The Megyn Kelly Show - October 11, 2026


Get Healthy, with Dr. Casey Means and Dr. Mark Hyman

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00:03:10.380 I'm so excited to talk to Dr. Casey Means.
00:03:14.560 Now, this book has been out for a couple of months, but I confess I had not heard about it until my pal Tucker Carlson had Casey Means on his show.
00:03:24.180 And then I listened almost with bated breath to the interview.
00:03:28.800 I could not believe some of the things I was hearing.
00:03:31.620 Some I had heard before, but they were expanded on in very easy to digest ways.
00:03:35.980 And by the way, speaking of Tucker Carlson, I was with him last night in Kansas City, Missouri.
00:03:39.840 And we had just a chat on this sort of open tour he's doing with a bunch of folks across several cities, and it was super fun.
00:03:48.140 I think he'll be dropping that as a podcast today, if memory serves.
00:03:51.740 But I'll just want to say before we get started, what a great way for two, like, ex-cable newsers, right, ex-TV newsers to get back together on our own terms as independent broadcasters and be able to talk about anything.
00:04:10.540 Totally liberating.
00:04:12.240 It's just more validation that I'm in the right lane, and I think you guys know that.
00:04:17.180 And to those of you who actually spent money and got in cars and got in planes and got yourselves to Kansas City last night to listen, thank you so much.
00:04:26.480 I just, that takes a lot of effort, and I was very touched by the big turnout.
00:04:30.840 It was wonderful to meet some of the people who listen to and watch this show every day in person and hug you and to hold each other, depending on the level of emotionality.
00:04:42.320 and it did vary and shake hands and hear what motivates you in your own life, what you care
00:04:47.480 about. So thank you. Thanks to all of you, whether you were there or not, I appreciate you listening
00:04:51.800 to the show. Okay. So I love you so much that I'm going to extend your life today. I literally feel
00:04:58.360 like Casey Means has extended my life. This book, good energy. You can see it's got all my
00:05:04.560 highlights on it. It's pretty, isn't it? It's got a nice cover, good energy. And I also listened to
00:05:10.100 the audio book because, you know, that's how I consume most of my books these days. And that
00:05:15.480 other interview with Tucker that I just mentioned. And now today we're going to expand on some of the
00:05:19.900 things I learned, which I will help short form so we can move things along and get to some very
00:05:25.020 practical advice. That's my hope that you can walk away today saying, maybe I can't do all 20
00:05:30.240 things, right? But maybe I can do five. And these small changes can make all the difference in your
00:05:36.920 life. And five is a start. In a year, maybe you will have done 10. And in two years, maybe you
00:05:43.720 will have done 20. But let's get it started because Casey Means, along with her brother Callie, have
00:05:49.460 been sounding the alarm for us all about America's health crisis. They're really kind of responsible
00:05:56.400 for the Make America Healthy Again movement spearheaded by RFKJ. Callie has been advising
00:06:00.960 RFKJ. And Casey is his brilliant surgeon sister, who is author of this New York Times bestseller,
00:06:10.740 Good Energy, The Surprising Connection Between Metabolism and Limitless Health. And she joins
00:06:18.560 me for the full show today. Casey, welcome to the show. Megan, thank you. Oh, the pleasure's 0.52
00:06:26.040 I'm so excited to be here.
00:06:27.820 Yeah, me too.
00:06:28.760 I have so much I want to ask you.
00:06:30.900 So let's get folks up to speed who haven't heard the interview that I refer to or haven't
00:06:35.860 read the book because, you know, good energy, they may be like, what is that?
00:06:39.860 Like vibes?
00:06:40.660 Because they're sick of vibes at this point in this election cycle.
00:06:43.400 It's not vibes.
00:06:45.920 So when we're talking about good energy, we are talking about the very foundational way
00:06:50.860 that our bodies work.
00:06:52.220 We're talking about metabolic health, a word that fortunately we're hearing more about
00:06:56.000 these days, but we're talking about how our cells power themselves, which might be something that
00:07:00.960 people have never thought about before. And yet, metabolic dysfunction is the root cause of nearly
00:07:07.340 every chronic disease torturing American lives today, from childhood all the way into our
00:07:13.440 elderly years. So it's a term we've got to get familiar with. And the reason I wrote this book
00:07:18.280 is because I had trained in the conventional healthcare system. I'd done what every good
00:07:22.140 medical student does, rise the ranks of that academic ladder, went to Stanford Medical School,
00:07:26.500 did five years of head and neck surgery training. And at the end of that training, before launching
00:07:33.060 out into being a private practice or academic attending physician, I looked around me at what
00:07:41.380 was happening in American health more broadly and realized that even though I'm working hard
00:07:46.740 in my lane as an ear, nose and throat surgeon, more broadly, American health is just getting
00:07:51.640 destroyed. It's getting destroyed. Chronic illness is exploding across the lifespan.
00:07:57.540 And that's not something that I really learned about in medical school. I didn't learn about,
00:08:02.000 you know, why are these diseases going up? What are the factors that have changed recently in
00:08:06.260 human history that are making us have this explosion of chronic disease? And that's a
00:08:11.400 journey that I needed to go on before really launching out. And when I did that, what I found
00:08:16.000 was that when you look at the science through the lens of root causes, not just the symptoms we're
00:08:20.760 treating, not just the drugs that we need, you know, to prescribe to all of these different
00:08:24.820 ailments that we have. When we look at root causes, what we find is that nearly every chronic
00:08:29.440 disease torturing American lives today is rooted in metabolic dysfunction. And that is an issue
00:08:34.040 with how our bodies literally power themselves. So that's what I'm talking about with good energy.
00:08:38.260 When our cells make good energy, i.e. have good metabolic health, so many of the conditions that
00:08:44.360 are plaguing us can improve. And so that needs to be the central focus of our American healthcare
00:08:48.500 system. And right now it is the intentional blind spot of the American healthcare system. And so
00:08:54.040 that's what this book is, it's all about. And so it covers a lot. It covers the biggest thing is
00:08:59.820 food and what we're, you know, and that seems to be the biggest driver of cellular health,
00:09:04.100 but it covers some exercise too. And it covers environmental toxins and things that we may be
00:09:08.440 putting on our bodies and so on. So it's got the full panoply of things that will affect your
00:09:13.380 cells and how you can improve. That's why I say if people feel overwhelmed, they can pick and
00:09:19.280 choose and just get started. But I think the food being such a huge influencer is empowering
00:09:25.620 because if you're not yet an exerciser, just start thinking about the food. If you don't want
00:09:32.120 to think about your shampoo and your makeup and your carpet and all, then just start with the
00:09:37.600 thing that you're most actively involved in because everybody's putting food in their mouth
00:09:42.440 every day. And these critical changes can genuinely extend lifespan and improve health
00:09:50.580 along the way. That's exactly right. The unique thing about this moment in time that we're living
00:09:59.060 right now is that our world has radically changed, just exponential rate of change over the past
00:10:05.100 hundred or so years with industrialization and urbanization and technological advancement.
00:10:10.940 But from a cells perspective, we have 40 trillion cells in our body.
00:10:16.360 The world is very different than what it's been expecting through all of human history.
00:10:21.520 And so what's really happening with our health being destroyed right now in our country is
00:10:26.300 that there is a severe mismatch between what our cells need to thrive and work properly
00:10:31.680 and what our environment looks like right now.
00:10:34.060 And that's across lots of different domains.
00:10:36.220 It's across, of course, food, which I believe is really that number one domain that we've got to get back to the basics because that's really the two to three pounds of molecular information that we put in our mouth every day to tell ourselves basically what to be built from and how to function.
00:10:54.600 But we're also talking about sleep habits.
00:10:56.680 We're talking about the fact that we are sleeping 20% less than we were 100 years ago, our emotional health, the fact that we have low-grade chronic stress all the time now from these devices in our hands 24 hours a day that are streaming fear-inducing sensationalist news stories from all around the world straight to our eyeballs when we're at the dinner table and when we're in our beds.
00:11:18.840 we're talking about the sedentary behavior, the fact that Americans are literally sitting
00:11:23.600 80% of the day. We're the only bipedal upright mammals, and yet we choose to lock ourselves in
00:11:28.900 a chair for 80% of the day, just squandering the miraculous gift of being able to move.
00:11:32.920 We're talking about the environmental toxins. We're talking about the 80,000 plus synthetic
00:11:36.960 toxins that have entered our food, water, air, and homes over the past hundred years
00:11:40.700 by industry virtually unregulated, many of which are destroying our cellular health.
00:11:44.320 We're talking about our relationship with light, the fact that ever since the incandescent light
00:11:49.960 ball was invented just a couple hundred years ago, and now at the advent of blue light emitting
00:11:53.280 technology, we're literally blasting our retinas with artificial light all the time. And this is
00:11:58.700 totally destroying our circadian biology and our core foundational cellular health.
00:12:02.800 So these are some of the things that we're dealing with as a body, as a group of cells
00:12:07.740 that make up our body that's looking for information from the environment and not
00:12:12.380 getting the signal that needs to function. So what the chronic disease epidemic really represents
00:12:16.220 is this just sheer and utter confusion of our bodies with the signals that it's getting from
00:12:23.800 all around us. And getting back to food, this is the one that, I mean, each of these pillars that
00:12:30.220 I'm speaking about has a profound impact on our core cellular health and metabolic health. But
00:12:35.040 food, we have to realize we eat somewhere between 40 and 70 metric tons of food in our lifetime.
00:12:42.380 And this is not just calories. This is not just energy. This is the building blocks,
00:12:47.040 the atomic molecular building blocks of our cells. And what people don't really realize
00:12:52.380 is that our cells are actually constantly turning over throughout our lifetime, even though
00:12:56.360 we kind of look the same day to day. I'm kind of going to look pretty similar tomorrow that I do
00:13:02.880 today. Actually, hundreds of billions of cells are dying and being reborn, and they are re-3D
00:13:07.380 printing themselves out of food. Isn't that incredible? We don't think about the body that
00:13:11.920 way as a process. So we've got to give the body good information every single day and pay that
00:13:18.600 bill of healthy, good food every day because we're constantly, constantly changing over our
00:13:25.500 body. Our gut lining, our entire skin cells completely turns over every few weeks. So we've
00:13:30.960 got to constantly be feeding the body with good information. Right now, 70% of our calories are
00:13:37.080 coming from ultra-processed, industrially manufactured, frankenfood, ultra-processed
00:13:42.340 foods, devoid of nutrients, filled with toxic additives, a modern invention created by food
00:13:47.820 scientists in the past 50 years that now make up the majority of our calories. Of course, we're
00:13:52.260 sick. We are eating 70% of that molecular information that builds our body from essentially
00:13:56.960 garbage that does not have what our cells need to function. So that's why food is so important.
00:14:01.860 But the second piece is also that food is what tells our genes and our cell signaling pathways
00:14:06.900 what to do. We think of our genes as our destiny. It's not true. Our genes are a blueprint and how
00:14:14.040 those genes interact with the environment is what our outcomes are. And food is one of those
00:14:17.960 key things that changes our genetic expression. I'll give you a simple example that I talk about
00:14:22.460 in the book. You look at a herb like turmeric. It has thousands of molecular compounds in it that
00:14:28.480 the earth and that the soil has made for us to help our genes and our cell signaling function
00:14:33.880 properly. And one of those is curcumin. Curcumin actually goes into our cells. It binds to proteins
00:14:39.460 within the cells and changes the expression, decreases the expression of our key inflammatory
00:14:44.700 pathway, which is called NF kappa B. So you're eating this food and you're actually turning the
00:14:49.400 knob down on inflammatory pathway that drives disease. And we could talk about any natural
00:14:55.180 food in this way filled with thousands of chemical compounds, natural from the earth,
00:14:59.180 from God to help us live our highest purpose life. And we, instead of using that precious gift with
00:15:06.120 real unprocessed food from good soil, that's filled with nutrients, we have decided that food
00:15:12.240 is nothing more than calories. And it doesn't matter if we eat nutrient devoid ultra processed
00:15:17.700 food from a factory for 70% of our calories. Well, this is a science experiment that has failed.
00:15:22.240 Americans are just absolutely getting astronomically ill and food is a key piece of that.
00:15:27.340 And, you know, unfortunately, there's a lot of systems issues that lead to why we have become enamored with ultra processed foods because of so many incentives at the level of the farm bill and at the level of how media is funded that essentially make us believe that ultra processed foods are fine and normal when in fact they are not.
00:15:47.480 Well, we, I am old enough to have lived through the moment in time when the messaging changed from what's bad for you is sugary foods and fatty foods are fine to fat is the problem.
00:16:01.700 Sugar is the solution.
00:16:03.080 They took all the fat out of the foods to make them taste better.
00:16:05.240 They put all the sugar in.
00:16:06.520 And then we got hooked on this.
00:16:07.800 We got hooked on these sugary foods.
00:16:09.340 I mean, it wasn't that long ago, I guess 20 years ago, that I actually thought a healthy snack would be one of those packs of snack well cookies.
00:16:19.780 My God, the shame, the shame.
00:16:22.520 But I'm not alone.
00:16:25.380 This I know.
00:16:26.140 And but one of the illuminating points of the book is that I thought that and many others think this way because we've been led to believe we've been defrauded by virtually every person in charge of every industry that touches the food that arrives in our kitchen.
00:16:45.120 Yeah. Yeah, this is the unfortunate part that I think people really do need to understand because people do actually listen to the science. You know, we do listen to doctors in this country. When the USDA food pyramid said, eat six to 11 servings of grains and cereals per day, we did it. We got very sick, but we did it. When Fauci said, get the jab, the majority of Americans did it.
00:17:09.960 We do listen to doctors, but unfortunately, at the highest level of our medical institutions, there are conflicts of interest and corruption that are actually making the science that we're getting not as accurate, not as clean as we'd want it to be.
00:17:25.180 So you look at some examples, NIH, taxpayer-funded institution that we would ostensibly believe
00:17:32.020 its sole interest is to keep Americans healthy.
00:17:35.480 But 80% of NIH researchers have a conflict of interest with industry, so are getting
00:17:43.020 paid also by processed food industry, pharmaceutical industry.
00:17:47.360 There was a report that came out that 8,000 NIH-funded researchers have a major conflict
00:17:53.160 of interest with industry. So we would assume that would just be clean, clean money from the
00:18:00.360 NIH, from taxpayers with a singular goal of American health. But in fact, it ends up becoming
00:18:06.280 a PR arm to do scientific research that's mostly focused on pharmaceutical interventions and our
00:18:12.660 standard conventional model of care, which is very reactive and very sick care and not focused on
00:18:18.340 root causes. Then you go to the USDA. Just to jump in on that, Casey, just to jump in on that. So
00:18:22.340 So basically you're saying with the like the FDA or the NIH, the people who are looking at our food and what's OK and what's not OK suffer from the same conflict as the FDA did on in dope sick as as evidenced by that movie,
00:18:36.340 where the opioid industry got going because the people who are deciding whether that could be safe and marketed as non addictive or whatever the initial disclaimers were, they're on the take.
00:18:46.680 they either are getting money from these drug companies, or in the case of the food industry,
00:18:51.020 these big food manufacturers, or they're banking on joining those companies immediately after
00:18:58.060 their government stint is over. Right, right. I mean, you see this all the time with the revolving
00:19:03.500 door between FDA commissioner and then pharmaceutical company right after they finish.
00:19:08.920 Got Gottlieb, FDA, straight to Pfizer. It's just back and forth. But it's across every
00:19:14.260 single industry. So NIH, we've got 8,000 major conflicts of interest in researchers. FDA,
00:19:19.340 we've got 75% of the FDA's drug budget coming from pharma, not taxpayers. USDA, we've got 95%
00:19:28.320 of the people who made the USDA Food Guidelines for America, which come out every five years,
00:19:33.560 so from 2000 to 2025, had major conflicts of interest with the processed food industry.
00:19:38.880 You look at medical schools, you've got medical schools receiving huge multimillion dollar grants
00:19:43.920 from pharmaceutical companies.
00:19:46.380 When I was at Stanford Medical School,
00:19:48.120 Stanford Medical School received a $3 million grant
00:19:50.860 from Pfizer for curriculum reform.
00:19:53.520 So we've got NIH, USDA, FDA, medical schools,
00:19:57.740 all taking money.
00:19:58.840 And then you add on the professional organizations
00:20:01.400 like the American Academy of Pediatrics
00:20:03.240 or the American Diabetes Association,
00:20:04.860 which work to create the guidelines
00:20:07.200 that doctors practice by.
00:20:09.240 And that doctors actually,
00:20:10.740 if they step out of line
00:20:12.300 of what the clinical practice guidelines are.
00:20:14.180 They're at risk for liability.
00:20:15.360 And then these professional organizations
00:20:17.160 are getting a majority of their budget from industry.
00:20:19.620 You've got the American Academy of Pediatrics
00:20:21.140 getting money from Abbott and from Mead Johnson
00:20:23.960 and from vaccine manufacturers.
00:20:26.140 These are the organizations that write the guidelines.
00:20:29.060 So then it's no surprise
00:20:30.140 that you look at the recent
00:20:31.460 American Academy of Pediatrics guidelines
00:20:33.360 for treatment of childhood obesity.
00:20:34.820 And all of a sudden what crops up
00:20:36.620 is that they're recommending
00:20:38.140 as first-line treatment for childhood obesity,
00:20:40.760 GLP-1 agonist injections, weekly injections for kids, Ozempic. And so you just look at every
00:20:49.040 single layer of our government agencies, how doctors are taught and who's making the guidelines
00:20:54.660 and the money is astronomical, what's going in from industry. And that's of course going to cloud
00:21:01.620 the way research is done and how we even think about health in the body. So I, as a medical
00:21:06.380 student and all my peers who go into medical school to, with this very noble intent to help
00:21:13.140 people and to improve children's health, improve American health. We go to these elite institutions
00:21:19.700 with just wanting to work our butts off. What happens? You enter a curriculum where the science
00:21:26.880 is conflicted. The science that you're seeing at its most foundational level has conflict of
00:21:31.020 interest where the school has been funded by pharmaceutical industry. You know, the medical
00:21:36.800 school is not getting funded by big kale or big exercise. They're being funded by big pharma and
00:21:42.160 where the guidelines that you have to learn and memorize and practice by also have a conflict of
00:21:47.340 interest. So what you get is all these doctors who, you know, we start, you start medical school
00:21:52.980 around age 21, 22, you're young and you know, you're, you're, you're deeply, um, deeply trusting
00:21:59.920 of this system, right? But what you see is that the body is a hundred separate parts. You see that
00:22:06.220 what your path is going to be is to go through four years of medical school and then pick one
00:22:10.800 of a hundred different surgical or medical subspecialties that you're going to focus on
00:22:14.080 just one little part of the body. You see that really what a disease is, is a collection of,
00:22:19.900 you know, uh, symptoms and signs. And you don't really think about disease until it gets to that
00:22:25.000 place. And then you just need to, you know, figure out what the symptoms are, label the disease and
00:22:29.100 prescribe a medication or do a surgery, you don't think about proactive health. You don't think
00:22:32.660 about root cause health. You don't think about environmental factors because that's not what
00:22:36.320 being taught. And then you go into your practice and you're getting pressure from everyone around
00:22:40.640 you, from the administrative staff, the bureaucrats and the billers to basically see as many patients
00:22:46.320 as you possibly can because you are paid by volume, which further insidiously pushes you to
00:22:54.260 not think about root causes, how to really reverse or prevent disease because that takes a long time,
00:22:58.840 right? That takes long conversations with the patient. What's easier, what's faster is to see
00:23:03.380 the patient, label their signs and symptoms as a disease, and then give them a drug or send them
00:23:07.720 for surgery. That's what's fast. And since we have this system, this incentive structure in
00:23:12.700 American healthcare that's focused on volume, how many patients can I see per week? The outcomes is
00:23:20.940 not really the thing that we're focused on. So you're taking these incredible, great, bright,
00:23:24.820 young minds and putting them into a system that at every level has conflicts that's pushing us
00:23:32.220 to see the body as a collection of separate parts that's inevitable to get disease and
00:23:37.160 that your job as a doctor is to label that disease and give it a pill or a surgery. And that,
00:23:42.940 that unfortunately is where we're at and why doctors, um, even with the best intentions are
00:23:48.520 not focused on root causes. There's no incentive to do so. And there's little education.
00:23:52.440 I think about it sometimes with respect to the very, very wealthy people I know. I'm talking billionaire wealthy. I don't know that many of them, but I know some. And they all live into their 90s. Now, how do they do that? It's because they have an individual doctor who's on staff or constantly available to them.
00:24:10.300 I mean, take the most extreme case, Queen Elizabeth, right?
00:24:13.380 How did she live in, you know, to 93?
00:24:15.600 Her entire life, she was probably eating clean. 1.00
00:24:18.160 She had people around her monitoring things like her blood glucose just to make sure she
00:24:21.440 was where she needed to be on all these things.
00:24:23.340 Full-time attention and care.
00:24:25.220 I think about my old boss at Fox News, Rupert Murdoch, same thing.
00:24:28.220 He's like in his mid-90s, he's had falls and things like that, but onward he trudges.
00:24:32.920 And then I've known younger people who are with the B on the money front, and they've
00:24:37.380 got, they travel for business and I I'll see them on a business trip and they'll have their own food
00:24:42.280 that they've brought with them. And I've asked more than one of these guys, like, why are you
00:24:45.760 bringing your own food? We're at this beautiful event. Like, I'm sure they're going to feed us.
00:24:48.920 No, because they know if they put themselves in the care of just some random chef in some random
00:24:54.360 place, they're not going to get the right beef. One guy I knew multi multi-billionaire, one of
00:24:59.540 the richest Americans we have has his own cows that are butchered on his own ranch. And that's
00:25:05.640 the beef he travels. It's just like there is a level of eating and wellness that the average
00:25:11.860 person has no idea about, but you don't actually have to be a billionaire to get it. You just have
00:25:17.680 to have the information truly in this book, Good Energy by Dr. Casey Means, and listen to the life
00:25:23.920 changes you can bring on for yourself. You know, Megan, it's true. I also, I see this as well in
00:25:34.040 a community of people who have awoken to this idea that the reasons we're sick in America,
00:25:41.320 the reasons that life expectancy right now is going down in America, and a child born today
00:25:49.260 is on track to live 600 days less than someone who is age 40 right now. This is astronomical.
00:25:57.860 We spend almost 2x more than any other high-income country in the world on health care.
00:26:04.200 We also spend 23% of the largest GDP in the world on, quote-unquote, health care.
00:26:09.760 And we're not even able to keep life expectancy stable.
00:26:13.740 It's going down in our country.
00:26:17.980 If that doesn't kind of rip you out of your slumber, I don't know what will.
00:26:23.140 And so it's not for a lack of medication, right?
00:26:26.640 We're prescribing medications just more and more.
00:26:29.900 The more statins we prescribe, the more heart disease we're getting.
00:26:32.940 The more Ozempic we're prescribing, the more obesity rates are going up.
00:26:36.000 The more SSRIs we're prescribing, the more people have depression.
00:26:40.020 You know, it's not correlating with the amount of drugs.
00:26:44.260 So there's something else going on that's insidious, that's environmental.
00:26:47.560 And like you say, people who are aware of what's going on are doing essentially everything
00:26:53.180 they can to protect their bodies from the normal inputs that you are going to be exposed to if
00:27:00.060 you're just living in america day today all of these invisible threats around i'm so annoyed
00:27:04.860 listening to this because i know you guys are tight with rfkj and i know callie this is an
00:27:08.980 interesting uh piece of your story callie's your brother and i've been following him for years on
00:27:13.700 twitter and watching him and listening to his expertise as well but i know he's connected with
00:27:18.700 RFKJ and helped him come up with Maha and that, you know, you guys have been doing some input
00:27:23.360 there. But here's what's so infuriating. RFKJ has been raising some of these issues for a long time.
00:27:28.800 He's an environmental lawyer. He's an environmental lawyer at heart. That's how he actually made his
00:27:33.140 living. And Casey, no sooner did he pop up and say like, I don't know about these vaccines.
00:27:39.760 Forget COVID vaccine long before that. Like I were pumping these babies through a lot with a
00:27:44.060 lot of shots at a very early age and they don't really need this stuff. And so, and then his
00:27:48.200 warnings went well beyond vaccines. He came on this show a couple of years ago and said,
00:27:52.360 you know, why, where do all the ticks come from? Why is autism shooting up? Like all these things
00:27:57.580 and nobody would platform him at all. They decided he was part of the so-called disinformation dozen.
00:28:04.880 That was the Biden white house. He was totally silenced on raising the alarm on a lot of these
00:28:11.440 same issues because there really are. And you sound like a conspiracy theorist when you're like
00:28:16.980 the powerful forces are silencing him. No, they actually were because they really do have
00:28:22.920 financial skin in keeping him and probably you and Callie quiet.
00:28:30.240 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it really, this all comes back to money, unfortunately. And
00:28:35.300 when you realize that around 60% of mainstream media's advertising funding is coming from the
00:28:43.700 pharmaceutical industry. I mean, you can't watch five minutes of commercials on TV without seeing
00:28:48.160 a medication commercial. And you realize that the funny thing is that these companies that are
00:28:56.060 paying that much to have the ad spots on mainstream media, they're not actually really
00:29:01.320 trying to advertise to you, the consumer. They're trying to get a direct line of communication to
00:29:07.180 the media companies so that they can have an impact on the message that goes out that makes
00:29:11.700 our news. That's a key point, is that it's not about getting you to talk to your doctor about
00:29:17.300 Ozempic. It's about having a direct line of communication to the media network so they can
00:29:22.160 have more control over what is said and who is platformed. And this is why the emergence of
00:29:27.840 independent media is one of the most disruptive and exactly what you're doing, right? It's the
00:29:32.560 most disruptive and powerful force right now in the world. Because what you see is that
00:29:39.600 when you look at independent media that are getting hundreds of millions of downloads per
00:29:46.100 month, what are they talking about? Root cause health, the dietary and lifestyle factors like
00:29:52.780 getting sunshine and taking supplements and eating real food and regenerative agriculture.
00:29:57.700 This is what's being talked about on independent media when we're not in a chokehold from the
00:30:02.860 advertisers to talk about a specific dogmatic narrative about that pharmaceuticals are the
00:30:07.960 only way to be healthy. And so I think that's very, very heartening. And, you know, I think
00:30:14.800 we're in a really interesting moment right now where post-COVID, which was just the probably
00:30:19.920 the worst public policy disaster in human history, where COVID was really fundamentally
00:30:27.180 a metabolic disease. People, we died at much higher rates than other countries that had better
00:30:31.900 metabolic health. This virus went after people who were immunocompromised because of metabolic
00:30:37.280 disease. This is why people with comorbidities were dying of COVID and people who were otherwise
00:30:42.060 healthy really weren't and children were dying at much lower rates. And people saw that despite
00:30:47.880 knowing that from month two, month three of the pandemic, that this was a virus that went after
00:30:52.780 people who were compromised from lifestyle related and food related diseases, metabolic disease,
00:30:57.260 that zero airtime and zero information coming from our federal agencies in charge for health had
00:31:02.500 anything to do with improving our metabolic health, I think it created a crack where people
00:31:07.260 realize that there's a bigger problem here. So just to get back to what you were saying about
00:31:11.080 RFK, you know, I think there's a moment right now where there's been some distrust that has
00:31:16.340 been bred in the agencies and the healthcare system. Also costs are going up for everything
00:31:21.960 with inflation. And right now our healthcare costs, our premiums in the United States are
00:31:26.060 astronomical. The number one cause of bankruptcy in the United States is medical costs. So people
00:31:30.860 are feeling it in a new, different, and poignant way. And I think we're also seeing this inflection
00:31:36.880 point with how health even got worse after COVID through the lockdowns and other factors. Kids are
00:31:41.980 really suffering. We've got 34% of kids with a behavioral, mental, or emotional disorder. We've
00:31:46.560 got one in 36 kids in the United States with autism, one in 22 in California. We've got ADHD
00:31:51.300 skyrocketing. We've got young adult cancer skyrocketing. We've got pre-diabetes and
00:31:54.920 teens reaching 30%. We've got 52% of children overweight or obese. So there's a confluence of
00:32:03.060 factors, I think, that are happening that are making this the moment where this is finally
00:32:07.760 making it to the mainstream, which is really, really exciting. But this is why
00:32:13.720 the concept of freedom of speech and what Elon's talking about and what RFK is talking about and
00:32:21.340 this idea of all the gaslighting that's happening around misinformation from the social media
00:32:28.000 companies, X excluded and mainstream media, this is why that issue is actually so important and
00:32:35.100 why that issue needs to be thought about in lockstep with the healthcare crisis. Because
00:32:41.480 if we start silencing the people who are able to use the disruption of independent media to
00:32:48.180 get these messages out, that's when we're screwed. People say, are you hopeful? And I say, I am
00:32:53.360 hopeful because this is able to be talked about in our beautiful country where we can have
00:32:57.800 discourse. But if that gets threatened, then I think it becomes a much scarier place.
00:33:04.920 To me, it's not totally dissimilar from, just to bring it to the current news cycle,
00:33:08.520 what's happened in the past few days after the debate. It was placed in the hands of the
00:33:12.600 mainstream media. We had fake news fact checks on statements that were absolutely true by Donald
00:33:18.560 Trump. Kamala Harris was allowed to get away with lie after lie with no fact checks, no interruptions, 0.96
00:33:23.140 no follow ups. And the Internet melted down after watching it because we knew in our guts it was 0.59
00:33:28.040 wrong. It was unfair. We knew. And so we've had three days now of fact checkers all over the
00:33:33.680 Internet, citizen journalists, you know, independent journalists firing off tweet after tweet on X,
00:33:40.920 You know, showing the video of Kamala Harris's positions, which she denied, showing the FBI stats on crime are false that were cited by David Muir, things like that.
00:33:51.480 And so this independent voice, this collective of the voices to make one strong counterbalance voice, is correcting the record and changing the national conversation and the national knowledge and maybe even the national vote.
00:34:05.180 And the same thing is now happening in health care, which is far more important.
00:34:10.080 This is about whether we live or die.
00:34:11.640 This is about whether our children live or die and for how long and how well.
00:34:15.140 And you really are at the pointy head of the spear on this issue.
00:34:20.960 And thank God now your message is getting out.
00:34:23.040 And I know Tucker talked to you about this, and you mentioned at the top,
00:34:25.180 but like your credentials could not be any more stellar.
00:34:29.440 Casey, our audience already knows this, but I mean, to say she's not fringy
00:34:33.120 is just an insult even say that anybody might consider that about you. You were at the top of
00:34:37.800 every single medical thing you ever touched until you grew really disillusioned with the system and
00:34:42.480 walked away voluntarily. Stanford, top of your class, top resident, on your way, what, you were
00:34:49.320 a fifth year of residency. They begged you not to leave. You didn't want to go. You had done
00:34:53.040 everything right, everything right. And then you realized you'd been sold a bag of goods.
00:34:57.200 yeah well thank you and i think you know it doesn't take a rocket science scientist to see
00:35:04.320 what's going on here it really doesn't and i i appreciate that but i mean it's it's really just
00:35:09.920 about looking at the completely unemotional facts and stepping back for one second to ask
00:35:18.880 why i think that's what americans are doing right now and you know just to list just to list a little
00:35:25.400 bit about what I'm talking about here, you know, is that I, I, you know, we obviously talked about
00:35:30.180 this on Tucker, but I think it's worth just zeroing in on what I mean by American health
00:35:35.480 getting destroyed. Cause then it becomes more like, why isn't every doctor stopping and truly
00:35:40.800 like pausing their practice to get together, to figure this out. We've got 74, we have 74% of
00:35:47.880 American adults with overweight or obesity, 74%, three quarters of Americans have overweight or
00:35:53.920 obesity. We've got 40% of children with obesity or overweight. We've got 52% of American adults
00:36:02.340 with prediabetes or type two diabetes. This should be close to zero. It's 52% with an overt
00:36:07.860 metabolic disorder. 30% of teens now have prediabetes. You know, 50 years ago, a pediatrician
00:36:14.820 might've gone in their entire career without seeing a single case of prediabetes in a teen.
00:36:20.520 now it's 30%. We've got, again, one in 22 kids in California with autism. This is astronomically
00:36:27.680 higher than it was 20, 30 years ago when it was one in 150 and then one in 1,500 farther back.
00:36:33.820 We have, again, 34% of young adults with a mental health or emotional health issue.
00:36:39.020 Young adult cancers are up 79%. We are on track to have 2 million new cases of cancer
00:36:45.800 In the United States this year, highest absolute number ever recorded in human history.
00:36:53.520 Autoimmune diseases are skyrocketing, especially in women of middle age, by some reports going
00:36:58.640 up 3% to 12% per year.
00:37:01.100 Infertility is going up 1% per year.
00:37:04.440 Sperm counts are going down 1% per year at a sustained rate since the 1970s.
00:37:09.440 77% of American young adults are not fit to serve in the military because of these chronic
00:37:17.340 health issues. We've got 18% of teens with fatty liver disease. Again, pediatricians would have
00:37:22.460 never seen this 50 years ago. And as I mentioned, life expectancy is actually going down in the
00:37:28.580 wealthiest country in the world. So ignore credentials, ignore Stanford, ignore all of it.
00:37:34.300 Look at those facts, all of which are referenced on my website for all the people who want to know.
00:37:44.360 Our health is getting destroyed.
00:37:46.960 And at the best institutions in America, the hospitals, the medical schools, we're not talking about why.
00:37:53.360 We're talking about how to medicate these conditions.
00:37:55.640 We're talking about how to operate more on these conditions.
00:37:58.180 We're talking about how to increase access to the health care system that is not improving these.
00:38:02.820 We've got to be talking about these.
00:38:03.900 The fact that this was not a topic on the debate stage is an abomination of our media.
00:38:10.680 Why is this not the first order thing being talked about that we are that children have
00:38:17.380 close to 50 percent of children in America have a chronic disease?
00:38:22.060 What is going on?
00:38:23.620 We should be outraged.
00:38:25.360 We are spending more on this problem in a way that is not fixing the problem than almost
00:38:31.920 any other line item in the American budget. Taxpayers are paying for it and it's not being
00:38:38.440 talked about. So everyone really needs to realize that this is this is not a fringe issue. It is
00:38:45.160 not something that, you know, it's just an accident that we're ignoring. We are actively
00:38:49.600 ignoring this at every level of our government agencies and media. And that needs to stop
00:38:56.580 immediately. OK, so the first thing we're going to take up, I'll take a quick break, but we're
00:39:01.300 going to talk about three of the demons, sugar, ultra processed foods, and foods that you think
00:39:08.740 are healthy, but which are covered in pesticides. You get your big leafy lettuce salad and you dive
00:39:15.160 right in without worrying about whether it's organic or not. And you may be doing far more
00:39:19.680 harm than good. We're going to pick it up with a specific food discussion, and then we'll move on
00:39:23.440 to some of the other toxins that are around us and ways to clean our bodies and our lives right
00:39:29.200 after this. Casey States with us for the full show. Again, the book is Good Energy by Casey
00:39:33.660 Means, MD. Okay. So Casey, I did the tease before the break. That's a very short form summary of
00:39:40.680 what you're recommending on the health front, but put in your own words in terms of the massive
00:39:45.100 overhauls to eating that are required. At the highest level, we need to move away from ultra
00:39:50.780 processed foods and start eating real foods, unprocessed foods that are grown in good soil,
00:39:58.300 ideally local, and not covered in the toxic, invisible pesticides that are
00:40:02.800 literally covering 99% of the foods we're eating in the United States. So it's a move away from
00:40:08.400 this factory-made food back to natural food. That's number one. I mean, when we get more
00:40:13.040 specific in there, we want to be eating foods that actually support our cellular and our metabolic
00:40:18.020 health so that allow ourselves to have the molecules they need to function properly.
00:40:22.600 Because right now, all the chronic diseases that I talked about, they are all rooted in the exact same thing, which is dysfunctional cellular biology, largely rooted in this issue of metabolic dysfunction that can be very much improved by giving cells the nutrients they need from food to function properly.
00:40:40.320 So in the book, I talk about really five things that we should try to look for in food and include in almost every meal.
00:40:50.120 And I call them the five elements of good energy eating.
00:40:53.040 And this is making sure that in most of our meals, we have a fiber source.
00:40:56.400 We have an omega-3 source.
00:40:58.400 We have a probiotic source, a really healthy protein source, and some source of really
00:41:03.920 good antioxidants and micronutrients.
00:41:06.500 So what this does is it boils.
00:41:09.220 There are a lot of components of food that we want to get.
00:41:11.000 But if you are focusing on getting those five things in most meals and knowing a few foods
00:41:15.840 in each of those categories that you like and stocking your kitchen with them, you can put
00:41:21.060 together a meal that is going to have a really good chance of supporting your cellular biology.
00:41:25.120 So for me, what I do is I just have my mental checklist of foods that are rich in fiber that
00:41:31.160 I can keep in my house. So this would be like black beans and chickpeas and legumes and hemp
00:41:37.240 seeds. If I'm thinking about omega-3s, I'm going to always have some wild-caught salmon in my
00:41:43.360 fridge, maybe some canned sardines, canned mackerel, things like that. For a healthy protein,
00:41:51.400 I've got a freezer full of game meats and grass-fed meats that I can just defrost and easily
00:41:56.620 make a meal with. And then for probiotics, I've got my sauerkraut and my kimchi and my
00:42:00.960 beet kvass and my Greek yogurt and things like that. So if you just have a mental checklist of
00:42:06.280 a few things from each category that, um, you enjoy eating for health becomes as simple as kind
00:42:13.340 of piecing together a meal that has these components. So, so that's just sort of really
00:42:18.520 high level. When we think about grocery store shopping, um, you know, I'm not going to say
00:42:23.100 that every packaged food in the grocery store is a problem because everything exists on a continuum
00:42:27.760 of processing. You know, one of my favorite foods is like flax crackers, flackers, something like
00:42:32.460 that. And that's just literally organic flax seeds, apple cider vinegar, and spices. It comes
00:42:37.480 in a bag. It was made in a factory, but it's really a simple, whole organic food in that bag.
00:42:43.260 Compare that to something like a Twinkie or a Pop-Tart, where there is a list of 40 ingredients,
00:42:51.000 things that you've never heard of before. I mean, you see on these packaged foods,
00:42:55.800 things like polysorbate 80 and maltodextrin and red 40. We don't know where those things come
00:43:01.220 from. We can't visualize them. Those are things that we should avoid. So just really being clear
00:43:05.140 about, you know, what is going into my body? And I think at the highest level, this just comes down
00:43:10.320 to backing up and building a new relationship with food and really not just really understanding
00:43:18.960 it for what it actually is, which is this miraculous substance that comes from the ground
00:43:26.220 by the ground interacting with sunlight through plants and through photosynthesis and that we
00:43:33.160 get to take into our body to really determine our mental health, our physical health, our longevity,
00:43:39.440 our mood, our thoughts. I mean, food is making really everything. And so we should both be,
00:43:45.760 I think, in awe of what food can do for us. We should really respect that it is
00:43:50.180 just this incredible process that happens on earth as really a gift for us to be able to use
00:43:57.420 to reach our highest purpose. And we should invest a lot more time and money in our lives
00:44:03.100 and our families in prioritizing the highest quality food we can, because high quality food
00:44:07.900 will lead to a high quality life. And Americans spend a fraction of a percentage of their total
00:44:13.480 income on food as compared to European families who are much healthier than us. And so it's just,
00:44:18.220 I think a lot of it, a mindset shift towards remembering what food is and that there's an
00:44:23.580 alchemy reaction between ourselves and food that really determines our health outcomes and having
00:44:29.440 more respect for the whole process and having more respect for our bodies, you know, realizing that
00:44:34.700 our bodies are truly miracles. Each of our lives is a miracle. And one of the ways that we can
00:44:40.740 honor this incredible experience of being able to have this life and be here in this, on this
00:44:46.140 beautiful planet for, you know, no discernible reason. Like it's just such a, such a gift and
00:44:51.600 a joy that we get to be here. One of the ways we can honor that miracle and this opportunity of
00:44:56.380 life is to eat, you know, unpoisoned, unprocessed fresh food from farmers that we know. And so I
00:45:04.900 just tell people like, if there's an opportunity to get your family out to the farmer's market
00:45:08.520 once a week, talk to farmers, look people in the eye who are growing the food, because that food
00:45:13.060 is going to become your body.
00:45:14.300 It's going to become your thoughts.
00:45:15.540 It's going to become who you are.
00:45:17.520 That food is going to become your body.
00:45:19.760 Oh my gosh, that's so well put.
00:45:21.500 That brings it home.
00:45:22.600 Keep going.
00:45:23.500 Yeah, no, yeah.
00:45:24.320 I mean, I think it's just,
00:45:25.240 we need to just wake up from the slumber
00:45:27.400 that has been indoctrinated to us
00:45:30.240 that these foods that are so devoid of life,
00:45:35.100 you think about,
00:45:36.980 there's some really interesting actually studies on this
00:45:39.160 where if you take food straight out of your garden
00:45:41.560 or food that was picked by a farmer that day.
00:45:44.740 And so it's farm fresh and you eat it.
00:45:47.320 It's filled with things like vitamin C and antioxidants
00:45:50.780 and polyphenols and all these things
00:45:52.380 that are gonna support our health.
00:45:53.260 But the average piece of food travels 1,500 miles now
00:45:56.380 from the soil to our plate.
00:45:58.180 And every day that food is out of the soil,
00:46:02.920 it is one more day that it has been dead.
00:46:05.600 And as something is more dead,
00:46:08.340 so more disconnected from the life source,
00:46:10.540 which is the soil,
00:46:11.560 and the water and the sunlight that kept it alive,
00:46:14.960 there's going to be a degradation of nutrients.
00:46:16.900 So food-
00:46:17.260 It's like your Christmas tree.
00:46:18.380 Think about what happens to your Christmas tree
00:46:20.080 over the 10 days of standing there.
00:46:22.200 It starts dying.
00:46:23.160 So we are eating not only in the grocery store,
00:46:26.740 food that's in the grocery store
00:46:27.980 may have been out of the soil for two, three, four weeks.
00:46:30.980 It's traveled in a refrigerated van or truck
00:46:34.320 hundreds, if not thousands of miles
00:46:37.040 or flown from Chile or Mexico to your plate,
00:46:39.780 just dying, losing nutrients. How do we expect to be vital and to have longevity if the food we are
00:46:47.400 eating is more dead than it has ever been in history? Then you take that fresh food and you
00:46:53.540 put it in a factory and you process it and you strip it of all of its helpful nutrients and then
00:46:59.100 you put chemical preservatives in it to make it essentially be shelf stable. What do we think
00:47:04.720 that's going to do to our biology when we are eating something that is so devoid of life.
00:47:09.980 So these types of reframes I mentioned, just because we are so disconnected from nature.
00:47:16.060 150 years ago, 97% of Americans grew some of their own food. Now it's less than 3%. So we are just so
00:47:23.580 disconnected from this miracle. And I think part of the reckoning and the awakening to reverse the
00:47:29.120 chronic disease epidemic and also get back on top of, I think this darkness that a lot of us feel
00:47:34.300 in culture and society today,
00:47:36.220 this just sense of emptiness and darkness
00:47:38.100 that's kind of taking over,
00:47:39.840 I think part of it is going to actually just be
00:47:41.580 getting closer in touch with our food
00:47:43.360 and with the soil
00:47:44.860 and with this beautiful, miraculous dance
00:47:47.820 that happens between the environment
00:47:49.140 and our bodies every day
00:47:50.160 to create the lives that we want
00:47:51.700 and investing more in that.
00:47:54.300 We'll take a break in two minutes.
00:47:55.760 So I'm going to start a discussion
00:47:56.900 that we won't possibly finish before the break.
00:47:59.160 But this is where organic comes in, right?
00:48:03.120 Because I had friends 15 years ago, and they actually ghost wrote a book on organic foods.
00:48:12.600 And their conclusion was the only thing that you really need to make sure is organic when you do your grocery shopping is strawberries.
00:48:19.280 Other than that, it's not really worth it.
00:48:21.580 This is not good information.
00:48:23.680 And you're sounding a very different alarm.
00:48:25.900 So would you say that if it's a fruit or a vegetable, if it comes out of the earth, either from the actual earth or from a tree, et cetera, it has to be organic?
00:48:38.880 I know we have to go to break, but I think my short answer would be it is absolutely beneficial for it to be organic.
00:48:46.340 And we need to be implementing the precautionary principle when we think about organic or non-organic food, which is that even though the data may be muddied in large part because the industries that make these pesticides like Bayer Monsanto have a huge interest in making us confused about whether they're safe, we know that a lot of these pesticides are linked to cancer, autoimmune disease, behavioral issues, endocrine disruption and hormone disruption.
00:49:16.340 And so for me, thinking about the fact that 6 billion pounds of synthetic pesticides are
00:49:22.960 sprayed in our food system every year and chronic disease rates are skyrocketing and
00:49:28.160 there is mechanistic evidence of why, I certainly feel that it is important to choose foods
00:49:34.920 that don't have those toxic supplements on them.
00:49:40.000 Yeah.
00:49:40.200 And then when you get those foods home, those organic foods, do you have some special washing
00:49:45.780 technique for them? You know, I personally, I just do a quick rinse of my food, but that's
00:49:53.240 because I'm actually now buying food from all farmers that I know. So when I go to the farmer's
00:50:00.200 market, you know, I am getting it from the Apricot Lane farm stand. I have been to Apricot
00:50:06.400 Lane farms. I know Molly Chester who runs that farm. I get my meat from White Oak Pastures. I 1.00
00:50:12.100 know Will Harris, who owns White Oak Pastures in Bluffton, Georgia. I get my meat from Primal
00:50:17.100 Pastures. See, this is so much easier if you, oh, wait, no, so he's in Georgia because you're in
00:50:20.520 Oregon, aren't you? I'm in California, but you can get these things shipped now. Hold that thought.
00:50:26.660 That's a good tease. I'm going to take my break. We're picking it up right there. This is where
00:50:30.300 we're getting down to brass tacks. How exactly should we eat and how do we get the good food?
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00:52:12.420 wherever you listen to podcasts and you will find MK Confidential. Casey, we were talking about
00:52:18.260 what specifically, like how do you get your beef? Because I will tell you, like a frustration of
00:52:22.660 mine here in Connecticut, and you would think in Connecticut, there'd be farms everywhere.
00:52:26.580 There really aren't. It's very hard to find a farmer's market or actually glad hand with
00:52:31.380 an actual farmer. So you're limited to the whole foods, but the whole foods is really not that
00:52:37.740 great. It's not exactly whole. So you were giving us some options for people like me who don't have
00:52:45.000 a farmer down the road. Yeah. So I think when it comes to meat, there are some great frozen
00:52:51.400 options today. Freezing is actually a great way to preserve nutrients in both fresh produce and
00:52:57.100 also in meats. If foods are frozen right at the time of harvesting or slaughter, they retain
00:53:05.140 more nutrients than if they are just left at ambient temperature. So, you know, now there's
00:53:10.720 a lot of great services that you can order regenerative, grass-fed, organic meat from
00:53:15.400 around the country and have it shipped to you. Force of Nature is a great brand that, you know,
00:53:18.840 is in Whole Foods. And like I mentioned, you know, ordering from a regenerative farm like
00:53:23.820 white oak pastures, um, you know, and, and many others, it's, it's a great option today now that
00:53:29.960 we're able to, to ship. Um, and then I would say for people who are trying to find organic produce,
00:53:36.760 if you don't have anything fresh near you, that's where I think getting a lot of, you know, frozen
00:53:41.260 produce like from Costco or places like that, or even Walmart has quite a bit of organic selection
00:53:46.800 today. Um, those are good options. Farmer's market is ideal because if you're speaking to
00:53:52.120 a farmer and you know that food was harvested recently, it's likely going to have the highest
00:53:56.360 nutrient composition because it's traveled less. And so that's ideal if you can. And really just
00:54:02.500 making it a family event. This should be something we do with our families. We should get kids
00:54:06.360 talking to farmers interested in food early. And so Googling, trying to find a farmer's market
00:54:11.660 near you, and then walking around and just speaking to the people growing your food and
00:54:14.940 learn how it's done. I mean, this is really something we need to get back in touch with.
00:54:18.880 Yeah. Um, fortunately I live in Southern California, so we have some great produce
00:54:24.140 here around, but yeah, yeah. So, um, well, there's a few options. I mean, certainly again,
00:54:30.020 frozen food, um, you know, buying some of the dry staples in, in bulk, like something like beans
00:54:36.100 and legumes and, and, you know, nuts and seeds and those things, um, are less perishable. Um,
00:54:42.400 there's, and then I think, you know, frozen companies, there's like daily harvest, which
00:54:48.020 can get you organic frozen food direct to your home. And then I would also say there's actually
00:54:52.940 some really unique options you can do, like growing your own food indoors. I have a product
00:54:57.420 called a lettuce grow in my house, which is a vertical indoor farming system. Yeah. And we're
00:55:02.180 growing food all the time in our kitchen. How, how, how much room does this take? I want,
00:55:07.460 tell me everything. I did once interview Elon Musk's brother who is doing this kind of thing.
00:55:11.960 He's big into indoor farming. So I've, I know a little bit, but keep going to explain this.
00:55:15.700 And yeah, you know, I mean, compared to like regenerative agriculture in the soil, it's, it's, it's different, you know, because you're, you're not growing it in like the ground, you're growing it in a vertical farming towel, tower. So mine has 36 slots and you stick a little sprout in each slot. And over the course of one to two months, you get a gigantic head of lettuce, a gigantic head of cauliflower, broccoli, tomatoes, herbs. And so you can actually grow these indoor year round.
00:55:43.960 So when I lived in Bend, Oregon, and it was snowy for four or five months a year, I was actually
00:55:48.380 growing all sorts of produce in my kitchen and in my office. And it basically cycles water through
00:55:53.780 a tower and can grow it with very, very little energy. So unfortunately, the price point of
00:55:59.160 these are still a little bit high. But I think it's amazing how much it gets you back in touch
00:56:04.720 with the miracle of how food is grown. And it's kind of like a gateway, growing a little bit of
00:56:10.000 your own food, even if it's herbs, is almost like a gateway drug to getting to be more inspired by
00:56:15.820 sourcing a food. 100%. I mean, I know that even from my own lame little garden at the beach where
00:56:21.820 we just did the typical cucumbers and tomatoes, but suddenly it was like, oh wow, our own food,
00:56:27.460 it had no pesticides on it. It was grown right outside of our home. It tasted delicious. And we
00:56:32.600 did notice the difference. The pesticides, you know, I, you know, Dr. Mark Sisson, he's not a
00:56:37.000 Dr. Mark Sisson. He's behind Primal Kitchen brand, which is amazing. And I know you must love.
00:56:43.080 He said on the show, he's very leery now of fruits and vegetables. He's very worried about
00:56:51.320 the number of pesticides on your average fruit and vegetable. And he's very, I don't know if
00:56:56.300 he's full paleo on all the meats and so on, but he was leaning that direction more and more.
00:57:02.500 What are your thoughts on that? Because you do have some interesting conclusions on diet
00:57:05.780 and like the various diets that are out there and so on?
00:57:09.720 Yeah, you know, I think that we do need to have a bigger conversation
00:57:14.680 about pesticides in this country because it's just so unchecked.
00:57:18.900 When we think about the companies that are making pesticides in the U.S.,
00:57:23.200 we are buying a lot of these chemicals straight from China
00:57:25.800 and straight from Germany and two American companies.
00:57:29.800 One of the largest merger ever in Germany was the merger of Bayer Monsanto,
00:57:34.260 So a pharmaceutical company, an agrochemical company that are now teaming up.
00:57:38.720 And what's so devastatingly, I don't even want to use that word ironic because it trivializes
00:57:43.980 how serious this is, but Bayer-Monsanto, Bayer makes pharmaceuticals to treat non-Hodgics
00:57:51.020 lymphoma and glyphosate, which is made by Monsanto, has strong links and mechanistic
00:57:58.920 links to the development of non-Hodgics lymphoma.
00:58:01.260 So you think about how dark that is.
00:58:02.540 And it's almost like a revolving door between a merger of a company that creates a product that's virtually unregulated in our country that leads to cancer and then has merged with a company that creates a treatment for that cancer.
00:58:13.100 So that's the type of darkness that we're seeing in the pesticide industry.
00:58:15.980 And, you know, ChemChina, that makes a huge amount of pesticides we buy, we're just funneling billions of dollars towards China to basically sell us chemicals that are invisibly poisoning our food.
00:58:25.140 And these pesticides, if you look at the scientific links to diseases, we know that pesticides are linked to ADHD, to thyroid disease, to sperm dysfunction, female infertility, male infertility, cancer, autism, liver disease.
00:58:38.180 The list goes on, on, and on, and that they actually poison the part of our cell that does metabolic activity, which is the mitochondria.
00:58:45.020 People remember from high school biology, the mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell.
00:58:48.580 It's the key part of the cell that's involved in metabolic health, and it is damaged by
00:58:52.980 pesticides, of which 99% of American foods are grown non-organically, so are using these
00:58:58.800 synthetic pesticides, which have a link, wildly, to Nazi Germany, who was developing organophosphate
00:59:07.000 pesticides as part of their war effort to increase yields to feed German soldiers.
00:59:11.920 And so it's just a very, very dark link.
00:59:14.180 there's been a lot of corruption in that data the monsanto papers was this scandal that came out
00:59:19.360 years ago about monsanto essentially um you know working to silence the the data and massage the
00:59:27.000 data that said that pesticides are safe um and then you look at how this sort of you know how
00:59:32.920 this is happening on the systemic level well we have a farm bill that's renewed every five years
00:59:38.260 And this is a $500 billion-plus bill that is used to help support farmers with crop insurance and subsidies for commodity crop growth.
00:59:50.220 But unfortunately, what this $500 billion bill does is it funds the commodity crops that are turned to ultra-processed foods.
00:59:58.720 So corn, wheat, soy, sugar, beets, things like that, which then become the cheapest possible commodities on the market because taxpayers have funded the subsidies, which then gives a cheap, basically raw material to all the ultra processed food companies to then turn into these ultra processed garbage foods that are built on the backbone of commodity crops.
01:00:22.440 Then they add in toxic colorings and natural flavors and dough conditioners and preservatives to make it taste like food, but really it's built on this bland, taxpayer-funded, pesticide-covered commodity crop through our farm bill.
01:00:37.980 So at the policy level, this is how it gets on our plates, and this is why the unhealthy food is cheaper, because taxpayers are paying for it to be subsidized to be cheaper.
01:00:46.060 And then taxpayers are paying for the environmental externalities from this destructive type of agriculture and for the health care costs of Americans who are getting sick because of this food.
01:00:55.680 So we're paying we're paying four times over for the unhealthy food that is making us sick.
01:01:00.960 And the the devastating part, you know, because it's it's not necessarily, you know, the farmers who are responsible for our health.
01:01:07.200 It's the doctors who are there to help us on our health.
01:01:09.420 But this is the part that's devastating is that there's a devil's bargain that exists right now between ultra processed food who wants to make food as cheap and addictive as possible.
01:01:17.420 So we'll buy more and the health care industry that benefits off of financially benefits off more patients being sick with chronic illnesses and needing treatment over longer periods of time.
01:01:27.380 You would think that doctors would be in the front of the line to be studying what pesticides and plastics and microplastics and artificial colorings and preservatives in our food are doing to our chronic illness.
01:01:37.920 But have you ever heard, you know, someone in the Fauci realm getting up and talking about these things on a microphone saying we have to investigate our foods of life? No. It's someone like RFKJ, who's then being silenced for talking about these things and, you know, being called a fringe lunatic for bringing these things up.
01:01:54.420 And so there's something very dark and backwards around the incentives between these two of the largest industries in the country that unfortunately, and this is an unemotional statement of fact, benefit from more Americans being addicted to taxpayer-subsidized ultra-processed foods filled with toxic additives and a healthcare industry that benefits from more patients having chronic disease over a longer period of time.
01:02:16.320 That brings me to seed oils, which I really want to discuss.
01:02:19.160 But before I get there, I want to just say the conclusion that I reached from reading the book on the number of diets, the kinds of diets, whether it's keto or paleo or Mediterranean.
01:02:28.480 And what I think, you correct me if I'm wrong about your conclusion, because I've been reading a lot of you, so I may have confused it.
01:02:33.100 But I think you reached basically the same conclusion that Peter Attia reached and that he espoused on our show, which was he said he's come to the conclusion that it doesn't really matter which one of those you choose that you shouldn't be choosing.
01:02:45.340 too rigid. But what does matter is the things you're talking about, eating real whole foods,
01:02:51.440 no sugar, no added sugar. We're not talking about the sugar that naturally occurs in like a raspberry,
01:02:55.660 but like the added sugar, avoiding seed oils, trying to at least limit, ideally eliminate
01:03:02.100 alcohol, those kinds of things. But do you have the same conclusion just on, you know,
01:03:06.720 eat kind of the general plan you want, but make sure you follow these guidelines.
01:03:09.980 Yeah. We have to realize that the diet wars are a charade. Diet controversy is intended to confuse
01:03:18.380 us so that as consumers, we're spinning our wheels and not sure what to eat and grasping
01:03:23.500 for different solutions sold to us by marketers and the food industry. We are being distracted
01:03:29.960 from what matters, which is that the vast majority of American calories and the foods that are being
01:03:35.480 gavage down kids throats is pesticide covered plastic filled chemical laden science experiment
01:03:44.240 food from a factory that is destroying our cellular health so step one two three four five
01:03:49.960 is to get off ultra processed foods before even talking about a dietary philosophy so that's
01:03:57.780 number one the second piece and you know and you know just look at the world there are so many
01:04:02.840 different traditional types of diets all over the world with different macronutrient compositions
01:04:06.840 and different types of foods that people are eating. And we are designed as humans to have
01:04:14.560 all these redundant pathways in our body that can use different types of foods to generate cellular
01:04:18.600 health. But the common denominator between a carnivore diet that leads someone to improve
01:04:24.180 their metabolic health and a vegan diet that leads someone to improve their metabolic health
01:04:27.720 is real, unprocessed, clean food. So there's more commonalities than differences. So I just
01:04:33.480 want to be very clear. The diet wars are a distraction from what matters, which is eating
01:04:39.440 high-quality, nutrient-filled, non-chemically-laden food. So that is the key point, is that many
01:04:48.780 industries benefit off of our mass confusion about diet. And there's another piece of the puzzle
01:04:54.880 here, which I think is actually a really beautiful aspect of the world that we're living in right now
01:04:59.600 and the technological advancements that have happened in science, which is that we have access
01:05:04.060 to a lot of testing and biomarker lab work, things like that, that can actually tell us each if our
01:05:11.560 diet is working for us. So right now, over 50% of Americans, when you survey them, they're
01:05:16.480 completely confused about nutrition. They don't know what to eat and they feel paralyzed by all
01:05:19.920 the choices and the different diet wars. But what people don't understand is that when we understand
01:05:26.440 the basics of our foundational lab work, simple tests that any doctor can order, and we take some
01:05:31.500 ownership and start really being the CEO of our health and not just fully outsourcing our health
01:05:37.120 data to daddy doctor, when we start taking some more ownership over that, which the healthcare
01:05:42.400 system has indoctrinated patients to believe that they are not smart enough to understand their lab
01:05:47.460 work, which is incorrect. I think every fifth grader in America can understand their basic
01:05:51.540 lab work and the physiology behind it. And that's why I lay it out in my book, things like
01:05:54.900 triglyceride levels, HGL cholesterol, fasting glucose levels, what does a blood pressure mean?
01:05:59.940 You know, these, these basic lab work, if we track those over time and we understand the basics about
01:06:05.720 them, we can see whether the diet we're eating is generating metabolic health and is generating
01:06:12.620 the conditions in our body that will help us avoid chronic disease. So the two key points here are
01:06:18.460 eat unprocessed real food as local as possible, ideally connect with farmers if you can,
01:06:25.420 and check your biomarkers every two to three times a year, the basics. You don't need to do
01:06:29.140 any fancy expensive stuff, stuff that's covered by insurance and track whether it's working for
01:06:33.300 you. Right now, when we look at basic metabolic lab work, 93% of American adults are not getting
01:06:42.000 a good mark for the basic five metabolic biomarkers, which is glucose, triglycerides,
01:06:46.840 HDL, cholesterol, waist circumference, and blood pressure. 93.2% of Americans are not
01:06:52.020 optimally managed on those biomarkers. So each of us needs to know those things for ourself.
01:06:59.060 And then as we engage in dietary strategies and try different things on, check routinely,
01:07:04.900 and you can actually be very clear whether it's working for you or not. You don't have to be
01:07:09.100 confused and you don't have to outsource that information completely to your doctor.
01:07:12.440 It's amazing. I saw recently my cardiologist, I go once a year, and we were talking about how to
01:07:18.860 make sure you maintain heart health. And he was saying, make sure you have a low in saturated fat
01:07:23.820 diet. But we did not discuss any of this. None of this was raised by one of the best cardiologists
01:07:31.200 in New York, which is obviously a big city. And what you are saying is it's really not
01:07:37.560 about the amount of saturated fat in your diet. It's about what kind of foods are you taking in
01:07:44.060 net-net on a 24 and seven-day-a-week basis. And if you're eating low in saturated fat,
01:07:50.500 but you're eating high in processed foods and seed oils and a lot of sugar,
01:07:55.880 you're probably still going to have unfavorable heart results.
01:08:00.760 Right. And I think that we all are biochemically individual. So what really matters is the
01:08:05.560 interaction between the saturated fat and your body, and then how that's actually leading to
01:08:09.560 your health outcomes. And right now we can understand a lot about our health outcomes
01:08:13.600 with the tools available to us. So the biomarker testing, you know, we have all the wearables that
01:08:17.720 we could wear now, like the Oura rings, and there's even continuous glucose monitors that
01:08:21.720 can track that. And then there's also studies that we can do to actually see inside things
01:08:26.280 like our heart vessels, like calcium scores, or clearly scans, or carotid intimal thickness
01:08:31.640 ultrasounds. There's tests that we can do to truly know what our risk is. And so I think
01:08:39.840 there's a huge emergence really outside the healthcare system, more in the entrepreneurial
01:08:43.820 world, to democratize access to this testing so that we don't have to walk around feeling confused
01:08:50.340 and we can have some more empowerment about understanding the biomarkers that truly tell
01:08:55.680 us about foundational cellular health and how this confluence of factors in our environment is
01:09:00.260 interacting with our own bodies to generate health or or not and so what does the aura ring show you
01:09:06.140 held up your your finger i've seen people wear this but i haven't looked into it the aura ring
01:09:12.020 um it's it's using essentially a light spectroscopy technology to to understand some factors that are
01:09:18.380 going on in your body so it tells you about your resting heart rate tells you about your sleep so
01:09:21.860 different stages of sleep um how much REM deep sleep light sleep you're getting total time of
01:09:26.880 sleep, total time in bed, which are often very different. It's telling you about your heart rate
01:09:31.840 variability, which is a metric of basically how much time is between each heartbeat. And that's
01:09:37.060 actually an objective measure of how much stress our bodies are under. It also tracks my temperature
01:09:41.660 and pairs with an app called the Natural Cycles app, which is the only FDA approved form of birth
01:09:48.720 control that's essentially a digital app. And so the temperature, I think this is astonishing,
01:09:53.180 Megan, I think most women, I didn't learn this until I was in my mid thirties, but you can
01:09:57.160 actually track where you are in your hormonal cycle and your monthly cycle by just looking at
01:10:00.900 your basal body temperature, which can be done through the ring. And so I have just learned so
01:10:05.120 much about my own biology and my own cycle just by wearing an aura ring and then understanding
01:10:10.040 how that relates to my monthly cycle. So I can know the exact day I'm ovulating. I can, it can
01:10:14.940 predict the exact day I'm going to get my period. And I just feel so much more in touch with that
01:10:19.440 beautiful cyclical nature of my female body by having a ring that's telling me that so you know
01:10:24.120 resting heart rate that's a really important biomarker because the lower our resting heart
01:10:28.260 rate is um sort of the better our cardiac outcomes are be the less stress the heart is under to be
01:10:34.480 um you know pumping blood so that's that's something you can see from the ring and i
01:10:38.060 really want to see my resting heart rate be in that like high 40s low 50s you know the the mayo
01:10:43.600 clinic says 60 to 100 is fine but we actually know that as we get up closer to a resting heart
01:10:49.000 rate of 100 beats per minute, it portends much worse health outcomes than if we're in that lower
01:10:54.100 range. And so it lets you just zoom in on kind of day-to-day what's happening with these inputs,
01:11:00.060 like how much sleep am I getting and how much movement am I getting? It also tracks your steps,
01:11:04.620 of course. And so you can stay accountable to the key metabolic inputs that we know have an
01:11:13.120 impact on our health outcomes. So it's accountability. Well, you talk about the
01:11:16.180 continuous glucose monitor too, which you said, I mean, the book goes through in detail how this
01:11:21.120 will help you monitor your life and how well you're doing and the glucose in your body and
01:11:24.540 the insulin and all that. But I don't understand. Is this something like, does it puncture you?
01:11:29.580 Like how, how does it work? Yeah. So it's a sensor that you wear on the back of your arm
01:11:34.620 and it does have a small little probe that's four millimeters long. It's like fishing wire.
01:11:39.360 It's very small. You can't feel it. And that does puncture the skin. So this little probe
01:11:43.220 is essentially sitting in the fluid around your cells in your arm, and it's constantly sampling
01:11:47.900 your blood sugar levels and sending that information to your smartphone. So you can
01:11:51.220 see in real time what's happening to your blood sugar levels. And your blood sugar levels matter
01:11:54.920 because as we become metabolically dysfunctional, we sort of have this problem in the body with
01:11:59.400 how the body's making energy, how the mitochondria are converting food to energy in our bodies,
01:12:03.980 what's going to happen? And as I mentioned, that problem is happening, not just because of the
01:12:07.800 food we're eating, but also because of the lack of sleep and the lack of movement and the
01:12:11.840 environmental toxins, that's all synergistically destroying our cellular health. What's going to
01:12:15.780 happen when we become metabolically dysfunctional is the cells are actually going to reject glucose
01:12:20.080 sugar from coming into the cells because they can't do a good job of processing it anymore
01:12:24.560 because the cell is essentially metabolically broken. So our blood sugar levels are going to
01:12:28.360 rise in the bloodstream because it's not being able to be taken out of the bloodstream into the
01:12:32.260 cells. So because metabolic dysfunction is affecting 93% of Americans today, tracking your
01:12:38.100 blood sugar can give you this basically constant movie of what's happening with this key metabolic
01:12:43.560 biomarker. So when you have breakfast, you can look and instantly see how did that breakfast
01:12:49.780 affect your blood sugar. And then you might be able to make some tweaks. Okay, well, I had oatmeal
01:12:54.580 and my blood sugar went up 100 points, which is very, very high. Maybe tomorrow I'll add a little
01:12:59.060 bit of fiber. I'll add some fat. I'll add some protein. I'll take a walk after breakfast to try
01:13:03.960 and minimize that huge blood sugar rise that I had after that meal. So it lets you have this
01:13:10.140 closed loop feedback between what you're eating, how your sleep is, what exercises you're doing,
01:13:15.820 and what's actually happening with your blood sugar, this key metabolic biomarkers.
01:13:19.880 I want to tell the audience that there are so many helpful tips in the book. Again,
01:13:22.560 it's called Good Energy by Casey Means MD, like take a 15-minute walk after your meals. That
01:13:28.200 actually helps with the insulin and the glucose levels. When you're eating a meal, let's face it,
01:13:32.660 people are not going to give up carbs. They're not, they're not going to give up pasta permanently
01:13:35.700 or rice or all that. But there's a way of eating your meal where if you, if you have Casey writes,
01:13:40.360 like a handful of almonds, maybe before you go out, have a little, a little bit of fat. And,
01:13:45.880 and maybe when you eat your meal, you have that salad first and then you eat your protein first.
01:13:50.300 And then you finish up maybe 10, 12, 15 minutes after that with the starchy thing, like your
01:13:56.540 potato or your pasta, even that can help you keep these glucose and these insulin levels
01:14:03.280 managed. So you're not totally unrealistic. Like we're just never going to have pasta again.
01:14:08.320 You know, we're just, you know, the people realistically won't live like that, but
01:14:11.920 there are these little tips where you can live like a normal person,
01:14:15.380 but minimize the damage that you have been doing.
01:14:19.600 That's exactly, that's exactly right. And I think everyone's had the experience where they've had a
01:14:23.480 post-meal crash, you know, where you have a meal and then a little bit later you feel exhausted
01:14:27.680 and you want to take a nap and, you know, are feeling tired. And what's so interesting with
01:14:31.940 something like a continuous glucose monitor is you can actually see what's happening in your body
01:14:35.640 when you have that subjective experience of a crash. And often what's happening is that
01:14:40.080 we've skyrocketed our blood sugar levels with probably refined sugars, refined carbs,
01:14:45.680 not a balanced meal. And then the body sees that huge blood sugar spike and wants to lower it
01:14:52.120 because it doesn't like that big blood sugar spikes can lead to problems like inflammation
01:14:56.400 and sugar sticking to things in the body, which is not good. That's called glycation.
01:15:00.300 So the body releases all this insulin to soak up all that glucose out of the bloodstream into the
01:15:04.360 cells. And sometimes it will overshoot and you will crash and you'll see your blood sugar actually
01:15:09.640 going beneath your baseline pre-meal. That is often when people feel tired, low energy, jittery,
01:15:16.440 have more cravings for carbohydrates because the body really wants to get the blood sugar back up
01:15:21.380 to baseline. And so it drives you to want carbohydrates. So I think for many people,
01:15:27.020 when we're eating the standard American diet, we're on this blood sugar roller coaster all
01:15:31.680 day long, we're up down and then we have to compensate to get back up. So we eat some carbs
01:15:35.280 and then we're up and down. And what's just amazing when you're using tools like this,
01:15:40.320 um, is that you can really see that as you stabilize your blood sugar with simple tweaks,
01:15:44.380 like what you were just talking about, pairing carbohydrates with protein and fiber, taking
01:15:48.520 walks after meals, getting better sleep, managing your stress better, our day actually feels a lot
01:15:53.580 more stable like subjectively, like our mood and our mental health and our sense of ability to
01:15:59.580 focus and our energy and things like that. That's not to say that people need this technology to
01:16:04.220 reap the benefits of what you can learn from it. There's lots of principles like the ones we just
01:16:09.440 talked about that anyone can apply to the way they craft a meal with or without a sensor and
01:16:15.160 but it's cool that you can see if you want it, the information is right there. You don't have
01:16:19.100 to live. You don't have to move into Casey's house. You can have some of this information
01:16:23.740 feedback in your own house for, you know, relatively inexpensive price. All right.
01:16:27.740 There's so much I want to get to in the half an hour we have left. Can you do, can you explain
01:16:32.040 quickly seed oils? Because Dr. Kate Shanahan, she came on the show. Uh, they are the hateful eight
01:16:37.620 canola, soybean, corn, sunflower, safflower, grapeseed, red bran, and cottonseed oils.
01:16:43.300 good oils would include avocado coconut what else olive oil coconut avocado and then things like
01:16:55.680 ghee and and beef tallow um you know duck fat things like that things that are much more natural
01:17:02.280 and have been less refined things these are fats that our bodies have evolved to eat over millennia
01:17:07.540 the issue with seed oils um which is one of the most controversial topics right now
01:17:11.960 in the world for whether they're healthy or not.
01:17:15.760 I think you've got to back up a little bit
01:17:17.660 and realize a couple of things.
01:17:19.520 One, that this is now the predominant source of calories
01:17:22.820 in the American diet is these seed oils
01:17:25.220 that are in everything.
01:17:26.400 They are in every processed food.
01:17:28.520 They're in salad dressing.
01:17:29.340 It's so hard to find food without them.
01:17:30.580 Marinades.
01:17:31.520 You can barely go to Whole Foods
01:17:33.320 and find a food without seed oils anymore.
01:17:36.020 I was complaining last Friday,
01:17:37.620 I had on Dr. Marjorie McCary and I was saying,
01:17:39.840 okay, we want to get nuts,
01:17:40.760 just healthy nuts for the kids to snack on, right? So you go, good luck finding a nut. The
01:17:44.760 only ones you can find is maybe pistachios and macadamia nuts that haven't been treated with
01:17:50.780 canola oil. And you know, the kids, they don't want the raw nuts. They want something that's
01:17:55.240 been like a little like flavored, but I have been able to find macadamia nuts and pistachios that
01:17:59.680 say ingredients, nuts and salt. That's it. But everything else, canola, canola, canola.
01:18:06.680 Always, always.
01:18:07.900 And it's devastating to see like what's even happened to Whole Foods.
01:18:10.880 You know, the integrity and the standards of what they used to consider healthy have
01:18:15.420 slipped so much where nine of the 10 things I pick up at a Whole Foods these days have
01:18:20.520 too much sugar, seed oils, or they're not organic.
01:18:24.020 So it's unfortunate.
01:18:26.960 But so these seed oils have burst onto the scene and many of them were actually created
01:18:32.300 in the wake of Rockefeller's work with oil refining
01:18:36.080 as essentially they needed something to do
01:18:38.620 with some of the byproducts of the oil refining.
01:18:40.740 And so in a sense, we're kind of eating like an engine lubricant
01:18:43.500 when we eat these seed oils.
01:18:44.920 And they are not foods that we had 150, 200 years ago.
01:18:49.440 They're brand new and they're highly concentrated
01:18:51.380 and rich for omega-6 fats, which are pro-inflammatory.
01:18:54.680 They get incorporated rapidly into our cell membranes
01:18:57.680 and have an impact on how our cells function.
01:18:59.920 they outcompete other healthier forms of fat for places in our cell membrane so they're actually
01:19:05.680 changing really the structural integrity of our body and i think you know we have to take into
01:19:11.020 account the fact that these are generally stored in clear plastic bottles that plastic can you
01:19:16.480 know anything that's stored in a thin plastic bottle like a vegetable oil can have those
01:19:21.680 microplastics leaching into it you know you often see avocado oil or olive oil in a glass bottle but
01:19:27.080 these seed oils are almost always in a plastic bottle, clear plastic bottles that light is
01:19:31.820 getting in. It's oxidizing the oils that can make them more damaging. And they're just the
01:19:37.380 majority of fats we're eating and they're devoid of really any nutritional value. I think if you
01:19:41.400 really want to lose your lunch, you should Google a video of how canola oil is made.
01:19:45.660 You know, how is olive oil or avocado? We did it because I heard you say that. And so we have at
01:19:50.580 least one here is a little look at how they make it the very natural canola oil watch it's the
01:19:57.900 flakes into a screw press it has a large revolving screw shaped shaft enclosed within a slotted cage
01:20:04.600 as the shaft turns its threads squeeze the flakes with high pressure forcing out the oil which then
01:20:11.240 drains out through the slots a 70 minute wash with a solvent this chemical extraction process
01:20:17.120 removes all but a trace of oil so the next step is to cool the oil to five degrees celsius
01:20:24.140 this thickens those waxes so they can be filtered out the waxes don't go to waste either the factory
01:20:32.120 uses them listening audience you've got to go to youtube.com after washing and filtering the oil
01:20:36.700 they bleach it to lighten the color then use a steam injection heating process to remove the
01:20:42.320 canola odor. The oil is now fully refined and ready for bottling.
01:20:48.340 The listening audience, it looks like they put that through a car engine. That's really what
01:20:51.840 it reminded me of. Putting it through a car engine and then feeding it to you.
01:20:54.580 I don't want that in my body. And then on top of that, you do have to think about the bigger
01:20:58.540 picture environmental impact because these are, again, taxpayer-funded commodity crops
01:21:03.100 that are covered in glyphosate and pesticides, which are hormone disruptors. And so you're
01:21:10.580 essentially by buying that oil and using it, we're also promoting a system that's driving this
01:21:15.000 monoculture that's destroying the soil in our country and will probably lead to some type of
01:21:19.700 food collapse in the future because of what we're doing to our soil. And so much of that land is
01:21:24.340 being used to grow this stuff that's just going into seed oils. It takes like a ton.
01:21:27.800 Wait, I'm just having my aha moment here on how kids are going into early puberty and the sperm
01:21:34.120 count is going down and girls are having PCOS more than ever. Even if you have a household that's
01:21:40.200 feeding them vegetables and fruits. Unless you're eliminating seed oils, they're getting the
01:21:48.140 pesticides that you just listed, that glucosophate, whatever it is. That way, they're coming in
01:21:53.860 through what's in your pantry. And this stuff could be leading to a lot of that, no?
01:21:59.460 There's three things that we really need to be thinking about when we're talking about
01:22:03.360 hormone disruption that is rampant right now. Like you said, I mean, a devastating statistic
01:22:08.540 is that early onset puberty is now becoming like epidemic in our country. American girls are 1.00
01:22:14.740 starting puberty years earlier than any other continent in the world. And it has declined about
01:22:21.800 six years, the onset of puberty in the past hundred years. And we're also seeing a huge rise
01:22:28.740 in hormone driven cancers, like breast cancer, which is an estrogen driven cancer. On top of
01:22:34.420 that we're seeing a sustained decline in sperm count and a sustained decline in total fertility
01:22:40.560 rate and women's infertility, the leading cause of which is polycystic ovarian syndrome is
01:22:44.960 skyrocketing. So across the hormonal spectrum, we are being destroyed and devastated. I mean,
01:22:51.360 I can't, I'm 36 years old. I cannot talk, I cannot have a conversation with friends in my age group
01:22:55.680 without the topic of infertility or IVF or egg freezing coming up. So we have to back up and say,
01:23:01.620 what the hell is going on. Two of the big factors I think we need to be investigating are both
01:23:07.080 pesticides and plastics. So, you know, plastic is everywhere. Plastic is ubiquitous. It's literally
01:23:14.860 in every single thing. It's our sheets are made of polyester. Our clothes are made of polyester.
01:23:18.720 Every bottle in our home is made of plastic. All our food containers are plastic. Plastics are now
01:23:23.620 in our air, nanoparticulized plastics in our air. It's in our water supply. It's on our food. It's
01:23:29.280 in our homes, we're covered in it. And plastics and pesticides can disrupt estrogen receptor
01:23:36.480 signaling, act as xenoestrogens, which essentially create a pro-estrogenic environment in our bodies
01:23:44.140 and other pesticides like atrazine, which is illegal overseas, but which we use about
01:23:49.580 70 million pounds of in our country each year, can actually convert testosterone to estrogen.
01:23:55.820 And so, you know, just as a real wake up call to people, we talk about does organic matter?
01:24:02.120 It's like these chemicals that are invisible and are on our food can convert testosterone
01:24:07.600 to estrogen.
01:24:09.440 So why would we not be worried about that when all of these hormone related issues are
01:24:16.560 skyrocketing in our culture?
01:24:19.240 So one of the easiest things that I think we can do to clean things up is to just, you
01:24:23.040 know, we got to filter our water.
01:24:24.260 we should avoid pesticides on our foods and we should really try and minimize the amount of
01:24:29.400 plastic that's in our homes and on our foods and things like that. I have a question for you from
01:24:36.060 Debbie Murphy, who is my executive producer for news. She's been with me forever. And she has a
01:24:42.520 question I think a lot of moms want to know about, which is, okay, you get the non-pesticide-laden
01:24:48.760 fruits and veggies into your house, and then you send your kid off to school and you put it in the
01:24:53.240 little plastic baggie. And your alternative, you don't want to put it in the little plastic baggie
01:24:56.920 to send your kid to school with it, is to try to put it in glass, which is heavy, and the little
01:25:00.760 kid could break it, and the school doesn't love it. And so I think a lot of us struggle with that.
01:25:05.600 You may have this good, clean food, and then you shove it in plastic, or you shove it in Reynolds
01:25:09.380 wrap, and it's like, well, that's aluminum. Same thing with bottled water. You have it in plastic.
01:25:14.940 Or, oh, wait, is the aluminum any healthier? What are your thoughts on that?
01:25:18.100 yeah i mean yeah we want to avoid the aluminum too because aluminum is is a neurotoxin um that's
01:25:24.700 you know filling the vaccines that we're using and that's in you know we're drinking these
01:25:30.660 aluminum cans that are also lined with plastic so we're getting both plastic and aluminum i mean
01:25:34.400 it's everywhere i think i think it comes back to i mean we don't want to get discouraged um i think
01:25:38.740 one of the things that always keeps me hopeful is realizing that like all of this is just a few
01:25:42.700 decades old like we have forgotten that but we actually got into this mess just over the course
01:25:47.860 of like half a century so we can absolutely get ourselves out of it but we do need to wake up
01:25:52.980 and realize what's happening and think about our priorities right like we need to get creative
01:25:57.480 we need all hands on deck we need our we need our brains to be functioning properly so that we can
01:26:01.720 address these issues that are all of this is slipping into culture because of industry interests
01:26:08.000 and we're we're kind of allowing it to happen but we have a lot of agency and i think we need to
01:26:13.180 we really need to, like I talked about earlier, get back in touch before solutions, before talking
01:26:20.080 about like, well, what better than a plastic baggie or a Reynolds wrap? We need to get back
01:26:24.520 to the basics, which is more spiritual, I think, which is the fact that like, what do we want from
01:26:29.760 this lifetime? What do we even think about this lifetime? Are we connecting with our spirituality
01:26:33.820 and the fact that we are having this like absolutely miraculous cosmic experience as
01:26:40.180 spirits in a body for 70 to 90 years on this planet once in eternity? You know, like,
01:26:46.860 what are our priorities, you know? And then if we ground in that, whether that's a spiritual
01:26:53.160 belief or religious belief, and really invest in that and just kind of unplug a little bit from
01:26:57.300 this distraction industrial tech complex that wants us to totally forget about the miraculousness of
01:27:03.200 experience of life. Once we do unplug from that, then think about, okay, what do I want to do in
01:27:08.160 this lifetime? What is my purpose? You know, where am I trying to get? And I think realizing
01:27:13.900 that the temple of the body, which is impacted by all of these things we're talking about,
01:27:18.180 this is our gateway to reaching our highest purpose, to connecting with God during this
01:27:24.280 lifetime. And I say all that not to take us off topic, but because we get really caught up in how
01:27:31.980 difficult all the micro decisions are around our lives and how tough it is with the schools and
01:27:37.260 the school lunches and the baggies and the lotions have artificial fragrances in them
01:27:40.840 and the plastics, but I think we got to ground this in like the real core truth, which is
01:27:45.320 that, you know, we're off course as a culture, our priorities are misaligned, we're missing
01:27:51.620 what matters, we are totally distracted by tech and by all of this environmental stuff
01:27:56.320 destroying our biology and making us not think clearly, we got to get back on track from
01:28:01.280 that place, then we can talk about solutions, which is like, yeah, I, I want to invest my time
01:28:08.040 and in sourcing healthy food and in trying to find alternatives. So that might be a silicone
01:28:13.060 baggie. I don't know. It might be, you know, wrapping your kid's sandwich in butcher paper
01:28:17.660 rather than a plastic baggie. But, um, I think, you know, I'm, you know, there's certainly
01:28:24.340 infinite solutions to kind of like piece through each of these filter our water,
01:28:28.860 you know, this and that. But fundamentally, I just think it needs to be grounded in a sense of like
01:28:33.080 not overwhelm, but actually like I'm committed to prioritizing this in my life because I am
01:28:40.900 disgusted by how culture is going. Like I'm going to get a water filter on at least my kitchen sink
01:28:47.380 and then you do it and then you're done with that one. Like some of it is just like, I'm going to
01:28:52.620 do some planning to improve my life. I want to say a couple of things because I just want to get
01:28:56.940 these out because I know our time is short and you have to catch a flight. Okay. So there's,
01:29:02.640 we should spend a minute on sugar. Sugar's the devil. I just did the thing. I did a Google search
01:29:08.600 and found out that you're, my kids are allowed to have 25 grams of sugar a day, according to the
01:29:14.180 recommendations. So that's not so bad. You could have like one ice cream a day. Your position is
01:29:20.340 it's zero. It's zero. Hello. We, the sugar is terrible for us. So I want to go back to that,
01:29:25.480 But just a couple other things quickly. We do need to be exercising. Walking is great throughout the day. Not one exercise, not one hour, not sit at a desk all day and then do one hour of exercise all day long.
01:29:37.480 little movements, wall sits, mini little squats, even if it's one minute or two minutes an hour,
01:29:44.200 that's actually better for you than just the one hour and eight hours of sitting.
01:29:49.140 And actually you cite somebody in there. I think it, I can't remember who it is, but in any event,
01:29:54.500 it's saying, in fact, if you sit all day and then you just do that one hour of exercise,
01:29:59.580 you're probably undoing the effects of all that, of that one hour of exercise by all that sitting.
01:30:03.300 Sitting is the devil. Sitting is death. You will die if you sit all day. So that's one thing.
01:30:09.380 And the other weird thing, I'm just jumping around so I can get these things out while
01:30:12.240 you're still here, see which one you want to talk about, is the hot and cold therapy is good.
01:30:17.600 Saunas are good. Cold plunges are good. You don't have to have necessarily a cold plunge to do it.
01:30:22.260 You can just turn on the cold, cold shower for two minutes at the end. All that stuff is like
01:30:26.040 testing your body. And sleep, sleep, sleep. This is in your book, and we've had other sleep extras
01:30:31.780 on, but it matters. It matters. Get at least seven hours. And here's the weirdest, but most
01:30:36.200 interesting thing that jumped out at me in this whole thing. Do not take your grocery store
01:30:41.140 receipts. Say, I don't want my receipt. Okay. So take your pick out of all those, but those are
01:30:46.460 just quick rules for the audience listening at home. Yeah. Those are the keys. And, you know,
01:30:51.000 as you read the book, you realize that all of these things are basically doing the same thing
01:30:56.020 when we sleep and we avoid the toxins and we move more throughout the day. What we're doing is we're
01:31:01.700 giving our body signals to help mitochondria and our cells do their best work. So it all funnels
01:31:08.100 through this core foundational pathway that lets us have just foundational health. And these are,
01:31:14.820 of course, didn't learn any of these things in medical school, had to learn all of this after
01:31:17.820 medical school. And so, yes, absolutely. You know, I think that it is helpful to talk a little bit
01:31:25.920 about the walking that you were talking about, because I think this is very free and practical
01:31:29.960 and actionable for people. What the research shows that if we're able to move a little bit
01:31:36.300 every hour throughout the day, so just get up and walk around the block or walk around our house,
01:31:41.040 do a few air squats, just move our muscles. What that does is it actually keeps our glucose
01:31:46.540 channels, our blood sugar channels on our cell membrane all throughout the day so that we're
01:31:50.840 constantly able to take blood sugar out of the bloodstream and use it. If we sit all day and
01:31:55.340 just exercise for one hour during the day, we're actually keeping those glucose channels inside the
01:32:01.020 cell for most of the day and keeping that blood sugar floating around the bloodstream. And so
01:32:05.700 it's a very different physiology if we're just, you know, doing these little micro hits of movement
01:32:09.740 all throughout the day versus sitting all day and then exercising for an hour. Of course, that
01:32:13.660 hour has a huge benefit and it's great for your mitochondrial health and your aerobic health.
01:32:18.400 But what we want to do is we want to be exercising, but also sprinkling little two minute bursts of
01:32:23.880 motion throughout the day to keep those cells constantly metabolically active. So this is the
01:32:30.440 simple stuff like park farther away from the store when you're in the parking lot so you can walk a
01:32:35.680 little bit farther, setting those little alarms on your phone for every 45 minutes or an hour to
01:32:40.040 remind you to get up and move. It actually has a monumental impact on our 24-hour blood sugar
01:32:45.100 levels. One of the things you recommend is the treadmill desk, which I said to the team, I'm like,
01:32:49.280 what is this treadmill desk? Can you guys get me a videotape of it? And three of the members
01:32:53.780 of my staff said we all have them. Here's Debbie Murphy. This is Canadian Debbie. For those of you
01:32:58.440 listening at home, you know her well. She's been with me since 2007 at Fox. And here she is up in
01:33:03.080 Canada. Boo, Canada. Walking on her treadmill. This is Kelly McGuire. Here we go. Another 0.88
01:33:11.640 Canadian producer. All my staff is in Canada. I don't know why. Okay, this is Natasha. She produced
01:33:17.600 this segment. Casey, there's your book. So she's not in Canada. She's down in Texas. But anyway,
01:33:23.780 Three of my staff are actually reading and writing and doing real work on the treadmill desks.
01:33:30.180 Yeah. Pretty much the only thing I do sitting indoors is podcasts because it's a much better
01:33:35.100 environment and I've got the good background. But to my right right now is my treadmill desk. I have
01:33:39.020 a bright pink treadmill desk. This desk will raise after the podcast. And I actually have
01:33:43.740 a standing desk outside. I'm pointing to my glass sliding door right now, just an old desk that I
01:33:49.900 have a little structure on top of so I can stand. And I move my treadmill desk indoors and outdoors
01:33:54.240 throughout the day. And that gets to another point about metabolic health that I think
01:33:58.100 is sort of under, under the radar, which is we need to be spending more time outside
01:34:02.400 astronomically more time outside. The research on this is insane. Humans are spending about
01:34:10.920 94% of their time in inside a house or inside a car, only about 6% of their time outdoors on this
01:34:18.300 spectacular, beautiful planet that we have this privilege to live on. And this has so,
01:34:24.600 I know, I know. I mean, it's, so my, my ask, my invitation for people is try to find things that
01:34:31.660 you are doing right now, indoor and seated during the day, and just find a way to do some of them
01:34:36.400 outside and ideally some of them outside and standing. So this could be, instead of catching
01:34:40.700 up with your partner on the couch at the end of the day, take a walk around the block together.
01:34:44.800 If you are opening your mail that you just got from your mailbox, instead of bringing it inside and sitting to look at the mail, maybe stand outside at a table and do it.
01:34:53.680 The reason for this is multifactorial.
01:34:55.600 The first is that our circadian rhythms are being destroyed in our modern culture where we're being blasted with blue light from the screens and we're spending 94% of our time indoors separated from sunlight.
01:35:06.840 Sunlight is a form of energy that actually hits our cells in our retina and on our skin
01:35:15.880 and tells our body what time it is.
01:35:17.600 It tells our body that it's daytime and the absent of light energy, it tells our body
01:35:21.160 it's nighttime.
01:35:22.340 That's important because we're diurnal animals.
01:35:25.260 We do certain biologic activity during the day and we do certain biological activity
01:35:28.880 at night.
01:35:29.320 And in our modern world where we're separated from sunlight all day and we're blasting our
01:35:33.380 retinas with blue light at night, our bodies are completely confused about what to do during
01:35:38.020 different times of the day. And again, the chronic disease epidemic is basically mass confusion
01:35:41.920 of our cells and circadian biology is a big part of that. And the way we can actually fix that
01:35:46.640 is spending more time exposing our retina without sunglasses. You don't want to look straight at the
01:35:51.180 sun, but you want to just be outside with the sunlight. Even if it's cloudy, that's fine.
01:35:54.920 There's still photons coming through and you want your skin and your retina to basically see
01:35:59.260 what time of day it is so it knows what genetic and cell signaling pathways to do. And then at
01:36:04.560 night, of course, once the sun goes down and different pathways need to be activated in our
01:36:08.980 body for biology, we want to basically separate from all that blasting light. So dim lights,
01:36:13.900 maybe use the blue light blocking glasses, turn your devices onto dark mode, or put a red lights
01:36:19.540 filter on your computer. You want to reduce that blue light blasting your retinas. And all of this
01:36:24.640 is to help your body know what time it is so it can do the biological alternatives it's supposed
01:36:28.280 to. So the second piece aside from circadian biology about going outdoors, it's so important
01:36:32.980 is that the air is actually cleaner outside than it is inside our homes. Our, our home air is
01:36:39.700 actually usually more polluted than what it would be outside. There's no exceptions to this. Like
01:36:46.360 if you live right next to a big highway, but typically because of all the carpeting and the
01:36:50.360 paint and the plastics and the dust in our homes, it's actually more polluted. And air pollution is
01:36:55.800 a huge cause of why we're sick. So just get outside, spend more time breathing fresh air.
01:37:01.100 And of course, the third piece gets back to the spiritual. When we go outside, we get away from
01:37:06.200 our myopic tunnel vision that happens when we're locked inside these cages of our four walls of our
01:37:11.480 offices. And we see that there's a bigger picture. We see that there is beautiful nature doing its
01:37:18.460 thing out there. We see that there's stars and moon and sun in the sky. We see that there are
01:37:22.860 birds flying around and we realize that this is all bigger than us. And we need to actually
01:37:26.580 realize that we're interconnected to everything else on planet earth and in the universe and have
01:37:31.020 more awe for that. And so for multiple, and that actually, and that, that sounds a little bit,
01:37:36.560 you know, woo woo, but in reality, there is research that shows that when you spend time
01:37:41.080 around trees and when you spend time outdoors, it significantly lowers our stress hormone levels,
01:37:45.660 which have an impact on our metabolic health. So circadian biology, uh, unpolluted, less polluted
01:37:50.620 air and lowering our cortisol levels are all reasons that just spending more time outdoors
01:37:57.200 can transform our health. And when we sit inside at our desks, on our computers, on our phones,
01:38:01.840 we get scared, we get small. We think the world is a terrible place because that's all we're
01:38:06.440 seeing. So that's why it matters. Let me ask you a couple of quick, quick ones. Okay. Cause we only
01:38:10.620 have a couple of minutes left and I'd love to get these answers. Why, why shouldn't we take
01:38:14.800 our grocery store receipt? So the thermal ink on receipts actually is an endocrine-disrupting
01:38:20.940 chemical and can actually affect our hormone health. And so we don't want to touch our receipts.
01:38:26.720 Yeah. And that thermal ink, we should just not touch. So just decline the receipt
01:38:31.080 or ask for an electronic receipt. Brilliant. Got it. Bottle water?
01:38:37.760 Avoid bottled water from a plastic bottle. These are filled with nanoparticles of microplastic,
01:38:43.960 which again can have estrogenic effects. And actually, we now know that plastics that are in
01:38:50.880 these bottled waters, they actually can go into our cells, these nanoparticles, and disturb our
01:38:58.260 mitochondrial function by actually going inside our cells. One thing that I think is astonishing
01:39:04.200 that is not being talked about yet by doctors is the fact that the ubiquity of plastic in our
01:39:09.380 air, water, food, and homes, which is an invention that was only created a hundred years ago,
01:39:15.320 brand new. Um, it's changing the way we're going to have to practice medicine because now
01:39:20.480 coronary plaques, like the plaques that block our arteries that go from our heart to our brain,
01:39:25.920 we can do a surgery called a carotid endorectomy to take out those plaques. And they're looking at
01:39:30.120 those plaques under a microscope now. And 55% of plaques are now filled with microplastics.
01:39:36.260 Okay, that's just too much of a bummer because I feel so powerless over the plastics.
01:39:40.420 Sorry to cut you off, but we have got 60 seconds left and I got to get these out.
01:39:43.920 If you get a filter on your kitchen sink, do you need one on your shower?
01:39:48.380 You know, probably it would be good.
01:39:50.720 I don't have one yet.
01:39:51.800 You know, there's kind of just too many things to do, but there are shower filters now.
01:39:55.080 And, you know, I think that that might be a beneficial thing to do or a whole house filter if you can.
01:40:00.740 But certainly for your drinking water.
01:40:02.400 When you drink your water, what do you buy?
01:40:03.800 You know, if you buy one of those reusable, I take it you don't get a plastic, what material
01:40:07.520 do you get a bottle of water, you know, like a thermos?
01:40:10.600 I just, I use a stainless steel or a glass water bottle.
01:40:13.840 I carry multiple with me all the time.
01:40:16.000 So I have enough water.
01:40:17.080 Usually I'm carrying two liters at a time and I have a reverse osmosis filter that gets
01:40:20.600 re-minimalized and that's under my sink.
01:40:22.880 So, you know, we bring, I even will check bags now instead of taking carry-ons so I
01:40:27.520 can bring three or four liters of water with me on a trip just so I can like have something
01:40:32.240 to start with when I get there.
01:40:33.420 But otherwise, a glass bottle would be your best option, like spring water.
01:40:38.880 Okay, so we ended it on a very small myopic note, and we started on big notes.
01:40:43.180 But that's fine, because people do need practical advice for what to do, including yours truly.
01:40:48.700 Please come back.
01:40:49.780 We've only scratched the surface.
01:40:51.200 There's so much goodness in here.
01:40:52.360 Casey, thank you.
01:40:54.220 Thank you, Megan, so much for being a warrior on this health issue.
01:40:57.080 I so appreciate what you're doing.
01:40:59.280 I am 100% with you.
01:41:00.540 And I should tell the audience, Nicole Shanahan is going to be on this show soon.
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01:42:12.840 I'm Megan Kelly.
01:42:13.780 Every day on The Megan Kelly Show, we bring you the news, and this summer, we're bringing you something extra.
01:42:19.520 Before I was a journalist, I was a lawyer.
01:42:21.940 I've spent 20 plus years now covering crime and the law.
01:42:25.540 So I built a true crime series that I always wanted to listen to.
01:42:29.640 We're calling it MK Confidential.
01:42:31.620 And there we cover cases that you've heard about, like JonBenet Ramsey,
01:42:35.420 Shandra Levy, the DC Snipers, Scott Peterson, and some that you haven't.
01:42:40.300 One case per week, five episodes, Monday through Friday.
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01:42:51.600 we all have nothing if we don't have our health and we have the perfect guest to discuss how you
01:42:57.640 can take control of your wellness and life if you're into maha this is the show for you if
01:43:02.780 you're into living this is the show for you dr mark hyman is a practicing family physician and
01:43:08.340 a leader in functional medicine we'll talk about what that means he is a 15-time new york times
01:43:13.380 best-selling author the host of the dr hyman show podcast and the founder of function health a
01:43:18.700 resource that gives you the tools to own your own health. Dr. Hyman was on with us back in February
01:43:24.400 2023 on episode 498, and I'm super excited to dive with him for the full show today. Great to have
01:43:32.200 you. Good to be here, Megan. Okay, can we just start with that? What is functional medicine?
01:43:36.640 Because it's not the same as traditional medicine. No. Traditional medicine is really about sick care.
01:43:40.820 It's diagnosing and treating disease as opposed to the science of creating health. That's what
01:43:45.440 functional medicine is instead of reframes our whole perspective to get to root causes rather
01:43:49.500 than just downstream symptoms so medicine sort of divided into specialties and different organs
01:43:54.320 and different parts but your body's one whole ecosystem and now we begin to understand that
01:43:58.640 and how things like environmental factors toxins or diet stress allergens and so forth
01:44:06.420 interrupt our biology or lack of certain things we need like the right food nutrients amounts of
01:44:12.820 hormones, light, air, water, sleep, connection, movement, all these things are ingredients for
01:44:17.620 health. So functional medicine is about identifying the root causes, which are the lack of things you
01:44:23.020 need to thrive and too much of the stuff that your body doesn't like, whether it's heavy metals or
01:44:27.080 whatever it is, and taking those away. And then your body has this natural intelligence and healing
01:44:31.620 system that allows your body to repair, heal, and renew. And when you create health, disease goes
01:44:37.080 away as a side effect. So functional medicine is really about this new paradigm of dealing with
01:44:40.800 the body as an ecosystem, rather than going to a different doctor for every inch of your
01:44:44.920 body.
01:44:45.240 It should just be medicine.
01:44:46.360 Yeah.
01:44:46.600 It just makes sense.
01:44:47.320 But it's not.
01:44:48.040 It's not.
01:44:48.460 It will be.
01:44:48.940 It will be.
01:44:49.360 It's coming.
01:44:49.900 It's like, it's where the science is.
01:44:51.240 It's where we're headed.
01:44:51.860 It takes a generation or two to change science.
01:44:54.180 I was doing some of these things like a year ago.
01:44:56.460 I was getting my life in order physically and in every way.
01:44:59.660 And the woman who was advising me was like, we should get you a test for the heavy metals 0.98
01:45:04.660 in your body.
01:45:05.400 And my doctor was like, no, he refused.
01:45:08.240 Like, it was actually something he would have had to order, I guess.
01:45:10.340 and he's like we're not doing that yeah and like he was not open-minded to it at all some of the
01:45:16.440 other stuff he was like okay because i had mold in my apartment or my house at the beach and he's
01:45:20.420 like i guess you know you can get tested for mold but then he's like do you really think it's an
01:45:24.260 issue he's like if if mold were killing people everybody who lived in the jungle would be dead
01:45:29.620 a lot sooner than people who live in the desert and they're not so i've been like pulled between
01:45:34.480 these two you know because i functional medicine makes so much sense to me and yet my like very
01:45:40.660 like no nonsense traditional doctor is like no yeah no i mean the two things that make us sick
01:45:45.660 are our diet and environmental toxins and those things are ignored by traditional medicine my
01:45:49.820 daughter just graduated medical school i mean she learned nothing about these things and yet every
01:45:53.460 day in my practice i see people with chronic illness whether it's autoimmune diseases or
01:45:57.480 whether it's metabolic diseases or whether it's digestive diseases or neurodegenerative things
01:46:02.180 like alzheimer's and they're all things that we now begin to understand the root causes and we
01:46:05.820 can actually change those and reverse those chronic illnesses like nobody ever heard of reversing
01:46:10.960 diabetes before nobody ever heard of reversing alzheimer's or reversing autoimmune diseases and
01:46:15.000 you can and that's the beauty of what this approach does it's really where medicine's headed it's
01:46:20.020 where major sort of academic institutions are researching but it takes a couple of decades for
01:46:25.860 but it's starting like we're seeing to come practice with rfkj who i know is a personal
01:46:29.780 friend. Callie and Casey Means, Callie in particular, like a big advisor to him. That's
01:46:34.020 great. He's totally on board with all this. And then you mentioned Dr. Bredesen. He's the
01:46:39.280 Alzheimer's doctor. I mean, he's an expert in Alzheimer's and dementia. He's been on the show
01:46:43.000 a couple of times. And he's been saying, you don't have to get Alzheimer's. You can do things in your
01:46:48.900 life to prevent Alzheimer's. But the so-called traditional community looks at him as like,
01:46:54.500 oh you know it not i won't say snake oily but like yeah exactly fringe and like you can't listen
01:47:00.900 to him i first got introduced to him uh by maria shriver who was having on when she was on the
01:47:05.100 today show she's very into alzheimer's absolutely anyway she's not interested in stopping it yeah
01:47:09.880 she loves alzheimer's yeah but so but that's what's happening right now in the same way we saw
01:47:16.020 you know doctors who were like you might not want to get your seventh covid vaccine booster
01:47:20.040 who got dismissed by people like Fauci as fringe,
01:47:23.720 Jay Bhattacharya as focus protection, that's fringe.
01:47:26.840 Now we're having functional medicine doctors
01:47:28.840 looked as fringe,
01:47:30.440 but I think there's a different F word and it's future.
01:47:33.200 That's right, it's future.
01:47:34.060 That's changing.
01:47:34.580 I mean, Toby Cosgrove,
01:47:35.400 who's one of the most visionary leaders in healthcare,
01:47:37.560 was the CEO of Cleveland Clinic for many years.
01:47:39.240 And he invited me to come to Cleveland Clinic
01:47:40.860 to establish the Center for Functional Medicine
01:47:42.520 because he realized that the future
01:47:44.680 is gonna have to look different
01:47:45.440 when it comes to chronic disease.
01:47:46.540 That the old model of looking for a drug
01:47:48.920 for every disease or a pill for every ill is not going to solve the problem we saw this massive
01:47:53.300 failure with alzheimer's we saw billions of dollars of money federal money and private money
01:47:57.980 and pharma money going to researching the drugs that they thought would cure alzheimer's and none
01:48:03.580 of them have worked billions of dollars hundreds and hundreds of studies why because they weren't
01:48:08.040 looking in the right place to solve the problem they were looking at the at the pathology downstream
01:48:12.240 not at the upstream causes and so the causes are not that hard to understand it's our metabolic
01:48:16.940 crisis pre-diabetes are calling alzheimer's type 3 diabetes which is because of the sugar and
01:48:22.140 metabolic issues in the brain that's why keto diets work so well for alzheimer's they're looking
01:48:26.400 at environmental toxins and they how they play a role there's heavy metals or petrochemicals or
01:48:30.420 other toxins mold may be a factor tick infections may be a factor nutrition deficiencies might be a
01:48:36.220 factor i had a patient who was diagnosed with early dementia and she was an older woman who
01:48:40.040 had absorption issues of b12 and and also some genetics around vitamin b6 and folic or folic
01:48:46.120 acid i gave her like vitamin p12 such and high doses of b12 and uh and b6 and folate and her
01:48:51.940 dementia went away now that's not saying all causes all diseases with people with dementia
01:48:56.560 have that as their cause but you have to personalize medicine and where everything
01:48:59.820 is going is personalized medicine this is just where where we're headed um leroy hood who's the
01:49:04.220 father of systems biology which is how everything is connected and works together as the body's a
01:49:08.660 network he called it p4 medicine it's preventive it's predictive so you can identify biomarkers
01:49:15.780 or things along the continuum of disease,
01:49:17.220 not wait till you get something.
01:49:18.660 Say, well, you know, I have this problem
01:49:20.420 and I don't feel good or my tests are abnormal.
01:49:21.860 Well, you don't really quite have a disease yet.
01:49:23.260 So come back when you really have a disease.
01:49:24.700 Then I'll give you a drug.
01:49:25.620 It's not how we should be doing it.
01:49:26.680 So it should be predictive.
01:49:27.280 I see this, I call it like the queen's medicine. 0.94
01:49:29.400 You know, how did the queen live to be,
01:49:30.700 you know, her mid-90s? 0.82
01:49:31.640 How did the queen mom live to be 101 or two? 0.60
01:49:33.860 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00
01:49:34.300 Like, because they had personal care
01:49:36.480 that was looking at them all the time
01:49:38.440 on this level, you know, not just like an annual.
01:49:41.580 And honestly, having known some super rich,
01:49:44.000 like mega billionaires in my media career.
01:49:47.280 They all have somebody who's looking at this stuff
01:49:49.820 all the time.
01:49:50.520 I saw this one guy, super billionaire
01:49:52.340 at this event I went to two years ago.
01:49:55.160 And this is a swanky event.
01:49:57.120 We were there for a few days.
01:49:58.560 Put on by another billionaire,
01:50:00.920 but notwithstanding, billionaire number one
01:50:03.620 had brought all of his food with him.
01:50:06.480 You know, like he was at that level
01:50:08.580 where he was being advised at that level on his health.
01:50:10.860 And the reason I'm mentioning this
01:50:11.920 is because all these people who have money
01:50:14.100 or royalty or whatever,
01:50:15.240 they're invested in making sure it's one-on-one care.
01:50:17.680 Someone's looking at their markers,
01:50:19.140 advising them on what they're putting in their body.
01:50:20.980 It's not just like, try to eat better,
01:50:23.740 get a little exercise, don't smoke or drink so much.
01:50:26.700 That's right, it's much more great.
01:50:27.540 It's much more creative.
01:50:28.340 Yeah, yeah.
01:50:28.600 But you're like with functional medicine
01:50:31.120 and with your program too,
01:50:33.140 you can get this without being a billionaire,
01:50:35.440 without being royalty.
01:50:36.680 That's right.
01:50:36.900 It's basically 500 bucks a year.
01:50:38.500 That's right.
01:50:38.960 So functional health is, look, I'm one doctor
01:50:41.600 and it's going to take a generation to change medicine or two, maybe.
01:50:45.340 So how do we leapfrog over that?
01:50:46.840 We need to have business innovation.
01:50:48.400 And that's where we created Function Health, which is a health platform that's personalized,
01:50:51.620 allows you to understand your own biology, be proactive, be the CEO of your own health.
01:50:55.780 And we're learning so much about what's going on underneath the hood for the population
01:50:58.980 that never had been done before.
01:51:00.340 We now have over, I think, 180,000 members.
01:51:03.000 We have over 20 million data points on these people.
01:51:05.960 We can see trends like the severe metabolic crisis we're having in America
01:51:09.620 with high levels of insulin and blood sugar and A1C
01:51:12.180 and also their lipids,
01:51:13.680 which we do in a very deep way
01:51:15.120 to look at their cardiovascular risk
01:51:16.800 that traditional doctors don't do.
01:51:18.180 Less than 1% of all tests
01:51:19.320 are for this special new advanced lipid profile
01:51:21.940 and less than 1% of all doctors measure insulin,
01:51:25.460 which is the most important test you want to know
01:51:27.200 if you're going to live a long time and be healthy.
01:51:28.960 It's the underlying problem.
01:51:29.520 That's the pre-diabetes thing.
01:51:30.280 Yeah, pre-diabetes, but it's not just pre-diabetes.
01:51:32.100 It causes heart attacks, strokes, cancer, dementia.
01:51:35.960 These are all diseases of insulin resistance
01:51:38.560 When your body doesn't like sugar and it keeps blocking the effects of insulin, you need more and more insulin and then insulin causes storage of belly fat, it causes inflammation, it makes you hungry, it just creates this whole cascade.
01:51:49.820 And so we're seeing all these amazing things that people didn't know they had, like inflammation is a big driver of disease.
01:51:55.720 46% of our population has inflammation.
01:51:58.180 33% have an autoimmune biomarker, which is sort of amazing to uncover because I don't know what's causing it.
01:52:04.760 Is it our load of environmental toxins?
01:52:06.120 Is it our leaky gut?
01:52:06.880 What is it?
01:52:07.720 The COVID, post-COVID phenomena?
01:52:10.520 Well, the vaccine and even just COVID
01:52:12.260 has led to this long COVID phenomena,
01:52:14.400 which is often driving autoimmune disease.
01:52:16.420 And we're also seeing nutritional deficiencies.
01:52:18.380 Over 70% of our population has deficiencies in nutrients
01:52:22.440 at the minimum level to prevent a deficiency disease.
01:52:25.380 So how much vitamin C do you not need?
01:52:26.900 You get scurvy, very little.
01:52:28.100 That happened to my husband's good friend on Wall Street
01:52:30.980 when he first started in investment banking.
01:52:32.940 He was eating so poorly.
01:52:34.400 He went to the doctor.
01:52:35.620 This is a guy working in Manhattan.
01:52:36.880 And I went to the doc, they're like, you have scurvy.
01:52:40.040 Have you been on a ship for six months?
01:52:42.500 He's like, no, I've just been at my desk.
01:52:45.200 But I've heard you discuss this on your show where we have what percentage of the population now that's obese?
01:52:50.860 Yeah, it's scary.
01:52:51.840 And yet you're saying they're malnourished.
01:52:53.700 Yeah.
01:52:54.500 People are overfed and undernourished.
01:52:56.260 So we see this double burden of obesity and malnutrition at the same time, especially in kids who are eating junk food.
01:53:02.140 They have tremendous.
01:53:03.100 We're seeing zinc deficiencies, folate deficiencies, iron deficiencies, deficiencies in vitamin D.
01:53:09.400 These are omega-3 deficiencies.
01:53:11.060 These are rampant in our population.
01:53:12.920 And what people don't realize is that these nutrients are the basic lubricants that oil the wheels of your metabolic machinery.
01:53:18.880 So every chemical reaction in your body, and there's 37 billion trillion every second, has to be facilitated by a helper, which is usually a vitamin or mineral.
01:53:27.520 And we're deficient.
01:53:28.980 And it's because we're eating 60% of our diet is ultra-processed food.
01:53:32.320 It's 67% of kids' diet.
01:53:34.280 For every 10% of your diet that's ultra-processed food,
01:53:36.400 your risk of death goes up by 14%.
01:53:38.040 So you do the math.
01:53:39.240 I'm not good at math, but it's a lot of increase in mortality.
01:53:42.220 Those omega-3s you mentioned, so you can get those in something like fish.
01:53:45.120 Fish, yeah.
01:53:45.640 And then the bad omegas are the 6s, which you can get in vegetable oil.
01:53:49.320 Yeah.
01:53:49.620 And unfortunately, the average kid has a ton of omega-6s
01:53:52.700 in their potato chips and all this.
01:53:54.040 Yeah.
01:53:54.320 They're not really necessarily balancing them out.
01:53:55.900 And then if you do try to balance them out with seafood or fish,
01:53:59.020 the odds are, if you just get it from the grocery store,
01:54:01.120 it's riddled with mercury that's right and it may not even be worth the time you have to get like
01:54:04.960 wild caught salmon what or like herring it's the smash fish it's like a salmon mackerel but not
01:54:12.980 just any salmon has a wild caught alaskan salmon mackerel anchovies anchovies and sardines sardines
01:54:19.620 right yeah i love those i'm jewish i like all that have you actually like have you been to
01:54:24.100 russ and daughters in new york no no have you ever like opened up a tin of sardines and actually
01:54:27.980 eating fish right around 100 every day is it the whole body like the little bones yeah the bones
01:54:33.020 the bones are great because sardines are one of the superfoods out there because my mouth no come
01:54:37.240 on super it's a superfood you've got incredible amount of protein you've got calcium from the
01:54:41.320 bones which is highly is it crunchy yeah a little bit you've got you've got you've got a rich source
01:54:48.000 of omega-3s that are great for your brain health and many other things and you've got choline which
01:54:52.360 is also critically important for your brain so it's an incredible food is this available to me
01:54:56.300 a supplement yeah you can say sardine supplements for sure well that actually i just heard something
01:55:02.320 interesting because i i was taking fish oil capsules for a while since i eat no fish but
01:55:06.360 then somebody's like you know you got to watch that too because be careful who you buy it from
01:55:10.200 yeah you need a reputable reputable source right because they too could just be getting it from
01:55:13.640 mercury infested fish yeah so you're basically taking two mercury capsules every night yeah
01:55:18.540 most of them don't have that but you they filter it they purify it and you can you can look at the
01:55:23.000 before and after testing and see if it's, you know, got...
01:55:25.860 Okay, that's good to hear.
01:55:27.180 But anyway, so that's just one of the many lists
01:55:29.700 that you gave that, like, your kids are doing.
01:55:32.000 And I do worry about the kids a lot
01:55:33.540 because you said something that I was like,
01:55:36.900 oh my God, that makes so much sense.
01:55:38.280 Bobby Kennedy's been talking about this too.
01:55:41.220 I cross-examined him for four hours over vaccines.
01:55:43.520 That's part of his resurrection story.
01:55:46.180 And it was great.
01:55:47.420 He was very strong.
01:55:48.760 He had answers for all of his critics' questions about him,
01:55:51.440 which is what I was fronting.
01:55:53.000 And one of the things he was saying was, no, I have not maintained that vaccines cause autism, but I think that we need to look at the toxic stew the children are growing up in as a potential cause of autism.
01:56:07.180 And what's in the vaccines, like the extras in the vaccines, like mercury or aluminum, should also be factored into that discussion.
01:56:13.320 Made perfect sense to me.
01:56:15.660 But he listed it for me in this discussion saying, look at all the things that kids are going through that were not present when I was a kid.
01:56:21.980 For sure.
01:56:22.280 He was talking about like tics and ADHD, like everywhere, autism spectrum diagnoses all over the place.
01:56:29.720 Exploded, yeah.
01:56:30.280 And so that made perfect sense to me.
01:56:32.180 And then I listen more to you and you're even next level with it, I think, because you're like part of the toxic stew is those potato chips.
01:56:41.160 and the soda and the absence of cauliflower
01:56:46.520 and broccoli and kale
01:56:48.440 or any of the cruciferous vegetables 0.99
01:56:50.880 that might help absorb some of the terrible shit 0.99
01:56:53.440 we're putting in our bodies. 0.99
01:56:54.440 They help you detoxify.
01:56:55.260 The kids, and we're allowing it.
01:56:56.720 I mean, I'm guilty of this too, in part.
01:56:59.780 We're allowing the kids to treat their bodies
01:57:01.620 like dumpster fires.
01:57:02.640 Yeah, it's absolutely true.
01:57:04.060 I mean, when you look at what happened
01:57:05.920 from when I was born in 1959,
01:57:08.160 it was a long time ago.
01:57:09.500 Not that long.
01:57:10.200 to now the change in our chronic disease epidemic is staggering the change in autism rates have gone
01:57:16.500 from one in 10 000 to one in 30 something kids depending on where you look at the data the the
01:57:21.420 rate of neurodevelopmental issues has gone and now affecting one in six children we have we have
01:57:26.600 rising rates of autoimmune disease and allergies and kids we're seeing obviously obesity in kids
01:57:31.620 which never saw before i mean when i was in medical school there was no type 2 or type 1 diabetes it
01:57:36.760 was juvenile onset or adult onset. Then kids started getting it. Now 30 plus percent of
01:57:41.180 teenagers have pre-diabetes or type 2 diabetes. It's staggering. And so the question is why?
01:57:46.600 Why has this happened? What's changed in our culture and our environment and in the food?
01:57:50.540 Well, we've industrialized our food system. We've made convenience king. The food industry has
01:57:55.140 basically taken over. And when I say food, I mean the food and ag industry have taken over
01:57:59.540 our society in ways that are pervasive and actually measurable. They fund academic centers
01:58:05.860 which to do research they fund 12 times as much quote nutrition research as the federal government
01:58:09.940 they fund academic uh associations like the american heart association which gets 192 million
01:58:15.800 dollars from the food and the in the pharma industry they fund the academy nutrition dietetics
01:58:20.760 which 40 of their uh revenue comes from the food companies and when you go to their meetings and
01:58:25.300 i've been there and i've spoken there there's like big exhibit halls that say no pictures allowed why
01:58:30.480 because it's full of junk food and these they're promoting to the nutritionist as sort of healthy
01:58:35.220 alternatives you know and and so uh you've got them creating front groups like the american
01:58:39.440 council on science and health that is is actually some of those guys have been in jail for medicare 0.93
01:58:43.980 fraud and they're a bunch of quacks who are funded by big tobacco big food big ag and say they 0.97
01:58:48.100 pesticides trans fats and high fructose corn syrup are all healthy for you and then they fund social 0.99
01:58:53.540 groups like naacp and hispanic federation to get them to oppose things like soda taxes which we
01:58:58.340 can argue is good or bad but they they want to lie themselves so they don't push back on them
01:59:02.140 And they target those groups more directly than other groups in society.
01:59:06.440 By the way, Remiss, if we didn't mention, they also fund our lawmakers.
01:59:09.700 Yeah, well, I was about to say that.
01:59:11.040 And they're their biggest lobby group.
01:59:13.240 So they fund huge amounts of miseducation and misinformation on both sides.
01:59:17.460 Neither party is immune from this.
01:59:19.120 The Republicans are just as corrupt as the Democrats are in taking money from these groups and voting accordingly.
01:59:23.800 100%.
01:59:24.240 I mean, Roger Marshall, who's now the head of the Maha Caucus in the Senate, I called them out in my book, Food Fix.
01:59:29.820 I said, you know, there was a panel on chronic disease and a hearing in Congress, and he was emphasizing it was just exercise that was the issue.
01:59:37.840 It wasn't diet at all.
01:59:38.740 And he was, you know, funded by the Confection Association.
01:59:42.260 And now we've become friends.
01:59:44.320 And I said, listen, Roger, I called you out in that book.
01:59:46.780 Just hope you don't mind.
01:59:47.800 He says, don't worry.
01:59:48.780 He's seen the lights in.
01:59:49.720 Yeah, yeah.
01:59:50.280 So, you know, people have changed.
01:59:51.720 No, there was an update today.
01:59:52.960 Hold on.
01:59:53.280 Before it came to air, this just happened.
01:59:56.620 Yeah.
01:59:57.060 Yeah, we're trying to get, Cali Means and RFKJ are trying to get, to make it such that people cannot use food stamps to buy soda.
02:00:05.200 Yeah, that's a big one.
02:00:05.900 You know, to try to encourage our poorest Americans when they need food stamps to use them for high nutrition foods and not the worst of the worst.
02:00:14.620 And tooth and nail, the soda companies are fighting this.
02:00:17.220 It's worth something like $60 billion a year to them.
02:00:20.120 And this just happened in Arizona, where there was a bill to remove soda from the things you could buy with food stamps, with Snap, and they wrote it against it.
02:00:31.960 And the bill failed to make it out of the Health and Human Services Committee in the Arizona legislature by a vote of 6-6, and who cast the deciding vote against it?
02:00:41.360 A Republican, Ralph Heap, voted against it alongside the Democrats.
02:00:44.740 By the way, not for nothing, but here is, I think we have cali-means.
02:00:48.580 Yeah, here's cali-means reacting to that in Sat 1.
02:00:51.820 So there's no correlation or causation between soda and obesity rates?
02:00:55.380 If your concern is obesity, then we should be talking about obesity.
02:00:59.800 We shouldn't be talking about obesity for SNAP recipients who have social determinants of health beyond just what they eat.
02:01:05.840 The thing is that the general public would consider unhealthy.
02:01:08.120 I mean, who knows what the general public considers unhealthy?
02:01:10.520 If the government tries to define in state statute what's a good food and what's a bad food, it's very, very complicated.
02:01:18.120 We are not going to subsidize sugary drinks and candy for our kids.
02:01:22.460 It's criminal.
02:01:23.440 And this is a no-brainer situation.
02:01:24.960 And frankly, these two speakers before me should be ashamed of themselves.
02:01:28.680 You're crossing a line right there.
02:01:30.160 You're crossing a line.
02:01:32.640 God bless him.
02:01:34.140 Good.
02:01:34.700 It's hard to imagine how those guys go to sleep at night saying what they say.
02:01:38.800 Right?
02:01:39.240 No.
02:01:39.640 I mean, to say there's no connection between sugar and-
02:01:42.800 It's social factors that's causing all the obesity amongst the people.
02:01:44.580 Yeah, it's not just poverty.
02:01:45.800 And by the way, it's affecting all sectors of society, not just the poor.
02:01:48.920 Last I checked, J.B. Pritzker is pretty rich, and he's morbidly obese by anyone's standards.
02:01:54.020 That's true.
02:01:54.640 But when you look at SNAP or food stamps, it's called Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program.
02:02:00.780 But it's really about food security, which means you can have calories.
02:02:03.720 So you can eat 2,500 calories of soda a day, and that's enough to fuel your metabolism.
02:02:10.160 To keep you alive.
02:02:10.740 But it's going to kill you. 0.92
02:02:11.580 Yeah, for some sense.
02:02:12.780 And it's not nutrition security, which is what we need in America, which is providing enough nutrients to people who have also food insecurity.
02:02:20.760 And you look at SNAP, 20% of Coca-Cola's U.S. profits come from food stamps.
02:02:26.640 It's a big chunk of Walmart's profits.
02:02:27.960 It's huge.
02:02:28.400 And people don't realize that we pay for the problem multiple times.
02:02:35.720 There's a new kind of concept called the commercial determinants of health,
02:02:39.920 which is how multinational and transnational corporations privatize profits
02:02:43.840 and socialize the cost of suburb public health.
02:02:46.400 And so the taxpayer is paying the bill.
02:02:48.600 We pay like probably four times, for example, for the food.
02:02:52.040 We pay to buy that soda.
02:02:53.180 That's right.
02:02:53.420 We pay for the farmers to grow the corn that makes the high fructose corn syrup
02:02:57.520 that goes in the soda then we pay for the soda with snap and then we pay for medicare medicaid
02:03:02.640 on the back end to deal with the chronic diseases like diabetes that result from it and who's paying
02:03:07.920 for the environmental consequences of how we grow the food using uh methods that disrupt our soil
02:03:12.860 the loss of soil organic matter we've lost a third of all our top soil soon we're going to lose all
02:03:17.380 of it the amount of water resources we use to to irrigate which are which are because the farming
02:03:23.300 methods don't retain water in the soil. For every 1% organic matter, you retain 25,000 gallons of
02:03:28.280 water per acre. So we're losing huge amounts of our water infrastructure. And we're also
02:03:33.320 poisoning the rivers and lakes because all the neuroelectrician fertilizer flows down to them
02:03:37.840 and causes the overgrowth of algae, which sucks all the oxygen out and kills the fish. And so we
02:03:41.700 have dead zones the size of New Jersey and the Gulf of Mexico or America, whatever I call it now.
02:03:46.120 And there's 400 of those around the world that feed half a billion people. And then we lose
02:03:49.860 biodiversity. 75% of pollinators are gone. So the list goes on. Who's paying for all that? Who's
02:03:54.580 paying for the bees being destroyed? Who's paying for the water being destroyed? Who's paying for
02:03:57.160 the fish being destroyed? So basically it's us. This is the part of the conversation where I just
02:04:01.600 want to open up a bag of Doritos. I give up. I give up. I can't. There's no winning. We're
02:04:07.400 probably inhaling enough microplastics to kill us right now. It's like, by the way, that was
02:04:11.440 another thing I learned in preparation for today. The average person, is it here? The average person
02:04:16.020 now today um has this is from uh it was on the it was the new york times today on micro microplastics
02:04:22.640 the human brain samples from 2024 had nearly 50 50 percent more microplastics than brain samples
02:04:28.760 from 2016 they estimate there are five bottle caps worth of plastic in the average can't be good
02:04:36.520 can't be good five bottle caps can't spare it no and it was so so it's overwhelming like
02:04:41.560 the farming that let's just start there you know that's what like casey and cali have been saying
02:04:46.000 We need regenerative farming, which I don't really totally understand.
02:04:49.520 But it seems like it's going to be really hard to make the farmers do that and really expensive.
02:04:54.900 And when I sat in on those RFKJ confirmation hearings, even the Republican senators seemed to be a little like, I'm chugging for you, except when it comes to the farmers.
02:05:03.720 Yeah.
02:05:04.020 Well, the thing is the farmers are a big voting base, and so you don't want to lose them.
02:05:07.920 But you also want to take care of them.
02:05:09.080 Because when you look at farmers in this country, suicide rates are higher than almost any population.
02:05:13.980 Chronic disease rates, Parkinson's, cancer, because of how they're farming, they're not able to make significant profits.
02:05:19.920 They're really marginalized in terms of their way they're stuck between the bank loans, the crop insurance, and the seed and chemical companies that they have to buy the seeds and the chemicals from.
02:05:29.000 So they're kind of stuck in the middle.
02:05:31.000 And there is a way out.
02:05:32.120 And it's been demonstrated, the science is there, the economics are there, to convert farms that are industrial farms to regenerative farms.
02:05:40.200 And that can be done at scale.
02:05:41.320 And this has been well shown in a movie coming up called Common Ground.
02:05:43.780 I think it's going to be released in about a week on Amazon.
02:05:47.360 On regenerative farms.
02:05:48.240 Yeah, and it shows how these big corn farmers can actually do this.
02:05:51.800 And they make more money, they restore the ecosystem.
02:05:55.040 And what is regenerative farming?
02:05:56.140 It's basically mimicking nature.
02:05:57.580 You know, Gabe Brown was a farmer in North Dakota, a conventional farmer.
02:06:01.340 and his farm was destroyed by drought and hail
02:06:04.260 and all kinds of things
02:06:05.080 and he was like, what am I going to do?
02:06:06.420 And he started reading Thomas Jefferson's journals
02:06:08.440 and in the journals it explained
02:06:10.200 how he used methods to restore the ecosystem
02:06:13.420 to use natural pest control methods
02:06:16.040 to actually use methods that actually restore soil
02:06:19.020 that retain water
02:06:19.840 that do all the things we want to do
02:06:21.260 and Gabe Brown has demonstrated this
02:06:22.980 on his 5,000 acre farm in North Dakota
02:06:24.940 and has actually makes 20 times as much money
02:06:28.020 restored the soil
02:06:29.780 doesn't use irrigation
02:06:31.040 doesn't need to use chemicals,
02:06:32.560 produce much more food,
02:06:34.100 much more nutrient-intense food.
02:06:35.720 And it's all been well-documented through science.
02:06:37.800 So it's possible.
02:06:39.200 It's just a matter of how do we transition farmers?
02:06:41.740 How do we support them to do that?
02:06:43.080 And private equity is investing in this.
02:06:44.900 I mean, private equity is in paying farmers to convert
02:06:47.900 because they know they're going to get a return
02:06:49.360 on the back end.
02:06:49.860 To regenerate it.
02:06:50.520 Yeah, they know it's a profit center
02:06:52.980 and they're going to make more money
02:06:54.020 than industrial farmers.
02:06:55.000 I was just thinking about wind turbines,
02:06:57.020 which many of us absolutely hate.
02:06:59.640 Yeah, they're kind of ugly. 0.90
02:07:01.040 most environmentalists
02:07:03.280 kill the birds 0.95
02:07:03.860 yeah they kill the birds
02:07:04.660 they kill the land
02:07:05.280 it's like they're full of toxins
02:07:06.640 the
02:07:07.040 the
02:07:07.640 the blades
02:07:09.220 are as long as a football field
02:07:10.560 each blade
02:07:11.460 is as long as a football field
02:07:12.720 and several tons
02:07:13.400 and they're
02:07:14.320 like just
02:07:14.740 and you get
02:07:15.380 up to hundreds of them
02:07:16.800 in a wind farm
02:07:17.920 anyway
02:07:18.720 I
02:07:19.120 we have a summer home
02:07:20.580 along the Jersey Shore
02:07:21.920 and they're about to get pummeled
02:07:23.060 by one of these wind farms
02:07:24.360 and it's just so disgusting
02:07:25.340 thank God for Trump
02:07:26.400 for stopping most of them
02:07:27.380 in progress
02:07:28.300 I don't think
02:07:28.800 he's
02:07:29.160 that order was going to help us
02:07:30.520 But in any event, all the money that Obama and Joe Biden have been funneling into wind and solar energy, which is very inefficient, it costs so much, it requires so much land and toxins and reliance on the Chinese and so on.
02:07:46.940 Why don't we funnel that into American farmers to help them switch over to regenerative farming? 0.76
02:07:51.520 100%.
02:07:51.980 It's one of the best things we can do for the environment, for the climate, for energy.
02:07:56.780 I mean, there's so much oil used in farming.
02:08:00.760 People don't realize it's a huge amount of the inputs are all oil-based,
02:08:04.540 of fertilizers, the pesticides, the amount of oil usage of the big machinery.
02:08:09.280 All that is an enormous amount of oil that we use just to grow vegetables
02:08:12.780 and grow corn and grow soy and wheat.
02:08:15.200 So that can be changed.
02:08:17.080 By the way, my husband wrote a book on Rudolph Diesel, who invented the diesel engine.
02:08:20.580 They should be using diesel engines and powering them with corn.
02:08:23.540 That's a place we could use good corn oil or vegetable oil.
02:08:26.780 They can power the engines of the tractors.
02:08:28.440 It's better to use it in the engines than in their bodies.
02:08:30.760 That's how the diesel engine was born.
02:08:33.240 Okay, so regenerative farming is definitely one of the things.
02:08:36.380 Now, what happens when the average patient comes in to see you?
02:08:39.160 Like you do the blood tests.
02:08:41.360 And where do you start?
02:08:42.560 Like for the average listener, like what are the top five?
02:08:44.660 Because they don't know how to read their blood tests.
02:08:46.560 You know, I consider myself a relatively sophisticated consumer in this department.
02:08:52.280 I don't know how to read my blood tests.
02:08:53.840 I know you're supposed to look at the HDL and the LDL.
02:08:55.840 And beyond that, I don't really know anything.
02:08:57.400 Oh, no, right, right, right.
02:08:58.100 So what should the average person be looking at?
02:09:00.900 What are the most important things?
02:09:02.420 Well, you know, I think we've had this edifice in medicine
02:09:05.920 where the doctor is the gatekeeper
02:09:07.380 and the healthcare system is the gatekeeper
02:09:08.880 between you and your own biology.
02:09:10.380 And I believe that needs to be changed.
02:09:11.720 And people should be empowered
02:09:12.720 to know what's going on in their bodies
02:09:14.740 and to have the information to interpret it.
02:09:16.700 And that's really why we co-founded Functional Health
02:09:18.800 was to allow us to break down that barrier,
02:09:21.580 to allow a personalized health platform
02:09:23.440 that allows you access to your data
02:09:24.820 and then know what to do about it.
02:09:26.180 What does it mean?
02:09:26.980 Yeah.
02:09:28.080 Do you give them a code?
02:09:29.960 A code?
02:09:30.760 I mean, like you have all the numbers now
02:09:32.140 after you get your blood tested through function.
02:09:34.120 But like, now what do you do?
02:09:35.640 Yeah, so now essentially we're building the engine
02:09:38.640 and we have tens of thousands of pages of content
02:09:41.060 that educates people about what it means,
02:09:42.980 what to do about it, what the root cause are.
02:09:45.060 So let's say you have a positive autoimmune antibody.
02:09:47.760 In a traditional healthcare system,
02:09:49.140 you say, okay, you're going to go to the rheumatologist.
02:09:50.860 They're going to see if they can diagnose you
02:09:52.100 with some autoimmune disease.
02:09:53.060 and then they're going to give you an anti-inflammatory drug
02:09:55.380 that's going to suppress your immune system,
02:09:56.720 whether it's a steroid or a biologic that costs 50,000 dollars a year.
02:09:59.660 They're not going to go, why is this abnormal?
02:10:02.300 So we guide you through an understanding of what it means
02:10:05.060 and why is this potentially an issue?
02:10:07.400 Is it because you have a leaky gut and your microbiome is messed up?
02:10:11.040 Is it because you're eating gluten and it's driving that autoimmune biochemistry?
02:10:14.400 Or is it because you're exposed to environmental toxins
02:10:16.320 that are immunotoxic that affect you?
02:10:19.020 So we begin to sort of sift through, or is it because you had COVID
02:10:22.160 or because you have Lyme disease or whatever.
02:10:24.660 And then you can sort of sift through and say,
02:10:26.420 oh, gee, this is why I may be sick.
02:10:28.360 And then we say, here's how you further investigate
02:10:30.040 and here's the kinds of doctor you want to see
02:10:32.040 and here's the next steps
02:10:32.920 or here's things you can do on your own.
02:10:34.440 So it's really about self-empowerment.
02:10:36.440 By the way, this is all the stuff that Dr. Bredesen says
02:10:38.420 about preventing Alzheimer's.
02:10:40.080 This is so worth it for everybody's time.
02:10:41.740 100%.
02:10:42.040 It's preventing everything
02:10:43.440 because it's like there are a few common causes
02:10:46.160 that drive all the chronic disease we're seeing.
02:10:49.140 And it's not that hard.
02:10:49.960 It's too much of the bad stuff
02:10:51.380 and not enough of the good stuff that our bodies need.
02:10:53.380 And when you take out the bad stuff,
02:10:54.500 you put in the good stuff,
02:10:55.620 which is essentially what functional medicine is,
02:10:57.880 the body knows what to do.
02:10:59.680 So I'll give you an example. 0.93
02:11:00.780 So I had a patient come in and she had psoriatic arthritis.
02:11:02.900 She had terrible inflammation of her skin
02:11:05.060 and joints were swollen, you know,
02:11:06.360 the heartbreak of psoriasis.
02:11:08.020 But she also had terrible heartburn and reflux.
02:11:10.520 She had terrible irritable bowel syndrome.
02:11:12.240 She had migraines.
02:11:13.160 She had depression.
02:11:14.260 She had prediabetes.
02:11:15.320 She was overweight. 0.99
02:11:16.560 And she was, you know, 50-issue business coach.
02:11:19.520 and i said gee you know what are all these things um how are all these things related instead of you
02:11:25.800 know seeing the best doctors which she did at cleveland clinic the best doctors rheumatology
02:11:29.080 the best migraine doctor the best gi doctor the best depression psychiatrist and she was seeing
02:11:34.160 the best of every class and got the best of the state-of-the-art current model of treatment which
02:11:38.440 was just pharmaceutical drugs nobody said why is she having these problems it's the medicine of
02:11:43.920 why not what why do you have this not what disease do you have not what drug do i give but why and
02:11:48.420 then we investigated because she had all these gut issues a lot of your immune system is in your gut 1.00
02:11:52.800 and so i cleaned up her gut i got rid of the bad bugs i gave her an antibiotic and antifungal 0.99
02:11:56.880 restored her microbiome with probiotics gave her some fish oil and vitamin d came back six
02:12:01.140 weeks later and she's like doc everything's gone well i lost 20 pounds my psoriasis gone my
02:12:05.840 arthritis is gone my migraines are gone my depression is gone i feel great my irritable
02:12:10.160 bowel reflux are gone and i stopped all my medications i'm like i didn't tell you to do
02:12:13.340 that she's like no i just was feeling so good i stopped them and so once you understand how to
02:12:17.720 unlock someone's health and give them the roadmap, they can do it. Have you seen this in children too?
02:12:24.720 Yes, of course. I mean, I'm a family doctor and I've treated thousands and thousands of kids.
02:12:29.380 And it's just so disturbing to me when I see the kinds of things that really are affecting these
02:12:34.680 kids. I mean, I had one little girl who was 10 years old and she had this horrible autoimmune
02:12:39.380 condition that was triggered by her eating crappy sugary diet that was causing tons of 0.99
02:12:44.540 yeast overgrowth in her gut. She also had gluten antibodies that were causing some injury to her
02:12:49.500 gut lining that can trigger autoimmunity. She also loved sushi, which was weird for a kid,
02:12:53.420 but she loved a lot of mercury-laden tuna. She was eating a lot of that. She had mercury toxicity.
02:12:58.100 And we basically reset her gut. We put her on an elimination diet. I gave her some things to get 1.00
02:13:01.660 rid of the overgrowth of yeast in her gut, and I gave her chelation to get rid of the mercury.
02:13:06.420 And she had something that was, she was on like 1,200 milligrams of solumedrol, which is like a
02:13:11.240 hoarse dose of steroids every three weeks intravenously she was on chemo drug called
02:13:15.640 methotrexate she was on like drugs to help with her rain nose and other than her gut issues so 0.82
02:13:21.120 calcium channel blockers she was on a whole list of things aspen because she had more blood clotting 0.91
02:13:24.480 she's on a pile of drugs and and she really couldn't function really very well she completely
02:13:30.520 fixed it she's 100 better and you know i checked with her 10 years later she's doing great you know
02:13:35.080 she's gone to college and is really healthy and so we we see that if you we start to dig into the
02:13:40.080 root causes and help people understand how their body is actually organized not how medicine
02:13:44.300 currently organizes it we can do tremendous amounts and that's really why i think function
02:13:47.920 health is so important because it helps us leaf frog over the current medicine empowers people
02:13:52.020 with their data and and helps them understand what to do about it i i heard you talking with
02:13:57.100 someone and forgive me if you weren't the one with this story but i think it was you
02:13:59.940 talking about a kid's handwriting oh yeah that was me yeah yeah so so i mean we hopefully can
02:14:05.060 show this on the show but i there's a kid i had who had add and this is what first got me to
02:14:09.280 realized that what was happening in the body affected the brain in a very profound way. It
02:14:14.020 wasn't just the mind-body effect, but the body-mind effect. And many of our psychiatric
02:14:17.200 illnesses are caused by dysfunctions that we can treat, not with ADD medication, which is now
02:14:22.640 prescribed. We are going to definitely spend time on this. This is interesting.
02:14:25.580 Yeah. I mean, and this kid had ADD, but he had also all these other issues. He had asthma and
02:14:31.580 he had allergies and he had stomach aches and he had headaches and a whole list of stuff. And he
02:14:36.080 was seeing seven different doctors it's about seven different prescriptions and he was on riddling
02:14:40.380 he'd been kicked out of kindergarten he was that bad and his writing was terrible he had these kids
02:14:45.780 often have what we call dysgraphia i mean you can't read their writing really poor handwriting
02:14:49.460 but like at 12 years old you couldn't even read it and his mother came to see me we put him on a
02:14:55.780 clean diet he was only eating processed food we did a nutritional testing and it was it was like
02:14:59.760 so malnourished i mean he wasn't really overweight but he was really malnourished i don't know is it
02:15:04.160 so strange that a mother who would be like taking all those doctors and like having well she finally
02:15:08.960 got to me she didn't like it but she's like doing the best she could as a mother you don't know
02:15:12.640 and then she heard it doesn't even occur to you that maybe it's nutrition i think for a lot of
02:15:15.860 people doesn't even occur to you because you especially with a child who you can process
02:15:19.000 anything it's true and the two months later the mother brings him back and he's doing better at
02:15:24.560 every level and he's off all the medications but what was so striking to me was his handwriting
02:15:29.100 before and after she showed me his handwriting from his homework and it was like a different kid
02:15:33.440 and it was at that moment i go wow how did his brain going from being chaotic and dysfunctional
02:15:38.000 and and not synchronizing properly to being kind of functioning and organized and structured so
02:15:44.980 that he can actually function in the world and not have addd and his handwriting go back to normal
02:15:49.660 because it wasn't like i gave him a handwriting class you know and i was like wow this is crazy
02:15:54.340 and that led to me writing this book called the ultra mind solution which is how to fix your
02:15:57.340 broken brain by fixing your body first and this was like 15 plus years ago and now there's
02:16:01.720 departments of metabolic psychiatry at stanford nutritional psychiatry at harvard guys chris
02:16:06.460 palmer who's a harvard professor as a psychiatrist discovered accidentally you could cure schizophrenia
02:16:12.000 on a ketogenic diet and now you know there's three million dollar grant that just got given to mayo
02:16:16.120 to study ketogenic diets and severe mental illness like bipolar disease and schizophrenia and we had
02:16:21.720 such a stigma against this instead of understanding that this is something that actually is because
02:16:24.940 our biology is just not functioning you know what i'm thinking about right now after we had um you
02:16:29.420 Did you watch that round table that they had in the U.S. Senate with Ron Johnson and Callie and Casey were there?
02:16:36.520 And the Atlantic did a big write up of it after and called it the Woo Woo Caucus.
02:16:42.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:16:42.440 They were so dismissive and disgusting about these ideas being discussed in a serious way.
02:16:47.980 And that's what we're up against is that, you know, you start to say, like, maybe we can head off schizophrenia with diet.
02:16:56.240 Yeah.
02:16:56.540 And they say, I'm out. 1.00
02:16:57.740 You're crazy. 1.00
02:16:58.520 Yeah. 0.98
02:16:58.760 But this is actually looking at academic medical centers.
02:17:02.360 This is what they're studying.
02:17:03.560 Like they're looking at these things seriously because the data is there.
02:17:07.520 And so, you know, Max Planck, who was a physicist, said, you know,
02:17:10.540 scientists doesn't advance by convincing your opponents and helping them see the light,
02:17:13.900 but because a new generation grows up that's familiar with it.
02:17:15.980 In other words, medicine advances one funeral at a time.
02:17:18.960 Yes, right.
02:17:19.860 And so it's unfortunate.
02:17:21.620 People get very ossified in their ideas.
02:17:23.440 I mean, Thomas Kuhn wrote about this in The Structure of Scientific Revolutions,
02:17:26.260 how it's very difficult to convert people
02:17:28.920 who believe a certain thing,
02:17:30.060 like the earth is flat
02:17:30.900 or the earth is the center of the universe
02:17:32.760 or that species arise in their fixed state.
02:17:35.100 Or that it was an insurrection.
02:17:36.960 Whatever, yeah.
02:17:38.360 People basically just have this very fixed view
02:17:41.680 of the way things are,
02:17:42.640 and it's very hard to change that.
02:17:44.720 Paradigms are really hard to change. 0.78
02:17:45.920 We just think autism was caused by refrigerator mothers, 0.86
02:17:48.380 that ulcers are caused by stress. 0.55
02:17:50.500 And the guy who actually was a gastroenterologist
02:17:53.240 would notice in the biopsy,
02:17:54.340 He's in the stomach that there was this bacteria hanging around.
02:17:56.320 He's like, what is this?
02:17:57.040 Maybe this is the cause.
02:17:58.200 And everybody laughed at him.
02:17:59.320 The whole gastroenterology field just made him a joke.
02:18:01.940 And he said, well, I'm going to prove it.
02:18:02.880 He's drank a beaker of this bacteria.
02:18:04.940 He got his partner to, like, he got an ulcer.
02:18:07.460 He got his partner to scope him before and after.
02:18:09.340 He took antibiotics, cured the ulcer, and then proved it.
02:18:12.120 And he won the Nobel Prize for it.
02:18:13.340 Oh, wow.
02:18:14.020 So, you know, what one day seems like a quack, the next day is actually standard of care.
02:18:19.620 To me, it just doesn't seem quacky at all.
02:18:21.160 It seems like absolutely logical and sensible.
02:18:24.200 It's just people won't accept it.
02:18:25.620 And I think part of it is, it's so much easier to take a pill.
02:18:28.760 You much rather be told, just take this drug and you're good.
02:18:31.300 Totally.
02:18:31.680 As opposed to completely change the way you eat and by the way you need to move more.
02:18:34.680 I mean, it's so hard to do, Megan, in our environment because everything is set up for us to fail.
02:18:39.440 We have a toxic wasteland of nutrition that we live in.
02:18:42.520 We don't need to move our bodies at all if we don't want to.
02:18:44.880 We don't get outside very much.
02:18:46.840 We have so much stress.
02:18:47.940 We have high levels of stress.
02:18:49.380 We don't sleep well.
02:18:50.060 These are just fundamental things that a human organism needs to have in order to thrive.
02:18:54.920 And we take care of our dogs and our animals and our racehorses in ways that are so much better than we take care of ourselves.
02:19:03.680 We wouldn't feed our million-dollar racehorse a McDonald's, Big Fries, and a Coke.
02:19:07.260 We'd feed it to our kids.
02:19:08.120 Right, right.
02:19:09.220 Well, I was thinking about what you just said about how we're just not set up for success here.
02:19:13.640 And the family went to Scandinavia in June.
02:19:17.180 We did Sweden, Norway, and Denmark.
02:19:19.060 and they're all basically the same country,
02:19:21.280 but in terms of their approach to lifestyle and so on.
02:19:25.020 But in Denmark, they have it set up.
02:19:28.520 There's some waterways there
02:19:29.680 and they have it set up
02:19:30.340 so that almost every office building
02:19:31.720 has a stairway down to the water.
02:19:33.720 And it's encouraged that on your lunch break,
02:19:36.460 you would go take a swim.
02:19:38.980 You would go downstairs, you'd eat outside
02:19:41.200 and it's cold there.
02:19:42.260 They know that, but they all bike to work.
02:19:44.760 First of all, everybody bikes,
02:19:46.080 even the royalty in Denmark and Sweden,
02:19:48.560 they bike around uh very sort of mobile culture yeah and then think about it if you went to the
02:19:54.020 office and the office culture was during lunch we eat healthy we go outside we swim in the water
02:20:01.600 and then there are showers to shower off when you get back into the office you have a 90 minute
02:20:05.640 break where you can do all of that yeah and then back to work yeah we're the opposite we're like
02:20:10.120 what the hell are you doing away from your desk for 90 minutes 90 seconds you know scandinavia
02:20:16.040 No, we're the USA, we produce, we're the envy of the world in terms of our production and so on.
02:20:20.540 That's our mindset.
02:20:21.640 There are some benefits to it, but in the health department, not really.
02:20:25.440 No, it's very disturbing.
02:20:27.640 I mean, when you look at us compared to every other country, we spend more than twice than any other nation on health care, which is almost $5 trillion, $1 in $5 of our economy.
02:20:36.480 The federal government pays for 40% of that, and it's $1 in $3 federal dollars.
02:20:41.080 So we're footing the bill, and we're 48th in life expectancy.
02:20:45.320 see i think cuba and albania are better than us oh my god albania i think so maybe they don't have
02:20:50.780 good records but like that when you look at the list like what are we doing here at the bottom
02:20:54.480 of the list and i mean trump on joe rogan he showed the number one reason for that what's
02:20:58.880 the number if you had to pick one i think it's it's it's our it's our uh diet ultra processed
02:21:03.920 foods yeah it's it's the it's the uh takeover of the american food supply by the industrial food
02:21:09.480 system yeah and chemicals everywhere i mean like within that what's the number one culprit ultra
02:21:14.120 process i think chemicals i think it's sugar and starch sugar and starch and then you can add in
02:21:18.420 the chemicals and all the rest of it and by the way is is is bread um it's bread bad is bread
02:21:24.800 basically sugar yeah well actually the glycemic something called the glycemic index which is how
02:21:29.160 much a given food raises your blood sugar is based on white bread so that's a hundred so that's the
02:21:34.340 highest yep sugar is actually 80 because it's made up of fructose and glucose but it's a little bit
02:21:40.360 trick because fructose doesn't raise your blood sugar but but they both have the same yeah below
02:21:44.500 the neck your body cannot tell the difference between a bowl of cereal or a bowl of sugar
02:21:48.900 wow you know or a loaf of bread or a loaf of bread you keep it's just the same thing so when
02:21:53.720 you eat white bread you're basically eating sugar and and the american population consumes 152 pounds
02:22:00.080 of sugar and 133 pounds of flour per person per year that's almost three quarters of a pound
02:22:06.560 per day you know i mean the the diet care guidelines which need to be fixed and i'm
02:22:12.580 working on that with a non-profit good that 10 of our diet they say can be sugar that's 12
02:22:17.820 teaspoons in an average 2 000 calorie diet for a kid the average kid's eating 36 teaspoons of sugar
02:22:22.020 a day well that and that's a pharmacologic dose cali or casey one of them was saying at the the
02:22:27.780 turn of the 20th century you know the 1900 or so the average you know recommended daily or you know
02:22:33.820 So the average intake of sugar amongst American children was zero, zero on a day-to-day basis.
02:22:40.520 Now they say you can have like 28 grams.
02:22:42.180 Yeah, that's crazy.
02:22:42.780 It was zero.
02:22:43.560 Yeah.
02:22:43.860 Well, you know, when the World Health Organization tried to reduce the recommended amount of sugar to 5% of your diet from 10% in the recommendations,
02:22:53.220 Donald Rumsfeld, when he was under Bush too, flew to Geneva and said,
02:22:58.640 we're going to pull our $400 million of funding from you if you do that.
02:23:02.580 what it's crazy yeah i mean that's how powerful the food industry is they have infiltrated every
02:23:07.640 aspect of our society oh and and not to mention that they're basically accounted for most of the
02:23:12.820 marketing and tv besides pharma yeah it's all junk food i mean i watched the super bowl last
02:23:16.440 year there's 11 junk food ads in the first half they're pushers yeah they're pushers if they were
02:23:20.740 doing this with you know heroin we would see the danger but it's addictive i mean the science is
02:23:24.920 so clear in this megan 14 of adults and kids are biologically addicted to food this is according
02:23:30.420 the Yale Food Addiction Scale,
02:23:31.820 it's a scientifically valued metric
02:23:33.220 for looking at food addiction.
02:23:34.280 And I'm not talking about just like,
02:23:35.200 oh, I love cookies because I love cookies,
02:23:37.040 but like people who really can't stop,
02:23:38.880 like an alcoholic, that's staggering.
02:23:41.280 And these companies know this.
02:23:43.100 They've designed the food to be like this.
02:23:45.140 The tobacco companies bought in the 70s
02:23:47.180 a lot of the food companies like RJ and Hrabisco
02:23:48.860 and Philip Morris Craft, right?
02:23:51.320 Yes.
02:23:51.820 And then they-
02:23:52.440 They got out of cigarettes and into crackers.
02:23:54.620 And they engineered these foods with taste institutes
02:23:57.380 where they had craving experts
02:23:58.600 to create the bliss point of food
02:23:59.960 to create heavy users these are their own internal terms they use and in fact they they actually have
02:24:04.480 take little two-year-olds and put them in mri scanners to see which images will light up their
02:24:08.140 brain in their pleasure center so they'll say their mommy when they go to the grocery stores
02:24:11.060 buy this buy that you know give me the cocoa pebbles or whatever it is right that is so dark
02:24:15.720 i was just thinking about my little guy today at breakfast who was like mom there's this meal
02:24:18.920 service that will deliver the meals pre-made if you want to you know sign on to that and i was
02:24:23.060 like well they did a good job if they got to my 11 year old that's right who brought it to me at
02:24:26.860 the breakfast table right like they're definitely marketing to the right people that's right um but
02:24:30.740 there's so much to go over i wanted to say something about the food oh is it true that
02:24:37.040 bear bought monsanto yeah so one of the biggest drug companies in the world bought one of the
02:24:43.520 biggest chemical companies in the world yeah that's spraying our food with everything getting
02:24:47.800 us sick yeah by the day and then where do we go back to the medical companies that's right well
02:24:54.820 Well, it's actually there who makes some of the drugs for non-Hodgkin's lymphoma.
02:24:59.520 Oh, wow.
02:24:59.980 And there's been multiple lawsuits that have been won.
02:25:03.500 Yeah, wasn't there just one?
02:25:04.700 Yeah, $2.1 billion settlement for glyphosate, which is Roundup or basically an herbicide
02:25:10.680 that is sprayed on 70% of crops that is in most of our bodies and most of our urine.
02:25:16.960 I mean, I tested this, and you can see it.
02:25:18.460 It's pretty scary.
02:25:20.000 And they basically, on one hand, cause the disease,
02:25:23.680 and then they, on the other hand, treat it with the drugs.
02:25:26.120 That is sick.
02:25:26.800 It's a good business model.
02:25:28.060 Goliathus save really scares me because one of the things you don't think about,
02:25:31.220 even if you try to eat healthy, back to that guy who's carrying around his food everywhere,
02:25:35.880 that billionaire, is what about when you go out to eat?
02:25:38.960 You don't know.
02:25:39.640 What about when your kids go to school?
02:25:40.980 You don't know.
02:25:41.580 I mean, it's true.
02:25:42.100 I mean, you can have your own garden in the backyard,
02:25:43.840 but if you go out to eat, if you're out on the road,
02:25:45.380 I mean, like you and I are out there and doing stuff,
02:25:47.940 you can't always control your food.
02:25:49.080 coming from unless you're a billionaire with your own private chef in your kitchen that flies around
02:25:51.980 with you on your jet yeah then i then i met with a super billionaire who had his own cows
02:25:56.740 he got his own meat from his own cows that were like i mean like there are so many levels of this
02:26:01.740 but keep going you don't know because like in the restaurant yeah those vegetables are probably
02:26:05.140 treated with roundup they're probably not getting organic vegetables in the restaurant you're probably
02:26:08.860 not getting grass-fed beef you're not getting pastured chicken so it's like you need to eat at
02:26:14.800 home that's expensive yeah it's harder people are busy yeah it's it to the point of it's it's
02:26:20.920 also overwhelming yeah it's all but you know megan there's not an act it's not an accident that
02:26:25.700 americans have been disenfranchised from their own kitchens this is a deliberate plan by the
02:26:30.240 food industry to make convenience king happened in the early 60s they were worried about the advent
02:26:34.940 of this woman named betty who was a home ec teacher was teaching about families how to cook
02:26:40.040 and grow gardens. 0.97
02:26:41.180 Ms. Crocker? 0.62
02:26:42.020 No, I'll get to that.
02:26:43.460 I'll get to that.
02:26:44.440 But there was federal extension workers
02:26:46.000 that were teaching young families
02:26:47.040 how to take care of themselves
02:26:47.800 and actually do the things that are not that hard
02:26:50.040 if you know what to do.
02:26:51.280 And so the food industry freaked out about this
02:26:53.540 and they invented Betty Crocker,
02:26:55.360 who was not a real person.
02:26:57.120 I thought she was a real person.
02:26:58.400 I didn't know that.
02:26:58.840 Yeah, she was not a real person.
02:26:59.860 Next year you're telling me Aunt Shemima's not real. 0.87
02:27:01.500 She's not real.
02:27:04.040 But Betty Crocker cookbook, if you remember it,
02:27:06.580 because you probably had it in your mom's kitchen.
02:27:08.020 Yeah, I remember.
02:27:08.620 Add one can of Campbell's cream of mushroom soup to your casserole.
02:27:12.440 Add one roll of Ritz crackers.
02:27:13.820 They insinuated processed foods.
02:27:15.100 It was delicious, though.
02:27:16.400 Okay, all right. 0.99
02:27:17.140 But it was like they insinuated all this crap into our diet. 0.99
02:27:20.100 And then they got TV dinners. 0.97
02:27:22.760 And then we got, you deserve a break today.
02:27:26.200 We got Fleischman's margarine and tang and all these foods that were.
02:27:29.920 Twinkies.
02:27:30.260 Right, Twinkies.
02:27:31.140 I grew up on that stuff.
02:27:32.580 And it turns out that this was not an accident.
02:27:35.600 This was a deliberate attempt to sort of, you deserve a break today.
02:27:39.180 It was sort of the classic thing. 1.00
02:27:41.160 And women's lib also kind of facilitated that 1.00
02:27:43.640 because I'd get women out of the kitchen and women's liberation. 1.00
02:27:45.720 And then no one was in the kitchen at all. 1.00
02:27:47.060 Right, that's right.
02:27:47.940 And so we now have generations of Americans who don't know how to cook,
02:27:50.780 who don't know how to basic life skills.
02:27:52.840 I did a movie years ago called Fed Up, which was, I think it's on Netflix.
02:27:58.480 It was about childhood obesity, and it was talking about these issues.
02:28:01.300 And as part of the movie, I went down to South Carolina
02:28:03.300 into one of the worst food deserts in America.
02:28:05.600 In Easley, South Carolina, I worked with a family of five who lived in a trailer on food stamps and disability.
02:28:10.560 So I had very limited resources and very limited access to good food. 0.99
02:28:14.500 And the mother was massively white. 0.91
02:28:16.140 The father was already at 42 on dialysis for kidney failure from type 2 diabetes.
02:28:21.840 The son was like 50% body fat.
02:28:23.840 A kid should be 10%.
02:28:24.840 He was a big guy.
02:28:26.400 He's like, Dr. Ryman, am I going to be 100% body fat?
02:28:28.620 I'm like, no, you're not.
02:28:29.760 He was so sad.
02:28:30.760 And I said, I'm not going to give them a lecture.
02:28:32.980 I'm going to go to their kitchen
02:28:33.800 and I'm going to show them what's in their pantry.
02:28:36.940 I'm going to show them what's in their freezer
02:28:38.120 and in their fridge.
02:28:39.100 And I'm going to help them understand
02:28:40.260 the things that are harming them
02:28:41.380 because they're thinking they're trying to do the right thing
02:28:42.980 because they want the father to lose weight
02:28:44.360 or they can't get a new kidney.
02:28:45.940 So rather than give them a lecture,
02:28:46.880 I taught them how to cook a simple meal.
02:28:49.120 And it was from a little guidebook
02:28:50.380 called Good Food on a Tight Budget.
02:28:52.240 Food that's good for you, good for your wallet,
02:28:53.840 good for the planet.
02:28:54.860 And it was like cheaper cuts of meat,
02:28:56.520 cheaper vegetables.
02:28:57.480 I mean, stuff that would be considered
02:28:59.440 sometimes peasant food that my family grew up on.
02:29:01.680 and i i did it with them and i didn't know it was going to happen and the mother texted me a week
02:29:07.840 later she says we lost 18 pounds as a family in a year they lost 200 pounds you know they didn't
02:29:11.900 have cutting boards and knives everything was you know microwaved or whatever and and they did it
02:29:16.300 and they learned how to cook and they i gave them a cookbook and was just it was like i was like wow
02:29:20.700 we're one meal away from transforming society i realized i had a bias i had a judgment i thought
02:29:25.060 people who are overweight and i bought the implicit bias in medicine which is eat less 0.92
02:29:29.000 and exercise more meaning it's your fault you're fat you're a lazy glutton and it's your fault so 1.00
02:29:32.760 get your shit together yeah but that's not true because people are hijacked their biochemistry's 1.00
02:29:36.780 hijacked their brains can't hijack their metabolism hijacked their hormones are hijacked their immune 0.98
02:29:40.520 system hijacked their microbiome is hijacked and that drives you into this disease state that we
02:29:45.080 have in america today and so in this kid was a 16 year old he lost 50 pounds had to go get a job and
02:29:51.360 there was no place to get a job except fast food places on there he gained 50 pounds back no he's
02:29:55.240 like putting an alcoholic to work in a bar yeah you know totally and then he he he texted me later
02:29:59.880 he's like hey would you help me and i helped him he lost 132 pounds first kid in his family to go
02:30:04.520 to college finished college emailed me and said hey dr hyman would you write me a letter of
02:30:08.600 recommendation for medical school and now he's a doctor oh my god so chills and i yeah that's
02:30:13.480 to me that story is is is uh emblematic of the fact that we're literally one meal away from
02:30:19.560 transforming the health of america if we can go in and and and paul farmer did this with tb and
02:30:24.440 aids in haiti it was an intractable problem that you know they didn't have clean water they didn't
02:30:28.360 have sanitation they didn't watch us and these drugs are complicated to take back then and for
02:30:32.500 multi-drug resistant tv and aids and he was like we can fix this and he used community health workers
02:30:37.100 neighbors helping neighbors and so we we like imagine if we created a workforce of of community
02:30:43.160 health workers to go out there and go into people's homes and show them how to do this and we did this
02:30:46.680 at cleveland clinic we we did this with honestly we i have the idea we should take all the dei
02:30:51.280 instructors who are about to lose their jobs and train them in nutrition and send them into all
02:30:56.440 communities and educate people on how to eat well. It's true. I mean, I was shocked. I was at
02:31:00.000 Cleveland Clinic and there was a hospital there that takes care of a big African-American community
02:31:05.120 that's very underserved. And we had a cooking class and I thought a few people would show up.
02:31:09.280 300 women showed up. Oh, God bless them. And we had this big cooking class. 1.00
02:31:12.880 That's what I need too. I need it just to make food, period. Nevermind healthy food. All right,
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02:34:39.380 one in 180 of our members who's tested have a undiagnosed cancer which you can what detect in
02:34:44.660 a blood test now oh that's amazing and it's more accurate than many other screening tests we have
02:34:49.640 and it's something that should be available to everybody and we're we're one of the number one
02:34:52.740 providers in the world for this so it's it's unlocking things that you'd have to go through
02:34:56.800 the firewall of medicine to get and then on the back end you not only get your results but you
02:35:01.080 get deep insights about what they mean they give you like a printout of this is what we you're high
02:35:05.860 on this and this is what you should look into well it's a beautiful dashboard that you can track your
02:35:09.320 data over time and i know as a physician when i see a patient i have to pull up the pdf of the 0.88
02:35:13.740 results and then look at the one from last year or the last month and it's a pain in the ass it's not
02:35:18.280 digit digital it's not visual visually like presented in a graphic way that helps you
02:35:23.380 understand where your trend lines are and function has all that but more importantly it really has
02:35:27.760 the deep insights that are informed by all the scientific literature in the world i mean imagine
02:35:31.920 your doctor will read every scientific paper that was ever published right right now technology can
02:35:36.760 do that right imagine having the knowledge experts informing what things mean from all domains and
02:35:42.960 imagine it being formed by your data your personalized data so you actually can understand
02:35:46.880 what it means for you and what to do about it and how to act on it to up level your health what
02:35:51.700 happens if i have a question like who do i call well we're still building the platform because
02:35:56.500 we literally launched two years ago we have a success that we never quite imagined but we're
02:36:00.160 building a chat where you can interact with your own data and ask questions but but um you can go
02:36:05.280 to your family doctor you can you know go on on to learn more from the platform itself because
02:36:10.220 there's so much you're not dispensing medical advice there but you are giving people tools to
02:36:14.460 go well we're giving them deep insights about what things mean and there are there are medical
02:36:19.280 insights, but we're not telling you what to do or not to do. This leads me to my other important
02:36:24.060 question, which is how do people find a functional medicine doctor? Good question. We need more of
02:36:29.680 them. But I think part of the reason I co-founded Function was that there aren't enough. There's
02:36:33.480 thousands. There should be hundreds of thousands of practitioners so that millions and millions of
02:36:37.980 people can access this. But before I die, I didn't want to die not having functional medicine being
02:36:42.860 accessible to everybody or having their own health data being available to everybody. And so
02:36:46.860 So it's a way of leapfrogging over a period where we don't have the infrastructure yet.
02:36:51.380 And we will.
02:36:52.080 I promise you, we will.
02:36:53.480 Megan, have the future of medicine come to pass as the way it should be, just as we now
02:36:57.780 don't any longer do blood leeches or what we do for some wound healing, or we don't
02:37:03.560 have like drill holes in people's skulls to let out the bad, evil humors.
02:37:07.380 I mean, we advance in medicine.
02:37:08.980 And I think, you know, this new generation of the network systems medicine, it's going
02:37:12.600 to, the scientific paradigm, it's going to come to pass.
02:37:15.080 This makes it exciting.
02:37:16.460 I think you go to med school in today's day.
02:37:18.160 For sure.
02:37:18.840 This is a way of truly healing people
02:37:21.520 and helping people get better
02:37:22.920 as opposed to just you're going in,
02:37:25.160 you're going to be governed by the insurance companies,
02:37:26.980 you've been upper limited on how much you can make
02:37:29.140 and how much you can help.
02:37:30.320 Yeah, and doctors need to learn about,
02:37:32.840 I mean, food is the biggest cause of disease
02:37:34.480 and the biggest cure
02:37:35.260 and doctors learn nothing about it.
02:37:37.880 Nothing.
02:37:38.320 Nothing.
02:37:38.660 In Texas, I was testifying
02:37:40.940 in front of the Health and Human Services Committee
02:37:42.400 about a bill that was to actually start
02:37:45.500 to educate doctors about nutrition
02:37:46.980 and to mandate it in medical schools
02:37:48.780 and in graduate medical education residencies.
02:37:50.980 I'm so excited about that
02:37:52.140 because that'll be a domino effect.
02:37:53.980 Once state starts to do it,
02:37:55.800 it'll sort of be a trend.
02:37:56.900 And then we can actually start
02:37:58.400 to train the new generation of doctors
02:37:59.800 that is in the right paradigm.
02:38:01.200 And nurses too. 1.00
02:38:02.240 I mean, nurses can do this.
02:38:03.760 There's so many people who can do this
02:38:04.960 who, you know, short of getting an MD,
02:38:07.240 which would be like more accessible
02:38:09.840 and more affordable for a lot of people too.
02:38:11.660 So you've mentioned it several times,
02:38:13.720 the keto diet.
02:38:14.880 I've had it mentioned to me many times.
02:38:16.380 I don't understand it still.
02:38:17.900 No, I think I've looked it up,
02:38:19.460 and it says it's more like fat.
02:38:20.880 Well, it's pretty easy to understand.
02:38:21.960 So your body is like a hybrid car.
02:38:24.780 You can run on electric or on gas.
02:38:27.180 Gas is dirty burning.
02:38:28.440 Electric is clean burning.
02:38:30.180 Gas is carbohydrates.
02:38:32.080 So your body runs very well on carbohydrates,
02:38:33.860 but there's a lot of downstream consequences
02:38:36.500 of having a high-starch carbohydrate diet.
02:38:39.560 For certain conditions,
02:38:40.740 and this was first discovered in medicine with epilepsy,
02:38:42.500 We found that if you took away all the sugar and starch and you increased fat to like 75%, you could actually stop seizures that no medications would touch.
02:38:51.660 If you look back at the history of medicine and diabetes, treatment of type 1 diabetes where your pancreas just shuts down, all these kids would die.
02:38:59.440 And the way they would treat them would be putting them on a 75% fat diet.
02:39:04.600 Saturated or unsaturated?
02:39:06.340 Everything.
02:39:07.400 Lard, butter, everything.
02:39:08.900 Wow.
02:39:09.740 And, I mean, by the way, Megan, 25% of breast milk is saturated fat.
02:39:13.640 Yeah.
02:39:14.800 It's gotten a bad rap.
02:39:15.920 It's gotten a bad rap.
02:39:16.760 I mean, we can go into that too if you want.
02:39:18.020 But what was fascinating back in the teens and 20s was medicine was actually prescribing ketogenic diets for type 1 diabetics to save their lives.
02:39:27.980 And now we see that we can actually reverse what is predominantly a carbohydrate intolerant society where we have 75% overweight, 93% metabolically broken, meaning they have some problem with regulating blood sugar and insulin.
02:39:42.440 93% of us, I mean 6% of us aren't.
02:39:44.720 Probably you and me are part of that 6%.
02:39:46.420 Wow.
02:39:46.800 But it's not a lot of people.
02:39:47.760 And when you restrict carbohydrates and you increase fat, you actually switch basically from a gas-burning car to an electric-burning car, and it's clean burning.
02:40:00.900 But now we're finding it's effective for reversing type 2 diabetes, for treatment of Alzheimer's, for cancer.
02:40:07.540 Siddhartha Mukherjee may have heard of him.
02:40:09.180 He's a famous oncologist from Columbia, written a book called The Emperor of All Maladies, won the Pulitzer Prize.
02:40:14.240 he's now doing research on ketogenic diets for end-stage cancer like melanoma and pancreatic
02:40:19.100 cancer and seeing complete reversals. What? Because, yeah, because basically cancer runs
02:40:23.120 on sugar, but it's not like a hybrid engine. It can only run on carbs. It can't run on fat.
02:40:27.980 So you starve it of this carbs and cancer cells die. It's pretty remarkable. So across the spectrum,
02:40:33.840 whether it's autism or Alzheimer's or cancer or type 2 diabetes or schizophrenia or depression
02:40:40.220 or bipolar disease. 0.99
02:40:41.660 How does this jive with the old eat food, 0.89
02:40:47.120 mostly plants, not too much? 1.00
02:40:49.200 Yeah.
02:40:49.520 I think you can do it on a plant-rich diet
02:40:53.360 and you can do it in a way
02:40:54.940 that doesn't include a lot of junk.
02:40:58.080 Just put a lot of olive oil over your salads.
02:41:00.780 Olive oil, avocados, yeah, nuts and seeds.
02:41:02.820 And even, you know, people do well.
02:41:04.100 I mean, I think, you know, you have to understand
02:41:05.840 that there are certain people who do better or do worse
02:41:07.620 depending on their genetics.
02:41:08.760 And so I had a patient who was overweight, who was struggling with lots of inflammation, who was pre-diabetic, whose cholesterol was like 300, it should be 200.
02:41:16.380 Her triglycerides were 300, it should be 100 or less.
02:41:19.320 Her good cholesterol, we don't really like to call it good or bad, but the HDL was low, which is a sign of this metabolic dysfunction.
02:41:26.440 And she was desperate to try to do something. 0.88
02:41:28.080 This is in the pre-Ozempic era. 0.89
02:41:29.900 I said, listen, why don't you try ketogenic diet, see what happens, and let's follow your numbers and see how you do. 0.95
02:41:34.920 Everything corrected. 1.00
02:41:35.620 Her cholesterol dropped 100 points.
02:41:37.280 Her triglycerides dropped 200 points.
02:41:38.760 hdl went up 30 points she lost you know 25 pounds and she felt great and so and her pre-diabetes
02:41:44.800 went away so depending on the person it can be a very effective tool but it's not like a one size
02:41:49.180 fits all why is that much fat bad for like somebody who has heart disease in the family
02:41:54.140 there may be but there's actually a paper coming out soon which looks at what we call
02:41:58.420 lean mass hyper responders so there are certain people who when you have a perfect sort of
02:42:03.700 metabolic health in other words you have no pre-diabetes or insulin resistance and no
02:42:07.040 inflammation and you're a fit athlete and you have basically a lot of lean mass and not a lot
02:42:12.500 of fat on your body, when they consume high saturated fat or ketogenic diets, they'll have
02:42:17.860 a really dramatic increase in their LDL cholesterol. Now, this is something that doctors have been
02:42:23.020 trained as bad and that you immediately have a knee-jerk reaction to prescribe a statin drug,
02:42:27.480 which is the number one class of drugs sold in the world. Now, some of these people have LDLs
02:42:33.260 not under 70, which cardiologists would like,
02:42:35.300 or even under 100, which is their lab reference range,
02:42:37.400 but they have LVLs of 200, 300, 400, 500, 700.
02:42:41.240 And they have no heart disease through imaging tests.
02:42:44.940 Right, because like the calcium score.
02:42:46.180 Calcium score.
02:42:46.800 And so this is like a revolutionary new bit of data
02:42:49.280 that's now emerging from the scientific literature.
02:42:51.180 Like, what is going on here?
02:42:52.740 How does this work?
02:42:53.840 Well, when you don't eat sugar,
02:42:55.480 you have to transport energy around the body.
02:42:57.220 And how do you do it?
02:42:58.180 Through fat, right?
02:42:59.440 And what is the biggest fat carrier?
02:43:00.880 it's your lipoproteins which are fat and and and water don't mix right so you can't just put fat
02:43:07.080 in your blood you have to connect it to proteins so what is lbl it means low density lipoprotein
02:43:11.160 it's a lipo means fat protein so you put fat and protein together it can be transported through
02:43:16.040 your body for energy and other sources so it's really it's fascinating the science is constantly
02:43:20.180 evolving and i think for certain people ketogenic diets can be life-changing like life-changing i've
02:43:25.540 treated schizophrenia with it treated alzheimer's with it autism with it depression with it obviously
02:43:30.500 type 2 diabetes with it. And you can reverse up to 60 to 70% of type 2 diabetes. It's very advanced
02:43:35.640 where people are on insulin. When I was in medical school, chronic diseases were chronic. They never
02:43:40.860 went away to reverse heart failure, to reverse diabetes, to reverse kidney issues, to reverse
02:43:47.000 hypertension. These things don't happen in traditional medicine. What about the thought
02:43:52.040 of mixing the keto diet with Mediterranean? Because that's the other one that everybody
02:43:56.000 loves Mediterranean.
02:43:57.280 Well, you can eat a Mediterranean diet,
02:43:58.580 but that's not necessarily a ketogenic diet.
02:44:00.760 Ketogenic is a very specific thing
02:44:02.180 that happens in your body.
02:44:03.220 Do you go on keto like forever?
02:44:05.640 Some people do.
02:44:06.680 Some people do and they thrive on it.
02:44:09.400 Other people don't do well on it.
02:44:11.320 So I think it's very individual.
02:44:12.440 Like try it for a month
02:44:13.180 and get your inflammation under control.
02:44:14.160 You need about usually six weeks to adapt
02:44:16.280 to become fat adapted
02:44:17.460 to your metabolism shifts over.
02:44:19.220 And then you can see where you're at
02:44:20.280 and then check your numbers.
02:44:21.340 But there's a company called Virta Health
02:44:23.420 that's reversing type two diabetes
02:44:24.720 with an online program of ketogenic diets.
02:44:27.380 And not only have they seen 60% reversal,
02:44:29.880 not only have they seen 12% weight loss,
02:44:31.940 which is massive,
02:44:32.880 it's as good as any of these drugs
02:44:34.440 that are out there now,
02:44:36.040 that actually they've done a parallel study
02:44:37.760 like comparing just their program
02:44:40.300 to Ozempic and those drugs,
02:44:42.360 and they're equally effective in the outcome.
02:44:44.960 So it's not something magic about Ozempic.
02:44:47.160 It's the weight loss,
02:44:48.360 and it's the change in metabolic health.
02:44:51.580 And so you can do it through various ways,
02:44:54.020 whether it's a drug or whether it's a ketogenic diet.
02:44:56.660 And they found their lipid biomarkers,
02:44:58.120 over 20 different cholesterol and heart disease risk factors,
02:45:01.440 all got better by eating a super high-fat diet, right?
02:45:05.520 And again, so you're saying, but also saturated fat.
02:45:07.820 So that would be like red meat,
02:45:09.420 like the fat that you're getting.
02:45:10.740 I'm trying to think, what's good for you saturated fat?
02:45:13.760 I know bad for you saturated fat,
02:45:15.140 as in the ultra-processed foods.
02:45:17.360 Well, trans fat is basically the worst saturated fat.
02:45:19.800 That's the worst you can do.
02:45:20.620 And that's basically vegetable oil, shortening.
02:45:23.560 And they call it shortening because it shortens your life.
02:45:25.500 You know how many things call for that, by the way?
02:45:27.400 Having like a daughter who's in eighth grade,
02:45:29.440 every time she has to make brownies or cookies for the school,
02:45:32.080 you know, all of it wants actual vegetable oil.
02:45:34.780 And like, she's like, I don't know if you can use olive oil.
02:45:37.040 I'm like, you're using it.
02:45:38.420 It's olive oil cake.
02:45:39.460 I mean, yeah, it's fine, actually.
02:45:41.440 It tastes a little different, I confess, but it's healthier, I think.
02:45:45.060 Yeah, you can.
02:45:45.460 And so, you know, there's a tremendous amount of emerging data
02:45:49.880 that saturated fats aren't the boogeyman we thought they were.
02:45:52.280 You know, there was a long history of a scientist named Ansel Keys in the 60s who basically did this study called the Seven Country Study, which showed that people who had higher levels of saturated fat had higher LDL and higher heart disease risk.
02:46:04.760 But they left out the other 14 or 15 countries where their data didn't match that, like Switzerland or France, right?
02:46:13.060 So they were like, I was cherry picking a little bit.
02:46:14.880 And then we got into this era of low-fat, and that led to the food pyramid, which told us to eat 6 to 11 servings of bread, rice, cereal, and pasta day, which we did like a dutiful population.
02:46:26.080 That was a good era, though. I mean, that was a nice time. Let's be honest.
02:46:28.180 We did that as dutiful citizens, and what happened to America? We exploded.
02:46:33.060 Hand me that sourdough. I'd eat more.
02:46:34.880 That's right. Well, sourdough's not so bad, but the diabetes rates exploded.
02:46:38.300 I mean, we've tripled the obesity rates, and we've tripled the diabetes rates.
02:46:41.540 Yeah, you can see it.
02:46:42.580 I mean, this is not a genetic problem. 0.63
02:46:44.320 Do you see those memes online where they show Americans in the 1900s and they're all, first
02:46:48.580 of all, they're well-dressed and second of all, they're all slim.
02:46:50.900 All of them are slim.
02:46:52.040 It's very rare to see an obese person, even in the United States a hundred years ago.
02:46:56.480 Not even a hundred years ago.
02:46:57.640 I mean, African-Americans in the sixties were healthier than white Americans.
02:47:02.800 They were thinner and they had less disease. 1.00
02:47:04.860 Now it's the opposite.
02:47:06.460 You know, when we saw COVID attack certain communities like New Orleans or Chicago, and
02:47:11.080 And 70% of the deaths were from 30% of the population, which was African-American.
02:47:16.020 And when you've watched, there's a movie called Amazing Grace with Aretha Franklin.
02:47:20.960 It was filmed in 1970 in Oakland. 0.52
02:47:23.600 There wasn't an overweight black person in the audience, and she wasn't overweight. 0.55
02:47:27.480 Wow. 0.99
02:47:28.140 And you go like, whoa, wow, that's crazy.
02:47:30.460 And now 80% of African women are overweight, and obesity rates, and heart disease rates, and hypertension rates, and kidney failure rates far exceed the rest of the population.
02:47:38.600 And you can tie this to ultra-processed foods and to the demonization of fat and elevation of sugar.
02:47:46.260 Yeah, yeah.
02:47:47.260 And that was the problem.
02:47:48.360 And now we've kind of reversed that trend.
02:47:49.820 And I think it's a big sort of tanker ship to move, but we have to do it because we're not only threatening our personal health, we're threatening our national security.
02:48:01.140 70% or 77% of recruits for the military are rejected because they're unfit to fight because they're overweight or other reasons because of their diet.
02:48:08.600 And you've got global competitiveness being challenged.
02:48:11.480 We're like 30-something in math and reading in the world
02:48:13.380 because kids can't learn in school
02:48:15.520 because they're all doped up on these drugs
02:48:18.280 and eating sugar and these chemicals in the food
02:48:19.980 that are causing ADD, behavior issues,
02:48:22.220 and all sorts of things.
02:48:22.880 And depression.
02:48:23.660 And depression.
02:48:23.940 I've heard you talk about this too.
02:48:25.060 This is like you go to a therapist today,
02:48:27.900 whether it's you or a child,
02:48:29.580 the first thing you want to do is prescribe you something.
02:48:31.220 They want to get your college-age kid
02:48:33.020 hooked on a drug like that.
02:48:34.760 They're like, they've helped a lot of people.
02:48:36.080 there's no explanation of no one would ever ask what are you eating no no one no one it's true
02:48:42.360 it's true i mean it's it's it's the most amazing thing to me because it's so obvious
02:48:46.260 but as doctors we learn that you know disease really doesn't have anything to do with nutrition
02:48:50.380 if you go to your rheumatologist and autoimmune disease it's nothing to do with nutrition if you
02:48:54.180 go to gi doctor i mean i'm like what do you mean i mean think about it you're putting pounds of
02:48:58.900 this foreign stuff in your mouth every day how does it not impact what's going on in your gut
02:49:02.820 Right.
02:49:03.200 Right?
02:49:03.660 It's like, it's kind of crazy.
02:49:05.280 So, I mean, if you're feeling depressed or you're feeling anxiety,
02:49:07.480 rule number one should probably be take a look at what you're eating.
02:49:11.000 What are you eating?
02:49:11.700 Yeah.
02:49:11.940 I mean, I have an incredible approach to one of my patients where I put them on a reset program.
02:49:16.980 It's like hitting your body's factory reset button.
02:49:20.160 So go back to your original factory settings.
02:49:21.980 Yeah.
02:49:22.420 And I call it the 10-Day Detox Diet.
02:49:24.320 I've written a book about it.
02:49:25.580 There's a website where you can kind of go on 10daydetoxdiet.com and actually learn about it and do it if you want to.
02:49:30.560 and what's amazing is that in 10 days
02:49:33.640 there's a 70% reduction in all symptoms from all diseases
02:49:36.860 which sounds crazy for me to say it
02:49:39.240 but I've done this so many times
02:49:40.680 with so many people and track their symptoms
02:49:42.300 and how they feel
02:49:43.060 and it allows them to see the connection
02:49:45.400 between what they're eating and how they feel
02:49:47.120 oh I didn't know that this constant congestion I had
02:49:49.840 was from when I was eating
02:49:50.480 I didn't know that this rash that I've got in my body
02:49:53.160 all the time I can't get rid of is from what I mean
02:49:54.880 I didn't know that my stomach issues are related
02:49:56.680 or my sleep issues or my depression
02:49:58.160 or my migraines or whatever it is
02:50:00.420 food is generally the first place to look and if you can clean the deck and take out the bad stuff
02:50:05.240 and put in the good stuff you know take out all the processed foods all the sugar and starch put
02:50:09.200 in you know lots of vegetables good healthy you know protein lots of nuts and seeds and get out
02:50:15.300 all the ultra processed foods the body is so smart it's like quickly changes and i i'm sort of i'm
02:50:20.440 sort of shocked when i see it and it's repeatable every single time can we talk about red meat
02:50:24.400 there's a lot of people who are on this like carnivore diet yes there's hardcore red meat
02:50:28.200 all the time yeah we've got vegans and the carnivores on one side no we've got a good friend
02:50:32.060 who's argentinian and he's like every single member of my family had ldls through the roof
02:50:36.980 and no heart disease and they lived into their low hundreds yeah and they all they did was eat
02:50:41.120 steak yeah well that's it well they had grass-fed steak in argentina and yeah right so there's no
02:50:45.220 industrial but what's i mean when i was growing up in like the 80s yeah they were like i remember
02:50:48.900 because i was a young aerobics instructor yeah and uh my fellow aerobics instructors were shaming
02:50:53.480 themselves for having meat more than once a week yeah and i was like oh i didn't even know that
02:50:57.520 was bad. Well, that was a result of this demonization of saturated fat. The meat has
02:51:02.020 some saturated fat. So if you eat that, you're basically going to kill yourself. So there's a
02:51:06.500 whole era where people were eating very low amounts of meat and their meat consumption
02:51:11.360 has gone way down. And it didn't mean that all the disease rates went down. So something didn't
02:51:17.020 kind of line up. And what happened with meat is that we kind of got confused because a lot of
02:51:22.140 the population studies that were done at that time, and population studies do not show cause
02:51:27.040 and effect they just look at trend lines and then it may be a cause or it may be a correlation and
02:51:33.220 and what they found was that people who are meat eaters in those eras actually had more disease
02:51:37.160 but when you look at the specifics of of their behaviors the meat eaters in those studies they
02:51:41.860 ate 800 calories more a day they drank more they didn't eat their fruits and vegetables they eat
02:51:46.180 more sugar they didn't exercise they smoke yeah there you go that's why they were sicker it wasn't
02:51:50.780 because of the meat and when you look at studies for example when they've done this with 11 000
02:51:54.800 people who shopped at health food stores who were either you know omnivores and ate meat or
02:51:58.900 vegans or vegetarians they both had their risk of death reduced in half it's because they weren't
02:52:03.280 eating all the crap right so it's not the meat it's what you eat with it is it the is it the 0.68
02:52:08.360 burger or is it the bun and the sugar you know i have to i just noticed this the other day but 0.98
02:52:12.760 for example my kids love ice cream and who doesn't i was just looking at those you can get those uh
02:52:18.480 like dark chocolate bars at whole foods i like the one that's like mint blackout in any event
02:52:23.640 And if it's over 90% cacao, which is going to mean it has less sugar, you can have four squares of that chocolate, which is a decent size.
02:52:37.160 If you're watching this on YouTube, it's like about this big, maybe a little smaller, but about around there.
02:52:43.140 And it's only five grams of sugar.
02:52:44.880 Like if you really have a Jones for something sweet after dinner,
02:52:48.820 you could have that for five grams,
02:52:51.200 or you could have a big bowl of ice cream,
02:52:52.740 which might have 30, even more grams of sugar in there.
02:52:55.980 People don't even know what a gram is.
02:52:56.860 I mean, this is an example of how the food industry has taken over our government
02:53:01.680 in labeling.
02:53:03.800 And we're trying to change front of package labeling and food labels.
02:53:06.160 But no one knows what a gram of sugar is.
02:53:08.920 If I say four grams is a teaspoon,
02:53:10.900 if I say this soda has 15 teaspoons of sugar,
02:53:14.460 you're going to like blink and look twice.
02:53:16.040 If you say it has 39 grams of sugar or 40 grams,
02:53:18.720 you're not going to know what that means.
02:53:21.520 No.
02:53:21.960 And that's on purpose.
02:53:22.480 So a teaspoon is about four grams?
02:53:23.820 Yeah.
02:53:24.100 Okay.
02:53:24.540 That's on purpose.
02:53:25.720 Right.
02:53:26.120 You know, I mean, you have to have a PhD nutrition
02:53:28.780 to decipher one of those labels.
02:53:30.280 Right, they make it so hard for you.
02:53:31.280 Make it really hard.
02:53:31.960 So I think, you know, in other countries,
02:53:33.740 they have better front of package labeling,
02:53:35.480 which is either red, this is going to kill you,
02:53:38.060 yellow, eat with caution, green,
02:53:39.440 you can do as much as you want of it.
02:53:40.540 Or, you know, they put warning labels in South America.
02:53:43.020 they have big like octagon stop signs with this is called crossbow yeah basically i mean you got
02:53:48.940 i don't even in south america if you go to on a plane in south america you get your snacks it's
02:53:53.320 like you can't eat any of them because they all have like three different giant stop signs on
02:53:56.340 them with basically warning labels it's a good idea yeah i mean on a can of soda which is a
02:54:00.860 diastole they put in warning labels that says this is going to harm your kid this can cause
02:54:04.480 neurologic issues and don't drink it don't feed it to them oh my god i mean great more like it yeah
02:54:09.160 our executive producer has a third grader he has two kids but one of them is in third grade and he
02:54:15.840 has a question i bet a lot of our listeners have yeah which is what can you pack in a lunch that
02:54:22.420 is healthy for a third grade child and frankly for most children because you try to send try to send
02:54:28.640 your kid to school with a bag lunch or send your kid on a field trip with a bag with the other kid
02:54:32.860 for the junk food you know and and yeah i i too don't know where to begin it's so hard they're
02:54:38.720 not going to eat a salad first of all no you don't need a salad but they're you know it's real it
02:54:43.240 should be real food and there's lots of yummy things that kids can eat that they like that
02:54:47.480 aren't bad for them and what we need to do is stop putting lunchables and go-gurts and all these sort
02:54:52.860 of industrially designed foods that aren't technically my doctor says yogurt is a lie
02:54:57.200 right he doesn't mean non-fat greek yogurt he's talking about or full fat greek yogurt no no he's
02:55:02.600 not talking about that he's not talking about you know yogurt that's not sugary yeah i mean people
02:55:07.700 don't realize that you can get your like you know sweetened yogurt that's low fat that has more
02:55:11.980 sugar per ounce than a soda yeah but you can you know what i i have this almost every day for
02:55:17.480 breakfast i have i'll either get non-fat or two percent uh the phage fahe yogurt uh greek yogurt
02:55:24.140 can i get the full fat i don't know i i don't want to you know i'm a little worried you can
02:55:28.480 um and i'll put like blueberries in there and i'll put some chia seeds in there and i'll put
02:55:33.600 some hemp seeds in there because i'm just i don't even know why i'm just told those are good for
02:55:36.580 They're protein, I guess.
02:55:38.180 Yeah, protein and good fats.
02:55:38.980 And sometimes I'll sprinkle just a little low sugar granola in there,
02:55:42.400 which you can get with no seed oils on it.
02:55:44.180 They have paleo granola now, yeah.
02:55:45.520 You got to look for that.
02:55:46.540 But not too much because you don't want to completely overload it
02:55:48.900 with sugary products or whatever.
02:55:50.320 But it's so good.
02:55:51.920 Yeah.
02:55:52.420 It ties me over for hours, and I love it, and I know it's good for me.
02:55:55.860 And if you make your home a safe zone, you teach your kids about food,
02:55:58.900 you cook with them, you show them what food's about, that's what they learn.
02:56:02.580 Okay, but let's give them an actual possibility that could go in there.
02:56:05.860 what could be in their school lunch yeah what could go in i mean you could put uh like uh i
02:56:10.840 don't know i mean like you can make a sandwich out of healthy stuff right you could have uh
02:56:14.660 i'm just blanking now because i haven't packed my kids lunch like chicken you can't you can't do
02:56:18.560 chicken nuggets can you or can you do like the organic ones that you get it yeah you could do
02:56:22.180 that i mean you could do that that are that are not you know deep fried in the bed you can't get
02:56:25.820 sliced deli meat right no slice deli meat's not good that's the devil you know the bologna
02:56:29.800 sandwiches with mayo and bread i mean you shouldn't be putting a sandwich in there i mean you could
02:56:33.980 if it's if it's whole grain bread and you you know you know the source of it i think the kids
02:56:37.440 need to eat real food and what's the problem is that they're not eating real food and there are
02:56:41.240 there are great guides on how to do this um i'm i'm like blanking on school lunches because
02:56:45.960 basically well an apple fruit cheese cheese can be fine okay with cheese yeah cheese can be fine
02:56:52.040 i prefer sheep or goat cheese what else steve what else do we need to know hold on see if
02:56:57.660 there's a follow-up what what kind of meat yeah what kind of meat in the sandwich like
02:57:03.240 real turkey sliced turkey roast real real like not deli no not deli turkey because that's like
02:57:08.960 kind of ground up and mixed with all kinds of stuff like a chicken breast that you cooked
02:57:12.880 yourself the night before in avocado oil something like that that's pasture raised yeah okay it's
02:57:18.460 just so much harder than it should be you know it's like well the defaults are the wrong choices
02:57:22.620 how do we make the defaults the easy choices and the right choices yeah i don't know i like even
02:57:27.940 in the summers i'm sure a lot there are a lot of parents out there who can relate to this
02:57:30.840 the summers the family eating goes to hell the kids daily eating because they're all over the
02:57:38.180 place you know our kids go to this day camp then they swing by the the ice cream place that has a
02:57:42.200 great menu like a diner kind of place and they're all eating just terrible food all day long i don't
02:57:48.160 even know what the alternative is you know like without hiring a chef to live in your house and
02:57:52.880 come up with healthy options for all three meals you know they'll they're eating bagel with cream
02:57:57.500 cheese in the morning and then they're eating like a cheese steak for for lunch and then you
02:58:01.780 know i'll get them for dinner but it's so hard it is it is and that's that's the whole point of what
02:58:06.760 needs to change in our policies to to change the things from the top down so that we produce food
02:58:12.040 that's healthier that we have clear labeling on foods that people know what they're getting
02:58:16.140 that we have access in a way that we don't have now to healthier options and so those those things
02:58:22.380 will take time and i think that's what the trump administration is trying to do i hope they succeed
02:58:27.080 I think there's a sort of a tension between the USDA and HHS because the USDA basically is to support farmers and not necessarily support the health of Americans.
02:58:35.940 And they essentially are creating all the diseases inadvertently that Health and Human Services and Medicare and Medicaid are having to take care of.
02:58:42.800 Swift beware of the USDA.
02:58:44.000 Like the right hand is actually making the left hand jobs a lot harder.
02:58:47.580 How do you like RFKJ's chances of succeeding in this job given all these forces?
02:58:52.420 He's got a lot of forces right against him.
02:58:53.960 I mean, there's a multi-trillion dollar industry that is basically wanting him to fail and that's threatened.
02:58:59.080 The food industry, the farming industry, the pharmaceutical industry, it's not a small thing.
02:59:05.840 And I think if President Trump gets behind him and supports him, I think if he's able to get clear on what his objectives are,
02:59:11.580 if he's able to sort of get on the low-hanging fruit and have the easy wins, I think they'll win.
02:59:15.780 So, for example, getting all the additives and chemicals out of food is starting to happen.
02:59:18.940 Now, there's 30-plus bills around the country in different states.
02:59:22.700 Some of them, 10 of them, I think, are Democrat-led, most of the rest are Republican-led.
02:59:27.940 And they're, for example, to get rid of the chemicals in Dyson food or to have SNAP waivers, to get rid of soda and SNAP.
02:59:33.820 These things are happening.
02:59:34.760 You get nutrition education like in Texas for doctors or stop punishing kids by restricting recess and jab if they need it.
02:59:43.420 There's things happening.
02:59:45.220 The Maha movement has sort of catalyzed this groundswell. 0.95
02:59:48.580 I'm sort of shocked. 0.72
02:59:49.720 I mean, I never thought.
02:59:50.980 It's awesome.
02:59:51.520 I hear Callie means drop it all the time. 1.00
02:59:53.440 He's like, you're going to tell the Maha moms out there that you won't take sugar out. 0.94
02:59:57.660 And they're like, it's great. 1.00
02:59:58.360 He's using it and he should. 1.00
02:59:59.640 Because the Maha mom thing is real. 1.00
03:00:01.840 Like they're out there and they're pissed off about what's been done. 1.00
03:00:04.980 I'm 100% mom, happily and proudly.
03:00:08.680 Because I'm pissed off about what these industries have done to me, to my family,
03:00:13.580 how hard they've made it for us all, how expensive they've made it for us.
03:00:17.240 And the government's been sort of in collusion a little bit.
03:00:20.500 That's the problem.
03:00:21.300 Most people can't afford to shop at Whole Foods.
03:00:24.060 It's very expensive.
03:00:25.160 But Walmart is the biggest-
03:00:25.840 But it's so hard to get organic fruit and vegetable.
03:00:27.540 Walmart is the biggest organic grocer in the country.
03:00:30.680 It is?
03:00:31.040 It is the biggest organic-
03:00:31.960 There's not a Walmart near me, that's why.
03:00:33.940 There are Walmarts near most of underserved populations.
03:00:36.940 So, I mean, I shopped at Walmart and during COVID,
03:00:40.320 I was helping different people who couldn't get food.
03:00:42.420 I would go get food.
03:00:43.060 I was like, wow, I can fill up in a giant grocery cart
03:00:45.800 full of real food-
03:00:46.880 That's good.
03:00:47.560 For 500 bucks.
03:00:48.400 Grass-fed beef and all that?
03:00:49.420 giant walmart carton like a regular grocery cart yeah not grass-fed necessarily but just like
03:00:53.380 real food okay you know meat vegetables you know how important is the grass-fed thing
03:00:58.260 in the hierarchy of things i think it's less important okay and it's more important to have
03:01:02.460 regenerative agriculture to rebuild our soil and to sort of rebuild farms in terms of your health
03:01:07.980 i think the kind of trade-off between eating real food and eating processed food i would skip the
03:01:13.760 organic and i would skip them okay i mean this is my selling heresy but in terms of like having a
03:01:18.360 choice if you can't afford it yep i would i would always choose the their relative sins yeah the
03:01:23.040 real food versus the processed back to rfpj they definitely want to destroy him and so one of my 0.58
03:01:28.500 feelings is for the next four years hopefully he decides to keep the job that long we need to be
03:01:34.280 super wary of hit pieces on him because the odds are they've been planted by one of his detractors
03:01:39.980 just in the news now they're trying to blame him for this measles outbreak down in texas in a
03:01:45.600 community of mennonites who don't take vaccines and never have that's right long before bobby
03:01:51.220 kennedy came on the scene yeah never mind became hhs secretary it's like he went down there out of
03:01:56.660 empathy to this little boy's funeral and they're like you you're to blame yeah but i do wonder
03:02:03.480 like that kind of story gets amplified and i don't think it's totally organic oh it's not i mean it's
03:02:08.520 it's really not i mean it's sort of sort of insidious i mean the the uh with dr oz they did
03:02:13.660 this new york times published a piece on him years ago taking him down because this group called the
03:02:18.840 american council on science and health had a wrote a letter to columbia to take him off the faculty
03:02:23.980 because he was a quack and there was you know like sort of eight or nine doctors on the letterhead
03:02:28.840 that was from the american council on science and health when you look at who that group is
03:02:32.560 they're funded by the pesticide industry by the big food manufacturers by big pharma by tobacco
03:02:38.640 Wow.
03:02:39.280 And they basically say that pesticides, cigarettes, and trans fats are fine. 0.99
03:02:43.760 We shouldn't worry about them.
03:02:44.920 I remember this.
03:02:45.700 And they've come after me.
03:02:46.480 Is it because he was pushing supplements on his show, like as an advertiser?
03:02:49.680 I mean, maybe.
03:02:50.640 That was their end.
03:02:51.580 Maybe.
03:02:52.140 But he also was challenging things about the food system.
03:02:55.440 Oh, no.
03:02:55.740 I'm just saying that's the excuse they found to come from him.
03:02:57.780 And when you look at who that group was, like one of the guys spent years in jail for Medicare fraud.
03:03:03.060 And I was sort of shocked that the New York Times is an investigative journalist outlet, I thought, and it wasn't.
03:03:11.200 I mean, it took me like 10 minutes to figure out who these people were by Googling them and what their backgrounds were and why they had this opinion and what this group was about.
03:03:19.080 And there's so many of these front groups out there that seem noble and high-minded.
03:03:24.200 The American Council on Science and Health, who would not believe what they have to say, right?
03:03:27.820 Or like in another lane, the American Academy of Pediatrics.
03:03:31.260 Yeah, 100%.
03:03:32.160 We used to trust and now should not.
03:03:34.480 All of the, everything, whether it's American Diabetes Association, American Heart Association,
03:03:37.960 American Chemistry and Pediatric State, some of them are doing good things.
03:03:40.800 But on the other hand, they're also funded in large part by pharma and food industry.
03:03:45.600 Well, why are pediatricians still pushing the flu vaccine on us?
03:03:49.920 And grown-up doctors, too.
03:03:52.020 It's one of those things, Megan, that I do not understand.
03:03:54.500 You know, in medicine and science, the whole point is to question your assumptions.
03:03:59.520 and science is based on hypotheses
03:04:03.140 that challenge given assumptions.
03:04:04.880 So it's really about the questions.
03:04:07.020 When you start to ask questions about vaccines, 0.51
03:04:09.480 you're all of a sudden a heretic.
03:04:11.660 And you're excommunicated- 0.98
03:04:11.820 Oh, YouTube's labeling our video right now.
03:04:14.540 For real information about vaccines, go to the CDC.
03:04:17.080 Yeah, you're excommunicated as a scientist, as a doctor.
03:04:20.300 When I was at Cleveland Clinic,
03:04:22.120 I had written an article years before I joined
03:04:24.880 about a kid who was at autism that I treated.
03:04:27.320 And in the history, I said,
03:04:29.360 this is the history and this is the kid had you know born by c-section or took antibiotics or had
03:04:33.360 gut issues or had this and you know the mother said and she was a actually a vp at pfizer said
03:04:38.320 you know by the way you know my kid had this mmr vaccine and after that he seemed to get regressive
03:04:42.980 autism and i'm not saying it was a cause i'm just saying i wrote about it as part of the medical
03:04:47.100 history and then even at the beginning of the article i wrote a disclaimer i said i'm not saying
03:04:50.800 vaccines cause autism i'm just saying like this is part of the story part of the story and the
03:04:54.400 this kind of got up through the drinks at cleveland clinic and the pediatric department said you have
03:04:58.820 to write a letter stating that you are a hundred percent in support of vaccines or you're basically
03:05:02.760 fired what like that's the kind of that's the kind of thinking in medicine and whether you're
03:05:08.400 jay badachari who got you know kind of blacklisted or you're people who start to question things
03:05:12.740 we should be asking questions and when you look at vaccine history there's great benefit but also
03:05:19.600 we should be honest they're like any other medical treatment that has benefits and risks with the
03:05:23.660 vaccine we saw myocarditis and other issues i mean young adults who got vaccinated more than once had
03:05:28.660 have greater risk of myocarditis from the vaccine than they got from COVID. That's published in
03:05:33.600 major peer-reviewed journals. This is not a heretic opinion.
03:05:37.800 But what's so annoying about it, so now you can say it because it's been published and so on,
03:05:40.840 but at the time when we were first seeing signs of it and you had pediatric cardiologists coming
03:05:45.880 forward to say, hold on, I'm seeing this. Even then, when they knew something might be developing,
03:05:51.780 they completely stifled debate or outing of those concerns. That's when it was most needed,
03:05:56.700 and but also most banned you know where like you couldn't talk about yeah it's kind of nuts i mean
03:06:04.440 i i think it's just that we can't trust the american public to deal with a nuanced conversation
03:06:08.400 to teach them about the benefits and the risk to help them understand the difference between
03:06:12.300 sterile immunity and disease immunity sterile immunities you get measles vaccine you never
03:06:15.520 get measles disease immunity is you get a vaccine like the flu vaccine or co vaccine you reduce your
03:06:20.400 risk of getting the disease or the severity of disease or hospitalization or death that's a very
03:06:24.760 different thing so when they say it's safe and effective that's a trope that doesn't make any
03:06:29.320 sense nothing in medicine is safe and 100 effective or 100 safe whether it's you know
03:06:33.680 getting an injection for a procedure you can potentially get infection you can get bleeding i
03:06:37.860 mean i mean i had back surgery and i i you know after you know i had a huge bleed into my spine
03:06:43.720 it was wasn't a doctor didn't do it on purpose but it was a complication that i yeah so there
03:06:48.440 are benefits and risks to anything in medicine to any drug aspirin i mean we used to think aspirin
03:06:53.020 was god's gift to mankind people were taking it every day everybody should take aspirin to prevent
03:06:57.240 heart attacks and then the data started emerging as doctors continue to ask questions we should be 0.98
03:07:02.160 asking questions oh let's look at this again so they looked at it again and they thought oh shit 0.69
03:07:06.420 you know like it's actually causing more deaths in people who were at low risk for heart disease 0.95
03:07:11.160 from brain bleeds and gi bleeds stomach bleeds then from preventing heart attacks so let's let's
03:07:17.000 restrict the use of it to those who are at the highest risk which is what we should be doing
03:07:20.920 in medicine constantly learning evolving growing but when it comes to vaccines you can't even ask
03:07:24.420 the question so you know i i've been vaccinated i have my kids vaccinated i mean like i'm not
03:07:28.900 anti-vaccine i think they're an important part of our medical arsenal but they're not like perfect
03:07:34.340 and they have problems and we should be studying this yeah nothing is above uh questions yeah in
03:07:39.120 medicine or shouldn't be and you know what we're in a new era where when people say it's it's it's
03:07:43.040 debunked it's been settled and these are just things that are so anti-science right it's amazing
03:07:47.760 those words should be retired exactly but i mean you look we're now we've got trump we've got bobby
03:07:52.240 we've got jay batachari we've got marty mccary like we're we're slowly but surely turning this
03:07:56.640 aircraft carrier around but it's going to require like antenna for the attacks on them yeah and
03:08:02.500 voices and we're going to have to get pissed off and follow the cali means method of yelling at
03:08:08.220 everybody i told him he's got to calm down i just get in the garden you know like just chill out
03:08:13.700 No, never. I disagree, Callie. Don't listen to Mark.
03:08:17.000 All right, stay on there. We're going to take a break. We'll be right back.
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03:10:41.100 Now, let's talk about the weight loss drugs, because it seems like one of the first things that Trump did in the Maha lane was to take them off of the Medicare and Medicaid, too, options.
03:10:54.180 But that seems counterintuitive, because being fat causes everything.
03:10:58.040 It's true.
03:10:58.620 It's complicated.
03:10:59.780 I mean, Medicare Part D is the drug benefit for Medicare.
03:11:02.960 It's $145 billion.
03:11:04.900 If you treated all the obese people in Medicare with those MPEC,
03:11:08.260 it would be, I think, $267 billion just for that.
03:11:11.620 But wouldn't it then lower the cost of all the other things they need?
03:11:14.540 It might, it might.
03:11:15.700 But the question is, is there a different way to go about this?
03:11:19.120 And can you get the same benefits?
03:11:20.840 And what is going on with our food system and the causes of this?
03:11:24.440 So it's easy to look for that quick fix or the quick jab
03:11:26.440 that's going to solve all your problems.
03:11:27.720 But it doesn't come without risk.
03:11:28.880 So when you take these drugs,
03:11:30.820 one, you might feel nauseous and not feeling right.
03:11:33.260 That's probably how it works.
03:11:34.620 It makes you not want to eat because you don't feel good.
03:11:37.160 So who wants to rock around with that?
03:11:38.660 And most people discontinue it after the first year.
03:11:40.980 I mean, it's a big discontinuation rate because of the side effects.
03:11:45.620 Not only that, those are short-term kind of short-lived side effects,
03:11:47.940 but we see a 400% increase in bowel obstruction, which needs surgery.
03:11:51.700 We see a 900% increase in pancreatic injury.
03:11:55.360 We see increases in thyroid cancer.
03:11:57.040 People debate that whether it's just in animals or not,
03:11:59.360 but it's still a concern.
03:12:00.980 And you see people losing half their weight as muscle.
03:12:06.320 Muscle is where your metabolism is.
03:12:08.600 So here's the problem.
03:12:09.960 You lose, let's say, 50 pounds.
03:12:11.820 Half of that's muscle.
03:12:13.140 You get off the drug because most people stop it.
03:12:15.140 You gain back the weight.
03:12:16.980 Now it's all fat.
03:12:17.920 All fat.
03:12:18.660 So then you could be the same weight you were when you started. 0.86
03:12:21.080 Except a lot flabbier.
03:12:22.260 But your metabolism will be slower because muscle from seven times the calories is fat.
03:12:26.700 So you need to eat less at the same weight just to maintain that weight.
03:12:29.560 So it's a slippery slope unless you are, and I think this is something that we've talked about in some of the policy conversations we have had.
03:12:37.640 If you're going to give this drug, it must be delivered along with a nutrition counseling program that makes you eat at least a gram of protein per ideal body weight.
03:12:48.100 So let's say per pound of ideal body weight.
03:12:49.540 So let's say you're 120 pounds, you need 120 grams of protein.
03:12:53.240 And a strength training program.
03:12:54.880 So you keep your muscle.
03:12:56.100 And if you don't do that, there's a huge risk on the backside of it.
03:12:59.200 You're going to be skinny fat. 0.98
03:13:00.480 Skinny fat. 0.90
03:13:01.040 It's great.
03:13:01.900 I know.
03:13:02.620 It's a terrible situation.
03:13:03.880 Nobody wants to be skinny fat.
03:13:04.820 It's like you look good in clothes, but then when you take the clothes off, it goes downhill fast.
03:13:08.620 There's another word for it called toffee, not tofu.
03:13:10.580 Thin on the outside, fat on the inside.
03:13:12.100 Oh, yeah.
03:13:12.480 Nobody wants that.
03:13:13.400 That's fine until you get to beach season.
03:13:15.800 These are an important advance in medicine, but they have to be prescribed intelligently.
03:13:19.760 They have to be done in the right way for the right person.
03:13:21.580 It's not a panacea for everything.
03:13:23.060 And we have to fix our food system.
03:13:25.000 And we have to fix the reason why we're fat.
03:13:26.760 morbidly obese come in person come in to see you you wouldn't consider like saying you want to 1.00
03:13:31.140 check out a zempick yeah i think you know what did we do before this you know there's a woman 0.87
03:13:36.000 working with me who's um been working on my non-profit for years she's now the first lady 0.99
03:13:40.720 west virginia she lost over 100 pounds just following some simple guidance that i gave her
03:13:44.700 about what to do she's a brilliant woman but she didn't ever know about nutrition and it's another
03:13:48.520 woman in cleveland clinic who had heart failure type 2 diabetes hypertension she had multiple
03:13:54.220 stents put in she had fatty livers her kidneys were starting to fail i mean she was on her way
03:13:57.820 to her kidney and a heart transplant and within three days and this sounds crazy but she was
03:14:01.960 off her insulin by changing her diet in three months she reversed her diabetes her a1c which
03:14:06.620 is your average blood sugar went from 11 to five and a half which is normal her heart failure
03:14:10.920 reversed we call it the injection fracture was how much blood you can pump out per minute again
03:14:14.600 that got back to normal from being low her kidneys got better her fatty liver went away she got off
03:14:19.600 her medications she saved twenty thousand dollars in copay i don't know what you medicare was
03:14:23.280 covering for her but that was her copay you save a lot of money and it's just about teaching people
03:14:28.540 the basics of what to do and most people don't know like the family i was talking about this
03:14:32.580 was the pre-ozempic era a lot of people know and they just they some people very hard some people
03:14:36.780 do and some people just don't know and i think you know that's what i i i have changed over the
03:14:41.240 years i've i sort of believed like like i said earlier that people who are overweight or who
03:14:45.780 have these conditions they know better but they just don't do it no it's more than that they don't
03:14:50.580 know because the whole society has sort of made it hard for them to know i gotta ask you this is
03:14:54.960 a different category but i gotta get this in emf and rf this is like should we be worried about it
03:15:02.600 like wi-fi and bluetooth and and then and so-called dirty electricity coming out of your outlets
03:15:08.560 yeah how big of an issue is it i don't know i don't think that there's a lot of good data i
03:15:13.520 think there's some data that there may be some issues in human biology when you think about it
03:15:17.260 We're electromagnetic beings.
03:15:18.880 You have your heartbeat, your brain waves.
03:15:20.360 We can see those electrical signals.
03:15:23.040 I mean, you know that if you go into certain areas,
03:15:25.400 there's interference with your phone.
03:15:26.700 So the stuff actually we know impacts our electromagnetic system.
03:15:31.260 How it's linked to disease, how bad it is,
03:15:33.840 I think it's very hard to understand or study
03:15:35.580 because you can't do a randomized controlled trial with this.
03:15:38.000 You can't take part.
03:15:38.660 Wouldn't we all be coming down with cancer if exposure to Wi-Fi caused it?
03:15:44.520 Yeah.
03:15:45.360 I mean, everybody.
03:15:46.760 The thing is, we are seeing increasing cancer rates.
03:15:49.760 So people say, oh, heart disease deaths have gone down.
03:15:51.860 Yes, because we have better treatments.
03:15:53.480 But has the incidence gone down?
03:15:55.380 No.
03:15:55.780 We've seen more people with heart disease, more people with cancer, more people with
03:15:59.020 every single chronic disease, Alzheimer's, diabetes, you name it, autoimmune disease,
03:16:03.000 it's getting worse across the board.
03:16:04.540 And so it's multifactorial.
03:16:06.500 It's not just one thing.
03:16:07.680 And could it be a factor?
03:16:08.640 Yeah.
03:16:09.420 Do you think twice about having Wi-Fi in your house?
03:16:12.460 No, I do.
03:16:13.240 But I turn it off in my bedroom.
03:16:14.520 And I noticed this.
03:16:15.960 I mean, this is totally anecdotal, but when I go camping or I'm sleeping outside, like, I sleep better.
03:16:20.900 My whole well-being changes, and it could be nature, it could be a lot of other things, but I always wonder if that, or sometimes even when the power goes out,
03:16:28.280 because, you know, when the power goes out, sometimes it goes out for three or four days, like, wow, I feel a lot better, I sleep better, you know, I mean, it's kind of amazing.
03:16:34.280 So that's anecdotal, but I think it's something we should study.
03:16:38.260 What about that?
03:16:38.780 Well, you see a headline every other day that young people, like people in their 20s, are getting colon cancer at really alarming rates.
03:16:45.040 Yeah, yeah.
03:16:45.380 is that true and do you know why yes 100 true i think the why is a question my view is that it's
03:16:51.720 related to the change in our microbiome from our diet and from the increased load of environmental
03:16:55.880 toxins and and that's probably driving most of it what about antibiotics you know you're talking
03:17:01.300 about the woman with the messed up microbiome and you mentioned you gave her antibiotics i thought 0.90
03:17:04.920 antibiotics caused a bad well they can be good they can be bad so so she had an overgrowth of
03:17:09.540 bacteria called sebo which is small intestinal bacterial overgrowth and she also had sifa which
03:17:14.420 It's a small intestinal fungal overgrowth.
03:17:16.400 So sometimes you need to get rid of the bad guys.
03:17:18.440 Like if you have a parasite,
03:17:19.380 you need an antiparasitic medication. 0.85
03:17:21.600 I would love to get a parasite. 1.00
03:17:23.860 Every woman I know dreams of that. 1.00
03:17:26.220 Yeah, worms for weight loss. 1.00
03:17:27.800 Yeah, exactly.
03:17:29.200 It's our new company, worms for weight loss.
03:17:31.240 No, we used to joke,
03:17:32.220 my hairstylist and I were joking
03:17:33.320 during the COVID pandemic.
03:17:34.400 If Dr. Fauci would just say
03:17:35.680 there's some Ozempic in those COVID vaccines,
03:17:37.640 everybody would get them.
03:17:38.520 Everybody would get them. 1.00
03:17:38.940 Every single woman on earth would be like, 1.00
03:17:40.600 I'll take it, I want all my boosters. 0.65
03:17:42.160 It's true.
03:17:42.860 But you know, antibiotics have a role
03:17:44.360 medicine, but we, you know, we way overuse them. I mean, there's 29 million pounds of antibiotics
03:17:49.260 to use in animal feed to prevent infection from overcrowding. There's about a couple of million
03:17:53.380 that are used for humans for therapy. So that's crazy. Antibiotic resistance, it kills 700,000
03:17:58.080 people a year. It's kind of a big issue and it's a big, big problem. But, you know, for certain
03:18:03.020 indications, for example, like bowel overgrowth, there's specific antibiotics that are not absorbed,
03:18:06.440 that can be taken, that are generally well tolerated, and that you have to then rebuild
03:18:10.680 the gut after so you know you have to how hard is it to rebuild the gut after an antibiotics course
03:18:16.340 uh it's it's not that hard if you take probiotics if you eat healthy diet if you feed your
03:18:22.100 microbiome phytochemicals and fiber it can come back okay yeah um i've been taking this like shot
03:18:30.200 not not for antibiotics just because i was i don't know everybody says it's supposed to be good for
03:18:33.680 of raw, it's like honey,
03:18:37.440 what is it, apple cider vinegar and some lemon. 0.57
03:18:40.240 It is the most disgusting.
03:18:42.560 You take it and you're like, oh, is this important?
03:18:47.000 I mean, it can be good to change the pH in your stomach,
03:18:49.880 but I'm not a big subscriber to that.
03:18:51.960 It's so painful.
03:18:53.560 But I don't really like all that fermented stuff
03:18:55.440 they say that you should eat,
03:18:56.360 like sauerkraut and pickled this and pickled that.
03:18:59.380 I don't know.
03:19:00.520 I don't like this.
03:19:01.520 I'm not having sardines, and I don't love my vinegar drink, and I don't want to eat a bunch of sauerkraut.
03:19:07.500 I do like the yogurt.
03:19:08.100 But yogurt's good, too, right?
03:19:09.600 Can I do that instead of the apple cider vinegar?
03:19:11.400 If it's not industrial yogurt, yes.
03:19:13.520 It's industrial.
03:19:14.380 What do you mean?
03:19:14.760 I mean like factory-formed cows that are pumpable antibiotics, hormones, and it gets into the milk.
03:19:18.940 I don't even know how I found that out.
03:19:20.460 I hadn't even considered that.
03:19:21.280 Well, you can buy organic yogurt.
03:19:23.460 I don't think mine is organic.
03:19:24.540 I've got to go look at that immediately.
03:19:26.200 I hadn't even considered it.
03:19:27.780 Okay, so in sum, we need to detoxify ourselves.
03:19:33.500 We need to detoxify our environment.
03:19:35.680 You mentioned mold.
03:19:36.600 You mentioned lime, all the ultra-processed foods, bio-organic.
03:19:41.400 Yeah, ultra-processed foods.
03:19:42.400 I mean, if you could get a message out that's simple, it's like, you know, if it's a food that you can't recognize or make in your kitchen with the ingredients that you have in your kitchen, you probably shouldn't eat it.
03:19:55.140 Don't eat it.
03:19:55.480 If you don't have butylated hydroxy toluene that you put on your vegetables or you shrink on your steak, don't buy food with it.
03:20:02.340 Yeah.
03:20:02.900 Better safe than sorry.
03:20:03.540 It's almost like you need to get rid of your pantry.
03:20:05.260 I think we need a fridge biopsy for most people, a pantry biopsy, and we need to get rid of the stuff that's harmful.
03:20:10.320 Yeah.
03:20:10.520 And I think that's the thing that most people can do.
03:20:12.660 They can look at their kitchen, go through everything.
03:20:14.960 And I've written a lot about this in my books, but how do you actually have a healthy pantry?
03:20:18.120 How do you get rid of those things that are harmful?
03:20:20.760 And if you go through there and look at the ingredients, if it's stuff you don't recognize, get rid of it.
03:20:24.220 If you can't pronounce it, if it's in Latin, don't eat it.
03:20:27.000 You know, like it has weird ingredients, like maltodextrin.
03:20:29.640 You or your kids.
03:20:30.520 Yeah, or your kids.
03:20:31.140 Yeah, exactly.
03:20:32.000 Yeah.
03:20:32.260 So what you're saying is that my mom serving me wild berry high C with every meal was not exactly the best choice.
03:20:39.720 No, probably not. 0.98
03:20:40.620 Linda!
03:20:41.400 Probably not.
03:20:42.340 This is where we went wrong.
03:20:43.780 That's right.
03:20:44.600 Dr. Mark Hyman, it's a pleasure.
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