From Debates to an Assassination Attempt - Most Memorable ＂Live＂ Megyn Kelly Show Moments in 2024
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In this special episode, we look back at the incredible year that is coming to a close. And we do so through clips from the times we went live on YouTube and Sirius XM from major breaking news moments, so many this past year.
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Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.
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Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show
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and today's Do It Live special episode where we look back at the absolutely incredible year
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And we do so through clips from the times when we went live on YouTube and Sirius XM
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from major breaking news moments, so many this past year.
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Things got busy between the end of June and early November 2024,
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less than four months where we flipped the switch and went live,
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The show airs live every day, of course, on Sirius XM Triumph Channel,
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but I'm talking about extra episodes due to breaking news.
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Some were planned, some definitely were not planned.
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And it began with that first presidential debate between Donald Trump and Joe Biden
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that would be the beginning of the end for the incumbent president as the 2024 nominee.
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A couple weeks later, the shocking assassination attempt in Butler, Pennsylvania,
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which was less than an inch from a national tragedy.
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Then a week later, live again, as Joe Biden dropped out and endorsed Kamala Harris on a Sunday afternoon.
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We had the Trump v. Harris debate a couple of months later and the J.D. Vance versus Tim Wall's debate a few weeks after that.
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And then election night and the moment it became clear that Donald Trump would become the 47th president of the United States.
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So, as we close out 2024, let's relive some of the highlights of this year with the times we spent together trying to make sense of the news in real time.
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Enjoy, and we will see you Monday with the next episode in our True Crime Christmas series.
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His presidential campaign came to an end tonight, whether he knows it or not.
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There will be meetings tonight, first thing tomorrow, amidst Democratic Party leaders about how to get him off the ticket.
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How to change in somebody else there have to be already we're seeing some reaction come in from top Democrats who rarely criticize the president, suggesting he needs to have a serious look at this performance tonight and assess for himself whether he can go forward.
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It that number will mount there will be more and more.
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I sat with my family and friends and for the first 25 minutes of the debate, we kept grabbing each other's arms.
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He was so distant, so frail, so hard to comprehend, so unsteady.
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You honestly didn't know whether he was going to make it through the answer, never mind through the debate, much less through a second term.
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The contrast between Joe Biden and Donald Trump has never been more stark.
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Trump came out calm, cool, collected in his own.
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Donald Trump Jr. tweeted out, I think actually the CNN format helped my dad.
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The inability for him to interrupt Biden did wind up helping Trump and he maintained his dignity for the most part.
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He was in control and strong for the entire time, unlike his opponent.
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I've never seen a politician at any level perform like Joe Biden performed tonight.
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And not only do I have questions about whether he will be his party's nominee, I have questions about whether he could possibly serve out his term.
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He's the president of the United States right now, that man who couldn't spit out numbers or say trillion or billion correctly and lied at every answer because he seemed confused.
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How are the Democrats going to nominate that man?
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And shame on you, Jill Biden, Jill Biden, for allowing that.
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I want answers from all these top Democrats who've been telling us how robust he is behind the scenes.
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Did you not think this moment was going to come that we'd never see this?
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Why did you agree to put him out on the debate stage when you knew what the truth was and that we would eventually find it out for ourselves?
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No one wants to see him embarrassed, but we're embarrassed ourselves tonight.
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And he could very well win a second term if the Democrats continue their lawfare, if the media doesn't do its job, if the Democrats don't do the responsible thing here.
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I want to get to Rich and Emily with their thoughts.
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The argument over whose golf game is better and who has better handicap.
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And if the mics hadn't been cut, it probably would have descended into what the first debate in 2020 was like.
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But Biden was terrible, like nightmarishly bad.
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You know, we both had a lot of experience with Roger Ailes, who was a TV genius, if nothing else.
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And he always said, you know, watch it with the sound down.
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And as soon as Trump, sorry, Biden walked out before he said anything, you're like, oh, my gosh, this guy's president of the United States.
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It looked like he was going to barely make it to the podium.
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He had this blank and confused look on all the split screens when he wasn't saying anything.
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And then when he talked, his voice was incredibly frail and weak.
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They're saying apparently getting out that he had a cold.
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But if he did, he should have said immediately, oh, excuse my voice.
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You know, not every answer, but a lot of the answers just that they started OK and then they faded into something, just a jumble.
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We finally beat Medicare answer towards the beginning was maybe the foremost example of this.
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I think Trump was, you know, about half the debate was was very good.
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I think he got overheated at moments and drawn into things he probably shouldn't have.
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But he had the better night by default, if nothing else.
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Anybody who says Joe Biden won that debate is a dishonest person that you shouldn't be listening to.
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I do want to play that soundbite before I go to you, Emily, that Rich just referenced.
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I mean, we have multiple queued up showing Biden's utter confusion.
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He was confused over very basic facts and it was repeated.
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We have a thousand trillionaires in America, I mean billionaires in America.
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They're in a situation where they, in fact, pay 8.2 percent in taxes.
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If they just paid 24 percent, 25 percent, either one of those numbers, they'd raise 500 million dollars, billion dollars, I should say, in a 10-year period.
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We'd be able to help make sure that all those things we need to do, child care, elder care,
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making sure that we continue to strengthen our health care system, making sure that we're able to make every single solitary person eligible for what I've been able to do with the COVID,
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excuse me, with dealing with everything we have to do with, look, if we finally beat Medicare.
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I mean, I just, I have, I'm looking at my own notes as this unfolded, and here's how they read.
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He beat Medicare, the trillions, the trillionaires, what he's done with COVID.
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So the vast majority of everybody who will consume the debate consumed that moment.
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There's no Joe Biden had a cold that can in any way whatsoever change people's opinion of what they saw happen in front of them on that.
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And, you know, you said when you were in your opening, it sort of gave me chills.
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It's a very sad day to be an American because that is the president of the United States.
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The first lady is responsible for putting him in this position.
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The people close to him are responsible for putting him in this position.
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And on top of that, we're seeing reactions roll in.
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And the New York Times, during the debate, published a story saying that sources were telling one of their columnists, three Democratic sources telling their columnists, that they were just stunned and shocked.
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We saw Casey Hunt say something similar over at MSNBC.
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And I'm curious, are they pretending to be surprised?
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Because people close to Joe Biden who have spent time with Joe Biden have got to have known.
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I mean, we saw him do a press conference not that long ago where he was telling everybody, you know, Robert Hurd was wrong and he was losing track of his sentences there.
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In addition to that Medicare answer, his answer on abortion became an answer on immigration.
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It was another moment where we were all grabbing each other in my house.
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And he brought Lakin Riley into it without naming her.
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This nursing student in Georgia who was murdered by an illegal.
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And frankly, I think it's important to believe in the exception.
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But I believe in the exceptions for rape, incest and the life of the mother.
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The idea that states are able to do this is a little like saying we're going to turn civil rights back to the states.
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Look, there's so many young women who have been including a young woman who just was murdered.
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And the idea that she was murdered by an immigrant coming in.
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There's a lot of young women who are being raped by their in-laws, by their spouses, brothers and sisters.
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I mean, the only word for it is bizarre, right?
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I mean, what is sometimes he's mumbly and confused and kind of know what he's getting at.
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He did improve slightly toward the ends of the 90 minutes.
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He remember at the time we saw him confuse two critical pieces of his legislation.
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I don't remember the two that he got confused, but he was in the midst of trying to make a point about one.
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And he meandered over and started talking about the other.
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He juxtaposed the legislation and trying to make his point.
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He can't keep the facts straight in his own head about something as simple as abortion versus illegal immigration.
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He had his rehearsed lines and like a robot, Emily, he got a glitch that wasn't fixable without the handlers.
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And he spent the last week not being president of the United States, but in Camp David, at Camp David doing debate prep.
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And, you know, OK, not being the president of the United States, he was obviously doing both.
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But it's highly unusual to take an entire week while you're president of the United States, go to Camp David and prep.
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What's even more unusual, obviously, is then to come out looking like there was no prep in the world that could have prepared you to answer a basic question.
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This is medical for all of the conversation about Donald Trump and the 25th Amendment during his presidency.
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I mean, that has to be seriously on the table as the American people figure out what is going on with the man who is making nuclear, nuclear decisions.
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There are two hot wars right now, one in Ukraine, one in the Middle East.
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And this is the man with the power over our military.
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I think what everybody just saw, those clips are going to be so viral.
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Forget how many people actually have been watched this live.
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His entire reputation will be tethered to this for the rest of his life.
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And it kind of makes you think, what were they thinking, right?
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The Trump camp would have said, look, he's running scared.
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But it'd be better to have people saying you can't do it rather than going out and demonstrating you can't do it.
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And, you know, nine o'clock at night for this man now, it's like one in the morning, right?
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This isn't like a president of the United States that we've traditionally seen that doesn't do well in the first debate because they're not prepared, you know, and they're not ready for it and they take it too casually, right?
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No, this is a guy who's been doing nothing else, you know, and probably all day today he was sleeping with cucumber slices over his eyes.
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And this is the best they could get out of him.
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And, you know, these moments, because they're they're weird, you know, maybe they're they're a little funny, probably more sad, as you put it.
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But they're weird, you know, so so they'll be played over and over again.
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And they will be the main impression out of the debate.
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He was trying to become the Republican nominee because he said there are three agencies we should eliminate.
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That was enough to eliminate him as a candidate for president.
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This president can't understand the difference between abortion and illegal immigration.
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We have many more of what's leading to the panic at this moment within the Democratic Party.
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But the Democratic Party is at, I think, a 10 right now.
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This from I mentioned it in reference in passing Nick Kristoff of The New York Times.
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I wish Biden would reflect reflect on this debate performance and then announce his decision to withdraw from this race, throwing the choice of Democratic nominee to the convention.
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Someone like Gretchen Whitmer or Sherrod Brown or Secretary Raimundo could still jump in and beat Trump.
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I, too, was on the phone throughout much of the debate with Obama, world people, with Democrats, with people who are political operatives, with campaign operatives.
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Because my phone really never stopped buzzing throughout.
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And the universal reaction was somewhere approaching panic.
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The people who were texting with me were very concerned about President Biden seeming extremely feeble, seeming extremely weak.
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Yeah, that sounds honest for once from her, Emily.
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But Rich made a really good point just now that it's not necessarily new.
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And there were people who were reporting on this in different publications when they were allowed to who were getting absolutely hammered for trying to tell the American people that there were concerns in private about this.
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So it's hard for me to listen to Joy Reid say that on air right now because I just don't believe, I do not believe, that if she's on the phone with Obama world during this debate, those same people were not telling her it has been bad all along.
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They're not able to get away with the lie anymore.
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I don't think Biden actually even has after watching that.
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I don't think he has the mental capacity to make the decision that Nicholas Kristof is asking him to make.
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Nicholas Kristof is asking him to reflect on the debate and make a decision.
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Joe Biden didn't seem to know where he was at certain moments of that debate.
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There is breaking news out of Pennsylvania, Butler, Pennsylvania to be specific.
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This evening, where former President Donald Trump appears to have been the victim of an attempted assassination.
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He was grazed by a bullet, according to local authorities.
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The Butler County District Attorney, Richard Goldinger, telling the Washington Post that Trump was grazed by gunfire but is safe.
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We are receiving similar messages from the Secret Service that Trump is safe and that he's been removed from the scene, but he was bloodied and he was grazed by gunfire.
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The latest reporting out of the Washington Post, again, citing the local district attorney from Butler County, is that an audience member was killed and the shooter is dead as well.
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Another person said to be in serious condition, according to this prosecutor.
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Again, this is from the prosecutor to the Washington Post.
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To reiterate, Trump grazed by gunfire, an audience member was killed.
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Killed, we understand, by either Secret Service or by local law enforcement, who we believe unleashed fire once the former president had been grazed.
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Another person in serious condition at this hour.
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And that Donald Trump is receiving medical care at this hour.
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And I'm sure it will be very thorough, even though he looks like he's all right.
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They need to make absolutely sure that that's the case.
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We're going to play the video for you now as we have it.
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We believe at this hour that what comes after is return gunfire by law enforcement.
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And in an incredible scene, you will see President Trump get back to his feet, fist up in the air, appearing to say the words, fight.
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We see something that said, take a look at what happened.
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an absolute showing of resilience and strength by Donald Trump, who under the absolute worst
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of circumstances managed to stop the Secret Service as they were escorting him out of a
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dangerous scene, saying to them, first, where are my shoes? And then saying, wait, putting his right
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fist in the air with blood covering his face because it's very clear he was hit. Again,
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the word they're using is grazed along the ear, the right ear, blood on his face, pumping his fist
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in the air. And it seemed clear to me he mouthed the word fight, fight repeatedly. And the crowd
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broke out into chants of USA. For the listening audience now, the American flag being waved in
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the air above that fist. This is a close up of the grazing along the upper part of his outer right
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ear. And you could hear the former president speaking. He sounded lucid and OK. You know,
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the comment, where's my shoes? You know, he wanted his shoes. Makes you wonder whether he was confused
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about what exactly had just happened to him as opposed to just getting the heck out of there
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as someone was clearly trying to take the president's life. We kick off our special coverage
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right now with Rich Lowry of National Review, editor of National Review. Rich, it's a shocking
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moment in American history in the context of this race and in the context of the messaging
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almost universal, unless you're a fan of Donald Trump's or a fair cover of him like like you are
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about the messaging around him, the rhetoric around him. I'm not blaming this on rhetoric,
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but we would be derelict if we did not mention how it has been dialed up. And in particular,
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it has been dialed up as I think the left feels this election starting to slip away.
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That's not to say that caused this. We don't know who who pulled the trigger. It's just there's been
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an atmosphere around this guy that has been dialed to an 11 for far too long. And many of us believed
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it was only a matter of time before someone acted on it. Stunning pictures here. This one is of President
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Trump on the ground, bloody with his hand nearby his face, trying to recover from what could have
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been an assassination. Your thoughts on what we're witnessing today? I want to weep for my country.
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It's just, it's horrible. It's, it's, there are no words for how terrible this is and how terrible,
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more terrible could have been. I mean, we were centimeter, how far away from President Trump's
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head being blown off at a rally on live television. And these are moments, Megan, the reason why,
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you know, assassinations fascinate people. One of the reasons history telescopes down to inches
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and seconds, right? If JFK's driver had sped up rather than slow down to see what was happening
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after the first one or two shots, JFK would have survived that assassination attempt. If the Archduke
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Ferdinand won, they threw a bomb at him, which didn't work. If he just said, we're not doing
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anything else. But he had kind of a Trump-like spirit. He's like, we're going through this
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whole ceremony in Sarajevo. I don't care. And when he was heading back, we actually went to
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the hospital to see the people hurt from the bomb. If the car had not turned, made a wrong turn down
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a narrow street that it couldn't get out of, that it happened to be that Gabriel Princip, one of the
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assassination team, was just standing there not knowing what to do, was standing right there at that
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moment. He would have lived, and all of history would have been different. That was the most
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consequential assassination in world history. But that moment of Trump pumping his fist shows
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what a sense of the moment, right? We get in fender benders where your head, you know,
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goes back a little bit and you're kind of shocked. You don't know what happened to you or, you know,
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it takes a little while to get your senses. To know that what that moment called for was strength
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and reassuring his supporters. When you're right, how does he know? The Secret Service thinks the
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threat's been neutralized. That's why they're picking him up. How does he know, right? He's just
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been inches from being killed. How does he know? That is an image that will live throughout American
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political history. Rich, I don't know about you, but I feel infuriated right now. I am angry
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over what has been done to this man. You and I sat together in 2015 and National Review said,
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not Trump, not this guy. Here we are all these years later. I see him so differently. Yes,
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he's got character flaws, of course. But this is the embodiment of strength in the face of an
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unbelievable onslaught, emotional, financial, when it comes to his freedom. And now his life,
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literally with a bullet, having shot him in the head, his fist is in the air and he's telling the
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crowd and all of us, fight, fight for your country, fight for what we're all in this for.
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Don't let them shoot you down. Don't let them shoot down your ideals. Don't let them
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ruin the country. I've never seen anything like this.
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Yeah. So high politics is about, you know, it's about policy and ideas, but a lot of it's about
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emotion. And this is a guy, you know, one reason we couldn't stop him when we tried in the primaries
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in 2016 is he understood a crowd. He understood the moment. He got feeling and could play off of it.
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And this is just the very pinnacle of this. That was just an epic reaction. And again,
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it will never be forgotten. And what you opened with on the rhetoric, who knows who the shooter
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was. But if you literally think he's Hitler, that's what they're telling us, right? The
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president of the United States incumbent is telling us that, and maybe in not so many words,
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what's the proper reaction? Just voting against him and hoping things turn out, right? If you take
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it seriously, I think we've learned a lot of Democrats actually don't take it seriously.
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But unfortunately, a lot of people do. If you take it seriously, what do you do? If it's existential
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for American democracy, for our system of government, our way of life, what do you do?
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Maybe you do whoever that apparent shooter on the rooftop, maybe you do what he did.
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There is video. I don't know if we have it or can show it of a shooter. Forgive me. We don't know
00:31:30.760
that this is the shooter of what appears to be a man lying on a rooftop nearby. And the reports online
00:31:36.220
are that that's the shooter and he's dead. He's motionless and he's lying down. We're going to I've
00:31:44.620
spoken with somebody who is at the rally and we're going to have him call in talking about the security,
00:31:49.700
but it was tight as it would be for any Secret Service event with the former president, never
00:31:54.860
mind the leading contender for the GOP nomination, which of course takes place next week as a formal
00:32:00.640
matter. And so this person, in order to have a gun, Rich, you know, anywhere near shooting range of
00:32:08.160
this president. Yeah, I mean, it does make you wonder how he did it, whether he had help, how on earth
00:32:14.980
anybody was within shooting range of the this man, Donald Trump from a rooftop. All of that is going
00:32:21.100
to be investigated. But you've got to say kudos to local law enforcement or the Secret Service,
00:32:27.600
whoever took this guy out because it all happened in seconds. Yeah. So the you know, all the professionals
00:32:34.060
say and it just seems as though just watching as an amateur, their reaction to this was pitch perfect.
00:32:38.860
I mean, they immediately go on Trump. They're protecting him with their bodies, which apparently
00:32:43.560
moving act, putting themselves on the line. But but there are going to be questions that, you know,
00:32:49.640
according to Twitter, who knows? Things are going to change. We're going to learn more. You know,
00:32:54.300
as as we speak, you know, just during during this segment, probably we're learning more.
00:32:58.500
But how is there are indications that people are pointing to this guy on the rooftop and he got
00:33:04.740
the shots off before the Secret Service got him. It was unavoidable. Who knows? But they're going to
00:33:10.520
be a lot of questions. So it looks like the reaction was a Secret Service success. But I think
00:33:14.820
there'd be questions about how this guy was able to get within range. And initially, it seemed like
00:33:19.220
there's some speculation. Maybe it's a BB because, you know, when you get shot in your ear,
00:33:23.800
you just it's not just a little blood. Right. It's a horrible event. And it seems as though no
00:33:29.460
one else was hurt. But now, of course, we got in the reports of other people in the crowd tragically
00:33:34.360
hurt. We've seen that video of the Trump supporter who is there and his emergency room doctor, I believe,
00:33:40.760
was trying to save someone with a grievous head wound and didn't. So this was a furious fascination
00:33:47.480
attempt. And if if anyone comes this close to being killed, that's under Secret Service
00:33:54.040
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President Joe Biden officially dropping out of the twenty twenty four race for the White House
00:35:39.780
this afternoon, ending his bid for reelection after a disastrous debate performance against
00:35:46.980
Donald Trump, one that revealed his infirmity. Yes, mental, also physical, something he, his team
00:35:55.940
and a compliant, dishonest media have been denying and telling us not to believe for years now.
00:36:05.260
OK, that's how we got to this point. He lied. So did his vice president. So did his staff
00:36:13.120
and a compliant, complicit lapdog media ran to help them in this cover up. Only when we saw it with our
00:36:22.440
own eyes. What a mess he was that night of the debate. Did their game plan fall apart and American
00:36:31.420
citizens from coast to coast said, I can't vote for that. That man can't be president.
00:36:37.820
Those of you who may have been focused on other things like the attempted assassination of our
00:36:44.880
former president, Donald Trump, may have memory hold a bit what happened during that debate about
00:36:51.880
a month ago. It was moments like these when President Biden could not follow his own train
00:36:58.860
of thought. The man remains the commander in chief right now. He's not stepping down as president.
00:37:03.980
He is infirm enough that he admits he can't do a second term, but he will hold on to the reins of
00:37:09.480
power for some half a year. Still moments like this one where he could not follow his own train
00:37:16.320
of thought that raised a five alarm fire for all normies coast to coast. All those things we need
00:37:23.520
to do, child care, elder care, making sure that we continue to strengthen our health care system,
00:37:29.180
making sure that we're able to make every single solitary person eligible for what I've been able
00:37:35.760
to do with the, uh, with the COVID, excuse me, with, um, dealing with everything we have to do with,
00:37:43.060
uh, look, if we finally beat Medicare. Thank you, President Biden. President Trump?
00:37:53.180
Well, he's right. He did. And then there was probably the most eye popping moments of the debate.
00:37:56.780
When President Biden turned a conversation about abortion into one about Lakin Riley,
00:38:04.000
a nursing student who was murdered down in Georgia, a debate about illegal immigration,
00:38:09.840
which has nothing to do whatsoever with abortion. I am a person that believes. And frankly,
00:38:17.880
I think it's important to believe in the exception. Some people, you have to follow your heart. Some
00:38:21.400
people don't believe in that, but I believe in the exceptions for rape incest and the life of the
00:38:27.620
mother. I think it's very important. Some people don't follow your heart, but you have to get elected
00:38:32.340
also. And because that has to do with other things. It's been a terrible thing, what you've done. The idea
00:38:38.100
that states are able to do this is a little like saying, we're going to turn civil rights back to the
00:38:42.500
states. Let each state have a different role. Look, there's so many young women who have been,
00:38:46.880
including a young woman who just was murdered. And he went to the funeral. And the idea that
00:38:53.680
she was murdered by an immigrant coming in, they talk about that. But here's the deal. There's a lot
00:39:00.860
of young women who are being raped by their in-laws, by their spouses, brothers and sisters. It's just
00:39:09.920
ridiculous. What a nightmare just seeing it again. It was alarming. It was repeated. You can remember
00:39:22.020
the moment in which he incredibly claimed that zero U.S. service members died during his administration.
00:39:28.980
Well, Terry, you know, when he was president, they were still killing people in Afghanistan.
00:39:34.020
He didn't do anything about that. When he was president, we still found ourselves in a position where
00:39:38.240
you had a notion that we were this safe country. The truth is, I'm the only president this century
00:39:45.880
that doesn't have any, this decade, that doesn't have any troops dying anywhere in the world like
00:39:52.260
he did. I was getting out of Afghanistan, but we're getting out with dignity, with strength,
00:39:57.420
with power. He got out. It was the most embarrassing day in the history of our country's life.
00:40:03.120
It was a debacle. And not as the left would put it thereafter, because he wasn't able to make his
00:40:12.480
great points against Donald Trump. Because what we saw was that our sitting president and commander
00:40:17.380
in chief, the man with the nuclear football, is non-compass mentis. He should be 25th Amendmented
00:40:23.000
right out of office, but they wouldn't go that far. They understood what that would mean.
00:40:27.460
And probably we're calculating that it would also mean the immediate elevation of Kamala Harris to
00:40:32.680
the presidency, which was not popular amongst Democrats because they don't much like her.
00:40:38.240
It's not just Republicans. After that debate that night, I came on this show in a special live
00:40:43.800
broadcast and told you point blank, his race for the White House, whether he knew it or not was over.
00:40:49.520
In my view, it is over for Joe Biden. His presidential campaign came to an end tonight,
00:40:57.560
whether he knows it or not. There will be meetings tonight, first thing tomorrow, amidst Democratic Party
00:41:05.360
leaders about how to get him off the ticket, how to change in somebody else. There have to be.
00:41:14.040
Already we're seeing some reaction come in from top Democrats who rarely criticize the president.
00:41:20.240
Suggesting he needs to have a serious look at this performance tonight and assess for himself
00:41:24.560
whether he can go forward. That number will mount. There will be more and more. It was an unmitigated
00:41:31.580
disaster. And indeed, here we are about a month later, and he's done exactly that. Withdrawn,
00:41:41.720
not from the presidency, but from his candidacy for a second term. Joining me now, Mark Halperin,
00:41:46.540
founder of the Wide World of News Substack, longtime political journalist and the man who's been
00:41:51.900
breaking a lot of this about President Biden's plans this weekend to step down with considerable
00:41:59.000
pushback and mocking even from the White House spokespeople saying he was dead wrong. And yet,
00:42:04.980
Mark, what you reported late last week would happen today, Sunday, is almost exactly what happened,
00:42:12.100
with the exception of, I don't know, he did endorse Kamala in his letter saying he's stepping down,
00:42:19.820
I think, not in the letter, but in a tweet that followed it up. And so it seems like he's getting
00:42:24.960
behind Kamala, though. Are we sure? Well, I think that his, I'm pretty sure his intention was not to
00:42:33.280
endorse her. And some people close to her didn't want an endorsement. They want to separate themselves
00:42:37.140
from the Biden-Harris agenda. They don't want to be seen as a tool of kind of being established.
00:42:40.980
Wait, stand by, Mark. Hold it. Stand by. Stand by. Because you're really echoing. Is he echoing
00:42:44.120
just for me? Is he echoing in the broadcast, you guys? It's just for me. All right. So keep going,
00:42:49.540
Mark. Never mind. It's just me. I can deal with it. I just don't want my audience to have to.
00:42:52.180
Okay. Sure. So I believe what happened was after I reported he wasn't going to endorse that he was
00:42:57.720
besieged with calls. And his team was besieged with calls with folks to say, if you get out,
00:43:02.380
you must endorse your vice president. You've said she's the most qualified
00:43:05.040
person to be the president. You have to endorse her. So I think I was right at the time what his
00:43:10.640
intentions were, but it changed because of the pressure that he got in the interim. A lot's
00:43:16.840
happened behind the scenes since my initial reporting. But the basic thrust of it is, I think
00:43:23.220
this will be a, what I call a contested convention that's not contested. I've talked to people close to
00:43:28.700
all the other people who are named as potential candidates. And I don't at this point foresee anyone
00:43:33.500
challenging her. Although again, the desire in her camp is to make the seem as open a process as
00:43:39.380
possible. The delegates will be the one who pick and they're Biden Harris delegates. They're aligned
00:43:43.740
with her personally and ideologically. So I suspect even if town, she'll be the nominee. And I don't
00:43:48.920
right now see any major challenge to her. How did this come about? Because for weeks now,
00:43:54.980
all we've heard from the white house is he's not going anywhere. Only if God almighty comes down and
00:43:59.840
tells him to drop out. Will he go? He, he teetered a little bit on it this past week saying, well,
00:44:04.660
if there were, if there were a medical condition and then there was the announcement of COVID,
00:44:08.660
but what, what did it, Mark? Well, I'm still reporting that out. I think the money was a big
00:44:14.460
issue. I think Nancy Pelosi made it clear there'd be no money for this campaign and you can't run a
00:44:20.140
presidential campaign with no money. You can run with less than the other side, but not with no money.
00:44:24.260
That was part of it. And part of it was the data. Although his campaign liked to downplay
00:44:28.360
how badly his position had deteriorated. It had deteriorated in their own polling quite a bit,
00:44:33.980
I'm told. And then the Democrats, he was going to potentially drag down an electoral college wipe
00:44:39.120
out. And remember, it's important to remember, Megan, as I know, you know, before the debate,
00:44:44.200
he had one path to 270 electoral votes. It was exactly 270. And it involved, no margin of error,
00:44:50.040
winning Minnesota, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Nebraska's Omaha congressional
00:44:55.020
district. And no one's ever won the white house with one path, the 270. So he had a weak, weak
00:45:00.800
position, which deteriorated dramatically. And the Democrats who, who were telling him to get out
00:45:06.460
were looking at an electoral college landslide and with implications for down ballot. Everyone can talk
00:45:13.420
at length about the risks of this change, about the electoral, um, uh, questions about Kamala Harris,
00:45:19.400
but the alternative was doom. They'll take chaos and risk over doom.
00:45:25.840
You tweeted out earlier today, uh, as follows, as he was digging in his heels publicly. If an angry
00:45:33.080
and defiant Joe Biden tries to hold on by running out the clock, Speaker Pelosi will have to raise the
00:45:37.720
pain quotient to unimaginable levels. Veteran Pelosi watchers believe that is what she will do
00:45:43.840
starting as early as today. What was behind that? Well, I don't know exactly what happened. I'm,
00:45:51.120
I hope to be able to report it out and see exactly what was communicated. But as we saw on Friday,
00:45:56.980
there were many more Democrats who came out, but still a tiny percentage of Democrats who thought Joe
00:46:02.580
Biden should step aside had publicly said that. And you started to see, for instance, in the op-ed
00:46:08.520
piece in the Boston Globe by Congressman Malkin, who's very close to Joe Biden talking about the
00:46:13.440
loss of mental acuity. You started to see what I think would have been a campaign to turn up the
00:46:17.900
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00:46:27.460
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Well, I watched it. Did you watch it? I'm disgusted. I'm disgusted. I'm ashamed of those moderators
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at ABC News. They did exactly what their bosses wanted them to do. The person who runs ABC News
00:48:49.080
is a close personal friend of Kamala Harris that is responsible for Kamala Harris and her husband
00:48:57.100
meeting. And they did Dana Walden's bidding tonight. It was three against one on that debate stage this
00:49:06.140
evening. Hi, everyone. I'm Megan Kelly. A special program tonight for you reacting to the debate.
00:49:10.240
It was three against one. It's very easy to look like you know what you're doing when both moderators
00:49:17.780
are entirely on your side. Trump did the best he could under the circumstances, but it really was
00:49:24.800
like three fighters in the ring pummeling one opponent. And Trump tried to take them all on.
00:49:31.260
He did fine. He did as best as he could. He was thrown a few times to the point where he was
00:49:37.900
unnecessarily defensive and he was getting angry. And so was I. Were you? This was a mistake
00:49:47.920
to trust ABC News with this debate. The Republicans must learn from this mistake. The same way the
00:49:56.320
Democrats never, never, never agree to do anything with moderators they don't entirely trust. This
00:50:05.580
should be the last time the Republicans ever do this. Because those two moderators tried to sink
00:50:14.360
Donald Trump tonight. The numerous fact checks on what he said and none on what she said. None.
00:50:26.280
I don't remember a single fact check of anything she said. And she lied repeatedly. She just got away
00:50:35.720
with it. In the moderator's eyes, that was Donald Trump's job to fact check her. That's correct.
00:50:42.140
Except you didn't employ that same tactic when it came to Trump. And you accused him of lying even
00:50:49.000
when it was your opinion that he lied. When Trump tried to say that his comment that he lost 2020 by
00:50:57.000
a whisker was him being sarcastic. David Muir actually injected saying, I didn't hear sarcasm.
00:51:04.860
Who gives a shit what you heard? Who died and left you political analyst in chief? You're supposed to
00:51:12.040
be the objective news anchor of world news tonight. That's a comment you make to your significant other,
00:51:20.500
David. Not on the debates. It didn't sound like that to me. Shut up. That is inappropriate. It's not
00:51:28.220
for you to make that call. Leave it up to Kamala Harris. Leave it up to people like me who will play
00:51:34.440
the soundbite and let the audience decide. But you were at a line and they did it to him over and over
00:51:40.760
and over again. And the worst, the worst piece of all of this is the obvious tactic by ABC News,
00:51:48.080
which was as follows. Mr. Trump, you said something incredibly controversial and terrible.
00:51:53.860
Let me remind you of what it was. Do you have any regrets or thoughts on how terrible you were?
00:51:59.700
Trump answers. Vice President Harris, how bad is Trump? And then she'd answer. It happened over and
00:52:07.000
over again. That was the format. Mr. Trump, you're a piece of shit. Kamala Harris, isn't he a shit?
00:52:14.580
Thank you. It was incredible. And then anything Trump said, fact check, fact check, fact check.
00:52:21.960
And their fact checks were full of shit. I'm swearing even more than normal right now because
00:52:27.880
I'm mad. I'm angry. I'm angry at them, at ABC, at my industry that I want nothing to do with. And I
00:52:36.020
I've never been happier to be outside and be able to say how I truly feel. And yes,
00:52:40.600
even with some colorful words, because that's what the situation calls for. They're trying to steal
00:52:46.240
this election. They're openly working to sink him.
00:52:53.940
I don't I think it was so bad. Their bias against him and toward her that it's going to backfire. I
00:53:01.640
actually think the American public is going to see through this and there's probably going to be some
00:53:06.820
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I've never seen anything like it, Rich. I've never seen anything quite so biased at the presidential
00:54:18.740
debate level. Well, it continues the theme of this race, right? They've been completely in the tank for
00:54:23.480
Kamala Harris and the moderators on the debate stage were completely in the tank for Kamala Harris.
00:54:29.420
And you just, you knew where the night was going when we got the first fact check when Trump was
00:54:32.920
talking about abortion and was talking about, he misspoke in this instance. He got it right
00:54:36.660
later when he said the West Virginia governor, the former, he meant the former Virginia governor
00:54:40.800
had talked about abortions after birth, right? And he didn't say in any state has abortions after
00:54:48.280
birth. He just said the governor had said this, which is a correct statement. And then he's fact
00:54:52.300
checked by saying, oh, Mr. Trump, there's, there's no state in America that has abortion after nine
00:54:56.880
months. Actually, there are a few instances in Minnesota. He was correct about that as well.
00:54:59.940
But this is the point, the fact check was incorrect, right? And this is why debate
00:55:04.760
moderators shouldn't fact check. You know, the CNN moderators did not fact check because what you
00:55:09.820
think the fact is in that moment may be subjective, you may be wrong, and you're tilting the playing
00:55:15.100
field. And certainly to fact check one candidate and never fact check the other, she did the
00:55:20.760
Charlottesville lie, that both sides are fine. People lie, no fact check. She did the bloodbath lie.
00:55:26.860
He clearly didn't mean that, you know, that the country is going to be, they're going to be a
00:55:30.880
rise in the street if he's not elected. It was an economic statement, no fact check. So the
00:55:35.340
moderators were disgraced. It's one of the reasons Trump seemed on defensive a lot of the night.
00:55:41.160
One was he took a lot of bait from, from Kamala Harris. They didn't need to. The other was the,
00:55:47.680
Agree. He took bait. He shouldn't have taken. He was defending himself on the pandemic.
00:55:51.160
He, he was on his heels instead of going on offense and pivoting off of the bad point for him
00:55:56.380
onto something that was more offensive. That was a tactical error by him. But I do want to just spend
00:56:00.360
a minute on this fact check you just mentioned. Here it is. Here's the moment we're referring to
00:56:04.880
where Lindsay Davis, helpfully fact check Trump on this abortion claim.
00:56:10.740
They have abortion in the ninth month. They even have, and you can look at the governor of West
00:56:16.020
Virginia, the previous governor of West Virginia, not the current governor is doing an excellent job,
00:56:21.060
but the governor before he said, the baby will be born and we will decide what to do with the baby.
00:56:26.980
In other words, we'll execute the baby. There is no state in this country where it is legal to kill
00:56:31.520
a baby after it's born. Okay. That's not true. And maybe she can use the word kill. It's,
00:56:38.900
it's not like somebody's sticking a knife in the dead baby in the, in the alive baby as it's dying,
00:56:44.400
Emily. But you and I both know that in places like Minnesota and elsewhere, if you are trying
00:56:50.920
to abort a baby in the ninth month or otherwise, and it's born instead of dying in the mother's womb,
00:56:58.000
they will let that baby sit on the table and die. And Trump's claim though, Rich is right. He said at
00:57:05.480
first West Virginia, later he corrected himself to Virginia. Their former governor, Ralph Northam
00:57:09.740
said this on camera, admitted to this. Here is the soundbite.
00:57:15.380
Boy, if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen. The infant would be
00:57:21.640
delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if, if that's what
00:57:27.820
the mother and the family desired. And then a discussion would ensue between the physicians
00:57:33.200
and the mother. So I'll give you one other Roger Severino. He's with the heritage foundation
00:57:38.480
tweeting out the following Harris. And as it turns out, Lindsay Davis is dead wrong. Some babies do
00:57:46.240
survive abortions and can be saved, but are denied life-saving treatment, including under Tim
00:57:50.800
Wallace's watch. Harris even voted against the born alive abortion survivors protection act to defend
00:57:59.400
that would have defended the lives of these babies, their right to live once born. Unconscionable.
00:58:07.940
Trump didn't say any of that. Okay. He tried, but the nerve of this moderator to inject herself
00:58:14.860
into it without any of this. That's for you, Emily.
00:58:18.740
Here's what I find especially infuriating about that. She chose, she editorialized with all the
00:58:28.260
sanctimony in the world, uh, to say that word, to focus in on that word, quote, execute. I don't know
00:58:34.580
if she knows any of the context that you just provided, which is all completely accurate and
00:58:40.020
known to people who follow the news closely, uh, unless you're in a total bubble and aren't doing
00:58:45.280
your job, which is obviously the case here, but she chose to editorialize and say, it's not true.
00:58:50.240
You can't execute. You can't kill babies. I mean, actually it depends on whether or not you
00:58:55.640
consider having a baby who could be cared for born alive and then left without care. If you,
00:59:02.020
if you don't consider that an execution, okay, but she is injecting here to quibble editorially
00:59:08.260
and she doesn't have a leg to stand on, on this particular issue. There are obvious moments where
00:59:15.100
Kamala Harris could have been fact-checked just as any candidate could. I don't object to them
00:59:20.360
fact-checking Donald Trump. I object to them fact-checking as Rich said, period. Um, you know,
00:59:25.860
we didn't, after that CNN debate about Biden, talk about the moderators for a lot of reasons,
00:59:29.960
namely because of Biden, but we also really saw them sink into the background of that debate.
00:59:34.980
It was the opposite in this case. They were constantly injecting themselves constant fact
00:59:38.580
checks. Didn't get a fact check on IVF project 2025, as Abigail Schreier pointed out, nothing on
00:59:44.700
Charlottesville. Even when Snopes had fact-checked what Joe Biden was saying about Charlottesville,
00:59:49.720
that Kamala Harris repeated, nothing on abortion, nothing on that bloodbath comment. They just let
00:59:54.340
it all go and just went straight for Trump. It was all him, none, nothing, not, not one fact-check
01:00:00.540
on Kamala Harris. But Emily, what you point out gets to the insanity of it. If she was going to be
01:00:04.740
strictly accurate in her fact-check, she would have said, well, it's not technically an execution
01:00:09.120
because you're not affirmatively killing the child. Instead, after the child's born, you're just
01:00:13.600
giving the child comfort care and not the medical care that might be necessary to save him or her.
01:00:18.020
That's an opinion, right? That's a debate answer. But instead, they do it under the guise of a fact
01:00:24.220
check, which gives it this authority it doesn't deserve that they're using by the grace of them
01:00:31.020
sitting there as moderators. It's a total abuse of their role.
01:00:36.280
Yeah. And the same thing on Trump's attempt to claim that when he said on a podcast that he lost
01:00:44.140
the 2020 election by a whisker, he, I said this on my show today, you guys, I said,
01:00:50.240
if I were asking the questions tonight, I would ask him about that. And about the fact that he sat
01:00:56.280
on a podcast last week, he lost by a whisk by a whisker. And you should bring that up. And that's
01:01:01.200
fine to bring that up, which they did. And I was actually surprised by Trump's answer. I was being
01:01:05.700
sarcastic. And I'm going to be honest. I don't know that he was being sarcastic in that answer
01:01:10.340
either. I didn't detect the sarcasm myself. That's not appropriate as a fact check, David Muir.
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The moderators were not much better. They were a little better than ABC News. But
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J.D. Vance put on a masterclass in how to handle biased moderators and a lying opponent. And it was
01:02:08.520
a thing of beauty. It was beautiful. It was like every Republican or Republican voter or person who in
01:02:19.800
this case is rooting for Trump knows exactly what I am feeling right now, which is just thank God
01:02:26.200
it. It is listening to a guy go out there and know how to raise the right points in response to the
01:02:33.280
right questions to not take the moderators bullshit. It was really cleansing. It was just you never see
01:02:43.500
it. It's just so great to see. The moderators are gross. Margaret Brennan, not only do you desperately
01:02:52.780
need some bronzer, you need to understand how to moderate a fair debate when you have half the
01:03:00.100
country who's rooting for the other guy. She didn't even attempt to be fair. I mean, I'm going to utter
01:03:07.600
words I never thought I would utter. I preferred Nora O'Donnell. Oh, my God. This Margaret Brennan,
01:03:15.240
she used to have a reputation as being kind of like reasonable. Like she flirted with the Catholic
01:03:19.880
right, the Christian right. And she when you get on issues of faith, she could be kind of like normal.
01:03:25.200
No, no. She's been in the soup too long. She's gone totally native over there at CBS News. You are
01:03:32.300
terrible, madam. Terrible. The moderators were disgusting, but J.D. Vance was a vision. And Tim
01:03:40.340
Walls really did indeed look like the bumbling knucklehead he said he was. There's so much to go
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Rich, do you feel me? Are you feeling you picking up what I'm putting down?
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Totally. I don't know how he possibly could have improved on that performance. Substantively,
01:05:32.620
tonally, just everything. In terms of the message he was driving home, he brought it back to the
01:05:38.660
economy and the American dream and how we need to revive it. He constantly made the point that
01:05:43.280
Kamala Harris is in power now. And why hasn't she done all these wonderful things that she's
01:05:48.600
promising? The only thing that was difficult for him, I think, was the January 6th thing right at the
01:05:52.820
end. That's not his fault. Donald Trump has created that vulnerability. But he deflected really
01:05:57.200
deftly there as well by getting it onto the censorship. So I'm not sure when I've seen a
01:06:02.440
better debate. Maybe, I don't know, I have no use for him, obviously, because my politics are
01:06:06.200
opposite. But maybe Barack Obama at his height in 2008. But this was just an extraordinary performance,
01:06:11.320
a stellar performance. I'm not surprised that he was great because we've kind of seen it out on the
01:06:14.800
campaign trail and in various interviews with hostile interviewers. But I was a little surprised at how
01:06:19.680
pathetic Tim Waltz was. Came out of the gate, nervous, you know, hemming and hawing. And then
01:06:27.040
just the way he looked when he wasn't speaking on camera, he looked nervous. He looked sad. He
01:06:33.220
looked befuddled. He kind of looked like the kid in the back of the classroom that can't keep up with
01:06:37.840
the lecture and is desperately trying to take notes. It was just a terrible, terrible look.
01:06:42.900
Sure. Eliana cannot relate to that kid. She was the front kid in the front of the class
01:06:50.760
every time. This is the classic. This J.D. Vance look will go down. This will be on people's
01:06:56.820
Christmas stockings. Here's one thing I wanted to add. You know what was so masterful about what
01:07:03.640
J.D. did tonight. He's been demonized by this press since he was named as the running mate.
01:07:11.020
And he completely shattered that tonight. He was kind. He was likable. He complimented his
01:07:18.580
beautiful wife. He brought up his kids. He kept giving Tim Walz points like, you know,
01:07:24.260
I kind of agree with that. He said the thing about how if I don't win and he becomes the vice president,
01:07:29.300
I will help him. He did such an effective job throughout the whole 90 minutes of showing
01:07:37.480
America. I'm actually a nice guy. And those women, those female Republican voters who left the party
01:07:44.440
who are now going to vote for Kamala Harris. Well, if he was the problem, you know, the child is cat
01:07:49.720
ladies, which did not come up. I have to imagine they're looking at him just a little softer
01:07:55.280
tonight, Eliana, but your thoughts on what we saw tonight. I thought it was an extremely impressive
01:08:00.500
performance on Vance's part. And I have to imagine that, uh, rich and many other conservatives,
01:08:07.820
uh, like, like me were thinking the same thing, which is watching J.D. Vance. It was clear that he
01:08:15.280
prepared a lot, not only in terms of the substance of his responses, but also in terms of the style.
01:08:22.240
Um, he knows how to be combative, but he wasn't that combative tonight. Uh, he came across as very,
01:08:29.440
very likable. Um, and I kept thinking, this is the job everybody wishes Trump had done because in
01:08:36.000
terms of the discipline of his responses, he brought every response back to, well, you know,
01:08:41.920
who's been in office for the past three and a half years, Kamala Harris. It started with the first
01:08:46.920
response to the question that was on Israel and Iran and talking about, um, a world in flames and
01:08:55.440
the chaos that has engulfed the world over the past three years. And he brought that back to
01:09:00.860
the doorstep of Kamala Harris. Um, but for as good as Vance was, walls was extremely weak and people were
01:09:09.940
talking about, you know, the, the, the Harris campaign was deliberately lowering the bar for
01:09:14.680
walls. CNN ran a story saying Tim walls is really, really nervous. And there were questions about
01:09:20.900
whether this is a strategy so that he can go out there and overperform. Uh, well, they didn't actually
01:09:26.540
lower the bar enough. Um, cause he was extremely bad and you know, um, Vance, uh, people are commenting
01:09:36.420
on Twitter that he's really benefited from doing so many media interviews and from having so many
01:09:42.380
combative exchanges with the press. Well, he was better than all of the, than any interview he's
01:09:47.500
done since walking on that stage in Milwaukee. And for walls, um, there are a lot of people out there
01:09:53.920
saying he should have done more interviews maybe, but on the other hand, watching him tonight, you start
01:10:00.080
to think, you start to understand why the campaign doesn't actually want him out there.
01:10:04.640
Yeah, that's right. When, when he's, when he's in front of a friendly interviewer, like, uh, when
01:10:09.560
he used to go on MSNBC before he got chosen, sure, that could be a friendly fun exchange in which you
01:10:14.740
do well. This is a totally different ball game. And it is interesting now that that CNN article
01:10:19.780
yesterday setting the expectations low now seems like a clarion call, like how, how it's not going
01:10:26.680
to go well. The truth about the whole campaign. Oh, also, um, walls, walls, his biggest lie the whole
01:10:32.240
night came at the end when he said, I really enjoyed this debate. Okay. So I think all three
01:10:38.800
of us felt, I'm guessing that, that the one moment where he went after the moderator for his
01:10:45.920
time, he, he was fact-checked by the non-fact-checkers who were fact-checkers, but only again
01:10:52.320
of JD Vance, they let Tim walls, get away with lie after lie. And like Jesus came down and told
01:11:01.220
him, this is what Republican voters want to see. He wasn't having it. He insisted on having his time.
01:11:08.560
I'm forgive me, but those bitches tried to cut his mic. It was just, it was unbelievable. Here's
01:11:15.500
the exchange in SOT1. Now, governor Waltz broke, brought up the community of Springfield and he's
01:11:21.660
very worried about the things that I've said in Springfield. Look in Springfield, Ohio and in
01:11:27.560
communities all across this country, you've got schools that are overwhelmed. You've got hospitals
01:11:32.600
that are overwhelmed. You have got housing that is totally unaffordable because we brought in millions
01:11:37.820
of illegal immigrants to compete with Americans for scarce homes. And just to clarify for our viewers,
01:11:43.560
Springfield, Ohio does have a large number of Haitian migrants who have legal status,
01:11:49.680
temporary protected status. Well, Margaret, but thank you. Senator, we have so much to get to.
01:11:54.780
Margaret, I think it's important because the rules were that you guys are going to fact-check. And
01:12:00.740
since you're fact-checking me, I think it's important to say what's actually going on. So there's an
01:12:05.340
application called the CBP One App, where you can go on as an illegal migrant, apply for asylum or apply
01:12:11.700
for parole and be granted legal status at the wave of a Kamala Harris open border wand. That is not a
01:12:20.020
person coming in, applying for a green card and waiting for 10 years. That is the facilitation of
01:12:24.840
a legal immigration, Margaret, by our own leadership. Thank you, Senator, for describing the legal process.
01:12:29.760
We have so much to get to, Senator. Those laws have been on the books since 1990.
01:12:34.700
Thank you, gentlemen. The CBP One App has not been on the books since 1990.
01:12:40.020
It's something that Congress has created for. Gentlemen, the audience can't hear you because
01:12:44.980
your mics are cut. We have so much we want to get to. Thank you for explaining the legal process.
01:12:52.700
I am dripping contempt, dripping contempt out of my pores for CBS News in that month.
01:13:00.180
That was such a dereliction on so many levels. Hello, you morons. A debate is unfolding. Alert
01:13:08.760
note to anchor and CBS producers. The debate is happening right here. You let it fire up. Let
01:13:16.760
them go. Eliana, we talked about this a million times before we prepared for our debate back in
01:13:21.140
December. When you have fire on the stage, let it play out. This is a real issue. This is a huge issue.
01:13:27.420
And it's voters number one or number two issue in virtually every poll. You didn't have a lot more
01:13:32.820
to get to. There was a lot of inanity in that debate, including your next question, which was
01:13:36.640
about climate change. And good for J.D. Vance for fighting on it. When Trump was fact-checked
01:13:44.100
multiple times and Harris was not fact-checked at all, I think it was on your show, Megan, when I said
01:13:49.520
he should have been prepared to be unjustly fact-checked. And that's exactly what J.D. was prepared for
01:13:56.980
tonight. And he did a wonderful job with that. I think any Republican candidate should be prepared
01:14:03.680
when they walk on a stage on a mainstream media network to be treated unfairly and to hit pack
01:14:09.540
exactly as Vance did because viewers like it. And I think both independent and persuadable voters
01:14:17.300
like to see it as well as the base. And Rich, for Tim Walsh to try to say that the CB1 app has been in
01:14:28.160
place since 1990, you know, this is nothing new that Kamala Harris and Joe Biden did, is such a lie.
01:14:33.680
That's what Vance was about to say. Like, this has been one of the most controversial things you've done
01:14:39.260
while in office. She's done while in office. And they cut his mic and moved on to climate change.
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All right, Henry. So it's been about two hours since we last spoke. What is jumping out at you as the most
01:16:32.860
The likely but not yet callable victory of Donald John Trump for the presidency of the United States.
01:16:40.120
Why? It's because as all of these places come in, what we see is stronger than expected. Trump showing
01:16:50.200
the supposed election day swift movement towards Conal Harris is not materializing. One of the
01:16:59.980
patterns of the night, if you follow the New York Times needle, is that the more votes that come in,
01:17:06.020
the more they move their estimate towards Trump, which means that they keep showing stronger and stronger
01:17:11.360
returns than they had expected. You take a look, every exit poll, I do the math, the ones that have
01:17:19.120
them within tenths of a point, the only one she's ahead in is Michigan. But you take a look, like right now,
01:17:26.860
Donald Trump is ahead in Wisconsin by three tenths of a point. Seventy-something percent of the vote in
01:17:33.740
Madison County is in. There are counties that are going to vote for Donald Trump that haven't
01:17:38.400
reported a single vote. He's not losing votes in the suburbs of Milwaukee. He's picking up votes in
01:17:45.420
the suburbs of Milwaukee. The two swing counties in the state, Sauk and Doer, are voting for him.
01:17:53.020
You don't call an election like this. It's way too many votes. But the things that we were told in the
01:17:58.940
media today that were happening are not actually showing up in results. And that's happening in
01:18:07.100
virtually every state I look at. And it's carrying through to the Senate that they have not called
01:18:14.080
the race for Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz is going to be the next senator. He's ahead by eight points or so.
01:18:20.420
Fox called it for him. Okay. Sorry. Has Fox called Bernie Marino? No. None of the other big Senate
01:18:30.360
races has been called. Yeah. Okay. You know, there's still votes out. Bernie Marino is ahead
01:18:36.540
by five points. Some Democratic areas are out. But, you know, you're just looking at this. And
01:18:43.580
the Democratic senators are not running very far ahead. As the votes come in, Donald Trump is doing
01:18:51.180
much better. You know, not much better like five points, but a point or two better when the exit
01:18:56.120
polls say you're within tenths of a point. And all the data suggests that it can be more like one or
01:19:00.640
one and a half. All of the data point in the same direction. This race should not be called. But the odds
01:19:06.120
of Donald Trump winning, you know, 79% on the needle strikes me as about right, that it would take a
01:19:12.120
massive miracle in Election Day voting across the blue wall to save Kamala Harris right now.
01:19:19.380
Wow. Wow. Gosh, Henry, you know how to really get our attention with your projections.
01:19:30.420
I'm just saying I'm not calling it. When I call a race, it means, you know, I'm point. Let's put it
01:19:36.620
this way. A certain a certain type of opera singer with a with Viking horns is warming up time to get
01:19:43.960
ready to say she had a little too much for dinner. This gal. Do you think these margins or sign
01:19:50.920
these margins are going to hold that? I just went through of 20 percent with black men and 54 percent
01:20:01.280
with Latinos? Latino men. You know, do I think they're going to hold? Yeah. Exit polls are always
01:20:09.600
difficult to critique until you have all of the data that are in. But, you know, like what I can
01:20:15.100
point to is let's take a look at Florida. Osceola County, the most Puerto Rican county in the country.
01:20:20.160
Donald Trump carried it. Miami-Dade County, massive swing to him in 2020. He still lost it by three points.
01:20:27.560
He carried it by 11 points. These are Hispanic places. Wow. So what what what do you think will
01:20:34.780
happen now? If you're seeing what you're seeing, you've explained it, and it's 10, 20 p.m. Eastern.
01:20:39.660
What do you think is going to happen over the next two, three hours?
01:20:45.100
Well, a couple of things. First of all, Arizona.
01:20:50.080
Is is looking increasingly Republican as the early vote drops, the seltzer poll is clearly not correct
01:20:56.260
in Iowa. What I think is going to happen is the Election Day vote is going to slowly,
01:21:02.360
slowly move up for Donald Trump. You take a look, half of the expected vote in pencil in Philadelphia
01:21:09.140
is already in. The Democrats said she needed to get like four hundred and seventy thousand vote margin
01:21:15.560
out of it. If you double her margin right now, she won't even be at four hundred thousand.
01:21:20.060
Um, I'm not saying it's over by any stretch of the imagination, but just the data all suggests that
01:21:28.620
things are looking very good for Trump for at least one of the paths that he has. If he holds I've I
01:21:35.880
called it for Georgia a while ago. Um, I think North Carolina is almost certainly Republican. He holds
01:21:42.900
those two states. He only needs one of the three Midwestern states. He only needs one.
01:21:51.220
Um, and which one do you think is looking the most likely likely that Wisconsin, Wisconsin,
01:21:57.680
by the way, to your point, uh, you know, uh, NBC news projecting Donald Trump wins Iowa. So you are
01:22:04.980
absolutely right about the seltzer poll, not holding up. She had Kamala Harris winning Iowa by three points,
01:22:11.080
Henry. Yeah. Well, look, like I said, when we talked this morning and I, people have been asking
01:22:16.860
me about the seltzer poll for the last 48 hours, every great pollster has a stinker. No one denies
01:22:23.820
that Ann Seltzer is the best pollster in Iowa. Um, but every great pollster has a stinker. She threw
01:22:30.220
one up and it's not her fault. It's the sample. Uh, but, uh, you just have to not just go with the
01:22:37.080
polls. You have to understand what politics is about and voting patterns and so forth.
01:22:41.080
Uh, uh, and that's why I said to you and said to everybody, it is one of those one out of 20
01:22:46.620
polls that is just wrong and it's wrong. And I was going to go, uh, for, uh, for Donald Trump
01:22:52.760
pretty, pretty strongly. One of the problems with the blue wall states is they apparently
01:22:57.640
take a very long time to count. Now I've heard, uh, the Michigan secretary of state say, Oh,
01:23:02.280
we, we sped it up. We're going to do better this time than we did last time, given the amount
01:23:07.100
of mailing vote that we had the last time when we've shorn up our, our positions on how to do
01:23:10.980
it. But is there any chance it's going to be too slow in Wisconsin, in Michigan, in Pennsylvania
01:23:17.280
to have a call in the next five hours? Uh, let's see. So it's 10 22 Eastern time. I'd say six.
01:23:28.380
Okay. Six, six hours because, uh, you know, look, we're talking about half the votes are in, in
01:23:33.280
Milwaukee. Um, and those are almost certainly not election day votes cause they all got dropped
01:23:39.320
very early. Uh, we're talking about two thirds of the, or three quarters of the vote in, in
01:23:44.220
Dane County. Um, it's just the, the rural areas that haven't reported yet all of their votes
01:23:52.180
count more quickly cause it's election day votes. That's precinct votes. Um, I think Wisconsin
01:23:57.240
will have the bulk of its votes in, in four to five hours and we'll be able to call the state
01:24:02.440
unless something that I don't expect happens, which is that the last quarter of the vote in
01:24:09.440
Dane and the last 30% of the vote in Milwaukee are significantly more Democrat than what we've
01:24:14.880
seen so far. If the current trends play out, Donald Trump will win Wisconsin, not a call,
01:24:19.740
just a direction. Henry, we're coming back to you. Please raise your hand as you get more data and have
01:24:26.500
some more thoughts on it. So helpful. Thank you. Stand by joining me now, Victor Davis Hanson,
01:24:31.340
senior fellow at the Hoover Institution. He's also the author of the end of everything.
01:24:36.940
Victor, great to see you. Wow. What a night. We're trying not to get ahead of our skis,
01:24:41.040
but you heard Henry very bullish, very sober, serious pollster respected and has a great record
01:24:46.720
saying he believes this race is Donald Trump's. Yeah, I can see why he says that. I mean,
01:24:53.780
if you take a state like Pennsylvania, we've been hearing Megan, you and I have talked about it,
01:24:58.200
that the Jewish vote was going to be problematic, that black males were going to be problematic,
01:25:04.020
getting the percentages they needed in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. We were told that there was 600,000
01:25:12.540
more Republican voters. We were told the Amish were going to come out. They were all not in themselves
01:25:18.860
important, but in aggregate, they were almost a perfect storm. So when we started seeing these polls,
01:25:24.660
especially the last three weeks, three days that everything had tightened up and she had the
01:25:30.040
momentum, a lot of us thought that that was sort of a false effort to increase exposure for
01:25:38.400
fundraising, get people out to vote, but it didn't reflect what had been going on for a long time.
01:25:44.020
But everybody, I think, especially the last 48 hours on the Trump side was kind of shell-shocked.
01:25:49.940
I thought, oh my God, it's going to happen again. I'm going to go to bed at 10. He's going to be
01:25:54.100
ahead. I'm going to wake up. It's over with. They've got the Cheney story. They've got the fake
01:25:59.000
news shooting story. And that was all ginned up, I think. I don't think there was any support for it.
01:26:05.980
And, you know, you and I have talked, I live in this community that's 95% Hispanic. I have not met a
01:26:12.960
Mexican-American male over the age of 40 who was not going to vote for Donald Trump. I've never seen
01:26:19.040
anything like it. It didn't happen in 2016. It didn't happen in 2020. It didn't happen in 2022.
01:26:26.260
And it's mostly driven by the border and inflation. And the other thing I'd say, Megan,
01:26:31.820
very quickly is I, you know, I work on the Stanford campus. If this trend holds true,
01:26:40.040
these people are going to have a complete mental breakdown. They really are. I mean,
01:26:44.400
they have been convinced that Kamala Harris is winning, that the New York Times poll or the
01:26:49.700
Washington Post was absolutely accurate, that inside Intel and Trafalgar and Rasmussen were just
01:26:56.700
crazy. It was a sure thing. And Trump was RIP. Rest in peace. And I don't think they'll
01:27:04.280
psychologically, I don't, I don't think we're going to, we have no idea about the mental confusion
01:27:09.300
that Trump should win because they were convinced that he was in the last 48 hours had lost his
01:27:15.540
momentum and she was a shoe in. I really, I've heard that from 20, 30 people today on campus.
01:27:21.840
Well, here, here's the other thing to your point. They, if Trump pulls this off,
01:27:28.040
the meltdown will be, yes, he's evil and he's been reelected and they're going to have to deal
01:27:32.780
with all of that. But it's also the loss of their power and control. They will have to come
01:27:39.480
to grips with like the, the 2016 thing was a fluke. They didn't take him seriously. He shocked
01:27:45.000
the world. That's one thing. But they, this time they pulled out all the stops from the law fair to
01:27:52.260
the nonstop actual media reporting that he's Hitler. I mean, there's not another stop to pull.
01:27:59.620
And if he manages to do it anyway, Victor, there is one, there is one, Megan, they've been talking,
01:28:06.420
as you know, about Jack Smith sentencing coming up. Not that that would affect his ability,
01:28:11.200
but they really do. I think they really do believe that if they lose this election, they will,
01:28:15.400
they will think that Jack Smith will put him in jail. And that will be, you mean, you mean not
01:28:19.820
Jack Smith. You mean the, the, the Alvin Bragg DA in New York? Yes. Alvin Bragg, but also Jack
01:28:25.580
Smith later on. Yeah. Jack Smith still got an open prosecution against him and he's a
01:28:29.600
appealing the one that got thrown out. So he's got two avenues against Trump still potentially
01:28:32.700
viable. I think you've mentioned that too. Alvin Bragg could put him in jail this month.
01:28:38.880
Mm-hmm. I mean, I don't think that they will be able to do that. I, oh, hold on one second.
01:28:43.760
Let's see. This is Pennsylvania. Hold on. We don't actually have a projection, but it's the New York
01:28:49.780
Times reporting. Pennsylvania right now, Trump plus three with 56% reporting. Uh, in Lackawanna,
01:28:58.360
it's Harris plus three. That's one of the counties. Um, that's where Scranton is with 95% reporting.
01:29:05.880
Wait a minute. What did, what did Biden get? Biden, Biden won Lackawanna plus eight,
01:29:12.440
eight and a half in 2020. She's at plus three right now in Biden's home County where Scranton
01:29:19.560
is Lackawanna. Again, it's only 56% reporting that could change, but she is just, you know,
01:29:24.400
what's happening now, Victor amazingly is where we may be starting to realize they were better off
01:29:30.760
with Biden. Biden. Yeah. I, I, we had a, I think I was on Jesse waters and we talked about that.
01:29:38.560
I don't know if they were better off, but, uh, they were better able to hide Biden because
01:29:43.700
everybody had baked into his presidency that he was cognitively challenged. So when he didn't appear,
01:29:49.600
they just said, well, he, the Obamas are running it or something, but he, he didn't get out. I mean,
01:29:56.140
they didn't let him out. And she, when she, she was in a doom loop because the longer she evaded the
01:30:01.920
media, the more pressure that was put upon her. And then when she came out every single interview,
01:30:07.520
she lost 24 hours of, uh, just support. Everybody just could not believe it. And, uh, it's, you know,
01:30:16.160
I think there's been cognitive distance. I really want to reiterate that in Michigan, we were told the
01:30:21.660
EV mandate was really turning off auto workers. We were tolling that the black vote in Detroit was
01:30:28.040
not there. We were tolling even the Muslim vote was starting to peel off from levels that Biden had.
01:30:34.540
And when you have these types of indicators in Pennsylvania and you have them, whether it's
01:30:39.700
registration or surprising, um, early and mail-in ballot, and then you look at these polls and they're
01:30:46.160
static. And I, I, I'd always say to myself, Megan, how can New Mexico be moving in Trump's direction,
01:30:52.540
but next door, Arizona is static. How can Minnesota be moving? And not that he's going to win it,
01:30:58.720
but it was moving in his direction. But the polls say Wisconsin is static. How could North Carolina be
01:31:04.520
static while Virginia was moving? And I just think that they, I, I'm not saying that they were dishonest,
01:31:10.820
but I do think that these polls had other purposes other than revealing what the actual, uh, estimations
01:31:17.340
of the, the ballot would be. And, uh, and there were too many indicators that things were not going
01:31:23.560
well for her across the board for the type of melody. Yeah. Do you, do you think it was an inability
01:31:31.260
to see good news for Trump? I mean, look, it, was it any accident that Larry Sabato's crystal ball
01:31:37.520
had among the worst projections for Trump best for Kamala. I don't know, Ann Seltzer in Iowa,
01:31:44.200
but she, she really got this one wrong. She, I think she tried to change the race with that poll
01:31:49.960
at the last minute, trying to inject some, and I don't know whether it was conscious or subconscious
01:31:55.320
to try to save and, and all this, all these older women are so obsessed with abortion and they're
01:32:00.500
running to the polls. Well, it didn't happen. He just won. Iowa was one of the first states called.
01:32:04.420
I think it's like, why would Lorne Michaels ruin his reputation after 40 years of obeying basically
01:32:12.480
protocols that you don't overtly endorse a candidate or put one particular candidate out right before
01:32:18.700
the election. And it's analogous to the pollsters. I think they felt that the ends were so important
01:32:25.340
that you had this noble, better, superior candidate, and you had this awful Trump. And if you were going
01:32:31.900
to risk your reputation just a little bit, it would be worth it because you could create momentum or
01:32:38.540
you could get a late surge in, and donations, or you could get more exposure or you could get
01:32:43.960
greater turnout. And they, and I do think that, I don't know whether it's overtly conscious or
01:32:49.980
subconscious, but I do think there was an intent behind it and it was not empirical because there
01:32:55.760
was too many indicators, Megan. The New York Times, not calling anything, but now moving Georgia from
01:33:03.600
toss-up. First, they moved it to lean Trump. And now they just moved Georgia to very likely Trump.
01:33:10.780
And they just moved Michigan to lean Trump. Michigan. And we were not, you heard Henry was saying
01:33:18.360
Wisconsin looks like it's Trump's at this point. He didn't call it, but he's saying Wisconsin is very
01:33:24.200
strong for Trump. This is Michigan and also North Carolina, likely Trump.
01:33:29.660
Yeah. You know, I go there every year and I would teach at Hillsdale for two or three weeks. And
01:33:35.020
I could tell there was something different in the news coverage. Trump didn't have as many
01:33:40.660
commercials, but they were far better. And you would, when you were reading about the Michigan
01:33:46.700
demography, you look at those three, that triad of special interest voters, the United Auto Workers,
01:33:53.040
the Dearborn Muslim vote and the Detroit and maybe Ann Arbor or Lansing or Grand Rapids African-American
01:34:02.360
vote. And all three of those indicators were not there in the way they had been for Biden.
01:34:07.620
And yet every, you would see these polls again and again, giving Biden two, three, 4%. I just think,
01:34:15.840
I don't think that was possible. I think they knew that was impossible. And I think they're really
01:34:20.140
going to take a hit, Megan. They're back to, their reputation is kind of improved after the 2022
01:34:25.300
midterm, but I think they're going to go back to the status they had in 2016 and even worse in 2020.
01:34:32.660
You know, I have to wonder, I have to wonder having just left Pittsburgh last night where,
01:34:38.220
you know, we had all these guys with the hard hats, you know, men who work with their hands,
01:34:43.100
cheering on their feet all night long for Donald Trump. That looks a lot like Michigan. That's
01:34:50.240
Michigan's full of guys like that. Auto workers, as you point out, suffering from these EV mandates
01:34:55.920
that Biden-Harris crammed down our throats. They want to eliminate these guys' industry. And I do
01:35:02.380
wonder whether, you know, just this ongoing problem with the Democrats, their messaging around what a
01:35:09.100
real man is, what a real job is. What do we drive? What do we cook with? What will the government tell
01:35:16.500
us? Or will men and women, for that matter, be able to make up their own minds and live peacefully
01:35:22.360
without the government trying to micromanage us? I just wonder how much that strain of the election
01:35:29.320
argument is driving these Michiganders and others in the Midwest to say no.
01:35:34.760
I think it is. I noticed that the gender gap that she was, in the case of males, actually went up
01:35:42.420
the more that Emhoff and Waltz started talking about the new empathetic male, the new masculinity,
01:35:50.060
those white dudes for Harris, those crazy actors that were in those commercials. Nobody's ever seen
01:35:55.720
a person act like that in the real world. And this idea that then the stories come out that,
01:36:01.180
you know, Waltz is kind of temperamental and Emhoff slapped his girlfriend or he got his nanny.
01:36:07.540
That was a whole disaster on their part. This idea that they were going to
01:36:11.800
create an image of a new masculine male who was feminine almost. And I think it really turned a
01:36:18.700
lot of independent men off. I really do. And especially in terms of foreign policy. I think
01:36:25.500
that, I think a lot of women and men both were very worried that after listening to Kamala Harris,
01:36:32.560
especially when she talks out of both sides of her mouth to different audiences and
01:36:37.000
how she was going to deal with Ukraine when Putin is now threatening to use tactical nuclear weapons or
01:36:44.400
putting incendiary devices allegedly on planes. And we're looking at something's going to happen with
01:36:49.780
Iran very soon. And the idea that she would be the commander and chief just terrifies people,
01:36:56.420
I think. And that came across. We'll see how, we'll see how the night goes.
01:37:01.500
Exactly. I'm going to stand you by one piece of good news for Kamala. The New York Times just
01:37:05.420
moved Michigan back into toss up. So Michigan goes to lean Trump right back to toss up moments later.
01:37:12.620
So they're not feeling as confident now that it may be getting redder as more and more raw vote
01:37:17.080
comes in and they get it tallied up. Stand by, Victor. We're going to come back to you. Great to
01:37:21.700
have you tonight. I love hearing from you. Back with me now here on set is Maureen Callahan. And also
01:37:26.340
joining our discussion is Amala Epanobi, host of the Amala Epanobi podcast, and Link Lauren, a former
01:37:32.640
senior advisor to RFKJ's presidential campaign. Thanks to you, Amala and Link, for joining the
01:37:38.880
conversation. Link, let me start with you, since you actually worked for RFKJ for a while, Bobby, as he's
01:37:44.180
known, your reaction to the returns we're seeing so far tonight. Well, I just heard that Xanax and
01:37:51.380
boxed wine are being delivered to the MSNBC studios. They are melting down. I'm happy to be back.
01:37:58.480
Maureen, we got to get some of that here just for fun. I'm coming in with a drink next time. I'm not
01:38:03.560
kidding. Why should they have all the fun? Go ahead, Link. I also have to say, you look stunning last
01:38:10.160
night in every sense of the word. I know you don't like people kissing your feet, but I have to say,
01:38:14.080
I'm so happy you were at the rally. We needed some women surrogates on stage for Trump. Where had they
01:38:19.780
been the last few months? So as for RFKJ, as for Bobby, I heard he is down at Mar-a-Lago hanging out
01:38:25.500
with Elon Musk, Caitlyn Jenner, Dana White, Donald Trump. That lineup is every woke liberal's worst
01:38:33.260
nightmare. Tucker Carlson, if you have purple hair and you went to Oberlin, you don't want to walk
01:38:41.040
into that room. But I think tonight, really, my jaw has been on the floor tonight with these Kamala
01:38:47.960
Harris returns because this is a referendum on the swamp, on the political Washington permanent
01:38:53.520
state. They have spent the last month saying Donald Trump is a fascist. He's Hitler. If you support him,
01:38:59.280
you're a Nazi. Everybody who supports him is garbage. And guess what? It's still a competitive
01:39:04.000
race. Kamala is not sweeping in a landslide, which tells us you can't make a soap purse out of a sow's
01:39:10.020
ear with Kamala Harris. She is a very flawed candidate. And this is the death of the legacy
01:39:14.880
media we're seeing right now. And we spoke about that all the time on the Kennedy campaign because
01:39:19.200
we could barely get booked in the mainstream media. Oh, my gosh. The New York Times is having a
01:39:24.380
schizophrenic moment. They just moved Michigan back to the lean Trump category. They can't make up
01:39:29.600
their minds about Michigan. Nobody knows. But I mean, Michigan is not even supposed to be his
01:39:34.340
strongest of the three states. They just moved the Wisconsin to lean Trump as well. That doesn't
01:39:40.100
mean they're calling it for him. But now we've got that where they are at 2 a.m. last night with him.
01:39:44.480
But yeah, that's true. That's right. Grand Rapids, Michigan is where he where he completed his
01:39:49.020
campaign. That was his last rally. So now we've got two out of the three blue wall states leaning
01:39:54.260
Trump. Oh, my God. I mean, I don't want to say like, but it's starting to feel like it's going
01:39:59.400
to happen. And to Link's point about the hysterics on the left and in particular at MSNBC, let's just
01:40:05.640
take a little look, see into what's happening at MSNBC and how they're taking the news. Watch.
01:40:12.540
You just think about just the last two weeks and the things that Donald Trump has said
01:40:16.960
into into the TV that people could hear him say and do the vulgarity in front of families with
01:40:24.460
young children and the threats to do mass deportation and a violent start, violent start to
01:40:30.800
his dictatorship on day one. And you name it. If all of that gets you half of the votes, 48,
01:40:37.560
49 percent. What does it tell you? I mean, we need to really take a step back and think about
01:40:41.860
what does that say about us? I think. What does that say about us?
01:40:48.120
Yeah, that's really the question she should be asking herself in regard to the whole Democratic
01:40:52.720
Party. What does this say about us that people are showing up for Trump in this way?
01:40:59.400
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