The Megyn Kelly Show - Get To Know The Incoming Trump Cabinet： Tulsi Gabbard, Marco Rubio, Kristi Noem, and More

00:00:00.580 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.000 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.160 Well, today we've put together for you a deep dive on the incoming Trump cabinet,

00:00:20.220 the people President-elect Donald Trump has selected to be his team when he's sworn in this January.

00:00:25.820 And to do that, we are bringing you some of their appearances on The Megyn Kelly Show

00:00:29.600 over the past few years. First up is Tulsi Gabbard, nominated to be the Director of National

00:00:35.340 Intelligence. Tulsi's been on with me many times over the years, but a notable appearance

00:00:39.960 was episode 846 from July of this year, right after the swap from Joe Biden to Kamala Harris.

00:00:48.080 Given her history with the Democratic Party, Tulsi was the perfect person to talk to about it.

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00:01:51.680 eligibility for free silver today. President Biden's selfless decision has given the Democratic Party

00:02:01.300 the opportunity to unite behind a new nominee. And boy, oh boy, are we enthusiastic. When I spoke with

00:02:09.220 her Sunday, she said she wanted the opportunity to win the nomination on her own and to do so from

00:02:16.660 the grassroots up, not top down. She would work to earn the support of our party. And boy, has she done

00:02:25.000 so in quick order. So now that the process has played out from the grassroots bottom up, we are here today

00:02:34.540 to throw our support behind Vice President Kamala Harris. I'm clapping. You don't have to.

00:02:45.480 It's a happy day. What can I say? And they didn't clap. And for the listening audience, while he's doing

00:02:51.600 this bit, he's pumping his fist like, yay, we can do it. Both fists together. Swing, swaying, bottom up,

00:02:59.520 grassroots, just in case you didn't hear. Welcome back to the Megyn Kelly show. Who better to talk

00:03:05.820 about all of this with than my next guest, Tulsi Gabbard. She was a 2020 presidential candidate on

00:03:12.940 the Dem side, and she is author of the book For Love of Country, Leave the Democrat Party Behind. So

00:03:17.220 you know how things went over there. Tulsi, great to have you back, especially so soon. But why shouldn't

00:03:22.060 we've given them monumental developments since you were last on? This was a grassroots bottom up

00:03:29.540 quote process that was really given to the voters, just in case you weren't aware, definitely not top

00:03:35.720 down. True? Yeah, sure. If you buy what Chuck Schumer is selling, which I don't for a second. I was

00:03:45.220 laughing as you play that clip, Megan, because gosh, it's just so telling in so many ways.

00:03:52.060 Ending with him being the only guy clapping. In front of like loyal Democrats and campaign

00:03:58.640 operatives, nonetheless. Exactly. Exactly. It really said it all about who's actually made the decision

00:04:06.500 here. And it's not the rank and file Democrats. And we got to go all the way back to when the

00:04:12.780 Democratic presidential primaries were supposed to occur. Stark contrast to when I ran in 2020

00:04:19.500 in that presidential primary where you actually had primaries. And there were a lot of different

00:04:25.340 choices from voters to select from. How that pre-curation and pre-selection process occurred

00:04:33.200 between the Democratic Party and the mainstream propaganda media back then is another topic for

00:04:39.260 another conversation. But at least there were many names on the ballot. And voters had the opportunity to

00:04:44.760 go and cast their vote for the candidate of their choosing. In this election now in 2024, many states

00:04:51.140 didn't even have primaries. We actually had a few people who stepped up to run against Joe Biden in

00:04:57.800 the primary election. And their names were not allowed to be on some ballots in these states. So

00:05:03.800 to say that, first of all, there was even a Democratic process to select Joe Biden to be the nominee

00:05:08.600 is a pure lie. And that lie is continuing on now as they try to create this new narrative and this

00:05:16.820 facade of how the Democratic Party is going to the grassroots from the bottom on up to select Kamala

00:05:22.620 Harris as the nominee. None of that has happened. What are we at? It's Wednesday now. This announcement

00:05:29.020 was just made that President Biden was not going to run on Sunday. Where was the bottom-up grassroots

00:05:34.680 voices being heard and votes being cast now for Kamala Harris to be the new Democratic nominee?

00:05:41.140 It's a lie. It hasn't happened. They have decided that she will be the nominee. But they're trying

00:05:47.120 to pretend as though that this is a decision being made by the American people, or certainly Democratic

00:05:51.900 primary voters, to try to bolster her position rather than seeing it for what it actually is, which

00:05:57.740 is a coronation by the Democrat elite who've been calling the shots for Joe Biden, who's been a figure

00:06:04.620 head for the Democrat elite for the last three and a half years. And now they see in Kamala Harris

00:06:09.080 someone who will continue to be a figurehead and who will who will do whatever they tell her to do.

00:06:15.560 That's exactly right. She's going to owe them. She's going to owe them big. It's right on brand,

00:06:19.680 though, Tulsi, for the Democrat Party and what we've seen recently, where we've just been through

00:06:24.080 years of them telling us not to believe our lion eyes when it came to Joe Biden's decline.

00:06:29.100 And then when it was no longer, you know, they were no longer capable of hiding it.

00:06:33.920 And Kamala subs in, don't believe your lion eyes that this looked like a top down effort.

00:06:39.420 You know, she was made the nominee by fiat. You guys really actually voted for it. This came from

00:06:44.880 you, the grassroots. And I have to say, of all the ones who object, finally, you see BLM coming out and

00:06:51.020 saying, yeah, this is not OK. She's been placed in there. We object to this. We do not support her.

00:06:57.600 And shouldn't there be at least the semblance of democracy here? I mean,

00:07:01.600 this might be the first time I've agreed with the messaging coming out of that group.

00:07:06.980 It is it is very telling, again, and it's a continuation of two things. Number one is

00:07:12.860 across the entire Biden-Harris administration, they have consistently shown that that they believe

00:07:19.420 if they say something that it is somehow true. And number two, that we, the American people,

00:07:26.420 are stupid enough to buy what they're saying and not pay attention to what they're doing.

00:07:32.340 We've seen this dramatically with their open border policies over and over again for the last three

00:07:38.480 years. President Biden, Kamala Harris, Secretary Mayorkas over and over again telling the American

00:07:42.940 people the border is secure. The border is secure. There is no crisis at the border. Don't worry about

00:07:49.100 this. There's nothing to see here, folks. And then all of a sudden, because they see voters are

00:07:53.160 looking at what's actually happening. They're not buying their lie. President Biden does this last

00:07:57.720 minute political election year executive order to try to crack down on the on the border and actually

00:08:03.600 acknowledge. Well, actually, no, it wasn't secure, but it's the Republicans fault and it's Trump's

00:08:08.100 fault. It doesn't make sense in any way, shape or form. They did the same thing with our economy.

00:08:13.880 Bidenomics is working great. It's one of our greatest success stories. The economy is going to be

00:08:18.380 great. The recession is not going to last very long. It's just a temporary thing. Don't worry about it.

00:08:23.080 Nothing to see here. Meanwhile, everyday Americans are noticing that they can afford less and less

00:08:28.600 every time you go to the grocery store, recognizing that our economy is not doing very well. Everything

00:08:34.100 costs more now. And when are these prices going to fall? When is when is inflation going to go down

00:08:39.220 in enough of a way that makes it so that people can not have to be so concerned about how to cover

00:08:44.380 the basic expenses of everyday life? We're seeing the same thing happen here. I think this statement

00:08:50.480 from Black Lives Matter is very telling because they're speaking the truth, first of all, but

00:08:55.980 second of all, also that it shows that they expect Black voters to fall in behind Kamala Harris

00:09:03.040 lockstep, once again, playing the identity politics game rather than actually looking at what are the

00:09:08.080 issues? What are the issues that are of concern to African-American voters, to different demographics

00:09:14.700 and constituencies across our country? They're not actually focused on solutions to the real

00:09:20.040 challenges we face. Once again, focused on what they say and hoping we fall for the lie and the optics

00:09:27.340 of what they're presenting that are not reflective of the truth of the world and country that we live in

00:09:32.840 today. So on the subject of the economy, I believe that this is one of the reasons Democrats are

00:09:39.840 struggling so mightily. And I think it's so far we've seen Harris as well. It's only been days. So

00:09:44.840 take it with a grain of salt with young people because they're being directly affected. They

00:09:50.040 can't get into the economy. They can't get anything close to a running start. They're dragging. They

00:09:55.380 can't find jobs. I also happen to believe the over-the-top DEI messaging that these young people have

00:10:01.220 grown up with and been immersed in in high school and college has turned a lot of them on these

00:10:06.760 Democrats. They don't want their skin color and their gender and their whatever shoved down their

00:10:12.140 throats. But look at this report from CNN. I've got two sound bites here from this guy, Harry Enten,

00:10:17.500 who watches the polls carefully for them. They're very interesting, Tulsi. We'll play the first one

00:10:22.380 and then we'll go to the second. Watch. Joe Biden won voters under the age of 35 by 21 points.

00:10:28.180 What do we see with Kamala Harris? Well, she's still ahead, but the margin here is significantly less

00:10:33.960 than what we saw with Joe Biden back in 2020. She's up by just nine points. You may make the

00:10:38.820 argument that was better than Biden was doing before he got out, but compared to that Democratic

00:10:43.040 baseline where Democrats have historically in presidential elections, at least this century,

00:10:47.240 been carrying that young vote by 20 or more percentage points, she is way down from that.

00:10:52.760 Democrats say they're more motivated to turn out after Biden left the race. Well,

00:10:56.580 we do see a significant portion of Democrats who say yes, 39 percent. The thing I was interested in

00:11:01.220 was it disproportionately younger voters who said that they were more likely to turn out or more

00:11:06.040 motivated to turn out. And what we see here is it's 42 percent, not a big difference between 42

00:11:11.140 and 39 percent. So this idea, again, that the vice president has unique potential to dig in and get

00:11:17.400 young voters to turn out. John, it's just not there in the numbers, despite all the Internet memes that

00:11:23.220 are going around. They've only gotten a three point bump with young voters on enthusiasm since they

00:11:30.720 announced her. Let me play the second one, because this speaks more to party identification.

00:11:36.420 And you and I both know you used to be a Democrat. I did, too. Yeah. When you're young,

00:11:41.480 that's when the Democrat Party is kind of usually most appealing, not necessarily right now. Look at

00:11:48.040 this. I want to look at party identification again. Voters under the age of 35. Go back to 2020.

00:11:54.640 This is the Pew Research study. This is one of the best studies that we have. And look at that.

00:11:58.540 56 percent of young voters said that, in fact, they were Democrats. They identified as Democrat

00:12:04.020 or lean Democratic. You look down at 2024, it's 49 percent. Look at the Republican jump from 39 to

00:12:10.340 49 percent. So when we say that Harris is doing worse than Biden, it's not that she's uniquely bad.

00:12:15.520 It's rather she's fighting uphill. She's trying to fight against a wave that is going against the

00:12:19.960 Democrats among young voters. And Harris may be unique in some ways. Maybe she does slightly better

00:12:24.160 than the generic Democrat, but not all that much. So for the listening audience, it shows that the

00:12:30.700 the Republicans used to be at a significant disadvantage in getting young people to vote

00:12:34.860 and register Republican. And it's been completely erased. And Democrats have gone from having 49 percent

00:12:41.900 of the young voters registered as Democrat to just 30. They've lost 10 percentage points on of their

00:12:48.840 share. So you explain that one to me, Tulsi, because that's that's a problem for them.

00:12:54.240 You know, what's what I think is is encouraging of what we're seeing here is that you have young

00:12:59.440 people who are are questioning. They're not just accepting whatever they're being fed.

00:13:04.580 Again, we can't cast a broad brush and say all young people, this or that. But but it's encouraging

00:13:09.900 to see that there are more young people who are not just accepting at face value what the Democratic

00:13:15.360 elite are saying when they say, hey, a boy can become a girl simply by declaring that is so and

00:13:22.060 that boys should be allowed to compete in girls sports. I think people are actually this is young

00:13:28.060 people, but I think across the board are recognizing the literal and pure insanity of these woke radical

00:13:37.040 ideologies of the Democratic elite are not only advocating for, but pushing and mandating in our

00:13:42.980 schools. The fact that in some schools now, for example, a track team in my home state of Hawaii,

00:13:50.200 a girl's track team now has half of the team, half of the entire team are biological males competing on

00:13:58.180 a girl's team, taking away those opportunities from our young women and girls. Every I think every

00:14:04.200 rational, open minded person would look at this kind of example and just say, this is insanity. It's crazy.

00:14:11.340 And so this you mentioned some examples with regard to the economy. You look at examples related to

00:14:17.640 our open borders and how it's not just the border states now that are feeling the effects and impacts

00:14:23.600 of the almost four years of open border policies under the Biden-Harris administration. It's small

00:14:29.680 towns. It's rural communities. I was in Montana recently and was talking to some folks there. This is

00:14:34.680 Montana. You couldn't get farther away from the border on any coast or, or, or the Southwest than

00:14:40.460 Montana. And even there, they are being impacted by the illegal immigration crisis and an increasing

00:14:46.180 presence of criminal activity by the cartels who have taken a stronghold there. It is harder for

00:14:53.180 everyday Americans, young people who are usually not affiliated, attached to an affiliation of one party

00:15:00.000 or another from a generational standpoint. So it's encouraging to see how people are using their

00:15:05.720 common sense, being critical thinkers, being independent minded thinkers about, okay, well,

00:15:11.180 well, which party and which candidate is more accurately representing common sense and what is actually in the

00:15:18.220 best interest of themselves, their families, their communities in our country.

00:15:21.980 I was just talking to a couple of young people, uh, young and in college and, uh, they were each one

00:15:28.700 of them, three guys all telling me they had had furries in their high school and seeing them at college

00:15:36.100 that the kids regularly showing up wearing cat ears and tails and outfits and pretending that they

00:15:42.720 were an animal during school hours. And all three of these young men happen to be white.

00:15:47.520 They have zero question that this is a disadvantage for them in seeking job opportunities that in

00:15:54.240 interview after interview, we're going in another direction, going in another direction. And

00:15:57.900 invariably they hire somebody who's got some sort of identity that the box that can be checked.

00:16:03.000 I really think this is having electoral consequences for the Democrats and it's showing up in some of

00:16:08.580 these polls. And I think even they are going to realize this. I don't know whether they'll actually do

00:16:13.280 anything about it though. So mind meld, mind melded into this ideology. Um, I'm going to take a break

00:16:18.800 and I'm going to come back because there's a lot more to get to. I want to get to Kamala Harris and

00:16:23.380 who she is on there, on the crime issue. Because as I was pointing out, she, she supposedly has this

00:16:28.880 tough history from California, but when she was elevated to vice president, her messaging changed

00:16:33.600 dramatically. And now even her party is starting to change on the issue of crime because it's gotten so

00:16:40.380 bad. And even Democrats are realizing defund police is not a good message. So what the hell is she

00:16:47.100 going to do? What's she going to say? Which, which one's going to emerge?

00:16:53.280 Senator Harris says she's proud of her record as a prosecutor and that she'll be a prosecutor

00:16:57.980 president, but I'm deeply concerned about this record. There are too many examples to cite, but

00:17:03.040 she put over 1500 people in jail for marijuana violations and then laughed about it when she was

00:17:08.020 asked if she ever smoked marijuana. She blocked evidence. She blocked evidence that would have

00:17:14.940 freed an innocent man from death row until the courts forced her to do so. She kept people in

00:17:20.760 prison beyond their sentences to use them as cheap labor for the state of California. And she fought

00:17:26.200 to keep cash bail system in place that impacts poor people in the worst kind of way.

00:17:32.300 As the elected attorney general of California, I did the work of significantly reforming the criminal

00:17:40.140 justice system of a state of 40 million people, which became a national model for the work that

00:17:44.900 needs to be done. And I am proud of that work. The bottom line is, Senator Harris, when you were in a

00:17:49.460 position to make a difference and an impact in these people's lives, you did not. And worse yet,

00:17:55.220 in the case of those who were on death row, innocent people, you actually blocked evidence from being

00:18:01.480 revealed that would have freed them until you were forced to do so. There is no excuse for that.

00:18:06.480 And the people who suffered under your reign as prosecutor, you owe them an apology.

00:18:12.580 So that was the July 2019 debate in one of the most memorable exchanges in recent history between

00:18:19.380 now presumptive Democrat nominee Kamala Harris and our guest today, Tulsi Gabbard, former U.S.

00:18:25.200 representative as a Democrat and author of For Love of Country. And Tulsi's had a just very negative

00:18:32.460 experience with these Democrats who are now pulling the strings around Kamala Harris, too. But, you know,

00:18:38.580 we went back, even though we're friends and we fact checked everything you said, 100 percent accurate.

00:18:44.420 There isn't one word of that that was off. And it was pretty telling that she didn't deny it.

00:18:50.420 She just tried to pivot to I'm proud of my record. And so now she really is at a crossroads here because

00:18:57.740 she's got to figure out whether she wants to be the no cash bail is a good thing, Kamala Harris,

00:19:04.040 or the no, we don't like cash bail because it hurts minorities, Kamala Harris, and whether she's going

00:19:10.120 to be the we want to prosecute marijuana users, Kamala Harris, or the one who admitted to smoking

00:19:15.420 marijuana for recreation purposes on a show. Right. Like she's tried to reinvent herself so many

00:19:22.400 times. And now the cultural winds have shifted such that I think she's going to be a little

00:19:26.640 twisted on which way to land. What do you think? You know, first first, I think it's important to

00:19:33.880 look at how how was it possible? You said that was July twenty nineteen. Kamala Harris, I think,

00:19:39.820 announced her candidacy in January of twenty nineteen. How was it possible that I was the

00:19:45.820 first person, the first candidate running for president at that time and and really the first

00:19:51.200 person, even when you count the mainstream media to actually call her out and question her very

00:19:56.980 simply, as you pointed out, question her on her record that she said she was proud of as attorney

00:20:02.320 general. This is important to point out because it's a sign of what we should expect here for the

00:20:08.880 next three and a half months in this election, that the media is going to continue to push out

00:20:14.720 fluff stories about her. They are not going to seriously and honestly examine her record.

00:20:20.940 They're going to treat her with kid gloves and even worse yet, create this new false narrative

00:20:26.600 about who Kamala Harris is and to try to reshape her record. So we should be very clear eyed about

00:20:33.560 that, because as you said, what I found there, as you're as you and your researchers probably found,

00:20:38.360 it wasn't very hard to look at her record and what she's claiming to be proud of.

00:20:44.240 Second of all, there is far more to look at than I had in the 60 seconds on that debate stage

00:20:49.520 to bring up just a few. Defunding the police. I have no doubt she will say with a straight face

00:20:56.140 she did not support defunding the police. But the fact is that she did. She may have called it

00:21:01.460 reimagining law enforcement. But in reality, what she was advocating for, even as vice president,

00:21:07.500 was to take funding away from our law enforcement and divert it elsewhere. And this is coming. We've

00:21:15.420 seen in cities that have actually implemented this policy and what a failure it has been and how it

00:21:19.820 has made our communities in this country far less safe and increased crimes, violent crimes and so

00:21:27.060 forth, literally because they have defunded the police. You look back during her time as attorney

00:21:33.720 general. She promoted charging parents with a misdemeanor for truth to see if their kids missed

00:21:40.200 more than 10 percent of days in school. And she passed this into law and it negatively impacted

00:21:47.040 so many families who, for one reason or another, maybe they had pulled their kids out and were

00:21:52.200 homeschooling them or maybe a family member got sick and they weren't able to take their kids to school

00:21:56.640 for a whole number of reasons. She turned parents into criminals, charging them with misdemeanors that

00:22:02.960 could result in up to a year in jail, hauling single moms out of their homes in handcuffs.

00:22:10.320 This is the kind of top cop prosecutor that Kamala Harris is proud of being. We look at her time as a

00:22:17.120 member of the Judiciary Committee in the U.S. Senate, where she was dismissing Article 6 of the Constitution

00:22:24.320 that says there shall be no religious test. When she questioned Boucher, who was nominated by

00:22:30.360 President Trump to become a judge, accusing him of being unqualified to be a judge simply because of

00:22:36.840 his Catholic faith. And he was a member of the Knights of Columbus, accusing him of being part of some

00:22:42.280 nefarious group and, in fact, implementing a religious test in defiance of the Constitution.

00:22:49.140 There are a lot of other examples that we can give. But again, this is why it's so important

00:22:53.200 that we point out her actual record. And when you have someone who doesn't believe in the rule of

00:22:59.360 law, as we've seen with the Biden-Harris administration's lawfare that's been taking

00:23:04.040 place, politicizing our public institutions, the Department of Justice and Judiciary and

00:23:10.160 law enforcement to go after their political opponents, foremost of which is Donald Trump,

00:23:15.040 but also including peaceful pro-life protesters and others who dare to challenge their agenda and

00:23:21.840 their position. She wants to be the top cop and the prosecutor president, as she has claimed.

00:23:29.240 We should be very concerned about that because she doesn't respect the Constitution. She is not

00:23:34.180 willing to uphold the oath that she took to support and defend the Constitution. And so the lawfare that

00:23:40.300 we've seen under the Biden-Harris administration, we can only assume, would only get worse as she seeks to

00:23:46.940 exercise her muscle in that respect. There has to be a reckoning with her record as Attorney General,

00:23:53.140 as U.S. Senator, and as Vice President. And I believe that most Americans, when presented with

00:23:59.080 the truth, as you pointed out in that moment in the debate, will realize how dangerous she would be

00:24:06.140 if she is to be given these levers of power to abuse.

00:24:10.440 Mm hmm. I mean, this is in addition to wanting Medicare for all and to eliminate our private

00:24:17.600 insurance plans, wanting to eliminate the filibuster so that she can pass the Green New Deal and take

00:24:23.300 away airplanes and cars and cows. This is actually stuff she's on the record with, not to mention her

00:24:30.920 abortion policies. But here she is back in June of 2020, wanting to appease a riled up Democratic base

00:24:40.320 in the wake of the George Floyd situation, being pretty clear about how she felt about cops on the

00:24:47.560 street. Look at this. It is outdated and is actually wrong and backward to think that more police officers

00:24:55.700 will create more safety. A big part of this conversation really is about reimagining how we

00:25:02.920 do public safety in America, which I support, which is this. We have confused the idea that to achieve

00:25:13.140 safety, you put more cops on the street. You know, for far too long, the status quo thinking

00:25:18.780 has been to believe that by putting more police on the street, you're going to have more safety.

00:25:23.860 And that's just wrong. It's just that's not how it works.

00:25:27.860 So that's that's the new Kamala Harris, right? Not not the old one who is a D.A. and a prosecutor.

00:25:34.340 The new one is we don't need more cops. Fewer cops is the way. And now here we are four years later,

00:25:39.860 we've seen what a disaster that's been in particular for communities of color.

00:25:44.560 Tulsi, those are the ones who got hurt the worst by that insane policy that she helped push.

00:25:49.720 You know, those clips, that string of clips you just played, really, once again, exposes her lack of

00:25:57.280 knowledge and understanding and intelligence to be so simplistic as to say, well, more cops doesn't

00:26:03.880 lead to safer streets. Well, it's a much bigger challenge than this. My sister served in law

00:26:09.680 enforcement. I have a lot of friends who are serving in local, state, county, federal law enforcement.

00:26:15.900 It's about investing in in our fellow Americans who make this very selfless choice to go and put

00:26:23.540 their lives and well-being and safety on the line every single day to make our communities safe.

00:26:28.740 It's not a matter of just mere numbers. It's about investing in them, their training and their

00:26:34.680 capabilities to be able to face the kinds of extreme challenges that they do on a on a daily basis.

00:26:41.840 It's about making sure that we have systems in place to be able to support them as as they deal

00:26:48.040 with these very traumatic situations and make it so that they are in a position to be most successful

00:26:54.480 building those relationships with our communities, investing in local police officers who are serving

00:27:00.120 their local communities and making it so that they and their families have that safety and security

00:27:06.060 of knowing that they're cared for. It's taking this holistic approach to this challenge that we've been

00:27:10.960 dealing with with law enforcement and increasingly more dangerous streets, equipping them with what

00:27:16.560 they need in order to accomplish the reason why so many people become law enforcement in the first

00:27:22.240 place, which is to serve and to protect. That is what we should be. She's got a record time and time

00:27:29.220 again of demonizing the cops. No matter the situation, she's against the police. When Jussie Smollett

00:27:37.620 came up with his nonsense story and said he was attacked and that anybody saying he wasn't was a

00:27:42.580 liar. She sided with him. She came out and said this about him. One of the kindest, most gentle human

00:27:48.740 beings I know. I'm praying for his quick recovery. This was an attempted modern day lynching. No one

00:27:54.520 should have to fear for their life because of their sexuality or color of their skin. We must confront

00:27:58.440 this hate again, not directly involving the police, but there was a race thing and that's underlying

00:28:03.120 these attacks on cops. Then came Jacob Blake who attacked cops. He went after cops with a knife

00:28:11.320 and rather than waiting for the facts. And by the way, you could see the cops were under threat in the

00:28:16.480 videos that first came out. If you were just open-minded, um, she piled on the cops there. And here's what

00:28:23.500 she said in August of 2020. Saw 29. We also see pain, hurt, and destruction in the aftermath of yet another

00:28:34.420 black man shot by police. Jacob Blake shot seven times in the back in broad daylight in front of his

00:28:45.280 three young sons. It's sickening to watch. It's all too familiar and it must end, but he is fighting

00:28:55.340 for his life and he shouldn't have to be. My heart goes out to the Blake family as they endure an ordeal

00:29:03.520 that is tragically common in our country. Tragically common with those terrible cops. And just to put a

00:29:11.480 point on it, this is the same woman who was bailing out BLM protesters, raising money to bail them out,

00:29:17.420 rioters. Um, here was Jacob Blake, the person she was, she said specifically, not in that clip,

00:29:24.160 she was proud of him. She's out there condemning the cops. It's all too common, you know, for these

00:29:29.740 racist cops to shoot a black man who's unarmed and not a threat. Here was Jacob Blake after the fact

00:29:36.000 giving an interview on Good Morning America. I realized I had dropped my knife. I had a little

00:29:42.120 pocket knife. So I picked it up after I got off of him because they tased me and I fell on top of him.

00:29:50.820 With an open knife in hand that Blake says fell out of his pocket, he walks around the front of the

00:29:55.900 vehicle towards the driver's side door. What are you thinking at that point? I'm not really worried.

00:30:01.480 I'm walking away from them. So it's not like they're going to shoot me. I shouldn't have picked

00:30:06.100 it up. Right. She never apologized to the cops involved in the Jacob Blake situation. She never

00:30:14.260 owned up to her lies about Jussie Smollett. She's anti-cop now because that's what serves her best

00:30:22.420 politically. We shouldn't be surprised to hear how that story changes here in the next few months as

00:30:30.200 she recognizes how much of our country truly values all that our law enforcement do every day. I think

00:30:37.120 this is going to be one issue of many where like what happened on the 2020 campaign, she will come up

00:30:44.620 with whatever she feels she needs to say in order to try to win this election in November. I think even

00:30:52.580 back in 2020, it got to a point where her changing message and narrative really occurred like from

00:30:59.780 Monday to Tuesday. You're not talking about a years long shift in her belief and position on a specific

00:31:05.340 issue. Her positions on many of the issues that we've talked about today flip-flops so many times

00:31:10.660 within the course of a week. Even the New York Times and the Washington Post were forced to call her

00:31:15.580 out for this saying that we don't actually even know what Kamala Harris is advocating for. This is

00:31:21.860 very likely going to continue to happen here and we need to call her out for it every time because her

00:31:27.220 record speaks for itself. Meanwhile, you know, the underlying left wing, obviously, you know, far left

00:31:35.920 progressive California native is going to take a beating on actual policies. I made reference to outside of

00:31:44.080 law enforcement, some of the far left things she's pushed. This is coming up already. And this ad,

00:31:50.560 our first panel mentioned it. We have it. It's out of Pennsylvania where the Senate candidate

00:31:54.980 McCormick is running this against Bob Casey, who is the Democrat. Democrat is the, is Casey. Dave

00:32:01.400 McCormick is the Republican. Casey's a three-term incumbent and it's a Senate race there. Casey's ahead

00:32:06.960 by six points out there. You know, it's easier when you're the incumbent, but he just endorsed Kamala

00:32:12.360 Harris and Pennsylvania, of course, is ground zero in this presidential contest as well. So we're

00:32:17.600 watching the Senate or watching the presidential contest and take a look at this ad, which is

00:32:22.720 already generating a lot of attention online. Kamala Harris is inspiring and very capable. The more

00:32:29.840 people get to know her, they're going to be particularly impressed by her ability.

00:32:33.840 The nonpartisan GovTrack has rated you as the most liberal Senator.

00:32:38.780 I am prepared to get rid of the filibuster to pass a Green New Deal. There's no question

00:32:43.600 I'm in favor of banning fracking. Would you ban offshore drilling? Yes. What is the solution

00:32:47.560 for voters in the fossil fuel industry? Giving the workers an ability to transition. We're not

00:32:53.120 going to treat people who are undocumented across the border as criminals. That's correct. Raise

00:32:57.020 your hand if you think it should be a civil offense rather than a crime across the border without

00:33:02.420 documentation. Abolish ICE. Yeah. Is that a position you agree with? We need to probably think

00:33:08.060 about starting from scratch. Outdated. It is wrongheaded thinking to think that the only

00:33:13.240 way you're going to get communities to be safe is to put more police officers on the street.

00:33:17.080 Why do you support changing the dietary guidelines? Yes. You know, the food pyramid. What were

00:33:21.120 people interested? Yes. Yes. To reduce red meat specifically. Yes. People who are convicted

00:33:25.060 in prison, like the Boston Marathon bomber, on death row, people who are convicted of sexual

00:33:29.880 assault, they should be able to vote? I think we should have that conversation. We have to have a

00:33:33.380 buyback program and I support a mandatory buyback program. So for people out there who like their

00:33:37.780 insurance, they don't get to keep it. Let's eliminate all of that. Let's move on.

00:33:42.400 I'm opposed to any policy that would deny any human being public health, period.

00:33:48.720 The more people get to know her, they're going to be particularly impressed by her ability.

00:33:54.620 I mean, that is just devastating. Those are her actual positions. Those are her actual words.

00:34:00.340 That's a very compelling montage of Kamala Harris, the real Kamala Harris that people should be paying

00:34:09.620 attention to. You know, these same policies that she's talking about in that montage of ads are

00:34:16.720 exactly what we've seen, quite frankly, reflected in the Biden-Harris administration of the last three

00:34:22.160 and a half years. As hard as she tries to perhaps run away from some of these positions that she has

00:34:30.240 very clearly taken for years in the past and that have been shown through and reflected in the Biden-Harris

00:34:36.020 administration, the most important thing is for voters to not fall for it. I think that's a very

00:34:41.960 powerful ad that represents who Kamala Harris is and frankly represents the positions of the Democrat

00:34:49.420 elite, the power elite, who have been pulling the strings and calling the shots throughout this

00:34:55.440 administration and what their goals and objectives are. Those who she will follow their orders and be

00:35:02.380 beholden to as she becomes the Democratic nominee and if she is allowed to become president of the United

00:35:08.860 States. It's really crazy to hear her say she wants to ban fossil fuels. She wants to ban fracking. We know

00:35:16.840 she also wants to ban nuclear power. She wants to do it all with windmills and solar power. Meanwhile,

00:35:23.340 there was just a disaster with the windmills in Nantucket where one of these windmills came down

00:35:29.820 and all of its toxicity is pumping into the ocean to the point where on the nearby beaches,

00:35:36.340 they're having to wear hazmat suits now to clean up some of the shards of this thing.

00:35:41.320 And that's their answer to everything. There's absolutely no care for the environmental consequences

00:35:47.160 of, you know, these new toxic fangled things like the windmills, like the solar panels and how much

00:35:56.280 digging they have to do and not to mention the electric car batteries, right? It's all just

00:36:00.100 something that makes them feel better about green energy and the consequences to the actual earth be

00:36:05.180 damned. That's just one of the many things that I hope to hear more on in the coming days and we will

00:36:09.360 actually be reporting more on that windmill disaster. On this, Megan, I was on a long flight

00:36:15.080 yesterday and was talking with one of the flight attendants and she brought up politics and what's

00:36:21.120 going on in the breaking news. And really for her, one of the main takeaways I have from the conversation

00:36:25.980 was she said, look, I care about having clean air to breathe and clean water to drink. I just don't

00:36:33.980 want to drive an electric vehicle. I want to be able to drive the car or truck that I choose to.

00:36:40.580 And I thought it was such an important statement that she made because it really cuts to the heart

00:36:45.180 of of the the dichotomy and the huge contrast between what we're seeing coming from today's

00:36:51.720 Democrat Party and the Democrat elite versus what we're seeing coming from President Trump and largely

00:36:56.920 the Republican Party of today, the Democrat elite wanting to take away our right to individual

00:37:03.720 liberty, our freedom to make these choices for ourselves. If you want to drive an electric

00:37:08.160 vehicle, you should be able to do so. If you don't want to drive an electric vehicle, you want to drive

00:37:12.400 a Ford F-150, you should be able to do so. And that that really is the thing here that I think most

00:37:18.940 Americans will recognize is we don't want the government to force us to to eat what they tell us to eat or to

00:37:26.060 drive whatever they tell us to drive. When it comes down to the choices that we make for ourselves and

00:37:31.660 our families, we should have the freedom to make those choices. And that to me, it comes down to

00:37:37.520 freedom. It comes down to liberty and one of very limited government going back to what our founders

00:37:43.840 envisioned for us at a federal level, decentralization, valuing our individual liberty and freedom of

00:37:50.200 choice versus the Democrats who believe in big brother, big government. They know what is better

00:37:57.280 for us than we do for ourselves. And so they will take away our right to make those individual choices.

00:38:04.600 And that is what is most dangerous about what today's Democrat Party and Kamala Harris represent

00:38:09.800 and what their goals and objectives are. Coming up, Marco Rubio, Marty McCary, Kristi Noem and more.

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00:39:22.900 One of the appointments I'm most excited about is Marty McCary. He is a Johns Hopkins surgical

00:39:33.840 oncologist. I mean, you don't get more accomplished than that. And he's been appointed by Trump to take

00:39:41.000 over at the FDA, the Food and Drug Administration. This thing has been deeply problematic in keeping you

00:39:50.160 sick. Go watch dope sick. Go pay any attention to what RFKJ has been saying, the revolving door,

00:39:57.000 the conflicts of interest, and just the ridiculousness that that organization has been

00:40:01.560 pushing on us for far too long on what's allegedly healthy and what's not, what's allegedly good for

00:40:07.220 us and our kids and what's not. Marty McCary is one of the ones who saw through the COVID nonsense

00:40:12.340 very early. And one of the other reasons I love him is because he recently wrote a book that's

00:40:18.740 perfectly in line with the Maha philosophy, RFKJ and Cali Means and Casey Means and these others.

00:40:24.860 And, you know, he came to this on his own, given his expertise. He was on recently to promote it.

00:40:29.280 It's called Blind Spots, When Medicine Gets It Wrong. And just the, you know, the name of it is

00:40:34.820 encouraging, is it not? Anyway, I love this guy. I think you will too. Dr. Marty McCary for FDA.

00:40:42.100 Let's talk about, first of all, why you thought this was necessary.

00:40:44.920 Well, groupthink is a powerful force. And in medicine, we get sort of medical dogma that takes

00:40:51.380 on a life of its own and it permeates. And what we develop are these giant blind spots,

00:40:57.200 these areas of medicine and health that affect every aspect of everything we're doing, of every

00:41:02.840 person's health, but we never talk about them. The microbiome, the poison food supply,

00:41:08.480 the toxins we're exposed to, the bad recommendations that we put out there, the fact that some of our

00:41:16.520 modern-day health crises have been caused by the hubris of the medical establishment.

00:41:21.900 We said opioids were not addictive, igniting the opioid epidemic.

00:41:26.360 Yes.

00:41:26.740 We said we gave the wrong advice on peanut allergies, igniting the modern-day peanut allergy epidemic.

00:41:32.200 So when we use good science in medicine, we can help a lot of people. But when we use the opinions

00:41:40.200 of a small group of leaders and central planners in medicine, where they issue these broad edicts,

00:41:46.360 we have a lousy track record. Food pyramid, the opioid epidemic, the obesity epidemic. So we've got to

00:41:53.480 take a step back and actually ask, why is cancer doubling in many areas of GI cancer? My area of

00:42:00.620 pancreas, I'm a pancreas specialist at Hopkins. We do more pancreatic care and pancreas cancer than

00:42:05.820 any hospital in America. Never at any point in my 20-plus years there did anyone ever stop and say,

00:42:14.560 why has pancreas cancer doubled in the last 20 years? Now, they're all good people. They're my

00:42:19.420 friends. They're great doctors. But we have done this terrible thing to doctors. We've put them on this

00:42:23.860 war path where all they do is put out fires at the end stage. No one's asking the big questions. No one's

00:42:29.600 asking, why has autism been going up 14% each year for the last 23 years? Why are half our nation's

00:42:37.980 children obese or overweight? Why are nearly a quarter of them dealing with fatty liver and

00:42:44.780 prediabetes? I mean, this is a well-being issue for the country. It's a national security issue.

00:42:51.580 It is an issue of the economy. This entire over-medicated population is a massive burden.

00:43:01.040 I mean, a $4.7 trillion economy that's expanding like crazy. And we're sort of told by the politicians,

00:43:08.800 oh, we were able to get Medicare to negotiate drug prices and save $6 billion in the first year.

00:43:15.040 Okay, that's great. But that's a drop in the ocean. We've got this much bigger blind spot

00:43:21.440 in modern medicine.

00:43:23.200 So why is it like this? Is it all because of the power of big pharma to line its own pockets and

00:43:29.460 get people to go along with it?

00:43:30.800 Pharma controls the narrative. They've captured the big health agencies. They've created this culture.

00:43:36.780 First of all, it's very hard to do research unless big pharma is paying for it or the NIH has a

00:43:43.280 designated center. So who at the NIH is interested in the fact that sperm counts have gone down 50%

00:43:50.720 in the last five decades, or that the average age of puberty is going down each year, or that kids

00:43:56.500 feel sick more and more, that autoimmune diseases are going up, that attention deficit disorder is now

00:44:01.920 epidemic, or 40% of our kids will have a mental health diagnosis. Who at the NIH is going to study

00:44:09.160 the microbiome, pesticides, heavy metals, the poison food supply, these food additives that are

00:44:16.300 engineered to be addictive. So when you eat them, your appetite increases, even though you kind of

00:44:24.160 feel full. And what's happening is all these foreign molecules, these chemicals that are now

00:44:29.820 rampant, including the derivatives of seed oils, they go down the GI tract, which has a lymphatic system,

00:44:38.100 an immune system in the wall of the intestine. And it's not reacting to these foreign molecules and

00:44:46.200 chemicals with a sudden reaction. It's reacting with a low level immune fighting of this stuff. And it

00:44:54.600 makes you feel blah, makes you feel sick and sad sometimes. And what are we doing? We have told doctors,

00:45:01.880 you only have your medications to do and your operations to do. We haven't given doctors the

00:45:08.040 time or resources or research funding to deal with the root causes. And so they've lived in these blind

00:45:15.200 spots. We never talk about them. We never talk about these issues at the top medical centers. Trust me,

00:45:20.680 I've gone as far as you can go in academic medicine, all the accolades and tenure. And no one is talking

00:45:27.000 about the biggest issues in health because of these blind spots. I think we've got good people

00:45:31.800 working in a bad system where the culture has said, put your head down, do your job, you'll be

00:45:36.380 rewarded. You'll make back all this debt that you got in medical school. By the way, we take these highly

00:45:42.820 creative students out of college. They want to save the world, have big ideas. They're altruistic.

00:45:50.800 Heck, 90% of our applicants are so want to do medical missions, if not full-time, part-time as

00:45:56.900 a side of their practice. And we take these bright, creative young folks and we beat them down with

00:46:02.560 this old guard dinosaur curriculum. Memorize and regurgitate. Memorize these thousands of drugs and

00:46:09.700 learn to get an eye, a hawk eye for when you can use them. And oh, there's an indication. Here you go.

00:46:15.080 There's an indication. Here you go. We put them on this treadmill where they have 10-minute visits,

00:46:20.160 15-minute visits, and they're just diagnosing and treating and doling out diagnoses and meds.

00:46:26.740 We've done a terrible thing to these doctors, to these young folks.

00:46:30.840 It's depressing. I went to my eye doctor the other day and the eye doctor's great, but I could see the

00:46:37.260 schedule. I needed a follow-up and I could see they pulled up the schedule. I mean, this person was

00:46:41.580 double booked every day, all day for every 10-minute interval for weeks. I thought, how much care?

00:46:50.160 Can they be giving each of these patients? It's a crazy hamster wheel. And I was on it and I got

00:46:56.640 off of it. I said, I'm going to focus on my passion, which is public health research. I had a degree in

00:47:02.280 public health in medical school that I got. I got basically walked away from medicine after three

00:47:09.180 years of medical school. Disillusioned. This isn't for me. What are we doing? And I enrolled in

00:47:14.980 graduate school for public health. I ended up coming back to medicine. I missed the bedside

00:47:19.640 care and I love being a surgeon. But after being on this treadmill that everybody gets on,

00:47:25.540 I said, no more dangling bonuses at the end of the year. I don't care what my throughput is. The

00:47:31.040 system is designed for throughput and billing and coding. Why do you think we have 35% of doctors

00:47:37.420 burn out and doctors are one of the highest professions for suicide? We're doing a terrible

00:47:41.980 thing to these people. And a lot of doctors now are rejecting it. They're saying, we're not going

00:47:47.220 to have anything to do with this. Half of my students at Johns Hopkins don't want to have

00:47:50.840 anything to do with this crazy broken system. They don't care about the big pay and the house in the

00:47:55.980 suburb. They want to be a part of something bigger. They want to deal with the root causes. They want to

00:48:01.900 start businesses. They're entrepreneurial. They're getting second degrees. They want to spend time

00:48:07.160 in a Medicare Advantage model where basically they get paid on a lump sum for a population.

00:48:13.640 They can spend an hour and talk about the sleep quality of a person that affects their blood

00:48:19.240 pressure, not just doling out antihypertensives. Maybe we need to talk about school lunch programs

00:48:25.020 instead of putting every kid on Ozempic. Maybe we need to talk about treating diabetes with cooking

00:48:30.240 classes instead of throwing insulin at people. Maybe we need to talk about environmental exposures

00:48:35.360 that cause cancer, not just the chemotherapy to treat it. We're going backwards. We're watching

00:48:41.820 all of these chronic diseases consume our culture, and we've got to get off this myopic focus.

00:48:48.280 So luckily, good stuff is happening. A lot of doctors are speaking up. They're getting off

00:48:53.940 the treadmill. They're spending time with patients. They're coming up with their own models for care,

00:48:58.500 financial models. And a bunch of us docs are going directly to the public to educate them

00:49:04.340 about health. Yes. It's so revolutionary, and it's brave because these are very big,

00:49:09.840 powerful forces that have a financial interest, frankly, in keeping us sick who don't really want

00:49:15.040 to see this. The nutrition aspect of it is huge, and it's almost never discussed at a medical visit.

00:49:22.720 You know, they might say you're obese, you're overweight, you need to lose weight. But actually,

00:49:27.100 you know, the stuff about, you know, we talked before the show about Casey Means and her new book,

00:49:30.780 the stuff about, you know, seed oils that you mentioned, the stuff about preservatives and

00:49:36.400 the toxins in our food, you know, the poisoning of the food supplies, you point out, all this,

00:49:40.480 you know, herbicide or whatever, insecticide all over our fruit and our vegetables that some people

00:49:45.920 don't even know to really seriously wash off. Never mind not buy if you can. Not to mention

00:49:51.280 microplastics in the air and the water and our furniture and then the, you know, fire repellents on

00:49:57.580 our rugs. And I mean, all it's just a toxic world. A lot of people don't even know about it. And

00:50:03.440 frankly, just me listing it, they're like, I can't, I'm out. I got other things to deal with. I can't

00:50:09.240 deal with all that. Like a bunch of us are trying to give a different perspective than the perspective

00:50:14.960 the food industry and big ag and pharma have been putting in front of people for a long time,

00:50:19.940 telling doctors, you don't need to look into arsenic levels in the water. The EPA says,

00:50:26.000 you can have up to 10 micrograms per liter of arsenic in your water. Where do they come up with that

00:50:32.520 number from? Oh my gosh. I didn't know that. I mean, they're making stuff up. I mean, this is where

00:50:37.660 we get into trouble. This is why distrust goes down in the establishment. So you draw the blood of a baby

00:50:45.360 today through the umbilical cord and there's 287 forever compounds. How about research on those

00:50:53.100 compounds? How about research on the seed oil derivatives? How about research on the pesticides

00:50:59.540 that have hormone effects in children, which may explain the declining fertility and lowering age of

00:51:06.540 puberty instead of research on bat coronaviruses in Wuhan and Japanese quail who that they give

00:51:15.860 cocaine to and they watch their sexual. These are real studies funded by the government. So we have

00:51:21.020 had terrible leaders in the medical establishment. And so a bunch of us, Peter Atiyah, Casey and

00:51:26.920 Kelly Means, Vinay Prasad, Zubin Damani, we feel like now we're going to go directly to public and

00:51:33.580 educate them about the real story on health because there is a huge body of literature on all these

00:51:40.060 topics you talk about from microplastics to the microbiome. And people need to know about it so they

00:51:45.060 can make better choices every day. That's one benefit of COVID is it did expose our medical

00:51:52.180 leaders as agenda-driven and in many cases not trustworthy like Fauci and the NIH. And we learned

00:52:01.280 to try to do an end around to find the doctors who we actually trusted. You were chief among them.

00:52:07.720 I know you worked with Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, who we love, and we were the first, I think,

00:52:11.500 to put him on when he and his colleagues wrote their paper or the Great Barrington Declaration

00:52:16.860 talking about focused protection. And Vinay Prasad has been amazing. I've watched all of his stuff on

00:52:23.260 myocarditis for young people because I have three kids. We did not get them the COVID vaccine and I'm

00:52:28.120 thrilled we didn't. I wish I could say the same for myself. But anyway, I think it was a good lesson

00:52:33.960 for us in question everyone. Find end arounds. In the same way media, right? Question everything.

00:52:40.280 Find the people you trust as opposed to entire establishments. Yeah, we don't want to create

00:52:44.900 cynicism or hysteria. If you have an emergency, do whatever the doctor says. But when it comes to

00:52:50.440 chronic diseases, when it comes to irritable bowel or why somebody is developing autoimmunity,

00:52:56.860 we don't really ever talk about this stuff in medicine. You mentioned food and nutrition.

00:53:02.880 I gave the keynote speech. I was invited to give the keynote speech several years ago at the big

00:53:08.940 nutrition conference. This is the biggest conference on nutrition. For doctors?

00:53:13.860 For dieticians, for nutritionists and dieticians. And so I gave my keynote speech. Of course,

00:53:19.640 I like to push the field, as you've observed. And afterwards, a woman who is from the milk lobby

00:53:28.060 comes and gives me her perspective when I talked about why are we taking out natural fat and adding

00:53:34.120 sugar? Like, what are we doing? We're doing it backwards. Like, there's nothing wrong with natural

00:53:39.340 fat. It doesn't cause heart disease like we thought. And she says they're one of the two big sponsors of

00:53:46.000 the nutrition conference. The other sponsor I find out is Coca-Cola. Oh, come on.

00:53:50.520 So this is a, um, people are not getting the real story on health.

00:53:55.240 Up next, Senator Marco Rubio, soon to be, we believe, Secretary of State.

00:54:01.080 The October 15th deadline has come and gone. Are you prepared for what's coming? It's scary. Let's

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00:55:05.940 Senator Marco Rubio might be seen as the most mainstream pick.

00:55:10.020 Donald Trump has made in a very key role as Secretary of State. His confirmation should

00:55:15.200 be an absolute breeze. You already have some Democrats saying that they'll vote for him.

00:55:19.220 Senator Rubio joined me back in January of 2022. It was episode 241 to talk about the divisive

00:55:26.040 rhetoric coming from President Biden and the Dems and their failures when it came to the economy.

00:55:31.140 With inflation now at record high in 40 years, right? And the supply chain crisis is not over,

00:55:39.600 not by a long shot. Have you tried to buy a dishwasher lately? My goodness. Good luck.

00:55:43.480 Literally, we were told we had to wait a year, a year. I mean, like, OK, he's decided to focus on

00:55:50.540 voting rights. Build Back Better fell apart. He couldn't get it through. And now his switch is to

00:55:54.940 voting rights, which helps the American people right now in their, you know, kitchen sort of table

00:56:00.620 issues. I how I don't know. But I want to give you a flavor and get you to react to how he's describing

00:56:08.120 the stakes, why he says he's so focused on this right now. Here's a compilation of a speech he gave

00:56:13.900 in Georgia on Tuesday. Listen. Today, we come to Atlanta, the cradle of civil rights, to make clear

00:56:24.060 what must come after that dreadful day when a dagger was literally held at the throat of American

00:56:33.680 democracy. They want chaos to reign. We want the people to rule. Jim Crow 2.0 is about two

00:56:43.740 insidious things. Voter suppression and election subversion. At consequential moments in history,

00:56:52.280 they present a choice. Do you want to be on the side of Dr. King or George Wallace?

00:57:00.180 Do you want to be on the side of John Lewis or Bull Connor? Do you want to be on the side of Abraham

00:57:06.740 Lincoln or Jefferson Davis? Well, there you have it, Senator. I guess he would say you're on the side

00:57:13.260 of Jefferson Davis and Bull Connor because this is about his voting rights proposal, which

00:57:19.460 essentially seeks to federalize elections, but he would say it seeks to make them more fair and

00:57:26.460 protect voter rights. Your thoughts on his comments? Yeah. And there's a lot to unpack here. The first

00:57:31.660 thing I would say is that even some Democrats were sort of embarrassed by, you see that in some of their

00:57:35.760 statements, a little bit embarrassed by how far the speech went. Almost overcompensating,

00:57:40.580 you know, I guess for the failures and things of that nature. So that kind of hyperbole actually

00:57:45.020 backfires. People look at it and shake their heads. I would tell you that most of the people I've talked

00:57:48.860 to on real earth, you know, not Washington bubble, didn't even know that speech happened. Didn't even

00:57:55.440 know that this was happening. Doesn't make it unimportant because they're trying to change the

00:57:58.500 election law and have a federal takeover. But I think your point is the number one issue, like if you

00:58:02.780 went and asked people in this country, what are the top 10 things on your mind? This wouldn't even be on

00:58:06.460 the top 50 because it's easier than ever to vote in America. It just simply is. And the numbers bear

00:58:11.380 that out. So there's two things at play here. I think the first is a desire for power. They

00:58:16.520 certainly view this as the perfect issue in which to break the filibuster. If they can break, if there

00:58:20.780 is no Senate filibuster, they can't, they not only can pass this voting bill, they can pack the Supreme

00:58:26.640 Court. They can make DC a state. There's all kinds of things that they could do if there were no

00:58:31.300 filibuster. And so number one, it's about that. And I think number two, frankly, is about politics.

00:58:36.560 I think Chuck Schumer is afraid to get primaried in New York. AOC has not ruled out running for

00:58:41.920 Senate against him. I think a lot of Democrats, particularly Chuck Schumer in a state like New

00:58:45.860 York, see that over the last few years, you've had longtime incumbents taken out by people from

00:58:50.640 the far left, and they're concerned about it. Maybe he thinks he's still going to win, but doesn't

00:58:53.800 want to go through that process. There's a tremendous amount of pressure coming from the base of the

00:58:58.040 party, particularly radical elements of the base. And this just this month just happens to be the

00:59:03.740 turn of those who are out there saying right now that there's some sort of, as he called it, Jim

00:59:08.420 Crow 2.0, which is absurd. And most Americans will tell you it's absurd. Can I ask you about politics?

00:59:13.140 Because to me, the politics of this whole voting rights thing has not made any sense. I know I am

00:59:18.500 just a journalist, so I don't totally get it. But it was clear that he did not have the votes to get rid of

00:59:25.360 the filibuster, either for a limited purpose, like he says, you know, just to get the voting rights

00:59:29.500 law through or on a wider basis. And it was pretty clear he might not even have the votes for the

00:59:34.900 voting rights legislation itself. And yet he's running around saying we're doing it, giving

00:59:39.980 speeches. Chuck Schumer saying I'm bringing it to a vote. It's happening. And then, of course,

00:59:44.440 Kyrsten Sinema, you know, this week is like, no, yeah, it's not happening. I'm not supporting a

00:59:48.520 Democrat. Right. So they don't have the votes. They knew they didn't have the votes. So why were they

00:59:52.620 making such a thing? It's like they did the same thing with Build Back Better. Like we're going to

00:59:56.320 do it. We've got it. And like Manchin was never on board. Why do they keep embarrassing themselves?

00:59:59.960 This is an easy thing to avoid. Yeah, there's a pattern in politics. So what happens is you win

01:00:04.700 an election. You have a 50 50 Senate, a very narrow majority in the House. But your base, the most

01:00:09.020 radical elements, the people who give you $50 a month online, who knock on doors, who make the phone

01:00:14.580 calls, who who if they're not energized, you have no chance of winning elections. Those people think we

01:00:19.760 have a mandate and they say, OK, you won. It doesn't matter if you won by one vote, one point

01:00:23.740 or you won by 20. You won. And now we expect you to do all the things you promised. And so they go

01:00:28.820 out there and they try to do these things and they're not going to pass. But they're angry at

01:00:32.440 them and they're saying, well, at least try. You have to at least try. It happens in politics. It

01:00:36.200 happens to both sides in some cases. You know you're not going to win something. But if you don't at

01:00:39.920 least show you're fighting, then your base gets really angry at you. Then they get turned off. They

01:00:44.420 won't show up. They won't give money and you get destroyed because you can't win an election these days

01:00:49.240 if your base is not energized. So that's what this is about. It's not just about Chuck Schumer.

01:00:53.520 Personally, think about how selfish this is. This may, he thinks, may help send off a primary

01:00:58.560 challenge. But he has all these Democrats running in states that are somewhat vulnerable and they're

01:01:03.900 being put on the spot on this thing. And they're going to have to go out there now and take positions

01:01:06.980 on it and dividing his own conference over that. But it's all a base plate because they have to be

01:01:12.080 able to go to the base and say, we tried, we fought. But these two guys over here and the racist

01:01:16.760 Republicans wouldn't let us move forward. And that's what this is. It's as simple as that.

01:01:21.440 They say, and I want to get to the accusations of racism because they're coming in by the minute

01:01:25.780 against Kyrsten Sinema now and others. But they say, look, we have to have this new voting rights

01:01:31.180 law because of January 6th, because the Republicans are trying to change laws across the nation to make

01:01:37.960 it easier for the vote to be thrown out. And January 6th proved that, you know, we need more federal

01:01:45.420 control of how these things get certified and go down. There was a moment where you tried to address

01:01:50.340 that rationale. We cut the soundbite because we found it kind of interesting. This is soundbite

01:01:55.600 five. I'm going to play it and then get you to add to it. I think almost everyone would tell you

01:02:00.040 that what happened on January 6th year was a terrible thing. It should never have happened

01:02:03.440 and it should never happen again. But I don't care how many candlelight vigils and musical

01:02:08.340 performances you have from the cast of Hamilton. You're not going to convince at least more,

01:02:12.560 most normal, insane people that our government last year was almost overthrown by a guy wearing

01:02:17.680 a Viking hat and Speedos. OK, well, they've they've issued their first arrest for a guy charged

01:02:24.740 with, quote, sedition now. Does that change your opinion? No, I look at my opinion is that what

01:02:31.280 happened on January 6th was a terrible thing. Crimes were committed on that day and the people that are

01:02:35.560 responsible for that should be charged, should be put on trial and if convicted, should serve sentences

01:02:39.960 for it. And and I continue to believe that I believe that from the moment it started, I don't

01:02:44.380 care who you are. I don't care what your banner is. I don't care whose side you're on, who you voted

01:02:48.500 for, whether you agree with me on issues or not. You can't do what happened on that day. You can't do

01:02:53.020 it in the Capitol and you can't do it in the 700 different riots took place in the summer of 2020

01:02:58.160 across this country. You cannot do it. And those are crimes that need to be prosecuted and people need

01:03:03.060 to be put on trial and hopefully convicted for it. That is separate from the argument that somehow

01:03:07.760 this was an orchestrated effort to overthrow the government of United States America. That just is

01:03:12.540 not true. We were nowhere close to that. That was not going to happen. And so I think what happens

01:03:17.280 is when you exaggerate these things, you lose credibility. When you lose credibility, then we lose the

01:03:21.920 ability to analyze these things for what they truly are. And in many cases, you sort of empower the worst

01:03:27.900 elements. You know, you go around calling if everyone is a racist, if that becomes just a throwaway line.

01:03:32.540 Numb to it. And then you really can't call out the people that are racist or that are doing things

01:03:40.620 that are race-based as a result of it. And it's the same thing with this. You know, what happened

01:03:45.340 that day, you don't have to be, most people in the, on normal people are able to do, to say what

01:03:51.700 happened on a day was wrong and it shouldn't have happened, but it also is an equivalent of Pearl Harbor

01:03:56.460 where the U.S. was pulled into a world war that, that ended up killing 3% of the global population.

01:04:02.080 These are stupid things for people to say, particularly a vice president of the United States

01:04:05.940 as an example. Yeah. The, and that's how she opened her remarks the other day. I mean, comparing

01:04:10.740 it to, to 9-11 too. It's like so disrespectful. I think the, the Democrats though continue and the

01:04:17.500 press helps trying to call the senators, the lawmakers, anyone who's not in favor of the voting rights

01:04:24.520 bill or eliminating the filibuster, which is very controversial or that build back better plan,

01:04:32.680 which of course is just a list, a laundry list of democratic wish items, wishlist items,

01:04:37.360 uh, bigots. Uh, this is a sample we have from MSNBC. They're, they're going after Joe Manchin

01:04:41.740 and some others. Cause of course, Manchin stopped build back better. He's also reportedly not in favor

01:04:46.680 of eliminating the filibuster, something Joe Biden opposed for almost his entire career until he became

01:04:52.280 the president. Uh, and Kyrsten Sinema is taking her fair shot of these accusations as well. This

01:04:57.560 is soundbite night. But if Chris Coombs, John Tester, Mark Kelly, Kyrsten Sinema and Joe Manchin

01:05:04.760 want to be on the side of, of George Wallace, want to be on the side of Strom Thurmond and many others

01:05:11.400 who stood in the way of civil rights, even Strom Thurmond came around on voting rights. But if they

01:05:15.280 want to go down in history as standing on the side of segregationists and those individuals

01:05:19.700 who oppose, uh, people who look like me having free and fair access to the ballot,

01:05:25.260 then we will remember them as such. All right. So clip from CNN and here to add to that Senator,

01:05:30.680 New York Democrat representative Jamal Bowman today sharing his views of Kyrsten Sinema on Twitter,

01:05:36.420 retreating a picture of her and the late John Lewis, uh, former Congressman in the original image,

01:05:43.200 uh, Senator Sinema had tweeted my hero after Lewis died. Bowman, uh, tweets out the following,

01:05:49.540 hero, a person who is admired or idealized for coverage, outstanding achievements or noble

01:05:54.420 qualities. Traitor, a person who betrays a friend, country, principal, et cetera. Um,

01:06:01.040 he went on to say, Boma, John Lewis is a hero. You cinema are a traitor to his legacy,

01:06:06.920 your constituents and our democracy. What do you make of it?

01:06:11.800 Well, I make up a two things. Number one, if you want to get noticed in American politics today,

01:06:15.460 you say things like that, right? And the more outrageous, the more notice you're going to get.

01:06:19.240 And there are some people that are going to applaud it, at least treat it as a serious statement.

01:06:22.860 I think the other is that it's poisonous and toxic and, and nasty. And, and, and I don't even have

01:06:28.480 the words to describe how ridiculous that assumption is, but it goes back to the point I made earlier.

01:06:32.840 And that is this now things like traitor, things like racist, things like bigot have become throwaway

01:06:38.600 lines that look, there, there are bigots and there are racists in this country. There are bigots and

01:06:44.780 there are racists on the entire planet earth. It was one of the sins that bedevils mankind.

01:06:49.880 And we should reserve our anger for the ones that are really that and are motivated by that.

01:06:55.260 But when you start calling everybody that, and every issue becomes on the basis of that,

01:06:59.560 then suddenly that issue, you can no longer raise it. You, in essence, you almost give cover

01:07:03.740 to the people that are actually racist and bigots. And, and, and again, look, I, I think that this sort

01:07:09.640 of language that we've just described that plays really well among a certain core constituency

01:07:14.320 that watches, you know, CNN or MSNBC or, or lives on Twitter and, and gives money to their campaigns.

01:07:22.260 But to the overwhelming majority of Americans, particularly the ones that are paying attention,

01:07:26.380 because most people aren't, um, they, they, they would look at that and say, this is a bridge too

01:07:31.420 far. I think sometimes we forget that the common sense of real people, uh, is still there.

01:07:36.720 Even if the people running the country sometimes seem to be out of their minds.

01:07:40.860 There's, I want to get to quite a few other things with you, including Biden's 33% approval

01:07:44.920 rating and what happened at the Supreme court. We can now have a decision on the vaccine mandates,

01:07:48.240 but first, can I ask you quickly, speaking of bigotry, um, as we all know, the Chinese are

01:07:52.940 engaged in an ethnic genocide against the Muslim minorities, uh, within China. And you've been

01:07:58.680 taking the lead in trying to push for some accountability on this as we're on the precipice of the Beijing

01:08:04.940 Olympics. Um, one of the things that jumped out at me, as I saw, I'm preparing for this interview.

01:08:11.120 You are asking for Olympic partners to acknowledge this genocide. You have, you do that back in

01:08:16.360 December, penning a letter to these Olympic sponsors, you know, calling them out for what

01:08:21.300 you say is ignoring an ongoing genocide. I looked at the list. I cannot believe companies like Coke,

01:08:28.840 Coca-Cola is so busy over here, lecturing us on how terrible we all are.

01:08:32.700 And yet they are a sponsor of these Olympics.

01:08:37.220 Yeah. It's unfortunate Nike, others that are out there and they, but they, I'm not sure if Nike's

01:08:41.860 a sponsor, but I'm sure they'll be very involved in advertising around it because of the athletes

01:08:46.480 that are performing. And what happens with these companies is they, they have, they are very quick

01:08:51.060 to order, you know, call for the boycott of a state, uh, put up billboards and run commercials

01:08:55.860 about how terrible the United States of America is, or how terrible some decision that was made

01:09:00.720 by elected representatives of the American people are, but they won't say a word about China.

01:09:05.160 And it's not just about the Olympics. It is in general. I mean, this is just true all the way

01:09:08.500 across the board. And, um, and that kind of hypocrisy needs to be called out. I doubt you'll

01:09:13.500 see any of these companies step forward because of they do, uh, the Chinese will, will shut them

01:09:18.120 down and they, that would cost them billions of dollars and maybe get the CEO fired as a result

01:09:22.320 of it. So I don't have a lot of hope. We're going to get a response from them, but, um,

01:09:26.160 but I think it's important to continue to call out this hypocrisy coming up part of my conversation

01:09:31.140 with Christy Noem. Well, we were pretty critical of Christy Noem's new book that was out earlier

01:09:40.900 this year in which she talks lovingly about shooting her puppy in the face, but now she

01:09:45.900 is slated to be the next Homeland Security secretary. And, uh, FYI, she had a different book out two

01:09:51.780 years ago and we were actually super supportive of that one. We had her on for a great conversation

01:09:56.900 in episode three 46 here about her faith, her family, and the promise of America.

01:10:05.760 One of the things that you learned growing up in South Dakota was the importance of faith. And you

01:10:11.180 write that if the church doors were open, your family was there. And, uh, so you grew up an

01:10:16.960 observant Christian and, um, I understand, you know, continue to have that faith in your life.

01:10:22.300 So I'm going to guess that the two religious freedom cases just decided by the U S Supreme

01:10:26.820 court were, were welcome. Uh, in your view, there was one, uh, saying, uh, public funds given to

01:10:34.160 students in Maine who needed to find schooling, uh, could be used on schools that provided religious

01:10:40.460 education. And then the big one came out on Monday involving coach Kennedy, who we actually had

01:10:45.580 on this program not long ago, who just wanted to pray at the 50 yard line after the games and

01:10:50.060 didn't say anybody else had to come join him. But a lot of the students were faithful as well

01:10:53.680 and went and did it. And the school fired him. They fired him. And the Supreme court in a six to

01:10:59.460 three decision said, no, you violated his free speech rights and you violated his religious freedom

01:11:05.260 rights saying in part, in decision written by justice Gorsuch, a Trump appointee, learning how to

01:11:11.060 tolerate speech or prayer of all kinds is part of learning how to live in a plural of

01:11:15.580 pluralistic society, a trait of character essential to a tolerant citizenry. And went on to say respect

01:11:23.520 for religious expressions is indispensable to life in a free and diverse Republic. How about that?

01:11:32.720 It's a powerful statement. I'd love that opinion that he brought forward just because it's so it's

01:11:38.920 the clarity that we need in this country right now of what was guaranteed, um, by us in the United States

01:11:44.840 of America. So I, those decisions were very, very important. And we have a lot of people that get

01:11:50.600 confused about the role of faith and government and government and faith and schools and how that

01:11:55.840 interaction happens. And in fact, even in South Dakota this year, I brought a bill that would have

01:12:02.060 put a moment of silence into a school day. It would have been a moment every day where a student had an

01:12:06.840 opportunity to have either a prayer if they wanted to, um, pray to whoever they would like to,

01:12:13.200 or a moment of silence or just a quiet time. But it was to clearly draw a line in the sand that praying

01:12:18.920 is allowed in our schools, that it is facilitated, that every teacher, every administrator, every person

01:12:24.120 in the state would know that that is something that you have a right to do. And it was killed by

01:12:28.700 Republicans. That bill was killed by Republicans because they did not feel it would be something

01:12:35.640 that the school should have to worry about. They didn't want the controversy of it. And so this type of

01:12:41.700 decision brings clarity to so many people about the fact that, that faith is to be protected from

01:12:48.480 the government. It's not to protect our government from our faith and our religion, that this is one

01:12:54.760 thing that people could use some direction from. And I'm so thankful for the Supreme Court making a

01:13:00.000 decision that truly sends that message to the country.

01:13:02.420 Yes. And I appreciate your effort to do that because we are in a situation now as mothers, as

01:13:07.920 people who have kids in the school system where our kids have you're not even allowed to mention God

01:13:14.700 or religion unless it's in a way that's disparaging. That'll pass. And yet we're supposed we're called

01:13:21.180 bigots if we object to, you know, the LGBTQ pride parade with kink being shoved down in our faces left

01:13:28.360 and right. So we don't want our kids to see that. But if we try to mention anything about God, especially

01:13:32.760 in the school setting, even if it's neutral, you know, like like you're doing a moment of silence

01:13:37.340 where you can think about God or just meditative about your life and its meaning, that's not allowed.

01:13:43.480 Yeah. Well, it was interesting because many of these Republicans said, well, this isn't a problem

01:13:47.220 in South Dakota yet. And I thought, why do we have to constantly it has been an issue now since

01:13:51.940 legislative session got out in a couple of school districts. And what's interesting to me is,

01:13:55.880 as leaders, you should lead, be clear and bring clarity when you can, especially in our school

01:14:03.240 districts, which right now are kind of a war zone for people that have other agendas and other

01:14:07.720 opinions and trying to indoctrinate certain beliefs on our children. So it's interesting to me that the

01:14:15.660 people that get confused on religion in schools and government, I'm hopeful that we can bring more

01:14:21.500 clarity with decisions like this so that in our schools, our kids feel the freedom that if they

01:14:26.180 want to stop for a minute by their locker and have a quick prayer with a friend, they can do that.

01:14:29.900 That's that's what this country is all about. Mm hmm. What do you when I hear you talking about

01:14:35.280 taking on your own party and so on? I mean, of course, I've got to ask you what everybody wants to

01:14:39.760 know, which is what does that mean there could be higher aspirations for you politically? Could you

01:14:45.180 potentially do that on the national level, either as a Republican presidential candidate in

01:14:51.360 2024 or potentially as a running mate to a man we all know very well? He was running a real estate

01:14:59.620 business and he was president from 2016 to 2020. You know, I honestly don't know that's, you know,

01:15:07.500 people ask it a lot. So obviously, I've had to think about it a bit, but it's just not something

01:15:11.260 that's in my plans. We I'm running for reelection this year in South Dakota. I'm hoping that people

01:15:16.260 will trust me to lead for another four years as governor. Beyond that, I think anybody who's

01:15:21.340 making plans just maybe doesn't understand the volatility of this political environment

01:15:26.080 that we're in. And I'm always a little leery, Megan, of people who dream of being president

01:15:30.640 of the United States. I think these people that grow up and plan it for years and years

01:15:35.300 probably should never be president of the United States. They more than likely want to do it

01:15:39.400 for the wrong reasons. I I think it's probably time in this country we have a reluctant

01:15:43.860 president again, because those are the ones that truly take the job seriously, recognize the

01:15:49.100 challenges of it. And the reality is we start looking at the Republican primary. There's probably

01:15:54.860 going to be 48 different people running in that primary. You know, there's a lot of people who

01:15:59.900 are saying they want to be president of the United States. I'm just not convinced that it

01:16:03.680 has to be me. Well, especially if Trump doesn't run. If Trump runs, a lot of people will decide not

01:16:09.520 to do it. But if he doesn't run, yeah, it's going to be a wide open field. And if he does run,

01:16:14.540 it seems pretty clear he's not running with Mike Pence. And then there will be a new right. Then

01:16:19.220 there will be a new spot open for somebody else. I know they've heard they called you the female

01:16:26.040 Trump. So it could be you. He you know, I I dearly love the guy. He let me do my job as governor and he

01:16:36.080 helped me. You know, when I was in Congress with tax reform, he was passionate and truly did some big

01:16:43.280 things in this country. So I appreciate his policies and what he did. I'd love to have him

01:16:47.600 back, especially compared to who we have in the White House today. You know, the fact is right

01:16:51.760 now, I don't think anybody can beat him in a primary. So if he does run, you know, he's going

01:16:55.900 to have to figure out how he wins a general election. And I think the way to do that, because

01:17:00.500 right now it would be difficult to be a challenge. I think he has got to put together a team that gives

01:17:05.900 people confidence in the fact that he's got the right people together that are going to fix the

01:17:11.020 country, put it right the ship. You know, he's got to announce who his attorney general would be.

01:17:15.700 During that campaign, he'd have to say who his secretary of state would be, who his vice president

01:17:19.440 would be. That would be something that would reassure and unite a lot of Republicans. I think

01:17:23.920 Republicans really got to get it together and grow up a little bit, too, because they're all just trying

01:17:29.640 to pretend that he's not going to run or hope for it and make no plans. We've got to figure out how do

01:17:36.080 we put a strategy together to really win because our country is counting on it more than ever.

01:17:40.360 Hmm. Yeah. And it's it's dicey with Trump, right? It's like he's obviously

01:17:44.460 got a huge swath of support in the Republican Party, but he's also such a divisive figure

01:17:50.020 that cuts both ways. I don't you know, for me as a journalist, it's easy because I get to watch and

01:17:55.120 report on it and eat the popcorn while you guys do get out. But I know it's for people who are die

01:17:59.420 hard Republicans. They worry. And the Democrats and, you know, we're worried about our country, too.

01:18:04.280 I mean, four more years of Biden. I like I'm not sure if it keeps going in this direction,

01:18:08.000 what's going to be left. All right. Let me shift gears because enough about politics. I want to

01:18:12.760 talk about you and the Snow Queen. How did that happen? This is the year was 1990. Is that the

01:18:17.740 year I want to talk about? Oh, my goodness. Yes, I do. I'm I'm I'm a shallow person.

01:18:24.560 No, I love the big hair. Pretty successful. People don't know that much. Oh, yeah, there we are.

01:18:33.880 From your book. What year was this? So that was 1990. And South Dakota, especially back then,

01:18:42.000 and when you were a senior in high school, most of the girls competed in the Snow Queen contest,

01:18:46.760 which really was a local area contest where you gave interviews and speeches and they chose one to

01:18:57.940 go on to the state competition. And through that, you got scholarships. At that time, they gave a car

01:19:03.380 other items. And then you traveled throughout the Midwest or the country being an ambassador for your

01:19:10.160 state to different festivals and different gatherings or whatever. So I did that with all my friends when I

01:19:15.840 was a senior in high school, won the local contest and then went to the state contest with 52 other

01:19:21.380 young women. And yeah, very interesting experience because I'm, you know, if you remember, I was a

01:19:27.900 ranch girl farm. In fact, when I won the state competition, the headline and all the newspapers was

01:19:33.380 farm girl wins Snow Queen. It was like everybody that thought, wow, this is different. So but it was very

01:19:42.460 good for me. You know, it's interesting. You go back that far. And to know that much about my state

01:19:48.320 travel and get to be an ambassador for it, you know, it really was a great opportunity for me to

01:19:52.800 Well, a new car doesn't suck either.

01:19:55.400 Oh, no. You know, you would have you would have loved it. It was a black Trans Am with the sunroof.

01:20:01.140 But on the side of it, it had huge gold letters that said 1990 South Dakota Snow Queen on it.

01:20:08.000 No, that's the car college. Imagine me pulling onto campus with this car that had big gold

01:20:16.440 lettering on it. It was. Yeah, it was fantastic. And I was in the dorm with the entire football team.

01:20:21.940 So, you know, I didn't get any teasing whatsoever. Oh, please. They would have done anything for

01:20:27.840 there not to be a Brian Gnome already in your life. Oh, that's true. You know, it's interesting.

01:20:34.240 I totaled out that car, too. So that was the last year they gave a card to the Snow Queen.

01:20:39.400 So sad. Well, I laughed in your book. You were talking about when you first ran for office and

01:20:43.920 the biggest controversy you faced was you had some speeding tickets. Now it all makes sense. Now,

01:20:48.760 I mean, they're going to give you a black Trans Am at age 19. You're going to drive it fast.

01:20:53.080 That's what's the point of having it if you're not going to do that? Well, I yeah, I had a dad

01:20:57.040 that was like, you get to where you're going fast and get back here with those parts for that tractor

01:21:01.320 or hurry up and go get this and don't make me wait. You know, that was how we were raised. So

01:21:06.040 and if we got speeding tickets, we paid them and kept going. But yeah, that was that was I don't

01:21:12.260 want to revisit. That's a stupid controversy. But whatever. I just thought seeing the Trans Am that

01:21:17.220 that brings it all together. But I do want to talk about talked about your dad, because that was

01:21:21.120 one of the saddest and sweetest parts of your book. And I have to say, I can relate. I can relate.

01:21:26.840 I lost my own dad when he was 45. Your dad died in an on an accident in an accident on your farm

01:21:33.240 when he was 49. And you go through it in great detail for the YouTube audience who were putting

01:21:38.760 pictures up of the governor's dad and mom. And it was horrifying what happened to him in this

01:21:46.380 corn auger. It was like the auger couldn't be turned on to save him after having gotten sucked

01:21:52.060 in because it would have ensured his death. And you write in the book something to the effect of

01:21:59.080 I was sitting there in the hospital waiting to hear, you know, if they could have revived him

01:22:02.580 in the same hospital you were supposed to be late that same night for birthing classes for your child

01:22:08.260 with whom you were eight months pregnant. And instead, they came in and told you there was there was

01:22:13.280 nothing they could do and that he was gone. You were in you would you were in sort of a fight

01:22:19.040 with him over something silly. And Christy, I said the exact same thing happened with me.

01:22:24.840 You know, I was only 15, but I lost my dad that night in a sudden heart attack in our case

01:22:29.900 and was in a fight with him over something stupid. And it's just one of those things where,

01:22:35.020 you know, they would never want you or me to be walking around feeling guilt or anything other than

01:22:40.300 their love for us thereafter. But you're only human. Yeah, yeah. It that's the one thing I wish

01:22:48.100 I could tell people is that you're not ever guaranteed another day. You're not guaranteed

01:22:52.700 you're going to see these people again. We have enough tragedies in our family and in our country

01:22:57.860 that that that's the reality. And and sometimes you watch people just throw people away in their lives

01:23:03.720 that that, you know, is unnecessary. So I I talk a little bit in the book about having him be gone

01:23:11.720 and just the fact that I wish I hadn't complained so much when he asked me to do stuff. I wish I would

01:23:17.660 have sat down and visited more when I had the chance to. He always hurt his back hurt so bad. He was

01:23:23.980 always in pain because he worked so hard and he used to ask us to rub his feet at night. And I just

01:23:29.060 remember thinking, I wish that I just, you know, would have not once, you know, tried to sneak

01:23:34.780 upstairs without him seeing me so I didn't have to rub his feet for him so he would feel better.

01:23:38.560 You know, that's the kind of stuff that you just don't realize you're missing out on until they're

01:23:43.680 already gone. It was very difficult because he was such a larger than life person. And I'm sure your

01:23:48.620 dad was like this to you, too. You know, your whole life as a young girl revolves kind of around your dad.

01:23:53.240 And and when all of a sudden they're gone, you can't even imagine what the next 24 hours is going

01:23:59.100 to look like, much less the rest of your life. And you found these tapes where, in addition to

01:24:05.280 talking a lot about corn, he talked about you. He talked about you and your siblings and talked about

01:24:11.500 how tough you were, how he could see that you were such a tough kid. And I must have been so

01:24:18.160 comforting in a way. It's just sort of a way of shoring you up from beyond, I think.

01:24:24.900 Well, you know, my dad wasn't a talker. He was a doer. And so it was it took me probably five or

01:24:31.940 six months before I could clean out his pickup. You know, farmers and ranchers live in their pickup

01:24:35.760 everything they have, their notes, their pens, their tools. You know, even I talk about the fact

01:24:41.840 that he always had a case of warm seven up and old candy bars or whatever in his backseat of his truck.

01:24:47.640 And, you know, you just you everything he that was important was in his pickup. And it took me a

01:24:52.160 long time to go clean out his pickup after he passed away. But when I did, I opened up

01:24:55.900 the council and there was dozens of these little, you know, dictation tapes in there and a little

01:25:01.520 tape recorder that, you know, doctors talked into back then. And it was his voice. And it was just him

01:25:08.160 talking. I had been running the farm, then a very large operation, a lot of people working for me,

01:25:14.260 a lot of men working for me that were middle aged that didn't want to be working for a 22 year old

01:25:19.420 pregnant lady or lady with a brand new baby and getting challenged on every decision I was making.

01:25:25.520 And here on these tapes was every answer I could have ever wanted. What soil type was the best for

01:25:31.620 what crop, what to do with cattle, what to do if we ever got into financial trouble. And then some of

01:25:37.400 these tapes were years and years old. In fact, he'd moved them from pickup to pickup. And when he'd

01:25:43.000 gotten a new pickup, he just moved them. And there was a tape in there almost 10 years old, where he

01:25:46.860 talked about us kids, what he thought our strengths were, what our weaknesses were. And it was just

01:25:53.340 amazing, because this is not something my dad rarely said, you know, I love you, much less talked

01:25:58.660 about us. And it was that was when I knew everything was going to be okay. I thought if God loves me

01:26:03.900 this much, that he literally gave me all the answers that I needed in his own voice, then we're going to

01:26:10.700 be fine. And I think that was the first night that I finally could sleep, because I felt the peace that

01:26:15.920 I knew we were going to be okay. I can't imagine that find and that feeling. I mean, I can remember

01:26:24.580 in my own case, this is 1985, when my dad died, and just re listening over and over to his voice on the

01:26:31.920 answering machine tape. I remember doing that. Just playing the answering machine, you know,

01:26:36.820 you've reached the Kellys. I that sort of a treasure trove that there is some divine intervention

01:26:41.980 there. And I couldn't help, of course, but thank my God, if he could see you now, he would be so

01:26:48.040 proud of you. I mean, it makes me root for you makes me so glad you wrote the book, and so glad that

01:26:54.820 you decided to lead, you know, notwithstanding the many challenges thrown your way.

01:26:58.840 Well, I mean, I appreciate sometimes I think he might become kind of crazy. But I think that,

01:27:04.780 yeah, he was pretty incredible. And my mom is probably the only woman in the world that could

01:27:10.620 have been married to him. Because all he did was work all the time. I remember her, you know, as we

01:27:16.200 were going out the door to work all the time, her shoving food in our pockets and here just eat this on

01:27:20.560 the way to the field and, you know, facilitating everything and taking care of everybody. It was

01:27:25.500 really unique. But you know what, we were together. And that's what I think so many families don't

01:27:29.640 make a priority today is that it just wasn't an option not to be with our family. And I think that's

01:27:34.500 one of the reasons why we turned out and we ended up with a value system that that really does give us

01:27:40.600 this quality of life we get to enjoy. And one more for you, Stephen Miller.

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01:28:50.500 We are closing out with Stephen Miller, not the Stephen L. Miller who sometimes comes on our show

01:28:56.980 as a pundit, but Stephen Miller, who's been working for Trump as a top policy guy since the

01:29:03.140 first term. He's the border guru and he will serve as deputy chief of staff for policy for President

01:29:09.660 Trump. No confirmation hearings needed, which is good because they can't stand him. But he was behind

01:29:14.720 a lot of those policies that worked really well under Trump. We had him on in May of 2023 and episode

01:29:22.200 five forty nine. And he's already been tapped for Trump to get right back to it. Here's a little

01:29:28.720 of Stephen. Is the goal just to create more Democratic voters? What what is it? Is it

01:29:36.360 bleeding heart liberalism? What why would they be allowing this kind of crisis to emerge from our

01:29:43.180 south and now be bussed up to the north such that virtually all these major cities are going to feel

01:29:50.020 the pain? People ask me this question a lot and I've reflected on it a great deal because people

01:29:56.260 know people want to know how is it possible that that a entire administration and all the the members

01:30:05.400 of Congress who support that administration and all of the outside groups that support that

01:30:08.680 administration could be so willingly complicit in a policy that's yielding so much human misery.

01:30:15.160 You have human trafficking, sex trafficking and labor trafficking is even the New York Times

01:30:20.460 documented, particularly with minors on a scale that has never been witnessed before. Hundreds of

01:30:26.740 thousands of minors have been trafficked into the country. You have the fentanyl deaths setting records

01:30:32.940 year after year. Families being separated in a permanent and irrevocable way. The only way they

01:30:39.380 convince their loved ones is at a cemetery at a at a graveyard. And then you have gangs that have

01:30:45.060 operational control of our territory that are abusing people and murdering people on both sides of the

01:30:51.740 border. The destruction of the labor market for the working class and the working poor and the

01:30:57.220 decimation of our health care system and our education system to name but a few social ills.

01:31:02.440 And I think the answer is exactly what you said and it's very straightforward. California was once the

01:31:10.060 most conservative free state in the country. If you wanted to live the American dream, you wanted to

01:31:16.700 get your family in the station wagon, drive across country and just strike out and see if you could

01:31:22.540 start a small business or get a good job or just earn a good living, you went to California. That's what you

01:31:31.120 did. And this was the state that not only elected Reagan governor, but also voted in presidential

01:31:38.440 elections for conservatives, for national office, for almost the entirety of the 20th century

01:31:45.800 up until 1992. And that was the tipping point. And from 1992 until today, only leftists for the highest

01:31:55.860 office in the land. And the reason for that is because mass migration turns politics leftward. And it's a lot of

01:32:07.000 reasons why. I mean, one is that people who come from from countries that have no history of limited

01:32:11.780 government and no experience of limited government don't find that to be intuitive. So that's one reason, just the

01:32:16.980 actual voters themselves, they would say, well, why wouldn't I vote for higher taxes on someone who's not me to give

01:32:22.900 services to somebody who is me, right? That's intuitive. It's very intuitive to say, there's people who are

01:32:27.760 richer than me, so I'll tax them more, and then you're going to give me more money, right? That's

01:32:32.800 intuitive. It's not intuitive, what we have or have had in America, to say, if more people who aren't you

01:32:40.160 also have freedom, then they will also be productive, and they will also create more jobs, and then those

01:32:45.020 jobs will pay higher wages. But there's a secondary effect that pulls politics left, which is the

01:32:51.040 destruction of the middle class. When you have good, high-paying, middle-class jobs, that forms the

01:32:58.240 center of a conservative society, a strong family and a strong community, where people are able to

01:33:05.440 get a job that can pay a living wage, that can support a family, where you can have, if you want

01:33:12.080 to, a one-parent working home, if you want to, a two-parent working home, but either way, you're

01:33:16.340 financially secure, and you have a good education system and a good health care system. When you

01:33:21.720 completely destabilize the labor market and the social safety net, people then begin demanding

01:33:26.700 more and more and more government services, because the jobs aren't paying enough, so you need more

01:33:32.480 earned income tax credit, and you need to have more food stamps, and you need to have more public

01:33:37.540 housing, and the education system can't keep up, so you've got to keep funneling more and more and

01:33:41.860 money into that. And nobody has health insurance. I mean, how many years have we heard, Megan,

01:33:46.140 there's 30 million people that have health insurance. We need socialized medicine. We

01:33:49.360 need socialized medicine. The vast majority of people in this country who do not have health

01:33:54.700 insurance are not citizens of this country. There are many American citizens who don't have health

01:33:58.880 insurance, to be clear, and they should get it, and we should make sure they do have it. But the vast

01:34:02.780 majority of people who do not have insurance of any kind, in any way, any shape, or form whatsoever

01:34:09.000 are not U.S. citizens. But again, that's used by political parties to demand free government

01:34:16.200 services. So an open border both imports the voters who will vote for one party and one ideology,

01:34:23.280 but it also changes the political landscape of an entire community. So you end up with the

01:34:29.480 Manhattanization of America, where you have these very large cities where nothing works, nothing is

01:34:36.440 functional, nothing is safe, nothing is efficient, and the solution is always going to be you have

01:34:46.200 to tax more and spend more. It's bleak, Stephen. It's so bleak. I've been listening to the reporting on

01:34:55.480 the new approach by the Biden administration, and it's all over the board, even amongst the left.

01:35:02.220 I, you know, I listen to NPR. I listen to the New York Times the Daily and read the Times as well.

01:35:08.120 And even they seem to be struggling with whether these are going to be effective measures, whether

01:35:15.540 they're going to be ineffective, or whether they might be even more effective than the Trump

01:35:20.460 administration. They seem to actually want to be toying with, he's going to be tougher. He's going

01:35:25.720 to be tougher with these reforms than Trump was on people trying to get across the border because he's

01:35:31.980 saying, if you try to do it illegally and you get caught, you're out, you're out for five years and

01:35:37.280 you can't reapply. So you better go through the proper channels to get into this country or else,

01:35:43.100 which is new for him.

01:35:43.920 Right. So this version of events inquires us to believe that he canceled every single policy that

01:35:53.840 was working incredibly well and then put in place a whole series of policies designed to make it as

01:36:00.300 easy to enter the country illegally as possible. But it was really just secretly a head fake to come

01:36:05.560 up with some new and different and better plan. The people who are driving immigration policy,

01:36:10.220 I talked to Iceland, I talked to border agents, and obviously I know the names of the higher-ups

01:36:17.180 at DHS and, of course, in the White House too. Ideologically, the people who are setting policy

01:36:22.940 believe that borders are racist, that borders are wrong, and that we don't have any right morally

01:36:29.360 or otherwise to deny people entry into this country. The way they look at it, to be very blunt,

01:36:36.340 Megan, is they see, and to use sort of the language of the day, they see America as a racist colonial

01:36:43.440 superpower. So this is their worldview. They think that we stole wealth and riches and plundered and

01:36:50.900 pillaged from foreign countries, from indigenous people, from the developing world. And at a moral

01:36:58.240 level, they see this as the ultimate act of wealth redistribution. So we talk about reparations,

01:37:04.080 Megan, they see an open border as reparations for the developing world that they believe,

01:37:10.420 not just America, but they believe the West, you know, from the going back to the times of

01:37:16.440 the British Parliament back when we were colonies. But they see that the West stole and plundered this

01:37:23.920 wealth, and they think this is a form of redistribution to those who they believe are

01:37:28.980 rightfully entitled to the riches of this nation. That is for the true believers. Biden doesn't have

01:37:35.740 much going on upstairs. He's a party man. And so he is doing what his party is telling him to do,

01:37:41.880 and he is doing it completely. But for the ideologues that are driving this policy, that is absolutely

01:37:47.540 what they believe. And that is why they are constitutionally incapable of saying the sentence,

01:37:52.960 illegal immigration is wrong. If you come into the country illegally, you have no path to release,

01:38:01.560 you will be detained, you will be deported, you will be going home, and you, if possible,

01:38:06.500 will be sent to jail. And if you try again, you'll be sent to jail for more than a year.

01:38:10.040 One of the things that we did in the Trump administration is we aggressively prosecuted.

01:38:13.260 So we didn't just deport people, but we aggressively prosecuted immigration crime. Not just immigration

01:38:18.000 fraud, but 1325, USC 1325, which is the misdemeanor illegal entry, and then 1326,

01:38:26.640 which is the felony illegal entry. And we aggressively prosecuted illegal border crossing

01:38:31.440 to send the message that what you're doing is criminal. This is criminal. And if American

01:38:36.220 citizens go to jail for the minorest violation, you know, you get one little thing wrong in your tax

01:38:42.360 forms, or you make one little mistake, interacting with a regulatory agency. Or you make one little

01:38:50.080 mistake in Washington, in terms of what box you check here or there. And you know, you spend years

01:38:55.400 and years in jail. But if you come across the country illegally in plain violation of federal

01:38:59.460 law, nothing happens to you. That's wrong. And we said that's wrong. And so we prosecuted people

01:39:03.740 for doing that. And Biden has completely gutted all of our prosecution initiatives. I don't remember

01:39:07.960 the numbers. Here's what he says he's coming back with just to, you know, I should have been more

01:39:12.680 clear about this at the top. Okay. I mentioned the new rule that they say is going to bar most

01:39:16.260 people from applying for asylum if they cross the border illegally or fail to first apply for safe

01:39:21.180 harbor in another country. So they're kind of saying, they are saying you now need to apply for

01:39:25.240 asylum in another country, which is just so obvious, right? Of course, if you're truly fleeing

01:39:28.980 prosecution, you're fine with Mexico. You just need to get away from the prosecution. That's not what

01:39:33.260 it's about. They want to be in the United States and they want to do it fast. They don't want to

01:39:36.900 follow the rules. Migrants who get an appointment through the, a new app they're putting out. The

01:39:43.640 one O-N-E app set up by the border patrol will be exempt from this threat. So you're supposed to go

01:39:50.680 on some app and create an appointment to, you know, have your, I guess, asylum claim scheduled for

01:39:55.920 hearing. Then they say, this is the point they say is in their favor. The administration will expand

01:40:00.940 expedited removal processes under title eight, the decades old section of the U S code that deals with

01:40:06.640 immigration law. This allows the government to remove from the country, anyone unable to establish

01:40:11.140 a legal basis, such as approved asylum claims. It would bar these migrants from the country for five

01:40:16.340 years. So they're saying, if we catch you trying to get into the country or in the country, and you

01:40:21.600 haven't made an appointment through the app and you haven't, um, been processed as, you know, a true

01:40:28.160 asylum seeker by doing, trying, applying for asylum in Mexico or someplace else first, then we're going to

01:40:33.260 be kicked out and you will be removed and you won't be able to come back for five years.

01:40:39.580 Is that a step in the right direction? This is not true. It's just not what's happening. What is

01:40:44.760 the, what is the article that you're, that you're reading from? Just so I, I know.

01:40:48.420 Trying to see the source on this. I'm reading from my packet, which my team.

01:40:52.580 Okay. Sorry. The, um, cause I was saying immigration sources are all over the place. New York

01:40:56.160 Post, political New York Post and daily. Yeah. The thing about, think about immigration reporting

01:41:00.020 in this country is that so few people who do immigration stories actually understand immigration

01:41:04.320 law that they fall for literally any spin the administration pushes to them. So I've been

01:41:09.060 seeing for two years, they always announced, oh, there's a new crackdown in the middle of the Haiti

01:41:13.800 migrant camps. They were saying the administration has some tough new crackdown plan. They push out

01:41:19.700 this fake story every few months when the PR gets bad and I hope everybody moves on to the next thing.

01:41:25.160 If you really want to break it down, the, the regulation in question says that you have

01:41:32.820 a rebuttable keyword, rebuttable presumption of ineligibility if you didn't apply in a previous

01:41:39.520 country. The word rebuttable meaning that you can overcome it by asking again, to see an immigration

01:41:46.680 judge. This is, so in immigration law, Megan, there's all kinds of things that could sound tough

01:41:53.540 on paper that dissolve upon contact with reality because of how enforcement actually works. If you

01:42:01.180 allow an alien to seek a lengthy process when they enter this country, then there's no way for border

01:42:10.540 patrol to remove that person. If an alien shows up from Peru and tells a story and says, I couldn't

01:42:19.740 apply in Mexico because the cartels threatened me. So I need to see a caseworker and then I need to

01:42:28.420 see an immigration judge. Megan, that person is not going anywhere, but to the city of their choice,

01:42:36.200 St. Louis, Omaha, Nebraska, New York City. After two years of this, you think immigration reporters

01:42:43.180 will stop falling for the same crap. The illegal aliens who want to get in will get in. It's

01:42:51.620 happening right now. It's happening every day. They show up at the border in the morning and they're

01:42:57.760 on to the next city in the evening. You see them on TV going on to the destination of their choice.

01:43:04.260 Then they text their friends and their family with their new phones and say, hey, I just got in.

01:43:08.180 The other point, though, about this is that in reality, the way it works on the ground

01:43:13.300 is that when you have more aliens in your facility than there are caseworkers to interview them,

01:43:21.580 the difference between those two populations gets released.

01:43:25.340 Thank you so much for joining me today. Tomorrow, we are bringing you another future member

01:43:29.960 of Trump's cabinet. It's on my full interview that made so many waves for which Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

01:43:41.160 himself has thanked us repeatedly, saying it it was the beginning of his revival of him being able

01:43:49.860 to speak in forums like Facebook and Instagram without getting censored. And you will see we had

01:43:58.400 to heavily fact check him with his critics claims throughout just to get this thing to air. But

01:44:04.320 it was worth it. The man is probably going to be running health and human services now. And you will

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The Megyn Kelly Show - November 26, 2024

Get To Know The Incoming Trump Cabinet： Tulsi Gabbard, Marco Rubio, Kristi Noem, and More

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