(Former Father) Jonathan Morris and his wife Kaitlyn, on Faith, Marriage, and Glorifying God ｜ Ep. 42
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Summary
Jonathan and Caitlin Morris talk about how they met, how they became a priest, and why they decided to leave the Catholic Church. They also talk about their love of coffee and how it led them to start a coffee company.
Transcript
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Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.
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Hey, everyone, it's Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and Merry Christmas.
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Today on the program, a perfect couple of guests. We've got Jonathan Morris and Caitlin Morris.
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Jonathan Morris is better known to a lot of the folks who listen to this show as Father Jonathan, now formerly Father Jonathan Morris.
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He's a Fox News contributor. That's where I first met him.
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And in May of 2019, he announced he was leaving the priesthood.
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And shortly thereafter, it did not overlap or did it? We'll ask. No, it didn't.
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He met Caitlin and we'll take it from there when you meet them in a minute.
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And now, my now former priest but current friend, Jonathan Morris and his wife, Caitlin.
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So, Caitlin, stand by because I got to get your story on record, Jonathan.
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So Janice Dean and I decided we're going to call you FFJ because you used to be FJ.
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So FFJ is my – that's going to be my interim term for you and I'll try to grow into Jonathan.
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You can call me whatever you like and that's part of our history.
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That's part of my history and I'm so glad that this history is connected with yours over so many years.
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Oh, you have been such a beautiful friend to me and counselor and just amazing presence in my life.
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So I'm thrilled to have you and to be talking about your joy.
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So you grew up in Ann Arbor, Michigan, and I love the story of how you first became a priest.
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I remember sitting in a little restaurant with you and Doug years ago.
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It must have been 13 years ago or so, 12 years ago.
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And you were telling me this story and I couldn't believe how it happened.
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So before we get to this moment, did you grow up very religious?
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I would say my parents tried to raise me very religious.
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But at the same time, I kind of instinctively rejected that during my – especially during my high school years.
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And so, like, do you have brothers and sisters?
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Mostly grew up in Ann Arbor, Michigan, and then also in Akron and Cleveland, Ohio.
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So maybe typical Catholic, large Catholic family of years past that would maybe at least encourage or be open to one of the children becoming a priest or a nun.
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But certainly that was not encouraged and I had no idea or any interest in that growing up, at least halfway through college.
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You know, it's funny because my mom and dad – my mom is very Catholic and my dad was very Catholic and even my stepdad is very Catholic.
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But my mom, too, tried to do the Catholic thing when she first married my dad.
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And then as she puts it, she had two babies in two years and she said, forget that.
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But there's so many big Catholic families in part for that reason.
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Well, and thank God that, you know, five years later you came along.
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As I like to remind my brother and sister, I was the only one they really wanted.
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So you grew up a Catholic family and, you know, maybe there's some – did you know there might be some hope that you would enter the priesthood one day?
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The only first memory, Megan, that I have of being somehow attracted to the priesthood or like kind of a noble calling was – I remember my parents had a priest friend who was like this traveling missionary come and celebrate mass at our house.
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But anyway, he came and was like in the living room.
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I don't know if he was asking for money or if he would – like I have no idea what – but he left in the closet his chalice and the wafers, what we would call unconsecrated hosts, right?
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And I remember, first of all, being fascinated by him as a person that he was – he would talk about his missionary work and traveling.
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I don't know if it was the travel that was interesting to me or I think it was more than that.
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It was the travel in order to do something great in his life.
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And he was pitching that to us and telling us about it.
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But then some like very late night, I snuck down into that closet and I saw the chalice and I saw those wafers and I had – this is a confession, Megan.
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Well, I can't say if you've been to confession to me or not.
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I went up into that closet and I took some of the wafers down and I ate them.
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So to answer your question, I had very little interest in priesthood or in anything like that until halfway through college and I can tell you about that later.
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So it reminds me of the Saturday Night Fever line.
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My girlfriend, she loves to taste the communion wafers, Father.
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What was your major in college when you first got there?
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I studied business, business administration, marketing.
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Well, I ended up rooming with a friend of mine who was from Los Angeles and he said he told me that he was thinking about being a priest.
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Now, this was a Catholic college and so there was a kind of an underlining Catholic culture to it.
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But we were part of kind of like the bad boys fraternity.
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You know, we used to say, yeah, we'll go to confession if anybody drinks more than X number of beers.
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And X number was like, wait, it should have been XX, right?
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So we were not really on the path towards religious, certainly religious conversion or even real attachment.
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But my roommate said that he had this profoundly religious spiritual experience in high school.
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He turned away from some of his bad ways and he was thinking about being a priest.
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But then every – so he was a year ahead of me in college.
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Every freshman class that came in of girls, he would start dating them.
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And he would forget the idea of celibate priesthood very quickly.
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Like I thought you were thinking about this and all I could think of – and I don't know if this was God or if this was my upbringing.
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But I said to him, Rick, there will be consequences whether you choose to go the route of priesthood and missionary or not.
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And so the two of us went to a seminary to visit seminaries where guys were thinking about being a priest go and study.
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But in those seven days, I visited him and one thing led to another.
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So when you said, I'm going to do it and he said, I'm not.
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Um, well, I don't know if you might have been thinking about my girlfriend, to be honest, because he laughed.
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If they had waited just a couple of years, you could have officiated it.
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What a fun story they have, too, for how they how they first got together.
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So at that point in your life, when you decided, I'm going to do this, how old were you?
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So I was 20, 21 when I first left for the seminary.
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And so at that point, you mentioned you had Tasha.
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I meant you had experienced a girlfriend in your world.
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So was it hard to like step away from, you know, I mean, whatever had happened there?
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I think it would be hard to sort of say, I don't want that anymore, because, of course, the Catholic priesthood requires you to reject that.
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And I ended up joining, this is probably a good topic for a whole nother podcast, but I ended up joining a religious order that was, I would call it a cult.
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Founded by a super, super charismatic guy who ended up becoming very friendly with Pope John Paul II, ended up from this little teensy tiny town in Mexico.
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He ended up founding and then growing this religious order that swept the world, bringing together some of the most, I think, talented young men.
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The fastest growing order in the Catholic church, it was called the Legionaries of Christ.
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One thing, you know, fast forward 15 years, 20 years, really, I had been in this the whole time.
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It was discovered that this man was a total fraud, that he had multiple families around the world, that he had abused seminarians, that he had children, that he had abused his own children.
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I remember one time with my roommate in college, they're talking to one of these recruiters, and they looked at me, they were supposedly recruiting him, but they looked at me and they said,
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Jonathan, you were created by God from all eternity to be a member of the Legionaries of Christ.
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That's fine, because it was a reinforcement over and over of, you're in the right place, you're doing the right thing, this is your highest and best calling.
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So, wait, when you say you were with them, you were with them for 20 years, or just 20 years later, he was exposed?
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And then when he was exposed, I quickly asked for a, basically to be dismissed from that order, to be let go, and I joined the Archdiocese of New York under the great welcome and leadership of Timothy Dolan, Cardinal Dolan of New York.
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Where were you when you were with the Legionaries?
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So I lived in Rome for nine years, Rome, Italy.
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That's when I first started working for the Fox News Channel, CNN first, and then the Fox News Channel as a commentator.
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And then I was there for, gosh, I guess another five years.
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And then I transferred out of that order when everything was falling apart.
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And a lot of great people involved with it, but the order is rotten from within, in my opinion.
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So you're, you're over there in Rome and you, this is when we first met when you were covering the death of Pope John Paul II, right?
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And then I came back to New York and I've been in New York for 10 years.
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And is it true you were actually with the Pope when he died?
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I was with him personally, I think the last time on Easter Sunday, Easter Sunday of, you know, in that same year that he died.
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So, um, I, I walked up and I was delivering this gift to him and they brought me in and sat me down at his, um, Easter, uh, lunch table.
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I mean, is that even just like, as a lowly Catholic, um, I can't imagine what it would feel like to be next to him in particular, Pope John Paul II.
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I mean, as a priest, did you feel, was it electric?
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At the same time, Megan, it's interesting looking back on it because he was one who was, who was complicit, I don't think intentionally, but I think he was complicit, um, in allowing this really monster of a guy, Father Maciel, to, um, dupe him and all of us.
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So here was a very, I think a very holy saintly man who's actually been made a saint in the Catholic church.
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He's been canonized, but he, I think allowed himself to be duped and there was not good management.
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I can tell you that, um, too, you know, so it's really, I have mixed feelings.
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I certainly, I felt electrified being with him at the same time.
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I hope I'm not too cynical right now, but I say, ah, I wish he would have done something differently.
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I mean, a lot of folks, Catholic and non are looking at the Catholic church, feeling that on a number of levels.
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Getting back to you and you're getting hired at Fox news.
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You were, so our, for our audience who doesn't know you, um, FFJ is a very good looking man.
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He is a very good looking, he's the best looking priest.
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What a waste, you know, and you know why, um, you were like an instant celebrity.
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Because you were this priest who could really explain what we were watching and we would
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always cover, um, you know, the, the Pope's deaths or the, the new Pope who was coming
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in and you could just explain it in terms that people would understand.
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You were always incredibly affable, very good communicator.
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And this is why not only did CNN hire you, Fox news hired you, you became a wall street
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You got a serious XM radio show on the Catholic channel.
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You were featured in the movie, the Irishman for like a while.
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And you became what I think is the closest thing I've seen to a celebrity priest.
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So I wonder if you ever got a hard time for that from your other priests.
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Um, but I, you know, I think she will say, yes, they were fricking jealous.
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Um, at the same time, I received a lot of love.
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I just think that sometimes it's hard for people when they see lots of good things happening
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It's like, so, um, I think for John, there's a lot of great things that had happened to him.
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Even, you know, this was before we met and maybe some people saw that as competition,
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Cause even when you go into the priesthood, you're still a human being and have all the
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same positive and negative attributes of being a human being as anybody else.
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There were so many people who supported me, including Cardinal Timothy Dolan, whom you
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know, and who, um, encouraged me to continue up doing the media.
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Um, and I hope I did it with an honest desire to just communicate what I believed.
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And I still believe about, about God and about purpose in life and about, um, all of those
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And after my acrimonious departure from NBC, he wrote me the nicest handwritten letter.
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And I mean, as a Catholic, when you get a note like that from Cardinal Dillon, it's
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like, oh my God, except there was no return address on there.
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I was like, I really struggled to figure out how to thank him.
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You know, you can't just say like, Cardinal Dillon, St. Pat's.
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And Jonathan, I want the audience to know, you too, not only did you baptize all three
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of my kids and Janice Dean's kids, but there was a very tumultuous time in my life when I
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was in Cleveland, Ohio for the Republican National Convention when Trump got the nomination.
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And it was the same day that somebody leaked my name to the Drudge Report as cooperating with
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Previously, I just hadn't said anything publicly and people knew there was pressure on me to
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They wanted me to say something in his defense, but I wouldn't.
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But people didn't know that I was actually somebody who was coming forward against him
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And I was hauled up in my hotel room, not talking to anyone.
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I felt like a caged animal in there because now I had no allies.
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I mean, Fox was very divided at the time over this.
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And, you know, Janice knew my story, but nobody else knew the story.
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You weren't looking for anything other than to be supportive.
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It was the only thing that made me feel better.
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Megan, let me do a little revisionist history here, but I think it's actually true.
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So we were texting and we didn't share anything about what you were going.
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I knew what you were going through and et cetera.
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And I just wanted to know that I was there for you as a friend and as a priest.
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And you said, the only place I can't even get out of my room.
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So here, Megyn Kelly is now big time in the news in a story that has to do with sex.
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And here, a priest is going up to her bedroom in a hotel.
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I'm going, okay, you want me to meet you there?
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Do I like, it's, I think this is August, right?
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Um, so I'm like, how do I go up, like, and wrap my, like, cover up my collar so that nobody
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knows that it's a priest going up to your hotel room.
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And I think, like, no, that, that might be worse.
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So they might like recognize me and I'm like hiding.
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And so like some, some, something's going to be like released in which a video of me going
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So I just decided to go up, um, just, you know, making a, a, a pastoral visit and all
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went well, but, um, you were a trooper there, Megan.
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And I think you tried to live, um, honestly and truthfully, and it all worked out.
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I mean, I've said before, and it's true that I think the same ethical compass that led
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me to make the decisions I made there and throughout the rest of my life were in large
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I mean, I'm not a particularly religious person.
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I, I, I'm not very good about going to church on Sundays, but the imprint that was made on
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me from going every Sunday and going through all of the sacraments, you know, that I have
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just religious education with my mom, you know, that my mom put me in, um, it mattered.
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And so even if you don't wind up, you know, particularly observant, I do think it's a
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worthwhile exercise because that ethical imprint winds up mattering in life.
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This is like, I'm just, cause this is like hard.
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And I don't, I think there's different ways and I'm trying to figure this out myself.
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It's much easier for me to go to mass on Sunday, every Sunday as a priest.
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Now I have to make a decision to do it when nobody is expecting me to show up.
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Oh, and like sitting through boring homilies and like bad music.
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You're like, pick it up for the love of, right?
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Especially my wonderful wife who we'll talk to in a minute is grew up evangelical and like
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they have great music and they have great preaching.
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And so I'm trying to explain to her, Caitlin, I love, I mean, what I, I'm going here, not
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because of that, but because of the sacraments and because I, you know, I believe God is
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And she's like, but the music is really bad and this guy can't talk.
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Caitlin, is there any chance you're going to convert him to evangelical?
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Well, he did go with me to my mom's church and evangelical church in Pennsylvania, um, that
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has like a rock band and there's, you know, PowerPoint presentation and there's props and
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everything and, and you get coffee when, before you walk in for service and you mingle and
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He's so confused, but he was trying so hard to sing along.
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And it was, it was, yeah, it made my mom very happy.
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He got major points there with my mom that Sunday because he went to church.
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So, so back to, back to you and your, and your struggle.
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So you get to some point in the, in your time as a priest where it, I mean, you, it must
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have occurred to you like the bird saying, Hmm, I'm not sure this is for me.
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How long into your tenure as a priest was that?
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I would say almost right from the beginning, Megan, um, as sad as that sounds.
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Um, keep in mind that I did join that religious order that turned out to be a cult.
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It was super strict, super rigid, uh, very kind of top down control, uh, very little personal
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And so at some level, even though I was very young and very idealistic and, um, noble and
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not, so I wanted to do like hard things, difficult things, including celibacy and be a part of like
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this most strict order, something I knew something wasn't right, but I had gone in so deeply,
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I think culturally, socially, and then I became a more, more and more public figure.
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Um, they made me a superior, as they call it in the religious order.
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And then I started working, um, I worked with Mel Gibson and Jim Caviezel and the film of
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And so I felt, and this is, I think this is a human experience, not just mine.
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Um, I don't want to let the people's expectations of me down, um, especially because I saw that
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I was doing some good and this is, this is the conflict, right?
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I'm doing some good and yet it's doesn't feel right for me.
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When, whenever you're going to leave a profession that you've been attached to for a long time,
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I think it's hard because your identity gets wrapped up in said profession, even if it's
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not something where you're doing a ton of good, um, like lawyering, but so that that's
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But with you, it is an extra layer because people have this special relationship with
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their priest or their minister or their rabbi, you're up on a pedestal, you know, they look
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up to you, they, they rely on you for life advice and religious guidance.
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And I think the pressure must've been especially immense on you not to leave that post.
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And in essence, put yourself first, you know, which is what most people do their whole lives,
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And I think there was some, oh, you said it exactly right, Megan, no doubt.
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And some of it I think, um, is just really wrong.
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And the church needs to go through major convergent transformation from it.
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Some of it was my own fault for allowing myself to actually believe that that was true.
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Um, and I think I'm special because I'm, I'm a individual created by God out of love, but
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not because I had a certain position, um, or even that I was ordained.
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Um, I was different, but not special, so to speak, but I found that, um, and maybe we can
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talk about this later, um, in my new work that I'm doing now professionally as an executive
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coach and working in leadership development, um, a, a kind of a solution to that, um, of
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Of wanting to do good, but at the same time, recognizing that I have to take care of myself.
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And I believe deeply that if I'm flourishing as a human being, I am glorifying God.
00:31:40.040
If I'm flourishing as a human being, I am glorifying God.
00:31:44.700
Well, I mean, I think most of us on the outside feel that.
00:31:50.320
And I just think there's so much pressure on someone like you who makes a noble choice
00:31:54.280
to serve God in a special way to just always do it in that way.
00:31:58.620
So I'm, I'm happy for you as I was, when you told me you were leaving.
00:32:02.100
Um, that you recognize you needed something else and were, were brave enough to act on
00:32:07.420
I'm sure not everyone in, in the priesthood felt the same.
00:32:21.780
Um, some people wrote articles about me as if I was like, and trust me, I know that you've
00:32:32.640
Um, people wrote articles about me as if I, as if they never knew me or as if I were not
00:32:40.260
Like you were some sort of object in the room that had no feelings and no sentiments
00:32:45.920
and, um, never even tried to reach out to me to understand or anything.
00:32:52.280
Um, but that's part of the price you paid, uh, for being in the public.
00:32:58.380
I always, it took me years to realize this, but I did come to the point of realizing there
00:33:03.440
is, um, in my case, there's Megan Kelly, the me, and then there's Megan Kelly, the brand,
00:33:10.720
which is totally fair game for criticism, you know, and I, and whenever I read stuff
00:33:16.600
about myself, I don't like, I have to remind myself that's the brand that I've put out
00:33:20.660
Not, not everyone knows or cares to know my heart and who I really am.
00:33:27.600
You just got to remember that that's FJ, the brand that they don't, they don't really
00:33:37.660
So did you have to tell, did you have to tell Cardinal Dolan, you know, I mean, I know
00:33:41.380
he gave you like a little time to think about it, but did you have to walk in there one day
00:33:53.160
It was probably two o'clock in the morning when I sent him the email, um, because I wanted
00:33:58.440
to put it all on paper before I talked to him because I didn't want to be convinced
00:34:04.860
Um, and so I put it all down, I spent time thinking about it, um, but it was two in the
00:34:10.100
morning and then I took that same email that I sent to him, um, and I forwarded to all of
00:34:18.980
my siblings, not to my mom and dad, so I didn't want to put them in their grave, but I sent
00:34:25.560
it to all of my siblings and said, um, this is what I'm going to do.
00:34:31.000
Um, and I basically asked for a sabbatical and I told him my whole story.
00:34:40.320
Um, and it was a shock to him because I was very close to him and he had given me a lot
00:34:46.240
I was running two parishes in the Bronx at the time I was overseeing as co-chairman of, um,
00:34:54.200
Um, I was doing a lot and, um, it was, it was hard, but he was so good to me.
00:35:02.740
He said, Jonathan, I think I have a person who could fill in for you.
00:35:07.180
Don't wait until next month or two months from now to take a sabbatical, um, leave this
00:35:17.940
He was, but I got to the point that I was okay with people being disappointed, but, but
00:35:31.360
Yeah, but it's still other people's expectations.
00:35:39.180
And they can, they can have different, like my mom's expectations are higher than your expectations
00:35:46.640
I could deal with Megan Kelly's expectations of me, even though that's, that wasn't hard
00:35:54.380
And you were like, I don't want to know if that's still legitimate.
00:35:57.240
I do just want to make perfectly sure we're still good.
00:36:02.400
So, and I think, so I had to deal with all of that.
00:36:06.280
And the, the priests who I were, I was living with and like, like leading the two parishes,
00:36:12.300
the, everyone on Fox news, the management at Fox, the, um, all the people who, you know,
00:36:20.300
listen to, or read my books, all of, and then Cardinal Dolan.
00:36:25.780
But I'm not saying, I'm just saying everybody has that in their life.
00:36:31.380
Your expectations of your spouse, the expectations of your children, um, expectations of your
00:36:49.360
Because in the end, parents, you think about your kids, Megan, right?
00:36:54.020
No matter what they tell you, like they're your kids, right?
00:36:58.820
Cardinal Dolan, you know, was my boss and a friend, but a boss.
00:37:05.640
I mean, he had really taken you in, uh, and promoted you and believed in you.
00:37:10.180
So it's, it's even tougher there, but you know, what everybody wants to know is, cause
00:37:15.160
I know you've said publicly, I, this is how you put it in your letter that you released
00:37:21.340
I've struggled for years with my vocation and with the commitments that the Catholic
00:37:25.320
priesthood demands, especially not being able to marry and have a family in response
00:37:30.760
to which everyone said, even though you said my decision's not about an existing relationship,
00:37:34.920
but everybody was like, he's got a girlfriend or a boyfriend.
00:37:41.320
Um, but that's what everybody thought that you had started a relationship.
00:37:51.120
What I wrote, I did not have a relationship, um, that I was pursuing in any way, or that
00:38:06.320
No, I mentioned, um, very publicly too, you know, and I told this Cardinal Dolan and I'd
00:38:12.920
mentioned this, um, with, um, Megan, um, sorry, Martha McCollum show, you know, I said, um,
00:38:20.320
part of the manipulation by the religious order that I, um, was a part of is at, at one point,
00:38:28.240
even before I was ordained, I did have, um, as you say, a parlance or a relationship with
00:38:35.740
And, um, and I went and I said, I do not want to be ordained a priest.
00:38:42.500
Um, and they, instead of saying, okay, they were like, um, no, that's okay.
00:38:50.820
And, and they promoted me two years ahead and they made me a superior of the order.
00:38:55.380
Um, it just shows the manipulation that was there.
00:39:03.160
I think publicly I didn't, I didn't do like this general confession in which I, um, which
00:39:08.000
I don't think is helpful or necessary by, by anyone.
00:39:10.980
No, but that was, that was 20 years earlier and you weren't officially ordained.
00:39:15.560
I was thinking like when you were getting ready to jump off the diving board and say, okay,
00:39:21.280
There wasn't like, I just feel like there would be like, maybe I'll just try it first
00:39:26.920
before I take this big leap that didn't happen.
00:39:29.460
Yeah, no, Caitlin, Caitlin will be, will be brought in soon.
00:39:33.940
But, um, we had, we had no, you know, when I left and I asked for the sabbatical, I was
00:39:40.200
a hundred percent totally free, um, to still consider coming back.
00:39:45.220
And Cardinal Dolan was encouraging me to come back.
00:39:48.360
Um, and he just basically said, take it slowly, take it slowly.
00:39:54.160
But as soon as I left, I basically knew deep down, this is something that is, if Pope Francis
00:40:00.080
gives me a dispensation, um, I'm going to take it.
00:40:04.360
I took four months, um, and it went back, lived with my parents.
00:40:08.820
Imagine at the age of 46 years old, going back and living with your parents and not knowing
00:40:13.680
what you're going to do for a job, for anything.
00:40:18.700
I mean, that you weren't going to have any moves with the ladies, right?
00:40:21.120
Did you have to, did you worry about that at all?
00:40:26.120
Oh no, I didn't know about that in the sense that I listened.
00:40:39.820
I, I was, I recognized that this was a serious thing that I, I also saw so many marriages
00:40:48.540
I knew it wasn't like I was leaving the priesthood for some fairy tale.
00:40:54.760
I knew that dating was, um, especially at my age, what am I going to do there?
00:40:58.660
Um, date somebody who is, um, divorced and remarried or somebody who's 22 or somebody
00:41:06.540
who's 58 and who's never been married or Caitlin, who was perfect.
00:41:12.020
Um, and I didn't know if I would find that person, but I did.
00:41:18.660
I mean, Jonathan and Caitlin in just one second.
00:41:21.320
And this is the segment of the interview where I'm going to ask them all the inappropriate,
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00:43:13.860
Well, listen, it being Christmas, I wanted to tell you about two Christmas movies that
00:43:19.480
And in case you haven't seen them, one of them, you have one of them, you might not, you
00:43:25.420
Cause we've got today to just loaf around and watch movies and maybe a little football,
00:43:32.260
And you've seen that, but you may not have seen it the way we, we watch it.
00:43:35.760
My family and I treat this movie as the Rocky who are a picture show and we, we all get
00:43:47.000
We get bread and we get ready and we sit in front of it.
00:43:50.440
And whenever a Clarence comes on, we ring our bells.
00:43:54.800
Um, whenever George does, he, or his friend, Sam, right?
00:43:58.420
Uh, Sam, whatever his name is, does his, he, we do it.
00:44:05.500
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00:44:12.980
It's just like a, it's like a fun way of enjoying a classic movie and getting your kids into
00:44:22.240
Although on the young ones, it's a little long and you know, this will make them love
00:44:26.760
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00:44:30.940
So Christmas in Connecticut is a 1947, I think Barbara Stanwyck film where Barbara Stanwyck
00:44:36.400
was young and it's black and white and it's one of her lesser known films, but it's this
00:44:41.900
classic holiday film that will make you feel like you've done a little time travel.
00:44:46.680
They've got the horse drawn carriages in the snowy meadow and the way she dresses is so
00:44:53.980
beautiful and elegant and the farm that she's allegedly at, uh, in Connecticut over the
00:45:03.200
And you could watch the whole thing with a sound down, frankly, because it's really just
00:45:06.520
the visuals of the movie that, I don't know, just make you feel incredibly good, especially
00:45:20.300
That's the perfect, uh, point at which to bring in your now beautiful wife, Caitlin's,
00:45:29.620
Just so the audience knows you're from Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.
00:45:32.560
You went to NYU, majored in journalism and were at the time you met FFJ and, um, and now, uh,
00:45:42.300
are a successful producer and booker at good morning America.
00:45:48.280
So when I met John, I, I worked at good morning America.
00:45:51.860
And, um, when we were, when, um, Pope Benedict resigned and they flew like 20, 30 people over
00:46:02.100
And so we were all in Rome for weeks covering the conclave.
00:46:13.520
Now, what were, do you remember having any sort of reaction to him when you met him first?
00:46:16.840
No, I just think like, you know, he was, there was, I've never seen so many priests in my
00:46:24.280
Everyone was a priest and growing up evangelical.
00:46:26.780
I just, you don't like go out and drink wine with your pastor.
00:46:30.640
So it was just like a whole different, different kind of world over there.
00:46:33.580
But, um, I, um, met him when I was trying to book all the Cardinals on all the morning
00:46:40.080
So that was like the competition and everybody wanted Cardinal Dolan on.
00:46:43.360
And so I would, that was one of the people I would go to.
00:46:46.840
I was saying, can we please have an interview with him tomorrow morning, um, with George
00:46:52.520
So that's how, um, I first was introduced to then father Jonathan.
00:46:57.160
Is it funny for you now, looking back at those moments where you were soliciting him as a
00:47:01.320
booker to think, you know, if, if you, if somebody could have tapped you on the shoulder
00:47:05.040
and told you, you're going to wind up married to him.
00:47:10.740
Megan, this whole life I'm living is just, it's, it is almost too good to be true.
00:47:15.320
I say that to John all the time, but I, um, I feel so blessed.
00:47:21.400
Um, I know there's a lot of heartache right now with what's happening in 2020 and the pandemic,
00:47:25.560
but we have managed to find such joy and happiness, um, in our family.
00:47:30.300
And it's, it's, and it's so much is rooted in him and what he's brought into my life.
00:47:37.400
No, I, someone had told me that seven years ago, I would have laughed.
00:47:41.320
I'm feeling it just listening to you because what I'm picturing is the, the couple I saw
00:47:48.460
So I can feel it even, even though we can't see each other.
00:47:55.360
You know, you asked me that at the reception and I was like, I haven't seen that, but I've
00:48:02.020
And so we've watched that together, but I haven't seen the thorn birds.
00:48:07.500
I mean, I, you, you, now listen, he, he never left the priesthood.
00:48:10.980
I'm sorry, spoiler, but, um, you, you're like his, the Meggie to his father, Ralph.
00:48:17.340
Every woman in America, when they watch thorn birds was totally rooting for him to leave
00:48:28.260
So the next time you saw him was when after 2013?
00:48:38.460
This was after he had made the announcement, he left and he did his interview on Fox and
00:48:43.340
then I heard from him and he asked me out to lunch.
00:48:47.160
And so just like out of the blue, you heard from him out of the blue, like you saw him
00:48:51.180
Well, so I had, so when he made his announcement in May, um, he had at the bottom of it, you
00:48:57.820
know, for members of the media, you can reach me at this email address.
00:49:01.280
I won't be responding, but you know, this is, he was trying to traffic it ahead of time.
00:49:05.600
And so I, because I'm a booker at heart, let's be honest.
00:49:10.420
Dear father, Jonathan, do you remember, probably don't remember me, but, um, I met you in Rome
00:49:15.040
and I just wanted to say congratulations on your next steps and we're all cheering for
00:49:23.660
Was that like genuinely wishing him goodwill or was that like, well, he's free now?
00:49:28.600
I mean, I, and listen, I spent my, all my life single.
00:49:31.260
I was going to probably be destined to be a news nun basically, uh, you know, working
00:49:35.520
and I know I knew you would get that, that reference.
00:49:40.680
But I was like, I was just jumping on planes and traveling and that was my life and that
00:49:46.680
And so, yeah, when I sent that, I mean, I'm not going to lie and say, okay, I was just
00:49:50.940
doing it to try to book him on the view or something.
00:49:53.120
No, I was just genuinely interested too in hearing what his next steps were.
00:49:56.660
Cause when I read that too, I thought, oh, that's interesting.
00:50:01.780
And it turns out he really did just want something new and then he followed it and he had the guts
00:50:07.100
And so, um, it was exciting that I got to meet him and have lunch.
00:50:11.000
So, so, so how did he, how did, did he respond to that email or what did he do?
00:50:23.440
So it's really, so, so, but, so, but I was in, um, he found me on Twitter.
00:50:31.340
So I guess like maybe a week after I sent that email, I get a direct message, a DM in my,
00:50:37.680
in my inbox, he slid into my DMs and his line was, he was like, Hey, um, Jonathan Moore
00:50:50.220
And so I think I have it memorized because I've shared it with my girlfriend so many
00:50:57.140
Um, so anyhow, we, um, I learned to let my wife speak.
00:51:09.400
Did he say anything like, um, I'm, you know, I I've got the blessing of Cardinal Dole.
00:51:13.180
Like, did he say anything like, we're going to be good with the big guy up above?
00:51:25.080
And so my initial response is, okay, I sent you an email and you didn't read it.
00:51:36.980
And then that's what started the whole, Oh, let's grab lunch.
00:51:52.080
And honestly, in two days, I think I received over 25,000 emails from the craziest people.
00:51:59.000
And then there were normal people like Caitlin, um, who sent me emails, most of whom were just
00:52:04.680
um, reacting in a very, very gracious way about my decision, but no, I did not see that
00:52:17.740
Those of us in the real world know what you were asking for.
00:52:25.320
Are you telling me without having seen her email, you just spontaneously reached out to
00:52:31.220
it's, I mean, you know, somebody might call that divine intervention.
00:52:40.320
I could have been married with 10 kids living in Connecticut with a picket fence.
00:52:44.540
He hasn't, I haven't seen him in seven years or six years since then.
00:52:47.680
So, I mean, but I guess he kind of assumed I wasn't.
00:52:52.760
So every single friend must have been like, holy, right?
00:52:57.380
Like, I can't, I do swear, but I can't do it in front of a friend.
00:53:15.820
So a great looking, never before married, 46 year old, ethical, moral, upstanding member
00:53:22.000
Who's got, you know, outside of being a priest, great jobs, basically emails.
00:53:28.120
I mean, this is every unmarried 36 year old woman's dream.
00:53:39.220
My mom used to, he was like a couple of years before, you know, I met John.
00:53:42.580
She was like, I really think you're, you have this idea of a fairy tale.
00:53:48.580
Well, she's now come full circle and said, I'm glad you never stopped believing because
00:53:51.980
they really do come true in the form of Jonathan.
00:54:04.080
After the lunch, I did not hear from him for about four weeks or three weeks.
00:54:12.080
So I thought, Oh, he's just, he really isn't interested.
00:54:14.220
He probably is, you know, and he shouldn't, he should go.
00:54:18.120
You know, he's, he's got, he's been in the pre-strip for so long, like go out.
00:54:26.760
But, um, yeah, I did not hear from him for many weeks.
00:54:29.740
So were you thinking, okay, Cardinal Dolan won?
00:54:32.660
Like, or are you thinking, what were you thinking?
00:54:35.280
No, cause he had already done his interview and he was going for it.
00:54:42.260
And thank you, you know, this is where your girlfriend step in and they say, do not write
00:54:45.560
to him, like if a guy like, it's like that movie, you know, but it's like, if a guy wants
00:54:56.360
And then the next time I got a text from him, um, it was, I was like, I was with Jeffrey
00:55:02.160
Epstein's victims in federal court downtown being chased by the paparazzi and all the crazy
00:55:07.360
And I get this text message from a new phone number and it's, Hey, John, John Morris here.
00:55:15.560
Just wanted to check in or something like that.
00:55:17.520
And so that was how we kind of reconnected after that.
00:55:20.500
But I will say after he did reach out to me, then there hadn't been, there was never a
00:55:26.800
You know, when we were dating, he would always take the time to text or to call or FaceTime
00:55:32.200
So it's like he, I can totally forgive him from those, those weeks.
00:55:41.760
Did you date anyone other than Caitlin in your, you know, time off?
00:55:51.600
I think Caitlin, you know, I've talked to Caitlin about, and she encouraged me actually.
00:55:58.600
Although one time she encouraged me and then I actually took her up on it.
00:56:01.520
This is like right before we started going out seriously.
00:56:03.660
And then she's like, oh, you are not actually supposed to do that.
00:56:12.540
It's hard because no woman really wants a guy she's interested in to be, you know, dating
00:56:23.820
She was honestly saying, listen, um, you, I recognize, you know, that this is a big change
00:56:29.780
in your life and, um, this is all very fast and she did encourage me to date other people
00:56:37.320
So you, this is, so I know you had your first dinner on July 21st.
00:56:41.580
I did actually read the New York times profile on you.
00:56:43.780
I'm, I'm feigning ignorance on some of these things.
00:56:45.720
Um, but the New York times told me, this is how it was phrased.
00:56:50.280
And I quote in October, they turned a serious corner and it was Mr. Morris who suggested they
00:57:05.300
Uh, Megan, again, I might not be able to, I can still hear your confession.
00:57:10.700
I just can't do anything about it, but you definitely can't do anything about my confession.
00:57:24.900
I know you said you had the girlfriend when you, before you got ordained, there was a,
00:57:28.760
So like, I'm going to assume you went into the relationship.
00:57:32.720
I mean, were you, were you a 46 year old version or not?
00:57:48.180
I mean, it's like, I, I want to know what it was like for Caitlin too, because I think I'd
00:57:52.960
be a little scared, like there'd be a lot of pressure on me to like, I don't know, rock
00:57:59.760
Not, not like the specific, but like, what emotions?
00:58:04.320
I mean, John's dying right now because he calls me no filter, Kate.
00:58:09.340
And he's like, oh, you know, because I just say what's on my mind.
00:58:12.480
And so this is like his worst nightmare, but I will be good, babe.
00:58:15.820
Caitlin, did you know that I know, I know Megan Kelly's husband.
00:58:29.860
So it, it went well, obviously some test was passed because then you got married.
00:58:42.060
I, he, um, he told me that we're going to be out in San Diego.
00:58:46.760
This is like in June, it was right after my birthday.
00:58:49.300
So it was like our one year anniversary of our first date.
00:58:51.280
And he took me, he said, we're going to some dinner and I was all dressed up and I had done,
00:58:57.680
So I looked decent, which was a good thing because you can ask me to marry him.
00:59:02.760
Um, I think when, so we, we went up to this like beautiful mountain golf, like on a golf
00:59:08.120
course overlooking the San Diego Valley and the ocean.
00:59:11.180
And then he, um, I was like, I was trying to hug him and he backed away and I'm like,
00:59:18.400
And then, um, he got on one knee and I was like, oh my gosh, what's happening?
00:59:22.540
And I was like, oh my God, oh my God, what's happening?
00:59:24.500
And then he asked me, and then I looked at him, I said, are you sure?
00:59:35.320
But it took me a good, I think I had to wrap my mind around it for a moment, but, um,
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it was, it was aside from my wedding day, the happiest day, I couldn't stop smiling.
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He had a photographer hiding in the bushes who caught all the photos and the moments.
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And then, um, he took me to a lovely French dinner afterwards.
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I was kind of referring to different moves, but we'll talk later.
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Maybe off the record, off the record with wine, Megan.
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Um, so, so you get married and it was an amazing, amazing ceremony.
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You truly were, both of you were, looked like you were on cloud nine and it happened to be,
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it was on October 17th at St. Patrick's Cathedral.
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I mean, of all places, it's the, it's a place of honor in the Catholic church.
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I mean, honestly, were you so touched because you wound up getting his blessing?
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I think, you know, we, I think the day after we got engaged, we called him and we asked him
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And I think later there was some pushback by members of the clergy, probably like, how
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And this, um, but, um, and so that, as it turned out, the rector of the cathedral, a good
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friend of ours, Vincenia Ritchie presided at the wedding, but Cardinal Dolan, um, decided
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And, you know, we said, Cardinal Dolan, we understand this is very public.
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Why don't we go and meet you in the rectory, you know, after afterwards, which is where
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And, um, he said, no, I'll meet you, um, outside the church.
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And we came walking down the aisle right after this ceremony in St. Patrick's Cathedral down
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And he was there at the back of the aisle, right at the front, at the, you know, entrance
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to the church, um, waiting for us with his mask on and his arms outstretched.
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And it was, it was a very moving moment for sure.
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Cardinal Dolan has always reached out to me and made me feel welcome.
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Um, you know, like when we first started dating, John took me over to his apartment.
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He hosted us and we drank martinis in his living room.
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And he talked to me, wanted to know me and get to know me and ask me questions.
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And, um, he just, he, I say to him that, um, you are really good for Christianity and for
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the church because you make being a Christian look attractive and joyful.
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And I said, then that's, that's, you know, that's a good thing for the church.
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Um, and we always enjoy our time with him and he has made a point to get to know us as
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And then obviously that was culminated by him being the first to greet us when we were
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I mean, there's something in there that's, I don't know, redemptive.
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So now the big question is, are we having children?
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Since this was one of your, this was one of your reasons to leave, right?
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And what I, one of the things I loved about Caitlin was that, so I'm 40, I'm 48 now.
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And, but I was so happy that she, she mentioned, she would think about, she would be a news
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nun someday, like just basically be dedicated to the news.
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And that was kind of a relief to me, even though I was certainly hoping to have children or being
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open to that idea, but I, what, she wasn't getting married in order to have a kid.
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Another thing that gave me great confidence was this whole terrible epidemic, uh, pandemic
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that we're going through and that we were, you know, spending much more time together
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And so our relationship really sped up, um, without getting into details, um, it really
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sped up honestly, because we spent, you know, three, four months together all the time.
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And I think hopefully she said the same thing about me.
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So that was, that's kind of the silver lining in our own relationship.
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But the answer to your question is, yes, we're very open to having children and we look,
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you know, we're, we are, we've only been married two months.
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But Caitlin, Caitlin was, um, was adopted from Korea.
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Um, and we went last December back to Korea back for the first time since she had been there
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Um, and we went to the very adoption agency, um, where she had, um, been, you know, given by
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her birth mother and where she spent the first days of her life in this little room where that
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And it's full of these little babies under three months old who have not even been placed in
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And Caitlin was able to hold a baby from her town, um, who was there waiting for adoption.
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Maybe it's somebody who's coming in the future.
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Maybe it's just the love between the two of you, you know, which is such an uplifting
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I I've said before, when you marry the right person, it can be such a stabilizing sound
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I just, I think a lot of people don't realize if you have a great relationship, what an injection
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So, and, and the opposite is true too, but we'll stay on the positive for now.
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You know, like if you've got it and you nurture it, it can stay nurtured.
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I mean, Doug and I have been together now for, I don't know, we met in, in 06, right?
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Just a little nurturing, just like generous lenses, little nurse nurturing and a few other
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It was about, you went to church and I don't know, Jonathan, you were doing something at
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I don't think you can do that with the ratings.
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Never said this publicly, but so yeah, we're at my nephew's first communion and it's one
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You can imagine what they're thinking, you know, like, oh, you know, here he is after
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So in the Catholic church, if you're not Catholic, when you go up to communion, you
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don't receive because the idea is if you don't believe the same thing the Catholic church believes
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about communion, you shouldn't receive out of intellectual integrity, I guess.
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And so, but what you can do is cross your arms over your chest and the priest will give a
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And later I found out she was very, she knew that she knew how to do it because she had
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watched it in Rome when she was there covering the conclave for Good Morning America, where
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I let her go ahead of me and she heads towards, you know, through the communion line.
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And as she's, she's now about four feet away from the priest who's giving out communion.
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And instead of what a normal person would do, a normal person who knows like how to get
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the blessing would do, who would go walk right up to the priest, cross the arms and wait for
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She like, this was like, this wasn't Taco Bell or like, this was like, it was a flyby.
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She walked right across her arm, walked right past the priest.
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And he's like looking for her with his arms stretched out, trying to catch her to get a
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She comes right back in the aisle and I, I look, I get back into the pew.
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My whole family probably saw her do this flyby.
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And she looked at me and she's in these beautiful high heels and this beautiful dress.
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And she looks at me and she says, you didn't fucking tell me what I was supposed to do.
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It was actually a little bit different, but I don't even feel comfortable saying it.
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She's like, you didn't effing tell me what I was supposed to do.
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I'm like, well, what were you marching up there for?
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Meanwhile, FFJ is like, by the way, the wafers taste delicious.
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You have to rewind to get that part of the story.
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You don't know how good they are, what you're missing.
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So by the way, so you, we, you established you, we are, you are not going to convert out
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of Catholicism, but Caitlin, is there any chance you're going to jump in?
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Um, when we go to church on Sundays, we go to this great church down here, um, near our
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neighborhood that has very good music, um, and preaching good homily.
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So, um, yeah, at one point, but John never made that, like when we were dating, it was
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never like a condition of, of dating or anything that he needed to marry someone Catholic.
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Um, and he likes to celebrate like my diverse backgrounds and where I come from.
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But I thought the rule was you can, you can marry a non-Catholic, but the kids need
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That the, the non-Catholic partners agrees, um, to, or like recognize the fact that the
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Catholic partner has promised to raise the children Catholic, you know?
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So this is like my in, no matter how many sins I commit on this earth, I feel like when
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Peter's trying to give me a hard time, I'm going to be like, look, I made you three little
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All that's all I want to hear is thank you and welcome.
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So now wait, so what, so professionally, what's next for you, John?
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And so, but what are you, what are you doing now to pay the bills since now you do have
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Well, no, actually there really is poverty now.
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Like if you don't work, it turns out you're poor in the Catholic church.
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If you're a priest and you don't work, you just keep your job and you still get paid and
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I looked at, you know, selling vacuum cleaners.
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I looked at, um, teaching high school religion.
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I looked at, um, a lot of different things and I really have fallen into something that
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And that is, um, in the industry, we call it executive coaching or leadership development,
01:11:53.540
but it's working with people across industries and even people who are not, um, specifically
01:11:59.640
in business to help them basically make good decisions, um, in the workplace primarily.
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Life coaching would be more like a kind of a low level counselor or something.
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Um, I, what I do is I get involved with people who are entrepreneurs.
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Um, and I, I say, um, I'm going to work with you for a year.
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Um, and that's kind of the minimal thing that we do with a one year, um, a retainer, and I
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And the first step is help to get you to get to know yourself better.
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And we use, um, very specific, um, personality assessment tools, um, in order to do that.
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Um, so the first part is self knowledge, self assessment.
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And then second part is self management and then apply leadership skills.
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Um, but people have told me this, the most expensive decisions we make are the decisions
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that we make when we're afraid, when we're anxious, when we're jealous, when we're insecure,
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Um, and the best and sometimes most profitable decisions that we make are the ones that we
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make when we're coming from a secure position personally.
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When we're making a decision where we need, we've gotten some advice from somebody that
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And so I'm working with executives and their immediate leadership teams to make good decisions
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and to give them courage, um, to go ahead and to execute on those decisions.
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Um, so it's morrisonlarson.com is where you can find us.
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I'm also still working with Fox news, um, as an analyst, as a, as a contributor, but, um,
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I'm just loving this working with people who have high impact and say, I'm going to invest
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in having somebody who I can confide in, who I can trust.
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I know in your letter announcing that you were leaving the priesthood, you said, I hope
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you are able to hear the newfound joy I have in my heart, despite my fear of stepping into
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Listen, Merry Christmas to the two of you on the first Christmas you will have together
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