The Megyn Kelly Show - Getting Banned By CNN Over On-Air Battle, with Ryan Girdusky, and Megyn on Speaking Out Without Fear ｜ Ep. 931

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00:00:31.240 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on SiriusXM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

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00:01:16.920 Okay. Earlier this week, there was this bizarre exchange on CNN that caught our attention.

00:01:21.760 We wanted to take a dive into it. There was a CNN panel that descended into chaos,

00:01:26.720 I think it's fair to say, after Mehdi Hassan, the former MSNBC host,

00:01:31.280 who was too leftist even for MSNBC on the Israel-Gaza conflict, was on the panel

00:01:36.740 and criticized Trump and the speakers at the Madison Square Garden rally

00:01:41.240 before calling the former president and his supporters Nazis.

00:01:44.880 No problem.

00:01:45.980 Just another day on CNN.

00:01:47.620 Then another panelist, conservative Ryan Gerdusky, responded.

00:01:52.700 And the response subsequently has gotten him banned from the network.

00:01:57.200 I mean, multiple people are coming out and just attacking him now.

00:02:00.620 And there's obviously a clear double standard at play with CNN that we're going to get into

00:02:04.420 in this exclusive interview with the man at the center of the controversy,

00:02:07.140 and that is Ryan Gerdusky. He's a Republican strategist and the founder of the 1776 Project.

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00:02:54.660 Ryan, welcome to the show.

00:02:56.640 Thanks for having me.

00:02:57.840 Well, that was an interesting moment.

00:02:59.640 I'll just play it for the audience, and then we'll get your reaction to it.

00:03:03.620 The audience knows we're not huge fans of Mehdi Hassan here at the MK Show,

00:03:07.860 but we're going to watch this with an open mind.

00:03:09.820 Here it goes.

00:03:10.560 I mean, I'm glad you played that clip, because all day long,

00:03:13.740 the Trump campaign have been saying, it's a comedian, it's a comedian, it's a comedian.

00:03:17.300 It wasn't just a comedian.

00:03:18.340 Park the comedian and what he said, and you still have Rudy Giuliani,

00:03:22.340 you still have his childhood friend, you still have his donor saying the pimp handlers.

00:03:26.020 Just one of those people, 10 years ago, would have ended a Republican campaign.

00:03:30.280 You didn't even get through all the clips.

00:03:31.540 There was still Tucker Carlson doing replacement.

00:03:34.040 Don Jr. did replacement.

00:03:35.340 And then Trump himself turned up and talked about invading and occupying our country,

00:03:38.980 which is the language of the far right.

00:03:40.380 He talked about enemy of the people, which is Joseph Goebbels.

00:03:42.720 He talked about the enemy within, which is literally Hitler.

00:03:47.220 I mean, these are the...

00:03:48.100 My problem is, I get it, nobody wants to be called Nazis.

00:03:51.540 It's very inflammatory.

00:03:52.800 But if you don't want to be called Nazis, stop doing...

00:03:55.080 You've been called a Nazi Semite more than he crosses the table.

00:03:59.460 And people would sit there and...

00:04:00.540 No, by me.

00:04:01.340 I never called you a Nazi Semite.

00:04:02.660 I mean, I'm not sitting here saying...

00:04:03.760 I'm a supporter of the Palestinians I'm used to.

00:04:05.560 Well, I hope your beeper doesn't go off.

00:04:07.320 The thing is, is that... 0.76

00:04:08.380 Did you just say I should die?

00:04:09.680 You should not. 0.96

00:04:10.400 No. 1.00

00:04:10.780 Did you just say I should be killed? 0.95

00:04:11.780 No, I did not say that. 0.98

00:04:13.580 Hold on. 0.99

00:04:13.840 Did you just say I should be killed? 1.00

00:04:15.560 Hold on. 1.00

00:04:15.900 On live TV.

00:04:16.740 I said, I hope you're...

00:04:17.480 Guys, let me just stop.

00:04:18.320 You said you hope my beeper doesn't go off.

00:04:19.800 Guys, you said I would just stop that right now.

00:04:21.440 Of the Palestinians, Hamas? 0.90

00:04:23.180 Guys, let me stop.

00:04:24.160 I said, Palestinians are you?

00:04:25.680 Am I what?

00:04:26.780 No, of course I'm not.

00:04:27.340 Palestinians are not. 1.00

00:04:28.060 I apologize. 0.99

00:04:28.660 Are you a racist, violent person inciting violence against me? 0.97

00:04:31.640 Ryan, Ryan. 1.00

00:04:32.300 That's disgusting.

00:04:32.760 That is completely... 0.87

00:04:33.660 Good job, CNN. 0.99

00:04:35.060 Let's have first block say the Muslim guy should be blown up on TV. 1.00

00:04:38.960 Don't say, don't say, then I apologize. 0.99

00:04:40.760 Guys, you literally...

00:04:41.680 Don't say it.

00:04:41.980 I thought he said Hamas.

00:04:43.060 You didn't think I said Hamas.

00:04:44.280 I said I'm supportive of Palestinian rights.

00:04:45.920 Yes, I did.

00:04:46.460 Why?

00:04:46.740 Because when you hear...

00:04:47.500 What's funny is Rudy Giuliani said this yesterday, so you're a great guest to be here.

00:04:51.200 All right.

00:04:51.500 I told my girl, I wasn't going to entertain nonsense today.

00:04:55.080 And so at this point...

00:04:55.980 This is what we're in now.

00:04:56.700 This is America in 2024.

00:04:58.000 Here's what I will say.

00:04:58.980 Forget the racism.

00:04:59.980 That's right. 1.00

00:05:00.300 That I should die. 1.00

00:05:02.040 That I should die. 1.00

00:05:03.020 Okay. 0.73

00:05:03.680 So what happened there, Ryan?

00:05:05.580 Okay.

00:05:06.160 So I...

00:05:07.740 Let's just backtrack right before that happened.

00:05:09.960 So I had been on the show.

00:05:11.860 This is my fourth time, technically three times in one quarter, because I didn't last

00:05:15.200 more than a segment.

00:05:16.340 The producers had changed the entire script or most of the script right before the show.

00:05:22.540 And I was really irritated because rather than doing a segment on foreign policy and

00:05:26.120 on inflation, we were doing multiple segments on this.

00:05:29.100 So I went in a very irritated and in the wrong mood, truly.

00:05:33.160 Before even this clip played, they played like two and a half minutes of the Madison Square

00:05:37.420 Garden speeches.

00:05:39.440 And the woman to my right, Ashley Allison, who has been extremely rude to me in the past 0.99

00:05:45.080 on the network, was making comments, oh, white man humor.

00:05:48.840 This is white man humor.

00:05:49.980 This is white man humor.

00:05:51.440 Repeatedly.

00:05:52.200 No one said, hey, Ashley, cut it out. 1.00

00:05:54.940 Then we go into the segment.

00:05:56.420 And when he said Nazis, he looked directly at me and the former congressman, Scott Taylor,

00:06:02.960 who is also a Republican.

00:06:05.060 He wasn't talking about just people at the rally.

00:06:06.920 He was talking about us.

00:06:08.180 And then, I mean, I did not really know a lot of him about his son previous to being on

00:06:12.820 the show.

00:06:13.320 I'd never tweeted about him.

00:06:14.600 I've never talked about him.

00:06:15.860 But then he said that I had called him an anti-Semite.

00:06:18.240 Now, I know his history because of like those 24 hours or 48 hours beforehand that I googled

00:06:23.720 him, and he has said vicious things about a lot of people, especially Jews, especially

00:06:29.840 Israel.

00:06:30.980 So for him to sit there and say someone else who's got Jews in his family, who was the

00:06:36.320 most pro-Israel president of our life, I'm saying he is Joseph Goebbels. 0.89

00:06:40.160 The hypocrisy overwhelmed me.

00:06:42.940 It just literally overwhelmed me. 0.72

00:06:44.760 He was not cracked down for calling us Nazis.

00:06:46.760 He's not cracked down for accusing me of calling him an anti-Semite, which I never did.

00:06:51.480 I literally never did.

00:06:53.360 And it was just, I don't know.

00:06:55.160 I just had enough.

00:06:55.960 And I was just like, you know what?

00:06:56.920 I'm making a snide joke.

00:06:58.060 I don't care.

00:07:00.540 At the point afterwards, Abby was like, Ryan, calm it down.

00:07:03.460 I don't think you could hear over the over talking.

00:07:05.160 So I was like, all right, I'll apologize.

00:07:06.340 I'll settle everything down.

00:07:07.680 I did not say I hope there was violence against him.

00:07:10.700 I did not wish him death.

00:07:11.920 He was completely making it up.

00:07:14.400 Segment ends.

00:07:15.440 He storms off.

00:07:16.960 Abby was really quiet.

00:07:18.000 Abby was like, is he leaving?

00:07:20.300 Ashley was like, I think Ryan should leave.

00:07:22.200 I texted the producers.

00:07:23.480 Abby asked me to step out.

00:07:24.600 I said, OK, sorry.

00:07:25.820 I didn't mean to get you in any trouble with any overheads.

00:07:28.260 Being professional.

00:07:29.640 So that's the producer into the talent person and CNN said, you know, it was just a heat

00:07:34.600 of the moment.

00:07:35.100 And they said, we understand, you know, it's just like not right for the segment.

00:07:38.600 And then I left and didn't really think anything of it.

00:07:42.540 And it was just it was just then blew up extremely, literally, no pun intended.

00:07:52.820 But but it just went crazy.

00:07:55.000 And they said, I'm banned from the network.

00:07:57.240 This is a network.

00:07:58.600 Now, I'm very grateful that CNN had me on as many times as they did in the month that

00:08:02.100 I was on.

00:08:02.680 But this is a network that has people on constantly who say horrendous things about Republicans,

00:08:10.020 horrendous things about Trump supporters, horrendous things about, you know, Trump himself,

00:08:15.280 never disciplined.

00:08:16.400 And it was the immense double standards that no conservative can really live by unless they

00:08:22.560 are a self-hating conservative who's going to sit there and tell them all the time why

00:08:25.380 unless you're Adam Kinzinger, you can't survive in that environment.

00:08:28.340 So I kind of always knew that my time there was ending.

00:08:31.840 I actually thought I would be kicked off the show at the last segment because it was it

00:08:38.840 was a segment with Brian Stelter on Accuracy in the Media.

00:08:41.840 And I was just going to sit there and tell Brian on air, you need to apologize for lying

00:08:46.580 repeatedly on this network about Russiagate, about COVID, about, you know, about Stormy Daniels

00:08:52.780 lawyer that you had on about, you know, I was going to sit there and have a moment and

00:08:57.780 say, no, you're being lied to on this network constantly because they care about a narrative.

00:09:02.100 And I was like, this will be my last episode, but I'm only in for till the election.

00:09:05.640 So go big or go home.

00:09:07.640 They're never going to have me back.

00:09:08.720 That never happened.

00:09:09.540 I thought you were referring to the one where you challenged them about the Ferguson effect

00:09:12.440 and that no one.

00:09:13.000 Oh, that happened a week before.

00:09:14.460 Did you have the thing with Brian Stelter?

00:09:16.720 No, I was kicked off before the show, before I could have that moment.

00:09:19.540 But that was my planned exit on the show.

00:09:22.420 I know.

00:09:22.940 I would have been better.

00:09:24.340 I know.

00:09:25.060 I know.

00:09:25.500 And I literally was just a snide remark that I said, but that was my third.

00:09:30.520 OK, but wait, I want to go through it, though, because I do want to go through it because

00:09:33.600 I do understand CNN has very, very high standards and they don't allow incendiary rhetoric on

00:09:38.900 their show.

00:09:39.360 So we tried to look through the CNN annals just to find if there were any examples.

00:09:43.320 I mean, it was very, very hard.

00:09:44.480 I'll show you the paltry examples we came up with in Sop 54. 0.87

00:09:47.360 As a black lesbian who Donald Trump doesn't believe has genes as good as his, is he going 0.99

00:09:54.440 to attempt to exterminate me when he gets elected? 1.00

00:09:57.640 Because he's damn near said it. 0.97

00:09:59.340 That's why, David.

00:10:00.360 That's why.

00:10:01.000 Because he's... 0.97

00:10:01.540 OK, and I'm not going to be lectured by some white man who has no idea what he's talking 0.97

00:10:06.260 about.

00:10:06.500 We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is 0.97

00:10:13.720 white men, and we have to start doing something about them. 0.98

00:10:16.760 There is no white guy ban. 0.99

00:10:18.080 Trump is as destructive a person in this century as Hitler, Stalin and Mao were in the last century. 0.81

00:10:24.340 He may be responsible for many more million deaths than they were.

00:10:28.400 What?

00:10:28.420 Bin Laden was a terrorist who committed a horrific act against American people and against our 0.96

00:10:37.440 republic, and I believe that Donald Trump is a terrorist who committed horrific acts. 0.93

00:10:43.440 You voted for the person who the Klan supported. 0.98

00:10:49.260 You voted for the person who Nazis supported. 0.69

00:10:52.580 Boomer Rube demo that backs Donald Trump that wants to think that Donald Trump's a smart 1.00

00:10:58.940 one, and they're all elitist or dumb. 0.99

00:11:02.600 I don't know, Ryan. 0.99

00:11:05.320 I feel like there might have been a double standard.

00:11:08.120 Yeah, and none of that, those things got covered in the New York Times and the Washington Post.

00:11:13.780 Kamala Harris's team sent out memos about my appearance with my comment because I formerly

00:11:20.300 worked for Senator J.D. Vance when his campaign in 2022, the amount of negative coverage I

00:11:28.400 got was so overwhelming, so one-sided, because here's the thing that you, like, to your viewers

00:11:33.920 who don't ever have experience in cable news, here's how cable news, like, really works.

00:11:38.180 You get a memo, and sometimes, as in the case of this show, sometimes as little as 30 minutes

00:11:43.740 before airtime saying this is what you're talking about.

00:11:46.440 And you could have no experience in that type of conversation whatsoever.

00:11:52.100 So in 30 minutes, you have to learn about the subject.

00:11:54.600 Well, think about what people are going to sit there and say.

00:11:56.940 Think about how you're going to control the narrative, because with liberals, you cannot

00:12:00.600 let liberals control a conversation, because you always have to control the conversation

00:12:04.660 when debating liberals.

00:12:05.960 You have to know all that.

00:12:07.300 So when you sit there and watch cable news enough, and you say, how is this person talking

00:12:11.760 about this issue, it's because they got booked, and just they happen to get pegged with this

00:12:16.120 issue.

00:12:16.920 A lot of them are not experts in the issue.

00:12:19.140 They don't have a long time to talk about it, and a lot of it's for their own self-promotion.

00:12:23.180 So it's a very hard and very toxic environment at times.

00:12:27.860 Yes, absolutely.

00:12:28.980 And you know what?

00:12:29.540 I mean, as cable news fights and rhetoric go, like, was this so beyond the pale compared 0.86

00:12:34.600 to what we just went through, that Donald Trump is actually a terrorist, just like Bin 0.97

00:12:40.360 Laden, that he's Hitler, Stalin, and Mao, that white men can neither lecture their black 0.99

00:12:46.940 guests. 0.96

00:12:47.740 You can't speak to her if you're a white man, right?

00:12:50.560 From Don Lemon, who is married to a white man. 0.52

00:12:56.040 Yeah, no, Don Lemon literally is married to a white man and said it's the biggest threat 0.93

00:12:59.220 in the world. 1.00

00:12:59.540 These people are all hypocrites. 0.99

00:13:00.940 And so, you know, I don't know, I could have come off a lot smarter. 0.99

00:13:05.040 I could have talked about, like, Trump's polling with minorities.

00:13:07.740 I could have sat there and made a million things.

00:13:10.100 I just didn't care anymore.

00:13:11.620 So I was like, whatever.

00:13:12.720 Here's where it went south.

00:13:14.400 OK, so here's where it went south.

00:13:17.180 Mehdi Hassan leaned so far into playing the victim.

00:13:22.320 He reminded me of those World Cup soccer players and their drama, pretending that they're hurt so

00:13:28.700 that they can get a red card or whatever on somebody else.

00:13:30.940 It was over the top.

00:13:33.020 He deserves an Academy Award for the did you just say you want me dead? 1.00

00:13:37.940 You just said you want me to be killed. 0.99

00:13:40.580 What is it?

00:13:41.020 It's obviously the beeper thing is a reference to what Israel did to Hamas supporters and members

00:13:46.960 of Hamas where they blew up their beepers and in some cases blew up the men holding the

00:13:51.520 beepers.

00:13:51.920 And he you were saying if you support the Palestinians, you later said you thought he said Hamas.

00:13:58.640 Maybe he has a beeper that I get.

00:14:00.560 That's the comment. 1.00

00:14:01.300 But he how do we get from that to I hope you die like I I want you to be blown up tomorrow. 0.99

00:14:07.740 That was him trying to cause trouble for you. 0.99

00:14:10.760 I noticed he didn't say, are you saying I'm a terrorist?

00:14:15.280 His implications, therefore, I am a terrorist.

00:14:18.440 So it's it just is a natural read to sit there and say what he's saying.

00:14:22.820 He could have actually had a bigger thing about it.

00:14:24.380 And Ashley Allison would not let it even die down, even despite Abby saying, OK, let's

00:14:28.580 bring it down because she has to get control of the show. 1.00

00:14:30.840 So, yeah, it was it was a night.

00:14:35.240 I apologize in the moment to try to bring temperatures down because Abby was asking me

00:14:39.160 to stop and bringing everything calmer.

00:14:41.700 I did hear Hamas in the heat of the moment because I was getting so irritated after he 1.00

00:14:45.160 called me a Nazi and saying that I accused him of anti-Semitism when I literally never

00:14:49.260 heard the guy 48 hours beforehand or I know his no no history.

00:14:52.460 And this is a guy, by the way, Megan, as you said, he wasn't he was off MSNBC in part

00:14:57.020 because of his rhetoric.

00:14:57.880 I don't know if this is low ratings or his rhetoric, but low rhetoric was very, very

00:15:02.660 toxic.

00:15:03.620 And he has said things.

00:15:04.860 Well, we have some of that.

00:15:05.880 Well, stand by.

00:15:06.700 By the way, I just want to correct myself.

00:15:08.240 It wasn't Hamas with it was Hezbollah with the beavers. 0.98

00:15:10.480 But here's a little bit of Mehdi Hassan over on MSNBC.

00:15:14.900 Is it fair to describe the modern GOP as neo-fascist or proto-fascist? 0.95

00:15:20.400 Florida's gone from don't say gay to don't say black. 0.97

00:15:24.000 Now he's graduated from whitewashing black history to simply erasing it.

00:15:28.560 This is what the Republican Party is now.

00:15:30.680 It exists to play up fears and push ideas of right wing victimhood.

00:15:35.600 America's far left wants to give us free health care and free child care. 0.83

00:15:39.080 America's far right wants to give us white supremacy and no democracy. 0.99

00:15:43.220 Palestinians live under a regime of apartheid.

00:15:45.900 If the election deniers on the right win in 2022, in November, next month, to me, democracy

00:15:52.640 looks like it's over in America.

00:15:53.920 Fascism is here to stay. 0.97

00:15:55.280 Woke is often used by conservatives as a way to complain about black people and black activism. 0.94

00:16:00.600 Israel is the occupier of the West Bank and Gaza. 0.98

00:16:02.920 After 9-11 and the launch of a so-called global war on terror, xenophobia and specifically

00:16:08.480 Islamophobia became rampant here in the US.

00:16:11.040 We had to be protected from the dangerous brown hordes at our borders. 1.00

00:16:14.580 That's just a small sampling.

00:16:16.140 But I mean, if you poured over Mehdi Hassan's Israel commentary, you would not emerge confused

00:16:20.900 about how much he loathes the state of Israel.

00:16:24.800 And it's not just that he's a Palestinian supporter.

00:16:26.860 I mean, I listen to John Pedorizor at commentary all the time.

00:16:30.660 He I mean, he would tell you openly, this guy's an anti-Semite.

00:16:33.120 And it's very clear from his cut.

00:16:34.260 He certainly has called him that, I think.

00:16:36.780 I'm trying to remember specifically.

00:16:38.100 There are many people who believe that about Mehdi Hassan.

00:16:41.980 I mean, he's been extremely biased against Israel that that'll pass just fine on CNN.

00:16:48.580 But what you said caused an absolute meltdown.

00:16:52.940 So why do you think that is?

00:16:54.600 Why?

00:16:55.760 Because, you know, I told people at CNN that I told the talent team at CNN when I first

00:17:02.700 was asked to come onto the network that I am not a Republican who apologizes for being

00:17:06.460 a Republican.

00:17:07.160 I'm not a white man who apologizes for being a white man.

00:17:09.240 I don't I don't care.

00:17:10.540 Like, I'm not here for your narrative.

00:17:12.120 And the talent team said that's OK.

00:17:14.400 And my first show I did with Van Jones and went great.

00:17:18.180 And I had a good viral moment out of it talking about polling.

00:17:20.920 And then the second one was about, as you said, mentioned before, the Ferguson effect.

00:17:24.960 And when I talked about crime, they all looked at me like, how could you possibly be saying

00:17:30.840 this?

00:17:31.280 And it was I was going against the narrative.

00:17:35.160 And actually, in the first segment, in the first show I ever did with Van Jones, Van

00:17:39.680 Jones said, my party believed in a lot of crazy things back in 2020.

00:17:43.060 And I said, yeah, it's called Black Lives Matter.

00:17:45.480 Black Lives Matter has a lot of crazy things that they believed in. 0.98

00:17:48.880 And at that moment, it was the first show I ever did.

00:17:50.820 And Abby was like, wait, what?

00:17:52.800 And I remember like Abby's look to me.

00:17:55.260 We didn't go into it.

00:17:56.780 But I was not going to be pushed around.

00:17:59.260 And I think when I did the Ferguson effect comment, and it really was a big story.

00:18:05.560 And Fox covered it and other people covered it because Abby said I was making the term

00:18:10.520 up, that I made the entire thing up.

00:18:12.480 Abby, fill up the anchor. 1.00

00:18:13.720 Let me show it, Ryan.

00:18:14.640 We actually had that clip.

00:18:15.900 Stand by and I'll let you take it on the back end.

00:18:17.780 Here it is.

00:18:19.380 In the context of riots, he was saying, let's just bring the military into it to deal with

00:18:24.100 American citizens.

00:18:25.160 I mean, that happened yesterday.

00:18:26.340 Right, but there are, the post-George Floyd riots resulted in excess of over 15,000 black

00:18:31.160 male deaths in this country.

00:18:32.760 How?

00:18:33.720 How?

00:18:34.480 Yeah.

00:18:34.780 The surge of violent crime, it was like Ferguson.

00:18:37.040 The Ferguson effect and the Floyd effect.

00:18:38.860 Respectfully, you got to explain to me how George Floyd's death resulted in 15.

00:18:43.820 Yes, because you really are a mess.

00:18:45.480 Ryan, we got to stop you there because you're literally making a connection out of your own 0.53

00:18:49.560 conjecture.

00:18:50.180 You cannot just do that.

00:18:50.620 It's a real thing.

00:18:51.320 Look up the Ferguson effect.

00:18:52.720 Look up the Floyd effect.

00:18:53.400 You cannot say that what happened during that time period is to blame for the deaths of

00:19:00.080 other black men due to violence or what have you.

00:19:02.580 It 100% happened.

00:19:03.500 But that literally, and my point to you is that makes absolutely no sense.

00:19:08.160 In terms of connection, I don't, I will read it.

00:19:12.140 And then I will fact check the sources that actually wrote that they.

00:19:17.220 It won't take long to fact check.

00:19:19.680 It's right there.

00:19:20.780 I don't know about the 15,000 number, but there's zero question that many black men and

00:19:25.460 black women have died in these cities as police pulled back. 0.75

00:19:29.520 Yeah.

00:19:29.920 So if you look at the excess deaths from where our starting number was in 2013 to 2022 or 2023,

00:19:36.460 whatever the last number was, it's well over 10,000.

00:19:39.060 And if you add car accident deaths, because there was a decrease in cops pulling over cars

00:19:44.080 with black drivers in them that led to an excess of car accident deaths, you would get to the 1.00

00:19:48.740 15,000 number.

00:19:50.660 Abby wrote the story on the Ferguson effect for the Washington Post 10 years ago.

00:19:56.020 Oh, that's amazing.

00:19:56.640 There is no way she didn't know what it was.

00:20:00.100 There's absolutely no way.

00:20:02.460 CNN covered it.

00:20:04.100 CNN covered the Ferguson effect.

00:20:05.200 Right.

00:20:05.560 I remember that.

00:20:06.960 And them saying it doesn't exist.

00:20:09.140 And I'm sorry, but Bakari Sellers, who was the gentleman arguing to me, he is a professional

00:20:14.640 race hustler.

00:20:15.660 There's no way he didn't hear about it.

00:20:17.320 And other ones sat there and said, yeah, it's real, but it's not, it's not true, which

00:20:20.760 is fine.

00:20:21.200 You can argue the merits to say it's not, I'm making it up on the spot.

00:20:25.860 Like I would just automatically just think of all these words and throw them together

00:20:29.540 and these accusations.

00:20:30.640 I, after that show, I was like, I'm not going to be on this network much longer.

00:20:33.800 Like there's no way you were on a thin read together, Ryan, you were on a very thin read.

00:20:39.640 So there's no tolerance for you.

00:20:41.160 So, okay.

00:20:41.880 So the, uh, the segment ends like in the middle of the thing, and then they pull you aside

00:20:47.020 and they kick you out.

00:20:47.900 And then CNN issues a statement after the fact that reads as follows.

00:20:51.820 There's zero room for racism or bigotry at CNN or on our air, unless it's against white 0.56

00:20:56.920 men, in which case it's fine because we just gave them all some of the examples, Ryan.

00:21:01.940 And we hear that, uh, this woman sitting next to you keeps calling you, calling it white

00:21:05.720 man, white man humor.

00:21:07.420 What does the race have to do it? 0.72

00:21:08.840 Okay, whatever.

00:21:09.960 Fine.

00:21:10.440 We aim to foster thoughtful conversations and debate, including between people who profoundly

00:21:15.780 disagree with each other in order to explore important issues and promote mutual understanding.

00:21:19.520 But we will not allow guests to be demeaned or for the line of civility to be crossed.

00:21:25.680 Ryan will not be welcomed back at our network.

00:21:28.020 We are too highbrow for the likes of Ryan.

00:21:31.520 That's what they tried to say.

00:21:32.780 And then Abby Phillips, who is honestly, like I was open-minded to her when she first got

00:21:36.940 her show.

00:21:37.300 I watched a little bit here and there.

00:21:38.820 She is, uh, she is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

00:21:42.280 She's got like this sort of sweet way of sounding and she's got this calm demeanor and she

00:21:47.680 is as leftist as Nicole Wallace.

00:21:50.300 I mean, she is committed to Kamala Harris.

00:21:53.220 I've watched it enough to know.

00:21:54.720 Here's what she does. 1.00

00:21:55.680 She goes out on the air Monday night as you're, you know, twisting on the vine and, um, says

00:22:02.080 this.

00:22:03.520 I want to just address what happened in the last segment.

00:22:06.900 First, I want to apologize to Mehdi Hassan for what was said at this table.

00:22:10.700 It was completely unacceptable.

00:22:12.820 When we get this discussion started, you'll see that Ryan is not at the table.

00:22:17.020 There is a line that was crossed there and it's not acceptable to me.

00:22:20.860 It's not acceptable to us at this network.

00:22:24.040 We want discussion.

00:22:25.480 We want people who disagree with each other to talk to each other.

00:22:28.880 But when you cross the line of a complete lack of civility, that is not going to happen

00:22:34.340 here on this show.

00:22:36.040 The line of civility does not include a black woman saying that Donald Trump is going to 0.96

00:22:42.080 exterminate me or refusing to be lectured to by a white man because white men don't have 0.93

00:22:49.280 the right to speak to black women on CNN in the way we saw in that clip. 1.00

00:22:53.420 This is such an absurd theater. 0.92

00:22:56.080 Like I, I barely have tolerance for it to just to watch them cloak themselves in this

00:23:00.800 holier than thou act as though this is CNN.

00:23:04.360 How dare you come and pollute their airwaves?

00:23:06.320 But this is what they've chosen to do.

00:23:07.960 And then I'll just give you one more.

00:23:08.920 Abby Phillip then goes out, um, and, and wants to reassure everybody that Mehdi Hassan had also

00:23:15.220 left the set, but not because he'd been thrown off because he's allowed to say whatever he

00:23:19.380 wants.

00:23:19.720 Here she, here she is. 0.98

00:23:20.460 As you may have seen, Ryan was asked to leave the show and we have put out a statement saying

00:23:28.620 that, um, he's not welcome back on our air.

00:23:32.380 There is a line here on this program and it was crossed, but I want to be clear as well

00:23:38.420 that we did not ask Mehdi, uh, to not come back.

00:23:42.360 In fact, we really wanted him to come back and finish the show.

00:23:45.640 We had a lot to talk to him about.

00:23:47.220 Um, and we really hope that he'll join us again soon.

00:23:50.560 But for those of you who are wondering why he did not come back, I just want to be super

00:23:55.560 clear that that was not, uh, in any way because we didn't want him back.

00:24:02.340 So he's fine.

00:24:03.720 He's fine.

00:24:05.000 He can act like you called for him to be assassinated, which is not at all what you did.

00:24:09.740 Uh, but you're gone forever.

00:24:11.140 It's the thing it one, truthfully, I mean, Abby has always been nice to me off air, always

00:24:17.700 on air.

00:24:18.380 She always cut me off and, and fought with me and said things they said weren't true, 0.76

00:24:21.660 but off air, she was very pleasant.

00:24:23.340 So I have nothing personal against her whatsoever.

00:24:25.540 I also, I have nothing personal against her.

00:24:27.600 I just, yeah.

00:24:28.300 Professionally, she's a hack.

00:24:30.660 What?

00:24:31.120 Well, yeah, because you, so that Ferguson, uh, episode, she asked Bakari, Bakari off commercial

00:24:38.020 break was like, it's not going to be close.

00:24:40.040 We're going to know on election night, she's going to win. 0.72

00:24:42.540 She's going to be in DC.

00:24:43.680 And Abby was like, Abby said off air, like she's like, I got to be in DC.

00:24:47.460 Then when she wins, I got to be there for the first black female president. 0.92

00:24:50.080 And it was, you know, there's no if, ands or buts that who she's rooting for.

00:24:56.580 Um, and I get it like, whatever, that's fine.

00:25:00.440 That's the game.

00:25:01.040 And also I'm not on scene anymore.

00:25:02.940 I will live.

00:25:03.520 I will carry on.

00:25:04.400 It will not be the worst thing that ever happened to me in this life.

00:25:06.860 Trust me.

00:25:07.340 Um, but that was, but that is, there is an open bias.

00:25:11.060 And every single time you would go to do this show or any of the shows on CNN that I did,

00:25:15.740 the both shows that I'd done CNN, you, every angle is a negative Republican angle.

00:25:19.940 Every angle, you have to sit there and be on the defensive unless you control the topic.

00:25:25.660 So, you know, I, I had to sit there and say something to control the topic at all times.

00:25:30.520 Um, was it uncivil?

00:25:32.820 Sure.

00:25:33.300 Was it anything on more uncivil than what Don Lemon said on the network or what?

00:25:37.120 Um, or also was it more untruthful than what Brian Stelter has said on that network?

00:25:42.960 I mean, or anybody else?

00:25:45.460 There's so much vitriol.

00:25:47.080 And this is how much people have watered down the term Nazism to the point where like, you

00:25:52.420 know, he met, he sat there and said that Trump was using the words of Joseph Garble.

00:25:56.240 Like, and that was what irritated me. 0.92

00:25:58.940 You who have said things, he called all non-Muslims animals. 1.00

00:26:03.080 He called gay people pedophiles. 1.00

00:26:05.520 He has said horrendous things in his past. 0.99

00:26:08.160 And I don't care if he's apologized, whatever, that's fine.

00:26:10.560 He has said horrendous things in his past.

00:26:13.620 You have had, he has said much more of the vitriol closer to those people than Donald Trump has.

00:26:19.800 And you're not allowed to say that. 0.95

00:26:22.160 Otherwise, you're, you're just an angry white man. 0.99

00:26:25.220 I'm like, all right, whatever. 0.95

00:26:26.500 Don't have me back on your, your show with a 200,000 viewers and like 89,000 in the prime demo.

00:26:32.740 I mean, it's fine.

00:26:33.940 It's totally fine.

00:26:35.020 I won't do it.

00:26:36.100 Far, far more people will see you on the show than saw you on, on that appearance.

00:26:40.240 Um, not only did, did they let him get away with calling Donald Trump Goebbels, but Hillary Clinton was on their air a week earlier, not even days earlier saying this was an MSG.

00:26:53.920 This thing was a Nazi rally.

00:26:55.580 Here it is.

00:26:56.140 Watch.

00:26:56.360 And, you know, one other thing that you'll see next week, Caitlin, is Trump actually, uh, reenacting, uh, the Madison Square Garden rally in 1939.

00:27:10.820 I write about this in my book.

00:27:12.880 Reenacting.

00:27:13.280 Uh, President Franklin Roosevelt was appalled that neo-Nazis, fascists in America were lining up to essentially pledge their support for the kind of government that they were seeing in Germany.

00:27:29.840 So I don't think we can ignore it.

00:27:33.420 But they won't allow the line of civility to be crossed at CNN, Ryan.

00:27:38.080 Got it?

00:27:38.600 Do we understand each other?

00:27:39.620 Earlier in that segment, before I said the beeper joke, I said that people were saying everyone who attended that rally was a fascist.

00:27:48.060 And Abby said, that's just not true.

00:27:50.160 They said it on her network.

00:27:51.840 Does she not even watch CNN?

00:27:53.620 Like, it is mind-blowing the fact that everyone in that audience has to be gaslit.

00:28:00.480 And every once in a while, the truth's allowed to leak out.

00:28:02.760 Democrats either have a real moment or they have a smart Republican on, not for very long usually.

00:28:07.900 But that does happen occasionally.

00:28:09.620 But the narrative that has to be controlled, that they have to be pro-Harris, that if you have a thought that, you know, that racial equality hasn't moved anywhere from the 1950s, if you have a thought that we could have, like, you know, real facts over crime or other major issues.

00:28:26.780 I said in one segment in another episode how our immigration system was bringing over so many millions of Muslims over the last few decades, we will soon have a country that has more Muslims than Jews.

00:28:40.560 And that will affect our policy towards Israel if we continue our current immigration system.

00:28:44.580 And one of my co-panelists goes, how do you think that that makes Jews feel, you saying that out loud?

00:28:50.540 I was like, I don't know.

00:28:52.440 I just said a fact.

00:28:54.060 I don't, you know, they could feel however they want to feel.

00:28:56.780 I don't, I'm not here to sit there and tell them how to feel.

00:28:59.200 Well, I'm telling them facts that is based on real data.

00:29:02.460 And if you don't like that, then you should approach your congressman about our immigration policy.

00:29:06.760 But that's not for me to sit there and say, that's for me to sit there and say, here's a fact.

00:29:10.440 I'm on a news channel talking about information, you know, and interpreting in some ways.

00:29:15.360 But I'm not telling an open lie.

00:29:17.000 So let me ask you this.

00:29:19.040 What, if you could have a do-over on that segment, what would you do differently?

00:29:23.220 I probably, I probably would have waited until the Brian Seltzer thing to go off, honestly.

00:29:27.360 I would have just sat there and said, if Trump is so racist, as you have screamed on this network for the last decade, 0.66

00:29:32.420 why is his support with blacks, Muslims, Jews, and Hispanics at all-time high levels? 0.91

00:29:36.340 Because nothing you say matters.

00:29:38.180 That's what I probably would have said.

00:29:39.820 Waited until the Brian Seltzer thing, then called CNN fake news, and then left in blades of glory anyway.

00:29:44.540 But that's what I, that's what I would have done.

00:29:47.000 Do you have any regrets about apologizing?

00:29:50.500 Um, I, no, I did it to be civil in the moment.

00:29:54.420 I mean, it wasn't like the most sincere thing in the world, I'll admit, but it wasn't, I didn't, I didn't do it.

00:29:59.840 I did it, and because Abby was the host, and she said, bring it down a notch.

00:30:03.340 She said, okay, I'll bring it down a notch.

00:30:04.600 I'll apologize.

00:30:05.600 Because I'm, you know, I'm a man, and if someone says they insult me, and then they apologize five seconds later, I brush it off.

00:30:11.400 I'm like, okay, fine.

00:30:12.940 You know, in a different time.

00:30:14.440 I don't, I really don't think it was necessary.

00:30:16.460 Had I been anchoring that segment, and you said that, I would have recognized it as, you know, a little too far.

00:30:22.080 And I would have said, all right, hold on that, we're not going to be doing the beeper jokes here.

00:30:27.260 And, and he would have been like, yeah, and you would have been like, okay, you got me.

00:30:31.300 And that would have been it.

00:30:32.300 We would have, they blew you up, again, pardon the pun, on purpose.

00:30:36.520 They saw an opportunity to humiliate you, and embarrass you, and act, and virtue signal to their audience that they're better than you, because they don't talk like that on CNN.

00:30:46.980 And they took it, and they made you their sacrificial lamb.

00:30:49.900 You know, it was good, as this audience knows, I'm very, very much in favor now of cancel culture, because it separates people who don't belong in an organization from that organization.

00:30:59.140 And, and almost always, that inures to the benefit of the person who's been separated.

00:31:03.940 So, you are now liberated from this prison of words, where you're allowed to say all bad things about the white guys, but not one bad thing about Mehdi Hassan, in jest, that he then gets to use to make himself sound like he's a persecuted man.

00:31:17.460 I hope you feel okay about it, and I'm sure I'll be seeing a lot more of you.

00:31:22.760 Yeah, I, you know what, this is not my day job, it was never my dream.

00:31:25.680 I do school board elections for the 1776 Project Pack, that's my big thing.

00:31:30.400 We've been doing it for three years now, it's super successful.

00:31:33.220 I don't dream of ever, I was never going to get a TV show, I was never going to be anything big.

00:31:37.800 It was, it was a blip in the map, and I'm back to school board elections now.

00:31:41.860 Well, I enjoyed your stint as the head person, so.

00:31:46.260 Thank you.

00:31:46.700 I miss you here at the Megyn Kelly Show, but maybe we'll see you again right here.

00:31:50.360 All right, that's great, thank you.

00:31:52.220 Thanks for coming on.

00:31:53.600 All right, what an interesting exchange, right?

00:31:55.940 It's just the sanctimony of CNN, please spare me.

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00:32:57.140 Now it's time for Asked and Answered, where I answer some of the questions that you guys send us via email.

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00:33:12.960 Here to bring this week's latest, my executive producer, Steve Krakauer.

00:33:17.120 Hey, Steve.

00:33:18.320 Hey, Megan.

00:33:18.860 How's it going?

00:33:19.220 All right, we've got our first question from Sam, who is a Democrat viewer and listener of the show.

00:33:25.940 He says he disagrees with some of your policy issues, but values the show to keep him informed.

00:33:31.480 His question is, do you think there's a scenario where Trump could legitimately lose next week and concede?

00:33:38.420 I think so.

00:33:41.080 I think it would have to be a landslide.

00:33:43.300 I mean, I think it would just have to be indisputable, where she just crushed him.

00:33:46.380 And then I think even Trump, I mean, he'll complain and he'll say it was stolen and he'll say it was unfair and the media and all those things.

00:33:54.060 But I don't think he'll continue with the behavior we saw last time.

00:33:59.020 Now, I will say, like, he wouldn't say in advance of 2020 that he would concede if he lost.

00:34:05.100 And I remember doing a hit with somebody saying, he's not going to do that.

00:34:10.160 Like, he will concede.

00:34:11.340 And he did ultimately leave office.

00:34:13.140 I don't know if he ever really conceded.

00:34:15.360 But I underestimated just how committed he was to his threats in 2020.

00:34:22.340 I think it will be a little easier this time if he loses, though, because he's not in office.

00:34:27.520 You know, it's not like being fired and forced to leave the White House, which has an extra element of, you know, just failure to it and not disgrace, but, you know, embarrassment, which Trump does not handle well, as we know.

00:34:42.400 So I think if he loses in a landslide, he will concede.

00:34:46.820 But anything short of that and buckle up.

00:34:49.660 That's right.

00:34:51.580 Yeah.

00:34:51.780 By the way, people forget, you know, he left it as the tradition.

00:34:54.780 He left a very nice note for Biden and it remained private.

00:34:59.020 But he left that note, the good luck in your term that Biden said was a very nice note.

00:35:04.260 So he did walk away from the White House.

00:35:07.300 He did.

00:35:07.640 He didn't go to the inauguration, which.

00:35:09.500 No, we didn't like because we like to see our outgoing president show up at the new president's inauguration and show that America matters more than anything.

00:35:20.480 Like we're we're classy.

00:35:22.620 We're still we're Americans first.

00:35:24.340 And we don't let these petty political grievances spoil these moments of pageantry in our country.

00:35:30.420 That didn't happen, which I think many people did not like.

00:35:33.580 And, you know, we've never seen somebody contest the peaceful transfer of power quite the way that Trump did with the J6, all that stuff. 0.85

00:35:40.880 That's why people are holding it against him.

00:35:42.360 Right.

00:35:42.680 But ultimately, he was not forced out of office.

00:35:45.860 And the system held.

00:35:47.420 The system did hold.

00:35:48.780 The courts did what they did.

00:35:49.840 He's still angry about it.

00:35:51.140 But Trump did leave office.

00:35:52.780 And we had four years of Joe Biden.

00:35:54.060 And we all saw how that worked out.

00:35:55.520 Go ahead, Steve.

00:35:56.660 That's right.

00:35:57.560 All right.

00:35:58.100 This next one is from Tiffany.

00:35:59.280 She says she appreciates the show, especially how you speak your mind with, quote, no fear.

00:36:04.300 Her question is, what has been the most influential factor in building your confidence?

00:36:10.500 Oh, well, OK, I have two thoughts on it, Stephanie.

00:36:15.600 Number one, I do my homework.

00:36:18.960 And so if you really, really know your subject matter, it gives you confidence to speak about it.

00:36:22.380 And I always say the following to people.

00:36:25.080 Like if somebody said to you, Stephanie, explain why your hair is the color it is.

00:36:30.620 You could walk them through exactly why your hair is the color it is.

00:36:33.180 Well, my mom's hair look like this or my, you know, I my mom's hair look differently than mine did.

00:36:36.920 But so I dyed it and this is the color I dye it.

00:36:39.400 And I go to this guy and he whatever, whatever the story is.

00:36:42.000 But you could speak about it confidently and really add details on it because it's something you know better than anybody.

00:36:49.040 Well, just apply that knowledge base to anything, you know, to the news, to Trump, to Kamala, to policy, to Medicare.

00:36:55.460 It could be anything.

00:36:56.640 And as long as you really know the subject matter, you can speak about it confidently.

00:36:59.820 So it's really the number one thing is homework.

00:37:02.180 And then the second thing is, to the extent I have any sort of natural confidence, it is very much due to my parents who never, never gave me any false praise.

00:37:14.400 Never, never, never, never.

00:37:16.860 One could make the case they were they were slightly too brutally honest.

00:37:20.780 But it had its gifts, right?

00:37:22.940 It gave me a very good sense of self-awareness.

00:37:26.380 And I don't think I'm good at things that I'm not good at.

00:37:29.720 And I don't really think I'm bad at things that I am good at, right?

00:37:34.320 Like, I think I have a really good read on what my talents or weaknesses are, which does help one's confidence.

00:37:42.620 Because it's like you're not constantly swinging and missing.

00:37:45.480 You're not constantly getting different feedback from the world than what's in your head.

00:37:49.460 You know, it kind of matches up, which gives you more confidence to take another risk if your instincts are telling you to take a risk and so on.

00:37:56.860 I really do think that faint praise is a deep problem.

00:38:00.940 We try not to do it with our kids.

00:38:02.560 I think I'm a little sweeter than my mom, who I love.

00:38:06.760 But that kind of worries me, too, because her system worked very well in this way.

00:38:12.420 So anyway, that's my thought on it, Stephanie.

00:38:15.420 Yeah, self-awareness.

00:38:16.320 So huge.

00:38:16.880 Well, that kind of dovetails with the next one here.

00:38:18.400 This is from Bree.

00:38:19.460 Who says she's so impressed with your ability to stand resolute in your opinions.

00:38:23.160 She wants to know if you believe your strong principles and moral centeredness are more of a result of innate nature or early nurturing.

00:38:33.260 I think that one is nature, not nurture.

00:38:38.640 I was always sort of like an outgoing person when I was young, but I wasn't running around like having to tell everybody my opinions on things or having to dominate the discussion.

00:38:50.200 And even in my personal life right now, I would definitely say I'm more of a beta on a personal basis.

00:38:55.820 If I go out to dinner, I don't have to dominate the conversation.

00:38:58.260 I'm thrilled, actually, to let somebody else run herd at the dinner table and just take in the show.

00:39:04.500 In fact, I'm attracted to people with big personalities where they're the ones who are on and sort of the stars.

00:39:09.980 But I think to the extent you're having that impression about me, I think it's just because I'm steeped in the news and in these subjects.

00:39:18.740 So I feel comfortable talking about them.

00:39:21.000 And if somebody wants to hear from me on them, I'm happy to to speak.

00:39:24.760 Right. Like I do know my facts back to the earlier question.

00:39:28.380 And I'm happy to walk somebody down the lane where I where I get like more assertive and more like dominant is when I hear a bunch of nonsense being spewed in my presence.

00:39:40.900 And I will tell you, Brie, I try to hold my tongue for as long as I can.

00:39:45.860 And then if the person keeps pushing me, eventually I'm going to have to let them have it.

00:39:51.100 Um, it doesn't happen often, but there was this one crazy dinner that we had years ago.

00:39:57.520 And the person who was at the other end of the table doing this was the skier Bodie Miller.

00:40:03.880 And he was saying all sorts of stuff about cops and black men.

00:40:08.760 And it wound up in one of the most epic social nights of our life.

00:40:13.680 But it was because of that.

00:40:15.380 While normally I would not attack Bodie Miller, who I really admire and think his accomplishments are just second to none.

00:40:20.060 And he was out of his lane and he was saying a bunch of nonsense.

00:40:24.980 So that's when I felt compelled to speak up, Brie.

00:40:28.840 I'm sure you're not surprised.

00:40:31.760 I'm sure she's not.

00:40:32.760 All right.

00:40:32.940 Well, that was great.

00:40:33.580 Keep them coming.

00:40:34.300 Next time we do this, we'll be after the election or at least after election day.

00:40:38.120 Oh, my gosh.

00:40:39.260 There's I think we're going to have a few things to talk about.

00:40:41.440 I'm predicting I can see in the future and I predict we'll have plenty to discuss the next time we do one of these extras.

00:40:47.600 That's right.

00:40:49.160 Absolutely.

00:40:49.780 See you then.

00:40:50.420 All right.

00:40:50.820 Thanks, everybody, for writing in.

00:40:52.340 It's Megan at MeganKelley.com.

00:40:55.440 And thanks to Steve as well.

00:40:56.720 We're back later today.

00:40:57.980 See you then.

00:41:02.580 Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - October 31, 2024

Getting Banned By CNN Over On-Air Battle, with Ryan Girdusky, and Megyn on Speaking Out Without Fear ｜ Ep. 931

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