Fox News and CNN's Disastrous Ratings, and ＂CitiBike Karen＂ Smears, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson ｜ Ep. 556
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Summary
Sen. Tim Scott (R-VA) officially enters the race for the 2020 Republican presidential nomination. Plus, Tucker Carlson s camp is teasing a treasure trove of Fox News secrets, and the EJ's are back to discuss it all.
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Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.
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Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.
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Senator Tim Scott is officially in. Ron DeSantis is next. And more could be coming.
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Plus, Tucker Carlson's camp is teasing a treasure trove of Fox News secrets.
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Emily Jasinski is editor at The Federalist and host of The Federalist NewsHour.
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Eliana Johnson is editor-in-chief of The Washington Free Beacon and co-host of the Ink Stained Wretches podcast.
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Okay, I forgot to print my outline. Will you print my outline? I'm sorry.
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I made such a nice outline of the stories that I wanted to discuss with you both.
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Welcome to the show, and there's a lot to discuss, so let's kick it off with Tim Scott.
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He told this story when he came on the show last year about how this woman came to apply for work with him.
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She basically started crying in the interview and left and was like, I know I'm not getting it.
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She was, I think, working at a—was it an airport?
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She was working at an airport, like, as a baggage handler.
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Here's just a little bit of how he sounded in making his announcement yesterday.
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Our party and our nation are standing at a time for choosing.
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Nobody ever has a bad word to say about Tim Scott.
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But realistically, he's not going to overtake Trump.
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But then you've got DeSantis, who's going to, you know, collate the remaining non-Trump vote.
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Now we're hearing rumblings that Glenn Youngkin is taking a new look at this race, Governor
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I like Tim Scott, but you guys tell me, does he have enough of a national profile going
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into this thing that he has a realistic shot at this?
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We are more than a year out from Election Day, and I do think we should be humble about kind
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of what we know about where things are going to go.
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I'm glad Republican primary voters will have choices.
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His message, unlike some of the other messages we've heard from the—you know, DeSantis isn't
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in, but I would say unlike DeSantis' message and unlike Trump's message, is a message of
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He has a wonderful life story, and he's somebody, I think, regardless of what happens with his
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presidential campaign, whose message and who, as a person, is important in the future
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So I'm glad he's running, and we'll see what happens with the campaign.
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We've seen before, you know, plenty of people catch on, become part of presidential cabinets
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I kind of doubt it like you, Megan, but I do want to be humble in predictions because who
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would have thought we would end up with Trump as a nominee and as president?
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Well, it is important to be humble, so thank you for that reminder.
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Look, it's not to say I wouldn't vote for the guy.
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I just don't, you know, realistically, I'm just looking at what's in front of him, and it
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Emily, you know, I had Charlie Kirk on the show yesterday, and he didn't say this on
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the show, but he said it in something I was reading in prep, and he said, America doesn't
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They need a bare-knuckled brawler who's going to say, I know what a woman is.
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I know, like, all those things, and really sort of fight these crazy battles that we're
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Yeah, and Tim Scott's on the banking committee and has a pretty good relationship with business,
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which in 2012 would have been a complete, like, that's a great thing.
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That's an asset for a Republican presidential candidate in 2012.
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Now it's a different story as far as voters are concerned, and there's a real duality to
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He was make America great again, but he was also American carnage.
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You see the same thing with Ron DeSantis, where he says, we have all of these extremely serious
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cultural problems, but we can make America Florida, is where the campaign seems to be going
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He has the side that we can be hopeful, as that clip you played showed.
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If Charlie Kirk is making that point, that means that's how conservative media is likely
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That means it's how a lot of voters are probably likely to receive Tim Scott.
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And if he doesn't, does that mean that he's not going to have policies that crack down
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on things like corporate DEI, that crack down on all of the things that Trump gave in his
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famous American carnage inauguration speech that I think captured the mood of the country?
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That'll probably appeal to some suburban voters.
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And if you talk to people close to the campaign, they think that they can hold it out.
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Maybe Donald Trump has to drop out for some unforeseen reason.
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And then Tim Scott will be there waiting in the wings.
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But that is their idea of where things could go.
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You know what's crazy is if it winds up being Trump Biden in the contest, forgive me, but
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Like they're old enough that one might not make it to the actual election day, never mind
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through a first term or in Biden's case, a second.
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And I mean, this is something we actually have to factor in when you have presidential candidates
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Depresses me when these people are so much younger than I am.
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And that's really the sort of biggest and most exciting thing that's happened in the
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GOP side since Trump's announcement, which wasn't that exciting.
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It was actually quite boring, as I pointed out at the time.
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But his entry is always Trump himself is interesting.
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DeSantis comes in tomorrow, as we understand it.
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And now that will be a game changer, because while he's been sort of soft running for a
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while, the announcement, the it's official moment is a momentum builder for any candidate,
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And I think you need look no further than like the article in Politico, which hit a couple
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days ago, which was an enormous takedown of DeSantis's wife to realize the mainstream
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And while everyone wants to write him off as like, no way, can't get past Trump, especially
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the mainstream media, because they want to run against Trump.
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The fact that they're now spending some ink trying to take down his lovely wife tells me
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They are scared, Eliana, of this guy, his beautiful family, what he might represent
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and how it might go if he manages to find a way around Trump.
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Oh, I was just staring at the pictures of their beautiful photogenic family, which is
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But yes, let me I will get to the Casey DeSantis profile that ran in Politico magazine that
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I thought we were supposed to celebrate empowered women and the men who take their counsel and
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But of course, now that it is a conservative Republican doing it, this is problematic.
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But Megan, before we get to that, I think it's going to be really interesting to see
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And what I'm going to be listening for is the following.
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He said to donors, he kind of did a soft launch on a call with donors that The New York Times
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And he said there are three people in this race who, you know, getting in this race who
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could plausibly be president, Trump, Biden and me.
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And I think tomorrow we have to hear more from DeSantis than Trump can't win.
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We need a better message than that from him or he will not defeat Trump.
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I just don't think Republican primary voters are going to be persuaded by an electability
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They have to hear from DeSantis, Trump is unfit for office.
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And he needs to make the case not only against Trump, but for himself.
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He's in this very hard position because he doesn't want to lose the Trump base.
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Yeah, I mean, they're unwinnable to him right now.
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If he attacks Trump full on, the Trump base gets even angrier and absolutely shuts the
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If he doesn't, it's like, well, why are you running then, Emily?
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Like what if you think Trump's up to the job and adequate?
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We've seen like some previews of what this attack could look like.
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They've already traded barbs kind of back and forth on who handled covid better.
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We've seen Trump attack DeSantis from the left, interestingly enough, on the economy in
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And so it's going to be, I think, a real test of where the right moves.
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But that's the problem for DeSantis is he's one in the anti-Trump lane, but also in the
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And I would say, you know, for him, he should just not overthink it and not have consultants
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sort of hand wring this to death, because when he was elected barely as governor of Florida,
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took the reins and had a really successful run that actually, I think, shocked a lot of
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That was because he found that voters actually just really liked what he was doing.
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He was being sort of thoughtful and intellectual and creating a blueprint for how to actually
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engage in the culture war with substantive pieces of legislation to take on the media with
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And so that's where people started to say pretty organically, hey, this Ron DeSantis guy is
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sort of Trump without some of the Trump negatives, the Trump disadvantages.
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Maybe we should think about whether he could have a national profile and be a presidential
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And so I think part of it is just not overthinking things.
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And to the Casey DeSantis profile that Politico wrote, which was hilarious and infuriating at
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Let's look at the way the media has treated Giselle Fetterman or Joe Biden just in the last
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As Whoopi said, she could be our next Surgeon General.
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So to bring the audience up to date, Politico on, I think it was Friday, drops this piece
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on Casey DeSantis, the Casey DeSantis problem, quote, his greatest asset and his greatest
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OK, by some, she's been seen mostly as a superstar of a political spouse, a not so secret weapon,
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The more complicated but also more instructive reality is that she's neither the fawning
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caricature she's made out to be in conservative circles and even sometimes the mainstream media,
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She can ameliorate some of the effects of his idiosyncrasies.
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She can also accentuate, even exacerbate his hubris, his paranoia, his balting ambition,
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He might not get to where he wants to go because of her.
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Many people would only speak anonymously because of the power of a governor who might
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be a president and also that of his wife and what they perceive to be their collective
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She's more paranoid than he is, said a staffer.
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She's twice that, said a higher up on one of his campaigns.
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I mean, you mess with Doug, you'll get it from me.
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Some of the sharpest knives in the set belong to her, said the GOP lobbyist that they spoke
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Does she also feed into his worst instincts of being secluded and insular and standoffish
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And there's, of course, a comparison to Lady Macbeth in here, notwithstanding Politico's
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position in November 2012, that comparing women in politics, showing images of Hillary,
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Jill Biden and Giselle Fetterman to Lady Macbeth is sexist.
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And yet it appears, I think, twice in this article about Casey DeSantis.
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So really, it's only sexist if it's against a Democrat.
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You know, I do think it's worth noting that the Lady Macbeth comment came from Trump ally
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Roger Stone and that some of these attacks on Casey DeSantis are actually coming from
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the from the right because the Trump people are scared of her, too.
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And I got like I actually got kind of a Nancy Reagan vibe from reading this article in that
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I don't know when that became a bad thing, but it is Politico's job to say that the tropes
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emanating from the primary from DeSantis's political camp opponents towards Casey DeSantis
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are sexist and they put none of that context around this.
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They would never, ever allow a Democrat, a Democratic spouse to be attacked in this way
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And, you know, Emily, it does show something, though, about how they actually feel, because,
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you know, the mainstream's got a million pieces about how it's Trump's.
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I mean, you might as well be talking to a Trump staffer when you read most of the mainstream
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Of course, I think the latest poll had him at 61 and DeSantis at 16.
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Um, however, however, pieces like this kind of show what's really going on.
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Their real belief is that DeSantis does have a meaningful chance still and must be hobbled,
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you know, that that they, like Trump, want to, as they put in this piece, kill the DeSantis
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Yeah, that's a good point, because the Trump campaign and the media have one thing in common,
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They love the blood sport of politics and the Trump campaign.
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I think that's why they've always gotten along with the media.
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If you go back to, like, 2015, obviously, they don't get along with the media in the
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sense that they're constantly, like, publicly at loggerheads.
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But Trump, despite all of his complaints about the media, has leaked constantly to the
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mainstream media, the so-called mainstream media, um, is constantly talking to Politico,
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New York Times, his people are, um, maybe not him himself, because they're always going
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They text back and forth, you know, the Trump allies.
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Roger Stone, every corporate media reporter here in D.C.
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Um, they all talk to these, like, like Trump consultants, Trump hangers on.
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Um, and I think that's where there's kind of an advantage to Donald Trump media-wise.
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And they don't even, the media doesn't realize they're being played by the Trump camp when
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I remember I was working on a story a few years ago about, um, a Republican and some
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of his former staffers were complaining about his wife having too much control over the office.
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And the deeper I got into the story, the more I realized there was no news there.
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Uh, it was just a protective good wife taking care of her husband.
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Uh, and so I ended up not running the story, but they would never do that because they live
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for the conflict and they see the conflict as inherently newsworthy when it's against
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But if it's against a Democrat, they see what's newsworthy as her not being devious or sinister,
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but her being, uh, in control and smart and strategic.
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And it's just a fascinating, I think, side by side, particularly the Fetterman example.
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You've got this family that, as Eliana points out, they're so lovely.
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You're looking at them like, my God, it's like a sort of a new version of Camelot and the
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Kennedys, except hopefully without all the cheating.
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Um, and you know, they've, they've, they're very appealing.
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You look, it's like, Oh, I'd love to see those little kids behind the resolute desk.
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Anyway, that's what we have in looking at them.
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You don't want her trying to alienate those GOP women, right?
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Who DeSantis is said to be more appealing to than Trump.
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Meanwhile, they'll, they'll never lay a finger on Jill Biden, Dr. Jill and her absurd need
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for that title or Giselle Fetterman and her weirdness about her husband's illness and how
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Like, okay, we're never going to see a piece on any of that.
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And to me, it's, it's just a transparent and it's irritating.
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Um, meanwhile, if you take a peek at how the left is talking about any of these guys, whether
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it's Tim Scott, Ron DeSantis, they're all an equal threat to the Republic.
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I think one of the issues that Tim Scott, um, has is that he seems to think because I made
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it, everyone can make it ignoring again, the fact that he is the exception and not the rule.
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And until he is the rule, then he can stop talking about systemic racism.
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He has championed policies specific to help the black and brown community.
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The first step act, which many, I know a lot of liberals think it didn't go far enough,
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but it helped them the first year get 3000 inmates released into rehabilitation program.
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He was the champion of the Emmett Till Anti-Lynching Act, which I think was able.
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Yeah, he was, listen, I don't take, look, he's done some good stuff.
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But if you're running for president, you got to do more than that.
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Yeah, you have to represent us as a nation and then say, and as a black man, this is also how
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I feel. But you can't pretend that it's not there and that it's not an issue for the people you're
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running for, the party you're running for. They are in part the problem. This cat down in Florida,
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I mean, black people know there's a problem in Florida.
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Okay. They got it all. It's all in that sound. Tim Scott needs to come out and acknowledge his
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blackness or he's got Clarence Thomas syndrome. And instead of being grateful to a country for
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providing him with opportunity, he's got to bash the company because not everybody,
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the country, because not everybody has achieved exactly what he's achieved. Like Sonny in her
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multimillion dollar property with a son at Harvard who went to law school, who's got a great career
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in making millions on television. See, she's a good person because she hates America. You see,
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that's how it works. Amazing. It's just it's truly the the distillation of the world view.
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You have to tear Tim Scott down for representing an optimistic and I would say fairly accurate
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vision of America that and that's what's interesting about what we were talking about
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earlier, the optimism versus the pessimism, make America great again versus America, American
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carnage. There's a swath of this country that actually really does experience the country that
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Tim Scott is tapping into in the country that Tim Scott is describing. And that's where that's like
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actually very important. And the media thinks that they're the champions of the downtrod and people
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they never talk to, they never interact with. And so they have all of these diagnoses and solutions
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that are completely out of touch with what people actually want and was actually good for communities
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around the country, whether they're rural or inner city. The media just sits back in their comfortable
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chairs and tells them this is what you need. This is what you want, by the way. And it gives them the
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sense of moral authority that is totally unearned. And I can't imagine how black conservatives like Tim
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Scott watch clips like that on The View because it's just acting like they're invalidated. They're enablers
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of bigotry. The way they get smeared, I truly don't know how they put up with it because it is so disgusting.
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The more accomplished a conservative black man or woman is, the more the left hates them. Hates them.
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He addressed this a bit yesterday in his remarks. Here's top two.
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When I cut your taxes, they called me a prop. When I refunded the police, they called me a token.
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When I pushed back on President Biden, they even called me the n-word.
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I disrupt their narrative. I threatened their control. The truth of my life disrupts their lies.
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There you go, Eliana. Whoopi got what what she wanted. Sunny got what she wanted. He talked about
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how there's racism in America. Unfortunately for the ladies of The View, he's talking about it coming
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at him from the left, from people like the ladies who sit on that panel. Of course, because he doesn't
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go along with their group think and they said, oh, you know, he'll go the path of Clarence Thomas.
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You know, some of us would think that's a wonderful thing, but they're saying it like it's the worst
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thing that could possibly happen to him. And Megan, I don't even think you got to the NAACP putting out a
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travel advisory for the state of Florida saying that it is dangerous for African-Americans to
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travel to Florida while the leaders of that group go on vacations there.
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The head of the NAACP is in Tampa. Charlie Crue pointed that out. He's in Tampa. One of the directors.
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It does show the extent to which, you know, these are these are just extensions of a political party
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and a political point of view where free thinking among African-Americans is not is not welcome.
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And that is the racism of it. The question I have about Tim Scott that that is kind of interesting,
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I've been listening to others debate it. He came on and I asked him about his love life because he's
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unmarried. So he's not married and has no kids. We talked about that. And I think he's still hopeful,
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but, you know, he's going to land the plane. He's going to meet Ms. Wright and, you know,
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whatever. But there are even some on the right have been saying it's weird that it's he's 57 and
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he's never gotten married. And, you know, he has no kids. And if you have no kids, do you really have
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a stake in the game as a potential president? I'm sure we've had bachelor presidents in the past,
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but they'll make an issue out of it, Emily. I mean, Trump will probably make an issue out of it
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because he has such a stellar home life to point to if he if he if he's not truth social in that
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right now. It's it's probably soon to come. Yeah, I recommend marriage. Yeah, it's really it's going
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to be interesting to see how he handles it, because, yeah, I mean, we have had bachelor candidates,
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bachelor presidents, but it's a really tricky balance. It's definitely a point of intrigue,
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obviously. He's been very busy in his 30s and in his 40s building a big political career. So I do
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think that it'll be an interesting question. But it also it's like when Don Lemon Lemon
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went after Nikki Haley for being pastor prime, which you covered fantastically, that resonated with
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people. And the Tim Scott already sort of preemptively being like, when I cut your taxes,
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they called me X, Y and Z. That's super interesting, because these media attacks,
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I think Republicans have really learned like the Harvard Harris poll that came out yesterday and
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Glenn Greenwald was tweeting about a lot of the really interesting stuff from it. Americans distrust
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in media has just become huge. And it's really hugely important to voters, too. It's not just like
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we all understand the media is a problem. It's we all understand the media is a problem. And now we're
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going to vote based on it. And so I think that's kind of like I can really see those personal
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attacks on Tim Scott questions raised by Trump, by the media about his personal life.
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I can see savvy sort of consultants and people putting in his ear, you know, good ways to spin it.
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But it is, I think, genuinely a point of intrigue for for voters. I'm sure they have an answer that
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they think is good prepared for it. But it'll come up for sure.
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Yeah, I don't know. Some people don't meet the right person, Eliana. And it's like,
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what are you going to do? It's better to stay single than to marry Ms. Wrong and make a bunch
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of kids with Ms. Wrong and then divide up a family. Maybe he just, you know, didn't meet the
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right person. I don't know. I've just I thought it was interesting that the the comments were coming
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from some on the right. It wasn't just a leftist attack on him. You know, there are some more sort
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of family oriented Christian commentators who are like, where's the family? Where's the marriage?
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Where's all that on the Harvard Harris poll? It is interesting. And my God, I thought this what I
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thought was fascinating to me on this. They asked, what's your principal source of TV news? And they
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asked Republicans, Democrats and independents. And of course, 40 percent of Republicans say their
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principal source is Fox News. Twenty five percent of independents say that. Twenty six percent of
00:27:29.000
independents, more independents say other than Fox, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC or MSNBC. So the majority of
00:27:35.900
independents are the plurality, whatever, however the numbers work. But more independents say they're
00:27:40.940
not getting their news from television now than ever before. And I think that's that's because
00:27:47.420
they're all in our lane. They're over here in digital media. You know, they're listening to Emily
00:27:51.140
on The Federalist. They're listening to you and ink stained wretches, hopefully listening to the
00:27:55.120
Megyn Kelly show right now on Sirius XM Triumph channel or via podcast. And so it's but it's not just
00:28:02.600
independents. Twenty four percent of Republicans to twenty four percent, much smaller numbers in
00:28:07.580
the Democrat category. Only twelve percent say other. And of course, they're mostly most of the
00:28:12.780
Democrats are getting their news from CNN or MSNBC. And then they sort of split over the mainstream
00:28:19.480
channels. In any event, what these numbers show is that huge swaths of the American public still
00:28:27.400
believe in some of the nonsense reporting that we've seen over the past few years, still believe
00:28:32.220
that Trump worked with Russia. Forty four percent still believe the Steele dossier accusations.
00:28:39.540
Forty four percent still believe that still believe the Hunter Biden laptop is disinformation.
00:28:44.060
Forty one percent believe that. But the majority have rejected it, notwithstanding the ubiquitousness,
00:28:49.280
Eliana, of the messaging on those issues. It is amazing. I mean, look, most people are not
00:28:57.840
following this stuff the way we are. It is not their professions. And people are informed by having
00:29:04.180
the news on in the background while they're doing the dishes and taking care of kids. So that actually
00:29:07.820
doesn't surprise me at all. And it is the reason that the drumbeat over four years of Russiagate
00:29:13.920
is extraordinarily effective, even if none of those claims hold up, because the narrative is just sort
00:29:20.000
of in the water. And same with the Hunter Biden laptop. And I think it was Dean Acheson, the Truman
00:29:26.440
Secretary of State, who said something about, you know, the massive difficulty of correcting the record
00:29:32.620
once like a mistake, once something incorrect gets out there. And that's I think that's what the right is
00:29:39.380
grappling with now. And they're doing so when the mainstream media is entirely controlled,
00:29:44.700
basically by the left, CNN, The New York Times, The Washington Post. These people aren't going out
00:29:49.780
to correct the record. So it's not surprising at all. The facts come out in a 302 page Durham report.
00:29:55.860
How many people do you think looked at that carefully? Where was that covered carefully? So
00:30:00.440
this this really doesn't surprise me. And I think it does show you, you know, what conservatives,
00:30:05.960
what Republicans are up against. And, you know, my colleagues and I wonder often, like, how many
00:30:10.480
points is that worth on the ballot? Yeah, people think their election was really massive help,
00:30:16.220
even if they don't believe that Dominion votes were changed. You know, they think their election was
00:30:20.820
rigged. And just to correct that last stat I gave you, this is Democrats believe that the Hunter laptop
00:30:26.800
is disinformation. Fifty nine percent of Democrats believe that that it's that the Hunter Biden laptop was
00:30:33.540
disinformation. Fifty nine percent. Only forty one percent believe the laptop was
00:30:38.140
real of Democrats. And that's a story that eventually the mainstream media was forced to
00:30:44.960
correct its mistakes on. You know, we did eventually have CNN and The New York Times and CBS come out and
00:30:51.000
say, OK, sorry, we were wrong about that. It's not disinformation. It's real. And still, even with them
00:30:57.900
correcting the information, Emily, you've got fifty nine percent of Democrats sticking with the original
00:31:03.540
bad reporting that it was disinformation. This is what the GOP is up against. I mean, this is why
00:31:08.960
Republicans get so angry and like there's some patience for Trump and his harping on twenty twenty.
00:31:14.560
It's limited, but there's some patience for it because they, too, are pissed off.
00:31:20.060
And it's like so when Trump was at his CNN town hall going back and forth with Caitlin Collins
00:31:25.620
over whether the election was rigged or stolen. Caitlin repeatedly said the election was not rigged.
00:31:31.500
The election was not rigged. Well, there's a broad definition. I mean, we can all I think here agree
00:31:36.220
the election was not stolen. Rigged is a broader definition. When you look at fifty one former
00:31:40.900
intelligence officials and the CIA, we now know from reporting a couple of weeks ago,
00:31:45.560
colluding to create a letter they knew was false saying that laptop looked like Russian disinformation.
00:31:51.360
That is a serious level of interference on behalf of the actual government that was using government
00:31:58.360
resources, because we know that a CIA official used their CIA email account to solicit signatures for
00:32:03.640
that letter. And so, again, this is a big question for the Tim Scotts and the Nikki Haley's of the world
00:32:08.500
when you're talking just about the greatness of America and not about the American carnage to go back
00:32:13.540
to that example. This is a serious, serious problem when you have a swath of the country.
00:32:19.380
How many to Eliana's point, how many how many points is that where people have tried to study it?
00:32:23.500
I think it's really hard to study how that affected 2020, how the smears of Russian collusion affected
00:32:28.480
2016. So many of them turned out not to be true. It's just kind of in the water. And when you look at
00:32:33.200
the Harvard Harris poll, a lot of people had this glass half full takeaway, like look at how
00:32:37.100
trust in the mainstream media is cratering, it's plummeting. It's like that is all true.
00:32:44.300
The media's power is waning and it is happening pretty rapidly relative to the course of history.
00:32:49.340
But oh, my gosh, their power is still vast and it is still egregious. And it's sad that so many
00:32:56.200
people are being served so poorly by folks they put their trust in because CNN, remember, ran those ads
00:33:02.640
saying this is an apple, this is a banana. Some people might try to tell you it's a banana,
00:33:05.980
but it's a freaking apple. While they were telling everybody that an apple was a banana for
00:33:10.900
years. I mean, it's just nonsense and they're making money off of it and they are destroying
00:33:15.400
the country. So it's just incredibly frustrating. It's good. It is a glass half full that people are
00:33:21.000
starting to realize, but we're nowhere near the position that we would need to be because those
00:33:26.180
numbers say it all. I'm very encouraged that people are turning to other sources, not just because
00:33:31.640
I'm in this lane, but because I do think you have to select your news by voice now.
00:33:35.980
Instead of by network, I think you get agendas pushed on you when you go to a corporation,
00:33:40.940
even when you may trust like Fox News. Look how Fox has changed. Look at the reporting over the past
00:33:44.880
couple of days. The Daily Signal report on how woke they are on the gender ideology and
00:33:49.980
forcing their reporters to use the gender affirming care language and forcing them to use the right,
00:33:57.220
not the right, but the pronouns of choice inside the building and all of that stuff and forcing
00:34:02.220
them not to report on Dylan Mulvaney and telling the Tucker staff, you bet, you know, pushing back
00:34:06.840
on his decision to use key pronouns for Dylan, all that. You have to figure out what voice you trust.
00:34:13.460
What personality do you trust? Because these big corporations have an agenda that we're seeing
00:34:17.380
more and more. It doesn't match up with what what's in the interest of the American people.
00:34:21.180
Stand by. We have much more to do. We did. OK, technically, we had four years of Russiagate
00:34:29.520
and and, you know, several months of hunting Hunter Biden laptop is disinformation. And technically,
00:34:36.820
they did come out and correct the record. But the volume at which that was done, we had full blast,
00:34:44.920
you know, at 12 Russiagate and full blast at 12, you know, banned on Twitter and, you know,
00:34:52.040
the Hunter Biden laptop story. And then there's like, you know, quiet as a mouse, a little peep
00:34:56.280
story on A36 that, oh, actually, you know, this stuff isn't true. They're not equal. Like, you know,
00:35:02.260
the call and response are not equal there. So it's no surprise that people remain confused.
00:35:07.260
CNN, New York Times and The Washington Post won Pulitzer Prizes for their reporting on Russia,
00:35:11.940
on complete BS. And so it doesn't surprise me at all. Like the admission of mistake is not done
00:35:19.840
with the same volume and wall to wall coverage as was, you know, the sensationalist coverage of the
00:35:25.860
so-called scandal. Mm hmm. Yeah. No, it's like what is the line from The Godfather? Like,
00:35:32.400
hopefully with the same energy with which you besmirched it.
00:35:35.580
Something like that. All right. Stand by. We have more with the EJs coming up right after this.
00:35:48.380
So, ladies, we are getting more flavor on why Tucker Carlson was fired from Fox News,
00:35:55.720
courtesy of the man writing a biography, an authorized biography of him called Tucker.
00:36:01.700
Tucker. I did not know this was happening, but it's coming out in July. And this man,
00:36:07.360
Chadwick Moore, who has been on Tucker's show in the past, took to Twitter yesterday to say
00:36:12.380
that he has reporting about the real reason Tucker was fired and did not want to wait until July to
00:36:20.500
release it. And it's a reason that we have heard speculated about in the press. And that was
00:36:24.980
reportedly relayed to Tucker himself by two board members, or so the reporting on this matter claims.
00:36:33.240
Here's Chadwick Moore via Twitter talking about that issue. Safai.
00:36:37.400
It has now been reported that his firing was a condition demanded by Dominion as part of the
00:36:42.380
settlement with Fox. Although Dominion has denied this, my sources have intimate knowledge of the
00:36:48.280
situation and they have assured me even before this news leaked that that is, in fact, the truth.
00:36:53.940
If that is true, it would mean that a small group of people who have a controlling interest in
00:36:59.900
Dominion have managed to silence what is arguably the most important and influential conservative
00:37:05.860
voice in the country, possibly until after the next presidential election.
00:37:11.000
This is interesting because he's back to the Dominion. Now, I have to say, honestly, I don't know how
00:37:16.620
Moore would know this. I really don't. Unless he's talking to Rupert. Tucker doesn't know this.
00:37:23.360
And Tucker's lawyer doesn't know what the reason is. If this is true, that it was a deal between Fox
00:37:29.380
and Dominion, a very small circle of people would know. And that would be Rupert, presumably Lachlan,
00:37:35.780
Suzanne Scott and a couple of key people on the Dominion side. What are the odds that any one of
00:37:41.660
those people is talking to Chadwick Moore? Right. It's very slim. Now, yes, maybe they relayed information
00:37:47.820
to the board and a member of the board is talking to Chadwick. We've already learned that from Tucker.
00:37:52.300
Tucker's already released in one of these news reports that a board member told him or two told
00:37:56.920
him that it was due to Dominion. So I don't I'm not sure what to make of his claim. But I will say
00:38:04.580
this. The Dominion denials on this are weak sauce. All my spidey senses are up as a lawyer when I read
00:38:14.660
the way they deny this. And I I had Kelly McGuire, my producer, go back and try to find
00:38:20.220
all their denials. What have they said? And these are the two salient ones. First, they said Dominion
00:38:25.600
did not insist on Fox firing Tucker as part of the settlement. We did not insist on it. Hmm.
00:38:33.640
That's not enough. That's too narrow a sliver. That's too narrow a sliver. Then the second one
00:38:39.740
was a little bit wider. And they said Dominion made no demands about Tucker's employment. Now,
00:38:46.000
listen, if you are being accused of making this a deal term, when you come out and say it's not a deal
00:38:51.780
term, it was never discussed. The whole thing's absurd. Why would you say I never insisted on it?
00:38:57.980
But I never demanded it. How? Well, was it a deal term or wasn't it? You know, these are my
00:39:04.000
questions. Was it a deal term? Was it offered? Did you agree? Did someone else suggest it other
00:39:07.820
than Dominion? Was it discussed with anyone at all? What was the outcome of that? All those questions
00:39:12.560
are left unanswered by these weird, very finely crafted denials by Dominion. And these are not dumb
00:39:20.760
lawyers. They just won $800 million from Fox in a settlement. So they know how to do a sweeping
00:39:27.920
denial and they're not doing it. So that is the one thing that would lead me to say maybe they
00:39:33.140
really are on to that. Plus the fact that right after they settled, I mean, the week after he was
00:39:38.020
fired. So the timing certainly would favor an interpretation like this. What do you gals make
00:39:44.420
of this? The possibility that he was a casualty of that settlement? Okay, Megan, I have questions back
00:39:50.740
for you. I didn't know where you were going with Chadwick Moore, but the thing I do think
00:39:55.320
was interesting about it is, okay, it may or may not be true, but it's definitely what Tucker wants
00:40:00.380
people to think because this is his authorized biographer who he's talking to. And all of a
00:40:05.600
sudden the book, the book is getting rushed to press. You know, there are other people working
00:40:08.860
on not authorized Tucker biographies. So, okay, Tucker wants people to think he was fired because
00:40:13.580
of Dominion. I'm curious, what is the advantage? Let's say he was fired because of Dominion.
00:40:18.540
What is the advantage to Dominion, um, of getting Tucker as a scalp, but not having anyone know
00:40:25.880
about it? Well, they silence it. I mean, there, there was a report via, um, OMG, you know, uh,
00:40:33.020
James O'Keefe's new news outlet. And he reported last week with, I have to say, we didn't go with
00:40:40.180
this because it's a producer. None of us had ever heard of it. And half my team is from Fox. You know,
00:40:44.140
I'm from Fox. Um, none of us knew this guy, but this guy did raise one point that I was like,
00:40:48.400
well, that's interesting. He said, and I have, forgive me because I haven't done an independent
00:40:51.900
check on it, that the comms director for Dominion came from the Biden White House. Now the comms
00:40:59.060
director wouldn't be directing settlements and so on, but how tight is Dominion with the Biden White
00:41:03.560
House? Was there any sort of hand in the politics, the politics arena in making this happen? Or,
00:41:10.240
you know, does, was Dominion just fed up with Fox in general and wanted to punish it in a special way,
00:41:16.860
right? Just take their number one host and punish their audience. Like there, there has to be more
00:41:21.080
pain than just the money of which Rupert Murdoch has, you know, gobs. So who knows? I haven't believed
00:41:29.040
this theory, but, but I do think like, it's interesting to me that Dominion's denials are so
00:41:35.840
weak. Keep going, Eliana. No, I, then I just wonder if they did want to exact revenge, the,
00:41:41.560
the denials and the secrecy angle about it, I don't totally understand. And then I think from
00:41:47.420
the Biden White House angle, sure, Tucker's a problem for the Biden White House, but he's also,
00:41:52.480
he also complicates life for Republicans. Like if I were the Biden White House, I wouldn't have really
00:41:57.600
wanted to take Tucker out. He's, he's a complicated figure. He's not just an asset, you know, for,
00:42:04.200
for, look at, look what he did to Kevin McCarthy. He had Kevin McCarthy tied up in knots. So I,
00:42:09.920
I just don't know. But so I think the most interesting thing for me out of this was,
00:42:15.860
okay, this, this is the narrative Tucker's going with or wants people to think.
00:42:20.340
Mm-hmm. Well, I'll tell you, I mean, I think obviously Tucker is struggling to get them to
00:42:26.000
agree to let him out of the deal. And if he actually does launch this show on Twitter,
00:42:29.900
it will be a breach of his deal almost certainly. And it's on then, then Fox has got to decide whether
00:42:35.280
to sue him or arbitrate probably because they have an arbitration agreement. Um, and so right now
00:42:39.800
they're still pushing for some sort of amicable resolution, but you're seeing Tucker and his allies
00:42:45.960
up the ante, by the way, I should point out that I do not. Tucker's never asked me to do anything on
00:42:52.980
his behalf. I don't know. They write up out like his allies are coming down. That is not me. I report
00:42:58.220
the news as I get it. I work to get new information. I bring it to my audience, but I just want to make
00:43:03.640
clear, I am not being used by anybody as an ally or to do anybody's bidding. This is my honest
00:43:07.720
reporting and my honest take as a former Fox news person. Um, and one of the things that I'm seeing
00:43:12.740
now, and I do think this is, this has got a Tucker friend fingerprint on it is there's a piece in the
00:43:18.780
daily news talking about how there's a treasure trove. He is sitting on a treasure trove of
00:43:22.560
potentially damaging Fox secrets, including revelations about extramarital affairs and
00:43:26.640
workplace misconduct. And that, um, if this goes to an arbitrator or a court, it's going to get really
00:43:34.160
ugly, like really ugly. So they're not letting him out. And meantime, Emily, the numbers at Fox
00:43:40.380
are just absolutely dreadful. We're, we've been keeping the running tally here on the MK show,
00:43:45.700
um, post Tucker first four weeks, right? We have 20 shows now to evaluate these four weeks versus
00:43:52.340
the last four weeks when Tucker was at the anchor desk. I'll just give you the percentages. The 7 PM
00:43:58.360
is down 22%. This is in the overall, this is like all viewers, not the young viewers. The 7 PM is down
00:44:04.640
22. The 8 PM is down 55% more than half in its numbers. The 9 PM is down 29%. So Sean Hannity lost
00:44:12.860
one third of his audience to the 10 PM is down 24%. So Laura Ingram lost a quarter of her audience
00:44:19.400
and 11 PM with gut felt. He was suffered the least he's down 12%. Now let me take you to the key
00:44:23.960
advertising demo. 25 to 54, 7 PM down almost 40%, 37 in total, 8 PM down 64% in the 25 to 50. That's
00:44:35.060
what they base our advertising rates on. Um, 9 PM down almost 50, 48% Hannity is 10 PM down 37%, 11 PM down
00:44:43.460
25%. That is a hemorrhaging that is happening in the Fox news primetime. They're hemorrhaging their
00:44:50.920
viewers in their ratings and why they don't understand that they have every incentive of
00:44:56.420
fixing it somehow. Let him free, let him get out there. Stop the bleeding. I don't get it. I don't
00:45:03.640
know. And I have like some thoughts that you actually may know more about. I think it was in,
00:45:09.580
maybe it's in the Gabe Sherman book. There's this anecdote that Roger Ailes used to yank people
00:45:14.160
arbitrarily off the air just to show that the audience would still be there, that it wasn't about
00:45:18.960
them. It was about the Fox system. No idea whether or not that's true. I think it was,
00:45:23.220
I think that's a Gabe Sherman thing. I don't, I'm not sure. I never, I don't remember him doing that,
00:45:26.960
but it sounds possible. It's interesting because with Tucker, uh, and I think you do generally see
00:45:33.140
that when people are out, um, there's a, maybe a small dip in ratings, but this is unlike anything
00:45:38.460
else. And I think that speaks to, uh, how little Fox understood what it had on its hands with Tucker
00:45:44.860
Carlson. I think they didn't understand what he meant to the conservative movement. Um, and to
00:45:50.000
people who are just curious about politics and interested in it sort of like across the spectrum,
00:45:53.780
they had pretty big viewership from Democrats and independents too. Um, and I just don't think
00:45:58.280
that they, they understood what an asset they had in, in him. And I don't think they, I think the
00:46:03.340
daily signal story you mentioned was the first shot across the bow from Tucker's camp saying,
00:46:07.440
we got stuff and we can work with stuff. So you better work with us. Um, and my just last broad
00:46:13.660
thought is I don't understand legally what dominion would be doing with a handshake agreement. Uh,
00:46:18.640
what Rupert Murdoch would be doing with a handshake agreement that they yanked Tucker off the air.
00:46:22.360
That seems like a huge liability to have with a small group of people. None of it really makes
00:46:26.660
sense to me. I want to get a dominion lawyer or representative on this show. And I am going to
00:46:33.040
ask very simple questions. Was it a deal term? Was it raised by anyone? Was it ever
00:46:37.380
discussed by anyone on the dominion team with anyone on the Fox team who had principal negotiating
00:46:43.200
responsibility? If I can see the agreement, would I see the name Tucker Carlson in there? Like there
00:46:48.100
are, there are certain ways of getting to this that get beyond those sliver denials, uh, that
00:46:53.360
really don't tell us much. And I do have to wonder in the wake of all this reporting, whether that is
00:46:57.500
for a reason, um, we'll continue to talk about it. And up next, before we go to our other topics,
00:47:03.260
I've got to talk to you about what's happening with Newsmax and CNN. CNN may no longer be around.
00:47:08.280
I mean, it's that bad. CNN may be going away. Prepare yourself. I know you need to brace yourself.
00:47:19.540
So ladies wanted to tell you that, uh, we're just now getting an announcement from the DeSantis team
00:47:23.280
that we can expect an event with the governor. Ooh, what could it be about? Um, tomorrow evening,
00:47:29.500
they said between four and five, we'll get a more specific time between now and then, but it's going
00:47:34.980
to be in Miami, uh, which is not his hometown, but we'll find out, uh, exactly where and why Miami
00:47:42.060
DeSantis. I mean, listen, this is an important moment for our country. This guy could win.
00:47:47.360
He could win. The polling right now shows him tying with Joe Biden in a head to head matchup
00:47:52.600
before he's even announced. It shows Trump beating Joe Biden by seven, despite the fact
00:47:58.100
that Trump has got an enormous amount of baggage and most people's opinions on Trump are immovable,
00:48:03.900
right? They, they have very strong opinions and they're immovable and he's beating Biden by seven.
00:48:08.180
So if DeSantis can find a way around Trump, the guy actually could win the presidency. Um, America
00:48:15.220
needs only to be introduced to him more fully potentially, you know, we'll see. I mean,
00:48:18.680
he's got some, he's got some personal peculiarities. Um, but when he legislates, when he, when he leads,
00:48:26.500
I think a wide swath of America is going to find him very, very appealing. Emily, am I wrong?
00:48:32.420
No, I don't think you're wrong at all. I think it's a little, it's a little of what Tim Scott is
00:48:36.420
going for and a little what Donald Trump is going for. And we've seen that work for him in Florida,
00:48:40.360
where he's able to put up crazy numbers, um, and help other Republicans in the state put up
00:48:44.960
crazy numbers with all of the demographics that you sort of need in a post-Trump Republican party,
00:48:50.420
keeping the working class, keeping minority voters that have come in the Trump coalition,
00:48:54.380
while also getting some of those suburban voters, um, who are, are fairly well off and maybe a little
00:49:00.840
touchy on the culture wars and want, uh, what feels like a return to normalcy while also addressing
00:49:06.220
some of these really serious problems, but not getting bogged down in divisiveness, uh, as they see
00:49:11.780
it. So that's the, the DeSantis recipe here. Can he do that with Florida being a fairly representative
00:49:17.600
bellwether state? Um, is that a recipe for like translating what worked in Florida across the
00:49:23.500
country? I don't know. We're going to see, I think some of his personal, um, like, as you say,
00:49:28.980
peculiarities, personality issues, you know, is he the warm, fuzzy politician? Uh, probably not,
00:49:35.240
but I also think some of that is overstated because when he gets out on a stage, people say he's not the
00:49:41.120
best debater, but like when he's going back and forth with a report with a reporter, when he's
00:49:45.440
riffing, um, on his own, I do think he's, he's pretty good. The question is whether anyone can,
00:49:52.300
uh, contrast with Trump in a way that gives them longevity, because that just didn't happen in 2015,
00:49:59.100
2016. Um, when you have a chunk of the Republican party that is absolutely wedded to Donald Trump for
00:50:05.500
some, you know, perfectly legitimate reasons as voters, if you talk to people, they have their reasons
00:50:09.800
and they're reasonable and based in, um, some really tough things that have happened in the
00:50:13.940
country. Uh, if you can't peel any of those people away from Donald Trump and you're splitting the
00:50:18.980
rest of the vote between, uh, Ron DeSantis, Tim Scott, Nikki Haley, Sanunu, whoever else thinks
00:50:26.320
they're getting in this race. I forgot about Lisa Hutchinson, whoever else, John Bolton. Don't
00:50:31.320
forget. He announced on good morning Syria or whatever it was. Yeah. And yeah. So, so that
00:50:36.240
leaves, you know, most Republican voters didn't vote for Trump in the 2016 primary. Um, they voted
00:50:42.000
for other options, but it was such a crowded field that Trump consolidated with his base. And so that's
00:50:46.900
a, continues to be a huge problem for anyone who isn't Donald Trump. I mean, if you took the numbers
00:50:52.260
of all those people, Eliana, that we just named, you know, that long laundry list of GOP candidates
00:50:57.160
who have announced even just thus far, it'd probably give you some pretty high percentages.
00:51:01.500
Um, you know, Donald Trump, again, as I say, the latest poll, I think was 61%. So you got what? 39%
00:51:07.540
who are thinking, no, someone other than Trump that leaves an opportunity, but not with that many
00:51:13.580
candidates. I mean, if I were DeSantis, I'd be looking at all those numbers saying that I could
00:51:16.780
get that 39% and I could grow it and I could rest this thing from Trump, but it requires the small
00:51:24.980
We'll see what happens. You know, the others could drop out or they may, uh, cling onto this
00:51:33.220
until the better end. We did see a lot of people drop out in 2016 in the end, you know, was basically
00:51:38.580
Ted Cruz, Donald Trump. And I think John Kasich hung on until the very, very, very end. Um, but we have
00:51:44.340
to have a race, um, first and, you know, Megan, as important as the DeSantis candidacy might be for
00:51:50.700
the country, uh, it'll also be very important for the Republican party. Um, if he is successful,
00:51:56.860
um, that would mean he removes Donald Trump as the most important, um, person and force in Paul in,
00:52:04.340
uh, in the Republican party and as a extraordinarily important force in the country. Um, and we'll see
00:52:12.100
if he's successful at that, but, but the stakes are very high.
00:52:15.280
One thing that cannot happen is if DeSantis announces, as we expect tomorrow night, CNN may
00:52:22.400
not host him for a town hall. Absolutely not. And I actually am not even totally joking because
00:52:30.280
they might lose the remaining four viewers. They have, they, they have no more viewers.
00:52:36.260
There are more people on this panel that are viewing CNN.
00:52:39.000
It's like, throw them, throw them a lifeline here. It's unbelievable. Like I want to bring
00:52:47.200
you through the actual numbers because they, they truly are shocking. Um, let me just lead with this.
00:52:52.060
My good pal, Eric Bowling, who hosts the 8 PM hour over at Newsmax is beating CNN. This is
00:52:58.360
unprecedented. And just so the audience at home knows, I think it's up maybe 25 million more homes
00:53:04.800
have CNN than have Newsmax. So Eric Bowling is fighting with one arm tied behind his back and
00:53:12.940
he's winning. He's beating from the Newsmax anchor desk, Anderson Cooper on CNN. It's extraordinary.
00:53:22.620
And it's a combination of two things. Uh, Tucker got fired while he's not fired. He's still working
00:53:28.000
at Fox news. He's just not actually working. Um, but Tucker got booted off the air and the viewers
00:53:33.260
are angry and they're finding other outlets, whether it's Newsmax and Eric or places like
00:53:36.940
this. Um, they're finding alternatives and Eric, you know, they know Eric from Fox. He
00:53:41.440
would be an acceptable alternative. I think for most of those viewers and he's a, he's a
00:53:44.760
great guy and he's a solid anchor. And so there he goes, he's off to the races. But meanwhile,
00:53:48.680
then CNN hosts this town hall with Trump. Their audience has evaporated, right? So Eric's benefiting
00:53:56.060
from some of that move over from Fox and CNN. They're evaporated. They're gone. I don't know
00:54:00.820
where the CNNers went. Some to MSNBC, I guess, but listen to this. Okay. This is from daily beast,
00:54:06.640
Justin Barragona, uh, who reports, um, more than a week after CNN's disastrous town hall with Trump,
00:54:12.400
the negative impact the fiasco had on the network's ratings is coming into clearer focus.
00:54:16.120
Last week, uh, CNN suffered its lowest rated week since June, 2015. That was right around when they
00:54:24.040
started to take Trump nonstop at every campaign rally to drive their numbers up, averaging just
00:54:29.780
429,000 total daily viewers, 429. That should be their demo. That should be their overall number.
00:54:39.260
They're not even cracking half a million in the overall CNN was also down double digits compared to
00:54:45.960
the same week last year in both total viewership and in the key demo of 25 to 54. Um, hold on a second.
00:54:52.400
They talk about the Fox news plummeting, which we've already discussed. Then they talk about Chris
00:54:56.520
Wallace. He's on Friday nights. Now they tried him on the weekends. It was terrible. Literally. Nobody's
00:55:00.980
watching that show. They moved him to Friday night. Chris Wallace averaged 224,000 total viewers. My
00:55:09.700
God, 200. It's so sad. Emily Jasinski. That's the right face. She's got the sad face on. It's the sad.
00:55:15.780
It's that 224,000 and 45,000 in the demo. It's a slashy Abby. It's officially the slashies. I told
00:55:26.960
the audience back on Fox, you know, you, you'd look at the competition over at MSNBC or wherever,
00:55:31.640
and you'd always kind of snicker when they got down below 50,000 because you don't even, it doesn't
00:55:38.100
show up on the ratings. It's just double slash marks, slashies. It's everyone's worst nightmare.
00:55:42.660
Chris Wallace on CNN is getting slashies in the key demo, um, and also losing to Newsmax. Newsmax
00:55:52.780
is overtaking CNN true existential crisis. Ladies, what do you make of it? Well, that reminds me of
00:56:00.340
the Harvard Harris poll we were just talking about, because if you look at Anderson Cooper,
00:56:03.740
Chris Wallace, these are people who have enormous credibility in the corporate press. These are people
00:56:08.680
that get, uh, nice profiles written about them that are taken very seriously and sort of the
00:56:13.100
vaunted corridors of power and the Acela corridor in general. And so that's remarkable that the country
00:56:19.480
is actually rejecting who the corporate press tells them they must take the most seriously. I think
00:56:24.480
that the name of Chris Wallace's show is who's talking to Chris Wallace. Uh, people can talk all
00:56:29.200
they want. Who's listening to Chris Wallace is actually the real question there. And, um, I,
00:56:33.560
I think it's with CNN. You made Abby spit up her drink. She liked that one, EJ.
00:56:37.840
You're welcome. Um, I'm, I'm, you're all, but, uh, it's the, the, the CNN had this like niche
00:56:43.540
audience during the Trump administration. It's like, why was Stephen Colbert the number one,
00:56:47.740
uh, late night host during most of the Trump administration, despite being the least funny
00:56:51.800
and the most political, it's the antithesis of the Johnny Carson model, but it's because with cable
00:56:56.500
and streaming, everything is a niche now. And CNN had somewhat of a niche anti-Trump resistance audience,
00:57:02.140
like, uh, Stephen Colbert did during the Trump administration. Chris Licht comes in and says,
00:57:07.000
we're going to go back to old CNN. People are going to tune into us for Ukraine war coverage
00:57:10.600
that they can trust to be right down the middle. Well, you can try to rebuild an audience,
00:57:14.700
but you're probably going to lose the niche audience that you, uh, the, the small little
00:57:19.020
niche audience that you had when you're trying to transition back to mass media, it's just not going
00:57:23.880
to work. And that never has panned out for him because he can't, uh, he's throwing the baby out
00:57:29.140
with the bathwater. You can't have both. You can't have woke resistance liberals as your audience.
00:57:33.880
And then also try to do neutral stuff because you're going to lose the woke resistance liberals.
00:57:37.840
Um, and then while you're trying to keep them and like stave the bleeding, you're not going to bring
00:57:43.160
in the new viewers. This is why Eliana, Jeff Zucker was the grim reaper of CNN. He killed it.
00:57:49.880
He killed it. They had a more moderate audience. No, it wasn't a huge one,
00:57:53.400
but he drove every right of center viewer away entirely. There's not one still watching that
00:58:00.360
channel. And now Chris Lick comes in to try to win them back over and does something like
00:58:05.600
hosting the leading presidential candidate on the GOP side for a town hall where we might explore
00:58:10.540
his views. And the audience is so angry. What, what little they had left has totally abandoned them.
00:58:17.520
They're like, no. So how do you, what, how do you build a business? How do you build a media business
00:58:22.700
based on that? I'm with you. Um, the one exception I would take is that the article you read from the
00:58:30.220
Daily Beast said it, you know, basically pinned the audience decline to the hosting of the town hall.
00:58:35.320
Um, I think that's total crap. The audience, uh, decline, you know, they, they've struggled with
00:58:40.200
audience, um, for a long time now. And the audience is terrible because the programming is terrible.
00:58:46.120
And Jeff Zucker in a way boxed in his successors, because as you guys were talking about,
00:58:51.760
he created a brand and for Chris Lick, the new CEO and president to pivot away from that,
00:58:57.760
he can't do it with the same people. Um, Jake Tapper and all those others, they are brand Don
00:59:02.860
Lemon. Those guys are branded as anti-Trump resistance heroes. Now you can tell them to be
00:59:08.240
straight news. Um, but like for folks like us who were watching, you know, we remember what they
00:59:13.280
were saying four years ago. And for all the Republicans who were treated like crap and
00:59:17.240
stopped going on the network, um, you need new people. And I think to me, that's where, um,
00:59:23.260
Lick's struggles have been the greatest. Like who's a new, interesting person who's on the air
00:59:27.240
over there. Um, he's moved Caitlin Collins around to like five different shows. Cause she's kind of
00:59:31.920
the only person who's not a lunatic on that network. Um, but other than that, like he just shuffling
00:59:37.400
deck chairs around and there is no, you know, Charles Barkley and Gail King, like that's kind
00:59:42.140
of interesting for one hour, um, of the entire week. But other than that, like it is pretty hard
00:59:48.320
to be like, Hey, Jake Tapper, you know, you're not a hater anymore. You're going to serve them
00:59:53.040
right down the middle. Uh, that's tough. What about, I mean, Wolf Blitzer, Anderson Cooper,
00:59:58.840
Brianna Keillor, my God, she, she was the biggest hater of all, not to mention Jim Acosta. Like
01:00:05.160
they're, they're up and down the lineup still, all the Trump haters. And yeah, you don't have
01:00:08.480
to have that long a memory, uh, to remember that they hate not just Trump, but the right half of
01:00:12.780
the country. Um, I'll say a word in defense of Jake Tapper, who I actually like, I think he's left,
01:00:17.740
but I think he's a left, he's on the left, but I think he's, he at least tries to be fair. I know
01:00:21.660
people don't agree with me, but that's how I see him. Um, I have to follow up on your reference of
01:00:27.520
Gail King. I wasn't sure we were going to go there ladies, but we're going there. Gail King. All right.
01:00:32.400
She's the answer to CNN's fair and balanced problem. I don't think so. I don't think so.
01:00:37.000
Gail King was at, um, the Preakness this past weekend. This is not sound on tape, right guys?
01:00:43.820
This is just something she said, I think. And, um, she, she said she's taking issue with people
01:00:50.260
calling out Megan and Harry for their lies, their lies about the car chase, the fake car chase that
01:00:55.240
never happened. The Russiagate of New York paparazzi. Um, she says she has real concerns
01:01:02.000
about people questioning this story. And what's really important is how the couple felt. How did
01:01:08.020
they feel? That's really what we should be focused on. Um, I'll get the exact quote. Let's see.
01:01:14.100
Oh, blah, blah. Well, I don't have it in front of me, but trust me, that's what she said. And she wants
01:01:19.200
us to really try to have more empathy for this couple. Now this reminded me of something
01:01:23.220
that somebody was saying recently, um, to be honest with you, it was an exercise class that
01:01:28.760
I take and they have like these young women up there and they try to offer these little
01:01:32.880
profundities. And most of them are like 22 years old and haven't done anything or suffered anything,
01:01:36.820
but okay, it's fine. Whatever. It's a distraction from this jumping jacks. And, and the one was saying
01:01:41.800
like judgment, you know, is a negative force. You should feel sorry for people who, who judge others.
01:01:48.380
And I was like, I judge others. You shouldn't feel sorry for me. I judge others because
01:01:52.980
some people deserve to be judged. These two telling lies about our city in order to gin up
01:01:58.560
fake sympathies for themselves so they can promote their own brand. I judge them. I do. And I have no
01:02:02.580
apologies to make for it. And I'll continue judging that. I hope more people judge them.
01:02:06.000
Um, so this all goes down, uh, in the wake of her accepting, which I wanted to run by you,
01:02:12.900
a woman of vision award. And I just went back just to see like, what the hell was she doing?
01:02:18.500
Like at the heart of all this, why was she even in our city? And it was a glorious Steinem award to
01:02:23.320
her for her vision. You see, because she represents women and feminism and female empowerment. And
01:02:30.920
this is how, you know, that's true. In introducing Megan at the event, uh, the person from Ms. Magazine
01:02:36.540
highlighted the Duchess's tenacity and her status as a cultural catalyst. Okay. Okay. You ready?
01:02:45.700
Just like totally vapid, empty words, just like the Duchess. Her core belief that representation
01:02:51.780
matters, her connection to community through the lens of learning, healing, and inspiring have helped
01:02:59.240
define her as a cultural catalyst for positive change. What a bunch of psychobabble. It's absolutely
01:03:06.860
empty content. She said nothing about anyone tonight. We are thrilled to recognize Megan's strength,
01:03:13.360
resilience, passion, and tenacity. It's starting to sound like a Kamala Harris speech,
01:03:18.480
which is critical to building a better world for our mothers, our grandmothers, our children,
01:03:23.420
and their children and ourselves. So does that clear it up for you? Why Megan was honored and found
01:03:29.900
herself the subject of such intense paparazzi coverage that everyone needs to feel sorry for
01:03:35.120
her and accept her lies as true per Gayle King. Emily thoughts.
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I mean, yeah, first of all, it's very important to judge people in positions of power. It's the
01:03:43.460
one thing our media does too little of, and Gayle King is a great example of that. She was partying
01:03:47.620
on, I think it was David Geffen's yacht with the Obamas during the Obama administration and then
01:03:52.600
covering the Obama administration for CBS this morning. So that should give you a taste of how
01:03:57.700
seriously she takes journalism, how serious CBS takes journalism. She's in the same social circle
01:04:02.440
with Harry and Meghan. ABC, we all remember, gave Oprah a platform to do an allegedly purportedly
01:04:08.460
tough interview with Meghan Markle. See, that was CBS too.
01:04:11.760
Oh, there you go. CBS. CBS gives Oprah a platform. They're personal friends. Meghan Markle,
01:04:18.640
Prince Harry, and Oprah are personal friends. Gayle King is personal friends with Oprah. I'm sure she's
01:04:22.800
had personal interactions with Prince Harry and Meghan Markle. So if that's CNN's answer to bringing
01:04:29.180
some seriousness back to their journalism and boosting their credibility or at least their
01:04:33.620
intrigue as journalists or as journalism, it's insane. If that's the person, I think it's crazy
01:04:39.560
that CBS puts Gayle King on that show to this day, given all of her various conflicts of interest.
01:04:44.400
And so what you don't hear in that list from Miss Magazine, which I didn't even realize still existed,
01:04:49.780
I'm shocked that it survived to this point, I guess. But what you didn't hear is a single
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accomplishment. Maybe they said it and I just didn't hear it. But what has she done?
01:04:57.900
Open to list. When that way she opened the suitcase on deal or no deal. Don't underestimate
01:05:02.640
that, Emily. Stop it. I shouldn't because that is so it is so inspiring when you're able to
01:05:09.120
actually make. She figured out the codes. She unlocked it like that. With the world watching
01:05:14.540
and as a woman. She's made it look easy. Oh, my gosh. It's not easy.
01:05:19.460
This I've got I've got I've gotten the Gayle King soundbite. And here's why it matters. I mean,
01:05:24.800
to me, this directly relates to what we saw. Speaking of that town hall at the town hall
01:05:28.400
on the subject of E. Jean Carroll. Right. You're not allowed to disbelieve. You're not allowed to
01:05:33.420
you. When somebody says they're a victim, you accept. That's it. Period. Unless they happen to
01:05:37.800
be a Republican, in which case we need to run down all of our all of our avenues of investigation.
01:05:44.540
Here's what Gayle said. It was a very unfortunate incident. It's troubling to me that anyone would try
01:05:48.880
to downplay what it would mean to them. It is unsettling that some are trying to minimize how
01:05:58.940
Harry and Meghan felt in that moment. No, we're not. We're not. We don't believe them, Gayle. We don't
01:06:07.100
believe that they were fearful. We don't believe any part of their story. We believe they enjoy
01:06:11.660
portraying themselves as victims and that that's what they were doing here. The reason the audience
01:06:15.980
in the Trump town hall laughed when he told his bit about E. Jean Carroll and how absurd it would
01:06:20.340
be that there'd be this sexual assault in the middle of Bergdorf Goodman dressing room is because
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they don't believe E. Jean Carroll and they're not required to. We don't have to believe Jean Carroll
01:06:29.760
and we don't have to believe Meghan Markle. And it's not for Gayle King, a supposed journalist,
01:06:34.900
to judge the rest of us and our discernment on these, at least in the case of Meghan and Harry,
01:06:40.600
100% non-truth tellers. Your thoughts? Also, the person who minimized their experience was the
01:06:48.200
driver. It was the lowly cab driver who was driving them around and said, this actually wasn't as bad
01:06:55.920
as they say it is. And so, yeah. And for a news reporter to say that is so absurd. Either they
01:07:04.560
were hounded by the paparazzi or they weren't hounded by the paparazzi. You know, it's a different sort of
01:07:10.560
interview to ask how this made you feel and not something that, you know, we can choose whether
01:07:16.180
or not to care about how they felt. But that was not the subject of these news reports.
01:07:22.020
No, it's absurd. And like, I don't who gives it. I don't care. Even if they were panicked,
01:07:27.260
they panic over everything. I mean, we saw them panic in their little movie about one guy in a
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Vespa. Grow up, grow a pair. Okay. Speaking of the media, now we've had another, this has
01:07:38.500
escaped the notice of some, but we've had another Nick Sandman moment in our media over the past
01:07:44.740
couple of weeks. This one involves yet another quote, Karen. All right. This is what the term
01:07:50.460
they use to describe any white woman who gets into a negative encounter with any person of color,
01:07:55.460
whether the white woman's right or wrong. If she complains, she's a Karen. Okay, fine.
01:08:00.480
Um, there was a woman who's being called city bank, bike city bike, Karen, because in New York,
01:08:08.460
if you want to bike around, you can get these like sort of public bikes, uh, called city bikes.
01:08:14.200
And this woman was down to like the last bike and went over to get the bike and chaos ensued. Um,
01:08:23.700
we've got a video of it. Forgive me. I'm looking up her name, Sarah Comrie, Sarah Comrie,
01:08:28.600
C-O-M-R-I-E. She was a physician's assistant who worked at Bellevue. She is six months pregnant and
01:08:35.260
she says she rented and reserved this last bike and that she had paid for this last bike. And you
01:08:41.400
will see her in this video surrounded by a couple of black teenagers. They say they are teenagers.
01:08:46.620
They, they look like, you know, young men to me. Um, they could be 18, 19. I don't know,
01:08:51.600
but there's a confrontation and a disagreement over whose bike it is. And I'll show you a bit of the
01:08:58.600
The whole thing, please help me, please help me, please help me, help, please get off me.
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Why you took his phone? What's wrong with you? Don't touch his phone.
01:09:27.600
You putting, you putting your stomach on my head.
01:10:31.600
That's the 90 second video that has ruined this young woman's life.
01:10:34.600
Um, she's been placed on leave by her employer with some ridiculous statement.
01:10:43.600
Uh, we are aware of the video involving a healthcare provider off duty and away from the
01:10:52.600
The provider is currently out on leave and will remain on leave pending a review.
01:10:56.600
As a health system, we are committed to providing an environment for our patients
01:11:00.600
and staff that is free from discrimination of any kind.
01:11:09.600
What they're accusing their own staffer of being racist in that encounter.
01:11:14.600
And the, so many jumped on board this enter Benjamin Crump.
01:11:18.600
I mean, Al Sharpton, I'm sure is two seconds away from tweeting.
01:11:21.600
Benjamin Crump tweets out, this is unacceptable.
01:11:24.600
A white woman was caught on camera attempting to steal a city bike from a young black man in
01:11:35.600
She grossly tried to weaponize her tears to paint this man as a threat.
01:11:40.600
This is exactly the type of behavior that has endangered so many black men in the past.
01:11:48.600
He does have hands on her, but she's endangering the black men by yelling help,
01:11:56.600
Uh, there's this person named Monique judge who writes for the griot and other left wing
01:12:06.600
This is how she begins her piece white women's.
01:12:11.600
White women's tears have a long history of causing black death in this country.
01:12:19.600
She writes with one of my good friends and she made the following astute observation.
01:12:23.600
You put a white woman in a situation and a Karen will come out.
01:12:34.600
She's the latest Karen and just excoriates this woman for her racism.
01:12:41.600
She ends her piece by saying, um, everyone knows she's on leave from Bellevue hospital as
01:12:47.600
Now everyone knows she could have caused harm to these young men.
01:12:51.600
And now Sarah Jane Comrie is in the find out portion of the game.
01:12:55.600
I hope she gets everything that's coming to her.
01:13:06.600
Her lawyer has now gone on a media, a media tour showing everyone and all of the media,
01:13:12.600
which is definitely against Sarah Comrie ran it down with city bike to see if the receipt
01:13:18.600
And if she really did have the right to the bike, guess what?
01:13:25.600
Those guys were in the wrong trying to claim that it was theirs when it wasn't.
01:13:29.600
And we know, was she a little odd seeming in the video?
01:13:46.600
I'm sure she's feeling emotional to begin with.
01:13:48.600
We all know you get a little spicy when you got a little baby growing inside of you.
01:13:52.600
And for once, Benjamin Crump had to delete a tweet amazingly, but no apology.
01:14:00.600
I falsely condemned you as a racist white Karen, which was unfair to you and every woman named
01:14:15.600
Yeah, I was actually working on an essay on this yesterday and I was thinking about how
01:14:20.600
unnatural it is for us to look at these like quick clips.
01:14:24.600
And then like Benjamin Crump, he's an attorney.
01:14:27.600
What is he doing posting an instantaneous reaction that smears someone worldwide?
01:14:32.600
Because on Twitter, you have an international audience based on this tiny little clip and
01:14:37.600
based on this predicate that there's racial animus involved when he truly has absolutely no
01:14:46.600
But we know we've seen this happen so many times.
01:14:48.600
Covington Catholic and Nick Sandman is a great example how clips can be deceitful.
01:14:53.600
And so the fact that an attorney, let alone one with a lot of power and attention on his
01:14:58.600
platform, would jump in, I think, tells us so much about how social media has conditioned
01:15:03.600
us to start weighing in on these situations that we don't know any of the people involved.
01:15:09.600
But yet many of us feel perfectly comfortable smearing them as racists in a way that pushes
01:15:15.600
their employer to suspend them from work without any evidence.
01:15:19.600
And I mean, if you take the if you take the the races of the people involved here out of the
01:15:26.600
equation, you have a group of young men getting physical with one woman who's on the other
01:15:31.600
side of the dispute, whether she's right or wrong.
01:15:33.600
It's become intimidating that you see how long it takes anyone to intervene in the situation,
01:15:39.600
period, because the incentives of how we interact with each other are shifted when
01:15:46.600
Now, who would want to intervene in the light of what happened in the very complicated
01:15:51.600
Daniel Penny situation on the subway, which is on everybody in New York City's mind?
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Who would want to intervene when someone is actually in need of help?
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When you know that your life, your family's life, your children, you could all be smeared
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and have to change your name and move to some rural area because of all of this stuff.
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And this is another really good example of how truly screwed up.
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Social media has fueled some incredible dysfunction in our society.
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Eliana, this raging racist Monique judge doubles down when Benjamin Crump has had to delete his
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But no, in a piece dated today, May 23rd, she complains that racist trolls from all across
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the Internet are currently overrunning the comments section of my website, my newsletter
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They're angry because I've dared to speak openly and honestly about Sarah Jane Comrie,
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What a racist this person is, how this person writes for any publication is beyond me.
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This person should not be writing for any publication that is easily accessible.
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She says, side note, we really should be calling these women Carolyn or Carolin's since the behavior
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they're emulating when they pull these stunts is akin to that of Carolyn Bryant.
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This type of behavior is dangerous and could lead to physical harm and even death for black
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And we need to be calling it out every time we see it.
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They're all up in arms in defense of Sarah Jane Comrie, a woman whose behavior evidenced
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in the 90 second video was reminiscent of so many white women before her who have weaponized
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their whiteness and their tears to create drama problems and even death for black people
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And she goes on to say accountability is like kryptonite to whiteness.
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Whiteness does not like being held accountable.
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Whiteness does not like seeing white people being held accountable.
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My God, this is the shit poured down on this pregnant woman just for trying to actually claim
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It is crazy how these small clips of interactions blow up on social media.
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And then it drives me nuts that everybody, whether you're on the right or the left, there's a
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rush to cram the situation into whatever your prior, you know, your prior views are.
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And so on the left, this was an example of racism.
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On the right, you know, the woman was assaulted.
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And we actually, you know, the facts are coming out now.
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But this happened a week ago, you know, the and the facts are just trickling out.
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And very few people, I think, take the posture that let's actually wait and see what happened
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here. And this happens every time there's a police shooting, every time there's some kind
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I will say on this one, you know, when it came out like you don't see a lot of pregnant
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woman women approaching groups of black men and trying to steal things from them.
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There's not like this vast epidemic of that happening.
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And so it was just sort of odd on its face, like the story that was going around on social
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media that this woman approached a group of young men, pregnant woman approached a group
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of young men and was trying to rest a bike out of their hands seemed questionable.
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But like, hey, you know, willing to wait and see all of the evidence and see where we land
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But like, but, you know, now for the left, like, let's just jam it into all of our
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You know, this this this has gotten people murdered.
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No, it's like you remember like when I was pregnant.
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I went around starting street fights all the time.
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So like, OK, at at best, there was a misunderstanding.
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I'm going to say at best a good faith misunderstanding by both sides.
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But you can't that can't be the case because she's white and these guys were black.
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I hope that lawyer representing her actually does file a lawsuit.
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We can get down the list of stuff that people try to, as you point out, drive into their priors
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to the to the detriment of the nation, to the detriment of its all.
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And this kind of stuff actually is going to get somebody hurt.
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And I know that this woman Monique wants to say, oh, it's always going to be the black
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In this particular case, it's going to be the white woman who's six months pregnant with
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She didn't deserve what happened to her in that scene.
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She doesn't deserve to be smeared by these leftists with an agenda who have the power
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And then CNN, the others, they got sued by Nick Sandman.
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Still, you got publications running with this running.
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A lot of the media ratings, readership, not so hot.
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And I think that speaks to how deeply rooted the ideology is among a section of their workforce
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and even among the C-suite classes terrified of that section of their workforce.
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And so I think that's an important element of all of this in social media.
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The way it's designed taps very deeply into some of our worst impulses as human beings.
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So that's also partially why we don't learn from any of this, because we're addicted to these platforms that are like like tapping into our worst chemical, physical, chemical impulses.
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And it's just like we get caught in these cycles.
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And to your point, Megan, people actually have already gotten hurt by it.
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Like the lies that were told about Jacob Blake wrecked Kenosha, not far from where I grew up.
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Like people like real people, working class people had their property destroyed.
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People's lives were changed forever for the worst because of all of that.
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And so, yes, it's it's absolutely true that it is destroying the country and like lives are actually on the line with this nonsense.
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And it's going to happen more and more because we just we can't learn from it.
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Yeah. Meanwhile, these guys, I mean, she says that they touched her.
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You could see at least they touched the bike and that one of them was saying that her baby was going to be born, quote, retarded.
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And it was supposed to be looking at like these poor guys, these poor, poor gentlemanly young guys who that mean, evil, racist Karen was trying to hurt, waging the war with her big pregnant belly.
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All right. Stand by. There's more to get to more with Emily and Eliana right after this quick break.
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I challenge this committee to produce any witness or evidence against me.
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And if they do not, I hope they will have the decency to clear my name with the same publicity with which they now have besmirched it.
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That was, of course, a clip from the godfather, Michael Corleone there testifying for Congress.
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Now back to the EJs. Honestly, the man has a point.
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The man has a point. He has a point. I mean, tell it to Central Park Karen or City Bike Karen.
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Right. I hope I hope all these people will go clear her good name with the same publicity with which they besmirched it.
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OK. In addition to the godfather, I got to tell you a quick story. OK, now there is an advertiser named Green Chef and they are trying to get a position in advertising on this show.
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And they like all the advertisers, they'll send me the thing to see if I like it, you know, because I don't want to tell everybody to go buy it if I don't think it's good.
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And so they sent me some meals. All right. Now, let me just give you like just a couple of minutes on what happened to me.
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So on Friday night, Doug made most of the meal and they said it was going to be 25 minutes.
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It was longer than 25 minutes. I helped out, too, but it was mostly Doug.
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And Doug's actually pretty good at making meals. He's got like the thing.
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You make good drinks. You can make good meals. I don't have the thing.
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And I was like, oh, this is kind of hard. So it's all kind of a lot of work. But Doug was doing most of it.
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So anyway, long story short, we served it and it was like chicken over noodles and it was delicious.
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It was gourmet. It was like the best thing we've ever made. Look at this.
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I'm telling you, it was legit. I'm like, I'm totally going to advertise with this company.
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I love, love, love their meal. Then then we had, you know, two more.
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So Sunday night rolls around and we made the next meal. And that was Doug.
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Doug volunteered to do that one on his own. I'm like, great. Love you, babe. Thanks so much.
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And not surprisingly, it turned out great. It was amazing. It was another chicken dish.
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And this one had like spinach with it. And I can't remember exactly what it was called, but look at it.
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Absolutely tasty. The spices they give you make or break the dish. And in this case, they make it.
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So I'm like, we're on a roll. I'm like, honey, I got the next one.
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There's a third meal. I'm going to make it. So, you know, me in the kitchen, it doesn't go well.
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It never goes well. It's literally never gone well. So I go in there. I'm following the directions and
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it's like some Mediterranean dish. I'm like, okay, I can make it. It's got like hummus. It's got a
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bunch of veggies. So I'm following the directions. I'm cutting. I'm, there's all so much cutting and
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I'm slicing and I'm dicing and I'm mixing and I'm adding olive oil and the spices and all the stuff.
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And I do the right bowls, just like they told me, this is my work in progress. And I, and it took me
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longer than 25 minutes. Cause it's me. I'm like, this is a lot of work. I can actually, this is more
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than I bargained for, but I think I'm getting, I'm doing it. I can't wait to serve this amazing
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dish up to my family. And I looked down and I made salad. I literally made salad. It took me an hour.
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I didn't realize all I was making was an appetizer.
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Wasn't a good salad. And once again, for the second mom will cook a vegetarian meal in a row
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on a Monday, we ordered a pizza the second week in a row. But Doug goes, the kids are really loving
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vegetarian night, honey. It's turned into sausage pizza two weeks in a row. So do you ladies cook?
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I mean, is it just me? No, no, no. Those meal services are, they're really hit or miss,
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but cooking I found in the social media era is actually a really good way to just put your phone
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down. Cause you can't really text and cook. It's a good way to just kind of like unwind at the end
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of the day. And I never was a big, I was never really into cooking. Oh my gosh, Emily. Yes.
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You, you can come over to my house and unwind while you cook me dinner. And I will sit there
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and lay back and have a glass of wine. Cause that is not how I unwind. Oh my gosh.
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Well, we unwind with Bravo Eliana and I do that too. Yes. When I hear people like, Oh,
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it's just so relaxing to cook up this beautiful meal and serve it to people. I know, no, there's
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no cooking going on. Um, it is very rudimentary, very, very rudimentary. Like, you know, the roasted
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chicken from the deli section and some rice. Oh, Oh, have you, do you follow Emily Zanotti
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on Twitter? Emily Zanotti, Fox news. She's got three toddlers. That bitch is cooking up a storm,
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a gourmet meal every night. I don't know how she does it. I, I, that roasted chicken. She posted
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on like in my wildest dreams. I know I'm not going to be able to do this. I'm so envious of her. I
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worked up a sweat, making a salad. It was a salad. Once again, back to the pizza. Anyway,
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it's a sad, sad story. And I'm in a debate right now in my own head about whether I should just
01:28:00.880
hire somebody to help me because apparently even with green chef, which has given me amazing
01:28:06.280
ingredients and they've idiot proof, the instructions, I still can't nail it. I just
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wanted you to know that. Um, Megan, let's have Emily cook for us. She can relax and cook and we
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can relax, have a glass of wine. Yes. And we can watch Bravo.
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Yeah. Yeah. Wouldn't that be good. I'll just listen.
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You guys are Bravo. And I love the real housewives of Miami love. If you're not watching it,
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you're missing out. Um, not the, not the old episodes. You have to watch the recent episodes.
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Okay. Speaking of women and the troubles we go through, um, they're having the con film festival
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right now. And it's always kind of interesting to see, like, is there a big hit, you know,
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that's going to come our way that we might actually be interested in. They said that there was
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a Leonardo DiCaprio movie with Martin Scorsese. They got like a 12 minute standing ovation,
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probably just because he's, these big stars are in it, but whatever. Okay. We'll see what that's
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all about. Um, what's making headlines right now for all the wrong reasons is the fashion. All right.
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Julia Fox, Irina shake, and a couple of others are stealing the headlines for their non clothing.
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They're naked. They showed up at the events naked. This one woman, Julia Fox, um, actually had
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no bra and no shirt on. Um, this is, this is one of the pictures we could show you. We couldn't get
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the rates to the other picture, but in the real picture, it's totally, she's as the left would
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say, she freed the nipple. Well, we didn't need her nipple to be free. Uh, I didn't need to see the
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nipple, uh, the nipple. It's not that great a nipple. I didn't want to see it while I was just
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searching online for the news, but there it is. Then the other gal, Irina shake, who used to date,
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um, I don't know. Is it Matthew McConaughey? Bradley Cooper. There we go. They're kind of
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the same person. Um, same thing that the little leather, just a little leather strap across the
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nipple. That's it. Look at this outfit. This is like, where, where is their modesty? Like I,
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I know I sound old and I understand like that they're models and they get attention, but like,
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why do they feel the need to do this to bear it all? Right. I recognize NASA is not calling them
01:30:11.040
for their thoughts on nuclear physics and they're not rushing off the con red carpet to go to their
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mensa meeting. Okay. I get it. I get it. But does that mean that they have to totally sacrifice
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class and dignity and elegance because our girls are watching this crap. Our girls are watching this.
01:30:28.200
Look at this. This is her not at the pool. This is her walking through the hotel lobby.
01:30:32.600
And I like, I don't, what kind of message are they sending? Right? Like what it's look at me,
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look at my underwear, look at my nipple, look at my under boob. I I'm like what I don't care to see
01:30:43.860
it. What, what I, what I would really like to see is something else. Discretion, some discretion.
01:30:49.140
There's the model Ashley Graham doing the same ass thing. What do you think?
01:30:53.600
Well, the point that they're at con, I think is a really interesting one because this is supposed
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to be like the pinnacle of artistic achievement in cinema. Like this is where people show the,
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the edgiest, the, the most spectacular, um, achievements in cinema, um, every year. And so
01:31:08.660
to have artists, I think come and, uh, be, be celebrated and to be dressed like this by designers,
01:31:15.520
I think speaks to the last concept of, of beauty. Like these are actually, this is a group of people
01:31:20.300
that really should be gatekeeping beauty that should be celebrating beauty. And in a postmodern
01:31:24.360
world, um, what they do mostly is, is tear down beauty and they see beauty as something that is
01:31:29.620
relative. I think this is, uh, particularly the Julia Fox, the Kanye West's ex is a really
01:31:34.660
interesting example of this. Somebody who is seen as, as edgy, someone who's seen as kind of
01:31:39.780
interesting and talented and cutting against the grain in the fashion world. Um, and in the art
01:31:45.800
world, well, if you're really cutting against the grain in the fashion world and the art world,
01:31:49.660
and I've actually had the same thought about some of, of Kanye West stuff, like you should be
01:31:54.000
building up beauty. You should be presenting an image of true beauty of truth, something that is
01:32:00.340
rooted in truth instead of this postmodern relativism that says that is beautiful. That
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is feminine because it's actually not. And it's just a one last quick point. The other side of this
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coin is, is the way Billie Eilish sort of presented herself when she first came into the music scene.
01:32:14.920
She said she dressed like that because seeing people on Instagram dressed in the way that Julia Fox and
01:32:19.680
Ashley Graham were gave her basically body dysmorphia, made her want to cover herself. Um,
01:32:24.960
and we've seen Abigail Schreier has reported that's pushed girls into the social contagion aspect of
01:32:30.900
rapid onset gender dysphoria. Uh, so there are real consequences to, to celebrating this kind of
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dress. It's so unnecessary, Eliana, you can be totally sexy and alluring. Have you ever seen that
01:32:43.660
video online? They post it sometimes of like this woman in this black dress that is sexy,
01:32:48.660
but not revealing walking down the streets of Italy. And like everybody there is like every
01:32:53.760
single man and woman is just stare. Like she's got the thing, you know, she's got the effervescence.
01:32:58.640
It's true beauty and sophistication and sexiness without just the crass, sweaty, try hard feel to it.
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Um, I mean, I don't even really have words for it. It's just like totally vulgar.
01:33:14.660
The first woman is literally wearing a shower curtain, like a see-through shower curtain is what
01:33:21.560
it looks like with like, uh, fuzzy things on it. Um, but I, you know, I remember somebody saying in
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the past that like, you know, men like very vulgar things when they're like 18 or whatever, and
01:33:34.200
probably always, but they graduate to like something more sophisticated and European and French.
01:33:38.760
Like this is like the base level, um, of sexuality and vulgarity that is like not sanded down or refined
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at all. Um, yes, it's so true. It's, it's just, what's next. Absolutely no clothing. Just, just parade
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naked. Fine. Let that be the example. I already see like with the young girls, their dresses are more
01:33:59.900
like belts. You see the bottom. It's like, Oh my God, where's I can see Fanny. Like that's,
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I don't like these examples. I understand. Look, my own daughter will hopefully follow my lead
01:34:09.460
and not dress like this, but I care about more than my daughter. I care about our country and I
01:34:13.040
care about our girls. And this is just crass and sad and classless, Emily and Eliana, the opposite of
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all those things. Love, love, love. And the EJs are here. Thank you so much. Yeah. Thanks for being
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here. And tomorrow we go from the EJs to VDH. Victor Davis Hanson is back with me. There's so much to
01:34:32.680
discuss with him. Target is now in a spiral. They are spiraling over the pushback. They're
01:34:38.340
getting on their trans bathing suit with a tuck, with a pouch that you can tuck your penis,
01:34:45.580
a woman's bathing suit and VDH has thoughts. So that'll be interesting. Uh, please go ahead and
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