00:07:49.780The tour documentary episode is called Backstage Pass, and that's exactly what it gives you, the inside look at what really happened behind the scenes on our tour last year.
00:08:00.660It's quite a behind-the-scenes look, too.
00:08:04.120Features a broken guitar, burns to yours truly and Abby, my assistant, and burns in more ways than one.
00:08:15.180We also get into my attempts to mediate the hatred between Ben Shapiro and Tucker Carlson.
00:11:48.420Maureen, this is huge news about these two grifters.1.00
00:11:51.940Why do you think they're leaving after telling us for six years they couldn't stand the UK?
00:11:58.800They they made their escape to Montecito, the propaganda of that with love, Megan, trying to show us this miraculous, perfect life that they had built for themselves out in one of the most beautiful areas on Earth.
00:15:47.160I don't know how they're going to finance a non-royal home,
00:15:52.160a home not provided by the british royal family right is this part of a larger play to get harry
00:15:59.380back to get the children if once you enroll children at at such young ages in school
00:16:05.800you know the idea of ripping them out is is is a is a is a huge one harry gets out of california
00:16:13.580residence before 10 years are up once 10 years are hit in california you file for divorce it's
00:16:20.580community property 50 50 okay so now he's got british residents reasserted reaffirmed
00:16:28.640megan what is she going to do there she is loathed she's got no friends
00:16:36.280i asked the team to pull this for me i said what's the latest approval rating of those two over there
00:16:42.360You Gov poll of Britain's in July. Harry's favorability is 30 percent. Meghan's is 22. For comparison, Williams was at 76. Princess Catherine is at 74. All right. I mean, even Queen Camilla's, she's at 43. She's well ahead of both of them. And the British public used to hate her.
00:17:05.820But now look at that. Meghan Markle has a 22% favorability rating in the UK. Nearly 80% of the populace hates her.
00:17:16.680So what will she do, Megan? Because again, that last trip to the UK, she didn't even show her face publicly. Not once. She came late, actually. The reporting initially was she and the children were going to be with Harry during this most momentous visit in which he was promoting the 2027 Invictus Games.0.97
00:17:36.800his most serious cause, the cause we are told is closest to his heart. Was she there for any of it?
00:17:43.500Nope. That was the same week, by the way, he got the black eye. All of his claims against the
00:17:49.700publisher of the Daily Mail were rejected. He and his cohort are now on the hook for $63 million.
00:17:56.760Right. Because loser pays in the British legal system and he lost.
00:18:00.480He lost. And that's not even, the judge still has to rule on what legal fees he'll be paying0.90
00:18:07.460for the defense in that court case. And I find this timing, as I know you do,
00:18:14.160incredibly convenient. They have no money. All of the Hollywood people have backed away slowly
00:18:21.520and have vanished your oprah's your tyler perry's your chris jenner's um ted sarandos
00:18:29.500ted sarandos i mean he denied it in the variety piece but it seemed to me like a faint denial
00:18:34.980where he said i won't get on the phone with her without my lawyer on the other line
00:18:38.920they're done they're done here megan's done there um i i have no idea what she does with
00:18:48.920herself for six months we know she can't live without a camera or a spotlight yeah no they
00:18:55.520have no friends maureen you remember harry he showed up at the nba finals with the commissioner
00:19:01.220it was like a guy in his 30s gets an invitation to the nba finals and he doesn't go with like his
00:19:10.320bros that's like yes doug and i are very much in love i i would not be his first phone call for the
00:19:16.420NBA finals. He would want to go with one of his best friends, one of his dude friends who loves
00:19:21.880basketball. He showed up with the commissioner. He he has no one and she has no one. They have
00:19:28.900absolutely no friends. But I really think it's more simple. I genuinely believe they it's their
00:19:36.200vanity. And in particular, it's her vanity. I believe she's not happy. Her little kids are
00:19:43.640not getting the royal treatment and neither is she. I think she probably wants those kids to0.73
00:19:49.080grow up with a British accent. I think she wants them to be referred to as prince and princess
00:19:55.260everywhere. I think she wants to be able to have her latest assistant, who only lasts two months1.00
00:20:00.360because she bullies them all out, be able to call any restaurant in town and say it's the Duke and
00:20:06.500Duchess of Sussex, which actually means something over there. Here, people are like, whatever. Give
00:20:12.020me a fucking break. Is it Tom Cruise or isn't it? Because that's the only person we stay up late1.00
00:20:16.560for. You know, she wants that status that she thought she was getting when she married him.1.00
00:20:23.260And so I believe she wants this. And she probably had to talk him into it because he actually has
00:20:29.340been ripping on his country nonstop 15 months ago. He said he could not possibly. Is this a
00:20:37.840soundbite or is this just in my notes? He said he could not possibly go back there. No, no, no,
00:20:43.500it is a soundbite. Can't see a world in which I'd be bringing my wife and children back
00:20:47.680to the UK. Saw five, listen. The only time that I've come back to the UK is sadly for funerals0.59
00:20:55.160or court cases with the odd charitable function where I can in between that. I put myself at risk
00:21:03.560for that but I will continue on with a life of public service so I will always support the
00:21:09.960charities and the people that mean so much to me. I can't see a world in which I would be bringing
00:21:18.840my wife and children back to the UK at this point and the things that they're going to miss
00:21:25.500is well everything. I love my country, I always have done despite what some people in that country
00:21:32.940have done okay but that that was 15 months ago maureen i can't see a world in which i'd bring
00:21:41.140them back now they're all moving there what changed consistency and uh you know an intellectual
00:21:46.920through line has never been the strong suit of the sussexes ever true true facts i also think
00:21:53.620i i i you know we we talked about last time we talked about this it was just like five minutes
00:21:59.900ago you know we were talking about how diana i i think diana had it right when she said charles
00:22:05.100was too weak for the top job people magazine in their exclusive report last night and we know
00:22:11.080people which is from her it's the preferred they definitely have her as a source in my opinion0.84
00:22:16.600she's their source exactly all of their exclusives which are over the top favorable to her they shoot
00:22:21.440them the emails you know and then they just reprint them with like you know very very minor
00:22:25.520tweaks said that um the the people report oh said that the sussexes felt they had very successfully
00:22:35.520accomplished what they had set out to do by moving to america which was establish themselves as the
00:22:41.500half in half out royals which is such an f you to the late queen who at this and they blindsided
00:22:49.980the queen too with their announcement of exit in the first place at the sandringham summit the
00:22:54.740late queen said, there is no half in or half out in her infinite wisdom. She said, no half in or
00:23:00.800half out. You're either all in and you serve the British public and you represent this country or
00:23:06.060you are out. Go make your money. We wish you well. You cannot represent the royals. And now they're
00:23:12.660saying that not only are they doing that, they've successfully done it. And I think the danger here
00:23:17.820is very real because I think that Harry is going to continue to make his appearances. And he is a
00:23:24.280Prince of the Blood. And those will be considered royal appearances, whether they're endorsed by
00:23:31.380the palace or not. Meghan will continue her travels as an ambassadress of who knows what,
00:23:38.400and she'll consider those royal appearances. Now, this is, I think, also the deviousness of these
00:23:45.760two, because I think they are looking to get back in with King Charles. And they're going to attempt
00:23:53.460to checkmate william because once charles begins to soften operation thaw is what it's called in
00:23:59.700charles's realm how is william going to look to the british public if he maintains his stance
00:24:08.340that his brother who has been nothing but a traitor to him his wife his children and the crown
00:24:15.540will will william somehow be depicted as the bad guy here really he'd love nothing more i mean his
00:24:24.100in his book spare which is the only successful thing they've done uh he alleged uh that during
00:24:31.560a 2019 argument over megan william called megan difficult rude and abrasive that he grabbed harry
00:24:39.440by the collar and knocked him to the floor where he landed on a dog bowl and injured his back he
00:24:44.340said that William later apologized. He called William his arch nemesis. He's my beloved brother
00:24:50.480and arch nemesis, he said. By the way, while on the subject of the insults, he hurled his family
00:24:57.260in his book. A couple more. He accused Camilla of using him to fix her image. He portrayed her
00:25:02.740as dangerous because of her relationships with the British press. He accused his dad, Camilla
00:25:08.900and William of working with the press against him. He you know, he's had nothing but negative
00:25:15.680things to say about them. And then in that Netflix special, the two of them called the
00:25:21.860British public racist. We pulled the soundbite just in case people forgot. I guarantee you the
00:25:27.760British public has not forgotten. It's that 10B. If you go back and look at the social media
00:25:34.280of that moment, immigration is at the absolute centre of those debates.
00:25:39.820And immigration is very often in this country a cipher for race.0.83
00:25:45.860Everybody should feel concerned about illegal immigration.0.95
00:25:49.480We don't know who these people are.1.00
00:25:54.160So the EU Commission report in 2016, exactly the same time that our relationship became
00:26:09.100public, it warned that if the government isn't going to do something or if the media
00:26:15.260aren't going to sort themselves out, that a culture war that had already existed was
00:26:20.080going to become huge and become a real problem.
00:26:24.160It was a perfect storm that gave credence to jingoism and nationalism and gave people with really horrible views of the world a little bit more strength and confidence to say what they wanted to say, to do whatever they wanted to do.
00:26:46.200the nerve of these two to call them all racist anybody who wanted brexit was racist
00:26:53.280and then expect to prance back in there and get a hero's return well you know that netflix
00:26:58.540documentary which i believe they fired the original director or she left under a cloud of
00:27:04.680of conflict uh you know if that's there if that's the story they want to put out there
00:27:11.280that um racism really began to flourish when megan came on the scene i mean i call this
00:27:19.360histrionic personality disorder you know you're you're responsible for like cross border you know
00:27:25.560get out okay secondly if if this is true if this is if this is what they truly believe megan
00:27:31.600why okay harry has spent almost his entire his full-time job as best i can tell has been suing
00:27:38.780the british tabloids yeah so if the british tabloids are so terrible have made as he said
00:27:46.500on the witness stand he said that he was weeping oh they've made my my wife's life a living hell
00:27:52.840at which point the judge had to say excuse me sir this isn't a therapy session control yourself
00:27:58.760right this is a mcdonald's sir you know like stop crying uh if even maureen even in that in that
00:28:06.380People Magazine piece because the Telegraph broke the news that Meg sits off and now they're going0.72
00:28:13.080back. And then People Magazine almost instantly had its own piece up, 100 percent obviously from
00:28:19.560the Sussexes. And in that piece, they they they detail like what they're what they're going to do
00:28:27.660and what this is about. Hold on one second. I just want to pull it up because it's better if I read
00:28:31.660it. Yeah. OK, this is what they put the blame on. While the couple appeared to have an idyllic
00:28:39.360life in Montecito, they want you to know it was idyllic. This isn't a fail. Everything was ideal
00:28:44.000and idyllic. While they appeared to have an idyllic life in Montecito, they have made
00:28:49.600no secret of their disillusionment with the current White House,
00:28:54.960with the midterm elections fast approaching concerns about the direction of the US
00:29:02.380loom large for many. This is the most cynical BS I've ever read in my life.
00:29:09.720They don't give a shit about who's in the White House. If she were getting her reservations when0.99
00:29:15.760she wanted them, she'd be staying. Trump has been president or president elect for almost two years
00:29:23.040now. In fact, he's been president in his second term for so long that we are now on the cusp of
00:29:30.540beginning the next presidential election where he could possibly be replaced by a by a Democrat.
00:29:35.740He will be replaced by somebody. So to blame it on Trump is such an obvious head fake like to her
00:29:43.440leftist, you know, the very small crew of leftists who still like her. Like I said, I'm leaving
00:29:49.300because of Trump. What a lie that to me, putting that in there makes it clear that this is all a
00:29:56.640lie and they don't want to tell us what the real reason is. And so what that. OK, so it's got to
00:30:01.840be a few things. Are they ending the relationship? Are they out of money, which is a very real
00:30:08.500possibility? Or is it just a petty need for more attention? You tell me, Maureen, how that's going
00:30:15.240to go if okay so great you can get your reserve your restaurant reservation but everyone there
00:30:19.980hates you no one's clamoring to spend time with you they're looking at you but they're looking
00:30:24.260at you disdainfully they can't stand you and they know now that you can't stand them i'm so happy
00:30:31.780that they very quickly um disavowed their uh search for privacy all credit to south park
00:30:40.260Worldwide Privacy Tour, and have left us with such historical documentation
00:30:45.300of everything they thought and felt in any given moment. Do you remember, Megan? It was around this
00:30:51.120time last year, I think, or maybe even earlier this year, Megan sat down with Emily Chang of
00:30:56.580Bloomberg. She was launching something else. And Emily Chang over Smashburgers asked Megan about
00:31:04.760the very difficult time we're in in this country? And did Meghan feel like she could say everything
00:31:11.220she wanted to say as far as her concerns about where this country is headed politically?
00:31:17.000And Meghan sat there knowing, as Michael Jordan famously said, Republicans buy sneakers too.
00:31:23.440Well, I think I've said everything I've had to say. Now we're politicizing it again. And
00:31:30.680we're politicizing it just months after King Charles and Queen Camilla came to the United
00:31:37.560States for a multi-day state. We're warmly welcomed by Donald and Melania Trump, have
00:31:44.060spoken mutually about how much they regard each other in the highest realm. So it's so on branch
00:31:51.580for them to mess everything up before they even start. Let's blame Harry's father's American1.00
00:31:57.940best friend, the leader of the free world. That's the ticket.
00:32:02.400Yes. And that way, maybe leftist Britons might welcome us back. We had to flee Trump. He was so
00:32:11.360bad. And all of MAGA is so racist, just like those evil Brexit voting Britons. We had no choice but0.99
00:32:18.820to return home where Meghan could be safe, where our black children could be safe. They're whiter1.00
00:32:25.640than you and i are that's why i buy the surrogate rumors and the egg donor rumors i mean you know
00:32:31.820those are red hair yes blue eyes those are recessive genes honestly and you and i are white
00:32:38.720and these kids we are pasty these kids are pastier than we are um the obsession with celebrity is a
00:32:46.900factor here you mentioned it they got the cold shoulder out there no one's taking their calls
00:32:51.960anymore. There have been multiple reports out about this, that we, we literally talked about
00:32:56.380the cold shoulder that they got at that event with the guy was supposed to be like a surrogate0.94
00:33:00.580father to Harry, um, that, you know, muckety muck up in Canada. Yeah, there we go. Married0.99
00:33:05.560to Catherine McPhee, how he didn't want to like hug Megan on the red carpet. And it was an obvious
00:33:11.020awkward moment. Oprah reportedly said no to doing another interview with them. They're, they're not,
00:33:17.520they're not what they thought they'd be. And these two are obsessed with celebrity. Meanwhile, Kate
00:33:24.300and William are like this, you know, everybody wants to book them. Everybody wants to be near
00:33:29.640them. It's like, you know, touching them gives you the Midas touch. That's the image that they
00:33:34.200have. But can we forget this image, this moment from Megan after the, hold on a second. Yeah,
00:33:43.500It was it was after the Oprah interview aired and they included this bit in their Netflix special about a special phone call that Megan got.
00:37:56.180But if it's true that they didn't tell King Charles until this past Sunday, the reports are both in People, so they're claiming it, and the Telegraph, as you pointed out, that he didn't find out until Sunday, the 16th of August, which was this past Sunday, right?
00:55:27.220OK, Daily Mail's Marianne Martinez reporting because they're in court this morning on Carmelo Anthony on the defense motion to get him a retrial, a new trial, saying that there had been a gentleman's agreement that we weren't going to do character evidence at this trial.
00:55:42.680And the prosecution somehow violated that by making some passing reference to like what Austin Metcalf liked to do or what Carmelo Anthony liked to do for fun.
00:55:51.820It was just it was it's such a Hail Mary by the defense.
00:55:54.860But something big happened in court this morning when the prosecutor got up and did not deny that there was a gentleman's agreement to not go to the character place on either the accused, Carmelo Anthony, who stabbed and killed Austin Metcalf at a track meet for absolutely nothing.
00:56:13.880Austin told him he had to leave Austin's team's tent and Carmelo Anthony instantly stabbed him or Austin Metcalf.
00:56:23.720They both sides agreed. We're not going to do character evidence on either the defendant or the decedent.
00:56:28.320And the prosecutor got up there and said, we did have such an agreement.
00:56:32.020But let me tell you what we would have introduced had we gone there.
00:56:36.780It would have been like because now the defense is like we should have been able to do that.
00:56:40.920We're going to do that. You know, we could have talked about what a bad person Austin Metcalf was.
00:56:44.380And he's like, how about Carmelo Anthony, the actual defendant?
00:56:50.080He says, first of all, Carmelo Anthony's girlfriend, Valeria, would have testified that she went to school the morning of the stabbing, April 2nd, 2025.
00:57:04.600And she told school officials that she had broken up with Carmelo Anthony and that he was stalking her.
00:57:15.400One hour later, Austin Metcalf was dead, according to the prosecutor.
00:57:21.000Clearly painting a picture of this kid, you know, so-called Carmelo Anthony, who was a hothead, who was angry that morning in some level of emotional distress and turmoil already at the time he showed up at the track meet.
00:57:36.240It's starting to come together, that hair trigger he had.
00:57:41.760So first of all, he texted the girlfriend, I'm low-key on the verge.
00:57:44.880He texted her the morning of the stabbing. The verge of what? We're not sure exactly. However, the prosecutor says Anthony had a history of violence and that he wanted to stab someone. Quote, there is a text message where he fantasizes about stabbing someone and licking the blood off the blade.
00:58:07.140he said of anthony he was obsessed with starting fights said the prosecutor and he was prepared to
00:58:13.600prove that revealing anthony had previously been taken by his parents to a special program at lsu
00:58:21.240for kids who cannot keep them their hands to themselves um he went on to say let's see um
00:58:28.900there was one of the things suggesting that there was oh yeah there was previous aggressive behavior
00:58:35.780and text messages about a knife in particular.
01:09:07.400I mean, things that are filed in the court docket is public.
01:09:09.760Typically, these hearings are held publicly.
01:09:11.440In this case, they didn't file them in the court's docket.
01:09:14.600The judge kept them, and they had these hearings sort of in secret.
01:09:18.000And so as a member of the public, that really bothers me.
01:09:21.420What's interesting, though, is Carmelo Anthony is trying to use that to get a new trial,
01:09:24.940but it actually benefited him because the things that were in these motions are all
01:09:29.120of these prior bad acts, the prior instances of violence or prior instances where maybe
01:09:33.780he was stalking his girlfriend or he was making these heated texts, whatever happened at the
01:09:37.940school that we still don't know about, but maybe by 5 o'clock today we'll know about
01:09:40.800you know, whatever led for him to go to this program at LSU. All of this stuff is probably
01:09:45.380in those motions. And so the court was really protecting him this whole time. But yet while
01:09:50.900the court was trying to protect him and keep all this secret, the Internet was able to make up all
01:09:55.660these false narratives and really spin this in a way that's just it's awful what's happened. I mean,
01:10:01.260even the lawyers have been threatened, you know, both sides, the defense, the state. And I don't
01:10:04.980think that that was really ever anybody's intention. But I think if the world had really
01:10:08.720known the truth from the beginning, that maybe we wouldn't be where we are here today.
01:10:13.400Here's the other thing, Arthur, that we found this out yesterday.
01:10:18.060Back to Sarah Fields, she found this and actually Carmelo's lawyer's affidavit, his trial attorney,
01:10:25.200Michael Howard, submitted an affidavit about an off-the-record agreement, this gentleman's
01:10:29.540agreement he allegedly had with the prosecutors and so on.
01:10:31.380So this comes from Carmelo's side and he writes, in sentencing, in reliance upon this
01:10:38.020agreement, the defense did not designate an expert who was ready to testify regarding mitigation on
01:10:44.580behalf of Carmelo. Like, don't give him a really mean sentence because all these terrible things
01:10:48.840happened to him when he was a child. And so you should feel bad for him. And so this is what he
01:10:52.700is now arguing, saying because of this gentleman's agreement, we did not we did not bring up a
01:10:58.980character witness to offer mitigation. And so the defense severely limited its available character
01:11:05.440witnesses to just three questions of mr anthony's mother but here's what i'm getting to he writes
01:11:10.920other than general character testimony and pleas for mercy in reliance upon that agreement
01:11:16.080the defense also did not go into substantial family violence mr anthony had witnessed
01:11:22.500and had been a victim of in his own home now i'm sorry but these parents of his yeah i know
01:11:32.160Right. I've been all over the news trying to paint the Metcalfs and the poor dead Austin as a racist with no evidence.
01:11:39.860How many times have we seen this Mr. George Floyd all of the way after he died, all of a sudden was a saint, George Floyd, people who had never dealt with him, dealt with his mental illness, dealt with his addiction.
01:11:51.020All of a sudden they were there and his brother. I mean, this is it's like a script.
01:11:55.540And I'll answer your question, but the sad part, and I'll ask you the question.0.55
01:12:00.240If both of these kids were white or both of these kids were black, would it be more than a one-day story?0.61
01:17:23.000like do you guys have these handshake agreements with prosecutors like all right i won't do this
01:17:29.100and you know in a murder case you know maybe if it's a dewey or something like that but i mean i
01:17:33.340you know we just that just doesn't exist in my world no that does not exist we put everything
01:17:37.540on the record we would have it in writing there is no way i would you know depend to have my
01:17:42.180entire defense based on some backdoor gentleman's agreement that wasn't even ironed out i would have
01:17:46.560very specific things that's ridiculous how about you dave you're just in the business of prosecuting
01:17:51.920For 12 years when I was state attorney, our office would not have entered into some side deals with defense lawyers.
01:18:00.740You do that, and that is just – you're risking having your conviction overturned on appeal.
01:18:06.540You're also risking the reputation of your office because there's inevitably going to be disputes.
01:18:10.500Oh, you didn't live up to that because once the defense loses, they're going to point to something in that deal and say you're the problem because they don't like to admit that they're the problem.
01:18:19.140So what Camarillo Anthony should do is that realize he's not going to get a new trial and then do his direct appeals and on his appeals, do an ineffective assistance of counsel claim.
01:18:29.060Blame your lawyers. Maybe that's his best shot of getting out of prison.
01:18:32.800Yeah, no, it's true. I was shocked to see the prosecutor admitting, yeah, we did have this agreement.
01:18:37.180It's like, why? Why would you do that? What do you what do you what?
01:18:40.600Well, has he put has like we're kind of ripping on this whole thing, but like, is there a chance that this judge won't see it as a hail?
01:18:47.780I don't think I don't think the prosecutor had the had they had this gentleman's agreement that the prosecutor is admitting they had and they introduced the evidence of the dream with the licking the blood off the knife.
01:18:59.680But I don't know. They didn't breach the agreement to such a degree that it changed the facts of the case. Right. There's something called harmless error.
01:19:07.600So is this I mean, the facts of this case are indisputable, indisputed. So it's it wasn't like, oh, we didn't know if he was going to be guilty or not guilty on a knife's edge.
01:19:16.460And this one little thing that the prosecutor said that he said he shouldn't have said is what made the verdict happen.
01:19:21.760It's just, again, it goes back to harmless, harmless error analysis.
01:19:26.000Yeah, I see it as the defense took a gamble on this agreement, which does sound like it was kind of a good agreement for the defense.
01:19:34.540Yeah, well, this stuff doesn't come in.
01:19:36.240I don't know why the prosecutor wouldn't fight to put that in.
01:19:39.620This prosecutor is like, I'm going to get in a conviction with or without this.
01:19:42.240I might as well make it as bulletproof as I can.
01:19:44.060But so but the defense agreed to it. And only now do they want another bite at the apple because that now with the benefit of 2020 hindsight, they say, oh, it didn't work, didn't work out.
01:19:52.380So I'm just going to say whatever I agreed to was was a problem. And it was a little funky.
01:19:56.780So maybe I'll get a judge to say this was too funky for me. And it's a murder trial. So I'm reversing this.
01:20:01.880But I agree. I don't think that's what's going to happen here. I think the judge is going to say no retrial for you.
01:20:06.980All right. I want to move on because we we talked a bit about was there domestic violence inside the Carmelo Anthony home?
01:20:12.140Well, there was domestic violence inside Hayden Panettiere's home by this disgusting boyfriend.0.97
01:20:19.320I mean, this guy is the lowest of the low.0.82
01:20:21.680I cannot believe, and I'm so sad that this woman spent a big portion of the last six, seven years with this guy.
01:20:31.780By 2020, there was a criminal case against him.
01:20:34.720Um, and he, he, what he, I can't remember right now, whether he was found guilty or
01:20:41.680pleaded guilty, either way, there was a guilty result.
01:20:44.120He was convicted of punching her in the face.
01:20:47.880The police saw her right after there was no question that it happened.
01:20:50.620He's admitted to it, um, some jail time, some probation and reportedly a five-year
01:20:56.220restraining order, which neither one of them lived up to.
01:20:59.460She invited him back into her life.0.99
01:21:01.180This is a pattern many domestic violence survivors are familiar with.
01:21:06.160And now the reporting on this case has just come out that the DEA is now involved in this in investigating where those drugs came from, that she reportedly had like a suitcase full of drugs with her.
01:25:59.480So you tell me, Ashley, would you be worried?
01:26:02.640I feel like this guy's defense attorney who represented him in his domestic violence cases is probably calling him saying, keep your mouth shut.
01:26:10.780Oh, yeah. Don't talk to the feds. Don't be helpful. Definitely.
01:26:14.740And there was a report just yesterday that cops were seen there now.
01:26:18.880I guess he and the brother are reportedly now staying with their mother, like their family of origin, Betty Ellison.
01:26:23.340And yesterday at 820 in the morning, page six of The New York Post reporting exclusively that cops were seen sniffing around the home.
01:26:32.320They came. They knocked. Nobody answered, although people were inside. They left. They
01:26:37.460were reportedly conducting a, quote, welfare check. And then I think they went back and did
01:26:43.880it again. So they're definitely sniffing around. Oh, yeah. If I was Brian, the boyfriend, I would
01:26:49.000be really worried. I'd first be worried about his brother. So his brother, Zach, is a preacher and
01:26:53.540has apparently had, you know, strong feelings for Hayden in his life, whether or not they dated.
01:26:58.900There's been some rumors about that, but the reports are that he was just distraught when
01:27:03.020they found her. So if he cared for her that much, and if he thinks his brother had something to do
01:27:06.760with her death, I'd be really worried about the police talking to him from a defense perspective.
01:27:10.860I'd also be worried about the DEA poking around because they're strong. And the DEA, when they
01:27:16.180start asking questions, people start talking. People get real scared. And so if he gave her
01:27:20.440these drugs, he had to get them from somewhere. He didn't make them. He got them from somewhere.
01:27:24.480And folks are willing to talk when the feds come knocking. I wouldn't be as worried about the
01:27:28.300state charges because most likely he probably was using the drugs with her. I mean, like you said,
01:27:32.800he was sleeping till noon and there's actually defense in Tennessee state court. If they had
01:27:37.460their own statute that you can be prosecuted if someone dies. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah. And so in South
01:27:42.960Carolina, they've got a statute where you can be prosecuted if someone dies while, you know,
01:27:47.420they've basically taken drugs that you gave them. But if you did it together, that's a defense. So,
01:27:52.820you know, he might have a defense to that. So crazy. But the feds, I'd be really worried about.
01:28:02.480So here's the report from TMZ this morning, Arthur.
01:28:06.240Police are not satisfied Hayden Penetier's death was a tragic overdose of prescribed meds because they are trying to determine if there could be criminal conduct behind it.
01:28:16.380Law enforcement sources involved in the case tell TMZ they are conducting a death investigation to see if some illegality is behind her death.
01:28:24.820They said, yeah, Wednesday, they went to the family home of her boyfriend, Brian Hickerson.
01:28:29.260It would appear police want information from Brian regarding any circumstance that might be connected to her death.
01:28:35.560And then, you know, my team went through and there's a bunch of possible charges that could be brought federally, which would explain the DEA's interest in all of this.
01:28:43.500If Brian Hickerson provided the drugs.
01:28:46.400i mean the person who the assistant who was getting the drugs from matthew perry
01:28:50.420got ultimately sentenced to 41 months in prison but that's a great example of how it's kind of
01:28:58.800easier to find who gets the drugs what dave said is right on a lot of these guys you know i'm
01:29:04.320fortunately i've been involved with deceased families as well you know they want answers
01:29:08.520right and then when you eventually get into their phone there's like eight numbers there's 10
01:29:12.900numbers and yes you try to go back and see but then how do you prove well the drugs he got from
01:29:18.560john on tuesday and then he got drugs from jose on wednesday how do you know which drugs he took
01:29:25.000and which ones were had fentanyl and which ones didn't have fentanyl so as a prosecutor dave can
01:29:29.960tell you it's very hard to eventually prosecute someone with perry it was it was that all of
01:29:35.920those different drug dealers were going through one person right there was a bottleneck and it
01:29:39.580went through them and you were able to much more easily prove he's the guy who actually handed them
01:29:44.340the drugs but i gotta tell you maybe like i don't know if i have and i'll ask ashley and dave
01:29:49.480overdosing on whippets is like not something i well i don't even think it's possible wasn't it
01:29:55.480yeah i mean brain damage before death the report about that may ingestion or attempted ingestion
01:30:01.600of drugs said it was both whippets and alcohol which she also shouldn't have been having if she0.99
01:30:06.720was a recovering alcoholic, as she was portraying. So it was multiple attempts to imbibe something,
01:30:12.700some sort of substance to, you know, get a high at a time when she was on this book tour.
01:30:17.140What were you going to say? Yeah. The guy who is the assistant to Matthew Perry, Iwamasa is his
01:30:21.460name. He didn't just arrange for the drugs. He injected Perry with the fatal doses. Then he
01:30:27.040left and he found Perry dead in the hot tub and he tried to cover it up. So his fingerprints were
01:30:31.600all over this mess and he pled guilty not sure but don't you think this guy could go down if we
01:30:37.360have no proof whatsoever of this but if he did give her the drugs even if there wasn't an injection
01:30:42.760situation yeah he enabled if he was able to hand the drugs to her yes he could go down for it
01:30:48.120they would need proof and then you have the brother perhaps testifying against his brother
01:30:53.320especially if he if he was in love with her as Ashley mentioned so I this is a very interesting
01:31:00.580situation that i think you will see some charges down the road but but uh arthur and i identified
01:31:06.580the problem if you're going to identify the source if you're going to track the source there are so
01:31:10.740many potential sources it's easier to get right at the bottleneck the brother or the the boyfriend
01:31:18.120who would have been there to give her the drug all right stand by uh we're going to take a quick
01:31:24.460break but we have more to do and then we got to hit on lindsey clancy more with our kelly's court
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01:32:40.200Merchant, and Arthur Idalla. I'm trying to find a note, which is why I'm distracted here.
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01:44:20.400Were you aware that on May 26, 2023, that the defendant was observed by staff in a note stating that she was visible along the unit hallways, self-propelling her wheelchair?
01:44:35.280She had a visit with her mother. They ate and played games during the visit.
01:44:38.380are you aware of that that would have been approximately four months after the incident
01:44:43.360and uh on the date of Callan's first birthday right yes how about on January 24th 24 24
01:44:52.260where she's observed in a note from Tewksbury State Hospital a patient was visible in the
01:44:58.040milieu engageable with both staff and select peers that she was pleasant during interactions
01:45:04.520self-propelling in wheelchair in the halls spending much of the morning and early afternoon
01:45:09.240in her room and hall on her electronics um do you recall reading that record not specifically
01:45:15.220and january 24th 2024 would have been the year anniversary of the incident correct yes
01:45:20.600this is the prosecutor trying to establish that lindsey clancy's handling the anniversaries of
01:45:27.580her children's, well, birthdays, you know, their birthday in heaven. Um, just fine without much
01:45:35.900emotionality. Uh, welcome back to the MK show. Arthur Adal is here, Dave Ehrenberg as well,
01:45:40.440and Ashley Merchant all back with me. Um, so let's talk a bit about what's happening inside
01:45:45.980that courtroom as they're, you know, trying to make their case. Then we'll get into what happened
01:45:50.940with the jurors today. They had Lindsay's mom take the stand and her name is Paula Musgrove.
01:45:57.100here's a bit of what she said in sat why don't we just play them back to back 28 and 29
01:46:03.260do you recall the end of january that she made a statement to you about the medication in her
01:46:09.420opinion what it was doing to her mind yes what did she say she said that she couldn't remember
01:46:16.180anything the medication was pretty much just destroying her mind and it wasn't her she said
01:46:22.540that this isn't me. I just want to feel better and enjoy my kids again.
01:46:26.860The next message that you're referring to, would that be on
01:46:31.300October 20th of 2022? Yes. And do you have that on your phone right now? I do. Can you just pull
01:46:41.740that up for us? I can. Just give me a moment. Would you read that for the jury? Mom, will you
01:46:48.640please come up and stay with me for a bit. I'm really sick. Something is wrong. I had horrible
01:46:55.080insomnia all night and I just don't know how I'm going to get through the day. I started taking the
01:47:01.380medicine my doctor prescribed for anxiety and I think it's made things worse. It's just really
01:47:07.640scary and I don't want to be alone. So, Ashley, this is the defense trying to paint a picture of
01:47:16.320a woman who's deteriorating on medicine that is not being well managed by her physicians
01:47:22.320and recognizing that she's changing in a way that's very disturbing to her and the mother
01:47:43.540Yeah. But I mean, try to explain for us what they're really arguing over, because there's no doubt that Lindsay Clancy killed the children. Right. There's no doubt she strangled them one by one with an exercise cord. Not that not the bands. They've been referring to them as like the bands. No, the cords like a bungee looking cord, which is just brutal in the basement.0.90
01:48:08.200And then she jumped out the window. The only real debate is whether she did it because she had postpartum psychosis or she was just regular nuts. Right. Right. Like to a certain extent, anybody's nuts who kills their children. Right. Exactly. Just, you know, well, the prosecution has charged it, though, as first degree murder. So they're saying that she did this on purpose, that she had a plan. She wanted her kids dead.0.90
01:48:30.300So I think what the defense is doing is they're building really a timeline.
01:48:33.980And I expect in closing arguments, we'll see this timeline where Lindsay was reaching out
01:56:29.740There's really no evidence that she was out there on Tinder trying to have a new life.
01:56:33.020And that's why it's going to be harder for a jury to say, what is the motivation other than that she was crazy, that she was overmedicated?
01:56:39.940And the fact that she threw herself out the window and, according to her own experts, landed on her head, her neck, in an attempt to kill herself, that will, I think, move enough jurors that it's going to be nearly impossible to get a conviction unanimously beyond a reasonable doubt.
01:56:55.060Is there a chance then, I mean, like, it's just now dawning on me that, is there a possibility of not guilty?
02:00:24.340If I was the prosecutor, the elected DA or whatever they call them there, state attorney, I would have worked this out where I would have just said, look, just agree.
02:00:34.280Lindsay Clancy was a nurse, but it was her mother who was a labor and delivery nurse for like 38 years.
02:00:39.640I don't know what kind of a nurse Lindsay was, but there was testimony.0.71
02:01:12.180But it seems like she comes from a long line of labor and delivery nurses, too, because her, you know, her mother in law, her mother, she was to me.
02:01:19.320and I think a lot of jurors will agree with this, that means she likes babies. You're not going
02:01:24.860there delivering babies if you don't like them. And so when she's not in this psychosis, she likes
02:01:30.400babies. There's been a lot of evidence she wanted a lot of kids and that she was otherwise a good
02:01:34.620mom. I think that strengthens this temporary insanity almost. And I hate to use the word
02:01:39.820temporary because she obviously had a long line of mental illness, but it seems like it just
02:01:43.800temporarily got out of control at this point. I mean, obviously way out of control.
02:01:47.640seem like i don't agree with lisa renna of the real housewives that patrick is the real killer
02:01:55.220the husband not even not even lindsey's arguing that um but the more i learned the more disgusted
02:02:02.480i am with him i gotta be honest it's like so you knew your wife was in crisis you saw her
02:02:08.180deteriorate you knew that she was having thoughts of hurting the children you were told by the
02:02:15.220doctor she was bipolar and you said my wife is not bipolar you are working from home because
02:02:20.940you're worried about her and yet in the midst of all that you do allow her to be alone with the
02:02:26.100children ever and the mother too kind of failed her with no no disrespect to that mom but like
02:02:31.260the mom was there she said no i wasn't worried that she was going to hurt the children because0.99
02:02:34.400we were there but then you left why was she ever allowed to be alone with these children she was
02:02:39.040failed by these doctors the hospitals her husband her family but it's to some degree man it's like
02:02:45.780inconceivable like is your wife really going to kill your three kids even her mother-in-law and
02:02:51.760one of the women in my office said mother-in-laws hate their daughter-in-laws but even the mother-in-law1.00
02:02:56.340said when i saw her she was a very good mom she was a very good mom you go into it thinking she
02:03:01.200would never but right except when the spouse comes to you and says i'm thinking about hurting the
02:03:06.540children in which case you're like i'm hearing voices okay yeah yeah there's a five alarm fire
02:03:12.420now you will not be being you will not have any alone time with them you're you're right right
02:03:17.420like you're right and they have a nanny bring the nanny back in god knows what he's doing in his
02:03:20.980mind right now no but every every parent knows you love your spouse you adore your spouse and
02:03:25.180and you have to be a united front when it comes to discipline with the children and all that stuff
02:03:28.760but like if there's any possibility your spouse is going to hurt your child
02:03:33.760you're on the side of the child like the divisions don't that's not a situation where you back the
02:03:40.280spouse um there was a testimony it was kind of interesting how they got it in about her hearing
02:03:45.200the voice and you mentioned that that psychiatrist the guy who treated her dr paul zeisel he was on
02:03:50.940the stand and here's 36 listen to this one she wanted to know how he was doing she wanted to
02:03:58.160know if she could call him and find out her husband where things are with her and with him
02:04:06.000and how he was faring and to just speak with him after she told patrick that she loved him very
02:04:12.000much she was unable to express a lot of emotion but she expressed love for him and she had said1.00
02:04:24.440And that she heard a male voice ordering her, telling her that she didn't have any choice, but she had to kill her children and then kill herself.0.92
02:04:46.140Why did you let her call her husband on your cell phone?1.00
02:04:48.840i let her call a husband out of human compassion
02:04:54.700i isn't that why wasn't there a hearsay objection there that's a lot of that's quite a back-ended
02:05:04.720way to get in that she heard voices yeah well the prosecutor would be the one right objecting
02:05:09.360to that to that coming out why wouldn't the prosecutor object to that well sometimes they
02:05:13.560don't always know yeah they're not always know what they're doing they make mistakes we that's
02:05:18.040why they call it the practice of law. We're still practicing. We never get it right.
02:05:21.240I don't know. I don't think that was, I would have been on my feet saying that's not coming in.
02:05:25.660Not, not this way. I think that's the only way it came in. Here's the cross-examination. Um,
02:05:30.280the same guy sat 37. How many times has she told you since the incident that she's heard a voice
02:05:36.160currently? She has not heard voices since the event took place in, uh, 2023.
02:05:48.040And you've now testified that over the course of a period of time that she did hear voices, right?