First Person： ＂I'm a Detransitioner Who Had a Baby...Here are the Massive Health Challenges I Faced＂ ｜ Ep. 821
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What happens after you ve endured irreversible, medicalized gender transition as a teenager and then you grow up? Today we re bringing you an exclusive first person special featuring Independent Women s Forum Ambassador and detransitioner, Prisha Mosley, and Kelsey Bowler, Director of Telling at the IDF.
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What happens after you've endured irreversible medicalized quote gender transition as a teenager
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Today we are bringing you an exclusive first person special featuring Independent Women's
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Forum ambassador and detransitioner, Prisha Mosley, along with Kelsey Bowler, who's of the
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I was absolutely horrified by what happened to you.
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And I know you're still dealing with the effects of it.
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Let's just go back to when you first had the misfortune of sitting with somebody who,
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rather than doing no harm to you, decided to intervene in your life medically because
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you said at the time you were having some gender confusion.
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How old were you and how did you first sort of start toying with the idea that you might
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So medicalization for me began at 16 in my nutritionist's office where I was seeing the
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nutritionist to be treated for my eating disorder.
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Um, but I had by this time been convinced by activists and, um, trans identifying adults
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on social media, uh, particularly Tumblr that I had an eating disorder and all of my other
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problems because I had been born in the wrong body.
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So, um, the visits to my nutritionist turned into visits where the pediatric endocrinologist
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Um, and I, I remember that my eating plan with my nutritionist had changed and it had
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caused me to start my period again, um, which I wasn't having due to the malnutrition.
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And, um, I shared that I believed I had gender dysphoria from my period.
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Um, like apparently girls were supposed to, um, and I, I shared this information and suddenly
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began, um, being seen by the pediatric endocrinologist who gave me a shot at first to stop my period.
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So you, when you say this started at 15 and that you were seeing the pediatric endocrinologist
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Uh, so yeah, at 15, I discovered, uh, transgender ideology online on Tumblr through the, uh,
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anorexia community actually, where I was spending a lot of time lamenting about my eating disorder
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Um, and, uh, all of this, you know, was coming to light with a nutritionist who, um, I actually
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believed was trying to ruin my life and sabotage me by making me gain weight.
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Um, and then when this dysphoria idea came out, um, I just started seeing the endocrinologist
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in the office where I was seeing the nutritionist.
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Um, and I started the, uh, depo to stop my periods, but to start the testosterone, I had
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Um, and the letter of recommendation is just a letter you get from a certified therapist,
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Um, and they, once you have this letter, it unlocks your access to whatever gender drugs
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So I was recommended to someone who could write me that letter and then turned around
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and returned to my endocrinologist and got testosterone.
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And I, I, I was, um, really failing to do anything, you know, not just drive.
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I mean, driving was way beyond the scope of what I couldn't do.
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I was struggling to do anything other than sleep or leave my room or any of that.
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Um, I was very unwell, but of course my doctor said that all of that was caused by being born
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We just found out that the U S Supreme court is taking up this case, uh, in which these
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types of medical procedures for kids, like the hormones and the, uh, puberty blockers,
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And now the Supreme court is going to weigh in on whether we can have those bands.
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I honestly believe I'll, I'll actually bring Kelsey in on this one.
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I believe Kelsey, the vast majority of adults in America have zero idea what puberty blockers
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into cross sex hormones can actually do to a minor.
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They're like Asa Hutchinson, you know, who was the former governor of Arkansas who ran for
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president for two minutes, who's out there saying, well, yeah, you know, it should be
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between as a Republican, say it should be between the parent and the child, not understanding
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you have a very high likelihood of sterilizing your child, not to mention diminishing or
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ruining their ability to enjoy sexual behaviors and so on.
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Megan, I'm so glad you brought up that side effect that puberty blockers and cross sex hormones
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can actually impact a child's ability to go on as an adult, to have a normal functioning
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What kind of parent would want to rob that their child of that opportunity?
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And then of course you have the fertility concerns, which I know is part of the reason
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She's really one of the first detransitioners who's willing to speak publicly about what happens
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when you unexpectedly do get pregnant after years of cross sex hormones and irreversible
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And that's not to mention all the other side effects.
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Again, I think all the science and research and evidence is becoming very clear at this point.
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But unfortunately, you know, there are powerful institutions that are embedded into our culture
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that are making it very difficult for any of this to be reversed.
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Children are still, as we speak, going on to get these puberty blockers, cross sex hormones
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and surgeries actually with very little, if any gatekeeping.
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Prisha had to get that letter of recommendation, but I've talked to many detransitioners where
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And we really do have to have an honest conversation about these pretty horrific side effects that
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we're only now starting to fully understand as detransitioners like Prisha come to be adults,
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Sadly, we're going to hear more stories like Prisha's.
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The lower court actually upheld the ban as lawful, constitutional, and the Supreme Court is
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taking it for review, which I don't really love that they see a need for it.
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It means that four justices on the court voted for review.
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I'm sure it was the three libs and either Gorsuch, who voted with the libs on title seven
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You can't not hire a person because they're trans or Roberts, but I will see.
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It doesn't mean they're going to they're going to strike it down.
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But right now, four have said we want to review it and that's going to go up next term.
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So Prisha, back to you before we move on to what what happened.
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Is it true that in your very first meeting with this endocrinologist, they mentioned surgery?
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Not with the endocrinologist, with the gender therapist who was providing the letter of
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The endocrinologist didn't necessarily specialize in just transgender treatments, actually also
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specialized in helping people with eating disorders.
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But the gender therapist was just a gender therapist.
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And when I went to obtain the letter of recommendation to receive the testosterone, it was a really
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short, you know, 15 minute appointment with both of my parents.
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And I remember walking in and I saw my letter of recommendation already typed up on the on
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the laptop she had just without my name filled in and come to find out this was actually a
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boilerplate letter that was just stolen from online, ready to be filled in with my name.
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But even in that short amount of time, surgery was brought up.
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I was told to come back for a letter of recommendation for top surgery and even for bottom surgery
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So they're setting you on a path where they're going to stop your female puberty.
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They're potentially going to cut off your breasts, which I know they did and that they refer to
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And it's a double mastectomy, a radical surgery that is not necessary on two healthy breasts
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and potentially even try to remove your clitoris and your vagina and reconstruct something
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that they would tell you would bear some resemblance to a penis.
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Like, I again, I'm so sorry that this happened to you.
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And so I assume your parents were told the same lie that all the parents are told, which
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is it's a it's an alive son or a dead daughter.
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And I was in the room when they said that, of course, which spurred on my delusions.
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You know, I believed this was the reason I wanted to die and had been wanting to for so
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And, you know, my parents were two people who had already been dealing with a suicidal
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So you go through with this medicalization insofar as you did the hormones and you had a
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Like, what what happened to you after all of that?
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Were you was the light bulb starting to go off that this was not the answer to your problems,
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And the good things weren't lasting long enough and were well overridden by the bad things.
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Uh, when I cut off my breasts and I could walk around and not be touched on my breasts
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or looked at there, I thought I was experiencing gender euphoria.
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You know, when I genuinely believed that I was going to transform into a boy and never be
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harassed again or have any problems again, I felt hopeful, you know, but, um,
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it was all a delusion, a farce, a false hope and a lie.
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And that made it so much worse when I realized that because I had been lied to, but, you
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know, I was in pain a lot from the testosterone and I continued to be in pain, but it was worse
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And they, I, I have emails to my endocrinologist and I was telling her, you know, I I'm in pain.
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And she would say, you know, we're inducing male puberty and growing pains hurt.
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And then after like, you know, years and years and years that the pain didn't subside, I was
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like, well, my original puberty wasn't this painful or this last longing or long lasting.
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Um, so I just eventually quit the testosterone because I just couldn't take the pain and I wasn't
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So at this point, how old were you when you started to detransition?
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Um, and, and I, I also want to say, I don't, detransitioning was not when I quit testosterone
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detransition, at least in my opinion, and of, you know, probably any of the public detransitioners
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Um, there are plenty of people who have trans identities who stop medicalization for one
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reason or another, be it, you know, loss of insurance or lack of money or just their health.
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Detransition is a mental reconciliation with your natal sex and the realization that you
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can't do anything to change it, nor do you need to do anything to make it be.
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So that didn't happen until, um, October when I, um, put out that video, not last October,
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but the year before I, uh, I had quit the testosterone and, uh, I did that cold Turkey
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And finally found a dialectical behavioral therapist to treat the borderline personality
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Um, and through some sort of self-awareness that came from a terrible withdrawal and also
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having the type of therapy I needed, the mental act became possible.
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You listened to your body, to your heart, to your soul, to God, and you saved yourself.
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And then you got a miracle, but it, it wasn't easy.
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You are one of the few who did manage to get pregnant, notwithstanding what had been done
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to you, being pumped full of male hormones, being deprived of your female adolescence and
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transition into womanhood, having your breasts chopped off and somehow, well, I mean, we know
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how, but amazingly you, you had a miracle happen to you, I think, and you found yourself
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So talk about that moment when you saw the pregnancy test and, you know, saw what we
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all see, which is like the two lines and you can't believe it even when you haven't gone
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So my doctor had asked me due to a missed period, if I could possibly be pregnant to which,
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you know, I laughed and said it was impossible, but I found myself, you know, feeling paranoid
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So I had, um, one pregnancy test from a long time ago that I had taken because I, I don't
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know, wanted that to be possible, but it wasn't.
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Um, uh, and, you know, I wasn't using any sort of birth control or anything until this
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point, um, to try to prevent it because it just wasn't happening.
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But I started birth control, um, finally to try to, um, heal my hormones because I had
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Um, so then I got two more, um, I got another regular one and then, um, one that would say
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Um, and I sent a picture to my boyfriend and asked him if my eyes were working.
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I was wondering how I could have like three false positives and what like chemical could
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I mean, it seemed realistic than my being pregnant.
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Um, and yet notwithstanding that blessing, you've been through it.
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So talk about how the experience of being pregnant was different for you, given what they did.
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So, I mean, first of all, uh, emotionally and mentally incredibly traumatic, um, in a lot
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of different ways, I feel guilty about it, but I spent the beginning of my pregnancy sort
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I thought that my baby was going to be sick and made out of bad material and harmed.
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And I'm very lucky that my child just happened to be male because this could be worse if he
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Um, he was large and I had to take medicine to try and prevent that.
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Um, and I had to take a lot of, a lot of medicine, um, cause my hormones continue to be imbalanced
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with low estrogen and progesterone and high testosterone.
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Um, but my estrogen and progesterone did start getting higher naturally with the pregnancy
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Um, but this led to, you know, being hyper-embetic and I, I threw up every single day and night
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Um, I actually did not stop throwing up until the second he was out of me.
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Like I was laying on my back and throwing up on the operating table.
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Um, and, uh, there's, there's the size of your hips.
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There's the, the atrophy issues, um, uh, which made it so I had to have a C-section.
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So that means, you know, mentally and emotionally preparing for another surgery, which I, I mean,
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it was shocking to find out all of a sudden I was, you know, nine months away from a major
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Um, and I had no choice because, you know, the atrophy isn't just vaginal.
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Um, so it wasn't just a risk of tearing and I could choose to possibly go through that.
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It's like full blown pelvic atrophy and with the eating disorder and then starting testosterone
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at the age in which I did, my hips aren't fully apart.
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Um, so he just wouldn't fit, um, with his big size and my small size there, it just was
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Um, and then, you know, the, the, the, the, the chest issue, the chest issue is probably
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the chest issue is addressed, uh, in this, in this piece, uh, put out by the IWF, uh, on
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your story and there's a clip that we've pulled, um, Kelsey, I'll ask you about this.
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You put this, this film together where you're talking about now, thank God your son has been
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born and he's healthy, but you're struggling with who you are and what might've been here.
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It is in sought to, I know a lot of women do not breastfeed and that's fine.
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And I, I'm just sad that I don't get to choose that.
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My chest is hard and flat and not soft for him.
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And I know he'll feel me, but my chest isn't soft and pillowy the way it's supposed to be.
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I try not to, but I think a lot about the fact that if I held my baby or if I set my
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chest on fire, it would feel like the same exact thing.
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Boy, before, before I go to you on that, Kelsey, appreciate how has it been now that he he's
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Um, I don't like to just be depressing, but I'm honest.
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Um, I had been going to therapy for months to cope with the fact that I was going to be
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I didn't know that I was also going to be in pain.
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I, uh, shortly after I took him home, um, I, I started to be in pain.
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I started having, uh, this problem with my chest, um, his crying and the smell of the
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donor breast milk that was given to me by kind women who care about the fact that my ability
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Um, I started causing hormonal reactions and what is apparently leftover breast tissue in
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I mean, I need like an ultrasound or something in my chest because I don't know what's going
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Um, I, but I, I, I, I'm numb on the top of my chest and I continue to be unable to feel
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on my skin or him or myself or my boyfriend or anyone.
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Uh, but, uh, there's like chest tissue that is becoming engorged and filling with milk that
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It, when it happens, like you can see it physically, like my chest getting large rocks in it, but
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Like it's little rocks and lumps and they're hot and they're painful and you can physically
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Even my scars on the outside look different in some places where I had rocks under them
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because they stretched and tore, uh, on the first time that it happened.
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I had no idea because no one, no one knew, no one knows, no one knows anything.
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No one knows anything that the, the story just for the listening audience, Kelsey has told,
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uh, you can see it at youtube.com slash independent women's forum, and it's called identity crisis
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But I, I know you and I both know Kelsey that this is not disclosed on the preformed approval
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letters that are waiting on the doctor's computers.
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When young women like pre-show walk in, it's just, Oh, you think you're a man?
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What's any of this, what is going to happen to these children?
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It's not disclosed because doctors don't necessarily know.
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They're not necessarily able to predict that this is going to happen because this is all
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And not only did Precious have to go through this as a young, vulnerable, mentally ill teenager,
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she's now having to go through a second medical experiment of being one of the first
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detransitioners to get pregnant after hormones and surgery, and then have to learn about these
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complications as they come, ask her doctors and hear her doctors bluntly tell her, I don't
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And Precious, as she said, that's not what I want to hear, but at least it's an honest
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answer this time, because as they were prescribing the cross sex hormones, as they were surgically
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removing her breasts, they did act like they knew everything.
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They did act like this was going to cure this magic wand to cure all of Precious problems.
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You know, I think any of us mothers can relate.
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We know exactly what Precious is talking about.
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And because this doctor removed her breasts, not only remove her breasts, but surgically
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removed her nipples and re reattach them to different parts of her body, the milk has
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It's hard enough for any mother who gets things like mastitis.
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Imagine how traumatizing that is for Precious every day of her new motherhood journey right
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It should have never happened and it should never happen to anybody else.
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I'm infuriated by the fact they did this to you, Precious.
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You were a young girl with some psychological challenges who needed therapy.
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You didn't need these gruesome doctors cutting you up.
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I couldn't talk about it, you know, while it was happening because, I don't know, lawsuits
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But I was almost eight months pregnant and I had my lovely and wonderful boyfriend drive
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me all the way from Michigan to North Carolina while I was that pregnant and throwing up in
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And, yeah, I made it and I listened in person as they said what they said about me, things
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I expected and things that, you know, weren't as bad as things I'm told online all the time
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But, you know, things that defended what happened to me and who did it.
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And I listened to my lawyers work very hard on my behalf.
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And I listened to the fact that they were familiar with my case and what happened to me
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And I was able to do it even though it was hard.
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Um, but it worked out and I'm back home with a deliberation that came much quicker than
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We were told to wait like eight to 12 weeks and it came in days.
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So your case goes forward and you're represented by Campbell Miller Payne, which is that Texas
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law firm we've told our viewers about in the past that is dedicated to handling these
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And if there's one thing Americans respond to, it's massive judgments against wrongdoers.
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This medical industrial complex that's taking advantage of our children to line their pockets
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won't stop no matter what the Supreme Court says or does until the lawyers make them stop.
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Um, the lawyers who are actually trying the cases and bringing them, not the ones sitting
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It's stressful for any mom who just has a baby and I, and you have extra challenges
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You can find out more about Prisha's story in IWF's documentary series, Identity Crisis,
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It's available to watch now at youtube.com slash independent women's forum, which by the way,
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could use your help there on an, they're on a tour right now across the country with Riley
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gains and others trying to raise money to fight some of these legal battles.
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So if you want to donate to a good cause independent women's forum, see you guys next time.
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