The Megyn Kelly Show - Ghost Stories： A Haunted Megyn Kelly Show Halloween, with Jason Hawes and Jim Harold

00:00:00.480 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:12.060 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to a very haunted Megyn Kelly Show Halloween episode.

00:00:17.920 I'm so excited for today. With Halloween nearly upon us, we have an otherworldly show to kick off your weekend.

00:00:24.220 And so fun, right? This is part of the fun of Halloween is just getting an escape from all the nightmares of Capitol Hill

00:00:32.120 and talking about fun stuff like the paranormal and ghosts and whether houses are haunted

00:00:36.060 and what happens to us when we go away and do we ever really.

00:00:40.280 As the veil between the living and the dead thins this time of year, many people do find themselves wondering,

00:00:45.600 are ghosts real? Do you have a ghost story? I'm going to be taking your calls a little bit later to hear them.

00:00:51.100 We've got two great guests on the topic to talk us through ghost stories today.

00:00:56.800 Later, we're going to be joined by Jim Harreld, one of the legends of paranormal podcasting,

00:01:01.040 and he's going to share some of the scariest stories he's ever heard.

00:01:05.700 But first up is Jason Hawes, who has been investigating the paranormal for 30 years.

00:01:11.600 He's the founder of the Atlantic Paranormal Society, or TAPS for short,

00:01:16.720 and the lead investigator and executive producer of the wildly popular television shows Ghost Hunters and Ghost Nation.

00:01:26.100 Jason, welcome.

00:01:27.160 Thanks for having me.

00:01:28.200 Such a pleasure. So I love that your day job is as a, why don't you tell us?

00:01:34.060 I'm a plumber. I'm a plumber for Rooter Rooter.

00:01:36.060 And, you know, it's, hey, it's one of those jobs that is recession free.

00:01:40.400 We're never going back to the outhouse, right?

00:01:41.660 That's for sure. Let's hope. Well, it made perfect sense to me when I started to read up on you,

00:01:45.880 because you said there's actually quite a bit of similarity between plumbing and ghost hunting.

00:01:53.380 And why don't you tell us what some of those are?

00:01:56.260 Well, you got to remember that most claims can be disproved.

00:01:59.160 So over 80% of all claims of paranormal can be disproved.

00:02:02.300 And it's more getting in and being a problem solver.

00:02:05.140 And that's what we do. I mean, we've found everything from toilets leaking or air in the

00:02:11.720 line that people are thinking, you know, their dead Uncle Fred is knocking on the wall to let

00:02:15.260 them know they're there. And but you're so you're going in to try to figure out what truly is wrong

00:02:21.020 with with either this house or this individual or how what's really going on and just try to

00:02:26.900 explain it to them in real world.

00:02:28.960 Well, I think this is perfect because I can tell you, we just moved into a new house

00:02:31.880 in Connecticut. And it was suddenly one night, you know, it's a big house. We're used to a small

00:02:37.120 New York apartment. Now we moved in this big house and we heard the creepiest sound coming

00:02:43.440 from like somewhere in the basement. It was like, oh, my God, what is that? I mean, seriously,

00:02:48.480 what? I'm like, Doug, what is that? You're the man. Go downstairs and investigate. It's part of

00:02:52.640 your manly duties. And he was a little like, yeah, that is something. So it turned out to be the

00:02:57.800 plumbing. It was the it was well as the hot water heater, which is old. And so I can see how you're

00:03:04.720 just the man to debunk or confirm some of these reports.

00:03:09.220 Well, and especially here in New England, I live in Rhode Island, so not far from you. And

00:03:12.620 when we start getting into the fall months where the heat starts kicking on and and the moisture of

00:03:18.940 the floor is drying out. So you're getting this popping, which a lot of times sounds like footsteps

00:03:22.540 going up and down stairs. And again, hot water lines that really haven't been been being used

00:03:27.960 that much, whether they're running heat through the system or whatever. A lot of times these things

00:03:32.540 kick in and people aren't really prepared for it. So it spooks them out until they understand what's

00:03:37.080 really happening. Yeah, it was like everything right down to animals living inside of the walls of

00:03:41.840 people's homes. And, you know, one time we opened up the wall to find that there were chipmunks in

00:03:47.220 there and they weren't amused. I mean, they're all over the house. It took us most of the rest of the

00:03:50.940 day to end up catching them. Oh, no. Yes, I've had that happen, too. When I lived in Baltimore,

00:03:55.260 I killed myself, I think, 24 mice. We were renting a place for one year. And that is why I started

00:04:02.360 calling it Baltimore. With all due respect to my friends down in Baltimore, my experience was a

00:04:07.120 little rodent infested. And yeah, you can hear them in the walls. And if you're not sure if you're

00:04:11.620 not used to dealing with critters, your mind could go to a number of places. So you what's interesting

00:04:17.140 about you to me is you say you go into these houses and hotels and locations to disprove to

00:04:24.320 disprove claims of ghosts or the otherworldly, not to just nakedly run in and say, yeah, yes,

00:04:30.560 ghosts everywhere. Well, and that's it. And I think that that helps solidify what we do a little more.

00:04:35.780 And just it's more of a professional area because you go in if you go in with the belief that there's

00:04:40.700 automatically ghosts. I mean, no matter what you catch, you're going to you're going to claim as ghosts.

00:04:44.300 And then you're going to get skeptics who I'm good friends with many who are going to come in and just

00:04:48.080 tear that evidence apart. You go in looking for any explanation that you believe isn't paranormal.

00:04:54.220 And then whatever you're left with is stronger to be able to stand on its own. So that's just the

00:04:59.860 way we've always done it. We try to go in very unbiased, open mind, just, you know, trying to see

00:05:06.860 truly scientifically what it is. So you you are a kid from upstate New York, just like yours,

00:05:12.360 truly. I grew up in Syracuse and Albany and you're from Canandaigua, I guess.

00:05:16.360 Yeah. Yeah. Way up, way up west. Yeah. So we've lived in Rhode Island.

00:05:20.360 Yeah. Then you moved to Rhode Island.

00:05:22.080 Yeah. It's a beautiful area. And then we moved to Rhode Island back about, about 30,

00:05:26.580 well, no, geez, almost going on 40 years ago. So.

00:05:29.720 So, and as I understand it, there was an important experience in your childhood that may have piqued your

00:05:36.220 curiosity in, in, I don't know, do we call it the paranormal or just other worldly spirits or

00:05:42.120 guardian angels? You know, you can put any label on it, but I do think this is really interesting.

00:05:46.460 And I, I don't know whether some people are just closer to the other side. Somehow they have energy

00:05:52.620 that can tap in or see things that others cannot, because I like 57% of the American people do believe

00:05:58.000 in ghosts and, and even, and 63% believe in the paranormal of some sort. So I do think that there's

00:06:06.360 something out there and then some people are able to tap into it in a way others are not. Maybe there's a

00:06:10.540 childhood explanation for most of us, maybe not, but can you tell us about yours? I thought it was quite

00:06:14.620 moving.

00:06:15.500 Well, I've had a couple of different experiences throughout my life. The most profound, which really

00:06:19.820 thrusted me into this field was when I witnessed something back in, I was about 18, 19, and I had an

00:06:25.020 experience. I never really thought much of the paranormal. My family had had some prior experiences

00:06:29.160 before, but this sort of just thrusted me into the field of trying to understand how these things

00:06:34.280 were possible. And then you go out and you look online or you read books and everybody has their

00:06:38.460 own theories, but I'm one of those people where I like to get my hands on and really try to figure it

00:06:43.040 out. So, and that's pretty much how I started, I started doing this. We created a website back then,

00:06:48.760 which it was a tiny little website, which now is still the top visited paranormal website in the world,

00:06:53.840 over 92 million visitors a year. And I know it's, it's amazing. Who would have thought it would have

00:06:59.160 blown up into what it did, but I, most people where you're saying most people believe, you know,

00:07:04.140 over 60 something percent believe in the paranormal. Well, they should, because para is just a Greek word

00:07:08.300 for beyond. So it's beyond the normal of what we're used to. So if you look back, you know, 75,

00:07:13.500 a hundred years ago, microwave signals would have been, who would have fallen under the realm of

00:07:16.740 paranormal? Cause we didn't understand them at this time. It's just ghosts and hauntings and things of that

00:07:20.860 nature fall under the umbrella of the paranormal. So, okay. So I don't know if this is the incident

00:07:26.200 when you were 18 or 19, but what I was reading about was, um, this is from, uh, newjersey.com

00:07:31.780 talking about how one day you ran into a man who you'd never met before in your life. He said

00:07:37.880 something out of the blue. You didn't know where it came from, uh, about anger. Can you tell us about

00:07:43.060 that? Um, not sure if that's a hundred percent accurate. I did run into a woman.

00:07:47.940 True. I shouldn't have been moved by this. Well, no, I mean, I told you not to let the

00:07:52.020 anger get the best of you. That was the story. Well, I, yeah. And actually that, that was a lady,

00:07:57.640 a woman that I ran into who had brought this up to me and also told me same lady told me about the

00:08:03.040 anger, but also told me that we would again, see each other at some point. And it was years later

00:08:08.020 that I ran into her again, but, uh, it was, I mean, definitely you, you've, you get these weird,

00:08:13.280 weird times in your life or these weird scenarios when things happen that I think kind of guide you

00:08:19.340 down certain paths. And, uh, you know, just being, you know, creating this little show that

00:08:24.860 agreeing to do one season of this little show that we, we figured would never succeed because I mean,

00:08:29.940 who wants to watch a couple of plumbers and a, and a police officer sit around in the dark all night,

00:08:33.460 um, who would have thought that it would blow up to what it was. I mean, we're airing in 140

00:08:38.400 countries. It's still to this day, the top watch paranormal show in history and, uh, all out of

00:08:42.940 this tiny little state of Rhode Island. Right. Okay. So what makes it, so you start meeting at

00:08:48.140 like a Starbucks, I gather with your buddies, start talking about these stories and then the

00:08:52.880 New York times does an article on you and things blow up. The article goes totally viral and then

00:08:57.280 you get offered a TV show. So I guess that's the path toward, you know, taking this thing national,

00:09:01.820 but what, what, how did you develop the skills that you use when you go to investigate a place

00:09:09.400 to see if you can detect or debunk any paranormal activity? Well, so we had been investigating the

00:09:15.380 paranormal for years and we just looked at it differently. And honestly, because we looked

00:09:19.540 at it differently and we used to shoot down things like orbs and, and all this stuff. Um,

00:09:23.960 a lot of people kind of disliked us, put it that way, because, you know, orbs to them were,

00:09:28.800 were a proof of spirit activity. Um, so we ended, I ended up helping out on a lot of,

00:09:33.220 a lot of behind the scene, the scenes in television shows. Um, we've been offered TV shows,

00:09:38.860 just didn't want to be on TV. Didn't think it would translate well. Um, did New York times article

00:09:43.200 that came out in 2002 with a John Leland, great author. And, uh, he came in and we were able to

00:09:49.080 debunk this haunting as a medication issue. So, and that went viral as you, as you said, uh, next thing I

00:09:54.480 know, I had, uh, production companies coming out of, coming out of the woodwork, um, sat down with

00:09:59.760 a bunch and it wasn't until I met up with Craig Peligian, owner of Pilgrim films, which was a

00:10:03.900 really tiny company at that point where Craig said, I don't want to change anything. I just want to send

00:10:08.140 cameras with you and record what you do. I don't care if you catch a ghost or not. Um, where I finally

00:10:13.420 decided, you know, if we don't do it, somebody is going to, and how, how's the field going to be

00:10:16.800 represented? So we agreed to do this little show, which, uh, I mean, changed, I mean,

00:10:21.220 it created a whole genre of television. Um, the, the way we investigate is always just been our own

00:10:27.040 style. I don't tell anybody how they should investigate or what equipment they use, but

00:10:31.280 we're always looking for the real explanation. So you need to decide on the type of equipment

00:10:36.620 you're going to go into. I'm not one to go in with dowsing rods or anything like that,

00:10:40.760 because I want evidence that I can put out there and let other people see and draw their own

00:10:45.000 conclusions. I'm not trying to push my beliefs down anybody's throat. I want them to be able to draw

00:10:49.500 their own conclusions. Like what, what do you bring? Well, whether it's video, whether it's

00:10:54.620 audio, whether it's thermal, thermal footage, um, you know, what we like to do is we go in,

00:10:59.280 we try and we never researched the property prior to going in because we feel that the minute we do,

00:11:03.700 we're going to have a situation where we're going to be biased. So if we, if we go and research prior

00:11:07.860 and find out a young boy by the name of Timmy died in the back room, we're going to go in trying

00:11:12.580 to make contact with a boy named Timmy. So if we, if we don't do any research, go in, spend a few days

00:11:17.680 there, you know, catch some evidence and then go and research and see if that evidence correlates

00:11:22.520 with anything that we've caught. Now that helps make it able to stand more on its own. Um, and

00:11:28.660 then we can also take that stuff and put it out there and let, let the homeowners decide. We're

00:11:32.760 really big into the historical research, but the historical research after we started investigating

00:11:37.640 a property. I ended up speaking of little boys named Timmy, I understand when you decide where you're

00:11:42.380 going to go, what you're going to investigate, because you get so many requests you have to

00:11:45.560 prioritize. You're particularly interested if, if the story involves a child who's afraid.

00:11:51.140 Of course, I've, I'm a father of six and, uh, you know, I've got three girls, three boys. And so

00:11:56.200 children, you all, children are so innocent. The least thing you want is for a child to be fearful

00:12:02.420 of being in their home alone or be, be scared to go to bed. And, uh, so any, anything that involves

00:12:07.980 a child that seems to have heightened activity that is going on often, we want to get out there and

00:12:13.840 help them out first. I mean, that becomes that. And you do it for free. You do it for free.

00:12:18.080 Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Because the rich, the poor, and everybody in between has these

00:12:21.120 problems. If we charge money, we can only help those who could afford our services. And we don't

00:12:25.140 feel that's right. That was one of my questions for you. Is there anything that binds together the

00:12:29.780 people who raise these issues? Um, age, sex, race, background, socioeconomic status. Is there,

00:12:36.720 is there a tie that binds or is it completely random?

00:12:39.520 It is completely random until it gets down to certain things. So we do cases, uh, we handle

00:12:44.960 cases for also law enforcement, religious organizations. So, and that's things that we

00:12:49.480 never televised because that falls under severe confidentiality agreements. But, um, when it

00:12:53.960 comes down to cases like demonic hauntings or so-called possessions, which 99.9% of possessions

00:13:00.200 have really, it has nothing to do with true possessions. Um, you, you'll never see somebody

00:13:06.400 who's not religious become possessed to do the math on that one. Um, it's always over

00:13:11.480 religious. It's, uh, over medicated, under medicated, self medicated individuals. And

00:13:16.500 these things have to be taken into consideration when we're being called into a location. You're,

00:13:21.260 you're asking us for our help. So you're opening up your world to us, which means we're going

00:13:25.120 to go through your movie collection, your book collection. We're going to, we're going to

00:13:28.000 talk to you about what medications you might be on. Is there any physical or emotional

00:13:32.040 or sexual abuse going on in the house? And all these factors really come into play when,

00:13:36.640 when you're trying to figure out what's truly happening, because whether it's paranormal or

00:13:40.320 not, this family called you in for help. So you need to help them.

00:13:44.220 Yeah. I read that you have some sort of a therapist or someone with that area of expertise

00:13:48.160 on your team.

00:13:49.800 Yeah. And we, we have people in multiple different professions. I mean, we have people in law

00:13:53.240 enforcement. We have, we have therapists, we have a psychologist that can, that we can bring

00:13:58.240 in as well. I mean, taps is where taps is this one group out of Rhode Island, but we also have

00:14:03.760 the taps family, which is a network of groups all around the world. I mean, just in the United States,

00:14:08.280 we have 74 groups all across the country. And then we've got about 16 in other countries,

00:14:12.600 because if we get, if, I mean, we get contacted by somebody in California, it's not easy for me to

00:14:17.840 just jump on a plane and take off to California. So we have a group in that area that can get to them

00:14:21.600 quickly to find out what's going on. And if it needs me and others to head out there,

00:14:26.120 we will at that point. I'm laughing right now, Jason, because in the studio, as we're speaking,

00:14:31.640 my studio, I'm only in here with Abby, my assistant. What? There's a real bird in here.

00:14:38.080 There's a real bird in here. There's a real what? There's a real bird in here. I just want you to

00:14:41.000 There's a bird in here? Oh my God. We're hearing something down the, down the hall in the closet.

00:14:49.060 Are you messing? I thought this was like a setup. Is this a setup? There is a real bird in here.

00:14:52.300 Oh my God. Can we close the door? There's a door down there. And there, and that's where like the

00:14:58.600 brain of the, and we heard something and we're like, she's making the big eyes at me and I'm

00:15:02.820 making the big eyes at her. And she went down to investigate and there's a bird. It's in this

00:15:07.320 situation, a crow. I believe that's usually a crow. Well, that's a, that's holy. As long as it's not

00:15:14.180 like a reason. I mean, bring our dad. Go get Doug. This is his job. But we've had, we've had

00:15:21.560 situations like that. Oh my God, Jason, what should we do? Hopefully catch it. But, uh, I mean,

00:15:27.220 we've had situations where owls have been in buildings with us and bats landed on our hats.

00:15:31.680 I mean, yeah, uh, right now I just say duck. He's going, what do I do? What do I do? I don't

00:15:38.360 know. Oh God. No, you can't close the door. What it's caught in what thing? Wait, wait,

00:15:43.160 wait, wait, let me take a picture of you. Hold on. I want the audience to be able to see

00:15:45.680 this. It's caught in what thing? It's like in that, um, white panel thing. What panel thing?

00:15:52.940 The door? It wants to come into that window. It's in the side. You know how you can sit over

00:15:56.200 there? Oh my God. It's coming. What do you mean it's coming? Dying. Here, take a picture. Come

00:16:05.800 on. The audience wants to see this. Put down your weapon. Let me show you. Oh God. Wait,

00:16:11.260 it's, it's pretty big. Like when it comes in here, it's big. Oh no. Wait, why are you closing it? Let

00:16:16.920 it fly out. I don't want it out of here. Oh my God. Take a picture. A hawk. I don't,

00:16:25.880 is there anyone out there who knows what we should do? Could you please call us right

00:16:28.960 now at eight, three, three, four, four. I would definitely try to open up any windows or

00:16:31.540 doors that you have. It's in front of the only window we have in here. It's like, come on,

00:16:38.200 you're from Minnesota. I don't know why it's just like so big. Take a picture of it. Come

00:16:43.840 on. You got to document this. I'm half disbelieving you. What do you mean here? It's coming. Oh

00:16:48.420 shit. It's a spare, a sparrow or a crow. Well, sparrows, there's a big difference between

00:16:53.540 a sparrow. Well, don't disturb it. I'm going to try to do the show while you manage that.

00:16:59.960 And you're going to keep on ducking and everything else. We're not in the city anymore. In the

00:17:05.080 city, we only had creatures that ran on the floor. Like I said, we've done something like

00:17:10.220 this before. All right, hold on. Yeah, we'll get it. Let's squeeze in a quick break so Abby

00:17:13.880 can do her huntress thing. I'm going to go take a picture and we'll be right back with Jason

00:17:17.700 Haas. And hopefully we lift the birds next. Who here has seen the birds? I have. So is

00:17:31.440 Abby right here in the studio. So since we moved to Connecticut, I'm able to do the house

00:17:36.200 or the show from my house, which I've told people. And we're up on the third floor and

00:17:40.540 it's a lovely little setup. It's supposed to be a guest bedroom, but we made it in a studio.

00:17:43.680 We're building a real studio. But for now, this is where I am. And we're doing this ghost

00:17:48.440 show and some weird noise starts down the hall. And I hear it as Jason, our guest, the

00:17:53.880 one and only Jason Haas is with us, host of the mega hit show Ghost Hunters. I mean,

00:17:59.080 could you ask for better? As he's talking to us about the paranormal, we hear these noises

00:18:03.560 down the hall. And I'm going, holy crap, what the heck is what? And I look at Abby, she

00:18:08.620 looks at me. She's got the big eyes, you know, like, oh, my God, there's just the two of

00:18:12.380 us in here. My team's all over the country, Texas, Canada, outside the country, too. You

00:18:17.280 name it. So and Doug sometimes is here, sometimes not downstairs, someplace in his office. Anyway,

00:18:23.500 she goes down to investigate and we're going to lay the pictures in here. If you want to

00:18:27.580 check the show out on YouTube dot com forward slash Megan Kelly later of what I saw Abby

00:18:32.220 do, what Abby saw down the hallway, what Abby then did and what happened when, yay, the bird

00:18:37.980 got out. It's big. So big. She says a hawk. OK, no, it wasn't a hawk. Debbie, you don't

00:18:48.260 know Canada. Pipe down. Debbie Murphy in Canada saying it was a small bird. It's not a small

00:18:53.960 bird. It wasn't a sparrow. Wait, I'm going to bring in Jason in one second. But apparently

00:18:57.140 Pam from Nebraska called with some thoughts on our ordeal. Pam, can you believe I am? I'm

00:19:03.260 laughing so hard. I'm having a fangirl moment right now because, oh, my gosh, I just love

00:19:08.920 you. I'm laughing so hard at you, too. But I did want to say I believe this is some kind

00:19:15.420 of perfect timing to have your guests there talking about the paranormal and this giant

00:19:21.500 hawk raven in your house. I think somebody from beyond is visiting you.

00:19:28.900 You are so right, Pam. Jason, come on. It's it's at least possible someone from the other

00:19:36.460 world popped in to say I'm listening. Well, of course, but it's also possible that this

00:19:41.800 thing got in through some open window. I mean, and that's that's the thing. You always you

00:19:45.940 always need to look at the possibilities of what isn't paranormal before you draw the conclusion.

00:19:52.160 How would you solve this? And by the way, how can we figure out how such a large creature

00:19:56.680 got into my home? Well, I'd first start in the attic and see if there was any way for

00:20:01.900 something to get down up there. But but it's funny because we were just talking about this

00:20:06.000 prior where it's I mean, we opened up a wall one time to find a family of chipmunks living

00:20:10.920 in there. So you never truly know. I mean, we've dealt with situations where we've had bats

00:20:16.260 come down our come down our fireplace. And, you know, you always got to be prepared for it.

00:20:21.180 OK, I don't know how I like we're going to get like a fly swatter. I'm not sure that's

00:20:25.700 going to do it. That was spectacular. Thank you for walking through that fun with me.

00:20:30.380 And please, you know what? I would love for all of you guys to subscribe to our YouTube

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00:20:37.780 you can see this moment at about, you know, 1210 to 1230 unfold live when we add the pictures.

00:20:43.820 All right. So let's get down to the truly scary because that was just good old fashioned

00:20:47.620 fun. And I want to talk about one of I don't know if it was it the scariest thing you've

00:20:53.060 had to investigate the Stanley Hotel. Yeah. I mean, that place was amazing up in Estes

00:20:59.040 Park, Colorado. And Stephen King stayed there. And that was the premise behind The Shining.

00:21:04.280 So that's because he ended up getting lost one night, you know, after having a night of

00:21:09.160 drinking down in the bar. And that's where he ended up coming up with the whole concept of

00:21:13.440 The Shining. So he was already an author at that time. Right. Because I was like, well,

00:21:16.860 how did they let read up a little bit on it? And I said they let him stay in the hotel

00:21:19.620 as the only guest with his wife or his family. I'm like, well, how did that happen? But I guess

00:21:24.400 he was already a famous author at that point. He was. He was. And also, they were just getting

00:21:28.720 ready to close the place down for winter because at that point it had no heat. So but it's an

00:21:33.800 incredible place built up on in the mountains in Estes Park. And we've been there. I've been

00:21:38.920 there probably a total of maybe 15, 16 times. The first time we stayed there, we were there

00:21:44.000 for a couple of weeks filming, trying to see just catch some of the things that so many

00:21:47.940 claims that go on in the place in my room alone. I mean, I had a closet door open, unlatched

00:21:55.060 and open on its own, closed on its own. I had a glass shatter from the out there from the

00:21:59.720 inside out. So it was really, really weird. And that was like four days into it. And I

00:22:04.860 had to sit there and think, well, I'm going to be staying in this room for at least another

00:22:07.560 10 days, which OMG. All right. So we have some of that. We have a clip. So some of these

00:22:14.220 work visually and some of these work better in terms of audio. It depends. So the first

00:22:18.320 one, I think, works on both levels. And this is listen for the voice that Jason and his

00:22:23.200 partner Grant here while they're inside the Stanley Hotel. That would become the basis

00:22:28.380 for The Shining.

00:22:29.020 How far back does it go, G?

00:22:35.460 You all right?

00:22:36.600 I heard that.

00:22:37.960 You just said hello, hello.

00:22:39.860 I know. I heard it.

00:22:41.420 Who are you?

00:22:42.260 Shh.

00:22:45.840 There it is again.

00:22:47.780 I got it on audio.

00:22:49.700 You do?

00:22:50.460 You want to see if I can hear it?

00:22:52.020 Yeah.

00:22:52.880 Listen.

00:22:54.120 Listen.

00:22:55.960 Holy crap.

00:22:56.880 I have to.

00:22:58.380 Oh, my gosh.

00:23:01.120 What is going on?

00:23:03.800 That was a laugh.

00:23:05.840 Whoa.

00:23:06.400 You could hear that.

00:23:07.400 Where was that?

00:23:08.560 Where were you guys going there?

00:23:10.080 That was actually in the employee entrance down in the basement of the Stanley that is

00:23:15.020 they've cut through part of the mountain because the Stanley's built on it.

00:23:19.760 And that was during a live show that we did.

00:23:22.160 We did a six hour live Halloween show there and had that.

00:23:25.840 And the place is locked down, so we don't have to worry about contamination or anything

00:23:29.160 like that.

00:23:29.780 But during the live show that happened.

00:23:32.120 And I mean, it was amazing to catch that live and everybody to experience at the same

00:23:35.860 time we were experiencing it.

00:23:37.380 On that front to the doubters out there who say, oh, that was a member of your team or

00:23:41.160 that was a member of the production crew trying to add flavor.

00:23:44.080 So you'd have something.

00:23:45.620 What say you?

00:23:47.260 Honestly, I'm not here to argue with them.

00:23:49.280 They can believe if they if they want to doubt it, they're going to find something to doubt

00:23:52.840 anyways.

00:23:53.640 So all I could say is we caught this.

00:23:56.400 There was nobody else there.

00:23:57.600 It was on live TV.

00:23:58.800 And it was one of the most incredible experiences that we've ever had to have it live was amazing.

00:24:04.900 So, I mean, each person's going to find somebody's if somebody doesn't want to believe they're

00:24:08.700 going to find fault in anything you put out there.

00:24:11.180 So yeah, teach their own.

00:24:12.660 But I'm clear conscious here because I was there.

00:24:15.300 I was I was able to experience it firsthand.

00:24:16.980 Now we have another clip from that same visit, the Stanley Hotel involving a closet door.

00:24:22.920 This this is a little bit more visual than audio.

00:24:24.960 But stay stay with me, my listening audience, because I'm going to explain to you he's alone

00:24:29.360 in his room.

00:24:29.900 Jason is at the Stanley Hotel.

00:24:31.560 You're going to hear the closet door open and they're talking about a glass breaking and

00:24:35.380 you can see the glass, which I'll describe you when we when the clip ends.

00:24:38.980 Listen.

00:24:45.040 He's in his bed.

00:24:46.560 You hear a door open.

00:24:54.960 I'm not sure what happened.

00:25:06.760 I heard the closet open.

00:25:08.740 Turn the light for you guys.

00:25:11.500 Closet closet door is open.

00:25:17.760 This glass actually broke.

00:25:21.180 Here's a piece.

00:25:23.780 Who knows?

00:25:25.880 I guess I won't be drinking all that one anytime soon.

00:25:29.540 That's crazy.

00:25:30.420 At the very end, Jason picks up this glass, like something you have a cocktail in, like

00:25:33.860 an actual glass and a slice of it, like an upside down triangle has come out of the glass

00:25:41.620 and you can see it on the side of the table.

00:25:44.740 So that had not been broken prior to you going to sleep.

00:25:48.560 No, it hadn't.

00:25:49.460 It had been sitting on the table next to the bed and you can hear it break if you listen.

00:25:53.360 I mean, you can literally hear it break from the inside out, which is amazing.

00:25:56.800 You can hear the clank and then it fall again.

00:26:00.740 And then later on in the night when the camera was still rolling, I turned the camera to face

00:26:04.860 the closet because, I mean, the closet door just opened and it was later on.

00:26:08.220 I'm not sure how much later, but the door closed and latched itself all on camera.

00:26:13.020 And you're able to see that.

00:26:14.560 There's no wires.

00:26:15.740 There's no strings.

00:26:16.580 There's no manipulation.

00:26:17.960 I mean, this happened right on camera.

00:26:20.440 What does that tell you?

00:26:21.620 First off, it tells me that there's an intelligent spirit there because it's manipulated.

00:26:27.100 So there's a difference between when it comes down to hauntings, you have intelligent.

00:26:30.280 I mean, you have human and inhuman type spirits.

00:26:32.800 Inhuman are things that have never walked the earth in human form.

00:26:34.820 Whether you believe in demonics or angelics or elemental type activity, those would fall

00:26:39.480 under inhuman type spirits.

00:26:41.440 Then human type spirits, you have an intelligent or residual and poltergeist.

00:26:45.880 Nothing like the movie though.

00:26:47.640 So an intelligent is like you and I have to repass.

00:26:49.840 We're trying to communicate.

00:26:51.140 We're tugging on people's clothes, poking, moving small objects, which creeps people out.

00:26:56.800 Then you have your residual type haunt, which the best way to think of it as a tape player,

00:27:01.240 rewinding and playing itself over and over again.

00:27:03.020 If I live in an old house and I decide that this doorway, I'm going to cover up and put the

00:27:08.200 doorway down there, but a residual haunt is there.

00:27:10.940 The residual haunt is now going to still follow that same path and walk through now what's

00:27:15.300 a wall, which used to be the doorway.

00:27:17.240 Because there's no intelligence to it.

00:27:18.760 It's just like a tape player where an intelligent spirit is going to know the difference and

00:27:22.340 be able to walk through the new doorway.

00:27:24.520 So that would tell me that there was some sort of an intelligent type haunt there because

00:27:28.360 it was manipulating objects that were around me that I had brought into the room, opening

00:27:33.360 and closing the doors, which isn't just a residual sound, but literally movement of things

00:27:38.740 moving.

00:27:39.740 And I mean, there were some spooky talks about in history.

00:27:42.680 They talked about one of the people who owned the Stanley Hotel prior to the Stanleys, and

00:27:47.940 he used to hide in the closet and watch people sleeping and go and steal their jewelry while

00:27:52.160 they were sleeping.

00:27:53.040 So definitely some weird stuff.

00:27:55.880 Yeah.

00:27:56.000 One of the questions I had as I watched and listened to all that you do was, would you

00:28:02.920 buy a house that somebody believed was haunted, said was haunted, or for example, that it had

00:28:09.840 a bad past in which someone had been killed?

00:28:13.480 Absolutely.

00:28:13.960 I do it in a heartbeat.

00:28:14.500 I actually owned, we owned a hotel for a period of time up in the White Mountains of New Hampshire,

00:28:19.500 which was, we bought because it was said to be one of the most haunted properties in New

00:28:24.060 Hampshire.

00:28:24.320 And we owned it for about, about four years and it was incredible.

00:28:27.380 But, um, I would, I would buy a place like that in a heartbeat.

00:28:30.500 I mean, then I could investigate sitting in my own place.

00:28:32.840 I mean, it makes life that much easier.

00:28:34.320 I could sit on my own couch and investigate.

00:28:36.100 So, so convenient.

00:28:37.800 Well, what if you did find a demonic spirit?

00:28:40.060 I mean, it's all well and good if you've got the one who's just, uh, doing the repeat

00:28:43.540 walk across the attic floor every night, or who's like a human who just kind of wants

00:28:47.000 to move your, you know, your vase from one place to another, though that would be creepy,

00:28:51.220 but no one wants to own a home in which a demonic spirit is present.

00:28:55.960 Well, I, yeah, of course.

00:28:57.580 And I agree with you on that.

00:28:58.760 And, you know, very, like I said, 99.9% of those cases have nothing to do with inhuman

00:29:03.980 demonic type spirits.

00:29:05.480 Um, and even when they do, it's a religious fervor.

00:29:08.620 What was that?

00:29:10.740 It's a religious fervor when, when you're, when somebody's claiming demon.

00:29:14.080 Exactly.

00:29:14.620 And when it comes down to it, you know, uh, the cases that we have found something that

00:29:19.000 seems malicious or negative, uh, with negative intent, we bring in what, whatever religious

00:29:24.620 belief system they have.

00:29:26.140 And whether it's, um, whether it's, it's somebody to help out with the, uh, the Christians

00:29:31.920 or, or whatever, uh, religion we bring in somebody who's going to preach that.

00:29:36.640 It's always us, isn't it?

00:29:37.900 It's my people.

00:29:38.560 It's the Catholics, isn't it?

00:29:39.880 I mean, it has to be, but, but, you know, every religion out there has their own people

00:29:44.060 who handle cases that they believe fall within and with under the negative inhuman type entity.

00:29:49.060 And it doesn't appear that one religion is stronger than the next.

00:29:54.040 When it comes down to doing these, these, uh, these cleansing rights, it truly just appears

00:29:59.560 that it's the, the strength and the belief of the person who's preaching it.

00:30:03.560 And that seems to be what, what helps these things move on.

00:30:07.000 Now, is it really that something's negative is being pushed out because somebody is talking

00:30:10.740 about God or Jesus?

00:30:12.380 No, maybe it very possibly could just be that it's something that realizes you don't want

00:30:16.780 it there in the first place.

00:30:17.740 So it's going to go somewhere else.

00:30:20.140 So let's talk about, um, Southern Vermont college and this involves a thermal sighting before

00:30:28.600 we play this.

00:30:29.560 What does that mean?

00:30:30.220 A thermal, like what, what, what should people be understanding?

00:30:33.700 So a thermal thermal, it picks up, uh, temperature fluctuations, heat signatures, and turns that

00:30:38.520 into a, to video.

00:30:39.760 So like we deal a lot with FLIR, with F L I R, which create these thermal systems, which

00:30:45.660 are handheld firefighters, use them in fires to try to pick up body heat from people to,

00:30:51.020 to, to find those people, to remove them from areas or also to pick up still hotspots that

00:30:55.500 may be burning in the walls.

00:30:56.960 Um, we've utilized them to try to pick up anything that we can't see with our human eye.

00:31:02.260 And we've been really lucky.

00:31:04.040 I mean, we've worked with FLIR for, to work on things for like the FLIR one to, that connects

00:31:08.740 to an iPhone or an Android to lower the prices.

00:31:11.620 So people are able to actually use these devices themselves.

00:31:15.040 Um, but they're, they're great to use.

00:31:16.760 They're a great tool because some people believe that these things give off heat, heat signature.

00:31:20.400 Other people believe that they draw, they draw the cold air from around them and, uh, give

00:31:25.280 off a signature that way.

00:31:26.800 So yes, I read that some people report weird things like, um, cold spots in the middle of

00:31:32.640 an Arizona summer, you know, in the midst of a house, something like that.

00:31:36.080 And that, that might be a red flag for you.

00:31:38.980 Uh, if, if, if you've come upon that in a house.

00:31:42.060 Well, you know, a lot of times you need to take an consideration that central heat and

00:31:46.000 these things, there can be times of pockets of, of colder air before it, it mixes with the

00:31:51.140 other air, but a lot of people believe that if there's an entity there that it draws the

00:31:55.320 energy from around it in return, making the air around it colder and it's self warmer.

00:32:00.400 So, uh, yeah, definitely something you always need to look into, but there's different ways

00:32:04.800 to check into it, see if it has anything to do with the paranormal.

00:32:07.620 All right.

00:32:07.760 So here's, this is thought number four again.

00:32:10.180 So for the listeners to this, and you can see the clip yourself later, um, you can see

00:32:14.560 Jason and, uh, one of his guys, Steve catch a figure walking through closed doors on

00:32:20.360 the thermal, which I'm just going to explain in advance.

00:32:23.700 It looks kind of like, um, one of those old Polaroid photos with a bunch of colors on

00:32:29.040 it before, you know, without it being totally like, you can see the outline, but you can't

00:32:33.260 exactly see faces, but just listen to them.

00:32:36.140 Watch this.

00:32:37.380 Hello.

00:32:38.860 Is there anybody here in the Everett family?

00:32:42.820 Oh, oh.

00:32:45.580 Hey, Steve.

00:32:46.880 Yep.

00:32:48.780 Holy crap.

00:32:50.360 Are you kidding me?

00:32:52.160 Did you get something on the thermal?

00:32:53.720 I think it caught something.

00:32:55.560 Did you see something on the thermal?

00:32:57.140 Yeah.

00:32:57.700 And I was recording.

00:32:59.280 Watch.

00:33:00.040 Okay.

00:33:00.480 Boom.

00:33:01.000 All right.

00:33:01.360 So now I didn't think much of it because it seemed like it broke away.

00:33:05.440 Figured it was a reflection.

00:33:06.860 And then watch.

00:33:11.140 Oh.

00:33:11.780 Oh.

00:33:12.880 Oh.

00:33:13.640 And that was not all the way at the end of the hall.

00:33:16.720 That was.

00:33:17.020 These are closed doors.

00:33:18.880 That's impossible.

00:33:19.880 It would have moved from here to here.

00:33:23.700 Straight through.

00:33:25.720 So what are, what's happening there?

00:33:27.480 Well, it appears that possibly some sort of residual type haunt was walking because I mean,

00:33:34.080 the door is locked.

00:33:34.860 So it's walking right through the door.

00:33:37.300 We had it down there.

00:33:38.540 And again, a lot of people don't realize that our, our areas are locked off.

00:33:41.900 People can't just come and go.

00:33:43.160 So, um, I mean, people, we literally have the front doors blocked where we have, uh, whether

00:33:48.600 it's a production assistant or anybody outside to make sure that nobody comes in.

00:33:52.140 So we don't want to deal with any contamination issues.

00:33:54.520 And, uh, we were there investigating and like this thing just initially, you always need

00:33:59.780 to take into consideration when it comes to thermal, that it could be your, your reflection

00:34:03.960 moving.

00:34:04.540 So, because I mean, you hit a glass surface or whatever, the possibility is there, but

00:34:08.520 for something to walk directly across the hallway and walk right into a locked door, you really,

00:34:14.520 you got to try to figure out how that's possible.

00:34:16.500 So going down there and everything else and seeing that all the doors are locked and we

00:34:19.800 can't even get into them really, uh, leaves you scratching your head.

00:34:22.940 How, how many like homes do you think have this and don't even know it?

00:34:28.740 Well, you know, it's tough because most, so activity seems to be higher where children,

00:34:34.220 young children are present.

00:34:35.540 Now here's the reason behind that, especially when it comes down to intelligent hypons, because

00:34:39.100 to a child, anything's possible.

00:34:40.580 And we, we got a big, a big fat guy coming down a chimney every year, a big bunny, bringing

00:34:44.140 him a basket.

00:34:44.660 It's not till we start telling them that their invisible friend, Bobby, isn't real, that

00:34:49.780 we start shutting them off, that we start closing them down.

00:34:52.440 So to a child, anything's possible.

00:34:54.060 So they're more open.

00:34:54.900 They're more, more prone to see things than adults.

00:34:57.200 So if it's an intelligent spirit, that's been trying to be noticed and has spent all this

00:35:01.440 time without somebody acknowledging it and it goes, it decides to walk through a house

00:35:07.020 and a child acknowledges it, it tends to stay there because it's like, Hey, finally, I'm

00:35:11.560 being acknowledged.

00:35:12.280 I spent all this time, nobody knowing I was here.

00:35:14.420 So a lot of times children have these experiences and homes with small children have more activity

00:35:20.200 than, uh, than others.

00:35:22.300 That's fascinating.

00:35:23.300 So the next time your kid says, you know, mommy, I think there's someone in the closet

00:35:27.440 instead of just dismissing it out of hand, like, Oh, you're fine.

00:35:31.360 Go to sleep.

00:35:32.360 You, maybe you need to at least entertain the exercise of, well, I don't know.

00:35:36.700 How would you handle that?

00:35:38.320 Well, honestly, if, if they said somebody was in the closet, I'd find that definitely a little

00:35:42.060 strange because also kids have, you know, they, they do a lot of, uh, blowing things

00:35:46.580 out of proportion, but if they're saying they're seeing somebody walking through their room

00:35:50.220 or seeing somebody walking down the hallway, or if they're sitting in the living room and

00:35:53.680 they're talking about seeing somebody walking through the house, that's a different

00:35:56.440 scenario, uh, then you need to take into consideration is something possibly going on.

00:36:01.140 And there's different ways you can, you can, uh, do different things.

00:36:03.700 I mean, you can set up a digital recorder or even as a zero lux and IR camera in, in the

00:36:09.940 child's room at night or in your house at night, just trying to see if you're able to document

00:36:14.780 any, any voices or any movement or anything like that, that may be connected with it, with

00:36:20.160 your child.

00:36:21.480 If you're not in the demonization or the demon category, can you assume kindness?

00:36:26.440 From these spirits or at least neutrality?

00:36:29.440 Well, I, I think, see, just like you and you and I, I mean, after we, if we're a miserable

00:36:34.300 person in life, we'd be a miserable person in death if we decided not to pass on.

00:36:38.660 So, you know, there's always that possibility, but I don't, I believe that I'm not one of those

00:36:44.300 people who look at it like heaven and hell and angels and demons.

00:36:47.220 Um, I believe there's good and bad in everything.

00:36:49.840 Um, when it comes to negative type entities, I, I'm not going to sit there and tell you that

00:36:54.600 it's definitely a demon because honestly, Satan wasn't considered really a bad guy until

00:36:59.320 Constantine and Rome decided that they needed a good and a bad aspect to, to get civilization

00:37:05.120 to run a certain way.

00:37:06.240 So, um, so I, you know, I'm a firm believer that there's negative things out there, but

00:37:11.620 also when it comes to human spirits, most of them are just like us.

00:37:14.200 And, but if they've been, if they spent the last hundred years walking around and nobody's

00:37:18.200 acknowledged them or they're only walking around because they're scared of, uh, you

00:37:22.220 know, having to pay a price when they pass over, or if they're trying to follow somebody

00:37:25.860 or just something happens so fast that they didn't even realize they were dead, they could

00:37:30.280 be extremely miserable.

00:37:31.280 And that could show when it comes down to the activity that they, uh, they put out there.

00:37:36.560 This is a weird question, but does any of your experience give you thoughts about what

00:37:41.700 you want done when you die, you know, in terms of how you want to be buried or your remains?

00:37:47.640 Sorry.

00:37:48.160 It's a weird question.

00:37:49.440 You don't want to be buried.

00:37:51.000 I can tell you that.

00:37:52.180 Um, I just, I don't, I figure it when I'm, when I'm gone, uh, you know, let me be gone

00:37:56.980 and let me, uh, it's, uh, yeah.

00:37:59.380 I, and just the whole idea of being buried has never been, uh, Hey, it's always been

00:38:03.420 a creepy concept to me.

00:38:04.480 Maybe it's just due to Hollywood.

00:38:05.700 It's right.

00:38:06.240 You know, the, one of the scariest things out there is to be buried.

00:38:09.020 And then you look at some of the old stories where they'd have strings and stuff coming

00:38:12.660 up from the old coffins with a bell just in case the person wasn't actually dead.

00:38:16.120 That's what I want.

00:38:16.980 I want that just in case they made a mistake.

00:38:19.500 Doug and I say we want to, we want to be buried in an above ground mausoleum with two cell

00:38:23.360 phones that have chargers, you know, plugged in at all times.

00:38:26.640 Just in case.

00:38:28.040 Well, I mean, you can give me like a headstone with a TV and it's something just saying,

00:38:31.440 you know, just, you know, see you soon or I'm buying time.

00:38:34.340 I'll be back.

00:38:35.100 Whatever.

00:38:37.260 Major Garrett, my old office mate at Fox, he used to say what he wanted written on his

00:38:41.640 tombstone.

00:38:42.360 I've since co-opted.

00:38:43.440 This is disconnected due to inactivity.

00:38:46.940 Well, there you go.

00:38:47.860 That's pretty good.

00:38:48.680 It's pretty good.

00:38:49.340 I feel like the burial though, at least gives you a shot in case they find a way of bringing

00:38:53.540 us back.

00:38:54.020 Not that they'd want to, or that we'd necessarily want to do, but at least he got a shot.

00:38:57.360 Unlike being cremated.

00:38:58.320 It's like, he got no shot.

00:38:59.480 It's over.

00:39:00.680 Yeah.

00:39:01.220 I don't know.

00:39:01.940 But then again, it's depending on how long you've been buried for.

00:39:04.660 Do you really want that shot of coming back?

00:39:06.900 Well, and you know what?

00:39:07.940 According to our discussion, maybe, maybe you're already there anyway.

00:39:11.340 Maybe you never left.

00:39:12.900 And that's the thing.

00:39:13.420 A lot of people sit there and they get creeped out by the whole graveyard aspect, but people

00:39:17.200 need to remember that most of the time you're dead four, five, six, seven days before you

00:39:22.060 end up in the graveyard.

00:39:23.580 So the fact of haunting a graveyard is unlikely.

00:39:28.100 I mean, the places that would have the most activity would be trauma centers and hospitals

00:39:33.940 and places like that where when they die, it's so quick that they're kind of left questioning

00:39:42.000 what happened.

00:39:42.520 That, okay, that brings me to our, our next clip and story, New Bedford Armory in New Bedford,

00:39:49.720 Massachusetts.

00:39:50.320 This place was built in 1903 and, um, it said it was, it was, uh, how some form of the Massachusetts

00:39:57.760 National Guard for most of its history was closed by the state in 2003.

00:40:01.660 Fire broke out in 2009, did significant damage.

00:40:04.980 Um, and it, some, a first sergeant was said to have hanged himself in the office of this

00:40:12.280 place.

00:40:12.580 You guys were asked to investigate after hearing stories of guardsmen spotting cold spots that

00:40:18.140 we just discussed, heavy metal doors slamming shut without any draft shadows were there,

00:40:23.580 but nothing to cast them.

00:40:25.100 Um, so you and your guy, Frank, your audio man, you go there and why don't you set it

00:40:30.680 up for us?

00:40:31.100 What happened?

00:40:32.300 Well, we had been investigating for quite a while and, uh, you know, Frank had, Frank was

00:40:36.800 never really much of a believer in the paranormal.

00:40:38.760 And a lot of these production guys aren't that they are, they're hired to do a show.

00:40:42.660 So they don't need to believe in it or not.

00:40:45.400 But, uh, Frank had screwed around earlier with, with some of the other production guys.

00:40:49.720 And, uh, I, I think just opened up a can of worms.

00:40:52.480 I mean, you're in, you're in a armory where things are run, you know, in a certain way

00:40:57.320 and there's no screwing around.

00:40:58.760 Um, but while we were there, we were lucky enough to, for us, it was lucky for Frank.

00:41:03.400 It really wasn't where his bag, we were able to watch the bag on camera and actually come

00:41:08.620 up and hit him in the face.

00:41:10.040 I mean, leveling him, uh, knocking him down and it freaked him out to the point where he literally

00:41:14.460 started going into shock and we had, we had to have medics there and everything else.

00:41:18.340 But, uh, it was a, it was a life-changing moment for Frank.

00:41:22.000 All right.

00:41:22.420 So this is a clip again, you guys got to check out the YouTube channel today for many reasons.

00:41:26.520 Um, but let's play soundbite number, uh, three.

00:41:30.160 Yes.

00:41:30.440 This is a ghost hunters at the armory.

00:41:36.420 Frank, you okay?

00:41:38.520 What did you do?

00:41:39.360 What happened?

00:41:41.220 Frank, you all right?

00:41:42.520 Get some lights on, get some lights on in here.

00:41:43.920 Something threw him down, dude.

00:41:47.860 Frank is down.

00:41:49.080 The video shows him down.

00:41:50.920 That was the end of Frank as a ghost hunter.

00:41:53.140 Well, yeah, that was the, yeah, he really didn't want to wear it.

00:41:55.160 And there's actually footage out there where you could see the bag.

00:41:58.100 He's got his hands up holding a boom light, like over his head and his bag literally, I

00:42:03.020 mean, it just comes up and hits him right in the face.

00:42:05.280 Um, and it's all documented right on camera.

00:42:07.880 Wow.

00:42:09.040 This is so fascinating.

00:42:10.200 So what's the overall thought for the people out there listening to this?

00:42:13.360 What should they do if they think they might have a ghost or some sort of a spirit in their

00:42:18.500 house and they're concerned?

00:42:21.000 Well, if they're concerned, I mean, they can go to the Atlantic Paranormal Society dot com

00:42:25.220 and we have groups all over the country and all over the world that do this free of charge.

00:42:29.840 So they'll come in, they can set up their equipment, try to document what's going on

00:42:34.060 and, and help the family.

00:42:36.140 Um, they need to be careful because there are people out there who will try to charge

00:42:41.040 them money for different things.

00:42:42.160 And that's not what we're about.

00:42:43.960 We're free of fee.

00:42:44.860 We try to help out everybody.

00:42:46.260 Um, so they can get out and they can call TAPS family groups and, or they can even go

00:42:50.260 just to TAPS family dot com and find a group in their area and have them come out and

00:42:54.160 investigate and try to try to figure out what's truly going on and just help the family

00:42:58.120 through that.

00:42:58.520 Yeah, maybe you'll feel better because it'll be something like the plumbing or a bird or

00:43:02.800 something.

00:43:03.740 I want to tell everybody Discovery Plus is airing a brand new season of Ghost Hunters

00:43:06.920 starring October 31st, starring Jason and his team.

00:43:10.520 Uh, and they investigate the Missouri State Penitentiary in the first episode appropriately

00:43:16.400 airing on Halloween.

00:43:18.360 So fun talking to you.

00:43:20.240 Thank you so much for all of your good work and for being such a good sport during our weirdness.

00:43:24.340 Well, thank you for having me.

00:43:25.380 It's been a pleasure.

00:43:26.060 It truly has.

00:43:26.520 All right.

00:43:28.500 Check them out, everybody.

00:43:29.340 Jason Hawes.

00:43:30.260 Also check out the new season of Ghost Hunters on Discovery Plus, as I said.

00:43:33.200 Coming up, more ghost stories.

00:43:35.160 Uh, and I'm going to offer my own ghost story with our next guest because I did have an

00:43:40.120 encounter.

00:43:40.560 Um, and after the break, our latest special Halloween edition of You Can't Say That, ghostly

00:43:47.640 and appropriate.

00:43:48.780 And remember, as I mentioned, you can check out the Megyn Kelly show, uh, live on SiriusXM

00:43:54.060 Triumph channel, 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:43:56.580 And the full video show and fun clips when you subscribe to my YouTube channel, youtube.com

00:44:02.060 slash Megyn Kelly.

00:44:03.600 Or if you prefer an audio podcast, you want to share this fun with your shit with your

00:44:07.320 friends later who didn't get to listen to it live.

00:44:09.060 Subscribe and download for free on Apple, Spotify, Pandora, Stitcher, or wherever you

00:44:13.580 get your podcasts.

00:44:14.480 And there you have the advantage of seeing our full archives.

00:44:17.580 Um, some people were saying, oh, you got to interview this.

00:44:20.000 Somebody was like, interview Mike, Mike, uh, Rowe of Dirty Jobs.

00:44:23.200 Well, we did.

00:44:23.920 And it was amazing.

00:44:24.760 It was right after the new year in 2021.

00:44:26.920 Go back and check that one out.

00:44:28.380 Want to stay spooked?

00:44:29.300 We've got a great UFO share a show in there as well, where we investigated whether those

00:44:34.120 are real.

00:44:35.040 I won't bury the lead.

00:44:36.860 Yes, I will go back and check it out.

00:44:38.420 It's time for another edition of our feature, You Can't Say That, or Do That, or Think That.

00:44:47.680 Oh, wait, this is America.

00:44:49.200 And for our special Halloween edition, we are changing our feature to, You Can't Celebrate

00:44:54.520 That, meaning Halloween.

00:44:56.640 No, Halloween is apparently very problematic now, according to the decision makers in a

00:45:02.340 few school districts around the country this year.

00:45:04.340 In one school district in Massachusetts, Halloween celebrations are officially canceled, so they

00:45:10.320 can, quote, de-emphasize Halloween and shift our focus toward community building through

00:45:16.300 fall celebrations.

00:45:18.380 What's important to this school district instead of dressing up like a superhero?

00:45:22.040 Quote, the equity and inclusion of all students, of course.

00:45:26.100 But this is not an isolated incident, not isolated to a single group of weird far-left

00:45:31.100 northeast schools.

00:45:32.140 No, up in Seattle, the racial equity team at one elementary school, yes, there's a racial

00:45:36.160 equity team at an elementary school, has made the decision after five years of study

00:45:40.220 to cancel the annual pumpkin parade.

00:45:43.920 Offensive as it is.

00:45:45.540 Five years of hard work, and the result is no dressing up and walking around in your costume

00:45:49.560 this year, kids.

00:45:50.560 Sorry.

00:45:51.380 Why?

00:45:52.060 Well, the parade can marginalize students of color who do not celebrate the holiday.

00:45:56.080 And so the parade has been nixed in favor of more inclusive and educational opportunities

00:45:59.960 during the school day.

00:46:01.020 Those include things like thematic units of study about the fall and reviewing autumnal

00:46:07.980 artwork.

00:46:09.240 Know what you can do with your autumnal artwork?

00:46:12.060 Give me fun and spooky any year.

00:46:14.820 Remember, as you dress your kids up for Halloween this year, you could be prevented because in some

00:46:19.820 parts of America, you can't celebrate that.

00:46:23.120 Oh, wait.

00:46:23.860 Yes, you can.

00:46:25.240 This is America.

00:46:26.780 Don't go away.

00:46:27.760 Another great guest coming up.

00:46:31.020 Joining me now is the host of the Paranormal Podcast and Campfire Podcast, hugely, hugely

00:46:40.980 popular, Jim Harreld.

00:46:43.460 Jim has been creating paranormal content since 2005, creating and relating, and his podcasts

00:46:49.140 have over 50 million downloads.

00:46:51.920 He gives listeners from all over the world a platform to share their own encounters with

00:46:56.900 the unexplainable.

00:46:58.020 Welcome, Jim.

00:46:59.580 What I love about your podcast is people so often are sheepish about, like they're almost

00:47:06.200 embarrassed, you know, like they've never shared the story before and they might be like,

00:47:10.780 I know I sound crazy, but yours is a place they can go to not feel crazy and to share stories

00:47:17.340 that I guarantee so many of the listeners are like, yes, me too, or something similar.

00:47:22.000 Yeah, that's so true, because I think through the years we've all been conditioned.

00:47:26.940 It's kind of what Jason was saying before.

00:47:28.700 You tell kids, oh, don't believe in that stuff.

00:47:31.000 So we're kind of conditioned that if you tell these kind of stories, ghosts, UFOs, whatever it

00:47:36.040 might be, paranormal stories, that you're shunned and looked down upon.

00:47:41.640 And what we try to do, you know, it's nonjudgmental and just come in and tell us on Jim Harreld's

00:47:48.560 campfire, just come in, tell us what happened and we're not going to call you crazy.

00:47:53.600 In fact, we'll probably tell you, yeah, I've heard somebody just like that.

00:47:57.000 And that has happened to other people.

00:47:58.580 And that's kind of fun when somebody tells you something and they think it's a totally

00:48:02.860 new concept.

00:48:03.620 And you say, no, I've heard about that this time and this time and this time.

00:48:07.060 So we try to provide that for folks.

00:48:09.840 So what got you interested in this line of work?

00:48:12.860 Well, gosh, it goes back to when I was a little kid watching In Search of with Leonard Nimoy.

00:48:17.360 So Leonard, wherever you are, thank you.

00:48:20.120 And I followed it on the side for a long time.

00:48:24.880 And in 2005, when no one knew what a podcast was, pretty much, I decided to start a show.

00:48:30.740 It was so early I got the name The Paranormal Podcast and launched Campfire later.

00:48:36.340 But that was a natural topic for me because I was just always gravitated as both a kid

00:48:42.900 and an adult.

00:48:44.620 And I heard that at one point you've said a series of coincidences or events saved you

00:48:51.460 from not being home when there was a drive-by shooting at one of your homes when you were

00:48:56.300 younger.

00:48:56.760 What do you mean?

00:48:58.240 Yeah, my first apartment out of college was in a little sketchy area.

00:49:03.520 I'm from the Cleveland area.

00:49:06.440 And anyway, my girlfriend at the time, who is now my wife, I took her home.

00:49:13.760 We went to Amusement Park.

00:49:14.940 So it was very late, Cedar Point, very late.

00:49:16.980 She said, you know what?

00:49:17.980 I'll ask your dad if he can sleep on the couch.

00:49:21.400 Now, we'd only been dating four or five months.

00:49:23.160 I said, no, no way.

00:49:24.160 No way.

00:49:24.780 No way.

00:49:25.460 She said, well, you're going to fall asleep going home.

00:49:27.640 So finally, I agree.

00:49:29.620 I sleep on the couch.

00:49:31.240 Go back the next morning.

00:49:32.660 We have a nice breakfast and so forth.

00:49:35.480 I come back and it's one of those old A-frame style houses, right?

00:49:39.900 Okay.

00:49:40.660 The landlord's son lives in the back.

00:49:43.020 I live in the front.

00:49:45.280 And he's out on the street and he's pointing at the house.

00:49:49.680 And I get out of my car and I'm like, hey, what's up, Dave?

00:49:55.520 He's like, we got to talk.

00:49:56.820 I'm like, oh, sure.

00:49:57.720 What's up?

00:49:58.380 He's like, there's been a drive by.

00:49:59.640 I'm like, oh, my goodness.

00:50:01.100 Whose house?

00:50:02.280 He said, our house.

00:50:04.180 Turned out that in the middle of the night, about three o'clock in the morning, it got hit

00:50:08.660 by several lines of AK-47 fire.

00:50:12.480 Oh, man.

00:50:13.200 They hit the wrong house.

00:50:14.440 It was dark blue.

00:50:15.640 The house next to us was light blue.

00:50:17.940 Somebody crossed somebody.

00:50:19.140 And it wasn't even at that time that bad of a neighborhood.

00:50:21.780 The police were stunned.

00:50:23.700 And they said, what does this guy who's not here do for a living?

00:50:27.140 And they said, oh, he works at a classical music radio station.

00:50:30.280 So I wasn't any kind of kingpin.

00:50:33.820 But that was a case where I believe that chess pieces were moved by something or someone.

00:50:40.960 And this is where the paranormal part comes in.

00:50:43.860 What are the chances that that would happen on that night and I wasn't there?

00:50:48.440 I was there basically every other night I lived there.

00:50:51.400 Something I think saved me.

00:50:54.280 And I think that does happen.

00:50:56.540 And we've had many accounts on Campfire of that.

00:50:59.920 What about, I mean, yes, the hand of fate, the hand of God.

00:51:03.220 Who knows?

00:51:04.080 Right.

00:51:04.200 I always say, who are we as mere mortals to think we've got it all figured out?

00:51:09.800 We don't have it all figured out.

00:51:12.060 It's absurd to just reject all of this is impossible.

00:51:15.460 I think to stay open minded is the intelligent route on things like this.

00:51:20.420 And I will tell you, I don't know if this laid the foundation or if this was already in me.

00:51:25.380 But for me, I lost my dad when I was 15.

00:51:28.720 Suddenly, I was 15.

00:51:29.960 He was 45 to a heart attack.

00:51:31.700 This is 1985, you know, before we had statins, before it's much.

00:51:37.440 I mean, you could still have a heart attack, obviously.

00:51:38.820 But it's easier to prevent in today's day and age.

00:51:42.900 And for years thereafter, we all from time to time would ask for signs from him, you know,

00:51:49.080 like send me a sign if you're still around, if you can see me, if, you know, we're still

00:51:53.200 together.

00:51:54.120 And I'm telling you, I've never asked for one without receiving.

00:51:57.460 And I know you could say, well, you made it happen, right?

00:51:59.620 And I just I have to tell you, I'm not sure how I could have made the things that happened

00:52:04.800 to me or my mom could have made the things that happened to her happen.

00:52:08.840 You know, it's just little things, too.

00:52:10.760 I'll give I'll just give you one example.

00:52:12.040 But my dad had given my mom a bouquet of roses for their anniversary years earlier.

00:52:20.920 And shortly after he died, she asked for a sign.

00:52:23.360 And this is years early.

00:52:24.280 Ladies, you know how we change our purses.

00:52:25.900 And it's like, you know, never shall the things that were in the purse be seen again,

00:52:29.780 for the most part, certainly not 10 years down the line.

00:52:33.340 So this is about 10 years later.

00:52:34.760 And she asked for a sign after he died.

00:52:36.500 And she's digging around her purse one day for a pen or some gum or something.

00:52:40.860 Out came the card.

00:52:42.620 It was one of those little cards that comes with flowers, right?

00:52:45.640 And for me, I'll give this as my one other.

00:52:48.140 I was in Chicago.

00:52:49.280 I was a young lawyer.

00:52:50.260 It was around 1995.

00:52:51.920 And it was about 10 years after.

00:52:53.520 And I was missing him.

00:52:54.500 I was playing guitar, which was a stress reliever for me for my law job at the time.

00:52:58.600 And I was feeling sad.

00:53:00.940 And I said, Dad, you know, I could use a sign.

00:53:04.160 And I literally flipped the page of my guitar book.

00:53:07.700 And the very next page on my brand new guitar book I just bought was this song he used to sing to us when we were little.

00:53:15.460 You guys may know it.

00:53:17.500 Worried Man, I think it's called.

00:53:19.440 Oh, yeah.

00:53:19.780 Takes a worried, worried man to sing a worried song.

00:53:23.460 Yes.

00:53:24.160 And I was like, oh.

00:53:25.120 And I could play it.

00:53:26.220 I'd only learned, you know, A, C, G, E.

00:53:29.280 I could play.

00:53:30.120 I was like tear streaming down my face.

00:53:32.440 Okay.

00:53:32.880 It can all be explained, I guess.

00:53:34.640 But there I could go on.

00:53:35.760 And I'm just saying I know so many people who have stories like that.

00:53:38.760 I believe.

00:53:40.500 Yeah, I do, too.

00:53:41.580 And I've had a couple of those myself.

00:53:44.240 And there's one.

00:53:45.840 I won't necessarily go into it because I know we're talking more spooky stuff today.

00:53:49.280 But just like series after series of coincidences for everything to line up to get me that message.

00:53:55.480 And maybe the message is I'm thinking of you, too.

00:53:58.020 And so many people have that.

00:53:59.440 And to me, the paranormal, and today I know we're talking scary, spooky stuff.

00:54:03.560 But it's a continuum.

00:54:04.900 It's just like our everyday lives.

00:54:07.200 As Jason was saying earlier, darker energies.

00:54:09.780 Yeah, there is such a thing.

00:54:10.800 I believe that.

00:54:11.680 I mean, people say there's no good and evil.

00:54:14.320 I think there's good and evil.

00:54:16.440 But the point being, it's a continuum.

00:54:18.420 And there's some really creepy, scary stuff.

00:54:21.340 And there is some very heartwarming stuff, too.

00:54:23.880 And we try to cover it all on the shows.

00:54:25.740 Yes, right.

00:54:26.340 It is a continuum.

00:54:27.020 I mean, it's like if you think it's just over when we die, that's the end of everything.

00:54:31.180 And there's no more energy that carries on.

00:54:33.000 Then you're out on all of this.

00:54:34.460 You're out on all of this.

00:54:35.180 But you're also in the minority of Americans, at least, most of whom believe there is something.

00:54:40.920 Whatever it is, some sort of energy that stays, a spirit, however you want to define it.

00:54:45.920 There's just been so many reports along those lines.

00:54:49.640 I don't know.

00:54:51.580 So you've been taking in stories from your listeners and your fans for years.

00:54:56.700 And we had our producers ask you what you thought was the wildest story that you'd ever gotten.

00:55:02.680 And I understand it is the Roadhouse Saloon story.

00:55:07.960 Now, I think that we have a clip.

00:55:10.100 We've got a clip from your podcast where the woman, the whole thing is like 25 minutes long.

00:55:15.940 So people should go to your podcast and check it out.

00:55:18.360 But here's just a brief clip.

00:55:19.860 And then I'll come back to you on the backside.

00:55:22.080 Listen here.

00:55:22.560 Sure.

00:55:23.120 T.I., welcome to the program.

00:55:25.400 Tell us about the Roadhouse Saloon because it's apparently quite a mysterious place.

00:55:30.360 This took place up in way northwest, way in the north woods.

00:55:36.140 In Wisconsin.

00:55:36.580 And my friend and I, in Wisconsin, we are way up north there.

00:55:39.720 We have a family place over that way.

00:55:42.380 And my friend and I had been, we'd gone to see a band play that was about an hour,

00:55:49.020 maybe a little bit further away from where we lived.

00:55:52.760 Well, as we were driving back, it was one of those nights where there was no moon.

00:55:58.380 And as we were driving along, nature started to call.

00:56:04.400 And we needed a place to stop and use the restroom.

00:56:07.980 Well, there is no place to stop.

00:56:10.860 So as we turned down the last highway that we were going to head just a little bit south,

00:56:16.500 we were about a half hour, maybe a little bit more from home.

00:56:19.820 And right as we turned there, like a beacon in the darkness, was the Roadhouse Saloon.

00:56:25.100 And it had the bright neon lights, you know, with the beer signs in the windows.

00:56:29.460 Sure.

00:56:29.900 The big neon, neon, you know, Roadhouse Saloon signs.

00:56:33.980 Like something out of a movie.

00:56:35.440 Like something out of a movie.

00:56:36.220 Just like out of the movies, yep.

00:56:37.900 And this is like three o'clock in the morning.

00:56:40.740 We sat there and I said, just stop, pull in, and I'll leave the restroom and stay for a little while.

00:56:45.460 And when we opened up the bar door, there were all the people in there.

00:56:51.820 There were probably eight, maybe ten, I don't know, folks in there.

00:56:56.040 It wasn't like two or three.

00:56:57.580 There were at least eight people in the bar.

00:57:00.380 And everybody instantly turned to us and said, hi, come on in.

00:57:06.820 Bob had Ken took me a beer, my friend, and we walked over toward the mural.

00:57:11.920 And as we passed, they said, beautiful old shoebox.

00:57:15.460 And sitting at a table were two guys that were playing cards, three, and then there were a couple of guys playing pool at the pool table.

00:57:23.160 And as we passed them, nobody was talking.

00:57:26.160 It was just quiet.

00:57:27.000 They just kind of watched us.

00:57:28.960 And we walked over and looked at the mural and we were talking about it.

00:57:33.960 And it was really interesting.

00:57:36.260 It was painted like the set would be painted on a stage.

00:57:41.060 So things like faded out at the side and it was so sharp towards the center and in places.

00:57:47.180 And as we were looking at it, I looked at the – it was a scene out of a Western saloon.

00:57:52.600 And there was a table with people playing cards and there was a billiard table and everything.

00:57:57.000 And as I looked at the painting of the people playing cards,

00:58:00.560 I looked back over to the two guys playing cards at the table and it was them.

00:58:07.580 That's amazing.

00:58:09.300 But it gets – it gets crazier.

00:58:11.480 It gets totally crazier.

00:58:13.520 Okay, I'll try to make it quick.

00:58:15.580 So anyway, they're looking at this mural and they have the swinging doors, you know, like they're in the old Westerns.

00:58:22.460 But they notice something they didn't notice before.

00:58:25.300 They see two misty figures in the doorway.

00:58:28.840 They look back and they're talking to each other and they're saying,

00:58:31.760 T.I. and Bob, those are the two people.

00:58:33.980 T.I.'s the woman, Bob's the man.

00:58:36.100 And say, we didn't see those before.

00:58:38.380 They look back, they're more developed in.

00:58:40.440 T.I. notices that the woman, the shorter figure, has curly hair and boots.

00:58:46.020 She has curly hair and boots.

00:58:47.840 Then she notices a cane.

00:58:50.420 T.I. walks with a cane.

00:58:53.600 And at that point, Bob and T.I. realize they're developing into the picture.

00:58:57.280 They decide to book out of the place.

00:59:00.120 Everything goes totally black.

00:59:02.480 There's only one car in the lot, not multiple cars where there were.

00:59:06.040 Long story short, she is brave, a lot braver than me.

00:59:11.020 And she goes back the next night with her sister, I think it is, about 8 o'clock at night.

00:59:15.840 She walks in.

00:59:16.620 And she talks to the bartender, who's a young woman.

00:59:21.000 And she said, yeah, we were in here last night.

00:59:23.300 It was interesting.

00:59:25.100 She said, where's the big handsome guy who was a bartender?

00:59:29.120 And she said, I'm sorry, there's nobody who's a bartender like that here.

00:59:33.560 Just my elderly father.

00:59:34.720 And another feature of the story was a fancy old-time jukebox with vinyl playing chubby

00:59:41.340 checker records.

00:59:42.720 Well, there was a jukebox there, but it was a CD jukebox and no chubby checker records.

00:59:48.900 She almost got stuck in some kind of alternate dimension.

00:59:53.280 And the thing is, Megan, I've met her in person.

00:59:57.320 I went up to the Midwest, upper Midwest, where she lives, did a video segment.

01:00:02.160 And I got to tell you, I believe her.

01:00:04.760 I believe her.

01:00:05.620 I believe she almost got trapped in this weird dimension.

01:00:08.800 What that is, don't ask me, but I think it happened.

01:00:12.920 She sounds credible.

01:00:14.380 You can sort of tell from somebody's voice if they're, you know, not all the time, but

01:00:17.980 if they're in touch with reality.

01:00:19.840 And she's a great storyteller, too.

01:00:21.420 Oh, yeah.

01:00:22.000 And the other thing about that is, and by the way, our audio is a lot better these days.

01:00:25.640 That's from quite a few years ago.

01:00:29.400 The thing is, is that I'm not going to get into her personal life, but she's retired from

01:00:33.820 a respected profession, something people would look up to.

01:00:38.220 So not, and that's the thing.

01:00:39.920 People think, oh, these people that have experiences, they're cuckoo, they're woo-woo, they're

01:00:45.400 out in space.

01:00:46.480 But almost everybody, even the skeptics, Megan, have a story.

01:00:52.000 Oh, it's amazing.

01:00:53.340 That's one of the things I noticed if I listen to your podcast.

01:00:56.000 It's person after person.

01:00:57.280 They're smart.

01:00:58.480 They're articulate.

01:00:59.680 They're well-informed.

01:01:01.100 Yeah, they may have good jobs.

01:01:02.600 This is not like a bunch of kooks being like, oh, Jim, it's like they sound like normal,

01:01:08.080 totally normal, regular, smart people who just had something very bizarre happen to

01:01:12.080 them.

01:01:12.440 That story kind of reminds me of the Purple Rose of Cairo, where the woman is obsessed with

01:01:17.620 the movie and she keeps going.

01:01:18.820 And then finally, one day they look at her from the screen and start talking to her.

01:01:22.380 And before she knows it, she's in the movie.

01:01:24.800 Right.

01:01:25.340 Yeah, that's right.

01:01:26.560 You know, the thing about this, though, when I started these shows 16 years ago, I had very

01:01:31.820 definitive thoughts.

01:01:33.440 You know, UFOs are aliens.

01:01:35.300 There's heaven and hell.

01:01:36.740 There's this.

01:01:37.300 There's that.

01:01:37.820 And over time, I'm more convinced than ever that something's going on.

01:01:42.980 I don't know exactly what it is, though.

01:01:45.340 I'm more confused than ever what's going on.

01:01:48.340 But I'm more absolute that there is something and there's more to reality than just us sitting

01:01:53.700 here and three score and 10 and all of that.

01:01:56.100 Do you agree with Jason about his sort of classification of ghosts or spirits saying,

01:02:02.260 OK, there's sort of the alleged demons, which he classifies more as like a pretty much only

01:02:07.220 deeply religious people see those and, you know, can be explained accordingly.

01:02:11.560 But then he says there's the, for lack of a better term, human ghost that's that can interact

01:02:17.160 with you that can move things around.

01:02:19.240 Then the residual, I think he said, ghost was the second kind that keeps doing the same

01:02:23.520 thing over and over.

01:02:24.900 And he also said there's sort of the poltergeist ghost, which is a different phenomenon where

01:02:29.960 it's it's not exactly like the movie poltergeist, but it's I think he did say, or at least I

01:02:35.960 read him him right, that it's like little girls tend to be doing the same things.

01:02:40.480 I don't know.

01:02:40.840 What do you how do you how would you classify the spirits?

01:02:43.060 Well, I would think that most of that works for me.

01:02:46.140 I don't know about the religion part.

01:02:47.680 I don't really get into people's religion and those kind of things.

01:02:51.920 I mean, I think you could see an evil spirit if you're an atheist.

01:02:55.300 But in terms of residual ghosts and sentient ghosts and the idea of ghosts that present

01:03:01.380 themselves through a poltergeist, I agree with all of that.

01:03:04.260 And obviously, you know, Jason has years of experience, 30 plus years of experience.

01:03:09.660 I would never you know, I would never go against what he says.

01:03:13.620 But yeah, I think some things are just simply a replay.

01:03:18.460 And you see the ghost doing the same thing over and over and over.

01:03:22.240 And then I think there are these sentient ghosts that interact in some way.

01:03:27.620 And to me, those are maybe the the more interesting.

01:03:30.880 But yeah, for the most part, yes.

01:03:33.020 How often are people calling in saying they actually saw the ghost as opposed to something

01:03:39.180 moved?

01:03:39.800 I heard something.

01:03:40.800 A sound was made, you know, that kind of thing.

01:03:45.000 Probably less than you would think.

01:03:47.020 I mean, people assume the show is just ghosts, but it's not one thing people report.

01:03:51.960 And it's not a ghost per se, but actually it's scarier to me than an actual prototypical

01:03:58.200 ghost is the idea of a shadow person.

01:04:00.760 And specifically what a shadow person is, and many people see these at night, they'll see

01:04:05.460 a figure that looks like it's a hole cut into the universe in the shape of a person.

01:04:10.660 And the way they describe it is darker than dark, blacker than black.

01:04:15.240 And then also sometimes that's accompanied by something called the hat man.

01:04:20.120 And that's this shadow figure, which just looks like a black figure.

01:04:25.520 And it has a hat on and it's totally black, like a Hulk, like somebody cut a hole out of

01:04:30.600 the universe.

01:04:31.160 Now, I ask you, Megan, if you woke up and saw the hat man shadow me, that seems to me

01:04:37.620 absolutely terrifying.

01:04:39.500 I would have my rosary out in a New York minute.

01:04:42.100 And yes, I still know how to say it.

01:04:43.720 And then my Nana taught me well, I've still got that skill.

01:04:46.080 Good for you.

01:04:46.320 Good for you.

01:04:47.380 My wife's Catholic.

01:04:48.700 I just play one on TV.

01:04:50.900 We're going to have more with Jim next.

01:04:52.740 He's going to be sharing some more ghost stories with you.

01:04:54.560 And I will tell you the one I had in Florence, Italy that my kids absolutely love.

01:05:05.140 So let's start with a story I also enjoyed on your podcast, which is that of the phantom

01:05:09.900 nurse.

01:05:10.840 Tell us about that one, Jim.

01:05:11.980 Oh, this is a good one.

01:05:13.080 And this was from England.

01:05:15.440 Dave from England called up because we have callers from all over the world.

01:05:19.180 And he said that his partner, Paula, her mom is a spooky person.

01:05:27.760 Things weird happened to her.

01:05:29.820 And she was in the hospital.

01:05:31.220 She had a series of a lot of little health things.

01:05:33.980 So she was in the hospital overnight for one of these procedures.

01:05:39.080 And all of a sudden a nurse comes up to her and asks her if she wants a spot of tea as they do over in the UK.

01:05:47.960 But the thing about this nurse was is that she wasn't wearing kind of what we come to know of now, like kind of loose fitting clothes of nurses.

01:05:57.740 Now she was wearing a proper old time English nurses outfit.

01:06:03.660 So with the hats, the whole thing, something that looks like it's out of central casting from the 1940s.

01:06:11.540 And Paula's mom says, yeah, I'd like some tea.

01:06:14.800 Sure.

01:06:15.100 But she kept thinking, what in the world is going on with this outfit?

01:06:19.020 Why is this woman in this ancient dress?

01:06:23.680 So anyway, quite a bit of time goes by, maybe a half hour, 30, 40 minutes.

01:06:29.660 And the nurse comes back, has a cup of tea, still in her old time outfit.

01:06:36.900 And Paula's mom says, thanks.

01:06:40.740 Thank you for doing that.

01:06:42.000 But what's up with the uniform?

01:06:44.100 And the nurse just smiles and walks off, doesn't see her the rest of the evening.

01:06:50.580 So anyway, she gets a procedure done and Paula's mom sees a psychic regularly.

01:06:57.500 And she's talking to the psychic and tells her the experience.

01:07:01.240 And the psychic says, well, you let me tune in here or whatever psychics do to do that.

01:07:07.080 I'm not psychic at all, so I don't know.

01:07:08.980 But anyway, tunes in and he says, yes, you've seen a ghost.

01:07:12.040 Her name is Lily.

01:07:14.100 So anyway, next time, Paula is at the NHS hospital.

01:07:19.080 She's talking to one of the people.

01:07:21.660 And by the way, I should mention that there was only one nurse on duty that night.

01:07:26.420 And it did not meet this woman's description.

01:07:29.160 She was a different race and everything.

01:07:31.960 So supposedly that nurse wasn't there.

01:07:35.100 So anyway, she goes back for a procedure and she asks the staff, hey, I was here the one night.

01:07:40.280 But there was this this woman that I saw and this was what she was wearing.

01:07:47.260 And they said, oh, you've seen the resident ghost nurse.

01:07:51.300 You've seen Lily.

01:07:53.500 Well, you have it.

01:07:55.020 There you have it.

01:07:55.700 And that's the thing.

01:07:56.920 I mean, particularly Jason was touching on this, too, with places with history and so forth.

01:08:02.200 I mean, maybe some of these ghosts, I don't understand it, but maybe some of these ghosts

01:08:09.260 enjoy a place or maybe they enjoy a certain thing or maybe they enjoy giving giving patients

01:08:15.840 tea.

01:08:16.460 I don't know.

01:08:17.800 But there it is.

01:08:18.960 And here are those reports.

01:08:19.900 It's hotels, theaters, hospitals, the list goes on and on.

01:08:25.680 OK, so that is eerie and chilling and exciting.

01:08:29.980 And that brings me to my own ghost story, Jim.

01:08:32.660 So I was also in Europe.

01:08:36.180 I was in Italy studying abroad.

01:08:39.100 I guess it was earlier than 1995.

01:08:41.540 It was it would have been 1991.

01:08:44.600 I was studying abroad.

01:08:45.500 So I was 20 and I was in Florence, Italy, and I stayed through our exchange program at

01:08:51.300 Syracuse University with a family.

01:08:53.580 You know, you could sort of stay in the student dorms or with a family.

01:08:55.840 And I opted to stay with an actual Italian family in what's essentially a suburb of Florence

01:09:01.080 called Settignano.

01:09:02.600 And it's where Michelangelo grew up.

01:09:04.600 And it's beautiful and it's sleepy.

01:09:05.840 And you have to take the numero DHE bus to get there.

01:09:08.760 And it's got a little, you know, little olive groves and grape vineyards and not much

01:09:15.360 else going on.

01:09:16.580 And the house that my family, my host family lived in is was built in the 15th century.

01:09:22.560 So 1400s.

01:09:24.020 And now we're in 1991.

01:09:25.800 Right.

01:09:26.020 So it's 500 years old, this house that I'm in.

01:09:30.060 And it was definitely old and it was charming.

01:09:34.100 It was small.

01:09:35.060 It was on the street corner.

01:09:36.360 It was like sort of at the pointy part of the road, sort of sticking out, protruding

01:09:39.940 into the cobblestone road.

01:09:42.440 And it had bars on the first floor windows, which is where my room was.

01:09:47.040 And I had a roommate, Susie, who stayed with me.

01:09:50.260 She was also in the same program.

01:09:51.560 But she traveled this one particular weekend and I stayed in the house.

01:09:56.100 And the family we were hosted by was a mom and a dad and two young women who are about

01:10:00.700 my age.

01:10:01.320 They were like 20 and 18.

01:10:04.240 So that house was very creaky.

01:10:06.920 You know, you take one step and you would hear the creak of the floorboards and you got

01:10:10.800 used to it.

01:10:11.620 And in my room, there was a big picture of Jesus and a rosary hanging and a big cross

01:10:16.520 and, you know, very sort of nod to the father.

01:10:21.020 So I go to sleep in my room and it's unusual for me to be in there alone because normally

01:10:24.580 Susie, the roommate, is also there.

01:10:25.900 But at this night I'm alone and I fall asleep.

01:10:28.680 And my door is shut and I hear the door open straight out of Central Casting creaky open

01:10:37.480 door.

01:10:38.520 And there are no footsteps as there always would be if a human, you know, on foot were walking

01:10:45.800 in.

01:10:46.580 So I hear the door open and I was frozen, frozen with fear.

01:10:52.620 I knew there was a presence in this room that was not an actual human being.

01:10:57.900 And the next thing I know, I hear my backpack, which is right behind my head on the desk,

01:11:05.580 open.

01:11:06.900 I hear it unzip.

01:11:09.360 And then I hear it dropped on the floor.

01:11:12.780 And I get out of the bed.

01:11:15.820 I mean, I didn't get out of the bed until the next morning.

01:11:17.280 I stayed frozen, unafraid.

01:11:18.900 I mean, totally afraid and unable to open my eyes.

01:11:21.740 I was like paralyzed.

01:11:22.980 So I get up the next morning.

01:11:26.660 I get out of the bed.

01:11:27.660 Sure enough, the backpack is on the floor, unzipped.

01:11:31.580 I'm like, I don't know what happened.

01:11:33.960 I have no idea.

01:11:35.640 But I go out.

01:11:36.840 I see my Italian family having their coffee.

01:11:39.680 And I say, the most bizarre thing happened to me last night.

01:11:42.600 And similar to the woman you just told us about, they were like, that's our ghost.

01:11:49.280 I'm like, what?

01:11:50.660 They said she's a 16-year-old girl who died in a fire that was in this house hundreds of

01:11:58.820 years ago.

01:11:59.620 We've all seen her.

01:12:01.980 Meanwhile, I'm like, a heads up would have been appreciated.

01:12:05.280 But they just take it to such a normal thing, they probably never even thought.

01:12:11.820 It's like, oh, it's the ghost.

01:12:12.800 Big deal.

01:12:13.500 Totally.

01:12:14.080 They've been living in this house.

01:12:15.040 They've been living with her.

01:12:16.240 They really didn't think it was a thing.

01:12:17.580 And they all just accepted it, as a matter of fact, and not even anything creepy.

01:12:21.100 Like, they sort of give each other points whenever anybody runs into the 16-year-old

01:12:25.420 ghost.

01:12:27.180 Yeah.

01:12:28.280 There was a very similar story.

01:12:29.820 I'm trying to recall the details, but very similar with a woman who stayed with a family

01:12:34.580 in Mexico, a friend of Mexico, almost similar.

01:12:38.240 And she spent the night, but then she kept hearing somebody tapping on the wall and somebody

01:12:43.200 talking kind of a high-pitched voice speaking Spanish.

01:12:47.300 And the next morning, she said, well, who was that?

01:12:50.760 And I said, oh, don't worry about it.

01:12:52.640 It's my grandma.

01:12:53.680 She died years ago.

01:12:55.080 She just comes and visits every now and then.

01:12:57.600 Whoa.

01:12:57.700 I mean, now that would be meaningful, right?

01:12:59.500 If you could actually have an exchange with somebody where you talk about real-life stuff.

01:13:04.200 Or someone you loved, you know, who you could have a chat with.

01:13:08.620 I wonder how hard, and this is something I struggle with.

01:13:11.240 I don't have an answer.

01:13:12.680 How hard, because we get these stories of people communicating with loved ones.

01:13:17.260 And maybe I've had phone calls, for example.

01:13:20.140 We had one last week where somebody called and said their dad called in a dream.

01:13:23.760 And it was very vivid and said, do this, this, and this.

01:13:27.140 But, and I've even had people say that they actually got phone calls.

01:13:30.660 But everything seems to be very brief.

01:13:32.980 It's like you don't typically sit down and have a conversation.

01:13:35.760 So I think whatever the process is to make contact, particularly with loved ones, it's

01:13:42.660 not easy.

01:13:43.880 I've heard of it taking years, people years later getting a contact of some type.

01:13:49.160 However they get in touch with us, I don't think it's particularly easy.

01:13:53.140 Just my thoughts.

01:13:53.780 Okay, so let's talk about another one of your stories, a physician and a strange patient.

01:13:59.920 You mentioned hospitals.

01:14:00.920 Here we go again.

01:14:01.800 Yeah, well, here's this one.

01:14:03.500 The thing that I love about this, Megan, because people say you're into the paranormal.

01:14:07.240 You don't care about science.

01:14:08.300 Well, I love science.

01:14:09.480 Look, we're doing the Ted Koppel thing, right?

01:14:12.180 I mean, I love science.

01:14:14.300 Science is great.

01:14:15.400 But there's room for more.

01:14:16.840 And I loved when a person of science, like a physician, has a report.

01:14:20.020 But this also was in the UK, but probably run about 10% of calls from the UK.

01:14:25.480 This is just a great one.

01:14:27.480 And he was qualifying to be a physician.

01:14:32.220 I guess that's like residency here.

01:14:33.680 And he was working on the lower level of a hospital, like four or five flights up.

01:14:38.820 So they got like a code blue cardiac arrest rushed to the top floor.

01:14:44.260 So he's going through the stairwell and he's going through the halls.

01:14:47.540 And he suddenly sees on the third floor this patient.

01:14:52.680 And he has like a shirt on, a mint green shirt, but no pants.

01:14:56.980 He's totally naked.

01:14:58.260 And he's thinking, oh, great.

01:14:59.960 You know, this guy's got dementia or something.

01:15:01.880 I got to go up and save somebody's life.

01:15:04.300 I'm dealing with this.

01:15:05.940 Hey, nurses, come over here.

01:15:07.800 Help this man out.

01:15:08.940 And then he goes up and he's winded and stuff.

01:15:12.460 But that is nothing compared to what he sees when he walks into the room.

01:15:15.620 So there's a patient flatlining.

01:15:19.000 They're trying to save the patient.

01:15:22.160 The patient is the same man he saw on the third floor.

01:15:28.100 Same shirt.

01:15:30.680 So the man dies.

01:15:33.340 And afterwards, he's thinking, oh, his name was Farbod.

01:15:37.180 Farbod, you're losing your mind.

01:15:39.420 You know, you just were running up the steps.

01:15:41.680 You got hypoxia.

01:15:42.760 You know, you're just imagining this.

01:15:45.420 So he goes down to the nurses on the third floor.

01:15:47.900 And they were still kind of shook up about this because they're like, you came through

01:15:50.840 here yelling.

01:15:51.480 There's a man naked.

01:15:52.860 And he said, well, did you find the man?

01:15:59.300 And they said, no, there was no man.

01:16:02.400 There was no man here.

01:16:03.580 So I asked the question, did he see the embodiment of that man's spirit leaving his body?

01:16:14.180 It absolutely could be.

01:16:15.960 There have been so many stories like that.

01:16:18.520 I remember covering we did a show on the afterlife and people's sightings or near death experiences

01:16:25.420 when I was at NBC.

01:16:26.700 And it was one of my favorite shows.

01:16:29.900 And to your point, there was one of my guests who was a doctor, a scientist and an atheist.

01:16:36.800 She did not believe in any sort of God or afterlife at all until she had this devastating whitewater

01:16:43.580 rafting accident.

01:16:46.000 I've seen this person.

01:16:47.360 Yes.

01:16:47.500 Do you know this woman where she was dead for a number of minutes and was brought back?

01:16:53.640 And I mean, totally life changing for her.

01:16:56.300 A total believer now, still a scientist and a doctor, but just completely changed her worldview

01:17:01.440 because of what she experienced beyond.

01:17:04.540 And I think the thing about children, you know, as I was talking about with Jason is interesting

01:17:07.500 too.

01:17:08.180 It's almost like they're still like they're closer to the beyond than we are.

01:17:12.600 Yes.

01:17:12.940 They're only recent arrivals.

01:17:14.920 Yeah.

01:17:15.400 Right.

01:17:15.700 So I do think there's something more open about children.

01:17:20.300 I don't know, seeing things or understanding things in a way we might not.

01:17:25.120 And, you know, I'm sure people have seen it with their own kids.

01:17:27.280 They come out with some incredible pearl of wisdom or something.

01:17:31.100 You know, we call them old souls sometimes.

01:17:33.480 Where are they getting that from?

01:17:34.980 How do they?

01:17:35.540 Who knows?

01:17:36.860 Right.

01:17:37.100 Who can say?

01:17:38.660 Yeah, it's true.

01:17:40.020 And near death experiences for me, you know, that's the one.

01:17:42.280 And I don't mind that people are a little skeptical.

01:17:44.420 That's fine.

01:17:44.700 But then you have the cynics that just say, ah, there's nothing to this stuff.

01:17:47.720 No, I don't even want to hear it.

01:17:49.120 But how do you explain this, Megan?

01:17:50.580 And I know that you've had this.

01:17:53.360 If you did that show on NBC about NDEs, you know that one of the main reports is floating

01:17:59.420 above your body and being able to recount when the medical staff is working on you.

01:18:05.080 And you're dead or near dying, you're unconscious, you shouldn't see anything, you shouldn't know

01:18:09.840 anything.

01:18:10.100 But you can say, well, that person was wearing a green shirt.

01:18:12.960 That person picked up a scalpel.

01:18:14.440 This person did that.

01:18:16.480 How do you explain that away?

01:18:19.780 Skeptics, how do you explain that away?

01:18:21.300 And even the doctors around the people who offer these reports often will say, she nailed

01:18:28.500 it.

01:18:28.980 Like, they're freaked out because she had it exactly right.

01:18:33.560 You know, it's funny because my team looked up some of the stats on Believers, some of which

01:18:38.980 I offered.

01:18:39.500 And I do think it's kind of funny in this time of year.

01:18:43.300 Of course, people get very interested in these stories.

01:18:45.960 But a couple of things that jumped out to me.

01:18:48.980 OK, Americans are willing to live with a ghost and and even worse than a ghost in a house that

01:18:57.420 has had a murder take place in it.

01:19:00.440 They say, OK, 20 percent would live in a home where a murder has taken place.

01:19:04.320 Um, 46 percent would live in a haunted house if they could get it at a discount.

01:19:11.220 And I heard that people are more concerned about the condition of the roof and the furnace

01:19:16.660 as well.

01:19:18.000 I think I saw that study and people were more concerned.

01:19:20.920 Do I have a good roof?

01:19:21.980 Do I have a good heating system?

01:19:24.040 The ghost's fine.

01:19:25.060 Hey, how old is the furnace?

01:19:26.620 I can deal with that.

01:19:27.400 And I recommend you check your windows, too, because little birds can get in when you're

01:19:30.980 at least expecting it.

01:19:32.040 Oh, yeah.

01:19:32.320 30 percent.

01:19:33.080 Sorry about that.

01:19:33.460 It was funny.

01:19:35.000 Um, Abby has a theory.

01:19:36.400 She thinks it's actually like down the hall where the brain of the studio is, my lights

01:19:39.720 and my my camera.

01:19:40.860 It has a big hole cut in the closet for all the wires looking at you, my friends, a Sirius

01:19:46.680 XM and it leads directly outside.

01:19:49.480 And I think, you know, maybe a little birdie decided that might be fun to go into.

01:19:54.400 OK, so 30 percent of people say they would live next to a cemetery next to a cemetery.

01:20:01.340 Uh, 25 percent say they live next door to a haunted house.

01:20:04.460 I would not want to live next to a cemetery.

01:20:05.960 I have to say.

01:20:07.280 I wouldn't.

01:20:08.180 It was funny because my parents were very working class people, steel worker, not a lot

01:20:12.700 of money, like lower middle class, honestly.

01:20:15.460 And but they bought a house in West Virginia because they were originally from West Virginia.

01:20:20.840 So they wanted to go retire there, which they they ended up doing.

01:20:25.120 And the funny thing was, is when they bought the house, it was like in this little valley.

01:20:30.320 OK, and there was a bunch of brush up on the hill where the road was.

01:20:35.140 And a year or two after they bought it, they cut out the brush.

01:20:38.240 And guess what was there?

01:20:39.380 There was a directly across from it was a cemetery.

01:20:43.000 And I'm like, oh, boy.

01:20:44.700 But, you know, once you got used to it, you didn't even give it a second thought.

01:20:47.560 But I would never as an adult, I would never go intentionally buy a house next to a cemetery.

01:20:53.800 Oh, you just don't want to be reminded of your own mortality all the time.

01:20:56.760 No, that's true.

01:20:57.960 That's true.

01:20:58.480 So 60.

01:20:59.340 So, again, most people will live in a haunted house.

01:21:01.340 They want a discount, though.

01:21:02.220 Seventy five percent say they would require a discount to buy a home where someone was murdered.

01:21:06.500 I mean, that's that's reasonable.

01:21:08.680 Sixty nine percent of those say it should be at least 10 percent off.

01:21:12.080 They want just at least 10 percent off.

01:21:15.040 And then here's an interesting fun fact for you.

01:21:17.780 So if you buy a house that has had haunting in its history and the seller knows it, more

01:21:25.520 and more states are requiring that it be disclosed to you.

01:21:29.740 There was a legal ruling in the state of New York.

01:21:33.460 Stambovsky versus Ackley comes out of Nyack, New York, which is pretty.

01:21:38.440 It's right.

01:21:38.880 It's just north of New York.

01:21:40.040 It's on the Hudson.

01:21:40.980 And there was a baby blue Victorian.

01:21:43.000 And this guy wanted to buy it.

01:21:45.240 But allegedly there were three ghosts loitering around the property.

01:21:48.780 Helen Ackley had lived there from the 60s to the early 90s.

01:21:51.660 She believed she had the ghost.

01:21:52.880 She had seen one painting the living room ceiling, another one in her daughter's bedroom

01:21:56.840 dancing.

01:21:58.320 And this guy, Stambovsky, he was a bond trader from New York, said, yeah, here's thirty two

01:22:02.160 thousand bucks down on what he thought was going to be a six hundred and fifty thousand

01:22:05.220 dollar home.

01:22:05.760 It's according to a Vox dot com article.

01:22:07.880 And then he learned of the home's mysterious past.

01:22:10.740 He sued wanting his down payment back and he won.

01:22:15.260 He won and the court found, and I quote, according to Justice Israel Rubin, as a matter of law,

01:22:20.760 the house is haunted.

01:22:23.080 Ha ha.

01:22:24.560 You know, it's funny.

01:22:25.820 Different people have different philosophies on this.

01:22:28.020 You have places like hotels, for example.

01:22:30.120 And if they're haunted, they will play it to the hilt and come do tours and look at it

01:22:34.420 as kind of an opportunity.

01:22:36.160 There are other hotels.

01:22:37.240 I stayed at a hotel.

01:22:38.680 I won't say where, but out west.

01:22:40.480 Beautiful hotel.

01:22:41.500 Looked like it was from The Shining, actually.

01:22:43.760 And I said, this place has got to be haunted.

01:22:45.740 So I started Googling it on my phone.

01:22:47.880 And sure enough, there were some stories.

01:22:49.180 I asked one of the employees and I said, you know, I'd love to talk to somebody about this

01:22:54.100 for my podcast.

01:22:55.240 It's like, we don't talk about that.

01:22:57.300 And so, I mean, it just depends, you know, on their business proposition.

01:23:01.260 Well, I love it.

01:23:02.100 I love taking a journey down these lanes because, as I say, how can you say definitively not?

01:23:08.660 You can't.

01:23:09.940 So open your mind to possibility.

01:23:11.980 Who knows where it can lead?

01:23:13.540 You've got to check out Jim's podcast.

01:23:15.560 It's amazing.

01:23:16.260 I love the stories.

01:23:17.260 Campfire.

01:23:17.740 Check it out, Jim.

01:23:18.540 So, so glad to know you and to have you here.

01:23:21.560 Glad to spend time with you.

01:23:22.660 Thanks.

01:23:22.960 And happy Halloween.

01:23:24.200 Yeah, to you too.

01:23:25.120 The phone lines are lit up right now.

01:23:30.300 We're going to start with Christina in Texas.

01:23:33.340 Christina, what's your ghost story?

01:23:35.020 Well, first, Megan, I have to say, when you told your story and you responded with the,

01:23:40.520 well, you could have let me know exactly how my story went.

01:23:45.380 Right.

01:23:46.780 So I was staying at a friend's house and I was sleeping on her couch.

01:23:53.780 Sorry, I'm walking in my house.

01:23:56.540 And I was fast asleep and I felt something moving by my ear, like almost like someone was sticking their finger in my ear.

01:24:07.060 Oh, boy.

01:24:08.300 And it woke me up and I opened my eyes and literally in my personal space, about an inch from my face, was a man's face.

01:24:19.400 And it was like a negative.

01:24:22.620 I could see bushy white hair and white facial hair.

01:24:26.840 And I mean, I didn't sleep the rest of the night.

01:24:29.200 So in the morning, I said to her, hey, this is what happened.

01:24:34.480 And she and her husband looked at each other and they both ran for the photo albums and laid out this picture of his dad, who was the previous owner of the house.

01:24:45.160 And it was him.

01:24:47.040 And she said every single day, her cabinets open and close.

01:24:52.320 The, you know, she'll set a knife down and come back and it's gone, you know, or take a spoon out.

01:24:58.080 Oh, Angie.

01:24:59.260 And so did you say, you know, in the future?

01:25:06.040 Yeah, if you want to let me know, I might not.

01:25:09.600 I mean, it was funny because it was it was frightening in the moment.

01:25:14.280 But then when I knew that, I went, OK, maybe I'm a little less scared, but I'm not sleeping over again.

01:25:19.500 Well, it's so because your story, my story and the story of the Lily nurse, it's even more compelling when the people you wind up saying it to are like, oh, yeah, and can confirm it.

01:25:29.720 I mean, it's tough to explain if you just stick in sort of our worldly knowledge.

01:25:35.340 But I love it, Christina.

01:25:36.620 Thank you.

01:25:37.740 OK, I want to get down to let's go to Rory in Missouri.

01:25:42.740 Rory, what's your scary ghost story?

01:25:44.900 Hi, this is Laurie.

01:25:46.520 And my childhood home was haunted.

01:25:50.140 We had we were the second family that lived there.

01:25:53.860 It was vacant for 35 years after the original owner passed away and we were a young family and we moved in.

01:26:02.420 And my father worked nights and my mother would have occasions where she would hear the basketball bouncing in the basement.

01:26:11.140 And she went and opened the door one time only and found the basketball on the landing.

01:26:19.500 Oh, man.

01:26:20.720 And then I would hear I would be up in my bedroom on the second floor and I would hear somebody calling my name loud and clear.

01:26:29.700 And I run downstairs and say, what do you need?

01:26:31.960 And she's like, nobody called you.

01:26:33.940 And then we had an occasion where we had gotten a tape recorder for Christmas and I don't know how my mother discovered this, but she called us all in to the living room and she said, did any of you record this from TV or anything?

01:26:51.420 And she played it for us.

01:26:53.800 And it was loud, clanging, banging door echoing and then echoing footsteps.

01:27:01.900 And then a really inaudible voice that was deep and you didn't understand what they were saying, but it was really unnerving.

01:27:14.080 It reminds me of the Jason video where you could hear the voice down the hallway saying hello or she's like sort of muffled, but a voice out there.

01:27:24.100 Exactly.

01:27:24.880 Years later, I went back and visited the home and and it was the second owner after we had sold it.

01:27:31.460 And I told him our experiences and he said, really?

01:27:34.600 He goes, that explains it.

01:27:36.540 He said, our dog will sit in the living room and howl.

01:27:39.720 Oh, maybe that's what's causing the trouble with my little Strudwick, my puppy.

01:27:45.540 Maybe, you know, something we don't know.

01:27:48.780 Oh, Lori, thank you.

01:27:50.340 Thank you for your story.

01:27:51.680 Wow.

01:27:52.100 OK, how about Tom, my fellow Connecticut resident?

01:27:56.420 I like to call myself a New Englander now.

01:27:58.620 Tom, what's your scary ghost story?

01:28:01.040 Oh, hey, Megan.

01:28:02.160 I'm really glad I found your show.

01:28:03.760 I'm glad to hear you every day.

01:28:06.360 Can you hear me?

01:28:07.500 Yeah, I gotcha.

01:28:08.280 Thank you.

01:28:08.680 Oh, I'm sorry.

01:28:09.720 Sorry.

01:28:10.840 Well, this is how these sort of things have happened to me quite a bit in my life.

01:28:14.640 But when I was 17, I just gotten back from my first year of college.

01:28:21.300 I was back in my hometown and tired.

01:28:24.760 And I'm upstairs.

01:28:25.660 We had not that big a house, but my I share a room with my older brother who was downstairs

01:28:29.980 having a party.

01:28:31.840 And I'm kind of half asleep and the door opens a crack and I can see the light and I can see

01:28:36.540 Oh, it's my brother's best friend, Larry.

01:28:39.540 And, uh, but I'm not, you know, I was looking for my brother.

01:28:43.380 He looks over my brother's bed.

01:28:45.560 He looked real disappointed, like, or disappointed.

01:28:48.340 And I figured, are you going to find my brother downstairs at the party?

01:28:52.340 So I didn't even say anything.

01:28:53.920 So, uh, anyway, an hour or so later, my brother comes in after the party, puts on all the lights,

01:28:59.300 of course, because, you know, my big brother's annoying.

01:29:02.060 And, uh, anyway, I said, did you find, did Larry find you?

01:29:05.960 And, um, he said, what?

01:29:08.260 Larry, Larry was looking for you.

01:29:10.160 He goes, no, Larry wasn't here.

01:29:11.960 He's having dinner with his future in-laws tonight.

01:29:15.920 Not, like, not anywhere near there.

01:29:18.320 Um, okay.

01:29:20.000 So anyway, oh, well, maybe I was dreaming.

01:29:22.900 So, or half dreaming.

01:29:24.500 And then anyway, the next day, my mother, father and I had planned to fly to Los Angeles.

01:29:28.700 My brother was going to stay home.

01:29:29.880 So we did, and we landed there and get to the hotel, and, uh, there's a message waiting

01:29:34.720 for my dad.

01:29:35.640 Call home immediately.

01:29:37.520 And, uh, my brother, he did, and my brother answered.

01:29:40.600 And, uh, Larry, Larry, this kid, uh, who's only, like, 20, uh, had picked up a live wire

01:29:49.760 at his, uh, construction site that day, you know, like, a few hours before we landed and,

01:29:55.940 uh, died.

01:29:57.220 Oh, wow.

01:29:57.980 So, and, you know, I, I wish I, I could have, I tried to get it when your guest was there,

01:30:03.300 but, uh, you know, I, I, as I said, I've, these things is, you know, it happened to me

01:30:08.960 a lot, not, not so dark, not as dark as that, but, but, uh, you never know.

01:30:15.820 Like some people, I do think whatever can tap into it, or maybe you have to be open-minded

01:30:20.820 to it, or I don't know what the requirement is, but, um, I, I guess it can happen to even

01:30:26.540 the doubters since we talked about the scientists.

01:30:29.160 Um, I, I believe, and I'm sure you believe, and I just think that is too creepy to discount

01:30:35.200 as, as not true.

01:30:37.340 I just, it's just too crazy.

01:30:39.560 Tom, thank you.

01:30:40.220 I love the story.

01:30:41.040 Appreciate it.

01:30:41.660 All, all the best to Larry.

01:30:43.000 Uh, let's go to David in Maryland.

01:30:44.800 He's got a story for us.

01:30:45.820 Hi, David.

01:30:46.240 What's your ghost story?

01:30:47.220 I grew up in a big family, 10 kids.

01:30:50.500 We moved to a house in Jersey and we lived there for about three years.

01:30:57.360 We moved out and later on, we're all talking.

01:31:00.520 Well, the interesting thing, the four youngest of us all experienced a maternal in spirit.

01:31:09.020 My little brother threw something at my head and got swatted on the back side.

01:31:14.880 I, bringing it to Halloween, my mom used to put the candy up on these big, uh, installed

01:31:23.080 bookshelves that she had to actually get a stepladder to get up to.

01:31:27.100 And I was like five and I couldn't get a stepladder.

01:31:29.100 I tried climbing up there one early morning and fell.

01:31:32.840 I had my hand on the back.

01:31:34.240 So I was up a good eight feet.

01:31:36.120 I fell and it was hardwood floor.

01:31:38.140 Just before I got to the floor, I stopped.

01:31:41.340 I literally levitated for ever so slightly a second and then lightly hit the ground.

01:31:49.140 My sister became very ill, 104 temperature.

01:31:52.960 And my other sister who slept in the same room saw someone sitting in the chair over

01:31:59.200 her every night until her fever broke.

01:32:02.740 A sister who got sick later on, one night woke up.

01:32:06.400 My sister had kicked off her blankets, it was very cold, old New Jersey house and something

01:32:12.460 put the cover back over top of her.

01:32:15.640 And so interesting.

01:32:16.860 So it was a, it was a friendly ghost.

01:32:18.600 I mean, it was at least it was a friendly spirit.

01:32:20.680 Well, the interesting thing is my brother, John, the oldest of them, the only one who said

01:32:25.920 he experienced everything started to experiment with acid.

01:32:29.040 And he said on a few occasions, just after he took it, he heard a very maternal female

01:32:36.640 of us go, oh, John.

01:32:40.640 That actually might have been your mom.

01:32:43.740 Thank you so much for your call, David.

01:32:45.640 Thank you all for your calls.

01:32:46.880 It's funny because we stay in a creepy old house in New Jersey that was once reportedly

01:32:50.820 a brothel.

01:32:51.600 So I'm waiting to see the ghost there.

01:32:53.040 I think they're gonna have all sorts of stories to tell.

01:32:55.140 Well, it's been a pleasure spending this Halloween Eve Eve with you guys.

01:32:59.160 Hope you check out the show, youtube.com forward slash Megan Kelly.

01:33:02.340 Also, you can download it on Apple, Pandora, Spotify, and Stitcher.

01:33:05.720 Thank you so much for being with me and happy Halloween.

01:33:08.640 See you Monday.

01:33:10.080 Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - October 29, 2021

Ghost Stories： A Haunted Megyn Kelly Show Halloween, with Jason Hawes and Jim Harold ｜ Ep. 192

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