The Megyn Kelly Show - Haley vs. DeSantis, and Trump's ＂Dictator＂ Comment Freakout, with Chris Stirewalt, Stu Burguiere, and Dave Marcus

00:00:00.540 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:11.800 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live from the University of Alabama.

00:00:17.140 We are here in the spin room. We're right next door on the debate stage in just a few hours.

00:00:22.780 Four GOP candidates for president will go head-to-head in the final GOP debate of 2023 and maybe of the entire presidential cycle.

00:00:33.100 We're showing you the spin room here. Right now it's empty because the media hasn't arrived in droves, but they'll be here shortly.

00:00:39.040 And when I come to you later on tonight, post the debate, because we'll be doing a live show right here, it's going to be jam-packed.

00:00:46.640 We're going to have to have the headphones on. It gets crazy and it's fun and it's a very unique event.

00:00:51.080 I hope you will share it with us. I'm, of course, going to be one of the co-moderators, as I've told you, along with NewsNation's Elizabeth Vargas

00:00:57.440 and one of our favorite EJs, Free Beacon editor Eliana Johnson. That's fun, right?

00:01:03.140 It's live at 8 p.m. Eastern, 7 p.m. Central. I have to remember this for my getting ready purposes.

00:01:09.040 7 p.m. Central, 7 p.m. But 8 p.m. Eastern on NewsNation.

00:01:13.380 Now, NewsNation is a startup cable channel that's trying to be sort of down the middle on its programming,

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00:01:37.160 You can also listen to the debate live on Sirius XM Triumph Channel 111, where we broadcast from every day live.

00:01:44.000 And it will be streaming on Rumble as well. So we've got you covered. Make sure you tune in. Check it out.

00:01:50.580 Believe me, it's going to be good. So excited for all of you to join us.

00:01:54.780 And I also want to tell you, again, a little bit more about our post-debate spin room special.

00:01:59.260 We're going to come right over here, right after the debate.

00:02:01.340 And this will be my very first reaction to what we just witnessed.

00:02:04.020 I'll tell you everything I thought, how I thought the candidates did, what went into those questions we were doing.

00:02:10.040 And we'll actually be interviewing some of the candidates right here live.

00:02:13.820 So that actually could be a little awkward.

00:02:16.380 Because we've got some tough questions for them, and we'll see.

00:02:19.580 We'll see who's willing to show up and talk about what just happened on the stage,

00:02:23.740 who's man or woman enough to do it, and who isn't.

00:02:26.300 Stand by.

00:02:26.860 We're also going to have analysis from the other EJ, Emily Jashinsky, Michael Moynihan, Tom Bevan, and all the rest of it.

00:02:34.200 You're not going to want to miss it.

00:02:35.260 But we want to start today with the news.

00:02:37.940 Joining me in just a few, we're going to have Stu Bergeer and Dave Marcus.

00:02:40.900 But we begin with my pal and Eliana's co-host of the Ink Stained Wretches podcast, Chris Steierwald.

00:02:48.820 He's with News Nation now, and he's with me on set.

00:02:53.420 Nice to see you, my friend.

00:02:54.620 Do you want me to do the effusive praise for you at the beginning, or are you going to make me save it?

00:03:00.280 When do you want me to make you uncomfortable?

00:03:01.340 No, effusive praise for me.

00:03:02.280 No, I don't want any.

00:03:03.040 It's going to happen.

00:03:03.700 It has to happen.

00:03:04.540 Because what people have to understand is, this is a different kind of journalism than any other.

00:03:10.740 It is unique, right?

00:03:12.380 And the things that I like to do in the news business, call elections, forecast elections, and do debates, are weird.

00:03:20.740 Because you're making news.

00:03:22.260 The news organization is actually making news.

00:03:24.080 So it takes an extraordinary amount of poise, preparation, professionalism, and diligence.

00:03:29.420 And America should know, no one is better at this than you.

00:03:32.440 The amount of time and effort that you put into it, and the way that you do it, and your incisive, legal mind, it's just a pleasure to work with you again.

00:03:41.420 I enjoy it enormously.

00:03:42.480 Thank you, Steyrwalt.

00:03:43.360 Right back at you.

00:03:44.300 I mean, it's been, people don't realize how much work, at least for us.

00:03:47.920 Because Steyrwalt, Bill Salmon, and I, along with Brett Baer and Chris Wallace, that was the debate team.

00:03:54.660 That was the dream team that did all those debates in 2012 and 2016.

00:04:00.000 The gang was together.

00:04:02.000 And, you know, in 2020, we didn't have Republican debates.

00:04:05.440 And so all those tough questions that, you know, made news in good ways and bad ways, that was all us.

00:04:10.040 Everybody's weighing in together.

00:04:11.020 And we've got the gang back together, not Chris and Brett, of course, because there are different networks, but Steyrwalt and Salmon and yours truly, along with Eliana and Elizabeth and some other teammates sitting in there.

00:04:22.620 And that's the magic that makes the questions go from good to great.

00:04:27.600 Like, okay to wow.

00:04:30.180 Well, the thing is, when you're interviewing somebody, it's a colloquy.

00:04:33.820 You're going back and forth.

00:04:34.920 You're nudging.

00:04:35.720 You're interrupting.

00:04:36.380 You're doing a little verbal pause.

00:04:37.660 You're letting them know, like, I'm coming in.

00:04:39.940 Like, these have to be self-contained.

00:04:42.180 They have to have the detonator in them so that when you hurl them up on stage, it goes off.

00:04:47.440 It goes boom.

00:04:48.600 And that means that you have to craft them, build them, make sure that they're airtight.

00:04:53.580 And then you have to make sure that they're journalistically creditable.

00:04:56.260 And you can't shortcut that.

00:04:58.220 And I have seen debates, and I'm not here to cast dispersion on any debate, on any network, any other place.

00:05:03.320 I've cast many aspersions.

00:05:03.580 But I will just say, you can't say, what about it?

00:05:07.860 Hey, what's going on with X, Y, Z?

00:05:09.700 And you can't just toss it out there because you know what you're going to get.

00:05:12.280 You're going to get the same fluff, the same boilerplate, the same crapola that you get in a campaign speech.

00:05:18.080 Your job is to push them beyond that into, out of their comfort zone and out of where their handlers want them to be.

00:05:23.440 Yeah.

00:05:23.880 People may not realize, I mean, it takes hours and hours to come up with one question.

00:05:30.160 And contrast that with this show.

00:05:32.080 For this show, I read all the news.

00:05:33.500 I read, read, read.

00:05:34.340 My team gives me a packet on whatever guest I have coming on, in addition to my own research.

00:05:39.360 And then I ask questions that I think are interesting live.

00:05:42.460 I don't have scripted questions.

00:05:43.880 I don't do that for this show.

00:05:45.140 It's a different thing.

00:05:46.620 But for a presidential debate, it's hours because you've got to research all the candidates' positions.

00:05:51.640 You've got to compare and contrast if you're doing it right.

00:05:53.580 You've got to figure out what's the way in.

00:05:55.200 What's going to make it more interesting?

00:05:56.340 Like, what could they actually debate?

00:05:58.000 Because that's what people want to see.

00:05:59.400 What have they already been asked about?

00:06:01.120 So you've got to go over all the transcripts of the earlier debates.

00:06:03.480 You're looking to move it all forward, right?

00:06:05.960 Like, make it more interesting.

00:06:06.960 Make them ideally debate and get them off of their talking point.

00:06:11.080 So there's so much that has to go into this question.

00:06:13.980 They all start off two paragraphs long.

00:06:16.040 And then over time, you just edit, edit, edit.

00:06:18.740 And ideally, you get it down to, like, three lines so that they can be the star when you're done.

00:06:23.120 But you can't just say, like, hey, write a question on this the morning of.

00:06:27.180 It goes through so much vetting and tightening and research.

00:06:29.440 And then right when you're on the one-yard line, a researcher says, oh, actually, I found something really interesting that this candidate said about this topic six months ago or a year.

00:06:37.480 And you're like, oh, OK, now we have to come back in, see what we can save, see what we have to throw away.

00:06:42.740 And it takes real emotional maturity because, as your husband would know, the editor's saying is you have to kill your darlings.

00:06:52.520 It's very hard to kill your darlings.

00:06:54.480 So you come up with a question.

00:06:55.700 You're like, oh, this is great.

00:06:56.720 I really love this.

00:06:57.620 And you have to be willing to say, nope, it's gone.

00:07:00.500 And we're going to move on and do the next thing.

00:07:02.300 Yeah, I know.

00:07:03.060 But our plan in an ideal world is to kill our darlings and to let the little darlings slide by the wayside as the candidates take over the show.

00:07:11.060 You know, that's what we consider a win.

00:07:13.200 You just never know.

00:07:14.160 I mean, we're setting them up perfectly to debate.

00:07:16.200 And we want them to debate.

00:07:17.240 We want them to be the stars, not us.

00:07:19.040 But, you know, what if they show up sleepy?

00:07:21.060 We're good.

00:07:21.440 We're prepared.

00:07:22.060 That's right.

00:07:22.740 If they do, we don't think that they will.

00:07:25.660 No.

00:07:26.400 Stakes are too high.

00:07:27.400 Let's talk about that.

00:07:28.060 What do you expect tonight?

00:07:29.420 Because this is it.

00:07:30.980 I mean, this probably, we don't know for sure, is going to be the last debate before the vote, before Iowa.

00:07:36.100 There could be another one.

00:07:37.500 It's definitely the last debate of 2023.

00:07:39.300 But there's not a fourth one, I mean, a fifth one scheduled.

00:07:41.800 Certainly, it seems like it will be the last sanctioned debate.

00:07:43.760 It will be the last official debate.

00:07:46.120 That's what every indication is.

00:07:47.360 Now, there will be rogue debates and weird debates and other stuff, right?

00:07:50.540 But in terms of the real deal, this is it.

00:07:53.460 So there's two groups of people on the stage out of these four.

00:07:56.640 You can pair them off.

00:07:58.980 You have Ramaswamy and Christy hanging on, right, in by the skin of their teeth, barely, barely in the debate.

00:08:07.320 And they have to be thinking about maybe this is the last time, right?

00:08:11.080 Maybe this is the last time.

00:08:12.260 This is their closing moment with voters.

00:08:14.160 Part of it is, is there something I can do to change this race and get back in it?

00:08:18.380 But another part is, what do I want my legacy to be?

00:08:20.920 What's my lasting thing here?

00:08:22.480 How will I be remembered in this run?

00:08:24.340 Well, that's Christy, right?

00:08:25.280 But, I mean, Vivek, it's not a legacy, but it is the last sort of word publicly in a big, big stage.

00:08:30.800 And what's the future?

00:08:32.660 They're thinking about their future.

00:08:34.100 And Chris Christie, very famously, in his last debate in the 2016 cycle,

00:08:38.880 garrotted Marco Rubio, leaving him for dead on the side of a New Hampshire highway.

00:08:44.640 It was very effective.

00:08:45.660 It was very effective.

00:08:46.660 And Rubio was right for it.

00:08:47.700 Rubio did it to himself.

00:08:48.900 He did.

00:08:49.540 It was a terrible moment for him.

00:08:51.160 Christie helped him to it.

00:08:52.580 So Christie is thinking, has to be thinking, okay, this is maybe or probably my last moment here.

00:08:57.660 How do I want to be remembered by my party?

00:08:59.740 How do I want to do this?

00:09:00.680 For Ramaswamy, I don't know what.

00:09:02.820 There are many Viveks.

00:09:05.060 I do not know which one we will get to see on the debate stage or what he's thinking about his future.

00:09:09.300 At the center of the stage, you have two people who are in the finals to be the opponent of Donald Trump.

00:09:16.060 And I think that we're here in Alabama.

00:09:18.060 We're on the campus of the University of Alabama.

00:09:20.300 The football analogies write themselves.

00:09:22.700 This is who gets to go to the championship.

00:09:24.660 These two are playing each other for the last spot to face Donald Trump because there can't be two.

00:09:30.800 If there are two, if there's two at 12%, that's not a problem for Donald Trump.

00:09:35.740 And he'll just blow past them if they can't sort themselves out.

00:09:39.420 The way I think about it is there's about a third of the Republican Party that's pretty interested in having an alternative to Donald Trump.

00:09:44.260 You can't face the final boss.

00:09:46.780 You can't play for the championship unless you can consolidate that.

00:09:50.340 They'll be thinking about that.

00:09:51.420 They'll be thinking about how hard they want to go against each other.

00:09:54.460 Because remember, every time you attack somebody in politics, you probably hurt them.

00:09:59.300 But you hurt yourself a little bit, too.

00:10:01.000 Right?

00:10:01.220 Do you still?

00:10:02.020 Oh, absolutely.

00:10:03.040 You drive up your own negatives when you attack the other person.

00:10:06.540 So each attack comes at a cost.

00:10:08.200 And especially for DeSantis, who's been stalled for so long, he needs to arrest Haley's advance.

00:10:13.660 But can he afford to alienate people who have her as a second choice or maybe are interested in her, especially in Iowa?

00:10:20.860 I'm very interested to see what he does because she's coming for him.

00:10:24.700 Oh, yeah.

00:10:25.020 She's right behind him in Iowa.

00:10:26.900 And he's got to get rid of her.

00:10:28.640 He's got to find a way of getting her off of his back.

00:10:30.600 If he doesn't win Iowa, his campaign's done.

00:10:32.540 That's what most experts will say.

00:10:34.420 He's at least a very solid second.

00:10:36.880 Yeah.

00:10:37.160 OK.

00:10:37.480 So, right.

00:10:38.340 I don't mean win-win.

00:10:39.280 Of course, it looks like Donald Trump is going to win-win all of these.

00:10:42.480 But if DeSantis doesn't come in first among the undercard, I think his campaign has pretty much said, like, this is it.

00:10:48.780 We're going to trust us.

00:10:50.940 So what does he do?

00:10:52.060 Because in the first three debates, Direwalt, he was not sleepy, but not aggressive.

00:10:57.620 Right.

00:10:57.880 And, like, she came out ready to punch, pugilistic, and started to go up in the polls.

00:11:03.840 It wasn't, like, dramatic, but she went up in the polls.

00:11:06.720 He kind of just has been going steady, Eddie.

00:11:09.640 And I've heard arguments both ways, that that's working for him and that it's not.

00:11:13.860 Like, he's holding.

00:11:15.260 He's not losing a ton.

00:11:17.160 But tonight he's got a lot on the line.

00:11:18.940 So does he come out and throw the punches the way we saw with COVID, Ron DeSantis?

00:11:22.680 You can imagine what Ron DeSantis' handlers have been telling him leading up to this debate, right?

00:11:29.480 And some of them are saying, you've got to go.

00:11:31.640 And we've heard from his campaign a lot of tough stuff about Nikki Haley.

00:11:34.540 He's alluded to some of that stuff.

00:11:36.760 Go attack Nikki Haley.

00:11:38.180 But also we see that the rictus smile, the seasick smile that Ron DeSantis, that he favors, where he just, he looks, it looks like somebody just stepped on his toes.

00:11:53.320 And so he's been trying to be likable and affable, and he's trying to steer away in there.

00:11:57.800 If I'm Haley, I want DeSantis on the attack, because Nikki Haley has thrived in her political career when dudes are attacking her in politics.

00:12:08.260 She's the they go low, we go high, the dignity, the Thatcherite dignity in the face of what many women would think of as sexist kind of attacks.

00:12:19.780 That's where Nikki Haley likes to be.

00:12:21.580 When Donald Trump called her bird brain and his campaign put a birdcage in front of her hotel room, she grabbed it.

00:12:26.840 She was like, yep, that's how, see how they do me?

00:12:29.280 That's what they're doing to me.

00:12:30.620 So if you're Nikki Haley, you're bracing for DeSantis to be on the attack.

00:12:34.720 How do I elevate above that?

00:12:36.060 How do I look dignified and stateswoman-like in the face of that?

00:12:39.380 And if you're DeSantis, you know that, right?

00:12:41.060 So you can't go too hard and figuring out where and how.

00:12:44.520 The thing I will most be looking for with DeSantis.

00:12:47.160 What kind of attacks does he make on Haley?

00:12:49.460 Does he make policy attacks or does he make personal attacks?

00:12:53.020 Does he question her character?

00:12:54.440 Does he question who she is as a person?

00:12:56.220 Or does he disagree with her on policy?

00:12:58.640 If he's going for her on personal attacks, this is going to be a real goat rodeo, not just in this debate for them, but over the next 50 days into Iowa.

00:13:08.220 And they'll basically wreck each other.

00:13:10.160 They could wreck each other going there.

00:13:11.740 If he takes the higher road and talks about her policies as governor and talks about policy disagreements that they've had on the trail,

00:13:18.340 then maybe Republicans who don't want Trump can keep hope alive that this will be resolved.

00:13:22.420 That sounds more like him.

00:13:23.360 I can't imagine him really going after her personally.

00:13:25.660 It just doesn't sound like DeSantis.

00:13:27.040 He launched an attack on her on Newsmax the other day saying she's not a conservative.

00:13:31.060 Maybe we'll hear more of that.

00:13:32.380 I don't think that's personal.

00:13:34.140 I just he hasn't really done the personal attack thing, even though he's been under withering personal attacks from Donald Trump.

00:13:40.360 Chris Christie, different story.

00:13:42.340 He's launching them and he's receiving them from Donald Trump.

00:13:46.340 So we'll get to him in one second.

00:13:48.200 Let me stick with the top two.

00:13:49.540 So, Haley, what does she do?

00:13:51.720 What she's been doing?

00:13:53.240 Just, you know, jab and move.

00:13:56.160 Stick and move.

00:13:57.060 Stick and move.

00:13:57.940 It's hard to be a contender because she got to where she is by defeating expectations.

00:14:06.960 Yeah.

00:14:07.220 She's a two percent.

00:14:08.360 She's whatever.

00:14:09.640 And then it's like, oh, I forgot about this gal.

00:14:11.580 She's spunky.

00:14:12.400 I like her.

00:14:13.080 Yeah.

00:14:13.260 Look at her.

00:14:13.760 She can stand.

00:14:14.460 So you make exactly.

00:14:15.500 So you make the forward progress on the basis of beating expectations.

00:14:19.260 Now, all of the big money donors have come in.

00:14:21.960 All of the Republican, what used to be the Republican establishment, is swinging in behind Nikki Haley, folks who used to back Ron DeSantis and thought DeSantis was the best bet.

00:14:30.040 So now she's freighted with all these expectations, not just from her supporters financially, but also from the electorate.

00:14:36.820 Like, OK, we know you can do it.

00:14:38.540 Now, what are you going to do?

00:14:39.680 What can you do now?

00:14:41.040 It's not enough that you have exceeded expectations.

00:14:43.700 Now you've got to live at this higher at this higher register.

00:14:46.760 And that's hard.

00:14:47.480 And the temptation for her will be to overswing, to go to do to try to have that old magic where she stuns them with the with the uppercut and does this stuff and is too spunky.

00:14:58.860 So she's got the the rocks that she has to steer between are being too stiff.

00:15:05.020 Right.

00:15:05.600 Losing that spunky rope a dope energy that she had before and going too hard.

00:15:11.280 So she's got to find that via media who shall be going after DeSantis.

00:15:15.140 Right.

00:15:15.340 He's going to be her main target.

00:15:16.260 Well, I think that the Ramaswamy Haley hash is not yet settled.

00:15:23.060 The that was why would she bother going after him, though, since he's so far behind her?

00:15:27.440 People don't like him and it works.

00:15:29.040 Right.

00:15:29.560 So if you if you attack Ron DeSantis, if you fight with Ron DeSantis, you're alienating DeSantis supporters who might come your way later.

00:15:36.520 You fight with Ramaswamy.

00:15:37.800 There are no Haley Ramaswamy undecided.

00:15:40.120 No, there are none.

00:15:41.440 There are none.

00:15:42.040 There are none of those people.

00:15:43.340 And depending on how Ramaswamy, how he comports himself and the energy that he brings, she might be she might want that other moment, that one more moment.

00:15:52.200 She called him scum last time.

00:15:53.820 Is he super scum now?

00:15:55.420 Like what what can she do there?

00:15:57.200 That's that's a safer place to fight than it is to fight with DeSantis.

00:16:01.580 OK. All right. So let's talk about Ramaswamy.

00:16:04.520 What is he? We don't know.

00:16:05.580 We don't know which version of Vivek.

00:16:07.600 You know, he said to NBC before the last debate or to ABC before the NBC debate, I'm going to go out there and be unhinged.

00:16:13.500 He promised unhingedness and then it did happen.

00:16:16.800 He delivered.

00:16:17.380 Yeah. So I haven't heard any promises exactly about this debate.

00:16:21.100 But if you were Vivek, what would your goal be for tonight?

00:16:24.260 Like what who would you be attacking if anyone?

00:16:27.180 Well, the the money figuratively and maybe literally is on attacking Haley.

00:16:32.980 Right. Because for the MAGA nation, if DeSantis can play the role against Haley that Christie played against Rubio in 2016, then he gets a hero.

00:16:43.160 He gets a brevet promotion to colonel on the MAGA battlefield.

00:16:46.620 If DeSantis can.

00:16:47.340 No, no, no. If if Ramaswamy, sorry, if Ramaswamy can really punish her, if he can get her off her message, if he can draw her into a fight and insult her and it she and she breaks down up there, not fully.

00:17:02.440 But if she has a bad outing because Ramaswamy is harassing her, Ramaswamy gets huge status in Trump land.

00:17:09.300 Right.

00:17:09.700 It's a big win for him.

00:17:10.460 And with that side of the Republican Party, that's a huge status thing.

00:17:14.980 So he's highly incentivized to do that.

00:17:17.680 But over on the other side of the stage, there's another dude who has some incentives.

00:17:22.120 Right. And he's way more aligned with Nikki Haley.

00:17:25.180 That's right.

00:17:25.740 I mean, those are always chummy behind the lecterns.

00:17:28.120 So there's a way to sort of think about this as you have the captains of the teams and then you have the understudies over there.

00:17:36.080 Right. To mix our metaphors that you have Christy, who is more aligned with Haley.

00:17:41.060 You have Ramaswamy, who's probably more aligned with DeSantis if you were going to be of any of those two front.

00:17:46.140 And he hasn't been attacking DeSantis.

00:17:47.520 And he hasn't been attacking DeSantis.

00:17:49.680 So will they run interference for the lead dogs?

00:17:53.240 What are how are they going to play that?

00:17:54.760 And what are the dynamics there?

00:17:56.740 The other thing that makes your job much more challenging and much more interesting.

00:18:01.180 They've now all had experience on the first debate.

00:18:04.140 None of them had ever done this.

00:18:06.120 Right. DeSantis had done a couple gubernatorial debates.

00:18:08.880 Haley, a couple.

00:18:10.080 But never at this level, never with this intensity.

00:18:12.680 So now they've got the rhythm.

00:18:14.320 Now they have their little things that they want to do and they have the gimmicks that they're going to try and the stuff that they want to do.

00:18:18.740 So in this building later today, there will be those final moments where their campaigns are like, now, remember, whatever you do, don't say this and make sure you do say that.

00:18:29.980 So they're going to be coming in armed.

00:18:32.060 They're going to be coming in loaded.

00:18:33.660 I would love to see a Chris Christie, Vivek Ramaswamy slugfest.

00:18:38.960 Because Vivek is very smart and he is pugilistic.

00:18:42.780 He's not afraid to throw a punch.

00:18:44.320 He's capable of doing it.

00:18:45.660 And same for Chris Christie.

00:18:48.740 I don't know.

00:18:49.620 That's the fight I'm kind of here for.

00:18:50.840 Like, I realize those two are probably not going to win the nomination, but you never know.

00:18:55.400 But that would be a great intellectual battle with just enough meanness, I think, to keep it like kind of you'd be on the edge of your seat.

00:19:03.160 And it's the real ideological fight that divides the Republican party.

00:19:06.380 You have a traditional conservative in Chris Christie and you have a sort of more MAGA nationalistic cat in Vivek Ramaswamy.

00:19:13.340 And those are two different visions, two contrasting visions.

00:19:16.500 And the other thing is, one of the reasons Christie was so hard on Rubio is that he thought that Rubio didn't deserve it, that he was too young, that he was too untested.

00:19:25.680 Chris Christie says, I'm a former federal prosecutor, two-term governor of a blue state.

00:19:30.140 I have been to the fair.

00:19:31.000 I have seen the elephant and you show up here with no experience or relatively little experience.

00:19:36.660 Who do you think you are?

00:19:37.920 So I think Christie's got a chip on his shoulder about Ramaswamy and we'll probably get to see.

00:19:42.800 Were you ready to knock it off?

00:19:44.260 You saw this.

00:19:45.180 They had this exchange.

00:19:46.600 I think it was the last debate where Vivek said he wanted walls all over.

00:19:50.000 He wanted a northern wall.

00:19:51.020 He wants a southern wall, all the walls.

00:19:52.560 And he said, you know, I think I'm the only candidate who's visited the northern border, Canada.

00:19:57.720 And then people kind of mocked him because it was like, haven't we all been to Canada?

00:20:00.800 Right.

00:20:01.100 Okay.

00:20:02.020 We're kind of going for Niagara Falls.

00:20:03.580 Yeah, exactly.

00:20:04.280 Whatever.

00:20:05.800 Then there was this car explosion, this car incident at the border with Canada.

00:20:11.240 And Vivek tweeted out very quickly, like, these idiots mocked me and I told you it happened.

00:20:18.240 And I will say, when I saw that, I thought, hold on, cowboy, because, you know, we've been in the news business long enough to know, like, don't react too quickly, especially on something like that.

00:20:29.240 You do not know.

00:20:30.340 And sure enough, it was not a terrorist attack.

00:20:32.760 Right.

00:20:33.200 And then Christie came in on Twitter like, you know, oh, because he, Vivek hit Christie.

00:20:37.960 Yes.

00:20:38.460 Like, you didn't see it.

00:20:40.120 You said.

00:20:40.540 Yeah, screw you.

00:20:41.960 And Christie came in with, you know why I waited?

00:20:44.140 Because I've been a leader and I understand.

00:20:46.420 Facts change.

00:20:47.400 Don't go with the initial narrative.

00:20:49.020 Like, that's Christie playing the, I've been at this a long time card.

00:20:52.940 You newbie, you know nothing.

00:20:55.200 That's what's scary for Vivek.

00:20:57.120 Like, if he gets ahead of his skis, you know, he's a young gun, he's exciting.

00:21:00.760 But, like, he hasn't had any government experience.

00:21:04.340 And so there's danger to him.

00:21:05.720 There is some danger in, like, getting too aggressive.

00:21:07.800 As Chris Christopherson wrote, freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.

00:21:12.980 And if you're Chris Christie, you got a lot of freedom, right?

00:21:15.180 You know that you're not going to be the Republican nominee.

00:21:17.840 You came with a mission to take on Donald Trump.

00:21:20.380 Donald Trump won't get on the stage with him.

00:21:22.160 But his proxy, Vivek Ramaswamy, will.

00:21:25.100 And Chris Christie's not worried about, he knows his unfavorables are high.

00:21:28.220 So he's not worried about the backlash part about going after Ramaswamy.

00:21:32.100 So he's got, might as well let it rip.

00:21:34.700 And same for Vivek.

00:21:35.840 You know, he's already taken the hit on unfavorables that he was going to take from having fights with Nikki, etc.

00:21:40.660 So he kind of has nothing left to lose.

00:21:42.840 Like, go for it.

00:21:43.500 If this project for him has turned into name promotion, brand promotion, a spot in the Trump cabinet, potentially, whatever it is,

00:21:50.480 then might as well go for it.

00:21:51.840 Come out swinging.

00:21:52.440 So I'll get a hose and I'll go stand over on stage right.

00:21:54.700 You signal me if I need to come out and spray them down like a couple of dogs fighting in the yard.

00:21:59.020 Bring the fire.

00:22:00.200 You bring the kindling.

00:22:01.880 Okay, bring the flint.

00:22:03.600 I actually have the flint.

00:22:04.860 I'll get started with the flint.

00:22:05.800 You got it.

00:22:06.480 Okay, let's talk about what's happening on the wider scale.

00:22:09.300 I will say this.

00:22:10.240 It's interesting how many donors are flocking to Nikki Haley right now.

00:22:13.020 Yep.

00:22:13.420 Including this big Democrat who was the guy, I only knew this guy as the guy who was behind the E. Gene Carroll lawsuit against Trump.

00:22:21.200 Oh yeah, that's right.

00:22:22.060 He funded that.

00:22:23.380 Yes.

00:22:23.640 He's a big Dem donor and he's made tons of donations to Joe Biden and so on.

00:22:29.100 So he just gave Nikki Haley, what was it, $250,000 Reid Hoffman, $250,000 to her super PAC, Reid Hoffman.

00:22:37.460 Now, will anybody mention it?

00:22:40.100 I mean, I get her saying, you want to donate money to me?

00:22:43.460 Great.

00:22:44.080 Yeah.

00:22:44.360 Like, I want to win and I'll take anybody's dough.

00:22:46.700 I don't think any of them would have refused money.

00:22:49.360 I don't know.

00:22:49.440 And it's her super PAC, so she can't really refuse it.

00:22:51.880 So it's a part of the shell game that we play with campaign finance laws in this country.

00:22:57.260 But Trump is already saying, while globalists, special interest donors from both parties forge an unholy alliance to beat us, I'm calling on our grassroots donors like you to fight back in a fundraising email.

00:23:08.820 Click here to send $5.

00:23:09.940 I think the concerted media freakout that we have seen around the death of democracy in the second Trump term is concerted.

00:23:22.500 I'm not saying it's a conspiracy, but it's concerted because Biden is struggling so much and they're very alarmed.

00:23:29.220 And that's why you see that Atlantic magazine cover.

00:23:31.540 That's why you see all of this stuff.

00:23:34.460 But it's not insincere, right?

00:23:36.620 It's not a contrivance.

00:23:37.900 No, they're genuinely scared.

00:23:39.180 They're terrified of Donald Trump.

00:23:40.940 And if you were rich, if I was rich, I wouldn't give any money to any, I want to make it clear, I wouldn't give any money to a politician ever.

00:23:48.420 That's because we're in the I want to puke party.

00:23:50.260 That's right.

00:23:50.760 Exactly.

00:23:51.580 But if you're a rich dude or dudette and you have a lot of money, what's a quarter million dollars?

00:23:57.200 And if you make life a little harder for Donald Trump and you throw it in there and maybe you can slow him down and maybe all Nikki Haley is is a speed bump on Trump's drive.

00:24:04.960 But if you can make it a little harder for Trump, then they're going to make it a little harder for Trump.

00:24:09.140 If I am Ramaswamy, I am going to parrot Trump's attack.

00:24:13.120 I'm going to come right at her.

00:24:14.740 She's a globalist.

00:24:15.700 She took money from the Democrats.

00:24:17.120 She played the Democrats funded by billionaires and Democrats and Democratic billionaires and the global elites and all that stuff.

00:24:24.460 So the good news for Haley is this will not come as a surprise.

00:24:29.080 That was a good news, bad news moment for her when the Koch network said, we're all in on Nikki Haley.

00:24:35.080 We're endorsing Nikki Haley.

00:24:35.920 They've got more money than God.

00:24:37.080 Good news is they've got this amazing ground game.

00:24:39.060 They can go knock on a million doors.

00:24:40.580 They can run ads.

00:24:41.480 They can do all that stuff.

00:24:42.320 But then everywhere you go, people are going to say, dark money, the Koch brothers, how dare you?

00:24:47.900 So the tradeoffs are there.

00:24:49.340 In Haley's case, it's worth it because she doesn't have the infrastructure because she was running a shoestring campaign.

00:24:55.700 That's the thing.

00:24:56.260 I didn't realize she dropped her first ad last week.

00:24:58.680 It was pretty benign.

00:24:59.640 Yeah.

00:25:00.140 That was her first ad.

00:25:01.360 Yeah.

00:25:01.840 Her first ad of the whole campaign.

00:25:03.260 Yeah.

00:25:04.000 And I mean, she's doing very well for somebody who hasn't launched any ads.

00:25:06.780 And the lesson here for Ron DeSantis, it's the Jeb Bush lesson.

00:25:12.800 It's the Scott Walker lesson.

00:25:14.500 It's the Rick Perry lesson.

00:25:16.140 Big money doesn't help, right?

00:25:18.100 Big money, when you get to a certain point, my line is always in politics, there's two kinds of money, enough or not enough.

00:25:25.020 And too much, right?

00:25:26.620 When you have all this money, you get lazy.

00:25:28.380 You get indulgent.

00:25:29.460 You engage in infighting.

00:25:30.780 You engage in strategic misadventure because you're thinking about all the wrong stuff.

00:25:35.480 If Ron DeSantis is going to build a 50-state campaign, it cost him $100 million to lose 11 points in the national polls, which is a lot.

00:25:43.560 That's too much.

00:25:45.040 And to your point, like he got hit in the press for riding on private jets everywhere.

00:25:48.900 Then they say she flies commercial.

00:25:51.080 Those little things, I don't know they matter to voters, but that is a good way to blow through money really fast by not cutting corners and sort of being fiscally.

00:25:58.720 Indulge me in this, which is to say, being the other guy and having to scramble and scrape to work your way in makes you better at what you do.

00:26:09.180 I remember that feeling at Fox a long time ago.

00:26:12.080 I feel that feeling on News Nation where it's like, okay, we can do this.

00:26:16.340 We don't have the resources.

00:26:17.880 We don't have the legacy status of these other places, but we can do it and we can build it.

00:26:22.860 It builds camaraderie.

00:26:24.020 It builds team.

00:26:24.680 It makes people work harder and try harder, and Haley has benefited from that, whereas DeSantis was bloated and it was too much and too much legacy, and he didn't get tough and fight.

00:26:35.260 So tonight, maybe he gets tough and fights.

00:26:37.220 Okay.

00:26:37.720 If one of these guys or gals manages to pull this out somehow, you know, has a great debate, gets momentum, something happens to change the race between now and Iowa, and maybe wins,

00:26:49.260 maybe comes in as strong enough second to Trump that people are looking at them anew, it is possible that they run it, somehow they win it, and Joe Biden drops out.

00:27:01.940 Yeah.

00:27:02.240 Because he made news yesterday by saying at a private fundraiser that he doesn't think he'd be running if Donald Trump were not likely to be the nominee.

00:27:15.260 And then he attempted to clarify it last night, and it was not a clarification.

00:27:21.940 He kind of just doubled down.

00:27:23.180 Here's what he said in Sot 1.

00:27:24.200 Would you be running for president if Trump wasn't running?

00:27:29.240 I expect so, but look, he is running, and I have to run.

00:27:34.320 Would you drop out if Trump's running now?

00:27:36.500 No, not now.

00:27:39.840 So what does that mean?

00:27:41.560 Not now.

00:27:42.260 Not now.

00:27:43.060 We already bought all the signs.

00:27:44.400 Right.

00:27:44.800 Like, no, I won't drop out now, and also I expect so.

00:27:48.880 That's not like a full, of course, I'm president, I'm going to stay president.

00:27:52.220 It's a weird argument to have to make to your party, which is basically to say, I'm sorry I'm running.

00:27:57.220 I'm sorry I have to run.

00:27:58.460 I know I shouldn't have run.

00:28:00.100 And by the way, there's a weird thing that happened.

00:28:03.940 In 2022, Democrats were getting ready for a shellacking.

00:28:07.020 They were getting ready for just the typical midterm beatdown.

00:28:10.900 But Donald Trump and a bunch of weirdo candidates on the Republican side changed the race, changed the nature of the race from being a referendum on the party in power into a choice election.

00:28:20.260 Oh, do we want the MAGA Republicans?

00:28:22.380 Do we want the Biden Democrats, the inflation?

00:28:24.600 And it messed things up for Republicans.

00:28:27.160 That was good news for Joe Biden, but maybe long-term bad news for the Democratic Party.

00:28:31.880 Because if the Democrats had taken the beating that they were expected to take in 2022, Biden and the pressure on Biden to say, OK, I'm going to step aside and let somebody else come in here.

00:28:43.760 But then he said, well, you know, maybe it's working.

00:28:46.040 Maybe we can just do this.

00:28:47.000 I still got some magic kernels in my pocket.

00:28:48.660 And Trump is enough of a threat to unite Democrats around him and to go back to all of, you know, the Atlantic articles and all of that other stuff.

00:28:56.880 The the the raison d'etre, the whole point of Joe Biden's political life of his presidency is that he is not Donald Trump.

00:29:05.120 And they hope that will be sufficient this time.

00:29:07.120 That's not an exciting message for Democrats.

00:29:08.780 But I tell you, they're going to be so terrified by by the time we get to August of next year, if it's Donald Trump on the Republican side, the Democrats will be so terrified of Donald Trump, who says things like I'll only be a dictator for one day.

00:29:21.680 Yeah.

00:29:22.080 He said that to Hannity last night.

00:29:23.400 They'll be so first day, the first day, just with those just first day that he will so terrified Democrats that they probably will unite.

00:29:31.060 OK, the other thing is on that Trump town hall that Hannity had last night, Trump was asked about Biden and whether he thinks he's going to make it.

00:29:39.920 Here's what he said.

00:29:40.580 It's not three.

00:29:40.900 I personally don't think he makes it.

00:29:44.960 OK, I haven't said that.

00:29:46.260 I'm saving it for this big town hall.

00:29:48.400 I think he's in bad shape physically.

00:29:50.160 Do you remember when he said, I'd like to take him behind the barn?

00:29:53.240 If he took me behind the barn and I went like this, I believe he'd fall over.

00:30:00.180 I believe he'd fall over.

00:30:01.700 I personally don't think he makes it physically.

00:30:04.280 I watched him at the beach.

00:30:05.640 He wasn't able to lift a beach chair, which is meant for children to lift.

00:30:08.740 You can lift him like that.

00:30:09.760 And mentally, I would say he's possibly equally as bad and maybe worse.

00:30:15.760 But I don't know.

00:30:16.900 I will say this.

00:30:17.760 He's got vicious people surrounding him around that beautiful Oval Office.

00:30:22.060 There are people in that Oval Office that are evil people, bad people, smart people, young, vicious.

00:30:29.740 They're communists and they're bad.

00:30:33.060 This is why we're really going to miss him tonight, I have to say.

00:30:37.660 He does add something.

00:30:39.040 He brings eternal.

00:30:40.080 He's just entertaining, you know, like you watch him.

00:30:42.940 You're like, OK, this one's got this policy.

00:30:45.040 And there was a lot of drama.

00:30:46.520 And then, you know, and then you see him, you're like, OK, I want four more years of that show.

00:30:50.640 It's entertaining.

00:30:51.700 It makes me laugh.

00:30:52.780 And then the Democrats, the Atlantic, and then, you know, they'll remind you of everything about Trump and kind of wash that away.

00:30:59.900 That's what we're going to be in for if none of these four manages to pull it out.

00:31:03.000 But he raises some good points about Biden's feebleness.

00:31:07.280 And he paints the word picture, right?

00:31:09.480 He talks about trying to lift the chair.

00:31:11.240 He can't lift the chair.

00:31:12.320 I could blow him.

00:31:13.080 I could blow him over like this.

00:31:14.740 And Joe Biden's problem.

00:31:16.300 Joe Biden has many problems.

00:31:17.820 He has many, many problems.

00:31:18.860 But they are all amplified by how feeble he appears.

00:31:22.400 Yeah.

00:31:22.800 Right.

00:31:23.000 Did you see that thing in the Kennedy Center Honors yesterday?

00:31:24.840 Yes.

00:31:25.340 Yes.

00:31:25.540 Diane Warwick.

00:31:26.680 Yes.

00:31:27.240 Billy Gibbs.

00:31:28.720 Yes.

00:31:29.440 Yeah.

00:31:30.240 Who that's 81 doesn't know it's Dionne Warwick?

00:31:32.720 Seriously.

00:31:33.160 Yeah.

00:31:33.640 I know the way to San Jose.

00:31:35.780 Yes, exactly.

00:31:37.180 So Biden's feebleness and the fact that he just seems so old amplifies all of the perceived problems on every policy point in every part.

00:31:46.500 And Democrats have said for a long time, oh, we need to make him into like Harrison Ford's 81.

00:31:51.620 And it's like, no, he is not a Harrison Ford 81.

00:31:55.000 And by the way, Harrison Ford just has to do four interviews a year with Conan O'Brien or whatever.

00:32:00.520 And then and then he can go away and hang out with Calista Flockhart being the president of the United States.

00:32:04.800 You saw Biden there talking to the doing chopper talk, talking to reporters who are waiting for him to go by.

00:32:11.780 The squint, the eyes, the heart.

00:32:13.680 It's his heart.

00:32:15.300 I'm sure Joe Biden loves being president in a lot of ways.

00:32:18.600 But he has to look at what's coming in the next 11 months and think, how?

00:32:24.200 How am I going to do this?

00:32:25.020 You know what?

00:32:25.580 I used to love the little mini skirts that were jean with lace at the bottom of them.

00:32:29.880 But then I left college, got older and realized I could no longer do that.

00:32:34.200 Everyone has their aha moment.

00:32:35.760 Uh-huh.

00:32:36.380 Just saying.

00:32:37.300 He's going to have to come to his.

00:32:38.640 I'm still wearing them.

00:32:39.380 I think they look good on me.

00:32:40.580 There's a modesty panel here you can't see, but I think it works for me.

00:32:43.640 You know what I have to?

00:32:44.100 I told the audience yesterday I was freezing my buns off here.

00:32:46.740 So Abby, my dear Abby, you got me this warm blanket.

00:32:49.460 And you know what?

00:32:50.220 It's heated.

00:32:51.080 Oh, my God.

00:32:51.860 You're my blankie.

00:32:53.060 Oh, my God.

00:32:53.960 Are you going to have this?

00:32:55.200 I might.

00:32:55.760 I actually might have this on me in the debate hall.

00:32:57.420 This is the secret weapon, America.

00:32:58.940 You have now seen the secret weapon, which is a heated blankie.

00:33:01.520 I'm not too proud.

00:33:02.740 Great to see you, my friend.

00:33:03.960 Good luck tonight.

00:33:04.560 Thank you for everything.

00:33:05.600 You are invaluable in every way.

00:33:07.440 All right.

00:33:07.720 We're going to be right back with Dave and Stu.

00:33:09.220 Don't go away.

00:33:14.880 Welcome back to The Megyn Kelly Show, coming to you live from the University of Alabama,

00:33:18.820 where the countdown is officially on to the big Republican debate tonight,

00:33:24.660 co-moderated by yours truly.

00:33:27.140 I have to tell you, I'm so relieved this thing is finally going to be over.

00:33:31.320 It just takes so much work.

00:33:32.940 And as you guys know, this show is my main responsibility, and I also made three humans

00:33:37.720 who need me.

00:33:39.400 Doug is actually on his way down here right now with my three.

00:33:42.820 So that's exciting.

00:33:43.720 I'm thrilled to see my fam.

00:33:45.240 I've been down here since Sunday night.

00:33:47.860 So looking forward to seeing all of them.

00:33:49.500 It's good to share, you know, wherever you work.

00:33:52.240 It's good sometimes when you can just share it with your kids.

00:33:54.260 Give them a little bird's eye view into what mom or dad does for a living.

00:33:58.360 Today, right now, we are bringing you two of our faves to discuss all things political

00:34:02.900 and beyond and have some fun.

00:34:04.820 Joining me now, Dave Marcus, columnist for the Daily Mail and other outlets, and Stu Bergeer,

00:34:09.700 host of the Blaze TV's Stu Does America.

00:34:13.340 Dave, Stu, welcome back.

00:34:14.740 How are you doing?

00:34:16.240 Doing well, thanks.

00:34:17.500 Doing well.

00:34:17.940 Thanks for having us.

00:34:19.140 Awesome.

00:34:19.480 So are you, so like you guys are here.

00:34:21.840 We're talking about debate among other politics, but are you going to watch this?

00:34:26.360 Like, would you be watching this normally?

00:34:29.320 Yeah, of course.

00:34:29.960 In fact, Megan, if you want to like warm up or like swing two bats in the on deck circle,

00:34:34.640 Stu and I could like be obnoxious and interrupt each other, like yell at you.

00:34:38.640 Just let us know.

00:34:39.800 Like anything that's helpful.

00:34:41.520 Cut his mic.

00:34:43.420 Cut his mic.

00:34:44.360 That's it.

00:34:46.740 I think we're going to be okay on that.

00:34:48.460 I actually think because our goal is to have them fight, you know, fight.

00:34:52.900 I'm using that term in quotes.

00:34:54.380 Debate.

00:34:55.200 So unlike that NBC debate, you're not going to see us being like,

00:34:59.360 they're arguing.

00:35:01.880 Move on.

00:35:02.360 Everyone shut up and get back to me.

00:35:05.020 You know, if it's something lame, I will say the one sort of qualifier on that is,

00:35:09.200 if it's something lame and it's ground that we've covered already,

00:35:11.340 we will wrap it because it's like there's only so much time.

00:35:14.760 But if it's something new and it's like a spicy moment,

00:35:18.000 hell no, we will not be cutting that off.

00:35:19.960 We will be letting that breathe, which makes for good TV.

00:35:23.280 You know, it's like that was NBC's biggest sin.

00:35:25.820 It was like they didn't understand how to make good TV still.

00:35:28.840 And the rest of us at home, we're feeling it.

00:35:31.760 Yeah, exactly.

00:35:32.820 We need to have a little bit of fire.

00:35:34.160 We need some fireworks in this thing.

00:35:35.720 You know, I mean, you know,

00:35:36.740 Donald Trump's not going to be there where there's always fireworks when he's present.

00:35:40.740 So why not have these guys mix it up a little bit?

00:35:42.840 You know, there's a weird alternative universe, like an alternative timeline,

00:35:47.160 alternative 1985 on Doc Brown's chalkboard,

00:35:49.860 where this is a really normal looking election, right?

00:35:52.680 Like where there are four or five candidates that are somewhat competitive in these states.

00:35:57.040 And we don't know how this is going to turn out.

00:35:58.580 And the top two are pretty close.

00:36:00.120 If you take kind of the Donald Trump element out of this,

00:36:02.520 this is sort of a normal-ish looking primary.

00:36:05.260 But it is absolutely, in reality, the total opposite of that,

00:36:09.180 where you have the top candidate not there.

00:36:11.800 And you have these personalities kind of coming in and out.

00:36:14.880 And it's been a weird journey.

00:36:17.440 But I'm really looking forward to you doing this tonight.

00:36:20.820 I think it's going to be fascinating.

00:36:22.440 Do you get nervous for this stuff, Megan,

00:36:23.780 or is this just old hat for you at this point?

00:36:25.900 I don't really get nervous anymore.

00:36:28.040 I get excited.

00:36:29.140 You know, I'm psyched.

00:36:30.100 I'm looking forward to it.

00:36:30.940 I mean, when we get closer to 7 p.m. Central, 8 p.m. Eastern,

00:36:34.300 I'll get the feeling of, like, you know, I always call it,

00:36:37.860 it's like you put on a superhero cape.

00:36:39.780 You know, that's how I used to feel when I was going out there

00:36:41.660 on the big nights on Fox,

00:36:43.100 where just, like, your senses get a little sharper.

00:36:45.420 You know, it's like fight or flight almost, you know,

00:36:47.160 where you feel like, okay, I could lift a truck.

00:36:50.360 You know, that happens.

00:36:52.640 And I hope that happens tonight.

00:36:54.560 I hope I don't crumble.

00:36:55.760 And this will actually be kind of cool,

00:36:57.040 because I love Eliana.

00:36:58.480 You know, she comes on the show like you guys do regularly.

00:37:00.780 She's never been a news anchor.

00:37:02.640 She's usually doing punditry.

00:37:04.300 So this is a huge night for her.

00:37:06.460 And I absolutely adore this woman.

00:37:08.320 So I'm looking forward to her having her shining moments.

00:37:10.780 And I know she's going to crush it.

00:37:12.620 And Elizabeth, I've never worked with before,

00:37:14.200 but she's a seasoned pro, so I'm sure she'll be great.

00:37:17.400 So anyway, there's a lot of reasons to look for what's going on.

00:37:19.740 I don't know if we've ever had an all-female panel, actually,

00:37:21.580 now that I think about it.

00:37:22.900 Not that that's what this is about,

00:37:24.040 but it's going to be a lot of estrogen.

00:37:25.520 More estrogen than average on the debate stage,

00:37:28.340 given Nikki Haley's one of the candidates.

00:37:30.560 Let's see how that affects things.

00:37:32.000 Okay, let's talk about Donald Trump,

00:37:35.400 because he goes on Sean Hannity last night,

00:37:36.880 and he said something that's already making a lot of news.

00:37:39.780 It's classic Trump.

00:37:41.180 There's already some meltdowns.

00:37:42.980 You guys tell me what you think he meant by this.

00:37:46.620 Sot 5.

00:37:47.000 We almost have to go to a break.

00:37:49.900 I want to go back to this one issue, though,

00:37:52.440 because the media has been focused on this

00:37:54.780 and attacking you under no circumstances.

00:37:58.120 You are promising America tonight.

00:38:00.220 You would never abuse power as retribution against anybody.

00:38:04.940 Except for day one.

00:38:06.840 Except for?

00:38:07.460 He's going crazy.

00:38:08.260 Except for day one.

00:38:09.180 Meaning?

00:38:09.840 I want to close the border,

00:38:11.660 and I want to drill, drill, drill.

00:38:13.980 That's not retribution.

00:38:15.680 We love this guy.

00:38:16.860 He says, you're not going to be a dictator, are you?

00:38:18.720 I said, no, no, no, other than day one.

00:38:21.300 We're closing the border,

00:38:22.540 and we're drilling, drilling, drilling.

00:38:24.420 After that, I'm not a dictator.

00:38:29.140 So, you know exactly how the left is reacting to this.

00:38:34.180 I feel like most Republicans are probably like, cool.

00:38:37.360 But you tell me, is that a scandal or not, Dave?

00:38:40.560 I mean, come on.

00:38:41.480 He's clearly joking around.

00:38:43.320 I mean, he's going to be a one-day dictator, right?

00:38:45.080 I mean, I feel like the country would survive that anyway.

00:38:47.480 But listen, there's an appetite for retribution right now.

00:38:51.520 If retribution means that the FBI has to stop spying on Catholics,

00:38:57.600 then, yeah, we need retribution.

00:39:00.100 If retribution means that the Department of Justice, you know,

00:39:04.380 stops having these ridiculous double standards

00:39:06.400 where Republicans are prosecuted and Democrats aren't,

00:39:09.440 then, yeah, we need retribution.

00:39:10.900 You know, if we have these double standards

00:39:13.400 where George Santos gets kicked out of Congress

00:39:15.380 and Bob Menendez, with stolen bars of gold,

00:39:18.760 still has, you know, intelligence clearance

00:39:20.880 after allegedly, you know, selling secrets to Egypt,

00:39:24.400 yeah, we need some retribution.

00:39:26.160 And I think that's clearly what Donald Trump meant.

00:39:29.340 And I don't think any Republican's going to have a problem with that.

00:39:32.340 Well said.

00:39:33.160 I like the examples you ticked off.

00:39:34.740 It is crazy that Santos, who, I mean, he was a joke, let's face it,

00:39:39.680 we all know that, that he's gone.

00:39:41.700 But Bob Menendez, who's alleged by federal prosecutors to be corrupt

00:39:45.940 and on the take to a foreign country,

00:39:48.540 still has access to our secrets still.

00:39:51.040 So, yeah, I take Dave's point.

00:39:53.680 But on the Trump thing,

00:39:55.320 what Trump was actually describing are not dictatorial moves.

00:39:59.400 Like, that's what Hannity was trying to say.

00:40:01.080 And they're not, that's not retribution to shore up the border and drill, drill, drill.

00:40:06.440 Right. It's a fascinating thing to watch.

00:40:08.180 I mean, I would, to be clear,

00:40:09.400 would like my presidents to be zero-day dictators.

00:40:12.160 But that's not at all what he was saying, right?

00:40:15.440 Like, when you, it's funny, Donald Trump,

00:40:17.380 and maybe this is part of his superpower among Republican primary voters,

00:40:21.180 but he actually has, he does the opposite of every other politician.

00:40:25.380 Most politicians, if you have a somewhat controversial policy,

00:40:28.180 will craft ways to talk about it that make them as positive as possible.

00:40:34.540 You'll try to make it sound better than it is to people who might be opposed to it.

00:40:39.280 Donald Trump actually does the opposite.

00:40:41.380 Like, Hannity, he didn't even ask him if he was going to be,

00:40:44.340 he didn't even ask him if he was going to be a dictator.

00:40:46.380 He said, are you going to get retribution?

00:40:48.480 And he brought it from retribution to dictator.

00:40:51.000 Trump made it into a dictator thing.

00:40:53.360 Trump was like, I want to come up with a worse way of saying this,

00:40:55.920 so it pisses off the maximum amount of people.

00:40:58.460 And it works for him, particularly in the primaries,

00:41:01.520 because people just are so sick of everything.

00:41:04.880 They're sick of the way they're treated.

00:41:05.940 They're sick of the way the media treats them and the way they think.

00:41:08.780 They're sick of the way the country has abused them over these years.

00:41:11.780 So when they hear the dictator thing, they're like, finally,

00:41:13.900 someone's just coming out and being like, screw this, I'm going to do it.

00:41:16.560 None of them want him to be a dictator.

00:41:18.440 No Republican primary voters is like, actually, what I really want is a king

00:41:22.320 or a Saddam Hussein lookalike who's going to take retribution on his enemies.

00:41:27.040 But Trump is able to communicate that vibe.

00:41:31.360 It really is that don't take him seriously, don't take him literally thing.

00:41:36.960 He's not going to be a dictator.

00:41:38.400 What he's saying is, I'm going to be tough on the things you care about.

00:41:41.160 And that's how people receive it in a Republican primary.

00:41:44.000 Well, what's interesting is, if Trump continues this scary talk,

00:41:48.700 he might just be rolling out the red carpet for yet another challenger to enter this race, Dave.

00:41:54.220 And that challenger could be, wait for it, Liz Cheney.

00:41:58.820 And I mean, that's going to scare Donald Trump.

00:42:01.520 I feel it.

00:42:02.520 Don't you feel it?

00:42:04.520 It's insane.

00:42:06.040 But it's also the most Liz Cheney thing in the world.

00:42:08.640 Liz Cheney is completely convinced that she is the font of moral certitude of the conservative movement.

00:42:17.020 She is the oracle of profound morality that we're all supposed to just follow to the mountaintop,

00:42:25.180 except nobody likes her.

00:42:26.500 Nobody votes for her.

00:42:27.820 I mean, she got blown out in her own district.

00:42:31.120 I don't understand.

00:42:32.620 I mean, it really makes no sense for her to run.

00:42:35.940 The only thing that she could possibly do is, like, get, I don't know, Bill Kristol's vote?

00:42:40.780 I mean, who's voting for Liz Cheney?

00:42:43.660 Steve Schmidt.

00:42:44.580 I don't know.

00:42:45.420 The Lincoln Project guys seem to like her.

00:42:47.780 So she's, just to bring the audience up to speed, she's threatening a third-party run.

00:42:51.900 She's, I shouldn't say threatening, she's weighing it.

00:42:54.360 She's weighing it per the Washington Post, weighing whether to mount her own third-party candidacy,

00:42:58.380 vows to do whatever it takes to stop Trump.

00:43:00.840 She'll make the final decision in a couple of months.

00:43:02.940 And, let's see, in order to make the presidential debates next fall, because remember, we have

00:43:09.220 had independents, or, you know, third parties, Ross Perot was one back in 92, make the big

00:43:15.180 debate stage where it's down to the last couple of candidates.

00:43:18.640 And in order to get there, she'd have to have at least 15 support, 15 percent support in

00:43:22.800 national polls, some other criteria as well.

00:43:25.120 I mean, RFKJ could actually do that.

00:43:26.840 Liz Cheney, you tell me, not a chance in hell, if you ask me.

00:43:29.960 I don't know that she can get 15 supporters, let alone 50 percent in the polls.

00:43:37.220 No, seriously, Stu, who would her constituency be?

00:43:40.740 Who, I mean, I realize there's like a hardcore, never-Trumper group, but they're probably going

00:43:44.500 to vote Democrat.

00:43:46.440 You'd think so.

00:43:47.300 I mean, if I may take a moment and do some election night coverage, I am now calling all

00:43:50.800 states against Liz Cheney.

00:43:52.800 She's won none of them.

00:43:54.200 And we can predict this in advance.

00:43:56.400 You know, look, there's not much of a constituency for her.

00:43:58.620 I mean, the one argument you might make if you're Liz Cheney, other than the fact that

00:44:02.560 what else are you going to do with your life, right?

00:44:04.360 Like she's kind of put herself into this box where she's going to be this never-Trump person

00:44:09.100 for, I think, the rest of her life.

00:44:10.720 And this is going to be her industry, I think.

00:44:13.180 So what's the downside, really, of running for president?

00:44:16.940 But I mean, the one argument you can make, maybe electorally, is that there are some people

00:44:20.680 who really don't like Donald Trump.

00:44:22.940 They lean on, you know, to the right as opposed to, and they can never find themselves voting

00:44:27.360 for Joe Biden.

00:44:28.760 But they really don't like Trump.

00:44:30.380 And maybe she gets a half of a percent of the vote.

00:44:33.320 And a half of a percent in the vote in some of these states, it could flip a big state like

00:44:37.360 a Pennsylvania in a really tight election.

00:44:40.280 Not to mention, of course, it pays for her lifestyle for a year.

00:44:43.700 And, you know, she winds up getting connected to a lot of donors.

00:44:47.080 And, you know, there's certainly reasons for it outside of politics.

00:44:49.660 But who would it help?

00:44:51.660 Like, Stu, who does she steal from?

00:44:54.540 Who would vote for Liz Cheney that is a Republican who would have otherwise voted for Trump?

00:45:01.420 Like, there's not a person getting ready to vote for Trump who would then stop and say,

00:45:06.800 oh, wait, I'm going to go Liz Cheney.

00:45:08.300 So if anything, I think she'd pull from Democrats, you know, like the Steve Schmidt crowd that has

00:45:15.240 recently declared themselves, I don't know what he is, but, you know, they hate Trump.

00:45:18.440 They're never Trump-Lincoln people.

00:45:21.520 Wouldn't she be hurting the Dem and helping Trump if she does this?

00:45:27.260 There may be a few people who are just don't, can never vote for a Democrat, but really don't

00:45:33.840 like Donald Trump that might go to her.

00:45:35.640 But I think Dave's right.

00:45:36.600 I mean, it might be 12 people across the country.

00:45:38.600 So I don't know that this is really a play into electoral politics as much as you mentioned

00:45:43.240 the Lincoln Project, right?

00:45:44.260 Like, I think a lot of people on the right look at that as a massive failure.

00:45:49.120 But if you're a member of the Lincoln Project, you probably don't, right?

00:45:53.440 Like, it's been a situation where you've had tons and tons of funding.

00:45:57.140 Your job has been paid for.

00:45:58.860 You know, there's a lot of benefits of this.

00:46:01.080 You're on television all the time.

00:46:03.260 You know, outside of reality when it comes to the election, this might be the life for her,

00:46:10.260 right?

00:46:10.420 It might get her the sorts of benefits in her personal life.

00:46:13.660 Only in politics.

00:46:14.920 Okay.

00:46:15.340 Only in politics can you be defeated by a margin of more than 30 percentage points in your primary,

00:46:22.420 which is what happened to her, and say, my next move is to run for president.

00:46:26.820 You know, this is like our loser mayor in New York, Dave.

00:46:31.060 Like, whatever, the last mayor, who was a nightmare and ruined New York.

00:46:37.540 Yeah, de Blasio, who thought his next move after pulling like 0% popularity in New York

00:46:42.500 could be president.

00:46:43.820 She has no chance.

00:46:44.880 Oh, I'll never forget it.

00:46:46.300 Sanctimony.

00:46:47.120 She comes out and says, we have to ensure Trump and those who have appeased, enabled,

00:46:51.640 and collaborated with him are defeated.

00:46:52.880 This is the cause of our time.

00:46:54.020 When de Blasio ran for president, I was writing at the Federalist at the time, and he went

00:47:00.640 to Iowa, and there's this great shot of him, like, eating a corndog.

00:47:03.720 He looks, like, completely ridiculous.

00:47:05.700 And I used it as the image for three articles in a row about de Blasio until finally my editor

00:47:12.180 was like, Dave, you have to stop.

00:47:13.980 Like, you can't.

00:47:14.460 You got to move on.

00:47:15.060 So I stopped.

00:47:16.420 But no, it's, I mean, that was the same idiocy, right?

00:47:20.960 Honestly, I think Andrew Cuomo would have a better chance as a third-party candidate.

00:47:26.420 Because you make the point.

00:47:28.440 The Liz Cheney constituency in the Republican Party doesn't exist anymore.

00:47:32.400 You mentioned when you were talking to Chris Seierwald, that Atlantic magazine cover of,

00:47:36.360 like, 87 million articles about why you can't have Trump.

00:47:40.180 You know, five years ago, that was National Review with its famous, you know, never Trump

00:47:44.400 issue.

00:47:45.980 Of those people, either those writers came around to Trump to some degree, or they're

00:47:51.060 not Republicans anymore.

00:47:52.680 And they just are.

00:47:53.760 That's true.

00:47:54.280 So that's the point.

00:47:55.340 Like, that constituency just doesn't exist anymore.

00:47:57.860 They're just not Republicans.

00:47:58.400 She's going to find that out the hard way.

00:47:59.960 All right, stand by.

00:48:00.540 We come back with more of what Stu and Dave.

00:48:01.760 They stay with us for the rest of the show.

00:48:07.380 All right, guys.

00:48:08.280 So this is not a parody.

00:48:09.960 But there is breaking news about White House interns.

00:48:12.820 And it doesn't involve a cigar or anything untoward in that way.

00:48:18.560 However, it does involve absolutely disgusting entitled conduct.

00:48:23.980 And I'll tell you how.

00:48:25.560 NBC News reporting that the White House interns now, more than 40 of them,

00:48:30.160 are demanding a ceasefire in the Middle East.

00:48:36.000 The interns.

00:48:37.900 This is what these lunatic leftists have wrought.

00:48:42.240 You are now having interns demand things of the president of the United States, who has

00:48:47.840 been good enough to give them a position in the White House, temporary position for their

00:48:52.460 resumes.

00:48:53.160 These are probably all the kids of donors and so on.

00:48:55.400 And what a bunch of brats.

00:48:58.320 We, the undersigned fall 2023 White House and executive office of the president interns,

00:49:03.800 will no longer remain silent on the ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people.

00:49:08.600 We heed the voices of the American people and call on the administration to demand a permanent

00:49:13.360 ceasefire.

00:49:14.560 We're not the decision makers of today, but we aspire to be the leaders of tomorrow.

00:49:17.860 And we will never forget how the pleas of the American people have been heard and thus far

00:49:22.820 ignored.

00:49:24.400 Then they say they went to work for this administration because of our shared values and the profound

00:49:29.000 belief that under your leadership, America has the potential to be the nation that stands

00:49:32.660 for justice and peace.

00:49:34.340 And then it goes on to say, you disappointed us.

00:49:37.660 We call on you to call for an immediate, impermanent ceasefire right now.

00:49:42.660 Yada, yada, yada, yada.

00:49:44.120 And guess what?

00:49:46.040 These courageous souls who, as they say, almost certainly got these jobs thanks to their parents'

00:49:51.160 donations, did not put their names on the letter.

00:49:56.160 They would like to remain anonymous.

00:49:59.320 They want to be anonymous, entitled brats, not, and ballless for that matter as well,

00:50:04.760 not putting their names on anything.

00:50:05.960 So, Stu, do you feel inspired by them?

00:50:08.140 You think we're going to get some action at the White House in response to this?

00:50:11.500 Incredibly brave, Megan.

00:50:12.800 Wow, that's really impressive.

00:50:15.560 This is, I guess, what you get, though, when you turn over the intellectual leadership of

00:50:20.120 your movement to Greta Thunberg.

00:50:22.600 You wind up with a bunch of people who don't know anything about what they're talking about.

00:50:28.320 And this is the future of the Democratic Party, right?

00:50:30.900 Like, we can sit here and mock the interns, but these are the up-and-coming voices.

00:50:35.200 These are the people who are going to the fancy schools that are getting the high-quality

00:50:38.580 internships that have a pathway for them to the leadership of the future Democratic Party.

00:50:44.620 And this is really where they are.

00:50:47.100 And the point itself is so insane.

00:50:50.780 I mean, they had a pause in action until Hamas broke it.

00:50:55.180 And if I may steal a point from your executive producer, Steve Krakauer, nobody ever seems

00:51:01.860 to ask Hamas if they want a ceasefire.

00:51:03.700 Everyone keeps arguing for one on their behalf, but they don't seem to want one at all.

00:51:08.900 They want one from Israel.

00:51:10.120 They keep releasing statements saying that 10-7 was just a dress rehearsal and there'll

00:51:14.580 be many more.

00:51:16.000 Exactly.

00:51:16.620 Like, what they want is to stop getting the wrong side of the ceasefire, but continue firing

00:51:22.360 as much as they want on their side.

00:51:23.580 That's not how any of this works.

00:51:25.660 And of course, you know, you're at a point where this has been disgusting behavior by so

00:51:30.360 many on the left.

00:51:30.920 And I do think maybe the optimistic part of me, which is incredibly small at this point,

00:51:36.020 Megan, sees a little bit of light in some people on the Democratic side, where the left is,

00:51:41.360 I think, a little bit awakened.

00:51:42.800 I mean, they kept thinking anti-Semitism equals Charlottesville, the 14 people with tiki torches

00:51:47.640 that we were supposed to be so terrified about.

00:51:50.000 But they're seeing thousands of people every single day in cities across the country and

00:51:53.720 colleges across the country doing Charlottesville times 5, 10, 20, arguing for the genocide of

00:52:01.440 all Jews.

00:52:02.880 And we're supposed to sit back and just kind of take this.

00:52:05.240 I think maybe some people on the left, John Fetterman's one.

00:52:08.260 I mean, even Hillary Clinton's made some decent statements on this.

00:52:12.040 She's been not bad, I have to say.

00:52:13.160 Yeah, I'm surprised.

00:52:13.860 I don't know if I get kicked off the radio for saying that.

00:52:16.400 But I mean, it does feel odd that some people on the left have a little bit of awareness

00:52:21.920 on this issue and are calling it out.

00:52:23.860 But man, the voices are not loud enough.

00:52:26.320 By the way, you can feel free to steal liberally from Steve Krakauer.

00:52:29.820 I do it myself all the time.

00:52:31.520 So, Dave, the whiny interns, and that takes us over to their peers who are still on the

00:52:37.380 college campuses who have just proven to be a nightmare.

00:52:41.200 I mean, an absolute embarrassment.

00:52:43.100 We'll get to the testimony we saw from the university presidents on Capitol Hill in one

00:52:46.780 second.

00:52:47.460 But I want to start with this.

00:52:48.420 There's been a lawsuit filed against the University of Pennsylvania.

00:52:51.360 It's not the first one.

00:52:52.720 There's a couple of lawsuits that have been filed.

00:52:55.880 New York University, I think, was one.

00:52:58.020 The University of California at Berkeley.

00:53:00.100 Because what these students are alleging is that they're not being protected.

00:53:03.820 These Jewish students on campus, their civil rights are not being protected by these campus

00:53:08.680 administrators.

00:53:10.180 And in this Penn case, University of Pennsylvania, this is the Ivy League, and that was one of the

00:53:15.380 presidents who testified on Capitol Hill yesterday.

00:53:17.800 They claim Penn committed egregious violations of federal civil rights law by selectively enforcing

00:53:23.420 its rules of conduct to avoid protecting Jewish students from hatred and harassment.

00:53:29.240 They also say that they hired rabidly anti-Semitic professors and ignored students' pleas for

00:53:34.900 protection.

00:53:35.980 So, one of the plaintiffs in this case, Yal Yacobi, spoke at a preference yesterday.

00:53:41.580 And take a listen to Yacobi's description of what happened on campus.

00:53:49.200 36 hours ago, I, along with most of campus, sought refuge in our rooms.

00:53:54.780 As classmates and professors chanted proudly for the genocide of Jews while igniting smoke

00:53:59.620 bombs and defacing school property.

00:54:01.740 The neighboring university's president swiftly denounced the incident.

00:54:05.280 And yet our president cannot.

00:54:07.280 Because the glorious October 7th, and you're a dirty little Jew, you deserve to die.

00:54:13.580 A word said not by Hamas, but by my classmates and professors.

00:54:18.860 And because despite all of this, I am adamant and hopeful that we will not accept, least of

00:54:24.480 all embrace, this horrific new normal on college campuses today.

00:54:28.440 During COVID, strict guidelines governed everything from class attendance and graduation walks.

00:54:34.360 Yet now, when students and faculty defy policies to intimidate Jewish students, where is the

00:54:40.100 same resolute enforcement?

00:54:41.820 Nonetheless, I refuse to go back to 1939, when Jews are to hide the religious symbols and

00:54:47.160 hide who they are due to the intimidation and harassment of us.

00:54:50.880 I used to think this was nonsense, fear-mongering, until I was made aware that Penn recommended

00:54:56.520 to students, quote, not wear clothing slash accessories related to Judaism.

00:55:01.400 Hundreds of posters mocking the hostages featuring cows instead of humans adorned Penn's campus

00:55:06.560 two weeks ago.

00:55:07.800 While on my way to class, I was greeted with chalk reading 90% of pigs are gas chambered.

00:55:13.680 As a student, despite what my university says, I do not feel safe.

00:55:18.940 Oh, my God.

00:55:22.640 That's horrific, Dave.

00:55:25.000 And he speaks for so many of us who knew that there was, of course, anti-Semitism in the

00:55:30.380 world, but really didn't know that it existed to this extent.

00:55:37.180 And it is frightening.

00:55:38.340 It is reminiscent of 1939.

00:55:41.380 And, you know, Megan, I think you were right to relate this to these White House interns.

00:55:45.760 And here's how the White House interns should be handled.

00:55:50.220 They should be brought into a room and told, there's a very well-written letter that's very

00:55:54.520 brave of you.

00:55:55.220 You're all fired.

00:55:56.420 The ones who signed it, the ones who didn't sign it.

00:55:59.520 And this is the reason why.

00:56:01.540 That letter didn't get sent because they think that Joe Biden cares what a bunch of 22-year-olds

00:56:07.660 think.

00:56:08.040 That letter was sent to embarrass Joe Biden, their boss.

00:56:12.460 That letter was sent to humiliate their boss and try to force him into doing what they

00:56:17.200 want done because they think it's that important.

00:56:20.880 And it's exactly what we see these students on the college campuses doing.

00:56:24.540 The students on the college campus are saying, I will not be stopped from yelling from the

00:56:30.720 river to the sea.

00:56:31.280 I will not be stopped from saying horrible anti-Semitic things and making people feel

00:56:36.040 unsafe because I need to stop this genocide in Palestine because what I believe in is

00:56:40.260 so important that nothing else matters.

00:56:43.840 And it's awful.

00:56:46.660 It's really, really bad.

00:56:48.100 It's very dark.

00:56:49.860 And it's, I guess, not a surprise, Stu, for a few reasons.

00:56:53.400 I mean, we've all been following the wokeification of college campuses.

00:56:56.220 But to hear the university presidents yesterday called before Congress to talk about their

00:57:01.340 failure to protect the Jewish students on campus was pretty remarkable.

00:57:06.640 Now, we can get into Ilya Shapiro, who used to run.

00:57:10.100 Remember, he's a great legal commentator and lawyer.

00:57:12.780 And he was the guy who was hired by Georgetown Law to sort of run the Georgetown Law Center.

00:57:18.020 And then they they ruined his life because he sent out one errant tweet about Ketanji

00:57:25.000 Brown Jackson, the Supreme Court justice, after Biden had said, I'm only going to take a black

00:57:29.460 woman and whatever.

00:57:30.460 It was a long thing.

00:57:31.440 Anyway, Ilya did nothing wrong.

00:57:32.520 And he corrected his tweet, blah, blah, blah.

00:57:34.240 He got booted out of Georgetown Law essentially for that.

00:57:36.720 They made his life a living hell and he had to leave.

00:57:38.320 He did this long piece about where your free speech rights end and somebody else's civil

00:57:45.140 rights on campus begin.

00:57:47.720 And it's very true that we have the United States.

00:57:50.740 What makes us special is we believe in freedom of speech here, you know, in extreme cases.

00:57:56.240 And that's that's a good thing.

00:57:58.040 All of Europe, you can't protest.

00:58:00.420 They're shutting down protests because you're not allowed.

00:58:02.160 They're shutting down speech because you're not allowed free speech.

00:58:04.400 Look what's happening in Ireland right now.

00:58:06.020 They're shutting down speech if it's just, you know, allegedly hateful.

00:58:09.480 They're searching people's phones.

00:58:11.300 The United States is unique in a good way.

00:58:13.520 But there are limits.

00:58:16.460 And you cannot surround Jews on a campus and chant that you want them genocided to the

00:58:23.920 point where they're cowering in their dorms or their door or their mess hall, afraid and

00:58:31.120 unable to meaningfully participate in the college education for which they're paying.

00:58:35.480 And time after time, we're seeing that, Stu.

00:58:38.120 So I'll set it up with a bit on the college campus presidents.

00:58:42.200 There was one from MIT.

00:58:43.360 There was one from Harvard.

00:58:44.280 There was one from UPenn.

00:58:46.680 And Elise Stefanik did the best job just cross-examining them on what's happening.

00:58:52.300 Watch.

00:58:53.940 Ms. McGill at Penn, does calling for the genocide of Jews violate Penn's rules or code of conduct?

00:59:01.520 Yes or no?

00:59:02.080 No.

00:59:02.580 No.

00:59:02.880 No.

00:59:02.980 No.

00:59:03.080 No.

00:59:03.580 No.

00:59:03.980 No.

00:59:04.980 If the speech turns into conduct, it can be harassment.

00:59:09.180 Yes.

00:59:09.500 I am asking, specifically calling for the genocide of Jews, does that constitute bullying or harassment?

00:59:18.380 If it is directed and severe or pervasive, it is harassment.

00:59:22.500 So the answer is yes.

00:59:24.500 It is a context-dependent decision, Congresswoman.

00:59:27.160 It's a context-dependent decision.

00:59:29.080 That's your testimony today.

00:59:30.260 Calling for the genocide of Jews is, depending upon the context, that is not bullying or harassment.

00:59:36.500 This is the easiest question to answer yes, Ms. McGill.

00:59:40.260 So is your testimony that you will not answer yes?

00:59:45.540 If it is, if the speech becomes conduct, it can be harassment.

00:59:52.480 Yes.

00:59:53.000 Conduct meaning committing the act of genocide?

00:59:56.640 The speech is not harassment?

00:59:58.440 This is unacceptable, Ms. McGill.

01:00:00.580 I'm going to give you one more opportunity for the world to see your answer.

01:00:05.660 Does calling for the genocide of Jews violate Penn's code of conduct when it comes to bullying and harassment?

01:00:13.220 Yes or no?

01:00:13.860 It can be harassment.

01:00:18.660 The answer is yes.

01:00:21.980 What did you make of it, Stu?

01:00:24.980 She did an incredible job there.

01:00:26.760 I mean, that was the best grilling of someone in this type of circumstance that I've ever seen.

01:00:32.020 I mean, the outrage is real and obvious.

01:00:35.360 You know, it's amazing that it's something that needs to even be asked.

01:00:38.420 I mean, it's honestly a softball question, right?

01:00:40.060 The easiest question, the easiest answer in the world is to say, of course, that's harassment.

01:00:42.920 That's crazy.

01:00:45.800 It's not surprising here to see their reaction, though, and that's what's odd.

01:00:51.400 I mean, when you look at, if you haven't seen the video, you look at her, the people, all the presidents of these universities and the facial expressions they're making, and there's almost a tone of, you know, Congresswoman, you're talking to the wrong people.

01:01:05.880 I'm talking to the right people.

01:01:07.320 I'm talking to, people know what I mean.

01:01:09.380 This is all nuanced.

01:01:10.700 I can't, they're not going to say what she wants them to say.

01:01:14.720 It's almost like they felt they were above her in answering this question in some weird way.

01:01:19.660 And this is what's really disturbing about where we're going here, because, you know, universities are filled with kids who believe all of this stuff.

01:01:26.780 They've been taught under the tutelage of people like the woman answering the questions there.

01:01:32.900 And that's terrifying.

01:01:35.100 When you look at the, a bunch of really negative polls just came out about Joe Biden, which is, you know, not exactly breaking news.

01:01:40.740 And a lot of conservatives, and when I saw it too, I don't think Joe Biden's been a good president.

01:01:44.900 So I'm glad to see his poll numbers go down.

01:01:46.900 But when I looked at the details of them, it actually felt like bad news.

01:01:51.220 And the reason why is because it wasn't because they were saying, hey, Joe Biden's too old or he's incompetent or his policies, generally speaking for the country, have been bad.

01:01:59.980 He's not controlling the border, all the things that I would critique on Joe Biden.

01:02:03.700 It was younger voters who were turning on Biden because he was too pro-Israel.

01:02:09.860 And, you know, if you know anything about Joe Biden, he has magically found himself basically in the center of the Democratic Party for half a century.

01:02:18.660 He will move wherever he needs to move to try to please voters within some very loose guardrails.

01:02:25.180 And I worry that this this sort of attitude is going to become even more prominent among Democrats as they see polling go the wrong direction.

01:02:34.980 And I think that's a bad, bad news, not just for Jews, but for everybody.

01:02:39.940 So, Dave, this is not a popular position, but I have to defend free speech here.

01:02:47.260 Sure. I don't think it is unconstitutional for these students to chant hateful slogans on campus.

01:02:58.340 Now, too much targeted and so on can run you afoul of the civil rights laws for the reasons I just stated.

01:03:05.220 If you're if you're targeting Jews in a way that makes them feel unsafe.

01:03:08.100 But just just saying a slogan, just like a march, saying something like even globalize the Intifada.

01:03:14.320 And I realize it's terrible. I understand what you're saying, but that's America.

01:03:19.120 That's the same reason the KKK was allowed to march in our streets to say all the terrible things about black people.

01:03:24.140 They were allowed to do that. The First Amendment does not exist to protect speech that you like.

01:03:29.660 It exists to protect speech you do not like.

01:03:32.160 So having said that, there are limits.

01:03:36.300 You you cannot what they're doing on these campuses is scaring Jewish kids by surrounding them, by having die ins on campus.

01:03:44.380 And when the Jews walk by, harassing them, laying hands on them by storming through study halls where they're minding their own business,

01:03:50.960 studying for class and getting in their face with flags and hateful slogans.

01:03:55.220 That's different. And my problem with these women who testified yesterday, Dave, and I'm interested in your take, is F them for being so cavalier about it.

01:04:04.900 F them for showing absolutely no empathy for what the Jewish students are going through.

01:04:09.140 They clearly don't care.

01:04:11.480 They're there. It depends on context.

01:04:15.920 Well, it depends on the context. Right.

01:04:17.460 It was you wanted to smack them.

01:04:20.020 Well, my question is, in what context is it appropriate to call for the genocide of Jews or the genocide of anyone?

01:04:28.820 Cards against humanity. It's not. It's never appropriate.

01:04:31.720 What are they talking about?

01:04:34.600 Well, no. And look, I agree with you completely that that it's legal to do that and it's protected by the First Amendment.

01:04:40.280 But institutions are allowed to protect themselves. Right.

01:04:43.600 I mean, we know for certain and must and just just to reiterate, Dave, they must under the under Title seven.

01:04:50.240 The universities have an obligation to protect minority students like Jews, Jews from having their activities interfered with because of their Judaism, because of who they are.

01:05:00.440 Yeah. I mean, look, what what what jumped what jumped out to me with the with those women yesterday, the presidents of the Ivy League universities,

01:05:07.020 is these are the leaders of what's what are supposed to be our most important institutions of learning.

01:05:12.840 And they don't understand or don't seem capable of basic discourse.

01:05:17.960 They just repeat these nonsense shibboleths over and over that don't mean anything.

01:05:24.380 And we're all supposed to say, oh, well, you know, you're the president of Harvard, I guess, you know, it's context dependent or did speech become conduct?

01:05:32.660 And these don't mean anything.

01:05:35.020 The answer is no, no, you're not allowed to target Jewish students and and attack them with words for being Jews and be a student at our university.

01:05:45.560 It's a student. Stu said it.

01:05:47.800 The answers here are very simple.

01:05:49.600 And the reason that they're not capable of saying it is because they are completely caught up in this hierarchy of oppression.

01:05:56.160 They view Jews as oppressors. And listen, I think at the end of the day, they're probably OK with a certain level of anti-Semitism.

01:06:04.780 I mean, I don't like to say that. I just think it's true.

01:06:07.820 I couldn't agree with you more. It's it's obvious that they've proven it day after day on these college campuses, which has just been absolutely horrifying.

01:06:15.420 This is some of what the guy we just played, Eyal Yacalbi, who is amazing.

01:06:20.220 What a spokesman. And I'm so glad that he gave his testimonial and is not going to back down.

01:06:24.780 He's at UPenn. So here's just a little bit of the UPenn students marching just over the weekend.

01:06:31.720 We showed yesterday what they did at Cornell. Here's another Ivy League in SOT 9.

01:06:35.420 Something very creepy about it. It's creepy about the accent.

01:07:04.480 It's creepy in this context. All of it creeps me out.

01:07:07.720 And the problem is you've got these students doing this while not far away in Philly.

01:07:13.600 You've got a Jewish person's falafel restaurant targeted because he's Jewish outside of Goldie's,

01:07:23.840 an anti-Semitic mob in Philly attacked this man rhetorically because he's a Jew.

01:07:31.460 Listen here. SOT 10.

01:07:34.480 Yeah. So I guess he was born in Israel. That was enough to harass. That's illegal.

01:08:03.660 What we saw there, that's not lawful.

01:08:07.080 Yeah, I totally agree with that. I mean, you know, you can't hide is an implied threat to me.

01:08:12.140 That's not just, you know, that's not just speech. I think there is a, you laid this out really well

01:08:17.760 when it comes to the legal side of this. Of course, you should be able to say, you know,

01:08:21.500 all sorts of things. There's a, there's a first amendment argument to be made that almost anything

01:08:25.760 is allowed. And I'm, I'm close to the free speech absolutist side of this. I think everything

01:08:30.580 should be able to be spoken. If it's not a threat, if you're trapping someone in a library and banging

01:08:35.500 on the doors, um, that's not free speech that has nothing to do with free speech. But, you know,

01:08:41.500 if you go back to her original question, it wasn't even about, uh, the first amendment. It

01:08:46.420 wasn't about legalities of this speech. It was about the code of conduct. These are rules with

01:08:53.640 insight, you know, the guidelines you mentioned with title seven aside, like these are laws.

01:08:57.340 They're basically making up for their own campus, right? They can make them whatever they want.

01:09:00.980 And they do make them whatever they want all the time. They're throwing people out. You mentioned

01:09:05.160 Ilya Shapiro. There's so many examples of this where they make every kind of microaggression,

01:09:11.100 this international offense. But when we're talking about genocide, it's, it's okay. One of the,

01:09:17.200 one of the speakers yesterday, one of the presidents of the university said, well, it's, it's, uh, it

01:09:21.520 crosses the line when it's targeted at an individual. Well, how do you target genocide at an individual?

01:09:26.860 It's, it's collective thing. You're killing all of them. So it will never hit that standard. It's like

01:09:33.720 genocide is exempt from your code of conduct. It is really disturbing. And they just keep going down

01:09:39.660 these roads farther and farther. It's dangerous for everybody because who knows what the next group

01:09:45.180 could be. It doesn't matter, uh, if it's, if it's going to affect you, it's wrong because it's

01:09:49.520 affecting somebody else. We should stand up against it. But this is something that's going to continue

01:09:53.800 to spread to all sorts of unfavored groups. You know, Dave, the case of Ilya Shapiro is actually,

01:09:58.760 I'm glad Stu picked up on that because it's, it's, it's interesting to juxtapose what happened to him

01:10:03.380 and what's happening right now. Ilya Shapiro is brilliant. He got hired to run the Georgetown Law Center,

01:10:07.960 which is a student, uh, I think graduate, uh, program. And he got railroaded out of the position

01:10:15.980 after he tweeted out about Katanji Brown Jackson. And now we're, now we're stuck with a lesser black

01:10:22.060 woman instead of a more qualified nominee. And what he meant was we didn't go for the best candidate.

01:10:29.020 Joe Biden made that clear. It had to be a black person. It had to be a woman. And so he recognized

01:10:34.060 it was in our fleet stated and he took it down and you said, he was sorry. And that should have

01:10:38.080 been the end of it. They had like sit-ins at Georgetown over this. The students were asking

01:10:47.000 for reparations because of his tweet. They acted like complete brats on campus when the university

01:10:57.080 administrators tried to calm them down and have big listening sessions about Ilya's tweet.

01:11:04.720 But all this stuff on college campuses, it's fine. Genocide into fodder revolution on Moss

01:11:11.500 with a scary nighttime threatening. That's go for it. You know, free speech. We love it. And we've

01:11:17.580 always been defenders of it. Well, we know that's not true. Yeah. I mean, full, uh, full disclosure,

01:11:23.180 Ilya is a good friend of mine. He was actually the last person who I saw before the lockdown. He was

01:11:28.040 in Brooklyn giving a, uh, speech at a law school. I'll never forget. Cause he wore his Princeton tie

01:11:33.160 and I told him, you're such a jerk. Like this, wear your Princeton tie. But anyway, no, he's,

01:11:38.820 Ilya is fantastic. Um, and yeah, yeah. I mean, look, you're absolutely right. I mean, they,

01:11:43.300 they had pulled out the fainting couches and had the coloring books and the puppies and, you know,

01:11:46.980 I guess whatever they need, um, to calm themselves down when somebody sends a tweet that they don't

01:11:52.820 like. Uh, but yeah, calling, screaming for intifada and, and, and, and screaming for the

01:11:58.260 genocide of Jews is, is apparently fine. But I think we, we need to look at this word genocide

01:12:03.800 importantly though, in the other context, which is when they were, when they're accusing Israel

01:12:09.400 and Jews of genocide, first of all, it's nonsense. Like, I mean, it, it, it's just an absurd charge

01:12:15.800 that's not based in reality, but the reason that they use it is because what is the limit

01:12:20.620 as to how you're allowed to fight genocide? The answer is there isn't, right? The only way that

01:12:28.860 you can justify what happened on October 7th is by saying that we're fighting against genocide.

01:12:33.880 When you're fighting against genocide, you can drop a nuclear bomb. When you're fighting against

01:12:37.680 genocide, there are no rules whatsoever. And that's what these people are really saying is

01:12:42.680 that there are no rules. It's, it's their way or they'll blow us up.

01:12:46.160 I feel strongly that all of these protesters would still be out there. Even if Israel hadn't

01:12:54.400 responded at all, they'd still be saying these slogans protesting against Israel. They're using

01:13:02.380 Israel's response to the terrorist attack on it as an excuse, in my view, to give voice to their

01:13:10.080 hatred of Israel. And in most cases of Jews, they're, they're using it as an excuse. Israel was

01:13:16.580 attacked. What country in the world would not attack back? As you pointed out earlier, they seem to be

01:13:22.640 objecting that Israel's winning, right? You know, and no one, no one looks at dead children on either

01:13:30.540 side, at least no one who's sane and says, yeah, that's great. No one's saying that, but we're, I think

01:13:37.720 most of us who are paying attention to this understand that the dead children on the Palestinian

01:13:40.920 side, unfortunately lost their lives because of the Palestinians, because of Hamas who placed them

01:13:47.680 in danger and continue to intentionally. So these people are not honest brokers on the street with

01:13:53.520 these chants. They know all that. They just refuse to acknowledge it. And why? Because they have a

01:13:57.980 different agenda. And I would submit it is Jew hatred, which is spreading. It's spreading and it's

01:14:04.240 becoming more open. And that leads me to Vancouver. So there was an incident. This happened on November

01:14:09.720 12th, but it is just making the rounds online and it is disturbing. Um, we have a bit of a longer clip

01:14:16.900 on it. Hold on. I want to make sure that I have the, um, here it is. Okay. It was on Vancouver transit.

01:14:22.620 You know, I have two producers up there in Canada. So sometimes we get a beat on these stories,

01:14:26.100 um, and the fallout from them. You'll hear these people shouting, uh, somebody yelling, shame on

01:14:33.960 you, genocide. And then the response, supporting television and terrorism, not television. And the

01:14:40.060 man responds with, and you'll hear it. You fucking Jew. It goes from there. Watch it. Here's the

01:14:46.720 longer clip you guys. Longer clip, saw 13.

01:14:48.580 I promise you, Palestine will be freed.

01:14:50.620 Palestine will be freed. You guys are terrorist supporters on God?

01:14:55.240 You are terrorist supporters.

01:14:56.620 You're a terrorist supporter of you.

01:14:58.280 Free Palestine!

01:14:59.900 Free, free Palestine!

01:15:01.820 Free, free, Palestine!

01:15:03.760 Free, free Palestine!

01:15:05.740 Palestine will never die.

01:15:07.780 Palestine will never die.

01:15:09.640 From the river to the sea!

01:15:11.560 From the river to the sea!

01:15:13.760 Palestine will be free.

01:15:15.480 Palestine will be free.

01:15:17.560 From the river to the sea.

01:15:19.620 From the river to the sea.

01:15:21.480 Palestine will be free.

01:15:23.760 Palestine will be free.

01:15:25.720 You guys are free.

01:15:27.720 Free Palestine.

01:15:29.480 Free Palestine.

01:15:31.480 Fuck you.

01:15:33.480 Fuck you, you genocide supporter.

01:15:36.480 You're going to get fired from your job?

01:15:39.480 And there was genocide supporter.

01:15:44.480 You effing Jew.

01:15:46.480 You effing Jew.

01:15:47.480 They're saying this stuff out loud in the open in front of others.

01:15:51.480 There's no shame, you guys.

01:15:53.480 It's we've just crossed over into very dark, new, dangerous territory.

01:15:58.480 Sadly, not new historically.

01:16:01.480 No, it's not at all.

01:16:03.480 These are old hatreds that have been around for a very, very long time.

01:16:06.480 And they're, you know, the it's a fascinating thing to watch this play out,

01:16:11.480 because really what we're seeing is explicitly what Hamas was desiring.

01:16:16.480 You know, when they go into Israel and they attack and rape and behead children

01:16:22.480 and live stream murders of grandmothers to their family's Facebook page.

01:16:26.480 When they do things like that, that's not like trying to take over the Donbas region, right?

01:16:31.480 Like this.

01:16:32.480 They're not trying to gain land in Israel with that particular attack.

01:16:37.480 It was to incite a response from Israel, who obviously had to take that response.

01:16:43.480 That was the appropriate action.

01:16:45.480 But they knew that they would have these allies around the world that would rise up and not look at what they did,

01:16:51.480 not care about what they did.

01:16:53.480 They would just go inside with the Palestinians no matter what.

01:16:57.480 I mean, Dave's point is great here.

01:16:59.480 I mean, talking about how genocide is used specifically to justify anything is exactly what they're doing.

01:17:06.480 But I think in a way they even went farther than that.

01:17:09.480 I mean, we've all had that that theoretical conversation at some point in our lives.

01:17:12.480 If you went back in time, would you kill baby Hitler or whatever?

01:17:15.480 Would you stop a dictator like that from all these terrible things they were doing?

01:17:19.480 No one has the conversation.

01:17:21.480 If we went back in time, would you rape Hitler?

01:17:23.480 Like that's not even in the concept of genocide, rape as a weapon is completely out of bounds.

01:17:31.480 And yet they are somehow the humanitarian side of this argument.

01:17:36.480 It blows the mind of any, I think, rational person who would see Israel's actions as completely and obviously justified.

01:17:46.480 I mean, even after 9-11, most of the world saw it our way.

01:17:50.480 Like we have to, of course, do something.

01:17:52.480 There's been, you know, fractures of that throughout the years.

01:17:55.480 But at the beginning, people were pretty much on our side.

01:17:58.480 Israel didn't get the benefit of the doubt on that.

01:18:00.480 They had, what, two days before people started saying they were committing genocide.

01:18:03.480 It's horrific and it continues.

01:18:06.480 So this is a good point.

01:18:07.480 And I heard Jim Garrity on National Review making this point yesterday about we talked about how they kicked out Santos.

01:18:14.480 You know, he was a Republican, ostensibly, who never met a lie he didn't want to tell.

01:18:19.480 And they kicked him out.

01:18:21.480 And he was doing some other bad stuff, too.

01:18:23.480 He was an unethical guy.

01:18:25.480 But Representative Jayapal, we played her yesterday from Washington State.

01:18:32.480 The sexual violence really needs to be contextualized, you know, because she wanted to both sides it.

01:18:37.480 You have to contextualize them gang raping women, eight, nine different men to the point where the women are begging to just be put out of their misery.

01:18:46.480 Yeah, that's a two sides situation.

01:18:48.480 You got it.

01:18:49.480 She's got her job for life.

01:18:51.480 How does that woman, she'll get reelected and reelected.

01:18:54.480 How does she stay in Congress?

01:18:55.480 How does Congress not throw her ass out?

01:18:57.480 But Santos, I'm not defending him.

01:19:00.480 I'm just saying her sin's far worse than his.

01:19:03.480 Here is, our team translated, like did the voices because it's, I think in Hebrew, a female eyewitness describing the rape scene in Israel.

01:19:15.480 We've talked about it on the show before, but here's an eyewitness, which, hello, folks who are supporting Hamas in the law, we would call this evidence.

01:19:24.480 Because we keep hearing there's no evidence of any of the sexual violence.

01:19:27.480 Sal 11.

01:19:29.480 The situation where they laid a woman down, and I understand that he is raping her.

01:19:36.480 He was basically shifting her position.

01:19:40.480 And then they passed her to another person.

01:19:44.480 Was she alive?

01:19:45.480 The girl they raped?

01:19:46.480 Yes, she was alive.

01:19:48.480 She stood on her feet?

01:19:50.480 She stood on her feet.

01:19:51.480 She was bleeding.

01:19:52.480 She was bleeding from her back.

01:19:54.480 He's pulling her hair.

01:19:55.480 She had long hair.

01:19:57.480 He's pulling her hair.

01:19:59.480 He's like, um, she's not dressed.

01:20:08.480 And he cuts her breasts.

01:20:10.480 And he cuts her breasts.

01:20:12.480 He throws it on the road.

01:20:13.480 They are playing with it.

01:20:15.480 And she's going like this with her head back.

01:20:18.480 I'm sorry.

01:20:22.480 These are barbarians.

01:20:24.480 These are sick subhuman operatives.

01:20:28.480 And there's no solution here other than to kill them.

01:20:33.480 That's what needs to happen for the violence to end.

01:20:36.480 People who did that need to die.

01:20:37.480 Let's be clear.

01:20:38.480 If you're calling for a permanent ceasefire today, that's what you support.

01:20:44.480 Because Hamas has promised to do it again.

01:20:47.480 They have said, we will do this again and again and again.

01:20:52.480 So if your position on December 6th, 2023, is that Israel should just pack up, move back,

01:21:00.480 stop fighting back at all, that's what you support.

01:21:03.480 And you need to own it.

01:21:04.480 And it's disgusting.

01:21:06.480 And I can't believe that there are so many people in our country who do support that.

01:21:10.480 And I'm not going to pretend that they don't anymore.

01:21:12.480 There's no middle ground here.

01:21:14.480 There's no gray area.

01:21:16.480 As you said, Megan, those people need to be killed.

01:21:19.480 Full stop.

01:21:20.480 That's the only way.

01:21:21.480 I mean, tell it to the White House interns and Representative Jaya Powell and the squad,

01:21:27.480 Stu, who have they said anything about?

01:21:30.480 I mean, Jaya Powell was forced by Dan Abash of CNN to comment on the sexual violence used

01:21:34.480 as a tool of war.

01:21:35.480 She didn't want to do it.

01:21:36.480 And then when she finally did it, she screwed it up.

01:21:38.480 And even she's now been forced to be like, oh, no, Hamas is terrible.

01:21:42.480 I said that, you know, sexual violence is bad.

01:21:45.480 Bullshit.

01:21:46.480 We understood what she was trying to say the first time around.

01:21:48.480 But they're all slow to condemn this.

01:21:50.480 They, I can't believe that they're okay with what we just heard.

01:21:56.480 But they're really quick to just turn away.

01:21:59.480 Really quick to say, let's move on.

01:22:02.480 Yeah, it's hard to even talk after hearing that clip.

01:22:06.480 That's so disturbing.

01:22:07.480 And it's fascinating to see how they are reacting.

01:22:09.480 I mean, think of, think back to, you know, I don't know, the Me Too era for a second.

01:22:14.480 I mean, there was obviously a lot of good.

01:22:16.480 Some people who were really awful were held accountable during that period.

01:22:19.480 And that's a really positive thing.

01:22:21.480 But there were also a lot of people who like made jokes and and had, you know, bad dates.

01:22:27.480 And these things were turned into international incidents where here we're supposed to ignore the actual international incident that is going on when you're talking about sexual violence being used this way.

01:22:38.480 I mean, I don't know.

01:22:40.480 I feel like I don't understand the world sometimes.

01:22:43.480 You know, when I was when I was a kid, you'd see the videos of people with different water fountains and you'd look back at like this period of racism and you'd say, how is that even possible?

01:22:54.480 What an idiotic thing to judge people based on the color of their skin.

01:22:58.480 And I think until fairly recently, I undersold the idea that that anti-Semitism was it was as active as it is in the United States.

01:23:07.480 I don't think I understood it. I knew it was active around the world.

01:23:10.480 I knew it was a real thing. I knew these old hatreds don't go away at some level.

01:23:14.480 But I am shocked to see how people gathering in the thousands, tens of thousands in the West and justifying these things and saying the same types of stuff that you saw in Charlottesville, which everybody that I know on the right immediately denounced.

01:23:31.480 We can't get those words out of anyone seemingly on the left these days.

01:23:36.480 And the fact that these hatreds still exist and can this stuff can be justified is so objectively dumb.

01:23:44.480 Like, I can't even it's hard to even pick apart intellectually because it's such a idiotic viewpoint.

01:23:51.480 If you're basing these things on racial and anti-Semitic tropes that you've, I don't know, learned on the Internet or have been taught in major universities, you need to rethink your life because you're doing life wrong.

01:24:03.480 Hmm. It's amazing. Hamas hit the goldmine because they launched their disgusting terrorist attack just at the time when this, as you said, Dave, oppressor, oppressee narrative had taken over the West.

01:24:20.480 And I don't know that Hamas had calculated that in when predicting what kind of support it might get.

01:24:26.480 I think they just want to kill Jews, you know, period. Like, it's all bonus if they get extra support.

01:24:31.480 But, man, they timed it so right because you look at that Gallup poll.

01:24:34.480 We talked about it yesterday that comes out and the Democratic Party has totally shifted on this issue.

01:24:38.480 It's been happening for a while, but it has totally shifted on this issue.

01:24:42.480 They are on the Palestinian side.

01:24:44.480 They do not support Israel, especially the young Democrats and black Democrats.

01:24:49.480 I think it was 64 percent.

01:24:52.480 And I think that actually may have just, yeah, 64 percent say they're on the side of the Palestinians.

01:24:56.480 I think on both of those numbers, I'll pull them back up.

01:24:58.480 It was alarming.

01:24:59.480 Let me take a quick, quick break, and then I'll pick it back up there on the backside of this.

01:25:03.480 Dave and Stu, stay with us.

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01:26:10.480 So my team refreshed me on the Gallup poll.

01:26:12.480 It really is shocking.

01:26:14.480 Solid majorities of Republicans, men, adults 55 and older, and whites, white adults at least, approve of Israel's military actions in Gaza.

01:26:24.480 However, more than 6 out of 10 Democrats, so it's 6 out of 10 Democrats, 67% of people, not just Democrats, 67% of people under 35, 64% people of color, 52% of women disapprove of Israel's actions in Gaza.

01:26:45.480 It's amazing how these groups have been brainwashed into thinking Israel is the devil.

01:26:52.480 I mean, it's just stunning.

01:26:54.480 It's been a stunning propaganda video or victory for Hamas.

01:26:59.480 They use videos.

01:27:00.480 We saw the video the other day.

01:27:01.480 Do you see the video of the Hamas or the Palestinian person comforting their hurt baby?

01:27:06.480 And it was a doll, right?

01:27:08.480 It was a very obviously a doll where they're like the camera got a little too close and you could see it's a doll.

01:27:14.480 We're supposed to feel bad that Israel allegedly killed.

01:27:16.480 So it is a propaganda war as much as a real one.

01:27:19.480 All right, let me move on to a couple of other things.

01:27:21.480 There's a climate summit going on over in Dubai.

01:27:25.480 Have you guys been watching any of this?

01:27:27.480 I'm riveted by it.

01:27:29.480 And let me guess, they're all flying commercial and conserving as much green energy as possible.

01:27:38.480 Do I have it right?

01:27:40.480 Hmm.

01:27:41.480 You nailed it, as usual, right?

01:27:44.480 Yeah.

01:27:45.480 So the hypocrites are together again still.

01:27:47.480 Yeah.

01:27:48.480 Now, first they have to get the planes unfrozen from the tarmac.

01:27:51.480 When that happens, which did happen in Germany, private plane frozen to the tarmac so they couldn't go to COP 28, the climate conference.

01:27:59.480 You know, when that's going on, they get they get to be hypocrites and they can fly over there.

01:28:03.480 I mean, do we have we all they were these same people were telling us we had to stay inside and educate our five year olds through Zoom.

01:28:10.480 They can't do a climate conference through Zoom.

01:28:12.480 I don't know.

01:28:13.480 Why did they all have to be in Dubai for this?

01:28:16.480 They do this every year.

01:28:17.480 But I'll tell you, that wasn't the biggest news coming out of the climate change situation.

01:28:21.480 We saw in The New York Post the other day this exclusive where there's a real question about John Kerry, our climate czar, fighting against the greenhouse gases, left a little of his own.

01:28:34.480 Now, I ask you, you're the perfect guest for this.

01:28:39.480 I'm sorry.

01:28:40.480 But Debbie Murphy really wanted to get this story.

01:28:42.480 Was this or was this not an incident involving some gas in the middle of John Kerry's remarks?

01:28:50.480 Take a listen.

01:28:53.480 More coal fired power plants permitted anywhere in the world.

01:28:57.480 I find myself getting more and more militant because I do not understand how adults who are in position of responsibility can be avoiding responsibility for taking away those things that are killing people on a daily basis.

01:29:11.480 And the reality is that.

01:29:12.480 And the reality is that the climate crisis and the health crisis are one and the same.

01:29:18.480 Dave, did you hear it?

01:29:23.480 Did you hear it again?

01:29:24.480 They've isolated it here.

01:29:25.480 We'll play the isolated part.

01:29:28.480 Can be avoiding responsibility for taking away those things that are killing people on a daily basis.

01:29:34.480 And the reality is that.

01:29:35.480 Megan, you're killing me.

01:29:36.480 What are you saying?

01:29:37.480 What are you saying?

01:29:38.480 No, last time it was Judge Erdogan or whatever his name is naked that you made us look at.

01:29:45.480 Now you're making us listen to John Kerry pass gas.

01:29:49.480 It's a very classy show, Marcus.

01:29:50.480 All right?

01:29:51.480 Very classy.

01:29:52.480 I will say it is probably the smartest thing that I've ever heard from him.

01:29:56.480 And it's a lot wiser than his words.

01:30:01.480 No, it's unbelievable.

01:30:02.480 This guy, you know, substantively, he says, well, what we have to do is we have to stop.

01:30:08.480 We have to stop digging for coal right now.

01:30:10.480 All of it.

01:30:11.480 Like, no more coal.

01:30:13.480 I live in a place called West Virginia.

01:30:15.480 I would invite John Kerry to come here to West Virginia and explain to the good people whose whole state economy is based on coal.

01:30:24.480 Oh, you don't get to do that anymore.

01:30:26.480 What's John think we're going to do here?

01:30:28.480 I mean, it's it's complete and utter lunacy.

01:30:31.480 And these frauds run all over the world, as you say, in their private jets and this.

01:30:36.480 Well, you know, you have to make sacrifices.

01:30:38.480 Put on a sweater.

01:30:39.480 Let's screw you, John.

01:30:40.480 I know.

01:30:41.480 Right.

01:30:42.480 I have to suck anything up as he flies in his private jet at his Tony home in Massachusetts.

01:30:46.480 Still, he'll be fine.

01:30:47.480 He can he can be just as much of a windbag out of both ways as he wants.

01:30:52.480 He's not going to suffer the consequences of the policies he's trying to shove down the throats of the West Virginians.

01:30:57.480 Very, very true.

01:30:58.480 Although I don't know if Dave and I need to form a union here.

01:31:01.480 But why are we the perfect guests to talk about John Kerry's fart?

01:31:05.480 Well, I mean, I don't know.

01:31:08.480 I feel like Murphy's fault is not my fault.

01:31:10.480 Well, Debbie Murphy said she was referring to you, Stu, but she went to you first.

01:31:15.480 That's true.

01:31:16.480 Well, listen, I really just use that as an excuse to set up my my my the premiere of my movie, my TV show that I'm a star of.

01:31:24.480 I don't know if you if you heard, but I've gone Hollywood guys.

01:31:28.480 And I think in our in our cartoon, Mr.

01:31:31.480 Burcham, which is going to be airing exclusively on the Daily Wire Plus, we're going to have humor like this.

01:31:36.480 We're not above it.

01:31:37.480 I think I've just proven that.

01:31:38.480 And it's Adam Carolla's idea and character that he's been doing for years.

01:31:43.480 For years, Mr.

01:31:44.480 Burcham, he's this non woke shop teacher who just doesn't understand the world around him in modern day America.

01:31:50.480 And the trailer officially dropped.

01:31:52.480 I told my audience I would run it.

01:31:53.480 It's super entertaining.

01:31:55.480 Take a listen.

01:31:57.480 Just tell me what you need.

01:32:00.480 Jumping in the first one.

01:32:01.480 Rolling.

01:32:02.480 Speed.

01:32:03.480 Action.

01:32:04.480 Sawbuck's looking a little chubby wubby.

01:32:05.480 So I bought him some new food.

01:32:07.480 It's organic and vegan.

01:32:09.480 Dogs are supposed to eat meat.

01:32:11.480 They're descendants of wolves.

01:32:12.480 You ever see a vegan wolf on the Nature Channel?

01:32:16.480 I'm a vegan.

01:32:19.480 Coffee is for closers, ladies.

01:32:21.480 Listen up.

01:32:22.480 Hey, don't make this a prison hug.

01:32:23.480 Don't do anything stupid.

01:32:25.480 Or than last year.

01:32:26.480 I'm a heteronormative cisgendered white male.

01:32:30.480 For which I apologize.

01:32:32.480 I'm black and that used to be enough.

01:32:34.480 But I'm also bilingual and I'm non-binary.

01:32:37.480 We're the army.

01:32:38.480 We drink more before 9 a.m. than you Navy pukes do all day.

01:32:41.480 He rubbed all the fur off his emotional support ferret.

01:32:44.480 The damn thing look like a four-legged penis.

01:32:52.480 Charity and work.

01:32:53.480 Two words that should never go together.

01:32:55.480 Like women and opinions.

01:32:57.480 I want a burly man.

01:32:58.480 They're salty and make me dizzy.

01:33:00.480 Sorry, just need to find a thingy to fix my gaming chair.

01:33:03.480 When I was on the construction site, my chair was a five-gallon bucket.

01:33:08.480 It was also my toilet.

01:33:14.480 Hey, I'm done.

01:33:15.480 I'm going back to bed.

01:33:16.480 Thanks a lot.

01:33:17.480 Thanks a lot.

01:33:21.480 All right.

01:33:22.480 It's coming out this spring.

01:33:23.480 Go register at the Daily Wire Plus now and you will be able to watch all the episodes.

01:33:27.480 What did you guys think of the trailer?

01:33:29.480 That looks awesome.

01:33:30.480 Congrats.

01:33:31.480 Have you seen the final product yet, Megan?

01:33:33.480 No, I've seen bits and pieces.

01:33:36.480 So you do the voiceover.

01:33:38.480 Back in my old days as an actor, I did a little bit of voiceover work.

01:33:42.480 Yeah.

01:33:43.480 And it's so crazy, like, you know, a couple months later or whenever it is and then you

01:33:47.480 see it.

01:33:48.480 It's a very weird experience.

01:33:50.480 Like there's your voice in this character.

01:33:52.480 And that's so cool.

01:33:53.480 That must have been a lot.

01:33:54.480 It must have been a blast.

01:33:55.480 It was so fun.

01:33:56.480 And so, you know, we kind of just tape the audio and then they marry it together with

01:34:00.480 the other actors, air quotes for those listening, audio.

01:34:05.480 And then they put it together with the amazing, you know, pictures and graphics that the, that

01:34:10.480 the cartoonists, that the artists are doing.

01:34:12.480 My character is Wendy.

01:34:14.480 She's married to Adam, uh, Burcham.

01:34:16.480 And, uh, she's like, she's definitely a lefty, unlike yours truly.

01:34:21.480 And I, her, one of her best friends is Candace Owens' character.

01:34:25.480 And so she and I have some scenes together.

01:34:27.480 The whole thing is so fun.

01:34:28.480 You guys, I have to tell you, I, I really just did this because Adam asked me to, and

01:34:31.480 I love Adam, but I, I was like, I, this is not my thing.

01:34:34.480 Like I'm usually pretty good at knowing what my thing is.

01:34:37.480 They're like, just try it.

01:34:38.480 Just try it.

01:34:39.480 It was so fun.

01:34:40.480 It was so fun.

01:34:41.480 Stu.

01:34:42.480 I was like, I cracked up.

01:34:43.480 I was crying when I saw the scripts and I saw like the other guys parts, that guy,

01:34:48.480 Kyle Dunnigan, who plays my son, he just had a small clip.

01:34:51.480 There is one of the funniest people I've ever heard.

01:34:54.480 All these guys, a Tyler Fisher, the one who was like the super woke DEI guy who is like

01:35:00.480 apologizing for his white cis heteronormative stuff.

01:35:03.480 Anyway, there's so much goodness for our side, you know, like a side of normalcy that doesn't

01:35:07.480 get offended at everything.

01:35:09.480 It's just refreshing to be a part of something like that.

01:35:12.480 And there's such fertile ground for it too.

01:35:14.480 I mean, that's just sounds amazing.

01:35:15.480 You got a great, you could tell an all-star cast there and you know, there's such fertile

01:35:20.480 ground, so much room that the people on the left who would normally do this, like they

01:35:25.480 would be the people making fun of all the craziness in our society.

01:35:27.480 They've abandoned this ground and it's important for conservatives to actually be active in

01:35:32.480 this ground.

01:35:33.480 I know Daily Wire is doing a good job with this.

01:35:34.480 We're doing a lot of this at the blaze as well.

01:35:36.480 And it's one of those situations where the best part about it is not that we're being

01:35:41.480 active in this world is that we're getting people who don't suck to do it.

01:35:45.480 Adam Carolla is legitimately funny.

01:35:47.480 I don't care who you are.

01:35:48.480 He's been successful before woke was a thing.

01:35:52.480 He's always been really funny.

01:35:54.480 You bring someone like that in there with obviously a really talented cast.

01:35:58.480 Yeah, Roseanne, right?

01:35:59.480 Like someone who's a legendary comedian.

01:36:01.480 And you put these people together.

01:36:03.480 I mean, some of the voices in there, they're all recognizable for the most part.

01:36:07.480 So I mean, just it's really cool that this is happening.

01:36:10.480 And I feel like, you know, maybe this is the way this stuff finally gets turned around.

01:36:14.480 If I can just throw one thing in, though, that one piece of the puzzle that we don't have yet

01:36:18.480 that I think that we need is the development of talent.

01:36:21.480 Young actors, screenwriters, these talented people that the left completely owns all of

01:36:28.480 the places that they go to school, all of the places where they learn their craft.

01:36:31.480 So, you know, it's good to have these top line projects.

01:36:34.480 But I think conservatives need to do a better job developing this talent.

01:36:38.480 And Megan, I just wanted to say, you know, break a leg tonight.

01:36:41.480 You're going to be great, kid.

01:36:42.480 And yeah, thank you.

01:36:44.480 Thanks, guys.

01:36:45.480 Great to have you.

01:36:46.480 Thanks for coming on.

01:36:47.480 Don't forget the GOP debate is tonight at 8 p.m.

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Haley vs. DeSantis, and Trump's ＂Dictator＂ Comment Freakout, with Chris Stirewalt, Stu Burguiere, and Dave Marcus ｜ Ep. 680

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