The Megyn Kelly Show - Goldie Hawn on the Importance of Family, Her Storied Career, and Mental Health

00:00:00.480 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:11.940 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.200 Have we got a show for you today.

00:00:17.520 One of the best and most unique performers to ever grace the screen joins me today, Goldie Hawn.

00:00:24.240 Goldie has been making us laugh and smile for decades with her impeccably timed comedy and sunny disposition.

00:00:32.560 Beyond that thousand watt grin is a fascinating life full of hard work, persistence, and remarkable life lessons that will be sure to brighten your day.

00:00:40.980 And her focus now is not just on her own mental health, which she's nailed.

00:00:45.380 It's on everyone's and most importantly, our children's.

00:00:49.520 Goldie, so good to have you here. Thanks for coming on.

00:00:51.420 I'm so happy to be here with you. This is really fun.

00:00:55.360 I mean, we could have been at a wonderful restaurant and do the things that we do off camera, but it's just really great to see you.

00:01:02.780 And thanks for having me.

00:01:04.340 Oh, my pleasure. You're such a doll. It's a privilege to call you a friend.

00:01:07.500 I have a yellow lab, an English puppy yellow lab. English. This guy is eating my feet right now.

00:01:15.520 Oh my gosh. I can relate to this.

00:01:18.280 Now, I mean, you've got another little guy going behind you. Who's that other little guy trying to get out?

00:01:22.480 He's like, she didn't mention me and I'm out of here.

00:01:24.300 It's great.

00:01:25.420 Look at him. Who's the little guy? Look at him. It's the guy over your right shoulder.

00:01:28.720 This is Benny. Okay. They can't live without each other, by the way. It's like the, you know, the mouse and the giant, but it's so fun.

00:01:35.680 And I hear you've got one too. So we, you know, we both have these wonderful, amazing yellow labs.

00:01:41.580 You don't want to get me started. I have my yellow English. She's a doll. Thunder. She's three.

00:01:46.900 Then we thought if one is great, two would be even better. And we got Stredwick.

00:01:51.320 And he is about nine months old. And no sooner do I tell the world that Stredwick is getting better because he's been a menace his first nine months.

00:01:59.740 Then in the course of 24 hours, he ate a box of markers. He ate, um, he, he booked this, broke this decorative vase.

00:02:07.300 We had, he ate a loaf of bread. Um, and he took an enormous shit in our family room.

00:02:13.040 Yeah. It is so crazy. We're doing the same thing with this dog. I mean, we'd love him to pieces, but he ate like the side of the house.

00:02:21.580 I mean, we thought we were really like, here's an area for him, you know, to be in play and whatever. And it's contained and nothing. No, no. He started eating the side of the house.

00:02:32.380 So we couldn't put him there. Right. So, I mean, it's just, it's like, he's getting a little bit better, but, you know, watch him every second.

00:02:39.480 Yes. That's how it is.

00:02:40.440 Yeah. We may have to, he just, yeah. I may have to like, um, move him out of the room.

00:02:46.440 No worries. Clearly we have some, we have some commercial breaks. Um, yes, no, I know our older dog is looking at Stredwick like, they've told you not to do that a million times. Stop it. They're going to get rid of you if you keep this up, which we aren't. But man, oh man. Yeah. He's either as stupido or just bad. I don't know.

00:03:06.120 Oh, it's too great. I swear. And we're having a great time.

00:03:09.920 What are you drinking there? What's in your cup?

00:03:12.360 I have a coffee. So I'm, you know, I'm drinking my, my third cup. I've been getting up very, very early this morning. I mean, you know, early news, working in early news is really quite a grind. It's great. We have to have early, you know, early news shows.

00:03:27.580 But everybody that I know gets up at three in the morning. I mean, it's, it's a really interesting life because you have to take a nap. I mean, if I was, you know, on a new show or today's show or, you know, whatever, any of these different show spots, you, you really wake up with the, you know, before the birds.

00:03:44.360 And, and then you do the show and then you finish for the day, which is great. But ultimately, you know, I walked around it like a zombie. So I've been doing that, talking about what we're going to talk about as well.

00:03:56.200 Um, but I'm just saying, you know, I'm great. It's all good, but it's, it's, it's really interesting, interesting way to spend your life.

00:04:03.820 Now I've, I've gotten, gone to dinner with some gals who do the show and do different shows in the morning and they really have to get to bed early and it's an early dinner and, uh, you know, waking up at three or four in the morning.

00:04:16.600 So you, uh, you get up early and you think, cause I used to work this schedule for a while and you think, okay, great. I'm going to have the rest of my day to be with my kids, to get my stuff done.

00:04:25.880 And what you realize is you're just garbage for the rest of the day. You, you, without a massive nap, you can't function.

00:04:32.680 You can't function. It's really, it's really interesting. So anyway, I'm just short way of saying, I'm glad I'm, I'm not having everyday grind at the news.

00:04:41.680 Yes. I don't blame you. Yeah. Cause you want to, you're promoting your program. We've talked about it before and we will talk about it today too. Mind up, which I love and I think is needed now more than ever for all sorts of reasons.

00:04:52.260 It's only gotten more necessary since the last time I interviewed you on camera. Um, but let's start with, let's start broader. Let's start with you. Let's start with what's happening in our country. Let's start with COVID. Cause I wonder, you've been out in LA for a lot of this, you know, past two years and LA and New York have been to the most locked down, masked up, closed up cities. And how has that been affecting you guys? How have you been navigating that?

00:05:16.200 Uh, we have navigated this. I have to say, you know, we're the lucky ones. And I did a lot of, uh, I did, I did a lot of things there to talking to people, whether it was schools or principals or school superintendents, as well as, um, I spoke to a lot of people in the UK as well, using sort of the ways of mind up and how we, uh, kind of manage our emotions and,

00:05:40.260 and, and, and breathe and, and really focus on how to de-stress ourselves with this sense of the unknown. Uh, personally, um, we did, we did pretty well. There are so many people that were not. So it was always a, a kind of an apology, which is, you know, I've got it really great. I have a garden outside. I have a nice house. There's a lot of things that I enjoyed, to tell you the truth, having to stay home.

00:06:06.180 I didn't have to get on a plane. I fly around a lot. So I was, you know, basically somebody put my feet to the ground and it was this COVID, but we were all frightened. We washed everything that all of our groceries stayed outside for 24 hours.

00:06:21.920 I mean, we did all of these very extreme measures because we were afraid that this particular virus was on everything. Absolutely everything. Anything you touched, it did. Wiping down all of our, our door knobs, not, not knowing who was at the front door.

00:06:39.460 On the other hand, what that did do for me. And I think for, uh, quite a few people, it had a more, an effect on a positive way. And I think a lot of it is because of the, of, because of the anxiety, because of the workload that happens through in your life. And something happened to everyone that said, I can stay home now.

00:07:03.360 I can be with my family now. I can connect to the things that matter the most. And in some ways that's what happened to me is that rat race of running, doing, having to, you know, leave, go to New York, go to Europe, go to London, go, you know, a lot of things that I did because of work and the program.

00:07:23.320 And a lot of things I did because I didn't want to miss out on anything. And then other things that had to do with a different sort of work. So I got to, I put my suitcase away. I went outside in my backyard and I watched everything clear up. I watched the sky get bluer. I didn't hear any noise. I didn't have traffic. I, I didn't hear airplanes. I, I, and then I started looking at all the things that were clearing up, like not just the air, but, but rivers.

00:07:53.320 Rivers, rivers that had been polluted for years. And I was looking at my, my, my, my, my rivers, rivers in India, actually, cause I spent a lot of time here and they were getting clean again.

00:08:04.480 And I thought how much of us as human beings actually are creating where we are today?

00:08:14.620 All the things we could not be doing, you know, however, we've got, you know, industry commerce, there's all kinds of things that have to run, but

00:08:22.800 I realized how much we matter as humans, what we do, how we behave, how we think, how we sleep.

00:08:33.700 So there was a level of stress on one level for me that I didn't have.

00:08:40.900 I cooked more. I spent time with my son. It was precious time.

00:08:46.620 Um, I was, you know, it's one of those things that you think, oh my God, this is so scary. But sometimes when you have to go inside, there are some blessings in that.

00:08:59.320 Hmm. Well, I mean, you, you've been mindful of family and connections your whole life. I mean, I, one of the things that's extraordinary about you is you have, um, you and Kurt together have four kids.

00:09:12.340 And three out of four of them are pretty famous and very successful in Hollywood on camera and behind the camera. And they all seem pretty normal. I mean, that's, that's what's so weird about you. Right. It's like, well, I was going to ask, how did you, how did you manage that? But I think I know you, you prioritize them. You, you found a way to actually spend time with your own children.

00:09:34.480 Yeah, we do. And, and, and, and one of the reasons is, is that, you know, at number one, a Kurt like me, I mean, we just, we're just family people and nothing will take, take, take that away. Okay. So if we have an opportunity to be together, we are, in fact, why it just finally moved right in the neighborhood. I mean, we're so excited. We're all together.

00:09:58.220 So it's really a special unit that we have, you know, we can drop everybody's house. We can be together. All the children can be together. I mean, right now. Okay. I have, uh, Oliver and the family. They're living with us. Why? Because they're fixing their floors and they're, they're doing stuff. And so they've come over here for a few months to live.

00:10:24.160 It's just, you know, we're just a couple of miles away from each other. But I look at it and I'm thinking, if we don't value what we've got, our family is everything. Then they're not going to flourish. I mean, so you say, okay, these are normal people. But my father was the one that said to me, go, I want you to look out at that ocean. I want you to stand out there. And I want you to know how small you are.

00:10:48.020 I want you to know that you're basically a part of the whole, and that's important. But if you get too big for your britches, just remember who you are. So there was reality in my life that was always about what the truth was. It wasn't what when some highfalutin dream was.

00:11:07.620 And so I think the basics of being together, the sense that we are always focused on each other for the greater good, that to me could, could bring children in the world and create a better world.

00:11:21.880 Hmm. Well, I mean, you've lived it. I've watched it. You know, you're, you're one of those people who doesn't have to go to every Hollywood party so that you can see a bunch of famous people and watch them look over shoulders to see who's more famous, more powerful. You can do that in your living room.

00:11:38.060 Yeah. I mean, it's really true. I mean, I don't have that need and I never did. I will say that when I was younger, you know, you were, you went out more, you know, I mean, just being young by it, but by the nature of being young, you know, you, you know, you have your, your group of people and, and it was a time when it was the Warren Beatty and Jack Nicholson and, you know, all that.

00:12:03.460 I still always felt like a little bit of an outsider and, and I was an outsider at school.

00:12:11.620 So I wasn't, I never had 18 girlfriends. I never belonged to a sorority. You know, I had very special girlfriends. They were my best girlfriends. I had, I met one girl, my only girlfriend, I was two years old and I went over to her house and I asked her if she would play with me.

00:12:32.500 She was just a little bit older than me. That's, and she's still my best friend. And I've lost two of my best friends for pancreatic cancer. And, you know, when you lose your friends, there's a piece of you that goes away.

00:12:48.960 It doesn't mean that you don't go on. It doesn't mean that you don't live your life. But when you talk about who matters to you, it isn't the masses. Like there isn't, you know, being a star. It isn't who you hang with or the parties that you go to. It doesn't have much meaning. What has meaning is, is the people in your life.

00:13:09.200 And that's the way I've always looked at it. Yeah. Otherwise, how can you have time to have intimacy? You know, and intimacy is, is great. So, so the people that I dine with or am hanging out with for any level, it's not because they're anybody special.

00:13:25.900 Or, yeah, you're not that person.

00:13:29.480 You, you don't seem to me like someone who went to Hollywood chasing fame. Like, well, I read about your background. And just from our conversations, you wanted to be a dancer. You love dancing. Your mom owned a dance studio. And, and you maybe were going to be a chorus girl or a prima ballerina. But it wasn't like I need to be a star to fill some void inside of me, which I do think drives a lot of people to get into the entertainment industry.

00:13:53.660 I think you're right. I mean, there's something about wanting to be seen. And, you know, there's a lot of psyche involved, all the psychology involved, you know, as to why you want to be seen, you know, I didn't quite grow up that way. Although I'm a performer by nature. There's no question. I mean, it's really, obviously dancing. I'm three years old. I mean, I was a performer, right. And I was happy. I was a happy kid.

00:14:21.580 I didn't, you know, I didn't go out and seek fame and fortune. In fact, I'll tell you a story. So I was in New York. I just got to New York. It was in May. I remember. And I got to New York because I was dancing at the World's Fair. So I went for an audition in Washington, D.C., which is where I'm from. And I made it, you know, I made the audition. Oh, my God. I went home, mom, daddy. I, you know, I got the audition. I'm going to be dancing at the World's Fair.

00:14:49.560 So all this was like, you know, really, really exciting. And I went to New York. And in May, I was only there a month. And I walked across the street. And this guy stopped me.

00:15:02.480 And he said to me, I'm not trying to put the make on you. I'm not trying to do this. Please believe me. He showed me his watch. It was kind of, I guess, gold. And he said, I go with Tuesday Weld.

00:15:16.760 And Tuesday Weld was an actress back in that day in the 60s. And I went, oh, wow. Okay. So I started, you know, to trust him. I didn't look at him as a bad guy or anything.

00:15:29.720 And he said to me, I just, I just got to tell you, you look just like a character that Al Cap created. And he was a cartoonist. He was also, you know, sort of a, you know, a guy who represented a certain consciousness.

00:15:42.560 And, and so anyway, I said, oh, wow. Al Cap, Lil Abner. Oh, I did Lil Abner in high school. I mean, we did a lot of shows there. And, you know, oh, I know all about that.

00:15:52.620 And he said, oh, great. He said, well, listen, let me, I'm going to talk to you. He said, because I think you'd be really great for Lil Abner. We're doing it on NBC.

00:16:00.880 And you look like a character that he created. And it's a new character. And she's Tenderly Ferrikson.

00:16:07.940 Well, there was, you know, I don't know for those who don't know what Lil Abner was, but it was, you know, it was kind of political in a way.

00:16:15.100 But it was, it was a cartoon and it was a very famous cartoon. And the show, Lil Abner, had songs, you know, I mean, what is it?

00:16:23.120 Something, Jake, trying to think of the name of the song, but Lil Abner anyway, was very famous. I said, great.

00:16:29.700 Right. So I believed him. So I got into his car and we're driving and he dropped me off at an audition that I was going to.

00:16:37.360 And he dropped me off. And as he was driving, he said, you know what? I think you're going to be a really big star.

00:16:43.440 And I looked at him and I said, why? He said, because you have an unusual face.

00:16:49.520 And I thought, hmm, well, he didn't tell me I was pretty and he didn't tell me I was beautiful.

00:16:54.460 He said I had an interesting face, which actually, I mean, I think I did, right?

00:16:59.600 My eyes are too big. I had all kinds of things. I was not, you know, but I was pretty scrutinizing about my face.

00:17:06.120 Although my mother didn't like that I was. She said, don't mess with my work.

00:17:10.700 And I said, I'm scared of my mom, but, you know, I've got my, you know, nose was everything.

00:17:15.540 I was a thing.

00:17:16.100 So I believed him. But the one thing that scared me, and it's a long story to get around to my perception, I didn't want to be a star.

00:17:27.280 It actually scared me. I thought, you know, I don't want to be that person.

00:17:33.520 I just want to be normal. I just want to, you know, I was a dancer.

00:17:38.220 I had a craft. I had something I did well.

00:17:40.860 And I also had a job. So for me, that they were going to make me into a star.

00:17:47.980 And then I eventually the story goes on, which I won't go into.

00:17:51.460 But no, no, we have to talk about that jerk Al Cap.

00:17:56.600 This is the Al Cap is an asshole portion of our interview.

00:17:59.980 Oh, God bless him. May he rest in peace.

00:18:07.920 Yeah, he was the one that, you know, okay, so we'll go on.

00:18:11.620 So now we get to the time where I'm supposed to meet Al Cap.

00:18:15.620 And I had a script. And I was reading of this script.

00:18:19.620 And I, you know, and I thought I read it at home.

00:18:21.800 And I thought, okay, this is cool. It's real. It's a script.

00:18:25.580 You know, nothing's fake about it.

00:18:27.320 So I go to Park Avenue on the time I was supposed to meet with him.

00:18:31.720 And they, and the door opens, Eric, the butler, oh, Miss Hahn, you know, we're waiting for you.

00:18:38.300 I went, oh, that's great. Oh, and I was like on Fifth Avenue.

00:18:41.980 And I mean, I, it's like, what the hell happening to me?

00:18:45.280 I mean, next thing I know, I'm like in this like rich guy's apartment and he's famous and his name's Al Cap.

00:18:52.120 And I know him and I did this show. I mean, it was the whole thing.

00:18:54.540 And so he said, so I sit down and he said, Mr. Cap isn't here right now, but he'll be back in a moment.

00:19:01.220 He said, but I'm bringing this tea. And he walks in with the tea set.

00:19:04.880 When I tell you it was pure silver and it was so heavy that it was kind of like weird when he said to me, you need to pour his tea.

00:19:14.500 He likes all his women to pour his tea. And now I'm practicing and I picked up the tea pot and I'm looking at the tea and I'm like trying to pour it.

00:19:28.560 And it was so heavy. I was sitting too deep in a sofa. It was too, the fulcrum point was not acceptable.

00:19:34.720 And so anyway, and he walks with his, you know, I, I didn't know he had a wooden leg, but he did.

00:19:43.560 Yeah.

00:19:44.240 Such a detail.

00:19:46.400 Don't try.

00:19:47.840 Yeah.

00:19:48.140 He picks, well, he walked like he had a wooden leg.

00:19:51.180 And, and then he said to me, oh, and he had to like slip lascivious, like grin, kind of is really ugly.

00:19:59.320 And he said, I'll be back in a minute. I'm just going to slip into something.

00:20:02.620 And he came back in a robe.

00:20:05.280 So now I am like freaking out because, you know, I, I'm recognizing something's going wrong.

00:20:11.620 So I'm there. I was 19 years old and he comes in and he talks to me.

00:20:16.380 And I said, oh, we sat down and we talked. Now I'm thinking to myself, I better let him know I'm a good girl.

00:20:22.460 I better let him know whatever he's thinking is not, it's not going to happen.

00:20:26.680 So I told him that I, my mom and my dad, and the fact that, you know, I, they wanted me to marry a Jewish dentist.

00:20:34.240 And I wanted him to know that I was religious.

00:20:37.700 I wanted to know that I had, you know, scruples and I had, you know, the whole thing.

00:20:43.520 I just wanted him to know I was a good girl.

00:20:47.120 And so now he said, well, let's do the reading.

00:20:49.100 So I started to do the reading with him and I was stood up and I'm doing the reading off of the script.

00:20:55.400 And he says to me, now you don't have to speak so loud.

00:20:58.360 This isn't theater. This is now going to be, you know, it's film.

00:21:03.840 So you need to just speak regularly.

00:21:05.540 And I went, oh, what a good note.

00:21:07.720 So now I got, you know, into the idea that it wasn't staged because that's really all I'd done.

00:21:13.000 And, and then he said, now walk away over there in the room.

00:21:19.980 And now when you walk toward me, I want you to just kind of look at me like on the camera and, and, you know, just kind of look stupid.

00:21:29.420 Look, look, look like an imbecile or, you know, like that, you know, that look, you know.

00:21:34.540 And I thought, okay, so, you know, I did my dance walk and I walked there and I remember I tried to look stupid and I was looking at him and all this stuff.

00:21:44.360 And then he said, well, now this is good.

00:21:47.480 He said, you know, he said, you know what?

00:21:49.380 He said, I'm going to get you with David Merrick's coaches.

00:21:52.220 He's one of the greatest, David Merrick's one of the great people, you know, in Broadway back then.

00:21:57.180 And I went, oh, really?

00:21:58.760 Yeah.

00:21:59.460 Yeah.

00:22:00.020 He said, I'm going to have him work with you.

00:22:01.520 You, you, you've got something.

00:22:02.800 He said, by the way, could you got to walk over there and lift up?

00:22:05.700 Cause your legs, you could be Daisy May.

00:22:08.600 Your legs are good.

00:22:10.020 Can I see your legs?

00:22:11.720 And so I had this, I remember exactly what I was wearing.

00:22:15.140 It was a pink knit dress.

00:22:16.640 It wasn't totally mini at that point, but I picked it up over my knees and I showed him partial and then he went higher.

00:22:25.380 And I think I lifted up for just another like inch.

00:22:29.400 And he said, no, no, higher.

00:22:31.340 And I went, oh, and I put them down.

00:22:34.400 I put my, my skirt down.

00:22:35.740 And he said to me, now, come on over here and give me a kiss.

00:22:42.980 And I was, I was shocked, but I, but I expected something like that.

00:22:50.380 And so I sat, I went over to the couch because I wanted him.

00:22:54.000 I wanted him to know that I wasn't going to run out of the room.

00:22:57.320 I was going to stay calm and, and whatever.

00:22:59.960 And he pulled over his, you know, it was like his night, whatever that.

00:23:05.740 You know, that robe was, and his, he was his whole apparatus.

00:23:10.460 If you know what I'm talking about, his whole wiener was literally like lying there.

00:23:16.700 Oh, and I looked at it.

00:23:18.660 I looked at it and I said, oh, oh, Mr. Cap, I'll never get a job like this.

00:23:25.860 He said, well, I've had them all.

00:23:30.120 And nothing will become of you.

00:23:32.840 And I said, that's okay.

00:23:34.980 I said, I'm a dancer anyway, but I'll never get a job like this.

00:23:40.200 He said, well, you know, you just, just go back and marry a Jewish dentist.

00:23:45.660 Oh, wow.

00:23:46.440 And I said, oh, I might.

00:23:50.200 So I walked out and then I realized that I couldn't take the L because I didn't have the time and I wasn't near it.

00:23:56.660 And I had to get to my, to the World's Fair.

00:24:00.100 So the World's Fair was going on.

00:24:02.280 I said, Mr. Cap, I'm so sorry.

00:24:04.640 It's late.

00:24:05.200 I can't get the L.

00:24:06.480 And I, I just don't have any money to get a taxi.

00:24:09.160 And he threw $20 at me.

00:24:12.660 So I got in the taxi and I go to, to the Texas pavilion, which is where I was dancing.

00:24:18.280 And I was so upset.

00:24:20.100 And I had been seeing this guy that was under the bar.

00:24:23.700 He was a bartender.

00:24:24.800 And we were dancing above the bar as Ken, Ken girls did.

00:24:29.300 And we danced and I was so sad.

00:24:32.180 I felt so bad.

00:24:34.900 And that night I did the show.

00:24:37.640 It was three shows and it was a heavy duty, can, can, and also go, go and all this stuff.

00:24:44.860 And he said, come on, I'll take you out for a drink.

00:24:47.420 And I'm like, okay.

00:24:49.760 So I go out, get in his car and we go into the bar at the Ondine, which is just under the 59th street bridge.

00:24:59.780 And I had a scotch.

00:25:02.880 And then I had another scotch rocks.

00:25:05.620 And his friend was there that we met.

00:25:09.300 And then that was over.

00:25:11.000 So I'd had two cocktails.

00:25:12.120 And he backed up, got the car, we're on First Avenue, and he starts accelerating.

00:25:20.120 And I'm in the middle and there's no seats, there's no seatbelts.

00:25:26.300 And I thought, do you have to go so fast, you know, in between stoplights?

00:25:29.660 And he said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's okay.

00:25:32.920 Meanwhile, everybody in the car had had a cocktail or two.

00:25:37.540 I don't, I wouldn't say we were drunk and whatever, but definitely, you know, under some level of influence.

00:25:43.580 And then he went down West Side Highway.

00:25:47.420 And we were on West Side Highway going much too fast.

00:25:50.800 And it was quite different then.

00:25:52.280 It had potholes and it had windy roads and it was a single road.

00:25:56.940 And it was really not a great road to speed on.

00:25:59.760 And I looked over my right shoulder, sitting in the middle of an Oldsmobile with, you know, no bucket seats, right?

00:26:06.180 And I looked over to this cab and this taxi cab.

00:26:11.780 Either he ran, he fell asleep or he just ran us off the road.

00:26:16.120 But we went into a light pole at about 45 miles an hour.

00:26:21.340 My goodness.

00:26:22.540 And I went underneath the dashboard to hide from the crash.

00:26:29.760 And I woke up, but I really was not in my body.

00:26:36.840 And I looked down and it was paramedics that were pulling me out from underneath the dashboard and asking, is she alive?

00:26:49.000 And they were touching my heart and ripping my clothes so they could get to me.

00:26:54.620 But I saw all of it.

00:26:56.800 And then I woke up in the hospital.

00:26:59.760 And that's when I was there.

00:27:03.420 And they basically did an x-ray on my head.

00:27:07.220 I had a concussion.

00:27:08.440 And I had one little nick on my leg.

00:27:13.560 And I now, two guys, and one of them, the boyfriend that I'd had, walked into my room.

00:27:19.920 And he had a broken nose and a few little scratches.

00:27:25.500 They sent me home, which I don't remember.

00:27:29.420 I lived alone in a roach-infested one-room place in 70th and between Broadway and Amsterdam.

00:27:37.500 And I didn't have my mom.

00:27:40.560 I didn't have anybody.

00:27:41.700 And I got a phone call.

00:27:45.080 And he said, you fucked things up, didn't you?

00:27:47.160 You really fucked me up.

00:27:48.860 I told you to be nice to him.

00:27:50.440 I told you to be nice to him.

00:27:52.560 And I said, Peter, please go back to Tuesday well and leave me alone.

00:27:56.220 And I went into the bathroom.

00:27:58.800 I threw up again.

00:27:59.580 I came back.

00:28:00.140 And I realized I needed my mother.

00:28:03.320 But for some, how, I don't know, I remembered this guy's number.

00:28:09.800 And I called him up.

00:28:11.080 And I said, I'm alone in New York.

00:28:13.180 I know, you know, you're not happy with me.

00:28:16.880 But I was in a very bad automobile accident last night.

00:28:20.900 He hung up.

00:28:22.340 He ran to my apartment.

00:28:24.040 He lived near me.

00:28:25.540 He came to me with roses that he got.

00:28:29.080 And he was crying.

00:28:30.000 And he said, I'm so sorry.

00:28:32.600 You're such a nice girl.

00:28:33.900 And I'm just a pimp for Alcat.

00:28:37.200 That's all I am.

00:28:38.200 Oh, my goodness.

00:28:39.640 I'm really sorry.

00:28:40.980 And he got the ambulance.

00:28:42.400 He took me back to the hospital.

00:28:43.960 He made sure I had everything I needed, a tetanus shot, whatever they didn't give me.

00:28:50.220 And, you know, he took care of me.

00:28:53.840 And that was very, very interesting.

00:28:58.080 Mike, it was like so many things about human nature in that story.

00:29:01.680 By the way, that will officially conclude our Alcat is an asshole chapter.

00:29:06.760 But so many things in there, right?

00:29:10.260 Like the young trusting ingenue given opportunity or the shot at it.

00:29:15.480 You know, the old grizzly wooden legged, I'll make you a star guy who tries to take advantage

00:29:21.240 of her.

00:29:21.660 I mean, that scene that you describe is straight out of the movie bombshell, though.

00:29:25.280 I know it.

00:29:26.020 I mean, I heard it from you long before that.

00:29:27.720 I realized that's not where it came from.

00:29:30.420 They must have stolen it from you.

00:29:31.860 It's almost identical.

00:29:33.720 And and learning bit by bit that she's there for very different reasons than she thinks

00:29:39.080 she's there.

00:29:39.500 Right.

00:29:40.060 And then the decision has to be made.

00:29:42.820 Do I do this?

00:29:43.580 I'm a nobody.

00:29:44.300 Nobody knows who I am.

00:29:45.400 I have no career.

00:29:46.280 Everybody knows this guy.

00:29:47.280 He can open up doors for me.

00:29:48.480 What do I do?

00:29:49.380 And it's that moment.

00:29:50.560 It's in those those flashes of moments where you morality is, you know, questioned.

00:29:58.640 Your strength is questioned.

00:30:00.380 It's a before and after a moment.

00:30:02.080 And some women submit, even though they don't want to.

00:30:05.080 It doesn't make them immoral, but they they live to regret it.

00:30:07.660 They beat themselves up.

00:30:08.560 It's just it can be so hard in the fact that you walked and you stood up for your beliefs

00:30:13.620 and almost nobody knows who Al Cap is and everyone knows who Goldie Hawn is, is the best end to

00:30:21.200 that story.

00:30:21.800 All right.

00:30:22.000 Hold on.

00:30:22.540 Stand by much, much more with the one and only Goldie Hawn after this.

00:30:26.860 Back with us today, actress, producer, mother and mental health advocate Goldie Hawn also

00:30:39.560 happens to be an Academy Award winner.

00:30:42.240 I love the story, by the way, of that.

00:30:44.080 You won an Academy Award for Best Supporting Actress like 1970.

00:30:48.020 Right.

00:30:48.180 It was early in your career and you you weren't there.

00:30:50.500 You didn't show.

00:30:51.920 I know.

00:30:52.740 Why not?

00:30:54.080 I made a movie with Peter Sellers and that's what I was doing.

00:30:58.060 And so it's my second movie.

00:30:59.900 And I was in London.

00:31:01.260 And in those days, you know, they didn't let you go.

00:31:03.820 I mean, it was like, I forgot it was on.

00:31:06.500 I forgot it was on.

00:31:07.660 I literally forgot the Academy Awards were on television.

00:31:10.800 OK.

00:31:11.040 Oh, my God.

00:31:11.480 So I went to bed and I woke up by a phone call.

00:31:15.460 It's like you, you, you got it.

00:31:17.920 And I said, you got what?

00:31:19.220 And they said, you got the Academy Award.

00:31:22.980 Now, oh, my God.

00:31:24.900 I didn't even know it was on television last night.

00:31:27.540 I mean, that was my first thing.

00:31:30.940 That is amazing.

00:31:32.400 It was 1970, right?

00:31:35.700 1970 Cactus Flower, right?

00:31:37.820 That's the one.

00:31:39.220 Walter Matthau, Ingrid Bergman.

00:31:41.460 And you.

00:31:42.020 That's amazing.

00:31:42.920 You know, I was thinking about it this week because, you know, they canceled the Golden Globes

00:31:46.400 and they did it.

00:31:46.960 They basically live tweeted the Golden Globes this year.

00:31:49.660 It's kind of imploded for a whole bunch of reasons.

00:31:51.900 But what the but the New York Times podcast, The Daily, did an in-depth report on the implosion

00:31:57.200 of the Golden Globes.

00:31:58.120 And one of the things the entertainment reporter was saying is that apparently it's an open

00:32:03.680 secret these days that you basically buy your Golden Globe.

00:32:07.620 Unlike the Academy Award.

00:32:09.380 It's like the producers of these films are like, sure, would be nice if I guess it was

00:32:12.740 back in the 80s, too, because they were talking about how Pia Zadora won for some film.

00:32:16.840 Everybody was like, Pia Zadora.

00:32:18.560 I don't know.

00:32:20.980 Yeah, I know.

00:32:21.700 I remember that.

00:32:22.640 Exactly.

00:32:23.280 Because she had a lot of help, if you know what I mean.

00:32:25.780 Yeah.

00:32:26.340 With all respect, you know, I don't want to be ill about anyone, really, unless they're

00:32:32.000 horrible like Al Cap.

00:32:33.240 But anyway, yes.

00:32:35.480 So, no, she was definitely, what do you call it, honed and manipulated.

00:32:41.140 I mean, yeah.

00:32:41.680 So, yeah.

00:32:42.540 So, I didn't realize that.

00:32:43.760 I mean, is that an open secret in Hollywood that, like, you kind of buy your Golden Globe,

00:32:47.360 but you earn your Academy Award or no?

00:32:50.700 You know, I can't.

00:32:53.840 The Golden Globes are really an interesting group.

00:32:57.140 OK, they're they're, you know, sort of reporters or people that are liaison with every country.

00:33:03.300 And they're they're quite a quite a group of people.

00:33:07.280 Right.

00:33:07.740 And I as the time went on and I make these movies and you see them every year, you know,

00:33:12.560 you get to know them.

00:33:13.840 Right.

00:33:14.140 You get to know, oh, hi, how are you?

00:33:16.100 And whatever.

00:33:17.040 And it's actually in many ways back in the day, I, you know, I like people.

00:33:22.320 You know, it's like, well, who was that thing that Judy, what said was and was it First Wives Club or?

00:33:30.160 Oh, that was the I like people and people like me.

00:33:33.020 She said, so this is basically.

00:33:38.300 Why I don't look at them such as scants.

00:33:41.620 OK, I have nice relationships with them, meaning that they were always happy.

00:33:47.540 These are the ones who make the decisions.

00:33:48.800 Yeah. And then how they just come to their decisions oftentimes because they just like somebody so much or because, you know,

00:33:58.480 but paid off and in such a way, you know, I that I don't know.

00:34:04.140 I mean, I've got to be honest with you.

00:34:05.420 I don't know what you pay them money to do this or people take money to.

00:34:09.780 I know they're bribed.

00:34:10.780 I mean, I I I I hear that.

00:34:13.760 But, you know, a lot of talk is talk.

00:34:16.220 I don't put a lot into it.

00:34:18.800 But now the Golden Globes are, you know, they're not are they going to come back?

00:34:23.360 I don't even know.

00:34:24.400 I mean, it's unclear.

00:34:25.620 It's like they they had basically a lot of problems, one of which was they didn't have enough minority players and then they got minority players and they didn't have enough minority players.

00:34:35.480 And then, you know, they're sort of trying to fix their diversity, equity and inclusion problem.

00:34:39.860 And until they do, NBC is not going to put them on the I don't know.

00:34:42.240 I don't follow it that closely.

00:34:43.220 I just didn't.

00:34:44.780 Yeah, that's equity and inclusion.

00:34:47.420 That was you've never needed.

00:34:48.640 You've never needed the Golden Globe to get movie roles.

00:34:52.080 It's like you can I guess you can get ahead in your career by saying, look, I won this Oscar.

00:34:56.460 I won this Oscar.

00:34:57.340 Or you can just be amazing film after film and you keep getting hired.

00:35:00.460 That's how you've done it.

00:35:01.380 Yeah, I had a weird career.

00:35:03.540 I mean, it really was.

00:35:04.600 I didn't make a lot of movies and I made movies that really were I produced.

00:35:11.000 Now, you know, I just made a decision to produce movies.

00:35:13.960 I thought, you know, I'm not going to wait around for the phone to ring.

00:35:18.460 I'm an odd character.

00:35:20.160 I'm not like everybody else.

00:35:21.440 I knew that her comedy or my comedy or whatever was very, you know, my own.

00:35:28.240 And also people don't think you can transcend an image.

00:35:32.200 In other words, I had a very strong image, still do.

00:35:36.340 And and that image was was part of the movie.

00:35:39.540 But a lot of directors like to get an actor who didn't have so much baggage, you know, who didn't, you know, everybody knew them a certain way, a big personality or whatever.

00:35:49.460 In spite of that, I did really well.

00:35:51.400 But I had my own production company.

00:35:54.380 So, you know, you talk about what leads you, what guides you, what drives you.

00:35:59.840 What drove me was very practical.

00:36:02.120 And I thought, let me just make my own movies.

00:36:04.780 It's make deals at Warner Brothers and, you know, and Universal and all the places that I was and make a deal, make movies.

00:36:12.520 Right.

00:36:12.940 So I made movies that even were not with me.

00:36:15.520 They weren't.

00:36:16.120 They were for Julie Roberts and Steve Martin and different movies.

00:36:20.060 Right.

00:36:20.820 But I got to do movies that matter to me, meaning am I going to do a movie about a girl in the army?

00:36:28.040 Am I going to make a movie about a woman who is a football coach?

00:36:32.240 Am I going to make a movie about protocols?

00:36:35.040 Someone who basically blows up Washington and the lies and comes up and speaks in front of the Senate.

00:36:40.460 I like to make movies that actually mattered.

00:36:44.220 And for me, that was the most exciting part of being in the movie industry.

00:36:51.420 And so, you know, by the way, those are all three great movies.

00:36:54.860 Protocol was hilarious.

00:36:57.020 Wildcats loved it.

00:36:58.720 Of course, that's you and the football team.

00:37:00.480 And Private Benjamin was like, my mother fell in love with you before I fell in love with you.

00:37:05.920 She used to run around the house quoting you in Private Benjamin.

00:37:08.420 I want to go out to lunch.

00:37:10.240 I want to.

00:37:10.780 And for those of you who don't know Private Benjamin and want to want to be reintroduced to it or be introduced the first time, here's a little clip.

00:37:18.780 This is Soundbite Six.

00:37:22.820 I hate to interrupt you, but could I speak here for a sec?

00:37:26.480 Oh, my Lord, Sergeant, would you look at this?

00:37:30.480 I've seen it, ma'am.

00:37:33.160 What's your name, Princess?

00:37:35.460 Judy.

00:37:36.420 Judy.

00:37:37.440 Judy Benjamin.

00:37:38.900 Judy Benjamin.

00:37:40.400 I think they sent me to the wrong place.

00:37:47.160 Uh-huh.

00:37:48.600 See, I did join the army, but I joined a different army.

00:37:52.960 I joined the one with the condos and the private rooms.

00:37:59.180 What?

00:38:00.480 No, really, my recruiter, Jim Ballard, told me that.

00:38:04.540 I don't care.

00:38:04.820 I don't care what your lousy recruiter told you, Benjamin.

00:38:08.040 Now, I'm telling you, there is no other army.

00:38:10.800 Wait a minute.

00:38:12.180 I don't want to have to go to your boss or anything, okay?

00:38:14.860 It's amazing.

00:38:18.640 You know, you can't do it without great writing.

00:38:21.320 You just can't do it.

00:38:22.480 I mean, the writers are everything.

00:38:24.380 And, you know, they give you basically the words, you know, and you can interpret them how you want, but they're damn funny.

00:38:32.400 And, you know, that's what they did.

00:38:35.020 Nancy Myers and Chuck Shire and Harvey Miller.

00:38:37.660 They were amazing.

00:38:40.200 So, yeah.

00:38:40.760 But that was the one that, like, that you produced that.

00:38:43.640 Your name was the only name above the title.

00:38:46.320 No man's name.

00:38:47.780 You know, you proved a woman can carry a film because that film was hugely successful.

00:38:50.720 And it was yours on a number of levels.

00:38:53.660 Let me pay one more bill.

00:38:54.840 Sorry.

00:38:55.220 It's annoying, but that's how we stay on the air.

00:38:57.340 And then we'll come back and we'll pick it up with maybe some of the fallout from Private Benjamin.

00:39:01.320 I didn't realize that it was a double-edged sword until I studied up for today.

00:39:05.140 Stand by for more of With Goldie Hawn.

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00:39:36.120 I'm going to pick it up with Private Benjamin, Goley, because that was a huge success for you.

00:39:40.480 You were the producer.

00:39:41.280 You were the star.

00:39:42.180 Everybody loved it.

00:39:43.280 But I know you've said it turned out to be a double-edged sword, your success on that movie.

00:39:48.880 How so?

00:39:50.640 Because I produced it, but I also worked with the writers and so forth.

00:39:56.340 So the only reason I produced it was because I said, why do we need another producer?

00:40:01.080 I mean, we don't need one.

00:40:02.400 I've been producing before at Universal.

00:40:05.300 And you get your producer that works on the show, and you're working with your thing.

00:40:09.680 And it's just fine.

00:40:10.500 And, you know, why pay someone else, basically, a big producer, to take over?

00:40:15.000 Because, you know, this was a financial, practical decision.

00:40:19.080 In the meantime, big hit, cover of whatever, everything's saying.

00:40:23.520 And then next thing I know, it was such a hit, I guess, that I had, you know, directors really didn't want to work with me because they felt that I would only do my own things and that I took over.

00:40:38.660 And that I was, it was sort of, it had to be my way.

00:40:42.240 There was some fear around a woman being successful and being a bitch.

00:40:47.120 And I wasn't at all, not even close.

00:40:50.940 I mean, there were many of us that made that movie great, not just me.

00:40:55.280 And I'm just looking at, you know, at that time, you know, there was a serious glass ceiling.

00:41:02.640 And when I broke a record or whatever you call it, I mean, I don't know, I made a movie that was successful.

00:41:09.300 And I happened to be a person in it that, you know, made it more successful, like she was funny and whatever.

00:41:16.360 But the point is, is that I remember even one of my dear friends who I was, who was a dancer, a friend of my mom's, Herb Ross.

00:41:25.000 He heard that I, you know, took over and I wanted to do everything my own way.

00:41:29.420 Thinking, oh my God, who made that up?

00:41:32.960 I mean, you know, trying to save a movie.

00:41:35.580 Yeah, Private Benjamin had like, you know, three laughs in it on the first edit.

00:41:39.780 I mean, it was, we had issues, but we have the most amazing writers.

00:41:43.280 And they sat down and they did 135, I think, notes, editing notes.

00:41:48.080 And they were followed because we were producing.

00:41:51.040 And they changed the whole movie around to make it as funny as it was written.

00:41:55.560 So I think there's a whole viewpoint of women at that point in power.

00:42:01.300 And it was, you know, extremely male dominated, extremely.

00:42:06.160 It's so crazy that somebody like you, who is obviously warm, friendly, kind, that no one would ever look at you and suspect, bitch.

00:42:13.780 You know, that if they can do that to you, they could do it to anybody.

00:42:17.800 Yeah, it wasn't about me, really.

00:42:20.480 It was about the, you know, the culture.

00:42:22.520 And, you know, I was part of that culture.

00:42:26.400 And slowly it changed, which it has to a point.

00:42:29.520 But I remember with my daughter, we went, Katie and I, she was just starting.

00:42:34.540 And the two of us were at Women's Lunch.

00:42:36.840 What was it?

00:42:37.180 Women's Film, Women for Film or something.

00:42:40.960 And it was a thing that they created, you know, and like the powerful women.

00:42:45.440 And now we had certain women in positions of power.

00:42:48.300 And, you know, it was great.

00:42:49.560 And it was like the women in film, women in film.

00:42:52.140 And I got the giggles.

00:42:54.660 It was just so crazy.

00:42:56.920 Katie and I are, you know, in the podium and we're looking around.

00:43:00.500 And I'm looking around at all these women.

00:43:02.760 And I got the giggles because it didn't matter.

00:43:08.720 These women were working for men.

00:43:11.000 And there were still no women's movies being made.

00:43:14.740 Including First Wives Club.

00:43:16.420 We all took less money.

00:43:18.500 Certain amount of money because they were scared that women of a certain age, and we weren't even that old then, but a woman of a certain age couldn't bring in, you know, box office dollars.

00:43:30.920 And we went out and made this movie and it was a huge hit.

00:43:34.740 Cover of Time Magazine.

00:43:36.520 Oh, wow.

00:43:38.080 Then you go to make it another one, a sequel, and they don't want to pay you any more money.

00:43:42.240 Oh, wow.

00:43:42.920 Shocking.

00:43:44.940 And that was First Wives Club.

00:43:46.240 Now it was 25-whatever years ago, 30.

00:43:49.360 But, I mean, the reality is that the fighting of this, you know, idea that a woman cannot really carry a movie or that they can't make money, you know, in the industry.

00:44:02.600 It's sort of true because the money that they make are all these other big tentpole movies, which aren't really about a star.

00:44:11.960 You know, they're about special effects.

00:44:13.520 They're about, you know, all these big movies.

00:44:15.080 And most of them, at least back in then, were very male-oriented.

00:44:19.480 So young boys would go to the theater.

00:44:21.460 They would go to see them.

00:44:23.600 So, you know, but my point is, as we're getting to, is that women have had an interesting hill to climb.

00:44:32.040 Well, I mean, and in a lot of industries, but especially Hollywood, which is one of the crazy pieces of, I think it's why it drives people crazy when Hollywood tries to act holier than thou and start lecturing middle America about morality and so on.

00:44:48.980 And, you know, there's people sitting in Iowa who have never done any, they've never tried to put something on a casting couch or do what, you know, Al did or any of this.

00:44:57.100 They're like, you could save your lectures for somebody else.

00:45:00.120 That's right.

00:45:00.980 Exactly.

00:45:02.080 And the idea that, you know, well, I do have a feeling about keep your, keep, I've never known, okay, how do I say this?

00:45:12.800 Hollywood and a lot of Hollywood has a lot of mission, right?

00:45:16.600 And, you know, you want to put your name onto something that you believe in, but it doesn't make a difference.

00:45:22.540 And that's what the reality is that if you are someone in the industry and you want to go into politics or you want to talk about these things, you know, I stay in my lane.

00:45:35.120 And, and I think that the idea if, if, if, you know, maybe segueing into what I'm doing now, but the reality is, is that if we'd want to do anything, we want to do it for all people, not just for a group or whatever.

00:45:49.440 What makes polarity even more is creating teams on either side of the, of the aisle.

00:45:55.760 And I don't think that's what we do.

00:45:58.180 I think we entertain.

00:46:00.060 I think we bring awareness to people just of their ability to laugh, to have joy, to experience it, to cry.

00:46:08.220 We, we are emotional beings and create emotion and, and in others.

00:46:14.440 And, and it's an escape.

00:46:16.340 I think we're in service.

00:46:17.920 I really do.

00:46:18.740 I think people get paid really well to be in service, but I don't think that we should forget that our first job is to help people laugh, feel something, escape a little bit from their day.

00:46:32.800 All right.

00:46:33.040 Now that's a great note on which to leave it.

00:46:34.660 And when we come back, Goldie's latest effort to bring that kind of messaging to your kids, my kids, and the world in a really creative way.

00:46:42.740 Don't go away.

00:46:48.740 Academy Award winning actress and mental health advocate Goldie Hawn is my guest today.

00:46:53.760 She just launched the digital platform of her nonprofit MindUp to help children and really everyone find the tools to deal with anxiety, stress, and depression.

00:47:04.660 So, Goldie, we talked a couple of years ago about your program.

00:47:07.960 The MindUp didn't just launch, but you've just gotten this great big online platform that helps people navigate their way through it.

00:47:15.160 And can I just set this up with some stats?

00:47:17.380 We talked about one of these earlier this week, but the CDC says suicide attempts during the pandemic have jumped 51% for girls.

00:47:26.060 It's 51%.

00:47:28.160 It's about just under 4% for boys, so less for boys, but still up.

00:47:34.980 Israel just did a big study of 200,000 boys and girls between the ages of 12 and 17.

00:47:40.740 This is, again, taking a look at during the pandemic.

00:47:42.480 And they report that there's been a 55% rise in eating disorders, a 38% rise in diagnosis of depression, 33% rise in anxiety disorders, ER visits for mental health issues for teens are going through the roof around the world, especially in the United States.

00:48:01.200 And you actually have a program that can help parents do something about it.

00:48:07.540 They can do it from their living room.

00:48:09.280 They can do it in the classroom.

00:48:11.540 But it provides real tools for schools and families in dealing with some of these issues.

00:48:17.900 How so?

00:48:18.660 Well, you know, this was something I started like 20 years ago, and I did it because of 9-11 and my issues around the fear that I had of the atom bomb.

00:48:27.420 I thought I was going to die before I ever got to kiss a boy.

00:48:30.580 I mean, I was really scared.

00:48:32.460 I was, I really remember, I really thought at that point about my mortality.

00:48:37.740 And it created a lot of anxiety for me.

00:48:40.300 During 9-11, I realized that children all over were going to be, in America in particular, were going to be showing symptoms because fear is a dangerous thing.

00:48:49.360 It's quite poisonous.

00:48:50.600 And it turns into anger and all kinds of like side effects.

00:48:53.740 So I started looking then into the problems of suicide and anxiety and all kinds of different, you know, issues around children's mental stability.

00:49:03.960 And I was shocked.

00:49:06.040 And that was in, you know, 2003.

00:49:09.320 It was an uptick in suicide for children, young children, 10 years to 15 years.

00:49:17.280 And then older kids was a second leading cause of death.

00:49:21.440 I really, it was shocked.

00:49:23.020 It knocked me out.

00:49:23.980 It gobsmacked me.

00:49:25.260 I thought, oh, my God, something has to happen.

00:49:28.020 So after all the world that I have done over the years, which is psychology, which is meditation, which are ways and means to create a sense of happiness or more well-being, I learned sort of what the causes of happiness were.

00:49:41.220 And I started applying them in a TV show.

00:49:43.980 I wanted to do a documentary on joy.

00:49:47.080 That's when 9-11 happened.

00:49:48.640 So my background really went, how am I going to use what I know?

00:49:52.260 So I brought in neuroscientists.

00:49:54.860 I brought in psychologists, positive psychologists, teachers and practitioners, right, who were in meditation and also research scientists in order to put these things together to create a holistic approach to a classroom program.

00:50:12.100 And I felt that putting it in the classroom then would begin to mitigate some of the issues around their fear, around anxiety by knowing their brain.

00:50:21.280 So it's based in neuroscience.

00:50:24.180 You know, it was never based as a basically a program about mindfulness or meditation.

00:50:30.300 I mean, what, yes, we do three times a day, we do a brain break, but a brain break is to give a brain a break.

00:50:36.160 These children know that they get anxious, they get scared, they get angry, there's aggression.

00:50:41.140 They know that maybe they need to take a brain break.

00:50:44.080 That's a three-minute moment of listening to a sound and then breath and using your breath and learning to breathe properly.

00:50:50.340 And it's been incredibly helpful.

00:50:53.200 So teaching the brain is not just to know about the biology of your brain, it's to know how to use your brain.

00:51:00.200 How do I change the way I'm thinking?

00:51:02.700 How do I change my environment?

00:51:04.620 When they realize that their brain that they have there is not like anybody else's, it's their brain and they own it.

00:51:11.560 Then they get to know that they can actually not just shake hands with it as a friend, but they can actually change the way things are happening.

00:51:19.780 So that's why they learn to breathe and they learn to focus.

00:51:22.560 That's how they learn when we have the happiness of giving of kindness, you know, and also gratitude journaling.

00:51:30.080 Things where it happens in the classroom sounds like a lightweight thing.

00:51:34.240 It's not.

00:51:35.020 It changes the neurons and how they fire.

00:51:38.320 And when you start building small children whose brains are actually developing, you're helping them develop brain fitness.

00:51:46.740 And that's what we want.

00:51:48.220 We want resilience.

00:51:49.600 We want children to be caring of each other, aware.

00:51:52.720 They want kids to be self-aware so they know that if they do something this way, it might have a repercussion another way.

00:51:58.680 Create critical thinking where they're thinking critically about whether to do something or not or how to solve a problem.

00:52:06.760 I mean, it's an amazing, simple way of learning how to manage your own brain and your own outcome, therefore your own reality.

00:52:18.620 So this happened how many years ago, right?

00:52:20.900 And I've been putting teachers in classrooms and I'm putting the program, whatever, and it's been great.

00:52:24.640 But the scaling of it is hard because you can't fly people here and do this there or create trainers here because you can't really manage the trainers in the same way you need to.

00:52:35.680 It's important on how it's delivered, right?

00:52:38.060 So what we did was when COVID happened, part of what happened to me that we talked about earlier of basically sitting down is that I had the dream and I was able to dream in quiet.

00:52:53.020 I was able to quiet my mind, my stress level, my body, my movement places, take my, distracting my brain.

00:53:00.700 And I figured out how to redo and reimagine what MindUp is.

00:53:07.440 And so that's what COVID helped me do.

00:53:12.060 So now we have created for various amazing people online accessibility on our learning platform.

00:53:20.640 So any teacher of any school can go ahead and get that program just as it's taught.

00:53:27.320 And it's beautiful to look at.

00:53:29.500 I didn't want the program to look at like pedagogy or anything a teacher would have to do again.

00:53:35.960 It's all written.

00:53:37.320 It's there, but it's beautiful.

00:53:38.740 It has sound.

00:53:39.580 It's pretty to look at.

00:53:41.000 It feels good to be in that space is what I wanted it to look like.

00:53:45.040 In the meantime, you can take that program, become an accredited trainer and go in there and teach your children.

00:53:53.540 Schools have already bought the program along with other teachers similarly.

00:53:59.300 But then I decided we've got to put a parent program in here.

00:54:03.020 This isn't just rituals.

00:54:04.120 So now we're building, we've built part of it, of a really in-depth parent program of learning how their brains work and knowing that until they are a little more mindful themselves, that they will be able to be a better parent.

00:54:19.540 You know, we're hijacked by our anger and our fear and lack of knowledge of what's happening in the future.

00:54:25.760 Our money, look, we're in a, you know, in basically a recession, right?

00:54:29.200 Or in, no, not recession, in a, um, help me out.

00:54:32.900 Well, we're in a massive inflationary period and while we've filled a lot of jobs, a lot of people have left the workforce altogether.

00:54:40.080 Exactly.

00:54:40.580 So we, we, the inflation.

00:54:42.260 So that was the, so the reality is, is that we've got a lot to worry about, right?

00:54:47.560 But in what we teach and what we're helping them with is to actually stay right here, right now, and understand that this moment right now is the most important moment.

00:54:57.520 And they understand now about their children, their children's brains, their brains, they have discussions around it.

00:55:03.400 They're able to work with families.

00:55:05.200 We have mind-up family.

00:55:06.620 So what happened is, is Megan, is that I have taken this and now it's grown into a library of, of people talking about these various things.

00:55:16.780 Um, we've got, you know, happiness experts, we've got researchers, we've got neuroscientists talking about what is mindfulness, what happens to the brain, what's going on when you quiet your mind.

00:55:28.060 It's powerful.

00:55:29.780 We're going to have doctors who, food, food, the best food for your mind, the best food for your children.

00:55:36.020 And we're, we have a cardiologist now speaking about the brain and breath and the heart and that connection and how it heals your heart physically.

00:55:45.660 So we, we, I've just opened up a world that literally, I believe that we need to all understand about the potential of who we are and how we can change our mindset, how we can be a better partner, how we can literally have more tolerance and more love and more listening capability.

00:56:04.460 Can I tell you that, um, well, just to pick up on what you're saying that I, there's a line of sweatshirts and t-shirts and so on, and it reads, um, choose happiness.

00:56:13.980 And to me, that's never spoken to me because if, if, if it were that easy, everyone would do it.

00:56:19.900 It's, it's not that easy.

00:56:21.360 So I like what you said about brain fitness.

00:56:24.900 If, if you have somebody who's trained their brain to, to be negative, to see the darkness, to stay mired in anxiety and worries about the future and depression,

00:56:33.840 and they don't know how to sort of reset that they can't choose anything other.

00:56:38.380 You're talking about training the brain the same way you train a muscle to, to do something different.

00:56:43.240 That would be better for it to understand how to process some of those feelings, get a handle on them, maybe table them.

00:56:52.020 Right.

00:56:52.420 So stay in the moment as you're saying, so that happiness is just more frequent in your life.

00:56:57.540 It's not about having to choose it.

00:56:58.840 It's just, you've set your brain up to put yourself there.

00:57:01.400 Perfect, perfectly put because it is, you, do we choose happiness?

00:57:06.780 Of course, everyone wants to be happy.

00:57:08.940 What do you want for your children?

00:57:10.000 I want them mostly to be happy, right?

00:57:12.180 We get it, but, but we have to set our brain up.

00:57:15.320 We have to have foundational material to understand that we can't just be happy because we say we want to be happy.

00:57:22.280 We have to understand how to, we look at the causes of happiness.

00:57:27.060 One of the causes of happiness is a very together, bound together, loving family.

00:57:33.660 That is one of the big causes of happiness.

00:57:37.320 That other thing is a cause of happiness is giving, caring about someone else.

00:57:42.120 The idea of doing something, which is acts of kindness sounds crazy, but that actually makes you feel better.

00:57:49.880 Hang out with happy people.

00:57:52.040 Why?

00:57:52.560 Because there is a thing called emotional contagion and emotional contagion is real.

00:57:58.900 Whether, I mean, we're experiencing it today.

00:58:01.040 You know, people are angry, hang out with them.

00:58:04.100 You're going to be angry.

00:58:05.220 It's what happens.

00:58:06.120 We're just humans.

00:58:07.320 Our brain has this mirror neurons and it starts to process in the brain and we get it.

00:58:12.460 You hang out with happy people, you'll be happier.

00:58:15.060 You hang out with people who aren't watching their weight as well and not taking, sometimes you'll actually put on a few pounds.

00:58:21.000 It's weird, but we actually, if you want to be happy, there are actions to take.

00:58:27.100 There's things to learn about the causes of happiness.

00:58:30.880 One of them is movement, movement, real movement.

00:58:34.440 You know, go out there, be with a friend, hike, take a walk, breath.

00:58:39.600 Breath is another one.

00:58:40.940 So when we learn all these causes to have a more, I would say, a more generous life, a feeling that there's more abundance in your life than deficit.

00:58:52.260 That's the way to do it.

00:58:54.400 We have a brain that we can train, but just by wanting to be something does not mean you're going to get there.

00:59:00.500 You've got to work.

00:59:01.780 And I think that's ultimately what you said, and that's what we train.

00:59:06.020 So in a child's classroom, which we are, we'll be preschool through eighth grade right now.

00:59:10.460 And I'm doing it because that's a developing brain.

00:59:13.320 And they learn.

00:59:15.240 85% of our kids said reportedly they now felt they could make themselves feel happier.

00:59:20.860 Well, you know, I have to tell you, that was huge for me.

00:59:24.280 I just made it really did.

00:59:26.140 It made me emotional because if those kids today could figure out that if you could do this in every grade till you're in eighth grade, you'll ride that bike for the rest of your life.

00:59:38.040 That will never, ever go away.

00:59:40.520 You will always.

00:59:41.320 On the website, you have tips for parents that I was like, this is actually quite clever.

00:59:46.440 It seems simple, but it's quite clever.

00:59:48.000 One of them that stood out to me was every night at the dinner table, ask your child, what was something good that happened today?

00:59:55.160 As opposed to what most of us do, which is just, you know, what happened today?

00:59:59.520 Tell me about your day.

01:00:00.720 Like what was interesting.

01:00:02.060 Usually I've come at it from sort of a neutral standpoint or just an information seeking standpoint.

01:00:07.680 But the point is you're helping them train to go to something positive, something for which they might have gratitude.

01:00:15.800 Right.

01:00:16.020 So it's like it's a practice that you can get your child into night after night.

01:00:21.920 Exactly right.

01:00:22.840 You know, my dad used to call me and he'd say, what good happened today?

01:00:27.120 And daddy, I'd call daddy when I was like dancing in New York or whatever.

01:00:31.000 And he'd say, and then he'd say to me, okay, go.

01:00:33.800 What did you, what, what is the one thing you learned today?

01:00:36.240 Did you just tell me what you learned today?

01:00:37.820 Just one thing.

01:00:39.300 And, you know, it's lived with me.

01:00:40.920 I mean, I'm an older person now, but it still lives with me.

01:00:45.900 I mean, I remember what did I learn new today?

01:00:48.960 And I can, I can remember myself all through the days.

01:00:51.520 I can say, well, I learned something new today.

01:00:53.820 That was great.

01:00:55.500 These are positive experiences.

01:00:57.980 Here's the deal.

01:00:59.100 The brain is negative bias, no matter what.

01:01:02.800 And it's negative bias because it's, it's there.

01:01:05.940 The brain is there.

01:01:06.640 It's very primitive part of our brain, but it's there to look for trouble.

01:01:09.980 You know, that's the amygdala.

01:01:12.040 That's the center brain, right?

01:01:13.580 That's the area where we are, our smell.

01:01:16.060 Oh, I smell gas.

01:01:17.100 Oh, I do this.

01:01:18.040 Oh, you know, one of the little kids was seven years old and her niece, her aunt pulled her

01:01:22.980 away from the curb.

01:01:24.680 And she said, auntie, do you know what saved our lives?

01:01:27.040 And she said, no.

01:01:27.820 And she said, the, the amygdala.

01:01:31.180 So her aunt said, what?

01:01:36.020 She said, no, because that saves, that saves our life because that was an alert.

01:01:41.880 We knew.

01:01:42.700 And I'm thinking, oh my God, this was a seven year old telling, okay, this is me hearing

01:01:47.060 this story from, in Vancouver.

01:01:48.940 So the reality is, is that learning what we naturally go to, which is the negative story.

01:01:57.060 And you find yourself doing that negative story.

01:01:59.940 You wake up in the morning, you're lying in bed.

01:02:02.700 You're thinking about what happened a year ago or 10 years ago or whatever.

01:02:06.720 Why is that happening?

01:02:08.140 That's what the brain's doing.

01:02:09.760 It's shifting.

01:02:10.720 It's bringing stuff up.

01:02:12.560 Don't even think about it.

01:02:14.460 Just get out of bed.

01:02:16.100 Change the subject.

01:02:17.180 You don't have to, you know, sort of go over and over and over this thing that your husband

01:02:22.380 did or your boyfriend or back in the day, or, you know, you're holding grudges.

01:02:26.640 Your brain won't let you forget it.

01:02:28.400 You have to talk to your brain and say, stop it.

01:02:31.700 I'm getting out of bed.

01:02:33.120 I am not thinking about this anymore because it's gone.

01:02:35.840 It's over.

01:02:36.920 Today is today.

01:02:38.780 It's now.

01:02:40.560 And damn it.

01:02:41.440 If we don't live for where we are right now, if this pandemic didn't teach us

01:02:45.760 that we can't depend on a lot of things, including this frigging virus, it's running

01:02:52.700 around here.

01:02:54.280 But we can find the things that we depend upon and we can have a nurtured heart.

01:03:00.080 We can go in and sit quietly and think of the beautiful things that have happened to

01:03:05.000 you and look at your children.

01:03:06.680 So you can't, so you can't, right.

01:03:09.880 So you can't just say, okay, be happy, right?

01:03:11.660 You can't do that, but you can practice mindfulness.

01:03:13.460 You can practice.

01:03:14.340 It's basically cognitive behavioral therapy.

01:03:16.060 You're talking about when you, you got the thing, the bad thought in your head over and

01:03:19.200 over and over and you just choose to just redirect for the moment.

01:03:22.620 I've always said, I used to this moment, I use my, my old puppy's face, little Bosch's

01:03:27.840 face.

01:03:28.200 It was so sweet for me.

01:03:29.440 It's just a good, it's like a rejiggering, you know, like Bosch's face.

01:03:33.100 It'll just stop the thinking of whatever I need to stop.

01:03:36.720 It works.

01:03:37.160 But, but I wanted to ask you, this is a, this is a sensitive subject, so forgive me, but

01:03:42.560 I do, I do think it's helpful.

01:03:45.980 Something bad happened to you when you were a child, um, with respect to an attempted sexual

01:03:52.160 assault.

01:03:53.180 And I, you told me this over dinner one time.

01:03:55.620 It's never left me, but the way your mom handled it with you, I thought was brilliant.

01:04:02.900 And I'm sure some people would find it controversial.

01:04:04.980 I thought it was brilliant because in a way, Goldie, she was training you this, you know,

01:04:10.520 from a very early age.

01:04:12.820 Right.

01:04:13.220 That's exactly right.

01:04:14.460 You're a hundred percent right.

01:04:16.140 Is that I had a, uh, one of my sister's friends and they were like 18 in that age.

01:04:21.040 And I went to, it was Christmas time and we were having a party and he came up stairs

01:04:26.780 and I knew him, you know, I was 11.

01:04:29.640 And the next thing I know, I wake up and he has his hands on my breasts.

01:04:33.820 Um, and then he puts his hand on my vagina area.

01:04:38.520 And, and I said, Ted, what are you doing?

01:04:40.660 What are you doing?

01:04:42.000 What are you doing?

01:04:43.120 I'm trying to push his hands away.

01:04:44.620 And I said, stop it.

01:04:47.120 And then I just stopped.

01:04:48.020 I said, call my mom.

01:04:48.940 I got mommy.

01:04:49.760 And I called her from, I didn't get up cause I was in bed.

01:04:53.340 He was holding me down a little bit.

01:04:56.720 Cause then he left and my mother ran upstairs and they, you know, somebody went to get him.

01:05:03.580 They ran out the door.

01:05:04.480 I said, here's what he did.

01:05:06.020 And he touched me here and he did this.

01:05:07.960 And my mom looked at me and she said, okay, look at me.

01:05:11.400 Are you okay?

01:05:12.160 Are you, are you okay?

01:05:14.960 And I said, I am.

01:05:16.160 She said, well, how, all right.

01:05:16.820 So just so you know, I want you to know something, right?

01:05:20.060 He's very sick.

01:05:22.060 It's a very sick boy.

01:05:23.760 Okay.

01:05:23.940 Honey.

01:05:24.740 So if you're okay and whatever, and you're not hurt and everything's fine, don't, don't

01:05:30.400 worry.

01:05:30.680 I'm right here.

01:05:31.840 But I didn't know.

01:05:33.320 She didn't go.

01:05:33.940 Oh, what happened to my daughter?

01:05:36.300 What, what, you know, how are you?

01:05:39.400 How are you?

01:05:40.180 I mean, no, no, no.

01:05:41.000 She just said, you know, how are you doing?

01:05:44.400 Are you okay?

01:05:45.820 And suddenly again, contagion.

01:05:48.800 Okay.

01:05:49.420 Mom didn't, wasn't upset.

01:05:51.340 I wasn't upset.

01:05:52.860 I learned that he wasn't well.

01:05:54.620 I had Owens, Ralph went and Ralph went and chased him out.

01:05:59.560 He left the house.

01:06:00.640 She said, so he's very sick boy.

01:06:02.800 So, you know, but, so I didn't have this like woman who lost her shit, you know?

01:06:09.100 Yeah.

01:06:09.640 She gave you the file to put this in.

01:06:13.720 Yeah, exactly.

01:06:16.060 You know, and it's very interesting when you talk about the outcaps of the world.

01:06:20.200 And by the way, he wasn't the only one.

01:06:22.840 You really, you know, I danced in Vegas.

01:06:24.940 So, you know, it's a whole other story.

01:06:26.240 But, you know, in a way, I had more empathy for them.

01:06:32.240 I felt like there's a weakness there.

01:06:35.800 And I felt bad.

01:06:37.380 There's a, you know, whether they're addicted to sex, terrible thing to have that hormone running through your body and not being able to handle it, not deal with it, not know what to do.

01:06:48.280 Um, so I, you know, I know it sounds crazy, but I forgive them and, and, you know, I, I kind of, I care about, about them.

01:07:01.000 I think, but that, that may be a bridge too far for, for many people, but I, but I think people can get into the habit of not catastrophizing every bad thing that happens.

01:07:14.880 And this was by any measure, a bad thing that happened.

01:07:18.400 And your mother absolutely could have said, oh my God, and held you and started rocking and saying, you'll never be the same.

01:07:27.280 Your relationship with men will not be the same.

01:07:29.400 You know, we're going to have to get you in a meeting with therapy.

01:07:31.380 And it, and that could have created further scarring.

01:07:34.720 I do think the way she chose to handle it and, and already the child she built till 11 years, you know, who, who she was dealing with thanks to all those years of input.

01:07:43.620 But she was able to sort of say, this is the file it goes in.

01:07:47.620 It's about him, not about you.

01:07:49.780 You're fine.

01:07:50.920 And I know you've said it did not negatively impact your view of, or relationship or sexual relationships with men at any point thereafter.

01:08:01.860 No, not at all.

01:08:03.440 I mean, I, but, but as you say, you're not, whatever, that was an early experience.

01:08:08.900 Um, and I remember back when I was also, uh, at a bar with my girlfriend and it was over and he locked the door and my girlfriend was in the other place next door.

01:08:19.260 She wasn't there.

01:08:20.280 And this guy who was a really nice guy.

01:08:22.840 And he threw me down on the banquette and this place.

01:08:26.020 And, and it was, they served food and everything.

01:08:28.360 So it wasn't, and, and he, he started to, you know, pound on me, not hurt me, but he wanted to, you know, make sense with me or something.

01:08:36.200 And, and, and I was lying there now, but mind you, I was a ballet dancer.

01:08:40.780 So I was, I was strong.

01:08:42.160 I had very strong legs.

01:08:43.340 I, you know, I wasn't wimpy.

01:08:45.020 Right.

01:08:45.320 In the meantime, a cop came from Washington, D.C.

01:08:49.520 I looked at the window.

01:08:50.880 He looked down cause he heard me yelling and he, and the guy put his hand over my mouth.

01:08:55.880 I got out from under him and I, I ripped out from under him, my leg.

01:09:01.740 I pushed him.

01:09:02.420 I got out and I ran into the kitchen and I got a knife and I, I held it up and I said, don't touch me.

01:09:11.260 Wow.

01:09:11.700 And he started to cry and he said, I'm so sorry.

01:09:15.960 I don't know what happened to me.

01:09:17.100 I'm so sorry.

01:09:18.520 Now I look at that experience and I still feel bad for him.

01:09:24.100 Wow.

01:09:24.700 Because, because I, I, I wasn't hurt.

01:09:28.600 I knew, I knew what was wrong with him.

01:09:31.300 He, he redeemed himself, obviously.

01:09:34.160 So I didn't have one of those horrible experiences.

01:09:37.360 Okay.

01:09:37.720 So I'm not saying, you know what I'm saying?

01:09:40.000 That I was, yeah, yeah, I could, could have, it's gone a different way for too many people.

01:09:44.500 It's gone a different way for too many people.

01:09:46.760 You bet.

01:09:47.440 I mean, so, but it's an experience.

01:09:50.120 And, and I think that it's an element of, if we can't have a deeper understanding of human behavior, forget killing, forget full on rape, forget all these things.

01:10:03.000 But with your, your husbands, your children, your loved ones, the people that are in your life, people, strangers that aren't nice, things that you can see out of it.

01:10:12.120 If we don't feel empathy, if we don't feel empathy, if we don't feel empathy, a sense of empathy for someone else, I don't know if life is worth living.

01:10:21.820 I really don't.

01:10:23.060 I think caring for something, caring about something is really, really what you have in life.

01:10:30.880 And it brings great happiness and great joy.

01:10:34.200 And this thing that I'm doing with MindUp, MindUp for life, brings me so much joy because I'm ultimately doing something at this time in my life that I care about, building human capacity, human capital, to be able to say one day, maybe this will be in every school in the world.

01:10:56.440 27 countries have already come to our site, mainly, you said it, it's around the world, this problem.

01:11:05.080 We've got to build a healthier world, a world where people actually experience what it is, all the joys of being human, not just being angry, not having to win, not be somebody who has to, you know, weigh this against that.

01:11:20.500 Understand that.

01:11:22.100 Try and understand that.

01:11:23.580 And when you do, you realize it's actually more congeniality, where we actually understand we don't always think the same way.

01:11:31.900 And we talk about this in the classroom.

01:11:33.880 So I just think we have to build better capital.

01:11:38.080 We are there.

01:11:39.040 I'm sappy to do it.

01:11:40.520 I may sound like a Pollyanna, sweetheart.

01:11:43.340 I'm not.

01:11:44.360 I'm very scrutinizing.

01:11:46.520 But I'm resilient.

01:11:48.640 And, you know, people aren't going to push me over that easily.

01:11:51.120 But I think it's a good reminder that there is a soft, safe, loving place that everyone can go to on their own, within their own head.

01:12:02.120 You don't need a room called a safe room.

01:12:04.020 You don't need speech labeled safe.

01:12:06.440 You are in charge of the safety of your own body, your own mind, and whether you are okay, whether you can handle the anxiety or the stress brought on by anybody's words or behavior.

01:12:16.640 Whatever it is, you are in charge of how you're going to react to that.

01:12:21.320 And if you don't have the tools, they are gettable.

01:12:24.660 They're gettable.

01:12:25.380 They're learnable.

01:12:26.260 They definitely are.

01:12:28.220 I love.

01:12:29.240 Thank you.

01:12:29.860 No wonder we have dinner when we get together.

01:12:32.080 I just did it over you.

01:12:33.540 It's like, come on.

01:12:35.260 You can do it.

01:12:36.020 It's not this.

01:12:36.940 It's the tequila.

01:12:37.780 But this is also good.

01:12:38.640 All right, wait, let's squeeze in a quick break because I want to talk to you about what else you're doing now and just a couple of fun moments because you know I'm not letting you leave without talking about Overboard, one of the greatest films of all time.

01:12:52.560 It's like the godfather, Overboard, Willy Wonka.

01:12:57.060 We'll be right back with the one and only Goldie Hawn.

01:13:00.520 Your list of movies, it's too, it's crazy.

01:13:07.920 I just went back and was looking, like, I've seen all of these.

01:13:10.960 Seems like old times, talk about private vengeance, swing shift, I love.

01:13:14.240 That's where you and Kurt Russell met.

01:13:16.620 And it goes on and on.

01:13:17.880 Here's just a couple for people who need a refresher like I did.

01:13:21.200 We'll get to Overboard in a second.

01:13:22.460 First Wives Club, Everyone Says I Love You.

01:13:24.020 That was the Woody Allen film, 1996, same year.

01:13:26.100 Protocol, Wildcats, Bird on a Wire, House Sitter, Death Becomes Her, The Out-of-Towners, Town and Country.

01:13:29.820 I could go on.

01:13:32.140 First Wives Club is, I hear, possibly making a sequel, so we'll see about that.

01:13:36.800 But let's get to the main event, okay?

01:13:39.100 Let's talk Turkey, Overboard.

01:13:42.320 1987, I just learned in preparing for this interview, it was based on a real story.

01:13:47.280 There was an actual woman who fell off a boat or showed up on a Florida shore with amnesia.

01:13:52.800 And in the movie, which was apparently written with you and Kurt in mind,

01:13:55.600 the premise is that the woman, your character, falls off of her yacht after being a real jerk

01:14:01.640 to Kurt Russell's carpenter character.

01:14:04.060 And he decides, after she threw all of his carpentry tools in the water,

01:14:09.080 that he's going to go claim this woman at the hospital and convince her that they're married

01:14:14.660 and put her to work for him until she works off all the money she threw into the water.

01:14:19.120 It's so funny.

01:14:19.800 You could never make this film today, by the way.

01:14:21.860 You'd get hit for it.

01:14:22.480 Not appropriate.

01:14:23.380 Not PC.

01:14:24.180 Whatever.

01:14:25.760 You couldn't make a lot of them today.

01:14:28.240 You couldn't make any of them?

01:14:29.480 A lot of them, you know?

01:14:31.040 Yeah.

01:14:31.340 I mean, when you look at some of the films and the way they were and what they,

01:14:34.300 I mean, it's just, you know, things have changed tremendously.

01:14:37.820 Interestingly enough, it has affected comedy quite a bit.

01:14:42.480 But, you know, basically being, you know, basically politically correct and so forth.

01:14:49.040 Because their jokes were oftentimes made, you know, on all these different things that,

01:14:53.820 you know, were sort of liabilities, right?

01:14:56.140 Yeah.

01:14:57.280 And, you know, I know with a lot of comics, I mean, it's sort of like they, you know,

01:15:02.120 even when they go into universities, there's a lot of sensitivity to all kinds of stuff.

01:15:06.900 So it's really interesting to be a stand-up comic or understand what your subject matters

01:15:12.240 could actually be without offending someone.

01:15:14.980 That's going to be so annoying to you.

01:15:16.180 You spent a whole career trying to make people laugh.

01:15:18.080 Like having to worry about the third rails.

01:15:20.060 You're supposed to step on the third rails if you're trying to make people laugh.

01:15:22.760 You're supposed to start on what?

01:15:24.560 You're supposed to step on the third rails.

01:15:26.360 You're supposed to sort of poke the things that normal people wouldn't poke.

01:15:29.780 Oh, yeah.

01:15:30.660 No, exactly.

01:15:31.600 I mean, Don Rickles, you know, is the killer on that.

01:15:33.860 Um, no, that's sort of, you know, what you do.

01:15:37.360 I mean, it was, it was kind of like that, you know, um, I mean, I don't know.

01:15:41.920 I remember one line I did on Wildcats and, you know, I told, I told him off and, you know,

01:15:47.780 I was really upset with him and this was, um, Nipsey Russell and, and I was like, really

01:15:52.440 this?

01:15:52.780 And I left there and I hot it up and I came back and I said, I forgot my purse.

01:15:58.580 So, and, and she went back, you know, now today that would be a moment, which is

01:16:03.840 it's, was funny, but it's now it's sort of like, oh, you're just down, down deep.

01:16:10.060 I'm just a crazy female, you know?

01:16:12.760 Um, so there's a lot of areas that maybe not, would not have been, not, you've been getting

01:16:21.320 guff for doing this kind of thing for a long time.

01:16:23.400 I understand when you, you did laugh in, that was sort of your first big, big thing.

01:16:26.640 I mean, laughing back in the late sixties was, I mean, everybody watched it.

01:16:30.800 It was like one in four Americans was watching laugh in, which was on Monday nights.

01:16:34.500 Everybody watched it.

01:16:35.280 That's where she like became a huge star.

01:16:37.380 And then your movie career launched right after that.

01:16:39.420 But I read that when you were doing that, cause you, you sort of played up sort of the,

01:16:43.460 the dumb blonde character in a funny way.

01:16:46.640 And, um, I read that sort of the women's lib advocates kind of gave you a hard time saying,

01:16:52.940 what are you doing?

01:16:54.280 You know, you're setting women back and you were like, well, I don't think we need to burn

01:16:56.960 our bras necessarily to get ahead.

01:16:58.640 Like I'm kind of living the women's lib thing by paying my bills and working as an actress.

01:17:04.740 I don't like, is that true?

01:17:07.260 What I said to her was this, she said, well, what about women's liberation?

01:17:11.400 Uh, and don't you feel bad because, you know, you're basically showing off as a dumb blonde.

01:17:16.660 I said, really?

01:17:18.100 I said, you know, I'm already liberated.

01:17:21.200 And she looked at me like, uh, what do you mean?

01:17:28.320 I said, well, liberation comes from the inside and I'm liberated.

01:17:34.340 And she, it was one of those moments really where I didn't even know what I was going to say.

01:17:39.160 You know, sometimes when people ask you questions and you're thinking, you know,

01:17:41.740 and it just comes out, you know, and it just came out is that, you know, I,

01:17:46.720 I don't know what you're saying because I'm experiencing liberation right now.

01:17:50.220 Well, you would go on to live a life that showed it.

01:17:52.940 I mean, I think that some of the stuff we're talking about producing the movie instead of

01:17:55.460 just starring in a time when not a lot of women were doing that and standing up for

01:17:58.960 yourself and not submitting and so on, taking a lot of bullshit from men.

01:18:03.240 Um, so you navigate yourself to a place where you can do a movie like overboard.

01:18:08.760 You have her.

01:18:09.780 I mean, really, that was a great role, by the way.

01:18:14.320 And I was also looking at wonderful roles.

01:18:16.920 I mean, she was, first of all, we did the movie, you know, where I played, um, Annie first.

01:18:24.080 I didn't, we didn't put it in, in, in order.

01:18:27.660 Joanna was the rich bitch version of you.

01:18:30.180 And Annie was like the one he said, no, Annie's my wife.

01:18:33.100 Do all the cleaning, Annie.

01:18:35.040 Exactly.

01:18:35.620 So she was the one that I had to know who I was so I could play who I didn't know I was.

01:18:41.360 So it was, it was quite a challenge to tell you the truth there.

01:18:48.520 One of the scenes I love the most Goldie is where you're, you're, you've had it, you know,

01:18:53.860 this woman who's really Joanna, who's being told she's Annie and a housewife who does all the chores

01:18:58.680 knows at some level that this isn't the right fit.

01:19:01.860 And he dumps you in this like sort of water barrel out in the front of the house.

01:19:05.980 And we have a clip in which you channel my every thought when I pick up a mop.

01:19:12.460 Here she goes.

01:19:13.260 Listen.

01:19:13.860 Come on, guys.

01:19:15.800 Move it.

01:19:20.860 Feel better?

01:19:25.960 I don't belong here.

01:19:28.200 I feel it.

01:19:29.900 Don't you think I feel it?

01:19:31.860 I can't do any of these vile things and I wouldn't want to.

01:19:37.420 My life is like death.

01:19:40.260 My children are the spawn of hell and you're the devil.

01:19:45.000 Oh, no.

01:19:51.780 Baby, we like you.

01:20:01.860 Oh, my God.

01:20:04.180 I mean, I haven't seen that in a long time.

01:20:11.060 I mean, that's like.

01:20:11.800 So good.

01:20:12.560 I can't do any of these vile things and I wouldn't want to.

01:20:17.820 My children are the spawns of hell.

01:20:21.800 You're the devil.

01:20:22.800 Oh, my God.

01:20:24.480 I mean, there are things in that film.

01:20:26.780 There were there were.

01:20:27.600 It was so funny.

01:20:29.240 And it also is emotional because when she came out and said, I.

01:20:37.220 How could you?

01:20:38.960 You know, how could you do this?

01:20:40.720 When she learned when she learns that he's been duping her because they do fall for each

01:20:45.440 other.

01:20:45.740 And then she learns he's been lying to her.

01:20:48.980 Exactly.

01:20:49.660 And then my real husband comes back in his limo and the kids were devastated.

01:20:55.480 And I was I just didn't know what to do.

01:20:58.800 I remembered who I was finally.

01:21:00.920 And and it was like, oh, my God.

01:21:03.480 Now, in the middle of a movie that is hilarious.

01:21:07.340 Right.

01:21:08.140 That was a very dramatic moment.

01:21:10.500 And when she got in the car, the kids running after her.

01:21:14.420 That was so sad.

01:21:16.140 So a movie where you can cry, laugh, you know, just have a lot of emotions to it.

01:21:26.340 And we're really extraordinarily lucky to be able to play.

01:21:32.420 The end of the movie was one of my favorite endings, because when we jumped in the water

01:21:38.160 because we we were pining for each other, he was I was looking for him and we dove in

01:21:45.400 the water together in the sea to get together.

01:21:48.700 The end of it, after they're all bundled up, he says, what can I give you that you don't

01:21:53.720 already have? Because she had the money and she looked at him and said, a baby, baby girl.

01:21:59.740 Yeah.

01:22:00.640 Kind of like, oh, perfect line, perfect line for an end of a movie.

01:22:05.640 I mean, it's like I loved it.

01:22:07.560 But you guys were the key, the writer of the film.

01:22:11.360 Is it Leslie Dixon?

01:22:13.840 Leslie Dixon.

01:22:15.020 And and then there was writing from, you know, everybody.

01:22:18.480 Harvey wrote some stuff.

01:22:20.140 And, you know, we we were we worked on it together.

01:22:22.900 Well, so she says she gives you guys all the credit.

01:22:25.860 She's like, Kurt and Goldie are the cutest people on the face of the earth.

01:22:29.900 She goes, I don't say that to be diminishing.

01:22:31.360 She goes, it's just a fact.

01:22:33.040 Everyone loves them.

01:22:34.520 The chemistry was palpable.

01:22:36.980 You guys had met a few years earlier on the set of Swing Shift, which I also really enjoyed.

01:22:41.820 And you could feel it.

01:22:43.540 And then you had a new baby, Wyatt, Wyatt of now like who's now like Captain America.

01:22:48.560 Um, he I just learned today he was running around the set.

01:22:52.960 He was one of the kids in one of the outdoor mini golf scenes.

01:22:57.580 He was nine months old.

01:23:00.120 Oh, my gosh.

01:23:01.480 Wow.

01:23:01.980 Nine months old.

01:23:03.120 And my nanny was holding him in the scene.

01:23:06.100 So he was just one of the extras.

01:23:09.200 Right.

01:23:09.940 It was meant to be.

01:23:11.160 And he's like a baby on the movie set and still is on one.

01:23:14.960 Right.

01:23:15.440 And he took his first steps on that movie.

01:23:18.720 Wow.

01:23:19.720 I don't know.

01:23:20.300 What do you why do you think that movie has withstood the test of time?

01:23:22.700 You know, because not every movie made in 1987, like Moonstruck.

01:23:25.560 That was an amazing film.

01:23:26.780 I think it may have come out that year.

01:23:28.520 People aren't still watching it.

01:23:29.660 It's still not on television all the time.

01:23:31.420 So why is Overboard doing that?

01:23:33.920 Well, I think Overboard is a general, um, uh, is the relationship movie.

01:23:40.460 First of all, it's about people falling in love.

01:23:43.440 It's a, an amazing premise.

01:23:45.940 If you didn't know who you were, who would you be?

01:23:49.140 Uh, it's also about when you, it's also about love.

01:23:53.920 Um, when you think you can't fall in love, it changes you.

01:23:58.640 And it's also good for blended families to see is that sometimes when they don't know

01:24:04.460 who their mother is, or they don't have a mom anymore, a new person coming into the

01:24:09.660 household doesn't mean that it's going to fall apart.

01:24:12.360 Sometimes it means that they're going to have a great time.

01:24:15.820 A lot of doctors use this movie for blended families to show.

01:24:20.440 And, uh, so it, it, it has tremendous ability to make people feel, and it has nothing to do

01:24:28.200 with time.

01:24:29.140 That's why it's so timeless.

01:24:30.560 It's that it's really about, about humor, but how people get along and how to get along.

01:24:37.520 Um, and you know, it was emotional.

01:24:40.080 I mean, when she wakes up and said, uh, when she had, you know, all that, you know, she

01:24:44.680 was had, um, she said, I'm so ugly.

01:24:46.880 I mean, this is where she had, you know, it's, she had poison oak.

01:24:50.880 Exactly.

01:24:51.660 Yeah.

01:24:51.900 You know, no, it was great when she came out.

01:24:53.720 He was telling all these stories about her past, that she was in the Navy and that she

01:24:57.420 had, she used to be really fat, which is why she had, he had only these huge house dresses

01:25:00.720 for her that he got from the salvation.

01:25:02.040 And she goes, I was a short, fat slut.

01:25:06.940 That's right.

01:25:07.980 I mean, really, it's just so funny, you know, and then when we're in bed together, right.

01:25:13.160 And it's sleeping and he got me a washing machine, um, for my birthday and the kids,

01:25:19.020 it's, she was so happy, you know, and then he told her all about how she, we know, was

01:25:24.560 a employee of the month and, and she was so happy about it, you know, and, and so

01:25:32.020 you had this feeling, you, you, you kind of hated him and you kind of knew he was falling

01:25:36.360 in love with her.

01:25:37.100 And she was so vulnerable to believe that I was, I was employee of the month, you know,

01:25:43.820 learning about who I was and feeling good about it.

01:25:46.940 Yeah.

01:25:47.440 And new information for this character that she might actually be a good person, which

01:25:50.720 Joanna, the other person not, would never have actually heard.

01:25:56.040 And by the way, I mean, it must be said, your body was so amazing.

01:26:01.240 I was like, your body looks so good.

01:26:03.320 By the way, I had a baby.

01:26:05.300 Well, he was nine months old.

01:26:07.040 How is that possible?

01:26:08.220 What were you doing?

01:26:09.760 Well, you know, I guess being a dancer all your life, your, your body knows the muscles.

01:26:16.800 No, there's, they have information.

01:26:19.760 And so it's like, when you go back to work again, or you lose weight again, or you do whatever

01:26:25.360 you, you kind of got to go back.

01:26:27.960 Your body has memory.

01:26:28.940 And I think that's what happened.

01:26:30.880 What did I do?

01:26:31.640 I worked out.

01:26:32.900 I did a lot of things, you know, I didn't break my back, but I worked out.

01:26:37.480 I did my sit ups.

01:26:38.340 I did my stuff.

01:26:39.260 I had someone working with me.

01:26:41.120 You know, I did all my weights.

01:26:42.340 Of course, I did aerobic.

01:26:43.900 So yeah, I mean, you know, I did what I, what I normally do.

01:26:48.580 You looked amazing.

01:26:49.900 You both did.

01:26:50.680 It was like, I think it's muscle memory.

01:26:52.700 I swear to God.

01:26:53.480 You still have it.

01:26:54.640 You post these little videos of you and your family during the pandemic when you got the

01:26:58.120 puppy or whatever.

01:26:58.900 I'm like, that bitch looks better than I am.

01:27:01.260 And she is 76 now.

01:27:02.600 I don't even know what you, it's like, what the hell?

01:27:05.400 First of all, your body is killer.

01:27:08.780 I mean, you will always have that, by the way.

01:27:10.920 You know, there's nothing to snap back into.

01:27:12.340 No, it's very jiggly.

01:27:13.380 It's not like the Goldie Hawn in Overboard.

01:27:15.060 Trust me, it never has been.

01:27:15.900 You can't tell me that.

01:27:19.180 It's not true.

01:27:20.100 But anyway, yeah, so it's really, it is nice.

01:27:23.400 But you know, what's interesting is we get older and I'm very, very, what it is.

01:27:28.400 You can tell, you know, I've been a dancer.

01:27:30.380 You cannot let that go.

01:27:32.160 Once you're three and four and five and six and seven and eight, and that's what you did

01:27:35.300 dance all your life.

01:27:36.460 You cannot let yourself go.

01:27:37.980 Right.

01:27:38.480 So, you know, I went and I got, I go to places for cleanses and all that.

01:27:42.280 We were just talking about that this morning.

01:27:45.040 And I said, you know, no matter what I do, I go to the cleansing place.

01:27:49.020 It's great.

01:27:50.080 I'm doing all my, everything we do.

01:27:51.760 We do collards, we do the scrubs, we do the massage.

01:27:54.060 We don't eat.

01:27:55.020 We have, you know, all the stuff that we do do.

01:27:57.420 You know, my stomach is so flat and I'm so happy.

01:28:01.420 And it takes about two weeks.

01:28:02.700 What the hell cleanses this?

01:28:04.100 What cleanses this?

01:28:04.760 It goes back again.

01:28:06.460 I mean, my stomach is, it's not huge.

01:28:09.420 It's just all in the wrong place.

01:28:11.640 You know what I mean?

01:28:12.540 And I'm like, oh, come on.

01:28:14.340 And so, you know, so am I paying attention still?

01:28:18.160 Yes.

01:28:19.340 We can tell is you look amazing.

01:28:21.260 And by the way, Abby, could you sign me up for dance classes immediately?

01:28:25.580 Goldie Hawn, I love you so much.

01:28:28.520 Thank you so much for doing this, for doing Mind Up.

01:28:31.380 And the next tequilas are on me, sister.

01:28:34.180 Okay, babe, you got it.

01:28:35.740 Talk soon.

01:28:36.320 It's time for another edition of Thanks But No Thanks, where we say thanks but no thanks

01:28:45.540 to a trend or story bubbling up in the news.

01:28:48.080 Today, we're talking about chocolate, specifically the little bite-sized chocolate candy everyone

01:28:53.740 loves, M&M's.

01:28:55.420 M&M's taste great, but they also have cute little characters from the ads.

01:28:59.200 Remember them?

01:28:59.680 Well, it's 2022, and everyone has lost their minds.

01:29:04.940 So these cute little guys and gals are getting a woke makeover, yes?

01:29:09.360 These M&M's, you see, are not empowered enough.

01:29:12.560 And candy maker Mars Wrigley announced this week that they would be updated for our, quote,

01:29:17.280 more dynamic, progressive world.

01:29:19.860 What does that mean?

01:29:21.120 Well, here's what's different now.

01:29:22.380 First, that little orange guy at the end.

01:29:25.380 Well, he looked nervous before, but now he's going to really, quote, embrace his true self,

01:29:31.320 worries and all, end quote.

01:29:33.700 Yes, this guy who probably wears three masks when going to the grocery store is one of the

01:29:37.780 most relatable characters with Gen Z, according to Mars Wrigley, because they are, quote, the

01:29:43.460 most anxious generation.

01:29:45.320 Well, you may be right about that.

01:29:46.920 Then there's that red M&M who's always in a bad mood.

01:29:49.400 Well, he was too much of a bully before, it turns out.

01:29:52.260 So now he's going to be less mean to everyone.

01:29:55.740 But where the real changes come in, this is where the rubber meets the road, is with those

01:30:00.120 lady M&M's, brown and green.

01:30:01.880 Did you know they were female?

01:30:02.740 They are.

01:30:03.540 There's brown M&M whose high heels were apparently just a little too high before and have now

01:30:09.040 been reduced to a more sensible height.

01:30:12.180 Oh, my God.

01:30:13.640 Then there's green, the sexy M&M.

01:30:16.780 I did not know any of this about the M&M's.

01:30:18.820 The sexy M&M's, the green, remember her?

01:30:21.460 Check this out from an ad in 2009.

01:30:25.100 Introducing mint chocolate M&M's premiums.

01:30:29.080 Premium chocolate infused with the cool intensity of mint.

01:30:34.580 Oh, the chocolate experience you've been waiting for.

01:30:39.020 I'd say that's a wrap.

01:30:46.860 I'll be in my trailer.

01:30:49.040 New M&M's premiums.

01:30:50.440 M&M, that's the real woman.

01:30:55.080 That's a real woman, M&M.

01:30:56.760 Hello, Mars Wrigley.

01:30:58.000 No, they don't agree.

01:30:59.500 Gone are the green M&M's little boots and sex appeal replaced with, quote, cool, laid back

01:31:04.940 sneakers to reflect her effortless confidence as a strong female and known for much more

01:31:09.940 than her boots.

01:31:10.700 You've got to be fucking kidding me.

01:31:12.400 What?

01:31:12.720 I'm sorry.

01:31:15.420 You've got to be joking.

01:31:17.380 Who comes up with this stuff?

01:31:19.460 What is not cool or strong or female about high heels?

01:31:24.620 Who is running this company?

01:31:26.780 OK, I'm not done, though.

01:31:27.780 Not only that, green and brown M&M had a bad relationship before.

01:31:32.200 That's changing, too.

01:31:33.460 Now they will be nice to each other and, quote, throwing shine and not shade, all in an effort

01:31:39.320 to, quote, reflect confidence and empowerment.

01:31:42.440 I can't.

01:31:44.080 We're talking about little chocolate characters, people.

01:31:47.280 How much time do these candy marketing executives have on their hands?

01:31:50.240 Get to work.

01:31:51.240 My God.

01:31:52.140 Do your jobs.

01:31:53.020 Do they get paid bonuses based on how many stupid, woke decisions they make in a day?

01:31:57.500 To the to the ridiculous effort that went into modernizing these little chocolate characters,

01:32:03.460 so they can be more progressive.

01:32:05.700 I say, thanks, but no thanks.

01:32:09.300 This is unbelievable.

01:32:11.240 Steve Krakauer, are you I've got it?

01:32:13.020 Are you here?

01:32:13.680 Can you talk?

01:32:14.940 He can sometimes pop up and sometimes cannot.

01:32:17.620 Is that is all of that true?

01:32:18.940 Is this did we make this up?

01:32:20.320 Is this actually happening?

01:32:22.580 It's all true.

01:32:24.320 It came out yesterday.

01:32:25.580 Seriously, somebody should get fired immediately.

01:32:28.360 Did you know this, Abby?

01:32:29.360 Did you know that Green X M&M was a sexy one?

01:32:31.540 Did you know Brown and Green were the girls and the others are the boys?

01:32:35.220 I knew a lot of this.

01:32:36.100 My God, I knew none of this.

01:32:37.900 Who spends their time thinking about this crap?

01:32:40.300 This is why the country's going to hell in a handbasket.

01:32:43.120 OK, thank God for people like Goldie who make sure these people, these little M&Ms need therapy.

01:32:47.480 They need to sign up for Mind Up.

01:32:49.000 And so do the executives at the company.

01:32:51.620 All right.

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01:32:55.440 We've got packed shows, including Dr. Laura is coming on the show.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - January 21, 2022

Goldie Hawn on the Importance of Family, Her Storied Career, and Mental Health ｜ Ep. 245

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