Anthony Fauci is stepping down from his post as the head of the CDC, but he's not looking for our forgiveness. Instead, he's self-congratulating himself on how far we've come in the fight against the flu.
00:00:18.800Anthony Fauci is not looking for our forgiveness.
00:00:21.460As you know, he's stepping down from his post.
00:00:23.940And that's good because millions of us will never provide it.
00:00:27.180The truth is that Dr. Fauci, who had a greater hand than anyone in causing Americans to lose their jobs, years of learning, and even their lives thanks to the social and economic upheaval he helped foist upon us during the pandemic, ought to be ashamed to show his face in polite society.
00:00:46.600Instead, the man is self-congratulatory.
00:01:04.680People, the craving for consistency, for integrity, for truth, and for people caring about people.
00:01:10.960Integrity and truth, truth, that's a joke.
00:01:13.940Look, as even he has inadvertently admitted.
00:01:17.620He lied about his views on masks, for example, first saying we didn't need them, which happened to be true, then saying we did and that he only lied earlier to preserve them for medical workers.
00:01:27.660Meanwhile, his pals over the CDC did a study of 90,000 school children in Georgia and found that masks do nothing.
00:01:33.060A study Fauci and the CDC then promptly ignored, later dismissing all criticism of Fauci's edicts as anti-science.
00:01:41.700Anybody who's looking at this carefully realizes that there's a distinct anti-science flavor to this.
00:01:50.080So if they get up and criticize science, nobody's going to know what they're talking about.
00:01:54.440But if they get up and really aim their bullets at Tony Fauci, well, people could recognize there's a person there.
00:05:34.740But Fauci's biggest lie was told under oath when he testified before Congress that his group at the NIH never funded gain-of-function research in Wuhan, China.
00:05:47.040The kind that experiments on bat coronaviruses to try to make them more lethal or more transmissible in humans.
00:05:54.320Senator Rand Paul confronted Fauci on this falsehood.
00:05:57.700Dr. Fauci, knowing that it is a crime to lie to Congress, do you wish to retract your statement of May 11th where you claimed that the NIH never funded gain-of-function research in Wuhan?
00:06:09.220Senator Paul, I have never lied before the Congress.
00:06:13.220But all the evidence is pointing that it came from the lab and there will be responsibility for those who funded the lab, including yourself.
00:06:20.240I totally resent the lie that you are now propagating.
00:06:27.800No one's saying those viruses caused it.
00:06:29.920No one is alleging that those viruses caused the pandemic.
00:06:32.980What we're alleging is that gain-of-function research was going on in that lab and NIH funded it.
00:06:59.320Unfortunately for Fauci, he was the one who was lying and he was caught in this lie, thanks to the emergence of previously unseen documents unearthed by Republicans in Congress.
00:07:09.680The NIH was later forced to admit in writing in a letter to Congress that it had indeed funded gain-of-function research at the Wuhan lab, despite those nonsense denials by Fauci, claiming that the group to which Dr. Fauci gave the money, EcoHealth Alliance, had not been straight with the NIH about it.
00:07:46.400The NIH must have been very angry that this group, EcoHealth Alliance, partnering with a Wuhan lab, embarrassed Dr. Fauci so badly and possibly even had a role in causing the pandemic.
00:07:58.100So angry, in fact, that it just approved more public grants, more of your money for EcoHealth, the NIH did, with zero additional oversight or accountability.
00:08:14.560Mr. Integrity took the opinions of 11 or so respected virologists who came to him early on in this pandemic and said, yo, this thing looks like it came from a lab and appears to have probably pressured them into doing a 180.
00:08:30.160And we now know why the NIH had been funding this kind of lab research in Wuhan, China.
00:08:36.480These 11 scientists, most of whom make their living on NIH grants controlled by Fauci, went from saying, no way is this from an animal, to 48 hours later saying, it's racist to suggest it came from anything other than an animal.
00:08:50.800Right after their chat with Dr. Science, who later granted two of them nearly $10 million in grants.
00:09:03.660Did you communicate with the five scientists who wrote the opinion piece in Nature, where they were describing, oh, there's no way this could have come from the lab?
00:09:26.680Now you know you're going back to that original discussion when I brought together a group of people to look at every possibility with an open mind.
00:09:36.060So not only are you distorting it, you are completely turning it around, as you usually do.
00:09:40.920Were most of the scientists that came to you privately, did they come to you privately and say, no way, this came from the lab?
00:09:46.440Or was their initial impression, Dr. Gary and others that were involved, was their initial impression, actually, that it looked very suspicious for a virus that came from a lab?
00:09:55.300Senator, we are here at a committee to look at a virus now that has killed almost 900,000 people.
00:10:04.920And the purpose of the committee was to try and get things out, how we can help to get the American public.
00:10:12.200And you keep coming back to personal attacks on me that have absolutely no relevance to reality.
00:10:19.580How is it a personal attack to ask whether you did that with a virologist?
00:11:28.060He conspired with his boss at the NIH to smear these good doctors.
00:11:33.120Fauci and the NIH's Dr. Collins actually agreed to ensure a, quote, devastating takedown of these doctors who, unlike Fauci, actually specialize in epidemiology and vaccines.
00:11:46.320Sure enough, the compliant media did hit pieces on these doctors, making any approach other than lockdowns verboten to even discuss.
00:11:55.400The doctors have since filed a lawsuit over these smears.
00:11:58.200Senator Paul confronted Fauci about this as well.
00:12:02.880A planner who believes he is the science leads to an arrogance that justifies, in his mind, using government resources to smear and to destroy the reputations of other scientists who disagree with him.
00:12:14.900In an email exchange with Dr. Collins, you conspire, and I quote here directly from the email, to create a quick and devastating published takedown of three prominent epidemiologists from Harvard, Oxford, and Stanford.
00:12:30.360Apparently, there's a lot of fringe epidemiologists at Harvard, Oxford, and Stanford.
00:12:35.900Do you really think it's appropriate to use your $420,000 salary to attack scientists that disagree with you?
00:12:42.420I think in usual fashion, Senator, you are distorting everything about me.
00:12:48.260Did you ever object to Dr. Collins' characterization of them as fringe?
00:12:51.700Did you write back to Dr. Collins and say, no, they're not fringe, they're esteemed scientists, and it would be beneath me to do that?
00:12:57.760You responded to him that you would do it, and you immediately got an article in Wired, and you sent it back to him and said, hey, look, I've got them, I nailed them in Wired of all scientific publications.
00:13:06.400That's not what went on. There you go again. You just do the same thing every year.
00:13:11.060That was your response. And this wasn't the only time. So your desire to take down people...
00:13:16.740You're absolutely incorrect. As usual, Senator, you are incorrect almost everything you've said.
00:13:21.080Fauci worked hand-in-hand with the White House to encourage censorship on the tech platforms, not just of the great Barrington doctors, but of folks like the disinformation dozen, who raised questions about his precious vaccines, for example.
00:13:40.040Censorship, strong-arming, self-aggrandizing, bullying, that is who Dr. Fauci is.
00:13:45.960And as I said at the beginning, he's not the least bit sorry.
00:13:50.220As John Tierney, a City Journal contributing editor, recently put it, lockdowns and mask mandates were the most radical experiment in the history of public health.
00:13:58.900But Anthony Fauci recently said, there should have been much, much more stringent restrictions early in the pandemic.
00:14:08.120Fauci is indifferent to the harm that he helped cause.
00:14:12.740Listen to what he said yesterday, speaking to Neil Cavuto.
00:14:14.880In retrospect, do you regret that it went too far?
00:14:18.900Whatever your original intentions were, and it's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback here, but that it went too far, that particularly for kids who couldn't go to school except remotely, that it's forever damaged them.
00:14:32.800Well, I don't think it's forever irreparably damaged anyone.
00:14:50.420Fewer people were screened for cancer.
00:14:52.060They were too afraid to go out, or the cancer screening was closed.
00:14:56.000Deaths of despair went through the roof by the tens of thousands.
00:14:58.900The levels of anxiety, depression, and suicidal thoughts skyrocketed, not to mention what happened to our children, about whom he clearly does not give a damn.
00:15:09.920The learning loss, especially among poor kids.
00:15:14.000The suicidality of isolated teenagers, many of whom unfortunately succeeded in taking their own lives.
00:15:20.180The lack of language development and social skills in kids forced to mask for the better part of two years, all because they wore his symbol.
00:15:29.220Fatal car accidents went up thanks to substance abuse spikes.
00:15:33.540Tierney goes on in his reporting, quote, nearly 40 percent of workers in low income households lost their jobs during the spring, triple the rate in high income households like Fauci's.
00:15:44.040Thanks to you, by the way, you're paying his salary.
00:15:46.000Minority owned small businesses suffered more, too, during the spring when it was estimated that 22 percent of all small businesses closed, 32 percent of Hispanic owners, 41 percent of black owners shut down.
00:15:59.080The United States, Tierney goes on, will experience more than one million excess deaths during the next two decades as a result of the massive unemployment shock last year, citing a team of researchers from Johns Hopkins and Duke.
00:16:19.720All this as a Johns Hopkins University meta analysis of global studies found that lockdown and mask restrictions backed by that guy have had, quote, little to no effect on COVID-19 mortality.
00:16:38.300And now, now he's looking forward to his next chapter.
00:16:44.240As of a year ago, he hoped that next chapter would include billions in funding so he could work on new vaccines.
00:16:52.300We should pray this guy never gets near another grant or health group again in his life.
00:16:58.320He has destroyed the trust in public health.
00:17:01.760His decisions have hurt countless numbers of people.
00:17:04.740He did it all while posing on magazine covers and celebrating himself and his outsized ego while our kids were muzzled and missed years of school as we all missed funerals and weddings and the chance to say goodbye to loved ones on their deathbeds.
00:17:22.580And we did indeed suffer irreparable harm, sir, whether you care to admit it or not.
00:17:43.060She's editor of the children's book series Heroes of Liberty and a contributing writer at Deseret News and Carol Markowitz, who's a columnist for The New York Post.
00:17:50.880Both, like me, have been fired up about Fauci for years, in particular because of our children.
00:17:57.300Bethany, Carol, welcome back to the show.
00:18:04.100Yeah, I think you hit most of it, if not all of it.
00:18:08.380I think the only thing I would maybe add to that is that he was also extremely politicized and basically an operator of the Biden administration.
00:18:15.920He actually pushed for schools to stay closed if the Biden administration, like boondoggle spending bill, didn't get through because he said it just wouldn't be safe without that funding.
00:18:26.400And now, of course, that funding goes unspent because there's only so much money you can spend on masks and filtration systems that really don't do anything anyway.
00:18:47.040He's a politics launderer through science.
00:18:49.200Yeah, he has destroyed so much faith in public health.
00:18:52.960It will take a generation to re-earn it.
00:18:55.920And this is what happens when you watch your public health authorities brazenly playing politics and wanting more to get an invite to the Met Gala than than to actually do their jobs.
00:19:07.800You know, for the first several decades of his career, we had no idea who Anthony Fauci was and we were all better for it.
00:19:13.840And when he suddenly had the opportunity to be in the spotlight, he basked in his 15 minutes for over 15 months.
00:19:21.480And we are never going to see in our lifetimes a life that we can trust public health authorities in the CDC and the NIH ever again.
00:19:33.120And that's going to have ramifications that are both completely foreseeable and terrifyingly unforeseeable in the next few decades.
00:19:43.380The thing is, Carol, it's like he can sweepingly say no irreparable damage, but we lived it.
00:19:50.500I mean, we we I'll just spend a minute on the moms because I really think the moms are the reason that they the Democrats finally fell on the absurd mask mandates in the school.
00:20:01.040And in some cases, the Vax mandates in school, though, ours still has one Vax mandates right now at our schools, my boys school.
00:20:09.320They will be expelled when they turn 16 if they don't have the dumbass vaccine that they don't need because they're kids.
00:20:16.680And this vaccine doesn't prevent the spread of Omicron, which is the dominant variant.
00:20:20.220So far, we have not recognized the science.
00:20:22.280We're more in line with Dr. Integrity's view of it all.
00:20:25.420Right. OK, but the the the damage that was caused to our children, the day to day suffering that he won't do us the courtesy of even nodding to is infuriating.
00:20:36.200Yeah, I think you should ask your your kids school why they are so anti the CDC, because the CDC now says, of course, that the vaccine is we should treat vaccinated and unvaccinated people the same way, which the three of us were arguing all along.
00:20:51.040Yeah. Yeah. You know, I think it's going to do damage for a really long time.
00:20:54.880I think a lot of this is really just playing out right now.
00:20:58.740You know, we have Dr. Leanna Wen, who is a really severe COVID, you know, crazy person.
00:21:05.220I don't know if I can't think of a nicer way to say that.
00:21:08.920But you would go on CNN and she would say really insane things like we should, you know, have vaccine passports for domestic travel.
00:21:16.720And now she sort of reversed herself a little bit and she's gotten mellower and she's getting a ton of hate in the left.
00:21:24.240But yesterday she posted that her child has a speech delay issue because of due to masking.
00:21:30.260And which is, you know, listen, we all knew that people were going to come around to that point of view because we know how children operate.
00:21:36.540We knew what was going to happen. But, you know, Leanna Wen is going to get her kid help.
00:21:40.500She's going to get her kid everything that that kid needs.
00:21:42.900She's going to put him in speech therapy. She's going to get him all the assistance.
00:21:46.300I think about all the kids who listen to Leanna Wen the whole time that she was super for masking and are not going to get that help.
00:21:53.120And, you know, I think about all the people that I grew up with in Brooklyn and who just don't have those kinds of resources and don't have enough information to get their kids speech pathology help when, you know, this masking did so much damage to them.
00:22:05.860And I really hope that she understands that it was her who did this.
00:22:10.600It was her who forced this onto kids. And I wish all of them would face it and apologize.
00:22:15.300I'm glad she's coming around a little bit, but there's a long way to go.
00:22:18.700But there's no mea culpa, right? There's no mea culpa, Bethany, from her, from Fauci, from Walensky, from Collins, from any of them.
00:22:26.520And what's so infuriating about the speech language pathology and all of those things is that people like Leanna Wen and me who can pay out of pocket for therapy that was unmasked and uninterrupted during COVID, which is what I did.
00:22:41.360I spent thousands of dollars on different therapies for one of my kids.
00:22:44.320And because of the guidance, people like Fauci, if not Fauci himself, kids who required this assistance, who were eligible for it from a public standpoint, so, you know, you can go to your county or your state, they're still on Zoom.
00:23:36.120It was in a county and in a park that no longer have mask mandates.
00:23:41.980But they decided that the kids and only the kids in the summer camps had a mask mandate.
00:23:47.960So I would love to see a mea culpa, but I would also love to see people like Fauci and Leanna Nguyen and all of these public health COVIDians step up and say,
00:24:37.380Because they're going to sit on a bus, the same bus that's going to take them to school in the morning with the same kids where they don't have to wear a mask, where they don't have to be vaccinated.
00:24:44.620But then when they go on the field trip bus, they can't do it.
00:24:48.740They're holding on to the, they're clinging to Dr. Truth and his edicts, even as you point out, the CDC has quietly moved away from the very things.
00:25:07.120He recently, yeah, he recently stood up and said, the masks in schools have to come off.
00:25:12.780We cannot, we cannot keep on telling people, well, it's optional, it's recommended, yada, yada.
00:25:18.160We have to be really honest about the costs of masking and the fact that it's time for this stuff to stop or they're never going to stop.
00:25:27.900The vaccine mandates are never going to go away.
00:25:30.220The on and off masking in blue areas of this country are never going to go away.
00:25:33.940And I know that you have listeners who live in normal America, like where Carol lives in Florida, where she lives now, where she lives now, what are you talking about?
00:27:02.860She has been so exasperated by what's happened to her children in the New York City schools, public schools, which were locked for almost two years.
00:27:10.160And the restrictions were absolutely unbearable that she's now a registered Republican.
00:27:15.500I mean, she went from campaigning to now she's a registered Republican.
00:28:03.720But you don't just leave kids who are subjected to high crime areas idle with nothing to do, with no school, and with no pastimes, none of their favorite pastimes.
00:28:17.080And this mother is very open about what happened to her kid who was no longer able to play basketball and her frustrations about the whole situation.
00:38:25.020Over five decades, Fauci has helped save millions of lives that and not the shameful political targeting of him for doing his job should be his legacy.
00:38:41.560The haters have very good reason, Dan, for their for their antipathy towards this guy.
00:38:48.660And maybe if you were under 200, you would understand the ire of people like us, young mothers who have little ones to look out for, who unfortunately have been well too controlled by Fauci and Walensky.
00:39:08.000I am afraid of a witch hunt with what he recommended and all.
00:39:11.760I think that that goes down a road that leads to what happened at Mar-a-Lago.
00:39:16.340I think that, you know, people don't like him and we don't it doesn't necessarily help us to focus on our grievances, which are just and righteous and very fiery, even two and a half years later.
00:39:29.380But I do think that there should be an investigation about his involvement in gain of function.
00:39:33.900I think where it where it dips into the realm of of responsibility and causality and that is something that should be investigated, because if we want to prevent another covid-19, we have to get to the bottom of how this happened.
00:39:50.540And the lack of curiosity on the part of a very compliant media is astounding to me.
00:39:56.340Two and a half years later, after this virus that has turned every single human being's life upside down, there is not constant and a drumbeat of questions.
00:40:08.020How do we prevent it from happening again?
00:40:10.160We're just accepting this weird story about eating bats in a market.
00:40:16.080And it happened to be in the state like not it all beggars absolute belief that we're still pretending that all of this is not related, that it happened in Wuhan.
00:40:27.040I would like to see under the next Republican House and the next Republican White House a real serious investigation, including Anthony Fauci, of where this happened, where this happened, where it originated and who is responsible for it.
00:40:44.160And, you know, given the evidence that we have now, it's not look that question is not looking great for Anthony Fauci.
00:40:50.860You know, that bit about them refunding, I mean, again, funding EcoHealth Alliance.
00:40:57.940I got that from Josh Rogan, who posted the document.
00:42:00.260The reported plan, according to Politico, and we'll know for sure soon, is up to $20,000 of debt, quote, canceled for Pell Grant recipients, up to $10,000 for most other non-Pell borrowers.
00:42:15.420All relief would be limited to individuals earning under $125,000 or families earning less than $250,000.
00:42:22.600And the payment, the repayment of your loans pause is extended, going to be extended through the end of this year.
00:42:56.200You know, what really pisses me off here, and I hope the Republicans take the opportunity and do what the Democrats do by renaming this bill.
00:43:53.680Yeah, and it's I mean, for Republicans, it's a gift because there's so many people like like me who sacrificed an ideal college experience for a college experience that would incur as little debt as possible.
00:44:09.680I worked over 40 hours a week at two different jobs to get myself through college.
00:44:14.140I paid more than the minimum to get my loans paid off responsibly.
00:44:19.100High interest first and then the rest of the Pell Grants, you know, later on.
00:44:24.180It's a slap in the face to me and it's a slap in the face to most Americans.
00:44:28.540Only 37 percent of Americans have four year degrees.
00:44:33.240Only 13 percent of Americans have graduate degrees.
00:44:36.300And over half of the student loan debt is held by people with graduate degrees.
00:44:40.460So we are we are having the vast majority of Americans who did not go to college and who did not go to graduate school paying for graduate school loans of their neighbors.
00:44:52.220And so I've seen this meme going around and Republicans should just keep on beating the drum.
00:44:58.640Your plumber is playing for your lawyer's law school debt.
00:45:15.760And that's not to say that there are no solutions to this debt crisis.
00:45:18.560I think that we could talk about interest rate reduction.
00:45:21.620We could talk about lots of different, you know, debt relief programs that could hold schools responsible for handing out the loans instead of students.
00:45:34.880And what the Biden administration has chosen to do is hand out money from Americans like us to Americans who irresponsibly took out debt.
00:45:44.700And they're going to be right back where they started again, like Carol said, in 10 years.
00:45:49.540And by the way, Carol, two hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
00:45:52.800Why should the plumber have to pay off somebody who's making two hundred fifty?
00:45:56.000Why should you have to pay off their debt?
00:45:57.320Right. Yeah. It's really wild to me that this is the path that the Democrats are taking.
00:46:02.400They're literally saying that their their demographic, their voter base is very rich people who don't pay their loans.
00:46:09.060Like that's literally they're giving this money gift to their to their fans, to their base.
00:46:15.220And I don't know. I think that the handing out cash before an election is generally maybe something that shouldn't be allowed.
00:46:21.740But, you know, the Biden administration has done it in so many different ways at this point that I don't even know when we would cut off that money spigot for them.
00:46:28.260And it's also just like the idea that, you know, we're in a time of inflation crisis and this is happening like not everybody.
00:46:35.220You know, a lot of people are going to see that ten thousand dollars and go buy a new car and go buy, you know, new appliances or whatever.
00:46:45.780And I hope Republicans really run on this and make sure to do the right thing here.
00:46:51.520And of course, what's going to happen is all these colleges are going to raise their tuitions by ten thousand dollars.
00:46:55.500Of course. I mean, it's like, yeah, you can take it to the bank.
00:46:58.340That's how it works. Bethany and Carol, always a pleasure, ladies.
00:47:01.920Thanks for coming on. Thank you, Megan. Thank you.
00:47:04.640And remember, folks, you can find the Megan Kelly show live on Sirius XM Triumph Channel 111 every weekday at noon east and the full video show and clips by subscribing to our YouTube channel.
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00:47:17.460We're almost at five hundred thousand, which is great because we were at one hundred thousand this time last year.
00:47:22.520And we had great growth this year. Thanks to all of you.
00:48:25.220And what is most fascinating, I think, about this hour of victimhood from Megan and Serena is that it actually just shows that these are two of the most out of touch women in the world.
00:48:41.460The amount of privilege dripping off of these two women who still want to play the gender card, the race card, sit around and wallow in how they've been unfairly treated.
00:48:55.780This is where they're talking about Megan shares her middle school story about how Immaculate Heart taught her this feminist ideology, which has trickled down into nearly every aspect of her education.
00:49:08.660Here's her. And by the way, most of the podcast is Megan Markle talking about herself.
00:49:12.760Serena is just there as window dressing.
00:50:06.520Everything she says is an attempted but failed profundity.
00:50:12.700I just feel like I'm sitting in a Southern Californian coffee shop with two rich wives moaning about how terrible their lives are while about to walk back to their 20 million pound matches.
00:50:24.780Of course, that is what we're dealing with when it comes to Serena and Megan.
00:50:31.140Megan is that friend who always wants to steal the thunder.
00:50:37.100You know, you have that sort of conversation.
00:50:39.080You say, oh, my goodness, you're not going to believe what happened to me today.
00:50:42.380Wanting to have a little bit of empathy, a little bit of sympathy.
00:50:44.720And Megan Markle says, oh, my goodness, it happened to me, but it was much worse.
00:50:50.400And I dealt with it much better, Serena.
00:50:52.580There were literally moments, Megan, when Serena manages to utter about five words out of her mouth before Megan steps in.
00:50:59.880And she also has this very bizarre thing, given she is a princess.
00:51:03.620And you'd imagine most of the world knows by now that she's pretty damn famous just to prove to everyone how good friends she is with Serena Williams.
00:51:14.840And she told me she was evolving out of tense because, of course, she didn't retire, did she, Megan, even though that is exactly what she did do.
00:51:23.860And so the whole nearly hour long conversation is about as far removed, I think, from day to day life for most people in the world at the moment.
00:51:34.260Because let's be honest, things are pretty tough around the world.
00:51:37.740And these are two of the most privileged people in the world showing off their victimhood and talking a whole load of Southern Californian mumbo jumbo.
00:51:50.420And remember, Spotify, which has waited nearly two years for this podcast, has paid millions and millions of dollars for the privilege.
00:52:01.300Meanwhile, what is she talking about her ambition?
00:52:04.180A, I see no evidence of her ambition other than to marry well and become a princess.
00:52:09.820B, I think she's misunderstanding our true sentiments, our recoiling in response to her wokeness while she sits in a palace for something else, for some sort of feminist complaint.
00:53:03.200And it is about ambition on the social pecking order.
00:53:06.360Now, I actually make no judgment of that.
00:53:10.120But, you know, I was one of the reporters who broke a lot of stories around Meghan, including Megxit, when her and Harry decided to quit the royal family.
00:53:22.240And what you've got to remember, because this is really still a very untold part of her story, before she met Prince Harry and she was an actress in this drama suit.
00:53:33.140So, yeah, she was doing well, but she wasn't where she wanted to be.
00:54:28.200And I think it's a complete rewriting of history to say the reason that the British public turned against Meghan Markle was because of her ambition.
00:54:37.320It was because of the callous and manipulating way that she treated the Queen and trashed the royal family and claimed that there was a whole load of racists through the country who didn't accept her as a princess, which is just point blank untrue.
00:55:06.260Yes, it's absurd if she thinks she's going to be president of the United States.
00:55:09.640But I'm not criticizing her ambition in my belief that that's not going to happen.
00:55:13.960And I'm criticizing her lack of experience and intelligence.
00:55:18.220She doesn't seem particularly gifted in either department, and she should have no role anywhere near the Oval Office unless she's willing to go out and work for it.
00:55:25.800She actually needs to get a lot better experienced and better informed based on what she and her husband have said about things like our First Amendment and so on.
00:55:34.200So she, as you point out, the two, you know, incredibly privileged women decided to take this opportunity, which they knew everybody would be listening to, to complain about their lives and how hard they've had it and, you know, how bad it's been for Serena on the court.
00:55:48.100I mean, good God, could there have been any more Serena Williams covers on every magazine, not to mention Meghan Markle?
00:56:42.400The first being the reason Hawkeye became like a thing was because they were calling my balls out, and they weren't even close to the line.
00:57:00.840So she's probably worth a billion dollars, her endorsements and so on.
00:57:03.880And she's upset because they called some balls out when they weren't, which, by the way, she complained about at the time, and they later apologized.
00:57:11.340What this has to do with her gender, I don't know.
00:57:12.800This happens to every professional tennis player.
00:57:15.400Bad calls are made in sports all the time.
00:57:18.140What is the evidence that had to do with the fact that she was a woman, right?
00:57:21.960But for her to sit here, like, she has trauma because of her experience in U.S. tennis.
00:57:26.840She's literally one of the most famous women and richest women in the world because of her experience there.
00:57:32.560How on earth do we get to the point where this princess and this princess of tennis are sitting there asking us to feel sorry for them?
00:57:39.080I agree, Megan, but I thought that conversation was actually so telling.
00:57:45.780It was a window into the world of why these two women so often misread the public mood, because what are they doing there?
00:57:55.660They are embracing each other's victimhood.
00:58:00.220It is the commoditization of victimhood.
00:58:03.660It is the commercialization of victimhood.
00:58:06.000Because, of course, if you criticize Meghan Markle or you criticize Serena Williams or you disagree with something that they've done, it's nothing to do with the decision that they've made.
00:58:18.520And their heads, and they do talk about this in another part of the podcast, it's to do with the fact they are women and they are black women.
00:58:26.580And I thought it was just so telling that there was no potential to say, actually, did I have to be criticized?
00:58:39.240And the moment that Serena used the word trauma, doesn't she?
00:58:45.100Because, you know, she views herself as some sort of tin pot psychoanalyst.
00:58:49.580That's what Meghan thinks she is with her mates.
00:58:53.160And immediately she ran in and embraced that idea of trauma because Meghan believes that she was traumatized by the British royal family, by the British public, by the media.
00:59:07.180And again, I would just say it shows that they have no idea about how tough life actually is outside of their privileged bubble in Montezito.
00:59:16.580So she Serena is complaining that they accused her at one point of having a meltdown on the court and she believes they never said that kind of thing about her male competitors.
00:59:28.240I don't know what they I have not searched all of the reporting on John McEnroe and others, but I can tell you, Serena Williams, she did have some meltdowns.
01:00:04.140There she is smashing, smashing and then throwing.
01:00:06.540And Dan, I'm sorry, but who could forget the time she reamed out that line judge, the little female line judge, got in her face, screamed at her.
01:01:27.040I was sick and tired of these privileged women trying to play these cards all the time when, yes, I understand.
01:01:33.560I'm not saying Serena had an emotional moment that nobody's ever had.
01:01:36.780I'm just saying when it happens, own it and stop acting like it was because of what's between your legs or what's your melanin.
01:01:43.500But, Megan, there's actually something very sinister at play with this, because if you listen to the podcast, it becomes clear that both Serena and Megan believe that they should be immune from criticism.
01:02:00.180And actually, there's a point when they talk about Serena's recent retirement from the sport.
01:02:05.700And let's be clear, right, she's retired by the definition of the English language following the U.S. Open.
01:02:14.580And Megan praises her and says how absolutely brilliant it is that she refused to use that word.
01:02:20.760And instead, she says she's evolved away from the sport in a big magazine shoot with Vogue magazine organized by their mutual friend Anna Wintour.
01:02:29.180And they are actually wanting to deny the reality of the meaning of the word retirement.
01:02:37.820These privileged folk now believe they don't need the media to set their agenda.
01:02:42.400They think they are powerful enough to use social media, to use willing victims like Spotify and Netflix, who I think are paying far too much money for really crap content,
01:02:52.900to be able to present to the world a fairy tale, which doesn't take into account the good parts of their lives and the bad parts of their lives.
01:03:16.340And that's the difference with Serena and Megan.
01:03:19.460They believe they should not be criticized simply because of their sex, simply because of their color of the skin.
01:03:26.740I actually think it's so backward and it sends such a bad message to young black women, because what it's saying, actually, is that we're different.
01:03:37.740We should be treated differently because of our innate characteristics, which goes completely against the Martin Luther King Jr.
01:04:46.720She married a rich guy who's very famous and part of the royal family.
01:04:49.500She's done nothing other than acting a bee.
01:04:51.760I actually completely agree with you there, Megan.
01:04:53.900I came away from the podcast actually thinking Serena was someone who could take criticism, who was a bit more in touch with the real world.
01:05:06.380Megan, on the other hand, no, Cloud Cookie Land.
01:05:38.580You know, I mean, honestly, like other than being Howie Mandel's backup suitcase girl, she really hasn't accomplished much much in her life except for marrying well.
01:05:45.920And even that is very subject to debate.
01:05:48.320So she does inject a story about little Archie, her son with Prince Harry into this into this podcast.
01:05:56.840And now this is making a bunch of news because you would think that little Archie was basically in the towering inferno.
01:06:04.600The way the way this story goes down already.
01:06:08.800There's been a lot of pushback on her talking about their trip to South Africa and what allegedly happened with their baby.
01:07:39.320I was like, can you just tell people what happened?
01:07:42.580And so much, I think, optically, the focus ends up being on how it looks instead of how it feels.
01:07:49.140And part of the humanizing and the breaking through of these labels and these archetypes and these boxes that we're put into
01:07:54.360is having some understanding on the human moments behind the scenes that people might not have any awareness of and to give each other a break.
01:08:13.340I mean, this actually made me so angry on so many levels, Megan, because firstly, the idea that Markle and Harry are innocent victims who are going to be pushed around and do anything they don't want to do is baloney, complete baloney.
01:08:33.720I mean, I knew all of the people who were working for Harry and Meghan at that point.
01:08:38.820And believe me, if Harry and Meghan didn't want to do something, they didn't do it.
01:08:43.740There were so many ways you can get around a situation like that.
01:08:47.120Meghan could have come down with a stomach bug and would have been allowed to stay at home.
01:08:51.640So this idea that the evil royal family forced her to go and do something she didn't want to do in a time of trauma, quote, unquote, trauma, rubbish.
01:09:01.240But let's get to the actual nub of the argument, right?
01:09:05.660Maybe little Archie had a near miss, but he wasn't in that room.
01:09:13.760So even if a fire had broken out in that room, the nanny would have immediately removed him from the room.
01:09:20.040The reality is Archie was not at serious risk.
01:09:22.960None of the journalists who were on the tour heard a thing about an apparent fire where Harry and Meghan were staying.
01:09:31.240And again, there are hundreds of journalists on that tour.
01:09:34.360It's all very curious, especially given we know Markle's track record in terms of telling little porky pies in interviews.
01:09:43.040But all of that aside, Meghan, again, to me, this is about the delusion of Miss Markle.
01:09:49.440Well, the idea that she should have a God-given right not to go to work after something terrible nearly happens.
01:09:58.200Well, that's not a right that you have if you work at a supermarket checkout, if you're a receptionist at a doctor's, if you're a brain surgeon.
01:10:09.360You have a responsibility to wider society, to get out there and work whenever you possibly can.
01:10:15.700But this idea that Meghan thinks she shouldn't have had to do that and let lots of people down in South Africa, who, by the way, the people who she was seeing on that tour were in the most appalling conditions.
01:10:29.660I mean, in the most terrible poverty, just shows you what Meghan is in this for.
01:11:03.440We've seen enough to have made our judgment.
01:11:05.400And we don't really care that you're perfectly healthy baby who was never in any trouble, had something that may or may not have happened, because, as you point out, that would have been a huge scoop for one of these reporters to find out that the baby Archie was nearly, you know, in a fire.
01:11:21.980OK, that would have been a huge news story.
01:12:18.640Even after the death of her husband, Meghan, the darkest moment in her life, the queen was determined to return to her public engagements because she knows her job is not about her.
01:12:34.620And that's, of course, why Meghan was never going to like it in the royal family, because it was all about a greater cause than increasing the brand awareness of a certain Meghan Markle.
01:12:48.820But come on, let's just think for a moment as well.
01:12:53.360We're not talking about someone going to spend 12 hours behind the fry vat at McDonald's.
01:12:59.760She was going in a chauffeured limousine to spend a very short amount of time around members of the South African public, who she claims that she cares so much about, before being driven back in a chauffeured-driven limousine to another very expensive new accommodation, where she would have her every wish and whim dealt with by all of her stuff, Meghan.
01:13:27.600You know, royal servants, essentially, who are there to serve her.
01:13:32.620So I'm sorry if I can't feel a scintilla of sympathy.
01:13:37.400Yeah, it's not like it actually happened.
01:13:39.800I understand there were a few minutes of high stress when somebody told you there was a fire in the baby's room.
01:15:04.200Dan's got a new column up right now at the Daily Mail talking about how Harry, not Harry, William, the heir, is doing something very, very different than Prince Charles did with him.
01:15:35.200So Prince William and his wife, Princess Kate, are making a decision on how to raise their children and where to live that caught a lot of people by surprise.
01:15:44.040What are they doing and why does it matter?
01:15:46.140Well, I think it matters because it's the 25th anniversary of Princess Diana's death next week.
01:15:52.500And both Prince Harry and Prince William, in their own ways, and yes, they are very contrasting ways, are determined to honor their mother's legacy when it comes to the raising of their children.
01:16:06.440And, of course, Prince William has a future king to raise.
01:16:09.620And what he's decided to do is move the family out of London.
01:16:16.580They're going to live for the first time without any staff, without a nanny.
01:16:23.240I mean, the royals like to call these mansions cottages, but it's a four-bedroom cottage just down the road from the Queen within the grounds of Windsor Castle.
01:16:30.900But what it allows Prince William to do is take the children to school and pick the children up from school.
01:16:38.440And, again, some people would say that's pretty normal.
01:16:43.620Some can't, depending on what work they do.
01:16:46.700But with Prince William, there is a much deeper reason behind it, which I've been investigating for the Mail Online, DailyMail.com, with lots of friends of William.
01:16:56.340And what he's very clear about is, for him, this is an overarching mission to be a better dad than his own father, Prince Charles.
01:17:21.240he isn't happy with the way that Prince Charles prioritised his duty over fatherhood in the years after Princess Diana's death.
01:17:31.840He feels like Prince Charles was an absent dad.
01:17:35.280He wasn't there for the big moments in his life.
01:17:38.800He wasn't there to pick him up from school.
01:17:41.440So Prince William is making a really interesting decision to prioritise family life at a time when he's actually been expected to pick up far more royal duties,
01:17:53.440because the Queen, God bless her, and you know Megan, and lots of people say I'm delusional,
01:17:59.440but I think we've got her for another couple of decades.
01:18:01.960We need her for a couple of more decades, because the idea of Prince Charles on the throne and as king gives me shoves, really, if I'm going to be completely honest.
01:18:16.300It's not a surprise, given her age, but there is an increasing growing feeling within the royal family that transition is just around the corner.
01:18:27.160Of course, it's unspoken, but we didn't see her when she went to her summer home in Scotland, Balmoral, just a couple of weeks ago, and that's unprecedented.
01:18:39.120We haven't seen her for a number of weeks.
01:18:42.120There are lots of rumours about the state of her health out of respect for the Queen.
01:18:47.000I'm not going to talk about the details of what I know.
01:18:50.600I don't think that's fair, and she is very clear, and the people around her are very clear that her health should not be speculated on.
01:18:59.320But the point is, transition in the royal family is close.
01:19:03.840It's going to be a seismic moment, and by setting himself up at Windsor, Prince William is saying,
01:19:10.600I'm going to put family first, but I'm also going to be there for the Queen, probably in her final years,
01:19:17.400which I think is sweet, because remember, Prince Harry and Meghan were meant to be there,
01:19:21.940and they packed their bags to California.
01:19:25.020Yeah, they peaced out because Meghan wanted to live in a mansion in Montecito,
01:19:29.180and so William and Kate move 10 minutes walking distance from where the Queen is living,
01:19:33.940in what is the twilight, at least, of her life.
01:19:38.280So Prince Charles will take over when the Queen passes, and how old is he now?
01:19:45.140Oh my goodness, he's over 70 now, so he's healthy.
01:19:51.140This is the reason that he's focused so much on living a clean and healthy life,
01:19:57.420because he knew he had to stay healthy in order to take the throne.
01:20:01.400But that's why the anniversary of Diana's death is incredibly awkward for Prince Charles Meghan.
01:20:07.700There is a major bombshell new TV series being broadcast over here at the moment,
01:20:14.360and it investigates all of the conspiracy theories around Diana's death,
01:20:19.200which you might be aware have started to explode on the social media site for young people, TikTok,
01:20:26.760because lots of people, lots of these young kids on TikTok didn't know the story of Princess Diana.
01:20:32.580So there's now a big industry around conspiracy theories about Princess Diana's death on TikTok.
01:20:39.360And, of course, a lot of folk are looking at what happened back in the 90s and thinking,
01:20:46.920goodness me, this doesn't look good for Prince Charles,
01:20:49.960because, of course, there was the famous note, the infamous note, the notorious note,
01:20:54.600written by Princess Diana, revealed to the world by her personal assistant, Paul Burrell,
01:21:01.960where she says, I think my husband's going to kill me in a car accident.