The Megyn Kelly Show - Golden Globes Jokes Bomb, New Jeffrey Epstein Docs, and Antisemite of the Year, with Maureen Callahan and Liora Rez

00:00:00.620 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:11.980 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.060 On this Monday, we're bringing you a full show live from the studio today.

00:00:18.820 Later, we're going to have the executive director of Stop Antisemitism.

00:00:22.620 You know, the group that found all those viral videos of antisemites

00:00:26.040 or people behaving in a way that could be interpreted as antisemitic.

00:00:28.940 In America, immediately after this terrorist attack on October 7th,

00:00:33.420 she's going to be here to reveal their antisemite of the year for 2023.

00:00:39.360 So many candidates to choose from. The nominations were very tight.

00:00:42.340 But there was a clear winner, and I think you're going to agree with who it is.

00:00:45.800 First, though, we've got one of my very favorite writers and people joining me right here,

00:00:50.440 Maureen Callahan of The Daily Mail. And it's a great day for Maureen.

00:00:53.420 We've got Jeffrey Epstein, Meghan Markle, Mehdi Hassan. He's fired. Well, out. Plus,

00:01:01.960 the Golden Globes last night. So much to get to. Maureen, welcome back. Great to have you.

00:01:05.740 Thank you so much for having me, Meghan.

00:01:07.180 Okay, but we have to start with Lloyd Austin.

00:01:09.000 Yes, please.

00:01:09.580 The MIA defense secretary, who now we learn that he was completely out of commission. He had some

00:01:17.520 sort of elective procedure a week ago, and something went wrong. It got infected. They're

00:01:23.660 not telling us what the procedure was, but something went wrong to the point where on New Year's Day,

00:01:28.160 he had to go into the intensive care unit, and no one knew. The national security advisor didn't know.

00:01:36.720 The White House didn't know. And while they're now saying that the deputy defense secretary was told

00:01:42.800 she was in Puerto Rico sunning herself on the beach, no one domestically was here and in charge.

00:01:51.720 And there's a real question about whether we were endangered for the past week because the defense

00:01:56.740 secretary was too embarrassed to tell people he had some sort of a procedure that went wrong.

00:02:01.020 I, I am amazed that this is considered something voluntary, right? Is it that you have a job of

00:02:11.880 this import and the world is on fire? Biden is off sunning himself in the Caribbean. Your number two

00:02:20.600 is off sunning herself in Puerto Rico, does not know you're in the hospital, is just informed you're

00:02:26.140 taking over for the moment. And we still don't know. We only learned this on Friday, right? So

00:02:33.240 the White House owes the American people quite an explanation for how all of this went down.

00:02:42.280 I've also read reports that the White House has said somebody's head is going to roll,

00:02:47.000 but it won't be Austin's and it won't be his number two. So who will it be?

00:02:51.700 Here's what's crazy. Uh, they're saying that it was Austin's chief of staff. I think it was who

00:02:58.000 was responsible for telling everybody at the Pentagon that this was going down, but she was

00:03:01.960 ill. She wasn't feeling well, Maureen. Oh, well, you know, there is something going around Megan

00:03:05.880 really stubborn. There are 30,000 people at the Pentagon. They couldn't find one person to make

00:03:10.020 a phone call for her so that the White House was briefed. You're also telling me this guy

00:03:13.860 did not have access to his phone was not checking email. I mean, how many of us can go for an hour

00:03:19.820 without our phone? We're not the head of security. This is suspicious. That's the bottom line is

00:03:24.320 there's no way both Austin and his spokesperson or chief of staff. I've got to look up which one it

00:03:29.740 was, was so incapacitated to the point where they couldn't communicate the fact that he was in the

00:03:35.620 intensive care unit while we have all this stuff happening in the Middle East, Ukraine. You know,

00:03:41.800 our troops are getting involved now in the Red Sea and they couldn't bother. There's something

00:03:47.120 suspicious. Something's definitely going on. And that's what's leading people to say they've got

00:03:52.460 to do something. Yeah, it was chief of staff who did not get in touch with anybody at the Pentagon

00:03:55.600 other than one phone call to the deputy. But there is a duty to let the chain of command know the

00:04:01.100 national security advisor should have been advised. The president should have been advised.

00:04:05.620 But there's no question. There's no question. You know, Colin Powell went in in 2003

00:04:10.040 for prostate cancer for an operation. That's not nearly as, you know, grave. It didn't put him in

00:04:18.240 the ICU, but he alerted everyone who needed to know. And there were processes in place in case

00:04:25.560 something happened. This is how an orderly system of government works. And I think that the problem

00:04:32.200 going forward is going to be this all blends into the narrative that we've got a White House being run

00:04:37.740 by somebody who is napping half of the time. Yes, that's exactly right. He's been absentee,

00:04:44.160 right? I mean, it's where's the leadership? You have to imagine, first of all, the press coverage

00:04:48.980 of this whole thing would be very different had it been Trump and Trump's secretary of defense.

00:04:53.700 That person would have a five figure book deal. Yeah, true. That's exactly right. And the media would

00:04:58.780 have been absolutely unforgiving. Second of all, you have to imagine that somebody's going to have to

00:05:05.260 get fired. I mean, because what we're hearing right now is reports out of the White House that Biden

00:05:08.760 spoke with Austin and said, gee, I hope you feel better. Look forward to you getting back to work

00:05:12.880 at the Pentagon, that he's not going to be the one to get fired. How can he not be fired? How can it?

00:05:18.780 I'm sure he likes Lloyd Austin. Lloyd Austin made a screw up the level of Saturn. And if there's no

00:05:25.440 accountability, someone's going to pay politically. And that person's probably going to be Joe Biden.

00:05:30.920 Yes, rightly so. I don't know. I mean, I don't know how you don't punish Austin for this. I don't,

00:05:38.920 you know, there's reports that he was very close to Beau Biden. And this sort of seems to be Biden's

00:05:44.000 Achilles heel. Those around him who are close to him, who aren't up to what they should be capable of,

00:05:52.520 or they are dragging him down in some way. See, Hunter, et cetera, et cetera. And he sort of seems to

00:05:58.040 operate with this sort of like mafia-like kind of loyalty towards those who maybe are dead weight.

00:06:05.980 I mean, this is if the White House press room is not on fire this afternoon about this, if everyone

00:06:11.720 from every outlet, left, center, right, is not pressing the White House press secretary as to

00:06:18.180 what happened, how, where is Austin now? What did he have? How is his recovery going? Who is in charge?

00:06:25.420 What if something happened last week? Yeah. They're saying they don't want to reveal what

00:06:31.320 the original procedure was that went south and landed him a couple of days later in the ICU

00:06:37.920 because the administration is saying because, you know, of HIPAA. Okay. With all two, I don't give a

00:06:45.780 shit about HIPAA. I give a shit about what's happening in the Middle East and me and my kids,

00:06:51.300 my country and why we weren't being protected because Lloyd, I don't know now, but not telling

00:06:57.360 us is only going to lead to speculation about hair transplants, penile implants, weight loss surgery.

00:07:03.020 That's what the internet's doing right now. Sure. He should just tell us. It would be far less

00:07:07.460 embarrassing. Of course, if you have a duty, there's a reason you don't have to tell your

00:07:12.960 viewers every year that you passed a physical and that you are cognitively intact, but the president

00:07:19.080 of the United States must do so. And we all see what we see. We see a president who is not

00:07:25.020 cognitively intact. We see a president who does not have the energy and this is going to help Trump.

00:07:32.620 All of this. Yeah. You know, there was that report that Obama had to come to Jesus meeting with Biden

00:07:37.400 and his top advisors and said, you've got to get energized. You've got to take this seriously.

00:07:41.880 They're very, the Obama camp is very worried about the direction of the Biden campaign.

00:07:45.220 They should be. Yeah, they should be. And they're sleepwalking right into.

00:07:50.180 Well, think about it. The both like the most devastating moment in Biden's presidency thus

00:07:55.200 far was definitely August of 21. The disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan. Yes. Involving the

00:08:01.260 same player. Yes. And it what did it show? Weakness, fecklessness by the sitting commander in chief.

00:08:08.000 And now here we are again, where his right hand man, when it comes to national defense,

00:08:12.600 has completely blown him off and disrespected the chain of command. That's very clear.

00:08:18.500 And because he was close to Bo or for some other, cause he likes the guy, right? He's now going to

00:08:24.040 give him a pass. At least that's what the administration's first telegraph has been

00:08:27.380 that they spoke that Biden was very chummy with him and says, he's look, he's looking forward to him

00:08:33.080 coming back. If there, if, if, if we don't see heads roll over this and it really needs to be Lloyd

00:08:38.260 Austin's head, I'm sorry, with all due respect, I'm sure he's a nice man. I don't care. Um, it just,

00:08:43.240 it feeds into the narrative that this is a feckless commander in chief who let us once again

00:08:47.660 be vulnerable and exposed because he doesn't, for one thing, scare anybody.

00:08:53.320 I think two things, maybe we should get Bill Ackman on this.

00:08:58.220 Yes. Number two, you're absolutely right. That withdrawal from Afghanistan

00:09:03.180 sent the world a very clear message, which is that we are back on our heels.

00:09:07.900 We're becoming a bit more isolationist. We don't really care. We botched it so badly.

00:09:14.100 And it's no accident that ever since then, that region of the world has been on fire.

00:09:21.080 And there is a part of this country that I think I used to think that if it were Trump Biden in 2024,

00:09:28.900 it would be Biden by a hair, but now I really think it might be Trump. And I think it might be

00:09:35.340 Trump because we know that the world no longer fears us. And that is a terrifying place to be.

00:09:41.200 Yeah. At least with Trump, we had the advantage of, I mean, because after eight years of Obama,

00:09:45.100 they did not fear us. I mean, yes, he took out bin Laden, but come on, any sitting president would

00:09:49.640 have unleashed that mission if given the data that we were given by that CIA woman. Um, but in any event,

00:09:55.600 after eight years of Obama, I don't know that they feared us. Then Trump got in there and whether

00:09:59.320 they feared us or just feared his instability, which was a smart fear, given what we did to

00:10:03.680 Soleimani, it worked to our advantage. Then we go back to Biden, where we gave the farmer away

00:10:08.780 nearly as soon as he took office and we've never recovered. We've never recovered from it. And now

00:10:12.960 this just plays into the whole narrative that he's absentee. He was disrespected by his secretary

00:10:18.000 of defense. And for the sake of the nation, he can't allow it. And Lloyd may be a very nice guy.

00:10:22.700 I hope whatever procedure he had works out to Lloyd's advantage and he recovers from the ICU stay,

00:10:28.300 but he has got to go. So we'll, we'll see. Uh, and the campaign is another hot mess, which we will

00:10:34.560 get to. Oh, hold on a second. One second. We've got some news coming in on this. Um, oh, this is from

00:10:40.660 the, the white house gaggle, uh, where they get to shout questions at the administration. This is to

00:10:45.800 John Kirby. Who's, you know, the guy they put in when they need a serious answer, not green jump here.

00:10:50.780 There was just a report last week that green jump here hates him. I'll bet

00:10:54.600 get better. And then they won't need him. Um, okay. The question, does the president know

00:11:01.220 what elective surgery Austin has, even though the American people do not, do not know Kirby.

00:11:06.660 I don't know the level of president of the president's personal knowledge of this medical

00:11:10.400 situation. Should the American people have confidence in defense secretary Lloyd Austin,

00:11:14.880 given his lack of transparency, green jump here also was there. The president continues to have

00:11:19.640 complete confidence. Last but not least, uh, John Kirby, uh, let's see on defense secretary

00:11:26.980 Lloyd Austin being incapacitated for days without telling anyone quote, as you might expect, we'll

00:11:31.340 take a look at process and procedure here and try to learn from this experience and hope

00:11:37.860 it blows over or some other story dominates the news cycle. And we can just sweep this away.

00:11:42.900 It's shocking. You know, the other thing I was thinking about while you were talking about

00:11:47.600 Biden and this sense that, you know, everything feels asleep at the wheel is you, you conflate

00:11:54.920 all of this. You, you know, I was listening to governor Abbott this weekend on one of the Sunday

00:11:59.560 shows and the crisis at the border and what's going on in New York and New Jersey, where they're

00:12:05.240 shipping migrants here. And it's just, this is, this contributes, I think to this entire sense that

00:12:12.860 this administration is chaos. It is chaos. Nobody is in control. You are a hundred percent, right?

00:12:19.920 If you had a number two who just sort of took off for a week and didn't tell you,

00:12:25.320 and then it turned out they were in the hospital and then it turned out they were gravely ill.

00:12:30.220 You're in the ICU for a reason and you don't know. And as president, you say that there are

00:12:36.080 reasons that that would be acceptable. Right. And then you say, why didn't anybody tell me?

00:12:41.240 And the guy says, oh, I told my chief of staff to tell you. And well, why didn't she? Well,

00:12:46.020 she didn't feel well. I see. And therefore she didn't think it was okay to tell the president of

00:12:50.700 the United States. She couldn't manage it. Like think of the sickest you've ever been. Right.

00:12:54.760 Unless she was also in the ICU. Right. It's totally and utterly inexcusable. And even then,

00:13:00.440 he would have known that and he would have told somebody else, make sure that the NSA is involved.

00:13:04.720 Make sure the White House knows there's something else happening here. I'll give you a couple quotes

00:13:09.780 from Mark Thiessen, who I love. He's at AEI now, but he used to work for the secretary of defense

00:13:13.720 and the Bush administration, among other questions he's asking. How is it that with hundreds of

00:13:19.260 attacks on U.S. forces in Iraq, Syria and the Red Sea and wars raging in Europe and the Middle East,

00:13:24.020 that the president and his top advisors went three days without speaking to the secretary

00:13:29.760 of defense point. Right. He said, this is as embarrassing for the White House as for the

00:13:34.580 secretary of defense. Like, good point. Why aren't we in touch with the sec deaf while all this stuff

00:13:39.080 is going down? And does it raise real questions about really, again, who is at the wheel?

00:13:44.480 Is anybody? Does anybody? I mean, do you all I have a sense of in terms of this administration

00:13:52.120 and their engagement with the Israeli-Palestinian crisis is that they would like Israel to dial it

00:13:57.780 back. That's all we really know. That is astonishing to me. We still have at least eight American

00:14:05.460 hostages, I believe, over there. 140 hostages in total. And it seems like the world now just shrugs.

00:14:11.800 That's the perfect transition. And it's a weird one, but it works to the Golden Globes last night

00:14:16.620 because you and I both know how many of these have we sat through where we saw the little Ukrainian

00:14:22.320 ribbon or we saw the pink ribbon or we saw the black ribbon for me, too. They couldn't muster one.

00:14:30.180 Right. Like, where was the massive outpouring of support and speeches for what's happened to

00:14:36.100 Israelis and to the eight Americans who are still being held? Nothing. It was shocking to me.

00:14:41.220 You know, with me, too. Remember all those actresses dressed up in black that year?

00:14:46.880 And last year, the sort of chic cause was refugees. And a lot of people wore blue ribbons.

00:14:54.540 Right. Just world refugees, no matter the political strife, what have you.

00:14:58.960 Right. Just in general.

00:15:00.260 In general, refugees were pro them. OK.

00:15:02.800 Israel. Israel. There was a great report in the Ankler in the weeks and months leading up to the

00:15:10.240 Globes, which is already kind of on life support in terms of cultural relevancy.

00:15:15.220 Were these actors and actresses going to wear yellow ribbons in support of Israel or in support

00:15:21.840 of the hostages? And this was a major crisis, a major crisis debate, the debate. And what you saw

00:15:29.260 last night was nothing. Right. Nothing. You know, think about like Meryl Streep.

00:15:34.420 You know, remember, I forget whether it was before or after Trump was elected, but she got up and she

00:15:39.600 gave this huge speech about bullies. Yeah. And she was applauded like the second coming. Not a word

00:15:46.860 last night. Not a word. It just it's it tells you everything. I feel like most of them.

00:15:53.900 I maybe I'm just being too optimistic in the face of all the anti-Semitism we've seen, but

00:15:58.760 I feel like most of them are probably pro-Israel, more pro-Israel than they are pro, you know,

00:16:03.500 Hamas. But they're fucking cowards. Excuse me. But they are just cowards. They're afraid.

00:16:09.720 They don't want the shitstorm coming down on them that rained down on one of the Kardashians,

00:16:14.740 Kylie, when she tried to tweet tweet out support for Israel. Right.

00:16:17.740 Even before Israel started its retaliation, retaliation campaign. Right.

00:16:21.440 She she was too afraid to leave it out. Right. And these Hollywood people are totally spineless.

00:16:27.220 So they were afraid to take a stance unless it's publicly it's going to have to be something like

00:16:33.980 what Taylor Swift did, which is to raise money for the Palestinians, not not the Israelis.

00:16:38.540 Yeah, I know. It's so strange. You know, one of the biggest films that's nominated and will be an

00:16:43.480 Oscar contender as well is called Zone of Interest. I don't know if you've heard of it.

00:16:47.320 Is this one about this by the Holocaust? Yes.

00:16:49.340 It's loosely based on a Martin Amos novel, and it's about a chief SS officer who lives with his

00:16:55.040 family right next door to a concentration camp. So it's sort of the banality of evil.

00:16:59.980 And this is an industry that loves to tell the story of the Holocaust and World War Two

00:17:04.380 over and over and over again as a kind of never again thing. And there is value in that. But you

00:17:10.720 also have to ask, where is the moral and ethical integrity when we're seeing a second Holocaust

00:17:17.120 Holocaust? And nobody will stand up in the moment. This is a group of people who signed an open letter

00:17:22.940 in support of Roman Polanski. Oh, my God. You're right. I forgot about that. But this is too much of a

00:17:29.360 third rail. It's it's it's one of those moments in the culture where you feel a bit. I feel very queasy.

00:17:36.540 They'll exploit the pain and the history of Jewish people like that for a dime to make an award.

00:17:44.660 Right. And awards. But when push comes to shove and Jews are actually being killed and being treated

00:17:51.160 like third class citizens here in America after their people were murdered, their babies were

00:17:56.800 murdered. They can't muster the courage to wear a freaking ribbon. It's disgusting. That's why nobody

00:18:03.680 wants to watch these shows. They know these are terrible people, Maureen. It's not just that

00:18:08.340 they're whatever they're actors, they're actors. Maybe you don't care. They're not good people.

00:18:13.680 Well, here's a documentary they might want to consider for consideration next year.

00:18:17.880 How about the 47 minute long piece of footage put together by the Israeli military?

00:18:23.500 Wow. That details what went on that day. And it was taken from body cam footage from the terrorists,

00:18:29.060 from first responders, iPhone footage from survivors and people who did not make it.

00:18:35.100 And I'll tell you, that piece of film is an incredibly well done story front to back.

00:18:42.860 It starts by putting you, the viewer, in the driver's seat of somebody's just average car

00:18:49.600 on a Saturday morning driving down a highway. And before they can even realize what they're

00:18:55.260 seeing is a convoy of terrorists in front of them, bullets start smashing through and you go

00:19:01.040 through the entire day. And this tells a narrative in a way that leaves no question what went on,

00:19:07.620 who is in the right, who is in the wrong. And this is a film I think that should be required viewing for

00:19:14.400 anybody who wants to weigh in and talk about what's going on in Gaza instead.

00:19:19.220 That's why they won't. They won't nominate it and they won't show it. Last year, they let

00:19:24.500 Volodymyr Zelensky appear. Great point. At the Golden Glick. Can you imagine if Bibi Netanyahu?

00:19:31.560 They would never invite him. Well, Bibi's not in SAG, right? Isn't Zelensky a former comic actor?

00:19:37.760 No, they would never. I mean, honestly, like far cry from that. They couldn't even muster the ribbon.

00:19:42.660 So it's disgusting. And we know who they are. All right. But there were a couple of moments

00:19:46.200 worth discussing. There was a guy named Joy Coy, who was the host. You know, the past years we had

00:19:52.380 Ricky Gervais, which was amazing. We've had others. Joy Coy got pulled out there. Sorry, Joe. And Joe

00:20:01.300 was only hired like, I don't know, 10 days ago. Is that true? Is that a date you would accept?

00:20:09.620 Like if you're asked 10 days before the Globes, like, you know, you're on the very bottom of that list.

00:20:14.500 No, because a lot of people pass if people sometimes I do public speaking, you know,

00:20:18.920 like to groups, if they call me like within two weeks, I'm like, screw you. No, I know very well

00:20:25.220 how you got to me. The answer is no. Well, you have self-esteem, apparently. But this guy. And so

00:20:29.560 he bombed. He fell on his face. And then apparently during the monologue, he blamed the writers

00:20:35.920 for not giving him good enough material. That's not a good sign. Again, you know, you can't.

00:20:41.640 You just can't. Here's a little sample of him trying to be funny in Sat4.

00:20:46.060 The key moment in Barbie is when she goes from perfect beauty to bad breath, cellulite,

00:20:51.460 and flat feet. Or what casting directors call character actor.

00:21:00.940 Some I wrote, some other people wrote. Robert De Niro's here.

00:21:03.960 Yo, I got the gig 10 days ago. You want a perfect monologue? Yo, shut up.

00:21:11.820 You're kidding me, right? Calm down. I wrote some of these, and they're the ones you're laughing at.

00:21:15.560 Look. Robert De Niro's here. I'm sorry. I'm a fan. I'm a fan. I'm fanning out. I love you, Robert.

00:21:24.280 Okay? If it's awkward, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Your last performance has got to be your greatest

00:21:29.540 performance ever. How'd you get her pregnant at 80?

00:21:36.760 CGI. CGI?

00:21:37.880 CGI. I don't even get it. I don't get a character actor with it. Was he saying Margot Robbie has bad

00:21:47.040 breath and flat? Is that what he's like? What is he saying that it's what character actors do is sort

00:21:51.940 of uglify themselves or they're already not that attractive? I don't get it. These losers of

00:21:57.900 Hollywood that just play random roles as opposed to the star. I don't understand any of it. If I have

00:22:02.660 to work this hard to understand, it's not funny. 100%. Yeah. So he was their choice and he didn't

00:22:08.940 go over well. And one of the moments that's getting a lot of attention is he made a joke about Taylor

00:22:14.500 Swift, which was fine. I actually thought he was spot on with the commentary. She did not appreciate

00:22:19.360 it. Here's what happened. As you know, we came on after a football doubleheader. The big difference

00:22:25.640 between the Golden Globes and the NFL on the Golden Globes, we have fewer camera shots of Taylor Swift

00:22:32.260 I swear. There's just more to go to. Sorry about that.

00:22:38.860 So can't she just like show that she's a good sport, right? I think she made the wrong move.

00:22:47.320 I felt the same way. I thought, wow, if we needed any further proof that she has no sense of humor

00:22:53.240 about herself and this will be a revenge song in whatever her next magnum opus is.

00:22:59.620 Oh, for the listening audience, she, she looked angry and she took a sip of her drink.

00:23:02.920 Oh yes. Yeah. Death glare, death glare. It was, I thought it was funny. Come on.

00:23:07.180 Yes. Come on. You're at the Golden Globes. Your movie made, you're, you're in a category because

00:23:12.760 your movie made over 150 million at the box office, no small feat post COVID, you know, come on.

00:23:18.100 This is, this is what bothers people. You know, this room full of multimillionaires who are the most

00:23:23.740 privileged who cannot take a, a swipe. It's what made Ricky gentle. It was a gentle swipe. And by

00:23:30.800 the way, I mean, she's not in charge of the number of times the NFL chooses to put her on cam. That's

00:23:36.300 not her fault. It is annoying. And if she were smart, she would laugh like she was in on the joke.

00:23:42.840 You know, I, I've told the audience, I'm still listening to Barbara Streisand's memoir. It's

00:23:49.080 almost a thousand pages and I have a life to live. Um, but one of the things they revisit in the

00:23:55.940 book is, um, uh, the way we were, which of course, you know, we've all seen with Robert Redford and I

00:24:03.040 had forgotten. I went back and watched it and I had forgotten that scene in the opening part of the

00:24:07.420 movie where she's like this activist on campus and she's supporting communism. She's a pinko commie

00:24:12.060 and she's up there, you know, saying everybody else should too. And, um, they make some crude joke

00:24:18.120 behind her, like Katie. And it's something about like, everyone's tried Katie's piece or something

00:24:23.760 like that. It's something a little off color and she gets angry. She was winning the crowd over and

00:24:28.160 then she gets angry and she loses them. Yeah. And later Hubble, Robert Redford says to her,

00:24:33.100 you should have laughed. And she said, it wasn't funny. And he says,

00:24:37.420 that it's funny is not the only reason to laugh at something. Yes. Yes. You have to show a sense

00:24:45.120 of humor and a sense of humility about yourself. Taylor Swift is not above a minor little fly swat

00:24:51.940 here or there. She has been dominating the culture for the past year. She has been given Laurel upon

00:24:58.120 Laurel. And maybe that's the problem. Maybe that's the problem. Right. She, if I had been her advisor,

00:25:04.460 I would have said, you, you know, you should laugh and maybe even do like a face plant. Like,

00:25:09.040 Oh, I'm embarrassed, you know, because to show, I didn't really want that, but I'm dating an NFL

00:25:15.600 football player, like something to communicate. You get it. It's been a bit much that looked like,

00:25:21.120 how dare you question me in my popularity? Yes. Yes. Yes. I wonder what her reaction would have been

00:25:28.320 like how they've been somebody not sort of so much lower on the totem pole, like a Ricky Gervais or a

00:25:35.800 Chris rock, you know, where you would have to sort of go along to get along. That's a good point.

00:25:41.000 Maybe that's what she thought. Well, one of the people who's above most of the guys in that room

00:25:45.580 is Jim Gaffigan, at least in terms of the numbers who download his specials. And he got up there and

00:25:51.920 made, he got an award for like best host of something, best comedy host. He beat out, uh,

00:25:56.680 Sarah Silverstein and some, many others and, um, made it, made a jab that was very on point given

00:26:04.180 everything that's coming out right now about Jeffrey Epstein and his connections with, you know,

00:26:08.540 all these big names. Here's what he said. The golden globes. I mean, I, I can't even believe I'm in

00:26:17.160 the entertainment industry. I can't, I, you know, it's so unlikely. I'm from a small town in Indiana.

00:26:25.240 I'm not a pedophile, you know, I just, I mean, back to your reference of Roman Polanski.

00:26:38.860 Yeah. And just all the Epstein stuff we've seen and his hobnobbing with people in power. Now it

00:26:44.360 wasn't all Hollywood. There's a lot of politicians too, but that took guts. You got to give him credit.

00:26:49.480 That was great. He should have been the host. Yeah. I'm sure they begged him. He's a much bigger

00:26:55.280 name than Joe Coy. Probably. And he doesn't need to do it. And he's so underrated Jim Gaffigan. But

00:27:01.020 that, that reminded me there was, um, that year after Harvey was exposed, was it the Globes or the

00:27:08.880 Oscars? Somebody made a joke about Harvey, about how bad it was to rape women essentially. And the

00:27:15.700 camera cut to Tom Hanks and he made a face like talk of disapproved of the joke. He disapproved of

00:27:21.640 the joke. Oh, come on. Like, how dare you sort of impugn? I guess it was probably the rest of us in

00:27:28.080 this room, right? Who probably knew all along and we impugn our mouths shut. Yeah. Yeah. But no,

00:27:32.580 no, no, that was, that was a bridge too far for, for Mr. Nice guy, Tom Hanks. Oh my God. That's,

00:27:37.900 that's shocking. Um, all right. So Steve's telling me it was Ricky Gervais who made that.

00:27:44.260 Oh, there you go. Of course, Ricky, the fearless Ricky Gervais. Um, one of the other low points of

00:27:49.440 the evening was the honoring of Dylan Mulvaney on the red carpet. Why was he there? They,

00:27:59.120 they never missed an up. Look at this. This is a man. This is a man once again, trying to impersonate

00:28:06.380 a woman and being rewarded richly for it. I think his, his feet speaking fees are now up to like

00:28:13.280 30 to $50,000 a gig. And look at him. This is a guy and they all go along with it. They call him

00:28:20.040 she, and there hasn't been an award ceremony or a big sort of red carpet event that they haven't

00:28:26.260 invited him to Maureen. I am sick of seeing his face. There was a post on Twitter where somebody said

00:28:32.960 Dylan Mulvaney turns heads at the golden globes and Kelly J keen retweeted it saying stomachs. You

00:28:39.320 mean Dylan Mulvaney, that's surprising to me. I don't know why the globes felt they needed Dylan.

00:28:47.420 You don't vice versa. Well, actually I take that back. You're right. I do. I should have,

00:28:52.860 I should have just assumed why it's, you know, it, it's so disheartening because this is sort of on

00:28:59.320 the heels of Riley gains going before Congress and just advocating for biological females in sport.

00:29:06.460 That's it. It's very simple. And this was right around the time we saw a 50 year old man. Yeah.

00:29:12.660 Competing against 13 year old girls. He's an otter. He's on the otters up there in Canada.

00:29:17.420 Right. And so this is what we're sort of valorizing. Just like wise heart. That was his fake name is

00:29:23.400 melody. Wise heart. Wow. Yeah. I've got that one right here. Wise heart. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

00:29:28.720 Oh boy. But yeah. But so this is what we valorize instead, you know, and it really does speak to the

00:29:35.680 sort of binary thinking in terms of what causes the industry deems valid and, you know, trans activism,

00:29:44.180 I think being completely your pro pro pro there's no room for nuance debate. And it's the same with

00:29:52.260 Israel. We're seeing it's, it's just, it's again, I don't know what we really expect, but, but on that

00:29:58.240 theme was, we talked about how they're feckless and they're not fearless. They're filled with fear.

00:30:02.620 Yeah. That's why they won't say anything about the missing American hostages, the Israelis who are still

00:30:07.200 in custody, the women who have been sexually abused repeatedly before they were murdered. These terrorists

00:30:13.220 playing with their breasts, shooting them, uh, forgive me for the casual reference, but in the

00:30:18.260 vagina repeatedly as to murder them, they won't that that doesn't deserve a damn ribbon at the

00:30:25.200 golden globes. They can't muster that. Right. But you can parade Dylan Mulvaney out there because that's

00:30:31.000 brave, right? Allyship. The same thing with me too. You're going to stand by women who have been

00:30:35.780 sexually assaulted there. Okay. But not in Israel, right? God, even if it's American women, because they

00:30:40.440 happen to be in Israel. Got it. And the Dylan Mulvaney thing is a, is a fuck you to women.

00:30:46.180 He is a middle finger to women. His a hundred day of girls, his Barbie apparatus, his, uh, Eloise act

00:30:55.600 where he looks like a little girl. All of it is a middle finger to us. So if you want to stand up for

00:31:01.500 women, you really do stand by women. You don't have to go out there and rip on him. Like I do all the

00:31:06.240 time. And I've seen you write about, just don't invite him. Right. Don't put him up there. Like

00:31:11.260 he's a cause celeb. Right. Right. I mean, that reminds me of also the Nike endorsement where he

00:31:16.020 was in the backyard and sort of acting like a female athlete would act, but sort of like in need of a

00:31:22.280 sports bra, you know, which like, again, I, it's amazing to me that Nike survived that backlash

00:31:27.960 the, you know, Bud Light's a whole different animal, but to try to appeal to female athletes,

00:31:35.860 shilling sports bras, but you've got a man in them. Come on. Yeah. Come on. This is, I mean,

00:31:41.760 a very small sliver of the population to whom they mean to appeal. And I'm like, they, they moved on

00:31:46.800 from that one pretty quickly. Uh, okay. Much, much more to get to, uh, we'll get, we're going to take a

00:31:51.040 quick break and then much, much more with Maureen. Don't go away. The Claudine Gay forced

00:32:00.120 resignation from the presidency at Harvard is still making news. And over the weekend,

00:32:04.880 it led to this debate on, I guess now they're using Chris Wallace after his look who's talking

00:32:11.060 to Chris Wallace show completely and utterly failed. They're turning it back to politics

00:32:15.200 because he was on CNN doing a political clip that I saw. And it involved, um, Kara Swisher who used

00:32:22.080 to write for the New York times. Uh, and this woman, Lulu Garcia Navarro, who's from the New York

00:32:26.640 times against Jonah Goldberg and Ray Han Salaam, who's with the Manhattan Institute. And this woman,

00:32:32.700 Lulu Garcia Navarro from the New York times is, as it turns out, and hysteric. We cut just a little

00:32:38.380 bit for you on how upset she is that Claudine Gay had to go. In some cases, you have groups that are

00:32:46.400 overrepresented and that can be okay. You know, the point that JD Vance was making about the Dallas

00:32:52.300 Mavericks is that it can be good and healthy and reasonable in some domains to have over-representation.

00:32:57.820 And that means that under-representation can also be-

00:33:00.700 This is, excuse me, excuse me, excuse me, excuse me. This is the burden. And I can't tell you how

00:33:07.260 infuriating, I find it. This is the burden that always comes with representation.

00:33:11.440 This was an ideological, very well-funded-

00:33:15.280 The motives of the attack don't change the fact that you plagiarized. And where I disagree with

00:33:19.300 you, Kara, is when you say-

00:33:20.940 When somebody fails who's white and who's a man, let me finish.

00:33:26.020 Oh, let me finish. Actually, you just heard her interrupt him.

00:33:29.940 I mean, it was ridiculous.

00:33:31.920 I love that. I love the rolled R. I love it.

00:33:35.100 Just in case you were wondering, I'm a Latinx is basically what that rolled R meant.

00:33:39.280 Mm-hmm. Yes. Or is it Latinx? I never know.

00:33:41.700 It goes either way.

00:33:42.160 Oh, does it?

00:33:42.600 But I've chosen to go with Latinx because it's extra absurd.

00:33:45.600 Well, you're unlike the Latin community, which hates that term.

00:33:49.000 Yes, I'm the one who loves it.

00:33:49.780 Never uses it, but allyship, Megan. It's important.

00:33:53.360 Um, so yes, Claudine Gay, this is amazing to me. This is- So John McWhorter in The Times today had

00:34:01.520 another great piece. For those who might not be familiar, he is a Black professor of linguistics

00:34:07.380 at Columbia, and he wrote a book called Woke Racism, and he is amazing. He wrote another piece

00:34:14.260 ratifying why Claudine Gay had to go and sort of just shredding to ribbons this notion that her

00:34:23.380 ouster was the direct result of work by conservative activists and ideologues to get a Black woman out

00:34:33.140 of a premium perch in academia. And he gave several examples to refute this idea. And I kind of am

00:34:41.440 obsessed with the long tail that this story is having.

00:34:44.780 Right. It is.

00:34:46.180 It really is. You would think like once she was gone, we might've exercised ourselves of this,

00:34:51.560 but we haven't. And that's telling us something about ourselves. I'm not quite sure what it is yet,

00:34:57.400 whether it's just how divided we remain or how we're so entrenched in these camps and we cannot

00:35:03.160 have a nuanced conversation. And the other thing, and I wonder what you make of this,

00:35:08.200 because we've been talking about the plagiarism now for like a couple of weeks. I almost feel like

00:35:13.040 that's moved the goalposts. We're not discussing the antisemitism, which to me is the far more grave

00:35:20.200 offense.

00:35:20.760 That's a good point. I think people are more comfortable on the plagiarism. She could have

00:35:25.420 been fired just for the comments she made before Congress, like Liz McGill was. A white woman. Hello.

00:35:30.360 Great point.

00:35:30.980 She wasn't. I mean, once again, if anything, she had more chances afforded to her than her white

00:35:36.860 counterpart over at Penn. Um, but yeah, people moved on quickly because the Palestinian lobby has

00:35:44.220 gotten so strong in the United States and has so many supporters among the woke young Democrats in

00:35:54.300 particular, it's become politically risky, right? So they, I mean, even her centrist detractors,

00:36:01.840 the right wanted her gone for the obvious reason she wasn't qualified and we knew it,

00:36:05.140 but the centrist sort of leftists were like, Hmm, I shouldn't make it about Israel. I can see

00:36:10.240 we don't have support there. So let's go with the plagiarism thing. To me, it was just like,

00:36:14.560 yeah, it was like the straw that broke the camel's back. And what's been very telling. I forgot to

00:36:18.900 mention that, um, it was Axios on the Lloyd Austin sketch, uh, scandal that had a tweet saying

00:36:24.640 it was again, Republicans pounce literally was like Republicans make the most of, or jump on the

00:36:30.420 scandal. That's not the story. Axios. It's not. The story is about Lloyd Austin. Well,

00:36:35.700 the question is, why aren't you pouncing? But here again, um, there's so many people who are writing

00:36:42.300 about like the story in a way that doesn't quite capture what actually happened. And the plagiarism

00:36:47.520 stuff, uh, has given an opportunity to the people who want to back Claudine Gay to go after the people

00:36:54.520 who pushed her the most, who pushed the story the most, including Bill Ackman. That, and that leads me to

00:36:58.980 the story that dominated X over the past few days. Uh, and I think it was Thursday or Friday,

00:37:04.140 Bill Ackman is this billionaire who's married to a woman from Israel. I didn't realize his wife was

00:37:09.000 Israeli. And, um, he's been very critical of those three university presidents and of DEI. He's one of

00:37:15.900 those leftists. I think he's a lefty or a centrist at least who's seen the light on DEI. So what happens

00:37:21.940 business insider does a hit piece on his wife, on his wife, who was a tenured professor at

00:37:28.760 MIT. And when she did her dissertation in 2010, apparently there were a few examples in there

00:37:37.120 where she didn't use quotation marks, though, right at the end of the sentence, she did a

00:37:41.540 citation. So it'd be like me quoting a Maureen quote. And at the end of the sentence, I put

00:37:46.020 Maureen Callahan, Daily Mail, but I didn't put the quotes around your words. And they give him a very

00:37:52.100 short turnaround time to respond to the business insider and so on. They dropped a hit piece.

00:37:56.640 She plagiarized. Then Bill Ackman and his wife got back to them saying we should have put

00:38:01.920 quotation marks. She should have. And that's been corrected and moved. Then the next headline

00:38:07.480 admits she plagiarized. Right. And then came a third and where they're now looking back on years

00:38:14.200 earlier in which she apparently used information from Wikipedia without citing Wikipedia. And she's

00:38:19.040 saying, I just looked up defined terms like like, let's say, 3D printing and took the definition.

00:38:25.680 I found at Wikipedia. How is that plagiarism? Like, since when do we cite Wikipedia as our

00:38:30.620 I'm just looking for common definitions of words that everybody uses. This is her defense. I haven't

00:38:34.920 looked into any of this. But the point is they're trying to ruin his wife. She's not involved in this

00:38:42.400 in any way. Bill Ackman is just like a billionaire who got interested in this story and the fraud that

00:38:48.740 was committed by Claudine and the anti-Semitism. And now it's all in on people's families as fair

00:38:55.660 game, according to Business Insider. Right. And she's well, she's not the head of the top university

00:39:01.580 in the world. Right. And she's no longer at MIT. She's no longer at MIT. She hasn't been at MIT

00:39:06.520 for years. Listen, it's not a great look. It's not. And people despise hypocrisy. I am among them.

00:39:14.100 But I think, you know, Business Insider announced that they're going to conduct an investigation

00:39:19.700 into how this story wound up there. Apparently, I'll help them around. MIT gave it to you.

00:39:26.340 It's obvious to those of us on the outside. I did your investigation for you. Thanks. So,

00:39:32.760 you know, I don't I really don't know what to make of it. You know, I think it feels petty. I think it

00:39:39.220 feels vengeful. I think there is a segment of this country that is still so aggrieved by what happened

00:39:50.560 to Claudine Gay, who, let's be clear, is keeping her professorship at Harvard, is hauling in $900,000 a

00:40:00.220 year and will probably, despite her history of plagiarism, get a book deal. Yeah. Oh, and go

00:40:05.800 on the speaking circuit and have a very lucrative future. So I have a couple of thoughts. So Bill

00:40:13.300 Ackman. OK, he defended his wife because she was under attack. I think one defense is enough.

00:40:18.940 And then I think you move on. Yeah, he's really doubling down on it and tripling down on and

00:40:23.060 quadrupling down. And he's very defensive of her, which I appreciate as a wife myself. I feel like

00:40:27.120 you'd like to see a man defend his woman. However, they're trying to distract him and to go too far

00:40:33.220 down this lane is to take the bait. No one gives a shit about his wife. With all due respect to Bill

00:40:37.620 Ackman. You're right. We don't care about her. You're right. She's not the president of a university

00:40:41.520 and he's getting distracted from the main, like focus on the main mission, which he's winning.

00:40:46.500 And the same Chris Ruffo is more. He's like a dog with a bone. He's very tough to distract. But for the

00:40:51.340 record, they did go after him, too, because on his resume, I guess he says, which is posted publicly,

00:40:55.820 that he went to Georgetown undergrad. He's another one who really pushed and did a great job outing

00:40:59.940 Claudine Gay's plagiarism. He said he went to Georgetown underground and got his master's at

00:41:04.500 Harvard. Well, it turns out he didn't really go to Harvard. He went to something called the Harvard

00:41:07.720 Extension School, which is I guess you just pay to get in. It's not like you have to be admitted like

00:41:12.060 you or I would have to apply. Right. So it's not the same as Harvard. Right. Which was disclosed by

00:41:17.080 Ruffo in something I saw he posted online before this, saying it's far less difficult to get into than the

00:41:21.880 real Harvard. But I guess if you go there, you're supposed to call it an ALM, not a master's.

00:41:26.720 And he had. OK, whatever. I don't care about any of these Harvard people, to be honest with you.

00:41:31.900 However, it's another attack like the left is very good at what they do. And for three days,

00:41:38.160 they've been driving the news with Bill Ackman's wife is also a plagiarist. And Chris Ruffo lied about

00:41:44.520 going to Harvard. And everybody on X is like, yes, let's do this. This is the debate we've been

00:41:50.800 dying to have, not about how fraud, how fraudulent our university leaders are and how half of them

00:41:57.740 got there because of DEI. It's not that they're being fired because of their race. It's that they

00:42:01.840 were hired because of it. One hundred percent. And Claudine Gay was given a much longer amount of

00:42:08.640 time in that seat because of her race. They couldn't fire her immediately because she was a black woman.

00:42:13.260 And that's what was going on. And nobody really wants to just say it. And I think that you're

00:42:18.240 a hundred percent right that Bill Ackman is sort of losing the thread here. He's doing really good

00:42:23.660 stuff and that the left is sort of ginning this up. So what is the consequence? Claudine Gay was a

00:42:28.860 consequential figure who needed a consequential action because it mattered. What does it matter

00:42:35.120 what Bill Ackman's wife is doing? She's in private industry now. Right. She's a designer. She designs

00:42:41.060 furniture. She's brilliant. She does it in some weird, cool way. But no one cares about her.

00:42:46.460 And the other problem is, you know, the Bill Ackmans of the world have to think about this.

00:42:51.360 No one wants to spend a lot of time defending a billionaire's wife who's incredibly beautiful,

00:42:57.480 who dated Brad Pitt. That's just the reality. Like that's one of those you defend once and then you

00:43:03.040 move on because Madge sitting in Iowa, like she cares a little. She sees what the media is doing,

00:43:08.480 but she does not want to spend five days on that woman and how aggrieved she is. So this is just

00:43:14.880 the reality of life and humanity. And I really think conservative activists are new to the anti-DEI

00:43:21.560 cause activists like Bill. And I certainly welcome him to the to the fight. Need to understand how

00:43:28.160 this works. They'll never let up. You can rehabilitate your wife to the house. Come home.

00:43:32.080 They'll find another way to attack you, your company. Don't take the bait offense forward.

00:43:39.200 If it's really egregious, you spend maybe a day saying that's bullshit. I love my wife. Stay away

00:43:44.420 from her. There's no point in getting distracted because the left is experienced and expert at what

00:43:50.040 it does in destroying people. Yeah. Yeah. You're right. You're absolutely right.

00:43:54.520 Well, we'll see if Bill Ackman listens to me. He has billions of dollars and I don't.

00:43:59.240 So it's very possible he will move right on. Okay. I want to get into so much more, including

00:44:04.860 Jeffrey Epstein. So all this news has broken about Jeffrey Epstein over the past five days

00:44:10.900 because Virginia Giuffre, one of the main women who was she was his victim. She was sex trafficked by

00:44:18.080 Epstein. She's made a bunch of allegations. And listen, I've covered this case very carefully.

00:44:22.420 Not all of them are true. Virginia Giuffre is a problematic witness. But in this defamation case

00:44:28.240 she filed against Ghislaine Maxwell, his right hand woman in 2015, another one of Jeffrey Epstein's

00:44:35.280 victims gave a deposition and that testimony was full of info. And from that deposition testimony,

00:44:41.560 we're now learning a lot of stuff because it was just unsealed by a court. First of all,

00:44:46.340 from the things that you've seen so far, what's your takeaway? What do you find the most interesting?

00:44:52.420 Prince Andrew and Bill Clinton to me are by far the most interesting. Um, I, if we're talking about

00:44:58.580 the same part of that, uh, court filing, there was a young woman known as Jane Doe three.

00:45:06.120 That's another one. Yes. That's another one who said that she was forced into having sexual

00:45:11.080 encounters with Andrew in three separate locations. Once in London at Ghislaine Maxwell's apartment,

00:45:16.540 once in New York and the third time on Epstein's private Island, colloquially known as pedophile

00:45:23.700 Island. Uh, and she was underage at the time and forced to participate in an orgy with other under

00:45:30.800 numerous underage girls with Andrew. Now, last week we heard that Scotland Yard was going to open an

00:45:39.380 investigation into Andrew who has said more than once he would be willing to help investigations

00:45:45.560 in any way that he would like to help the victims get closure, closures, bullshit, whatever.

00:45:52.400 First of all, where is he? Yeah. Then with his help and all of his resources. And secondly,

00:45:59.500 I read this morning that there is going to be no investigation into Andrew whatsoever.

00:46:04.140 And I think a slap on the wrist from King Charles, you know, pulling his security detail and trying

00:46:09.280 to kick him out of frog more cottage simply isn't going to cut it. And I, I, the same to me,

00:46:16.260 I don't understand why bill Clinton is just photographed on vacation in Mexico without a care in the world.

00:46:24.040 The same day, the story breaks, he was consorting with a guy that everybody knew was doing this.

00:46:31.880 Everybody knew. I did this column last week and I quoted Cindy McCain, who was giving a speech

00:46:38.000 about human trafficking, or she was in conversation and it aired on C-SPAN. And she said out loud,

00:46:43.660 we all knew. Right. And it leads people to think, yes, there is an Illuminati.

00:46:49.720 They're all involved. They all protect each other. There are rules for the, not for me.

00:46:56.460 Well, two of the names that were mentioned in the deposition were Michael Jackson had visited Epstein.

00:47:01.060 Um, uh, David Copperfield had visited Epstein and had reportedly said to one of the women,

00:47:07.560 are you aware that he has girls go out and find other girls? And so this is, this led to the Jim

00:47:13.540 Gaffigan comment, right? Like this Hollywood politics, it's full of guys that have a thing

00:47:22.600 for underage or quote young girls. And we seem to just be willing to be like, ha ha ha. It's Bill

00:47:28.560 Clinton. He, he, he, he. Move on. Uh, all right, wait, speaking of moving on, I'm going to move on

00:47:33.360 here. I'm going to squeeze in one quick break and we're going to come back because we're not,

00:47:36.060 we're not done with Jeffrey Epstein. There's a lot more to discuss. Maureen stays with us. Don't go

00:47:39.400 away. Coming up, the executive director of stop antisemitism will be here to reveal the

00:47:47.720 organization's antisemite of the year. Do you have any guesses on who it might be?

00:47:52.560 Maureen Callahan is here now. She's not it. She's not an antisemite. Just those, that text

00:47:59.340 was a little too close to each other in the prompter. She's with the daily mail and we continue

00:48:03.080 our conversation now on Jeffrey Epstein. Um, so there are a lot of people who are worried about

00:48:08.900 the reveal in these documents because, you know, I don't know why, because they're guys who went to

00:48:13.980 the Island or they knew Jeffrey Epstein or they ignored the warnings about him. And, um, that led to

00:48:19.940 this weird exchange between Aaron Rodgers and Jimmy Kimmel about a week, a week and a half ago,

00:48:25.760 where Aaron Rodgers suggested Jimmy Kimmel doesn't want the Epstein list to come out for personal

00:48:32.440 reasons. Here's what he said on the Pat McAfee show, which then I guess Pat McAfee

00:48:37.520 apologized for because Jimmy Kimmel threatened to sue. Here's what was said. Saw two.

00:48:42.720 You have Superbowl 58. You'll see it.

00:48:44.920 The emblems put on the screen and then bring it 57 and 56.

00:48:48.300 Does it have something to do with the Epstein list that came out?

00:48:51.420 Feels like. Feels like.

00:48:53.220 That's supposed to be coming out soon. A lot of people, including Jimmy Kimmel,

00:48:57.660 are really hoping that doesn't...

00:48:58.600 Oh, please.

00:49:00.480 All right.

00:49:02.400 Okay. So then, so Jimmy Kimmel was angry, threatened to sue, and then he reacted on his own show as

00:49:12.360 follows. Saw three. Needless to say, all this UFO talk has the tinfoil hatters going wild,

00:49:17.880 including Green Bay whack packer Aaron Rodgers, who offered this hot take on the Pat McAfee show.

00:49:23.700 I, I believe that this has been going on for a long time. Interesting, uh, timing on everything.

00:49:30.800 There's a lot of other things going on in the world. Did you hear about the Epstein client list, uh, about to be released, too?

00:49:37.940 What's that? What are you talking about?

00:49:40.400 There's some files that have some names on it that might be, uh, getting released pretty soon.

00:49:46.600 Oh.

00:49:47.040 Oh. Oh. Might be time to revisit that concussion protocol, Aaron.

00:49:53.560 All right. So just to correct myself, that the second soundbite was from March. The first soundbite was just from Tuesday.

00:50:02.320 So in any event, the point is there have been going back and forth about this.

00:50:05.240 Him, because Kimmel made pretty clear, like, he's not totally in favor of the lists and, like, the scuttlebutt around the lists.

00:50:12.200 Mm-hmm.

00:50:13.000 And Aaron Rodgers is kind of making the most of it.

00:50:15.880 Right.

00:50:16.240 But if Kimmel does feel that way, he's not the only one.

00:50:18.500 I mean, it seems like there are a lot of people who want this story to go away.

00:50:21.640 Yeah. It seems there are a lot of people on these lists.

00:50:24.220 And it's weird because, you know, you have these random names like Cameron Diaz and Naomi Campbell and Leonardo DiCaprio.

00:50:34.740 And they're all saying they had nothing to do with him.

00:50:38.940 Cameron Diaz's rep was vehement.

00:50:40.940 And they're saying he was sort of a name dropper and he just sort of liked to imply that he had all these relationships with multiple, multiple people.

00:50:50.620 His Black Book, which was published years ago, I believe, in New York Magazine.

00:50:54.180 I mean, like, everybody was in that book.

00:50:57.580 It doesn't mean you liked sex with underage girls.

00:51:01.020 Exactly.

00:51:01.640 It doesn't mean you were soliciting massages or part of a sex trafficking ring or anything like that.

00:51:06.780 But I don't the Kimmel thing was very strange to me, like Aaron Rodgers sort of picking him out and saying, you know, but it's just it's one of those things.

00:51:18.800 Because, again, I think people feel like, what is the actual story?

00:51:24.020 Who are the actual bad actors?

00:51:26.440 People aren't flying on this guy's private plane, the Lolita Express, without knowing what's going on.

00:51:33.500 And at what point is your association with him a sort of complicity in what he's doing, especially if you happen to be a former president or a high ranking royal who is being used as the last dump showed us.

00:51:49.040 I believe Epstein considered Andrew a, quote, useless idiot, which is a great phrase, to sort of just lure in bigger bait.

00:51:57.760 Yeah.

00:51:58.120 Yeah.

00:51:58.440 That's the latest reporting on him is that he wasn't knowingly part of a sex trafficking ring.

00:52:03.660 He was being used.

00:52:05.400 Right.

00:52:05.600 His name.

00:52:06.180 It's like you would think anybody that Prince Andrew back then, now we know, but back then is hanging out with is fine.

00:52:13.680 This is what Alan Dershowitz has said many times.

00:52:15.560 That he was a Harvard law professor there and that other people at Harvard were like, hey, meet Jeffrey Epstein.

00:52:21.420 And then eventually, hey, Jeffrey Epstein needs representation.

00:52:24.100 And I don't blame Alan for representing him at all.

00:52:26.680 That's what criminal defense lawyers do.

00:52:28.700 They don't represent only the angels.

00:52:31.520 Right.

00:52:31.680 It's the nature of their job.

00:52:33.640 Then this Virginia Giuffre wound up accusing Alan, among others, and Alan is vehemently denied all of that.

00:52:39.600 And I do think he's one of those names who, like, he just gets swept in there with these others.

00:52:44.100 And, you know, I don't know.

00:52:45.900 Like, I even Bill Clinton, I have to say, I believe he probably did like him young.

00:52:49.960 How young?

00:52:50.800 I don't know.

00:52:51.400 Monica Lewinsky was young.

00:52:53.100 Primary colors suggests even younger than that, potentially.

00:52:55.720 But to your point, might it be worth investigating when it's a former president or when it's somebody like Prince Andrew, where there's actual testimony that it's been at least three times in three different locations, part of an orgy like that is sex trafficking.

00:53:10.880 These girls were trafficked and they are very willing to walk right away from that now that he's settled it.

00:53:15.920 Yeah, it makes you wonder what would have happened if Epstein hadn't committed suicide in prison.

00:53:23.140 You know, again, I understand why these conspiracy theories abound, because there's been no sort of coalescing around this big mystery.

00:53:32.240 We don't feel like we're getting the straight skinny.

00:53:33.840 It's been years.

00:53:34.780 And even with this document, we're still not really learning anything.

00:53:38.600 There's nobody's being held to any account.

00:53:41.280 You know, Jelaine Maxwell, this is going to be it.

00:53:43.920 You know, you can't tell me she doesn't know where bodies are buried, but she's busy through her lawyer, you know, claiming that she's the victim, that of all these men who are so predatory, it's the woman who's in prison.

00:53:57.320 Like, why don't you advocate then for these other girls and women?

00:54:00.700 Yeah.

00:54:00.980 If you really think that.

00:54:02.060 That's a good point.

00:54:02.500 She could change that.

00:54:03.940 Yeah.

00:54:04.140 In other words, if she would name names.

00:54:05.960 She could change that narrative.

00:54:07.020 That's a good point.

00:54:07.820 I'm going to ask Arthur Idalla about that.

00:54:09.440 He's her lawyer.

00:54:10.340 Our pal Arthur Idalla is representing her.

00:54:12.660 So, yeah, next time he comes on, I'll ask him.

00:54:15.480 I don't know.

00:54:16.100 I feel like we're not done with Epstein.

00:54:17.360 We're going to get more documents today.

00:54:19.020 Whether we ever get to the truth of what he actually did is another story.

00:54:21.880 I know you've covered this for years.

00:54:24.140 The thing about the Epstein accusers is, and I feel the need to say this, some, I do believe, are credible and have been telling the truth.

00:54:31.920 And not all are credible.

00:54:33.900 There's like a cloud around the actual victims of people who want to cash in on the Epstein story.

00:54:41.360 And it's difficult sometimes to tell who's who as a reporter covering the story.

00:54:45.980 Yeah, I mean, I was working on this at my former place of employment years and years ago before Epstein really became this sort of lightning rod.

00:54:55.360 And I was approached by a woman who claimed that she had been a victim and she began telling me stories.

00:55:04.040 And she claimed to me that she had hard evidence involving very major players, some of whom we've been discussing.

00:55:13.500 And I said to her after multiple conversations, I will fly to you wherever these boxes are.

00:55:22.320 And if you show them to me, then we can progress with this investigation.

00:55:26.340 And multiple times she had myriad reasons why she couldn't do it.

00:55:30.920 And so I dropped that thread.

00:55:32.880 I completely abandoned it.

00:55:34.060 Nothing was adding up.

00:55:35.620 You also, as an investigative reporter covering something like this, have to sort of thread a needle where you're dealing with women and girls who claim they've been the victim of sexual assault, a kind of institutionalized sexual assault.

00:55:51.140 You also have to realize you're probably dealing with people who are broken to a large degree.

00:55:56.320 So some of them may believe that what they're recalling is true, but is it?

00:56:01.880 It's very, very difficult.

00:56:03.680 And it's why these documents are going to remain a mess, I think, for the foreseeable future.

00:56:08.340 And you do, as a reporter, have to be careful because I look at what happened.

00:56:11.040 Speaking of Dershowitz, there is an actual correspondence between one of these women who was in the Epstein orbit and said she was trafficked by him and a reporter.

00:56:21.140 And it's the reporter, I think she's a reporter, says to the alleged victim, name Dershowitz, use the name Dershowitz.

00:56:28.400 He's powerful.

00:56:29.680 And, like, the suggestion of his name came from someone other than the victim to be named and highlighted because it would really get a lot of attention.

00:56:39.160 So I also feel for some of these names, like, I don't know, just because the one Jane Doe says Prince Andrew was one or three.

00:56:46.600 Like, right.

00:56:47.680 I don't think Prince Andrew behaved.

00:56:49.420 Well, there's no question to me about that.

00:56:51.460 But whether he did this, look, we should look into it.

00:56:54.760 There should be an actual investigation about it.

00:56:56.500 And you're right.

00:56:57.140 Ghislaine Maxwell and these others should help.

00:56:59.520 While we're on the subject of the royals, Meghan Markle is at it again.

00:57:03.820 She can't help herself.

00:57:05.200 So according to royal expert and commentator Neil Sean, he says he broke this story that she is angry and wants answers from King Charles, according to the New York Post, over different rules for her and Harry versus others who have ditched royal life like Fergie, Sarah, Duchess of York.

00:57:28.580 That she is reportedly demanding answers from King Charles about why they've been subjected to a different set of rules, saying that she has tried to arrange a meeting with her father-in-law, King Charles, to discuss her concerns.

00:57:41.880 She sent him a letter.

00:57:43.500 She wants a one-to-one to explain exactly the problems that she has encountered ever since becoming a member of the British monarchy.

00:57:51.920 It's so hard when they make you a household name across the globe.

00:57:55.660 Life becomes so very difficult and they give you a whole castle to live in and you marry a prince and your children have titles and you live in a $20 million mansion in Montecito and you get flown around on Tyler Perry's jet.

00:58:07.980 And then they give you $150 at Netflix.

00:58:10.060 She wants to tell them about her problems since she became a damn royal, Maureen.

00:58:13.720 Life isn't fair.

00:58:14.960 I thought she was just on the red carpet teasing all these exciting new projects she had going on in Hollywood.

00:58:20.160 I thought she had left all this behind.

00:58:22.340 She needs to be loved for it as well by the royals.

00:58:26.920 Does she?

00:58:28.380 Or does she want to exist solely in opposition and be the aggrieved anti-heroine?

00:58:34.260 And that's kind of where I think she sort of gets off a little bit.

00:58:38.080 Like it's very, it's sort of like somebody just rooting around in their own open wound.

00:58:44.100 You know, if she didn't enjoy this, she would have moved on a long, long time ago.

00:58:48.660 In what world does she think that the king of the United Kingdom is going to sit down one-on-one with her and not sweep her for bugs and take the iPhone and worry about like notes she's going to take after that will go in the memoir?

00:59:06.860 I mean, everybody knows their deal.

00:59:09.020 Everybody knows what they're up to.

00:59:10.800 Yes.

00:59:10.920 What does she want?

00:59:12.760 And as far as Sarah, who's Andrew's ex-wife, she never says a negative word about the royal family, according to royal experts.

00:59:22.780 I don't follow Sarah Duchess of York that closely, but the royal experts who I do watch say that she only has positive words.

00:59:29.520 She loved the queen.

00:59:30.820 She and the queen apparently got along very well.

00:59:32.940 Well, that the Duke of Edinburgh, the queen's deceased husband, he did not like her.

00:59:38.540 So they kept her at arm's length.

00:59:41.360 But she was never out there bashing the royal family, exactly the opposite of what Meghan does.

00:59:46.720 Why would they support her press tour when it's all about sticking the knife in their back?

00:59:51.780 This also really circles back very nicely to our very first conversation about the Globes, because Harry and Meghan were noticeably absent at the Globes.

01:00:02.140 There was a crack made, I think maybe by the terrible host, but it was about Harry and Meghan's year of sort of failure for Netflix and like the camera caught Ted Sarandos laughing about it.

01:00:15.460 They're getting paid hundreds of millions for their failures.

01:00:18.340 And then he said something like, oh, but in fairness, that was from Netflix.

01:00:21.000 Right.

01:00:22.040 And so you can imagine those two at home on the couch, just, you know, the anger, rising, the butt of the jokes.

01:00:29.280 They're not even invited to the after parties.

01:00:31.720 You know, they're not going to be at the Vanity Fair Oscar party.

01:00:34.360 Like this is all just going to sort of go into that stew, I think, of bile.

01:00:39.780 I love they say she is furious that she and Harry get scrutinized for partaking in interviews and publicized projects while others receive no backlash.

01:00:48.820 And still use their royal titles like Duchess of York.

01:00:52.500 In Fergie's case, they have their titles.

01:00:54.820 They've got their titles.

01:00:55.880 She uses it everywhere on her stationery.

01:00:58.600 She kept them titles for her kids.

01:01:01.040 What is she complaining about?

01:01:01.920 She just doesn't want the backlash.

01:01:04.480 And you're right.

01:01:05.600 She would.

01:01:06.200 She does need it because when she was first accepted in the royal family and fast tracked by the queen, she created these problems.

01:01:12.760 She found things to be upset about.

01:01:14.980 She created the rift with the royal family.

01:01:17.520 Then she goes out there, calls them racists.

01:01:20.080 Then he denies she ever did it.

01:01:22.160 Then she calls the British people racists.

01:01:24.380 Then they don't understand why people don't like them.

01:01:26.560 Why don't we have the same rules as Fergie, who's not doing any of these things to the end?

01:01:32.060 These two are about rules for me and not for thee or vice versa.

01:01:36.160 All right.

01:01:36.400 Last but not least, we've got to get to this.

01:01:39.840 Actually, I might have time to squeeze two of these things and I'm going to try.

01:01:42.560 This is bold of me.

01:01:44.260 I'll get to the one.

01:01:45.280 Jonathan Capehart.

01:01:47.300 Yeah.

01:01:47.920 So he writes.

01:01:49.580 Does he write for the Times or the Post?

01:01:50.840 One of the Washington Post.

01:01:52.000 OK.

01:01:52.400 Every piece is a post.

01:01:54.340 It's a boo hoo.

01:01:55.340 It's very hard to be black.

01:01:57.560 The white people are terrible.

01:01:59.140 There's a long list of those.

01:02:00.380 I mean, a long list.

01:02:02.200 Well, he also is over on MSNBC.

01:02:05.160 And, you know, because January 6th has become a national holiday that like literally the left

01:02:09.300 celebrate.

01:02:09.800 It's like it's become like Pearl Harbor.

01:02:12.000 It's like 9-11.

01:02:13.200 They get together.

01:02:13.900 They have like whatever.

01:02:16.280 Even though the polls show most people want to move on.

01:02:18.180 Even Democrats now are saying, can we move on?

01:02:20.040 It was it wasn't great, but whatever.

01:02:22.320 We got through it.

01:02:22.840 He has on this police officer, Michael Fanon, who was hurt on January 6th.

01:02:27.840 And I feel for what happened to Michael Fanon on January 6th.

01:02:30.320 But I'm over his far left political commentary and then his attempting to present himself

01:02:36.720 as just this like guy without an axe to grind, independent thinker.

01:02:40.220 We know you're a hardened leftist Democrat from the way you sound.

01:02:43.480 I mean, you've made it perfectly clear.

01:02:45.160 So that's fine.

01:02:46.020 You can be.

01:02:46.480 But like, don't be surprised when people react to you in a partisan way.

01:02:52.540 Fanon goes on with Jonathan Capehart.

01:02:54.340 The story was not Fanon in this moment.

01:02:56.020 It was the anchor, Jonathan Capehart, the so-called journalist.

01:02:58.900 Watch this.

01:03:00.020 Officer Fanon, I'm going to try to get through this.

01:03:04.900 Thank you for what you did three years ago today.

01:03:08.740 Um, please tell me your thoughts on this third anniversary.

01:03:15.040 Oh, my God.

01:03:16.660 He's crying.

01:03:18.240 Maureen.

01:03:19.260 So I knew we were going to talk about this.

01:03:21.680 I was really looking forward to it.

01:03:24.180 I did two quick Google searches.

01:03:26.300 One was reporters who cry on the air.

01:03:30.820 Rachel Maddow could not get herself through a segment on children who were crossing the border

01:03:37.140 with their parents illegally and being rehoused in places.

01:03:40.680 She made a big show of having to actually toss off to the next show because she could not get the words out.

01:03:48.520 Anderson Cooper maybe has 20 of his greatest hits online.

01:03:52.200 And then I went back and watched that famous part of broadcast news.

01:03:57.760 Do you remember where William Hurt?

01:03:59.640 Oh, when he faked the tears.

01:04:01.160 Gins up the tears.

01:04:02.240 And Holly Hunter, who is in love with him, is watching this and then realizes in that moment that he's a total fraud.

01:04:07.400 Yes.

01:04:07.860 And she's like.

01:04:08.320 And she has to break up with him.

01:04:10.140 Yes.

01:04:10.980 And that's what this reminds me of.

01:04:13.380 And that is this kind of thing that, like, when I was in journalism school, they would use that as example number one of what never to do.

01:04:19.920 And they would kick you out of the industry for it.

01:04:22.700 Do you think it's fake?

01:04:23.380 Or do you just think it's affected?

01:04:24.900 Like, he brought it on.

01:04:26.340 Like, he did it.

01:04:27.520 I guess it's kind of the same thing.

01:04:28.600 I think he practiced at home in front of the mirror.

01:04:30.860 He had the Kleenex right there.

01:04:32.920 He was moving it.

01:04:34.140 He started out.

01:04:35.580 They hadn't even been having a conversation.

01:04:37.980 Why is he so worked up?

01:04:39.400 It's so true.

01:04:40.260 He's introducing the segment.

01:04:42.200 He had the tissue right there.

01:04:43.940 He was dabbing at the nose.

01:04:45.980 And there were no tears.

01:04:47.240 I mean, housewives do it better.

01:04:48.460 That is fascinating to me.

01:04:51.540 You could be right.

01:04:52.160 I'm going to have to ask Melissa Francis.

01:04:53.700 She was at Fox for many years.

01:04:55.180 She's my friend.

01:04:55.760 And she used to star on Little House on the Prairie.

01:04:57.620 One of the reasons she got the role as Cassandra Ingalls, that was the second version of Children After the First Ones Aged Up.

01:05:05.300 Right.

01:05:05.760 Is she could cry on demand.

01:05:08.520 Yeah.

01:05:08.700 And now when her kids cry, like fake cries, she's like, I really expected better as my offspring.

01:05:14.320 This is I object.

01:05:16.200 You need to produce actual water or we're not even going to talk.

01:05:19.080 I'm going to run it by her.

01:05:20.280 See what she thinks.

01:05:21.100 I think you should.

01:05:21.900 I mean, what do you think?

01:05:22.660 Do you think it's I think it's real because the left is genuinely that's that upset still over January 6th because they love upset when it comes to anything related to Trump or that will make Trump look bad or our poor democracy that they're so concerned about.

01:05:35.780 Unless they're trying to boot candidates of choice off of ballots so that the people can't even vote on them, that that democracy dying in darkness doesn't hurt them or make them cry.

01:05:43.980 By the way, none of the cops who got hurt.

01:05:46.180 I didn't see Jonathan Capehart cry for the 2000 cops who got injured in the BLM riots.

01:05:49.840 No, I didn't see him cry when we had cops actually dying in the midst of those riots or police precincts being burned down.

01:05:55.960 I didn't see him crying for those cops.

01:05:57.460 Where were your tears then, Jonathan?

01:05:59.160 Didn't see any of that.

01:06:00.460 So spare me.

01:06:01.520 Great point.

01:06:03.040 Great to have you.

01:06:04.000 Always most fun.

01:06:05.780 All right, come back again soon.

01:06:08.140 Next, we're going to get to the actual anti-semi of the year.

01:06:11.280 Once again, not Maureen.

01:06:13.240 Thank you.

01:06:14.340 Big break in those two pieces of script.

01:06:18.280 We'll be right back.

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01:07:10.360 There has been a shocking rise in anti-Semitism in the United States, or maybe it's just like a rise in our awareness of what's already been out there since Hamas' October 7th attacks.

01:07:35.200 It's so crazy.

01:07:36.080 Think about that.

01:07:36.660 It's just like after 9-11, there was an outpouring of sympathy for the United States.

01:07:41.220 Think about if on September 20th, 2001, what actually happened was a rise in anti-Americanism.

01:07:47.820 That's really what's happening to Israel right now.

01:07:49.640 Why?

01:07:49.900 Because it launched a retaliatory campaign to take out Hamas, the people who did this to it.

01:07:54.440 And yet people here, too many of them in my view, are responding with some really gross anti-Semitism.

01:08:00.520 Not everything's been anti-Semitic.

01:08:02.180 You want to criticize Netanyahu.

01:08:03.360 You want to criticize the response politically because you think it went too far.

01:08:07.120 That I can tolerate.

01:08:08.540 That I get.

01:08:09.680 But blaming Israel for the murder of its own people, we're in a different league.

01:08:15.440 And our next guest has been keeping tabs on all those folks, the people who have no sympathy for the hostages, who've been tearing down the posters.

01:08:22.200 I mean, I don't know if there's another person who has worked harder to expose those people than Leora Rez.

01:08:29.880 She's the executive director of Stop Anti-Semitism.

01:08:33.540 You've likely seen the organization's video on social media exposing violent anti-Israel protesters, people who were hurting students, Jewish students just walking to class.

01:08:43.600 And, of course, as I mentioned, those tearing down the pictures of the hostages.

01:08:48.500 She is also here to reveal the 2023 anti-Semite of the year.

01:08:54.340 Leora, welcome.

01:08:55.100 Thank you so much for being here.

01:08:56.020 I'm thrilled to be here.

01:08:56.920 I mean, honestly, we're joking that we're, you know, it's something to win.

01:09:01.020 But really, it's good you're keeping tabs on this because otherwise it continues to fester and it gets worse.

01:09:05.980 So you had a lot of choices in 2023.

01:09:10.280 You probably had more choices this year than ever before.

01:09:12.960 100%.

01:09:13.400 So don't tell us yet who it was, but do you want to tell us who was in the last, like, few who you were narrowing it down to?

01:09:18.340 Yeah.

01:09:18.600 So in the end, over 15,000 people voted.

01:09:22.820 And the final three were supermodel Gigi Hadid, daughter of known anti-Semite Mohammed Hadid.

01:09:29.040 So it's a family affair over there.

01:09:31.340 Hamas head, Haniyeh, and Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib.

01:09:37.580 And who is the winner?

01:09:39.560 So our winner, again, over 15,000 people voted.

01:09:43.700 And Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib won the dishonor.

01:09:47.860 Right.

01:09:48.460 Exactly.

01:09:48.920 Won, in air quotes.

01:09:49.920 Yeah.

01:09:50.280 She beat the head of Hamas?

01:09:51.640 She did.

01:09:52.500 Wow.

01:09:52.720 That's how Americans view her anti-Semitism as being that egregious.

01:09:59.640 So why?

01:10:00.280 She beat out the head of Hamas.

01:10:01.780 Like, for people who, I think people have a general feel that the squad is generally pretty anti-Semitic in their comments and so on.

01:10:08.420 And she's been sort of the leader.

01:10:09.940 She's the only Palestinian elected to Congress.

01:10:12.280 So what is it specifically that she's done that you think got her this dishonor?

01:10:16.580 So since day one, since she's been elected, it's one anti-Semitic incident after another.

01:10:22.620 The first day that she was sworn in and into office, what she did was replace Israel on a map with a sticky note of Palestine.

01:10:31.960 She constantly votes for pro-BDS legislation.

01:10:38.600 Explain what that is for people who know it.

01:10:39.760 So the anti-Semitic BDS boycott divest sanction movement is an anti-Semitic movement that singles out the world's only Jewish nation, Israel, in a double standard methodology that, and it holds it to standards that it holds no other nation.

01:10:56.280 Not what's going on in China, not what's going on in Iran, not what's going on in Sudan, in Russia.

01:11:02.160 Their main focus is these false atrocities and these false claims of genocide and apartheid in Israel.

01:11:09.820 And this is what frustrates so many in the Jewish community and our allies.

01:11:14.140 They have no interest in helping the Palestinians.

01:11:17.100 The only thing that this movement does is vilify and isolate and promote more hatred towards the Jewish community.

01:11:23.820 Yes. What is that? Because you look around just in the wake of this conflict and Jordan won't take the refugees from Palestine and Egypt certainly won't take them.

01:11:33.020 They're like, it's a hard wall. Good luck.

01:11:36.180 And nobody in the Middle East will.

01:11:38.560 So if they're so sympathetic for, you know, towards the Palestinians, why don't they take them?

01:11:43.680 Why? Why aren't they outraged about what's happening to Muslims in other parts of the world?

01:11:47.960 It's just this particular group whom they won't help.

01:11:51.300 So we've been asking this for years now.

01:11:53.940 If you look at the grotesque war happening in Syria, how many fellow Muslims Assad has gassed.

01:12:03.080 If you look at the civil war in Sudan, how many literally there's a genocide happening.

01:12:08.240 You don't hear about it.

01:12:09.640 You don't hear about what's happening in Iran.

01:12:11.280 For some reason, the Arab world is just so grossly focused on this Palestinian conflict.

01:12:21.200 There's financial incentives to keep on promoting it, and they want to keep it a Jewish problem.

01:12:25.480 That's the only thing that makes sense.

01:12:28.680 It works for them on a number of levels.

01:12:31.180 So Rashida Tlaib, she's just, there have been so many examples, but the one that comes to mind

01:12:37.340 is when the Fox reporter got her in the hallway asking her about children who had been murdered by Hamas.

01:12:43.400 We'll play it just to remind the audience at home who she is and what she's sounded like

01:12:47.780 in the wake of these atrocities in Sot 23.

01:12:51.720 Terrorists have cut off babies' heads and burned children alive.

01:12:56.900 Do you support Israel's rights to defend themselves against this neutrality?

01:13:00.980 We're just going to get up through here.

01:13:02.520 You can't comment about Hamas terrorists chopping off babies' heads?

01:13:12.260 Congresswoman, do you have a comment on Hamas terrorists chopping off babies' heads?

01:13:17.780 You have nothing to say about Hamas terrorists chopping off babies' heads?

01:13:27.080 Do you condone what Hamas has done, chopping off babies' heads, burning children alive,

01:13:33.400 breaking women in the streets?

01:13:37.240 Yeah.

01:13:38.520 So that's Rashida Tlaib.

01:13:40.440 Seven times she was asked, correct?

01:13:42.420 Yeah.

01:13:42.620 Seven times she could not muster a word of sympathy.

01:13:47.780 Seven times.

01:13:48.800 We're talking over 1,000 Israelis and foreign nationals butchered.

01:13:53.460 Butchered.

01:13:54.520 We're talking about babies burned alive, countless women raped, girls as young as 12, 13 years old.

01:14:03.180 That's what new testimony and evidence is showing.

01:14:05.860 We're talking about savage raping pedophiles, elderly survivors, some Holocaust survivors,

01:14:12.520 elderly victims, excuse me, some Holocaust survivors, shot point blank in the head at a bus stop.

01:14:17.920 A sitting U.S. Congresswoman being asked seven times if she would denounce the murdering of babies,

01:14:25.940 and she could not say no.

01:14:28.160 This is stomach churning to me as an American.

01:14:31.880 What does it say about her and, I mean, we have a fair amount of the squad coming out of places in Michigan,

01:14:42.000 coming out of Minnesota.

01:14:43.680 What does it say about those pockets?

01:14:45.360 Her district has got a lot of Palestinian Americans now there.

01:14:49.460 What does it say about us that we've elected her?

01:14:54.780 You know, we elected AOC.

01:14:56.860 We elected Ilhan Omar over in Minnesota.

01:15:00.560 Like, things don't seem to be going that great in Dearborn, Michigan.

01:15:04.420 It's not.

01:15:04.940 And it's honestly an embarrassment for America that such a hate-filled individual

01:15:10.100 is sitting in such a prestigious position in the United States government.

01:15:14.620 And the only thing that we can hope for is that she will be voted out of office.

01:15:19.500 But she won't, right?

01:15:20.280 Because her constituency feels as she does.

01:15:22.900 So I'm a very optimistic person,

01:15:25.100 and I'm hoping that her constituency sees that her hate is not getting them anywhere.

01:15:30.800 Her district continues to decline in economic numbers, in health value numbers.

01:15:38.360 I want to know, what is she doing for her district?

01:15:40.780 How much do you worry about the immigration problem right now and who's coming in,

01:15:44.400 given, you know, the Jew hatred that we're seeing spread?

01:15:46.580 Listen, it's concerning.

01:15:47.940 I think we have a massive issue at the southern border, as nearly every American does.

01:15:53.580 And it's extremely concerning when we're hearing in the news

01:15:56.840 that Syrian men, ages 18 through 26, are coming through the southern border.

01:16:04.020 What are they doing?

01:16:05.680 And listen, I'm an immigrant from the former Soviet Union.

01:16:08.660 We came here when I was five years old to escape communism, and it's evil twin socialism.

01:16:14.620 So I'm an immigrant.

01:16:16.480 I'm for legal immigration, for proper procedures and protocols and policies,

01:16:22.120 and for proper vetting.

01:16:23.620 However, when we're seeing, you know, men age 18 coming, where are the women?

01:16:30.300 Where are the children?

01:16:31.340 Why are we seeing young men from the Middle East?

01:16:34.460 So it's extremely concerning.

01:16:36.480 Do we really want to become France?

01:16:37.720 Have you seen what's happened to French people?

01:16:39.420 Have you seen the change in culture over there,

01:16:41.560 the change in what's happening with young women

01:16:43.600 and how they're not able to walk around in certain areas with tank tops anymore

01:16:46.940 without getting harassed?

01:16:47.860 No, there are no-go zones.

01:16:49.040 Yeah, absolutely.

01:16:49.720 The French police are even afraid, you know, to go in certain areas.

01:16:53.460 So no, do we want that in the United States?

01:16:56.740 And the answer is no, absolutely not.

01:16:58.540 She seems like she'd be fine with it.

01:16:59.940 Tlaib, I think, would be delighted to see that happen

01:17:02.740 because she's been on the wrong side of virtually every issue relating to Israel

01:17:06.600 or Jewish people from the start.

01:17:09.580 And you see, like, dead babies, tortured children and tortured elderly,

01:17:14.480 and you have any reaction other than,

01:17:16.120 I'm horrified and I'm happy to tell you that in a microphone.

01:17:20.260 There's something wrong with you.

01:17:21.460 Like, there's something wrong with this person.

01:17:23.580 But she's not alone.

01:17:25.020 She's not alone.

01:17:25.580 That's why you had so many to choose from.

01:17:27.900 And there's a story every day.

01:17:30.660 And God bless you guys at Stop Anti-Semitism because, as you know,

01:17:33.460 I'm all over your ex-feed.

01:17:34.720 You are.

01:17:35.000 Thank you so much for your allyship.

01:17:36.320 Of course.

01:17:36.740 I can't believe it.

01:17:37.920 It's like drinking from a fire hose, right?

01:17:40.180 You must have so many people sending you things.

01:17:43.420 And among other things, those hostage teardown videos are so irritating because the callousness

01:17:52.960 with which the nine times out of 10, it's like some young female, it's men too,

01:17:58.420 but, like, it's often some young female woke college campus loser who has zero empathy

01:18:04.560 for what's happening in many cases to the female hostages, including Americans, right now.

01:18:10.500 So we put together just a little montage of some of the best of.

01:18:14.120 Here it is in South 30.

01:18:14.940 Why are you ripping these down?

01:18:17.080 Because it's false information and you're beat.

01:18:19.320 What's false?

01:18:19.840 Hold on.

01:18:20.520 What's false about it?

01:18:21.360 Listen, I'm going to rip it off whether you're here, recording me or not.

01:18:23.640 I already spoke to a cop.

01:18:24.500 This shit is legal.

01:18:25.040 So you're beat.

01:18:25.400 No, stop.

01:18:26.260 You're so beat.

01:18:27.100 It's 100% legal and you're beat.

01:18:29.000 What you going to do about it?

01:18:30.020 You fucking outrageous.

01:18:32.080 What's outrageous?

01:18:33.380 You.

01:18:34.920 Why don't you do something for Palestine?

01:18:37.160 Why don't you do me?

01:18:37.980 This is for Palestine.

01:18:38.940 I'm not in your name.

01:18:39.920 Show your face.

01:18:40.820 Show your face.

01:18:41.500 Show your face.

01:18:42.640 Don't worry about it.

01:18:43.420 You guys, I'm not touching you.

01:18:45.080 You're harassing us.

01:18:45.920 No, no, no.

01:18:47.980 You're beat all of us.

01:18:49.660 Why are you tearing them down?

01:18:51.720 Innocent people were kidnapped.

01:18:55.560 I'm tearing down a poster of my cousin Sharon.

01:18:59.660 She is currently hostage in Gaza right now.

01:19:01.700 What the fuck are you doing?

01:19:03.300 That is my cousin.

01:19:05.240 My cousin's hostage in Gaza and you're tearing the poster down of her.

01:19:09.120 That when they won't show their faces, I mean, it's especially annoying.

01:19:16.680 Like you don't even have the guts to own what you're doing.

01:19:19.880 We view it as challenging where it gives us extra incentive to see who they are and kind

01:19:25.880 of look into, you know, their methodology, their internal thinking as to why they're doing

01:19:30.380 what they're doing.

01:19:30.720 How often do you get your man or woman when you post and say, please help us identify who

01:19:34.040 this is?

01:19:34.420 We're about a 50% success, right?

01:19:36.060 Okay.

01:19:37.540 And I have to tell you, it's, yeah, it's a lot of college kids.

01:19:43.700 We've had a few medical professionals.

01:19:46.020 Yep.

01:19:46.300 I've seen that.

01:19:46.800 A dentist.

01:19:47.640 More than a few.

01:19:48.580 A parent dentist.

01:19:48.820 Right.

01:19:49.260 I'm using that loosely.

01:19:51.420 And it's honestly, what's troubling to me, you know, some of these women doing it are

01:19:58.300 mothers, we've found out.

01:20:00.200 And when you're looking at a poster of a kidnapped baby and you have any other thought than awe

01:20:07.440 or, oh my gosh, what happened or anything besides empathy or compassion, and instead

01:20:13.600 you have this rage and anger that causes you to actually destroy property that's not yours,

01:20:21.240 this, you have to ask what kind of person, how much hate do you have to be filled with

01:20:25.980 to physically tear something down and destroy it?

01:20:29.500 I know.

01:20:30.320 No, it's true because I see the videotapes of, you know, the hurting Palestinian children

01:20:36.100 in this.

01:20:36.420 It's heartbreaking.

01:20:37.140 It's heartbreaking.

01:20:38.000 Yes.

01:20:38.280 That's what a normal person feels when you see suffering like that.

01:20:42.400 I have the right perspective.

01:20:43.900 I understand that this has been unleashed on them by Hamas and that Israel's doing everything

01:20:49.240 within its power to not hurt innocents, to not hurt children, but you wouldn't know

01:20:52.940 that from the mainstream narrative.

01:20:54.940 Have you been surprised at how quickly the Democrats, not all, but many, have abandoned

01:21:02.180 Israel in this and gone quickly to cease fire, cease fire?

01:21:05.900 So I have to tell you, when we look back at Tlaib, we were so pleasantly surprised to see

01:21:10.320 22 members of her own party who have basically said, enough is enough.

01:21:15.540 They censured her.

01:21:16.140 Yes.

01:21:17.000 And she became at that time, the 26th member of the house to be censured.

01:21:21.860 Thank God.

01:21:22.840 Finally, unfortunately took a massacre like October 7th for many members of her own party

01:21:29.240 to say enough is enough.

01:21:30.860 Again, it's how much anti-Semitism do you have to spew?

01:21:34.440 Well, and in that case, she had been openly lying about Israel and was caught about bombing

01:21:40.320 the hospital.

01:21:41.040 And even when the leftists on MSNBC were saying, okay, that wasn't right, and the New York

01:21:47.120 Times had to correct its headline, I mean, even then, she refused to acknowledge reality.

01:21:53.800 Yes.

01:21:54.240 She was even community noted.

01:21:55.700 So above the New York Times, right?

01:21:57.440 Above XYZ.

01:21:59.060 She was community noted.

01:22:00.220 She still refused to take down that libelous tweet because her one goal while sitting in

01:22:06.700 office is not appeasing her constituents, is not making her communities better that she's

01:22:11.600 representing.

01:22:12.380 It's vilifying the world's only Jewish country, Israel.

01:22:16.920 I mean, do you think it didn't used to be so partisan when it came to Israel in the United

01:22:21.200 States?

01:22:21.600 It used to have bipartisan support.

01:22:23.340 And then we saw that thing at the Democratic National Convention.

01:22:26.880 I can't remember the year.

01:22:27.700 I think it was 2012.

01:22:28.880 Yep.

01:22:29.320 Was it 12 or 16?

01:22:30.340 I think it was 12.

01:22:30.940 12.

01:22:31.340 Where they weren't in support and they made it clear, right?

01:22:35.560 Remember that?

01:22:36.020 They shouted out.

01:22:36.880 It was like, do we support as part of our platform that we support Israel?

01:22:40.020 And they either tried to vote it down or did vote it down.

01:22:42.880 It was a shocking moment, I remember.

01:22:44.380 Yep.

01:22:45.160 And since then, in the explosion of DEI, it's turned.

01:22:49.180 And then there's a segment on the right, too.

01:22:51.120 There's a segment on the right.

01:22:52.380 I mean, for sure, the alt-right.

01:22:53.700 They've been wanting to kill Ben Shapiro or silence Ben Shapiro and other Jewish, you

01:22:57.440 know, prominent Americans for a long time.

01:22:59.020 1,000%.

01:22:59.600 They kind of met around the bend there, those two groups.

01:23:02.580 And man, oh man, it's exploded.

01:23:04.300 It has.

01:23:05.060 And the most startling thing that we're seeing is that white supremacists keep referring to

01:23:10.280 the Zionist that, the Zionist that, the Zionist this, the Zionist nation.

01:23:14.160 And what they're doing, they're adopting this radical left language that the squad has just

01:23:20.520 mastered with AOC and Bowman and Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib.

01:23:26.040 And now we see Summer Lee into that mix since the last election cycle.

01:23:31.500 And what they do, it's-

01:23:32.740 Where is she from?

01:23:33.180 She's PA.

01:23:34.600 She's a representative in Pennsylvania.

01:23:37.240 Yeah, it was a very close race.

01:23:38.980 Not ready for prime time.

01:23:40.240 She's not.

01:23:41.080 We were very concerned.

01:23:42.180 When we saw the Shell organization running all of these squad members, Justice Dems, pushing

01:23:47.720 her with all their might.

01:23:49.260 She won by a very, very tiny margin.

01:23:52.400 You know, we're hearing that our constituents are also not very thrilled with her, which,

01:23:56.460 you know, gives us a little bit of hope.

01:23:58.440 But we're seeing for the first time this massive horseshoe theory where the alt-right and these

01:24:05.120 neo-Nazis on the right are mirroring the exact rhetoric these radical lefties are mirroring,

01:24:10.600 are spewing.

01:24:11.600 And it's so frightening.

01:24:12.420 And it has Jews in the middle.

01:24:13.600 Yeah.

01:24:14.320 Like, it's scary.

01:24:15.280 It's very scary.

01:24:16.560 There are the incidents where we could spend all day going through the incidents.

01:24:19.300 I'll just touch on a couple of the ones that we saw recently.

01:24:22.100 This past weekend or week in New York, in Westchester, a high school basketball game in Yonkers had

01:24:30.680 to be canceled mid-game.

01:24:32.040 I'm sure you saw this.

01:24:32.840 Yep.

01:24:33.180 Mid-game.

01:24:33.940 Yep.

01:24:34.400 When players on the home team, which was, hold on, I want to make sure I say it.

01:24:38.720 Was it Roosevelt?

01:24:39.680 Roosevelt.

01:24:41.080 Roosevelt High School, a public school in Yonkers, faced off against a private Jewish school

01:24:46.680 players from the Leffel school and thought it might be fun to scream, you fucking Jew,

01:24:54.220 at these girls.

01:24:55.400 I support Hamas.

01:24:56.740 Forgive me for just saying it outright.

01:24:58.840 And they had to stop the game in the middle of the game.

01:25:02.960 They said that from the outset, the Jewish players were being shown hostility and aggression,

01:25:08.920 substantially more jabs and comments thrown than they had ever experienced in the past,

01:25:13.500 quoting here from, let's see, I actually don't even know where I printed this out from, but

01:25:19.860 I'll find it.

01:25:20.960 And in the middle, they decided to end the game.

01:25:24.860 Roosevelt High School agreed to a voluntary forfeit.

01:25:27.680 And now the Roosevelt, although the spokesman for Yonkers Public Schools doesn't seem to care

01:25:33.380 much, downplayed the shocking behavior saying, oh, a student athlete made a statement involving

01:25:37.800 free Palestine.

01:25:38.880 It was addressed.

01:25:39.880 That's it.

01:25:40.500 Yeah, no.

01:25:40.840 So the coach, apparently I learned this morning that the coach stepped down or was fired or

01:25:47.040 forcibly resigned, something like that.

01:25:50.240 However, no one knows his identity.

01:25:52.920 So I'd love it if one of your listeners or somebody new, please, I invite them to email

01:25:57.660 us at info at stop antisemitism.org.

01:26:00.120 Okay.

01:26:00.400 And let us know who this coach is because he doesn't deserve the anonymity.

01:26:03.780 If I have to tell you, I don't think this is the first time this happened.

01:26:07.140 Um, I think there was probably, you know, antisemitic bigoted language, probably in the locker room

01:26:12.180 during practice times, things like that.

01:26:13.960 The fact that, um, it came to this fiasco of a, you know, situation, you know, leads me

01:26:21.320 to believe that this coach should have been let go a while ago.

01:26:25.340 I don't understand why his identity is being hidden.

01:26:27.740 And also would love to know, um, other players that were involved, um, that were not punished.

01:26:33.300 As far as we know, only one player was removed from the team.

01:26:36.900 We're hearing from the school, the Jewish school, however, that multiple, uh, players

01:26:42.000 from Roosevelt were making the antisemitic racist comments.

01:26:45.100 So it's being minimized.

01:26:46.460 It's trying to be brushed under the rug.

01:26:48.020 The good news, you know, it's out there, it's in the media, but stop antisemitism exists

01:26:53.160 to expose who these antisemites are, who is allowing this hatred.

01:26:57.440 So we want to know.

01:26:58.220 So if anybody out there knows, please email us info at stop antisemitism.org.

01:27:02.020 This is one of the debates that we've been having in the country.

01:27:03.680 And I, I had it with Vivek Ramaswamy on X.

01:27:06.720 And then when he came on my show after the fourth presidential debate, he, he is against

01:27:11.060 the outing of really names and attaching consequences to those who are protesting against Israel in

01:27:21.500 even an offensive way.

01:27:22.780 I mean, he basically says, and forgive me, Vivek, if I get it a little wrong, but, um,

01:27:27.640 you can look at his comments directly.

01:27:29.320 He said it on Twitter and elsewhere that we shouldn't be punishing stupid college kids

01:27:34.080 for stupid positions that they had, you know, and which response was, I say, well, this isn't

01:27:38.120 like joining Greenpeace and then later realizing, wait, that was folly.

01:27:41.960 This is something, you know, very different.

01:27:44.480 So I have to tell you, um, and he's not the only one that states that.

01:27:47.900 And our answer is stop treating 18 year olds like infants.

01:27:53.500 They can vote.

01:27:54.520 They can serve in the army.

01:27:55.560 They can buy guns.

01:27:56.680 They can smoke.

01:27:57.480 The only thing that they can't do at 18, 19, 20 is drink.

01:28:01.280 So no, stop infant, infantilizing terror supporters.

01:28:06.280 And secondly, we're not exposing anybody who's critiquing Israel.

01:28:10.580 You want to critique Israel.

01:28:11.560 I mean, go look at the Jewish community.

01:28:13.040 We love critiquing Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, the cabinet.

01:28:16.880 That's not anti-Semitic.

01:28:18.960 What's anti-Semitic is calling for the removal of the world's only Jewish nation.

01:28:23.000 It's boycotting the world's only Jewish nation.

01:28:25.760 Well, you're ignoring actual atrocities happening globally.

01:28:29.320 So I respectfully disagree.

01:28:32.240 They have First Amendment rights to spew their speech, to support Hamas verbally.

01:28:37.560 And we have, you know, our First Amendment rights to expose that.

01:28:42.920 To call them out.

01:28:43.580 Absolutely.

01:28:44.100 To alert their students, their professors, their university presidents, their university

01:28:49.420 presidents to see who amongst them are supporting Hamas.

01:28:53.580 Because again, this isn't like, oh, Israel is bad.

01:28:55.880 Palestine is good.

01:28:56.660 OK, great.

01:28:57.320 That's like you like vanilla.

01:28:58.380 You like chocolate.

01:28:59.360 We don't care.

01:28:59.940 However, if you're saying there's Hamas terrorists are resistance fighters and they did nothing

01:29:05.320 wrong, this is insane.

01:29:07.500 And at 18 years old, I had the intelligence level to know not to support a terror group.

01:29:14.560 Yeah.

01:29:15.040 You're either very, very dumb and uninformed or you're very, very hateful.

01:29:19.620 Yes.

01:29:20.060 To justify anything.

01:29:21.080 And we lean and we're leaning towards the hateful, unfortunately, which is so frightening.

01:29:26.740 You've got evidence of it.

01:29:27.660 Yeah.

01:29:27.840 You've got plenty of evidence.

01:29:28.940 I have to give a shout out to Syracuse University.

01:29:31.920 I'm sorry.

01:29:32.440 They're not perfect.

01:29:33.640 But Syracuse University on camera made the rounds on social media this weekend.

01:29:39.300 It happened in mid-December where the administrator is enforcing the code of conduct against a bunch

01:29:45.900 of students who are calling for an intifada.

01:29:48.640 It's going to be easier for the YouTube audience because you kind of need to see it in the captions,

01:29:52.420 but I'm going to play it anyway.

01:29:53.320 Watch it.

01:29:53.740 He's telling me you can't call for intifada.

01:30:13.620 The one girl is like, where?

01:30:32.620 What policy?

01:30:33.320 Show it to me.

01:30:33.980 And he gives it to her saying it's right there.

01:30:36.160 You can hear the edge rise in this.

01:30:38.120 She's not asking for a definition.

01:30:40.100 I'm like, they're not used to being, they're not used to being told no.

01:30:43.800 Yeah.

01:30:44.580 And no is no.

01:30:45.520 It's like he's talking to a group of toddlers.

01:30:48.000 Right across the way in Cornell, they've been handling things very differently.

01:30:53.280 Right?

01:30:53.660 That's where you had the professor out there like, I was exhilarated to see all the Jews

01:30:57.240 die.

01:30:57.520 Yes.

01:30:58.260 And what happened to him?

01:30:59.460 He got a slap on the hand.

01:31:00.460 He can't teach for a semester.

01:31:01.720 It's pathetic.

01:31:02.800 And furthermore, if we look at Cornell, it's so bad there.

01:31:05.600 The FBI is investigating the antisemitism there after a student was arrested posting on

01:31:11.580 a thread board his desire to murder Jews.

01:31:14.080 Right.

01:31:15.040 Now they've taken to, you know, the college campuses pulling down the posters, but they've

01:31:20.520 also taken to stopping traffic in New York.

01:31:24.680 We have some video, it happened over the weekend in, I think it was Seattle, Washington, or

01:31:29.780 it was Oregon.

01:31:30.840 My team will tell me, but this, you tell me whether this is the way forward to make it

01:31:37.060 impossible for commuters to get to work, to get to their sports game, to get home to their

01:31:44.040 family.

01:31:44.640 I mean, talk about undermining your own campaign.

01:31:48.020 If you're looking to create enemies, please continue doing this because it has to be the

01:31:54.220 silliest, most counterproductive thing that I think any kind of activist movement could

01:32:00.900 do.

01:32:01.980 Let's take a look at what happened JFK during the holiday.

01:32:04.860 You're watching right now.

01:32:05.820 JFK during holiday, during the holiday season.

01:32:08.100 I mean, we all know how stressful it is flying in and out of JFK.

01:32:12.060 You know, you're running late.

01:32:13.000 There's traffic.

01:32:13.660 Weather's crazy.

01:32:14.440 Yada, yada.

01:32:14.920 All of a sudden, you see a blockade of people.

01:32:17.500 It got so bad.

01:32:18.220 People had to get out of their car and walk with their suitcases to their gates.

01:32:21.400 Or in Seattle this past weekend when they barricaded the five.

01:32:25.280 Yes, that's what it was.

01:32:26.120 And there was an ambulance with its lights.

01:32:29.540 Look at this, courtesy of Jason Rance.

01:32:30.820 He's been on the show.

01:32:31.740 It's crazy.

01:32:32.580 I can't imagine the anger you would feel at that mob we just showed, making it so that

01:32:36.360 you couldn't get to the grocery store, to the doctor for your medication, to the pharmacy,

01:32:41.220 to the hospital, to your job.

01:32:43.360 What is this doing to quote unquote free Palestine?

01:32:45.640 It's doing nothing.

01:32:46.520 It's creating more hate and division.

01:32:48.360 It's the silliest thing that we, it's silly, it's dumb, it's counterproductive.

01:32:53.380 And the people who are funding it, which we think it's the People's Forum, it's this

01:32:57.540 multi-million dollar project out of New York City.

01:33:02.120 They're doing nothing to help the Palestinian people.

01:33:04.920 The only thing they're managing to do is grab headlines and create more hate and division.

01:33:09.220 What did you make of that picture of Jennifer Garner and her daughter, Violet?

01:33:14.640 Violet, one of the daughters she shares with Ben Affleck, with this mask.

01:33:18.640 I mean, it was like, you would think typhoid had returned.

01:33:22.280 It was like, next level.

01:33:24.580 Listen, I have a mother who's, you know, knock on wood, Bizarat Hashem.

01:33:29.800 Um, she is a survivor of leukemia.

01:33:32.840 So anything, heaven forbid, can really harm her.

01:33:36.640 So I never want to insult somebody if they're a little bit extra concerned about germs.

01:33:41.460 She's outside.

01:33:42.280 Okay.

01:33:42.640 I, I'm not one to judge.

01:33:43.720 It's none of my business.

01:33:44.740 What I am concerned though, is the Palestinian, the free Palestine movement has taken a fruit,

01:33:52.080 a watermelon, and has repurposed it as a sign of the free Palestine movement.

01:33:57.280 And what's so funny to me is that Israel is actually one of the largest exporters of watermelons.

01:34:02.980 So this is what she was wearing it.

01:34:04.540 That's why.

01:34:04.980 Yeah.

01:34:05.220 So that's why I'm, that's why I'm mentioning it.

01:34:06.840 But what it is, um, or what this hoodie that she was wearing, it basically was this watermelon,

01:34:12.140 uh, taking over the entire land.

01:34:14.720 And whether you have Judea and Samaria, otherwise known as the West Bank, you have Israel proper,

01:34:18.680 you have Gaza, the watermelon encompass the entire land from the river, from the Jordan river

01:34:23.220 to the Mediterranean sea, which again, when there's the, when they're chanting from the

01:34:27.180 river to the sea, 90% of it have no idea what the hell they're saying.

01:34:30.680 They can't name it.

01:34:31.320 No, of course not.

01:34:32.460 Um, they're like, Oh yeah.

01:34:33.460 What mountain range?

01:34:34.460 Yada, yada.

01:34:34.880 It's, it's ridiculous.

01:34:36.520 So she's wearing this sweatshirt with this watermelon stretched across, you know, you know,

01:34:41.440 encompassing the entire land and social media blew up.

01:34:45.740 And at first I was like, you know, this is just silly.

01:34:48.240 We shouldn't really feature it.

01:34:49.160 Then my team was like, no, we actually should.

01:34:50.960 She's an adult.

01:34:52.140 She's 18 years old now.

01:34:53.760 She is promoting something.

01:34:55.600 She has nothing like no, no idea.

01:34:58.960 That's the thing.

01:35:00.040 Right.

01:35:00.420 To millions.

01:35:01.540 And it's, it's problematic because when we look at what's happening behind the scenes

01:35:05.820 to, you know, with kids on Tik TOK, on Instagram, being fed this constant anti-Semitic false

01:35:12.240 propaganda by the likes of Sean King and so on and so forth, it's, it's a problem.

01:35:17.500 And she's the product of it.

01:35:18.600 What do we do about Tik TOK?

01:35:19.800 Well, I'm hoping one day we get rid of Tik TOK in the United States.

01:35:24.480 I mean, it's not in our home.

01:35:26.460 Yeah.

01:35:26.600 It's not in ours either.

01:35:27.940 And, you know, I'm not against social media.

01:35:30.360 You know, we, we have it.

01:35:31.900 We obviously stop anti-Semitism utilizes the social media platforms, but Tik TOK is so

01:35:38.060 extremely problematic.

01:35:39.240 We hope that one day it's removed from the United States.

01:35:42.820 I will tell you, my kids are not allowed on Tik TOK, but there are a lot of adults that

01:35:46.840 use it.

01:35:47.480 And so I do go there as a, as a news person, because I agree with what Vivek said at that

01:35:53.060 one debate, even though he sort of had flip-flopped on it.

01:35:55.880 We, we do need to be getting our message out there.

01:35:57.880 Like I, I will continue saying the things I'm saying and putting them on Tik TOK in the

01:36:02.140 hopes that somebody will listen to me until Tik TOK is no longer a thing because we can't

01:36:07.380 the answer is not just to cede the whole conversation.

01:36:09.220 Should we get on Tik TOK?

01:36:10.560 Yeah.

01:36:11.080 Yeah.

01:36:11.420 Yes.

01:36:11.880 Maybe we'll get on.

01:36:12.600 Go there under protest.

01:36:13.600 If you, if you tell me to get on, maybe I'll get on.

01:36:15.140 Why would we see the whole debate in front of young people to the lunatics?

01:36:19.540 Listen, I have to tell you the thing that really, it's not just myself, the whole romanticizing

01:36:25.240 Osama bin Laden.

01:36:26.520 Oh my God.

01:36:27.500 Wow.

01:36:27.900 If that didn't open people's eyes.

01:36:29.660 Oh, and then a few weeks later, you have a member of the LGBTQ plus community promoting

01:36:35.360 the Quran.

01:36:37.360 Yeah.

01:36:37.960 And wow.

01:36:39.500 I'm like, uh, are you not aware of what happens to members of the LGBTQ community in the Middle

01:36:45.220 East?

01:36:45.500 It's punishable by death in certain countries.

01:36:48.060 They didn't, they didn't read to the end.

01:36:49.100 They didn't.

01:36:50.000 No, they didn't.

01:36:51.200 I got to run because we're out of time.

01:36:52.480 Leora, thank you for all you do.

01:36:53.960 God bless you.

01:36:54.540 No, thanks so much for having me.

01:36:55.480 All the best.

01:36:55.860 So much fun.

01:36:56.360 Come back anytime tomorrow.

01:36:57.600 Victor Davis Hanson.

01:36:59.660 Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - January 08, 2024

Golden Globes Jokes Bomb, New Jeffrey Epstein Docs, and Antisemite of the Year, with Maureen Callahan and Liora Rez ｜ Ep. 697

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