The Megyn Kelly Show - Harry and Meghan's Selfishness, and Media Smears, with Nigel Farage and Joseph Arthur ｜ Ep. 390

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00:02:00.380 Okay, today on the show, the incredible story of what happened to a successful musician's career when he decided to speak out against mandatory COVID masking and vaccines,

00:02:11.400 raising some of the very concerns that the so-called experts are now admitting were, in fact, real problems.

00:02:18.380 But he basically got canceled and his career ruined over this.

00:02:21.560 His name is Joseph Arthur, and he has played alongside names like Peter Gabriel and R.E.M.'s Michael Stripe.

00:02:26.720 His songs have been featured in Hollywood films and sung by bands like Coldplay.

00:02:32.180 However, he refused to toe the line.

00:02:34.420 So he's going to be here to talk about what that cost him and whether it was worth it.

00:02:39.660 But my first guest today is somebody who you know very well.

00:02:43.000 And he's also someone who knows exactly what it's like to take on controversial positions and never back down.

00:02:50.140 Nigel Farage is here.

00:02:51.460 He helped lead Britain's exit from the European Union, dubbed Brexit, as you know.

00:02:57.100 Since leaving politics, at least sort of, one of his focuses has been growing the conservative movement, not just in the U.K., but also here in the United States,

00:03:06.940 recently telling a group of young people, if America falls, we all fall.

00:03:11.480 Nigel Farage now hosts his own show, hugely successful, called Farage, on Britain's great GB News, which is just an amazing place to spend some time.

00:03:22.320 You would absolutely love it if you watch it on YouTube or elsewhere.

00:03:25.280 He joins me now.

00:03:30.220 Nigel, so nice to meet you.

00:03:31.440 Thanks for coming on.

00:03:32.620 Megan, absolute pleasure to come on.

00:03:34.400 Normally, we'd be talking hard politics and saving Western civilisation, which is really my mission post-Brexit, because I see the English-speaking world, whether it's Canada, America, New Zealand, Australia, the U.K., I see the same problems. 0.97

00:03:49.300 I see Marxism that has infiltrated our universities.

00:03:52.260 And I could go on.

00:03:53.580 But, of course, you know, I'm not wearing a black tie for nothing, because we are going through an extraordinary, historic, moving, but incredibly sad week here in the U.K.

00:04:06.740 Yeah, I know.

00:04:07.900 It's been something to watch.

00:04:09.200 All I could think about, Nigel, when I saw the number of days that the country would be in mourning and that the Queen's coffin would be moved from place to place and that people would be given the chance to say their goodbyes was, even in death, this is the hardest working woman in England.

00:04:27.400 I mean, even in death, the Queen gives extra of herself so people can have the chance to pay their respects.

00:04:34.020 Well, think about it.

00:04:35.220 This time last week, Tuesday of last week, Boris Johnson went in to see her to tender his resignation as Prime Minister.

00:04:43.320 And then Liz Truss went into the room and the Queen invited Liz Truss to become our next Prime Minister. 1.00

00:04:49.880 There was a photograph taken of her shaking Liz Truss's hand.

00:04:53.940 She had a big smile on her face, but she looked weaker than we've seen her at any point before.

00:04:59.900 Three months ago at the Platinum Jubilee, she came onto the balcony at Buckingham Palace.

00:05:08.100 We knew she was old, but it's a really funny thing.

00:05:11.180 Despite her age, I was convinced she was immortal.

00:05:14.460 I honestly didn't think this day was going to come.

00:05:17.440 I just imagined she'd go on forever and ever.

00:05:19.780 So there she was a week ago doing her duty.

00:05:21.920 And then two days later, last Thursday, at about a quarter past 12, there was a statement that the Queen was under medical supervision.

00:05:31.960 And as soon as I heard that, I literally felt sick to the bottom of my stomach because I knew what it meant.

00:05:38.620 And I can't tell you the outpouring of emotion.

00:05:42.180 People saying to me, I never thought I'd feel like this.

00:05:44.320 But of course, not only has she been there for the whole of our lives, you've got to be over 75 to remember a time when Elizabeth wasn't our Queen.

00:05:54.260 But there's something else about her that is very, very special, in my opinion.

00:05:58.720 What she represented in terms of values, honesty, decency, morality, Christianity, devotion, self-sacrifice and service.

00:06:08.680 And I do think that as what we call the greatest generation, that World War II generation of men and women, as they disappear in number from this earth, I worry that we're losing something very, very special in terms of what people stand for.

00:06:24.540 Oh, I couldn't agree with you more.

00:06:26.340 On many fronts, you know, as I was saying to Dan Wooden last week, one of the fronts is for womankind.

00:06:32.480 You know, she we don't have a queen in America. 1.00

00:06:35.980 Obviously, we don't we don't want one or we would not be America, but we don't have a female leader like the queen, universally respected. 1.00

00:06:43.660 We've never had a female president. 1.00

00:06:45.480 She's more powerful than any female role model or leader that we've ever had in America. 1.00

00:06:51.720 And she did it almost perfectly.

00:06:54.400 I mean, you could make the case she did it perfectly.

00:06:56.460 Oh, I mean, 70 years, not a single hint of scandal ever.

00:07:02.600 Now, her children may be somewhat different, but let's talk about the queen.

00:07:07.460 No scandal, never put a foot wrong, played the role of a constitutional monarch, did it in an exemplary style.

00:07:16.220 And through this, she became the most famous person in the world and I would argue the most respected and perhaps even loved person in the world.

00:07:28.820 Didn't matter where you went, anywhere, any continent, the queen, if you said the queen, everyone knew exactly who you were talking about.

00:07:37.480 So for our country, the loss is it's huge.

00:07:42.400 King Charles, well, you know, God save the king.

00:07:44.780 We wish him well, but she's a very, very difficult act to follow.

00:07:48.780 And you say, well, of course, America would never want a constitutional monarchy.

00:07:52.800 I understand that there was a slight disagreement with a fellow called George III.

00:07:56.780 And America, which, of course, was the first Brexit, if you think about it, you know, America leaves, leaves the British Empire, goes on to become the most successful country in the world.

00:08:07.000 And yet I find most Americans I meet and talk to are fascinated by the British royal family.

00:08:15.400 Yes, absolutely.

00:08:16.280 Well, we have a link to it, of course, in our history.

00:08:18.560 Somehow in our in our constitutional DNA, there is an imprint there and people have strong feelings about it.

00:08:25.340 Now, we were not Queen Elizabeth's subjects, but so many millions of Americans were her admirers for some of the reasons that you just listed.

00:08:32.920 And I was thinking about it was talking about with my team, because I do think she represented a dignity and a power amongst women, a quiet dignity and class that is leaving us bit by bit as we turn to narcissism and selfie culture and absurd representations of women wherever we turn.

00:08:51.000 One of the things I mentioned last week was was I won't get into the details of the song, but this song by Cardi B and Megan Thee Stallion called it's a stallion called WAP.

00:09:01.160 You can Google it.

00:09:02.660 It's very dirty. 0.94

00:09:04.020 It's filthy.

00:09:04.600 And to take it to the next level, Hillary Clinton, OK, the only female presidential candidate, Democratic nominee that we've ever had, decides to comment on this because she's trying to launch a new digital series with her daughter.

00:09:20.660 And instead of saying, you know, there are certain things that I think crossover when it comes to class, when it comes to representation and role modeling for young girls, she decides to pretend that she's an embracer of it, which I don't believe.

00:09:35.020 I think she's just pandering.

00:09:36.420 But here's a little bit of what she said as she gushed over this song, Satu.

00:09:40.660 Chelsea follows rap music. 0.91

00:09:43.760 She has ever since she was a little girl.

00:09:46.920 But I kind of came to awareness of you with the Cardi B WAP.

00:09:53.400 I've always wanted to do a song with Cardi.

00:09:55.100 As soon as she sent me the song, I think I sent it back to her like the next day.

00:09:58.240 And it was just so exciting.

00:10:00.100 The men, they seem so confident in what they're saying, and they don't have no problem with talking about their sexuality and how they're going to have sex with you. 0.78

00:10:06.160 So I was like, well, I could do that. 0.98

00:10:09.100 And it's going to sound fire coming from a woman. 1.00

00:10:11.800 It's great to see women be so fierce. 1.00

00:10:14.920 That is my life's mission, to make sure that I'm always unapologetically me.

00:10:21.620 Oh, my God, the absurdity of Chelsea Clinton, who's literally accomplished nothing, piping in with it's great to see women be so fierce, as though this is some profundity that we're supposed to move on thinking about, Nigel. 0.88

00:10:31.940 Well, it's absolutely ludicrous. 0.78

00:10:33.300 And it's interesting, isn't it? 0.69

00:10:34.140 I mean, we are a very old country, and yet we've been very lucky.

00:10:37.440 We had Queen Elizabeth I, who saw off the Spanish Armada and kept our independence.

00:10:43.620 We had Queen Victoria, who reigned for 60 years and oversaw the expansion of the British Empire, which I know it's not fashionable to talk about these days.

00:10:53.600 But, hey, she made us into the world's leading superpower and now 70 years of Elizabeth II.

00:11:00.160 And I think we've produced some wonderful role models.

00:11:03.200 And I think maybe, maybe the Clintons could learn a lesson.

00:11:06.840 You see, rather than the Queen ever pretending to be anything other than she was, what she was able to do was to have fun.

00:11:14.300 Think of the Paddington Bear sketch just three months ago where the Queen, you know, gets the sandwich out of her handbag.

00:11:22.140 Think of the James Bond sketch that she did at the London Olympics in 2012.

00:11:27.800 Did without even telling her family.

00:11:30.220 That's a much better model for female leaders around the world than pretending somehow you're getting down and cool with the kids when it's clearly just not true. 1.00

00:11:39.040 Yeah, that's right. Hillary Clinton went on a day or two ago to say, to compare Nancy Pelosi to the Queen, to say, you know, she reminds her of Queen Elizabeth.

00:11:48.840 I feel like, oh my, how out of touch can you be? 0.98

00:11:51.120 I mean, it's absolutely ridiculous. 0.94

00:11:53.460 You know, this woman, this woman, her life was devoted to others. 0.72

00:11:59.720 It was one of incredible, massive self-sacrifice.

00:12:03.760 She spread kindness and joy wherever she went.

00:12:07.180 She travelled the world in a way that no global leader has ever done in history.

00:12:13.780 You know, little villages of mud huts in the outback in Africa, wherever she went.

00:12:18.040 And she spread joy wherever she went.

00:12:20.960 And I have to say, you know, when it comes to human kindness and goodness, she exemplified all of those things, those amazing values.

00:12:29.980 And it's why I talked about the greatest generation.

00:12:31.960 You know, these people went to war for liberty and freedom, not just of ourselves, but of countries in Europe and elsewhere around the world.

00:12:41.040 And these days, it seems that we're living in a society where we're all in it for ourselves and to hell with everybody else.

00:12:47.980 That's right. That's right.

00:12:48.900 And everything gets reduced to, you know, the things over which we have no control, like gender or skin colour or what have you.

00:12:55.160 Some of the attacks on the Queen have been just awful.

00:12:59.200 And people are free to say what they want to say, but that doesn't mean we can't push back and say you're absurd.

00:13:04.480 Megan, I have to say, I mean, I don't know what's going on with the editorial board of the New York Times in particular,

00:13:10.560 but there are other American media outlets, you know, choosing.

00:13:13.600 I mean, literally, almost before the body was cold, you know, publishing these hard left Marxist academic articles, you know,

00:13:22.640 condemning the Queen, basically saying that she was part of the colonial process and thereby, therefore, she's guilty for racism and slavery.

00:13:30.920 I can't think, I can't think of any human being in the world, you know, who's done more for black populations, frankly, than Queen Elizabeth II.

00:13:40.260 And amazing to think, isn't it, you know, she wore uniform, she wore an army uniform in World War II.

00:13:47.280 She stood on the balcony at Buckingham Palace on Victory in Europe Day with Winston Churchill in 1945.

00:13:53.580 The Queen always fought. She always fought against tyranny. 1.00

00:13:57.820 She always fought for fairness.

00:14:00.180 And as far as this country is concerned, and this country has changed since World War II,

00:14:05.520 immigration has changed the makeup of this country, 1.00

00:14:08.360 but she was always welcoming to all of those communities.

00:14:12.120 And I just think it's, as I say, I don't know what the New York Times are trying to do.

00:14:18.140 Clearly, I think trying to break the link between Brexit, Britain and America, because they're globalist in their intent.

00:14:26.120 Mm-hmm. Yes.

00:14:27.080 And you gave me the chill talking about the Queen up there with, we have a picture on the border with Winston Churchill.

00:14:31.380 Meanwhile, you've got people like this Carnegie Mellon professor, Uju Anya, who continues to attack the Queen.

00:14:38.200 She made news saying she hoped her death was painful and worse.

00:14:41.840 And now she comes out and says, doubles down, speaking of the New York Times, this is New York magazines,

00:14:47.960 The Cut, and sort of a similar publication, writing that Queen Elizabeth was representative of the cult of white womanhood.

00:14:57.320 Honestly, as though there's something inherently evil about being a white woman.

00:15:03.340 And just to diminish somebody of Queen Elizabeth's stature as representative of the cult of white womanhood is incredibly disrespectful.

00:15:12.280 She gets away with it when there was some pushback by the university who said she doesn't speak for us students at the university,

00:15:19.060 writing a letter in support of her, criticizing the university's response.

00:15:23.460 Hundreds of current and former students.

00:15:25.940 And of course, you're going to be used to this kind of language, Nigel, saying we reject calls for civility that are frequently leveraged against the marginalized to silence dissent.

00:15:35.560 We express our solidarity with Dr. Anya and reject the tone policing of those with legitimate grievances.

00:15:44.560 Well, I mean, do you know what?

00:15:45.880 In some ways we can't blame.

00:15:47.180 We can't blame these young people in some ways.

00:15:49.440 They have been indoctrinated through our public education systems from a very early age.

00:15:55.220 And if you think about it, actually, the Marxists have managed to march through the institutions in a very, very successful manner.

00:16:01.620 What perhaps we should be doing, Megan, is blaming conservatives for allowing it to happen and for not standing up more stridently for the values that we believe in.

00:16:12.900 And I do see this right across the Western world, you know, so-called conservatives in government that allow all this sort of thing to happen without ever lifting a finger.

00:16:22.380 Right. So weak need. It makes you really want to be not associated with any party.

00:16:28.880 That's how I am over here in America, because I look at these people saying, I'm not putting your jersey on my chest privately, certainly as a journalist.

00:16:36.140 I had never have. But privately, I don't want the association.

00:16:39.620 And the Republicans over here are only figuring out in small groups how to fight somebody like Ron DeSantis, how to fight, how not to bend the knee to these folks whose approval they've sought so desperately for decades now.

00:16:53.380 And they've just lost.

00:16:55.920 Yeah, absolutely. There are examples like Ron DeSantis.

00:16:58.260 But I mean, you know, the reason I broke away from the British Conservative Party almost exactly 30 years ago was because they'd given up on being conservative.

00:17:06.400 They'd given up on the concept of a nation state. They'd given up on us being independent.

00:17:11.200 I have to say what a marvellous moment that was yesterday.

00:17:13.840 King Charles III walks in to the 900-year-old Westminster Hall to the assembled sitting of the House of Commons and the House of Lords, the king in Parliament.

00:17:24.880 Literally, that was sovereignty. It represented everything I fought for.

00:17:30.800 And the Conservatives fought me. The British Conservatives fought me for half a century until they realised it was inevitable.

00:17:38.280 And then they went with it. And you see this in Australia. You see it amongst the rhinos.

00:17:42.820 You see it all over the world. Conservatives that frankly just aren't conservative.

00:17:47.740 They're far more like metropolitan liberals.

00:17:50.280 And yet, outside the beltways, in the middle of our countries, there is still a clear, settled majority for common sense.

00:18:01.960 You know, ordinary folk don't talk about pregnant people.

00:18:06.240 They talk about pregnant women.

00:18:08.500 I mean, that's just the way that it is.

00:18:10.760 And yet, Conservatives have been so scared of criticism by mainstream media, so scared of the hate mobs on Twitter and elsewhere,

00:18:19.300 that they've backed away and allowed so much of this to go wrong.

00:18:22.580 So we need robust, committed Conservatives across the Western world,

00:18:29.560 people who believe that our civilisation is founded on Judeo-Christian principles,

00:18:35.100 people who believe in free speech, freedom of association,

00:18:39.080 and people who understand that if you say something that causes offence,

00:18:44.400 provided it's not insightful, then that actually is how free speech works.

00:18:50.080 And it's what generations that went before us actually fought for.

00:18:54.300 And I think our Queen understood those things perfectly.

00:18:58.380 So before we move on from the royal family, because I do want to talk to you about how to fight,

00:19:01.940 you could write a treatise on it.

00:19:04.280 A quick question about Harry and Meghan, because Tom Bauer, who's, you know,

00:19:10.920 barn burner of a book about the royal family, and it was number one everywhere,

00:19:14.740 he was on with our mutual friend Dan Wooten talking about Harry's autobiography,

00:19:21.160 which is slated for release, I guess now, this November.

00:19:25.040 And according to Dan and others, the royal family does not want to see the publication of this book.

00:19:30.580 They fear and believe that it's going to be very negative about the royal family.

00:19:36.240 And now, given the fact that the Queen just died, the timing is far from ideal.

00:19:41.100 So Bowers goes on with Dan during GB News' royal coverage.

00:19:45.820 And here's what happened.

00:19:47.360 At the end, it's down to whether Harry and Meghan are prepared to apologise to Kate and William.

00:19:55.340 My suspicion is, I'm convinced they won't apologise.

00:19:59.020 Even worse, I'm told tonight that Harry's insisting that his book is published in November.

00:20:05.460 You're kidding.

00:20:06.280 Absolutely. It's absolutely astonishing.

00:20:08.100 He's insisting.

00:20:09.280 Apparently the publishers are not too certain,

00:20:11.780 but he says that if they don't publish, you'll breach a contract.

00:20:14.320 That's what I'm told.

00:20:15.960 And it's extraordinary, because I think that's good.

00:20:18.060 On the other hand, it fits the bill,

00:20:20.140 because Harry and Meghan's finances depend entirely on the book and on Netflix.

00:20:26.860 And also, I think they're convinced they're in the right,

00:20:30.240 and they want to get their own back.

00:20:32.540 And I think the problem of getting them to come out on that walk yesterday

00:20:38.580 was very much because they can't decide whether they should appear or not.

00:20:42.920 After all, they didn't plan to be here for a funeral.

00:20:46.020 They thought they were coming for just a visit to promote themselves.

00:20:49.420 They've been caught up in it.

00:20:51.760 What do you make of that, Nigel?

00:20:53.120 Well, Tom Bauer.

00:20:54.500 Tom Bauer is the biographer of our times.

00:20:58.400 Written the most incredible books about members of the royal family,

00:21:02.400 about big business figures, political figures,

00:21:04.480 Boris Johnson, Richard Branson, you name it.

00:21:07.360 I'm very pleased that it wasn't him,

00:21:09.480 but somebody else that wrote a big biography about me.

00:21:12.740 Because Tom Bauer is really good at putting his finger on those personality flaws.

00:21:21.080 And by the way, we all have them, of course.

00:21:22.680 We all have them.

00:21:23.980 So would Harry go ahead with this book?

00:21:26.500 Well, think about this.

00:21:28.140 When the Oprah Winfrey interview happened, right,

00:21:30.900 Harry and Meghan knew that his grandfather was at death's door.

00:21:38.340 They knew that Philip was not going to make his 100th birthday,

00:21:42.580 and that was only 10 weeks away.

00:21:45.120 And they still went ahead with the interview.

00:21:48.080 This trip to the UK, they came here this time.

00:21:52.240 You know, Meghan gave a speech up in Manchester.

00:21:54.160 They went to Dusseldorf for an event.

00:21:55.800 Do you know, they weren't even going to go and visit the Queen on this trip.

00:22:01.960 And I thought Charles's words in the King's speech were very interesting.

00:22:07.200 He talked about Kate, or Catherine, as we're now branding her,

00:22:11.500 and William as the new Prince and Princess of Wales.

00:22:15.120 But when he referred to Harry and Meghan,

00:22:18.560 he didn't call them the Duke and Duchess of Sussex.

00:22:21.040 No, no, no, no, no.

00:22:22.000 He talked about my love for Harry, Meghan, and their family,

00:22:27.340 who are now building their new life overseas.

00:22:30.920 This is what King Charles III said.

00:22:33.220 And I read into that.

00:22:34.800 You're living on the West Coast of America.

00:22:36.700 We want nothing to do with you.

00:22:38.440 Please stay there.

00:22:40.160 Interesting.

00:22:40.680 Well, I do think it was interesting that Meghan comes over.

00:22:46.300 She goes out there to sort of shake the hands of people.

00:22:49.000 And let's be honest about it.

00:22:50.580 Meghan and Harry made the Queen's last two years much more difficult than they needed to be.

00:22:57.440 I mean, there's something galling about seeing them glad-handing with the mourners

00:23:02.460 when, name me somebody else who caused more agita to the poor Queen 1.00

00:23:06.820 in her last two years of life than those two, right?

00:23:10.520 Yeah, yeah.

00:23:11.820 It was so disrespectful.

00:23:13.260 It was so wrong in every way.

00:23:15.340 But I'll tell you what's interesting.

00:23:16.960 The Queen's body is going to arrive,

00:23:20.280 Queen's coffin will arrive at Buckingham Palace in about two and a half hours' time, okay?

00:23:27.300 And there, there will be a military detachment, of course.

00:23:33.120 There will be the King and the Queen Consort.

00:23:35.800 There will be the Prince and Princess of Wales.

00:23:37.580 But the Duke and Duchess of Sussex will not be there.

00:23:42.040 And what this tells you, through the words that King Charles used,

00:23:45.460 through the very fact they will not be there to meet the Queen's body as it arrives in Buckingham Palace,

00:23:51.460 and goodness me, what a sombre, what a sombre emotional moment that's going to be in two and a half hours.

00:23:57.360 But the fact they're not there tells you everything.

00:24:00.620 The firm, as the royal family have known, have effectively excommunicated them because they know Harry will go ahead with this book,

00:24:09.220 do it to make money, and do his best, not just to damage the monarchy and his own father and brother,

00:24:16.480 but he'll do it because he wants to damn the United Kingdom, the British around the world.

00:24:23.620 I've never seen such disloyalty in all of my life.

00:24:28.920 Quite what, quite what Meghan's done to them, how it's come to this, I simply don't know.

00:24:33.420 Hmm. She was glad-handing with the mourners the other day, and it made news that a few of them refused to shake her hand.

00:24:41.100 You can see it in the video. A couple of women just looked down or didn't extend the hand. 1.00

00:24:46.220 And now you've got Meghan's followers on Twitter.

00:24:50.340 And we're showing the video for the people who watch us on YouTube.

00:24:53.100 The woman putting on her sunglasses avoids Meghan.

00:24:55.740 Then there's a woman in a dark blue shirt with gray hair who clearly does not want to shake her hand. 0.98

00:25:00.740 And now you've got all these people on Twitter accusing these women, wait for it, of racism. 0.97

00:25:08.300 That they're racists because they...

00:25:11.180 Do you know what? Aren't we getting slightly bored with all this?

00:25:15.860 Yes.

00:25:16.060 I mean, the use of this word. I mean, we should stop getting...

00:25:20.040 Do you know what? We should stop even worrying about it.

00:25:22.540 It's become utterly meaningless.

00:25:24.720 It's a substitute for any form of engagement or intelligent debate.

00:25:29.180 And I think we've got to just stop worrying about all these attacks.

00:25:33.080 They mean nothing.

00:25:34.960 What do you make of the Oprah thing?

00:25:37.600 Because I will say Oprah weighed in on Meghan and Harry today.

00:25:40.640 I mean, she was sort of...

00:25:42.340 She was in on ground zero of the racism accusation Meghan and Harry launched against the royal family. 0.82

00:25:48.000 And now Oprah's calling for sort of a healing moment. 0.99

00:25:50.980 We have the soundbite in an interview she gave to Extra.

00:25:54.900 It's soundbite one.

00:25:55.540 We lost another trailblazer this week, the Queen. 1.00

00:25:59.600 Of course, you sat down with Meghan and Harry.

00:26:01.360 We're seeing the four of them together now in London.

00:26:04.340 Is there a hope out there that in some way her passing would be a way to unify the family, maybe heal some wounds?

00:26:11.400 Well, this is what I think.

00:26:12.440 I think in all families, you know, my father passed recently this summer.

00:26:17.720 And when all families come together for a common ceremony, the ritual of, you know, burying your dead, there's an opportunity for peacemaking.

00:26:31.300 And hopefully there will be that.

00:26:35.720 Yeah.

00:26:36.540 Well, that, I mean, that is true, of course.

00:26:39.040 I mean, there's barely a family on the planet where someone's not speaking to someone.

00:26:43.320 I mean, that's just the way families...

00:26:45.360 Well, it's true.

00:26:46.140 It's true.

00:26:46.500 You know.

00:26:46.860 Very true.

00:26:47.420 And then we all come together.

00:26:49.660 You know, it's the uncle's funeral or whatever it is.

00:26:51.940 And we all come together.

00:26:52.900 And it is an opportunity for rapprochement to be made.

00:26:58.520 And there was a minor rapprochement when William reached out and they went out, as you say, in Windsor and looked at the flowers and met some of the mourners there.

00:27:08.140 But it has no long-term future if he's going to go ahead with this book.

00:27:12.740 So, Oprah, sorry, I'm not with you at all.

00:27:16.120 And can I just say also, she must be the worst interviewer on the planet. 1.00

00:27:19.680 You know, the idea that Oprah Winfrey is this big genius.

00:27:22.920 Well, so what happened with that interview was, of course, the first half of it was with Meghan.

00:27:28.600 Halfway through, Harry gets dragged in, directly contradicts some of the things that Meghan has said in the first half.

00:27:36.620 And Winfrey didn't even pick up on it.

00:27:39.500 So I'm not particularly impressed with her ability to do interviews and to find out the truth.

00:27:45.200 Well, that's the thing.

00:27:45.720 I mean, she helped light the bonfire that that was the last two years for the royal family and the queen.

00:27:52.340 So I don't know that she's the right person to be commenting on healing for that family.

00:27:57.440 A proper interviewer would have said in the moment, you can't make an allegation like that without naming names.

00:28:03.880 You've essentially impugned everyone from the queen and Prince Philip on down.

00:28:08.480 Prince Philip is on his deathbed.

00:28:10.000 Would you care to at least exclude him and her majesty, the queen?

00:28:14.480 At least that would have been a good follow up.

00:28:16.640 It didn't happen the same way as the Cut magazine, New York magazine's offshoot.

00:28:21.220 The Cut refused to say to Meghan, the British press is calling your children the N word.

00:28:26.360 Who?

00:28:26.900 When?

00:28:27.600 Show me the publication.

00:28:28.740 That would have been international news.

00:28:30.940 Yeah, it's not true.

00:28:32.220 None of it's true.

00:28:32.960 It's all this, look at me, I'm a victim, aren't the royal family beastly, it's all wrong, it's false.

00:28:40.640 But it's funny, you know, at the time, people that stood up and called it false, you know, in many cases, not only got abused on social media, but you could even lose your job over it.

00:28:51.940 Isn't it funny?

00:28:52.340 Yeah.

00:28:52.860 Isn't it mad?

00:28:54.120 And that really, that really, I think, very neatly brings us on to the mess that we're in across the Western world, that we've allowed these narratives to permeate to a level.

00:29:06.000 We've allowed bullying.

00:29:07.900 We've allowed bullying to get to a level where people are cancelled.

00:29:12.920 People lose their jobs.

00:29:14.700 People are excluded from plight society for simply having convictions or beliefs.

00:29:20.580 This is where we've got to.

00:29:21.900 And it's very, very scary.

00:29:23.220 And I just repeat the point I made a few minutes ago.

00:29:26.220 I blame conservatives more than I blame the hard left.

00:29:29.480 I blame these faux conservatives.

00:29:31.840 They pretend to stand up for Judeo-Christian principles. 0.52

00:29:35.060 They pretend to stand up for the family.

00:29:38.340 They pretend to stand up for free speech.

00:29:41.160 And yet, because there are so many of them are simply career politicians, all they care about is getting reelected next time round, not taking too much flack, having an easy life,

00:29:51.860 getting a very, very nice job as a non-executive director on a board somewhere after their term in Congress or Parliament or wherever it may be, that we've allowed all of this stuff to overwhelm us without anybody really standing up and fighting.

00:30:06.740 Now, it's not easy.

00:30:08.320 You know, I mean, I know about this stuff because I've taken some very strong principled stands.

00:30:13.820 And you get called all the names under the sun and you get more and you get more death threats than you had the week before.

00:30:21.140 You get abused in the streets of London by a certain, you know, certain group of person.

00:30:28.800 But it's how you win.

00:30:30.820 You don't win by running away.

00:30:33.460 You win by standing and fighting and having conviction and knowing that actually what you're doing is counteracting a madness that is threatening to completely overtake our society.

00:30:46.580 Too few conservatives have done that.

00:30:48.520 And that makes me that does make me very, very angry.

00:30:52.240 So let's we're going to talk tactics.

00:30:53.620 Like, what does that mean?

00:30:54.560 What does it look like to fight?

00:30:55.980 I'm going to squeeze in a break before we do that, but I'll just point out one thing to your point.

00:31:00.060 Piers Morgan lost his job at Good Morning Britain because he was on the air the day after that Oprah interview.

00:31:06.540 I was there with him.

00:31:07.600 I was I was their lead guest at 7 a.m.

00:31:10.180 And he said he did not believe her claims.

00:31:13.980 He didn't believe her racism allegation.

00:31:16.000 He didn't believe that she was suicidal and the king and the palace overlooked it.

00:31:20.580 And he did not believe her claim that her child was never going to be a prince because of the color of his skin.

00:31:25.980 Her child is a prince now.

00:31:27.520 And the weatherman, the weatherman is the one who drove Piers up the wall that day because he kept looking at Piers.

00:31:35.660 Again, I was there and via satellite and saying, but that's her truth. 0.79

00:31:41.960 That's her truth.

00:31:43.500 And Piers had had it.

00:31:45.080 That's what forced him to walk off because he then attacked Piers personally and said, you've got a personal beef with her rather than accepting his professional criticisms.

00:31:53.160 And ultimately, Piers was forced to either apologize or leave his position.

00:31:57.060 And he chose the latter.

00:31:58.760 He's doing fine.

00:31:59.880 But to your point, this sort of these narratives have they've been allowed to get away with them, whether it's Harry or the or the established left.

00:32:09.140 Absolutely.

00:32:09.860 On the previous narrative that took hold, Piers was on completely the wrong side, which was Black Lives Matter.

00:32:15.720 You know, unless you.

00:32:16.660 Oh, you know, if Piers was in charge, we'd all still be locked down, I think.

00:32:23.420 But I mean, BLM was astonishing.

00:32:25.360 You know, within 24 hours of the death of George Floyd, there were police officers taking a knee in London.

00:32:30.560 Again, you see lack of leadership.

00:32:33.320 Here was an organization committed to destroying the police force.

00:32:37.100 It begins with defunding.

00:32:38.600 It then means total replacement.

00:32:40.320 And yet, you know, that narrative took hold and I was cancelled.

00:32:45.480 I was cancelled over BLM.

00:32:47.060 I was cancelled from a very successful radio show.

00:32:49.960 Do you know what I did?

00:32:51.120 I read out the Black Lives Matter website on air.

00:32:54.400 Right.

00:32:55.100 Listen for yourself.

00:32:56.720 I wasn't even giving an opinion.

00:32:59.480 I was just telling you, telling the people what the organization stood for.

00:33:03.900 But you've always been fearless.

00:33:05.500 Nigel, that's the thing that's so interesting about you.

00:33:07.080 I look back at your history well before the cancellation brigade was out there and coming for you.

00:33:11.400 It seems like you've always been fearless.

00:33:13.720 Now I read in your bio, because I'm getting to know you better, there actually is a point in your life where that switch was turned on.

00:33:23.240 None of us wants to go through this same experience.

00:33:25.820 But that's as good a place as any for me to squeeze in my commercial break.

00:33:28.840 Come back with Nigel on that moment and how to fight in two minutes.

00:33:33.060 Don't miss this.

00:33:33.640 Really enjoying this exchange.

00:33:37.080 So, Nigel, there was a moment in 2010 that was a before and after moment for you as a human and as an advocate.

00:33:49.720 Tell us about it.

00:33:50.860 Well, I'd already in the 1980s been through cancer as a young man and a massive road traffic accident.

00:33:56.340 But I was lucky to survive.

00:33:57.460 But in 2010, the really big one came, which was being in a light aircraft that had lost power and control and crashed.

00:34:05.720 And it was all pretty dramatic stuff.

00:34:08.360 I was trapped in the wreckage.

00:34:09.580 There were two of us on the plane.

00:34:11.380 I was trapped in the wreckage, covered in fuel oil, thinking, well, I've survived the impact.

00:34:17.480 But we're probably going to, you know, I can see the picture now.

00:34:19.940 I'd rather not see it, to be honest with you.

00:34:21.640 So, yeah, we have it up for the YouTube audience.

00:34:24.020 I know.

00:34:24.580 It's not something I look at.

00:34:25.920 It's unbelievable that I survived.

00:34:28.700 I mean, I was badly broken when I, you know, everything was ribs and split sternum and punctured lungs and all sorts of things like that.

00:34:35.200 But, hey, you know what?

00:34:37.100 I'm here.

00:34:37.900 I'm alive.

00:34:38.800 I'm healthy.

00:34:39.860 The pilot's not here.

00:34:42.040 And this is the way life can be.

00:34:43.540 So, I, ever since 2010, have taken the view that I really shouldn't be here.

00:34:51.680 And because of that, you've got to treat, you really have to treat life as a bonus.

00:34:56.820 You value what life is quite a lot more, I think, than I did before.

00:35:01.460 And you know something, when you've been in a plane that's coming down to Earth and you think this is your last few seconds, why on earth would I worry about some loser criticizing me on Twitter?

00:35:14.820 I mean, I think probably it did make me even more fearless in standing up in the European Parliament, standing up in front of, you know, sort of baying mobs on BBC programs in this country.

00:35:27.100 I wouldn't recommend an experience like this for anyone watching. 0.98

00:35:31.680 This is not exactly recommended training, but it did help me to be able to be, I suppose, the word is brave or, well, brave or stupid. 0.97

00:35:41.820 I mean, you, you know, pay your money, take your... 0.99

00:35:43.240 Fine line.

00:35:44.220 Yeah, we are.

00:35:44.940 But it probably is, really.

00:35:46.240 But I'll tell you what's interesting, you know, if one person is prepared to stand up like Kirk Douglas and say,

00:35:52.320 I'm Spartacus, you know, when people see others taking a lead, saying and emoting on issues that they feel the same about, that then gives them the room to feel comfortable and stand up.

00:36:08.400 And it's, you know, in this week when we're mourning the loss of the Queen, you know, we're remembering her faultless leadership.

00:36:16.920 That's why tens of millions of people in this country have been in tears for the last week.

00:36:21.940 Human beings need leaders.

00:36:24.720 Human beings need someone to shine a light.

00:36:28.060 And when those figures come along, they follow.

00:36:30.660 So what is needed, what is needed within conservative movements are people of courage, people who've got some integrity, but above all, people who've got courage.

00:36:42.200 And you mentioned Ron DeSantis earlier on.

00:36:45.260 Well, thank goodness the conservative movement in America is beginning to find some stars like him.

00:36:51.400 And whatever you think of Donald Trump, you know, and some people think he's a bit rough around the edges.

00:36:56.120 Others think he's a total hero.

00:36:57.800 I like him very much personally.

00:37:00.620 But again, Trump does actually have courage.

00:37:03.980 You know, he stands up and confronts these issues.

00:37:06.560 But I'm not seeing much of that in the current British Conservative Party.

00:37:10.820 Well, I know you've written that Liz Truss has her work cut out for her because your country's going through a lot of the same things that mine is. 0.76

00:37:18.440 You know, you have a massive crime issue.

00:37:20.980 You have massive problems with immigration.

00:37:22.600 Your inflation numbers are out of control.

00:37:24.140 Europe, in a way that even puts America to shame, is dealing with a massive energy crisis right now where I'm told that you could be looking at, I don't know, is it 22 percent?

00:37:34.340 Is that what I read?

00:37:35.160 It was something that you had written, 22 percent inflation next year if the energy prices continue to climb and energy bills through the roof.

00:37:44.740 Yeah, 22 percent inflation is a real possibility.

00:37:48.320 In fact, Liz Truss was giving her first major speech as prime minister when a piece of paper was delivered into the House of Commons explaining the Queen's health predicament. 0.57

00:37:59.560 So we didn't really get all of that debate.

00:38:02.260 Now, if Truss does what she does, it may help in the short term to bring those inflation rates down.

00:38:09.160 But please, anybody watching or listening to this in America, learn a lesson.

00:38:16.080 Europe and the United Kingdom have willfully and deliberately decided they do not want to be energy self-sufficient.

00:38:25.560 No, no, no, no. We're going green. We're going to be the good guys. We're going to save the world.

00:38:30.580 Never mind that China is building 80 gigantic new coal-fired power stations every year.

00:38:37.220 Never mind that the UK produces less than 1 percent of global CO2.

00:38:42.900 No, we are going to make sure that our consumer bills are loaded with big subsidy, which we can give to multinational corporations.

00:38:52.620 They can then pay it on to Chinese companies manufacturing wind turbines, and we can call ourselves the saviour of the world.

00:39:00.160 And, oh, dear, something's gone wrong. And the lights may now go out in February.

00:39:05.280 It is complete and utter madness.

00:39:07.840 You know, if renewable technology works, fine, but it shouldn't have government subsidy.

00:39:14.440 It should operate and work in the free market.

00:39:17.720 And if you rely on intermittent energy too much, you leave yourselves in a very, very vulnerable position.

00:39:24.720 And this was Boris Johnson. I mean, Blair started all this 20 years ago.

00:39:28.260 But Boris Johnson's biggest single policy failure is through his net zero target.

00:39:35.860 He encouraged manufacturing jobs to leave the country and for us to import lots of our energy.

00:39:41.800 And that says, look, we've cut our CO2 output. It is completely insane.

00:39:45.860 And Trump did put America in the right place on energy.

00:39:50.220 Biden, well, he doesn't seem to be so keen, but to be self-sufficient in an uncertain world.

00:39:55.600 And that's what Europe hasn't done. And Putin, Putin now has, Putin now has the West in the palm of his hand.

00:40:04.860 And if he decides to turn very, very nasty, then we could be in real trouble.

00:40:10.960 The restrictions now that they're imposing in various European countries are really eye opening.

00:40:17.380 Not only are they turning off the lights overnight in places like the Brandenburg Gate, for example, in Berlin is no longer going to be illuminated.

00:40:24.160 In Hanover, in Germany last month, hot water was cut off at public buildings.

00:40:29.820 The city of Augsburg decided to turn off its traffic lights to conserve Spain.

00:40:35.000 In Spain, they've limited air conditioning to no cooler than 81 degrees Fahrenheit, 27 degrees Celsius.

00:40:40.900 I mean, that's crazy. That's crazy talk.

00:40:43.100 Even France, which is mostly nuclear, is now going to fine people for keeping doors open with shopkeepers with the air conditioning running,

00:40:49.960 which happens everywhere and so on. So this is our future, too, unless we get energy costs under control here and decide to open back up the spigot of oil and natural gas.

00:41:00.000 Yeah, I mean, look, everything in the UK and to some extent in Europe, too, hinges on Putin, but it hinges even more on the weather.

00:41:09.580 Can you believe it? If we get a long, cold, hard winter, there are parts of Europe and the UK in which the lights will literally go off and think about it.

00:41:18.940 I mean, we need energy now more than we ever did.

00:41:20.980 It's computerization, the very device I'm talking to you on right now, cell phones, all of it.

00:41:26.540 And if the lights go out this winter, I cannot, and it's a cold winter, I cannot even begin to imagine what the death toll is going to be.

00:41:36.640 So go green, go cold. Go green, people die in large numbers.

00:41:41.300 Go green and the Chinese laugh at you and build three new coal fired power stations, at least three every single month. 1.00

00:41:49.100 It is utter madness. But that's the lemming-like mentality of career politics. 0.99

00:41:55.400 They all get together at the G7, the G20, whatever it is, and they're full of self-congratulation for their own stupidity. 1.00

00:42:03.520 Mm-hmm. So what people listening to this conversation who feel as you do, who don't believe the green energy narrative being spoon-fed to us, 0.99

00:42:13.260 and the people who want to fight back against the constant racism accusations,

00:42:17.340 and the people who want to fight back against these massive government overhauls of society and control over, and so on.

00:42:22.980 What is the Nigel Farage footprint, blueprint, for fighting, for fighting?

00:42:30.280 So in America, America's in a much better position than we are, because so many posts in America are up for election.

00:42:38.440 Take school boards. You know, normally, on school boards, you will get activist political parents that get on school boards.

00:42:45.820 They, in many cases, got nothing better to do with their lives. But the ordinary parents who are busy with their jobs and everything else in the past haven't.

00:42:54.540 There's evidence in parts of America, I saw some in Texas myself, where just good, ordinary, decent people say,

00:43:01.360 right, we will not have our kids talk that America's a disgusting, shameful country with a horrible past.

00:43:08.260 We're actually quite proud of what our forebears did when they came here and built this amazing country.

00:43:13.420 So you can stand for school boards. You also, in America, have an open primary system,

00:43:19.460 which gives you the opportunity to vote for your candidates that are going up for public office.

00:43:25.300 So I do think, in the States, there's a lot you can do to make sure you get the right people and people of courage.

00:43:32.980 In other countries, it's a little bit harder. Here, it's a little bit harder,

00:43:37.520 because we don't have an open primary system, which is why, you know, I can't run to be leader of the Conservative Party.

00:43:44.480 For example, we don't have that kind of system. But we still could exert our influence.

00:43:51.580 We still can tell elected politicians that unless they change course, we will not vote for them next time round.

00:43:59.140 And so it's interesting that and Brexit is an example of this, you know, the rise of the UK Independence Party from nothing to winning a national election,

00:44:08.940 which it did in 2014 in the European elections. That was a grassroots revolution.

00:44:15.560 Yes, it had leadership, but it was a grass. You know, my job was to be there at the top. 0.92

00:44:20.500 My job was to give people hope. My job was to make people think if you're prepared to do something,

00:44:25.800 we can change the way we live in this country. People believed it, they acted, and we did.

00:44:32.500 Ultimately, leaders can only do so much. Ultimately, every one of you out there collectively can change things and can change our destiny.

00:44:42.340 And that really, I think, is the big message of hope. You know, things look really bad.

00:44:47.780 And we're vexed over some of the great stupidities, some of the absurdities, some of the unpleasantness that we're seeing. 0.98

00:44:55.080 Because of this woke cancel culture mob. And it worries us and it scares us. 0.99

00:45:00.940 But you know something? We can beat it. We just have to get enough people to stand up and say, enough.

00:45:08.960 You predicted Brexit would happen and led the movement that ultimately resulted in it happening.

00:45:14.360 You predicted Donald Trump would win the 2016 presidential election when very few people actually believed that.

00:45:20.180 So do you predict now that whether it's the right, the conservatives, or just I call them the people of reason,

00:45:28.700 will find their spines to stand up against this nonsense in your country and mine,

00:45:34.500 and that 10 years from now we'll be in a much better place when it comes to all of this?

00:45:39.480 Well, the history of humankind, the history of humankind is that big ideas, whether they were economic ideas, scientific ideas, social ideas,

00:45:48.360 big ideas that can control vast majorities at one moment in time can be looked back upon 20 years later. 0.95

00:45:55.980 People say, God, they must have been really stupid in the olden days to believe in stuff like that. 0.92

00:46:00.640 So what I mean is that pendulums swing back and forth through history in a much bigger way than we ever think, 0.99

00:46:08.360 living through the particular moment that concerns us.

00:46:11.920 And I think there's some evidence already that it's happening.

00:46:15.200 I think transgender sport is an example.

00:46:18.600 You know, Leah Thomas turns up at sort of six foot three with, you know, hands about three times the size of mine 0.96

00:46:25.040 and starts winning, starts winning swimming races.

00:46:29.920 And, you know, through the Olympic Federation and elsewhere,

00:46:32.740 we're beginning to see the application of common sense coming into women's sport. 1.00

00:46:37.380 It's only a very, very small beginning.

00:46:40.020 It will take a long time.

00:46:41.560 And the reason it will take so long is because the real battle,

00:46:44.820 the biggest battle of all is going to be reform of the educational establishments.

00:46:49.460 That is where the real poison, that is where the real problem is.

00:46:53.400 But yes, we can turn this around, fight back.

00:46:57.260 And yes, we can win.

00:47:00.780 Brick by brick.

00:47:02.480 Nigel Farage, what a pleasure.

00:47:04.260 Please come back.

00:47:04.940 Thank you.

00:47:05.640 Thank you.

00:47:06.660 We are going to be right back with a musician fighting back after being smeared over COVID.

00:47:12.140 He decided to fight.

00:47:13.680 And those in his crosshairs include the LA Times.

00:47:17.000 We'll get into what happened to him.

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00:47:37.640 Our next guest is a well-known singer, songwriter and musician who has an incredible story.

00:47:46.840 He was discovered in the 1990s by, oh, Peter Gabriel and spent the next 25 years as a musician

00:47:53.360 releasing more than a dozen albums.

00:47:55.580 When the COVID pandemic hit, he began to speak freely about some of his doubts when it came

00:48:00.980 to lockdowns, masking, and eventually the vaccine.

00:48:04.380 And then came the pushback, including the LA Times writing an article on his views and

00:48:10.780 explicitly calling him an anti-vaxxer.

00:48:14.420 He has brought a defamation case against the publication now over their portrayal of him

00:48:19.300 claiming he was shunned and avoided in the music community as a result, and that they

00:48:25.180 intentionally misled the readers and continue to read misleaders on things like who he really

00:48:31.560 is.

00:48:32.500 Despite the backlash and the struggles, Joseph Arthur continues to speak out because, as

00:48:37.220 he says, speak your mind or lose your mind.

00:48:41.240 Oh, that is so true.

00:48:43.000 Joseph, welcome to the show.

00:48:44.500 Thanks for having me on, Megan.

00:48:45.700 I really appreciate it.

00:48:47.180 I love the t-shirt, and I completely agree.

00:48:51.340 The new fashion line that we're just promoting, speak your mind, shopjosepharthur.com, little

00:48:58.860 plug there right at the top.

00:49:00.760 And weirdly, that's controversial.

00:49:02.960 I mean, maybe less so today than in 2020 and 2021 than, you know, when you were talking

00:49:09.080 about COVID and BLM was in the news and all of that.

00:49:12.160 But still, it is controversial, especially for young people.

00:49:15.700 Yeah, it's weird.

00:49:16.680 It's weird, you know, to grow up in America with the adage of, I don't have to agree with

00:49:23.840 what you say, but I'll defend to my death your right to say it.

00:49:27.500 I mean, that's kind of what I always thought was key in American values and just sort of

00:49:33.340 the soul of America, really.

00:49:35.460 So I first got alarmed when they canceled Alex Jones.

00:49:39.580 I didn't really know much about Alex Jones.

00:49:42.180 I wasn't like on that side of the political spectrum.

00:49:45.000 I always considered myself on the left.

00:49:48.420 But I was like, that's weird.

00:49:50.420 Why is nobody really speaking about this?

00:49:52.560 And it starts with an extreme character like that.

00:49:56.080 You know, they start with somebody they're not going to get pushback.

00:49:58.700 And then it goes all the way to trying to cancel someone like Joe Rogan, who is obviously

00:50:03.400 very middle of the road by, you know, by evidence, by the fact that he's the most popular voice

00:50:08.940 in media.

00:50:09.560 You couldn't be that if you weren't middle of the road.

00:50:12.880 So that's how this thing goes.

00:50:15.020 And it's it's just interesting that it continues.

00:50:17.520 And even now, with the CDC backpedaling on their covid guidelines and saying they made

00:50:24.400 mistakes, Fauci saying he's planning on stepping down, them blaming it on Trump for pushing

00:50:32.320 it to the FDA too hard.

00:50:34.120 Uh, so they're obviously backpedaling, but then there's still this kind of lockdown on

00:50:40.680 what you can and cannot say in the media or, you know, big tech platforms like Twitter and

00:50:46.720 Instagram and Facebook.

00:50:48.640 And yet, so we're in this period of real cognitive dissonance, I feel like, you know, where it's

00:50:53.880 like, what is it?

00:50:55.660 Is this, is this a bust?

00:50:57.380 Cause it seems like a total bust and everybody knows that now, but yet we're still trying to

00:51:01.880 pretend like it's viable and valid.

00:51:05.100 I don't know.

00:51:05.500 It's weird.

00:51:05.880 What do you think?

00:51:07.200 Well, I think it's fascinating and distressing that it's crossed over from hot button issues

00:51:13.640 like race, which you still should be able to say whatever the hell you want to say about

00:51:17.920 organizations like black lives matter, which we now know is basically run by a bunch of 0.99

00:51:21.820 fraudsters.

00:51:22.920 Um, we should be able to say that and it shouldn't be a cancelable offense and you'd be able to

00:51:27.280 push back on, you know, the, the growing change when it comes to identity politics and

00:51:31.700 how, you know, why is it okay to discriminate against Asians suddenly in the college setting?

00:51:36.000 You know, we had Vivek Ramaswamy on, on yesterday talking about his new book.

00:51:39.680 So final, so you can, so now Asians are at the bottom of the, the identity totem pole. 0.99

00:51:43.980 You can crap all over them, but just as long as you're elevating somebody who happens to 0.97

00:51:47.540 have a different color of skin, that's absurd. 0.99

00:51:49.760 It's illegal, right?

00:51:51.020 You should be able to say that and not lose your job or be shunned or ostracized.

00:51:55.620 So I believe you should be able to talk like that, but I understand that those are very

00:51:58.820 hot button issues, but when it crosses over into science, into our freedoms, into what

00:52:05.260 we have to put into our bodies to exist in polite society, to say, you cannot express

00:52:11.000 your opinion is next level insanity.

00:52:14.740 And that's what you got swept up into.

00:52:17.140 Well, you know what?

00:52:18.420 Science became religion when science turned into the science.

00:52:22.560 Once they put the, the, in front of it, that's when it boxed itself in.

00:52:26.280 That's when it was like no longer science.

00:52:28.220 It became the science and language is interesting in this whole thing.

00:52:32.980 Like also like when you, um, got, uh, segregated essentially for not taking the jab, which is,

00:52:40.980 you know, there's not really that many adequate synonyms for the word segregation.

00:52:44.960 There's like separatism.

00:52:46.500 None of them really hit the mark, but if you use that word, you got pillared as a racist

00:52:51.000 or as very insensitive, um, yeah.

00:52:53.880 So it's just this attack on language as well. 0.96

00:52:56.500 And of course the nature of science is open-ended debate and it was ridiculous.

00:53:01.220 Even a long time ago, before Rogan started speaking out about ivermectin, there was so

00:53:06.260 much anecdotal evidence that ivermectin was healing tons of people.

00:53:10.740 You could read comment threads on, you know, many platforms telling people talking about how

00:53:16.900 much success they had with that and ivermectin has a safety protocol better than Tylenol.

00:53:21.840 So even if it was just placebo in a pandemic, you should allow people to have it because

00:53:27.360 as we all know, placebo effects are actually effective, uh, you know, but it, but it, but

00:53:33.540 it was more than a placebo effect.

00:53:35.400 And the fact that that stuff was demonized that you couldn't even mention ivermectin, these

00:53:39.940 were the alarm bells that there's something nefarious going on, you know, like Brett Weinstein

00:53:44.900 just did a thing on his channel, dark horse podcast, where it was like 10, he said, he

00:53:51.220 said, I forget who he was talking to, but he said, if you did the opposite of everything

00:53:55.760 they told you to do, you would have done much better.

00:53:58.560 And that that's pretty much apparent right now.

00:54:00.900 That's like Sweden.

00:54:02.280 And then he said, um, if they got one or two things wrong, you could, you could chalk it

00:54:08.020 up to, they made a mistake, but if it's 10 out of 10, then there is, there's a conspiracy

00:54:13.360 there or a so-called conspiracy or an agenda.

00:54:16.520 And that seems evident when they demonize things like ivermectin, Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s

00:54:21.800 book, the real Anthony Fauci breaks that down in technicolor.

00:54:26.080 Yeah.

00:54:26.600 Yeah.

00:54:26.740 He's been on our show.

00:54:27.680 We've talked about it with him at length.

00:54:30.120 But yeah, no, I understand.

00:54:31.620 And I think, yeah, an agenda is probably a better word than a conspiracy because some conspiracy

00:54:37.400 theories really are lunacy.

00:54:39.240 I mean, truly like the one that everybody knows is the Q one where like the Democrats 0.98

00:54:42.500 have some pedophile ring out of a pizza shop in DC.

00:54:45.420 Like people believe that that's crazy stuff that that's not happening.

00:54:49.900 So yeah, conspiracy.

00:54:51.540 I don't like, but agenda I, I like, and I agree with.

00:54:54.600 Yeah.

00:54:55.040 I was using conspiracy, um, in the actual definition of the word when two are like, we could conspire

00:55:01.560 to go bowling later, you know, when two people say, Hey, let's go bowling.

00:55:04.960 They're, they're in a conspiracy to go bowling.

00:55:07.580 So I was just, but you're right.

00:55:09.420 That word is kind of thrown out of the English language.

00:55:13.200 But what you're saying is correct.

00:55:15.780 And, and it's, it's linked to what happened to you and millions of other Americans.

00:55:20.420 Yeah.

00:55:20.980 And I do wonder, we'll get to like the LA times and all that, but you just did the blowback

00:55:24.320 that you've had in speaking your mind against mask mandates, against the backs assertions

00:55:28.760 that were being put out there that we now know were untrue.

00:55:30.800 Um, and what we now know is that the pushback on, on your pushback was orchestrated.

00:55:37.840 It really was coming down from on high from our COVID gods who we now know, thanks to FOIA

00:55:43.860 requests by media organizations and congressional testimony and the Republicans in the house

00:55:48.040 got their hands on some great documents that Collins and Fauci and Walensky and others at

00:55:53.960 our, you know, national institutes of health and so on really were working together to

00:55:58.580 silence and ruin any dissenting voices.

00:56:03.120 Yeah.

00:56:03.960 They made examples out of us.

00:56:05.580 It's funny because part of what my sort of idealistic viewpoint on speaking out was, Hey,

00:56:12.340 if I speak out, it'll inspire others to speak out.

00:56:15.080 And to me, this stuff was clear because I was doing all kinds of research.

00:56:18.020 I'm not an anti-vaxxer.

00:56:19.620 I had a flu shot relatively recently before COVID.

00:56:23.960 So it wasn't like I had an automatic knee jerk.

00:56:26.340 All vaccines are bad.

00:56:27.840 Of course, they've done more to turn people into real vaccine skeptics over this as, as

00:56:34.220 only makes sense.

00:56:35.560 You know, a lot of people's viewpoints are changing as they should, because we're seeing

00:56:39.860 things a lot more clearly.

00:56:41.060 We're seeing, uh, layers, uh, come off of the ruse of, uh, you know, politics and big

00:56:48.780 pharma and how much corruption there is.

00:56:50.760 But yeah, they made an example out of me for sure.

00:56:53.000 And I think I sort of, you know, maybe had the opposite of heck effect of instead of inspiring

00:56:59.900 people, they, they made sure to scare people off of speaking their mind because I was quite

00:57:05.200 early on, this was before Rogan started speaking up and before Russell Brand started really

00:57:09.960 going ham on it.

00:57:11.640 Um, and so, I mean, I had a good career in music and art and, but, but it was a cult level,

00:57:19.900 let's call it, you know?

00:57:21.160 And so to get a four page Sunday times, uh, feature in the LA times art section, uh, was

00:57:29.120 a bit much and yeah, they went after, they started interviewing people in my life.

00:57:33.880 They were really digging and they called me an extremist and I'll, I'll, I'll tee that

00:57:39.680 up in one sec because I'm going to spend a little bit more time having the audience get

00:57:43.420 to know you and your background before we get to the LA times hit job.

00:57:46.220 Oh, okay.

00:57:46.800 Okay.

00:57:47.160 Okay.

00:57:47.580 Um, so you, um, where are you from originally?

00:57:51.500 Ohio.

00:57:52.360 That's why I'm a revolutionary because all the best revolutionaries come from Ohio.

00:57:56.880 That's like my, my producer, Canadian Debbie.

00:57:59.080 She used, she's from Ohio. 0.98

00:58:00.460 She was like lighting off pipe bombs when she was a kid. 0.92

00:58:02.540 She loves when I mentioned that.

00:58:03.860 We were bored.

00:58:04.580 All we could do was acid and listen to Led Zeppelin.

00:58:08.160 Sorry.

00:58:08.640 Am I allowed to say that?

00:58:09.320 You never disclosed that to me.

00:58:12.160 So I get it.

00:58:13.220 I get it.

00:58:14.060 So you decide you get into music and what, like, what was your first instrument?

00:58:17.340 Was it guitar?

00:58:17.900 What was the thing that got you really into it?

00:58:19.600 Bass guitar.

00:58:20.500 I slap and pop like flea, you know?

00:58:22.560 And so I was a professional musician before I got out of high school.

00:58:26.160 Uh, I played five minutes a week. 0.97

00:58:27.840 Were you a loser in high school? 0.90

00:58:28.980 Was music your escape or were you like the hot guy popular or like, you know? 0.96

00:58:33.980 I was an outlier similar to how I am in the world now.

00:58:37.780 I feel like, I don't know. 0.87

00:58:39.480 Some would call me a loser.

00:58:40.980 Some would call me the hot guy. 0.96

00:58:42.500 I don't like maybe somewhere in between.

00:58:44.480 I don't know.

00:58:45.060 Like, um, you know, I kind of found humor when I was a very young kid.

00:58:51.700 But I did first grade twice because the first time I was bullied really bad.

00:58:55.740 I mean, I think some people just have that sort of spirit in them where they're, they're

00:59:00.620 going to buck the system, you know, from very early on.

00:59:04.380 And I think I just have that in me.

00:59:05.920 I guess you could call it the punk rock spirit.

00:59:08.540 I don't know.

00:59:09.300 I like that.

00:59:10.540 Yeah.

00:59:10.800 So I, we played, I played bass five nights a week in this band called Frankie Star and

00:59:15.620 Chill Factor.

00:59:16.620 I was part of Chill Factor.

00:59:18.480 And, uh, we opened up for Stevie Ray Vaughan a couple of times.

00:59:21.540 I mean, we were a big blues band in Cleveland.

00:59:24.600 It was awesome.

00:59:25.540 Like how, cause you know, there's so many bands trying to just get noticed a little.

00:59:28.260 So what was the moment where you're like, holy shit, now we're going to open for Stevie 0.90

00:59:30.860 Ray. 0.89

00:59:31.800 Frankie Star, uh, was a genius prodigy guitar player.

00:59:35.300 Still is still probably playing the Cleveland scene.

00:59:38.500 And, um, yeah, we just, we had the clubs packed out.

00:59:42.440 I was making 50 bucks a night, five nights a week in high school.

00:59:45.560 I mean, that's good.

00:59:46.960 That's good money, especially for somebody with no expenses.

00:59:50.660 Well, how old are you now?

00:59:52.760 50.

00:59:53.880 Yeah.

00:59:54.160 So you're about my age.

00:59:54.920 Yeah.

00:59:55.060 So that's like, that's late eighties.

00:59:56.900 Um, that's a lot of dollars.

00:59:57.980 I can tell you that's a lot more money than I was making teaching aerobics back at the

01:00:00.760 time, which is how I was paying my, my young teenage bills and far less

01:00:05.240 cool than what you were doing.

01:00:06.800 And, and so then you start to collaborate.

01:00:08.780 Aerobics is pretty cool.

01:00:09.780 You know what?

01:00:10.320 It keeps you in shape.

01:00:11.340 That's all I'm going to say.

01:00:12.100 It's nice.

01:00:12.560 Yeah.

01:00:12.940 Another, another life in it, another body.

01:00:15.600 Um, sadly now, wait, I was looking at the list of where did I put it?

01:00:20.760 Of the guys who you have partnered with, like on your music.

01:00:24.180 And it's, it's crazy.

01:00:25.740 Like it's incredibly impressive.

01:00:27.480 I mentioned Peter Gabriel.

01:00:28.800 I noticed that you had a collaboration with, uh, with my friends at Pearl Jam, who I just

01:00:33.620 saw the other night, thanks to the guys at Sirius.

01:00:36.340 Um, it was, it was the base, the bass player, right?

01:00:39.720 Yeah.

01:00:39.980 Jeff.

01:00:40.140 Isn't that who you worked with?

01:00:40.860 Yeah.

01:00:41.020 Jeff.

01:00:41.660 Yeah.

01:00:42.080 Um, yeah.

01:00:42.940 Okay.

01:00:43.360 Uh, Danny Harrison, George Harrison of the Beatles, uh, son, Ben Harper.

01:00:47.340 Love Ben Harper.

01:00:48.420 Amazing.

01:00:48.960 Love, love all the, love all these people, by the way.

01:00:51.980 Still love all these people.

01:00:53.060 Michael Stipe of R.E.M.

01:00:53.660 Right.

01:00:53.920 Chris Martin of Coldplay.

01:00:55.260 I like, I could keep going.

01:00:56.780 So your career.

01:00:57.820 Well, Chris, I never played with Chris.

01:00:59.520 Chris covered one of my songs called in the sun with Michael for a Katrina relief thing,

01:01:04.600 but I never worked with Chris, but yeah, I've worked with lots of amazing people.

01:01:09.260 I've been very blessed, very fortunate.

01:01:11.400 And by the way, I don't have any animosity towards anyone that thinks differently than

01:01:17.220 me.

01:01:17.680 And I really wish people in general could disagree on issues that are important and yet still

01:01:24.800 remain friends and civil.

01:01:26.660 That that's the thing that I think is most important out of all this is that it's okay

01:01:32.500 to debate.

01:01:33.560 It's okay to disagree.

01:01:34.680 And you don't have to demonize people's character because they think differently and see things

01:01:40.360 differently.

01:01:41.000 This is a story of my life.

01:01:42.420 I mean, I, I, I'm living this as you are.

01:01:44.660 I, uh, all of my friends know my political views.

01:01:48.160 I mean, I talk about it all the time for a living.

01:01:50.220 Uh, and some of them, most of them are left or liberal.

01:01:53.700 Some of them are far left.

01:01:54.960 I've got a couple of friends who are way out there and, you know, we just, we don't

01:01:58.760 talk about politics when we're together.

01:02:00.340 I know what their views are because I see them on, on social media.

01:02:02.980 They know what my views are because I put them out there publicly, but we don't have

01:02:06.240 to talk about politics.

01:02:07.440 These people are absolutely lovely.

01:02:09.500 And I, most friendships are not based in politics.

01:02:12.400 So why would you make politics the stakes of a beloved friend?

01:02:15.960 Exactly.

01:02:17.280 Or vaccine status or a supposed vaccine.

01:02:20.300 Cause it's not really, and we don't have to go there, but you know, like imagine before

01:02:24.840 COVID, if you cared about whether or not somebody got a flu shot based, like, you know, you based

01:02:30.420 your, uh, continued friendship on, Hey, did you get your flu shot?

01:02:33.840 It's like, no one even ever asked that question.

01:02:36.780 No one cared.

01:02:37.880 You were, as I understand it, you were of the left.

01:02:40.740 You were more left leaning.

01:02:41.700 Oh yeah, for absolutely.

01:02:43.760 I was, yeah, back then I was, and I don't really like those divides now.

01:02:48.180 I, I like Bill Maher's take a little bit.

01:02:50.680 Like, I think he's like in this red pill journey.

01:02:53.280 That's really interesting.

01:02:54.240 He did this cool interview with Aaron Rogers, who's, um, emerging as a real voice of reason,

01:03:00.920 uh, which is awesome to have a quarterback become a voice of reason.

01:03:04.880 Like this is fun for society.

01:03:07.320 Um, but yeah, I, I relate to his journey with it.

01:03:11.440 Um, I think I'm also waking up to the propaganda campaigns that are identical to the one for

01:03:19.440 the COVID narrative.

01:03:20.420 And to me, they all blur as one, um, movement for subjugation and control.

01:03:27.180 So I suppose that angles me a little more right leaning these days, but you know, I never felt

01:03:34.140 good with the, I, those, those, uh, distinctions are used as, um, divisive measures now.

01:03:40.420 And I think that that's the opposite direction we need to go to as a society, you know, I

01:03:46.600 see you as like a Jennifer say, you know, the woman who was about to be CEO of Levi's and

01:03:52.000 she gently, she's living in San Francisco for God's sake. 0.99

01:03:55.280 And she gently pushed back on like the mask mandates being forced on her kids. 1.00

01:03:59.760 And she was treated like she was calling for immediate death penalty for all sixth graders.

01:04:05.000 I mean, that's the reaction to this poor woman was absolute madness. 1.00

01:04:10.020 She was in, she's not in a creative industry exactly, but she was in a serious position

01:04:14.660 of power in corporate America.

01:04:16.180 Another place where you cannot have free speech, according to the gods, you know, Fauci and

01:04:22.600 others when it comes to certain issues.

01:04:24.420 So yeah, you, most of her friends were of the left.

01:04:27.540 She was from San Francisco.

01:04:28.520 You had built a fan base that I guess was more lefty.

01:04:32.580 Total, total, total lefty fan base.

01:04:36.240 Okay.

01:04:36.660 And I, and I say this with all due respect to them and I hope they come on back now.

01:04:41.560 But, but, but unfortunately, because when it descended on me, it's like, it was a, it was

01:04:49.120 a nuclear bomb to what I had spent the last 25 years building for sure.

01:04:54.020 Yeah.

01:04:54.780 So you, it wasn't the LA times comes out with this four page piece on you in August of 2021,

01:05:00.320 but you had been, you know, flirting with totally exposing your views.

01:05:06.500 I don't, I feel like you had said a lot about, you know, challenging these authorities,

01:05:11.020 prior to that point.

01:05:12.340 Is that correct?

01:05:14.000 Yeah, no, that's why they, that's why they sought me out.

01:05:17.220 Cause I was already kind of going ham and I was getting told by a bunch of people to

01:05:21.800 stop talking and, and I just couldn't do it.

01:05:24.980 I've heard other people talk about this.

01:05:26.900 I already mentioned Brett Weinstein.

01:05:28.820 I guess I'm a fan apparently, but he, yeah, he's great.

01:05:33.220 And he had said he had no choice.

01:05:36.060 And that was something with me as well.

01:05:38.580 I, I was very shy to speak my mind about anything, um, really heavily.

01:05:44.720 Like when the, when the lockdowns first started, I was making sort of abstract art videos against

01:05:50.000 the masks and stuff, but I kept it abstract and artsy.

01:05:53.400 So I was kind of like fence sitting a little bit.

01:05:56.840 I, I went bold as soon as they said, we're going to give this to children.

01:06:01.960 That's when I was like, that's when whatever was in me that's that demanded, I speak up

01:06:06.720 really demand.

01:06:07.980 I speak up.

01:06:08.660 And that's when I said, there's no reason to give this to kids.

01:06:12.300 This is experimental.

01:06:14.140 Kids have a very, very low chance of anything, um, horrific happening to them as a result of

01:06:20.820 this, if any chance, um, this doesn't make sense.

01:06:24.880 This has no, this is not rational at all.

01:06:28.220 This makes no sense.

01:06:29.300 And I thought I would get some support with that because it was about the kids and that's,

01:06:35.180 I wasn't ducking under the kids.

01:06:36.960 It really was because I just love children, uh, as we, I think as most people do, um, you

01:06:43.240 know, and they're innocent, they need to be protected.

01:06:45.640 Um, and so I just felt a moral imperative at that moment that I couldn't stifle anymore.

01:06:52.880 You were so naive.

01:06:53.620 You were just walking in the lion's den, like the lion's going to take care of me.

01:06:58.860 The lion will love you.

01:06:59.500 Oh yeah, I'll be fine.

01:07:01.860 No, I was as naive as you can be.

01:07:05.120 I blame that on Ohio as well.

01:07:08.740 You need to spend more time with Debbie, um, on Facebook.

01:07:12.620 This is April, 2020.

01:07:14.300 And I feel you, Joseph, I got to say, I was in, um, Montana with my family during that

01:07:18.560 part of the pandemic when we were in doing the real lockdown, beautiful place, beautiful

01:07:22.580 awesome world.

01:07:23.480 And I remember, uh, a guy came over cause like our heater broke and he had to come fix

01:07:27.700 the heater at our place out there.

01:07:29.640 And he came in wearing a mask and I, I'm like, you don't need that thing on your face.

01:07:34.020 And he goes, Oh, thank God.

01:07:35.300 And we just had a laugh about, you know, the absurdity because people are like, Oh, it was

01:07:38.940 already turning into like your duty, your sign to the world.

01:07:42.620 So you, according to what I'm reading, we're already in the same place.

01:07:47.320 That first couple of weeks of the pandemic, of course, we're all like, what's happening?

01:07:50.340 All right, we'll try it.

01:07:51.500 We'll do our part.

01:07:52.960 Then you get to April already. 1.00

01:07:55.040 It's like, Oh, this is kind of stupid. 1.00

01:07:56.540 I'm not, I'm not wiping a grocery and I'm not wearing this stupid mask outside. 1.00

01:08:00.420 And this is what you posted on Facebook, which is very bold. 1.00

01:08:04.660 It's bold for a musician with an entirely lefty fan base.

01:08:08.060 Okay.

01:08:08.200 Here's what you write.

01:08:09.640 Who's in control here.

01:08:11.360 Are we part of a social experiment?

01:08:13.180 Always and forever.

01:08:14.340 Don't listen to fear.

01:08:15.760 What you create comes back to you.

01:08:17.660 The rules are unclear though, or are they crystal people hidden in masks through other

01:08:23.860 eyes like darts at the suspicion in the air.

01:08:26.440 Demarcations separate us by six feet in grocery store lines.

01:08:31.560 What's your inner voice saying?

01:08:33.760 Ah, yes.

01:08:34.640 Good stuff.

01:08:35.520 Good stuff.

01:08:36.080 So you're, you know, as they say, just asking, just asking.

01:08:39.660 Listen, did you get blow back there or no?

01:08:42.740 I don't, I don't remember.

01:08:43.940 I might've already been terrified of comments at that.

01:08:46.580 That reminds me of Naomi Wolf's book though, which I've been sort of semi obsessed with lately.

01:08:52.440 The bodies of others, excellent book on this, on what happened.

01:08:56.460 Just, she is an amazing mind.

01:08:59.100 And she talks about the demarcations in it and how this new thing of infantilizing adults

01:09:07.500 crept in.

01:09:09.000 And that was kind of put in beneath all this was like demarcations.

01:09:13.440 That's what they do at nursery schools for children. 0.74

01:09:16.520 Like you can recommend adults stay a safe distance.

01:09:21.100 You know, the six feet thing obviously is just, you're making that up.

01:09:25.720 Conspiracy.

01:09:26.040 Which they've admitted.

01:09:27.380 Yeah.

01:09:27.760 Conspiracy theorists could go like, oh, six feet, six feet deep.

01:09:31.420 You keep suggesting death.

01:09:32.860 You know, I, I realized that goes out there with my tinfoil hat, but you know, it's the,

01:09:37.920 the interesting part is the infant infantilizing thing that happened amongst all this.

01:09:43.700 And that, that crept in that we're, we'll make the rules for you.

01:09:47.540 We know better.

01:09:48.440 You just do what you're told.

01:09:50.180 All that suggestion was coming in and still comes in.

01:09:53.400 It's, it's kind of fascinating. 0.66

01:09:55.560 And shut up about it. 1.00

01:09:57.300 Shut up. 1.00

01:09:58.000 You would not. 1.00

01:09:59.760 Fast forward to June, June of 2021.

01:10:04.620 You post on Facebook, a screenshot of Fauci's email to Sylvia Burwell in which he rips on

01:10:10.860 masks.

01:10:11.660 Like, of course, cause Fauci does.

01:10:13.420 He knew that the masks didn't work writing in part.

01:10:16.380 The tip, this is Fauci.

01:10:17.600 The typical mask you buy in the drugstore is not really effective in keeping out the virus.

01:10:21.540 Hello.

01:10:22.080 And you post.

01:10:23.020 I remember a year or so ago when mentioning this somewhat obvious fact, which many shunned

01:10:27.500 scientists were reporting would be enough to get you hated by the masses and labeled a

01:10:33.180 conspiracy theorist.

01:10:34.620 Here it is in black and white from the guy, those same people were listening to.

01:10:39.020 You've been lied to, and you're still being lied to.

01:10:41.740 This liar Fauci is someone many of you are still listening to.

01:10:44.400 Stop doing that and stop doing that now. 0.80

01:10:47.640 Let the anger come.

01:10:49.540 That should be coming out of you.

01:10:51.780 Let it wake you up.

01:10:52.600 Let it save your life and the lives of your children and your children's children.

01:10:57.160 Fauci should go to prison, not just be fired.

01:11:00.400 I'd bet that is where this is going.

01:11:03.560 So that's probably what got you noticed by the LA Times.

01:11:06.400 I'm going to get.

01:11:07.780 Man, I don't remember being that bold.

01:11:09.720 I'm kind of proud of my former self.

01:11:11.800 You know, there was an amazing media person who did an incredible takedown of Fauci recently,

01:11:17.500 and everyone was talking about it.

01:11:19.340 Who was it?

01:11:19.960 Oh, yeah.

01:11:20.420 Megyn Kelly, your takedown of Fauci a couple of weeks back, or was it a week or so ago?

01:11:26.060 Who knows?

01:11:26.480 Time's weird.

01:11:27.220 But that was excellent.

01:11:29.020 That was really incredible.

01:11:31.720 Yeah.

01:11:32.200 I wonder if you got pushback on that or what the fallout from that was.

01:11:36.940 Well, you know, a friend of mine actually recently observed to me, and I think she's right.

01:11:40.520 She said, you know, MK, people are starting to cover you by just repeating your remarks.

01:11:44.560 And she said, I see this as a sign that even the left wing press is starting to agree with

01:11:49.260 some of what you're saying.

01:11:51.040 Oh, yeah, definitely.

01:11:52.860 So usually they, you know, they, whatever I say, they have to disagree with it because

01:11:57.120 they're envious or they hate me because I went to Fox or whatever, whatever their issues

01:12:00.900 are, they can take it up with their therapist.

01:12:03.100 OK, so then in some other posts that are equally bold and smart, there was the one in May 2021

01:12:08.520 on Facebook.

01:12:10.460 This is where you talked about the unfollow threat.

01:12:13.040 And you did what Gina Carano did, which is where you basically said, how do they get people

01:12:16.920 to go along with all this?

01:12:18.040 Well, it's kind of what the Nazis did with the Jews, comparing them to vermin before rounding 0.93

01:12:23.300 them up and taking them into camps.

01:12:25.680 And this is this is how she got canceled. 0.57

01:12:28.260 And of course, she rebounded, too. 0.99

01:12:29.580 So but you but you were getting bolder in sort of saying this bullshit, what's happening 0.99

01:12:34.500 to us and these are controlling masters and we've got to push back. 0.99

01:12:38.720 So then the L.A. Times meanders into your life.

01:12:41.920 And what made you decide to sit with the L.A.

01:12:45.480 Times instead of like, I don't know, the Daily Wire or the Wall Street Journal or somebody

01:12:49.840 who might be a little bit more fair?

01:12:52.640 OK, that's a really good question.

01:12:54.720 And yeah, it's OK.

01:12:57.520 So at that point in my life, I started losing a lot, you know, management, booking agent,

01:13:04.980 a band I had going on, a record deal.

01:13:07.740 I had a record mastered and ready to go.

01:13:10.660 Incredible record with an incredible band.

01:13:14.260 All that went away.

01:13:15.540 And on in the same like period of time, maybe like a week later, the L.A. Times came and said

01:13:24.100 they wanted to do something.

01:13:26.360 And the publicist I was working with was excited about it.

01:13:31.840 And we were doing freedom stuff.

01:13:35.240 My good friend Trevor Fitzgibbons, actually, he's he's a he's a great guy.

01:13:39.180 Um, used to used to work with WikiLeaks.

01:13:42.100 I think he's working with them again.

01:13:44.400 Um, and so I think in my head, I thought it could maybe help restore. 0.92

01:13:49.780 This is ridiculous. 0.73

01:13:50.780 This is like where my my mental faculties apparently broke all the way down. 0.98

01:13:55.660 But I think it was a reaction to fear.

01:13:58.500 Honestly, if I had been listening to my earlier post a little bit more about not following fear,

01:14:02.880 I probably wouldn't have done it, but it was me following fear to try to restore, um, the career

01:14:09.680 I saw just kind of get ripped out from beneath my feet.

01:14:14.300 Honestly, that's, that's the reason.

01:14:16.580 And, and, um, I trusted the writer.

01:14:20.340 I talked to him.

01:14:21.500 He seems like a good guy.

01:14:23.740 Um, and honestly, I don't, you know, who knows who, you know, a lot of this stuff gets put down

01:14:29.200 in editing with what they do.

01:14:30.820 So, um, the way they frame it, you know, um, you learn over time, you learn over time,

01:14:38.080 you live and you learn, but that's a, that's the million dollar question.

01:14:41.640 And, uh, that's, that's what happened.

01:14:44.160 So I get it.

01:14:46.480 I'm, let me tell you, I get it.

01:14:47.920 I, I've had enough profiles done on me and so on over the years.

01:14:52.060 I, I now trust almost no one.

01:14:54.700 I, well, I had a hard time coming on this show, honestly, like the post sort of traumatic

01:14:59.880 stress of it, like just a big media.

01:15:02.740 I mean, I'm in media.

01:15:03.720 I do a radio show for TNT radio, which is an excellent alternative station.

01:15:08.540 Um, that's, uh, you know, just sort of evolving and growing its wings.

01:15:13.240 Um, um, amazing, uh, colleagues there, Patrick Henningsen and, uh, Brian Hesher, McClain,

01:15:20.660 Adam Ruckus Clark, amongst others, Misty Winston, people who really speak truth to power.

01:15:25.540 So I'm honored to be a member of that.

01:15:27.960 So I'm used to being in the media, but where I can kind of control where it goes.

01:15:32.460 But so when you called and you weren't alone, there was a, a lot of people reached out to

01:15:37.240 me, um, once this case went through, uh, but this is the only media I've done for it so

01:15:43.760 far.

01:15:44.080 And it's just cause I trusted that you wouldn't, it wouldn't be a hatchet piece, but yeah,

01:15:48.380 it's hard to trust after something like that happens for sure.

01:15:51.480 Very much.

01:15:52.480 Well, thank you for trusting us with it.

01:15:54.160 And I'm, I'm sure we'll live up to it.

01:15:56.740 It's wrong what they did to you and not just the LA times, you know, the, the smearing of

01:16:02.620 you as some sort of weird conspiracy theorist or dark, you know, in the times piece, there's

01:16:08.840 some quote friend talking about you like as a dark addict.

01:16:12.000 I mean, they really tried to get you and instead of being, you know, your path back, it was supposed

01:16:18.420 to be, I think the last nail in the coffin, but as you know, you can only be canceled

01:16:24.620 if you let them cancel you and you've refused.

01:16:27.880 So wait, stand by.

01:16:29.120 That's a good, that's a good point to squeeze in a quick break.

01:16:31.520 And then we'll pick it up with what happened when you sat with the LA times and how Joseph

01:16:36.320 Arthur is fighting back.

01:16:38.520 What a delightful man.

01:16:39.460 I'm so, I love the show today.

01:16:41.200 I hope you're feeling the same.

01:16:42.200 Stand by for more with Joseph.

01:16:43.620 If there is anyone who is in the sun, will you help me to understand?

01:16:54.880 Cause I've been caught in between all I wish for and all I need.

01:17:02.920 Oh, maybe you're not even sure what it's for any more than me.

01:17:13.620 So beautiful.

01:17:37.800 So beautiful.

01:17:38.600 Thank you so much.

01:17:39.420 And that's the song in the sun by our guest, Joseph Arthur.

01:17:43.420 You're listening to the Megan Kelly show and what a radical you were even back then with

01:17:47.700 lyrics like may God's love be with you.

01:17:49.940 I mean, that's like, that may be the most radical thing you've done.

01:17:53.260 Absolutely.

01:17:53.940 Yeah.

01:17:54.140 I used to, uh, I mean, I've gone into, um, I identify as a Christian now at that point I

01:17:59.820 didn't, but I used to like saying, uh, bringing God into songs because of it, of it being sort

01:18:06.620 of a radical thing that could, I was aware of that with sad, but true.

01:18:11.420 That's the song also that Coldplay covered, um, after her and Katrina, you've had amazing

01:18:16.520 successes.

01:18:17.460 So all of that winds up in the place we are now, which is you sit down with the LA times

01:18:22.300 and they, they write this article about you.

01:18:26.620 And the headline is as follows, Joseph Arthur colon, the path from acclaimed artist to anti

01:18:36.240 vaxxer as if those two things are even mutually exclusive as if anti vaxxer is a dirty word

01:18:42.500 in and of itself necessarily, but they clearly are using it to disparage.

01:18:45.900 Um, and the problem that you say with this is it's actually untrue.

01:18:51.120 Anti vaxxer is not true.

01:18:53.780 And in fact, you had had discussions with the reporter about that very thing.

01:18:58.760 So tell us what happened.

01:19:00.200 Well, yeah, he asked me specifically if I was an anti vaxxer and at that point it was already

01:19:05.480 the worst thing you could be called in the world.

01:19:08.080 Um, you know, it meant the most insane human being of all time that, you know, is beneath

01:19:14.480 human consideration.

01:19:15.920 So of course I answered, no, I'm not an anti vaxxer, which I'm not, you know, I mean, anyone

01:19:22.540 who's done a little bit of research on the COVID injections and I try not to call them vaccines

01:19:27.740 because they're really not.

01:19:28.900 I mean, again, it goes to language, um, and redefining words.

01:19:33.000 It's not a vaccine in the traditional sense.

01:19:35.460 It's not like taking a little dead piece of the virus, a piece that can barely affect

01:19:41.080 you, injecting it into you to, you know, excite your innate immune system to fight against

01:19:47.120 it.

01:19:47.400 That makes total sense.

01:19:49.080 That's, that's vaccines, you know, that, that I understand.

01:19:52.660 I believe in that tech.

01:19:54.820 Um, but this is something totally different.

01:19:57.180 This is a medical technology.

01:19:59.100 It's experimental.

01:20:00.440 So I answered truthfully.

01:20:02.120 I said, no, I'm not an anti vaxxer.

01:20:03.760 I am, um, very, uh, concerned with this untested new technology that has no long-term safety

01:20:14.320 testing behind it.

01:20:16.180 And seems of, uh, seems to be a part of some kind of strange agenda, uh, where they're demonizing

01:20:23.520 things that make no sense to demonize, um, where they've taken away people's rights in

01:20:30.100 ways we've never seen before, where they've infantilized us to points that are absurd and

01:20:36.100 where they've shut down the conversation.

01:20:38.260 You know, it's alarming when, when you can't talk about something, that's when it becomes

01:20:42.620 alarming.

01:20:42.960 So, yeah, I just answered, no, I'm not anti-vaxxer.

01:20:46.560 Um, you know, and I texted the journalist right after the article came out and I said, dude,

01:20:52.440 I, you asked me that directly.

01:20:53.860 I answered directly that I'm not, and yet it's the headline that I am what's up.

01:20:59.080 And he, and he just responded, Hey, they do that in editing.

01:21:03.940 I didn't do that.

01:21:05.140 So, I mean, I even have that text response from, which is kind of interesting.

01:21:09.440 That won't save them.

01:21:10.940 That won't save them.

01:21:12.560 Exactly.

01:21:13.000 It's like, he admits it, that it's like not true, you know?

01:21:17.700 So, yeah.

01:21:19.620 And by the way, the editors didn't talk to you.

01:21:22.280 So how do they know?

01:21:23.140 Their source of the reporting is him.

01:21:25.860 So they made it up.

01:21:27.700 That's basically what he's saying.

01:21:29.060 Oh, they made it up.

01:21:30.120 Yeah, of course.

01:21:31.020 Yeah, absolutely.

01:21:31.840 A hundred percent.

01:21:32.540 They made that up.

01:21:33.720 So just to give the audience the flavor, um, they clearly, and the thing is dripping with

01:21:39.080 disdain.

01:21:39.540 Um, the Brooklyn based Arthur 49, as you were living in Brooklyn at the time, believes that

01:21:44.840 a coordinated effort is afoot and times type of stuff.

01:21:47.700 He calls it by pharmaceutical companies.

01:21:50.080 Oh my.

01:21:50.400 Yeah.

01:21:50.680 Well, and I'm waiting for this to end with like, what, what did he say?

01:21:54.360 That the pharmaceutical companies, the medical industry complex and the government, I'm waiting

01:21:57.860 for you to end it with, got together and created the COVID virus and unleashed it on 0.53

01:22:02.920 us all to control us.

01:22:04.020 That, uh, yeah, that's conspiratorial.

01:22:05.840 That's not what you said.

01:22:06.620 You said that they, a coordinated effort by those folks to silence those like him who

01:22:11.980 are questioning the science.

01:22:13.200 Yes.

01:22:13.600 Behind the vaccines.

01:22:14.360 That's exactly what we know they actually have done. 0.52

01:22:16.700 We've seen proof of that, but they spin it in a way that makes you sound like a loon.

01:22:21.820 And they go on to say, Arthur's gone so far as to use the term segregation, which we touched

01:22:26.640 on a minute ago while discussing the blowback that he's received.

01:22:29.980 Go look up a, uh, you know, what's it called?

01:22:32.180 Go look up a simile for segregation.

01:22:34.420 Is it simile or no?

01:22:36.300 What's the word I used before?

01:22:38.200 A synonym.

01:22:38.400 A synonym.

01:22:39.160 Sorry.

01:22:39.480 Yeah.

01:22:39.600 A synonym.

01:22:40.180 Go look up one.

01:22:41.060 There's not really an adequate one.

01:22:43.160 There's separatists.

01:22:44.020 I've looked it up because I got a lot of pushback over the time.

01:22:47.500 It's like, we have to be able to use words to describe things.

01:22:50.920 You can't just take language.

01:22:52.680 I'm not saying it was worse than the segregation that happened amongst the races.

01:22:56.740 Of course not.

01:22:57.520 That's not, it's not a value judgment like that.

01:22:59.980 It's just describing something.

01:23:01.540 If you segregate people, you're segregating them.

01:23:04.420 It sometimes happens because of what's worse race, obviously. 0.95

01:23:09.840 But it also happened recently amongst the vaxxers and the anti-vaxxers or the supposed,

01:23:15.220 you know, using their wording.

01:23:17.500 But, but like, you know, like my last six months in New York, we relocated to Arizona, but my

01:23:22.300 last six months in New York, I couldn't go to a coffee shop.

01:23:24.800 I couldn't go to yoga studios.

01:23:26.120 I couldn't go to restaurants.

01:23:27.820 I couldn't go to anywhere.

01:23:29.140 I had like art shows, which I couldn't even go into.

01:23:32.380 I had paintings hanging in places I could not go.

01:23:35.560 Because you didn't have the vaxxers.

01:23:37.180 Right.

01:23:37.740 So, I mean, what does, what, what's the word that describes that when you do that to a wide 0.91

01:23:42.940 range of the population?

01:23:44.580 There's, there's only one word that really does it.

01:23:46.840 Anyway, not to belabor that point, but it's just.

01:23:49.280 Yeah, no, I get it.

01:23:50.160 So then they go and they find somebody who chooses to remain unidentified.

01:23:55.520 I anonymous for this piece, anonymous sourcing like this is very controversial.

01:24:00.400 So people know in modern day journalism, it's becoming more and more ubiquitous.

01:24:04.380 And it didn't used to be done like this used to.

01:24:06.680 Maybe you give somebody anonymity in a piece if they're leaking the Pentagon papers to you,

01:24:10.440 if they're leaking something that's very obviously going to endanger them or get them

01:24:14.860 fired if they release, not just because they want to smear somebody and don't want their

01:24:19.160 name attached.

01:24:20.460 That's what this person did to you.

01:24:22.480 That's what the LA Times allowed this person to do to you in the following.

01:24:26.500 Arthur's always been an extremist in his actions, notes one former member of Arthur's music team

01:24:31.240 who declined to be identified to protect their friendship. 0.84

01:24:35.300 OK, he's an addict, right?

01:24:38.480 So he was either a full on addict or full on clean and very preachy.

01:24:42.760 This is part of the extremes that he struggles with.

01:24:46.360 What did you make of that?

01:24:49.160 Well, listen, it's you know, there's truth to some of that stuff.

01:24:54.380 Like I do have I'm a sober person.

01:24:57.640 I have dealt with addiction when I do get into exercise and fitness.

01:25:03.320 I do get extreme about it.

01:25:05.280 You know, like when I get into research about covid and wild stuff, I get kind of way deep

01:25:11.000 into that.

01:25:11.600 That's how I became so educated on it.

01:25:14.420 So, I mean, in a way, yeah, the way they're framing that is a big smear.

01:25:19.640 But also, you know, that kind of quality in a person isn't always so bad when they guide

01:25:25.440 it in the right way.

01:25:26.420 Now, they would say me talking about physical fitness and what I'm doing online is preachy.

01:25:33.360 You could look at it that way and maybe that's true.

01:25:36.180 Or you could look at it like I'm trying to inspire other people to have a better life.

01:25:40.580 That's the way I frame it in myself.

01:25:43.180 It's all kind of a projection as to the person from the person perceiving it.

01:25:49.080 You know, that that's what we've learned in social media as well.

01:25:52.140 If you think about it, this whole thing has been propagated by the fact that people a don't 1.00

01:25:59.180 really have a lot of people don't have purpose in their life or they're struggling for purpose.

01:26:04.020 We all are.

01:26:04.900 You know, that's nothing horrible to say.

01:26:07.480 And so in lieu of purpose, you can throw in all these divisive propaganda campaigns and

01:26:13.580 people will jump into them.

01:26:15.140 It's like if you have a God sized hole, the darkness will flood in, you know.

01:26:19.620 Um, but social media made people addicted to likes and addicted to, um, approval and, and

01:26:29.560 me too.

01:26:30.220 I mean, like there's no, uh, I'm, I'm no different.

01:26:33.320 So what that's done though, is locked people into silence because they're so afraid of social

01:26:39.040 shame.

01:26:39.520 If you think about it, the root of all this is social shame.

01:26:42.640 The fear of social shame is so extreme that people, you know, that meme, the best meme of

01:26:48.200 the year is I support the current thing, you know, and that's really kind of what social

01:26:52.880 shame has done to people.

01:26:54.120 It's neutered them. 1.00

01:26:55.640 But the thing is, if you speak your mind, if you raise your voice, your soul expands that

01:27:00.860 way.

01:27:01.180 You evolve into a different being.

01:27:03.400 You, your soul's evolution is, um, dependent on you speaking your mind.

01:27:08.440 If you don't speak your mind, you annihilate yourself.

01:27:11.140 So you're doing the job, uh, of the people that want you silenced for them, you know?

01:27:16.620 So to that smear, you know, to that smear, I would just say guilty as charged.

01:27:22.000 That's your perception of it.

01:27:23.680 Um, I'm, you know, I'm proud to be sober.

01:27:26.280 The only addictions I have now are caffeine and nicotine. 0.99

01:27:30.740 Uh, you know, these, these darn nicotine things. 0.76

01:27:33.920 I don't smoke, but apparently nicotine helps with COVID anyway, but that's it. 0.98

01:27:38.060 So, you know, and I, and I do work out a lot.

01:27:40.500 I went on a run today, right before the Megyn Kelly show, barefoot in the park, go get,

01:27:45.320 go ground yourself, go on a run.

01:27:46.960 Does that make me preachy to some?

01:27:49.000 It would to others.

01:27:49.960 They'd go, Hey, that's a good, that's a good idea.

01:27:52.700 Let's go on a run, you know?

01:27:54.200 So there you go.

01:27:54.900 Well, no, I just wanted to follow up and say to your point about like the, the, the

01:27:59.140 void, you know, that people are trying to fail by affiliating with these extreme views.

01:28:03.640 I mean, I think their views are extreme, right?

01:28:05.180 That you're, you're some sort of terrorist.

01:28:06.660 If you have questions about the backs, if you're a backs questioner, you're, you're 0.95

01:28:10.200 a VQ, um, you know how it's like LGBTQ now.

01:28:13.260 I used to think Q was queer, but then, uh, uh, somebody high up in the, one of these, 0.97

01:28:17.760 you know, glad, I can't remember who it was, but was telling me it stands for questioning.

01:28:21.060 I'm like questioning, questioning doesn't get a letter.

01:28:23.680 Anyway, if you're a VQ-er, um, they think you're extreme.

01:28:27.100 I think they're extreme.

01:28:28.480 Um, we had a guest on the show last week named, uh, Nicholas Carderis, who was saying

01:28:31.940 we have a crisis of emptiness right now.

01:28:34.360 That's what we have.

01:28:35.160 Well, there you go.

01:28:36.120 That's it.

01:28:36.820 That's how they've ushered this whole thing in.

01:28:39.480 And that's why more and more people are like turning to God and stuff like that, because

01:28:44.180 that's a direct reaction to the fact that evil is revealing itself, you know?

01:28:48.780 And, and that's the other thing that you did a show the other day.

01:28:52.380 Um, I, maybe it was a couple of days ago.

01:28:54.260 I, I tuned in and they were framing this whole thing as a spiritual war.

01:28:58.240 And that kind of rhetoric is making its rounds on big media, um, for formats now too.

01:29:05.180 And that's unusual.

01:29:06.140 And that's true though.

01:29:07.520 We're seeing, I think it was Roland Martin.

01:29:09.100 We were talking about Roland Martin who went on MSNBC and was saying it's more, so we're

01:29:12.780 seeing evil.

01:29:13.540 The other side's evil.

01:29:15.280 Then what's the other side?

01:29:16.680 The other side is true too.

01:29:18.020 The other thing is everything I said a year or so ago or more, um, it's kind of the mainstream

01:29:24.920 narrative on all this now.

01:29:26.680 That's, that's the funny thing.

01:29:28.280 Nothing I said.

01:29:30.040 It's just, but let me jump in with this because we have a short, short time left and I have

01:29:33.480 to get to what you did. 0.97

01:29:35.400 So unlike most people, including yours truly, when I see terrible shit written about me, 0.98

01:29:39.860 but I'm a public figure who can, who can never be defamed. 0.96

01:29:43.000 You actually said, I'm going to do something about this.

01:29:47.160 I've been defamed.

01:29:48.740 I'm not an anti-vaxxer.

01:29:50.420 I understand that's, that is used as a slur, a smear, and you hired a good lawyer and you're

01:29:58.260 suing them.

01:29:59.140 So what do you hope to get out of your defamation case against the LA times?

01:30:04.960 Honestly, I hope to do what my original intention was, was to help motivate other people to speak

01:30:12.860 their mind.

01:30:13.700 That's really what's important.

01:30:15.100 And I think if everyone spoke their mind and really said what was on their mind and

01:30:20.320 hearts, that all this sort of agenda to control us and, and, and on and on it goes would

01:30:28.540 disappear in a heartbeat.

01:30:29.800 We're already seeing that.

01:30:31.240 We're already seeing it kind of fall away in the, in the sort of nefarious implementations

01:30:36.840 of control fall by the wayside.

01:30:38.640 But more and more people just need to speak up, you know, there, there shouldn't be all

01:30:42.160 this censorship.

01:30:43.400 And so hopefully I'm, it'll be a symbol of fighting back and ultimately how you will prevail

01:30:50.420 if you raise your voice.

01:30:51.680 This is the theme of the show today.

01:30:55.020 I'm going to speak your mind.

01:30:56.440 He's shown us his t-shirt.

01:30:57.900 This is what Nigel Farage was saying too, you know, fight.

01:31:00.380 I agree.

01:31:01.160 You have to.

01:31:02.100 And if you really want to be inspired on what not fighting looks like on what keeping your

01:31:06.360 head down and your mouth shut looks like, and feels like you got to listen to Douglas

01:31:10.840 Murray.

01:31:11.280 The first time he ever came on the show, we got into it.

01:31:13.900 It was the, the interview kept going and going.

01:31:16.420 He's one of my very favorite commentators on earth and with the British accent, there's

01:31:20.940 something extra to it, you know, like dying in your bed.

01:31:24.980 Now I'm doing Braveheart, but this day, would you give all the days from this day to that?

01:31:29.740 Okay.

01:31:29.920 That's Braveheart, but it's sort of like that.

01:31:33.340 And that's his point.

01:31:35.460 Like, great.

01:31:36.580 You, you'll have made it through life without anybody smacking you, without anybody criticizing

01:31:41.620 you or saying the mean things.

01:31:43.840 How's that going to feel?

01:31:45.020 Like your soul is dead.

01:31:48.140 Enjoy.

01:31:49.980 Well, can you imagine living through this whole thing and just keeping to yourself and keeping

01:31:54.780 quiet while all this is going down, while everything that's going down in our world is happening?

01:32:00.180 I mean, I feel free and liberated to really keep speaking my mind and I do.

01:32:05.080 So that to me is, is the gift of doing it.

01:32:09.060 Even if you take the lumps, you know, but, but what we have is an opportunity to reveal

01:32:14.360 courage, you know, and these kinds of opportunities don't happen, but once in a lifetime, and there

01:32:20.460 will be another side to this, this, we will get to the other side of this and this war

01:32:26.800 will be over and you'll be living with what you did or did not do.

01:32:31.380 And so you have to think about those things.

01:32:35.220 So what was it bad?

01:32:36.660 I mean, quickly, when the LA Times piece hit, did you lose even more of your fan base?

01:32:42.340 Oh, yeah.

01:32:43.740 Yeah.

01:32:44.320 Like I had gigs booked, um, which, you know, and I had already, you know, like I said, lost

01:32:50.340 a band and this other thing that was about to be kind of a big deal.

01:32:53.940 Um, but I still have my solo gigs, a couple of those booked in some clubs where normally

01:33:00.080 they would roll out the, this sort of proverbial red carpet for me to a degree, canceled straight

01:33:06.820 away, everything.

01:33:08.020 And then even when I got like a little independent record deal in Europe, I had people calling

01:33:12.820 them and hassling them.

01:33:14.400 I mean, they, they, they want to gut you and make sure you, you know, don't get back up

01:33:21.300 on your feet.

01:33:21.920 You stay good.

01:33:23.560 So what, um, now here we are more than a year later, are people starting to come back

01:33:28.920 to you or people starting to find Joseph Arthur?

01:33:31.640 And by the way, how can my people do that if they want to listen to more of your music

01:33:35.700 and support you?

01:33:37.040 Well, I appreciate it.

01:33:37.860 Go to josepharthur.com.

01:33:40.100 We have, we're releasing a song, um, a week on band camp.

01:33:44.880 We've just started that campaign.

01:33:46.200 So we're like four songs in, you can get speak your mind merch at shop josepharthur.com.

01:33:51.920 Which is our Shopify store.

01:33:53.600 That's also linked at josepharthur.com.

01:33:55.760 Sign up for our mailing list.

01:33:58.100 Follow me on Twitter at Joseph Arthur, Instagram at Joseph underscore Arthur and TNT radio led

01:34:05.120 by Mike Ryan, who's amazing broadcaster and just that whole team there.

01:34:08.920 They've given me, um, a format and I'm really grateful for them for, um, yeah, giving me a

01:34:14.860 place to speak my mind.

01:34:16.220 And that's a great station that people should be checking out as well.

01:34:20.020 So you're going to find a whole, you're going to find a whole new constituency that has your

01:34:25.340 back that doesn't give an F about staying within the proper coloring lines.

01:34:31.640 In fact, they enjoy people who press the limits and stand for free speech.

01:34:35.580 You're going to, you're going to see bit by bit, um, and you're going to wind up so much

01:34:39.300 better off.

01:34:39.920 All the best to you.

01:34:40.960 So happy to be supporting you and we'll continue to follow the case as well.

01:34:44.520 And keep doing your great work, Megan.

01:34:47.080 It's amazing.

01:34:47.880 I really appreciate the chat with you today.

01:34:51.100 Likewise, Joseph, all the best to you.

01:34:55.120 Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show.

01:34:57.080 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - September 13, 2022

Harry and Meghan's Selfishness, and Media Smears, with Nigel Farage and Joseph Arthur ｜ Ep. 390

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