Getting Banned By CNN Over On-Air Battle, with Ryan Girdusky, and Megyn on Speaking Out Without Fear | Ep. 931
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Ryan Gerdusky is a Republican strategist and the founder of the 1776 Project, a conservative organization dedicated to fighting for conservative causes. In this exclusive interview, Ryan talks about a CNN panel that descended into chaos when Meghan Hassan called Donald Trump a Nazi.
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Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on SiriusXM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.
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Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and this special AM episode.
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We've got Vivek Ramaswamy, Ben Shapiro, so many more.
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Looking forward to spending that evening with all of you.
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Okay. Earlier this week, there was this bizarre exchange on CNN that caught our attention.
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We wanted to take a dive into it. There was a CNN panel that descended into chaos,
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I think it's fair to say, after Mehdi Hassan, the former MSNBC host,
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who was too leftist even for MSNBC on the Israel-Gaza conflict, was on the panel
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and criticized Trump and the speakers at the Madison Square Garden rally
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before calling the former president and his supporters Nazis.
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Then another panelist, conservative Ryan Gerdusky, responded.
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And the response subsequently has gotten him banned from the network.
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I mean, multiple people are coming out and just attacking him now.
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And there's obviously a clear double standard at play with CNN that we're going to get into
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in this exclusive interview with the man at the center of the controversy,
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and that is Ryan Gerdusky. He's a Republican strategist and the founder of the 1776 Project.
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I'll just play it for the audience, and then we'll get your reaction to it.
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The audience knows we're not huge fans of Mehdi Hassan here at the MK Show,
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but we're going to watch this with an open mind.
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I mean, I'm glad you played that clip, because all day long,
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the Trump campaign have been saying, it's a comedian, it's a comedian, it's a comedian.
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Park the comedian and what he said, and you still have Rudy Giuliani,
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you still have his childhood friend, you still have his donor saying the pimp handlers.
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Just one of those people, 10 years ago, would have ended a Republican campaign.
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There was still Tucker Carlson doing replacement.
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And then Trump himself turned up and talked about invading and occupying our country,
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He talked about enemy of the people, which is Joseph Goebbels.
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He talked about the enemy within, which is literally Hitler.
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My problem is, I get it, nobody wants to be called Nazis.
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But if you don't want to be called Nazis, stop doing...
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You've been called a Nazi Semite more than he crosses the table.
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I'm a supporter of the Palestinians I'm used to.
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Guys, you said I would just stop that right now.
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Are you a racist, violent person inciting violence against me?
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Let's have first block say the Muslim guy should be blown up on TV.
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What's funny is Rudy Giuliani said this yesterday, so you're a great guest to be here.
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I told my girl, I wasn't going to entertain nonsense today.
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Let's just backtrack right before that happened.
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This is my fourth time, technically three times in one quarter, because I didn't last
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The producers had changed the entire script or most of the script right before the show.
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And I was really irritated because rather than doing a segment on foreign policy and
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on inflation, we were doing multiple segments on this.
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So I went in a very irritated and in the wrong mood, truly.
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Before even this clip played, they played like two and a half minutes of the Madison Square
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And the woman to my right, Ashley Allison, who has been extremely rude to me in the past
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on the network, was making comments, oh, white man humor.
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And when he said Nazis, he looked directly at me and the former congressman, Scott Taylor,
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He wasn't talking about just people at the rally.
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And then, I mean, I did not really know a lot of him about his son previous to being on
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But then he said that I had called him an anti-Semite.
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Now, I know his history because of like those 24 hours or 48 hours beforehand that I googled
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him, and he has said vicious things about a lot of people, especially Jews, especially
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So for him to sit there and say someone else who's got Jews in his family, who was the
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most pro-Israel president of our life, I'm saying he is Joseph Goebbels.
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He's not cracked down for accusing me of calling him an anti-Semite, which I never did.
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At the point afterwards, Abby was like, Ryan, calm it down.
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I don't think you could hear over the over talking.
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I did not say I hope there was violence against him.
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I didn't mean to get you in any trouble with any overheads.
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So that's the producer into the talent person and CNN said, you know, it was just a heat
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And they said, we understand, you know, it's just like not right for the segment.
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And then I left and didn't really think anything of it.
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And it was just it was just then blew up extremely, literally, no pun intended.
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Now, I'm very grateful that CNN had me on as many times as they did in the month that
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But this is a network that has people on constantly who say horrendous things about Republicans,
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horrendous things about Trump supporters, horrendous things about, you know, Trump himself,
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And it was the immense double standards that no conservative can really live by unless they
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are a self-hating conservative who's going to sit there and tell them all the time why
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unless you're Adam Kinzinger, you can't survive in that environment.
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So I kind of always knew that my time there was ending.
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I actually thought I would be kicked off the show at the last segment because it was it
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was a segment with Brian Stelter on Accuracy in the Media.
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And I was just going to sit there and tell Brian on air, you need to apologize for lying
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repeatedly on this network about Russiagate, about COVID, about, you know, about Stormy Daniels
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lawyer that you had on about, you know, I was going to sit there and have a moment and
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say, no, you're being lied to on this network constantly because they care about a narrative.
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And I was like, this will be my last episode, but I'm only in for till the election.
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I thought you were referring to the one where you challenged them about the Ferguson effect
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No, I was kicked off before the show, before I could have that moment.
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And I literally was just a snide remark that I said, but that was my third.
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OK, but wait, I want to go through it, though, because I do want to go through it because
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I do understand CNN has very, very high standards and they don't allow incendiary rhetoric on
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So we tried to look through the CNN annals just to find if there were any examples.
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I'll show you the paltry examples we came up with in Sop 54.
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As a black lesbian who Donald Trump doesn't believe has genes as good as his, is he going
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to attempt to exterminate me when he gets elected?
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OK, and I'm not going to be lectured by some white man who has no idea what he's talking
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We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is
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white men, and we have to start doing something about them.
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Trump is as destructive a person in this century as Hitler, Stalin and Mao were in the last century.
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He may be responsible for many more million deaths than they were.
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Bin Laden was a terrorist who committed a horrific act against American people and against our
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republic, and I believe that Donald Trump is a terrorist who committed horrific acts.
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You voted for the person who the Klan supported.
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Boomer Rube demo that backs Donald Trump that wants to think that Donald Trump's a smart
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I feel like there might have been a double standard.
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Yeah, and none of that, those things got covered in the New York Times and the Washington Post.
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Kamala Harris's team sent out memos about my appearance with my comment because I formerly
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worked for Senator J.D. Vance when his campaign in 2022, the amount of negative coverage I
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got was so overwhelming, so one-sided, because here's the thing that you, like, to your viewers
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who don't ever have experience in cable news, here's how cable news, like, really works.
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You get a memo, and sometimes, as in the case of this show, sometimes as little as 30 minutes
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before airtime saying this is what you're talking about.
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And you could have no experience in that type of conversation whatsoever.
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So in 30 minutes, you have to learn about the subject.
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Well, think about what people are going to sit there and say.
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Think about how you're going to control the narrative, because with liberals, you cannot
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let liberals control a conversation, because you always have to control the conversation
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So when you sit there and watch cable news enough, and you say, how is this person talking
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about this issue, it's because they got booked, and just they happen to get pegged with this
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They don't have a long time to talk about it, and a lot of it's for their own self-promotion.
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So it's a very hard and very toxic environment at times.
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I mean, as cable news fights and rhetoric go, like, was this so beyond the pale compared
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to what we just went through, that Donald Trump is actually a terrorist, just like Bin
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Laden, that he's Hitler, Stalin, and Mao, that white men can neither lecture their black
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You can't speak to her if you're a white man, right?
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Yeah, no, Don Lemon literally is married to a white man and said it's the biggest threat
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And so, you know, I don't know, I could have come off a lot smarter.
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I could have talked about, like, Trump's polling with minorities.
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I could have sat there and made a million things.
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Mehdi Hassan leaned so far into playing the victim.
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He reminded me of those World Cup soccer players and their drama, pretending that they're hurt so
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that they can get a red card or whatever on somebody else.
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He deserves an Academy Award for the did you just say you want me dead?
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It's obviously the beeper thing is a reference to what Israel did to Hamas supporters and members
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of Hamas where they blew up their beepers and in some cases blew up the men holding the
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And he you were saying if you support the Palestinians, you later said you thought he said Hamas.
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But he how do we get from that to I hope you die like I I want you to be blown up tomorrow.
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I noticed he didn't say, are you saying I'm a terrorist?
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So it's it just is a natural read to sit there and say what he's saying.
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He could have actually had a bigger thing about it.
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And Ashley Allison would not let it even die down, even despite Abby saying, OK, let's
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bring it down because she has to get control of the show.
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I apologize in the moment to try to bring temperatures down because Abby was asking me
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I did hear Hamas in the heat of the moment because I was getting so irritated after he
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called me a Nazi and saying that I accused him of anti-Semitism when I literally never
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heard the guy 48 hours beforehand or I know his no no history.
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And this is a guy, by the way, Megan, as you said, he wasn't he was off MSNBC in part
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I don't know if this is low ratings or his rhetoric, but low rhetoric was very, very
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It wasn't Hamas with it was Hezbollah with the beavers.
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But here's a little bit of Mehdi Hassan over on MSNBC.
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Is it fair to describe the modern GOP as neo-fascist or proto-fascist?
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Florida's gone from don't say gay to don't say black.
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Now he's graduated from whitewashing black history to simply erasing it.
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It exists to play up fears and push ideas of right wing victimhood.
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America's far left wants to give us free health care and free child care.
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America's far right wants to give us white supremacy and no democracy.
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If the election deniers on the right win in 2022, in November, next month, to me, democracy
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Woke is often used by conservatives as a way to complain about black people and black activism.
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Israel is the occupier of the West Bank and Gaza.
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After 9-11 and the launch of a so-called global war on terror, xenophobia and specifically
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We had to be protected from the dangerous brown hordes at our borders.
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But I mean, if you poured over Mehdi Hassan's Israel commentary, you would not emerge confused
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And it's not just that he's a Palestinian supporter.
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I mean, I listen to John Pedorizor at commentary all the time.
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He I mean, he would tell you openly, this guy's an anti-Semite.
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There are many people who believe that about Mehdi Hassan.
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I mean, he's been extremely biased against Israel that that'll pass just fine on CNN.
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Because, you know, I told people at CNN that I told the talent team at CNN when I first
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was asked to come onto the network that I am not a Republican who apologizes for being
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I'm not a white man who apologizes for being a white man.
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And my first show I did with Van Jones and went great.
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And I had a good viral moment out of it talking about polling.
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And then the second one was about, as you said, mentioned before, the Ferguson effect.
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And when I talked about crime, they all looked at me like, how could you possibly be saying
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And actually, in the first segment, in the first show I ever did with Van Jones, Van
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Jones said, my party believed in a lot of crazy things back in 2020.
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And I said, yeah, it's called Black Lives Matter.
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Black Lives Matter has a lot of crazy things that they believed in.
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And at that moment, it was the first show I ever did.
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And I think when I did the Ferguson effect comment, and it really was a big story.
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And Fox covered it and other people covered it because Abby said I was making the term
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Stand by and I'll let you take it on the back end.
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In the context of riots, he was saying, let's just bring the military into it to deal with
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Right, but there are, the post-George Floyd riots resulted in excess of over 15,000 black
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The surge of violent crime, it was like Ferguson.
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Respectfully, you got to explain to me how George Floyd's death resulted in 15.
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Ryan, we got to stop you there because you're literally making a connection out of your own
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You cannot say that what happened during that time period is to blame for the deaths of
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other black men due to violence or what have you.
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But that literally, and my point to you is that makes absolutely no sense.
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In terms of connection, I don't, I will read it.
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And then I will fact check the sources that actually wrote that they.
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I don't know about the 15,000 number, but there's zero question that many black men and
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black women have died in these cities as police pulled back.
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So if you look at the excess deaths from where our starting number was in 2013 to 2022 or 2023,
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whatever the last number was, it's well over 10,000.
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And if you add car accident deaths, because there was a decrease in cops pulling over cars
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with black drivers in them that led to an excess of car accident deaths, you would get to the
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Abby wrote the story on the Ferguson effect for the Washington Post 10 years ago.
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And I'm sorry, but Bakari Sellers, who was the gentleman arguing to me, he is a professional
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And other ones sat there and said, yeah, it's real, but it's not, it's not true, which
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You can argue the merits to say it's not, I'm making it up on the spot.
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Like I would just automatically just think of all these words and throw them together
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I, after that show, I was like, I'm not going to be on this network much longer.
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Like there's no way you were on a thin read together, Ryan, you were on a very thin read.
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So the, uh, the segment ends like in the middle of the thing, and then they pull you aside
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And then CNN issues a statement after the fact that reads as follows.
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There's zero room for racism or bigotry at CNN or on our air, unless it's against white
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men, in which case it's fine because we just gave them all some of the examples, Ryan.
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And we hear that, uh, this woman sitting next to you keeps calling you, calling it white
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We aim to foster thoughtful conversations and debate, including between people who profoundly
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disagree with each other in order to explore important issues and promote mutual understanding.
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But we will not allow guests to be demeaned or for the line of civility to be crossed.
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And then Abby Phillips, who is honestly, like I was open-minded to her when she first got
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She's got like this sort of sweet way of sounding and she's got this calm demeanor and she
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She goes out on the air Monday night as you're, you know, twisting on the vine and, um, says
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I want to just address what happened in the last segment.
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First, I want to apologize to Mehdi Hassan for what was said at this table.
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When we get this discussion started, you'll see that Ryan is not at the table.
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There is a line that was crossed there and it's not acceptable to me.
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We want people who disagree with each other to talk to each other.
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But when you cross the line of a complete lack of civility, that is not going to happen
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The line of civility does not include a black woman saying that Donald Trump is going to
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exterminate me or refusing to be lectured to by a white man because white men don't have
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the right to speak to black women on CNN in the way we saw in that clip.
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Like I, I barely have tolerance for it to just to watch them cloak themselves in this
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Abby Phillip then goes out, um, and, and wants to reassure everybody that Mehdi Hassan had also
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left the set, but not because he'd been thrown off because he's allowed to say whatever he
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As you may have seen, Ryan was asked to leave the show and we have put out a statement saying
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There is a line here on this program and it was crossed, but I want to be clear as well
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that we did not ask Mehdi, uh, to not come back.
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In fact, we really wanted him to come back and finish the show.
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Um, and we really hope that he'll join us again soon.
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But for those of you who are wondering why he did not come back, I just want to be super
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clear that that was not, uh, in any way because we didn't want him back.
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He can act like you called for him to be assassinated, which is not at all what you did.
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It's the thing it one, truthfully, I mean, Abby has always been nice to me off air, always
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She always cut me off and, and fought with me and said things they said weren't true,
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So I have nothing personal against her whatsoever.
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Well, yeah, because you, so that Ferguson, uh, episode, she asked Bakari, Bakari off commercial
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We're going to know on election night, she's going to win.
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And Abby was like, Abby said off air, like she's like, I got to be in DC.
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Then when she wins, I got to be there for the first black female president.
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And it was, you know, there's no if, ands or buts that who she's rooting for.
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It will not be the worst thing that ever happened to me in this life.
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Um, but that was, but that is, there is an open bias.
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And every single time you would go to do this show or any of the shows on CNN that I did,
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the both shows that I'd done CNN, you, every angle is a negative Republican angle.
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Every angle, you have to sit there and be on the defensive unless you control the topic.
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So, you know, I, I had to sit there and say something to control the topic at all times.
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Was it anything on more uncivil than what Don Lemon said on the network or what?
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Um, or also was it more untruthful than what Brian Stelter has said on that network?
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And this is how much people have watered down the term Nazism to the point where like, you
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know, he met, he sat there and said that Trump was using the words of Joseph Garble.
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You who have said things, he called all non-Muslims animals.
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And I don't care if he's apologized, whatever, that's fine.
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You have had, he has said much more of the vitriol closer to those people than Donald Trump has.
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Otherwise, you're, you're just an angry white man.
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Don't have me back on your, your show with a 200,000 viewers and like 89,000 in the prime demo.
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Far, far more people will see you on the show than saw you on, on that appearance.
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Um, not only did, did they let him get away with calling Donald Trump Goebbels, but Hillary Clinton was on their air a week earlier, not even days earlier saying this was an MSG.
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And, you know, one other thing that you'll see next week, Caitlin, is Trump actually, uh, reenacting, uh, the Madison Square Garden rally in 1939.
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Uh, President Franklin Roosevelt was appalled that neo-Nazis, fascists in America were lining up to essentially pledge their support for the kind of government that they were seeing in Germany.
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But they won't allow the line of civility to be crossed at CNN, Ryan.
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Earlier in that segment, before I said the beeper joke, I said that people were saying everyone who attended that rally was a fascist.
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Like, it is mind-blowing the fact that everyone in that audience has to be gaslit.
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And every once in a while, the truth's allowed to leak out.
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Democrats either have a real moment or they have a smart Republican on, not for very long usually.
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But the narrative that has to be controlled, that they have to be pro-Harris, that if you have a thought that, you know, that racial equality hasn't moved anywhere from the 1950s, if you have a thought that we could have, like, you know, real facts over crime or other major issues.
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I said in one segment in another episode how our immigration system was bringing over so many millions of Muslims over the last few decades, we will soon have a country that has more Muslims than Jews.
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And that will affect our policy towards Israel if we continue our current immigration system.
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And one of my co-panelists goes, how do you think that that makes Jews feel, you saying that out loud?
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I don't, you know, they could feel however they want to feel.
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I don't, I'm not here to sit there and tell them how to feel.
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Well, I'm telling them facts that is based on real data.
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And if you don't like that, then you should approach your congressman about our immigration policy.
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But that's not for me to sit there and say, that's for me to sit there and say, here's a fact.
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I'm on a news channel talking about information, you know, and interpreting in some ways.
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What, if you could have a do-over on that segment, what would you do differently?
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I probably, I probably would have waited until the Brian Seltzer thing to go off, honestly.
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I would have just sat there and said, if Trump is so racist, as you have screamed on this network for the last decade,
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why is his support with blacks, Muslims, Jews, and Hispanics at all-time high levels?
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Waited until the Brian Seltzer thing, then called CNN fake news, and then left in blades of glory anyway.
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But that's what I, that's what I would have done.
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I mean, it wasn't like the most sincere thing in the world, I'll admit, but it wasn't, I didn't, I didn't do it.
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I did it, and because Abby was the host, and she said, bring it down a notch.
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Because I'm, you know, I'm a man, and if someone says they insult me, and then they apologize five seconds later, I brush it off.
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I don't, I really don't think it was necessary.
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Had I been anchoring that segment, and you said that, I would have recognized it as, you know, a little too far.
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And I would have said, all right, hold on that, we're not going to be doing the beeper jokes here.
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And, and he would have been like, yeah, and you would have been like, okay, you got me.
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We would have, they blew you up, again, pardon the pun, on purpose.
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They saw an opportunity to humiliate you, and embarrass you, and act, and virtue signal to their audience that they're better than you, because they don't talk like that on CNN.
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And they took it, and they made you their sacrificial lamb.
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You know, it was good, as this audience knows, I'm very, very much in favor now of cancel culture, because it separates people who don't belong in an organization from that organization.
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And, and almost always, that inures to the benefit of the person who's been separated.
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So, you are now liberated from this prison of words, where you're allowed to say all bad things about the white guys, but not one bad thing about Mehdi Hassan, in jest, that he then gets to use to make himself sound like he's a persecuted man.
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I hope you feel okay about it, and I'm sure I'll be seeing a lot more of you.
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Yeah, I, you know what, this is not my day job, it was never my dream.
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I do school board elections for the 1776 Project Pack, that's my big thing.
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We've been doing it for three years now, it's super successful.
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I don't dream of ever, I was never going to get a TV show, I was never going to be anything big.
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It was, it was a blip in the map, and I'm back to school board elections now.
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Well, I enjoyed your stint as the head person, so.
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I miss you here at the Megyn Kelly Show, but maybe we'll see you again right here.
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All right, what an interesting exchange, right?
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It's just the sanctimony of CNN, please spare me.
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Now it's time for Asked and Answered, where I answer some of the questions that you guys send us via email.
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Here to bring this week's latest, my executive producer, Steve Krakauer.
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All right, we've got our first question from Sam, who is a Democrat viewer and listener of the show.
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He says he disagrees with some of your policy issues, but values the show to keep him informed.
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His question is, do you think there's a scenario where Trump could legitimately lose next week and concede?
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I mean, I think it would just have to be indisputable, where she just crushed him.
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And then I think even Trump, I mean, he'll complain and he'll say it was stolen and he'll say it was unfair and the media and all those things.
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But I don't think he'll continue with the behavior we saw last time.
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Now, I will say, like, he wouldn't say in advance of 2020 that he would concede if he lost.
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And I remember doing a hit with somebody saying, he's not going to do that.
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But I underestimated just how committed he was to his threats in 2020.
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I think it will be a little easier this time if he loses, though, because he's not in office.
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You know, it's not like being fired and forced to leave the White House, which has an extra element of, you know, just failure to it and not disgrace, but, you know, embarrassment, which Trump does not handle well, as we know.
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So I think if he loses in a landslide, he will concede.
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By the way, people forget, you know, he left it as the tradition.
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He left a very nice note for Biden and it remained private.
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But he left that note, the good luck in your term that Biden said was a very nice note.
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No, we didn't like because we like to see our outgoing president show up at the new president's inauguration and show that America matters more than anything.
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And we don't let these petty political grievances spoil these moments of pageantry in our country.
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That didn't happen, which I think many people did not like.
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And, you know, we've never seen somebody contest the peaceful transfer of power quite the way that Trump did with the J6, all that stuff.
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But ultimately, he was not forced out of office.
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She says she appreciates the show, especially how you speak your mind with, quote, no fear.
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Her question is, what has been the most influential factor in building your confidence?
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Oh, well, OK, I have two thoughts on it, Stephanie.
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And so if you really, really know your subject matter, it gives you confidence to speak about it.
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Like if somebody said to you, Stephanie, explain why your hair is the color it is.
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You could walk them through exactly why your hair is the color it is.
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Well, my mom's hair look like this or my, you know, I my mom's hair look differently than mine did.
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But so I dyed it and this is the color I dye it.
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And I go to this guy and he whatever, whatever the story is.
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But you could speak about it confidently and really add details on it because it's something you know better than anybody.
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Well, just apply that knowledge base to anything, you know, to the news, to Trump, to Kamala, to policy, to Medicare.
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And as long as you really know the subject matter, you can speak about it confidently.
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So it's really the number one thing is homework.
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And then the second thing is, to the extent I have any sort of natural confidence, it is very much due to my parents who never, never gave me any false praise.
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One could make the case they were they were slightly too brutally honest.
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It gave me a very good sense of self-awareness.
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And I don't think I'm good at things that I'm not good at.
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And I don't really think I'm bad at things that I am good at, right?
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Like, I think I have a really good read on what my talents or weaknesses are, which does help one's confidence.
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Because it's like you're not constantly swinging and missing.
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You're not constantly getting different feedback from the world than what's in your head.
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You know, it kind of matches up, which gives you more confidence to take another risk if your instincts are telling you to take a risk and so on.
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I really do think that faint praise is a deep problem.
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I think I'm a little sweeter than my mom, who I love.
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But that kind of worries me, too, because her system worked very well in this way.
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Well, that kind of dovetails with the next one here.
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Who says she's so impressed with your ability to stand resolute in your opinions.
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She wants to know if you believe your strong principles and moral centeredness are more of a result of innate nature or early nurturing.
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I was always sort of like an outgoing person when I was young, but I wasn't running around like having to tell everybody my opinions on things or having to dominate the discussion.
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And even in my personal life right now, I would definitely say I'm more of a beta on a personal basis.
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If I go out to dinner, I don't have to dominate the conversation.
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I'm thrilled, actually, to let somebody else run herd at the dinner table and just take in the show.
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In fact, I'm attracted to people with big personalities where they're the ones who are on and sort of the stars.
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But I think to the extent you're having that impression about me, I think it's just because I'm steeped in the news and in these subjects.
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And if somebody wants to hear from me on them, I'm happy to to speak.
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Right. Like I do know my facts back to the earlier question.
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And I'm happy to walk somebody down the lane where I where I get like more assertive and more like dominant is when I hear a bunch of nonsense being spewed in my presence.
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And I will tell you, Brie, I try to hold my tongue for as long as I can.
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And then if the person keeps pushing me, eventually I'm going to have to let them have it.
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Um, it doesn't happen often, but there was this one crazy dinner that we had years ago.
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And the person who was at the other end of the table doing this was the skier Bodie Miller.
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And he was saying all sorts of stuff about cops and black men.
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And it wound up in one of the most epic social nights of our life.
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While normally I would not attack Bodie Miller, who I really admire and think his accomplishments are just second to none.
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And he was out of his lane and he was saying a bunch of nonsense.
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So that's when I felt compelled to speak up, Brie.
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Next time we do this, we'll be after the election or at least after election day.
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There's I think we're going to have a few things to talk about.
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I'm predicting I can see in the future and I predict we'll have plenty to discuss the next time we do one of these extras.