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00:00:21.880 Yes, in this latest episode of the Capitol Hill Soap Opera, combat vets are sparring over who should lead our troops.

00:00:33.780 The first star of our series was Matt Gaetz, gone but not forgotten.

00:00:38.820 And the current is Thirst Trap, Pete Hegseth.

00:00:43.440 Yes, I refer to him that way because, well, I will show you why in one minute this is what they're calling him online.

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00:00:56.840 Or will Dark Horse, Governor Ron DeSantis and his Navy whites, ride in from the sunset and declare himself the victor?

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00:02:55.240 It should be very easy, I think, to say not guilty, but they're having trouble, and we'll give you the specifics in one second.

00:03:02.220 We're going to start with Pete Hegseth.

00:03:04.420 This morning, Trump tweeted out or truthed out support, support for Pete, making clear he does stand by him.

00:03:11.580 That was very good news for Pete, saying,

00:03:13.840 Pete Hegseth is doing very well.

00:03:15.840 His support is strong and deep, much more so than the fake news would have you believe.

00:03:19.960 He was a great student, Princeton-Harvard educated, with a military state of mind.

00:03:23.880 He will be a fantastic, high-energy Secretary of Defense, one who leads with charisma and skill.

00:03:29.340 Pete is a winner, and there is nothing that can be done to change that.

00:03:34.240 So that's the best thing that's happened to Pete in a while.

00:03:37.720 He posted it this morning at 8 a.m.

00:03:40.000 And my information continues to be that Pete's got still an uphill battle in the Senate because there's probably no way Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska will vote for Pete.

00:03:55.460 And that Mitch McConnell hates Trump and is ready to vote no on anybody who's controversial.

00:04:01.800 That could include Pete, probably will include Pete.

00:04:05.160 And then there's Joni Ernst of Iowa, Red State, who says she hasn't made up her mind.

00:04:11.840 She's not yet a no.

00:04:12.840 But, I mean, I know her a bit, and she's got a whole career of caring about sexual assault in the military and trying to clean that up.

00:04:22.000 And she herself is a service member.

00:04:23.900 And this is something she's been priding herself on as a U.S. senator.

00:04:27.640 And this is her committee, the Senate Armed Services Committee.

00:04:30.600 So it's her bailiwick.

00:04:32.540 And I don't think she's in love with Pete Hegseth, and I think she actually could be a no, notwithstanding the pressure I'm sure she's getting.

00:04:41.200 She hasn't said no yet, but that would do it.

00:04:43.860 That would kill the nomination.

00:04:46.420 Having said that, there is a groundswell of support for Pete happening right now amongst the troops, which is going to be very hard for any one of those four to resist if it gets loud enough.

00:04:58.820 What do you make of it?

00:04:59.380 I agree completely, and I think, well, there are two things.

00:05:03.500 I was listening to you yesterday, and your point about if Pete Hegseth is the next sacrificial lamb, what will happen when RFK Jr.'s turn comes up, right?

00:05:14.900 Oh, boy.

00:05:15.800 Right?

00:05:16.660 Secondly, the way the mainstream media has been reporting upon this allegation of sexual assault is disgusting.

00:05:25.920 I listened to you take it apart.

00:05:27.780 I, too, had read that thing front to back.

00:05:30.380 I love things on paper.

00:05:31.920 Yeah.

00:05:32.080 Police reports, depositions, the color and the detail you get is so vital.

00:05:38.140 And what struck me so much about that, that claim by that woman, was she sort of was protesting a little bit too much in her text messages.

00:05:48.240 Oh, Pete Hegseth, do you know who this guy is?

00:05:50.700 I don't know who he is.

00:05:52.000 All the women here are going crazy over him.

00:05:54.000 Oh, he's on Fox News, Fox News.

00:05:56.360 Like, okay, a little bit of fame.

00:05:57.820 She's inserting herself into his attempts to come on to this other woman who wants nothing to do with him.

00:06:05.640 And she's sort of triangulating and trying to become the woman who he selects to go home with.

00:06:11.680 She inserts herself so much that she, he says, she wound up in my hotel room.

00:06:17.360 I mean, there she was.

00:06:18.720 And I think the detail that really stuck out for me, and I think what, aside from trying to cover this up from her husband down the hall with the kids,

00:06:27.220 after the interlude takes place and Pete completes the act on her stomach, this is graphic, but this is what it is.

00:06:41.880 This is where we're at.

00:06:43.340 He grabs a towel and he tosses it to her and says, you can clean that up.

00:06:47.080 And that, I think, was the insult that broke her.

00:06:50.920 I think that broke her.

00:06:52.040 I think that was like, oh, oh, I was just used.

00:06:55.320 I was just, I was just a warm body.

00:06:57.760 I was the one left at the end of the night.

00:06:59.920 That whole thing front to back stinks to high heaven.

00:07:03.340 Hello.

00:07:04.060 When he didn't flirt with you the whole night, when you thought it was in your purview to lecture him on how he treats women.

00:07:11.880 100%.

00:07:12.360 She's his handler.

00:07:13.480 Right.

00:07:13.780 Getting him back to his hotel room at 1.30.

00:07:16.180 When you go into his room on your own and have sex with a man who is a stranger to you, expect no better.

00:07:23.480 Exactly.

00:07:23.920 Expect no better.

00:07:25.560 And that applies to her and all women.

00:07:27.500 It's not that other women haven't made the same mistake and been treated just as, you know, with the equal amount of disregard.

00:07:33.860 But I guess people have to learn this like firsthand because honestly, you're really not asking, you're not demanding to be treated any better if you agree to go into somebody's bed like that.

00:07:45.000 A hundred percent.

00:07:45.980 One hundred percent.

00:07:46.700 And so this rape allegation and that he paid her money to go away, which, you know, the whole thing is just it's so dispiriting because I do wish we had better choices.

00:07:57.880 You know, it seems that positions like this, positions of extreme power, do they tend to attract a certain kind of male who is a bit reckless in their personal life?

00:08:09.220 Who has an ego that needs to be fed to this degree?

00:08:12.460 I think it's a different thing.

00:08:14.320 I think it's that right now under Trump, we have a few, you know, nominees with questionable pasts.

00:08:21.800 And, and with Pete, I will limit my remarks to just the stuff that he's admitted, you know, cheating on all three of your wives is not a badge of honor.

00:08:30.480 But I think that there is something about people who are attracted to Trump and to MAGA that is admirable.

00:08:38.940 That's we like it, but it may come with some scars on the guys and the gals where you're ready to fight.

00:08:46.260 You will fight convention.

00:08:47.660 You will middle finger, even the, the Pentagon brass, like F you, I'm not going by your rules anymore.

00:08:54.400 And it does require sort of a rebellious streak, which isn't developed overnight, you know?

00:08:59.640 And so it can come with some bumps and bruises that you wouldn't see on your typical sec def nominee, but net net could be a benefit to your performance in the job.

00:09:11.140 We're just not used to this.

00:09:12.360 We don't usually nominate candidates with those kinds of scars.

00:09:17.140 Usually they've been deal breakers right from the get go.

00:09:19.820 But after we put a commander in chief in place who cheated on three wives, we're like, you just kind of have to reevaluate whether you're going to continue making these the standards.

00:09:29.740 Because I guarantee you, um, Mark Milley probably has an impeccable past when it comes to wives and when I, like he probably does.

00:09:38.280 We don't care.

00:09:39.220 We're so over him.

00:09:40.160 It's so true.

00:09:41.000 You know, the whole, so remember David Petraeus pushed out over that Rolling Stone expose because he cheated on his wife.

00:09:48.180 Yeah.

00:09:48.580 With his biographer.

00:09:49.600 With his biographer who he called a mentee.

00:09:51.440 And like the thing that, that I take away is I hate the fact that mentee is in the lexicon.

00:09:55.460 Now it's the proper word is protege and everyone's has mentee, but regardless, Petraeus was like a five-star general and he was the one everybody thought was going to crack Iraq and Afghanistan.

00:10:08.500 And he, he had to be thrown on the pyre because he cheated on his wife, you know?

00:10:12.960 So listen, I agree.

00:10:14.660 We were so cute back then.

00:10:15.640 I know.

00:10:16.220 Were we adorable?

00:10:17.160 Yeah, we were adorable.

00:10:18.980 It, it's, yes, I don't think that we should be holding, um, whether someone cheats on their spouse as a, as a marker of, are they a great leader?

00:10:29.640 Yeah.

00:10:29.800 More presidents than not have cheated on their spouses.

00:10:32.980 Yes.

00:10:33.180 FDR cheated on his wife.

00:10:35.240 Yes.

00:10:35.540 You know, so, but I do think it's the, it's the, it's the trail of just sexual predation that sticks with some of these guys.

00:10:46.760 I don't think that Pete Hegseth is in that realm.

00:10:50.360 Um, I do wish, I think he's done a great job fighting back this week.

00:10:54.540 I kind of wish he would dial back the Jesus Christ stuff.

00:10:58.220 Why?

00:10:58.740 I do.

00:10:59.060 I think it's trying too hard.

00:11:01.200 I think it's, it's smacks of trying too hard.

00:11:03.760 Does it not strike you as authentic?

00:11:05.820 Not really.

00:11:06.620 Oh, fascinating.

00:11:07.260 I think, I think he, he believes it, but I think, you know, what would your mother say if you brought a guy like that home?

00:11:14.680 She'd be like, a leopard doesn't change its spots.

00:11:16.260 My mom would be like, he's gorgeous.

00:11:18.020 Well, he's gorgeous.

00:11:18.980 He is.

00:11:19.580 He's a really good looking guy.

00:11:21.080 And Timothy Olyphant should play him in the made for TV movie when this is all wrapped up.

00:11:26.160 But.

00:11:26.500 No, but if I think about like, would I want my daughter marrying a man who had cheated on all three of his wives and she was maybe number fourth?

00:11:33.260 No, the answer would be hard.

00:11:34.400 No, hard.

00:11:35.140 No.

00:11:36.240 So it's what I don't even, I lost my train of thought.

00:11:39.480 You're just saying like, it's hard because you're it's, it's not like you would necessarily bounce him because of the infidelities.

00:11:45.020 The Jesus stuff.

00:11:46.040 Oh, okay.

00:11:46.560 So what I think what's striking me strange about that is I would, I think a middle lane approach would be more, would seem more authentic, which is I made some mistakes.

00:11:57.740 I really did.

00:11:59.100 I have been working hard.

00:12:00.760 I believe I have become a better man, a better father, a better husband.

00:12:05.760 No one is perfect.

00:12:07.480 Please.

00:12:08.240 You cannot beat me up more than I've beaten myself up.

00:12:10.900 Something like that, you know, but like a sudden rightward turn.

00:12:14.340 But I think it's genuine because I mean, I know what you're saying.

00:12:18.620 I haven't heard Pete do a lot of Jesus talk.

00:12:21.100 So that was new to me too, to hear him talk like that.

00:12:23.780 But I think what happened was he cheated on wife number two with Jen Roche, the former Fox and Friends producer.

00:12:31.960 He impregnated his affair partner.

00:12:34.440 The second wife divorced him as soon as Jen gave birth to the baby.

00:12:38.900 Jen also had, I think, three kids from her.

00:12:41.060 She was cheating as well.

00:12:42.040 And that can be a catastrophic moment in somebody's.

00:12:46.380 I mean, no question that was traumatic on all parties involved.

00:12:49.240 And I think that kind of thing can lead to some reflection.

00:12:52.600 Like, and then the mother's email, which was a good email.

00:12:55.780 I mean, I feel like the mom is a good mom.

00:12:57.600 Like, get your ass in shape.

00:12:59.660 I'm ashamed of you.

00:13:00.860 That, that's good.

00:13:02.060 That's good parenting.

00:13:03.400 Ideally, it happens early in one's life, earlier than it did with Pete.

00:13:06.880 But I really believe that it could have knocked him straight.

00:13:11.480 And that's when he joined this church.

00:13:13.840 And that's when he wound up getting the tattoos.

00:13:17.300 Like, you're not going to tattoo your body like that if you're not actually feeling faithful and connected.

00:13:22.300 So I think there is some evidence that it's legit.

00:13:26.420 And I don't know Pete to be a liar, nor have I seen a past that suggests, of course, while he was cheating, he's lying.

00:13:33.220 But I just mean outside of that context, there's no evidence that he's led a life of deceit outside of this strain of being a womanizer.

00:13:42.280 Yeah, I think it might just be a personal thing with me.

00:13:46.460 I have found, you know, I'm the product of like 12 years of Catholic school.

00:13:49.960 And I have found the more that people invoke Christ, you know, vocally and often as their personal savior, like, it's usually indicative of something else going on.

00:14:02.640 It's there, there, they can be like the least Christian.

00:14:05.560 Exactly. Like the spy, the lie thing.

00:14:07.160 They can be the least Christian people and the most rigid and the most ununderstanding of gray areas.

00:14:13.980 And so that's where for me, I kind of feel like it's maybe he doesn't intend it this way.

00:14:19.620 Certainly give him the benefit of the doubt that it's genuine, but it can feel a bit like shorthand.

00:14:25.460 Like, trust me now.

00:14:27.240 I have religion. I found faith. Trust me now.

00:14:29.580 So you're like, whether it's genuine or not, stop mentioning it because it's like, don't use the Lord's name in this context as you're like witness of your character change.

00:14:38.280 It seems like too much. You're coming on too strong.

00:14:40.300 It's a little strong. Yeah.

00:14:41.640 Well, it seems to be working a little because Trump is, you know, this tweet, this truth social that he posted, he wouldn't have done that if he thought Pete was dead in the water.

00:14:50.800 And, you know, the confirmation hearings have not yet started right now.

00:14:53.640 It's not looking like they necessarily will pull Pete before we get there.

00:14:56.940 Right. I'm also hearing that the Ron DeSantis rumors are not necessarily real, that there's no goodwill between Trump and DeSantis, though they are now reportedly going to the Army Navy game together.

00:15:11.160 I don't know when that is this week or next week.

00:15:14.240 And but there's rumors that the DeSantis team, they're the ones behind pushing his name and that Trump may be playing with him, but he's not actually going to give him a post like that.

00:15:25.320 That is so funny. And, you know, Susie Wiles, who's Trump's chief of staff, hates Ron DeSantis.

00:15:30.400 Oh, well, she worked for him and it ended badly.

00:15:33.740 So that's another piece of palace intrigue.

00:15:35.560 And then let me give you another piece of reporting that I can give you here.

00:15:39.780 OK, I want to make sure I get it correct.

00:15:42.220 There is the non-disclosure agreement between Pete and the accuser in that alleged rape case out of Monterey, California.

00:15:57.040 And so she came back a couple of years after the alleged after the the incident, which was in 17 and in 2020.

00:16:04.400 I think they said it was 2020.

00:16:06.020 She wanted money to stay silent and he paid it.

00:16:09.240 We don't know what the number was, but he paid it and they and she was required to stay silent about what happened between the two of them.

00:16:18.260 Well, now we see somebody leaked a memo to the Trump transition team saying this is everything that happened.

00:16:26.280 Pete's a rapist. Right.

00:16:27.360 So somebody violated the non-disclosure and it wasn't Pete.

00:16:30.880 Right.

00:16:31.380 So this woman violated it or someone around her violated it.

00:16:34.180 And my experience with these kinds of confidentiality agreements, typically they would encompass anyone you told you will be quiet and anybody you told must be quiet or you will pay the penalty.

00:16:44.480 So it's not going to save her if a friend wrote the memo.

00:16:48.800 And by the way, no friend would write the memo to the transition team without getting the accusers.

00:16:53.740 OK, they wouldn't jeopardize this woman's money or putting her into the spotlight.

00:16:59.080 Like, there's no way this woman did not approve the memo to the Trump transit, which is a breach of the non-disclosure.

00:17:04.800 Right. If this is actually how it went down.

00:17:06.920 So what's happened now, we talked about this yesterday.

00:17:10.440 More and more, you have people like Jake Tapper.

00:17:12.300 He was on the air at CNN asking our Senator Rick Scott, should Pete authorize the woman to break the non-disclosure?

00:17:18.420 You know, you're so upset.

00:17:19.220 These are all anonymous accusers in the press.

00:17:21.640 Shouldn't he let her come out and talk, which is just such bullshit.

00:17:24.160 You're putting these guys in an impossible position.

00:17:26.060 They get accused of something they say they didn't do.

00:17:27.840 They pay the woman to make her go away so they can keep their Fox News job.

00:17:31.760 Then the woman violates the NDA for to try to tank his chances at secretary as defense secretary.

00:17:37.600 Then then the response is, well, if you didn't do anything, you should release her from the obligation.

00:17:42.260 Like what?

00:17:43.540 So anyway, but an interesting turn last night where his lawyer, Tim Parlatore, went on CNN and suggested that she already is released.

00:17:53.780 She already is released from the non-disclosure and she can tell her story.

00:17:59.140 So I reached out to Tim Parlatore myself today and here is what he said.

00:18:06.400 This is on the record.

00:18:07.700 As the settlement agreement has been breached, meaning by this memo to Trump transition team, she is not entitled to any further payment and is at a minimum liable for the return of the payment made plus liquidated damages.

00:18:23.320 If she chooses to publicly repeat her false claims, there will be an additional cause of action for defamation as well as for the underlying civil extortion.

00:18:33.840 Good, good.

00:18:35.080 I like this a lot.

00:18:36.120 You know why?

00:18:36.920 Because false claims like this set back every true legitimate claim against especially a powerful rich man.

00:18:44.640 And she is doing no favors to her sisterhood, none.

00:18:49.520 And I was thinking the same thing, like this woman isn't playing chess.

00:18:53.720 What is she thinking?

00:18:54.900 I don't know.

00:18:55.280 Her story is not going to hold up.

00:18:57.700 It is not.

00:18:58.940 So she is risking, I mean, people know who she is already.

00:19:03.100 She is risking her name being public, her likeness being public, her children being exposed to this, her marriage, which survived this so far, her professional reputation.

00:19:15.440 What is she thinking?

00:19:16.560 I'm glad that they're like putting the screws to this one.

00:19:19.320 I really am.

00:19:20.200 This is really what they should have done when she came back asking for money.

00:19:22.860 But he was worried about his job.

00:19:24.120 I understand that.

00:19:25.140 Understandable.

00:19:25.860 Especially Fox News post Me Too, post Roger Ailes.

00:19:28.940 I'm sure Pete did not want somebody saying he raped me.

00:19:32.420 I mean, that would be worth some sort of settlement just to make her go away from somebody who's probably earning millions at Fox.

00:19:39.160 This puts a guy like Pete in a very uncomfortable situation.

00:19:42.620 I don't know what men out there would do if this happened to them.

00:19:45.740 But if making her go away quietly is an option, you'd probably take it.

00:19:51.220 Because at a minimum, you know that this interlude with this woman was behind the back of your soon-to-be third wife.

00:19:58.380 And that you are a womanizer, at least at that point or prior to, shortly prior to.

00:20:03.960 So none of that's good.

00:20:05.520 That's worth paying some money to make her be quiet.

00:20:08.780 But what's interesting about this statement is it says she's not entitled to any further payment.

00:20:14.380 So he must still be making.

00:20:16.600 Oh, these sound like monthlies.

00:20:17.900 Right?

00:20:18.280 Yeah.

00:20:18.520 He must still be making payments.

00:20:20.040 So this woman does have some financial skin in the game right now.

00:20:23.940 And she's liable for the return of the payment made, plus liquidated damages, which would be a lot.

00:20:29.100 And then a threat of, if you go and you sit and you say something, if I see you on CNN, in other words, repeating these claims, you're going to be sued for defamation as well as for the underlying.

00:20:42.340 We'll revive what we let go, which was a civil extortion claim against you.

00:20:47.540 But now the question is, will she try to pull a Christine Blasey Ford at the confirmation hearing?

00:20:54.580 Tearful.

00:20:55.660 You know, I remember, you know, him getting on top of me and the trauma and try to submit some psychologist, you know, assessment of her.

00:21:06.100 Who knows what she's got?

00:21:07.320 What we've got is the police report from the first six days, and it does not reflect well on her.

00:21:12.420 But this whole thing could spin into just a, you know, just a public debacle where we'd have to play our music again, you know?

00:21:22.180 Look, it won't be great for Trump or Pete, but Trump stood by Kavanaugh.

00:21:26.660 And I don't think it could get bigger than that one was.

00:21:28.860 True.

00:21:28.980 And I was surprised he stood by Kavanaugh.

00:21:30.800 I really was.

00:21:31.660 The thing, too, about him opting to make those payments, I think people need to remember back in 2017 what the climate was like.

00:21:40.620 All you had to do was raise an eyebrow in the direction of a man you call problematic, and he's out.

00:21:47.160 He's too much of a liability.

00:21:48.860 Remember how many men got flushed out of media?

00:21:51.040 Yeah.

00:21:51.280 Remember the shitty men in media list that was circulated?

00:21:54.300 That was just some random woman behind a computer screen who named all of these men without any evidence whatsoever that they did what she claimed.

00:22:05.180 And it went around, and it was taken as gospel in media circles.

00:22:08.440 I mean, these are people's lives and reputations.

00:22:11.400 So I think that their pushback with the money is the real thing.

00:22:17.680 Because now she's going to be thinking, well, what am I going to do?

00:22:21.320 Am I going to lose my home?

00:22:22.960 Am I going to lose everything over this?

00:22:24.880 And if she comes out, Maureen, like right now, she's behind the cloak of anonymity.

00:22:30.040 No one's printing her name.

00:22:32.360 She's not being dragged the way Pete's being dragged.

00:22:35.020 I mean, you see, like, go Google Pete and look at the mainstream coverage of Pete.

00:22:38.380 They basically refer to him as a rapist.

00:22:40.420 Pretty much.

00:22:40.980 Rapist Pete headset, which is such a smear.

00:22:44.000 I would sue all of them for defamation if I were Pete.

00:22:46.360 I mean, some are not even putting the words alleged in there.

00:22:50.960 And so she's still behind the cloak.

00:22:53.500 But if she gives an interview, I'm not talking about inside the Senate on the confirmation hearing.

00:22:59.660 Like, she won't be sued for defamation for that.

00:23:01.720 But if she gives an interview outside of that setting, she's now fair game.

00:23:07.660 Like, now we have an obligation.

00:23:09.160 Everybody knows her name.

00:23:10.080 They have an obligation to look into her past.

00:23:11.860 What do we know about her?

00:23:12.940 What other men are there who might say, oh, that's the one who might say, holy crap.

00:23:19.920 Let me tell you what she did to me.

00:23:21.240 Let me tell you what I know about her.

00:23:23.200 Look, it's not pleasant, but that's what this woman's got to be considering right now.

00:23:28.200 Yeah.

00:23:28.340 And I mean, just the level of inconsistencies in her self-report to the police saying that she had been drugged when she's seen by multiple people and on surveillance camera walking upright.

00:23:40.920 She's not altered in any way whatsoever.

00:23:43.200 I mean, again, like, I really, I loathe when women come forward with what are clearly false accusations.

00:23:52.000 It is so damaging, not just to the people that you're falsely accusing.

00:23:55.600 It's damaging to a larger culture that has just begun to understand how complicated and unusually victims of sexual assault can behave in the aftermath.

00:24:08.580 We came so far with Harvey Weinstein.

00:24:10.580 We really did.

00:24:11.620 This kind of stuff puts us back.

00:24:14.000 It's dangerous.

00:24:15.200 One of my viewers pointed this out, and I haven't been able to get past the point.

00:24:17.920 It's such a good point.

00:24:18.640 By the way, if you have a good point, you can email me, Megan at MeganKelley.com.

00:24:24.560 Why didn't she go to get the sexual assault exam until Thursday if the alleged rape happened overnight Saturday to Sunday?

00:24:31.620 And, you know, according to the police report, she remembered the rape on Monday morning while having sex with what we believe was her husband.

00:24:39.400 So why wait until Thursday for a sexual assault exam?

00:24:43.120 One of the audience members pointed out, and this was a sexual assault nurse.

00:24:47.460 Okay.

00:24:47.720 You know, one of the ones who does exams, that if you wait that long, there would be no trace of date rape drug in your system.

00:24:56.620 So it would not be suspicious to anybody taking your blood or, you know, that no date rape drug was found.

00:25:05.160 It's been too long.

00:25:06.680 So the fact that there's nothing in you doesn't suggest it wasn't given to you because it's been too many days.

00:25:12.060 But if you get that blood test the day after, on Monday, after the alleged, you know, Saturday to Sunday rape, they'd find it if it had been given to you.

00:25:21.120 So she couldn't go in.

00:25:22.860 She couldn't go in on Sunday or Monday or Tuesday or Wednesday.

00:25:26.460 She had to wait until she knew if she had been given it, it would be out of her system.

00:25:32.640 And no one would find it suspicious that she gave a clean blood test or a clean urine test or was just saying to the to the nurse.

00:25:39.660 Oh, but gee, five days have passed.

00:25:42.160 And then the nurse would say, oh, well, it won't be there.

00:25:45.320 So let's not bother.

00:25:47.660 It's so cynical.

00:25:48.720 I find the timing so strange.

00:25:50.420 Like something happened during the having sex with her husband, like the husband was on her.

00:25:58.900 You know, it.

00:25:59.680 Yes, you know it.

00:26:01.000 And her story was falling apart.

00:26:04.060 And in order to make it make sense, she had to accuse him of raping her.

00:26:09.740 She had to accuse him of drugging her, of being a passive victim of this hot, famous dude.

00:26:17.100 She was following around all night like a puppy dog.

00:26:20.220 OK.

00:26:20.920 Yeah.

00:26:21.420 And she was not the one he put his whose leg he touched, his arm he touched.

00:26:26.740 She was witnessing it all.

00:26:28.560 And she was probably very envious.

00:26:31.580 Pete's a very good looking guy.

00:26:33.140 He's a star.

00:26:34.440 He's a millionaire.

00:26:35.980 And, you know, obviously, he's got no trouble getting women.

00:26:38.480 But she was not the object of his desire.

00:26:41.240 She just happened to be the last woman around at two in the morning when they got back to his hotel room.

00:26:46.620 She was seen perfectly fine at one thirty.

00:26:48.760 She was seen perfectly fine at four a.m.

00:26:50.820 There was no time for any drugging or its effect to take place.

00:26:55.820 And that's just the bottom line on her.

00:26:58.360 Now we get things like this.

00:26:59.840 OK, so they recognize that Pete's not dead yet.

00:27:04.260 Right.

00:27:04.560 The mainstream media.

00:27:05.460 And they want Pete to be dead.

00:27:07.240 So we're starting to get a lot of fun things.

00:27:10.680 I mean, they're just ridiculous, but they're kind of fun.

00:27:12.500 Washington Post.

00:27:14.800 Maybe we should take a shot at his bronze stars.

00:27:18.380 Oh, yes.

00:27:19.540 Oh, yes.

00:27:21.040 OK.

00:27:22.620 Bronze stars like those Hegseth earned are common among military officers.

00:27:29.520 It's like who doesn't have one?

00:27:31.560 Military experts say there's a mistaken belief among much of the American public that the bronze star is a rarefied award exclusively for battlefield heroics,

00:27:39.520 which has distorted and inflated its significance in many cases.

00:27:43.360 The U.S. military issues two versions of the award, one with a V device denoting valor in combat,

00:27:48.600 the other for commendable job performance or deployments or meritorious service in the military parlance.

00:27:54.140 The bronze stars listed in Hegseth's official records fall into the latter category.

00:27:58.820 According to his official records, such awards were issued somewhat liberally throughout the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

00:28:03.920 Experts say awardees of the meritorious service medal are predominantly military officers like Hegseth.

00:28:09.780 Data provided by the military shows while many officers have risked their lives on the battlefield.

00:28:14.640 The majority of fighting and exposure to danger is performed by the enlisted troops they command.

00:28:20.440 Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:28:22.080 Going on to shit all over his bronze star and tell us that we shouldn't admire him for his service or his commendations.

00:28:30.680 Doubtless written by some Ivy League grad with soft hands who has never seen anything resembling combat, let alone military service.

00:28:41.540 Okay, sure.

00:28:42.320 That's disgusting.

00:28:43.700 And the one thing I'll say about Pete Hegseth, too, is that, you know, I read the op-ed that he wrote in his defense in the journal the other day,

00:28:51.800 and I thought it was really good.

00:28:53.000 He talks about being an advocate for his fellow service members who, when you get home and you try going through a VA system, it is a nightmare.

00:29:04.820 He doesn't ever brag about his exploits.

00:29:09.240 I don't know what he did or didn't do.

00:29:11.420 I don't really know what he saw or didn't see, which says to me he saw a lot.

00:29:16.360 That's absolutely right.

00:29:17.060 And that's honestly why he says he was drinking.

00:29:20.460 And that's not unusual.

00:29:22.320 Completely understandable.

00:29:23.400 Dakota Meyer was on this show telling me he was drunk as he was awarded the Medal of Honor by Barack Obama.

00:29:30.720 I believe it.

00:29:31.420 That he was completely hammered in the moment.

00:29:34.360 These guys go through a lot.

00:29:36.860 And I honestly, I feel like who are we to judge if they want to drown their sorrows in the bottom of a beer bottle for a while?

00:29:42.280 He is not doing that now.

00:29:44.120 And there's not even an accusation.

00:29:45.820 It's just more like, oh, well, I smelled whiskey on him one time on Fox News set by some anonymous person.

00:29:51.140 Well, who?

00:29:51.500 Because all the Fox and Friends anchors that he did the news with say that's a load of crap.

00:29:56.160 That didn't happen.

00:29:57.800 But wait, as you mentioned Pete's service, I'm like, what did he do?

00:30:02.320 So he volunteered to go to Gitmo, which he did.

00:30:05.160 He volunteered to go to Iraq, which he did.

00:30:07.200 He volunteered to go to Afghanistan, which he did.

00:30:08.720 And the New York Times, The Daily Podcast, did an in-depth look at some of that military service.

00:30:15.760 And this is how they described Pete.

00:30:18.180 I think this is his Iraq service.

00:30:20.100 Take a listen.

00:30:20.860 He volunteers and he joins the 101st Airborne Division as a infantry platoon leader.

00:30:28.100 And he goes to Iraq.

00:30:29.260 The infantry troops that are on the ground, like him, they're supposed to fix it.

00:30:34.780 And he realizes how difficult that's going to be because he's getting some very conflicting instructions.

00:30:42.460 So lawyers in the army who are giving a briefing to him and all the soldiers that he's arriving with tell him essentially,

00:30:49.740 hey, look, the rules are very strict.

00:30:53.400 You cannot fire on an Iraqi, even if you see them with a rocket launcher, unless that rocket launcher is actually pointed at you.

00:31:02.240 On the other side is some of the leadership in his brigade, combat commanders who are saying,

00:31:07.940 you should expect to fire on pretty much any military-age male, and you don't even need to give warning shots.

00:31:14.680 He's like, okay, we're just going to be really careful.

00:31:17.000 We don't want to shoot anyone we don't need to because that's just going to make us so many more enemies in a war that we're trying to end.

00:31:24.560 And so not only did he tell his soldiers, hey, we're not going to shoot unless we're sure,

00:31:29.900 but he volunteered to be the first one through the door on raids they would go on

00:31:33.800 because he didn't want to put that really difficult decision in the hands of some 21, 22-year-old soldier who might make a rash decision.

00:31:42.920 And people who served with him that I interviewed say he was flawless, careful, cared about what he did, and his soldiers loved him for it.

00:31:52.060 I heard that episode of The Daily.

00:31:56.520 I don't listen often, but I listened to that one, and that shocked me.

00:32:01.520 I was like, okay, this is a corporate media that's trying to right itself post-election

00:32:08.780 because everybody sees what's going on over at MSNBC.

00:32:12.980 I don't even think Joe and Mika were on this morning.

00:32:15.040 I didn't see them.

00:32:15.860 After they lashed out at all their Democratic friends like David Frum and George Conway, suddenly they were gone.

00:32:22.680 Mm-hmm.

00:32:24.300 And I'm listening to this with, like, my jaw open.

00:32:28.340 Like, oh, my God.

00:32:29.960 They're giving a sympathetic take on a guy who served in combat who got two distinctly different orders from higher-ups.

00:32:40.800 Shoot to kill, let them go.

00:32:43.040 No matter what kind of threat you think they pose, and who put himself in harm's way to protect his younger service members

00:32:51.700 who were about to ruin their lives if they made the wrong move while fighting to stay alive.

00:32:57.540 That is a guy to laud.

00:33:00.280 And I wonder where the rest of the media is in not following The Daily's example.

00:33:05.820 Yeah.

00:33:06.280 Like the Washington Post.

00:33:07.700 Instead of shitting on his bronze medals, why don't we talk about that, Washington Post?

00:33:12.080 Just follow your New York Times.

00:33:13.520 And honestly, I hope that Joni Ernst and Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski and Mitch McConnell will listen to that story.

00:33:20.780 We don't give a shit about his marital issues.

00:33:23.920 We don't.

00:33:24.680 That is for Pete and his wives to deal with, and they have.

00:33:28.640 I care about that.

00:33:30.360 I'm sure the enlisted guys care about that.

00:33:33.280 But I don't, like, it's the media that is like, look over here are these delicious bones for you to chew on.

00:33:40.080 And all these left-wing reporters and left-leaning senators are like, oh, yeah, I want to chew on the bone.

00:33:48.720 The bone feels good.

00:33:49.840 It makes me feel morally superior.

00:33:51.600 It makes me feel like a better person.

00:33:52.920 Like, I'm a protector.

00:33:54.100 I'm not going to be a protector of what, Pete's third wife?

00:33:56.660 She doesn't need your protection.

00:33:57.800 She's good.

00:33:58.640 Right?

00:33:58.840 It's just amazing how they're going to town on this guy.

00:34:01.800 Like, absolute freaking town.

00:34:04.380 And we are hearing crickets about Hunter Biden.

00:34:09.480 Yeah.

00:34:09.960 It's just like, oh, of course.

00:34:12.300 His dad, you know, I was watching.

00:34:14.440 I do this to myself.

00:34:15.500 I'm a masochist, Megan.

00:34:16.720 I don't know why.

00:34:17.680 I was listening.

00:34:18.440 I had the view on the other morning.

00:34:20.000 Yeah.

00:34:20.200 Well, sometimes it's fun.

00:34:21.540 Sometimes it is fun.

00:34:22.800 And they, so whoopie, Charlamagne the God was on.

00:34:25.180 Yep.

00:34:25.380 And he was talking, as he often does, actual common sense.

00:34:29.220 And he was saying, this pardon stinks to high heaven.

00:34:32.240 The average person charged with half of these crimes would find themselves behind bars.

00:34:36.440 Let's get real.

00:34:37.600 And whoopie got in, like, high dungeon.

00:34:40.020 And she was like, you know, when she gets into her sort of like, I'm a sage, elderly black woman.

00:34:44.360 I'm going to lay it down.

00:34:46.200 And so she's like, he just happened to change his mind.

00:34:49.960 This is what happened.

00:34:50.540 And I know this for a fact.

00:34:51.540 Do you know this for a fact?

00:34:52.620 Do you read?

00:34:53.660 Really?

00:34:53.840 Do you read or do you just rely on those blue cards those producers give you?

00:34:58.520 Because NBC News reported two people in the room with Biden when Hunter was convicted back

00:35:04.020 in June, said that Biden said, I'm going to tell the American people I never will, but

00:35:09.200 I'm going to do it.

00:35:10.320 Yeah.

00:35:10.560 That is a lie.

00:35:12.120 Right.

00:35:12.640 No, she doesn't read.

00:35:13.620 I mean, that's like her co-host Anna Navarro was just tweeting out that Woodrow Wilson

00:35:16.980 pardoned.

00:35:18.480 I heard that.

00:35:19.100 It's relative Hunter to butts.

00:35:20.860 Who was the other one?

00:35:25.220 Mike, Mike, Mike Hunt, Seymour butts.

00:35:29.040 Yes.

00:35:29.300 Yes.

00:35:29.540 They were all on the list.

00:35:30.460 They're calling Moe's bar over at the Simpsons, like asking for Seymour butts.

00:35:34.120 Yeah.

00:35:34.700 This is the brain trust at the view.

00:35:36.540 Very, very little known relatives of, of our best presidents who got, who got pardoned.

00:35:41.940 Um, I want to tell you that the guy who wrote the piece in WAPO, according to my crack team

00:35:47.460 does have military experience and went to Georgetown.

00:35:50.080 So, uh, apparently he just likes to unleash these ditties on Republican candidates because

00:35:55.200 he should know better.

00:35:56.220 He should know better.

00:35:57.020 Agreed.

00:35:57.560 Um, all right, here's the other thing against Pete.

00:36:00.420 Okay.

00:36:00.940 Two things.

00:36:01.620 First of all, WAPO again, hitting him for his, his history with alcohol, which shadows

00:36:08.120 the Pentagon selection.

00:36:09.660 Okay.

00:36:10.060 Hegseth's history with alcohol shadows Pentagon selection.

00:36:12.960 Okay.

00:36:13.120 Now what did he do?

00:36:14.060 At Fox news, he had a reputation as a heavy drinker.

00:36:16.560 According to six former Fox news employees, who, who are they?

00:36:21.260 I know them all.

00:36:22.360 Tell me the names and I will tell you whether these are credible witnesses.

00:36:24.940 I guarantee you Gretchen Carlson is running around being like, he was a boozer Gretchen

00:36:29.800 who's fired, who nobody likes.

00:36:31.880 Um, okay.

00:36:33.020 So let's see.

00:36:33.900 Um, they work directly with him.

00:36:36.560 They saw him drinking.

00:36:37.320 I mean, all the Fox and friends anchors present day have said it is bullshit that we've worked

00:36:42.180 with them for 10 years up close at all hours.

00:36:45.060 Uh, and then this is their example.

00:36:47.120 Several, several years ago, several during a St. Patrick's day segment on Fox and friends

00:36:54.680 weekend support staff at the cable news network, set up a display of beers, Maureen for a holiday

00:37:00.280 segment on the show.

00:37:01.720 After the segment aired, Hegseth walked by the display table and drink each beer.

00:37:08.900 According to two former colleagues who witnessed the incident and spoke on the condition of

00:37:12.240 anonymity to discuss sensitive, a sensitive episode.

00:37:15.520 It was, was it really?

00:37:16.900 The incident struck the colleagues as jarring for two reasons.

00:37:19.760 One, the display drinks had been sitting out for hours and were stale and warm.

00:37:23.320 Oh, that's the real crime.

00:37:24.400 What kind of a pig is he to the show wraps up at 10 a.m., an early hour for alcohol consumption.

00:37:31.920 Uh, numerous other Fox employees have disputed that he drank excessively.

00:37:35.000 So first of all, I will just say this when you wake up at three or four in the morning,

00:37:39.500 10 a.m.

00:37:39.920 is actually not as late as like there are a fair amount.

00:37:42.380 I know I worked in morning TV, both at Fox and NBC.

00:37:45.320 See, I actually know some people who work those hours who do have their drinks very early,

00:37:51.040 but at the normal time of day, they're asleep in their beds that their weird schedule, whatever.

00:37:57.320 Okay.

00:37:57.440 But secondly, how many beers?

00:37:59.960 Because I'll tell you, when Fox and Friends would set up a, like a display like that,

00:38:03.340 there'd probably be four cases of beer.

00:38:05.400 They're not going to put out like two beers.

00:38:07.060 And there's no way Pete Hegseth walked over and drank two cases of beer.

00:38:10.880 So what are we talking?

00:38:11.960 We don't know.

00:38:12.900 It's, we're just left to think the worst.

00:38:14.880 Okay, several things to your very good point.

00:38:17.860 You will often see, especially in New York, if you're like a white collar worker going

00:38:21.860 to your job at like nine in the morning, you will see the blue collar guys who work night

00:38:27.040 shifts at the bodega getting their six pack of beer and their cigarettes because that is

00:38:32.140 their afternoon.

00:38:33.120 Yeah.

00:38:33.300 They are knocking off for the day and they are wiped out.

00:38:36.200 Number two, didn't Don Lemon and Anderson Cooper, don't they get lauded for being smashed

00:38:42.040 on air every New Year's Eve and like the liberal, oh, it's so funny.

00:38:46.220 It makes them so personable.

00:38:48.120 We'd love it.

00:38:48.880 Andy Cohen.

00:38:49.520 Andy Cohen gets shit faced and.

00:38:52.500 Oh, look, there they are doing shots.

00:38:54.140 Doing shots.

00:38:55.040 There they are.

00:38:55.920 The team was ready for this.

00:38:56.900 Yes, but that's fine.

00:38:57.720 You see, they're not going to like, that's fine because I guess they're not going to be

00:39:01.380 sex, sex deaf.

00:39:02.680 But look, if you're going to go back and look at public drunkenness as, as evidence of why

00:39:07.160 we shouldn't trust a person, then it's fair game.

00:39:09.340 Why are we trusting Anderson Cooper?

00:39:10.460 He's drunk while he's delivering the news of the night.

00:39:13.120 What if what if there's a bombing in, you know, Saudi Arabia at night?

00:39:17.100 Who's going to report on it?

00:39:18.080 Anderson's on the air.

00:39:18.980 He's boozed up.

00:39:20.240 I just just like, look, the fact that Pete may have had a beer on a St. Patrick's Day,

00:39:24.680 Fox and Friends.

00:39:25.340 This is ridiculous.

00:39:26.680 We've fallen below all standards.

00:39:29.580 Below all standards.

00:39:30.420 Also, I'm sorry.

00:39:31.700 I love the idea of fellow journalists calling out another journalist for drinking.

00:39:37.360 Like, it's one of the most hard drinking professions that exists.

00:39:40.920 There was an there was a satellite office of the New York Post, Fox News 1211 called Langans

00:39:47.440 Langans.

00:39:47.460 Langans.

00:39:48.240 Yes.

00:39:48.480 That's where everybody went and drank themselves into oblivion.

00:39:53.120 There was a famous Post columnist named Steve Dunleavy who would file his copy from the

00:39:58.660 bar.

00:39:58.980 And when he retired after being passed out to many places publicly, they etched his face

00:40:07.080 into glass at the bar like he was a religious deity.

00:40:11.960 So spare me the moral indignation that while shooting St. Patrick's Day coverage.

00:40:18.960 That your correspondent maybe took a swig of beer.

00:40:21.880 Yeah.

00:40:22.100 Stop it.

00:40:22.540 Yeah.

00:40:22.700 He had some beers.

00:40:23.720 Here's one more.

00:40:24.500 Um, someone named Denise Wheeler, who is a partner and designer at Rebel Create, a marketing

00:40:32.460 agency, decides to tweet out this image of, of, of Pete Hexeth.

00:40:38.560 And this is why I use the term thirst trap, um, because some of the people responding responded

00:40:44.640 is, uh, in that way.

00:40:46.020 And she says the following.

00:40:47.360 She did not mean it as a compliment.

00:40:48.600 She, she writes Trump's pick for secretary of defense with this picture.

00:40:52.560 Look at this of Pete.

00:40:54.380 You see him there?

00:40:55.220 Yeah.

00:40:55.480 Yeah.

00:40:56.160 And he's in like short little shorts and he's putting an American flag.

00:40:59.940 Uh, it looks like he's, he's just holding it over his shoulder as he pays homage at the

00:41:05.060 9-11 war memorial.

00:41:06.880 Uh, and she says like, this is your secretary of defense visiting the 9-11 memorial in his

00:41:13.000 underwear.

00:41:13.460 The Pentagon has nothing to worry about.

00:41:16.360 Our armed forces have longed to be led by a drunk rapist in his underwear.

00:41:21.840 You should be sued, Denise Wheeler.

00:41:23.560 I hope Tim Parla Torrey files a lawsuit against you today for calling him a drunk rapist.

00:41:29.400 I really do.

00:41:29.920 I hope you get sued today.

00:41:31.560 Um, then Jerry Dunleavy responds.

00:41:35.160 He's not in his underwear.

00:41:37.320 He is in a bathing suit.

00:41:39.160 This image is from the end of the New York City seal swim across the Hudson River.

00:41:46.380 The event raises money for the seal community, veterans, and their families.

00:41:50.640 The legs of the swim end at the World Trade Center memorial.

00:41:54.940 You absolute fucking dumbass.

00:41:57.200 I had added the last part.

00:41:59.000 There's nothing like the left continuing to not learn its lesson by taking things wholly

00:42:05.320 out of context and offering a hot take on Twitter.

00:42:09.520 That is disgusting.

00:42:11.920 Maureen, this guy was at Princeton.

00:42:15.780 9-11 happens and he volunteers to go join ROTC and fight and go down to Gitmo.

00:42:24.560 That's where he was sent.

00:42:25.200 And who, who that's at Princeton on their way toward seven figure salaries at law firms

00:42:30.880 or banks, et cetera.

00:42:31.980 I know.

00:42:32.420 Then they see the 9-11.

00:42:33.580 How dare this woman?

00:42:35.280 How dare she question his fitness, his patriotism, his appropriateness?

00:42:41.140 What kind of an idiot sees that and just assumes, oh, he just decided to go pay homage in his

00:42:46.340 underwear?

00:42:47.280 Like, she's so stupid.

00:42:48.820 An idiot that was born doubtless after September 11th, did not live through it, and has grown

00:42:54.660 up in a culture where everyone's just posting thirst traps all the time.

00:42:58.140 This is her entire frame of reference.

00:43:00.540 Could it possibly be?

00:43:01.940 He might have a good reason.

00:43:03.420 But no, we've got to assume the worst.

00:43:05.500 Why?

00:43:05.800 Because it's a Trump cabinet pick.

00:43:08.500 So I don't know.

00:43:09.260 Does he make it?

00:43:10.100 I mean, what would you say to the Joni Ernst of the world who are just cannot see him through

00:43:15.740 any lens other than serial, you know, cheater and not a great guy when it comes to his romantic

00:43:25.040 partners?

00:43:26.700 You know, they can't get past the woman thing.

00:43:28.760 I think it would be an incredibly powerful swerve for one of these female senators to

00:43:36.720 step forward and say, enough, enough with demonizing a guy like this who does want to

00:43:41.060 serve and wants to disrupt.

00:43:42.880 That's the problem.

00:43:43.980 He wants to disrupt.

00:43:45.180 I don't think the establishment wants him disrupting a goddamn thing.

00:43:48.960 Yeah, that's the real problem.

00:43:50.700 But this is we are in a new era where people want to feel like their leaders are in it for

00:43:55.900 them.

00:43:56.320 And if one of these women women stood up and said, I'm with him like these these allegations

00:44:02.020 are baseless.

00:44:03.480 This is this is nothing but a witch hunt to stop Trump from appointing those who he would

00:44:08.820 like.

00:44:09.400 I think that would be amazing.

00:44:11.540 I think but it will never happen.

00:44:13.060 I mean, Katie Britt did.

00:44:14.100 She was good on it.

00:44:14.900 Senator from Alabama.

00:44:15.700 But these are the ones who are more moderate, who are going to have names potentially stop

00:44:20.440 it.

00:44:20.880 And you know what?

00:44:21.520 The other thing is, if it's sexual assault, like I know and admire the fact that Joni Ernst

00:44:25.880 has fought to stop sexual assault in the military, which is a real problem.

00:44:29.740 She's to be credited for that, not demonized.

00:44:32.760 But that's not Pete.

00:44:34.440 He's there's one allegation of that against him.

00:44:37.160 And it's completely bullshit.

00:44:39.160 In my opinion, it looks obviously made up.

00:44:42.580 So that should not be something that concerns you about this guy.

00:44:45.960 There's nothing in his history other than this one, what looks like an apparently bogus

00:44:50.620 claim to suggest he's a sexual assaulter.

00:44:54.220 Right.

00:44:54.440 So it's like Pete absolutely can look at the men and women of the military and say, it's

00:44:59.760 a no, we're going to reform.

00:45:01.160 There's not going to be any tolerance for that.

00:45:03.020 There's really, truly no evidence that he's ever done that to anybody.

00:45:06.420 There's this one claim from a woman who's been panicked because the husband was down the

00:45:10.040 hall while she was sleeping with Pete.

00:45:11.360 Pete, I just think like that you're you're misdirecting your claims about how he is in

00:45:16.020 his personal relationships to something much more bigger and much, much more serious and

00:45:21.840 bigger.

00:45:22.420 Yeah, 100 percent.

00:45:23.300 And, you know, as we've often seen when it's a legitimate claim where one emerges, usually

00:45:29.480 another follows pretty quickly and then another and you get a sort of chorus that sort of builds

00:45:35.540 up and the accounts tend to be similar.

00:45:38.580 This is not Bill Cosby.

00:45:39.720 This is not that.

00:45:40.620 Yeah, this is not that good point.

00:45:42.800 Now, I we were talking about yesterday how the if Pete's blood is in the water, RFKJ

00:45:47.360 is going to get killed.

00:45:48.380 Yeah, he will.

00:45:49.100 Would you put some meat on that bone, please?

00:45:51.020 I would love to put some meat on that bone.

00:45:52.780 I mean, listen, I am not a fan of RFK Jr., as you well know, the way he nor really any

00:46:00.620 Kennedy.

00:46:01.920 Um, no, no.

00:46:03.360 Yeah, no.

00:46:03.860 I mean, I someday I would love to do like a five minute dive with you into Jack Schlossberg's

00:46:09.200 Instagram because I don't know if you follow him.

00:46:11.580 Caroline Kennedy.

00:46:12.660 His son.

00:46:13.660 Yeah.

00:46:14.060 Yeah.

00:46:14.520 The grandson of JFK.

00:46:16.520 Yeah.

00:46:16.820 Who was Vogue's political correspondent this election cycle, which consisted of him asking

00:46:21.140 like Doug Emhoff, does he consider ketchup like a sauce or a condiment?

00:46:25.380 Like this was the level of discourse.

00:46:26.760 I kid you not.

00:46:27.380 Um, but his RFK Jr.'s second wife, he, he really, he tormented her psychologically.

00:46:35.400 He cut her off financially.

00:46:36.860 He was parading around with Cheryl Hines.

00:46:39.620 He moved her.

00:46:41.220 He moved the two of them into a house that was like a thousand yards from the house he

00:46:44.940 had made with Mary, mother of three or four of his children.

00:46:48.440 She committed suicide.

00:46:49.840 After her suicide, he went on a press tour, just destroying her legacy.

00:46:55.160 He buried her with great fanfare and the Kennedy family plot up in Massachusetts.

00:46:59.580 One week later, he secretly in the dead of night had her exhumed, buried alone on the

00:47:05.600 side of a hill.

00:47:06.440 I mean, if you want, if they want to get into character, then get into character with someone

00:47:12.860 like that.

00:47:13.540 But I also agree with you that if they take down Pete, this is going to be a real, this

00:47:20.900 could, this is where it's really going to get interesting because Trump is not going

00:47:23.680 to take kindly to having his nominees summarily dismissed one by one by all these hypocrites

00:47:31.240 on the hill who all have their own bodies buried somewhere.

00:47:34.500 Right.

00:47:34.700 And there's no way you see if, if they allow Pete to go down without the full pressure campaign

00:47:40.820 on these senators, if they allow this, how he, RFKJ is done.

00:47:45.180 He's toast because like you just heard it audience, like it's not going to get better

00:47:50.020 when they get to RFKJ.

00:47:51.480 That that's just one little piece of his controversies.

00:47:54.240 And I do support him and I love the nomination, but I recognize a very controversial guy and

00:47:59.000 we've never had somebody quite like him elevated and having to go through a confirmation hearing.

00:48:03.680 So how on earth are those senators going to turn around and say, oh, but he's fine.

00:48:07.940 Yeah, exactly.

00:48:09.040 He's fine.

00:48:09.660 They can't.

00:48:10.300 Right.

00:48:10.800 They can't.

00:48:11.580 This is the whole game right here.

00:48:13.000 We're talking about the whole game.

00:48:14.440 Right.

00:48:15.280 Not to mention Tulsi, who's being accused of being a Russian agent.

00:48:18.940 No sooner did Michael Knowles leave the show yesterday than we had a letter from all these

00:48:24.320 so-called intelligence experts accusing her of being an asset.

00:48:28.240 Again.

00:48:29.340 Who would trust these so-called intelligence experts who told us that the Hunter Biden laptop

00:48:35.420 was a Russian hoax who who provided us really via Hillary Clinton with the so-called Steele

00:48:41.400 dossier that said Trump was a Russian asset.

00:48:44.120 Who would believe any of this?

00:48:45.800 Who would believe an infrastructure and an establishment that tells us after lockdown,

00:48:51.200 we made it up.

00:48:52.840 We made up six feet apart.

00:48:54.380 We didn't know what we were doing.

00:48:55.820 Like, we don't really know.

00:48:57.500 Like, are you kidding me?

00:48:59.160 Who would trust any of these people?

00:49:00.820 And, you know, to your point, I can I respect where you come from on RFK Junior because I

00:49:08.880 do like the idea of disruptors in these spaces.

00:49:13.860 Big pharma, big health.

00:49:16.840 I mean, we're seeing it in the reaction to this assassination of this health care executive.

00:49:21.760 I know.

00:49:21.960 Oh, we ought to talk about that next.

00:49:23.360 Yeah.

00:49:23.500 I want RFKJ to do to these institutions what he did in his second marriage.

00:49:29.340 I I blow it up.

00:49:32.800 Blow it up.

00:49:34.080 I just I just I like I've gotten to the point where I just don't give a damn about their

00:49:39.780 personal foibles.

00:49:40.960 I I do kind of see them as somewhat related to their willingness to go into these institutions

00:49:47.380 and cause havoc.

00:49:48.600 Heck, I know it sounds weird, but I I think for we're trying something new with Trump,

00:49:52.740 too, you know, Trump 2.0, which and I'm I'm all for it.

00:49:56.840 I want to see what this kind of person and personnel can do to these disgusting institutions

00:50:01.920 that have turned on us.

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00:51:12.420 Let's talk about what's happening with the Jordan Neely case first.

00:51:15.580 Daniel Penny is the defendant.

00:51:17.380 Jordan Neely is the man who died.

00:51:19.020 It appears the jury's hung on the most serious charge, which is whether he recklessly caused

00:51:25.520 the death of Jordan Neely.

00:51:27.620 The second charge is whether he was criminally negligent in causing Jordan Neely's death.

00:51:32.960 Or they could, of course, acquit him entirely of these charges because he was clearly a good

00:51:38.360 Samaritan trying to protect the passengers on that subway car where this altercation took

00:51:44.420 place.

00:51:44.780 Just a quick refresher for those who don't remember.

00:51:47.160 Jordan Neely came onto the subway train.

00:51:49.900 He was acting irrationally.

00:51:51.500 He was saying he didn't care if he died or went to prison.

00:51:54.600 He was threatening passengers.

00:51:56.620 Passengers were scared.

00:51:58.300 And Daniel Penny got up and got him in a headlock and subdued him and the crazy behavior.

00:52:04.840 And ultimately, Jordan Neely died because, well, he didn't have enough oxygen, but he also

00:52:11.020 had some other health problems that were introduced at trial as potentially contributing or indeed

00:52:16.940 possibly the cause.

00:52:18.460 So I think a lot of us believed that this jury was going to come back like that with an

00:52:23.360 acquittal.

00:52:24.520 No, we're now on, I think, day four of deliberations.

00:52:28.140 And just before we came to air, the jury had sent a note into the judge saying we can't

00:52:33.380 agree on the first charge, the most serious charge.

00:52:36.740 Now, that doesn't necessarily tell us whether they're in agreement on the criminally negligent

00:52:43.020 homicide charge.

00:52:44.220 I don't know how the jury instructions read.

00:52:46.620 You know, normally they'll say, did he recklessly cause the death of this person?

00:52:50.040 And if yes, you know, move on to number two.

00:52:54.160 I don't know what the direction was.

00:52:55.660 Like, did they have to start with number one?

00:52:57.740 Could they have started with number two?

00:52:58.740 Whatever.

00:52:59.120 I assume number two should be easier for them because they're only saying they're deadlocked

00:53:04.120 on number one.

00:53:05.320 And so they went into court and said to the judge, we're deadlocked.

00:53:07.700 And the judge asked the lawyers, what should the instruction be?

00:53:10.620 Which is normal.

00:53:11.240 And the defense said, it's a mistrial, which was a nice try.

00:53:15.540 But yeah, probably not.

00:53:17.120 And the prosecution said, tell him to go back in and continue deliberating.

00:53:21.100 And it looks like that's what the judge has done.

00:53:25.760 There's just been there's been like update after update when we've been on the air.

00:53:31.280 Let me let me just give you the latest.

00:53:32.800 OK, the judge said he thinks the jury could move on to consider count to criminally nuggish

00:53:41.040 and homicide, even if they're deadlocked on count one.

00:53:45.220 He asks the D.A.'s brain trust to work on it.

00:53:49.840 The reporting here is still in the courtroom wondering how fast the jury will come back.

00:53:53.640 This is from Matthew Russell at inner city publication.

00:53:56.780 The judge, we got the next note.

00:53:59.740 So the jury, he sent them back in to continue deliberating.

00:54:01.980 Then they sent out a note almost immediately thereafter saying, we, the jury, request further

00:54:06.820 clarification on whether a person reasonably believes force is necessary.

00:54:11.200 We would like more on what is a reasonable person.

00:54:15.380 They're obviously divided.

00:54:17.120 The judge responded, there's a passage in people versus gates or goats.

00:54:21.280 And then he chuckles because he realizes people, I don't know.

00:54:24.760 I don't know why he chuckled.

00:54:25.700 In which they note that reasonableness must be based on circumstances.

00:54:31.020 Oh, my God.

00:54:31.880 So clarifying.

00:54:32.820 The judge says, bring them back out.

00:54:35.160 The jury's entering.

00:54:36.260 The judge says to the jury, reasonableness is up to you to decide.

00:54:39.800 What would a reasonable person do in this situation?

00:54:42.480 He must have honestly believed that Jordan Neely was going to use physical force against

00:54:46.400 him or someone else.

00:54:48.520 And now the jury's getting lunch and we'll come back.

00:54:51.260 It's, I mean, I'd be very worried if I were the defense right now.

00:54:53.340 So I am obsessed with this case.

00:54:55.900 I have been following it extremely closely.

00:54:58.120 I get the trial transcripts every day.

00:55:00.340 I am pulling for Daniel Penny so hard.

00:55:03.620 Now, what is salient here is that Jordan Neely was out of his mind on K2, a powerful synthetic

00:55:12.660 drug that they can't even quantify how much was in his bloodstream.

00:55:17.060 The M.E. testified that she was pressured to classify this death a homicide basically before

00:55:24.900 she had finished the autopsy.

00:55:27.000 This is just like George Floyd.

00:55:28.220 This is, and again, like anyone who hasn't seen the fall of Minneapolis, avail yourself

00:55:34.260 because it is such a, it puts in perspective just how much the media lies to us.

00:55:40.620 My sister-in-law is the court reporter on this case, and she is convinced that part of

00:55:45.920 the problem the jury is having coming to a verdict is because there are protesters outside

00:55:53.360 that courthouse every day screaming that Daniel Penny is a racist, that this was a lynching,

00:55:58.740 Daniel Penny took him down.

00:56:02.860 He definitively, the defense did an expert job at this, medically did not cause him to

00:56:07.580 die of a chokehold.

00:56:08.760 That is not what killed Jordan Neely.

00:56:11.060 It was the drugs.

00:56:12.580 It was the state he was worked up in, and it was a sickling disease that he had.

00:56:18.060 All three of these things combined to cause his death.

00:56:22.080 He tried to get up at three minutes and 19 seconds into this chokehold.

00:56:27.120 He moved with such force.

00:56:29.480 Penny's underneath Neely on the subway floor.

00:56:32.880 He exerted himself with so much force that he lifted Penny, a 6'1 former Marine, off of

00:56:41.080 the floor.

00:56:41.500 A personal anecdote about this.

00:56:45.220 My brother is an interesting guy.

00:56:48.000 He works in sanitation in New York, and his job is such that he has to deal with the CEOs

00:56:54.980 of, like, multi-billion dollar companies, like MLB, top hospitals, you name it.

00:57:02.020 And he also has to deal with his workforce, which is composed primarily of ex-felons.

00:57:07.300 He will routinely say, the jobs I offer are the only ones in America where you can earn six figures

00:57:12.860 and be illiterate.

00:57:15.380 He gets, a guy comes into his office and says, your driver out there is in the parking lot

00:57:20.040 going crazy out of his mind on PCP.

00:57:23.140 26-year-old kid.

00:57:24.540 Not super strong.

00:57:25.560 Not super tall.

00:57:26.780 Cops come.

00:57:27.320 It took 12 cops to get this guy down to the ground.

00:57:30.540 12 and half an hour.

00:57:32.720 And my brother Bill said, this is the thing.

00:57:36.080 When you take down a guy like that, fueled by that kind of drug that gives you superhuman

00:57:41.940 power, you cannot let them back up.

00:57:44.500 They will kill you.

00:57:45.700 They will kill you.

00:57:46.940 And this is stuff that I think the average person sitting at home has no knowledge of.

00:57:52.460 I read the testimony of the passengers on that train, a host of races, ethnicities, socioeconomic

00:58:00.220 status, teenage girl, a senior brand manager at Nike, all daily subway riders said they

00:58:07.580 were sure they were going to die that day.

00:58:09.960 That Jordan Neely was that terrifying.

00:58:12.300 So I think this is an easy acquittal, but this is a case that is fueled not by justice.

00:58:18.240 It's Alvin Bragg.

00:58:19.560 It's been racialized.

00:58:20.780 This were black on black, white on white.

00:58:23.520 Daniel Penny wouldn't be here.

00:58:24.740 Wouldn't happen.

00:58:25.420 This prosecutor's got a history of it, of giving preferential treatment to so-called

00:58:30.480 marginalized criminals.

00:58:33.240 Here she is bragging about it in SOT 6.

00:58:36.220 I had a murder case where the defendant did not intentionally kill the victim.

00:58:46.720 He went into an ATM on the Upper West Side and tried to rob an individual.

00:58:53.580 Unfortunately, it was an older individual.

00:58:56.000 He was 86.

00:58:57.700 And in the course of the robbery, he fell to the ground.

00:59:02.460 And as a result, he died.

00:59:04.780 This is under the law, a felony murder, which is akin to intentional murder.

00:59:11.940 However, when I first got the case, I learned, I took the time to learn about the defendant.

00:59:19.460 And it was a strong case.

00:59:23.100 So it wasn't about a whodunit.

00:59:24.780 I knew immediately who did it.

00:59:26.280 I could prove it.

00:59:27.060 I could take it to trial that day and win it.

00:59:29.700 But it wasn't about that.

00:59:31.020 It was that the more I learned about the defendant and his life and the circumstances, the kinds of things that Jarrell was talking about,

00:59:38.260 um, that one should take into account the trauma of that individual.

00:59:43.840 Um, I really felt incredibly sorry for him that he had gotten to that point in his life where he felt like there was no other choice but to commit this robbery.

00:59:56.300 Felt super sympathetic towards this guy.

00:59:58.200 What's missing in that account?

00:59:59.300 The victim was an 87-year-old Asian man, a beloved college professor, survivor of the Korean War.

01:00:06.940 The perp, the guy who killed him, that passive language kills me.

01:00:10.660 He fell as a result of the fall.

01:00:12.540 He died.

01:00:13.340 He was murdered for $300 he took out of an ATM by a middle-aged black man.

01:00:18.740 She had the gall to go to the victim's family and say,

01:00:21.500 are you interested in a little premise called restorative justice?

01:00:25.200 Oh, my God.

01:00:26.620 Restorative justice.

01:00:27.580 So this guy gets, I think he got maybe 10 years.

01:00:31.080 He probably would have gotten life.

01:00:32.980 So she's perfectly willing to extend that kind of sympathy and do that kind of background check when it's, I suppose, a black person committing a crime.

01:00:45.440 But Daniel Penny, who, I swear to God, Megan, the first responders didn't want to touch Jordan Neely.

01:00:53.100 Right.

01:00:53.300 They wouldn't give him CPR.

01:00:54.600 No.

01:00:54.820 Because they didn't want to put their mouths on his.

01:00:55.920 He was so filthy, he reeked.

01:00:59.560 He was obviously diseased.

01:01:01.340 The responding officer said, my guys aren't getting hep C over this.

01:01:04.860 Right.

01:01:05.260 That's what he said.

01:01:06.060 Who could blame them?

01:01:07.220 Daniel Penny put his hands on him.

01:01:09.100 Daniel Penny held him down.

01:01:10.880 Daniel Penny endured that stink and that risk of disease to protect his fellow passengers.

01:01:16.820 And the real, real after effect of this case is going to be who on earth would ever get in between innocent people and a threat like that again.

01:01:27.920 No way.

01:01:28.520 No one.

01:01:29.340 If this guy goes down on any one of these charges, criminally negligent or reckless, he's, no one will.

01:01:35.400 But even the fact that this has gone to trial, I think, would cause most people to think twice.

01:01:40.020 Yeah, I think you're right.

01:01:41.180 Why would you risk losing everything, going bankrupt, losing any shot at another job, reputationally smeared?

01:01:48.620 There are subway cars that are now outfitted where normally ads would be.

01:01:53.740 White type against a black background, this car is where someone was lynched.

01:02:00.040 Oh, my Lord.

01:02:01.700 Seriously?

01:02:02.260 Mm-hmm.

01:02:02.700 I haven't been on the New York City subways in a while.

01:02:04.780 I saw it online.

01:02:05.980 I was on the subway last week, but I saw it and I thought, of course.

01:02:09.920 And what, where is the mayor who has said, pretty much, this case should not even be happening?

01:02:14.840 I know.

01:02:15.200 He seems to be on Daniel Penny's side, but a lot of good that does him.

01:02:20.300 This is his MTA.

01:02:20.580 Yeah, exactly.

01:02:21.420 Get those things down.

01:02:22.380 A lot of good that does him.

01:02:24.480 They, just a bit of info on what the jury has been saying.

01:02:29.900 They wanted, in the course of the deliberations, we've gotten some clues into, you know, what we seem to be seeing today, which is they are considering a guilty verdict.

01:02:37.520 It is not that simple for them.

01:02:39.580 They wanted, first, a definition of recklessness and a definition of negligence.

01:02:45.260 And just to reiterate, to convict Penny of manslaughter, they have to convince the jury that he acted recklessly, that he grossly deviated from how a reasonable person would behave.

01:02:56.400 So that's why they're asking, what would a reasonable person do?

01:02:58.640 They're stuck on the manslaughter charge.

01:03:00.760 And then there's a lower charge about criminally negligent homicide that they're considering as well.

01:03:06.680 That would mean you failed to perceive a substantial risk that your actions or inaction would result in another person's death.

01:03:14.300 Okay, they also wanted to see two videos.

01:03:17.260 One is referred to as the Vasquez video.

01:03:20.940 One is as the Rosario video.

01:03:23.480 The video by Vasquez is a Mexican freelance journalist, Juan Alberto Vasquez.

01:03:27.860 It's nearly six minutes long.

01:03:29.580 It's a cell phone clip of Penny with Neely in the chokehold.

01:03:33.300 It captures a different off-camera bystander named Larry Goodson, we're showing it here, expressing concern for Neely's life and saying that he will need to be released if he exhibits certain physical reactions.

01:03:50.120 Penny did not respond.

01:03:51.660 This witness, Larry Goodson, testified on Monday, quote, he was in a whole other trance.

01:03:56.440 The Rosario video is a minute-long cell phone clip that briefly shows Penny and Neely, plus a bystander voice that says, he's dying.

01:04:04.760 Let him go.

01:04:07.080 Here, take a look at this.

01:04:14.020 It's the bystander.

01:04:17.780 Y'all gotta hold him down.

01:04:26.440 You gotta hold him down, and there's a voice in there saying, he's dying, let him go.

01:04:32.840 The woman who took the video, Yvette Rosario, who's 19, took the stand in this case and testified that she was so afraid of Neely, quote, I thought I was going to pass out.

01:04:44.960 So, I mean, I understand why the jury, if they're just trying to follow the letter of the law and what's been placed in front of them,

01:04:52.620 maybe struggling, they're saying, oh, okay, there's somebody who said on the side, release him if certain things happen.

01:05:00.620 They say Penny was in a trance as he had this guy in a chokehold, and now you've got this one bystander saying he's dying, let him go.

01:05:08.880 And Penny didn't respond.

01:05:11.360 That's the case the prosecution's building, that he was on notice that Neely was dying, and he continued holding on to him.

01:05:19.120 And that's probably the kind of thing they're debating inside that jury room right now.

01:05:25.200 If only the DA really cared about the spirit of the law and the letter of the law the way these jurors clearly are trying to do.

01:05:34.000 But I think people are human, and I think that they are influenced by the protesters outside.

01:05:39.880 I think they're influenced by this notion that a white man took a black man down and his life was expendable.

01:05:45.580 That's the way it's been covered in much of the mainstream media.

01:05:48.880 He's your friendly neighborhood, Michael Jackson impersonator, who just happened to have been arrested for trying to abduct a seven-year-old girl in broad daylight on the streets of Queens.

01:05:59.120 You never read about that.

01:06:00.580 That's right.

01:06:01.160 You never read about that.

01:06:02.260 And assault was known.

01:06:03.860 Assaulted somebody else not long thereafter, or not long before this.

01:06:08.760 It was a 67-year-old woman who he punched in November 2021.

01:06:14.560 And he pleaded guilty in that one, and he got a slap on the wrist for it.

01:06:17.640 They bent over backward to get him to stay out of prison.

01:06:22.100 So he went into some, you know, treatment facility, and 13 days later, he ran from it.

01:06:26.740 He got out.

01:06:27.320 In April of 2023, outreach workers approached him on the subway in one of the cars on Coney Island.

01:06:35.200 And what did he do?

01:06:36.200 He urinated in front of them.

01:06:38.120 And he's got a long history of assaults, arrests, more than three dozen arrests, and drug use that made him out of his mind.

01:06:46.400 And now we're supposed to say, well, Daniel Penny should have listened to some rander passerby who had no skin in the game, who was not there holding the guy, who was not on the receiving end of his, you know, heaving motions.

01:06:57.800 Let go.

01:06:58.820 Let him go.

01:06:59.480 Saying, oh, oh, he's dying.

01:07:01.000 Let him go.

01:07:01.480 How do you know?

01:07:02.380 Are you a medical professional?

01:07:03.540 Right.

01:07:03.820 Are you EMT, which took 20 minutes to get there?

01:07:06.160 Cops took 12.

01:07:07.780 Okay.

01:07:08.360 That was Daniel Penny intervening.

01:07:10.400 That 67-year-old woman assaulted by Jordan Neely, he broke her nose and her orbital bone.

01:07:16.400 He was on a list that the city keeps of the top 50 most dangerous, mentally ill, homeless people, or should I say, unhoused.

01:07:28.040 This is, again, this is stuff that you're not reading about or hearing about.

01:07:32.100 It is a one-sided narrative, and it's far more complicated than that.

01:07:37.240 Jordan Neely didn't just happen to fall through the cracks.

01:07:40.580 This is a systemic failure.

01:07:43.460 It's like a systemic organ failure.

01:07:45.280 Like New York City is dying.

01:07:47.520 Like sepsis.

01:07:48.260 Exactly.

01:07:49.320 And this is the result.

01:07:50.700 This isn't Daniel Penny's fault.

01:07:52.460 This is the fault of people who are paid far too much to do far too little.

01:07:56.240 So on the subject of New York City, this incredible assassination that happened on Wednesday is everywhere.

01:08:04.320 I'm sure my audience has heard about this.

01:08:05.980 The CEO of UnitedHealthcare, which millions of Americans have as their healthcare system insurer, was walking to a conference on Wednesday morning, very early in the morning at 6.40 a.m. from one hotel to the other, from his hotel where he was staying, over to the neighboring hotel.

01:08:22.500 And there was an assassin lying in wait with a gun that had a silencer on it.

01:08:26.440 He had been following him and came out, shot him twice, one in the back and one in the leg.

01:08:33.660 Oh, it was so awful.

01:08:34.700 He falls.

01:08:35.420 He stumbles.

01:08:36.120 My God, he had no chance.

01:08:37.940 And then walks around to finish the job.

01:08:40.020 And the police are still on a manhunt for the assassin.

01:08:45.500 They figured out that he stayed at a hostel, that he wore the mask almost the entire time he was at the hostel.

01:08:51.460 He took it down only for a brief moment when a girl with whom he was flirting asked him to.

01:08:57.040 And he's on camera smiling.

01:08:59.780 And we should show the picture, a pretty extraordinary photo, looking at him seeming kind of happy.

01:09:07.220 And, you know, this is not long before he committed a murder.

01:09:11.100 And then he got on one of those, it wasn't a city bike, but it was one of those bikes that you can get in New York and took off into Central Park.

01:09:18.400 And now they're wondering whether he dumped the outfit he was wearing in Central Park because they seem to have lost him someplace in Central Park.

01:09:24.240 And they haven't found him since.

01:09:26.140 Now there's a lot of speculation about, is this a professional hit?

01:09:28.800 You know, did somebody put this guy up to it?

01:09:31.220 He had written something on the bullet.

01:09:33.660 I don't have it in front of me.

01:09:34.760 It was like destroy, depose.

01:09:36.580 I can't remember the third D.

01:09:38.260 It was like deny.

01:09:39.600 Deny.

01:09:41.000 Depose.

01:09:41.740 Delay.

01:09:42.400 I think it was.

01:09:43.520 I know this book that was written in 2010, which is basically like.

01:09:48.040 Deny, defend, depose.

01:09:49.400 Okay, there you go.

01:09:50.480 Depose.

01:09:51.220 And that may relate to something that has been said in insurance circles about claims.

01:09:56.460 And so there's a debate about whether this is an assassination like some, you know, the Russians, you know, something that that professional.

01:10:04.320 Many think no, because his cell phone, which is a burner phone, was left at the scene.

01:10:07.860 Um, and there was some sloppiness around the crime, but on the other hand, he got away.

01:10:12.540 He used a silencer.

01:10:13.420 He was very familiar with the gun because it jammed and he was able to recover immediately.

01:10:17.080 And now you have ghouls like Taylor Lorenz, who wrote for the New York Times and the Washington Post about two minutes ago, uh, until she was recently fired.

01:10:30.280 I think for saying something negative about Joe Biden that they couldn't, she tried to deny she did.

01:10:34.780 And it was obvious.

01:10:36.360 She did it.

01:10:37.220 Can't remember what it was.

01:10:38.060 It was about the, uh, Israel-Palestinian conflict, um, that he's a war criminal.

01:10:42.920 I think it was anyway, she got fired.

01:10:45.080 Now she's writing a sub stack celebrating this.

01:10:47.960 I'm glad he's dead.

01:10:49.640 And then after people are like, you know, you sound like a disgusting ghoul.

01:10:52.700 Well, I'm not, I'm not calling for his murder, but it's a good thing.

01:10:54.940 He's dead.

01:10:55.440 And other insurance agents, agent, uh, representatives should be dead too.

01:11:00.000 Yeah, she's sick.

01:11:00.960 She'll say anything for clicks, anything.

01:11:02.820 So it's nice to see her circling the drain to her inevitable, complete, um, irrelevance.

01:11:08.480 It's interesting.

01:11:09.600 I've been, so are you guys watching day of the jackal?

01:11:11.900 No, you should.

01:11:12.780 It's amazing.

01:11:13.520 What's it on?

01:11:14.140 It's on paramount plus or peacock.

01:11:16.580 It's on peacock.

01:11:17.500 And it's a, it's a remake of a 73 film.

01:11:21.520 Eddie Redmayne play.

01:11:22.860 It's like incredibly stylish and he plays this really stylish assassin.

01:11:27.040 And the first 20 minutes, he's like, he's a sniper.

01:11:29.720 Like it's incredible.

01:11:31.100 Anyway, this reminds me of that.

01:11:34.060 And I'm seeing much of the same reaction online, which, you know, social media is a cesspool.

01:11:40.340 It is also our id and people are talking about like the hot assassin and, oh, it's like they,

01:11:46.880 it's crazy.

01:11:47.500 They took him down.

01:11:48.380 Like it had to be done.

01:11:49.680 Like the healthcare industry, there's such vultures.

01:11:52.480 And I think this, the reaction to this is really telling us a lot.

01:11:56.140 And this sort of circles back to the whole RFK Jr. thing.

01:11:59.140 People are sick of their life and death decisions being made by faceless bureaucrats or paper

01:12:06.360 pushers in offices.

01:12:07.740 You try to get somebody on the line at one of these companies, forget it.

01:12:11.180 You can't.

01:12:12.000 So unless you're a one percenter who's up in like the Beyonce suite, you are at the mercy of some guy who's going to tell you it costs them 10 cents less for you to travel two hours more to go see a doctor you don't even like to get denied medication you might really need.

01:12:31.920 This is sort of the larger thing that's happening.

01:12:35.140 I mean, I think it's terrible what happened to this guy.

01:12:37.140 I can't believe he didn't have security.

01:12:40.360 I can't believe his schedule was made that public.

01:12:42.920 He had death threats against him.

01:12:45.500 You know, they're now all of these health companies are taking down the images of their executives in the wake of this.

01:12:51.980 Good call.

01:12:52.780 I mean, it's a very dicey job there.

01:12:54.940 There are two at least issues here.

01:12:59.240 No, nobody condones what happened to this poor man.

01:13:02.440 It's horrifying.

01:13:03.860 And Taylor Lorenz is a nut, but it is leading people to speak out about what's happening in the insurance industry.

01:13:10.600 I mean, my own take on it is now is not the time we should get to that.

01:13:14.800 Right.

01:13:15.100 We should still focus first on this, this assassination, how it happened, like how the guy got away so quickly.

01:13:21.980 I can't believe the NYPD hasn't tracked him now, yet when I saw that there was a picture of him and that they had the cell phone with at least a smudged fingerprint and possibly something else that he had, like a water bottle that might have DNA.

01:13:35.940 I thought they'd have him in two minutes, Maureen.

01:13:37.580 I know.

01:13:38.120 But life doesn't work like CSI does, and they have not found him yet.

01:13:42.080 I mean, the guy could be in Columbia right now.

01:13:44.060 I know.

01:13:44.460 We have no idea.

01:13:45.940 So that's one.

01:13:47.680 And then the second, complaints about insurance.

01:13:49.440 I mean, I have to say, crazy Taylor Lorenz was bitching about when, in like her nastiest tweet, she was complaining about Blue Cross Blue Shield, the anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield, with a new policy that would have limited coverage of anesthesia based on time limits.

01:14:08.500 You know, so like, I used to be married to an anesthesiologist.

01:14:11.380 Oh, really?

01:14:11.540 And, you know, like a lung transplant, a liver transplant, can last 18 hours.

01:14:16.680 It's like, what if they only cover you for eight?

01:14:19.000 You've got to pay out of pocket for the last 10, even though that's how long your surgery takes, 18 hours.

01:14:23.440 Like, sorry, it didn't go faster.

01:14:25.500 And so that's terrible.

01:14:26.960 But this is not the time for her to be painting these guys as ghouls.

01:14:32.940 But the interesting thing is NBC reporting that Blue Cross Blue Shield is not going to proceed with that policy change.

01:14:41.400 It reversed course on December 5th after it had been announced.

01:14:46.780 It led to outrage across social media from average users to government officials.

01:14:51.880 I mean, the killing of CEO Brian Thompson is deeply disturbing.

01:14:57.640 It says a lot about who we are, where we are, and I wonder if it says something about New York, because it's starting to feel like the Wild West out there.

01:15:06.580 Oh, 100%.

01:15:07.200 I mean, that was the thing I thought.

01:15:08.480 Like, you must know that, Hilton.

01:15:10.100 That was up the street from your old workplace.

01:15:12.180 Yeah, a couple blocks.

01:15:13.300 We used to have Christmas parties there, you know?

01:15:15.880 Like, broad daylight, 6.45 a.m.

01:15:18.540 The gunman was seen milling around, just letting other people walk right past him.

01:15:24.360 He was just waiting for his target.

01:15:25.900 There are surveillance cameras everywhere.

01:15:29.120 I can't believe an execution like this took place on the streets of New York City.

01:15:35.020 And no one saw him?

01:15:35.900 There was no police officer nearby?

01:15:37.960 Like, how did they not get him?

01:15:40.340 There's not a lot of crime at that hour of the day.

01:15:42.480 It would have seemed like any police officer in the region would have gotten to him, you know, too sweet.

01:15:46.920 But he got away.

01:15:48.580 And I don't know now whether they will get him, because partial smudged fingerprint is not really that persuasive.

01:15:56.540 What we've seen today is they found out that the weapon that was used in the shooting was made, was purchased in Connecticut.

01:16:05.200 That, yes, indeed, they found a water bottle.

01:16:08.300 That's where the fingerprint was lifted but smudged.

01:16:11.760 The burner phone has been retrieved.

01:16:15.000 It could yield fingerprints and possibly even communications, though we don't know whether it has so far.

01:16:20.340 They're for surveillance video, shows the suspect leaving the 57th Street F train station before the shooting, approximately 6.15 a.m., 30 minutes before the shooting.

01:16:29.960 Extensive video canvas led police to the area of a hostel where he was staying.

01:16:34.420 He almost never lowered his mask or his hood.

01:16:38.100 They're looking into whether his getaway bike was pre-positioned, which could be caught on video if it was.

01:16:43.180 There is video, they believe, according to CNN, of the suspect on the Upper West Side carrying what appears to be an electronic bicycle battery.

01:16:51.120 Wall Street Journal reporting that Brian Thompson was one of three United executives named in a lawsuit from a Florida pension in May,

01:16:58.980 accusing United of hiding a DOJ antitrust investigation into United from shareholders while insiders like Brian sold stock.

01:17:07.040 In other words, we got left holding the bag on our stock, you know, investments, and you didn't, including $15 million in Thompson's personally-held shares.

01:17:16.760 He and his wife, Paulette, had been living in separate homes a mile apart from one another in Maple Grove, Minnesota, for several years.

01:17:22.620 They had two sons.

01:17:23.460 Sounds like they were separated but somewhat possibly amicable.

01:17:27.480 She told NBC News, I can't talk about this right now.

01:17:29.980 I'm trying to deal with my sons, with my children.

01:17:32.440 Um, the police departments in Maple Grove, again, this is per the Wall Street Journal, say they have had received no complaints about threats to Thompson,

01:17:40.460 though Paulette said to NBC he had received some, something about denial of coverage.

01:17:46.700 And the piece of it, like the celebration, it just, I mean, we're just so ghoulish.

01:17:51.000 I know.

01:17:51.600 This is Taylor Lorenz trying to rehabilitate herself.

01:17:55.600 So she had tweeted out after his murder, that Blue Cross Blue Shield article, and she wrote,

01:18:02.040 and people wonder why we want these executives dead.

01:18:04.980 Now, that's disgusting.

01:18:06.140 And she's sick.

01:18:07.460 She's a sick person who we should not be listening to.

01:18:09.940 But this is her defending herself.

01:18:12.600 Um, so now I'll counteract my own mandate not to listen to her.

01:18:16.480 Um, but she is pointing out something, that a Facebook post about the CEO's passing was met with over 23,000 laughing emojis before it was taken down.

01:18:29.260 People were thirsting after the assassin online.

01:18:35.880 I quote, every woman I know is down catastrophic for the United Healthcare CEO assassin, wrote one ex-user.

01:18:47.040 I just, like, I'm so disgusted by that, the lack of humanity.

01:18:51.660 Like, I can't, she makes it so that I can't really discuss her Blue Cross Blue Shield argument.

01:18:57.280 Like, I just really want to run from this disgusting person who has no empathy for a dead man's grieving children.

01:19:04.920 I know.

01:19:05.940 I know.

01:19:07.280 The idea that anyone could just so easily be targeted this way, it's, and the lack of humanity is what's striking.

01:19:16.680 And I, but I think you're right.

01:19:17.760 I think that the swiftness, it's, it's partly social media, which just sort of allows people to anonymously voice their darkest impulses and thoughts.

01:19:26.360 And on the other hand, the lack of daylight between shock and outrage and grief that a father of two could be slain like this.

01:19:37.820 And the perpetrator could get away so easily.

01:19:40.860 There's, there's no daylight between that.

01:19:42.920 And like, they had it coming.

01:19:44.680 You can only push people too, too far.

01:19:46.620 You push them too far.

01:19:47.600 See what Blue Cross did?

01:19:48.600 They backed off.

01:19:49.420 Why do you think they backed off?

01:19:50.560 Not because they give a shit about their clients.

01:19:52.620 They did it because they're afraid for themselves.

01:19:54.600 You know, and I, I'm dying to know the motive.

01:20:00.380 I'm dying to know the motive.

01:20:02.400 That, so you said, okay, the gun was purchased in Connecticut.

01:20:05.160 That's a good looking guy.

01:20:08.100 That's a guy who looks like he probably comes from a little bit of money.

01:20:11.080 He's probably ex-military.

01:20:13.440 He knew exactly what to do and how to do it.

01:20:17.100 I wonder if he's American.

01:20:18.880 I wonder if he got out of the country, like within hours or how quickly NYPD was able to get facial recognition up at all the ports, all the airports, all the, the through ways.

01:20:31.960 They know who he is.

01:20:33.260 They should know who he is.

01:20:34.320 We had, um, an author who wrote a really interesting book.

01:20:37.600 I cannot remember the name of it off the top of my head.

01:20:39.480 My, my team will remind me, but she came on to talk about that AI, um, facial recognition technology and how the police officers are using it.

01:20:47.860 The police stations and, and departments across the country are already using it.

01:20:51.960 We were talking about it from a creepy perspective where you can get it to the point where you put on glasses, you know, like you and I go into a bar and I've got these glasses on and I can see that guy over there is Joe.

01:21:02.960 Joe Smith's cashmere Hill was the name of the author.

01:21:05.740 I can see your face belongs to us was the name of her, her book.

01:21:10.120 Your face belongs to us.

01:21:11.080 And I can see like, that's Joe Smith right there.

01:21:13.520 And this is where he lives.

01:21:14.560 And like all the information is coming from my glasses that have facial recognition technology.

01:21:20.080 So there's no question they ran those images through what they have.

01:21:25.280 And by the way, when you run it through the police departments, you know, technology, it gives you so many pictures of the person.

01:21:34.540 Like she was writing about how it pulled her from like when she was much younger and in the background, in somebody else's family, Facebook post, you know, it's insanely good.

01:21:48.560 And so it's just, as soon as I saw the maskless photo, I was like, he's toast.

01:21:53.140 They're going to have this guy in two minutes.

01:21:54.860 They certainly should have an identity and maybe they do.

01:21:57.640 And they're just not, you know, telling us yet.

01:22:00.600 Steve, tell me what episode that was because people might want to go back and listen to that now.

01:22:04.800 I do believe they're going to catch him.

01:22:06.540 I just think we're not CSI, but we're, we're pretty good.

01:22:10.240 We've come leaps and bounds from where we were back in, you know, the Joe Friday days of law enforcement.

01:22:16.140 So fingers, you know, crossed, they catch this guy.

01:22:19.160 Very, very disturbing stuff.

01:22:21.220 Okay.

01:22:22.160 Oh, it's episode 696.

01:22:24.080 All right.

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01:22:30.440 Maureen and my favorite person, Prince Harry.

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01:24:33.320 So, Maureen, while we've made some strides in getting rid of the vicious, vile wokeness from certain areas of public life, the schools are still a hot mess.

01:24:42.980 And New York City schools among the worst.

01:24:46.580 Imagine sending your child to public school where they have to take your kid because you pay taxes, but they use your tax dollars not to spend the day teaching your child about math and English and possibly learning a foreign language, but about crap like this when it comes to gender.

01:25:05.240 Now, stand by.

01:25:05.820 We're going to run this for you.

01:25:06.660 This is from Wagner Middle School on the Upper East Side of Manhattan.

01:25:13.560 Again, this is a public school, and this was, we are told, supposed to have been a seventh grade Spanish class.

01:25:22.180 Okay?

01:25:23.060 Listen to what somebody taped.

01:25:25.640 It's right outside of the classroom.

01:25:27.600 The instruction.

01:25:28.680 They heard the instruction, turned on a tape recorder, and sent it to us.

01:25:32.640 This is an exclusive.

01:25:34.200 Listen here.

01:25:34.540 The doctor, or whoever it was, they go through their bodies, a baby, and, you know, congrats a toy, or congrats a girl.

01:25:41.540 They put on your birth certificate, and that is called your gender sign of birth, and everybody has one.

01:25:45.820 People who are transgender, they say, that's not who I am.

01:25:48.820 That's not how I feel.

01:25:49.900 I actually identify as a different gender.

01:25:51.920 Well, my medical transition, they might take certain hormones.

01:25:54.860 They might have certain surgical procedures so that their body is fast, so that they can feel.

01:25:59.480 And it doesn't necessarily have to be transitioned to the opposite of the teacher, or whoever it is, I never heard.

01:26:05.140 And the change is, or not, that's because I advise something called gender fluid.

01:26:10.760 So for me, my gender plan shifts and changes.

01:26:13.100 Sometimes I feel more masculine.

01:26:14.460 Sometimes I feel more feminine.

01:26:15.840 Sometimes I feel more in-between.

01:26:17.620 And so I just use all these pronouns.

01:26:20.300 I change my name.

01:26:21.240 Okay, just to give you a couple highlights of if you had it, if it was difficult to hear.

01:26:26.260 She's instructing when we're born, the doctor, they looked at our bodies, said,

01:26:29.320 congrats to the boy or girl.

01:26:30.280 They put you on birth certificate.

01:26:31.700 That's your gender assigned at birth.

01:26:33.160 Everyone has one.

01:26:33.820 But you're absolutely right.

01:26:34.480 People who are transgender say, that's not who I am.

01:26:36.200 That's not how I feel.

01:26:37.000 I identify as a different gender.

01:26:38.500 So that can look a lot of different ways.

01:26:40.360 That's all it is to be transgender.

01:26:41.900 But people can absolutely do what you said, transition.

01:26:45.340 Some people might medically transition.

01:26:46.960 They might take certain hormones.

01:26:48.020 They might have certain surgical procedures so that their bodies match the way they feel.

01:26:51.740 That's all.

01:26:52.240 It's just a little surgery so that you can match the way you feel.

01:26:55.300 But not every trans person does that.

01:26:57.000 Some people you know might not have the resources or the means to do that.

01:26:59.900 It's very expensive.

01:27:01.080 I identify as something called gender fluid.

01:27:03.640 Oh, my God.

01:27:04.560 So for me, my gender just kind of shifts and changes.

01:27:07.480 Sometimes I feel more masculine.

01:27:09.000 Sometimes more feminine.

01:27:10.280 Sometimes I feel more in-between.

01:27:11.900 And so I just use all these pronouns.

01:27:14.320 I didn't change my name.

01:27:16.860 That's what's happening.

01:27:18.020 in the seventh grade at Wagner Middle School, a public school in New York City.

01:27:24.760 So we reach out to them to say, what the, right?

01:27:29.020 What's happening?

01:27:30.060 So we say, okay, we're producers for the Meg and Kelly show.

01:27:32.680 We're looking into this story.

01:27:33.500 We understand some comments made during seventh grade Spanish class at Wagner.

01:27:36.780 Do you have any comment on the teacher telling the students the following?

01:27:40.660 Was the school aware of this?

01:27:41.880 Can you confirm?

01:27:42.780 Then the middle school principal, Jen Ren Losquandro, was the first to respond.

01:27:48.300 Um, the New York City public school media department will support a response to your inquiry.

01:27:53.960 Then at 1230, first response from Nicole Brownstein, first deputy press secretary, New York City public schools.

01:27:58.740 Thanks for reaching out.

01:27:59.880 Wagner Middle School does not have a seventh grade Spanish class, period.

01:28:03.200 That's it.

01:28:03.860 No, absolutely no inquiry.

01:28:04.840 Like, where's this happening?

01:28:06.060 We'll get on it.

01:28:06.720 Why are they teaching kids that you can be gender fluid in the middle of class?

01:28:09.820 What's happening?

01:28:11.000 Um, we responded back.

01:28:12.280 Are you aware of any Spanish class at Wagner Middle School?

01:28:14.280 Have you received any information about any teachers or staff at this school making statements like this to students?

01:28:18.660 And if so, is this appropriate?

01:28:19.760 Then at 104, this woman, Nicole, uh, responds back.

01:28:23.880 This is again from the New York City public school, uh, first deputy press secretary.

01:28:27.620 There are two Spanish teachers at the school.

01:28:29.200 Both identify as male and do not identify as gender fluid.

01:28:32.660 Okay, Nicole, this isn't going to work with us, sweetheart.

01:28:35.600 You're going to have to be a little bit more forthcoming because we're on it like a dog with a bone.

01:28:39.520 We responded back.

01:28:40.700 We've been informed that there was some sort of presentation from a group called PFLAG at the school.

01:28:47.360 Can you confirm if this is accurate?

01:28:48.780 If so, was class time interrupted for this organization to speak to students?

01:28:52.220 Can you confirm which classes got the presentation?

01:28:54.100 Were parents informed about this?

01:28:55.200 Were they able to opt in or opt out?

01:28:57.200 Again, does New York City public schools believe this is an appropriate use of taxpayer funds classroom time?

01:29:02.840 So we just got their latest response and here it is.

01:29:07.100 PFLAG New York City is an independent organization that New York City public schools partners with under appropriate circumstances to teach students about inclusion and understanding of LGBTQ plus issues.

01:29:17.220 No parents at this school have raised concerns about this programming, which was given as part of health class.

01:29:22.320 So it did happen.

01:29:24.400 You did bring in a group.

01:29:26.660 You did interrupt instruction of actual academics to shove this trans ideology down the throats of 12 year olds.

01:29:35.700 And though you tried to dodge and weave our repeated requests, we caught you.

01:29:40.740 And let me tell you something.

01:29:42.200 If you're so certain that no parents at your school have a problem with this, no one's complaining.

01:29:48.600 How did we get the video?

01:29:50.780 Ask yourself that, New York City schools.

01:29:53.800 Who do you think tape recorded and sent it to the MK show?

01:29:57.940 Do you think it was a really happy customer, either employed by you or paying tax dollars to send their kid there?

01:30:03.960 Or maybe even a kid who thought you were being inappropriate.

01:30:07.200 You'll never know because you just assume everybody's on board with your radical ideology, which is pernicious and dangerous, suggesting you can just have the surgeries.

01:30:18.120 And it's really not a thing, Maureen.

01:30:19.900 I actually think they know that more parents than not are not on board with this stuff.

01:30:26.940 And that's why they don't alert the parents.

01:30:28.920 They're just going to do the indoctrination on their own.

01:30:32.160 They believe in the moral validity of this.

01:30:34.460 You were talking about this yesterday, this case that's before SCOTUS.

01:30:37.280 And I'm reading coverage yesterday in the New York Times that's talking about how medically valid it is to give children cross-sex hormones and puberty blockers.

01:30:52.840 To say nothing of, so in Irreversible Damage, another must read, Abigail Schreier talks about even the lower level interventions.

01:31:01.620 Like the kids who are like, get me a breast binder, at least just get me a breast binder.

01:31:06.380 I'm developing, I'm self-conscious.

01:31:08.660 The long-term damage that those very painful devices inflict on kids.

01:31:15.200 They call these things like, the names are so amorphous and they're meant to sound vague and harmless.

01:31:23.380 Yep.

01:31:23.500 Among these drugs is a drug called Lupron.

01:31:27.800 That is a drug they give to women who have breast cancer.

01:31:31.240 That is a very, very powerful drug.

01:31:34.360 You're going to give that to a child?

01:31:36.980 Are you kidding me?

01:31:38.340 That is medical malpractice.

01:31:40.380 I'm so glad whoever got this video got it to you because people need to be really informed.

01:31:48.720 I mean, I've had the beginnings of conversations with people who I consider smart, well-read, and they're like, what's the big deal about trans?

01:31:57.340 What's the big deal?

01:31:58.080 It's a big deal.

01:31:59.600 We're castrating children.

01:32:00.840 Yeah.

01:32:01.160 That's the big deal.

01:32:02.080 Yeah.

01:32:02.420 We're making it so they'll have no sexual function and no sexual enjoyment for the rest of their lives.

01:32:07.560 I mean, truly, it eliminates the ability to achieve climax in a sexual interaction.

01:32:12.680 These drugs, the puberty blockers and the cross-sex hormones.

01:32:15.100 Who the hell can make that kind of a decision for a 10-year-old that it's abuse, it's child abuse, and they're presenting it to these children like, that's just not even a thing.

01:32:25.540 And here are my multiple pronouns, indoctrinating them early at 11 and 12 years old into this, and we can't even get straight answers out of the people who work for us.

01:32:35.140 Now we got a follow-up with some of the books that they're pushing on these children.

01:32:40.900 Look at this.

01:32:41.700 Look at this.

01:32:42.340 There is a man with a beard dressed like a woman.

01:32:46.120 I'll show it to you.

01:32:46.640 The first is this book is anti-racist.

01:32:48.380 Okay, great.

01:32:49.340 And now you'll see the book that I was talking about with the man.

01:32:53.480 He's coming.

01:32:54.420 With a beard dressed like a woman with things like be who you want to be.

01:32:57.760 Look at this crap being shoved on middle schoolers.

01:33:00.520 Be who you want to be.

01:33:01.360 And gender stereotypes are damaging for both boys and girls, and there's no right way to be a boy or a girl.

01:33:08.380 Another page details a person's transition process in their 30s, and books pictured include, this book is anti-racist.

01:33:15.340 We're in this together by Linda Sassour, social justice handbook, understanding gender.

01:33:21.300 Numerous books about race like the colonization of Hawaii.

01:33:24.560 A book, We Are Not Free, by Tracy Chee, described as a nuanced narrative of the Japanese-American experience during World War II and on.

01:33:33.320 They're dying to make these kids into social justice warriors.

01:33:37.540 The pedal is still to the metal when it comes to woke-ifying our children.

01:33:42.620 That battle has not been solved by President Trump winning term two.

01:33:46.020 No, not yet.

01:33:48.420 You know, I don't know whether it was you or someone else I was listening to, but the thing that's so pernicious about this is that there is no more confusing time than childhood, puberty, and adolescence.

01:33:59.820 It is confusing.

01:34:00.960 It is often terrifying.

01:34:02.540 I know as a kid when I started going through it, I wasn't ready for it.

01:34:05.900 I didn't want it.

01:34:06.680 But for girls in particular, the way that boys and men start to look at you is maybe something you're not ready for.

01:34:13.720 If I had had this stuff pumped into my head at that age by people I considered authority figures who knew what the F they were talking about, I don't know what would have gone through my head about what I needed or what I didn't need.

01:34:27.120 And to your point, and this goes also right back to kind of the healthcare thing we were talking about, these people are creating permanent patients.

01:34:35.220 They will spend the rest of their lives going bankrupt.

01:34:39.340 They have dollar signs in their pupils when they look at these children who say, I'm gender confused.

01:34:44.180 It's a pipeline that just keeps repeating.

01:34:46.600 It's absolutely disgusting.

01:34:48.780 Okay.

01:34:49.560 We have so much to choose for.

01:34:51.040 I choose from.

01:34:52.540 I'm not sure where I should go.

01:34:53.660 Let's see.

01:34:54.320 Let's do Harry, Prince Harry on his divorce rumors in SOT 16.

01:34:58.480 I Googled news you and there were people who are fascinated by everything you're doing all the time.

01:35:06.940 They're fascinated by Megan is in California right now and you're here.

01:35:11.000 And there's articles left and right about, you know, why are you making, doing independent events?

01:35:16.900 Why are you doing them together?

01:35:18.320 Because you invited me.

01:35:19.380 You should have known.

01:35:20.080 This is true.

01:35:21.160 You should have known that was going to happen.

01:35:22.700 But do you know, like, is that normal for you?

01:35:26.100 That there's, the second there's an article that says she's in California, you're in New York.

01:35:29.920 They say, well, what is happening with these two?

01:35:31.900 Right?

01:35:33.340 Is it, but so is that a good thing for you in a way that there's so much interest in you?

01:35:37.180 No, there's definitely not a good thing.

01:35:38.900 Because apparently we bought or moved house maybe 10, 12 times.

01:35:43.660 We've apparently divorced maybe 10, 12 times as well.

01:35:47.000 So it's just like, what?

01:35:50.940 So, yeah, it's hard to keep up with, but that's why you just sort of ignore it.

01:35:55.080 The people I feel most sorry about are the trolls who, their hopes are just built and built and built.

01:36:00.040 And it's like, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

01:36:01.340 And then it doesn't happen.

01:36:02.800 So I feel sorry for them.

01:36:04.960 Generally, I do.

01:36:07.420 Okay.

01:36:09.920 It's not a good thing, all the attention on him and Megan.

01:36:14.160 They don't like it, Maureen.

01:36:15.320 I know because, I mean, how can one monetize oneself without attention?

01:36:21.180 Right.

01:36:21.700 Right?

01:36:22.200 Right.

01:36:22.500 How do you get the $100 million deal from Netflix?

01:36:25.340 How does Tyler Perry know where to send his private jet to come get you?

01:36:29.060 I love this.

01:36:30.840 Us Weekly conversation at the New York Times Deal Book Summit.

01:36:35.120 Right.

01:36:35.520 What is this entrepreneur of nothing?

01:36:38.400 This guy who has never generated a dollar for his own benefit or edification, what does he know about making deals and making money?

01:36:48.280 He's there because he's a celebrity, because we're all the trolls.

01:36:52.920 We're all circling the bodies.

01:36:55.380 We all know the divorce is imminent.

01:36:57.700 This is someone there is.

01:36:59.200 I've said it before.

01:37:00.060 There's on a rental car office she won't walk through to collect a meaningless award to get her photo taken next to her husband, the beta royal.

01:37:08.260 Well, things are not well in Montecito.

01:37:11.060 I'm just calling it now.

01:37:12.080 It's on my card for 2025.

01:37:13.620 Oh, you say this is the year they divorce.

01:37:15.360 It's in my celebrity death pool this marriage.

01:37:17.280 For sure.

01:37:19.600 They're going the way of Bennifer.

01:37:21.660 Yes.

01:37:22.180 This is the year.

01:37:23.000 Yes.

01:37:23.420 You know, you're absolutely right.

01:37:24.440 What what why is he there other than because he's a super celebrity?

01:37:28.400 And Aaron Sorkin wanted to interview him and get pick up for it.

01:37:32.160 And why did Harry show up?

01:37:33.360 Andrew Ross Sorkin.

01:37:34.520 I always screw them up.

01:37:36.120 And why did he show up?

01:37:37.420 If he hates attention, he can't stand it.

01:37:39.480 It's bad that people are interested in his marriage and in him.

01:37:42.020 But here I am.

01:37:42.760 Look at me.

01:37:43.420 And then he did another little bit on how he's not settling his case against Rupert Murdoch on the phone hacking scandal because it's about accountability.

01:37:50.740 It's about accountability because he really has a real issue with how he's been treated by the press and how his wife has been treated by the press.

01:37:57.560 Meanwhile, they're famous because of the press.

01:38:00.200 And the reason they got all their money is because of the press.

01:38:02.200 And he and she have been using the press for decades.

01:38:05.000 But when it doesn't quite suit them, he's going to be the champion to bring them down.

01:38:09.000 Also watch their new Netflix documentary dropping next week on polo.

01:38:13.420 A sport America cares little to nothing about at all.

01:38:17.460 Sure.

01:38:18.080 And Netflix was apparently very upset because they thought it was going to sort of be the Harry and Meghan reality show.

01:38:22.560 And it's not.

01:38:23.560 They made like Nacho Figueras.

01:38:25.900 I don't ever say his last name right.

01:38:27.560 Don't know him.

01:38:28.560 Of course you don't.

01:38:30.000 Why would you?

01:38:30.820 Nobody knows who this guy is.

01:38:32.220 He's Harry's famous Argentinian polo player friend.

01:38:35.860 Oh, God.

01:38:36.300 And do you know how long it took David freaking Beckham to break through in the United States?

01:38:41.820 It took him like 20 years to become like a major star.

01:38:46.160 Yeah.

01:38:46.380 They like he and Victoria sort of buddied up to Tom Cruise for a little while.

01:38:51.040 And, you know, finally, they have like the name recognition they had in the UK.

01:38:55.500 Nobody gives a shit about polo.

01:38:57.280 No.

01:38:58.000 But, you know, they owe.

01:38:59.480 Oh, oh, oh.

01:39:00.160 And the next year is Megan's.

01:39:03.420 We have to make popcorn.

01:39:05.480 Megan's Netflix show about decorating.

01:39:07.640 Oh, my God.

01:39:08.300 Friendship and hostessing.

01:39:12.200 I'm really looking forward to that.

01:39:13.360 I can't wait.

01:39:13.960 That I will watch.

01:39:14.840 Cannot wait.

01:39:15.460 She's decided to appoint herself CEO of their Montecito lifestyle brand after a fruitless search

01:39:24.840 to find someone able to meet her expectations, according to the Daily Mail.

01:39:29.160 Shockingly, no one wants to work for her, Maureen.

01:39:32.220 She's like Kamala.

01:39:33.280 And you've made this comparison more than once.

01:39:36.200 In much the same way, when that drunk Kamala video leaked.

01:39:40.040 The best.

01:39:41.340 I had my heart broke because I was off that week and I would have taken that thing apart

01:39:46.520 like a pinata.

01:39:47.880 But I thought to myself, she doesn't have a soul in her corner.

01:39:53.060 Like nobody roots for her.

01:39:55.520 Nobody or everybody around her can't stand her because if there were one, they would

01:39:59.760 have taken her by the scruff of the neck and said, no, we're not releasing this.

01:40:03.520 No, sister.

01:40:04.080 We're going to wait until you sober up.

01:40:05.540 Exactly.

01:40:06.060 And it's the same with Megan Markle.

01:40:07.400 She cannot find anyone to work for her because she chases everyone away with her bullying and

01:40:12.800 her temper tantrums and her 4 a.m. emails.

01:40:15.460 At some point, you're going to have to do it yourself, right?

01:40:17.940 So many people don't want to work for you.

01:40:19.760 You have no choice but to say, OK, I'll do it.

01:40:21.360 But you know what?

01:40:21.940 Ultimately, you can't run a business that way.

01:40:23.480 So she's going to have to get a little nicer or at least find people who don't read the

01:40:27.500 paper and see all the reports about how she treats people.

01:40:31.180 Maureen Callahan, such a pleasure.

01:40:33.360 Such a pleasure, Megan.

01:40:34.280 Thank you.

01:40:34.900 Have a great weekend.

01:40:35.600 You too.

01:40:36.140 Thanks to all of you.

01:40:37.040 We'll be back on Monday.

01:40:38.300 Thanks for listening.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - December 06, 2024

Ghouls Cheer Healthcare CEO's Murder, Hegseth Smears Continue, and Penny Trial Update, with Maureen Callahan ｜ Ep. 959

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