The Megyn Kelly Show - October 31, 2026


Frat Bro Dropped in Cornell 7 Lawsuit, Press Sec Not a Lawyer, and Clancy Holdout Juror Speaks： Positively Legal

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00:02:34.580 Hello and welcome to Positively Legal.
00:02:38.160 I'm Mark Iglar, one of your hosts.
00:02:40.700 And, well, my bio says that I'm a former prosecutor, adjunct law professor.
00:02:46.940 That's right, I teach advanced trial advocacy.
00:02:50.340 And I'm a veteran criminal defense attorney.
00:02:52.820 I'm father of three.
00:02:54.020 I wrote a book about happiness.
00:02:56.000 And the best thing is that I'm co-host of a show called Positively Legal with Jonna Spilbore.
00:03:02.960 That's you.
00:03:03.540 That's the cue.
00:03:04.540 That's when you speak.
00:03:05.480 Is that my cue?
00:03:06.640 Oh, oh.
00:03:07.060 Yeah, that would be it.
00:03:07.880 Your name.
00:03:08.120 So I guess I am Jonna Spilbore, a criminal defense attorney and founder of a law firm
00:03:12.940 aptly named Jonna Spilbore Law.
00:03:15.900 Also, you might notice my glasses weigh five pounds.
00:03:19.980 OK, so they noticed you didn't need to point that out.
00:03:23.880 No, I know they noticed.
00:03:24.960 I know they noticed.
00:03:25.880 So the Cornell seven case continues on and it will for a while.
00:03:31.060 The former Cornell fraternity president was just dropped from Jane Doe's civil lawsuit.
00:03:39.080 Wonder why we're going to bring you the latest details on that.
00:03:42.160 And also, the lone holdout Lindsay Clancy juror did an interview with Fox News. We're going to talk about it. Did you think it was necessary, Jonna? How does that impact the upcoming possible retrial? Can't wait to talk to you about that. But first, Jonna, but first, Jonna.
00:04:01.580 it's happy hour it is it's the one time i don't have a drink it's so funny i came rushing in here
00:04:07.840 and i didn't even have a drink let me let me find some type of beverage here as i get here we go
00:04:15.240 okay i found myself something to drink during happy hour time
00:04:18.580 now yes since it is happy hour can we begin by discussing why you're so late today
00:04:28.300 see they didn't know that we don't have enough time now right so um as I was I had a I had a
00:04:37.220 court appearance in Gainesville on Friday and then over the weekend I stayed in Gainesville to be with
00:04:44.140 my precious offspring my two kids who go to school there one who just graduated but she's gonna go to
00:04:49.580 law school had a wonderful time on my way back on Monday morning a judge in an Orlando case said
00:04:58.080 okay, we can hear your motion for reduction of bond tomorrow, meaning Tuesday. So if this airs
00:05:04.140 on Wednesday, it was today. So I, five minutes from the Brightline train, as I was about to head
00:05:10.440 back to South Florida, said, hold on, take me to some hotel because I'm staying the night.
00:05:16.300 And I found a hotel and I stayed the night and I prepared and argued that my client's $2.5
00:05:25.380 million dollar bond be reduced. That's what I did today, Jonna. And then I just took the train back
00:05:32.040 and then I got off the train. I took an Uber back to my house. My dogs who missed me, peace and
00:05:38.460 quiet, my two white, beautiful golden doodles, they wanted to play with me. She had the ball.
00:05:43.620 Quiet had the ball in her mouth. She wanted to play. No, daddy's just playing with you.
00:05:47.820 And I came here and didn't even have a chance to pull out my beverage for a happy hour time.
00:05:52.000 that's what i do for this show jonna oh thank you for gracing us your highness
00:05:59.780 hang on a minute because i guess because i'm not from florida and i'm not familiar i don't really
00:06:05.640 know so gainesville orlando yeah close to each other a couple hours from each other two hours
00:06:12.720 from each other two hours from each other gainesville is two hours north of orlando
00:06:16.840 Gainesville, the home of the University of Florida Gators, where I went to college, undergrad.
00:06:23.180 Yes.
00:06:23.820 So hang on now.
00:06:24.960 Of course, the thing that I'm honing in on in this tale of woe is that are you wearing
00:06:30.760 the same suit today that you were wearing on Friday and Monday?
00:06:37.580 All right.
00:06:37.880 First, I'd object to relevance.
00:06:40.880 However, I'm going to answer it for the record.
00:06:44.900 And that is, no, when I got home, I ripped off the T-shirt that I was wearing that I changed into to make myself comfortable on the Brightline train.
00:06:55.140 And I put on a new shirt, one that smelled nicely.
00:06:59.020 I tucked a new hanky into my jacket.
00:07:01.440 And here I am, Jonna.
00:07:03.180 How was your day?
00:07:05.680 One last question, Mr. E. Garsh.
00:07:08.660 Yes.
00:07:09.800 Yeah.
00:07:10.400 Are you or are you not wearing pants?
00:07:14.900 Um, I am, guess. What do you get? Guess. And then I'll tell you.
00:07:19.920 I guess not. I guess no, because you never wear pants. You never wear pants.
00:07:25.160 Well, I rarely wear anything that covers my knees. The question is, am I doing that today?
00:07:30.040 And by the way, what are pants? Like matching slacks with the jacket? Is that what you mean?
00:07:34.160 Yeah, a suit, suit pants.
00:07:36.200 Oh, I can almost assure you that might never happen. But did you want to guess? I'll jump up
00:07:40.920 and show you i mean why not all right is your knee are your knees exposed yes no they're not
00:07:47.360 exposed oh i know today they're wearing pajama bottoms are you wearing pajama bottoms will the
00:07:53.200 real mark igler's please stand up are you ready yes i'm ready i'm wearing he's getting on chair
00:07:59.560 oh blue jeans jeans there we go okay okay john bon jovi you can take a seat right okay all right
00:08:09.060 And did I get the bond lowered, you ask?
00:08:12.200 Oh, I just, you know why?
00:08:14.000 I didn't ask.
00:08:14.600 You know why?
00:08:15.140 I assumed you did.
00:08:16.240 You're that good. 1.00
00:08:17.660 Or you don't give a shit. 1.00
00:08:19.120 No, I do give a shit. 1.00
00:08:20.280 I do. 1.00
00:08:20.900 You did, did.
00:08:21.580 I mean, 2.5, that's a lot.
00:08:23.220 Of course you got it lowered.
00:08:24.360 It was white collar, nonviolent fraud, but it was extremely extensive.
00:08:28.160 He's facing a potential life sentence.
00:08:29.780 And I said to the judge, I start off with, judge, as I was reading the 105-page arrest
00:08:35.300 affidavit. I was waiting for the time that when he went to the clerk's office and allegedly
00:08:39.920 committed fraud, that he executed her. It wasn't there. There's no violence alleged here to justify
00:08:45.980 a $2.5 million bond. Ultimately, she took off a million and a half, which I still felt was too
00:08:53.520 much. And she said, come back if he can't post a million dollar bond. And the family said they're
00:08:58.060 working on it. Yeah, the family said, hang on, let me lift up this mattress. I will grab
00:09:05.220 the million dollars no we will post the bond no no one of the stipulations is you've got to prove
00:09:11.100 it's called a nebbia requirement here you have to prove where the source of the funds are coming
00:09:17.680 from and they have to be legitimate and clean that's exactly what i do when i vet my my fees
00:09:23.440 for for legal fees i will never take money unless i know that it's from a legitimate source you
00:09:28.080 jonna what are you taking all that tainted dough in new york i tell them if they can't come up with
00:09:33.020 the money just go ahead and print it i'm okay i'm okay right we'll launder it through you know
00:09:39.600 one of those one of those don't i mean we have a have you ever walked this is a sidebar so of
00:09:45.040 course i'm kidding for anybody who doesn't know but but that have you ever walked into a place
00:09:49.840 like a restaurant for example like i walk into some restaurants i've done that i actually like
00:09:55.040 and there's never anybody in there right though the food is good and then i'll be like that's
00:10:03.400 because nobody eats at four in the afternoon like you do i mean that's the problem well i didn't say
00:10:08.220 i was there for the blue plate special i'm like this must be a money laundering outfit because
00:10:13.520 nobody's here ever yeah like like a mugs are us store really mugs that's all you sell right right
00:10:22.140 Right. I'm always labeling places like money laundering places. Come on.
00:10:26.620 Not even good customer service with the mugs. 0.98
00:10:29.300 What did you do today? Tell me. We talked about me.
00:10:31.780 You, just give me a taste of what led you to this point.
00:10:35.560 You obviously had your hair done because it looks fabulous, Jonna.
00:10:38.820 Oh, no, no, no. It should not look fabulous.
00:10:41.320 I am getting my hair done this Friday, so it should not look, yeah.
00:10:45.140 This is what happens before you get it done? My goodness.
00:10:49.160 I woke up like this, Mark.
00:10:51.940 So no, so I didn't do that.
00:10:53.440 I've had, so last week, as you, you might remember, I think I told you, I was on trial
00:10:58.380 in a divorce trial and you were like, oh my God, I'm a divorce lawyer.
00:11:01.340 Right. 0.97
00:11:02.020 Because hold on, viewers, did she not say at the top again that she's a criminal defense 0.93
00:11:06.820 attorney and then she talks stories about doing family law?
00:11:10.460 I mean, come on, come on, Jonna.
00:11:12.840 So how'd the trial go?
00:11:13.840 What happened?
00:11:14.460 So three days, three days. 0.99
00:11:16.920 we we completed the custody the child custody portion of this divorce trial we have to come
00:11:24.180 back in january oh the money stuff oh yeah but it was but you know what it's like so it was three
00:11:30.480 days of trial you don't get anything else done in life or at work anything like that right so
00:11:35.240 so for the last couple of days like you i have been non-stop um which is why i was i was three
00:11:41.860 minutes late for for getting on the air with you today but you were 10 minutes late so i was actually
00:11:46.220 early. A net of seven. Are we really going to keep itching about it between the three and the
00:11:50.660 10 equals seven? And did you get what you wanted for your client? Did you get the timeshare that
00:11:56.720 you wanted? She is very, very happy. We got her 95% of what she wanted. When you talk about child
00:12:04.640 custody, that is a win. That is a great win. Okay. Did you not like the husband or the other guy?
00:12:11.920 like did you did you or you thought he was an okay guy like the the other guy that you wanted
00:12:16.900 to keep the child from did you actually honestly believe that he wasn't suitable or you were just
00:12:21.960 fighting for your client no no no we didn't want to keep the child from which i don't you know when
00:12:27.000 i have a client in a custody battle yeah sometimes you do though no only only if the other parent is
00:12:32.980 like a monster if the other parent is a decent parent that's why i'm asking the goal isn't to
00:12:38.240 keep the child away there are different things that go that go along with that um although he 0.98
00:12:44.080 did do one weird thing in my presence that nobody else noticed and are you about to say penis tell
00:12:51.460 me what what happened no no but it struck me kind of weird and i'm going to gossip about it at some
00:12:56.900 point in the office but do it now okay so so so we're in the hallway outside of the actual
00:13:04.220 courtroom because there was there was a break and we didn't sure we stayed with the client
00:13:08.220 and uh the so but he left he left with his attorney and he was coming back when you you
00:13:14.000 know when you come back from court if you're not an attorney you have to go through the metal
00:13:16.920 detector it's like being in an airport you gotta take off anything metal yeah so he was he had to
00:13:22.340 take off his belt when he was walking back in the courtroom by the time he got to where i was
00:13:26.320 standing and my co-counsel and the client he was putting the belt back on and i actually had to
00:13:34.140 ask him a question now granted you're not supposed to talk to the other party but i had permission
00:13:39.440 his attorney was standing right there sure to just ask him right right so i go to ask him a question
00:13:43.680 and his and he's putting on the belt and his response was i feel like i'm getting dressed
00:13:48.460 in front of a bunch of ladies and i was like you know what right right no save that we're not so i
00:13:56.740 didn't even acknowledge it okay all right yes is that no yeah anyway it is it is unusual i also
00:14:03.340 took my belt off for the metal detector today in orange county um in orlando and i'm literally
00:14:09.200 walking and i hadn't put it on yet and i'm just walking down the hallway trying to put my belt
00:14:14.220 on it felt weird what a creep speaking of that um did you want to pivot and talk about something
00:14:22.040 more substantial like that press secretary that press secretary can we talk about that for a
00:14:27.920 second, please? We have to talk about her. Okay. I'm dying to get your thoughts on that. I mean,
00:14:33.920 first of all, can we just start with, was this the best public speaker you can get? That's all
00:14:39.000 I'm asking. Let's start there. I mean, forget about whether she went to law school or not.
00:14:43.660 Katie Zachariah, whatever her name is. Forget about whether she actually went to law school,
00:14:48.620 whether she's a lawyer, whether she passed the bar, all these issues. Is that the best we can
00:14:54.040 get in terms of public speaking yes jonna no i am going to defend her in one area and that is
00:15:02.740 i can't imagine she does have fabulous hair okay um i can't imagine how nervous one must be
00:15:09.920 first day on that like that's a job that's a big job and i can't imagine how nervous she would be
00:15:16.260 and so and so you gotta be ready i would give her a little bit of a pass because she was
00:15:21.580 obviously nervous now and and then if you listen to we'll talk about it apparently she did not have
00:15:29.060 a lot of time to prepare which mistake number one if you don't have enough time to prepare for
00:15:34.040 something that big you gotta either get up to speed or delay or do something to avoid a performance
00:15:41.300 like that speaking of a performance you go to broadway tonight it's opening night they forget
00:15:46.700 their lines you know they're nervous it's broadway it's really good you with the dance hands um you
00:15:53.020 know they forget their lines are you that you know you're you're gonna excuse that behavior
00:15:57.340 that they forgot their lines this is the big leagues you got to be ready for the big leagues
00:16:01.960 jonna come on you got to be ready for that you can't go in being nervous practice or say you're 0.96
00:16:10.220 not ready but do not go in there and and and shit the bed that's what she did in terms of ability
00:16:16.880 let's start people people do that my first ever tv appearance which i hope is buried somewhere and 0.95
00:16:24.120 will never come me too ever i was so nervous that more i couldn't yeah i was squeaking literally
00:16:33.140 squeaky outward like i had no air in my trachea and i was like right on top of squeaking i was
00:16:40.040 doing this like a million it was so embarrassing and you belong not in the white house as a press
00:16:46.820 secretary until you're ready and now you're ready you see that's the difference yeah this is a
00:16:52.460 logical choice by the way if anybody you know were to consider it but um you know no for real
00:16:58.840 But now let's get to the other more controversial part.
00:17:01.520 Much more controversial part.
00:17:03.520 All right.
00:17:03.740 They claim that she went to law school.
00:17:05.840 OK, so let's just say they vetted her.
00:17:07.660 Oh, she did go to law school. 0.63
00:17:08.680 She went to Pepperdine. 0.98
00:17:09.520 She graduated.
00:17:10.720 She has a Juris Doctorate degree. 0.95
00:17:13.160 Now, did she or did she not hold herself out to be a licensed practicing attorney by the
00:17:20.300 words that she used, calling herself a lawyer instead of an attorney?
00:17:26.880 Isn't that the same thing, Jonna?
00:17:28.840 And doesn't that imply you pass the bar?
00:17:31.840 So that's the thing.
00:17:33.860 I don't think there is a difference.
00:17:35.160 And maybe I'm wrong.
00:17:36.140 There is no difference.
00:17:37.360 Lawyer and attorney, to me, same thing.
00:17:40.020 I don't think she, if you're not a licensed lawyer,
00:17:43.420 I don't believe you're allowed to say
00:17:45.180 I'm a lawyer versus an attorney.
00:17:46.880 And here's why. 1.00
00:17:47.820 You think the general public gives a shit, 1.00
00:17:50.360 knows the difference, looks that up? 1.00
00:17:51.880 No, you are almost deceiving the public
00:17:54.100 if you hold yourself out as a lawyer versus an attorney.
00:17:56.920 She should have said, I have a Juris Doctorate degree.
00:18:00.100 You know, I have a JD, right?
00:18:03.100 But don't hold yourself out as a lawyer.
00:18:05.380 But here's the thing.
00:18:06.160 Why didn't anybody know this before she took the mic?
00:18:11.080 Well, let's go to that SOT where I think it all happened.
00:18:14.360 Let's go to the room where it happened.
00:18:15.820 SOT number one, because it was loud as hell.
00:18:18.880 Listen to this.
00:18:19.680 SOT number one. 1.00
00:18:21.260 She's an attorney. 1.00
00:18:22.520 Where did she pass the bar exam? 0.91
00:18:23.940 Which state? 0.98
00:18:24.740 Which state? 0.99
00:18:25.200 She's a fellow?
00:18:26.920 for all we know she said for china i don't know what she said i don't know what she's saying
00:18:38.360 you can't hear anything that's not the best place to get a response but it looked like she was
00:18:43.040 saying china and she did say china right i mean but she didn't pass the bar there either oh i know
00:18:51.600 In fact, apparently, I did some research, you have to be a citizen to take the bar in
00:18:56.440 China. 0.99
00:18:57.140 Like, they're not going to let non-citizens take it.
00:18:58.860 So we know that didn't happen. 0.99
00:19:00.680 You don't think this was an accident.
00:19:02.080 You think she was clearly misleading, right?
00:19:05.600 I think she was caught off guard, didn't think it was going to be a semantic issue.
00:19:12.420 It's more than a semantic issue.
00:19:14.720 But obviously, the reporters all knew that she hadn't passed the bar anywhere.
00:19:19.480 That's why they asked the question.
00:19:20.980 And this is why I just don't know if when she got the job, OK, the resume.
00:19:28.460 Right. Yeah. Oh, I see here. You went to Pepperdine. OK.
00:19:32.000 Are you licensed to practice law anywhere? Oh, China.
00:19:35.860 Oh, OK. Next. Like, well, I mean, well, but in her defense, she doesn't need to be a lawyer to do this job. 1.00
00:19:43.780 So I do want to defend. Then just say I'm a non-practicing lawyer.
00:19:49.300 Let's go to site number two.
00:19:50.480 I'm not a lawyer.
00:19:53.000 So what do you call it?
00:19:53.960 I'm a J.D.
00:19:56.240 I guess.
00:19:56.700 I'm a denial delinquent.
00:19:57.840 I would be okay, actually, if she said non-practicing lawyer, I think.
00:20:02.300 I think I could probably defend her more.
00:20:05.080 Let's see what happens on Hannity, site number two.
00:20:07.620 You took the bar exam, but you didn't pass the bar exam, correct?
00:20:12.300 Yes, Sean.
00:20:14.620 Okay, did he ever take it a second time?
00:20:16.420 So for background, I graduated Pepperdine, got married in the same week, and we had all
00:20:25.300 intent to move out to China.
00:20:27.720 I had already pre-registered for the bar exam, and basically during the summer, I knew I
00:20:34.600 would be living in China, and the results of the bar were inconsequential, and I sat
00:20:39.320 for it because I didn't want to have a withdrawal status, and then I moved over to China, and
00:20:44.480 where I did get a job in an international practice of a Chinese law firm.
00:20:49.040 I was doing cross-country border transactions and multi-million dollar shareholder agreements.
00:20:55.320 But I want to ask you specifically, I know that part of the story.
00:20:58.160 Somebody should vet that.
00:20:58.760 You did do all of that.
00:21:00.240 Yes.
00:21:00.520 But did you ever take the bar exam a second time?
00:21:03.460 I did not, John.
00:21:04.260 Or a third time?
00:21:04.880 No.
00:21:05.240 You did not?
00:21:05.620 Okay.
00:21:06.180 So you said you consulted with many people, and they advised you that it was okay to call
00:21:11.720 yourself a lawyer but not an attorney correct correct ah really who told you that donald who
00:21:20.860 told you that you know come on john no no no no donald as in trump is what you're saying
00:21:26.920 no donald duck no no but you know what this just reminded me of something though because i'm sitting
00:21:33.740 here i don't think there's a difference between lawyer and attorney however i have been i have
00:21:38.460 been fooled myself when it comes to calling somebody a doctor who's got a phd and i'm thinking
00:21:44.820 you know they can prescribe by botox but they can't because they're only a phd i've been fooled
00:21:49.660 by that right right but that's not unlawful right phds are allowed to call themselves doctors i i
00:21:56.200 almost don't care what anybody calls themselves until and unless they're in a position of trust
00:22:01.180 a position of power where the world is watching where the kids are watching where people are
00:22:06.800 are evaluating how you handle questions whether you tell the truth or not in public that all
00:22:12.660 matters to me you know so you can give it does it matter to you i don't like being misled no no no
00:22:18.420 absolutely matters and that's why like when she starts talking to sean hannity and going through
00:22:23.280 the whole litany of excuses as to why she's not real like right stop it that wasn't the way she
00:22:29.340 doesn't need to be didn't need to be a lawyer to do this job and she should have just flat out said
00:22:34.060 I'm sorry, there's been a misunderstanding. I'm not a practicing lawyer. I don't need to be one
00:22:39.200 to do this job. Don't go into, I went to China, then I got married, then I had kids. And then I
00:22:43.400 don't stop. Just stop.
00:22:46.320 Jonna, how about when you're caught with your hand in the cookie jar and people know you've
00:22:50.800 misled them? What about, and this is a foreshadow to my rant today. What about looking in the camera
00:22:55.920 and saying, you know what? It was inadvertent if it was, or you know what? I misled. I apologize.
00:23:02.040 You know, I didn't mean to do it. I said I was a lawyer because someone told me that. But I can understand why people thought that meant I passed the bar. I meant no harm. Just own up to it. Just come clean. I am so tired of people bullshitting, Jonna. Just be real.
00:23:21.360 fall on the sword we're all human and that's what she should have done but she should have had to do 0.99
00:23:28.520 that before she got the job because it's a embarrassing for her embarrassing for the 1.00
00:23:34.400 administration it was unnecessary she might have been a perfectly good look uh caroline levitt is 1.00
00:23:40.200 a tough act to follow tough act to follow i don't know if she was going to come close but no not a 1.00
00:23:46.680 Attorney tomato tomato yeah got it let's call the whole thing off yeah and and here it took a watch
00:23:53.580 group to file a complaint with the state bar of california calling for an investigation i don't
00:23:59.500 know what they're going to do with that but oh yeah that was done yeah i know i know but you
00:24:03.620 stop it get your foot people get your foot off her throat it's done it's over leave it leave it
00:24:08.940 alone okay so you want to talk cornell seven we're going to do that in the next block i'm excited to
00:24:14.500 do so. A lot going on with that case, and we'll be right back. Welcome back to Positively Legal.
00:24:35.820 Now, Mark, a defendant in Jane Doe's civil lawsuit was just dropped from the case.
00:24:44.500 yep yep next so so do you do you want me to i can i can make it like the biggest deal or i can
00:24:56.060 make it nothing which one do you want me to argue you know what i actually i'm gonna do both keep
00:25:00.940 i don't think it's i don't think it's a big deal so okay so here i'll here's the argument here's
00:25:06.540 the argument okay the argument has been from people and just so we're clear anybody watching
00:25:12.500 this. I'm not taking a position. I wasn't there. I'm smart enough to know how little I know.
00:25:17.240 I'm waiting for an unbiased investigation that I will not get from Letitia James. So I don't know
00:25:22.440 that I'm ever going to know what really happened. Plus, we're hearing the facts from people who are
00:25:26.240 shit faced. And so there's believability and accuracy. We're getting facts as they believe 0.98
00:25:33.520 them. But are they really accurate? And I think that's the argument here.
00:25:38.060 step off your soapbox no i'm here the argument is that she believed that the president of the
00:25:47.940 fraternity was this one particular guy and i'm not going to mention his name and from that just
00:25:53.240 understand what came from that mistake this guy then gets named in a civil lawsuit they personally
00:25:58.960 served him with a civil lawsuit he freaks out clutches his heart that he's being accused of
00:26:04.380 this heinousness. He's now part of this whole thing. Oh, but Mark, his role was only as the
00:26:09.160 president. No, he's part of this. He's worried about his entire future. The guy sacrificed in
00:26:14.640 high school to become a Cornell undergraduate. And now he's being sued and he has to get a lawyer
00:26:20.820 and he pays a lot of money for the lawyer. And ultimately, finally, they realize, oh, yeah,
00:26:26.300 he wasn't the president. You screwed up. Your team screwed up. Where else are you screwing up? 0.60
00:26:33.080 all right i'm off the soapbox you go jonna make nothing out of this go ahead they named the wrong 0.99
00:26:38.680 guy yeah right so you have to dismiss him it's called disclosure you dickhead they have to 0.93
00:26:45.400 dismiss them right i mean that's what you do if you screw up right you got the wrong guy misspelled 0.85
00:26:51.740 whatever wrong time wrong so you know instead of making him file a motion yeah and incur those
00:26:58.100 legal expenses oh how generous of them once they realize the air really they went and did the right
00:27:03.940 thing you're applauding them for that but but i will also say along your lines like they sued
00:27:11.060 everybody and their brother so we say right they included people that really don't have probably
00:27:17.640 any responsibility although you know you sue the deep pocket you do all that thing because you want
00:27:23.340 to throw everything up against the wall and see if it sticks. That's what I don't like oftentimes
00:27:28.280 about certain civil cases. Oh, no, by the way, Mark, not only do we do divorces, we do personal
00:27:34.500 injury. Oh, for the love of God. Breaking news. Jonna is not a criminal defense lawyer like she
00:27:40.340 alleges. She does it all. She's a door lawyer. Anything that comes through the door is for 0.99
00:27:45.480 Jonna. But let me ask you this. You had mentioned, oh, that's what you do. You just shotgun and sue
00:27:49.920 everybody. Let me ask you something. Yeah. When they go after the tuna and they throw out the net
00:27:55.340 and there's a sweet, innocent dolphin or two that gets caught up in the tuna.
00:28:00.060 Cute little deer. You get it. Do you give a shit or you're just going, well, it's part of the deal,
00:28:05.020 whatever. So this sweet, innocent guy who had nothing to do with this fraternity, he wasn't 1.00
00:28:10.060 the president, Jonna. He wasn't like they allege. He had to get a lawyer. He was part of the Cornell
00:28:16.220 seven. Can you imagine today's modern day, you know, stamp of of crap? Right. And now and now 1.00
00:28:25.980 I was going for Scarlet Letter. I forgot. But yes, Scarlet Letter. There you go. You're branded.
00:28:31.240 You don't really you're just minimizing it. They did the right thing. Nobody.
00:28:36.220 Do you do you know his name without looking at your notes? No, you don't. You know why?
00:28:42.020 nobody gives a shit about that guy all we care about is the cornell seven all the all the legal 0.92
00:28:48.380 really bs yeah you know who cares you know who cares oh that guy no hold on hold on i'm getting 0.77
00:28:55.680 to it i'm getting to it i'm gonna give you i'm gonna tell you i don't know it because i don't 1.00
00:28:59.980 follow this stuff right but i'm gonna tell you who does know it sought number five these ladies
00:29:06.400 know what johnna they're protesting in solidarity and i bet you they're including this guy in their 0.91
00:29:12.000 rants oh you're gonna hate this look at her she is nervous
00:29:20.480 everyone in the lawsuit we hate you everyone 1.00
00:29:30.240 well ladies they dismissed me from the lawsuit we don't care
00:29:33.840 your response johnna what do you what do you think of that i they know his name i applaud
00:29:44.480 any group that could zumba while protesting okay like you know what i do mark when i'm waiting when
00:29:54.140 i come to the office and i make my coffee in the morning it takes like a minute you know what i do
00:29:57.900 i do crunches while i'm waiting like it's multitasking yeah and i love that uh-huh they
00:30:03.760 don't know his name either they don't probably even know their own names
00:30:07.100 wow that was harsh i don't all right you want to talk about the governor because that's pissing me
00:30:14.420 off yeah let's talk about her get kathy hochel her name kathy kathy kathy hochel yes no it could
00:30:22.320 be Hochul. All right. Yeah. You know, some people do pronounce it that way, but it's Hochul.
00:30:26.960 Okay. You got a problem with her? Well, we are still, I mean, we are still waiting. We have not
00:30:35.780 had a hearing on the motion to unappoint Letitia James. Oh yeah. You think that's really going to
00:30:43.380 happen? Because sought number three that I'm ready to throw at you is this governor understand where
00:30:49.820 it comes from. Now, for her to appoint somebody neutral, objective, independent, you'd think that
00:30:58.420 she has to take an independent approach first to show that she's not biased. SOT number three
00:31:04.080 might undermine her position that she's being neutral on this thing. State Attorney General
00:31:10.500 Letitia James is being criticized for having made statements that suggest she's already prejudged
00:31:15.640 the case. You have also made statements that sound like you have prejudged the case, including
00:31:21.080 saying, quote, this woman, this young woman had already endured something that is utterly
00:31:26.180 unspeakable. What do you say to legal experts who say James's statements could jeopardize
00:31:32.580 the investigation as appearing impartial? Is that for me? Yes. Listen, I'm a mom. I dropped a
00:31:40.620 daughter off at a college campus. There should not be a culture that allows for a young woman 1.00
00:31:46.320 to be so brutally attacked on a fraternity and then literally have the courage to go ask for
00:31:51.960 help from law enforcement. You know how difficult it is for a victim to have to tell her story to
00:31:56.980 strangers? But she did it. And also the evidence seemed very clear. And I'm not prosecuting this
00:32:02.700 case. It seemed very clear that the boys in the fraternity were trying to cover up what they had
00:32:07.180 done. There were a lot of acknowledgements, a lot of texts that were coming up. So I said this,
00:32:11.320 I want there to be an independent investigation. That's underway. But also when it became clear to
00:32:16.280 me that the district attorney had already denied the opportunity to interview this young woman,
00:32:22.000 I come from a family of prosecutors. You should know enough to interview a victim of a crime
00:32:26.520 and not just dismiss it. That's why the law says the governor shall appoint the attorney general
00:32:34.280 in cases of special prosecutions the attorney general can speak for herself on her
00:32:39.100 john i have so many things to say about this i'm gonna let you go first
00:32:45.160 okay first of all she keeps referring to the accuser as a victim she said that she was
00:32:52.040 attacked the overwhelming evidence evidence mark and you know why don't we start there
00:32:58.440 let's define evidence shall we evidence is not a hundred page civil lawsuit with allegations
00:33:04.540 contained there agreed allegations okay even the the the text messages which if you're going to
00:33:12.040 talk evidence okay is evidence that this was a consensual act not some sort of brutal crime
00:33:22.180 that she was partaking of her own free will
00:33:25.880 after also partaking of her own free will to get drunk.
00:33:29.220 So first of all, and this isn't even evidence.
00:33:31.760 This is, these are, they're not evidence yet.
00:33:34.720 You know why they're not evidence yet?
00:33:36.500 Because there's been no criminal complaint filed
00:33:39.000 and a civil action contains allegations
00:33:41.940 only until something has been proven under oath
00:33:45.280 and has been proven credible, et cetera, et cetera.
00:33:48.740 What say you?
00:33:49.220 Okay, I am not necessarily jumping on the,
00:33:51.920 she wasn't victimized bandwagon she might have been because i applaud the governor and i because 1.00
00:33:57.020 i don't know yet i applaud the governor in theory right that if there's a climate where a woman
00:34:03.760 is being harmed i too have a daughter who's on a college campus right now and i want her to be
00:34:10.100 heard and i want that to be all those generic things that she said i agree with but you are
00:34:16.840 a governor who claims that she's not prosecuting the case, who clearly then doesn't know all the
00:34:23.440 facts, who is immediately condemning these guys because for every action, there's a reaction.
00:34:29.560 When you call her a victim and you say that she went through something horrible like Letitia
00:34:33.720 James did, then what you're saying is that what she's saying is true. And it's just the optics.
00:34:40.780 That's my concern. It's about fundamental fairness. Okay. This is less about which one is guilty and which one is innocent. It's more about fairness because we can't have a process that is not fair. Are you with me? And that's why I have a problem with this governor.
00:34:58.200 You just reminded me of something. This is a little off.
00:35:01.720 that's all right you're a little off yeah you know i can't in a good way i can't think of a
00:35:08.760 case off a case name off the top of my head but i have okay peterson let's say no no no no no
00:35:16.800 the closest i can come is is duke let's fast forward into the future right pull out our
00:35:23.480 crystal balls let's suppose for argument's sake that the cornell seven are indicted tried
00:35:30.740 and acquitted, okay? Do you think that the Zumba protesters and the Kathy Hochels are going to
00:35:39.380 accept that acquittal and say, oh, you know what? Guys, we had this all wrong. Oh, the evidence
00:35:46.800 didn't show a crime. Sorry, my bad. Yeah. But you know what, though? I would defend their right
00:35:53.140 to not say my bad the same way people should defend my right to say merely because OJ,
00:36:00.740 was acquitted of the murder in his criminal case. That wasn't the jurors speaking the truth. That
00:36:08.820 was, you know, a ridiculous verdict. I'm not casting, you know, any aspersions on the jurors. 0.96
00:36:14.580 They had reasonable doubt. But that doesn't mean that I independently looking at the evidence
00:36:18.680 believed that he was innocent. We know that the system lets nine guilty people go so that one
00:36:24.680 innocent person is in stripped of their liberty like that. So not guilty doesn't mean that they're
00:36:29.940 innocent, it means that there's not enough evidence to those particular jurors. The Court
00:36:34.000 of Public Opinion or the screaming ladies in the Court of Public Opinion in that one video, 1.00
00:36:38.820 they have every right to continue to point their finger at people, right? Even if it's one of my 1.00
00:36:43.840 clients who are Snow White Innocent or one of my family members, that's their right under the
00:36:47.840 First Amendment. I'm not happy about it, but I'm not happy about a lot of things people say.
00:36:51.880 I think that that is troubling for our entire system of justice, because if you're going to
00:36:57.920 prejudge and think people are guilty and put them through the the whole it more than a headache
00:37:04.500 put them through the whole thing of having to live as a defendant pre-trial trial then when 12 people
00:37:11.880 come out and say yeah it's just not there then aren't why shouldn't they be owed an apology
00:37:18.720 look i agree with you i don't like it i've ranted about it i don't like that people
00:37:26.440 prejudge they don't know the evidence they hear a little bit of a sound bite they think that
00:37:31.260 they're now they have a cause their their life has purpose i hate everything about it but we
00:37:36.420 live in a country where that is totally legal and it's first amendment protected it's offensive
00:37:42.720 it's outrageous but i defend all that because it's their right i also then get to point my 1.00
00:37:48.320 finger back and say, you effing morons. Why don't you learn more about the case before you start 0.99
00:37:54.240 jumping on a side? And that's all. And I'm not saying they're wrong, by the way, but they can
00:37:59.440 be wrong. I'm just amazed at how people jump to a side like they're picking a team in fantasy
00:38:04.240 football and then they stay on that side. Yeah, you do that no matter what. And they don't change
00:38:08.900 their opinion. All right. So exhibit A, look at you. This is a good segue, although I prefer
00:38:14.880 Segu into something else I want to talk about. Speaking of juries, I want to we have some update
00:38:22.980 on the lone holdout. Yes. Lindsay Clancy. He admitted he admitted he should have gone with
00:38:29.160 the 12. What happened? No, no, he came out. He did his first public interview. Fox Fox is getting
00:38:34.440 all the interviews. I know. I know. With these guys. So and he's defending himself because,
00:38:40.560 remember they came out firing brimstone against this guy that he wasn't following the law right
00:38:46.460 specifically they said you and i were talking about it he said he had reasonable doubts but
00:38:52.740 he wasn't going to follow the law no matter what and i immediately said wait a second first of all
00:38:57.440 he doesn't owe them anything there's nothing in the law that says you must defend your position
00:39:02.540 to these people and when they get in your face that somehow you have to articulate what you're 0.98
00:39:07.300 feeling bullshit. He doesn't have to do that. But did he have reasonable doubt? Let's go to 0.98
00:39:12.080 number six and you judge. Did you have reasonable doubt? No. Your attorney said you have had a
00:39:23.560 mountain of evidence. What was your evidence? Well, definitely. I had a lot of evidence to
00:39:30.940 back up my claim. But because out of respect of the other jurors in the court system, I will put
00:39:39.000 that to sleep for now until they go through the process of the court system. I imagine that had
00:39:47.820 to be tense at moments. You're in a jury room. There are 11 people who say Lindsay Clancy is
00:39:53.340 not guilty by reason of insanity. You're taking a different position. Were there moments that
00:39:57.460 were tense uh yeah there were moments that were tense um there were moments that were tense as we
00:40:03.440 were deliberating of course there were and by the way when he's referring to i don't want to talk
00:40:08.060 about it because of the jurors she's talking about the the jurors that he served with or the future
00:40:13.120 jurors in the next trial assuming there is one do you know what he meant by that i don't know what
00:40:19.680 he meant by that but i have a feeling that he's probably sought legal counsel obviously has he
00:40:24.980 as he should. And before he did this interview, they probably said, you know, let's not flap
00:40:30.860 your gums. There's a hearing coming up, I think next week in this case, or no, beginning of
00:40:37.240 November in this case on certain aspects. So I think he had to be cautious in what he was saying.
00:40:43.920 And that's probably why he's just not going to go there at this point. Don't you think that these
00:40:49.140 interviews increase the chances of creating more of a divide on this case because it's almost like
00:40:59.200 it's almost he's become like the Fox News slash right wing slash Republican position on this case
00:41:07.240 just my perception right and so then there's more people on that team and those people are going to
00:41:13.660 show up for the next jury duty again assuming there's a trial and now there's more division
00:41:18.360 it can't be any more divided than it already is right mark so so if you want to speak your piece
00:41:27.720 because you've been vilified he has been vilified in the court of public opinion right he's been
00:41:34.500 vilified you want to speak your piece you're not going to go into unfriendly territory right you're
00:41:39.300 not going to go on the ms now or ms wow or whatever the hell that station's called you're going to go
00:41:44.660 where somebody is going to ask you, hopefully, some fair questions and not rub your nose in
00:41:49.600 anything. And I would have done the same thing. If you're going to speak at all, at least speak
00:41:54.560 in a form where you can get out what you want to say and not have the questions posed at you
00:42:01.000 as statements that aren't yours. We talked about how methodical she was. One of the arguments was
00:42:08.640 how methodical she was one child by one child by one child which tended to undermine the defense's
00:42:15.100 position that she was cuckoo for coco pups let's listen to what he thought about that 1.00
00:42:19.000 sat number seven and we'll talk about that in a moment methodical um i thought lindsey was
00:42:25.560 in the execution of the children um so that was really big for me uh with um you know from
00:42:33.560 Watching the video and also listening in the courtroom, the, you know, the thought process that goes behind and to fulfill the commitment of doing that.
00:42:46.680 I thought it was it was it was logical.
00:42:56.460 You know, he's backing up what he's you know, why he made that verdict.
00:43:00.340 It's not what I wanted based upon the evidence that I saw, but I absolutely zealously support
00:43:05.420 his right to have a different take on it.
00:43:08.100 That's what our system's about.
00:43:09.620 That's exactly what our system's about.
00:43:11.560 And I'm glad that he said that because a lot of us were surmising that's what he was thinking
00:43:18.560 because some of us had the same thoughts.
00:43:21.780 I do have a question as to why did this interview continue in a car?
00:43:26.160 Did they get kicked out of wherever they were at in the interview?
00:43:31.300 Fox News.
00:43:32.460 They only paid for a half hour.
00:43:35.300 What was that about?
00:43:37.740 I don't understand.
00:43:39.760 Next, they're going to be in a plane.
00:43:43.440 They're going to be climbing the mountains.
00:43:45.560 They're going to get stuck for a few days.
00:43:46.880 No food, no water.
00:43:48.500 Roller coasters going up.
00:43:51.080 I have a protein bar.
00:43:54.100 We're not done.
00:43:56.160 Right. So did did the defense lawyer put a target on his back? You know, a lot of us allege that that, you know, what Reddington did was problematic.
00:44:07.560 I still believe that, you know, a defense lawyer has to zealously defend his or her client, you know, and in what's said in the court of public in the court, you know, while it impacts a court of public opinion, you know, you have some leeway.
00:44:19.540 You're allowed to say certain things in court, and it's not defamatory.
00:44:23.080 But did this guy feel like Reddington put a target on his back?
00:44:26.680 That's sought number eight.
00:44:27.720 Let's see what he said.
00:44:29.640 I want to play a soundbite from Kevin Reddington.
00:44:31.960 It was the day of the mistrial.
00:44:33.720 He used a pronoun, he or him, four times.
00:44:37.040 Listen to this.
00:44:38.240 That juror told you that he would be able to apply the law to the facts, as you asked him.
00:44:44.520 He is, as the law states, he is not being honest with you at the sidebar.
00:44:52.200 Kevin Reddington claims that the SJC said he before he did.
00:44:56.960 We can find no record of that.
00:44:58.620 The fact that he said he took the pool of who could be the holdout juror from 12 down to three.
00:45:03.560 There were only three men on the jury.
00:45:05.360 Do you feel that Kevin Reddington put a target on your back?
00:45:09.900 That's a leading question.
00:45:11.940 How does that make you feel?
00:45:14.520 I mean, John, a question. We lost an opportunity. Did he put a target on your back? Listen, that's an agenda when you're a reporter asking that. How did that make you feel? Did it put a target? You're suggesting the answer. It's a leading question, right?
00:45:28.340 they're they're not in a courtroom right no but it's better journalism i would have liked to have
00:45:34.020 known how that made you feel let him use the words and then if he says i don't know or it bothered me
00:45:40.060 she could follow up and say well some are saying that you know you might have felt like you had a
00:45:45.300 target on your back is that fair i i just don't i want to know what he thinks i just didn't think
00:45:49.940 that was a good way to ask it um but but it didn't name the guy he said he and he's allowed to do
00:45:56.780 that in court you don't take exception to that do you they said he i think it's i mean what his
00:46:02.440 choice would either say he or was it was to say they or this particular juror um and eventually
00:46:09.340 it was going to come out but that's not to me that isn't the thing that put a target on this
00:46:14.520 juror's back i think what put a target on his back is what happened outside the courtroom when he was
00:46:20.160 on the microphone with his fan club you know throwing panties at him in the background saying
00:46:25.060 that he, he screwed this up for everybody. And, and, you know, it, it, how is he going to sleep
00:46:31.000 at night? You know, that's the kind of thing that put the target on his back.
00:46:34.860 Yeah. I had a problem with that. I have a real problem with that. I think that it sets a precedent
00:46:39.900 that you cannot be a lone holdout juror anymore. And I'll tell you who's going to be the people
00:46:46.720 who get hurt the most. People like Reddington, me and you, we count on lone holdout jurors to stop
00:46:54.180 our clients from being convicted when they have a reasonable doubt. I've been saved. Many of my
00:46:59.500 clients have been saved by the one or two lone holdout jurors who say, you know what? Sure,
00:47:06.740 they must have done something. Why would they put all the resources towards this thing? But I don't
00:47:11.000 think they proved it. I think that maybe he did it or at worst, probably, but that's not enough.
00:47:16.940 We need those jurors in our system. I love that point, Mark. I absolutely love that point. I mean,
00:47:24.180 There alone a holdout juror is going to save your client probably temporarily, any client probably temporarily.
00:47:29.560 But right. How are how are 12 people who don't know each other before this event happens in any trial?
00:47:36.880 You're going to sit in a room locked in a room, you know, free pizza at noon, big deal and hold their ground.
00:47:42.960 Right. Or at the same time, at the same time, how do you have a reasonable debate inside a jury room when you've got, you know, three over here and nine over here?
00:47:53.680 How do you do that and not worry about what's going to happen to you when your jury duty is over and you're just happy that you don't have to do this again for another six years?
00:48:03.200 That's an interesting.
00:48:04.560 That's that's what I'll always remember about this case.
00:48:06.740 It was the first high profile case where what went on in the jury room got discussed, analyzed, criticized.
00:48:13.980 It sets horrible precedent for the future.
00:48:16.220 And that, to me, is a problem.
00:48:19.820 That's a future rant.
00:48:21.180 Or maybe it was a past one.
00:48:22.800 But you know what?
00:48:24.280 Yes.
00:48:24.760 No matter.
00:48:25.860 Because when we come back.
00:48:27.740 Yes.
00:48:28.300 You and I go off the record with some brand new rants.
00:48:33.900 Don't go anywhere, friends.
00:48:35.740 We're coming right back.
00:48:36.680 welcome back to positively legal and we're going to go off the record so you're not going to hear
00:48:56.440 this it's just going to be off the record it's just our private little rant just between ourselves
00:49:01.280 and all right, maybe you do hear it.
00:49:03.940 And Jonna, I always can't wait to hear
00:49:05.900 what you've selected as your topic.
00:49:08.240 Jonna, let's hear your rant.
00:49:10.360 I'm gonna say, Mark, my off the record today
00:49:13.200 is a little off the beaten path.
00:49:16.700 Nice.
00:49:17.040 Okay, here we go.
00:49:18.820 I know you come here for the crime.
00:49:21.380 After all, our channel is named for it.
00:49:25.520 We deliver high profile and dare I say,
00:49:28.140 the most gruesome live trials complete with the blood and the guts and the gore. Oh my.
00:49:35.380 But today, friends, I am going off the record not about murder, but rather it's next of kin.
00:49:43.880 Divorce. Unlike murder, I can say with certainty that more than half of those listening to my
00:49:49.900 voice right now have lived through at least one. That's because according to the stats,
00:49:55.740 the divorce rate for first-time not tires is just under 50%, while those on marriage number two
00:50:03.500 have a 60% chance of divorce, and those on marriage number three basically don't stand
00:50:10.760 a snowball's chance in hell of staying together forever, unless, of course, you get married at
00:50:16.360 the ripe old age of 94, in a nursing home, while on a ventilator. In a weird way, divorce has an
00:50:24.140 odd, if not macabre, connection to murder. For example, we've had some very recent cases
00:50:30.740 involving spouses who were murdered because divorce was somehow a less appealing option.
00:50:36.740 Caleb Flynn, Corey Richens, Alec Murda, Chris Watts, Brian Walsh, and that's just using one hand.
00:50:44.780 As an attorney with hundreds of divorces under my belt, I can say with a straight face that those
00:50:50.780 going through divorce should really have their own section in the DSM-5, which is the Diagnostic
00:50:56.680 and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders published by the American Psychiatric Association.
00:51:03.080 I say this not to be callous, but because divorce can make ordinarily sane people go
00:51:09.240 temporarily psycho.
00:51:11.880 Maybe not, let me lace my husband's martini with fentanyl psycho, but more like, let me 0.73
00:51:17.740 make a voodoo doll of his likeness and step on it repeatedly with the sharpest stilettos I own, 0.99
00:51:23.380 kind of psycho. My front row seat to the trials and tribulations of divorce has bestowed upon me 0.92
00:51:29.360 a keen insight into what makes divorce the adjective to which it is referred to most often,
00:51:35.500 and that is ugly. I mean, when's the last time you heard anyone refer to their divorce as
00:51:41.680 amazing or delightful or fabulous. Unless you are Gwyneth Paltrow and live in a fantasy land
00:51:49.440 filled with $6,000 jeans, the only conscious thing you do while uncoupling is to wish a freak
00:51:56.880 accident resulting in a slow and painful death on your soon-to-be ex-spouse, preferably while
00:52:02.320 his life insurance policy is still good. Since so many of you or those in your world have or will
00:52:09.280 experience divorce, today I am giving our audience a little inside baseball into how to survive it
00:52:16.280 without ending up as the star in our next murder trial. Tip number one, if your goal in getting
00:52:23.840 divorce is to think of new and improved ways to punish the other party, you are going about it
00:52:29.920 all wrong. The spouse who wins divorce is not the person who can make the other party the most
00:52:36.500 miserable. Spoiler alert, you're getting divorced because you already are miserable. Keep in mind, 0.92
00:52:44.460 the end of your marriage is also the beginning of the rest of your life. The goal, therefore,
00:52:50.680 is to do what it takes to make the rest of your life better than what came before.
00:52:57.280 Tip number two, during divorce, stop expecting your ex to behave as though he or she is still
00:53:03.380 in love. They're not. No one has ever woken up on a Tuesday, turned to their spouse and said,
00:53:09.420 hey baby, I love you so much. What do you say we call it quits? Unmet expectations in divorce
00:53:16.700 and life are why we get belly fat and wrinkles. The only expectations you should carry with you
00:53:24.640 through divorce are the ones you paid your lawyer for. And tip number three, divorce is not a sport.
00:53:31.360 Do not recruit your kids to be on your team.
00:53:34.640 Kids are not your personal chess pieces, paychecks, or mini therapists.
00:53:38.780 As Judge Judy once said, always love your children more than you hate your ex.
00:53:43.980 Nuff said.
00:53:45.280 Those are my top three tips for how to get through divorce without committing murder.
00:53:49.440 But I would be remiss if I didn't leave you with one tip on how to avoid divorce in the
00:53:55.240 first place.
00:53:56.060 in marriage each of you will have moments where you have fallen out of love the secret to staying
00:54:03.700 married is not falling out of love at the same time great tips jonna very nice thank you mark
00:54:14.420 not that you need them not you're 27 you're a happily married life it is marriage is challenging
00:54:20.140 and my wife and i always turn to each other usually during a dateline murder mystery or
00:54:24.500 something like that, we say, can we not get divorced? Let's not get divorced. She's like,
00:54:27.740 yeah, okay, let's not get divorced. It's horrible. You know, nicely done. Okay, I'm ready. Here I go.
00:54:37.540 One thing that really, really bothers me is that very few people say these two words that need to
00:54:46.980 be said more often. I'm sorry. Wives, children, politicians, teachers, people don't seem to want
00:55:01.020 to say those words. I think that they think it might be some form of weakness, but it's just
00:55:06.260 the opposite. It shows courage. It shows strength. We saw it back in the day. JFK did it when he said,
00:55:15.260 you know, during the Bay of Pigs fiasco, I screwed up. It also happened during the Civil War.
00:55:22.280 Abe Lincoln wrote to then General Ulysses S. Grant and essentially said, you're right,
00:55:30.440 I'm wrong. This is during the Civil War. We don't hear that much from our leaders and we certainly
00:55:36.120 don't hear much from our president. It would certainly be nice. You don't lose respect,
00:55:41.540 you gain it and here's my problem with it a lot of the kids are next generation
00:55:50.140 they're in a climate now where the adults the leaders they're not saying i screwed up i was
00:55:57.480 wrong i'm sorry so they don't do it much either if they can pull their faces out of their
00:56:02.120 electronics they're not doing it much we're setting a poor example now you don't have to be
00:56:10.000 perfect. We will make mistakes. That's guaranteed. But I just ask, please consider saying those two
00:56:19.480 words more. I'm sorry. The world needs more of that. Mark. John. I, I, I absolutely love that.
00:56:33.360 And, and this is one time where I'm going to say you are a hundred percent right.
00:56:37.140 I got to 100, not 99.9. Nothing can diffuse an argument, a bad mood or an argument about to
00:56:47.520 happen than saying those two words. I'm sorry. Are you good like that? Are you somebody who
00:56:53.320 will take ownership real quick? Are you like some others in my immediate sphere that I get it like
00:56:58.880 on my birthday or maybe a special holiday? Now at my ripe old age of 39. Yes, I am more
00:57:06.860 quick to apologize because I think it's a, yeah, I am more quick to apologize because I'm okay
00:57:13.580 with being infallible. There was a time when I couldn't say the words I was wrong,
00:57:18.380 just like Fonzie couldn't say, remember Fonzie? Like I was, I was, yeah, I did that a lot.
00:57:23.500 Now I'm happy because I am fallible and I'm okay with being fallible at 39.
00:57:28.040 But it doesn't affect, doesn't affect your ego. People are afraid their ego is not their amigo.
00:57:33.260 So they don't want to they don't want to say they're wrong because it makes you know, it makes them feel bad.
00:57:38.840 I mean, what about that? Yeah, no, my my ego and I have come to terms, I think, a long time ago.
00:57:44.780 And the ego, your ego can really get in the way of having an enjoyable life.
00:57:50.080 It can get in the way of happiness, Mark. You're the author on it.
00:57:53.360 And let's talk about it. Let's talk about it because it's time for gratitude.
00:57:56.500 To me, the antidote to stinking thinking is gratitude.
00:58:01.260 If you're going through a tough time at any given moment, just flip the thoughts to what you're grateful for, which is what we're going to do as we end our show.
00:58:10.180 Every time before I go to sleep, I write down the top five things for which I'm most grateful.
00:58:13.960 I've been doing that for 20 years.
00:58:15.740 Jonna, what are you grateful for at this moment?
00:58:18.280 i am grateful for having the opportunity to talk about some of these inner dare i say
00:58:26.440 non-legal topics with you and all of those who are listening to us and hopefully still listening
00:58:33.900 to us without being like what the hell are these two told what what is this dr phil or is this
00:58:38.300 no no they get it they get it our people get it they get it and i also want to so let me say that
00:58:43.780 Let me be grateful for all those people.
00:58:45.800 So you made me look at the comments from last week's show,
00:58:50.000 which you know I usually do like this.
00:58:52.000 And I did.
00:58:52.820 And I want to say thank you to all the people
00:58:54.420 who did write very nice things about us and about the show.
00:58:57.440 That was a nice little surprise, and I really appreciate that.
00:59:00.420 Thank you.
00:59:01.140 No, I'm extremely grateful, too, for all the people who listen,
00:59:04.800 who view us.
00:59:05.880 I'd be even more grateful if you tell friends to come.
00:59:08.540 I mean, we've got a special thing going here.
00:59:09.900 I'd love to see more comments, even those that are not good.
00:59:13.240 you would call it not good. Lose Mark. Yeah. Okay. That's cool. That's good. Let Donna talk
00:59:18.840 by herself. I love it all. I really do. Please keep those comments coming in. I'm extremely
00:59:23.920 grateful for the time that I spent with my kids this weekend. It was just beautiful time. It's
00:59:29.020 just wonderful. I'm grateful that I came home, got to kiss and hug my wife. My two dogs are
00:59:33.540 waiting for me. I can't wait to go play with them. I'm grateful that I gave it my all in court
00:59:37.840 and fortunately got a decent outcome.
00:59:41.080 And I'm just, I'm grateful for you, Jonna,
00:59:43.260 as always, I'm really appreciative.
00:59:45.240 Thank you.
00:59:46.060 Ditto, ditto, babe.
00:59:48.020 See you guys next week.
00:59:49.320 We'll see you all next, right, let's take it home.
00:59:51.440 Guys, thank you all for joining us.
00:59:53.660 Comment below, invite your friends.
00:59:56.220 We read it all.
00:59:57.240 I give your comments thumbs up.
00:59:58.880 Thank you so much every now and then I comment back too.
01:00:01.140 And I'm extremely grateful Jonna and I both really are.
01:00:04.480 We look forward to seeing you.
01:00:06.000 Jonna, you want to say something?
01:00:07.000 I'm sorry.
01:00:07.280 One little last thing, guys.
01:00:08.500 Go, go.
01:00:09.240 When you're making your comments, whether they're good or bad,
01:00:11.260 when you look up on the channel and you see that we are this close to 100,000 subscribers,
01:00:19.200 call all your friends, create some fake profiles, whatever you got to do.
01:00:23.980 Oh, God.
01:00:24.620 No, I don't believe in that.
01:00:25.620 Okay, okay.
01:00:26.820 But when we get to 100,000, it's going to be a big time.
01:00:30.280 Let's make it real.
01:00:31.180 Let's make it real.
01:00:31.780 Anyway, guys, we look forward to seeing you next week.
01:00:34.380 I hope you choose to have a wonderful week.
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