The Megyn Kelly Show - Harry and Meghan Play the Victim, and Twitter Files Revelations, with Tom Bower, Ric Grenell, Sophie Corcoran, and Leilani Dowding ｜ Ep. 451

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00:00:31.200 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest and provocative conversations.

00:00:42.400 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.620 I watch the Netflix documentary Harry and Megyn, so you don't have to.

00:00:50.220 And I have a lot of thoughts. More on that later.

00:00:54.060 But first, there's a lot of news to get to.

00:00:56.560 WNBA player Brittany Griner is back in the U.S. after being detained in Russia for 10 months.

00:01:03.020 She was released following a trade for notorious arms dealer Victor Bout,

00:01:07.280 also known as the Merchant of Death.

00:01:10.360 Here to discuss that and much more is former acting director of U.S. National Intelligence,

00:01:15.840 Rick Grinnell.

00:01:16.960 Rick, welcome back to the show.

00:01:18.340 So what do you make of the Brittany Griner swap?

00:01:20.560 Well, thanks for having me, Megyn.

00:01:23.700 Look, you know, we should start off by saying these issues are very difficult when you're dealing with family members who literally, I think,

00:01:31.600 will do anything to get their loved ones back.

00:01:34.720 And I think that's appropriate.

00:01:35.880 I've thought long and hard about this hostage process, and it's really important that the families always stay independent from government.

00:01:44.880 Government certainly doesn't want to have a slippery slope of doing something that encourages regimes like Putin's regime to somehow start grabbing people and using them as a weapon in negotiations.

00:02:00.660 Certainly, we know that if that happens, they'll just start grabbing Americans wherever they can and then start with demands.

00:02:07.180 But I think, in particular, this Griner swap was really bad. 1.00

00:02:12.800 And I think that it is going to signal troubled waters for Americans as we travel overseas,

00:02:19.260 because what you have is a basketball player who simply had marijuana and suddenly they're being switched for a guy who has been trafficking in arms,

00:02:35.040 arms that kill Americans, literally a killer of Americans and others. 0.50

00:02:41.660 And it's just not something that we should have done.

00:02:45.780 I think the Biden team has made clear that they had no choice, that this was the offer that Putin made.

00:02:51.420 But I don't believe that.

00:02:53.380 I reject that.

00:02:54.120 I think you always have an opportunity to leverage.

00:02:57.820 You're the United States of America, and you shouldn't just have Putin dictating to you a trade and take it or leave it and being trapped somehow by saying,

00:03:08.420 well, we want Brittany Griner home, and this is the only thing that we can do to get her home.

00:03:12.180 I think it really, again, signals troubled waters for Americans overseas.

00:03:19.020 It's such a tough situation because we want Americans home. 1.00

00:03:22.200 Yes, she appears to have taken pot into Russia.

00:03:25.780 But I mean, my God, 10 months in a labor camp, that's really not, in anybody's mind, fair.

00:03:31.660 They were trying to use her.

00:03:32.660 They were trying to up the ante to get her attention, and it worked.

00:03:34.860 And this guy, Victor Bout, being back on the streets is not a good thing.

00:03:39.300 Politico has a great piece today getting into the background of this guy, and it starts as follows.

00:03:44.300 Listen to this, Rick.

00:03:45.540 Shortly after 1 p.m. Bangkok time on March 8th, 2008, two shaggy Colombian guerrillas locked eyes with a genial mega rich Russian arms dealer and realized they had a lot to talk about. 0.78

00:03:55.300 A guerrilla says as follows.

00:03:56.460 They're flying Apaches.

00:03:58.020 They're flying Blackhawk.

00:03:59.580 We don't have any.

00:04:00.260 How can we defend ourselves with a rifle against a Blackhawk or against an Apache? 1.00

00:04:03.460 We want to knock those American sons of bitches because we're tired. 1.00

00:04:07.180 Kill them and kick them out of my country. 1.00

00:04:09.600 Yes, yes, yes, says Victor Bout, the arms dealer, commiserating. 1.00

00:04:13.340 They act as if this was their home.

00:04:15.300 Propaganda.

00:04:16.620 Bout assures Ricardo and his pal Carlos, both working for the Columbia Marxist rebel insurgency known as FARC,

00:04:21.680 that he shared their hatred for the United States.

00:04:23.700 We have the same enemy.

00:04:26.460 It goes on from there.

00:04:28.180 So he's back out in the streets now because we needed to get our basketball player home.

00:04:32.120 But the thing is, that's what we tend to do.

00:04:34.960 We don't tend to let Americans twist in the wind forever in these regimes, even if they've broken a law, a minor law.

00:04:41.180 Right.

00:04:41.440 It was it's we're trying to strike a balance between getting our girl home and at what price.

00:04:48.700 And do you think this was just too high a price to pay?

00:04:51.420 Well, I think you just hit it on the head at what price.

00:04:54.200 And yes, it was way too high of a price.

00:04:56.060 We, of course, want Britney home. 1.00

00:04:57.900 We want all Americans home, even though she's kneeling for the American flag and doesn't love what America stands for. 0.54

00:05:04.140 We still want someone like that home because we we should be always pushing for freedom of speech.

00:05:09.460 But let's look at this.

00:05:10.620 I tend to, as a diplomat, try to look at the other side and put myself in their shoes.

00:05:15.220 What Putin wants during this war in Ukraine is he wants his arms dealer home.

00:05:20.500 He wants to be able to get arms from a whole bunch of places.

00:05:24.200 And this guy was the expert.

00:05:25.820 The reason why he's trying to get this guy home, the expert arms dealer, is because he's having trouble in Ukraine.

00:05:34.420 It's clear they are trying they're buying drones from Iran.

00:05:38.420 They're doing everything they can to try to win this war.

00:05:41.260 They're running out of power.

00:05:43.500 They're running out of money.

00:05:46.020 And yet Putin feels very strongly that this is, you know, his his stance.

00:05:51.380 I wouldn't say final stance, but it could be.

00:05:53.760 He very much feels like this is the pride of old Russia, the old Soviet Union that that is at stake.

00:05:59.820 But I, as an American, get frustrated that Joe Biden keeps getting outmaneuvered.

00:06:07.200 Let's let's be very clear about why this Ukraine war started.

00:06:11.260 The Senate Democrats and Joe Biden dropped the Trump sanctions on Nord Stream 2 on Putin's pipeline.

00:06:21.160 We had that pipeline sanctioned.

00:06:23.600 And when Biden came in and this doesn't get enough media attention, he and many Senate Democrats that took to the floor in the Senate said, we're dropping these sanctions because we don't want to stick it in the eye of the Russians.

00:06:36.980 And we think that this situation is going to get worse if we don't drop the Trump sanctions on the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

00:06:44.820 That was a strategic blunder.

00:06:46.940 It did the exact opposite.

00:06:48.680 It showed Putin that we were weak.

00:06:50.440 It gave him a green light.

00:06:51.620 And within months, we had the war in Ukraine.

00:06:54.820 I don't buy these Democrats who are all big tears about the war in Ukraine right now.

00:07:00.780 And and the fact is, the media aren't putting the tough questions to them to say, yeah, but you voted to drop the sanctions on Putin's pipeline.

00:07:09.980 What do you expect?

00:07:11.180 Putin is going to thank you and pull back from his offense?

00:07:16.020 No, he saw weakness and he doubled down and we have a war in Ukraine because we dropped those sanctions.

00:07:23.040 Now we're giving billions of dollars in this war and they just got their arms dealer, their expert arms dealer, their best arms dealer back in Russia.

00:07:35.560 And he's already at work, absolutely trying to find new arms to escalate this war.

00:07:41.280 This is Joe Biden's war.

00:07:43.420 And who did we get?

00:07:45.440 You know, it's like, yes, we brought our American home, which we like.

00:07:47.680 But we forgot Paul Whelan. 0.97

00:07:50.000 We forgot our ex-Marine who's sitting over there, who's been accused, our people say, on trumped up bullshit charges of being a spy. 0.85

00:07:59.260 And he's been sitting over there since December 2018. 0.53

00:08:02.860 He told CNN in a phone call Thursday night, he's really unhappy about this.

00:08:09.200 Here's just a bit of that thought, too.

00:08:11.820 I have to say I'm greatly disappointed that more has not been done to secure my release, especially as the four year anniversary of my arrest is coming up.

00:08:25.220 I was arrested for a crime that never occurred.

00:08:28.840 I'm happy that Brittany is going home today and that Trevor went home when he did.

00:08:34.680 But I don't understand why I'm still sitting here.

00:08:38.280 What do you make of that?

00:08:39.380 Is that that started during the Trump administration when you were working for Trump?

00:08:43.440 So what do you make of Paul's complaint?

00:08:45.560 Well, we've been working on Paul's issue for a very long time.

00:08:48.760 Look, these things are very difficult.

00:08:50.120 They take a long time.

00:08:51.400 Again, I want to emphasize that it's very important for the family.

00:08:55.320 I've worked extremely closely with families who have a loved one that is detained overseas and they should have the right to speak out and criticize.

00:09:06.520 The government should not try to control them.

00:09:09.260 And we in the Trump administration were absolutely clear that the families get to do whatever they want to do.

00:09:14.500 We're not going to try to control them.

00:09:15.900 The Biden team absolutely threatens and controls these families. 0.99

00:09:20.040 They say, shut up. 0.93

00:09:21.440 They say, go along with our policy. 0.64

00:09:24.080 And so these families dutifully talk glowingly about the Biden team because they're afraid.

00:09:31.220 They're absolutely afraid that they're going to get left behind because this is a vindictive administration.

00:09:36.500 They weaponize everything.

00:09:38.480 We know that as conservatives.

00:09:39.640 They weaponize the IRS.

00:09:41.420 They weaponize DOJ.

00:09:42.820 This is an administration that is trying to control the families.

00:09:46.740 And I think it's really important to let the families pressure the government and do whatever they can.

00:09:53.300 Go on TV, criticize the U.S. government.

00:09:57.140 I even believe this is very controversial, but I even believe that the families individually, without the government support, should be able to pay and do anything they want to get their loved ones back.

00:10:08.200 From a public policy standpoint, we don't think that's a good idea to pay.

00:10:13.280 When I'm in government, I absolutely want to try to convince the families why it's a bad idea.

00:10:20.060 But, Megan, if my mom, if my nephew, if my brother was overseas, I'm going to do everything possible, and that would mean everything is on the table.

00:10:29.700 I almost feel like, don't say it out loud, Rick.

00:10:32.440 You know, it's like, next thing you know, somebody's going to think of that.

00:10:35.040 I know, but you know what?

00:10:36.580 As part of a public policy, somebody who cares about public policy, you've got to care about the individuals.

00:10:43.320 And you want to be able to not control these families when they're in a desperate situation.

00:10:48.300 And make no mistake, I would always try to convince them not to do it.

00:10:52.940 It's not a good idea because of the slippery slope.

00:10:56.580 But you shouldn't control them.

00:10:57.920 Well, Ken, my problem with this is it feels like a loss.

00:11:02.400 You know, I don't understand why we couldn't get a twofer.

00:11:05.080 When we're giving it up, an arms dealer, when he's in the middle of this war, which isn't going very well for him, why can't we get a twofer?

00:11:13.580 It's not like we have an arms dealer and a basketball player.

00:11:17.300 We got a guy who they say may have been a spy.

00:11:21.300 It seems like the evidence of that is rather weak.

00:11:23.160 I don't know what the proof is, but they didn't catch him in the middle of an arms deal like we did this guy, Victor, about.

00:11:28.640 So, you know, the Biden administration basically shrugs his shoulders and say, says it wasn't an either or.

00:11:35.220 What can we do?

00:11:35.680 Here's the president just to bring it home for the viewers.

00:11:37.860 Not one.

00:11:38.220 This was not a choice of which American to bring home. 0.51

00:11:43.800 We brought home Trevor Reed when we had a chance early this year.

00:11:47.980 Sadly, for totally illegitimate reasons, Russia is treating Paul's case differently than Brittany's.

00:11:54.000 And while we have not yet succeeded in securing Paul's release, we are not giving up.

00:11:58.680 We will never give up.

00:12:00.220 So should we just accept that or should we say, as you said, we're the United States of America?

00:12:07.740 We have more leverage.

00:12:08.900 We have more power.

00:12:09.820 We have more everything than Russia does. 0.99

00:12:12.220 Of course.

00:12:13.540 To hear Joe Biden say we had no choice is awful.

00:12:19.400 It's embarrassing.

00:12:20.540 And and he should be thrown out of office.

00:12:22.940 This is the same guy who said, oh, I got 90 percent of the Americans back from Afghanistan.

00:12:27.720 This is not what the president is supposed to do.

00:12:30.560 The president has a lot of leverage.

00:12:32.900 And yes, again, I'll say it for the third time.

00:12:35.420 It is a very difficult situation.

00:12:37.440 No one is pretending like this is easy.

00:12:39.800 But we do have leverage with Russia.

00:12:41.920 We were making progress.

00:12:43.160 But now you have this precedent that an NBA player is going to be switched for the merchant of death.

00:12:50.600 So what does that mean now for Paul Whelan?

00:12:53.040 He's not an NBA player.

00:12:54.660 He's a former military official.

00:12:57.720 So now we're going to have to, you know, ratchet it up and give away a whole bunch because that's the the pay scale that the Biden administration has established.

00:13:11.220 And I think that it's terrible.

00:13:13.440 We should be able to come up with a whole bunch of other ideas.

00:13:16.520 Certainly we have other tools, whether it's Department of Transportation.

00:13:21.740 Right.

00:13:22.320 Airline flights.

00:13:23.200 We have a whole bunch of things that we can use.

00:13:26.140 I'll just quickly say when I was U.S. ambassador to Germany, we had a situation where Mahan Air was an airline bringing in terrible stuff into Germany.

00:13:37.060 And we asked the Germans to shut down the airline. 0.98

00:13:39.680 They wouldn't do it.

00:13:40.480 And we finally had to go.

00:13:41.780 And I had to say to Chancellor Merkel, we're going to have to warn Americans that if you travel to Germany on an air flight, you need to be realizing that this is a very risky situation because there's an Iranian airline coming in and bringing in bad stuff. 1.00

00:13:59.620 And so as soon as we used that tool, that that said a lot to the government and they changed their ways and they barred Mahan Air.

00:14:08.560 I'm suggesting that there are other tools that we can use throughout the U.S. government, Treasury Department, Agriculture, Commerce, State Department.

00:14:18.800 There are other tools to get wheeling home.

00:14:21.640 All right.

00:14:21.740 Let's shift gears in the time we have, which is the Twitter files.

00:14:24.220 They continue to come out via Matt Haiby, Barry Weiss, Michael Schellenberger now as well, working to expose what Elon Musk has found since he lifted up the roof and took a hard look at what was going on in the Twitter engine.

00:14:37.780 And it's ugly.

00:14:38.440 It's a disaster in there.

00:14:40.520 The second there's been a couple of additions.

00:14:42.480 But what Barry Weiss essentially reported is contrary to the congressional sworn testimony of Jack Dorsey, the former Twitter CEO, they have been shadow banning people.

00:14:53.100 And lo and behold, it's conservatives.

00:14:56.120 It's people like Dan Bongino.

00:14:57.740 It's Charlie Kirk.

00:14:59.080 It's Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, who we first put on this show in the spring of twenty twenty one when he was being banned and not platformed by anybody.

00:15:06.940 I'm very proud of that, by the way.

00:15:08.340 He says we were the first major interview that that had him on.

00:15:12.220 He even he was banned.

00:15:14.380 He was secretly being placed on a trends blacklist, which prevented his tweets from turning.

00:15:19.540 What did Jay Bhattacharya do?

00:15:20.680 He basically said, let's do focus protection for people.

00:15:23.320 Let's make sure we focus on the elderly and the people who really need quarantine as opposed to kids. 1.00

00:15:27.440 And they banned him, not to mention Bongino, Kirk and others.

00:15:30.160 Just to take a walk down memory lane, Rick, here is Jack Dorsey in sworn testimony denying that Twitter does this.

00:15:38.820 It's twenty eighteen.

00:15:39.660 So for.

00:15:41.500 Mr. Dorsey, welcome.

00:15:42.740 Thanks for being here.

00:15:43.620 I want to read a few quotes about Twitter's practices, and I just want you to tell me if they're true or not.

00:15:51.160 Social media is being rigged to censor conservatives.

00:15:55.220 Is that true of Twitter?

00:15:56.800 No.

00:15:58.480 I don't know what Twitter is up to.

00:16:00.580 It sure looks like to me that they're censoring people and they ought to stop it.

00:16:05.060 Are you censoring people?

00:16:06.780 No.

00:16:06.980 Well, Twitter shadow banning prominent Republicans is bad.

00:16:13.000 Is that true?

00:16:14.220 No.

00:16:16.300 He better hope that what they just revealed in these files started after that testimony, because that could be problematic for him.

00:16:23.880 And it's just problematic on such a bigger level, Rick, in terms of what this massive social media company.

00:16:29.060 And I guarantee you it's not just Twitter has been doing to half of the country to spokespeople or prominent voices for half of the country.

00:16:38.300 Yeah.

00:16:38.580 I mean, look, my own anecdotal evidence shows me that Instagram does the same thing all of the time.

00:16:45.220 It's ridiculous what's happening on Instagram.

00:16:47.740 So, you know, Congress needs to go after this.

00:16:50.480 We just need to fight.

00:16:52.160 This is packaged as a freedom of speech issue.

00:16:56.460 And shame on the D.C. media who have been cheerleaders for silencing conservatives and silencing dissenting voices.

00:17:07.420 Sometimes they're not even conservatives.

00:17:08.800 I'm outraged that we have a platform that lied to us about what they were doing, pretending to spin the whole thing as, you know, we're the guardians against fake news.

00:17:23.080 And they turned out to be people who were censoring the truth and promoting fake news.

00:17:30.720 This is a scandal of epic proportion.

00:17:32.960 And there's only one way that it continued.

00:17:36.980 And that's because the media did not push back and check against this.

00:17:41.260 They sat in the back and they were cheerleaders for this process. 0.83

00:17:44.060 And there's a lot of reporters who cover Twitter, who cover the media, who should be apologizing today and scrambling.

00:17:53.300 And there's editors across the spectrum in Washington, D.C. that should be making wholesale changes.

00:17:59.480 But they're not.

00:18:00.240 And until we get a media that's going to push back against these scandals, including the weaponization of power by powerful people in government in Washington, D.C., it's going to get worse.

00:18:14.060 We need we need the media.

00:18:15.940 We need the check and balance.

00:18:17.500 They're the ones who are supposed to stand up to the powerful and they're not doing it.

00:18:20.420 The media didn't think it was a problem that The Post was suppressed on its Hunter Biden reporting.

00:18:28.300 They supported it.

00:18:29.360 The media certainly supported the kicking of President Trump off of Twitter.

00:18:34.180 They loved it.

00:18:34.760 That's another piece of the reporting from Per Schellenberger.

00:18:37.980 And now that this all comes out, the media says, Jan, there's nothing to see here.

00:18:42.820 Oh, and by the way, Elon Musk is in a bunch of trouble.

00:18:45.060 He's not actually cracking down on child pornography.

00:18:47.820 Meanwhile, the facts are exactly the opposite.

00:18:49.140 They continue to come up.

00:18:50.860 In fact, according to Elon, he's they've actually gotten more aggressive against child porn than the entire history of Jack Dorsey's tenure.

00:18:58.420 See, you know, never mind the guy who came after him.

00:19:01.160 So the media decides to say there's no story here because we chose not to cover the first time.

00:19:05.600 And now that we're being exposed to, there's really no story.

00:19:08.260 And by the way, Elon Musk is terrible.

00:19:09.880 And here's a bunch of made up stories about him.

00:19:11.400 That's I mean, you can take it to the bank.

00:19:12.960 You've seen it done a million times.

00:19:14.480 Yeah.

00:19:14.880 And I think it's really important to name names and to call people out specifically rather than just the media.

00:19:19.480 So let me name two.

00:19:20.800 One, Dana Bash at CNN.

00:19:22.940 Her husband was one of the people that signed the were 51 former intelligence intelligence officials who signed the letter saying that Hunter Biden's laptop was Russian disinformation.

00:19:34.080 It wasn't what we know is there wasn't a single piece of raw intelligence that suggested that this was a politicization of the the issue three weeks before the campaign.

00:19:45.620 They did this for politics.

00:19:48.260 And Dana Bash has a responsibility to ask the person that she's sleeping with whether or not he had accurate information or if he signed a letter that manipulated the election that interfered with the presidential election. 0.73

00:20:02.280 She's on TV every single day.

00:20:04.560 Why isn't she asking her husband about this profound public policy issue that we're all talking about?

00:20:11.260 The other person is Maggie Haberman at The New York Times, who covers everything that Donald Trump does, except she's not covering the Elon Musk revelations about Donald Trump.

00:20:22.140 Why?

00:20:22.880 Because she's playing one side.

00:20:25.320 And that's what we have to guard against.

00:20:27.440 That's what we have to out.

00:20:28.800 And that's what we have to fix.

00:20:30.600 Wow.

00:20:30.760 So Miranda Devine, who's done great reporting on all of this, she's the one of The Post who had the original story on Hunter Biden.

00:20:38.900 And she has a piece out for data yesterday.

00:20:41.880 The media silence on the Twitter files is shameful.

00:20:43.840 She points out, citing Media Research Center, NBC, CBS, ABC devoted a total of zero minutes of the Twitter files.

00:20:51.900 NBC's disinformation reporter Ben Collins' contribution to the tweet was a yawn emoji.

00:20:59.860 Of course, he's completely bored.

00:21:02.960 Washington Post, democracy dies in darkness.

00:21:05.580 Not so interested in shedding any light on this.

00:21:07.980 New York Times, same.

00:21:09.900 They've moved on.

00:21:10.840 They're trying to wormhole the story so that it goes away and they don't look bad.

00:21:15.600 And without people like us, that's that's what's going to happen.

00:21:19.140 So thanks for coming on and talking about it with us.

00:21:21.460 And we'll stay on it.

00:21:22.720 And also, you know, what's going to happen in this Russia situation?

00:21:26.060 What about Paul Whelan?

00:21:27.160 We don't talk about the people we've left behind enough.

00:21:30.360 Great to see you, Rick.

00:21:31.820 All of us.

00:21:32.400 OK, by the way, I should mention Matt Taibbi and Barry Weiss will be here on this program on Wednesday.

00:21:39.500 That's exciting.

00:21:40.740 OK, when we come back, my thoughts on the new Netflix Harry and Meghan, quote, documentary,

00:21:46.680 plus author Tom Bauer, who wrote the book Revenge about her, is here.

00:21:52.780 Quick clarification for you now.

00:21:54.240 Dana Bash was previously married to Jeremy Bash, who did sign the Hunter Biden laptop disinformation letter.

00:22:01.380 But my producers tell me that Dana and Jeremy actually divorced back in 2007.

00:22:07.340 So they have not been together in a while.

00:22:09.480 We'll be right back.

00:22:14.240 Well, I've seen it.

00:22:16.580 Harry and Meghan's tell all or at least tell what you think makes you look good.

00:22:21.400 And those are three hours I will never get back.

00:22:24.040 What a boring, uninspiring, interminable waste of time.

00:22:27.940 Believe it or not, this couple is still complaining from the Montecito mansion with their two beautiful,

00:22:35.060 perfectly healthy children, a little chicken coop and flower garden out back, matching Uggs for Meghan and her toddler.

00:22:41.900 All royal titles still intact, complete with matching stationery and nearly 200 million dollars in the bank,

00:22:48.260 thanks to their insatiable desire to finally tell their story.

00:22:53.640 Like to Oprah and on Spotify and a New York magazine and in a memoir.

00:22:58.340 And, well, you get the point.

00:23:00.040 They have to do it, you see, because no one knows the whole story.

00:23:05.580 No one.

00:23:06.220 This has always been so much bigger than us.

00:23:09.840 No one knows the full truth.

00:23:12.580 We know the full truth.

00:23:14.980 The institution knows the full truth and the media know the full truth because they've been in on it.

00:23:18.340 OK, so Harry and Meghan know and the entire royal family knows and the press who informs the public, they know.

00:23:26.960 And the guy at the Sunoco, he knows and the waiter at Olive Garden, he knows, too.

00:23:30.220 And that's all.

00:23:30.880 That's all that knows.

00:23:31.980 No one else knows the full truth.

00:23:34.240 So they have to finally tell it.

00:23:36.420 OK.

00:23:37.380 And what is their chief complaint?

00:23:39.420 Pray tell.

00:23:39.880 It appears to be that the press has occasionally been not nice to Meghan Markle after months of ubiquitous, fawning coverage, coverage that made her a household name.

00:23:51.720 Some then said nasty things like calling her the C word and the B word and the other B word.

00:23:58.020 And you know what, Meg?

00:23:59.520 Been there.

00:24:00.900 Quick reminder.

00:24:03.280 Meghan Kelly's really biased against me.

00:24:06.340 Do you really think she can be fair at a debate?

00:24:08.560 Which set off a new torrent of tweets.

00:24:10.900 80,000 tweets directed towards Meghan Kelly.

00:24:14.260 Vokative broke it down to see what the most popular words were.

00:24:18.900 Crazy Meghan Kelly. 0.95

00:24:20.040 Crazy. 0.99

00:24:20.720 Overrated. 0.99

00:24:21.700 Bimbo. 0.99

00:24:22.240 Ugly. 0.98

00:24:22.720 Bimbo. 0.99

00:24:23.280 Scank. 1.00

00:24:23.860 Slut. 1.00

00:24:24.100 Booker. 0.99

00:24:24.680 Can't watch Crazy Meghan anymore.

00:24:26.960 Donald Trump and his arch nemesis, Meghan Kelly, are making peace.

00:24:30.460 Signs of a truce this morning between Trump and Trump.

00:24:32.460 Their feud apparently diffused.

00:24:33.820 You met with Meghan Kelly today.

00:24:36.200 How did that go?

00:24:38.560 Ah, good times.

00:24:41.900 And let me tell you what I've learned.

00:24:44.180 Over time, the nastiness dies down and you learn to rise above.

00:24:50.140 You learn to look at your beautiful life and to focus on that.

00:24:54.000 Not what strangers write about you in the press.

00:24:56.620 The sun keeps rising in the east and your loving life goes on.

00:25:00.220 No matter what people tweet or print about you.

00:25:03.940 As King Charles once said, and I know you've seen this because it's in your series, you let this stuff take hold of you at your peril.

00:25:11.880 If you don't try to work out in your own mind some kind of method for existing and surviving this kind of thing, you would go bad, I think.

00:25:22.340 Obsessing over the negative pieces for five plus years is another way to go constantly playing the victim despite the enormous gifts you've been given.

00:25:32.240 But this is not healthy, nor is it particularly attractive and newsflash.

00:25:38.060 It has the added effect of making people dislike you, thus feeding the demand for even more negative press.

00:25:45.200 The people this pair is asking to feel sorry for them, have their own problems, real ones.

00:25:54.240 They live paycheck to paycheck for the most part.

00:25:56.580 They have kids in public schools where they worry about depression or drugs and crazy teachers.

00:26:01.920 They work all day.

00:26:03.360 They're tired.

00:26:04.340 They need a vacation that they're probably not going to get.

00:26:06.500 And they don't have a closet full of designer dresses, never mind stylists surrounding them for major black tie events, as we see in this piece.

00:26:14.320 They live in small houses or maybe an apartment.

00:26:17.440 They keep a watchful eye on the rising gas and electric bills, the cost of groceries as they try to save for college and still give their kids a nice Christmas.

00:26:26.280 Too often they're dealing with health issues or dependency or unexpected layoffs.

00:26:30.200 And they certainly don't give a damn about the mean tweets being sent out about the Duke and Duchess of Sussex.

00:26:38.100 One thing I did find interesting was the amount of emotional baggage Harry still carries.

00:26:44.320 It's big.

00:26:45.620 Good gracious is this man insecure.

00:26:47.940 Partly because he's a ginger.

00:26:49.960 Yes, wait for it.

00:26:51.520 And partly because he clearly has not worked out the trauma of his mother's premature death.

00:26:56.820 Time and time again, I said to myself while watching this, this guy needed therapy.

00:27:02.320 Not the weird tapping thing he did.

00:27:04.360 A real psychotherapist.

00:27:06.260 That is what he needed. 0.98

00:27:07.700 Not a whiny, woke, annoying wife. 0.99

00:27:11.260 Listen to him describe how his family allegedly reacted when he introduced them to Meghan.

00:27:18.680 I remember my family first meeting her and being incredibly impressed.

00:27:23.640 Some of them didn't quite know what to do with themselves.

00:27:25.240 Because I think they were.

00:27:28.000 They were surprised.

00:27:29.140 Maybe surprised that a ginger could land such a beautiful woman and such an intelligent woman. 1.00

00:27:34.620 That's not his family.

00:27:36.480 That's him.

00:27:38.060 And he's not wrong.

00:27:39.600 Does anyone really think if he were Harry Jones instead of Harry Windsor, this beautiful, semi-known social climber would have given him the time of day?

00:27:48.340 It is a bit shocking that she's with him.

00:27:50.880 Until you consider his title, fame, family, money, sort of, castles, staff, and access to fabulous things and people.

00:27:58.980 Well, that's what lured her in, clearly.

00:28:01.900 Not Harry's red hair and not his Mensa IQ either.

00:28:06.800 Just kidding.

00:28:07.300 That's not a real thing.

00:28:08.160 Remember when he called the First Amendment bonkers?

00:28:09.900 This is no scholar.

00:28:11.460 All of this is a downside of being a prince, I guess.

00:28:15.260 And not even the heir, just the spare.

00:28:18.180 Honestly, though, it's probably also a downside of being a Gates or a Jobs or a Zuckerberg or a Beckham or a Brady.

00:28:24.280 But it does explain why she so easily leads him around now by his little red puppy dog ears.

00:28:32.880 Top that off with her damsel in distress routine every time a tabloid or a tweet or an anonymous Internet troll says something nasty about her. 1.00

00:28:41.340 And you have the perfect cocktail for frustration, tears, and eventually Megxit.

00:28:48.120 Here's Harry explaining how he was not going to let this become Diana 2.0.

00:28:52.500 I accept that there will be people around the world who fundamentally disagree with what I've done and how I've done it.

00:28:59.680 Who's that?

00:29:01.120 But I knew that I had to do everything I could to protect my family.

00:29:05.740 Hey, Grandma.

00:29:08.200 Yeah.

00:29:09.720 Especially after what happened to my mum.

00:29:12.380 Yeah.

00:29:13.900 That's your grandma, Diana.

00:29:16.440 Yeah.

00:29:17.280 You know, I didn't want a history to repeat itself.

00:29:18.840 That's a sweet moment between the baby and the picture of his grandmother, who he will never know.

00:29:25.860 But first of all, the press hasn't done anything to Megan remotely approaching what happened with Diana, which I'll get to in one second.

00:29:33.240 But did he really promise her, Harry?

00:29:35.240 Did he really promise Megan he would protect her from the press?

00:29:38.100 In Botswana, out in the bush, when an elephant came by their tent, they tell us he promised to keep her safe.

00:29:47.360 And now the occasionally mean reporters, they're the paper elephant.

00:29:53.300 It was so overwhelming.

00:29:54.800 A British prince and his American sweetheart.

00:29:57.560 He said, OK, well, then I'll just treat it like we're in the bush.

00:30:00.480 We're like, it's all foreign to me.

00:30:02.080 But I trust that you'll keep me safe and you'll get me through it.

00:30:06.680 Aw, so sweet. 0.95

00:30:08.960 And such an empty, asinine, absurd promise, which they both knew could never be kept. 0.95

00:30:15.200 Because you know what? 0.91

00:30:16.420 I'm part of the press and we don't answer to Prince Harry.

00:30:20.260 He does not control us, scare us or really even get to shape our coverage at all.

00:30:24.880 He certainly doesn't have any power over what American journalists or citizens write or say, which Markle knows very well as an American actress.

00:30:33.880 But even in Great Britain, where the palace may be able to influence some coverage, they do not control the media.

00:30:40.360 Otherwise, Prince Andrew would still be a working royal and we wouldn't know how much he'd like to hang out with pervert Jeffrey Epstein.

00:30:47.020 The series also makes clear the roots of Harry's newfound annoying wokeness.

00:30:52.260 Yes, it's his wife, his wife's influence for sure.

00:30:56.200 But he is also tormented, apparently, by that time he wore the Nazi uniform for Halloween when he was 20, complete with a swastika on his arm.

00:31:05.580 Says it was one of the worst mistakes of his life.

00:31:08.020 But wants us to know now that he met afterward with a rabbi and a Holocaust survivor.

00:31:13.400 Because, like, he didn't know that Nazis were bad before that? 0.83

00:31:17.220 Bad job, Eaton.

00:31:18.360 Hello?

00:31:18.560 Since then, you see, however, he has done the work tackling his unconscious bias, which he wants the rest of his family and Britain to do, too.

00:31:30.240 Because you're either part of the problem or part of the solution.

00:31:33.980 OK, babe?

00:31:34.940 And newsflash, Brexit supporters, you are part of the problem.

00:31:39.400 If you go back and look at the social media of that moment, immigration is at the absolute centre of those debates.

00:31:49.080 And immigration is very often, in this country, a cipher for race.

00:31:55.240 Everybody should feel concerned about illegal immigration. 0.99

00:31:58.800 We don't know who these people are.

00:32:00.240 Get back to Africa! 1.00

00:32:02.260 Send them back to Africa! 1.00

00:32:03.340 So the EU commissioned a report in 2016, exactly the same time that our relationship became public.

00:32:19.020 It warned that if the government isn't going to do something or if the media aren't going to sort themselves out,

00:32:25.940 that a cultural war that had already existed, was going to become huge and become a real problem.

00:32:37.020 It was a perfect storm that gave credence to jingoism and nationalism,

00:32:43.220 and gave people with really horrible views of the world a little bit more strength and confidence

00:32:52.160 to say what they wanted to say, to do whatever they wanted to do.

00:32:55.940 To be clear, if you supported the UK asserting its independence and leaving the EU,

00:33:03.220 according to the moralists of Montecito, you are racist.

00:33:08.280 You drove them out of the royal family.

00:33:10.560 Looking at you, Nigel Farage, you are to blame for Brexit and, apparently, for Mexit. 0.97

00:33:17.120 Unlike you racist, Brexiting Brits, 0.87

00:33:21.100 Harry gives not a thought now to people's race. 0.94

00:33:24.400 He is over it.

00:33:25.940 Unless they're his kids, in which case he's super excited to share.

00:33:30.440 My son, my daughter, my children are mixed race.

00:33:34.340 And I'm really proud of that.

00:33:37.520 Wait, is that okay?

00:33:39.580 Are we allowed to be saying now how proud we are of our children's race?

00:33:44.220 Because I'm pretty sure if a white person said that about their white kids,

00:33:47.660 you'd be calling them racist, H, do better.

00:33:52.440 Race is, of course, an ongoing theme of this so-called documentary and of this couple's woke life.

00:33:58.500 Meghan's race is allegedly the reason why people came to loathe her, you see. 1.00

00:34:02.920 And the race of those doing the reporting is the reason they're racist and keep doing racist things like not liking Meghan.

00:34:09.360 We have to recognize that this is a white industry. 0.77

00:34:15.260 So people who come up with these headlines, they are doing so in a newsroom that's almost entirely white. 0.74

00:34:21.980 And they get to decide whether something has crossed the line of being racist.

00:34:27.680 You see, the documentary lays it bare.

00:34:31.640 By the way, can we really call it that, a documentary?

00:34:35.180 It wasn't exactly fact-based.

00:34:37.780 Seemed more like one of those inspired by a true story than an actual true story.

00:34:43.220 Like most of these streaming documentaries, it wasn't produced or directed by a journalist.

00:34:48.420 It was created by a woke Hollywood filmmaker who used to direct The Handmaid's Tale.

00:34:52.560 And Liz Garbus' failure to adhere to journalistic standards is quite undermining of her piece.

00:35:00.600 A journalist would not have used five shots unrelated to Harry and Meghan to show press harassment of them.

00:35:06.980 A journalist would not have suggested a war by the press while showing a picture the couple blessed and cooperated with.

00:35:14.740 That would not be ethical.

00:35:16.180 A journalist would not have aired this thing without making sure that his or her attempts to get comment from the palace were repeated and clear and well-documented, none of which happened here.

00:35:28.240 A journalist would not have allowed Meghan to smear the BBC as doing an orchestrated reality show interview for their engagement without seeking comment from the BBC,

00:35:39.020 which has since denied the charge and accused the filmmaker of misleading editing.

00:35:43.980 A journalist might have felt duty-bound to point out that while Meghan was urgently messaging her dad about her wedding, she was coordinating with Palace PR.

00:35:54.920 These were not loving messages from a concerned bride-to-be.

00:35:58.500 This was defensive PR by a woman obsessed with her media coverage. 1.00

00:36:04.160 All of this came out in one of her many lawsuits against the UK press.

00:36:07.240 Guess this documentarian forgot to document that.

00:36:10.700 The fallout with her dad caused lasting damage.

00:36:15.660 In one of the more shocking moments of the film, H describes it this way.

00:36:21.080 She had a father before this, and now she doesn't have a father.

00:36:25.560 And I shouldered that.

00:36:27.960 Because if Meg wasn't with me, then her dad would still be her dad.

00:36:34.920 She doesn't have a dad.

00:36:38.700 What a farce.

00:36:40.320 She does have a dad.

00:36:41.820 He raised her and loved her and paid for her college and never asked for any of this attention.

00:36:48.260 He screwed up in dealing with a paparazzi, staging photos of himself, getting ready for her wedding, reportedly in exchange for cash.

00:36:56.860 Not good.

00:36:58.260 But unforgivable?

00:36:59.500 One mistake after a lifetime of loving and supporting her?

00:37:04.320 You know who doesn't have a dad?

00:37:06.380 Me.

00:37:07.320 And millions of others out there who would kill to have just one more Christmas with them.

00:37:11.720 Just one more chance to hug them or spend time with them and put any BS misunderstandings behind us.

00:37:19.260 Her dad has had two heart attacks and a stroke.

00:37:22.160 He lives just a few hours away from her, but now he's dead to them because he didn't deal well with the paparazzi.

00:37:28.360 He's ghosted.

00:37:29.400 I guess Harry's her daddy now.

00:37:31.840 And Harry, whose dad is also alive and well.

00:37:35.020 Oh, and also the King of England, who could probably use some nice press about him right now.

00:37:39.680 He's just started his reign.

00:37:41.240 And Harry's message to him?

00:37:43.400 My mother was all heart and I am my mother's son.

00:37:47.900 And also, I'm the only one in this family who married for love.

00:37:50.780 I think for so many people in the family, especially obviously the men, there can be a temptation or an urge to marry someone who would fit the mold as opposed to somebody who you perhaps are destined to be with.

00:38:09.480 The difference between making decisions with your head or your heart.

00:38:13.700 And my mom certainly made most of her decisions, if not all of them, from her heart.

00:38:21.540 And I am my mother's son.

00:38:24.100 I guess the sweet music is meant to soften it.

00:38:26.740 Okay.

00:38:27.740 So your dad raised you without your mom from age 12.

00:38:31.000 But hey, he wouldn't keep the cash flowing when you quit working for the royal family.

00:38:34.800 So I guess he can pound sand too.

00:38:36.580 Megan also makes clear, just in case you were wondering, Kate and Wills, super formal, not just in public, but in private too.

00:38:43.820 Stiff as a board, actually.

00:38:45.380 Unlike the very warm and delightful hugger, Megan.

00:38:48.440 He's so fun to share stories.

00:38:51.240 As for the matter of Diana's death and the cloud that looms as a result, Harry appears to me to be looking for a kind of do over.

00:38:59.260 If he can manage the press for Megan and get a better result, maybe he'll feel better about what happened to his mom.

00:39:06.220 Psychologists are well aware of this phenomenon.

00:39:08.960 But Megan is not Diana. 0.84

00:39:10.640 And she is not getting hounded by the press in any way close to the way Diana was.

00:39:16.820 Other than a few paparazzi hanging around outside of Megan's house in Canada when their relationship first was made public,

00:39:24.080 the only paparazzi shown bothering her is one guy on a scooter in New York City in a scene that remains my very favorite of the entire series so far.

00:39:35.260 Look at these drama queens. 1.00

00:39:38.700 Do we have that pap on the scooter again?

00:39:40.840 Yes, ma'am.

00:39:41.240 Oh, we do.

00:39:41.900 Same guy?

00:39:42.680 Same guy.

00:39:43.620 Oh, my God.

00:39:44.180 I watched him go into this park and then...

00:39:46.060 Is he going to be with us?

00:39:47.500 Yes, sir.

00:39:47.960 He was just ahead.

00:39:48.740 There's a lot of people who think they've got such a problem with paparazzi.

00:39:56.800 Yeah, there was the guys in the basement of the building, too, as we were doing that walk.

00:40:01.220 We were recording, too, just so you're aware.

00:40:04.500 Back in my mom's day, it was physical harassment. 1.00

00:40:09.340 You know, cameras in your face following you, chasing you.

00:40:15.740 She's following us.

00:40:17.140 Who?

00:40:17.960 This pap. 0.68

00:40:18.480 Well, the worst case scenario, so safety first.

00:40:20.660 Worst case scenario, we're going from one garage to another.

00:40:23.060 Like, it's...

00:40:23.580 Safety first.

00:40:28.000 It's one guy on a Vespa.

00:40:30.300 What are you worried about?

00:40:31.460 He's going to deliver some flowers in a newspaper to you?

00:40:34.840 But this is so on brand for these two. 0.82

00:40:36.960 A ridiculous overreaction to an absolute nothing burger that they then use to paint themselves as victims,

00:40:43.780 and doubly so when no one reacts with the horror they expect.

00:40:46.880 Harry is still miffed.

00:40:48.860 His family did not do more to protect his provincial, innocent, doe-eyed bride. 0.72

00:40:53.500 You know, the one Tom Bauer says spent the months before she met Harry trying to find someone rich and famous to marry.

00:40:58.620 And who, according to her friends, love to set up paparazzi shots of herself. 0.68

00:41:04.760 The direction for the palace was, don't say anything.

00:41:08.740 No comment.

00:41:09.520 Everyone just say no comment.

00:41:11.360 But what people need to understand is, as far as a lot of the family were concerned,

00:41:16.140 everything that she was being put through, they had been put through as well.

00:41:20.040 So it was almost like a rite of passage.

00:41:22.240 And some of the members of the family was like, right, but my wife had to go through that.

00:41:27.180 So why should your girlfriend be treated any differently? 1.00

00:41:29.720 Why should you get special treatment?

00:41:31.640 Why should she be protected?

00:41:32.660 And I said, the difference here is the race element.

00:41:37.940 There it is again.

00:41:39.160 Her race.

00:41:40.320 That's the game changer.

00:41:42.120 She deserves special treatment because of her skin color. 1.00

00:41:46.120 Is that how it works, by the way?

00:41:47.100 The press has an obligation to go easy on black or mixed race subjects.

00:41:51.620 Tell it to Clarence Thomas, Larry Elder, Herschel Walker, Yay West, Will Smith.

00:41:55.520 I could go on.

00:41:56.080 In America and in the U.K., the press cuts everyone, everyone with power, privilege or

00:42:03.580 a platform, at least people who seek the spotlight are going to get it, the good and the bad.

00:42:10.220 It's not nice, but it is the world in which we live, the cost of a free press.

00:42:14.980 And yes, it's worth it.

00:42:17.620 There have been a few nasty racial comments about Meghan and even some about Archie, a reporter

00:42:23.140 at the BBC compared their baby to a monkey. 0.94

00:42:26.540 Horrible.

00:42:27.320 And he was promptly and rightly fired.

00:42:30.240 Harry says Maura was required of the palace.

00:42:33.160 But what?

00:42:34.420 Fired is fired.

00:42:35.600 And the vast majority of comments they mention in this piece, and there are not many, are

00:42:40.040 either a one off from a tabloid or a comment from online no names. 0.98

00:42:45.440 Why is it the palace's role to stifle stupid comments on the Internet or in the media, even 1.00

00:42:51.580 if they could, even if they could? 0.99

00:42:53.460 The U.K. has actually passed laws to make things safer for royals dealing with the press

00:42:58.760 in the wake of Diana's death.

00:43:01.220 These two have more protections from the media and paparazzi over there than they do here.

00:43:05.920 But no institution can stop the churn and burn of news of the tabloids.

00:43:11.000 The best one can do is learn to ignore it.

00:43:15.260 Harry suggests so far, without evidence, that the palace was actually planting hit pieces

00:43:19.980 against him and his wife.

00:43:22.340 That's unfortunate, but again, unproven.

00:43:25.520 And frankly, may have been fair play, given this pair's behind the scene antics, bullying

00:43:31.660 and constant playing the victim.

00:43:34.600 Remember when they went to Africa and Meghan complained in the midst of such poverty and

00:43:38.280 suffering that no one was asking how she was doing?

00:43:43.320 Meghan and Harry have a great life.

00:43:45.480 I'm happy for them that they got away from a situation that was not working for them.

00:43:49.160 If only they would now simply live that life without the constant lecturing and judging

00:43:55.240 and petty complaining.

00:43:57.880 The queen, who had a keen sense of public perception, had a simple rule for her family. 0.98

00:44:04.100 Never complain, never explain.

00:44:07.000 It keeps the royals a bit mysterious and avoids some controversy.

00:44:11.180 We are finding out from Netflix why that rule was so important.

00:44:15.080 The more these two talk, the more we recoil.

00:44:19.480 We desperately miss the mystery.

00:44:23.760 Joining me now, Tom Bauer, author of Revenge, Meghan, Harry, and the War Between the Windsors.

00:44:30.820 Tom, great to have you back in the program.

00:44:33.000 What do you make of it all?

00:44:35.060 Well, you summarized it very well, Meghan.

00:44:37.560 It is nauseating and it was boring.

00:44:40.040 But I think one element which needs to be remembered is that Meghan was very, very popular in Britain

00:44:46.840 when they first engaged and the wedding was an unbelievable high point in Britain's history

00:44:52.640 that year, in 2018. 0.96

00:44:54.440 It all began to sour when they became so hypocritical. 0.54

00:44:58.680 When she went to New York for a baby shower that cost half a million 0.86

00:45:02.920 and she claimed while she flew on a private jet that she was an environmentalist.

00:45:07.640 When she denied the public sight of Archie when he was born, but they gave an exclusive to CBS.

00:45:14.880 When she began complaining to the palace officials in a way which was characterized as bullying.

00:45:21.180 And all the time, the public was giving her the benefit of the doubt until it became intolerable. 0.99

00:45:28.100 She was not only hypocritical, but she was dishonest. 0.98

00:45:31.660 And that is really when it all fell apart. 0.98

00:45:34.740 And of course, when she gave her letter to her friends who passed it on to People magazine,

00:45:41.440 the letter to her father, which was clearly intended for public consumption, which was just filled with lies.

00:45:49.300 Then I think the public decided that Meghan was after her own interests and had none of the interests of the royal family or Britain at heart. 0.85

00:45:57.440 And she really cast herself as a celebrity to return to Hollywood and was not prepared to be a member of the royal family.

00:46:06.200 And it's at that point she lost not only public support, but the British media support.

00:46:12.620 You're absolutely right.

00:46:13.700 I mean, I've I've joked on the show before.

00:46:15.460 Here's my here's my Meghan and Harry mug.

00:46:18.080 Believe it or not, I have a Meghan and Harry mug from their wedding when I went to cover it.

00:46:22.820 And so I was there. I saw the love for her amongst the British people.

00:46:27.120 They absolutely adored her and not just the people, the press, too.

00:46:31.220 Yes, there's always going to be a couple who are nasty or say negative things.

00:46:34.520 That's life. But the overwhelming majority of coverage and comments about her were absolutely fawning. 0.99

00:46:42.360 But we're supposed to just forget all of that because these two go scroll through the comments section.

00:46:47.700 Literally, there was a statement by him eight days after the relationship was announced, referencing the comments section of some online Internet sites to try to find anything negative.

00:46:58.900 And then they blow it up into representative of the full coverage.

00:47:04.280 Well, I think you've got to bear in mind that Harry is not very intelligent and is emotionally insecure and has never really understood Diana at all.

00:47:13.060 When Diana died, he was 12 and he's never really tried to understand that Diana was not killed by the media.

00:47:20.100 Diana fed the media. I mean, she'd given Andrew Morton a secret interview to provide his book.

00:47:26.060 She'd given the BBC an interview to the Panorama interview, which was explosive.

00:47:31.260 She kept on calling paparazzi photographers to tell them where they could get a good angle of her. 0.73

00:47:36.400 So the idea that Diana was not totally in cahoots with the media is ridiculous.

00:47:42.040 And of course, she didn't die in Paris because of the media.

00:47:45.560 She died because she wasn't wearing a safety belt while she was driven by a drunken driver at a reckless speed.

00:47:52.420 And Harry doesn't want to understand that because of one factor.

00:47:56.580 Meghan has played him brilliantly.

00:47:58.660 All his other girlfriends got fed up with a manic depressive who drank too much, who was boisterous, and had paid no attention to them, the women.

00:48:06.940 And Meghan comes along deliberately looking for a rich, famous man, and in the end cultivated him.

00:48:15.360 In the end, she created what she wanted, and he simperingly obeys her.

00:48:22.040 So he walked right into it.

00:48:24.260 And her acting history, I think, helped her.

00:48:26.580 Let me pause you there, Tom.

00:48:28.060 So I'll squeeze in a quick ad, and then I want you to pick up that thought.

00:48:32.040 We'll also play the new trailer in which they launch new allegations.

00:48:35.040 My guest today is Tom Bauer, author of the book Revenge.

00:48:42.280 And if you want a scintillating read, go here.

00:48:45.980 Read this.

00:48:46.860 I both read it and listened to the audio, and it was absolutely riveting.

00:48:50.400 And it's got a lot of fact bombs in there that will contradict a lot of what you're being told by this pair in this so-called documentary.

00:48:58.140 For one, Tom, before I get to their new trailer, for one, she wants us to believe she was having her single-girl summer. 0.56

00:49:06.100 She was not interested in meeting a man at all.

00:49:09.800 And then, now we get a different story.

00:49:11.520 It was originally, oh, they were set up on a blind date.

00:49:13.820 Now it's, we met over Instagram.

00:49:15.520 But either way, the, I was not interested in being set up, was not true.

00:49:20.900 Well, of course it's not true.

00:49:21.720 I mean, Meghan was on a manhunt in London since 2013.

00:49:25.820 She came repeatedly looking for an Englishman because she thought they were much nicer than Americans.

00:49:30.520 And there's a whole string of actresses and journalists she met who testified to her request.

00:49:35.540 But, of course, the Instagram story, I've seen the original photograph.

00:49:38.800 It shows Meghan next to Violet from Westenholtz, the person she asked at Wimbledon to set her up with Harry.

00:49:47.260 So, again, she's lying there.

00:49:48.680 What happened was the Instagram photograph was the photograph that Violet, the intermediary, sent to Harry with a picture of Meghan.

00:49:59.020 Meghan having asked Violet for an introduction.

00:50:04.100 There's nothing true in Meghan's story.

00:50:08.700 That was a small issue, but it's very telling.

00:50:12.680 Wow.

00:50:13.300 Oh, right.

00:50:13.620 Because the way they tell it in the documentary is he was just scrolling through his Instagram and he follows some person who's close to the royals, I guess.

00:50:20.480 And there was Meghan in her cute little dog ears and dog. 0.68

00:50:24.060 I don't know.

00:50:24.340 She has some some sort of filter on.

00:50:26.600 And he was like, what?

00:50:27.660 But you're saying she had orchestrated that, too.

00:50:30.320 She like she is a manipulator. 1.00

00:50:32.540 Well, yes.

00:50:34.460 And the point is, in the whole photograph, it has Violet, the intermediary, next to Meghan, who's also wearing a snoopy nose.

00:50:43.180 The whole thing was part of the setup, but it wasn't the beginning of the setup.

00:50:47.340 I mean, that's the point.

00:50:48.800 This guy, he has I mean, does he have any idea?

00:50:50.760 Is he as clueless as he appears?

00:50:52.900 Or do you think he has any sense of what he's actually married and how she's orchestrated this whole thing?

00:50:59.620 I don't think he has any sense.

00:51:01.180 But worse than that is that his disloyalty to his family.

00:51:04.540 I mean, he is so treacherous towards his father and to his brother and to Kate and also the memory of the queen.

00:51:12.440 I mean, you just had to look at his face as he saw Meghan in that curtsying, which she did in the first series.

00:51:21.080 Totally exaggerated, totally outrageous, because that isn't, of course, how she curtsied at all. 0.84

00:51:27.440 And he just sits and listens.

00:51:27.920 Tom, can I interrupt you?

00:51:28.680 Can I interrupt you?

00:51:29.420 I want to show the viewers that, people who are watching us on YouTube, and then you can resume.

00:51:34.300 This is her from the series showing the exaggerated curtsy she now claims she did when she met the queen. 0.84

00:51:42.440 Americans will understand this.

00:51:44.980 We have medieval times, dinner and tournament.

00:51:47.340 It was like that.

00:51:48.200 Like, I curtsied as though I was like...

00:51:58.640 Pleasure to meet you, Your Majesty.

00:52:01.880 Like, was that okay?

00:52:04.980 Go ahead.

00:52:06.520 Well, I think, you know, clearly that was rehearsed several times by the Hollywood director

00:52:11.660 before they got the right take, and it's completely untrue.

00:52:15.160 She would never have done that, and he was apparently at a lodge in Windsor Park. 0.92

00:52:19.180 I mean, it's ridiculous.

00:52:20.760 But the real problem for Harry is that he's cut himself off completely from Britain. 0.53

00:52:25.540 Meghan doesn't care. 1.00

00:52:27.060 But Harry should care, because it's terrible what he's done to his family.

00:52:32.100 But, of course, it gets much worse, because what your viewers don't understand is that the series also attacked the Commonwealth,

00:52:39.460 which are 56 nations for nearly all of them part of the former British Empire,

00:52:44.960 which voluntarily have joined together, that's nearly a third of mankind, to improve the world.

00:52:51.520 And amongst them are Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore.

00:52:55.480 And they're cast as racist as well by that historian who you featured in the series.

00:53:02.720 And that is just terrible, because the Commonwealth was the Queen's great pride and joy.

00:53:08.900 And Meghan and Harry trash it.

00:53:11.720 And that is unforgivable.

00:53:12.820 Yeah, this episode, too, goes over the British Empire, slavery, racism, and the privilege of the royal family.

00:53:19.780 Again, as I mentioned, the talking points, they blame Megxit on Brexit and the racists in Great Britain

00:53:24.420 who had the temerity to want Britain's independence back. 0.98

00:53:27.680 All racists, all anti-immigrant, all anti-black. 0.92

00:53:31.880 And I mean, just like these allegations alone, I can see finally why people would say they should be stripped of their royal titles, 0.97

00:53:37.000 because to allow this guy, who clearly can't stand Great Britons, to maintain his title, and never mind her, is an insult.

00:53:45.180 It's a real insult now to the people who he's smeared.

00:53:48.780 Well, absolutely. I mean, clearly they should lose their titles.

00:53:51.680 But of course, the royal family has a much bigger problem, which follows Thursday's series,

00:53:56.460 which, of course, is Harry's book.

00:53:58.340 And that's going to regurgitate and add a lot more to the fuel to the fire. 0.99

00:54:03.440 And I think the only way is not only to strip them of their titles, but in the end,

00:54:07.640 to break the Queen's dictum of don't explain, don't complain.

00:54:11.640 And probably for William to say that what Harry is describing is completely untrue,

00:54:16.860 and that he really needs to go back to a shrink and have his head examined 0.96

00:54:21.680 why he's behaving in this completely ridiculous and awful manner. 1.00

00:54:25.900 It's truly like a family of robotic, loveless, evil racists. 0.99

00:54:35.820 That's the image these two want to paint of the royals versus themselves, 0.63

00:54:41.480 the huggers, the bird watchers, the baby snugglers,

00:54:45.680 as if Kate and William don't have a million home photos of themselves snuggling their babies.

00:54:50.400 They just don't release all of that to the public.

00:54:52.520 I'm sure they're just as warm as any other parent when it comes to their children.

00:54:56.460 But it's these two who are trying to draw a line between the two.

00:55:01.140 And, Tom, now, today, we get trailer number I don't know what.

00:55:05.900 But they're promoting the second edition of their Netflix series.

00:55:09.680 It comes out this Thursday, three more hours.

00:55:11.820 Good God, help me.

00:55:13.640 And this one seems to tee up exactly where they're going.

00:55:17.160 Here it is.

00:55:17.720 I wonder what would have happened to us had we not gone out when we did.

00:55:22.720 Our security was being pulled.

00:55:24.160 Everyone in the world knew where we were.

00:55:26.040 I said, we need to get out of here.

00:55:30.780 We are on the freedom flight.

00:55:35.220 To see this institutional gaslighting.

00:55:38.840 I wasn't being thrown to the wolves.

00:55:40.580 I was being fed to the wolves.

00:55:41.860 They were actively recruiting people to disseminate disinformation.

00:55:46.800 They were happy to lie to protect my brother.

00:55:50.160 They were never willing to tell the truth to protect us.

00:55:52.740 Prince Harry and Meghan Markle.

00:55:54.440 The rogue royals.

00:55:56.720 They just wanted to be free.

00:55:59.300 They wanted to be free to love and be happy.

00:56:02.700 I applauded that.

00:56:03.580 In order for us to be able to move to the next chapter, you've got to finish the first chapter.

00:56:08.520 It gave us a chance to create that home that we had always wanted.

00:56:16.320 I've always felt as though this was a fight worth fighting for.

00:56:24.300 Wow.

00:56:24.900 What do you make of that? 0.62

00:56:26.460 Well, he's brainwashed.

00:56:28.260 But Meghan was very clever. 0.98

00:56:29.660 I mean, don't think for a moment that she's not convincing quite a lot of people,

00:56:35.020 especially in America and in Africa and the Caribbean and elsewhere,

00:56:40.720 that somehow she was thrown to the wolves.

00:56:43.080 Of course, that's completely untrue because she had all the time Scotland Yard protecting her

00:56:48.660 and all the time people speaking on her behalf.

00:56:52.660 So it's a complete lie that she's perpetuating.

00:56:55.840 But I do think they're convincing.

00:56:57.740 I think that people will believe this confection produced by Hollywood.

00:57:02.340 But the point that I really think is important to put to them is,

00:57:05.660 and to Netflix for creating this farage of lies,

00:57:09.440 is who is they?

00:57:10.880 Who actually threw them to the wolves?

00:57:13.940 Who actually was not prepared to tell the truth on their behalf?

00:57:17.900 I mean, it's complete fiction.

00:57:19.640 It's worse than a fiction.

00:57:20.820 It's actually damaging and corrosive.

00:57:22.400 Because in that case you mentioned, which Meghan brought in London against the tabloids,

00:57:28.880 it's quite clear that her staff in Buckingham Palace were doing everything they could to help her,

00:57:35.080 were doing everything they could to lie on her behalf.

00:57:38.540 That is what's so astonishing.

00:57:40.360 And of course, she lied when she told the British High Court that she had not cooperated in telling her own lies,

00:57:47.300 that it was all a mystery to her.

00:57:49.000 And that's what's so terrible, that the more she lies, the more credibility she's getting.

00:57:54.820 And that's thanks to Netflix and the Hollywood producers.

00:57:58.060 We are going to hear who they are, as outlined in that trailer, 100%.

00:58:04.100 And they've already telegraphed.

00:58:05.880 They is the royal family.

00:58:07.780 In the first three series, Harry comes out and says,

00:58:10.100 oh, there's the leaking of stories, meaning by the palace, that the press wouldn't be the leakers.

00:58:15.620 It's the it's the the principles, the royal family leaks and also the planting of stories.

00:58:21.980 And he is absolutely getting ready to say in this next three episodes that the palace and its staffers,

00:58:27.960 courtiers, whatever, were planting negative stories on him and her.

00:58:30.900 That's what she means, I think, clearly by they threw me to the wolves or they fed me the wolves.

00:58:34.500 By the way, it's the same thing that they were going to be the dumping ground

00:58:38.980 for negative stories while William and Kate were protected and that they were not protected.

00:58:44.300 In fact, to the contrary, negative hit pieces were planted on them by their own family.

00:58:48.840 So how is the palace likely to deal with that?

00:58:52.720 Well, it was great difficulty because, of course, they're lying. 0.94

00:58:55.540 They themselves created the bad press by behaving so irrationally and so hypocritically,

00:59:01.220 like, for example, refusing to visit the queen in Balmoral on the grounds that Archie was too young to fly

00:59:07.440 and then flying off to meet George Clooney in the Mediterranean and Elton John.

00:59:15.120 I mean, they are the cause of their own bad publicity and the bad stories.

00:59:19.960 They created them by their dishonest performance.

00:59:25.180 But the real problem is that I don't think silence will silence them anymore by the royal palace.

00:59:30.900 The royal palace is going to have to come out and give their version because the only way the Sussexes can earn their living

00:59:39.640 is by carrying on regurgitating their moans and complaints and lies.

00:59:45.320 And the only way for the palace in the end to silence it is to give a version of the truth.

00:59:50.760 However much I can say that the Sussexes are not telling the truth, that will not silence them.

00:59:57.220 It'll have to be something very, very simple, but effective.

01:00:02.260 And I think William is the mouthpiece for the royal family and he needs to talk soon.

01:00:08.280 What do you make of the relationship now between these brothers?

01:00:10.480 I heard you on with Dan Wooten on GB News saying Diana would be horrified at what her one son is doing to the other,

01:00:16.720 not to mention to King Charles now at the beginning of his reign.

01:00:20.220 I mean, he's really trying to sabotage the whole thing from the look of it.

01:00:23.160 What do you make of the relationship between the boys?

01:00:25.320 It's a tragedy. And of course, it's very, very damaging.

01:00:28.320 It's very damaging for Britain's reputation across the world because the one thing which everyone associates with Britain is the royal family.

01:00:36.340 But you see, the point is that this is Meghan's plan all along, was that she had to be famous.

01:00:41.840 And when she discovered that the royal family is led by the queen and not by Meghan, that is when she decided she was getting out.

01:00:52.940 And now she is setting herself up as the queen of Montecito.

01:00:56.840 She is setting herself up as the person who will speak on behalf of the exiled royals.

01:01:02.040 And she doesn't care how much damage she's creating, because after all, remember how she's treated her father, how she's treated her first husband, how she treated her best friends from school. 0.96

01:01:12.080 She is a person who is totally destructive when it comes to promoting herself. 1.00

01:01:16.640 So I think there's a lot more bloodshed to come in this battle.

01:01:20.380 And of course, the relationship between Harry and William is one of the casualties.

01:01:24.220 Even how she treated her own niece, which is documented to some extent in this film, they bring up her niece, Ashley, who is the daughter of her Meghan's estranged half sister, Samantha Markle, who may be familiar to the viewers.

01:01:41.220 They don't get along, Samantha and Meghan.

01:01:43.440 Meghan says they never had a relationship.

01:01:45.000 She doesn't know why this woman's all over the press commenting about her now. 1.00

01:01:47.720 Samantha says they used to be close.

01:01:49.080 And there's a picture of the two of them as recently as Meghan was twenty eight, seven years old and says she dumped Samantha when she started to become famous and got together with Harry.

01:01:57.640 In any event, Meghan had a relationship with Samantha's daughter, who Samantha did not raise Samantha's parents.

01:02:04.240 I don't know.

01:02:04.920 Somebody else raised the daughter.

01:02:07.740 The niece got invited to the wedding originally or was going to get invited to the wedding.

01:02:14.120 They became close.

01:02:14.900 Meghan and the niece actually wound up having a relationship.

01:02:17.040 And I'll tell you, Tom, my husband, I made him watch this with me because we were together.

01:02:21.160 He's watching them talk about how she reached out to the niece and they went on trips together.

01:02:25.720 He said, oh, well, this you know what?

01:02:26.800 This is nice.

01:02:27.680 This is a good piece.

01:02:28.520 I said, yeah, this is nice.

01:02:30.020 And then, of course, boom, the hammer drops.

01:02:32.800 The niece got told, you're not coming.

01:02:35.620 You're not coming to the wedding.

01:02:36.780 And here's how they explain it.

01:02:37.960 Saw 29.

01:02:38.380 How do we explain that this half-sister isn't invited to the wedding, but that the half-sister's daughter is?

01:02:47.060 And so, with Ashley, the guidance at the time was to not have her come to our wedding.

01:02:56.700 I was in the car with H.

01:02:58.180 And I called her and I had her on speakerphone and we talked her through what guidance we were being given and why this assessment was made.

01:03:04.800 And that's painful.

01:03:12.320 I think I said I was hurt on some level, but I understood where it was coming from.

01:03:21.080 And to know that it was because of my biological mother that this relationship that's so important to me was impacted in that way.

01:03:41.860 To feel like because of her it was taken away has been hard.

01:03:48.280 So, Tom, this is supposed to make the royal advisers look like heartless, evil people instead of Meghan.

01:03:56.940 Yeah.

01:03:57.560 Well, look, first of all, I would love to see all the outtakes of that interview until she finally gave the tears they wanted.

01:04:03.920 That was a rehearsed interview of absolutely no credibility at all.

01:04:08.460 Secondly, the reason that she wasn't brought up by her mother was, of course, that the mother suffers from a terrible handicap. 0.99

01:04:14.320 She's in a wheelchair and is near paralyzed.

01:04:17.380 So she couldn't.

01:04:18.460 And the marriage with her father broke up.

01:04:21.240 But thirdly, of course, the palace absolutely, and I believe them, denies that Meghan was told not to invite her niece.

01:04:28.160 That the palace quite rightly said Meghan chose all her guests.

01:04:32.400 And the reason she didn't want her niece there is quite simple.

01:04:35.420 She didn't want any members of her family there, even from Doria's side.

01:04:39.440 There were lots of family from Doria's side who expected to be invited, too.

01:04:44.340 And the reason was quite simple.

01:04:46.660 Meghan did not want them telling the other guests the truth about her background.

01:04:51.480 She wanted her mother to stay silent, and the mother did. 0.66

01:04:55.200 And she didn't want anyone to say what Meghan had got up to and what the father got up to and all the other things in their youth.

01:05:02.420 And the mother has a lot to hide, believe me.

01:05:05.080 And she didn't want the niece telling anybody what Doria's past was.

01:05:11.620 So it's not true.

01:05:13.020 But, of course, what Meghan did invite were all the people she didn't know, like George Clooney, Oprah Winfrey, and all the other Hollywood stars who were going to help her career.

01:05:21.320 Right.

01:05:21.480 And now she wants us to believe, oh, it's all the palace that made me disinvite her.

01:05:25.420 Most of us would have said, I'm inviting my niece.

01:05:27.240 I don't care.

01:05:27.760 The tabloids, they're going to write what they're going to write.

01:05:29.740 If I want her there, I love her.

01:05:31.400 She's coming.

01:05:32.100 Period.

01:05:32.740 And by the way, they interestingly avoid the subject of it's been, what, four or five years since the wedding.

01:05:37.960 Right.

01:05:38.160 It was about 2018.

01:05:39.060 It's been four plus years.

01:05:40.900 Are they back together?

01:05:42.100 Does she still see the niece?

01:05:43.260 Because they weren't together.

01:05:44.080 I didn't see any nice shots of the two of them after the evil palace got its hands out of the relationship.

01:05:49.480 It doesn't appear that they've resumed anything close to her relationship, even though she's back in California now.

01:05:55.240 OK, absolutely.

01:05:56.540 And what's very important, what's very important about this marriage is that quite uniquely, no guest list was ever published.

01:06:05.540 Normally in Britain, when the royals get married, there's a guest list published in newspapers.

01:06:10.580 At Meghan's request, that list was not published.

01:06:13.180 And there was a reason for that.

01:06:15.140 She didn't want to draw attention to the fact that none of her family, other than her mother, was coming.

01:06:22.300 And the mother wasn't even allowed to bring a friend. 0.63

01:06:24.860 So the idea that she was going to invite the niece was nonsense.

01:06:28.080 She used that interview, very carefully controlled interview and filming by the director,

01:06:34.740 to make it clear how evil not only her sister, Samantha, was,

01:06:39.740 who in the end told the truth about Meghan right at the very beginning, but also attacked the palace.

01:06:45.280 And I think the palace officials one day will want to tell the truth about how they've been bullied and lied to by Meghan herself. 0.97

01:06:53.480 As we go into this week and the upcoming drip, drip, drip, drip of trailers and then the release on Thursday of part two,

01:07:01.740 what should people know?

01:07:02.800 Because these two seem to be getting ready to say the palace controls the press.

01:07:07.600 The negative press coverage about Meghan can be directly linked to the palace.

01:07:12.720 The press does what the palace tells them.

01:07:14.920 And if the palace needs stories buried, they get buried.

01:07:17.700 If the palace wants stories amplified, even if they're untrue, but reflect negatively on someone they don't like,

01:07:24.980 the press will be the lapdogs they get paid to be.

01:07:28.740 And by paid, I mean they get the label of royal expert, royal correspondent.

01:07:33.020 They say that in part one.

01:07:34.860 Harry says that.

01:07:35.560 So is that true?

01:07:37.940 Well, it's completely untrue because I can tell you for writing my book,

01:07:41.840 which has masses of disclosures about the horrors of Meghan and Harry, a lot of new material,

01:07:47.800 I got not only no help from the palace, but not even replied to my email asking if they'd like to help me.

01:07:53.160 So the idea that the palace controls it is complete nonsense.

01:07:57.060 In fact, the palace has done its best to suppress the truth because all the allegations by the staff of Meghan

01:08:03.920 and bullying them has been investigated by the palace, but the report is buried.

01:08:08.500 They won't publish the truth about Meghan.

01:08:11.620 And that is my complaint, that there's like lambs to the slaughter.

01:08:15.780 They're letting Meghan and Harry have a free run.

01:08:18.580 So the idea that the palace somehow controls the press, Meghan should provide the proof. 0.86

01:08:25.060 It is all the time they say they. 1.00

01:08:26.860 They're very stupid, Meghan and Harry. 1.00

01:08:28.800 They really, they've been given a free run by Netflix. 1.00

01:08:32.360 Netflix have behaved, to my dismay, disgracefully, in giving them a free run of peddling their lies.

01:08:38.340 And unfortunately, as they well know, the palace has got a habit of not reacting.

01:08:44.260 But the media too.

01:08:45.780 They haven't provided the name of a single journalist who has written a nasty story, an unfair story, an untrue story about them.

01:08:54.580 Everything is smear.

01:08:56.420 Everything is anonymous.

01:08:57.920 And it is really appalling that Netflix have put this stuff out.

01:09:01.400 Well, you see, when you watch the series, one of the first things that pops up on the screen is produced by Archwell Productions.

01:09:08.860 So she and he are producing it.

01:09:10.640 They have a producer label and therefore editorial control.

01:09:14.420 And so is it any surprise that there's no pushback on any of this?

01:09:18.780 This is not a documentary.

01:09:20.280 What's very interesting to me, Meghan, is this, that they have provided 15 hours of their own home videos, which are just filled with loving pictures of themselves.

01:09:29.540 But they didn't allow Netflix into their home to really get the honest, candid, what I imagine would be a proper fly on the wall documentary.

01:09:39.160 They kept Netflix out.

01:09:40.900 They have controlled Netflix.

01:09:42.900 And that's quite astonishing because I was convinced that they would be there filming warts and all.

01:09:49.380 But Meghan has her great strength, her genius in a way, is to control the narrative.

01:09:55.260 She makes Goebbels, the great Nazi propagandist, look like a child.

01:10:01.540 She has managed.

01:10:02.660 Okay, that's the bridge too far.

01:10:04.880 She has managed to humble Netflix into doing her bidding.

01:10:09.440 I don't think I've seen anyone else in America or around the world who has been such a weak combat partner as Netflix has to Meghan.

01:10:21.300 She has succeeded in a way which is quite remarkable.

01:10:24.200 That's what upsets her is when she cannot control the narrative.

01:10:28.500 That's what this entire thing is about.

01:10:30.320 It's the entire thing.

01:10:31.260 What are they mad at?

01:10:32.280 What horrible thing happened?

01:10:33.960 They got bad press.

01:10:35.840 And sometimes it was really nasty.

01:10:37.800 Hello.

01:10:38.620 We've all been there.

01:10:40.040 Grow up.

01:10:41.160 They think they're alone in this life as a public figure.

01:10:44.240 I'm here to tell you they're not.

01:10:46.100 I showed that clip of what happened with me and Trump just to give you a flavor.

01:10:50.260 But good God, if you went past that point in time to when I was at NBC and so on.

01:10:54.860 Yes, I understand what it's like to have somebody try to destroy you.

01:10:57.480 It's unpleasant.

01:10:58.440 But most of us in the public eye understand it's the unfortunate downside of being in the limelight.

01:11:03.180 It will pass head down, shoulders back, move forward.

01:11:07.660 Never have I seen such a whiner who thinks she can control an entire group of people and professionals in the UK and Canada and the United States because she doesn't like what they're saying. 0.99

01:11:18.080 And I don't know what happens with the British press corps and the royals.

01:11:20.660 I believe you what you say.

01:11:22.060 But I can tell you one thing for sure.

01:11:23.600 No one's ever tried to control me.

01:11:25.040 I don't know anybody at the palace.

01:11:26.340 I don't have any of those connections.

01:11:27.340 And I'm going to say whatever the hell I want to about her, because over here we do have the First Amendment. 1.00

01:11:31.900 It's not bonkers.

01:11:33.000 My opinion is protected.

01:11:34.520 And I, unlike these two, remain factual, as does Tom Bauer.

01:11:39.580 Tom, I'll give you the last word.

01:11:41.720 Well, I think she wanted the spotlight.

01:11:44.060 She told her father when she was seven years old and they came out of a cinema that she wanted to walk on the red carpet for the rest of her life.

01:11:52.080 And she got the spotlight.

01:11:53.180 She got the spotlight and she wants to control the spotlight on her terms. 1.00

01:11:57.880 And that is why programs like yours are critical to actually puncture the bubble and to tell the truth.

01:12:04.680 Well, well, Tom, thank you very much.

01:12:06.460 You've been a leader in that your whole career.

01:12:08.080 So it's a pleasure to have you on.

01:12:09.720 Thanks for joining us today.

01:12:11.020 And coming up, two first time guests are going to join me.

01:12:13.700 These are Brits, too, the young ladies. 0.57

01:12:15.600 And they've got some thoughts on Harry and Meg's or, as they call each other, H and M.

01:12:21.360 Um, that's even more annoying than my husband.

01:12:24.220 She got even more annoying. 1.00

01:12:25.740 H, H.

01:12:26.920 Stand by.

01:12:31.840 Our next guests are British commentators, Sophie Corcoran and Leilani Dowding.

01:12:36.720 Ladies, welcome to the program. 0.99

01:12:37.720 Great to have you here.

01:12:38.400 So let me pick it up where I touched on with Tom Bauer, which is her saying and him saying the reason they needed to do this Netflix documentary, again, in quotes, is people just they have to tell their story.

01:12:52.620 Nobody knows their story.

01:12:53.700 And as Megan put it, people need to finally understand who they are.

01:12:59.840 They need this glimpse.

01:13:01.320 Stop 23.

01:13:02.700 When you feel like people haven't gotten any sense of who you are for so long.

01:13:08.980 It's really nice to just be able to have the opportunity to let people have a bit more of a glimpse into what's happened and also who we are.

01:13:16.640 No, no one's gotten a glimpse.

01:13:19.580 This is this is our first.

01:13:20.800 OK, Leilani, I like call me crazy, but I've got I've had more than more glimpses than I want.

01:13:27.360 Exactly.

01:13:27.940 I mean, she did a reality show in the U. 1.00

01:13:29.820 A documentary in the U.K.

01:13:31.500 She did the Oprah interview.

01:13:33.640 What more do we have to see of her?

01:13:35.720 And we know already from how she speaks about William and Kate.

01:13:40.960 We know that she's not a genuine person anyway.

01:13:44.080 She was projecting.

01:13:44.940 She said, oh, I just can't believe how they are when I met them and how they are the same behind closed doors.

01:13:50.380 Well, that's how a lot of people are.

01:13:52.740 You know, it's what you see is what you get.

01:13:54.580 And and that's it.

01:13:55.480 So that was to me a kind of a sign of what she was projecting, that she's a very different person.

01:14:00.500 And she just had this thing that she had to keep showing us.

01:14:03.240 And if we don't get it the first time, she'll show it again.

01:14:05.800 And if we don't get it the second time, she'll try and show it again and show it again and force it down off roads. 1.00

01:14:11.360 But we still don't believe it, Megan, because, you know, I I just don't think it's her.

01:14:16.800 And you you will believe in it.

01:14:19.280 We see lie after lie and things are made up.

01:14:22.000 And, you know, they're there with three different cameras in their car looking around the paparazzi.

01:14:26.940 The we as viewers and no one's there.

01:14:29.640 No one's there.

01:14:30.600 This is my favorite scene of the whole thing.

01:14:32.280 I have definitely been chased by more paparazzi than these two have.

01:14:35.060 I mean, like this is absurd.

01:14:36.720 Oh, there's one guy in a scooter.

01:14:38.340 Oh, you're the Vespa.

01:14:40.800 It's embarrassing.

01:14:42.580 Well, we never saw him.

01:14:44.680 And it's funny, you know, that they're talking about this paparazzi and they're always getting followed.

01:14:49.660 And then it follows with montages of Diana and flowers being laid.

01:14:54.520 But, you know, that was all paparazzi in if it was paparazzi in America.

01:15:00.620 So why were they fleeing the UK?

01:15:02.600 What were they fleeing from?

01:15:03.840 Because, you know, it's there in America.

01:15:05.620 When we saw the press, I saw a headline from the National Enquirer.

01:15:09.520 I'm pretty sure that's an American magazine.

01:15:11.360 I saw these ladies on a daytime show making fun of how the Queen would act when they saw Meghan. 1.00

01:15:18.280 That was another American show. 0.92

01:15:20.240 So what is it about England and what was this whole setup in the first three episodes to paint England as this awful, racist, nasty country? 0.92

01:15:30.380 It's really true.

01:15:31.840 The piece that that Leilani was just referencing, Sophie, about where she weighs in on what Will and Kate are like behind closed doors is it's a masterclass in manipulation.

01:15:41.960 It really is.

01:15:42.840 Look how she sets herself up while just innocently commenting on how Will and Kate are behind closed doors.

01:15:49.360 Watch this, 24.

01:15:50.280 Even when Will and Kate came over and I had met her for the first time, they came over for dinner.

01:15:55.820 I remember I was in ripped jeans and I was barefoot.

01:15:58.380 It's like I was a hugger, always been a hugger.

01:16:03.220 I didn't realize that that is really jarring for a lot of Brits.

01:16:08.240 I guess I'd started to understand very quickly that the formality on the outside carried through on the inside.

01:16:17.120 That there is a forward-facing way of being.

01:16:21.420 And then you close the door and you go, oh, great.

01:16:24.940 Okay, I can relax now.

01:16:26.220 But that formality carries over on both sides.

01:16:29.900 And that was surprising to me.

01:16:33.740 Sophie?

01:16:35.220 Well, this woman is just a master manipulator. 1.00

01:16:37.640 It's the entire reason that they left the royal family in the first place.

01:16:40.540 They constantly banged on about saying we want privacy.

01:16:43.060 We want privacy.

01:16:44.300 Well, I don't think a six-part Netflix series is privacy, nor is an Oprah interviewer.

01:16:48.480 What she really wanted was control.

01:16:50.780 Because she is a manipulator. 1.00

01:16:52.280 She wanted to be able to manipulate people.

01:16:54.120 She couldn't manipulate the press in the UK.

01:16:56.460 That's why she was angry.

01:16:57.760 She couldn't force people to write the stories that she wanted them to write.

01:17:00.940 So, therefore, she left to get privacy so that she could write the stories in her own perspective.

01:17:06.040 This entire documentary has stemmed from a hatred and a jealousy of Kate.

01:17:11.720 That is the reason this entire thing exists.

01:17:14.720 And the entire problems with the royal family and Harry and Meghan exist.

01:17:18.080 She cannot stand Kate because Kate is beautiful.

01:17:21.440 She is elegant.

01:17:22.620 And she is going to be queen.

01:17:24.220 And she is the centre of attention.

01:17:25.640 And Meghan will never be the centre of attention.

01:17:27.700 And they speak about, in this documentary, about the formality.

01:17:31.060 Well, no, you know, no surprise.

01:17:32.820 It's the royal family.

01:17:34.380 And there's a hierarchy in this family.

01:17:36.480 Well, again, no surprise.

01:17:37.660 It's the royal family.

01:17:38.460 And she perpetuates this narrative for the entire documentary of, I didn't know what I

01:17:42.580 was getting myself into.

01:17:44.120 Well, whose fault is that?

01:17:45.680 Yours.

01:17:46.520 Because this is the royal family.

01:17:48.460 It's not some irrelevant family sitting in Alaska.

01:17:50.820 Like, everybody knows what the royal family do.

01:17:53.000 They know how it works.

01:17:53.940 No one believes that. 1.00

01:17:55.040 No one believes that stupid claim that she didn't know what she was getting herself into. 1.00

01:17:59.040 I've played this. 0.99

01:17:59.780 Piers Morgan came on my show after the Oprah interview, and we talked about this.

01:18:02.520 But I queued it up for you gals. 1.00

01:18:03.880 Now we have video.

01:18:04.860 I don't show my kids on TV because, unlike these two, I actually don't want to exploit them.

01:18:09.300 But I'll show you this video.

01:18:11.060 My daughter, Yardley, her face has got a gray square over it, so you can't see her.

01:18:15.760 But you can hear her, and you can see her gestures.

01:18:18.180 And this is my daughter, Yardley.

01:18:20.080 This is like a few weeks before I went over to cover the royal wedding.

01:18:23.100 And I was just explaining to her, Mom's going to be away for a week.

01:18:25.660 I'm going to cover this royal wedding.

01:18:26.660 And she had heard about it in school, and she understands the basics.

01:18:29.060 And she had just turned seven.

01:18:30.760 I think she was either late six or early seven in this video.

01:18:34.400 Everyone understood what Meghan Markle was getting herself into. 0.98

01:18:37.260 And here is the proof.

01:18:38.680 Sock 21.

01:18:40.580 Why would someone want to live in a royal family?

01:18:43.240 They boss you around.

01:18:46.720 It's like you go to a whole different country, and they have to boss you around. 0.57

01:18:52.200 Like, you have to eat with your left hand.

01:18:55.600 You have no choice.

01:18:56.900 You have to.

01:18:58.880 And I don't think that's fair.

01:19:01.460 Because they planned out your whole life for you.

01:19:05.260 And you already have your life perfectly in New York City.

01:19:10.140 That's true.

01:19:10.960 And then you go to England, and surprisingly, you don't like your life because someone else

01:19:16.680 makes your choices.

01:19:18.220 And it's not fair.

01:19:20.120 I totally agree with you.

01:19:22.880 I love what you said, Yards.

01:19:25.300 Thanks.

01:19:29.220 Adorable.

01:19:29.660 Even a six-year-old could see it coming.

01:19:33.880 Well, this is a thing.

01:19:34.900 I think, you know, even a child could see, and I think Meghan could see.

01:19:38.620 But then again, we see that Meghan has this obsession with Disney princesses. 1.00

01:19:42.280 You know, we're always hearing about her, talking about, you know, the Disney girl that

01:19:48.280 got her voice back, Ariel, right?

01:19:50.620 And then she wants to be compared to Diana, which is diametrically opposite, because Diana

01:19:54.940 didn't use her voice.

01:19:56.560 Diana used her ears.

01:19:57.720 Diana listened and listened.

01:19:59.840 And that's what people loved about her.

01:20:02.080 But Meghan had this Disney idea of what a princess is, and thinking it's all going to be, you

01:20:06.960 know, red carpet events, and like a Kardashian reality show, and the best designer clothes.

01:20:11.680 And what she maybe didn't realize, that it was going to be duty.

01:20:15.800 And she would have to go to parts of the country that she might not like, that weren't glamorous,

01:20:20.220 cut a tape, speak to people, but listen to what these people had to say about their lives.

01:20:26.440 Listen to what they were going through, about the work that they were in, not being lectured

01:20:31.640 about net zero and green energy by Meghan Markle.

01:20:34.960 You know, Meghan would have to listen.

01:20:36.400 So maybe that bit, she didn't realize she would have to do.

01:20:39.720 But as far as curtsying to the Queen, come on, I mean, she was supposed to have done a degree 0.99

01:20:46.700 in international relations or international studies.

01:20:49.380 You know, you curtsy to the Queen, you bow when you're in Japan.

01:20:52.660 There's certain things in certain countries that are marks of respect.

01:20:57.100 And if you have done studies in international relations, then she should know that.

01:21:01.840 And as if Harry wouldn't have said, here's how it's done.

01:21:05.160 Like, he may not curtsy.

01:21:06.920 I don't know what he does to the Queen, but I'm sure he's seen a curtsy of 10,000 times.

01:21:10.360 But I think that you ladies are underestimating the sacrifice this poor woman made during her 0.99

01:21:15.260 stint over in your country.

01:21:16.740 I give you, for example, the fashion.

01:21:18.980 Look what this poor girl had to go through. 1.00

01:21:20.500 Stop 28.

01:21:21.020 Most of the time that I was in the UK, I rarely wore color.

01:21:28.620 Yeah.

01:21:31.400 There was thought in that, to my understanding.

01:21:35.420 You can't ever wear the same color as Her Majesty if there's a group event.

01:21:39.440 But then you also shouldn't be wearing the same color as one of the other more senior members

01:21:44.080 of the family.

01:21:46.220 So I was like, well, what's a color that they'll probably never wear?

01:21:50.860 Camel, beige, white.

01:21:54.260 So I wore a lot of muted tones, but it also was so I could just blend in.

01:22:00.260 Like, I'm not trying to stand out here.

01:22:02.600 There's no version of me joining this family and trying to not do everything I could to

01:22:12.760 fit in.

01:22:14.260 I don't want to embarrass the family.

01:22:15.800 I can't look at the beige.

01:22:23.040 Sophie, come on. 0.97

01:22:24.800 That was wrong.

01:22:26.540 This entire documentary, I'm sorry. 0.96

01:22:29.380 It's just so pathetic. 0.83

01:22:30.820 I mean, we have one of the most privileged people in the entire world. 0.98

01:22:35.120 I mean, people in my country, we are literally like our homes are freezing.

01:22:38.840 We, you know, we're choosing between heating and eating.

01:22:41.040 There's a war in Ukraine.

01:22:41.880 And here we have the Duchess of Montecito crying about how hard her life is because she

01:22:48.280 had to wear beige.

01:22:53.220 She's not oppressed.

01:22:54.400 She's not a victim.

01:22:56.100 It's just nonsense.

01:22:57.660 I think what you said a second ago, Sophie, is interesting.

01:23:00.660 I saw somebody online say, I think it was tongue in cheek, but they said anybody who's

01:23:04.480 had a borderline personality disorder friend in their life understand what's what's happening

01:23:09.660 from Meghan Markle's perspective toward Kate.

01:23:12.340 Like, she does seem to be very focused on her to take any shots at Will and Kate in this

01:23:16.640 documentary is pretty extraordinary.

01:23:18.520 I mean, Harry used to be like their third wheel and they were very good to him.

01:23:22.540 She's been very kind to him.

01:23:24.400 Why would they be taking shots at Will and Kate?

01:23:27.040 You know, they're not responsible for this massive institution.

01:23:29.560 Not yet.

01:23:30.860 So she does seem to be obsessed with her because she raised her again in the Oprah interview

01:23:34.420 in a way that we were told was dishonest.

01:23:36.820 She to your point a moment ago.

01:23:38.760 That's interesting to me that you think this whole thing is is about her anger toward the

01:23:44.040 princess of Wales.

01:23:44.880 It's just pure jealousy against Kate.

01:23:48.320 This entire Netflix deal, the entire reason she came out of the royal family is because 1.00

01:23:53.040 she just cannot deal with the fact that there is another woman who is equally as beautiful,

01:23:57.480 who is a whole lot more classy and a whole lot more talented and just better fit for the

01:24:03.040 royal family than she.

01:24:04.460 And she cannot handle that.

01:24:06.140 And that's this is all coming out of jealousy and of rage. 0.98

01:24:10.220 And Harry's just sitting there and watching like a loser. 0.98

01:24:12.880 That's the thing, Harry. 0.95

01:24:14.120 By the way, I mean, Leilani, on the on the wardrobe front,

01:24:17.660 Meghan wore tons of color while she was over there in the UK and part of the royal family. 0.99

01:24:22.220 We have plenty of evidence of it.

01:24:23.860 And she, by the way, because I have crack producers, she wore tons of camel and black 1.00

01:24:28.940 and white prior to joining the royal family and after.

01:24:32.240 So I don't know what like this is just so classic her, you know, look, look at the sacrifices

01:24:36.180 I tried.

01:24:36.680 I tried so hard to fit in. 0.95

01:24:39.020 But those mean, stiff royals were feeding me to the slaughter. 1.00

01:24:44.420 You know, muted colors are also in fashion at the times, you know, a camel coat.

01:24:48.700 You're out in the countryside.

01:24:49.780 You'd wear something muted.

01:24:51.700 I mean, it's all for me.

01:24:53.040 And this is the whole thing.

01:24:54.240 It has been years and years of poor me, poor me, all about her, you know.

01:25:00.060 And then what she wants to do is blame it on racism and blame, you know, the palace, royalty, 0.98

01:25:06.780 then the media, and then actually the British people, which you see happening in episode

01:25:10.980 two, when she starts to try and say Britain's racist because of rouse over illegal immigrants,

01:25:16.720 not legal immigrants, illegal immigrants.

01:25:19.300 And it paints this picture for England, you know, and Britain being racist.

01:25:23.940 But when we go back to it, the reason people don't like her is because she has been all

01:25:28.560 about me, me, me, me, me.

01:25:30.020 And she thinks that she can relate to people.

01:25:32.320 Maybe she thinks, oh, it makes me more relatable if I have problems that I can complain about.

01:25:37.040 Because right now there is this whole thing of competitive victimhood that's going on, points for racism, points for being put on, points for being bullied.

01:25:50.100 So it's all to me, I think it's so much of it's made up, but she can play on these, like, victim points, compete with other, you know, not real victims of, like, abuse or anything, but she plays the victim.

01:26:02.240 And so for me, the turning point was when she was in South Africa and she was doing a tour.

01:26:06.860 She was at a home with very vulnerable girls.

01:26:10.380 And it was an ITV journalist that said to her, you know, Megan, how are you doing?

01:26:15.100 And she's like, no one ever asks if I'm okay.

01:26:18.180 And it's like, whoa, for me, that was like, hold on a minute.

01:26:21.760 You have not only money, but you also have a healthy child.

01:26:25.920 I think it was one at the time.

01:26:27.160 And a husband that loves you dearly, right?

01:26:30.500 And a mother that loves you.

01:26:32.260 And you're playing this for me, I'm a victim with real, you know, vulnerable people around you that you're supposed to be on tour with.

01:26:42.360 And I think that was a turning point for a lot of people when it became me, me, me, me, me, oh, poor me.

01:26:48.380 But then she'll blame it on racism. 1.00

01:26:50.160 And it's the weirdest, craziest thing.

01:26:53.920 Can I tell you, please go down this lane with me.

01:26:57.240 So I have a friend.

01:26:58.020 Her name is Joelle.

01:26:58.840 She's hilarious.

01:27:00.220 And forgive me because there's some foul language in here.

01:27:02.880 But I think she speaks for a lot of women who maybe aren't in front of the camera and watching this thing. 0.95

01:27:07.140 She writes, if Harry married me, I'd be effing on it. 0.98

01:27:12.920 I'd be everywhere, building goddamn schools, raising money for hospitals. 0.99

01:27:16.800 I would take it effing seriously and serve the effing people. 0.99

01:27:20.160 What the eff? 1.00

01:27:21.060 This insane, narcissistic bitch. 1.00

01:27:22.840 It's almost unbelievable. 1.00

01:27:24.500 I would take on literacy, diseases.

01:27:26.600 Forget it.

01:27:27.000 I'm serious.

01:27:27.620 I'm dead serious. 1.00

01:27:28.920 How stupid. 1.00

01:27:30.120 She says, Meghan Markle, get your ass out there and help the people. 1.00

01:27:33.940 And stop worrying if Amal Clooney is going to be at your baby shower or not. 0.99

01:27:37.320 It's absurd to me. 0.99

01:27:38.580 This is the platform of a fucking lifetime. 1.00

01:27:41.440 Get out there. 1.00

01:27:42.020 Keep your head down.

01:27:42.820 Do your effing job. 0.98

01:27:44.160 You vapid, privileged American. 0.98

01:27:45.900 B-word. 0.92

01:27:46.600 She's not a fan.

01:27:48.160 I may be the only person alive that dislikes her more than you do, MK. 0.70

01:27:52.600 Then she raises the point.

01:27:53.880 She's in Africa.

01:27:55.120 Africa.

01:27:55.720 There's no clean drinking water.

01:27:57.420 Civil war.

01:27:58.360 The kids don't have clothes.

01:28:00.080 And she says, but no one is asking me how I am.

01:28:04.100 What the everlasting F how you are?

01:28:08.020 She said, at least Angelina Jolie and Madonna go over there and feel so bad they end up adopting

01:28:12.180 a few of the children.

01:28:14.180 She's joking.

01:28:15.340 But I mean, this is how people feel.

01:28:17.100 This is how real people feel watching her stand over there and complain in the middle 1.00

01:28:20.240 of Africa, sitting in her Montecito mansion and complaining about her life. 0.72

01:28:25.460 Even the same as Britain, this woman would not have the platform, would not have the 1.00

01:28:29.260 fame, and neither would Prince Harry without the British people.

01:28:32.640 I mean, he's famous on the back and lives a rich lifestyle on the back of taxpayers' money,

01:28:37.640 British taxpayers' money.

01:28:38.680 So you can't come and tell me that you're oppressed by us.

01:28:41.100 And this idea that, let me get one thing straight.

01:28:44.260 The British people don't dislike Meghan Markle because we're racist. 0.98

01:28:47.300 We dislike her because she's not a good person. 0.97

01:28:49.940 And that is the bottom line of it.

01:28:51.680 Because if we were racist, when you go back to the wedding of Harry and Meghan, over 29

01:28:55.860 million people watch that wedding, and the streets, and I know because I was a young

01:28:59.520 girl at the time, I was in school, and we got a day off school, were literally filled

01:29:03.640 to the brim with people who were supporting Meghan and Harry.

01:29:06.960 And that would not have happened if we were racist.

01:29:09.140 The only reason why the British people changed their mind, we loved Meghan and Harry at the

01:29:12.960 beginning.

01:29:13.180 We changed our mind because she showed us who she truly was.

01:29:15.500 And she's not a good person. 0.77

01:29:17.380 And that is the bottom line.

01:29:18.400 They're not oppressed.

01:29:19.200 They're not victims.

01:29:20.540 They're not victims of racism.

01:29:22.140 They have got an incredible life as a result of the British people.

01:29:25.980 And they're not oppressed by us.

01:29:28.240 That's right.

01:29:28.800 I have my mug.

01:29:29.920 I was there.

01:29:30.660 I was with you, cheering them on in the streets.

01:29:33.040 I loved her.

01:29:34.140 I've got tons of tape talking about how excited I was about her.

01:29:37.340 It was them, their behavior that turned people on them.

01:29:40.580 And now in this piece, Leilani, they have this guy who works for their foundation who's

01:29:46.160 like, imagine, imagine the hell of them now having to go out there and perform for the

01:29:53.280 same press that tore down his mother that's been tearing down them.

01:29:58.360 Here's that.

01:29:58.940 Here's a bit of that.

01:29:59.620 His name is James Holt, Sot 22.

01:30:03.540 Imagine all of these people that have published horrible things about you, published horrible

01:30:10.420 things about your family, have published horrible things about your mother.

01:30:13.800 You've got to perform for them.

01:30:17.760 OK, all I could think was welcome to being a public figure.

01:30:23.920 How do you think Ivanka Trump ever speaks to any newspaper reporter?

01:30:29.520 Right.

01:30:29.860 How do you think Tom Cruise ever gives an interview, given all the stuff that's been said about

01:30:34.260 Scientology and his weddings and all that?

01:30:36.220 This is when you're a public figure, you get some positive press and you get a ton of negative

01:30:41.800 press.

01:30:42.780 And if you ever want another piece of positive press again, you have to deal with the snakes

01:30:48.080 who wrote the terrible things about you.

01:30:51.080 This is absolutely true.

01:30:52.620 You really do.

01:30:53.380 You know, I've done reality shows and I've been in the press.

01:30:56.040 And, you know, I remember my first thing I got told is today's newspaper is tomorrow's

01:31:00.340 chip paper.

01:31:00.940 It doesn't matter.

01:31:02.160 You know, don't take all don't listen to all the good publicity.

01:31:05.180 Don't listen to all the bad publicity.

01:31:09.440 Don't read it.

01:31:10.460 Throw it away.

01:31:11.340 Don't sit there and ponder over it.

01:31:13.040 Why she couldn't do that?

01:31:14.660 I do not understand for the life of me.

01:31:16.740 I mean, you cannot control the press.

01:31:19.060 And I know I've you know, Dan Wooden tweeted the other day that she actually before she met

01:31:23.380 Harry worked with the press a lot, you know, trying to increase her PR, even set up paparazzi

01:31:27.760 pictures.

01:31:28.240 He said on a tweet that he worked with them to do all that.

01:31:31.420 So then you can't you know, you're doing that if they turn on you a little bit, you

01:31:36.940 have to work it and try and get back in their good books.

01:31:40.460 But you can't take it all on and you cannot control the press.

01:31:43.960 They are their own thing.

01:31:45.060 They will do whatever they want.

01:31:47.200 And you cannot, you know, oh, I'm going to flee to America.

01:31:51.020 Well, the thing is, at least there were certain controls that the British press had with regards

01:31:56.640 to the royal family when she actually got in there.

01:31:59.040 So like you said, you have to take the bad, you have to take the good, you have to let

01:32:01.960 it go over your head and you don't control them.

01:32:04.800 And trying to control them is making it worse and worse and worse.

01:32:08.660 It is.

01:32:09.100 Because she keeps on trying to tell her story, but we heard her story.

01:32:13.480 And the more you try and repeat the same thing that you're a victim, you know, we're not

01:32:17.560 going to change our minds at this point.

01:32:19.780 That's right.

01:32:20.580 I mean, my like my friend Joelle, she is not a persuadable as we as we call it in voting.

01:32:25.640 Like she's not a person.

01:32:26.700 She's seen enough.

01:32:27.840 She's made her judgment.

01:32:28.580 And she speaks for a lot of people out there who have just had it.

01:32:30.860 You know, she's angry about it.

01:32:31.960 The woman has angered her with her narcissism and her inability to focus on anybody other 1.00

01:32:36.380 than herself.

01:32:37.300 Meanwhile, she's running around telling us she's she's as beloved as Nelson Mandela.

01:32:41.180 That's Meghan Markle's message.

01:32:42.940 And so the thing about Harry is he's out there saying, I don't care.

01:32:47.620 I don't care that Kate had to take it.

01:32:49.080 By the way, you know, there were nude photographs of Kate Middleton, not nude, but topless.

01:32:52.960 She was topless and the paparazzi got her. 1.00

01:32:56.120 You know, we've seen this happen with all of the royal family, all the stuff like the

01:32:59.080 Charles and Camilla phone call that was R-rated that got released.

01:33:01.840 The press does what the press is going to do.

01:33:04.660 But he says it's the racial element that raised the level of responsibility by the palace to

01:33:11.520 intervene on her behalf.

01:33:12.780 What do you make of that?

01:33:14.360 I mean, that's just categorically complete utter nonsense.

01:33:17.620 And then let's bring up Camilla.

01:33:18.800 Camilla got a horrid time when she came in the royal family. 1.00

01:33:22.520 Utterly, utterly horrid time, obviously, because of everything that was going on with Diana.

01:33:26.300 There was a lot of anger at the palace because of that.

01:33:28.500 And she has become a phenomenal royal.

01:33:31.320 She's actually one of the most popular royals because she earned it. 0.99

01:33:34.720 She kept her mouth shut.

01:33:35.860 She worked incredibly hard.

01:33:37.240 Meghan is acting, right?

01:33:38.540 She's getting criticism in the press as if she's not getting a life of complete, object, luxury, 0.59

01:33:43.840 millions of pounds, all of this jewellery she ever wanted, all of this protection that she had in the royal family,

01:33:49.280 courtesy of the British taxpayer.

01:33:51.240 Can I please remind you again, courtesy of the British people to get a bit of negative press.

01:33:58.100 And again, Kate has got it.

01:33:59.740 Camilla has got it.

01:34:00.480 But they've dealt with it properly.

01:34:01.740 She hasn't.

01:34:02.280 And it's almost as if she's trying her very hardest to keep continuing to get negative press.

01:34:08.220 I mean, nobody cares about the colour of Meghan's skin.

01:34:10.720 And as I said before, our problems with Meghan aren't about her skin colour.

01:34:13.880 It's about her attitude, her behaviour, and the way she's treated the Queen and the royal family.

01:34:18.420 She's not a victim.

01:34:19.280 She's an incredibly horrid person towards, you know, when Philip was dying,

01:34:23.140 she was tearing apart this royal family as the Queen was dying in her last few days. 0.98

01:34:26.920 And after she has died and the country has, you know, suffered a significant loss, she is still going. 0.99

01:34:32.380 She is just a horrible person.

01:34:34.000 In the documentary, she says, oh, but I got death threats. 0.84

01:34:37.420 She says, she talks about, then I got a death threat, so I got security.

01:34:40.140 And they talk about some anthrax scare that happened at one point.

01:34:43.200 Can I tell you that, too, is part of being a public figure?

01:34:46.000 Been there many times.

01:34:47.960 I've had to have armed guards follow me around for weeks.

01:34:50.540 It's not great.

01:34:51.680 I'm not recommending it to anybody.

01:34:53.120 I'm just saying this is not a function of racist Britons hating her.

01:34:59.420 This is a function of being a public figure in 2022.

01:35:03.360 That's life.

01:35:04.360 It's not ideal.

01:35:05.080 They did the right thing.

01:35:05.820 They got a security team.

01:35:06.920 She was protected.

01:35:07.840 That's what they will continue to do.

01:35:09.180 How do you look back at, like, the working class people of Great Britain and say, it's

01:35:13.340 your fault.

01:35:14.340 It's your racism that did this to me. 0.58

01:35:16.420 Leilani, I'll give you the last word.

01:35:18.280 You know, and that's another thing as well.

01:35:20.320 Like, my mother's from the Philippines.

01:35:21.860 She's an immigrant from the Philippines.

01:35:23.400 And when people are against me or troll me, I don't think it's because they're racist or my

01:35:29.300 mom's an immigrant.

01:35:30.020 I know it's because I've done something.

01:35:31.660 I'm opinionated.

01:35:33.580 I'm mouthy and what have you.

01:35:35.280 And also, when my mom had me, my mom and dad and my grandparents sat there and said, what

01:35:40.380 color will her skin be? 1.00

01:35:41.560 What shape will her eyes be? 1.00

01:35:43.860 Will they be Filipino like my mom or round and blue like my dad? 0.99

01:35:47.580 You know, none of this is racist.

01:35:49.480 And to keep perpetuating it is just race baiting.

01:35:53.660 And that's all they can do, because actually, the documentary and themselves are pretty boring

01:35:58.540 people.

01:35:59.440 And they need the drama and they need the race baiting to try and keep people watching. 0.96

01:36:04.320 And to be quite honest, it's woke bingo to me.

01:36:07.160 It's, you know, unconscious bias, institutional gaslighting.

01:36:10.980 They say all they need for overly therapized is like I'm up against it.

01:36:17.080 But it's a pleasure to see you both.

01:36:18.920 Thank you both for so much for being here.

01:36:20.580 Oh, well, we covered a lot.

01:36:24.380 Thank you so much for being there with us.

01:36:26.160 I would love to know how you think about all of this, if you watched it, what you make of

01:36:30.780 the clips, if you haven't watched it.

01:36:33.140 So there are a couple of ways of getting to me.

01:36:35.020 You can email me, Megan, M-E-G-Y-N at MeganKelley.com.

01:36:39.820 You can leave some comments on YouTube and you can go to our podcast on Apple and leave

01:36:46.580 a comment there because, A, I do read those.

01:36:49.060 And B, we get credit.

01:36:51.740 Like if you leave a comment there, it kind of helps the show and the algorithm.

01:36:54.400 I don't know how it works, but you know how big tech stinks.

01:36:57.120 In any event, please do that and let me know what you think.

01:36:59.480 And don't forget to tune in tomorrow because we've got John Ramsey.

01:37:02.520 Yes, John Ramsey, the father of John Benet, will join me for an exclusive interview.

The Megyn Kelly Show - December 12, 2022

Harry and Meghan Play the Victim, and Twitter Files Revelations, with Tom Bower, Ric Grenell, Sophie Corcoran, and Leilani Dowding ｜ Ep. 451

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