The Megyn Kelly Show - Garland's Tears on 60 Minutes, Trump Back in Court, and the War on Men, with Dave Rubin and Owen Strachan

00:00:00.580 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:11.760 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. I hope you had a great weekend.

00:00:16.440 It is October and the Iowa caucus just three months away. Former President Donald Trump,

00:00:22.600 who is back in court in New York City, we've got to get to this. And yet another legal battle today

00:00:28.460 is way out in front in the latest polls. I mean, it's just growing. His lead is growing.

00:00:33.900 It's growing a lot, not just like an intro, but like a point, a lot, according to a post-GOP debate

00:00:40.120 poll. Meanwhile, Merrick Garland is out there spinning again, like crying and spinning. Okay.

00:00:47.620 This time on 60 Minutes over the weekend. Dave Rubin's going to join us in a minute,

00:00:52.040 but I want to begin with what's happening in this New York City courtroom. All right. So this is one

00:00:55.540 of the legal cases we haven't really been paying that much attention to because, well, frankly,

00:00:59.120 there's just so many cases and so little time. This one's civil. It doesn't have the prospect of

00:01:05.340 putting Trump in jail, though what it originally did. This originally was the case that was looked

00:01:10.740 at by the Manhattan DA as a potential option to bring against Trump criminally. And even the Manhattan

00:01:17.200 DA, the guy who's charging him on this Trumped up, you didn't document your hush money payment to the

00:01:22.200 porn star properly on your books case. Even that guy thought this one's not worth bringing.

00:01:28.620 Two of the prosecutors resigned from the DA's office saying that's BS. You should have brought

00:01:33.200 it. But Alvin Bragg didn't see much there. And so what happened, Letitia James swooped in and

00:01:39.060 she's the AG, very, very political Democrat. She's definitely going to be running for governor

00:01:45.640 at some point very soon. She's the one who took down Andrew Cuomo. And she swooped in and said,

00:01:50.740 I'll do it. I'll bring it as a civil matter against Trump. And I have to tell you, in speaking with

00:01:55.560 Trump world insiders, I think they've been more worried about this case than the criminal cases.

00:02:02.320 I think they think that they can beat the criminal cases on on the law, if not with the juries,

00:02:07.100 with judges. And I don't know that they're wrong about that either. But this is insane. This this case

00:02:13.040 is shutting down Trump's business enterprise. I mean, he's not going to be, you know, with the

00:02:19.140 bankruptcy tin cup like we had in the 1990s where I remember walking around here where they had like

00:02:24.080 little tin cups out where you'd get your coffee at the kiosk and there were little tin cups saying

00:02:28.100 donate to help Trump, which was a joke. He was still very rich, but he had to file bankruptcy

00:02:33.160 in any event. But there the judge in this case, this far left lunatic already essentially ruled in

00:02:41.140 favor of Tish James, the AG on Trump's alleged business fraud. I'm going to try to summarize this

00:02:47.900 best I can. I don't totally understand it myself, to be perfectly honest. But they're basically

00:02:51.920 saying that Trump, when he was applying for bank loans, overstated the value of his assets

00:02:56.740 and that absolutely nobody got hurt. He paid all the loans back. The banks are not complaining.

00:03:02.960 But this on paper is a crime. This on paper is a is a legal violation, not a crime.

00:03:08.340 And therefore, he needs to have his businesses put into receivership. They've got they've got somebody

00:03:14.220 like now appointed to run the businesses other than Trump or his kids who are running the businesses

00:03:20.400 and the entire ability of the Trump organization to do business in the state of New York looks like

00:03:26.680 it's about to be taken away. I mean, multiple properties, multiple corporations, because Tish

00:03:33.160 James thinks he didn't keep the right paperwork. So Trump actually showed up at this this morning.

00:03:39.900 He goes into court. I'm just going to show you what happened. My old pal Hammer was on the news

00:03:46.220 at Fox when they didn't expect to get a video feed inside the New York State Supreme, but they did get

00:03:54.120 a video feed. And Trump is sitting there at defense counsel table over at the at the plaintiff's table,

00:04:02.420 which again, it's a civil case, is somebody from the AG's office. And AG Letitia James is sitting

00:04:07.680 right behind that table glaring at Trump. And when you watch this video, you will see

00:04:13.280 the best, which is this crazy ass left wing drunk, a drunk judge. He may be drunk, too. I don't think

00:04:22.080 so. Arthur Engeron, who has enjoyed his moment in the sun this morning in full Lance Edo style. Look at

00:04:33.080 this clip. There's a camera in that courtroom. Was that supposed to be or would they just be simply

00:04:40.520 ushered out when we're gaveled to order? Well, you're more likely to have cameras in state

00:04:48.320 proceedings. And so it's up to the discretion of the judge. And quite frankly, I'm not too sure that

00:04:55.440 both parties would want this. I think that Trump views this, the optics of this is working to his

00:05:02.860 advantage. Look, people looking at this live picture right now will be either filled with rage

00:05:08.940 or they will be thrilled. And that's the problem is that, you know, you have James now being shown

00:05:15.980 in the background. You've got Trump in the foreground and it fulfills the narrative on both sides.

00:05:21.600 It's it's amazing to see how much this judge is smiling for the cameras and really enjoying

00:05:28.520 being on screen and sticking it to Donald Trump against whom he issued an order of summary judgment

00:05:36.020 on most of the case last week. And the remainder begins today in a trial that said it could go through

00:05:41.960 Christmas. Joining me now, my pal Dave Rubin, host of the Rubin Report. Dave, this is unbelievable.

00:05:48.080 Like, I know people don't like Trump. I get it. But let me put let me read to you the way Andy

00:05:53.800 McCarthy describes the legal standard in this case. The law does not require a showing of any harm

00:05:59.800 to anyone. This is that's my adding. The state need not prove that the defendant ever intended to

00:06:06.020 defraud anyone, much less actually defrauded someone. It need not be established that any

00:06:11.100 creditor or financial institution even relied on the defendant's misrepresentations,

00:06:15.900 that those misrepresentations were material or that anyone was actually fooled by them.

00:06:21.420 The state just has to show that a defendant made false claims with enough with enough persistence

00:06:25.800 and repetition that at least two persons were, quote, affected, which, whatever it means,

00:06:32.300 is not a synonym for harmed. Based on that, they have gone in there and they are basically taking over

00:06:40.820 Donald Trump's businesses. Dave Rubin, Jonathan Turley, the voice you heard commenting on that

00:06:47.420 Fox clip, isn't wrong. People are very likely to feel enraged by this or I guess the other half will

00:06:54.660 just be thrilled. It's a more of a pile on as they destroy this man's life. Yeah, there's just so much

00:07:00.340 nonsense here. And Megan, I love how you perhaps mistakenly said that the judge was drunk. I mean,

00:07:05.100 he might be drunk and now it's out in the ether. So we shall find out. But the way the guy was smiling

00:07:10.640 at the cameras and everything else. By the way, this idea that Trump overstated the value of some

00:07:16.380 of his properties. Megan, you're a homeowner. I'm a homeowner. Many people watching this are

00:07:20.820 homeowners. You get someone known as an appraiser to come in. An appraiser tells you the value of

00:07:25.240 the house. They look around, they look at the property, they look at the neighbors, they see what

00:07:29.260 upgrades you've done. And this goes on, not just obviously in a personal purchase of a home,

00:07:33.680 but also in commercial properties and everything else. Now, I suppose it's possible that Trump

00:07:38.560 was talking to the appraiser and was like, but my name's on it. It's worth this much more or anything

00:07:42.840 else. But the idea that they've just inflated the prices of all of these things is crazy. And by the

00:07:47.700 way, Mar-a-Lago, Megan, you've, oh, you've been to Mar-a-Lago. Of course you have. The idea that they

00:07:52.940 were appraising this thing at 18 million bucks is absolutely insane. Look, it's a little rundown. It's not

00:08:00.000 what it used to be, but that the value of that land alone in Florida. And I know that's not

00:08:05.140 directly related to what's going on here today, but just sort of broadly what they're doing to this

00:08:09.900 guy, that it's worth 18 million bucks. It's easily worth $80 million. And I'm not an appraiser, but

00:08:16.160 you can trust me on that one. So they're going after him on every front. And to your point,

00:08:21.800 I think that if the cameras, even if it's just a little handheld camera, iPhone, whatever,

00:08:25.920 anything that's in there basically helps Trump because more than anything else, Trump wants the

00:08:31.280 attention on him. He wants to show the hypocrisy of these people. He wants to show that the judge

00:08:37.240 is kind of in on it with the prosecutor and that ultimately it will, it will pin him as the victim,

00:08:43.880 no matter what, there is not one Trump supporter, MAGA base guy, anything else. And you know,

00:08:49.360 I've been pretty critical of Trump, but there is not one person who will turn from Trump because of

00:08:54.340 this. It might make a certain set of people a little more angry at him, but they're always

00:08:58.280 angry at him. So what's the difference? I feel like the biggest risk here is just yet another

00:09:03.160 impediment to good people running for office. If this is the shit you have to, it's, it's one,

00:09:08.100 I mean, look for me, I'd be more worried about the criminal stuff. I don't want to go to jail.

00:09:12.900 I don't want to be separated from my family. Trump doesn't seem that worried about the criminal

00:09:17.560 stuff. I have to say, even having sat with him, he just didn't seem that worried about it. I'm sure

00:09:21.040 he's, he, he, he doesn't like to think about anything negative. So I'm sure he's just not

00:09:25.940 even like a letting himself go there, but he definitely cares about his business and his plane

00:09:30.560 and his money. And again, just reading to you about what this judge has already done from the

00:09:37.860 Andy McCarthy piece on national review. He, he writes in the 30, 35 page diatribe he issued last

00:09:45.040 week when he granted summer judgment against Trump, he not only found Trump liable on the main cause of

00:09:49.860 action for good measure. He fined Trump's lawyers, $7,500 a piece ostensibly writes Andy for making

00:09:56.840 frivolous arguments, mainly for declining to pretend that this judge and Garand's hackdom is actually

00:10:02.540 legal acumen. I mean, for Andy, that is like, he never gets that mean. So he clearly doesn't like

00:10:08.260 this judge or what's happening. And then he goes on quote, most significantly, the good judge imposed

00:10:13.740 the corporate death penalty, putting Trump, his adult sons and the Trump organization out of

00:10:19.080 business, taking away their state issued business licenses, calling for the appointment of

00:10:23.960 receivers to oversee the dissolution of Trump's business entities and continuing to subject him

00:10:29.800 to monitors. And now after all that, the trial begins trial for what what's left. Well, in addition

00:10:37.760 to this one claim, writes Andy, James also brought six causes of action in which civil fraud claims are

00:10:43.120 based on alleged violations of criminal laws. That is, this is basically the criminal case that

00:10:47.660 prosecutors assess that was not strong enough to bring, but a civil case based on the violation of

00:10:52.180 those civil laws. James has the benefit of a civil burden of proof, which is just preponderance of

00:10:56.860 the evidence. That's 51% more likely than not. And anger on the judge rather than a jury as the finder of

00:11:02.480 fact. So I, I mean, the fix is in, he's going to have to sit there for this. You can see he's very

00:11:08.960 angry. Here was Trump before he went into the courtroom this morning, explaining why for this one,

00:11:14.640 he has decided at least for week one to show up and go into court.

00:11:18.840 If I weren't leading in all the polls or if I weren't running, I wouldn't have any of these cases.

00:11:26.140 I wouldn't be seeing you this morning, but I'll be seeing a lot of you because this is a horrible

00:11:32.280 thing that's happening to our country and we've got to get it straightened away. So we'll go in and

00:11:37.420 see our rogue judge and we'll listen to this man. And I think most people get it. People are getting

00:11:44.120 it. I can tell you the voters getting it because every time they give me a fake indictment, I go

00:11:49.520 up in the polls. He's not wrong about that. Can we just take one more look at the judge?

00:11:55.120 Look at him in his moment of fame, Dave. I mean, this is exactly what you don't want

00:11:58.820 when you go into court, especially when you're the defense. Look at him. He sees the camera comes

00:12:03.660 on him. Look at him. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, it's like a prompt. Oh, no. Look at me. Look at me.

00:12:10.320 You know, Megan, look at me. You know, I have been very, very critical of Trump lately.

00:12:16.900 You know, I've talked about many times, you know, some of the times that I think you got him in that

00:12:21.600 interview. And by the way, I said it on my show a million times. It's worth saying to your face.

00:12:24.820 You did an absolutely great job. It's a tough interview to get and it's a really tough interview

00:12:29.820 to do. And you just did an absolutely incredible job with that thing. But as critical as I have been

00:12:34.860 with Trump, Trump is at his best when he is when he is exposing lies. And that's exactly what he is

00:12:42.040 doing here. He is completely right. Nobody would be going after his business right now and his various

00:12:47.840 businesses, actually, if he wasn't running for president. That is completely true. My criticisms of

00:12:53.480 him have been when he is using lies rather than exposing them. And I and I think he's done that quite

00:12:59.080 extensively, especially with DeSantis and Florida. But when the system comes after him because it is

00:13:04.920 afraid of him, I have no problem whatsoever defending him to the tilt because he's right. What or actually

00:13:11.600 what you just said is right. What ultimately what will happen over time is that good people will just

00:13:16.560 never get involved in politics anymore. And it's not just politics, Megan. Good people will not do what we do

00:13:22.780 for a living because they will look at us. Good people will not step up and go to school board meetings

00:13:27.800 because they will scare the hell out of you. And that really is what I would say the

00:13:31.700 meta fight is at the moment. The specifics of whether he defrauded somebody on an appraisal of

00:13:37.220 a property or some of the other things you just read out there are largely irrelevant. And again,

00:13:42.040 most people have made up their minds about Trump. So it's interesting that he's saying, hey,

00:13:46.580 I'll be here for this one at least a little bit because he knows he can use that as energy for the

00:13:52.540 campaign. It's very disheartening. I mean, it's like,

00:13:57.800 you're absolutely it's one thing. I mean, I actually actually see that the takedown of Andrew

00:14:02.000 Cuomo very differently than this. Andrew Cuomo was directly responsible for the death of thousands

00:14:07.180 of elderly citizens in the New York state nursing homes. He ordered that the homes take them

00:14:12.180 irrespective of their COVID status. This was the most vulnerable population. He knew it. He'd been

00:14:17.440 warned against it. He did it anyway. Then he lied about it. He should have been thrown out of office

00:14:22.220 for that wound up being the women coming forward because we were still in a,

00:14:25.500 at least a Me Too hangover. At least the left wing is. And so he had to go, you know,

00:14:30.600 live by the sword, but die by the sword. And they took him down. I was fine with that. Fine with it.

00:14:35.340 However, so that's what Tish James ultimately went after him on the Me Too stuff. And she had

00:14:40.380 raised some questions about the nursing homes too. This is very different. This is, it's just a

00:14:45.800 political assassination of a man's business. They're trying to stop Trump from being able to make a

00:14:51.660 living. His sons from being able to make a living in the entire state of New York. That's where he's

00:14:57.740 based. That's where Trump tower is. That's he's got a Westchester property. He's got, he's got hotels.

00:15:02.720 He's got, you know, you could go up and down the list. So, I mean, this is very scary for any

00:15:06.720 businessman. And you think of like, I don't, there's a lot of Republicans who are in office

00:15:10.820 right now who are businessmen, you know, like DeSantis, who I know you like, he's one of the few who

00:15:15.040 has just been a public servant for most of his life. But look at over Glenn Youngkin,

00:15:19.080 who may or may not be getting into this race, he's made a fortune in private industry. So what

00:15:23.960 it does, everybody who's got Glenn Youngkin's resume now have to think about,

00:15:28.280 you know, the Tish James's of the world coming after them and ruining their financial

00:15:33.380 capabilities if they run for office. Well, there's also a sort of deeper layer to that,

00:15:39.320 which is on one hand, people love Trump because they feel like he can't be bought and sold. Right.

00:15:43.480 So there's something really kind of dangerous there in that, well, one day, should we only

00:15:47.500 have politicians who are super, super rich? Should only the elites be the ones who can

00:15:52.600 actually govern us? There's something dangerous with that. But even if you took a guy like DeSantis,

00:15:56.920 who you're right, he's been really only in public service for the last, let's say, 10 years of his

00:16:01.820 life. He's only worth, I think he's got about $300,000. Now that might sound a lot to the average

00:16:06.700 American, but in politics and certainly in, you know, the level of fame that he's attained now is

00:16:11.940 almost nothing. But it's not just that they can come- Not for a Harvard law grad. He could be

00:16:15.620 making $3 million a year easily. No, exactly. He could be making $6 or $7 million a year.

00:16:21.420 Precisely. But the question is, if you go after his reputation enough now when he's in office,

00:16:27.280 maybe he won't get that job. Or maybe some law firm will be like, well, we better stay away from him

00:16:32.260 because we know the way the Department of Justice or whatever goes after these guys.

00:16:38.280 So it's a signal to everybody how the system reacts to people who push against the system.

00:16:44.120 So again, I have just no problem. I'm proud to defend Trump on something like this. And also

00:16:49.360 the short-sightedness of these people. If the goal with all these indictments is really to make sure

00:16:55.020 that Trump can't run or won't run or whatever, well then at the very least, you'd let the guy have

00:16:59.440 his businesses to go back to, right? So you can't basically say, we're going to try to put you in

00:17:04.220 jail to basically stop you from running, but also we're going to take away your businesses.

00:17:08.900 What, are you going to never let him golf? Like, you got to give the guy something.

00:17:12.960 Well, he's got Jared to fall back on. Because Jared went and cut a deal with the Saudis.

00:17:17.340 Maybe he's trying to give him a job, yeah.

00:17:19.280 Jared's reportedly getting, I think, $20 to $25 million a year just in fees from the Saudi

00:17:24.020 hedge fund deal. So he can lean on Jared if he needs to.

00:17:27.840 Um, here's speaking of the, you know, imbalance in our justice system right now and just the

00:17:33.620 craziness of it. Merrick Garland went on 60 minutes last night. I don't know if anybody's

00:17:38.720 really still watching 60 minutes. All my old, all my, like my friends are like, they watch it

00:17:43.360 because we're older, but like, I don't think anybody in their twenties or thirties is watching

00:17:47.380 60 anymore. Anyway, Merrick Garland did go on. And I mean, the sanctimonious performance that

00:17:55.120 happened on that show, Dave Rubin. It was like, he said, first of all, he said that if

00:18:00.400 Joe Biden interferes in, in the Jack Smith investigation into Donald Trump, Merrick Garland

00:18:06.100 is going to resign. That's, that's how committed he is to the rule. Let's watch it. Let's watch

00:18:11.700 it for fun. So to the vapors, the vapors Biden asked you to take action with regard to the Trump

00:18:20.360 investigation. What would your reaction be? I am sure that that will not happen. Um, but I would

00:18:26.520 not, uh, do anything, um, in that regard. Um, and if necessary, I would resign, but there is no

00:18:33.560 sense that anything like that will happen. Have you ever had to tell him hands off these

00:18:38.880 investigations, Mr. President? No, because he has never tried to put hands on these investigations.

00:18:44.020 Sweet, isn't it? They're, they're bromance. These guys, they have such morality when it's a pre

00:18:53.820 problem. Unfortunately, when we have real problems or post problems, they seem to have no morality or

00:18:59.160 no ethics or anything else. I mean, it's just, first off, the question itself is a perfect reason why

00:19:03.620 no one in their twenties or thirties would watch 60 minutes. You don't say to the attorney general,

00:19:08.480 basically, would you do anything illegal? Like, or would you, would you allow the president to do

00:19:13.840 anything illegal? Like he's going to be like, yes, actually I would give Biden a little wiggle

00:19:19.120 room to do some illegal. It's so stupid, but, but that's what the mainstream media does with almost

00:19:25.680 everything. And Megan, I want to give you a little shout out here because you know, at the beginning

00:19:29.360 of September, you launched your new studio, which is absolutely beautiful. And on the same day I

00:19:34.020 launched my new studio here and I said on my show, what a, what a beautiful, I didn't know you were

00:19:38.460 launching it until I saw it that day, but I said, what a beautiful moment in the juxtaposition of

00:19:43.580 what's happening with corporate media, absolutely collapsing, firing people, cutting budgets,

00:19:48.580 everything else. And then you got two young upstarts like Megan Kelly and Dave Rubin reinvesting in

00:19:53.820 their companies and all of that stuff. And I think that that 60 minute clip is a perfect version of

00:19:58.700 that because if you sat down with Merrick Garland, you would never ask a question so idiotic like

00:20:04.300 that. And that's why people are tuning into you and tuning out of this stuff. I'm embarrassed for him.

00:20:09.380 I'm embarrassed. I mean, seriously, even sitting with Trump, I realized that if I asked him tough

00:20:12.960 questions, especially on the legal stuff, he might not give me another interview. That's always a risk

00:20:17.720 with Trump, you know, unless you're in more of a, you know, fan position, he doesn't really want to

00:20:22.760 sit with you. But I, I had to do my job right there. That's, that's the job. So I tried to keep it

00:20:27.600 friendly enough, but like with some challenging questions so that I did my job. Scott Pelley didn't

00:20:32.180 get the memo because he asked him as by my count, one, one question about Hunter Biden,

00:20:38.920 the biggest scandal of involving the Biden administration right now, other than Biden's

00:20:43.220 age. And would you listen to the question? This is absolutely pathetic. It's not one.

00:20:50.560 The allegation is Mr. Attorney General, that what is described in some quarters as the Biden Justice

00:21:00.140 Department? Is taking it easy on the president's son? Well, look, um, this investigation began

00:21:07.940 under David Weiss. Uh, David Weiss is a longstanding career prosecutor and he was appointed by Mr.

00:21:15.400 Trump. You are not participating in those decisions? No, Mr. Weiss is making those decisions. The White

00:21:21.640 House is not attempting to influence those decisions? Absolutely not. Oh my God. Same thing.

00:21:28.140 Megan, how many, um, you, you know, more people than I do. You've been in the game a little bit

00:21:32.640 longer. How many, uh, crackheads do you know that got jobs at Ukrainian energy companies? Cause I can

00:21:38.260 only think of one. Do you, do you know any others? Just the one that's coming to mind. Just, just the

00:21:43.420 one that in and of itself, that Hunter Biden, who was an admitted crackhead got a job for, I believe,

00:21:50.700 $80,000 a month to advise Burisma, Ukrainian energy company on anything. He had no expertise in

00:21:58.580 Ukrainian energy or anything else. He got that job because of the access to his dad, who was then

00:22:05.340 vice president. Everyone can look at who did what and when did they do it and everything else. And you

00:22:09.660 can look at why does Joe Biden, why does Joe Biden have assets worth like 20 million bucks or something

00:22:13.680 like that? And all of that stuff, he's a humble civil servant. Fine. But all you would have to look at,

00:22:18.360 if you're looking for any degree of corruption, and now, especially when we have this war or not

00:22:22.860 war in Ukraine is why did his son have this job? And until Joe Biden honestly answers that question

00:22:29.440 or someone in the administration honestly answers that question, cause you know, they're going to

00:22:33.120 keep putting him in front of cameras less and less for, because of some of the mental stuff that's

00:22:37.000 going on that we all see, but they refuse to acknowledge, uh, that really is what this is all

00:22:41.420 about. You give me an answer. If someone answers that airtight and actually, you know what David does turn

00:22:45.820 out, Hunter Biden was an expert in this. You missed the six months of studying he did at an

00:22:50.120 international business school on Ukrainian energy. Then maybe I'll let it go. But until then you don't

00:22:54.820 need much more. I don't need to see all the bank accounts. I don't need to see much more. This is

00:22:59.400 what politics is. You get access to people, uh, through these types of connections. And this is

00:23:04.720 the most blatant version of it. Like it's the sin here is so much more grave than even first meets the

00:23:10.300 eye. It was 60 minutes. And Leslie stall that refused to acknowledge the laptop that refused

00:23:17.140 to report on the laptop. The only reason we know about her embarrassing exchange with Trump on it

00:23:21.400 is because Trump taped the interview himself and then released that segment after the 60 minutes

00:23:26.540 piece on him in which Leslie stall refused to ask about the laptop because quote, it can't be verified.

00:23:32.520 It can't be verified. Well, of course, a year later, her own news organization magically verified it

00:23:39.520 after the 2020 election. So it's the same forum now having access to the sitting attorney general.

00:23:46.160 And you've got a chance to ask about Hunter, to ask about his corruption and what's on the now

00:23:52.440 verified laptop. And what do they come up with? The allegation is, Mr. Attorney General,

00:23:58.580 although what is described in some quarters as the Biden justice department is taking it easy

00:24:03.860 on the president's son. You're not participating in the decisions. The white house is not attempting

00:24:10.900 to influence the decisions. Okay, great. Let's move on. That's an embarrassment.

00:24:16.800 It's so embarrassing because it's like, again, like he'd be like, yes, actually I have been involved

00:24:22.920 a little bit and we have discussed it with Joe. He's telling him what the answer is as if Garland

00:24:28.200 couldn't figure it out in the first place. But this is, you know, I often call this the machine

00:24:32.460 and this, sometimes you can see something, how the machine defends itself so quickly. And you're

00:24:37.520 right that, that video a couple of years ago of Trump with Leslie Stahl, that Trump was wise enough

00:24:42.400 to record is a perfect moment related to all of this because now it's, you just flash forward another

00:24:47.720 four years. We're still in the midst of the lies and 60 minutes is still in the midst of laundering

00:24:53.460 the lies of the administration and covering for guys like Merrick Garland, who, if they were honestly

00:24:58.740 doing their job and I, and I truly mean this in a, in a nonpartisan way, look, I am not for the Biden

00:25:04.760 administration. I think the Democrats have by and large gone completely off the deep end and all of

00:25:09.280 that stuff, but it is just important to have some level of truth in our system. And right now there is

00:25:16.740 almost no level of truth, whether it's the media. So in this case, 60 minutes with terrible questions

00:25:21.460 or whether it's Merrick Garland or it's Joe Biden or, or I call her cringe Jean-Pierre. It's the only

00:25:27.380 person I have a nickname for, uh, like any of these people, they lie about everything. And then what it

00:25:33.080 does is it makes good people. They either go kind of crazy because it's hard to deal with lies all

00:25:37.700 the time, or you just check out all together, right? How many people do you know, Megan now that

00:25:42.200 are just like, I just can't deal with politics anymore. And that's, that's a recipe for, for a really

00:25:47.160 sick society when good people just can't take it anymore. Yeah. Deal with it. You must because,

00:25:52.620 uh, you know, otherwise you wind up with quote, public servants like Merrick Garland. We do have

00:25:56.880 the 60 minutes thought just for old time's sake. Here it is. It's this, I think it's one of the

00:26:01.640 biggest scandals I've ever seen and you don't cover it. You want to talk about it? Well, because it

00:26:07.500 can't be verified. You want to talk about insignificant things. I'm telling you, of course it can be

00:26:12.100 verified. Excuse me. They found the laptop. Leslie, Leslie, what can be verified? The laptop.

00:26:19.360 Why do you say that? Because even the family hasn't, the family on the laptop,

00:26:26.040 he's gone into hiding for five days. He's gone into hiding. He's preparing for your debate.

00:26:31.660 Oh, it's taken him five days to prepare. I doubt it. I doubt it. Okay.

00:26:36.520 Amazing. And you know, now they, now they have the sitting head of the Department of Justice,

00:26:39.960 which oversees the FBI, which had that laptop back in 2019. And you don't say we, we mistakenly said

00:26:46.460 that the laptop was unverifiable right before the 2020 election, unbeknownst to us at the time,

00:26:51.760 because we failed to look your predecessors, Department of Justice and FBI had the laptop

00:26:57.140 in hand and had it verified. We regret the error to our viewers. Would you like to expand on what was

00:27:02.280 found on that laptop today, sir? Can you, for example, opine on this email about Hunter complaining

00:27:09.960 he had to give half of his salary to his dad, to pop, to his, like, you could have just gone down

00:27:15.180 the list. You could have tried to save your asses from the embarrassing spectacle that Leslie Stahl

00:27:20.540 engaged in. But no, we went a different way.

00:27:23.780 Would you?

00:27:24.360 And Megan, let's not forget. Let's not forget. What was it? The 52 or 51, 53. I forget the number of

00:27:30.260 former intelligence officials who basically were on the cover of the New York Post saying that this

00:27:34.920 was classic Russian misinformation. The irony is that the laptop was given to Rudy Giuliani and Rudy

00:27:40.840 said he would testify that it was legit and they ignored all that. And, you know, I remember, and

00:27:45.960 people can go back to my videos and I'm guessing you too on this one, when Twitter was going out of

00:27:50.740 its way to censor the story, that's when I started thinking it was real. Like at first when they were

00:27:55.400 like, oh, there's some pictures that are leaking or some weirdness here. Partly I didn't want to know

00:27:59.360 about it because it's his personal laptop and the guy obviously had a whole bunch of problems and

00:28:04.240 everything else. But the more that the system went out of its way, and now we know Twitter literally

00:28:09.220 had FBI and CIA agents working there and Elon has exposed all of that with Twitter files, the more

00:28:14.220 that the system went out of its way to make sure that not only could you not share the story, but

00:28:18.180 they disabled the New York Post's Twitter account and they would not let you share links to the story

00:28:24.440 privately in your own direct messages. Once they did that, then I was like, well, obviously

00:28:28.320 something's here because if it was all bull, you would just let it go. So again, this is how,

00:28:33.420 whether it's 60 minutes sort of lying for an administration by bad questions or whether it's

00:28:39.280 an attorney general giving nonsensical answers or it's a tech company going out of its way

00:28:44.260 to lie or make sure you don't see the truth. That's how the whole machine operates. And I guess a few

00:28:51.180 of us are trying to see through the fog these days. This attorney general who's got two pending

00:28:57.440 criminal investigation, criminal cases against the likely opponent to the sitting president right

00:29:04.000 now, unprecedented to go after a former president, nevermind the leading contender for the GOP

00:29:08.180 nomination. This attorney general, that's the guy behind the two Jack Smith prosecutions of Trump

00:29:13.100 and who also we know from whistleblower testimony has been slow rolling the investigation into Joe

00:29:19.460 Biden, uh, from, you know, at only two minutes ago, uh, even gave Jack, uh, David Weiss special

00:29:26.180 counsel status has been very loath to have a special counsel look into his boss. He wanted to maintain

00:29:31.420 control. And even with David Weiss, he didn't get the special counsel designation until he proved

00:29:36.640 that he could be controlled, that he was on team Biden. The evidence is legion. Uh, so that attorney

00:29:41.760 general gets asked Dave about democracy. And this is where he worked up his John Boehner moment, uh,

00:29:49.600 and produced, I guess, a teary moment. I'll describe it as watch it. People can argue with each other as

00:29:56.340 much as they want and as vociferously as they want. But the one thing they may not do is use violence and

00:30:04.080 threats of violence to alter the outcome. And the important aspect of this is the American people

00:30:08.980 themselves. The American people must protect each other. They must ensure that they treat each other

00:30:20.900 with civility and kindness, listen to opposing views, argue as vociferously as they want, but refrain

00:30:29.940 from violence and threats of violence. Why do you feel so strongly about that?

00:30:33.700 Well, I feel it for a number of reasons and a number of things that I've seen, but for my own family

00:30:40.820 who, who, uh, fled, uh, religious persecution in Europe, um, and some members who did not, uh, survive

00:30:53.060 when they got to the United States.

00:30:55.700 If democracy is an emotional subject for Merrick Garland, maybe it's because he has witnessed how

00:31:09.300 suddenly it can be threatened in Oklahoma City and Washington, DC.

00:31:14.980 Oh my God. This is the same guy who was fine with referring to parents as domestic terrorists.

00:31:26.100 The same guy who didn't give a shit about threats outside of the Supreme Court justices homes. That

00:31:30.500 was not a problem for him. So that guy is very concerned now, Dave, about threats you see. And

00:31:36.660 what's what, so what January 6th is the whole Oklahoma city bombing. Now what's happening.

00:31:42.980 It's so incredible. And you got to give the devil is due. Don't you kind of admire these people that

00:31:47.860 can bust out the crocodile tears like that? Like I can't do it. I I've covered stuff that has upset

00:31:52.900 me on my show. You've covered stuff that has upset you, but somehow they can all do it. John

00:31:58.100 Stewart can cry out of nowhere and Barack Obama can cry out of nowhere. And all the late night shows can

00:32:03.780 cry whenever they want. And yes, of course we could go into the litany of things that they don't cry

00:32:08.580 about that they actually do. What he really was trying to hit on there was that parents,

00:32:15.140 and that's what you're referencing, parents have been stepping up and exposing a lot of this nonsense

00:32:19.780 as it relates to their kids. And, and they don't like the rhetoric of a parent who might not want

00:32:26.100 their child to be taught something about gender that is, you know, completely counter to biology

00:32:30.980 or reality. And they want to make you scared of things you shouldn't be scared of say,

00:32:35.940 January six, which they think is worse than nine 11, which is so extraordinary. We don't even have

00:32:40.900 to get into it. And they want you to be angry at people. You shouldn't be angry at as they're the

00:32:45.940 ones that are pilfering the whole country. It's I, I really, in some ways I admire it to some extent.

00:32:51.620 If you remember, you remember the original movie alien, and there's this incredible scene towards

00:32:56.500 the end of the movie, the alien has killed everybody on the ship. And now it's just Sigourney Weaver

00:33:01.380 and the doctor on the ship who turns out to be an Android. And you realize who, what he is and

00:33:05.940 everything. And she's talking. Yeah. And she's taught. Yeah. And she's talking to him about it,

00:33:10.260 about the alien. And he says that he admires the alien because it's merciless.

00:33:15.460 It does what it's set out to do. It has its own code in it, abide by it. Sure. It killed everybody,

00:33:20.820 you know, everyone you know is dead, but it did what it was supposed to do. And that's when I see these

00:33:25.060 people. Sometimes I don't admire what they're doing, but I admire, it's not admire exactly,

00:33:30.340 but I can recognize the cold calculated moves that they use to do it right in front of our faces while

00:33:36.740 they pretend to cry over, over it. It's, ah, it's extraordinary. It's amazing. I mean,

00:33:42.340 his version of threat is we played it when, when that group wrote to the white house and the white

00:33:48.660 house looped in Merrick Garland's DOJ about these threatening parents. And the group was calling them

00:33:54.260 domestic terrorists and wanting the invocation of the domestic terrorist law later verified by the FBI

00:33:59.540 as an investigation into possible terroristic acts. Um, we played, we looked at the 19 instances

00:34:06.980 that were cited in the attachment to that letter that got the FBI involved. Merrick Garland approved

00:34:10.980 it. It was literally things like the parent went too long after they said your time at the microphone

00:34:17.620 is done. I mean, truly, it was like, he kept, he kept talking though. The one parent didn't have

00:34:23.380 the mask on when he was supposed to wear, be wearing the mask. They of course cited that poor

00:34:28.020 dad down in Virginia and Loudoun County who got into a scuffle after he was told he was lying about his

00:34:34.180 daughter being raped, which we now know she was by a kid wearing a dress in the girls' room. So the,

00:34:40.420 this is Merrick Garland's DOJ. He was fine with all that. Those are the things that he,

00:34:44.020 so he talks about the threats and Scott Pelley wants us to believe in mentioning Oklahoma City

00:34:50.100 where I think Merrick Garland was either a U S attorney or judge for that. Um, he wants in the

00:34:55.780 same breath to talk about, this is why it takes threats so seriously. You see, because it's like

00:35:00.100 Oklahoma where 168 Americans were terrorists bombed, you know, by domestic terrorists here.

00:35:04.580 Like that's, that's the threat link, but what we know, we know what he sees is domestic terrorism.

00:35:09.380 It's not just Oklahoma. It's also January 6th, which apparently they think is just as bad.

00:35:13.620 We've left is told us nine 11 is just as bad. If not, if not January 6th worse. And then the guy

00:35:19.540 speaking past his time at the microphone lumped right in with Timothy McVeigh.

00:35:24.340 Yeah, because that's what they want to link. They want to link these things so that if you are a

00:35:28.580 parent who stands up because your, your daughter has been raped by a boy in a dress, or you found out

00:35:34.500 you were angry that they were calling your son, Justin, Justine for three months, or, you know,

00:35:39.140 we could go through the list of crazy things that they're doing at public schools. Um, they want you

00:35:44.100 to somehow in your mind, and that's what 60 minutes is doing. It's trying to connect that

00:35:49.060 the guy who stands up for his daughter or son, and they're trying to connect that with, oh, next thing

00:35:54.180 you know, that guy will be bombing like in Oklahoma city. And that is really, really dangerous.

00:35:59.300 And again, the fact that they can emote the way that they do that, that's what they're really,

00:36:02.740 really good at. They somehow, they have faux emotions. These are not real emotions.

00:36:07.300 They cover their lies using emotional trickery so that people can't really get an honest assessment

00:36:13.060 of going, oh my God, he's, he's crying. He cares so much about democracy, this guy,

00:36:17.300 that he's an adult man crying on television. He must be a good dude.

00:36:22.980 There's no crying at the Department of Justice. Sorry, Mr. Garland.

00:36:26.180 I'm going to try to cry for the next, how long we're doing this for another half hour. I'm going to try

00:36:29.300 to cry. I'm going to try to get some tears out during this thing. So somehow I already had to,

00:36:34.020 I already had to mock somebody's fake cry last week, that Jonathan Van Ness. I'm so tired of

00:36:39.540 having to defend the boys who are in the girls sports. I'm tired too of your nonsense, sir.

00:36:46.420 I'm tired of Merrick Garland's fake tears as he completely spins the entire rule of law on its

00:36:51.940 head to where we no longer believe in it. A fundamental thing we need to believe in.

00:36:56.020 Okay. Quick pause. We're going to come back. We're going to talk about the latest polls that

00:37:00.260 Trump was referencing. Because as you know, Dave is a DeSantis supporter. So I really am interested

00:37:04.740 to hear what he thinks about these latest numbers. It's Trump 63, DeSantis 12. My God. That's as of

00:37:12.740 Friday. Stand by. My trusty team looked it up because we covered this so extensively. Those 19 examples

00:37:22.420 that led that Merrick Garland, the new John Boehner crying. It's just so fear for democracy. And he was

00:37:29.300 the one who said, fine, yeah, domestic terrorists, that works for me. We pulled it up. I remembered it.

00:37:33.460 So clearly, number 10. This is what led him to sick the FBI and the parents. Grand Ledge School Board

00:37:40.180 goes into recess due to public disruption. Oh, sounds bad. What happened? June 16th, 2021.

00:37:45.620 Okay, quoting here from the memo. Board meeting had to go into recess twice. Once because someone went

00:37:54.260 over their three minute time limit during public comment and refused to sit down. There was a five

00:38:02.820 minute recess. The tears. The tears. I don't know. Oklahoma City. January 6th.

00:38:12.900 I had a meeting. The coffee was cold. Spare me your tears, sir. I cry for those parents, not for you.

00:38:26.740 Okay, let's talk politics now. I want to get into this. Trump. I've got to please sound baby

00:38:32.660 before we do Trump DeSantis. Let's spend a minute on Trump Biden. Trump goes out and made a ton of

00:38:36.580 news at this appearance he did. And it was a rally in Anaheim, California. He was classic Trump. He

00:38:41.860 made you laugh. This is why he's winning. People like somebody who entertains them. They kind of

00:38:46.740 forget about the drama he brought when he was in the White House because there's been some distance.

00:38:50.580 And he gets up there and does a great bit on how clueless Joe Biden is whenever he takes to the

00:38:55.460 stage in a mic. Watch. Some people say Biden's going to make it. Does anybody think he's going to make

00:39:01.460 it to the starting gate? I mean, a guy can't find his way off of a stage. Look, here's a stage.

00:39:09.860 Here's a stage. I've never seen this stupid stage before. Right? I've never seen it.

00:39:16.180 But if I walk left, there's a stair. And if I walk right, there's a stair. And this guy gets up.

00:39:24.180 Where am I?

00:39:32.260 To the listening audience, it ends with him facing the back wall.

00:39:35.140 Where the hell am I?

00:39:36.580 You do stand up. Come on. You have to admit it's good.

00:39:41.700 Yeah. I was just going to say, I mean, when Trump's at his best, there should be a two-drink

00:39:46.020 minimum. And everybody would have a ball. And that's him at his best. And by the way,

00:39:51.460 it's not only him at his best because it's off the cuff, but it's also because he's telling us

00:39:55.700 something that we all know that the mainstream media refuses to show us, right? If the mainstream

00:40:00.420 media was being honest about what's going on with Joe Biden, the thing that we all see that I have no

00:40:04.980 doubt you're playing clips of every single day, getting lost, not knowing what he's saying,

00:40:09.540 wrong references, lying about where he was or when he was there, growing up as a Jew,

00:40:14.020 growing up as a Puerto Rican, growing up as a black, all of that stuff. If they would cover any

00:40:18.740 of that honestly, then it would actually diffuse Trump, right? He wouldn't be able to go to the

00:40:23.380 greatest hits and do it so obviously. But because they seem completely unable to show us anything

00:40:29.620 true, they basically hand it to Trump. So again, I really, I'm trying hard. I don't

00:40:34.820 hide what my feelings are about the candidates, but I have no problem giving the guy credit

00:40:40.100 where it's due. And that's the type of stuff that people love. And look, it might just be true before

00:40:44.900 we even get into the polls, Megan. I concede it might be true that people want to show and a showman

00:40:51.380 more than a competent executive. That might be where America's at. And if it is, then we'll desert,

00:40:55.540 we'll get everything we deserve. Right. Uh, but maybe it's not. And now if you want to talk about

00:41:00.260 the polls, we could do that. Yeah. Okay. So I'll go back to my pal, Andy McCarthy, who I,

00:41:03.700 I just love, but he does not believe that Trump can actually win the general. And he like you

00:41:09.300 wants a different candidate because even though people are charmed by Trump, uh, he doesn't think

00:41:15.220 he can get the ball across the finish line. I guess that's not the right way. That's not the right

00:41:19.940 metaphor. He can't get the ball into the end zone. He can't go line. Okay. Whatever. You know what I'm

00:41:25.380 saying? So here's what Andy says, um, pretty good with all due respect. If you're starting to say,

00:41:30.660 you know, maybe he really can win. That's proof that the indictment strategy has worked

00:41:36.020 to perfection. And he goes on to say, if we toss out that absurd Washington post,

00:41:40.100 ABC news poll, the one that has, um, Trump over 50% has, has only ever had Trump over 50%

00:41:48.340 and significantly ahead of Biden. What we find is that Trump is where he's always been unable to get

00:41:53.460 to 47%. That's where he was in 2016 when he miraculously won. That's where he was in 2020

00:41:58.820 when he lost. And I don't believe Trump's numbers are going to stay flat. I believe they're going to

00:42:03.460 dip by more than three points, maybe much more by this time next year because of indictment Rama,

00:42:10.340 you know, because the, all the criminal cases, all the negative news is going to be out there about

00:42:13.860 them, about him. Do you agree? Or do you think it's a different problem? Um, I will hit the poll thing,

00:42:19.380 but let me just say one thing quick first, which is that if Trump believes that the election was

00:42:23.300 stolen, which is still what he says and what many of his supporters believe, uh, and let me not even

00:42:27.940 take a position on that for just a moment. But if that's what he believes, then the polls and the

00:42:32.740 numbers and whether he can get more votes and everything else are completely irrelevant. And

00:42:36.660 it's the only issue he should be addressing. If you believe wholeheartedly, and again, I believe

00:42:40.980 he's being forthright. I believe he believes it. Then if you believe they stole it from you last time,

00:42:46.100 why wouldn't they steal it from you this time? So you can tell me you're doing more rallies than

00:42:50.180 ever, which obviously isn't true, or that the crowds are bigger than ever, which isn't true

00:42:53.460 or whatever. But like if they stole it once, they'll steal it again. So you, you would, to me

00:42:57.780 first, before we talk about polls, he has to address that. Okay. They stole it from me last time.

00:43:02.180 Here's what I'm doing on the ground. Here's what I'm doing to make sure a pipe doesn't burst in

00:43:05.780 Philadelphia at midnight on election night. Here's what I'm doing related to, uh, ballot harvesting

00:43:10.900 and everything else. But he hasn't done that, nor does, I don't think anyone thinks he has the team

00:43:15.140 around him that could actually honestly take care of that stuff. So I would say that's one problem

00:43:19.940 on the polling side of things, Megan, how often, let me just reiterate the numbers that we're talking

00:43:25.620 about. So people know, cause I just said it in a tease, but morning consult came out on Friday.

00:43:29.780 Um, as of Friday, Trump at 63%, that's plus five since Monday post debate. Uh, then DeSantis at 12,

00:43:37.860 that's minus three since Monday at the debate. Vivek seven minus two since Monday after the debate.

00:43:43.540 Um, and then there's Trump. I don't know. I don't know. Is this a second one Friday afternoon?

00:43:50.500 Uh, and that's Trump 62, DeSantis at 10. So the point is, oh, that's a New York post poll.

00:43:57.220 So you got the New York post poll 62, DeSantis 10 morning consult, Trump 63, DeSantis 12. You go.

00:44:06.580 Well, first let me ask you a question. Cause I think it might help us here a little bit in all your years

00:44:10.740 of, uh, of covering politics and elections and everything else. Would you say you more

00:44:15.220 often cover how polls were wrong or right? I've never seen a poll wrong by 50 points.

00:44:21.380 Never. So I'll, I'll concede that we're seeing like some crazy thing here, but usually at the

00:44:26.020 day after the election, aren't we always talking about how polls are wrong? Pretty much without

00:44:30.420 exception, right? Yes. I'll get to the, what? This is every poll.

00:44:35.860 No, no, I'll get to the, I'll get to the numbers in a second, but I, but I think it's,

00:44:39.940 I think it's important that people putting aside 60 to 10 or everything else. I think it's important

00:44:45.220 that people view polls very skeptically. I am an adult. I'm 47 years old. I have never been polled.

00:44:50.660 No one has ever called me for a poll. I've never been texted about a poll. I don't know that I know

00:44:54.740 anyone who has been polled now, you know, they've changed things over the years, but usually it's done

00:44:58.660 by landlines. So you're eliminating a certain set of people who don't even have phones anymore. I think

00:45:02.820 it's become very faulty. We all know there's all sorts of ways to do those things, but no,

00:45:07.860 no, but all, all everything being equal, there obviously is some validity to what's going on

00:45:12.580 with the polls right now. Right? So I'm not saying Trump is not the front runner. He obviously is.

00:45:17.620 I would also say that DeSantis, who clearly is number two, he has to do a better job of separating

00:45:23.060 himself from the pack. I think, you know, DeSantis's strength is also his weakness right now. I've been

00:45:28.100 calling this the Tim Duncan theory on my show. I don't know if you're much of an NBA basketball

00:45:32.580 fan, but Tim Duncan was a no. Okay. So bear with me on this one for a second. I think,

00:45:37.300 I think you'll get the idea. Tim Duncan was a 15 time. He played during the Kobe shack years,

00:45:42.420 but you probably don't even know the name Tim Duncan, but the guy was a 15 time all-star won

00:45:47.300 five championships. That's as many as Kobe. He was on Olympic teams. He was on every all NBA team,

00:45:52.960 but he wasn't flashy. He wasn't a big dunker. He wasn't a big talker. He retired the same year as

00:45:58.860 Kobe. Nobody knew he even retired. The point is that that's what DeSantis is suffering from right

00:46:04.780 now. Everything he says. I mean, how often on your show do you play clips of him lying? I'm

00:46:09.020 guessing pretty much never. How often do you play clips of him not doing something he said he was

00:46:13.460 going to do? I'm going to say pretty much never. He's doing everything right. And in a weird way,

00:46:18.080 we don't know how to react to that because we've become sort of a cult of personality country.

00:46:23.420 So I think his weakness is his strength now that competence doesn't go viral. When you have a great

00:46:29.400 interview with Trump, the stuff that goes viral are not the moments where Trump says something

00:46:33.360 right. It's when he says something wrong. And DeSantis doesn't say a lot of wrong things. He

00:46:37.860 doesn't make fun of people. So he's struggling in the, I would say, zeitgeist layer. And he has to

00:46:42.880 figure out how to deal with that. I think he had a great interview with Bill Maher where he really

00:46:46.400 showed that a true liberal like Bill Maher would have a much better life in Florida than California,

00:46:51.640 but you got to figure out a way to make that translate. So whether it's, whether the polls

00:46:55.540 are off by seven, you know, 60 points or five points, there's still a lot of be work to be

00:47:00.480 done. I have no problem telling you that. No, there's definitely a lot of work to be done.

00:47:04.440 I mean, I, I want to talk about it more and we have a clip of him on Bill Maher. I think he's,

00:47:09.900 I don't know if he's getting better or if he was just misjudged from the start, but we'll talk

00:47:13.420 about that too. I'm going to squeeze in a quick break. Dave stays with us. Plenty more to get to.

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00:48:02.080 We're going to get to Jamal Bowman, this Democrat in New York who pulled the fire alarm in Capitol

00:48:07.380 Hill and now is denying. He understood that when you pull the fire alarm, the sirens go off and the

00:48:11.860 fire company gets involved. And it's, it's a big thing. Doesn't actually just magically open doors.

00:48:16.580 It creates, creates an emergency situation. He's giving a new comment about it. It's actually

00:48:23.040 the best story of the day. I've saved it to, to, uh, too late in our interview, but let's just stick

00:48:28.240 with DeSantis and politics for right now because DeSantis went on with Bill Maher. Bill Maher,

00:48:33.220 I have to say, did something I don't like. And he called him Ron. I just feel like when somebody's

00:48:37.640 on the show to call him, he's a sitting governor, like call him governor, be respectful privately.

00:48:42.660 You can call him Ron, but no, anyway, maybe it was just the lip of the tongue. That's not really

00:48:46.280 the point. Watch what they said. The debate. I, it was a shit show. I heard you won. I heard

00:48:51.820 the polling said you won. What did you win with Trump? No, honestly, with Trump, not in the race,

00:48:57.560 what did you win? In the midst of all the show that happened, I was the one guy that people said,

00:49:02.220 you know what? This guy's actually acting like a president when the rest were not.

00:49:05.900 Why run against Trump? You're trying to thread this needle that will never happen.

00:49:10.540 Well, for a couple of reasons. You can't, you can't disavow him because you, that's the base.

00:49:15.840 And yet you're running against him. And that's why, I mean, let's face it, Ron,

00:49:20.220 if this, if campaign was going well, you wouldn't be on this show.

00:49:23.340 Oh, that's not true.

00:49:26.760 What'd you be doing? I gotta say, I, I was there that night and I chatted with the governor a little

00:49:31.380 bit beforehand. And I thought, you know, as a former lib, like a Bill Maher style lib,

00:49:35.460 I could maybe offer a little insight into where Bill was going to go with him. I think he did an

00:49:39.540 absolutely great job. And Bill, look, I I'm friends with Bill. I spent a nice amount of time

00:49:43.200 with him after he he's a nice guy. I think he gets a lot of things, right. And he still gets

00:49:47.080 some things wrong, but that line there at the end, you wouldn't be on this show. If it was,

00:49:51.360 if you were doing well, what really was so wrong as an interviewer, because all we always ask for

00:49:58.780 in public policy in public life right now is for people to sit down with people they disagree with,

00:50:04.260 right? You're really, really good at it. I tried in my best ability to do it. It's getting harder and

00:50:08.820 harder, obviously, because once they frame you as a scary right winger, it gets harder

00:50:12.840 to sit down with people. But DeSantis did what we all want. He went into enemy territory,

00:50:18.360 into Hollywood to talk to a lifelong Democrat who literally last week said he was going to vote for

00:50:24.280 Gavin Newsom. That's what Bill Maher said. And he, and he defended all of his views. So I think that

00:50:30.920 was my one disappointment with the interview was that Bill gave it a real cheap shot at the end,

00:50:34.980 because beyond that, DeSantis not only defended his policies across the board related to everything

00:50:41.180 on Florida and COVID and what he would do to the administrative state and everything else,

00:50:44.960 but Bill didn't have much to disagree with him on. I mean, that was the real takeaway of the thing.

00:50:50.300 If you are an old school liberal, you would live a flourishing life in Florida. And that's what

00:50:56.840 DeSantis has done here. So what's, I mean, realistically, Dave, I mean, I look at the debates and I look at

00:51:02.720 the GOP field right now as the backup plan to Trump. You know, if Trump is in jail,

00:51:07.880 the Republicans are going to have to run somebody else. I mean, there will be a certain point at

00:51:12.480 which Trump is no longer an option if the Democrats get their way on these criminal trials.

00:51:16.980 And so it is important to have an ongoing debate about who other than Trump. But I just can't see

00:51:23.760 at this point anybody taking Trump out. I just can't see it. Like even DeSantis has got most of his

00:51:29.440 eggs in the Iowa basket, but Trump is still beating him by any place from 20 to 30 points,

00:51:34.100 depending on the poll. And even if I would say, I just don't want to get too hung up on polls. I

00:51:39.160 really don't there. I get that you're talking about a wide chasm here, but they are so often

00:51:43.180 wrong. DeSantis is going to all 99 counties in Iowa. Trump is bare. He was in Iowa in the last

00:51:48.320 couple of days, but he's barely going there. And we know it all flips with one win. So I would say

00:51:53.560 that if Trump refuses to debate, it is regardless of who you support, it's really unhealthy for

00:51:59.580 democracy. I had Jordan Peterson on my show at the last debate, live after the debate. And Jordan said

00:52:05.820 that in a healthy democracy, both Donald Trump and Joe Biden would be debating. It's not about,

00:52:11.860 okay, fine, we can all acknowledge. It might be a good strategic thing that he's letting them all

00:52:17.140 fight it out while he's not there. But truly in the country that I think most of us want to live in,

00:52:22.240 where we would honestly have the debates about ideas and that you would have to really make your

00:52:27.020 case against your ideological opponents or the people that you want to win in the primary against,

00:52:32.660 that would be a healthier way about going about things. And Trump's refusing to do that. And by

00:52:36.940 the way, you know what this is going to lead to? If Biden is the nominee, and I honestly think it's

00:52:41.440 going to be Gavin Newsom, I don't know how they're going to do it, but don't put anything past the

00:52:45.720 Democrats. But Biden or Newsom or whoever it might be will refuse to debate Trump. If Trump just says,

00:52:51.600 I don't have to go to debates because I'm the obvious winner of this thing, I'm not going to

00:52:54.400 debate. Well, then Biden will say, you know what, I don't have to debate either because he's a racist

00:52:58.040 and a white nationalist. And then one day we will have no debates and that will not be good for any

00:53:02.300 of us. We're going to get to fall of 2024 after each party settled on its nominee. And that's when

00:53:07.080 you have generally the three general election debates. And they're both going to show up. It's

00:53:11.340 going to be Biden and then probably Trump, but maybe somebody else. And it's on and all the TV

00:53:17.080 cameras are going to be there. And then Biden's going to pull the fire alarm because that's the

00:53:21.820 new thing. Well, he just thought he was looking for the door. You know, so we've all done that story.

00:53:29.560 Right. So there's Jamal Bowman is a Democrat from New York, and he's a big defund the police guy,

00:53:36.040 a system this cruel and inhumane cannot be reformed, defund the police. July 4th, just to give people

00:53:42.000 of flavor of Jamal. July 4th, this July 4th, we must remember that we stand on stolen land,

00:53:47.920 toiled by enslaved Africans and so on. All right. So they get the picture of who Jamal is.

00:53:52.960 And Jamal, I don't even I don't even like covering the spending dustups. I'm so sick of doing it. I've

00:53:58.900 been doing it for almost 20 years. They always wind up working out. They always this brinksmanship

00:54:03.520 until the 11th hour. People get all excited. And then they do what they did last night where they

00:54:08.120 get it, you know, postponement for 45 days and then we'll do it again. And then they'll whatever

00:54:13.440 sick of the bullshit. People got other things to worry about. Anyway, in the context of that

00:54:19.500 back and forth, the Democrats wanted a motion to adjourn the vote on whether they should partner

00:54:27.180 with some of these Republicans and just postpone the thing, just get 45 days of relief until they

00:54:31.280 have to deal with this problem. But some weren't sure if they should sign the motion or vote in favor

00:54:35.540 of this motion to adjourn. And the Democrats were saying, hold on, you know, like, let's see,

00:54:40.700 you know, let's postpone it a little bit. Anyway, Jamal Bowman, in the midst of that,

00:54:45.700 decides to allegedly on his rush, rush, rush to get there to vote, instead pulled the fire alarm.

00:54:52.160 And now what he's claiming is he really was just trying to get out of the doors, Dave. But there we

00:54:58.200 see him not pressing the doors, pulling the big the little red button that from time immemorial,

00:55:04.120 always says fire. And like, even, you know, our little four year olds know. Well, fire means

00:55:11.300 you're calling the fire department because there's a fire. It doesn't open doors. You see,

00:55:17.160 it calls a fire department. Jamal. Hello, sweetheart. Pay attention, sweet. And now he's trying to say

00:55:24.680 he was confused. This is the statement he gave the other day. He said,

00:55:28.400 as today, as I was rushing to make a vote, I came to a door that is usually open for votes.

00:55:35.620 OK, but this one leads to the outside. So, OK, I don't know. He's open for votes. Maybe he needed

00:55:40.840 to go outside of this building into another one. But today would not open. I am embarrassed to admit

00:55:46.260 that I activated the fire alarm, mistakenly thinking it would open the door. A mistake literally nobody's

00:55:52.560 ever made in the history of mankind. I regret this and sincerely apologize for any confusion

00:55:57.280 this caused. Then, Dave, just to give you a little flavor, everybody starts posting a picture of the

00:56:03.760 area where he pulled the alarm and they post a picture with these two red signs that say, like,

00:56:07.900 press the door on the bar for three seconds and the door will open. Well, if you look at the actual

00:56:12.440 picture, see, this is what we see all over the Internet. Jamal Bowman's not in it. And you've got

00:56:16.840 these two signs saying, press the door for three seconds and the doors will open. Alarm will sound.

00:56:22.520 It doesn't say anything about the fire alarm on the on the wall. But if you look at the actual

00:56:26.080 picture of the moment Jamal Bowman was in the fire, was in the hallway, those red signs are not there.

00:56:30.920 You can see the backs of two other signs that are on the outsides of the doors. So I don't buy that

00:56:37.940 the red signs caused him any confusion, which is what some people are saying. I don't buy that.

00:56:42.020 Well, of course, I mean, he pulled the fire alarm and he knew very well what they were going to

00:56:46.820 do. Yes. Anyone who's ever pulled a fire alarm in the history of fire alarms has known what's

00:56:52.520 going to happen when you pull the fire alarm and it's not open a door. But also it says emergency

00:56:56.940 exit right in front of him. Like, it's all so stupid. But, you know, this is what I call Democrat

00:57:01.800 privilege because nothing is going to happen to Jamal Bowman. He, you know, maybe they'll give him

00:57:06.800 a slap on the wrist, but nothing really is going to happen to him. He won't even have to leave this

00:57:11.100 stolen land. You know, wouldn't that be something, you know, you broke the rules. You should at least

00:57:14.480 leave the stolen land, but he's not going to leave the stolen land. He's going to be just fine. If

00:57:18.840 anything, it will be a perfect example of Democrat privilege. He will become more famous because of

00:57:24.360 it and they will make him, they will give him an even better job. He will eventually be Speaker of

00:57:28.740 the House if they take over or he'll become a Senator or he'll probably figure out a way to be

00:57:34.100 Newsom's VP. Because if you're a Democrat and you do something stupid or illegal or immoral or

00:57:40.660 completely insane, you fail up. So, uh, I hate to say it, but Bowman ain't going anywhere.

00:57:47.500 People are making the comparison to some of the January 6th protesters, not the ones who caused

00:57:52.100 violence, but like the ones who were kind of wandering around just aimlessly through the

00:57:55.100 Capitol and the police had held the doors open who have been charged with obstruction of a

00:57:58.980 congressional proceeding saying, how does he not get charged with, with obstruction of a

00:58:03.480 congressional proceeding when he's clearly trying to evacuate the buildings so that they're not,

00:58:07.100 they can't take a vote on this thing that they wanted to postpone. That's how it looks. Anyway,

00:58:11.840 he doesn't get charged. No investigation. One Republican saying he should be expelled.

00:58:15.940 McCarthy says there should be some punishment. Here's what Bowman said today, just moments ago,

00:58:20.120 Dave Rubin. This is the latest spin.

00:58:22.740 You know, I don't know why this has gotten so much attention. I was literally just in a rush to go

00:58:31.620 vote, man. That's all it was. Are you afraid of any repercussions either from leadership or from

00:58:36.300 legally from the Capitol? I mean, listen, I take responsibility for what I did, you know,

00:58:40.360 but like I said, I was in a rush to go vote and, uh, you know, investigation will, will sort

00:58:45.220 everything else out. Have you talked to Jeffries about it? Oh yeah, of course. How was that

00:58:49.920 conversation? I got to keep that between me and the leader. So I'm not going to share that publicly.

00:58:54.040 Yeah, but we've been in touch with each other. I mean, how many times Dave, have you been in a rush

00:58:58.960 and you're running down the hallway and you can't like the doors not opening or you get, and so you just

00:59:03.720 pull the fire alarm. I mean, that's, that's a thing, right? No, man, I had something to do.

00:59:08.560 I wasn't just doing it for no reason. Like it's irrelevant whether he did it for a reason or not.

00:59:14.040 And he obviously did. It's not the reason he's saying, um, he wanted to postpone the vote. That's

00:59:18.500 what this obviously was. He was just in a rush, but again, nothing's going to happen to him because

00:59:22.580 this is how the, this is how the system operates when people talk about the swamp, but particularly

00:59:27.000 there's a Democrat version of the swamp where you can always get away with everything. If this had

00:59:32.520 been Lauren Boebert, let's say the woman got her boob squeezed. We didn't talk, we talked about it

00:59:36.720 for like three weeks, right? If Lauren Boebert had done this. And by the way, all the, all the guys

00:59:42.320 in my studio said that, you know, chicks are into that. It's, it's all right. It's all right. It's

00:59:46.280 okay. In the right setting, it can work. But the point is, if it had been her pulling this,

00:59:53.320 they would have said insurrection, but he's going to, he's going to get away with it. If anything,

00:59:57.060 if you live in New York and you're in this guy's in this guy's district, you got to get rid of him

01:00:01.520 for a lit, you know, a litany of other reasons. Uh, and also know that you also are on stolen land,

01:00:06.760 then you should probably move back where you came from in the true Democrat tradition.

01:00:12.320 You know, it's like, we got what Caroline Maloney. She's a hot mess. You got AOC,

01:00:17.420 you got Jamal. I mean, New York, as Trump would say, they're not sending their best. We're going

01:00:21.720 to have to work on it. Megan, I live in the free state of Florida. You scooted out, but not that far,

01:00:26.860 which we should take offline and discuss your migration down here soon enough.

01:00:31.140 Connecticut has been an improvement. I will say that not, not perfect, but for sure an improvement.

01:00:36.100 I, or as I like to refer to it, New England. I live in New England now. Does it just sounds fancy?

01:00:43.100 Doesn't it?

01:00:45.280 You're very fancy. You're very fancy, Megan Kelly.

01:00:48.560 See you soon.

01:00:50.100 Good to see you.

01:00:50.820 All right. When we come back, we're going to turn to the topic of boys and men and the war on both of

01:00:57.640 them. Some devastating numbers now on the U S workforce and the, and the great migration out of

01:01:03.540 it by men. Why is that happening? And what does it mean for us? Stand by.

01:01:11.960 Now we're going to turn to the attacks on men happening seemingly everywhere in our culture today,

01:01:17.460 from fatherhood to the workplace and school. Our next guest argues young men today are not only

01:01:23.460 failing to become strong, but they don't know what it means anymore to be a man because of what

01:01:29.660 society is doing to them. The constant smear of manhood as toxic and the lack of smart, valuable

01:01:37.940 guidance on all of this. But fortunately there is a way forward. And Owen Strand is here to talk about

01:01:44.500 it. He's a provost and research professor of theology at grace Bible theology seminary and

01:01:49.640 author of the new book, the war on men, why society hates them and why we need them out tomorrow.

01:01:59.040 Great title. Oh, and thank you so much for being here. Um, I'm really looking forward to this

01:02:03.500 discussion because last week we ended, uh, the week we had a great interview with Scott Adams on

01:02:09.180 Friday, but the day before that we were talking about this thing that's happening in the UK with some

01:02:12.600 friends of mine, which is why you don't do a lot of UK news over here, but this involves some friends

01:02:17.640 of mine and it's upsetting to me. And it kind of plays right into what you're writing about. Um,

01:02:22.280 just to bring the audience up to speed, uh, this, uh, political pundit recovering actor,

01:02:27.360 Lawrence Fox went on GB news, which is a more fair and balanced type news channel over there.

01:02:32.340 And he went on the show of Dan Wooden, who's an anchor, most popular show on GB news. Dan's been on my

01:02:37.200 show many times. And Dan asked him about these comments that this woman, Ava Evans made. She's a

01:02:43.520 political commentator, very dismissive of male suicide and the crisis of male suicide. She really

01:02:49.180 didn't seem to give a shit to be sorry. I'm speaking to the theologian anyway. So she didn't

01:02:53.240 seem to care at all. I think that it feeds into the culture or a little bit, this minister for men

01:02:58.720 argument like that in my mind, I think there should be a minister for mental health, which would be all

01:03:02.740 encompassing. I mean, you've got something like 7 million children waiting for prescriptions for mental

01:03:06.160 health at the moment. It's a crisis that's endemic throughout the country, not specific to men.

01:03:10.620 And I think, you know, a lot of ministers kind of bandy this about to sort of, I'm sorry, but make

01:03:15.020 an enemy out of women, I think. Not you. And I don't think your book is. I don't accept that. I don't

01:03:19.760 think it is to make an enemy. If we looked at during COVID, men were more, literally more likely to die

01:03:24.240 from COVID. And I don't really want to cast myself as a meninist or one of these guys from the

01:03:29.020 manuscript. That's not who I am. But I do find it interesting that sometimes the arguments tend to

01:03:33.440 throw it back on. But who was doing all the work during COVID? You know, a lot of the time,

01:03:36.320 if you looked into people's households, it was the women who were taking on the laundry, the school,

01:03:39.900 the school care, all of that. But I'm not disputing any of that. Well, I'm saying that there are

01:03:44.100 specific issues that men face that might warrant specific attention. I mean, literally, the biggest

01:03:49.720 killer of men under 50 is suicide. That is an arresting statistic. And if that doesn't warrant

01:03:54.720 specific attention, mental health is an umbrella issue. I have to say that it's also because women are

01:03:58.580 unsuccessful. That is a lot of that is feeds into that statistic. It feels like it just doesn't

01:04:02.940 feel like you've got any space for this idea that men might have unique challenges to face. And the

01:04:07.500 problem is, even as I'm saying this, in my mind, it's like I've got out the violin and I don't want

01:04:11.160 to be, I don't want to be, I don't want to be this guy because that's part of the problem is because

01:04:14.920 you're encouraged on one level is men need to talk about their problems more. And then the moment you

01:04:18.620 do it, you're like, all right, but not, not, not quite so often. They're not quite so loud.

01:04:22.280 And, um, Dan asked Lawrence Fox for his reaction to her dismissiveness of the male suicide crisis.

01:04:29.480 And he said, I, how unattractive he found her and quote, who would want to shag that

01:04:35.240 British, um, the meltdown in the UK has dominated the papers for the last five days.

01:04:42.820 Lawrence has been suspended from GB that we believe he's going to be fired. Dan wouldn't,

01:04:47.380 who just hosted Lawrence on there is suspended and could be fired. Then Calvin Robinson, um,

01:04:54.560 who's an amazing commentator. He too is, I think a minister. Um, he just made the comment of this is

01:05:00.600 wrong. You shouldn't be, you shouldn't be canceling Dan and or Lawrence what's happening here. GB

01:05:06.380 suspended him. He got suspended all Owen for, you know, because these guys had an instinct that what

01:05:13.780 this woman said was repugnant and that her being so dismissive of here in the United States, it's 35,000

01:05:19.800 men a year who complete, uh, you know, forgive the way of putting it successfully, a suicide.

01:05:26.960 They found it disgusting and Lawrence handled it in a somewhat crass attempt at humor. And now his

01:05:33.840 whole life is being ruined. I mean, he's, they're protesting him. He's, everybody's withdrawing from

01:05:38.920 him. He's being threatened. His kids are being threatened. This guy, all he did was make a crass

01:05:44.600 joke about a woman who's, whose callousness has gone completely unmentioned and uncared about in

01:05:51.120 the whole debate. So what do you make of that? Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't, I wouldn't defend his

01:05:57.020 comment per se, but what I would say is this, the sins of men are amplified today. And if a man

01:06:02.620 does something wrong in public and a woman says something that is callous and unkind, as she clearly did,

01:06:08.480 then the man's sin seems to count five X that of the woman's sin. And so we're fundamentally in a

01:06:14.600 culture, Megan, where men are not treated equally to women. And, and there's actually a whole narrative

01:06:19.840 behind this with regard to wokeness, which argues that because of past injustices, because of the

01:06:25.320 patriarchy, which has dominated society in the past, now men are getting their own time in the penalty

01:06:31.660 box. And it's not a bad thing. It's actually a good thing because this is going to right the wrongs

01:06:36.360 systemically that have dominated in the West for a long, long time. The problem with all of this,

01:06:41.780 aside from just the patent unfairness of it, is that when boys and young men are told that they

01:06:46.960 are toxic and treated in public as if they are toxic, this has terrible effects, not just for

01:06:52.440 boys and young men, but for all of us, because it causes them to think and believe what they are told.

01:06:57.700 Hmm. It's so dark. I mean, I, I worry about it a lot because I've got three kids, two of whom are

01:07:05.620 boys and they're young, you know, they're, they're 14 and 10 and they have a strong father, which is

01:07:12.720 half the game. We go to church every Sunday, which I think also really helps. Um, but I don't, and we

01:07:18.560 now have chosen a good school that doesn't tell them they're bad just because they're boys, nevermind

01:07:23.000 white boys. You know, they're getting positive inputs about their possibilities in life, but in

01:07:28.720 so many other schools, it's a very different message. So where, what is, do you think the

01:07:33.360 most troubling input on the messaging to young boys today? Well, I think if you teach boys that

01:07:39.200 being assertive and aggressive and taking risks and not showing emotion and hard situations, uh,

01:07:46.220 I think if you teach boys that these kinds of behaviors, which are typically masculine behaviors,

01:07:51.100 and I would even go so far as to say biblical, uh, masculine behaviors, if you teach them that

01:07:56.020 all of that is bad and a sign of their toxicity, here's the deal, Megan, boys are going to believe

01:08:01.140 that they're going to believe you. When you say you really need to be more like a girl. And that's

01:08:06.880 basically how boys and young men are treated today. They need to be boyish girls. And that, that just

01:08:13.000 shows us where we are as a culture. We're in a queered culture today where the lines between men and

01:08:18.360 women are blurred, where your sex is blurred, where androgyny proliferates. And this is a tremendous

01:08:24.640 problem. It really goes against the nature and the wiring of a boy. Boys are made by God for his

01:08:30.720 glory, just as girls are made by God for his glory. And boys actually are wired to be aggressive and

01:08:36.320 assertive in a proper fashion. They need shepherding and correcting, but on average, boys have about 2000 to

01:08:42.040 3000% more testosterone than girls. That explains why boys, when, when you look around at them,

01:08:47.480 you know, on a playground, if we still have playgrounds in 2023, want to compete and, and,

01:08:53.280 and have physical contact and have this massive quest that they're on, even in the 20 minutes of

01:08:58.460 recess, that's because of the wiring of boys. That's because God made boys that way. He made

01:09:03.200 boys for action. Adam was made Genesis two 15 to work and protect the garden of Eden. So this is in a

01:09:10.300 boy. You can try to take it out of a boy. You can stick a needle in his neck and try to extract the

01:09:15.000 manhood from a boy. But again, this is how boys are made. I went to the high school football game

01:09:21.560 with, you know, my kids are in elementary school and middle school, but I went to the high school

01:09:25.460 football game on Saturday. It's actually really sweet. Cause my little guy was one of the water

01:09:30.280 boys each week. They take some of the fourth graders and let them be the water boys for the

01:09:33.720 varsity. It was adorable. Um, but I was looking at the kids in the stands and they have like sort of

01:09:40.960 the area of the stands where the ninth through 12th graders cheer. And it was like, you could see

01:09:47.260 these young boys, you know, let's say 14 through 18 coming into this testosterone driven period of

01:09:55.600 life. And they looked amazing. They were, they were so full of enthusiasm, you know, it's killer be

01:10:00.800 killed on, you know, for the football team. And they were cheering and they were, they had a door that

01:10:05.900 they destroyed. We lost. It was sad, but anyway, and then you had the girls who were very different.

01:10:12.200 You could see, they did not have all that testosterone running through their veins,

01:10:15.760 but they had their cute little outfits on and they all were beautiful and they were sitting there and

01:10:20.260 they had a different role to play. I feel like the feminists would come to this and be like toxic,

01:10:25.180 toxic, toxic. And you're bad too, for wanting to look attractive to the boys. And they want some sort

01:10:30.880 of merged version of these two. Yeah. And that's, what's proliferating on college campuses today.

01:10:37.240 You think about what they call the skittle skittle hair phenomenon, where you've got orange or pink

01:10:41.600 hair and everyone's wearing the same weird baggy clothes and, uh, and no one's quite sure of who

01:10:46.560 anyone is. You're in my native new England. I'm from Maine. And so it warms my heart listening to the

01:10:51.660 earlier conversation to hear you speaking so positively about new England. And I love that even in new

01:10:56.300 England, there's not a lot of amazing football players produced from that region. Let that be said,

01:11:00.480 but nonetheless, you got Friday night lights or Saturday night lights all across America. And

01:11:04.800 it is Megan, this testimony, this Testament to enduring manhood and womanhood. And it is a good

01:11:11.160 thing fundamentally for boys to have that native instinct for competition and to be a hero and to

01:11:18.660 compete in, in big contests. And not every boy of course is going to be a quarterback. He's going to

01:11:24.080 be, you know, the, the sixth touchdown throwing quarterback, but even for boys to have a role

01:11:28.660 in those kinds of good, bigger realities than they are, instead of leading a kind of plastic

01:11:34.820 artificial life on screens, you know, having a little harem on only fans and, and, you know,

01:11:40.820 cultivating your own little curated quest for meaning and adventure in a video game and never

01:11:46.580 talking to anybody, never going outside of your basement. Our culture and society wants young men to

01:11:52.640 fail. It's actively cheering for them to fail. And it wants young men and boys to lead plastic

01:11:58.640 lives. It wants the rise of women and the decline of men. I can't tell you why it's not good for

01:12:03.820 anybody, but this is what the woke leftists among us want. And what I'm trying to say in this book,

01:12:09.580 the war on men is we actually want those kinds of cultures that you were just talking about,

01:12:14.640 where boys are trained into something bigger than themselves, where they hurt, where they take risks,

01:12:20.120 where there's, you know, there's real danger at hand, but that's good for them. It grows them up

01:12:25.920 from boyhood to manhood. So there's all sorts of good that we find as a common grace witness

01:12:30.580 in Friday night lights. The, I mean, what happens is more and more now, and there was just a report

01:12:38.300 about this, about how, if you look at all the major corporations, the number of white males who are

01:12:47.340 getting hired or just men at all is down at like 6%. I got to get the actual numbers. So don't hold

01:12:52.580 me to that exact stat, but I think that's what it was. Um, because we're so focused on diversity,

01:12:57.140 equity, inclusion, and that means, and women are in there too. So women kind of go first. Uh, and

01:13:01.780 then if you have any sort of identity that gets you into the special box, you go next and left at the

01:13:07.620 bottom are men and in particular white men. And so they're in this place where, what do they do?

01:13:13.980 Should they work hard in school? Because what's going to happen when they get out? A lot of these

01:13:18.600 guys want to go in finance. Maybe their dads are in finance. It's a no good luck. What, what bank is

01:13:24.000 going to hire you? Like their, their focus are obsessed with diversity. And that means someone

01:13:28.460 other than you. It means a woman. It means a person of color, not a white guy, not a white kid,

01:13:33.160 no matter how smart, no matter, well, all of it is so dejecting. And that leads me to this. Um,

01:13:38.580 it was an Axios report that the daily caller did a great piece on called men leaving the workforce

01:13:43.400 is not a win, not, not a win for women. They were taking issue with this Axios framing of the stat

01:13:50.400 that men are leaving the workforce in record numbers. And they, the spin was that this was

01:13:55.420 somehow a win for women's equality. The writer there, the reporter, Mary Rook, concluding that,

01:14:01.400 uh, 7 million men in the prime of their life, opting out of the labor market. Um, according to a

01:14:08.940 report that had been released by Marco Rubio, this is not a good thing. The lack of available

01:14:13.380 upward mobility is soul crushing. It's soul crushing for these guys. And it's not good for

01:14:17.860 women either. What do you make of it? Oh, I completely agree. It's terrible when men are

01:14:23.320 not called to be strong. And I of course believe ultimately in, in being called to be strong in the

01:14:28.400 grace of God. You have to die to yourself as a man or a woman know that you are weak, but that

01:14:33.860 Christ died on the cross and rose again for your salvation. And that's when truly a man finds the

01:14:40.000 key to being strong. There are job difficulties all around us. The society is working against boys

01:14:46.440 and young men. If you're active and assertive and aggressive, if you just have white skin,

01:14:51.420 so, so to speak, and you're, you're a man today, you're in the cultural penalty box. You may not do

01:14:56.120 anything bad per se in public, but you're already in the cultural penalty box. And so this means that

01:15:01.980 many men find themselves in desperate circumstances today, and they have no hope Megan to, to entwine

01:15:08.140 that factor with the workforce participation. We're basically at the level of the great depression,

01:15:13.760 by the way, in terms of male workforce rates in prime working years today, as I show in the war

01:15:18.560 on men, if you entwine that with the spiritual state of men, you just recognize that men basically

01:15:23.700 are hopeless. We're, we're throwing stats out. We're talking this through, but if you want just one

01:15:28.600 word on the predicament of modern men, especially we can say modern white men, if you look at stats

01:15:34.760 in terms of suicides, not that this conversation is solely about them, but they're hopeless. They

01:15:39.760 don't know where to go. They don't have anyone to turn to. Even many churches don't strengthen them

01:15:44.640 in terms of the broader mainline denominations out there. So men are in a desperate condition,

01:15:49.380 but here's the deal. This is actually a great moment. God loves to redeem us when we're in darkness.

01:15:55.380 God loves to do work in the shadows and the corners. And that's where many men are. Men are

01:15:59.980 dropping out. Boys are becoming school shooters, public shooters. Men are disappearing from colleges

01:16:06.260 and universities at seven times the rate of women today in the post lockdown era. But what I'm here

01:16:11.540 to say and what my book, the war on men says above all is not that this is a terrible situation alone.

01:16:17.820 It is. Actually, I'm here to say, but God is at work today and it is in your valley that God can

01:16:25.160 find you and you can be changed and you can be strengthened and you can be transformed by the

01:16:29.880 grace of God in Jesus Christ. I know not everybody watching this or listening to this is a Christian

01:16:35.320 as I am, but I am daring to do something, Megan, whether one agrees with me or not, that very few

01:16:41.080 people do. And that is believe in men. I don't just want to critique them. I want to put an arm

01:16:46.700 around their shoulder and say, you can change. You can grow. There is hope for you. But that's

01:16:52.400 a revolutionary message today. What do you, what do you think is the difference between what you think,

01:16:58.440 what you see as masculinity and what society is telling us masculinity is today?

01:17:05.060 I think fundamentally, I hear a biblical text like 1 Kings 2, 2, where David says to Solomon,

01:17:13.160 be strong and show yourself a man. And I hear in that really what manhood is called to be. You're

01:17:19.780 called to be strong in God. You're called to be strong against evil. You're a strong force in our

01:17:25.320 culture today, Megan, against evil, though not a man. But that's what men are called to be,

01:17:29.580 strong against evil and strong for the good. And I'm thankful there for you as well. In a common

01:17:34.260 grace sense out there in the public square. But that's what men actually have to lead in being,

01:17:39.520 not to the exclusion of women, but men are called to be strong. And that speaks to even what we were

01:17:45.100 talking about a few minutes ago. Boys don't grow up wanting to be weak. Boys grow up wanting to prove

01:17:50.380 themselves. Boys grow up wanting a test. But our culture has taken that away from boys and men.

01:17:56.260 Our culture has trained boys and men that where you want a cause greater than yourself,

01:18:02.140 you're acting out your toxicity. And that's the rub. That's the rub. Our culture sees strong men

01:18:09.060 as the problem. And I see, and I would argue the Bible sees, strong men as the solution. Not to the

01:18:16.060 exclusion of women, but that's the key. If you get men to lead themselves, then they're going to take

01:18:21.560 responsibility. If you get men to lead a home, a family, then the children and the wife is going to

01:18:27.300 flourish, at least in position to. If you get men to lead in churches, those churches will be protected

01:18:31.800 and strong. If you get men to lead and be strong in the culture and society, then everything's

01:18:36.420 better. But here's the thing. Our culture is saying strong men are the problem. And that means,

01:18:41.800 as Jordan Peterson and others have pointed out, that evil men aren't going to go away when all men

01:18:46.460 become soft. Evil men are going to multiply and there's going to be no one to face them down. So we're in

01:18:53.660 dangerous times and we've got a lot of work to call men up, to call them to become something greater

01:18:59.560 than they are in themselves. I worry about the younger generation a lot because I went to this

01:19:06.160 Turning Point event in July with Charlie Kirk and met a lot of young college students, in particular

01:19:12.140 young women, who were alarmed at the lack of strong men their age, at the number of, I jokingly said

01:19:21.300 later, man buns coming into their social circle, you know, guys who don't want to even look like

01:19:26.980 men, nevermind act like men. And I don't understand how you would be attracted to that. And they're

01:19:32.600 not. These women were not. I mean, they're looking, they don't need, you know, somebody to date my

01:19:37.940 references straight out of the film Porky's to come and be their male partner, but they need a man.

01:19:43.640 And then I look around at the women my age and I see so many examples of men who are strong

01:19:50.040 in so many different ways, you know, who are smart, who are kind, who are, who are caretaking

01:19:55.040 toward their wives, could be in the financial department, could be in a totally different way,

01:19:59.000 could be intellectually. They're stimulating and they're challenging and they, you know,

01:20:03.520 make the woman think and they press her to be, you know, smarter and better and her best self,

01:20:07.800 all those things. I could think of a million of them, but I don't think we're having as much the crisis of like,

01:20:13.640 I can't tell who's the, who's the man in the relationship. We're not having as much of that.

01:20:19.320 So I, like, I don't even know. These men are being told that to lean into true manhood and

01:20:24.540 masculinity and strength is to make themselves toxic and unhirable and undateable.

01:20:32.280 That's exactly what they're being told. And they're receiving that message. That's what you

01:20:36.740 have to understand. And that's why this book is challenging strongly men to kill their sin,

01:20:43.640 in Christ and change by God's grace. But it also, as I said earlier, is putting an arm around

01:20:49.700 these young men that you're talking about it just a minute ago and saying, Hey, I know you've been

01:20:55.120 targeted. I know you have no idea what it means to be a man. I know a lot of you out there, speaking

01:21:01.020 of the broad, massive young men, you're from divorced homes. You're from broken homes. You didn't

01:21:06.660 have a dad literally in the home with you. Or if you did have a dad in the home with you,

01:21:11.220 he may very well not have said a blessed word to you about what it means to be a man.

01:21:16.280 So you can't, you can't go full kind of Bobby Knight basketball coach and, and just blister men

01:21:22.600 today as if they're idiots and goofballs, just as the culture says they are. You, you call men out.

01:21:28.600 They need shepherding and changing and correcting. Absolutely. But ultimately what you're trying to do

01:21:33.960 is help them. You're trying to help them be strong. You're trying to help recover what it means

01:21:39.820 to be a man, to look like a man, to dress like a man, to present themselves like a man,

01:21:44.840 to carry themselves like a man, referencing Peterson again. That's why so many young men

01:21:49.640 have flocked to Jordan Peterson. As I read him, he's not a, he's not a Christian. So I can't

01:21:53.960 ultimately point to his ideas, but he has stood for a lot of things that are lost. He's dapper.

01:21:59.880 He speaks clearly and authoritatively. He's got a presence about him. Boys and men are craving

01:22:06.860 that father figure. They've lost it in their actual context. And that's a, that's a tragedy.

01:22:12.860 You know, it's funny. I think about my own relationship with my husband and he's, um,

01:22:17.140 he's, he's from the mainline Philadelphia and he's Presbyterian. So he's aloof,

01:22:21.860 but I always describe him as the perfect amount of aloof, but I'm joking about it. It's true. And

01:22:28.740 it's something that I like that it definitely works for me because he's not overly emotional.

01:22:34.120 I didn't want somebody overly emotional. I don't find that attractive in a man. I, I need to be

01:22:40.220 the crier. I mean, I've been with Doug for, I don't know, together 17 going on 18 years. I've only

01:22:46.900 seen him even tear up twice and once was at the death of his father. Um, I like that. I don't like,

01:22:53.840 so how do you thread the needle between raising a boy or finding a man who is empathetic to people's

01:23:00.900 pain and to tragedy and loss, but is not a blubbering male version of a teenage girl.

01:23:10.860 I completely agree with you about men, not being women, not just in terms of their body,

01:23:16.420 because there are only two sexes that God has made male and female men and women, but also

01:23:21.500 there's been a little bit of discussion about that recently. Thanks to you. So good job.

01:23:26.880 But, um, but also in terms of how men actually live and present themselves, that's huge. Um,

01:23:32.680 we need to have boys understood that it's understand that it's good to grow up and be

01:23:37.080 a man and be a gentleman even. Yeah. He puts his boots on, you know, and gets dirty or whatever,

01:23:41.800 you know, on the weekend and the driving around in the mud or whatever, but he also knows how to be

01:23:45.980 a gentleman. And the same is true for girls and women. Of course, ultimately for me, as a Christian

01:23:51.640 standing on the Bible, this goes to Jesus. Jesus was not one thing. Jesus is presented as one thing

01:23:57.680 in a lot of churches today. And this is part of why I think men fail to connect with Jesus.

01:24:02.340 They hear about only one side of him. Jesus is both tough and tender in the Bible. Jesus is the one in

01:24:09.680 Matthew 19 in the new Testament who calls little children to himself and basically treats them with

01:24:15.480 affection and kindness. And his disciples are like, don't bother Jesus with these kids. And Jesus is like,

01:24:21.120 let the little children come to me. That's what, that's what a strong man should be. He's kind.

01:24:26.460 He's warm. He's gracious. He's fun. There's a sparkle in his eye. Um, but, but Jesus was also

01:24:32.420 tough. He made a whip of cords in John two, and he chased money lenders, uh, money changers,

01:24:38.740 marketeers out of the temple. And so Jesus isn't one thing. He's many things. He's strong for us.

01:24:45.360 He dies on the cross for our salvation. So he looks weak there, but in reality, he's being strong for us.

01:24:50.960 He's doing what none of us can do. He's washing our sins clean. That is a picture. I believe Megan

01:24:56.500 of what men are called to be men aren't one thing. Men are tough. We are the ones who give our wives

01:25:03.500 space to be emotional. That's what women should be at some level. Honestly, that's how women are

01:25:08.920 wired. They're nurturers in a way that we're not makes us beautiful. It is, but we're also called to

01:25:14.820 be tender men and, uh, you know, get down on the floor and have a tea party with our little girl or

01:25:19.140 wrestle with our boy, you know, and not break his arm. So we're, we're many things.

01:25:24.580 Well, how, what role do you think the me too movement has played in all of this? Because,

01:25:29.680 you know, I've said before, I really think like the overreach of that movement has done some real

01:25:35.900 damage, not to say that the beginnings of it didn't do some good, just, you know,

01:25:39.440 you shouldn't have to sleep with your boss to get in a promotion at work to put it very simply.

01:25:43.640 Um, but I do like, I think about beyond me too, uh, in the workplace setting, you know,

01:25:49.340 on the college campuses now you, you have to get a permission slip before you try to kiss a girl,

01:25:54.560 you know, nevermind go beyond kissing. Like it, these guys are, they're terrified. And that is

01:25:59.620 part of manhood, the desire for a woman, you know, that's kind of why the way that we keep the human

01:26:05.960 race going, but they're being shamed out of it. They absolutely are being shamed out of it.

01:26:12.280 And what we have to do is recover a proper training of boys and young men. And you need

01:26:18.920 fathers in the mix here. That's a, that's what's missing from so many of these conversations is

01:26:24.280 engaged, involved fathers. Boys have no idea. Honestly, most boys, some boys have a little

01:26:32.140 bit of game, maybe even strong game, so to speak, but a lot of boys need coaching and how to even

01:26:37.300 approach a girl, let alone use verbal communication with her. When they are in those teenage years,

01:26:43.300 there are a few things more terrifying than try to win a girl's heart. And so young men and boys

01:26:49.460 need coaching in these kinds of areas, but they're not, they're not getting it anymore. And where they

01:26:55.020 do, uh, approach the opposite sex, uh, and, and try to talk to a girl or build a connection with her.

01:27:01.720 And, you know, let's say even the college years to situate it there when a lot of young men are

01:27:06.360 starting to have that desire to, to marry even in due course. Um, they're, they're terrified that

01:27:12.940 even showing interest in a girl is going to be labeled toxic. So this is why it is so essential

01:27:19.600 that we have fathers teach these things and, uh, fathers and mothers both teach young women that it

01:27:24.500 is a good thing, uh, for these kinds of things to happen as God leads and allows. And this is also

01:27:29.600 why we need churches, by the way, this is why you need contexts where you can raise and disciple

01:27:34.560 boys into young men and young men into men and preserve these places where it's okay to be a man,

01:27:41.740 not even okay, but good to be a man. But, um, if you, if you weaponize all interactions between the

01:27:48.960 opposite sexes, um, you're only going to make this terrible, not just for guys, but for girls alike.

01:27:55.020 And that's why the war on men, this book, people are going to think, oh, you're writing a book for men.

01:27:58.880 I am writing a book for men. I'm also writing a book to try and help women because women are the

01:28:03.880 ones who, who, you know, struggle and suffer the most when men embrace that plastic life on a screen

01:28:10.340 and live an artificial life. Yeah. That gosh, that is so true. I was just thinking

01:28:15.260 about the effect that online pornography is having on, on men in the same way, like used to be a man

01:28:24.200 would have a desire for a woman and he'd have to learn how to woo her, how to, you know, swoop her

01:28:30.760 off her feet. And, and that was something that was worthwhile. And then ultimately when they, you know,

01:28:36.200 got in bed together, it would be magical potentially. Now it's like this weird, disgusting,

01:28:42.800 false version of what, you know, sex is and a relationship is that can be the very first

01:28:49.240 introduction young boys get to sex, thus coloring their entire picture of the whole ball game in a

01:28:57.700 way that's very damaging. Yeah. You don't have to live with a woman. You're viewing on pornography

01:29:05.880 in an understanding way. That's in the new Testament of first Peter three, the Bible calls

01:29:10.200 every man Christian man to get a PhD in understanding womanhood. And it is, it is a

01:29:16.120 lifelong degree system as I'm finding out myself married to a lovely, wonderful woman, uh, uh,

01:29:22.580 almost 18 years in who never fails to surprise me and delight me. And I'm trying to figure some

01:29:27.520 things out and, and I fail to live with her well. So there's this relationship of forgiveness and

01:29:32.520 growth and maturity. And it is not a boring or dull pursuit, but if you reduce a woman,

01:29:38.960 especially a woman you're, you're sexually interested in to pixels on a screen or whatever,

01:29:43.060 you don't even realize how much that is deforming you. It's not just that it's wrong,

01:29:47.200 sinful to look at that woman naked. Who's not your wife. It is that you're, you're learning to treat

01:29:53.480 her effectively as a wife and you don't have to do any death to self. You don't have to do any

01:29:59.460 listening. You don't have to practice any empathy. You don't have to hug her and, and pull her close

01:30:05.100 when she needs that. You don't have a honey do list. You don't have anything except honestly,

01:30:10.220 this is a strong phrase to say, but a virtual sex slave, that's what you have. And that's what

01:30:15.720 our culture is selling men. That's what our culture encourages men to embrace. And that's what I am

01:30:21.520 altogether dead level against. I believe that most young men, not all, but most young men need to win

01:30:28.820 an actual flesh and blood woman's heart. And it's not easy. It's not boring. It calls for a lot of

01:30:36.680 growth and maturity and repentance on our part as men and also the part of women, but that's God's

01:30:42.460 design. And that's for God's glory. One man, one woman for life. Yeah, I guess so exactly right. I worry

01:30:49.660 so much because it's like, that's not real. You know, that's just not a real relationship in any

01:30:57.020 way, shape or form. And also all the studies have shown that you spend all this time looking at

01:31:01.820 internet porn and you're not going to be able to achieve orgasm when you're actually with a partner.

01:31:06.560 It's going to change the way you perform. It's going to undermine your ability to perform.

01:31:10.060 Do you really want that guys? Is that worth it? Like, cause that's, that's a real game changer,

01:31:14.640 not to mention that could interfere with your ability to have children, all the stuff. It's

01:31:19.100 just so many risks in going that route. So, all right. So consider going to, I mean, for us,

01:31:25.860 it would be mass or services on Sunday, but like, so bring religion back into your life. Fathers try to

01:31:32.600 be more present though. The data show that a lot of fathers are more present now than they ever have

01:31:37.020 been, you know, obviously we still have a problem in the black community of absentee fathers and,

01:31:42.200 you know, not even being in the home at all. That's just a truth and something that we need

01:31:46.360 to deal with as a society. But what do you think, like, what else can people do and what,

01:31:50.880 what else can parents do in trying to, you know, raise strong men without creating toxicity and

01:31:56.340 without, you know, like they have to function in this world. Yeah. Yeah. There's all kinds of things

01:32:02.640 we need to do. We need to recover just fundamentally understanding the goodness of being a boy or

01:32:09.000 being a man. We need fathers and mothers who articulate that to their sons. Uh, we need homes.

01:32:15.940 This is, this is, this should be the most bipartisan issue. There is Megan. This should be the most

01:32:20.820 bipartisan issue. There is, uh, addressing fatherlessness and the need to help boys and

01:32:26.780 girls alike in these kinds of homes that should bring people together from all sides of the aisle.

01:32:32.080 It's not currently doing that, but fundamentally, if we would tackle that issue of fatherlessness,

01:32:37.060 that would be a massive help to our society. We also need, uh, men to step up in their communities.

01:32:42.900 We need men to continue being teachers and coaches and pastors and all sorts of, uh, you know,

01:32:48.620 authority figures. We need men to be strong. We need men like Jacob Alvarado in Uvalde, Texas,

01:32:55.080 uh, who a year ago when there was a public, uh, shooter in a school, uh, did not heed the call to

01:33:02.060 stand down, but instead grabbed a big shotgun and went in and defended and protected a ton of little

01:33:08.800 kids, precious children made in God's image. And a lot of adult teachers as well. We need that kind

01:33:14.260 of man, Megan, because our culture is saying to men and to boys in general, step back, lean back.

01:33:20.760 And our culture is still saying to women, lean in and take the reins, fight with your man and

01:33:26.640 overcome him. In the Bible, there's no fight between the sexes in God's design. This crops in

01:33:32.700 because of a real historical fall in Eden, but that's not the way God wants it. God wants men to

01:33:38.620 step up and put their life on the line for women and children. So again, when we train our boys to do

01:33:45.440 this in all sorts of ways, in all sorts of contexts, it is not just men who will benefit. It's women and

01:33:51.420 children who will benefit, but this requires us to build communities and homes and churches and

01:33:58.560 societies where men are not considered toxic. We have to reject that in some in total and where we

01:34:05.820 train boys to see that their God-given wiring needs to be changed and shepherded, but it's good wiring.

01:34:12.400 So we've got a lot of work to do. Good news, though, the grace of God is sufficient for these

01:34:17.900 things. I'll tell you, having a community that helps really does make a difference. You know, we left

01:34:24.820 this extremely woke community in school on, you know, the Upper West Side of Manhattan. And now, I'll give

01:34:31.980 you one example. So now we love our schools. And at our boys' school, my one boy was on the team the

01:34:39.600 other day at a practice, and one of the boys had his shorts pulled up super high, like really high,

01:34:45.800 or he's showing a lot of thigh. And the coach said to him, do you have a sister? And he goes, yeah. And

01:34:51.320 he goes, give her her shorts back. This is amazing. That's how it used to be, right? A little gentle

01:35:01.180 nudging by other strong men to let the young guys know these are the lanes. These are the alleys that

01:35:09.020 we have to stay between. Yeah. And that's most of the work that we do as fathers and men and

01:35:15.160 authority figures in boys' lives. Most of it isn't yelling, level 10, red-faced. Most of it is what

01:35:22.240 you said. That's a great term, nudges. It's little comments. You see this, you mentioned man buns

01:35:29.340 earlier. I'm very glad to go on public record about man buns as I despise them and see them.

01:35:34.020 I see them against the way God made men. Men aren't supposed to look like women. You're supposed

01:35:39.360 to have long hair. I'm not supposed to have long hair, I believe. And I believe there's a real

01:35:43.000 goodness in letting you be a woman, letting my wife be a woman, letting me be a man, letting my son

01:35:48.600 live into manhood. My son is influenced, all these boys are, by the short shorts thing. And I know they

01:35:55.380 did it in the 80s, Megan, but I'm just trying to be a voice, a humble little voice in the wind saying,

01:35:59.900 let's go a little more 90s in that respect. Let's have some baggy shorts. We don't need these super

01:36:04.080 short shorts, but I know I'm marching into the teeth of the culture in a lot of respects here.

01:36:10.860 It really is amazing. It's not for me, but yeah, I've always said I want to be the pretty one.

01:36:16.040 I should be the pretty one in the relationship. That should be a hardcore rule. I mean,

01:36:19.720 it's not that Doug's not attractive. He's a very good looking man, but he's not pretty.

01:36:22.740 And I wouldn't recommend marrying a pretty man. It's so nice to meet you. All right. So once again,

01:36:27.420 I want to make sure that the audience knows it's called the war on men, why society hates them

01:36:31.680 and why we need them. And it's been a pleasure meeting you. Oh, and thank you so much for coming

01:36:36.760 on. Thank you so much for having me. Great to talk with you. Yeah. All the best. I just want to tell

01:36:42.360 you that I'm not going to be, I'm not going to be here tomorrow. I'm taking the day off because

01:36:48.240 my friend died over the weekend. Totally unexpected. 46 year old mother of two young boys,

01:36:56.600 beautiful wife. We don't know what happened yet. She died at home. Um, and I'm, I don't want to

01:37:02.740 get ahead of her family and the eulogy and the service, but that's the reason I'm, I'm taking

01:37:08.360 the day off. And it just is a reminder as with any loss, hold your loved ones near, make sure you look

01:37:15.240 around that you are living the life you want to be living. You know, that God forbid God called your

01:37:21.100 number tomorrow morning. You were okay with the way you were in this world, your relationships,

01:37:27.420 your core relationships. You would said the things that you needed to say, you know, if you need the

01:37:32.060 reassessment on how you're going through life, this kind of thing can do that for you. It's doing it

01:37:38.760 for me right now. And for once I'm relieved, you know, that I, I look around and I've set my life,

01:37:43.820 my life up to be with the people I love the most. I hope you've done the same.

01:37:47.600 I hope, you know, I'm thinking about you. I'm grateful to all of you for helping me do that.

01:37:52.100 If it weren't for you, I couldn't be doing this. Uh, but if you could spare a prayer from my friends,

01:37:57.520 her husband and her boys, I sure would appreciate it. Thank you all so much for listening.

01:38:02.360 And I'll be back on Wednesday.

The Megyn Kelly Show - October 02, 2023

Garland's Tears on 60 Minutes, Trump Back in Court, and the War on Men, with Dave Rubin and Owen Strachan ｜ Ep. 639

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