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00:01:00.000Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.
00:01:06.380Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.
00:01:15.760We have major developments to update you on in America's bombing campaign against Iran.
00:01:20.800As debate over whether we're actually, quote, at war or not becomes a new talking point.
00:01:26.200But first, a glimpse at the future of the Democratic Party.
00:01:30.080If you've been watching any left-wing media of late, you have probably noticed that they were excited about both of the major candidates who ran in the primary to be the Democrats' nominee for Senate in Texas.
00:01:41.780James Tallarico, a Texas state rep, who is a Christian minister in training, faced off against Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett, who, as viewers of this show know, is well known for making some of the wildest claims of anyone in the Democratic Party.
00:01:58.760And also appears to be a ridiculous diva who has her staff carry her bag around for her, carry her little pillow around for her, stuffing it behind her back so she's seated just so while she's on the Hill.
00:02:13.660Acting like she's there as, you know, Queen Elizabeth, as opposed to a duly elected House representative.
00:02:22.740Also, somebody who goes from sounding like a normal American from Texas when she gives her interviews when she first gets elected to someone who sounds like she's from the street when she's in front of a certain camera set with the eyelashes and the fake nails.
00:02:40.720Okay, so there's absolutely nothing genuine about this person.
00:05:52.360So, yeah, I'm thinking given the love that was espoused for her on the set by Rachel and Nicole, you know, maybe one of them will be willing to give up their spot for a black woman in America.
00:06:03.700Isn't that what you're supposed to do?
00:09:08.060We're going to go with a big fat no there, because all I see when I see Pete Buttigieg is I remember Tucker Carlson's joke about him breastfeeding his babies.
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00:12:08.660And that's the problem with Pete Buttigieg's beard and splitting mall or not.
00:12:12.600Well, I mean, this is basically like Pete Buttigieg's living in the woods or whatever is basically Tim Waltz's camouflage hat.
00:12:24.200And I think all of this, there's a lot to say here, but this really – everything you just went over I think illustrates the core problem of the Democratic Party.
00:12:32.060Before Trump, the ideal Democratic politician was somebody who went to Harvard and then Yale Law School and then worked at Goldman Sachs and then moved to McKinsey like Pete Buttigieg basically did, a sort of amalgam of everything I just said.
00:12:46.540And they were just these very kind of a feat, you know, cosmopolitan people who oozed East Coast values and just grew increasingly separate from the ordinary American.
00:12:57.780And then you have Trump comes along who, although he grew up very wealthy and became a billionaire and has lived a very kind of, you know, flamboyant life, he always had this kind of resentment against the elites, partly from growing up in Queens and being looked down on by Manhattan elites even once he was building the largest buildings.
00:13:16.800Things that always made him a man of the people, like even in his tabloid days in New York, he really resonated with – I remember one time he was always, you know, in the news.
00:13:25.460And I remember him saying when I lived in New York at the time, it was like in the late 80s, early 90s, he said, yeah, I go to the construction sites and the guys who recognize me that I'm really happiest about are like the construction guys.
00:13:37.200Like he always wanted that kind of a connection.
00:13:40.080That's what he most valued maybe because that's what he found easiest.
00:13:42.880And Democrats are now in this situation where they're trying so hard to replicate it, but all they know how to do is like mimic it like a monkey.
00:13:51.300You know, like they curse more, like Chuck Schumer goes on, he's like the bastards, you know, which like they told him to do.
00:13:59.060Sometimes he like pretends to almost curse and he's like, God damn – excuse me, God darn it.
00:14:04.040And he pretends like he's so angry that he just can't control himself.
00:14:07.780And this is what – this is why they think Jasmine Crockett is appealing because they think she is what Trump is.
00:14:13.460The problem is, among many, one of the main problems is that it's all vapid when these Democrats are doing it.
00:14:20.900Like what does Pete Buttigieg stand for, right?
00:14:23.140Trump came in with this whole, you know, very aggressive, assertive, puge personality, didn't abide by any of the comportmental limits or roles that politicians used to be forced to abide by.
00:14:33.000But he had a very clear set of political beliefs, love him or hate him, immigration, trade, U.S. foreign policy, war, the unfairness of how America is treated by other countries.
00:14:44.920It was a very – you know, tough on crime.
00:14:47.260These were things that were like the bedrock of his worldview.
00:14:51.140Tell me what Jasmine Crockett or Pete Buttigieg believe in that's even remotely on the same level of conviction aside from social issues like culture work.
00:15:10.340So let me just add one more point, which is this is very much similar to AOC, by the way.
00:15:14.780Like I just want to say like one of the things that Marjorie Taylor Greene first said – I've always liked Marjorie Taylor Greene.
00:15:19.860I always thought Marjorie Taylor Greene still do think she's very smart and insightful.
00:15:23.240And, of course, Democrats look at her and think she's stupid because she has a Southern accent.
00:15:26.680I've always thought she was very smart.
00:15:28.300And one of the things Marjorie Taylor Greene used to always say about AOC because she served in the House with her all those years, she didn't attack AOC the way most people on the right did.
00:15:36.620Oh, she's a communist, she's a socialist, she's a radical.
00:15:39.700That's like giving too much credit to AOC.
00:15:41.840That suggests that AOC has these like bedrock convictions that are immovable.
00:15:50.040And so Marjorie Taylor Greene would always attack AOC not by calling her a communist but by saying she's a fraud and a tool of the establishment and a conniver and a climber, which is exactly what AOC is.
00:16:01.160She's become – she went from we're going to do a revolution against the Democratic Party to the most valuable weapon the Democratic Party has.
00:16:08.140And I think that's true of like Jasmine Crockett, this perception that she's on the left.
00:16:22.300They are the byproduct of this very elite East Coast kind of culture that they know now they have to distance themselves from, but it's in their blood and bones.
00:16:32.360No matter how, what accent you use or what kind of ghetto talk you try and pretend you have or you dress up in like plaid shirts and go out into the woods, it just oozes out of you.
00:16:41.760And people can smell that authenticity.
00:16:44.140That's one thing you cannot fool Americans about.
00:16:45.960That is speaking of the fake accent and Jasmine Crockett, we've got to play this, that her her miraculous turnaround.
00:16:54.040Normally, if you grow up, you know, talking street, most people who would run for federal office might might aspire to, like, get rid of that accent and just speak with with a regular accent.
00:17:05.080And she went the opposite way in order to up her cool factor and wound up making a fool out of herself.
00:17:42.640They send them to Florida, every deplorable state that we can think about.
00:17:45.780They usually coming out of y'all's think tank.
00:17:48.220There was someone that talked to me and said, in fact, a former ambassador in the Clinton administration.
00:17:54.940Don't tell me to calm down because y'all talk noise and then you're out of control.
00:17:59.700He said, Jasmine, what you have to realize is that if you are really going to make change, it's not going to be in the Texas house.
00:18:08.620He said, you did a great job playing defense, but you have a chance to play offense.
00:18:13.840Someone on this committee then starts talking about somebody's bleach blonde, bad built butch body.
00:18:20.340OK, so she's a fraud and it didn't take much for even the Texas Democrats who are real Democrats to see right through her, Glenn.
00:18:33.000And she got that seat running as the girl in the red velvet jacket there who was just sort of sweet sounding normal, had gone to law school, had been a public defender and was trying to represent her hometown community.
00:18:47.240And then she turned into this sort of wannabe rap star with the way she spoke and what she said and some sort of badass street fighter.
00:18:59.120And they bounced her ass right out of there.
00:19:02.540Yeah, that is one thing I actually disagreed with you about in your intro when you said you thought she was headed toward an MS Now show.
00:19:09.220I actually think she's headed to like some Housewives franchise on Bravo.
00:19:14.040Like, that's always what she's most reminded me of.
00:19:33.660But they're all negative traits, right?
00:19:36.120Like, if I go onto the street and start stabbing my eyes out with a fork, a lot of people are going to look at me more than like the people walking to their office.
00:19:42.280It doesn't mean it's a positive thing, but it is true.
00:19:48.640You know, like Donald Trump proved more than anybody and understood more than anybody, media attention and fame and just having attention always being on you is an incredible political asset.
00:20:00.240She had that advantage a zillion times over James Tallarico because she did get catapulted by the CNNs and MSNBCs, now MSNs, into this national figure.
00:20:11.800And her name recognition was 40 points higher.
00:20:15.240But the more they looked at her and the more they heard from James Tallarico, they're like – it isn't even just an electability issue where they thought James Tallarico was more electable.
00:20:24.620It's just that they turned away from her.
00:20:26.620And her campaign matched that diva behavior that you were describing.
00:20:29.840They were aggressive with reporters, kicking reporters out who wrote negatively about her, barely even campaigning, not doing any of the things that – they barely had a campaign.
00:20:38.940It was just a disorganized mess that she thought she was going to win on the strength of her personality.
00:20:43.180The more Texans saw for South Texas Democrats.
00:20:44.900Reports – we covered this last year that she's lazy, that she wasn't showing up to Capitol Hill for the hearings.
00:20:54.760She wanted to be driven around in fancy cars and, you know, make sure somebody opens the door for her and be treated like, you know, the queen she thinks she is.
00:21:21.740Like, she wanted us to believe over and over that she had some, like, hardscrabble background and she really climbed her way up, just like AOC.
00:22:54.340We definitely did not have a pond with exotic fish nor a bull on Wimbledon or anything even remotely similar to that.
00:23:01.040It's like the way Megan, that AOC, tries to pretend that she's from the Bronx when in reality she's from Westchester.
00:23:07.440And I wanted to make this point about Jasmine Crockett.
00:23:09.880It's like if somebody grows up in the inner city or in a predominantly black neighborhood where in the south or wherever where people do speak that way,
00:23:19.320and then they kind of learn when they enter professional contacts to speak a little bit differently.
00:23:42.820Like she is a very – I think a lot of people look at black Democrats, especially like black women, and if they're particularly boisterous, even more so like a Maxine Waters or whatever,
00:23:52.340and they say, oh, they must be like super left-wing, the reality is often they're not.
00:23:57.020Even mostly they're like funded by AIPAC.
00:24:01.080Maxine Waters was the chair of the financial services committee for years, and all the bankers loved her.
00:24:08.080These are people who go and make themselves, as Marjorie Hill Green said about AOC, establishment tools.
00:24:14.440And that's what makes it extra offensive that Jasmine Crockett pretends to be this because if it'll – like, you know, Jesse Jackson would speak like that.
00:24:52.820I don't know if you are, but like when you said, like, oh, listen to these MS Now liberals saying how great both Jackson Crockett and James Tyler Rico are, and the first voice is Nicole Wallace.
00:25:00.460I still – like, Nicole Wallace, 20 years ago, was George Bush and Dick Cheney's communications director defending the Iraq War, defending every one of those conservative policies.
00:25:13.020And she supposedly just got alienated from Bobbukins because she didn't like Trump, but she had a complete transformation and turned into an overnight liberal for her career.
00:25:22.380But in any event, yeah, I mean, the idea that, like, these two are the future of the Democratic Party – and notice, it's all surface stuff.
00:25:31.680It has nothing to do with, like, the agenda.
00:25:34.920Let's check in on another James Tallarico Sot to see if he's the future of the Democrat Party and is going to fly as a statewide choice in Texas.
00:25:43.440Here he is in November 2022 at his home church.
00:25:47.020Before we go further, I want to acknowledge that our trans community needs abortion care, too.
00:25:53.380Defending trans Texans is something we have to do every day at the state capitol.
00:25:58.140And you better believe I'll be giving sermons on that, too.
00:26:01.360So when I use the word woman, it should not be understood as an exhaustive term, but rather as a lens through which to understand, examine, and interrogate patriarchy.
00:26:12.420Similar to how we specify anti-black racism when talking about police violence, sometimes it's helpful to locate a particular moment within a particular movement.
00:26:48.320But can you imagine this guy versus Ken Paxton in a race?
00:26:51.900He's glad that he's going to get eaten alive.
00:26:55.820You know, well, just first of all, like, it is interesting because Christianity can have kind of a left-wing tinge, like in Latin America, for example.
00:27:21.900Yeah, I mean, the pope has, you know, against the death penalty, you know, always against wars, condemning aggression.
00:27:30.000So you can make a—you can definitely construct a very Christian, like, genuinely Christian argument for, like, left-wing or liberal economic populism and foreign policy non-interventionism for sure.
00:27:58.220And I don't think that, by the way, that most voters vote on trans stuff.
00:28:02.520But if there's a perception that somebody so far afield, like, sounding is—like, he's not just saying, like, hey, let's be kind and, you know, decent and tolerant to our trans neighbors.
00:28:12.600He's saying the Bible teaches that trans people have to get abortions, too.
00:28:17.100Like, it just—that stuff sounds so extremist that even though that isn't their main issue or close to it, it just—it makes them seem, again, like, very distant from their everyday lives and what they think about and how they speak.
00:28:28.800Yes, especially when he's saying God is non-binary, like, all of it is going to make wonderful campaign ads.
00:28:36.480I know the Democrats today, some of them are heaving a sigh of relief that he prevailed over Crockett, who many did not believe had a chance at statewide office in Texas.
00:28:47.400And they think this guy is sort of the kinder, gentler, you know, more sellable candidate.
00:28:55.280But I'm not entirely sure of that, to be honest, because he's pretty radical in his policies, as we've been playing in the first 26 minutes here.
00:29:03.420And it's just going to get shoved down his throat no matter who the Republican candidate is.
00:29:07.560It's just another example, as far as I'm concerned, of Democrats not understanding the constituency.
00:29:12.840Before we leave Jasmine Crockett, because we may be leaving her forever, depending on, you know, what happens with her.
00:29:18.240Unless we cover—let's we do a podcast together about Bravo shows, in which case we might have the opportunity to cover her.
00:29:24.000Well, whenever you're on, we do that toward the end.
00:29:27.260And today we do have more Michelle Obama for you, Glenn Greenwald.
00:29:30.260But let's not leave Jasmine before showing Benny's comparison of Jasmine Crockett's district in South Dallas with her hometown.
00:29:40.380Here's what your average street looks like in South Dallas, where Jasmine Crockett represents.
00:29:46.080Best part about Jasmine Crockett's district is free public bathrooms.
00:29:50.540And here's what your average street looks like in St. Louis, in the suburbs where Jasmine Crockett's from.
00:29:56.320Here's an elementary school in the heart of Jasmine Crockett's district.
00:29:59.400Let's go ahead and check on the environment in which these kids are learning.
00:30:02.820You have burned down buildings in every direction.
00:31:22.220In any event, it's one thing if it's authentic.
00:31:23.820And it's another if it's an affectation and it really doesn't take much to see the difference.
00:31:29.440Yeah, I mean, I think basically the two things that are most destructive for a political candidate are, number one, feeling, seeming like they're tied to the establishment.
00:31:39.280I do think that was Kamala Harris's biggest problem.
00:31:41.360I think I've said before on your show, my impression of her is always that she had just walked out of like a board of directors meeting of Aetna where they were doing like actuary tables and she was like the general counsel.
00:32:13.640And that's what Pete, that's Pete Buttigieg's problem.
00:32:15.680You know, he can wear as many like camouflage hats as he wants.
00:32:18.240He's never going to escape what he really is.
00:32:20.620And as you said at the beginning, it's very effete.
00:32:23.340It's not because he's gay or anything else.
00:32:24.840He's just like very, he wanted to go and just like work with numbers in an office and just like be a very kind of rule abiding, you know, conformant.
00:32:48.120But at the core, you need to be authentic because, as I said before, especially more so now where there's so much exposure there, you know, they don't just go on like Sunday shows or a presidential debate twice a year.
00:33:00.160If you're fake, people are going to sniff it out.
00:33:01.760Well, it's funny how all these Democrats in trying to figure out how to make themselves have mass appeal are growing facial hair from Ezra Klein to Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut to now Pete Buttigieg.
00:33:15.780Like, I'm going to start looking like Paul Bunyan and that will make me sellable to the larger electorate.
00:33:23.380So The Atlantic bought it hook, line and sinker and sitting with Buttigieg.
00:33:27.180And they write that the title of the piece, as I mentioned, is Pete Buttigieg in the Wilderness.
00:37:08.200He sounds like the younger member of the old Democratic Party, the one that flourished before Trump, brainy, credentialed and elite, liberal, but not progressive and personable.
00:37:20.720But this might be key, frightfully boring.
00:37:27.800Who could be safer than a politician who has had his card punched at all the great meritocratic institutions and who has followed the modern cursus honorum, some sort of Latin honorum, from local office to national?
00:38:30.760I'm sure J.D. Vance is getting exactly this treatment in The Atlantic.
00:38:34.240Um, social psychology has documented something known as the pretfall effect, the distrust of people deemed too perfect.
00:38:43.440It turns out that people like smart, charismatic types, but they really like smart, charismatic types who screw up now and then and do not just ace every test and land every joke.
00:38:54.400Like, this, it's the interview question.
00:39:03.380And this writer, hook, line, and sinker, as I said, Graham Wood, who teaches at Yale and is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, was like, I'm in love.
00:39:14.980No, but you know what's so funny, Megan, is when I was just describing why Pete Buttigieg is such a pathetically weak candidate, why he'll never have this, like, compelling appeal, I actually sounded almost identical to the, to the Atlantic article, at least until I got to the part about how he's too perfect, that he is, like, from a different political era, like, from the Obama era, where people wanted technocrats and, like, very kind of cold, you know, people who came out of establishment institutions.
00:39:43.500The authority and credibility of all those institutions are in collapse.
00:39:47.820And the more you have to do with them, the more you smell like them, the more you seem like you're a byproduct of them, the weaker you are.
00:39:54.720So, yeah, maybe he would have been a good, like, candidate in, in, like, the Democratic Party of Barack Obama in 2012 or 2008.
00:40:02.740Trump destroyed all of that, that, that political era, that whole political appeal.
00:40:06.980And you see, like, smarter politicians like Gavin Newsom who realize that and are also trying to show that they're just kind of, like, regular guys who speak in regular speak.
00:40:16.980Pete Buttigieg doesn't have it in him.
00:40:18.860And that, the Atlantic is, like, ground zero for political, a steady political establishment.
00:40:24.800And so, of course, they still think those are appealing traits when, in reality, they're fatal.
00:40:29.420Yes, so, and by the way, Newsom is another person lying about his origin story.
00:40:36.140And one other excerpt from this piece.
00:40:38.300He never spoke more slowly or sounded more rehearsed than when I asked him about the issue he will be most harshly critiqued on if he runs, his silence during Biden's cognitive decline.
00:40:50.020Quote, we all saw what we saw, that he was old, he said.
00:40:55.160I never saw a decision that was different or worse because he was old, end quote.
00:41:01.600And as long as the decision-making was sound, Buttigieg had no duty to pull a senility alarm.
00:41:08.940Well, this will be a problem for Pete Buttigieg among other Democrats running.
00:41:13.600Why didn't they say anything about Biden's cognitive decline?
00:41:17.160He was part of the administration, said nothing.
00:41:20.040Gavin Newsom wasn't part of the administration, but he's also going to get questioned about it because he was such a huge Gavin Newsom.
00:41:25.960Sorry, well, yeah, Gavin Newsom backer, but Joe Biden backer.
00:41:30.140The Emerson poll that was most recent on Democratic presidential possibilities hit February 26th, says the following.
00:43:43.020If you ever lend me a book, that's why I don't go to the library, because I can never return the book.
00:43:46.660I have to underline, and then what I'll do is I'll take what's underlined, and then I'll put it out, and this is literally an actual example.
00:43:53.860I'll just put in pieces of paper everything I underlined, and then I'll do that for hours and hours and hours, and then eventually I'll put it on a little yellow card, which will have just quick notes, and then it's in my head.
00:44:33.680I actually don't doubt him that he's got some sort of a learning disability, because Yashar Ali, who worked in his office, has said online this has long been known about him.
00:45:50.340No, and he's digging himself out of the hole that he created –
00:45:54.720Right, but why did he create that hole?
00:45:55.580In front of that largely black audience.
00:45:57.420Right, but why did he create that hole?
00:45:58.920Because he was trying to be relatable.
00:46:00.180Like, yes, I know when I was, you know, 18 or 20, I was best friends with this billionaire family that financed my businesses and financed my political career.
00:48:34.420And exactly, you know, when he was asked about things like his father's wealth and the opportunities, you know, he didn't say, no, I grew up very, you know, exactly what you said.
00:48:43.440Like, and it does give the impression that Trump always is willing to tell the truth.
00:48:55.680I mean that when he talks about himself and just kind of, like, being conversant, he, like, almost lacks that filter that politicians have where you calculate what you're going to say to, like, calibrate it for the best effect on the audience.
00:49:09.160Many, many times that Trump speaks, he just simply lacks it.
00:49:41.660And as for Gavin Newsom, Gordon and Ann Getty paid about $233,000 toward his first wedding reception.
00:49:52.200His 30th birthday party given by the Getty's was Great Gatsby themed down to the Flappers and Charlestons.
00:50:00.680And per the San Francisco Chronicle in 2003, in 10 of Gavin Newsom's first 11 businesses, the primary money came from, you guessed it, the Getty family.
00:50:11.280Once again, Glenn, did you have some billionaire family like the Astors or the Rockefellers or the Vanderbilts or the Getty's paying for anything in your life?
00:50:23.280No, no one did other than this guy who's trying to convince us he's a man of the people.
00:50:29.240You know, when you when you that is amazing.
00:50:31.300Like he was basically like an honorary Getty.
00:50:33.280I don't like they really took a gigantic interest in, like, every aspect of his funding, his wedding and throwing birthday parties for him and investing in 10 of his.
00:50:42.380I mean, that connection, he didn't just know the Getty's.
00:50:45.920It was an extremely deep and intricate relationship.
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00:53:04.980She sat down with Conan O'Brien, and you're going to be shocked, shocked to learn she feels that there's a double standard when it comes to first families, depending on skin color.
00:53:50.440You know, I mean, there's absolutely no way that the behavior in this current administration would have been accepted by the first black family in the White House.
00:55:18.180And this, you know, this grievance is from her is, I don't understand why, is there nobody near her who says, you know, Michelle, you're one of the richest and most famous women in the world.
00:55:29.880You spend your time traveling around the world on, like, Richard Branson's yacht and, you know, with Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos in the most luxurious places.
00:55:38.440You have a gigantic estate in Martha's Vineyard in a bigger mansion or a big, huge mansion, multimillion dollar mansion in Washington.
00:55:45.400You were the first lady, your husband was the president of the United States, every door is open for you.
00:55:49.040Maybe, like, just tune to turn, tune down a little bit on the constant grievance because you're not really, like, a major figure of sympathy.
00:56:45.500She did not have to get perfect grades.
00:56:47.400In fact, this system bent over backward to help her get into our most elite institutions, despite the fact that she failed to do that.
00:56:56.800Trump and his bankruptcies happened because he spent his life for decades as a businessman taking massive risks in real estate, one of the most volatile industries we have.
00:57:07.540And he played the system just like all people in that business do, something she would know nothing about because she'd done nothing prior to becoming first lady.
00:57:16.380She spent a few years at a white shoe law firm in Chicago.
00:57:51.980And, you know, I, I heard Obama himself talking the other day about his library and he was talking about how there's going to be a whole wing of the library for what people really want to see, which were Michelle's dresses.
00:58:03.240It wasn't like she innovated the position of first lady and took on, you know, she did some stuff on like children eating well, which is fine.
00:58:09.340It's a good cause, like not to be obese and to exercise, but it wasn't like she was some driving force or intellectual pioneer in that position.
00:58:16.720She really was most known for her, her love of fashion, you know, and her relationship with the world of fashion.
00:58:22.660That's really what she most became known for.
00:58:25.100And also the Obama presidency was far, far, far from perfect.
00:58:31.080They, they let huge millions and millions of people go underwater, get expelled from their, evicted from their home because of their inability to pay mortgage.
00:58:38.440They had a gigantic fund, all those drone attacks and wars overseas.
00:58:42.100They destroyed Libya and he got reelected.
00:58:44.660So where's this, this framework that if you're black, you have to be perfect in order to succeed when her own husband is a living, breathing testament of the falsity of that.
00:58:54.800The other piece of it is Glenn, like you would think as first lady, all these years later, if somebody says to you, you know, I remember I was at a military base with you.
00:59:02.780And so both of these two, the, what Conan O'Brien, I was waiting for him to say was maybe you were so great with the troops, the way you guys interacted.
00:59:12.220It seems so authentic to me, like how, how much you loved them or could you believe how bad-ass those guys were?
00:59:18.180You know, they were huge and they were bad-ass MFers or for her, even not having it teed up that way to go there.
00:59:24.620Like that's the normal instinct by most patriots to, to make it about the guys and the gals who you saw at the military base.
00:59:32.620But both of them were determined to make it about her and not just her, but about racial grievance again with some slips in some digs at Trump.
00:59:46.720This is the only lens through which she sees her experience as first lady.
00:59:50.820There's no gratitude, not even for the troops, not a word about how tough they were or amazing they were or how selfless they were in their sacrifice.
00:59:59.660Just her sacrifice in having to be first lady for eight years and deal with the abject racism of the country.
01:00:08.980I'm sorry, but like, I am done listening to her fucking line with the help of, as you point out, little white liberals who are begging for her to pat them on the head.
01:00:18.400It's an, I don't know about you, Megan, but I, I kind of do actually.
01:00:21.580And I, I can say for myself, like whatever I have in this world, I'm constantly grateful for it.
01:00:30.280Like I, I know that I have things that other people don't.
01:00:33.160And the idea that I would go around, like, not just complaining to myself or in my private realm, but like demanding that the public listen to me as I complain about the unfairness of my life.
01:00:45.520You know, it's like, if you're poor, if you are downtrodden, you've had a lot of tragedy in your life.
01:01:03.780She can't even pretend to like, remember that visit to the base being about her being impressed with overseas troops and the sacrifices they make and the courage to make was like politics.
01:01:35.200The stories they tell you, if you're inquisitive, Michelle, if you actually bother to speak with the troops about their experiences, you might learn about what they've had to deal with.
01:01:44.400About like, just, I remember one guy, um, talking to me about the pterodactyl style, a size mosquitoes that they had to deal with.
01:01:52.880And when they were out on their morning 5k, uh, in some of the deployments, like just things you wouldn't think of, you know, you think of the enemy, you think of gunfire.
01:02:00.300You don't think of things like that, like pterodactyl size mosquitoes.
01:02:04.280In any event, she's always about herself.
01:02:24.040Um, you mentioned Barack Obama droning people, um, and that brings us to warfare and Iran.
01:02:31.220We had a briefing from press, uh, from Pentagon, uh, chief Pete Hegseth, secretary of war, along with the chairman of the joint chiefs, Dan Raisin came this morning.
01:02:40.240And here was a bit of how that sounded.
01:04:05.000And it doesn't seem like they're leaning toward taking the out that a lot of MAGA has been begging them to take, Glenn, which is just say it's a success right now.
01:05:06.160As you know, of course, President Bush made that, George W. Bush made that notorious trip with the gigantic mission accomplished banner behind him,
01:05:13.340which, I mean, I understand from the military perspective, they did what they were at first told to do.
01:05:17.680But as we know, that accomplished nothing.
01:05:19.360We did end up being sucked in to Iraq.
01:05:22.520On top of that, even Tony Blair, one of the primary decision makers that led to the Iraq war, that advocated it, admits in retrospect that the power vacuum that we created is what gave rise to ISIS,
01:05:32.820that extremism and all kinds of terrorism can emerge when you take out a government and crush the civil society.
01:05:42.860Yes, they can just say, okay, we're done.
01:05:45.500But then the question is, what did that accomplish?
01:05:47.800Remember, the whole thing was justified at first on the grounds that the Iranian government is, you know, slaughtering all of its citizens, killed however many protesters.
01:05:55.500The number constantly changes, but they killed a lot.
01:05:57.100And we were so concerned about that, we wanted to change the government, liberate the Iranian people.
01:06:01.760If we're going to do that, it's obviously going to take months and years of nation building, which is what Pete Hex says is scorning.
01:06:09.320But if we don't do that, what have we achieved?
01:06:12.520We're going to smash this country, leave it in a kind of Syria or Libya-like state where we bombed all their police stations.
01:06:27.100How does that make the United States safer?
01:06:29.740It doesn't, just like the Iraq war didn't.
01:06:33.280President Trump doesn't seem to have a clear plan in mind when it comes to the Ayatollah succession plan, like who's likely to be elevated.
01:06:42.360He said to the media the other day, you know, we had a couple of people in mind, but now they're all dead.
01:06:47.720It looks like they may have elected Khamenei's son to be the next supreme leader.
01:06:54.360Not totally clear to me whether that's a done deal or whether it's just heading in that direction right now.
01:06:58.940But by some accounts, he's even more hard line than the old man was.
01:07:02.820And there's a question now about, are we already headed to a place where we, the new boss is worse than the old boss?
01:07:12.180First of all, this does seem very similar in a way, and I think a lot of people on MAGA are hoping it ends up similar to what happened in Venezuela, which is where we heard for weeks and months about Maduro and all the evils of the Maduro government.
01:07:25.620It was a communist regime that destroyed liberty and destroyed the country, and that was the original impetus for the war in a lot of people's minds.
01:07:33.380And then Trump goes in, takes out Maduro, doesn't do much else, blew up some boats, and left the entire rest of the government in place, which I'm glad about.
01:07:41.400I'm glad we didn't destroy the Venezuelan government and the nation built in Venezuela.
01:07:44.660But the question then is, like, what did that achieve?
01:07:47.300We were able to run Venezuela, which we're basically doing.
01:07:52.620Are we going to just go in and say, OK, we killed the Ayatollah, we killed some senior leadership, and now the country, we're just going to leave it as is, govern the way it was before?
01:08:01.840He was asked specifically about the Shah of Iran, which is what all these Iranian exiles want, is the Shah of Iran's son to go be reinstalled.
01:08:08.720And when they asked Trump about it, he sounded exactly like when he sounded when they asked if Maria Machado was going to go and rule Venezuela.
01:08:15.180He was like, yeah, he's a nice guy, but I prefer somebody who's actually in the country, who's popular in the country.
01:08:20.500I don't think Trump wants a radical change in the governance.
01:08:23.900The problem, Megan, is that once you start a war like this, you can't control what the other side does.
01:08:28.880If they do things that require escalation, require retaliation, other countries get involved.
01:08:35.980And that's what scares me the most is not that Trump wants endless war.
01:08:39.000He doesn't want to be there for years.
01:08:40.420But sometimes when you start a war like this, you have no choice.
01:08:43.000Bush didn't intend to be in Iraq for years either or in Afghanistan for 20 years, and yet we were.
01:08:47.140The reporting today is from Reuters that because there's a report that we're running low on our interceptors for these missiles at our outposts and domestically.
01:09:21.620I've heard as low as $4 million, but, I mean, the official said $12 million.
01:09:25.520And you can be using them to take out a $30,000 drone.
01:09:29.160So it's like it's a very—the ratio is not great for us because they've got a lot of drones, the Iranians do, and they have missiles, and we need these interceptors for both.
01:09:38.480So now there's a report today from Reuters, per five people familiar with the plan, that the Trump administration plans to meet with executives from the biggest U.S. defense contractors at the White House on Friday to discuss accelerating weapons production as the Pentagon works to replenish supplies.
01:09:54.560We've got Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, all the usual suspects to talk about things like Tomahawk missiles that Raytheon makes and a new agreement with the Pentagon.
01:10:03.720At the same time that Reuters again reports the White House meeting is coming as Deputy Defense Secretary Steven Feinberg has been leading Pentagon work in recent days on a supplemental budget request of around $50 billion that could be released as soon as Friday.
01:10:19.260Today, the new money would pay for replacing the weapons used in recent conflicts, including those in the Middle East.
01:10:24.700$50 billion is a huge, huge number, Glenn.
01:10:28.060It's especially huge in advance of midterms when people are having difficulty paying their rent and their mortgage, and their number one complaint, according to the polls, is the economy.
01:10:39.980I mean, this is everything Trump ran on, not doing.
01:10:46.760This is exactly what Trump told people he would not do, was pursue foreign wars that didn't have a direct threat to the United States and use our resources for Raytheon and Boeing and General Dynamics instead of renewing their communities with infrastructure and with health care and with the kinds of things that Americans should have just to live a decent middle-class life.
01:11:04.500It's a total violation of what he told Americans.
01:11:06.720I'm so glad you brought up, if I can, just quickly about this issue about depleting our stockpiles, especially our anti-missile defenses, which are crucial to how we've been defending Israel.
01:11:15.160So Dan Caldwell is, I think, one of the smartest people on this question.
01:11:23.800In the Pentagon, got booted out in sort of a power play, but he knows as much about, if not more, about this than anything.
01:11:29.440And he talks about how during the 12-day war, the U.S. and Israel had to end that war because, as Trump said, Israel was getting pummeled hard by ballistic missiles, and they were running out.
01:11:40.420What Iran has done in this instance is they're not just sending them to Israel.
01:11:44.780They're sending them to all of the Persian Gulf states on which the United States relies, Saudi Arabia, but especially the Emirates and Bahrain and Saudi Jordan.
01:11:53.080All these states are getting hit, and they don't have very many anti-missile defenses at all.
01:11:59.400And this idea that we're going to just ramp up production, these are extremely complex systems.
01:12:28.440Yeah, and reportedly it's one of the reasons why we waited to even launch this thing because we were considering doing it a few weeks ago when all those protesters were on the streets of Iran.
01:12:39.160But we didn't because we realized we needed to reposition our military assets and we needed to shore up some of these interceptors for the expected missile attacks, both at the U.S. bases and with our friends.
01:12:50.780And now it sounds like we're spread thin.
01:12:52.700Although the good news, if you're looking for good news here, appears to be that, at least for now, the number of missiles being launched out of Iran has gone down.
01:13:04.260Here's General Jack Keene on Fox News yesterday.
01:13:10.440Where we are, it exceeds a lot of expectations here.
01:13:15.480Yesterday, after two days, we have reduced attacks by 50%.
01:13:20.620Today, after three days, we've reduced the attacks by 75%.
01:13:25.400Not only that, this is from ballistic missiles now.
01:13:29.120And not only that, but the Iranians had, through their own intelligence and communication with each other, and obviously we have a capability to understand what they're communicating, what orders they're putting out.
01:13:42.860Their own expectation was salvos, Martha, 25 to 50 salvos.
01:13:49.400And the reason for that is, if you shoot all those missiles at the same time, you're going to overwhelm the Israeli defense systems and overwhelm the U.S. defense systems on our bases.
01:14:00.120Well, they haven't been able to do that.
01:14:04.560Well, I'm not privy to the intelligence I would need to be to say for certain if that's true or not.
01:14:11.280I would put the very strong note of caution that the government and the military in every war, not just our own, but every country's lie to the population, always tell them that we're winning, whether we are or not.
01:14:23.500But let's just assume that that's true, because there is this theory that they've been using their primitive missiles on purpose.
01:14:29.480They're primitive just to exhaust the anti-missile capabilities, and that they're really hypersonic and more advanced ones are ones that they're going to use once those defenses are eroded.
01:14:37.400But let's assume they're running out of missiles or bombing their missile facilities, making the whole point of what happened in the Iraq war between Ukraine and – sorry, the Ukraine war between Ukraine and Russia is that this has been a war that wasn't determined by these big, gigantic, technologically sophisticated missile systems, but by very cheap drones.
01:14:55.720That's what's doing all of the damage on the battlefield, and a lot of the supply that Russia has been using has been coming from Iran.
01:15:01.700That's the thing is you don't need ballistic missiles to do huge damage.
01:15:04.980As you were just describing, you need like $20,000, $30,000 drones that you can shoot huge amounts of, even if you don't have a lot of ballistic missiles left and do a ton of damage, especially if you're eroding the anti-missile capability, not just of the U.S. and Israel, but again, the Persian Gulf countries that are going to start demanding that the U.S. stop because their populations are being exposed to attack.
01:15:25.920And I think there's a lot of complications here that aren't being – it's day five.
01:15:31.620The other thing I'll quickly add is Pete Hegseth said we totally dominate them.
01:15:35.940We have control of their air, their navy, the waters, the navy.
01:15:39.840If we can totally dominate Iran in five days after five days of war, how is it possible at the same time to say that this was some grave power that was threatening the United States when apparently, according to Pete Hegseth, it just all completely crumbled?
01:15:54.760They have like 30-year-old systems, he said, and it's hard to reconcile those claims with the claim that Iran is some sophisticated grave power that can do great damage to Americans at home.
01:16:04.300Well, the president was out there yesterday trying to do some cleanup in aisle seven after Marco Rubio appears to have told the truth to the Gang of Eight and then was kind of forced to say it to reporters because he'd already said it to the Gang of Eight, which is the reason why we launched this attack when we did.
01:16:21.580Instead, that's the most charitable interpretation that the statement was just about timing.
01:16:27.140But Marco Rubio very clearly told reporters that we did it because we knew that there was going to be Israeli action and that there would be a retaliatory strike by Iran against us.
01:16:36.700And we preferred to hit them first, but that BB was in there saying, we're doing it, Israel, and that we made a calculation, we better join with them because we're going to take incoming from Iran in response to that.
01:16:47.940And we don't want to be hit after, like we don't want to be hit before we've hit.
01:16:52.240Here was that comment from Rubio on Monday, Sot 16.
01:16:55.540It was abundantly clear that if Iran came under attack by anyone, the United States or Israel or anyone, they were going to respond and respond against the United States.
01:17:04.800We knew that there was going to be an Israeli action.
01:17:07.640We knew that that would precipitate an attack against American forces.
01:17:10.940And we knew that if we didn't preemptively go after them before they launched those attacks, we would suffer higher casualties.
01:17:17.140There absolutely was an imminent threat.
01:17:18.680And the imminent threat was that we knew that if Iran was attacked and we believe they would be attacked, that they would immediately come after us.
01:17:26.700OK, then there was a follow up by a reporter on site saying, basically, wait, did you just say that we did this because of Israel?
01:17:45.780Because Iran, in about a year or a year and a half, would cross the line of immunity, meaning they would have so many short-range missiles, so many drones, that no one could do anything about it.
01:17:54.100Obviously, we were aware of Israeli intentions and understood what that would mean for us.
01:17:58.040And we had to be prepared to act as a result of it.
01:18:00.060But this had to happen no matter what.
01:18:01.640OK, so that's him saying, ultimately, at some point, we were going to have to hit them.
01:18:07.740But we had to do it now because of Israel, which is like sort of his—it's the same thing as what he said in the first soundbite, which is we had to do this because of Israel.
01:18:16.700And the reporter basically said, did you say we had to do it because of Israel?
01:18:19.440And he said, no, eventually it was going to have to happen, but we did it because of Israel.
01:18:23.200And then yesterday, Rubio went out and spoke to reporters and took umbrage at the fact that they were saying, hey, you said yesterday we had to do it now because of Israel.
01:19:18.440Well, one thing that I know for sure, and Netanyahu has said it many times in the past several weeks, is that this has been his number one wish for 40 years is to lure the United States into a regime change war or a very serious war with Israel's main adversary in the Middle East, which is Iran.
01:19:32.960You can literally go back 40 years to Netanyahu advocating this, and now he says, this has long been my number one wish list.
01:19:39.260This has been the wish list of Israel loyalists and neocons in the United States.
01:19:42.740They planned to do it after Iraq but got tied down in Iraq.
01:19:45.780You can go find 2004 articles where they're like, now we're on to Tehran.
01:19:48.920But the problem that Rubio has – and by the way, other people said exactly what Rubio said, including Tom Cotton and others, because if you think about it –
01:20:24.660Like, why did you just go and attack Iran if they weren't going to attack us?
01:20:27.380So they have to say, oh, no, they were going to attack us, and we wanted to attack first.
01:20:31.260Nobody believes that Iran was just going to, out of the blue, attack the United States and provoke a war that they obviously have been working very hard to prevent.
01:20:40.360So then the question is, why would they attack us?
01:20:42.400And the only cogent, sensible answer that Mark Rubio could have given was, oh, they were going to attack us because Israel was going to attack them, meaning we were forced into this war by what Israel was going to do.
01:20:52.760Go look at how Donald Trump talks to Europe and the leverage he knows he has by virtue of the fact that we spend so much on their defense and he's constantly badgering them and telling them what they can and can't do.
01:21:02.120Israel is a thousand times more dependent on the United States, on our finances.
01:21:15.800So, no, you cannot attack them because that will put our troops in harm's way, which is exactly what happened.
01:21:20.420Six of them died in the first 24 hours.
01:21:23.240So, the question is, why didn't Trump do that?
01:21:25.540And there's a lot of theories about it, but clearly he is somebody who is beholden to Netanyahu and Miriam Adelson and this whole crew that has become dominant.
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01:28:32.940Mark Levin, very, very happy, almost as happy as Lindsey Graham over this whole thing.
01:28:38.340And taking issue with the remarks I made them, many other people made them, that we're angry about those six dead American service men and women.
01:29:23.560But the battle against the Iranian regime, the purpose is to protect the American people, protect our armed forces, protect the homeland, help our allies, protect tens of thousands of people from being slaughtered, who've been slaughtered.
01:29:44.300And yes, retribution, to make it clear that you don't get to do this to us for half a century without any effective response.
01:29:51.200So, of course, if we lose heroes and we lost three and there may be more, the president says likely so because it's a massive military operation.
01:30:25.500You know, for a long time it was taboo to talk about the fact that U.S. foreign policy is driven by Israel and people who in the United States view Israel as their most sacred cause.
01:30:35.060Even though presidents in private have long said that, I mean, there's tapes of Richard Nixon going back and Barry Goldwater said it and you go on and on.
01:30:43.220But in public, nobody was allowed to say it.
01:30:45.180And so the problem was is that we created this climate where a major fact about our foreign policy and about the wars we fight was banned, basically, because you would stand accused of bigotry and racism and anti-Semitism if you said that.
01:30:57.820Thankfully, that taboo is now broken, though they're desperately trying to maintain it.
01:31:01.980And I think the main reason is, of course they are.
01:31:06.420I mean, they don't there's there's too much because of independent media, too many sources of information.
01:31:10.800And, you know, it's like the left found out if you overuse the racism accusation or misogyny or homophobia, you drive it into the point of meaninglessness and nobody cares anymore.
01:31:19.720And that's the same as they found with anti-Semitism.
01:31:22.360If everybody is anti-Semite, it basically now means nothing.
01:31:26.040The reality is that Israel pours huge amounts of money into our political system.
01:31:32.760Right now they're spending, you know, tens of millions of dollars from Miriam Adelson on down to remove Thomas Massey from the Congress in a one single Kentucky district, congressional district, because of his opposition to to the U.S. financing and arming Israel.
01:31:46.700They've succeeded in doing that to many other people.
01:31:48.740People are petrified of the Israel lobby, and that has been a major reason why we've been so willing to send our troops into the Middle East to die for Israel.
01:31:58.760In fact, you know, Megan, during the bombardment of Gaza and then some exchange of missiles, we deployed our own troops to go defend Israel.
01:32:07.160And there were people on military bases who died, American soldiers during that time.
01:32:42.400They haven't fought a war since 1979 because they know how self-destructive they are.
01:32:47.400Yeah, but I'm sure they're building up their interceptors and their military assets quietly, steadily, throwing money at that problem while we're over here expending all of ours.
01:32:58.280For a war that benefits a foreign country, a country of 9 million people, not the country of 350 million people.
01:33:04.520I mean, that's why the Daily Mail has a poll out today talking about where the president's numbers are right now in the wake of this, and it's not good.
01:33:10.720And this is just months before we have the midterms where you've got – it shows President Trump down four points just since Friday.
01:33:18.720They say that he's at 44 percent, down four points since Friday, marking the lowest rating recorded in Daily Mail tracking to date.
01:33:28.400Only 24 percent of voters believe killing Iran's supreme leader will make Americans safer.
01:33:32.48055 percent claim the risk of terror attacks on U.S. soil has gone up because of these strikes.
01:33:38.06040 percent of voters say their view of Trump has become more negative in the last week.
01:33:41.680Compared to 26 percent, their opinion of him has improved.
01:33:46.260And obviously, when asked what the main reason was, their view had worsened.
01:33:58.740Like, to me, I just – it's amazing to me.
01:34:01.400I've gone through this whole crazy thing in the past, you know, I don't know, since last July.
01:34:06.740Since last July, when I made one comment about whether Epstein might have been an asset for the Mossad, and people started calling me an anti-Semite after being ardently pro-Israel and very, very defensive, as I remain, of American Jews.
01:34:29.020So why are they unleashing that term against me?
01:34:30.720And then Charlie was murdered, and the discussion came up about what his feelings were on Israel, and you weren't allowed to even raise that.
01:34:39.020And I had had a conversation with Charlie in August, the month before he was killed.
01:35:43.440And now, honestly, Glenn, I can barely go on X because I get trolled so heavily by the pro-Israel crowd and the Israel first crowd and then the bots.
01:35:55.600There are many, many bots on X that, you know, are part of an operation.
01:36:00.340And then there are many, many live humans on X who actually get $7,000 a tweet.
01:36:04.720People have come out and admitted it from the Israelis to troll anybody who deviates from the party line.
01:36:09.920And so, like, I want the audience to understand that this is happening and it's an effort by a foreign country to silence the views of American about American foreign policy.
01:36:31.680It's quite another to have a foreign country actively interfering online to silence American voices about its interference in our affairs and the lives of our American service personnel.
01:36:46.400You know, Megan, I grew up in, like, an overwhelmingly Jewish, like, subculture.
01:37:15.140And when you see people who you know aren't even – I mean, Megan, you and I have fought on this very show where you were defending Israel.
01:37:22.680Israel, or more so, like, the expulsion of anti-Israel protesters on the grounds of anti-Semitism.
01:37:30.180I mean, this is – like, you forever, you know, have been a stalwart defender of Israel, and simply – and so was Charlie.
01:37:38.720But simply because you both started asking questions about, wait a minute, is this war really in our interest?
01:37:42.920Is this really Israel exerting undue influence?
01:37:44.880And they don't tolerate that debate, and they start shutting it down by calling you a bigot and a racist.
01:37:49.920And when you have the self-possession to know you're not that, you will not be, you know, bullied by it.
01:37:56.440You will not be told that you can't speak about your own country and our government's policies.
01:38:00.980And by doing that, they really have trivialized anti-Semitism, which has long been one of the big dangers because it's supposed to pack a punch.
01:38:06.980Like, you're supposed to not want to be called an anti-Semite publicly, but they've so cynically exploited it into a weapon to force you to pledge loyalty to Israel, just like the left did with the racism accusation, as I said, that it's completely drained it of all its meaning.
01:38:21.380And they've done more than anybody else now, not just to open up what has long been necessary, which is this very serious debate about how much we do for Israel and why, but also they've opened up this world where, you know,
01:38:33.600people don't care anymore about standing accused of that accusation because people see how cynically it's wielded against people who so blatantly are far, far from anything that is recognizable as anti-Semitism.
01:38:46.580Now, you know, I'm so relieved to see you and Tucker, Charlie, before he was murdered, and a lot of other people on the right, Thomas Massey, Roger Charlie Green.
01:38:54.860This is a, you're right, there's a, Benjamin Netanyahu says controlling the message on social media, combating anti-Israel sentiment on social media,
01:39:02.140is one of the most important battles that the Israelis have in their war, and they've done a lot to regain control of social media, including taking TikTok away and giving it to the Ellison family, but, and doing a lot on X as well.
01:39:14.800But it's so much, as somebody who's been criticizing Israel and arguing about this for a long time, it's so much better now than it ever has been that finally we get to have this debate out in the open to the point where there's a New York Times article this morning,
01:39:27.220saying that Trump battles the perception of his own base that this war was for Israel.
01:39:31.280That was unthinkable even five years ago.
01:39:34.820I will say this, in real life, which is not X, I have so many people stop me, Jewish Americans saying, this is such bullshit, we know you're not an anti-Semite, please don't listen to these rabid, you know, folks online, they don't speak for us, and I know that.
01:39:48.860But it is amazing to me just to watch the bullying happen, you know, where, like, they all pile on.
01:39:54.520And I've even noticed that if I put out a tweet that's critical of Israel, or even mildly, you know, or, like, whatever, Lindsey Graham, I'll get completely trolled on my tweet.
01:40:04.660But if somebody who's not considered an Israeli ally, you know, who's been more open in their criticisms of Israel, if they retweet the tweet, it's a very different response.
01:40:15.860Like, they're not, they're not, I don't know if you are or not, but, like, a lot of the people who would retweet something, I would tweet along these lines, they're not actively getting trolled anymore, or maybe they never were.
01:40:25.160Maybe they're people like me who they considered a strong ally, who they think might be waffling.
01:40:30.400They reserve a particular ire for people like that in the same way that, like, if you were a Democrat and you turn on the Democrats, they really pile on you, you know what I mean?
01:40:39.200Like, you've betrayed them, you're supposed to be on their team, and you didn't, you aren't any longer.
01:40:44.340And I'll tell you what, it's like, I'm allowed to have questions about Israel.
01:40:47.920I have been, I haven't been ardently defensive of Israel, you know, for my career, but in general, I mean, as you and I have talked about before, I'm not, like, huge on foreign policy.
01:40:58.300And, you know, I'm mildly supportive of Israel in general, and certainly after 10-7, very defensive of Israel's right to defend itself fully, and really just didn't pay that much attention to the day-to-day conduct of the war, though I saw the terrible headlines.
01:41:10.540My biggest struggle over the past couple of years has been, who do I trust on information, on the death toll, on who's getting, you know what I mean?
01:41:15.880It was like, there's so, Hamas is a propaganda artist, and now what I see is, so is Israel.
01:41:23.080Like, they are absolutely working and paying to manipulate public opinion in the United States as we speak.
01:41:28.820And so I no longer trust them when it comes to messaging either, and I will not be silenced by bullies of any kind, whether it's BLM bullies, whether it's leftist bullies, whether it's, you know, the people who tried to cancel me after Trump and I had that debate bullies, whether it's Vladimir Putin, I will not be silenced by these bullies.
01:41:46.680And you warned them, you warned them, you warned them ahead of time.
01:41:50.040You said, if you think this is going to silence me, it's going to have the opposite effect.
01:41:54.360Yeah, I didn't mean to suggest you were some, like, hardcore Israel crusader, just that, you know, on foreign policy, you worked at Fox.
01:41:59.420I think you were generally supportive of the war on terror mindset with some questions.
01:42:02.920You were never somebody, I guess I just mean that you were never somebody who was, like, an Israel critic.
01:42:08.340And even after October 7th, as you just recounted, and I know for this personally, you were somebody who was mostly sympathizing with Israel.
01:42:15.260They had been attacked, was your view, and these protests were anti-Semitic.
01:42:18.700And to watch them basically pick you up and Charlie up and Tucker as well, and basically turn you into anti-Semites just simply for expressing some questions or doubts, which you have every, not just the right, but the obligation to do as American journalists, as American citizens.
01:42:52.700Like, I've been called all the things.
01:42:53.980So I'm used to being called the things.
01:42:55.620It's not pleasant, but you can't let it silence you.
01:42:59.120I worry more about, like, regular citizens who are having the same doubts I am and experiences kind of blowback in their own personal lives and don't maybe have a platform and don't have, like, a daily reassurance in terms of whatever.
01:43:11.080There's their ability to go out there and keep doing their job that they're secure.
01:43:15.420And so this, like, it has to stop, and we have to speak out about it.
01:43:18.880I still support President Trump fully.
01:43:20.880I am completely rooting for our success in what is clearly a war.
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