00:03:02.220Search technology at Capital One Canada.
00:03:10.380I'm so excited to talk to Dr. Casey Means.
00:03:14.560Now, this book has been out for a couple of months, but I confess I had not heard about it until my pal Tucker Carlson had Casey Means on his show.
00:03:24.180And then I listened almost with bated breath to the interview.
00:03:28.800I could not believe some of the things I was hearing.
00:03:31.620Some I had heard before, but they were expanded on in very easy to digest ways.
00:03:35.980And by the way, speaking of Tucker Carlson, I was with him last night in Kansas City, Missouri.
00:03:39.840And we had just a chat on this sort of open tour he's doing with a bunch of folks across several cities, and it was super fun.
00:03:48.140I think he'll be dropping that as a podcast today, if memory serves.
00:03:51.740But I'll just want to say before we get started, what a great way for two, like, ex-cable newsers, right, ex-TV newsers to get back together on our own terms as independent broadcasters and be able to talk about anything.
00:04:12.240It's just more validation that I'm in the right lane, and I think you guys know that.
00:04:17.180And to those of you who actually spent money and got in cars and got in planes and got yourselves to Kansas City last night to listen, thank you so much.
00:04:26.480I just, that takes a lot of effort, and I was very touched by the big turnout.
00:04:30.840It was wonderful to meet some of the people who listen to and watch this show every day in person and hug you and to hold each other, depending on the level of emotionality.
00:04:42.320and it did vary and shake hands and hear what motivates you in your own life, what you care
00:04:47.480about. So thank you. Thanks to all of you, whether you were there or not, I appreciate you listening
00:04:51.800to the show. Okay. So I love you so much that I'm going to extend your life today. I literally feel
00:04:58.360like Casey Means has extended my life. This book, good energy. You can see it's got all my
00:05:04.560highlights on it. It's pretty, isn't it? It's got a nice cover, good energy. And I also listened to
00:05:10.100the audio book because, you know, that's how I consume most of my books these days. And that
00:05:15.480other interview with Tucker that I just mentioned. And now today we're going to expand on some of the
00:05:19.900things I learned, which I will help short form so we can move things along and get to some very
00:05:25.020practical advice. That's my hope that you can walk away today saying, maybe I can't do all 20
00:05:30.240things, right? But maybe I can do five. And these small changes can make all the difference in your
00:05:36.920life. And five is a start. In a year, maybe you will have done 10. And in two years, maybe you
00:05:43.720will have done 20. But let's get it started because Casey Means, along with her brother Callie, have
00:05:49.460been sounding the alarm for us all about America's health crisis. They're really kind of responsible
00:05:56.400for the Make America Healthy Again movement spearheaded by RFKJ. Callie has been advising
00:06:00.960RFKJ. And Casey is his brilliant surgeon sister, who is author of this New York Times bestseller,
00:06:10.740Good Energy, The Surprising Connection Between Metabolism and Limitless Health. And she joins
00:06:18.560me for the full show today. Casey, welcome to the show. Megan, thank you. Oh, the pleasure's0.52
00:06:52.220We're talking about metabolic health, a word that fortunately we're hearing more about
00:06:56.000these days, but we're talking about how our cells power themselves, which might be something that
00:07:00.960people have never thought about before. And yet, metabolic dysfunction is the root cause of nearly
00:07:07.340every chronic disease torturing American lives today, from childhood all the way into our
00:07:13.440elderly years. So it's a term we've got to get familiar with. And the reason I wrote this book
00:07:18.280is because I had trained in the conventional healthcare system. I'd done what every good
00:07:22.140medical student does, rise the ranks of that academic ladder, went to Stanford Medical School,
00:07:26.500did five years of head and neck surgery training. And at the end of that training, before launching
00:07:33.060out into being a private practice or academic attending physician, I looked around me at what
00:07:41.380was happening in American health more broadly and realized that even though I'm working hard
00:07:46.740in my lane as an ear, nose and throat surgeon, more broadly, American health is just getting
00:07:51.640destroyed. It's getting destroyed. Chronic illness is exploding across the lifespan.
00:07:57.540And that's not something that I really learned about in medical school. I didn't learn about,
00:08:02.000you know, why are these diseases going up? What are the factors that have changed recently in
00:08:06.260human history that are making us have this explosion of chronic disease? And that's a
00:08:11.400journey that I needed to go on before really launching out. And when I did that, what I found
00:08:16.000was that when you look at the science through the lens of root causes, not just the symptoms we're
00:08:20.760treating, not just the drugs that we need, you know, to prescribe to all of these different
00:08:24.820ailments that we have. When we look at root causes, what we find is that nearly every chronic
00:08:29.440disease torturing American lives today is rooted in metabolic dysfunction. And that is an issue
00:08:34.040with how our bodies literally power themselves. So that's what I'm talking about with good energy.
00:08:38.260When our cells make good energy, i.e. have good metabolic health, so many of the conditions that
00:08:44.360are plaguing us can improve. And so that needs to be the central focus of our American healthcare
00:08:48.500system. And right now it is the intentional blind spot of the American healthcare system. And so
00:08:54.040that's what this book is, it's all about. And so it covers a lot. It covers the biggest thing is
00:08:59.820food and what we're, you know, and that seems to be the biggest driver of cellular health,
00:09:04.100but it covers some exercise too. And it covers environmental toxins and things that we may be
00:09:08.440putting on our bodies and so on. So it's got the full panoply of things that will affect your
00:09:13.380cells and how you can improve. That's why I say if people feel overwhelmed, they can pick and
00:09:19.280choose and just get started. But I think the food being such a huge influencer is empowering
00:09:25.620because if you're not yet an exerciser, just start thinking about the food. If you don't want
00:09:32.120to think about your shampoo and your makeup and your carpet and all, then just start with the
00:09:37.600thing that you're most actively involved in because everybody's putting food in their mouth
00:09:42.440every day. And these critical changes can genuinely extend lifespan and improve health
00:09:50.580along the way. That's exactly right. The unique thing about this moment in time that we're living
00:09:59.060right now is that our world has radically changed, just exponential rate of change over the past
00:10:05.100hundred or so years with industrialization and urbanization and technological advancement.
00:10:10.940But from a cells perspective, we have 40 trillion cells in our body.
00:10:16.360The world is very different than what it's been expecting through all of human history.
00:10:21.520And so what's really happening with our health being destroyed right now in our country is
00:10:26.300that there is a severe mismatch between what our cells need to thrive and work properly
00:10:31.680and what our environment looks like right now.
00:10:34.060And that's across lots of different domains.
00:10:36.220It's across, of course, food, which I believe is really that number one domain that we've got to get back to the basics because that's really the two to three pounds of molecular information that we put in our mouth every day to tell ourselves basically what to be built from and how to function.
00:10:54.600But we're also talking about sleep habits.
00:10:56.680We're talking about the fact that we are sleeping 20% less than we were 100 years ago, our emotional health, the fact that we have low-grade chronic stress all the time now from these devices in our hands 24 hours a day that are streaming fear-inducing sensationalist news stories from all around the world straight to our eyeballs when we're at the dinner table and when we're in our beds.
00:11:18.840we're talking about the sedentary behavior, the fact that Americans are literally sitting
00:11:23.60080% of the day. We're the only bipedal upright mammals, and yet we choose to lock ourselves in
00:11:28.900a chair for 80% of the day, just squandering the miraculous gift of being able to move.
00:11:32.920We're talking about the environmental toxins. We're talking about the 80,000 plus synthetic
00:11:36.960toxins that have entered our food, water, air, and homes over the past hundred years
00:11:40.700by industry virtually unregulated, many of which are destroying our cellular health.
00:11:44.320We're talking about our relationship with light, the fact that ever since the incandescent light
00:11:49.960ball was invented just a couple hundred years ago, and now at the advent of blue light emitting
00:11:53.280technology, we're literally blasting our retinas with artificial light all the time. And this is
00:12:02.800So these are some of the things that we're dealing with as a body, as a group of cells
00:12:07.740that make up our body that's looking for information from the environment and not
00:12:12.380getting the signal that needs to function. So what the chronic disease epidemic really represents
00:12:16.220is this just sheer and utter confusion of our bodies with the signals that it's getting from
00:12:23.800all around us. And getting back to food, this is the one that, I mean, each of these pillars that
00:12:30.220I'm speaking about has a profound impact on our core cellular health and metabolic health. But
00:12:35.040food, we have to realize we eat somewhere between 40 and 70 metric tons of food in our lifetime.
00:12:42.380And this is not just calories. This is not just energy. This is the building blocks,
00:12:47.040the atomic molecular building blocks of our cells. And what people don't really realize
00:12:52.380is that our cells are actually constantly turning over throughout our lifetime, even though
00:12:56.360we kind of look the same day to day. I'm kind of going to look pretty similar tomorrow that I do
00:13:02.880today. Actually, hundreds of billions of cells are dying and being reborn, and they are re-3D
00:13:07.380printing themselves out of food. Isn't that incredible? We don't think about the body that
00:13:11.920way as a process. So we've got to give the body good information every single day and pay that
00:13:18.600bill of healthy, good food every day because we're constantly, constantly changing over our
00:13:25.500body. Our gut lining, our entire skin cells completely turns over every few weeks. So we've
00:13:30.960got to constantly be feeding the body with good information. Right now, 70% of our calories are
00:13:37.080coming from ultra-processed, industrially manufactured, frankenfood, ultra-processed
00:13:42.340foods, devoid of nutrients, filled with toxic additives, a modern invention created by food
00:13:47.820scientists in the past 50 years that now make up the majority of our calories. Of course, we're
00:13:52.260sick. We are eating 70% of that molecular information that builds our body from essentially
00:13:56.960garbage that does not have what our cells need to function. So that's why food is so important.
00:14:01.860But the second piece is also that food is what tells our genes and our cell signaling pathways
00:14:06.900what to do. We think of our genes as our destiny. It's not true. Our genes are a blueprint and how
00:14:14.040those genes interact with the environment is what our outcomes are. And food is one of those
00:14:17.960key things that changes our genetic expression. I'll give you a simple example that I talk about
00:14:22.460in the book. You look at a herb like turmeric. It has thousands of molecular compounds in it that
00:14:28.480the earth and that the soil has made for us to help our genes and our cell signaling function
00:14:33.880properly. And one of those is curcumin. Curcumin actually goes into our cells. It binds to proteins
00:14:39.460within the cells and changes the expression, decreases the expression of our key inflammatory
00:14:44.700pathway, which is called NF kappa B. So you're eating this food and you're actually turning the
00:14:49.400knob down on inflammatory pathway that drives disease. And we could talk about any natural
00:14:55.180food in this way filled with thousands of chemical compounds, natural from the earth,
00:14:59.180from God to help us live our highest purpose life. And we, instead of using that precious gift with
00:15:06.120real unprocessed food from good soil, that's filled with nutrients, we have decided that food
00:15:12.240is nothing more than calories. And it doesn't matter if we eat nutrient devoid ultra processed
00:15:17.700food from a factory for 70% of our calories. Well, this is a science experiment that has failed.
00:15:22.240Americans are just absolutely getting astronomically ill and food is a key piece of that.
00:15:27.340And, you know, unfortunately, there's a lot of systems issues that lead to why we have become enamored with ultra processed foods because of so many incentives at the level of the farm bill and at the level of how media is funded that essentially make us believe that ultra processed foods are fine and normal when in fact they are not.
00:15:47.480Well, we, I am old enough to have lived through the moment in time when the messaging changed from what's bad for you is sugary foods and fatty foods are fine to fat is the problem.
00:16:09.340I mean, it wasn't that long ago, I guess 20 years ago, that I actually thought a healthy snack would be one of those packs of snack well cookies.
00:16:26.140And but one of the illuminating points of the book is that I thought that and many others think this way because we've been led to believe we've been defrauded by virtually every person in charge of every industry that touches the food that arrives in our kitchen.
00:16:45.120Yeah. Yeah, this is the unfortunate part that I think people really do need to understand because people do actually listen to the science. You know, we do listen to doctors in this country. When the USDA food pyramid said, eat six to 11 servings of grains and cereals per day, we did it. We got very sick, but we did it. When Fauci said, get the jab, the majority of Americans did it.
00:17:09.960We do listen to doctors, but unfortunately, at the highest level of our medical institutions, there are conflicts of interest and corruption that are actually making the science that we're getting not as accurate, not as clean as we'd want it to be.
00:17:25.180So you look at some examples, NIH, taxpayer-funded institution that we would ostensibly believe
00:17:32.020its sole interest is to keep Americans healthy.
00:17:35.480But 80% of NIH researchers have a conflict of interest with industry, so are getting
00:17:43.020paid also by processed food industry, pharmaceutical industry.
00:17:47.360There was a report that came out that 8,000 NIH-funded researchers have a major conflict
00:17:53.160of interest with industry. So we would assume that would just be clean, clean money from the
00:18:00.360NIH, from taxpayers with a singular goal of American health. But in fact, it ends up becoming
00:18:06.280a PR arm to do scientific research that's mostly focused on pharmaceutical interventions and our
00:18:12.660standard conventional model of care, which is very reactive and very sick care and not focused on
00:18:18.340root causes. Then you go to the USDA. Just to jump in on that, Casey, just to jump in on that. So
00:18:22.340So basically you're saying with the like the FDA or the NIH, the people who are looking at our food and what's OK and what's not OK suffer from the same conflict as the FDA did on in dope sick as as evidenced by that movie,
00:18:36.340where the opioid industry got going because the people who are deciding whether that could be safe and marketed as non addictive or whatever the initial disclaimers were, they're on the take.
00:18:46.680they either are getting money from these drug companies, or in the case of the food industry,
00:18:51.020these big food manufacturers, or they're banking on joining those companies immediately after
00:18:58.060their government stint is over. Right, right. I mean, you see this all the time with the revolving
00:19:03.500door between FDA commissioner and then pharmaceutical company right after they finish.
00:19:08.920Got Gottlieb, FDA, straight to Pfizer. It's just back and forth. But it's across every
00:19:14.260single industry. So NIH, we've got 8,000 major conflicts of interest in researchers. FDA,
00:19:19.340we've got 75% of the FDA's drug budget coming from pharma, not taxpayers. USDA, we've got 95%
00:19:28.320of the people who made the USDA Food Guidelines for America, which come out every five years,
00:19:33.560so from 2000 to 2025, had major conflicts of interest with the processed food industry.
00:19:38.880You look at medical schools, you've got medical schools receiving huge multimillion dollar grants
00:20:38.140as first-line treatment for childhood obesity,
00:20:40.760GLP-1 agonist injections, weekly injections for kids, Ozempic. And so you just look at every
00:20:49.040single layer of our government agencies, how doctors are taught and who's making the guidelines
00:20:54.660and the money is astronomical, what's going in from industry. And that's of course going to cloud
00:21:01.620the way research is done and how we even think about health in the body. So I, as a medical
00:21:06.380student and all my peers who go into medical school to, with this very noble intent to help
00:21:13.140people and to improve children's health, improve American health. We go to these elite institutions
00:21:19.700with just wanting to work our butts off. What happens? You enter a curriculum where the science
00:21:26.880is conflicted. The science that you're seeing at its most foundational level has conflict of
00:21:31.020interest where the school has been funded by pharmaceutical industry. You know, the medical
00:21:36.800school is not getting funded by big kale or big exercise. They're being funded by big pharma and
00:21:42.160where the guidelines that you have to learn and memorize and practice by also have a conflict of
00:21:47.340interest. So what you get is all these doctors who, you know, we start, you start medical school
00:21:52.980around age 21, 22, you're young and you know, you're, you're, you're deeply, um, deeply trusting
00:21:59.920of this system, right? But what you see is that the body is a hundred separate parts. You see that
00:22:06.220what your path is going to be is to go through four years of medical school and then pick one
00:22:10.800of a hundred different surgical or medical subspecialties that you're going to focus on
00:22:14.080just one little part of the body. You see that really what a disease is, is a collection of,
00:22:19.900you know, uh, symptoms and signs. And you don't really think about disease until it gets to that
00:22:25.000place. And then you just need to, you know, figure out what the symptoms are, label the disease and
00:22:29.100prescribe a medication or do a surgery, you don't think about proactive health. You don't think
00:22:32.660about root cause health. You don't think about environmental factors because that's not what
00:22:36.320being taught. And then you go into your practice and you're getting pressure from everyone around
00:22:40.640you, from the administrative staff, the bureaucrats and the billers to basically see as many patients
00:22:46.320as you possibly can because you are paid by volume, which further insidiously pushes you to
00:22:54.260not think about root causes, how to really reverse or prevent disease because that takes a long time,
00:22:58.840right? That takes long conversations with the patient. What's easier, what's faster is to see
00:23:03.380the patient, label their signs and symptoms as a disease, and then give them a drug or send them
00:23:07.720for surgery. That's what's fast. And since we have this system, this incentive structure in
00:23:12.700American healthcare that's focused on volume, how many patients can I see per week? The outcomes is
00:23:20.940not really the thing that we're focused on. So you're taking these incredible, great, bright,
00:23:24.820young minds and putting them into a system that at every level has conflicts that's pushing us
00:23:32.220to see the body as a collection of separate parts that's inevitable to get disease and
00:23:37.160that your job as a doctor is to label that disease and give it a pill or a surgery. And that,
00:23:42.940that unfortunately is where we're at and why doctors, um, even with the best intentions are
00:23:48.520not focused on root causes. There's no incentive to do so. And there's little education.
00:23:52.440I think about it sometimes with respect to the very, very wealthy people I know. I'm talking billionaire wealthy. I don't know that many of them, but I know some. And they all live into their 90s. Now, how do they do that? It's because they have an individual doctor who's on staff or constantly available to them.
00:24:10.300I mean, take the most extreme case, Queen Elizabeth, right?
00:26:17.980If that doesn't kind of rip you out of your slumber, I don't know what will.
00:26:23.140And so it's not for a lack of medication, right?
00:26:26.640We're prescribing medications just more and more.
00:26:29.900The more statins we prescribe, the more heart disease we're getting.
00:26:32.940The more Ozempic we're prescribing, the more obesity rates are going up.
00:26:36.000The more SSRIs we're prescribing, the more people have depression.
00:26:40.020You know, it's not correlating with the amount of drugs.
00:26:44.260So there's something else going on that's insidious, that's environmental.
00:26:47.560And like you say, people who are aware of what's going on are doing essentially everything
00:26:53.180they can to protect their bodies from the normal inputs that you are going to be exposed to if
00:27:00.060you're just living in america day today all of these invisible threats around i'm so annoyed
00:27:04.860listening to this because i know you guys are tight with rfkj and i know callie this is an
00:27:08.980interesting uh piece of your story callie's your brother and i've been following him for years on
00:27:13.700twitter and watching him and listening to his expertise as well but i know he's connected with
00:27:18.700RFKJ and helped him come up with Maha and that, you know, you guys have been doing some input
00:27:23.360there. But here's what's so infuriating. RFKJ has been raising some of these issues for a long time.
00:27:28.800He's an environmental lawyer. He's an environmental lawyer at heart. That's how he actually made his
00:27:33.140living. And Casey, no sooner did he pop up and say like, I don't know about these vaccines.
00:27:39.760Forget COVID vaccine long before that. Like I were pumping these babies through a lot with a
00:27:44.060lot of shots at a very early age and they don't really need this stuff. And so, and then his
00:27:48.200warnings went well beyond vaccines. He came on this show a couple of years ago and said,
00:27:52.360you know, why, where do all the ticks come from? Why is autism shooting up? Like all these things
00:27:57.580and nobody would platform him at all. They decided he was part of the so-called disinformation dozen.
00:28:04.880That was the Biden white house. He was totally silenced on raising the alarm on a lot of these
00:28:11.440same issues because there really are. And you sound like a conspiracy theorist when you're like
00:28:16.980the powerful forces are silencing him. No, they actually were because they really do have
00:28:22.920financial skin in keeping him and probably you and Callie quiet.
00:28:30.240Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it really, this all comes back to money, unfortunately. And
00:28:35.300when you realize that around 60% of mainstream media's advertising funding is coming from the
00:28:43.700pharmaceutical industry. I mean, you can't watch five minutes of commercials on TV without seeing
00:28:48.160a medication commercial. And you realize that the funny thing is that these companies that are
00:28:56.060paying that much to have the ad spots on mainstream media, they're not actually really
00:29:01.320trying to advertise to you, the consumer. They're trying to get a direct line of communication to
00:29:07.180the media companies so that they can have an impact on the message that goes out that makes
00:29:11.700our news. That's a key point, is that it's not about getting you to talk to your doctor about
00:29:17.300Ozempic. It's about having a direct line of communication to the media network so they can
00:29:22.160have more control over what is said and who is platformed. And this is why the emergence of
00:29:27.840independent media is one of the most disruptive and exactly what you're doing, right? It's the
00:29:32.560most disruptive and powerful force right now in the world. Because what you see is that
00:29:39.600when you look at independent media that are getting hundreds of millions of downloads per
00:29:46.100month, what are they talking about? Root cause health, the dietary and lifestyle factors like
00:29:52.780getting sunshine and taking supplements and eating real food and regenerative agriculture.
00:29:57.700This is what's being talked about on independent media when we're not in a chokehold from the
00:30:02.860advertisers to talk about a specific dogmatic narrative about that pharmaceuticals are the
00:30:07.960only way to be healthy. And so I think that's very, very heartening. And, you know, I think
00:30:14.800we're in a really interesting moment right now where post-COVID, which was just the probably
00:30:19.920the worst public policy disaster in human history, where COVID was really fundamentally
00:30:27.180a metabolic disease. People, we died at much higher rates than other countries that had better
00:30:31.900metabolic health. This virus went after people who were immunocompromised because of metabolic
00:30:37.280disease. This is why people with comorbidities were dying of COVID and people who were otherwise
00:30:42.060healthy really weren't and children were dying at much lower rates. And people saw that despite
00:30:47.880knowing that from month two, month three of the pandemic, that this was a virus that went after
00:30:52.780people who were compromised from lifestyle related and food related diseases, metabolic disease,
00:30:57.260that zero airtime and zero information coming from our federal agencies in charge for health had
00:31:02.500anything to do with improving our metabolic health, I think it created a crack where people
00:31:07.260realize that there's a bigger problem here. So just to get back to what you were saying about
00:31:11.080RFK, you know, I think there's a moment right now where there's been some distrust that has
00:31:16.340been bred in the agencies and the healthcare system. Also costs are going up for everything
00:31:21.960with inflation. And right now our healthcare costs, our premiums in the United States are
00:31:26.060astronomical. The number one cause of bankruptcy in the United States is medical costs. So people
00:31:30.860are feeling it in a new, different, and poignant way. And I think we're also seeing this inflection
00:31:36.880point with how health even got worse after COVID through the lockdowns and other factors. Kids are
00:31:41.980really suffering. We've got 34% of kids with a behavioral, mental, or emotional disorder. We've
00:31:46.560got one in 36 kids in the United States with autism, one in 22 in California. We've got ADHD
00:31:51.300skyrocketing. We've got young adult cancer skyrocketing. We've got pre-diabetes and
00:31:54.920teens reaching 30%. We've got 52% of children overweight or obese. So there's a confluence of
00:32:03.060factors, I think, that are happening that are making this the moment where this is finally
00:32:07.760making it to the mainstream, which is really, really exciting. But this is why
00:32:13.720the concept of freedom of speech and what Elon's talking about and what RFK is talking about and
00:32:21.340this idea of all the gaslighting that's happening around misinformation from the social media
00:32:28.000companies, X excluded and mainstream media, this is why that issue is actually so important and
00:32:35.100why that issue needs to be thought about in lockstep with the healthcare crisis. Because
00:32:41.480if we start silencing the people who are able to use the disruption of independent media to
00:32:48.180get these messages out, that's when we're screwed. People say, are you hopeful? And I say, I am
00:32:53.360hopeful because this is able to be talked about in our beautiful country where we can have
00:32:57.800discourse. But if that gets threatened, then I think it becomes a much scarier place.
00:33:04.920To me, it's not totally dissimilar from, just to bring it to the current news cycle,
00:33:08.520what's happened in the past few days after the debate. It was placed in the hands of the
00:33:12.600mainstream media. We had fake news fact checks on statements that were absolutely true by Donald
00:33:18.560Trump. Kamala Harris was allowed to get away with lie after lie with no fact checks, no interruptions,0.96
00:33:23.140no follow ups. And the Internet melted down after watching it because we knew in our guts it was0.59
00:33:28.040wrong. It was unfair. We knew. And so we've had three days now of fact checkers all over the
00:33:33.680Internet, citizen journalists, you know, independent journalists firing off tweet after tweet on X,
00:33:40.920You know, showing the video of Kamala Harris's positions, which she denied, showing the FBI stats on crime are false that were cited by David Muir, things like that.
00:33:51.480And so this independent voice, this collective of the voices to make one strong counterbalance voice, is correcting the record and changing the national conversation and the national knowledge and maybe even the national vote.
00:34:05.180And the same thing is now happening in health care, which is far more important.
00:38:25.360We are spending more on this problem in a way that is not fixing the problem than almost
00:38:31.920any other line item in the American budget. Taxpayers are paying for it and it's not being
00:38:38.440talked about. So everyone really needs to realize that this is this is not a fringe issue. It is
00:38:45.160not something that, you know, it's just an accident that we're ignoring. We are actively
00:38:49.600ignoring this at every level of our government agencies and media. And that needs to stop
00:38:56.580immediately. OK, so the first thing we're going to take up, I'll take a quick break, but we're
00:39:01.300going to talk about three of the demons, sugar, ultra processed foods, and foods that you think
00:39:08.740are healthy, but which are covered in pesticides. You get your big leafy lettuce salad and you dive
00:39:15.160right in without worrying about whether it's organic or not. And you may be doing far more
00:39:19.680harm than good. We're going to pick it up with a specific food discussion, and then we'll move on
00:39:23.440to some of the other toxins that are around us and ways to clean our bodies and our lives right
00:39:29.200after this. Casey States with us for the full show. Again, the book is Good Energy by Casey
00:39:33.660Means, MD. Okay. So Casey, I did the tease before the break. That's a very short form summary of
00:39:40.680what you're recommending on the health front, but put in your own words in terms of the massive
00:39:45.100overhauls to eating that are required. At the highest level, we need to move away from ultra
00:39:50.780processed foods and start eating real foods, unprocessed foods that are grown in good soil,
00:39:58.300ideally local, and not covered in the toxic, invisible pesticides that are
00:40:02.800literally covering 99% of the foods we're eating in the United States. So it's a move away from
00:40:08.400this factory-made food back to natural food. That's number one. I mean, when we get more
00:40:13.040specific in there, we want to be eating foods that actually support our cellular and our metabolic
00:40:18.020health so that allow ourselves to have the molecules they need to function properly.
00:40:22.600Because right now, all the chronic diseases that I talked about, they are all rooted in the exact same thing, which is dysfunctional cellular biology, largely rooted in this issue of metabolic dysfunction that can be very much improved by giving cells the nutrients they need from food to function properly.
00:40:40.320So in the book, I talk about really five things that we should try to look for in food and include in almost every meal.
00:40:50.120And I call them the five elements of good energy eating.
00:40:53.040And this is making sure that in most of our meals, we have a fiber source.
00:48:23.680And you're sounding a very different alarm.
00:48:25.900So would you say that if it's a fruit or a vegetable, if it comes out of the earth, either from the actual earth or from a tree, et cetera, it has to be organic?
00:48:38.880I know we have to go to break, but I think my short answer would be it is absolutely beneficial for it to be organic.
00:48:46.340And we need to be implementing the precautionary principle when we think about organic or non-organic food, which is that even though the data may be muddied in large part because the industries that make these pesticides like Bayer Monsanto have a huge interest in making us confused about whether they're safe, we know that a lot of these pesticides are linked to cancer, autoimmune disease, behavioral issues, endocrine disruption and hormone disruption.
00:49:16.340And so for me, thinking about the fact that 6 billion pounds of synthetic pesticides are
00:49:22.960sprayed in our food system every year and chronic disease rates are skyrocketing and
00:49:28.160there is mechanistic evidence of why, I certainly feel that it is important to choose foods
00:49:34.920that don't have those toxic supplements on them.
00:49:40.200And then when you get those foods home, those organic foods, do you have some special washing
00:49:45.780technique for them? You know, I personally, I just do a quick rinse of my food, but that's
00:49:53.240because I'm actually now buying food from all farmers that I know. So when I go to the farmer's
00:50:00.200market, you know, I am getting it from the Apricot Lane farm stand. I have been to Apricot
00:50:06.400Lane farms. I know Molly Chester who runs that farm. I get my meat from White Oak Pastures. I1.00
00:50:12.100know Will Harris, who owns White Oak Pastures in Bluffton, Georgia. I get my meat from Primal
00:50:17.100Pastures. See, this is so much easier if you, oh, wait, no, so he's in Georgia because you're in
00:50:20.520Oregon, aren't you? I'm in California, but you can get these things shipped now. Hold that thought.
00:50:26.660That's a good tease. I'm going to take my break. We're picking it up right there. This is where
00:50:30.300we're getting down to brass tacks. How exactly should we eat and how do we get the good food?
00:50:35.600The book is called Good Energy. Hi, Steve Ballmer here. You know, people disagree about a lot in
00:50:41.440this country. Taxes, health care, education. But wherever you land politically, I think most of us
00:50:47.420agree on this. Better information leads to better decisions. That's the mission of USAFacts, to make
00:50:53.540government data clear, accessible, and understandable. Because public data plays a bigger role in our
00:50:59.220lives than most people realize. Government data helps determine where funding goes, how communities
00:51:04.340prepare for disasters, which schools, hospitals, and local programs need support. It helps businesses
00:51:10.000plan, journalists report, and voters understand what's really happening in the country. And
00:51:14.700whether we think about it or not, we rely on this data every single day. That's why supporting
00:51:19.620public data matters, not for Democrats, not for Republicans, for everybody. Because public data
00:51:25.120should be easy to access, trust, and understand, so we can use it to make informed decisions. If
00:51:30.320you believe trustworthy public data matters too, join us. Read and sign our open letter at
00:51:35.380USA facts.org. The data we depend on. I'm Megan Kelly. Every day on the Megan Kelly show,
00:51:41.140we bring you the news. And this summer we're bringing you something extra. Before I was a
00:51:45.580journalist, I was a lawyer. I've spent 20 plus years now covering crime and the law. So I built
00:51:51.600a true crime series that I always wanted to listen to. We're calling it MK Confidential.
00:51:56.860And there we cover cases that you've heard about, like JonBenet Ramsey, Chandra Levy,
00:52:01.460the DC Snipers, Scott Peterson, and some that you haven't. One case per week, five episodes,
00:52:08.460Monday through Friday. New episodes every weeknight. Search for The Megyn Kelly Show
00:52:12.420wherever you listen to podcasts and you will find MK Confidential. Casey, we were talking about
00:52:18.260what specifically, like how do you get your beef? Because I will tell you, like a frustration of
00:52:22.660mine here in Connecticut, and you would think in Connecticut, there'd be farms everywhere.
00:52:26.580There really aren't. It's very hard to find a farmer's market or actually glad hand with
00:52:31.380an actual farmer. So you're limited to the whole foods, but the whole foods is really not that
00:52:37.740great. It's not exactly whole. So you were giving us some options for people like me who don't have
00:52:45.000a farmer down the road. Yeah. So I think when it comes to meat, there are some great frozen
00:52:51.400options today. Freezing is actually a great way to preserve nutrients in both fresh produce and
00:52:57.100also in meats. If foods are frozen right at the time of harvesting or slaughter, they retain
00:53:05.140more nutrients than if they are just left at ambient temperature. So, you know, now there's
00:53:10.720a lot of great services that you can order regenerative, grass-fed, organic meat from
00:53:15.400around the country and have it shipped to you. Force of Nature is a great brand that, you know,
00:53:18.840is in Whole Foods. And like I mentioned, you know, ordering from a regenerative farm like
00:53:23.820white oak pastures, um, you know, and, and many others, it's, it's a great option today now that
00:53:29.960we're able to, to ship. Um, and then I would say for people who are trying to find organic produce,
00:53:36.760if you don't have anything fresh near you, that's where I think getting a lot of, you know, frozen
00:53:41.260produce like from Costco or places like that, or even Walmart has quite a bit of organic selection
00:53:46.800today. Um, those are good options. Farmer's market is ideal because if you're speaking to
00:53:52.120a farmer and you know that food was harvested recently, it's likely going to have the highest
00:53:56.360nutrient composition because it's traveled less. And so that's ideal if you can. And really just
00:54:02.500making it a family event. This should be something we do with our families. We should get kids
00:54:06.360talking to farmers interested in food early. And so Googling, trying to find a farmer's market
00:54:11.660near you, and then walking around and just speaking to the people growing your food and
00:54:14.940learn how it's done. I mean, this is really something we need to get back in touch with.
00:54:18.880Yeah. Um, fortunately I live in Southern California, so we have some great produce
00:54:24.140here around, but yeah, yeah. So, um, well, there's a few options. I mean, certainly again,
00:54:30.020frozen food, um, you know, buying some of the dry staples in, in bulk, like something like beans
00:54:36.100and legumes and, and, you know, nuts and seeds and those things, um, are less perishable. Um,
00:54:42.400there's, and then I think, you know, frozen companies, there's like daily harvest, which
00:54:48.020can get you organic frozen food direct to your home. And then I would also say there's actually
00:54:52.940some really unique options you can do, like growing your own food indoors. I have a product
00:54:57.420called a lettuce grow in my house, which is a vertical indoor farming system. Yeah. And we're
00:55:02.180growing food all the time in our kitchen. How, how, how much room does this take? I want,
00:55:07.460tell me everything. I did once interview Elon Musk's brother who is doing this kind of thing.
00:55:11.960He's big into indoor farming. So I've, I know a little bit, but keep going to explain this.
00:55:15.700And yeah, you know, I mean, compared to like regenerative agriculture in the soil, it's, it's, it's different, you know, because you're, you're not growing it in like the ground, you're growing it in a vertical farming towel, tower. So mine has 36 slots and you stick a little sprout in each slot. And over the course of one to two months, you get a gigantic head of lettuce, a gigantic head of cauliflower, broccoli, tomatoes, herbs. And so you can actually grow these indoor year round.
00:55:43.960So when I lived in Bend, Oregon, and it was snowy for four or five months a year, I was actually
00:55:48.380growing all sorts of produce in my kitchen and in my office. And it basically cycles water through
00:55:53.780a tower and can grow it with very, very little energy. So unfortunately, the price point of
00:55:59.160these are still a little bit high. But I think it's amazing how much it gets you back in touch
00:56:04.720with the miracle of how food is grown. And it's kind of like a gateway, growing a little bit of
00:56:10.000your own food, even if it's herbs, is almost like a gateway drug to getting to be more inspired by
00:56:15.820sourcing a food. 100%. I mean, I know that even from my own lame little garden at the beach where
00:56:21.820we just did the typical cucumbers and tomatoes, but suddenly it was like, oh wow, our own food,
00:56:27.460it had no pesticides on it. It was grown right outside of our home. It tasted delicious. And we
00:56:32.600did notice the difference. The pesticides, you know, I, you know, Dr. Mark Sisson, he's not a
00:56:37.000Dr. Mark Sisson. He's behind Primal Kitchen brand, which is amazing. And I know you must love.
00:56:43.080He said on the show, he's very leery now of fruits and vegetables. He's very worried about
00:56:51.320the number of pesticides on your average fruit and vegetable. And he's very, I don't know if
00:56:56.300he's full paleo on all the meats and so on, but he was leaning that direction more and more.
00:57:02.500What are your thoughts on that? Because you do have some interesting conclusions on diet
00:57:05.780and like the various diets that are out there and so on?
00:57:09.720Yeah, you know, I think that we do need to have a bigger conversation
00:57:14.680about pesticides in this country because it's just so unchecked.
00:57:18.900When we think about the companies that are making pesticides in the U.S.,
00:57:23.200we are buying a lot of these chemicals straight from China
00:57:25.800and straight from Germany and two American companies.
00:57:29.800One of the largest merger ever in Germany was the merger of Bayer Monsanto,
00:57:34.260So a pharmaceutical company, an agrochemical company that are now teaming up.
00:57:38.720And what's so devastatingly, I don't even want to use that word ironic because it trivializes
00:57:43.980how serious this is, but Bayer-Monsanto, Bayer makes pharmaceuticals to treat non-Hodgics
00:57:51.020lymphoma and glyphosate, which is made by Monsanto, has strong links and mechanistic
00:57:58.920links to the development of non-Hodgics lymphoma.
00:58:02.540And it's almost like a revolving door between a merger of a company that creates a product that's virtually unregulated in our country that leads to cancer and then has merged with a company that creates a treatment for that cancer.
00:58:13.100So that's the type of darkness that we're seeing in the pesticide industry.
00:58:15.980And, you know, ChemChina, that makes a huge amount of pesticides we buy, we're just funneling billions of dollars towards China to basically sell us chemicals that are invisibly poisoning our food.
00:58:25.140And these pesticides, if you look at the scientific links to diseases, we know that pesticides are linked to ADHD, to thyroid disease, to sperm dysfunction, female infertility, male infertility, cancer, autism, liver disease.
00:58:38.180The list goes on, on, and on, and that they actually poison the part of our cell that does metabolic activity, which is the mitochondria.
00:58:45.020People remember from high school biology, the mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell.
00:58:48.580It's the key part of the cell that's involved in metabolic health, and it is damaged by
00:58:52.980pesticides, of which 99% of American foods are grown non-organically, so are using these
00:58:58.800synthetic pesticides, which have a link, wildly, to Nazi Germany, who was developing organophosphate
00:59:07.000pesticides as part of their war effort to increase yields to feed German soldiers.
00:59:11.920And so it's just a very, very dark link.
00:59:14.180there's been a lot of corruption in that data the monsanto papers was this scandal that came out
00:59:19.360years ago about monsanto essentially um you know working to silence the the data and massage the
00:59:27.000data that said that pesticides are safe um and then you look at how this sort of you know how
00:59:32.920this is happening on the systemic level well we have a farm bill that's renewed every five years
00:59:38.260And this is a $500 billion-plus bill that is used to help support farmers with crop insurance and subsidies for commodity crop growth.
00:59:50.220But unfortunately, what this $500 billion bill does is it funds the commodity crops that are turned to ultra-processed foods.
00:59:58.720So corn, wheat, soy, sugar, beets, things like that, which then become the cheapest possible commodities on the market because taxpayers have funded the subsidies, which then gives a cheap, basically raw material to all the ultra processed food companies to then turn into these ultra processed garbage foods that are built on the backbone of commodity crops.
01:00:22.440Then they add in toxic colorings and natural flavors and dough conditioners and preservatives to make it taste like food, but really it's built on this bland, taxpayer-funded, pesticide-covered commodity crop through our farm bill.
01:00:37.980So at the policy level, this is how it gets on our plates, and this is why the unhealthy food is cheaper, because taxpayers are paying for it to be subsidized to be cheaper.
01:00:46.060And then taxpayers are paying for the environmental externalities from this destructive type of agriculture and for the health care costs of Americans who are getting sick because of this food.
01:00:55.680So we're paying we're paying four times over for the unhealthy food that is making us sick.
01:01:00.960And the the devastating part, you know, because it's it's not necessarily, you know, the farmers who are responsible for our health.
01:01:07.200It's the doctors who are there to help us on our health.
01:01:09.420But this is the part that's devastating is that there's a devil's bargain that exists right now between ultra processed food who wants to make food as cheap and addictive as possible.
01:01:17.420So we'll buy more and the health care industry that benefits off of financially benefits off more patients being sick with chronic illnesses and needing treatment over longer periods of time.
01:01:27.380You would think that doctors would be in the front of the line to be studying what pesticides and plastics and microplastics and artificial colorings and preservatives in our food are doing to our chronic illness.
01:01:37.920But have you ever heard, you know, someone in the Fauci realm getting up and talking about these things on a microphone saying we have to investigate our foods of life? No. It's someone like RFKJ, who's then being silenced for talking about these things and, you know, being called a fringe lunatic for bringing these things up.
01:01:54.420And so there's something very dark and backwards around the incentives between these two of the largest industries in the country that unfortunately, and this is an unemotional statement of fact, benefit from more Americans being addicted to taxpayer-subsidized ultra-processed foods filled with toxic additives and a healthcare industry that benefits from more patients having chronic disease over a longer period of time.
01:02:16.320That brings me to seed oils, which I really want to discuss.
01:02:19.160But before I get there, I want to just say the conclusion that I reached from reading the book on the number of diets, the kinds of diets, whether it's keto or paleo or Mediterranean.
01:02:28.480And what I think, you correct me if I'm wrong about your conclusion, because I've been reading a lot of you, so I may have confused it.
01:02:33.100But I think you reached basically the same conclusion that Peter Attia reached and that he espoused on our show, which was he said he's come to the conclusion that it doesn't really matter which one of those you choose that you shouldn't be choosing.
01:02:45.340too rigid. But what does matter is the things you're talking about, eating real whole foods,
01:02:51.440no sugar, no added sugar. We're not talking about the sugar that naturally occurs in like a raspberry,
01:02:55.660but like the added sugar, avoiding seed oils, trying to at least limit, ideally eliminate
01:03:02.100alcohol, those kinds of things. But do you have the same conclusion just on, you know,
01:03:06.720eat kind of the general plan you want, but make sure you follow these guidelines.
01:03:09.980Yeah. We have to realize that the diet wars are a charade. Diet controversy is intended to confuse
01:03:18.380us so that as consumers, we're spinning our wheels and not sure what to eat and grasping
01:03:23.500for different solutions sold to us by marketers and the food industry. We are being distracted
01:03:29.960from what matters, which is that the vast majority of American calories and the foods that are being
01:03:35.480gavage down kids throats is pesticide covered plastic filled chemical laden science experiment
01:03:44.240food from a factory that is destroying our cellular health so step one two three four five
01:03:49.960is to get off ultra processed foods before even talking about a dietary philosophy so that's
01:03:57.780number one the second piece and you know and you know just look at the world there are so many
01:04:02.840different traditional types of diets all over the world with different macronutrient compositions
01:04:06.840and different types of foods that people are eating. And we are designed as humans to have
01:04:14.560all these redundant pathways in our body that can use different types of foods to generate cellular
01:04:18.600health. But the common denominator between a carnivore diet that leads someone to improve
01:04:24.180their metabolic health and a vegan diet that leads someone to improve their metabolic health
01:04:27.720is real, unprocessed, clean food. So there's more commonalities than differences. So I just
01:04:33.480want to be very clear. The diet wars are a distraction from what matters, which is eating
01:04:39.440high-quality, nutrient-filled, non-chemically-laden food. So that is the key point, is that many
01:04:48.780industries benefit off of our mass confusion about diet. And there's another piece of the puzzle
01:04:54.880here, which I think is actually a really beautiful aspect of the world that we're living in right now
01:04:59.600and the technological advancements that have happened in science, which is that we have access
01:05:04.060to a lot of testing and biomarker lab work, things like that, that can actually tell us each if our
01:05:11.560diet is working for us. So right now, over 50% of Americans, when you survey them, they're
01:05:16.480completely confused about nutrition. They don't know what to eat and they feel paralyzed by all
01:05:19.920the choices and the different diet wars. But what people don't understand is that when we understand
01:05:26.440the basics of our foundational lab work, simple tests that any doctor can order, and we take some
01:05:31.500ownership and start really being the CEO of our health and not just fully outsourcing our health
01:05:37.120data to daddy doctor, when we start taking some more ownership over that, which the healthcare
01:05:42.400system has indoctrinated patients to believe that they are not smart enough to understand their lab
01:05:47.460work, which is incorrect. I think every fifth grader in America can understand their basic
01:05:51.540lab work and the physiology behind it. And that's why I lay it out in my book, things like
01:05:54.900triglyceride levels, HGL cholesterol, fasting glucose levels, what does a blood pressure mean?
01:05:59.940You know, these, these basic lab work, if we track those over time and we understand the basics about
01:06:05.720them, we can see whether the diet we're eating is generating metabolic health and is generating
01:06:12.620the conditions in our body that will help us avoid chronic disease. So the two key points here are
01:06:18.460eat unprocessed real food as local as possible, ideally connect with farmers if you can,
01:06:25.420and check your biomarkers every two to three times a year, the basics. You don't need to do
01:06:29.140any fancy expensive stuff, stuff that's covered by insurance and track whether it's working for
01:06:33.300you. Right now, when we look at basic metabolic lab work, 93% of American adults are not getting
01:06:42.000a good mark for the basic five metabolic biomarkers, which is glucose, triglycerides,
01:06:46.840HDL, cholesterol, waist circumference, and blood pressure. 93.2% of Americans are not
01:06:52.020optimally managed on those biomarkers. So each of us needs to know those things for ourself.
01:06:59.060And then as we engage in dietary strategies and try different things on, check routinely,
01:07:04.900and you can actually be very clear whether it's working for you or not. You don't have to be
01:07:09.100confused and you don't have to outsource that information completely to your doctor.
01:07:12.440It's amazing. I saw recently my cardiologist, I go once a year, and we were talking about how to
01:07:18.860make sure you maintain heart health. And he was saying, make sure you have a low in saturated fat
01:07:23.820diet. But we did not discuss any of this. None of this was raised by one of the best cardiologists
01:07:31.200in New York, which is obviously a big city. And what you are saying is it's really not
01:07:37.560about the amount of saturated fat in your diet. It's about what kind of foods are you taking in
01:07:44.060net-net on a 24 and seven-day-a-week basis. And if you're eating low in saturated fat,
01:07:50.500but you're eating high in processed foods and seed oils and a lot of sugar,
01:07:55.880you're probably still going to have unfavorable heart results.
01:08:00.760Right. And I think that we all are biochemically individual. So what really matters is the
01:08:05.560interaction between the saturated fat and your body, and then how that's actually leading to
01:08:09.560your health outcomes. And right now we can understand a lot about our health outcomes
01:08:13.600with the tools available to us. So the biomarker testing, you know, we have all the wearables that
01:08:17.720we could wear now, like the Oura rings, and there's even continuous glucose monitors that
01:08:21.720can track that. And then there's also studies that we can do to actually see inside things
01:08:26.280like our heart vessels, like calcium scores, or clearly scans, or carotid intimal thickness
01:08:31.640ultrasounds. There's tests that we can do to truly know what our risk is. And so I think
01:08:39.840there's a huge emergence really outside the healthcare system, more in the entrepreneurial
01:08:43.820world, to democratize access to this testing so that we don't have to walk around feeling confused
01:08:50.340and we can have some more empowerment about understanding the biomarkers that truly tell
01:08:55.680us about foundational cellular health and how this confluence of factors in our environment is
01:09:00.260interacting with our own bodies to generate health or or not and so what does the aura ring show you
01:09:06.140held up your your finger i've seen people wear this but i haven't looked into it the aura ring
01:09:12.020um it's it's using essentially a light spectroscopy technology to to understand some factors that are
01:09:18.380going on in your body so it tells you about your resting heart rate tells you about your sleep so
01:09:21.860different stages of sleep um how much REM deep sleep light sleep you're getting total time of
01:09:26.880sleep, total time in bed, which are often very different. It's telling you about your heart rate
01:09:31.840variability, which is a metric of basically how much time is between each heartbeat. And that's
01:09:37.060actually an objective measure of how much stress our bodies are under. It also tracks my temperature
01:09:41.660and pairs with an app called the Natural Cycles app, which is the only FDA approved form of birth
01:09:48.720control that's essentially a digital app. And so the temperature, I think this is astonishing,
01:09:53.180Megan, I think most women, I didn't learn this until I was in my mid thirties, but you can
01:09:57.160actually track where you are in your hormonal cycle and your monthly cycle by just looking at
01:10:00.900your basal body temperature, which can be done through the ring. And so I have just learned so
01:10:05.120much about my own biology and my own cycle just by wearing an aura ring and then understanding
01:10:10.040how that relates to my monthly cycle. So I can know the exact day I'm ovulating. I can, it can
01:10:14.940predict the exact day I'm going to get my period. And I just feel so much more in touch with that
01:10:19.440beautiful cyclical nature of my female body by having a ring that's telling me that so you know
01:10:24.120resting heart rate that's a really important biomarker because the lower our resting heart
01:10:28.260rate is um sort of the better our cardiac outcomes are be the less stress the heart is under to be
01:10:34.480um you know pumping blood so that's that's something you can see from the ring and i
01:10:38.060really want to see my resting heart rate be in that like high 40s low 50s you know the the mayo
01:10:43.600clinic says 60 to 100 is fine but we actually know that as we get up closer to a resting heart
01:10:49.000rate of 100 beats per minute, it portends much worse health outcomes than if we're in that lower
01:10:54.100range. And so it lets you just zoom in on kind of day-to-day what's happening with these inputs,
01:11:00.060like how much sleep am I getting and how much movement am I getting? It also tracks your steps,
01:11:04.620of course. And so you can stay accountable to the key metabolic inputs that we know have an
01:11:13.120impact on our health outcomes. So it's accountability. Well, you talk about the
01:11:16.180continuous glucose monitor too, which you said, I mean, the book goes through in detail how this
01:11:21.120will help you monitor your life and how well you're doing and the glucose in your body and
01:11:24.540the insulin and all that. But I don't understand. Is this something like, does it puncture you?
01:11:29.580Like how, how does it work? Yeah. So it's a sensor that you wear on the back of your arm
01:11:34.620and it does have a small little probe that's four millimeters long. It's like fishing wire.
01:11:39.360It's very small. You can't feel it. And that does puncture the skin. So this little probe
01:11:43.220is essentially sitting in the fluid around your cells in your arm, and it's constantly sampling
01:11:47.900your blood sugar levels and sending that information to your smartphone. So you can
01:11:51.220see in real time what's happening to your blood sugar levels. And your blood sugar levels matter
01:11:54.920because as we become metabolically dysfunctional, we sort of have this problem in the body with
01:11:59.400how the body's making energy, how the mitochondria are converting food to energy in our bodies,
01:12:03.980what's going to happen? And as I mentioned, that problem is happening, not just because of the
01:12:07.800food we're eating, but also because of the lack of sleep and the lack of movement and the
01:12:11.840environmental toxins, that's all synergistically destroying our cellular health. What's going to
01:12:15.780happen when we become metabolically dysfunctional is the cells are actually going to reject glucose
01:12:20.080sugar from coming into the cells because they can't do a good job of processing it anymore
01:12:24.560because the cell is essentially metabolically broken. So our blood sugar levels are going to
01:12:28.360rise in the bloodstream because it's not being able to be taken out of the bloodstream into the
01:12:32.260cells. So because metabolic dysfunction is affecting 93% of Americans today, tracking your
01:12:38.100blood sugar can give you this basically constant movie of what's happening with this key metabolic
01:12:43.560biomarker. So when you have breakfast, you can look and instantly see how did that breakfast
01:12:49.780affect your blood sugar. And then you might be able to make some tweaks. Okay, well, I had oatmeal
01:12:54.580and my blood sugar went up 100 points, which is very, very high. Maybe tomorrow I'll add a little
01:12:59.060bit of fiber. I'll add some fat. I'll add some protein. I'll take a walk after breakfast to try
01:13:03.960and minimize that huge blood sugar rise that I had after that meal. So it lets you have this
01:13:10.140closed loop feedback between what you're eating, how your sleep is, what exercises you're doing,
01:13:15.820and what's actually happening with your blood sugar, this key metabolic biomarkers.
01:13:19.880I want to tell the audience that there are so many helpful tips in the book. Again,
01:13:22.560it's called Good Energy by Casey Means MD, like take a 15-minute walk after your meals. That
01:13:28.200actually helps with the insulin and the glucose levels. When you're eating a meal, let's face it,
01:13:32.660people are not going to give up carbs. They're not, they're not going to give up pasta permanently
01:13:35.700or rice or all that. But there's a way of eating your meal where if you, if you have Casey writes,
01:13:40.360like a handful of almonds, maybe before you go out, have a little, a little bit of fat. And,
01:13:45.880and maybe when you eat your meal, you have that salad first and then you eat your protein first.
01:13:50.300And then you finish up maybe 10, 12, 15 minutes after that with the starchy thing, like your
01:13:56.540potato or your pasta, even that can help you keep these glucose and these insulin levels
01:14:03.280managed. So you're not totally unrealistic. Like we're just never going to have pasta again.
01:14:08.320You know, we're just, you know, the people realistically won't live like that, but
01:14:11.920there are these little tips where you can live like a normal person,
01:14:15.380but minimize the damage that you have been doing.
01:14:19.600That's exactly, that's exactly right. And I think everyone's had the experience where they've had a
01:14:23.480post-meal crash, you know, where you have a meal and then a little bit later you feel exhausted
01:14:27.680and you want to take a nap and, you know, are feeling tired. And what's so interesting with
01:14:31.940something like a continuous glucose monitor is you can actually see what's happening in your body
01:14:35.640when you have that subjective experience of a crash. And often what's happening is that
01:24:24.260we should avoid pesticides on our foods and we should really try and minimize the amount of
01:24:29.400plastic that's in our homes and on our foods and things like that. I have a question for you from
01:24:36.060Debbie Murphy, who is my executive producer for news. She's been with me forever. And she has a
01:24:42.520question I think a lot of moms want to know about, which is, okay, you get the non-pesticide-laden
01:24:48.760fruits and veggies into your house, and then you send your kid off to school and you put it in the
01:24:53.240little plastic baggie. And your alternative, you don't want to put it in the little plastic baggie
01:24:56.920to send your kid to school with it, is to try to put it in glass, which is heavy, and the little
01:25:00.760kid could break it, and the school doesn't love it. And so I think a lot of us struggle with that.
01:25:05.600You may have this good, clean food, and then you shove it in plastic, or you shove it in Reynolds
01:25:09.380wrap, and it's like, well, that's aluminum. Same thing with bottled water. You have it in plastic.
01:25:14.940Or, oh, wait, is the aluminum any healthier? What are your thoughts on that?
01:25:18.100yeah i mean yeah we want to avoid the aluminum too because aluminum is is a neurotoxin um that's
01:25:24.700you know filling the vaccines that we're using and that's in you know we're drinking these
01:25:30.660aluminum cans that are also lined with plastic so we're getting both plastic and aluminum i mean
01:25:34.400it's everywhere i think i think it comes back to i mean we don't want to get discouraged um i think
01:25:38.740one of the things that always keeps me hopeful is realizing that like all of this is just a few
01:25:42.700decades old like we have forgotten that but we actually got into this mess just over the course
01:25:47.860of like half a century so we can absolutely get ourselves out of it but we do need to wake up
01:25:52.980and realize what's happening and think about our priorities right like we need to get creative
01:25:57.480we need all hands on deck we need our we need our brains to be functioning properly so that we can
01:26:01.720address these issues that are all of this is slipping into culture because of industry interests
01:26:08.000and we're we're kind of allowing it to happen but we have a lot of agency and i think we need to
01:26:13.180we really need to, like I talked about earlier, get back in touch before solutions, before talking
01:26:20.080about like, well, what better than a plastic baggie or a Reynolds wrap? We need to get back
01:26:24.520to the basics, which is more spiritual, I think, which is the fact that like, what do we want from
01:26:29.760this lifetime? What do we even think about this lifetime? Are we connecting with our spirituality
01:26:33.820and the fact that we are having this like absolutely miraculous cosmic experience as
01:26:40.180spirits in a body for 70 to 90 years on this planet once in eternity? You know, like,
01:26:46.860what are our priorities, you know? And then if we ground in that, whether that's a spiritual
01:26:53.160belief or religious belief, and really invest in that and just kind of unplug a little bit from
01:26:57.300this distraction industrial tech complex that wants us to totally forget about the miraculousness of
01:27:03.200experience of life. Once we do unplug from that, then think about, okay, what do I want to do in
01:27:08.160this lifetime? What is my purpose? You know, where am I trying to get? And I think realizing
01:27:13.900that the temple of the body, which is impacted by all of these things we're talking about,
01:27:18.180this is our gateway to reaching our highest purpose, to connecting with God during this
01:27:24.280lifetime. And I say all that not to take us off topic, but because we get really caught up in how
01:27:31.980difficult all the micro decisions are around our lives and how tough it is with the schools and
01:27:37.260the school lunches and the baggies and the lotions have artificial fragrances in them
01:27:40.840and the plastics, but I think we got to ground this in like the real core truth, which is
01:27:45.320that, you know, we're off course as a culture, our priorities are misaligned, we're missing
01:27:51.620what matters, we are totally distracted by tech and by all of this environmental stuff
01:27:56.320destroying our biology and making us not think clearly, we got to get back on track from
01:28:01.280that place, then we can talk about solutions, which is like, yeah, I, I want to invest my time
01:28:08.040and in sourcing healthy food and in trying to find alternatives. So that might be a silicone
01:28:13.060baggie. I don't know. It might be, you know, wrapping your kid's sandwich in butcher paper
01:28:17.660rather than a plastic baggie. But, um, I think, you know, I'm, you know, there's certainly
01:28:24.340infinite solutions to kind of like piece through each of these filter our water,
01:28:28.860you know, this and that. But fundamentally, I just think it needs to be grounded in a sense of like
01:28:33.080not overwhelm, but actually like I'm committed to prioritizing this in my life because I am
01:28:40.900disgusted by how culture is going. Like I'm going to get a water filter on at least my kitchen sink
01:28:47.380and then you do it and then you're done with that one. Like some of it is just like, I'm going to
01:28:52.620do some planning to improve my life. I want to say a couple of things because I just want to get
01:28:56.940these out because I know our time is short and you have to catch a flight. Okay. So there's,
01:29:02.640we should spend a minute on sugar. Sugar's the devil. I just did the thing. I did a Google search
01:29:08.600and found out that you're, my kids are allowed to have 25 grams of sugar a day, according to the
01:29:14.180recommendations. So that's not so bad. You could have like one ice cream a day. Your position is
01:29:20.340it's zero. It's zero. Hello. We, the sugar is terrible for us. So I want to go back to that,
01:29:25.480But just a couple other things quickly. We do need to be exercising. Walking is great throughout the day. Not one exercise, not one hour, not sit at a desk all day and then do one hour of exercise all day long.
01:29:37.480little movements, wall sits, mini little squats, even if it's one minute or two minutes an hour,
01:29:44.200that's actually better for you than just the one hour and eight hours of sitting.
01:29:49.140And actually you cite somebody in there. I think it, I can't remember who it is, but in any event,
01:29:54.500it's saying, in fact, if you sit all day and then you just do that one hour of exercise,
01:29:59.580you're probably undoing the effects of all that, of that one hour of exercise by all that sitting.
01:30:03.300Sitting is the devil. Sitting is death. You will die if you sit all day. So that's one thing.
01:30:09.380And the other weird thing, I'm just jumping around so I can get these things out while
01:30:12.240you're still here, see which one you want to talk about, is the hot and cold therapy is good.
01:30:17.600Saunas are good. Cold plunges are good. You don't have to have necessarily a cold plunge to do it.
01:30:22.260You can just turn on the cold, cold shower for two minutes at the end. All that stuff is like
01:30:26.040testing your body. And sleep, sleep, sleep. This is in your book, and we've had other sleep extras
01:30:31.780on, but it matters. It matters. Get at least seven hours. And here's the weirdest, but most
01:30:36.200interesting thing that jumped out at me in this whole thing. Do not take your grocery store
01:30:41.140receipts. Say, I don't want my receipt. Okay. So take your pick out of all those, but those are
01:30:46.460just quick rules for the audience listening at home. Yeah. Those are the keys. And, you know,
01:30:51.000as you read the book, you realize that all of these things are basically doing the same thing
01:30:56.020when we sleep and we avoid the toxins and we move more throughout the day. What we're doing is we're
01:31:01.700giving our body signals to help mitochondria and our cells do their best work. So it all funnels
01:31:08.100through this core foundational pathway that lets us have just foundational health. And these are,
01:31:14.820of course, didn't learn any of these things in medical school, had to learn all of this after
01:31:17.820medical school. And so, yes, absolutely. You know, I think that it is helpful to talk a little bit
01:31:25.920about the walking that you were talking about, because I think this is very free and practical
01:31:29.960and actionable for people. What the research shows that if we're able to move a little bit
01:31:36.300every hour throughout the day, so just get up and walk around the block or walk around our house,
01:31:41.040do a few air squats, just move our muscles. What that does is it actually keeps our glucose
01:31:46.540channels, our blood sugar channels on our cell membrane all throughout the day so that we're
01:31:50.840constantly able to take blood sugar out of the bloodstream and use it. If we sit all day and
01:31:55.340just exercise for one hour during the day, we're actually keeping those glucose channels inside the
01:32:01.020cell for most of the day and keeping that blood sugar floating around the bloodstream. And so
01:32:05.700it's a very different physiology if we're just, you know, doing these little micro hits of movement
01:32:09.740all throughout the day versus sitting all day and then exercising for an hour. Of course, that
01:32:13.660hour has a huge benefit and it's great for your mitochondrial health and your aerobic health.
01:32:18.400But what we want to do is we want to be exercising, but also sprinkling little two minute bursts of
01:32:23.880motion throughout the day to keep those cells constantly metabolically active. So this is the
01:32:30.440simple stuff like park farther away from the store when you're in the parking lot so you can walk a
01:32:35.680little bit farther, setting those little alarms on your phone for every 45 minutes or an hour to
01:32:40.040remind you to get up and move. It actually has a monumental impact on our 24-hour blood sugar
01:32:45.100levels. One of the things you recommend is the treadmill desk, which I said to the team, I'm like,
01:32:49.280what is this treadmill desk? Can you guys get me a videotape of it? And three of the members
01:32:53.780of my staff said we all have them. Here's Debbie Murphy. This is Canadian Debbie. For those of you
01:32:58.440listening at home, you know her well. She's been with me since 2007 at Fox. And here she is up in
01:33:03.080Canada. Boo, Canada. Walking on her treadmill. This is Kelly McGuire. Here we go. Another0.88
01:33:11.640Canadian producer. All my staff is in Canada. I don't know why. Okay, this is Natasha. She produced
01:33:17.600this segment. Casey, there's your book. So she's not in Canada. She's down in Texas. But anyway,
01:33:23.780Three of my staff are actually reading and writing and doing real work on the treadmill desks.
01:33:30.180Yeah. Pretty much the only thing I do sitting indoors is podcasts because it's a much better
01:33:35.100environment and I've got the good background. But to my right right now is my treadmill desk. I have
01:33:39.020a bright pink treadmill desk. This desk will raise after the podcast. And I actually have
01:33:43.740a standing desk outside. I'm pointing to my glass sliding door right now, just an old desk that I
01:33:49.900have a little structure on top of so I can stand. And I move my treadmill desk indoors and outdoors
01:33:54.240throughout the day. And that gets to another point about metabolic health that I think
01:33:58.100is sort of under, under the radar, which is we need to be spending more time outside
01:34:02.400astronomically more time outside. The research on this is insane. Humans are spending about
01:34:10.92094% of their time in inside a house or inside a car, only about 6% of their time outdoors on this
01:34:18.300spectacular, beautiful planet that we have this privilege to live on. And this has so,
01:34:24.600I know, I know. I mean, it's, so my, my ask, my invitation for people is try to find things that
01:34:31.660you are doing right now, indoor and seated during the day, and just find a way to do some of them
01:34:36.400outside and ideally some of them outside and standing. So this could be, instead of catching
01:34:40.700up with your partner on the couch at the end of the day, take a walk around the block together.
01:34:44.800If you are opening your mail that you just got from your mailbox, instead of bringing it inside and sitting to look at the mail, maybe stand outside at a table and do it.
01:34:53.680The reason for this is multifactorial.
01:34:55.600The first is that our circadian rhythms are being destroyed in our modern culture where we're being blasted with blue light from the screens and we're spending 94% of our time indoors separated from sunlight.
01:35:06.840Sunlight is a form of energy that actually hits our cells in our retina and on our skin
01:51:35.960These are all diseases of insulin resistance
01:51:38.560When your body doesn't like sugar and it keeps blocking the effects of insulin, you need more and more insulin and then insulin causes storage of belly fat, it causes inflammation, it makes you hungry, it just creates this whole cascade.
01:51:49.820And so we're seeing all these amazing things that people didn't know they had, like inflammation is a big driver of disease.
01:51:55.72046% of our population has inflammation.
01:51:58.18033% have an autoimmune biomarker, which is sort of amazing to uncover because I don't know what's causing it.
01:52:04.760Is it our load of environmental toxins?
01:53:12.920And what people don't realize is that these nutrients are the basic lubricants that oil the wheels of your metabolic machinery.
01:53:18.880So every chemical reaction in your body, and there's 37 billion trillion every second, has to be facilitated by a helper, which is usually a vitamin or mineral.
01:55:53.000And one of the things he was saying was, no, I have not maintained that vaccines cause autism, but I think that we need to look at the toxic stew the children are growing up in as a potential cause of autism.
01:56:07.180And what's in the vaccines, like the extras in the vaccines, like mercury or aluminum, should also be factored into that discussion.
01:56:15.660But he listed it for me in this discussion saying, look at all the things that kids are going through that were not present when I was a kid.
01:56:32.180And then I listen more to you and you're even next level with it, I think, because you're like part of the toxic stew is those potato chips.
01:56:41.160and the soda and the absence of cauliflower
01:59:24.240I mean, Roger Marshall, who's now the head of the Maha Caucus in the Senate, I called them out in my book, Food Fix.
01:59:29.820I said, you know, there was a panel on chronic disease and a hearing in Congress, and he was emphasizing it was just exercise that was the issue.
02:00:05.900You know, to try to encourage our poorest Americans when they need food stamps to use them for high nutrition foods and not the worst of the worst.
02:00:14.620And tooth and nail, the soda companies are fighting this.
02:00:17.220It's worth something like $60 billion a year to them.
02:00:20.120And this just happened in Arizona, where there was a bill to remove soda from the things you could buy with food stamps, with Snap, and they wrote it against it.
02:00:31.960And the bill failed to make it out of the Health and Human Services Committee in the Arizona legislature by a vote of 6-6, and who cast the deciding vote against it?
02:00:41.360A Republican, Ralph Heap, voted against it alongside the Democrats.
02:00:44.740By the way, not for nothing, but here is, I think we have cali-means.
02:00:48.580Yeah, here's cali-means reacting to that in Sat 1.
02:00:51.820So there's no correlation or causation between soda and obesity rates?
02:00:55.380If your concern is obesity, then we should be talking about obesity.
02:00:59.800We shouldn't be talking about obesity for SNAP recipients who have social determinants of health beyond just what they eat.
02:01:05.840The thing is that the general public would consider unhealthy.
02:01:08.120I mean, who knows what the general public considers unhealthy?
02:01:10.520If the government tries to define in state statute what's a good food and what's a bad food, it's very, very complicated.
02:01:18.120We are not going to subsidize sugary drinks and candy for our kids.
02:02:12.780And it's not nutrition security, which is what we need in America, which is providing enough nutrients to people who have also food insecurity.
02:02:20.760And you look at SNAP, 20% of Coca-Cola's U.S. profits come from food stamps.
02:02:26.640It's a big chunk of Walmart's profits.
02:02:53.420We pay for the farmers to grow the corn that makes the high fructose corn syrup
02:02:57.520that goes in the soda then we pay for the soda with snap and then we pay for medicare medicaid
02:03:02.640on the back end to deal with the chronic diseases like diabetes that result from it and who's paying
02:03:07.920for the environmental consequences of how we grow the food using uh methods that disrupt our soil
02:03:12.860the loss of soil organic matter we've lost a third of all our top soil soon we're going to lose all
02:03:17.380of it the amount of water resources we use to to irrigate which are which are because the farming
02:03:23.300methods don't retain water in the soil. For every 1% organic matter, you retain 25,000 gallons of
02:03:28.280water per acre. So we're losing huge amounts of our water infrastructure. And we're also
02:03:33.320poisoning the rivers and lakes because all the neuroelectrician fertilizer flows down to them
02:03:37.840and causes the overgrowth of algae, which sucks all the oxygen out and kills the fish. And so we
02:03:41.700have dead zones the size of New Jersey and the Gulf of Mexico or America, whatever I call it now.
02:03:46.120And there's 400 of those around the world that feed half a billion people. And then we lose
02:03:49.860biodiversity. 75% of pollinators are gone. So the list goes on. Who's paying for all that? Who's
02:03:54.580paying for the bees being destroyed? Who's paying for the water being destroyed? Who's paying for
02:03:57.160the fish being destroyed? So basically it's us. This is the part of the conversation where I just
02:04:01.600want to open up a bag of Doritos. I give up. I give up. I can't. There's no winning. We're
02:04:07.400probably inhaling enough microplastics to kill us right now. It's like, by the way, that was
02:04:11.440another thing I learned in preparation for today. The average person, is it here? The average person
02:04:16.020now today um has this is from uh it was on the it was the new york times today on micro microplastics
02:04:22.640the human brain samples from 2024 had nearly 50 50 percent more microplastics than brain samples
02:04:28.760from 2016 they estimate there are five bottle caps worth of plastic in the average can't be good
02:04:36.520can't be good five bottle caps can't spare it no and it was so so it's overwhelming like
02:04:41.560the farming that let's just start there you know that's what like casey and cali have been saying
02:04:46.000We need regenerative farming, which I don't really totally understand.
02:04:49.520But it seems like it's going to be really hard to make the farmers do that and really expensive.
02:04:54.900And when I sat in on those RFKJ confirmation hearings, even the Republican senators seemed to be a little like, I'm chugging for you, except when it comes to the farmers.
02:05:04.020Well, the thing is the farmers are a big voting base, and so you don't want to lose them.
02:05:07.920But you also want to take care of them.
02:05:09.080Because when you look at farmers in this country, suicide rates are higher than almost any population.
02:05:13.980Chronic disease rates, Parkinson's, cancer, because of how they're farming, they're not able to make significant profits.
02:05:19.920They're really marginalized in terms of their way they're stuck between the bank loans, the crop insurance, and the seed and chemical companies that they have to buy the seeds and the chemicals from.
02:05:29.000So they're kind of stuck in the middle.
02:05:32.120And it's been demonstrated, the science is there, the economics are there, to convert farms that are industrial farms to regenerative farms.
02:07:30.520But in any event, all the money that Obama and Joe Biden have been funneling into wind and solar energy, which is very inefficient, it costs so much, it requires so much land and toxins and reliance on the Chinese and so on.
02:07:46.940Why don't we funnel that into American farmers to help them switch over to regenerative farming?0.76
02:20:27.640I mean, when you look at us compared to every other country, we spend more than twice than any other nation on health care, which is almost $5 trillion, $1 in $5 of our economy.
02:20:36.480The federal government pays for 40% of that, and it's $1 in $3 federal dollars.
02:20:41.080So we're footing the bill, and we're 48th in life expectancy.
02:20:45.320see i think cuba and albania are better than us oh my god albania i think so maybe they don't have
02:20:50.780good records but like that when you look at the list like what are we doing here at the bottom
02:20:54.480of the list and i mean trump on joe rogan he showed the number one reason for that what's
02:20:58.880the number if you had to pick one i think it's it's it's our it's our uh diet ultra processed
02:21:03.920foods yeah it's it's the it's the uh takeover of the american food supply by the industrial food
02:21:09.480system yeah and chemicals everywhere i mean like within that what's the number one culprit ultra
02:21:14.120process i think chemicals i think it's sugar and starch sugar and starch and then you can add in
02:21:18.420the chemicals and all the rest of it and by the way is is is bread um it's bread bad is bread
02:21:24.800basically sugar yeah well actually the glycemic something called the glycemic index which is how
02:21:29.160much a given food raises your blood sugar is based on white bread so that's a hundred so that's the
02:21:34.340highest yep sugar is actually 80 because it's made up of fructose and glucose but it's a little bit
02:21:40.360trick because fructose doesn't raise your blood sugar but but they both have the same yeah below
02:21:44.500the neck your body cannot tell the difference between a bowl of cereal or a bowl of sugar
02:21:48.900wow you know or a loaf of bread or a loaf of bread you keep it's just the same thing so when
02:21:53.720you eat white bread you're basically eating sugar and and the american population consumes 152 pounds
02:22:00.080of sugar and 133 pounds of flour per person per year that's almost three quarters of a pound
02:22:06.560per day you know i mean the the diet care guidelines which need to be fixed and i'm
02:22:12.580working on that with a non-profit good that 10 of our diet they say can be sugar that's 12
02:22:17.820teaspoons in an average 2 000 calorie diet for a kid the average kid's eating 36 teaspoons of sugar
02:22:22.020a day well that and that's a pharmacologic dose cali or casey one of them was saying at the the
02:22:27.780turn of the 20th century you know the 1900 or so the average you know recommended daily or you know
02:22:33.820So the average intake of sugar amongst American children was zero, zero on a day-to-day basis.
02:22:40.520Now they say you can have like 28 grams.
02:22:43.860Well, you know, when the World Health Organization tried to reduce the recommended amount of sugar to 5% of your diet from 10% in the recommendations,
02:22:53.220Donald Rumsfeld, when he was under Bush too, flew to Geneva and said,
02:22:58.640we're going to pull our $400 million of funding from you if you do that.
02:23:02.580what it's crazy yeah i mean that's how powerful the food industry is they have infiltrated every
02:23:07.640aspect of our society oh and and not to mention that they're basically accounted for most of the
02:23:12.820marketing and tv besides pharma yeah it's all junk food i mean i watched the super bowl last
02:23:16.440year there's 11 junk food ads in the first half they're pushers yeah they're pushers if they were
02:23:20.740doing this with you know heroin we would see the danger but it's addictive i mean the science is
02:23:24.920so clear in this megan 14 of adults and kids are biologically addicted to food this is according
02:38:40.740and this was first discovered in medicine with epilepsy,
02:38:42.500We found that if you took away all the sugar and starch and you increased fat to like 75%, you could actually stop seizures that no medications would touch.
02:38:51.660If you look back at the history of medicine and diabetes, treatment of type 1 diabetes where your pancreas just shuts down, all these kids would die.
02:38:59.440And the way they would treat them would be putting them on a 75% fat diet.
02:39:16.760I mean, we can go into that too if you want.
02:39:18.020But what was fascinating back in the teens and 20s was medicine was actually prescribing ketogenic diets for type 1 diabetics to save their lives.
02:39:27.980And now we see that we can actually reverse what is predominantly a carbohydrate intolerant society where we have 75% overweight, 93% metabolically broken, meaning they have some problem with regulating blood sugar and insulin.
02:39:47.760And when you restrict carbohydrates and you increase fat, you actually switch basically from a gas-burning car to an electric-burning car, and it's clean burning.
02:40:00.900But now we're finding it's effective for reversing type 2 diabetes, for treatment of Alzheimer's, for cancer.
02:40:07.540Siddhartha Mukherjee may have heard of him.
02:40:09.180He's a famous oncologist from Columbia, written a book called The Emperor of All Maladies, won the Pulitzer Prize.
02:40:14.240he's now doing research on ketogenic diets for end-stage cancer like melanoma and pancreatic
02:40:19.100cancer and seeing complete reversals. What? Because, yeah, because basically cancer runs
02:40:23.120on sugar, but it's not like a hybrid engine. It can only run on carbs. It can't run on fat.
02:40:27.980So you starve it of this carbs and cancer cells die. It's pretty remarkable. So across the spectrum,
02:40:33.840whether it's autism or Alzheimer's or cancer or type 2 diabetes or schizophrenia or depression
02:41:08.760And so I had a patient who was overweight, who was struggling with lots of inflammation, who was pre-diabetic, whose cholesterol was like 300, it should be 200.
02:41:16.380Her triglycerides were 300, it should be 100 or less.
02:41:19.320Her good cholesterol, we don't really like to call it good or bad, but the HDL was low, which is a sign of this metabolic dysfunction.
02:41:26.440And she was desperate to try to do something.0.88
02:45:45.460And so, you know, there's a tremendous amount of emerging data
02:45:49.880that saturated fats aren't the boogeyman we thought they were.
02:45:52.280You know, there was a long history of a scientist named Ansel Keys in the 60s who basically did this study called the Seven Country Study, which showed that people who had higher levels of saturated fat had higher LDL and higher heart disease risk.
02:46:04.760But they left out the other 14 or 15 countries where their data didn't match that, like Switzerland or France, right?
02:46:13.060So they were like, I was cherry picking a little bit.
02:46:14.880And then we got into this era of low-fat, and that led to the food pyramid, which told us to eat 6 to 11 servings of bread, rice, cereal, and pasta day, which we did like a dutiful population.
02:46:26.080That was a good era, though. I mean, that was a nice time. Let's be honest.
02:46:28.180We did that as dutiful citizens, and what happened to America? We exploded.
02:47:28.140And you go like, whoa, wow, that's crazy.
02:47:30.460And now 80% of African women are overweight, and obesity rates, and heart disease rates, and hypertension rates, and kidney failure rates far exceed the rest of the population.
02:47:38.600And you can tie this to ultra-processed foods and to the demonization of fat and elevation of sugar.
02:47:48.360And now we've kind of reversed that trend.
02:47:49.820And I think it's a big sort of tanker ship to move, but we have to do it because we're not only threatening our personal health, we're threatening our national security.
02:48:01.14070% or 77% of recruits for the military are rejected because they're unfit to fight because they're overweight or other reasons because of their diet.
02:48:08.600And you've got global competitiveness being challenged.
02:48:11.480We're like 30-something in math and reading in the world
02:55:52.420It ties me over for hours, and I love it, and I know it's good for me.
02:55:55.860And if you make your home a safe zone, you teach your kids about food,
02:55:58.900you cook with them, you show them what food's about, that's what they learn.
02:56:02.580Okay, but let's give them an actual possibility that could go in there.
02:56:05.860what could be in their school lunch yeah what could go in i mean you could put uh like uh i
02:56:10.840don't know i mean like you can make a sandwich out of healthy stuff right you could have uh
02:56:14.660i'm just blanking now because i haven't packed my kids lunch like chicken you can't you can't do
02:56:18.560chicken nuggets can you or can you do like the organic ones that you get it yeah you could do
02:56:22.180that i mean you could do that that are that are not you know deep fried in the bed you can't get
02:56:25.820sliced deli meat right no slice deli meat's not good that's the devil you know the bologna
02:56:29.800sandwiches with mayo and bread i mean you shouldn't be putting a sandwich in there i mean you could
02:56:33.980if it's if it's whole grain bread and you you know you know the source of it i think the kids
02:56:37.440need to eat real food and what's the problem is that they're not eating real food and there are
02:56:41.240there are great guides on how to do this um i'm i'm like blanking on school lunches because
02:56:45.960basically well an apple fruit cheese cheese can be fine okay with cheese yeah cheese can be fine
02:56:52.040i prefer sheep or goat cheese what else steve what else do we need to know hold on see if
02:56:57.660there's a follow-up what what kind of meat yeah what kind of meat in the sandwich like
02:57:03.240real turkey sliced turkey roast real real like not deli no not deli turkey because that's like
02:57:08.960kind of ground up and mixed with all kinds of stuff like a chicken breast that you cooked
02:57:12.880yourself the night before in avocado oil something like that that's pasture raised yeah okay it's
02:57:18.460just so much harder than it should be you know it's like well the defaults are the wrong choices
02:57:22.620how do we make the defaults the easy choices and the right choices yeah i don't know i like even
02:57:27.940in the summers i'm sure a lot there are a lot of parents out there who can relate to this
02:57:30.840the summers the family eating goes to hell the kids daily eating because they're all over the
02:57:38.180place you know our kids go to this day camp then they swing by the the ice cream place that has a
02:57:42.200great menu like a diner kind of place and they're all eating just terrible food all day long i don't
02:57:48.160even know what the alternative is you know like without hiring a chef to live in your house and
02:57:52.880come up with healthy options for all three meals you know they'll they're eating bagel with cream
02:57:57.500cheese in the morning and then they're eating like a cheese steak for for lunch and then you
02:58:01.780know i'll get them for dinner but it's so hard it is it is and that's that's the whole point of what
02:58:06.760needs to change in our policies to to change the things from the top down so that we produce food
02:58:12.040that's healthier that we have clear labeling on foods that people know what they're getting
02:58:16.140that we have access in a way that we don't have now to healthier options and so those those things
02:58:22.380will take time and i think that's what the trump administration is trying to do i hope they succeed
02:58:27.080I think there's a sort of a tension between the USDA and HHS because the USDA basically is to support farmers and not necessarily support the health of Americans.
02:58:35.940And they essentially are creating all the diseases inadvertently that Health and Human Services and Medicare and Medicaid are having to take care of.
03:02:55.740I'm just saying that's the excuse they found to come from him.
03:02:57.780And when you look at who that group was, like one of the guys spent years in jail for Medicare fraud.
03:03:03.060And I was sort of shocked that the New York Times is an investigative journalist outlet, I thought, and it wasn't.
03:03:11.200I mean, it took me like 10 minutes to figure out who these people were by Googling them and what their backgrounds were and why they had this opinion and what this group was about.
03:03:19.080And there's so many of these front groups out there that seem noble and high-minded.
03:03:24.200The American Council on Science and Health, who would not believe what they have to say, right?
03:03:27.820Or like in another lane, the American Academy of Pediatrics.
03:10:41.100Now, let's talk about the weight loss drugs, because it seems like one of the first things that Trump did in the Maha lane was to take them off of the Medicare and Medicaid, too, options.
03:10:54.180But that seems counterintuitive, because being fat causes everything.
03:12:22.260But your metabolism will be slower because muscle from seven times the calories is fat.
03:12:26.700So you need to eat less at the same weight just to maintain that weight.
03:12:29.560So it's a slippery slope unless you are, and I think this is something that we've talked about in some of the policy conversations we have had.
03:12:37.640If you're going to give this drug, it must be delivered along with a nutrition counseling program that makes you eat at least a gram of protein per ideal body weight.
03:12:48.100So let's say per pound of ideal body weight.
03:12:49.540So let's say you're 120 pounds, you need 120 grams of protein.
03:16:15.960I mean, this is totally anecdotal, but when I go camping or I'm sleeping outside, like, I sleep better.
03:16:20.900My whole well-being changes, and it could be nature, it could be a lot of other things, but I always wonder if that, or sometimes even when the power goes out,
03:16:28.280because, you know, when the power goes out, sometimes it goes out for three or four days, like, wow, I feel a lot better, I sleep better, you know, I mean, it's kind of amazing.
03:16:34.280So that's anecdotal, but I think it's something we should study.
03:19:42.400I mean, if you could get a message out that's simple, it's like, you know, if it's a food that you can't recognize or make in your kitchen with the ingredients that you have in your kitchen, you probably shouldn't eat it.