The Megyn Kelly Show - Fox's Post-Tucker Crisis, Harry's Media Vendetta, and Harms of Gender ＂Transition,＂ with Chadwick Moore, Dr. Miriam Grossman, and Nile Gardiner

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00:00:30.660 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

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00:00:42.140 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:00:43.840 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.220 We have a great program lined up for you today.

00:00:47.880 Later, we will be joined by Niall Gardner

00:00:50.260 for the latest on Prince Harry's immigration troubles

00:00:54.020 here in the United States.

00:00:55.320 Wait until you hear this.

00:00:56.900 And then we will hear from Dr. Miriam Grossman

00:00:59.260 to discuss her new book centered on transgender ideology.

00:01:02.840 You may remember her.

00:01:03.960 She was one of the stars of Matt Walsh's

00:01:05.440 and the Daily Wire's What is a Woman?

00:01:08.600 She was the sane one in there,

00:01:10.900 spewing a bunch of sense

00:01:12.080 in the midst of a lot of nonsense.

00:01:15.160 And she was a great find

00:01:16.740 and has been an important commentator

00:01:18.460 and expert on all of this.

00:01:20.260 She's been warning parents about gender ideology

00:01:22.120 since the early 2000s.

00:01:24.000 And we'll share some of that knowledge with us.

00:01:26.420 But we begin today with Chadwick Moore.

00:01:29.480 Chadwick is an author, journalist,

00:01:30.840 and contributing editor at The Spectator.

00:01:33.220 In May, he announced he has been writing

00:01:35.280 a biography of Tucker Carlson.

00:01:38.660 And this came out just a month after Tucker

00:01:40.760 was taken off the air by Fox.

00:01:43.000 Chadwick was once a regular on the network

00:01:44.880 and one of Tucker's final guests.

00:01:46.820 He was on that very last show of Tucker's,

00:01:48.520 but now claims he is banned from the network

00:01:52.340 because he's writing a book on Tucker

00:01:55.100 that comes out next month.

00:01:57.440 Chadwick joins me now as there is breaking news

00:01:59.980 in the Tucker versus Fox News war.

00:02:02.820 Chadwick, welcome to the show.

00:02:05.000 Hey, Megan, thanks for having me on.

00:02:06.920 Yeah, it's great to see you.

00:02:07.860 All right, I'll get to the breaking news

00:02:09.060 on this war in one second.

00:02:11.580 But we had had a guest on

00:02:13.960 when you first revealed

00:02:15.080 that you'd been working on this book.

00:02:16.280 And I think I suggested

00:02:17.980 it was an authorized biography.

00:02:19.580 And you said, not exactly.

00:02:21.260 You've been working with Tucker.

00:02:22.680 You've been talking to Tucker

00:02:23.420 and his friends and so on.

00:02:24.820 But it's not, how is it not authorized?

00:02:28.820 Right, well, in the sense that Tucker,

00:02:30.780 I have complete editorial control.

00:02:32.680 So Tucker has been along the whole way.

00:02:35.480 He agreed, you know, I said,

00:02:36.860 we said we want to do this book.

00:02:38.140 And Tucker was like, yeah, sure, why not?

00:02:39.840 And he's been totally open.

00:02:41.620 But, you know, some authorized biographies

00:02:43.460 are the subject will appoint a writer.

00:02:46.620 They get to see what's in the book.

00:02:47.980 Tucker has not seen a word,

00:02:49.160 nor has he asked to see a word.

00:02:50.900 And so we've had complete

00:02:51.920 editorial independence in this book.

00:02:54.320 I see.

00:02:54.720 And when did this project start?

00:02:57.720 It started last spring

00:02:59.040 is when my publisher

00:03:00.160 came to me with the idea

00:03:01.360 that they want to do a book

00:03:02.580 on Tucker Carlson.

00:03:03.980 And it was supposed to actually

00:03:05.220 be released May 31st of this year.

00:03:07.940 And we were basically done.

00:03:10.400 I submitted my manuscript

00:03:11.920 in late March.

00:03:14.720 And we were just sort of going through it.

00:03:16.360 In fact, the week that his show

00:03:18.180 was taken off the air,

00:03:18.900 I had my last call with him scheduled

00:03:20.440 to just answer some last minute questions,

00:03:23.500 tidy up some loose ends.

00:03:24.820 And then his show was taken off the air.

00:03:26.620 And so since then,

00:03:27.380 I've gotten to interview him twice

00:03:29.380 regarding the aftermath

00:03:31.080 and then update the book

00:03:33.000 with new chapters relating to that.

00:03:34.800 But this is like not not in any way

00:03:37.560 to compare Tucker to Sam Bankman Freed.

00:03:40.040 But this reminds me of there.

00:03:42.540 There was an author.

00:03:43.480 I'm trying to remember

00:03:44.060 which one it was,

00:03:44.640 a famous author who'd been

00:03:45.780 trailing Sam Bankman Freed

00:03:47.620 for some time.

00:03:48.560 And then it came out

00:03:49.520 that he was accused

00:03:50.280 of running this massive fraud

00:03:51.540 and his whole crypto thing

00:03:52.700 collapsed.

00:03:53.660 So you're covering somebody

00:03:54.780 who's not a criminal,

00:03:56.260 quite the contrary,

00:03:57.280 but just doing a profile

00:03:58.940 on an interesting guy,

00:04:00.080 a book on an inch.

00:04:00.580 And then, boom,

00:04:01.820 he becomes the center

00:04:02.580 of the media universe,

00:04:03.540 even more so.

00:04:04.360 The news universe.

00:04:05.320 I mean, sometimes as as a journalist,

00:04:07.500 you could just get lucky.

00:04:08.700 I mean, not to celebrate

00:04:09.980 Tucker's problems,

00:04:11.140 but I think he, too,

00:04:12.080 would admit this point.

00:04:14.000 Yeah, well,

00:04:14.320 there's another incident

00:04:15.220 that comes to mind

00:04:15.920 is someone who's working

00:04:17.140 on a biography of Steve Jobs

00:04:18.460 right when he died.

00:04:19.240 And then that book,

00:04:20.280 you know, kind of took off.

00:04:21.900 You know, I'm not celebrating

00:04:22.640 Tucker's show being taken

00:04:23.640 off the air by any means.

00:04:25.180 But yeah,

00:04:26.000 the timing is sort of incredible.

00:04:28.740 Yeah, it was Michael Lewis

00:04:29.960 who had been following around

00:04:31.240 Sam Bankman Freed.

00:04:32.440 And I remember I think

00:04:33.480 it was CAA,

00:04:34.200 the agency,

00:04:35.000 sent out all these memos

00:04:36.760 to people saying,

00:04:37.620 Michael Lewis is already

00:04:38.260 writing the book.

00:04:38.920 He's already writing the book.

00:04:40.120 Don't get any ideas.

00:04:41.420 He's got it.

00:04:42.360 He's got exclusive access.

00:04:43.800 So I think there will be

00:04:44.880 a huge audience for your book

00:04:46.040 and people can preorder it now.

00:04:47.500 It's just called Tucker.

00:04:49.080 And you should order it

00:04:50.280 because we want to support Chadwick

00:04:51.660 and we want to support Tucker.

00:04:53.620 And the audience

00:04:54.700 is already doing that

00:04:55.560 at Fox News.

00:04:56.380 I'm going to get into the ratings,

00:04:57.420 but they're absolutely abysmal

00:04:58.880 in his time slot

00:04:59.820 and throughout the prime time.

00:05:01.380 I don't know if we're calling

00:05:02.060 this a boycott

00:05:02.800 or just people are done.

00:05:04.280 It's not like a temporary thing.

00:05:05.560 They're just done

00:05:06.280 with Fox after this behavior

00:05:08.060 and the latest numbers show it.

00:05:09.940 So let me begin here.

00:05:11.600 Last night,

00:05:12.660 two nights ago,

00:05:13.440 I think it was,

00:05:14.060 Tucker released episode one,

00:05:15.860 what he was calling episode one

00:05:17.460 of his new show.

00:05:19.020 It's an independent offering

00:05:20.520 that he's producing himself.

00:05:22.660 He popped up on air,

00:05:23.980 I think out of his main studio

00:05:25.140 and offered,

00:05:27.360 it was about 11 minutes,

00:05:29.060 his thoughts on the media

00:05:30.640 and other things today.

00:05:33.120 It was just a brief bit.

00:05:34.260 Here's a sound bit from it.

00:05:37.540 Diversity is our strength.

00:05:39.420 Trans women are women.

00:05:40.820 Zelensky is Churchill.

00:05:42.540 It's all self-evidently true.

00:05:44.860 Doesn't need an explanation

00:05:45.860 and don't ask questions.

00:05:47.620 By this point,

00:05:48.260 it's possible that American citizens

00:05:50.100 are the least informed people

00:05:52.140 in the world.

00:05:53.040 As of today,

00:05:54.140 we've come to Twitter,

00:05:55.020 which we're told

00:05:55.500 there are no gatekeepers here.

00:05:56.980 If that turns out to be false,

00:05:58.460 we'll leave.

00:06:00.620 Okay,

00:06:01.080 so that's,

00:06:01.620 he pops up his thoughts.

00:06:02.840 And then Chadwick,

00:06:04.000 I mean,

00:06:04.480 like that,

00:06:05.920 he reportedly got a letter

00:06:07.200 from Fox News saying,

00:06:08.300 you breached your contract.

00:06:09.300 You are required

00:06:10.060 to stay exclusive to us

00:06:11.100 because remember,

00:06:11.660 as I first reported,

00:06:12.840 he was not fired.

00:06:13.980 He was just booted off

00:06:14.840 of his show.

00:06:15.360 They continue to pay him

00:06:16.240 because they want to keep him

00:06:17.180 muzzled

00:06:18.200 through at least 2025.

00:06:20.720 Well,

00:06:21.960 he's having a legal battle

00:06:23.100 with them.

00:06:23.540 They're slow rolling it

00:06:24.740 because the longer

00:06:25.960 he's on the sidelines,

00:06:26.920 the better for them.

00:06:28.600 And this is Tucker's

00:06:29.620 first real middle finger,

00:06:31.300 I think,

00:06:31.720 to them saying,

00:06:32.560 I'm doing it.

00:06:33.740 I will not stay muzzled.

00:06:34.840 How do you see it?

00:06:36.660 Right.

00:06:36.880 And Fox's lawyer said

00:06:38.360 something about him

00:06:38.940 rendering services.

00:06:40.080 Well,

00:06:40.240 I don't know if he's

00:06:41.480 actually rendering services

00:06:42.740 if he's not getting paid.

00:06:44.740 You know,

00:06:44.960 from what I was told initially

00:06:46.580 is that Twitter is not mentioned

00:06:48.280 in his non-compete.

00:06:50.540 And that is why,

00:06:51.600 you know,

00:06:51.860 I suppose that Fox News

00:06:53.120 employees are allowed

00:06:54.320 to use Twitter

00:06:54.920 to express their opinions

00:06:56.520 on issues of the day.

00:06:58.060 And that would be apparently

00:06:59.600 what Tucker did in this.

00:07:00.680 You know,

00:07:00.800 he's not making money.

00:07:01.620 He's not an employee

00:07:02.460 of Elon Musk

00:07:03.120 or partnering with Elon Musk

00:07:04.320 in any way.

00:07:05.720 And Fox is,

00:07:08.080 he,

00:07:08.540 people have said

00:07:09.200 that they're committed

00:07:09.740 to keeping him off the air

00:07:10.760 until after the election.

00:07:11.880 His contract runs out

00:07:13.580 in early 2025.

00:07:15.380 And they're certainly

00:07:17.040 lowering up.

00:07:17.460 But I've heard

00:07:17.920 from a lot of Fox people,

00:07:19.200 you know,

00:07:19.780 you would know better

00:07:20.480 than anyone,

00:07:21.020 this is pretty standard

00:07:21.840 behavior for Fox,

00:07:22.760 sending these threatening

00:07:23.400 letters to people

00:07:24.120 that were once employees

00:07:26.220 or still under contract

00:07:27.740 with them.

00:07:28.920 Mm-hmm.

00:07:29.420 There,

00:07:29.900 reportedly,

00:07:31.280 and I haven't seen

00:07:31.780 Tucker's deal,

00:07:32.900 but reportedly,

00:07:33.860 there is,

00:07:34.840 a clause in it

00:07:35.800 that prohibits him

00:07:36.640 from,

00:07:37.020 as you point out,

00:07:37.780 rendering services

00:07:38.580 of any type whatsoever,

00:07:40.180 whether over the internet

00:07:41.660 via streaming

00:07:42.820 or similar distribution

00:07:44.920 or other digital distribution,

00:07:47.200 whether known

00:07:47.680 or hereafter devised.

00:07:49.380 But Fox,

00:07:50.180 of course,

00:07:50.680 has allowed

00:07:51.260 all of its personalities

00:07:52.320 to post on Twitter

00:07:53.300 since I was there.

00:07:54.740 I mean,

00:07:54.960 since Twitter was born.

00:07:56.440 And so there will be

00:07:57.620 a dispute about

00:07:58.260 whether this qualifies

00:07:59.280 as a, quote,

00:08:00.100 breach.

00:08:00.720 I've been talking

00:08:01.560 all along about

00:08:02.280 whether Fox

00:08:02.940 committed a prior

00:08:04.320 material breach

00:08:05.680 in connection

00:08:06.540 with this whole thing.

00:08:07.460 They cut the guy

00:08:08.920 out of his show

00:08:09.680 and then they promptly

00:08:11.500 engaged in what

00:08:12.260 looked like a

00:08:12.800 coordinated leak

00:08:13.880 campaign against him.

00:08:15.160 And in that vein,

00:08:16.900 I want to get into

00:08:17.820 this, Chad,

00:08:18.440 because there is

00:08:19.340 a bizarre new twist

00:08:21.000 in this whole leak saga.

00:08:23.000 All right.

00:08:23.180 The federal authorities

00:08:24.260 are now suggesting

00:08:25.540 that an outside party,

00:08:27.580 an outside party,

00:08:28.220 some guy I'd never heard of

00:08:29.260 named Timothy Burke,

00:08:30.180 he's apparently a journalist

00:08:31.820 or a former journalist.

00:08:33.280 He used to work

00:08:33.980 for the sports website

00:08:34.860 Deadspin and then later

00:08:36.440 for a short time

00:08:37.000 at the Daily Beast,

00:08:37.780 that this guy may have

00:08:38.680 been behind the Media

00:08:39.480 Matters video leaks

00:08:40.620 on Tucker.

00:08:41.900 The Media Matters one,

00:08:42.980 those little weird

00:08:43.580 videos of him

00:08:44.360 while he was on set

00:08:45.940 and on cam,

00:08:46.880 but not on the air.

00:08:48.360 So this was first

00:08:49.480 broken by the Tampa

00:08:50.240 Bay Times.

00:08:51.200 They reported that

00:08:51.900 a federal prosecutor

00:08:52.840 in Tampa wrote a letter

00:08:54.140 to Fox News last month

00:08:55.280 revealing that a

00:08:56.960 criminal probe

00:08:57.700 is happening.

00:08:58.840 But the letter

00:09:01.020 did not name

00:09:01.560 the target

00:09:02.060 of this criminal probe,

00:09:03.340 but they said

00:09:03.660 it relates to Fox News

00:09:04.600 and, you know,

00:09:05.940 you should be aware

00:09:06.700 as a potential victim.

00:09:08.600 The Times managed

00:09:09.260 to tie it

00:09:09.860 to Mr. Burke,

00:09:11.380 the Tampa Bay Times,

00:09:12.480 adding to this letter,

00:09:14.000 saying we know

00:09:14.480 who the target is.

00:09:15.280 It's this guy,

00:09:16.380 Timothy Burke.

00:09:17.400 And they reported

00:09:18.360 that the FBI

00:09:18.900 actually raided

00:09:19.740 this guy's home.

00:09:21.380 Tampa Bay Times

00:09:21.940 reporting that

00:09:22.460 the investigation,

00:09:23.300 quote,

00:09:23.560 concerns allegations

00:09:24.900 of unauthorized

00:09:26.480 computer access,

00:09:27.420 unauthorized computer

00:09:28.580 access,

00:09:29.160 interception

00:09:29.840 of wire,

00:09:31.480 oral or electronic

00:09:32.680 communication,

00:09:34.220 conspiracy and other

00:09:35.300 federal crimes.

00:09:36.200 Now, that to me

00:09:37.140 suggests hacking,

00:09:39.020 interception of crime.

00:09:40.020 My God, what?

00:09:41.680 So this guy, Burke,

00:09:42.660 who is he?

00:09:43.200 He's a he's married

00:09:44.120 to a Democrat

00:09:44.740 city councilwoman

00:09:45.640 down in Tampa.

00:09:47.020 And we're all

00:09:48.060 looking at this saying,

00:09:49.020 what connection,

00:09:49.900 if any,

00:09:50.100 does he have

00:09:50.540 to any of this?

00:09:51.700 What?

00:09:52.200 How would this guy

00:09:52.840 get his hands

00:09:53.580 on internal Fox

00:09:55.500 News outtakes

00:09:56.380 from Tucker's show?

00:09:57.980 Well, his attorney

00:09:58.800 has weighed in.

00:09:59.700 His name is Mark Rash.

00:10:01.000 He spoke to

00:10:01.840 The Washington Post.

00:10:02.820 He denied

00:10:03.300 that anything illegal

00:10:04.660 was done.

00:10:05.640 But he seems to admit

00:10:07.060 that his client

00:10:07.780 accessed information

00:10:09.240 regarding Tucker.

00:10:10.560 He said to The Washington

00:10:11.320 Post, quote,

00:10:12.320 we are confident

00:10:13.040 that when all the facts

00:10:14.040 come out,

00:10:14.540 it will be demonstrated

00:10:15.420 that Timothy

00:10:15.980 never hacked anyone

00:10:17.420 and that all the

00:10:18.940 information he provided

00:10:20.080 was accessible

00:10:21.600 to the public.

00:10:23.140 What?

00:10:23.940 What do you mean

00:10:24.700 it was accessible

00:10:25.300 to the,

00:10:25.800 how?

00:10:26.720 What's,

00:10:27.240 what information?

00:10:29.320 Now,

00:10:29.720 that is apparently

00:10:30.420 being investigated

00:10:31.120 by the feds.

00:10:32.080 And the feds

00:10:32.880 are also apparently

00:10:33.820 investigating not only

00:10:34.840 these Media Matters

00:10:35.740 leaks,

00:10:36.320 we think,

00:10:37.480 but the publication

00:10:38.480 last fall

00:10:39.520 of another

00:10:40.660 unauthorized

00:10:41.500 Tucker Carlson video.

00:10:42.700 And that was an

00:10:43.220 outtake

00:10:43.680 from his interview

00:10:45.120 with Ye,

00:10:46.920 Kanye West.

00:10:48.400 Right?

00:10:48.920 So remember that

00:10:49.600 came out.

00:10:50.040 It had some clip

00:10:50.980 about Ye saying

00:10:52.300 some really weird

00:10:52.960 things about,

00:10:53.800 I don't know,

00:10:54.400 fake kids being

00:10:55.040 implanted at his

00:10:56.080 home.

00:10:56.320 I can't remember.

00:10:57.240 But that was

00:10:57.700 another unauthorized

00:10:59.300 release.

00:11:00.740 And now Burke's

00:11:01.300 attorney is admitting

00:11:02.040 to WAPO that Burke,

00:11:03.560 he doesn't work for

00:11:04.380 a news organization

00:11:04.940 right now,

00:11:05.580 but they say he's

00:11:06.460 got a communications

00:11:07.100 company that he's,

00:11:08.040 quote,

00:11:08.140 still engaged in

00:11:08.940 journalism.

00:11:09.680 This was the quote.

00:11:10.780 Tim is a master

00:11:11.940 at finding links

00:11:13.700 to stuff publicly

00:11:15.280 posted on the

00:11:16.100 internet.

00:11:16.420 If a video is

00:11:17.500 posted public,

00:11:19.060 unencrypted,

00:11:19.720 and unprotected,

00:11:20.980 then there's

00:11:21.740 simply no crime

00:11:22.380 committed when a

00:11:23.060 journalist like Tim

00:11:23.900 finds it and

00:11:25.260 accurately reports

00:11:26.360 on it.

00:11:27.540 I mean,

00:11:28.120 all of this raises

00:11:28.920 more questions,

00:11:29.860 right?

00:11:30.080 He found it.

00:11:31.140 He found it on the

00:11:32.100 internet.

00:11:32.500 It was unencrypted.

00:11:33.440 It was unprotected.

00:11:34.140 How?

00:11:34.960 Did someone give it to

00:11:35.860 him?

00:11:36.380 Did someone point him

00:11:37.200 on where to look for

00:11:38.400 it?

00:11:38.500 How would he even

00:11:39.140 know that?

00:11:40.560 And did he then

00:11:41.600 leak all of those

00:11:43.600 videos to Media

00:11:44.200 Matters?

00:11:44.660 And did he leak at

00:11:45.840 least two of those

00:11:46.560 videos to the New York

00:11:48.160 Times?

00:11:49.280 Remember that April

00:11:50.200 article that I've

00:11:50.980 called people's

00:11:51.460 attention to before?

00:11:53.080 The April 26th New

00:11:54.740 York Times article

00:11:55.540 that first said there

00:11:57.560 are problematic texts

00:11:58.940 in connection with the

00:12:00.100 Dominion litigation that

00:12:01.720 got Tucker fired.

00:12:03.180 Oh, and by the way,

00:12:04.220 we've also seen two

00:12:05.600 videos of him referring

00:12:06.820 to women as yummy and

00:12:08.660 talking about post-menopausal

00:12:10.260 women.

00:12:11.300 So is it possible this

00:12:12.880 guy down in Florida

00:12:13.720 leaked two videos of

00:12:15.720 the many he would

00:12:16.820 later allegedly give to

00:12:17.920 Media Matters to the

00:12:19.080 New York Times at the

00:12:19.820 same time that someone

00:12:21.560 was leaking confidential

00:12:22.460 documents to the Times

00:12:23.460 from the Dominion

00:12:24.160 litigation that only

00:12:25.340 Dominion and Fox News

00:12:26.320 would have?

00:12:26.840 I mean, this is like

00:12:27.520 getting so twisted.

00:12:29.460 All this is going to be

00:12:30.320 investigated right now.

00:12:31.400 It looks like multiple

00:12:31.980 people were out to hurt

00:12:32.980 Tucker Carlson.

00:12:35.120 Chadwick, what do you

00:12:35.640 make of it all?

00:12:37.320 So my first impression

00:12:39.020 was actually when those

00:12:40.040 videos were leaked was

00:12:41.240 so Tucker had been

00:12:41.920 through this before

00:12:42.640 that a there's a lot

00:12:44.040 of third party

00:12:44.840 contractors that will

00:12:45.700 work on his nightly

00:12:46.360 show and I would know

00:12:47.200 that like I'm in New

00:12:48.300 York, he's in Florida.

00:12:49.480 So a lot of my

00:12:50.240 appearances would be

00:12:51.060 through a mobile

00:12:51.980 studio or if I'm

00:12:53.440 traveling some local

00:12:54.260 studio.

00:12:55.040 My first thought when I

00:12:56.180 saw those videos was

00:12:57.200 that some third party

00:12:58.320 contractor at a mobile

00:12:59.400 studio or remote

00:13:00.560 studio was just

00:13:01.700 recording him because

00:13:02.440 they could see him,

00:13:03.360 you know, during breaks

00:13:04.640 or whatever.

00:13:05.240 And they wanted to

00:13:06.540 make some money to get

00:13:07.320 on the, you know,

00:13:08.080 while this was in the

00:13:08.720 news and they sold it

00:13:09.500 to Media Matters

00:13:10.180 or whoever.

00:13:11.000 That's what I

00:13:11.440 initially thought.

00:13:11.920 It happened to Tucker

00:13:12.580 before there was a few

00:13:14.160 years ago that he was

00:13:15.220 talking about how he had

00:13:16.400 surgery and he took

00:13:17.220 some painkillers and

00:13:18.160 he and and actually

00:13:19.400 his the unedited audio

00:13:21.420 was that was his sort

00:13:22.640 of sympathizing with,

00:13:23.740 you know, basically

00:13:24.180 opioid addicts now

00:13:25.240 horrible it is to be on

00:13:26.080 these drugs.

00:13:26.540 It was edited to make it

00:13:27.720 sound like he was a

00:13:28.360 drug addict, which he's

00:13:29.120 been sober for over 20

00:13:30.040 years.

00:13:30.780 But so this has

00:13:31.300 happened to him before

00:13:32.260 and it was a third

00:13:33.520 party contractor who did

00:13:34.580 that.

00:13:35.320 So that was my initial

00:13:36.160 thought.

00:13:36.680 But then I wondered,

00:13:38.140 of course, with with

00:13:39.220 with access to things

00:13:40.800 that only the that Fox

00:13:42.000 News and Dominion would

00:13:42.820 have being leaked

00:13:43.620 seems suspicious.

00:13:44.640 And then I wondered

00:13:45.580 why would why would

00:13:48.340 they the New York Times

00:13:51.160 or I'm sorry, then why

00:13:51.980 would Fox News go on

00:13:53.860 while this is happening

00:13:54.920 and disparage him to the

00:13:56.500 New York Times and say,

00:13:57.500 well, he was fired over

00:13:58.400 these this racist text

00:13:59.840 message.

00:14:00.160 He sent one text message.

00:14:01.320 It wasn't racist at all.

00:14:02.560 And that all happened

00:14:03.480 in conjunction with this.

00:14:04.540 So then, you know, I

00:14:05.360 wondered if maybe Fox

00:14:06.240 was behind these leaks

00:14:07.020 and trying to create an

00:14:09.140 atmosphere to turn

00:14:09.740 against Tucker, which

00:14:10.460 obviously backfired.

00:14:11.340 Anyone who saw those

00:14:11.940 videos that sort of more

00:14:12.960 endeared them to Tucker,

00:14:14.040 it was just a guy being a

00:14:15.360 guy and, you know, joking

00:14:16.780 around with his staff.

00:14:18.620 Right now, I said in the

00:14:19.300 air at the time that if

00:14:21.460 this was Fox behind these

00:14:22.760 videos, they lost their

00:14:23.660 fastball because what

00:14:25.860 about these videos would

00:14:27.020 alienate Tucker's

00:14:28.960 audience from Tucker?

00:14:30.040 And I do know that Fox

00:14:32.580 is in a deep panic about

00:14:35.380 Tucker coming out and

00:14:37.120 competing against them.

00:14:38.880 They do not want that.

00:14:40.480 They recognize he will hurt

00:14:42.520 them and they are doing

00:14:43.540 everything in their power to

00:14:45.040 keep him on the sidelines.

00:14:46.040 I mean, we we previously

00:14:47.460 reported that the Fox

00:14:48.440 Corp general counsel went

00:14:50.320 to the comms chief within

00:14:51.620 Fox News, Irina Briganti,

00:14:52.940 after that April 26 New York

00:14:54.220 Time article hit and said

00:14:56.180 they believe she was the

00:14:57.880 source of the leaks of at

00:14:59.140 least those Tucker Carlson

00:15:00.420 texts.

00:15:01.100 All right.

00:15:01.620 And they warned her she

00:15:02.960 was going to be fired if

00:15:04.460 they caught her leaking.

00:15:06.540 And then we also know that

00:15:08.520 it wasn't just that New York

00:15:09.380 Times piece, by the way,

00:15:10.160 that led the general counsel

00:15:11.080 to suspect Irina of

00:15:12.120 leaking.

00:15:12.580 Like there's multiple issues

00:15:13.720 which will come out

00:15:14.680 eventually.

00:15:15.560 She denies it.

00:15:16.280 She says it's all

00:15:16.800 categorically false.

00:15:18.060 But I mean that this is

00:15:20.780 how panicked they are about

00:15:22.040 him, about Tucker 2.0

00:15:24.560 Chadwick.

00:15:25.240 They cannot have him coming

00:15:27.080 out and competing against

00:15:28.520 them.

00:15:28.880 That's what this is all

00:15:29.540 about.

00:15:29.840 So he's turfed off to the

00:15:31.840 side, but he's got to remain

00:15:33.280 muzzled.

00:15:35.280 Yeah, exactly.

00:15:36.020 And it's I mean, it seems

00:15:37.180 like now we're realizing that

00:15:38.300 Tucker was sort of

00:15:38.960 artificially not only

00:15:40.640 extending the life but

00:15:41.520 relevance of cable news.

00:15:42.800 And I think I mean, a lot of

00:15:44.120 Fox's poor viewers had had

00:15:45.660 it up to their ears with

00:15:47.220 Fox just over the years

00:15:48.600 feeling betrayed by things

00:15:50.640 that they'd done and also

00:15:51.800 realizing that Fox was this

00:15:53.160 corporation that represented

00:15:54.440 things in which they stood

00:15:55.800 against as sort of more

00:15:56.740 nationalist, populist, civil

00:15:58.040 libertarians.

00:15:59.300 But it seems like that they

00:16:01.140 would give Fox a pass for the

00:16:02.600 sake that they still had

00:16:03.780 Tucker on the air.

00:16:04.980 You know, Fox might be doing

00:16:06.080 all sorts of things.

00:16:06.840 They might have called

00:16:07.300 Arizona too early, et cetera,

00:16:09.120 et cetera.

00:16:09.820 But they still let Tucker talk.

00:16:11.300 They still let him on the air.

00:16:12.260 So they must not be that bad.

00:16:14.240 Now that they gave him the

00:16:15.040 boot, we're seeing it now

00:16:16.800 in the results.

00:16:17.500 I mean, MSNBC is beating

00:16:19.280 them in Tucker's old slot.

00:16:20.920 I mean, I don't think those

00:16:21.640 viewers are coming back.

00:16:22.520 In fact, he was bringing

00:16:23.460 people to cable news that

00:16:25.100 wouldn't normally be there.

00:16:26.900 And and now those people

00:16:28.960 are gone.

00:16:29.740 They were only there for him.

00:16:31.400 Yeah, that's exactly right.

00:16:32.520 Well, I mean, I want you to

00:16:33.700 get to the ratings one second,

00:16:34.640 but I do want to say all of

00:16:36.500 this matters because, OK, if

00:16:38.220 it was an outside party doing

00:16:39.380 the leaking of the media

00:16:40.320 matters stuff, that's that

00:16:42.120 can't be held against Fox

00:16:43.020 News unless Fox News somehow

00:16:44.300 cooperated with it or somebody

00:16:45.800 inside made it available.

00:16:47.180 They're saying it was it was

00:16:49.180 not unauthorized.

00:16:50.060 So what the hell does that

00:16:51.100 mean?

00:16:51.300 Right. But that does not

00:16:52.900 resolve the question of who's

00:16:54.320 leaking the Tucker texts in

00:16:55.820 connection with the

00:16:56.980 Dominion litigation, which he

00:16:58.600 provided to the Fox

00:16:59.880 General Counsel only.

00:17:01.920 Right. That's who he had

00:17:03.380 them. Fox had them and

00:17:05.040 Dominion had them.

00:17:06.400 And Dominion is denying that

00:17:07.480 it provided any leaks of any

00:17:08.860 kind. Why would it jeopardize

00:17:10.140 its eight hundred million

00:17:10.880 dollars? Fox had every

00:17:12.760 incentive in the world to try

00:17:13.780 to hurt Tucker at the time

00:17:14.980 these were surprisingly

00:17:16.460 revealed.

00:17:17.800 You know, and the Daily

00:17:18.360 Caller reported in late May

00:17:19.640 that this same general counsel

00:17:21.380 of Fox, Viet Dinh, reached out

00:17:22.820 to a Tucker associate with a

00:17:24.100 message for Tucker saying

00:17:26.320 one, Irene had been warned she

00:17:27.840 was going to be fired if she

00:17:28.760 were caught leaking, and two

00:17:29.760 saying a Fox board member was

00:17:32.080 suspected of speaking to the

00:17:33.280 press as well.

00:17:34.420 Fox denies all of this.

00:17:35.620 Right. They said they told the

00:17:36.480 Daily Caller it's not true.

00:17:37.680 But all this matters because if

00:17:39.160 Fox was behind any of these

00:17:40.320 leaks, it it could very well be,

00:17:42.080 as I've said, I believe it would

00:17:43.060 be a breach of contract, a prior

00:17:45.100 material breach of the very deal.

00:17:47.140 They're now saying Tucker breached

00:17:48.360 by dropping dropping the first

00:17:49.980 episode of that show on Twitter.

00:17:52.040 All this is going to be played

00:17:53.400 out in an arbitration.

00:17:54.460 And Fox is in a very difficult

00:17:55.800 position trying to say to an

00:17:57.000 arbitrator.

00:17:58.460 He said we don't have to pay him

00:18:00.100 like we fired him sort of from

00:18:02.140 from his show without cause, not

00:18:04.780 even Fox is alleging they had

00:18:05.900 caused for the termination.

00:18:07.740 And he said, OK, here's your money

00:18:09.340 back. You've gotten back the

00:18:11.000 benefit of the bargain, your money.

00:18:13.180 I've given you my benefit of the

00:18:14.560 bargain, your money.

00:18:16.220 Now, just let me go.

00:18:17.100 And the only thing they're going

00:18:17.940 to be arbitrating over is whether

00:18:19.180 they have the right to muzzle

00:18:20.740 him.

00:18:21.560 And the problem, Chadwick, is the

00:18:23.260 numbers you just said.

00:18:24.340 You just hit the nail right on

00:18:25.240 the head in the month of May.

00:18:27.820 MSNBC came within 15000 viewers

00:18:30.960 of taking the month off of Fox

00:18:32.820 in the key advertising demo of

00:18:34.800 twenty five fifty four.

00:18:35.760 I don't remember when that's ever

00:18:36.700 happened before.

00:18:37.720 Within fifteen thousand.

00:18:39.660 Now, both of the numbers are down

00:18:41.200 in the basement.

00:18:42.500 One hundred and thirty five

00:18:43.240 thousand was Fox's demo average

00:18:44.760 in May in the prime time.

00:18:46.200 My God.

00:18:47.520 MSNBC had one hundred and twenty

00:18:48.700 thousand.

00:18:48.940 That's nothing.

00:18:49.920 That's embarrassing.

00:18:51.300 Ben Shapiro.

00:18:52.020 We would be embarrassed to be

00:18:53.560 logging those kinds of numbers.

00:18:55.740 But even just this week on

00:18:57.360 Monday, we pulled the numbers.

00:18:59.440 Seven p.m.

00:19:00.900 Jesse Waters almost lost

00:19:02.720 to Joy Reid.

00:19:03.840 He did lose to her on Tuesday.

00:19:06.000 Jesse Waters lost to Joy Reid

00:19:08.060 on Tuesday.

00:19:09.380 The eight p.m.

00:19:10.020 Mauer on Monday.

00:19:11.020 Harris Faulkner's in.

00:19:12.460 She lost both to CNN

00:19:14.460 and to MSNBC.

00:19:17.140 Tucker Carlson has never

00:19:18.120 done that in his life.

00:19:19.020 That's never happened.

00:19:19.980 I mean, it's he was getting

00:19:21.780 four times these ratings.

00:19:24.280 And indeed, it's been

00:19:26.140 I think I wrote down.

00:19:27.080 It's a what?

00:19:27.640 A sixty two percent drop

00:19:28.960 in the Fox News demo average

00:19:30.260 for primetime year over year.

00:19:32.440 Year over year.

00:19:33.000 Fox has lost sixty two percent.

00:19:36.140 Hannity, too, lost.

00:19:37.840 He lost to Cooper and Maddow

00:19:40.700 on Monday night.

00:19:42.380 My God, the entire primetime

00:19:43.700 is blown up, Chad.

00:19:47.140 It's it's three times Bud Light.

00:19:49.520 You know, we're all looking

00:19:50.580 at what's happening to Bud Light.

00:19:51.540 But if you look at the percentages

00:19:52.340 and the numbers, it's a massive

00:19:54.640 bigger boycott than what's

00:19:55.860 happening to Bud Light.

00:19:57.580 And, you know, it's just when I

00:19:58.660 ask everyone that, you know,

00:20:01.480 and I was speaking about this,

00:20:02.680 why would Fox do this?

00:20:03.600 For whatever reason, they pull

00:20:04.820 the show up here.

00:20:05.560 Everyone says to me, it's

00:20:07.220 management, they are completely

00:20:08.260 stupid.

00:20:08.760 You can completely chalk it up

00:20:09.920 to management being completely

00:20:11.020 out of touch with their

00:20:12.280 audience and with what's

00:20:13.880 happening in media and still

00:20:14.980 believing that they're the Fox

00:20:16.080 News of 20 years ago, which

00:20:17.340 was this indestructible

00:20:18.760 juggernaut.

00:20:19.780 You know, everyone that I'd

00:20:20.880 spoken to has said that, you

00:20:22.900 know, the management still

00:20:23.760 believes that it's the brand

00:20:25.080 that matters, not the

00:20:26.020 personality.

00:20:27.020 And it doesn't that the faces

00:20:28.640 are interchangeable and the

00:20:30.260 brand will survive no matter

00:20:31.020 what.

00:20:31.480 When it seems like the direction

00:20:32.900 that media has moved, not

00:20:33.940 just social media, et cetera,

00:20:35.340 but it's moved into a place

00:20:37.220 where people want

00:20:38.140 personalities.

00:20:38.700 They want people they can

00:20:39.780 trust and they want people

00:20:41.120 they want a relationship with

00:20:42.500 the person who's delivering

00:20:43.440 them the news and the

00:20:44.160 commentary.

00:20:44.760 And Tucker certainly had that.

00:20:46.460 You know, people felt like

00:20:47.200 they had a personal

00:20:47.820 relationship with him and he

00:20:48.820 was appointment doing, you

00:20:50.160 know, how many millions of

00:20:50.920 people are still saying, I

00:20:52.040 don't know what to do at

00:20:52.740 eight o'clock tonight because

00:20:54.320 for a million for years, this

00:20:56.140 is my left and right on the

00:20:57.900 left and right.

00:20:58.400 I mean, I know I know a lot of

00:20:59.540 committed liberals who would

00:21:00.720 at least tune in for Tucker's

00:21:01.800 talking points just to hear

00:21:03.300 what he had to say because

00:21:04.020 he was number one in 25 to

00:21:06.400 54 year old Democrats as

00:21:07.700 well.

00:21:08.040 And all of cable.

00:21:09.760 Wow.

00:21:10.180 So now I'm interested in the

00:21:12.600 Fox News boycott of you.

00:21:14.800 The viewers are boycotting

00:21:15.840 Fox.

00:21:16.360 You're getting boycotted, too.

00:21:17.720 So what happened?

00:21:19.580 So, you know, I was a

00:21:20.960 regular on several shows, not

00:21:22.140 just Tucker's.

00:21:23.140 Well, two other shows are

00:21:23.960 regular and that appear on

00:21:24.900 some other shows.

00:21:25.860 And I was scheduled to be on

00:21:28.520 Gutfeld at the end of this

00:21:29.760 month, May 31st, which is

00:21:30.840 normal every month I would be

00:21:31.920 on at the end of the month.

00:21:32.740 I knew to expect it and I

00:21:34.160 was booked.

00:21:34.920 And the day that we

00:21:35.980 announced this book about an

00:21:37.320 hour or two later, I got an

00:21:38.440 email with some super lame

00:21:40.540 excuse.

00:21:41.480 Oh, we're overbooked.

00:21:42.460 Sorry.

00:21:43.060 You know, when that's

00:21:43.680 happened before, it's it's,

00:21:45.260 you know, hey, sorry, we

00:21:46.580 bump you to Friday instead of

00:21:48.340 Tuesday.

00:21:48.760 You know, that's how it works.

00:21:49.420 But there was none of that.

00:21:50.420 So I knew it was going on.

00:21:51.420 And I also knew from sources

00:21:52.740 that people still work at Fox

00:21:54.580 that they were forbidden from

00:21:56.780 saying the name Tucker on air.

00:21:57.960 And it's not like I knew they

00:21:59.040 wouldn't plug my book, you

00:22:00.000 know, but I figured I would

00:22:01.640 still go on Fox.

00:22:02.180 I was asked before I

00:22:03.880 announced the book, the week

00:22:05.680 that they took Chuck Tucker

00:22:06.540 show off the air, I was asked

00:22:07.820 to come on that replacement

00:22:08.860 show three times.

00:22:10.300 And I politely declined, even

00:22:12.680 though I really I really like

00:22:13.700 all the people who work there.

00:22:14.640 Like, you know, I really like

00:22:15.920 the bookers and the producers,

00:22:16.940 but I declined because it felt

00:22:18.480 dirty.

00:22:18.880 And I just didn't feel good

00:22:20.740 going on that show.

00:22:21.540 And especially.

00:22:22.060 I agree.

00:22:22.140 You know, yeah, but I figured I'd

00:22:25.620 still go on Gutfeld because I had

00:22:26.780 a relationship with them and I

00:22:28.120 wouldn't I'd be polite and

00:22:29.160 respectful.

00:22:29.740 I wouldn't mention the Tucker

00:22:30.660 book and because I knew they

00:22:32.180 wouldn't like that.

00:22:33.180 But I was pulled off.

00:22:34.060 And and, you know, and when

00:22:35.560 then when I when I just tweeted

00:22:37.420 about it, because I thought

00:22:38.260 people just know that this is

00:22:39.640 how silly this is.

00:22:41.400 Gutfeld blocked me on Twitter.

00:22:43.400 I couldn't believe it.

00:22:44.760 I'm surprised.

00:22:47.180 Well, there you have it.

00:22:48.880 Wow.

00:22:49.940 You know, it's a lot of news

00:22:52.420 personalities are very thin

00:22:53.520 skinned.

00:22:53.800 I didn't definitely do not.

00:22:55.220 I don't think Greg Gutfeld is

00:22:56.480 one of them, but who knows

00:22:57.380 what's behind all of that?

00:22:58.660 Let me ask you this.

00:22:59.740 You did come out with reporting

00:23:01.260 that.

00:23:02.380 On the reason for Tucker's

00:23:04.200 termination, and you said that

00:23:05.640 you had sources who told you

00:23:08.320 that this really was about

00:23:10.480 dominion, that there was a deal

00:23:12.440 with dominion to pull him off

00:23:14.820 the off the air.

00:23:15.720 And we've talked about this

00:23:16.600 before on the show on how

00:23:17.660 dominions to denials that we

00:23:19.040 have found that that was

00:23:20.940 true are very carefully

00:23:22.700 worded.

00:23:23.580 They speak about dominion

00:23:25.000 never insisted that Tucker

00:23:27.340 be fired.

00:23:28.460 They never demanded that

00:23:30.100 Tucker be fired, but they

00:23:31.180 don't answer the question.

00:23:32.620 Well, was it a deal term?

00:23:33.600 Was it volunteered?

00:23:34.600 Did you ask as a question?

00:23:36.220 And then the answer was, yes,

00:23:37.380 it's very it leaves open a

00:23:39.340 whole other host of

00:23:40.180 possibilities that this did

00:23:41.780 wind up as a deal term, if

00:23:43.300 not in writing, then, you

00:23:44.360 know, by oral agreement.

00:23:45.620 So what do you know on it?

00:23:47.340 Well, I also agree with you.

00:23:48.380 The word insist is interesting,

00:23:49.580 but also the word fired.

00:23:50.980 He's not fired.

00:23:52.080 He's still an employee of Fox

00:23:53.180 News.

00:23:54.300 And so so this is what

00:23:55.860 sources told me.

00:23:56.740 And, you know, Dominions,

00:23:57.440 obviously, we just said that

00:23:58.440 denied it.

00:23:58.920 And Fox has denied it and

00:24:00.040 said, you know, under no

00:24:01.220 certain terms.

00:24:01.900 Is this the case?

00:24:03.720 I was the people who told me

00:24:05.160 this have never misled me

00:24:06.560 before.

00:24:06.880 I don't think they have any

00:24:07.560 reason to lie.

00:24:08.880 And I feel like.

00:24:09.440 And would they be in a

00:24:09.960 position to know, Chadwick?

00:24:11.240 I feel like they would

00:24:12.180 absolutely be in a position

00:24:13.060 to know.

00:24:13.660 But, you know, that's not to

00:24:14.700 say this is just I was

00:24:15.960 reporting what I was told.

00:24:17.980 And if that's not I think

00:24:18.840 it's certain that the

00:24:20.300 Dominion situation was the

00:24:21.880 reason for this.

00:24:22.560 Now, whether it was a

00:24:23.200 condition, which is what I

00:24:24.780 was told, I I've never seen

00:24:26.460 any paperwork.

00:24:26.900 I don't know.

00:24:27.780 But I feel like those people

00:24:29.200 would be in a position to

00:24:30.000 know.

00:24:30.580 Or the other theory that I

00:24:32.840 all that, you know, if

00:24:34.200 if my sources had not told

00:24:35.680 me this, the theory I would

00:24:36.860 have gone with would have

00:24:37.920 been simply Fox is trying

00:24:39.160 to make an example and

00:24:40.520 they're trying to get

00:24:41.080 everyone in line.

00:24:41.820 And they were saying, we're

00:24:43.000 going to pull this guy off

00:24:43.660 the air to show you everyone

00:24:44.680 else needs to get in line

00:24:45.320 because he obviously did not

00:24:46.520 push any of these these

00:24:48.100 theories that the voting

00:24:48.920 machines were rigged.

00:24:50.000 I mean, he actually

00:24:50.460 pushed back against it.

00:24:51.980 Yeah.

00:24:52.100 When Sidney Powell came on

00:24:53.040 his show, he kind of

00:24:53.880 humiliated her.

00:24:54.580 And it was very clear that

00:24:55.680 he wasn't buying.

00:24:57.240 I don't think she went on.

00:24:58.600 He just he just did a

00:24:59.660 talking points memo

00:25:00.480 eviscerating her saying she

00:25:01.980 was a liar.

00:25:03.940 Yeah, he what there are

00:25:05.020 other people on Fox who

00:25:05.940 definitely pushed this

00:25:07.080 theory and they are

00:25:09.200 still there.

00:25:09.820 So what I would have

00:25:11.620 thought had happened

00:25:12.400 would be that simply Fox

00:25:14.300 wanted to make an example

00:25:15.100 out of him.

00:25:15.780 And and then being as

00:25:17.600 arrogant as they are

00:25:18.540 thinking they'll recover.

00:25:19.580 It's no different than

00:25:20.320 when anyone else has left.

00:25:21.300 We'll be fine.

00:25:22.000 We're Fox.

00:25:23.300 The interesting thing now

00:25:24.780 is that so much has

00:25:25.940 changed.

00:25:26.260 So I think that Fox felt

00:25:27.700 comfortable because I

00:25:29.200 left.

00:25:29.760 They didn't have a ratings

00:25:30.680 dip.

00:25:31.720 Bill O'Reilly left first

00:25:33.200 year of the Trump

00:25:33.660 administration.

00:25:34.080 They didn't have a ratings

00:25:34.880 dip.

00:25:35.260 And I would suggest

00:25:36.420 those situations are very

00:25:37.960 different than this one.

00:25:38.880 I left voluntarily.

00:25:39.900 No one's going to hold

00:25:40.760 that against Fox.

00:25:41.960 And then they quickly

00:25:43.180 replaced my time slot

00:25:44.840 with at first the five,

00:25:45.980 which didn't work.

00:25:46.760 But ultimately,

00:25:47.780 Tucker went there

00:25:48.600 and then he moved to the

00:25:49.840 APM once Bill left.

00:25:51.820 And and so they they

00:25:52.920 chose well.

00:25:53.760 Right.

00:25:53.920 But it was during the

00:25:54.580 Trump administration.

00:25:55.420 The O'Reilly thing is

00:25:56.180 different because they

00:25:56.700 fired him.

00:25:57.800 But it was right during

00:25:58.740 Trump.

00:25:59.160 It was in the during the

00:25:59.860 height of Trump.

00:26:00.580 And they had that cushion.

00:26:01.900 They had the ratings gift

00:26:03.080 of Donald Trump.

00:26:04.600 I mean, for the love of

00:26:05.500 God, CNN's ratings were

00:26:06.620 high.

00:26:07.300 Like that was the power

00:26:08.760 of Trump.

00:26:09.800 Now they're in a very

00:26:11.160 different place.

00:26:12.360 And the one interesting

00:26:14.320 guy they really had with

00:26:15.820 all due respect to the

00:26:16.560 other personalities and

00:26:17.380 Tucker's just the

00:26:17.980 unicorn.

00:26:19.500 The one interesting guy

00:26:20.660 they had, they turfed

00:26:21.540 and the viewership

00:26:23.320 has disappeared.

00:26:25.720 It's they've lost a

00:26:27.020 million viewers.

00:26:27.900 And it's some have gone

00:26:29.800 to Newsmax, but not

00:26:31.460 all.

00:26:32.360 Most, I think, have come

00:26:33.360 over into the digital

00:26:34.480 lane and now are

00:26:36.620 ungettable.

00:26:37.480 They're not going back

00:26:38.540 to Fox.

00:26:39.720 Fox is Bud Light.

00:26:40.980 It's embarrassing to

00:26:41.800 watch them.

00:26:42.220 They feel betrayed and

00:26:43.580 like they don't like their

00:26:44.580 audience.

00:26:45.000 And on top of that, a lot

00:26:46.940 of people hadn't even

00:26:47.660 discovered podcasting or

00:26:50.280 digital media as a

00:26:51.560 source of especially older

00:26:52.620 people.

00:26:53.320 And now they have.

00:26:54.420 They were forced over

00:26:55.480 into this lane.

00:26:55.960 And once you forced over

00:26:56.820 here, you're really

00:26:57.780 enjoying.

00:26:58.380 It's a totally different

00:26:59.080 way and fun and better

00:27:00.240 way of consuming your

00:27:00.980 news.

00:27:02.780 Yeah, completely.

00:27:03.820 I agree.

00:27:04.640 And and very good point

00:27:06.200 too.

00:27:07.000 And yeah, the

00:27:07.720 circumstances of your

00:27:08.900 departure, you couldn't

00:27:09.800 really be mad at Fox for

00:27:10.760 that.

00:27:11.120 And Bill O'Reilly, there

00:27:12.140 was, you know, the the

00:27:13.560 scandals that that had

00:27:16.140 surfaced.

00:27:16.720 So but with Tucker, it

00:27:18.020 was so I mean, everyone

00:27:19.000 always thought I think

00:27:19.780 everyone always knew he

00:27:20.880 would be taken off

00:27:21.440 eventually because people

00:27:22.780 watch the show and say

00:27:23.640 there's no way they're

00:27:24.720 going to keep letting

00:27:25.200 him say every night.

00:27:25.900 When he appeared, people

00:27:26.560 would be like, I can't

00:27:27.060 believe they still let

00:27:27.720 him talk.

00:27:28.280 That's true.

00:27:28.740 I think that people

00:27:29.320 mostly mostly everyone

00:27:30.640 felt that that it would

00:27:31.680 be content related.

00:27:32.600 There'd be one show where

00:27:33.540 he said like that one

00:27:35.020 thing you can't say and

00:27:36.040 then he'd be gone.

00:27:36.980 I think that's what

00:27:37.460 everyone thought would

00:27:38.640 happen.

00:27:39.100 And so because the

00:27:39.920 circumstances are so

00:27:41.320 mysterious and so shady

00:27:42.440 and they still not giving

00:27:43.820 him a reason, you know,

00:27:45.260 Tucker told me that the

00:27:46.320 morning that his show

00:27:47.720 was taken off the air,

00:27:48.600 April 24th, Suzanne

00:27:49.940 Scott just called him up.

00:27:51.420 It was the six year

00:27:52.340 anniversary of his show

00:27:53.360 moving into the 8 p.m.

00:27:54.740 time slot.

00:27:55.560 His phone rang.

00:27:56.400 He thought he was calling

00:27:57.380 to she was calling to

00:27:58.580 congratulate him on this

00:27:59.460 anniversary.

00:28:00.400 And she just said, we're

00:28:01.600 taking your show off the

00:28:02.440 air.

00:28:02.760 Thank you very much.

00:28:03.500 Goodbye.

00:28:04.360 And at the same time, two

00:28:05.320 other executives were

00:28:06.080 calling Justin Wells, his

00:28:07.240 executive producer, with the

00:28:08.800 same thing in this kind of

00:28:09.740 coordinated hit.

00:28:10.740 And that was it.

00:28:11.400 That was he got no

00:28:12.520 explanation or anything of

00:28:13.660 the sort directly from Fox.

00:28:15.080 I mean, to say that it's rude

00:28:17.880 is a gross understatement.

00:28:19.960 It was just all thanks for

00:28:21.500 your loyal years of service.

00:28:23.100 Get the F out.

00:28:24.500 Last question.

00:28:25.260 What's what's happening now

00:28:26.580 is like I don't believe that

00:28:28.800 the 11 minute submission is

00:28:30.480 the new Tucker Carlson show.

00:28:32.660 I mean, I think he's got more

00:28:33.540 in store for us.

00:28:34.460 That was just an initial sort

00:28:35.580 of offering that had a little

00:28:37.320 bit more substance than his

00:28:38.820 earlier post that was just

00:28:40.180 sort of like, hey, I'm still

00:28:40.940 here.

00:28:41.760 So what do you think what is

00:28:42.540 happening?

00:28:42.820 What should we make of the

00:28:43.620 fact that this video dropped

00:28:45.000 and what's Tucker likely to

00:28:46.760 do next?

00:28:49.060 Well, I know a lot of his

00:28:50.120 team, he had about 25 people

00:28:51.460 at Fox working on his three

00:28:52.920 shows, two on Fox Nation and

00:28:54.780 the one on Fox News, and a

00:28:56.840 lot of those people left with

00:28:58.100 him and some who are still at

00:28:59.460 Fox are trying to get out of

00:29:00.340 their contracts to join him.

00:29:02.160 They a lot of them went up to

00:29:03.200 Maine to start rebuilding his

00:29:04.320 studio after Fox dismantled it.

00:29:06.160 We saw that in the in the news

00:29:07.520 and my Tucker hasn't told me

00:29:11.440 this, but some of the

00:29:12.800 people work for him have

00:29:13.860 told me they have ambitions

00:29:14.940 to launch his own network

00:29:16.140 similar to I guess what

00:29:17.180 Glenn Beck did with the

00:29:18.160 Blaze or Daily Wire.

00:29:20.020 That was something that was

00:29:21.480 in sort of common knowledge

00:29:23.120 in Fox a few years ago that

00:29:25.060 they were talking about

00:29:25.680 launching a network through

00:29:26.540 Fox and then Fox said, no,

00:29:28.180 no, no, we want to put you

00:29:28.960 give you two shows on Fox

00:29:30.080 Nation.

00:29:30.500 That's the future.

00:29:31.160 So they kind of missed out

00:29:31.860 on that one.

00:29:33.000 So I imagine that that might

00:29:36.120 be something that they're

00:29:37.220 working towards, but I don't

00:29:39.520 know for sure directly from

00:29:40.860 Tucker.

00:29:41.920 Fox believes it cannot have

00:29:44.240 Tucker competing against

00:29:45.680 them.

00:29:46.580 That is one of those facts

00:29:47.820 they should have thought

00:29:48.940 about a couple of months

00:29:49.880 ago.

00:29:50.840 Yeah.

00:29:51.600 Shattering.

00:29:52.040 All right.

00:29:52.200 So the book's available right

00:29:53.400 now for preorder, right?

00:29:54.320 It's just called Tucker.

00:29:55.580 That's right.

00:29:56.200 Yeah.

00:29:56.380 You go to Tucker, the book

00:29:57.240 dot com to find out more

00:29:58.400 anywhere you get books.

00:29:59.300 You can preorder it.

00:30:00.180 It comes out July 18th.

00:30:02.020 Look, even before this, he's

00:30:03.640 a fascinating figure, a

00:30:05.160 longtime friend.

00:30:06.060 And I'm really glad you did

00:30:07.000 this piece.

00:30:07.500 There have been so many hit

00:30:08.260 pieces on Tucker.

00:30:09.280 He genuinely is despised by

00:30:11.320 many on the left based on a

00:30:12.660 bunch of misinformation.

00:30:13.920 Not all.

00:30:14.640 Some of his positions are

00:30:15.640 controversial and you may

00:30:16.460 choose not to like him, but

00:30:17.640 you can't deny the guy is

00:30:18.740 absolutely fascinating.

00:30:20.240 Thank you so much for

00:30:21.040 writing the book and for

00:30:21.660 coming on.

00:30:22.680 Oh, thank you so much.

00:30:23.480 It was such a pleasure.

00:30:24.880 Likewise.

00:30:25.480 All right.

00:30:25.660 And we're going to be right

00:30:26.200 back with whether Prince

00:30:28.220 Harry might get the boot

00:30:29.740 from America for having not

00:30:32.580 crossed the right T's and

00:30:33.920 dotted the right I's in

00:30:35.860 trying to get into this

00:30:36.640 country in the first place.

00:30:37.620 Fascinating look at his

00:30:39.160 immigration history with

00:30:40.320 Nile Gardner.

00:30:44.480 Did someone in the U.S.

00:30:45.940 government give Prince Harry

00:30:47.340 preferential treatment when

00:30:49.260 he decided to move to

00:30:50.640 America?

00:30:51.500 You know, this guy does not

00:30:52.240 think the rules apply to

00:30:53.180 him.

00:30:53.740 The question is whether we

00:30:54.860 agreed our immigration

00:30:56.200 officials.

00:30:57.460 That is the question at the

00:30:58.280 heart of a new legal

00:30:59.540 challenge trying to see

00:31:00.960 those documents.

00:31:02.400 Joining me now, Nile

00:31:03.340 Gardner, director of the

00:31:04.720 Margaret Thatcher Center

00:31:05.840 for Freedom at the

00:31:06.880 Heritage Foundation, the

00:31:08.460 organization that is

00:31:09.740 rightfully demanding

00:31:10.720 answers from U.S.

00:31:12.440 immigration authorities.

00:31:14.080 Nile, welcome to the

00:31:14.640 show.

00:31:14.840 Great to see you.

00:31:15.980 Great to see you, Megan.

00:31:16.960 Many thanks for having me

00:31:18.540 on the show today.

00:31:19.820 Of course.

00:31:20.320 All right.

00:31:20.520 So explain to the audience

00:31:21.660 what it is you guys are

00:31:23.640 trying to get from our

00:31:24.940 immigration officials.

00:31:26.380 So the Heritage Foundation

00:31:27.320 is calling for the release

00:31:29.480 of Prince Harry's

00:31:30.880 immigration records.

00:31:32.840 and we have sued the

00:31:35.380 Department of Homeland

00:31:36.340 Security for the release of

00:31:38.520 those records.

00:31:39.780 We believe there is a very

00:31:40.860 clear public interest in the

00:31:43.400 release of Prince Harry's

00:31:45.540 application to reside in the

00:31:47.300 United States.

00:31:48.800 After all, he admitted to

00:31:50.020 widespread and extensive drug

00:31:52.520 use in his memoir, Spare, a

00:31:55.100 bestselling book on both sides

00:31:56.440 of the Atlantic, selling a huge

00:31:58.200 number of copies.

00:31:58.920 And he talks in detail in Spare

00:32:00.940 about very extensive

00:32:02.640 illegal drug use.

00:32:04.640 And we want to establish

00:32:06.380 whether or not Prince Harry

00:32:07.460 was honest in his

00:32:08.980 immigration application.

00:32:10.840 After all, the penalties are

00:32:11.960 extremely severe if he was

00:32:14.340 lying at all in his

00:32:16.000 application.

00:32:16.500 After all, that would be

00:32:17.120 perjury, a criminal

00:32:18.120 offence.

00:32:19.040 So we want to know whether or

00:32:20.600 not Harry was completely

00:32:21.520 honest in his application,

00:32:22.660 but also whether or not he

00:32:24.500 received any kind of

00:32:26.140 preferential treatment in terms

00:32:28.640 of his application to the

00:32:30.660 United States and whether

00:32:32.360 senior U.S.

00:32:33.540 officials were involved in

00:32:35.940 fast-tracking his application

00:32:38.300 and whether or not they

00:32:40.700 turned a blind eye to his

00:32:42.360 extensive drug use.

00:32:44.140 Because, Niall, explain to

00:32:45.920 the audience, because if he,

00:32:47.580 if there's an issue about

00:32:49.340 drug use, people may be

00:32:50.220 wondering why you're

00:32:50.980 referencing his admissions

00:32:52.080 about drug use.

00:32:53.080 There is an issue for visa

00:32:54.500 applicants when it comes to

00:32:56.160 prior drug use.

00:32:57.120 Absolutely.

00:32:59.760 So when a foreign national

00:33:03.180 applies for a U.S.

00:33:04.740 visa, they are asked whether

00:33:06.880 or not they have used drugs

00:33:07.940 in the past.

00:33:08.960 If they say yes, they then

00:33:10.680 have to fill out a more

00:33:12.560 detailed questionnaire, answer

00:33:14.260 further questions.

00:33:15.100 In some cases, individuals

00:33:16.160 are interviewed by U.S.

00:33:17.160 officials.

00:33:18.620 And so the United States is

00:33:20.420 very strict in terms of

00:33:23.060 applicants for U.S.

00:33:25.940 visas stipulating clearly

00:33:28.920 whether or not they've used

00:33:30.400 drugs.

00:33:30.740 And if so, they then have to

00:33:32.280 outline in detail their drug

00:33:33.680 use.

00:33:34.300 And so the rules are very,

00:33:35.840 very strict.

00:33:36.980 In many cases, individuals

00:33:38.380 are refused entry to the

00:33:39.840 United States based upon

00:33:40.940 their drug use.

00:33:41.680 And that's happened in a

00:33:42.760 number of high-profile cases

00:33:44.440 involving British

00:33:45.880 celebrities in the past.

00:33:47.800 And so Harry has admitted

00:33:50.760 to extremely extensive

00:33:53.780 drug use involving a large

00:33:57.700 number of illegal substances.

00:33:59.640 And therefore, his application

00:34:02.000 should have received a great

00:34:04.680 deal of scrutiny by U.S.

00:34:06.440 immigration officials.

00:34:08.740 And I would say in many cases

00:34:11.020 like Harry's, those individuals

00:34:13.700 have been denied entry to the

00:34:15.600 United States.

00:34:16.600 Right.

00:34:17.040 There is a record of that, of

00:34:18.660 other people being told, no,

00:34:20.540 you're a drug abuser.

00:34:21.480 Yes.

00:34:21.860 Or you've had that in your past.

00:34:23.280 You're not coming in the U.S.

00:34:24.640 Some may think it's an

00:34:25.600 antiquated rule, but it is a

00:34:27.080 rule that has been enforced

00:34:28.880 repeatedly, even against some

00:34:30.640 public figures.

00:34:32.080 Now, the New York Post reports

00:34:33.380 that sources close to Harry say

00:34:35.680 he answered the questions on his

00:34:37.280 application seeking a U.S.

00:34:38.740 visa truthfully.

00:34:40.620 Now, if that is true, then he

00:34:42.500 would have admitted to the prior

00:34:43.620 drug use, and if the documents

00:34:45.500 show that, where does that

00:34:47.520 leave us?

00:34:49.740 Yeah, so that's a very good

00:34:52.040 point there.

00:34:52.740 And I think one newspaper

00:34:54.080 article in the U.K.

00:34:55.440 referenced a source close to

00:34:57.260 Harry who claimed that Harry

00:34:58.520 had been honest and truthful

00:35:01.440 in terms of his application.

00:35:04.400 If that is the case, then, of

00:35:06.180 course, Harry should fully

00:35:08.240 support the release of his

00:35:10.520 immigration records.

00:35:11.480 We've heard nothing at all, of

00:35:14.360 course, from Harry's camp with

00:35:15.460 regard to the immigration

00:35:16.840 issue.

00:35:18.820 And if Harry has nothing to

00:35:20.520 hide, he should fully support

00:35:22.280 the release of those documents.

00:35:24.200 But even if he was honest and

00:35:26.680 truthful, there's also the issue

00:35:28.000 of whether he received some kind

00:35:31.440 of preferential treatment by U.S.

00:35:34.660 officials.

00:35:35.220 That's another matter as well that

00:35:36.800 we want to really look into.

00:35:38.920 We believe the U.S.

00:35:39.820 public has the right to see

00:35:42.180 those immigration records.

00:35:45.440 Harry, after all, is one of the

00:35:46.300 most famous individuals in the

00:35:48.240 world.

00:35:49.020 He is a household name now in the

00:35:50.560 United States.

00:35:51.160 He's a huge public figure.

00:35:53.260 There's a public interest, I think,

00:35:54.500 in establishing exactly what was on

00:35:56.580 the immigration application, but

00:35:58.220 also who intervened on his behalf

00:36:00.680 in terms of U.S.

00:36:02.560 government officials.

00:36:04.200 It appears as though his visa was

00:36:06.340 fast-tracked.

00:36:07.920 Now, many people applying to the

00:36:10.160 United States have to wait an

00:36:12.420 extremely long time to have their

00:36:13.960 application approved, in some cases

00:36:16.060 many years.

00:36:17.480 But Harry seemed to sail through the

00:36:19.280 process.

00:36:19.840 So there's also the issue of whether

00:36:23.060 or not U.S.

00:36:24.080 officials directly intervened to give

00:36:27.580 him preferential treatment, which

00:36:28.920 would be absolutely wrong.

00:36:30.460 Everyone should be treated equally and

00:36:32.160 fairly.

00:36:32.280 How is any of this influenced by the

00:36:33.700 fact that he's married to an

00:36:34.680 American?

00:36:37.020 Yeah.

00:36:37.420 So, of course, Harry's married to

00:36:40.080 American citizen Meghan Markle.

00:36:42.520 That should not make any difference,

00:36:44.200 actually, in terms of the scrutiny for

00:36:47.900 his application.

00:36:50.240 There is a strong possibility, of

00:36:51.860 course, that Harry may seek at some

00:36:54.700 stage to apply for a green card,

00:36:57.680 eventually possibly U.S.

00:36:59.500 citizenship as well.

00:37:01.340 Without a shadow of doubt, I think

00:37:02.880 the scrutiny that is being given to

00:37:04.900 Harry's immigration records right

00:37:08.120 now and his background of drug use

00:37:11.180 will certainly, I think, be a

00:37:14.780 complicating factor for any future

00:37:17.560 application by Prince Harry for a

00:37:19.460 green card and for citizenship.

00:37:21.180 What if he doesn't get it?

00:37:21.440 So the stakes are certainly very high

00:37:23.640 here.

00:37:24.420 What if he did lie?

00:37:25.440 If he did lie, does the visa get

00:37:27.800 revoked?

00:37:28.800 And is there a scenario in which he

00:37:30.100 gets kicked out and sent back to

00:37:32.420 England, which is where most of us

00:37:33.760 would like both of them to go?

00:37:36.160 That's a very good question, Meghan.

00:37:38.140 And if he did lie on his application,

00:37:40.320 that would be perjury, a criminal

00:37:42.800 offense.

00:37:43.640 Now, normally in these circumstances,

00:37:45.920 individuals involved are asked to

00:37:48.460 leave the United States.

00:37:50.740 And so I think that would happen in the

00:37:52.980 case of Prince Harry.

00:37:54.880 There would also be immense, I think,

00:37:57.300 public scrutiny of his immigration

00:38:01.360 application if it was released.

00:38:03.420 And I think there would be intense media

00:38:05.360 interest.

00:38:06.520 I think that US officials certainly would

00:38:09.500 have to take action here.

00:38:11.960 And undoubtedly, I do think that Harry's

00:38:15.260 position in the United States would be

00:38:17.660 absolutely untenable if it was revealed

00:38:19.820 that he had lied on an immigration

00:38:21.840 application.

00:38:23.580 And most likely, I think, that he would

00:38:27.780 actually seek to go to a country like

00:38:30.820 Canada, for example.

00:38:31.780 He is hugely unpopular in the United

00:38:33.380 Kingdom.

00:38:35.060 Harry and Meghan are two of the most

00:38:36.920 deeply unpopular figures in the UK

00:38:38.840 right now.

00:38:39.820 I think it's highly unlikely that he would

00:38:41.500 seek to return to the United Kingdom.

00:38:45.020 A more likely destination, I think, would

00:38:46.720 be Canada or somewhere in Europe,

00:38:49.820 I mean, he is suing, by my count, at least

00:38:53.300 six different entities or has at least six

00:38:55.880 different lawsuits going in many claiming

00:38:58.620 he's the victim of somebody else's

00:39:00.580 dishonest reporting.

00:39:02.240 You know, he goes after the media every

00:39:04.000 other day.

00:39:04.660 Yes.

00:39:05.040 Or it's alleged dishonest reporting.

00:39:07.220 So if he lied on his application to come

00:39:10.320 into this country, it's a deal.

00:39:11.880 It is important to know.

00:39:13.680 And I wouldn't put it past him for one

00:39:15.220 second.

00:39:15.640 I mean, maybe he'll try to wiggle out of

00:39:17.280 it by saying the wording of the visa allowed

00:39:19.980 him some wiggle room on what he said.

00:39:22.660 But I would be shocked if he actually

00:39:24.340 admitted his prior drug use on his visa

00:39:26.600 application.

00:39:27.060 And I feel like, Niall, you tell me, this

00:39:29.520 is why DHS is so reluctant to give you the

00:39:32.440 document.

00:39:32.980 You've petitioned for it.

00:39:34.260 They've stonewalled you.

00:39:35.480 That's why you're filing this lawsuit saying

00:39:37.400 it's a matter of public interest.

00:39:39.180 Now, normally they might drag their heels

00:39:41.420 on that if it were just a regular old private

00:39:43.300 Joe, but this is a guy who's out there bragging

00:39:46.460 about all of this.

00:39:47.620 He's made it public.

00:39:48.680 So the confidentiality argument should go out

00:39:50.420 the window.

00:39:51.260 So why do you think DHS is stonewalling you?

00:39:55.100 Yeah, great, great points there, Megan.

00:39:56.940 And yes, absolutely.

00:39:59.460 DHS, the Biden administration, is stonewalling

00:40:02.440 this request, which is why we have gone to

00:40:06.440 federal court.

00:40:07.300 In fact, there was a hearing earlier this week

00:40:09.220 presided over by a federal judge to discuss the

00:40:12.100 freedom of information request and our call for

00:40:16.320 expedited processing of it.

00:40:18.500 And the federal judge demanded of DHS that they

00:40:22.180 actually, within seven days, get back to him

00:40:24.740 outlining whether or not they're going to release

00:40:27.420 Harry's immigration records.

00:40:29.180 So this is a matter that is being taken very

00:40:31.780 seriously at a very high level.

00:40:34.220 And you have a federal judge now weighing in on

00:40:36.680 this.

00:40:37.200 And it's no surprise, of course, the Biden

00:40:38.900 administration is stonewalling.

00:40:40.180 They don't want to release the records.

00:40:44.420 Potentially, there is embarrassing information

00:40:46.600 contained in those records.

00:40:47.960 And this stonewalling from the Biden administration

00:40:50.600 is absolutely unacceptable.

00:40:52.040 It's outrageous.

00:40:53.480 The American people have a right to know clearly

00:40:56.320 what's in Harry's immigration records.

00:40:58.780 He is a huge public figure.

00:41:01.700 In fact, he has become one of the most well-known

00:41:03.860 individuals in the United States today.

00:41:05.760 So there's a very clear public interest.

00:41:09.500 And the refusal so far of the Biden administration

00:41:13.300 to release Harry's documents, I think, is an

00:41:15.340 absolute travesty.

00:41:16.920 It is an insult, actually, I think, to the American

00:41:19.680 people.

00:41:19.860 Let's see it.

00:41:20.680 If Harry has nothing to hide, if he has nothing

00:41:21.400 to hide, he should be calling for it to be released.

00:41:23.360 He should say, go ahead and take a look at it.

00:41:24.500 Absolutely, 100%.

00:41:24.880 I have no problem with that.

00:41:27.120 I mean, we pointed out how other people have been denied.

00:41:29.920 Kate Moss, Kate Moss, the famous model,

00:41:32.100 had difficulty getting a U.S. work visa

00:41:33.980 after she appeared in the tabloids

00:41:36.040 chopping and snorting a white powder.

00:41:38.860 Harry has admitted this isn't just occasional,

00:41:40.940 you know, weed smoking, although that's also

00:41:44.140 been admitted to by him.

00:41:45.580 He's admitted to using hard drugs in his memoir

00:41:49.100 and on his media tour.

00:41:50.460 Yeah, absolutely.

00:41:54.020 Harry has admitted to very extensive use of illegal

00:41:59.220 hard drugs in the United Kingdom, but also he's admitted

00:42:02.500 to drug use in the United States.

00:42:03.960 And in fact, he has, in fact, endorsed the use of some

00:42:08.140 kinds of drugs, actually, for therapeutic reasons.

00:42:12.560 And so it's all there in his book and also in his interviews as well.

00:42:21.380 It's all on public record here.

00:42:24.200 And Prince Harry should be held to account.

00:42:27.360 The United States government should be held to account

00:42:29.860 for not releasing the records.

00:42:32.720 And this is a matter of major public interest.

00:42:35.880 And also it should be pointed out, I think, Megan,

00:42:39.420 that Prince Harry has become a major public figure

00:42:44.420 in the United States and actively involved

00:42:47.100 on a number of causes.

00:42:48.940 He's given some big speeches.

00:42:50.700 He's given a large number of very high profile media interviews.

00:42:55.060 You don't understand him.

00:42:56.040 He wants his privacy.

00:42:57.320 He was made to do those things.

00:42:59.160 What he really wants is a private life away from the glare

00:43:02.500 and glitter of the cameras.

00:43:03.900 All right, wait, I've got to ask you about this other lawsuit

00:43:06.860 he's involved in.

00:43:07.740 So he's he's filed several.

00:43:09.160 You filed this one, but he's filed several.

00:43:10.940 And what this one over in the UK, he was on the witness stand

00:43:14.440 all week testifying about except for Monday

00:43:16.840 because he missed the opening arguments

00:43:18.980 because he wanted to be at Lilibet's birthday party,

00:43:22.160 even though the judge had said, be here.

00:43:23.560 And the judge was none too happy because the rules

00:43:25.220 don't apply to him.

00:43:25.920 You see, in any event, he's claiming that this

00:43:28.700 this group, the Mirror, that publication in the UK

00:43:32.940 did things like phone hacking to him.

00:43:35.900 But he has, as far as I can tell, very little proof.

00:43:38.260 They've admitted that they did one untoward thing one time

00:43:40.600 with respect to him and they've apologized.

00:43:42.700 But he has not been able to prove that his phones were hacked.

00:43:46.900 He just keeps saying, I had weird missed voicemails

00:43:49.440 or missed calls, like lots of missed calls on my phone

00:43:52.540 and voicemails that it looked like somebody had already listened to.

00:43:55.540 They didn't have the like new dot on them.

00:43:57.740 I mean, that's not proof, unfortunately, for Harry.

00:43:59.500 So we'll see how that goes.

00:44:01.100 But here's what I wanted to ask you about.

00:44:02.400 In that litigation, he comes out, Niall,

00:44:05.260 and he blames all of his problems.

00:44:08.200 I mean, all of them on the media.

00:44:10.320 He actually said in his quote, they could say he submitted

00:44:13.160 his testimony, but he did it in writing the direct exam,

00:44:15.900 the cross exam is live.

00:44:17.660 And he said in his witness statement,

00:44:19.820 during his adolescence and young adulthood,

00:44:21.840 the tabloids, the evil tabloids cast him in a role.

00:44:25.080 The thicko, the cheat, the underage drinker,

00:44:27.620 the irresponsible drug taker.

00:44:30.040 I ended up feeling as though I was playing up

00:44:32.760 to a lot of the headlines and the stereotypes

00:44:35.140 that they wanted to pin on me,

00:44:37.320 mainly because I thought that if they are printing this rubbish about me

00:44:39.920 and people were believing it,

00:44:41.380 I may as well do the crime, so to speak.

00:44:43.760 He takes responsibility for absolutely nothing.

00:44:49.820 Yeah, precisely.

00:44:51.440 And I closely follow the court proceedings in London this week.

00:44:55.520 And Harry comes across as someone who has no sense

00:45:01.160 of personal responsibility at all.

00:45:03.480 He comes across as basically a hugely entitled figure,

00:45:08.720 extremely narcissistic, I think, in many respects,

00:45:11.940 but also delusional and paranoid.

00:45:14.060 And I think that his evidence this week

00:45:18.580 and his overall approach to the hearings

00:45:21.080 has been a disaster for Harry, actually.

00:45:26.180 And I think the British public have been monumentally unimpressed

00:45:29.480 with his performance this week

00:45:31.980 and are turning even further against him.

00:45:34.940 This is an individual who I think has real delusions of grandeur.

00:45:42.720 And the same is the case, of course, with Meghan Markle as well.

00:45:46.740 And the level of paranoid delusion and narcissism

00:45:51.940 that we saw on display in the High Court this week

00:45:54.620 was absolutely staggering,

00:45:56.120 even by the standards of Prince Harry here.

00:45:58.580 And he has very little chance, I think,

00:46:02.320 of winning this case against the Mirror Group newspapers.

00:46:05.180 He has no firm evidence whatsoever.

00:46:09.420 And I think that his appearance in court this week

00:46:15.100 was an absolute disaster, I think, in many respects.

00:46:18.860 He didn't even show up on the first day, as you pointed out.

00:46:21.580 And he came across as incredibly arrogant, actually.

00:46:24.940 And that's something I think the British public

00:46:26.400 really don't like at all.

00:46:29.300 And Harry has become, I think,

00:46:31.220 one of the most unpopular public figures

00:46:33.340 in the UK of the modern era.

00:46:35.800 And that's saying a lot.

00:46:37.580 Well, here's the thing.

00:46:38.400 I mean, he spent the past six months

00:46:40.380 in his Netflix show, in his memoir spare,

00:46:44.200 in his interviews, telling us the royal family

00:46:46.500 was responsible for all the terrible leaks about him.

00:46:48.840 The royal family was out to get him and the palace aides.

00:46:51.820 And now he's in court saying,

00:46:53.420 oh, you know what?

00:46:54.060 I might have been wrong about some of the things

00:46:55.480 I put in my book.

00:46:56.400 It's actually the evil tabloids.

00:46:58.420 So which is it?

00:46:59.580 Was it the royal family was out to get you

00:47:01.400 or the tabloids were out to get you?

00:47:03.920 Because he seems to have blame for everyone

00:47:05.900 other than himself.

00:47:07.040 And I'll give you just one example.

00:47:08.760 He's now claiming Piers Morgan,

00:47:10.360 who's a great, correct critic of Harry and Meghan,

00:47:14.820 that the reason Piers doesn't like them

00:47:17.820 is because Piers worked for one of these publications

00:47:22.280 back in the day.

00:47:23.200 He was editor of the Daily Mirror between 1995 and 2004.

00:47:26.920 And he accuses Piers of doing bad things.

00:47:29.880 And that all of Piers' criticism of them

00:47:32.660 is in retaliation for the fact that Harry's brought this lawsuit.

00:47:37.660 I'm looking at this thinking,

00:47:40.140 or Harry, he, like the rest of us,

00:47:42.840 just doesn't like you or your wife.

00:47:45.720 It's something you're going to have to learn

00:47:47.260 to get your arms around.

00:47:48.160 I'll give you the final word now.

00:47:50.960 Yes, I think that Harry just blames everyone else

00:47:54.380 for his own problems and issues.

00:47:57.100 And clearly he has a big vendetta against the British media,

00:48:01.660 in particular against figures like Piers Morgan.

00:48:04.120 Everything Piers Morgan, I think,

00:48:05.340 is said about Prince Harry is absolutely 100% correct.

00:48:07.960 I think also Harry has an intense hatred

00:48:10.800 for the royal family as well.

00:48:12.300 And he has used his presence in America

00:48:15.800 as a launch pad from which to attack the royal family,

00:48:19.180 the British people, the British media.

00:48:22.040 And I think it's absolutely outrageous, actually.

00:48:24.720 And I think that he is somebody with no sense

00:48:28.000 of responsibility for his own actions.

00:48:31.800 He will blame everybody else.

00:48:34.080 And Harry is only himself to blame

00:48:36.540 for everything in his life, actually.

00:48:39.740 He can sue to the cows.

00:48:42.520 He presents himself as a permanent victim.

00:48:44.920 Yeah, that's the problem.

00:48:45.760 He can sue everybody.

00:48:46.660 But the problem is his biggest enemy is inside.

00:48:49.580 And until he manages that one,

00:48:51.200 his problems aren't going away.

00:48:52.820 Niall Gardner, what a pleasure.

00:48:54.400 We'll continue to follow it.

00:48:55.340 Let us know how it works out.

00:48:56.820 I will do.

00:48:57.460 Many thanks, Megan.

00:48:58.700 All the best.

00:48:59.440 We will be right back with Dr. Miriam Grossman.

00:49:01.860 You're not going to want to miss her.

00:49:03.240 Now we're joined by someone

00:49:08.360 I have been wanting to speak with

00:49:10.200 since I saw her in Matt Walsh's

00:49:13.100 of The Daily Wire.

00:49:14.580 What is a woman film last year?

00:49:17.040 It was all this crazy nonsense

00:49:18.180 being spewed in there,

00:49:19.140 which Matt was exposing.

00:49:20.560 Then came this voice of reason.

00:49:22.180 You were like, thank God.

00:49:23.180 Who is this woman?

00:49:24.440 Well, her name is Dr. Miriam Grossman.

00:49:26.900 She's a practicing psychiatrist,

00:49:29.080 author and public speaker.

00:49:30.740 And she has provided

00:49:32.740 and continues to provide

00:49:33.940 a much needed voice of reason

00:49:35.300 in this country.

00:49:36.860 The documentary in which she appeared

00:49:38.400 now has over 180 million views on Twitter.

00:49:42.220 I should say that the view thing

00:49:43.720 is a little odd.

00:49:44.660 You basically get a view counted

00:49:46.080 if you just see it for two seconds,

00:49:48.020 you know, if it scrolls by in your timeline.

00:49:49.860 But there's no question

00:49:50.780 that the documentary

00:49:52.080 has been huge at The Daily Wire

00:49:54.060 and got even more attention

00:49:55.340 on its one year anniversary

00:49:57.000 late last week.

00:49:58.880 Here's a clip of Dr. Grossman

00:50:01.180 in the documentary.

00:50:03.500 Is there anyone willing

00:50:04.720 to give me a straight answer?

00:50:06.720 Ideally, somebody with a bunch

00:50:08.080 of medical degrees on the wall.

00:50:10.880 Dr. Grossman, thanks for talking to us.

00:50:13.420 So first, let's define the terms

00:50:15.360 sex and gender.

00:50:17.240 Yes, please.

00:50:18.260 Sex is biology.

00:50:22.580 Sex is unchanging.

00:50:24.680 It's based on chromosomes.

00:50:27.980 99.999% of the cells in the body

00:50:31.920 are marked either male or female.

00:50:36.120 Gender, on the other hand,

00:50:37.760 is a perception.

00:50:39.360 It's a feeling.

00:50:40.660 It's a way of identifying.

00:50:42.260 It's an experience.

00:50:44.720 Okay, that's subjective.

00:50:47.480 It sounds like what you're saying

00:50:49.080 is that if a man is male,

00:50:52.980 but thinks of himself as a woman,

00:50:56.860 he's not actually a woman?

00:50:59.200 That's correct.

00:51:01.960 Believe it or not,

00:51:03.060 that's a controversial statement

00:51:04.260 in 2023 America.

00:51:06.300 Dr. Grossman has a new book.

00:51:07.800 It's called Lost in Transnation.

00:51:10.880 That is such a good title.

00:51:12.580 Lost in Transnation.

00:51:14.460 A Child Psychiatrist's Guide

00:51:16.440 Out of the Madness.

00:51:19.620 I'm just going to say it one more time.

00:51:21.200 Lost in Transnation.

00:51:22.980 A Child Psychiatrist's Guide

00:51:24.300 Out of the Madness.

00:51:25.740 It's out next month

00:51:26.640 and she joins me now.

00:51:28.060 Welcome, Dr. Grossman.

00:51:29.080 So great to have you on.

00:51:30.600 Well, thank you so much,

00:51:32.240 Megan, for having me.

00:51:33.420 I really do appreciate it.

00:51:35.680 Oh, the pleasure's all mine.

00:51:37.220 So you have been way ahead of the curve

00:51:40.400 on all this,

00:51:41.720 the curve on all of this craziness

00:51:43.900 has been unfolding.

00:51:44.900 And I told the audience a week ago,

00:51:47.300 I've been slow to come to these realizations

00:51:49.980 that you've been saying for a while.

00:51:51.860 So when was it that you first

00:51:53.400 sort of went from,

00:51:54.980 this is a minor problem,

00:51:57.140 you know,

00:51:57.500 a few people have this,

00:51:58.960 be kind,

00:52:00.240 to,

00:52:01.520 I have to write this book.

00:52:03.020 We've got to stop this role.

00:52:05.340 Yeah.

00:52:06.420 Well, first,

00:52:07.260 let me acknowledge

00:52:08.000 that you've really done a great job

00:52:10.320 recently on this issue.

00:52:12.300 And, you know,

00:52:13.500 I've seen some of your material,

00:52:16.940 especially recently,

00:52:18.800 I think within the past week or so,

00:52:21.280 and you're really doing a great job

00:52:23.080 staying on top of this issue.

00:52:25.080 Thank you.

00:52:25.620 So I want to say

00:52:27.780 that I appreciate that

00:52:28.880 and I want to acknowledge that.

00:52:30.980 I appreciate that.

00:52:32.080 I also want to acknowledge

00:52:34.120 just at the get-go

00:52:35.340 that there are individuals,

00:52:38.120 there are children,

00:52:39.740 very rare children,

00:52:41.420 we're talking about

00:52:42.080 one in tens of thousands of people

00:52:45.680 who at a young age,

00:52:49.280 before the age of five or seven,

00:52:52.160 have a strong inner sense

00:52:55.920 that they are

00:52:57.760 or should be

00:52:59.460 the opposite sex.

00:53:01.620 Now, again,

00:53:02.660 those are extremely rare kids.

00:53:05.160 We've always known about them.

00:53:06.740 I learned about them

00:53:08.400 when I was in medical school

00:53:10.820 and doing my training

00:53:12.800 in child psychiatry,

00:53:14.120 but they were so unbelievably rare

00:53:17.440 that I never expected

00:53:19.780 to see even one child

00:53:21.960 like that in my practice.

00:53:24.280 And now here I am

00:53:25.500 a few decades later

00:53:26.960 and that's all I do.

00:53:29.560 My practice is composed

00:53:31.440 of kids

00:53:34.180 who have distress

00:53:37.140 over their sex bodies,

00:53:39.940 let's put it that way,

00:53:41.560 and their parents.

00:53:44.140 However,

00:53:45.500 the kids that I'm seeing

00:53:46.920 are not those kids

00:53:48.940 that I described to you

00:53:50.240 a moment ago,

00:53:51.020 those one in 10,000 kids

00:53:53.320 who recognized

00:53:57.400 and started to express

00:53:59.020 their discomfort

00:53:59.880 at an early age.

00:54:02.220 No,

00:54:02.840 these are kids

00:54:03.800 without any history

00:54:05.580 whatsoever

00:54:06.340 of having been uncomfortable

00:54:08.320 with being boys and girls.

00:54:10.780 These are kids

00:54:11.880 who never would have heard

00:54:14.920 about the very,

00:54:15.940 that idea

00:54:16.900 of being born

00:54:17.820 in the wrong body

00:54:18.760 had they not heard

00:54:21.000 about it from friends

00:54:22.280 or on the internet

00:54:23.800 or from their teachers

00:54:25.260 or their guidance counselor.

00:54:27.620 So this is an altogether

00:54:29.540 different group of people

00:54:32.240 and that's why I'm here today

00:54:36.040 to talk to you

00:54:37.440 about those kids

00:54:38.560 and that's why I wrote the book

00:54:41.340 because parents

00:54:42.980 are being blindsided.

00:54:44.840 They're being ambushed

00:54:46.360 and suddenly

00:54:48.160 out of the blue

00:54:49.320 their child

00:54:51.280 announces

00:54:52.600 or texts to them

00:54:54.000 that

00:54:55.760 they are now

00:54:57.460 not their son,

00:54:58.860 they're their daughter,

00:55:01.200 they have a new name,

00:55:03.120 they have new pronouns

00:55:04.420 and

00:55:05.800 they're informing

00:55:07.300 their parents

00:55:08.240 that this is now

00:55:09.740 the reality

00:55:10.440 and they would like

00:55:12.600 an appointment

00:55:13.180 at a clinic

00:55:14.180 to get hormones.

00:55:16.600 Now

00:55:17.060 most parents

00:55:18.920 are not expecting

00:55:20.500 this at all

00:55:21.620 and like I said

00:55:23.480 they're blindsided.

00:55:25.720 They don't know

00:55:26.700 how to respond.

00:55:28.260 They don't know

00:55:28.880 how to understand

00:55:30.020 what this is all about

00:55:31.460 and so they're stuck

00:55:34.120 in a massive crisis

00:55:36.280 and it often

00:55:38.720 turns into

00:55:39.860 a catastrophe.

00:55:42.020 I'm not using

00:55:43.020 that word lightly.

00:55:44.720 I use

00:55:46.080 that word

00:55:47.260 after a lot

00:55:48.300 of

00:55:48.560 deliberation

00:55:49.820 and I have seen

00:55:51.720 at this point

00:55:52.560 I've talked to

00:55:53.780 hundreds of parents

00:55:55.160 in whose homes

00:55:57.500 this has become

00:56:00.260 catastrophic

00:56:01.340 and so

00:56:03.120 I wrote

00:56:04.400 this book

00:56:05.000 in order

00:56:06.640 to

00:56:07.240 provide

00:56:08.440 parents

00:56:09.080 ahead of time.

00:56:11.040 I don't want

00:56:11.760 them

00:56:12.120 to suddenly

00:56:13.240 at the

00:56:14.020 you know

00:56:14.860 that evening

00:56:15.540 when they get

00:56:16.120 the text

00:56:16.640 or the announcement

00:56:17.420 at the dinner

00:56:18.380 table

00:56:18.820 I don't want

00:56:20.200 them to suddenly

00:56:21.080 you know

00:56:22.620 feel lost

00:56:23.920 like

00:56:24.140 what?

00:56:25.180 What do I do

00:56:26.140 with this?

00:56:26.820 Am I going to use

00:56:27.680 this new name?

00:56:28.460 Do I use

00:56:28.820 these pronouns?

00:56:29.280 Could my kid

00:56:30.380 really be

00:56:31.060 one of those

00:56:31.540 rare cases

00:56:32.520 of transgenderism?

00:56:34.340 I mean Megan

00:56:34.840 you have

00:56:35.280 three teenagers

00:56:36.060 right?

00:56:37.380 Just about

00:56:38.040 Yeah

00:56:39.020 So

00:56:40.180 what would

00:56:41.120 you do?

00:56:42.060 What would

00:56:42.420 you do?

00:56:42.900 One of your

00:56:43.220 kids

00:56:43.560 I know

00:56:44.660 what I'd do

00:56:45.240 I would do

00:56:46.040 what Abigail

00:56:46.500 Schreier said

00:56:47.140 to do in her

00:56:47.620 book

00:56:47.920 which is

00:56:48.300 we'd be

00:56:48.780 out of here

00:56:49.540 they would

00:56:49.980 be disconnected

00:56:50.880 from their

00:56:51.620 iPhone or

00:56:52.400 their iPad

00:56:52.960 immediately

00:56:54.520 and we'd

00:56:55.780 go take a

00:56:56.400 six month

00:56:57.000 trip to

00:56:58.600 see America

00:56:59.620 to go see

00:57:00.240 the Grand

00:57:00.540 Canyon

00:57:00.820 or maybe

00:57:01.580 to see

00:57:01.920 parts of

00:57:02.340 Europe

00:57:02.560 whatever we

00:57:03.480 could do

00:57:03.920 and I would

00:57:04.460 be doing

00:57:05.080 the homeschool

00:57:05.860 program

00:57:06.400 and I would

00:57:07.240 disconnect them

00:57:07.820 from all of

00:57:08.280 these forces

00:57:08.740 because it

00:57:09.380 would suggest

00:57:09.920 to me

00:57:10.240 that I may

00:57:10.640 have been

00:57:10.860 a little

00:57:11.080 absentee

00:57:11.760 and keeping

00:57:12.580 a good eye

00:57:13.500 on them

00:57:14.060 to begin

00:57:14.620 with

00:57:14.840 and what

00:57:15.160 they were

00:57:15.480 taking in

00:57:16.220 okay so

00:57:18.040 you're

00:57:18.380 you're better

00:57:19.020 prepared

00:57:19.600 and better

00:57:20.100 educated

00:57:20.740 than the

00:57:21.300 average

00:57:21.680 person

00:57:22.180 than the

00:57:22.640 average

00:57:22.960 parent

00:57:23.460 but I

00:57:24.560 would say

00:57:25.060 even more

00:57:26.080 Megan

00:57:26.680 than what

00:57:27.120 you said

00:57:27.640 is that

00:57:28.860 I would

00:57:29.360 have wanted

00:57:29.920 you years

00:57:31.500 ago if

00:57:32.180 possible

00:57:32.760 but it's

00:57:33.280 never too

00:57:33.760 late

00:57:34.060 to begin

00:57:35.500 educating

00:57:36.740 your child

00:57:37.600 with the

00:57:39.440 medically

00:57:41.040 accurate

00:57:41.640 biologically

00:57:42.520 accurate

00:57:43.100 information

00:57:43.760 that they

00:57:44.200 need

00:57:44.500 so that

00:57:45.480 when they

00:57:45.820 first

00:57:46.220 oh great

00:57:47.900 but it's

00:57:48.900 not about

00:57:49.200 me like

00:57:49.480 I'm not

00:57:49.880 worried about

00:57:50.200 my kids

00:57:50.560 I'm worried

00:57:50.880 about kids

00:57:51.840 in America

00:57:52.440 because it

00:57:52.880 is happening

00:57:53.340 and I have

00:57:54.080 to tell you

00:57:54.380 I have a dear

00:57:54.920 friend a

00:57:55.760 conservative

00:57:56.280 person it's

00:57:57.500 not all

00:57:58.080 because I know

00:57:58.460 there's a belief

00:57:58.980 now it's only

00:57:59.480 happening with

00:57:59.980 liberals this

00:58:01.300 person is a

00:58:02.100 conservative

00:58:02.560 and their

00:58:04.100 daughter has

00:58:05.520 gotten older

00:58:06.340 and got sucked

00:58:07.180 into the

00:58:07.580 college situation

00:58:08.540 and was a

00:58:09.220 little socially

00:58:09.700 awkward and

00:58:10.840 overweight and

00:58:12.320 wound up

00:58:13.120 going down

00:58:13.760 this road

00:58:14.400 and I

00:58:14.840 think this

00:58:15.880 couple the

00:58:16.500 parents are

00:58:17.200 desperate for

00:58:18.920 some sort of

00:58:19.780 solution to

00:58:20.840 it so it

00:58:21.200 doesn't it

00:58:21.900 does happen

00:58:22.540 to even

00:58:23.120 loving parents

00:58:23.820 who are

00:58:24.000 paying attention

00:58:24.540 who would

00:58:25.580 love to find

00:58:26.140 some inoculation

00:58:27.080 along the lines

00:58:27.840 of what you're

00:58:28.300 saying so keep

00:58:28.880 going well

00:58:30.240 of course I

00:58:31.620 mean this is

00:58:32.140 no family is

00:58:33.180 immune and

00:58:33.820 the families

00:58:34.440 that I've had

00:58:36.160 contact with

00:58:37.080 again hundreds

00:58:38.240 of families

00:58:38.960 these are

00:58:40.000 loving and

00:58:41.020 devoted parents

00:58:42.320 okay that

00:58:44.520 these these

00:58:45.300 are parents

00:58:45.960 that you

00:58:47.960 know that

00:58:48.240 have tried

00:58:48.680 to give

00:58:49.100 their child

00:58:49.800 every everything

00:58:51.840 that they

00:58:52.200 possibly could

00:58:53.120 every opportunity

00:58:55.000 every you

00:58:56.520 know love

00:58:58.260 and their

00:58:59.020 time and

00:58:59.860 their hard

00:59:01.200 earned money

00:59:02.600 and these

00:59:04.020 are parents

00:59:04.640 that have

00:59:05.340 been looking

00:59:05.820 out for

00:59:06.280 their kid

00:59:06.780 they just

00:59:07.700 weren't looking

00:59:08.320 out for this

00:59:09.200 and they

00:59:10.440 never expected

00:59:11.300 this to

00:59:11.840 happen

00:59:12.280 so you

00:59:14.520 know I'm

00:59:15.060 I'm a woman

00:59:15.800 on a mission

00:59:16.560 and my

00:59:18.160 mission is to

00:59:19.320 provide parents

00:59:20.660 with the

00:59:21.840 information that

00:59:22.780 they need

00:59:23.300 and the

00:59:24.300 tools that

00:59:25.240 they need

00:59:25.980 in order to

00:59:27.860 prevent this

00:59:28.860 catastrophe and

00:59:29.960 if it still

00:59:30.760 does come to

00:59:32.340 their family

00:59:33.100 to know how

00:59:34.880 to manage it

00:59:35.900 can we talk

00:59:36.900 about it

00:59:37.280 so I

00:59:37.620 let's just

00:59:38.460 to harken

00:59:38.820 back to

00:59:39.320 when I

00:59:39.680 had Abigail

00:59:40.480 Schreier on

00:59:41.020 the show

00:59:41.260 for the first

00:59:41.700 time right

00:59:42.480 after we

00:59:42.780 launched in

00:59:43.480 2020

00:59:44.000 we talked

00:59:46.160 about the

00:59:46.560 problem of

00:59:47.280 capture of

00:59:48.500 the American

00:59:49.220 Psychiatric

00:59:49.780 Association and

00:59:50.620 others the

00:59:51.440 American

00:59:51.740 Pediatric

00:59:52.380 Association to

00:59:53.220 or Academy

00:59:53.700 of Pediatrics

00:59:54.320 really just

00:59:55.200 pushing gender

00:59:56.020 affirming care

00:59:56.960 now it's

00:59:57.460 gender

00:59:57.740 confirming care

00:59:58.900 and how

01:00:00.280 Abigail was

01:00:01.320 saying be

01:00:02.080 aware if

01:00:02.720 you're a

01:00:03.000 parent that

01:00:03.540 this happens

01:00:04.060 to don't

01:00:05.240 just bring

01:00:05.600 your kid

01:00:05.920 into the

01:00:06.480 child

01:00:06.960 psychiatrist

01:00:07.480 and expect

01:00:08.960 oh they're

01:00:09.600 gonna work

01:00:10.040 it out

01:00:10.640 because those

01:00:11.840 are pushers

01:00:12.540 too and we

01:00:13.940 talked about

01:00:14.380 how difficult

01:00:14.980 it was to

01:00:15.520 find somebody

01:00:16.140 like you

01:00:17.120 who has

01:00:18.120 expertise in

01:00:19.200 child psychiatry

01:00:20.260 who would be

01:00:21.120 willing to

01:00:21.600 actually figure

01:00:22.380 out what the

01:00:23.060 root cause is

01:00:23.800 of this

01:00:24.180 child's

01:00:25.220 dysphoric

01:00:25.800 moment as

01:00:26.540 opposed to

01:00:27.020 just affirming

01:00:28.180 you really are

01:00:28.900 the opposite

01:00:29.360 sex so I'm

01:00:30.040 so happy

01:00:30.740 to hear that

01:00:32.120 this is your

01:00:32.580 whole business

01:00:33.100 and I know

01:00:33.400 you have a

01:00:33.720 waiting list

01:00:34.240 parents need

01:00:35.880 someone like

01:00:36.480 you to

01:00:36.840 not only

01:00:38.160 counsel their

01:00:38.940 children but

01:00:39.780 to write a

01:00:40.160 book like

01:00:40.440 this if they

01:00:40.840 can't get

01:00:41.140 in to see

01:00:41.520 you

01:00:41.740 well and I

01:00:43.260 go into

01:00:44.180 all of that

01:00:44.700 in the book

01:00:45.220 and I explain

01:00:45.880 to parents

01:00:46.460 how did

01:00:46.900 this happen

01:00:47.540 how did

01:00:48.460 our

01:00:48.800 mainstream

01:00:49.840 medical

01:00:50.620 establishment

01:00:51.380 get

01:00:52.360 captured

01:00:54.420 and taken

01:00:55.320 over

01:00:55.740 by these

01:00:56.920 dangerous

01:00:57.460 ideas

01:00:58.080 the idea

01:00:59.160 that a

01:00:59.580 child can

01:01:00.340 be born

01:01:00.720 in the

01:01:00.960 wrong body

01:01:01.600 and the

01:01:02.160 idea of

01:01:02.980 exposing a

01:01:03.980 child to

01:01:05.240 that notion

01:01:06.120 as if it's

01:01:07.300 normal and

01:01:08.400 as if it's

01:01:09.160 something to

01:01:09.720 celebrate

01:01:10.240 how did

01:01:11.120 this happen

01:01:11.840 how were

01:01:12.840 these

01:01:13.040 organizations

01:01:13.720 taken over

01:01:14.620 and it's

01:01:15.300 not just

01:01:15.780 the psychiatric

01:01:17.140 and psychological

01:01:18.060 organizations

01:01:18.840 it's also

01:01:19.540 the endocrine

01:01:21.300 society

01:01:21.940 okay these

01:01:22.800 are the

01:01:23.060 endocrinologists

01:01:23.760 are the people

01:01:24.420 that are going

01:01:24.820 to be prescribing

01:01:25.620 the blockers

01:01:26.400 and the

01:01:26.660 cross-sex

01:01:27.100 hormones so

01:01:27.700 it's really

01:01:28.780 been a

01:01:29.580 massive

01:01:30.420 a massive

01:01:32.500 you know

01:01:33.420 capture

01:01:34.240 a crusade

01:01:36.100 a crusade

01:01:37.380 through

01:01:37.980 the

01:01:39.120 the medical

01:01:39.940 establishment

01:01:40.760 a successful

01:01:42.040 crusade

01:01:42.780 I'm sorry

01:01:43.260 to say

01:01:43.800 but parents

01:01:44.840 need to know

01:01:45.520 how that

01:01:46.100 happened

01:01:46.580 and how

01:01:47.660 to find

01:01:48.360 practitioners

01:01:49.820 that have

01:01:50.480 not been

01:01:51.080 captured

01:01:51.580 and I

01:01:52.660 give that

01:01:53.600 guidance

01:01:54.180 as well

01:01:54.840 when you

01:01:56.340 say okay

01:01:57.100 so for

01:01:57.920 parents out

01:01:58.400 there who

01:01:58.740 want to

01:01:59.140 start

01:01:59.500 educating

01:02:00.480 their

01:02:00.760 children

01:02:01.080 before

01:02:01.700 they

01:02:02.760 start

01:02:03.040 getting

01:02:03.320 abused

01:02:03.920 with

01:02:04.240 these

01:02:04.440 notions

01:02:04.840 sure

01:02:05.520 you know

01:02:06.220 you can

01:02:06.420 I mean

01:02:06.620 we just

01:02:06.860 did a story

01:02:07.220 yesterday

01:02:07.520 on how

01:02:07.900 there was

01:02:08.260 a school

01:02:08.520 district

01:02:08.780 in Connecticut

01:02:09.280 showing the

01:02:09.740 kids a

01:02:10.000 video

01:02:10.260 they say

01:02:10.880 it's

01:02:11.000 appropriate

01:02:11.340 as of

01:02:11.820 age

01:02:12.060 two

01:02:12.580 they were

01:02:13.280 showing

01:02:13.500 it to

01:02:13.720 elementary

01:02:14.120 school

01:02:14.460 students

01:02:15.180 where

01:02:16.040 there's

01:02:16.400 a child

01:02:16.740 saying

01:02:17.140 I wasn't

01:02:17.800 sure if

01:02:18.060 I was

01:02:18.260 a girl

01:02:18.540 or a

01:02:18.840 boy

01:02:19.040 so I'm

01:02:19.780 just

01:02:19.960 both

01:02:20.340 I'm

01:02:20.780 both

01:02:21.080 so

01:02:22.000 it's

01:02:22.360 you

01:02:22.560 you

01:02:22.960 have

01:02:23.400 to

01:02:23.520 start

01:02:23.700 talking

01:02:24.000 about

01:02:24.280 this

01:02:24.740 from

01:02:25.520 the

01:02:25.680 cradle

01:02:26.060 basically

01:02:26.560 but

01:02:26.800 what

01:02:27.020 should

01:02:27.200 they

01:02:27.320 be

01:02:27.480 doing

01:02:27.740 well

01:02:29.760 I

01:02:29.940 want

01:02:30.120 to

01:02:30.500 you

01:02:30.920 see

01:02:31.120 why

01:02:31.460 do

01:02:31.560 they

01:02:31.700 start

01:02:31.980 so

01:02:32.260 early

01:02:32.620 Megan

01:02:33.020 any

01:02:33.680 you

01:02:34.500 know

01:02:34.620 any

01:02:34.880 ideology

01:02:35.700 that

01:02:37.800 that

01:02:38.200 wants

01:02:38.560 to

01:02:38.940 take

01:02:39.600 over

01:02:39.880 a

01:02:40.060 generation

01:02:40.600 and

01:02:41.460 take

01:02:41.680 over

01:02:41.920 society

01:02:42.660 is

01:02:43.420 going

01:02:43.700 to

01:02:43.900 start

01:02:44.240 as

01:02:44.520 early

01:02:44.860 as

01:02:45.100 possible

01:02:45.660 because

01:02:46.820 children

01:02:47.420 are

01:02:47.980 like

01:02:48.280 wet

01:02:48.660 cement

01:02:49.080 okay

01:02:50.240 that's

01:02:50.580 a

01:02:50.700 great

01:02:51.000 quote

01:02:51.440 from

01:02:51.720 a

01:02:52.020 famous

01:02:52.640 psychologist

01:02:53.360 by the

01:02:53.740 name

01:02:53.900 of

01:02:54.060 Chaim

01:02:54.480 Junot

01:02:55.560 and

01:02:56.300 he

01:02:56.460 said

01:02:56.780 that

01:02:57.120 that

01:02:58.120 children

01:02:58.880 are

01:02:59.220 like

01:02:59.500 wet

01:02:59.920 cement

01:03:00.240 and

01:03:01.160 whatever

01:03:01.580 falls

01:03:02.320 on

01:03:02.720 them

01:03:02.960 is

01:03:03.560 going

01:03:03.780 to

01:03:04.000 make

01:03:04.240 an

01:03:04.360 impression

01:03:04.880 and

01:03:05.760 that's

01:03:06.100 why

01:03:06.340 I'm

01:03:06.560 telling

01:03:06.820 parents

01:03:07.360 you

01:03:08.080 have

01:03:08.480 to

01:03:08.640 make

01:03:08.840 the

01:03:09.020 first

01:03:09.280 impression

01:03:09.880 okay

01:03:11.200 not

01:03:11.960 not

01:03:13.640 the

01:03:13.860 internet

01:03:14.140 and

01:03:14.620 not

01:03:15.000 Disney

01:03:15.640 and

01:03:16.320 not

01:03:16.600 Target

01:03:17.200 and

01:03:17.560 not

01:03:17.860 Legos

01:03:18.660 you

01:03:19.520 know

01:03:19.680 all

01:03:20.180 these

01:03:20.400 places

01:03:20.860 are

01:03:21.440 sources

01:03:22.220 of

01:03:22.640 indoctrination

01:03:23.500 to

01:03:24.180 our

01:03:24.400 kids

01:03:24.880 and

01:03:25.760 so

01:03:26.020 yes

01:03:26.380 they're

01:03:26.680 starting

01:03:27.060 very

01:03:27.620 very

01:03:27.900 early

01:03:28.260 and

01:03:29.000 when

01:03:29.220 your

01:03:29.440 child's

01:03:30.460 preschool

01:03:30.960 teacher

01:03:31.600 reads

01:03:32.600 the book

01:03:33.140 I am

01:03:33.620 jazz

01:03:34.200 to your

01:03:34.940 three or

01:03:35.580 four year

01:03:36.060 old

01:03:36.320 and your

01:03:37.440 child hears

01:03:38.380 about the

01:03:38.860 idea

01:03:39.440 of

01:03:40.460 being born

01:03:42.840 in the

01:03:43.120 wrong

01:03:43.360 body

01:03:43.820 that makes

01:03:44.920 an impression

01:03:45.580 and that

01:03:46.140 plants

01:03:46.740 a seed

01:03:47.740 and

01:03:49.160 so

01:03:49.360 what

01:03:49.560 I

01:03:49.880 want

01:03:50.400 and

01:03:51.000 yes

01:03:51.320 you

01:03:51.540 do

01:03:51.720 have

01:03:51.940 to

01:03:52.040 begin

01:03:52.320 very

01:03:52.780 early

01:03:53.240 and

01:03:54.040 you

01:03:54.120 have

01:03:54.280 to

01:03:54.420 begin

01:03:54.840 with

01:03:56.040 the

01:03:56.220 correct

01:03:56.680 biology

01:03:57.300 that

01:03:57.920 male

01:03:58.560 and

01:03:58.840 female

01:03:59.380 boy

01:03:59.760 and

01:03:59.960 girl

01:04:00.200 is

01:04:00.800 established

01:04:01.600 at

01:04:02.040 conception

01:04:02.940 it

01:04:04.240 is

01:04:04.440 not

01:04:05.020 some

01:04:05.460 random

01:04:06.240 assignment

01:04:07.160 that's

01:04:08.540 made

01:04:08.880 in the

01:04:09.400 delivery

01:04:09.820 room

01:04:10.260 by a

01:04:11.280 doctor

01:04:11.640 or a

01:04:12.140 nurse

01:04:12.540 that

01:04:13.200 could

01:04:13.440 be

01:04:13.660 wrong

01:04:14.020 that's

01:04:15.440 incorrect

01:04:16.100 in

01:04:16.700 every

01:04:17.480 case

01:04:17.980 except

01:04:18.540 extremely

01:04:19.660 rare

01:04:20.280 0.02%

01:04:21.740 of births

01:04:23.500 in which

01:04:24.140 the baby

01:04:25.800 may have

01:04:26.400 some

01:04:26.760 chromosomal

01:04:27.720 or other

01:04:28.620 abnormality

01:04:29.400 very very

01:04:30.660 rare

01:04:31.100 conditions

01:04:31.740 and even

01:04:32.520 in those

01:04:33.060 conditions

01:04:33.660 that baby

01:04:35.320 is

01:04:36.420 their

01:04:37.800 reproductive

01:04:38.360 system

01:04:39.080 is

01:04:40.020 formed

01:04:41.320 either

01:04:42.380 around

01:04:43.020 producing

01:04:43.860 sperm

01:04:44.380 or

01:04:44.660 producing

01:04:45.140 X

01:04:45.600 which

01:04:46.220 is

01:04:46.440 the

01:04:46.720 definition

01:04:47.200 of

01:04:47.560 male

01:04:47.820 and

01:04:48.000 female

01:04:48.180 so

01:04:48.540 yeah

01:04:49.740 we have

01:04:50.120 to start

01:04:50.500 very early

01:04:51.220 we have

01:04:52.060 to

01:04:52.240 let me ask

01:04:53.200 you a question

01:04:53.540 on this

01:04:53.900 in the

01:04:55.180 Matt Walsh

01:04:55.880 clip

01:04:56.260 you're

01:04:56.800 saying

01:04:57.340 you know

01:04:57.600 biological

01:04:57.960 sex

01:04:58.360 is real

01:04:59.220 and it's

01:04:59.980 along the

01:05:00.920 lines of

01:05:01.140 what you

01:05:01.320 just said

01:05:01.600 determined

01:05:01.960 at

01:05:02.120 conception

01:05:02.500 but gender

01:05:03.560 is

01:05:04.200 something

01:05:04.640 a little

01:05:04.920 different

01:05:05.320 so what

01:05:06.400 if

01:05:06.600 what if

01:05:07.160 the child

01:05:07.500 says

01:05:07.740 okay

01:05:08.060 I accept

01:05:08.660 that I

01:05:08.900 am

01:05:09.020 biologically

01:05:09.680 male

01:05:10.560 but my

01:05:11.400 gender

01:05:11.700 is female

01:05:12.200 and I

01:05:12.700 am going

01:05:13.040 to

01:05:13.260 and I

01:05:13.540 identify

01:05:13.940 as

01:05:14.240 female

01:05:14.560 and I'm

01:05:14.920 going to

01:05:15.040 live my

01:05:15.340 life

01:05:15.640 as

01:05:16.160 female

01:05:16.460 those

01:05:16.700 are

01:05:16.800 the

01:05:16.900 feelings

01:05:17.200 I'm

01:05:17.400 having

01:05:17.700 you

01:05:18.480 will

01:05:18.660 accept

01:05:18.900 me

01:05:19.160 or

01:05:19.480 I

01:05:19.880 will

01:05:20.000 kill

01:05:20.140 myself

01:05:20.480 well

01:05:23.520 hopefully

01:05:23.960 before you

01:05:24.560 get to

01:05:24.880 that

01:05:25.100 point

01:05:25.520 you know

01:05:26.460 you're

01:05:26.960 you're

01:05:27.360 you're

01:05:27.800 prepared

01:05:28.280 you understand

01:05:28.940 what this

01:05:29.280 is about

01:05:29.700 but

01:05:30.100 you know

01:05:31.060 if

01:05:31.260 let's

01:05:31.840 say

01:05:32.000 that you

01:05:32.280 haven't

01:05:32.700 and let's

01:05:33.160 say

01:05:33.380 that that's

01:05:33.960 the

01:05:34.220 first

01:05:34.940 indication

01:05:35.500 you have

01:05:36.060 your

01:05:36.260 kid

01:05:36.520 comes

01:05:36.820 over

01:05:37.060 to you

01:05:37.300 and says

01:05:37.800 what

01:05:38.220 you

01:05:38.580 just

01:05:38.800 said

01:05:39.040 well I

01:05:41.640 would

01:05:41.800 say the

01:05:43.540 to not

01:05:43.920 freak

01:05:44.260 out

01:05:44.600 which

01:05:46.140 is

01:05:46.340 difficult

01:05:46.780 but the

01:05:48.540 most

01:05:48.780 important

01:05:49.200 thing

01:05:49.620 is to

01:05:50.380 wait

01:05:51.300 and

01:05:51.580 freak

01:05:51.900 out

01:05:52.200 later

01:05:52.940 to try

01:05:55.560 and

01:05:55.780 stay

01:05:56.340 calm

01:05:56.700 and

01:05:58.420 just like

01:05:59.280 with any

01:05:59.700 other issue

01:06:00.360 that your

01:06:00.760 child may

01:06:01.340 come to

01:06:01.760 you with

01:06:02.260 you want

01:06:03.920 to be

01:06:04.380 curious

01:06:04.960 and to

01:06:05.540 understand

01:06:06.180 what it's

01:06:06.560 all about

01:06:07.080 you want

01:06:08.900 to

01:06:09.480 affirm

01:06:12.280 the

01:06:13.360 child's

01:06:13.980 feelings

01:06:14.600 without

01:06:15.880 affirming

01:06:16.800 any

01:06:17.640 particular

01:06:18.200 belief

01:06:18.860 or idea

01:06:19.600 that they're

01:06:19.980 coming to

01:06:20.500 you with

01:06:20.940 so if

01:06:23.100 the child

01:06:23.620 says

01:06:24.160 my biology

01:06:26.400 is female

01:06:27.440 but my

01:06:28.500 gender

01:06:29.000 is male

01:06:30.140 what I

01:06:31.760 want parents

01:06:32.440 to say

01:06:32.980 is

01:06:33.320 oh

01:06:35.480 wow

01:06:36.160 wow

01:06:37.880 this is

01:06:38.300 this is

01:06:38.720 big

01:06:39.140 tell me

01:06:39.800 more about

01:06:40.380 this

01:06:40.720 I want

01:06:42.200 to

01:06:42.300 understand

01:06:42.740 this

01:06:43.200 I don't

01:06:43.620 completely

01:06:44.100 understand

01:06:44.780 it

01:06:44.980 and I

01:06:45.260 want to

01:06:45.700 understand

01:06:46.120 it

01:06:46.400 because

01:06:46.760 I see

01:06:47.940 that this

01:06:48.300 is very

01:06:48.860 important

01:06:49.280 to you

01:06:49.760 and whatever

01:06:51.240 is important

01:06:51.820 to you

01:06:52.200 is important

01:06:52.700 to me

01:06:53.200 and furthermore

01:06:54.460 if you're

01:06:55.720 thinking

01:06:56.080 of affirming

01:06:56.740 yourself

01:06:57.220 wow

01:06:57.780 hold on

01:06:59.480 a minute

01:06:59.760 we really

01:07:00.700 need to

01:07:01.040 talk about

01:07:01.480 that

01:07:01.840 are you

01:07:02.880 actually

01:07:03.280 having

01:07:03.700 thoughts

01:07:04.160 what are

01:07:05.080 these thoughts

01:07:05.600 that you're

01:07:05.880 having

01:07:06.100 do we need

01:07:06.600 to make

01:07:06.980 an appointment

01:07:09.260 with you

01:07:10.660 know with

01:07:10.960 a mental

01:07:11.300 health person

01:07:12.000 that's a

01:07:12.840 whole other

01:07:13.240 issue

01:07:13.660 who you

01:07:14.120 go to

01:07:14.660 that's a

01:07:15.760 that's a

01:07:16.240 huge huge

01:07:17.140 issue

01:07:17.480 because most

01:07:18.940 mental health

01:07:19.520 practitioners

01:07:20.100 are either

01:07:21.340 not going

01:07:22.100 to touch

01:07:22.540 this hot

01:07:23.040 potato

01:07:23.400 and they're

01:07:24.580 going to

01:07:25.340 refer your

01:07:27.260 family to

01:07:27.960 a gender

01:07:28.360 clinic

01:07:28.760 and in

01:07:30.060 the gender

01:07:30.500 clinic

01:07:30.880 they are

01:07:31.780 going to

01:07:32.320 affirm your

01:07:33.140 child in

01:07:34.200 their new

01:07:34.600 identity

01:07:35.080 they're

01:07:35.940 not going

01:07:36.260 to delve

01:07:37.260 into it

01:07:37.900 ask

01:07:38.200 questions

01:07:38.780 see about

01:07:39.640 other

01:07:40.540 comorbid

01:07:41.400 conditions

01:07:42.020 which are

01:07:42.600 most of

01:07:43.320 these kids

01:07:43.760 do have

01:07:44.460 either

01:07:45.280 anxiety

01:07:46.540 or depression

01:07:47.260 or some

01:07:49.400 sort of

01:07:49.840 neurodiverse

01:07:50.580 condition

01:07:51.140 autism

01:07:51.720 the gender

01:07:53.640 clinic is

01:07:54.340 going to

01:07:54.600 go ahead

01:07:55.160 and affirm

01:07:56.600 them at

01:07:57.320 once

01:07:57.860 and perhaps

01:07:59.660 even with

01:08:00.700 your child

01:08:01.240 in the

01:08:01.560 room

01:08:01.840 the gender

01:08:03.140 clinician

01:08:03.660 the gender

01:08:04.260 expert

01:08:04.840 is going

01:08:05.600 to tell

01:08:06.000 you that

01:08:06.400 you must

01:08:07.420 accept

01:08:08.200 your son

01:08:09.260 as your

01:08:09.780 daughter

01:08:10.060 your daughter

01:08:10.660 as your

01:08:11.140 son

01:08:11.400 and if

01:08:12.160 you do

01:08:12.620 not

01:08:13.080 then

01:08:14.360 you know

01:08:15.900 you are

01:08:16.680 increasing

01:08:17.280 the chance

01:08:18.040 of this

01:08:18.760 having a

01:08:19.240 very dangerous

01:08:20.400 outcome

01:08:21.000 and that

01:08:22.380 is

01:08:22.540 meanwhile

01:08:22.940 you point

01:08:24.920 this out

01:08:25.180 in your

01:08:25.320 book as

01:08:25.640 well

01:08:25.880 that the

01:08:27.000 vast majority

01:08:27.620 of these

01:08:28.140 children

01:08:28.500 will grow

01:08:29.720 out of

01:08:30.260 these feelings

01:08:30.900 if only

01:08:31.920 we allow

01:08:32.880 them to

01:08:33.420 instead we

01:08:34.080 intervene with

01:08:34.780 these medical

01:08:35.660 drugs and

01:08:37.720 procedures and

01:08:38.540 so on

01:08:39.020 but one of

01:08:39.740 my questions

01:08:40.140 for you in

01:08:40.540 reading that

01:08:40.980 was I

01:08:42.220 can certainly

01:08:42.660 see how that

01:08:43.120 would be true

01:08:43.540 of somebody

01:08:43.900 who has the

01:08:44.420 sudden onset

01:08:45.120 gender dysphoria

01:08:45.920 caused by

01:08:46.780 too much time

01:08:47.460 on YouTube

01:08:47.880 caused by

01:08:48.760 too many

01:08:49.120 girls in

01:08:49.600 the sophomore

01:08:50.600 year of high

01:08:51.300 school saying

01:08:52.320 they're trans

01:08:52.960 so it's like

01:08:53.380 oh that's the

01:08:54.000 cool thing

01:08:54.320 but is it

01:08:55.260 also true for

01:08:55.980 the very very

01:08:56.780 rare kids you

01:08:57.600 talked about

01:08:58.040 before the

01:08:59.160 five-year-olds

01:08:59.880 who are

01:09:00.540 insisting

01:09:01.260 the boys

01:09:02.480 saying I'm

01:09:03.180 a girl

01:09:03.480 mommy I'm

01:09:03.900 a girl I

01:09:04.280 want long

01:09:04.640 hair and I

01:09:05.040 want Barbies

01:09:05.560 is it also

01:09:06.340 true that

01:09:06.700 those kids

01:09:07.240 will grow

01:09:08.240 out of it

01:09:08.600 if left

01:09:08.860 alone

01:09:09.120 so for

01:09:10.160 those very

01:09:11.200 rare children

01:09:11.900 and again

01:09:12.420 those are

01:09:12.840 the one

01:09:13.440 in many

01:09:14.020 tens of

01:09:14.620 thousands

01:09:14.940 of people

01:09:15.500 and the

01:09:15.960 kids like

01:09:16.440 jazz

01:09:16.960 jazz

01:09:17.360 jennings

01:09:17.880 okay from

01:09:19.260 a very early

01:09:20.100 age to

01:09:20.600 major two

01:09:21.420 jazz was

01:09:22.840 insisting

01:09:23.580 about being

01:09:25.180 being a

01:09:25.680 girl

01:09:25.920 so the

01:09:27.580 studies that

01:09:28.520 I quoted

01:09:28.980 to you

01:09:29.400 earlier

01:09:29.820 that go

01:09:31.420 up to

01:09:32.000 a 90%

01:09:33.260 desistance

01:09:34.000 rate

01:09:34.500 desistance

01:09:35.080 being the

01:09:36.040 word that

01:09:36.420 we use

01:09:36.880 to describe

01:09:37.560 kids who

01:09:38.900 with time

01:09:40.280 eventually

01:09:41.080 their gender

01:09:43.580 dysphoria

01:09:44.180 their discomfort

01:09:45.100 with their

01:09:45.620 bodies

01:09:46.060 resolves

01:09:46.860 and they

01:09:47.940 come to

01:09:48.600 accept their

01:09:49.260 bodies

01:09:49.660 and many

01:09:51.200 of these

01:09:51.520 kids are

01:09:52.080 gay or

01:09:52.480 lesbian

01:09:52.800 so yeah

01:09:53.800 those were

01:09:54.720 the numbers

01:09:55.260 those are

01:09:56.140 the studies

01:09:56.620 on those

01:09:57.340 kids

01:09:57.700 those very

01:09:58.280 rare kids

01:09:58.960 we have

01:09:59.940 a lot

01:10:00.220 that's really

01:10:00.720 telling

01:10:01.040 that's really

01:10:02.040 telling

01:10:02.240 because it's

01:10:02.500 like of

01:10:02.820 course if

01:10:03.240 it's sudden

01:10:03.700 onset and

01:10:04.440 it's a

01:10:04.740 social contagion

01:10:05.620 of course

01:10:07.020 they just

01:10:07.500 need to be

01:10:07.900 therapized

01:10:08.400 they need

01:10:08.720 to talk

01:10:09.140 to your

01:10:09.340 kid about

01:10:09.660 what's

01:10:09.860 really

01:10:10.040 going on

01:10:10.600 this is

01:10:11.260 the same

01:10:11.620 as we

01:10:11.880 used to

01:10:12.100 have with

01:10:12.400 anorexia

01:10:12.960 or cutting

01:10:13.440 or you

01:10:13.840 know like

01:10:14.340 the mental

01:10:15.420 health issues

01:10:16.000 need to be

01:10:16.360 addressed and

01:10:16.820 then the

01:10:17.140 symptoms get

01:10:18.260 addressed

01:10:18.600 after that

01:10:19.560 but that

01:10:20.420 if you can

01:10:21.020 if it's

01:10:21.460 true of

01:10:21.820 even the

01:10:22.260 littles

01:10:22.600 you know

01:10:22.960 the two-year-olds

01:10:23.800 the five-year-olds

01:10:24.460 who are confused

01:10:24.960 about the gender

01:10:25.560 then it's got

01:10:26.400 to be

01:10:26.680 the hands-off

01:10:27.940 protocol

01:10:29.120 it needs to

01:10:30.780 be the

01:10:31.320 protocol

01:10:31.880 and instead

01:10:33.060 it's not

01:10:33.820 it's puberty

01:10:34.680 blockers

01:10:35.320 which almost

01:10:36.020 always lead

01:10:36.560 right into

01:10:36.900 cross-sex

01:10:37.420 hormones

01:10:37.880 which cause

01:10:39.020 massive

01:10:39.780 damage

01:10:40.600 can you talk

01:10:41.400 about that

01:10:41.840 that progression

01:10:43.120 the puberty

01:10:43.560 blockers

01:10:43.860 which we're

01:10:44.300 told is no

01:10:44.700 problem

01:10:45.080 that's a

01:10:45.400 nothing

01:10:45.800 it's a

01:10:46.120 pause

01:10:46.480 and then

01:10:47.220 where that

01:10:47.560 leads

01:10:47.840 well of

01:10:48.960 course

01:10:49.220 I mean

01:10:49.540 kids are

01:10:49.960 put on

01:10:50.400 an assembly

01:10:50.920 line

01:10:51.240 and the

01:10:52.380 assembly

01:10:52.700 line is

01:10:53.140 very difficult

01:10:53.720 to get

01:10:54.440 off of

01:10:54.900 and the

01:10:56.000 assembly

01:10:56.320 line

01:10:56.660 actually

01:10:57.060 Megan

01:10:57.460 begins

01:10:58.140 way before

01:10:59.220 the blockers

01:10:59.940 it begins

01:11:00.560 with this

01:11:01.200 social

01:11:01.500 transition

01:11:02.060 okay so

01:11:04.140 once you

01:11:04.900 agree to

01:11:05.860 use different

01:11:07.180 pronouns

01:11:07.760 and a

01:11:08.180 different name

01:11:08.900 those things

01:11:10.000 are not just

01:11:10.780 a kindness

01:11:11.480 or a sign

01:11:12.560 of respect

01:11:13.140 which is

01:11:13.560 what we're

01:11:13.880 being you

01:11:15.060 know the

01:11:15.320 kids are being

01:11:15.920 told that

01:11:16.620 anyone that

01:11:17.200 doesn't respect

01:11:17.880 your pronouns

01:11:18.500 and your

01:11:18.840 names are

01:11:20.200 are bad

01:11:21.160 and hateful

01:11:21.840 people and

01:11:23.480 that really

01:11:24.020 is the

01:11:24.440 biggest challenge

01:11:25.300 here the

01:11:26.300 challenge is

01:11:27.120 not in

01:11:27.740 treating the

01:11:28.400 anxiety and

01:11:29.340 the depression

01:11:29.880 and autism

01:11:30.760 the challenge

01:11:32.260 is in

01:11:32.880 dealing with

01:11:34.100 the indoctrination

01:11:35.420 in these

01:11:36.460 kids that's

01:11:38.340 that's the

01:11:38.800 hard part

01:11:39.400 so I

01:11:44.320 wanted to

01:11:45.620 explain whether

01:11:46.260 one other

01:11:46.840 thing

01:11:47.120 very very

01:11:47.700 important

01:11:48.120 you see

01:11:49.180 gender

01:11:49.660 dysphoria

01:11:50.300 this sense

01:11:51.080 of discomfort

01:11:51.760 with your

01:11:52.280 sex body

01:11:53.020 it's a

01:11:54.120 symptom

01:11:54.620 okay

01:11:55.600 symptoms

01:11:56.140 can have

01:11:56.740 many

01:11:57.000 different

01:11:57.600 etiologies

01:11:59.260 or you

01:12:00.040 know

01:12:00.260 origins

01:12:02.580 so just

01:12:03.940 like let's

01:12:04.680 say fever

01:12:05.360 fever is a

01:12:07.100 symptom

01:12:07.460 fever can be

01:12:09.100 due to so

01:12:09.580 many things

01:12:10.320 okay you

01:12:10.860 can have an

01:12:11.240 infection

01:12:11.720 you could

01:12:12.860 be dehydrated

01:12:16.940 you could

01:12:18.100 have an

01:12:20.620 autoimmune

01:12:21.180 disease

01:12:21.860 you could

01:12:22.580 have cancer

01:12:23.340 so fever

01:12:25.680 is a symptom

01:12:26.420 and we

01:12:26.880 don't love

01:12:27.980 all these

01:12:28.700 different

01:12:29.060 conditions

01:12:29.640 that may

01:12:30.600 cause the

01:12:31.500 symptom of

01:12:32.040 fever we

01:12:32.600 don't lump

01:12:33.160 them all

01:12:33.620 together and

01:12:34.880 say this is

01:12:35.560 the one

01:12:35.980 treatment for

01:12:36.740 fever of

01:12:38.160 course we

01:12:38.540 don't do

01:12:38.900 that but

01:12:39.720 that is

01:12:40.060 exactly what

01:12:41.660 the proponents

01:12:42.920 of gender

01:12:43.600 affirming care

01:12:44.460 are saying

01:12:45.100 it doesn't

01:12:46.340 matter if

01:12:46.920 your kid is

01:12:47.460 two years

01:12:48.080 old or

01:12:49.400 20 years

01:12:50.980 old and

01:12:52.020 they come

01:12:52.540 to you and

01:12:53.560 say that

01:12:53.960 they're having

01:12:54.420 this symptom

01:12:54.980 of gender

01:12:55.420 dysphoria

01:12:55.920 the way that

01:12:57.380 you deal

01:12:57.840 with that is

01:12:58.520 to immediately

01:12:59.400 affirm it

01:13:00.320 and there's

01:13:02.440 only one

01:13:03.100 approach and

01:13:03.960 one understanding

01:13:04.860 there's no

01:13:05.940 other way

01:13:06.480 this is the

01:13:07.680 danger of

01:13:09.120 gender

01:13:09.480 affirming

01:13:09.980 care

01:13:10.340 it's bad

01:13:12.600 enough if

01:13:13.000 you just do

01:13:13.440 it with

01:13:13.740 words and

01:13:15.020 pronouns and

01:13:16.240 social transition

01:13:17.260 as you point

01:13:17.760 out but then

01:13:18.820 we go to the

01:13:19.560 medicalization of

01:13:20.460 it and there

01:13:21.920 are so many

01:13:23.400 severe risks

01:13:25.020 and poor

01:13:26.000 outcomes from

01:13:27.060 doing this

01:13:27.840 that you just

01:13:29.160 don't hear

01:13:29.740 talked about

01:13:30.560 in in the

01:13:32.120 mainstream media

01:13:33.220 which is really

01:13:33.920 the filter for

01:13:34.660 information for

01:13:35.460 folks and

01:13:36.940 let's just

01:13:37.260 start there

01:13:37.760 so puberty

01:13:38.400 blockers

01:13:38.880 they say

01:13:39.580 calm down

01:13:40.460 just a

01:13:40.860 pause

01:13:41.220 just a

01:13:41.680 pause

01:13:42.020 doesn't do

01:13:42.880 any harm

01:13:43.400 lets the

01:13:44.380 kid get

01:13:44.900 some time

01:13:45.320 to sort of

01:13:45.700 figure out

01:13:46.260 what he or

01:13:46.760 she wants

01:13:47.480 and that of

01:13:48.160 course ignores

01:13:48.620 the discussion

01:13:49.060 we just had

01:13:49.620 about you've

01:13:50.660 already sent

01:13:51.520 them on the

01:13:51.900 road if you're

01:13:52.340 doing social

01:13:52.760 transition

01:13:53.180 very hard for

01:13:53.800 these kids

01:13:54.160 to then turn

01:13:54.620 around and

01:13:54.920 say like

01:13:55.240 never mind

01:13:55.900 I changed

01:13:56.180 my mind

01:13:56.520 I really am

01:13:57.040 the sex

01:13:57.840 you know

01:13:58.280 that I thought

01:13:58.880 I was

01:13:59.140 originally

01:13:59.540 so it's

01:14:00.800 it is

01:14:01.200 dangerous to

01:14:01.920 go along

01:14:02.520 with okay

01:14:02.980 yeah you've

01:14:04.040 changed sexes

01:14:04.780 but now we

01:14:05.640 get to the

01:14:05.900 point of

01:14:06.200 the just

01:14:06.740 the mere

01:14:07.080 pause

01:14:07.480 can you

01:14:07.900 talk about

01:14:08.220 the puberty

01:14:08.540 blockers

01:14:08.980 yeah sure

01:14:10.580 well I

01:14:13.680 you know I

01:14:14.220 explain in my

01:14:15.040 book why

01:14:15.580 puberty is

01:14:16.180 such an

01:14:16.500 important

01:14:17.200 developmental

01:14:18.600 stage of

01:14:19.680 life

01:14:20.020 there's no

01:14:21.340 other time

01:14:22.220 in our

01:14:22.880 lives

01:14:23.420 aside from

01:14:24.960 development

01:14:25.680 in the

01:14:26.060 womb

01:14:26.380 when we

01:14:27.420 have such

01:14:28.000 a massive

01:14:28.960 such a

01:14:30.660 massive

01:14:31.200 you know

01:14:32.040 restructuring

01:14:33.300 and development

01:14:34.680 of the body

01:14:35.560 and especially

01:14:36.220 of the brain

01:14:37.000 now

01:14:38.340 the body

01:14:40.340 expects

01:14:41.440 you know

01:14:43.060 any biological

01:14:44.040 system

01:14:44.760 is a

01:14:45.740 extremely

01:14:46.480 sensitive

01:14:47.900 and

01:14:49.080 complex

01:14:50.100 to put it

01:14:50.820 lightly

01:14:51.200 system

01:14:52.640 that

01:14:53.620 we

01:14:54.480 we don't

01:14:54.960 want to

01:14:55.300 interfere with

01:14:56.060 that system

01:14:56.720 unless we

01:14:57.320 have a

01:14:57.660 really good

01:14:58.360 reason

01:14:58.920 puberty

01:15:00.300 is not

01:15:01.040 a disorder

01:15:01.740 puberty

01:15:02.660 is not

01:15:03.100 a disease

01:15:03.860 it's a

01:15:04.720 normal

01:15:05.340 process

01:15:06.180 that the

01:15:07.420 body

01:15:07.780 needs to

01:15:08.580 go through

01:15:09.140 in order

01:15:09.980 to become

01:15:10.640 an adult

01:15:11.400 the brain

01:15:13.260 especially

01:15:13.960 needs to

01:15:14.740 be exposed

01:15:15.440 to the

01:15:16.120 process

01:15:16.520 of puberty

01:15:17.100 and to

01:15:18.460 the surge

01:15:19.660 of hormones

01:15:20.840 of estrogen

01:15:21.560 and testosterone

01:15:23.160 in order

01:15:24.440 to develop

01:15:25.200 into

01:15:25.940 a mature

01:15:26.920 adult

01:15:27.560 brain

01:15:28.200 and we've

01:15:29.780 known this

01:15:30.220 for a long

01:15:30.780 time

01:15:31.260 now

01:15:32.440 doctors

01:15:33.660 are coming

01:15:34.620 in

01:15:34.920 and this

01:15:36.660 is all

01:15:37.000 based by

01:15:37.600 the way

01:15:37.880 the use

01:15:38.440 of these

01:15:38.880 blockers

01:15:39.440 and I

01:15:39.700 explain it

01:15:40.420 in great

01:15:41.220 detail

01:15:41.700 in my book

01:15:42.580 the use

01:15:43.860 of blockers

01:15:44.820 is based

01:15:45.960 on one

01:15:46.860 small

01:15:47.960 study

01:15:48.540 that came

01:15:49.840 out of

01:15:50.640 Holland

01:15:51.200 a small

01:15:54.240 study

01:15:54.720 of about

01:15:55.620 55 kids

01:15:56.940 and it's

01:15:59.360 a very

01:15:59.700 problematic

01:16:00.320 study

01:16:00.960 and that

01:16:05.080 study

01:16:05.700 was

01:16:07.340 is the

01:16:08.720 basis

01:16:09.140 for what

01:16:09.840 we're doing

01:16:10.320 now

01:16:10.720 to hundreds

01:16:12.920 of thousands

01:16:13.920 well I don't

01:16:15.040 know if it's

01:16:15.520 hundreds of

01:16:16.020 thousands

01:16:16.340 probably across

01:16:17.420 the world

01:16:17.840 it is

01:16:18.180 hundreds of

01:16:18.620 thousands

01:16:18.880 of kids

01:16:19.420 but

01:16:20.340 we don't

01:16:22.340 have

01:16:22.880 we are being

01:16:23.800 led to

01:16:24.240 believe

01:16:24.700 that the

01:16:25.640 science in

01:16:26.320 this area

01:16:26.940 is a

01:16:27.420 settled

01:16:27.760 science

01:16:28.400 and that

01:16:29.280 is simply

01:16:29.840 not true

01:16:30.560 that's one

01:16:31.080 of the

01:16:31.360 many

01:16:31.660 falsehoods

01:16:32.740 that's

01:16:33.000 one of

01:16:33.860 the pieces

01:16:34.280 of the

01:16:34.600 misinformation

01:16:35.320 that parents

01:16:36.720 are being

01:16:37.220 given

01:16:37.640 you know

01:16:38.580 by pediatricians

01:16:39.760 and endocrinologists

01:16:40.700 and by our

01:16:41.300 government

01:16:41.740 I mean

01:16:42.460 you know

01:16:43.060 the health

01:16:43.660 and human

01:16:44.020 services

01:16:44.680 our president

01:16:46.720 has come out

01:16:47.580 and said

01:16:47.980 that

01:16:48.660 you know

01:16:49.720 gender

01:16:50.480 affirming

01:16:50.880 care

01:16:51.240 that's the

01:16:51.680 only way

01:16:52.140 to go

01:16:52.460 there's a

01:16:52.840 medical

01:16:53.100 consensus

01:16:53.680 no

01:16:54.160 there is

01:16:55.120 no

01:16:55.340 medical

01:16:55.700 consensus

01:16:56.240 and you

01:16:56.720 know

01:16:56.840 I get

01:16:57.740 angry

01:16:58.160 over this

01:16:58.740 Megan

01:16:59.040 you'll have

01:16:59.600 to

01:16:59.820 forgive me

01:17:00.620 I get

01:17:01.360 angry

01:17:01.780 but you

01:17:02.160 know

01:17:02.300 what

01:17:02.580 I wake

01:17:04.440 up every

01:17:04.860 morning

01:17:05.180 and check

01:17:05.700 my email

01:17:06.320 and I

01:17:06.700 have another

01:17:07.420 bunch

01:17:07.900 of emails

01:17:09.420 from desperate

01:17:10.500 parents all

01:17:11.400 over the

01:17:11.720 country

01:17:12.100 some of them

01:17:12.860 from other

01:17:13.340 countries

01:17:13.940 and they're

01:17:15.280 telling me

01:17:16.060 they're begging

01:17:17.040 me for help

01:17:18.100 they're begging

01:17:19.100 me and they're

01:17:19.580 saying what do

01:17:20.320 I do

01:17:20.860 do I need

01:17:21.780 to give my

01:17:22.300 kids these

01:17:22.800 blockers

01:17:23.480 do I need

01:17:24.500 to affirm

01:17:25.280 them in this

01:17:25.980 opposite sex

01:17:27.480 I mean when I

01:17:28.420 finish this

01:17:29.020 interview with

01:17:29.680 right now

01:17:30.380 and I'm

01:17:31.040 going to

01:17:31.200 pick up

01:17:31.600 my phone

01:17:32.240 and check

01:17:33.080 my email

01:17:34.420 on my

01:17:34.900 phone

01:17:35.220 I'm going

01:17:35.860 to have

01:17:36.140 another 10

01:17:36.800 to 15

01:17:37.560 emails from

01:17:38.800 parents from

01:17:39.600 desperate

01:17:40.080 parents and

01:17:41.300 from siblings

01:17:42.100 and grandparents

01:17:42.960 so yeah I get

01:17:44.360 pretty emotional

01:17:45.120 about this I get

01:17:45.980 pretty angry

01:17:46.740 because there's

01:17:47.920 it's there's

01:17:49.320 there's just

01:17:50.420 a massive

01:17:53.500 misinformation

01:17:54.920 that's being

01:17:56.240 put out there

01:17:57.260 by the

01:17:58.580 establishment

01:17:59.340 the medical

01:17:59.940 establishment

01:18:00.600 and the

01:18:01.760 our government

01:18:03.320 and our

01:18:04.640 educational

01:18:05.220 system

01:18:05.820 and people

01:18:07.720 are suffering

01:18:08.700 there's massive

01:18:10.400 suffering that's

01:18:11.680 going on as a

01:18:12.560 result of this

01:18:13.240 misinformation

01:18:13.840 so yeah

01:18:15.220 just to get back

01:18:16.040 to the top of my

01:18:16.640 head

01:18:16.980 well let me just

01:18:18.000 ask you because I

01:18:18.740 don't know if you

01:18:19.040 remember this off the

01:18:19.660 top of your head but

01:18:20.240 there was a stat in

01:18:21.420 the book about how

01:18:22.620 it used to just be a

01:18:23.380 sprinkling of people

01:18:24.340 who would show up at

01:18:24.920 these gender

01:18:25.440 clinics you know

01:18:26.860 that they didn't get

01:18:27.660 many takers as

01:18:29.200 recently as like

01:18:29.880 2017 and now

01:18:31.460 there's something

01:18:32.000 like 140,000

01:18:35.240 people it might have

01:18:37.620 been girls but

01:18:38.500 people on the

01:18:39.580 waiting list to get

01:18:40.460 treated at these

01:18:41.820 gender clinics

01:18:42.640 well okay so

01:18:45.860 there's a few

01:18:46.280 different things

01:18:46.820 first of all the

01:18:47.820 largest gender

01:18:48.620 clinic in the world

01:18:49.540 is in London

01:18:50.640 it's going to be

01:18:52.020 shut down

01:18:52.600 shortly because of

01:18:54.780 the

01:18:55.100 malpractice that

01:18:57.160 was going on

01:18:57.860 there

01:18:58.100 we also know

01:19:00.360 by the way

01:19:00.940 you're probably

01:19:01.760 aware that there

01:19:02.620 was back in

01:19:03.880 February a few

01:19:04.600 months ago a

01:19:05.360 very courageous

01:19:06.140 woman whistleblower

01:19:07.660 in St.

01:19:09.060 Louis who

01:19:10.300 exposed the

01:19:12.320 terrible things

01:19:14.120 that were going

01:19:14.580 on in that

01:19:15.080 gender clinic

01:19:15.660 and I have two

01:19:16.280 chapters about

01:19:16.980 that as well

01:19:17.580 so yeah

01:19:19.980 the numbers

01:19:21.160 have exploded

01:19:22.060 just in the

01:19:23.240 past 10

01:19:25.040 years the

01:19:26.080 numbers are

01:19:26.640 up something

01:19:27.240 like 4,000

01:19:28.640 5,000 percent

01:19:30.080 increase in the

01:19:31.800 numbers of kids

01:19:32.680 that are showing

01:19:33.400 up at these

01:19:33.980 clinics if you

01:19:35.320 go on to

01:19:36.400 go fund me

01:19:37.800 and you look

01:19:38.660 at their page

01:19:39.600 of that's what

01:19:40.440 it was the

01:19:41.700 girls who are

01:19:42.480 trying to raise

01:19:43.400 money for their

01:19:44.040 bilateral mastectomase

01:19:45.320 there's something

01:19:45.820 like 47,000

01:19:47.220 girls who are

01:19:48.360 trying to raise

01:19:49.080 money to have

01:19:50.180 their healthy

01:19:50.940 breasts removed

01:19:52.640 because they've

01:19:53.420 been led to

01:19:53.920 believe that

01:19:54.620 they're going

01:19:54.900 to feel better

01:19:55.900 after that

01:19:56.960 surgery

01:19:57.400 misinformation

01:19:58.540 false

01:19:59.660 you do not

01:20:01.520 you do not

01:20:02.400 treat

01:20:02.820 I'm sorry

01:20:04.900 what

01:20:05.220 47,000 girls

01:20:07.120 trying to get

01:20:07.620 a go fund me

01:20:08.300 raise to have

01:20:09.480 their healthy

01:20:10.280 breasts chopped

01:20:10.940 off

01:20:11.220 that's right

01:20:12.520 and and

01:20:16.360 this is the

01:20:17.140 fault of

01:20:18.280 our medical

01:20:19.580 establishment

01:20:20.280 of our

01:20:21.280 sex educators

01:20:22.340 of our

01:20:23.920 educational

01:20:25.180 system

01:20:25.860 and those

01:20:27.380 parts of the

01:20:28.140 government

01:20:28.460 that have been

01:20:29.140 taken over

01:20:30.040 by this

01:20:30.460 ideology

01:20:31.060 and the

01:20:32.280 facts on the

01:20:32.960 ground

01:20:33.260 and I am

01:20:33.820 seeing these

01:20:34.280 kids and

01:20:34.720 families

01:20:35.180 every

01:20:36.040 not every

01:20:37.640 day

01:20:37.920 but six

01:20:38.740 days out

01:20:39.300 of seven

01:20:39.760 I'm seeing

01:20:40.700 these families

01:20:41.420 and the

01:20:42.660 amount of

01:20:43.460 distress

01:20:44.420 and suffering

01:20:45.380 and tears

01:20:46.240 and hopelessness

01:20:48.920 is really

01:20:50.780 you know

01:20:53.400 I don't have

01:20:54.100 words to

01:20:54.620 describe it

01:20:55.320 because in

01:20:56.580 some of

01:20:56.900 these families

01:20:57.540 where the

01:20:58.340 kids have

01:20:58.740 been indoctrinated

01:20:59.560 to think

01:21:00.120 that if their

01:21:01.220 parents don't

01:21:02.040 accept them

01:21:02.820 as their

01:21:03.680 new

01:21:03.900 persona

01:21:06.400 synthetic

01:21:07.140 persona

01:21:07.760 that their

01:21:09.220 parents are

01:21:09.800 evil people

01:21:10.560 they then

01:21:11.700 leave the

01:21:12.400 home

01:21:12.660 and they

01:21:14.540 become

01:21:15.000 estranged

01:21:15.580 from their

01:21:15.980 families

01:21:16.440 and I

01:21:17.640 have a

01:21:18.060 chapter in

01:21:18.860 the book

01:21:19.260 about the

01:21:20.800 parents

01:21:21.240 Megan

01:21:22.220 and about

01:21:22.940 their

01:21:24.040 how they

01:21:25.460 are mourning

01:21:26.200 the living

01:21:26.920 they're mourning

01:21:28.260 the loss

01:21:28.920 of their

01:21:29.240 child

01:21:29.580 and not

01:21:30.740 only that

01:21:31.320 but they

01:21:32.240 the grief

01:21:33.220 that they

01:21:33.580 have

01:21:34.080 is a

01:21:35.340 disenfranchised

01:21:36.400 grief

01:21:36.820 because they

01:21:38.360 are told

01:21:38.880 by society

01:21:39.780 by

01:21:40.280 by

01:21:41.280 you know

01:21:41.940 their

01:21:42.140 therapist

01:21:42.560 and their

01:21:43.060 pediatrician

01:21:43.800 and almost

01:21:45.040 everybody

01:21:45.820 they're told

01:21:46.880 that they're

01:21:47.420 the reason

01:21:47.880 that their

01:21:48.280 child has

01:21:49.340 this problem

01:21:49.960 they're the

01:21:51.600 bad guy

01:21:52.200 they need to

01:21:53.420 wake up

01:21:53.920 and understand

01:21:54.520 that their

01:21:55.340 child was born

01:21:56.140 in the wrong

01:21:56.580 body

01:21:56.980 and they need

01:21:57.800 to accept

01:21:58.300 that

01:21:58.640 and they need

01:22:00.240 to bury

01:22:00.780 their daughter

01:22:01.420 and embrace

01:22:02.400 their new

01:22:02.860 son

01:22:03.220 so

01:22:04.520 and the

01:22:05.160 procedures

01:22:06.000 again just

01:22:07.640 for the

01:22:07.900 listening audience

01:22:08.460 the book is

01:22:08.920 called Lost

01:22:09.440 in Transnation

01:22:10.260 I hope

01:22:10.760 everyone

01:22:11.180 buys it

01:22:11.640 Lost in Transnation

01:22:12.600 Dr. Miriam

01:22:13.240 Grossman

01:22:13.620 but the

01:22:14.440 procedures

01:22:14.920 you outline

01:22:15.740 in the book

01:22:16.260 you're talking

01:22:17.340 about if you

01:22:17.940 go from

01:22:18.340 puberty blockers

01:22:19.100 to cross-sex

01:22:19.640 hormones

01:22:20.000 as a boy

01:22:21.960 you're a boy

01:22:23.260 who's confused

01:22:23.980 and thinks

01:22:24.360 you're a girl

01:22:24.920 you're likely

01:22:27.160 looking at a

01:22:27.800 penis that will

01:22:28.320 never work again

01:22:29.060 like you

01:22:29.660 if you decide

01:22:30.460 you made a

01:22:30.800 mistake

01:22:31.100 and you

01:22:31.840 just want

01:22:32.260 to be a

01:22:32.800 boy again

01:22:33.460 and not

01:22:33.940 live as a girl

01:22:34.780 good luck

01:22:36.260 the outcome

01:22:37.760 is devastating

01:22:38.260 that is

01:22:40.140 correct

01:22:40.560 so the

01:22:41.520 guidelines

01:22:42.200 so to speak

01:22:43.120 guidelines

01:22:43.820 that are

01:22:44.600 that have

01:22:45.760 been

01:22:46.100 given to

01:22:47.900 us by

01:22:48.520 these major

01:22:49.480 medical

01:22:49.860 associations

01:22:50.460 like the

01:22:51.460 Endocrine Society

01:22:52.340 and the

01:22:52.600 American Academy

01:22:53.140 of Pediatrics

01:22:54.480 call for

01:22:55.860 the intervention

01:22:57.980 the early

01:22:58.980 intervention

01:22:59.640 at the start

01:23:01.220 of puberty

01:23:01.960 now puberty

01:23:03.520 can start

01:23:04.140 in some

01:23:04.640 kids as

01:23:05.220 early as

01:23:05.700 eight or

01:23:06.020 nine years

01:23:06.480 old

01:23:06.720 but even

01:23:07.760 if puberty

01:23:08.420 is starting

01:23:09.000 at 11

01:23:09.900 or 12

01:23:10.700 if in a

01:23:11.900 boy

01:23:12.260 if you

01:23:13.360 you know

01:23:16.280 if you

01:23:17.380 give that

01:23:19.020 kid

01:23:19.600 puberty

01:23:20.140 blockers

01:23:20.880 so that

01:23:21.720 his body

01:23:22.500 is never

01:23:23.120 exposed to

01:23:24.040 the surge

01:23:24.520 of testosterone

01:23:25.300 that it's

01:23:25.800 waiting for

01:23:26.660 then he

01:23:27.880 will never

01:23:28.460 develop

01:23:29.100 mature

01:23:30.100 sperm

01:23:30.700 he will

01:23:31.880 never

01:23:32.260 he will

01:23:32.800 he will

01:23:33.100 be infertile

01:23:33.840 he will

01:23:34.760 never be

01:23:35.300 able to

01:23:35.760 have

01:23:36.020 biological

01:23:36.500 children

01:23:37.060 and in

01:23:38.680 addition to

01:23:39.240 that

01:23:39.480 what we're

01:23:41.340 learning now

01:23:42.040 what we've

01:23:42.840 learned from

01:23:43.500 Dr. Marcy

01:23:44.360 Bowers

01:23:44.920 who is

01:23:46.300 probably the

01:23:47.300 most prominent

01:23:48.040 gender

01:23:50.340 surgeon

01:23:50.840 in the

01:23:51.960 country

01:23:52.300 if not

01:23:52.680 the world

01:23:53.320 Dr.

01:23:55.060 Bowers

01:23:55.620 recently

01:23:56.540 admitted

01:23:57.520 that in

01:23:58.420 those

01:23:58.740 boys

01:23:59.680 will never

01:24:00.440 be able

01:24:00.880 to orgasm

01:24:01.580 because

01:24:02.640 as I

01:24:05.020 was saying

01:24:05.560 puberty

01:24:07.220 is necessary

01:24:08.300 to

01:24:08.960 become a

01:24:11.340 functioning

01:24:11.800 adult

01:24:12.240 and that

01:24:13.180 includes

01:24:13.840 to have

01:24:15.080 a normal

01:24:15.760 sexual

01:24:16.600 response

01:24:17.340 for your

01:24:18.120 body to

01:24:19.480 be aroused

01:24:20.300 normally

01:24:20.860 and to

01:24:21.700 respond

01:24:22.220 normally

01:24:23.020 to sexuality

01:24:23.840 so what

01:24:25.200 we are

01:24:25.500 doing over

01:24:26.280 here

01:24:26.640 is

01:24:27.320 these

01:24:27.920 kids

01:24:28.300 whose

01:24:29.840 parents

01:24:30.640 are

01:24:30.940 agreeing

01:24:31.560 and

01:24:32.280 they're

01:24:32.440 agreeing

01:24:32.880 because

01:24:33.280 they're

01:24:33.480 afraid

01:24:33.780 that the

01:24:34.120 kid

01:24:34.320 will

01:24:34.620 commit

01:24:35.380 suicide

01:24:35.940 I'm not

01:24:36.720 blaming

01:24:37.100 these

01:24:37.420 parents

01:24:37.780 they're

01:24:38.040 being

01:24:38.340 misinformed

01:24:40.440 by everyone

01:24:41.580 by all

01:24:42.120 their trusted

01:24:42.560 officials

01:24:43.040 they're

01:24:44.500 being

01:24:44.740 emotionally

01:24:45.320 manipulated

01:24:46.240 to do

01:24:47.140 this to

01:24:47.540 their

01:24:47.720 kids

01:24:48.180 and then

01:24:48.700 lo and

01:24:49.160 behold

01:24:49.540 they might

01:24:50.560 realize

01:24:51.060 a few

01:24:51.440 years

01:24:51.660 later

01:24:51.960 because

01:24:52.280 it's

01:24:52.480 not

01:24:52.760 I

01:24:53.580 don't

01:24:53.900 know

01:24:54.020 how

01:24:54.220 much

01:24:54.460 this

01:24:54.680 is

01:24:54.840 part

01:24:55.040 of

01:24:55.140 the

01:24:55.260 informed

01:24:55.640 consent

01:24:56.200 that

01:24:56.780 parents

01:24:57.140 are

01:24:57.300 being

01:24:57.520 told

01:24:57.960 that

01:24:58.520 your

01:24:58.720 kid

01:24:59.000 is

01:24:59.140 never

01:24:59.360 going

01:24:59.580 to

01:25:00.620 experience

01:25:01.420 normal

01:25:01.980 sexual

01:25:02.580 function

01:25:03.660 if your

01:25:04.460 boy

01:25:04.760 decides

01:25:05.160 he really

01:25:05.460 was a

01:25:05.820 boy

01:25:06.060 he's

01:25:06.340 never

01:25:06.500 going

01:25:06.620 to be

01:25:06.740 able to

01:25:06.920 get

01:25:07.040 an

01:25:07.160 erection

01:25:07.480 he's

01:25:07.760 never

01:25:07.900 going

01:25:08.020 to be

01:25:08.160 able

01:25:08.240 to have

01:25:08.400 an

01:25:08.500 orgasm

01:25:08.920 he's

01:25:09.100 never

01:25:09.200 going

01:25:09.320 to be

01:25:09.440 able

01:25:09.540 to have

01:25:09.720 a

01:25:09.820 child

01:25:10.060 of

01:25:10.200 his

01:25:10.320 own

01:25:10.520 I

01:25:10.920 mean

01:25:11.040 my

01:25:11.220 god

01:25:11.600 my

01:25:12.100 god

01:25:12.540 over

01:25:13.480 somebody

01:25:13.840 who

01:25:14.020 might

01:25:14.200 just

01:25:14.360 be

01:25:14.500 having

01:25:14.700 a

01:25:15.000 momentary

01:25:15.740 confusion

01:25:16.380 because

01:25:17.120 he's

01:25:17.400 depressed

01:25:17.920 or

01:25:18.500 because

01:25:18.740 his

01:25:18.960 friends

01:25:19.220 are

01:25:19.380 doing

01:25:19.600 it

01:25:19.720 my

01:25:19.860 in

01:25:20.480 the

01:25:21.040 authorities

01:25:22.180 you

01:25:22.460 trust

01:25:22.760 in

01:25:22.880 your

01:25:23.000 life

01:25:23.280 your

01:25:23.500 doctor

01:25:23.980 your

01:25:24.200 pediatrician

01:25:24.880 your

01:25:25.300 endocrinologist

01:25:25.920 you might

01:25:26.320 seek

01:25:26.640 out

01:25:27.260 of

01:25:27.500 a

01:25:27.740 child

01:25:28.120 psychiatrist

01:25:28.580 are

01:25:28.820 all

01:25:29.220 telling

01:25:29.620 you

01:25:29.820 do

01:25:30.120 it

01:25:30.380 do

01:25:30.940 it

01:25:31.280 it's

01:25:32.020 that's

01:25:32.860 why

01:25:32.960 I

01:25:33.060 said

01:25:33.180 the

01:25:33.300 other

01:25:33.420 it's

01:25:33.660 a

01:25:33.800 five

01:25:34.060 alarm

01:25:34.380 fire

01:25:34.960 right

01:25:35.360 now

01:25:35.600 this

01:25:35.880 is

01:25:36.220 to

01:25:37.320 be

01:25:37.640 judged

01:25:38.200 by

01:25:38.460 these

01:25:38.640 people

01:25:38.840 on

01:25:38.980 the

01:25:39.080 air

01:25:39.280 who

01:25:39.380 are

01:25:39.400 like

01:25:39.500 oh

01:25:39.620 you're

01:25:39.840 just

01:25:40.040 a

01:25:40.180 transphobe

01:25:40.820 if

01:25:41.080 you

01:25:41.180 don't

01:25:41.320 see

01:25:41.460 it

01:25:41.560 the

01:25:41.640 way

01:25:41.760 no

01:25:42.300 you

01:25:42.900 are

01:25:43.160 missing

01:25:43.740 the

01:25:44.000 severe

01:25:44.700 damage

01:25:45.260 we

01:25:45.480 are

01:25:53.280 forgive

01:25:53.760 me

01:25:53.980 I've

01:25:54.220 got

01:25:54.360 to

01:25:54.480 squeeze

01:25:54.680 in

01:25:54.880 a

01:25:55.080 quick

01:25:55.280 break

01:25:55.640 there's

01:25:56.320 so

01:25:56.440 much

01:25:56.600 more

01:25:56.740 to

01:25:56.860 discuss

01:25:57.280 with

01:25:57.800 Dr.

01:25:58.140 Grossman

01:25:58.480 after

01:25:59.000 this

01:25:59.260 don't

01:25:59.500 forget

01:25:59.760 the

01:25:59.960 book

01:26:00.120 is

01:26:00.260 lost

01:26:00.700 in

01:26:01.380 trans

01:26:01.820 nation

01:26:02.240 oh

01:26:02.960 I'm

01:26:04.120 feeling

01:26:04.340 that

01:26:04.560 pit

01:26:04.820 in

01:26:04.920 my

01:26:05.060 stomach

01:26:05.340 and

01:26:05.520 I'm

01:26:05.660 sure

01:26:05.860 you

01:26:06.060 are

01:26:06.220 too

01:26:06.480 so

01:26:09.740 doctor

01:26:10.260 you

01:26:10.440 get

01:26:10.620 into

01:26:10.820 specific

01:26:11.260 examples

01:26:11.860 in

01:26:12.640 the

01:26:12.840 book

01:26:13.120 and

01:26:13.580 the

01:26:13.720 one

01:26:13.880 that

01:26:14.040 stayed

01:26:14.240 with

01:26:14.440 me

01:26:14.620 was

01:26:14.860 the

01:26:15.020 story

01:26:15.340 of

01:26:15.700 Jake

01:26:16.380 and

01:26:17.300 what

01:26:17.460 happened

01:26:17.780 to

01:26:18.020 Jake

01:26:18.380 this

01:26:18.840 goes

01:26:19.080 to

01:26:19.240 a

01:26:19.400 dark

01:26:19.640 place

01:26:20.120 but

01:26:20.840 Jake

01:26:21.020 is

01:26:21.160 not

01:26:21.320 alone

01:26:21.620 can

01:26:21.980 you

01:26:22.160 talk

01:26:22.620 about

01:26:22.880 that

01:26:23.240 sure

01:26:24.300 um

01:26:25.280 Jake

01:26:26.000 is

01:26:26.520 my

01:26:27.580 patient

01:26:28.060 who

01:26:28.500 uh

01:26:30.200 well

01:26:31.980 let me

01:26:32.680 first

01:26:33.000 say

01:26:33.280 that

01:26:33.600 uh

01:26:34.540 you

01:26:34.920 know

01:26:35.080 all

01:26:35.420 the

01:26:35.920 identifying

01:26:36.480 details

01:26:37.100 uh

01:26:37.920 of course

01:26:38.700 have

01:26:39.040 been

01:26:39.220 changed

01:26:39.680 sure

01:26:40.460 um

01:26:40.940 for

01:26:42.160 purposes

01:26:42.600 of

01:26:43.000 confidentiality

01:26:43.940 but

01:26:45.540 uh

01:26:46.060 Jake

01:26:46.280 is

01:26:46.480 someone

01:26:46.800 who

01:26:47.300 unfortunately

01:26:48.080 uh

01:26:48.820 was

01:26:50.940 convinced

01:26:51.560 uh

01:26:52.180 by

01:26:52.640 uh

01:26:54.180 medical

01:26:55.560 providers

01:26:56.240 and

01:26:56.880 therapists

01:26:57.680 uh

01:26:58.880 and his

01:26:59.560 lgbt

01:27:00.320 group

01:27:01.860 of

01:27:02.080 friends

01:27:02.560 um

01:27:03.780 that

01:27:04.420 that he

01:27:05.280 that the

01:27:05.860 answer

01:27:06.220 to his

01:27:06.920 psychiatric

01:27:08.080 issues

01:27:08.800 which

01:27:09.240 are

01:27:09.980 very

01:27:10.240 many

01:27:10.600 um

01:27:11.720 would

01:27:12.220 be

01:27:12.460 to

01:27:13.000 transition

01:27:15.340 quote

01:27:15.960 unquote

01:27:16.360 to

01:27:17.300 living

01:27:17.660 as

01:27:18.100 a

01:27:18.440 woman

01:27:18.880 and

01:27:19.240 so

01:27:19.600 he

01:27:20.280 went

01:27:20.560 through

01:27:20.960 uh

01:27:21.720 went

01:27:22.180 on

01:27:22.400 to

01:27:22.560 estrogen

01:27:23.080 um

01:27:24.400 and

01:27:24.920 also

01:27:25.320 had

01:27:25.880 a

01:27:26.980 vaginoplasty

01:27:27.980 which

01:27:28.580 is

01:27:29.080 a

01:27:29.800 surgical

01:27:30.200 procedure

01:27:31.180 in which

01:27:32.300 the penis

01:27:33.120 is

01:27:33.800 uh

01:27:34.720 inverted

01:27:36.680 and

01:27:37.440 the skin

01:27:38.160 well

01:27:39.040 it starts

01:27:39.820 with being

01:27:40.220 castrated

01:27:40.780 so

01:27:41.140 the testicles

01:27:42.340 are removed

01:27:43.280 and then

01:27:43.840 the skin

01:27:44.820 um

01:27:45.520 the scrotal

01:27:46.520 skin

01:27:46.980 and the

01:27:47.420 skin

01:27:47.600 of the

01:27:47.900 penis

01:27:48.280 are used

01:27:49.520 to create

01:27:50.460 um

01:27:51.300 uh

01:27:52.200 sort of

01:27:52.700 a

01:27:52.960 a vault

01:27:54.240 you know

01:27:54.940 an opening

01:27:55.600 and a

01:27:56.520 canal

01:27:57.020 um

01:27:58.080 they you know

01:27:59.580 they call it

01:28:00.240 a vagina

01:28:00.940 but you know

01:28:01.820 it's obviously

01:28:02.520 not a vagina

01:28:03.220 so

01:28:04.720 uh

01:28:05.560 jake went

01:28:06.520 through that

01:28:07.120 and realized

01:28:08.240 soon afterwards

01:28:09.080 that

01:28:09.600 uh

01:28:10.680 it

01:28:11.040 it

01:28:11.120 it was

01:28:11.560 not at

01:28:11.960 all

01:28:12.240 helping

01:28:14.200 his psychiatric

01:28:15.000 issues

01:28:15.380 in fact

01:28:15.820 they were

01:28:16.100 getting

01:28:16.320 worse

01:28:16.800 and he

01:28:18.140 realized

01:28:18.600 that he

01:28:18.980 had just

01:28:19.400 been

01:28:19.800 sucked

01:28:21.080 into this

01:28:21.640 ideology

01:28:22.220 that he

01:28:22.640 was a

01:28:22.900 victim

01:28:23.160 of it

01:28:23.600 and

01:28:24.580 uh

01:28:25.120 sadly

01:28:25.600 uh

01:28:26.240 he now

01:28:26.980 has

01:28:27.680 neither

01:28:28.400 a penis

01:28:28.920 or a vagina

01:28:29.640 because you

01:28:31.900 have to work

01:28:32.340 tirelessly

01:28:32.920 to keep

01:28:33.560 the opening

01:28:34.220 open

01:28:34.860 and if you

01:28:35.960 don't do

01:28:36.340 that

01:28:36.680 it closes

01:28:37.400 up

01:28:37.840 that's

01:28:38.560 that's

01:28:38.980 correct

01:28:39.220 you see

01:28:39.580 what happens

01:28:40.180 yeah

01:28:40.880 when a

01:28:41.920 a

01:28:42.500 a faux

01:28:43.240 a faux

01:28:43.740 vagina

01:28:44.220 is created

01:28:45.100 by surgeons

01:28:45.880 um

01:28:47.060 the body

01:28:47.800 sees it

01:28:48.620 as a wound

01:28:49.680 and when

01:28:51.280 the body

01:28:51.740 senses that

01:28:52.520 there's a wound

01:28:53.260 its reaction

01:28:54.580 is to close

01:28:55.540 up as

01:28:56.020 as you know

01:28:56.680 you get a

01:28:57.300 cut you know

01:28:58.040 on your hand

01:28:58.760 or a burn

01:28:59.300 or something

01:28:59.780 the reaction

01:29:00.880 is to

01:29:01.620 to to

01:29:02.500 close up

01:29:03.000 that wound

01:29:03.560 um

01:29:04.560 and so

01:29:05.260 the the

01:29:06.540 the faux

01:29:07.780 vagina

01:29:08.360 in order

01:29:08.960 to prevent

01:29:09.620 it from

01:29:10.040 closing

01:29:10.480 um

01:29:11.560 the

01:29:11.960 individual

01:29:12.600 has to

01:29:13.440 dilate

01:29:14.920 uh

01:29:15.500 and they

01:29:15.720 have to

01:29:16.060 you know

01:29:16.580 so they

01:29:16.880 use a

01:29:17.520 device

01:29:18.000 and they

01:29:18.460 insert it

01:29:19.140 into their

01:29:19.780 faux

01:29:20.500 vagina

01:29:20.920 and um

01:29:22.480 this has

01:29:23.480 to be done

01:29:24.060 regularly

01:29:25.060 initially

01:29:25.620 a few

01:29:26.240 times a

01:29:26.740 day

01:29:26.940 it's

01:29:27.260 very

01:29:27.860 very

01:29:28.560 painful

01:29:29.100 to do

01:29:29.680 so

01:29:31.060 what happened

01:29:31.780 with jake

01:29:32.360 is that

01:29:32.800 he was

01:29:33.400 he was

01:29:34.620 dilating

01:29:35.280 um

01:29:36.020 but then

01:29:37.000 when

01:29:37.300 you know

01:29:38.420 he realized

01:29:39.220 that this

01:29:40.100 is this

01:29:40.580 isn't who

01:29:41.080 he was

01:29:41.620 he's not

01:29:42.020 a woman

01:29:42.400 he'll never

01:29:42.880 be a woman

01:29:43.460 um

01:29:44.380 he stopped

01:29:45.160 dilating

01:29:45.660 it was also

01:29:46.160 very painful

01:29:47.240 to dilate

01:29:47.960 and so

01:29:49.160 his

01:29:49.540 faux

01:29:50.960 vagina

01:29:51.440 closed up

01:29:52.340 and so

01:29:53.500 now he

01:29:54.180 he has

01:29:54.960 neither

01:29:55.260 and so

01:29:55.960 you know

01:29:57.040 and he's

01:29:58.760 not he's

01:29:59.420 not at all

01:30:00.260 the only

01:30:00.700 person

01:30:01.200 who this

01:30:02.080 has happened

01:30:02.540 to

01:30:03.400 uh

01:30:03.760 you know

01:30:04.260 there's a

01:30:04.600 whole community

01:30:05.360 unfortunately

01:30:06.460 sadly

01:30:07.560 there's a

01:30:08.080 community

01:30:08.520 of

01:30:09.040 of

01:30:09.800 people

01:30:10.080 like

01:30:10.400 jake

01:30:10.800 uh

01:30:11.660 de-transitioners

01:30:13.280 uh

01:30:14.000 not all of

01:30:14.760 them have

01:30:15.100 been through

01:30:15.500 such

01:30:15.920 uh

01:30:16.880 extreme

01:30:17.360 surgeries

01:30:17.940 but many

01:30:18.480 of them

01:30:18.760 have

01:30:19.060 and

01:30:20.180 if you

01:30:20.620 go on

01:30:21.120 to

01:30:21.280 reddit

01:30:21.760 for example

01:30:22.520 um

01:30:23.720 reddit

01:30:24.940 dot com

01:30:26.080 there's a

01:30:26.580 there's a

01:30:27.140 de-trans

01:30:27.960 uh

01:30:28.980 thread

01:30:29.800 or a

01:30:30.780 subreddit

01:30:31.460 and there's

01:30:32.860 uh

01:30:33.380 i mean

01:30:33.920 i haven't

01:30:34.500 checked

01:30:34.760 recently

01:30:35.220 but i

01:30:35.580 think

01:30:35.740 there's

01:30:35.900 something

01:30:36.060 like

01:30:36.300 50,000

01:30:36.960 people

01:30:37.360 on there

01:30:37.860 who are

01:30:38.720 ready

01:30:39.160 we're

01:30:39.440 told

01:30:39.640 it's

01:30:39.800 just a

01:30:40.080 handful

01:30:40.400 just a

01:30:40.800 handful

01:30:41.020 of

01:30:41.160 people

01:30:41.320 who

01:30:41.500 regret

01:30:41.840 it's

01:30:42.100 not

01:30:42.280 true

01:30:42.620 the

01:30:43.460 it's

01:30:44.020 interesting

01:30:44.340 how you

01:30:44.720 say

01:30:44.900 the body

01:30:45.360 the body

01:30:46.560 identifies

01:30:47.080 it as

01:30:47.620 a wound

01:30:48.080 the body's

01:30:49.100 right

01:30:49.360 it is

01:30:50.580 a wound

01:30:50.980 the body's

01:30:51.980 right to

01:30:52.260 try to

01:30:52.540 heal it

01:30:52.840 the body

01:30:53.220 knows

01:30:53.660 if only

01:30:54.460 our minds

01:30:55.100 could do

01:30:55.960 the same

01:30:56.400 and be

01:30:56.980 as

01:30:57.180 proactive

01:30:57.640 in

01:30:57.900 healing

01:30:58.240 these

01:30:59.560 other wounds

01:31:00.100 that are

01:31:00.360 leading to

01:31:00.780 this confusion

01:31:01.420 you know

01:31:02.000 instead we

01:31:02.720 intervene

01:31:03.180 just like we

01:31:03.800 do on the

01:31:04.120 body

01:31:04.380 and block

01:31:05.580 it

01:31:05.820 um

01:31:06.780 i can i ask

01:31:07.700 you just to

01:31:08.100 shift gears

01:31:08.580 because the

01:31:09.180 part of what's

01:31:10.320 so compelling

01:31:10.840 about the book

01:31:11.580 is those

01:31:11.900 medical stories

01:31:12.580 i mean i had

01:31:13.020 no idea

01:31:13.480 and people

01:31:14.200 are paying

01:31:14.880 now to

01:31:15.300 make themselves

01:31:16.060 into eunuchs

01:31:16.780 voluntarily

01:31:17.400 um

01:31:18.440 i read

01:31:18.980 recently

01:31:19.200 people are

01:31:19.700 people are

01:31:20.360 paying to

01:31:20.660 have their

01:31:20.940 nipples

01:31:21.280 removed

01:31:21.780 their belly

01:31:22.320 buttons

01:31:22.680 removed

01:31:23.180 they're just

01:31:24.000 trying to

01:31:24.320 turn themselves

01:31:24.840 into something

01:31:25.440 that is

01:31:25.760 non-human

01:31:26.580 and doctors

01:31:27.680 are doing

01:31:28.360 it

01:31:28.680 oh yeah

01:31:30.680 oh doctors

01:31:31.640 are are

01:31:32.540 are happy

01:31:33.640 to do it

01:31:34.100 apparently

01:31:34.500 but i think

01:31:35.500 that you know

01:31:36.520 the take-home

01:31:37.120 lesson here

01:31:37.680 isn't so much

01:31:38.340 you know

01:31:38.700 that the

01:31:39.000 kids are

01:31:39.780 the kids

01:31:40.580 are suffering

01:31:41.120 the kids

01:31:41.480 are mixed

01:31:42.000 up

01:31:42.520 the kids

01:31:43.520 don't know

01:31:44.100 who they

01:31:44.480 are because

01:31:45.520 they're being

01:31:46.120 told

01:31:46.660 they're being

01:31:47.080 inundated

01:31:47.740 with this

01:31:48.200 idea

01:31:48.640 of of

01:31:49.760 celebrating

01:31:50.580 confusion

01:31:51.580 and celebrating

01:31:53.180 um

01:31:54.340 you know

01:31:55.160 denying

01:31:55.720 reality

01:31:56.380 we

01:31:56.780 and that's

01:31:57.660 why parents

01:31:58.380 have to

01:31:58.780 represent

01:31:59.220 reality

01:31:59.940 okay let me

01:32:01.320 ask about that

01:32:01.900 let me ask you

01:32:02.660 about the

01:32:03.080 the pronoun

01:32:03.680 issue in this

01:32:04.380 context

01:32:04.780 um

01:32:05.920 because i know

01:32:06.480 you've spoken

01:32:06.860 out about it

01:32:07.360 and i talked

01:32:08.060 about it

01:32:08.360 recently

01:32:08.680 and and i

01:32:09.480 was struck

01:32:09.880 because when

01:32:10.880 twitter showed

01:32:11.860 what is a

01:32:12.700 woman

01:32:12.960 in which you

01:32:14.200 were wonderful

01:32:14.740 and so

01:32:15.180 influential

01:32:15.660 it originally

01:32:17.200 said no

01:32:17.600 we're not

01:32:17.880 going to

01:32:18.060 show it

01:32:18.300 because in

01:32:18.880 two instances

01:32:19.440 someone is

01:32:20.120 quote misgendered

01:32:21.160 which is a

01:32:21.640 misnomer in

01:32:22.280 and of itself

01:32:22.760 what misgendered

01:32:24.000 means is we've

01:32:24.840 gone with their

01:32:25.240 actual gender

01:32:25.960 um and he

01:32:28.640 said i wrote

01:32:30.020 it down he

01:32:30.660 said i should

01:32:31.260 know elon said

01:32:32.000 we are going

01:32:32.360 to show it

01:32:32.740 the twitter

01:32:33.800 minions were

01:32:34.340 wrong but he

01:32:35.140 said i should

01:32:35.540 note that i do

01:32:36.060 personally use

01:32:36.700 someone's preferred

01:32:37.380 pronouns just as

01:32:38.260 i use someone's

01:32:38.860 preferred name

01:32:39.500 simply from the

01:32:40.460 standpoint of

01:32:41.040 good manners

01:32:41.740 is he right

01:32:43.260 can you speak

01:32:44.240 about the good

01:32:44.660 manners thing

01:32:45.660 yeah yeah i

01:32:48.000 thought about

01:32:48.640 this for so

01:32:49.500 long uh what

01:32:50.940 to do in my

01:32:51.580 book with the

01:32:52.180 pronouns i

01:32:53.260 really did i

01:32:55.080 thought about it

01:32:55.900 i talked to

01:32:56.500 people and my

01:32:58.960 thinking was

01:32:59.540 this you know

01:33:00.780 if if we were

01:33:01.840 if it was 10

01:33:02.760 15 years ago

01:33:03.920 before the uh

01:33:05.260 the current

01:33:06.060 disaster that

01:33:07.480 we're in uh

01:33:08.880 uh the epidemic

01:33:10.520 of kids who

01:33:11.480 are have been

01:33:12.620 sucked into this

01:33:13.600 i of course

01:33:14.680 i would use

01:33:15.540 someone's

01:33:16.900 preferred name

01:33:17.820 and preferred

01:33:18.340 pronouns you

01:33:19.680 know i'm i'm

01:33:20.960 a compassionate

01:33:21.640 person i

01:33:23.020 wouldn't have

01:33:23.420 gone into

01:33:24.100 psychiatry and

01:33:25.360 child psychiatry

01:33:26.360 if i wasn't

01:33:28.640 drawn into

01:33:30.020 having a role

01:33:31.700 in people's

01:33:32.440 lives and you

01:33:33.620 know helping

01:33:34.000 them to feel

01:33:34.640 better and

01:33:35.780 being there for

01:33:36.560 them as a

01:33:37.480 understanding and

01:33:38.880 compassionate

01:33:39.460 person but we're

01:33:41.260 living in different

01:33:42.260 times right now

01:33:43.600 we're living

01:33:44.760 during this

01:33:46.080 time of

01:33:46.940 insanity of

01:33:48.760 celebrating the

01:33:50.020 denial of

01:33:51.020 reality and the

01:33:51.860 denial of

01:33:52.440 biology and

01:33:53.660 kids are paying

01:33:54.540 a terrible price

01:33:55.460 for that so

01:33:56.080 i decided that

01:33:57.820 i would not

01:33:58.840 use pronouns

01:33:59.880 at all for

01:34:01.520 transgender

01:34:02.260 identifying

01:34:03.060 individuals that

01:34:04.060 i discussed

01:34:04.760 um which is a

01:34:06.380 cumbersome thing

01:34:07.240 but i decided

01:34:08.180 to do it

01:34:08.760 because you

01:34:09.700 see if i

01:34:10.520 call uh

01:34:12.500 someone like

01:34:13.400 admiral dr

01:34:15.140 levine if i

01:34:16.620 call if i

01:34:18.440 use pronouns

01:34:19.260 her and

01:34:20.000 she then

01:34:21.460 i'm giving a

01:34:22.800 message to

01:34:23.660 all the

01:34:24.780 young boys

01:34:25.500 out there

01:34:26.080 8 10

01:34:27.060 12 years

01:34:28.120 old 15

01:34:28.800 years old

01:34:29.380 20 years

01:34:30.240 old that

01:34:31.340 they too

01:34:32.400 can be

01:34:34.600 considered

01:34:35.660 by society

01:34:37.020 to be

01:34:38.360 to be

01:34:39.020 female

01:34:39.460 and

01:34:40.680 that's not

01:34:42.180 a favor

01:34:42.720 i'm not

01:34:43.220 doing them

01:34:43.640 a favor

01:34:44.140 by that

01:34:44.680 and so

01:34:46.020 you know

01:34:46.960 i decided

01:34:47.800 against it

01:34:48.940 and i

01:34:49.380 and i do

01:34:49.820 not use

01:34:50.560 preferred

01:34:51.000 pronouns

01:34:51.520 in my book

01:34:52.220 it's not

01:34:53.440 it's not

01:34:54.300 good manners

01:34:54.960 it actually

01:34:55.700 is harmful

01:34:56.560 this is what

01:34:57.360 i came to

01:34:58.500 see as well

01:34:59.080 you you

01:35:00.300 actually are

01:35:01.020 part of the

01:35:01.580 problem it's

01:35:02.140 not a kind

01:35:02.660 and generous

01:35:03.100 thing to do

01:35:03.800 it's adding

01:35:04.620 as we've been

01:35:05.860 discussing to

01:35:06.580 children's distress

01:35:07.580 so the final

01:35:10.040 takeaway and

01:35:10.940 the book again

01:35:11.440 is lost in

01:35:12.100 translation a

01:35:12.860 child psychiatrist

01:35:13.640 guide out of

01:35:14.860 the madness

01:35:15.300 it's available

01:35:16.240 right now it's

01:35:16.700 out next month

01:35:17.320 but you can

01:35:17.740 pre-order on

01:35:18.360 amazon right

01:35:18.900 now um

01:35:20.120 what's the

01:35:20.640 what's the

01:35:21.140 last thing

01:35:21.620 in the you

01:35:22.320 know 30

01:35:22.860 seconds we

01:35:23.300 have left

01:35:23.720 that you

01:35:24.220 want to

01:35:24.440 leave parents

01:35:25.120 with

01:35:25.360 the last

01:35:26.240 thing that i

01:35:26.800 want to say

01:35:27.340 is that no

01:35:28.080 family is immune

01:35:29.200 um and that

01:35:31.140 parents need to

01:35:32.600 get educated

01:35:33.920 and be prepared

01:35:35.180 for this issue

01:35:36.620 to hit their

01:35:38.180 home and they

01:35:39.380 can be prepared

01:35:40.360 and educated

01:35:40.980 you don't need

01:35:41.660 a phd you just

01:35:43.060 need common

01:35:43.700 sense

01:35:44.220 and this is the

01:35:46.060 guide finally

01:35:46.820 someone's written

01:35:47.460 the guide to

01:35:48.320 help us do

01:35:48.800 that god bless

01:35:50.260 you thank you

01:35:50.920 so much doc it's

01:35:51.860 wonderful to meet

01:35:52.820 you i hope you'll

01:35:53.340 come back

01:35:53.820 oh i will

01:35:55.260 thank you

01:35:55.760 wow she

01:35:57.840 certainly helped

01:35:58.340 me when i

01:35:58.800 watched what

01:35:59.480 is a woman

01:35:59.900 i've been trying

01:36:00.700 to get her on

01:36:01.100 ever since uh

01:36:02.060 and you can

01:36:02.400 see why wow

01:36:03.340 we're going to

01:36:04.320 continue our

01:36:05.020 discussion though

01:36:05.940 on different

01:36:06.560 issues tomorrow

01:36:07.360 when adam carolla

01:36:08.960 comes back to

01:36:09.660 the show one of

01:36:10.220 our very favorites

01:36:11.060 hope you enjoyed

01:36:11.780 today's discussions

01:36:12.560 wow she's given

01:36:13.920 us a lot to

01:36:14.420 think about

01:36:14.780 thanks for

01:36:15.640 listening

01:36:15.900 thanks for

01:36:19.780 listening to the

01:36:20.360 megan kelly show

01:36:21.160 no bs no

01:36:22.420 agenda and no

01:36:23.660 fear

01:36:23.960 no bs no

01:36:29.460 no bs no

01:36:29.880 for

01:36:30.400 hab

01:36:30.740 no

01:36:31.140 no

01:36:31.980 in

01:36:32.300 ama

01:36:34.540 igt

The Megyn Kelly Show - June 08, 2023

Fox's Post-Tucker Crisis, Harry's Media Vendetta, and Harms of Gender ＂Transition,＂ with Chadwick Moore, Dr. Miriam Grossman, and Nile Gardiner ｜ Ep. 568

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