The Megyn Kelly Show - George Clooney Wants Biden Out, Nancy Pelosi Wavers, and Elites are Panicked, with Glenn Greenwald ｜ Ep. 833

00:00:00.480 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:11.860 Oh my lord, buckle up. Hi everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:17.180 We are starting today with the five alarm fire back on in the Democratic Party just as the flames

00:00:22.800 were starting to dim. And Nancy Pelosi throws gas on the embers. Two days ago, President Joe Biden

00:00:31.160 insisted he's not going anywhere and that he is, quote, firmly committed to staying in this race,

00:00:35.880 to running this race to the end, and to beating Donald Trump. But then, Cook Political Report,

00:00:42.360 which has been called the Bible of the political community, came out with a truly dire story

00:00:48.780 on the actual state of this race for Democrats. They look at all the polling so far, they look

00:00:55.200 at prior elections, how they were forecast, how they landed, and they have an absolutely terrible

00:01:02.720 prognosis for the Dems, which we'll get into in a minute. They made major changes to their electoral

00:01:09.140 college rankings and ratings for each candidate, moving three toss-up states now to lean Republican,

00:01:17.840 including Nevada, all right? Arizona, Georgia, the other two. Arizona, Georgia used to be reliably

00:01:23.060 red. They haven't been. So the fact that they were toss-ups was not great. But now they're back

00:01:30.040 to lean Republican. And Nevada, Nevada now, which had been Harry Reid's state, he had gotten those

00:01:36.920 unionized workers out election and election again. And then the apparatus he built did the same for

00:01:43.200 Democrats to follow, is now lean Republican. And I have to say, I think that might be understanding

00:01:49.320 Nevada. Trump's doing great, Nevada. Biden won those states by narrow margins in 2020. Cook moved

00:01:56.240 Minnesota and New Hampshire from likely Dem to just lean Dem. Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin

00:02:06.280 remain a toss-up, with Cook concluding that Pennsylvania, which is a must-win for President

00:02:13.100 Biden, is now the most vulnerable toward a flip in Donald Trump's favor. Pennsylvania. I don't think

00:02:20.320 there's another state that President Biden has spent more time in either, at least certainly not

00:02:24.340 recently. These are all changes Cook Political says happened because of that debate debacle. They walk

00:02:31.840 you through it. It's a fascinating analysis. We're going to go in depth. Then, on the heels of that

00:02:36.640 this morning, Nancy Pelosi goes on the president's favorite TV show, Morning Joe, to deliver this. And I

00:02:45.460 want you to listen. Listen when the reporter asks her direct questions. See if she says yes. Okay, they're

00:02:54.220 very simple questions he's asking her. Very simple. See if she just answers them with a yes or a no,

00:03:00.380 and listen to what she says if she doesn't say yes or no. Let me ask you about the current moment.

00:03:06.340 Does he have your support to be the head of the Democratic Senate? As long as the president had

00:03:10.200 the president, it's up to the president to subside if he is going to run. We're all encouraging him

00:03:16.640 to make that decision because time is running short. I think overwhelming support of the caucus,

00:03:26.560 because it's not for me to say. I'm not the head of the caucus anymore. But he's beloved. He is

00:03:33.640 respected. And people want him to make that decision. He has said he has made the decision.

00:03:40.260 He has said firmly this week he is going to run. Do you want him to run? I want him to do whatever

00:03:46.480 he decides to do. And that's the way it is. Whatever he decides, we go with. Let him deal

00:03:52.940 with this NATO conference. He is the host of it. And that means not just hosting. It means

00:03:59.020 orchestrating the discussion and setting the agenda. And he's doing so magnificently.

00:04:04.900 And I've said to everyone, let's let's just hold off whatever you're thinking. Either tell somebody

00:04:13.580 privately, but you don't have to put that out on the table until we see how we go this week. But I'm

00:04:20.140 very proud of the president. Wow. It's up to the president to decide if he's going to run.

00:04:26.000 Time is running short. Again, just two days ago, President Biden sent a letter to Nancy Pelosi and

00:04:36.660 all of her fellow Democratic colleagues saying he is firmly committed to staying in this race to the

00:04:42.440 end. He said explicitly the same to George Stephanopoulos. He said the same to the Democratic governors with

00:04:49.180 whom he met last week. Let's see. It's up to the president to decide. And when the anchor says

00:04:55.800 he did decide, he says he's made the decision, he's firmly in it. He's going to run. Do you want

00:05:03.460 him to? Not a yes. In either instance, does he have your support? She doesn't say yes. Do you want him

00:05:11.160 to run? She doesn't say yes. I want him to do whatever he decides to do. That, my friends, from a very

00:05:19.660 smart and savvy political negotiator, no one can say she isn't, is extremely telling. This is

00:05:27.680 important and it's probably the beginning of the end. Joining me now is Glenn Greenwald. He's host

00:05:33.740 of Rumble's System Update and a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist. Glenn, welcome back to the show.

00:05:40.020 And no sooner does she do that than, I mean, a man whose name has been dropped repeatedly as a

00:05:47.200 possible Democratic presidential candidate himself drops a barn burner in the New York Times. And that

00:05:54.060 man is George Clooney, who explicitly says, get out. It starts with, I love Joe Biden. This is the

00:06:02.540 headline, but we need a new nominee. And I'll read you some of the specific passages in a second.

00:06:08.040 Let's start with Pelosi. What do you make of it? I think there's this fascinating dynamic,

00:06:12.700 which is that Democrats, and as you say, Nancy Pelosi is very savvy. She's 84 years old, but

00:06:18.740 unlike Biden, she actually is still quite perceptive and very cunning. She sees what everybody sees,

00:06:24.920 which is that basically Joe Biden has, I don't want to say no chance because you never know,

00:06:29.100 but very little chance to win against Donald Trump. And that not only that, it doesn't appear that he

00:06:34.040 will just lose, but that he will lose in such a way and turn off so many voters

00:06:37.680 that it will jeopardize the thing really, Nancy Pelosi cares about most, which is even

00:06:42.060 the majority in the House and most definitely the majority in the Senate.

00:06:46.260 And so they don't care if Joe Biden is capable of serving as president. If he were ahead and even

00:06:51.740 more senile than he is, they would be fully behind him. What they're concerned about is they all believe

00:06:56.700 that he can't win in November and that he will take down all Democrats with him. That's on one side.

00:07:01.840 On the other side, though, is that you have a politician and Joe Biden is nothing but a

00:07:07.500 politician. He's done nothing in his whole life, but be a politician in Washington elected to the

00:07:12.020 Senate at the age of 29 in the early 1970s, who has spent his entire life chasing the presidency.

00:07:18.180 All he ever wanted was to be president. And now that he has this power in his hands and this title in

00:07:24.340 his hands, and now that all the people who are around him and who control him basically have that

00:07:29.160 power in their hands to the idea that Joe Biden and the people who control him are just going to

00:07:34.780 voluntarily relinquish this power simply because of some appeal to the common good is contrary to

00:07:42.440 everything we know about Joe Biden. He's a narcissistic, power hungry president. And I think 0.95

00:07:47.880 that that's the dilemma that Democrats have is they're trying to gently push him to do what they

00:07:53.300 think he should do. But he's the one who has to give up the power. And the reason why Nancy

00:07:59.040 Pelosi is 84 years old and still on the Hill, the reason why Dianne Feinstein stayed there until she

00:08:03.700 was 91 propped up in a wheelchair, barely able to speak is because these people cling to power until 0.99

00:08:09.580 the very moment that they can't do it any longer. But for her, I mean, you, you listen to her and

00:08:16.780 you're right. I mean, we've said all along, it's not an age thing with Biden. It's, it's an ability

00:08:20.920 thing. It's a cognition thing. I look at Alan Dershowitz. I mean, I love Alan and I listen to his

00:08:25.940 podcast all the time. He's as sharp as they come and he's 85 years old. He could be president.

00:08:32.100 Joe Biden cannot. It's an individual thing. That's just the truth of it. So if just in case people

00:08:37.960 thought maybe she misspoke, maybe that wasn't calculated. She wanted to take it back. No,

00:08:42.320 her spokesperson just released a statement following the morning Joe appearance. It reads as follows.

00:08:47.800 Speaker Pelosi fully supports whatever president Biden decides to do. We must turn our attention to why

00:08:53.020 this race is so important. Donald Trump would be a disaster for our country and our democracy.

00:08:57.060 That's no better. That's, that's, that's equally bad. She's not endorsing a president Biden run.

00:09:04.520 She's ignoring the fact that he is telling everyone he can. He has decided he's staying in the race and

00:09:12.160 she's telling other Democrats just wait until the end of this week, which is exactly what Joe Manchin said

00:09:17.640 earlier a couple of days ago, just wait until the end of this week. We started the show yesterday

00:09:22.480 asking what is the magic about Saturday and Sunday. And we speculated openly it's polls.

00:09:29.380 They're waiting for more data on just how badly the debate hurt, not just Biden. They know it hurt him,

00:09:37.480 but them, the house members and the Senate Democrats. And so far what we're getting Glenn is it hurt them

00:09:46.680 badly. It hurt all of them very badly. And that I'll, I'll, I'll, um, I'll put it in the words of

00:09:53.300 Michael Bennett, who's a Senator from Colorado, a Democrat who was on CNN last night. And listen to

00:10:00.620 how he put it. He was saying Biden is a trouble. Listen to that one. My colleague, Dana Bash reported

00:10:05.820 that you Senator John Tester and Senator Sherrod Brown all said during that lunch that you don't

00:10:10.860 think president Biden can, can win in 2024. Is that true? Well, it's true that I said that. And, uh,

00:10:17.180 I did say that behind closed doors and you guys and others asked whether I'd said it. And that is

00:10:23.540 what I said. So I figured I should come here and say it publicly. Why do you think he can't win in

00:10:28.040 November? I just think the, the, the, this, this race is on a trajectory that is very, uh, worrisome. 1.00

00:10:34.860 If you care about the future of this country, Joe Biden was nine points up at this time. Uh,

00:10:39.960 the last time he was running Hillary Clinton was five points up. This is the first time in more

00:10:44.400 than 20 years that a Republican president has been up in this part of the campaign. Donald Trump

00:10:49.980 is on track, I think, to win this election, uh, and maybe win it by a landslide and take

00:10:56.240 with him the Senate and the house. And we have four months to figure out how we're going to save the

00:11:01.520 country from Donald Trump. And take it with him, the Senate and the house. And that Glenn,

00:11:08.640 just one other soundbite dovetails perfectly with what we're seeing in the reporting from pollsters,

00:11:14.120 from people who watch polls for a living, including, uh, the senior data reporter at CNN,

00:11:19.640 whose name is Harry Enten with this report. Watch. The fact of the matter is you look at the national

00:11:25.300 polling, the generic congressional ballot choice for us. Look at this CNN poll plus two Republican

00:11:30.640 Wall Street Journal poll plus three Republican mom at the university poll plus three Republican.

00:11:35.340 Yeah. Joe Biden may be in slightly worse shape in these particular polls, but the fact is when

00:11:39.880 Biden's down four or five, six points, you can only run so far ahead of Joe Biden at this

00:11:44.760 particular point, at least in the race for the house, it does seem like Republicans are ahead

00:11:49.220 because Donald Trump is so far ahead. What's the Senate landscape? I mean, take a look here.

00:11:53.760 GOP needs just a gain of one for control. If Trump wins and their path is extremely clear because

00:11:59.080 their best chance for a pickup opportunity is in West Virginia, that's a very likely GOP win with

00:12:04.240 Joe Manchin retiring. If Donald Trump wins this election, the race for the Senate for all intents

00:12:09.780 and purposes in my mind is over. So here's the thing, Glenn. They've been saying, let's see how he

00:12:16.620 does at this presser he's going to have yesterday or tomorrow in connection with NATO. Let's see how

00:12:23.720 he does with the NATO leaders. And let's see how he does with Stephanopoulos. That's all a head fake.

00:12:28.440 They needed to buy time to see the polls, which were delayed thanks to the July 4th holiday.

00:12:34.280 The polls are coming in. And no matter what happens at tomorrow's presser or with NATO,

00:12:39.700 NATO, they're going to say he just didn't convince us that he can make the case against Trump. That's

00:12:48.900 what's going to happen. What do you think? Yeah, I just want to underscore the point that you referred

00:12:53.920 to when you mentioned Alan Dershowitz about the difference between age and cognitive inability.

00:12:58.840 I actually debated Alan Dershowitz, I don't know, a month ago or so, six weeks ago or so in New York.

00:13:03.280 He's 85 years old. He had spent the entire day at the courthouse covering the Donald Trump trial.

00:13:10.560 And then he came that night to debate me. He wasn't sleeping. He wasn't in bed. And I had

00:13:15.900 debated him 10 years earlier when he was 75. And other than the fact that it took him a little bit

00:13:19.940 more time to go up the stairs, there was no difference in terms of Alan Dershowitz today and

00:13:24.580 Alan Dershowitz 10 years ago, even though he's much older than Trump, than Biden, he's obviously very

00:13:29.440 cognitively alert as much as he ever was. Trump's not that much younger than Biden, but people don't

00:13:33.820 have these concerns about Trump. And I think what I actually this is what I really think is going on,

00:13:38.280 Megan, is that the issue is not just that people look at Joe Biden and they will never unsee what

00:13:43.620 they saw in the debate, what they've actually been seeing for many years. Only the media is surprised.

00:13:47.860 Americans have known this for many years. I think they see that the Democratic Party,

00:13:52.900 their allies in the media have been lying and concealing and covering up this issue for so

00:13:59.380 long. And I think that's another reason why it's reflecting poorly on the down-valid Democratic

00:14:03.800 candidates as well. It just has a stench of like a cover-up in a way that's very dangerous and

00:14:09.460 deceitful to lie to the public for so many years about the person who has the nuclear codes and what

00:14:14.280 their mental state is. And I think that is part of, it has like a stench of not just concerns about

00:14:20.120 Biden, but a stench of scandal around the Democratic Party, his allies and the media as well.

00:14:26.040 Steve Bannon was on the program the day after the debate and he said, there is no way they're going

00:14:33.540 to lose the House and the Senate without a fight. There's just no chance if they think they eject him

00:14:39.260 and they can save the House and the Senate that they won't eject him. And I realize he controls the

00:14:43.880 delegates and all that, but there are ways of ejecting him. There are ways of having senior party

00:14:48.380 leaders of Barack. I'll forget Pelosi and Schumer and, and Hakeem Jeffries. We're talking like

00:14:54.020 Barack and Michelle and Bill and Hillary go and see him. And it could be something as dramatic as

00:15:00.960 we've got a press conference scheduled for one o'clock. It's noon right now that we're meeting

00:15:06.600 with you. One of us is going out there, either you or we are going to those microphones at one

00:15:12.220 and making a statement about the future of this race. You know, it's up to you,

00:15:15.180 but his hand could be forced. Um, Nate Silver, polling God at five 38 has been making the case

00:15:20.840 for him to step down for a long time, especially post debate though. And, and was saying he's been

00:15:26.300 mentioning that there's this in good conscience, like clause of the promised delegates, which says

00:15:34.280 they have to vote for Joe Biden unless in good conscience, they cannot. And so they could make an

00:15:39.920 argument that they no longer can. There's been a catastrophic event from the time they pledged

00:15:44.080 to support him. That must now change. Anyway, the point is the Democrats are not without a hand

00:15:50.180 to play. And I do believe there, what the weight this week is just to see if they should play it,

00:15:56.820 if they'd somehow gotten lucky and dodged this bullet. And I, and I, so far the data suggests,

00:16:02.320 no, they haven't. Yeah. It's really interesting because the democratic party for all of their rhetoric

00:16:09.380 about how they, and they alone believe in the values of democracy and they are our only safeguard

00:16:14.120 between tyranny and democracy have repeatedly proven, not just in this election, but prior

00:16:19.440 ones that they actually run the party and then extremely authoritarian and anti-democratic way

00:16:24.680 in 2016, when Bernie Sanders had a genuine chance to defeat Hillary Clinton, the DNC intervened and

00:16:31.880 cheated to make sure that she won. And that wasn't me saying that that was Donna Brazil and Liz

00:16:36.080 Warren and a bunch of emails that they cheated. They subverted the democracy. I mean, they absolutely

00:16:42.900 did. And party insiders say it. It's undisputable that that happened. Bernie probably would have won

00:16:47.720 absent that constant cheating in 2020, not something as great, but something very similar. And they're

00:16:53.260 now mentioning this as Joe Biden rants and raves against the democratic elites. A lot of these people

00:16:57.100 are going on TV and saying, Hey, in 2020, you didn't hate the democratic elites because we were the

00:17:02.280 ones behind the scenes who forced everyone out of the race so that you, that none of the vote got

00:17:08.000 divided and you could easily be Bernie. We, the democratic elites are the ones who enabled you

00:17:12.220 to win. So they constantly talk about how they manipulate the politics. They manipulate the

00:17:17.420 elections to get the outcomes that they want. Of course, the Democrats, especially if they believe

00:17:22.560 they won't just lose the white house, but the house and the Senate, meaning their own jobs are going

00:17:26.320 to go to extreme lengths to force Joe Biden out. If he chooses to stay in and doesn't leave

00:17:32.240 voluntarily, they have a lot of weapons, including very anti-democratic ones that they've proven before

00:17:37.400 they're more than happy to use to get the outcome they want. James Carville has been a voice of reason

00:17:43.780 throughout this whole contest. He's one of these, you know, he's of course a lifelong Democrat. He's not

00:17:49.040 a woke Democrat and he's seen what's happened to his party. He's not one of those Democrats who's

00:17:54.160 meandering closer to becoming an independent or Republican. He's a true blue Dem, but he's very

00:18:00.360 critical of what his party has been doing. And in particular, he's been critical lately of their

00:18:05.540 decision not to sub out this obviously infirm man. Here he was reacting to the Cook political report

00:18:13.320 and sought to. Cook moved six states away from Democrats. I watch some of these press conferences.

00:18:19.840 It reminds me of a book they made me read in college called Ship of Fools. A bunch of desperate 0.99

00:18:25.880 people sailing into disaster. I still think I'll stand by my thing that he won't run. But if he does,

00:18:33.380 we're just making a idiotic choice for the future of our country. And I can't help but believe that. 0.99

00:18:40.720 And I, you know, the proof's in the pudding. They're moving states away from us. We're losing.

00:18:45.780 We're not winning. And when we lose, America loses. It's that simple.

00:18:51.060 All right. One more for you, Glenn. Who got Bill Clinton elected? That man right there,

00:18:56.480 James Carville and George Stephanopoulos. They weren't the only two, but they were two

00:19:01.440 important members of the team. And George Stephanopoulos, a young whippersnapper at the

00:19:06.160 time who then went on to become a partisan journalist over at ABC was one, the one, of course,

00:19:13.100 who conducted this interview with Biden on Friday. Very sympathetic to him, but much more sympathetic

00:19:18.320 to Democratic politics in general. His big goal is to have a Democrat remain in the White House.

00:19:23.480 I don't know that he cares that it's Joe Biden. He wants whoever's going to beat Trump. That's pretty

00:19:26.920 clear. And he was, I don't know if I'm going to say caught by TMZ on the street. I actually have

00:19:34.500 questions about whether this was orchestrated by Stephanopoulos himself. But TMZ, let's say,

00:19:41.240 caught up with George Stephanopoulos on the streets of New York yesterday. And here's that exchange.

00:19:48.460 You think Biden should step down? You talk to him more than anybody else have lately.

00:19:53.860 And you can be honest. You don't think he can serve four more years? All right. That's an answer.

00:20:01.940 I don't think he can serve four more years. Now he's come out and said, oh,

00:20:05.060 you know, somebody stopped me and I, I shouldn't have given an answer. I should have just kept

00:20:10.160 walking. I don't know, Glenn. It's not like I cover news. I'm on TMZ. I cover all media sites

00:20:16.800 that cover the media. I don't see George Stephanopoulos being followed a lot. I really

00:20:21.500 don't. The paparazzi aren't so interested in him. It's possible because he just did this sit down.

00:20:25.940 TMZ caught up with him, but I had to put money on it. I would bet you that Stephanopoulos

00:20:30.340 made that happen because it's his way of saying his opinion without saying his opinion. So you got

00:20:35.320 both of the Clinton guys, the Obama guys have been very vocal, not the, not the presidents

00:20:39.700 themselves, but all the guys around them, all those pods, save America's guys have been very

00:20:44.460 critical Biden. So you've got all the staffs of these former presidents who clearly want him out.

00:20:51.300 Yeah. First of all, anyone who's even a little bit in the public eye, like who has a public platform

00:20:56.080 understands that if you say something on the street, of course, there's a big chance you're being

00:20:59.760 recorded. Someone's going to hear it. I mean, someone like George Stephanopoulos,

00:21:04.000 you know, who's been on television for decades now, obviously understands that if someone stops

00:21:08.580 him and he says something, there's a chance that it will leak. I hard to believe that that was some

00:21:12.660 sort of huge surprise for him. I, you know, I think that there's this very interesting other dynamic

00:21:18.460 here, Megan, which is, you know, when James Carville and George Stephanopoulos and all those Clinton

00:21:23.360 people came into the democratic party in order to win, they felt like they had to radically revamp

00:21:28.580 the democratic party. They had to kind of purge the left. You know, they had losses, terrible losses

00:21:33.820 with Walter Mondale and Michael Dukakis and, you know, throughout the nineties. And there was a lot

00:21:38.940 of internal debate inside the democratic party over the last eight years. There's no debate inside the

00:21:44.700 democratic party. These people are completely unified, even the like left wing of the party,

00:21:49.620 the squad that was supposed to be a anti-establishment challenge to democratic party leadership.

00:21:54.520 They're as much in line as anybody, whereas it's the Republican party that has had these vibrant

00:21:59.880 internal debates about ideology, foreign policy, economic policy, Trump, et cetera. And I think in

00:22:04.760 a lot of ways, they've created this atmosphere where Democrats are trained that you do not challenge

00:22:09.980 the leader. You do not question the leader. So to get these delegates who are, you know, the hardest

00:22:15.720 core democratic partisans, the people who get elected as delegates, who have been trained to view Joe

00:22:20.200 Biden as the salvation for democracy to go to that convention and abandon Joe Biden, even knowing

00:22:27.220 that Biden himself is saying, I want to run. I think this like climate that they've cultivated inside

00:22:33.660 the democratic party of unquestioning unity toward the leaders has made a lot of this far more difficult

00:22:39.480 for them. And then on top of that, I think it's important to realize that you have the Clinton people

00:22:43.920 and the Obama people who have never really been close to Joe Biden. There's always been this

00:22:50.580 tension. Even when Biden was vice president with Obama, he felt disrespected by the Obama people.

00:22:55.580 And so a lot of this is like intra-party factions. So if Joe Biden hears George Stephanopoulos or

00:23:02.340 James Carville, or certainly like the Obama people say, you should get out of the race,

00:23:07.040 I don't think he's going to care. In fact, that's going to fortify his will to stay in even longer

00:23:12.480 because he doesn't really like those people. But Nancy Pelosi is a different story. And I think

00:23:16.600 that's why you arise to begin the show pointing to her remarks, because that's the first time that I

00:23:22.360 would say somebody who has the potential to reach Joe Biden has begun to signal in that very coded,

00:23:27.700 but clear way that he should consider stepping down. And she is savvy because if you listen to the

00:23:34.220 whole remarks, she goes on about how magnificently he is handling the NATO summit. And

00:23:42.120 how, you know, I can't get in front. I don't see it. Right. But it, but it's basically,

00:23:47.300 he's handling everything perfectly. And what an amazing president he's been, right? So she's,

00:23:54.900 she's giving him praise. She's building up the ego, but she's quietly sticking the knife in. I mean,

00:24:02.120 that's what's happening there. She knows she has to say all the things to pacify him,

00:24:07.180 but she's setting him up to exit stage left in the process because she's got a whole bunch of

00:24:12.980 house Democrats to manage, even though no, she's not the house speaker. And Hakeem Jeffries is the

00:24:17.500 minority leader in the house right now. She's the most powerful Democrat in Congress. That's the 1.00

00:24:21.780 truth. And she's the leader who's who has more influence in that body than anybody else. Um, okay. 0.71

00:24:28.140 Now we've got George Clooney. Um, this, this point being made from, Oh, this is Charlie sparing who

00:24:35.180 wrote a book on Kamala Harris. Few celebrities are closer with Barack Obama than George Clooney.

00:24:41.140 You can bet he ran this statement about Joe Biden by Barack before it went public. And let's talk about

00:24:47.460 what he's done. I actually was at the white house correspondence dinner when Barack Obama was

00:24:51.440 president when George Clooney showed up. And I mean, the press car was swooning Glenn swooning Clooney

00:25:00.080 showed up. They are tight. Um, okay. I've got to put on my glasses for this. Cause there's a lot of

00:25:06.420 reading. This is, did this just hit before we came to air? I'm assume some ellipses are being used by

00:25:14.800 yours truly. I'm a lifelong Democrat. I make no apologies for that. I've led some of the biggest

00:25:20.060 fundraisers in my party's history. Last month, I co-hosted the single largest fundraiser supported

00:25:25.160 supporting any democratic candidate ever for president Biden's reelection. I say all of this

00:25:30.820 only to express how much I believe in this process and how profound I think this moment is.

00:25:34.320 I love Joe Biden. I consider him a friend and I believe in him, believe in his character,

00:25:38.940 in his morals. In the last four years, he's won many of the battles he's faced,

00:25:43.360 but the one battle he cannot win is the fight against time. None of us can. It's devastating to say it.

00:25:50.060 But the Joe Biden I was with three weeks ago at the fundraiser was not the Joe big effing deal

00:25:56.180 Biden of 2010. He wasn't even the Joe Biden of 2020. He was the same man we all witnessed at that

00:26:03.760 debate. Was he tired? Yes. A cold? Maybe. But our party leaders need to stop telling us that 51 million

00:26:10.920 people did not see what we just saw. We're all so terrified by the prospect of a second Trump term

00:26:16.520 that we've opted to ignore every warning sign. The George Stephanopoulos interview only reinforced

00:26:21.760 what we saw the week before. As Democrats, we collectively hold our breath and turn down

00:26:26.660 the volume whenever we see the president who we respect walk off Air Force One or walk back to a

00:26:31.400 mic to answer an unscripted question. P.S. George, it's not just Democrats who feel that way. We all

00:26:36.380 feel that way. I mean, just your humanity doesn't want to see the president of the United States fall

00:26:39.580 on his base outside of Air Force One, but I'm sure it's particularly scary for Dems.

00:26:44.580 Is it fair to point these things out? It has to be. This is about age, nothing more, but also nothing

00:26:49.420 that can be reversed. We are not going to win in November with this president. On top of that,

00:26:56.540 we won't win the House and we're going to lose the Senate. This isn't only my opinion. This is the

00:27:01.700 opinion of every senator and Congress member and governor that I've spoken with in private. Every

00:27:07.760 single one, irrespective of what he or she is saying publicly. Yet most of our members in Congress

00:27:16.000 are opting to wait and see if the dam breaks, but the dam has broken. We can put our heads in the sand

00:27:21.860 and pray for a miracle in November, or we can speak the truth. It is disingenuous at best to argue that

00:27:27.160 Democrats have already spoken with their vote and therefore the nomination is settled and done. When we

00:27:31.320 just received new and upsetting information, uh, top Democrats, Schumer, Jeffries, Pelosi,

00:27:38.320 and senators, representatives, and other candidates who face losing in November need to ask this

00:27:43.320 president to voluntarily step aside. And then he goes on to say what he thinks should happen. He wants

00:27:49.560 a mini primary because he says the Democrats have an exciting bench and has some proposals in there for

00:27:54.600 the messy, but necessary way to enliven the party and wake up voters. What do you make of it?

00:28:01.320 First of all, Megan, I just have to begin with expressing disgust and indignation because

00:28:08.600 he referenced, for example, the disoriented, confused, lost Joe Biden at that fundraising

00:28:15.520 event that he co-hosted with where Obama was. And this was before the debate, but very shortly before

00:28:21.520 the debate. And you might recall, I'm sure you do, that a lot of people were saying, oh, if you look

00:28:26.660 at these videos, Biden seems totally disoriented and lost and not just the white house, but the

00:28:31.340 entire press court that has been protecting Biden for years came down and said, people who are saying

00:28:37.960 this are right-wing liars. They're disinformation peddlers. They're snipping manipulative and deceitful,

00:28:43.640 uh, portions of video to try and make Joe Biden appear to be something that he isn't, namely a confused

00:28:49.040 old man. And now suddenly, because it's permissible to say it because democratic party leaders want to

00:28:55.480 say it. George Clooney is going back and saying, look, we've all seen all these things over the

00:28:59.860 last several years that we have actually all seen. It's just that those of us who have been saying it

00:29:05.100 have been accused of being liars and propagandists and part of the right wing disinformation machine

00:29:11.100 by saying exactly what all these Democrats are now willing to admit was actually happening all along.

00:29:16.700 And I just can't let it go that this is a huge media scandal that this is the kind of thing that

00:29:24.000 they were doing. They were denying vehemently and attacking anyone who was pointing out the truth

00:29:28.260 only now that will admit that truth months later, because now it's in their interest to do so.

00:29:33.580 That's the first thing. The second thing is, I do think that when Joe Biden is ranting and raving

00:29:40.600 against the elite, there is a part of this that is kind of genuine in him, because even though it's a

00:29:48.080 joke, Joe Biden has been part of the elite for his whole life. He does believe like the self-image

00:29:52.960 that he has is that he's like scrappy Joey from Scranton from like the working class. And I do think 1.00

00:29:58.960 a lot of politicians who come from that way, like Richard Nixon had this, even Donald Trump has this.

00:30:03.520 There's like a resentment toward the elite, especially if the elite attacks them.

00:30:07.120 So when you're reading like about glamorous movie stars like George Clooney and like

00:30:11.220 major Democratic funders telling Biden that he has to get out of the race, I do think there's part of

00:30:16.080 him that feels like I have the people behind me. I'm not going to allow the party elite to override

00:30:21.880 the votes of the people who nominated me. And there is even though the Democratic nomination process

00:30:27.980 was a complete joke, like they didn't allow any debates, they announced they didn't even sometimes

00:30:32.480 allow voting. By their process, Joe Biden is the elected nominee. And all polls show that the vast

00:30:38.760 majority of Democratic voters wanted him to be the nominee. So to have George Clooney and Nancy Pelosi

00:30:43.540 and like big hedge fund managers swoop in at the last minute and say their choice should be denied.

00:30:49.360 There is this kind of real dynamic of elites trying to override Democratic values that I think Joe

00:30:55.940 Biden genuinely is responding to. When back to your first point, they knew they knew the catastrophic

00:31:03.940 event was that the facts revealed were known. He's admitting it in his op ed. He saw it. He saw the Joe

00:31:13.440 Biden of the debate three weeks ago and there was no New York Times op ed. There was nothing. And maybe

00:31:20.340 he's talking about speaking with, I mean, he says, Congress member, governor, every senator. He doesn't

00:31:26.560 say former president, but I'll bet you anything. He had that conversation with Barack Obama. A lot

00:31:31.220 of us speculated about Obama noticeably taking an arm and guiding Joe Biden off the stage at that

00:31:37.080 fundraiser because Barack Obama too is very smart. He's very politically savvy, very politically savvy,

00:31:43.920 and he didn't have to do it. And he knew what that would look like. And it may have been a way of

00:31:49.320 telegraphing how weak Joe Biden was. I'm not saying I'm not saying he would have known exactly how the

00:31:55.620 sequence of events would come thereafter, but it does make you wonder what conversations were had

00:31:59.980 behind the scenes. And what did you do, George Clooney, to save your party from this disaster at

00:32:05.620 the time? You know, and I bet it was long before three weeks ago that Clooney and others knew how bad

00:32:12.480 he was. It wasn't until they could no longer hide it that they started to admit the truth to the rest

00:32:20.320 of us. And to me, that's the story. You know, the idea that the media is pretending like, oh, my God,

00:32:28.000 we were betrayed. We were misled by the White House into believing that Joe Biden was vigorous and

00:32:33.460 mentally adept. And we only learned for the first time that that wasn't true at the debate

00:32:37.920 sickens me to my core. It is such a it's not just a lie, but it's like a lie that insults the

00:32:43.120 intelligence to the public. Because again, the American public has long known this. They've long

00:32:48.140 been saying it. They've all seen it with their own eyes. And I've always said that there may be things

00:32:52.700 that are very complicated or you need a specialized knowledge like economic policy or whatever to

00:32:58.140 understand. But we all have gone through most of us, at least the experience of having an elderly

00:33:03.340 loved one in cognitive decline. We all can see it with our own eyes when it's happening. We don't

00:33:07.980 need specialists or media professionals to tell us what to think about it. So everybody in the

00:33:13.660 country knew that this was going on, including the people in the media and the Democratic Party elite.

00:33:18.320 They just wanted to hide it because they wanted to deceive the public and help get Joe Biden over

00:33:22.760 the finish line only after the debate. But nothing in the debate surprised me in the slightest. Like I

00:33:28.160 thought they might, you know, pump them up with a lot of whatever adrenaline or I don't know if they're

00:33:32.680 using that. But, you know, they get them ready for like 90 minutes. But it didn't surprise me to see

00:33:37.240 Joe Biden like that at all. I've seen Joe Biden like that many times over many years. We all have.

00:33:42.760 But these people, and this is what I'm kind of trying to say, is that for all of their like

00:33:47.020 political savvy and all of their like influence or whatever, they have no credibility. These people

00:33:52.220 are guilty of a major scandal. They all have collaborated together to conceal from us the fact that the

00:33:58.720 president of the United States, the person with the nuclear codes, with the ability to order war,

00:34:02.320 et cetera, is basically senile, is not all the time, but often. And I think that what got exposed

00:34:09.880 was not Joe Biden's mental state because Americans already knew that. I think it was the rotted

00:34:14.420 corruption of the Democratic Party elite and their media allies. That to me is the biggest story.

00:34:20.580 And I think a lot of people are reacting to that.

00:34:23.760 So I'll just tweak what you said a little to give my own opinion on it. I, you know, we also have been

00:34:29.280 covering all of his problems, uh, as exhibited in front of the camera for years, for years now,

00:34:34.980 you know, we don't cover every small thing as if he slips up on a word here or there, we all do,

00:34:40.240 but you know, the, the obvious gaps and the getting lost and the short stares of air force one and the

00:34:46.060 sneakers and the falling and the forgetting that alive people are dead and dead people are alive and

00:34:50.980 all that we covered all of it. But even so I was shocked by what I saw at that debate. It was a

00:34:56.940 game changer. I had never seen him for that period of time, 90 minutes, so unstable and infirm and the

00:35:06.120 inability to keep any thought line, you know, consistent and in logical reasoning form was

00:35:13.440 shocking to me, you know, bringing up Lake and Riley in the middle of his, of his abortion answer.

00:35:19.120 Lake and Riley wasn't, she wasn't pregnant. There wasn't, there was zero tie. We actually have that.

00:35:24.360 Um, we'll, we'll play it for you. Here it is.

00:35:26.620 It's a terrible thing, what you've done. The idea that states are able to do this is a little like

00:35:31.420 saying we're going to turn civil rights back to the states, but each state have a different role.

00:35:36.320 Look, there's so many young women who have been, including a young woman who just was murdered

00:35:40.780 and he, he went to the funeral and the idea that she was murdered by, by, by an immigrant coming

00:35:48.660 in. They talk about that, but here's the deal. There's a lot of more young women to be raped by 1.00

00:35:54.060 their, by their in-laws, by their, by, by their spouses, brothers and sisters by just, it's just 1.00

00:36:01.160 ridiculous. I mean, we took a turn to do Lake and Riley who has nothing to do with abortion 0.87

00:36:07.320 and illegals. And we landed on sisters or raping sisters who then need abortions. I mean, I, I was 0.95

00:36:14.600 shocked. I have, I couldn't believe how really just gone he looked and the facial expression and

00:36:24.220 the paleness, like the, the, the color, the mouth hanging open, you know, I mean, we've all been

00:36:30.820 there. If you have someone you love who gets very elderly and dies, hopefully at a very old age,

00:36:37.260 they do get to the place where they can't keep their jaw closed. But to see that of the sitting

00:36:43.480 president, it was shocking. Even to me, you didn't feel that at all. I totally get what you're saying.

00:36:50.140 Um, but, but I think the reason it was shocking was because they protected Biden from being exposed

00:36:57.500 for that long, a period of time. You know, we see him like at the state of the unit address where

00:37:02.660 he has to read from a teleprompter and the Democrats were so happy. He got through that

00:37:06.620 without like drooling or falling on the floor, but we've seen snippets of it. But the issue is we've

00:37:11.920 never really seen him have to be, you know, the rules of the debate that they wanted, no notes,

00:37:17.280 no teleprompters, no ability to talk to AIDS. He was completely on his own. And it was the first time 0.70

00:37:23.140 we've seen it. But like the thing, one of the things that alarmed me the most was when the

00:37:27.460 special counsel, Robert Herr, it decided that he couldn't prosecute Biden. And the reason he gave

00:37:33.460 for not being able to prosecute Biden was that no jury would believe that he's even capable

00:37:37.680 of forming criminal intent. They would just see him as like this old man with memory problems.

00:37:43.300 So they would think that he hid classified documents at his home, not with malice because

00:37:47.600 he's not even capable of malice, but just because he's so forgetful in his old age that he can't

00:37:51.760 remember anything about where anything was. And then they fought desperately and are still

00:37:55.860 fighting to prevent the video of that, of that deposition or interrogation from being released.

00:38:00.920 And you knew it was because Biden would look absolutely like he did in the debate. So I get

00:38:06.140 what you're saying. Absolutely. And it's, you know, there was a gravity to this moment where everybody

00:38:10.260 was watching. You figured that they would never let him go on stage if he were anything remotely like

00:38:15.460 in that state. But in the few, we've seen many times Biden looking like that just in like snippets

00:38:21.540 and moments. And I guess that's what I'm saying, that it didn't. They ignored those moments.

00:38:26.340 Unlike you and me, those media ignore. That's the difference, right? Like those of us who've been

00:38:31.080 reporting on it saw it go into another gear. But if that were sincerely the reaction from the rest of

00:38:36.720 the media, they would have honestly reported on the earlier stumbles and falls. They, you know,

00:38:41.320 they wouldn't have totally ignored and blacked them out and covered for them. That just shows

00:38:45.300 your point. I think the dishonesty, you, you accurately detect that they are dishonest brokers

00:38:50.820 when they pretend, Oh, I saw it. My, for the first time, I was shocked as opposed to those of us who

00:38:58.540 knew he had serious problems and were only shocked by the degree.

00:39:03.440 Megan, that's the thing. Like when George Clooney mentioned that fundraiser, that was one of the

00:39:08.560 events where a lot of people were saying, if you look at Joe Biden, he was clearly lost on that stage.

00:39:13.840 He had to be let off by Obama. And I agree with you about Obama's motives, but it wasn't just that

00:39:18.940 the people in the media ignored those issues. They did address them, but they addressed them by saying,

00:39:24.000 this is part of the right wing disinformation machine. They called at the white house,

00:39:28.180 they called them sheep fakes and people like Jen Psaki and like all of CNN and MSNBC were on the air

00:39:33.320 every day saying these people are manipulating the videos to make it seem like Biden is not capable.

00:39:39.440 When of course everyone he knows, who knows him knows he is. They had Joe Scarborough

00:39:43.620 in the air making three weeks ago, three weeks ago saying, I spend a lot of time with Joe Biden.

00:39:48.740 He is more intellectually engaged and vigorous and able to process complicated information than I've

00:39:54.240 ever seen him before. This version of Joe Biden is the best. He said that he's more in charge mentally

00:39:59.880 than any of the house speakers over the last 30 years. The level of lying and propaganda they were

00:40:04.900 spewing and attacking people, pointing out the truth, the truth that they're now admitting

00:40:08.180 is is hard to describe. And that's the thing that I keep going back to.

00:40:13.380 So now you've got and I want to talk about a report just broke on Axios about the

00:40:18.480 reaction within Camp Biden as the staffers were watching the debate.

00:40:25.660 The same staffers who are, you know, putting out press releases now telling us, move on.

00:40:31.240 There's nothing to see here. Grow up, you know, breathe through your nose, right? You mouth

00:40:35.900 breathers, right? Like this is the staff behind the scenes, how they were all but passed out

00:40:41.660 while they watched. I'll get into the details in a minute, but first I've got to start with this.

00:40:46.900 Now in the wake of that disastrous debate and keep in mind right now, you know, the White House is,

00:40:50.820 he's all in, he's not withdrawing. And actually he's going to do the second debate too.

00:40:54.140 He's also going to do this. None of that is happening. But anyway,

00:40:58.000 Lawrence O'Donnell, who says he runs a panic free zone over there at MSNBC, like it's Biden,

00:41:04.460 calm down as his colleagues on Morning Joe, Joe Scarborough in particular did a 180 the day

00:41:09.500 after the debate. I never said he was any of those things. He should step down. Now he's gone back the

00:41:14.240 other way. Lawrence O'Donnell says this is the solution so we can have better, more meaningful

00:41:20.880 debates like the one in September. Listen. It will allow the candidates to have as many staff

00:41:27.260 as they want. Join them on the stage throughout the debate and make sure that all of them have

00:41:34.340 microphones. And the candidates should be allowed to turn to their staffs and confer with them about

00:41:41.120 anything at any time in the debate. And we should be able to hear everything they say so we can hear

00:41:48.700 if the candidate has competent or incompetent staff. We could hear the candidate overrule some advisors

00:41:55.500 and say something else. We could watch the candidates actually think and process information,

00:42:02.560 including possibly information that they might not know until a staff member tells them or reminds them.

00:42:09.580 A candidate should be allowed to let staff members actually answer questions for them.

00:42:15.660 Just as the Secretary of State, Anthony Blinken, answers questions on behalf of the president

00:42:20.280 around the world, as has every secretary of state in history. That's the way the presidency actually

00:42:29.420 works. The presidency does not involve oral exams and memory quizzes. The president is allowed to forget.

00:42:39.580 So he's going to show up with a stadium size team behind him. I got, does anyone know anybody got

00:42:48.060 an abortion? I actually, Mr. President, we thought you were going to be able to handle that one. We 1.00

00:42:52.700 didn't bring anybody on abortion. And this is so absurd, Glenn.

00:42:55.400 Okay. So we've had presidential debates conducted exactly the same way for 65 years on television,

00:43:02.620 one-on-one going back to the Kennedy-Nixon debates. But even before that, you know,

00:43:06.360 we celebrate things like the Lincoln-Douglas debates and like these one-on-one debates.

00:43:10.960 This is how we've always held debates. We haven't had like a staff of people behind the person

00:43:15.460 who whispers in their ear or even who overrides them and speaks for them. It's just such a sign of

00:43:20.840 how desperate the situation is for Joe Biden that, you know, one of the few people in the

00:43:25.760 Democratic Party influence ring, which is Lawrence O'Donnell, who still is clinging to the idea that

00:43:29.900 Biden is perfect, wants to radically change not just how presidential debates are held,

00:43:34.540 but how humans communicate. Like, oh, you don't have to answer for yourself. You get to have like,

00:43:38.260 you know, 40-year-old staffers to prove that you're confident because they speak for you.

00:43:42.880 You know, this is just such a sign of hilarious desperation. Imagine what America, you know, 0.94

00:43:46.660 Donald Trump would never allow an aide to speak over him or for him. So imagine having like this

00:43:52.080 debate where Biden has like Ron Klain and all of Joe Biden's staffers behind him and Anthony

00:43:57.460 Blinken. And every time there's a question, they like push him aside and answer for him. Like that's

00:44:02.380 supposed to help Joe Biden. Like Joe Biden to be out there, Hunter Biden. That'd be helpful. Sure.

00:44:07.900 Joe and Hunter answering for him, vouching for what I like a man of character and great values he is. So,

00:44:14.100 you know, I just, I think we're at this stage where it's become a farce. Like it's parody at

00:44:19.620 this point. You know, it's a very serious matter on the one hand. On the other, I confess to finding

00:44:23.880 it incredibly entertaining just because these elites are getting exposed the way Joe Biden got

00:44:30.220 exposed on the stage for what they really are. And by the way, whoever has succeeded in convincing

00:44:36.120 Donald Trump to stay out of the spotlight for two weeks to let the Democrats implode on their own

00:44:40.580 genius, deserve some kind of like Nobel level prize, because that was a miracle that person

00:44:45.760 performed. I don't know exactly who deserves that credit, but it's shocking that they got Trump to

00:44:50.620 do that. But that has been crucial because the Democrats and their media allies are just at war

00:44:55.580 with each other in a way we've never seen. And all they're doing is damaging Biden more and more.

00:45:01.920 And if he does insist on staying on, it's going to be bizarre what they've done. They've kind of

00:45:07.300 created this dilemma for themselves where every day they have to go in and act Biden more and more,

00:45:11.680 even knowing there's a chance that he will be their candidate.

00:45:15.340 Yeah. It's like your, your candidate is going to be one of these two prize fighters.

00:45:19.440 You know, it could be the Russian in the match with Rocky and, uh, but it, you know,

00:45:25.540 you don't really want the Russian, but you're stuck with the Russian, but what you do, what you do to 0.62

00:45:28.840 the Russian all the days leading up to the big fight is you break his leg and then you break his

00:45:34.480 hand and then you blind him and trying to convince your people that you shouldn't send the Russian.

00:45:39.940 But if the Russian goes into the fight, now you've completely hobbled him and he's got to fight

00:45:44.300 Rocky. You know, it's like, there's, it's actually, it is somewhat, I confess, entertaining to watch

00:45:49.580 the whole thing go down. What concerns me more than anything is he's now the sitting president.

00:45:54.260 It would be more entertaining if he were just a challenger, but Biden's now the sitting president

00:45:58.560 and it's provocative. It's dangerous. I do want to make one point about the debate.

00:46:03.100 So Trump has been very smart. I saw something, I think it was, um, Red Steez, Stephen Miller,

00:46:09.320 uh, not the one who worked for Trump, but the other, the commentator, right?

00:46:12.600 I think it was, he had a picture of this guy covered in silver duct tape pressed against the

00:46:19.020 wall back like this. His mouth was taped. His body was taped, you know, as some unidentifiable person.

00:46:24.400 And he jokingly said, whoever in the Trump campaign did this to Trump was absolutely brilliant

00:46:29.660 in the wake of that debate. I can't say anything. And now team Biden's getting aggravated because,

00:46:37.400 you know, they're looking for a rescue, but say something stupid, please. So that all meet all 0.99

00:46:42.100 the media will focus on you, Donald. And he hasn't, he's been remarkably disciplined. And then actually

00:46:48.220 went out there and dropped this nugget at a campaign rally down in Florida last night, sought 24.

00:46:54.040 So tonight I'm officially offering Joe the chance to redeem himself in front of the entire world.

00:47:03.340 Let's do another debate this week so that sleepy Joe Biden can prove to everyone all over the world

00:47:10.340 that he has what it takes to be president. But this time it will be man to man, no moderators,

00:47:17.200 no holes barred. Just name the place anytime, anywhere. I'm also officially challenging Cricket

00:47:25.900 Joe to an 18 hole golf match right here. It will be among the most watched sporting events in history,

00:47:35.280 maybe bigger than the Ryder Cup or even the Masters. I will give him 10 strokes aside. And if he wins,

00:47:43.540 I will give the charity of his choice, any charity that he wants $1 million.

00:47:54.500 And I'll bet you, he doesn't take the offer. And Joe Biden's team promptly responded.

00:48:01.320 We're not doing that. It's a no, we're not showing up to your dumb debate. Actually, 0.99

00:48:07.540 they didn't comment on the debate. They only said, we're not going to show up and do your golf game.

00:48:11.420 We're busy being president. But noticeably, Glenn, they did not take the opportunity to

00:48:16.580 debate him again. Yeah, shocking. I mean, honestly, Megan, like the thing that I never

00:48:22.540 thought I would hear in my entire life is something that you just said, which is you use the adjective

00:48:26.820 disciplined and applied it to Donald Trump. And I have to say like, it actually, it applies. And

00:48:32.500 that's what is so miraculous. Like the one hardest thing to do in this world probably is to convince

00:48:37.460 Trump to stay out of the spotlight, especially when, you know, he kind of has an advantageous

00:48:42.020 position. And they've secuted in doing that. And then even last night, you know, this kind of like

00:48:46.400 posturing of like, yeah, let's go man on man. You know, he's been spending a lot of time like at these,

00:48:51.700 you know, fighting events and, you know, appealing to his face there. And I think he's always understood

00:48:59.280 Donald Trump has that the entertainment value of politics is something that is very,

00:49:04.460 it's a, it's a serious weapon. He, he, his humor is a very, uh, strong, potent advantage that he has.

00:49:12.600 And this is the kind of place. There were moments that were very funny. I'm sorry. Like they weren't,

00:49:18.940 they weren't the nicest moments, but they were funny. We're going to get into some of that,

00:49:21.740 but, uh, very interesting. He challenged him another debate and it was declined by silence.

00:49:26.960 Glenn stays with me. Don't go away.

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00:50:26.020 So we began last hour talking about, um, some defections. We talked about Nancy Pelosi starting 0.90

00:50:37.940 to send some very different messaging about president Biden, not, not explicitly, um,

00:50:43.860 saying she supports him staying in. And we played Senator Michael Bennett, um, becoming the first

00:50:50.040 democratic Senator to publicly turn on Biden saying it's going to lead to a GOP landslide. If he stays

00:50:54.600 in, there have been other senators to let's say sound mealy mouthed about Biden. Senator Chris Murphy

00:51:02.620 this week will be absolutely critical. The president needs to do more. Senator Patty Murray

00:51:07.780 must, he must do more to demonstrate that he can campaign strong enough to beat Donald Trump.

00:51:14.000 Um, there was a report, a tweet by Dana bash, which I mentioned, uh, that not only Bennett,

00:51:18.520 but, uh, Sherrod Sherrod Brown of Ohio, John tester of Montana also told colleagues earlier this week

00:51:24.940 that they do not believe president Biden can win. And we're being told by people like Joe Manchin,

00:51:29.900 just wait, just wait until the weekend, just wait. So what's happening. We can't say exactly,

00:51:36.300 but this, the latest is from Senator Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut, speaking of reporters

00:51:43.560 outside the Senate this morning. Listen, I am deeply concerned about Joe Biden winning this November

00:51:54.000 because it is an existential threat to the country if Donald Trump wins. So I think that we have to

00:52:02.620 reach a conclusion as soon as possible. And I think Joe Biden as the democratic nominee has my support.

00:52:10.940 Okay. It's the same message as Pelosi. He's made his decision. He's told everybody the decision is to

00:52:18.920 run. They just refuse to accept that as reality because obviously they have a different plan

00:52:24.680 that is in the works. And what we are waiting to see is how does that play out? What is the plan

00:52:31.740 when the New York times is anxiety over this is palpable Glenn, where they write, uh, the headline is

00:52:38.720 Democrats panic about Biden, but do nothing. And they mentioned some of those senators,

00:52:44.420 but then they talk about the big meetings that the house and the Senate had on Tuesday saying their

00:52:48.140 strategy appears to be do nothing. At least for now, they're amping up the pressure. It was actually

00:52:54.720 interesting. Joy Reed of all people is pissed off at the New York times trying to stand by Biden. 1.00

00:53:00.460 And here's how she put it. She might not, she might have a point. Stop four. 0.97

00:53:05.900 They seem laser focused on Biden's age and acuity with no headlines on the fact that Donald Trump

00:53:11.020 has been showing serious signs of cognitive decline for years. And we do not know anything

00:53:15.780 from any of his doctors. As the New York, as the new republic's Greg Sargent puts it,

00:53:21.880 one thing that's clear from the Biden age story is this. The New York times knows how to crusade when

00:53:27.480 it wants to. And the New York times is crusading against Biden's mental unfitness for office in a

00:53:33.380 way it's just not doing with Trump. It is noticeable, like sort of in a similar way that like the whip

00:53:38.580 up to the Iraq war was noticeable. Yeah. I mean, not totally wrong about what the New York times is

00:53:44.840 trying to do to Biden. And, you know, yesterday we had comfortably smug of ruthless say it's their

00:53:49.000 impotent rage that you're reading about on the front page of the New York times. They're

00:53:52.960 infuriated that their word is not causing more action sooner.

00:53:58.860 I think it's true of the general media. You know, these cable outlets, these commentators,

00:54:05.120 these activists, these parties, insiders, they really expect that they know everything.

00:54:10.340 They really believe that. And they expect their decrees to be followed. One of the reasons they're

00:54:14.260 so angry at the American public is because the American public has been refusing to listen to them

00:54:18.840 and follow them. I mean, they've been telling the American public for eight years that Donald Trump

00:54:23.200 is an existential threat to democracy. And yet if you ask in polls, Americans, who's a bigger threat

00:54:27.160 to democracy? They'll say Donald Trump or it's 50 50. There's a complete breach between their power

00:54:32.720 and what they think their power should be and what their power actually is. But here's the other thing,

00:54:37.040 Megan. OK, so they obviously are petrified, I believe that, of losing to Donald Trump, but even more so

00:54:44.520 of losing their own jobs in the House and the Senate, losing their majority, which takes away their power.

00:54:48.840 So even if they were to force Joe Biden out, what is their better solution? The problem that they

00:54:56.820 have is they cannot just push Kamala Harris aside because within the confines of the own identity

00:55:04.620 politics rules that they've created, that would be racist and misogynistic. You can't just like push

00:55:09.580 a black woman aside and put a white man like Gavin Newsom or a white woman like Gresham Whitmer at the top 1.00

00:55:16.200 of the ticket that would create a huge revolt among Democratic elites and black leaders and the like. 0.96

00:55:23.100 On the other hand, Kamala Harris, people have forgotten, is honestly, I mean, she's one of the worst 1.00

00:55:29.120 politicians we've seen in a long time. I think she's even more awkward than Hillary and like more unlikable. 1.00

00:55:35.020 She had, Megan, every advantage in the 2020 primary. She had all that California money. She comes from California. 1.00

00:55:40.780 There's massive Democratic donors in California. She had positive press. She was, you know, a black woman. 0.95

00:55:46.620 Kamala Harris is like a smart person. She's like a good, smart lawyer. She's capable of those things. 1.00

00:55:51.760 She's just not a politician. And her campaign was such a disaster that she had to drop out before the first vote 1.00

00:55:57.820 was cast because she was like at three percent or two percent. And the Democratic Party base just had no connection 1.00

00:56:04.200 to her. But she's not a leader of black voters. She's not going to like she doesn't excite black 0.97

00:56:08.200 voters or young voters or any of these fairy tales that they're telling. And Kamala Harris is poison 1.00

00:56:13.580 in sling state. So even if they push Biden out, I don't think they've gotten that far as to think

00:56:20.340 about like, well, what is how is that increasing our chances of winning?

00:56:23.920 Carville suggested Clinton and Bill Clinton and Barack Obama select eight candidates to have a

00:56:31.440 quick mini primary and then hash it out of the convention. George Clooney was kind of suggesting

00:56:37.020 something similar. Here's Trump. Trump, you know, he he sees all of this. Of course, he's watching all of

00:56:43.460 this. And he started to take some some shots at Kamala. He gave her a nickname nickname, which is kind of 0.77

00:56:50.800 like a badge of honor when if Trump gives you a nickname. It was funny. And here he is at that

00:56:57.760 same rally in Florida talking about her yesterday. Whatever else can be said about crooked Joe Biden,

00:57:04.960 you have to give him credit for one brilliant decision, probably the smartest decision he's ever

00:57:09.300 made. He picked Kamala Harris as his vice president. Oh, it was brilliant because it was an insurance

00:57:18.400 policy. Maybe the best insurance policy I've ever seen, Marco. If Joe had picked someone even halfway

00:57:24.980 competent, they would have bounced him from office years ago. But they can't because she's got to be 0.56

00:57:31.020 their second choice. She has no choice and no chance. You know, they are all co-conspirators in the

00:57:37.220 sinister plot to defraud the American public about the cognitive abilities of the man

00:57:43.840 in the Oval Office. Sometimes he's there, not there often. Laughing Kamala, L-A-F-F-I-N apostrophe.

00:57:52.380 Laughing. Laughing. Which is based, don't think we didn't do our homework, Glenn,

00:57:59.180 on moments like this.

00:58:00.480 Laughing.

00:58:17.900 Laughing.

00:58:19.020 Applause.

00:58:19.600 Laughing.

00:58:20.460 Laughing.

00:58:22.240 Laughing.

00:58:22.960 I can first.

00:58:26.580 Laughing.

00:58:27.580 oh gosh it's not just the laugh itself it's that it comes up at these the weirdest most

00:58:35.720 inopportune inappropriate times and yeah so what do you think of laughing l-a-f-f-i-n apostrophe

00:58:45.960 kamala and trump's back of the hand order well first of all you know you see trump there

00:58:52.240 and for any media member in the media or the democratic partisans or whatever who like why

00:58:56.940 aren't people questioning biden uh trump's capacity to serve it's because you just look at him in these

00:59:02.240 rallies like all of that was very funny like the comic timing was very perfect it was that's a

00:59:06.960 difficult thing to do you know like biden's in the oval office well maybe like some of the time he is

00:59:11.560 and you know like the whole thing about his the brilliance of choosing kamala harris so we can't

00:59:15.280 get pushed aside and then this nickname for kamala harris the the problem with kamala harris is 0.83

00:59:20.720 cackling like that is that it isn't even like she's laughing at other people's jokes or whatever

00:59:26.020 she does that when she makes what she thinks is a joke and like nobody else laughs and then she 0.87

00:59:31.580 spends so much time like cackling demanding that you laugh along with her at her own joke it it it

00:59:37.700 i've had people like that in my life i've seen people do that before it's so off-putting and like

00:59:42.740 you know you're like resentful about it that they're like almost demanding that you laugh at their joke

00:59:47.880 it's so it's so alienating and also yeah like it's not like she's laughing at other people she's like

00:59:54.060 look at how funny i am and it's like nothing you've just said is like remotely humorous and

00:59:58.540 and like again like also she like has this posture i always feel like she just walked it out of a

01:00:04.000 board of directors meeting of like aetna or like pfizer or boeing or something you know she has like

01:00:09.720 very corporate posture and every time she tries to like adopt a sort of like more like common person

01:00:16.500 vernacular it just comes off so fake it's like when aoc when she's been swearing lately

01:00:21.200 yeah like you know just aoc offensively uses like black parlance i guess she thinks she's earned that 1.00

01:00:27.040 you know the way hillary clinton used to like use that big southern accent um you know these things 0.99

01:00:32.180 are just important like and and also i think the other important part is that every politician has

01:00:39.320 negative things in their background and because kamala has never really run for major office on a

01:00:44.980 national level but you should run for vice president but it doesn't get that scrutiny there's a huge

01:00:49.840 amount of negative oppo research on her that has never seen the light of day that the republicans

01:00:54.320 now have tens and hundreds of millions of dollars to pour out and i think the fact that she is sort of

01:01:00.800 already behind trump before there's even been any opposition research out against her i just i don't know

01:01:06.560 i think the democrats are so desperate that they're again living in a fairy tale world where they think

01:01:11.720 that either they can just brush her aside and none of their base is going to mind given all the things

01:01:16.020 they've been told about black women and privilege and race and all of that and gender or they're going

01:01:21.840 to go with her and i i honestly would rather i if i were democrats i would honestly rather

01:01:27.540 latch my chances to like a very incapacitated biden than like a cackling kamala harris who only has 1.00

01:01:36.260 four months to define herself to the american public yeah i think they're in denial about or they've forgotten

01:01:41.820 they've conveniently forgotten or made themselves willfully blind to what a terrible politician

01:01:46.520 she is uh i've got to offer this one soundbite of trump to the point i i i preface it with i realize

01:01:53.580 this is not nice but it's everyone i think i know what's coming yes and you know the person trump is

01:01:59.840 talking about here has said the most vile things possible about trump but here's sat 27

01:02:09.240 we're leading in nevada and a waitress came over beautiful waitress and i never like talking about

01:02:15.160 physics she's beautiful inside because you never talk about a person's look ever you never mentioned

01:02:22.340 the other day i got very angry some man called chris christie fat and i said sir and then he said he 0.96

01:02:31.620 was a pig i said sir chris christie is not a fat pig please remember that he is not a fat pig 0.96

01:02:38.240 please take it back and the guy's looking at me like really no we have to defend people you can't 0.98

01:02:43.500 call people fat so i said about nine times he is not a fat pig sir sir stop that this is why people 0.91

01:02:56.260 love him is he has a little bit the insults but just the the funny makes you laugh he takes the most 0.89

01:03:02.760 serious subjects of the day and people in the news and he gets you to start laughing about them

01:03:07.400 i'm sorry if you deny that that's funny you're just not being honest and like also that kind of

01:03:15.380 humor it's like kind of a multi-level ironic ironic humor that takes a lot of mental acuity to do and

01:03:22.300 this is again why i think that this idea of trying to say oh trump's imagine biden pulling something

01:03:27.220 like that off off the cuff or whatever i saw trump do that once before you know when he was he said oh 0.84

01:03:32.880 i just heard a member of the public a member of the crowd called chris christie a fat pig sir that's 0.94

01:03:37.560 not nice don't call chris christie a fat pig and this is kind of like a a version of that and the 0.92

01:03:43.820 reality is is that remember that the biggest voting box in the u.s are non-voters people who just

01:03:49.820 don't care about politics who don't pay attention who don't think it's worth it trump's ability to

01:03:53.840 make it entertaining um but at the same time kind of substantive he taught that's the way people

01:03:59.560 talk in private like that's the reality people make jokes that you're not supposed to make and i

01:04:05.740 absolutely think that's one of trump's big superpowers in politics is he can draw people in

01:04:10.000 and make it entertaining and make people therefore want to listen to him and then they hear the more

01:04:16.060 substantive parts too and in a way that democratic politicians just almost have no ability to do

01:04:21.540 yeah and even the beginning of it is funny too you know like i never comment on the look

01:04:25.640 she was just beautiful on the inside you know you can't comment on somebody's look trump of all people

01:04:29.940 it's just it's amazing the whole thing is amazing all right so back to this the despair inside the

01:04:36.560 white house on the day on the night of the debate because i do think this is kind of telling um this

01:04:40.920 is by axios apparently president biden's campaign staff feel the way all of us do which is they have

01:04:47.740 serious doubts about whether he can even do this job at all there's low morale and disillusionment

01:04:53.760 reports axios and that forced them to have a second all hands on deck conference call in less than a

01:05:01.300 week this past monday this one included democratic national committee staffers too they've been trying

01:05:06.740 to keep these staffers motivated trying to avoid more defections too i guess internally but certainly

01:05:11.700 from donors and from democratic lawmakers and they brought in gavin newsom to say worry less just do

01:05:18.180 the work the campaign chair jen o'malley dillon she's saying we have to bypass the narrative i mean real

01:05:25.320 inspirational stuff and they axios reports the internal follow-up from the debate was made worse

01:05:32.080 by the white house senior leadership not appearing to realize how deeply their own aides were impacted

01:05:37.280 by watching biden's performance at the biden campaign headquarters in wilmington delaware about

01:05:42.240 two dozen biden staffers and pro-biden influencers gathered for a watch party as the president fumbled

01:05:47.360 several answers one person stood up and then laid down on the floor despondent according to a person in

01:05:54.320 the room when the debate's video feed was temporarily interrupted one campaign staffer blurted out

01:05:59.580 oh thank god other others uh watching the debate recounted feelings ranging from shock to anger to

01:06:09.080 sincere concern about the president's health is he okay a biden aide texted another another biden aide

01:06:16.620 said they felt numb and a final biden aide summed it up this way it was in effect the realization of

01:06:23.660 every worst case scenario that picture of the person on the floor you know starfishing glenn like

01:06:31.740 no no is kind of indicative of what's happened every day thereafter and um that leads me to the cook

01:06:41.900 political report in those polls we promised it's bad it's really bad and everyone trusts cook they're

01:06:49.900 not they don't put their thumb on the scale they just want to tell you what's real um they talk

01:06:54.700 first about how the race has been very static for much of 24 where does the race really stand in the

01:07:00.860 wake of this debate they say our new national average shows um okay we looked at national polls

01:07:07.800 a curated average of national polls conducted by 21 non-partisan or bipartisan pollsters that we

01:07:13.020 consider reputable and transparent three initial takeaways it's been a remarkably stable race but

01:07:18.620 biden's post-debate dip represents the biggest polling shift we've seen all year in 2016 polls

01:07:26.340 between hillary and trump gyrated wildly depending on the news cycle and they go through some of the 1.00

01:07:31.200 history by contrast the 2024 race has been locked in an exceedingly narrow trading range with few and

01:07:38.300 fleeting drifts from the default of 46 45 trump uh they say this is mostly because they're both

01:07:44.380 universally known however trump's current lead is now 47 44 so he's up three in the wake of the debate

01:07:53.060 he said they say as as small a drop for biden as it may seem it's the most drastic shift we've seen in

01:08:00.220 the race all year and it appears to be driven almost entirely by independent voters on june 27th

01:08:06.100 trump led with independence 46 to 44 in our average they say by two points today he leads by six points

01:08:13.360 so it was two now it's six most of the partisans have barely moved all the movements been amongst

01:08:20.120 the independents then they go through the black and the latino voters they say trump's current numbers

01:08:25.860 with blacks and latinos are incompatible with any plausible democratic victory scenario they go back 1.00

01:08:33.740 and they look at earlier elections july of 2020 the forecast was biden was 75 points ahead with black 0.73

01:08:42.020 voters the final was biden was 75 points ahead of trump with black voters um now the forecast is

01:08:50.800 uh biden's 50 points ahead with black voters just the forecast which they got right the last time 1.00

01:08:58.780 is 25 points lower with blacks then they talk about latinos last time around latinos there was a 0.99

01:09:08.480 they forecast a 28 point biden advantage it ended with a 33 point biden advantage right now what are

01:09:16.000 they forecasting with latino voters a seven point latino advantage yet another massive fire then they

01:09:26.380 spend some time on younger voters they say biden's numbers with this group were tepid to start the

01:09:30.860 year they've steadily gotten worse um he let's see today our average shows biden leading trump with

01:09:38.820 18 to 29 year olds by five points last time around he won young voters by 24 points if there's a silver

01:09:49.560 lining for biden it's his standing among seniors hasn't moved very much at the beginning of february he

01:09:54.620 trailed with this group 45 to 49 today he trails 46 to 48 my god there's no good news in all of this

01:10:06.140 and it's why six states got moved closer to republican wins than they were before the debate so what effect

01:10:12.820 does this have well obviously democrats in congress are seeing these exact same things and they respect

01:10:20.440 cook as much as anybody probably more so it's kind of like the bible of washington and so i do think

01:10:27.300 after the debate there was a little bit of uncertainty i know i shared it too precisely

01:10:31.900 because people have long already been saying that they know that biden's too old that he's too

01:10:36.420 cognitively declined the only people who didn't know that or who weren't saying that were people

01:10:40.220 in the media and some democrats but the rest of the country was making clear that they already thought

01:10:43.860 that so i thought there was a chance that if they saw the debate it would just confirm for them what

01:10:48.200 they already thought and it wouldn't actually move it but i think the reaction you had is probably

01:10:52.480 similar to what a lot of them had which is like yes i kind of already knew biden was you know incognitive

01:10:57.560 decline but seeing it in that to that degree i think on a stage that important was you know so extreme

01:11:04.280 that it is kind of shocking to see the sitting president just like looking like a docile confused

01:11:10.100 fragile you know senile old man that's that's alarming it's scary it's unpleasant and yet it is

01:11:17.680 true that the polling members haven't moved much it's not like a cataclysmic drop for biden but in

01:11:22.980 these close races you don't need that and also i think what's so notable is like usually and even in

01:11:29.320 the races where democrats have won like or lost like in 2016 they still won the popular vote because

01:11:35.260 there's so many votes in blue states like new york and california to see biden trump ahead not just on

01:11:40.560 the electoral vote but on the popular vote is extremely alarming for democrats and the other

01:11:45.080 thing i think is so interesting megan is that this again shows the big big huge gap between the elite

01:11:51.120 class and media and the ordinary voters which is one of the main gospels about donald trump is that 0.99

01:11:56.960 he's a racist he's a white nationalist he hates black people he hates latino people this is what the media 0.99

01:12:01.740 has been saying ever since he came down that escalator and yet more and more and more non-white 1.00

01:12:06.680 voters are migrating from the democratic party either to the republican party or just not voting at

01:12:11.640 all and if the democrats don't have massive numbers of black and latino voters which clearly they do not

01:12:17.580 it is extremely difficult to see how they can win and then as far as young voters are concerned i do

01:12:22.500 actually think that biden's support steadfast support for arming israel for uh financing israel's war

01:12:29.160 for standing by israel in the war in gaza young people overwhelmingly do not like that war i think

01:12:33.500 that has also created a lot of problems for biden in terms of young people as well and so when you

01:12:38.340 look at it from those demographic uh categories that you just described the picture is so dire that it's

01:12:44.440 not actually surprising why democrats really are getting as desperate as they're obviously getting

01:12:49.540 yesterday we we talked about james cliburn and how important he is because so far the congressional

01:12:55.480 black caucus has been the one very reliably pro-biden group in the congress and they have

01:13:02.480 been in the wake of the debate as well and we played the following soundbite when he emerged from

01:13:06.740 that house democrats meeting it was very strange but here's what he said at the time watch this is

01:13:13.820 yesterday did you speak up in favor of president biden i didn't speak what was the president more

01:13:18.800 people saying biden should step down or more people say we're riding with biden we're riding with biden

01:13:25.800 is that the general consensus in there we are riding with biden everyone we are riding with biden

01:13:31.520 was your vice president of vice president of the kama hours in there we are riding you're still a

01:13:36.720 national convention right coach yes i am the consensus from riding with biden from everyone in the

01:13:42.800 room everyone's riding with biden do you still support the idea of a mini primary

01:13:47.100 you're riding with biden does this complicate the ability of democrats to win back the house

01:13:51.560 the focus on 2025 and you're riding with biden did you reach okay and just in case you didn't catch

01:13:58.440 that national campaign co-chair for the re-election of joe biden uh he had earlier said we'd be open

01:14:03.820 to kamala if the president decides not to run and people took that as whoa he's telegraphing kamala's

01:14:08.240 good but then yesterday it was riding with biden 10 times now this just breaking glenn from the

01:14:14.040 washington post uh representative james clyburn asked uh by jacqueline alemany uh whether joe biden's

01:14:23.440 decision to remain the nominee is final the response was quote i have no idea you need to ask him

01:14:31.780 again what we're seeing here is a little wiggle room from everybody right just a little bit more wiggle

01:14:37.500 room like i don't know if it's final nancy pelosi he needs to decide he already decided he needs to

01:14:43.500 decide blumenthal you know he really needs to make a decision too soon you know but i support him

01:14:48.960 this just happened uh yet another congressman democrat representative pat ryan of new york came out

01:14:54.500 and said uh he needs to step aside for the good of the country it's the same language you've heard

01:15:00.780 from the 11 or so others who have behind the scenes and publicly said he should go he's an

01:15:05.040 trump's existential threat to democracy our duty to put forth the strongest candidate joe biden's a

01:15:10.540 patriot but he's no longer the best candidate to defeat trump for the good of our country he should

01:15:14.000 go blah blah blah blah blah um bit by bit and this is wednesday right we still have thursday tomorrow's

01:15:21.240 oppressor and at the same time all this is happening glenn we're getting leaks more and more leaks

01:15:26.720 about the doctors who have visited the white house the neurological condition of the president

01:15:32.440 and then there was this ditty on nbc we had a doctor on bredesen who i like but who i think

01:15:38.500 is a very pro biden person who was basically saying this is about wisdom versus the brashness of

01:15:47.020 inexperience okay here is a neurologist who appeared on msnbc yesterday and saw it very differently

01:15:56.620 listen i see him 20 times a day in clinics he has just this classic features of neurodegeneration

01:16:02.740 lots of arms swaying standing up lordotically you notice when he turns it's kind of end block turning

01:16:08.280 it's not a quick turn um so that's one of the hallmarks of parkinson's is rigidity and bradykinesia

01:16:14.960 slow movement and he has that hallmark especially with the uh low voices that was a cold hypophonia

01:16:20.900 a small monotone voice like this over time is a hallmark of parkinsonism i could have diagnosed

01:16:27.440 him from across the mall or shuffling gait we call that so little steps uh loss of arm swing from the

01:16:33.300 rigidity when we walk we have a nice cadence you notice he doesn't really swing his arms and end

01:16:37.340 block turning meaning he kind of pivots around his foot if you said hey president biden he wouldn't go

01:16:43.060 like this his motor symptoms are degenerating he has parkinson's that is a fact

01:16:47.660 meaning symptoms of parkinson's that he wasn't trying to diagnose him but he was saying it you

01:16:52.900 know be easy to if i were asked to and had you know examined him and seen these symptoms so it's

01:16:58.600 all you know you see it all coming together the zeroing in on the neurological symptoms the the

01:17:03.100 taking advantage or taking paying attention now to the white house visitor logs and who's been

01:17:06.640 visiting him and when and for what purpose and then the drip drip drip which the biden campaign

01:17:11.380 has done its best to stop from congress saying we need to see more we need to see more yeah i mean

01:17:17.200 could you even imagine you know nbc news putting on a neurologist a month ago to come on and opine

01:17:24.560 that biden seems to have parkinson's you know it's like everything and it shows you what these media

01:17:30.380 outlets really are they're pure propaganda outlets they're pure activist organizations it's it's extreme

01:17:35.360 i don't know maybe i'm focusing on this too much because i think journalism is important i decided to do

01:17:40.460 it you know but it's like one of the most glaring uh like mass dropping moments of what their true

01:17:47.220 function is it's like why was it would it be so shocking for them to put that on a month ago and

01:17:51.900 now suddenly when they're all engaged in the effort to drive biden out of the race for their own

01:17:55.700 political and ideological ends now they're willing to put somebody on like that and you know i put

01:18:01.520 somebody on who was more fair to biden than nbc did in that clip exactly i mean anyone who would

01:18:09.380 have said that a month ago would have been driven out of the public space as somebody who's a crank

01:18:14.020 who's a you know violating their ethical duties as a medical professional or whatever and now he's

01:18:18.840 given a complete platform on nbc news because these media outlets are absolutely intent obviously on

01:18:24.980 driving biden out of the race and it's interesting because in a war between the biden white house and the

01:18:29.660 corporate media it is very hard for me to decide like who to defend and who to root for i kind of

01:18:35.120 hope that they just go to war forever but in this case i do have to say that i do find there with some

01:18:43.280 validity in what the biden white house is saying which is you know you keep talking about how the

01:18:50.520 only thing that matters is saving american democracy i'm the candidate i'm the nominee that the voters

01:18:56.140 i won i won we had an election that you all said was fair and so for george clooney and like nbc

01:19:03.600 executives and like joe joe bill clinton and barack obama to swoop in and override the voters will and

01:19:11.780 decide that actually i shouldn't be the nominee is a total subversion of the things that you claim

01:19:16.680 you're defending and this of course is the mass dropping moment because it shows that none of these

01:19:21.940 people care at all about democratic values what they mean by democracy and saving democracy is

01:19:27.340 that their side wins that's all they mean by that and this is exhibiting that so clearly i agree with

01:19:33.260 you in principle but it's like you know we both have kids can't have this guy commander in chief

01:19:37.720 just can't can't do it cannot have it i know but but that but that i i but i thought that a month ago

01:19:43.100 and i thought that six months ago and i thought that a year ago like that that's what i'm saying you

01:19:47.480 know it's well no i know but i mean like we like that we that's why i'm like yes the press is

01:19:53.020 disgusting and they've been further exposed as we've seen so many times but he needs to go now

01:19:57.520 he needs to go right now he needs to be 25th amendmented right out of congress and by the way

01:20:01.500 the republican house speaker was suggesting that that's they're interested in that too though he can't

01:20:05.620 do it you can't do it with just republicans um anyway there's a new vid i think you've got to go

01:20:10.560 glenn but a new video of him just dropped do you have time to see it or do you have to run

01:20:14.000 yeah yeah yeah like i said i said 130 so yeah it's fine okay um i'm pressing your limit but um

01:20:20.420 here he is joe biden meeting with the executive council of the afl cio and

01:20:28.040 what you're gonna hear for the listening audience is he he's randomly grabbing the mic he starts rambling

01:20:35.840 and then the feed abruptly cuts according to the rnc which posted the clip reporters are then

01:20:42.860 herded out of the room i'm this is my first time seeing it too let's watch

01:20:46.700 and it does more minorities more women more labor i'm serious think about it that's who we are that's

01:21:00.480 why we're strong we're diverse we're strong we've got to stop looking at it like it's no problem

01:21:04.280 i don't know what just happened there but clearly whoever was in control did not want him to have an

01:21:13.080 unscripted moment glenn yeah i mean you know but at the same time because there is now such a

01:21:22.080 concerted effort to push him out i think all these moments like i didn't see anything there that

01:21:26.940 disturbing i have to say it was more like the camera angle and the abruptness of it

01:21:30.740 but i think what's now going to happen is just like they were accusing conservatives of doing

01:21:35.020 a month ago namely that they were taking every event and distorting it to make biden seem more

01:21:39.420 lost and disoriented than he was that's what they're kind of now going to be doing as well

01:21:43.820 i wouldn't be surprised for example of that robert her video suddenly leaks after democrats in the media 1.00

01:21:49.280 have joined to keep it suppressed you're going to see this as you were saying earlier you know they do

01:21:54.080 have a lot of weapons i mean for all the talk about how we live in a democracy

01:21:56.940 the establishment centers of power wield a great deal of authority and influence over our politics

01:22:02.680 they are not just gonna as you said like let the house and the senate be taken away out of their

01:22:08.000 grip without putting up a gigantic fight and that's what we're now seeing play out in front of us and on

01:22:15.160 some level while i say it's entertaining i also think it's illuminating because it really is giving

01:22:20.680 americans a very clear understanding of how powers wield in this country what is actually meant by

01:22:25.760 democracy what all these players really are and it's kind of like a cornered rat which is what

01:22:31.220 these media outlets and democrats are and when rats get cornered that's when they show their true nature

01:22:35.740 and that's exactly what's happening here it's amazing it's amazing to watch the media continue

01:22:41.480 to expose itself oh thank god you and i do what we do my friend great to see you exactly it's always

01:22:49.300 great to see you make great talk to you thanks for having me on thanks for listening to the megan

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The Megyn Kelly Show - July 10, 2024

George Clooney Wants Biden Out, Nancy Pelosi Wavers, and Elites are Panicked, with Glenn Greenwald ｜ Ep. 833

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