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00:00:31.220 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.960 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show

00:00:45.860 and today's Do It Live special episode where we look back at the absolutely incredible year

00:00:52.220 that is coming to a close.

00:00:53.940 And we do so through clips from the times when we went live on YouTube and Sirius XM

00:00:59.480 from major breaking news moments, so many this past year.

00:01:03.540 Things got busy between the end of June and early November 2024,

00:01:08.680 less than four months where we flipped the switch and went live,

00:01:12.220 unexpectedly that is, seven different times.

00:01:14.740 The show airs live every day, of course, on Sirius XM Triumph Channel,

00:01:18.260 but I'm talking about extra episodes due to breaking news.

00:01:21.140 Some were planned, some definitely were not planned.

00:01:24.100 And it began with that first presidential debate between Donald Trump and Joe Biden

00:01:27.480 that would be the beginning of the end for the incumbent president as the 2024 nominee.

00:01:32.840 A couple weeks later, the shocking assassination attempt in Butler, Pennsylvania,

00:01:37.460 which was less than an inch from a national tragedy.

00:01:40.800 Then a week later, live again, as Joe Biden dropped out and endorsed Kamala Harris on a Sunday afternoon.

00:01:48.600 We had the Trump v. Harris debate a couple of months later and the J.D. Vance versus Tim Wall's debate a few weeks after that.

00:01:55.760 And then election night and the moment it became clear that Donald Trump would become the 47th president of the United States.

00:02:03.420 So, as we close out 2024, let's relive some of the highlights of this year with the times we spent together trying to make sense of the news in real time.

00:02:13.820 Enjoy, and we will see you Monday with the next episode in our True Crime Christmas series.

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00:03:29.760 In my view, it is over for Joe Biden.

00:03:35.000 His presidential campaign came to an end tonight, whether he knows it or not.

00:03:39.640 There will be meetings tonight, first thing tomorrow, amidst Democratic Party leaders about how to get him off the ticket.

00:03:49.520 How to change in somebody else there have to be already we're seeing some reaction come in from top Democrats who rarely criticize the president, suggesting he needs to have a serious look at this performance tonight and assess for himself whether he can go forward.

00:04:06.000 It that number will mount there will be more and more.

00:04:10.200 It was an unmitigated disaster.

00:04:13.760 It was uncomfortable to watch.

00:04:16.980 I sat with my family and friends and for the first 25 minutes of the debate, we kept grabbing each other's arms.

00:04:24.580 It was so jarring.

00:04:27.740 He was so distant, so frail, so hard to comprehend, so unsteady.

00:04:36.660 You honestly didn't know whether he was going to make it through the answer, never mind through the debate, much less through a second term.

00:04:46.840 The contrast between Joe Biden and Donald Trump has never been more stark.

00:04:51.840 Trump came out calm, cool, collected in his own.

00:04:58.660 He looked comfortable.

00:05:00.720 Donald Trump Jr. tweeted out, I think actually the CNN format helped my dad.

00:05:04.920 It helped him stay composed and presidential.

00:05:08.680 I think he's right.

00:05:10.140 The inability for him to interrupt Biden did wind up helping Trump and he maintained his dignity for the most part.

00:05:18.740 He was in control and strong for the entire time, unlike his opponent.

00:05:24.160 I've never seen anything like that.

00:05:27.720 I've never seen a politician at any level perform like Joe Biden performed tonight.

00:05:33.560 And not only do I have questions about whether he will be his party's nominee, I have questions about whether he could possibly serve out his term.

00:05:41.420 He's the president of the United States right now, that man who couldn't spit out numbers or say trillion or billion correctly and lied at every answer because he seemed confused.

00:05:55.540 How is that our leader?

00:05:58.020 How are the Democrats going to nominate that man?

00:06:00.480 And shame on you, Jill Biden, Jill Biden, for allowing that.

00:06:06.320 I want answers from all these top Democrats who've been telling us how robust he is behind the scenes.

00:06:10.860 That's who I want to hear from most.

00:06:12.960 You lied.

00:06:14.140 Did you not think this moment was going to come that we'd never see this?

00:06:17.960 Why did you agree to put him out on the debate stage when you knew what the truth was and that we would eventually find it out for ourselves?

00:06:24.580 It's a dark day for this country.

00:06:29.760 He's our leader.

00:06:30.780 No one wants to see him embarrassed, but we're embarrassed ourselves tonight.

00:06:35.220 That's our president.

00:06:36.560 And he could very well win a second term if the Democrats continue their lawfare, if the media doesn't do its job, if the Democrats don't do the responsible thing here.

00:06:48.400 I want to get to Rich and Emily with their thoughts.

00:06:50.780 Guys, thank you for joining me.

00:06:51.780 Rich, what'd you think?

00:06:54.580 I don't think it was a great debate.

00:06:57.360 It was painful to watch by the end.

00:06:59.120 The argument over whose golf game is better and who has better handicap.

00:07:03.480 And if the mics hadn't been cut, it probably would have descended into what the first debate in 2020 was like.

00:07:07.660 So I agree with you that that helped Trump.

00:07:09.560 But Biden was terrible, like nightmarishly bad.

00:07:12.520 You know, we both had a lot of experience with Roger Ailes, who was a TV genius, if nothing else.

00:07:18.200 And he always said, you know, watch it with the sound down.

00:07:20.900 And as soon as Trump, sorry, Biden walked out before he said anything, you're like, oh, my gosh, this guy's president of the United States.

00:07:28.500 It looked like he was going to barely make it to the podium.

00:07:31.140 He had this blank and confused look on all the split screens when he wasn't saying anything.

00:07:35.980 And then when he talked, his voice was incredibly frail and weak.

00:07:40.220 They're saying apparently getting out that he had a cold.

00:07:42.900 I don't know.

00:07:43.100 Maybe he did have a cold.

00:07:43.900 But if he did, he should have said immediately, oh, excuse my voice.

00:07:46.840 I have a cold.

00:07:47.640 And then there was the the incoherence.

00:07:49.900 You know, not every answer, but a lot of the answers just that they started OK and then they faded into something, just a jumble.

00:07:58.900 You know, the beat Medicare.

00:08:00.280 We finally beat Medicare answer towards the beginning was maybe the foremost example of this.

00:08:05.520 So it was a debacle for Joe Biden.

00:08:07.160 I think Trump was, you know, about half the debate was was very good.

00:08:11.060 I think he got overheated at moments and drawn into things he probably shouldn't have.

00:08:15.420 But he had the better night by default, if nothing else.

00:08:20.040 I mean, I didn't think there was any question.

00:08:21.880 Anybody who says Joe Biden won that debate is a dishonest person that you shouldn't be listening to.

00:08:26.600 I do want to play that soundbite before I go to you, Emily, that Rich just referenced.

00:08:31.740 I mean, we have multiple queued up showing Biden's utter confusion.

00:08:35.780 He did not have the facts.

00:08:38.600 He was confused over very basic facts and it was repeated.

00:08:43.180 Take a listen to this.

00:08:44.180 We have a thousand trillionaires in America, I mean billionaires in America.

00:08:50.080 And what's happening?

00:08:51.400 They're in a situation where they, in fact, pay 8.2 percent in taxes.

00:08:55.640 If they just paid 24 percent, 25 percent, either one of those numbers, they'd raise 500 million dollars, billion dollars, I should say, in a 10-year period.

00:09:05.400 We'd be able to wipe out his debt.

00:09:07.100 We'd be able to help make sure that all those things we need to do, child care, elder care,

00:09:11.820 making sure that we continue to strengthen our health care system, making sure that we're able to make every single solitary person eligible for what I've been able to do with the COVID,

00:09:25.100 excuse me, with dealing with everything we have to do with, look, if we finally beat Medicare.

00:09:35.920 Thank you, President Biden, President Trump.

00:09:39.540 Oh, my God.

00:09:41.520 That's it.

00:09:42.420 That's it, Emily.

00:09:43.520 I mean, I just, I have, I'm looking at my own notes as this unfolded, and here's how they read.

00:09:51.940 So rehearsed, so old, phlegm, needs subtitles.

00:09:56.900 What is he saying?

00:09:58.360 So fast, rehearsed, can barely understand.

00:10:02.800 He's done.

00:10:03.860 And so frail is my other.

00:10:05.660 And what, what was he saying?

00:10:08.340 He beat Medicare, the trillions, the trillionaires, what he's done with COVID.

00:10:15.340 He was all over the map.

00:10:19.900 And that was fairly early in the debate.

00:10:22.120 So the vast majority of everybody who will consume the debate consumed that moment.

00:10:27.400 So people saw that happen live.

00:10:29.560 There's nothing, there's no spin in the world.

00:10:31.440 There's no Joe Biden had a cold that can in any way whatsoever change people's opinion of what they saw happen in front of them on that.

00:10:39.540 And, you know, you said when you were in your opening, it sort of gave me chills.

00:10:42.760 It's like a dark day in America.

00:10:44.200 That is exactly how I feel.

00:10:45.860 It's a very sad day to be an American because that is the president of the United States.

00:10:49.720 The first lady is responsible for putting him in this position. 0.99

00:10:52.740 There's no question about that in my mind.

00:10:54.520 The people close to him are responsible for putting him in this position.

00:10:57.400 And on top of that, we're seeing reactions roll in.

00:11:00.360 And the New York Times, during the debate, published a story saying that sources were telling one of their columnists, three Democratic sources telling their columnists, that they were just stunned and shocked.

00:11:12.220 We saw Casey Hunt say something similar over at MSNBC.

00:11:16.080 And I'm curious, are they pretending to be surprised?

00:11:19.580 Because people close to Joe Biden who have spent time with Joe Biden have got to have known.

00:11:24.360 I mean, we saw him do a press conference not that long ago where he was telling everybody, you know, Robert Hurd was wrong and he was losing track of his sentences there.

00:11:31.320 But here we are, fast forward to the debate.

00:11:33.300 In addition to that Medicare answer, his answer on abortion became an answer on immigration.

00:11:40.360 It was it was impossible to follow.

00:11:43.140 He had no train of thought to follow.

00:11:45.040 It was a it was a disaster.

00:11:46.440 I've really never seen anything like it.

00:11:48.620 That was a critical moment.

00:11:49.600 It was terrible.

00:11:50.860 It was another moment where we were all grabbing each other in my house.

00:11:53.940 Like, what just happened?

00:11:55.800 The question was about abortion.

00:11:57.920 And he brought Lakin Riley into it without naming her.

00:12:02.120 Yeah.

00:12:02.460 This nursing student in Georgia who was murdered by an illegal. 0.89

00:12:06.080 Here is the moment sought for.

00:12:08.640 I am a person that believes.

00:12:10.680 And frankly, I think it's important to believe in the exception.

00:12:13.840 Some people you have to follow your heart.

00:12:15.240 Some people don't believe in that.

00:12:16.500 But I believe in the exceptions for rape, incest and the life of the mother.

00:12:21.980 I think it's very important.

00:12:23.460 Some people don't follow your heart.

00:12:25.040 But you have to get elected also.

00:12:27.140 And because that has to do with other things.

00:12:29.520 It's been a terrible thing what you've done.

00:12:31.460 The idea that states are able to do this is a little like saying we're going to turn civil rights back to the states.

00:12:37.100 Let each state have a different role.

00:12:39.080 Look, there's so many young women who have been including a young woman who just was murdered.

00:12:43.400 And he went to the funeral.

00:12:46.320 And the idea that she was murdered by an immigrant coming in.

00:12:51.760 They talk about that.

00:12:53.240 But here's the deal. 0.88

00:12:54.280 There's a lot of young women who are being raped by their in-laws, by their spouses, brothers and sisters. 1.00

00:13:02.440 It's just ridiculous. 1.00

00:13:05.580 Oh, my God. 0.95

00:13:08.620 Guys.

00:13:09.520 Bizarre.

00:13:10.080 I mean, the only word for it is bizarre, right?

00:13:11.640 I mean, what is sometimes he's mumbly and confused and kind of know what he's getting at.

00:13:17.680 Medical.

00:13:18.260 That's a good word.

00:13:19.380 I mean, this is hard.

00:13:21.960 Unrecoverable.

00:13:23.300 Unrecoverable.

00:13:23.960 He cannot go on.

00:13:25.860 That this is that's it.

00:13:27.380 Those were the moments.

00:13:28.400 I don't care.

00:13:29.180 He did improve slightly toward the ends of the 90 minutes.

00:13:32.320 It's irrelevant.

00:13:33.960 He remember at the time we saw him confuse two critical pieces of his legislation.

00:13:38.640 I don't remember the two that he got confused, but he was in the midst of trying to make a point about one.

00:13:44.200 And he meandered over and started talking about the other.

00:13:47.060 And we were all like, what did he just do?

00:13:49.260 He juxtaposed the legislation and trying to make his point.

00:13:52.980 It wasn't a one off.

00:13:54.580 He can't keep the facts straight in his own head about something as simple as abortion versus illegal immigration.

00:14:03.540 He had his rehearsed lines and like a robot, Emily, he got a glitch that wasn't fixable without the handlers.

00:14:12.960 And he spent the last week not being president of the United States, but in Camp David, at Camp David doing debate prep.

00:14:22.260 And, you know, OK, not being the president of the United States, he was obviously doing both.

00:14:25.040 But it's highly unusual to take an entire week while you're president of the United States, go to Camp David and prep.

00:14:30.740 What's even more unusual, obviously, is then to come out looking like there was no prep in the world that could have prepared you to answer a basic question.

00:14:38.520 My word association with that clip is medical.

00:14:40.960 This is medical for all of the conversation about Donald Trump and the 25th Amendment during his presidency.

00:14:46.440 I mean, that has to be seriously on the table as the American people figure out what is going on with the man who is making nuclear, nuclear decisions.

00:14:55.640 There are two hot wars right now, one in Ukraine, one in the Middle East.

00:14:59.040 And this is the man with the power over our military.

00:15:04.340 That is the commander in chief.

00:15:06.340 It's beyond a presidential election.

00:15:08.040 I think what everybody just saw, those clips are going to be so viral.

00:15:11.480 Forget how many people actually have been watched this live.

00:15:13.400 I think the number was pretty high.

00:15:14.940 But Biden's moments there, they will be viral.

00:15:18.020 They will live in infamy.

00:15:19.020 They will never, ever, ever escape him.

00:15:21.820 His entire reputation will be tethered to this for the rest of his life.

00:15:25.360 I agree with every word you just said.

00:15:27.560 Rich, I feel like we're in danger tonight.

00:15:30.020 The country's now in danger.

00:15:31.520 Yeah, but this isn't really news.

00:15:36.000 It just has brought it home more starkly.

00:15:37.700 And it kind of makes you think, what were they thinking, right?

00:15:40.860 They didn't need to agree to debates.

00:15:43.440 It would have been embarrassing.

00:15:44.900 The Trump camp would have said, look, he's running scared.

00:15:46.900 He can't do it.

00:15:47.800 But it'd be better to have people saying you can't do it rather than going out and demonstrating you can't do it.

00:15:53.060 And, you know, nine o'clock at night for this man now, it's like one in the morning, right?

00:15:56.860 And Emily's point is exactly right.

00:15:58.200 This is after a week of preparation.

00:15:59.920 This isn't like a president of the United States that we've traditionally seen that doesn't do well in the first debate because they're not prepared, you know, and they're not ready for it and they take it too casually, right?

00:16:08.920 No, this is a guy who's been doing nothing else, you know, and probably all day today he was sleeping with cucumber slices over his eyes.

00:16:18.440 And this is the best they could get out of him.

00:16:21.380 And, you know, these moments, because they're they're weird, you know, maybe they're they're a little funny, probably more sad, as you put it.

00:16:28.640 But they're weird, you know, so so they'll be played over and over again.

00:16:32.060 And they will be the main impression out of the debate.

00:16:34.820 No doubt.

00:16:35.780 We've never seen anything like it.

00:16:37.660 Rick Perry lost his presidential race.

00:16:41.220 He was trying to become the Republican nominee because he said there are three agencies we should eliminate.

00:16:45.920 And he couldn't remember one.

00:16:47.240 That was enough to eliminate him as a candidate for president.

00:16:51.300 This president can't understand the difference between abortion and illegal immigration.

00:16:57.980 What does it even mean he did beat Medicare?

00:17:02.320 That those are just some examples.

00:17:04.340 We have many more of what's leading to the panic at this moment within the Democratic Party.

00:17:11.280 Forget the country.

00:17:12.640 We should all be panicked.

00:17:14.000 But the Democratic Party is at, I think, a 10 right now.

00:17:18.240 This from I mentioned it in reference in passing Nick Kristoff of The New York Times.

00:17:24.120 I wish Biden would reflect reflect on this debate performance and then announce his decision to withdraw from this race, throwing the choice of Democratic nominee to the convention.

00:17:33.560 Someone like Gretchen Whitmer or Sherrod Brown or Secretary Raimundo could still jump in and beat Trump.

00:17:42.180 And then there's Joy Reid over at MSNBC.

00:17:47.440 Watch this.

00:17:49.340 I, too, was on the phone throughout much of the debate with Obama, world people, with Democrats, with people who are political operatives, with campaign operatives.

00:18:00.880 Because my phone really never stopped buzzing throughout.

00:18:04.120 And the universal reaction was somewhere approaching panic.

00:18:10.120 The people who were texting with me were very concerned about President Biden seeming extremely feeble, seeming extremely weak.

00:18:21.640 Yeah, that sounds honest for once from her, Emily.

00:18:28.820 Yeah, it does.

00:18:30.560 But Rich made a really good point just now that it's not necessarily new.

00:18:35.700 And there were people who were reporting on this in different publications when they were allowed to who were getting absolutely hammered for trying to tell the American people that there were concerns in private about this.

00:18:47.400 So it's hard for me to listen to Joy Reid say that on air right now because I just don't believe, I do not believe, that if she's on the phone with Obama world during this debate, those same people were not telling her it has been bad all along.

00:19:02.360 They're not able to get away with the lie anymore.

00:19:04.720 And it's really sickening.

00:19:06.240 I don't think Biden actually even has after watching that.

00:19:09.760 I don't think he has the mental capacity to make the decision that Nicholas Kristof is asking him to make.

00:19:14.780 Nicholas Kristof is asking him to reflect on the debate and make a decision.

00:19:18.420 Joe Biden didn't seem to know where he was at certain moments of that debate.

00:19:22.080 He cannot competently make that decision.

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00:20:50.020 There is breaking news out of Pennsylvania, Butler, Pennsylvania to be specific.

00:20:55.420 This evening, where former President Donald Trump appears to have been the victim of an attempted assassination.

00:21:00.540 He was grazed by a bullet, according to local authorities.

00:21:07.040 The Butler County District Attorney, Richard Goldinger, telling the Washington Post that Trump was grazed by gunfire but is safe.

00:21:16.160 We are receiving similar messages from the Secret Service that Trump is safe and that he's been removed from the scene, but he was bloodied and he was grazed by gunfire.

00:21:26.720 The latest reporting out of the Washington Post, again, citing the local district attorney from Butler County, is that an audience member was killed and the shooter is dead as well.

00:21:38.600 Another person said to be in serious condition, according to this prosecutor.

00:21:43.420 Again, this is from the prosecutor to the Washington Post.

00:21:46.100 To reiterate, Trump grazed by gunfire, an audience member was killed.

00:21:51.280 The shooter is also dead.

00:21:53.680 Killed, we understand, by either Secret Service or by local law enforcement, who we believe unleashed fire once the former president had been grazed.

00:22:04.600 Another person in serious condition at this hour.

00:22:07.380 And that Donald Trump is receiving medical care at this hour.

00:22:11.960 And I'm sure it will be very thorough, even though he looks like he's all right.

00:22:15.660 They need to make absolutely sure that that's the case.

00:22:18.380 We're going to play the video for you now as we have it.

00:22:21.160 You will hear two shots at the top.

00:22:23.420 And we believe that that is the shooter.

00:22:26.640 We believe at this hour that what comes after is return gunfire by law enforcement.

00:22:31.700 And in an incredible scene, you will see President Trump get back to his feet, fist up in the air, appearing to say the words, fight.

00:22:43.200 And the crowd breaks out in chants.

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00:22:47.340 We see something that said, take a look at what happened.

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00:24:51.540 an absolute showing of resilience and strength by Donald Trump, who under the absolute worst

00:24:58.240 of circumstances managed to stop the Secret Service as they were escorting him out of a

00:25:04.100 dangerous scene, saying to them, first, where are my shoes? And then saying, wait, putting his right

00:25:11.720 fist in the air with blood covering his face because it's very clear he was hit. Again,

00:25:17.340 the word they're using is grazed along the ear, the right ear, blood on his face, pumping his fist

00:25:24.000 in the air. And it seemed clear to me he mouthed the word fight, fight repeatedly. And the crowd

00:25:31.320 broke out into chants of USA. For the listening audience now, the American flag being waved in

00:25:38.620 the air above that fist. This is a close up of the grazing along the upper part of his outer right

00:25:46.480 ear. And you could hear the former president speaking. He sounded lucid and OK. You know,

00:25:54.240 the comment, where's my shoes? You know, he wanted his shoes. Makes you wonder whether he was confused

00:25:59.740 about what exactly had just happened to him as opposed to just getting the heck out of there

00:26:04.980 as someone was clearly trying to take the president's life. We kick off our special coverage

00:26:10.340 right now with Rich Lowry of National Review, editor of National Review. Rich, it's a shocking

00:26:14.660 moment in American history in the context of this race and in the context of the messaging

00:26:20.660 almost universal, unless you're a fan of Donald Trump's or a fair cover of him like like you are

00:26:27.640 about the messaging around him, the rhetoric around him. I'm not blaming this on rhetoric,

00:26:32.840 but we would be derelict if we did not mention how it has been dialed up. And in particular,

00:26:39.960 it has been dialed up as I think the left feels this election starting to slip away.

00:26:46.340 That's not to say that caused this. We don't know who who pulled the trigger. It's just there's been

00:26:51.500 an atmosphere around this guy that has been dialed to an 11 for far too long. And many of us believed

00:26:59.740 it was only a matter of time before someone acted on it. Stunning pictures here. This one is of President

00:27:06.360 Trump on the ground, bloody with his hand nearby his face, trying to recover from what could have

00:27:14.240 been an assassination. Your thoughts on what we're witnessing today? I want to weep for my country.

00:27:20.500 It's just, it's horrible. It's, it's, there are no words for how terrible this is and how terrible,

00:27:27.360 more terrible could have been. I mean, we were centimeter, how far away from President Trump's

00:27:34.340 head being blown off at a rally on live television. And these are moments, Megan, the reason why,

00:27:41.260 you know, assassinations fascinate people. One of the reasons history telescopes down to inches

00:27:47.360 and seconds, right? If JFK's driver had sped up rather than slow down to see what was happening

00:27:54.200 after the first one or two shots, JFK would have survived that assassination attempt. If the Archduke

00:28:00.940 Ferdinand won, they threw a bomb at him, which didn't work. If he just said, we're not doing

00:28:05.480 anything else. But he had kind of a Trump-like spirit. He's like, we're going through this

00:28:08.260 whole ceremony in Sarajevo. I don't care. And when he was heading back, we actually went to

00:28:12.940 the hospital to see the people hurt from the bomb. If the car had not turned, made a wrong turn down

00:28:17.380 a narrow street that it couldn't get out of, that it happened to be that Gabriel Princip, one of the

00:28:22.380 assassination team, was just standing there not knowing what to do, was standing right there at that

00:28:26.200 moment. He would have lived, and all of history would have been different. That was the most

00:28:29.480 consequential assassination in world history. But that moment of Trump pumping his fist shows

00:28:37.500 what a sense of the moment, right? We get in fender benders where your head, you know,

00:28:42.760 goes back a little bit and you're kind of shocked. You don't know what happened to you or, you know,

00:28:46.600 it takes a little while to get your senses. To know that what that moment called for was strength

00:28:51.840 and reassuring his supporters. When you're right, how does he know? The Secret Service thinks the

00:28:55.960 threat's been neutralized. That's why they're picking him up. How does he know, right? He's just

00:28:59.560 been inches from being killed. How does he know? That is an image that will live throughout American

00:29:05.740 political history. Rich, I don't know about you, but I feel infuriated right now. I am angry

00:29:16.900 over what has been done to this man. You and I sat together in 2015 and National Review said,

00:29:26.660 not Trump, not this guy. Here we are all these years later. I see him so differently. Yes,

00:29:32.600 he's got character flaws, of course. But this is the embodiment of strength in the face of an

00:29:40.580 unbelievable onslaught, emotional, financial, when it comes to his freedom. And now his life,

00:29:50.540 literally with a bullet, having shot him in the head, his fist is in the air and he's telling the

00:29:58.440 crowd and all of us, fight, fight for your country, fight for what we're all in this for.

00:30:05.380 Don't let them shoot you down. Don't let them shoot down your ideals. Don't let them

00:30:09.820 ruin the country. I've never seen anything like this.

00:30:14.960 Yeah. So high politics is about, you know, it's about policy and ideas, but a lot of it's about

00:30:20.100 emotion. And this is a guy, you know, one reason we couldn't stop him when we tried in the primaries

00:30:26.680 in 2016 is he understood a crowd. He understood the moment. He got feeling and could play off of it.

00:30:35.120 And this is just the very pinnacle of this. That was just an epic reaction. And again,

00:30:40.920 it will never be forgotten. And what you opened with on the rhetoric, who knows who the shooter

00:30:45.880 was. But if you literally think he's Hitler, that's what they're telling us, right? The 0.78

00:30:51.220 president of the United States incumbent is telling us that, and maybe in not so many words,

00:30:55.860 what's the proper reaction? Just voting against him and hoping things turn out, right? If you take

00:31:01.560 it seriously, I think we've learned a lot of Democrats actually don't take it seriously.

00:31:04.560 But unfortunately, a lot of people do. If you take it seriously, what do you do? If it's existential

00:31:09.880 for American democracy, for our system of government, our way of life, what do you do?

00:31:14.960 Maybe you do whoever that apparent shooter on the rooftop, maybe you do what he did.

00:31:20.960 There is video. I don't know if we have it or can show it of a shooter. Forgive me. We don't know

00:31:30.760 that this is the shooter of what appears to be a man lying on a rooftop nearby. And the reports online

00:31:36.220 are that that's the shooter and he's dead. He's motionless and he's lying down. We're going to I've

00:31:44.620 spoken with somebody who is at the rally and we're going to have him call in talking about the security,

00:31:49.700 but it was tight as it would be for any Secret Service event with the former president, never

00:31:54.860 mind the leading contender for the GOP nomination, which of course takes place next week as a formal

00:32:00.640 matter. And so this person, in order to have a gun, Rich, you know, anywhere near shooting range of

00:32:08.160 this president. Yeah, I mean, it does make you wonder how he did it, whether he had help, how on earth

00:32:14.980 anybody was within shooting range of the this man, Donald Trump from a rooftop. All of that is going

00:32:21.100 to be investigated. But you've got to say kudos to local law enforcement or the Secret Service,

00:32:27.600 whoever took this guy out because it all happened in seconds. Yeah. So the you know, all the professionals

00:32:34.060 say and it just seems as though just watching as an amateur, their reaction to this was pitch perfect.

00:32:38.860 I mean, they immediately go on Trump. They're protecting him with their bodies, which apparently

00:32:43.560 moving act, putting themselves on the line. But but there are going to be questions that, you know,

00:32:49.640 according to Twitter, who knows? Things are going to change. We're going to learn more. You know,

00:32:54.300 as as we speak, you know, just during during this segment, probably we're learning more.

00:32:58.500 But how is there are indications that people are pointing to this guy on the rooftop and he got

00:33:04.740 the shots off before the Secret Service got him. It was unavoidable. Who knows? But they're going to

00:33:10.520 be a lot of questions. So it looks like the reaction was a Secret Service success. But I think

00:33:14.820 there'd be questions about how this guy was able to get within range. And initially, it seemed like

00:33:19.220 there's some speculation. Maybe it's a BB because, you know, when you get shot in your ear,

00:33:23.800 you just it's not just a little blood. Right. It's a horrible event. And it seems as though no

00:33:29.460 one else was hurt. But now, of course, we got in the reports of other people in the crowd tragically

00:33:34.360 hurt. We've seen that video of the Trump supporter who is there and his emergency room doctor, I believe,

00:33:40.760 was trying to save someone with a grievous head wound and didn't. So this was a furious fascination

00:33:47.480 attempt. And if if anyone comes this close to being killed, that's under Secret Service

00:33:54.040 protections. They're going to be a lot of critical questions afterwards.

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00:35:32.120 President Joe Biden officially dropping out of the twenty twenty four race for the White House

00:35:39.780 this afternoon, ending his bid for reelection after a disastrous debate performance against

00:35:46.980 Donald Trump, one that revealed his infirmity. Yes, mental, also physical, something he, his team

00:35:55.940 and a compliant, dishonest media have been denying and telling us not to believe for years now.

00:36:05.260 OK, that's how we got to this point. He lied. So did his vice president. So did his staff

00:36:13.120 and a compliant, complicit lapdog media ran to help them in this cover up. Only when we saw it with our

00:36:22.440 own eyes. What a mess he was that night of the debate. Did their game plan fall apart and American

00:36:31.420 citizens from coast to coast said, I can't vote for that. That man can't be president.

00:36:37.820 Those of you who may have been focused on other things like the attempted assassination of our

00:36:44.880 former president, Donald Trump, may have memory hold a bit what happened during that debate about

00:36:51.880 a month ago. It was moments like these when President Biden could not follow his own train

00:36:58.860 of thought. The man remains the commander in chief right now. He's not stepping down as president.

00:37:03.980 He is infirm enough that he admits he can't do a second term, but he will hold on to the reins of

00:37:09.480 power for some half a year. Still moments like this one where he could not follow his own train

00:37:16.320 of thought that raised a five alarm fire for all normies coast to coast. All those things we need

00:37:23.520 to do, child care, elder care, making sure that we continue to strengthen our health care system,

00:37:29.180 making sure that we're able to make every single solitary person eligible for what I've been able

00:37:35.760 to do with the, uh, with the COVID, excuse me, with, um, dealing with everything we have to do with,

00:37:43.060 uh, look, if we finally beat Medicare. Thank you, President Biden. President Trump?

00:37:53.180 Well, he's right. He did. And then there was probably the most eye popping moments of the debate.

00:37:56.780 When President Biden turned a conversation about abortion into one about Lakin Riley,

00:38:04.000 a nursing student who was murdered down in Georgia, a debate about illegal immigration,

00:38:09.840 which has nothing to do whatsoever with abortion. I am a person that believes. And frankly,

00:38:17.880 I think it's important to believe in the exception. Some people, you have to follow your heart. Some

00:38:21.400 people don't believe in that, but I believe in the exceptions for rape incest and the life of the

00:38:27.620 mother. I think it's very important. Some people don't follow your heart, but you have to get elected

00:38:32.340 also. And because that has to do with other things. It's been a terrible thing, what you've done. The idea

00:38:38.100 that states are able to do this is a little like saying, we're going to turn civil rights back to the

00:38:42.500 states. Let each state have a different role. Look, there's so many young women who have been,

00:38:46.880 including a young woman who just was murdered. And he went to the funeral. And the idea that

00:38:53.680 she was murdered by an immigrant coming in, they talk about that. But here's the deal. There's a lot 1.00

00:39:00.860 of young women who are being raped by their in-laws, by their spouses, brothers and sisters. It's just 0.91

00:39:09.920 ridiculous. What a nightmare just seeing it again. It was alarming. It was repeated. You can remember 0.99

00:39:22.020 the moment in which he incredibly claimed that zero U.S. service members died during his administration.

00:39:28.980 Well, Terry, you know, when he was president, they were still killing people in Afghanistan.

00:39:34.020 He didn't do anything about that. When he was president, we still found ourselves in a position where

00:39:38.240 you had a notion that we were this safe country. The truth is, I'm the only president this century

00:39:45.880 that doesn't have any, this decade, that doesn't have any troops dying anywhere in the world like

00:39:52.260 he did. I was getting out of Afghanistan, but we're getting out with dignity, with strength,

00:39:57.420 with power. He got out. It was the most embarrassing day in the history of our country's life.

00:40:03.120 It was a debacle. And not as the left would put it thereafter, because he wasn't able to make his

00:40:12.480 great points against Donald Trump. Because what we saw was that our sitting president and commander

00:40:17.380 in chief, the man with the nuclear football, is non-compass mentis. He should be 25th Amendmented

00:40:23.000 right out of office, but they wouldn't go that far. They understood what that would mean.

00:40:27.460 And probably we're calculating that it would also mean the immediate elevation of Kamala Harris to

00:40:32.680 the presidency, which was not popular amongst Democrats because they don't much like her.

00:40:38.240 It's not just Republicans. After that debate that night, I came on this show in a special live

00:40:43.800 broadcast and told you point blank, his race for the White House, whether he knew it or not was over.

00:40:49.520 In my view, it is over for Joe Biden. His presidential campaign came to an end tonight,

00:40:57.560 whether he knows it or not. There will be meetings tonight, first thing tomorrow, amidst Democratic Party

00:41:05.360 leaders about how to get him off the ticket, how to change in somebody else. There have to be.

00:41:14.040 Already we're seeing some reaction come in from top Democrats who rarely criticize the president.

00:41:20.240 Suggesting he needs to have a serious look at this performance tonight and assess for himself

00:41:24.560 whether he can go forward. That number will mount. There will be more and more. It was an unmitigated

00:41:31.580 disaster. And indeed, here we are about a month later, and he's done exactly that. Withdrawn,

00:41:41.720 not from the presidency, but from his candidacy for a second term. Joining me now, Mark Halperin,

00:41:46.540 founder of the Wide World of News Substack, longtime political journalist and the man who's been

00:41:51.900 breaking a lot of this about President Biden's plans this weekend to step down with considerable

00:41:59.000 pushback and mocking even from the White House spokespeople saying he was dead wrong. And yet,

00:42:04.980 Mark, what you reported late last week would happen today, Sunday, is almost exactly what happened,

00:42:12.100 with the exception of, I don't know, he did endorse Kamala in his letter saying he's stepping down,

00:42:19.820 I think, not in the letter, but in a tweet that followed it up. And so it seems like he's getting

00:42:24.960 behind Kamala, though. Are we sure? Well, I think that his, I'm pretty sure his intention was not to

00:42:33.280 endorse her. And some people close to her didn't want an endorsement. They want to separate themselves

00:42:37.140 from the Biden-Harris agenda. They don't want to be seen as a tool of kind of being established.

00:42:40.980 Wait, stand by, Mark. Hold it. Stand by. Stand by. Because you're really echoing. Is he echoing

00:42:44.120 just for me? Is he echoing in the broadcast, you guys? It's just for me. All right. So keep going,

00:42:49.540 Mark. Never mind. It's just me. I can deal with it. I just don't want my audience to have to.

00:42:52.180 Okay. Sure. So I believe what happened was after I reported he wasn't going to endorse that he was

00:42:57.720 besieged with calls. And his team was besieged with calls with folks to say, if you get out,

00:43:02.380 you must endorse your vice president. You've said she's the most qualified

00:43:05.040 person to be the president. You have to endorse her. So I think I was right at the time what his

00:43:10.640 intentions were, but it changed because of the pressure that he got in the interim. A lot's

00:43:16.840 happened behind the scenes since my initial reporting. But the basic thrust of it is, I think

00:43:23.220 this will be a, what I call a contested convention that's not contested. I've talked to people close to

00:43:28.700 all the other people who are named as potential candidates. And I don't at this point foresee anyone

00:43:33.500 challenging her. Although again, the desire in her camp is to make the seem as open a process as

00:43:39.380 possible. The delegates will be the one who pick and they're Biden Harris delegates. They're aligned

00:43:43.740 with her personally and ideologically. So I suspect even if town, she'll be the nominee. And I don't

00:43:48.920 right now see any major challenge to her. How did this come about? Because for weeks now,

00:43:54.980 all we've heard from the white house is he's not going anywhere. Only if God almighty comes down and

00:43:59.840 tells him to drop out. Will he go? He, he teetered a little bit on it this past week saying, well,

00:44:04.660 if there were, if there were a medical condition and then there was the announcement of COVID,

00:44:08.660 but what, what did it, Mark? Well, I'm still reporting that out. I think the money was a big

00:44:14.460 issue. I think Nancy Pelosi made it clear there'd be no money for this campaign and you can't run a

00:44:20.140 presidential campaign with no money. You can run with less than the other side, but not with no money.

00:44:24.260 That was part of it. And part of it was the data. Although his campaign liked to downplay

00:44:28.360 how badly his position had deteriorated. It had deteriorated in their own polling quite a bit,

00:44:33.980 I'm told. And then the Democrats, he was going to potentially drag down an electoral college wipe

00:44:39.120 out. And remember, it's important to remember, Megan, as I know, you know, before the debate,

00:44:44.200 he had one path to 270 electoral votes. It was exactly 270. And it involved, no margin of error,

00:44:50.040 winning Minnesota, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Nebraska's Omaha congressional

00:44:55.020 district. And no one's ever won the white house with one path, the 270. So he had a weak, weak

00:45:00.800 position, which deteriorated dramatically. And the Democrats who, who were telling him to get out

00:45:06.460 were looking at an electoral college landslide and with implications for down ballot. Everyone can talk

00:45:13.420 at length about the risks of this change, about the electoral, um, uh, questions about Kamala Harris,

00:45:19.400 but the alternative was doom. They'll take chaos and risk over doom.

00:45:25.840 You tweeted out earlier today, uh, as follows, as he was digging in his heels publicly. If an angry

00:45:33.080 and defiant Joe Biden tries to hold on by running out the clock, Speaker Pelosi will have to raise the

00:45:37.720 pain quotient to unimaginable levels. Veteran Pelosi watchers believe that is what she will do

00:45:43.840 starting as early as today. What was behind that? Well, I don't know exactly what happened. I'm,

00:45:51.120 I hope to be able to report it out and see exactly what was communicated. But as we saw on Friday,

00:45:56.980 there were many more Democrats who came out, but still a tiny percentage of Democrats who thought Joe

00:46:02.580 Biden should step aside had publicly said that. And you started to see, for instance, in the op-ed

00:46:08.520 piece in the Boston Globe by Congressman Malkin, who's very close to Joe Biden talking about the

00:46:13.440 loss of mental acuity. You started to see what I think would have been a campaign to turn up the

00:46:17.900 pressure on the president, to make it so painful for him to stay that he would have no choice but

00:46:22.700 to turn. And I think Nancy Pelosi and others masterfully orchestrated this to turn up the pain

00:46:27.460 just enough as a preview of coming attractions to say to Joe Biden, you're doing your way or we can

00:46:33.440 do it the hard way. And he didn't want to go through it the hard way, particularly when his

00:46:37.820 donors, much of his staff, many of his congressional allies already made it clear to him directly or

00:46:43.140 indirectly, you should not go forward because you cannot win and you'll bring down the Democratic

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00:48:29.920 Well, I watched it. Did you watch it? I'm disgusted. I'm disgusted. I'm ashamed of those moderators

00:48:41.340 at ABC News. They did exactly what their bosses wanted them to do. The person who runs ABC News

00:48:49.080 is a close personal friend of Kamala Harris that is responsible for Kamala Harris and her husband

00:48:57.100 meeting. And they did Dana Walden's bidding tonight. It was three against one on that debate stage this

00:49:06.140 evening. Hi, everyone. I'm Megan Kelly. A special program tonight for you reacting to the debate.

00:49:10.240 It was three against one. It's very easy to look like you know what you're doing when both moderators

00:49:17.780 are entirely on your side. Trump did the best he could under the circumstances, but it really was

00:49:24.800 like three fighters in the ring pummeling one opponent. And Trump tried to take them all on.

00:49:31.260 He did fine. He did as best as he could. He was thrown a few times to the point where he was

00:49:37.900 unnecessarily defensive and he was getting angry. And so was I. Were you? This was a mistake

00:49:47.920 to trust ABC News with this debate. The Republicans must learn from this mistake. The same way the

00:49:56.320 Democrats never, never, never agree to do anything with moderators they don't entirely trust. This

00:50:05.580 should be the last time the Republicans ever do this. Because those two moderators tried to sink 1.00

00:50:14.360 Donald Trump tonight. The numerous fact checks on what he said and none on what she said. None.

00:50:26.280 I don't remember a single fact check of anything she said. And she lied repeatedly. She just got away

00:50:35.720 with it. In the moderator's eyes, that was Donald Trump's job to fact check her. That's correct.

00:50:42.140 Except you didn't employ that same tactic when it came to Trump. And you accused him of lying even

00:50:49.000 when it was your opinion that he lied. When Trump tried to say that his comment that he lost 2020 by

00:50:57.000 a whisker was him being sarcastic. David Muir actually injected saying, I didn't hear sarcasm.

00:51:04.860 Who gives a shit what you heard? Who died and left you political analyst in chief? You're supposed to 0.99

00:51:12.040 be the objective news anchor of world news tonight. That's a comment you make to your significant other,

00:51:20.500 David. Not on the debates. It didn't sound like that to me. Shut up. That is inappropriate. It's not

00:51:28.220 for you to make that call. Leave it up to Kamala Harris. Leave it up to people like me who will play 0.63

00:51:34.440 the soundbite and let the audience decide. But you were at a line and they did it to him over and over

00:51:40.760 and over again. And the worst, the worst piece of all of this is the obvious tactic by ABC News,

00:51:48.080 which was as follows. Mr. Trump, you said something incredibly controversial and terrible.

00:51:53.860 Let me remind you of what it was. Do you have any regrets or thoughts on how terrible you were?

00:51:59.700 Trump answers. Vice President Harris, how bad is Trump? And then she'd answer. It happened over and

00:52:07.000 over again. That was the format. Mr. Trump, you're a piece of shit. Kamala Harris, isn't he a shit?

00:52:14.580 Thank you. It was incredible. And then anything Trump said, fact check, fact check, fact check. 1.00

00:52:21.960 And their fact checks were full of shit. I'm swearing even more than normal right now because 1.00

00:52:27.880 I'm mad. I'm angry. I'm angry at them, at ABC, at my industry that I want nothing to do with. And I

00:52:36.020 I've never been happier to be outside and be able to say how I truly feel. And yes,

00:52:40.600 even with some colorful words, because that's what the situation calls for. They're trying to steal

00:52:46.240 this election. They're openly working to sink him.

00:52:53.940 I don't I think it was so bad. Their bias against him and toward her that it's going to backfire. I

00:53:01.640 actually think the American public is going to see through this and there's probably going to be some

00:53:06.820 empathy for Trump. No fair minded person could think anything other than that they were in the

00:53:11.860 tank for him. And it was three against one on that stage tonight. Joining me to discuss it,

00:53:15.580 Emily Jashinsky, DC correspondent for Unheard and Rich Lowry, editor in chief of National Review.

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00:54:13.440 I've never seen anything like it, Rich. I've never seen anything quite so biased at the presidential

00:54:18.740 debate level. Well, it continues the theme of this race, right? They've been completely in the tank for 0.98

00:54:23.480 Kamala Harris and the moderators on the debate stage were completely in the tank for Kamala Harris. 0.97

00:54:29.420 And you just, you knew where the night was going when we got the first fact check when Trump was

00:54:32.920 talking about abortion and was talking about, he misspoke in this instance. He got it right 1.00

00:54:36.660 later when he said the West Virginia governor, the former, he meant the former Virginia governor

00:54:40.800 had talked about abortions after birth, right? And he didn't say in any state has abortions after

00:54:48.280 birth. He just said the governor had said this, which is a correct statement. And then he's fact

00:54:52.300 checked by saying, oh, Mr. Trump, there's, there's no state in America that has abortion after nine 0.59

00:54:56.880 months. Actually, there are a few instances in Minnesota. He was correct about that as well.

00:54:59.940 But this is the point, the fact check was incorrect, right? And this is why debate

00:55:04.760 moderators shouldn't fact check. You know, the CNN moderators did not fact check because what you

00:55:09.820 think the fact is in that moment may be subjective, you may be wrong, and you're tilting the playing

00:55:15.100 field. And certainly to fact check one candidate and never fact check the other, she did the

00:55:20.760 Charlottesville lie, that both sides are fine. People lie, no fact check. She did the bloodbath lie. 0.77

00:55:26.860 He clearly didn't mean that, you know, that the country is going to be, they're going to be a 0.52

00:55:30.880 rise in the street if he's not elected. It was an economic statement, no fact check. So the

00:55:35.340 moderators were disgraced. It's one of the reasons Trump seemed on defensive a lot of the night.

00:55:41.160 One was he took a lot of bait from, from Kamala Harris. They didn't need to. The other was the,

00:55:45.260 the horrendous moderation.

00:55:47.680 Agree. He took bait. He shouldn't have taken. He was defending himself on the pandemic.

00:55:51.160 He, he was on his heels instead of going on offense and pivoting off of the bad point for him

00:55:56.380 onto something that was more offensive. That was a tactical error by him. But I do want to just spend

00:56:00.360 a minute on this fact check you just mentioned. Here it is. Here's the moment we're referring to

00:56:04.880 where Lindsay Davis, helpfully fact check Trump on this abortion claim. 0.99

00:56:10.740 They have abortion in the ninth month. They even have, and you can look at the governor of West

00:56:16.020 Virginia, the previous governor of West Virginia, not the current governor is doing an excellent job,

00:56:21.060 but the governor before he said, the baby will be born and we will decide what to do with the baby. 0.90

00:56:26.980 In other words, we'll execute the baby. There is no state in this country where it is legal to kill 0.82

00:56:31.520 a baby after it's born. Okay. That's not true. And maybe she can use the word kill. It's,

00:56:38.900 it's not like somebody's sticking a knife in the dead baby in the, in the alive baby as it's dying,

00:56:44.400 Emily. But you and I both know that in places like Minnesota and elsewhere, if you are trying

00:56:50.920 to abort a baby in the ninth month or otherwise, and it's born instead of dying in the mother's womb,

00:56:58.000 they will let that baby sit on the table and die. And Trump's claim though, Rich is right. He said at

00:57:05.480 first West Virginia, later he corrected himself to Virginia. Their former governor, Ralph Northam

00:57:09.740 said this on camera, admitted to this. Here is the soundbite.

00:57:15.380 Boy, if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen. The infant would be

00:57:21.640 delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if, if that's what

00:57:27.820 the mother and the family desired. And then a discussion would ensue between the physicians

00:57:33.200 and the mother. So I'll give you one other Roger Severino. He's with the heritage foundation

00:57:38.480 tweeting out the following Harris. And as it turns out, Lindsay Davis is dead wrong. Some babies do 0.99

00:57:46.240 survive abortions and can be saved, but are denied life-saving treatment, including under Tim

00:57:50.800 Wallace's watch. Harris even voted against the born alive abortion survivors protection act to defend

00:57:59.400 that would have defended the lives of these babies, their right to live once born. Unconscionable.

00:58:07.940 Trump didn't say any of that. Okay. He tried, but the nerve of this moderator to inject herself 0.96

00:58:14.860 into it without any of this. That's for you, Emily.

00:58:18.740 Here's what I find especially infuriating about that. She chose, she editorialized with all the 0.99

00:58:28.260 sanctimony in the world, uh, to say that word, to focus in on that word, quote, execute. I don't know

00:58:34.580 if she knows any of the context that you just provided, which is all completely accurate and

00:58:40.020 known to people who follow the news closely, uh, unless you're in a total bubble and aren't doing

00:58:45.280 your job, which is obviously the case here, but she chose to editorialize and say, it's not true.

00:58:50.240 You can't execute. You can't kill babies. I mean, actually it depends on whether or not you 0.76

00:58:55.640 consider having a baby who could be cared for born alive and then left without care. If you,

00:59:02.020 if you don't consider that an execution, okay, but she is injecting here to quibble editorially 0.99

00:59:08.260 and she doesn't have a leg to stand on, on this particular issue. There are obvious moments where

00:59:15.100 Kamala Harris could have been fact-checked just as any candidate could. I don't object to them

00:59:20.360 fact-checking Donald Trump. I object to them fact-checking as Rich said, period. Um, you know,

00:59:25.860 we didn't, after that CNN debate about Biden, talk about the moderators for a lot of reasons,

00:59:29.960 namely because of Biden, but we also really saw them sink into the background of that debate.

00:59:34.980 It was the opposite in this case. They were constantly injecting themselves constant fact

00:59:38.580 checks. Didn't get a fact check on IVF project 2025, as Abigail Schreier pointed out, nothing on

00:59:44.700 Charlottesville. Even when Snopes had fact-checked what Joe Biden was saying about Charlottesville,

00:59:49.720 that Kamala Harris repeated, nothing on abortion, nothing on that bloodbath comment. They just let

00:59:54.340 it all go and just went straight for Trump. It was all him, none, nothing, not, not one fact-check

01:00:00.540 on Kamala Harris. But Emily, what you point out gets to the insanity of it. If she was going to be

01:00:04.740 strictly accurate in her fact-check, she would have said, well, it's not technically an execution

01:00:09.120 because you're not affirmatively killing the child. Instead, after the child's born, you're just

01:00:13.600 giving the child comfort care and not the medical care that might be necessary to save him or her.

01:00:18.020 That's an opinion, right? That's a debate answer. But instead, they do it under the guise of a fact

01:00:24.220 check, which gives it this authority it doesn't deserve that they're using by the grace of them

01:00:31.020 sitting there as moderators. It's a total abuse of their role.

01:00:36.280 Yeah. And the same thing on Trump's attempt to claim that when he said on a podcast that he lost

01:00:44.140 the 2020 election by a whisker, he, I said this on my show today, you guys, I said,

01:00:50.240 if I were asking the questions tonight, I would ask him about that. And about the fact that he sat

01:00:56.280 on a podcast last week, he lost by a whisk by a whisker. And you should bring that up. And that's

01:01:01.200 fine to bring that up, which they did. And I was actually surprised by Trump's answer. I was being

01:01:05.700 sarcastic. And I'm going to be honest. I don't know that he was being sarcastic in that answer

01:01:10.340 either. I didn't detect the sarcasm myself. That's not appropriate as a fact check, David Muir.

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01:01:50.600 The moderators were not much better. They were a little better than ABC News. But

01:01:58.760 J.D. Vance put on a masterclass in how to handle biased moderators and a lying opponent. And it was

01:02:08.520 a thing of beauty. It was beautiful. It was like every Republican or Republican voter or person who in

01:02:19.800 this case is rooting for Trump knows exactly what I am feeling right now, which is just thank God

01:02:26.200 it. It is listening to a guy go out there and know how to raise the right points in response to the

01:02:33.280 right questions to not take the moderators bullshit. It was really cleansing. It was just you never see 0.96

01:02:43.500 it. It's just so great to see. The moderators are gross. Margaret Brennan, not only do you desperately

01:02:52.780 need some bronzer, you need to understand how to moderate a fair debate when you have half the

01:03:00.100 country who's rooting for the other guy. She didn't even attempt to be fair. I mean, I'm going to utter

01:03:07.600 words I never thought I would utter. I preferred Nora O'Donnell. Oh, my God. This Margaret Brennan,

01:03:15.240 she used to have a reputation as being kind of like reasonable. Like she flirted with the Catholic 0.99

01:03:19.880 right, the Christian right. And she when you get on issues of faith, she could be kind of like normal.

01:03:25.200 No, no. She's been in the soup too long. She's gone totally native over there at CBS News. You are

01:03:32.300 terrible, madam. Terrible. The moderators were disgusting, but J.D. Vance was a vision. And Tim 1.00

01:03:40.340 Walls really did indeed look like the bumbling knucklehead he said he was. There's so much to go 0.71

01:03:48.980 over. We have a full lineup of guests for you tonight. We've got in-depth analysis on what we

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01:05:22.200 Rich, do you feel me? Are you feeling you picking up what I'm putting down?

01:05:25.820 Totally. I don't know how he possibly could have improved on that performance. Substantively,

01:05:32.620 tonally, just everything. In terms of the message he was driving home, he brought it back to the

01:05:38.660 economy and the American dream and how we need to revive it. He constantly made the point that

01:05:43.280 Kamala Harris is in power now. And why hasn't she done all these wonderful things that she's 1.00

01:05:48.600 promising? The only thing that was difficult for him, I think, was the January 6th thing right at the

01:05:52.820 end. That's not his fault. Donald Trump has created that vulnerability. But he deflected really

01:05:57.200 deftly there as well by getting it onto the censorship. So I'm not sure when I've seen a

01:06:02.440 better debate. Maybe, I don't know, I have no use for him, obviously, because my politics are

01:06:06.200 opposite. But maybe Barack Obama at his height in 2008. But this was just an extraordinary performance,

01:06:11.320 a stellar performance. I'm not surprised that he was great because we've kind of seen it out on the

01:06:14.800 campaign trail and in various interviews with hostile interviewers. But I was a little surprised at how

01:06:19.680 pathetic Tim Waltz was. Came out of the gate, nervous, you know, hemming and hawing. And then 0.99

01:06:27.040 just the way he looked when he wasn't speaking on camera, he looked nervous. He looked sad. He

01:06:33.220 looked befuddled. He kind of looked like the kid in the back of the classroom that can't keep up with

01:06:37.840 the lecture and is desperately trying to take notes. It was just a terrible, terrible look.

01:06:42.900 Sure. Eliana cannot relate to that kid. She was the front kid in the front of the class 1.00

01:06:50.760 every time. This is the classic. This J.D. Vance look will go down. This will be on people's

01:06:56.820 Christmas stockings. Here's one thing I wanted to add. You know what was so masterful about what

01:07:03.640 J.D. did tonight. He's been demonized by this press since he was named as the running mate.

01:07:11.020 And he completely shattered that tonight. He was kind. He was likable. He complimented his

01:07:18.580 beautiful wife. He brought up his kids. He kept giving Tim Walz points like, you know,

01:07:24.260 I kind of agree with that. He said the thing about how if I don't win and he becomes the vice president,

01:07:29.300 I will help him. He did such an effective job throughout the whole 90 minutes of showing

01:07:37.480 America. I'm actually a nice guy. And those women, those female Republican voters who left the party

01:07:44.440 who are now going to vote for Kamala Harris. Well, if he was the problem, you know, the child is cat

01:07:49.720 ladies, which did not come up. I have to imagine they're looking at him just a little softer

01:07:55.280 tonight, Eliana, but your thoughts on what we saw tonight. I thought it was an extremely impressive

01:08:00.500 performance on Vance's part. And I have to imagine that, uh, rich and many other conservatives,

01:08:07.820 uh, like, like me were thinking the same thing, which is watching J.D. Vance. It was clear that he

01:08:15.280 prepared a lot, not only in terms of the substance of his responses, but also in terms of the style.

01:08:22.240 Um, he knows how to be combative, but he wasn't that combative tonight. Uh, he came across as very,

01:08:29.440 very likable. Um, and I kept thinking, this is the job everybody wishes Trump had done because in

01:08:36.000 terms of the discipline of his responses, he brought every response back to, well, you know,

01:08:41.920 who's been in office for the past three and a half years, Kamala Harris. It started with the first

01:08:46.920 response to the question that was on Israel and Iran and talking about, um, a world in flames and

01:08:55.440 the chaos that has engulfed the world over the past three years. And he brought that back to

01:09:00.860 the doorstep of Kamala Harris. Um, but for as good as Vance was, walls was extremely weak and people were

01:09:09.940 talking about, you know, the, the, the Harris campaign was deliberately lowering the bar for

01:09:14.680 walls. CNN ran a story saying Tim walls is really, really nervous. And there were questions about

01:09:20.900 whether this is a strategy so that he can go out there and overperform. Uh, well, they didn't actually

01:09:26.540 lower the bar enough. Um, cause he was extremely bad and you know, um, Vance, uh, people are commenting

01:09:36.420 on Twitter that he's really benefited from doing so many media interviews and from having so many

01:09:42.380 combative exchanges with the press. Well, he was better than all of the, than any interview he's

01:09:47.500 done since walking on that stage in Milwaukee. And for walls, um, there are a lot of people out there

01:09:53.920 saying he should have done more interviews maybe, but on the other hand, watching him tonight, you start

01:10:00.080 to think, you start to understand why the campaign doesn't actually want him out there.

01:10:04.640 Yeah, that's right. When, when he's, when he's in front of a friendly interviewer, like, uh, when

01:10:09.560 he used to go on MSNBC before he got chosen, sure, that could be a friendly fun exchange in which you

01:10:14.740 do well. This is a totally different ball game. And it is interesting now that that CNN article

01:10:19.780 yesterday setting the expectations low now seems like a clarion call, like how, how it's not going

01:10:26.680 to go well. The truth about the whole campaign. Oh, also, um, walls, walls, his biggest lie the whole

01:10:32.240 night came at the end when he said, I really enjoyed this debate. Okay. So I think all three

01:10:38.800 of us felt, I'm guessing that, that the one moment where he went after the moderator for his

01:10:45.920 time, he, he was fact-checked by the non-fact-checkers who were fact-checkers, but only again

01:10:52.320 of JD Vance, they let Tim walls, get away with lie after lie. And like Jesus came down and told

01:11:01.220 him, this is what Republican voters want to see. He wasn't having it. He insisted on having his time.

01:11:08.560 I'm forgive me, but those bitches tried to cut his mic. It was just, it was unbelievable. Here's 1.00

01:11:15.500 the exchange in SOT1. Now, governor Waltz broke, brought up the community of Springfield and he's

01:11:21.660 very worried about the things that I've said in Springfield. Look in Springfield, Ohio and in

01:11:27.560 communities all across this country, you've got schools that are overwhelmed. You've got hospitals

01:11:32.600 that are overwhelmed. You have got housing that is totally unaffordable because we brought in millions

01:11:37.820 of illegal immigrants to compete with Americans for scarce homes. And just to clarify for our viewers, 0.55

01:11:43.560 Springfield, Ohio does have a large number of Haitian migrants who have legal status,

01:11:49.680 temporary protected status. Well, Margaret, but thank you. Senator, we have so much to get to.

01:11:54.780 Margaret, I think it's important because the rules were that you guys are going to fact-check. And

01:12:00.740 since you're fact-checking me, I think it's important to say what's actually going on. So there's an

01:12:05.340 application called the CBP One App, where you can go on as an illegal migrant, apply for asylum or apply

01:12:11.700 for parole and be granted legal status at the wave of a Kamala Harris open border wand. That is not a

01:12:20.020 person coming in, applying for a green card and waiting for 10 years. That is the facilitation of

01:12:24.840 a legal immigration, Margaret, by our own leadership. Thank you, Senator, for describing the legal process.

01:12:29.760 We have so much to get to, Senator. Those laws have been on the books since 1990.

01:12:34.700 Thank you, gentlemen. The CBP One App has not been on the books since 1990.

01:12:40.020 It's something that Congress has created for. Gentlemen, the audience can't hear you because

01:12:44.980 your mics are cut. We have so much we want to get to. Thank you for explaining the legal process.

01:12:50.620 Nora. Thank you, Margaret.

01:12:52.700 I am dripping contempt, dripping contempt out of my pores for CBS News in that month.

01:13:00.180 That was such a dereliction on so many levels. Hello, you morons. A debate is unfolding. Alert 1.00

01:13:08.760 note to anchor and CBS producers. The debate is happening right here. You let it fire up. Let

01:13:16.760 them go. Eliana, we talked about this a million times before we prepared for our debate back in

01:13:21.140 December. When you have fire on the stage, let it play out. This is a real issue. This is a huge issue.

01:13:27.420 And it's voters number one or number two issue in virtually every poll. You didn't have a lot more

01:13:32.820 to get to. There was a lot of inanity in that debate, including your next question, which was

01:13:36.640 about climate change. And good for J.D. Vance for fighting on it. When Trump was fact-checked

01:13:44.100 multiple times and Harris was not fact-checked at all, I think it was on your show, Megan, when I said

01:13:49.520 he should have been prepared to be unjustly fact-checked. And that's exactly what J.D. was prepared for

01:13:56.980 tonight. And he did a wonderful job with that. I think any Republican candidate should be prepared

01:14:03.680 when they walk on a stage on a mainstream media network to be treated unfairly and to hit pack

01:14:09.540 exactly as Vance did because viewers like it. And I think both independent and persuadable voters

01:14:17.300 like to see it as well as the base. And Rich, for Tim Walsh to try to say that the CB1 app has been in

01:14:28.160 place since 1990, you know, this is nothing new that Kamala Harris and Joe Biden did, is such a lie.

01:14:33.680 That's what Vance was about to say. Like, this has been one of the most controversial things you've done

01:14:39.260 while in office. She's done while in office. And they cut his mic and moved on to climate change. 0.98

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01:16:18.300 All right, Henry. So it's been about two hours since we last spoke. What is jumping out at you as the most

01:16:29.340 relevant couple of storylines?

01:16:32.860 The likely but not yet callable victory of Donald John Trump for the presidency of the United States.

01:16:38.280 Well, why?

01:16:40.120 Why? It's because as all of these places come in, what we see is stronger than expected. Trump showing

01:16:50.200 the supposed election day swift movement towards Conal Harris is not materializing. One of the

01:16:59.980 patterns of the night, if you follow the New York Times needle, is that the more votes that come in,

01:17:06.020 the more they move their estimate towards Trump, which means that they keep showing stronger and stronger

01:17:11.360 returns than they had expected. You take a look, every exit poll, I do the math, the ones that have

01:17:19.120 them within tenths of a point, the only one she's ahead in is Michigan. But you take a look, like right now,

01:17:26.860 Donald Trump is ahead in Wisconsin by three tenths of a point. Seventy-something percent of the vote in

01:17:33.740 Madison County is in. There are counties that are going to vote for Donald Trump that haven't

01:17:38.400 reported a single vote. He's not losing votes in the suburbs of Milwaukee. He's picking up votes in

01:17:45.420 the suburbs of Milwaukee. The two swing counties in the state, Sauk and Doer, are voting for him.

01:17:53.020 You don't call an election like this. It's way too many votes. But the things that we were told in the

01:17:58.940 media today that were happening are not actually showing up in results. And that's happening in

01:18:07.100 virtually every state I look at. And it's carrying through to the Senate that they have not called

01:18:14.080 the race for Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz is going to be the next senator. He's ahead by eight points or so.

01:18:20.420 Fox called it for him. Okay. Sorry. Has Fox called Bernie Marino? No. None of the other big Senate

01:18:30.360 races has been called. Yeah. Okay. You know, there's still votes out. Bernie Marino is ahead

01:18:36.540 by five points. Some Democratic areas are out. But, you know, you're just looking at this. And

01:18:43.580 the Democratic senators are not running very far ahead. As the votes come in, Donald Trump is doing

01:18:51.180 much better. You know, not much better like five points, but a point or two better when the exit

01:18:56.120 polls say you're within tenths of a point. And all the data suggests that it can be more like one or

01:19:00.640 one and a half. All of the data point in the same direction. This race should not be called. But the odds

01:19:06.120 of Donald Trump winning, you know, 79% on the needle strikes me as about right, that it would take a

01:19:12.120 massive miracle in Election Day voting across the blue wall to save Kamala Harris right now. 0.98

01:19:19.380 Wow. Wow. Gosh, Henry, you know how to really get our attention with your projections.

01:19:25.280 That's incredible to hear. Yeah, go ahead.

01:19:30.420 I'm just saying I'm not calling it. When I call a race, it means, you know, I'm point. Let's put it 1.00

01:19:36.620 this way. A certain a certain type of opera singer with a with Viking horns is warming up time to get 0.97

01:19:43.960 ready to say she had a little too much for dinner. This gal. Do you think these margins or sign 0.98

01:19:50.920 these margins are going to hold that? I just went through of 20 percent with black men and 54 percent 0.92

01:20:01.280 with Latinos? Latino men. You know, do I think they're going to hold? Yeah. Exit polls are always 1.00

01:20:09.600 difficult to critique until you have all of the data that are in. But, you know, like what I can

01:20:15.100 point to is let's take a look at Florida. Osceola County, the most Puerto Rican county in the country.

01:20:20.160 Donald Trump carried it. Miami-Dade County, massive swing to him in 2020. He still lost it by three points.

01:20:27.560 He carried it by 11 points. These are Hispanic places. Wow. So what what what do you think will 1.00

01:20:34.780 happen now? If you're seeing what you're seeing, you've explained it, and it's 10, 20 p.m. Eastern.

01:20:39.660 What do you think is going to happen over the next two, three hours?

01:20:45.100 Well, a couple of things. First of all, Arizona.

01:20:50.080 Is is looking increasingly Republican as the early vote drops, the seltzer poll is clearly not correct

01:20:56.260 in Iowa. What I think is going to happen is the Election Day vote is going to slowly,

01:21:02.360 slowly move up for Donald Trump. You take a look, half of the expected vote in pencil in Philadelphia

01:21:09.140 is already in. The Democrats said she needed to get like four hundred and seventy thousand vote margin 1.00

01:21:15.560 out of it. If you double her margin right now, she won't even be at four hundred thousand.

01:21:20.060 Um, I'm not saying it's over by any stretch of the imagination, but just the data all suggests that

01:21:28.620 things are looking very good for Trump for at least one of the paths that he has. If he holds I've I

01:21:35.880 called it for Georgia a while ago. Um, I think North Carolina is almost certainly Republican. He holds

01:21:42.900 those two states. He only needs one of the three Midwestern states. He only needs one.

01:21:51.220 Um, and which one do you think is looking the most likely likely that Wisconsin, Wisconsin,

01:21:57.680 by the way, to your point, uh, you know, uh, NBC news projecting Donald Trump wins Iowa. So you are

01:22:04.980 absolutely right about the seltzer poll, not holding up. She had Kamala Harris winning Iowa by three points, 1.00

01:22:11.080 Henry. Yeah. Well, look, like I said, when we talked this morning and I, people have been asking

01:22:16.860 me about the seltzer poll for the last 48 hours, every great pollster has a stinker. No one denies

01:22:23.820 that Ann Seltzer is the best pollster in Iowa. Um, but every great pollster has a stinker. She threw 1.00

01:22:30.220 one up and it's not her fault. It's the sample. Uh, but, uh, you just have to not just go with the

01:22:37.080 polls. You have to understand what politics is about and voting patterns and so forth.

01:22:41.080 Uh, uh, and that's why I said to you and said to everybody, it is one of those one out of 20

01:22:46.620 polls that is just wrong and it's wrong. And I was going to go, uh, for, uh, for Donald Trump

01:22:52.760 pretty, pretty strongly. One of the problems with the blue wall states is they apparently

01:22:57.640 take a very long time to count. Now I've heard, uh, the Michigan secretary of state say, Oh,

01:23:02.280 we, we sped it up. We're going to do better this time than we did last time, given the amount

01:23:07.100 of mailing vote that we had the last time when we've shorn up our, our positions on how to do

01:23:10.980 it. But is there any chance it's going to be too slow in Wisconsin, in Michigan, in Pennsylvania

01:23:17.280 to have a call in the next five hours? Uh, let's see. So it's 10 22 Eastern time. I'd say six.

01:23:28.380 Okay. Six, six hours because, uh, you know, look, we're talking about half the votes are in, in

01:23:33.280 Milwaukee. Um, and those are almost certainly not election day votes cause they all got dropped

01:23:39.320 very early. Uh, we're talking about two thirds of the, or three quarters of the vote in, in

01:23:44.220 Dane County. Um, it's just the, the rural areas that haven't reported yet all of their votes

01:23:52.180 count more quickly cause it's election day votes. That's precinct votes. Um, I think Wisconsin

01:23:57.240 will have the bulk of its votes in, in four to five hours and we'll be able to call the state

01:24:02.440 unless something that I don't expect happens, which is that the last quarter of the vote in

01:24:09.440 Dane and the last 30% of the vote in Milwaukee are significantly more Democrat than what we've

01:24:14.880 seen so far. If the current trends play out, Donald Trump will win Wisconsin, not a call,

01:24:19.740 just a direction. Henry, we're coming back to you. Please raise your hand as you get more data and have

01:24:26.500 some more thoughts on it. So helpful. Thank you. Stand by joining me now, Victor Davis Hanson,

01:24:31.340 senior fellow at the Hoover Institution. He's also the author of the end of everything.

01:24:36.940 Victor, great to see you. Wow. What a night. We're trying not to get ahead of our skis,

01:24:41.040 but you heard Henry very bullish, very sober, serious pollster respected and has a great record

01:24:46.720 saying he believes this race is Donald Trump's. Yeah, I can see why he says that. I mean, 0.93

01:24:53.780 if you take a state like Pennsylvania, we've been hearing Megan, you and I have talked about it, 0.84

01:24:58.200 that the Jewish vote was going to be problematic, that black males were going to be problematic, 0.98

01:25:04.020 getting the percentages they needed in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. We were told that there was 600,000

01:25:12.540 more Republican voters. We were told the Amish were going to come out. They were all not in themselves 0.99

01:25:18.860 important, but in aggregate, they were almost a perfect storm. So when we started seeing these polls,

01:25:24.660 especially the last three weeks, three days that everything had tightened up and she had the

01:25:30.040 momentum, a lot of us thought that that was sort of a false effort to increase exposure for

01:25:38.400 fundraising, get people out to vote, but it didn't reflect what had been going on for a long time.

01:25:44.020 But everybody, I think, especially the last 48 hours on the Trump side was kind of shell-shocked.

01:25:49.940 I thought, oh my God, it's going to happen again. I'm going to go to bed at 10. He's going to be

01:25:54.100 ahead. I'm going to wake up. It's over with. They've got the Cheney story. They've got the fake

01:25:59.000 news shooting story. And that was all ginned up, I think. I don't think there was any support for it.

01:26:05.980 And, you know, you and I have talked, I live in this community that's 95% Hispanic. I have not met a

01:26:12.960 Mexican-American male over the age of 40 who was not going to vote for Donald Trump. I've never seen

01:26:19.040 anything like it. It didn't happen in 2016. It didn't happen in 2020. It didn't happen in 2022.

01:26:26.260 And it's mostly driven by the border and inflation. And the other thing I'd say, Megan,

01:26:31.820 very quickly is I, you know, I work on the Stanford campus. If this trend holds true,

01:26:40.040 these people are going to have a complete mental breakdown. They really are. I mean, 0.79

01:26:44.400 they have been convinced that Kamala Harris is winning, that the New York Times poll or the

01:26:49.700 Washington Post was absolutely accurate, that inside Intel and Trafalgar and Rasmussen were just

01:26:56.700 crazy. It was a sure thing. And Trump was RIP. Rest in peace. And I don't think they'll

01:27:04.280 psychologically, I don't, I don't think we're going to, we have no idea about the mental confusion

01:27:09.300 that Trump should win because they were convinced that he was in the last 48 hours had lost his

01:27:15.540 momentum and she was a shoe in. I really, I've heard that from 20, 30 people today on campus.

01:27:21.840 Well, here, here's the other thing to your point. They, if Trump pulls this off,

01:27:28.040 the meltdown will be, yes, he's evil and he's been reelected and they're going to have to deal

01:27:32.780 with all of that. But it's also the loss of their power and control. They will have to come

01:27:39.480 to grips with like the, the 2016 thing was a fluke. They didn't take him seriously. He shocked

01:27:45.000 the world. That's one thing. But they, this time they pulled out all the stops from the law fair to

01:27:52.260 the nonstop actual media reporting that he's Hitler. I mean, there's not another stop to pull.

01:27:59.620 And if he manages to do it anyway, Victor, there is one, there is one, Megan, they've been talking,

01:28:06.420 as you know, about Jack Smith sentencing coming up. Not that that would affect his ability,

01:28:11.200 but they really do. I think they really do believe that if they lose this election, they will,

01:28:15.400 they will think that Jack Smith will put him in jail. And that will be, you mean, you mean not

01:28:19.820 Jack Smith. You mean the, the, the Alvin Bragg DA in New York? Yes. Alvin Bragg, but also Jack

01:28:25.580 Smith later on. Yeah. Jack Smith still got an open prosecution against him and he's a

01:28:29.600 appealing the one that got thrown out. So he's got two avenues against Trump still potentially

01:28:32.700 viable. I think you've mentioned that too. Alvin Bragg could put him in jail this month.

01:28:38.880 Mm-hmm. I mean, I don't think that they will be able to do that. I, oh, hold on one second.

01:28:43.760 Let's see. This is Pennsylvania. Hold on. We don't actually have a projection, but it's the New York

01:28:49.780 Times reporting. Pennsylvania right now, Trump plus three with 56% reporting. Uh, in Lackawanna,

01:28:58.360 it's Harris plus three. That's one of the counties. Um, that's where Scranton is with 95% reporting.

01:29:05.880 Wait a minute. What did, what did Biden get? Biden, Biden won Lackawanna plus eight,

01:29:12.440 eight and a half in 2020. She's at plus three right now in Biden's home County where Scranton

01:29:19.560 is Lackawanna. Again, it's only 56% reporting that could change, but she is just, you know,

01:29:24.400 what's happening now, Victor amazingly is where we may be starting to realize they were better off

01:29:30.760 with Biden. Biden. Yeah. I, I, we had a, I think I was on Jesse waters and we talked about that.

01:29:38.560 I don't know if they were better off, but, uh, they were better able to hide Biden because

01:29:43.700 everybody had baked into his presidency that he was cognitively challenged. So when he didn't appear,

01:29:49.600 they just said, well, he, the Obamas are running it or something, but he, he didn't get out. I mean,

01:29:56.140 they didn't let him out. And she, when she, she was in a doom loop because the longer she evaded the

01:30:01.920 media, the more pressure that was put upon her. And then when she came out every single interview,

01:30:07.520 she lost 24 hours of, uh, just support. Everybody just could not believe it. And, uh, it's, you know,

01:30:16.160 I think there's been cognitive distance. I really want to reiterate that in Michigan, we were told the

01:30:21.660 EV mandate was really turning off auto workers. We were tolling that the black vote in Detroit was

01:30:28.040 not there. We were tolling even the Muslim vote was starting to peel off from levels that Biden had.

01:30:34.540 And when you have these types of indicators in Pennsylvania and you have them, whether it's

01:30:39.700 registration or surprising, um, early and mail-in ballot, and then you look at these polls and they're

01:30:46.160 static. And I, I, I'd always say to myself, Megan, how can New Mexico be moving in Trump's direction,

01:30:52.540 but next door, Arizona is static. How can Minnesota be moving? And not that he's going to win it,

01:30:58.720 but it was moving in his direction. But the polls say Wisconsin is static. How could North Carolina be

01:31:04.520 static while Virginia was moving? And I just think that they, I, I'm not saying that they were dishonest,

01:31:10.820 but I do think that these polls had other purposes other than revealing what the actual, uh, estimations

01:31:17.340 of the, the ballot would be. And, uh, and there were too many indicators that things were not going

01:31:23.560 well for her across the board for the type of melody. Yeah. Do you, do you think it was an inability

01:31:31.260 to see good news for Trump? I mean, look, it, was it any accident that Larry Sabato's crystal ball

01:31:37.520 had among the worst projections for Trump best for Kamala. I don't know, Ann Seltzer in Iowa,

01:31:44.200 but she, she really got this one wrong. She, I think she tried to change the race with that poll 1.00

01:31:49.960 at the last minute, trying to inject some, and I don't know whether it was conscious or subconscious

01:31:55.320 to try to save and, and all this, all these older women are so obsessed with abortion and they're 1.00

01:32:00.500 running to the polls. Well, it didn't happen. He just won. Iowa was one of the first states called.

01:32:04.420 I think it's like, why would Lorne Michaels ruin his reputation after 40 years of obeying basically

01:32:12.480 protocols that you don't overtly endorse a candidate or put one particular candidate out right before

01:32:18.700 the election. And it's analogous to the pollsters. I think they felt that the ends were so important

01:32:25.340 that you had this noble, better, superior candidate, and you had this awful Trump. And if you were going

01:32:31.900 to risk your reputation just a little bit, it would be worth it because you could create momentum or

01:32:38.540 you could get a late surge in, and donations, or you could get more exposure or you could get

01:32:43.960 greater turnout. And they, and I do think that, I don't know whether it's overtly conscious or

01:32:49.980 subconscious, but I do think there was an intent behind it and it was not empirical because there

01:32:55.760 was too many indicators, Megan. The New York Times, not calling anything, but now moving Georgia from

01:33:03.600 toss-up. First, they moved it to lean Trump. And now they just moved Georgia to very likely Trump.

01:33:10.780 And they just moved Michigan to lean Trump. Michigan. And we were not, you heard Henry was saying

01:33:18.360 Wisconsin looks like it's Trump's at this point. He didn't call it, but he's saying Wisconsin is very

01:33:24.200 strong for Trump. This is Michigan and also North Carolina, likely Trump.

01:33:29.660 Yeah. You know, I go there every year and I would teach at Hillsdale for two or three weeks. And

01:33:35.020 I could tell there was something different in the news coverage. Trump didn't have as many

01:33:40.660 commercials, but they were far better. And you would, when you were reading about the Michigan

01:33:46.700 demography, you look at those three, that triad of special interest voters, the United Auto Workers,

01:33:53.040 the Dearborn Muslim vote and the Detroit and maybe Ann Arbor or Lansing or Grand Rapids African-American

01:34:02.360 vote. And all three of those indicators were not there in the way they had been for Biden.

01:34:07.620 And yet every, you would see these polls again and again, giving Biden two, three, 4%. I just think,

01:34:15.840 I don't think that was possible. I think they knew that was impossible. And I think they're really

01:34:20.140 going to take a hit, Megan. They're back to, their reputation is kind of improved after the 2022

01:34:25.300 midterm, but I think they're going to go back to the status they had in 2016 and even worse in 2020.

01:34:32.660 You know, I have to wonder, I have to wonder having just left Pittsburgh last night where,

01:34:38.220 you know, we had all these guys with the hard hats, you know, men who work with their hands,

01:34:43.100 cheering on their feet all night long for Donald Trump. That looks a lot like Michigan. That's

01:34:50.240 Michigan's full of guys like that. Auto workers, as you point out, suffering from these EV mandates

01:34:55.920 that Biden-Harris crammed down our throats. They want to eliminate these guys' industry. And I do

01:35:02.380 wonder whether, you know, just this ongoing problem with the Democrats, their messaging around what a

01:35:09.100 real man is, what a real job is. What do we drive? What do we cook with? What will the government tell 0.60

01:35:16.500 us? Or will men and women, for that matter, be able to make up their own minds and live peacefully

01:35:22.360 without the government trying to micromanage us? I just wonder how much that strain of the election

01:35:29.320 argument is driving these Michiganders and others in the Midwest to say no.

01:35:34.760 I think it is. I noticed that the gender gap that she was, in the case of males, actually went up 0.98

01:35:42.420 the more that Emhoff and Waltz started talking about the new empathetic male, the new masculinity,

01:35:50.060 those white dudes for Harris, those crazy actors that were in those commercials. Nobody's ever seen

01:35:55.720 a person act like that in the real world. And this idea that then the stories come out that,

01:36:01.180 you know, Waltz is kind of temperamental and Emhoff slapped his girlfriend or he got his nanny.

01:36:07.540 That was a whole disaster on their part. This idea that they were going to

01:36:11.800 create an image of a new masculine male who was feminine almost. And I think it really turned a

01:36:18.700 lot of independent men off. I really do. And especially in terms of foreign policy. I think 0.90

01:36:25.500 that, I think a lot of women and men both were very worried that after listening to Kamala Harris,

01:36:32.560 especially when she talks out of both sides of her mouth to different audiences and

01:36:37.000 how she was going to deal with Ukraine when Putin is now threatening to use tactical nuclear weapons or

01:36:44.400 putting incendiary devices allegedly on planes. And we're looking at something's going to happen with

01:36:49.780 Iran very soon. And the idea that she would be the commander and chief just terrifies people,

01:36:56.420 I think. And that came across. We'll see how, we'll see how the night goes.

01:37:01.500 Exactly. I'm going to stand you by one piece of good news for Kamala. The New York Times just

01:37:05.420 moved Michigan back into toss up. So Michigan goes to lean Trump right back to toss up moments later.

01:37:12.620 So they're not feeling as confident now that it may be getting redder as more and more raw vote

01:37:17.080 comes in and they get it tallied up. Stand by, Victor. We're going to come back to you. Great to

01:37:21.700 have you tonight. I love hearing from you. Back with me now here on set is Maureen Callahan. And also

01:37:26.340 joining our discussion is Amala Epanobi, host of the Amala Epanobi podcast, and Link Lauren, a former

01:37:32.640 senior advisor to RFKJ's presidential campaign. Thanks to you, Amala and Link, for joining the

01:37:38.880 conversation. Link, let me start with you, since you actually worked for RFKJ for a while, Bobby, as he's

01:37:44.180 known, your reaction to the returns we're seeing so far tonight. Well, I just heard that Xanax and

01:37:51.380 boxed wine are being delivered to the MSNBC studios. They are melting down. I'm happy to be back.

01:37:58.480 Maureen, we got to get some of that here just for fun. I'm coming in with a drink next time. I'm not

01:38:03.560 kidding. Why should they have all the fun? Go ahead, Link. I also have to say, you look stunning last

01:38:10.160 night in every sense of the word. I know you don't like people kissing your feet, but I have to say,

01:38:14.080 I'm so happy you were at the rally. We needed some women surrogates on stage for Trump. Where had they

01:38:19.780 been the last few months? So as for RFKJ, as for Bobby, I heard he is down at Mar-a-Lago hanging out

01:38:25.500 with Elon Musk, Caitlyn Jenner, Dana White, Donald Trump. That lineup is every woke liberal's worst

01:38:33.260 nightmare. Tucker Carlson, if you have purple hair and you went to Oberlin, you don't want to walk

01:38:41.040 into that room. But I think tonight, really, my jaw has been on the floor tonight with these Kamala 1.00

01:38:47.960 Harris returns because this is a referendum on the swamp, on the political Washington permanent

01:38:53.520 state. They have spent the last month saying Donald Trump is a fascist. He's Hitler. If you support him, 0.95

01:38:59.280 you're a Nazi. Everybody who supports him is garbage. And guess what? It's still a competitive 1.00

01:39:04.000 race. Kamala is not sweeping in a landslide, which tells us you can't make a soap purse out of a sow's 1.00

01:39:10.020 ear with Kamala Harris. She is a very flawed candidate. And this is the death of the legacy 0.99

01:39:14.880 media we're seeing right now. And we spoke about that all the time on the Kennedy campaign because

01:39:19.200 we could barely get booked in the mainstream media. Oh, my gosh. The New York Times is having a

01:39:24.380 schizophrenic moment. They just moved Michigan back to the lean Trump category. They can't make up

01:39:29.600 their minds about Michigan. Nobody knows. But I mean, Michigan is not even supposed to be his

01:39:34.340 strongest of the three states. They just moved the Wisconsin to lean Trump as well. That doesn't

01:39:40.100 mean they're calling it for him. But now we've got that where they are at 2 a.m. last night with him.

01:39:44.480 But yeah, that's true. That's right. Grand Rapids, Michigan is where he where he completed his

01:39:49.020 campaign. That was his last rally. So now we've got two out of the three blue wall states leaning

01:39:54.260 Trump. Oh, my God. I mean, I don't want to say like, but it's starting to feel like it's going

01:39:59.400 to happen. And to Link's point about the hysterics on the left and in particular at MSNBC, let's just

01:40:05.640 take a little look, see into what's happening at MSNBC and how they're taking the news. Watch.

01:40:12.540 You just think about just the last two weeks and the things that Donald Trump has said

01:40:16.960 into into the TV that people could hear him say and do the vulgarity in front of families with

01:40:24.460 young children and the threats to do mass deportation and a violent start, violent start to

01:40:30.800 his dictatorship on day one. And you name it. If all of that gets you half of the votes, 48,

01:40:37.560 49 percent. What does it tell you? I mean, we need to really take a step back and think about

01:40:41.860 what does that say about us? I think. What does that say about us?

01:40:48.120 Yeah, that's really the question she should be asking herself in regard to the whole Democratic

01:40:52.720 Party. What does this say about us that people are showing up for Trump in this way?

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