The Megyn Kelly Show - GOP's 2023 Election Fails, Garland's Hunter Biden Lies, and Trump's Trials Helping Him in 2024, with Stu Burguiere and Dave Marcus ｜ Ep. 665

00:00:00.520 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.000 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.260 Democrats are elated and Republicans, again, have some soul searching to do and some strategizing to do and a lot to do.

00:00:25.340 Following an election day that went heavily blue, Democrats won key battles in states like Ohio, Virginia and Kentucky, sensing a theme there with abortion, a top area of concern for voters.

00:00:40.700 Republicans suggest that or reports suggest that Democrats also made big gains in local elections, including school boards.

00:00:49.240 I'm sorry, but that's a nightmare. That's that's a nightmare.

00:00:52.660 That's how we've gotten into a lot of this trouble with the indoctrination of our children.

00:00:57.540 And what sane person is trying to get more Democrats on school boards right now?

00:01:00.980 Truly, who who's doing that?

00:01:04.020 The question now is, what does this mean for 2024 and what are the Republicans going to do?

00:01:08.160 Do they seem like a group that's got their act together and really is going to now coalesce to turn things around?

00:01:14.740 So, OK, back to the you can be a Democrat, you can be a Republican or you can be with me in what's dire well called the I want to puke party.

00:01:23.040 Come on in. The water's fine. We're going to have to do something.

00:01:26.440 Exit polls show that voters are not thrilled about the prospect of four more years of President Biden,

00:01:31.740 but they don't seem to want another Trump administration either, including in Ohio.

00:01:38.440 The voters are saying that in Ohio. What the hell is happening?

00:01:42.200 Right. We just saw that massive New York Times Siena poll showing Trump crushing, crushing Biden in five of the critical six swing states.

00:01:49.840 But when you drill down, you go to places like Ohio, which is supposed to be not really so swingy anymore.

00:01:54.360 It's supposed to be red like the screen behind me.

00:01:56.820 They say we don't really want him. Could you please give us somebody else?

00:02:01.000 Well, is the Republican Party about to do that? Not from the look of it.

00:02:05.220 Speaking for of the way, the race for the White House, the Republican non-Trump candidates are participating in another presidential debate tonight,

00:02:14.120 hosted by NBC News here to break all of this down for us.

00:02:18.440 Stu Bergeer, host of Stu Does America and David Marcus, columnist for the Daily Mail and other outlets.

00:02:24.000 Stu and Dave, welcome back to the show.

00:02:26.820 Look, this was a terrible night for Republicans.

00:02:29.600 I've seen a lot of Republicans out there saying, oh, you know, it's not that bad.

00:02:33.260 Here's some silver linings. It was a bad night.

00:02:35.980 That Virginia loss for Governor Youngkin was significant.

00:02:39.920 It wasn't a landslide, but he lost.

00:02:41.980 Not only did he gain, not did he not gain control in the Virginia Senate, he lost the Virginia House.

00:02:47.660 The pundits had been expecting him to emerge with both under Republican control and have such a victory, Ron DeSantis-like,

00:02:56.480 that he might actually catapult into the 2024 race as the underdog savior.

00:03:00.600 Not happening.

00:03:01.920 So Youngkin is kind of done.

00:03:03.720 He's certainly done for 2024, and he may be done beyond that because he didn't look at DeSantis actually did make that happen down in Florida,

00:03:11.060 and he's struggling in the current race.

00:03:13.400 So that's one thing.

00:03:14.660 They've lost a savior in the Republican Party.

00:03:16.800 And then you go down the list, like Daniel Cameron, rising star in Kentucky, this completely winsome.

00:03:25.640 Rich Lowry loves that word, but it's very fitting here.

00:03:29.220 Candidate sort of could be the next generation Republican attorney general lost to the incumbent Democrat,

00:03:36.040 notwithstanding his overreaches on COVID that they did not make that Democratic governor incumbent pay.

00:03:43.320 They kept Daniel Cameron out, notwithstanding a Trump endorsement, all of it.

00:03:48.740 Even the Bridgeport mayor race, which we've been following here, where the cheater, the alleged cheater,

00:03:56.580 who stuffed the absentee ballot boxes, or at least some Democratic operatives did,

00:04:01.780 to the point where a court said, we can't accept you as the Democratic nominee.

00:04:05.960 It certainly appears you've cheated, but it's too late to stop you from being the Democratic nominee in the general election ballot.

00:04:12.180 But he was losing last night to his Democratic opponent, who had seemed to win the primary fair and square

00:04:19.220 until the other guy or his supporters cheated with the absentee ballots.

00:04:23.260 And guess what happened?

00:04:24.780 Late at night, the absentee ballots came in again and once again put the alleged cheater over the top for the second time.

00:04:33.280 I, it's like, I have no faith in our electoral system and I have no faith in the Republican Party to turn any of this around.

00:04:44.260 I have no faith in Republicans to come up with a winning message in the wake of Dobbs,

00:04:48.620 which overturned Roe versus Wade, which continues to haunt them at every single election.

00:04:53.780 So I feel not optimistic today.

00:04:57.580 Back to, I want to puke.

00:04:59.940 How about you guys?

00:05:02.280 Well, first of all, Megan, I moved out of Connecticut, so I would never have to think about Bridgeport again.

00:05:06.920 So that is largely why I'm in Texas in the first place.

00:05:10.600 But, you know, I mean, you look at this across the board, you're right.

00:05:13.960 Obviously not a good night for Republicans.

00:05:15.580 The problems were sort of different, I think, in all these scenarios.

00:05:18.880 I mean, in Kentucky, Beshear is just oddly pretty popular there.

00:05:23.080 He has really good numbers going into a re-election, even in a state that obviously is red and Joe Biden has no real chance of winning when it comes to 2024.

00:05:32.020 Wait a minute, though.

00:05:32.840 Don't you can't dismiss abortion in Kentucky? 0.67

00:05:36.100 No, I'm not dismissing it.

00:05:37.540 I mean, I think, look, abortion is I mean, I focus more on that on on the Ohio explanation, I think.

00:05:43.040 But I think it is there, too.

00:05:44.340 But it was big in Kentucky, big.

00:05:46.420 The incumbent ran trying to say Daniel Cameron is an extremist.

00:05:51.480 Daniel Cameron, rising star who I just mentioned, ran and said, I will support the law allowing no abortions, even for and no exceptions on the ban, even for rape or incest. 0.87

00:06:05.320 So that turned out to be a massive loser.

00:06:07.760 I think we've got the ad that Beshear, the governor, the incumbent governor, ran on over and over and over in Kentucky from this young woman who had survived a rape by a stepfather and found herself pregnant.

00:06:24.620 Watch this. 0.96

00:06:25.080 I was raped by my stepfather after years of sexual abuse. 0.99

00:06:31.240 I was 12. 0.97

00:06:32.560 Anyone who believes there should be no exceptions for rape and incest could never understand what it's like to stand in my shoes.

00:06:39.720 This is to you, Daniel Cameron. 0.98

00:06:42.060 To tell a 12 year old girl she must have the baby of her stepfather who raped her is unthinkable.

00:06:48.460 I'm speaking out because women and girls need to have options. 0.99

00:06:52.560 Daniel Cameron would give us none.

00:06:55.080 That is devastating.

00:06:58.260 And she was thanked by the Democratic incumbent governor, Bashir, in his victory speech.

00:07:05.920 The Republican Party, I understand it's a pro-life party.

00:07:09.140 They are too extreme for the voters.

00:07:11.840 That's irrespective of how any of us may feel on the life choice issue.

00:07:16.340 They are too extreme for the voters, even in states like Kentucky.

00:07:21.200 And they're going to keep losing unless they come to that realization.

00:07:26.700 This is going to be a gradual fight that they're going to have to win bit by bit.

00:07:30.580 They cannot win by saying no abortions and no exceptions. 1.00

00:07:35.640 It's a fucking loser. 1.00

00:07:37.220 Sorry. 1.00

00:07:37.960 Keep going still.

00:07:38.660 No, I mean, look, I think there you have some valid points there in when it comes to politics.

00:07:44.880 This isn't necessarily the most popular issue, you know, but I mean, I'll give you the example of Virginia's is an interesting one in that they ran there on a 15 week ban.

00:07:54.840 A 15 week ban is pretty popular, actually, when you poll it.

00:07:58.660 It is a it's a it's a thing that is approved by over two thirds of voters.

00:08:02.960 When you look at that as an individual thing, individual item, and it did not succeed there either.

00:08:07.720 No, it's OK.

00:08:08.180 I'm going to give you back the floor and we're going to bring Dave to Dave in, too.

00:08:10.860 But there it was a different problem.

00:08:13.340 Yes.

00:08:14.000 There they said, Youngkin said, we're going to lean into the 15 week ban for for once.

00:08:17.760 He had a Republican who said, I see this coming at me.

00:08:20.200 I saw what happened in 2022 post jobs.

00:08:22.480 I'm going to lead.

00:08:23.340 I'm going to say the Republicans in this state are going to are OK with a 15 week band band.

00:08:28.600 And there was about a 50 50 split on it amongst the Virginia electorate.

00:08:32.660 It wasn't hugely polling against him or for him on 15 weeks.

00:08:36.620 Happens to be where most of the country is.

00:08:39.260 But the Democrats in Virginia ran dishonest ad after dishonest ad.

00:08:45.960 And the Republicans were outspent.

00:08:48.080 We have one of the ads lying about the GOP position.

00:08:51.800 This, I believe, clearly resonated with the voters down there.

00:08:55.100 Here it is.

00:08:55.920 I want you to hear what Tara Durant supports.

00:08:58.580 Tara Durant supports letting Virginia ban abortions with no exceptions.

00:09:03.980 Durant says doctors who disagree with her laws should be in jail.

00:09:08.640 She supports letting Virginia force a 10 year old rape victim to carry to term.

00:09:14.440 Tara Durant is extreme. 0.53

00:09:16.420 Terrifying too much.

00:09:18.180 They cannot elect Tara Durant.

00:09:23.700 These were everywhere or everywhere in Virginia, not just about her across the board.

00:09:29.400 And so I think in Virginia it was, again, abortion played a big role, but it was a messaging issue.

00:09:36.520 They were outspent and they were out messaged.

00:09:38.460 Go ahead, Stu.

00:09:38.820 Yeah, I mean, I think they lied like crazy in Ohio, too.

00:09:42.780 I mean, look at the wording of the amendment that went down.

00:09:46.020 It brought in things like contraception and miscarriage care and all of these other unrelated items that people looked at.

00:09:55.300 I mean, if you were a voter that didn't follow this that closely, I think you'd look at that Ohio thing and say, wow, they're trying to ban contraception.

00:10:01.480 Of course, I don't want them to do that.

00:10:03.540 I think they do this all over the country and they do it to positive effect when it comes to politics.

00:10:08.380 It's probably going to work in a lot of states.

00:10:11.140 Yes, I think it is.

00:10:12.380 They're very good at it.

00:10:13.560 Yeah, they're very good at it.

00:10:14.740 And this is something this is really the only thing to run on.

00:10:17.200 Right.

00:10:17.300 They can't run on the Joe Biden record.

00:10:18.740 They're looking at abortion as their get out of jail free card.

00:10:21.320 The New York Times, Seattle poll.

00:10:22.740 This is literally the only thing that Biden's beating Trump on when it comes to the issues.

00:10:26.620 He's crushing him on immigration, on the economy, of course, on international affairs.

00:10:33.780 But abortion was the one thing in which Joe Biden had a nine point advantage.

00:10:39.500 Democracy, he had a three point advantage as well.

00:10:41.420 But when you say it's the only thing that they're making.

00:10:43.720 So, yes, you're right.

00:10:44.980 And unfortunately for Republicans, it's a huge thing to the voters.

00:10:49.580 I agree.

00:10:50.720 What I will say, though, is, you know, it's a tough issue.

00:10:53.380 I have some sympathy for the Republican Party politically here is because, look, it's something

00:10:58.340 that they believe.

00:10:59.020 It's something that I believe.

00:11:00.540 And frankly, like if it means losing some elections to protect the lives of children,

00:11:04.620 I'm pretty willing to go down that road.

00:11:06.800 And I know, Megan, I know you're I know.

00:11:09.180 I think.

00:11:09.500 But I don't know how many people, you know, if the Republican Party cares about lives,

00:11:13.640 how about all the lives are being lost on the border right now because they can't get

00:11:16.240 Republicans in office to set things straight.

00:11:18.620 Every issue comes at the expense of another issue.

00:11:21.380 Of course.

00:11:21.840 The for 30 years, 50, 50 years, the Republicans have been saying that abortion is a state's

00:11:27.200 issue.

00:11:27.500 It's a state's issue.

00:11:28.420 It's a state's issue.

00:11:29.680 Well, now it's becoming a state's issue.

00:11:32.000 Now it should be a laboratory.

00:11:33.220 The states and states are going to have to make up their own minds.

00:11:35.460 And Republicans are going to have to take the pulse of their own electorate state by

00:11:39.240 state and figure out where they are and be realistic and where they're out message and

00:11:44.960 out spent in places like Virginia, where their message is getting completely befuddled and

00:11:49.760 messed up.

00:11:50.380 They're going to have to fight harder.

00:11:51.460 But the thing is, Dave, I care about abortion. 0.81

00:11:55.360 I care about all these issues.

00:11:56.820 But abortion is becoming the single issue that is forcing Republicans to lose state after

00:12:02.080 state, election after election.

00:12:03.960 And how the hell are these Republicans who are so pro-life ever going to get any of their

00:12:08.140 agenda elected from the cheap seats outside of the state houses?

00:12:12.920 Listen, I think clearly the messaging needs to change.

00:12:16.560 And I and, you know, I'm very pro-life Catholic.

00:12:19.200 I don't think that there should be any abortion.

00:12:23.560 But you're right.

00:12:24.620 It's about what the voters think.

00:12:26.600 And that message is clearly too harsh right now for the electorate.

00:12:30.440 But I got to be honest with you, Republicans were having down ballot problems before the

00:12:36.460 Dobbs decision.

00:12:37.520 And I do think that I do think that we need to think about Donald Trump's leadership of

00:12:43.620 the Republican Party.

00:12:44.600 You know, I was thinking about Barack Obama.

00:12:46.180 And I have this theory that there's two kinds of presidents, right?

00:12:49.740 There's cult of personality presidents and managers.

00:12:52.840 In the last hundred years, the cult of personality presidents were FDR, JFK, Reagan, Obama, and

00:12:58.360 Trump.

00:12:59.240 I roughly wrote, I roughly described this as like, you could walk into somebody's house

00:13:03.700 while they're president and there's a picture of them, right?

00:13:06.880 Nobody, you never walk into anybody's house in 1996 and there's a big picture of Bill Clinton,

00:13:10.860 right?

00:13:11.020 That just would have been weird.

00:13:11.940 People don't have that kind of like personal investment.

00:13:15.900 When you look at Barack Obama's record on down ballot races, it's atrocious.

00:13:21.500 During his eight years, the Democrats went from 59 to 48 Senate seats.

00:13:26.160 They lost 62 house seats.

00:13:27.600 They lost 958 seats in state legislatures.

00:13:32.300 And I don't have the complete explanation for it, but Donald Trump, as the head of the

00:13:38.500 Republican Party, seems to have a similar problem where there are these people who love

00:13:43.680 him.

00:13:44.200 They'll go out and vote for him, but it doesn't seem to result in down ballot victories.

00:13:50.540 And it's something that the GOP is going to have to deal with because even if he manages

00:13:55.040 to win in 2024 without the Senate, without the House, without the state legislatures, it's

00:14:00.980 really not going to matter.

00:14:02.420 So that's got to get figured out.

00:14:04.120 It's a problem.

00:14:05.880 He'll get nothing done if he doesn't win down ballot.

00:14:08.140 Remember when he came into office, he was a lift in 2016 and then never again, not in

00:14:13.900 19, not in 20, not in 22, not in this off year 23.

00:14:18.180 And so what would a Donald Trump who didn't have control of the Congress be able to get

00:14:23.060 through?

00:14:23.440 Does he seem like much of a negotiator?

00:14:25.080 I know he's a dealmaker.

00:14:26.200 He's been a dealmaker in New York City.

00:14:27.520 The current version of Donald Trump, he's going to reach across the aisle and make deals

00:14:31.580 with Democrats.

00:14:32.320 Did they seem like they would do that with Donald Trump?

00:14:34.720 I don't know, Stu, but back on what happened last night, to me, this is Republicans just

00:14:40.900 have to keep keep learning the same message over and over and over.

00:14:44.080 Like, I appreciate Youngkin trying, trying that we're going to take something that's reasonable.

00:14:48.060 We're going to try to push it back at and own it.

00:14:50.640 It failed because they didn't spend enough money and they didn't fight those ads badly and

00:14:55.180 hard, hard enough.

00:14:56.320 Like you, you have to flood the field.

00:14:58.860 Everybody there has to know that it's a lie.

00:15:01.080 You know, they, they had a candidate running in Virginia for one of the state house positions

00:15:04.660 who was an OBGYN who was out there being very open about like, look, here's what's reasonable.

00:15:09.560 15 weeks makes sense to me.

00:15:11.140 I've delivered babies at 24 weeks and you can't be aborting a 22 week old or 24 week old baby.

00:15:18.220 Like, let's, let's come up with something that makes sense lost like the, because just

00:15:23.540 the messaging was so blanket and Virginia has turned more and more blue and the more

00:15:27.560 blue these States turn, the harder it's going to be to unblue-ify them.

00:15:33.900 That's very true.

00:15:34.860 And I, you know, to your point on, on money, it's funny, like watching the mainstream media

00:15:38.840 coverage of this election.

00:15:40.000 This is the first election I can remember in quite a long time that didn't talk about

00:15:43.000 evil billionaires buying elections.

00:15:45.240 Why?

00:15:46.280 Well, the Democrats outspent them in every single one of these races over and over and

00:15:51.480 over again.

00:15:52.300 So that was a huge part of this.

00:15:54.440 It's the messaging is hard and I'm, I'm right.

00:15:57.580 I agree with you.

00:15:58.540 They're not doing a good job with it as, as is usual with Republicans, but the messaging

00:16:02.800 is hard.

00:16:03.260 I mean, the 15 week ban, for example, which again is a policy when tested individually is

00:16:08.460 relatively popular nationwide.

00:16:11.080 It allows about 97% of abortions to go forward.

00:16:14.540 And it's like, if you're a pro-life party, I understand the politics of it and they're

00:16:19.180 very difficult.

00:16:19.880 And I think the only way you win this long-term is not with changes of the law, but by changing

00:16:23.420 people's hearts.

00:16:24.340 I do think that that's the long-term solution.

00:16:26.500 But if you're going to say you're a pro-life party and your, your line is I'm going to allow 0.99

00:16:31.020 97% of abortions.

00:16:33.100 That doesn't sound all that pro-life to me.

00:16:35.620 I don't care.

00:16:36.580 You, you have to take, it's a bit by bit process.

00:16:40.280 You cannot have the whole loaf.

00:16:42.740 You've got to have a slice today and a slice tomorrow and a mass power and try to persuade

00:16:47.920 people.

00:16:49.000 And then maybe you'll get to the point where it's a truly pro-life country and a truly pro-life

00:16:53.780 culture.

00:16:54.280 We're not there.

00:16:56.580 And you can't run for office pretending that we are.

00:16:59.420 Go ahead, Dave.

00:17:00.200 But we can, we, we also need a more competent ground game.

00:17:03.500 And quite frankly, we need Republican donors to be paying for TV ads, not for Donald Trump's

00:17:12.320 legal bills.

00:17:14.000 Look, Rona McDaniel has had a chance now in several election cycles. 1.00

00:17:20.120 It's not working out.

00:17:21.140 I'm not saying it's her fault.

00:17:22.600 I don't know, but it's not working out.

00:17:25.860 And much like the Biden administration that just keeps failing and failing and failing

00:17:30.120 and nobody ever gets fired and nothing ever changes, the RNC is really starting to look

00:17:35.540 like that.

00:17:36.500 Something has to change.

00:17:37.980 The ground game needs to get much better.

00:17:40.160 The messaging needs to get much better from the top to the bottom.

00:17:44.480 And I think if we don't see significant changes in the Republican Party over the next year,

00:17:50.320 then I'm with you.

00:17:51.420 I'm not feeling terribly optimistic about where this all goes.

00:17:54.960 Okay, but wait, as much as I'd love to blame the RNC for all these problems and just, you

00:18:01.140 know, get somebody else to do it and then everything would be cured.

00:18:04.020 There's a bigger question.

00:18:05.920 Eric Erickson tweeted about it today.

00:18:07.380 He's been very, he's been very thoughtful, I think, on this whole issue all along.

00:18:10.840 This is what he tweeted.

00:18:11.600 I'd love to get your reactions.

00:18:13.120 He writes, the GOP is no longer a national party.

00:18:16.180 It is a collection of disparate regional parties.

00:18:19.820 In some areas, the party wins by being tied to Trump.

00:18:22.980 In some, it loses by being tied to him.

00:18:24.960 What wins in pro-Trump areas and what wins in anti-Trump areas are incompatible, which

00:18:30.180 means the party's coalition is unstable and unworkable nationally.

00:18:33.860 It allows the Democrats, if they are more united, to win nationally against a party divided

00:18:37.840 against itself, whose base is chiefly motivated to funding and voting for one man and not the

00:18:44.460 party or other candidates.

00:18:46.660 The candidates is the cause.

00:18:48.840 The candidate is the cause.

00:18:50.480 Whereas for Democrats right now, the cause is the candidate embodied in whoever's name

00:18:55.320 happens to be on the ballot.

00:18:56.960 I got to tell you that that sings to me, Stu, that every word of that sings to me and sounds

00:19:02.460 exactly right.

00:19:03.860 Yeah.

00:19:04.000 It's so fascinating to watch because I think, look, there are some people who absolutely

00:19:08.460 love Donald Trump more than anything in the world.

00:19:10.480 There's so many people that hate Donald Trump more than anything in the world.

00:19:14.160 But at the end of the day, who has proven that they can run like Donald Trump that isn't

00:19:20.120 named Donald Trump?

00:19:21.740 Who has proven with any success level whatsoever?

00:19:24.980 Vivek Ramaswamy is trying to be a mini me.

00:19:28.600 He is.

00:19:29.420 And he's at five percent currently in the polls for the Republican nomination.

00:19:34.120 I don't know.

00:19:34.760 Like, you know, there might be a path for somebody to do this.

00:19:37.180 Maybe at some point someone will figure it out.

00:19:38.800 But you went over the electoral results over the past few elections.

00:19:42.560 Largely what has happened is Republicans have decided to run mostly Trump like candidates

00:19:47.060 to try to see if they can recreate the Trump magic.

00:19:49.340 And if everyone everyone disagrees on Donald Trump across the country, one thing you can

00:19:54.400 agree on is he's a pretty unique dude.

00:19:56.680 This guy has some magical ability with certain people to do certain things that others can't

00:20:02.420 pull off.

00:20:02.980 And if the Republican Party is just going to turn into a Trump party, I got news for you.

00:20:07.920 Donald Trump, he's not a spring chicken.

00:20:09.580 He's not going to be around forever.

00:20:10.740 His max output here is four more years as president.

00:20:13.840 You better have another plan because it's not shown to work in any other context except

00:20:18.780 one presidential election, 2016, didn't work in 2020, hasn't worked in any of the midterm

00:20:23.480 elections, hasn't worked with any of the other candidates.

00:20:25.620 It's not really a long-term winning strategy.

00:20:28.000 There was one bright spot yesterday, and I think that it speaks to Eric's point.

00:20:33.780 Much like 2022, the biggest bright spot for Republicans was New York.

00:20:39.180 Republicans, you know, picked up some seats in the legislature.

00:20:43.380 They did well, right?

00:20:44.800 They did extremely well in 2022.

00:20:47.140 In fact, we don't have a Republican Congress without the four seats that got picked up

00:20:52.460 in New York.

00:20:53.220 And what did you see in New York?

00:20:54.880 You saw Lee Zeldin, who's not terribly Trumpy, right?

00:20:58.760 I mean, they're allies, but he's not that type of person, be very successful almost when

00:21:05.080 the governor's race there.

00:21:06.800 You have a city and a state that is incredibly fed up with the poor leadership that was shown

00:21:12.480 first by Andrew Cuomo and then by Kathy Hochul.

00:21:15.020 And I'd like to think that there is a model there for the rest of the country.

00:21:20.220 But, you know, go back.

00:21:21.440 I know we've all forgotten about the speaker's nonsense, right?

00:21:23.900 But that really wound up being the New York delegation led by guys like Mike Lawler, you

00:21:30.320 know, who didn't want McCarthy to go.

00:21:32.760 And the very MAGA delegation with people like Matt Gaetz were like, no, we're going to get

00:21:37.100 rid of McCarthy and everything's going to be great now.

00:21:39.220 And I do think that there's a division there within the Republican Party.

00:21:42.700 And maybe given the success that moderate New York Republicans are actually having in

00:21:48.000 elections, that's a that's a part of the party that people ought to be listening to

00:21:52.760 a little more.

00:21:54.220 This is where we go back and forth on this every time that Republicans lose, which is

00:21:57.620 often, you know, is what they need?

00:22:00.420 Somebody who's more moderate, like some of these guys out of New York who have to be

00:22:03.300 moderate in order to get elected as Republicans.

00:22:04.980 Or is what they need a true dyed in the wool conservative who can take them to the promised

00:22:09.740 land and be so inspirational that he'll motivate the base to turn out in record numbers?

00:22:15.060 Trump emerges as something that doesn't look anything like those two categories.

00:22:18.640 You know, we call him a populist.

00:22:20.440 I don't know what Trump is.

00:22:21.980 You know, he's he was big on trade and he was big on immigration.

00:22:24.760 Those were his two biggest signposts when he was running.

00:22:27.600 We've got to do something about China and we've got to build the wall. 1.00

00:22:30.900 And he tried to do something on China.

00:22:32.720 He put up some tariffs.

00:22:33.540 They're still in place.

00:22:34.440 Joe Biden didn't take him away, though there's still a trade deficit there.

00:22:39.340 And he tried to do something on the wall.

00:22:41.220 How much he built of it, how effective it was remains in dispute.

00:22:44.340 He's got numbers that don't match up with what the Border Patrol or his critics say.

00:22:47.680 In any event, we see whatever was built.

00:22:50.580 It was insufficient.

00:22:52.020 I think it's safe to say whatever he did did not stop the influx or protect the country 0.95

00:22:57.680 against the possibility that a Democrat would succeed him and try to undo policy in a way

00:23:03.460 that might be detrimental.

00:23:04.960 So in any event, I think the Republican Party still responds to those two messages.

00:23:08.500 They're not nearly as pro free trade as they used to be, given the collapse of manufacturing,

00:23:13.680 the collapse of domestic jobs, the working class implosion and no one paying attention 0.97

00:23:18.140 to them.

00:23:18.560 And they are pro secure border.

00:23:21.380 So those are a couple of things.

00:23:22.540 The abortion thing has been an albatross around the Republicans neck ever since they caught

00:23:27.280 the bumper when Dobbs was decided.

00:23:29.420 They had no plan.

00:23:30.560 They never saw it actually coming.

00:23:31.820 It came.

00:23:32.860 And I don't know how long we're going to be dealing with this.

00:23:34.580 I mean, I really do wonder.

00:23:35.680 You know, we've got kids.

00:23:36.420 Is this going to be like, is our kids going to be our age by the time the Republicans win

00:23:40.780 national elections again?

00:23:43.000 If like, is this just like the natural fallout from Dobbs and we're stuck with it for decades

00:23:47.840 until the Democrats have extracted enough revenge, you know, to satisfy themselves?

00:23:54.700 Because what's happening right now, Stu, is state after state, Arizona, Florida, all these

00:24:00.240 key critical swing states, all the all the six are getting ballot initiatives put on them

00:24:04.620 right now for November 2024, because that's what drove Democratic turnout and made it much

00:24:09.720 larger than Republican and independent.

00:24:11.600 Actually, the independents are with the Dems on abortion in a state after state and and

00:24:16.460 also legalization of pot.

00:24:18.140 Apparently, some 20 percent of Republicans turn out to be for that in places like Ohio,

00:24:23.180 a majority of independents are a huge swath and a majority of Democrats.

00:24:26.800 And that's enough to win.

00:24:27.800 And you know what?

00:24:28.340 It's enough to drive turnout so that you win elections when, you know, up and down the ballot

00:24:33.140 is the point there.

00:24:33.880 They're they're strategizing.

00:24:35.080 And the Republican Party is like, well, well, that's that's my description.

00:24:45.200 Yeah.

00:24:45.620 And it's a pretty accurate one. 0.99

00:24:47.140 I mean, it's the turnout is a fascinating part of this, Megan, because I agree with you.

00:24:51.340 It's it's there's a long road ahead here.

00:24:53.100 But you look at the Ohio electorate that came out, which was a Trump plus eight state.

00:24:58.440 The electorate that came out for this election yesterday was a Biden plus two electorate.

00:25:02.600 People voted for Biden.

00:25:05.120 You know, the Republicans were not able to inspire anyone really to come out and do this.

00:25:09.820 And I think the approach needs to be different for each state.

00:25:13.760 Right.

00:25:13.920 Like the abortion message tests pretty darn well here in Texas doesn't seem to be a problem

00:25:17.940 at all.

00:25:18.680 It doesn't.

00:25:19.240 It's not going to test well at all in Virginia.

00:25:20.880 And you need to understand all you can do is take advances on these important issues

00:25:25.760 as they are available.

00:25:27.600 Going for every single bit of it in every single state doesn't make much sense.

00:25:32.080 But this is similar.

00:25:33.380 The Democrats are trying to pull off what George W. Bush did in 2004 when gay marriage 0.60

00:25:38.800 was a more potent issue for Republicans.

00:25:41.940 They put on these ballot initiatives all over the country and it got Republican voters out.

00:25:46.320 They're going to try to do the same thing.

00:25:48.340 And it did work.

00:25:49.360 It's worked several times for Democrats as well.

00:25:52.560 Now, look, when you look at the larger situation, when you go to the 2024 election and when asked,

00:25:58.400 what's your most important issue?

00:26:00.040 Abortion only shows up for about five percent of voters.

00:26:02.660 That might be enough to to change the dynamic here, especially as the media wholeheartedly

00:26:08.960 embraces their narrative.

00:26:10.720 It's going to be tough to defeat.

00:26:12.220 But still, these issues on Joe Biden's performance, if this election can be about Biden's performance

00:26:18.320 and about the economy, which people still overwhelmingly name as their top issue, Republicans

00:26:23.420 have a really good chance.

00:26:25.400 If Donald Trump is the nominee, obviously, this election is going to be a lot more about Donald

00:26:29.320 Trump and his legal issues and God only knows what else they'll create over the time.

00:26:33.880 So that's going to make the things, I think, more challenging.

00:26:36.140 But look, Joe Biden is has done such a bad job.

00:26:40.140 Certainly he's beatable if they just don't screw it up, which is, of course, what Republicans

00:26:45.140 usually do.

00:26:46.320 They will snap defeat from the jaws of victory like that.

00:26:49.800 That's their specialty.

00:26:51.340 So let's just talk about Ohio a little bit more in depth for a second, Dave.

00:26:54.780 Here's here's some of the numbers on abortion.

00:26:56.800 And here's here's what's crazy.

00:26:59.820 So what was on the ballot was, should we enshrine abortion rights into our state constitution?

00:27:05.080 Should we make it such that this is not a whimsical thing that changes from administration to

00:27:09.180 administration?

00:27:09.580 There will be a constitutional right to get an abortion in a way that they could never do 1.00

00:27:14.860 at the federal level.

00:27:15.500 Right.

00:27:15.960 And they voted 56.6 percent to 43.4 percent.

00:27:22.140 Yes.

00:27:22.620 In a red state, Ohio, of clear margin of victory, 13 percentage points.

00:27:27.860 Yes, we want that.

00:27:29.560 18 counties back Trump back in 2020 voted in favor of abortion rights.

00:27:34.840 One in five Republicans.

00:27:36.380 This is according to the preliminary exit polls.

00:27:38.220 We'll get final numbers soon.

00:27:39.780 One in five Republicans supported the measure.

00:27:41.880 Nearly two thirds of independents supported the amendment.

00:27:45.340 And let me tell you about the amendment.

00:27:47.780 This is this is a pro-life nightmare.

00:27:50.440 OK, the amendment.

00:27:51.800 This is what it basically makes abortion legal to birth all the way up to birth. 0.75

00:27:57.760 You know why?

00:27:58.560 Because it not only has a life exception for the mother, it has a health exception for the 0.61

00:28:03.460 mother.

00:28:04.000 Do you know what that means?

00:28:04.700 If you find any OBGYN in the in the state who says your mental health requires you to

00:28:10.920 abort your nine month pregnant baby, you're good. 0.77

00:28:13.820 You can have one now.

00:28:15.160 It's in the Ohio red state constitution.

00:28:18.500 Thanks to this vote last night.

00:28:20.560 To me, that is a messaging failure.

00:28:23.880 That's the Republicans failure to explain to the to the electorate what was really at

00:28:29.800 stake.

00:28:30.040 I don't believe that that one in five Republicans and two thirds of independents want abortion

00:28:35.660 legal to birth because it says I'll read it to you a right.

00:28:39.560 A right to make and carry out one's own reproductive decisions. 0.71

00:28:44.020 Oh, that sounds so nice.

00:28:45.000 Doesn't it sound so nice and only allow the state to prohibit to ban an abortion after

00:28:50.840 an unborn child is determined by a pregnant woman's treating physician to be viable.

00:28:55.500 So they're making it sound like, OK, the only time that the state could pass a law banning

00:29:00.800 abortion is post viability.

00:29:02.600 That's the row standard.

00:29:03.860 So Ohioans are saying, OK, that makes sense.

00:29:06.560 We don't want post viability abortions. 1.00

00:29:08.400 That's that's how it used to be.

00:29:09.600 We like that.

00:29:10.420 And it says, and only if the physician does not consider the abortion necessary to protect

00:29:14.380 the pregnant woman's life or health.

00:29:16.320 OK, you are definitely going to have doctors who say this baby has some sort of a defect

00:29:21.040 and it's not viable.

00:29:22.000 And in order to give birth to it, the mother's mental health would be ruined. 1.00

00:29:25.880 And therefore, nine months, it's gone.

00:29:28.100 It's just there's there's got to be a better message for Republicans in calling out exactly

00:29:32.520 what's going to happen.

00:29:34.720 Otherwise, we're going to have more abortions. 1.00

00:29:37.300 It has to be far more forceful, right?

00:29:41.080 I mean, another thing that we're going to see is selective abortions where, you know,

00:29:45.520 kids with Down syndrome will be killed because they have Down syndrome in the womb.

00:29:50.940 And, you know, a parent or a doctor doesn't want that.

00:29:54.960 Abortion is a difficult thing to talk about.

00:29:57.400 And I think that I think Republicans have a fear that if you're that guy outside the Planned

00:30:03.000 Parenthood with the bloody looking picture of the fetus, right, that like this is too

00:30:08.020 far, this is going to turn off voters, this is going to make people feel icky.

00:30:12.780 I think that Republicans and pro-life Republicans, most Republicans are pro-life.

00:30:18.740 I think we need to be harsher.

00:30:20.400 I mean, you know, I went to Catholic school as a kid.

00:30:23.420 And back then, I don't know if either of you had this experience, but I mean, they would

00:30:28.780 show us movies of what this is, of what happens, of what it really, really is.

00:30:36.100 Not, you know, not reproductive health care, but killing a human being.

00:30:41.040 And I don't think that Republicans have done a good enough job or the pro-life movement

00:30:45.840 in general has done a good enough job post Dobbs of describing the horror that this really

00:30:54.040 is.

00:30:54.620 And I would like to see Republican politicians in general do a far better job.

00:30:59.340 Now, that that may sound like the opposite of taking a more moderate position.

00:31:02.660 But but I do think that in terms of something like abortion at eight months, yeah, we need 0.79

00:31:07.980 to expose how grotesque this is, probably in grotesque ways.

00:31:12.780 Mm hmm.

00:31:13.420 Some of the numbers here, Stu, in Ohio, pro-choice groups raised.

00:31:18.400 This is from today's The Dispatch.

00:31:20.100 Pro-choice groups raised nearly triple what pro-life groups did, nearly triple in the homestretch

00:31:26.520 of the campaign.

00:31:27.700 They outspent their opponents in ad buys last night and taking a victory lap.

00:31:33.360 Um, the executive director of pro-choice Ohio said, Ohio is not a red state where purple

00:31:38.780 is hell, baby. 0.51

00:31:39.840 And they're thanking this issue over in Virginia.

00:31:42.720 Um, they had 40 percent, 40 percent of Democratic candidates ads mentioned abortion, according 0.74

00:31:50.340 to ad impact, which advertise, which tracks advertisements.

00:31:54.040 It's OK, 40 percent of their ads.

00:31:56.200 So it was the issue.

00:31:57.880 And Coulter had a piece this morning on her substack saying that a pro-life is the new

00:32:05.080 Black Lives Matter.

00:32:05.900 But for Republicans, you know, the thing that brought down so many Democrats that so many

00:32:10.980 more moderate Democrats were like or deep, not black guys and defund the police. 0.61

00:32:14.360 Same thing.

00:32:15.100 It's the new defund, defund the police where that like moderate candidates are going to

00:32:18.860 get killed on the Dem side if they say defund the cops now.

00:32:22.140 And if you say pro-life, you know, no exceptions, rape, you're done. 0.99

00:32:26.000 You're you're going to drag down everybody.

00:32:29.780 Yeah, no, look, there's some there's some evidence to this, and I think it's happened

00:32:34.040 several times since Dobbs.

00:32:35.320 I mean, look, the Republican Party did not come out of Dobbs prepared.

00:32:39.580 They came out completely flat footed with no plan, which is incredible considering they

00:32:43.800 worked 50 freaking years to get this done.

00:32:46.980 They really had no idea how they were going to approach that.

00:32:50.860 And that is completely on them.

00:32:52.580 But the abortion issue, I will say, is somewhat fascinating.

00:32:55.240 The Ohio example, for example, here, you have a red state, which, again, the Republicans

00:32:59.220 are going to win in 2024 by all appearances.

00:33:03.660 And you have two parties.

00:33:06.400 And in reality, both of their positions are incredibly unpopular with voters.

00:33:11.500 What Democrats want is nine month abortion. 1.00

00:33:13.720 That is not popular with voters whatsoever.

00:33:16.200 What Republicans, you'd say maybe as a party, generally want is basically no elective abortions,

00:33:22.900 maybe with exceptions for for rape and incest.

00:33:25.400 And that's generally the party position.

00:33:28.200 The voters are in the middle there.

00:33:29.860 They want something a little bit different.

00:33:31.380 But what you saw in Ohio was the Democrats going for all of it.

00:33:36.880 But they went for their California laws, their Illinois laws, their New York laws, and they

00:33:42.640 were successfully able to message it in a way to convince a red state to go along with

00:33:48.660 it.

00:33:49.280 And so I don't know.

00:33:50.100 I mean, Megan, how I'm at a loss.

00:33:52.340 How would you message this to Ohio?

00:33:54.820 How would you have gone after this?

00:33:57.160 I would get more money.

00:33:58.560 I think it's just about more money, more money to get the right message out and make it ubiquitous

00:34:04.640 so Ohio voters really understand.

00:34:06.840 I was in Michigan right before the last midterm election, and I was visiting some gal pals of

00:34:12.320 my outfit of mine out there.

00:34:14.300 Every billboard said you're going to lose your right to contraception unless you vote Democrat

00:34:18.920 in this in this election.

00:34:20.260 I mean, it made you sound like, oh, my God, we're going back to the dark ages.

00:34:24.180 I'm not going to be able to protect myself against an unwanted pregnancy. 0.93

00:34:26.840 And then I won't be able to have the choice about whether to have that baby.

00:34:30.120 God forbid I find myself right.

00:34:31.460 Like it was everywhere they spent and they won and they won big.

00:34:36.640 Right.

00:34:37.040 And that was the end of Tudor Dixon and the continued rise of Gretchen Whitmer. 0.99

00:34:41.460 The Republicans, I don't know what they're spending their money on.

00:34:43.860 Maybe Dave's right.

00:34:44.800 Maybe it's all going into Trump's many, many legal trials, but it's not going to the right

00:34:48.800 places because I don't believe that Ohio, which is red, it's not purple, would vote for

00:34:53.920 this if they truly understood.

00:34:55.080 You are now paving the way you're paving the way for doctors to say, yeah, you know what?

00:35:00.920 It's really going to cause the mom a lot of migraines. 1.00

00:35:03.340 And so this six month old in the womb baby needs to be aborted.

00:35:07.480 I don't I just don't believe they're actually with that.

00:35:09.440 But to your point that we're talking about, like they don't really like these candidates.

00:35:12.440 Like what's amazing to me on the Ohio numbers.

00:35:14.260 Only about four in 10 Ohio voters approve of Biden's job performance.

00:35:20.700 Only a quarter.

00:35:22.020 So about 25 percent of voters there think Biden should even be running that the Ohioans across

00:35:27.280 the border against Joe Biden.

00:35:28.600 They don't want him.

00:35:30.240 How about Trump?

00:35:31.400 Only one third think that he should be running.

00:35:34.880 Trump carried Ohio by eight points, as you point out, in 16 and 20.

00:35:38.040 He carried it by eight points.

00:35:39.140 Only one third of Ohio voter voters think he should even be on the ballot.

00:35:44.440 They don't want these two parties.

00:35:46.160 They don't want Biden.

00:35:47.820 They don't want Trump, these two candidates.

00:35:50.460 And yet what's going to happen tonight?

00:35:52.640 We're going to have the third Republican presidential debate.

00:35:55.220 It's going to be moderated by NBC News and Hugh Hewitt of Salem Media.

00:35:59.040 And those candidates are more than likely not going to attack Donald Trump because they're

00:36:04.980 very afraid of his huge support within the Republican Party.

00:36:08.220 And they're too chicken to really go for him.

00:36:11.440 And the Republicans are going to wind up with a guy who is polling well nationally right now.

00:36:15.980 And we saw in the swing states from the from the New York Times poll.

00:36:19.060 But when push comes to shove, isn't wanted.

00:36:22.580 And unlike the Dems, who really they're not going to switch him out against his will.

00:36:27.180 They can switch Trump out.

00:36:28.420 It's an open primary right now.

00:36:30.300 They're not going to do it.

00:36:31.860 Yeah, but the Dems could switch Biden out with his will, right?

00:36:37.040 I mean, it's entirely possible.

00:36:40.360 You know, I looked this up the other day when LBJ announced that he wasn't going to seek

00:36:44.400 re-election.

00:36:45.260 He didn't do that until March 31st, 1968.

00:36:48.820 There had already been several primaries, right?

00:36:51.900 If that's going to happen, it is my sincere belief that the Democrats want to wait until

00:36:57.100 Trump has it locked up.

00:36:59.000 And then you can have, for whatever reason, Joe Biden wants to say, you know, he'll be

00:37:03.000 the grandfatherly guy who steps aside.

00:37:05.340 I think this is a real fear for Republicans that at that point, somebody can come in who

00:37:10.660 doesn't have these high negatives that both Trump and Biden do.

00:37:16.060 Now, maybe Biden's unwilling to do that.

00:37:18.220 I don't know, but it's certainly a possibility and it's a possibility that ought to scare

00:37:24.260 Republicans, I think.

00:37:26.120 You're so right that the Republicans ought to pray every night that Joe Biden stays in

00:37:29.820 this race or, you know, really that he either stays in or that he passes the baton to Kamala.

00:37:35.360 Like one of those two things.

00:37:36.540 That's their only hope right now, because if they sub out these two and sub in somebody

00:37:41.340 more confident, more youthful, somebody who can who doesn't encircled in a corruption

00:37:47.220 scandal and we'll get to the latest on that today, then the Republicans are even in more

00:37:52.880 trouble than we think they are.

00:37:54.180 Stand by.

00:37:54.620 Stu and Dave, stay with us for the full show.

00:37:56.480 Love when these guys are here.

00:37:57.340 It is debate night once again in America.

00:38:05.140 This one, as I mentioned, hosted by NBC News.

00:38:07.460 We expect the moderators to be Lester Holt, Kristen Welker, and then Hugh Hewitt from Salem

00:38:13.560 Media.

00:38:14.160 He's the conservative.

00:38:15.280 They did this, you know, last time around.

00:38:17.620 They had sort of like a conservative talking head on some of the panels.

00:38:21.060 We never had to deal with that at Fox because they trusted us to be fair and balanced.

00:38:24.520 But on some of these more lefty channels, the RNC, I think, wisely insists that there

00:38:29.840 at least be somebody out there who understands what's interesting to Republican voters.

00:38:34.740 We'll see how that goes.

00:38:36.400 I, you know, I predict we're going to be very frustrated watching this, and I predict the

00:38:42.920 ways ins and out of these questions will not be the ways in and out that Republicans

00:38:48.660 find interesting.

00:38:49.960 I'm sure abortion is going to be a big, big subject tonight, guys.

00:38:53.100 But I don't believe it's going to be the way any Republican voter would get in and out

00:38:59.380 of it.

00:38:59.860 Kristen Welker is the one who raised this with Trump.

00:39:02.300 I expect something along the lines of you can't win if you continue this.

00:39:06.100 So what's your solution?

00:39:07.940 But what do you make of the fact that the debates are ongoing, Dave?

00:39:11.180 And that, you know, I think tonight it's going to be DeSantis versus Haley in earnest.

00:39:16.840 It could be a dogfight between those two.

00:39:18.420 I think that it will be DeSantis versus Haley, although I think that that may be a mistake

00:39:24.500 for DeSantis.

00:39:26.140 I think this is the point in time when DeSantis needs to drop the gloves and go completely

00:39:31.120 after Donald Trump.

00:39:32.940 I mean, Donald Trump and his, like, you know, influencers and all of these people, I mean,

00:39:37.860 they've been just humiliating DeSantis.

00:39:40.080 And I understand DeSantis wants to sort of be above it, you know, wants to be the adult

00:39:46.680 in the room, but he's got to start punching back.

00:39:49.740 And, you know, I think the opportunity that he has to punch back really has to do, and

00:39:55.960 you're starting to hear some of this from his camp of, like, why didn't you do all these

00:39:59.660 things when you were president, right?

00:40:01.340 So Jim Jordan yesterday had that big announcement about, like, all of the people who were being

00:40:05.360 suppressed by the federal government.

00:40:07.180 And some of them were my former colleagues at The Federalist, like, you know, Molly Hemingway

00:40:11.320 and Sean Davis.

00:40:12.320 And I thought John Levine, who's a wonderful reporter for The New York Post, made a great

00:40:17.440 point.

00:40:17.820 He, quote, tweeted Jim Jordan's thread, and he said, Trump was president when all of this

00:40:23.460 happened.

00:40:24.340 And I get it.

00:40:25.120 I get that the Trump people say, well, he got blindsided by the deep state, and what

00:40:28.720 could he do?

00:40:29.260 But why is that going to be different this time?

00:40:31.100 We've seen what Ron DeSantis was able to do in Florida, which had concrete results and wasn't

00:40:35.800 just talk.

00:40:36.460 So I think that if Ron DeSantis misses the opportunity tonight to highlight those kinds

00:40:43.220 of issues, then it's over.

00:40:45.800 I don't think him versus Haley for the next two months does anybody any good whatsoever.

00:40:51.620 She's on an upward trajectory right now, Stu, in the polls. 1.00

00:40:55.180 He's not.

00:40:56.240 So if anyone is emerging as the non-Trump alternative, you could make the case it's Nikki Haley right

00:41:00.900 now.

00:41:01.600 So I do think those two are going to come to blows.

00:41:03.720 And they'll make it about themselves.

00:41:05.440 And that's all well and good.

00:41:06.720 And maybe one will win and the other one won't.

00:41:09.180 And they'll both lose to Trump unless unless they do something different differently.

00:41:13.400 Right.

00:41:13.600 Like there have been a couple of opinion pieces out there lately saying make the case against

00:41:20.140 Donald Trump.

00:41:21.680 Remind people.

00:41:22.920 Right.

00:41:23.060 You know, it's truly that with the with the passage of time, you forget one's flaws.

00:41:27.860 Haven't we all done that with an ex?

00:41:29.560 And it's their job to get out there and say, you know, look at all the spending he did.

00:41:36.180 Where is the wall?

00:41:37.360 Look at, you know, the suppression of conservative voices.

00:41:39.620 As you point out, look what he did during the pandemic.

00:41:41.740 This isn't the Megyn Kelly case.

00:41:43.420 This is the critics case against Donald Trump.

00:41:46.000 They're so far.

00:41:48.200 Too afraid to do it.

00:41:49.920 Even the hits on Trump have been gentle.

00:41:52.440 They've been gentle.

00:41:53.300 And they and not surprisingly, they've had no impact.

00:42:00.440 None at all.

00:42:01.520 And I mean, look, go to Vivek Ramaswamy again when he said Donald Trump has been the best

00:42:05.480 president of my lifetime.

00:42:06.800 It's like, well, why are you on stage then?

00:42:08.980 I don't I don't know.

00:42:09.880 What's the point of that?

00:42:11.320 I think there's two ways to approach this election.

00:42:13.960 And I think there's a decision to be made for Ron DeSantis.

00:42:16.940 It might very well be tonight which direction he's going to go.

00:42:20.680 You can try to win this primary on your own terms.

00:42:25.540 Right.

00:42:25.760 Like which is a difficult task when you're down by 30 points.

00:42:28.920 But in a normal circumstance, that would be your goal.

00:42:31.840 Right.

00:42:32.160 To win the primary.

00:42:33.100 We're going to have a bunch of people going for votes. 0.85

00:42:35.800 And I want to win the most votes of that group.

00:42:38.040 And that seems really, really obvious as your goal.

00:42:40.400 But there is a secondary decision that's being made.

00:42:43.080 And I think it's the only one that, like, for example, Nikki Haley can really make, which

00:42:47.160 is how do I win this second place primary that might matter if Donald Trump goes to prison?

00:42:53.760 Right.

00:42:54.200 Like we know that they're going after him with all the full force of the government right

00:42:58.120 now.

00:42:58.360 And there's a good chance with 95 different charges.

00:43:01.580 They're going to get him on a few of those.

00:43:03.180 And who knows if that how that turns out and how it affects voters.

00:43:06.580 It's possible.

00:43:07.500 You know, he gets convicted of these things.

00:43:09.380 There's some evidence in the Siena poll of this that people would change their mind and

00:43:13.000 no longer want to vote for Donald Trump if he goes to prison.

00:43:16.280 Who knows what goes on there?

00:43:17.880 If states kick him off ballots.

00:43:19.440 God only knows we're going to be in a state of chaos.

00:43:21.060 So there's this secondary primary going on, which is why I think the debate is important

00:43:26.520 tonight, because you have to find out who your backup is, even if you love Donald Trump,

00:43:30.720 if you think he's the greatest guy in the world.

00:43:32.100 You need to make sure that you have a second choice because there's a good chance you may

00:43:36.160 need to use it.

00:43:36.960 And I think that's what that back and forth may be.

00:43:39.620 I think DeSantis, if he's like he has the qualifications, he deserves to be in this race. 0.97

00:43:44.340 He's a really good governor, and I think he would be an excellent president.

00:43:48.080 So I think he should make the case.

00:43:49.680 There's a lot to critique over Donald Trump and his presidency.

00:43:54.380 There's a lot to love as well.

00:43:55.620 There was a lot of good.

00:43:56.720 But as Dave pointed out, you know, it's like, you know, oh, well, he was blindsided by the

00:44:00.740 deep state.

00:44:01.160 Well, whose job is it to avoid being blindsided by the deep state?

00:44:05.180 The deep state is, you know, these people have been in a lot of the same people have

00:44:08.600 been there for 30, 40 and 50 years.

00:44:10.380 It's your job to make sure you are not victimized by the by the teachings of Anthony Fauci in one

00:44:16.560 of the most important moments in American history.

00:44:18.560 There are arguments to be made for and against Donald Trump.

00:44:22.220 But the but, you know, DeSantis can't just say I'm really good.

00:44:25.380 I swear I'd be good and not criticize Trump because a large part of this electorate feels

00:44:30.820 I believe incorrectly that this election was stolen from him and he deserves a chance to

00:44:35.520 have another four years.

00:44:37.140 And if you don't make the case against the previous four years, you're going to have no

00:44:41.700 chance of getting in there.

00:44:43.120 They must do it on substance.

00:44:44.740 They have no choice, Dave.

00:44:45.680 It's I think what they've been worried about is turning into Chris Christie.

00:44:49.000 But you're you're not Chris Christie goes after Trump personally and vice versa.

00:44:52.440 They hate each other.

00:44:53.340 It's a blood match.

00:44:54.600 But Chris Christie is not up there saying, you know, let me walk you through the policy

00:44:58.580 failures of Donald Trump.

00:44:59.680 Right.

00:44:59.860 Like so far, we've seen candidates who are too afraid to say things like, where's our

00:45:05.400 wall?

00:45:05.780 What about your your plan to withdraw those troops from Afghanistan?

00:45:10.280 You're the thing that set that disastrous withdrawal in motion.

00:45:13.700 Biden was executing on what you what you set up, whatever.

00:45:16.060 You know, you could go down the list of fair criticisms of Trump while he was president.

00:45:20.640 I haven't heard anybody make that case except Chris Christie like figures in the press who

00:45:25.480 hate Donald Trump.

00:45:26.340 You need one of these candidates to get up there on substance, not on personality, get

00:45:30.280 on substance and say, let me remind you, he wasn't all that.

00:45:35.880 Yeah, no, absolutely.

00:45:38.160 I had a fascinating conversation with the guy that I met the other night at a tea party meeting

00:45:42.500 in West Virginia.

00:45:43.720 And this guy had been the head of personnel during the Reagan administration and importantly,

00:45:49.000 the part of the transition team in 81, which is considered the gold standard.

00:45:53.680 He told me that he and Ed Meese and a few other people from that transition team sat

00:45:58.500 down in 2016 with Trump's transition team, which is being led by Chris Christie somehow.

00:46:04.700 And he said they wouldn't listen, that nobody would listen to any of their advice.

00:46:08.520 And the one piece of advice that he had was Chris Christie is not really with you.

00:46:11.960 What you do, he told me what you do with a guy with Chris Christie is you pointed a globe

00:46:15.060 and you say, where do you want to be an ambassador?

00:46:18.360 And Trump's got a personnel problem.

00:46:20.820 He always has.

00:46:21.720 And I think that that's something that the other candidates really need to slam because

00:46:25.160 Trump can't fix this on its own and he hasn't explained how he's going to.

00:46:29.520 It's a good point.

00:46:30.620 You don't generally get, you know, when you become president, you have your, your pick,

00:46:34.020 the cream of the crop to come work in your administration.

00:46:36.740 Everyone wants to be part of the White House or the administration and effect policy,

00:46:41.380 especially when you're, you're controlling Congress, all of it.

00:46:44.420 And, um, you don't generally get better from there, right?

00:46:48.460 Like all those people have been fired.

00:46:50.680 Half of them hate Trump. 0.94

00:46:51.900 He hates them.

00:46:53.260 Mad Dog, Mattis, John Kelly, you know, Tillerson, all of them, they're gone. 0.60

00:46:57.280 They're not coming back.

00:46:58.600 Uh, so who's going to be, uh, on tier two and how is Trump going to control them or find

00:47:05.240 people who are so-called, you know, the best people at this point when he wasn't able to

00:47:09.300 do it at the first point, according to him, these are all fair points.

00:47:12.780 I don't know.

00:47:14.160 This is my, my point is this is what we should be hearing from the other candidates if they

00:47:18.860 really want to win.

00:47:19.380 If not enjoy oblivion.

00:47:24.960 Now, first I want to kick this hour off guys with a little story.

00:47:29.380 It's story time.

00:47:30.460 This story happens to be about Hunter Biden and David Weiss.

00:47:33.480 David Weiss was, and is the U S attorney for the district of Delaware, federal prosecutor

00:47:39.780 for that region.

00:47:40.600 He was under Trump.

00:47:41.580 He remains so under Biden.

00:47:43.540 He began investigating Hunter Biden, the near do well son of Joe Biden as a far back as 2018.

00:47:52.360 The IRS was looking into him.

00:47:54.460 They, it had come to their attention that there was some funny business going on with his taxes.

00:47:57.680 He'd been involved in some bank situations involving prostitutes. 0.99

00:48:01.840 They smelled a rat. 0.98

00:48:03.480 They started investigating him.

00:48:05.540 They were stopped at every turn, according to two whistleblowers who ultimately came out

00:48:09.960 from the IRS by the department of justice in particular, when the administration switched

00:48:15.000 from Trump to Biden, who did not want them asking questions about Joe Biden, speaking to

00:48:20.520 Joe Biden's grandchildren, Hunter's children, many of whom are adult now.

00:48:24.920 No, none of, none of those can be interviewed.

00:48:26.920 They were ready to serve a subpoena on Hunter's storage unit.

00:48:30.400 No, the DOJ interfered. 0.84

00:48:33.080 And I think secret service ultimately gave him a heads up that it was going to happen,

00:48:37.440 giving him time to remove whatever was in that storage container, like one of those units

00:48:41.920 before the feds could get there to investigate.

00:48:44.460 They're looking for papers.

00:48:45.280 They're looking for evidence of fraud, of international dealings, of working as a foreign

00:48:49.480 agent without properly registering.

00:48:50.960 All the things now that the House of Representatives is currently investigating.

00:48:54.980 According to the whistleblowers, they were thwarted at every turn.

00:48:57.800 David Weiss was running herd on the whole investigation.

00:49:00.580 Before we know it, years passed and David Weiss has magically allowed the statute of limitations

00:49:05.680 to run on the most severe potential charges against the president's son.

00:49:11.080 The president likes to defend himself.

00:49:12.700 Merrick Garland, our current AG, likes to defend himself by saying, no interference here.

00:49:16.480 We let the Trump appointed U.S. attorney continue the investigation.

00:49:21.020 Well, this guy, David Weiss, had to be approved by the two Democratic senators who have gone

00:49:24.940 to the U.S. Senate out of Delaware.

00:49:27.000 They never could have gotten through them.

00:49:28.540 This guy is clearly a partisan hack.

00:49:30.500 We now know this about David Weiss.

00:49:32.440 So this is a cover up lie by Merrick Garland to say, oh, you know, he was under Trump.

00:49:38.420 So he let the statute of limitations run.

00:49:41.340 The whistleblowers came forward.

00:49:43.480 This is outrageous.

00:49:44.180 He shouldn't have let that statute of limitations run.

00:49:47.120 We had him.

00:49:47.860 We had him dead to rights.

00:49:49.120 As early as 2021, we were jumping up and down, up inside the FBI saying, charge the guy, charge

00:49:54.940 him.

00:49:55.460 You're going to let these claims expire.

00:49:57.040 What's going on?

00:49:58.100 And they claimed under oath that David Weiss, who was the U.S. attorney that they were answering

00:50:02.960 to ultimately, told them in the spring of 2022, I don't have ultimate authority over

00:50:08.400 the case.

00:50:09.260 That's just the truth.

00:50:10.760 These guys said, what?

00:50:11.760 Because here's the thing.

00:50:13.260 The most serious charges against Hunter were to be brought in D.C. or California, not in

00:50:18.360 Delaware.

00:50:19.480 And the clock was ticking.

00:50:21.980 And they said to him, you got to go.

00:50:24.020 You got to make sure that these charges get brought.

00:50:25.480 And he said, according to the whistleblowers, in particular, Gary Shapley, IRS whistleblower,

00:50:29.980 we interviewed him ourselves, that David Weiss told them in October 2022, it was, that he

00:50:36.840 lacked ultimate decision-making authority.

00:50:40.080 He lacked ultimate decision-making authority.

00:50:44.060 That that's what they were told directly by Weiss.

00:50:47.520 Now, why would he lack ultimate decision-making authority?

00:50:49.900 There could only be two reasons.

00:50:52.740 One, he wasn't made special counsel, which gives you the authority to do pretty much what

00:50:56.340 you want.

00:50:57.020 We know that he wasn't granted special counsel authority by that point.

00:50:59.760 He is now.

00:51:00.640 But back then, he didn't have it.

00:51:02.000 So he still answered to Merrick Garland, very much so.

00:51:04.500 And here's what happens.

00:51:06.120 Let's say I'm the Delaware U.S. attorney.

00:51:08.500 And Dave, you're the U.S. attorney for the Northern District of California.

00:51:11.920 And Stu, you're the guy who runs D.C.

00:51:13.440 And I want to bring two very serious criminal charges against Hunter Biden in your jurisdictions,

00:51:18.200 not mine, where I'm in charge.

00:51:20.300 There's a system for this.

00:51:21.660 As you might imagine, it happens all the time.

00:51:23.580 People don't always confine their criminality to the district in which they live.

00:51:27.760 So I call you up, Dave, and I call you up, Stu, and I say, guys, I'm your counterpart in

00:51:32.380 Delaware.

00:51:33.080 I need to bring charges in your district.

00:51:34.920 Do you want to partner with me on it?

00:51:36.680 And if you don't want to partner with me on it, you're too busy, you're not into it,

00:51:39.420 no problem.

00:51:39.900 I'll just go get the okay from our big boss, Merrick Garland. 1.00

00:51:42.220 You guys say, I don't want to touch this shit with a 10-foot pole. 1.00

00:51:45.380 It's your thing. 1.00

00:51:46.600 You go for it.

00:51:48.040 So no problem.

00:51:48.900 That happens.

00:51:49.840 So then you go to the big boss, Merrick Garland, and you say, Dave and Stu don't want anything

00:51:53.460 to do with it.

00:51:54.180 Can you just give me my pink slip so I can go into their jurisdictions and try cases even

00:51:58.880 though I practice in Delaware?

00:52:01.080 Yeah, fine.

00:52:01.900 It's done all the time.

00:52:03.980 If you get that designation, you're considered a special attorney.

00:52:09.060 The word attorney matters.

00:52:10.460 It's not the same as special counsel, which David Weiss is now, where you have all the

00:52:16.100 independents.

00:52:17.060 Ultimately, you still got to get your control ultimately by Merrick Garland, but you have

00:52:20.720 more authority as special counsel.

00:52:22.340 Special attorney is done every day.

00:52:24.060 It's done every day for jurisdictional lines, as I just discussed.

00:52:27.320 So the IRS guys are looking at David Weiss in October of 2022 with a statute about to run

00:52:35.120 saying, what do you mean you don't have ultimate decision-making authority?

00:52:40.760 What do you mean you don't?

00:52:42.200 You're like, is somebody stopping you?

00:52:44.200 Because it's very, very easy to bring charges in somebody else's jurisdiction unless the AG

00:52:49.960 stops you.

00:52:50.960 Is that what you're trying to tell us?

00:52:52.640 And it remains somewhat unclear.

00:52:55.760 Well, they come out and they tell the world this, these two IRS whistleblowers. 1.00

00:52:59.840 This is bullshit. 1.00

00:53:00.880 They let it run. 1.00

00:53:01.660 And he admitted he didn't have ultimate authority.

00:53:04.140 David Weiss and essentially Merrick Garland, not essentially, and Merrick Garland call these

00:53:09.580 whistleblowers a couple of liars. 1.00

00:53:11.780 They're bullshit. 1.00

00:53:13.080 It's not true. 0.99

00:53:14.540 David Weiss did have authority all along.

00:53:16.440 There's just problems with the case.

00:53:17.700 It happens.

00:53:18.800 Don't second judge, second guess.

00:53:20.820 Don't armchair judge.

00:53:22.480 You have no idea.

00:53:23.560 It wasn't because he didn't have the authority.

00:53:24.820 He was empowered.

00:53:25.500 I empowered him, Merrick Garland said.

00:53:27.820 Even David Weiss, Merrick Garland's little whipping boy.

00:53:31.220 Yeah, he empowered me.

00:53:32.420 I had power.

00:53:33.540 He wants to move up within the DOJ.

00:53:35.080 He's not going to bite the hand that feeds him.

00:53:36.780 Both of them, united front.

00:53:37.880 But the messaging was squirrely and it was clear that something else was going on here.

00:53:42.480 And whenever congressional investigators probed a little, they kept going back to, can't talk

00:53:47.060 about an ongoing investigation.

00:53:48.680 Can't ongoing investigation.

00:53:49.780 I wish I could be more helpful here, but ongoing.

00:53:53.660 Well, they've been having hearing after hearing.

00:53:56.820 And let me just give you a flavor for how Merrick Garland sounded after those whistleblowers

00:54:01.720 came out.

00:54:02.420 He was on his heels because he had already told Congress, David Weiss has full authority.

00:54:08.380 He can do whatever he wants.

00:54:09.440 Don't you worry about me.

00:54:10.340 I know I work for Biden, but David Weiss is the man.

00:54:12.760 That's a Trump guy.

00:54:13.560 He's got total authority here.

00:54:15.440 And so now the whistleblower is saying Merrick Garland interfered.

00:54:19.400 He interfered in many ways, including apparently stopping David Weiss from going to California

00:54:23.660 and D.C.

00:54:24.600 Merrick Garland was pissed.

00:54:26.120 And he comes.

00:54:26.980 It's not true.

00:54:28.340 He had ultimate authority.

00:54:29.560 And here's a budded soundbite of Merrick Garland, both in March of 2023, before the whistleblowers

00:54:34.880 had come out and repeating it in June of 23, after the whistleblowers had come out.

00:54:39.820 Same message.

00:54:41.020 And you should keep in mind while listening to it.

00:54:43.060 All lies.

00:54:44.100 Watch.

00:54:44.340 The U.S. attorney in Delaware has been advised that he has full authority to make those kind

00:54:52.620 of referrals that you're talking about or to bring cases in other jurisdictions if he

00:54:56.920 feels it's necessary.

00:54:58.260 And I will assure that if he does, he will be able to do that.

00:55:01.840 Weiss has told Congress that he has been granted ultimate authority over this matter.

00:55:06.980 Sir, Weiss had, in fact, more authority than a special counsel would have.

00:55:11.160 But he has complete, he has, he had and has complete authority, as I said, to bring a case

00:55:16.240 anywhere he wants.

00:55:17.940 I don't know how it would be possible for anybody to block him from bringing a prosecution, given

00:55:23.280 that he has this authority.

00:55:24.700 He was given complete authority to make all decisions on his own.

00:55:31.480 That's not true.

00:55:33.540 The only way he would have been able to grant to bring cases in D.C. and Northern California

00:55:39.360 was with Merrick Garland's approval, which should have been given with ease.

00:55:44.480 But we have been asking ourselves all along, was it denied?

00:55:49.780 Why didn't, who's the villain?

00:55:51.660 Did David Weiss not call Merrick Garland and say, yo, Stu and Dave shot me down.

00:55:57.640 I need the special permission slip.

00:55:59.500 Or did he do it?

00:56:00.860 And Merrick Garland said, F off, David Weiss.

00:56:03.880 It's a hard no.

00:56:05.140 Thus ending the serious charges against Hunter Biden.

00:56:09.220 The latter would be a much bigger deal because it would be on Merrick Garland, the president's

00:56:13.720 appointee.

00:56:14.660 David Weiss, we care about, but he's a hack.

00:56:17.180 OK, well, he's not the sitting attorney general.

00:56:20.420 All along, we've been asking, did David Weiss ask for the special attorney designation?

00:56:25.540 Did he ask for the permission slip or didn't he?

00:56:27.840 Ongoing investigation, ongoing investigation.

00:56:30.440 Guess what?

00:56:30.960 Yesterday, we finally got an answer.

00:56:34.740 David Weiss, who's been avoiding these congressional investigators in the House from the beginning,

00:56:40.840 finally had to sit in front of them.

00:56:42.820 It wasn't on cam.

00:56:43.760 It was behind closed doors.

00:56:44.840 And he told the House Judiciary Committee, according to Jim Jordan, that he was refused

00:56:52.060 special attorney status in this investigation of first son, Hunter Biden.

00:56:58.960 Weiss said he initially requested special attorney status in spring 2022.

00:57:06.180 Remember the whistleblowers meeting in October 2022, where they said he told them,

00:57:10.140 I don't have the authority, according to Jim Jordan.

00:57:13.660 David Weiss told congressional investigators yesterday in spring of 2022, he went to justice.

00:57:19.560 He said, give me the permission slip to bring these charges.

00:57:22.260 And the principal assistant deputy attorney general told him no, told him no.

00:57:29.540 So now we know the attorney general of the United States through his principal assistant deputy

00:57:36.500 stopped the investigation into Hunter Biden.

00:57:40.960 They're the ones.

00:57:42.380 They're the villains, thus letting him off on the most serious charges.

00:57:47.280 David Weiss did what he was told and just put his head between his legs as he was getting

00:57:53.180 scolded. 0.88

00:57:53.660 You're not getting it. 0.99

00:57:54.780 You'll stick to Delaware, where it's a bunch of bullshit charges that we can easily get 0.99

00:57:58.420 him probation on or give him a deal on. 0.98

00:58:01.000 And you, David Weiss, can be controlled.

00:58:02.740 That's obvious.

00:58:04.060 And go along your merry way.

00:58:05.600 And then they smeared the whistleblowers as liars when they came out and said he admitted

00:58:10.800 to us he didn't have the authority.

00:58:12.160 They both came out and said, liars always had ultimate authority.

00:58:15.460 And then behind closed doors when it's under oath.

00:58:18.000 It's a different story for David Weiss.

00:58:20.200 Merrick Garland lied under oath.

00:58:22.340 David Weiss apparently didn't and told the truth.

00:58:25.220 So now we know this will not be in The New York Times and The Washington Post and on NPR

00:58:32.940 leading any news tomorrow.

00:58:35.460 They'll talk about Republican infighting from the debate. 0.87

00:58:37.860 And it's absolutely disgusting.

00:58:40.840 There are two systems of justice.

00:58:42.920 Hunter Biden has very much benefited from this one.

00:58:46.760 And Donald Trump is under indictment in four different places because of the other.

00:58:51.180 That's my story.

00:58:52.900 That's the end of story time for the beginning for this day, November.

00:58:57.560 What a happy story, Megan.

00:58:59.560 Yeah.

00:59:00.460 What do you what do you make of it?

00:59:03.320 Look, Garland Garland was very dicey last month when he appeared before Congress because

00:59:09.880 he was asked this very question about, you know, the authority to prosecute.

00:59:13.800 And basically where Garland landed was somewhere along the lines of I gave Weiss a personal

00:59:21.340 assurance that he would have the authority.

00:59:24.320 Right.

00:59:24.480 Which is not the same as granting him the authority.

00:59:27.520 It's saying.

00:59:28.780 But he already said he has the full authority.

00:59:32.740 He said he had the full authority to make those kinds of referrals to bring cases in other

00:59:38.580 jurisdictions if he feels it is necessary.

00:59:41.620 Not true.

00:59:43.020 And David Weiss said to Congress in a letter, I've been granted ultimate authority over

00:59:47.580 this matter, including responsibility for deciding where, when and whether to file charges

00:59:56.180 and whether to.

00:59:57.800 That's not true either.

00:59:59.220 He also lied in that June 7th letter to Congress.

01:00:02.160 He only told the truth, according to Jim Jordan, at least behind closed doors yesterday.

01:00:07.120 Yeah, they were lies.

01:00:09.320 And what I meant about Garland's testimony last month was that he was starting to walk

01:00:14.040 this back a little bit.

01:00:15.160 Right.

01:00:15.400 He was starting to say this.

01:00:17.040 This wasn't the establishment of the authority.

01:00:19.320 This was me saying, if you need it, you know, you can come to me.

01:00:22.860 But all of this is covered in lies.

01:00:26.260 I mean, including right up to the top with Joe Biden.

01:00:28.820 I mean, you talk about the media is not going to go after Garland or the media is not going

01:00:32.480 to go after Weiss.

01:00:33.120 They haven't even gone after Joe Biden for just blatant, obvious lies that went.

01:00:38.960 What was the first story is I've never talked to Hunter about business.

01:00:43.220 Right.

01:00:43.480 Then it was I was never in business with Hunter.

01:00:46.680 Then it was, well, Joe never got any money.

01:00:49.060 Well, now we see that Joe did get money.

01:00:51.340 It's just been lie after lie after lie.

01:00:53.840 You're absolutely right.

01:00:55.060 The media doesn't care.

01:00:56.360 And I got I got to be honest, you know, the whole speaker fiasco, the thing that angered

01:01:01.560 me the most about that was that Comer and the Republican Congress were really moving

01:01:06.100 the ball on this public opinion was being swayed.

01:01:09.520 It seemed like every week there was some new damning revelation.

01:01:13.000 And this past month, up until yesterday anyway, and that was behind closed doors, everything

01:01:17.680 has gone cold.

01:01:18.640 And I'm worried that we don't get that momentum back.

01:01:22.460 Mm hmm.

01:01:23.300 And this, you know, this is the thing, Stu, that Ted Cruz was saying.

01:01:27.780 If this is true, he was onto this and he was saying there's a divergence here.

01:01:32.240 You know, either he had the authority or he didn't.

01:01:34.740 We know Merrick Garland has said explicitly under oath he had the ultimate authority and

01:01:39.100 that he was empowered to charge wherever and whenever he wanted to.

01:01:42.600 And Ted Cruz was saying sitting U.S.

01:01:44.300 Senator, if that was an untruthful testimony, Merrick Garland should be impeached.

01:01:47.840 That if he if he told a lie to the U.S.

01:01:51.160 Senate under oath, he should be impeached.

01:01:53.680 And now, according to Jim Jordan, what we have is David Weiss putting the lie to that

01:01:57.160 statement, saying I did go to him.

01:01:59.580 I went to the AG, to the deputy, and I was told no.

01:02:02.540 Well, it's really fascinating to hear all this laid out this way.

01:02:06.840 I must compliment Megan Kelly's story time, which I will say I've read about 200 stories

01:02:12.100 on this particular issue and their legal wranglings and never really understood it.

01:02:16.300 That's by far the most clear explanation I've ever heard on it.

01:02:19.740 And I think that's part of the problem, you know, as far as communicating this issue.

01:02:25.860 I mean, as someone who is not an attorney, you know, they say things and you're like,

01:02:29.640 OK, well, I guess maybe he couldn't go across state lines or maybe he and I don't know,

01:02:33.540 maybe maybe that didn't happen.

01:02:34.820 It's hard for people to know who don't understand the ins and outs of this.

01:02:38.780 And this is part of their strategy, right?

01:02:40.940 They layer the lies on top of the lies on top of the lies.

01:02:43.980 And at the same time, they're running the clock out so they can get out of these charges.

01:02:48.340 And they have such a complicit media to to help them with this job.

01:02:53.520 I mean, I was listening to I think it was The Daily on Monday, like of this week, Monday.

01:02:59.000 And they were talking about the polling out of that Siena poll with Joe Biden.

01:03:02.580 And I think it was something like 45 percent of voters say it was 45 or 50 percent said that,

01:03:08.540 you know, Joe Biden profited from these business dealings with Hunter Biden.

01:03:12.040 And as they finish laying out that number, they both note.

01:03:15.960 And that's, of course, with no evidence whatsoever to support it.

01:03:18.940 Right.

01:03:19.140 Yes, I heard that.

01:03:20.700 And it was like mind blowing.

01:03:22.080 Like, what year is this?

01:03:23.180 Is it 2018?

01:03:24.520 Like, maybe we didn't have a lot of evidence in 2018.

01:03:27.020 But this is 2023.

01:03:29.220 We have incredible amounts of evidence.

01:03:31.880 We might not have full legal proof of every claim that has been made.

01:03:36.860 But evidence is how you start an investigation and start to look at those things more deeply

01:03:42.960 and get documents and bank records and all these things you need to prove to that legalistic

01:03:46.540 standard.

01:03:47.340 And they all know this.

01:03:49.520 They certainly know it with Donald Trump.

01:03:51.560 And yet here in a situation where like this stuff could be explained, this is a massive,

01:03:57.540 massive problem for a government official to be lying under oath.

01:04:02.060 And impeachment is what our founders laid out of the United States, the attorney general

01:04:06.860 of the United States.

01:04:07.680 And you could tell he looked squirrely and he looked uncomfortable.

01:04:12.540 And you knew enough to know someone's not telling me the truth.

01:04:16.120 And I don't know who or why, but I don't think I believe either one of these guys.

01:04:20.460 And then they landed on the same story and tried to get out of it with this special like

01:04:24.600 no one.

01:04:25.340 No one knows what the hell we're talking about.

01:04:27.260 Special counsel versus special attorney.

01:04:29.480 No one knows what we're saying.

01:04:30.800 We're good. 1.00

01:04:32.820 Everyone's too stupid to understand we, the two of us, really smart guys. 1.00

01:04:37.240 So it's going to be easy to mislead. 1.00

01:04:39.700 But, you know, Jim Jordan is like a dog with a bone and hasn't let this go, nor have the

01:04:44.840 House Republicans.

01:04:45.940 And they finally figured out what these two are trying to do and zeroed in on the relevant

01:04:50.140 question.

01:04:50.900 Thank God for those two whistleblowers who were unfairly smeared as liars who came forth

01:04:56.140 to say, I put it in a memo.

01:04:57.760 I'm telling you this.

01:04:58.620 I wrote it right down.

01:04:59.400 I sent it to my supervisor, who's not disputing this.

01:05:02.080 It's right here.

01:05:03.160 He said he didn't have the authority. 1.00

01:05:04.840 They said, you're a liar and you're dumbass. 1.00

01:05:07.120 You misunderstood David Weiss. 1.00

01:05:08.780 He always had the authority.

01:05:10.140 Well, now we know now.

01:05:11.620 Oh, really?

01:05:12.320 I mean, I look forward.

01:05:13.080 Maybe Jim Jordan made the whole thing up.

01:05:15.040 Maybe he's just banking on.

01:05:16.920 He's just going to lie to us and we're just never going to actually hear testimony.

01:05:19.700 I doubt it.

01:05:20.540 I doubt it.

01:05:21.060 I think this guy, David Weiss, went under oath behind closed doors, told the truth.

01:05:26.240 And the truth is, he was denied by Lisa Monaco, who's been a villain throughout this whole

01:05:31.360 thing.

01:05:31.640 Her name is all over the IRS whistleblower testimony, who interfered at every turn to 0.98

01:05:36.540 protect the president and the ass of the president's son. 0.97

01:05:40.060 She ran cover for both of them from the start. 0.99

01:05:42.960 Lisa Monaco, that's as high up as you can get in justice, minus Merrick Garland. 1.00

01:05:47.760 So she needs to be called in.

01:05:49.760 Let's hear from her next.

01:05:51.340 All right.

01:05:51.960 I'm fired up about it because we've been following it.

01:05:54.300 And Stu, you're not wrong.

01:05:55.160 It takes effort.

01:05:56.340 It takes some effort to actually understand what these guys are doing.

01:06:00.580 And they're banking on that.

01:06:02.220 But you know what?

01:06:03.140 I got all the time in the world for you people.

01:06:05.360 I got all the time in the world for you, Merrick Garland and you, David Weiss.

01:06:10.160 And many moons ago, I practiced law, too.

01:06:13.460 So I dusted off my law degree, practiced for a decade.

01:06:17.280 I still know a couple of words.

01:06:18.720 So let's do this thing.

01:06:20.680 OK, let's let's not forget as well that Hunter Biden was about a half hour away from

01:06:26.580 getting away with all of this.

01:06:28.660 Right.

01:06:29.180 There was a plea deal in place, if not for one ethical judge who said, wait a minute,

01:06:34.320 are you guys sure you're on the same page as to what this plea deal really means?

01:06:37.960 This was all going to go away.

01:06:40.660 I mean, it's absolutely amazing.

01:06:43.180 I mean, they were really that close to just burying this whole thing.

01:06:47.540 And so I'm glad you have the time for it because the American people need to hear this story.

01:06:51.600 And, you know, hopefully this has now reached a breaking point where it can't be suppressed

01:06:56.600 anymore.

01:06:57.960 Yeah, I don't think so.

01:07:00.000 It's just too hard to understand.

01:07:01.540 And the media is going to punt it because they don't want to work to figure out that

01:07:05.400 anybody did anything wrong.

01:07:06.960 If this guy has to testify before, you know, an open Congress, it could change because hearing

01:07:12.560 him say it on tape, which directly contradicts Merrick Garland, that's that's tough to ignore.

01:07:18.440 Let's switch to the other system of justice, which is very, very excited to prosecute Donald 0.99

01:07:23.180 Trump and take away his freedom and take away his businesses to over this bullshit thing 0.97

01:07:28.300 that literally every real estate developer in New York has probably done. 0.98

01:07:31.520 I mean, you could put like every real estate developer in Manhattan in jail or at least

01:07:35.560 not jail, but take away their business like Letitia James is trying to do to Trump. 1.00

01:07:39.520 So this trial has gotten so wacky in New York State Supreme and this weird judge anger on

01:07:45.080 when we boy, do we have an update on him?

01:07:47.360 It involves.

01:07:50.200 Well, like some nudie pics, like only half nudie, but more than you want to see of a judge,

01:07:57.480 especially this one.

01:07:59.060 OK, we'll get to that.

01:08:01.220 No, I had to see it.

01:08:03.180 And so do you, Dave.

01:08:04.240 All right.

01:08:04.720 You just you have another cigarette.

01:08:06.300 You guys, I thought he looked good.

01:08:11.240 I'm not even going to make the pun about Stu does students in any event.

01:08:16.580 So this guy hates Trump.

01:08:18.300 Letitia James hates Trump. 0.96

01:08:20.240 And it's serious stakes because he's basically going to lose his business in New York State

01:08:24.500 this week.

01:08:25.720 Well, last week, you saw Donald Trump Jr.

01:08:27.400 testify.

01:08:28.280 Then we saw Eric Trump testify.

01:08:30.580 Then yesterday we saw Big Trump take the stand.

01:08:33.740 And today, Ivanka goes up there.

01:08:37.620 Trump did testify and got got came out afterward and took aim at the judge who he hates.

01:08:46.640 Here's a little bit of what he said in Sot7.

01:08:48.440 This is a case that should have never been brought.

01:08:53.820 It's a case that should be dismissed immediately.

01:08:56.760 The fraud is on behalf of the court.

01:08:59.020 I don't have to be here for the most part, but I said you have to be here because I want

01:09:03.720 to be here.

01:09:04.520 This is just scam.

01:09:07.580 OK, so that was Monday.

01:09:09.360 Then he was asked when he came out later in a break how things went.

01:09:14.580 And, you know, the judge has put him under a gag order from saying certain things and

01:09:19.180 has fined him $15,000 already for violating it.

01:09:21.960 And here's what happened when he was asked about how things were going in Sot8.

01:09:29.360 For the listening audience, he's he did the zip your lip motion across his mouth.

01:09:36.040 But Letitia James, the attorney general, she's a talker. 1.00

01:09:39.460 And here's her take on how Trump's how the testimony went when Trump took the stand on

01:09:45.840 Monday.

01:09:46.340 Sot9.

01:09:47.940 He rambled.

01:09:49.800 He hurled insults.

01:09:52.700 But we expected that at the end of the day.

01:09:56.520 The documentary evidence evidence demonstrated that, in fact, he falsely inflated his assets

01:10:02.440 to basically enrich himself and his family.

01:10:04.840 Mr. Trump obviously can engage in all of these distractions and that what is what exactly what

01:10:10.740 he did, what he committed on the stand today, engaging, engaging in distractions and engaging

01:10:16.400 in name calling.

01:10:17.980 But I will not be bullied.

01:10:19.560 I will not be harassed.

01:10:21.360 This case will go on.

01:10:24.520 I don't know if you guys notice, but every time she comes to the microphones, it's I will

01:10:28.760 not be bullied.

01:10:29.380 She always finds a way to make herself into the courageous, brave anti-Trump warrior.

01:10:37.300 Like a real prosecutor would not say the word.

01:10:40.880 I would not come out at all at all.

01:10:43.660 It would be boring.

01:10:45.800 It would be judicious.

01:10:47.380 It would be fair.

01:10:48.320 It would be bending over backwards to be fair to Donald Trump.

01:10:50.840 She already won.

01:10:51.920 She already got summary judgment in her favor, but we're just cleaning up the scraps here.

01:10:55.440 And yet she can't show any class.

01:10:57.500 She's got to make it about herself.

01:10:59.300 I am strong.

01:11:01.420 I'm a warrior for truth.

01:11:03.180 Same woman who ran on getting Trump. 0.99

01:11:05.660 So, Stu, this is going to come down against him and it's going to be ugly.

01:11:10.120 And I'm not sure what the message here is other than don't run for public office because

01:11:14.860 you could lose your freedom and you could lose your business.

01:11:17.420 Especially now.

01:11:18.280 I mean, we're seeing the justice system in the age of social media, which it's does not

01:11:22.120 it's not a positive thing.

01:11:23.220 Everyone's trying to be make themselves into a star while they're trying to execute justice.

01:11:27.960 And it's not the way it's supposed to work.

01:11:30.400 It's supposed to be the opposite.

01:11:32.300 You know, Tish James, who will always hold a slight warm part in my soul after what she 0.97

01:11:38.160 was able to get Andrew Cuomo out.

01:11:40.480 So she's done at least one good thing with her life.

01:11:42.520 I'll give her that.

01:11:43.240 But, you know, watching this happen with Trump, it's like, you know, what is this really?

01:11:49.060 Like, as you point out, every real estate developer in New York would have some sort

01:11:52.640 of problem with this.

01:11:53.460 And what's if there's going to be any effect at all of this?

01:11:56.840 What is it?

01:11:57.300 A fine?

01:11:58.500 Probably that's where this would normally land with any normal human being, any other

01:12:02.600 business person in New York.

01:12:04.520 And it's so transparent, these efforts, especially because so many of them came so late, right?

01:12:10.600 Like, you know, they all knew about January 6th.

01:12:12.660 We all remember that.

01:12:13.420 We watched it on TV.

01:12:14.640 They could have done a lot of things in the immediate aftermath after that.

01:12:18.300 Instead, they waited to see if he would run again.

01:12:20.360 They waited and waited and waited with all these things to make them all pile up while

01:12:24.760 he's trying to run for president.

01:12:25.980 And it puts into the American voters mind something that I think is true in this case, that almost

01:12:32.920 none of this matters.

01:12:33.920 There's no justice at all.

01:12:35.760 This is we are turning into the banana republic we've always made fun of.

01:12:39.940 I mean, this is the type of stuff that happens in Venezuela, right, where a president can and

01:12:46.980 his political opponents will go after the leading candidate of the other side and try to take

01:12:52.960 them down, not through democracy, which is what they always say they're trying to protect,

01:12:57.860 not letting the voters make up their minds, instead trying to take them out separately.

01:13:02.700 And this is something that I think you look at and you can't believe it's the United States

01:13:08.100 of America.

01:13:08.960 You better have rock solid proof.

01:13:11.700 It better be. 0.85

01:13:12.260 I mean, it better be Donald Trump shooting someone on Fifth Avenue on camera to try to take 0.80

01:13:19.220 down a president who's up by 40 points in his primary.

01:13:21.600 They've totally lost connection and they don't care if America looks like Venezuela, because 1.00

01:13:27.900 honestly, it seems to be what they want to turn it into.

01:13:30.740 Oh, yes, they're ace in the hole.

01:13:32.280 The criminal trials are their ace in the hole on all those bad New York Times, Siena poll.

01:13:36.040 Like, don't worry, we got the trials.

01:13:37.820 The same voters said that if he actually gets convicted of a crime, I might I might go Biden.

01:13:41.840 This trial in New York is about whether Trump overstated the value of his real estate

01:13:45.740 portfolio when applying for loans and insurance policies to get better rates.

01:13:50.300 And it seems that he did and no one got hurt.

01:13:54.240 He paid back the loans.

01:13:55.200 He paid all of the policies on time.

01:13:57.100 No bank is complaining.

01:13:58.280 There's literally no victim.

01:13:59.720 Tish James just claims, you know, on principle, it's the wrong thing to say it's worth 30 million

01:14:05.140 when it's only worth 10 million.

01:14:06.600 And therefore, technically, it was a violation of the letter of the law, Dave.

01:14:10.420 So she's probably right.

01:14:13.100 The question is, does it warrant taking away the man's business, walloping him with potentially

01:14:18.060 a 250 million dollar fine?

01:14:20.100 His business is going into receivership.

01:14:22.100 What he loses potentially control over Trump Tower, Bedminster, the other things, Silver

01:14:28.080 Springs camera, what it's called, where Eric Trump resided for a time.

01:14:30.740 But all of it.

01:14:32.260 So you lose it.

01:14:33.280 I mean, I guess he should be thankful to be going to jail since he's not going to have

01:14:36.360 any place to live or work.

01:14:37.860 Thanks to Tish James.

01:14:40.200 Well, look, she wants to be governor, right?

01:14:42.620 I mean, that's what this was about.

01:14:44.180 And this was the deliverable for Democrat primary voters in New York state.

01:14:49.480 She ran for attorney general. 0.79

01:14:51.020 She said, you know, make me attorney general and I will go after Donald Trump.

01:14:55.160 I mean, just think about that.

01:14:56.580 I mean, forget about Donald Trump.

01:14:58.700 Imagine anybody running for attorney general on the basis of I'm going to go prosecute one

01:15:04.400 person, right?

01:15:05.260 I mean, unless you're talking about like Al Capone in the 1920s, that that makes no sense

01:15:10.860 and is in and of itself an act of corruption.

01:15:14.560 But this is what her voters wanted.

01:15:17.060 Right.

01:15:17.400 And her voters want her speaking truth to power. 1.00

01:15:20.540 And look at this woman who won't back down and she's not afraid of Trump.

01:15:25.480 I mean, that entire dynamic that you just described.

01:15:28.600 I mean, that's the TV show that Letitia James and the Democrats want. 1.00

01:15:33.460 And it's the TV show that we're getting.

01:15:35.460 Now, you know, I do I kind of wish that we had been able to see the confrontations within

01:15:42.220 the courtroom on television.

01:15:44.060 I think that we will be able to see that in the Georgia trial.

01:15:47.600 But it's really all Trump has left right now.

01:15:50.360 And he's absolutely right to do it is is to make this political to say I am being politically

01:15:55.100 persecuted.

01:15:55.760 I am not being prosecuted.

01:15:57.200 I'm being persecuted.

01:15:58.480 And he's absolutely right.

01:15:59.940 And I think Republican voters certainly see that.

01:16:02.920 Democrat voters don't.

01:16:04.300 I don't know where independent voters are on that.

01:16:07.100 And those may be the people, Megan, that you're referring to who could be swayed by a conviction.

01:16:11.840 So this is this is all horrible.

01:16:14.480 I mean, Stu's right.

01:16:15.560 This is not the United States of America that I grew up in.

01:16:18.680 Mm hmm.

01:16:19.700 Meanwhile, I mean, The Wall Street Journal had an editorial the other day saying they're

01:16:23.380 going to indict him right into office.

01:16:25.500 You know, his it's not just that the indictments haven't hurt him.

01:16:28.440 It's that they've really helped him.

01:16:29.780 It's it's that many Americans are actually more determined than ever to fight for Donald

01:16:34.560 Trump and to see him him in particular give the big middle finger to these overbearing

01:16:40.940 prosecutors and the abuse of our justice system by by winning the presidency.

01:16:46.000 And there's a very interesting number out there right now.

01:16:49.080 With black voters.

01:16:50.320 Listen to this, you guys.

01:16:52.560 For the first time, I think I mean, ever for a Republican presidential candidate, he is

01:16:58.440 beating the Democrat, Joe Biden, with black men.

01:17:03.220 When have you ever seen that? 1.00

01:17:06.500 Trump's beating Biden with black men.

01:17:09.280 The black vote goes overwhelmingly for the Democrat in every election and still leans Biden.

01:17:16.420 Um, I think it's over all 73 percent for Biden, but 23 percent for Trump.

01:17:21.500 That's because of black men. 0.99

01:17:22.880 Uh, that's from that New York Times Siena poll in 2020 with black men.

01:17:27.280 Biden was over Trump by 34 points.

01:17:30.380 Thirty four.

01:17:31.280 Now Trump is beating Biden by three.

01:17:33.260 It's incredible.

01:17:34.500 And Trump said, speaking of Hugh Hewitt, one of tonight's debate moderators, Trump said to

01:17:40.420 Hugh Hewitt after his mugshot, the black community is so different for me since that mugshot was 1.00

01:17:46.140 taken.

01:17:46.840 I don't know if you've seen the polls.

01:17:48.520 My polls of the black community have gone up four and five times.

01:17:51.700 That was a bit of an exaggeration at the time.

01:17:53.340 But they have gone up way up.

01:17:55.680 And I do wonder whether, you know, black men who tend in large numbers to distrust the

01:18:00.600 justice system, given the history, um, see exactly what's happening here in a very clear

01:18:05.620 way.

01:18:06.280 And maybe that's being factored in.

01:18:08.300 Maybe the Wall Street Journal is right that not just black men, but men in general and 0.99

01:18:12.320 Americans in general see what's being done to him and are not just like ambivalent about

01:18:18.420 it, but angry and are ready to vote him into office as a message.

01:18:22.100 What do you make of it, Stu?

01:18:24.060 I think it's possible.

01:18:25.520 I think, you know, the Siena poll did show that the CNN poll that came out today was not

01:18:29.380 quite as favorable if I'm, if I'm right on that.

01:18:31.840 Um, and, and I don't know if it holds up for the entire election.

01:18:35.200 I do think that that is a real thing.

01:18:37.600 And I think that there are plenty of people who recognize it.

01:18:40.600 Uh, you know, you look at this and, you know, it just seems unfair.

01:18:44.100 It's like, if, I don't know, the, the, uh, you know, the, uh, the Eagles coach was able

01:18:48.760 to kind of say, well, you know, the Cowboys, uh, they can't start their starting

01:18:52.060 quarterback.

01:18:52.400 We're going to take them off the field.

01:18:53.620 Even if for some reason they had a good argument with that, it would feel unfair.

01:18:57.300 And that's what it's feeling.

01:18:59.060 I think to the, uh, the everyday person, I, you know, I, it will be fascinating to see

01:19:04.500 if Donald Trump can actually get 20, 25% of, of African-American votes.

01:19:09.480 It would be the type of event that would realign our politics completely, right?

01:19:16.000 Like, I really think he can do it.

01:19:17.860 And the numbers are growing on the Hispanic side too.

01:19:20.500 Yeah.

01:19:21.200 Dramatically.

01:19:21.560 And, you know, the democratic profile of how they win elections is we need 95% of black 1.00

01:19:28.560 voters.

01:19:29.120 We need 80% of Hispanic voters.

01:19:32.260 We need, you know, 60, 70%, sometimes of different demographics among younger voters and female

01:19:37.900 voters.

01:19:38.240 And if those things start to, to, to crack, you really have nowhere to go.

01:19:43.740 It's going to be very difficult for them to, to, well, you've got white suburban women. 1.00

01:19:47.600 That's how they did it the last time.

01:19:48.720 But those numbers were almost even Trump v.

01:19:50.660 Biden in the New York times poll.

01:19:52.120 There weren't enough women supporting Biden to overcome the huge deficits for Biden with 0.79

01:19:57.420 men, which happens to be 50% of the electorate.

01:19:59.960 And then you'd break it down by the subgroups.

01:20:01.980 They're all going Trump independence, young people, blacks, Hispanics, more and more towards 0.76

01:20:07.340 Trump.

01:20:07.700 So the democratic coalition falls apart, at least on paper a year out.

01:20:11.440 Another interesting thing from that wall street journal editorial, they, they pointed

01:20:14.980 us to recent reporting on quote, when it back pack, this is an anti-Trump group and they're

01:20:21.760 referencing an article in political last week says the group tested for TV ads focused on

01:20:27.040 Mr. Trump's legal travails.

01:20:29.020 All right.

01:20:29.460 So this anti-Trump group is testing ads, getting ready to sick him if he gets convicted or hit

01:20:34.200 him on the, on the, um, trials, all four ads tested, failed to move support away from

01:20:40.900 Trump.

01:20:41.600 Uh, a research memo concluded even more fascinating.

01:20:45.360 Three of the commercials increased Mr. Trump's support.

01:20:49.660 Two of the TV ads backfired across almost all demographic groups.

01:20:55.400 We actually have a side of this.

01:20:56.820 Do we not team?

01:20:57.920 We have a side of one of the ads.

01:20:59.180 Yes, here it is.

01:21:00.780 Watch.

01:21:02.540 I've been with Trump from the start, but truthfully, I don't know what happens if he is convicted

01:21:13.440 while he is running.

01:21:15.340 What happens then?

01:21:16.860 What would that look like?

01:21:17.920 I don't think any of us can see that crystal ball, what that's going to look like other

01:21:22.420 than just Biden cruises, cruises it.

01:21:27.080 Let's just say that can't happen.

01:21:31.340 So they never ran because they tested so poorly with these focus groups.

01:21:36.180 The American electorate is not into the, he's a criminal narrative, at least not yet.

01:21:42.000 Dave, you know, we haven't sat through the trials.

01:21:43.840 Most will not be televised.

01:21:45.420 I just think the more they see, the more they're on team Trump.

01:21:48.360 That was just such a horrible ad.

01:21:52.140 It's like that might be the worst political ad that I've ever seen in my life.

01:21:56.320 I mean, first of all, you're starting off with the guy's a traitor, right?

01:22:00.180 So that's your big, oh, I love Donald Trump, but now I'm not so sure.

01:22:04.040 So, I mean, that's not a compelling message.

01:22:07.620 And then it's not that the ad doesn't even say that Trump committed crimes, right?

01:22:13.300 The ad says, oh, well, what are we going to do if he ends up being convicted?

01:22:17.640 And anyone reasonable who's watching that ad rewinds a bit and says, well, wait a minute.

01:22:23.620 Is he actually guilty of anything?

01:22:25.860 So, yeah, I mean, I'm not surprised that that ad backfired so badly.

01:22:29.860 And I just want to add one thing about the point on the black vote.

01:22:34.300 I think the other thing that I think plays a role, especially with black men, is that some of these woke cultural issues do not play well among black men the way that they do with suburban white women.

01:22:47.120 I mean, things like trans and Jew, other things like that.

01:22:50.720 And the more that the Democrats tie themselves to this very sort of like female led vision of society and all that stuff, it really can, you know, turn off male voters.

01:23:04.460 And I think it is.

01:23:05.820 But I don't know how the Democrats get out from under that because they've tied themselves to it so explicitly that I think they're stuck with it.

01:23:17.280 And I agree with you, Megan.

01:23:18.160 I think that the black vote could move in a really significant way in 2024.

01:23:24.540 I also just want to quickly point out to Stu that, as we saw last weekend, the Eagles don't need to cheat to beat the Cowboys.

01:23:30.420 We do that.

01:23:32.180 Thank you.

01:23:32.720 This is the best part of my day.

01:23:34.120 Dave, I appreciate that.

01:23:35.820 Now you're talking my husband's language.

01:23:37.340 OK, we got to get to the naked judge and then we'll take a break. 0.99

01:23:40.840 Judge Arthur Angeron, who really hates Trump.

01:23:43.180 Do you guys remember him smiling from the bench when the cameras went in there just for a day?

01:23:47.780 I don't know if the audience remembers this, but the camera went on the judge.

01:23:50.320 Normally, the judge would like ignore the cameras and try to be dignified.

01:23:52.640 Look at him. He's like, oh, oh, my left side's my better.

01:23:55.640 Oh, see, look at him. I guess this is his right side.

01:23:57.660 Oh, look at me. Who, me?

01:23:59.620 So that's not his only time on camera, as it turns out.

01:24:04.940 There is. OK, I'm trying to follow how he came to know this.

01:24:09.240 It's just going to read you what's right in front of me.

01:24:10.860 The Twitter account Marco Polo something posted about the judge in the New York City case, Arthur Angeron, who publishes an alumni newsletter for the Wheatley School.

01:24:21.380 He's class 67. I don't know what that is. Sounds like a high school.

01:24:25.260 Images from the newsletter show a naked man's torso.

01:24:29.940 No face is shown. But the Twitter account suggests this is Judge Arthur Angeron.

01:24:35.880 All right. Here it is. Look. Oh, oh, God.

01:24:38.360 There's a situation going on there.

01:24:43.280 It's before and after, I guess. I'm not sure.

01:24:45.560 I can't really. No offense to the judge, but I can't really tell that this is before and after.

01:24:48.980 Then Colin Rugg posted on X that he has a peculiar hobby of posting half naked photos of himself on a high school alumni newsletter that he controls, as reported on by Marco Polo.

01:25:03.200 He's 74 years old.

01:25:04.400 He appeared to even post a bonus torso photo in what looks like the bathroom of a one set of images appears to be progress photos.

01:25:16.340 I guess one is apparently showing a frailer, more malnourished male.

01:25:19.920 And then the later is him flexing excessively to try to show off his muscle gains.

01:25:26.340 I don't know. I'm concerned a little about the judge's vanity projects and his mental health as well.

01:25:37.480 Oh, wait, that leads me to my one piece of good news from last night in Virginia. 0.99

01:25:43.700 It appears one group has called it, but The New York Times hasn't that the slutty woman who had sex with her husband on camera for money, 1.00

01:25:53.680 who was running for a seat in the Virginia house, has lost. 0.99

01:25:58.180 Thank God. Thank God. It looks like she's lost.

01:26:02.000 So naked, running for office and having sex with your husband. 1.00

01:26:05.340 No. Half naked on your high school newsletter. 1.00

01:26:09.140 Who's clicking on this newsletter?

01:26:11.100 Not a problem for this judge. Any thoughts, guys?

01:26:13.900 How common is this?

01:26:15.980 I feel like I live in a totally different world.

01:26:19.200 I don't even want to look at myself in the mirror when I walk by.

01:26:21.420 Who are these people taking pictures of themselves without clothes on?

01:26:25.160 It's my view.

01:26:26.440 There should be in existence no photos of males without clothing on.

01:26:30.780 We should ban them all.

01:26:32.520 Technology should somehow prevent them.

01:26:34.420 There's no need for them.

01:26:35.840 And you should never, ever take one of yourself.

01:26:39.220 That is, there's never a good reason to do that.

01:26:42.420 And I don't know.

01:26:43.300 I mean, I'm glad the almost state senator was able to keep the porn in the confines of her marriage. 1.00

01:26:51.660 What a traditionalist.

01:26:52.860 But probably not a good idea for your political future.

01:26:55.680 Why are the, like, anti-Trump people such weirdos?

01:26:59.840 Like, it happens again and again and again.

01:27:03.200 Just, like, such strange, like, behavior.

01:27:06.740 It's like, what's going on?

01:27:08.540 Like, maybe it's all of a piece, and they're just sort of, like, strange, deranged people, and it's not just Trump.

01:27:13.720 Well, isn't it the same way, like, all the people pulling down those posters of the Israeli hostages, they're all unattractive.

01:27:19.520 I mean, those are all unattractive.

01:27:21.920 Sorry, inside and out.

01:27:23.540 You tell me what the common thread is, but I see it.

01:27:25.480 I have eyes.

01:27:26.280 That's where we pick it up right after this quick break.

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01:28:26.780 Quickly, Rashida Tlaib has been officially censured by the House for her anti-Semitic comments, rolling out a video accusing Israel of genocide and saying, including a tape of from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free, which is a call for the eradication of Israel.

01:28:49.180 And she said it was really aspirational.

01:28:51.600 It's more about peace.

01:28:53.020 So it's not.

01:28:54.120 But and that was rejected.

01:28:55.280 And she's been censured with a lot of Democrats crossing over the line to say the same about her. 0.99

01:29:01.720 Meantime, you get all these think pieces now, Dave, on, well, is that anti-Semitic from the river to the sea?

01:29:09.540 Palestine will be free.

01:29:10.380 Is anti-Zionism, anti-Semitism are like all these deep thoughts about like, I'm not sure what we're seeing in the streets is anti-Semitism when they're tearing down the pictures of the missing Jewish babies.

01:29:25.840 I don't remember any of this nuance post George Floyd.

01:29:29.860 No, it's it's amazing.

01:29:32.620 I'll have a column at Fox on Friday that's specifically about this, but it's it's stunning.

01:29:39.020 For 20 years, the left has been telling us that racism and sexism and transphobia have absolutely nothing to do with intent.

01:29:48.080 It doesn't matter what your motivation is.

01:29:50.860 We've we've basically erased words from the English language.

01:29:54.440 Right.

01:29:54.760 We're we've erased the word mother.

01:29:56.680 We're we're told you're not supposed to use the term you guys.

01:30:00.300 Right.

01:30:01.040 Because it's sexist.

01:30:02.060 Not not because your intent is to be sexist, but because it upholds these negative stereotypes or whatever it is.

01:30:10.680 Now, suddenly it comes to Jews and the rules completely reverse themselves and you can say whatever you want.

01:30:18.700 And the message to Jewish people is, you know, hey, don't be so sensitive.

01:30:21.760 Right. What happens to the left telling us if a group says this is offensive to me, then you have to respect that.

01:30:29.640 Right. If a black person or a gay person or an Eskimo says we don't like that term, we don't like what you're doing.

01:30:35.120 We find it offensive. 0.98

01:30:36.420 The left says, hey, you need to knock it off.

01:30:38.880 Not for Jews, not for Jews. 1.00

01:30:40.820 And and it's disgusting. 0.99

01:30:42.880 It is anti-Semitism and it needs to be called out everywhere.

01:30:47.340 Intent doesn't matter.

01:30:48.740 They told us that for years now.

01:30:51.240 And I know this caught the attention of both of you, but so-called Central Park Karen, which is not a nice name.

01:30:58.160 Amy Cooper is her name.

01:30:59.380 You guys remember she had this confrontation with this very aggressive, rather cruel bird watcher in Central Park and he was pissed off.

01:31:10.600 Her dog was there without a leash and said he was going to hurt it.

01:31:14.040 He was going to do what he wanted.

01:31:15.160 He said, you can do what you want, but then I'm going to do it what I want and you're not going to like it.

01:31:18.940 And she said she felt threatened.

01:31:20.300 She called my 911. 0.97

01:31:21.580 She mentioned his race.

01:31:22.780 Her life blew up.

01:31:23.880 Here's the here is the original video on SOT 26.

01:31:27.360 There is an African-American man.

01:31:30.580 I am in Central Park.

01:31:31.880 He is recording me.

01:31:33.040 I threatened myself and my dog.

01:31:39.420 I'm sorry.

01:31:40.200 I can't hear you.

01:31:40.920 I'm being threatened by a man into the ramble.

01:31:43.900 Please send the cops immediately.

01:31:47.640 She just dropped a piece in Newsweek, which is heartbreaking.

01:31:50.900 Still, her life has been ruined.

01:31:55.180 She had to.

01:31:56.140 She she lost her job. 0.99

01:31:57.860 She has been completely abused.

01:32:00.280 She writes my life as I knew it was over.

01:32:03.220 All of her personal information was released online.

01:32:06.040 Hundreds of threatening graphic images, death threats, hate mail continues to this day.

01:32:10.120 Employer fired me without even talking to me.

01:32:13.200 Blacklisted my career.

01:32:15.080 Three years later, I am still in hiding.

01:32:17.860 I am scared to be in public.

01:32:19.600 I still can't get a job that meets my qualifications.

01:32:21.800 And there have been long stretches of unemployment, all leading to thoughts of self-harm.

01:32:27.700 My family has suffered enormously.

01:32:29.660 I care for one of my parents who has a terminal illness.

01:32:32.080 I want them to know I'll be okay.

01:32:34.000 But I do not know if I ever will be.

01:32:37.720 She tried to connect with a guy.

01:32:38.980 He wouldn't speak to her. 0.86

01:32:39.840 He turned out to be a nasty guy. 0.94

01:32:41.280 He really did. 1.00

01:32:41.900 He was nasty.

01:32:42.680 And her life has been ruined over this one incident where we now know, thanks to Camille

01:32:48.060 Foster and his reporting over our pal from the Fifth Column, that this story was much

01:32:52.380 more complex.

01:32:53.080 This guy had been in the face of other dog walkers in the Bramble and had threatened them

01:32:58.700 like he was.

01:32:59.680 He had a proven record of aggression towards people like Amy Cooper.

01:33:02.260 But that's not the story these, it's nuanced people, wanted to tell.

01:33:08.280 Yeah, I'm so glad we got to talk about this.

01:33:10.520 It's criminal what happened to her. 1.00

01:33:12.180 It really is.

01:33:14.180 You know, Camille was on with Barry Weiss.

01:33:16.260 They did a podcast on this a couple of years ago.

01:33:17.960 And I encourage anyone to go back and listen to it.

01:33:19.700 It's an incredible hour.

01:33:20.900 It's a journey to go through this story. 0.83

01:33:22.460 Because when I saw the video, I thought she kind of looked insane and maybe racist too. 1.00

01:33:26.680 And the way it was reported, there was no nuance to it at all.

01:33:29.780 We found out later all the things that you point out, that she was threatened.

01:33:32.640 She was a previous victim of sexual violence, alone in a park, being threatened and being

01:33:38.180 threatened that it was confirmed by the guy.

01:33:40.460 The guy said he threatened her.

01:33:42.060 Another African-American gentleman said that he had been threatened by the same guy in the

01:33:46.600 same circumstance in that park and had two other people that he knew that had also been

01:33:51.200 threatened, but they were afraid to come forward because they were white and they were afraid 0.76

01:33:54.420 they'd be Amy Coopered.

01:33:55.620 Um, this is a travesty and a real failure of our society to not write these things for

01:34:01.700 these people.

01:34:02.340 Maybe you can understand getting it wrong initially, but why can't we come back and make these

01:34:07.820 things right?

01:34:08.640 This woman's life has been destroyed. 0.94

01:34:10.300 They took her dog.

01:34:11.920 They took her livelihood.

01:34:13.400 They took everything from her.

01:34:14.760 She's living in hiding over this. 0.94

01:34:17.240 It's completely unacceptable.

01:34:18.900 And if we actually had journalists out there, um, that would come out in the mainstream and

01:34:23.600 just say, Hey, wait a minute, look, we got this one wrong.

01:34:25.740 We're sorry about it.

01:34:26.700 Here's the truth.

01:34:27.640 But that never seems to happen.

01:34:30.160 I'm so sad.

01:34:31.200 I asked my team, what does she do for a living? 1.00

01:34:33.700 I'll give her a job, but it's something to do with insurance, which isn't really up my

01:34:37.900 alley.

01:34:39.220 I I'm so sad for her.

01:34:40.800 I hate what we did to her as a society, not the three of us sitting here.

01:34:45.520 And it's wrong.

01:34:47.100 It's like, she's owed an apology and she certainly owed a re-entry into the, the society, the

01:34:53.600 country, the area of her birth without this kind of horrible scorn.

01:34:57.740 And that term Karen should be retired. 1.00

01:35:00.140 It's a slur and it's, it's ruinous.

01:35:03.580 Joy Reed looking at you.

01:35:05.540 Uh, it's horrible.

01:35:06.600 Last thought on it, Dave.

01:35:08.280 Yeah.

01:35:08.520 Well, I mean, slurs are okay. 1.00

01:35:10.540 As long as they're directed at the oppressors slurs are wrong.

01:35:15.040 If they're addressed at the oppressed. 0.97

01:35:17.320 And, and, and that brings us right back to, uh, the fact that all of these crazy lefties 0.89

01:35:22.680 view Israel as the oppressor. 0.94

01:35:24.560 And so they'll say whatever they want about Jews and they don't consider it to be bigotry.

01:35:29.400 Uh, they consider it to be a speaking truth to power. 0.99

01:35:32.780 It's disgusting. 0.87

01:35:34.040 Oh my God. 0.99

01:35:35.260 Think about Jews are 2% of the population in America.

01:35:38.220 2% they're trying to treat them like they run the whole country, which itself is an anti-Semitic

01:35:43.020 thought guys.

01:35:44.140 Thank you.

01:35:44.740 Thank you both so much.

01:35:45.880 Love having you on tomorrow.

01:35:47.800 We've got our Megan Kelly show all stars back to break down all the highlights from tonight's

01:35:52.440 big GOP debate.

01:35:53.920 Emily Jashinsky, Michael Moynihan.

01:35:56.240 Speaking of the fifth column, Knowles, Charles CW cook.

01:35:59.040 We got them all.

01:35:59.960 Don't miss the show tomorrow.

01:36:01.540 We'll see you then.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - November 08, 2023

GOP's 2023 Election Fails, Garland's Hunter Biden Lies, and Trump's Trials Helping Him in 2024, with Stu Burguiere and Dave Marcus ｜ Ep. 665

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