The Megyn Kelly Show - Fox News and CNN's Disastrous Ratings, and ＂CitiBike Karen＂ Smears, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson ｜ Ep. 556

00:00:00.400 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:11.640 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.220 Senator Tim Scott is officially in. Ron DeSantis is next. And more could be coming.

00:00:21.620 Plus, Tucker Carlson's camp is teasing a treasure trove of Fox News secrets.

00:00:26.880 And the EJs are back to discuss it all.

00:00:30.460 Emily Jasinski is editor at The Federalist and host of The Federalist NewsHour.

00:00:33.800 Eliana Johnson is editor-in-chief of The Washington Free Beacon and co-host of the Ink Stained Wretches podcast.

00:00:39.640 Emily and Eliana, welcome back to the show.

00:00:43.500 Hey, Megyn.

00:00:44.460 Great to see you.

00:00:46.040 Okay, I forgot to print my outline. Will you print my outline? I'm sorry.

00:00:49.280 I made such a nice outline of the stories that I wanted to discuss with you both.

00:00:53.520 Welcome to the show, and there's a lot to discuss, so let's kick it off with Tim Scott.

00:00:56.680 Because that's the big news of the day.

00:00:58.700 He's in. He's such a nice guy.

00:01:00.780 He is such a nice guy.

00:01:02.420 He told this story when he came on the show last year about how this woman came to apply for work with him.

00:01:09.700 And she was a disaster. 0.99

00:01:11.380 She was just a hot mess in the interview. 1.00

00:01:12.900 She basically started crying in the interview and left and was like, I know I'm not getting it.

00:01:16.160 He tracked her down.

00:01:17.600 Long story short, he gave her the job anyway.

00:01:19.820 She was, I think, working at a—was it an airport?

00:01:23.680 She was working at an airport, like, as a baggage handler.

00:01:26.180 He tracked her down.

00:01:27.040 He was like, come work for me anyway.

00:01:28.100 Now she's his right-hand woman. 0.68

00:01:29.520 Like, that's the kind of guy he is, right?

00:01:31.560 That's the kind of guy he is.

00:01:32.540 Here's just a little bit of how he sounded in making his announcement yesterday.

00:01:36.080 I saw it, is it two or three?

00:01:39.920 Three.

00:01:43.160 Our party and our nation are standing at a time for choosing.

00:01:51.740 Victimhood or victory?

00:01:58.640 Victimhood or victory?

00:02:00.320 Victory!

00:02:00.760 Victimhood or victory?

00:02:06.520 Victory!

00:02:07.480 Grievance or greatness?

00:02:10.860 I choose freedom and hope and opportunity.

00:02:17.220 Will you choose it with me?

00:02:20.120 Let's go!

00:02:23.140 Let's go!

00:02:25.060 Let's go!

00:02:26.700 Let's go!

00:02:28.740 Let's go!

00:02:31.320 Aw.

00:02:32.240 I mean, you're rooting for the guy, right?

00:02:34.240 Because he just seems like such a good guy.

00:02:35.680 Nobody ever has a bad word to say about Tim Scott.

00:02:37.960 But I might say a bad word about Tim Scott.

00:02:40.060 And that is, he has no chance.

00:02:42.040 I mean, that's—I mean, I'm sorry.

00:02:44.560 He could—he might be selected as VP.

00:02:47.100 But realistically, he's not going to overtake Trump.

00:02:49.880 Tim Scott?

00:02:50.760 Maybe Trump goes to jail.

00:02:52.800 But then you've got DeSantis, who's going to, you know, collate the remaining non-Trump vote.

00:02:57.680 Now we're hearing rumblings that Glenn Youngkin is taking a new look at this race, Governor

00:03:02.600 of Virginia.

00:03:03.640 I like Tim Scott, but you guys tell me, does he have enough of a national profile going

00:03:07.440 into this thing that he has a realistic shot at this?

00:03:10.840 I'll start with you, Eliana, on it.

00:03:13.820 We are more than a year out from Election Day, and I do think we should be humble about kind

00:03:20.120 of what we know about where things are going to go.

00:03:22.720 I'm glad he's getting in the race.

00:03:24.200 I'm glad Republican primary voters will have choices.

00:03:27.760 His message, unlike some of the other messages we've heard from the—you know, DeSantis isn't

00:03:32.740 in, but I would say unlike DeSantis' message and unlike Trump's message, is a message of

00:03:37.360 optimism.

00:03:38.540 He has a wonderful life story, and he's somebody, I think, regardless of what happens with his

00:03:44.640 presidential campaign, whose message and who, as a person, is important in the future

00:03:52.580 of the Republican Party.

00:03:53.520 So I'm glad he's running, and we'll see what happens with the campaign.

00:03:57.200 We've seen before, you know, plenty of people catch on, become part of presidential cabinets

00:04:01.300 or be on the ticket, and who knows?

00:04:03.340 Maybe he'll be the nominee.

00:04:04.680 I kind of doubt it like you, Megan, but I do want to be humble in predictions because who

00:04:08.360 would have thought we would end up with Trump as a nominee and as president?

00:04:11.700 Well, it is important to be humble, so thank you for that reminder.

00:04:14.900 Look, it's not to say I wouldn't vote for the guy.

00:04:16.760 I just don't, you know, realistically, I'm just looking at what's in front of him, and it

00:04:20.440 seems insurmountable to me.

00:04:22.140 Emily, you know, I had Charlie Kirk on the show yesterday, and he didn't say this on

00:04:27.400 the show, but he said it in something I was reading in prep, and he said, America doesn't

00:04:32.720 need a nice guy right now. 0.69

00:04:34.880 The GOP doesn't need a nice guy right now.

00:04:38.240 They need a bare-knuckled brawler who's going to say, I know what a woman is. 1.00

00:04:43.980 I know what America is.

00:04:46.360 I know, like, all those things, and really sort of fight these crazy battles that we're

00:04:50.080 being forced to fight right now.

00:04:51.860 Yeah, and Tim Scott's on the banking committee and has a pretty good relationship with business,

00:04:56.680 which in 2012 would have been a complete, like, that's a great thing.

00:05:01.640 That's an asset for a Republican presidential candidate in 2012.

00:05:04.620 Now it's a different story as far as voters are concerned, and there's a real duality to

00:05:09.540 some of the other campaigns.

00:05:10.640 We saw this with Donald Trump.

00:05:11.780 He was make America great again, but he was also American carnage.

00:05:15.820 You see the same thing with Ron DeSantis, where he says, we have all of these extremely serious

00:05:20.560 cultural problems, but we can make America Florida, is where the campaign seems to be going

00:05:25.660 with its messaging strategy.

00:05:26.900 We've heard that actually used.

00:05:28.320 And so Tim Scott really has one side of that.

00:05:31.660 He has the side that we can be hopeful, as that clip you played showed.

00:05:37.020 We can be optimistic about it.

00:05:38.620 But how does that translate into policies?

00:05:41.480 If Charlie Kirk is making that point, that means that's how conservative media is likely

00:05:46.760 to receive Tim Scott.

00:05:47.940 That means it's how a lot of voters are probably likely to receive Tim Scott.

00:05:52.340 So what does the policy look like?

00:05:54.660 What is he going to translate this diagnosis?

00:05:57.900 Does he have the same diagnosis?

00:05:59.720 And if he doesn't, does that mean that he's not going to have policies that crack down

00:06:04.440 on things like corporate DEI, that crack down on all of the things that Trump gave in his

00:06:09.460 famous American carnage inauguration speech that I think captured the mood of the country?

00:06:13.760 Probably better than what Tim Scott just said.

00:06:16.360 That'll probably appeal to some suburban voters.

00:06:18.980 And if you talk to people close to the campaign, they think that they can hold it out.

00:06:22.900 Their best shot is a year from now.

00:06:24.560 Things will be different.

00:06:25.280 Maybe Donald Trump has to drop out for some unforeseen reason.

00:06:28.340 And then Tim Scott will be there waiting in the wings.

00:06:30.640 Again, I'm skeptical of that.

00:06:32.380 But that is their idea of where things could go.

00:06:36.360 You know what's crazy is if it winds up being Trump Biden in the contest, forgive me, but

00:06:41.380 they could both die.

00:06:43.620 Like they're old enough that one might not make it to the actual election day, never mind

00:06:50.000 through a first term or in Biden's case, a second.

00:06:52.500 And I mean, this is something we actually have to factor in when you have presidential candidates

00:06:56.180 who are around 80 years old.

00:06:58.140 And Tim Scott's a young man.

00:06:59.540 I think he's 57.

00:07:01.140 DeSantis is like very young.

00:07:02.880 He's 44.

00:07:04.040 What is he? 0.93

00:07:04.420 Some crazy young, young number. 0.88

00:07:06.560 Depresses me when these people are so much younger than I am.

00:07:09.480 What is he, Steve?

00:07:12.040 Yeah, 44.

00:07:12.820 I got it right.

00:07:13.300 OK.

00:07:14.180 But DeSantis comes in tomorrow.

00:07:16.100 And that's really the sort of biggest and most exciting thing that's happened in the

00:07:19.440 GOP side since Trump's announcement, which wasn't that exciting.

00:07:22.920 It was actually quite boring, as I pointed out at the time.

00:07:25.100 But his entry is always Trump himself is interesting.

00:07:29.420 DeSantis comes in tomorrow, as we understand it.

00:07:31.760 And now that will be a game changer, because while he's been sort of soft running for a

00:07:37.000 while, the announcement, the it's official moment is a momentum builder for any candidate,

00:07:42.640 especially one of the main ones like DeSantis.

00:07:44.560 And I think you need look no further than like the article in Politico, which hit a couple

00:07:50.480 days ago, which was an enormous takedown of DeSantis's wife to realize the mainstream 0.98

00:07:56.740 media recognizes he is a threat.

00:07:59.420 And while everyone wants to write him off as like, no way, can't get past Trump, especially

00:08:03.820 the mainstream media, because they want to run against Trump.

00:08:06.840 The fact that they're now spending some ink trying to take down his lovely wife tells me

00:08:11.360 they're scared.

00:08:12.180 They are scared, Eliana, of this guy, his beautiful family, what he might represent

00:08:16.580 and how it might go if he manages to find a way around Trump.

00:08:22.500 Oh, I was just staring at the pictures of their beautiful photogenic family, which is

00:08:28.940 why I didn't jump in and respond.

00:08:30.380 But yes, let me I will get to the Casey DeSantis profile that ran in Politico magazine that

00:08:36.700 I that was jaw dropping.

00:08:39.840 I thought we were supposed to celebrate empowered women and the men who take their counsel and

00:08:45.600 listen to them.

00:08:46.540 But of course, now that it is a conservative Republican doing it, this is problematic.

00:08:51.780 We've got to be asking questions.

00:08:53.200 She has sinister motives. 1.00

00:08:55.540 But Megan, before we get to that, I think it's going to be really interesting to see

00:08:59.940 how DeSantis announces tomorrow.

00:09:03.020 And what I'm going to be listening for is the following.

00:09:05.960 He said to donors, he kind of did a soft launch on a call with donors that The New York Times

00:09:11.200 reported.

00:09:11.680 And he said there are three people in this race who, you know, getting in this race who

00:09:16.320 could plausibly be president, Trump, Biden and me.

00:09:21.880 And there are two people who could win.

00:09:23.820 And that's me and Biden.

00:09:25.960 And I think tomorrow we have to hear more from DeSantis than Trump can't win.

00:09:31.200 We need a better message than that from him or he will not defeat Trump.

00:09:36.600 I just don't think Republican primary voters are going to be persuaded by an electability

00:09:42.440 argument.

00:09:42.860 They have to hear from DeSantis, Trump is unfit for office.

00:09:47.580 And why is it covid policies?

00:09:49.760 Is it his character?

00:09:51.100 They have to hear a frontal attack from him.

00:09:53.620 And he needs to make the case not only against Trump, but for himself.

00:09:57.620 He's in this very hard position because he doesn't want to lose the Trump base.

00:10:01.460 He must win over the Trump base.

00:10:04.340 And they will not be the nominee.

00:10:06.100 He's too afraid.

00:10:06.880 I don't think.

00:10:07.940 Yeah, I mean, they're unwinnable to him right now.

00:10:10.280 They're loyal to Trump.

00:10:11.280 And so I don't know what the play is.

00:10:13.980 You know, I see the position he's in.

00:10:15.940 If he attacks Trump full on, the Trump base gets even angrier and absolutely shuts the

00:10:21.340 door to him.

00:10:22.340 If he doesn't, it's like, well, why are you running then, Emily?

00:10:25.240 Like what if you think Trump's up to the job and adequate?

00:10:28.600 What the hell are you doing here?

00:10:29.540 No, it's a good point.

00:10:31.640 We've seen like some previews of what this attack could look like.

00:10:34.620 It could look like covid.

00:10:35.640 They've already traded barbs kind of back and forth on who handled covid better.

00:10:39.220 And that's been a part of it.

00:10:41.340 We've seen Trump attack DeSantis from the left, interestingly enough, on the economy in

00:10:46.540 Florida.

00:10:47.280 And so it's going to be, I think, a real test of where the right moves.

00:10:50.660 But that's the problem for DeSantis is he's one in the anti-Trump lane, but also in the

00:10:55.340 Trump lane.

00:10:56.280 And I would say, you know, for him, he should just not overthink it and not have consultants

00:11:00.720 sort of hand wring this to death, because when he was elected barely as governor of Florida,

00:11:07.080 took the reins and had a really successful run that actually, I think, shocked a lot of

00:11:12.880 the country.

00:11:14.120 That was because he wasn't overthinking it.

00:11:16.360 That was because he found that voters actually just really liked what he was doing.

00:11:19.740 He was being sort of thoughtful and intellectual and creating a blueprint for how to actually

00:11:23.780 engage in the culture war with substantive pieces of legislation to take on the media with

00:11:28.460 substantive, serious criticisms.

00:11:30.340 And so that's where people started to say pretty organically, hey, this Ron DeSantis guy is

00:11:36.060 sort of Trump without some of the Trump negatives, the Trump disadvantages.

00:11:40.280 Maybe we should think about whether he could have a national profile and be a presidential

00:11:45.280 candidate.

00:11:45.980 And so I think part of it is just not overthinking things.

00:11:49.160 And to the Casey DeSantis profile that Politico wrote, which was hilarious and infuriating at

00:11:53.800 the same time.

00:11:54.880 Let's look at the way the media has treated Giselle Fetterman or Joe Biden just in the last

00:12:00.080 couple of years.

00:12:01.180 But Fetterman in particular.

00:12:02.560 Dr. Jill Biden, Emily.

00:12:04.380 Oh, I'm sorry.

00:12:04.780 You're right.

00:12:05.480 All right.

00:12:05.780 As Whoopi said, she could be our next Surgeon General. 0.99

00:12:08.660 She should be our next Surgeon General. 1.00

00:12:11.360 Actual quote.

00:12:12.300 A little respect.

00:12:13.120 But it's just a perfect side by side.

00:12:15.200 No, you're 100 percent right.

00:12:16.820 So to bring the audience up to date, Politico on, I think it was Friday, drops this piece

00:12:21.940 on Casey DeSantis, the Casey DeSantis problem, quote, his greatest asset and his greatest

00:12:29.040 liability.

00:12:30.620 OK, by some, she's been seen mostly as a superstar of a political spouse, a not so secret weapon,

00:12:36.960 an antidote for her sometimes awkward husband.

00:12:40.120 And then they go on to say the following.

00:12:43.020 OK.

00:12:44.420 The more complicated but also more instructive reality is that she's neither the fawning

00:12:49.280 caricature she's made out to be in conservative circles and even sometimes the mainstream media, 0.99

00:12:55.180 nor a Shakespearean villain.

00:12:57.000 She might well be a bit of both.

00:12:59.060 She can ameliorate some of the effects of his idiosyncrasies.

00:13:04.020 She can also accentuate, even exacerbate his hubris, his paranoia, his balting ambition,

00:13:11.540 because those are all traits that they share.

00:13:16.680 He wouldn't be where he is without her.

00:13:19.000 He might not get to where he wants to go because of her.

00:13:22.820 OK, wait, it gets better.

00:13:24.540 She's like, they're so transparent, right?

00:13:28.260 Their hate.

00:13:29.320 Political notes.

00:13:30.520 Many people would only speak anonymously because of the power of a governor who might

00:13:34.440 be a president and also that of his wife and what they perceive to be their collective

00:13:38.600 capacity for spite.

00:13:42.040 She's more paranoid than he is, said a staffer. 1.00

00:13:45.700 He's a vindictive motherfucker. 1.00

00:13:48.260 She's twice that, said a higher up on one of his campaigns. 1.00

00:13:52.260 She's the scorekeeper.

00:13:53.860 Hello.

00:13:54.360 We all are when it comes to our husbands.

00:13:56.420 I mean, you mess with Doug, you'll get it from me.

00:13:58.960 I'll get you sooner or later.

00:14:00.420 Trust me.

00:14:01.200 I'll lie in wait and I'll get you.

00:14:02.980 That's how every good spouse is.

00:14:04.840 Some of the sharpest knives in the set belong to her, said the GOP lobbyist that they spoke

00:14:09.600 with.

00:14:10.480 Does she also feed into his worst instincts of being secluded and insular and standoffish

00:14:16.020 with staff?

00:14:16.760 Yes, yes, she does.

00:14:18.320 And there's, of course, a comparison to Lady Macbeth in here, notwithstanding Politico's

00:14:24.580 position in November 2012, that comparing women in politics, showing images of Hillary, 0.99

00:14:30.660 Jill Biden and Giselle Fetterman to Lady Macbeth is sexist.

00:14:35.380 And yet it appears, I think, twice in this article about Casey DeSantis.

00:14:39.680 So really, it's only sexist if it's against a Democrat.

00:14:42.480 That's generally how it works, Eliana.

00:14:43.800 You know, I do think it's worth noting that the Lady Macbeth comment came from Trump ally

00:14:50.300 Roger Stone and that some of these attacks on Casey DeSantis are actually coming from

00:14:55.020 the from the right because the Trump people are scared of her, too.

00:14:59.820 I have met her in person.

00:15:02.260 It's kind of the elephant in the room.

00:15:04.040 She is drop dead gorgeous.

00:15:06.300 OK, she looks like a beauty queen. 1.00

00:15:08.100 She's lovely.

00:15:09.240 She's very smart.

00:15:11.580 She's formidable.

00:15:12.580 And he listens to her.

00:15:14.980 People's spouses are important.

00:15:16.760 And I got like I actually got kind of a Nancy Reagan vibe from reading this article in that

00:15:21.140 like she's kind of an enforcer. 0.94

00:15:22.820 I don't know when that became a bad thing, but it is Politico's job to say that the tropes

00:15:29.300 emanating from the primary from DeSantis's political camp opponents towards Casey DeSantis

00:15:38.760 are sexist and they put none of that context around this.

00:15:43.200 And it's offensive.

00:15:44.540 It's offensive.

00:15:45.640 They would never, ever allow a Democrat, a Democratic spouse to be attacked in this way

00:15:51.520 without contextualizing in that way.

00:15:54.680 You're exactly right.

00:15:55.800 And, you know, Emily, it does show something, though, about how they actually feel, because,

00:16:00.120 you know, the mainstream's got a million pieces about how it's Trump's.

00:16:02.640 It's Trump's.

00:16:03.180 It's Trump's.

00:16:03.560 It's done.

00:16:04.040 It's over.

00:16:04.640 I mean, you might as well be talking to a Trump staffer when you read most of the mainstream

00:16:08.240 papers on where the GOP primary race is.

00:16:12.700 And I realize he's the overwhelming favorite.

00:16:14.860 Of course, I think the latest poll had him at 61 and DeSantis at 16.

00:16:19.100 Um, however, however, pieces like this kind of show what's really going on.

00:16:26.700 Their real belief is that DeSantis does have a meaningful chance still and must be hobbled,

00:16:33.120 you know, that that they, like Trump, want to, as they put in this piece, kill the DeSantis

00:16:37.820 candidacy in its crib.

00:16:40.280 Hmm.

00:16:40.960 Yeah, that's a good point, because the Trump campaign and the media have one thing in common,

00:16:45.860 and that is they love drama.

00:16:48.160 They love the blood sport of politics and the Trump campaign.

00:16:52.340 I think that's why they've always gotten along with the media.

00:16:55.020 If you go back to, like, 2015, obviously, they don't get along with the media in the

00:16:58.920 sense that they're constantly, like, publicly at loggerheads.

00:17:01.340 But Trump, despite all of his complaints about the media, has leaked constantly to the

00:17:06.260 mainstream media, the so-called mainstream media, um, is constantly talking to Politico,

00:17:10.820 New York Times, his people are, um, maybe not him himself, because they're always going

00:17:15.700 to be quoted.

00:17:16.280 They have great relationships.

00:17:17.280 They text back and forth, you know, the Trump allies.

00:17:19.580 Roger Stone, every corporate media reporter here in D.C.

00:17:22.100 has Roger Stone's phone number.

00:17:23.820 Um, they all talk to these, like, like Trump consultants, Trump hangers on.

00:17:28.520 Um, and I think that's where there's kind of an advantage to Donald Trump media-wise.

00:17:33.620 And they don't even, the media doesn't realize they're being played by the Trump camp when

00:17:37.240 the Trump camp comes to them with stuff.

00:17:38.720 I remember I was working on a story a few years ago about, um, a Republican and some

00:17:42.840 of his former staffers were complaining about his wife having too much control over the office.

00:17:47.540 And the deeper I got into the story, the more I realized there was no news there.

00:17:51.580 Uh, it was just a protective good wife taking care of her husband. 1.00

00:17:55.900 Uh, and so I ended up not running the story, but they would never do that because they live

00:17:59.880 for the conflict and they see the conflict as inherently newsworthy when it's against

00:18:04.600 a Republican.

00:18:05.260 But if it's against a Democrat, they see what's newsworthy as her not being devious or sinister,

00:18:10.340 but her being, uh, in control and smart and strategic.

00:18:14.440 And it's just a fascinating, I think, side by side, particularly the Fetterman example.

00:18:19.020 You've got this family that, as Eliana points out, they're so lovely.

00:18:22.200 You're looking at them like, my God, it's like a sort of a new version of Camelot and the

00:18:25.800 Kennedys, except hopefully without all the cheating.

00:18:28.360 Um, and you know, they've, they've, they're very appealing.

00:18:31.540 You look, it's like, Oh, I'd love to see those little kids behind the resolute desk.

00:18:35.480 You know, the way we had with JFK Jr.

00:18:37.340 Anyway, that's what we have in looking at them.

00:18:40.220 And so what do they do?

00:18:41.220 They try to attack it.

00:18:42.380 They try to undermine it. 0.98

00:18:43.460 They try to say, she's a witch. 1.00

00:18:44.940 She's an evil bitch. 1.00

00:18:46.480 Basically is what they're saying. 1.00

00:18:47.820 You don't want her trying to alienate those GOP women, right? 0.87

00:18:51.980 Who DeSantis is said to be more appealing to than Trump.

00:18:54.840 No, no, you don't want him. 1.00

00:18:56.800 You get the bitch wife. 1.00

00:18:57.960 You don't trust me, ladies. 1.00

00:18:59.460 You don't want her.

00:19:00.380 And you can see them doing it like bit by bit.

00:19:02.980 Meanwhile, they'll, they'll never lay a finger on Jill Biden, Dr. Jill and her absurd need

00:19:08.920 for that title or Giselle Fetterman and her weirdness about her husband's illness and how 0.96

00:19:13.920 like he had me, how could he be depressed?

00:19:15.980 Like, okay, we're never going to see a piece on any of that.

00:19:19.640 And to me, it's, it's just a transparent and it's irritating.

00:19:22.480 Um, meanwhile, if you take a peek at how the left is talking about any of these guys, whether

00:19:26.920 it's Tim Scott, Ron DeSantis, they're all an equal threat to the Republic.

00:19:31.200 I give you the ladies of the view.

00:19:33.080 I think one of the issues that Tim Scott, um, has is that he seems to think because I made

00:19:40.600 it, everyone can make it ignoring again, the fact that he is the exception and not the rule.

00:19:45.900 And until he is the rule, then he can stop talking about systemic racism.

00:19:50.340 He has championed policies specific to help the black and brown community.

00:19:56.620 The first step act, which many, I know a lot of liberals think it didn't go far enough,

00:19:59.820 but it helped them the first year get 3000 inmates released into rehabilitation program.

00:20:03.740 Those are all great.

00:20:05.020 He was the champion of the Emmett Till Anti-Lynching Act, which I think was able.

00:20:08.380 He was one of them.

00:20:09.100 Yeah, he was, listen, I don't take, look, he's done some good stuff.

00:20:13.660 Okay.

00:20:14.540 But if you're running for president, you got to do more than that.

00:20:17.260 Yeah, you have to represent us as a nation and then say, and as a black man, this is also how

00:20:24.540 I feel. But you can't pretend that it's not there and that it's not an issue for the people you're

00:20:31.180 running for, the party you're running for. They are in part the problem. This cat down in Florida,

00:20:40.380 I mean, black people know there's a problem in Florida. 0.98

00:20:43.420 Okay. They got it all. It's all in that sound. Tim Scott needs to come out and acknowledge his 0.99

00:20:50.620 blackness or he's got Clarence Thomas syndrome. And instead of being grateful to a country for 0.54

00:20:56.460 providing him with opportunity, he's got to bash the company because not everybody,

00:21:00.700 the country, because not everybody has achieved exactly what he's achieved. Like Sonny in her

00:21:05.020 multimillion dollar property with a son at Harvard who went to law school, who's got a great career

00:21:10.140 in making millions on television. See, she's a good person because she hates America. You see, 0.98

00:21:15.260 that's how it works. Amazing. It's just it's truly the the distillation of the world view.

00:21:22.540 You have to tear Tim Scott down for representing an optimistic and I would say fairly accurate

00:21:29.500 vision of America that and that's what's interesting about what we were talking about

00:21:33.660 earlier, the optimism versus the pessimism, make America great again versus America, American

00:21:38.300 carnage. There's a swath of this country that actually really does experience the country that

00:21:43.420 Tim Scott is tapping into in the country that Tim Scott is describing. And that's where that's like

00:21:49.260 actually very important. And the media thinks that they're the champions of the downtrod and people 0.97

00:21:53.740 they never talk to, they never interact with. And so they have all of these diagnoses and solutions

00:21:58.700 that are completely out of touch with what people actually want and was actually good for communities

00:22:03.900 around the country, whether they're rural or inner city. The media just sits back in their comfortable

00:22:07.820 chairs and tells them this is what you need. This is what you want, by the way. And it gives them the

00:22:12.620 sense of moral authority that is totally unearned. And I can't imagine how black conservatives like Tim 1.00

00:22:18.140 Scott watch clips like that on The View because it's just acting like they're invalidated. They're enablers

00:22:24.940 of bigotry. The way they get smeared, I truly don't know how they put up with it because it is so disgusting. 0.99

00:22:30.300 The more accomplished a conservative black man or woman is, the more the left hates them. Hates them. 1.00

00:22:38.460 He addressed this a bit yesterday in his remarks. Here's top two.

00:22:43.180 When I cut your taxes, they called me a prop. When I refunded the police, they called me a token.

00:22:51.980 When I pushed back on President Biden, they even called me the n-word.

00:22:57.660 I disrupt their narrative. I threatened their control. The truth of my life disrupts their lies.

00:23:09.420 There you go, Eliana. Whoopi got what what she wanted. Sunny got what she wanted. He talked about

00:23:14.060 how there's racism in America. Unfortunately for the ladies of The View, he's talking about it coming 0.98

00:23:18.300 at him from the left, from people like the ladies who sit on that panel. Of course, because he doesn't

00:23:26.300 go along with their group think and they said, oh, you know, he'll go the path of Clarence Thomas.

00:23:31.820 You know, some of us would think that's a wonderful thing, but they're saying it like it's the worst

00:23:35.740 thing that could possibly happen to him. And Megan, I don't even think you got to the NAACP putting out a

00:23:41.740 travel advisory for the state of Florida saying that it is dangerous for African-Americans to

00:23:47.260 travel to Florida while the leaders of that group go on vacations there.

00:23:52.620 The head of the NAACP is in Tampa. Charlie Crue pointed that out. He's in Tampa. One of the directors.

00:23:58.700 It does show the extent to which, you know, these are these are just extensions of a political party

00:24:06.700 and a political point of view where free thinking among African-Americans is not is not welcome.

00:24:15.100 And that is the racism of it. The question I have about Tim Scott that that is kind of interesting,

00:24:21.340 I've been listening to others debate it. He came on and I asked him about his love life because he's

00:24:25.900 unmarried. So he's not married and has no kids. We talked about that. And I think he's still hopeful,

00:24:30.460 but, you know, he's going to land the plane. He's going to meet Ms. Wright and, you know,

00:24:34.300 whatever. But there are even some on the right have been saying it's weird that it's he's 57 and

00:24:41.740 he's never gotten married. And, you know, he has no kids. And if you have no kids, do you really have

00:24:45.500 a stake in the game as a potential president? I'm sure we've had bachelor presidents in the past, 0.95

00:24:50.540 but they'll make an issue out of it, Emily. I mean, Trump will probably make an issue out of it

00:24:55.260 because he has such a stellar home life to point to if he if he if he's not truth social in that

00:25:05.740 right now. It's it's probably soon to come. Yeah, I recommend marriage. Yeah, it's really it's going

00:25:13.740 to be interesting to see how he handles it, because, yeah, I mean, we have had bachelor candidates,

00:25:17.660 bachelor presidents, but it's a really tricky balance. It's definitely a point of intrigue,

00:25:24.700 obviously. He's been very busy in his 30s and in his 40s building a big political career. So I do

00:25:32.860 think that it'll be an interesting question. But it also it's like when Don Lemon Lemon

00:25:37.020 went after Nikki Haley for being pastor prime, which you covered fantastically, that resonated with

00:25:44.380 people. And the Tim Scott already sort of preemptively being like, when I cut your taxes,

00:25:49.180 they called me X, Y and Z. That's super interesting, because these media attacks,

00:25:54.460 I think Republicans have really learned like the Harvard Harris poll that came out yesterday and

00:25:58.380 Glenn Greenwald was tweeting about a lot of the really interesting stuff from it. Americans distrust

00:26:03.100 in media has just become huge. And it's really hugely important to voters, too. It's not just like

00:26:09.500 we all understand the media is a problem. It's we all understand the media is a problem. And now we're

00:26:13.580 going to vote based on it. And so I think that's kind of like I can really see those personal

00:26:17.980 attacks on Tim Scott questions raised by Trump, by the media about his personal life.

00:26:22.540 I can see savvy sort of consultants and people putting in his ear, you know, good ways to spin it.

00:26:28.540 But it is, I think, genuinely a point of intrigue for for voters. I'm sure they have an answer that

00:26:34.220 they think is good prepared for it. But it'll come up for sure.

00:26:38.540 Yeah, I don't know. Some people don't meet the right person, Eliana. And it's like,

00:26:43.580 what are you going to do? It's better to stay single than to marry Ms. Wrong and make a bunch 0.97

00:26:49.180 of kids with Ms. Wrong and then divide up a family. Maybe he just, you know, didn't meet the

00:26:53.660 right person. I don't know. I've just I thought it was interesting that the the comments were coming

00:26:57.900 from some on the right. It wasn't just a leftist attack on him. You know, there are some more sort

00:27:01.660 of family oriented Christian commentators who are like, where's the family? Where's the marriage?

00:27:06.380 Where's all that on the Harvard Harris poll? It is interesting. And my God, I thought this what I

00:27:12.540 thought was fascinating to me on this. They asked, what's your principal source of TV news? And they

00:27:17.100 asked Republicans, Democrats and independents. And of course, 40 percent of Republicans say their

00:27:23.700 principal source is Fox News. Twenty five percent of independents say that. Twenty six percent of

00:27:29.000 independents, more independents say other than Fox, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC or MSNBC. So the majority of

00:27:35.900 independents are the plurality, whatever, however the numbers work. But more independents say they're

00:27:40.940 not getting their news from television now than ever before. And I think that's that's because

00:27:47.420 they're all in our lane. They're over here in digital media. You know, they're listening to Emily

00:27:51.140 on The Federalist. They're listening to you and ink stained wretches, hopefully listening to the

00:27:55.120 Megyn Kelly show right now on Sirius XM Triumph channel or via podcast. And so it's but it's not just

00:28:02.600 independents. Twenty four percent of Republicans to twenty four percent, much smaller numbers in

00:28:07.580 the Democrat category. Only twelve percent say other. And of course, they're mostly most of the

00:28:12.780 Democrats are getting their news from CNN or MSNBC. And then they sort of split over the mainstream

00:28:19.480 channels. In any event, what these numbers show is that huge swaths of the American public still

00:28:27.400 believe in some of the nonsense reporting that we've seen over the past few years, still believe

00:28:32.220 that Trump worked with Russia. Forty four percent still believe the Steele dossier accusations.

00:28:39.540 Forty four percent still believe that still believe the Hunter Biden laptop is disinformation.

00:28:44.060 Forty one percent believe that. But the majority have rejected it, notwithstanding the ubiquitousness,

00:28:49.280 Eliana, of the messaging on those issues. It is amazing. I mean, look, most people are not

00:28:57.840 following this stuff the way we are. It is not their professions. And people are informed by having

00:29:04.180 the news on in the background while they're doing the dishes and taking care of kids. So that actually

00:29:07.820 doesn't surprise me at all. And it is the reason that the drumbeat over four years of Russiagate

00:29:13.920 is extraordinarily effective, even if none of those claims hold up, because the narrative is just sort

00:29:20.000 of in the water. And same with the Hunter Biden laptop. And I think it was Dean Acheson, the Truman

00:29:26.440 Secretary of State, who said something about, you know, the massive difficulty of correcting the record

00:29:32.620 once like a mistake, once something incorrect gets out there. And that's I think that's what the right is

00:29:39.380 grappling with now. And they're doing so when the mainstream media is entirely controlled,

00:29:44.700 basically by the left, CNN, The New York Times, The Washington Post. These people aren't going out

00:29:49.780 to correct the record. So it's not surprising at all. The facts come out in a 302 page Durham report.

00:29:55.860 How many people do you think looked at that carefully? Where was that covered carefully? So

00:30:00.440 this this really doesn't surprise me. And I think it does show you, you know, what conservatives,

00:30:05.960 what Republicans are up against. And, you know, my colleagues and I wonder often, like, how many

00:30:10.480 points is that worth on the ballot? Yeah, people think their election was really massive help,

00:30:16.220 even if they don't believe that Dominion votes were changed. You know, they think their election was

00:30:20.820 rigged. And just to correct that last stat I gave you, this is Democrats believe that the Hunter laptop

00:30:26.800 is disinformation. Fifty nine percent of Democrats believe that that it's that the Hunter Biden laptop was

00:30:33.540 disinformation. Fifty nine percent. Only forty one percent believe the laptop was

00:30:38.140 real of Democrats. And that's a story that eventually the mainstream media was forced to

00:30:44.960 correct its mistakes on. You know, we did eventually have CNN and The New York Times and CBS come out and

00:30:51.000 say, OK, sorry, we were wrong about that. It's not disinformation. It's real. And still, even with them

00:30:57.900 correcting the information, Emily, you've got fifty nine percent of Democrats sticking with the original

00:31:03.540 bad reporting that it was disinformation. This is what the GOP is up against. I mean, this is why

00:31:08.960 Republicans get so angry and like there's some patience for Trump and his harping on twenty twenty.

00:31:14.560 It's limited, but there's some patience for it because they, too, are pissed off.

00:31:20.060 And it's like so when Trump was at his CNN town hall going back and forth with Caitlin Collins

00:31:25.620 over whether the election was rigged or stolen. Caitlin repeatedly said the election was not rigged.

00:31:31.500 The election was not rigged. Well, there's a broad definition. I mean, we can all I think here agree

00:31:36.220 the election was not stolen. Rigged is a broader definition. When you look at fifty one former

00:31:40.900 intelligence officials and the CIA, we now know from reporting a couple of weeks ago,

00:31:45.560 colluding to create a letter they knew was false saying that laptop looked like Russian disinformation.

00:31:51.360 That is a serious level of interference on behalf of the actual government that was using government

00:31:58.360 resources, because we know that a CIA official used their CIA email account to solicit signatures for

00:32:03.640 that letter. And so, again, this is a big question for the Tim Scotts and the Nikki Haley's of the world

00:32:08.500 when you're talking just about the greatness of America and not about the American carnage to go back

00:32:13.540 to that example. This is a serious, serious problem when you have a swath of the country.

00:32:19.380 How many to Eliana's point, how many how many points is that where people have tried to study it?

00:32:23.500 I think it's really hard to study how that affected 2020, how the smears of Russian collusion affected

00:32:28.480 2016. So many of them turned out not to be true. It's just kind of in the water. And when you look at

00:32:33.200 the Harvard Harris poll, a lot of people had this glass half full takeaway, like look at how

00:32:37.100 trust in the mainstream media is cratering, it's plummeting. It's like that is all true.

00:32:44.300 The media's power is waning and it is happening pretty rapidly relative to the course of history.

00:32:49.340 But oh, my gosh, their power is still vast and it is still egregious. And it's sad that so many

00:32:56.200 people are being served so poorly by folks they put their trust in because CNN, remember, ran those ads

00:33:02.640 saying this is an apple, this is a banana. Some people might try to tell you it's a banana,

00:33:05.980 but it's a freaking apple. While they were telling everybody that an apple was a banana for 0.93

00:33:10.900 years. I mean, it's just nonsense and they're making money off of it and they are destroying

00:33:15.400 the country. So it's just incredibly frustrating. It's good. It is a glass half full that people are

00:33:21.000 starting to realize, but we're nowhere near the position that we would need to be because those

00:33:26.180 numbers say it all. I'm very encouraged that people are turning to other sources, not just because

00:33:31.640 I'm in this lane, but because I do think you have to select your news by voice now.

00:33:35.980 Instead of by network, I think you get agendas pushed on you when you go to a corporation,

00:33:40.940 even when you may trust like Fox News. Look how Fox has changed. Look at the reporting over the past

00:33:44.880 couple of days. The Daily Signal report on how woke they are on the gender ideology and

00:33:49.980 forcing their reporters to use the gender affirming care language and forcing them to use the right, 0.97

00:33:57.220 not the right, but the pronouns of choice inside the building and all of that stuff and forcing

00:34:02.220 them not to report on Dylan Mulvaney and telling the Tucker staff, you bet, you know, pushing back

00:34:06.840 on his decision to use key pronouns for Dylan, all that. You have to figure out what voice you trust.

00:34:13.460 What personality do you trust? Because these big corporations have an agenda that we're seeing

00:34:17.380 more and more. It doesn't match up with what what's in the interest of the American people.

00:34:21.180 Stand by. We have much more to do. We did. OK, technically, we had four years of Russiagate

00:34:29.520 and and, you know, several months of hunting Hunter Biden laptop is disinformation. And technically,

00:34:36.820 they did come out and correct the record. But the volume at which that was done, we had full blast,

00:34:44.920 you know, at 12 Russiagate and full blast at 12, you know, banned on Twitter and, you know,

00:34:52.040 the Hunter Biden laptop story. And then there's like, you know, quiet as a mouse, a little peep

00:34:56.280 story on A36 that, oh, actually, you know, this stuff isn't true. They're not equal. Like, you know,

00:35:02.260 the call and response are not equal there. So it's no surprise that people remain confused.

00:35:07.260 CNN, New York Times and The Washington Post won Pulitzer Prizes for their reporting on Russia,

00:35:11.940 on complete BS. And so it doesn't surprise me at all. Like the admission of mistake is not done

00:35:19.840 with the same volume and wall to wall coverage as was, you know, the sensationalist coverage of the

00:35:25.860 so-called scandal. Mm hmm. Yeah. No, it's like what is the line from The Godfather? Like,

00:35:32.400 hopefully with the same energy with which you besmirched it.

00:35:35.580 Something like that. All right. Stand by. We have more with the EJs coming up right after this. 0.98

00:35:48.380 So, ladies, we are getting more flavor on why Tucker Carlson was fired from Fox News,

00:35:55.720 courtesy of the man writing a biography, an authorized biography of him called Tucker.

00:36:01.700 Tucker. I did not know this was happening, but it's coming out in July. And this man,

00:36:07.360 Chadwick Moore, who has been on Tucker's show in the past, took to Twitter yesterday to say

00:36:12.380 that he has reporting about the real reason Tucker was fired and did not want to wait until July to

00:36:20.500 release it. And it's a reason that we have heard speculated about in the press. And that was

00:36:24.980 reportedly relayed to Tucker himself by two board members, or so the reporting on this matter claims.

00:36:33.240 Here's Chadwick Moore via Twitter talking about that issue. Safai. 1.00

00:36:37.400 It has now been reported that his firing was a condition demanded by Dominion as part of the

00:36:42.380 settlement with Fox. Although Dominion has denied this, my sources have intimate knowledge of the

00:36:48.280 situation and they have assured me even before this news leaked that that is, in fact, the truth.

00:36:53.940 If that is true, it would mean that a small group of people who have a controlling interest in

00:36:59.900 Dominion have managed to silence what is arguably the most important and influential conservative

00:37:05.860 voice in the country, possibly until after the next presidential election.

00:37:11.000 This is interesting because he's back to the Dominion. Now, I have to say, honestly, I don't know how

00:37:16.620 Moore would know this. I really don't. Unless he's talking to Rupert. Tucker doesn't know this.

00:37:23.360 And Tucker's lawyer doesn't know what the reason is. If this is true, that it was a deal between Fox

00:37:29.380 and Dominion, a very small circle of people would know. And that would be Rupert, presumably Lachlan,

00:37:35.780 Suzanne Scott and a couple of key people on the Dominion side. What are the odds that any one of

00:37:41.660 those people is talking to Chadwick Moore? Right. It's very slim. Now, yes, maybe they relayed information

00:37:47.820 to the board and a member of the board is talking to Chadwick. We've already learned that from Tucker.

00:37:52.300 Tucker's already released in one of these news reports that a board member told him or two told

00:37:56.920 him that it was due to Dominion. So I don't I'm not sure what to make of his claim. But I will say

00:38:04.580 this. The Dominion denials on this are weak sauce. All my spidey senses are up as a lawyer when I read

00:38:14.660 the way they deny this. And I I had Kelly McGuire, my producer, go back and try to find

00:38:20.220 all their denials. What have they said? And these are the two salient ones. First, they said Dominion

00:38:25.600 did not insist on Fox firing Tucker as part of the settlement. We did not insist on it. Hmm.

00:38:33.640 That's not enough. That's too narrow a sliver. That's too narrow a sliver. Then the second one

00:38:39.740 was a little bit wider. And they said Dominion made no demands about Tucker's employment. Now,

00:38:46.000 listen, if you are being accused of making this a deal term, when you come out and say it's not a deal

00:38:51.780 term, it was never discussed. The whole thing's absurd. Why would you say I never insisted on it?

00:38:57.980 But I never demanded it. How? Well, was it a deal term or wasn't it? You know, these are my

00:39:04.000 questions. Was it a deal term? Was it offered? Did you agree? Did someone else suggest it other

00:39:07.820 than Dominion? Was it discussed with anyone at all? What was the outcome of that? All those questions

00:39:12.560 are left unanswered by these weird, very finely crafted denials by Dominion. And these are not dumb 0.97

00:39:20.760 lawyers. They just won $800 million from Fox in a settlement. So they know how to do a sweeping 0.93

00:39:27.920 denial and they're not doing it. So that is the one thing that would lead me to say maybe they

00:39:33.140 really are on to that. Plus the fact that right after they settled, I mean, the week after he was

00:39:38.020 fired. So the timing certainly would favor an interpretation like this. What do you gals make 1.00

00:39:44.420 of this? The possibility that he was a casualty of that settlement? Okay, Megan, I have questions back

00:39:50.740 for you. I didn't know where you were going with Chadwick Moore, but the thing I do think

00:39:55.320 was interesting about it is, okay, it may or may not be true, but it's definitely what Tucker wants

00:40:00.380 people to think because this is his authorized biographer who he's talking to. And all of a

00:40:05.600 sudden the book, the book is getting rushed to press. You know, there are other people working

00:40:08.860 on not authorized Tucker biographies. So, okay, Tucker wants people to think he was fired because

00:40:13.580 of Dominion. I'm curious, what is the advantage? Let's say he was fired because of Dominion.

00:40:18.540 What is the advantage to Dominion, um, of getting Tucker as a scalp, but not having anyone know

00:40:25.880 about it? Well, they silence it. I mean, there, there was a report via, um, OMG, you know, uh,

00:40:33.020 James O'Keefe's new news outlet. And he reported last week with, I have to say, we didn't go with

00:40:40.180 this because it's a producer. None of us had ever heard of it. And half my team is from Fox. You know,

00:40:44.140 I'm from Fox. Um, none of us knew this guy, but this guy did raise one point that I was like,

00:40:48.400 well, that's interesting. He said, and I have, forgive me because I haven't done an independent

00:40:51.900 check on it, that the comms director for Dominion came from the Biden White House. Now the comms

00:40:59.060 director wouldn't be directing settlements and so on, but how tight is Dominion with the Biden White

00:41:03.560 House? Was there any sort of hand in the politics, the politics arena in making this happen? Or,

00:41:10.240 you know, does, was Dominion just fed up with Fox in general and wanted to punish it in a special way,

00:41:16.860 right? Just take their number one host and punish their audience. Like there, there has to be more 0.98

00:41:21.080 pain than just the money of which Rupert Murdoch has, you know, gobs. So who knows? I haven't believed

00:41:29.040 this theory, but, but I do think like, it's interesting to me that Dominion's denials are so

00:41:35.840 weak. Keep going, Eliana. No, I, then I just wonder if they did want to exact revenge, the,

00:41:41.560 the denials and the secrecy angle about it, I don't totally understand. And then I think from

00:41:47.420 the Biden White House angle, sure, Tucker's a problem for the Biden White House, but he's also,

00:41:52.480 he also complicates life for Republicans. Like if I were the Biden White House, I wouldn't have really

00:41:57.600 wanted to take Tucker out. He's, he's a complicated figure. He's not just an asset, you know, for,

00:42:04.200 for, look at, look what he did to Kevin McCarthy. He had Kevin McCarthy tied up in knots. So I,

00:42:09.920 I just don't know. But so I think the most interesting thing for me out of this was,

00:42:15.860 okay, this, this is the narrative Tucker's going with or wants people to think.

00:42:20.340 Mm-hmm. Well, I'll tell you, I mean, I think obviously Tucker is struggling to get them to

00:42:26.000 agree to let him out of the deal. And if he actually does launch this show on Twitter,

00:42:29.900 it will be a breach of his deal almost certainly. And it's on then, then Fox has got to decide whether

00:42:35.280 to sue him or arbitrate probably because they have an arbitration agreement. Um, and so right now

00:42:39.800 they're still pushing for some sort of amicable resolution, but you're seeing Tucker and his allies

00:42:45.960 up the ante, by the way, I should point out that I do not. Tucker's never asked me to do anything on

00:42:52.980 his behalf. I don't know. They write up out like his allies are coming down. That is not me. I report

00:42:58.220 the news as I get it. I work to get new information. I bring it to my audience, but I just want to make

00:43:03.640 clear, I am not being used by anybody as an ally or to do anybody's bidding. This is my honest

00:43:07.720 reporting and my honest take as a former Fox news person. Um, and one of the things that I'm seeing

00:43:12.740 now, and I do think this is, this has got a Tucker friend fingerprint on it is there's a piece in the

00:43:18.780 daily news talking about how there's a treasure trove. He is sitting on a treasure trove of

00:43:22.560 potentially damaging Fox secrets, including revelations about extramarital affairs and

00:43:26.640 workplace misconduct. And that, um, if this goes to an arbitrator or a court, it's going to get really

00:43:34.160 ugly, like really ugly. So they're not letting him out. And meantime, Emily, the numbers at Fox

00:43:40.380 are just absolutely dreadful. We're, we've been keeping the running tally here on the MK show,

00:43:45.700 um, post Tucker first four weeks, right? We have 20 shows now to evaluate these four weeks versus

00:43:52.340 the last four weeks when Tucker was at the anchor desk. I'll just give you the percentages. The 7 PM

00:43:58.360 is down 22%. This is in the overall, this is like all viewers, not the young viewers. The 7 PM is down

00:44:04.640 22. The 8 PM is down 55% more than half in its numbers. The 9 PM is down 29%. So Sean Hannity lost

00:44:12.860 one third of his audience to the 10 PM is down 24%. So Laura Ingram lost a quarter of her audience 0.63

00:44:19.400 and 11 PM with gut felt. He was suffered the least he's down 12%. Now let me take you to the key

00:44:23.960 advertising demo. 25 to 54, 7 PM down almost 40%, 37 in total, 8 PM down 64% in the 25 to 50. That's

00:44:35.060 what they base our advertising rates on. Um, 9 PM down almost 50, 48% Hannity is 10 PM down 37%, 11 PM down

00:44:43.460 25%. That is a hemorrhaging that is happening in the Fox news primetime. They're hemorrhaging their

00:44:50.920 viewers in their ratings and why they don't understand that they have every incentive of

00:44:56.420 fixing it somehow. Let him free, let him get out there. Stop the bleeding. I don't get it. I don't

00:45:03.640 know. And I have like some thoughts that you actually may know more about. I think it was in,

00:45:09.580 maybe it's in the Gabe Sherman book. There's this anecdote that Roger Ailes used to yank people

00:45:14.160 arbitrarily off the air just to show that the audience would still be there, that it wasn't about

00:45:18.960 them. It was about the Fox system. No idea whether or not that's true. I think it was,

00:45:23.220 I think that's a Gabe Sherman thing. I don't, I'm not sure. I never, I don't remember him doing that,

00:45:26.960 but it sounds possible. It's interesting because with Tucker, uh, and I think you do generally see

00:45:33.140 that when people are out, um, there's a, maybe a small dip in ratings, but this is unlike anything

00:45:38.460 else. And I think that speaks to, uh, how little Fox understood what it had on its hands with Tucker

00:45:44.860 Carlson. I think they didn't understand what he meant to the conservative movement. Um, and to

00:45:50.000 people who are just curious about politics and interested in it sort of like across the spectrum,

00:45:53.780 they had pretty big viewership from Democrats and independents too. Um, and I just don't think

00:45:58.280 that they, they understood what an asset they had in, in him. And I don't think they, I think the

00:46:03.340 daily signal story you mentioned was the first shot across the bow from Tucker's camp saying,

00:46:07.440 we got stuff and we can work with stuff. So you better work with us. Um, and my just last broad

00:46:13.660 thought is I don't understand legally what dominion would be doing with a handshake agreement. Uh,

00:46:18.640 what Rupert Murdoch would be doing with a handshake agreement that they yanked Tucker off the air.

00:46:22.360 That seems like a huge liability to have with a small group of people. None of it really makes

00:46:26.660 sense to me. I want to get a dominion lawyer or representative on this show. And I am going to

00:46:33.040 ask very simple questions. Was it a deal term? Was it raised by anyone? Was it ever

00:46:37.380 discussed by anyone on the dominion team with anyone on the Fox team who had principal negotiating

00:46:43.200 responsibility? If I can see the agreement, would I see the name Tucker Carlson in there? Like there

00:46:48.100 are, there are certain ways of getting to this that get beyond those sliver denials, uh, that

00:46:53.360 really don't tell us much. And I do have to wonder in the wake of all this reporting, whether that is

00:46:57.500 for a reason, um, we'll continue to talk about it. And up next, before we go to our other topics,

00:47:03.260 I've got to talk to you about what's happening with Newsmax and CNN. CNN may no longer be around.

00:47:08.280 I mean, it's that bad. CNN may be going away. Prepare yourself. I know you need to brace yourself.

00:47:13.980 Uh, the EJs stay with us. 1.00

00:47:19.540 So ladies wanted to tell you that, uh, we're just now getting an announcement from the DeSantis team

00:47:23.280 that we can expect an event with the governor. Ooh, what could it be about? Um, tomorrow evening,

00:47:29.500 they said between four and five, we'll get a more specific time between now and then, but it's going

00:47:34.980 to be in Miami, uh, which is not his hometown, but we'll find out, uh, exactly where and why Miami

00:47:42.060 DeSantis. I mean, listen, this is an important moment for our country. This guy could win.

00:47:47.360 He could win. The polling right now shows him tying with Joe Biden in a head to head matchup

00:47:52.600 before he's even announced. It shows Trump beating Joe Biden by seven, despite the fact

00:47:58.100 that Trump has got an enormous amount of baggage and most people's opinions on Trump are immovable,

00:48:03.900 right? They, they have very strong opinions and they're immovable and he's beating Biden by seven.

00:48:08.180 So if DeSantis can find a way around Trump, the guy actually could win the presidency. Um, America

00:48:15.220 needs only to be introduced to him more fully potentially, you know, we'll see. I mean,

00:48:18.680 he's got some, he's got some personal peculiarities. Um, but when he legislates, when he, when he leads,

00:48:26.500 I think a wide swath of America is going to find him very, very appealing. Emily, am I wrong?

00:48:32.420 No, I don't think you're wrong at all. I think it's a little, it's a little of what Tim Scott is

00:48:36.420 going for and a little what Donald Trump is going for. And we've seen that work for him in Florida,

00:48:40.360 where he's able to put up crazy numbers, um, and help other Republicans in the state put up

00:48:44.960 crazy numbers with all of the demographics that you sort of need in a post-Trump Republican party,

00:48:50.420 keeping the working class, keeping minority voters that have come in the Trump coalition,

00:48:54.380 while also getting some of those suburban voters, um, who are, are fairly well off and maybe a little

00:49:00.840 touchy on the culture wars and want, uh, what feels like a return to normalcy while also addressing

00:49:06.220 some of these really serious problems, but not getting bogged down in divisiveness, uh, as they see

00:49:11.780 it. So that's the, the DeSantis recipe here. Can he do that with Florida being a fairly representative

00:49:17.600 bellwether state? Um, is that a recipe for like translating what worked in Florida across the

00:49:23.500 country? I don't know. We're going to see, I think some of his personal, um, like, as you say,

00:49:28.980 peculiarities, personality issues, you know, is he the warm, fuzzy politician? Uh, probably not,

00:49:35.240 but I also think some of that is overstated because when he gets out on a stage, people say he's not the

00:49:41.120 best debater, but like when he's going back and forth with a report with a reporter, when he's

00:49:45.440 riffing, um, on his own, I do think he's, he's pretty good. The question is whether anyone can,

00:49:52.300 uh, contrast with Trump in a way that gives them longevity, because that just didn't happen in 2015,

00:49:59.100 2016. Um, when you have a chunk of the Republican party that is absolutely wedded to Donald Trump for

00:50:05.500 some, you know, perfectly legitimate reasons as voters, if you talk to people, they have their reasons

00:50:09.800 and they're reasonable and based in, um, some really tough things that have happened in the

00:50:13.940 country. Uh, if you can't peel any of those people away from Donald Trump and you're splitting the

00:50:18.980 rest of the vote between, uh, Ron DeSantis, Tim Scott, Nikki Haley, Sanunu, whoever else thinks

00:50:26.320 they're getting in this race. I forgot about Lisa Hutchinson, whoever else, John Bolton. Don't

00:50:31.320 forget. He announced on good morning Syria or whatever it was. Yeah. And yeah. So, so that

00:50:36.240 leaves, you know, most Republican voters didn't vote for Trump in the 2016 primary. Um, they voted

00:50:42.000 for other options, but it was such a crowded field that Trump consolidated with his base. And so that's

00:50:46.900 a, continues to be a huge problem for anyone who isn't Donald Trump. I mean, if you took the numbers

00:50:52.260 of all those people, Eliana, that we just named, you know, that long laundry list of GOP candidates

00:50:57.160 who have announced even just thus far, it'd probably give you some pretty high percentages.

00:51:01.500 Um, you know, Donald Trump, again, as I say, the latest poll, I think was 61%. So you got what? 39%

00:51:07.540 who are thinking, no, someone other than Trump that leaves an opportunity, but not with that many

00:51:13.580 candidates. I mean, if I were DeSantis, I'd be looking at all those numbers saying that I could

00:51:16.780 get that 39% and I could grow it and I could rest this thing from Trump, but it requires the small

00:51:22.700 matter of everyone else dropping out.

00:51:24.980 We'll see what happens. You know, the others could drop out or they may, uh, cling onto this

00:51:33.220 until the better end. We did see a lot of people drop out in 2016 in the end, you know, was basically

00:51:38.580 Ted Cruz, Donald Trump. And I think John Kasich hung on until the very, very, very end. Um, but we have

00:51:44.340 to have a race, um, first and, you know, Megan, as important as the DeSantis candidacy might be for

00:51:50.700 the country, uh, it'll also be very important for the Republican party. Um, if he is successful,

00:51:56.860 um, that would mean he removes Donald Trump as the most important, um, person and force in Paul in,

00:52:04.340 uh, in the Republican party and as a extraordinarily important force in the country. Um, and we'll see

00:52:12.100 if he's successful at that, but, but the stakes are very high.

00:52:15.280 One thing that cannot happen is if DeSantis announces, as we expect tomorrow night, CNN may

00:52:22.400 not host him for a town hall. Absolutely not. And I actually am not even totally joking because

00:52:30.280 they might lose the remaining four viewers. They have, they, they have no more viewers.

00:52:36.260 There are more people on this panel that are viewing CNN.

00:52:39.000 It's like, throw them, throw them a lifeline here. It's unbelievable. Like I want to bring

00:52:47.200 you through the actual numbers because they, they truly are shocking. Um, let me just lead with this.

00:52:52.060 My good pal, Eric Bowling, who hosts the 8 PM hour over at Newsmax is beating CNN. This is

00:52:58.360 unprecedented. And just so the audience at home knows, I think it's up maybe 25 million more homes

00:53:04.800 have CNN than have Newsmax. So Eric Bowling is fighting with one arm tied behind his back and

00:53:12.940 he's winning. He's beating from the Newsmax anchor desk, Anderson Cooper on CNN. It's extraordinary.

00:53:22.620 And it's a combination of two things. Uh, Tucker got fired while he's not fired. He's still working

00:53:28.000 at Fox news. He's just not actually working. Um, but Tucker got booted off the air and the viewers

00:53:33.260 are angry and they're finding other outlets, whether it's Newsmax and Eric or places like

00:53:36.940 this. Um, they're finding alternatives and Eric, you know, they know Eric from Fox. He

00:53:41.440 would be an acceptable alternative. I think for most of those viewers and he's a, he's a

00:53:44.760 great guy and he's a solid anchor. And so there he goes, he's off to the races. But meanwhile,

00:53:48.680 then CNN hosts this town hall with Trump. Their audience has evaporated, right? So Eric's benefiting

00:53:56.060 from some of that move over from Fox and CNN. They're evaporated. They're gone. I don't know

00:54:00.820 where the CNNers went. Some to MSNBC, I guess, but listen to this. Okay. This is from daily beast,

00:54:06.640 Justin Barragona, uh, who reports, um, more than a week after CNN's disastrous town hall with Trump,

00:54:12.400 the negative impact the fiasco had on the network's ratings is coming into clearer focus.

00:54:16.120 Last week, uh, CNN suffered its lowest rated week since June, 2015. That was right around when they

00:54:24.040 started to take Trump nonstop at every campaign rally to drive their numbers up, averaging just

00:54:29.780 429,000 total daily viewers, 429. That should be their demo. That should be their overall number.

00:54:39.260 They're not even cracking half a million in the overall CNN was also down double digits compared to

00:54:45.960 the same week last year in both total viewership and in the key demo of 25 to 54. Um, hold on a second.

00:54:52.400 They talk about the Fox news plummeting, which we've already discussed. Then they talk about Chris

00:54:56.520 Wallace. He's on Friday nights. Now they tried him on the weekends. It was terrible. Literally. Nobody's

00:55:00.980 watching that show. They moved him to Friday night. Chris Wallace averaged 224,000 total viewers. My

00:55:09.700 God, 200. It's so sad. Emily Jasinski. That's the right face. She's got the sad face on. It's the sad.

00:55:15.780 It's that 224,000 and 45,000 in the demo. It's a slashy Abby. It's officially the slashies. I told

00:55:26.960 the audience back on Fox, you know, you, you'd look at the competition over at MSNBC or wherever,

00:55:31.640 and you'd always kind of snicker when they got down below 50,000 because you don't even, it doesn't

00:55:38.100 show up on the ratings. It's just double slash marks, slashies. It's everyone's worst nightmare.

00:55:42.660 Chris Wallace on CNN is getting slashies in the key demo, um, and also losing to Newsmax. Newsmax

00:55:52.780 is overtaking CNN true existential crisis. Ladies, what do you make of it? Well, that reminds me of

00:56:00.340 the Harvard Harris poll we were just talking about, because if you look at Anderson Cooper,

00:56:03.740 Chris Wallace, these are people who have enormous credibility in the corporate press. These are people

00:56:08.680 that get, uh, nice profiles written about them that are taken very seriously and sort of the

00:56:13.100 vaunted corridors of power and the Acela corridor in general. And so that's remarkable that the country

00:56:19.480 is actually rejecting who the corporate press tells them they must take the most seriously. I think

00:56:24.480 that the name of Chris Wallace's show is who's talking to Chris Wallace. Uh, people can talk all

00:56:29.200 they want. Who's listening to Chris Wallace is actually the real question there. And, um, I,

00:56:33.560 I think it's with CNN. You made Abby spit up her drink. She liked that one, EJ.

00:56:37.840 You're welcome. Um, I'm, I'm, you're all, but, uh, it's the, the, the CNN had this like niche

00:56:43.540 audience during the Trump administration. It's like, why was Stephen Colbert the number one,

00:56:47.740 uh, late night host during most of the Trump administration, despite being the least funny

00:56:51.800 and the most political, it's the antithesis of the Johnny Carson model, but it's because with cable

00:56:56.500 and streaming, everything is a niche now. And CNN had somewhat of a niche anti-Trump resistance audience,

00:57:02.140 like, uh, Stephen Colbert did during the Trump administration. Chris Licht comes in and says,

00:57:07.000 we're going to go back to old CNN. People are going to tune into us for Ukraine war coverage

00:57:10.600 that they can trust to be right down the middle. Well, you can try to rebuild an audience,

00:57:14.700 but you're probably going to lose the niche audience that you, uh, the, the small little

00:57:19.020 niche audience that you had when you're trying to transition back to mass media, it's just not going

00:57:23.880 to work. And that never has panned out for him because he can't, uh, he's throwing the baby out

00:57:29.140 with the bathwater. You can't have both. You can't have woke resistance liberals as your audience.

00:57:33.880 And then also try to do neutral stuff because you're going to lose the woke resistance liberals.

00:57:37.840 Um, and then while you're trying to keep them and like stave the bleeding, you're not going to bring

00:57:43.160 in the new viewers. This is why Eliana, Jeff Zucker was the grim reaper of CNN. He killed it.

00:57:49.880 He killed it. They had a more moderate audience. No, it wasn't a huge one, 0.99

00:57:53.400 but he drove every right of center viewer away entirely. There's not one still watching that

00:58:00.360 channel. And now Chris Lick comes in to try to win them back over and does something like

00:58:05.600 hosting the leading presidential candidate on the GOP side for a town hall where we might explore

00:58:10.540 his views. And the audience is so angry. What, what little they had left has totally abandoned them.

00:58:17.520 They're like, no. So how do you, what, how do you build a business? How do you build a media business

00:58:22.700 based on that? I'm with you. Um, the one exception I would take is that the article you read from the

00:58:30.220 Daily Beast said it, you know, basically pinned the audience decline to the hosting of the town hall. 0.99

00:58:35.320 Um, I think that's total crap. The audience, uh, decline, you know, they, they've struggled with 0.95

00:58:40.200 audience, um, for a long time now. And the audience is terrible because the programming is terrible.

00:58:46.120 And Jeff Zucker in a way boxed in his successors, because as you guys were talking about,

00:58:51.760 he created a brand and for Chris Lick, the new CEO and president to pivot away from that,

00:58:57.760 he can't do it with the same people. Um, Jake Tapper and all those others, they are brand Don

00:59:02.860 Lemon. Those guys are branded as anti-Trump resistance heroes. Now you can tell them to be

00:59:08.240 straight news. Um, but like for folks like us who were watching, you know, we remember what they

00:59:13.280 were saying four years ago. And for all the Republicans who were treated like crap and 0.98

00:59:17.240 stopped going on the network, um, you need new people. And I think to me, that's where, um, 0.98

00:59:23.260 Lick's struggles have been the greatest. Like who's a new, interesting person who's on the air

00:59:27.240 over there. Um, he's moved Caitlin Collins around to like five different shows. Cause she's kind of 1.00

00:59:31.920 the only person who's not a lunatic on that network. Um, but other than that, like he just shuffling

00:59:37.400 deck chairs around and there is no, you know, Charles Barkley and Gail King, like that's kind

00:59:42.140 of interesting for one hour, um, of the entire week. But other than that, like it is pretty hard

00:59:48.320 to be like, Hey, Jake Tapper, you know, you're not a hater anymore. You're going to serve them

00:59:53.040 right down the middle. Uh, that's tough. What about, I mean, Wolf Blitzer, Anderson Cooper,

00:59:58.840 Brianna Keillor, my God, she, she was the biggest hater of all, not to mention Jim Acosta. Like

01:00:05.160 they're, they're up and down the lineup still, all the Trump haters. And yeah, you don't have

01:00:08.480 to have that long a memory, uh, to remember that they hate not just Trump, but the right half of

01:00:12.780 the country. Um, I'll say a word in defense of Jake Tapper, who I actually like, I think he's left,

01:00:17.740 but I think he's a left, he's on the left, but I think he's, he at least tries to be fair. I know

01:00:21.660 people don't agree with me, but that's how I see him. Um, I have to follow up on your reference of

01:00:27.520 Gail King. I wasn't sure we were going to go there ladies, but we're going there. Gail King. All right.

01:00:32.400 She's the answer to CNN's fair and balanced problem. I don't think so. I don't think so.

01:00:37.000 Gail King was at, um, the Preakness this past weekend. This is not sound on tape, right guys?

01:00:43.820 This is just something she said, I think. And, um, she, she said she's taking issue with people 0.56

01:00:50.260 calling out Megan and Harry for their lies, their lies about the car chase, the fake car chase that

01:00:55.240 never happened. The Russiagate of New York paparazzi. Um, she says she has real concerns

01:01:02.000 about people questioning this story. And what's really important is how the couple felt. How did

01:01:08.020 they feel? That's really what we should be focused on. Um, I'll get the exact quote. Let's see.

01:01:14.100 Oh, blah, blah. Well, I don't have it in front of me, but trust me, that's what she said. And she wants

01:01:19.200 us to really try to have more empathy for this couple. Now this reminded me of something

01:01:23.220 that somebody was saying recently, um, to be honest with you, it was an exercise class that

01:01:28.760 I take and they have like these young women up there and they try to offer these little 1.00

01:01:32.880 profundities. And most of them are like 22 years old and haven't done anything or suffered anything,

01:01:36.820 but okay, it's fine. Whatever. It's a distraction from this jumping jacks. And, and the one was saying

01:01:41.800 like judgment, you know, is a negative force. You should feel sorry for people who, who judge others.

01:01:48.380 And I was like, I judge others. You shouldn't feel sorry for me. I judge others because

01:01:52.980 some people deserve to be judged. These two telling lies about our city in order to gin up

01:01:58.560 fake sympathies for themselves so they can promote their own brand. I judge them. I do. And I have no

01:02:02.580 apologies to make for it. And I'll continue judging that. I hope more people judge them.

01:02:06.000 Um, so this all goes down, uh, in the wake of her accepting, which I wanted to run by you,

01:02:12.900 a woman of vision award. And I just went back just to see like, what the hell was she doing?

01:02:18.500 Like at the heart of all this, why was she even in our city? And it was a glorious Steinem award to

01:02:23.320 her for her vision. You see, because she represents women and feminism and female empowerment. And

01:02:30.920 this is how, you know, that's true. In introducing Megan at the event, uh, the person from Ms. Magazine

01:02:36.540 highlighted the Duchess's tenacity and her status as a cultural catalyst. Okay. Okay. You ready?

01:02:45.700 Just like totally vapid, empty words, just like the Duchess. Her core belief that representation 0.98

01:02:51.780 matters, her connection to community through the lens of learning, healing, and inspiring have helped

01:02:59.240 define her as a cultural catalyst for positive change. What a bunch of psychobabble. It's absolutely 1.00

01:03:06.860 empty content. She said nothing about anyone tonight. We are thrilled to recognize Megan's strength,

01:03:13.360 resilience, passion, and tenacity. It's starting to sound like a Kamala Harris speech,

01:03:18.480 which is critical to building a better world for our mothers, our grandmothers, our children,

01:03:23.420 and their children and ourselves. So does that clear it up for you? Why Megan was honored and found

01:03:29.900 herself the subject of such intense paparazzi coverage that everyone needs to feel sorry for 0.90

01:03:35.120 her and accept her lies as true per Gayle King. Emily thoughts.

01:03:38.980 I mean, yeah, first of all, it's very important to judge people in positions of power. It's the

01:03:43.460 one thing our media does too little of, and Gayle King is a great example of that. She was partying 1.00

01:03:47.620 on, I think it was David Geffen's yacht with the Obamas during the Obama administration and then

01:03:52.600 covering the Obama administration for CBS this morning. So that should give you a taste of how

01:03:57.700 seriously she takes journalism, how serious CBS takes journalism. She's in the same social circle

01:04:02.440 with Harry and Meghan. ABC, we all remember, gave Oprah a platform to do an allegedly purportedly

01:04:08.460 tough interview with Meghan Markle. See, that was CBS too. 0.95

01:04:11.760 Oh, there you go. CBS. CBS gives Oprah a platform. They're personal friends. Meghan Markle,

01:04:18.640 Prince Harry, and Oprah are personal friends. Gayle King is personal friends with Oprah. I'm sure she's

01:04:22.800 had personal interactions with Prince Harry and Meghan Markle. So if that's CNN's answer to bringing

01:04:29.180 some seriousness back to their journalism and boosting their credibility or at least their

01:04:33.620 intrigue as journalists or as journalism, it's insane. If that's the person, I think it's crazy

01:04:39.560 that CBS puts Gayle King on that show to this day, given all of her various conflicts of interest.

01:04:44.400 And so what you don't hear in that list from Miss Magazine, which I didn't even realize still existed,

01:04:49.780 I'm shocked that it survived to this point, I guess. But what you didn't hear is a single

01:04:53.960 accomplishment. Maybe they said it and I just didn't hear it. But what has she done?

01:04:57.900 Open to list. When that way she opened the suitcase on deal or no deal. Don't underestimate

01:05:02.640 that, Emily. Stop it. I shouldn't because that is so it is so inspiring when you're able to

01:05:09.120 actually make. She figured out the codes. She unlocked it like that. With the world watching

01:05:14.540 and as a woman. She's made it look easy. Oh, my gosh. It's not easy.

01:05:19.460 This I've got I've got I've gotten the Gayle King soundbite. And here's why it matters. I mean, 0.99

01:05:24.800 to me, this directly relates to what we saw. Speaking of that town hall at the town hall

01:05:28.400 on the subject of E. Jean Carroll. Right. You're not allowed to disbelieve. You're not allowed to

01:05:33.420 you. When somebody says they're a victim, you accept. That's it. Period. Unless they happen to

01:05:37.800 be a Republican, in which case we need to run down all of our all of our avenues of investigation.

01:05:44.540 Here's what Gayle said. It was a very unfortunate incident. It's troubling to me that anyone would try

01:05:48.880 to downplay what it would mean to them. It is unsettling that some are trying to minimize how

01:05:58.940 Harry and Meghan felt in that moment. No, we're not. We're not. We don't believe them, Gayle. We don't

01:06:07.100 believe that they were fearful. We don't believe any part of their story. We believe they enjoy

01:06:11.660 portraying themselves as victims and that that's what they were doing here. The reason the audience

01:06:15.980 in the Trump town hall laughed when he told his bit about E. Jean Carroll and how absurd it would

01:06:20.340 be that there'd be this sexual assault in the middle of Bergdorf Goodman dressing room is because

01:06:24.300 they don't believe E. Jean Carroll and they're not required to. We don't have to believe Jean Carroll

01:06:29.760 and we don't have to believe Meghan Markle. And it's not for Gayle King, a supposed journalist,

01:06:34.900 to judge the rest of us and our discernment on these, at least in the case of Meghan and Harry,

01:06:40.600 100% non-truth tellers. Your thoughts? Also, the person who minimized their experience was the

01:06:48.200 driver. It was the lowly cab driver who was driving them around and said, this actually wasn't as bad

01:06:55.920 as they say it is. And so, yeah. And for a news reporter to say that is so absurd. Either they

01:07:04.560 were hounded by the paparazzi or they weren't hounded by the paparazzi. You know, it's a different sort of

01:07:10.560 interview to ask how this made you feel and not something that, you know, we can choose whether

01:07:16.180 or not to care about how they felt. But that was not the subject of these news reports.

01:07:22.020 No, it's absurd. And like, I don't who gives it. I don't care. Even if they were panicked,

01:07:27.260 they panic over everything. I mean, we saw them panic in their little movie about one guy in a

01:07:31.100 Vespa. Grow up, grow a pair. Okay. Speaking of the media, now we've had another, this has

01:07:38.500 escaped the notice of some, but we've had another Nick Sandman moment in our media over the past

01:07:44.740 couple of weeks. This one involves yet another quote, Karen. All right. This is what the term

01:07:50.460 they use to describe any white woman who gets into a negative encounter with any person of color,

01:07:55.460 whether the white woman's right or wrong. If she complains, she's a Karen. Okay, fine. 0.79

01:08:00.480 Um, there was a woman who's being called city bank, bike city bike, Karen, because in New York,

01:08:08.460 if you want to bike around, you can get these like sort of public bikes, uh, called city bikes.

01:08:14.200 And this woman was down to like the last bike and went over to get the bike and chaos ensued. Um, 1.00

01:08:23.700 we've got a video of it. Forgive me. I'm looking up her name, Sarah Comrie, Sarah Comrie,

01:08:28.600 C-O-M-R-I-E. She was a physician's assistant who worked at Bellevue. She is six months pregnant and

01:08:35.260 she says she rented and reserved this last bike and that she had paid for this last bike. And you

01:08:41.400 will see her in this video surrounded by a couple of black teenagers. They say they are teenagers. 0.90

01:08:46.620 They, they look like, you know, young men to me. Um, they could be 18, 19. I don't know,

01:08:51.600 but there's a confrontation and a disagreement over whose bike it is. And I'll show you a bit of the

01:08:57.300 confrontation.

01:08:58.600 The whole thing, please help me, please help me, please help me, help, please get off me.

01:09:09.600 Please help me, help, please get off me.

01:09:11.600 Yo, don't take it.

01:09:13.600 Now you're not getting the bike.

01:09:15.600 Now you're not getting the bike.

01:09:16.600 Help.

01:09:17.600 You're not getting the bike.

01:09:19.600 Get off me, dude.

01:09:21.600 Why you took his phone? What's wrong with you? Don't touch his phone.

01:09:25.600 I'm not getting the phone.

01:09:26.600 I'm not touching you. 0.96

01:09:27.600 You putting, you putting your stomach on my head. 0.96

01:09:28.600 Help! 0.98

01:09:29.600 Help! 0.98

01:09:30.600 No, no, no, no.

01:09:31.600 I said no.

01:09:32.600 I said no.

01:09:33.600 I said get down. 0.76

01:09:34.600 Guys, guys, guys.

01:09:35.600 Please help me.

01:09:36.600 My bike.

01:09:37.600 She's just crying.

01:09:38.600 Hasan!

01:09:39.600 You're not crying.

01:09:40.600 You're not crying.

01:09:41.600 I got you on video.

01:09:42.600 My bike.

01:09:43.600 I'm drunk.

01:09:44.600 This is my bike.

01:09:45.600 It's on my account.

01:09:46.600 Please move.

01:09:47.600 Alright, so why don't we reset the bike?

01:09:48.600 I'm not resetting the bike.

01:09:49.600 It's his.

01:09:50.600 It's his.

01:09:51.600 It's his.

01:09:52.600 I'm going to throw it out on your account.

01:09:53.600 You're an actor.

01:09:54.600 This is my big client.

01:09:55.600 Guys, this is my big client.

01:09:56.600 Stop touching me. 0.61

01:09:57.600 I don't touch you.

01:09:58.600 Hold up.

01:09:59.600 Hold up.

01:10:00.600 Hey, stop touching me.

01:10:01.600 Stop touching me. 0.61

01:10:02.600 Stop touching me. 0.61

01:10:03.600 Why don't you take this bike?

01:10:04.600 I'm touching me.

01:10:05.600 I'm touching you.

01:10:06.600 Hold up.

01:10:07.600 Hold up.

01:10:08.600 Hey, stop touching me.

01:10:09.600 Stop touching me. 0.61

01:10:10.600 Why don't you take this bike?

01:10:11.600 I'm touching me.

01:10:12.600 Take it.

01:10:13.600 Take it.

01:10:14.600 Take it.

01:10:15.600 Take it.

01:10:16.600 Take it.

01:10:17.600 Take it.

01:10:18.600 Take it.

01:10:19.600 Take it.

01:10:20.600 How you stop crying?

01:10:22.600 Not a tear came down, miss.

01:10:24.600 Come on.

01:10:25.600 Not a tear came down.

01:10:27.600 Take it.

01:10:30.600 That's the whole thing.

01:10:31.600 That's the 90 second video that has ruined this young woman's life. 0.95

01:10:34.600 Um, she's been placed on leave by her employer with some ridiculous statement. 0.65

01:10:42.600 I'll read to you.

01:10:43.600 Uh, we are aware of the video involving a healthcare provider off duty and away from the

01:10:48.600 hospital campus.

01:10:49.600 The incident in the video is disturbing.

01:10:52.600 The provider is currently out on leave and will remain on leave pending a review.

01:10:56.600 As a health system, we are committed to providing an environment for our patients

01:11:00.600 and staff that is free from discrimination of any kind.

01:11:06.600 What, what discrimination?

01:11:08.600 What are you talking about?

01:11:09.600 What they're accusing their own staffer of being racist in that encounter.

01:11:14.600 And the, so many jumped on board this enter Benjamin Crump.

01:11:18.600 I mean, Al Sharpton, I'm sure is two seconds away from tweeting.

01:11:21.600 Benjamin Crump tweets out, this is unacceptable.

01:11:24.600 A white woman was caught on camera attempting to steal a city bike from a young black man in 0.79

01:11:30.600 New York City.

01:11:31.600 How does he know?

01:11:32.600 How does he know what actually happened here?

01:11:33.600 There's a dispute.

01:11:34.600 That's what that shows.

01:11:35.600 She grossly tried to weaponize her tears to paint this man as a threat.

01:11:40.600 This is exactly the type of behavior that has endangered so many black men in the past.

01:11:46.600 All right.

01:11:47.600 So she's pregnant. 0.98

01:11:48.600 He does have hands on her, but she's endangering the black men by yelling help, 0.98

01:11:53.600 right? 0.94

01:11:54.600 Because she's in this confrontation with them.

01:11:55.600 She says it's her bike.

01:11:56.600 Uh, there's this person named Monique judge who writes for the griot and other left wing

01:12:05.600 publications.

01:12:06.600 This is how she begins her piece white women's. 1.00

01:12:10.600 This is the headline. 0.99

01:12:11.600 White women's tears have a long history of causing black death in this country. 1.00

01:12:14.600 Oh, okay. 0.99

01:12:15.600 Oh, just ease us into it.

01:12:17.600 Monique.

01:12:18.600 I was having a conversation.

01:12:19.600 She writes with one of my good friends and she made the following astute observation.

01:12:23.600 You put a white woman in a situation and a Karen will come out. 1.00

01:12:28.600 Then Monique picks it up.

01:12:29.600 Truer words have never been spoken.

01:12:32.600 She calls Sarah Jane Comrie a Karen.

01:12:34.600 She's the latest Karen and just excoriates this woman for her racism. 1.00

01:12:41.600 She ends her piece by saying, um, everyone knows she's on leave from Bellevue hospital as

01:12:46.600 they conduct an investigation.

01:12:47.600 Now everyone knows she could have caused harm to these young men.

01:12:51.600 And now Sarah Jane Comrie is in the find out portion of the game.

01:12:55.600 I hope she gets everything that's coming to her.

01:12:58.600 She deserves it.

01:13:00.600 Okay.

01:13:01.600 As it turns out, Sarah Comrie had the receipt.

01:13:06.600 Her lawyer has now gone on a media, a media tour showing everyone and all of the media,

01:13:12.600 which is definitely against Sarah Comrie ran it down with city bike to see if the receipt

01:13:17.600 is real.

01:13:18.600 And if she really did have the right to the bike, guess what?

01:13:20.600 It's real.

01:13:21.600 She did have the right to the bike. 0.82

01:13:23.600 It was her bike.

01:13:24.600 She did reserve it.

01:13:25.600 Those guys were in the wrong trying to claim that it was theirs when it wasn't.

01:13:29.600 And we know, was she a little odd seeming in the video?

01:13:32.600 Yes.

01:13:33.600 I will give you that.

01:13:34.600 It was sort of odd.

01:13:35.600 Hell, that's a little weird.

01:13:36.600 Okay.

01:13:37.600 But it's not racist.

01:13:38.600 It's not racist.

01:13:39.600 And this woman's life has been ruined so far. 1.00

01:13:42.600 She's not back at her job.

01:13:44.600 She's expecting a baby.

01:13:46.600 I'm sure she's feeling emotional to begin with.

01:13:48.600 We all know you get a little spicy when you got a little baby growing inside of you.

01:13:52.600 And for once, Benjamin Crump had to delete a tweet amazingly, but no apology.

01:13:58.600 No, I'm sorry, Sarah.

01:14:00.600 I falsely condemned you as a racist white Karen, which was unfair to you and every woman named

01:14:08.600 Karen.

01:14:09.600 So is this another Nick Sandman?

01:14:12.600 And what does it say about us?

01:14:14.600 Anybody?

01:14:15.600 Yeah, I was actually working on an essay on this yesterday and I was thinking about how

01:14:20.600 unnatural it is for us to look at these like quick clips.

01:14:24.600 And then like Benjamin Crump, he's an attorney.

01:14:27.600 What is he doing posting an instantaneous reaction that smears someone worldwide?

01:14:32.600 Because on Twitter, you have an international audience based on this tiny little clip and

01:14:37.600 based on this predicate that there's racial animus involved when he truly has absolutely no

01:14:43.600 idea.

01:14:44.600 You can't make assumptions based on a clip.

01:14:46.600 But we know we've seen this happen so many times.

01:14:48.600 Covington Catholic and Nick Sandman is a great example how clips can be deceitful.

01:14:53.600 And so the fact that an attorney, let alone one with a lot of power and attention on his

01:14:58.600 platform, would jump in, I think, tells us so much about how social media has conditioned

01:15:03.600 us to start weighing in on these situations that we don't know any of the people involved.

01:15:07.600 We will never know any of the people involved.

01:15:09.600 But yet many of us feel perfectly comfortable smearing them as racists in a way that pushes

01:15:15.600 their employer to suspend them from work without any evidence.

01:15:19.600 And I mean, if you take the if you take the the races of the people involved here out of the

01:15:26.600 equation, you have a group of young men getting physical with one woman who's on the other

01:15:31.600 side of the dispute, whether she's right or wrong.

01:15:33.600 It's become intimidating that you see how long it takes anyone to intervene in the situation,

01:15:39.600 period, because the incentives of how we interact with each other are shifted when

01:15:43.600 there's a camera phone on in public.

01:15:45.600 And there almost always is.

01:15:46.600 Now, who would want to intervene in the light of what happened in the very complicated

01:15:51.600 Daniel Penny situation on the subway, which is on everybody in New York City's mind?

01:15:56.600 Who would want to intervene when someone is actually in need of help?

01:15:59.600 When you know that your life, your family's life, your children, you could all be smeared

01:16:03.600 and have to change your name and move to some rural area because of all of this stuff.

01:16:09.600 I mean, it just it is so unnatural and sick. 0.94

01:16:12.600 And this is another really good example of how truly screwed up. 0.59

01:16:16.600 I think social media has media.

01:16:19.600 Social media has fueled some incredible dysfunction in our society.

01:16:23.600 Eliana, this raging racist Monique judge doubles down when Benjamin Crump has had to delete his 1.00

01:16:32.600 tweet. It's time to back off.

01:16:34.600 It's time to back off, my friend.

01:16:35.600 It's time.

01:16:36.600 But no, in a piece dated today, May 23rd, she complains that racist trolls from all across

01:16:45.600 the Internet are currently overrunning the comments section of my website, my newsletter

01:16:49.600 and all my social media accounts.

01:16:51.600 They're angry because I've dared to speak openly and honestly about Sarah Jane Comrie,

01:16:55.600 a.k.a. City Bike Karen.

01:16:58.600 Then I just got to read this to you.

01:16:59.600 This is unbelievable.

01:17:00.600 What a racist this person is, how this person writes for any publication is beyond me. 0.98

01:17:03.600 She should be run out of town on a rail. 0.99

01:17:05.600 This person should not be writing for any publication that is easily accessible.

01:17:09.600 She says, side note, we really should be calling these women Carolyn or Carolin's since the behavior 0.98

01:17:15.600 they're emulating when they pull these stunts is akin to that of Carolyn Bryant.

01:17:19.600 Who's Carolyn Bryant? 1.00

01:17:20.600 You might be asking yourself.

01:17:21.600 The woman whose lie got Emmett Till lynched. 0.84

01:17:25.600 Oh, my God.

01:17:26.600 We're there.

01:17:27.600 All right. 1.00

01:17:28.600 This type of behavior is dangerous and could lead to physical harm and even death for black 1.00

01:17:32.600 people. 0.97

01:17:33.600 And we need to be calling it out every time we see it.

01:17:35.600 But I digress.

01:17:36.600 They're all up in arms in defense of Sarah Jane Comrie, a woman whose behavior evidenced

01:17:39.600 in the 90 second video was reminiscent of so many white women before her who have weaponized 1.00

01:17:44.600 their whiteness and their tears to create drama problems and even death for black people 1.00

01:17:50.600 in the past. 0.99

01:17:51.600 And she goes on to say accountability is like kryptonite to whiteness.

01:17:56.600 Whiteness does not like being held accountable. 0.98

01:17:58.600 Whiteness does not like seeing white people being held accountable. 1.00

01:18:02.600 My God, this is the shit poured down on this pregnant woman just for trying to actually claim 1.00

01:18:09.600 the bike she paid for is out of hand. 1.00

01:18:14.600 It is crazy how these small clips of interactions blow up on social media.

01:18:19.600 And then it drives me nuts that everybody, whether you're on the right or the left, there's a

01:18:24.600 rush to cram the situation into whatever your prior, you know, your prior views are.

01:18:29.600 And so on the left, this was an example of racism.

01:18:32.600 On the right, you know, the woman was assaulted.

01:18:35.600 And we actually, you know, the facts are coming out now.

01:18:38.600 But this happened a week ago, you know, the and the facts are just trickling out.

01:18:42.600 And very few people, I think, take the posture that let's actually wait and see what happened

01:18:47.600 here. And this happens every time there's a police shooting, every time there's some kind

01:18:51.600 of altercation like this.

01:18:52.600 I will say on this one, you know, when it came out like you don't see a lot of pregnant

01:18:58.600 woman women approaching groups of black men and trying to steal things from them. 0.95

01:19:03.600 There's not like this vast epidemic of that happening.

01:19:07.600 And so it was just sort of odd on its face, like the story that was going around on social

01:19:12.600 media that this woman approached a group of young men, pregnant woman approached a group

01:19:16.600 of young men and was trying to rest a bike out of their hands seemed questionable.

01:19:21.600 Not something you encounter that often.

01:19:24.600 But like, hey, you know, willing to wait and see all of the evidence and see where we land

01:19:28.600 on this.

01:19:29.600 But like, but, you know, now for the left, like, let's just jam it into all of our

01:19:33.600 priors.

01:19:34.600 You know, this this this has gotten people murdered.

01:19:36.600 It's so true. 0.84

01:19:37.600 No, it's like you remember like when I was pregnant.

01:19:40.600 Sure.

01:19:41.600 I went around starting street fights all the time.

01:19:42.600 You over there.

01:19:43.600 We're stealing sandwiches, not bikes. 0.98

01:19:48.600 It's ridiculous. 0.73

01:19:51.600 But yeah, you're right. 0.75

01:19:52.600 So like, OK, at at best, there was a misunderstanding.

01:19:56.600 I'm going to say at best a good faith misunderstanding by both sides.

01:20:00.600 But you can't that can't be the case because she's white and these guys were black.

01:20:06.600 It has to be about race. 1.00

01:20:07.600 She's the racist. 1.00

01:20:08.600 She could lose her job. 0.99

01:20:09.600 Bellevue ought to be ashamed of itself.

01:20:11.600 Shamed of itself.

01:20:12.600 I totally agree.

01:20:13.600 The suspension from her job is insanity.

01:20:16.600 Insanity.

01:20:17.600 And they should be shamed.

01:20:18.600 It's crazy.

01:20:19.600 That is a lawyer.

01:20:20.600 I hope that lawyer representing her actually does file a lawsuit. 0.99

01:20:23.600 I hope. 1.00

01:20:24.600 Honestly, I've had enough of this shit. 1.00

01:20:26.600 I am done with this shit. 1.00

01:20:28.600 The Nick Sandman stuff. 1.00

01:20:29.600 We can get down the list of stuff that people try to, as you point out, drive into their priors

01:20:34.600 to the to the detriment of the nation, to the detriment of its all.

01:20:38.600 And this kind of stuff actually is going to get somebody hurt.

01:20:40.600 And I know that this woman Monique wants to say, oh, it's always going to be the black 0.95

01:20:44.600 man. 0.87

01:20:45.600 No, you know what?

01:20:46.600 In this particular case, it's going to be the white woman who's six months pregnant with 1.00

01:20:49.600 a little baby that she's responsible for.

01:20:51.600 She didn't deserve this.

01:20:52.600 She didn't deserve what happened to her in that scene.

01:20:55.600 She didn't deserve what you wrote.

01:20:56.600 She doesn't deserve to be smeared by these leftists with an agenda who have the power 1.00

01:21:00.600 of a pen.

01:21:01.600 What she deserves is an apology.

01:21:03.600 It's just it's really infuriating, Emily.

01:21:06.600 And they don't learn.

01:21:07.600 They don't learn.

01:21:08.600 And then CNN, the others, they got sued by Nick Sandman.

01:21:11.600 Still, you got publications running with this running.

01:21:14.600 Yeah.

01:21:15.600 And in CNN, their their ratings, not so hot.

01:21:18.600 A lot of the media ratings, readership, not so hot.

01:21:21.600 And they're still not learning from it.

01:21:23.600 And I think that speaks to how deeply rooted the ideology is among a section of their workforce

01:21:27.600 and even among the C-suite classes terrified of that section of their workforce.

01:21:31.600 And so I think that's an important element of all of this in social media.

01:21:36.600 The way it's designed taps very deeply into some of our worst impulses as human beings.

01:21:41.600 So that's also partially why we don't learn from any of this, because we're addicted to these platforms that are like like tapping into our worst chemical, physical, chemical impulses.

01:21:52.600 And it's just like we get caught in these cycles.

01:21:55.600 And to your point, Megan, people actually have already gotten hurt by it.

01:21:58.600 Like the lies that were told about Jacob Blake wrecked Kenosha, not far from where I grew up.

01:22:03.600 Like people like real people, working class people had their property destroyed. 1.00

01:22:06.600 People died.

01:22:07.600 People were injured.

01:22:09.600 People's lives were changed forever for the worst because of all of that.

01:22:13.600 And so, yes, it's it's absolutely true that it is destroying the country and like lives are actually on the line with this nonsense.

01:22:22.600 And it's going to happen more and more because we just we can't learn from it.

01:22:27.600 Yeah. Meanwhile, these guys, I mean, she says that they touched her.

01:22:32.600 You could see at least they touched the bike and that one of them was saying that her baby was going to be born, quote, retarded. 0.96

01:22:40.600 And it was supposed to be looking at like these poor guys, these poor, poor gentlemanly young guys who that mean, evil, racist Karen was trying to hurt, waging the war with her big pregnant belly. 0.98

01:22:52.600 It's absurd. It's deeply immoral. 0.98

01:22:55.600 All right. Stand by. There's more to get to more with Emily and Eliana right after this quick break.

01:22:59.600 Don't go away.

01:23:00.600 I challenge this committee to produce any witness or evidence against me.

01:23:07.600 And if they do not, I hope they will have the decency to clear my name with the same publicity with which they now have besmirched it.

01:23:17.600 That was, of course, a clip from the godfather, Michael Corleone there testifying for Congress.

01:23:24.600 Now back to the EJs. Honestly, the man has a point. 1.00

01:23:27.600 The man has a point. He has a point. I mean, tell it to Central Park Karen or City Bike Karen.

01:23:32.600 Right. I hope I hope all these people will go clear her good name with the same publicity with which they besmirched it.

01:23:39.600 But they won't. They won't. OK.

01:23:41.600 OK. In addition to the godfather, I got to tell you a quick story. OK, now there is an advertiser named Green Chef and they are trying to get a position in advertising on this show.

01:23:50.600 And they like all the advertisers, they'll send me the thing to see if I like it, you know, because I don't want to tell everybody to go buy it if I don't think it's good.

01:23:59.220 And so they sent me some meals. All right. Now, let me just give you like just a couple of minutes on what happened to me.

01:24:05.220 So on Friday night, Doug made most of the meal and they said it was going to be 25 minutes.

01:24:11.340 It was longer than 25 minutes. I helped out, too, but it was mostly Doug.

01:24:14.060 And Doug's actually pretty good at making meals. He's got like the thing.

01:24:16.860 You make good drinks. You can make good meals. I don't have the thing.

01:24:19.800 And I was like, oh, this is kind of hard. So it's all kind of a lot of work. But Doug was doing most of it.

01:24:25.240 So anyway, long story short, we served it and it was like chicken over noodles and it was delicious.

01:24:33.440 It was gourmet. It was like the best thing we've ever made. Look at this.

01:24:38.240 I'm telling you, it was legit. I'm like, I'm totally going to advertise with this company.

01:24:42.540 I love, love, love their meal. Then then we had, you know, two more.

01:24:46.380 So Sunday night rolls around and we made the next meal. And that was Doug.

01:24:53.780 Doug volunteered to do that one on his own. I'm like, great. Love you, babe. Thanks so much.

01:24:57.640 And not surprisingly, it turned out great. It was amazing. It was another chicken dish.

01:25:02.720 And this one had like spinach with it. And I can't remember exactly what it was called, but look at it.

01:25:08.920 Absolutely tasty. The spices they give you make or break the dish. And in this case, they make it.

01:25:13.800 So I'm like, we're on a roll. I'm like, honey, I got the next one.

01:25:16.200 There's a third meal. I'm going to make it. So, you know, me in the kitchen, it doesn't go well.

01:25:21.740 It never goes well. It's literally never gone well. So I go in there. I'm following the directions and

01:25:26.260 it's like some Mediterranean dish. I'm like, okay, I can make it. It's got like hummus. It's got a

01:25:30.100 bunch of veggies. So I'm following the directions. I'm cutting. I'm, there's all so much cutting and

01:25:33.720 I'm slicing and I'm dicing and I'm mixing and I'm adding olive oil and the spices and all the stuff.

01:25:38.000 And I do the right bowls, just like they told me, this is my work in progress. And I, and it took me

01:25:42.580 longer than 25 minutes. Cause it's me. I'm like, this is a lot of work. I can actually, this is more

01:25:46.300 than I bargained for, but I think I'm getting, I'm doing it. I can't wait to serve this amazing

01:25:50.160 dish up to my family. And I looked down and I made salad. I literally made salad. It took me an hour.

01:26:01.160 I didn't realize all I was making was an appetizer.

01:26:07.620 Wasn't a good salad. And once again, for the second mom will cook a vegetarian meal in a row 0.99

01:26:14.140 on a Monday, we ordered a pizza the second week in a row. But Doug goes, the kids are really loving

01:26:21.440 vegetarian night, honey. It's turned into sausage pizza two weeks in a row. So do you ladies cook? 1.00

01:26:29.360 I mean, is it just me? No, no, no. Those meal services are, they're really hit or miss,

01:26:36.340 but cooking I found in the social media era is actually a really good way to just put your phone

01:26:41.760 down. Cause you can't really text and cook. It's a good way to just kind of like unwind at the end

01:26:47.640 of the day. And I never was a big, I was never really into cooking. Oh my gosh, Emily. Yes.

01:26:53.980 You, you can come over to my house and unwind while you cook me dinner. And I will sit there

01:27:01.220 and lay back and have a glass of wine. Cause that is not how I unwind. Oh my gosh.

01:27:06.700 Well, we unwind with Bravo Eliana and I do that too. Yes. When I hear people like, Oh,

01:27:11.140 it's just so relaxing to cook up this beautiful meal and serve it to people. I know, no, there's

01:27:17.300 no cooking going on. Um, it is very rudimentary, very, very rudimentary. Like, you know, the roasted

01:27:24.840 chicken from the deli section and some rice. Oh, Oh, have you, do you follow Emily Zanotti

01:27:30.840 on Twitter? Emily Zanotti, Fox news. She's got three toddlers. That bitch is cooking up a storm, 1.00

01:27:39.500 a gourmet meal every night. I don't know how she does it. I, I, that roasted chicken. She posted 1.00

01:27:43.340 on like in my wildest dreams. I know I'm not going to be able to do this. I'm so envious of her. I

01:27:48.440 worked up a sweat, making a salad. It was a salad. Once again, back to the pizza. Anyway,

01:27:55.840 it's a sad, sad story. And I'm in a debate right now in my own head about whether I should just

01:28:00.880 hire somebody to help me because apparently even with green chef, which has given me amazing 0.91

01:28:06.280 ingredients and they've idiot proof, the instructions, I still can't nail it. I just 0.64

01:28:11.300 wanted you to know that. Um, Megan, let's have Emily cook for us. She can relax and cook and we 1.00

01:28:16.740 can relax, have a glass of wine. Yes. And we can watch Bravo.

01:28:20.840 Yeah. Yeah. Wouldn't that be good. I'll just listen.

01:28:25.040 You guys are Bravo. And I love the real housewives of Miami love. If you're not watching it,

01:28:31.260 you're missing out. Um, not the, not the old episodes. You have to watch the recent episodes.

01:28:35.860 Okay. Speaking of women and the troubles we go through, um, they're having the con film festival 0.99

01:28:42.300 right now. And it's always kind of interesting to see, like, is there a big hit, you know,

01:28:46.480 that's going to come our way that we might actually be interested in. They said that there was

01:28:50.300 a Leonardo DiCaprio movie with Martin Scorsese. They got like a 12 minute standing ovation,

01:28:54.640 probably just because he's, these big stars are in it, but whatever. Okay. We'll see what that's

01:28:58.600 all about. Um, what's making headlines right now for all the wrong reasons is the fashion. All right.

01:29:04.720 Julia Fox, Irina shake, and a couple of others are stealing the headlines for their non clothing. 0.96

01:29:11.760 They're naked. They showed up at the events naked. This one woman, Julia Fox, um, actually had 1.00

01:29:18.400 no bra and no shirt on. Um, this is, this is one of the pictures we could show you. We couldn't get

01:29:24.200 the rates to the other picture, but in the real picture, it's totally, she's as the left would 0.95

01:29:28.880 say, she freed the nipple. Well, we didn't need her nipple to be free. Uh, I didn't need to see the 0.92

01:29:33.120 nipple, uh, the nipple. It's not that great a nipple. I didn't want to see it while I was just 0.98

01:29:39.700 searching online for the news, but there it is. Then the other gal, Irina shake, who used to date, 0.85

01:29:44.720 um, I don't know. Is it Matthew McConaughey? Bradley Cooper. There we go. They're kind of

01:29:48.820 the same person. Um, same thing that the little leather, just a little leather strap across the

01:29:54.120 nipple. That's it. Look at this outfit. This is like, where, where is their modesty? Like I,

01:29:59.800 I know I sound old and I understand like that they're models and they get attention, but like,

01:30:05.100 why do they feel the need to do this to bear it all? Right. I recognize NASA is not calling them

01:30:11.040 for their thoughts on nuclear physics and they're not rushing off the con red carpet to go to their

01:30:16.200 mensa meeting. Okay. I get it. I get it. But does that mean that they have to totally sacrifice

01:30:20.700 class and dignity and elegance because our girls are watching this crap. Our girls are watching this. 0.99

01:30:28.200 Look at this. This is her not at the pool. This is her walking through the hotel lobby.

01:30:32.600 And I like, I don't, what kind of message are they sending? Right? Like what it's look at me,

01:30:38.040 look at my underwear, look at my nipple, look at my under boob. I I'm like what I don't care to see 0.96

01:30:43.860 it. What, what I, what I would really like to see is something else. Discretion, some discretion.

01:30:49.140 There's the model Ashley Graham doing the same ass thing. What do you think? 1.00

01:30:53.600 Well, the point that they're at con, I think is a really interesting one because this is supposed

01:30:57.220 to be like the pinnacle of artistic achievement in cinema. Like this is where people show the,

01:31:02.020 the edgiest, the, the most spectacular, um, achievements in cinema, um, every year. And so

01:31:08.660 to have artists, I think come and, uh, be, be celebrated and to be dressed like this by designers,

01:31:15.520 I think speaks to the last concept of, of beauty. Like these are actually, this is a group of people

01:31:20.300 that really should be gatekeeping beauty that should be celebrating beauty. And in a postmodern

01:31:24.360 world, um, what they do mostly is, is tear down beauty and they see beauty as something that is

01:31:29.620 relative. I think this is, uh, particularly the Julia Fox, the Kanye West's ex is a really

01:31:34.660 interesting example of this. Somebody who is seen as, as edgy, someone who's seen as kind of

01:31:39.780 interesting and talented and cutting against the grain in the fashion world. Um, and in the art

01:31:45.800 world, well, if you're really cutting against the grain in the fashion world and the art world,

01:31:49.660 and I've actually had the same thought about some of, of Kanye West stuff, like you should be

01:31:54.000 building up beauty. You should be presenting an image of true beauty of truth, something that is

01:32:00.340 rooted in truth instead of this postmodern relativism that says that is beautiful. That

01:32:04.920 is feminine because it's actually not. And it's just a one last quick point. The other side of this

01:32:10.020 coin is, is the way Billie Eilish sort of presented herself when she first came into the music scene.

01:32:14.920 She said she dressed like that because seeing people on Instagram dressed in the way that Julia Fox and

01:32:19.680 Ashley Graham were gave her basically body dysmorphia, made her want to cover herself. Um, 0.85

01:32:24.960 and we've seen Abigail Schreier has reported that's pushed girls into the social contagion aspect of

01:32:30.900 rapid onset gender dysphoria. Uh, so there are real consequences to, to celebrating this kind of 0.78

01:32:37.160 dress. It's so unnecessary, Eliana, you can be totally sexy and alluring. Have you ever seen that

01:32:43.660 video online? They post it sometimes of like this woman in this black dress that is sexy, 0.56

01:32:48.660 but not revealing walking down the streets of Italy. And like everybody there is like every

01:32:53.760 single man and woman is just stare. Like she's got the thing, you know, she's got the effervescence. 1.00

01:32:58.640 It's true beauty and sophistication and sexiness without just the crass, sweaty, try hard feel to it.

01:33:08.700 Um, I mean, I don't even really have words for it. It's just like totally vulgar.

01:33:14.660 The first woman is literally wearing a shower curtain, like a see-through shower curtain is what 1.00

01:33:21.560 it looks like with like, uh, fuzzy things on it. Um, but I, you know, I remember somebody saying in

01:33:29.660 the past that like, you know, men like very vulgar things when they're like 18 or whatever, and

01:33:34.200 probably always, but they graduate to like something more sophisticated and European and French.

01:33:38.760 Like this is like the base level, um, of sexuality and vulgarity that is like not sanded down or refined

01:33:48.500 at all. Um, yes, it's so true. It's, it's just, what's next. Absolutely no clothing. Just, just parade

01:33:54.920 naked. Fine. Let that be the example. I already see like with the young girls, their dresses are more 1.00

01:33:59.900 like belts. You see the bottom. It's like, Oh my God, where's I can see Fanny. Like that's,

01:34:04.340 I don't like these examples. I understand. Look, my own daughter will hopefully follow my lead

01:34:09.460 and not dress like this, but I care about more than my daughter. I care about our country and I

01:34:13.040 care about our girls. And this is just crass and sad and classless, Emily and Eliana, the opposite of

01:34:20.460 all those things. Love, love, love. And the EJs are here. Thank you so much. Yeah. Thanks for being

01:34:25.840 here. And tomorrow we go from the EJs to VDH. Victor Davis Hanson is back with me. There's so much to

01:34:32.680 discuss with him. Target is now in a spiral. They are spiraling over the pushback. They're

01:34:38.340 getting on their trans bathing suit with a tuck, with a pouch that you can tuck your penis, 1.00

01:34:45.580 a woman's bathing suit and VDH has thoughts. So that'll be interesting. Uh, please go ahead and 1.00

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The Megyn Kelly Show - May 23, 2023

Fox News and CNN's Disastrous Ratings, and ＂CitiBike Karen＂ Smears, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson ｜ Ep. 556

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