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00:00:31.000 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.580 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Friday.

00:00:47.260 Okay, can I just tell you something before we get started?

00:00:49.460 You know what I did this morning? I did the best thing. The best, best thing.

00:00:53.840 It was a talent show at our daughter's middle school.

00:00:58.640 She's finishing eighth grade. And so it was all the girls in this middle school doing their thing.

00:01:04.600 I am such a sucker for this stuff. Guys, I cried like five times.

00:01:09.280 I just, you know, like, not like the ugly cry, but cried.

00:01:12.080 I mean, like, actual tears. Over what? Kids I do not know. Like, some random child getting up there and singing.

00:01:22.040 You know, some amazing, some not that amazing. Didn't matter.

00:01:25.820 Just like the, just the risk of it. You know, just these little girls getting up there and, like, standing alone in front of a microphone, looking out at a full audience and singing.

00:01:39.400 That takes guts. That's ballsy. And then other girls do. It was like everything from, like, one girl did the Irish, you know, step dancing. That was great.

00:01:49.300 And another girl played the violin. Another girl, she was a sleeper, a sleeper candidate, came out there with a guitar.

00:01:56.680 She played the first couple of chords. I was like, OK, let's see if she can play.

00:01:59.820 And then she started singing. She was a voice of an angel.

00:02:02.380 It was like, brought down the house. My daughter and her dear, dear friend have done the same thing, I think, all four years of middle school.

00:02:11.500 In our town, it goes fifth through eighth, where they put on an enormous animal costume and do a dance to get, like, last year.

00:02:20.600 I think they were a horse. And this year, I don't know what the costume was this year.

00:02:24.520 Was it a dog? It was unidentifiable.

00:02:26.980 So all of it, it just makes me cry because it's, like, risk-taking, a moment in the spotlight.

00:02:34.280 And here's the other thing I loved about it.

00:02:36.540 I loved that these girls, you know how we talk about mean girls, and that's a thing.

00:02:42.620 That's for sure. That's a thing.

00:02:45.000 Well, here's the great thing about girls that you probably aren't going to see at the All Boys Assembly.

00:02:51.260 All of them, like, with their arms up for the listening audience, I'm waving, like, hands left to right.

00:02:58.620 And with every girl singing, with every girl's piano solo, you know, the whole auditorium.

00:03:05.240 And, like, shouting out the girls, like, total support, solidarity, sisterhood.

00:03:11.940 Not a hint of mean girl action. Not a hint of it.

00:03:15.000 Just total support and, like, clicks for their fellow middle schoolers.

00:03:19.820 It was so uplifting.

00:03:21.820 I don't know how they managed to make middle school pleasant, but they did.

00:03:25.580 My daughter had a great time in it.

00:03:27.220 I watched it happen with her and her friends.

00:03:29.700 And congrats to all these girls who are trying to do middle school in a different way.

00:03:35.160 And to these girls who got up on stage today and sat in the front row of their life.

00:03:39.640 Love it. Absolutely love it.

00:03:41.140 Okay. We, right here, have a great show lined up for you.

00:03:45.600 It's not going to have Irish stepdancing.

00:03:47.840 But it is going to have Link Lauren, which is, I mean, almost as good.

00:03:51.640 He's the latest member of our MK Media team.

00:03:55.400 And his podcast launches on Monday.

00:03:59.360 He's a former senior advisor to RFKJ, which is perfect because there is so much Maha drama happening right now.

00:04:07.480 And Link is ready to spill the tea, as they say.

00:04:11.340 There's plenty to get to, including the continued media storm around the nomination of Casey Means to Surgeon General.

00:04:17.460 But it kind of goes beyond that.

00:04:18.920 And there's new reporting today on the relationship between 73-year-old Bill Belichick and 24-year-old Jordan Hudson.

00:04:25.680 Is she banned from the University of North Carolina?

00:04:29.620 Link is going to tell us why he's Team Jordan.

00:04:33.140 What?

00:04:33.520 But he is the host of the new podcast, Spot On, with Link Lauren.

00:04:38.720 It launches Monday.

00:04:40.200 Here's a preview.

00:04:41.140 Take a look.

00:04:44.100 It's 2025.

00:04:45.640 The Democrats are in free fall, stumping for gang members in men and women's sports.

00:04:49.940 Disney is tanking.

00:04:51.080 Dylan Mulvaney's writing memoirs.

00:04:52.820 It's a crazy world we're living in.

00:04:55.220 My name is Link Lauren, and I'm here to guide you through it all.

00:04:58.540 But make no mistake, this is not a safe space.

00:05:01.540 And if Kamala Harris, if it were her cocaine, she probably would have been a lot more productive as a vice president.

00:05:07.180 They didn't think it was a threat to democracy having a brain-dead president, Joe Biden, for the last four years.

00:05:12.400 I'm tired of people just giving James Carville his flowers because he's our elder.

00:05:16.760 I'm not going to just respect my elders.

00:05:18.840 He is a swamp creature.

00:05:20.000 My new show, Spot On, with Link Lauren, officially launches Monday, May 12th with MK Media.

00:05:25.460 I'm a content creator and political commentator who built trust with my audience by calling it like I see it.

00:05:31.240 That's not changing.

00:05:33.280 You might know me from TikTok, TV, the Kennedy campaign, and some of you might not know me at all.

00:05:39.200 With Spot On, we're going to dive into the swampy waters of Washington, D.C., the woke cesspool of Hollywood, and everything in between.

00:05:46.120 Let the games begin on Monday, May 12th.

00:05:48.820 I'll see you on the next one.

00:05:50.080 Bye.

00:05:50.580 I love this guy.

00:05:51.900 Whoever the hell that is.

00:05:54.240 That's a great promo.

00:05:57.260 Link, welcome.

00:05:58.100 Everybody go subscribe and follow now so you don't miss the premiere episode.

00:06:02.260 It's called SpotOnWithLink.com.

00:06:05.760 You can go there.

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00:07:38.480 Great to see you.

00:07:39.340 Are you excited?

00:07:40.760 I am so excited.

00:07:43.100 I'm not even going to pretend like I've been here before.

00:07:45.260 I am so excited, Megan.

00:07:46.560 I'm so grateful to you.

00:07:48.320 I told you this privately.

00:07:49.420 I have no shame in saying this.

00:07:50.980 For years, one of my top career goals was just to even come on the Megyn Kelly show.

00:07:55.740 I was like, if Megan would know that I exist someday, I want to go on Megan and I want to go on Bill Maher.

00:08:00.540 Those are my two goals.

00:08:01.980 So for years, I would hit you guys up.

00:08:03.880 I'd ask people if they knew who booked your show.

00:08:06.000 Maybe I could get on Megyn Kelly.

00:08:07.860 So for now, to have this deal and to have your blessing, it's like such a God is good, surreal moment.

00:08:14.780 And it's also just a full circle moment for my audience too because I don't say this with hubris or anything.

00:08:19.980 I know I've worked to earn every single viewer that I have.

00:08:23.460 I've turned out thousands of viewers, stay up late, filming, editing, giving up time with family just to churn out those videos for them.

00:08:30.240 And so for you giving me a seat at the table, I feel like I've left the side door open for them to come in with me.

00:08:35.220 And I'm just a conduit for what they're interested in and their issues.

00:08:38.400 So we're all so grateful to Megan and her entire team.

00:08:41.100 So thank you.

00:08:41.620 Thank you.

00:08:42.260 Seriously.

00:08:42.860 I'm having a Megan Markle moment.

00:08:44.580 Like I have people on the podcast who are just going to say nice things about me.

00:08:47.520 I swear that's not what's happening here.

00:08:49.020 No, I know you hate that.

00:08:50.320 I know you hate that, but I have to.

00:08:53.200 Thank you for that.

00:08:54.100 Honestly, we're lucky to have you.

00:08:55.380 You're a total rising star.

00:08:57.100 And in a year, everybody's going to be like, oh my God, why didn't we try harder to get Link?

00:09:01.140 And I'm going to look at them all and say, too bad and too late.

00:09:04.080 It was very obvious the first time we saw you that you're a special talent and you have a special way of communicating.

00:09:09.440 Not everybody has it.

00:09:10.620 There's a special ingredient list that goes into really connecting with an audience.

00:09:14.620 And even people who I really respect and who are very charming to me personally don't always have the right combo, at least in my eyes, to really succeed as an independent host in a podcast.

00:09:27.580 And you've got those qualities in spades, Link.

00:09:29.760 Lauren, can't wait to watch your numbers go through the roof.

00:09:33.700 OK, let's get right to it.

00:09:34.960 I'm so excited for the first episode.

00:09:35.940 Yes, let's get in.

00:09:36.840 And you and you have a great guest who is Callie Means.

00:09:40.440 Hello.

00:09:41.080 Talk about like perfect timing.

00:09:43.060 But before we show a clip from Callie Means, let's talk about Callie Means.

00:09:47.380 Callie Means is the brother of Casey Means.

00:09:49.460 Casey Means is now our nominee for Surgeon General.

00:09:52.000 The other woman, Janet Neshawatt, has been turfed.

00:09:54.580 She's going to take some random job within HHS.

00:09:57.180 My information is it was an RFKJ move all the way.

00:10:00.880 He didn't know or want Janet Neshawatt.

00:10:03.580 He knew and wanted Casey Means.

00:10:06.020 That makes perfect sense to me because Casey's integral to the whole Maha movement.

00:10:10.460 With all due respect to Janet, she wasn't.

00:10:12.800 She's not really even a part of it.

00:10:14.320 So, of course, he would want one of his like main gurus, lieutenants.

00:10:18.920 I think she's both to him right at the helm of his own messaging on health.

00:10:23.420 But my God, this is like the Maha people are they love drama.

00:10:28.820 They're they're very dramatic, Link.

00:10:31.320 Like I love them.

00:10:32.900 But this is a lot of drama over the Surgeon General pick.

00:10:37.160 OK, like I love Casey.

00:10:39.360 But like we're treating this like it's, you know, the National Security Advisor or like the Secretary of State.

00:10:46.600 OK, so what the hell is happening?

00:10:48.500 Give us your 30,000 foot view.

00:10:50.420 You work for RFKJ, so you know this world and these people very well.

00:10:53.340 And what's happening?

00:10:54.220 Uh-huh.

00:10:55.280 I know way too much.

00:10:57.840 One thing about me is I am known for having no drama, not in a Switzerland way.

00:11:02.480 I never bring drama online.

00:11:04.200 I'm very diplomatic.

00:11:05.280 It's my people in politics.

00:11:06.480 No, they can trust me.

00:11:07.420 I have seen some things I will never say.

00:11:09.300 I can say with unequivocal certainty, I support Casey Means as Surgeon General.

00:11:14.160 And I would request that anybody who is contesting Casey, can you name any other Surgeon General, right?

00:11:19.700 All these people online who are upset.

00:11:21.720 Is Surgeon General some big role that we have followed?

00:11:24.240 No.

00:11:24.560 The fact that we're even talking about it now is a huge win.

00:11:28.080 And I also I don't say this because I sat down with Callie Means.

00:11:30.700 We taped our interview last week before all of this.

00:11:33.780 But Casey and Callie are some of the most effective surrogates for the Maha movement, right?

00:11:37.980 They have been talking about ultra processed foods and food dyes and getting chemicals out of our water for years, far before it was popular in the mainstream.

00:11:45.740 And so I think a lot of these Maha folks need to remember a year ago, you couldn't even get the mainstream media to cover these issues.

00:11:52.440 So the fact that they're talking about them now, look how far we've come.

00:11:56.240 And also there's this narrative that Casey and Callie Means they must be Manchurian candidates because they're so skilled on air.

00:12:02.900 They're just so talented and polished.

00:12:05.300 That's who you want in the Trump administration.

00:12:07.480 Howard Lutnick said during the transition when they were nominating people, they would put clips of Scott Besson up on the screen, Pam Bondi speaking.

00:12:15.360 And that's how they would decide who to put in the cabinet.

00:12:17.760 They wanted folks who could be effective surrogates.

00:12:19.940 So wouldn't you put Casey in that role?

00:12:22.000 The next thing I'll say is this.

00:12:23.160 From a political calculus standpoint, I think Casey is a genius move.

00:12:27.680 I know Trump is already thinking about the midterms.

00:12:30.060 He's doing tons of MAGA Inc. fundraisers.

00:12:32.440 He's gone to Virginia several times to do fundraisers.

00:12:34.680 Everybody's thinking about the midterms and what could happen.

00:12:37.820 We have Bobby in there who's a huge MAGA voice.

00:12:40.320 But to grow the MAGA-MAGA coalition, elevating a strong woman's voice like Casey who's effective on air and on camera is such a smart move moving forward.

00:12:50.380 And that's why I support it.

00:12:52.520 Totally.

00:12:53.180 I agree with you on all fronts.

00:12:54.840 But man, oh man, are they trying to take her down.

00:12:57.860 It is the weirdest collective hit.

00:13:00.100 Now listen, without casting these aspersions on any individual, I will say there's no question in my mind that Big Pharma doesn't want her and Big Ag probably doesn't want her.

00:13:10.620 And so she's going to have some very powerful enemies.

00:13:13.420 And we saw this, again, I'm not talking about any individual person, but I guarantee you some collection of the attacks on her that we're seeing on X are bought and paid for.

00:13:22.400 Because we saw this.

00:13:23.760 Remember when they were pushing to not have snap benefits include the ability to buy like Coca-Cola?

00:13:31.460 And then it came out that some of these people who are going to be hurt by these revisions were trying to pay, like the lobbyists for these groups, were trying to pay random influencers to be like, oh, this is big daddy legislation.

00:13:44.660 You know, conservatives to try to speak to conservatives to try to turn the MAGA group against this reform.

00:13:50.440 And there's no question they're not going to lie down and let somebody like Casey Means become the messenger.

00:13:56.700 They already have to deal with RFKJ.

00:13:58.740 They're pissed off enough about that.

00:14:00.140 Right.

00:14:00.380 So these are very deep pocketed people.

00:14:02.520 And I'm sure there are some online right now who are being paid by them.

00:14:06.880 I'd love to find out for sure.

00:14:08.580 And then there are others who have legitimate, you know, honest, like questions about Casey.

00:14:12.860 And that's fine.

00:14:13.400 That's politics.

00:14:14.160 Hello.

00:14:14.700 But here's an example of some of the stuff we're hearing.

00:14:17.420 So Callie Means versus Nicole Shanahan.

00:14:21.480 We didn't get to this yesterday.

00:14:23.820 Nicole Shanahan, RFKJ's running mate.

00:14:27.380 I can't stand Callie and Casey.

00:14:30.980 I didn't know this, but she came out.

00:14:33.720 I don't have the tweet in front of me, but man, did she lay into them.

00:14:37.440 She called them like Manchurian assets and said, I was promised that if I supported RFKJ in his Senate confirmation for the HHS role, that these two wouldn't come anywhere near HHS or government.

00:14:54.220 So did Bobby lie to me or what?

00:14:58.200 Because they, to me, are so weird and aggressive.

00:15:01.000 This is Nicole Shanahan that they seem like Manchurian assets.

00:15:06.420 Now, Brett Baer asked Bobby Kennedy about that.

00:15:11.080 He had like a health panel of the top health health officials last night.

00:15:14.140 And here's what happened.

00:15:18.020 She was the top of her, the very top of her medical class at Stanford.

00:15:22.620 She is in every, during her residency, she won every award that she could win.

00:15:27.400 She walked away from traditional medicine because she was not curing patients.

00:15:32.600 She couldn't get anybody within her profession to look at the nutrition contributions to illness.

00:15:38.860 And she said, if we're really going to heal people, if we're healers, we can't just be making our life about billing new procedures.

00:15:48.040 We actually have to figure out new approaches to medicine.

00:15:51.620 Your former running mate weighed in today saying that she wasn't happy about this and said that you're somehow being controlled.

00:15:58.580 Your decisions are being controlled.

00:16:00.620 That's what she posted.

00:16:01.880 Listen, you guys sitting here, four people who were all canceled during COVID.

00:16:06.820 Yeah, that's right.

00:16:07.860 Of these people are, you know, you've got an, the entire leadership of this agency is renegades who are, you know, who are juggernauts against convention and who are trying to look for truth no matter what the cost.

00:16:22.040 So nobody's controlling your decisions among those.

00:16:24.140 So it's interesting.

00:16:26.440 He didn't, you know, he didn't take on is somebody controlling me, but he's basically saying everybody up here is a renegade and kind of uncontrollable for the record.

00:16:33.440 He was with Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, who was canceled during COVID.

00:16:36.140 Dr. Marty McCary of Johns Hopkins, who now runs FDA and Dr. Mehmet Oz, who's going to be overseeing Medicare and of course, RFKJ.

00:16:43.660 Go ahead, Link, your thoughts.

00:16:45.420 Well, I can tell you he certainly cannot be bought or controlled.

00:16:49.340 Bobby would probably be much wealthier if he could be.

00:16:51.920 And as for Nicole Shanahan, I'm going to say something that I know she would agree with, Bobby would agree with.

00:16:57.560 They keep saying Bobby's running mate says this.

00:17:00.700 RFK's running mate, Nicole Shanahan, says this.

00:17:03.380 This isn't a Trump-Vant situation where they were out campaigning together and making tons of decisions together.

00:17:09.280 Besides our March 26th announcement in Oakland at the Henry J. Kaiser Center, which several of us helped to plan, I think Bobby and Nicole were in the same room together twice.

00:17:17.920 I think they saw each other get in person two times, maybe.

00:17:22.020 So these journalists who are writing, like Nicole is some close advisor and ally of Bobby who's turned around and shanked him.

00:17:27.420 That's just not the case.

00:17:28.580 You know, Bobby's career went on.

00:17:29.900 He got the nomination to HHS.

00:17:31.620 He's been killing it at HHS and accomplishing more in the first hundred days than I think any of us ever expected.

00:17:37.920 So this narrative that, oh, his close ally and friend in Nicole has turned on him is just anathema to reality.

00:17:45.120 Okay, but she doesn't seem to be in his camp anymore.

00:17:48.980 I mean, that tweet, my team just sent it to me.

00:17:51.160 She writes, this is what she wrote when the Casey Means news broke late on 5-7, so two days ago.

00:17:58.600 So this doesn't make any sense.

00:18:00.220 I was promised that if I supported him in his Senate confirmation, neither of these siblings would be working under HHS or in an appointment, and that people much more qualified would be.

00:18:08.200 I don't know if RFK very clearly lied to me or what's going on.

00:18:11.900 It's been clear in recent conversations that he is reporting to someone regularly who is controlling his decisions, and it isn't President Trump.

00:18:19.520 Then she says the part about the siblings being artificial and aggressive and Manchurian.

00:18:22.580 And so she's turned on him.

00:18:24.780 There's no question in my mind reading that tweet that there's no love lost between these two.

00:18:28.820 My point I'm making is that it's not a turn on him situation.

00:18:33.520 I don't think they were super simpatico 12 months ago.

00:18:36.760 That's the point I'm trying to make.

00:18:37.680 It's not.

00:18:38.140 They're painting this narrative that, oh, his close ally, they've turned on each other.

00:18:41.160 This is the Maha Civil War.

00:18:43.220 She's been doing her own thing since kind of the start of the campaign when she joined us in Oakland.

00:18:48.140 Like I said, they only appeared together, I believe, twice for events.

00:18:51.860 And so Bobby's been doing his own thing.

00:18:53.460 And like I said, he's the one with the pedigree.

00:18:55.940 He is the face of Maha.

00:18:57.360 He's the head of Maha.

00:18:58.640 Casey and Callie have been instrumental to Maha.

00:19:00.720 Like I said, they were Maha before that was even coined as a term.

00:19:04.140 And I'm not knocking Nicole whatsoever, but it is convenient that she has a new contract with The Blaze and her new show she's promoting.

00:19:10.300 And now she's generating tons of media and press off of this when she kind of hasn't had anything to do with HHS since January 20th at the inauguration.

00:19:18.900 But here she is speaking of her show with On The Blaze.

00:19:22.220 She gave an interview to Glenn Beck yesterday following up in this tweet.

00:19:24.860 And here's what she said.

00:19:26.460 Maha had had, you know, any movement.

00:19:29.300 MAGA had this issue, too, of infiltration by different groups that are more self-serving than they are for the movement itself.

00:19:39.980 And so just one example, Casey Means is a founder of a company that does biometric harvesting.

00:19:51.440 She's very close with many of the big data biometric harvesting companies in Silicon Valley.

00:20:00.460 And this, I know several of these people.

00:20:02.800 You do not want them running in a government position that is responsible for everybody equally.

00:20:08.340 Our job is to continue to seek the best possible people for government that are truly putting the principles of this country first, the principles of American sovereignty first.

00:20:24.360 Thoughts on that?

00:20:26.000 So I want to tell you what I told Nicole last year.

00:20:29.000 Nicole ended up buying a house five minutes from me, five minutes from where I sit right now.

00:20:32.880 We went to dinner a few times.

00:20:34.120 We've hung out a few times.

00:20:35.460 She was very open about her miscarriage.

00:20:37.040 I remember being at the house and her telling me she was pregnant with her partner, Jacob.

00:20:40.840 It was a beautiful moment.

00:20:42.320 But for Nicole, I told her last year, if you are passionate about staffing or certain people you want in the administration, call Trump's scheduler and set up a lunch or a meeting.

00:20:52.400 Fly to Mar-a-Lago and go have dinner with him on the patio and say, here are some names I think you should consider.

00:20:57.360 Even right now, if she's upset, it's fine that she's at home tweeting.

00:21:00.500 I'm happy she has a strong Wi-Fi connection.

00:21:02.660 Set up a dinner.

00:21:03.420 Trump will meet with you.

00:21:04.520 President Trump is the most accessible president.

00:21:06.360 He wants to hear from a wide range of people and make decisions that way.

00:21:10.300 So if Nicole is so passionate and worried about these things, sitting at home tweeting isn't going to change it.

00:21:15.240 Hop on a flight.

00:21:16.200 I told her that last year, last fall, go talk to President Trump.

00:21:19.900 Go talk to Susie Wiles.

00:21:21.240 Go talk to Sergio Gore, who's in charge of personnel.

00:21:23.740 But it's easy to sit at home and tweet.

00:21:25.240 It's a lot harder to get in the arena and actually make change.

00:21:28.280 It's easier to sit at home and write checks than to get in there and do it.

00:21:30.900 I have not seen her sit, get on a plane and go see President Trump.

00:21:34.420 And it's now been 12 months.

00:21:36.160 So I thought it was good advice.

00:21:38.520 I think he would so meet with her.

00:21:39.880 He would so meet with her.

00:21:40.780 I told her that during the nominations.

00:21:42.140 I said, if you want to be part of this administration, the train's moving along without you.

00:21:46.420 You probably aren't going to be part of it if you don't go set up lunch at Mar-a-Lago.

00:21:50.780 Go meet with them.

00:21:51.680 Every other business leader and wealthy person was flying to Mar-a-Lago after November 5th.

00:21:56.020 Heads of state were flying to Mar-a-Lago.

00:21:57.840 I know people might not remember.

00:21:59.500 Zuckerberg was flying to Mar-a-Lago.

00:22:00.980 I told Nicole, the train's going to leave you behind.

00:22:03.780 Hop on a plane.

00:22:05.100 Hop on a plane and go see the guy and plead your case of who you want.

00:22:08.260 That has yet to happen.

00:22:09.700 So we're tweeting.

00:22:10.360 Well, here's the thing.

00:22:10.880 So you're right.

00:22:11.780 Bobby Kennedy is at the heart of Maha.

00:22:13.880 I mean, he's been living Maha for decades without it having that name.

00:22:18.940 And that's the whole reason he threw his hat into the presidential ring.

00:22:22.020 Not the whole reason.

00:22:22.720 He's got a lot of issues with how government is being run.

00:22:25.140 And things like the, you know, military-industrial complex, too, bother him.

00:22:28.560 He's got a lot of great issues that resonate.

00:22:30.340 But this is at the core of how he's lived his life as an environmental lawyer.

00:22:34.220 But what happened with Maha, I mean, to my memory, I'm sure people will correct me.

00:22:38.060 But what happened with Maha was Bobby was running his race.

00:22:42.960 Then he got kicked out of the Democratic Party.

00:22:45.300 And he obviously wasn't going to win that nomination.

00:22:48.040 And there was a question about whether he was going to endorse Kamala or Trump.

00:22:53.140 And the Kamala team turned their back on him.

00:22:56.560 They were so stupid and short-sighted they wouldn't even talk to him.

00:23:00.640 But he has this huge contingent of people who really connected with him.

00:23:04.680 And Trump was like, yes, I will talk to you.

00:23:07.780 So that happened.

00:23:08.780 And at the same time, Tucker had on Casey and Callie Means together.

00:23:15.020 And it was an episode that went totally viral.

00:23:17.620 She's sold 1.5 million copies of this book, which is huge.

00:23:23.740 She wrote it, but with Callie's help.

00:23:26.740 And he's a similar crusader in that he worked for Coca-Cola.

00:23:30.620 And then he kind of became like a whistleblower on how these industries corrupt us.

00:23:33.800 And they worked together to get RFKJ to endorse Trump.

00:23:42.040 And Tucker was part of it.

00:23:43.660 And the next thing we knew, he did.

00:23:46.200 That partnership was born.

00:23:47.560 And when they did that dual announcement, refresh my memory if I'm wrong, Link,

00:23:50.580 but that's where they coined the phrase, make America healthy again.

00:23:54.120 When their partnership, Trump and Kennedy, came together.

00:23:57.180 And the means were in on it.

00:23:58.380 And so, like, they're right at the center of Maha.

00:24:02.520 Like, they're not satellite to it.

00:24:05.580 They're not Johnny-come-latelys to it.

00:24:07.280 They've been pushing this from long before Tucker found them.

00:24:12.220 That's, you know, all these years of experiences are in good energy, the book.

00:24:16.000 So it makes perfect sense to me why Bobby Kennedy would trust them and say,

00:24:20.760 this is the person to be the spokesman for what we're doing.

00:24:24.360 Absolutely.

00:24:24.880 I think Maha was coined at the arena in Glendale back in August of 2024.

00:24:29.380 I mean, one of the most iconic political moments in history.

00:24:32.580 And shout out to President Trump's team for putting that together with the fire

00:24:36.120 and the pyrotechnics and the Foo Fighters music.

00:24:38.740 I mean, that is going to go down in history.

00:24:41.380 I love production value.

00:24:43.060 Trump is the consummate producer.

00:24:44.820 But yeah, this Maha civil war to me is just so silly because we all want the same things.

00:24:49.280 We want healthy kids.

00:24:50.660 We want chemicals out of our food.

00:24:52.040 We want people eating less ultra processed foods.

00:24:55.040 We all want the same things.

00:24:56.460 So stop tweeting.

00:24:58.020 Pick up the phone and call each other, you adults.

00:25:00.220 Hop on planes and go have meetings with each other.

00:25:03.080 Why have I been saying this now for over a year?

00:25:05.640 But yeah, no, Callie has been at the forefront and Casey as well of Maha.

00:25:09.200 I spoke to Callie about this when I interviewed him before we went on air.

00:25:12.200 I said, you and I go back to way before Maha days.

00:25:14.960 We were in group text and on emails during the campaign when he was advising our campaign.

00:25:19.240 Well before Make America Healthy Again was coined, trademarked, copyrighted, all of that.

00:25:24.460 So to say that they should not be a part of the administration as conduits for Maha, I think is just really silly.

00:25:30.260 And this isn't a knock to Nicole.

00:25:31.620 Nicole and I forged a friendship.

00:25:33.260 I like Nicole.

00:25:34.300 I am much closer to Bobby.

00:25:35.580 I spoke to him a few weeks ago about family and some other things.

00:25:38.300 I'm close with some of his kids.

00:25:39.680 Just got dinner with one of his kids a few weeks ago as well.

00:25:42.260 I love Bobby.

00:25:43.240 He changed my life working on that campaign.

00:25:45.540 I don't think people understand.

00:25:46.680 I was making videos about the campaign and their head of telefundraising called and said,

00:25:51.100 do you want to come out to the house on June 23rd in L.A. and meet Bobby?

00:25:54.200 I said, I'm going to be in L.A.

00:25:55.660 I wasn't.

00:25:56.280 I lied.

00:25:57.020 So no, they really changed my entire life.

00:25:59.900 And for that reason, I have nothing but kind words to say.

00:26:03.600 And there's no one else who could be in Bobby's position or Casey's and Callie's and take the hits

00:26:08.620 and keep going because they're so strong in their convictions.

00:26:11.340 You'd be hard pressed to find someone.

00:26:13.240 That's how Doug Brunt, my husband, met me, too.

00:26:17.160 We were set up on a blind date.

00:26:19.080 And when we had our first call about whether we'd go out or we'd meet for a drink,

00:26:22.720 he was living in New York and I was living in D.C.

00:26:24.600 And he said, oh, I'm going to be in D.C. next weekend or two weekends.

00:26:29.060 And of course, that was all a lie.

00:26:30.180 He just came down to see me.

00:26:31.280 And it worked out.

00:26:31.680 No, this is my advice to all young people.

00:26:34.280 This is what I tell young people all the time.

00:26:35.860 Show up.

00:26:36.580 I don't care if you have to fly in the back of economy, if you have to stay in a crappy hotel.

00:26:40.040 If there's a potential for a job or to level up in your career, show up.

00:26:44.900 I said, of course, I'm going to be in L.A. on that date.

00:26:47.280 They gave me an address.

00:26:48.260 I Ubered over to the house.

00:26:49.600 Security patted me down.

00:26:50.960 They introduced me to Bobby.

00:26:52.200 He gave me a cell number and said, my social media is effed.

00:26:55.360 We need help with our social media.

00:26:57.120 And I started texting him every couple of days with ideas.

00:27:00.540 I put together little strategy memos.

00:27:02.260 I would just email unsolicited.

00:27:04.200 And finally, his daughter-in-law called and said, well, I guess we should hire you

00:27:07.160 to work on the campaign and the rest is history.

00:27:09.840 So show up, people.

00:27:11.080 Show up, young people.

00:27:12.100 I couldn't agree more with that.

00:27:13.580 You either have that attitude or you don't.

00:27:15.100 Like, I've now been at this job.

00:27:17.120 I don't know.

00:27:17.540 I've been in the professional working arena for longer than I care to say.

00:27:20.580 Actually, if I start doing math, I can count on like two fingers, Link, the number of times

00:27:25.900 I have not gone to work.

00:27:27.780 Like, I literally have to be actively in the middle of vomiting to not show up.

00:27:32.640 It's just who I am.

00:27:33.460 Like, I will crawl over hot coals to get to do my job because I just feel like that's

00:27:38.940 the commitment that I've made.

00:27:40.940 And by the way, even that presidential debate where Donald Trump and I tussled, I'd been

00:27:46.020 violently vomiting all day long.

00:27:48.720 Like, I mean it.

00:27:49.960 Like, which is why, I mean, this is probably not great for me as a boss, but I don't have

00:27:55.380 such an employee right now, just for the record.

00:27:56.740 But like, if I had somebody who was like constantly calling out sick or like, oh, I can't be there

00:27:59.880 or don't know I can't make that, I'd get rid of them.

00:28:02.440 It's like, I'm sorry, but like either you have this crusher work ethic or you don't.

00:28:08.160 And I'm not in a job where that can even be abused.

00:28:11.200 Journalism, it's not like law where I'll take all 24 of your hours, all of them.

00:28:15.440 This is like, at worst, you're going to be giving like nine hours, like shut up and do

00:28:19.820 it.

00:28:20.140 Sorry.

00:28:20.640 That's how I feel.

00:28:22.620 Well, that's what happened with the White House too.

00:28:24.480 I said, you know, I don't have a press pass.

00:28:26.100 I don't know if I can get in.

00:28:27.500 And my friends at the White House, they said, just show up.

00:28:29.860 Showing up is half the job.

00:28:31.040 I showed up, had no idea what was going to happen that day.

00:28:34.040 I said, do you think there's a chance I could be included in this event?

00:28:37.480 Let me see.

00:28:38.260 Yeah, you can be included.

00:28:39.220 Then I got to talk to President Trump and ask him a question.

00:28:41.420 That's where the magic happens.

00:28:42.880 Show up and go on that blind faith and work your ass off.

00:28:46.040 All the young people listening and all the moms, tell your kids, OK, show up.

00:28:48.980 Yes.

00:28:49.300 Wait, so that's the one where he was like, I don't know who the hell is this guy, but I

00:28:52.000 love him.

00:28:52.700 Yes, exactly.

00:28:53.880 There was a really small group that was going to be covering that NASCAR event.

00:28:57.040 And I went in and I said, I have no idea what the difference is between this pool and this

00:29:01.580 press pool or the swimming pool.

00:29:03.200 But if you guys would include me, I would be honored to be included.

00:29:06.600 I'm so grateful.

00:29:07.640 It's an auspicious place.

00:29:08.840 I don't take it for granted being here.

00:29:10.840 The woman in the office said, let me go check.

00:29:12.960 She comes back and says, yeah, you can come and be included in that event.

00:29:15.920 So there are probably six or seven of us.

00:29:17.720 And President Trump came walking out and he kept looking at me.

00:29:20.940 I think President Trump thought I was going to be some super liberal he was going to spar with.

00:29:24.500 He was sort of looking at me going, oh, I'm going to eat this guy alive.

00:29:27.980 And then he ended up liking me and said, I love this guy.

00:29:30.400 Who the hell are you?

00:29:31.400 And so that is where the magic happens.

00:29:33.600 Show up, people, you know, even if you're not actually going to be their lie.

00:29:37.260 Before he knows your name very, very well.

00:29:39.580 So let's talk about you a little bit.

00:29:41.280 I think he does now.

00:29:42.200 I want to hear more about how Link Lauren came into this world and was raised and how you got

00:29:48.000 to be a conservative.

00:29:50.140 So talk to us about your background.

00:29:52.180 So it's interesting.

00:29:53.000 I think people have this narrative that I was somehow super liberal and then I switched

00:29:56.960 over the last few years and made a hard right turn.

00:29:59.520 That's really not the case.

00:30:00.820 You know, I grew up in Dallas, Texas.

00:30:02.080 I went to an all boys school where we wore uniforms.

00:30:04.380 It was a very conservative environment.

00:30:06.640 But growing up, I was always super involved in politics, right?

00:30:09.700 From the time I was 14, I would put together these town halls with kids from different schools

00:30:14.080 in our area.

00:30:14.920 And we would talk about hot button issues, gender, race, news items that were going on.

00:30:19.840 And I'd get a chaperone.

00:30:20.740 I'd get pizza, I'd collect money for the pizza, and kids would come once a month and

00:30:24.220 we would discuss these issues.

00:30:25.700 From there, I got invited to go to all these leadership conferences in high school.

00:30:29.260 I got to go to D.C. and speak on Capitol Hill to advocate for some of the issues in my

00:30:33.760 hometown, kids who weren't getting accommodations they were promised.

00:30:36.660 Because any parent out there who has a kid with special needs or learning disabilities,

00:30:40.480 the public schools might not have the resources.

00:30:42.420 The private schools, they aren't obligated to help you in any way.

00:30:44.900 So I was in D.C. advocating for that as a teenager.

00:30:47.940 And then I decided, for some dumb reason, to go to NYU.

00:30:52.320 So I wanted to move to New York because there weren't a lot of people like me.

00:30:56.920 I knew one other gay person.

00:30:58.700 I just wanted to go to New York.

00:30:59.720 And I loved New York and grew up watching any shows I could about New York.

00:31:03.820 So I went to NYU and it was a super liberal environment.

00:31:07.380 Like the teachers are wearing Birkenstocks with rainbow leggings.

00:31:10.440 Utter calamity disaster.

00:31:12.200 Just so people know, Barron Trump is going through this same experience right now.

00:31:15.720 Keep going.

00:31:16.300 Yes.

00:31:16.820 One of my biggest videos, part of the reason some of the Trump people started following

00:31:20.080 me, I did a video last year on Barron going to NYU and some advice I had for him.

00:31:24.040 And it went bonkers.

00:31:25.340 So I pray for Barron every single day at NYU.

00:31:27.880 But I think he's a pretty strong kid.

00:31:29.960 So NYU, I worked all through there.

00:31:32.160 I was an assistant to someone in the music industry.

00:31:34.920 And he would have Bon Jovi come over for dinner.

00:31:36.960 I remember Valerie from Ashford and Simpson came over and would play piano and sing.

00:31:41.920 And so I was always working as an assistant, fetching coffee, making copies, then going

00:31:46.220 to class during the day.

00:31:48.040 And then COVID hit and my degree was useless.

00:31:51.080 I studied music business, entertainment.

00:31:52.900 I studied a little bit of entertainment law.

00:31:55.020 And there was no entertainment industry really during COVID.

00:31:58.940 The music industry was dead.

00:32:00.620 And a lot of my friends had sort of moved home.

00:32:02.540 They had fallen into bad habits.

00:32:04.560 And there was this app called TikTok.

00:32:07.340 So I was not going to do those silly dances on TikTok.

00:32:10.100 That would be social suicide.

00:32:11.540 I decided to start posting about politics and news.

00:32:14.780 And I did that.

00:32:15.560 And then in May of 2023 is when my video started to take off.

00:32:19.280 And June of 2023, the Kennedy campaign said, we see these videos you're doing on the campaign.

00:32:24.400 How can we get a list of the people who are commenting?

00:32:26.920 I said, there's no way to export a list of these people who are commenting.

00:32:30.200 Because young people were saying, who the heck is this RFK guy?

00:32:33.120 Is he JFK Jr.?

00:32:34.360 Who is this?

00:32:34.900 They didn't really know.

00:32:36.040 And the campaign said, we want to capitalize on that.

00:32:38.040 And I said, well, why don't I film something with Bobby and do a whole thing on him?

00:32:41.660 And that, you know, the rest is sort of history.

00:32:44.400 Wow.

00:32:44.860 So you lean more right because you grew up in Texas.

00:32:48.260 And are your parents conservative?

00:32:49.380 How did your politics get formed?

00:32:50.760 So my mom is, my mom says she's an independent, which is code for she loves Trump.

00:32:57.300 But oh yeah, my dad is a conservative.

00:32:59.740 My brother drives a big pickup truck and handles heavy machinery.

00:33:02.740 And he's always now, now that I travel and I go to these events with hot conservative women,

00:33:06.940 my brother's always like, got any babes?

00:33:08.940 You set me up, hook your brother up, you know, tell him your brother with the truck once a day.

00:33:12.760 So yeah, I did go probably a little more left when I went to NYU because it's all being

00:33:17.160 shoved down your throat.

00:33:18.700 So, and there wasn't a ton of alternative media.

00:33:20.960 The podcast space wasn't really popping off at that time.

00:33:24.120 Megan, you didn't even have your podcast yet.

00:33:26.040 You weren't in the independent space.

00:33:27.560 Tucker wasn't in the independent space.

00:33:29.260 And so I was basically consuming mainstream news and mainstream news.

00:33:32.400 And my classmates at NYU said, Trump is the boogeyman.

00:33:35.360 Trump's going to destroy democracy.

00:33:37.080 Hillary was robbed.

00:33:38.140 You know, they're still crying over that night at the Javits Center.

00:33:40.900 And I just started looking around going, I don't know, this really isn't me.

00:33:45.060 And then when my TikTok took off, I paid for myself.

00:33:47.800 I flew to Iowa.

00:33:48.900 I got on a bus and I went to all of these primary events.

00:33:51.760 And that's how I connected with the Ramaswamy campaign.

00:33:54.160 I would show up at events.

00:33:55.080 And I remember asking, you know, if Nikki Haley had 60 seconds to film a video with me,

00:33:58.860 she said, no, I would never film a TikTok.

00:34:00.660 I remember waiting out in the hot sun at the Reagan Library for hours to film something

00:34:04.520 with Pence because I was trying to get all the primary candidates.

00:34:06.980 Pence did not want to film with me, even though I submitted submitted questions ahead of time

00:34:10.340 when they were softballs.

00:34:11.700 And so I would just show up at events on my own dime, hoping to film a TikTok video.

00:34:17.260 And at the time, Trump wasn't on TikTok.

00:34:19.380 They were like, this is the CCP.

00:34:20.980 We're not going to film with you.

00:34:22.080 And I would kind of just be shut out of events.

00:34:24.580 And so when people say now I'm gushing over Caroline Levitt at the White House, I'm not

00:34:28.540 gushing over anyone.

00:34:29.700 I'm just so grateful that new media is included at the White House because you guys don't know

00:34:34.140 what it was like for me traveling through Iowa and New Hampshire and being shut out by

00:34:38.400 comms directors and press secretaries who wouldn't let me film 60 seconds.

00:34:42.140 I was doing millions of views a week on TikTok.

00:34:44.500 Maybe you guys should have tried to reach my young people, Nikki Haley and Mike Pence.

00:34:48.220 And so I just that's why I'm so grateful for new media at the White House.

00:34:52.480 You know, I'm not sycophantic.

00:34:54.000 I really am not grateful to be there.

00:34:55.440 I'm happy to be there.

00:34:56.420 No, it's so stupid and short sighted not to take advantage of this person who has a big

00:35:00.460 presence on a very relevant, yes, controversial, but very relevant app where millions of young

00:35:07.480 Americans go religiously every day, multiple times a day.

00:35:12.640 I mean, multiple times a day.

00:35:13.880 So it's so short, so short sighted of them.

00:35:16.840 The in the month of May, when I really popped off was May of 2023.

00:35:20.200 I did 32 million views on TikTok alone.

00:35:22.640 That's over a million views a day.

00:35:24.160 My videos were going crazy because I was the only one with really my perspective.

00:35:27.920 Nobody who looked like me had my perspective.

00:35:30.340 I was talking about men and women's sports, the immigration crisis, East Palestine, Ohio,

00:35:35.140 all of these things, the train derailment.

00:35:36.860 Nobody who looked like me was giving this perspective on TikTok.

00:35:39.500 So my page was going crazy.

00:35:41.160 And I couldn't understand why folks like Pence and Haley and other primary candidates I won't

00:35:45.960 name wouldn't even give me 30 seconds.

00:35:48.120 And I film with my phone.

00:35:49.180 I pull out and ask them a fun, silly question.

00:35:51.720 For me, it's just getting them in front of my audience.

00:35:53.960 A lot of my audience didn't know who Nikki Haley was.

00:35:56.080 So I couldn't understand them shutting me out.

00:35:58.740 When I'm doing more views a day, huge views in the target demo that all these shows want.

00:36:03.720 I am doing about a million views a day in the target demo.

00:36:06.920 And you guys don't have 30 seconds for me.

00:36:09.220 And, um, you know, I wish them well now.

00:36:12.140 I think I'm doing okay.

00:36:14.320 You know, this is how I feel about TMZ.

00:36:16.280 TMZ will catch up with me at random wherever, you know, sometimes where I am.

00:36:19.660 And I always talk to those guys.

00:36:21.280 These are not bad guys.

00:36:22.780 You know, like they're there.

00:36:23.820 The shooter's going to get a couple dollars if you give them like some tape, answer a couple

00:36:27.520 of questions.

00:36:28.000 And like, if I were a politician and I saw some young guy just wanting to ask me who

00:36:32.960 doesn't have a snarky way in, you know, he's not being an asshole.

00:36:36.200 Of course, why?

00:36:37.320 That's the name of the game.

00:36:39.220 That's why Trump will talk to anybody because he gets that.

00:36:42.300 Absolutely.

00:36:42.760 I mean, I would be in a suit and tie looking preppy.

00:36:45.660 I was not there to cause any drama.

00:36:48.540 I would get the emails of the press secretaries ahead of time and I would send my stats and

00:36:52.640 I would, some of them would even say, oh, we'll meet you here.

00:36:54.840 And then they take one look at you and then they say, oh, we're good.

00:36:58.020 We're good.

00:36:58.340 We're busy.

00:36:58.840 And it was like, oh, does Mike Pence not want to be standing next to me on camera because

00:37:02.580 I'm gay because the way I look, I have no clue.

00:37:05.140 But I just remember being shut out of things.

00:37:07.420 And it's funny now.

00:37:08.500 That's why I'm so grateful and why I'm such a champion of new media, because it was 18

00:37:12.200 months before Trump joined TikTok.

00:37:14.080 It was pretty cold desert out here.

00:37:16.580 How was it?

00:37:17.820 I mean, I've talked to a lot of gay conservatives.

00:37:19.580 I feel like every gay conservative man is a friend of mine.

00:37:22.940 I just feel like I know so many of them.

00:37:25.400 We understand you.

00:37:26.940 Well, I do.

00:37:27.760 Well, as the guy who helps me with my costumes, because everybody knows I love my costume

00:37:31.520 parties, as he said to Abby, behind every great woman is a strong gay man.

00:37:38.580 I love that.

00:37:39.600 And I think it's true.

00:37:41.400 But anyway, was it weird?

00:37:42.660 Was it can you speak to what it was like?

00:37:44.200 How old are you?

00:37:44.760 You're young.

00:37:45.820 I'm 27 now.

00:37:47.000 All right.

00:37:47.780 So how was it growing up in that time frame as a gay man who leans conservative in Texas?

00:37:54.640 Well, it wasn't even so much conservative.

00:37:56.360 I mean, I was bullied relentlessly.

00:37:58.440 When I say I was a loser growing up, I was never invited to a party.

00:38:02.280 I would be at home on the weekends with my mom.

00:38:04.780 I live with my mom.

00:38:06.060 And so now it's such an effervescent personality.

00:38:09.760 I know.

00:38:10.480 Well, it's funny now.

00:38:11.180 I think people get me.

00:38:12.060 But I think when kids are growing up, if you're a little different, they just don't

00:38:15.280 know how to take you, right?

00:38:16.560 They can't go throw the ball with you.

00:38:17.940 They don't know how to take you.

00:38:19.480 And so I was just bullied constantly.

00:38:21.540 I got the shit beat out of me.

00:38:22.700 I had to have my front teeth redone.

00:38:24.240 I had to get stitches.

00:38:25.520 My car got vandalized.

00:38:26.620 I was just bullied relentlessly.

00:38:28.960 And I don't say woe is me.

00:38:29.960 I'm not looking for sympathy.

00:38:31.040 I'm tough as nails.

00:38:32.200 But it's just interesting now, the past two years, to be in such a great place.

00:38:36.280 People say all the time, you're too happy.

00:38:38.500 I was told by someone in conservative media, you're too cutesy and happy all the time.

00:38:42.260 It's annoying.

00:38:42.680 I am so happy to be here and to be working and that anyone likes what I do and to have

00:38:48.840 a voice in the discourse at all.

00:38:50.960 And so I'm never going to apologize for being eager and happy and excited because it's been

00:38:54.900 a literal long, hellish journey to get to the past two years.

00:38:59.660 You know what I'm saying?

00:39:00.980 Did you have like a natural, sunny disposition before the bullying?

00:39:05.760 Oh, I was always happy.

00:39:08.220 I mean, I used to spike my hair and I was into theater and music and all of that.

00:39:12.260 Pictures didn't happen.

00:39:13.560 We'll lay them in after.

00:39:14.860 Oh, I have tons of pictures.

00:39:16.320 But yeah, no, I always say I'm a recovering theater kid.

00:39:18.700 But yeah, no, I was always happy and fun.

00:39:20.020 And what's so crazy is like, even though the kids would treat me like shit, I'd get like

00:39:23.140 beat up on a Monday.

00:39:24.040 I would come back to school on Tuesday and be like, can we help plan the spring fling dance?

00:39:28.080 Can we do this?

00:39:28.920 I was involved in community service.

00:39:30.420 So I always tell kids, literally get back up and keep going.

00:39:35.020 You cannot stop.

00:39:36.200 Right.

00:39:36.340 And so it's why now I think a lot of these liberal journalists who are just there's been

00:39:41.040 a barrage of horrible hit pieces on me the last week and even one yesterday in The Spectator,

00:39:46.940 they were kind of coming for me.

00:39:48.320 I think these journalists underestimate how comfortable I am in my own skin.

00:39:51.800 I am very secure and very confident in exactly who I am.

00:39:55.960 Nothing a liberal journalist can say is ever going to knock me off my game whatsoever.

00:40:01.960 Honestly, and they have absolutely no power over you.

00:40:04.400 So you can relate to what I was saying at the top of the show that I witnessed in these

00:40:08.080 young girls coming out to the microphone, you know, talented to the ears or working on

00:40:14.000 it.

00:40:14.540 It takes a lot of guts to do that, to stand in front of a microphone or on a stage in front

00:40:19.920 of your peers and just let it go.

00:40:23.160 Like, let's see if they love me or hate me.

00:40:26.480 Absolutely.

00:40:26.960 I mean, I've gotten I got up to sing in front of the school a million times.

00:40:29.860 I was in every show.

00:40:30.840 I was the star of the choir.

00:40:32.360 I was telling your producer in March of 22, I auditioned for this show at Carnegie Hall

00:40:36.760 with Vanessa Williams.

00:40:37.560 It was going to be sort of a Stephen Sondheim retrospective and tribute.

00:40:41.380 And I ended up getting cast in the show.

00:40:43.080 So I got to work with her.

00:40:44.300 The show was sold out at Carnegie Hall.

00:40:45.880 I was about to vomit before going out on stage, but I'm so glad I did it.

00:40:49.820 So I can send in pictures of that as well.

00:40:51.560 But yeah, no, it takes guts to get out there.

00:40:53.700 Do we have a clip of you singing in said show?

00:40:55.160 I want that, too.

00:40:56.500 Yeah, I will find I will find I'll go through my phone and I'll find all this and send it.

00:40:59.480 But yeah, no, I think that's why now I'm not that nervous, especially the past few years

00:41:02.900 getting to go on cable and go on shows.

00:41:04.700 It's like, hello.

00:41:05.700 I was in front of thousands of people about to vomit.

00:41:08.500 This is fun.

00:41:09.420 I can do this.

00:41:10.180 But it does take guts.

00:41:11.520 And I think it takes guts for young people to be authentic and stand in their truth, which

00:41:15.480 sounds so Meghan Markle.

00:41:16.540 I'm sounding so liberal and Meghan Markle right now.

00:41:18.560 But it's just the truth, you know, and if you don't feel comfortable now, I always say

00:41:22.580 the way you feel today, if you're watching this in your hometown, if you're feeling left

00:41:26.020 out, if you don't fit in, it's hard to see the forest for the trees when you're like

00:41:29.200 a teenager.

00:41:30.080 The way you feel today is not how you're going to feel forever.

00:41:32.660 OK, your life is going to get exponentially better.

00:41:35.000 Yeah, I mean, you forget that this is one of the things I love about you, Link, is that

00:41:39.600 I feel like you take the important messaging that we have so much in common on and you bring

00:41:44.700 it to a whole new generation.

00:41:45.980 You resonate.

00:41:46.500 I mean, I knew I knew of you and you'd been on the show and you were a star and I was a

00:41:51.520 big fan.

00:41:52.440 But thank you.

00:41:53.480 A friend's teenager, one of my dear friends, I was talking to her teenager and he was like,

00:41:58.220 you know who your favorite guest is of mine, Link Lauren.

00:42:01.700 And he listed all the many reasons why he loves you.

00:42:03.820 And it really was at that point that I was like, I actually need to seriously consider

00:42:07.920 Link because for this new thing that we were launching, because I really think you're the

00:42:12.320 voice of like the next generation.

00:42:13.960 You're going to be able to speak to these young people in a way that, you know, yours truly

00:42:17.920 might not be able to talk or might not be able to like you've got something and you've

00:42:22.120 kind of been through things that they've been through more recently.

00:42:25.260 They need somebody like you.

00:42:27.580 Thank you.

00:42:28.100 Well, thank you for saying that.

00:42:29.180 And I have a ton of dudes who follow me.

00:42:31.180 Straight guys are always like, you're the only gay guy I like.

00:42:33.820 Well, thank you.

00:42:35.020 So, I mean, my audience really runs the gamut.

00:42:37.680 And I always say the only thing I'm beholden to is common sense.

00:42:41.660 I've never taken a dollar from the RNC or Trump, no matter what these journalists say,

00:42:45.860 have never taken a dollar from the DNC, not that they offered.

00:42:48.620 I'm just beholden to common sense.

00:42:50.360 And it just so happens right now, Trump and his administration are on the 80% of all of

00:42:54.960 these 80-20 issues.

00:42:56.300 And President Trump is our strongest defense and bulwark against the woke insanity on the

00:43:01.520 left.

00:43:01.780 So I am going to come out and speak up.

00:43:03.740 I don't want another Lake and Riley, Jocelyn Nangari situation.

00:43:06.560 I don't want MS-13 and gang members running amok on the street like Abrego Garcia, right?

00:43:11.620 I don't want men and women's sports.

00:43:13.160 If that makes me some right wing such and such, I don't give a rat's ass because I'm going

00:43:17.100 to speak up for common sense.

00:43:18.380 And there's a reason an overwhelming majority of the country agrees with me on these issues.

00:43:23.720 You and Callie Means discussed President Trump, who you both, well, he knows him a bit and

00:43:29.600 you've been following him for quite some time and had a funny moment.

00:43:32.800 I want to play that thought.

00:43:33.700 It's number four.

00:43:37.240 President Trump looks great.

00:43:38.760 I mean, he looks younger than ever.

00:43:39.900 President Trump looks amazing.

00:43:41.280 President Trump is aging in reverse.

00:43:42.900 He's losing weight.

00:43:44.440 Bobby put him on a carnivore diet.

00:43:46.000 He's not on a symptom.

00:43:46.960 President Trump is not on a symptom.

00:43:48.220 Well, his medical report came out.

00:43:49.880 It is not.

00:43:50.320 Zipic was not listed.

00:43:51.620 I'm actually not.

00:43:52.720 We're in the White House.

00:43:53.700 And I'm just, I'm saying this for real.

00:43:56.320 His biomarkers, his cholesterol and blood sugar and all those levels is top 5% for American

00:44:02.780 in the age.

00:44:02.980 He's lost weight.

00:44:04.920 So it's common sense solutions.

00:44:06.720 President Trump's cut out some carbs.

00:44:08.180 He's eating more whole food.

00:44:09.640 I mean, there's a real revolution happening in this country.

00:44:13.140 That's A, charming, B, big news, and C, going to come as a crushing blow to the left.

00:44:19.040 Oh, Trump looks so good.

00:44:21.980 Trump, I really think, is like Benjamin Button.

00:44:23.840 He is aging in reverse.

00:44:25.400 I also have this theory that these woke liberals, they look so gaunt and gray and emaciated and

00:44:30.980 anemic.

00:44:31.380 These liberals who have Trump deranged.

00:44:32.660 Like Vera Wang?

00:44:34.060 Yes, like Vera Wang.

00:44:35.160 They do not look healthy.

00:44:36.240 And I know I'm the last person to talk about being pale because I'm white as Casper.

00:44:40.280 But I will say these liberals literally are just, their cheeks are hollowing out.

00:44:44.560 Well, that might be the, you know, buckle fat removal.

00:44:47.020 But no, these liberal TDS celebrities, they don't look good.

00:44:50.860 They look gray.

00:44:51.800 President Trump, he looks friendly and vibrant and avuncular, to use an SAT word.

00:44:56.820 Everybody in the Trump administration is glowing and healthy.

00:45:00.240 And on the left, it's not great.

00:45:01.960 They need ma-ha.

00:45:02.440 President Trump has definitely lost some weight.

00:45:04.420 He's slimming down.

00:45:05.880 And I'm glad to hear that Bobby Kennedy stepped in with a carnivore diet.

00:45:08.840 That's something President Trump could get behind.

00:45:10.440 I don't see him going vegan.

00:45:11.500 But I can see him going, like, maybe we can have him switching to, like, the Big Mac without the buns.

00:45:16.700 Like, that could be real progress, I think.

00:45:19.000 Oh, that's a tough one.

00:45:19.780 Not sure that would be Bobby approved.

00:45:21.480 But that was great.

00:45:22.240 And then you asked Callie about something very much in the news because of the controversy around his sister Casey, not knowing that this was about to hit.

00:45:29.240 But you got into the pushing of trans on our children.

00:45:34.720 And Callie and Casey are very close.

00:45:36.780 I told the audience this yesterday.

00:45:38.440 I've spoken to Casey directly.

00:45:39.920 Casey is where I am on the children and the trans thing.

00:45:44.120 She will not push puberty blockers.

00:45:45.940 She doesn't believe in them for children.

00:45:48.240 She doesn't believe in cross-sex hormones.

00:45:49.760 She doesn't believe in surgical procedures in the trans lane for minors because she's a normal person.

00:45:57.080 Okay?

00:45:57.520 And neither does Callie.

00:45:58.860 You and he discussed it a bit in Sop 3.

00:46:02.200 Kids transitioning.

00:46:03.500 And I've talked about that a lot because people say, you're gay.

00:46:06.120 You should support kids transitioning.

00:46:07.620 I'm gay, not brain dead.

00:46:09.120 I have common sense.

00:46:10.180 Is there a medical lobby pushing kids to transition and take these drugs and these gender hormones?

00:46:16.460 Unrelenting.

00:46:17.100 Okay.

00:46:17.480 Unrelenting.

00:46:18.160 So I think you have to understand that the blob of special interest looks for issues where you can call someone racist, homophobic, transphobe, sexist, what have you.

00:46:33.160 They love those issues.

00:46:34.660 And this child trans issue was a beautiful one.

00:46:40.400 These institutions just lose their way.

00:46:42.640 And at the core of this berating of the American people to support gender transition or else was a lot of corporate money because there are billions and billions of dollars.

00:46:55.420 President Trump has just been, stop it.

00:46:57.100 We're going to have common sense.

00:46:59.460 And he's called it demonic in the past, too.

00:47:01.840 So this is all, by the way, so that for the listening audience going to premiere on Link's premiere episode as part of the MK Media Network.

00:47:08.880 Go subscribe now wherever you get your podcast for free.

00:47:11.600 It's called Spot On with Link Lauren or you can go spot on with link.com, which will take you to all of Link's socials and the YouTube and all that.

00:47:19.280 But what did you make of Callie and even the notion that, frankly, either Callie or Casey is pro the transing of children?

00:47:28.040 So first off, I'm incredibly grateful to the White House and their entire team for setting this up.

00:47:33.220 I do not take it for granted being there.

00:47:35.300 And I thank you guys for helping me get the videographer because, like I said, I barely know anyone in this business.

00:47:39.700 So I was grateful to be there.

00:47:41.440 I didn't know I was interviewing Callie until he showed up and was coming down the hall.

00:47:45.220 And he said, hey, I got 10 minutes.

00:47:46.720 Let's do an interview.

00:47:47.520 And I said, great, because I'm in the sea of all these new people in a high-stakes environment.

00:47:52.060 I haven't slept.

00:47:53.040 I'm nervous.

00:47:53.600 So seeing a familiar face and someone you're friends with coming down the hall made me so happy.

00:47:57.560 I love Callie.

00:47:58.740 I know I could pick up the phone and call him and say, I need your advice on this and that health issue.

00:48:02.620 And he would be there.

00:48:03.660 I know the character of these people.

00:48:05.820 And I can tell you with unequivocal certainty, they do not support the transing of kids whatsoever.

00:48:11.500 They are with me on that.

00:48:12.580 They're with you on that.

00:48:13.560 They're on the 80% of this 80-20 issue and common sense.

00:48:16.920 They do not support pumping kids full of hormones.

00:48:19.600 And we see that in the clip.

00:48:21.540 Here is the other thing.

00:48:22.920 We talked about your—we began the hour with my daughter on this stage and our little schoolmates on stage.

00:48:28.680 We talked a bit about your acting background.

00:48:31.020 We didn't talk about your latest starring role.

00:48:33.480 Here's a bit for people who missed Link, which I know none of you did, in the Blonde Origin world premiere, which happened one week ago today.

00:48:43.040 Here he is.

00:48:43.600 Watch.

00:48:43.800 I just spoke to a source in Connecticut that said Meghan's husband, Douglas Brunt, just took out a massive life insurance policy on her this morning.

00:48:51.740 But I'm sure that is not suspicious whatsoever.

00:48:54.400 These two women are proving once and for all there's nothing a woman can't do that a man can as long as it's for a few minutes and they don't have to operate any heavy machinery.

00:49:02.600 What has this meant to you as someone who's covered space launches for, I don't know, 20 minutes?

00:49:08.160 I am just overcome with emotion.

00:49:10.820 I am incredibly proud of these three women for everything they went to in the lead up to the launch for surviving zero gravity and making it back down to Earth safe and sound.

00:49:19.640 Link, you nailed it.

00:49:27.000 You made that so much funnier.

00:49:29.300 And then we talked about it last Friday.

00:49:31.120 If you haven't seen Blonde Origin, everybody, go to YouTube.com slash Megyn Kelly and it's still there.

00:49:35.000 What was it like for you starring in your latest film?

00:49:36.820 Oh, I was sick as a dog.

00:49:40.460 I looked terrible and we had nothing on the screen.

00:49:44.160 So Mark and I were just kind of going for it.

00:49:46.360 I think your team, they were like, oh, Link's not in the zone today.

00:49:49.080 But I think we got some good lines.

00:49:50.720 I had some other jokes that were probably a little more off color that my boyfriend said, you can't do that.

00:49:55.300 You can't say that.

00:49:56.200 I said, I think Meghan would like it, but, you know, I'll play it safe till the show launches.

00:50:00.260 But, yeah, I'm grateful to be included.

00:50:01.960 And I grew up watching the circus religious, like 10 years ago, I would watch the circus and want to be a part of politics.

00:50:07.920 So to be friends with Mark, yeah, with Mark Halpern.

00:50:10.240 So to be friends with him and work with him was amazing.

00:50:13.260 You two were a great combo.

00:50:15.140 And I can promise the audience you are not done with this amazing acting team.

00:50:19.320 Yes, we're all world class actors now.

00:50:21.880 From Maureen and Sarah to Link and Mark, I think we are all on board for a part two.

00:50:27.500 The only question is who will we be targeting next?

00:50:30.300 We're taking your submissions.

00:50:31.180 You can email me, Megan, at MeganKelley.com.

00:50:34.940 We'll be right back.

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00:52:45.160 Okay.

00:52:46.120 Let's talk about the Pope for a minute,

00:52:47.940 because we've learned a lot about our newly elected Pope since this time yesterday when the

00:52:52.580 news broke.

00:52:53.760 He was Cardinal Robert Francis Prevost, and now he's Pope Leo XIV.

00:52:58.840 And he's from Chicago.

00:53:01.180 He's born in Chicago.

00:53:02.540 As I was calling him yesterday online, the Pope, which is kind of fun, from Chicago, like

00:53:10.000 the bears.

00:53:10.520 And then he went, he was sent by Pope Francis over to Peru.

00:53:17.300 I think it was Pope Francis, but the Pope at the time sent him over to Peru, where he spent a long

00:53:20.960 time, and he actually became a dual citizen of America and Peru.

00:53:24.020 And then he wasn't made a Cardinal until 2023, but he's since then been the guy in charge of

00:53:30.980 finding new bishops and elevating priests up to the bishop position.

00:53:35.900 So obviously he had some friends inside the conclave, and it worked for him yesterday.

00:53:42.580 Now, we had somebody from the Catholic channel join us, and he was saying no one, really almost no one,

00:53:48.360 was predicting that this would be the guy.

00:53:50.960 And that really is true.

00:53:52.060 If you look back at the articles leading up to this, he was not mentioned by virtually anybody

00:53:56.260 except these two people.

00:54:00.660 The first one that I want to show you is the man who conducted the christening of all three of my

00:54:09.420 children, Father Jonathan Morris, who later left the priesthood.

00:54:15.120 And now instead of calling him FJ, we have to call him FFJ, as in former Father Jonathan.

00:54:20.420 But he says, my kids' christenings are still legit.

00:54:23.500 They still count.

00:54:24.640 But here he was three days before the conclave in Rome.

00:54:30.060 We're talking about Popobili, the next, the candidates to be the next pope.

00:54:35.780 And today I would like to talk to you about two American names who are actually in the mix,

00:54:41.420 which has not really been the case in recent conclaves.

00:54:45.260 The first one, you might not know him.

00:54:47.720 His name is Robert Prevost, P-R-E-V-O-S-T.

00:54:52.640 He's an Augustinian priest, so he's part of a religious order, who was called by Pope Francis

00:54:59.160 to Rome in just 2023 to be a head of a very powerful department of the Vatican

00:55:05.420 in charge of naming bishops or proposing to the pope names of bishops throughout the world.

00:55:13.220 But he's really an enigma to many, not only cardinals, but American cardinals.

00:55:18.940 That's because although he's from Chicago, 69 years old,

00:55:22.440 he spent most of his life outside of the United States as a missionary and then as a missionary bishop in Peru.

00:55:31.260 Certainly he's in line with Pope Francis, or at least Pope Francis was convinced of that

00:55:36.100 because he called to him to take over a very important department.

00:55:41.260 But he's also known as a pragmatist.

00:55:42.980 Okay, one more, credit where it's due.

00:55:47.140 Piers Morgan had Steve Bannon.

00:55:50.740 Steve Bannon, he's predicted so much accurately on his show a week ago.

00:55:56.460 And here's Steve Bannon.

00:55:58.220 I do think one of the dark horses, and I think unfortunately he's one of the most progressive,

00:56:02.640 is Cardinal Prevost.

00:56:03.900 I don't think he's getting enough play.

00:56:05.220 He's certainly on the short list.

00:56:06.960 His Prevost is one of the ones closest to Francis ideologically.

00:56:10.980 He's also had tremendous experience in Latin America.

00:56:13.780 And so he's one of the ones on the short list.

00:56:17.160 Steve Bannon is the bomb.

00:56:18.580 I mean, it's one thing for FFJ to know it because that's his business.

00:56:21.280 You know, he still knows the church so well.

00:56:22.940 But Steve Bannon, he's got his finger on the pulse.

00:56:25.540 Anyway, what do you make of it?

00:56:26.620 Because there's been a bunch of reporting about that this pope was,

00:56:30.540 he voted in Republican primaries in Illinois,

00:56:32.740 and he is anti-transing of children and trans ideology.

00:56:37.380 That seems clear from some of his tweets and remarks.

00:56:41.400 He's, of course, against abortion.

00:56:43.740 He doesn't believe in gay marriage.

00:56:44.820 These are not surprising things for the Catholic Church.

00:56:47.360 But, and he's pro-migrant, doesn't surprise me either.

00:56:50.480 But he has had five tweets or retweets in the past couple of years,

00:56:54.800 critical of either J.D. Vance, Trump, or Trump's immigration policies in particular.

00:57:00.020 So what do you make of it?

00:57:00.920 Well, I think he's allowed to retweet or tweet whatever he wants.

00:57:06.620 You know, he's the pope.

00:57:07.720 He's going to be living over there.

00:57:09.100 He's not involved in our politics.

00:57:10.680 I can't wait to see a meeting with President Trump, J.D. Vance,

00:57:14.060 and the new pope, Prevost.

00:57:15.660 I'm sorry if I'm not pronouncing it correctly.

00:57:17.820 Just call him Leo.

00:57:19.880 Yeah, Leo.

00:57:20.540 Well, I love Leo.

00:57:21.340 I think it's a fun name.

00:57:22.080 And I loved FFJ.

00:57:23.500 I thought he looked great, too.

00:57:24.640 The green jacket, the full head of hair.

00:57:26.240 It's like a Rogan ad.

00:57:26.820 He does look good.

00:57:27.800 He looked great.

00:57:28.960 And he knew to do the angle up.

00:57:30.280 You always got to angle up, never down.

00:57:31.780 He looked great.

00:57:32.520 So, yeah, no, I'm happy for new pope Leo.

00:57:35.000 But like I said, I don't think we should really be bothered by some tweets he did.

00:57:38.140 I think, though, it does speak to someone's whole entire ethos, though,

00:57:41.100 if they are pro mass migration or if they're more staunch and tough on immigration.

00:57:45.760 I think it does speak to a little bit of someone's character.

00:57:48.400 But at the end of the day, the guy's from Chicago, a very blue city.

00:57:51.900 So even if he's a Chicago Republican, he might not be where we are right now with the Trump

00:57:56.460 administration.

00:57:57.800 I think there's not going to be a pope who's not pro mass migration.

00:58:02.500 Right.

00:58:02.800 That's right.

00:58:03.480 It's Catholicism.

00:58:04.620 I mean, that's that's Catholicism.

00:58:06.780 They're very pro migrant.

00:58:08.560 You know, watch the poor, the feet of the poor and the hungry and those who need us.

00:58:12.920 And, you know, we're a bunch of bleeding hearts at at, you know, bottom, unless if you're

00:58:17.740 trans or gay, in which case, no, sorry, Link.

00:58:21.180 No, they love.

00:58:22.380 Well, I was just they love gays and lesbians.

00:58:23.840 They just don't want him to get married.

00:58:25.560 Well, I was just speaking to the things I was seeing on X.

00:58:27.900 I'm not saying that's how I personally feel.

00:58:29.280 I'm just saying on X, the criticism seemed to be the retweets about immigration and Trump

00:58:33.460 and J.D. Vance.

00:58:34.260 But like I said, he's welcome to say whatever he wants.

00:58:36.540 He's the pope.

00:58:37.220 Right.

00:58:37.500 We're over here in the U.S. doing our own thing.

00:58:39.320 I don't understand why people are so upset about his retweets, if that makes sense.

00:58:43.220 Yes.

00:58:43.460 Well, I think I can speak to this because as a Catholic in America, Pope Francis, God

00:58:49.060 rest him, was very progressive and like kind of turned the church in a progressive direction

00:58:55.060 and did some battle with America and our president for a while.

00:59:00.240 And when it was Donald Trump, not not when it really when it was Joe Biden.

00:59:04.740 And we didn't much like that.

00:59:06.640 So it's great to see an American pope.

00:59:08.780 And I actually am open minded to this pope, notwithstanding those tweets.

00:59:11.500 I really think even a conservative leaning pope could have sent out those tweets because

00:59:15.100 I'm sorry, the Catholic Church is very pro immigration.

00:59:19.000 It's not my favorite thing, but it's the truth.

00:59:21.520 So I don't think we know enough about him yet to know what kind of pope he will be.

00:59:25.900 Now, here's something fun, though.

00:59:28.020 He's from Chicago.

00:59:29.240 Chicago, white, white socks, not Cubs, from what I read.

00:59:33.540 And his brother, John, he's got like a normal brother.

00:59:37.920 John, provost, prevost, living in Chicago still, who gave a presser yesterday to everybody who

00:59:45.340 is knocking down his door and listen to him talking about his brother, Bob.

00:59:51.400 And you said you spoke to him right before conclave.

00:59:54.120 Tell me what that conversation was like.

00:59:56.440 Really?

00:59:56.960 First, we do wordle because this is a regular thing.

01:00:01.420 OK, then we we do words with friends.

01:00:05.180 It's something to keep his mind off life in the real world.

01:00:09.720 And then we talk about what's going on.

01:00:11.180 And I said, well, do you have your red socks?

01:00:12.960 That doesn't go over well all the time.

01:00:16.180 And then just that kind of stuff.

01:00:17.840 And I said, well, are you ready for this?

01:00:19.840 I said, did you watch the movie Conclave so you know how to behave?

01:00:23.640 And he had just finished watching the movie Conclave.

01:00:26.300 So he knew how to behave.

01:00:29.420 So it's that kind of stuff.

01:00:31.740 Amazing.

01:00:32.760 He just finished watching the movie.

01:00:34.440 I'm pretty sure this pope is not intersex.

01:00:36.640 So we've done better than that ridiculous movie.

01:00:39.920 But isn't that cool?

01:00:40.480 It's like you never think of the pope.

01:00:42.240 You know, it's just being like a regular guy.

01:00:44.020 He he grew up Bob.

01:00:45.860 And that's his brother, John.

01:00:47.760 And friends, family, playing Wordle.

01:00:50.040 I love it.

01:00:50.800 And I love that the brothers out there doing interviews and pressers on the front lawn.

01:00:54.420 It's very like Thomas Markle, Samantha Markle.

01:00:57.180 It's like, we're going to go to press and interviews to look.

01:00:59.460 Our man made it.

01:01:00.380 You guys are guy made it.

01:01:01.960 We're going to go to I'd be making the rounds if I were him.

01:01:04.840 OK, so I don't blame him at all for being on the front lawn.

01:01:07.520 Think of the money he could make, which is like baby pictures of the pope.

01:01:10.740 You know, or like those silly toddler videos that we all shoot now of our kids.

01:01:14.360 I wonder if he's got some of Bob now.

01:01:16.980 I don't know.

01:01:18.820 Maybe it's the fact that he's an American, you know, so all of these references are going

01:01:21.900 to be familiar to us.

01:01:23.200 He's going to have some of the same habits as we do.

01:01:26.660 I don't know.

01:01:27.260 It's just kind of cool to think about because he's you know, we believe he gets elevated

01:01:30.700 by the Holy Spirit.

01:01:31.520 And so Bob, the Wordle lover who watches the same TV shows we do is now Pope and leader

01:01:38.720 of 1.4 billion Catholics across the globe.

01:01:43.200 Very cool stuff.

01:01:43.860 If Wordle were smart, the word of the day would be like conclave or pope or something.

01:01:48.260 If Wordle were smart, they would do that.

01:01:49.580 Anyway, can it only be five letters?

01:01:51.320 C-O-N-C-L.

01:01:51.940 Oh, is it only five?

01:01:52.820 I don't play that.

01:01:54.040 I never play Wordle either.

01:01:55.280 I know.

01:01:55.580 Not what I'm saying.

01:01:55.960 My kids play it.

01:01:57.060 OK, while we're on the subject of religion, did you watch the Met Gala at all on Monday?

01:02:03.600 Megan, do you think I watched the Met Gala?

01:02:05.800 Absolutely.

01:02:06.400 It's required viewing.

01:02:07.960 OK, I thought I didn't know if you would watch.

01:02:09.720 I thought maybe highlights.

01:02:10.460 So, you know, Lisa, Lisa, who I only know this woman from White Lotus, but she also sings

01:02:19.180 and is apparently very popular in the K-pop world, decided to wear underwear to the Met

01:02:26.280 Gala and to put Rosa Parks' face on her underwear.

01:02:30.520 It seems very clear.

01:02:33.320 And then there was backlash because she's a civil rights icon and she's kind of one of

01:02:38.180 the untouchables in American history.

01:02:41.540 Like, everybody's proud of Rosa Parks.

01:02:44.160 Like, it's just one of our icons who, like, had absolutely no power and did this extraordinary

01:02:48.720 thing.

01:02:49.140 And the worst people I've ever said about Rosa Parks is it was orchestrated and it was

01:02:52.280 planned.

01:02:52.620 Who cares?

01:02:53.200 Still.

01:02:53.600 I mean, amazing.

01:02:54.420 She had no power.

01:02:55.080 She's at the lowest end of the totem pole and the power structure.

01:02:58.180 And she did this extraordinary thing on the bus, blah, blah, blah.

01:03:00.460 She doesn't really belong on anybody's vagina.

01:03:02.560 That's just like, it shouldn't be controversial.

01:03:04.720 So, and it should be known, K-pop or not.

01:03:07.980 So now in the wake of the backlash, her rep has come out to say, that's not Rosa Parks.

01:03:14.580 That is the, this artist who came up with her, or the designer who came up with her outfit.

01:03:22.040 The designer's rep has come out to say, this designer put his neighbor's face on Lisa's

01:03:30.340 underwear.

01:03:31.280 That's his neighbor, Link.

01:03:33.300 It's not Rosa.

01:03:34.940 Now look, we've done a scientific experiment.

01:03:38.060 We have zoomed in.

01:03:40.200 Sorry, folks.

01:03:41.400 This is a very, very closeup of Lisa's crotch.

01:03:44.980 And there is Rosa on screen, right?

01:03:47.980 And I'm sorry, but it's the same person.

01:03:50.060 It's look where you can even see they did the part, the exact part in the exact part of

01:03:55.440 the head as we see on Rosa, but they're denying it, Link, because yeah, you know why.

01:04:01.320 Well, maybe his neighbor was Rosa Parks.

01:04:05.780 Oh, I have no clue.

01:04:07.680 I mean, when Rosa went from the back of the bus to the front, she didn't know she was going

01:04:11.160 to end up on this Asian lady snatch at the Met Gala.

01:04:14.160 I mean, how terrible is that?

01:04:16.000 What the hell is going on?

01:04:17.940 And when it comes to crisis management and PR, let me tell you, you are losing when you

01:04:24.060 are explaining that it's not Rosa Parks on your vagina at the Met Gala.

01:04:28.160 That is what you're losing.

01:04:29.120 If you're explaining, you are losing people.

01:04:31.620 Listen to me, OK?

01:04:32.940 It's a good point.

01:04:34.040 Yeah.

01:04:34.340 I don't believe the designer's rep one bit.

01:04:37.420 I think it's Rosa Parks.

01:04:38.760 The whole theme was black dandyism.

01:04:41.480 And you know what you did, Lisa?

01:04:43.620 Lisa.

01:04:44.220 Yeah.

01:04:44.620 I don't think Lisa did.

01:04:45.940 She probably just put it on and was like, I don't know.

01:04:48.100 I mean, I don't think Lisa even knew.

01:04:49.440 She would just put the outfit on.

01:04:50.340 Why would this K-pop lady know about Rosa Parks?

01:04:52.760 Because the designer was like, Lisa, guess who I put on your underwear?

01:04:56.740 And I bet you she was too dumb to realize that might be controversial.

01:05:00.360 That's my bet.

01:05:00.960 OK, sorry.

01:05:02.660 Speaking of the Met Gala, there is fallout.

01:05:04.940 Other fallout.

01:05:06.500 Rapper Dochi.

01:05:08.280 No idea.

01:05:09.180 It was very clear I don't follow music that closely because I never heard of Lisa outside

01:05:12.840 of White Lotus and it OK, so so now this is Dochi, D-O-E-C-H-I-I.

01:05:19.340 We know her on this show only as the weird lady who decided to put like a box around her

01:05:24.740 as she walked from the hotel, Mark, the Mark Hotel out like their little mini red carpet

01:05:31.140 to get into her van to be taken over to the Met Gala.

01:05:33.820 And she didn't want to be seen and she didn't want to be rained on.

01:05:36.520 And she turned into a massive bully screaming at her staff.

01:05:40.460 I need another umbrella.

01:05:41.500 Here it is.

01:05:41.980 Watch.

01:05:42.160 I got it.

01:06:12.160 I don't know what happened there at the end.

01:06:25.620 Dochi's an angry person.

01:06:27.420 I think we can safely conclude that.

01:06:29.960 And now she's trying to play it down like something like, you know, well, when you need

01:06:34.640 an umbrella, you need like, I'm sorry, but that that doesn't do anything to to quell

01:06:40.640 my reaction.

01:06:41.520 I think most people's reaction at what a bitch she was to her staff.

01:06:44.960 And it's like over an umbrella, right?

01:06:46.800 Like, it's not like, oh, my God, turns out I have an enormous hole in the back of my dress

01:06:52.060 that shows my entire ass.

01:06:53.400 Like, I would yell like that.

01:06:54.800 I would.

01:06:56.280 But like, you know, give me another umbrella.

01:06:59.180 Now, give me a fucking umbrella.

01:07:01.240 This is not a nice person.

01:07:03.400 I'll also say the unveiling of the Pope was less dramatic than that.

01:07:07.600 Like, who's in there?

01:07:09.360 Who's going to come out?

01:07:10.740 And then no one knows who the F you are.

01:07:12.780 You know what I'm saying?

01:07:13.460 Like, remember, we used to have big stars, Madonna, Michael Jackson, all these huge stars.

01:07:18.180 It's like, who's in there?

01:07:19.680 Big reveal.

01:07:20.320 It's Dogey.

01:07:21.660 Who the fuck are you, Dogey?

01:07:25.220 It's like, why do you need all this?

01:07:27.120 It was a couple of drops of rain.

01:07:28.780 Walk out to the car and they're going to take your picture 30 seconds later.

01:07:32.520 I don't understand.

01:07:33.280 They can't get your picture.

01:07:34.340 You're at the market going to the Met Gala.

01:07:36.540 These are self-important.

01:07:38.360 I think you called them as well.

01:07:39.920 Demonic celebrities.

01:07:41.420 They want to traipse up and down a staircase and $30,000 gowns.

01:07:44.940 And then they preach and proselytize to us how to live our lives.

01:07:47.800 So, Dogey, yeah, this is not really anything to write home about.

01:07:51.760 This is what she was so scared we might see.

01:07:54.560 For the listening audience, it's weird little checkered shorts and a weird checkered top with, like, a bow tie that's like the pussy bow that, you know, used to be in style a couple years ago.

01:08:06.980 And that's it.

01:08:07.920 Like, that's okay.

01:08:08.800 Great.

01:08:09.300 Some sort of a cape as well.

01:08:10.440 She's got this foxy Cleopatra hair.

01:08:11.940 I think that's maybe what couldn't get wet is the hair.

01:08:14.840 I don't know.

01:08:15.540 But we're giving her too much credit.

01:08:16.500 I don't know.

01:08:16.740 Like, well, let's be honest.

01:08:18.400 One umbrella will work over Dogey.

01:08:21.160 The way it works over all of our hair.

01:08:23.200 You don't need 20 umbrellas.

01:08:26.040 What is that moving mob amoeba of people in the lobby?

01:08:30.540 And by the way, half the stars came out of the mark and everybody posed and let the photogs have a shot the way you wanted them to.

01:08:41.320 Like, everybody's PR agent would love to have a shot by the photogs here and at the Met Gala.

01:08:46.280 You get both.

01:08:46.800 It's not going to be like, oh, we blew it because we already saw it at the mark.

01:08:49.420 I mean, she's just this woman's an idiot.

01:08:51.460 So I love to see the fallout from the people over there because they're they're bad people.

01:08:54.860 Well, OK, there's more.

01:08:56.640 We've got to get to my favorite story of the day, which is Hilaria Baldwin.

01:09:02.400 Hilaria, Link.

01:09:03.660 She's got a new book out.

01:09:05.440 OK, and she really, really wants us to get to know her better.

01:09:08.900 It's called Manual Not Included.

01:09:11.380 It came out this past Tuesday.

01:09:13.720 The cover shows Alec Baldwin with tape over his mouth in a box surrounded by the kids.

01:09:18.340 His daughter is holding the roll of tape and Hilaria is standing next to him in a humiliating pose.

01:09:26.240 What is this?

01:09:27.140 I don't know who that was.

01:09:28.220 But in any event, that's not Alec.

01:09:30.780 OK, so she talks about, among other things, the beginning of their relationship.

01:09:37.160 Let's take a listen to that soundbite because she also did the audio book.

01:09:41.380 For the first six weeks that we dated, Alec just wanted to talk.

01:09:45.460 He would shake my hand hello and goodbye.

01:09:48.280 Sometimes these early conversations were intense.

01:09:50.940 It wasn't purely about physical attraction.

01:09:53.660 It was true respect.

01:09:55.780 No one had ever wanted to get to know me in quite that way before.

01:10:00.300 What's not funny is the cruelty from the tabloid media and online trolls who tried to diminish me,

01:10:05.780 labeling me as a gold digging younger woman, someone who doesn't deserve to be with him.

01:10:10.540 I have given a lot of thought to why people want to label me as such.

01:10:14.540 Here's my theory.

01:10:15.920 Please bear with me.

01:10:17.680 If you're a successful gold digger, you have one kid.

01:10:21.460 Spend a few years with your husband, then get out of the marriage and take all of his money.

01:10:26.680 We have seen it modeled.

01:10:27.560 I can tell you that seven kids shouldn't be in the gold digging curriculum and I would probably receive like a solid D minus for this choice.

01:10:35.980 Kids are expensive and a lot of hard work.

01:10:38.920 Gold diggers want maximum money and minimal responsibility.

01:10:42.300 Do you accept that definition?

01:10:47.180 I mean, I'm over here taking notes.

01:10:48.980 Wait, how do I be a gold digger?

01:10:50.320 Hold on.

01:10:51.100 I don't think any of the Baldwin brothers are probably worth dating these days.

01:10:54.440 First off, manual not included.

01:10:56.460 Terrible name for a book.

01:10:57.900 I don't know if that's what came with her vibrator and her nightstand.

01:11:00.440 Manual not included, but I don't know why she needed that.

01:11:03.560 Also, she is kind of a gold digger.

01:11:05.760 I mean, she's also insane and has multiple personalities.

01:11:08.300 So for her to say she's not a gold digger, I mean, maybe you would have just met Alec Baldwin and fallen in love if he wasn't famous and wealthy at the time.

01:11:15.660 But I'm sure that was part of the calculus.

01:11:18.000 And I respect these women a whole lot more if she would just admit it, you know, say, you know what?

01:11:22.060 It was Alec Baldwin.

01:11:23.220 I was trying to be this yoga Pilates influencer.

01:11:26.700 I also love and people go watch on YouTube if you're listening so you can see what we're talking about.

01:11:30.900 He's smothered on the cover of the book.

01:11:32.740 I think his mouth is taped and he's taped.

01:11:35.060 This is really I think if they go to divorce court, he has so much lined up to just show that she's a psycho woman.

01:11:41.580 Why is he taped and trapped in like bondage on the cover of the book with all these kids?

01:11:46.380 And it's because she's trapped him in this apartment with a million kids, dogs, nannies and a camera crew.

01:11:51.600 And she hates him.

01:11:52.700 So maybe this is his penance for shooting that woman on the set of that movie.

01:11:56.040 God is like punishing him.

01:11:57.880 But he looks trapped.

01:11:59.980 These are Link's opinions, but they're well founded, in my opinion.

01:12:03.220 All allegedly.

01:12:04.780 I'm saying all this allegedly.

01:12:06.160 Yes, it's allegedly.

01:12:07.220 No, it's no, it's our it's your opinion based on the way she's behaved.

01:12:09.780 And I share your opinion.

01:12:11.300 This is a very strange woman.

01:12:13.320 And on the gold digging front, I think she's wrong, first of all, because, yes, if she left after one kid, he'd have to pay her child support.

01:12:21.260 That wouldn't necessarily keep her in the same style that she's become accustomed to as his full time wife and the mother of seven kids.

01:12:29.760 And secondly, I actually don't know that it was all money driven.

01:12:33.400 I'm pretty sure it was fame driven.

01:12:35.380 Fame is a different form of gold.

01:12:36.860 And I think she was extremely attracted to that.

01:12:39.340 And I think that's ongoing.

01:12:40.720 You can't as soon as you divorce Alec, the tabloids will follow you around for a year just to see if you say anything about Alec.

01:12:47.740 But they have no actual independent interest in Hilaria Baldwin.

01:12:51.640 None.

01:12:52.420 And she knows that she's only interesting because she's his wife.

01:12:55.380 And let's face it, he's one of the biggest stars in America.

01:12:57.660 He is.

01:12:58.040 By the way, my favorite Baldwin is now Billy Baldwin, still like Stephen, but it's Billy who came on the show last week on National Fentanyl Day.

01:13:08.420 And unlike a lot of these other Hollywood stars, didn't turn up his nose at my audience, even though it has many conservatives, just because they're conservatives.

01:13:17.120 You know, like so many assholes who are trying to, like, promote some health initiative will skip conservative media.

01:13:23.320 Like, they want conservatives to die.

01:13:26.060 They don't care if their kids get sick.

01:13:27.720 It's messed up.

01:13:29.260 So hats off to Stephen, or sorry, Billy Baldwin for being here.

01:13:32.820 Okay, so back to Hilaria.

01:13:34.100 So I think she's a fame digger.

01:13:35.640 It's a different kind of gold.

01:13:36.720 That's my own personal belief on her.

01:13:38.520 The best part of all this is she gets to the Spanish accent, the fake Spanish.

01:13:46.220 She grew up in a Tony, Boston suburb.

01:13:49.160 Her name is Hillary.

01:13:50.000 It's not Hilaria, as she wants us to believe.

01:13:51.880 It's Hillary.

01:13:52.820 And she's as white as they come.

01:13:54.460 She's not Spanish.

01:13:55.140 And she was mocked mercilessly a few years ago during COVID for this clip that was on the Today Show, where she pretended to forget how to say in English the word cucumber.

01:14:10.600 She's American.

01:14:11.660 She did not grow up in Spain.

01:14:13.020 She's bilingual, but her native tongue is English.

01:14:17.300 Remember this?

01:14:18.940 We have very few ingredients.

01:14:20.360 We have tomatoes.

01:14:21.740 We have, um, how do you say it?

01:14:24.380 Cucumber.

01:14:25.000 Cucumbers.

01:14:25.400 How do you say it in English?

01:14:29.020 How do you say it in English?

01:14:30.760 Okay, so now she's attempting to explain this problem as follows.

01:14:37.140 And then suddenly people were poking at me for how I sounded and how I code switched.

01:14:44.140 It all got out of control.

01:14:46.100 There was a coordinated mob after me.

01:14:48.560 Another factor that made me very uncomfortable at the time is that I have ADHD and dyslexia,

01:14:53.440 and these greatly impact my speech, my reading, my listening, my focus, my memory, and my self-confidence.

01:15:01.100 I have a brain that is one part English, one part Spanish, seven dollops of mom brain,

01:15:05.360 a heavy pour of distraction when I get stuck or go off on tangents and forget what I'm saying while I'm saying it.

01:15:12.340 At this point, I had not discussed any of this publicly.

01:15:15.940 I just existed in a land where sometimes I spoke one language and sometimes I spoke another,

01:15:20.680 and sometimes I mixed them and got mixed up, and I never talked about my processing differences.

01:15:25.800 I just tried to be normal.

01:15:27.600 Growing up being neurodivergent, I had to work harder in school than many of the people around me.

01:15:33.260 I took speech therapy to enunciate better.

01:15:36.140 The more I got treatment for the ADHD that I was trying to ignore,

01:15:39.420 the better I got at separating the two languages and not getting distracted.

01:15:44.620 I tried to improve myself in the ways the internet trolls had told me I was broken.

01:15:49.500 And then I got to the point where I realized, this is not helping me.

01:15:53.400 I am mixed up, but I am not bad or broken.

01:15:56.820 And then Ilaria returned.

01:15:59.060 Oh my God.

01:16:01.400 She's neurodivergent.

01:16:03.340 It's her ADHD that made her not remember how to say cucumber.

01:16:09.420 In English, Link.

01:16:10.960 You buying it?

01:16:12.200 Well, in college, my advisor said I needed a minor.

01:16:15.080 So I thought, what's the easiest thing I can do?

01:16:17.040 So I minored in psychology.

01:16:18.560 So in none of my courses, not in the DSM manual or anything,

01:16:21.940 none of my professors taught me that a side effect of ADHD and dyslexia

01:16:25.740 is actually having fake accents and fake personalities.

01:16:28.500 That was not ever in any of my curriculum.

01:16:30.980 So Ilaria, I don't know what is going on with her.

01:16:34.620 She's kooky.

01:16:35.200 They're just trying to make money because I think they're probably broke, right?

01:16:38.460 She's doing a book.

01:16:39.240 She's doing a reality show.

01:16:40.560 And I know I just keep coming back to the cover of the book, you guys.

01:16:43.180 You have to go Google it.

01:16:44.460 You've never seen a man more emasculated than he is on the cover of this book right now.

01:16:49.240 I mean, his mouth is taped.

01:16:50.440 He's wrapped up.

01:16:51.480 She looks like she is totally in control running that household.

01:16:55.560 And for her to say she's not a gold digger because she had, what, 10,000 kids instead of one,

01:17:00.100 maybe she could have Ashley St. Clair over for a crash course because Ashley St. Clair

01:17:03.980 certainly did not learn that lesson.

01:17:05.440 She should have sat there, shut her mouth, and pumped out those Tesla babies in that apartment.

01:17:09.480 But she threw it all away for an interview and a photo shoot with John Levine at the New York Post.

01:17:13.620 So I think Ashley St. Clair should skedaddle on over to Ilaria's apartment and get some notes from her.

01:17:18.320 Here's the other thing she says in the same part of the book where she's talking about she's neurodivergent,

01:17:25.780 and that's why she forgets her English word for cucumber.

01:17:29.640 I mean, first of all, not for nothing, but it's such an obvious lie because there are multiple examples of Ilaria

01:17:36.180 talking in a fake Spanish accent.

01:17:39.640 Like there she was in a fake Spanish accent and pretending to forget her English.

01:17:43.900 But we've run these clips ad nauseum on the show of her, like, let me tell you something.

01:17:49.940 When this baby needs its mama, she's like, she's, I think she's from Weston, Massachusetts.

01:17:56.160 She's from like, if it's not Weston, it's one identical, which is literally one of the nicest suburbs in the world.

01:18:02.960 She went to a private girl's school.

01:18:05.180 She has, the parents have tons of money.

01:18:07.480 She is as white as you or I are.

01:18:10.880 And she was Hillary.

01:18:13.440 She, she, now I'm back to Ilaria.

01:18:15.420 No, you are not Ilaria.

01:18:16.580 That too is an affectation.

01:18:18.280 So she writes in this passage.

01:18:20.540 Um, okay.

01:18:22.040 Growing up being neurodivergent.

01:18:23.580 You heard some of this there.

01:18:24.360 I had to work harder in school than any of the people around me.

01:18:26.620 Now I know that it's ridiculous that anyone would feel outraged or amused because someone forgot a word.

01:18:31.540 She says, but back then, and I think she's referencing the 2020 controversy over cucumber.

01:18:35.880 I started to really unravel.

01:18:37.560 Yeah.

01:18:38.000 Yeah, she was.

01:18:38.480 I was confused.

01:18:39.320 I felt lost.

01:18:40.760 I missed my family.

01:18:41.880 I couldn't eat.

01:18:42.980 I got very thin.

01:18:44.320 I started to question my sanity.

01:18:46.540 Then she says, I wanted to be dead and I got worse and worse and worse.

01:18:52.540 I took speech therapy to enunciate better.

01:18:55.960 The more I got treatment for the ADHD that I was trying to ignore, the better I got at separating the two languages and not getting as distracted.

01:19:05.160 I tried to improve myself in all the ways and that's when Hilaria returned to her at the end of this.

01:19:08.780 She appears to be suggesting that she wanted to kill herself over the cucumber controversy, over the fact that she wanted to enunciate better.

01:19:20.000 That's very strange because, as I say, there is a string of tape of her continuing to pretend she's Spanish and there's a tape of Alec Baldwin on one of the late night shows saying, my wife, she's from Spain.

01:19:33.120 And then he imitates her Spanish accent.

01:19:35.560 You're like, these two have been lying about this weird fake origin story for years.

01:19:41.480 I mean, maybe she just forgot the word cucumber because she's not all that bright and all that smart.

01:19:47.180 You know, or maybe she's had a thousand kids.

01:19:48.880 She bumped her head on the headboard too many times and she's concussed.

01:19:51.880 I don't know why she forgot the word cucumber.

01:19:54.300 But nonetheless, Hilaria Baldwin, she's just such a spiritual, smart woman.

01:19:58.540 Maybe she can broker the Maha peace deal in this Maha civil war right now.

01:20:02.280 She's just such mother of the earth.

01:20:04.060 But no, I have no respect for Hilaria Baldwin.

01:20:06.180 I think she's crazy.

01:20:07.300 It's really sad too because Alec Baldwin was this like handsome, masculine, like one of the last like masculine give zero Fs kind of guys, like punching paparazzi.

01:20:16.600 I watched It's Complicated on a plane a few weeks ago.

01:20:19.420 Alec Baldwin is so my type.

01:20:21.900 But when you see him like this emasculated and degraded, it's a no.

01:20:25.740 It's a no.

01:20:26.300 I know.

01:20:27.140 I agree.

01:20:27.700 He could have a comeback.

01:20:28.740 You know, he needs to lose 30 pounds and shave.

01:20:31.220 If he got his eyes done and shaved.

01:20:33.400 Oh, come back.

01:20:34.840 Come back.

01:20:35.320 Yeah.

01:20:35.840 Seriously.

01:20:36.340 And like me and a divorce, obviously.

01:20:39.060 Here she speaks to what happened with the death of Helena Hutchins, the cinematographer who Alec killed on set of the Rust movie in a mistake where he says he didn't fire the gun.

01:20:50.060 But the experts all say that gun wouldn't have fired if he hadn't pulled the trigger.

01:20:52.780 But he wasn't trying to kill her.

01:20:54.100 There's no dispute.

01:20:54.700 No.

01:20:54.880 It was a terrible tragedy and accident on the set.

01:20:58.380 In any event, she died.

01:20:59.700 And listen to this weird take on the aftermath of that.

01:21:04.880 Listen.

01:21:05.340 See if it jumps out at you as it did to us.

01:21:07.220 It's not 25.

01:21:07.640 Have you ever ignored a call coming in from your husband?

01:21:12.740 I did on October 21st, 2021.

01:21:16.440 Actually, it was two calls.

01:21:18.760 At that time, Marilu was my youngest and I was taking photos of her.

01:21:22.500 The phone rang and I ignored it.

01:21:24.360 I'm doing something right now, I thought.

01:21:28.180 Then Alec called again, which he often would do when he had a break from filming.

01:21:32.900 We had already spoken multiple times that day and I was planning to send him the pictures right after and make a joke about how he was interrupting our photo session.

01:21:41.180 He then texted me to call him right away and all of a sudden, my heart and my stomach smashed together.

01:21:48.440 Something must have happened.

01:21:50.100 The realization that he wasn't ever going to be the same started to sink in.

01:21:54.720 For the immediate future, from now on, I would need to take on the role of his protector.

01:21:59.460 I could have left Alec.

01:22:01.800 I could have taken our kids with me and abandoned him, but I didn't.

01:22:06.540 I stood by him because it was the right thing to do.

01:22:10.280 I saw and know the truth.

01:22:14.140 What?

01:22:16.780 At his lowest moment, she's going, I could have taken the kids and abandoned him.

01:22:20.900 Well, why is that step one that you're jumping to?

01:22:23.540 That doesn't even make sense.

01:22:24.960 And I know that the publisher is like, part of the deal, you have to write about the Helena Hutchins situation.

01:22:30.520 How could they not?

01:22:31.620 But at the same time, can this woman's family have some peace?

01:22:34.680 We understand in no world did Alec Baldwin mean to shoot this woman, right?

01:22:38.720 This is a New York guy who probably doesn't know his way around guns all that well.

01:22:42.140 So he didn't mean to shoot her, but can her family just have some peace?

01:22:45.280 Do you have to now do this for press to sell the book, Hilaria?

01:22:49.140 Yeah, that's the thing.

01:22:50.940 I mean, who says, you know, yes, he came under, you know, all this public scrutiny.

01:22:56.060 It was a media firestorm.

01:22:57.400 I could have left him.

01:22:58.780 I could have taken the children and walked.

01:23:00.660 What?

01:23:01.580 As if that's like the one of the top options.

01:23:04.100 Like when your spouse is in trouble, you're like, I can just peace out.

01:23:07.220 Fuck him.

01:23:07.720 I don't know.

01:23:08.040 Really?

01:23:08.280 This is his problem, not mine.

01:23:09.880 Really?

01:23:10.320 Who even thinks like that?

01:23:11.780 You know, like this is like Doug writing a book about our life together.

01:23:16.240 And then he gets to the chapter about NBC when I was all over the papers and saying terrible

01:23:21.820 things about me and like him being like, I could have left her right then.

01:23:25.600 I could have taken our kids and walked.

01:23:27.320 Who?

01:23:27.800 What?

01:23:28.820 Wait a minute, honey.

01:23:30.060 Huh?

01:23:31.720 This tells me that she probably met with lawyers and crisis management people at the time and

01:23:37.900 was probably being advised from a PR standpoint.

01:23:40.520 You could leave, do your own thing.

01:23:42.300 You go solo, get a people magazine cover.

01:23:44.500 You've left him behind.

01:23:45.400 That's all drama.

01:23:46.300 It makes me think there was probably, there are probably a council of advisors in her

01:23:49.440 ear giving her that as an option.

01:23:51.200 The fact that she's even thinking about it, because I've been in the same relationship

01:23:54.400 now for three years.

01:23:55.920 I couldn't imagine if he's at his lowest or I'm at my lowest saying, peace out.

01:24:00.700 I'm taking the, I'm leaving.

01:24:02.580 We don't have kids, but I'm leaving and moving the hell out of here.

01:24:05.000 That would never happen.

01:24:06.420 That's just so bizarre.

01:24:07.300 If you're actually in a genuine, if you're in a genuine relationship, not a fame relationship,

01:24:10.880 that's not even a thought.

01:24:12.520 It's very weird.

01:24:13.140 Correct.

01:24:13.520 And it goes back to my original theory, because if she's in, she's like a fame digger, it's

01:24:19.320 crossed over to infamy for Alec Baldwin.

01:24:21.360 So I might be out.

01:24:23.440 Like the one thing I was in it for has waned and actually gone a different direction, which

01:24:29.020 doesn't work for me.

01:24:29.880 So I, you know, under the implicit terms of our relationship, which is like, I'm young

01:24:34.860 and vibrant and probably a nice partner in certain ways.

01:24:38.440 Um, and you are supposed to be the one who is famous and gets us a lot of positive attention

01:24:43.960 and you've broken your end of the bargain, which is why I can leave.

01:24:47.560 Our, our contracts been violated.

01:24:50.100 This is a breach by you, which releases me from all for further obligations.

01:24:54.960 That's really what I hear her saying there.

01:24:56.300 Um, here she is on their reality show.

01:24:59.920 Can I say one thing real quick?

01:25:00.340 Yeah.

01:25:00.920 Yeah.

01:25:01.060 About Elaria.

01:25:01.700 I think she would have trouble finding another man.

01:25:04.500 Number one, with all the baggage from Alec, but I don't know a lot of single guys who want

01:25:08.800 to date a woman with eight children.

01:25:10.980 You know what I'm saying?

01:25:11.700 Like this woman who's been through the press and she's dragging eight babies around that

01:25:15.400 are like six months apart.

01:25:16.800 I don't think she's going to have an easy time.

01:25:18.620 She might as well just stay with Alec.

01:25:20.280 Honestly, she doesn't need a new husband if she really is just in it for the money, because

01:25:24.780 listen to what she said on their reality show.

01:25:27.800 Sat 26.

01:25:29.620 After my first marriage, I said, let's have a prenup.

01:25:32.020 I want to think about it.

01:25:32.960 She wasn't happy about it.

01:25:33.360 No, no.

01:25:34.220 First of all, I still don't understand quite what a prenup is.

01:25:36.340 It is awkward.

01:25:37.080 But I don't actually quite understand what a prenup is, because you're like, after a

01:25:40.960 certain number of kids, it's this.

01:25:42.040 And I was like, you know what?

01:25:43.000 I'll just sign it, which was probably very stupid of me back then.

01:25:46.200 Now I would read it again.

01:25:47.760 But like, I just said I will sign it.

01:25:49.380 I don't really want to think about the end by the beginning.

01:25:51.260 And then you're like, yeah, I don't want to do it.

01:25:52.520 Let's talk slower.

01:25:53.480 You're speaking English in a Spanish cadence, which is always perilous for me.

01:25:58.320 Slow down just a kiss.

01:25:59.260 I can't understand.

01:25:59.860 These two don't like each other.

01:26:03.360 And it seemed to be at the end, he released her from signing.

01:26:06.200 That's what I think I heard there.

01:26:07.880 But in any event, I think she'll be OK at this point.

01:26:11.220 Yeah.

01:26:11.500 If my boyfriend's downstairs, I'm not signing a prenup either.

01:26:14.320 Oh, yeah, for Ilaria, you know, absolutely.

01:26:18.180 This accent is bizarre.

01:26:20.000 They hate each other.

01:26:20.960 Ilaria reminds me of my friends when we go out for Mexican food at like Il Cantanero or

01:26:25.560 something in New York.

01:26:26.460 They'll have a few margaritas.

01:26:27.760 And suddenly they have like margarita induced Spanish accent.

01:26:31.180 They're like, margarita, cilantro, enchilada.

01:26:34.300 You know, it's like girls out for a bachelorette party having some margs.

01:26:37.760 That's Ilaria.

01:26:38.560 I think she kind of has a Spanish accent accent that comes in when she's drinking or I don't

01:26:42.580 know if she's in this mood.

01:26:43.860 But I also think one thing we don't talk about enough, 10 percent of the population is nuts.

01:26:48.620 10 percent of the population has some major psychological issue.

01:26:52.340 It's true.

01:26:52.480 So she has fake accents, fake names, fake personalities.

01:26:55.920 She's a baby making machine.

01:26:58.420 She could just be nuts.

01:26:59.340 She I just want to close the segment, go to break with this.

01:27:02.840 This is, you know, it wasn't just cucumber.

01:27:06.080 How you say cucumber in English?

01:27:08.220 Here's just yet another of her.

01:27:09.920 You tell me whether this sounds like a girl from the suburbs of Boston.

01:27:14.420 I want you guys to realize that we have seven kids and we'll have seven kids here to escort

01:27:22.240 them to school and to be there when they come home is not to school.

01:27:26.200 So on a human level, you guys know, I'm not going to say anything to you.

01:27:31.120 You know, you know, so please leave my family in peace and let this all play out.

01:27:38.360 Okay.

01:27:39.280 So let my kids come home and you stay away from them because they asked me, mommy, what are

01:27:47.620 these people doing?

01:27:49.060 And it's a very hard thing as a mom to try to explain.

01:27:51.580 So please go home because I'm not going to say anything and Alec is not going to say

01:27:56.880 anything.

01:27:57.600 Go home.

01:27:58.840 I'm not going to say anything and Alec's not going to say anything.

01:28:02.000 And don't bother my family, my baby.

01:28:05.520 They ask me, mommy, what the, who does she think she's kidding?

01:28:09.840 That's not neurodivergence.

01:28:11.300 And you know what?

01:28:12.020 No.

01:28:12.600 Screw you, Elaria, for trying to piggyback on people who actually do have neurodivergence

01:28:17.200 and ADHD and blaming your weird, fake cosplaying as a Spaniard on them.

01:28:24.380 No, absolutely.

01:28:25.180 I have tons of friends who are dyslexic, who have ADHD.

01:28:28.120 None of them have fake accents.

01:28:29.560 So I'm just racking my brain to think maybe she's a little off base here.

01:28:33.160 She also said she's taking her kids to school with that many kids in New York.

01:28:36.380 Just open your own school.

01:28:37.660 You've got 10,000 children.

01:28:39.540 And she reminds me of this French guy I dated back in 2021.

01:28:42.440 We'd be at dinner and he'd be like, can I get the, how do you say Diet Coke?

01:28:45.980 And I'm like, you just said it.

01:28:47.360 You don't need to say, how do you say it?

01:28:48.900 It's like, can I get the, how do you say taxi cab?

01:28:51.360 And I'm like, you just said taxi cab, you idiot.

01:28:53.360 So that's Elaria.

01:28:54.340 She's like, how do you say cucumber?

01:28:56.000 I'm like, you know the word, sweetheart.

01:28:57.800 Anyway, I guess.

01:28:59.200 You fool no one.

01:29:00.620 This is why it didn't work out between the two of you.

01:29:02.340 It sounds like you upgraded too.

01:29:03.920 All right.

01:29:04.060 I can't stand French.

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01:32:19.640 This just in, this just in, my daughter was a cow at the talent show.

01:32:31.200 It was a cow costume.

01:32:33.680 Now, I'm glad that's been clarified.

01:32:35.060 She and her friend were prancing around with the cow outfits with the enormous pillows in

01:32:39.840 their, in the front of the outfits to be their big cow bellies.

01:32:43.480 Nailed it.

01:32:44.040 Um, okay.

01:32:46.120 Someone who's also acting as a founder, um, inspired this scene from the with, with love

01:32:54.380 Megan, M-E-G-Y-N.

01:32:56.060 Maureen and I, before we did Blonde Origin, Link, we did an acting gig without you and our

01:33:00.140 debut, our debut movie was us mocking her.

01:33:03.220 And here's a clip from that special production.

01:33:07.280 Where are you getting all these like mini brainstorms?

01:33:10.100 What's, I'm so impressed by this.

01:33:12.600 You have to be a founder to really, I guess, understand it fully, but maybe in the next

01:33:17.860 wave of our friendship, I'll try to explain it to you.

01:33:19.680 Hold that tight, please.

01:33:20.720 Okay.

01:33:22.400 Okay.

01:33:23.340 Now this of course didn't come out of the ether.

01:33:26.300 I want to play for you the latest bit from her podcast, which is called Confessions of

01:33:35.160 a Female Founder.

01:33:36.920 Here she is.

01:33:37.860 When I think about big milestones for my own business with, as ever, I mean, Netflix coming

01:33:43.700 on as my business partner, huge.

01:33:46.280 Just having a global powerhouse that believed in me and the site selling out in the first

01:33:54.340 45 minutes of launch, everything, every single piece that we had been working on, that told

01:33:59.480 me that customers, people believed in me in this vision.

01:34:03.800 That's all you really want as a founder.

01:34:07.620 I can't.

01:34:09.260 I can't.

01:34:10.320 You two are a founder now.

01:34:12.000 Founder of the Spot on Podcast with Link Lauren.

01:34:14.780 Welcome to the club.

01:34:15.600 It's very exclusive.

01:34:16.780 Thank you.

01:34:17.140 She sounded like me at the top of the show.

01:34:18.720 Thank you, Megan.

01:34:19.440 Thank you so much.

01:34:20.540 But yeah, no.

01:34:21.180 With Meghan Markle, the only thing she found was a rich, famous husband.

01:34:25.260 If that's what constitutes being a founder, then sure, Meghan Markle's a founder.

01:34:29.900 She found a mansion in Montecito to live in.

01:34:32.140 She found a sit-down interview with Oprah to bash and shank her in-laws and accuse them

01:34:36.640 of racism.

01:34:37.520 But founding, putting your name on some cheap jellies, jams, and dog biscuits, I don't know,

01:34:42.680 sounds like a fall from grace for me.

01:34:44.360 If I were Meghan Markle, here's what I would do.

01:34:46.600 Not that I'm taking gold-digging advice from Hilaria.

01:34:48.820 I would have stayed over in the UK eating crumpets and scones.

01:34:52.120 I would have pumped out a few more royal babies.

01:34:54.220 And then the queen would have passed on to greener pastures.

01:34:56.920 Philip would have passed on.

01:34:58.020 And then they could have stepped back from the royal family.

01:35:00.120 But now you're living in California like a wannabe Kardashian hawking jellies, jams,

01:35:04.920 and dog biscuits.

01:35:05.940 Good for you, girl.

01:35:07.180 Good for you, Meghan.

01:35:08.620 Good for you.

01:35:09.180 And I love how she's like, we sold out in 45 minutes.

01:35:12.180 Meanwhile, not said is, what was the inventory like?

01:35:16.200 Honestly, for all I know, she had 20 jars of jam.

01:35:18.980 And 20 of her weird popcorn things.

01:35:22.340 Like, I have no idea.

01:35:23.800 It's not necessarily a sign of success that you sold out in 45 minutes.

01:35:26.620 I have no idea what your inventory was.

01:35:28.580 Maureen actually bought one of the jams just for research.

01:35:31.780 And it was in the most shoddy, pathetic little cardboard.

01:35:35.400 It was truly something you'd find at like your kids' bake sale,

01:35:40.440 whenever they put something together,

01:35:41.660 just try to hawk goods and raise money for a worthy cause.

01:35:44.260 It was like this cardboard cheap as ever stenciled thing.

01:35:47.980 It wasn't good.

01:35:48.920 So anyway, there she is being self-promotional.

01:35:51.580 And then Dan Wooden, when he was on the other day,

01:35:53.520 he came out and he told us this,

01:35:55.400 that one of her guests, another founder,

01:35:58.240 because she just keeps on having on people who she's invested in,

01:36:01.100 and that so they can tell everybody how great she is.

01:36:02.860 She decides to take a shot at her for wearing Birkenstocks

01:36:08.300 when she first met the Duchess, Link,

01:36:11.420 which you don't do.

01:36:13.020 Watch this.

01:36:14.620 And I just remember you kept shifting your feet

01:36:16.960 in and out of your Birkenstocks.

01:36:19.100 And I thought, oh my gosh, is this my first investment?

01:36:22.360 By the way, I wear Birks at home.

01:36:24.780 I think it's a really smart choice.

01:36:26.460 There was no shame in your game.

01:36:27.640 I was just struck by the fact that you were so comfortable.

01:36:33.720 Oh my God.

01:36:36.060 That's shady.

01:36:37.800 Yeah, she's definitely insulting her.

01:36:40.460 Meghan Markle is not in any position to give fashion advice.

01:36:44.360 Every time she leaves the house, she looks like crap.

01:36:47.480 Everything is misshapen.

01:36:48.700 She doesn't have a steamer.

01:36:49.900 She doesn't have an iron.

01:36:50.940 She's basically Miss Wrinkled Pants.

01:36:52.920 And then when she was in New York recently

01:36:54.340 for that Time Magazine event,

01:36:55.680 she had these pants that were like a burlap, potato sack.

01:36:58.720 They were so flowy.

01:36:59.580 If you jumped out of a plane,

01:37:00.720 you would land safely on the ground.

01:37:02.700 Meghan Markle looks terrible half the time.

01:37:05.220 Nothing fits her.

01:37:05.960 She's got these scrawny little legs

01:37:07.260 and she wears billowing linen pants.

01:37:09.520 Nothing fits her.

01:37:10.280 So she's in the last position

01:37:11.440 to give fashion advice whatsoever.

01:37:13.820 Catherine, Princess Catherine, looks impeccable

01:37:16.120 because guess what?

01:37:17.000 She actually has a steamer and a tailor.

01:37:18.800 I guess Meghan got $100 million from Netflix,

01:37:20.720 couldn't afford a steamer.

01:37:22.200 Yeah, and just a stylist.

01:37:23.580 That's all it would really take.

01:37:25.680 Okay, we've got to move on

01:37:27.060 because we've got to get to what's happening

01:37:28.100 with Bill Belichick.

01:37:29.500 There is a reporter who is claiming,

01:37:33.640 his name is Pablo Torre,

01:37:34.780 he used to be at ESPN,

01:37:36.680 who is claiming that the girlfriend,

01:37:39.500 Jordan Hudson,

01:37:40.720 is no longer allowed

01:37:42.220 in the UNC football building

01:37:44.480 in the wake of all this controversy

01:37:45.960 over whether she's elder abusing him.

01:37:48.320 Listen to his report.

01:37:49.060 Two sources at the University of North Carolina

01:37:52.300 tell me that there has been a decision

01:37:53.700 that was made last week

01:37:55.220 by the higher-ups inside the athletic department

01:37:57.360 that had hired Bill Belichick

01:37:58.460 to be the highest-paid public employee,

01:38:01.920 not just coach,

01:38:02.580 in the state of North Carolina

01:38:03.540 at $10 million a year.

01:38:05.040 And that decision was

01:38:06.280 that Jordan Hudson

01:38:07.520 is no longer allowed

01:38:09.460 in the football building.

01:38:11.020 Okay.

01:38:11.400 She is not allowed

01:38:12.160 on the football field.

01:38:13.820 Mm-hmm.

01:38:14.140 Don't think you'll be hearing much

01:38:16.880 from Jordan moving forward.

01:38:19.560 Okay, but then UNC came out

01:38:21.620 following his report

01:38:22.500 and issued the following statement.

01:38:24.360 While Jordan Hudson

01:38:24.880 is not an employee here,

01:38:26.320 she's welcome

01:38:26.840 to the Carolina football facilities,

01:38:28.380 the school said in a statement.

01:38:29.380 Jordan will continue

01:38:30.000 to manage all activities

01:38:31.040 related to coach Belichick's

01:38:32.420 personal brand

01:38:33.000 outside of his responsibilities

01:38:34.360 for Carolina football

01:38:35.820 and the university.

01:38:36.840 So they say she's welcome.

01:38:38.160 Then Pablo fires back,

01:38:40.580 saying,

01:38:41.780 stand by,

01:38:42.580 the University of North Carolina

01:38:46.200 can choose to describe

01:38:47.600 or change its position

01:38:48.880 on Jordan Hudson's involvement

01:38:50.660 however it wishes

01:38:51.600 following the publication

01:38:52.820 of our episode

01:38:53.480 because it was on his podcast.

01:38:54.440 He said it.

01:38:55.360 We requested comment

01:38:56.120 and filed dozens

01:38:56.900 of FOIA requests

01:38:57.740 that were not satisfied

01:38:58.920 and we stand by

01:39:00.120 the specific reporting

01:39:01.100 in our episode

01:39:01.840 which came from

01:39:02.800 the highest levels

01:39:04.060 of the football program.

01:39:07.160 So the drama continues,

01:39:09.020 Link, Lauren.

01:39:09.560 What do you make of it

01:39:10.340 and why, say you,

01:39:11.660 are you on Team Jordan?

01:39:14.520 Well, first off,

01:39:15.440 I don't think she needs

01:39:16.240 to come with him everywhere.

01:39:17.480 This isn't bring your child

01:39:18.580 to work day.

01:39:19.480 You know what I'm saying?

01:39:20.120 So I understand

01:39:20.660 she doesn't need

01:39:21.240 to be at practice.

01:39:22.300 She doesn't need

01:39:22.680 to be in the stadium

01:39:23.460 or anything like that.

01:39:24.500 She can stay at home.

01:39:25.620 But also,

01:39:26.320 can't a girl just become

01:39:27.460 rich and famous anymore?

01:39:29.100 Do we have to drag Jordan

01:39:30.420 or Jordan,

01:39:31.240 however the hell

01:39:31.700 she spells it,

01:39:32.340 through the mud

01:39:32.820 all the time?

01:39:34.000 Do people think

01:39:34.600 she's dating Bill Belichick

01:39:35.860 because he's this like

01:39:36.900 hot, sexy guy

01:39:38.060 who's great in bed?

01:39:39.240 No, that's not why

01:39:40.280 she's with him.

01:39:40.940 I mean, his prowess

01:39:41.860 was too much

01:39:42.420 for her to fend off.

01:39:43.500 No, we all know

01:39:44.300 why she's with him.

01:39:45.340 And the one thing

01:39:45.880 I'll say is

01:39:46.440 men do not cede land

01:39:48.040 or surrender

01:39:48.780 unless they want to, right?

01:39:50.320 There are tons

01:39:50.840 of older guys

01:39:51.520 who let women come in

01:39:52.680 and manage their house.

01:39:53.980 You know,

01:39:54.340 some of these older guys,

01:39:55.260 they barely have anything

01:39:56.020 in their fridge.

01:39:56.740 Their wardrobe's outdated.

01:39:58.200 They don't have

01:39:58.700 a huge social life.

01:39:59.600 So he's allowed her

01:40:00.240 to come in.

01:40:00.980 One piece of advice

01:40:01.860 for Jordan Hudson

01:40:02.520 I would give,

01:40:03.220 she also should hire

01:40:04.300 a stylist like Meghan Markle

01:40:05.660 because she looks

01:40:06.480 like a disaster

01:40:07.160 every time she leaves

01:40:08.140 the house.

01:40:08.680 And Jordan,

01:40:09.060 I'm saying this

01:40:09.520 as someone

01:40:09.820 who's on your team,

01:40:10.500 sweetheart.

01:40:11.120 The outfits,

01:40:11.900 the oversized t-shirt

01:40:13.020 with the thigh-high heels,

01:40:14.320 like if you're gonna

01:40:14.860 have that role,

01:40:15.920 you need to dress

01:40:16.500 for the role you want.

01:40:17.400 Dress for the job you want,

01:40:18.520 Jordan Hudson.

01:40:19.440 Okay, well,

01:40:20.180 I see your point.

01:40:21.240 It may be the,

01:40:22.300 you know,

01:40:22.580 the bargain they struck

01:40:23.420 and why are we

01:40:24.000 immediately on his side?

01:40:24.960 You know,

01:40:25.180 she,

01:40:25.720 it does look to me

01:40:26.380 slightly like elder abuse,

01:40:27.520 so I do have those questions,

01:40:28.380 but if he's of sound mind,

01:40:30.180 it's his choice.

01:40:30.980 I still find her obnoxious though.

01:40:32.380 Okay,

01:40:32.800 Michelle Obama.

01:40:34.520 I can just say one thing

01:40:34.960 real quick.

01:40:35.280 I understand people say

01:40:36.840 there might be

01:40:37.340 some undue influence here.

01:40:38.680 We talked about that also.

01:40:39.860 There might be

01:40:40.280 some undue influence

01:40:41.140 if he is having

01:40:41.920 cognitive issues.

01:40:42.840 So if that's the case,

01:40:43.660 I will eat crow

01:40:44.420 down the line,

01:40:45.200 I promise.

01:40:45.780 But I don't know if he is.

01:40:46.720 I mean,

01:40:46.860 it just looks like that

01:40:47.420 from afar,

01:40:47.760 and I don't know Bill Belichick.

01:40:48.940 Okay,

01:40:49.500 Michelle Obama,

01:40:50.560 listen to this.

01:40:52.580 And at this phase

01:40:53.940 of my life,

01:40:54.560 I'm in therapy right now

01:40:56.360 because I'm transitioning,

01:40:58.820 you know?

01:40:59.320 I'm 60 years old.

01:41:00.820 I've finished

01:41:01.660 a really hard thing

01:41:03.060 in my life

01:41:03.860 with my family intact.

01:41:05.580 I'm an empty nester.

01:41:07.020 My girls are in,

01:41:08.660 you know,

01:41:09.140 they've been launched.

01:41:11.040 And now for the first time,

01:41:12.580 as I've said before,

01:41:13.920 every choice that I'm making

01:41:15.420 is completely mine.

01:41:17.480 I now don't have

01:41:18.600 the excuse of,

01:41:19.780 well,

01:41:19.920 my kids need this

01:41:20.940 or my husband needs that

01:41:22.220 or the country needs that.

01:41:23.880 So how do I think

01:41:25.860 about this next phase?

01:41:27.480 Once again,

01:41:30.340 speaking a reference

01:41:31.200 to her time

01:41:31.840 as First Lady negatively

01:41:32.880 and I'm transitioning.

01:41:34.500 I mean,

01:41:34.760 an interesting choice

01:41:35.440 of words

01:41:35.940 given how the internet

01:41:37.460 refers to her.

01:41:39.140 Well,

01:41:39.600 the last time

01:41:40.300 a famous person

01:41:41.120 sat down in an interview

01:41:42.140 and said,

01:41:42.520 I'm transitioning,

01:41:43.480 it was Bruce Jenner.

01:41:44.460 So I did get nervous

01:41:45.360 for a second.

01:41:46.040 I see Michelle Obama.

01:41:47.300 She says,

01:41:47.720 I'm transitioning.

01:41:48.660 Also,

01:41:49.080 all the moms out there

01:41:50.020 drop a comment.

01:41:50.760 When I went off to college,

01:41:52.060 my mom said,

01:41:52.660 I'm going to be so sad.

01:41:53.760 I'm going to walk

01:41:54.220 around the house crying.

01:41:55.400 She did not do any of that.

01:41:56.700 I think she was happy

01:41:57.520 to have her life back.

01:41:58.740 So Michelle Obama,

01:41:59.620 maybe you do need therapy.

01:42:01.040 I'm also sick of Michelle Obama

01:42:02.620 who's probably worth

01:42:03.440 hundreds of millions of dollars.

01:42:04.880 She has a mansion

01:42:05.540 in Martha's Vineyard.

01:42:06.500 I'm tired of her complaining

01:42:07.740 that her life is so terrible.

01:42:09.680 If she's sad,

01:42:10.520 if she's depressed,

01:42:11.480 everybody else has real issues.

01:42:13.160 They're going to work.

01:42:14.020 They might be sad

01:42:14.760 and depressed

01:42:15.180 taking care of a sick relative.

01:42:16.720 They don't need

01:42:17.160 the former first lady

01:42:18.200 who got to fly around

01:42:19.280 on our dime for eight years

01:42:20.400 complaining that her life

01:42:22.060 is so terrible.

01:42:23.220 I'm sick of it.

01:42:24.140 Tell it to your friend,

01:42:26.140 Oprah.

01:42:27.140 Link Lauren,

01:42:27.860 very excited for Monday.

01:42:29.440 Everybody's got to check out

01:42:30.280 his first episode

01:42:30.940 of Spot On

01:42:31.880 with Link Lauren.

01:42:33.080 A pleasure, my friend.

01:42:34.020 Have a great weekend.

01:42:34.860 Thank you so much, Megan.

01:42:35.680 Thank you.

01:42:36.700 And all of you

01:42:37.300 enjoy your weekend too.

01:42:38.000 See you Monday.

01:42:41.720 Thanks for listening

01:42:42.500 to The Megan Kelly Show.

01:42:43.600 No BS,

01:42:44.720 no agenda,

01:42:45.480 and no fear.

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01:43:00.920 Bye.

01:43:00.980 Bye.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - May 09, 2025

Hilaria's Absurd New Book, MAHA Drama and Truth About RFK, and Launching ＂Spot On,＂ with Link Lauren ｜ Ep. 1069

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