The Megyn Kelly Show - Fox Ratings Crater Post-Tucker, and Lia Thomas Slams Women, with Allie Beth Stuckey, Melissa Francis, and Tatiana Siegel

00:00:00.460 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:11.560 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Thursday.

00:00:15.820 Tucker Carlson returns in epic Tucker fashion, trolling Fox News last night with a video posted

00:00:22.220 right at 8 p.m. during his old time slot and gaining millions and millions of views

00:00:28.520 in a matter of hours. He blew doors on the numbers he would have gotten had he been

00:00:32.300 on the Fox News channel. Meanwhile, his old network is shedding viewers by the second.

00:00:37.980 We'll give you the numbers and they are stunning. It truly is one of those Bud Light, you know,

00:00:44.640 Fox News saying, hold my beer. I mean, it's they've pulled a Bud Light. If you look at what's

00:00:49.200 happening in the eight o'clock hour right now, the viewers are angry as they should be. And as Fox

00:00:55.540 continues to not just, you know, having fired Tucker, um, embarrass him, but absolutely ruin

00:01:02.620 him. That's clearly their goal. They want to ruin the rest of his group. Why? What did he do?

00:01:08.760 Walk us. What was so horrible that you had to take a guy who loyally served you for all those years,

00:01:13.620 including getting you through the post Trump era at Fox and keeping you number one, that he now has

00:01:18.740 to be destroyed because that's what they're absolutely doing. Trust me. This comes as the New York

00:01:24.300 Times reports on a quote, startling, startling discovery that it says helped lead to the breakup

00:01:31.800 between Tucker and Fox. Uh, now I'm going to get to my guest in one second, but I want to tell you

00:01:37.500 something about this report in this report. The New York times says, um, it has obtained video in video

00:01:49.040 obtained by the times. Mr. Carlson is shown off camera, right? First of all, what does that mean?

00:01:56.960 What do you mean? He's shown off camera, either he's on camera and you can see him or he's off

00:02:02.080 camera and he's not shown. Are you saying he can be heard off camera? I think what they mean is he is

00:02:08.080 shown on camera, but not on air. I think what they mean is they have a tape of Tucker during a commercial

00:02:16.400 break. And I believe this likely happened, um, and was taped by someone at Fox who wanted to hurt

00:02:24.780 Tucker. How else would Fox news have all the taped minutes of Tucker while on camera, but not on the air

00:02:34.240 unless they, they intentionally taped him and then had somebody go back and pour over them for anything

00:02:39.920 that might be damaging to Tucker. And this is the New York times second of two big reveals. I'll get

00:02:45.940 to the other one in a second, but this big reveal is he's shown off camera again, what discussing quote

00:02:53.220 his post menopausal fans and whether they will approve of how he looks on the air in another video.

00:02:59.760 So there's multiple he is overheard describing a woman. He finds quote yummy. This is it. This is

00:03:07.060 the big bombshell. I guess they have on Tucker from clearly pouring through his outtakes during a

00:03:12.920 commercial break while talking to his staff in an offhanded manner. Is that what happened? Who did

00:03:17.400 that? Who called through all those moments? Irina, Irina Briganti who loves to destroy people, uh,

00:03:25.060 when they leave Fox news, that's her job. That's what she gets paid to do. Right. So does the

00:03:30.420 responsibility really stop with her? Who would sit there and call through hours of off air moments

00:03:38.340 of an anchor trying to look for shit to use against them and then leak it to the New York times.

00:03:44.980 Listen again to the sentence in video obtained by the times. How, how would they get this kind of

00:03:50.240 video? It's not from Abby Grossberg, the disgruntled producer. She's revealing her tapes.

00:03:55.060 She, she wouldn't have to hide that. She gave it to the time. She's like, I've got tapes. Take a

00:03:58.400 listen, take a look. So where'd they get it? They don't say obtained by the times he is shown off

00:04:04.680 camera discussing post-menopausal fans and a woman he describes as yummy. So you get it. He's a pervert.

00:04:10.980 He doesn't like post-menopausal women, I guess. Is that, is that really where we're going to go?

00:04:16.440 He's wondering how they'll feel about how he looks. What does that tell us? Cares about how he looks.

00:04:22.200 He cares about his older audience and he finds a certain woman yummy. Oh, he's a dirt bag. I get

00:04:26.420 it. So he doesn't love his wife. That's the implication. That's what they do trying to

00:04:32.040 destroy. We have no idea in which context this came up, whether it was said in jest,

00:04:36.100 whether there was a lead into it, none. And we never will have because that's not how the game

00:04:41.740 works. That's just the second piece of the New York times article today. There's a first piece

00:04:48.120 about the startling discovery made by Fox news on the eve of the dominion trial. And as we discuss

00:04:55.200 that, I'm going to bring in my friend, uh, and also former Fox news anchor, Melissa Francis,

00:05:00.700 Melissa, great to have you here. Um, I should tell the audience you and I've been over this

00:05:05.200 before on this very program, but you too got the ax from Fox news in the midst of anchoring well and

00:05:12.500 performing your duties. And, uh, I can't remember whether it was on the segment or in the press,

00:05:19.020 but you were in the midst of an arbitration with Fox news over, uh, equal pay when they were supposed

00:05:25.000 to produce a bunch of discovery on salaries to you. And that, that day you suddenly were fired.

00:05:28.640 You're just like suddenly fired via your camera where a message popped up saying you've been

00:05:34.460 canceled. So absolutely delightful behavior. Um, let's stick with Tucker here. The, the,

00:05:40.040 the first headline in the New York times piece is the startling discovery. Private messages sent by

00:05:46.640 Mr. Carlson that had been redacted in legal filings in the dominion case showed him making highly

00:05:52.200 offensive and crude remarks that went beyond the inflammatory, often racist comments of his prime

00:05:58.400 time show. Uh, this is the New York times and anything disclosed in the lead up to the trial.

00:06:03.220 Despite the fact that Fox's trial lawyers had these messages for months, they admit all this stuff was

00:06:10.240 in the possession of the lawyers for months, the Fox board. Okay. The board and listen to this,

00:06:15.520 Melissa, some senior executives were now learning their details for the first time. Some, and the reason

00:06:22.500 they have to use the word some is because the executives that needed to know the ones who are actually in

00:06:27.280 power were told about these messages as soon as forever. Everybody knew. So this is how they can

00:06:32.380 keep it truthful. They widened the circle you see. And that is what caused the recoiling by some

00:06:38.280 executives who are just now learning about it, not to mention the board to find out. And we know this

00:06:43.420 from the wall street journal, uh, a piece yesterday, what, what was in the messages? He allegedly referred

00:06:47.940 to a senior executive there by the C word as, as the C word. I'm going to just setting it up.

00:06:54.560 This piece does not go on to say which executive he called that word, but I'm telling you right now,

00:07:00.040 it was Irina Briganti. It was the head of the comms department at Fox news, but that's not good enough.

00:07:05.620 You see, because Irina Briganti is loathed by pretty much everyone and no one would feel a ton of sympathy

00:07:11.260 in learning that, nor would they believe that Tucker was fired over using that word about her.

00:07:16.020 So enter some very helpful lefties this morning, like Joe Scarborough, who falsely says, I got this

00:07:22.900 from Bill Maher. It wasn't Irina. It was Suzanne Scott, the CEO of Fox news. Listen to what happened

00:07:30.300 on morning. Joe today. I saw a clip from this weekend, uh, Bill Maher this past week, and he actually

00:07:39.920 was reading some of the text messages and he read the ones that came out where Tucker Carlson called

00:07:48.580 the head of Fox news, a woman, the C word, which I, I, I noticed, I mean, it's just in the United

00:07:57.520 States, you just don't say it. You just don't say it. He went on to say specifically Suzanne Scott,

00:08:03.120 Suzanne Scott, Suzanne Scott. It wasn't Suzanne Scott. And that would put it in a different category

00:08:07.900 potentially. Um, but it wasn't Suzanne Scott and Bill Maher never said it was Suzanne Scott.

00:08:12.980 So I don't know what he's referring to. It wasn't her. And it does have a distinction because in one

00:08:18.240 situation you're talking about his boss and in one, you are not, you're talking about a woman who has

00:08:23.400 terrorized many Fox news anchors from the dawn of time. Um, I've told this story before on the air,

00:08:29.300 but Mike Huckabee came over to me one day, he was running for president and he was like,

00:08:32.760 what's wrong with this woman? I read a Briganti. And I said, she screams at everybody, Mike. And he

00:08:37.020 said, I'm literally running for president. She's screaming at me. That's who she is. You've been

00:08:42.360 there. I've been there. But what do you make of the big startling discovery and the big scoop by the

00:08:48.060 New York times? First of all, I just want to say to, to make that connection, you were talking about

00:08:53.700 the clip that they released. Obviously that's a response to him getting more views last night.

00:09:00.540 And they released a clip to the New York times trying to separate him from his fans. So he's

00:09:06.500 calling his fans post-menopausal. They're looking at how many views he got last night versus how many

00:09:14.540 views their eight o'clock time slot got. And their operation now is to try and separate his fan base

00:09:20.640 from him, which I will say is what ultimately all of this is ultimately about. They want to damage him

00:09:28.160 and ruin him so he can't go somewhere else. Um, first of all, back to the article that you're

00:09:32.860 talking about the first drop that it's because of this text, this text that came out and he called

00:09:37.160 a senior woman, um, a horrible word and a horrible name in these texts. Well, I would just say if they

00:09:45.200 want us to believe that they are firing people based on the dominion discovery, then the whole building

00:09:51.100 must be empty this morning because there were so many things in that discovery that deserved firing

00:09:57.180 for if that's the road they're going to go down. It is laughable. And I would also say that when I

00:10:04.120 worked at Fox news, there was a manager of mine who sent an email calling me a misogynistic sexist name

00:10:13.180 and talking about it, demeaning my behavior, he sent it around to all of the managers and accidentally

00:10:20.980 included me. We've all done that to be honest, when you're gossiping about someone and you add them to

00:10:25.460 the two. So he did that when I received that email, I went directly to Suzanne Scott's office because she

00:10:31.840 also was copied on the email. And I said, what the fuck? Like, yeah, I mean, and she shrugged it off.

00:10:39.480 And that man who sent that email demeaning me in a sexist and misogynistic way still works there.

00:10:45.540 In fact, he was the author of many of the things you read in the dominion case. And I checked yesterday,

00:10:51.860 he's still there. So this idea that something in a text would be so awful that they wouldn't,

00:10:59.300 they're on the side of women. They don't want to subject Fox women to an environment where you have

00:11:04.900 someone like Tucker saying those words. That is a bald faced lie. And I can tell you for sure,

00:11:10.360 I received the email myself about myself. And so did all the other managers. And that was something

00:11:15.480 that was sent company wide to undermine me and undermine my position at the network. And,

00:11:22.040 you know, to call me things that you call women that you're trying to demean, it was in black and

00:11:27.620 white, it was on their email. So they definitely do not care about anything they read in these texts or

00:11:34.120 emails. That's just cover.

00:11:36.060 It's not like you were trying to get this guy fired at the time. You were just like,

00:11:39.240 this is bullshit. Reign him in. I don't want to deal with this nonsense. But the standard was never

00:11:43.760 go have this person fired, have that person fired. It's in Fox News. And those of us who have worked

00:11:48.980 there tend to have thick skins. The what's happening here is they're pretending that they

00:11:54.260 don't. They're pretending that they're a bunch of eggshells like, oh, my God, Tucker,

00:11:59.040 he used the C word about a senior executive. And if you can get the players at Morning Joe to amp

00:12:04.020 it up even further and say it's actually the CEO, the only female CEO in the industry for a lot of

00:12:09.740 years, even better, which is a lie and wrong. But there's a reason they got it wrong in a way that

00:12:15.020 reflects poorly on Tucker. So they're not. These are not. No one's on their fainting couch over at

00:12:21.240 Fox News and reading a single thing Tucker wrote in those texts.

00:12:24.000 Absolutely correct. And also, I mean, I think what galls me when I read these articles,

00:12:29.520 me personally, is that they want you to believe that Fox News is on the side of women.

00:12:34.080 And we know for sure, I know from my own personal experience, that's definitely not true. I mean,

00:12:38.940 as I told you about the exact same situation where there was an email sent out about me and they did

00:12:44.940 nothing and the person still works there. But then there's also, you know, the person that is still

00:12:50.100 negotiating for them to this day. Diane Brandy, who told me women make less. It's just a fact.

00:12:56.960 That's just the way the world works. That was another woman telling me that about pay at Fox

00:13:03.080 News. At the time, she had two professional actresses out there playing her in motion pictures,

00:13:10.860 trying to win awards in bombshell and loudest voice, playing her hurting women inside Fox News.

00:13:17.720 She's a private person and she's a lawyer. So if those representations of her really hurting and

00:13:24.420 damaging women were untrue, she certainly would have sued for defamation, but she didn't lift a

00:13:30.220 finger. So obviously she's admitting that she hurts women left and right, yet she's still there

00:13:36.900 doing contracts. So for Fox to pretend like they give two shits about protecting women is just

00:13:44.860 laughable. This is a joke. This is an obvious attempt at taking him down. And the, the business

00:13:52.220 about, you have to read the report, you know, carefully to figure out. And then they go on to

00:13:55.100 say that the redacted text messages, uh, they were an important factor in his ultimate dismissal. Oh,

00:14:02.960 okay. And that's the tell, right? And then they say the redacted messages were a catalyst. Again,

00:14:09.320 it's back to some senior executives found out just on the eve of the dominion trial. They knew at least

00:14:16.800 as of August, 2022, that Tucker had used the C word in a reference to Sidney Powell because he was

00:14:23.460 deposed all about it. It's in writing. We've seen the deposition transcript. It's been made public

00:14:27.480 in the dominion filings. It would have been before August of 2022 that they knew because Tucker would

00:14:32.220 have had to search his correspondence, turn it over to the Fox lawyers. Then they turn it over to

00:14:37.100 dominion. Then it winds up in a dominion brief and then, and then Fox, uh, Tucker gets deposed

00:14:42.180 about the word. So the deposition is the last thing in that chain. And that happened in August

00:14:46.640 of 2022. Now we're in April of 2023. And they want us to believe this is a shock that he would ever use

00:14:53.080 that word. As far as I can tell, it was only about Sidney Powell that time and the arena, I believe in

00:14:59.080 this particular exchange. And it was not a shock to them that it had been bandied about. They,

00:15:03.860 they would have seen it in the text messages long before the eve of the dominion trial.

00:15:08.660 This is a fig leaf. And what do you make of the video in a video obtained by the video obtained by

00:15:16.180 the times. And then in another video, he's shown off camera discussing these two things.

00:15:23.380 So I think that we all know I had a studio in my house during COVID. I know that's where Tucker has

00:15:28.600 been working from as well. Um, you know, I know from producers at the time and, and I think it's

00:15:33.580 normal practice. They're rolling on the whole entire thing. So even when you're in a commercial

00:15:37.540 break, whatever you say, that's kept alongside the fact that they would go back and comb through

00:15:43.600 these things and look for something specific, if this is where the video came from. And like you,

00:15:48.780 from reading the context, that's what it feels like to me, that it was this comment that was made

00:15:53.820 while his mic and camera was hot. We've certainly seen other people get embarrassed by hot mic in

00:15:59.040 the past. The point is why did they keep the video and go through it? And suddenly it surfaces now at

00:16:04.080 the New York times, Megan, I think this is the really, really important point for people out

00:16:08.720 there. And if you want to boil it down to one thing and understand Fox and everybody else,

00:16:14.780 they have the 100% right to decide who they want on their air and when, and they have the right to

00:16:22.440 decide at any point in time that they don't want this person representing them any longer.

00:16:28.500 They do not have the right to systematically ruin and destroy people on the way out the door

00:16:37.700 for the sole purpose so that you can't work again somewhere else so that you can't go across the street

00:16:44.540 and take your audience over to their competitor. This is a normal thing in our business. It's not just

00:16:51.360 Fox. I mean, I watched this happen to you at NBC and I know you can't talk about this, but I watched

00:16:57.340 it happen. They pull you off the air and then they have all the microphones because as the talent,

00:17:05.480 you can't speak out at the time about anything related to your departure because you are risking

00:17:12.560 breaching your contract and you are risking then that they won't have to pay you anything. And none of

00:17:18.740 us can afford that. We can't afford to be fired without any severance. And you're just out on your

00:17:23.040 own, especially when they're going to do their damnedest to make sure you never work again.

00:17:28.220 So you're sitting there holding your tongue and they are in front of all the microphones,

00:17:33.860 just dumping whatever file they have on you, anything they can dig up true or false. I mean,

00:17:41.700 arena Berganti practice practically has a byline in the wall street journal. She's just pouring it in.

00:17:47.260 She's sending stuff over to the New York times. They're just going to fill the airwaves with

00:17:51.900 anything they can say about you. NBC did the exact same thing to you and you can't say anything.

00:17:56.700 And by the time you settle with them and by the time you get all of your legal things wrapped up,

00:18:02.000 there's a sentence after your name that stuck with you for the rest of your life. That's why you

00:18:07.760 departed from wherever. And it will say Tucker Carlson who parted with Fox news because of sexist

00:18:13.620 comments that were uncovered during the Dominion case. And that's not why they fired him, but that's

00:18:19.840 what they want. They want to get that in there and they want to separate him. This is their time

00:18:24.860 to damage him, ruin him and separate him from his audience so that he can't work in the business

00:18:31.140 again and he can't take them somewhere else. This is the thing we see each and every time watch it

00:18:36.460 happen, the next time someone gets pulled off the air, they're quiet, they're trashed, their reputation

00:18:43.160 is ruined, their career is ruined, and they have to sit silently because their former employer holds

00:18:51.400 all the money and they're not independently wealthy to sit there and kiss off that money on the way out

00:18:56.740 the door. Because the more you make, the more money you're talking about never getting and you're

00:19:01.200 looking down the barrel of potentially never working again. Right. So first of all, trigger,

00:19:06.080 but yeah, right. Your analysis just in general, I would say is spot on. And the, the baiting of the

00:19:13.680 talent into breaching, right? Like they take a talent like Tucker who hasn't breached. It's clear that they

00:19:18.220 don't have cause to fire him or they would have. There's not even a report from the Fox side saying

00:19:23.500 he breached his contract and he's getting fired and he's not getting paid. Um, so, but they'd love for

00:19:28.540 him to give them cause by speaking to the press, by doing something that would violate his contract

00:19:32.880 so that they don't have to give him a dime. Now you're fired and you don't have any of the money

00:19:37.460 and it's just a, they can say whatever the hell they want about you. But so if they can keep him

00:19:41.960 shut up long enough while they are, they're the only ones who have the power to speak out via the

00:19:46.480 journal, via the times, via whatever reporters they're talking to, then that's great. They're winning

00:19:51.120 the entire PR war. And by the time it's all said and done and they sign a separation agreement,

00:19:55.400 the damage is done. They don't care what happens at that point. And I will tell you this. When I

00:19:59.180 left Fox news of my own volition, right? I, I, they wanted me to stay. I left kindly and with a

00:20:04.800 handshake and a, and a thank you for the many years I'd had there. They tried very hard to get me to

00:20:10.440 sign a non-disclosure. And I said, I'm not doing that. Why would I, why would I do that? And they

00:20:15.300 were very angry. And it is one of the reasons why things I think on their end soured toward me because I

00:20:20.720 was like, I'm not signing that. And that's the reason I'm able to tell stories like the ones I'm

00:20:24.780 telling right now. Cause I refused to sign one. And there's a whole other backstory, which I'll

00:20:29.540 get to someday about that. But you know, at NBC, I didn't have that kind of power in the moment.

00:20:34.680 Uh, at Fox, I was at the end of a deal. I thought I had friends there who weren't going to stab me in

00:20:39.660 the back just for not signing a non-disclosure and for making the choice to go to a job that would let

00:20:44.180 me raise my family. Didn't quite work out that way. This is one of the reasons why it's so annoying

00:20:48.940 to see it done over and over to good people like Tucker, what who did nothing to Fox news other

00:20:54.460 than make them number one. And now Melissa, they're hemorrhaging, hemorrhaging viewers in the APM.

00:21:00.660 I've never seen anything like this. The audience is furious. I'll give you the numbers. Um, overall

00:21:07.060 Tuesday last night, the overall number, meaning all the audience, um, they went down from seven to eight.

00:21:12.380 That never happens. Jesse waters had 1.8 million. Kill me. It's not about kill me. It's about

00:21:17.980 the fact that Tucker's not there. Kill me pulled 1.7. So they went down, um, Tucker's previous

00:21:24.420 Tuesday, 3.2 million. So they went from 3.2 million on a Tuesday to 1.7 million without Tucker and the

00:21:31.700 key demo, which is the one, you know, they really pay attention to the previous Tuesday. Tucker got

00:21:35.640 481,000 on Tuesday. The APM got 149,000. They lost 340,000 in the key demo, uh, CNN and MSNBC beat

00:21:53.160 Fox's APM hour in the demo. As Oliver Darcy pointed out last night on CNN, these are the worst ratings

00:22:00.080 that the channel has had in that demo since pre nine 11, Melissa, since pre nine 11, 23 years ago.

00:22:07.400 No, that's amazing. And you know, the, the, what they're going to try and do and the point that they

00:22:12.000 would make is that yes, that's just the immediate aftermath. And we are going to build those people

00:22:17.740 back. Who knows? But I was laughing when I read, I think it was in the wall street journal in that

00:22:23.100 article that clearly arena Brigante basically wrote herself that they said that after bill O'Reilly and

00:22:29.160 Megyn Kelly left, ratings were fine, that they didn't suffer at all. That's not true. I was there.

00:22:35.220 Um, no, it was the same thing where there was not quite as big of a dip, but there was a giant hole.

00:22:42.360 They did manage to over time, build it back. And, and Tucker was the only one who got it back to that

00:22:51.260 level. And this is the thanks he gets, but you know, now they're acting like, Oh, that was nothing.

00:22:58.160 There was sort of, there was, there was no, no damage done. We were fine. We stayed on.

00:23:03.040 No, actually what they're really worried about is that exact damage. And that is the motivation.

00:23:09.880 That is why they want to ruin Tucker. That is why they want to trash anyone who leaves.

00:23:15.840 And that is why I believe they would leak that clip if it was them. And it sure feels like it was

00:23:21.960 that clip about Tucker insulting his audience that right now it's operation separate Tucker from his

00:23:28.340 audience. Don't let him take that audience to another platform to anywhere else. Mission number

00:23:33.520 one, make sure you separate him from that audience because obviously they're gone from Fox for now.

00:23:40.340 And the only way to get them back is get them away from Tucker and draw them back with something else.

00:23:45.880 That's what they're doing. Right. Because they're worried not only that Tucker will go independent

00:23:49.760 and pull audience. I mean, if I were Tucker, I'd go independent. Maybe I'd release my show every,

00:23:53.680 every night at 8 PM. Maybe I'd, maybe I do it live, you know, on rumble or whatever at 8 PM every night.

00:23:59.140 I think he, he, he actually has a shot of beating the existing Fox news 8 PM slot, but what if he went

00:24:04.880 to Newsmax? You know, I haven't really seriously talked about them because let's face it. They don't

00:24:10.100 have anywhere near the market powers at Fox and they're not even in as many homes. I think they're

00:24:14.600 20 million homes short of what Fox is even in, but let, what if Tucker actually went to 8 PM on Newsmax?

00:24:21.160 Our friend, Eric Bowling is there now. We both love it. I'm just saying, what if he did move to

00:24:25.200 eight and let's say Eric moved to nine. Um, just this past week during the 8 PM hour, Eric Bowling

00:24:32.200 averaged 562,000 viewers last Tuesday, he averaged 122,000. So the Fox news audience is going click

00:24:41.420 and moving over to Newsmax right now. Imagine if it were Tucker in that spot.

00:24:48.660 Absolutely. I mean, obviously that's what they're worried about, but I think that the larger point

00:24:53.700 and what I would say to Tucker is a conversation that you and I have had many times, which is that

00:24:58.500 this is how our business works. This is always going to be probably how our business works.

00:25:04.620 When you leave, they try to destroy you. When you're riding high, they try to undermine you so

00:25:10.300 they don't have to pay you as much. I mean, I think it's the reason I've started my own production

00:25:14.560 company. I have a docu series that I've already sold. Um, we are getting ready to put into production.

00:25:20.760 You will be seeing it on, you know, one of the biggest streamers out there.

00:25:24.120 You will be seeing, I'll just say, let me just know you will be seeing it everywhere.

00:25:26.620 It is. I'm not saying this is Melissa's my friend. I have seen, I know what it's about.

00:25:30.400 We're not at liberty to reveal to break a lot of sizzle. Everybody everywhere is going to be

00:25:34.520 talking about it. Predict, we'll cut the clip. We'll play it again. Everybody everywhere. Sorry.

00:25:39.820 Keep going. Yeah. Uh, well, thank you. I appreciate that. But you know, the, I think what you and I

00:25:45.680 talked about when, when you left and then subsequently when I left is that I don't see our business

00:25:52.800 changing, you know, I don't see it's this complete ruthlessness. I mean, it's what makes the show

00:25:58.360 succession. So interesting. It's this complete ruthlessness that exists in, especially our

00:26:05.160 industry, probably others. I don't know. I'm not sure if it's really this ugly. Um, but there's so

00:26:10.360 much at stake in, in entertainment. And they also have the luxury of there's so many people that want

00:26:14.660 to fill our jobs. You're never going to talk people out of wanting to be anchors. You know,

00:26:20.000 it's, there's no danger that people will stop volunteering for that job, knowing that they're

00:26:24.500 going to have their throat slit on the other side. They don't care. They want to be on television.

00:26:27.820 So I think you and I have talked about the fact that you can just never go to work for anyone else

00:26:31.840 again. And I actually think that's what Tucker is realizing. And that's the way I interpreted what

00:26:36.320 he said last night, because, you know, you can love Tucker. You can hate Tucker. You can think

00:26:40.380 whatever his motivation is, but he thinks what he thinks. And he says what he says, and he won't be

00:26:45.980 controlled. And I know Megan from having that thought, because I want to, I want to get you

00:26:50.640 to comment on this, but hold that thought that you're thinking of right now. Let's show the

00:26:53.600 audience a little bit of Tucker's video from last night, which by the way, as of 10 PM last night,

00:26:58.540 total views were about 3.5 million. The post itself had been seen by more than 10 million users. I saw a

00:27:03.820 post this morning that said it's been seen by more than 26 million now, uh, views. So there's a lot

00:27:10.760 of interest in Tucker. Um, here's a bit of what he said. The other thing you notice when you take a

00:27:17.380 little time off is how unbelievably stupid most of the debates you see on television are. The

00:27:23.680 undeniably big topics, the ones that will define our future get virtually no discussion at all.

00:27:30.040 War, civil liberties, emerging science, demographic change, corporate power, natural resources.

00:27:37.140 Debates like that are not permitted in American media. Both political parties and their donors

00:27:43.580 have reached consensus on what benefits them. And they actively collude to shut down any conversation

00:27:50.080 about it. Suddenly the United States looks very much like a one party state. They're afraid they've

00:27:56.900 given up persuasion. They're resorting to force, but it won't work when honest people say what's true

00:28:03.780 calmly and without embarrassment. They become powerful. At the same time, the liars who've

00:28:10.020 been trying to silence them shrink and they become weaker. Where can you still find Americans saying

00:28:15.720 true things? There aren't many places left, but there are some and that's enough. As long as you can

00:28:21.740 hear the words, there is hope. So clever. Keep going. It is interesting because I actually,

00:28:28.860 I don't think it's about true and false. What I do think it's about is independent thinking,

00:28:34.220 that you're not going to be controlled. You're not going to say what you're told. You're not going

00:28:38.460 to cheat off the notes of, you know, one side or the other before you go on. As an early student of

00:28:44.800 Megyn Kelly, what I found very compelling, watching you was always a little bit dangerous because you

00:28:51.060 didn't know what you were going to get. You couldn't predict what you were going to say, what your

00:28:55.820 analysis was going to be. It was always original. It was always creative. It was always something you

00:29:00.560 hadn't heard or you hadn't thought about. With Tucker, it was always the same thing. And why I was a fan

00:29:07.420 of his long before he had his show. And even when I disagree with him, which is much of the time,

00:29:14.580 you still as an intellectual and as just a curious person and as someone who cares, you respect someone

00:29:22.780 who's really looking at the issues and thinking independently, who's willing to engage. That's

00:29:29.460 what makes him interesting. That's what made both of you hits at night, in my humble opinion. It was

00:29:35.360 dangerous. You didn't know what you were going to get, but that's what made you dangerous. And that's

00:29:40.440 what made you a threat to the powers that be when they couldn't count on. And, you know, this is one of

00:29:46.420 the themes that we're hearing a lot of in the aftermath of Tucker's firing. And I don't know,

00:29:50.780 you know, they're saying, oh, he couldn't be counted on to tow the party line in the next

00:29:55.940 election. And, you know, there's this thing being handed down at Fox as to who you're supposed to

00:30:01.120 support and Tucker won't get on board. I don't think it's necessarily that, but it's this idea

00:30:07.640 that he won't ever be controlled and he won't tow the party line. And that's what makes him a compelling

00:30:15.060 host, even if you do not disagree with him. I mean, that's what people say to me

00:30:20.140 when you're walking down the street or you talk to him about it. I don't always agree with him,

00:30:23.720 but he's going to say something I haven't heard. I mean, Greg Gutfeld is like that too. It's just,

00:30:29.120 he's just not as scary to them, but it's the same kind of thing where you work hard in your craft

00:30:34.760 to come up with some original take and some, or at least an original debate. Like he said,

00:30:41.080 you're not going to do the same old debate with the same old talking points in the same old point of

00:30:45.780 view. That's really boring and doesn't advance the conversation.

00:30:50.500 That's the thing that people would are saying to me all week and even before now saying,

00:30:54.320 I watch Tucker. They don't say I watch Fox news. They say, I watch Tucker. And so this is the,

00:31:00.180 this is why Fox is having a massive branding problem right now. When I left, Trump had just won.

00:31:06.440 They were walking into four years of ratings bonanzas, not just Fox, but even the losers over at CNN and

00:31:13.620 MSNBC. So things did go well. Same for O'Reilly. He got fired. I don't know, a year after, not even

00:31:20.380 I left when it, you know, got exposed that he had paid all that money. So he left. Yes. And the

00:31:26.120 ratings went up, but it was right in the middle of the Trump era. Yes. We're going into an election

00:31:30.000 year, but it's, it's not exactly the Trump era and Trump is a lot more controversial now. And Fox has

00:31:35.340 clearly made a decision to move away from Trump. The Murdochs have. So, you know, can they count on that

00:31:40.620 for the ratings bonanza? We'll see right now. They've really angered their audience. And as I was saying

00:31:46.060 earlier this week, they, they angered them without giving them any reason. They didn't give Tucker a

00:31:51.140 reason. They didn't give the audience a reason. Even in the case of Bill O'Reilly, if you loved a

00:31:54.600 Bill O'Reilly, you could say, I get it. You know, $69 million in sexual harassment settlement. I mean, I

00:31:59.820 can see how a company might say, Oh, okay. Um, this there's no reason. And he was number one. He was

00:32:06.060 dominant. So the audience is left angry and shaking its head. And therefore we get the leaks. We get the

00:32:11.920 leaks to the New York times. He was bad. He said things about executives, about women, about viewers

00:32:17.100 to use the word yummy in some weird context. Oh, what is he a pervert? What is it that bit by bit

00:32:23.000 you're dying a death by a thousand cuts because, and you know this, and I know this while it's happening

00:32:28.420 to you, the conversation you and I are having right now doesn't ever happen for anyone. It doesn't,

00:32:34.760 it didn't happen for you. It didn't happen for me. You get a few defenders in a few pockets,

00:32:40.020 but for the most part, people are afraid. They're afraid to have conversations like this

00:32:44.120 because Fox is a behemoth. NBC is a behemoth and they can find a way to hurt you just for

00:32:49.060 commenting on it. You know, they really had a smoking gun and it was really like, here is what

00:32:55.980 we got. That was so horrible. We couldn't stand by him. Why wouldn't they just stand up and say

00:33:01.740 it? I mean, why not? Why leak all this stuff? Trial balloon after trial balloon? Like what's

00:33:07.040 the thing that will separate him from his audience? If he really did something that was so own it,

00:33:14.160 why wouldn't you say, or, you know, it was a business decision. We decided it was more

00:33:18.900 controversy than it was worth. Or, you know, he, his sponsorships were gone on his show.

00:33:24.380 People didn't want to buy airtime on his show. I mean, I maintain that what they really care about

00:33:29.020 is the stock price because I think what the Murdochs would like to do is find a way to exit

00:33:34.860 that investment and how figure out how to get their money out. That's incredibly hard to do

00:33:40.880 because they would have to sell Fox to another entity. It's too toxic the way it is. Even without

00:33:48.540 Tucker, it is very hard to say another company to say, we're going to acquire Fox News channel.

00:33:56.500 That would be a giant controversy. So you can't do that. There's really no individual with deep

00:34:01.560 enough pockets that they could come out and buy Fox outright and make it their own family business

00:34:07.360 and their own family dynasty. It's not like buying a newspaper. It's a lot more expensive than that.

00:34:12.760 They could roll it out as a public company and cash out of it. Okay, maybe, but firing Tucker doesn't

00:34:19.920 help that. You know, I mean, that, that you saw their stock price tank. So I think that's,

00:34:24.160 I think those are some of the things that they're grappling with is sort of, we're in this terrible

00:34:28.300 position. Like how do we get our money out or how do we, is there a way to run it differently

00:34:33.600 where, you know, we could then in the future, sell it to someone else? I mean, I think that's the

00:34:39.940 conversation that's really going on. And as a business decision, they decided that Tucker at this

00:34:47.700 point was more expensive than he was worth in terms of the cost of the sponsors, the cost of

00:34:55.800 the brand. If you want to sell it down the road and you want to actually, that's fine. Okay. Then

00:35:00.360 say that. Yeah. So say it grown up, say, but that won't separate him from his audience. That's the

00:35:04.740 problem. But that allows him to take those millions of people with him across the street. And the reason

00:35:11.620 the stock price went down is because the ratings plummeted and everyone knew they were going to

00:35:16.860 on his departure. So how do you try and protect that fallout? How do you try and protect the loss

00:35:23.220 of viewers? You trash Tucker on the way out the door, separate him from his fans. And then maybe you

00:35:28.660 hold on to some of the value in Fox without him. I promise you that's what's going on.

00:35:32.780 Mm hmm. I would love to hear from Irina Briganti. She has an open invitation to appear on the show.

00:35:39.580 My God, that would be amazing. I would love that. I'll take a written statement. I'll take one of

00:35:44.000 her classic written statements, wishing me well. I'll look forward to that. Diane Brandy, the same.

00:35:48.720 She has denied these allegations, though. It's been widely reported that the channel paid you

00:35:53.840 many, many millions to go away with your totally baseless claims. We'll continue to follow it,

00:36:00.560 Melissa. It's great to see you. Thank you. All right. And we're going to be right back

00:36:04.760 with Ali Beth Stuckey. Cannot wait to talk to her about Leah Thomas and some of the other nonsense

00:36:09.820 that we haven't yet gotten to this week. There are updates on Leah Thomas and Dylan Mulvaney that we

00:36:20.220 have got to get to. The week has been full of media news and we haven't. But today we've got the time.

00:36:26.060 Ali Beth Stuckey is host of Blaze TV's Relatable, which she absolutely is. And she joins me now.

00:36:33.360 Ali Beth, great to see you. Thanks for having me, Megan.

00:36:36.360 All right. I'm dying to talk to you about Leah Thomas, who it's not enough for Leah Thomas to

00:36:40.540 win the medals that belong to biological women, actual women. Leah Thomas has now chosen to lecture

00:36:47.120 us on how annoying we feminists are, or just women are, for trying to shame Leah from enjoying Leah's

00:36:56.980 medals. Listen to this. They're using the guise of feminism to sort of push transphobic beliefs.

00:37:06.360 And I think a lot of people in that camp sort of carry an implicit bias against trans people,

00:37:12.180 but don't want to, I guess, fully manifest or speak that out. And so they try to just

00:37:17.020 play it off as this sort of half support. They think about how twisted feminism,

00:37:22.300 quote unquote, feminism has become. Their arguments, you know, in order to exclude anybody in the trans

00:37:26.800 category, you have to reduce women to reproductive capacity, which is, in my opinion, extremely anti-feminist.

00:37:32.920 I don't want to put those women down either. And I know you don't want to either, because I see pain.

00:37:36.580 I see pain, and the pain is coming from somewhere. It's not you, though. It's the patriarchy. And how

00:37:41.720 can we get people to see that? That's amazing. It's pain caused by patriarchy, the evil men,

00:37:50.340 two of whom are sitting there on that set. Yes, yes. Oh my goodness. There's so much in here.

00:37:57.700 First, that they pretend like they don't know what a definition of a woman is. I actually think that

00:38:02.980 host, if I read correctly, is actually also identifying as transgender. So is also, you

00:38:09.540 know, he is female to male, I think. So I think that's what I read. He's passing. Okay. Yes. And

00:38:16.680 so we've got a lot. We've got a lot of confusion going on here. But whatever you want to call it,

00:38:22.000 this is kind of condescending language towards women who very much understand the fight that we're in.

00:38:27.020 Now, I don't necessarily identify as a feminist, because there's a lot about feminist ideology that I

00:38:32.240 just can't agree with. I obviously have different stance on abortion and things like that. However,

00:38:38.000 I do understand what a woman is. And the feminists that I see in this fight, I'm not talking about

00:38:43.440 your like garden variety, mainstream feminists who just go along to get along and say a man can become

00:38:48.460 a woman. But there are real feminists who I don't agree with on a lot of things, but who are absolutely

00:38:53.080 in this fight, who have made their definition of a woman, the goal of their mission, absolutely clear.

00:39:00.100 These people are playing dumb. They know what the definition of a woman is. It's not reducing women

00:39:05.360 to a reproductive capacity, which, by the way, would still be more of a substantive definition

00:39:10.800 than saying that a woman is just growing out your hair and wearing a skirt, which is what they do.

00:39:16.240 But they're pretending like we don't know. They're pretending like you and I are just these dumb

00:39:22.140 victims. And that if we were finally liberated and finally enlightened and not so scared and oppressed

00:39:28.660 by the patriarchy, then we would finally understand that this person, Leah Thomas,

00:39:33.440 is a real woman. And we would allow him into our locker rooms, into our bathrooms with glee.

00:39:39.660 And obviously, you and I take issue with that for a variety of reasons.

00:39:44.420 You know, this word transphobic, I've been thinking about this word.

00:39:48.300 I said online recently, go ahead and call me transphobic. I don't care. I don't care what you

00:39:51.620 call me. I believe what I believe. Women are women and men are men and ne'er the twain shall meet.

00:39:56.000 It doesn't work. You can't change your sex. And gender is really not a thing.

00:40:00.340 Right.

00:40:01.540 But so you can call me. But like the word transphobic, it suggests fear of trans people.

00:40:06.800 Well, I'm not sure fear is exactly what it is, but anger, anger at the trans people who want to steal

00:40:12.700 women's medals, who want to invade our our pools, our locker room, our bathrooms, our sororities,

00:40:20.440 recognition that they're being grossly inappropriate. Yeah.

00:40:23.700 What's the word? If you want to use phobic as a short form for I don't want you in any of those

00:40:28.300 places. Fine. OK, then transphobic. What? I don't care like that. The trans exclusionary

00:40:34.240 radical feminist thing. I've got a bigger part with the issue with the radical feminist part of

00:40:39.140 that than I do with the trans exclusionary. I do want to be trans exclusionary when it comes to

00:40:42.880 my bathrooms and my locker rooms and my sports and all women's spaces that belong only to women

00:40:49.020 and not to men, even if they're confused, even if they're well-meaning, even if they're sick,

00:40:53.960 most of whom suffer from this autogynephilia thing, which is where they just get off dressing

00:40:58.540 like. No, as Kelly J. Keene says, we don't have to be part of their fetish. We don't have to do it.

00:41:03.820 Yeah. Yes. We don't have to consent to that. You're absolutely right.

00:41:07.120 And I agree with you about the whole accusation of transphobia. I think a lot of people,

00:41:11.840 a lot of well-meaning people who are on our side of this issue,

00:41:14.440 who see the difference between male and female and realize the importance of the distinctions

00:41:19.760 between male and female when it comes to spaces, when it comes to competitions, when it comes to

00:41:23.240 laws and rights, they waste time. I think if I'm to put it politely, they waste time defending

00:41:30.320 themselves, defending their virtue, defending their compassion, defending their empathy and saying,

00:41:35.320 no, I'm not transphobic, but, or I'm not a bigot, but, and look, I totally understand that

00:41:40.900 inclination because you're not, you are a compassionate and loving person, but you're

00:41:44.860 also a truthful person and understand that you being in that truthful camp, you saying anything

00:41:50.340 along the lines of, look, a man can't become a woman, or at least maybe just saying that you

00:41:55.780 don't believe a child should be put on puberty blockers, like the most innocuous and obvious

00:42:00.680 and common sense stance ever. You're still going to be called a transphobe. You're still going to

00:42:04.920 be called a bigot. It doesn't matter how much common sense you have. So I say, don't even

00:42:09.780 waste your time saying, no, no, no, I'm not a transphobe, but just, we don't have enough time

00:42:14.660 for that. Just state the truth clearly and know that they're going to call you what they're going

00:42:18.880 to call you no matter what. It's true. Like, this is why I distinguish Caitlyn Jenner from somebody

00:42:25.200 like a Dylan Mulvaney. You know, Caitlyn is out there actively saying men should not be in women's

00:42:31.680 sports. Trans women should not be in women's sports. It's unfair. It's wrong. Like Caitlyn's been

00:42:37.720 an advocate to you and to me on positions like this. Caitlyn's not trying to push men

00:42:43.260 into women's spaces. Now I realize you could go down that line on bathrooms and maybe find

00:42:46.880 some divergence there. Yeah. But a lot of these activists, like the ones we just watched,

00:42:52.320 want to just hurl invective and name calling to people like you and me who see the obvious

00:42:57.240 unfairness of what Leah Thomas did. Yeah. And I can appreciate the people who identify as the

00:43:03.220 opposite sex and that they still have some common sense about the need for sex separation

00:43:08.640 in these different spaces and competitions. Of course, just according to like my convictions

00:43:13.340 and the battle that I think we're facing, I can't find it within myself to kind of say,

00:43:19.560 okay, well, this man who wants to identify as a woman and wants everyone to affirm their identity

00:43:24.060 as a woman and call a man, she, her, that this person is acceptable. And this person is not,

00:43:29.260 it's not that I hate anyone. Of course, it's that I just believe that it is impossible to

00:43:34.500 actually transition. And because I believe that the truth is so important, I don't want to affirm

00:43:39.400 the lie by equivocating on my language at all, which can be very difficult with someone that you like

00:43:44.440 and that you admire and that you're friends with and even as your allies, uh, ally in a lot of ways.

00:43:49.600 But I just, if there's anything that I'm committed to, especially when it comes to gender,

00:43:53.740 because I think there's so much riding on this is that I refuse to lie. Even if that hurts

00:43:58.900 someone's feelings, even someone who is on my side in a lot of ways.

00:44:03.360 I know I I've been wrestling with the same thing because it's hard. I I've never been somebody who

00:44:08.440 would refuse to go along with the pronouns. And I'm really, I'm, I've had it like I'm done with

00:44:12.600 the pronouns too. I agree with Kelly J Keene that it's a gateway drug. Once you, once you say she,

00:44:18.440 how do you keep her out of women's sports? Right. Keep her out of the women's locker room.

00:44:22.780 Like the, your whole, the basis of your whole argument is she is not a, she, she is a, he,

00:44:27.880 and that difference matters. You know, you saw the story. Um, was it, you guys refresh my memory.

00:44:34.340 Was it Wisconsin where the, um, the boy went into the girl's locker room? The, the four girls were

00:44:40.420 showering post swimming Wyoming. Thank you. Well, everything happens in Wyoming. That's where the

00:44:44.760 sorority thing was too. It's Kappa Kappa gamma. Yeah. All right. She's wrong. I think it was a

00:44:48.800 different state. I was going to say, what the hell is happening in Wyoming? Anyway, um, the four

00:44:53.780 girls were showering post their swim, you know, class in their high school. They were freshmen

00:44:59.340 and an 18 year old boy came in there, took off his clothes and showered with his penis hanging out.

00:45:07.000 And this is, it was another state W state. It was Wisconsin. And, uh, he, so he's showering

00:45:13.040 totally exposed in front of these. He's an adult tech under the law. They're minors. They're 14 year

00:45:18.120 olds and says to them, Oh, by the way, I'm trans. Oh yeah. Sure. I feel a lot better. Welcome to the

00:45:23.160 party. Yeah. It's like these men who are suddenly they figured out after they have been convicted of

00:45:29.540 say serial rape, or even a murder of woman they're in prison. And all of a sudden they realize that

00:45:34.580 it's really just because they've been suppressing their real identity as a woman for all these years

00:45:38.500 and they get to transfer to women's prisons. And even if there is no physical abuse or harassment,

00:45:44.300 even though very often in these cases, there is, these women are still being re-traumatized.

00:45:49.900 They're still being victimized. Their rights, their privacy, their dignity is being violated.

00:45:55.100 That is certainly true, not just in prisons, but like you said, when it comes to locker rooms and

00:45:59.320 when it comes to bathrooms and all of a sudden someone stated identity, someone's feeling trumps

00:46:04.960 the comfort and the safety and the protection of girls of minor girls. I mean, women who are in

00:46:10.280 domestic abuse shelters and prisons are among the most vulnerable population out there. They

00:46:14.820 don't have political power. They don't have anyone advocating for them. They certainly don't have any

00:46:19.000 capital or money. And yet because of an ideology and because of a delusion, they are being placed

00:46:25.660 in these most vulnerable situations in which they become very often prey. And we're not supposed to

00:46:33.360 say anything about it. Saying something about it is scandalous, is controversial. We're actually

00:46:37.940 supposed to affirm that young boy's feelings who obviously is just fetishizing, you know,

00:46:42.980 girls changing or attracted to the girls changing in front of him. The same thing with Leah Thomas,

00:46:46.660 by the way, we're all just supposed to celebrate. And we're supposed to ignore Leah Thomas's social

00:46:52.000 media and what Leah Thomas has been liking on social media, what turns Leah Thomas on, which very

00:46:57.160 clearly is what turns on a biological man dressing like a woman getting off on it. There are men who say

00:47:04.580 that they're trans women who that's their whole thing. They get off undressing like a woman. They

00:47:10.380 take it to the point where they actually have their penis chopped off and create a vagina, fake vagina

00:47:15.340 on themselves so they can get off all the time. It's not all trans people, but there is a large

00:47:20.900 selection of people who are like this. And why is it up to us to have to figure out who's that way

00:47:27.200 and who actually has gender dysphoria from birth? You know, from like, that shouldn't be on us.

00:47:31.900 All right, I got to go because I got to squeeze in a quick, quick break. More with Allie Beth on the

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00:48:00.420 So Allie Beth, the fallout for Bud Light continues in the wake of its disastrous

00:48:04.580 attempted partnership with Dylan Mulvaney. The latest stats are that they are down now 17% in sales.

00:48:13.700 Their sales fell 17% in the weekend at April 15th compared to the same week in 2022, 17.

00:48:19.120 And they are down 21% in pours. Uh, the so-called beer board, which is a thing actually tracks some

00:48:27.640 3000 locations. And these locations tracked, um, that the three 6% less Bud Light being poured than

00:48:36.320 rivals like Miller Lite and Coors. Well, you might think, Oh, it's only 6%. No, because prior to this

00:48:41.560 whole dustup, Bud Light has had been getting poured 15% more than its rival light beers.

00:48:48.000 So it fell, um, 21%. It was down 21% in its pours. It's down 17% in just sales that, you know,

00:48:56.900 like you're going to get a Bud Light in the supermarket. Uh, and the sales of rival beers,

00:49:02.480 Coors Light and Miller Lite each grew nearly 18% compared to the same week a year earlier.

00:49:07.800 This is post the leave of absence of Alicia Scheinerfeld, the VP of marketing who made this

00:49:16.120 decision and her boss was also placed on a leave of absence showing us what.

00:49:21.780 Oh man. You know, I, I would love to think that this is going to be a long-term consequence that

00:49:28.140 they're really going to reap the whirlwind here. And I'm glad to see, I do think that the boycott

00:49:33.160 is important. I think that it's made a good impact. I think that it's at least communicated

00:49:38.280 some type of message to corporate America. Now, whether it is going to stick, I would say it's

00:49:43.620 very skeptical. This leave of absence, as I've seen other people say was probably just a shuffling

00:49:49.260 around. She's either going to stay at Bud Light. She's going to go to another company. She's going to

00:49:53.340 have equal impact and influence there. I mean, I think it's good that Bud Light responded in some

00:49:58.360 way. They realized, okay, we kind of missed the mark, but ultimately these companies, Bud Light,

00:50:03.660 just like these other big corporations, they care about their ESG score. They care about the score

00:50:09.320 that is coming to them from the human rights campaign, which is a total gimmick, which basically

00:50:14.240 says you have to, you know, reach all of these arbitrary standards that we call equality standards

00:50:18.800 and we'll give you a hundred percent. Bud Light really cares about that. That's why they push pride.

00:50:24.440 That's why they picked Dylan Mulvaney. And ultimately what we're seeing is that a lot of

00:50:28.400 these companies care more about that than their customers. It's not that they misread their base.

00:50:34.240 It's not that they didn't know that they are the beer of frat parties and, you know, Georgia and

00:50:38.960 Alabama. They knew that this marketing person said, I know that I don't like that. These companies

00:50:45.440 don't like when their buyers, when their market is made up of conservative Americans. It's not that

00:50:53.120 they don't know that. It's that they don't like them. It's that they want to change their minds.

00:50:57.540 And I guess they thought, I mean, this is the craziest part of all of it, that I guess they

00:51:01.620 thought that choosing Dylan Mulvaney would either carve out a new part of the marketplace of progressive

00:51:07.400 Gen Zers or that they would eventually change the minds of their conservative buyers. Obviously it

00:51:13.960 didn't work. So I, you know, have a positive reaction because of that. Ultimately, they're going to go

00:51:19.200 back to it though. Eventually they're going to pick the next trans influencer to drink their beer.

00:51:24.620 And I don't think they'll ultimately have learned their lesson. I don't know. I think this one worked

00:51:30.680 and I think it's going to stay low because they changed the perception of their brand. It's not

00:51:37.580 cool to drink Bud Light. I wouldn't order a Bud Light at a Giants game. Most of the men I know would

00:51:43.700 not order a Bud Light at a Giants game. And it's not because they hate trans people. It's because

00:51:49.220 it's an FU to Bud Light and their belief that their audience is disgusting and deplorable and too

00:51:54.500 fratty. Right. And it's also the fact that they picked this particular trans person who I don't

00:51:59.980 really even know whether Dylan Mulvaney is genuinely a trans woman at all. I really have my doubts. I think

00:52:05.340 this person is glomming on to the trans movement for attention, which I don't think is the case in

00:52:11.380 for Caitlyn Jenner. I think Bruce Jenner was genuinely gender dysphoric and transitioned to

00:52:17.220 Caitlyn because it was something that Bruce had been separating or suffering from for years. That's

00:52:22.880 not the case from what I can see with Dylan Mulvaney. My team went back and pulled some videos of Dylan

00:52:28.860 trying desperately, Ali Beth, to get attention as a man. Okay. For years now, trying desperately to get

00:52:35.400 attention as a man. I'm going to start in reverse order. Here's Dylan performing on stage five years

00:52:41.200 ago. He got called up on stage. I don't know what the performance was in. Look at this. It's just

00:52:48.160 video. If you are listening to this, you really must go check out the YouTube. Dylan is wearing a tiny

00:52:54.000 little like banana hammock situation is totally naked. Other than that has very blonde hair and

00:53:00.540 is very much a man parading his male body up there. Um, you can see, I mean, now he's on a campaign to

00:53:07.760 embrace the bulge. He's wearing those same bottoms, but a bikini top with fake boobs and saying we as

00:53:14.260 women need to get comfortable with people like him wearing fake boobs and the bulge down below. Cause

00:53:19.840 that's normal. That's one. Then here's Dylan a few years ago announcing not that Dylan was a woman,

00:53:26.280 but that Dylan was now non-binary. Watch this. I'm Dylan. Today is my birthday and I'm throwing a

00:53:34.080 gender reveal party and no, I'm not pregnant. It's for myself. I'm non-binary. I'm dropping the he

00:53:41.080 and my new pronouns. Are they, them, theirs. That lasted for about two minutes before Dylan said,

00:53:48.860 oh no, I'm a she. By the way, credit to Ollie London, who's a great follow on Twitter for all of

00:53:53.140 this. Ollie's been such a great activist on all of this and keeps us all informed on the craziness

00:53:56.840 that's out there. And, um, now Dylan is officially a she. And if you don't say she, you're a bigot,

00:54:02.920 you're a trans folk. I mean, we've all seen the price is right video. Dylan was dying for attention.

00:54:08.460 Dylan wanted us to pay attention to Dylan. And when Dylan now finally found she as Dylan's thing,

00:54:15.280 Dylan's done nothing but mock women portray us in the most absurd caricatures. It is truly

00:54:21.820 woman face. I wouldn't say that about every trans person, but what Dylan does is a mockery of us.

00:54:28.940 Yeah. You know, going back to something you said earlier that there really is a dark underbelly to

00:54:33.680 this. It's, and we're not talking about the men who maybe truly have suffered from gender dysphoria,

00:54:37.900 which by the way, always starts in toddlerhood. There is a medical definition of gender dysphoria,

00:54:43.060 but this contagion, this phenomenon of men, of grown men, not just identifying as and dressing as

00:54:49.520 women, but really as young girls. It's very strange. You see a flamboyant gay man with gay

00:54:55.120 man with a five o'clock shadow dressing up, like sometimes like a prepubescent girl, like he has

00:55:01.620 dressed up as Eloise. So a six year old girl, sometimes he looks like a 12 year old girl.

00:55:06.160 Sometimes he looks like a teenager with the big bows. Obviously he thinks being a woman or being a girl,

00:55:12.040 the 365 days of girlhood as a 26 year old man means basically being a ditz, being a floocy, being dumb,

00:55:20.560 wearing tight little shorts where he says he can show off his bulge. He has a very dark and perverse,

00:55:27.180 I think, understanding of what it means to be a woman or a girl. My theory is that very dark forms

00:55:33.820 of pornography are actually leading to this phenomenon in a lot of men. Yes, I do think it's attention

00:55:39.520 seeking, but I do think there is a dark sexualization of women and femaleness and femininity

00:55:46.000 that comes, that is, that, that comes from this or rather the other way around that this kind of

00:55:52.240 gender confusion is coming from that kind of fetitization. I don't know that about Dylan

00:55:56.800 Mulvaney, but just looking at the things that you have just pointed out that he's always sought

00:56:01.220 attention, that he's just been a flamboyant gay man, a very, very talented, by the way,

00:56:06.060 Broadway singer, a very handsome man that all of a sudden he has now decided that he's not just a

00:56:12.460 woman, but a little girl. Look, there's something very, very disturbing about that. And what's more

00:56:18.800 disturbing is that he is being platformed for it, that he's being celebrated for as a grown man,

00:56:25.920 identifying as sometimes a six year old girl. I mean, that is sick. That's, that's really sick.

00:56:32.100 Yeah. Let's not forget how Dylan launched Dylan's whole campaign as a, as somebody of the opposite

00:56:37.340 sex 365 days of girlhood girlhood was actually on a discussion for Ulta beauty, which is a huge

00:56:46.540 cosmetics chain talking with a guy who has a beard and a mustache, but is going as a woman with a long

00:56:56.180 haired wig. I don't even know what's happening with that person about their girlhoods and periods. I mean,

00:57:03.280 so that's how Dylan launched Dylan's campaign into our lane. It's offensive and it is creepy. And that leads

00:57:09.820 me to this threatening trans tick tocker who we talked about just a bit last week. This person's name is

00:57:18.400 Tara Jay. And this person decided it would be a great idea to threaten anybody who didn't let Tara

00:57:26.480 Jay into a woman's room. Tara Jay is not only very clearly a man, but probably one of the least

00:57:33.760 attractive trans people you've ever laid eyes on in your life. And Tara Jay is threatening to shoot

00:57:38.380 you and me and anybody else who tries to say, Tara Jay, get the fuck out of our bathroom. Stay away from

00:57:44.240 my daughter. You would say it nicer because you are a nicer person. Literally. I don't know that I

00:57:50.900 would, Megan. I don't know when it comes to protecting your kids. If this man walked into

00:57:54.620 the bathroom with my girls, I think I would say that too. Okay. I feel better. I feel okay. I feel

00:57:59.680 absolutely absolution there. So Tara Jay, as it turns out, because this is to the point that you

00:58:04.420 were raising is totally doubling, doubling down on all of that. Do we have that? We have that here's

00:58:08.140 Tara Jay because people were giving some pushback for you're really nasty and you're really

00:58:13.220 threatening. And now here's Tara Jay saying, you don't like it too bad. I meant every word. It's

00:58:19.060 SOT 21. So this is going to be the only video that I'm going to make about this viral video.

00:58:25.440 Number one, I was threatening people who were threatening me. Look at the date on that video.

00:58:33.300 Number two, I am fully justifiable for doing so. Number three, the call to arms. I firmly stand

00:58:40.660 fucking by it. Okay. Let me give you a little background on Tara Jay, um, who we're supposed

00:58:46.680 to let into our bathrooms or we're going to get shot. Tara Jay, according to Redux magazine was

00:58:52.100 previously known as Thomas J. Thomas J. White appears to have begun transitioning in 2017 on one

00:58:58.040 of his Twitter accounts. White's white describes himself as a quote diaper trans mommy. And as a

00:59:06.060 quote, trans ferndum, trans ferndum, I don't know. That's a new one for me. White posts,

00:59:12.880 hardcore pornography on the account, including photos of himself wearing diapers and children's

00:59:20.340 clothes. Um, again, repeatedly threatening violence, not just in the original post, but many posts

00:59:26.480 against those uncomfortable with him using the women's restroom saying, I dare you to try to stop

00:59:33.200 me or anyone else. It will be the last mistake you ever make. One mistake is all it will take.

00:59:40.340 So to your point, I were neither of us is saying it's true of every single trans person,

00:59:45.140 but there is a disturbing percentage of trans people like Tara Thomas J who want to take this to next.

00:59:54.680 You'll look at me in my hardcore diaper pornography and let it into your bathroom or I'll shoot you.

01:00:00.280 Like it really is a slippery slope. Yes, exactly. It's, it's not a universal statement to say that

01:00:07.440 there is significant crossover here. It was actually Genevieve Glock, the person who started Redox

01:00:11.620 a feminist magazine who reports on a lot of this stuff, who opened my eyes to the connection between

01:00:17.060 certain forms of dark pornography, which I obviously won't detail here. And this phenomenon of

01:00:22.800 grown men like this becoming quote unquote women. And there's almost always an infantilization

01:00:29.400 fetish that accompanies that. And yet you'll notice that the masculine aggression in its worst form

01:00:36.140 doesn't go away. So this person simultaneously, simultaneously wants us to believe that he's

01:00:41.300 a dainty, beautiful princess that should be able to share a bathroom with our toddler daughters.

01:00:47.100 And also is telling you that if you make him uncomfortable or say, you know what, I think I'm

01:00:51.960 going to protect my daughters from you, you diaper fetishist, that he is actually going to kill us,

01:00:58.320 that he's actually going to attack us, that he's going to shoot us. So you see that they retain the most

01:01:03.380 aggressive and base and toxic forms of masculinity. I say that as someone who thinks, you know,

01:01:09.620 masculinity is beautiful and great while also trying to retain the sexual forms of being a woman,

01:01:16.160 the access that comes with being a female. How do people not see that that combination is so

01:01:21.720 dangerous for women and girls? It's wild. Oh, I love what you just said. That's brilliant. Yes. Yes.

01:01:28.160 To everything you just said in the way you said it, this is. So we have the gift of fear, as Gavin

01:01:33.020 DeBecker wrote in his must read book. It's the sixth sense. It's the thing that makes you say,

01:01:37.880 I'm not getting in the elevator with that guy. I don't have a good feeling. Exactly. Or I'm walking

01:01:42.860 out of this room because there's something about him. And that is a gift that we've gotten from

01:01:48.020 God, from evolution, from life on this earth in unsafe spaces or spaces we thought were safe that

01:01:54.080 turned out not to be. We come into the world with it to some extent, and then we develop it over a

01:01:58.720 lifetime of high school experiences and college experiences and so on. And what people like Tara Jay

01:02:05.720 are saying is, you will check it. You will get rid of it. No matter how much I threaten you,

01:02:11.700 no matter what a freak I am, I'm sorry, but diaper porn is not coming into my daughter's bathroom.

01:02:16.940 You will check it or you're a transphobe who may be in danger, who I actually might shoot. And this

01:02:23.120 kind of stuff is left up. It's all over Tara Jay's TikTok. Look at this montage that we have here.

01:02:30.440 If I see a viable threat coming at me, where I deem it a viable threat against my body or my life,

01:02:44.860 I am perfectly legal to take that threat out. Keep that in mind. And I don't care how big you are.

01:02:56.740 The mistake you make is your last one. I've been a supporter of the Second Amendment my entire life.

01:03:05.500 I know how to shoot. It wasn't a joke. I'm dead serious.

01:03:10.780 I will defend myself. And I will defend my girlfriends. I'm standing up for those who can't

01:03:17.340 stand up for themselves. I'm protecting those who are not strong enough to fight for themselves.

01:03:23.600 Because I'm a big bitch. And I am one bitch who does not fear jail, prison, or death.

01:03:32.480 I will martyr for my trans fam. You try to stop me from going into a woman's bathroom. You try and

01:03:38.420 stop the wrong trans woman. One mistake is all it'll take. My God. This is all over TikTok. Not

01:03:47.080 banned, by the way. Not banned. If you want to say something about, you know, Taiwan, you want to say

01:03:52.600 something about Hong Kong, you'll get banned. That you can say all day long. Well, you know what?

01:03:57.540 Maybe it's actually a good thing that it's not banned because I do want people to see that there

01:04:01.280 is a very dark side of this, that these people exist and they're not all that rare. Again,

01:04:07.660 I'm not speaking in universal terms about everyone who identifies as the opposite sex, but there is a

01:04:13.680 very large contingent of this population that is very aggressive. I think very in the realist sense,

01:04:19.940 and I don't mean this in like the left wing over you sense, but very misogynist, truly hates women,

01:04:25.260 sees them as prey, sees them as a costume, sees them as a caricature, and really wants to harm

01:04:31.400 people. I mean, just like people in the social justice movement, I think are looking for some

01:04:35.860 kind of pseudo religion or mission or identity to latch onto something higher, something bigger.

01:04:41.720 I think a lot of people in this ideology too, the problem is, is that it's always accompanied

01:04:46.380 by a lot of aggression and mental illness. Again, that's a very toxic combination. And what you

01:04:52.040 talked about, about the gift of fear is so true. And think about, you know, you and I,

01:04:56.580 we don't care about being called a transphobe. We'll tell a man, get out of my bathroom. But think

01:05:01.440 about the young girl, the teenager who was in school, who was being told by all of her friends,

01:05:06.160 the worst thing you can be as a transphobe, the worst thing you can be as a bigot.

01:05:10.180 She walks into the bathroom. She has a, you know, a junior year boy who identifies as a girl walking

01:05:16.380 into the bathroom. She has been told and conditioned, do not be scared. If you're scared,

01:05:21.120 you're a bigot. Do not say anything. If you say anything, you're going to be excluded. You're going

01:05:25.720 to be bullied. You're going to be ostracized. Any instinctive fear or concern that you have right

01:05:32.020 now is actually a sign of your bigotry. How dangerous is that, that we are putting our girls

01:05:38.120 in that situation, that we are attaching virtue to accepting men in girls' bathrooms. I don't even

01:05:44.240 want to see what it's going to look like when those chickens fully come home to roost.

01:05:48.140 Oh my God. Neither do I. Neither do I. This is why we have no choice. I don't care who I offend.

01:05:53.720 I know you don't either. It's time. I don't, I don't care. I don't care if you're, if you're,

01:05:57.680 if you're not used to talking about this stuff, if you'd rather just not fight, if you'd rather just

01:06:01.000 like go along to get along, the time for that is past. It's, it's beyond past. Stand up, speak out,

01:06:08.120 go online, find the groups, make a donation, start talking about the truth in your school,

01:06:14.900 in your community. More people need to say it. So other people feel empowered to say it and feel

01:06:21.340 it and fight for it too. You know, otherwise it's lost before we even get started to people like this,

01:06:26.760 like Tara Jay in his diaper who wants to shoot people. I mean, so, okay, that's where we are.

01:06:32.160 This all leads me to what's happening in Montana. All right. There is a trans lawmaker at the state

01:06:38.700 level named Zoe Zephyr, and they are trying to make her into one of the new Tennessee three. All

01:06:45.280 right. It's a similar kind of dustup, but it's a trans person. So Zoe Zephyr is a freshman lawmaker

01:06:51.580 age 34 in Montana. Their 100th district, which is Missoula is one of the bluest districts in the

01:06:58.480 state. And Zoe Zephyr is the first openly transgender person to be elected to the Montana

01:07:03.620 state legislature. Zoe got up there and was very upset about this bill that passed the Senate last

01:07:10.340 month, moved on to the house that seeks to ban the use of puberty blockers, cross sex hormones,

01:07:15.100 and surgery to treat minors, minors. Okay. This is again, this should be a non-issue. Like we are

01:07:21.420 the only insane country who hasn't recognized this is totally inappropriate. Um, but we continue to do

01:07:27.820 it. So Montanans are trying to say no, not here. And Zoe's mad. Zoe wants minors to be able to have

01:07:33.420 a sex change operation. Uh, the Montana governor is against Zoe's position and they're debating it in

01:07:40.000 the, in the Montana state house. Zoe gets up there and says the following in support of Zoe's

01:07:46.580 opposition to this ban on these cross sex surgeries for minors. If you vote yes on this bill

01:07:53.840 and yes on these amendments, I hope the next time there's an invocation, when you bow your heads in

01:07:59.700 prayer, you see the blood on your hands, the blood on your hands, right? This is what they do. You're

01:08:06.340 going to die. You're going to kill people. You will kill people. Your kid will commit suicide.

01:08:10.260 It's a lie. Um, and so they told her she couldn't talk, that she was out of line and they wanted an

01:08:17.020 apology because there are rules of protocol when it comes to debate, um, of staying civil. And they

01:08:22.820 felt that crossed the line. Zoe wouldn't apologize. And then the speaker of the house refused to let Zoe

01:08:28.280 speak on any bills, um, from that point forward. So Zoe then joins this rally outside the Capitol,

01:08:35.720 about a hundred people. They came inside, uh, the, the, the house, right. They came inside the house,

01:08:42.340 um, body and they lawmakers accused Zoe of having signaled them to let loose inside of the house

01:08:50.680 and, you know, make their upset known. And that was another clear violation of protocol. They packed

01:08:57.620 into the gallery at the state house. They brought house proceedings to a halt. They chanted, let her

01:09:02.500 speak. She did speak. She was rude, offensive, and uncivil and accused them of wanting to murder

01:09:08.080 children because they won't allow them to have their penises chopped off or their breasts chopped

01:09:11.460 off. That's what happened. Um, now she's trying to say she's some sort of a martyr. Okay. Um, yeah.

01:09:18.880 Should we have the protest video? Let's take a look at it.

01:09:21.160 Let her speak!

01:09:51.160 she's like one of the protesters she's holding the mic up she's all in it's just like those

01:09:56.760 tennessee three she doesn't realize she's a lawmaker you're not a protester madam act like

01:10:00.160 a grown-up yeah so she goes back onto the house floor and she did get the chance to speak again

01:10:05.840 did she dial it back did she apologize for doing any of this no here's what she said

01:10:10.340 i have had friends who have taken their lives because of these bills including one family

01:10:16.300 whose trans teenager attempted to take her life while watching a hearing on one of the anti-trans

01:10:22.860 bills so when i rose up and said there is blood on your hands i was not being hyperbolic and when

01:10:31.020 the speaker asks me to apologize what he is on behalf of decorum what he is really asking me to do

01:10:37.580 is be silent when my community is facing bills that get us killed he's asking me to be complicit

01:10:46.060 in this legislature's eradication of our community now they have officially censored this person

01:10:55.020 and she will she's not been kicked out of the state legislature but she is officially no longer allowed

01:11:00.020 to speak um inside the house chamber and and attend uh the house floor proceedings for the rest of the

01:11:06.080 2023 session she can still vote remotely here's the piece i'm getting to alabeth the um they've taken

01:11:15.260 a deep dive on her um let me find out who it is claremont took a deep dive into zoe zephyr and some of

01:11:23.220 these same things that you and i are discussing have come up um yeah it appears zoe uh okay did not

01:11:33.760 zoe did not exist until 2019 zoe was zachary until 2019 when after several months of taking female hormones

01:11:40.640 zoe declared that she is now zoe had surgical vaginoplasty in 2022 uh parents disowned zoe so

01:11:49.640 obviously some difficulties in zoe's past when zoe decided to quote transition which by the way

01:11:55.400 is an impossibility you cannot transition from one sex to another um and then okay is quote

01:12:03.380 quoting from the piece disturbingly he is extremely interested in transhumanism the melding of man and

01:12:10.360 machine through technological enhancement of the human body the subject of an abandoned master's

01:12:16.440 thesis at the university of montana perhaps the publication speculates this explains his desire

01:12:21.480 to modify his body uh goes on to say that zoe is also a fan of manga and anime zoe has posted

01:12:30.840 disturbing sexualized anime images on his twitter he shows all the classic signs of an autogynephylic

01:12:38.820 person again this is a man who is um they say often spurred by pornography or fetish who becomes

01:12:45.020 sexually aroused by the idea of themselves as a woman this person also um has a partner they're dating

01:12:53.940 somebody named anthony aaron reed i can't and aaron reed that this partner of this zoe

01:13:01.500 has a felony drug conviction according to claremont and other disturbing behavior this is our new

01:13:08.060 hero this is the new person being lionized as a champion of trans rights this is what it's come to

01:13:16.760 yeah you know oh my gosh so much of what you just said about this person's background is not

01:13:21.820 surprising at all i always get in trouble when i say this but there is a distinct connection between

01:13:27.480 certain forms of anime and the gender confusion that we see that's not to say everyone who watches

01:13:33.880 anime is in this camp that's not to say we saw all forms of anime is bad exactly exactly certain forms

01:13:39.600 of anime which actually are they're centered on the sexualization of women made to look like

01:13:46.960 young girls even sometimes babies and so there does seem to be a distinct connection whether it's

01:13:51.980 autogynophilia whether it is just an addiction to weird pornography whether it is truly some kind of

01:13:57.980 mental illness probably a combination of all of these things i mean what this person said what he said is

01:14:03.740 actually untrue that simply protecting children from chemical castration protecting minors from double

01:14:10.840 mastectomies from puberty blockers from cross-sex hormones that will render them permanently

01:14:15.780 sterile and if you are a woman unable to breastfeed your child should you change your mind should you

01:14:22.000 want to have a child one day this is not what is causing the suicide epidemic among people who

01:14:27.120 identify as the opposite sex that percentage is already high because of what you said you can't

01:14:32.360 change your sex and once people meet that wall once you realize that your reality can't really fully be

01:14:38.220 changed once you come to terms with all of the other mental health issues that they very often do

01:14:43.820 there is a sense of despair that a lot of these people feel and that's not a good thing obviously

01:14:48.980 i think that's a tragedy but for him to pin this on legislation common sense legislation that we should

01:14:54.400 not even have that children shouldn't be able to undergo chemical castration it is the same kind of

01:15:00.780 just manipulation and extortion that we see as you mentioned people saying if you don't let jack become

01:15:05.960 sally at eight years old then he's going to commit suicide one day you're going to kill people

01:15:11.100 there's blood on your hands when you look down to pray all of this ridiculous melodramatic poetic

01:15:16.400 stuff it's not even founded in reality in fact there is nothing that you could tell me that would

01:15:23.020 persuade me that it is a moral position to try to change the gender of a person especially a young

01:15:29.260 person and i will just ask as food for thought what category of person wants a child to be trapped in

01:15:37.860 perpetual adolescence because that's what puberty blocking does it stops your body from going through

01:15:43.720 puberty so that you look like a child for longer what kind of person would advocate for children to

01:15:50.000 look like children for years into their adulthood that's just something to consider that's incredibly

01:15:57.300 creepy i mean this is the person just so people know this is the person who is trying to say that

01:16:01.980 children in montana should be able to have their penises chopped off should be able to have their

01:16:06.160 breasts chopped off before they've ever gotten to use them before they've ever understood the joy

01:16:11.340 that can come from breastfeeding things like that this is the person the person who's got the

01:16:15.480 disturbing sexualized anime all over the twitter feed and this kind of a family history and was living

01:16:21.420 as a man up until what age 30 and then suddenly got his penis chopped off and now we're supposed to let

01:16:26.400 him lecture us like leah on what feminism and human rights no sir no that's not happening get out of the

01:16:34.500 legislature i'm sad that they elected this person to begin with because this does not seem like a well

01:16:38.800 human and this person was a lecturer about kids who are going to kill themselves or die if we don't

01:16:44.600 let them chop off body parts what about that kid ali beth i know you saw this story in the dutch study

01:16:50.040 of trans children that was just revealed publicly this week it happened in 2016 um in a medical article

01:16:57.820 a transgender male to female 18 year old who as you point out started puberty blockers very young

01:17:05.620 allegedly gender dysphoric was otherwise perfectly healthy they said and due to starting puberty blockers

01:17:13.040 so young didn't even develop enough penile tissue this person wound up at age 18 or yeah 18 with a child

01:17:21.240 size penis to create a vagina and yet the doctors proceeded with the operation anyway that's what

01:17:28.960 the puberty blockers that this person wants available to young people do so the kid doesn't

01:17:33.980 have a much of a penis at all he's got a little boy penis and he's trying to make a vagina out of it

01:17:39.480 and some irresponsible surgeons over there decided to try they decided to try to create one with part of

01:17:46.060 the patient's bowel major complications developed within 24 hours and the 18 year old developed

01:17:52.700 septic shock multiple organ failure and died this these are the stories zoe will never tell you ali beth

01:18:02.280 they will just call you a homophobe a transphobe that is and move on yeah and i mean i've interviewed

01:18:09.540 that's someone who was trying to transition all of these detransitioners i know that you've platformed

01:18:14.180 their stories as well of their medical physical complications when they try to detransition that

01:18:19.920 they were not even informed about they were not even told the pain the complications that could come

01:18:25.600 from cutting your breasts off or trying to form some kind of fake penis or fake genitalia or the

01:18:31.920 different psychological and physical issues that come from taking hormones that do not belong in your

01:18:37.480 body biologically and they've suffered from that many of them take their lives because of that because

01:18:43.040 they feel they they feel not even human because their identity their sense of belonging their sense

01:18:50.020 of self-understanding has been completely ripped from them by adults who knew better but cared more

01:18:55.980 either about protecting themselves from the activists on the left who are yeah they're kind of scary

01:19:00.840 or just lining their pockets remember the pharmaceutical companies are making a lot of money from these

01:19:07.740 puberty blockers which then creates lifelong patients in which these people if they ever want to

01:19:13.400 reproduce have to then go back and depend on the medical system again to even be able to do that

01:19:19.400 because nothing is natural in their lives everything is medical so these young children that grow into

01:19:25.240 adults are big money makers for the pharmaceutical companies companies backed by the federal government

01:19:31.680 backed by these activists and uh yeah it's it's a giant it's a giant that we are up against here

01:19:37.820 backed by joe biden joe biden is 100 on board with all of this please go to affirmation generation

01:19:46.020 generation movie.com affirmation generation movie.com by joey bright joey was on the show along with

01:19:52.220 some with a detransitioner um and a therapist who's been dealing with this industry and their affirmation

01:19:57.600 you know mandate it we interviewed them a couple fridays ago they were great but the movie's great

01:20:02.460 cost you four bucks you go through venmo take the two minutes to enter your information i did it too

01:20:07.300 put my credit card info got my four paid my four dollars spent the next two hours just riveted it

01:20:13.180 it stayed with me it is well worth your time it was done so wisely smartly and in a way that's

01:20:19.540 extremely compelling ali beth stuckey always a pleasure my friend thank you for being here thank you

01:20:23.620 up next don leman is speaking out we'll show you what he's saying uh with a woman who broke that

01:20:31.120 variety story about his past misogyny next

01:20:33.960 now for another media shake-up uh we got a couple to update you on don lemon speaking out

01:20:42.040 on his termination and so is al sharpton very upset that lemon is out this as you may have missed

01:20:49.680 the fact that nbc universal chief executive like the guy at the very very top of the whole empire

01:20:55.020 over there uh was just fired his name is jeff shell this past weekend after an investigation found this

01:21:00.840 guy had an inappropriate workplace relationship nothing's happened to the woman accusing him of

01:21:06.100 having an affair with her hmm it's all very interesting joining us now to discuss it all

01:21:10.880 tatiana siegel she's executive executive editor at variety and she has broken a ton of these big

01:21:17.080 stories uh she's an award-winning journalist i just went through your the list tatiana um okay

01:21:23.160 formerly rolling stone the hollywood reporter five-year stint at variety before you work there

01:21:27.940 now and you won all sorts of awards including print journalist of the year in 2019 uh by the national

01:21:34.960 arts and entertainment journalism awards and so so you're the real deal when it comes to reporting

01:21:39.180 you check your facts and before we get to jeff shell because most people don't even know who that is

01:21:44.100 but it's basically like the boss of the person running nbc news let's talk about don leman who uh

01:21:50.820 you wrote the the article in variety that talked about the weirdness with kira phillips the long

01:21:57.760 history of alleged misogyny that he got very angry about denied uh threatened to sue over let me just ask

01:22:05.920 you first of all have you been sued uh not yet okay so amazing that just just a threat but no actual

01:22:13.420 lawsuit um let's start there i'll play what he said last night at the time 100 but for people who

01:22:19.040 aren't familiar with your in-depth piece what would you say was the biggest headline out of it

01:22:23.340 the biggest headline i would say is that his purported misogyny dates back really far like the whole

01:22:32.980 kira phillips incident uh happened in 2008 soledad o'brien 2008 it there was you know um nothing that's

01:22:42.520 new here with the nikki haley comments this had been going on and even more egregious uh allegedly

01:22:48.700 back in the day the thing with kira phillips was very weird he was reportedly jealous of her they were

01:22:55.420 co-anchors on a show and she got sent to iraq which was something he wanted and then he started

01:23:01.980 to act i mean truly i've said it before like like a single white female you know like a glenn close

01:23:06.300 like really started to do according to your reporting do bizarre things to her yeah that's

01:23:11.920 how my sources described it very kind of unnerving and it unnerved many people in that very tight-knit

01:23:19.620 atlanta crew that was working at the time together um they all shared like a news pod so

01:23:25.180 uh nothing went unnoticed and it was very unnerving for people and it was to the point according to

01:23:32.360 your report where he actually got a burner phone and started to send her threatening messages i was

01:23:39.000 just going through the piece again in preparation for this but it was like he said you know like now

01:23:43.620 you've really done it and she had to figure out who's sending me these weird messages from a

01:23:47.460 burner phone this is bizarre they did an investigation and you report that it they found

01:23:52.180 out it was don lemon that he was then fired he was fired from that job he was demoted after texting

01:23:58.160 her now you've crossed the line and you're going to pay for it they traced the text back to him from

01:24:03.080 the burner phone he was abruptly pulled from his co-anchor duties with phillips moved to the weekends

01:24:07.420 it was demotion by any objective measure now he came out after this and said it's all lies the story

01:24:13.240 riddled with patently false anecdotes no concrete evidence is entirely based on unsourced unsubstantiated

01:24:19.420 15 year old anonymous gossip it's amazing and disappointing that variety would be so reckless

01:24:23.940 cnn we covered this at the time said the variety story provides no actual proof i love this because i mean

01:24:32.720 cnn is the one that would have the actual proof instead relies on anonymous sources and unsubstantiated

01:24:38.220 claims from 10 to 15 years ago cnn is unable to corroborate the alleged accounts as if it had

01:24:44.540 no record of this what you report would have been an hr investigation that led to a main anchors

01:24:50.740 demotion in light of his firing this week do you do you see that denial differently or what do you make of

01:24:58.320 it well i make that denial out to be exactly what i did three weeks ago which was it was very trumpian

01:25:06.600 uh you know it's just all fake news everything here is fake and i was like well it's an undeniable

01:25:13.260 fact that dawn was moved abruptly from weekdays to the weekend which by any objective measure is a

01:25:20.860 demotion so um you know like give me point by point what what you are disputing and it there was no

01:25:30.040 point by point it was just it's all it's you know none of this says uh we can't we can't corroborate

01:25:35.720 which is absurd to me you know right because human resources records uh maybe they're in a

01:25:42.980 vault somewhere but you can find the key to that vault and dig them up you can re-interview people

01:25:48.880 yeah they're kept for a reason well that's exactly it so that's what i was saying after the time if

01:25:53.520 if if this isn't if you don't know whether it's true you should have a working interest in finding

01:25:58.460 out whether it's true because you've now partnered him with two other women who are complaining

01:26:02.140 about him so call up kira phillips why don't you ask her she's still in the news business she's at

01:26:06.520 abc ask her if it's true and why don't you say do one better and say you know what kira if we made

01:26:11.720 you sign an nda you're released from it tell the world about your experience with don we'd all like

01:26:16.500 to know for the sake of poppy harlow and caitlin collins and every other woman at cnn they didn't do

01:26:22.040 that but don lemon was gone i don't know within a month because once again he had an on-air dust

01:26:27.780 up in which he diminished his female co-anchor and was very rude to viveka ramaswamy so now he's out

01:26:34.440 there he goes to the time 100 which is this annual event in new york where you know we try to pretend

01:26:39.060 that we're all important and was asked keep in mind he's been he's hired alice and gallus to was

01:26:44.480 let go i mean technically resigned but was forced out of cnn for having an affair with jeff zucker

01:26:49.120 she was a comms person he's hired her to advise him on how to communicate around this whole thing and

01:26:54.660 here's where he landed it's truly a surprise what it was what a surprise leaving cnn i think that my

01:27:03.280 statement speaks for itself yeah it was a surprise but life goes on you know that's behind me and

01:27:08.520 we'll see what happens in the future i'm gonna spend my summer on the beach and on the boat and

01:27:13.740 with my family and just chill out and then i'll see what happens next life is short and you have to

01:27:19.000 whatever life hands you you have to bob and weave and and and do it i'm a survivor i come from strong

01:27:25.160 sturdy stock in louisiana i live my life with no regrets i'm a survivor he went on to say people love

01:27:32.040 me i'm a survivor people love me i'm the kind of person who lives with no regret okay i mean he's

01:27:37.340 gotten like a little self-help there and uh he says onward but the truth is there no one's gonna hire

01:27:43.320 don lemon they're just not like when you did your investigation did you find don has a lot of support

01:27:48.580 behind the scenes in this industry absolutely not um although i do i could see a scenario where he does

01:27:57.860 resurface somewhere um and you know i wouldn't be totally surprised but i think no one would ever pair

01:28:06.080 him with a woman on air again uh that has gone disastrously at least twice now um back with the

01:28:13.180 kira phillips that that was in 2008 that was the last time dawn was on air with a woman until poppy

01:28:19.800 and caitlin i don't i don't see it i mean how do you hire somebody who is a known misogynist like

01:28:25.220 that's really what he was fired for and unlike the tucker situation it's all on the air the kira phillips

01:28:30.860 thing wasn't on the air but all the other stuff was on the air you could see it he told the rape

01:28:34.560 victim she should have bitten the penis he told se cup she had mommy brain because she couldn't

01:28:38.460 remember her thoughts he openly chastised his co-anchors for you know interrupting him and

01:28:43.360 tried to seize control of every broadcast talking over them so on a lot of the nikki haley comments

01:28:48.100 were so known that they were mentioned at the oscars by the best actor kareem john pierre the white

01:28:54.140 house wouldn't give an interview to him she didn't want to be interviewed by him because of all this like

01:28:58.540 all this stuff is known you don't have to say this isn't cnn trying to destroy him this is don

01:29:02.920 destroying himself yes and by the way that best actress oscar winner michelle yo she recently

01:29:09.140 said in an interview in malaysia um she would like she she said um yeah there's this person

01:29:17.100 in the united states who said when a woman woman's not in her prime anymore like she couldn't

01:29:22.060 even say don lemon because i don't even think she knew who john lemon was which i think probably

01:29:27.620 to him was like the ultimate insult like she was like yeah there's this person over there

01:29:31.860 in the united states who said that which cracked me up people love me i will say this al sharpton

01:29:37.980 is now suggesting i guess that it's racism that that the reason they let him go his national action

01:29:43.800 action network demanding an explanation we are completely stunned at his termination you are

01:29:50.000 really you're the only ones um throughout his career that soledad o'brien um suffered from

01:29:56.900 there were two women uh in my story who were on the record who are black women who

01:30:01.160 in soledad's case she he allegedly said during a meeting with some 30 people that she wasn't

01:30:08.800 really black and you know where's the outrage for that yeah because he wanted a big for her on

01:30:14.760 he wanted a big for her on another project so we're completely stunned at his termination

01:30:19.020 said al sharpton then the president and ceo of the national urban league league mark morial said

01:30:24.540 in a joint statement issued with sharpton throughout his career don has been a superb journalist

01:30:29.080 who was very open to the civil rights community uh on issues others wouldn't touch don's voice

01:30:35.100 has been invaluable to the conversation of how we become a more just nation with the health of our

01:30:40.460 democracy undergoing perhaps its greatest test we cannot afford to silence his voice well we did

01:30:47.060 we we may not be able to afford it but we apparently did it anyway over at cnn they're

01:30:53.340 gonna have to come to terms with it all right let's spend a minute on jeff shell jeff shell had a lot of

01:30:58.000 power i mean jeff's that was like the big big boss after steve burke got the boot over at nbc

01:31:04.060 universal so a lot of people i mean this is kind of like what happened with jeff zucker where he fished

01:31:09.940 off the company pier he was married like zucker was and he had an affair with an underling in this case

01:31:15.340 an on-air person who worked for cnbc yes yes and the way i describe it to my kids is um jeff shell

01:31:22.660 is kind of like the jack donaghy of uh of cnbc i mean i'm sorry of nbc universal um for the 30 rock

01:31:30.280 fans out there he's like the top doc over there right so why isn't she like why is she a victim

01:31:37.220 in this as far like i recognize she was in a less powerful position but it sounds like they had

01:31:42.800 like an 11 year affair so how is she claiming now that it was all sexual harassment it's nine years

01:31:49.520 it actually was from 2011 until 2021 um and i am not positive how what the sort of contours of the

01:32:01.040 relationship were but i think that the argument would be that is any relationship with the ceo of

01:32:07.620 a company that can determine your um employability ever truly consensual um so i think that's uh but

01:32:17.640 no one really knows exactly what she is beyond sexual harassment and sexual discrimination so

01:32:24.180 here's the problem for these guys she brought this claim when they told her they weren't renewing her

01:32:28.280 contract she's out of abu dhabi uh and so they said you know what we're not interested in employing you

01:32:33.920 anymore so if you decide to do what jeff shell did and have an affair with somebody like that and

01:32:38.680 you can basically never fire them because they're they're probably always gonna say oh we ended the

01:32:44.600 affair and suddenly i was no longer interesting to him on the air or off like you put yourself in

01:32:50.500 that position as a ceo it's just stupid it's just a stupid thing to do and who knows whether it did play

01:32:57.300 a role in their decision not to use her anymore we you and i don't know right yeah that's why you

01:33:03.660 should never have an affair with an underling because it can come back to haunt you in any

01:33:08.600 you know potential litigation and um yeah like there's it's a problem it's a problem it was a

01:33:15.860 problem at cnn with allison gallus and jeff sucker it's a problem here it's a problem anywhere it happens

01:33:21.540 meanwhile this guy jeff shells i understand it fired people like ron meyer for having an affair with

01:33:27.180 somebody outside the company outside like while he was having an affair with the cnbc anchor by the

01:33:33.840 way what's her name she's she's come out she's out of herself what's her name hadley gamble hadley

01:33:39.080 gamble so most of our viewers may not know her because she's cnbc and she's overseas but um he

01:33:44.160 so he's firing other executives for having affairs and then he continues his own extramarital affair with

01:33:48.960 an underling it's the height of hypocrisy and not really didn't go unnoticed by anyone in the

01:33:57.400 hollywood community oh god it's just dumb like there's so many beautiful women out there pick

01:34:02.760 somebody who doesn't work for you it's so simple a lot of women would be dazzled by somebody who had

01:34:07.100 his post and his power and his money you don't have to like there are plenty of attractive brunettes

01:34:12.440 which was apparently what he was looking for uh who cannot be in a position to accuse you of

01:34:16.420 harassing them just because you have a nine-year affair all right tatiana so good to see you thank

01:34:20.340 you for all the great reporting hope to see you again soon thanks for having me back megan all the

01:34:25.640 best that and that is variety's cover story this week the in-depth story about jeff shell and there's

01:34:31.600 a lesson in there for all you men uh you know understand whatever sometimes marriages aren't that

01:34:35.960 happy make bad decisions but outside outside i mean divorce also possible separation but outs off

01:34:43.560 not off the company pier just go to a different pier there's plenty of peers out there who don't

01:34:49.240 work for you um all right listen thank you for all joining us today and all week and please go over

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The Megyn Kelly Show - April 27, 2023

Fox Ratings Crater Post-Tucker, and Lia Thomas Slams Women, with Allie Beth Stuckey, Melissa Francis, and Tatiana Siegel ｜ Ep. 538

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