The Megyn Kelly Show - April 23, 2025


Hegseth Goes On Offense, SCOTUS Arguments on LGBT Curriculum, FDA Fights Food Dyes: AM Update 4⧸23


Episode Stats

Length

18 minutes

Words per Minute

165.99435

Word Count

3,100

Sentence Count

201

Hate Speech Sentences

3


Summary

Pete Hegseth goes on offense against leakers with the Pentagon and a media looking for a win against the Trump administration. I guess I m not understanding why Montgomery County school board stands alone in the country. The U.S. Supreme Court is hearing arguments over mandated LGBT curriculum for young children. And RFKJ announces the FDA will phase out artificial food dyes. All that and more coming up in just a moment on your AM Update.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Good morning, everyone. I'm Megan Kelly. It's Wednesday, April 23rd, 2025. And this
00:00:08.040 is your AM update. They've come after me from day one, just like they've come after President
00:00:13.140 Trump. It's not hard for me to do this job. I know exactly why I'm here. Secretary Pete
00:00:18.140 Hegseth goes on offense against leakers with the Pentagon and a media looking for a win
00:00:23.440 against the Trump administration. I guess I'm not understanding why Montgomery County
00:00:27.900 school board stands alone, I think, in the country. The U.S. Supreme Court hearing arguments over
00:00:33.100 mandated LGBT curriculum for young children. And RFKJ announces the FDA will phase out artificial
00:00:40.580 food dyes. All that and more coming up in just a moment on your AM update.
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00:01:51.120 drip, drip, drip media narrative suggesting under his leadership the Pentagon is in chaos.
00:01:57.840 Mr. Hegseth telling Fox News the attacks against him will not prevent the administration from
00:02:02.860 accomplishing badly needed reforms within the Pentagon. They've come after me from day one,
00:02:07.760 just like they've come after President Trump. I mean, I've gotten a fraction of what President
00:02:12.720 Trump got in that first term. What he's endured is superhuman. It's not hard for me to do this job.
00:02:18.500 I know exactly why I'm here, to bring warfighting and the warfighting ethos back to the Pentagon,
00:02:24.060 to rip out the insidious ideologies and not compromise and not back down, to bring in new press
00:02:30.880 voices into the Pentagon, which we've done, to reestablish standards and accountability,
00:02:35.460 to not tolerate leakers, to 100% operational control of our border, to get rid of trans lunacy
00:02:42.780 in the military. We haven't backed down. So here's the thing. A lot of people come to Washington
00:02:47.680 and they just play the game and it's, you punch their ticket and get along to go along and, you
00:02:53.900 know, start doing meet the press and, and go into the council on foreign relations and spending time
00:02:58.240 with all the new cocktail sipping crowd. That's not why I'm here. I'm here because President Trump
00:03:03.380 asked me to bring warfighting back to the Pentagon every single day. That is our focus.
00:03:09.460 The Pentagon currently conducting an investigation into a series of leaks, including military plans
00:03:15.080 relating to the Panama Canal and a planned briefing for Elon Musk, allegedly regarding China and Ukraine.
00:03:22.520 Amid preliminary results of the Pentagon's investigation, three of Secretary Hegseth's
00:03:27.200 top aides fired and escorted out of the building on Friday. One aide, senior advisor Dan Caldwell,
00:03:34.020 a longtime friend of Secretary Hegseth's, going back to Mr. Hegseth's work at Concerned Veterans
00:03:39.260 for America. Mr. Caldwell telling Tucker Carlson on Monday, he believes he was fired, not for leaking,
00:03:45.860 but because he opposes military intervention with Iran.
00:03:49.580 There are obviously specifics I can't get into, but I think it is fair to say that a war with Iran
00:03:57.060 risks being incredibly costly in terms of lives and dollars and instability in the Middle East.
00:04:04.960 Lives and dollars, American lives, American dollars.
00:04:07.580 The lives of Americans, the lives of Iraqis, of Saudis, of Bahrainians, of-
00:04:13.760 Israelis.
00:04:14.080 Emiratis, yes, of Israelis. And of course, Iranians. It could be an incredibly costly war.
00:04:22.920 And I think that that is very obvious to anybody who's been watching the region for a while.
00:04:30.120 The Trump administration is currently negotiating a new Iran deal,
00:04:33.780 with the president repeatedly threatening if diplomacy fails, all options are on the table.
00:04:38.340 I think that Iran has a chance to have a great country and to live happily without death.
00:04:45.880 And I'd like to see that. That's my first option. If there's a second option,
00:04:50.140 I think it would be very bad for Iran.
00:04:53.140 We can confirm, as Mr. Caldwell told Tucker Carlson, that his phone was not searched,
00:04:58.320 nor was he subjected to a polygraph before termination. However, there are other methods
00:05:03.660 of ascertaining leaks, checking who printed which documents, for example. The Pentagon's
00:05:09.200 investigation is still ongoing. No sooner had these three been fired from the Pentagon than
00:05:14.420 the hit pieces on Pete Hegseth began. For example, the New York Times attempting to revive the
00:05:20.460 signal gate controversy with reporting based on anonymous sources of a second signal chat in which
00:05:27.260 the secretary allegedly shared sensitive information with his brother and his lawyer,
00:05:32.100 both of whom work at the Pentagon, and with his wife, who does not. The White House making clear
00:05:37.860 they think these hits are payback against the secretary. They were Pentagon employees who leaked
00:05:43.620 against their boss to news agencies in this room. And it's been clear since day one from this
00:05:49.520 administration that we are not going to tolerate individuals who leak to the mainstream media,
00:05:53.760 particularly when it comes to sensitive information. And the secretary of defense is doing a
00:06:00.100 tremendous job. And he is bringing monumental change to the Pentagon. And there's a lot of
00:06:04.160 people in this city who reject monumental change. And I think, frankly, that's why we've seen a smear
00:06:09.280 campaign against the secretary of defense since the moment that President Trump announced his
00:06:13.320 nomination before the United States Senate. Secretary Hegseth addressing head on his longstanding
00:06:18.340 ties to Mr. Caldwell and the other recently fired aides. If one or two of these guys is exonerated
00:06:24.700 after an investigation, great. That's what investigations are for. But we took it seriously.
00:06:30.160 It led to some unfortunate places, people I have known for quite some time. But it's not my job to
00:06:35.420 protect them. It's my job to protect national security, the president of the United States,
00:06:40.040 and let the investigation go where it is. So when that evidence is gathered sufficiently,
00:06:44.220 and this has all happened very quickly, it will be handed over to DOJ. And those people will be
00:06:49.200 prosecuted if necessary. Steve Bannon, longtime Trump advisor and senior counselor to the president
00:06:54.700 Trump 1.0, telling The Megyn Kelly Show, while Secretary Hegseth's focus on rooting out leakers
00:07:00.280 is understandable, it risks pulling attention away from key Trump 2.0 priorities.
00:07:05.660 We have to have a sense of urgency. Right now, we are burning daylight. We're 18 months away or
00:07:11.020 however long away from the midterm elections where if they raise $2 billion and flip a couple of seats
00:07:16.400 in New York and California, Hakeem Jeffries is going to speak at the House. They're going to impeach
00:07:20.480 Trump in the first weeks. And people are not at DOJ, at FBI and others are not moving quickly enough
00:07:27.080 and fast enough for the sense of urgency and even CIA and DNI of taking down the deep state. These
00:07:33.140 people are at war with President Trump. What's happening to Pete Hegseth is part of that war.
00:07:37.700 They're dug in now more than ever and understand they need to get rid of Trump and they need to get
00:07:42.200 rid of Trumpism. Folks, you have to understand this deep state. This just didn't occur overnight.
00:07:46.960 This has been 40 or 50 years. All those generals and field officers and civilians have been around
00:07:52.720 forever as part of the deep state of the Pentagon. They're just not going to have Pete Hegseth come
00:07:57.000 in with President Trump's ideas and a handful of people and say, oh, this is terrific. Why didn't
00:08:01.240 we think of this? Because they're going to bury President Trump in that way. And that's why I
00:08:04.760 think we have to be even more aggressive. Coming up, could the Supreme Court be ready to side with
00:08:10.900 parents suing over mandated LGBT curriculum for young children? And RFKJ announces the FDA will
00:08:18.660 phase out artificial food dyes. As President Trump is settling into his new administration,
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00:09:06.900 The U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday hearing arguments from a group of Maryland parents
00:09:12.600 seeking to exempt their children from public school lessons involving LGBTQ-themed books.
00:09:19.620 The parents, who are Muslim, Christian, and Jewish, from one of the most Democrat-leaning counties in the
00:09:24.900 U.S., suing Montgomery County Superintendent Thomas Taylor. The dispute beginning in November 2022,
00:09:31.100 when the school district introduced a set of LGBTQ-inclusive books into the English language
00:09:37.660 arts curriculum for pre-K through fifth grade students. Some of the books in question,
00:09:43.260 Pride Puppy, a story about a dog lost at a pride parade. Love, Violet, about a young girl
00:09:49.980 overwhelmed by her crush on a female classmate. Jacob's Room to Choose, about transgender students
00:09:56.860 who lead a campaign to make their school's bathrooms gender neutral. Each of these texts
00:10:02.020 accompanied by bright and colorful pictures appealing to small children. Initially, parents
00:10:07.560 were given the choice to opt their students out of lessons involving this curriculum. But in March of
00:10:13.420 2023, the school board reversing course, announcing families could not opt out and parents would no
00:10:19.280 longer be informed even of when their children were exposed to these materials. Lawyers for the school
00:10:25.340 board arguing an opt-out policy, quote, gave rise to three related concerns, high student
00:10:31.020 absenteeism, the infeasibility of administering opt-outs across classrooms and schools, and the
00:10:37.160 risk of exposing students who believe the storybooks represent them and their families to social stigma
00:10:43.020 and isolation. The conservative justices on the high court pressing the lawyer for the Montgomery
00:10:48.260 County School District on why opt-out programs are not feasible, from Justices Brett Kavanaugh and
00:10:54.540 Samuel Alito. I guess I'm not understanding why Montgomery County School Board stands alone.
00:11:00.220 I think in the country, you can tell me if there's another school board that's done something like
00:11:05.400 this. The kind of books that are being used and prohibiting opt-outs, and I guess I'm just not
00:11:12.160 understanding. They're not asking you to change what's taught in the classroom. They're only seeking
00:11:16.640 to be able to walk out so that the parents don't have their children exposed to these things that
00:11:21.840 are contrary to their own beliefs. What is the big deal about allowing them to opt out of this?
00:11:27.600 Attorney for Montgomery County Schools, Alan Schoenfeld, telling the court the school board
00:11:31.880 tried to implement an opt-out program but found it increasingly complicated.
00:11:36.560 Let's say the school, an exquisitely competent and well-resourced school, is able to say,
00:11:41.640 on Tuesday at nine o'clock, we're going to read Uncle Bobby's wedding, we're going to make
00:11:44.800 arrangements for alternative space, we're going to give suitable supervision for our six-year-olds,
00:11:49.960 and we're going to give them an alternative assignment that accomplishes the same ELA
00:11:53.420 goals. Let's say that happens, right? That they were able to pull off. The next week,
00:11:59.380 someone says, that was my favorite book ever. I'm going to pull it off the shelf and I'm going
00:12:02.880 to ask Alan to sit down and read it with me. What happens then? The teacher can't simply summon
00:12:07.500 a librarian to come to the school, say those were the kids who opted out of that lesson.
00:12:11.620 Well, I don't think you're really answering my question.
00:12:14.480 Justice Ketanji Brown-Jackson, a progressive appointed by Joe Biden, appearing to side with the
00:12:19.700 school board.
00:12:20.160 It wasn't as though the books were being introduced for the purpose of enhancing the gender and
00:12:26.260 sexuality component, and therefore people can opt out of that whole thing. It was that we're talking
00:12:31.860 about English here. And in addition to the other kinds of picture books we have on the shelf and
00:12:37.400 we talk about in class, we're going to introduce these books as well. I think that seems pretty
00:12:42.260 infeasible in English when you're talking about reading instruction, that every time this particular
00:12:48.040 kind of book comes out, we have to start letting people leave the classroom.
00:12:52.740 Mr. Baxter, for the parents, arguing that under existing Supreme Court precedent,
00:12:57.180 the inability to opt out of the lessons places an unconstitutional burden on parents seeking to
00:13:03.020 adhere to their religious beliefs. I think there's three main ways this court has reviewed that.
00:13:08.220 Under Yoder, it would be, is there substantial interference with the parents' ability to direct
00:13:13.380 the religious upbringing of their children? We think we've shown that here. Under cases like
00:13:18.180 Sherbert that have continued through to Fulton, it's, are the parents being pressured to abandon
00:13:23.900 or modify their religious beliefs in order to access a public benefit, like public education?
00:13:31.480 And then I think we also have what I think Justice Gorsuch may have been suggesting, just if there's
00:13:35.760 straight up discrimination where some religious students are opted out and others aren't, then that
00:13:41.340 itself would also be a burden. And I think we satisfy any one of those tests.
00:13:45.920 Press Secretary Caroline Levitt addressing the case from the White House briefing room on Tuesday.
00:13:50.360 We hope the Supreme Court will do the right thing. And the president has been very clear. He stands
00:13:54.220 on the side of parental rights, and he believes strongly that parents should have a greater say
00:13:59.000 in their children's education.
00:14:00.540 Restoring parental control in education, a cornerstone of the Trump administration,
00:14:05.640 following years of DEI-driven curriculum that the administration argues is antithetical to
00:14:10.880 traditional American values. The Supreme Court's decision expected in June.
00:14:17.640 HHS Secretary RFKJ and FDA Commissioner Marty McCary on Tuesday announcing plans to phase out
00:14:24.620 FDA-approved artificial food dyes from America's food supply within two years.
00:14:30.100 Today, the FDA is taking action to remove petroleum-based food dyes from the U.S. food supply and from
00:14:37.020 medications. For the last 50 years, American children have increasingly been living in a toxic
00:14:43.500 soup of synthetic chemicals. The scientific community has conducted a number of studies
00:14:49.920 raising concerns about the correlation between petroleum-based synthetic dyes and several health
00:14:56.720 conditions, such as attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, obesity, diabetes, insulin resistance,
00:15:04.280 cancer, genomic disruption, GI issues, as I've seen in the hospital, and allergic reactions.
00:15:12.000 They want to eat petroleum. They ought to add it themselves at home.
00:15:16.080 They shouldn't be feeding it to the rest of us.
00:15:19.000 In the last days of the Biden administration, the FDA begrudgingly moving to ban the use of
00:15:23.860 red dye number three. The FDA citing a statute known as the Delaney Clause prohibiting FDA
00:15:30.420 authorization of a food or color additive if it has been shown to cause cancer in humans
00:15:35.540 or animals. Two studies show red dye number three causes cancer in male rats exposed to high rates.
00:15:42.760 The FDA at the time saying, quote, the way that red number three causes cancer in male rats does not
00:15:48.140 occur in humans. Under the leadership of Secretary Kennedy and Commissioner Marty McCary, the FDA now
00:15:54.400 taking a different approach. Dr. McCary describing the administration's philosophy in an exclusive
00:15:59.660 interview last week with the Megan Kelly show. What I don't understand is if there's enough
00:16:04.340 preliminary data to suggest that there may be carcinogenic effects or genomic disruption or
00:16:10.020 associations with attention deficit disorder or a whole plethora of families that are saying,
00:16:16.280 hey, once we started eliminating these petrochemical food colorings from the food of my child,
00:16:24.240 their behavior improved. When you have enough of that, it's not, look, they're not
00:16:29.540 giant randomized control studies over 10 years for each food dye. We're not going to get that.
00:16:34.000 But when you have enough preliminary data to suggest these petrochemical food dyes are concerning,
00:16:40.380 who then would conclude, you know what, let's just risk it. It's fine. We'll wing it. We'll be,
00:16:46.400 you know, the kids will probably be fine. Why do that? Right. When we have all of these chronic
00:16:52.520 diseases increasing right in front of our eyes that were rare a generation ago. These artificial dyes are
00:16:58.560 found in many desserts and products marketed to children, sugary cereals and fruit snacks,
00:17:03.380 but they also show up in places you might not expect, like pickles, farm-raised salmon and granola
00:17:09.100 bars. Multiple studies linking some of these dyes to behavioral issues in children, including
00:17:14.720 hyperactivity and attention problems, raising serious concerns about their widespread presence in
00:17:20.060 so many foods, especially those targeted at children. The latest move, part of a broader campaign to
00:17:26.120 clean up the U.S. food supply and identify root causes of chronic diseases and neurological disorders
00:17:32.080 affecting Americans at unprecedented rates. Earlier this month, Secretary Kennedy bucking the
00:17:37.800 establishment narrative, calling autism an epidemic. Mr. Kennedy acknowledging that genetics may play a
00:17:43.980 role, but genetics alone cannot account for the sharp rise in autism diagnoses, now one in 31
00:17:49.900 children. The secretary promising answers by September on what else may be driving the surge.
00:17:55.720 And that'll do it for your AM update. I'm Megan Kelly. Join me back here for The Megan Kelly Show,
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