Harris Agrees to Interview...with Walz, and ＂Dangerous＂ Speech Crackdown, with Maureen Callahan, Laurence Fox, and Calvin Robinson ｜ Ep. 863
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Summary
Kamala Harris and Tim Walz are finally getting their first primetime interview, and it's sure to be a night to remember. But will it be enough to get them back on the same page? Plus, Maureen Callahan gives us a preview of what's to come.
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We like to walk that fine line between techno-thriller
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Live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.
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Vice President Kamala Harris will give a primetime interview tonight.
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for what promises to be a very hard-hitting cross-examination.
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that's going to be posted to the campaign's YouTube this evening.
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you're even more disgusting than we thought you were.
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Meantime, CNN keeps bringing on Harris campaign reps
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we did an in-depth interview with Maureen on her book,
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You work hard to support yourself and your family,
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but it may seem like you're taking a step back every month
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When the bills are higher than what you bring in every month,
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you have to swipe that credit card to cover the difference,
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it costs nothing to find out how much you can save.
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All it takes is a quick call to American Financing,
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you may be able to delay two mortgage payments.
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of what we're going to be treated to this evening,
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Governor Walz missed a call from the vice president
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because he doesn't answer numbers he doesn't recognize,
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It's that joy and laughter you saw in that video
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He's waiting for a call within a certain time frame
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who would be happy to lob softball after softball
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But the way that they are keeping her obscured,
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Yes, yes, I said this to my husband the other day.
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what her most consequential Supreme Court decision was.
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Kamala is famous for not doing the work, right?
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I think 90% of her staff since she took office.
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in what was a celebrity apprentice-like elimination round.
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And all I could think when I saw this last night was
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He apparently called, and I didn't see the call
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because it went straight to voicemail or something.
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for 30 seconds, just let me have this conversation.
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The president hears him and says, put him on the phone.
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Now, I didn't see Jason Johnson over on MSNBC saying,
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Anti-Israel protesters are going to be bussing in
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How much coverage of this will we actually see?
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Right, exactly, like they have anything to fear
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So Washington Post was happy to do that story then.
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I haven't seen anything about what a bully she is since then.
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I've only seen her presented as this champion of women
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Doesn't matter how you treat women on your staff.
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and you were the perfect person to talk about this with.
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and what her sort of surface appearance represents
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is meant to make everybody sort of feel better about themselves.
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whether it's a corporation or just their own staff like that,
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typically do so because they know deep down they don't have the goods.
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People never operate at their best when they're afraid.
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I have a theory about what really binds Biden and Kamala.
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And you saw it with Biden in the lead up to that first debate.
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They had this sort of soundbite where he was saying to Trump,
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You know, that Clint Eastwood, like, ancient thing with his aviators on,
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So I think that deep down Biden and Kamala both know that they're frauds,
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until the game of musical chairs left them alone with the final chair.
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And it's why she won't sit down with anyone until the 11th hour.
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She's probably going to do it, I'm going to guess,
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on 60 minutes after she gets to handpick who's going to interview her.
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who, if we recall the interview she did with Trump,
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just refused to acknowledge some of the truths of what he was saying.
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And I just, it's so disheartening for this election.
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This is the fate of democracy rests in the voters' hands.
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This election, one of my favorite tells in the past,
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And when I talk to them about the possibility of a second Trump term,
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and they were trying to reconcile themselves to the fact that he was going to lose.
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You know, maybe we just have to deal with the fact that he's going down
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and we'll just get through one more term of Trump.
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Now that they have a shot again, it's existential threat.
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All the women are going to lose all their rights.
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But I want to pick up on what you said about her being a phony.
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So, and by the way, the reason I draw the Meghan Markle analogy is because you and I have been
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talking for months about how all of her staff quits.
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We just had another major staffer from who'd worked for Meghan and Harry for three months
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Both of these women happen to be mixed race and happen to have gotten far in life based on,
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in part, this need to anoint people of certain demographics because it makes people feel good.
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Now we've got to celebrate Meghan Markle as a champion of women.
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Because she's mixed race and she married a prince.
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So back to Kamala and her fraud, her fraudster nature.
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She decides to celebrate the same I called Tim Wald story that the Trump campaign had already come out
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She's like, oh, that's going to be our special moment too.
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Then it reminded me of something that happened earlier that's now come back to haunt her.
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And that is her appearance on the Jimmy Fallon show.
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When she told this story, this made the rounds not long ago.
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She told this story about what it was like being raised, by the way, by Marxists.
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You get that energy from your parents or the thought of, hey, I have to fight for what's
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And I mean, when were you out there protesting?
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And in fact, my mother used to have a very funny story, but I was fussing and she said,
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It was a much cuter story when she would tell it, but that's the story.
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And also when Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. told it, because it's his, she stole it.
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She stole it when she put it in her, the preface to her 2010 book, Smart on Crime.
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She stole it when she told it to Elle magazine and sharp eyed readers noticed the uncanny
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similarities in that story to the one that MLK told during a January 1965 interview with
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He recalled a moment he witnessed between a young black girl and a white police officer
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not involving Kamala Harris, by the way, where he says, I will never forget a moment in Birmingham
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when a white police officer accused, accosted a little Negro girl, quoting here, seven or
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eight years old, who was walking in a demonstration with her mother.
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And the little girl looked at him straight in the eye and answered, feed him.
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It reminds me of that Seinfeld episode where Elaine's boss, Jay Peterman, buys all of Kramer's
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best stories for his memoir because he has nothing of his own to offer.
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He really doesn't have a weird idiosyncratic mind.
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And this is really, I mean, it's funny to laugh about it, but this is somebody who lacks
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a single original thought, a single story that she feels is reflective of who she is and how
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If she can't offer that, what kind of original vision can she offer?
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I mean, if we're really going to free ourselves from the shackles of this gerontocracy, Biden
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It was at Nate Silver who was talking about, you know, age limits for presidents, which I think
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You know, let's talk about then what is the vision of potentially the first Jan X president?
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By the way, I do think it's interesting over the past couple of days and previously on this
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show, I have acknowledged what you just said, that Trump is showing his age at times and
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that he really needs to be reined in on the rambling because right now he needs a tight
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message and he needs to hammer it over and over and over the way he did in 16.
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Those comments that I made the other day, I say something about Kamala, which I do all the
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That can't possibly be true, but all of it's true.
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It's amazing how they run cover for her and then anything negative that comes out of we
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truth tellers in the world, they blow it up into a multi-day story.
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It's just it's such evidence of their disgusting bias.
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These same media frauds would never dream of criticizing their own side because they only
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It's the same thing they just went through with Joe Biden.
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They spent years running cover for Joe Biden, right?
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How many times did we hear, oh, this is the best Joe Biden, quoting Joe Scarborough, the
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sharpest, the most mentally acute, you should see him behind closed doors.
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His 20-something staffers can't keep up with him.
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Then we see this debate where nobody can tell us what we have seen is not what we have seen.
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And suddenly the media turns and is trying to flush him out.
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Now they're doing the exact same thing with Kamala, the exact same thing.
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Instead of holding her feet to the fire and making her prosecute her case, if this former
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prosecutor cannot prosecute her case as to why she should be the next president and not
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She hasn't been held to account on any of her flip flops.
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And I will say Nikki Haley had an interesting proposal on Fox the other day for Trump saying,
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you should not accept these attempted reversals by her campaign spokespeople via written statement
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until she comes out and makes clear she's reversing all of her policy prescriptions,
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That was said directly to Aaron Burnett on CNN at a CNN town hall.
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Go ahead and Google it, which did include getting rid of private health insurance
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and making us all go on the government Medicare program.
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That's right there on tape repeatedly, which did include softer border policies
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and pulling away from enforcement and not prosecuting illegals and not deporting any illegals
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and health insurance for illegal all those things that she had pushed.
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But now she wants us to believe she's tough on the border.
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She's releasing ads purporting to be tough on the border.
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These the new policy reversals, other than to call out her emptiness, should be ignored.
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She is on record and we should proceed accordingly.
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I'm not sure if we have it, but if we do, we'll pull it.
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Stand by the Sarah Palin moment that you and I referenced a moment ago.
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When it comes to establishing your worldview, I was curious, what newspapers and magazines
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did you regularly read before you were tapped for this to stay informed and to understand the world?
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I read most of them, again, with a great appreciation for the press, for the media.
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What ones specifically, I'm curious, that you read?
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I read all of them, any of them that have been in front of me over all these years.
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I have a vast variety of sources where we get our news to.
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And actually, watching that back, you know, Tina Fey, as Sarah Palin, had so much sway that election cycle.
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I wonder, will Saturday Night Live go after Kamala and Tim?
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You know, all of it is just, there was something else you said that I wanted to circle back to, and I forget what it was.
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What were you talking about at the top of that?
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Oh, the Kamala thing, where she said, I'm against fracking, I'm against red meat, and I'm against private health insurance.
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That CNN question, it was, she was asked the question, would you be, the way it was framed was sort of, would you be against, sort of teeing her up to say no?
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And she would just offhandedly say, no, yeah, I'm for that, I'm for that, I'm for that.
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There was no sort of logical, cogent thought process that she could articulate that could tell us how she got to that point.
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One of her lackeys, one of the DNC's lackeys, Claire McCaskill, on MSNBC the other day, told us that we should all just wait, it's all going to be fine.
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Her campaign, not Kamala, her campaign is going to outline her policies on the website for all of us to read.
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So, again, telling us we should not be waiting with bated breath to hear Kamala tell us, in her own words, extemporaneously, what her policies will be and how she will enact them.
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That's the thing, it's like, Trump is definitely showing signs of age, she's showing signs of idiocy, which is a bigger problem.
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Like, why aren't, and I don't care, people are like, oh, they shouldn't attack her as stupid, she does seem stupid to me, I will attack her as stupid, that's my prerogative.
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Trump can do whatever the hell he wants, but she seems dumb, and I'm not afraid to say it, show me otherwise.
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I have seen a person who can memorize lines to deliver in a debate, but I have not seen a person who can speak extemporaneously in any depth about any issue of substance.
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So I was thinking about this this morning, in advance of speaking to you about this, and I've been thinking for a while, Kamala reminds me of nobody so much as Chauncey Gardner.
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And for any of your audience who may not be familiar, this was a very famous comic novel that came out in 1971 by Jersey Kaczynski, it was called Being There.
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And it's about a guy who is just sort of, through luck and circumstance, plucked into the halls of power.
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And he says very little, and he sort of speaks in inanities, but because this is so original to them, they take him as an oracle.
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And he winds up being considered for vice president of the United States.
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It turns out the truth about Chauncey Gardner is that he's a mentally impaired dude who got everything he ever learned from watching TV.
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She's been elevated within the Democrat Party after, again, being raised by Marxists and in circles that are Marxist, who funded her, who helped her become DA.
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Now she wants to be, oh, I'm tough on the border.
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I'm going to be super tough on the border because she's citing back to when she was DA in San Francisco and she had to prosecute some gang members.
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She wasn't prosecuting them for anything having to do with illegally crossing the border.
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If a drug crime popped up that was bad enough, she would prosecute.
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She was not some border crackdown nut as San Francisco DA.
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And then she got tapped by Joe Biden because he promised Jim Clyburn he would pick a black woman.
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When she was running, she said the most leftist things possible.
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She did not get the nomination because the Democrat Party of 20 was not that far left.
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And now she's trying to both pretend she's become a more moderate.
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She wants to say Joe Biden like candidate, even though he became leftist because his staff is and that's who was running the presidency.
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And at the same time, according to Axios, distancing herself from all of his policies.
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Like I I'm different than he is on the economy.
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I'm the same as just fill in the blanks in your head and all the things that bother you about him.
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I'm my own woman and I'm going to do it totally different.
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And for those of you who are far left, progressive Marxists, I'm that, too.
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And not speaking to anybody allows this imaginary experiment to work.
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I don't know what campaign strategist would ever say.
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So another thing I wanted to mention to you, it's a little bit of a wild theory, but I have this theory that Donald Trump is laying low and having sort of these reported freak outs that we've been hearing about, about running against Kamala and debating her.
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But I actually think he might be sort of rope-a-doping her in the Muhammad Ali style, allowing her to luxuriate in this warm bath of toothless media coverage that is anointing her as the second coming.
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Not since Barack Obama have we been so impassioned by a candidate, so elevated and lifted up.
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And I think once she gets on that debate stage, she's going to be taken very far back on her heels because she will not have any of the warning signs that a regular candidate gets to make them into a warrior when they take that debate stage.
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No, it doesn't sound crazy, but I I don't know if I agree with it because, you know, I did go back and watch that debate she had with Mike Pence last Friday.
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I mean, I have to I'm not her fan, but I have to admit she did it.
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I didn't want to vote for her, but she handled her own.
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You know, she unlike Joe Biden, she can remember her rehearsed little bits and deliver them because she's still relatively young.
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You know, she's not smart, but she can memorize.
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And she was smart enough to realize this is where I insert the answer on Trump's tax cuts.
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This is where I insert my answer on, you know, whatever women's rights.
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He'd have to get her off her heels like you'd have to actually engage in a real debate with her.
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And there's a real question about whether ABC will let that happen, Maureen.
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Dana Walden, who is at the top of the ABC power structure now, reportedly is going to take over for Iger, is literally her best friend or one of them.
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She Kamala Harris said that Dana Walden, it's a woman, is responsible for her marriage to Kamala's husband.
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So you tell me how hard these ABC News journalists whose instincts are to go left anyway.
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We saw that ABC News reporter with Trump at the National Association of Black Journalists.
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So you have these rabid Trump haters coupled with people who answer to a woman who's one of Kamala's best friends, creating a really tough environment for Trump.
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I mean, you would hope that those journalists would want to prove their impartiality.
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I mean, for me, one of the easiest questions that Trump can level towards her that she would have a hard time answering, I think, is regarding Joe Biden's health.
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Either you were so far out of the loop and doing nothing of consequence that you were insulated from this, which was visible to anybody, or you did know this entire time and you were also running cover for what is essentially a figurehead.
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And to a second point that you brought up, again, if she can memorize and sort of take her cues and know when to talk about a certain proposal in a debate and stand her ground, that's great.
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But yet again, are we just electing another figurehead of the Democrat Party and not an actual president?
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It feels like Kamala is their next useful idiot.
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Yes, yes, I know it's I don't have high hopes for the debate.
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I hope that the moderators actually ask her some tough questions.
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I mean, that would just be such a dereliction of duty that I think they'll understand for their own reputations.
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You know, you've really got to torque it up at a debate and ask your A-plus level difficulty question to these guys.
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It's not that hard if you are, you know, an honest broker, which these people aren't.
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I don't know what's happening with the debates we have the ABC one agreed to for September 10th.
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It seems like Kamala Harris is going to agree to the NBC one, but not the Fox one, which is such a cop out.
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And J.D. Vance, on the other hand, has agreed to two vice presidential debates.
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And I think Tim Waltz is saying he'll do one, but hasn't committed to the other.
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Now, it would be unusual to have more than one vice presidential debate, but why not?
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Like, let's see these, you know, this guy who loves all the adoring crowds.
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And he's, you know, your dad, your Midwestern dad.
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Why wouldn't dad sit down with such a young gentlemanly man and give him a few life lessons in front of America?
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So do you think these debates, maybe five, maybe two, maybe three total are going to matter because early voting is about to start?
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I know the early voting thing is what really frightens me.
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I think, you know, this is in the way that, you know, when we were all watching that debate in June and I was texting with friends of mine and one of them said, this looks, this feels fatal.
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And I think that we are all now so engaged in this in a way that we haven't been before.
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And the Dems knew, yes, by switching out Biden, they would change the narrative.
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I mean, it's wild considering that the New York Post reported, credibly, that Obama was pissed that Biden essentially handed her the nomination because he thinks she can't win.
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And say what you want about Barack Obama, but he's pretty smart when it comes to this stuff.
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And I think he knows, despite, again, this media tongue bath, it's an evanescent thing.
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And I think that's why these debates are so important and people will be paying attention because the mainstream media is not doing its job right now.
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I mean, I listen to your show and I laugh a lot, but I'm also just so incredibly frustrated by what's become of the Fourth Estate.
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I know we always laugh when we do the news, but then I wind up feeling like there's this great, great comedian.
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He performs at the Comedy Cellar, among other places in and around New York.
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And we saw him back when Trump was running in 16.
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He did this very funny bit on Trump and his bit went as follows, something along the lines of, and I love the way Trump talks, you know, like we're going to get rid of Obamacare.
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And he's like, okay, yeah, get rid of Obamacare, right?
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And then I think to myself, why don't I feel good?
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I mean, Charles C.W. Cook at National Review had a piece out today, has saying something to the effect of no one gives a shit about anything.
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They're just going to elect based on personality.
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They don't seem to care about more than these stupid vibes, a word we're all sick of.
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They sort of see them as figureheads for, you know, whatever their imagined goals are.
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We're not going to have a country anymore because the border's open.
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There's going to be no more reproductive rights ever.
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They're just going to say, I like her and I don't like him or vice versa.
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And I'm just going to say anecdotally, living in New York.
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So my brother and sister-in-law live in a really nice part of Brooklyn, clean, residential, family-oriented.
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Three miles away is Floyd Bennett Field, which has been turned into a shelter for migrants.
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My sister-in-law was telling me that she was gathering items to donate to the local Catholic church, had left them out in the front yard while she went to grab something else, came back and found a ton of migrants pawing through her stuff in her yard.
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And I think this is the kind of stuff, whether it's the migrant crisis, whether it's the soft on crime policies that see these hardened criminals turfed out of the system back on the street, whether it's reproductive rights, whatever.
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Whether it's foreign policy, the world on fire, I have no idea what Kamala Harris wants to do vis-a-vis Russia, Iran, China, Israel.
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I think maybe for a segment of sort of the chattering class, it feels like it's going to be reduced to a cult of personality election.
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And I do take Charles's point, but I do think that for most hardworking Americans, these things really do matter.
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There is a bit the Charlie Kirk's group put together.
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They went and started interviewing like these pro Kamala rally goers, turning point, and try to get a feel for what is it you love about her?
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Today, we're trying to find out from the attendees what Kamala Harris' greatest accomplishment has been a VP.
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So becoming, just becoming the VP is the best accomplishment?
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What is Kamala's like top accomplishment, you think?
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Her top, her top, um, like contributions to policy or policy as VP.
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I wasn't in on the policy making decisions with President Biden.
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See, I wish they would tell us more about that because I honestly don't know.
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It's like that old tonight show skit where like you would just ask average Americans,
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They have no idea, you know, like what the first amendment says.
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But I think that to that last, the last part of that clip where that woman says, I wish
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The media has a lot to answer for in regards to that.
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Here's the border ad I've been mentioning that she puts out.
00:39:52.400
Like, I mean, honestly, she's trying to be John Wayne now down at the border.
00:39:58.080
Kamala Harris has spent decades fighting violent crime.
00:40:02.260
As a border state prosecutor, she took on drug cartels and jailed gang members for smuggling
00:40:10.540
As vice president, she backed the toughest border control bill in decades.
00:40:14.960
And as president, she will hire thousands more border agents and crack down on fentanyl and
00:40:32.080
That is so misrepresentative of what she's actually done as the borders are, as the person
00:40:41.000
She's like, I was responsible for the root causes.
00:40:43.120
I funneled some money to these, you know, these countries down south to try to get them to
00:40:48.540
have better jobs down there so that they wouldn't come to America.
00:40:53.000
First of all, no one wants our money going down there.
00:40:58.280
But like you failed your whatever you tried to do.
00:41:04.340
So I really don't want to hear about you sending our money to get jobs in these third world
00:41:13.820
And second of all, just the dishonesty of it, Maureen, the dishonesty of it when we've
00:41:19.020
had record influx of illegal immigrants on her watch to try to sell us this nonsense is
00:41:30.380
It's Trump gets pummeled all the time for not saying things that are true, like he went
00:41:34.240
down in a helicopter with Willie Brown, but then he didn't really.
00:41:42.580
I mean, remember, Megan, she wasn't the borders are, but this ad seems to imply that she was
00:41:49.480
But then the bulk of the media told us that she, in fact, was never the borders are and
00:41:57.120
So it's understandable if one's head is spinning.
00:42:01.400
I just read a report that the migrant crisis has already cost New York City $5 billion.
00:42:07.820
And that's just the beginning of what it's going to cost as these migrants continue to come
00:42:15.180
in, as the city can no longer absorb them, as our own mayor is saying, we can't take anymore.
00:42:22.160
Like, we have to rethink our our position as a sanctuary city.
00:42:26.920
And again, like this ad is so boilerplate and it's such bullshit.
00:42:32.200
I don't think anybody really thinks that Kamala Harris wants to do anything about the border
00:42:39.920
As Trump's been pointing out now, she literally sits 10 steps away from the oval.
00:42:45.840
She's had this secret border enforcement plan all along.
00:42:48.260
She just couldn't get it through the old man who's incompetent and not even speaking
00:42:53.160
God bless them, because they're actually one of the few out there that are trying to do
00:42:59.000
They fact checked her ad and said basically what I just said, that her implication, she
00:43:03.880
was directly involved in border cartel cases, appears to stretch the truth.
00:43:08.120
Claims about her jailing gang members for cross-border smuggling also seem inflated while she did
00:43:14.960
These cases mostly involved local drug offenses rather than international smuggling operations.
00:43:26.160
And by the way, you know, when you take a look at like the border and her foreign policy
00:43:37.820
She's never submitted ideas for how to handle foreign policy.
00:43:41.200
And she has bragged that when it came to our disastrous Afghanistan withdrawal, she was
00:43:48.080
She insisted on it and she was the last one in the room.
00:43:51.280
Tell it to the Taliban who are now literally in the streets, Maureen, parading the billions
00:43:58.360
of dollars worth of equipment we left behind on this, the three year anniversary.
00:44:05.040
Look, these are Taliban fighters parading American weapons and tanks through the streets three
00:44:11.440
years after the disastrous withdrawal for whom for which no one was fired and no one
00:44:18.060
And she's still on record as saying she was the last person in the room bragging that she
00:44:25.020
You know, it's like Biden always saying he was the last person in the room with Obama
00:44:32.640
and Biden being the only advisor who told Obama going after bin Laden, he shouldn't do
00:44:40.060
it by who's who three days after the Afghanistan withdrawal.
00:44:45.640
We all saw that horrific imagery of those poor boys clinging to our fighter planes falling
00:44:52.620
from the sky, callously saying when he was asked about that disaster.
00:45:02.100
I don't think we see half of what we see on the world stage without our inglorious, feckless
00:45:11.320
I don't know that we see Russia dating Ukraine.
00:45:13.660
I don't know that we see Hamas executing October 7th.
00:45:17.060
I think the world's leaders are very much hoping for a Kamala Harris presidency.
00:45:22.620
I think our enemies are very much hoping for a Kamala Harris presidency for these reasons.
00:45:29.720
You've got it was seven billion dollars worth of military equipment left behind seven billion.
00:45:35.800
And now on the anniversary of our pullout, they rub it in our face.
00:45:43.760
Um, you mentioned, you know, the international conflict and you mentioned earlier the Israel
00:45:49.720
conflict and they're not going to get away with a drama free convention just because she
00:45:56.920
selected Tim Walz and we're already seeing that she's been heckled at a couple of events
00:46:01.740
by these pro Hamas, pro Palestinian protesters.
00:46:05.540
And just last night in New York at an event that apparently wrongly suggested Kamala and Tim
00:46:12.260
Wallace were going to be there, but they weren't, uh, governor Hochul was there and, uh, the mayor
00:46:17.540
of New York city was there. These pro Palestinian protesters showed up in droves and caused mayhem.
00:46:54.540
This is insane. I mean, like for the listening audience, it was absolute pandemonium.
00:47:04.820
They were outside of a restaurant in Harlem called bird in hand again, because there had been a
00:47:11.400
suggestion that Kamala and Tim Walz were going to be there. They wound up getting stuck with mayor
00:47:16.160
Eric Adams and governor Hochul and the burden hand owner, Brian, uh, Bella Cita gave the New York
00:47:23.800
post an interview saying a handful of people from the community swung by for an informal dinner after
00:47:27.820
the rally that these Dems were at. And he suspects some of the protesters followed them to the
00:47:32.120
restaurant. He credited cops for their quick action and his staff, he estimated damages to the
00:47:37.100
restaurant's outdoor seating area, at least a few thousand bucks. It's my flowers that took the
00:47:41.240
worst of the beating. He said myself and my business partner were both born and bred New Yorkers.
00:47:45.200
We're for everybody. I don't know what the target or intention was based around this,
00:47:50.560
but it makes no sense to me. Meanwhile, they are outside graffitiing police cars with free Gaza.
00:47:57.920
Over a dozen people were taken into custody. The stunned patrons were looking on. The cops were
00:48:03.600
taking rebel rosers into custody. The crowd circled the police. You heard the whistles, the sound,
00:48:07.680
smoke bombs. This is just today event in Harlem. Maureen, this isn't the Democratic National
00:48:14.300
Convention. And their party is more fractured than their joyful messaging next week is going to lead
00:48:20.440
us to believe. 100 percent. And it's such a dereliction of leaders on the left. You know,
00:48:28.480
this is I really feel like this is such a moral crisis. Those images from D.C. a few weeks ago
00:48:34.380
with, you know, with, you know, right outside Union Station, all of that graffiti and someone hanging the
00:48:40.960
Palestinian flag and, you know, cheering on Hamas, which is a terrorist organization that would murder
00:48:51.120
90 percent of the people agitating for them because they are sexually fluid, whatever.
00:49:00.300
It this is such a moral crisis. And I think it is so, again, weak and convenient of the left to try to
00:49:08.720
pretend this isn't even happening. I mean, I really wonder where the big voices are on this, where the
00:49:17.580
Clintons are, where the Obamas are, why we hear this deafening silence over what I think is is is the is
00:49:26.520
the moral issue of our time. Yeah. And they just reelected Ilhan Omar in Minnesota.
00:49:35.320
Yeah, his favorite politician. He's on record whenever whenever he thinks about Ilhan Omar being
00:49:40.820
in office, he smiles. She just got reelected because the Democratic Party has an enormous
00:49:46.460
faction that is becoming more and more radicalized by the day. What's happening in London could happen
00:49:54.660
here. We're going to tackle that after Maureen. But first, Maureen stays with us. We're going to get
00:49:59.520
to, among other news today, Matthew Perry. And Maureen's been on before talking about his death.
00:50:06.120
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while you're there, too. Maureen, a couple things that I want to get to with you before we get to
00:50:55.520
Matthew Perry, which news is breaking in right this second as the indictments are being announced and
00:51:01.000
the names are being read aloud. The Bulwark, this anti-Trump publication, they were born to resist
00:51:08.860
Trump. This is like part of the resistance. And this woman, Mona Charia, has a piece out today
00:51:16.300
entitled The Man Child vs. The Man's Man. The Man Child vs. The Man's Man. And guess who The Man's
00:51:25.740
Man is? It's Tim Walz. And let me just give you a little flavor for what she posits. If Harris becomes
00:51:34.380
the first woman president, her first accomplishment could well have already happened, elevating and
00:51:38.800
honoring the positive side of masculinity. He's a man's man without being a strutting jackass. I don't
00:51:46.740
know if any of this factored into Harris's calculations, but a good male role model is an excellent foil
00:51:52.140
for the swaggering, snarling, cartoonish version of masculinity on offer from the Republican Party right
00:51:59.240
now. Trump's masculinity bears none of the hallmarks of manly virtue, restraint, honor, service to others,
00:52:06.840
responsibility or self-sacrifice. Instead, he offers braggadocio, put downs, disrespect for women
00:52:13.420
and vulgarity. I mean, it's amazing to me already because it's like, what about what, what are some
00:52:18.860
other hallmarks of what a man's man looks like? What a harm hallmark of masculinity is? How about
00:52:24.340
strength? How about courage? How about the willingness to fight for others when under extreme
00:52:30.720
threat and pressure? All of which Trump has showed. How about kindness to those around you,
00:52:34.480
your family, kids in the golf store, as I mentioned with our own family friend recently down at Mar-a-Lago?
00:52:40.740
Does any of that count for what a man actually is? Mona? How about intelligence, by the way?
00:52:46.840
Doesn't sound like she's all that familiar with that. She goes on. Like Trump and the alt-right figures he
00:52:52.900
surrounds himself with, J.D. Vance does nothing to encourage men to be their best selves, but instead
00:52:57.900
spews contempt for women. He's a father. He's married to a professional woman who's double clerk for the
00:53:03.400
Supreme Court. She's no dummy. She's a practicing attorney, but I guess he hates women and he hates
00:53:07.660
working women, according to her. In the face of this brutalist version of masculinity, the Democratic
00:53:12.900
Party is now honoring a different kind of man in walls. And now here's where you really need to
00:53:17.760
brace yourself, my friend. Okay, brace yourself, Maureen. As the Atlantic put it, dad is on the ballot.
00:53:26.540
She goes on. Harris's selection of walls gave rise to a whole genre of warm dad memes. Tim Walls just
00:53:35.240
slipped me a 20 on my way out the door because you never know if someplace doesn't take credit cards.
00:53:41.560
I'm not done. Another posted that Walls would take care of the wasp's nest for you. Still another muse
00:53:49.700
that Tim Walls beeps at you at a red light, motions for you to put your window down and tells you that
00:53:56.060
your right rear tire could use some air. And then finally this. As romance writer and editor
00:54:02.300
Jennifer Prokop put it, in all seriousness, I think there are a lot of us who hope our dads
00:54:08.400
would have ended up a lot more like Tim Walls than J.D. Vance if it wasn't for Fox News. And maybe that's
00:54:15.680
why he makes us feel the way we do. Tim Walls may be the father figure the Democratic Party
00:54:21.760
and the country needs. What do you make of that hot take?
00:54:28.000
It sounds like romanticy. We just met this guy. Like, would you buy me dinner first?
00:54:34.100
What is this? Also, if this guy is the ultimate in masculinity delivered to us by Kamala Harris,
00:54:45.600
what do we call screwing the nanny and getting her pregnant in your first marriage?
00:54:51.840
Is she the person that we're going to rely upon as like a proper evaluator of like healthy masculinity?
00:55:01.580
There were reports that broke, I want to say like a week ago or maybe over the weekend,
00:55:06.120
that in fact, she knew nothing about this, about the first marriage and why it really broke up.
00:55:12.300
And the nanny and the baby and whatever happened to the baby. So this is this is really,
00:55:19.140
really, really embarrassing. This woman is in dire need of an editor that would tell her to just back
00:55:25.460
up a little bit. But, you know, it's it's not surprising to me. These Democrats do seem like
00:55:30.440
they're in need of a daddy. Like they they do seem like somebody didn't do their job when they were being
00:55:35.680
raised at home. Not the normal Democrats, but the ones who are fetishizing him and who we see in
00:55:41.160
these TikTok videos, they do seem to need some sort of an authority figure in their life. They're the
00:55:46.000
ones who were completely bowing down to the mask mandates. They love authority. They want government
00:55:51.460
censorship. It does seem to continue a theme for me that I see in this increasingly leftist party.
00:56:00.800
I don't know. It's like. It's a disturbing strain because the Democrats that we grew up with were
00:56:07.380
normal, but more liberal. These Democrats seem unwell and in search of something that no politician can
00:56:15.560
ever provide. It's so true. That's such a great observation. I hadn't thought of it that way.
00:56:21.760
This sort of. You know, as as a liberal, as the left has become, you know, in sort of agitating for
00:56:29.700
the things that historically they were against, such as, you know, mandates and censorship, this kind of
00:56:36.680
stuff. Yes, there is sort of, you know, there's a sort of truism in American politics that you are sort of
00:56:42.760
electing like a father for the country. I mean, we call them the founding fathers, you know, or would we be
00:56:48.920
electing a mother? I don't really know. But you wonder in the in the search for this sort of sense of a
00:56:55.700
paternal figure who has a warm, steady hand of authority and judiciousness. Would that be the
00:57:03.900
kind of dad who would stop you on the way out your door to go protest for Hamas and say, no,
00:57:12.680
we need to have a conversation at the dinner table?
00:57:16.680
Hmm. A couple of things I want to get to. An update now on the debates just hit.
00:57:21.980
So the Harris team is saying they'll do the one debate with ABC on September 10th.
00:57:30.600
Then on October 1st, they'll do the one CBS debate between the vice presidential candidates.
00:57:37.360
And then we'll have the opportunity to see Harris and Trump on the stage again in October.
00:57:45.140
They don't use the word debate on that line. If team Trump actually shows up at those first two,
00:57:52.860
the big swing and D's that both sides are trying to do, like I scheduled 40 debates. You'll be there
00:57:58.100
unless you're a chicken shit. Like the other side's like, I scheduled 42. But, you know,
00:58:02.560
they're totally different dates and different networks than yours. Whatever. Right now we have
00:58:06.060
one on ABC on September 10th, then the VP and 10 one. And maybe there'll be a third. I mean,
00:58:11.860
a third debate overall, a second debate between Harris and Trump, though I doubt it. I have two
00:58:18.480
other things I need to get to with you. This thing about Matthew Perry is crazy. Stand by. But
00:58:22.680
first, I want to spend a minute on RFKJ. RFKJ. Yes. I read the book. Everyone should read the book
00:58:31.920
because you want to talk about, you know, toxic masculinity. You will find some examples
00:58:37.380
in all the Kennedys, nevermind RFKJ and his first wife, which we can talk about. But the latest
00:58:43.760
today is that he is pitching himself to team Harris for a cabinet job. We know he already was talking
00:58:52.000
to team Trump about a cabinet job saying, I'll drop out and endorse you if you make me part of
00:58:56.980
your cabinet. Now he's doing that to Harris, begging them to make him part of her cabinet
00:59:03.100
in exchange for him dropping out. Meanwhile, all of his support has collapsed since she became the
00:59:08.460
nominee. Whatever disaffected Democrats that are out there that wanted to vote for him are now voting
00:59:13.100
for team Harris. And apparently he's going hat in hand to her, according to WAPO and asking if he can
00:59:18.880
be a part of her campaign. I can't, Maureen, this guy like the flip flops that he doesn't even know
00:59:27.500
whether he wants to be in a Dem administration or I mean, I guess maybe you could say that's good.
00:59:31.540
He's nonpartisan, like he'll work for anybody. But what do you make of the latest on him?
00:59:36.800
Oh, this is so sad because his campaign manager, who is his daughter-in-law, told, I don't know
00:59:43.320
whether it was WAPO or what outlet, but I read it this morning that they have been trying to meet
00:59:48.040
with Harris and they're getting stonewalled. Like they can't get their phone calls returned.
00:59:53.540
And I think he is just so in need of some sort of validation as a political player. He would go
01:00:00.400
whichever way the wind blows. You know, I'm surprised he hasn't yet dropped out, but sort
01:00:06.440
of not because he really is going to need that hit of attention. And the news cycle has been just so
01:00:12.600
like we all have whiplash, you know, every day it's something else. But it sort of does feel like
01:00:18.420
the proper shambolic, dissolute end to a campaign that really never should have been.
01:00:26.300
Mm hmm. It's it's done. I mean, it's done. He he's basically conceding he can't win a vote for him
01:00:32.420
at this point looks like an utter waste of one's vote. And honestly, like I'm all for bipartisanship.
01:00:37.740
And I've disclosed to the audience that I have voted both Democrat and Republican in my voting
01:00:42.680
adult life. But this is just too like you you're running for president. You got to know what you
01:00:47.420
stand for. You must know what you stand for and you must know what your party is. That's kind of
01:00:52.560
one of the basic things. All right, let's get to Perry because this is huge. A bunch of people are
01:00:59.180
indicted or being indicted today in connection with Matthew Perry's death from ketamine usage,
01:01:07.120
an overdose. This is a drug that they're giving more and more. You're only supposed to do this,
01:01:13.680
if at all, under controlled settings with a doctor, you know, an MD who can monitor you.
01:01:19.960
It is being used with some success to treat depression. I know people who have tried this,
01:01:24.960
so I don't mean to crap all over ketamine. But for people who are using it to find their way out of
01:01:31.540
abuse of drugs already, it seems problematic. And it certainly was for Matthew Perry,
01:01:37.080
who died of an overdose. And now today the news breaking, they're reading the indictments at this
01:01:43.940
moment. Indictment filed in federal court detailing grand jury charges against Jasveen Sangra, who
01:01:51.760
prosecutors said was known as the ketamine queen and Salvador Placencia, known as Dr. P. Ms. Sangra
01:02:00.620
maintained a quote stash house in North Hollywood, said the indictment. Dr. Placencia, a physician at
01:02:08.500
an urgent care center was among those who worked to get the ketamine to Mr. Perry. This is like not
01:02:15.440
under his supervision because the authorities already said he had a ketamine infusion, I think a
01:02:19.500
week and a half. Yeah. A week and a half before his death. And that those people were not responsible.
01:02:23.540
That was apparently under a doctor's care, but it only stays in your bloodstream for a few hours.
01:02:28.360
So they're not, they weren't, aren't blaming those people. This is a different set of
01:02:31.460
alleged ne'er-do-wells who were funneling him the drug on the side and illegally.
01:02:36.240
The charges against them include, include conspiracy to distribute ketamine,
01:02:40.200
distribution of ketamine resulting in death, possession with intent to distribute methamphetamine
01:02:44.940
and altering and falsifying records related to a federal investigation.
01:02:48.720
Mr. Perry's personal assistant, Kenneth Iwamasa, another doctor, Mark Chavez and Eric Fleming and
01:02:56.540
acquaintance of Mr. Perry's were all charged separately with counts, including conspiracy
01:03:01.380
to distribute ketamine. According to a person with knowledge of the situation, it was granted
01:03:04.920
anonymity to discuss the ongoing investigation. Again, it's 1 12 PM right now. They're announcing
01:03:09.500
these charges at this moment. Some of those involved include or used encrypted messaging apps
01:03:15.780
and coded language to discuss drug deals, including referring to bottles of ketamine as Dr. Pepper,
01:03:23.240
cans and bots, according to court documents. And then listen to this Maureen in a text message.
01:03:28.120
Prosecutors say Dr. Plasencia discussed with Mr. Chavez, how much to charge Mr. Perry writing quote,
01:03:35.300
I wonder how much this moron will pay. And then quote, let's find out. Finally,
01:03:42.760
U S attorney Martin Estrada following Mr. Perry's death in October of last year, law enforcement,
01:03:48.260
my office and our partners represented on this stage began an in-depth, wide ranging investigation.
01:03:53.100
That investigation has revealed a broad underground criminal network responsible for
01:03:56.680
distributing large quantities of ketamine and Mr. Perry and others. This network included a living
01:04:01.080
assistant, various go-betweens to medical doctors and a major source of drug supply known as quote,
01:04:08.380
the ketamine queen. We charge five defendants in this matter. These defendants took advantage of
01:04:12.980
Mr. Perry's addiction issues to enrich themselves. What disgusting pigs, especially these so-called
01:04:24.320
doctors who knew exactly what they were doing. And as those text messages reveal,
01:04:29.800
if proven in court and true, show an utter callous, reckless disregard for human life.
01:04:40.400
Yeah. Yeah. For anyone who would say, Oh, well, only, only justice would be done in the case of a rich,
01:04:48.260
famous person, you know, America's first friend to die. You know, this is clearly a major drug ring
01:04:55.740
at work that they have busted. And that is a good thing. The ketamine stuff is just so crazy. It's such
01:05:02.700
a dangerous drug. And they knew from the beginning when they did the autopsy, that there was no way,
01:05:09.060
as you, as you mentioned, that it had happened in that controlled setting because of the amount that
01:05:13.960
was found in his system. And if I recall correctly, I also remember reading that when the cops did show
01:05:20.180
up, like the scene had been cleaned up, it seemed to imply that drugs and drug paraphernalia had been
01:05:27.260
removed. It's a sad story all the way around. It's enraging. And, you know, I also find it just
01:05:35.780
really sad on the whole. We now know that when Perry was doing his book tour, you know, extolling his
01:05:43.220
sobriety and how hard one it was and how he finally got there and how he just wanted to be in service to
01:05:50.200
those who were struggling with their own addictions, that it was all just a lie. I mean, front to back,
01:05:56.020
this thing is just one huge human tragedy. All I can think is, you know, I've got young kids and
01:06:04.420
people will say like, like two of them were in a play this year and people say, oh, you know,
01:06:09.160
they're so good. Or there's someone's so-and-so did such a good job. You can sit, you know, they,
01:06:12.940
they should act like you should try them out. I'm like, hell no, they can do the school plays if they
01:06:20.440
want, but child acting is just a gateway into young adult acting, which is what Matthew Perry was when
01:06:30.000
he got the role on friends. They all were in their young twenties. And honestly, it's like, why don't
01:06:34.960
you just skip all of that and go directly to heroin? Just if you want to take absolutely reckless risks
01:06:40.460
with your life, just skip all that and go directly to heroin. And then you won't have to deal with the
01:06:45.160
depression of being rejected over and over like you are in Hollywood. I just, I'm not, I'm not
01:06:49.900
blaming Hollywood entirely Maureen, but I mean, we've seen this over and over. Look what happened to
01:06:54.260
Michael Jackson. You know, look what happened to Marilyn Monroe. It's just, there's just such a pattern
01:06:58.720
of these corrupt, disgusting industries, killing people in effect, killing them. And the people
01:07:07.280
who are the weakest and the most tender do not survive. They don't. And you know, it's very,
01:07:13.740
what you just said about your children, the same thing with my niece, you know, she's been scouted to
01:07:18.720
model. And my brother said point blank, I would never do that to her. Yeah. What we, what also is
01:07:25.320
aside from just the pervasiveness of, of the rejection and the toll it takes is whenever we
01:07:30.760
look at any of these former child stars who are gone completely off the rails, I always think what
01:07:36.620
happened to them, who got to them, what predator was allowed to abuse that child in the service of
01:07:45.280
a parent's vicarious need for wealth and fame. It's again, it is, it is a, it is a savage, savage
01:07:53.600
business. I agree with you a hundred percent. And these doctors in the Perry case, these are,
01:07:58.140
these are another Conrad Murray, the guy who was hooking Michael Jackson up to the machine
01:08:02.800
with the, um, the propofol night after night. I mean, that's, there are some doctors for hire,
01:08:09.140
you know, who will just abuse their medical license and hurt people. Again, we'll see. I'm
01:08:13.900
sure they deny these allegations and we'll get their denials eventually, but this is as an alleged in
01:08:18.320
indictment. Here's just a little bit more, um, saying, hold on. The investigation revealed that
01:08:25.440
in the fall of 2023, Mr. Perry fell back into addiction and these defendants took advantage
01:08:29.660
to profit for themselves. Placen, Placenia was a medical doctor. He worked with another medical
01:08:35.600
doctor, Mark Chavez to obtain ketamine. He worked with Mr. Perry's assistant, defend Kenneth Iwamasa
01:08:41.520
to distribute the ketamine to Perry over two months from September to October, 23. They distributed
01:08:46.580
approximately 20 vials of ketamine to Perry in exchange for $55,000 in cash. As a doctor,
01:08:52.220
defendant, uh, Placenia knew full well the danger of what he was doing. In fact, on one occasion,
01:08:58.120
he injected Mr. Perry. Oh, so he was injecting him with ketamine and he saw Mr. Perry freeze up
01:09:03.500
and his blood pressure spike. Despite that, he left additional vials of ketamine for defendant
01:09:10.860
Iwamasa to administer to Perry. I'm so glad they're being charged. This is
01:09:16.580
this is so disgusting and irresponsible. And to your point at the top of this discussion,
01:09:22.500
which is the best one you, you, that has been said. Um, now how about the others? How about
01:09:29.800
people who are not rich, not famous and not beloved by millions of Americans because they played an,
01:09:36.300
a nice character on TV? Where's, where are the arrests of the people who ruined their lives?
01:09:43.320
Because they are just as much of addicts as Matthew Perry and their deaths will be ignored.
01:09:50.240
Maureen, there will not be indictments of those around them who fostered their death and their,
01:09:56.680
No, you can't imagine the LAPD marshalling resources for someone who didn't have the means
01:10:03.240
or the fame or whose death didn't come as such a tectonic shock, even though we all knew it was a
01:10:08.960
long time coming as Matthew Perry. There's just no way. And you know, that what you were talking
01:10:17.160
about the doctors, you know, there's this whole subterranean network of doctors like this in the
01:10:23.620
music industry. They call them rock docs. They're for hire, they're for sale. They'll get you whatever
01:10:28.940
drug you want in whatever quantities you want, as long as the money is good enough. And I think
01:10:35.460
that these doctors should be made a complete example of, of course, their medical licenses
01:10:40.140
will be stripped. They should be thrown in prison among a community that they have are only too happy
01:10:47.000
to service. Um, it's going to be very interesting to watch this play out. And what's going to be more
01:10:52.320
interesting. I always thought when Matthew Perry died, that this was such bullshit because you can't
01:10:57.740
tell me that every single person who worked on friends had no idea that this guy was under heavy,
01:11:05.760
heavy addiction issues, that this guy wasn't showing up late, that he was unreliable, that he
01:11:12.160
couldn't remember his lines, that things were off. I think everybody knew. And that show was such a cash
01:11:18.540
cow that they did whatever they had to do to cover it up. So everybody kind of has blood on their hands
01:11:24.820
here. Yeah. I think about it with my sister because my sister was like a normal housewife
01:11:33.800
and teacher living in Virginia and a doctor back during what would we now know is the beginning of
01:11:41.580
the opioid crisis prescribed her an opioid. It wasn't one of the most common ones. I'll refrain from
01:11:47.940
saying its name. I don't want to get sued, but, um, and said it was non-addictive and it was not
01:11:55.280
non-addictive. I mean, we've seen, everybody's seen dope sick. Now they were saying that about,
01:11:59.280
about, you know, actual opiates and about, um, what's, why am I forgetting the drug in there in
01:12:06.040
that, uh, show in any event, um, about the most addictive opioids they were trying to say in the
01:12:11.200
beginning, they're not addictive. So with my sister, she took this drug because she was having
01:12:16.200
pain. It was a long story, but she thought it was going to be a temporary bridge out of the pain
01:12:19.980
and she got addicted. And truly Maureen, it was the beginning of the end of my sister's life.
01:12:25.480
Um, it just caused so many problems to this person who is not a drinker, not a drug seeker,
01:12:31.540
not in any way. Like you just would never have pegged her for somebody who could get addicted
01:12:36.220
to opioids. And those doctors have never been held responsible. That drug is still on the market
01:12:42.680
and, and people still take it. And so I see these stories and I'm, I am triggered by them because I
01:12:49.400
understand like these, these doctors are in a different class, you know, the Perry doctors,
01:12:53.180
but there is a whole host of doctors that push these opioids on millions of unsuspecting Americans
01:12:59.260
and ruined lives, literally ended lives and ruined other lives on top of it,
01:13:04.540
who have never been held accountable. And it was one of the reasons why I was thrilled to see that
01:13:09.040
whole Sackler bankruptcy plan fall apart because they were trying to get out of ever being charged
01:13:14.960
themselves, um, as you know, with criminals, with crimes. And this judge said, we're not allowing
01:13:20.820
that. We don't care. We're not allowing this settlement in this bankruptcy court. We're not
01:13:24.040
going to absolve you of anything. There's just never going to be full accountability for the amount
01:13:28.380
of damage done. This is a teaspoon in the ocean, but it's at least a teaspoon.
01:13:32.880
Yeah. I'm so, I'm so sorry for what happened to your sister. And it's, I think it's all too common.
01:13:40.240
I mean, I remember before going in for a surgery, like 10 years ago, they sent me up to a pain clinic
01:13:47.820
in upper New York. They couldn't shove enough drugs at me. I said, I don't want all these drugs.
01:13:55.280
You know, they couldn't give me enough. Luckily for me, I'm one of the rare people,
01:13:59.740
like my brain receptors don't attach to opioids. God forbid they did. Everybody knows what they're
01:14:06.200
doing. This is an entire like medical industrial complex that, that revolves around the profitability
01:14:12.180
of these drugs. And they do not care about the human carnage. And what happened to your sister? I
01:14:18.120
mean, those prescribing doctors should have been held criminally responsible for that.
01:14:22.760
And the company and the drug company itself and the company, it, it never has been. And by the way,
01:14:29.300
it was Oxycontin, not her drug, but that's the drug I was struggling to remember. Right.
01:14:33.580
Oxycontin that same, when I had my three kids, I had C-sections and every time they're like,
01:14:39.120
you want some oxycodone or hydrocodone? I'm like, I think I'm good with just a couple of Tylenol.
01:14:44.980
And indeed I was, I was fine with that, but boy, that wasn't that long ago. You know, my youngest
01:14:49.640
was born in 13. They were still prescribing this stuff like it was candy. And this is one of,
01:14:55.920
this is an ongoing problem because now a lot of people are still receiving drugs like that,
01:15:01.100
especially people like you and me, right? They don't look at us and say, drug addict,
01:15:05.360
we can give her 30 pills. Well, you know what happens if you take that and then you take two of
01:15:09.960
them and you get through your C-section pain, then you'll have 28 pills sitting in your medicine
01:15:14.600
cabinet. And what happens is somebody's kid comes over, especially when you get to the college years,
01:15:19.600
they go through the medicine cabinets, they rob you of the drugs, they take the drugs,
01:15:23.980
they wind up in the wrong hands, they get laced with something, they wind up killing somebody.
01:15:29.020
It's, there's all sorts of programs. Now I've, I've interviewed people, but you can check with
01:15:33.160
your local firehouse. Some, some firehouses will have like one day a month or every couple of months
01:15:38.560
where they accept back those pills. So, cause you know, they say, don't flush them down the
01:15:43.540
toilet. Don't, you don't want to like bury them in the yard. You don't know what to do with them.
01:15:46.280
Right. It's like, I don't want to take them. I don't want to flush them. I don't know. I don't
01:15:48.360
know. I just put them in the garbage. They went up in a landfill. What happens to get in the water
01:15:51.900
supply. So you should look into it because that's another way that people can be hurt, especially
01:15:55.900
young, young people. What a, what a way to end the discussion, but Maureen, as always thoughtful,
01:16:02.080
insightful. I love talking to you. Thanks for being here.
01:16:04.980
I love talking to you so much. Thank you, Megan.
01:16:07.240
Wow. Love to hear your stories. I'm sure you guys have some, I'm sure you have stories just
01:16:13.140
like the story with my sister. Um, I think that's what the Matthew Perry thing brings up for me.
01:16:18.660
You know, it's not to say he's to be excused. He was an addict. He was breaking the law and breaking
01:16:24.060
himself, but there is a cast of characters around most addicts that just goes under the radar.
01:16:31.340
They get away with it and they hurt person after person. And I'm thrilled to see some of those
01:16:36.940
people being held accountable or at least an attempt at it in these indictments, which again,
01:16:42.840
are just allegations. We'll hear their side soon. We'll be back with Lawrence Fox and Calvin Robinson
01:16:48.480
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01:16:53.840
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01:18:02.440
There is a crisis enveloping the West at this moment, and perhaps nowhere is it more evident
01:18:07.040
than in the UK. For weeks, chaos has ruled the day there as anger boils over concerning
01:18:12.120
immigration and what some view as the government handling foreigners with kid gloves to the detriment
01:18:17.360
of its own people. In reality, this is an issue that has been brewing for years, and it's not just
01:18:22.720
in the UK. It came to a head on July 29th over there when three little girls at a Taylor Swift
01:18:29.260
themed dance party were murdered in Southport. Within hours, a woman on social media claimed the killer
01:18:36.420
was an asylum seeker who was on a terror watch list. She went on to say, if this is true,
01:18:42.700
then all hell is about to break loose. It was not true. And in fact, police said as much the very
01:18:48.960
same day, the day of the killings. The suspect, in fact, was born in Britain to parents who were
01:18:54.720
immigrants from Rwanda. Still, the news spread like wildfire and protests quickly erupted. Some
01:19:01.940
of the protesters likely knew that the killer was not an illegal immigrant, but that wasn't the point.
01:19:06.600
They were angry. They were angry about the influx of immigrants to their country and the changing
01:19:12.180
culture and dangers that they brought with them. By week's end, protests would break out across the
01:19:19.380
UK. Among those involved, far right and far left groups, race baiters, and some everyday Brits who
01:19:26.140
are just fed up. We witnessed rioters storm a hotel that had been used by asylum seekers. The video's
01:19:31.780
hard to watch. You see them throw items at cops, set things on fire. No regard for others there.
01:19:37.440
A bin set on fire by rioters with little regard for anyone inside the hotel. A police force at times
01:19:51.520
appearing outnumbered. The new British prime minister, Keir Starmer, would warn the rioters that
01:19:58.900
they would feel the full force of the law, but he specifically named one group in particular.
01:20:03.980
I'm shy away from calling it what it is. Far right thuggery. To those who feel targeted because of the
01:20:14.600
color of your skin or your faith, I know how frightening this must be. I want you to know
01:20:23.800
that this violent mob do not represent our country. Very concerned about the far right thugs. Thing is,
01:20:32.280
it wasn't just far right thugs. As evidenced by this video taken the very next day in Plymouth,
01:21:03.180
you get the you get the gist of it and there are pro-palestinian protesters out there and so on
01:21:20.220
a sky news reporter's live shot was interrupted by pro-palestinian protesters in birmingham
01:21:25.060
so bad was the interruption sky news had to quickly drop the shot
01:21:28.540
community leaders have been speaking to the police as well because
01:21:33.200
i think apologies for the language you're hearing but a sense of the anger i think you can hear
01:21:42.940
yeah katie i think we becky i apologize we need to um leave you there and uh um becky um we'll have
01:21:52.420
security there and uh um we will leave that and i apologize once again uh for the language there
01:22:00.480
that reporter did need security because she later said that a man brandishing a knife
01:22:07.820
stabbed the tire of their news ban nearby another video tweeted out by andy no he no he's been on
01:22:14.180
our show many times appeared to show a palestinian group attacking a white man at a pub and kicking
01:22:52.320
And yet across the board, headline after headline,
01:23:06.400
seems to focus almost entirely on the far right agitators. Some of whom, yes, behaved very badly
01:23:14.080
and they deserve to be punished. But they're not the only ones. In fact, a local labor counselor
01:23:19.340
was filmed in London and he described those on the right as Nazi fascists before suggesting
01:23:44.420
So why is the messaging all about the right wing thugs, right?
01:23:49.840
That particular guy was later arrested. But meantime, British authorities are warning via X.
01:23:55.960
Anyone, anyone who incites violence or hatred, even exclusively online, could be prosecuted
01:24:02.600
and prosecuted. They have been over 1000 people arrested so far, nearly 600 charged.
01:24:07.920
More than 120 of them have had their court cases fast tracked and are already getting lengthy jail
01:24:13.940
sentences. Among them, a man who, yes, posted something vile, but did not even take part
01:24:20.340
in any violence. In the end, the truth is, this is all part of a much bigger conflict that's been
01:24:26.420
brewing now for years. And it is one that people like Douglas Murray have been warning about for years.
01:24:33.020
I mean, there's a real spiral they could be in at the moment. And it's happening in Britain at the
01:24:38.420
moment where, you know, unfettered immigration, mass immigration, illegal migration and legal
01:24:47.200
migration have been at historic highs. And societies that were high trust societies have become
01:24:53.480
very low trust societies. And societies that were very coherent, including in my own life,
01:24:59.680
have become or are becoming really wildly incoherent societies. Well, there's very little,
01:25:06.360
increasingly little that's binding them together. Very, very worrying and very dangerous.
01:25:11.800
And we have seen recently with things like the atrocity of this terrible young man who went and
01:25:19.740
stabbed these young girls. The public mood is febrile, febrile. And there have been demonstrations
01:25:26.540
and even things that, you know, we do not see often in Britain burning of police stations by very angry
01:25:32.720
mobs. And then I just see today, you know, a Muslim group, you know, sort of doing like a boundary
01:25:40.900
policing thing in their area of chanting Allah Akbar. And I defend the mosque sort of thing. I mean,
01:25:46.300
so the way in which things can go wrong. And the reason I wrote The Strange Death of Europe and the
01:25:51.120
reason I banged on about this for years beforehand was I said, it is so obvious what is going to
01:25:55.240
happen. And it gives me, I was so angry watching it when it could have been stopped.
01:26:02.420
Hmm. And now Douglas Murray is also hashtag part of the problem. How dare he point out the obvious
01:26:11.140
that people are sick and tired of having their culture and their religion ridiculed and mocked.
01:26:18.200
They're tired of losing out on jobs to migrants who refuse to take on the culture to the melting pot
01:26:27.260
over there. No, it's not happening. And it's not happening here anymore either. They're tired of
01:26:32.480
being told that they and their ancestors are terrible because of the color of their skin.
01:26:36.900
They're tired of being told they can't speak freely by the very people who are supposed to be in the
01:26:41.540
business of protecting free speech, a very tenuous concept in the UK. Now, none of this absolves the
01:26:48.220
bad actors, bad behavior, but the reality is the West has a serious problem, deadly serious.
01:26:54.940
Joining me now, Lawrence Fox and father Calvin Robinson, co-host of Fox and father Lawrence
01:27:00.240
Calvin. Welcome back to the show. This is about as bad as it gets. And literally every word Douglas
01:27:05.380
Murray has said about it has been proven out. It's been true. And yet you've got people who now treat
01:27:13.000
him as also someone who'd be, who should be treated like a criminal. So now things seem to have settled
01:27:19.320
slightly in the UK in the past few days, but where are things right now?
01:27:26.920
The riots have stopped for the short term because the population has been gaslit.
01:27:30.900
So the government kept trying to look for an enemy, try to look for a boogeyman and they blamed the
01:27:35.940
far right. I mean, there isn't a far right in Britain. So what was happening was that ordinary
01:27:40.240
British folk were getting upset, getting angry, getting frustrated and protesting. And some of the
01:27:46.580
protests turned into riots. And so the government tried to blame it on the far right, which does
01:27:50.780
not exist. And so to retaliate the Antifa lot, you know, the anti-racist so-called lot, the Marxists
01:27:58.680
essentially came out and had a big protest of their own. And so the government picked this as a win,
01:28:04.300
a triumph for diversity. The far right has been defeated. And so for now, the riots have died down,
01:28:10.620
It's a sticking plaster on a major problem, which Douglas wrote in his book, The Strange Death of
01:28:17.280
Europe. He warned us of what was going to happen. We have a situation, an ideology or a religion,
01:28:23.260
whatever you see Islam as, is entirely antithetical to Western values of free speech and certainly
01:28:30.620
consent, sexual consent and stuff like this. And Douglas warned about this and what they've done,
01:28:36.440
especially Alistair Campbell and people like that, if they have turned on Douglas as the foremost
01:28:42.220
intellectual in this area. And Calvin's right. The riots have stopped for now, but it is a sticking
01:28:51.060
plaster on what is a much deeper ailment, Megan.
01:28:57.700
Alistair Campbell was Tony Blair's spin doctor who convinced us by the dodgy dossier that we needed
01:29:07.340
to join with America to invade Iraq and kill a million innocent Iraqi people. And he has suddenly
01:29:14.200
reinvented himself as a moral pitchfork in some way.
01:29:19.360
It's ironic that this man dragged us into an illegal war, but actually most of the problem is down to
01:29:24.140
him and Tony Blair. Alistair Campbell and Tony Blair, their government from 1997 are the ones that
01:29:29.020
really brought on mass immigration to this country. And it was part of their package that they said
01:29:34.300
anyone from the right, anyone from the center right who goes against our policy will call them
01:29:38.960
racist. And we have this on record that it's been the plan all along that anyone that goes against
01:29:43.500
diversity being our strength is a racist or a xenophobe. And this is why we've had over 20 years of
01:29:48.660
this now, of just mass immigration, people coming to our shores who do not share our values,
01:29:52.800
who do not share our culture. In fact, hate us, hate our way of life and want to kill us,
01:29:56.580
want to replace us. And anyone that speaks out against it has been labeled racist, which is why
01:30:01.140
these riots were happening. Actually, it wasn't anything to do with what it was something to do with
01:30:04.500
recent events, but it goes all the way back to 1997 and Tony Blair and Alistair Campbell.
01:30:10.280
The interview that we just showed with Douglas, in part with PragerU, is he's saying similar
01:30:16.240
things to what he's been saying for years now, what he's been writing for years now. And this
01:30:19.460
Alistair Campbell tweeted out in response to this most recent interview, think the Metro Police UK
01:30:25.100
might want to take a look at this book plug, meaning that interview that we just played the soundbite
01:30:31.160
from. He's trying to get the cops to consider arresting him. And Douglas Murray actually went
01:30:39.300
on Sky News Australia last night and responded in part and sought 44.
01:30:43.520
Of course, this man, Campbell, is best known for his lying dossier about WMD in Iraq, which helped
01:30:53.860
bounce Britain and other countries into the Iraq war. So if he had any kind of sense of decency,
01:30:59.300
he would have disappeared from public life a long time ago. He was also, of course, the person who
01:31:03.380
hounded Dr. David Kelly to suicide. And that's one of the really interesting things about Alistair
01:31:07.940
Campbell. He's an unbelievable bully and a hack. And one of the things about him, like most hacks
01:31:14.720
and bullies of his kind, he thinks that he can hide behind, as he always does, the claim that he
01:31:20.980
himself is very mentally fragile. One of the interesting things about that is he can chase
01:31:25.840
people like David Kelly to suicide. But if you criticise Alistair Campbell for his frequent bursts
01:31:31.420
of utter insanity, he says that you are using his mental health against him. He's a totally sick
01:31:37.680
individual on every possible level. I make no apology for pointing out the terrible things that
01:31:43.620
he and his friends did to my country. What's crazy, you guys, is like we're all experiencing this to
01:31:49.880
some degree together, where the people who speak up honestly about the problem get censored and in some
01:31:57.420
cases threatened. And in the UK, more and more, Lawrence, you've been a victim of this yourself,
01:32:08.420
It's very bad that we're in this position whereby we have a new prime minister who is
01:32:16.780
turning around and saying that your speech is more important than your actions. And we've seen in
01:32:22.380
London, certainly in London, we've seen reports of the complete mismanagement of actual crime
01:32:27.500
in our country. And at the same time, we've seen a real overreach when it comes to like thought crime
01:32:35.020
and speech crime. So, you know, there's that line which Victor Davis Hanson, who you're a huge fan of,
01:32:40.720
I'm a huge fan of, and everyone should be a huge fan of. He says, you know, from The Sun Also Rises
01:32:45.500
in Hemingway, which is you become bankrupt very slowly, and then very, very quickly. And that's what's
01:32:51.440
happened to the United Kingdom. It's unrecognizable. Calvin and I today were saying that last year,
01:32:56.520
I left this island where we are, we're in Greece. And I said, I don't want to go home. And today,
01:33:02.900
Calvin said to me, I'm dreading going home. Our country has fallen.
01:33:06.600
Yeah, I've been thinking about this for a while, Megan. I've been thinking, they keep addressing
01:33:10.340
the people who are addressing the problem instead of addressing the problem. And I thought it's
01:33:13.740
because they're incompetent. But actually, I realised it's because they are the problem. They are the
01:33:17.280
instigators of this mass immigration and this cultural diversity that is breaking our society
01:33:22.360
apart. And so they can't fix it, because they're the ones who've caused it. And so it's much easier
01:33:26.320
to clamp down on people like me, people like Lawrence, Douglas Murray, anyone who comments on
01:33:29.780
it and says there is an issue here. Just lock us up. You know, when Keir Starmer got into office just
01:33:35.020
over a month ago, he said, the prisons are full. We're going to have to release 40,000 prisoners.
01:33:40.040
Now, that's a scary prospect, especially considering that 80% of them are foreign-born,
01:33:44.340
we could just deport them tomorrow. But he said, we're going to have to deport, we're going to have
01:33:47.480
to let these people out of prison. They could be what? Rapists, murderers, anything. We're going
01:33:52.600
to let them out early, because there are 700 places left in our prisons. Now, fast forward to today,
01:33:57.440
six weeks later, and suddenly we're sending people, rushing people through the systems.
01:34:01.880
They're getting arrested, sent to court, charged, prosecuted, sent to prison for social media posts.
01:34:08.720
So we're letting proper criminals out of prison to make room for people who are saying the wrong
01:34:12.880
thing on Twitter. Make it make sense. It was, it reminded me of a stat. I just read it very
01:34:18.260
disturbing over here in our country. Of course, we have a completely open porous border and people
01:34:23.220
are coming in by the millions, literally by the millions under Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, and
01:34:27.700
a bright, bright side. They're being processed into citizens faster than ever. They've increased the
01:34:33.960
rate of pushing these people through the system so they can vote to levels that we haven't seen in
01:34:38.660
decades. And they're super proud of that fact. Um, I, I do want to talk about like, what specifically
01:34:44.700
is it? Because I read a great Douglas Murray piece in the spectator, um, dated eight 10 called the
01:34:50.180
unfashionable truth about the riots. And he was talking about these communities that have the same
01:34:55.500
unemployment rate today that they had some 13 years ago. Absolutely nothing has been done to help the
01:35:03.160
working class in the UK. And at the same time, the doors are open to all these illegal immigrants to
01:35:09.280
come in and they're getting jobs. So is it a joblessness problem or is it more of a cultural
01:35:16.120
problem where you have people from cultures, heavily Islamic who do not wish to assimilate,
01:35:22.200
who are taking over Britain? You see more burqas there than you might see, you know, on, on a,
01:35:28.580
in a Muslim nation, uh, in today's day and age in some cities. And so which, is it both? What is it?
01:35:35.260
It's a revenge problem now. So, so what you're hearing more and more from the left,
01:35:40.900
you know, Calvin is very conservative. I'm sort of more centrist, but you're hearing from the, um,
01:35:49.200
from the side, from that side, you're hearing you colonized us. This is our revenge. And what you,
01:35:57.040
what, what we're noting in Britain is that entire swathes of Britain are now totally unrecognizable
01:36:02.340
as British cities. Uh, certainly as I drive out of London, it's masks, it's called to prayer.
01:36:09.240
It's all of this. And America is going to face this too. So what we, what we're confronting is,
01:36:15.120
and I think that, that one of the main problems with, uh, British political discourse is nobody really
01:36:20.780
wants to talk about the elephant in the room, which is do Islamic values, are they, are they,
01:36:28.380
can they be compatible with Christian values of which Judeo-Christian society is built on,
01:36:32.920
or are they entirely antithetical to them? And I suppose that's a conversation we can have,
01:36:38.000
but we can't have that conversation while your border is open. We had a record number of, uh,
01:36:43.440
military-aged males arriving by themselves, 703 yesterday morning, arriving here. 703 men in a
01:36:51.000
generation becomes 40, uh, sorry, in two generations becomes 46,000 if, with the current reproductive rate
01:36:58.780
in the United Kingdom. We should, as a nation, be able to have a comment about that without being
01:37:04.400
called a racist. And I think that the riots that you're seeing and the, and the disorder you're seeing
01:37:10.040
is people are absolutely fed up for being called a racist while they can't get a doctor's appointment,
01:37:15.760
they can't see a dentist, and everybody who comes in, uh, illegally across our border is being given
01:37:21.640
a hotel room, free money, and a mobile phone. So there's two problems. So that is a major part of
01:37:26.260
the problem. The other side of that is that, so I used to be a teacher, right? I was an assistant
01:37:29.820
principal. I worked in schools for seven years. And all across that time in education, the government
01:37:34.740
would do anything to help any demographic except white working class. And white working class,
01:37:40.180
boys in particular, have been at the bottom of the league tables for over 20 years now. And that's
01:37:44.760
a problem because to address the joblessness issue that you just spoke about, we have no one to fill
01:37:49.920
those jobs. And so the government is saying, we need to bring people in from abroad because we're
01:37:53.720
going to address the GDP. We've got to get people doing all these manual labor jobs that our people
01:37:58.200
don't have the skills and talents that we need. And so we're having mass immigration to solve a
01:38:02.360
problem that is, again, created by the government who do not want to address white working class
01:38:06.440
as a demographic because to do so is racist. And diversity is all about helping minority groups,
01:38:11.900
even though Africans, Chinese students are at the top of the league tables. There's no oppression
01:38:17.580
in our education system on anybody's class or their working class roots. From the Murray piece that I
01:38:23.300
referenced, he says, similar to what you just said, from 2011 till today, all three main parties have
01:38:30.240
followed the same model on job creation, seemingly unable to actually improve education incentives
01:38:35.200
and job opportunities in these working class areas. They went for the easy route that was to
01:38:39.980
issue visas for migrants to come to the UK and to claim that the economy was growing as a result.
01:38:44.880
So he's suggesting there's a political motivation there. Of course, this growth, he writes, is almost
01:38:48.840
entirely faked. Study after study shows that this type of migration benefits the migrant naturally,
01:38:53.860
but does almost nothing to improve the actual economy. In fact, for many people,
01:38:57.800
it undercuts local labor and due to increased demand for housing and limited housing stock,
01:39:02.480
it makes their situation much worse. And he says at the time of the 2011 riots, because this happened,
01:39:09.100
you know, years ago as well, foreign born workers accounted for 14% of the UK workforce. Today,
01:39:14.960
it's at 21%. Employment has grown by 3.6 million since 2011, but fully 74% of this growth
01:39:24.260
is from immigrant workers. And so when the people rise up to say, we can't take it anymore, we've had
01:39:32.820
it. What they heard back from Keir Starmer was your racists and you're going to be arrested. Do I have
01:39:40.420
my facts right? Yes, absolutely. Enough is enough is what people are saying. And that's the economic
01:39:46.420
argument. So there aren't enough spaces in schools. Hospitals are overcrowded. People can't get jobs.
01:39:52.180
They're getting priced out. All of that is the economic argument that has been going on that I
01:39:55.980
think probably led to Brexit, to be honest with you. But now we've reached a worse point where
01:39:59.780
lives are being lost. And of course, three innocent girls lost their lives a couple of weeks ago,
01:40:04.700
and more people were seriously injured. And so this mass immigration is causing a problem that's
01:40:09.100
directly affecting people's lives, not just in the monetary sense, but in life and death situations.
01:40:14.660
But we're being sold this idea. It's the United Kingdom. We're being sold this idea that immigration,
01:40:21.080
diversity, all of this stuff is our strength. And the more and more economic studies come out,
01:40:25.800
we are finding that it's not British people, as you quite rightly pointed out. It's not
01:40:29.720
those people that were born here who pay taxes, who contribute to national wealth,
01:40:34.680
who are being looked after. Angela Rayner, the leader of the, oh God, she's not even in your position
01:40:40.220
now. She's the, she's actually, the government has turned around and said that she's going to
01:40:44.520
prioritise migrant families over British families when it comes to government funded housing.
01:40:51.060
And so what we're, what we're in a situation of is, we're talking about 30 million people here
01:40:57.780
are very, very, very upset. It's not a small number. So the government think that what they're
01:41:03.640
doing is stamping down on our necks and making us feel bad, but there's no economic argument for mass
01:41:08.900
migration and there's no cultural argument, mass migration. And that what there is, is a cultural
01:41:14.040
argument against both. And I think that people are very, very, very upset about this and that
01:41:19.160
Keir Starmer thinking that he's going to arrest everybody for saying herty words. Someone got
01:41:23.100
arrested for saying Allah, Allah, who the bleep is Allah. Someone was arrested. That's a blasphemy law
01:41:28.420
in the United Kingdom, which we do not have. So our culture is changing in a, in a, in a way,
01:41:33.700
which is so rapid and unprecedented, that people are worried to, to an absolutely deep level, aren't
01:41:41.780
they? And not also that we have no democratic means of changing it or making a difference. So
01:41:46.460
you spoke about how people are coming over the border in the States and being registered to
01:41:50.260
citizens so they can vote straight away. We have a similar situation. So we just had our
01:41:54.680
mayoral elections in London. The Mohammedan was elected for the third consecutive time, third
01:41:59.720
consecutive term. And we have no means of getting him out because white Brits are a minority
01:42:03.900
in the British capital city of London. So there's no way to get rid of these people.
01:42:07.980
The same with the Labour Party. In the last general election, the Labour Party got fewer
01:42:12.320
votes than they have in the last two elections that they've lost. But they still got in because
01:42:15.860
we've all given up on the Conservative Party. So what do we do? Where do we go? And so when
01:42:19.640
people don't have a democratic means to make a difference, they'll go to the streets. And this
01:42:23.180
is what we're seeing. And we're going to see more of it. But this morning was right.
01:42:25.820
But there are now coming, which I find hugely encouraging. There are a few Muslim voices
01:42:32.160
who are saying that we've got to be critical of our own religion and our own faith. And there
01:42:38.080
are coming forward now some Muslim voices who are saying, this needs to be looked at. We need
01:42:43.160
to talk about this. We can't just criticize Christian culture and all this sort of stuff. So I think
01:42:47.520
there is, I hope, a glimmer in the door because there isn't. There will be.
01:42:52.580
The question is whether that gains any sort of critical mass, which it hasn't thus far. This
01:42:56.540
is what this is another. Not that it's all about Douglas. I just our audience knows him.
01:43:00.520
But he was making this point. And it's one of the reasons they're trying to cancel him
01:43:04.820
from his position with the spectator and potentially get him arrested. But we played this the other
01:43:09.760
day. This is him in an interview back in a couple of years ago where he is saying if they
01:43:15.080
don't want to assimilate and they don't like this country, they should get out. This is just
01:43:20.020
last year. Take a listen. I don't want them to live here. I don't
01:43:25.100
want them here. They came under false pretenses. Many of them came illegally and continue to
01:43:31.820
come illegally. And we don't want them here. And I'm perfectly willing to say that because
01:43:36.960
it needs to be said. If I hated Australia, hated the Australian people, hated Australian history,
01:43:45.020
hated the Australian way of life, broke into the country illegally and spent my time trying to
01:43:50.000
undermine Australia, why should I be in Australia? Why? What would I have brought the country? What
01:43:56.700
benefit? What moral benefit? What financial benefit? What social benefit? The answer is you'd have
01:44:03.300
brought no benefit. So why, why just hope that those people are not in large enough numbers
01:44:11.540
and keep your fingers crossed and put it off for another day? I think we have to start saying very
01:44:17.680
clearly, if you don't like it here, go. And if you don't like it here and you intend to make it worse,
01:44:25.700
we will make you go. So is that, does that pretty much encapsulate the feeling of these people we're
01:44:34.740
seeing in the streets or just being dismissed as bigots? He makes a very good point, Douglas. And,
01:44:42.900
and, and this is the, the, the bit that everyone misses out of what he's saying is if it was Australians.
01:44:49.160
So what the left would like to do is make it about race, but we, we already have an economic problem,
01:44:56.140
which is you cannot bring a million people into a country with an already crumbling welfare state
01:45:00.860
and make it work. So the left will tell us that we're just as homophobic and racist, but actually
01:45:05.860
our country is already on its knees. So Douglas is right, but he's been saying this for years. And
01:45:12.100
also I think he's absolutely right. If you don't like our values, I, if I go to Morocco and I walk out of
01:45:18.120
the hotel door and I go and visit a local landmark, I'm, I cover my, you know, I take my shoes off and
01:45:24.160
I go into a mosque. Right. Which is, I wouldn't go to a mosque because I don't want to abide by their
01:45:28.140
culture. In this country, well, in the United Kingdom, by somewhere between 2013, 2050, it will
01:45:34.380
be predominantly Islamic. We'll have more Muslims than any other faith with current trajectories.
01:45:39.400
What J.D. Vance said. Right. This is a fact. But so therefore, if this is where the country's
01:45:43.160
heading, we should be allowed to have a conversation of, do we want to become an Islamic caliphate? Do we want
01:45:47.840
to remain a Christian country? Or do we want to be some kind of liberal secular society that we've
01:45:52.120
been dreaming of for the last 50 years? Which, which one do we want of the three and how do we
01:45:56.200
get there? But to have the conversation, to even raise the words Islam, Islamophobic straight away.
01:46:02.120
In fact, Megan, they're redefining Islamophobic in the Oxford English Dictionary. So it used to mean
01:46:07.100
an irrational fear of Islam. Of course, we, I would say there's nothing irrational about a fear of Islam,
01:46:11.840
but they've renamed it to a dislike of Islam. So I dislike Islam for many reasons. I think it's harmful
01:46:17.460
towards women, harmful towards homosexuals, harmful towards British values in Christian
01:46:21.340
society. Therefore, that would make me an Islamophobe. I mean, I think we're at the point
01:46:26.840
now where we have to accept their labels and just say, fine. I mean, that's how I am with
01:46:29.560
the transphobic stuff. Okay. You want to call me a turf? That's what I'm a turf. You want to call
01:46:33.540
me Islamophobic because I don't want my daughter to have to walk around in a burqa? Then I'm Islamic.
01:46:38.140
It's fine. Sick of their damn labels. This was something Christopher Hitchens predicted. This
01:46:43.980
clip has made the rounds, uh, since Keir Starmer is out there trying to shame all the protesters
01:46:50.120
into silence, um, where they, they split Christopher Hitchens's predictions and warnings about radical
01:46:57.320
Islam versus Keir Starmer today. Take a look at this up 42. Give it up or give it to your deadliest
01:47:06.460
enemy and pay for the rope that will choke you. This is very urgent business. Ladies and gentlemen,
01:47:13.120
I beseech you, resist it while you still can. And before the right to complain is taken
01:47:18.540
away from you, which will be the next thing you will be told you can't complain because
01:47:24.260
you're Islamophobic. The term is already being introduced into the culture as if it was an
01:47:30.600
accusation of race hatred, for example, or, or, or bigotry. Whereas it's only the objection
01:47:35.540
to the preachings of a very extreme and absolutist religion. So barbarians never take a city till
01:47:40.500
someone who holds the gates open for them. And it's your own preachers who will do it
01:47:45.140
for you and your own multicultural authorities who will do it for you. Resist, resist it while
01:47:50.720
you can. One of the things that is coming up over and over again, um, is Islamophobia.
01:47:56.760
And, well, you can see the stats, you can see the numbers rising, particularly since October
01:48:00.840
the 7th. Although we shouldn't fall into the trap of thinking that before October the 7th,
01:48:05.740
um, this was all heading in the right direction has been far too high for far too long. Clearly
01:48:10.940
we need to just say over and over again, um, Islamophobia is intolerable. Uh, it can never
01:48:16.980
ever be, uh, justified. And we have to continue with a zero tolerance approach. And I think there's
01:48:23.540
more we can do in government. There's certainly stuff online, which I think needs tackling.
01:48:27.540
It's very interesting that that clip, uh, of Chris Fitchin's was recorded in my friend,
01:48:40.140
Larry Taunton's, uh, meeting rooms in, in Britain. And, um, he and John Reynolds, the guy who's
01:48:48.240
speaking, uh, John Lennox, sorry, the guy who's sitting next to him is a really wonderful thinker
01:48:52.660
on this sort of stuff. And what Keir Starmer is doing is he's turning around and he's saying
01:48:57.120
dislike of any kind is somehow criminal. And I think it's totally okay to dislike things
01:49:02.880
that as Calvin said, you know, I dislike the idea of my, my, uh, a woman being covered. I
01:49:08.320
dislike the idea that the age of sexual consent is out the window. I dislike the fact that, um,
01:49:13.080
homosexuality, all the really genuinely progressive things that have happened in this society
01:49:17.140
are being thrown out of the window. And the only thing you're allowed to attack in the United
01:49:21.680
Kingdom is Christianity. Now that's not to say that Christianity is perfect and all of those
01:49:27.380
sorts of things, but why are we committing suicide? Douglas Murray said this in, in the strange death
01:49:32.720
of Europe, he said, we are not even on our own side anymore. And I think it's really important to
01:49:39.200
think, you know, we should be proud of the traditions of truly progressive traditions. Calvin would
01:49:44.060
disagree, but about the fact that we, we accept and acknowledge the fact that people are homosexual
01:49:48.600
and we, and we honor and respect and love them, but we are genuinely progressive. This regressive,
01:49:54.440
horrible, hateful ideology is taking place in our country. And what we have to do is take the knee
01:49:58.620
to it. I think that's absolutely appalling. Christopher Hitchens in that clip said, resist, resist while
01:50:05.080
you can. Now, I think the clip that you showed of Sakhir Starmer afterwards shows that it's too late
01:50:09.320
to resist actually. The progressives, the liberals have taken office. They are in government and they
01:50:15.700
are persecuting the oppressed minority who are the British people, the natives, the indigenous British
01:50:21.060
people who actually are Christian, whether culturally or religiously. And that is no longer appropriate,
01:50:25.540
no longer acceptable. And you cannot criticize any other faith that other than Christian. So it's too
01:50:30.480
late to resist by democratic means. So what comes next?
01:50:33.580
Certainly hope you're wrong about that. I want to pick up on something you said earlier, which is,
01:50:39.180
and where we started, which is, you know, the white working class in Great Britain, which has gotten the
01:50:42.620
shaft and no one gives a damn about what's happening with them. When they speak up, they'll be arrested.
01:50:46.860
They'll be called names by the prime minister and so on. It dovetails with the discussion we had. You guys
01:50:51.520
were not, we're not here as in our first hour with Maureen Callahan. And we were talking about the
01:50:55.640
coverage of our absurd presidential race here. There is a woman who wrote this piece in the
01:51:01.640
Bulwark, which is a magazine online publication dedicated to bringing down Trump. And this woman
01:51:08.020
is writing about how Trump's and his vice presidential candidate is a man child versus Tim
01:51:13.860
Walsh, the latest nominee for, you know, the V nominee for Kamala Harris's running mate, who's a
01:51:18.820
man's man. He's a man's man. Okay. And this is where I want to tie it together. So she's talking about
01:51:25.040
how Walsh is a good role male role model and Trump is not Trump is, uh, she thinks full of
01:51:31.920
braggadocio put downs and disrespect for women. And Tim Walsh is somehow not. He's all the things
01:51:40.220
we want in a man. He's your dad is what she's trying to say. And then here's how she tries to
01:51:44.740
bring it home. This is a leftist. Okay. Men are struggling in our society. Boys are falling behind
01:51:53.200
girls in grades and graduation rates. Men are falling behind women in college attendance,
01:51:57.440
participation in the labor force and connection to family and friends. Men are more likely than
01:52:01.780
women to be lonely and to succumb to deaths of despair. It's not a man's world anymore. Even if
01:52:07.260
some have been slow to notice boys and men are picking up the signals that there is something
01:52:12.020
inherently wrong with them. The word masculinity is hardly uttered in some precincts without the
01:52:18.660
modifier toxic. And then she goes on to blame it all on Trump and Republicans saying they need a guy
01:52:26.540
like this Tim Walsh to, to take them back to the promised land of hopefulness for boys and men.
01:52:34.300
This made my blood boil because it is uniformly the left that has done this to boys and men. And in
01:52:44.860
particular white working class boys and men over and over again. And for her to shrug her shoulders
01:52:52.440
and say, I just don't know. We were just having this cultural problem. And I think having Trump
01:52:57.860
out there as a representative of toxic masculinity is not going to help these boys at all is so blind
01:53:05.300
to the left's causal role in all of this. Nobody knows this better than you, Lawrence.
01:53:12.060
You and I have talked before many times about how you guys both got booted off of GB news,
01:53:17.740
a more conservative news outlet, or was supposed to be over in the UK. Why? Because you were trying
01:53:23.120
to defend what's happening with men and suicide rates over there against this caustic woman who
01:53:29.820
was refusing to acknowledge it. And you did it, not the queen's English. And you defended him, Calvin.
01:53:35.080
And both of you, before you knew it, were gone from GB. And I left GB voluntarily over that whole thing.
01:53:39.240
Um, so can you speak to just the blindness of the left in looking at this problem, whether it's guys
01:53:47.940
without jobs, guys without hope, guys without any thought that they could be respected in society
01:53:59.880
You, you were, you were an inspiration of mine because it's very difficult in life to, to, to reverse a position
01:54:09.960
and to look at things in a different way. And you, when you first started talking about the trans issue,
01:54:14.960
for example, you, you were, you were really high on inclusiveness, understanding and all that sort of stuff.
01:54:21.540
What we have had is there's a systematic attack on masculinity, full stop, because if you attack
01:54:28.040
masculinity, you destroy the family. If you destroy the family, you make the children available to be
01:54:32.200
dominated and indoctrinated by the state. The British state has already announced that it's going to teach
01:54:37.540
children about hate crimes, about what it is to hate. And we are actually witnessing a war
01:54:45.020
on the family and on people and on those that love each other across many different divides,
01:54:51.420
which was very progressive. And I am, Calvin is better on this than I am, but we should absolutely
01:54:58.760
stand as a bulwark against the fact that Keir Starmer, you've got, you've got this guy who's
01:55:03.880
pretending to be a vice president. He's pretending to be a moderate, um, VP pick who is trying to say
01:55:09.920
that the state can take, should take your child away. If your child wants to be, um, transitioned,
01:55:14.680
this, the, the man that lit Minneapolis, Minneapolis, sorry, be absolutely run riot and burned to the
01:55:22.060
ground. And he's now turning around and saying, leave me alone. These are, these, these are the
01:55:26.760
people that, these are machinery of socialism. They're, they're absolutely vile. Sorry, I'm not
01:55:32.700
good now. You speak. Yeah. Lawrence is spot on. I mean, we have, um, Keir Starmer saying that he's going
01:55:38.020
to teach children how to spot fake news in school and how to spot the far right. And of course, his
01:55:43.520
definition of the far right is very different to everyone else's definition of the far right,
01:55:47.080
it seems. So what he means by that is, is he's going to indoctrinate children in schools. He's
01:55:51.320
going to do it very overtly, but this is part of a wider problem in that we've handed children over
01:55:55.560
to the state. Children used to be the responsibility of parents. And now all of a sudden we get used to
01:56:00.820
handing them over to the state, get them taught, get them indoctrinated, get them back and expect them
01:56:06.200
to have high grades and be good people. It's the parent's job, the parent's responsibility to make
01:56:10.740
sure their kids are learning well and receiving good values. First and foremost, schools supplement
01:56:15.480
that. Schools do not replace that. We've got to get our mentality changed. In the UK, we don't have
01:56:19.840
homeschooling. We don't have home education in the way you guys do in the US. I think that what you're
01:56:24.740
doing out there with the home educating schemes are fantastic. These hubs of children getting together
01:56:29.240
with parents or with parishes to learn with respectable teachers and stuff, but under the guise of
01:56:35.320
their parents, under the guidance of their parents, not under the hammer of the state, because the state
01:56:39.840
cannot impose values on people. The state doesn't have a religion. The state doesn't have a set of
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values other than what we see. Power and control. Absolutely. And also we need to understand and
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everyone needs to remember that they work for us. Absolutely. And we've forgotten this. And I don't
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understand when we forgot it because I was raised by my father told me they work for you. And in
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whatever's happened in the last 20 years or 25 years, we've started to think that we work for them.
01:57:05.840
Right. And Keir Starmer thinks that he's doing us a favour by locking up people who say herty words.
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It goes to show that, and Victor Davis-Hunson also, sorry, Megan, to be annoying, but the other thing
01:57:17.460
that Victor Davis-Hunson says, which is really, really important, which is that white working class
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kids in America go to die and they're overly represented by 50% in their demographic of people
01:57:30.060
that go to die for their country. And they are told that they're full of white rage and that they're full of
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some big problem. And then, you know, Trump is some symptom, dreadful, sort of awful thing. It's like,
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no, we're not about ethnicity. We're about faith. We're about faith, not statism. And it boils down to
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the individual. So you don't even need to be a Christian to believe in the power ahead of the state.
01:57:53.420
That thing about Trump, though, it shows the left is so superficial. They look at him as a person rather than
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his policies or what he would bring. I find that even with people on the right, people say, how can you vote for,
01:58:02.380
how can you like Trump? You're a Christian. He's a very bad man. He's done this, that,
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and the other. And it's like, well, he's a politician. None of them are good men. In fact,
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none of them, you're not going to find a perfect politician. What you've got to find is someone
01:58:12.800
who will implement the policies that are in line with your values. And for me, that would be Donald
01:58:16.740
Trump, certainly over Kamala Harris. But then you look at these nice, I don't care how she wants to
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pronounce her name. You look at these people like Walls who like to put themselves as a perfect
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individual. And of course, we know there are lots of things that are repressed there.
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So Keir Starmer is another one. Looks well-polished, but he gets into office immediately. He's
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implemented communism in the first four weeks. So how someone appears isn't what matters. It's
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the policies they bring to the table. Right. And over here, it's just a guessing game on exactly
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how far left they'll take us. It passes prologue as far left as we've ever gone. I'll end on this.
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We've done a lot of Douglas. He did seem to offer a bit of hope, at least for America, which we'd love
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to have you guys over here. But you tell me whether you agree with this piece of his interview
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with PragerU. There is a deep, deep distrust among the political class in the UK about the British
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public. They really don't seem to like them. They're so eager to attack the general public
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and cover over for anything else. And I think it's just a lamentable and suicidal policy.
01:59:25.180
The saving grace in America is some kind of belief in the goodness of the American people.
01:59:30.760
And that's taken a beating. My goodness, the education system has done everything it can
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to bash the innate goodness out of the American people. And I think there is a feeling that despite
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the things happening from right and left and all the fears and confusion we're all living through,
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I do still think there is this thing that America is good and has been a force for good in the world
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and can be again. And give us the possibility that the 21st century will not be this dark age.
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If that happens, you know, the future really is ours. If it doesn't happen, the future belongs to
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goodness knows who. And if people, as I always say, if people think the era of American dominance was
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awful and, you know, oppressive, you wouldn't like any of the rivals.
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What a wise man he is. And John Anderson, who you played a clip with earlier, I spoke to John,
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and he said that as the world begins to crumble, as the West begins to fall,
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eyes will fall on Great Britain, because we have had a thousand years of pretty continuous
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civility. But actually, I think now the eyes are going to fall on America,
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because America is a constantly evolving and fluctuating idea. And Britain, we are just trying
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to stop our churches being burnt down at this juncture. So I think the eyes of the world should turn to
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America, the eyes of the world, the independence of this world, which you speak to a lot, the
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independent voters of this world have a choice between socialism and freedom. And I think the
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eyes of the world should turn to America at this juncture. And I'm lucky to live in a world where
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I think what Douglas was saying is very similar to what Lawrence was saying about, we used to expect
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our politicians to serve us, we expected them to have a sense of duty and obligation to the people
02:01:34.160
they're supposed to represent, that now they seem to think they're there to govern us and rule over
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us. But that's not their fault. That's our fault. We have been saying, govern me harder, daddy,
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govern me harder, daddy. Look at COVID, for example, save us, do something, tell us what to do.
02:01:47.660
Instead of actually just men standing up and say, I am the leader of my family. You know what,
02:01:51.840
we're going to stay away from granny because one of us has got symptoms, or we're not going to
02:01:55.380
go out in public today, but we're not going to wear those stupid nappies on our faces. It's like just
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men need to stand up and man up and be men, be the leaders of our society. Stop looking up to the
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government and say, what do we do next, please? How close can I sit next to Lawrence today?
02:02:08.040
It's ridiculous. So the problem is us, not necessarily the politicians, because we get
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the politicians that we deserve. And this is why America is thriving where Britain is dying,
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because America still believes in freedom. British people, generally speaking, no longer
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believe in freedom. We want to be governed. We want safetyism. Safety comes above freedom for us,
02:02:25.180
unfortunately. This is why we gave up our guns in 97. Safetyism, safetyism, same with Brexit,
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same with COVID, all of these situations, we want the government to tell us what to do.
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And we need to take back control and actually regain our freedom and look to America because
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America is the last stand for Christendom, for the West at the moment. America is the last place
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in the West that still believes in Christ and still believes in freedom. So God bless America.
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Lawrence, Calvin, you see why we love them. You can listen to them. They are free with their own
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messaging and show right now. It's on YouTube and it's called Fox and Father. It's on other platforms as
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well. We love, love, love, love seeing them do well and listening to them. Thank you guys both
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so much. Thank you. God bless. God bless you. Incredible pair. Oh my gosh. Pay attention because
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what's happening over there is happening here too. And while it's a smaller country, they have exactly
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the same problems that we have. And it's just, they've had a lot of immigration and it's happened
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in a smaller time because they have a smaller number of citizens. But if you don't think that four
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more years of open borders is going to drastically affect the character of this country, you haven't
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been paying attention. Thank you for watching. We're going to see you Monday. Have a good weekend.
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