The Megyn Kelly Show - Glenn Greenwald and Emily Jashinsky - ＂Megyn Kelly Live＂ from San Antonio, on No Team Jerseys, Israel, and the Left's Obsession with Race ｜ Ep. 1180

00:00:00.480 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:12.220 Thank you so much for showing up tonight, you guys. Please sit.

00:00:18.660 Wow. What a great crowd and a beautiful, beautiful setting.

00:00:23.120 It's been 30 years since I've been to San Antonio. I came as a young lawyer.

00:00:32.220 Back in the day, we had a retreat here, and we went and we wrangled cattle. That was fun.

00:00:37.800 Doug was like, like, with a lasso? You had like a... I was like, no, but I did a lot of this.

00:00:44.580 Felt like a real cowgirl. So it's great to be back. And I said to my team, we got to go see

00:00:48.680 the Riverwalk. We did that today. What a beautiful city. So glad it brought us together.

00:00:56.560 You know, I was saying this last night, and it's true that I spend most of my time, like, at my house

00:01:02.060 and in my studio. You know, I don't do a lot of red carpet events and things like that. It's just

00:01:06.280 not my thing. And in my real life, even though I have this very outward-facing job, I'm a little

00:01:12.400 bit more introverted than you would think, listening to the show, watching the highlight reel there.

00:01:19.420 So every once in a while, God will sort of tap you on the shoulder and say, I have something

00:01:24.160 for you. And you feel the inspiration to go out, to go out into this world and do something.

00:01:29.020 And that's really why I did this tour. I got the tap from God, telling me it was time to go out,

00:01:35.220 and I didn't know why. Like, what is it he thinks I need? Let's go and find out. And eventually,

00:01:42.680 like, the signs will become clear, and you'll figure it out. And honestly, like, this happens

00:01:47.100 throughout your life. Like, we went down to the Bahamas on vacation with our kids not

00:01:52.220 long ago. And I'm in this swimming pool at the hotel, and a nice woman's talking to me.

00:01:57.120 We're chit-chatting, and I've got my young guy, Thatcher. He's 12, with me. And we're making

00:02:02.460 small talk with this woman. And in the middle of it, she's kind of looking at me. And, you

00:02:05.960 know, we're in the pool, and I'm in my bathing suit, whatever. I don't look like this. And she

00:02:09.980 goes, has anyone ever told you that you look exactly like Megyn Kelly, except much better

00:02:17.780 looking? And my son, Thatcher, goes, that's literally impossible. So you never know how

00:02:28.380 to take those messages, right? Like, is that a compliment, or is that not a compliment?

00:02:33.280 Unclear. But you parents out there know that your kids keep you humble, right? And sometimes

00:02:38.280 God will deliver that to you, too. When Thatcher wasn't even born yet, but when I was pregnant

00:02:46.340 with him, and my two, my older two were watching me grow and watching what was happening, and you

00:02:53.540 could see the stomach expanding. And our eldest, who's now 16, he kind of put his hand on my stomach

00:02:59.680 at one point, and he goes, wow. And I said, it's getting bigger, right? And he goes, yeah,

00:03:05.160 and your bottom's getting bigger, too. Okay. I don't feel like I needed that one, actually,

00:03:13.320 to be perfectly honest. Anyway, I'm very grateful to you for showing up, just as I showed up

00:03:18.860 as well. I think maybe you got the tap on the shoulder, too. Because right now,

00:03:24.820 right now, showing up is not actually all that easy for conservatives. Not that everybody here

00:03:33.680 is conservative. I know we have mixed ideologies, but people who lean right now and are on team

00:03:38.040 sanity right now are literally under attack. And it's gone from, like, us getting attacked in our

00:03:44.120 K-12 education, and in our colleges, and at our workplace, and online, if we say anything that's

00:03:49.520 right-leaning, to, like, literally getting attacked. You know, whether it's as an ICE agent

00:03:55.560 out there trying to do your job, or it's somebody who shows up at the wrong No Kings protest,

00:04:02.440 or it's somebody who goes onto a college campus and just tries to say what he thinks about the

00:04:07.540 world. So, I appreciate the fact that you guys got up off your couches, you bought tickets for this

00:04:13.320 thing, you waited in line, you went through the mags, and you came and showed up for this event.

00:04:21.020 I really think it speaks to your courage. And courage has been in short supply these days,

00:04:26.240 not on the right wing, but we need to find our voices more than ever, right? I think right now,

00:04:31.700 the solution, the only possible solution to what we're seeing in the wake of Charlie, and just the

00:04:37.660 ramping up of political rhetoric and violent rhetoric from the left, hi, Jay Jones, looking at you,

00:04:43.320 is that all of us who are on Team Sanity need to say all the things as much as humanly possible so

00:04:49.440 that they can't shout us down. They can't stop us. You know, I mean, we talked at length about

00:04:55.000 whether we should still do the tour. We announced it on a Monday, and then Charlie was killed that

00:04:59.800 Wednesday. And we had serious talks about, should we do this, right? Should we keep going? And my

00:05:06.220 husband, Doug, felt very strongly one way. He's on board now. But I said, honey, I've got to do it.

00:05:13.320 And then we had to talk about whether you guys would come. Like, will people feel comfortable?

00:05:17.440 Will they feel unsafe? And can I tell you, after we came out and said, we are doing this,

00:05:23.780 we're going to keep rolling, the ticket sales, whoosh! I was amazed. Truly, like the courage,

00:05:32.320 the bravery, like the strength that takes for you guys. Like, I'm a public figure, so I'm used to

00:05:36.680 putting myself in front of you. But like, that was an extraordinary thing. And you guys actually do

00:05:40.420 need that strength and that courage. Because let me tell you something. News consumers are the answer

00:05:44.760 to our problems. It really, like, most people do not take in news the way you do if you're here.

00:05:51.920 Like, they got stuff going on. They don't want to get involved. They find it depressing, whatever.

00:05:55.600 It takes a certain mental constitution to be able to have a hefty news diet and to stay on top of

00:06:00.540 what's happening in this country. You have to have a pretty steel stomach and spine. And it takes

00:06:06.840 effort. It takes effort to figure out what's real, what's true, and all of that. And so, I feel like

00:06:12.020 your neighbors, your communities are going to rely on you. You actually have to be the ones who go 0.90

00:06:16.160 out there and say, there's a local school board vote. You got to go. Come on. I know you don't want

00:06:20.800 to do it, but you have to. We have to save our children. Like, there's a local race. There's a 1.00

00:06:24.880 whatever, the statehouse race. All these things actually really matter. If you don't pay attention,

00:06:29.000 you wind up with Jasmine Crockett. Poor Texas. It's very sad. It's very sad.

00:06:39.140 So, you guys got to be the ones to lead the way because you are super informed. And it's not that

00:06:44.260 your neighbors who aren't following news are uninformed, but they don't know it the way you

00:06:47.880 know it. And they don't understand the media bias the way you do. Anybody who watches our show or

00:06:52.880 listens to our show understands media bias. Most conservatives do. We've hated the media for a

00:06:57.600 very long time. It's something we wear like a badge of honor. Yes, it's to our credit. You see

00:07:03.240 those polls where only like 27% of the people out there still trust the media. Not one is

00:07:07.820 conservative. It's all leftists who are like, what? The media tells it. CNN. It's news. In any

00:07:13.640 event, so, what? So, you have the same responsibility that I have. I've got to deliver it and you've got

00:07:19.680 to deliver it too. You've got to reach out to the neighbors and make sure that they take all this

00:07:23.140 great information you've gotten and do something useful with it.

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00:08:25.000 We are going on the road. Megan Kelly live, 10 stops across the country. Join me for no BS,

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00:09:14.040 your tickets now. Okay. With that, we're going to take a couple of Q and A from you guys. We're

00:09:21.560 going to switch the, switch the order of things up and I'll be on the receiving end of the questions

00:09:25.760 for a little bit before we get started. And you are going to be so thrilled with tonight's, you know

00:09:30.540 who they are, right? You know, who's coming. Emily Jasinski and Glenn Greenwald, two smarter,

00:09:37.300 more dynamic people you could not ask for. I'm thrilled to bring them to you. So let's just,

00:09:42.100 let's queue it up and we'll just get as many questions as we can in a few minutes. Hi.

00:09:46.420 Hi, Megan. Thank you so much. My question is actually about the DOJ and Pam Bondi, our current

00:09:52.120 attorney general. Do you think that she's doing a good job? And also, what do you think the DOJ

00:09:57.520 should be focusing on that they aren't right now? Thank you for that. I was a very harsh on Pam

00:10:03.760 Bondi after the Epstein situation, and I do not think that was handled well. Okay. So, and I stand by

00:10:09.680 that. It wasn't handled well. Why it wasn't handled well, we still don't know. It certainly

00:10:13.680 seemed to be President Trump's wish that Pam Bondi handle it the way it was handled. So query how much 0.97

00:10:18.980 of it you can put on her, but that didn't need, she didn't need to go on Fox News and do all those 1.00

00:10:22.420 titillating, wait until you see the files, and then come out with, oh, there's nothing, you know,

00:10:26.200 so that was bad. But I have to say, she's been doing a very good job since then. I mean, she's taken

00:10:31.160 on some really bold things. She's very loyal to the president, but she's pretty fearless. You know,

00:10:35.960 I mean, she's been going after, like, these people who are attacking our ICE agents and

00:10:39.960 Homeland Security. She's got her hands full with some of these cases against, it's not 0.58

00:10:44.820 her, but it's DOJ, against, say, for example, John Bolton and Letitia James. That, all of

00:10:54.020 that is, it takes guts. So I think Pam Bondi actually, I'm more open-minded to her than I

00:11:00.300 was over the summer when the Epstein thing was botched. And I think we should give her some

00:11:04.900 grace, because the more the left hates somebody, the more it's a tell that we should like them,

00:11:09.480 and they really hate her. So, hi.

00:11:14.200 Megan, what, what, I'm so proud of our current administration, but what do we all need to do

00:11:19.880 to make sure that they follow through with the prosecution of these crooks that they've currently

00:11:25.700 indicted, and it just doesn't fade away? It happens. We want to see them in jail.

00:11:31.060 Thank you. Yes, I think they will see it through. I think President Trump is determined. This poor

00:11:36.580 Lindsay Halligan is getting just completely smeared by the media, the new U.S. attorney 1.00

00:11:41.380 for the Eastern District of Virginia. I think she's great. She's very courageous. She's got

00:11:47.640 monster balls. And you need that. If you're going to work for Trump, you're going to start 0.99

00:11:53.100 indicting his enemies. And look, let's face people are like, I think it's retribution. I think it might

00:11:57.940 be retribution. Of course it's retribution. That's obvious. But unlike what they did to Trump,

00:12:03.140 there actually are grounds to do it. No one promised them a free pass for life. They're

00:12:07.680 the ones who changed the rules. They're the ones who said you can go after your political enemies.

00:12:11.480 We can both play that game. You better be squeaky clean if you're going to make those the new rules,

00:12:16.220 and they're not. So I'm fine with what they're doing, and I love this Lindsay Halligan. Go ahead.

00:12:20.680 Hey, Megan. Hi. So as you know, there's a big split on the right right now between, you know,

00:12:27.500 the pro-Israel crowd, the anti-Israel crowd, and all that. I'm not asking you to pick a side in that

00:12:31.600 discussion, but it goes to the point about just foreign aid in general and who we build ally ships

00:12:38.820 with and stuff like that. Joe Biden gave $200 billion to Ukraine since the start of the war,

00:12:45.460 and overall, we just send money left, right, and center all throughout the world.

00:12:52.380 And how do we build ally ships without being taken advantage of? Like, America's not the world's

00:12:59.200 mommy, and we're having an issue with Canada right now. I got it. I think it's a great question,

00:13:04.060 first of all, and I think you're putting your finger on the pulse of what a lot of Republicans are

00:13:07.500 feeling, right? Like, what about us? Like, how much, we don't have a bottomless pocket for Ukraine.

00:13:13.760 There are a lot of American cities that are hurting right now, and I think, you know,

00:13:17.360 President Trump is feeling that. I think the Republican Party getting loud on it has helped.

00:13:21.740 I know J.D. Vance is hearing us. The big guy has got his own strong feelings on foreign policy,

00:13:28.900 and he's coming to those in good faith, and I think, you know, Trump, he had to learn firsthand

00:13:33.200 on how to deal with Putin, right? He wanted to be friendly with him. He thought he could

00:13:37.480 get it settled quickly. He's realizing that Putin is not an honest actor. Now, I think Trump's

00:13:41.880 probably going to ramp up a little support for Ukraine, and we're not going to like it,

00:13:45.080 but I think it's a method to bring it to a close. I don't think Trump has any desire to have a

00:13:49.720 forever war there that we're supporting. And I think on the Israel front, look, they took the

00:13:55.220 lead on virtually everything. The thing about Israel that I think is dividing the Republican

00:13:59.820 Party is that we're so supportive of them, we're getting a little close to the sun,

00:14:04.240 like on the Iran bombing and so on. So like some faction of the Republican Party that's just had

00:14:08.540 it with the wars, you know, obviously we came to that decision, honestly, over the past 20 years.

00:14:15.240 They're feeling like our friend is getting us a little too close to the fire, but thank God that

00:14:19.000 seems to be coming to a close now. So yeah, and just wanted to follow up on that real quick. I don't

00:14:23.080 know if you followed the thing with Canada the past couple days, but they were taking out like

00:14:27.100 $75 million worth of ads, kind of like propagating like anti-tariff messaging and stuff like that.

00:14:31.920 Um, and then it kind of ties in with like APAC as well, two sides of the same coin where like

00:14:36.600 overall, um, how, how does America avoid, like it's the focal point of the world. How does it

00:14:42.440 avoid being the merry-go-round where people are like playing, uh, manipulative games?

00:14:47.060 Well, we don't. We're, we're the world's superpower. So they're going to do that to us. They're

00:14:50.260 going to try to manipulate us, but we have a strong leader, so we don't have to worry about

00:14:52.860 it. Right. I mean like good luck trying to play hardball with Donald Trump. It doesn't tend

00:14:57.300 to go well. Thank you. Hello, Megan. Hi. Thank you for being who you are. You're amazing.

00:15:05.980 Thank you for being this woman, uh, after 50, like we are and outspoken and amazing and beautiful.

00:15:13.660 You are an example. Part of the, we do not care club, right? For instance, Melanie,

00:15:18.580 we simply do not care. Go ahead. So I'm, I'm a legal immigrant, uh, very proud, legal immigrant.

00:15:30.660 Uh, my husband and I decided to move to the U S, uh, after I I'm 50. So it's a huge shift,

00:15:37.920 but we praise the United States. We moved here because we thought for our kids, it would be the

00:15:45.800 best path. So we gave up an amazing life in Brazil. I have to talk to Glenn about it.

00:15:51.680 Oh yeah, you do. So anyway, we gave up that life to come here and start a new life and a new chapter.

00:15:58.760 So my question is, uh, since everything that is happening and we are very much, uh, siding with

00:16:06.660 the government and everything that is happening to the illegal immigrants, because we understand,

00:16:11.480 first of all, the origin of this people, what's your question? I'm sorry about that.

00:16:16.420 No problem. I'm seeing the line behind you. I just want to make sure we get as many people up as we

00:16:20.120 can. Uh, I'm just worried about our positioning as immigrants here, how Americans are going to look

00:16:26.720 at us, uh, because somehow there might be prejudice. Oh, I don't think you have to worry about that at

00:16:35.020 all. I think Americans are the most tolerant, accepting, loving people in the world. Even with

00:16:41.880 the illegals, even with the illegals, Americans aren't being cruel to them or treating them as,

00:16:46.900 you know, bad people. But it's like, if you're an illegal who's here and you've committed an

00:16:52.000 additional crime, you're out and there's zero empathy. And if you're an illegal who's here and

00:16:55.880 you haven't committed an additional crime, you're probably also out as like a policy matter,

00:17:00.780 but whether Trump can actually effectuate that in the next four years, that's more up to question.

00:17:05.520 But I haven't seen like a hint of American citizens treating immigrants badly. That is just not a U.S.

00:17:12.440 thing. Hi. Hi, how are you? Great. Thank you. Uh, where should young conservatives stand on

00:17:22.020 modern day Israel with, you know, certain sources like Tucker Carlson saying that there could potentially

00:17:27.940 be, you know, bad things going on there and other conservatives saying that we have the biblical

00:17:32.600 duty to protect them? It's a good question. So I'm going to disappoint you because I don't have the

00:17:37.680 answer to it, but I'll tell you my own approach. Um, I'm very pro Israel and I'm a Zionist. I do

00:17:44.840 believe they have the right to exist. And I think they're in an extraordinary democracy in the middle

00:17:50.460 of a very rough neighborhood, which is got very different values than we do. The neighbors around

00:17:55.440 Israel, whereas they share a lot of our values. But in the beginning of this conflict, we were told

00:18:00.860 repeatedly, you can criticize the Israeli government. Just don't be anti-Semitic. Don't, don't support,

00:18:05.460 you know, harassing college students here in America because they're Jewish. Don't, don't harass

00:18:09.980 kids trying to cross, go across the quad because they have, you know, the yarmulke on. Yes, I agree

00:18:16.360 with all that. But then when this thing went on for two years and some of us started to say like,

00:18:19.920 you know, going on a long time, taking out Hezbollah, you've devastated Hamas, you've taken 0.99

00:18:25.360 out the Houthis, you've taken out the Iranian nuclear program, kind of seems like it's time 0.98

00:18:29.300 now. It's time. You're an anti-Semite. What? And I think Americans really resented that.

00:18:36.520 And I think there's too many people who are like sort of pro-Israel as a, as like a lobbyist

00:18:41.080 or a spokesperson or very active on X that don't reflect well on regular American pro-Israelites

00:18:48.300 or Jews, what have you. And you always have to remind yourself that sometimes the loudest 0.97

00:18:52.400 advocates are really not the best representatives of the actual cause. I think Israel and we

00:18:56.860 are very close friends for very good reasons. They actually don't ask that much of us. They,

00:19:02.100 they take the lead on most of these conflicts and we're there in a more of a supportive role,

00:19:05.740 like just in case they need us, as we saw with Iran. And I think they're a super important ally

00:19:10.220 of ours. And I hope people, even if you're feeling angry with where things are with Israel

00:19:14.460 now, don't completely abandon the cause. Yeah. Hi Megan. Hi. Um, I respect you tremendously

00:19:22.840 and I listened to you for cogent and thoughtful arguments. What I'm confused about is why you've

00:19:27.940 begun to resort to personal attacks, like calling people fat and ugly. Why resort to add hominem

00:19:34.180 on the person. Yeah. Why resort to add hominem attacks when you're so pretty? It's like a mean 0.99

00:19:39.020 girl. Why are you resorting to that when you have cogent arguments? Because I want them to come over

00:19:44.920 to the other side. And the number one thing they need to do to get out of their ugliness is drop

00:19:50.300 their Trump derangement syndrome. Their lives will be better and they'll be happier. Sorry, but it's

00:20:01.340 true. I don't think it's any accident that the number of people we see out at the no Kings protest

00:20:07.540 are homely people. I don't, I don't think it's any accident. I look out here and I see all

00:20:12.760 beautiful people. I happen to believe that conservatism makes you gorgeous. I don't know

00:20:18.860 what it is. It's like a fountain of youth. It just makes you, I mean, I, you, you, you get out

00:20:24.500 asked out more, you start having more action, you get better job opportunities. People are selling

00:20:30.100 conservatism all wrong. Hi. Okay. Hi, Mrs. Kelly. My question is what advice would you give to my

00:20:42.280 generation about finding your voice and standing firm in what we believe while growing up in such

00:20:46.980 a divided and hostile world? Yes. Practice. Practice at every opportunity. Never, never say no to an

00:20:54.200 opportunity to get up in front of people and say how you really feel. Never hide your true viewpoint

00:20:58.200 because you think the professor's not going to like it or a potential employer is not going to

00:21:01.600 like it. You don't have to go into a job interview and start talking about how you feel on abortion.

00:21:05.560 But if this issue comes up at the water cooler or you're asked by a professor to write a certain

00:21:10.000 thing that you don't agree with, or you're in class and everyone feels a certain way, stand up for what

00:21:15.320 you believe in. Big courageous decisions don't, they don't happen in a vacuum. You, you make tiny

00:21:23.180 little courageous decisions that make sure when you get to the big moment where you have to make a big

00:21:27.460 one, you've exercised that muscle, but you will not make the big courageous decision if you didn't

00:21:32.360 exercise it. So you have to start in the little moments of your life. That's, those are all the

00:21:36.500 building blocks to who you're going to be. And when it comes to articulating your ideals, do it as

00:21:41.320 often as humanly possible. Do it looking into your iPhone if you have to, if you don't have an audience,

00:21:46.060 but do it, do it daily. If you can talk about it with your friends, talk about it with your

00:21:49.800 teachers, talk about it with everybody you can, where it's an appropriate setting and don't back down

00:21:54.200 from what you feel, not even one iota, not even if you're wrong. It's great to be wrong. You'll, you'll be

00:21:59.480 proven wrong and then tomorrow you'll be less wrong than you were the day before. So don't, don't be

00:22:03.560 afraid of that, right? Take risks, put yourself out there and just keep practicing, keep practicing.

00:22:14.400 Hi. Hi Megan, my name is Jacob. Um, this one's going to be a little rough. Okay. I have,

00:22:21.480 I have two Naval Academy grad children. I have one Air Force Academy grad children. Awesome. Thank

00:22:29.840 you for your family service. My youngest, she starts pilot school at the end of next month. So, uh,

00:22:37.880 wow, we've been very blessed. Now on September the 8th, Donald Trump on his truth social,

00:22:45.960 he posted a video about how dangerous flu shots are and tetanus shots are. And, uh, the, the ingredient

00:22:57.960 is called thermeserol. It's got lead in it and mercury. Yeah. Thimerosal. Yes. And, uh, RFK jr. He's also aware of

00:23:08.720 it. And having my children along with the other 2.1 million people that are serving in our military

00:23:18.080 right now, how is it that they do not have informed consent for vaccinations regarding the flu shot?

00:23:27.980 I wrote my congressman, Tony Gonzalez here in Texas. Okay. Completely ignored. I know you're

00:23:38.680 close with Peter Hegseff. I have the letter in my hand that I gave Tony Gonzalez. Would you please

00:23:45.100 give this to Peter Hegseff? Absolutely. Please. Give it to that good man holding the microphone.

00:23:50.560 I will make sure he gets it. We love you. Thank you. I'm going to, I'm going to give you two copies,

00:23:55.920 three copies. Okay, good. Right on. Cause I'm with you on the informed consent. If we've learned

00:24:01.800 nothing from the COVID vaccine, we've learned, we need that. Thank you. Right on. And good luck to

00:24:06.740 your daughter. Yeah, go ahead. We've got time for like maybe two more. Okay. Hi, Megan. I'm so

00:24:13.220 excited to have you here. I listen to you every morning at 5am on my way to the gym. Thank you very

00:24:19.540 much. I really appreciate your perspective, your no BS perspective that you provide. So I'm curious,

00:24:28.960 what's your strategy for maintaining credibility in an era of media mistrust? And how does being

00:24:36.500 named one of times, 100 most influential people shape your sense of responsibility in that effort?

00:24:44.000 Oh, well, I guess I'll take them in reverse order. Not at all. And my approach to, you know,

00:24:52.420 the news and facts and my credibility are, it's, they're everything. Like it, I think if there's

00:24:57.540 one thing I'm known for, it's being hyperfactual. Like I do believe people understand facts are first

00:25:02.880 with me. And then we can talk about my opinions and your opinions and other people's opinions. But

00:25:06.860 I consider it a cardinal sin to get the facts wrong on my newscast, either my actual show or my

00:25:12.400 morning show now, the AM update. It's, it's a true cardinal sin to get the facts wrong because

00:25:17.560 I respect you too much. And I also think that I was talking about you guys being news consumers and

00:25:23.120 how that does require some, some sharp elbows. It's not just, you're not just any news consumers,

00:25:28.640 but if I may, you, you've tuned into this show, which means you don't just want the sweet nothings

00:25:33.520 whispered in your ears. You would go someplace else if that's what you wanted. You must be in the

00:25:38.560 market for true hard facts and some opinion too. And that's, so that's what I feel I owe

00:25:43.720 you. And how do I do it? With a lot of help. It takes a lot of effort in today's day and age to

00:25:48.000 cut through all the BS and all the spin and figure out what is real. Every single story is so hard to

00:25:53.820 figure out what is real. And I know you must feel that as news consumers. I feel it as a news,

00:25:57.840 you know, producer and reporter, but it's doable. It's doable. And so, you know, I think in today's

00:26:03.720 days you need to find a provider, a news provider or two or three and put your trust in them to go

00:26:09.980 through it. You have a busy life. You guys have things that you need to do. You don't need to do

00:26:13.620 news 24 seven. We're doing that for you, but make sure you choose well, because if you don't choose

00:26:18.700 well, you walk around thinking Russia, Russia, Russia is real. The steel dossier is absolutely horrible

00:26:24.380 and that no one's ever renovated the white house before, right? So be careful. Thank you.

00:26:30.480 Yeah. We'll do one more. Sorry to the people standing in the line. Yeah. Love you.

00:26:38.060 Hi, Megan. My name is Millie. And recently I received an injury from a male competing in my sport. It was,

00:26:46.880 it was a coach at my high school and I received a minor concussion. I got hit in the head and I was

00:26:56.160 wondering how I can help keep my voice strong about wanting to protect my rights as a young

00:27:02.300 female athlete. Oh, I'm so sorry that happened to you. That's horrifying. Thank you for standing up

00:27:08.260 and asking the question. So first of all, you have the advantage. It is a big advantage of living in

00:27:13.680 Texas. God bless Texas. Look at all these people. They'll all have your back. Like this is your

00:27:21.200 community. You're already ahead of the game because they'll, they're going to have your back.

00:27:24.340 These guys are not going to tolerate that bullshit, but you, you have an opportunity to sit in the 0.99

00:27:30.480 front row of your life. And in terms you might understand down here, take the bull by the horns 0.99

00:27:35.080 and, and you handle it. You know, I mean, I'll give you this example. So we have three kids,

00:27:41.600 as I mentioned, and of course I could go in and I could fight every battle for them. Doug, my husband

00:27:46.500 could go in and fight all the battles for them, but it's much more useful if we tell them good luck

00:27:51.160 with it. You know, and we don't even give them advice. Just like, what do you think? How are you

00:27:55.780 going to do it? Then if they ask us, what would you think about this? Well, we'll give them the

00:27:59.900 advice, but they have to fight the battle because we're not going to be with them forever. Soon

00:28:04.220 they're going to leave the house. They're going to go to college. They, they need the skills. It's not,

00:28:08.460 it's fine to have me as their mom, but I'm not going to go with them to college. I I've tried,

00:28:12.920 but they've told me they don't want me. Um, so you should take this opportunity, which is a big

00:28:19.440 challenge to start developing yourself. It's a gift that you've been given. So how will you handle

00:28:24.740 it? How will you go to your principal and say, here is why I object to this. Will you go to the

00:28:30.680 coach and say, here is why I am not going to play when you are out there anymore and see it as an

00:28:37.480 opportunity for growth for you, right? Because they don't come along that, that often. And, and truly the,

00:28:42.620 the difference between somebody who is sort of ordinary and someone who is extraordinary is

00:28:46.860 they've had the gift of something really tough coming their way and they've handled it. You don't

00:28:51.480 have to handle it perfectly. You don't have to be the picture of grace. You might fall, you might

00:28:55.320 misstep all that's fine. That's all great ingredients into the cake, but you must handle it. You, you,

00:29:01.620 no one else. And you'll have to figure out how, and if it's, if it's the wrong way, that's great.

00:29:06.840 The next time something comes your way, you're going to handle it better. And if it's the right way,

00:29:10.440 then great, you've solved this problem, but there's literally no downside. Even if you get

00:29:14.480 blowback, even if somebody calls you names, that's all great stuff. You're going to use all of it.

00:29:19.920 Anything bad that happens to you is actually a positive as long as you use it. So something

00:29:24.280 bad has happened to you and now you have a huge opportunity to grow. You can, I mean, you can hit

00:29:29.440 womanhood basically in about a week. If you handle this in a strong way, it doesn't have to be the right 0.91

00:29:34.300 way, just a strong way. And to where you think about yourself in 30 years and you say,

00:29:39.620 will I be proud of what I did? That should be your guidepost. Good luck. And if they don't do the

00:29:46.860 right thing, call me and I'll publicly humiliate them. All right, let's get this party started.

00:29:52.340 Thank you all for your questions. All right. So the way we're going to do this is we're going to bring

00:29:57.900 out Emily in a minute and we're going to talk to Emily and then we're going to bring out Glenn after

00:30:01.860 that. I'm going to talk to Glenn and then we're going to have them both sit together for a little

00:30:05.080 while and have a little coffee talk, the three of us. So I want to tell you about Emily Jashinsky.

00:30:10.640 So Emily is like, to me, about 17 years old. She's so young. She's extraordinarily talented.

00:30:19.600 Right? She's great. So I first found Emily myself. She had been working for the Washington

00:30:24.680 Examiner and she had been with YAF, a conservative group for young people. But I first discovered her

00:30:30.660 when she was working at the Federalist, you know, Molly Hemingway. She was working at the Federalist

00:30:34.960 and she was their culture editor and she had such different and unique takes on everything. And I

00:30:39.680 love culture commentators. I do a little bit of it myself, but I'm much more into listening to other

00:30:45.060 great people do it like Maureen Callahan. And Emily is one of those people, but she's so young. It's

00:30:52.100 like she has so many great insights where somebody's so anyway, but she's always got a different way into

00:30:56.700 the story. She is never predictable, which is one of the reasons why I absolutely adore her.

00:31:02.320 And so we've thankfully been able to fold her more and more into the Megan Kelly show and to our MK

00:31:07.240 Media Network. Now she hosts After Party with Emily Jashinsky, which is killing it, by the way.

00:31:12.260 She's crushing it. You could download that pod. Yeah. And she's in full flourish. And I can only sort

00:31:21.080 of imagine of where Emily Jashinsky is going to be in 20 years. I think she's going to be the queen

00:31:26.560 of all media. So you will see her tonight while she's just the princess, but well on her way.

00:31:32.720 Take a look at this sizzle reel and then we'll bring her out. 1.00

00:31:39.540 This is a real housewives level drama. Fanny Willis is like on tape talking about how she was going to 1.00

00:31:45.460 crack down on corruption and nobody would be sleeping with other people in the day.

00:31:49.000 He's off of this. Andrew Cuomo shouldn't be able to show his face in polite society without

00:31:54.420 apologizing, groveling and saying what you did wrong. I like it all. He's not trying to pretend.

00:32:01.340 The guy actually really loves McDonald's. Any other politician would be fearfully sticking to

00:32:06.080 their script. The rapid response choir. I don't want to sound racist, but I sometimes really hate

00:32:14.760 white people making it. So ineffective. And it's why they ended up losing the culture, 0.99

00:32:20.540 which was unthinkable for the right 10 years ago.

00:32:23.940 Yeah. Emily Jasinski. Let's give it up for Emily. 1.00

00:32:39.900 Yeah. Hey girl. I like that you brought me out on stage with me being racist against white people.

00:32:46.760 Here I am. Setting the stage. I'm sure our friends in Texas will understand. In fact,

00:32:52.680 we should start as an acknowledgement to Karine Jean-Pierre by stating that we are white

00:32:56.040 and we are women. Yeah. 1.00

00:32:59.280 Uh, heterosexual. Don't forget that. 0.62

00:33:01.500 Hetero. Yeah. Totally straight. And cis. 0.92

00:33:04.100 Yes.

00:33:04.660 Yeah.

00:33:04.940 That's the one I always forget.

00:33:06.260 Yeah. The cis.

00:33:06.800 It's easy to forget.

00:33:07.840 Yeah. I hope we forget it forever. Yeah.

00:33:10.420 Around the cusp.

00:33:11.160 So I actually didn't know, I'm preparing for this. I did not know that you were a Midwestern girl, 0.94

00:33:15.840 which explains so much about you, right? People from Texas make sense and people from the Midwest

00:33:21.840 make sense. People from the Northeast where I am from do not make sense. 1.00

00:33:25.180 You guys are bad. 0.95

00:33:26.100 Yeah. It's a miracle. I grew up in upstate New York, which is not the same as New York. Upstate,

00:33:30.440 we're sensible people.

00:33:31.540 Yes.

00:33:32.480 So tell me about your family. Was it very conservative?

00:33:35.360 I mean, not super political even. Um, my parents are both great and, uh, they're both from

00:33:41.260 Wisconsin. So just grew up. Oh, amazing. Yeah. Uh, I just grew up about an hour west of

00:33:47.220 Milwaukee. So my mom worked in Milwaukee. My mom is super, like the most amazing person

00:33:52.380 you could imagine. Her career. I mean, this woman worked like 70 hour weeks traveling to 1.00

00:33:56.460 China and Germany. And my dad's a civil engineer. He worked for the state in the same job basically

00:34:02.000 for 40 years and they, they're retired now. I have a younger brother. He lives in DC. So

00:34:07.340 it's amazing.

00:34:07.900 Did you always think you were going to get into news?

00:34:10.080 Megan, actually, no. I loved, when I graduated high school, I wanted to be a standup comedian.

00:34:15.340 It's so embarrassing. Um, but when I loved TV. And so this is where for me, it's especially

00:34:23.620 special to even know you because I don't know if I've told you this story before. I feel like

00:34:28.700 I have said it once before, but I I'm obsessed with TV and media, especially news. So I watched

00:34:34.460 a ton of news growing up because there's something just sort of very romantic about it to me. I don't

00:34:38.920 know why, but it is, it just is. And I would, I had a summer job one year.

00:34:44.360 And she's talking about Chuck Todd. Yeah. It's sleepy eyes. That's my favorite Trump nickname

00:34:50.220 of all time. Sleepy eyes. Sleepy eyes, because it's so specific and it's something you didn't

00:34:56.360 know was accurate until he said it. Like so many of Trump's nicknames. You're like, oh,

00:35:01.280 but I would watch your show during my lunch break. And I just have these memories of sitting on the

00:35:05.800 floor and watching and just, I loved you specifically. So it's very, very special.

00:35:10.920 So I feel like we were meant to be together. I too, like I actually did not think I was

00:35:15.580 going to go into news. I thought I was going to practice law for the rest of my life. But you

00:35:19.320 know, in 10th grade, I took an aptitude test. One of those things that tells you like what you

00:35:22.620 should do. And you know what it said? I should become a political journalist. You're kidding.

00:35:27.360 Yeah. You believe that at age 14 or 15, it said you should be a political journalist.

00:35:31.300 I wound up, you know, becoming a lawyer. And then when I was thinking about, well, what else

00:35:34.200 could I do? This would seem like an obvious choice, but I had forgotten all about that.

00:35:38.700 Did you remember it when you decided to go into news?

00:35:40.960 Yes. And I did do like a two day internship for the Albany Times Union when I was, I'm

00:35:45.920 from Albany, New York. And it was very cool. I followed around this reporter and I listened

00:35:49.640 to him make his calls and it was like, yeah, seemed like very hard nosed, you know, shoe

00:35:53.940 leather reporter. And it was great. Cause when I, by the time I finally got my job at Fox,

00:35:58.200 which was not my first job in news and my second job, but I was roomed with, um, roomed

00:36:02.600 office mates with major Garrett. You guys know major Garrett, right? Remember him?

00:36:06.380 So CBS now, but he truly was a shoe leather reporter who was like, he loves when I tell

00:36:12.080 this story. But when I first walked into our office, I knocked over a huge pile of Maxim

00:36:16.620 magazines. Then I kind of bumped into a file cabinet in his desk and there was a big bottle

00:36:23.100 of bourbon in there. I'm like, I'm, I'm home. That's a newsroom. Yeah. Yep. So I, I love

00:36:27.640 it too. There's something romantic about it, but you, you're, you know, I know that this word

00:36:32.300 gets overused, but you are heterodox. So you came from a family that might lean, lean right

00:36:36.060 a bit, like a little. Well, no. So this is actually really interesting. Um, at least from

00:36:41.260 my perspective, it's interesting. I don't need to bore everyone with the details, but my, my dad

00:36:45.600 is a union guy because he, he worked for the state of Wisconsin and my mom is in, I'm sorry,

00:36:51.080 mom, I'm exposing you here, but she is in human resources. So she's a, she's a very, I know

00:36:55.500 I said she was a great person earlier, but she's obviously a very bad person. Uh, so, you

00:37:01.120 mean they, they had their own, my dad was raised Catholic. My mom is sort of evangelical. Uh,

00:37:06.400 and so I got that clash, you know, they, they didn't talk about politics all the time, but

00:37:11.060 when they did, you know, when I was a senior in high school, it was Scott Walker's act

00:37:15.720 10, um, protests. My teachers were like leaving the classroom and calling out sick. Yeah.

00:37:22.040 I remember that. But my parents were sort of on different sides of that. Well, YAF is that

00:37:26.180 Scott Walker's organization for young people, young Americans foundation. And it's, so that's

00:37:29.780 why I just assumed you were conservative. I mean, yeah, you don't track conservative now you track,

00:37:34.480 like, I never know where you're going to land on an issue, which I like. Interesting. Yeah. So I

00:37:38.200 still, I mean, for me, the most important thing is just being a Christian and I feel like everything

00:37:42.800 else follows from that. And so it's, it's, you know, I identify like people always ask what kind

00:37:48.320 of conservative are you? Libertarian, moderate, whatever. I just feel like I'm normal conservative,

00:37:52.560 but the Trump era has been, it's tested. I think my politics and all kinds of different ways.

00:37:58.260 Yeah. All of us. Yeah. But you will surprise, like, that's kind of the theme of our evening

00:38:02.540 because you and Glenn, like there's so much on which we overlap, but then there's a whole

00:38:06.780 other, you know, realm where we don't overlap. And, but I like that about you. I mean, I love

00:38:12.600 that. And people like people who are really, really pro Israel will say like, why do you have

00:38:15.660 Glenn on? I'm like, cause I fucking love him. Why wouldn't I have Glenn on? You know, we've gotten 0.98

00:38:21.200 to this place where now even within the conservative circles, people are like, no, you can't platform

00:38:25.280 that person because they have views that I object to, or they've, they've said things I object to.

00:38:29.240 It's like, no, I don't, I don't care about views. Some people may find objectionable. Now,

00:38:34.540 if you've lost your ever loving mind, I'm probably not going to have you on the show because I want

00:38:37.960 my audience not to be misled, but different views from my own. Of course. So what do you,

00:38:43.360 what are you, how are you looking at what's happening right now on the right?

00:38:45.760 Yeah. I mean, so the, I had this experience when I was probably 26 or something of starting to host

00:38:51.900 a show with someone who's a democratic socialist, basically, um, Ryan Grimm and Ryan is a wonderful

00:38:57.480 human being. And I learned from that, um, the labels because people would apply labels to Ryan,

00:39:03.540 even things that I would have thought of Ryan before I knew him. And they just all dissolve

00:39:08.700 when you're forced to be in close proximity with someone having challenging conversations and you

00:39:13.820 see how they are as a dad and a husband. And you realize it's so easy to jump to labels because

00:39:19.680 politics is so personal. And I mean, the, the Israel stuff obviously looms over so much of what we talk

00:39:25.160 about on the right now, which I find it to get very boring, to be honest, but it's just the labels

00:39:32.380 that I was told to apply to people who thought one way, I just saw up close and personal that they

00:39:38.420 weren't right. And for me, I think it's just amazing that I'm forced to challenge myself all

00:39:44.380 the time to talk to the guests that Ryan wants to bring on or crystal ball wants to bring on.

00:39:49.400 And I love crystal ball. She's a leftist. She's, she's kind of a democratic socialist a little bit, 1.00

00:39:54.340 but she's totally brilliant and very cool and a beautiful person inside now, but it is,

00:39:59.940 it does require you to spend time with people who are of that ilk to realize, right. Okay. We disagree

00:40:04.580 ardently, but I have love for this person. Right. And we need that now more than ever.

00:40:09.340 I know. Right. I know. And that's like, it just people, this is, I think we're seeing this happen

00:40:15.580 a lot right now is that someone gets categorized as, as bad because you believe their politics will

00:40:22.220 lead to something bad, which is totally fair. It doesn't make the person bad for coming to a

00:40:28.860 different side on that question. They had a different background experience and I think

00:40:32.020 they're so wrong. And I think their wrongness, like Zoram Mamdani, I think his wrongness is going

00:40:37.740 to lead to a lot of misery in New York city. Yeah. I don't think my friends who feel like the status

00:40:43.520 quo in New York city has immiserated them are wrong to be like, Hey, maybe I want to give this

00:40:48.580 guy a chance. I don't think it makes them a bad person. I think it makes them wrong, but not wrong

00:40:52.820 as people, not wrong morally. They'll be living under Sharia law soon. I got to say that Zoram Mamdani 0.98

00:41:01.260 does scare me. He scares me. It's not even the socialism, which does scare me too. But like the

00:41:07.260 fact that he, he went down and embraced that imam, did you see the story? He loves this imam

00:41:14.160 in Manhattan. This guy literally testified for the defense when the blind shake was tried for

00:41:20.800 bombing the world trade center. The first time he testified for the defense. Wasn't he a character

00:41:25.360 witness? Yes. For the blind shake. And he said a lot of terror loving things. This imam who Zoram 0.86

00:41:31.660 Dami is embracing and called a pillar of our community. Like last week, it's not like all

00:41:36.740 three years ago, some random rope line where he had a picture. That guy scares me. He's very focused

00:41:41.100 on Palestine. He's very focused on Muslim. What mosque did you, did you visit? Did you see that in the

00:41:46.440 New York debate? That was his test for Andrew Cuomo. What mosque did you, no, no mosque. That's, 0.89

00:41:51.260 that's why Andrew Cuomo is so weak. He should have said, I didn't visit any mosque. This is a Judeo 1.00

00:41:55.580 Christian country. This is a Judeo Christian city. Muslims make up 9% and I didn't visit their mosque.

00:42:01.960 And I don't need to visit their mosque. Maybe the worst candidate in the history of bad candidates 1.00

00:42:06.920 is Andrew Cuomo post COVID. They were like, yeah, let's do it. Let's do it. Let's put our money

00:42:11.480 behind that guy. I like, I'm interested. Like, can you shout out if you care about the New York

00:42:16.100 mayoral race? You do. Okay. So I never know whether people, you know, obviously we live in the area.

00:42:21.920 My family and I live in the area, so we care. But I think I'd care even if I lived in San Francisco

00:42:26.160 because New York is our crown jewel. I mean, it's an amazing, amazing American city. And I think it's the

00:42:30.760 greatest city in the world bar none. And we're about to hand it over to a lunatic who doesn't 0.98

00:42:35.260 know what he's doing. That's our only saving grace is that he doesn't know what he's doing. 0.99

00:42:39.320 So maybe he'll just be so incompetent. But I, I, I am also interested in how we got here.

00:42:45.060 Like how did, how did New Yorkers who are not fools get so desperate that they would consider 0.85

00:42:50.680 this guy? That is such an interesting question. And even just for asking it, you know, if you 0.97

00:42:56.120 don't ask it the right way or whatever, people pile on and it makes it so hard to get, first of all,

00:43:01.240 it makes it hard for both parties to seed good candidates because they don't want anybody who,

00:43:06.060 like Marjorie Taylor Greene is a really good example of someone who I think, you know, growing up in

00:43:11.400 Wisconsin, Marjorie Taylor Greene, I know she's from Georgia, but like that is a person that you 0.99

00:43:16.640 know, and the political system is trying to make it impossible for her to exist as a normal non-political 1.00

00:43:24.760 robot. She is like the top small dollar fundraising Republican in Congress. And they are trying to make

00:43:31.580 it impossible because she just colors outside the lines and coloring outside the lines sometimes means

00:43:37.560 having uncomfortable conversations. Like what on earth happened that Democrats in New York looked

00:43:43.440 at Andrew Cuomo and said, this guy, he's been around a long time. We are going with the 33 year old

00:43:49.600 democratic socialist, right? That's a huge problem. Uh, and now if he wins the race, which he probably

00:43:56.400 will, again, the level of desperation that has to be behind people going with that, unbelievable.

00:44:03.680 I know the economic problems are not getting addressed on the right or the left. People are

00:44:08.400 still suffering. This is actually a big threat to Trump, uh, come the midterms, right? Because

00:44:13.660 he's still not scoring well in the polls on people's economic issues. And while he's doing everything

00:44:19.380 he can, I mean, Trump would say his tariff plan is actually to help on the economic issues. He gets

00:44:23.400 so much guff over it, but so far I feel like it's actually going pretty well. I'm a tariff person.

00:44:28.020 But that's another thing on which he, he, people were not open-minded. They were knee-jerk criticism

00:44:33.780 of Trump. And so far he's brought in quite a bit of revenue on it. And it's helped us like get Mexico

00:44:39.340 to crack down on its fentanyl labs. It's helped us with Canada. I don't know. I'm, I'm very open-minded

00:44:44.540 on the tariffs, but it's another thing you're not allowed to touch. No, you can't talk about, no. And

00:44:48.640 before Trump came along, nobody would ever suggest like a tariff anywhere near what some of his

00:44:54.880 tariffs have been. Oh, no Republican. No, no Republican. Yeah, exactly. It was like Bernie

00:44:58.980 basically. But what he's doing, I don't know how the tariff war is going to end, but I do know that

00:45:04.460 he has scared the hell out of all of these countries who were getting a much better deal than we were

00:45:09.120 and now realize supply chains are going to shift. They have to adjust because the U.S. isn't going

00:45:13.700 back. I mean, Biden kept a significant part of Trump 1.0 tariffs because that is where the country

00:45:19.520 has, I mean, it's clearly where the country has to go. So I don't know what happens with the

00:45:23.040 tariffs at the end of the day, but the idea that we couldn't talk about this. Yeah. Insane.

00:45:28.100 What do you think of the question one of the audience members asked about where, where we

00:45:32.360 should stand on Israel? Come on, Megan. It's fine. I know you've got, you've got different views on

00:45:39.100 this, but I, that's, that's fine. I think people want to hear that. They want to hear the different

00:45:42.600 views. Well, no, no, I think it's, I mean, so I've, I have a, one particular story that started

00:45:49.520 to change the way that I thought about Israel as someone who grew up, again, I grew up like 0.97

00:45:53.860 Missouri Synod Lutherans, maybe LCMS, but very like low church evangelical culture. And so

00:45:59.560 left behind books, the rapture, all of that fun stuff and never questioned it that much. Never

00:46:05.760 questioned that sort of dispensationalist reading of scripture. And I, the story of a Christian

00:46:14.180 American journalist named Shireen Abu Akhla, who was killed in, I think it was the West 0.93

00:46:21.320 Bank. And she was, this was like 2021. That story really piqued my interest. You know, I

00:46:28.920 used to have a rule with Ryan that for, I shouldn't say this, but I'm going to, for every one story

00:46:33.740 we covered about Israel, I would make him cover a story about trans athletes.

00:46:40.160 Did we win him over on that issue?

00:46:41.740 I don't know, actually, that's a good question. We don't talk about that much because after

00:46:47.140 October 7th, it was so, we did so much Israel coverage. And when she was killed, I started

00:46:53.240 asking some people I really trusted on the right, because I had to cover the story. What's

00:46:58.080 going on here? Like, this seems, this seems weird. It looks like she was targeted. What's

00:47:02.540 happening? And what I heard made a lot of sense to me, which is the IDF has no reason to do

00:47:07.160 this. Why would the IDF do this? And I saw the Biden administration basically taking the

00:47:14.240 Israeli government's propaganda and regurgitating it. And I really didn't like being lied to

00:47:19.880 about a American, about a Christian and about a journalist's death. And eventually the IDF

00:47:27.200 came out and said, you know, this is, this was our mistake, but it took weeks and they pretty

00:47:32.160 clearly knew it right away. I mean, it's almost impossible to imagine they didn't know it right

00:47:35.900 away. Uh, you could actually see the bullet pattern behind the tree that she was shot

00:47:39.460 in front of. And after that, it just sort of, the, the paradigm shifted for me as to how

00:47:46.640 I evaluated these stories. And I still think, you know, it's, you know this better than anyone

00:47:51.780 right now. You just said you're pro-Israel. I too am pro-Israel. And you can, even saying

00:47:58.900 that isn't enough, uh, sometimes. So I think people underestimate the degree to which just

00:48:04.040 that in and of itself has created skepticism, uh, because people really don't like our government

00:48:11.260 regurgitating foreign propaganda and then being told you can't question it.

00:48:14.720 Yeah. No, that, I mean, think, look at how much we rip on our own government. We rip on 0.77

00:48:19.240 our own government all the time. We'd rip on it, whether Trump's in there, we certainly

00:48:22.000 ripped on it a lot when Biden was in there. You can rip on our government and we do all the

00:48:25.500 time. Israel's certainly fair game. 0.98

00:48:27.780 Oh yeah.

00:48:28.160 They're not even our government. Like why can't we rip on Israel? We absolutely can rip on Israel. 0.94

00:48:31.640 Ripping on Israel is a fine thing to do. Doesn't mean, in my view, you don't go so far as to 1.00

00:48:36.440 say I'm an anti-Zionist and they can't exist. Like that's a, that's crazy town. Um, but I 1.00

00:48:42.640 really strongly reject the attempts to stifle the criticism against them because they spent

00:48:47.920 a long time trying to tell us you can criticize Israel at the beginning of this war. Just don't

00:48:51.600 be anti-Semitic. Okay. Got it. And then as soon as many of us started to get more critical

00:48:54.940 of Israel, it was you're an anti-Semite. Well, no, we're not going to play that game.

00:48:58.400 Oh my gosh. And, and the, the Israeli media is more critical of Israel than sometimes the

00:49:03.560 American media is like, it's incredible. Like following the Israeli media after October 7th has

00:49:08.200 been like very eyeopening as well, because their conversations are actually much more like big

00:49:13.400 picture and broad and include a more diverse array of voices.

00:49:17.180 Well, I mean, look, it's not like our media has figured out the perfect formula either.

00:49:20.800 No, that's for sure.

00:49:22.080 And speaking of that, uh, I want to ask you about the, what's happening at the white house and the

00:49:25.560 reno. Ooh, the, the media has lost its ever loving mind. I actually, I have my notes here

00:49:31.040 because I wanted to read exactly what they're saying. Um, okay. Maria Shriver, you know her, 0.99

00:49:36.460 she's Kennedy. It, it, it breaks my heart and infuriates me. The addition of a ballroom.

00:49:44.560 Why is she so worked up? Hillary Rodham Clinton. It's not his house. It's our house and he's destroying 1.00

00:49:53.820 it. And what does she do? She starts selling hats with that on it to make money off of the 1.00

00:49:59.960 white house yet again, not such a grifter. Uh, the, uh, the bulwark, which exists only to bring

00:50:06.740 down Trump. The, the, as soon as the Democrat gets in there, the addition must be raised R-A-Z-E-D

00:50:13.500 must be completely demolished. And any sign of Trump's ballroom must be gotten rid of. The media

00:50:19.560 doesn't talk about all the reno that has been done by so many other presidents in the past

00:50:23.660 and by Obama's nearly $400 million reno, which is less than what Trump is doing. Or the fact

00:50:29.560 that we didn't have an adequate space for like dignitaries to gather and have a celebration

00:50:33.580 inside the white house. And then I'll give you one more Gretchen Carlson, who I used to 1.00

00:50:37.640 work with at Fox. She gets out there and she was like, I was there when they signed the sexual

00:50:45.260 harassment, whatever, in the East room. And now it's been demolished. Indelible in the hippocampus.

00:50:53.500 The East room is part of the main white house. Like when you walk in the front door, the Northern 0.86

00:50:57.720 entry, it's one of those rooms where they still hold ceremonies all the time. Not to be confused

00:51:01.320 with the East wing, which only has a couple of offices supposedly supposed to be used by the

00:51:06.360 first lady. They are two entirely different things, but these are the people who are supposed

00:51:09.920 to be our media betters, educating us about how bad Trump is and why it's terrible what he's doing.

00:51:14.860 The New York times had an amazing story on this where they tried to cite examples of the history

00:51:21.400 that the East wing means to the country, all of the history that's taken place in the East wing,

00:51:26.340 which was built in 1902 under Teddy Roosevelt. So it's, I mean, people in general, I think,

00:51:30.360 think the white house is much older than it is. It's a lot of it is, is pretty new, but the time story

00:51:35.740 telling you, this is true. The three examples they cite first, they say the East wing where

00:51:42.720 Bill Clinton used to meet with Dick Morris without his staff knowing. Oh, the white, the white house's 0.93

00:51:49.900 latest additions to its website. You're saying the, no, no, this is actually, that is incredible

00:51:54.220 too. The New York times really was like, God rest the East wing. This is where Bill Clinton used to

00:51:59.900 meet with Dick Morris without his staff noting. Their second example is that this is where Dick Cheney was,

00:52:05.360 was rushed away on nine 11. And their third example is it's where Donald Trump was taken

00:52:09.800 during 2020 protests. It's like, these are the three examples you could come up with of the

00:52:14.540 reverent sacred East wing history. Dick fucking Morris. I believe it's DickMorris.com. Oh yes, 0.99

00:52:23.740 yes, yes, yes. DickMorris.com. Yes, yes, yes. Wait, so that actually reminds me, this is also on my

00:52:27.820 notes, which I laughed at because the white house added something to its website today because they

00:52:33.080 wanted to underscore the historic nature of the white house and here it is. Hold on, you've got to

00:52:37.880 hear this. So they put up a major events timeline on the white house website and it now includes

00:52:43.100 sections detailing all the renovations over the decades and also the following. 1998, Bill Clinton's

00:52:50.080 affair with intern Monica Lewinsky. It's on whitehouse.gov, but you can look it up. President Bill Clinton's

00:52:58.360 affair with intern Monica Lewinsky was exposed leading to white house perjury investigation. The

00:53:02.200 Oval Office trysts fueled impeachment for obstruction. 2012, Obama hosting members of the Muslim Brotherhood. 0.88

00:53:11.400 2023, Hunter Biden losing his cocaine in the white house.

00:53:15.420 So good. There's nobody, there's nobody better at trolling than the tripe white, Trump white house. 0.90

00:53:23.320 Nobody. And you want to talk history? Let's talk history. We love the historic nature of the white 0.99

00:53:28.240 house. You missed the best entry on the timeline, which is the trans day of visibility. Yes. Did you 0.94

00:53:32.980 see that one? Yes, that training showing off his boobs on the front of the white house lawn. And they 0.98

00:53:37.880 put that on whitehouse.gov as part of the tour of historical moments. Can never be disturbed. No,

00:53:44.220 no, no, no. But honestly, this all goes back to the media and how if it, if it weren't for people

00:53:48.800 like you in independent media, people wouldn't know these facts. The media is not telling you any

00:53:54.260 of that stuff about the prior renovations of the white house or, you know, how this is actually not

00:53:58.460 a big deal and how Obama spent a lot more on his reno than Trump did on his for something that no one

00:54:02.900 really cared about. And it is thanks to independent media that you, you already know a lot of this.

00:54:08.260 You, you came in knowing a lot of this. And so it's the antidote, you know, that the media has driven

00:54:13.080 people crazy. I think it's had a big role in radicalizing the left and causing this tendency

00:54:18.860 towards political violence. And the antidote, yes, is what we're doing here tonight and what

00:54:24.300 you guys are doing by listening to these shows and what we're doing in independent media to

00:54:28.040 counteract all the lies. Okay. I couldn't agree with that more. It's the experience. Let's just

00:54:37.640 take this East wing example of somebody Googling to try and figure out whether Donald Trump is

00:54:42.400 actually destroying sacred American history. They Google, they read a New York times story,

00:54:46.680 they look on NBC.com or whatever, and they come away thinking, okay, so this is really serious.

00:54:51.920 And then they decide, but these are fairly left. Let me just go and see what other people are saying.

00:54:57.800 And they're like, these things are completely opposed to one another. Like these two point,

00:55:01.720 completely opposed to one another. And so just like for the good of the country,

00:55:05.480 like that experience, we have all had it. We probably all have it like once a week.

00:55:09.300 It is so hard to vote, to make decisions about your own life. I mean, during COVID to make

00:55:15.360 decisions about your personal health, about your kids, about schools, how are people supposed to

00:55:21.160 share any truth anymore? Like you can't do it. So it's desperately needed. All right. We are going

00:55:27.500 to pause it here with Emily. We're going to bring out Glenn and then Emily's coming on back on the back 0.94

00:55:31.520 end. Thank you so much. Love you. All right. Emily Trishinsky, everybody.

00:55:41.300 So let me tell you something about Glenn Greenwald. Okay. I met Glenn years ago,

00:55:45.980 but before we actually met each other, Glenn had been saying nice things about me in the media,

00:55:51.700 even though I was at Fox news and he was at the guardian. Now it's never happened before or since

00:55:57.580 that somebody at the guardian would say something nice about a Fox news person. So he kind of came

00:56:01.660 to my attention and I apparently came to his. And from that moment forward, a beautiful friendship

00:56:06.800 was born. I wound up having him on my show. And when I got into independent media, he was the first

00:56:13.360 guest on my show and he's been on my show more than any other guest. Glenn Greenwald, a leftist,

00:56:21.400 former guardian reporter who happens to be a Pulitzer prize winner and an Oscar winner. Did you know

00:56:28.820 that? Glenn Greenwald has an Oscar. He'll tell us what he won an Oscar for, but he is one of the

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00:57:38.400 Take a look at Glenn Greenwald's show here.

00:57:48.240 There's no wonder that the country hates the media, no longer trust it. These people in the

00:57:52.480 media are held in complete contempt. It just has a stench of like cover up in a way that's

00:57:57.780 very dangerous and deceitful to lie to the public for so many years about the person who has the

00:58:02.020 nuclear codes and what their mental state is. There is not a thing that comes to mind. I don't

00:58:08.000 know. I never thought about that before. I'll get back to you right now and nothing's coming to

00:58:11.220 mind. That is stunning. This is real contempt and hatred in a marriage. The way you're chewing

00:58:17.060 makes me want to smack you upside the head. The only time I ever see clips of a show of 0.97

00:58:21.460 is when you force me to see them. That's why you think you're the Megyn Kelly show godfather.

00:58:24.880 The godfather of the Megyn Kelly show. Exactly. The godfather himself, Glenn Greenwald, everybody.

00:58:45.500 This is the first time we've ever met a person. Can you believe that?

00:58:49.640 Bizarre. Today is the first time.

00:58:51.000 We talked about that the last time I was on your show because in this world you can not meet

00:58:56.980 someone physically and know them so well. We're very good friends. It was bizarre. How do we have

00:59:01.080 a very good friendship and never have met before? So we've rectified that now.

00:59:04.080 So it is funny though how it began, right? Like has it ever happened before or since? A Guardian

00:59:09.880 reporter saying something nice about a Fox News reporter. But in that moment a beautiful friendship

00:59:14.000 was born. We just didn't know it yet.

00:59:15.720 We didn't. It took a few years for us to allow the walls to erode. But no, I remember it was very

00:59:20.600 kind of serendipitous. I was watching Fox and in that era I didn't do that much. I was constantly

00:59:24.980 on MSNBC and CNN. And you had your Fox show and I remember you started interviewing Republican senators

00:59:30.580 and it was adversarial, even a little mean, but very professional, but mean. And for me as someone

00:59:37.720 who was always on MSNBC where Democratic senators are treated like high priests, like the paragons of

00:59:43.220 virtue, never asked a hard question. I said, wait a minute. I kept hearing on Fox that it's

00:59:47.600 this deeply partisan network that only feeds people what they want to hear. And yet here's

00:59:52.480 a 9 o'clock PM host, prime time with big ratings, who's beloved by conservatives, pounding Republican

00:59:58.520 politicians with hard questions the way she's supposed to as a journalist. And yeah, I remember

01:00:03.500 Politico called me when they were doing a profile on you and said, hey, you've been praising

01:00:08.500 Megyn Kelly. That's really weird. You're on the left. She's a conservative. And I said, you

01:00:13.600 know, for me, journalism is way higher for a journalist than partisan affiliation. And

01:00:18.660 she does the sort of thing that I think we need more of and respect. And I remember people

01:00:21.580 on the left were horrified. How can you praise Megyn Kelly? She's a Nazi. And I was like, 0.78

01:00:26.000 what? Megyn Kelly? She's a Nazi? 1.00

01:00:28.100 I was a Nazi before it was cool.

01:00:30.020 Exactly. You were. You were. You were. But yeah, that's what, you know, I think that's

01:00:34.760 one of the things we share that, again, took a while for us to realize.

01:00:37.340 That's exactly right. So the first thing I remember you reached out to me on or you said

01:00:42.320 something publicly on was an exchange I had with then-Vice President Dick Cheney. And

01:00:47.720 actually, we have the soundbite. I don't know. Let's see if this works. We haven't played a

01:00:51.120 sight yet at one of these. Let's see. This is the moment.

01:00:54.340 It's been so wrong about so much at the expense of so many. But time and time again, history

01:01:03.080 has proven that you got it wrong as well in Iraq, sir. You said there was no doubt Saddam Hussein 0.98

01:01:07.000 had weapons of mass destruction. You said we would be greeted as liberators. You said

01:01:11.520 the Iraq insurgency was in the last throes back in 2005. And you said that after our

01:01:16.800 intervention, extremists would have to, quote, rethink their strategy of jihad. Now, with

01:01:21.960 almost a trillion dollars spent there, with 4,500 American lives lost there, what do you

01:01:27.640 say to those who say you were so wrong about so much at the expense of so many?

01:01:34.180 No, I just fundamentally disagree, Megan. You've got to go back and look at the track

01:01:40.900 record. We inherited a situation where there was no doubt in anybody's mind.

01:01:45.520 All right, you get the hint. You see how it goes. But if you heard it, he called me

01:01:50.220 Reagan. So he got rattled. And let me tell you something. I was a little scared to ask that

01:01:55.760 question, too, because Dick Cheney is scary. He's scary. He has all of them for Halliburton.

01:02:01.680 And yeah, he was called Darth Cheney, which is a very appropriate nickname. But they were

01:02:06.920 rattled. You saw them there. Because I don't think people... By the way, this is called journalism.

01:02:12.940 And this is... I think it's so important. You were talking before about how unpopular media is.

01:02:18.820 And it is. Our profession is held in extremely low esteem, deservedly so. In fact, I think 27%

01:02:26.740 is too high. I mean, it's barely above, you know, like syphilis and Congress. And it's deserved.

01:02:32.400 It's below cockroaches. Below.

01:02:34.920 Yeah, exactly. But I think it's so important to realize that when you hate the media, and you know

01:02:41.100 you should because they're so dishonest and deceitful and destructive, journalism remains

01:02:45.480 really important. We need journalism. It's not that we're against journalism. It's we're against

01:02:50.300 people who pretend to be journalists, but who would never do anything like that. And I think that's

01:02:55.340 such an important value to affirm.

01:02:57.020 That's what's so galling to me, is it's like, now I'm in sort of a different business. I'm still a

01:03:01.600 journalist, but now I'm doing a lot more commentary too. And I have nothing but disdain for the people

01:03:06.020 who won't do that. It's not that hard. You don't want to do it. You're kind of hitting your own

01:03:10.860 side. You know that. I mean, I'm on Fox News. I'm well aware of how, like, Roger Ailes at the time

01:03:15.020 feels about Dick Cheney. But you have to force yourself to, because you have, you know, integrity.

01:03:20.840 It's the job that you signed up to do. And you just never see it. Not to toot my own horn, but I'm

01:03:26.220 just saying you don't watch MSNBC and ever see them give their side any sort of guff. And we've really,

01:03:31.600 suffered as a result because like in my lane, I don't have access to people on the left. Leftist

01:03:37.220 politicians won't come on my show. They would never subject themselves to that kind of tough

01:03:40.660 questioning. And the left that does have access won't do it. Yeah. You know, it was funny. I was

01:03:46.360 talking to Emily before, before he came on and we were both talking about how, and I was describing

01:03:52.700 to her, trying to describe to her my worldview. You know, people are always trying to discover,

01:03:56.880 is he on the left? Is he on the right? And I think people have a hard time knowing your

01:04:01.320 ideology with precision either. And for me, you know, I decided to become a journalist,

01:04:06.540 not a politician. I'm not a party operative. I could have been that. I'm not a spokesperson

01:04:10.240 for a politician. I could have been that too, as you could you. I decided to become a journalist.

01:04:14.080 And for me, that entails obligations. And I think the primary view, worldview that I have

01:04:21.260 being a journalist is that it's always dangerous for human beings to have lots of power and lots

01:04:26.940 of money with no pushback, no scrutiny, no journalistic examination. And so whoever has

01:04:32.780 the most power, that's what I'm going to be adversarial to. Not because I dislike them,

01:04:36.440 not because I hate them, not because I want to destroy their reputation, but because our

01:04:39.400 society needs people with power to be accountable, to have to answer hard questions, no matter who

01:04:44.140 it is.

01:04:44.640 It's very hard to do, I have to say, because it's like, I'm so relieved that Trump got elected

01:04:50.260 that I'm completely rooting for him. But you have to be honest about his pitfalls too. And so the way

01:04:57.320 I've handled that on our show is I'll bring on somebody like you who will be very critical of

01:05:01.080 Kilmar Abrego Garcia and how that was handled, for example. And I want the audience to hear your

01:05:05.360 point of view. And I can easily defend Trump on it as I have with you, but I want them to know

01:05:10.440 this actually is controversial. And there's a very robust set of criticisms of Trump here

01:05:15.700 and let the audience hear them. But that too, it's just so rare. Like if you want to hear an

01:05:21.380 actual debate that's substantive between smart people on any place on cable news or broadcast,

01:05:26.500 you can't.

01:05:28.020 First of all, the format doesn't permit it. You know, you have to speak for eight minutes in

01:05:31.940 between commercial breaks. Nobody can have a real debate. People have to speak in cliches. I mean,

01:05:35.800 it's very difficult with that little time. Independent media allows a lot more time. I think we

01:05:39.740 argued about that or about, you know, the student protesters for 20 minutes. I mean,

01:05:43.920 argued in a very, you know, civil sense. And we were able to, you know, immediately after move

01:05:49.080 on to something where we agreed on and not have it affect our friendship in any way. And I think

01:05:52.480 that is what we're missing. But the only reason that works is because, you know, I think I have

01:05:57.840 credibility to do it. I'm somebody who defended Donald Trump when I was very much associated with

01:06:01.420 the lab. New Russiagate was bullshit from the start, just journalistically false. I thought it was a 0.98

01:06:06.660 dangerous scandal. And I went around, you know, saying that everywhere. I mean, I was virtually

01:06:11.620 Tucker's co-host. I was on that show so much, you know, and you're like, wait a minute, what's going

01:06:15.960 on here? Tucker, Glenn girl. But, you know, and I've defended him on his views on Ukraine. So

01:06:21.040 I think when I'm criticizing him, people understand it's not coming from a place of partisanship or

01:06:26.000 reflexive, you know, desire to attack Trump. It's just, and I think this debate inside the MAGA

01:06:32.160 movement inside the right about Ukraine, about Israel, these things are really healthy. You don't

01:06:36.800 want a mindlessly unified population behind a leader. You want people saying, wait a minute,

01:06:42.740 you campaigned on this. I supported you on that. When is this going to happen? And I think the

01:06:48.020 conservative movement has done that as well as anybody, you know, wait, where are the Epstein files?

01:06:53.300 Why is this war still going on? You know, and that is really healthy and important. 0.99

01:06:57.540 That's exactly right. And I think Republicans are very good at infighting. I mean, they're excellent

01:07:01.400 infighting. Much better than the left, which the left sticks together. I have to say, it's

01:07:05.480 like, they get their people in line. That Nancy Pelosi, she rules with an iron 200-year-old 1.00

01:07:10.500 fist. There's something to be admired there.

01:07:13.680 With a very healthy stock portfolio that always increases as she stays in contract.

01:07:17.420 It's amazing how they've called the stocks, almost like an NBA basketball player at a poker

01:07:21.140 table.

01:07:26.360 Very timely.

01:07:27.280 Okay. So tell us a little bit about your background, because you have a very interesting

01:07:31.060 background, Glenn. Tell us how you got into this line of work, because it started with

01:07:35.260 a blog.

01:07:36.280 Yeah. I mean, I was, you know, a lawyer litigating constitutional cases in New York. I wasn't

01:07:41.280 really that interested politically in the 90s. It seemed a little bit low stakes. You know,

01:07:46.540 the Cold War was over. Like, the election in 1996 was Bill Clinton versus Bob Dole.

01:07:52.580 I'm not saying it's unimportant, but who gets excited about that? And, you know, the big

01:07:58.560 scandal was the Monica Lewinsky scandal. It just, I wasn't, I didn't find it nourishing.

01:08:02.700 And I focused a lot on the Constitution, which I revered and still do. But then after 9-11,

01:08:07.080 you know, I was living in New York. I was on, in Manhattan on 9-11. And it was, you know,

01:08:11.560 had all the same emotions as everybody else. Rage and sadness and thirst for vengeance.

01:08:15.220 And then very quickly, I began to believe that this was being exploited by people who had

01:08:21.180 pre-existing agendas to do things like introduce the Patriot Act and warrantless spying on Americans

01:08:27.220 and arresting Americans on.

01:08:28.860 How did you see that? Like, what was it in your recent past that led you, just your love

01:08:33.060 of the Constitution? Because a lot of us saw that and then were quick to defend it because

01:08:36.660 we were scared.

01:08:38.100 Right. And I, like I said, I understood that I shared those emotions. I'm human. I was in New

01:08:42.220 York. You know, I remember walking around for a week and smelling the debris in the World

01:08:47.420 Trade Center and seeing on the lamppost, you know, these desperate families putting up pictures

01:08:51.700 of their loved ones saying, missing, please call if you, and they knew, you know, obviously

01:08:55.240 everybody knew that they were deceased. It was horrific. So I shared those emotions. It

01:08:59.420 wasn't like those were alien to me. But at the same time, I also did believe, and I still

01:09:04.180 do, in this, all the things we're taught to believe as Americans, what makes our country

01:09:08.760 great. It's not that we have this landmass. It's not that, you know, we have a pretty

01:09:12.860 flag. It's that the founders of our country designed this brilliant system designed to

01:09:18.580 avoid the pitfalls of tyranny and authoritarianism that they had just fought an extremely dangerous

01:09:23.120 war against the most powerful empire on the planet to liberate themselves from. They were

01:09:26.820 eager not to replicate it. And I studied these texts, like the Constitution, the Federalist

01:09:31.580 Papers, and these debates, and I believed in them. And so when I saw our government spying

01:09:36.860 on people without warrants and empowering detention with no due process of American

01:09:40.720 citizens on American soil, these were the kind of things I was taught to expect never

01:09:44.600 going to happen in the United States. And yes, I understood people were afraid, but I

01:09:48.000 also knew that authoritarianism resides where people, where governments and people in power

01:09:52.960 can put the population in fear and then tell them, acquiesce to everything we demand because

01:09:58.100 that's the only way you're going to stay safe. And if you dissent at all or you question

01:10:01.440 us, you're going to be endangered and so is your family. It's a very dangerous but powerful

01:10:05.260 form of propaganda.

01:10:07.020 And it worked like a charm.

01:10:09.120 Perfectly, yeah.

01:10:09.640 Like a charm. So you start this blog and you start writing about these issues and let's

01:10:13.820 just go through the time. It was 2013? Was that the day the year of Snowden?

01:10:19.680 Yeah. So the day I started my blog was late 2005 and I got kind of lucky. It was about three

01:10:25.460 weeks. The New York Times broke this big story that they didn't actually even want to publish,

01:10:28.780 but one of the reporters was going to break in the book. So they published it and then won a

01:10:33.260 Pulitzer and patted themselves on the back for their courage. But it was about how right after

01:10:37.320 9-11, the U.S. government authorized the NSA to spy on Americans without warrants. And that became

01:10:41.700 an issue that I wrote about constantly and I was able to build a very big audience that way just

01:10:45.800 because it was a perfect confluence of my interest and passion and expertise as an institutional

01:10:49.200 lawyer. And that became sort of what my specialty was, was critiquing U.S. foreign policy. I was

01:10:56.020 very critical of Bush-Cheney foreign policy, many of the ones that you brought up there.

01:11:00.360 And then Obama got into office campaigning to undo all them, but instead extending many of them,

01:11:05.740 strengthening and expanding many of them. And I started criticizing Obama on the same grounds

01:11:10.860 that I was criticizing Bush and Cheney when they were doing the same things. And a bunch of liberals

01:11:13.700 were saying, we're attacking me. And I was like, wait, four seconds ago, you also thought these

01:11:18.660 things were bad. But now it transformed at the hands of this benevolent, kind, you know, intellect,

01:11:24.120 Barack Obama. You know, I started having getting disillusioned. And at the time,

01:11:28.000 one of my readers was Edward Snowden. And he was working inside the CIA and the NSA

01:11:31.900 and became convinced that there was a lot going on inside the U.S. government about how these

01:11:38.500 agencies were violating their core mission, which was never to turn their machinery inward on the

01:11:43.980 American people. It was supposed to be directed at our adversaries and our enemies. 0.99

01:11:47.040 Lying about it.

01:11:48.060 Right. And there were several war on terror whistleblowers who, you know, said, I worked at the

01:11:53.280 CIA, worked at the NSA. I was always told this is what we're never going to do because it will

01:11:58.360 destroy the fabric of our country. And Edward Snowden was inside the NSA and saw that they

01:12:02.680 were converting the internet, which is supposed to be this tool of liberation and democratization

01:12:07.760 and empowerment of individuals, into the most repressive and omnipotent system of coercion and

01:12:14.840 surveillance ever in human history. And he contacted journalists in late 2012. He contacted me

01:12:19.680 and then my colleague, Laura Poitras, who directed Citizen Four, that won the Oscar.

01:12:24.180 She did a film on our work together.

01:12:25.440 Citizen Four. That's the film for which he won an Oscar.

01:12:27.860 Yeah, we flew to Hong Kong. We flew to Hong Kong and met him. And the minute we got there,

01:12:31.700 she, who's a brilliant filmmaker, she had been nominated for Academy Awards before,

01:12:35.120 she turned the camera on and started filming my work with Snowden. And it became, you know,

01:12:39.360 a documentary that was filmed in real time, not with talking heads, talking retroactively.

01:12:43.200 And that, you know, story, I think, changed the way a lot of people thought,

01:12:46.820 not just about privacy and surveillance, but about democracy. You know, how do we have these

01:12:51.860 unaccountable agencies off in the dark, making some of the most consequential decisions ever with

01:12:57.340 no, no one even in Congress knew, let alone the population. And how do we have democracy if

01:13:01.560 you have this deep state that operates with no accountability?

01:13:06.280 How did the Pulitzer Prize change your life?

01:13:08.000 Um, to be honest, you know, I...

01:13:13.660 Oh, that's nice. That's nice. Thank you.

01:13:16.000 Not easy to win one.

01:13:18.160 It's even tougher to win a Nobel Prize.

01:13:20.000 I was very divided because it's given to you by the media. And I hated the media.

01:13:24.880 Yep.

01:13:25.180 And I was like, wait a minute, why are they bestowing me with awards?

01:13:28.820 But I actually heard and was very happy about the fact that there was a big internal war,

01:13:33.780 because they didn't want to give that to me, but kind of had to. So that made me feel better

01:13:38.200 about getting this, like, shameful, dirty award. 0.91

01:13:40.780 At least I've upset everyone.

01:13:42.780 Yeah, and it's just something nobody can ever take away from you. You know, it's very difficult

01:13:45.740 for journalists to try and deny. You know, I know they do this to you, too. Oh, you're not

01:13:48.960 really a journalist.

01:13:50.060 Yeah.

01:13:50.380 And I'm like, look over here. You know, every journalism award that exists is on the shelf.

01:13:54.860 And I just, that's the only real thing it does for me.

01:13:58.340 Is, yeah.

01:13:59.180 So there was a time when you were out of the country and you couldn't come back?

01:14:03.780 Well, the Obama administration got very threatening, you know, about the Snowden

01:14:07.740 reporting. They, I don't know if you remember, but when the president of Bolivia,

01:14:13.200 Ivo Morales, went to Russia, where Snowden was, but they only went for a state meeting,

01:14:19.620 you know, just like a standard state meeting between heads of sovereign countries,

01:14:23.240 the U.S. just had like an inkling that maybe his presidential plane was picking up Snowden to

01:14:29.200 bring him back to Bolivia, and they downed the plane forcibly. This was, I remember I went to

01:14:33.660 the Russian consulate. I needed a Russian visa. I was going to Russia to see Snowden. And these

01:14:36.980 Russians came, Russians came out and they were like, look, I know why your government hates

01:14:40.740 Snowden. We can't, we wouldn't allow, you know, leaking of our secret information, too. But

01:14:44.860 downing the plane of our president, even to the Russians, they were like, I don't understand this.

01:14:49.120 I was going to say, they're kind of in a glass house there.

01:14:50.720 Yeah, they were, but I mean, it was really, you know, it's a really a step too far. And they,

01:14:54.920 you know, James Clapper and some Republican senators and Democratic members of Congress started

01:14:59.200 openly talking about not just prosecuting Snowden, but also the journalist who worked with

01:15:02.500 them, naming myself and Laura. And, you know, we would call up the Justice Department, our lawyers

01:15:07.080 would, and say, is it safe for them to come back? And they would say, we can't guarantee that safety.

01:15:11.480 So Laura was in Germany working on Citizen Four. And the rest of the stories, she wouldn't leave

01:15:16.100 Germany and I couldn't leave Brazil because the U.S. government was being very menacing. And we only

01:15:20.580 came back once the Pulitzers happened. And we figured the U.S. government doesn't want the black eye

01:15:25.620 publicity putting in prison two people who just won the Pulitzers for reporting.

01:15:30.040 Wow. It's incredible. So flash forward now, that's 2013. Seven years later, you've left

01:15:37.600 The Guardian, you've started your own outlet called The Intercept. It's your concoction,

01:15:42.480 your creation, your vision, and you're making it happen. You're publishing news the way you

01:15:46.160 want it done. And there comes a clash that leads to you leaving the very journalistic organization

01:15:55.320 you founded because they wouldn't let you report honestly on Hunter Biden and Joe Biden.

01:16:04.880 Yeah. I mean, the reason why it was so amazing was when we started The Intercept, and it was

01:16:10.900 myself and Laura Poitras and other investigative journalist, Jeremy Scahill, all of whom had done

01:16:15.820 battle with the deep state and done reporting of that kind. The idea was we want to start a

01:16:20.480 completely nonpartisan media outlet that is adversarial to people in power, especially to the

01:16:25.460 agencies that don't get nearly enough journalistic attention and scrutiny. I think a lot of corporate

01:16:30.120 media outlets were very captive to these agencies, subservient to them, and they exercised great

01:16:34.460 power. And so the idea was we're going to start a media outlet that has no ideology or partisan

01:16:38.400 affiliation. And it worked for a while, and then Donald Trump came in 2016, and we did a lot of

01:16:44.160 reporting on the emails that were released from Hillary Clinton through WikiLeaks because it revealed a lot

01:16:49.940 of incriminating information about this very powerful politician who was the front runner for the

01:16:55.960 2016 election. And I think our editors were all kind of liberals. You know, we hired editors. I wanted to

01:17:00.980 do the journalism, not sit in HR meetings and budget meetings. I wanted to do journalism. They were all

01:17:05.720 liberals in Brooklyn, but they figured, oh, let them go, you know, reporting on Hillary. She's going to win 1.00

01:17:09.760 anyway. And then Trump won. And all their friends said, what is wrong with you? You helped Trump win.

01:17:16.860 You did negative reporting on Hillary. And I remember the night of the election, you know,

01:17:21.100 we had these, like, virtual newsrooms where everyone gathered. And someone said, our coverage,

01:17:27.840 everybody was crying. People were crying. These were journalists crying. I mean, like, sad tears.

01:17:33.480 And somebody came and said, our coverage was very misogynistic, and we need to publicly apologize.

01:17:40.740 Oh, wow.

01:17:41.280 And I was like, go work for the Democratic Party. We're not apologizing for anything. This is our job.

01:17:45.620 This is our role. And then in 2020, I knew the Hunter Biden laptop documents were authentic from

01:17:52.540 the beginning because I had a lot of experience working on big archives. You know, the Snowden

01:17:56.380 archive, WikiLeaks had a big reporting in Brazil that involved a large archive.

01:18:01.500 Also, the pictures made it pretty clear.

01:18:04.020 The way you journalists authenticate archives, yes, the pictures were pretty authentic and pretty

01:18:09.760 good proof. But, you know, the archive has emails written to five people. And you go to one of the

01:18:14.760 people on the email chain, and you say, show me in your phone this email that you got in real time.

01:18:18.460 And they show it to you, and it matches word for word what's in the archive. That's how journalists

01:18:21.480 authenticate. So, I knew for sure these, this archive, and I wanted to report on it. I wanted to

01:18:26.500 get the documents, write about it, because Joe Biden was a major presidential candidate.

01:18:32.240 And my editors, when they realized that I was working on it, came and said,

01:18:35.300 according to the FBI, this is Russian disinformation. And remember, this was a

01:18:43.040 news outlet founded to be adversarial to these security state agencies. And they were telling

01:18:47.700 me, according to the FBI, as though that's gospel, the Biden FBI, this is Russian disinformation. I

01:18:53.140 said, it's so obvious these materials are real. But I knew, they said, there's no way we can allow you

01:18:58.140 to publish this because the material isn't verified. The government claims it's fake.

01:19:02.620 Wow. And I didn't start a media outlet to be told what I can and can't report. And I knew their

01:19:08.360 motives were not journalistic, but political, and I left. You left your own organization. Yeah,

01:19:13.900 I had to quit my own organization because if I can't report on major political candidates because

01:19:18.900 editors want to manipulate the outcome of our politics in one way or another, why would I stay?

01:19:24.200 I can't do what I want to do, much is my job. And that became a reflection of the media writ large.

01:19:31.840 They were so, they renounced completely their journalistic function, would have said or done

01:19:36.840 anything to get Donald Trump defeated. That's what Russiagate was. And then that's what the lie

01:19:43.020 about the Hunter Biden laptop was. They were petrified about what it showed about Joe Biden.

01:19:46.220 So they were willing to lie about it. These are journalists. Yeah. And they're still lying about

01:19:50.980 it to this day. To this day. They don't admit that. They can't admit it because they were all so

01:19:54.960 invested in it. Well, it's like watching, you know, first Kamala, now Karine Jean-Pierre on these book

01:19:59.380 tours and these, the dishonest media, letting them get away with, I, you know, I, I only saw him for

01:20:05.220 a brief time. I, I barely saw him on the plane over to the way to the debate. So I didn't know

01:20:09.040 he wasn't feeling well that night. Like every word of that is a lie. She was the white house press

01:20:13.960 secretary. You were in the white house with him daily for years. You knew he was infirm. You covered

01:20:18.900 it up. It wasn't about the plane ride over to the debate, but these same journalists were in on the

01:20:24.000 whole thing. So they have to give her a pass. It's a dishonest setup. You remember, I'm sure you 0.97

01:20:28.480 remember. Um, and this was, you know, there's so many different events that made me realize the depth

01:20:32.300 of depravity and just deceit within our profession. And we watched Joe Biden on these videos, even

01:20:41.060 before that debate night in France and then having to be got off the stage by Obama. And I remember to

01:20:46.520 this day, the Washington post, the New York times published stories saying the American right or

01:20:50.780 conservatives are using, and they invented this new term. It was, uh, cheap fakes, where it was

01:20:58.880 supposed to be defined as the video is real, but the context is somehow distorted. And one of the

01:21:05.680 things they said that about was the night when Obama led, uh, Obama, uh, Biden off the stage because

01:21:10.520 he was completely, he didn't know where he was. You could see that video, right? They're at that

01:21:14.040 fundraiser and Biden was kind of wandering and Obama like grabbed him by the hand, like put his hand

01:21:18.760 around his back and kind of shepherded him off. He had those vacant eyes that he always had, like,

01:21:22.000 where am I? Yes. And you know, the whole media said, Oh, you're lying. That's not, he was totally

01:21:27.640 present. All the Democrats said he was president. And it turns out George Clooney, of course, after

01:21:31.300 the election is over, admitted that when he wrote that New York times op-ed calling for Biden to

01:21:36.200 withdraw from the race, it was because on that night, even before that thing happened, he saw that

01:21:40.860 there was no more Joe Biden, that it was, uh, there was just, you know, a vacant. But he kept it to

01:21:44.740 himself until after the debate. And let the media call everybody who saw it liars. Yes. George Clooney

01:21:49.700 is a dishonest hack. Who's like a pretend wannabe journalist. Who's not even really very good at 1.00

01:21:55.380 acting. Nevermind at journalists, uh, at journalism anymore. But you know, exactly. They, they kept the

01:22:00.880 secret amongst themselves until it was outed by Joe Biden himself. And I have to tell you, I've been

01:22:05.040 thinking about the Joe Biden mental infirmity lately, because I think so much of what we're dealing

01:22:09.900 with right now as a country is directly linked to that. I mean, I am very much in favor of like

01:22:14.680 the full fledged investigation into exactly how it went down because Joe Biden, he, he was a leftist,

01:22:20.160 of course, but he wasn't one of these far, far leftists. He was always a little bit more moderate.

01:22:24.500 He had been close to a blue dog Democrat. The real left hated Joe Biden. They hated Joe Biden.

01:22:29.860 Exactly right. He, but he was tough on crime. He wasn't pro and open border. Very pro Israel.

01:22:34.640 He wasn't woke. No, not woke. Very pro, pro corporation. Yes. So that hated Joe Biden.

01:22:39.380 So the behavior that Joe Biden brought into office from day one was anomalous to the man that we had

01:22:45.140 come to know as a legislator, you know, as a U S Senator. And I, I firmly believe the reason we have

01:22:52.200 now an extra 11 million illegals is because of his mental infirmity. Someone in that white house had an 0.90

01:22:59.820 agenda that did not match his. And that's who made those decisions. We still don't know the answer

01:23:06.040 to that. It's the, it's, you know, you look at so many media lies, Russia gate, the under Biden laptop,

01:23:10.720 all the lies about COVID. But to me, this is by far the biggest scandal because you have somebody who

01:23:16.300 was in charge of the nuclear codes, someone who can start wars or end wars, somebody who makes

01:23:21.160 decisions that affect the lives of hundreds of millions of Americans, billions of people on the

01:23:25.400 planet, the world economy. And he was incapable of making those decisions. And I remember saying

01:23:31.220 in real time all the time, yes, it's the political scandal that people are lying about Joe Biden's

01:23:35.660 mental state. But the bigger question is who's running the government who is in charge, making

01:23:39.580 these very consequential decisions. And I say person after person taking the fifth in the context of

01:23:44.300 this negotiation, this investigation in them, like including his own personal doctor. It's very

01:23:49.220 sketchy. And I truly think like we need answers on that because look at, look at the number of people

01:23:53.860 who have died as a result of those illegals coming across the border that he just welcomed in for, 0.99

01:23:57.960 for no apparent discernible reason other than it's humane. That's what he said. And encouraging,

01:24:04.400 you know, you mentioned legal immigration, like, okay, technically legal immigration, immigration from

01:24:08.740 Haiti to the tune of tens of thousands who were led in. Like, it's not like the Joe Biden who we knew

01:24:14.600 and somebody made that decision other than him. I'm convinced of it. And that's why the media is so

01:24:18.800 guilty. The original sin, as Jake Tapper put it in the name of his book, the media was in on it.

01:24:23.060 They are complicit. They are equally to blame and they're still misleading to this day. All right,

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01:28:03.660 You guys are not going to believe what is in this book.

01:28:07.160 Okay. Hi, Glenn. Hello, Emily.

01:28:10.520 All right, the gang's all here. So, Corrine Jean-Pierre,

01:28:13.660 you know, not content to just let Kamala look like the dumbest one in the administration. 1.00

01:28:20.840 Writes her own book. Or someone wrote her book. And, you know, we've been talking on the show about 0.99

01:28:25.920 how literally to every promotional appearance she makes, what is she telling people? I'm black.

01:28:32.380 I am black. And queer. Queer, too. Don't forget my queerness. And, in fact, we have that queued up

01:28:40.440 just for those of you who have missed it. Here's a little tasting. This is just for a promo tour.

01:28:44.320 This is not like going back in the archives. This is like literally in the last seven days. Watch.

01:28:47.580 As a black woman, as a person who's also LGBTQ, as a black woman, as a black woman,

01:28:57.920 I am a black woman, I am a queer woman, I am an immigrant. Being a black woman, as a black woman

01:29:04.260 myself, that is the thing that I understood as a black woman is that I meant a lot to people

01:29:11.260 because of the communities that I represented. And whether it was women of color, black women,

01:29:16.380 queer community, LGBTQ community, immigrant. And as a black woman, and I have my queerness, too.

01:29:25.880 It's like talking to Glenn.

01:29:27.880 She's got her queerness. Glenn also has his queerness. He never talks about it. Fine. 0.87

01:29:33.660 You know her race, by the way? Corrine Jumpier's race?

01:29:35.700 Her race? Yeah.

01:29:37.300 She never talks about it. She's very shy about it.

01:29:40.100 She doesn't like attention call to it. 1.00

01:29:42.300 She's Italian.

01:29:43.260 You're not going to believe this. Okay. This is the good, the great Matt Taibbi

01:29:48.960 exposed to this. A few pages later, after this other part, Jean-Pierre described her feelings

01:29:54.780 after Trump won re-election, saying she wasn't surprised at all because America was too racist

01:30:00.120 and sexist to elect Kamala Harris. Finally, these are quotes, about 1 a.m. I tumbled into bed.

01:30:07.460 When I woke up, it was over. Harris had lost. I received calls from friends who were distraught

01:30:13.720 or numb with disbelief. But I wasn't surprised by the outcome. The truth was, I never really

01:30:20.120 believed Harris could win. Well, I mean, none of us did, but she had different reasons. But I,

01:30:26.380 I wasn't surprised. Okay. I never believed she could win. I'd been in the body of a black woman 1.00

01:30:32.420 all my life. She's changing it. I'm not just black. I'd been in the body of a black woman,

01:30:38.500 which sounds a little dirty. I like, that sounds a little naughty, doesn't it? Sounds like something 0.99

01:30:42.880 a husband would say. She doesn't have a husband because of her queerness. I stood at the podium

01:30:47.940 in the White House briefing room, traveled in my chocolate skin, through rural areas,

01:30:57.400 and all my experiences of blistering stares and racist assumptions left me unable to see

01:31:04.160 this country electing a president who looked like me. Black women are tired. We're tired of being used 1.00

01:31:11.220 and overlooked and taken for granted that we will take on the extra tasks at work without pay,

01:31:17.580 assume the lion's share of labor in our communities without fanfare, and do it all without complaint.

01:31:26.680 Indeed, we are leaders in our cities and households, matriarchs who fight for rights and policies that 1.00

01:31:33.820 benefit the whole of society. In 2024, the nation could have finally begun to repay what it

01:31:41.200 owes us, and benefited itself by giving the top leadership role to Harris, who could bring the

01:31:49.780 talents embodied by so many black women to the nation's highest office. That's her latest. That's 0.92

01:31:59.120 basically it in a sum of substance. Her chocolate skin, and she's been in the body of a black woman 1.00

01:32:05.520 forever, and the reason Kamala lost is because we did not want to be in her 0.83

01:32:09.780 black chocolate body with her eyes. I don't know. This is lunacy. We knew she was dumb, but did we 1.00

01:32:20.500 know she was this far gone? Truly. Go ahead. I love that in her mind, the repayment for the treatment 1.00

01:32:29.100 that American blacks have received is Kamala Harris. We deserve Kamala Harris. You owe us Kamala Harris.

01:32:40.880 Oh, no. That's some debt. I remember Trump, during the campaign, went to speak at the

01:32:47.320 Association of Black Journalists, and they brought up the historic occasion of Kamala's candidacy as a

01:32:54.700 black woman, and Trump said, what? Kamala's black? I didn't know she was black. Remember that? And this 0.72

01:32:59.580 was supposed to be super offensive. Like, we were all supposed to be horrified, even though everybody

01:33:03.260 had the same thought. And then what happened was CNN, the next day, went to, like, a barbershop in

01:33:09.400 Philadelphia, which is, like, this white liberal media stereotype of where you go to talk to real

01:33:13.760 black people. We call that Harris country. Yeah, exactly. Harris country. Yeah, and they walk in, 1.00

01:33:18.780 and there's, like, eight black guys sitting, you know, on chairs in the barbershop, like, working

01:33:22.880 class guys. And the reporter comes in, he's white, and he says, hey, Donald Trump yesterday said he

01:33:27.960 doesn't think Kamala's black. Do you think Kamala's black? Of course, expecting to be like, how dare 1.00

01:33:31.980 Trump? And they were all like, hmm. And this is the kind of idiotic politics that Democrats think the

01:33:40.540 country is thinking about, that we relate to each other this way with these divisive categories 1.00

01:33:45.660 everybody has to immediately declare themselves in. And this is such a degraded and primitive way

01:33:50.980 of thinking about humanity and how we relate to one another and the things we care about and have

01:33:54.740 in common. But they, and also, isn't this the same country that elected Barack Obama twice?

01:34:00.220 Yeah, it doesn't count. And, like, made this idiot the White House press secretary. 1.00

01:34:03.260 And made Kamala Harris, who technically is black, our vice president? 1.00

01:34:07.340 Yeah, I mean, if anything, you can make the opposite argument that the people inside the black

01:34:13.100 women's bodies are actually benefiting by virtue of that rather than being impeded. But it's just, 0.96

01:34:19.080 I think people are just so tired of being told that we have to judge each other with constant

01:34:23.480 reference to that. That's exactly right. She didn't get the memo, right? The fever broke with Trump's

01:34:27.260 re-election. And she didn't get the memo that we're done doing that shit. Like, we are done obsessing 1.00

01:34:31.540 over skin color, whether we're black, we're white, we're brown, whatever, we're done. We're done. 0.88

01:34:36.520 The fevers are broken. That stuff's not going to work anymore. But it seems to be what she's saying

01:34:42.320 is the reason she left the Democrat Party. She's mad, allegedly, that they were too mean to Joe

01:34:46.360 Biden. But she also is, the whole book is full of grievance about how the Democrats aren't good

01:34:51.160 to black women. So she's leaving, but she's not going to, she doesn't recommend voting for any 1.00

01:34:55.640 party other than Democrats. But she's going to stand outside as an independent just to shame them for 1.00

01:34:59.680 how they treat black women, but still totally vote Democrat, which sounds right exactly at the 0.90

01:35:04.140 intellect level that I would expect from Corrine Jean-Pierre as a strategy.

01:35:06.900 I mean, I will say something controversial, Megan. But truly, if you look at the people that the

01:35:14.420 Biden administration elevated to check the identity boxes, from Kentonji Brown-Jackson to

01:35:21.560 Kamala Harris to Corrine Jean-Pierre, this is why people have problems with affirmative action.

01:35:28.560 It's because you actually, when you're elevating people purely on the basis of identity,

01:35:34.360 and I say that as a cis-hetero white woman, Megan.

01:35:39.980 Cis-hetero. 0.96

01:35:41.120 It's bad. I mean, it produces bad results. It's a disaster. And it's sadly what people now have

01:35:47.540 to look back as the legacy of the Biden administration.

01:35:49.400 Well, the other problem we have is that, you know, they're obsessed with like their academic

01:35:52.600 pedigree over on the left. We've seen that, right? It's like, I mean, speaking of affirmative action

01:35:56.460 and pedigree, Michelle Obama went to Princeton. Okay. Sheila Jackson Lee, she went to Harvard. 0.97

01:36:03.160 Um, Joy Reid went to Harvard. I mean, right? Don't laugh, Glenn. Need I, need I say more?

01:36:15.020 Joy Reid. And then there's, and then there's another class of leftists that went to these

01:36:19.860 schools and probably actually got in on their own merit, but they are so elitist and such

01:36:25.780 snobs in their coverage. And that brings me to Rachel Maddow. 0.96

01:36:28.780 So she, I mean, we could spend all night talking about when Melita snob she is, but just this 0.96

01:36:35.880 week she was talking about, um, the White House and the renovations. Okay. And you can say a lot

01:36:41.020 about the renovations and I've already read to you some of what people are saying, but listen to this

01:36:44.280 one. Okay. Trump is literally destroying the people's house. He's literally physically tearing

01:36:49.540 down the White House. And now here's my favorite part. This is right on brand for her.

01:36:52.860 He took up parts of the White House lawn to put up huge flagpoles so he could fly

01:36:57.320 novelty size American flags to make it look like it's an RV dealership.

01:37:05.440 Hell yeah. That's Rachel Maddow. Like, Oh, who would be caught dead at an RV dealership? 0.98

01:37:13.380 And she speaks for everyone. There isn't a person consuming her show, which she does once a week

01:37:21.620 for what she makes $30 million a year still that had any reaction to that other than, yeah, ew, 0.54

01:37:28.220 gross, an RV. And that's half the problem, right?

01:37:32.620 Well, and also like the, what made it so gross in her mind was that there are so many American flags

01:37:36.500 there too. Like only like really tacky lowbrow people would fly American flags. And this is the

01:37:43.160 thing, like you may, you, people, the ordinary people like who just go about their lives. Like

01:37:47.740 you were saying, most people are really busy. When I was a lawyer, I barely paid attention to politics,

01:37:50.780 only when I had full time to kind of look at everything I said, but you don't have to know

01:37:54.980 every detail, but people understand when they're being condescended to. People understand when they're

01:37:58.420 being insulted, when they're being judged. And the Democratic Party, which did used to have a lot of

01:38:04.340 worker class, working class representation, they were very close with unions, that was the kind

01:38:09.600 of ethos of the Democratic Party in the middle of the 20th century, became very subconsciously and

01:38:14.660 very explicitly the party of corporations, the party of Ivy League schools. And as a result,

01:38:21.280 they now look down upon, you know, people in car dealerships. And, you know, most of the country

01:38:27.740 feels condescended to and patronized and can just, like, spewed contempt at by liberal elites.

01:38:37.200 And they're getting back what they deserve. They have created that.

01:38:40.420 Yes. Let me ask you a question, because you used to go on MSNBC all the time.

01:38:44.540 I was on Rachel Maddow's show all the time. I had a personal friendship with her.

01:38:48.480 Has she lost her relevance?

01:38:51.700 Well, let's remember, I just think this is so important, is that, first of all, cable news in

01:38:56.640 general as a medium is dying. Yes.

01:38:59.500 The number of people who watch cable news, Fox still pulls in several million people. They tend

01:39:03.960 to be an older demographic. But MSNBC and CNN, I mean, they're irrelevant. You have mid-sized

01:39:11.460 YouTube shows with bigger audiences than they do. And not only that, but you can imagine the only

01:39:17.140 people who watch MSNBC are already drooling, rabid Democratic Party partisans. So even the people

01:39:22.160 they're attracting, they're not convincing of anything. She went on every night and perpetrated 1.00

01:39:28.940 a gigantic hoax. She ratified the Steele dossier. She thought Putin had a pee-pee tape about Trump

01:39:36.180 that he was using to blackmail Trump. She was all in on all the bullshit about Russiagate, 0.99

01:39:42.340 like the whole hoax, the whole fraud. She went on a news network, ostensibly, every night and lied and 0.99

01:39:49.000 got rewarded for it. You know, she said people who questioned the origin of the lab leak, but it

01:39:53.100 came from a lab, are racist. Like the whole litany of lies that people made them hate the

01:39:57.380 media, she was kind of the avatar of. And you're right, she got a reward for it, which was a $30

01:40:03.120 million contract for lying incessantly for partisan reasons as low as you get for a journalist.

01:40:08.780 And honestly, I think it's possible to make a lot of money and still be in touch with regular

01:40:12.240 people, but she's not on the list of people who are. I think she's just gotten so detached from

01:40:16.700 reality, from how real people live, what real people care about. She's ensconced in this liberal

01:40:21.940 bubble. And she's relegated herself down to this one hour a week, which I think is good,

01:40:25.820 because there's not really a standard bearer over there at MSNBC now who they all revere and look

01:40:29.880 up to. And, you know, it'll be interesting to see whether they can even cultivate that now,

01:40:34.740 because they're starting to realize that the relevant lane is digital. They're starting to try to

01:40:38.400 cultivate their own Joe Rogan. The irony, of course, he was of the left. He was a Bernie bro.

01:40:42.660 No. And now they're desperate to create their own sort of presence in the digital lane.

01:40:47.420 But I, for one, I applaud her downfall. And she did it to herself. She sacrificed her credibility. 0.86

01:40:52.980 You know it was lies because she never owned it. She didn't ever come out and say, I was wrong. Let

01:40:57.060 me tell you the truth about Russiagate. She was actively lying. And she was caught.

01:41:00.780 And she still insists that the conspiracy theory she proffered for years is real. I mean,

01:41:05.680 she's, and actually even worse than all of that, she stole Glenn's haircut. 0.99

01:41:10.400 She did. I'm thinking about suing her. My lawyers say I have a very good case.

01:41:14.300 I mean, not for nothing. Another question is, I mean, she's another person who really could

01:41:17.640 stand to be more attractive. I would appreciate if she would try harder to make herself more 0.99

01:41:21.240 attractive.

01:41:21.580 Do you know, though, there's a photo of her, a yearbook photo.

01:41:25.500 Oh, her yearbook picture.

01:41:26.000 Oh, yeah, she was blonde. 1.00

01:41:26.860 She was beautiful.

01:41:27.920 Yes.

01:41:28.100 She has deliberately uglified herself. 0.51

01:41:31.360 Yes.

01:41:31.580 And there's this thing in liberal culture where it's almost like the objective is to

01:41:37.540 not be attractive.

01:41:39.260 Yes.

01:41:39.560 They're nailing it.

01:41:40.720 Even the attractive ones, there are still a few, very few, but there are some, a few.

01:41:43.540 They purposely like make themselves dowdy-er.

01:41:46.760 Yeah.

01:41:47.280 And dirtier.

01:41:49.560 It's like an ethos.

01:41:50.680 Let me ask you something.

01:41:51.460 If you, if you wanted to go, just say, you know, just hypothetically on Halloween as somebody

01:41:56.420 who was at a, a no Kings protest, I mean, like a certain image comes to mind, you'd have

01:42:02.240 to get like the size 10X shirt.

01:42:05.040 You'd have to get like a blue wig.

01:42:09.220 Maybe a nose ring, right?

01:42:11.500 It's like, there's certain, like a uniform.

01:42:13.060 And all I can think of is the one woman who came to the Trump White House recently on the 0.90

01:42:16.520 Antifa hearings.

01:42:18.340 And forgive me, I can't remember her name, but she talked about how she'd suffered from

01:42:21.120 severe TDS, Trump derangement syndrome, and how somehow she managed to get herself out

01:42:25.520 of it.

01:42:25.860 And she talked about how her life got better.

01:42:27.940 She said, dare I say, I even got more attractive.

01:42:32.500 And there's a, there's some truth to that because when you're consumed by hatred, you

01:42:38.120 know, because that's what TDS is.

01:42:39.580 It's like a crazed hatred.

01:42:41.380 Of course you're going to become less attractive.

01:42:43.860 You're angry all the time.

01:42:45.280 You're not like effusing positivity.

01:42:47.460 You're not warm when you see people in the street.

01:42:49.860 You take this all on as your own personal battle.

01:42:52.820 You know, you've got to fight. 1.00

01:42:53.740 He's an evil madman in the White House. 0.99

01:42:55.960 And like at my worst of hating whatever president, I never let it consume me personally because 0.99

01:43:01.440 remaining attractive was too important to me.

01:43:07.160 I mean, counterpoint, Rosie O'Donnell.

01:43:14.600 Never looked better.

01:43:16.200 Never looked better.

01:43:17.460 The cold sore.

01:43:20.220 Oh, you know about her cold sore, right? 0.93

01:43:23.060 She now says she got herpes from Trump. 0.62

01:43:28.360 That the stress of hating Donald Trump somehow gave her a herpes outbreak.

01:43:34.200 I don't think tracks.

01:43:36.240 Not sure.

01:43:36.880 Does it sound right?

01:43:37.480 That's actually how you get it.

01:43:38.420 I have a tip for your Halloween costume.

01:43:40.040 Let me know.

01:43:41.020 Oxygen tank.

01:43:42.640 Walker.

01:43:43.580 Yes.

01:43:43.860 I think that nails the No Kings look.

01:43:46.240 Yes.

01:43:47.280 I think this is going to be very common.

01:43:49.860 You know, we mentioned it last night.

01:43:50.920 And I think it is on my mind.

01:43:52.640 You know very well, sadly, we're going to get some disgusting costumes around Charlie's

01:43:56.820 murder.

01:43:57.460 Mm-hmm.

01:43:58.320 Right?

01:43:58.940 Like we're already seeing that.

01:44:00.080 At the No Kings rally, you saw some people.

01:44:02.060 There was a man who had like fake blood on his face and like a fake neck wound and the

01:44:07.180 Freedom shirt.

01:44:09.140 Yes.

01:44:09.500 I mean, what kind of depraved person, right?

01:44:12.620 And like, it's good to laugh.

01:44:14.520 It's wonderful to be together and be doing this.

01:44:16.300 But like, we actually are suffering from a really serious problem right now in this country

01:44:19.500 and it's coming from the left.

01:44:21.120 No matter what they want to say, that it's both sides.

01:44:23.620 It's not both sides.

01:44:24.480 It's leftist violence.

01:44:25.480 And people who come out and speak at these events, it's a new paradigm.

01:44:31.860 You know, I'm talking about that with security.

01:44:34.060 In the same way that Columbine created a new paradigm where like a new method of killing

01:44:40.600 people was put on display and put in people's heads and changed, sadly, the way kids go to

01:44:46.580 school now.

01:44:48.440 The Charlie assassination has done that too for public speakers and in particular for people

01:44:52.840 on the right.

01:44:53.260 And it's not just people, you know, I know you're not of the right, but like people like

01:44:56.800 us who are in the right wing ecosphere or in the independent ecosphere.

01:45:00.280 Unfortunately, it's for everybody.

01:45:01.640 You know, everybody has to worry.

01:45:02.780 Like three people at that Trump rally got shot.

01:45:05.160 One died.

01:45:06.400 So it's not just, it's also civilians.

01:45:09.040 It's not just people put themselves out there.

01:45:10.220 Yeah, I think if I can just like give us what I think is a little insight into this,

01:45:12.760 which is, I mean, first of all, one of the main reasons I came here, people might

01:45:15.540 know I live very far away.

01:45:16.600 I live in Brazil now.

01:45:17.860 There's a lot of travel.

01:45:18.620 Well, it's precisely because I do think, and I know you had talked about after Charlie's

01:45:21.660 death, like being a little concerned.

01:45:23.460 And I know any of us who do work that's polarizing, that's political, that produces anger has to

01:45:29.280 think about that.

01:45:29.920 Wait a minute.

01:45:30.300 Are we now in a country where, you know, we had assassinations in the, in the 60s, but

01:45:34.660 not very much political violence since.

01:45:36.920 Are we now back to being a country or even worse, being a country where even just you

01:45:41.660 don't have political power, you just have opinions that people dislike, that you can

01:45:45.980 be easily killed, that it's not actually surprising anymore when that, something like that happens.

01:45:52.280 And I think the only solution is to say, we're not going to give into that fear.

01:45:56.400 We're going to come and be in as many places as possible.

01:45:59.700 And I know that's why you did your tour.

01:46:02.120 We're going to flood the field.

01:46:02.920 But I do think, look, the thing is, every political faction produces violence.

01:46:08.200 And we talked about this, like in the 90s, there were abortion, murder doctors, murders

01:46:12.920 of abortion doctors.

01:46:13.640 People tried to blame Bill O'Reilly because he was pointing out abortion doctors, including

01:46:16.760 one who was killed.

01:46:17.860 And you would think we have to be careful not to say a certain ideology inspires that.

01:46:21.820 But it is nonetheless true.

01:46:23.760 And this is something that came from the Trump era, is that on the left, people started insisting

01:46:28.860 and then believing that not only Donald Trump, but all of his followers, 0.99

01:46:32.920 are fascists and white supremacists and racists and Nazis. 1.00

01:46:37.880 And along with that, there was an accompanying discourse that said, it's good to kill Nazis, 1.00

01:46:44.220 by which they now mean conservatives. 0.97

01:46:47.340 And if some left-wing figure dies, you'll be able to find a few scattered people on the

01:46:51.220 right making fun of it or celebrating it.

01:46:53.700 But this was way more than that.

01:46:54.920 This is now the predominant sentiment among a lot of people on the left, that the world is

01:47:00.580 better off when conservatives die or people who like Trump die or Trump himself dies, even

01:47:05.140 if they're being slaughtered in the most horrific way, a 31-year-old man or a husband, a father 0.97

01:47:10.280 of two young children.

01:47:11.520 They look at that and there's no humanity.

01:47:13.680 There's no soul.

01:47:15.160 They've been feeding on this discourse of hatred so intensively and consistently.

01:47:19.060 Social media pours it into their head that it is scary to watch so many people, such a major

01:47:26.380 part of a political movement, be so dehumanized that they deny people's humanity.

01:47:31.480 Down that road lies very dark things.

01:47:34.140 I mean, so what do we do about that?

01:47:36.260 Truly, like if you gave me a magic wand and say you can just remake the country with this

01:47:40.720 magic wand, the first thing I'd have everybody do is go to church.

01:47:44.220 Get them all back to church.

01:47:46.840 Get religion back into the public square in the way it was when this country was founded. 0.97

01:47:51.720 But they're so lost, they don't believe in a higher power.

01:47:54.860 They only believe in themselves, like the power of their own id, which is a very damaging,

01:47:59.460 dangerous place to be.

01:48:01.040 So I don't know how to reach them.

01:48:02.620 You know, the right tends to be more religious, tends to be more of a group of faith, especially

01:48:05.880 the modern day right versus the modern day left.

01:48:08.260 How do we reach these people who are not only, let's say, born into families that are all

01:48:12.660 about, like, transing my three-year-old because he had made some errant comment, but TDS-ing

01:48:18.580 them and getting them to cheer the possibility of a presidential Trump death, a President 0.84

01:48:22.240 Trump death.

01:48:23.060 But then they send him to schools with the likes of Lucy Martinez, big chungus, as Jesse 1.00

01:48:27.300 called her last night, who's like the one who is pretending with the, you know, at the

01:48:32.020 No Kings rally, like celebrating Charlie's death.

01:48:34.320 So the whole thing is this indoctrination faction, the factory, that's meant to radicalize

01:48:39.440 them.

01:48:39.640 How do we reach them?

01:48:41.380 How do we, are we supposed to stop that?

01:48:43.660 I think one of the most powerful things, and it's a hard question, but I think one of the

01:48:47.800 most powerful things is just people who aren't of that ilk, who haven't lost their minds yet,

01:48:55.300 going into places, we were talking about this backstage, Glenn, going into places where

01:48:58.720 people have lost their minds and showing the contrast between what it looks like to be

01:49:03.760 and Charlie was very good at this, what it looks like to be an absolutely insane person

01:49:09.140 who is not coping well with reality.

01:49:12.580 And then juxtapose that with someone like Charlie, who is a man of faith, who is normal,

01:49:16.440 who is happy, who actually approached a lot of those conversations joyfully and with compassion.

01:49:21.960 And that to me is really, really powerful, at least in my experience.

01:49:25.220 It's like that, just going into those spaces so people can see light and dark.

01:49:31.200 That's amazing.

01:49:32.180 I mean, that's very powerful.

01:49:33.360 Yes.

01:49:33.600 I have to say, I also think something that we've been talking about, we talk about all

01:49:38.240 the time when you guys come on the show, we talk about your own shows, and we're talking

01:49:40.680 about it tonight.

01:49:42.020 I have to say, I do blame in large part the media.

01:49:47.020 Right?

01:49:47.900 Absolutely.

01:49:48.500 I really think they have unclean hands when it comes even to Charlie's death, because what

01:49:55.560 did you hear from all those No Kings protesters over the weekend?

01:49:58.160 You heard, Charlie was terrible.

01:50:00.020 He said terrible things. 1.00

01:50:01.600 He was a racist. 1.00

01:50:02.360 He was a Nazi. 0.99

01:50:03.920 We heard that from so many of those little clips that we played on our show and elsewhere.

01:50:07.620 Where did they get that idea from?

01:50:09.420 Not from listening to Charlie.

01:50:10.560 They got that idea from the media, which tried to paint him with that brush.

01:50:15.340 And so I almost feel like a huge part of the antidote to this madness is what we're doing

01:50:21.460 now.

01:50:22.100 It has to be a long game, that we're not going to solve that overnight, even though Arlene is

01:50:26.060 so powerful and we're taking down the mainstream bit by bit easily with MS and CNN, but they're

01:50:30.860 still there.

01:50:31.400 But until they are destroyed, until they're destroyed as networks of propaganda and misinformation

01:50:38.400 and our lane of truth-telling and of individuals, right?

01:50:43.380 Like, you can go, you can get a Jesse Kelly whose show is called I'm Right, you know?

01:50:48.560 He's a moderate man.

01:50:49.840 Yeah.

01:50:50.040 Or you can get somebody who's more moderate.

01:50:51.460 You can get somebody who's of the left but has got more heterodox views like you.

01:50:55.040 Or of the right but more heterodox views for righty.

01:50:57.680 And I'm sort of all over the place.

01:50:59.480 But you can get that in this lane.

01:51:01.380 You can get real facts.

01:51:02.380 That's the only antidote to where, like, the disinformers are gone. 1.00

01:51:08.840 Of course, I do not mean dead.

01:51:10.720 I mean off the air and no longer able to spin these lies about our people, right?

01:51:18.220 Like, our words will stand for themselves.

01:51:19.860 They'll speak for themselves.

01:51:21.100 The clips will speak for themselves.

01:51:22.440 There won't be this act of manipulation and attempt to stir up hate around us all the

01:51:26.920 time with very vulnerable, unwell people.

01:51:29.840 Yeah, but I think that's the key is this last part.

01:51:32.860 I mean, I do think, and this may sound naive, but I don't think it is, that Americans are

01:51:37.800 fundamentally decent.

01:51:39.480 I don't think people go off on this psychotic, like, dehumanized path on their own.

01:51:45.960 And I think one of the things that has happened is, and we see this in Dishya all throughout

01:51:49.880 our society, you know, suicide rates are way up, addiction is way up, alcoholism, depression,

01:51:55.800 you know, mental health problems.

01:51:57.400 And I think it's because of this spiritual disconnect.

01:52:01.000 People don't have spirituality in their lives.

01:52:02.580 They don't have connection.

01:52:03.340 They don't have community.

01:52:04.280 All the things that used to make America connected, you know, churches, religion, union halls,

01:52:10.240 gatherings in small towns, these things are largely gone.

01:52:13.480 We live in this very digitalized age.

01:52:15.640 COVID exacerbated it greatly, isolated people even more.

01:52:19.980 And in that, you know, without spirituality emerges nihilism.

01:52:23.560 And nihilism is very easily exploited.

01:52:25.600 You know, you don't have to, we always have disagreed with each other vehemently.

01:52:30.360 That's America.

01:52:31.040 You know, that person has terrible ideas.

01:52:32.540 But we still see them as human beings.

01:52:34.640 That's what's being lost.

01:52:35.760 And it's a deliberate campaign to encourage people to lose their humanity.

01:52:39.340 And I think there's a lot of deep-seated problems in our country that enables that

01:52:44.340 kind of thing to fester.

01:52:45.620 And I think it's important that we think about that as well.

01:52:48.540 I do think, because I've heard this said on the right, I've said it as well.

01:52:52.000 Well, you know, to your point, we had a guy like that, and they killed him.

01:52:55.780 You know, we had a guy who went into the spots, into the spaces, and said the things,

01:52:59.280 and was reasonable, and talked to the other side, and showed the example of what faith

01:53:02.420 can do for you, how it can save you, how it can, how God never rejects any of his children,

01:53:07.280 and he still believes in all of us.

01:53:09.280 And they killed him.

01:53:10.420 But just because Charlie was murdered does not mean all of the left wants to murder us.

01:53:18.960 And it doesn't mean that they're not reachable.

01:53:21.520 And I feel like we owe it to Charlie to recognize that the youth in particular, who are very misguided

01:53:27.080 right now, very lost, and in some cases dangerous, are gettable.

01:53:32.860 That was his fundamental belief, that the right had seeded the fight for their hearts and minds,

01:53:38.660 and that that was a mistake.

01:53:40.860 And so he went in there to fight to win them, and I think we have to do the same. 0.99

01:53:44.920 We have to not say, they're all crazy, they all want to kill us. 0.99

01:53:49.000 No. 1.00

01:53:50.040 They're gettable.

01:53:51.360 They're winnable.

01:53:52.600 And we have to continue reaching out to them, and not demonize all of them with the same

01:53:56.260 broad brush as the one we use on the Lucy Martinez's of the world.

01:53:59.920 Yeah, I mean, one of the things that Charlie tapped into, and Ben Shapiro does this too,

01:54:08.440 is this moral relativism has left young people starving.

01:54:15.160 And they know that they're hungry.

01:54:17.320 Like, they know that they're starving.

01:54:19.280 They know they're looking for something.

01:54:21.720 And that can be directed in some really bad ways, in some really good ways.

01:54:25.500 And they've exported so much of their lives onto the internet, thanks to some really bad

01:54:30.460 people who actually encouraged us to reshape our society by exporting our lives onto the

01:54:35.020 internet.

01:54:35.800 And the incentives there are towards rage.

01:54:39.140 The incentives there are towards, like, categorizing people in one direction or the other.

01:54:44.080 And you get sucked into part of this, like, computer program, and our politics gets sucked

01:54:49.340 into it too.

01:54:50.380 And the more you just get off the internet and talk to normal people, the more that you

01:54:55.400 realize it's okay to not categorize someone who has really what you think are really bad

01:55:00.160 ideas.

01:55:01.000 But just talk to them.

01:55:02.080 Talk to them about baseball.

01:55:02.980 Talk about something else.

01:55:03.840 And it sounds so cheesy.

01:55:04.760 Right, non-politics.

01:55:05.640 Yeah, it sounds so cheesy.

01:55:06.800 But, like, people are really gettable because they are starving for moral clarity.

01:55:12.080 And if you can provide that, people's discontent can be channeled very productively.

01:55:18.200 I just want to end with this story because I told it on the show one day, but a lot of

01:55:24.200 people haven't heard this.

01:55:29.520 You speaking up for what you believe in, you saying the things that we've been saying

01:55:33.800 tonight and that we talk about on the show and these truths that are hard truths, but we

01:55:37.880 all believe them, right?

01:55:38.820 Like, a man can't become a woman. 1.00

01:55:39.960 And, like, we are not, we refuse to be boiled down to our skin color.

01:55:44.640 Like, we have way more in common than we do that separates us, despite whatever our

01:55:48.200 melanin is, to take a couple for an example.

01:55:52.440 You just saying those things, being honest about those things, like the young woman who 0.91

01:55:55.780 came up, like, yes, say what's real.

01:55:57.560 Like, stand up for yourself, even though they're trying to make you play or face off against

01:56:01.520 a male.

01:56:03.200 We'll make a difference.

01:56:04.100 And even though you might not always hear about it, you might not always know, you might

01:56:07.840 feel like you're, you know, screaming into the wind, you might feel like this is causing

01:56:11.260 you hatred, like people are coming to loathe you or think terrible things about you.

01:56:17.160 You can think all that, but, you know, our minds tell us these negative stories.

01:56:20.260 Remember this.

01:56:20.880 I got an extraordinary message from someone who has not given me permission to say where

01:56:27.660 he works, but it is at a very anti-Trump organization.

01:56:31.880 And this person gave me a very heartfelt multiple paragraph message about his child who was saying

01:56:40.220 that they are trans.

01:56:41.280 And how this person of the left secretly has been listening to my show and to our guests

01:56:50.700 saying what is real and what's really going on with these children and how this issue ought

01:56:55.280 to be handled and what is possible and what's not possible and what's happened in the medical

01:56:58.560 community with the capture and so on and so forth, and has been saying to themselves,

01:57:02.640 oh my God, I'm on the wrong side.

01:57:04.340 God, this woman and the people who come on her show are fighting for my kid and I can't 0.80

01:57:12.060 because I'm with this organization that's on the other side.

01:57:15.480 I need to pay my bills and continue getting this check, but I can see and I can hear that

01:57:20.660 these people who my organization demonizes for a living are in the right and are going to

01:57:27.280 save my kid.

01:57:29.680 And think of how brave it was for this person to say that to me, right?

01:57:33.160 And I wrote them back a very long note too, but it was a reminder that even if you don't

01:57:39.360 get snaps, you don't get pats on the back, some people are going to say nasty things about

01:57:44.140 you on the internet, whatever, you are helping people if you stick to what's real, to what's

01:57:50.720 true, whether it's your family, the truth, freedoms, or your faith, right?

01:57:58.660 Because there is such a thing as the silent majority, and what the studies show is that

01:58:02.900 if the one person in the room will stand up, raise his hand, or raise her hand, and say

01:58:06.520 what's real, so many other people in the room feel the same.

01:58:10.160 They're so glad you said the thing.

01:58:12.180 So, as I said to the one woman, sit in the front row of your life. 1.00

01:58:16.200 Be the person who says something.

01:58:17.500 The fact that you're here shows me you can and will do it.

01:58:20.520 And God bless you all for that.

01:58:21.920 Thank you so much for having us, San Antonio.

01:58:24.560 We love you.

01:58:25.820 We hope to see you again soon.

01:58:28.400 God bless you.

01:58:31.520 Thank you, Emily.

01:58:32.420 Thank you, Glenn.

01:58:36.320 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. 0.94

01:58:38.220 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - October 27, 2025

Glenn Greenwald and Emily Jashinsky - ＂Megyn Kelly Live＂ from San Antonio, on No Team Jerseys, Israel, and the Left's Obsession with Race ｜ Ep. 1180

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