lie, and it was an imminent threat.

00:53:25.400 And we removed that imminent threat.

00:53:27.700 I still don't understand what the imminent threat was, that they were going to attack Israel, attack American bases, attack the U.S.

00:53:34.520 An imminent threat of what?

00:53:35.740 All of the above.

00:53:36.720 All of the above.

00:53:37.540 They were threatening their neighbors.

00:53:38.600 Look at what they're doing now.

00:53:40.620 They're shooting at all their immediate neighbors.

00:53:43.680 You know, the mask is revealed.

00:53:46.120 These guys, it's a death cult that not only called and killed Americans for 47 years and Israelis for 47 years, 0.99

00:53:53.680 now they're killing their neighbors. 0.95

00:53:55.400 But of course they're attacking, they're firing now because they're under attack.

00:54:00.040 There's a hot war going on.

00:54:02.120 I'm trying to understand what started this war.

00:54:04.220 They slaughtered thousands, tens of thousands of Iranians. 0.60

00:54:07.900 They slaughtered them on the streets.

00:54:09.860 30,000 innocent people were slaughtered on the streets in a matter of days.

00:54:14.700 It's a death cult.

00:54:16.080 It's a death cult, and we're removing that threat.

00:54:18.920 President Trump said that Iran was weeks away from developing a nuclear weapon and potentially using one.

00:54:25.440 Is that Prime Minister Netanyahu's assessment as well?

00:54:28.960 Well, we know that they wanted it.

00:54:30.760 We know that they were planning it.

00:54:33.260 We know that was the imminent threat.

00:54:34.820 You see today what they're doing with the oil.

00:54:36.800 They're blackmailing the world with the oil.

00:54:38.420 They would blackmail the world with the nukes.

00:54:39.980 Because President Trump is saving the free world right now.

00:54:46.960 But were they just weeks away from having a nuclear weapon?

00:54:51.560 Well, that was their intention.

00:54:52.940 I don't know if it was weeks or months or whatever it was, but it was an imminent threat.

00:54:56.340 And certainly the ballistic missiles that they were trying to bury underground would have been immune.

00:55:03.240 And then what?

00:55:04.140 We'd leave this threat for our kids, for our grandkids.

00:55:06.640 No, we've got to do it now.

00:55:09.020 I'm sorry, Sagar, but there it is, black and white.

00:55:12.460 That wouldn't—you would—the top advisor in Netanyahu would say,

00:55:16.760 Richard, they were within weeks of having 10 nuclear bombs.

00:55:22.260 That's an existential threat to Israel. 0.96

00:55:24.360 What choice did we have?

00:55:25.540 How many times—he said 47 years they've been saying death to America, death to Israel.

00:55:30.260 Also, they have ballistic missiles, which they were ramping up.

00:55:32.800 And they were stringing along the negotiators.

00:55:34.620 Nothing, nothing about nuclears.

00:55:36.640 And then he says, so it was an imminent threat.

00:55:39.480 Engel says, what?

00:55:40.780 What was the imminent threat?

00:55:42.280 You know, everything.

00:55:43.160 It was all an imminent threat.

00:55:44.300 Look at them now.

00:55:44.860 They're shooting at their neighbors. 0.98

00:55:45.820 It's a death cult. 0.99

00:55:46.520 47 years of saying death to America, death to Israel. 0.89

00:55:48.700 Richard Engel.

00:55:49.420 Of course they're shooting now.

00:55:50.380 It's a hot war.

00:55:51.760 But they slaughtered tens of thousands of their own people.

00:55:54.860 Now this is a new reason, the slaughtering of their own people when they protested a few weeks ago. 0.79

00:55:59.300 It's a death cult, Richard Engel.

00:56:01.520 Were we weeks away from having a nuke in Iran or not?

00:56:04.540 Well, we know that they wanted it.

00:56:06.480 They wanted it.

00:56:07.140 They were planning it.

00:56:08.260 So no, that's another way of saying no.

00:56:10.720 It was a desire, but not a capability.

00:56:13.520 And Richard Engel again says, were they weeks away?

00:56:15.680 And he says, well, it was an intention.

00:56:17.260 It was their intention.

00:56:19.000 So that's an imminent threat.

00:56:20.160 But – and they had the ballistic missiles.

00:56:21.900 Again, back to the ballistic missiles.

00:56:23.880 Even Israel has abandoned the nonsense about the nuclear bomb about to come from Iran, but we're still hearing this from our own administration and obviously the reporters to whom they are talking.

00:56:37.980 Yeah, you're exactly right.

00:56:40.020 The only imminent threat here was Israel wanting to attack Iran. 0.54

00:56:42.840 That's it.

00:56:43.440 That's literally the only imminence in that entire situation.

00:56:46.800 Don't believe me.

00:56:47.540 Believe in Marco Rubio, the secretary of state with the most – I mean genuinely the most shocking and, in my opinion, important declaration by a U.S. secretary of state in modern history is that we had to do it because we had no ability to restrain our clients' trade.

00:57:01.840 Either no ability to restrain or a capacity where we wanted to join them.

00:57:06.800 Both of them are catastrophic decisions, not really sure what's even worse, but you could see very clearly that they are not even trying to sell that level of B.S. right now.

00:57:15.360 And this actually highlights the problem of getting in bed with Israel in this conflict because, again, we have very divergent goals.

00:57:23.260 They want to collapse Iran as a polity ever capable of making war upon them or restraining any of their regional ambitions, be it in Syria, be it in Lebanon, be it in the West Bank, be it in Gaza, be it in Egypt potentially. 0.81

00:57:39.400 I wouldn't put that one off the table.

00:57:41.000 Or with Turkey, which is a NATO ally, and let's not forget that the Israeli prime minister or the former Israeli prime minister, Naftali Bennett, has already declared that Turkey is the next one and is now a so-called imminent threat.

00:57:53.400 Let me play that, Shlager, because he keeps doubling down on this.

00:57:55.340 Like he – this is Naftali Bennett.

00:57:57.540 Look, we're not even two weeks into our war with Iran, and he's already threatening one with Turkey.

00:58:03.080 It's like, well, exactly how many of our friends in the Middle East are we going to attack in order to please Israel? 0.58

00:58:09.160 We've already heard that we may be attacking Cuba, maybe taking over Cuba soon, and now we're hearing about Turkey. 0.86

00:58:16.680 He keeps saying it over and over.

00:58:18.640 Here is the latest.

00:58:20.320 Let me just ask you whether there's a risk of further confrontation with Turkey based on comments that you've said in the past.

00:58:27.740 Well, we need to ensure that Erdogan doesn't create a new alliance of radical Islam Sunni version, meaning an axis between himself, Julani, Qatar, and Hamas.

00:58:47.700 We've been facing for many decades the Shiite radical Islam, and I hope that Turkey doesn't choose to foment terror and Islamism in its power. 0.97

00:59:04.200 It's up to Turkey, ultimately. 0.87

00:59:06.080 If they seek peace, we definitely want peace.

00:59:08.900 But if they try and surround us with terror, we will not sit idle.

00:59:13.820 Go ahead, Sagar.

00:59:16.740 Yeah, Turkey, by the way, is the country that we have an actual treaty obligation to defend in NATO, shall I remind everybody, and actually has had two ballistic missiles fired at them at our bases, which are in Turkey.

00:59:29.600 We've had a relationship with Turkey for so long that, remember, the missiles that were stationed there were the precipitous conflict of the Cuban Missile Crisis back in 1962.

00:59:39.060 That's how long our relationship with that nation, our military relationship, goes back.

00:59:43.540 But again, it just highlights their regional ambitions. 0.94

00:59:46.420 Also, his idea that he cares about Julani, the al-Qaeda leader in Syria, is ridiculous. 0.79

00:59:50.980 They love Julani. 0.92

00:59:52.020 They helped put him in power.

00:59:53.260 Why?

00:59:53.960 Because he doesn't care that Israel wants to basically annex and control a significant part of his country and is effectively giving up any claim over the Golan Heights.

01:00:02.860 It's about Israeli regional hegemony. 0.52

01:00:04.840 They cannot have a powerful Islamic state like Turkey with a NATO alliance of the United States, which poses any regional threat to their hegemony.

01:00:14.180 That's why Prime Minister Netanyahu brags about becoming a, quote, global superpower.

01:00:19.560 And I don't even contest that at this point.

01:00:21.540 You have effectively either controlled or, you know, co-opted the world's preeminent superpower for your own regional designs.

01:00:29.900 And you have nuclear weapons.

01:00:31.380 That is just empirically true at this point.

01:00:33.820 But that's their aim, not our aim.

01:00:36.620 Our aim is stability in the region, is actually balancing our alliances.

01:00:42.220 This entire region, by the way, while, yes, it may be important, it's not nearly as important as the Asia Pacific.

01:00:48.160 It is a giant magnet that sucks U.S. resources, attention, money from all of these other important problems, be it the Asia Pacific, be it the mortgage rates of my friends and their ability to buy houses, be it the gas price that all of us will have to find a diesel.

01:01:05.520 And every time we go to the grocery store and to buy something that's been trucked from across the country.

01:01:11.500 And that's the problem with this entire thing.

01:01:13.880 It's been 20-something years now of my life of this magnet just sucking the life force out of this nation.

01:01:19.980 I'm not talking about Israel.

01:01:20.820 I'm talking about the Middle East as a region.

01:01:22.860 We don't have interests there nearly as much as the country of Israel does.

01:01:26.400 I want to ask you, how did this happen?

01:01:29.500 Like, truly, who talked Trump into this?

01:01:31.200 Like, I do want to talk about that.

01:01:32.820 But before we get there, let me just stay on the O'Reilly reporting for one second and what he was saying about the negotiations, about how, you know, they just came in and they were obstinate and Trump realized they were tapping us along.

01:01:44.500 And, like, they just said, F you, that the Iranians said, F you, we're going to do what we want. 0.98

01:01:48.780 I mean, I beg to differ because we watched this unfold.

01:01:52.980 To me, you tell me, but to me, it seemed like we went in there with a list of demands that in no world were they ever going to agree to.

01:01:59.760 And sure enough, they didn't, but they were discussing it with us and that we were in the midst of a negotiation, which they thought was in good faith when we then bombed them.

01:02:07.900 And there's a real question about whether American credibility is intact or in tatters after that.

01:02:14.660 Oh, it absolutely is because we were literally negotiating them with them twice before we ended up bombing them.

01:02:19.400 They said, fool me once, you know, shame on you, but fool me twice.

01:02:22.220 You know, at this point, why should they take any sort of negotiation or diplomatic action?

01:02:26.480 Seriously, I can tell you unequivocally, I have sources that were involved in these negotiations, and I can tell you exactly what went down in those rooms.

01:02:34.380 What happened is that while the United States was demanding, quote, no nuclear weapons, what we were actually demanding is no nuclear enrichment literally of any kind.

01:02:43.760 Even that I can somewhat understand.

01:02:45.860 But remember, those two things are very different, nuclear weapons and nuclear enrichment.

01:02:50.480 Remember when Trump would say they won't say the magic words?

01:02:53.220 That's what he was referring to.

01:02:54.520 Not nuclear weapons, nuclear enrichment.

01:02:56.980 Now let's go further down the list.

01:02:58.540 What they don't like to emphasize is that we also told them that they have to give up their ballistic missile program, that they have to basically give away any defensive ability, that they have to stop Israel from wantonly attacking them at any time or place of their choosing.

01:03:13.240 And they have to give up this nebulous term of, quote, supporting terror.

01:03:17.800 There was never any definitional term that was given to them.

01:03:20.820 Oh, you can't support Hezbollah anymore.

01:03:22.460 You can't do this.

01:03:23.500 Like they basically just said you have to stop supporting terrorism in the region.

01:03:27.220 Remember, the JCPOA, the Iran deal, which is how most of you may know it.

01:03:31.740 Now, there's a lot to criticize about the deal with sunset clauses, et cetera.

01:03:35.480 It took like two and a half years to negotiate with some of the world's like preeminent nuclear experts actually writing down certain levels of enrichment, of enforcement.

01:03:43.700 There was none of that that was involved in the Wyckoff-Kushner negotiations.

01:03:47.000 And so the Iranians basically were presented with, first of all, ridiculous demands, but second, changing demands, changing terms from the presidents of the United States who would say one thing about nuclear weapons, but allegedly it's meaning another thing about nuclear enrichment, and then also being presented with effectively surrender.

01:04:06.060 If you gave up your ballistic missile program, that is surrender.

01:04:09.260 You are now in Israeli-

01:04:09.840 And they do need to worry about Israel. 0.83

01:04:12.220 Yeah.

01:04:12.660 Look at it.

01:04:13.420 I mean, are they wrong?

01:04:14.900 I mean, they're not wrong.

01:04:15.740 Right.

01:04:16.160 And this isn't a defense.

01:04:17.620 I'm not saying these are good people, but I have a source who sat directly across the room from Kim Jong-un back in 2018, 2019.

01:04:28.240 And they said, why won't you give up your nuclear weapons?

01:04:30.400 We're offering you all of this money.

01:04:32.420 And he said, you ever see that video of Gaddafi who was sodomized on TV?

01:04:37.800 That's why I won't give up my nuclear weapons.

01:04:39.700 And he hasn't.

01:04:40.540 And guess what?

01:04:41.400 Kim Jong-il, he might be one of the most vindicated men in all of history.

01:04:44.840 No one's invading North Korea.

01:04:46.140 For developing his nuclear weapons program.

01:04:47.420 No one's invading North Korea who's got an ICBM capable of hitting the continental United States.

01:04:53.120 Kim family will live and die on the throne of North Korea. 0.93

01:04:56.460 I think it's a horrible thing, but that is reality.

01:04:59.160 Now look at the lesson for the world.

01:05:01.300 I would say, actually, this action has now probably been the cause.

01:05:05.940 We will look back at this as the cause of the most nuclear proliferation in all of history.

01:05:11.020 Already, France has said that they are going to accelerate their nuclear weapons development.

01:05:16.060 Poland said that they're going to do it.

01:05:17.840 Japan and South Korea are having discussions about what that would look like.

01:05:22.380 You've got Saudi Arabia with its relationship with Pakistan.

01:05:26.720 You have India and Pakistan as well.

01:05:28.040 So you've got regional allies.

01:05:29.880 I can guarantee you civilian nuclear science programs in any small country in the world is going to explode within the next 10 years.

01:05:38.120 And if you were an adversary of the United States, you should now pay attention to the fact that the so-called axis of evil, the only one left standing, is the one that sprinted to a nuke and always rejected any efforts by the United States to constrain them.

01:05:53.080 This just hitting via the Wall Street Journal, the Pentagon is sending a marine expeditionary unit to the Middle East.

01:06:01.600 They're moving this unit as Iran steps up its attacks on the Straits of Hormuz, according to two U.S. officials.

01:06:08.740 Pete Hegseth has approved a request from CENTCOM, our military body that oversees the Middle East, for the expeditionary unit typically consisting of up to 2,500 Marines.

01:06:20.220 Yeah.

01:06:20.800 So 2,500 Marines up to going to the Middle East, according to this report from the Wall Street Journal.

01:06:26.720 The move comes, reports the Journal, as Iran's attacks on the strait have paralyzed traffic through the strategic waterway, disrupting the global economy, driving up gas prices, imposing a major military and political challenge for President Trump.

01:06:37.480 A Pentagon spokesperson declined to comment.

01:06:39.620 Again, that's the Wall Street Journal, which suddenly is very friendly with the Trump administration.

01:06:44.300 They've been sort of on the odds in terms of domestic policy.

01:06:46.580 But when it comes to the neocon policies of yesteryear, they are lockstep together, Sagar.

01:06:51.940 So there we have it.

01:06:53.120 That's hope and pray for the safety of those Marines.

01:06:57.720 Let's get to the big question, though.

01:06:59.280 But how did this happen?

01:07:01.440 Because truly, we could run the soundbite.

01:07:03.540 We haven't run it, but we have one queued up.

01:07:05.300 It's got about 20 examples of President Trump when running saying, I don't want war.

01:07:09.640 There won't be a war in the Middle East.

01:07:11.000 If you vote for the other side, you're going to get war in the Middle East.

01:07:13.500 The last thing we want is war with Iran.

01:07:15.880 He's on camera so repeatedly saying it.

01:07:18.520 And there's been a war within the Republican Party, you know, a civil war, a rhetorical war about the neocons versus the more isolationist wing.

01:07:27.740 All the young Republicans are in the isolationist wing.

01:07:30.220 I mean, if you want to bet on the future of the Republican Party and keeping people in it, you would side with the isolationists because there's not a person under the age of 40 who's a voting Republican who's in favor of this.

01:07:41.860 They are the ones in that small minority that they keep showing when they show the people who are in support of this.

01:07:47.480 Cora Maga reportedly supports this 90 percent, but the Republican Party, it's more like 77 percent, which is not great.

01:07:54.220 That is actually not great for the Republican Party because the entire Democratic Party is against it and over 72 percent of independents are against it.

01:08:03.160 So how did this happen?

01:08:05.700 Who convinced him?

01:08:06.640 I look, I mean, this is the age old question, but honestly, I think we just have to be honest.

01:08:13.200 I think it was Trump.

01:08:14.100 I think Trump became enamored with his own success in Midnight Hammer and with Venezuela.

01:08:18.800 And he started believing and huffing, you know, all of this Fox News and Wall Street Journal and Rupert Murdoch cheerleading.

01:08:26.780 Maybe he believed Bibi. 0.99

01:08:28.840 Maybe look again, I have no idea what's going on with that relationship.

01:08:32.020 But obviously, Bibi and Lindsey Graham are very good at massaging and, you know, feeding into his ego. 1.00

01:08:38.360 And he had enough of a, you know, recent data set of, quote unquote, successful in his eyes, military operations, obviously failures.

01:08:46.020 I think now that we can look at them in retrospect or totality with what's currently happened.

01:08:50.660 And he said, no, I'm not going to heed these warnings.

01:08:53.460 I am unique.

01:08:54.460 I am the Uber mentioned and I am able to succeed here where no other president can.

01:08:59.720 It would not put him all that different from many of the presidents who are lined up behind me, who believed many of the same things about themselves.

01:09:07.560 That's why I've been I unfortunately had to bring out my George W. Bush book behind me very prominently.

01:09:12.720 And there's a reason for that is that I'm just living, I guess, through the exact same playbook.

01:09:18.660 You know, don't forget, Megan, George W. Bush in 2000 ran a campaign where he wanted to withdraw from the world.

01:09:23.880 He criticized foreign adventurism.

01:09:25.620 He didn't want to be the president of neoconservatism.

01:09:28.820 And he ended up in that situation.

01:09:31.040 Honestly, I'll even defend him a little bit.

01:09:33.060 He had to contend with 9-11 where we actually were attacked on 9-11 with 3,000 Americans.

01:09:37.900 That was a defensive war, not Iraq, but Afghanistan.

01:09:41.500 Right, exactly.

01:09:42.040 And so, you know, Trump in this case, I think he just believes in his own either messianic complex, which Bibi continues to feed into. 0.79

01:09:50.380 Also, Bibi, by the way, is recently talking about the return of the Messiah, if anybody is interested.

01:09:55.660 You know, I don't know if the Israelis know this.

01:09:57.480 You do know we have Google Translate, right?

01:09:59.420 There are a lot of people who speak English and Hebrew.

01:10:01.460 We see what you're saying whenever you're not saying it in your perfect English.

01:10:05.100 She's talking about global superpower, the return of the Messiah, Amalek, and just, you know, like biblical Old Testament stuff.

01:10:12.540 But I can only speculate.

01:10:14.260 Who signed up for that?

01:10:15.440 I mean, certainly not me.

01:10:17.340 I can tell you maybe Mike Huckabee did.

01:10:19.140 He's maybe the only one.

01:10:20.440 Messianic is the last thing we need in Iran, whether it's the promise of the return, which cannot be orchestrated by man, or in the head of any leader. 0.85

01:10:30.720 Because the only thing that gets you through this life is humility when it comes to the Middle East, in particular the Middle East, which is a lesson Trump has learned.

01:10:41.440 Trump was one of the first critics of the Iraq War.

01:10:43.720 He saw that it was folly before virtually anybody else.

01:10:46.820 He was very outspoken against it at a time when that was not popular for anybody who said that they were a Republican.

01:10:51.340 And yet he was there.

01:10:52.980 But it seems to me you're right.

01:10:54.240 I don't know if we can declare.

01:10:55.100 I think even though I didn't support the Venezuela operation, I'm not sure if you can say that that was not successful.

01:11:01.060 I mean, Maduro's out of there.

01:11:02.000 Well, I meant in the context of leading to Iran.

01:11:05.360 So, like, yeah, the mindset.

01:11:06.860 In the mindset, as in, like, yeah, it was a modest, what is it, 4 million barrels of oil they're claiming per day.

01:11:13.280 Sorry, there's like 20 million a day that are currently caught in the Strait of Hormuz, even strategically.

01:11:18.020 Like, that's ridiculous.

01:11:19.120 I also think everyone should learn the lesson at this point. 0.63

01:11:21.740 Remember, Libya was allegedly a success until it wasn't.

01:11:24.640 Do you remember how far Benghazi was from the initial no-fly zone?

01:11:27.880 It takes a while.

01:11:28.580 It takes a while for Syria also to fall apart. 0.92

01:11:31.400 So anybody doing mission accomplished in the first month or so is ridiculous.

01:11:35.000 I'm very much in wait-or-see mode.

01:11:36.920 But I'm talking about strategically the mindset which led to Donald Trump.

01:11:40.620 And that's where people just need to be more honest here.

01:11:43.480 Like, this is Trump, okay?

01:11:44.880 Trump is the one who decided to do this.

01:11:47.900 Yes, Bibi, Israel, you know, I'm a huge critic of Israel and many of the things that they have said. 0.99

01:11:54.140 But it's Trump.

01:11:55.340 He's the one who gave the go order.

01:11:57.460 And I also think it's a dramatic failure of the vice president and of a significant part of the higher echelon of the national security establishment who are currently in Washington who lied to my face.

01:12:11.220 And I'm not just talking about one individual.

01:12:12.620 I'm talking about multiple.

01:12:13.560 People, whenever they went on camera and they said that war with Iran is not on our interests, I have been a part of the professional America First Movement, whatever you want to call it, which is kind of an elite network of not elite in the sense that we're better than anybody else.

01:12:26.140 But, you know, people who work in professional politics in Washington.

01:12:29.520 War with Iran was the number one thing we agreed that we weren't going to do.

01:12:33.100 There was an entire staffing project that was built around this, around foreign adventurism, learning the lessons of the war in Iraq, of diplomacy.

01:12:40.880 And now this administration and to have those same officials now be not just complicit but actively arguing for that in a way where they literally lied to our face some year ago.

01:12:52.280 I've said it before.

01:12:53.260 It's the greatest professional disappointment of my life.

01:12:56.140 But wait, Sagar, who do you mean?

01:12:57.300 But the reports are today, just today in Politico, there's a report about J.D. Vance.

01:13:02.620 The headline is Vance was skeptical voice in White House on Iran strikes that – hold on, I screen grabbed it.

01:13:09.360 Vice President J.D. Vance was skeptical.

01:13:12.740 He's long questioned U.S. intervention abroad.

01:13:14.820 He's publicly defended Trump's Iran operation, but White House officials revealed that the vice president made his opposition known in the lead up, pulling the curtain open after months of speculation about Vance being far more tepid about military action than Trump.

01:13:27.700 Vance, let's see.

01:13:29.840 Vance is, quote, skeptical and is, quote, worried about success and, quote, just opposes the war on Iran.

01:13:35.560 A senior Trump official said via text message the official was granted anonymity to speak about the VP's views.

01:13:40.760 A second senior Trump official said, quote, his role is to provide the president and the administration, you know, all points of views of what could happen from many different angles.

01:13:48.680 And he does that.

01:13:49.820 But once the decision has been made, he's fully on board.

01:13:53.200 His well-documented skepticism of U.S. military engagement forged in his experiences serving in the Marines paired with his more subdued tone on Iran and so on.

01:14:01.100 It goes on from there.

01:14:02.520 Now, I believe that.

01:14:04.100 I don't believe for one second that J.D. Vance wanted us to invade Iran.

01:14:08.260 I don't believe that.

01:14:09.100 But I think his job is to, now that we're doing it, be supportive of his president.

01:14:13.260 Like, I think it's ridiculous to think J.D. Vance would be out there saying, I disagree with President Trump.

01:14:17.920 We shouldn't be doing this.

01:14:18.940 You know, I mean, he'd be kicked to the curb so fast by Trump, you know, it would make your head spin.

01:14:23.440 So what are you talking about him or someone else?

01:14:26.840 It's not just the vice president.

01:14:28.300 It's a lot of the people who work around the National Security Council.

01:14:31.620 It's about the, you know, people in the Pentagon, on the joint staff, many of the appointees.

01:14:36.680 I don't want to get too personal here because, you know, it's one of those where, you know, I don't even necessarily make sense.

01:14:42.420 I'm just giving you my own report that many of the people who work for the president in a variety of different ways all agreed this was the one thing that we didn't want to do.

01:14:51.520 We did not want to go to war with Iran.

01:14:53.540 This was the one thing.

01:14:54.560 That is absolutely true.

01:14:56.660 Like, it is literally the one thing.

01:14:58.520 Like, and that's where everyone's like, oh, well, Trump, he's hawkish.

01:15:01.440 Yeah, we know.

01:15:02.160 Okay, I never expected Trump to be like a dove on Israel, especially after the Miriam Adelson donation.

01:15:07.840 I was very clear-eyed about that.

01:15:09.900 I honestly am shocked that they've even restrained him from taking over the West Bank.

01:15:14.260 That's more than I would have initially expected out of this administration or at least officially taking over the West Bank.

01:15:19.680 But Iran, again, Iran and Ukraine were the two things. 0.63

01:15:23.560 I thought we were all rock solid here.

01:15:25.680 These were the things that we weren't going to do and repeat the mistakes of the past.

01:15:29.800 And so in some ways, yeah, can we sympathize with the vice president job?

01:15:34.500 Sure.

01:15:35.040 I mean, John Nance Gardner famously said it's not worth a warm bucket of warm spit.

01:15:40.320 I think spit is the politically correct term he used there.

01:15:43.420 I think he said piss, actually, back in the 1930s.

01:15:46.340 Maybe that's true.

01:15:46.960 He's the most powerless man in Washington, but there are a lot of people in the Pentagon and others on the National Security Council, staffers, all the way from the low level up to the high, who I know for a fact were people who not that long ago were preaching against the neocons.

01:16:02.840 And what did Stephen Miller said? Like, Kamala will send your sons to war. 0.58

01:16:07.200 They sent all this stuff out in public.

01:16:08.860 I mean, look, many of us believed it, not just because of what they said in public, but again, because of the professional network of people who really made it, you know, one of their missions to replace the so-called Bush neocon establishment and guide the country in a better foreign policy direction.

01:16:25.020 That's why I've said it's a great professional disappointment because –

01:16:27.880 And what they say, Sagar, what their president's defenders say in response to that is, but he's always been adamantly opposed to Iran getting a nuke, and he's made that clear over the years.

01:16:36.360 That's also true, which is why, like, for example, yours truly, when we struck Iran's nuclear facilities last June, I actually did think that was a good idea. 0.92

01:16:45.200 I did defend the president on that one.

01:16:46.600 You know, it's like, okay, that – he has been clear on that.

01:16:49.640 If we have, like, a clear sight and we know we can take them out, okay, then we used – it was a pinpoint.

01:16:54.380 We went in.

01:16:54.840 We went out.

01:16:56.040 It was, you know, beautifully executed, and we were told that we, quote, obliterated the nuclear facilities, which people like the Washington Post and the New York Times were disputing in their reporting, saying that's not true.

01:17:08.280 We did not obliterate.

01:17:09.440 The president and the administration and Hegseth all said obliterated, and I accepted that, and I reported it to my audience.

01:17:15.420 Obliterated.

01:17:15.780 And now they come back a few months later and say we've got to bomb them because not obliterated.

01:17:20.100 And then people say, what did – you said obliterated?

01:17:21.860 And then the administration is like, obliterated, but still more.

01:17:25.080 Oh, now 10 bombs, though.

01:17:26.680 What?

01:17:27.920 We're being lied to.

01:17:29.340 That's the bottom line.

01:17:30.020 We're being lied to, and we're doing it as we send in 2,500 Marines now, right?

01:17:35.420 Well, I can tell you –

01:17:36.160 At some point you have to say I don't believe what I'm being told.

01:17:40.140 Right.

01:17:40.480 Megan, I can tell you why I opposed that strike, and it's because I knew that Israel was involved. 0.99

01:17:45.180 And let me tell you two other countries where Israel struck their nuclear program and said that it was all done, and they would never have to do it again. 0.68

01:17:51.300 Iraq and Syria.

01:17:52.500 Anyone want to tell me how those countries are doing today?

01:17:54.800 What ended up happening to both of them?

01:17:56.400 They got politically collapsed, destroyed, turned into civil war, either conquered, invaded, or messed with from the outside.

01:18:03.260 I knew that this wasn't the beginning.

01:18:05.040 Once you break the seal here on Midnight Hammer and you open the door for regime change with the Israelis and all of their BS around how we need to go to war with Iran – by the way, it was also clear during the 12-day war. 0.83

01:18:17.540 While, yes, the US did Midnight Hammer, which was the alleged obliteration of the nuclear program, they were going for broke then too.

01:18:25.960 Remember, they were broadcasting regime change messages.

01:18:28.940 They were striking large parts of the security establishment.

01:18:32.480 They would have killed the Ayatollah then, maybe if Trump had led them, but they definitely killed as many people as they possibly could. 0.89

01:18:38.740 So they made it clear that regime change was their goal.

01:18:41.220 I was almost certain that once the dam broke on that strike that we would get back to where we are, and that's exactly what happened, unfortunately.

01:18:48.520 And so, you know, look, this gives me no pleasure to say I just – I've studied enough of Israel's military campaigns in history to know that when they do that, and especially when they get somebody like Trump, that they are going to go for broke for their own security interests.

01:19:02.960 I don't even really begrudge them for acting that way.

01:19:05.920 I just kind of wish that we had a security establishment, which we do the same.

01:19:09.200 Correct.

01:19:09.460 I mean, you know, at some point you can't fault Netanyahu for pushing his own self-interest and that of Israel.

01:19:14.680 It's really up to us as the senior partner to say, not in our best interest.

01:19:18.560 The answer is no.

01:19:19.520 You've been trying to force this on every president for the past whatever decades, and they've all withstood you, and we will withstand you too.

01:19:26.040 The answer is no.

01:19:26.940 I have to think about the 350 million Americans who elected me, not the 9 million Israelis who have a different goal.

01:19:32.720 It is not consistent.

01:19:34.460 Anyway, Sagar, you've been amazing on this.

01:19:36.440 I've really, really appreciated your coverage on your show, on Tucker, here, and I'm grateful to have you back on our show again to help our audience understand that there's more than one view on this.

01:19:46.500 It's not just the Fox News way.

01:19:47.820 There are a lot of very smart, right-leaning, conservative minds who have very good reasons for opposing what Trump is doing.

01:19:54.140 Well, thank you very much for having me, Megan.

01:19:56.380 I think you've had immense courage in your coverage.

01:19:59.120 I know it's not easy to come under all of that fire, and I just encourage you to keep it up on behalf of the country.

01:20:04.780 So thank you.

01:20:05.740 God bless you.

01:20:06.540 Thank you so much for being here and send my love to my pal, Crystal.

01:20:10.800 It's a funny story for you.

01:20:11.900 So we're going to bring on the culture panel in a second.

01:20:14.120 But Crystal Ball and I met back in my Fox News days.

01:20:17.740 She was running for office, I think in Virginia, if memory serves.

01:20:21.520 And she made national headlines.

01:20:23.820 She had an interesting name, obviously, Crystal Ball. 1.00

01:20:26.360 And she got like, I don't know if you – you might call it revenge porn today by her – I think it was ex-husband who leaked some – it was a PG photo of her, like in her college days. 0.97

01:20:38.280 And he tried to like sink her run.

01:20:40.140 And we had her on as a guest, like just to talk about the news story around her.

01:20:44.020 And we bonded instantly.

01:20:44.880 We talked about the name.

01:20:45.760 We talked about what was going on.

01:20:47.220 So that didn't – politics didn't wind up working out for her. 0.94

01:20:49.660 But she wound up getting into the cable news biz.

01:20:52.360 And she's a Democrat.

01:20:53.700 She's not a Republican.

01:20:54.800 She's been very critical of the Trump administration.

01:20:57.020 But – and there have been, obviously, with her, with me, with everybody, controversial moments.

01:21:00.660 But I have to say I've always found her to be a good person, somebody who reports as honestly as she can.

01:21:07.620 Like she's coming from a place of honesty and trying to find real truth.

01:21:11.320 Our politics are extremely different.

01:21:12.700 But I've always respected her, vice versa.

01:21:15.020 And she's the one who brought Sagar and Jetty into my own world.

01:21:18.380 So I appreciate that as well.

01:21:19.480 They've got a great show.

01:21:20.680 So, okay.

01:21:21.520 We are moving on.

01:21:22.260 Up next, we are going to bring in our culture panel because there is some stuff happening there.

01:21:26.060 And don't we need a lighter note?

01:21:27.140 I mean, Iran is so heavy. 0.99

01:21:28.800 The troops, the death, the, you know, regime change, the potential quagmire, you know, even like – I love President Trump.

01:21:38.080 I'm totally rooting for Pete Hegseth.

01:21:39.440 I want these people.

01:21:40.160 I still am a supporter of all of them.

01:21:43.000 I just disagree with this particular action so much.

01:21:45.340 But it brings me no joy to sit and have a conversation like that.

01:21:48.320 And yet I feel – I do feel actually a patriotic duty to do it.

01:21:51.580 It is a patriotic duty.

01:21:53.340 That's how I view it.

01:21:54.580 Even if you disagree, I think it's important to hear this side, right?

01:21:57.660 You can get the other side virtually anywhere in Republican politics.

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01:22:53.120 The absurd Stephen Colbert goodbye tour continues.

01:22:57.440 Why won't he just leave?

01:22:59.020 Why can't he just close the curtains and walk away as opposed to the long, long, long goodbye?

01:23:05.440 We'll get to it in a second.

01:23:06.760 As well as a new piece out in New York Magazine detailing the multiple regrets that women have about having children. 0.98

01:23:14.500 Nice.

01:23:15.400 Who sits around and says, what can we highlight?

01:23:18.980 Let's find moms who can't stand their kids. 1.00

01:23:21.200 That'll be a great article.

01:23:22.580 I mean, truly, only deranged leftists would even want to highlight that kind of a thing.

01:23:26.660 And then there's James Tallarico, who is going to be the Democratic candidate for Senate in Texas, who continues to be a goldmine when it comes to weirdness.

01:23:36.180 And sadly, he's leading in the polls versus either John Cornyn or Ken Paxton.

01:23:42.620 Now, that's disturbing.

01:23:44.420 Query whether those polls are accurate, but, like, he's up by a fair amount, which ought to scare us all.

01:23:50.040 Here to discuss it all, Isabel Brown, host of The Isabel Brown Show on The Daily Wire, and first-time guest, Brianna Lyman, host of Countdown to Freedom and elections correspondent for The Federalist.

01:24:00.260 We love The Federalist.

01:24:01.520 Isabel, Brianna, great to see you both.

01:24:03.120 Thanks for being here.

01:24:03.920 Let's start with Stephen Colbert, who just, like, is completely overestimating the amount that anybody's going to miss him.

01:24:11.220 Like, this long goodbye.

01:24:12.200 I've never seen anything like it because he had, like, a year to say goodbye, and I think it's finally going to happen in May, which can't come soon enough.

01:24:18.840 And here he was last night, John Lithgow, on his show, reading a poem for Colbert.

01:24:25.820 Would you look at this?

01:24:27.000 And I tell you, brace your stomachs.

01:24:29.280 The time has arrived for us all to prepare for the doleful departure of Stephen Colbert.

01:24:38.020 How will we last in the gaping black hole that's left in the absence of this merry soul?

01:24:46.600 We've been lavished with laughter for 20 straight years from the genius between Stephen's two mismatched ears.

01:24:56.760 Why does his exit stir up such despair?

01:25:01.580 What mysterious magic imbues late night's air?

01:25:06.420 So why is he cancelled?

01:25:09.080 Why trash all that pleasure?

01:25:11.660 Why yank off the air this beloved national treasure?

01:25:18.500 Stephen's tale is a lesson for all who come after.

01:25:22.360 Beware of a boss with thin skin and no laughter. 0.59

01:25:27.300 I just threw up a little in my mouth.

01:25:31.040 I can't, Isabel.

01:25:32.660 I can't with this.

01:25:33.880 Like, you would truly think that this was like a Johnny Carson type, you know, beloved by the whole country where we could all get behind.

01:25:40.000 Oh, we're going to miss him.

01:25:40.840 He's just retiring because he's older now.

01:25:42.540 He wants to play golf, right?

01:25:44.100 But this is, he is one of the most controversial people in America. 0.98

01:25:47.540 He's being let go because his ratings suck. 0.75

01:25:50.700 I don't think that made the poem.

01:25:53.220 No, and honestly, Megan, that's the part that I'm still scratching my head over, not just related to Stephen Colbert, but all of the late night hosts lately.

01:26:01.200 There's this understanding in Hollywood that late night is the epitome of making it and having your own show.

01:26:07.140 If people are watching it in the evening, clearly means that you are the funniest person on the face of the planet.

01:26:12.180 I don't think that's true anymore, and a TikToker is getting infinitely more views than your average late night host and is infinitely funnier in modern American culture.

01:26:21.980 So I really think this is more of a passing of the torch to whatever the next medium is going to be, the same way that independent and alternative media are outshining legacy news coverage of everything going on in the world.

01:26:33.160 And I'm anxious to see what comes next because I think this will breed a new level of creativity and actual comedy coming back to American culture.

01:26:40.220 None of that was funny at all.

01:26:42.340 It was unbelievably cringy.

01:26:44.360 No, and it's amazing to see, like, they always call the Trump fans like MAGA cults, you know, that they're cult members, Brianna.

01:26:52.700 But it's like, you look at that, that weirdness by John Lithgow towards Stephen Colbert, who's a truly hateful man.

01:26:59.300 I mean, he loathes half the country.

01:27:01.500 That's cult-like behavior.

01:27:03.760 Yeah, it is cult-like behavior.

01:27:05.220 And you see that in the poem because he sits back and he's basically saying, I don't know why Stephen Colbert is getting the axe.

01:27:11.980 And it just goes to show you what kind of bubble all of the Hollywood apparatus lives in, that they don't understand that when people used to tune in for late night comedy like Johnny Carson, you wanted to step away from the everyday politics, the negativity.

01:27:24.760 You don't get that anymore when you watch Kimmel, Colbert, the rest of them, because all it is, is shoving their political views down your throat with a few laugh soundtracks in the background.

01:27:34.040 And people are tired of that, which is why the ratings are tanking.

01:27:37.100 But they themselves don't see it.

01:27:38.560 So until they see it, they're not going to rectify the problem.

01:27:41.580 But think about your own life.

01:27:42.660 Like, for whom would you sit down and write a long poem like that, like an ode, like a true love story?

01:27:51.280 Is it anyone on TV?

01:27:53.720 You know, is it somebody like a Stephen Colbert?

01:27:56.540 I guarantee they don't know each other.

01:27:58.360 This is just like an aderant fandom that is humiliating to John Lithgow, who is, of course, of the left. 0.99

01:28:06.460 I remember he played Roger Ailes in that movie Bombshell and was so quick to come out and, like, shit all over Fox News. 0.91

01:28:15.360 Roger Ailes is like, well, then why did you star in the movie? 0.98

01:28:17.640 Because he had the chance to make him look terrible.

01:28:19.400 That's what he enjoyed about it and had only negative things to say.

01:28:23.000 It's like, wouldn't it be more interesting if you could find some complexity in this character and see that there really was a tug of war between this guy who gave his employees cancer treatments that he didn't have to pay for and this guy who did wind up sexually harassing other employees?

01:28:35.460 Like, that would be a much more interesting man to play.

01:28:38.000 But, no, he sees anybody on the right as a villain and a monster.

01:28:40.940 I think he used that term, monster.

01:28:42.960 Okay, monstrous numbers coming out of Texas when it comes to this James Tallarico.

01:28:47.000 I mean, I feel like people like us normies look at this guy and his insanity and say there's no way this person is going to do well in Texas.

01:28:54.680 And my pal Jesse Kelly assures me he's not going to.

01:28:58.140 So I'm going to go with Jesse.

01:28:59.840 But the polls look bad for Republicans on this.

01:29:03.140 I'm trying to pull up RCP.

01:29:06.040 No, this is the latest poll that just hit out of Senate in Texas.

01:29:10.280 And it shows Tallarico with 48 and Cornyn 42.

01:29:14.120 Keep in mind we don't know who the Republican will be yet.

01:29:15.960 It's either Cornyn or Paxton.

01:29:17.120 And 49 to Paxton's 42.

01:29:19.620 So he's beating Paxton by seven points.

01:29:21.420 He's beating Cornyn by six points right now.

01:29:23.580 So that's terrifying because listen to – here's just one example of his madness.

01:29:31.380 This is him speaking at his home church, St. Andrews, in 2025, Sot 53.

01:29:35.980 Christ is the immigrant deported without due process. 1.00

01:29:40.480 Christ is the senior deprived of their Social Security benefits. 0.95

01:29:46.700 Christ is the protester kidnapped in an unmarked vehicle by plainclothes officers.

01:29:53.240 So a little concerned, Isabel, about how – it's not – I don't even would describe that as tight.

01:29:58.960 Like a seven-point lead for Tallarico is actually pretty solid.

01:30:01.600 It's kind of scary.

01:30:02.500 It is scary.

01:30:04.160 And honestly, Megan, it should be scaring a whole lot more people on the political right. 0.97

01:30:08.000 I keep hearing that this guy is so crazy. 1.00

01:30:10.060 He's so insane. 1.00

01:30:10.900 No one will ever vote for him.

01:30:12.520 But I don't think that's generally how the political left is viewing James Tallarico.

01:30:17.140 He is a shining star and potentially the new face of the left because he comes across so normal.

01:30:24.300 Shockingly, I know.

01:30:25.180 I know that might be insane for some of your viewers to hear.

01:30:27.740 But they're not covering the more egregious things that James Tallarico is saying.

01:30:31.060 Things like defining woman as a lens through which to defeat patriarchy or saying that Mary, the mother of God, is the reason that we should all be pro-abortion, as if we didn't have Jesus Christ come into the world through an unexpected pregnancy.

01:30:46.240 These are the things that he's saying not just on the campaign trail but from the pulpit.

01:30:50.160 And yet it's being twisted and manipulated by the media as this form of toxic empathy where it comes across that you're the person who really cares about the marginalized.

01:30:59.080 You are the person who's doing everything they can to love and accept their neighbor.

01:31:03.680 And in reality, it's actually so hateful for society that you're seeing the erasure of women.

01:31:08.940 You're seeing advocacy for the slaughter of innocent children and a complete twisting of Christianity, the foundation upon which our country was built.

01:31:17.140 I think this is a really scary moment for the left as they grapple with their options of who's going to be our face moving forward because that's not yet answered.

01:31:24.500 Is it going to be someone like a Zoran Mamdani that's holding Muslim prayer services in the New York City mayor's mansion and Gracie Mansion?

01:31:32.480 Or is it going to be this facade of Christianity that looks appealing to the average independent voter or someone who's on the fence but in reality is pushing this extreme leftism just right under the surface?

01:31:45.220 If that's the answer, it's very scary.

01:31:47.500 Brianna, I look at this guy.

01:31:48.360 I actually think he is more radical than Jasmine Crockett.

01:31:51.360 Like she was squad friendly, but she didn't engage in this kind of extreme rhetoric when it came to Christianity or, you know, peddling these far, far left progressive views under the guise of Christianity and God-fearing speak.

01:32:07.540 Here's one.

01:32:08.860 This is bizarre.

01:32:09.740 This is truly bizarre.

01:32:11.200 Listen to what he said when asked a very simple question just in August of 2023.

01:32:15.740 This is top 54.

01:32:16.440 Something that you love that's not family or friends.

01:32:22.500 I love, I'm just saying this because it's on my mind, the trans children who showed up yesterday at the state capitol to advocate for their humanity.

01:32:33.180 They shouldn't have to, but it was an inspiration to watch.

01:32:36.880 Who would say that?

01:32:39.380 That's so bizarre.

01:32:40.800 Like, who do you want to help?

01:32:42.760 Who desperately needs psychiatric intervention?

01:32:47.440 Who's being abused by parents who are working out their own woke politics on their children?

01:32:51.400 Yeah, maybe.

01:32:52.140 But, like, who do you love outside of family and you go to trans children? 0.97

01:32:55.500 Your thoughts on him?

01:32:56.980 Yeah, yeah.

01:32:57.400 And he could have said anything.

01:32:58.420 He could have said, what do I love?

01:32:59.660 I love football, right?

01:33:00.460 Something that would actually resonate with the majority of Americans, and in particular, men, because Democrats have lost young men 18 to 29 in large swaths.

01:33:08.840 So they have to work to get them back.

01:33:10.480 But, no, he went to trans children and he said, they're fighting for their humanity.

01:33:14.660 There is nothing humane about cleaving healthy breast tissue off a child.

01:33:19.140 There is nothing humane about mutilating their body.

01:33:21.600 And we have seen so many detransitioners come out and talk about that mental and physical impact of their choices that they made when they simply were not in the right frame of mind. 0.98

01:33:30.700 And instead of getting them the psychiatric help that they need, he wants to double down on this.

01:33:35.100 And to Isabel's point about Christianity, look, we have heard for years that Christianity is the greatest threat to democracy, right? 0.98

01:33:41.140 White Christian men are going to tear this country down. 1.00

01:33:43.800 But when James Tallarico wants to launder his radical progressivism through his very convoluted interpretation of the Bible, suddenly it's okay, it's cool. 0.90

01:33:52.820 And actually, the media is salivating at how he's normalizing Christianity and bringing back Christianity in a way that's okay for the mainstream media because they get to decide what's okay and what's not.

01:34:03.820 Yeah, because somehow now it reinforces all of their weird worldviews.

01:34:07.940 But that's not real Christianity. 0.66

01:34:09.440 I mean, this is why when I took a one-day excursion into the Episcopalian church, I walked right out of there as soon as she started the homily because it was a female priest talking all about how we need to trans our children and support the trans children. 0.98

01:34:21.640 And I was out of there and went right back to my Catholic church, which doesn't engage in that nonsense.

01:34:26.740 Now, we're not great on immigration, but we're very solid on the trans issue, and it's one of the many reasons I remained an observant Catholic.

01:34:34.540 All right, not completely far afield from that soundbite is this piece that I mentioned in the intro from New York Magazine's The Cut.

01:34:42.620 And it's a piece all about regretting being a parent.

01:34:46.020 I mean, truly, only the left would sit around and say, you know, it would be a great thought piece on how many parents hate their children.

01:34:51.820 And they actually managed to find people who hate their children.

01:34:55.460 The one mother they highlight is leaving them. 0.83

01:34:58.460 Like, she's actually going to peace out because she doesn't want to be with her children anymore, and she doesn't seem to feel particularly bad about it.

01:35:05.520 It ends with, my husband and I are taking steps to separate, and he's willing to take on the role of a single parent, which makes me feel incredibly guilty.

01:35:13.100 Oh, you're a good person then.

01:35:14.360 But I can't live this life with him anymore.

01:35:16.160 I'm not the parent my son needs.

01:35:17.840 I don't feel anything for him.

01:35:20.400 And I don't want to wait it out for years and walk out when he has actual memories.

01:35:24.460 Oh, my God.

01:35:25.660 She talks about how it's been a year, genuinely.

01:35:28.100 If there is a hell, I've been living it since I gave birth.

01:35:32.800 When my son was placed on me, I didn't feel anything.

01:35:37.560 It was surreal.

01:35:38.860 This is a 27-year-old North Carolina mother of a 1-year-old. 0.94

01:35:42.800 And the more you listen to this woman, the more you think, she's doing the right thing.

01:35:46.900 She should get the hell away from that child because all I can think, Isabel, is I feel bad for her baby.

01:35:51.840 Maybe now he has a shot, if the father remarries, of finding a mom who actually loves him.

01:35:56.700 That was exactly my first thought when I read this piece as well.

01:36:00.520 And it hits me all over again hearing you read those words out loud, Megan, because I'm in the exact phase of life that this young mom is in.

01:36:06.240 I'm 28, so I'm one year older than her, but my daughter will be one at the end of next month.

01:36:10.540 And my last year has been so full of the most magical, purpose-giving moments that I could have ever asked for in my life.

01:36:18.420 I am such a different person today than I was a year ago when I was anxiously awaiting the birth of my daughter in all of the best ways. 0.99

01:36:24.960 But how they are presenting this through this article is asinine and completely disgusting. 0.97

01:36:30.180 The brainwashing that they're willing to do to tell young women that motherhood will ruin their life. 0.94

01:36:34.600 The way that they teased this article on X, New York Magazine actually tweeted out the three examples of the things you'll lose when you become a mom are disposable income, peace of mind, and a lazy weekend at home.

01:36:47.700 Of course, they'll never tell you that your bank account will never love you back.

01:36:50.600 Lazy weekends are always better when your baby is falling asleep on your chest and you're watching football as a family on the couch.

01:36:56.940 And peace of mind, I mean, what a more beautiful way to highlight watching your daughter laugh for the first time, that you'll never get to feel otherwise.

01:37:04.840 And now they paint you as a good person if you all out abandon your children.

01:37:08.600 I really think this is the end result of decades-long programming against young women to try to convince us to never want to get married or have children in the first place. 1.00

01:37:17.740 But now that they can't do that because we know it's an innate desire baked into us by God how women are created with this nurturing instinct. 1.00

01:37:24.700 Now, even if we lost you and you ended up becoming a mom, we'll just convince you to leave that experience because it's so bad for you.

01:37:30.800 How tragic.

01:37:31.920 I'll tell you.

01:37:32.400 So my kids now, I have three.

01:37:33.800 Congrats on the birth of your daughter.

01:37:35.640 They're now 16, 14, and 12.

01:37:38.240 And there's so many fun.

01:37:40.180 It's the vast, vast majority of time now.

01:37:42.680 It's like 98% fun and 2% work at this point.

01:37:46.040 There's more work when they're little.

01:37:47.380 But I will tell you this is about one of the things I miss most about when they were really little, like babies like yours, which is not in the New York magazine, the cut piece,

01:37:54.920 is in the morning when you walk into their room and they're in their crib, you know, and they're babies, and like they've just woken up and they're so happy to see you.

01:38:05.760 And they're so sweet.

01:38:08.060 Their hair smells so good.

01:38:09.880 When they can finally start standing and they hold on to their little crib rails and they're looking at, they're so thrilled when you walk in there.

01:38:15.820 It's like there isn't an amount of money that you can place on that.

01:38:19.480 I can't quite understand somebody who would commission a whole piece on highlighting only the financial downsides.

01:38:28.020 Brenna, I don't think that you're a mom yet, right?

01:38:31.360 But when you look at this, does this pull you in any one direction?

01:38:35.780 Do you think to yourself, oh, yeah, no, I better not have kids because look what's going to happen to me.

01:38:40.760 No, if anything, I think of they missed out on writing about all the things that moms gain.

01:38:45.060 You know, my mom talks all the time about all the things she gained by having me and my sisters.

01:38:48.580 And I actually feel bad for this young woman because, remember, my generation has been taught that we should go out and pursue our career and nothing else, right?

01:38:56.620 That marriage and motherhood are shackles that you have to break away from if you want to succeed.

01:39:01.480 And we've been taught that women don't actually have any intrinsic value, but we have a lot of value. 1.00

01:39:05.960 No other person can be a mother, right? 0.97

01:39:07.980 No other person has that, you know, kindness and warmth.

01:39:10.820 And we should embrace that and celebrate that.

01:39:12.940 And I unfortunately think that this young mom probably bought that lie, hook, line, and sinker, that she has to be only a career woman and not a mother. 1.00

01:39:20.700 And now it's impacting her offspring, which is just awful for this child.

01:39:23.900 Yeah.

01:39:24.060 Now she sees him as an inconvenience that she has to deal with as opposed to an enhancement who will make her life better.

01:39:30.380 And just like the folly of suggesting, oh, if I, there's a lot in here about how, oh, you know, if I didn't have kids, I could just go for a walk and no one would bother me.

01:39:39.260 It might be an isolated life, but it would be a peaceful one.

01:39:42.900 This one woman writes a different lady. 0.92

01:39:44.600 If I could go back, I'd redo everything.

01:39:46.800 My fantasy is an alternate universe where I graduated, I went straight to a doctorate program and lived alone.

01:39:52.760 I mean, like she writes, I would go for walks whenever I wanted.

01:39:56.000 I would go swimming at the end of the week.

01:39:57.780 It would be isolated but peaceful.

01:39:59.980 It's like my future's over now with nowhere else to go.

01:40:03.920 Well, my daughter's is about to begin.

01:40:06.000 It's an ugly feeling.

01:40:07.160 These people have been taught wrong.

01:40:08.680 They've been raised wrong.

01:40:10.180 They're looking at it all wrong.

01:40:11.480 You fold your child into your life.

01:40:13.120 You don't give up your life because of your child.

01:40:15.740 If you're looking at it that way, you're doing it wrong.

01:40:18.040 There's more to discuss. 0.98

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01:42:41.020 and picking up where we left off

01:42:42.360 with that one woman who said,

01:42:43.720 you know,

01:42:43.900 my future's over now.

01:42:45.880 She's a 30-year-old European mother of three,

01:42:49.060 and she says,

01:42:50.840 I felt like,

01:42:52.260 this is after she gave birth,

01:42:54.440 first of all,

01:42:54.980 she says,

01:42:55.440 we went home,

01:42:56.420 everything was a nightmare.

01:42:57.860 I breastfed my daughter,

01:42:59.000 but I couldn't pick her up,

01:42:59.940 because she had had an incision during the birth

01:43:02.820 that left her unable to move from pain.

01:43:05.820 My husband had a month and a half of paternity leave,

01:43:08.920 but the only helpful thing he did during that time

01:43:10.500 was change her diapers,

01:43:11.760 though he did it with a reluctant expression on his face.

01:43:15.040 I had the feeling he never believed how much pain I was in.

01:43:17.840 My mom helped,

01:43:18.900 but she didn't like being disturbed at night,

01:43:20.480 and even during the day,

01:43:21.220 she was afraid of holding the baby or changing her.

01:43:23.480 Already now I'm thinking, reading this,

01:43:24.780 you have a bad support system.

01:43:26.560 You don't have a good marriage,

01:43:28.220 you don't have a great husband, 1.00

01:43:29.600 and you kind of have a pain in the ass mother. 1.00

01:43:31.560 You should have set yourself up better with help 1.00

01:43:34.020 from a friend, maybe a sister,

01:43:35.420 you should have married better, 0.86

01:43:36.420 that's obvious,

01:43:37.340 and discussed what the expectations would be

01:43:39.600 for shared parenthood when you had a baby.

01:43:41.760 Clearly you forgot all that.

01:43:43.220 She writes,

01:43:43.640 it felt like I'd been tricked into this.

01:43:45.400 Everyone who wanted me to have a child,

01:43:46.940 my husband, my family,

01:43:48.900 knew they weren't going to lose much,

01:43:50.920 while my freedom and identity went down the toilet.

01:43:54.720 Now that's amazing to me.

01:43:56.560 Because your freedom and your identity

01:43:58.240 only go down the toilet, Isabel,

01:43:59.720 if you allow it to.

01:44:00.740 You're a working mother right now. 0.99

01:44:02.820 Your identity is not only intact,

01:44:05.000 but known by many, many people,

01:44:06.540 thanks to the fact that you're out there

01:44:07.760 doing a podcast,

01:44:09.860 having it all.

01:44:10.820 I know you're not allowed to say that anymore,

01:44:12.280 but you are having it all.

01:44:13.860 P.S.

01:44:14.220 It is possible with certain compromises.

01:44:18.000 Yeah, you know,

01:44:18.600 growing up, Megan,

01:44:19.440 my mom always worked full time,

01:44:20.760 and she used to say to us three girls 0.99

01:44:22.480 that she was raising,

01:44:23.260 you can have it all,

01:44:24.360 but not at the same time.

01:44:25.820 And I've heard different variations

01:44:27.120 of that growing up,

01:44:28.320 but my favorite way

01:44:29.140 that anyone has ever put it

01:44:30.260 was actually from Charlie Kirk

01:44:31.500 a few weeks before he died.

01:44:33.080 He was explaining to a mutual friend of ours

01:44:34.860 who was going through the trenches of parenthood

01:44:36.760 with a very demanding job

01:44:37.960 at the White House

01:44:38.660 and asking,

01:44:39.660 how do you possibly do it, Charlie?

01:44:40.980 You're always on airplanes,

01:44:41.800 and yet you always find time

01:44:42.860 to be with your family.

01:44:44.140 And his answer was,

01:44:45.040 I have a really great team.

01:44:46.860 And our friend laughed and said,

01:44:48.480 okay, fine,

01:44:49.100 so you have a bunch of nannies, 1.00

01:44:50.220 and you have people

01:44:50.740 who help you at night,

01:44:51.520 and he stopped him and said,

01:44:52.440 no, I have a really great team.

01:44:54.320 It's you,

01:44:54.940 it's our coworkers,

01:44:56.240 it's our friends,

01:44:56.960 it's the people who help us out,

01:44:58.580 no holds barred.

01:44:59.440 And so I think when I hear complaints like this,

01:45:01.400 I'm realizing over time

01:45:02.960 that usually this is less about

01:45:04.880 the family unit

01:45:05.920 of the immediate family there

01:45:07.460 and more about the lack of a village.

01:45:11.280 And in society,

01:45:13.200 we're so normal cutting off

01:45:14.700 your extended family

01:45:16.040 over disagreements

01:45:17.120 of just trying to shoulder it on

01:45:18.500 all by yourself.

01:45:19.300 That's not how you're supposed

01:45:20.700 to deal with this,

01:45:21.560 with new life coming into the world.

01:45:23.000 And it really does take a village,

01:45:25.140 be it your coworkers,

01:45:26.120 your friends,

01:45:26.600 your family,

01:45:27.420 the people that you can lean on

01:45:28.800 in that time of support.

01:45:30.220 But because babies

01:45:31.120 aren't out and about everywhere,

01:45:32.300 they're not being taken

01:45:33.060 to restaurants or on airplanes

01:45:34.660 or even on the train

01:45:35.560 to and from work,

01:45:36.560 people aren't used to this idea

01:45:37.960 of needing to pitch in

01:45:38.880 and help these new young families.

01:45:40.500 And I think it's really time

01:45:41.420 for a resurgence of that.

01:45:42.840 Honestly, you married poorly

01:45:44.180 if you've got a husband

01:45:45.200 who doesn't want to change the diapers

01:45:46.740 and who you feel disdain for

01:45:49.020 after you have the child.

01:45:50.360 And even with your mother,

01:45:51.500 you could sit down and say,

01:45:52.440 Mom, I need your help.

01:45:54.020 I know you don't like

01:45:54.740 changing the diapers,

01:45:55.820 but I can't afford a babysitter.

01:45:57.880 I can't afford a nanny. 1.00

01:45:59.280 You're it.

01:45:59.960 I'm ill.

01:46:00.720 I've got this incision.

01:46:02.040 I need your help.

01:46:02.920 Like most mothers, 0.59

01:46:03.880 if you spoke to them frankly,

01:46:05.200 would probably step it up.

01:46:06.980 And certainly the husband

01:46:08.180 should step it up.

01:46:09.020 Like these people need to marry better 0.99

01:46:10.820 or improve their communication.

01:46:12.700 And then Brianna,

01:46:13.340 there are the ones in this article

01:46:14.700 who are obsessed with money,

01:46:16.360 which is a different kind of God

01:46:18.320 for a different kind of person.

01:46:19.920 And if that is your God,

01:46:20.960 you really should reconsider

01:46:21.940 having children

01:46:22.800 unless you're rolling in dough

01:46:24.300 because they will place

01:46:25.460 a financial strain on you.

01:46:26.880 Here is,

01:46:27.880 they describe this gal

01:46:28.940 as a Rhode Island mother

01:46:30.920 of a six-year-old

01:46:31.900 and a three-year-old.

01:46:33.140 Now she says she had a daughter

01:46:34.740 who was colicky

01:46:35.700 her first year of life.

01:46:36.700 That is very stressful for sure.

01:46:38.840 Then at work,

01:46:39.480 I couldn't put in 70-hour weeks anymore

01:46:42.080 or attend trainings

01:46:43.420 while breastfeeding

01:46:44.100 so I fell behind.

01:46:44.940 Well, obviously, 1.00

01:46:45.760 I mean like you're an idiot 1.00

01:46:46.560 if you think you're not 1.00

01:46:47.100 going to make any sacrifices

01:46:48.500 from bringing another human

01:46:50.160 into your life.

01:46:51.240 Yes, correct.

01:46:52.140 You're not going to be working 70 hours. 0.99

01:46:53.920 Boo, fucking who? 1.00

01:46:54.940 Like there are a lot of gunners 1.00

01:46:56.500 and I know a lot of women 1.00

01:46:57.340 on Wall Street

01:46:58.040 and that's true gunners

01:46:59.080 who did have to step off

01:47:01.580 the fast track

01:47:02.240 for a couple of years,

01:47:02.960 especially when their kids were young,

01:47:04.040 but got back on

01:47:05.100 because they're brilliant

01:47:06.000 and they're gunners.

01:47:06.920 So they actually are going to work

01:47:08.460 and make it up

01:47:09.380 if that's their choice.

01:47:10.540 Others decide

01:47:11.220 this baby is the be-all end-all

01:47:13.220 and I have no wish

01:47:14.040 to put myself back on that track.

01:47:15.600 But here's what this woman writes. 1.00

01:47:17.560 I live for bedtime.

01:47:19.120 Those two or three hours at night

01:47:20.400 that I squeeze all my living into.

01:47:23.580 Okay, she's doing it all wrong.

01:47:25.080 We'll watch movies

01:47:25.700 or play video games

01:47:26.620 and every now and then

01:47:27.580 I'll try to work on an art project

01:47:29.360 but by the time

01:47:30.440 I've set everything up

01:47:31.260 I'm exhausted

01:47:31.820 and it's time for bed.

01:47:33.140 Having a kid

01:47:33.820 turns you into a morning person

01:47:35.320 the way being chased by a bear

01:47:37.000 turns you into a runner.

01:47:38.300 I actually thought

01:47:38.740 that was kind of funny.

01:47:39.780 Okay, but then she writes,

01:47:40.520 but we recently spent

01:47:41.840 all our savings

01:47:42.900 buying a more expensive house

01:47:44.280 because we lived

01:47:45.140 in a terrible school district

01:47:46.440 and it got us talking.

01:47:47.940 I was able to say to my husband,

01:47:49.800 our life probably

01:47:51.000 would have been better

01:47:51.920 if we didn't have kids

01:47:53.440 and he was like,

01:47:54.840 you know what?

01:47:56.000 You might be right.

01:47:57.600 I love our children,

01:47:58.700 she writes,

01:47:59.080 and would never want them

01:47:59.800 to think mom and dad

01:48:00.560 would be happier

01:48:01.100 if I weren't here

01:48:02.020 but thinking about our life

01:48:03.700 without them,

01:48:04.520 I would be happier overall.

01:48:06.240 So for her,

01:48:07.400 it boils down to

01:48:08.600 the almighty dollar.

01:48:11.020 She thinks she'd be richer 0.86

01:48:12.360 financially,

01:48:13.780 not richer overall,

01:48:15.060 but richer financially

01:48:16.500 if she just didn't have

01:48:17.960 these two pesky children.

01:48:20.520 First, let me just say

01:48:21.420 that if I was one

01:48:22.360 of these children,

01:48:23.240 I would be so heartbroken

01:48:25.300 when I come of age

01:48:26.360 and can read this

01:48:27.100 and read what my parents

01:48:27.980 wrote about me

01:48:28.520 because no matter how much

01:48:29.460 they express their love to me,

01:48:31.160 I would always feel

01:48:31.860 some kind of guilt

01:48:32.560 in the back of my head

01:48:33.480 that I have encumbered

01:48:34.520 their life in some kind of way,

01:48:36.180 having children

01:48:37.240 is one of the most

01:48:38.220 selfless things you can do

01:48:39.520 because you do have to pour

01:48:40.740 a lot into a child.

01:48:42.160 And I know I say this

01:48:42.740 as someone who doesn't

01:48:43.360 have a child,

01:48:43.920 but I've seen other parents

01:48:44.880 do it.

01:48:45.560 And it's extremely rewarding,

01:48:46.980 but it's also important

01:48:47.800 just for the betterment

01:48:48.880 of society, right?

01:48:50.240 And I think that

01:48:51.040 my generation in particular,

01:48:52.580 there has been

01:48:52.980 a major shift, right?

01:48:54.140 We are a very

01:48:54.880 narcissistic generation.

01:48:56.200 Everything is about us

01:48:57.340 in the immediate,

01:48:58.320 in the now.

01:48:59.000 We don't think long-term

01:49:00.600 and we don't really care

01:49:01.600 who we hurt,

01:49:02.360 whether it's a child,

01:49:03.420 our own child,

01:49:04.160 or even someone

01:49:05.100 that we're speaking to,

01:49:06.020 a friend, a boyfriend,

01:49:07.000 whatever it may be.

01:49:08.440 But if you go back

01:49:09.420 just throughout

01:49:09.900 American history in particular,

01:49:11.540 family was the core

01:49:12.940 of a functioning society.

01:49:14.340 You don't have

01:49:14.960 a functioning society

01:49:16.140 without not only

01:49:17.200 a functioning family,

01:49:18.120 but two parents

01:49:18.880 in the household,

01:49:19.700 which is, again,

01:49:20.400 something Charlie Kirk

01:49:21.100 spoke about all the time,

01:49:22.020 the importance of having

01:49:22.980 a mother and a father, right?

01:49:25.080 What did the government do

01:49:26.100 in the late 60s,

01:49:26.980 early 70s

01:49:27.660 that broke down

01:49:28.520 that family unit?

01:49:29.760 And I think you're seeing

01:49:30.620 those repercussions now

01:49:31.640 when you have young mothers

01:49:32.620 who abhor the idea

01:49:34.420 of a strong family unit,

01:49:35.640 who abhor the idea

01:49:36.540 of being a mom.

01:49:38.000 And again,

01:49:38.480 to the hyper-obnoxious,

01:49:39.840 independent girl boss regime 0.97

01:49:41.500 that we've all been taught,

01:49:42.760 I think a lot of women 1.00

01:49:43.660 feel like they are not

01:49:44.600 fulfilling their ultimate

01:49:45.840 societal goals

01:49:47.000 unless they are working

01:49:48.300 70 hours a week

01:49:49.460 and bringing home

01:49:50.100 a big paycheck.

01:49:50.960 Because as a culture,

01:49:51.840 we've said that being a mother

01:49:52.860 is burdensome, right?

01:49:54.160 If you choose to be a mother,

01:49:55.240 not a career woman,

01:49:56.180 there's something inherently

01:49:57.000 wrong with you.

01:49:57.640 So we need to change

01:49:58.400 the conversation around

01:49:59.400 what it means to be a mother

01:50:00.680 and celebrate women

01:50:01.440 who want to be a mother 0.97

01:50:02.640 and a worker,

01:50:03.700 just a mother

01:50:04.240 or just a worker.

01:50:06.340 Yes, completely agree.

01:50:07.940 I've told this story before,

01:50:09.280 but at our school's

01:50:11.280 career night,

01:50:13.600 I urged the head of school

01:50:14.720 to, I'm like,

01:50:15.600 it's great,

01:50:15.900 you can bring in the doctors

01:50:16.640 and the lawyers

01:50:17.080 and the journalists

01:50:17.580 and whomever else you want

01:50:18.960 and you should really,

01:50:20.340 really consider bringing in

01:50:21.760 a stay-at-home mom.

01:50:23.560 You should remind

01:50:24.820 these young girls

01:50:25.680 at this all-girls school,

01:50:26.820 this is an amazing path for you.

01:50:28.600 And have somebody stand up there

01:50:30.300 and say,

01:50:30.620 this is why I find it so rewarding.

01:50:32.400 It can be done

01:50:33.060 and there's nothing wrong with it

01:50:34.140 and it actually is a job

01:50:35.560 and it's available

01:50:36.260 to all of them

01:50:37.040 if only they prioritize

01:50:38.420 love, relationship

01:50:40.000 and nurturing and caring

01:50:42.560 the way a mother must do. 1.00

01:50:44.720 Okay, let's move on.

01:50:46.340 Meghan Markle

01:50:47.240 would like you to spend

01:50:48.580 $2,288 in fact

01:50:53.480 to spend time with her.

01:50:55.740 If you lock down

01:50:56.720 an early bird ticket,

01:50:57.940 you can get it for $1,930.

01:50:59.780 $1,900 and $1,30.

01:51:02.160 And for this,

01:51:03.060 you can see her

01:51:03.660 at a luxury retreat

01:51:05.020 in Australia

01:51:06.000 where she will be

01:51:07.340 headlining

01:51:08.340 some gathering of women

01:51:10.400 for the podcast,

01:51:11.640 this is not her podcast,

01:51:13.400 quote,

01:51:13.800 her best life.

01:51:15.840 You have to act fast

01:51:17.060 if you want in

01:51:17.700 because it happens

01:51:18.340 Friday, April 17th

01:51:20.140 through April,

01:51:21.060 Sunday, April 19th.

01:51:23.720 This is being hosted

01:51:24.720 by Australian podcast

01:51:25.860 hosts Jackie O'Henderson

01:51:27.120 and Gemma O'Neill

01:51:28.080 who have recruited Meghan,

01:51:29.940 although it later came out

01:51:31.020 that she called them

01:51:31.820 to lead the event,

01:51:33.780 which will focus on

01:51:34.880 powerful conversations,

01:51:36.860 relaxation,

01:51:38.100 laughter,

01:51:38.980 and unforgettable experiences.

01:51:41.400 They say that

01:51:42.280 what you're going to get

01:51:43.320 is a gala dinner,

01:51:45.100 an in-person conversation

01:51:46.200 with Meghan,

01:51:47.300 Duchess of Sussex,

01:51:48.120 a powerful women's session 0.93

01:51:49.740 with renowned therapist

01:51:50.820 Dr. Justine Corey,

01:51:52.440 meditation and manifestation

01:51:53.720 session with Gemma,

01:51:56.120 yoga session to start the day,

01:51:57.900 and a beautiful sound

01:51:59.160 healing experience.

01:52:00.840 By the way,

01:52:01.700 when you talk about

01:52:03.300 a gala dinner,

01:52:04.300 you will not be actually

01:52:05.220 like seated at her table.

01:52:06.760 She just might be there

01:52:07.680 and they want you to know

01:52:08.820 that while you might get

01:52:09.680 a photo app with her,

01:52:11.060 it will be a group photo app

01:52:12.860 you will not be getting

01:52:14.040 one-on-one

01:52:15.500 even if you pay

01:52:16.420 for the VIP experience.

01:52:17.880 Now, I just did a tour.

01:52:18.760 If you paid for

01:52:19.820 the VIP experience,

01:52:21.260 my listening audience knows

01:52:22.240 you met me one-on-one

01:52:24.240 and we had a picture together.

01:52:25.460 It's the bare minimum

01:52:26.560 you can do for your fans,

01:52:27.940 but with Meghan,

01:52:28.860 you might be treated

01:52:30.040 to a massive group

01:52:31.520 ensemble photo

01:52:32.660 and it'll only cost you

01:52:34.180 two grand.

01:52:34.860 Isabel, how quickly

01:52:35.720 can you get there?

01:52:37.280 Oh, Meghan.

01:52:38.420 You know,

01:52:38.920 I really stopped

01:52:39.900 paying attention

01:52:40.580 to anything Meghan Markle

01:52:42.160 has ever said

01:52:43.240 after on her Netflix series

01:52:44.700 she told Young Women

01:52:45.760 that her best tip

01:52:47.060 for hosting guests

01:52:48.020 at your house

01:52:48.660 was to take pretzels

01:52:50.120 out of a plastic bag

01:52:51.620 and put them

01:52:52.240 into a different

01:52:53.320 plastic bag

01:52:54.600 and then put them out

01:52:55.640 on your kitchen counter.

01:52:56.900 She is so unbelievably

01:52:58.820 out of touch

01:52:59.680 with where normal people

01:53:00.620 are at

01:53:00.960 and it's a shame really

01:53:01.860 because growing up

01:53:03.020 I used to love

01:53:03.860 watching Suits.

01:53:04.860 I thought she was

01:53:05.400 a pretty great actress

01:53:06.460 but she can't even act 0.95

01:53:07.880 like a woman 0.99

01:53:08.820 of the people.

01:53:10.080 I mean,

01:53:10.280 $2,500 plus

01:53:11.520 for a group photo

01:53:13.140 and listening to her

01:53:14.380 speak at a dinner

01:53:15.340 at a larger retreat

01:53:16.420 that sounds fascinating.

01:53:17.940 I would love to know

01:53:18.720 what sound therapy

01:53:19.920 actually is

01:53:21.240 to fix everything wrong

01:53:22.420 in my life

01:53:23.180 as a young woman.

01:53:24.340 It just goes to show you

01:53:25.440 that these people

01:53:26.100 like these late night

01:53:26.980 comedians

01:53:27.560 and even many of these

01:53:28.260 politicians

01:53:28.660 that are running

01:53:29.180 for office here

01:53:29.840 on the left

01:53:30.940 are so in their own reality.

01:53:33.920 We are living

01:53:34.400 in two completely

01:53:35.160 different universes.

01:53:36.000 Oh, Brianna,

01:53:36.880 the way she describes

01:53:38.620 herself in like

01:53:39.760 the billing

01:53:40.240 for this event

01:53:41.000 tells you everything

01:53:42.140 you need to know

01:53:42.700 about her.

01:53:43.180 First of all,

01:53:43.600 this is billed

01:53:44.000 as a girls weekend

01:53:44.700 like no other.

01:53:46.320 She bills herself

01:53:47.240 as a mother,

01:53:48.760 wife,

01:53:49.560 entrepreneur

01:53:50.060 and humanitarian.

01:53:52.880 She says,

01:53:53.660 recognized by time

01:53:55.140 and vogue

01:53:56.260 as one of the world's

01:53:57.980 most influential women.

01:54:00.380 I mean,

01:54:00.720 literally nobody

01:54:01.500 believes that.

01:54:02.580 She remains

01:54:03.300 a dedicated champion

01:54:04.560 of mental health

01:54:05.560 and the rights

01:54:06.760 of women

01:54:07.280 and girls.

01:54:08.660 The marketing material

01:54:09.540 also refers to her

01:54:10.580 record-breaking

01:54:12.160 podcast Archetypes

01:54:14.080 and her globally

01:54:15.700 celebrated Netflix series

01:54:17.800 With Love, Megan

01:54:19.400 and her lifestyle brand

01:54:21.420 as ever.

01:54:22.840 Both Archetypes

01:54:23.860 and With Love, Megan

01:54:25.040 were dropped

01:54:26.140 by Spotify

01:54:27.080 and Netflix,

01:54:28.320 FYI,

01:54:29.200 and there was

01:54:29.680 absolutely nothing

01:54:30.700 record-breaking 1.00

01:54:31.520 about her stupid podcast 1.00

01:54:33.600 which was insufferable 1.00

01:54:34.860 and no one listened to.

01:54:36.680 The pablum

01:54:37.780 that this woman

01:54:38.680 puts out there,

01:54:39.520 one of the world's

01:54:40.420 most influential women,

01:54:42.240 what a joke.

01:54:44.640 Well,

01:54:45.260 I think they're living

01:54:46.140 in a fantasy world,

01:54:47.360 so in that case,

01:54:48.120 it may actually be accurate.

01:54:49.800 And it's funny,

01:54:50.420 out of everyone

01:54:51.320 I've spoken to

01:54:52.180 or I've read about online,

01:54:53.220 I have never seen

01:54:54.600 or heard

01:54:55.140 a positive review

01:54:56.500 of Meghan Markle.

01:54:57.360 Everyone finds her

01:54:58.460 to be so insufferable 0.96

01:54:59.920 and so disingenuous

01:55:01.180 which is why in part

01:55:02.260 her Netflix series

01:55:03.340 got canceled

01:55:03.880 because it felt

01:55:04.580 very scripted.

01:55:06.220 A royal expert

01:55:07.960 told Fox News

01:55:09.120 that this was an opportunity

01:55:10.420 to get to know

01:55:11.140 the real Meghan

01:55:11.800 because she's faced

01:55:12.660 so many battles

01:55:13.660 and hurdles.

01:55:14.680 Every single one of them

01:55:15.600 has been self-inflicted,

01:55:17.380 right? 0.95

01:55:17.700 She is so obnoxious 1.00

01:55:19.360 and people can send 0.97

01:55:20.600 that off of her.

01:55:21.940 Right, so every battle,

01:55:23.060 losing your Netflix series

01:55:24.200 or have to fight for one,

01:55:25.020 it's because nobody

01:55:25.820 actually wanted to watch you.

01:55:27.200 They were just trying

01:55:27.760 to create this persona

01:55:28.880 around you.

01:55:29.760 But it's very hard to do

01:55:30.680 when her husband,

01:55:31.400 Prince Harry,

01:55:32.140 seems like a sympathetic victim

01:55:33.860 of what she seems to be

01:55:35.660 is a narcissist. 0.84

01:55:36.820 She seems to be 0.97

01:55:37.480 so self-absorbed.

01:55:38.700 She thinks she's 1.00

01:55:39.340 holier than thou.

01:55:40.620 She feels like she's

01:55:41.360 the kind of person

01:55:41.960 that sits down

01:55:42.620 and lectures you.

01:55:44.000 That's not someone

01:55:44.800 I would want to spend

01:55:45.680 close to $3,000 to see.

01:55:48.880 So here's the piece about,

01:55:50.880 this is in the Daily Mail,

01:55:52.640 she foisted herself,

01:55:54.260 Isabelle,

01:55:54.860 onto this event.

01:55:56.140 They write,

01:55:56.640 she is understood

01:55:57.260 to have reached out

01:55:58.020 to the organizer,

01:55:58.940 Her Best Life podcast host,

01:56:00.300 Gemma O'Neill,

01:56:01.320 after being put in touch

01:56:02.540 by a mutual friend.

01:56:03.780 The presenter revealed

01:56:04.840 she had initial reservations

01:56:06.500 and almost turned down

01:56:07.960 Meghan's offer,

01:56:09.080 but concluded her podcast audience,

01:56:11.480 quote,

01:56:12.140 deserved it.

01:56:13.540 So I don't like,

01:56:14.760 that doesn't speak well

01:56:15.840 for what she thinks

01:56:16.560 of her audience members.

01:56:18.320 No, not at all.

01:56:18.740 What have they done

01:56:19.380 to Gemma

01:56:20.100 to deserve this?

01:56:21.600 You know,

01:56:23.040 I'm not even remotely surprised

01:56:24.740 that Meghan Markle

01:56:25.840 created this opportunity

01:56:27.340 for herself.

01:56:28.320 She arrived in the UK

01:56:29.380 with the expectation

01:56:30.380 she was going to be welcomed

01:56:31.580 with open arms

01:56:32.400 as a member

01:56:32.840 of the royal family.

01:56:34.100 We all know how that went.

01:56:35.380 They then fled

01:56:36.100 and ran to the United States

01:56:37.700 as their safe haven

01:56:38.760 and refuge,

01:56:39.320 and no one wants

01:56:40.960 to listen to a single word

01:56:42.400 that this woman says.

01:56:43.380 So I imagine

01:56:44.000 a world tour

01:56:44.920 is probably coming

01:56:46.140 in 2026

01:56:47.520 because they're running

01:56:48.480 out of places

01:56:49.200 to try out

01:56:50.060 for new material

01:56:51.240 and new conversations here.

01:56:52.980 But I also think

01:56:53.520 this is a really important

01:56:54.420 larger social commentary

01:56:55.620 about authenticity

01:56:56.740 being such a virtue

01:56:58.240 for young people

01:56:59.400 in particular.

01:57:00.240 Gen Z is so attracted 0.99

01:57:01.500 to real people

01:57:03.060 being completely authentic

01:57:04.620 to themselves.

01:57:05.420 It's why Get Ready With Me

01:57:06.700 TikTok videos

01:57:07.840 as people are putting

01:57:08.580 on their mascara

01:57:09.380 in the morning

01:57:10.080 or podcasters

01:57:11.340 who are wrapped up

01:57:12.020 in a blanket

01:57:12.460 in their basement

01:57:13.260 seem to be resonating

01:57:14.420 so much more poignantly

01:57:15.940 with young people

01:57:17.280 than multi-gazillion

01:57:18.520 dollar TV networks

01:57:19.780 or even former members

01:57:21.020 of the royal family.

01:57:22.180 When there's an element

01:57:23.280 of inauthenticity

01:57:24.640 and this facade there,

01:57:26.260 instantaneously,

01:57:27.260 we can smell it out

01:57:28.040 for what it is,

01:57:28.800 and she is the perfect

01:57:29.740 example of that.

01:57:30.700 And you won't be surprised

01:57:31.540 to see, okay,

01:57:32.180 so we don't know

01:57:32.720 this podcast, of course,

01:57:34.080 but we did take a look

01:57:35.700 at this Her Best Life podcast

01:57:37.420 to see what was it

01:57:38.880 that attracted

01:57:39.480 Meghan Markle to it 0.57

01:57:40.780 such that she asked them

01:57:42.000 if she could headline

01:57:42.680 their event,

01:57:43.280 and they reluctantly agreed.

01:57:44.920 Here's a little clip

01:57:45.600 from August of 2025.

01:57:47.280 So that's 61.

01:57:48.580 I went to the puberty session

01:57:50.360 at the kids' school.

01:57:51.860 Oh, yeah.

01:57:52.460 And she said,

01:57:52.960 and obviously the correct names 0.99

01:57:54.580 are penis and vulva. 0.99

01:57:56.940 Oh. 0.99

01:57:57.540 And I was like,

01:57:58.380 whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

01:57:59.100 And even one of the mums 0.99

01:58:00.600 who I'm friends with next to me, 0.96

01:58:01.560 she goes, vulva.

01:58:02.700 And then the kids were saying,

01:58:04.420 so mum, 0.99

01:58:05.140 is it a vagina 1.00

01:58:06.340 or is it a vulva? 1.00

01:58:07.860 I'm still confused

01:58:09.360 about my own body parts.

01:58:11.160 And I reckon

01:58:11.680 most females are.

01:58:12.980 What would you call

01:58:15.660 if you're in a relationship?

01:58:17.660 Yeah.

01:58:19.360 And you're talking

01:58:20.200 about your privates?

01:58:21.280 Oh, yeah.

01:58:22.320 Oh, I'm not going to say,

01:58:24.000 baby. 0.89

01:58:26.120 My vulva is so wet 0.99

01:58:27.660 for you tonight. 0.99

01:58:28.540 Live in my best life.

01:58:31.560 Classy.

01:58:32.500 Classy, Brianna.

01:58:33.280 I can see exactly

01:58:34.260 why she was attracted to it,

01:58:35.460 you know,

01:58:35.660 because she's all about

01:58:36.460 fighting for women and girls

01:58:37.680 and their vulvas. 0.99

01:58:39.620 Yeah, you know,

01:58:41.960 this is actually

01:58:42.520 a really good example

01:58:43.420 as to why podcasts

01:58:44.920 like Girls Gone Bible 1.00

01:58:46.080 is so popular now

01:58:47.500 because young people

01:58:48.720 in particular,

01:58:49.380 especially young women,

01:58:50.500 we're kind of tired

01:58:51.640 of being told

01:58:52.300 that we have to be,

01:58:53.480 you know,

01:58:53.720 overly sexual 0.81

01:58:54.800 or sexualize ourselves

01:58:56.560 in order to break 0.68

01:58:57.480 the patriarchy.

01:58:58.640 They don't do it

01:58:59.160 in a classy way.

01:58:59.900 They do it

01:59:00.280 in an inappropriate way.

01:59:01.840 And I think

01:59:02.400 as a generation,

01:59:03.220 we've really lost

01:59:04.000 that sense of decorum

01:59:05.000 and young people

01:59:06.020 want that

01:59:06.500 because we want standards,

01:59:07.680 right?

01:59:07.900 Standards holds

01:59:08.580 a society together.

01:59:09.620 If you meet those standards,

01:59:10.800 you're a good functioning

01:59:11.520 member of that society.

01:59:12.880 If you don't meet

01:59:13.460 those standards,

01:59:14.280 you're kind of an outcast,

01:59:15.340 but everybody wants

01:59:16.120 to be part of something.

01:59:17.280 And talking about

01:59:18.100 your body parts

01:59:19.520 in such an open way

01:59:20.600 like that,

01:59:21.300 it doesn't make you cool.

01:59:22.440 It actually is a turnoff

01:59:23.480 for a lot of young people

01:59:24.400 who want to find a podcast

01:59:25.660 that they can relate to.

01:59:26.900 That's not really

01:59:27.520 that relatable.

01:59:28.340 I don't sit around

01:59:28.840 talking about those things

01:59:29.680 to my girlfriends.

01:59:30.800 No, no women talk like this. 1.00

01:59:33.000 This is so ridiculous. 1.00

01:59:34.460 You're right. 0.99

01:59:34.960 It's not cool.

01:59:35.780 It's classless,

01:59:37.020 which is why

01:59:38.260 she was attracted to it

01:59:39.360 because she mistakes

01:59:40.740 classlessness for cool

01:59:43.120 for something that makes

01:59:44.260 her sort of relevant

01:59:45.140 and edgy.

01:59:46.260 And it doesn't, right?

01:59:47.260 She's lost that long ago.

01:59:48.960 And like this woman 0.98

01:59:50.020 is casting around

01:59:51.100 for some sort of an audience

01:59:52.160 that might love her.

01:59:53.420 Remember they took their,

01:59:54.480 they went on a tour,

01:59:56.000 she and Harry,

01:59:56.960 and she reportedly felt great

01:59:58.920 about how she did

01:59:59.820 in Australia.

02:00:01.200 This is, I think,

02:00:02.180 one of the places

02:00:02.540 where she was demanding

02:00:03.220 people like massage her feet 1.00

02:00:05.280 because she was pregnant.

02:00:06.040 And she was like,

02:00:06.720 oh, poor me.

02:00:07.620 I can't believe

02:00:08.020 I'm not getting paid 1.00

02:00:08.680 for this shit. 1.00

02:00:09.700 But she, in her mind, 1.00

02:00:10.980 has like a fan base

02:00:12.040 in Australia.

02:00:12.580 So she reached out to them.

02:00:14.740 She knows there isn't one,

02:00:16.620 God forbid, in the UK.

02:00:18.260 There isn't one

02:00:19.260 in the United States

02:00:20.280 at all

02:00:21.040 where she's a laughing stock. 0.97

02:00:22.480 There's not even one

02:00:23.280 in Canada

02:00:23.780 where they went

02:00:24.680 in their interim stay

02:00:25.780 and where she shot

02:00:27.500 the show Suits

02:00:28.840 because she's turned 0.86

02:00:30.320 everyone off.

02:00:31.940 To know her

02:00:33.160 is to loathe her.

02:00:34.940 So she's starting

02:00:35.620 to go to more

02:00:36.280 and more remote locations

02:00:37.760 where she hasn't been

02:00:38.760 exposed that much

02:00:40.120 to try to find

02:00:41.120 some trickling amount

02:00:42.520 of fans

02:00:43.100 so she can keep

02:00:44.180 her grift going.

02:00:45.240 It's not going to work.

02:00:46.700 Ladies, 1.00

02:00:47.540 what a pleasure.

02:00:48.680 I'm so happy

02:00:49.740 that you gave us

02:00:50.360 this lighter half an hour

02:00:51.620 at the end

02:00:52.100 of a very tough week

02:00:53.240 when it comes to news

02:00:54.200 and its heaviness.

02:00:55.620 I thank you both

02:00:56.720 for being here.

02:00:57.900 Thanks for having us.

02:00:59.660 Yeah, we need

02:01:00.360 a little culture

02:01:01.020 in our lives.

02:01:01.720 That New York

02:01:02.280 magazine The Cut piece

02:01:04.080 was just absolutely absurd.

02:01:06.480 Hopefully,

02:01:07.120 okay, well next week

02:01:08.120 we have week two

02:01:09.260 of spring break

02:01:10.380 and we will be

02:01:11.540 continuing to be

02:01:13.140 on a remote location

02:01:14.480 but I think we have

02:01:16.200 something else

02:01:16.620 in store for you

02:01:17.220 so we will tell you

02:01:18.020 about that on Monday

02:01:18.800 and I hope you have

02:01:20.340 a great weekend

02:01:20.840 and we'll see you then.

02:01:24.740 Thanks for listening

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The Megyn Kelly Show - March 13, 2026

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