The Megyn Kelly Show - Grandpa Joe's Cruelty, Kamala's Nonsense, and the Cocaine at the White House, with The Fifth Column Hosts ｜ Ep. 585

00:00:00.480 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:11.540 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy birthday, Linda.

00:00:17.560 My mom officially turns 82 today. She's here with us. We're going to have a great day and

00:00:23.380 just so happy and grateful to have her here in all ways. There's plenty to get to today.

00:00:29.220 President Biden is in Lithuania for the NATO summit days after he said Ukraine. And by

00:00:35.160 the way, just happened to casually mention the United States are running low on ammunition.

00:00:40.560 Wait, what? What? We are? Because that's kind of a problem. Is that real? We'll get into it. And

00:00:48.120 the Secret Service will hold a briefing about the White House cocaine matter on Thursday morning.

00:00:55.700 What does that tell us? That they have now scheduled a briefing on cocaine White House

00:01:00.420 for Thursday morning. We'll also take a look at some of the other 2024 presidential candidates,

00:01:05.920 including the controversy surrounding Robert F. Kennedy Jr., a topic our guests today are fired

00:01:12.520 up about. Joining us now for the full show, Camille Foster, partner at Freethink, journalist Michael

00:01:19.560 Moynihan and editor at large for Reason, Matt Welsh. They are the hosts of the Fifth Column podcast,

00:01:26.160 which you can find and support on Substack at wethefifth.substack.com. Guys, welcome back to

00:01:34.580 the show. Great to have you. Thank you for having us. Happy birthday. So, yes. Happy birthday, Linda.

00:01:41.000 Yeah. I'm so happy. She's she's doing great. And it's it's such it's so great to, you know,

00:01:45.740 to have your my dad died when I was young. And it's just so wonderful to spend time with

00:01:50.000 her. And she's still hilarious. She's so funny. I told the audience a month or so ago, she

00:01:54.380 visited me back at home in Connecticut. She was playing. It was either trouble or sorry

00:01:58.340 with my two boys. And I hear from the next room from my mother, 82 year old Nana. I hear

00:02:04.180 say, I'm not going to give you the finger, but I want to. Oh, wow. OK. OK. Bye. Stay.

00:02:14.160 That answers my question about whether we can work blue with your mom. Yeah, we're good. We're

00:02:20.180 totally good. Now, you cannot, however, talk about Joe Biden's seventh grandchild because you may offend

00:02:27.100 the ladies of The View, even if you are the revered Maureen Dowd of The New York Times,

00:02:32.280 liberal columnist who most on the left absolutely love. And she's a must read columnist. And she wrote

00:02:39.880 a piece over the weekend about the seventh grandchild saying Joe Biden's being a douchebag.

00:02:46.320 It's not not exactly what she said. You know, my take on it. And she wrote about how she's got

00:02:53.760 a sister who's a conservative and how she and her sister usually disagree on all things political. 0.95

00:02:58.660 But on this, they were in agreement. And the headline of the piece was it's seven grandkids,

00:03:03.980 Mr. President, meaning not six, as he says. And she says, look, this is not a political issue.

00:03:08.860 It's a human one. What you're doing to this little girl is wrong. She knows you're her 0.97

00:03:12.660 grandfather. You won't acknowledge her. And you continue to point out over and over. I have six,

00:03:16.420 six, six grandkids. And we all know it's seven. So that was a couple of days ago.

00:03:20.460 But then the ladies, the view took this up yesterday. And here's how that went down. 0.82

00:03:26.640 President Biden doesn't need to overstep his son. I like that part. But I don't know why they go out

00:03:31.440 of their way to say six grandchildren or four kids. When my parents talk about me, they say,

00:03:35.740 we love all our kids. We love our grandbabies. I've never seen them numerically repeat over and

00:03:40.060 over. I like three kids. I like four.

00:03:41.940 The reason that's happening is because the right wing, who, again, is weaponizing everything

00:03:48.000 related to Hunter, keeps asking, so how many children do you have?

00:03:51.720 No, it's been a speech. It's been a speech. It's been a speech. It's been a speech.

00:03:55.060 Maybe Maureen Dowd to find something else to write about.

00:03:58.040 Yeah, write about some else.

00:04:00.380 I'm sorry. You know, these things are, for me, when you start talking about people's families

00:04:07.500 and what they're doing. I find it unnecessary. This is not anybody's business. Nobody needed

00:04:14.760 to know about this. This is private.

00:04:18.380 It's private. And Maureen Dowd needs to find something else to write about, guys. Do you agree?

00:04:27.000 Not even a little bit. I mean, Joe Biden had the opportunity to remain a private citizen and not

00:04:32.100 have his personal life scrutinized and have there be public questions about his relationships with his

00:04:37.200 children and his grandchildren. Unfortunately, or fortunately, if you like him, he decided to run

00:04:42.680 for office and he won. And now people are asking completely legitimate questions. And quite frankly,

00:04:48.540 it sounds like, based on the reporting that I've seen, that his team are the ones who are particularly

00:04:55.080 concerned with the numbers that are used when talking about the grandchildren, saying that there

00:04:59.220 were six and not seven and insisting on that being the way to respond. I heard someone in that clip

00:05:05.060 say that Joe doesn't want to overstep his son with respect to the relationship with his grandchild.

00:05:10.800 I could certainly appreciate that there are some ways in which my mom and my mother-in-law,

00:05:16.640 both of whom I love dearly, kind of, they talk to us when they're having these interactions with our

00:05:23.740 children. But I am trying to imagine a universe where either of them would be put in a position where

00:05:31.580 they wouldn't go out of their way to try and have a relationship with a child that happened to be

00:05:37.540 their grandchild, even if my wife or I didn't have the, the, the, I'm looking for the right word, because

00:05:46.960 the things that I want to say might actually offend certain people's sensibilities. But I mean,

00:05:53.600 there's just so much, so little integrity on display by people.

00:05:57.460 Since when does that stop you, Camille? Go ahead and defend. Let's hear it.

00:06:00.180 The things that are appropriate to help kids.

00:06:03.300 I look, I understand that this woman is a stripper, the mother of little Navy, who is the 0.82

00:06:09.540 granddaughter. And he Hunter said she's not the dating type. And I've got to be honest. If,

00:06:15.600 if one of my boys, when they grow up has a one night stand and impregnates a woman, and then

00:06:22.940 doesn't want, you know, to be actively involved in the child's life. And I say, please do, please do.

00:06:28.420 You made the baby. You have to go be a responsible parent. And then they say, I'm going to pay child

00:06:33.900 support for this child. And I'm going to sort of live up to my financial legal responsibilities. But

00:06:39.320 I am choosing not to have an active role in the child's life. I don't know. I think I'd stay out of

00:06:44.180 it. But I'm not the president of the United States running around touting to everybody how important

00:06:50.280 family is, how my grandchildren are the most important things in the world to me. And knowing

00:06:54.960 that the grandchild that's out there knows I'm the grandparent and that I've made a decision to

00:07:01.540 actively ignore them. I mean, this this circumstance is just so unique and full of problematic elements

00:07:08.720 for this particular little girl that they're going to have to deal with it. You know, the child

00:07:16.460 doesn't exist. And I only have six is not going to cut it. Moynihan. No. You know, Megan, I say this

00:07:23.640 every time I come on the show because it happens every time. And I want to say it again. And I want

00:07:28.560 to upbraid you. I want to denounce you for making me interact with the view, which is something that I

00:07:35.200 only do on the Megyn Kelly show. One of the greatest programs in Christendom. True. But I don't care

00:07:42.980 what the lady from Sister Act says about journalism. This is what we should talk about. And then Anna

00:07:48.960 Navarro, who wasn't she a conservative at one time? And now she's talking about how the right wing keeps

00:07:54.400 on making it. Who are these people like popping up out of the bushes in the Rose Garden and the right

00:07:59.060 wing saying how many kids you got? No. And this is happening in briefings. And Corrine

00:08:05.040 Jean-Pierre, one of the worst press secretaries in American history, is a very bad job of responding 0.79

00:08:11.820 to this stuff. They had a better job than maybe we would be asking fewer questions. But here's the

00:08:15.680 thing. Hunter Biden has tied himself up with his father in so many possible ways. He's made

00:08:20.920 themselves a unit because all of his business transactions, he can drive 176 miles an hour in a

00:08:26.660 Porsche because he can afford a Porsche because of his father. He has no skills that we can see.

00:08:32.160 He's a painter, apparently, and an exceptionally bad one. And he sells these things for $500,000

00:08:37.100 because he's Hunter Biden, the president's son, not because he's a good artist. He is not an energy

00:08:42.700 expert in the Ukrainian energy sector, nor is he in the Chinese energy sector. But yet he has these

00:08:48.780 jobs. And then when he's texting people about them, he says, you know, my dad is sitting here

00:08:52.500 right next to me. And he's at the White House all the time. You know, you kind of tie yourself up with

00:08:56.620 president of the United States. And in the process of that, you leave a laptop somewhere. And in the

00:09:01.460 messages of that laptop, you have the woman who, by the way, in these messages, actually sounds 1.00

00:09:07.700 totally reasonable. She's like, hey, I get that you don't want to talk to me. I get that this. And

00:09:11.780 he's just not responding. And beyond anything, we can just say the president's son is a total rat

00:09:17.780 bag. We don't have to say that this is relevant. It's not a campaign issue. But he's a bad person.

00:09:22.480 So let's just establish that. But when the president then denies all this, I think what

00:09:26.940 this is, is a class issue. And Megan, you brought up the fact that she's a stripper. That seems to 1.00

00:09:32.060 be in the front of the mind of all these people. If she was a congressional aide to Chuck Schumer or

00:09:37.620 something with a rising political career, I suspect it probably have a different response to it. But

00:09:43.740 this working man of the people, the one who takes the train back to back to Delaware, and then,

00:09:50.000 you know, Scranton Joe doesn't want to have his family soiled by this horrible woman who, as you 1.00

00:09:58.120 point out, his repulsive son said, is not the dating kind, much less the marrying kind.

00:10:04.780 I guess she's a former stripper. I don't know the nature of their relationship.

00:10:08.560 But she has a kid. You know, I mean, look, there's no debating Hunter Biden did the wrong thing in

00:10:14.220 when this woman got pregnant, just totally abandoning all of his responsibilities, you know, 0.99

00:10:18.780 denying paternity, she had to take him to court. Even once it was proven, he tried to weasel out of

00:10:24.360 it. He hasn't wanted to spend one dime on this baby that he helped create from the moment the baby

00:10:30.320 was conceived and now is even trying to get out of living up to his full obligations by offering her

00:10:36.400 the damn paintings he's come up with instead of actual cold, hard cash from Burisma.

00:10:40.960 That's abuse.

00:10:42.280 Right. So there's no that's a that's a no brainer. But it does get more interesting when you say,

00:10:48.800 all right, you know, let's say you, Matt Welsh, prior to being a happily married man with all the

00:10:53.900 children and all that happened to have an interlude with a woman who didn't mean anything to you. 0.94

00:10:58.900 Some people make that choice to do. And she wound up pregnant. And you said, OK, 0.81

00:11:04.220 I'm going to pay for the baby. I'm going to, you know, but you didn't want anything to do with this

00:11:08.960 woman. And this woman lived across the country. And you really didn't want to sort of be actively

00:11:16.640 involved in the baby's life. Does how do you see that that judgment morally? Because we'll start

00:11:23.520 there and then we'll layer in the fact that it's Hunter Biden and it's Joe Biden, the sitting president

00:11:29.220 of the United States. And the baby's going to know who all these people are.

00:11:31.600 I am absolutely disgusted with hypothetical Matt Welsh for one from having sex. He's gross.

00:11:41.280 But but also for even thinking for a second about not taking full responsibility for parenthood. I just

00:11:48.500 don't it. It's so foreign to me. I'm all three of us are fathers of girls and Camille's got a little

00:11:55.720 problem boy, too. And it's like just the notion that you would you would deny a creation that

00:12:02.280 you're part of. I don't I just don't understand it. It feels so skeevy and gross. And to Moynihan's

00:12:07.680 point and also, you know, your question about thinking about in terms of the president of the

00:12:12.500 United States, Joe Biden has been with us or against us, but he's been in public life for 50 years.

00:12:19.160 He didn't just make that choice, you know, four years ago. He's been making that choice over and

00:12:24.480 over and over again. I saw a funny tweet from Caitlin Flanagan. Someone's like, hey, when's the

00:12:29.200 when's the proper time for Biden to say that he's not running for president to drop out of the race?

00:12:33.540 And she said 1987. It was the proper time. And it was the proper decision back then, back when we

00:12:40.740 cared about politicians absolutely plagiarizing their own life stories as he did. That's why he had to

00:12:46.300 drop out. But he's had this this lunch bucket Joe persona he's been talking about and weeping

00:12:52.280 about. And I presume most of the time weeping real tears, but about his family. It's been part of his

00:12:58.780 selling proposition that he is a family man. How many times do we have to hear about my old man

00:13:04.520 said people just they don't need a hand up. They need a middle out or something like it doesn't even

00:13:09.020 make sense anymore. But he'll bring up his family. He'll bring up his kids, his son who died.

00:13:13.940 He'll bring this up over and over again. And to have this person who's just a regular guy. He's

00:13:19.560 just there on the beach in Delaware like anybody else kind of stumbling around the sand. And isn't

00:13:23.740 that charming to deny a kid that exists that is your grandchild is is so beyond gross. It's not the

00:13:33.820 most important thing about Joe Biden. It's true. But to the extent that he's in public life and that

00:13:40.240 he has sold us on this persona, which has always been a bit ersatz as all political persona tend to

00:13:45.880 be and to do this. And there's a human being at the end of this who is blinking at the television

00:13:51.460 being, you know, the opposite of dead named or I guess that might even be dead named. You're just

00:13:56.820 not being recognized as a member of the family. It just it fills me full of revulsion at professional

00:14:04.080 politics even more than I already always am. Yeah. The the fact that he went into court,

00:14:11.620 Hunter Biden, to make sure that this little girl couldn't use the Biden name is pretty stunning. I

00:14:16.680 mean, how can a judge order that she can't use the last name of her father? I mean, that it's so. But

00:14:23.740 that's how important it was to him to to. I mean, he uses the last name of his father all the time.

00:14:28.360 That's how he makes money. He doesn't afford his child the same opportunity. And by the way,

00:14:35.000 you know, one final thing is that when you when when you see these, you know, halfwits on on the

00:14:39.900 view saying that one cannot the family's off limits, I would like anyone to spend five minutes in the

00:14:45.560 archive and see if they talked about Trump's kids at all. I suspect they probably did. Yeah. Yeah.

00:14:50.280 I mean, I grew up. I don't have much relationship, didn't have much relationship with my biological

00:14:54.560 father. I mean, it's the sort of circumstance where I would occasionally get birthday cards,

00:14:58.600 which is to say twice in the 40 odd years that I've been alive. And in both instances,

00:15:03.880 my name was misspelled. Like it's that sort of relationship. The the decision that one makes

00:15:10.660 to distance themselves from their offspring, to not make it a point to have to try and have some sort

00:15:17.400 of meaningful, positive impact on their lives, I think is astoundingly awful. It is among the most

00:15:23.780 terrible things that someone can do in my estimation. I think a grandparent has about as

00:15:30.400 much right and in my in my from my perspective, obligation to try and sow into that child's life.

00:15:37.600 And I don't I don't know that I could give Joe a pass for kind of backing his son here. I think the

00:15:44.680 thing that Joe could do for his son that would perhaps be useful, considering Hunter seems to run

00:15:50.080 away from responsibility and make any number of other poor judgments is model what it looks like

00:15:56.540 to try and be a good parent, to make this about the child and not the the mother of the child,

00:16:03.700 if they do, in fact, have an issue with her to move beyond politics. I think there are ways for them

00:16:08.700 to message around this publicly in ways for Joe to thoughtfully be a part of this child's life

00:16:14.960 and just be a grandfather. Again, just beyond politics, beyond any other consideration,

00:16:22.900 there's just something very fundamentally off about the decision making that's happening here.

00:16:29.300 And I get that he's an old guy and he's backing his son and he perhaps wants to respect that

00:16:33.620 relationship. But I think there are ways to navigate that that don't involve pretending,

00:16:38.000 masquerading as though you do not have another grandchild, as though there's no issue here.

00:16:42.880 And without any consideration for how this will impact this young woman's development.

00:16:47.320 There's no shame in having little Navy Joan come visit the White House and meet her grandfather. 0.93

00:16:54.060 And it doesn't necessarily have to be with all the other six grandkids if you've chosen not to have

00:16:58.740 that relationship. But there can be a direct relationship that's appropriate. And, you know,

00:17:03.960 you don't have to put her on display. You don't have to make a PR event out of it. You shouldn't make

00:17:07.940 a PR event out of it, but just some sort of nurturing of the relationship. So she knows she's

00:17:12.400 valued despite the fact that she was born out of wedlock and her father's obviously a hot mess of

00:17:18.600 a man. And the mother's got, you know, I don't know what the mother's past is. Former stripper 1.00

00:17:22.540 doesn't tell us all that much. But I will say this. This is, you know, I, as I said at the top,

00:17:27.620 I don't know if I were the grandmother and my child had chosen not to have an active role in

00:17:33.980 such a child's life, I would not approve of it. But I would not overrule the child. Like,

00:17:38.740 I would not go around my own child's decision to have a direct relationship. But you think about

00:17:44.360 what Maureen wrote, which really gets at the special situation here of being Joe Biden and

00:17:49.200 Hunter Biden. And she says this, this little girl has Biden blood running through her veins and all

00:17:55.640 she's going to have as a reminder of this are some of Hunter's original paintings. Sounds like a lousy

00:18:01.500 trade off if you ask me. As she grows up, knowing that her father and paternal grandparents wanted

00:18:05.920 nothing to do with her, there will be plenty of schoolmates to remind her that she wasn't wanted.

00:18:12.740 Kids can be mean that way. And she says, Mr. President, many years ago, you lost your daughter

00:18:17.240 in a horrendous car accident. Please do not throw away your granddaughter. This is from the draft letter

00:18:24.240 that Maureen's conservative sister wrote to Joe Biden that persuaded Maureen as well that he's

00:18:32.560 they're doing the wrong thing. Today, there was some wavering on it. There was a report about

00:18:37.100 Hunter Biden now potentially going. He's going to see her. I don't know what that. But at this point,

00:18:41.980 it's almost pointless because anything they do from this point forward will be just

00:18:46.160 to politically assuage Maureen Dowd and her sister and the like. Right. It's not.

00:18:51.960 I mean, politics is such a warping thing, isn't it? I mean, imagine that your life is completely

00:18:57.800 governed by political instincts. Every single decision. I mean, this happens to families that

00:19:03.080 are political families. When Ted Kennedy drove off a bridge in Chappaquiddick in Martha's Vineyard

00:19:09.120 and Mary Jo Copecchini was desperately taking her last breaths when he got to safety, he was thinking

00:19:16.000 about his political career and he didn't call the police because politics dominated everything.

00:19:21.060 When politics takes over your life like that, it makes you an immoral creature because politics is not

00:19:26.120 a place for people who have normal morality. And when you have somebody in your family, if it's a

00:19:31.660 son, if it's a... I mean, look, I kind of grimace at even saying this is that his invocation of his

00:19:39.960 son who died in political context, repeated political context, I find very unseemly too.

00:19:46.660 Because in politics, again, when it takes over every part of your life, it really intrudes upon

00:19:53.080 normal human reactions to things. And when the political consideration is first, you're doing

00:19:58.620 something wrong and you have to step away from it. Well said. All right. Well, you bring up Ted

00:20:04.200 Kennedy. Let's talk about his nephew who's running for president right now, RFK Jr. Sorry about that.

00:20:12.620 Ted Kennedy's brothers, so many Kennedys. Ted Kennedy had many brothers, one of whom was president of the

00:20:17.820 United States, John F. Kennedy, one of whom was attorney general of the United States, Robert F.

00:20:22.640 Kennedy. And that man's son is RFK Jr., who's now running for president of the United States. So many

00:20:27.500 Kennedys, so little time. And RFK Jr., or RFKJ, as I call him, is polling at... It's like 10... Is it...

00:20:37.360 Is it 20%? 15%. It's like... It's almost 20%. It's almost 20%. I mean, that's amazing. That's

00:20:45.300 where Ron DeSantis is. I mean, my God, think of it. That's what a strong challenge he's posing on

00:20:52.260 the Dem side. But the party, of course, will squash him like a bug. They won't let him debate

00:20:57.580 against Joe Biden, who clearly is the frontrunner and has got some 66% in terms of being the next

00:21:02.900 nominee. We'll see. I mean, it's not that anybody's rooting for this, but something could

00:21:07.320 happen to Joe Biden. And if RFK Jr. were challenging Kamala Harris, we might see a very different

00:21:13.760 reaction from the Democratic National Committee and Democrats writ large. I don't know what could

00:21:18.500 happen, but the answer is anything in politics these days. So he's getting more and more traction

00:21:24.700 and people are taking a closer look at him. And I know you guys are not huge fans, I think it's fair

00:21:30.180 to say, of RFKJ. So I would love to talk about this with you because I don't know that much about

00:21:37.240 him. You know, we did a very challenging interview, which we've touched on a little bit with you guys

00:21:42.620 on his stance, not in particular on COVID vaccines, but more his vaccine skepticism on a larger scale,

00:21:50.920 the questions he's raised about the MMR vaccines and, you know, sort of bigger vaccine questions.

00:21:55.400 And then we did a deep profile of his personal life and his life as a Kennedy, which was actually

00:22:01.040 really interesting. Anyway, you guys, I'm Matt Welsh. I read your piece not long ago talking about

00:22:06.560 like how you think people are sort of missing the story on RFKJ, these new like Republicans who love

00:22:13.000 his anti-Fauci stance and his anti-military industrial stance. You might be missing a few things

00:22:19.320 that are relevant to RFKJ and also the fact that he's running as a Democrat for a reason,

00:22:24.560 as some of these prior positions make clear. He's got a career as a dot connector, which is the

00:22:32.700 friendly way of saying conspiracy theorists. But I think actually, and he's used that phrase,

00:22:37.100 I think he even used that phrase on your show. He's like, maybe I'll connect some dots over here

00:22:40.800 about why Tucker Carlson was fired by Big Pharma, which I went and wasted a lot of time to look into

00:22:46.580 just because as the exercise, like, OK, it might be plausible. Let's look into it. And it was bonkers

00:22:52.140 as an accusation, I think. Why? I want you to let you finish your point, but just why do you think

00:23:00.020 that's bonkers? It rests on a conversation that he allegedly had with Roger Ailes, with whom he had

00:23:06.740 a really interesting, weird relationship. They made a TV show together or worked on one in the mid-1970s.

00:23:12.820 It it's bonkers because there's no other reporting anywhere to suggest this. Tucker Carlson has been

00:23:20.860 going against Big Pharma and talking about Big Pharma, as have several other Fox anchors before,

00:23:27.460 during and after the time that Tucker Carlson was fired, like literally the same week. The accusation

00:23:32.980 from RFK Jr. was that Tucker finally crossed this line that you cannot cross in American politics to

00:23:38.460 say that pharma is this malevolent force that influences too much in media and they kind of

00:23:44.400 dictate and call the shots and make people write about or broadcast things that are pro pharma at

00:23:50.480 every step. OK, so if he crossed that line, how is it that all of these other people who work at

00:23:57.360 Fox continuously cross the exact same line and that Tucker had crossed that line several times in the

00:24:03.280 past and it was never a problem? Meanwhile, you have all of these other absolutely contemporaneous

00:24:08.420 things that are factors are very potentially plausible factors in Tucker Carlson separation

00:24:15.640 with Fox. So there's no evidence to support it. Even the amount of advertising that that Fox News

00:24:22.060 gets from Big Pharma compared to other people or from from Pfizer and people who had skin in the game

00:24:27.460 in terms of the COVID vaccine is not as much as other networks. It just doesn't it doesn't make sense.

00:24:33.140 It doesn't pass Ocom's razor. And then all of the supporting evidence that you would think that would

00:24:37.320 bolster that evaporates upon contact. And this is what happens repeatedly when you look into Robert F.

00:24:43.280 Kennedy Jr.'s claims about anything. And I've only looked into about a half a dozen of them.

00:24:48.460 They just dissolve. He made two different completely long accusations about who really killed Martha

00:24:56.800 Moxley because it obviously wasn't his cousin. And one time it was it was definitely going to be.

00:25:02.860 Wait, wait, wait, wait. I know who that is. And you know who that is. But a lot of our listeners

00:25:07.460 will not have any idea who Martha Moxley is. She was. This is the problem with R.K. I have to like

00:25:12.080 learn things about the Kennedy family, which I've spent my entire life trying not to know anything

00:25:16.900 about. This is a disturbing and fascinating crime. But I love true crime. And I think a lot of our

00:25:21.880 audience knows that. But Martha Moxley was killed in the early 1970s in a Tony suburb of Greenwich,

00:25:28.300 Connecticut. And it was said and ultimately this person was tried that a someone related to the

00:25:35.680 Kennedy's did it. Michael Skakel was the name of the boy who was ultimately as leader as a man 0.56

00:25:41.580 arrested and convicted. But then the conviction was thrown out years later for the crime. Skakel is

00:25:47.800 part of the Kennedy clan. Skakel's mother was. OK, hold on. I'm trying to remember. So RFK Jr.'s mother

00:25:55.560 is Ethel Kennedy, but her maiden name, his RFK Jr.'s mom, who married RFK, her maiden name was

00:26:02.140 Ethel Skakel. And her brother. Is the father of Michael Skakel, who got accused of killing this

00:26:09.760 young girl. So their first cousins is the bottom line. RFKJ and Michael Skakel, our first cousins

00:26:15.040 and Michael Skakel, who was 15 years old when this little girl got beaten to death the night

00:26:19.500 before Halloween in this suburb by a golf club. They never they didn't make an arrest for years

00:26:26.180 and years. Ultimately, as as like a grown man, got arrested and tried and convicted and then

00:26:30.840 ultimately was thrown out and they chose not to retry him at that point. He'd already served,

00:26:34.940 I think, 10 years. Go ahead. Yes. So bludgeoned to death, brutal murder of golf clubs, Halloween

00:26:40.860 night. I think it was. And so he wrote and Bobby Kennedy and him were were very good friends,

00:26:46.660 very close growing up. And I get defending your cousin and also thinking that he didn't do it.

00:26:51.140 What I don't get is that he wrote a 2003 Atlantic magazine piece, about 50 trillion words long,

00:26:58.200 as he tends to do in his pieces that eventually, in many cases, get retracted by the original sources.

00:27:04.660 Um, and in that piece, he let's talk about that. Let's talk because there was one infamous incident

00:27:09.580 with Rolling Stone, which we can get into. But I don't know what what other ones you're referring

00:27:13.420 to. Salon dot com. Same. That was the same. That was same reporting. What's that? Salon dot com

00:27:20.900 had the same retractions based on the Rolling Stone piece. So that's all one incident.

00:27:25.160 There's there. I believe there's two incidents. One is a vaccine related. And then the other one was

00:27:30.540 about the election being stolen by the GOP in 2004, 2004, which was eventually retracted by Salon dot

00:27:38.660 com. I think I think that's the the chain. But both of those things were heavily contested at the time

00:27:45.920 and either a series of corrections and then retractions afterwards.

00:27:50.560 The big one that people use against him is the Rolling Stone article, which came out about whether

00:27:55.920 vaccines have any role in causing autism. And everybody uses that and says, Rolling Stone had

00:28:00.700 to retract your big article. And we took a deep dive on that before he came on. We looked at the

00:28:04.840 four things that led Rolling Stone to withdraw or retract the article. And two, I think two out of

00:28:10.560 the four went in our case favor. If anything, they had understated the risk and they corrected it after

00:28:15.920 the vote. So that and the others were not did not get to the central piece of whether vaccines could

00:28:21.200 play any role in autism. I'm not saying vaccines cause autism for the record.

00:28:25.100 I'll just give you my opinion as a reporter and somebody with no dog in this hunt. When I looked

00:28:29.500 at the Rolling Stone correction that had been cited by everybody to discredit the guy, I was like,

00:28:34.280 this is it. This is the stuff that led to the retraction of this article. I'm not persuaded. So

00:28:40.520 anyway, OK, got it. And the Salon thing, he did claim that the 2004, not 2000, 2004 election was

00:28:46.880 stolen by the GOP. That's a different story. Keep going.

00:28:51.040 Yes. So so you looked into at least one of those. I've looked into like four of them into my

00:28:58.120 satisfaction and everyone should have their own sense of satisfaction. But there's other people

00:29:01.920 who report on the Martha Moxley story who've retraced his reporting as they did in the salon.com

00:29:06.960 in the 2004 people who had covered the election irregularities or alleged irregularities in Ohio,

00:29:15.100 which is where his thing was based on. And there's a pattern in each one of these cases when there's a

00:29:19.620 local reporter who has been covering the same exact things, then retraces his steps. I have found

00:29:24.880 every single time that I've looked in it and that his steps are terrible. He takes shortcuts

00:29:31.100 constantly. He leaps to conspiratorial conclusions. He connects dots. That's what he does. And so I,

00:29:37.740 as someone who is a journalist, I don't have a campaign to discredit RFK. I think it's ridiculous

00:29:43.060 that anyone tries to de-platform him. I think YouTube kicked off a Jordan Peterson interview with him

00:29:48.360 this week. That's ridiculous. Don't do it. I think he should be at debates. I'm grateful that he's

00:29:52.520 running. I think more people should run and that if more people ran, he might not have 15% or maybe

00:29:57.140 he would have more. We don't know. I think de-platforming is wrong. I love political

00:30:01.180 competition. Trust me. I'm just looking at this from the perspective of someone who's interested

00:30:05.940 in journalism more than I'm interested in how mad I am at the elites and people who-

00:30:10.400 Okay, but let me ask you this. I take all of that. I know you're a good faith on everything

00:30:14.980 and always super researched and well-informed in your opinions. But I will say that what I see people

00:30:20.720 doing with him is they just take like their favorites and they tick them off. Like they'll say,

00:30:25.540 oh, you know, vaccines cause autism, which is not what he said. He said that our children are

00:30:30.760 swimming in a toxic stew. And I think the vaccines may play some role in causing not just autism, but

00:30:36.380 ADHD and ticks and all these other things. And we can get into all of that. That's what we did the

00:30:42.860 long episode on. Are they, are they playing some role? What's the evidence of it? And we got

00:30:46.040 very, very deep in all that. But I think there's sort of from others, uh, like a laziness to just

00:30:51.880 sort of take these things off. Whereas some of them, like I can debate the Martha Moxley case with

00:30:57.280 you. I think Michael Skakel did it 100%. I think Michael Skakel killed Martha Moxley. He was a weird

00:31:03.840 guy. He was said to have done animal torture. Hello. All of those people turn out to be killers.

00:31:08.440 He was jerking off in the trees, watching her. I mean like that. Yes. It's a whole thing.

00:31:14.660 Happy birthday. Um, um, but RFKJ said he had a witness, a friend of theirs who said these two guys

00:31:28.440 came into town that night and that they, there were quotes from this other guy's name was Tony

00:31:34.180 Bryant. We looked it up and this former classmates of Michael Skakel's Tony Bryant said, I know that

00:31:40.160 he didn't do it. I know who actually did do it. These two other guys, he named them. He described

00:31:45.760 their direct quotes and how they were focused on Martha Moxley and how they killed her. Now I don't

00:31:52.180 believe it, but I don't think it's a conspiracy theory for RFKJ to say, this is a credible guy.

00:31:58.480 And I believe him. And I know that my first cousin couldn't have done this.

00:32:02.220 Well, can I chime in here quickly? Just on one thing is that no way on its own, it's not a

00:32:07.240 conspiracy theory. Um, you know, I've, I read a bit of his thing. Um, I followed the Martha Moxley

00:32:13.220 case, um, when it was kind of revivified and, and, um, Michael Skakel went to jail, but I don't,

00:32:19.680 you know, remember all the details of it. And I think it's perfectly plausible that there's

00:32:22.880 another explanation for this. We see this in a number of kind of true crime, uh, cases,

00:32:27.620 but the thing for me is that you finding patterns here. And the pattern is that, um, Robert F.

00:32:36.000 Kennedy Jr. Um, lurches towards what people call the conspiratorial. And I think for good reason

00:32:41.560 in the conspiracy theorist is, um, you know, a slur, right? But it does actually make sense when

00:32:48.700 every explanation for something that is actually not, not proven, it's very hard to prove all these

00:32:55.260 things, but when the opposite version or kind of the more conspiratorial one is the one that he

00:32:59.660 always goes for. And a couple of examples of this, um, the CIA did not kill his father.

00:33:03.680 I'm sorry. I've looked into this more than any person should. I've read far too many books about

00:33:10.000 it. Um, people make the argument about his uncle too. I don't believe that either, but I'm,

00:33:15.980 you know, according to the American popular and, and, and, you know, opinion polls, most people do

00:33:20.500 believe that there is a conspiracy to kill his uncle. So he's not out of the mainstream on that

00:33:24.460 one. I suppose I am, but that one, you know, so that was a conspiracy. The Michael Skakel one,

00:33:30.000 um, you know, his book about Anthony Fauci, a huge amount of it is about how HIV doesn't cause AIDS.

00:33:37.080 Now there are people, uh, that do believe this, a very, very small minority. Um, some of them are

00:33:43.140 actual scientists and, you know, it's, it's, but it's a, it's a very, very minority position.

00:33:47.060 And I find it very odd because, because, um, RFK, when he was talking about climate change stuff

00:33:52.060 and remember, he became really a force in, in American politics and activist politics

00:33:57.320 as an environmental campaigner. Um, when he was, uh, saying that people should be prosecuted,

00:34:03.480 uh, companies should be prosecuted. The Koch brothers should be prosecuted for denying climate

00:34:08.320 change, something he is trying to start, I think, start walking back. Matt can, Matt can speak to

00:34:12.980 that because I haven't paid too much attention to that. Matt actually was the one that dug up that

00:34:15.980 clip. Um, the thing that I find weird about it is that when he's saying that he says, look,

00:34:21.760 all the experts agree. 90% of the experts agree. There is a scientific consensus. So there are times

00:34:27.060 when the scientific consensus on this issue matters, the scientific consensus on, you know, vaccines,

00:34:32.200 COVID vaccines, HIV and AIDS. He then throws that out the window. There's consensus on who killed

00:34:38.100 his father. He throws it out. So I find it's kind of an odd thing. There is a conspiratorial

00:34:42.700 thing to, I think to his instincts. Take your point. Take your point. I take your point. And

00:34:47.000 it does tend to be that when somebody sees conspiracies over and over again, like they

00:34:51.020 see them in everything. And we've seen that in people like Alex Jones and others, like it's an,

00:34:55.260 it's a rabbit hole. You can get sucked down fairly easily, especially in 2023 America, especially

00:35:02.320 right. And on the, especially when your father and uncle were murdered too, that can actually have

00:35:06.700 an effect, I imagine. Exactly right. But also, you know, for even normal people post January 6th,

00:35:13.220 post COVID lockdowns, post, you know, being lied to repeatedly by Anthony Fauci and others like him,

00:35:18.340 which we know happened. Right. And it's, it's just, and not to mention what the FBI and the DOJ

00:35:23.040 have been doing. Like I can see how his brand of, yes, he is more conspiratorial thinking is becoming

00:35:30.580 very appealing to a lot of people. And we've had people on this show, Michael Shermer and others

00:35:35.620 talking about his skeptic magazine, talking about how, you know, you've got to really steal yourself

00:35:41.920 against this because that kind of thinking can be very attractive and it can just, it can pull you

00:35:47.400 in because it makes you feel like you're smarter than everybody. Correct. You're in on it. Yeah.

00:35:52.700 You know, you're in, you're in like the red, nobody else gets it and you're in on it. Like I remember

00:35:57.440 interviewing Alex Jones and he was saying all the crazy things about frogs. And I was like,

00:36:01.140 oh my Lord, this guy's a lunatic. And then we went back and checked it. And lo and behold,

00:36:04.500 the son of a bitch was right. The frogs are turning female, like the water's turning frogs 1.00

00:36:10.740 into girl frog, boy frogs into girl frogs. It's happening. They're like trans frogs and they're 1.00

00:36:16.880 gay trans frogs. I'm like, he's a lunatic. It was true, but it doesn't mean it's happening to humans, 1.00

00:36:22.200 right? There is a leap to be made. That's what I want. Megan, they're gay frogs. Let me just tell 1.00

00:36:28.400 you. Really? I went back to NBC and I'm like, oh, he's a lunatic. And then the NBC fact check

00:36:35.400 and she came back, they're like, it's true. I'm like, oh my God. Yeah, but this, all this stuff

00:36:39.760 works. I mean, Megan, you know this, I went down to Alex Jones's studio right before the inauguration

00:36:45.200 of Trump and spent some time with him there. And, you know, I mean, I found him a totally fascinating

00:36:49.580 character, a very funny character. He was a great person to interview. It was only when you did it

00:36:54.360 that people got mad and said, don't platform it. When I did it, nobody gave a shit. So it says a lot

00:36:58.440 more about me than it says about anything else. But the thing about Jones is that the entire thing

00:37:03.640 rests upon stuff that does actually exist, right? I mean, it has to have some plausibility to it.

00:37:11.040 Otherwise, you know, these things just kind of, you know, are dead on offer. And you're right about

00:37:16.200 the fact that all of these things that have existed recently, but the thing about it is when

00:37:20.880 it comes to the Fauci stuff, when it comes to the mass stuff, when it comes to, if you don't,

00:37:25.220 if you get, I mean, look, I was watching the Wimbledon the other day and people were talking

00:37:28.100 about Djokovic who was denied entry and kicked out of Australia for not having a vaccine.

00:37:32.840 This was all based on the idea that being vaccinated prevented the spread. They're still

00:37:37.600 having conversations about how Djokovic was insane to do that, despite the fact that we now know

00:37:43.540 that the idea behind that, the thing that was underlying it was wrong. But the thing is,

00:37:49.660 this stuff all eventually came out. The same thing is true of the Russia nonsense and all the 0.95

00:37:55.800 conspiratorial stuff that you still see on MSNBC and everything. But the thing is, it's a very,

00:38:02.220 and Michael Shermer, I think is great on this stuff. It's very tempting when so much of this stuff turns

00:38:07.300 out to be bullshit, to say that everything is bullshit, that everything that you can possibly see 0.90

00:38:13.380 is not in that there are these elites and stuff. There are, but it's not always the case that the

00:38:19.040 CIA is going to kill your father or 9-11 was an inside job or HIV doesn't cause AIDS and it was a 0.56

00:38:26.120 big pharma conspiracy. That stuff is very hard over years and years and years to keep that hidden and

00:38:33.300 keep that secret. Look, we've gotten a lot of shit from our listeners who really like him and they like

00:38:39.340 him for exactly what you're talking about. It is the instinct that unlike other politicians,

00:38:44.920 he has the instinct to say, these people in power are full of shit and they're tricking you. It's

00:38:50.400 like when people said about Trump, the man talking about the working man is also a billionaire from

00:38:55.740 Manhattan. The man talking about the shadowy conspiracy and these families that control the

00:39:00.820 world is a Kennedy. I mean, it's rather funny that that's happening, but it also gives it an air of

00:39:05.760 credibility and respectability. So I get the instinct and I get why people are mad at us,

00:39:10.200 but I think that the things that he's right about, he's right about. But I think the whole package

00:39:14.780 and particularly for people on the right, and this is the warning that I would give to people on the

00:39:18.540 right, and I'm sorry for ranting about this, but the man is still a man of the left. Ask him what he

00:39:22.880 wants to do about economic policy. That's what nobody cares about. They want to talk about the COVID

00:39:27.280 stuff. I get it. I get it. This is a man who praised Hugo Chavez in 2008, 2009, very fulsomely,

00:39:33.200 as did his brother, Joe. This is not a guy that you want as a conservative. He will satisfy these

00:39:41.440 and hit all these erogenous zones of attacking Fauci and these people that suck. Yes, yes,

00:39:47.680 I get it. The whole package is not something that you want in the White House. I'm sorry to say.

00:39:52.320 As an alternative to Joe Biden, though, he is very appealing. I mean, at least-

00:39:55.740 Anything is appealing. Hunter is appealing.

00:39:57.300 He's very smart. Hunter 2024. Yeah. And I think he's an honest man. I don't think he's a dishonest

00:40:07.480 man. Go ahead, Camille. No, the only thing I'd add to the litany is with respect to immunizations

00:40:12.380 and pharma conspiracies, immunizations make up an infinitesimally small portion of total pharma

00:40:20.540 profits. It seems rather odd to suggest that there is this broad conspiracy to destroy people

00:40:26.940 who talk about immunizations in particular in public and express skepticism. I mean, the consensus

00:40:36.180 in favor of them is pretty substantial and the revenue at risk is not so enormous. It just doesn't

00:40:44.780 watch. But we know we know they were they they were in favor of censorship. I mean, that that doesn't

00:40:49.840 mean that they ran around getting people fired. But I mean, big pharma definitely wanted people

00:40:55.160 silenced on these negative side effects of the vaccine, for example. And then just to go back even

00:41:02.100 further, one of the things RFKJ is pointing out is that when he calls it a gold rush when these vaccines

00:41:10.640 first came out and became part of the mandatory offerings for young people and that they had to

00:41:17.040 provide some sort of liability shield for them. And so it was like they were delighted because they

00:41:22.460 were mandatory. These guys were making them all and they were shielded from liability. And then people

00:41:27.280 weren't asking questions about them. And off to the races we went. And it's right around 1989. And

00:41:32.360 then we saw this huge spike in autism. And so he he when we had our interview, he was not saying I am

00:41:38.300 definitively saying that they caused the autism. And he had all of his kids vaccinated and his kids

00:41:42.640 don't have autism. You know, he was saying, if you look at that point in time and you look at what

00:41:46.660 was happening as an environmental lawyer, he was living it firsthand. So I've heard I think it was

00:41:50.660 you, Matt, saying like, is this the guy's he's not a doctor. One of you guys was saying he's not a

00:41:56.320 doctor. How is he going to be advising us on all this? But he's an environmental lawyer. And trust me,

00:42:00.400 as a lawyer who is a commercial litigator for 10 years, you do become an expert in this. I if there was a

00:42:05.100 point at which I was an expert in retreaded tires, people, I could have gone down the highway and

00:42:10.180 seen those like tires on the side of the road. And I could have told you, oh, that's that's my bandag.

00:42:14.500 This is what happened. They're like, I bandag change it. I was subscribed to modern tire dealer,

00:42:21.280 boys. So you magazine, by the way, very anti vaccination, but very strange. Page three girls are off

00:42:27.680 the charts. Anyway, I don't I forget my point. My point is basically, I think he is coming at it

00:42:36.460 from an honest angle doesn't mean he's always right. And I think I take your point. I think

00:42:40.600 it's fair that he sees a conspiracy in way more instances than those of us who would agree with

00:42:47.900 him on Fauci. And some of these other things might might, you know, fall into. All right,

00:42:54.200 stand by. We have much more with the host of the fifth column podcast. They're here for the whole

00:42:57.020 show after this quick break. Guys, our favorite podcaster and only our favorite podcaster,

00:43:07.240 Chris Cuomo is back. Yes, he's he's back at it. This is this is the best when he offers life advice.

00:43:15.180 You know, he's worried about you guys. Maybe you're not finding the motivation you need to

00:43:19.420 do well in this life and to get after it. And here are his thoughts on that.

00:43:25.040 Real talk. Oh, no, this is the reality. All the people you see with the David Goggins and the self

00:43:33.260 talk and the embrace the suck and the stay hard and go get it, get after it. Even me, let's get after

00:43:39.240 it. Sometimes you're just this. I don't want to work. Maybe it's my feelings of depression or

00:43:47.480 whatever. I just don't want to do it. That's what this video is. Real talk a little bit longer. And

00:43:53.220 here's my motivation. I got you guys. So what do you do when you don't want to you start? That's

00:44:02.660 the hardest part. Get up. Don't give in to self talk until you have to be started at 237 a few months

00:44:10.260 ago. Now. I was like, but why does he have a shirt off? Got to do the work. Got to do the work. The

00:44:19.480 grind is the glory. Easy to say. Hard to do. Just take the shirt off, bro. Oh, my Lord.

00:44:29.620 I should tell the listening audience, he did the first half of that with a pillow like over his face.

00:44:33.560 What was that? And then he showed us his belly. Yeah. Wasn't that, was there a camera break? Cause

00:44:40.520 like, you know, we do this podcast and they're like, can you move your computer this way? Can

00:44:43.560 you? He did the whole thing with a frigging pillow on his face. I mean, I don't want to see

00:44:47.160 his face, but then he shows me his stomach. Pick one. And he's talking about Bilbo Baggins or

00:44:51.240 whatever. Who the hell are these people? Who's doggins? I don't even know what this is. I love the guy

00:44:56.680 that's giving me life advice. You just got fired from like the best job of his life.

00:45:00.520 Who literally grew up in like this political royalty family who had everything handed to

00:45:06.760 him. Like, could you stop? Just stop. He wants to be Oprah. Yes. But Oprah never put a pillow

00:45:13.160 over her face in bed. Or showed us her naked belly. Not on camera. Not on camera. Yeah. 0.64

00:45:18.120 I think that there should be a hard and fast rule of that men should keep their shirts on unless they 1.00

00:45:25.480 are a professional athlete or, you know, they're at Muscle Beach or something like that.

00:45:30.440 And are at a respectable age. No, no, no, no. No, no, no. Matt, you're wrong. And I'm going to tell

00:45:34.760 you why you're wrong. And this is maybe sound a bit, um, you know, I don't know how to say it,

00:45:39.400 but, um, I, I will say something in defense of Robert F. Kennedy, when he took his shirt off and

00:45:44.360 was on Twitter lifting weights, I was like, that is actually very impressive. Maybe the CIA did kill

00:45:48.680 his father agreed because that I was really impressed by that. Cause he's like seven,

00:45:53.240 67 or something. 68. He's ripped. He's amazing. Super jacked. I still don't need to put on a

00:45:59.640 time. That had a point. That had a point. I think he really was trying to show us how much younger and

00:46:03.240 more vibrant he is than Joe Biden. This with Chris Cuomo has no point. I mean, he has a long

00:46:07.640 supplements at all to get that. Chris Cuomo has a long history of trying to show us his muscle

00:46:13.000 and like building his whatever. I don't know what it's like. And he, if you listen, the whole video

00:46:17.480 goes on about the number of pull-ups he did and the number of pushups he like, who does that? What

00:46:23.240 man does that? The answer is in the question. It's Chris Cuomo. I don't know. Watch this stuff.

00:46:31.480 You watch the view and you listen to Chris Cuomo, Megan, you're going to have some serious mental

00:46:36.280 health issues in the next like two years. How do you think she gets out of bed with the, 0.99

00:46:40.760 she got the pillow on, the camera person there. Yeah. I want to see Megan's version of that.

00:46:46.200 Come on guys. You got to get up. I'm like, I don't want to get out of bed. Cause I know what my

00:46:49.720 team has got for me in this hideous packet, the view Chris Cuomo. I love it. I love to laugh.

00:46:55.240 And so, you know, the news hounds, it was this organization that their motto was we watch Fox.

00:46:59.320 So you don't have to, cause they, they lived in Fox news. That's my team. That's my day. They

00:47:03.800 live to watch Fox news and the view. So you don't have to, we have to laugh and we can't laugh at the

00:47:08.440 news and each other. Then where are we gentlemen? Then we are the ones showing off our news felt post 237

00:47:15.880 body and our abdominals and we're flexing and we're flexing the other way.

00:47:23.160 I don't know. I think it says something bad about certain other body parts that he doesn't want to

00:47:28.040 talk about. Okay. With that, I'm going to pause and go to break. We'll be right back. The guys from

00:47:32.440 the fifth column stay with us and don't forget you can find the Megan Kelly show live on Sirius XM

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00:47:45.640 that's youtube.com slash Megan Kelly.

00:47:52.200 So we're, we're talking about Chris Cuomo and his naked belly. And I have to tell you,

00:47:58.440 gentlemen, he may be onto something because the New York times reports that guess what's coming back?

00:48:04.680 Crop tops for men, corrupt tops. I'm sorry. Coming back. Was there a time when that was a thing? 0.84

00:48:13.080 Yes. Yes. I missed this memo. Well, the New York times suggests that was big in the

00:48:19.640 seventies or eighties. I can't remember. Um, here's what they say. There are the more modest styles

00:48:25.960 that hit right at your waistline, but many are cropped short enough to expose a navel,

00:48:32.120 look to expose a navel guys. Some are, some are wearing them by taking scissors to old t-shirts.

00:48:38.680 Others buy the racks, others from stores, women's sections. And they go on to, to quote,

00:48:46.040 man after man, after man, look at this guy. Just like, look at this. And I mean, listen,

00:48:52.760 I'm going to be honest. My first thought was every single man that you're quoting in here

00:48:56.280 is a gay man. There's no straight who would wear, right? I mean, there was, and yet, and yet, um, 1.00

00:49:03.160 we go on to Cody James, 27 works in advertising in New York said he grew up watching movies and TV

00:49:11.080 shows from the eighties and the nineties and started wearing crop tops about a year ago.

00:49:14.360 Mr. James said about 70% of the shirts he owns are cropped. Most. He added hip below his navel,

00:49:20.040 though. If you were short enough to show it, quote, my girlfriend. Oh, my girlfriend always

00:49:25.560 makes fun of me. What, what? Because sometimes she just wants a shirt to wear to bed, but they're

00:49:30.840 all crop tops. I have bad news for the girlfriend. Yeah. Your boyfriend's gay. Sorry. I'm sorry. 1.00

00:49:39.080 That's I'd be the bearer of bad news on the Megyn Kelly show. Nothing wrong with that. We celebrate it. 0.98

00:49:44.040 I just, you know, you're being, you're being tricked. But your girlfriend might not celebrate it.

00:49:47.880 Yeah. But it's real. I don't, I don't believe this. I'm a crop top skeptic. I don't think this is a

00:49:52.600 thing. The question that I have to ask myself as a journalist and as someone who has gotten sources

00:50:03.480 for stories, when you're doing a story about a crop top, how do you find the person who this guy,

00:50:09.880 Cody, whatever, 27, who works at some ad agency and says, you know, I found my source. The man is 70%

00:50:17.160 crop top. Matt, do you know how to do this? Do you know how to post on, do you post on Twitter or

00:50:21.640 something? Who's the, who's the crappiest of the crop tops in your neighborhood? I don't understand

00:50:25.720 this. You know, in fairness to the trend existing before the trend did exist before in college

00:50:32.200 football in the 1980s. Correct.

00:50:33.960 That is correct.

00:50:34.680 Who would wear mesh crop top, like tailbacks from SMU would wear a little crop. And then they look 0.99

00:50:40.360 great because they were tailbacks and they're running over your face at a thousand miles an

00:50:44.360 hour. And it was perfectly fine. They had those little hip pads that would come up. Remember those, 0.98

00:50:47.640 um, sexy, all of it, but like nobody actually wore crop tops.

00:50:51.480 Um, the people in the photos, for those of you listening, as I listened to Megan,

00:50:55.640 the game, Megan Kelly podcast on, uh, a, as an MP3 and not as a video, those of you who have not

00:51:01.560 seen these pictures, the people that are showing, they're not football players. They, uh, they might

00:51:06.440 run over your face, but it's a different context in a car. So the, uh, the best Twitter account,

00:51:12.520 uh, it's super 70 sports. They have the best, best, uh, I'll, we'll post it in just a bit,

00:51:16.520 but he, he had a post just the other day with a, you know, a guy, it looked like seventies wear

00:51:20.520 with a crop top football Jersey out there, like watering his lawn. I think. And he said,

00:51:24.600 every one of us knew this guy, but somehow there's something different about it. There

00:51:29.080 are no football jerseys in any of these photos. And you've got people complaining like, um, some

00:51:35.000 men like Joseph Damien, 22, some men say the attention crop tops attract can be unwanted.

00:51:42.200 He's a content creator in Fresno. Okay. And he started to add this shirts to his wardrobe

00:51:47.160 about three years ago, has been wearing them in public for about a year and a half.

00:51:50.600 So he's wearing them privately for a year and a half. Yeah. For multiple years. Yeah.

00:51:55.320 In public, people are talking to him and looking at his ridiculous shirt and he's saying, Hey,

00:51:59.400 I'm up here. Uh, you know, eyes, please stop staring at my belly.

00:52:04.360 The quote is I've had people look at me weird because I'm wearing one. You think you think,

00:52:11.160 but the way out of it, just in case you were guys were toying with it, you were thinking about

00:52:14.760 going crop top adjacent the way out of it is the, he says, I feel like the way to actually

00:52:19.160 rock a crop top is to just be confident. You just got to like, we're loud. We're proud guys.

00:52:25.880 Let it show like Chris Cuomo. Put them out there. I, I, I agree with this. And I, and this,

00:52:32.280 I'm going to go somewhere here. Cause now we know that on the cover of magazines,

00:52:35.960 sports illustrated swimsuit issue, you know, uh, women's magazines, you have women of all

00:52:40.840 shapes and sizes, correct? This is where we are now. This is sometimes they're not even women, 1.00

00:52:45.080 by the way, on the cover of the swimsuit issue. But, um, we don't see that on men's magazines.

00:52:51.160 You don't see like overweight men with their shirts off or in like short shorts. I'm saying we should,

00:52:57.240 and I'm saying now is the time for those of us who are maybe a bit doughy in places. I want to be

00:53:02.760 the cover on the cover of the magazine because I deserve it because I am proud of who I am, Megan.

00:53:10.200 Fact check quickly. Prince Fielder was on the cover. Uh, the body issue, either of, uh, of ESPN

00:53:16.920 magazine or sports illustrated naked Prince Fielder. Prince Fielder is a big man. Yes.

00:53:23.000 A lot of home runs back in the day and was a vegetarian. Weirdly. None of it made sense.

00:53:27.880 That was one man. That was one man. But to your point, did you guys see the latest enrollee

00:53:36.680 featured model in the Miami swimsuit? Not parade. It was like a fashion show. Look at this.

00:53:45.000 Look. Okay. Listening audience is a man. I don't know what's happening with the lips. Oh, 0.99

00:53:49.320 there's a serious issue with the lips. They make Kim Kardashian's lips look small, 1.00

00:53:53.240 as does the ass makes Kim Kardashian's look small and pink. I don't even know.

00:53:58.600 Bathing suit. Right. Wow.

00:54:00.600 It's just confused faces. I can't see what that is.

00:54:02.920 Look at it again. Is that? Oh, yes. It's a man. It's a tuckered bathing suit. Oh, Lord. 0.99

00:54:08.840 Yes. That's the right reaction. Yeah. I'm not okay with that, but, um,

00:54:12.040 mm, mm, mm, thong up the bottom. Featured as one of the big models at this year's Miami swimsuit

00:54:19.960 runway show. And it's a no. I mean, this, why this person normally, I mean, they're like,

00:54:28.040 maybe I sound mean, but I think there was something to the day and age when

00:54:32.920 we shamed people like this too much to go out in public and parade down the runway. I miss those days.

00:54:38.200 So you're, you're calling for a, uh, a shaming period to come back again. Um,

00:54:47.000 you should get a red hat, Megan, that says make models hot again, because we need to, we need to, 1.00

00:54:54.360 I do want that. I'm not saying that to me. I'm saying that's Megan Kelly. So when you report on

00:54:57.960 that, that's her that has these horrible, horrible retrograde views. I don't like hot models. I like 1.00

00:55:03.560 them ugly. I want the people wearing the women's swimsuit for the, for the, you know, display, 1.00

00:55:09.240 whatever the runway to be women. That's what I want. I don't want a man. I don't want chest hair. 1.00

00:55:14.280 I don't want the big fake lips and the big, big bottom. Oh, wait, was that a man? Stop it. 0.98

00:55:21.400 Was that a man? Are you joking?

00:55:23.560 What women has chest hair? There was a penis. 1.00

00:55:26.920 Please. We don't actually know what's going on down there. I mean, it could be,

00:55:30.280 Oh, we know. Oh my God. A woman does not have. Oh my Lord. I just looked. I saw what was going 1.00

00:55:35.320 on down there. Holy cow. It's a man. Oh my God. I didn't notice that. Yeah. Oh, now you,

00:55:44.120 now you want one of my hats, Megan. I don't see gender, uh, until you showed the bit where the 1.00

00:55:49.560 front was. And then I saw gender very explicitly saw gender. Yeah. It's very alarming. I have to say 0.94

00:55:55.640 a brief question about the, the New York times and the state of affairs over there. I mean,

00:56:00.520 is there any reason to suspect that coverage of the crop top, uh, phenomena has something to do

00:56:08.840 or can at least be correlated in an important way with the fact that they're abandoning their

00:56:14.920 sports coverage? Yes. Like, is this, is this something that we should be reading into at all?

00:56:19.320 Hmm. That's interesting. Right. Cause they purchased, uh, what's it called? The,

00:56:22.520 the athletic, the athletic, and they've decided no more New York times sports reporters just going

00:56:28.040 to go through them. So what you're saying is they're catering to a different kind of crowd.

00:56:32.120 Now they're not going to go sports. They're going to go crop top male males who aren't toxically

00:56:37.800 masculine. And the sports coverage had a bit of a, of a, of a weird bent to it as well.

00:56:45.160 Matt Welch, uh, would, uh, very routinely send us, uh, the cover of, uh, the sports page

00:56:52.040 in the New York times. I mean, Matt did this all the time and he would just take a picture of this

00:56:55.800 and send this to our, our text change. And it would always be like, you know, decolonizing cricket

00:57:00.920 or, you know, uh, white supremacy in speed skating. And it's like, wait, what, what is it?

00:57:05.640 Is there a sports issue here? It's like, no, no, no. We're doing the thing for New York times readers

00:57:10.440 who hate sports. I have literally never looked at the sports page of the New York times. I get it

00:57:15.160 delivered to my house every day and I've never looked at the sports page. New York posts. I will look at the

00:57:19.560 sports. But so they woke a fight, even the sports page. Oh my God. Oh, not even. It was a, an

00:57:25.480 especially situation. Yes. All like, you know, racial tensions at the women's wrestling, a high

00:57:31.640 school, Texas, like places that had nothing to do with New York that wasn't attracting any kind

00:57:36.120 of national attention. You, you, you, you, you damn well, right. They're going to write about that

00:57:40.760 a lot. I mean, it actually started sort of on one sense with how will reigns the former executive

00:57:45.160 veteran. He actually lost. He sort of bounced out because of his obsessive coverage of the

00:57:51.960 Augusta and whether the Augusta golf course allowed black people to be members or how long

00:57:56.040 that lasted. I forget the exact details, but he was just, which is an interesting story to write

00:58:01.400 a few stories about. He wrote like, uh, wouldn't, wouldn't, uh, stop yammering about it. But as

00:58:08.360 someone who likes sports, baseball and basketball, especially, and like sports writing when it's,

00:58:13.160 when it's great, um, I, I, it, it actually wounds me to see the LA times just basically

00:58:17.800 as boiled down at sports section to, I think four pages inside some other section, they've

00:58:22.920 cut off the deadline at three to 3 PM every day for a printer deadline. I grew up reading the LA

00:58:27.720 times sports, Jim Murray, uh, Bill Dwyer, uh, Mike Bresnahan, Ross, all these guys, incredible,

00:58:33.240 incredible hall of fame talent really got me excited about journalism and that stuff just, uh,

00:58:37.960 just has died away for a lot of different conflicting reasons, but definitely the New York times

00:58:42.200 sports section has been aggressively trying to make you feel bad about liking sports for a really

00:58:47.400 long time. To Camille's point, though, I think that them purchasing the athletic and euthanizing

00:58:53.800 their own sports people is a way to get around union rules because the athletic is a non-union shop.

00:58:58.120 Um, and the athletic still covers sports like it's, uh, sports. Um, so maybe actually someone

00:59:03.400 within the New York times is like, Hey, let's, let's mix it up with some sports coverage.

00:59:07.000 You know, as always, I've got you because I, I, I see you, I hear you in your struggle for a little

00:59:15.080 inspo. And while you may not be finding it in the New York times sports pages or LA times sports pages,

00:59:20.760 I have got just the remedy for you, Matt Welsh. And her name is Kamala Harris. She's got thoughts

00:59:25.720 on what you might refer to as culture. And I think this is going to make you feel a lot better. Take a

00:59:30.600 listen. Great. Awesome. Well, I think culture is, it is a reflection of our moment and our time.

00:59:39.560 Right. And, and, and present culture is the way we express how we're feeling about the moment.

00:59:47.560 And, and we should always find times to express how we feel about the moment. That is a reflection of

00:59:53.480 joy. Cause every, you know, it comes in the morning. We have to find ways to also express

01:00:05.640 the way we feel about the moment in terms of just having language and, and, and a connection

01:00:12.280 to how people are experiencing life. And I think about it in that way too.

01:00:16.280 Why did no one intervene when there was somebody on stage having a stroke?

01:00:27.400 That seems to be rather rude. Good Lord. That was the best description. I mean,

01:00:32.920 we should do contests on the fifth column of Kamala Harris. She's like, you know, food 1.00

01:00:38.040 is the thing that you put in your mouth. It is tasty. It is food. It is calories. It's just like,

01:00:43.240 she's describing what culture kind of is, but not even really. And then just ramble. Wow.

01:00:48.840 That was amazing. That's one of my favorites. I have to say.

01:00:51.160 Culture is how you feel about the moment. Oh, by the way, as you know, it's not her first time

01:00:57.160 with the total fail in offering a profundity of any kind. And my crack team in between watching

01:01:04.600 The View and Chris Cuomo put this lovely 60 seconds together. I think you're really going to enjoy it.

01:01:09.960 Oh no. It is time for us to do what we have been doing. And that time is every day.

01:01:17.720 We all believe that when we talk about the children of the community,

01:01:21.560 they are the children of the community. Talking about the significance of the passage of time,

01:01:27.880 right? The significance of the passage of time. So when you think about it, there is great

01:01:33.160 significance to the passage of time. I am here standing here on the northern flank on the eastern

01:01:40.840 flank because we have the ability to see what can be unburdened by what has been and then to make the

01:01:49.240 possible actually happen. To see the moment in time in which we exist in our present and to be able to

01:01:59.720 contextualize it. To understand where we exist in the history and in the moment as it relates not

01:02:07.720 only to the past but the future. But let's always take a moment to also see what we have achieved thus

01:02:13.640 far while we clearly see the moment that we are presently in. So we have achieved a lot.

01:02:21.560 Oh my God. That's exactly what I was saying. She just repeats it. When you drive the car,

01:02:29.560 you get in and you go to the location because you're in the car and you're driving there.

01:02:33.400 It's like what? It's unbelievable. Good Lord. She's incredible. She's incredible. Master of

01:02:38.760 tautology. It's the best thing ever in American policy. She has a thing that she's good at. This

01:02:44.680 is what she's got. It's amazing. Right. May she reign. I never want her to go anywhere. I love

01:02:51.400 listening to her. Her and Karine Jean-Pierre. They're cut from the same cloth, you know, just

01:02:56.760 actually saying absolutely nothing with tons of words toward that end. It is a skill. It shouldn't

01:03:02.680 be underestimated. It's a skill. It could be one of those sleep apps, you know, like the rainforest.

01:03:07.720 It's just sort of like saying this is the space. Yeah. What is that? ASMR where she's whispering

01:03:18.440 just like words. I have a new theory, um, based on watching that video, the great, uh, put together

01:03:23.960 video. And I hope that people will YouTube this if you're listening. Otherwise, um, uh, that your staff

01:03:28.680 put together, um, watch your hands, which are very active hands. I hear this a little bit out there

01:03:35.080 theory, but me and RFK Jr. Been talking about it. Um, and it is that she's been taken over by some

01:03:41.720 kind of like, uh, like the real Kamala is inside, but she's been taken over by some like alien or some 0.82

01:03:46.440 AI technology or something. And when the hands are really starting to go, that is the interior Kamala

01:03:52.920 trying to get our attention and saying, help. The problem with your theory is that AI is smart

01:04:00.200 and that's the problem, right? You can't possibly be that. The one thing I did notice about that clip

01:04:05.800 is that, um, I was in Warsaw and I was about to meet the president, President Duda, and they

01:04:11.800 canceled it because Kamala Harris was in town. And you showed a clip of that day where I was cooling

01:04:16.920 my heels in the presidential palace, true story in Warsaw waiting. And they were like, I'm sorry,

01:04:21.320 Kamala Harris is here. And so rather than get a penetrating interview with the president of Poland,

01:04:25.960 he had to sit next to a woman and he was like, I thought I spoke English. What is happening? I

01:04:30.600 mean, am I not? Do I guess I don't speak English? And that's what that's, instead of talking to me,

01:04:35.080 that's what he had to do. It's an embarrassment. It's an embarrassment. Like, so we'll laugh at this

01:04:39.160 because it's obvious drivel, but we're like the left wing press. They don't like her. No, 1.00

01:04:44.280 even the Democrats don't like her, but remember what they did to Dan Quayle?

01:04:47.960 She's not getting that treatment by the press. They still, every once in a while,

01:04:52.040 give it like another six months and you'll get the hit piece on why we're all sexist,

01:04:55.800 and misogynists and racists for having any fun at her expense whatsoever. And that all these

01:05:01.000 criticisms come from our bigotry at base. But they have done it. I mean, they're doing it.

01:05:06.040 They're doing it now, but they do it not in the way that they did with Dan Quayle or George W. Bush

01:05:09.960 is that they do the drip, drip, drip. I mean, there was a story about the turnover in her office.

01:05:14.920 I mean, there's a story the other day and Politico about Joe Biden's anger issues. And I mean,

01:05:21.160 Joe Biden's been in politics for many, many, many, many years. This has been long known. If you look

01:05:26.200 at books from, you know, recounting the Obama presidency, there was a couple of references to

01:05:30.360 this. People talking about how Joe Biden was like very difficult to deal with and he'd start yelling

01:05:35.160 at people, et cetera. It's never talked about until the time then there's a certain number of people

01:05:39.800 who think it should be talked about. And I think those are the people that number one, don't want her

01:05:43.560 on the ticket. Number two, kind of know that he's a problem as a candidate and the machine of the DNC

01:05:50.040 is not going to allow that. So you see these little stories that come out. Those come out. Those are,

01:05:54.520 those are sources from the White House. The same thing was true with the Kamala Harris story in the

01:05:58.040 New York Times about, you know, how she's out to lunch and how, you know, there's a huge staff

01:06:02.520 turner and no one really likes her, that sort of thing. Those are all very targeted. Everything in

01:06:06.120 politics is targeted. It's like a film, every frame in a, in a film, it's there for a reason. They

01:06:10.840 set theirs. They set it up for a very long period of time. And when you, when you see these stories

01:06:14.760 about Kamala, they don't come out and do it the way they did it with George Bush and, and Dan Quayle,

01:06:19.480 which is ridicule because that you can never come back from. This is a kind of the controlled

01:06:23.720 opposition from the inside. And they do that with her. It's true. It's, it's much less damaging to say

01:06:28.760 she or he, um, is an angry bitch or bastard. Um, it's, it's less damaging to say that than to say, 0.98

01:06:38.120 oh my God, she's an idiot. I mean, honestly, I, I gave her the benefit of the doubt. I did not

01:06:42.840 think she was an idiot. I now think she's a moron. She's just, she's not that smart. I forgive

01:06:47.880 me. I'm still one of those people who gets wooed by titles. I'm like, she was the attorney general

01:06:51.400 of the state of California. You know, like how dumb could she be like dumb? The answer is very,

01:06:56.360 very dumb is the answer. And I've come to that conclusion just with my own eyes and ears from

01:07:01.880 watching and listening to her. She cannot put two sentences together. I mean, the old man is actually

01:07:06.760 losing his mental faculties. She's just not a smart person. And it concerns me because that's

01:07:12.280 all we have in line of the democratic side. And as Trump's numbers continue to go up and up and up,

01:07:16.200 and I realized some of the polls are showing him beating Joe Biden now in a hypothetical matchup.

01:07:20.040 Um, he's still very vulnerable. He did not win in 2020 and it looks like it's going to be the same

01:07:25.080 matchup. And honestly, Joe Biden's knocking on, you know, the grim reaper's door and she could be

01:07:32.520 the president of the United States in the next six years by default. If things go, you know,

01:07:38.440 in a dark and upsetting way, I'm concerned. I know you, please. Well, there are very few people

01:07:46.920 that I like in American politics anyways, and she's certainly not one of them. But I have zero

01:07:52.920 doubt whatsoever at this point that if anything were to happen to Joe Biden or if he were to decide,

01:07:57.640 you know what, I'm not going to do this. I have just not, they would find someone else, Gavin

01:08:01.640 Newsom to run as quickly as possible and push them to the forefront. There, there is, doesn't

01:08:07.720 seem to be any meaningful constituency for Kamala Harris. And the fact is that even when she became

01:08:13.480 the president's pick for VP, it wasn't necessarily because he thought that there was this expectation

01:08:19.640 that she would be so helpful on his ticket apart from being generic, prominent black woman. 1.00

01:08:25.960 That is what we were promised before he selected her, not selected because of her qualifications,

01:08:32.280 selected, but I suppose her qualifications in this particular case were the shape and shade of her

01:08:36.920 genitalia, which I mean, that is offensive on its face. I have two theories that overlap.

01:08:44.360 Wow. That was a, that was the line. She's got a 41% approval rating, 56%. Who are the 41% who approve

01:08:52.600 of Kamala Harris? I mean, honestly, I wonder, I don't know. Those are people who just don't want

01:08:55.720 to say the wrong thing when the pollster calls. Go ahead, Matt Welsh.

01:08:58.440 The two theories are one that Americans right now are getting the politics that they deserve,

01:09:06.120 good and hard. I blame all of us for everything. And then two, that Kamala Harris is the most

01:09:13.480 spectacular example of failing up in American politics. I don't think that you can find a single,

01:09:19.000 someone who's, who's very bad at running campaigns managed to win a lot of them and be plucked and

01:09:26.680 put as a vice president. That's, that's fantastic. And has shown no, uh, dazzle or sizzle as a public

01:09:32.520 official. So those two things are going to combine. Um, I think whatever your worst case scenario is for

01:09:38.520 American politics is the likeliest one. So for me, um, it is, people are going to be petrified.

01:09:43.720 My Democrats are going to be petrified of having anybody, uh, seen as competing either with Kamala

01:09:48.360 Harris or Joe Biden. That's why only RFK junior and Marianne Williamson, who's polling at 6%, uh,

01:09:54.440 which never was within shouting distance of before, um, are in the race and polling pretty high. Um,

01:09:59.680 so what's going to happen is no one will challenge Biden. He'll win the nomination. He will fall down

01:10:05.320 again. And this time have a really hard time getting up. Uh, meanwhile, it's too late to kind of

01:10:10.120 change the ballot. Everyone knows it's going to be Kamala Harris. Donald Trump, meanwhile,

01:10:14.560 is in jail. Um, and he'll of course win the primary in jail. First case scenarios. Um,

01:10:20.720 he wins the primary in jail. So it'll be Donald Trump, uh, with a Republican nomination in jail

01:10:26.920 versus basically Kamala Harris who nobody likes. Um, and I think we're at, uh, uh, Cornell West and

01:10:33.100 RFK junior will have a green party, a libertarian party unity ticket. Um, and that's what we're going to

01:10:38.420 get in 2020. I don't think,

01:10:40.120 but just as a, as a point, I don't think Donald Trump has any chance of being in jail

01:10:44.720 worst case scenario for him at the time of the actual election. I think, you know, it's very

01:10:49.620 easy to delay. It's very easy to delay, especially a criminal case. You know, it's the defendant who

01:10:55.260 normally wants a speedy trial. They can keep kicking this down the line. They can keep coming

01:10:59.620 up with motion practice. The New York courts are famously overburdened and take a long time to decide

01:11:04.700 motions. And I think that they can stop that trial in New York from even happening prior to the

01:11:10.040 election. And for sure, the federal trial is not happening anytime before 2024. So I just don't

01:11:16.260 think, I think if anything, if he was going to be tried, it might happen after he was either elected

01:11:22.240 or lost, uh, in 2020, you don't buy the rocket docket theory. That's, that's not a rocket docket

01:11:28.540 in New York. That's about Florida, Virginia. No, no down in Miami. Are you down in Miami where he is

01:11:34.200 a rocket docket is in Virginia, but the, the, the one in Miami is going to take longer than the one

01:11:39.900 in New York. And not just because it was brought a couple of months later. It's, there's going to be

01:11:42.740 tons of litigation on what's classified, what's not classified. What access can we provide to the

01:11:46.720 jurors? What documents can they see? What documents can they not see? Does it, do they need security

01:11:50.280 clearance of their own? How are we going to get them that that's going to, Andy McCarthy's been

01:11:54.000 talking about this, who tried the blind shake case, the guy who bombed the world trainers trade

01:11:58.100 center the first time. And he's been saying like that, that alone, it was a dumb move for Jack Smith

01:12:02.400 to even interject that he should have just gone for obstruction. You know, like we gave him a subpoena,

01:12:06.940 he didn't comply as opposed to injecting the whole classified documents. Well, sort of related issue

01:12:13.460 into it because that's going to take forever. And I really don't, and no federal court case goes

01:12:17.660 particularly fast. So I just don't think he's going to get tried on any of that prior to either

01:12:21.380 becoming the president or losing the presidential race. And if he does run and lose, or if another

01:12:27.040 Republican runs and loses, then Donald Trump is in a whole host of trouble. He's in a lot of trouble

01:12:32.560 because I do think a New York jury, even though that case is a joke, might hate him enough to

01:12:36.760 convict him. I don't think that. Yeah. And that's an Andy McCarthy who's been very, very critical of

01:12:41.100 Trump on a lot of these issues. One would not expect that. I mean, he's been not been partisan about

01:12:46.040 this. One thing I want to say about Democrats, I mean, it is really, really important to remember

01:12:50.240 this data point that has been shown over and over again in polling that a majority of Democrats

01:12:56.740 do not want Joe Biden to run. This is rather important if you're sitting in the DNC. And if you're

01:13:04.520 looking at these numbers, and as you pointed out, Megan, Donald Trump, who lost the 2020 election,

01:13:09.880 his, you know, his favorables have never been good. And it's close. It shouldn't be close. It's,

01:13:16.520 you know, the old sketch with John Lovitz on SNL when he was playing Mike Dukakis, and he turns around

01:13:23.040 and says, I can't believe I'm losing to this guy. That is kind of the point of like, how is this

01:13:27.360 happening? Because what you would expect in something like this is some sort of leak about

01:13:31.600 certain people in the Democratic Party. And I have a feeling as to why this isn't happening,

01:13:35.480 because the opposition are nut bars like Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib, and AOC, etc. But you would

01:13:43.260 imagine there'd be somebody in there that's leaking a story about how there is a small group of people,

01:13:48.700 powerful people that are going to Joe Biden saying, you gotta step back. Everybody remembers

01:13:54.000 that those two lines from LBJ in 1968, right? I will not seek, nor will I accept the nomination of my

01:14:03.960 party for the President of the United States. And he said that in 1968, for a very good reason. 0.96

01:14:08.460 And also, you can remember, it was in 1973, when Barry Goldwater took that walk over to the White 0.78

01:14:14.080 House, Barry Goldwater, Mr. Conservative, and said to the President, you had was for that he walked

01:14:19.000 over and said, you got to resign. This is not looking good for you, you got to go. And that was the

01:14:23.960 culmination of a lot of Republicans coming and saying that, where are the Democrats right now,

01:14:28.260 who just for their own sake of survival, are not going to Joe Biden and saying, I mean, is the wall

01:14:34.900 around him that strong and that great? Apparently it is. And that is like a suicide of the party,

01:14:41.260 in a way, if they're going to run somebody who can barely get through his first term, much less I can't

01:14:47.400 imagine him getting through a second. Do we know, like, by when, as a practical matter, they'd really

01:14:54.200 have to do that? You know, like, if they could possibly persuade him to step down and to take

01:14:59.620 his number two with him and sub in Gavin Newsom, do we know by when, realistically, they would have

01:15:06.060 to do that to get, you know, Gavin Newsom on the ballot and to get him with a head of steam going

01:15:11.480 into Iowa, which, of course, won't be the first. Now, South Carolina is going to be first on the

01:15:15.440 side come January of 24. Like, anybody know?

01:15:19.040 I mean, it's just a matter of, they award the delegates at the primaries and caucuses.

01:15:25.500 So it's just when there's a, it has to do with whatever the deadline is for filing to get them

01:15:31.220 in. And I think that varies by state. So presumably you could do it in March and April still, before

01:15:37.160 the first Super Tuesday, depending on whether there's a long filing backlog deadline. So it can

01:15:43.140 be, you know, I think practically it would have to be in November or October or December. There

01:15:48.940 would have to be, someone is planning this out. My God, besides Gavin Newsom, someone

01:15:53.620 is clearly planning this out. It has to be wargaming a strategy. But again, since we're

01:15:58.340 getting the politics that we deserve, maybe they're just somehow not. They just are trying

01:16:02.700 to squinch their eyes shut and make it all go away and that people will rally to Joe just

01:16:07.520 like they did in the last primary campaign. And that's a, that's a foolish approach to take

01:16:12.660 because this isn't the last primary campaign. People are not animated by the same crazy like

01:16:19.300 fear and lockstep kind of dynamics to get rid of Donald Trump because he's not in office

01:16:23.860 anymore. He's less of a threat. So you're not going to be able to sort of back the, the

01:16:28.300 seemingly normal guy. Also the seemingly normal guy looks less and less normal by the day.

01:16:33.140 So yeah, someone should be doing this, but it's the Democratic Party right now. So who knows? Maybe

01:16:38.220 they're not. Wouldn't it be amazing if it was Gavin Newsom? Because then you, you would have

01:16:41.840 the ex-husband of his opponent's daughter-in-law. Is that, is that right? Yeah. That would be rather

01:16:47.960 odd, right? Well, they're not married. Don Jr. and Kimberly aren't married, but they're,

01:16:52.160 Oh, they're not married. Oh, I thought they were. Five plus years. Yeah. No, but I mean,

01:16:55.780 she's obviously a campaign figure and yeah, she's been together. Yeah. I mean,

01:16:58.820 it would just be an odd thing, right? She's, she was the first lady of California or San Francisco 0.80

01:17:03.980 when she was married to San Francisco, Mayor Gavin Newsom. And now, you know, who knows? Don Jr.,

01:17:08.580 he polls pretty well in some of these polls. He could be the future president. She could be the

01:17:11.380 first lady in the United States someday. It's a big swing. It's a big swing. Now, listen,

01:17:15.400 one of the things Joe Biden might be doing in order to keep himself alert and a little bit more

01:17:19.580 spry in the White House could be cocaine, could be, could be. I don't, we don't think it's him,

01:17:24.740 but it's still a mystery whose cocaine it is. We don't know. And now the secret service is holding

01:17:31.240 a briefing Thursday morning to update us. Trump, who I realize he tweets out truth, truths out a lot

01:17:39.240 of stuff, but he did live in the White House for four years, is saying there's no way the secret

01:17:45.520 service doesn't already know whose it is. There's no way. And I tend to believe Trump on that. I tend to

01:17:51.200 agree with him on that. But listen to Kareem Jean-Pierre and how indignant she is when she

01:17:58.620 gets asked, can you just say explicitly that it doesn't belong to a Biden? Listen to this.

01:18:03.840 I'm just saying once and for all, whether or not the cocaine belonged to the Biden family.

01:18:08.980 There has been some irresponsible reporting about the family. And and so I got to call that out here.

01:18:18.080 And I have been very clear. I was clear two days ago when talking about this over and over again,

01:18:24.280 as I was being asked the question, as you know, and media outlets reported this, the Biden family

01:18:29.540 was not here. They were not here. They were at Camp David. They were not here on Friday. They were not

01:18:35.000 here Saturday. They were not here Sunday. They were not even here Monday. They came back on Tuesday.

01:18:39.420 So to ask that question is actually incredibly irresponsible. And and I'll just leave it there.

01:18:48.300 OK, hell of a dodge. Hell of a dodge. Hell of a dodge. Didn't hear the word. No, didn't hear the word.

01:18:53.520 It's not theirs. Did not hear those words. Also, they left on Friday, I think, like six thirty or seven.

01:18:58.260 So they were be one of them. They were in the White House. I mean, so that's actually the irresponsible,

01:19:02.460 quote unquote, irresponsible question was met by a lying answer. So just typical politics, I guess.

01:19:09.420 Phil Houston, the spy, the lie guy who ran. He created and ran the CIA's deception detection

01:19:15.000 program for 25 years. He says one of one of the many signs of lying is when you attack the question

01:19:21.960 itself. Right. Like it is opposed to just being like, yes, I can say it wasn't theirs. You've got 0.83

01:19:28.360 to say that's incredibly irresponsible of you to even ask it and then list a long days, a list,

01:19:34.960 a long list of days in which they weren't at the White House. And even your list is a lie,

01:19:38.500 right? Like a lot of lying went on in that 60 second answer she just gave right there, which

01:19:42.700 tells us something. I don't know if it tells us it's the Bidens, but at least Kareem Jean-Pierre,

01:19:47.100 I think, has her doubts. I've always been curious about her and just the way that she does her job.

01:19:52.500 I mean, for me, if I was doing her job, it feels like a much better response to that is, look, I get it.

01:19:59.240 I'm not going to entertain this ridiculous speculation. The Secret Service is looking into this.

01:20:04.000 They're investigating it. They will have their announcement later this week. And if you want

01:20:09.260 to indulge in preposterous speculation about the Biden family, be my guest. But I'm not going to

01:20:15.680 do it from this lectern. But that would be the correct word. Is it preposterous? Preposterous?

01:20:21.620 I mean, that's what she should say. The president's son is a crackhead. So no, it's not.

01:20:31.260 And lest you wonder, like, is it really as bad as we think it is with Hunter Biden? Was he really

01:20:36.240 that bad off? I give you the following nugget from just a couple, like a year plus ago when he

01:20:41.380 was going on his book tour. I think we called them rocks, Megan.

01:20:43.900 I spent more time on my hands and knees picking through rugs, smoking anything that even remotely

01:20:54.460 resembled crack cocaine. I probably smoked more Parmesan cheese than anyone, anyone that you know,

01:21:04.080 I'm sure, Tracy. Because there'd be crumbs mixed in? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I went one time for 13 days

01:21:13.460 without sleeping and smoking crack and drinking vodka exclusively throughout that entire time.

01:21:22.160 By the way, that guy is saying that the mother of Little Navy Joan wasn't the dating type.

01:21:27.300 What are you? What are you, sir? He's a real catch. He's a real catch. He's resourceful,

01:21:35.320 Megan. He finds cocaine in the Parmesan or whatever the hell he's saying. I'm going to be looking at my

01:21:40.500 craft in the freezer refrigerator a totally different way. Like what? What the hell? I

01:21:44.640 was just sprinkling it on pasta. Yeah. I don't know if that is a vindication

01:21:49.500 of him or not, because he clearly does lose drugs, but he also quickly finds them.

01:21:56.120 So maybe he wouldn't have left it at the White House. But I have to say, as somebody who worked

01:22:00.080 as a journalist in D.C., I don't think he's the only candidate because it is not something that is

01:22:05.840 rare that you don't see around. You do actually, not to sound like Madison Cawthorn, remember him?

01:22:11.800 But there's a lot of cocaine and stuff around. But the thing about it is that, as Trump said,

01:22:18.820 there are a lot of cameras in the White House. And if there aren't a lot of cameras in the White

01:22:22.120 House, probably there should be, because they're like the ones that I have around my house are like

01:22:25.640 $25. They don't cost a lot. So maybe you should have cameras in the White House and probably figure

01:22:31.300 this out pretty quickly. Who's this? But who loses cocaine? Good Lord. I know. Who takes

01:22:36.000 cocaine into the White House to begin with? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. Maybe

01:22:40.980 I would. That's kind of a win, to be honest. A dude celebrating their Ws. But actually, as a

01:22:46.900 fifth column listener, who apparently, like Michael Moynihan, has some reportorial knowledge

01:22:54.000 of cocaine. It's only reportorial. Yeah. Yeah. The listener said, as a former coke head myself,

01:23:01.200 I got to say, everyone pointing the finger at Hunter is getting a thing wrong. A coke head's 1.00

01:23:06.300 going to know where all the coke is, and he's not going to leave any leftover. He's going to be a

01:23:11.520 human vacuum cleaner. So then how did it get there? I think he's saying an amateur of somebody who's

01:23:17.680 not a seasoned addict like Hunter. A dabbler. I see a dabbler. Okay. Okay. Well, we'll find out

01:23:23.000 what the Secret Service has to say on Thursday. But it certainly seems to me like this is going

01:23:26.780 the way of the Supreme Court leaker. You know, we investigated. It was just too tough a case to crack.

01:23:32.660 Pardon the pun. You know, further updates to follow. And then it just completely gets quiet.

01:23:38.120 Now, we're going to take a quick break. And when we come back, we're going to talk about this story

01:23:41.240 I've been wanting to get to now for days. And it may be the best story of the week. It has to do with

01:23:45.420 the New York mayor, Eric Adams. You may think you're not interested in the New York mayor,

01:23:49.280 but you will be interested in this bizarre story breaking just over the past couple days on him.

01:23:55.240 Stand by more with the fifth column, guys, after this quick break.

01:24:00.960 All right, guys, this is an incredible story. New York City, thank God, got rid of Mayor de Blasio.

01:24:07.280 He couldn't run again because of term limits. And they voted in Eric Adams. And people thought,

01:24:11.180 OK, you know, he's a former cop. Anything's better than de Blasio. Maybe he'll be pro cop.

01:24:16.900 Well, that's not exactly how it turned out to be. There's a soft on crime on crime prosecutor,

01:24:22.600 Alvin Bragg, soft on crime, unless your name is Donald Trump. And we had defunding of the police

01:24:28.720 and all sorts of the same issues in New York City as we've seen in many other big cities.

01:24:32.400 And unfortunately, they instituted a policy where they were no longer going to pursue the death penalty

01:24:37.180 or severe penalties for people who kill police officers. And shortly around that or after that

01:24:42.640 time, two cops got killed, Officer Wilbert Mora and Jason Rivera back in February of 2022.

01:24:48.640 And Wilbert Mora's sister made headlines when she spoke at his funeral, which was covered by us

01:24:54.020 and everybody else, saying how many more police officers have to die? They protect us, but who

01:24:59.140 protects them? Who watches for their lives? And it became a big thing, especially for Mayor Eric Adams.

01:25:04.040 Now, in the wake of this firestorm, Eric Adams started to tout his cop credentials and said that

01:25:15.780 he wanted that the loss of these officers reminded him of the 1987 line of duty death of one of his

01:25:21.980 friends, Officer Robert Venable at a news conference at City Hall. Shortly after this, Adam said,

01:25:28.860 I still think of Robert. I keep a picture of him in my wallet. A week later, Mayor Adams posed for a

01:25:34.640 photograph for a portrait in his office holding a wallet-sized photo of Officer Venable after the

01:25:41.520 New York Times had requested to see the photo. Mr. Adams brought up the photo, quoting here from

01:25:45.400 the New York Times, which broke the story. Mr. Adams brought up the photo in at least two television

01:25:49.420 interviews last April as well, saying, I understand the pain. I carry around a picture of Robert

01:25:55.420 Venable, my close friend, who was shot several years ago during my early days as a cop, and I

01:26:00.120 always have Robert's picture. The pain never dissipates. Dimes points out he's repeated the

01:26:05.820 moving antidote many times, including at the police academy where they were graduating last June and so on.

01:26:13.260 Great story, except it's not true. It appears to be a total lie. And unbelievably,

01:26:21.160 and to its credit, the New York Times broke that piece of this story, too. They tell us that the

01:26:28.960 weathered photo of Officer Venable had not actually spent decades in the mayor's wallet. It had been

01:26:36.740 created by employees in Mayor Adams' office in the days after Mr. Adams claimed to be carrying it in

01:26:45.140 his wallet. Listen to this. His employees were instructed to create a photo of Officer Venable

01:26:52.560 according to a person familiar with the request. Listen to this. A picture of Officer Venable was

01:27:00.540 found on Google. It was printed in black and white and made to look worn as if the mayor had been

01:27:08.100 carrying it for some time, including by splashing coffee on it, said the person who spoke on condition

01:27:13.480 of anonymity for fear of retribution. The person who directly ordered the altered photo to be

01:27:19.380 created, according to the person familiar with the matter, said she had no comment when called

01:27:25.440 by the Times and asked about all of this. Finally, the mayor's office, confronted by the Times for

01:27:32.400 comment, Fabian Levy, spokesperson for the mayor, insisted that Adams had carried a photo of the

01:27:40.380 officer for decades and provided the names of several former transit police colleagues who said

01:27:45.060 in an interview that Adams and Officer Venable had indeed been friends, which is a little different

01:27:51.840 than saying he'd had that photo on him in his wallet. And then the spokesperson criticized the Times

01:27:58.320 for what he characterized as a campaign to paint the mayor as a liar.

01:28:04.100 Mr. Levy ignored repeated requests to elaborate about the authenticity of the photo. He did not

01:28:11.280 respond to questions about whether the photo was made to look old, in part by staining it with coffee.

01:28:18.480 Guilty. He is guilty. He did it. It's obvious. It's disgusting. And, you know, kudos to the Times for

01:28:25.760 breaking it. But what does this tell us about Mayor Eric Adams, the new great hope for New York City?

01:28:32.820 It tells me that he should resign. I think there should be a one. Remember those three strikes and

01:28:41.220 you're out little things? I think for politicians, one strike like this and you should be out. One of

01:28:47.300 the few advantages that my home state of California has over other states or some other states is that

01:28:56.580 at least we have a recall mechanism. And sometimes we even use it. We can recall a politician who's

01:29:03.840 just a douchebag or does some very malfeasant thing. And that's totally a word. And this for me is that

01:29:10.300 this is such a piece of sociopathic behavior. It's exactly what Monaghan was talking about before,

01:29:16.480 the way that politics absolutely corrupts everything. Your basic human interaction and decency.

01:29:22.700 A guy who's going to lie about this will lie about literally anything. One of the problems I've had

01:29:27.940 with Donald Trump from the beginning is that he will lie for no reason at all about things that

01:29:32.720 don't matter. And that to me is a human failing. And I don't want that in a leader anywhere for him

01:29:38.040 to do this in the service of trying to portray himself as something that he is not, to try to

01:29:42.240 respond to a human tragedy that happened on or near his watch. It's so grotesque. There aren't

01:29:49.140 really any words for it. I think the broader thing that it points to, besides the personal

01:29:54.080 pathological nature of it, is that there have been some signs electorally of a backlash against the

01:30:01.500 way that big city democratic cities are run. Right. You had recall elections in San Francisco

01:30:06.280 of Chesa Boudin of three of the school board members there. You've had some reversals even in

01:30:12.220 Portland, Oregon of some of the excesses there. Eric Adams was kind of a backlash candidate.

01:30:16.860 Um, but none of this is really, none of those efforts have really coalesced into someone with

01:30:21.380 the program. It's not like there's some kind of Manhattan Institute, uh, adjacent to centristy

01:30:26.980 democratic politicians saying, okay, well, here's what you actually do for governance of these places

01:30:33.120 that have been mismanaged and that you campaigned on the excesses, which he totally did. Um, so there

01:30:38.440 is reason to be, uh, happy that he won and that he was a, uh, a kind of expression of this,

01:30:43.400 but going in, you could tell that he was an erratic person prone to personal corruption,

01:30:48.000 weird, um, like dodgy about where he lived and who he was dating, um, and didn't really have a

01:30:53.740 program for governance. So I wish this was more surprising, but it's not. This is disgusting.

01:30:58.740 I mean, really, it's disgusting to say this is true when it's not. And by the way, he was asked about it

01:31:03.360 yesterday and see if you can make sense of what the hell he is saying. What this, this soundbite shows

01:31:10.660 me is he's lying again. Listen, it's not 22 appearance that was trying to be created,

01:31:17.100 that we were not friends was really amazing. Robert was a friend. It was very painful when

01:31:23.380 I lost him. We asked whether the photo had been fabricated. Okay. All right. Can you have

01:31:28.240 another question? I put out, I put out a statement and I responded to that and giving credibility

01:31:35.660 to what was done in a very painful, was brought up to all of us of that painful moment of losing

01:31:43.040 Robert. Wow. He's a liar. Wow. He's a liar. It's not even a lie because he's not even, he's just

01:31:50.100 dodging. I mean, it's disgraceful. A truth teller says it's true. I had it. The New York Times report

01:31:56.140 is bullshit. No, that's what you say if you're telling the truth. Exactly. In this particular

01:32:02.980 instance, he didn't, he decided, didn't decide that this was an opportunity to, to challenge

01:32:07.800 someone and insist that they think they're talking to someone down on the plantation, down on the

01:32:12.480 plantation. Yes, exactly. Not respectful. Which happened this week too. So that dodge is gone.

01:32:17.780 Yeah. And if, and if people miss that, uh, Mayor Adams, uh, told a, a Holocaust survivor that she was

01:32:24.700 like a plantation owner, uh, with 80 year old, 80 plus year old woman who was talking about the rent

01:32:30.740 being too damn high, a frequent refrain in New York city. And he's like, you know, what are you

01:32:35.600 going to do about it? Well, the funny thing is that it was very imperial because he said, don't

01:32:39.680 wag your finger at me. I like, I'm in a position of authority. You don't do that to me. Who do you

01:32:45.240 think you are? Do we have time to play it? Let's, let's listen to it. It's crazy. Listen. Yeah. Yeah.

01:32:51.540 If you're going to ask a question, don't point at me and don't be disrespectful to me. I'm the

01:33:04.900 mayor of this city and treat me with the respect that I would deserve to be treated. I'm speaking

01:33:09.700 to you as an adult. Don't stand in front. Like you treated someone that's on a plantation 0.71

01:33:14.540 that you own. Give me the respect I deserve. Oh my Lord. Unbelievable. All those Holocaust 1.00

01:33:21.400 survivors that own plantation. And they applaud him and they applaud him too. Yeah. Be a man,

01:33:26.820 be a grownup. Let your constituents yell at you. It's part of the job. I demand respect. Oh,

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The Megyn Kelly Show - July 11, 2023

Grandpa Joe's Cruelty, Kamala's Nonsense, and the Cocaine at the White House, with The Fifth Column Hosts ｜ Ep. 585

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