The Megyn Kelly Show - Good Riddance Fauci, and Meghan Markle's Smug Podcast, with Bethany Mandel, Karol Markowicz, and Dan Wootton ｜ Ep. 379

00:00:00.480 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:11.720 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.300 Good riddance, Anthony Fauci.

00:00:18.800 Anthony Fauci is not looking for our forgiveness.

00:00:21.460 As you know, he's stepping down from his post.

00:00:23.940 And that's good because millions of us will never provide it.

00:00:27.180 The truth is that Dr. Fauci, who had a greater hand than anyone in causing Americans to lose their jobs, years of learning, and even their lives thanks to the social and economic upheaval he helped foist upon us during the pandemic, ought to be ashamed to show his face in polite society.

00:00:46.600 Instead, the man is self-congratulatory.

00:00:49.440 It's called the Fauci effect.

00:00:51.200 People go to medical school now, people are interested in science, not because of me, because people, most people don't know me, who I am.

00:00:59.780 My friends know me, my wife knows me, but people don't know me.

00:01:03.180 It's what I symbolize.

00:01:04.680 People, the craving for consistency, for integrity, for truth, and for people caring about people.

00:01:10.960 Integrity and truth, truth, that's a joke.

00:01:13.940 Look, as even he has inadvertently admitted.

00:01:17.620 He lied about his views on masks, for example, first saying we didn't need them, which happened to be true, then saying we did and that he only lied earlier to preserve them for medical workers.

00:01:27.660 Meanwhile, his pals over the CDC did a study of 90,000 school children in Georgia and found that masks do nothing.

00:01:33.060 A study Fauci and the CDC then promptly ignored, later dismissing all criticism of Fauci's edicts as anti-science.

00:01:41.700 Anybody who's looking at this carefully realizes that there's a distinct anti-science flavor to this.

00:01:50.080 So if they get up and criticize science, nobody's going to know what they're talking about.

00:01:54.440 But if they get up and really aim their bullets at Tony Fauci, well, people could recognize there's a person there.

00:02:01.140 So it's easy to criticize.

00:02:02.940 But they're really criticizing science because I represent science.

00:02:09.300 In May of 2020, he admitted that the real reason he wants us all masked was, quote, I want to make them a symbol for people.

00:02:17.900 Where my symbol, serfs, where two of them.

00:02:20.900 In fact, he later thought double masking was, quote, common sense.

00:02:24.440 F you and F your kids. 0.99

00:02:26.080 I am the science.

00:02:28.180 Now, he says these weren't lies.

00:02:30.600 It wasn't a flip flop.

00:02:32.360 It was just the evolution of facts.

00:02:36.540 Listen.

00:02:37.340 With COVID, I mean, the things that we thought we knew in the beginning turned out as the months went by to not be the case,

00:02:45.280 which really forced us to adapt and to change some of our policies and recommendations.

00:02:51.260 That was interpreted by many as flip flopping or not really knowing what's going on when it really was the evolution of the science.

00:03:01.220 What science evolved on the wearing of masks?

00:03:03.840 Something you admit you knew you were lying about at the time you first publicly commented.

00:03:08.640 What science evolved on the vaccination level needed to allegedly get us to herd immunity.

00:03:14.780 First, Dr. Fauci said we needed to get up to around 70 percent.

00:03:18.680 Then he upped it later to 80, 85.

00:03:20.580 Why?

00:03:21.260 Because the science evolved.

00:03:23.920 That's not what he said.

00:03:25.420 He said he changed the number when he thought the public would tolerate a greater percentage.

00:03:30.540 Another lie that he admitted to.

00:03:32.300 This wasn't the evolution of anything besides Anthony Fauci's con.

00:03:36.940 He mocked the idea of natural immunity, eliminating the need for his mandatory beloved vaccines,

00:03:42.800 despite admitting years earlier that natural immunity is, in fact, the gold standard.

00:03:48.640 She's had the flu for 14 days.

00:03:50.100 Should she get a flu shot?

00:03:51.220 Well, no.

00:03:51.660 If she got the flu for 14 days, she's as protected as anybody can be,

00:03:55.060 because the best vaccination is to get infected yourself.

00:03:58.120 Well, and if she really has the flu, if she really has the flu, 0.95

00:04:04.200 she definitely doesn't need a flu vaccine. 0.95

00:04:06.780 If she really has the flu, she should not get it again.

00:04:09.920 She doesn't need it because it's the best.

00:04:12.080 It's the most potent vaccination is getting infected yourself.

00:04:15.800 You don't say.

00:04:17.540 His unexplained reversal cost millions their livelihoods.

00:04:22.160 As of October of 2021, 5% of unvaccinated adults said they had lost a job due to a vaccine mandate,

00:04:29.980 according to the Kaiser Foundation.

00:04:32.020 Folks like truckers who work alone and are socially distanced naturally for a living.

00:04:37.460 Healthcare workers who were already infected and stood ready to help those who were hurting from COVID

00:04:43.080 booted out of short-staffed hospitals.

00:04:45.460 Nearly 2,000 public employees in New York City alone, where another 6,000 are still waiting for as yet ungranted exemptions.

00:04:54.200 Great.

00:04:54.640 Good time to cut back on police in a city rampant with crime.

00:04:59.420 The military, roughly 40,000 unvaccinated National Guardsmen and 22,000 reserve soldiers cut off from their military benefits.

00:05:08.500 Another 3,400 troops involuntarily separated from service for refusing to get the vaccine.

00:05:15.420 Nearly 2,000 of those Marines.

00:05:17.600 Okay, sure.

00:05:18.500 What do we need Marines for anyway?

00:05:20.980 Not all of those folks had natural immunity.

00:05:23.920 Not every single one of them had COVID.

00:05:25.780 But the point is, if they did, zero people connected to Anthony Fauci or his policies cared or would even consider it,

00:05:33.220 thanks to Dr. Integrity.

00:05:34.740 But Fauci's biggest lie was told under oath when he testified before Congress that his group at the NIH never funded gain-of-function research in Wuhan, China.

00:05:47.040 The kind that experiments on bat coronaviruses to try to make them more lethal or more transmissible in humans. 0.67

00:05:54.320 Senator Rand Paul confronted Fauci on this falsehood.

00:05:57.700 Dr. Fauci, knowing that it is a crime to lie to Congress, do you wish to retract your statement of May 11th where you claimed that the NIH never funded gain-of-function research in Wuhan?

00:06:09.220 Senator Paul, I have never lied before the Congress.

00:06:13.220 But all the evidence is pointing that it came from the lab and there will be responsibility for those who funded the lab, including yourself.

00:06:20.240 I totally resent the lie that you are now propagating.

00:06:27.800 No one's saying those viruses caused it.

00:06:29.920 No one is alleging that those viruses caused the pandemic.

00:06:32.980 What we're alleging is that gain-of-function research was going on in that lab and NIH funded it.

00:06:38.520 You can't get away from it.

00:06:40.060 It meets your definition and you are obfuscating the truth.

00:06:43.180 And you are implying that what we did was responsible for the deaths of individuals.

00:06:49.960 I totally resent that.

00:06:51.260 And it could have been.

00:06:51.600 And if anybody is lying here, Senator, it is you.

00:06:56.680 Nice moment for the cameras.

00:06:59.320 Unfortunately for Fauci, he was the one who was lying and he was caught in this lie, thanks to the emergence of previously unseen documents unearthed by Republicans in Congress.

00:07:09.680 The NIH was later forced to admit in writing in a letter to Congress that it had indeed funded gain-of-function research at the Wuhan lab, despite those nonsense denials by Fauci, claiming that the group to which Dr. Fauci gave the money, EcoHealth Alliance, had not been straight with the NIH about it.

00:07:32.160 Oh, gambling?

00:07:33.360 What?

00:07:34.420 Okay, Mr. Truthful.

00:07:35.820 By the way, there was never any Fauci apology for this misleading in front of members of Congress while under oath.

00:07:42.880 No personal coming clean whatsoever.

00:07:46.400 The NIH must have been very angry that this group, EcoHealth Alliance, partnering with a Wuhan lab, embarrassed Dr. Fauci so badly and possibly even had a role in causing the pandemic.

00:07:56.880 Unclear, but possible.

00:07:58.100 So angry, in fact, that it just approved more public grants, more of your money for EcoHealth, the NIH did, with zero additional oversight or accountability.

00:08:10.020 I am Integrity.

00:08:11.920 You feel good about it, don't you?

00:08:13.400 I'm sure they'll spend it well.

00:08:14.560 Mr. Integrity took the opinions of 11 or so respected virologists who came to him early on in this pandemic and said, yo, this thing looks like it came from a lab and appears to have probably pressured them into doing a 180.

00:08:30.160 And we now know why the NIH had been funding this kind of lab research in Wuhan, China.

00:08:36.480 These 11 scientists, most of whom make their living on NIH grants controlled by Fauci, went from saying, no way is this from an animal, to 48 hours later saying, it's racist to suggest it came from anything other than an animal.

00:08:50.800 Right after their chat with Dr. Science, who later granted two of them nearly $10 million in grants.

00:08:57.180 Coincidence, I'm sure.

00:08:58.120 Fauci was confronted on this by Rand Paul as well.

00:09:02.980 Watch.

00:09:03.660 Did you communicate with the five scientists who wrote the opinion piece in Nature, where they were describing, oh, there's no way this could have come from the lab?

00:09:12.600 That was not me.

00:09:13.520 What I did—

00:09:14.100 Did you talk with any of those scientists privately?

00:09:15.920 See, but you keep the story and the truth.

00:09:18.080 It is stunning.

00:09:19.000 Did you talk to any of the scientists privately who wrote the opinion?

00:09:23.080 You did.

00:09:23.780 What were they telling you privately?

00:09:25.720 Well, let me explain.

00:09:26.680 Now you know you're going back to that original discussion when I brought together a group of people to look at every possibility with an open mind.

00:09:36.060 So not only are you distorting it, you are completely turning it around, as you usually do.

00:09:40.920 Were most of the scientists that came to you privately, did they come to you privately and say, no way, this came from the lab?

00:09:46.440 Or was their initial impression, Dr. Gary and others that were involved, was their initial impression, actually, that it looked very suspicious for a virus that came from a lab?

00:09:55.300 Senator, we are here at a committee to look at a virus now that has killed almost 900,000 people.

00:10:04.920 And the purpose of the committee was to try and get things out, how we can help to get the American public.

00:10:12.200 And you keep coming back to personal attacks on me that have absolutely no relevance to reality.

00:10:19.580 How is it a personal attack to ask whether you did that with a virologist?

00:10:25.140 Hmm?

00:10:26.200 Just go to playing the victim.

00:10:27.560 That's his go to.

00:10:28.860 Such a chatty Kathy when trying to arm twist opinions on the origins of COVID.

00:10:34.680 But Fauci's silence on other issues has been absolutely deafening.

00:10:38.880 Like when millions broke his stay-at-home rules to jam the streets elbow-to-elbow for the BLM protests.

00:10:45.880 Hmm, nary a word.

00:10:47.500 He also said nothing when swarms of mourners broke quarantine to pay their respects to the late Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

00:10:53.460 Or to celebrate Joe Biden's win.

00:10:56.460 Those folks you see were doing good.

00:10:59.200 Those who questioned Dr. Science and his approach to the pandemic, evil.

00:11:04.980 Like the doctors who put together the Great Barrington Declaration.

00:11:08.020 Doctors from Stanford, Harvard, Oxford.

00:11:11.760 They challenged Fauci's lockdown push.

00:11:14.700 They said an approach based on focused protection, in which we protect the most vulnerable, the elderly, the immunocompromised.

00:11:21.660 Makes sense, but we let others live their lives.

00:11:25.120 That's what we need.

00:11:26.460 And what did Fauci do?

00:11:28.060 He conspired with his boss at the NIH to smear these good doctors.

00:11:33.120 Fauci and the NIH's Dr. Collins actually agreed to ensure a, quote, devastating takedown of these doctors who, unlike Fauci, actually specialize in epidemiology and vaccines.

00:11:46.320 Sure enough, the compliant media did hit pieces on these doctors, making any approach other than lockdowns verboten to even discuss.

00:11:55.400 The doctors have since filed a lawsuit over these smears.

00:11:58.200 Senator Paul confronted Fauci about this as well.

00:12:02.880 A planner who believes he is the science leads to an arrogance that justifies, in his mind, using government resources to smear and to destroy the reputations of other scientists who disagree with him.

00:12:14.900 In an email exchange with Dr. Collins, you conspire, and I quote here directly from the email, to create a quick and devastating published takedown of three prominent epidemiologists from Harvard, Oxford, and Stanford.

00:12:30.360 Apparently, there's a lot of fringe epidemiologists at Harvard, Oxford, and Stanford.

00:12:35.900 Do you really think it's appropriate to use your $420,000 salary to attack scientists that disagree with you?

00:12:42.420 I think in usual fashion, Senator, you are distorting everything about me.

00:12:48.260 Did you ever object to Dr. Collins' characterization of them as fringe?

00:12:51.700 Did you write back to Dr. Collins and say, no, they're not fringe, they're esteemed scientists, and it would be beneath me to do that?

00:12:57.760 You responded to him that you would do it, and you immediately got an article in Wired, and you sent it back to him and said, hey, look, I've got them, I nailed them in Wired of all scientific publications.

00:13:06.400 That's not what went on. There you go again. You just do the same thing every year.

00:13:11.060 That was your response. And this wasn't the only time. So your desire to take down people...

00:13:16.740 You're absolutely incorrect. As usual, Senator, you are incorrect almost everything you've said.

00:13:21.080 Fauci worked hand-in-hand with the White House to encourage censorship on the tech platforms, not just of the great Barrington doctors, but of folks like the disinformation dozen, who raised questions about his precious vaccines, for example.

00:13:37.360 That was just too toxic for tech.

00:13:40.040 Censorship, strong-arming, self-aggrandizing, bullying, that is who Dr. Fauci is.

00:13:45.960 And as I said at the beginning, he's not the least bit sorry.

00:13:50.220 As John Tierney, a City Journal contributing editor, recently put it, lockdowns and mask mandates were the most radical experiment in the history of public health.

00:13:58.900 But Anthony Fauci recently said, there should have been much, much more stringent restrictions early in the pandemic.

00:14:08.120 Fauci is indifferent to the harm that he helped cause.

00:14:12.740 Listen to what he said yesterday, speaking to Neil Cavuto.

00:14:14.880 In retrospect, do you regret that it went too far?

00:14:18.900 Whatever your original intentions were, and it's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback here, but that it went too far, that particularly for kids who couldn't go to school except remotely, that it's forever damaged them.

00:14:32.800 Well, I don't think it's forever irreparably damaged anyone.

00:14:36.500 Oh, my God.

00:14:38.420 Really?

00:14:39.800 Really?

00:14:40.840 Emergency room visits fell precipitously.

00:14:44.360 People weren't going, even though they were sick, because of him and his quarantine.

00:14:49.060 Fatal heart attacks rose.

00:14:50.420 Fewer people were screened for cancer.

00:14:52.060 They were too afraid to go out, or the cancer screening was closed.

00:14:56.000 Deaths of despair went through the roof by the tens of thousands.

00:14:58.900 The levels of anxiety, depression, and suicidal thoughts skyrocketed, not to mention what happened to our children, about whom he clearly does not give a damn.

00:15:09.920 The learning loss, especially among poor kids.

00:15:12.760 Does he care about them?

00:15:14.000 The suicidality of isolated teenagers, many of whom unfortunately succeeded in taking their own lives.

00:15:20.180 The lack of language development and social skills in kids forced to mask for the better part of two years, all because they wore his symbol.

00:15:29.220 Fatal car accidents went up thanks to substance abuse spikes.

00:15:33.540 Tierney goes on in his reporting, quote, nearly 40 percent of workers in low income households lost their jobs during the spring, triple the rate in high income households like Fauci's.

00:15:44.040 Thanks to you, by the way, you're paying his salary.

00:15:46.000 Minority owned small businesses suffered more, too, during the spring when it was estimated that 22 percent of all small businesses closed, 32 percent of Hispanic owners, 41 percent of black owners shut down.

00:15:57.580 Does Fauci care?

00:15:59.080 The United States, Tierney goes on, will experience more than one million excess deaths during the next two decades as a result of the massive unemployment shock last year, citing a team of researchers from Johns Hopkins and Duke.

00:16:14.000 Look, no irreparable harm was done.

00:16:17.340 Really, Dr. Truth.

00:16:19.720 All this as a Johns Hopkins University meta analysis of global studies found that lockdown and mask restrictions backed by that guy have had, quote, little to no effect on COVID-19 mortality.

00:16:32.820 But he's not sorry.

00:16:34.920 He's not sorry.

00:16:36.540 No irreparable damage was done.

00:16:38.300 And now, now he's looking forward to his next chapter.

00:16:44.240 As of a year ago, he hoped that next chapter would include billions in funding so he could work on new vaccines.

00:16:52.300 We should pray this guy never gets near another grant or health group again in his life.

00:16:58.320 He has destroyed the trust in public health.

00:17:01.760 His decisions have hurt countless numbers of people.

00:17:04.740 He did it all while posing on magazine covers and celebrating himself and his outsized ego while our kids were muzzled and missed years of school as we all missed funerals and weddings and the chance to say goodbye to loved ones on their deathbeds.

00:17:22.580 And we did indeed suffer irreparable harm, sir, whether you care to admit it or not.

00:17:30.940 Good riddance, Dr. Fauci.

00:17:33.160 You are not truth and you will not be missed.

00:17:36.200 Joining me now, Bethany Mandel.

00:17:43.060 She's editor of the children's book series Heroes of Liberty and a contributing writer at Deseret News and Carol Markowitz, who's a columnist for The New York Post.

00:17:50.880 Both, like me, have been fired up about Fauci for years, in particular because of our children.

00:17:57.300 Bethany, Carol, welcome back to the show.

00:18:00.200 Hi, Megan.

00:18:01.040 Thanks, Megan.

00:18:02.100 Do I have anything wrong?

00:18:03.220 Where did I go wrong?

00:18:04.100 Yeah, I think you hit most of it, if not all of it.

00:18:08.380 I think the only thing I would maybe add to that is that he was also extremely politicized and basically an operator of the Biden administration.

00:18:15.920 He actually pushed for schools to stay closed if the Biden administration, like boondoggle spending bill, didn't get through because he said it just wouldn't be safe without that funding.

00:18:26.400 And now, of course, that funding goes unspent because there's only so much money you can spend on masks and filtration systems that really don't do anything anyway.

00:18:34.100 Mm hmm.

00:18:34.600 Yeah.

00:18:35.180 Well, yeah.

00:18:35.700 What about that, Bethany?

00:18:36.800 Michael Brendan Doherty of National Review had a great line about Fauci not long ago.

00:18:40.720 He said he wrote he launders politics through science.

00:18:44.440 I love that.

00:18:45.240 He is.

00:18:45.760 He's a he is.

00:18:47.040 He's a politics launderer through science.

00:18:49.200 Yeah, he has destroyed so much faith in public health.

00:18:52.960 It will take a generation to re-earn it.

00:18:55.920 And this is what happens when you watch your public health authorities brazenly playing politics and wanting more to get an invite to the Met Gala than than to actually do their jobs.

00:19:07.800 You know, for the first several decades of his career, we had no idea who Anthony Fauci was and we were all better for it.

00:19:13.840 And when he suddenly had the opportunity to be in the spotlight, he basked in his 15 minutes for over 15 months.

00:19:21.480 And we are never going to see in our lifetimes a life that we can trust public health authorities in the CDC and the NIH ever again.

00:19:33.120 And that's going to have ramifications that are both completely foreseeable and terrifyingly unforeseeable in the next few decades.

00:19:43.380 The thing is, Carol, it's like he can sweepingly say no irreparable damage, but we lived it.

00:19:50.260 Right.

00:19:50.500 I mean, we we I'll just spend a minute on the moms because I really think the moms are the reason that they the Democrats finally fell on the absurd mask mandates in the school. 1.00

00:20:01.040 And in some cases, the Vax mandates in school, though, ours still has one Vax mandates right now at our schools, my boys school.

00:20:09.320 They will be expelled when they turn 16 if they don't have the dumbass vaccine that they don't need because they're kids.

00:20:16.680 And this vaccine doesn't prevent the spread of Omicron, which is the dominant variant.

00:20:20.220 So far, we have not recognized the science.

00:20:22.280 We're more in line with Dr. Integrity's view of it all.

00:20:25.420 Right. OK, but the the the damage that was caused to our children, the day to day suffering that he won't do us the courtesy of even nodding to is infuriating.

00:20:36.200 Yeah, I think you should ask your your kids school why they are so anti the CDC, because the CDC now says, of course, that the vaccine is we should treat vaccinated and unvaccinated people the same way, which the three of us were arguing all along.

00:20:51.040 Yeah. Yeah. You know, I think it's going to do damage for a really long time.

00:20:54.880 I think a lot of this is really just playing out right now.

00:20:58.740 You know, we have Dr. Leanna Wen, who is a really severe COVID, you know, crazy person. 1.00

00:21:05.220 I don't know if I can't think of a nicer way to say that.

00:21:07.200 COVIDian. Yeah, for sure. 1.00

00:21:08.920 But you would go on CNN and she would say really insane things like we should, you know, have vaccine passports for domestic travel.

00:21:16.720 And now she sort of reversed herself a little bit and she's gotten mellower and she's getting a ton of hate in the left.

00:21:24.240 But yesterday she posted that her child has a speech delay issue because of due to masking.

00:21:30.260 And which is, you know, listen, we all knew that people were going to come around to that point of view because we know how children operate.

00:21:36.540 We knew what was going to happen. But, you know, Leanna Wen is going to get her kid help. 1.00

00:21:40.500 She's going to get her kid everything that that kid needs.

00:21:42.900 She's going to put him in speech therapy. She's going to get him all the assistance.

00:21:46.300 I think about all the kids who listen to Leanna Wen the whole time that she was super for masking and are not going to get that help.

00:21:53.120 And, you know, I think about all the people that I grew up with in Brooklyn and who just don't have those kinds of resources and don't have enough information to get their kids speech pathology help when, you know, this masking did so much damage to them.

00:22:05.860 And I really hope that she understands that it was her who did this.

00:22:10.600 It was her who forced this onto kids. And I wish all of them would face it and apologize.

00:22:15.300 I'm glad she's coming around a little bit, but there's a long way to go.

00:22:18.700 But there's no mea culpa, right? There's no mea culpa, Bethany, from her, from Fauci, from Walensky, from Collins, from any of them.

00:22:25.620 Yeah, that's exactly right.

00:22:26.520 And what's so infuriating about the speech language pathology and all of those things is that people like Leanna Wen and me who can pay out of pocket for therapy that was unmasked and uninterrupted during COVID, which is what I did.

00:22:41.360 I spent thousands of dollars on different therapies for one of my kids.

00:22:44.320 And because of the guidance, people like Fauci, if not Fauci himself, kids who required this assistance, who were eligible for it from a public standpoint, so, you know, you can go to your county or your state, they're still on Zoom.

00:23:00.460 They're still masked.

00:23:01.420 I would love to see anyone try to do speech therapy with a three-year-old or a five-year-old on Zoom.

00:23:07.560 It's just not a thing that you can do.

00:23:09.820 And because of people like Fauci and everything that he advocated, kids are still suffering.

00:23:16.340 Megan, you talked about how your school still has a vaccine mandate.

00:23:19.340 My local Jewish school still has, several of them still have vaccine mandates.

00:23:23.100 So even if I wanted to send my kids to those schools, I couldn't if I wouldn't vaccinate them.

00:23:27.560 And I had to pull my kids out of summer camp two weeks ago because they were mandatory masking. 1.00

00:23:34.240 Not, it was in a park.

00:23:36.120 It was in a county and in a park that no longer have mask mandates.

00:23:41.980 But they decided that the kids and only the kids in the summer camps had a mask mandate.

00:23:47.960 So I would love to see a mea culpa, but I would also love to see people like Fauci and Leanna Nguyen and all of these public health COVIDians step up and say,

00:23:56.860 y'all, it's time to roll it back.

00:23:59.080 We don't need to be living in 2020 anymore.

00:24:01.000 And until these people stand up and tell these extremists to stand down, our kids are still going to be suffering.

00:24:09.420 Yeah, I'll say at our school.

00:24:11.120 So my children, my boys are only 12 and 9, so they don't have to have it yet.

00:24:16.060 But they can't go on field trips.

00:24:18.040 They can't do certain sports.

00:24:19.780 They can't do a bunch of things if they don't get the vaccine, even at this age, which is ridiculous.

00:24:24.600 I mean, we have spent our summer right in the face of every other child in town, indoors, outdoors, as has almost all of America.

00:24:32.940 And now we're going to go back to school and they can't go on a field trip.

00:24:37.200 Why?

00:24:37.380 Because they're going to sit on a bus, the same bus that's going to take them to school in the morning with the same kids where they don't have to wear a mask, where they don't have to be vaccinated.

00:24:44.620 But then when they go on the field trip bus, they can't do it.

00:24:47.360 I mean, this is absurd, right?

00:24:48.740 They're holding on to the, they're clinging to Dr. Truth and his edicts, even as you point out, the CDC has quietly moved away from the very things.

00:24:56.760 But that's, that's the thing.

00:24:57.860 They've quietly done so.

00:24:59.420 And it's time for them to stand up and say what the, the prime minister, gosh, what country was it?

00:25:05.940 It was Singapore.

00:25:07.120 He recently, yeah, he recently stood up and said, the masks in schools have to come off.

00:25:12.780 We cannot, we cannot keep on telling people, well, it's optional, it's recommended, yada, yada.

00:25:18.160 We have to be really honest about the costs of masking and the fact that it's time for this stuff to stop or they're never going to stop.

00:25:27.900 The vaccine mandates are never going to go away.

00:25:30.220 The on and off masking in blue areas of this country are never going to go away.

00:25:33.940 And I know that you have listeners who live in normal America, like where Carol lives in Florida, where she lives now, where she lives now, what are you talking about?

00:25:42.620 She fled New York for these reasons.

00:25:44.620 But in blue America, where I reside, this is still going on in August of 2022.

00:25:51.460 I had to fight to get a refund because my children on the first day of camp, they told them they had to mask.

00:26:00.900 And I said, absolutely not.

00:26:02.400 And they were flabbergasted that I could possibly object to them spending six hours a day inside at a music camp masked.

00:26:12.960 And they said, well, the consolation is we're not requiring the vaccine.

00:26:16.260 And I said, well, of course you're not, but that's not a consolation to these people because they're lunatics.

00:26:22.880 And they are the ones who have the thank you, Anthony Fauci lawn signs on their front lawn.

00:26:27.860 I swear to you people, I live in Montgomery County, Maryland, where this man resides.

00:26:32.600 They exist.

00:26:33.600 I see them on my way to Trader Joe's.

00:26:35.660 Oh, my God.

00:26:36.860 The biggest one is posted right outside of his own house.

00:26:40.880 Probably.

00:26:41.720 With a picture of his Vanity Fair cover on it, too.

00:26:44.260 Right, exactly.

00:26:44.920 Or the one where he's like a poolside.

00:26:46.780 Was that the Vanity Fair?

00:26:47.360 Whatever that one that was.

00:26:48.740 In style.

00:26:49.000 That was not any fair.

00:26:49.940 Absurd.

00:26:50.420 But it's not about me.

00:26:51.500 I don't I don't like to brag.

00:26:54.700 The this reminds me, my friend who she's one of those people.

00:27:00.480 She campaigned for Joe Biden.

00:27:02.860 She has been so exasperated by what's happened to her children in the New York City schools, public schools, which were locked for almost two years.

00:27:10.160 And the restrictions were absolutely unbearable that she's now a registered Republican.

00:27:15.500 I mean, she went from campaigning to now she's a registered Republican.

00:27:19.220 I mean, talk about being red pilled.

00:27:20.400 She's not the only one I know like this.

00:27:21.840 And she forwarded me this video that was absolutely heartbreaking.

00:27:26.800 It's on YouTube right now.

00:27:28.000 It's publicly posted.

00:27:30.460 Robert Livingston is the child.

00:27:33.140 He is a child who was living in Harlem with his mom.

00:27:37.000 And the video, it's about six or seven minutes long.

00:27:39.180 It talks about how, you know, you want to keep kids out of trouble in the inner city.

00:27:43.940 I mean, it's certainly in the five boroughs of New York, you can get into trouble if you don't have much to do.

00:27:48.380 That's one of the many reasons why closing the schools was not a great idea.

00:27:51.700 But closing sports programs was particularly not a good idea.

00:27:55.400 And they talk in this video about how you want to keep a gun out of the hand of a kid.

00:27:59.620 Put a ball in those hands. 0.92

00:28:01.580 Make it a baseball.

00:28:02.460 Make it a football.

00:28:03.100 Make it a basketball.

00:28:03.720 But you don't just leave kids who are subjected to high crime areas idle with nothing to do, with no school, and with no pastimes, none of their favorite pastimes.

00:28:17.080 And this mother is very open about what happened to her kid who was no longer able to play basketball and her frustrations about the whole situation.

00:28:24.680 We've cut a little clip.

00:28:26.160 Watch.

00:28:27.920 They shut down the park.

00:28:29.460 They closed the parks for the kids to play.

00:28:32.660 And then they took the rims off the hoops, which was crazy.

00:28:37.900 Seventh grade happened.

00:28:39.400 Same thing.

00:28:40.340 He was going in, but it wasn't consistent.

00:28:42.940 And there was no sports at all.

00:28:44.440 So when the eighth grade came, everything opened back up.

00:28:47.460 Mom, I'm getting on this team.

00:28:49.160 I want to play.

00:28:50.260 I'm going to fight for this.

00:28:51.220 I'm going to do this.

00:28:52.180 So come September, he was on it.

00:28:54.640 I locked in.

00:28:55.560 I was just like, I was like so locked in into this one thing.

00:28:58.660 I didn't care.

00:28:59.280 My focus was just in basketball.

00:29:01.020 I don't care how cold it was.

00:29:02.660 I just played, played, played.

00:29:04.160 Even when I used to sneak up on him, he's on the courts playing basketball.

00:29:08.380 Tryouts came.

00:29:09.200 I'm excited.

00:29:09.800 Like, yes, son, yes, son, yes.

00:29:11.200 I'm rooting for him.

00:29:12.140 It was me and my other two friends.

00:29:14.120 And we just, we all made it.

00:29:15.440 And we were so happy.

00:29:16.420 It was like, bro, this is like the first time.

00:29:18.580 It was like, it was so cool.

00:29:19.640 But meanwhile, we're listening to the news.

00:29:21.140 And they're telling us there may be some man that's like a thousand feet tall.

00:29:26.320 And then this vaccine was bringing him all the way down.

00:29:29.680 And I really didn't want to go back to school.

00:29:31.940 Even now, like listening to him is like making me tear up because I could kind of go back into

00:29:37.540 that moment where I saw my son like happy.

00:29:42.400 Mom, I got on the team.

00:29:44.280 Mom, I did this.

00:29:45.720 Mom, I'm going to the, you know, he was so excited.

00:29:47.980 I did drills.

00:29:48.520 I was going here.

00:29:49.220 I was going there.

00:29:49.840 I was on the courts.

00:29:50.640 I was like the excitement.

00:29:52.040 I just shut down.

00:29:53.240 Like my whole body just shut down.

00:29:55.340 I didn't know what to do.

00:29:56.720 He couldn't play because there was a vaccine mandate to play the sports.

00:30:00.960 And they wouldn't let him on after two years of benching him, of not letting him practice,

00:30:06.060 of removing the rims from the basketball courts in the public arena.

00:30:10.940 Finally, he tries out.

00:30:12.460 He makes it getting himself back in shape, getting himself back up to snuff.

00:30:16.200 And they say, not unless you stick yourself with this mandatory vaccine,

00:30:19.980 which will do nothing for this.

00:30:21.840 It will be do nothing for him.

00:30:23.300 And they they move to West Virginia.

00:30:26.320 That's how the video ends.

00:30:27.600 She moved.

00:30:28.180 She was forced to leave Harlem, move to West Virginia, a freer, redder state. 0.86

00:30:33.040 But this is not the choice that parents should have to make.

00:30:37.120 Or it can make necessarily.

00:30:39.020 Yeah, right.

00:30:40.220 I would absolutely say that, like, I think that the moving I know I know it's I know it's

00:30:45.360 so hard.

00:30:45.860 I mean, it's been really hard for us.

00:30:47.160 I don't ever want to pretend that like, oh, we just one day woke up and moved to another

00:30:50.520 state and that was totally easy.

00:30:51.900 We left behind family that we're very close with.

00:30:54.280 We you know, a lot of transition.

00:30:55.980 My kids had to switch schools twice, like just a lot.

00:30:58.780 And I get that that's not for everyone.

00:31:00.480 But you can't trust these places anymore.

00:31:02.860 I don't understand how you can live somewhere anymore that you just you can't rely on them

00:31:07.840 to deliver basic things to you like school.

00:31:10.540 And so that lack of trust for me, I just I wake up happy every day in Florida.

00:31:15.280 I really highly recommend it to you both, especially, you know, we hope we will we welcome you with

00:31:20.580 open arms.

00:31:21.480 But it really is such a different perspective on I'm not worried about a random masking thing

00:31:27.720 or a random, you know, a vaccine mandate at some after school, whatever.

00:31:33.080 It just is not part of my calculation anymore at all.

00:31:36.200 And so freeing and so wonderful.

00:31:38.200 And I do continue to fight for it in places that have it.

00:31:41.740 But it just if you can make a move to somewhere freer and saner while your kids are young, I

00:31:47.500 recommend it highly.

00:31:50.360 It's so hard.

00:31:51.540 You know, I will tell you, we obviously moved out of New York City and we looked at other

00:31:56.720 possibilities very hard.

00:31:57.940 You know, everybody's moving to Nashville.

00:31:59.320 Everybody's looking for Florida.

00:32:01.080 But for me, it just it wasn't going to work because my mom, Doug's mom, they're both old

00:32:06.600 older.

00:32:07.840 They need us.

00:32:08.900 They're in the Northeast. 0.52

00:32:10.140 All of my family, all of his family, you know, all of our friends.

00:32:13.360 They're all here.

00:32:14.540 We don't.

00:32:15.580 It's not worth it.

00:32:16.560 You know, it's like I'd rather fight.

00:32:18.760 And we did get out of the most extreme setting, which was New York City and move to a place

00:32:23.320 that's a little bit more fair and balanced.

00:32:25.160 But it's not going to be like Florida.

00:32:27.520 So for us, this is a compromise that made the most sense.

00:32:30.600 But I don't know.

00:32:31.840 Sometimes I think, Carol, and I hear these stories that maybe there's a reason.

00:32:35.480 Maybe there is a reason.

00:32:36.380 You know, our schools are not nuts on the social engineering stuff.

00:32:39.760 That was one of the things that we were fleeing in New York, but they are pretty nuts on the

00:32:43.600 COVID stuff.

00:32:44.200 So maybe I'm there, you know, to give voice to the other parents who are afraid to say

00:32:48.160 things.

00:32:48.520 Maybe I'm there to fight the fight that needs fighting.

00:32:50.720 Right.

00:32:51.640 Yeah, you are.

00:32:52.860 See where it goes.

00:32:54.060 You know, I guess I have an insight because I am immersed in blue America like Bethany 0.74

00:32:59.600 that I wouldn't otherwise have if I freed myself from these weird restrictions and the horrors

00:33:06.620 of Dr. Fauci's truth.

00:33:09.020 Stand by, guys, gals.

00:33:10.460 We're coming right back.

00:33:11.280 Much to discuss, including both women are fired up about this student debt forgiveness

00:33:17.320 program, which is a lie.

00:33:18.800 It's like Inflation Reduction Act.

00:33:20.100 It's not forgiveness.

00:33:21.200 OK, it's transfer of their debt to you.

00:33:24.040 Stand by for much, much more with Bethany and Carol.

00:33:31.840 Another minute on Fauci, if you don't mind.

00:33:34.080 Many now are calling for an investigation of Dr. Fauci and his recommendations and how

00:33:39.900 he handled this whole thing, because it was politicized.

00:33:43.160 And if we believe these were good faith errors made by a faithful public servant, those calls

00:33:47.780 would not be there.

00:33:49.200 He's in a different category, as some of these unearthed documents prove.

00:33:52.880 He's an operator behind the scene, actively working to destroy anybody who questioned him

00:33:57.660 and publicly recommending policies that made no sense, but certainly served to cover up his

00:34:02.560 own wrongdoing.

00:34:03.820 So I agree there needs to be an investigation.

00:34:07.520 Back to Michael Brendan Doherty, who I really enjoy over at Michael at National Review.

00:34:11.740 He comes out and says, points out these two disparities between Fauci's, what he actually

00:34:17.220 did and what he's now saying.

00:34:19.280 OK, because now he's feeling some heat, right, because it looks like Republicans are going to

00:34:22.960 win the House.

00:34:24.380 The polls aren't very good for the GOP right now, but I think they'll still win the House

00:34:27.860 comfortably.

00:34:28.380 And he points out that Fauci, in an interview with the Hill's Bhatia Anghar Sargon, he said,

00:34:35.400 quote, I didn't recommend locking anything down.

00:34:39.200 I have always felt, and go back and look at my statements, that we need to do everything

00:34:43.420 we can to keep the schools open and safe.

00:34:46.280 OK, so he denies being pro-lockdown and he denies being pro-school closure.

00:34:52.360 So Noah Rothman of Commentary goes over and takes a look and does the homework and finds

00:34:57.360 this quote from Fauci to reporters' previous quote.

00:35:01.800 When it became clear that we had community spread in the country, and he goes on, I recommended

00:35:08.000 to the president that we shut the country down.

00:35:11.040 Sounds like something else that rhymes with down, lockdown.

00:35:16.040 I was trying to find something else, but I could only come up with an R-rated word.

00:35:18.380 Not only that, but he urged against any school reopenings in the 2020 calendar year.

00:35:26.640 So all along, he lies.

00:35:29.300 He lies with impunity.

00:35:30.600 He tells us not to believe our lying eyes.

00:35:32.680 When he gets confronted on it by people like Rand Paul, he plays the victim.

00:35:36.460 And now he's saying, with respect to congressional investigations of him, he sounds like he's

00:35:42.980 been invited to afternoon tea at one of our houses.

00:35:46.260 I will consider it.

00:35:47.920 I'll consider it.

00:35:48.920 You know, only if it's oversight, because what I experienced was personal attacks.

00:35:53.760 I will go if it's true.

00:35:55.740 Fuck you, Dr. Fauci. 0.77

00:35:57.260 You don't get to say whether you go.

00:35:58.740 You get a congressional subpoena.

00:36:00.220 You show up or you get the Steve Bannon treatment.

00:36:02.480 See how you like that.

00:36:03.880 Yeah.

00:36:04.060 Did we know we can curse on this show?

00:36:05.480 I feel like I had a lot of curse words for him.

00:36:09.100 No, you know, you're absolutely right.

00:36:11.220 And, you know, it's funny about back to politicizing and also the fact that he did not want schools

00:36:16.020 to open in 2020.

00:36:17.400 At the end of November 2020, when it was clear that Biden was going to become the next president,

00:36:23.180 he suddenly shifted.

00:36:24.520 He shifted to saying, we need to close the bars, but open the schools. 0.98

00:36:28.040 And that was really the first time that he was adamant that schools need to open.

00:36:32.600 And now, of course, he wanted to shut something else for some reason because of it.

00:36:35.740 But it had nothing to do with, you know, it had everything to do with who was president.

00:36:39.920 If Donald Trump was president, schools can't open.

00:36:42.020 But now if Biden's going to be president, that's very different.

00:36:44.200 And so, yeah, I think he's just the worst of that and absolutely just, you know, needs to exit stage left.

00:36:51.700 But he does need to be investigated.

00:36:53.320 We need to find out what happened.

00:36:55.140 We need to never repeat these mistakes again.

00:36:57.160 And, you know, I'm a very mild-mannered kind of even-keeled person.

00:37:00.740 But we need to argue that the CDC needs to be disbanded.

00:37:03.960 This organization did so much damage.

00:37:06.260 They can't just continue to function.

00:37:07.960 They can't say, oh, we're going to reorganize a little bit.

00:37:10.060 We're going to get more funding and get more power somehow.

00:37:12.460 And that will be our punishment for all that we've done wrong.

00:37:15.300 But they need to be disbanded.

00:37:16.660 And we need to start fresh and new.

00:37:18.980 We're mad, you know, at least half the country's mad, about the raid at Mar-a-Lago

00:37:23.060 and how that went down after the distrust that's been sown in federal law enforcement agencies like the FBI, the DOJ.

00:37:29.620 Okay, so that was disturbing and kind of rattling in terms of its political nature.

00:37:34.580 This, the COVID response, what these guys did, killed millions of people.

00:37:38.320 It was responsible for millions of deaths and not to mention the ongoing despair that many people are suffering.

00:37:44.460 It's not entirely Anthony Fauci's fault.

00:37:47.420 No one's suggesting that.

00:37:48.860 But he was wrong in the policies he recommended.

00:37:51.220 He mocked places like Sweden, which had a much lower per capita death rate than we did.

00:37:56.580 And and yet all he wants now is to be celebrated.

00:38:00.800 And of course, Bethany, a compliant media is only too happy to do that for him.

00:38:04.920 The goodbye, the swan song, you know, musings of people in the media and top Democrats has been stomach turning.

00:38:11.560 I'll just give you a few for fun.

00:38:13.600 White House Chief of Staff Ron Klain.

00:38:15.140 I cannot think of a public servant who has done as much to save as many lives for as long a period as Dr.

00:38:19.820 Tony Fauci and he is a gem of a person.

00:38:23.340 David Axelrod.

00:38:25.020 Over five decades, Fauci has helped save millions of lives that and not the shameful political targeting of him for doing his job should be his legacy.

00:38:36.260 Then there's Dan Rather.

00:38:37.900 Dr. Fauci, thank you for your service.

00:38:40.320 Please ignore the haters.

00:38:41.560 The haters have very good reason, Dan, for their for their antipathy towards this guy.

00:38:48.660 And maybe if you were under 200, you would understand the ire of people like us, young mothers who have little ones to look out for, who unfortunately have been well too controlled by Fauci and Walensky.

00:39:01.880 The haters were right. 0.99

00:39:04.140 Go ahead, Beth.

00:39:04.760 Yeah, no, no, absolutely.

00:39:06.020 I mean, I disagree a little bit.

00:39:08.000 I am afraid of a witch hunt with what he recommended and all. 0.92

00:39:11.760 I think that that goes down a road that leads to what happened at Mar-a-Lago.

00:39:16.340 I think that, you know, people don't like him and we don't it doesn't necessarily help us to focus on our grievances, which are just and righteous and very fiery, even two and a half years later.

00:39:29.380 But I do think that there should be an investigation about his involvement in gain of function.

00:39:33.900 I think where it where it dips into the realm of of responsibility and causality and that is something that should be investigated, because if we want to prevent another covid-19, we have to get to the bottom of how this happened.

00:39:50.540 And the lack of curiosity on the part of a very compliant media is astounding to me.

00:39:56.340 Two and a half years later, after this virus that has turned every single human being's life upside down, there is not constant and a drumbeat of questions.

00:40:06.980 How did this happen?

00:40:08.020 How do we prevent it from happening again?

00:40:10.160 We're just accepting this weird story about eating bats in a market.

00:40:16.080 And it happened to be in the state like not it all beggars absolute belief that we're still pretending that all of this is not related, that it happened in Wuhan.

00:40:27.040 I would like to see under the next Republican House and the next Republican White House a real serious investigation, including Anthony Fauci, of where this happened, where this happened, where it originated and who is responsible for it.

00:40:44.160 And, you know, given the evidence that we have now, it's not look that question is not looking great for Anthony Fauci.

00:40:50.860 You know, that bit about them refunding, I mean, again, funding EcoHealth Alliance.

00:40:57.940 I got that from Josh Rogan, who posted the document.

00:41:00.380 Yes.

00:41:00.760 So great.

00:41:01.440 He's been so great on this.

00:41:02.660 He's the anomaly over at The Washington Post, willing to push back on these narratives.

00:41:06.800 And his book was great.

00:41:07.600 He's been on the show many times.

00:41:08.400 But yeah, he's the one watching them.

00:41:10.720 And he saw that we just approved another grant to EcoHealth Alliance.

00:41:14.780 The ones who the NIH say were lying to them because it was doing gain-of-function research.

00:41:20.800 Now, the NIH later said, well, you know, it's just they didn't mean to do it.

00:41:24.060 It just kind of was this unexpected result of their weird experiments on bats.

00:41:30.020 So that's why, you know, it's not so bad.

00:41:32.160 But Peter Daszak hasn't been held accountable.

00:41:34.260 This guy went on to lead the WHO group looking into the cause of coronavirus.

00:41:39.640 He was in the 60 Minutes piece as like the point person.

00:41:43.320 And thank God, even 60 Minutes was like, what the hell are you doing leading this?

00:41:47.580 Anyway, let me shift gears because we only have a couple of minutes left.

00:41:50.040 And I want to talk to you about student debt.

00:41:52.860 OK, Biden's about to make an announcement within the next hour, we're told now, on debt forgiveness.

00:41:59.500 Again, it's a lie.

00:42:00.260 The reported plan, according to Politico, and we'll know for sure soon, is up to $20,000 of debt, quote, canceled for Pell Grant recipients, up to $10,000 for most other non-Pell borrowers.

00:42:15.420 All relief would be limited to individuals earning under $125,000 or families earning less than $250,000.

00:42:22.600 And the payment, the repayment of your loans pause is extended, going to be extended through the end of this year.

00:42:31.000 I'm 100 percent against this.

00:42:32.900 I think it rewards people who didn't do the right thing for whatever reason.

00:42:37.900 Those of us who paid our loans, even though it may not have been easy, get screwed.

00:42:41.920 People who made the responsible decision not to go to college because they realized they might not be able to repay.

00:42:46.280 They get screwed.

00:42:47.120 Now they have to pay back the loans of these people who have these advanced degrees and get to sit on their couch.

00:42:51.320 Making some trucker pay for it.

00:42:53.000 Bullshit.

00:42:53.780 Bullshit.

00:42:54.940 Bullshit.

00:42:55.860 Yeah.

00:42:56.200 You know, what really pisses me off here, and I hope the Republicans take the opportunity and do what the Democrats do by renaming this bill.

00:43:04.460 It's a wealth transfer bill.

00:43:06.040 Like, you know, when when the education bills passed in Florida, Democrats just called it the don't say gay bill.

00:43:11.780 And that became the name.

00:43:12.820 I think Republicans need to do a similar thing.

00:43:14.960 I don't want to hear a single one of them refer to this bill by its actual name.

00:43:18.280 This is a wealth transfer bill.

00:43:19.600 But what really makes me angry about it is that it will not fix any of the underlying problems of the student loan process.

00:43:26.220 And in a couple of years, we're going to be right back to this very same place where the loan numbers are going to be astronomical.

00:43:32.440 These people are really underwater on their loans because these degrees are not worth anything.

00:43:36.960 And so we keep coming back to this point.

00:43:39.360 You know, we do it with housing and now we're doing it with college degrees.

00:43:42.060 We cannot fix this unless we actually get to the root of the problem.

00:43:45.900 And the root of the problem is we cannot be handing out these loans to just anybody going to college for any reason.

00:43:51.520 Period.

00:43:52.020 End of story.

00:43:53.400 Bethany.

00:43:53.680 Yeah, and it's I mean, for Republicans, it's a gift because there's so many people like like me who sacrificed an ideal college experience for a college experience that would incur as little debt as possible.

00:44:09.680 I worked over 40 hours a week at two different jobs to get myself through college.

00:44:14.140 I paid more than the minimum to get my loans paid off responsibly.

00:44:19.100 High interest first and then the rest of the Pell Grants, you know, later on.

00:44:24.180 It's a slap in the face to me and it's a slap in the face to most Americans.

00:44:28.540 Only 37 percent of Americans have four year degrees.

00:44:33.240 Only 13 percent of Americans have graduate degrees.

00:44:36.300 And over half of the student loan debt is held by people with graduate degrees.

00:44:40.460 So we are we are having the vast majority of Americans who did not go to college and who did not go to graduate school paying for graduate school loans of their neighbors.

00:44:52.220 And so I've seen this meme going around and Republicans should just keep on beating the drum.

00:44:58.640 Your plumber is playing for your lawyer's law school debt.

00:45:01.800 That is what's happening.

00:45:02.960 And the difference between education debt and any other kind of debt is that, you know, if your house goes under, you lose it.

00:45:10.660 You cannot lose your college degree.

00:45:12.560 You cannot lose your law degree.

00:45:14.240 These are non-transferable.

00:45:15.760 And that's not to say that there are no solutions to this debt crisis.

00:45:18.560 I think that we could talk about interest rate reduction.

00:45:21.620 We could talk about lots of different, you know, debt relief programs that could hold schools responsible for handing out the loans instead of students.

00:45:32.440 So many different solutions.

00:45:34.880 And what the Biden administration has chosen to do is hand out money from Americans like us to Americans who irresponsibly took out debt.

00:45:44.700 And they're going to be right back where they started again, like Carol said, in 10 years.

00:45:49.540 And by the way, Carol, two hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

00:45:52.800 Why should the plumber have to pay off somebody who's making two hundred fifty?

00:45:56.000 Why should you have to pay off their debt?

00:45:57.320 Right. Yeah. It's really wild to me that this is the path that the Democrats are taking.

00:46:02.400 They're literally saying that their their demographic, their voter base is very rich people who don't pay their loans.

00:46:09.060 Like that's literally they're giving this money gift to their to their fans, to their base.

00:46:15.220 And I don't know. I think that the handing out cash before an election is generally maybe something that shouldn't be allowed.

00:46:21.740 But, you know, the Biden administration has done it in so many different ways at this point that I don't even know when we would cut off that money spigot for them.

00:46:28.260 And it's also just like the idea that, you know, we're in a time of inflation crisis and this is happening like not everybody.

00:46:35.220 You know, a lot of people are going to see that ten thousand dollars and go buy a new car and go buy, you know, new appliances or whatever.

00:46:40.880 This happens. So a terrible idea.

00:46:44.200 I hope the voters punish them for it.

00:46:45.780 And I hope Republicans really run on this and make sure to do the right thing here.

00:46:51.520 And of course, what's going to happen is all these colleges are going to raise their tuitions by ten thousand dollars.

00:46:55.500 Of course. I mean, it's like, yeah, you can take it to the bank.

00:46:58.340 That's how it works. Bethany and Carol, always a pleasure, ladies.

00:47:01.920 Thanks for coming on. Thank you, Megan. Thank you.

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00:47:34.020 Another Megan, Megan Markle, is back in the news today with the debut of her podcast, Archetypes.

00:47:40.660 In the first episode, she's joined by Serena Williams to discuss the misconceptions of ambition.

00:47:47.920 Is there anything you would like to listen to less?

00:47:50.700 We had to have my pal Dan Wooten back on to discuss this.

00:47:54.780 He is the host of GB News's Dan Wooten tonight and a Daily Mail columnist.

00:48:00.060 And so, Dan, the much awaited twenty five million dollar podcast girl with Spotify.

00:48:06.340 This is what we're going to get a little victim fest on me, a woman and people don't like my ambition. 0.99

00:48:13.360 Oh, Megan, it was bad.

00:48:18.640 I mean, look, I'm not going to lie.

00:48:20.840 I thought it was going to be bad.

00:48:22.920 It was really bad.

00:48:25.220 And what is most fascinating, I think, about this hour of victimhood from Megan and Serena is that it actually just shows that these are two of the most out of touch women in the world.

00:48:39.060 Yeah. Yes. Oh, my gosh.

00:48:41.460 The amount of privilege dripping off of these two women who still want to play the gender card, the race card, sit around and wallow in how they've been unfairly treated. 1.00

00:48:52.380 All right. Here's just an example.

00:48:55.780 This is where they're talking about Megan shares her middle school story about how Immaculate Heart taught her this feminist ideology, which has trickled down into nearly every aspect of her education. 0.69

00:49:08.660 Here's her. And by the way, most of the podcast is Megan Markle talking about herself.

00:49:12.760 Serena is just there as window dressing. 0.70

00:49:14.380 Here it is.

00:49:14.900 This message to me and my classmates was clear.

00:49:18.320 Our futures as young women were limitless.

00:49:23.340 Ambition?

00:49:24.580 Well, that was the whole point.

00:49:27.180 So I don't ever remember personally feeling the negative connotation behind the word ambitious until I started dating my now husband.

00:49:36.520 And apparently ambition is a terrible, terrible thing for a woman, that is, according to some. 1.00

00:49:47.940 So since I felt the negativity behind it, it's really hard to unfeel it.

00:49:53.360 I can't unsee it either in the millions of girls and women who make themselves smaller, so much smaller on a regular basis.

00:50:05.380 Oh, my God, Dan.

00:50:06.520 Everything she says is an attempted but failed profundity.

00:50:12.700 I just feel like I'm sitting in a Southern Californian coffee shop with two rich wives moaning about how terrible their lives are while about to walk back to their 20 million pound matches. 0.90

00:50:24.780 Of course, that is what we're dealing with when it comes to Serena and Megan.

00:50:30.380 But you are right.

00:50:31.140 Megan is that friend who always wants to steal the thunder.

00:50:37.100 You know, you have that sort of conversation.

00:50:39.080 You say, oh, my goodness, you're not going to believe what happened to me today.

00:50:42.380 Wanting to have a little bit of empathy, a little bit of sympathy.

00:50:44.720 And Megan Markle says, oh, my goodness, it happened to me, but it was much worse.

00:50:50.400 And I dealt with it much better, Serena.

00:50:52.580 There were literally moments, Megan, when Serena manages to utter about five words out of her mouth before Megan steps in.

00:50:59.880 And she also has this very bizarre thing, given she is a princess. 0.52

00:51:03.620 And you'd imagine most of the world knows by now that she's pretty damn famous just to prove to everyone how good friends she is with Serena Williams. 0.98

00:51:13.540 This is my dear friend.

00:51:14.840 And she told me she was evolving out of tense because, of course, she didn't retire, did she, Megan, even though that is exactly what she did do.

00:51:23.860 And so the whole nearly hour long conversation is about as far removed, I think, from day to day life for most people in the world at the moment.

00:51:34.260 Because let's be honest, things are pretty tough around the world.

00:51:37.740 And these are two of the most privileged people in the world showing off their victimhood and talking a whole load of Southern Californian mumbo jumbo.

00:51:50.420 And remember, Spotify, which has waited nearly two years for this podcast, has paid millions and millions of dollars for the privilege.

00:51:59.640 What a joke.

00:52:01.300 Meanwhile, what is she talking about her ambition?

00:52:04.180 A, I see no evidence of her ambition other than to marry well and become a princess.

00:52:09.820 B, I think she's misunderstanding our true sentiments, our recoiling in response to her wokeness while she sits in a palace for something else, for some sort of feminist complaint.

00:52:23.860 Right.

00:52:24.080 It's like the only ambition I've seen from Meghan Markle is to marry a prince, which hashtag nailed it.

00:52:30.860 OK, you got it, girl.

00:52:32.200 People haven't been like, she's so ambitious.

00:52:33.720 She's a climber.

00:52:35.080 We all know that.

00:52:36.300 That's clear.

00:52:37.320 No one's ripping on her like, oh, she wants she wants, you know, to become a world leader. 1.00

00:52:43.720 And we object to a woman wanting this stuff. 1.00

00:52:46.340 Right.

00:52:46.480 Like, that's not happening.

00:52:47.340 I don't know where this complaint comes from on her behalf.

00:52:51.220 No, indeed.

00:52:52.100 And actually, Megan, when you actually look at the history of Ms. Markle, it's not really about professional ambition.

00:53:00.740 It's about financial ambition.

00:53:03.200 And it is about ambition on the social pecking order.

00:53:06.360 Now, I actually make no judgment of that.

00:53:10.120 But, you know, I was one of the reporters who broke a lot of stories around Meghan, including Megxit, when her and Harry decided to quit the royal family.

00:53:19.260 So I know a lot about this woman.

00:53:20.860 I know about her background.

00:53:22.240 And what you've got to remember, because this is really still a very untold part of her story, before she met Prince Harry and she was an actress in this drama suit.

00:53:33.140 So, yeah, she was doing well, but she wasn't where she wanted to be.

00:53:36.360 She wasn't on the A-list.

00:53:37.920 She actually decided she set out to find a British man.

00:53:42.620 She had decided that she could become much more famous if she set herself up with a celebrity in the UK.

00:53:49.020 And actually, the celebrities who she was chasing down before she met Prince Harry are probably folk you haven't even heard of, Megan.

00:53:54.800 It was a guy called Matt Cardle who won the talent show The X Factor over here.

00:53:59.540 It was a lovely guy called Max George who's a member of the boy band The Wanted.

00:54:03.480 And it was also a footballer called Ashley Cole.

00:54:06.300 And she pursued all three of these men who, in their own various ways, rejected her at Francis.

00:54:12.620 And so she just happened to hit the jackpot when it came to Prince Harry.

00:54:16.940 Now, look, that's fine.

00:54:18.440 She was a divorcee. 1.00

00:54:19.540 She came to the UK.

00:54:21.120 She wanted to meet a famous bloke.

00:54:23.340 Absolutely fine.

00:54:25.160 But is that really ambition?

00:54:27.440 I don't know.

00:54:28.200 And I think it's a complete rewriting of history to say the reason that the British public turned against Meghan Markle was because of her ambition. 0.63

00:54:37.320 It was because of the callous and manipulating way that she treated the Queen and trashed the royal family and claimed that there was a whole load of racists through the country who didn't accept her as a princess, which is just point blank untrue. 0.86

00:54:55.220 Right.

00:54:55.800 That's exactly right.

00:54:56.840 Like, I don't even know what she's talking about.

00:54:59.020 We've read a lot of the criticism of Meghan Markle and participated in some of it.

00:55:04.180 It's never been about her ambition.

00:55:06.260 Yes, it's absurd if she thinks she's going to be president of the United States.

00:55:09.640 But I'm not criticizing her ambition in my belief that that's not going to happen.

00:55:13.960 And I'm criticizing her lack of experience and intelligence.

00:55:18.220 She doesn't seem particularly gifted in either department, and she should have no role anywhere near the Oval Office unless she's willing to go out and work for it.

00:55:25.800 She actually needs to get a lot better experienced and better informed based on what she and her husband have said about things like our First Amendment and so on.

00:55:33.080 They've got some work to do.

00:55:34.200 So she, as you point out, the two, you know, incredibly privileged women decided to take this opportunity, which they knew everybody would be listening to, to complain about their lives and how hard they've had it and, you know, how bad it's been for Serena on the court.

00:55:48.100 I mean, good God, could there have been any more Serena Williams covers on every magazine, not to mention Meghan Markle?

00:55:53.280 Like, could you please?

00:55:55.040 So here they are talking about the U.S. Open and Serena talking about her bad experiences in New York.

00:56:02.060 The U.S. Open is in New York City.

00:56:04.200 In reference to this, to the U.S. Open, and they discuss her 2004 U.S. Open quarterfinals match.

00:56:10.480 Listen.

00:56:12.460 At the Open, it's been, you know, it's been hard, and I know a lot of people have seen it, and it's just, what is it bad luck?

00:56:18.180 But hold on a second.

00:56:18.460 I don't know.

00:56:19.160 Unless you want, can I jump in there?

00:56:21.100 Because there are certain things that I know you won't want to say about your experience, but I lived through a lot of that with you.

00:56:28.900 Yeah, but there are some experience I didn't deserve at all.

00:56:32.240 Oh my gosh, of course.

00:56:33.360 You were treated completely unfairly.

00:56:35.320 It just wasn't one thing.

00:56:37.020 I'm telling you, the reason that I have trauma from it is because it's been five things or more.

00:56:42.100 I know.

00:56:42.400 The first being the reason Hawkeye became like a thing was because they were calling my balls out, and they weren't even close to the line.

00:56:50.440 Okay.

00:56:51.440 Okay.

00:56:52.440 So what is Serena Williams worth?

00:56:56.620 A billion dollars?

00:56:57.620 She made $45 million in 2021 alone.

00:57:00.400 Okay.

00:57:00.840 So she's probably worth a billion dollars, her endorsements and so on. 1.00

00:57:03.880 And she's upset because they called some balls out when they weren't, which, by the way, she complained about at the time, and they later apologized.

00:57:11.340 What this has to do with her gender, I don't know.

00:57:12.800 This happens to every professional tennis player.

00:57:15.400 Bad calls are made in sports all the time.

00:57:17.620 I don't.

00:57:18.140 What is the evidence that had to do with the fact that she was a woman, right?

00:57:21.960 But for her to sit here, like, she has trauma because of her experience in U.S. tennis.

00:57:26.840 She's literally one of the most famous women and richest women in the world because of her experience there.

00:57:32.560 How on earth do we get to the point where this princess and this princess of tennis are sitting there asking us to feel sorry for them? 1.00

00:57:39.080 I agree, Megan, but I thought that conversation was actually so telling.

00:57:45.780 It was a window into the world of why these two women so often misread the public mood, because what are they doing there? 1.00

00:57:55.660 They are embracing each other's victimhood.

00:58:00.220 It is the commoditization of victimhood.

00:58:03.660 It is the commercialization of victimhood.

00:58:06.000 Because, of course, if you criticize Meghan Markle or you criticize Serena Williams or you disagree with something that they've done, it's nothing to do with the decision that they've made.

00:58:18.520 And their heads, and they do talk about this in another part of the podcast, it's to do with the fact they are women and they are black women. 0.75

00:58:26.580 And I thought it was just so telling that there was no potential to say, actually, did I have to be criticized?

00:58:36.960 Had I done something wrong?

00:58:39.240 And the moment that Serena used the word trauma, doesn't she?

00:58:45.100 Because, you know, she views herself as some sort of tin pot psychoanalyst. 1.00

00:58:49.580 That's what Meghan thinks she is with her mates. 1.00

00:58:53.160 And immediately she ran in and embraced that idea of trauma because Meghan believes that she was traumatized by the British royal family, by the British public, by the media.

00:59:04.680 It's always someone else's fault.

00:59:07.180 And again, I would just say it shows that they have no idea about how tough life actually is outside of their privileged bubble in Montezito.

00:59:16.580 So she Serena is complaining that they accused her at one point of having a meltdown on the court and she believes they never said that kind of thing about her male competitors.

00:59:28.240 I don't know what they I have not searched all of the reporting on John McEnroe and others, but I can tell you, Serena Williams, she did have some meltdowns.

00:59:36.440 She did. I've seen them myself.

00:59:38.420 My husband's a huge tennis fan and I get sort of brought along for the ride.

00:59:41.820 Well, here's one video of her smashing her racket, but this kind of stuff will get you criticized no matter what kind of player you are. 1.00

00:59:47.880 Here, watch.

00:59:53.160 Dave Stevens.

00:59:59.820 So there she is.

01:00:04.140 There she is smashing, smashing and then throwing. 1.00

01:00:06.540 And Dan, I'm sorry, but who could forget the time she reamed out that line judge, the little female line judge, got in her face, screamed at her. 1.00

01:00:16.060 And the little lady ran down. 1.00

01:00:17.360 She ran down to the, you know, the the guy who sits in the middle of the court to sort of report to him.

01:00:21.820 He seemed to be the boss and then ran back, back and forth.

01:00:24.740 We have that queued up, too.

01:00:31.720 Serena is serving.

01:00:32.720 I think she gets called a football. 1.00

01:00:39.300 Match point.

01:00:40.140 She's yelling. 0.55

01:00:42.080 Yelling at the line judge.

01:00:42.960 She needs to be careful here.

01:00:43.840 She's already had a warning for racket abuse. 0.94

01:00:48.080 Here we go.

01:00:48.700 Little little judge friends.

01:00:49.480 And this could be trouble.

01:00:55.060 Here she goes back for a second go at her. 0.99

01:00:58.480 Well, I think this is really indicative of Serena's night, isn't it?

01:01:01.400 And it went it went downhill from there.

01:01:04.040 I mean, she was completely nasty. 1.00

01:01:05.580 So, like, could you spare me?

01:01:07.560 Just spare me.

01:01:08.460 She was to find ten thousand dollars for that.

01:01:10.500 And then there was the time when she was accused of cheating with her coach who was in the stand.

01:01:14.140 He was giving her hand signals, which you're not allowed to do.

01:01:16.160 She denied it.

01:01:16.940 She yelled. 0.99

01:01:17.680 She said she she played the race card and the woman card when they said you cheated.

01:01:22.200 And then the coach was like, I did it.

01:01:24.560 I'm guilty.

01:01:25.340 We did it.

01:01:25.940 Sorry.

01:01:26.340 But she got caught.

01:01:27.040 I was sick and tired of these privileged women trying to play these cards all the time when, yes, I understand. 0.95

01:01:33.560 I'm not saying Serena had an emotional moment that nobody's ever had.

01:01:36.780 I'm just saying when it happens, own it and stop acting like it was because of what's between your legs or what's your melanin.

01:01:43.500 But, Megan, there's actually something very sinister at play with this, because if you listen to the podcast, it becomes clear that both Serena and Megan believe that they should be immune from criticism.

01:02:00.180 And actually, there's a point when they talk about Serena's recent retirement from the sport.

01:02:05.700 And let's be clear, right, she's retired by the definition of the English language following the U.S. Open. 0.99

01:02:13.300 She is retiring.

01:02:14.580 And Megan praises her and says how absolutely brilliant it is that she refused to use that word.

01:02:20.760 And instead, she says she's evolved away from the sport in a big magazine shoot with Vogue magazine organized by their mutual friend Anna Wintour.

01:02:29.180 And they are actually wanting to deny the reality of the meaning of the word retirement.

01:02:36.200 And this is what it's about.

01:02:37.820 These privileged folk now believe they don't need the media to set their agenda.

01:02:42.400 They think they are powerful enough to use social media, to use willing victims like Spotify and Netflix, who I think are paying far too much money for really crap content,

01:02:52.900 to be able to present to the world a fairy tale, which doesn't take into account the good parts of their lives and the bad parts of their lives.

01:03:02.640 And Megan, we all have them, right?

01:03:04.880 I mean, both of us, we're criticized for lots of things we do.

01:03:09.100 And I think we know that because of our job, we deserve some of that.

01:03:13.540 We deserve to be picked apart at times.

01:03:15.940 Part of the game.

01:03:16.340 And that's the difference with Serena and Megan.

01:03:19.460 They believe they should not be criticized simply because of their sex, simply because of their color of the skin.

01:03:26.740 I actually think it's so backward and it sends such a bad message to young black women, because what it's saying, actually, is that we're different.

01:03:37.740 We should be treated differently because of our innate characteristics, which goes completely against the Martin Luther King Jr.

01:03:44.860 approach.

01:03:45.200 It goes completely against the John Lennon approach.

01:03:47.280 So I actually think this is part of a bigger regression in society.

01:03:53.360 But what makes me laugh is when it comes to Megan Bunker, right, it's simply because she's quite a bad person in lots of ways. 0.79

01:04:00.800 We know that she bullied staff members behind the scenes of the royal family. 0.57

01:04:06.520 We know that she made Kate, the Duchess of Cambridge, cry.

01:04:11.800 And the entire narrative of this exhaustingly sycophantic podcast is for Megan to say to her fans, don't believe it.

01:04:23.340 And if they say it, they're only saying it because I'm black and they're only saying it because I'm a woman.

01:04:28.860 Mm hmm.

01:04:29.900 The attempt at like empathizing and putting herself into the story, Megan Markle, as Serena talks about.

01:04:37.260 I mean, I'll give this to Serena.

01:04:38.820 She actually has accomplished amazing things in her life, things that dwarf anything I could hope to ever do.

01:04:43.740 There's no question about that.

01:04:45.680 Megan Markle's done nothing.

01:04:46.720 She married a rich guy who's very famous and part of the royal family.

01:04:49.500 She's done nothing other than acting a bee. 1.00

01:04:51.760 I actually completely agree with you there, Megan.

01:04:53.900 I came away from the podcast actually thinking Serena was someone who could take criticism, who was a bit more in touch with the real world.

01:05:06.380 Megan, on the other hand, no, Cloud Cookie Land. 0.66

01:05:09.980 Yeah.

01:05:10.420 And so what does she try to do? 1.00

01:05:12.100 She's like, it's like, you know, when you try to put a military decoration on that you didn't earn.

01:05:17.060 And Megan's doing like instead of stolen honor, like stolen victimhood where she she's interjecting. 1.00

01:05:24.920 I lived through a lot of that with you.

01:05:27.480 Did you really?

01:05:28.620 You know, you haven't known each other for like who are you kidding?

01:05:30.520 Come on.

01:05:31.080 And then, oh, my God, of course you were treated completely unfairly.

01:05:35.060 Like she knows anything.

01:05:36.180 She knows nothing.

01:05:37.080 Why do we listen to this person?

01:05:38.580 You know, I mean, honestly, like other than being Howie Mandel's backup suitcase girl, she really hasn't accomplished much much in her life except for marrying well.

01:05:45.920 And even that is very subject to debate.

01:05:48.320 So she does inject a story about little Archie, her son with Prince Harry into this into this podcast.

01:05:56.840 And now this is making a bunch of news because you would think that little Archie was basically in the towering inferno.

01:06:04.600 The way the way this story goes down already.

01:06:08.800 There's been a lot of pushback on her talking about their trip to South Africa and what allegedly happened with their baby.

01:06:16.100 We'll get to this in one second.

01:06:17.560 We're just getting it right.

01:06:18.640 OK, we got it.

01:06:19.200 Here it is.

01:06:19.540 Soundbite 23.

01:06:20.380 The moment we landed, we had to drop him off at this housing unit that they had had us staying in.

01:06:27.540 He was going to get ready to go down for his nap.

01:06:29.140 We immediately went to an official engagement in this township called Nyanga.

01:06:33.200 And there was this moment where I'm standing on a tree stump and I'm giving this speech to women and girls.

01:06:37.740 And we finished the engagement.

01:06:39.840 We get in the car and they say, there's been a fire at the residence.

01:06:44.640 What?

01:06:45.800 There's been a fire in the baby's room.

01:06:50.380 What?

01:06:51.620 Our amazing nanny Lauren, who we'd had all the way until in Canada here.

01:06:57.700 Lauren, in floods of tears, she was supposed to put Archie down for his nap.

01:07:01.380 And she just said, you know what?

01:07:03.060 Let me just go and get a snack downstairs.

01:07:04.980 And she was from Zimbabwe, and we loved that she would always tie him on her back with a mudcloth. 1.00

01:07:10.500 And her instinct was like, let me just bring him with me before I put him down.

01:07:13.080 In that amount of time that she went downstairs, the heater in the nursery caught on fire.

01:07:20.000 There was no smoke detector.

01:07:22.140 Someone happened to just smell smoke down the hallway, went in, fire extinguished.

01:07:26.300 He was supposed to be sleeping in there.

01:07:28.840 Everyone's in tears.

01:07:29.840 Everyone's shaken.

01:07:31.280 And what did we have to do?

01:07:32.940 Go out and do another official engagement.

01:07:35.560 I said, this doesn't make any sense.

01:07:37.100 Can you just...

01:07:37.800 How did you not bring him?

01:07:39.320 I was like, can you just tell people what happened?

01:07:42.580 And so much, I think, optically, the focus ends up being on how it looks instead of how it feels.

01:07:49.140 And part of the humanizing and the breaking through of these labels and these archetypes and these boxes that we're put into

01:07:54.360 is having some understanding on the human moments behind the scenes that people might not have any awareness of and to give each other a break.

01:08:02.040 Because we did.

01:08:03.300 We had to leave our baby.

01:08:04.660 Oh, my God, Dan.

01:08:06.440 I can't.

01:08:07.340 The child wasn't even in the room.

01:08:09.040 It wasn't even in the room.

01:08:12.280 What's happening?

01:08:13.340 I mean, this actually made me so angry on so many levels, Megan, because firstly, the idea that Markle and Harry are innocent victims who are going to be pushed around and do anything they don't want to do is baloney, complete baloney.

01:08:33.720 I mean, I knew all of the people who were working for Harry and Meghan at that point.

01:08:38.820 And believe me, if Harry and Meghan didn't want to do something, they didn't do it.

01:08:43.740 There were so many ways you can get around a situation like that.

01:08:47.120 Meghan could have come down with a stomach bug and would have been allowed to stay at home. 1.00

01:08:51.640 So this idea that the evil royal family forced her to go and do something she didn't want to do in a time of trauma, quote, unquote, trauma, rubbish.

01:09:01.240 But let's get to the actual nub of the argument, right?

01:09:05.660 Maybe little Archie had a near miss, but he wasn't in that room.

01:09:11.700 The nanny was with him at all times.

01:09:13.760 So even if a fire had broken out in that room, the nanny would have immediately removed him from the room.

01:09:20.040 The reality is Archie was not at serious risk.

01:09:22.960 None of the journalists who were on the tour heard a thing about an apparent fire where Harry and Meghan were staying.

01:09:31.240 And again, there are hundreds of journalists on that tour.

01:09:34.360 It's all very curious, especially given we know Markle's track record in terms of telling little porky pies in interviews.

01:09:43.040 But all of that aside, Meghan, again, to me, this is about the delusion of Miss Markle.

01:09:49.440 Well, the idea that she should have a God-given right not to go to work after something terrible nearly happens.

01:09:58.200 Well, that's not a right that you have if you work at a supermarket checkout, if you're a receptionist at a doctor's, if you're a brain surgeon.

01:10:07.700 It doesn't matter what you do.

01:10:09.360 You have a responsibility to wider society, to get out there and work whenever you possibly can.

01:10:15.700 But this idea that Meghan thinks she shouldn't have had to do that and let lots of people down in South Africa, who, by the way, the people who she was seeing on that tour were in the most appalling conditions.

01:10:29.660 I mean, in the most terrible poverty, just shows you what Meghan is in this for.

01:10:35.600 She's not in it for anyone else.

01:10:37.160 She is in it for herself.

01:10:39.380 She only ever thinks about herself.

01:10:42.420 And we know that, given we've seen the way she treats her blood relatives. 0.98

01:10:46.360 I love how she thinks if she just exposes herself to us, we're going to change our opinion about her.

01:10:53.520 The problem is we haven't had the behind the scenes talks the way that she's delivering here.

01:10:59.720 And that's why we don't love her.

01:11:01.860 No, that's not it.

01:11:03.440 We've seen enough to have made our judgment.

01:11:05.400 And we don't really care that you're perfectly healthy baby who was never in any trouble, had something that may or may not have happened, because, as you point out, that would have been a huge scoop for one of these reporters to find out that the baby Archie was nearly, you know, in a fire.

01:11:21.980 OK, that would have been a huge news story.

01:11:24.680 Weird how it never broke this.

01:11:27.900 And what she's really told us is that, as you point out, she's weak, she's pathetic and she doesn't like to work hard.

01:11:33.960 But I'm going to guess, well, how old is the queen now?

01:11:35.840 Ninety six?

01:11:38.080 Yeah, I'm going to guess in those ninety six years and when she was twenty five or whatever, she took the throne. 1.00

01:11:43.340 Seventy five, we said her year, whatever it was, the Jubilee.

01:11:46.380 I'm going to guess in those 70, 75 years, she had a couple of bad things happen to her.

01:11:50.840 There have been some world wars.

01:11:52.920 She's lost all of her family members that she grew up with.

01:11:56.140 She always went.

01:11:57.120 She's famous for doing her duty, stiff upper upper lip, no matter what is ails her. 1.00

01:12:02.560 She puts herself out there unless she absolutely physically is incapable of doing it.

01:12:07.960 What can you imagine her whining like this over an injury that never occurred, over something that never even happened? 0.99

01:12:16.980 Never, never.

01:12:18.640 Even after the death of her husband, Meghan, the darkest moment in her life, the queen was determined to return to her public engagements because she knows her job is not about her.

01:12:33.420 It's about the wider public.

01:12:34.620 And that's, of course, why Meghan was never going to like it in the royal family, because it was all about a greater cause than increasing the brand awareness of a certain Meghan Markle.

01:12:48.820 But come on, let's just think for a moment as well.

01:12:51.680 We're not talking about hard labour.

01:12:53.360 We're not talking about someone going to spend 12 hours behind the fry vat at McDonald's.

01:12:59.760 She was going in a chauffeured limousine to spend a very short amount of time around members of the South African public, who she claims that she cares so much about, before being driven back in a chauffeured-driven limousine to another very expensive new accommodation, where she would have her every wish and whim dealt with by all of her stuff, Meghan.

01:13:27.600 You know, royal servants, essentially, who are there to serve her. 0.96

01:13:32.620 So I'm sorry if I can't feel a scintilla of sympathy.

01:13:37.400 Yeah, it's not like it actually happened.

01:13:39.800 I understand there were a few minutes of high stress when somebody told you there was a fire in the baby's room.

01:13:44.320 Get it.

01:13:44.840 Got it.

01:13:45.520 Validated.

01:13:46.340 But then you soon found out there he was never in danger.

01:13:49.500 He wasn't in the room.

01:13:50.700 He's perfectly fine.

01:13:51.980 Nothing happened.

01:13:52.740 That's under her version.

01:13:54.180 If we're giving her every benefit of the doubt.

01:13:56.060 And for that, she shouldn't have to do her next obligation.

01:13:59.540 It's so typical, Dan, because what she wants is all the benefits of royal life without any of the downsides.

01:14:07.120 Yeah, but Serena Williams actually says to her, I couldn't have gone to that engagement without taking my child.

01:14:16.200 And by the way, nothing was stopping Harry and Meghan taking Archie with them to that engagement.

01:14:22.580 This idea that they were controlled within the royal family is just a delusion.

01:14:28.920 It is a fantasy.

01:14:30.060 And it is a fantasy that has been developed to support a narrative about why they were forced to exit.

01:14:37.360 It's just like Meghan when Markle claimed to Oprah that she wasn't allowed to seek counselling.

01:14:44.600 That's not true.

01:14:46.620 You know, the staff working for Meghan within the royal family bent over backwards to make her happy. 0.99

01:14:54.280 Unfortunately, they soon realized nothing was going to make her happy.

01:14:58.060 She didn't want it to work.

01:14:59.800 As Harry is now realizing, I'm sure, too.

01:15:03.980 All right.

01:15:04.200 Dan's got a new column up right now at the Daily Mail talking about how Harry, not Harry, William, the heir, is doing something very, very different than Prince Charles did with him.

01:15:15.600 This is we come upon the anniversary.

01:15:18.060 What is it?

01:15:18.440 The 25th of the is it?

01:15:20.240 The 25th anniversary of Diana's death.

01:15:22.940 25th.

01:15:23.640 Unbelievable.

01:15:24.240 That's one of those things you can remember where you were when it happened.

01:15:27.280 And we'll pick it up there with Dan Wooten right after this quick break.

01:15:34.260 All right, Dan.

01:15:35.200 So Prince William and his wife, Princess Kate, are making a decision on how to raise their children and where to live that caught a lot of people by surprise.

01:15:44.040 What are they doing and why does it matter?

01:15:46.140 Well, I think it matters because it's the 25th anniversary of Princess Diana's death next week.

01:15:52.500 And both Prince Harry and Prince William, in their own ways, and yes, they are very contrasting ways, are determined to honor their mother's legacy when it comes to the raising of their children.

01:16:06.440 And, of course, Prince William has a future king to raise.

01:16:09.620 And what he's decided to do is move the family out of London.

01:16:16.580 They're going to live for the first time without any staff, without a nanny.

01:16:21.720 Sure, it's a mansion.

01:16:23.240 I mean, the royals like to call these mansions cottages, but it's a four-bedroom cottage just down the road from the Queen within the grounds of Windsor Castle.

01:16:30.900 But what it allows Prince William to do is take the children to school and pick the children up from school.

01:16:38.440 And, again, some people would say that's pretty normal.

01:16:42.620 Some dads can do it.

01:16:43.620 Some can't, depending on what work they do.

01:16:46.700 But with Prince William, there is a much deeper reason behind it, which I've been investigating for the Mail Online, DailyMail.com, with lots of friends of William.

01:16:56.340 And what he's very clear about is, for him, this is an overarching mission to be a better dad than his own father, Prince Charles.

01:17:06.920 This is awkward, Megan.

01:17:08.820 I mean, Charles is next in line to the throne.

01:17:12.380 He's going to be king.

01:17:14.400 And Prince William has a relatively good relationship with him these days.

01:17:19.360 But, and it is a big but,

01:17:21.240 he isn't happy with the way that Prince Charles prioritised his duty over fatherhood in the years after Princess Diana's death.

01:17:31.840 He feels like Prince Charles was an absent dad.

01:17:35.280 He wasn't there for the big moments in his life.

01:17:38.800 He wasn't there to pick him up from school.

01:17:41.440 So Prince William is making a really interesting decision to prioritise family life at a time when he's actually been expected to pick up far more royal duties,

01:17:53.440 because the Queen, God bless her, and you know Megan, and lots of people say I'm delusional,

01:17:59.440 but I think we've got her for another couple of decades.

01:18:01.960 We need her for a couple of more decades, because the idea of Prince Charles on the throne and as king gives me shoves, really, if I'm going to be completely honest.

01:18:12.900 But the Queen isn't in great health. 0.93

01:18:15.400 She's struggling.

01:18:16.300 It's not a surprise, given her age, but there is an increasing growing feeling within the royal family that transition is just around the corner.

01:18:27.160 Of course, it's unspoken, but we didn't see her when she went to her summer home in Scotland, Balmoral, just a couple of weeks ago, and that's unprecedented.

01:18:39.120 We haven't seen her for a number of weeks.

01:18:42.120 There are lots of rumours about the state of her health out of respect for the Queen.

01:18:47.000 I'm not going to talk about the details of what I know.

01:18:50.600 I don't think that's fair, and she is very clear, and the people around her are very clear that her health should not be speculated on.

01:18:59.320 But the point is, transition in the royal family is close.

01:19:03.840 It's going to be a seismic moment, and by setting himself up at Windsor, Prince William is saying,

01:19:10.600 I'm going to put family first, but I'm also going to be there for the Queen, probably in her final years,

01:19:17.400 which I think is sweet, because remember, Prince Harry and Meghan were meant to be there,

01:19:21.940 and they packed their bags to California.

01:19:25.020 Yeah, they peaced out because Meghan wanted to live in a mansion in Montecito, 0.93

01:19:29.180 and so William and Kate move 10 minutes walking distance from where the Queen is living,

01:19:33.940 in what is the twilight, at least, of her life.

01:19:38.280 So Prince Charles will take over when the Queen passes, and how old is he now?

01:19:45.140 Oh my goodness, he's over 70 now, so he's healthy.

01:19:51.140 This is the reason that he's focused so much on living a clean and healthy life,

01:19:57.420 because he knew he had to stay healthy in order to take the throne.

01:20:01.400 But that's why the anniversary of Diana's death is incredibly awkward for Prince Charles Meghan.

01:20:07.700 There is a major bombshell new TV series being broadcast over here at the moment,

01:20:14.360 and it investigates all of the conspiracy theories around Diana's death,

01:20:19.200 which you might be aware have started to explode on the social media site for young people, TikTok,

01:20:26.760 because lots of people, lots of these young kids on TikTok didn't know the story of Princess Diana.

01:20:32.580 So there's now a big industry around conspiracy theories about Princess Diana's death on TikTok.

01:20:39.360 And, of course, a lot of folk are looking at what happened back in the 90s and thinking,

01:20:46.920 goodness me, this doesn't look good for Prince Charles,

01:20:49.960 because, of course, there was the famous note, the infamous note, the notorious note,

01:20:54.600 written by Princess Diana, revealed to the world by her personal assistant, Paul Burrell,

01:21:01.960 where she says, I think my husband's going to kill me in a car accident.

01:21:09.380 Tample with the brakes.

01:21:11.240 So it's bad timing for Prince Charles.

01:21:14.600 Of course, I do have to stress.

01:21:16.420 There was the French inquiry into the car accident.

01:21:20.520 There was then the major British inquest to Lord Christopher Stevens, who was behind that.

01:21:26.600 He's going to be appearing on my GB News show tomorrow night because he wants to make clear

01:21:30.760 we interviewed Prince Charles.

01:21:33.040 There was no evidence of any funny business whatsoever.

01:21:37.200 Princess Diana died because of a drunken driver and the fact that she wasn't wearing a seatbelt.

01:21:42.640 But the reality doesn't really matter so much, Megan, because with Prince Charles, it's about perception.

01:21:49.460 And he's got a really big perception problem.

01:21:52.220 A lot of young people only know him from the way that he's portrayed on the Netflix TV series,

01:21:57.040 The Crown, where he looks like a philandering, nasty guy who treated 19-year-old Virgin Princess Diana

01:22:05.700 like a piece of dirt on his shoe while he pursued a relationship with a woman who he really loved,

01:22:10.400 Camilla Parker Bowles, now his wife.

01:22:13.380 Now you've got all of these TikTok videos going viral, suggesting that maybe he had something

01:22:18.800 to do with Princess Diana's death.

01:22:23.120 You know, this is not a good time, put it this way, for the anniversary of Diana's death.

01:22:29.280 And then you've got the big specter hanging over Prince Charles of what is Harry going to reveal

01:22:38.500 in his autobiography.

01:22:40.580 And that is something, let me tell you, Megan, that has kept Prince Charles up at night for the past year.

01:22:45.640 It has been an emotional wrench for him, even as he deals with the grief, which has been

01:22:52.840 significant after the death of his father, Prince Philip.

01:22:55.880 And of course, we don't know what Harry's going to say.

01:22:59.140 And the royal family don't know what Harry's going to say.

01:23:01.440 Prince Harry has refused to provide either his father or his brother advance copies of his

01:23:07.160 autobiography.

01:23:08.060 There are suspicions that Prince Harry might lean into the circumstances surrounding his mother's

01:23:15.000 death.

01:23:15.640 We don't know what he'll say.

01:23:17.780 There are suspicions that he might be critical of Prince Charles as a father.

01:23:22.800 And there are also suspicions that he might be incredibly negative about Camilla, who, of

01:23:29.340 course, Diana felt ruined her life. 0.93

01:23:32.760 So it's really difficult times for Prince Charles.

01:23:36.040 Obviously, a lot of people don't have any sympathy and think he brought all of this on himself.

01:23:39.900 But at the end of the day, he is going to be king.

01:23:43.220 He has to try and change his public position, his public perception.

01:23:46.940 He's being buffeted by all of these scandals from the past that he just can't escape.

01:23:52.720 When does the biography come out of Prince Harry, by Prince Harry?

01:23:58.520 We don't know.

01:23:59.900 It could come at any time.

01:24:02.160 And it has been checked by the lawyers now.

01:24:06.220 It is ready for release.

01:24:08.700 If you think about the book market and if you were a betting man, you probably would think

01:24:13.400 it would be released in time for Christmas because they want to make lots of money on

01:24:17.640 this.

01:24:18.400 Penguin Random House, the publisher.

01:24:20.620 And they've spent millions and millions of dollars in order to secure Prince Harry's

01:24:25.640 autobiography.

01:24:26.880 But it's going to come this year.

01:24:28.940 And that has caused great consternation within the royal family because, again, senior members

01:24:35.120 of the family believe that Prince Harry should not be putting the Queen through this in her

01:24:41.480 twilight years.

01:24:42.740 Right.

01:24:43.020 Right.

01:24:43.460 Exactly.

01:24:43.960 Wait at least until the Queen dies and not add one more bit of stress onto her. 1.00

01:24:50.620 It is pretty selfish, especially since we know they're awash in cash, thanks to Spotify.

01:24:56.560 And I mean, they're getting sort of bit by bit.

01:24:59.300 Their deal with Netflix is falling apart, but they've got plenty of cash and they don't need

01:25:03.300 to publish this book right now.

01:25:04.560 They don't need the money.

01:25:05.680 So, yeah, what's the point?

01:25:08.120 Honestly, Megan, it is revenge, pure and simple.

01:25:11.500 And this is what the supporters of Prince Harry and Megan don't seem to realize.

01:25:16.300 But everything they now set out to do is to try and bring down the royal family.

01:25:24.260 I find it completely bizarre.

01:25:26.780 I find it incredibly distasteful.

01:25:29.860 It doesn't surprise me, given I know the way that Megan has thrown her dad and her sister

01:25:36.360 and her brother under the bus.

01:25:38.700 But given the Queen has given so much to the country and so much to the world, I think

01:25:44.980 it speaks volumes of the type of person Harry has become.

01:25:50.120 Well, and what?

01:25:51.920 OK, so they want to trash the royal family.

01:25:53.660 We saw that in the Oprah interview.

01:25:56.260 We see that even here.

01:25:57.600 She's complaining. 0.88

01:25:58.380 I had to go do another duty when I was on my tour.

01:26:02.400 So but what what connection do they still have with the royal family?

01:26:06.600 Like, how are they still trying to exploit his royal roots and her royal connection?

01:26:11.980 Right.

01:26:12.220 She's still using that title, isn't she?

01:26:14.220 Duchess.

01:26:15.040 So, like, how do they still hold on to the royals while they're continuing to bash them?

01:26:20.600 This is the thing that's so bizarre.

01:26:24.980 As their time away from Britain has grown longer, their need to have proximity to the

01:26:32.860 royal family has only increased.

01:26:34.200 So, yes, as you say, at the end of the podcast, in the credits, by the way, Megan, 28 people

01:26:40.500 worked on that terrible podcast.

01:26:43.140 Oh, my God.

01:26:45.000 Believe it.

01:26:45.640 I was like, 28 people have been working on that for two years.

01:26:48.820 And that's what we've got.

01:26:50.320 But anyway, that's the side.

01:26:52.100 Megan referred to herself or the person who was reading out her name referred to her as

01:26:55.980 the Duchess of Sussex, not Megan Markle.

01:26:58.960 She's Megan, the Duchess of Sussex.

01:27:01.360 Of course, they are coming to the UK next month for charity engagements.

01:27:07.400 But there is a real suspicion from the people who I speak to in the royal family, Megan, that

01:27:12.400 in fact, they are coming to the UK to film for keeping up with the Markles.

01:27:18.820 This is the big Netflix reality show that they promised they would never do until Netflix

01:27:26.720 realized that a whole load of boring, woke content from Harry and Megan ain't going to

01:27:33.240 buy them any new subscribers.

01:27:35.760 Netflix is losing out at the moment in the streaming wars because it went far too far down

01:27:42.000 the woke rabbit hole.

01:27:43.460 So they have demanded some juicy content.

01:27:47.360 And how do Harry and Megan get juicy content?

01:27:49.600 Nothing's going on at their Montecito mansion where Serena Williams comes around and they

01:27:55.560 moan about how bad their lives are.

01:27:57.320 So that's why Harry and Megan have to keep making these trips to the UK where they don't

01:28:01.500 want to be.

01:28:02.200 So there is a real dichotomy going on here.

01:28:06.240 It's difficult, but mark my words, Harry and Megan are like the kamikaze royals.

01:28:15.060 They are prepared to bring down the institution because they can't be a part of it anymore.

01:28:22.360 And I've made a decision not to be part of it anymore.

01:28:24.940 And I think that's a terrible thing that they're doing.

01:28:27.820 I think one day when the marriage is over and Megan, I've always said it will last for

01:28:33.180 10 years.

01:28:34.000 It will last for 10 years, but there's no way that in the long term, Harry is going

01:28:38.700 to allow Ms. 1.00

01:28:40.040 Markle to take him away from his friends and his family, because we know we've all seen

01:28:45.920 in our own lives when a wife tries to dominate a husband like that, it doesn't work out in 1.00

01:28:53.020 the long run.

01:28:54.000 So there's going to be a time in his life, I believe, when Prince Harry looks back at

01:28:59.400 the damage he has wrought on the royal family, on the difficulty he has posed to the queen

01:29:05.420 in her twilight years.

01:29:06.900 And he will feel ashamed and he should feel ashamed.

01:29:09.040 I just have to remind everyone, they went ahead with that Oprah Winfrey interview, which

01:29:15.120 I now just describe as a bonanza of lies, because that's what it was.

01:29:19.760 There were very limited facts in that interview.

01:29:22.580 We now know that there is proof of that.

01:29:24.580 They went ahead with that interview, knowing that Prince Philip, Harry's grandfather, who

01:29:31.580 devoted his life to service, was dying in hospital.

01:29:36.900 How sick is that?

01:29:38.840 Yeah, and didn't even have the decency to exempt him or the queen from their sweeping claims

01:29:44.940 of racism.

01:29:45.900 They wouldn't even say, you know, we don't want to get into who it is, but we'll tell you

01:29:49.720 it wasn't the queen or the dying Prince Philip.

01:29:52.320 They didn't have that decency inside of them.

01:29:55.240 And meanwhile, as you talk about this, like the kamikaze thing, it makes me think my team

01:29:59.480 pulled this.

01:30:00.120 It was from the teaser for her podcast.

01:30:01.860 People should expect the real me in this, and probably the me that they've never gotten

01:30:13.400 to know, certainly not in the past few years, where everything is through the lens of the

01:30:17.840 media, as opposed to, hey, it's me.

01:30:20.800 I'm just excited to be myself and talk and be unfiltered.

01:30:24.580 And yeah, it's fun.

01:30:26.980 Oh my God.

01:30:27.980 It's as if we have no cognizance, no memory whatsoever of what she's actually done and

01:30:34.120 said and how she's behaved to date.

01:30:35.980 Exactly.

01:30:38.080 We have made our decisions on Meghan based on her behavior.

01:30:44.260 No one felt like this, Meghan, when she married into the royal family.

01:30:48.400 No one.

01:30:48.840 I remember back to that day, the entire country stopped.

01:30:53.440 I mean, actually, Meghan, I was with you the day before.

01:30:56.720 Remember on the roof of that hotel?

01:30:59.460 That's right.

01:30:59.920 And you know what it was like, the spirit in Britain was absolutely one of celebration.

01:31:09.540 Everyone thought this was great, that the royal family was modifying, thought it was really

01:31:13.960 exciting that there was going to be a mixed race princess. 0.97

01:31:17.840 It all changed when Meghan behaved badly. 1.00

01:31:23.440 And this is the point.

01:31:24.300 She keeps thinking that she's going to be able to rewrite history, erase the way that she

01:31:29.400 acted.

01:31:29.700 But we know, we know.

01:31:32.140 And actually, listening to that podcast, I just thought, you're really not doing anything

01:31:37.740 to change my perception.

01:31:39.420 What you're doing is doubling down on why we don't like you and why we've decided that

01:31:45.240 you're a bad thing for the royal family.

01:31:47.960 Right.

01:31:48.100 And that you are not to be trusted because you are not a truth teller.

01:31:51.080 I mean, it reminds me of the Hillary Clinton thing where she talked about how she she allegedly 0.99

01:31:56.440 almost got shot on the on the runway.

01:31:59.200 And she was basically like, you know, the the gun smoke was licking my face as I ran for

01:32:05.000 safety.

01:32:05.500 And then our Sheryl Atkinson reporter here who was there was like, I was there.

01:32:09.800 None of that happened.

01:32:11.160 You were 100 percent fine.

01:32:12.600 It's like, OK, so your child was never in danger.

01:32:15.420 But you want all the sympathy as though he actually had been in the room and some fire

01:32:19.380 breathing rescue had to happen.

01:32:21.100 And so you were so distraught.

01:32:22.500 You couldn't possibly.

01:32:23.100 It's just this par for the course.

01:32:25.140 Dan, it's always fascinating listening to you talk about the royal family.

01:32:28.920 No, keep going.

01:32:29.660 I'll just say my final thing.

01:32:30.940 And she there is no debt so low that Megan will not sue.

01:32:37.400 Because remember, she knows there are certain unchallengeables in this current society.

01:32:43.700 And the big one is mental health.

01:32:46.420 And if you're feeling suicidal and and so she is prepared to say whatever it takes to

01:32:54.680 garner sympathy.

01:32:56.100 The problem is we don't believe her.

01:32:59.480 We think she's a liar. 1.00

01:33:01.800 And in fact, we now know she's a liar.

01:33:05.380 So I expect more lies throughout this podcast.

01:33:08.260 She's sitting down with Mariah Carey next week.

01:33:10.160 And I just thought, my goodness, pretty impressive that she's managed to find the one person in

01:33:15.840 the world who probably is a bigger diva than her.

01:33:19.620 But at least Mariah has a hell of a lot of talent. 0.99

01:33:24.760 That's exactly right.

01:33:25.560 But I'm sure Miss Markle will try to steal her thunder, too. 1.00

01:33:28.440 That also happened to me.

01:33:30.060 Oh, you were treating you so terribly.

01:33:31.940 I live that with you.

01:33:33.100 What do you mean, like from your couch in California?

01:33:35.380 Well, you grew up and she actually did stuff.

01:33:37.980 Dan, a pleasure, my friend.

01:33:39.800 Thank you for being here.

01:33:40.940 Thank you so much.

01:33:42.240 Tomorrow, our pal Andrew Klavan is back by popular demand.

01:33:46.880 And we'll dig much deeper into Biden's debt forgiveness plans, which are about to get

01:33:51.180 announced.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - August 24, 2022

Good Riddance Fauci, and Meghan Markle's Smug Podcast, with Bethany Mandel, Karol Markowicz, and Dan Wootton ｜ Ep. 379

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