The Megyn Kelly Show - ＂Hillary Was the OG Election Denier!＂｜ Bill Maher x Megyn Kelly - The FULL Interview

00:00:00.520 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:11.860 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, and we've got a treat for you today.

00:00:17.600 Joining me now is someone I've been wanting to interview on this program for years.

00:00:22.460 He is one of the sharpest political commentators around, someone who's not afraid to take risks

00:00:27.560 and has been politically incorrect for decades before it was cool.

00:00:32.180 And whether you love him or hate him, you pay attention to him.

00:00:34.860 Joining me today is Bill Maher. He's author of the brand new book that's just out today,

00:00:40.100 What This Comedian Said Will Shock You.

00:00:42.740 He's also host of the long-running show Real Time with Bill Maher on HBO.

00:00:47.500 Bill, welcome.

00:00:48.420 I'm going to say that book title is a lot funnier when you see it, because it's supposed to mock clickbait.

00:00:53.740 Of course, I got it immediately.

00:00:54.840 Okay, I know, but I've had book titles that went right over the heads of a lot of the audience.

00:00:58.880 This is the tease we used on Fox News for about two decades, without the words comedian.

00:01:04.180 What you hear next will shock you.

00:01:06.160 Right, exactly. I thought I would bring it to the book world.

00:01:10.240 No, I used to joke that once you start talking in teases, you've been in TV too long.

00:01:14.800 Right. But I had a book, a New Rules book out about 15 years ago, and the subtitle was A Polite Musings from a Timid Observer, which I thought was hysterically funny.

00:01:24.100 But every disc jockey in America did not get it.

00:01:27.260 They just took it. I was like, okay, now that was understatement, and it's supposed to be satire, but never mind.

00:01:32.840 Stay with me.

00:01:33.120 I'll just do a straight title next time.

00:01:35.400 So my favorite New Rules ever comes from about, I want to say about 15 years ago, and it was from the book. When did that book hit?

00:01:43.400 There was one out in 2005 and I think 2010.

00:01:47.120 Of course, those are, you know, New Rules books.

00:01:49.300 I call them toilet books because you can read them on the toilet.

00:01:52.660 You know, New Rules are very different than this book.

00:01:55.420 This book is from the editorials.

00:01:57.560 Now, I really redid all of them.

00:01:59.420 I mean, I worked like, I could never have done this without the strike, the strike that we had last year, gave me the time to do this.

00:02:05.260 But this is much more of a real book.

00:02:07.980 The New Rules books were fun, but New Rules are short.

00:02:11.080 They're punchy.

00:02:12.040 They can be about anything.

00:02:13.160 They're not always serious.

00:02:14.840 It's just, they're very random.

00:02:16.920 And, you know, again, you can pick it up on the toilet and read three or four of them, and that's that.

00:02:21.740 This is a real book.

00:02:24.160 Not that the other words weren't real books.

00:02:25.820 What was I lured into in my previous purchases?

00:02:28.780 No, they were fun.

00:02:30.940 But I feel like this one I'm more proud of than any book I ever did.

00:02:34.560 Yeah.

00:02:34.780 So speaking of The Toilet, my favorite New Rule was, New Rule, stop giving tickets to blind people for not picking up after their dogs. 1.00

00:02:43.020 You see, they would, but they can't see shit.

00:02:47.380 Yeah.

00:02:48.240 Right.

00:02:49.020 That was the New Rules book.

00:02:51.260 They're funny and punchy, but this one I think people should treat like the Bible. 0.96

00:02:56.260 I think they should put it by their nightstand and read passages each night, and I think it'll help you through your life.

00:03:01.980 Well, in part, it's a diagnosis of what's going on with us right now.

00:03:06.200 And in part, to me, it picks up on something you said to me shortly before I came on your show after my own cancellation at NBC.

00:03:13.020 And you said, you seem to me, privately, you said, you seem to me kind of like me right now, which is somebody without a political home.

00:03:22.140 Sure.

00:03:22.240 And I felt that way.

00:03:23.680 And I still feel that way.

00:03:24.720 I mean, I've been a registered and independent forever, but I know exactly what you're saying.

00:03:27.680 Just the world's lost its mind.

00:03:29.000 And I certainly would never put on somebody's team jersey anymore.

00:03:32.160 Right.

00:03:32.340 Without a team.

00:03:33.580 Yeah.

00:03:33.780 Right.

00:03:34.700 And you know what?

00:03:35.480 I like it that way because I don't want to be a part of a team.

00:03:38.580 I mean, I would say I caucus with the Democrats more.

00:03:41.720 I definitely think the right wing is much more dangerous.

00:03:45.420 They don't believe in democracy anymore.

00:03:47.620 And they threw their lot in with a sociopath named Donald Trump.

00:03:51.380 So, you know, no, he's not.

00:03:53.880 No, no.

00:03:54.260 I just like, I want to talk about your feelings on Trump.

00:03:56.800 Yeah.

00:03:57.020 Well, there you go.

00:03:58.320 But this is how you and I are very similar.

00:04:00.520 I feel like you're kind of a four and I'm a six on the ideological scale.

00:04:03.660 We have a lot of overlap, but you're definitely still going to vote Democrat.

00:04:07.440 And I'm definitely going to vote Republican.

00:04:09.440 But there's enough commonality to make us shake our heads.

00:04:12.340 Yes.

00:04:12.520 When the other one speaks a lot.

00:04:13.700 So you're going to vote for Trump.

00:04:15.040 I am going to vote for Trump.

00:04:16.120 Yeah.

00:04:16.360 Yeah.

00:04:16.720 I mean, I can't even understand that.

00:04:20.000 And I understand that Biden is deeply flawed, but he does believe in our way of life.

00:04:25.120 And, you know, I mean, I was the one who was saying from the very beginning when everyone

00:04:29.080 was laughing at me that Donald Trump will never give up power.

00:04:32.380 And he didn't.

00:04:33.360 He still hasn't conceded the last election.

00:04:35.500 I don't know what could possibly be more fundamental to you or anyone than you have to concede elections.

00:04:42.020 And he hasn't conceded the last one.

00:04:44.440 He's plainly not going to concede this one.

00:04:46.760 He now has all of his sycophants around him parroting his party line, which is when they

00:04:52.580 ask them, will you abide by the election results?

00:04:56.440 Yes, if it's a free and fair election, which is another way of saying if we win.

00:05:00.620 You really think this is a place this country should be?

00:05:03.380 Mm hmm.

00:05:03.960 I'm not going to defend the election denialism.

00:05:06.220 I'm not one of those people who believes that.

00:05:07.840 But what's more important?

00:05:08.660 What kind of country do we have?

00:05:09.900 How about my daughter not going into a locker room and seeing a man's penis? 1.00

00:05:13.320 That's important, too.

00:05:14.360 And I mean, how about young men on college campuses getting due process when they get

00:05:17.940 accused falsely of rape?

00:05:19.240 Well, yeah, I think that's a false equivalency.

00:05:22.080 I think these things are.

00:05:22.860 Bullshit.

00:05:23.080 What do you mean?

00:05:23.740 I think these things are important.

00:05:26.080 And but you can you can handle these things through the normal due process of our system.

00:05:32.920 But if we lose the system itself, come on.

00:05:35.580 But we didn't.

00:05:36.720 We didn't so far.

00:05:38.160 He tried it.

00:05:38.900 It failed.

00:05:39.900 Right.

00:05:40.560 And now he's had four years to put in place people who will make it work again.

00:05:44.640 I don't know if there'll be a John Rauschenberger in Georgia, a noble Republican who stood up

00:05:50.400 to him.

00:05:50.680 He thought last time that he could count on someone being just a Republican to do his

00:05:57.460 bidding.

00:05:58.000 And what he found out was that there are a lot of decent people who are Republicans, which

00:06:01.660 is something I'm trying to tell the Democrats all the time.

00:06:04.860 You can't hate you can hate Trump.

00:06:06.560 You can't hate everybody who likes him.

00:06:08.060 And you certainly can't hate half the country.

00:06:10.120 And Republicans is not a byword for bad people.

00:06:14.520 And a lot of them stood up.

00:06:16.340 I mean, even ones who I don't like very much.

00:06:18.780 Mitch Romney, McConnell, obviously, Liz Cheney, Chris Christie, there were Mike Pence.

00:06:29.880 These are what I call as good as it gets Republicans for the people who don't like Republicans.

00:06:34.860 They full-throatedly said Trump lost that election.

00:06:39.520 No two ways about it.

00:06:41.380 McConnell said it wasn't even a particularly close election.

00:06:44.440 A lot of people said it.

00:06:45.120 A lot of people said it.

00:06:45.840 But look, I agree with you that the majority of the Republican Party doesn't believe that.

00:06:50.240 But I do think there's a difference between it was stolen, you know, the nonsense with Dominion

00:06:56.160 voting machines and all that versus it wasn't fair.

00:07:00.120 And, you know.

00:07:00.840 What wasn't fair?

00:07:02.180 The election.

00:07:02.540 Don't get me started.

00:07:03.600 What wasn't fair?

00:07:04.260 Okay.

00:07:04.660 Well, the election.

00:07:05.340 How about the suppression of the Hunter Biden left taxer?

00:07:07.120 Just for one.

00:07:08.040 Oh, for fuck's sake.

00:07:09.500 Really?

00:07:10.540 Oh, then we're not as alike as you think.

00:07:14.160 Okay.

00:07:14.520 That's a stupid non-story.

00:07:16.620 I mean, yes.

00:07:17.060 Says who? 0.65

00:07:17.900 There are polls that show some 10 to 12 percent of the electorate says they would have changed

00:07:21.580 their mind had they seen it, had they known about it.

00:07:23.780 It wasn't right.

00:07:24.580 It wasn't right to suppress it.

00:07:26.540 But nobody gives a fuck about Hunter Biden's dick.

00:07:29.800 You said nobody.

00:07:31.260 You're talking about yourself.

00:07:32.300 I'm telling you, there are data to show people did care.

00:07:36.000 They say they would have changed their vote.

00:07:38.020 Nobody who was going to vote for Trump anyway or Biden anyway.

00:07:42.900 I mean.

00:07:43.340 It wasn't about Hunter Biden's man parts.

00:07:45.760 It was about the scandal of his corruption and his dad's corruption.

00:07:50.660 Bill, I used to think that Hunter Biden was a hot mess and Joe Biden was embarrassed by him

00:07:56.080 but had to deal.

00:07:56.640 Now, I really think he was doing Joe Biden's bidding.

00:08:00.040 Joe Biden is the bad guy who sent his drug addled son out there to collect money.

00:08:05.700 That's what the laptop shows.

00:08:08.560 And that's more important than what I was bringing up about not abiding by election results,

00:08:13.600 not not respecting what always made this country great.

00:08:17.240 The peaceful transference of power.

00:08:19.280 I don't disagree with you on that.

00:08:20.360 You're not going to get me to say it was a great thing.

00:08:22.120 I don't have to get you to agree or disagree.

00:08:24.700 You're obviously someone who looks at an elephant and a mouse and cannot tell which one is bigger.

00:08:29.700 I disagree.

00:08:30.600 I think that's projection by you because I look at Joe Biden.

00:08:33.200 No, I mean, that's how I see you.

00:08:34.420 Well, let's talk about.

00:08:36.300 Why are you telling me this?

00:08:37.580 I mean, this is just typical right wing talking points.

00:08:42.200 The evil Hunter Biden and the evil Joe Biden.

00:08:45.960 And look, do I like them?

00:08:47.660 No, I don't particularly like them.

00:08:48.960 I think they're very flawed.

00:08:50.100 Listen, listen.

00:08:50.480 It's not nearly on the scale.

00:08:52.360 You're misstating my argument.

00:08:53.680 You're misstating my argument.

00:08:54.740 Hunter Biden just now on the laptop was brought up as evidence of how the election was not fair.

00:08:59.640 He's not a reason necessarily to not vote for Joe Biden.

00:09:03.340 The reason not to vote for Joe Biden is his policies.

00:09:06.260 You're not woke.

00:09:07.320 He's as woke, or at least his policies are, as they come.

00:09:10.380 The open border bill.

00:09:12.160 How could anybody vote for somebody who keeps this border open with the number of rapes

00:09:16.060 and the number of murders and the numbers of crimes going on with these immigrants? 0.93

00:09:19.400 But again, these are the normal sorts of issues we've always had in this country that should be taken care of through the normal process we've had.

00:09:30.160 You're talking about the difference between some this.

00:09:33.360 I'm talking about the difference between this and something fundamental, which is our democracy.

00:09:37.800 The fact that you have to respect who wins an election or else you don't have the kind of country we've always had before.

00:09:46.140 How about I mean, I feel like we keep going around the Rose Bush about this and we're not going to make any progress.

00:09:52.400 So let's stop talking about it.

00:09:54.220 But, you know, I just I mean, you you keep saying sort of I'm nuts because I don't see the difference between the elephant and the mouse.

00:10:00.780 And I'm telling you, I identify them differently than you do.

00:10:03.580 Hillary Clinton, of course, is the original election denier.

00:10:06.280 I'm sure you voted for her in 16. 1.00

00:10:08.120 Well, she's not an election denier. 0.99

00:10:09.760 She absolutely was the OG election denier. 0.95

00:10:12.980 She first of all, she came out before the sun had risen to concede the election to Trump.

00:10:19.800 And then spent the next four years saying he was illegitimate.

00:10:23.260 He was an illegitimate president.

00:10:24.720 She OK, well, first of all, saying she didn't say he was an illegitimate, you tell me exactly what she said.

00:10:30.960 She said those exact words repeatedly.

00:10:34.280 OK, I mean, she conceded the election, whether whether you're interpreting her disappointment at losing it as the same thing as Trump not conceding it.

00:10:46.420 I don't know that that's where you're getting it from.

00:10:48.580 But again, it's a tremendous false equivalency.

00:10:51.480 You could ask Hillary Clinton right now who won that election. 1.00

00:10:54.360 She will tell you Donald Trump won the election.

00:10:56.680 Now she knows she has to because of what Trump has done.

00:10:59.640 She came out that night in her dark purple suit and conceded the election. 0.98

00:11:04.760 Correct.

00:11:05.160 And then spent the next four years trying to convince us it was not legitimate.

00:11:09.380 Just saying, look, it's not the same as Trump.

00:11:11.080 What Trump did was far more severe.

00:11:13.360 I'm not going to deny that.

00:11:14.620 But don't try to tell me that Hillary Clinton wasn't an election denier and Jamie Raskin and a whole host of Democrats who are now in prominent positions on Capitol Hill.

00:11:22.860 It doesn't make it great what Trump did, but they don't have clean hands either.

00:11:27.500 But you see, you bypass the immigration question.

00:11:29.540 I mean, like that a lot of Republicans.

00:11:31.060 I'm not bypassing it.

00:11:31.300 I think it's a disaster.

00:11:32.440 I think I think.

00:11:33.040 So how would you put this guy back in there for four more years to leave the doors open?

00:11:36.600 And like it was so much better under Trump?

00:11:38.880 Yes, it was better under Trump.

00:11:40.460 Are you kidding me?

00:11:41.140 It was somewhat better.

00:11:42.460 Oh, Bill.

00:11:43.080 It was somewhat better.

00:11:44.260 Go look up the immigration rates.

00:11:45.820 Yeah, I know.

00:11:46.200 Illegal immigration rates. 0.78

00:11:47.160 I agree.

00:11:47.500 For 2020, for 19 to 20.

00:11:49.760 I'm not defending Biden on immigration.

00:11:51.780 I don't I don't understand why it's so difficult in this country to stop people coming through the border.

00:11:57.240 I don't.

00:11:57.780 And I watched that 60 Minutes piece.

00:12:00.380 They did on it a couple of months ago.

00:12:01.940 And they had films of people coming through this hole and the border patrol just watching them and basically waving.

00:12:10.320 I don't understand why.

00:12:12.200 I don't understand why this country can't accomplish something like that.

00:12:15.120 It doesn't seem like it's impossible, but so many things in this.

00:12:18.880 That's what's so aggravating.

00:12:19.920 We can accomplish it.

00:12:20.740 We can we can stop what's happening at the southern border.

00:12:23.200 We just won't under Joe Biden.

00:12:24.820 And he keeps pretending like he has no agency on it, but he does have agency.

00:12:28.500 There are a lot of executive orders he could do just like Trump did.

00:12:31.260 He won't.

00:12:32.300 And you know why?

00:12:33.280 It's because of the people who use the word latinx who are trying to lecture him that it's not humane to enforce our borders.

00:12:40.600 Yeah, I would agree with that.

00:12:41.700 The left wing, because they're so afraid always of being called racist, they let that color every issue and very often wind up with terrible policies that wind up not helping people of color. 0.54

00:12:58.540 Don't you think that's what's happening to him on the trans issue, too, which is my big issue that I mentioned off the front?

00:13:02.900 Well, I think what Joe Biden is, is a guy who does not want to fight with the left wing of his party.

00:13:07.540 He sees that as I don't think he understands a lot of what's going on in the left wing.

00:13:12.820 I mean, I doubt if he heard the word trans before he was president.

00:13:17.840 But that's that's what he has chosen to do.

00:13:21.160 He does not want to fight with AOC.

00:13:22.860 He thinks that's where the energy in the party is.

00:13:24.840 And he's not completely wrong.

00:13:25.960 So he just kind of goes along with that kind of stuff.

00:13:30.020 Yeah, that's that's one thing that's not great about him.

00:13:32.640 But again, in this country, maybe gender is not binary, but politics is.

00:13:37.800 You only get two choices.

00:13:39.180 That's right.

00:13:39.740 You get Donald Trump, a criminal election denier who is going to transform this country into an authoritarian place like we've never seen before.

00:13:50.100 Or you get Joe Biden with all his flaws, also a criminal.

00:13:55.480 OK, well, what is his crime again?

00:13:57.660 Special Counsel Robert Hurst said he committed felonies, but he wouldn't indict him because he was a well-meaning elderly man with a poor memory.

00:14:03.980 He couldn't get a conviction in front of a jury.

00:14:06.760 And what was that crime?

00:14:08.440 That was the classified documents all over his basement, his garage, everywhere.

00:14:13.020 Well, OK, again, a false equivalency.

00:14:15.800 They both had classified documents.

00:14:17.260 Here's the difference.

00:14:18.120 Because immediately, Biden, he shouldn't have had them.

00:14:21.400 Immediately, he said, oh, sorry, my bad, and gave them back.

00:14:24.840 That's why he didn't get charged with obstruction.

00:14:26.980 But Trump has two classified documents, pieces to his case.

00:14:30.440 One is you had them.

00:14:31.620 And the second is you obstructed justice when we demanded them back.

00:14:34.600 So, OK, against Biden, you don't get charged with obstruction.

00:14:37.460 But number one, where's the where's the classified documents charged against him?

00:14:40.240 He's also a felon.

00:14:43.780 You got your story.

00:14:44.960 You know, look, if you see it that way, that's what I have to deal with.

00:14:50.680 Just tell you, you're asking me why I see it differently than you do.

00:14:54.000 The contest between the two of them.

00:14:55.820 And I'm telling you.

00:14:56.280 It's not convincing.

00:14:57.020 It's fair enough.

00:14:58.280 I mean, they both should not have had classified documents.

00:15:01.920 One by the toilet.

00:15:02.880 One by his Corvette.

00:15:04.740 OK.

00:15:05.200 One.

00:15:06.680 One.

00:15:07.680 Multiple.

00:15:08.460 Many.

00:15:08.860 No, I'm talking about one person.

00:15:10.280 OK.

00:15:10.540 One of them.

00:15:11.340 OK.

00:15:11.660 I'll copy.

00:15:12.140 Right.

00:15:12.400 One Trump.

00:15:13.380 One Biden.

00:15:14.220 They both did that.

00:15:15.660 The difference is Goofus and Gallant. 0.91

00:15:17.920 Goofus said anything I touch is mine forever.

00:15:21.340 Go fish.

00:15:22.600 And the other one said, oh, yeah, my bad.

00:15:26.120 And I'll immediately return them.

00:15:27.800 That's very funny.

00:15:28.500 You're taking me back to my childhood with that reference.

00:15:30.180 But that why can't the difference be one actually had the ability to declassify documents and keep them because he'd been the president and one didn't because he should have been looking at documents only in a skiff while a sitting U.S. senator.

00:15:44.040 And clearly he stole classified documents that he wasn't entitled to and never had the ability to declassify them.

00:15:51.340 Yeah.

00:15:53.280 Maybe you know more about that than I do.

00:15:55.240 I don't remember that part of it, and I always don't trust anything I hear until I vet it from the other side because everybody sort of has their one-sided view of it, and narrative is more important than truth.

00:16:06.620 I know this is the right-wing narrative.

00:16:09.180 I'm not like that, Bill.

00:16:10.560 I care about facts.

00:16:11.940 I practiced law for 10 years.

00:16:13.260 I want to get the cases right more than I want to get clicks, and I have a lot of lefties who watch me.

00:16:18.940 So I'm not like that.

00:16:20.860 All I can tell you is those are the facts.

00:16:22.580 And Joe Biden also has behaved in a grossly, grossly extra-constitutional manner, not only the nonsense of trying to skirt the Supreme Court on the eviction moratoriums and the student loan, quote, debt forgiveness, which he's bragging about skirting them on, but the four indictments, which obviously the White House was behind and promoted and wanted.

00:16:46.960 Four indictments of a former sitting president, which we've made it almost 250 years without doing.

00:16:52.660 If that's not extra-legal and weirdly non-normy, I don't know what is.

00:16:57.780 What are the four indictments we're talking about now?

00:17:00.760 The two federal indictments against Trump and the one in New York and the one in Georgia.

00:17:04.540 Oh, you're talking about the Trump indictments.

00:17:05.700 Yeah, I'm saying this administration 100 percent was behind at least those two federal ones, and there's evidence they were behind the other two, or at least in coordination, though they deny it.

00:17:15.720 They were behind them.

00:17:16.980 It wasn't Trump committing those crimes?

00:17:19.600 Do you really think – you don't think that Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton could have been indicted for what they did when he left office with all the furniture?

00:17:26.360 I don't remember –

00:17:27.500 If somebody kicked the tires of the Clinton initiative, the foundation, you don't think they could find something?

00:17:31.940 I think they did kick those tires a lot.

00:17:34.580 I'm not sure what they found, but I don't think it was much.

00:17:38.240 I don't remember Bill Clinton ever calling up –

00:17:40.380 Hillary Clinton could have been indicted post her run. 0.86

00:17:42.680 As I was saying, I don't remember Bill Clinton calling up a secretary of state and saying, I need you to fine me 11,000 votes.

00:17:50.200 You don't find that to be a bit of a smoking gun?

00:17:52.740 I don't.

00:17:53.080 Here's why.

00:17:53.600 Because I've listened to the whole phone call.

00:17:55.360 I have too.

00:17:56.340 And what he's saying is, I'm only behind by some 100,000, whatever the number was.

00:18:02.120 He said, so I want a recount, and I want you to start counting, and all I need is this number.

00:18:09.460 So basically, once you get to that number, you can stop counting.

00:18:11.960 Look, I don't want to have to defend Trump on his denialism about the election because I'm more on your team on that.

00:18:19.200 But I understand why it's not a smoking gun as you just put it.

00:18:22.180 Okay, well, you know, people see things differently.

00:18:26.820 They do.

00:18:27.460 Yeah.

00:18:27.620 So this is why you feel like a man without a party, because your team feels like you do on the Trump stuff.

00:18:33.900 They hate Trump, but they're not with you when it comes to your anti-woke-ism.

00:18:40.500 So where does that leave you?

00:18:41.940 Who do you go out to dinner with?

00:18:43.600 Lots of people.

00:18:44.280 I mean, I feel like more people than ever are on team me, whatever that is, because, you know, they're the normies in the middle who don't want to be ideologically captured by either side.

00:18:57.500 That's who I feel like I speak for.

00:18:59.060 People who are not afraid to call out their own team, if you have a team or a team that you are more on the side of, when they do stuff that's goofy.

00:19:10.800 And I think they appreciate it a lot.

00:19:13.040 I mean, I notice in my stand-up shows, you know, the audience is kind of half and half.

00:19:17.440 And the liberals will laugh at woke nonsense and the conservatives will laugh at Trump jokes.

00:19:26.860 Most people in this country, I think, understand that there are deep defects on both sides.

00:19:33.720 Yeah.

00:19:34.200 And they just want the extremists who seem to have the megaphone on either side to go away or stop being so powerful.

00:19:42.600 You know, everybody is like, why can't we just be, you know, common sense and why can't we just, you know, be the people in the middle?

00:19:50.660 But at the end of the day, no one sort of stands up for that because it's just so easier to pander to the people who are a team because those are the people who wind up scaring the other people.

00:20:01.660 I mean, certainly on the left, that happens.

00:20:03.520 I've said it many times.

00:20:04.880 The problem with wokeness is nobody ever gets canceled for being too woke.

00:20:08.960 That's how you wind up with men can get pregnant. 1.00

00:20:12.600 Yeah.

00:20:13.240 Because you can say the most ridiculous thing and because no one wants to be the one who's called out on Twitter, they'll be like, oh, sure, men pregnant. 1.00

00:20:23.680 I've always said that.

00:20:26.080 I saw a dude who was glowing today.

00:20:28.400 You know, it's just so ridiculous what you can get away with saying and just the intimidation factor.

00:20:36.960 And certainly on the right, that happens too.

00:20:39.480 So you don't seem like someone who's ever felt that.

00:20:42.600 Have you managed to escape ever afraid of blowback from your own side?

00:20:49.040 Well, I mean, come on.

00:20:51.740 I've been on 31 years.

00:20:53.380 It comes with the territory every week.

00:20:55.580 When people say to me on Saturday, how'd the show go last night?

00:20:58.160 I'd say, if I'm not canceled today, it went great.

00:21:01.660 You know, I mean, they're always looking to take you down.

00:21:05.220 And the knives are always out.

00:21:07.080 But, you know, I feel like at this point, after 31 years, if they wind up getting me, OK, I had a pretty I had a pretty good run.

00:21:17.180 That's right.

00:21:17.560 And also, I think there's just a lot of people who have my back and and they appreciate what I do and they appreciate me having that bond with my audience that I don't pull a punch and I never will.

00:21:29.820 And it's made me, you know, lose some audience.

00:21:32.900 That's true.

00:21:33.400 I say it in the introduction of the book.

00:21:34.820 I say I have lost some people and I don't miss them.

00:21:37.960 Those are the more woke people who think I'm somehow betrayed them.

00:21:42.480 And I didn't.

00:21:43.180 One reason I wrote this book was by going through all the old editorials over the whole span of the show.

00:21:49.720 I wanted to see, have I changed or has my politics changed?

00:21:54.820 And I really think it's not mostly me.

00:21:57.660 I mean, the left was very different.

00:21:59.640 Now, of course, the right got way worse.

00:22:01.420 Also, we won't go back into they don't believe in democracy.

00:22:04.340 We just had that discussion.

00:22:05.820 But that certainly is way worse, in my view.

00:22:09.520 But the left, yes, went off the deep end also in their own way.

00:22:13.500 And so what I always tell people who are Democrats and liberals is you don't have to lecture me about Donald Trump.

00:22:23.300 I'm the one who I think who was sounding the alarm bells before anybody.

00:22:27.000 But I also get why people vote for him.

00:22:29.360 I absolutely do.

00:22:31.900 Because the stuff that, for example, you just said penises in the swimming pool and the stuff that is threatening to people that comes from the left is so much more in their everyday life.

00:22:43.500 It's not vague.

00:22:46.740 Like to most people, oh, what's Trump and democracy?

00:22:51.060 It's a vague thought.

00:22:52.260 And Ukraine, that's very far away.

00:22:54.580 Was it impeachable?

00:22:55.620 Who knows?

00:22:56.720 But I know about my kid coming home from school and saying, well, they're telling me I can't tell you.

00:23:04.840 Yeah.

00:23:05.720 If I change my sex.

00:23:07.180 Or saying, as we discussed on your show when I was a guest, suggesting to your perfectly normal son that he might be a girl at my all-boys school, they kept asking them over and over, raise your hand.

00:23:19.340 Where are you on the scale of girl to boy, zero through five?

00:23:22.260 I did an editorial only like three weeks ago, and I used the word entrapment.

00:23:27.640 I mean, it was about comparing what goes on in the schools with entrapment.

00:23:32.060 I don't think anybody had ever put it that way.

00:23:34.180 But entrapment in the law, I'm sure you know this better than I do, means suggesting someone into a crime.

00:23:41.040 Yep.

00:23:41.540 Something they wouldn't have thought of to do anyway.

00:23:44.000 I mean, I used the example of after 9-11, there were a number of cases where law enforcement basically entrapped people who were not really going to be terrorists.

00:23:54.480 The one case I mentioned was the Liberty 7, seven guys in Liberty City, Miami, a poor section of Miami.

00:24:01.440 And they basically went to them and said, you know, wouldn't it be cool if you blew up the Sears Tower in Chicago and taught the man a lesson?

00:24:10.640 And these guys who didn't even have a gun, probably the only guys in the neighborhood who didn't have a gun, said, yeah, that would be pretty cool.

00:24:23.500 That's entrapment.

00:24:24.420 And I was saying, look, when you constantly talk to little kids about sex and gender and constantly put out the idea that maybe the body you're in is not the correct one aligning with what's in your mind, that's entrapment.

00:24:41.620 That to me is the same thing.

00:24:43.040 You're suggesting them into something they wouldn't have thought of anyway, because I promise you when I was a kid, it never crossed my mind.

00:24:49.120 I never thought, huh, maybe I am a girl.

00:24:52.860 I mean, I thought a lot of, you know, how could I learn how to talk to a girl?

00:24:57.300 But even at that age, we didn't want to talk to a girl. 1.00

00:25:00.260 We had not reached puberty yet.

00:25:01.900 See, this is like, this is where it's just so frustrating to me because I looked at that Biden event where he had all the trans people out in front of the White House. 1.00

00:25:14.500 And it's like some trans, it's a guy with fake breasts showing his naked breasts on camp, like on the White House lawn. 0.99

00:25:22.500 It was like National Trans Day of Visibility, which is every day in America now. 0.98

00:25:27.040 And they're on the White House.

00:25:28.680 It's like, would you have some dignity?

00:25:31.320 Could there be some dignity and decorum?

00:25:35.540 And I realize you could make the dignity argument over on the right, too.

00:25:39.300 Trust me, I get it with Trump.

00:25:40.520 But that's why I look at Biden and I'm like, how do we get stuck with this, right?

00:25:45.160 Like how, why didn't the Democrats replace him?

00:25:47.520 And why did the Republicans re-nominate Trump?

00:25:49.560 I think it's, I think I know.

00:25:50.780 I think they thought he was the strongest candidate, the one who could sort of be the strongest leader and take Biden down.

00:25:56.980 But I look at Biden and I feel like the Democrats really could have made a switcheroo.

00:26:00.300 I know he didn't want to give it up, but they could have made a switcheroo.

00:26:02.660 I mean, my first show back after the strike ended, which was last September, the first editorial I did was called Ruth Bader Biden.

00:26:11.540 I was the one who coined that phrase.

00:26:14.340 I was saying, if he continues on, if he doesn't get out of the race, he's going to be Ruth Bader Biden.

00:26:20.440 He's going to be the person who hung around too long, destroyed his legacy and probably the country with it.

00:26:27.020 But he's got to get out now because, you know, too long at the fair.

00:26:32.560 We get it.

00:26:33.400 Ruth Bader was a, Ginsburg was a justice the liberals loved.

00:26:37.220 And I'm sure she did some great things and was a pioneer, but her ego would not let her go away.

00:26:42.880 And I mean, the story goes, oh, Biden, oh, Biden, Obama, Obama had her to lunch once, like I think in 2013 and was kind of hinting around, hey, wouldn't it be great if you spent a little more time with the grandkids?

00:26:58.400 What do you think?

00:26:59.680 And she didn't take the hint and thought she'd live forever, which was really crazy because she had been through a lot of really serious medical issues.

00:27:08.560 And then, of course, it happened.

00:27:10.060 And then, of course, Mitch McConnell, who would not even give Merrick Garland a hearing, which was talk about unconstitutional, suddenly, of course, found it in his heart to push through Amy Coney Barrett immediately.

00:27:26.320 So that's what you get for trusting the other side.

00:27:29.400 So I thought he should step down, but apparently that hasn't happened.

00:27:32.880 I would hope the Democrats, some of them would think it's still not too late.

00:27:37.500 You could do it before the convention.

00:27:38.920 I mean, weirder things have happened in American politics, and I don't think anyone would bat an eye that it was out of the ordinary.

00:27:48.220 So what?

00:27:48.900 We don't care.

00:27:49.620 America loves new.

00:27:51.900 I've always suggested that to candidates.

00:27:54.000 I said that about Chris Christie.

00:27:55.960 He should have ran when he was popular in, what was it, 2012?

00:28:00.480 Yeah.

00:28:00.920 And he said, it's just not my time.

00:28:02.520 But he was hugely popular.

00:28:03.500 The longer you stay around, the worse you're going to do, because they have more to get you on.

00:28:10.040 Obama, they said the same thing.

00:28:11.380 He's only been a senator a couple of years, and he went, good.

00:28:14.180 Right.

00:28:14.440 You don't know that much about me.

00:28:15.820 Great.

00:28:16.200 America likes new.

00:28:18.040 There was before Chris Christie, before Bridgegate, before Beachgate.

00:28:21.540 You know, all those pictures were just devastating to him.

00:28:23.760 And then all the Trump lapdoggery, which really kind of sunk him.

00:28:27.520 And Trump came along.

00:28:28.880 I mean, he could have been the guy.

00:28:30.400 Remember with Trump, he was like, I love him.

00:28:31.800 I hate him.

00:28:32.220 I love him.

00:28:32.600 I hate him.

00:28:33.020 And then, you know, when you're like, it's like, and Romney, too.

00:28:36.740 And that was another start of like his breakup with the Republican Party, where, you know,

00:28:42.240 he was like blowing with the wind.

00:28:43.860 But yeah, no, I agree.

00:28:45.440 It's not too late.

00:28:46.400 If I were a Democrat, I'd be begging for them to sub in somebody else. 0.83

00:28:49.120 Even Kamala might be better at this point, although I doubt it.

00:28:52.020 I don't know, though.

00:28:52.880 You know, everybody talks about Michelle Obama as the big hope, and she doesn't want to do it.

00:28:56.580 She doesn't want to do it.

00:28:58.940 And I don't blame her.

00:29:00.140 And they already served.

00:29:02.020 I mean.

00:29:02.300 So what do you think is going to happen?

00:29:05.600 Well, I know one thing I can guarantee will happen is that Trump will say he won, whether

00:29:12.380 he won or lost.

00:29:13.360 I agree with that.

00:29:14.580 Well, that's not a good thing for America, is it?

00:29:16.320 No, I agree with that.

00:29:16.700 I think on January 20th, 2025, he'll show up at the White House, whether he's invited or

00:29:21.780 not.

00:29:23.280 And I don't think that's going to be good.

00:29:24.840 You think he's going to bomb in if he lost?

00:29:28.800 Yes.

00:29:29.900 Oh, yeah.

00:29:30.620 Bomb is a word I wouldn't even throw around lightly.

00:29:32.780 Oh, stop it.

00:29:33.340 He's not going to do that.

00:29:35.240 Right.

00:29:35.700 Like, there was never an attack on the Capitol, Megan.

00:29:38.200 Oh, I hear you.

00:29:38.760 I hear you.

00:29:39.200 But he's not going to show up at the inauguration.

00:29:40.960 Like, they didn't show up at the Capitol and break windows and knock down doors and kill

00:29:46.800 cops and chase.

00:29:48.060 They didn't do that.

00:29:48.880 They didn't break windows, knock down.

00:29:50.820 They didn't kill cops.

00:29:51.380 They, of course, did.

00:29:52.360 No, they didn't.

00:29:53.100 Who did?

00:29:53.880 They died of natural causes that day?

00:29:55.720 Yeah.

00:29:56.100 Nobody died that day.

00:29:57.340 Cops.

00:29:57.920 No.

00:29:58.600 Not true.

00:30:00.120 Who?

00:30:00.660 Okay.

00:30:01.200 Who?

00:30:01.640 Oh, I don't remember the names.

00:30:03.520 They didn't.

00:30:03.960 There was Brian Sicknick, who died later after the fact, and the coroner's report did not

00:30:10.880 say it was because of what he had inhaled that day.

00:30:14.020 He said it had possibly accelerated the condition that killed him.

00:30:17.380 Okay.

00:30:17.640 Well, attacked cops.

00:30:18.920 I thought they were the law enforcement people.

00:30:22.340 You know, how did we get to this place?

00:30:25.540 I mean, Trump now says he's going to pardon all those January 6th insurrectionists because

00:30:30.780 who wants to live in a country with the people who try to overthrow the government?

00:30:33.960 are seen as the bad guys, huh?

00:30:35.580 They weren't insurrectionists, Bill.

00:30:38.060 They weren't?

00:30:38.600 They were a bunch of numbskulls. 1.00

00:30:40.540 They chased, oh, that's so stupid.

00:30:43.100 They chased duly elected representatives out of the building and wanted to hang the vice

00:30:48.020 president for certifying the election.

00:30:50.520 That's not an insurrection?

00:30:51.800 The people who engaged in violent acts or actually made threats along those lines are all being

00:30:56.840 prosecuted appropriately.

00:30:58.340 And I've said repeatedly, I hope they get the book thrown at them and they've had it.

00:31:01.280 But you're so upset about the entrapment that happened of the Muslims after 9-11. 0.75

00:31:05.300 How about the entrapment that happened to some of those J6 protesters? 0.94

00:31:08.200 Wait, wait, wait.

00:31:08.740 I'm waiting.

00:31:09.240 Wait, wait.

00:31:09.580 Let's go back to what I'm so upset about with the Muslims. 1.00

00:31:12.100 That we talked about after 9-11 and the feds getting involved.

00:31:15.600 Oh, yeah.

00:31:17.160 So entrapment...

00:31:18.220 Well, they weren't Muslims. 0.99

00:31:19.400 They were just guys.

00:31:20.540 All right.

00:31:20.900 Well, my point is there are...

00:31:23.320 I'm not going to...

00:31:24.180 Again, you're making me defend things that I...

00:31:26.920 Then you shouldn't.

00:31:27.400 In part...

00:31:28.120 That are horrible.

00:31:28.840 They don't defend them.

00:31:29.840 Why defend them?

00:31:30.700 Because it's more nuanced than you're suggesting.

00:31:32.960 They were not insurrectionists.

00:31:34.080 There was never any possibility that they were...

00:31:37.120 I've heard you refer to it as a coup.

00:31:38.100 They attempted.

00:31:38.800 ...going to take over the government.

00:31:40.300 It wasn't going to happen.

00:31:41.900 It was a protest.

00:31:42.880 They broke into the Capitol.

00:31:45.440 They broke into the Capitol.

00:31:46.600 They opened the doors and let them walk in.

00:31:49.360 Security was waving them in one after the other.

00:31:51.440 I can show you the footage of them knocking through the gates.

00:31:54.360 I can show you the footage of many of them being welcomed in by cops, Bill.

00:32:00.180 See, that's the difference between the two of us.

00:32:01.800 Once they broke down the doors...

00:32:02.460 I will make a distinction between those who truly behave badly and those who thought they

00:32:06.420 were having a good time in Statuary Hall.

00:32:08.620 Yeah.

00:32:08.880 There were some people who just came to meander and wander around.

00:32:12.640 That's true.

00:32:13.360 They just...

00:32:14.200 I've seen the documentary that Alexander Pelosi did on it.

00:32:18.140 It's interesting because a lot of them were just like, oh, yeah, it's an interesting

00:32:21.100 place to go and let's see what happens.

00:32:22.940 And there's also footage of people and there were people who absolutely intended to stop

00:32:27.500 that election.

00:32:28.960 Absolutely.

00:32:29.820 So I don't know what you would call that.

00:32:31.840 Maybe you don't like that word insurrectionist because it got too...

00:32:34.660 I know it's too anti-Republican, but that's what it is.

00:32:38.420 I don't agree with you.

00:32:40.280 I don't think...

00:32:40.680 The legal definition of insurrection, they don't meet, and that's why it wasn't actually

00:32:43.940 charged.

00:32:45.020 It's a leftist dream to try to make it sound even worse than it was.

00:32:48.940 These leftists who didn't care at all when their people were out on the roads, killing

00:32:52.960 cops, actually killing, hurting cops, killing others in the BLM protests, suddenly found

00:32:59.400 their conscience when it happened on J6.

00:33:01.660 Killing cops is always wrong.

00:33:03.720 Doing it in the service of trying to overthrow the government of the United States is a little

00:33:08.040 is a little bit different.

00:33:09.460 It wouldn't happen because we were lucky it didn't happen.

00:33:13.540 They tried to make it happen.

00:33:14.760 Attempting to commit a crime is bad.

00:33:16.900 Trump tries to commit crimes all the time, like this one.

00:33:19.840 The fact that he doesn't succeed doesn't make it better.

00:33:23.780 It makes it better for the country.

00:33:25.340 Let's see what happens next time.

00:33:26.820 But, you know, we are not exactly like the detective and the serial killer.

00:33:30.520 Oh, we're a lot more alike than you think.

00:33:32.740 We're actually not that alike, I think.

00:33:34.380 I think you're right.

00:33:35.180 Yeah.

00:33:35.500 I agree.

00:33:35.940 We see a very different reality.

00:33:37.580 Yeah.

00:33:38.160 Which is fine.

00:33:39.040 I mean, that's...

00:33:39.720 It is fine.

00:33:40.680 I...

00:33:41.080 We have to be able to talk and disagree and still be civil.

00:33:44.200 I think we're doing a good job.

00:33:45.800 Yeah.

00:33:46.080 We're having a robust discussion.

00:33:47.120 We're doing as best as we can.

00:33:48.480 That's right.

00:33:49.280 Now, let's talk about universities and Hamas and Israel because I know you've been, I think,

00:33:54.700 very strong on this issue.

00:33:55.780 Yes.

00:33:56.700 We won't have to fight anymore.

00:33:58.580 So how do you...

00:33:59.540 There's always common ground.

00:34:01.160 How do you see...

00:34:03.660 How did we get there, right?

00:34:05.260 Where we've got people in the scarves with the Hezbollah and the Hamas flags chanting

00:34:11.180 at Jews that they can't go to class?

00:34:12.780 Again, for people who say to me, you know, you make fun of the left more than you used

00:34:19.180 to.

00:34:20.020 Yes, I do.

00:34:20.840 First of all, I'm a comedian and you're a lot funnier than you used to be.

00:34:25.540 Not intentionally, but you are.

00:34:28.920 You know, not just pregnant men and identity politics and oversensitivity and victim culture

00:34:34.680 and cancel culture.

00:34:35.620 There's lots of funny stuff.

00:34:36.820 But if I ever needed a reason or a rationale for making the case that the left has changed,

00:34:45.200 it would be this.

00:34:46.680 The fact that they're now marching for the terrorists.

00:34:50.580 Really?

00:34:51.340 Right.

00:34:52.020 The people who see themselves as the most liberal people in the world, the social justice warriors,

00:34:59.520 are standing with some of the most illiberal people in the world.

00:35:04.600 I mean, I'm going to do my next editorial I'm going to do when I get back to work at my

00:35:09.720 day job is about, look, kids, I know you're looking for a cause.

00:35:16.040 And that's admirable that kids want to have a cause.

00:35:19.400 I got one for you.

00:35:21.340 Women. 0.81

00:35:22.800 Women around the world, especially in Muslim majority countries.

00:35:28.060 Hamas. 0.73

00:35:28.660 I mean, really, you're marching for Hamas?

00:35:30.620 Do you know that there are no equal rights for women as regards almost everything you

00:35:34.840 can imagine?

00:35:35.860 Speech, voting, free movement, divorce, property rights, freedom from sexual harassment, freedom

00:35:48.180 from sexual violence.

00:35:49.680 I mean, every possible thing that is a left-wing cause, they violate.

00:35:56.240 But those are the people we want in charge.

00:35:59.260 Those are the people we want to control from the river to the sea.

00:36:04.140 Even the people, of course, under the rule of Hamas hate them.

00:36:08.700 It's a fascist dictatorship.

00:36:10.700 Yeah.

00:36:11.200 It's a fascist dictatorship.

00:36:12.440 It's worse.

00:36:13.020 It's a fascist dictatorship with a hard right religious bent.

00:36:17.760 It's like the worst of all worlds.

00:36:20.600 And those are your heroes.

00:36:21.960 That's right.

00:36:22.420 And they're out there.

00:36:23.020 I mean, it's gone beyond, of course, they were praising, as you know, on TikTok, the

00:36:25.960 bin Laden letter and doing the Muslim call to prayer five times a day.

00:36:30.200 These are people who are, you know, probably in Catholic mass for most of their formative

00:36:34.480 years or Christian mass.

00:36:36.380 Now they're down on the prayer rug, having absolutely no idea if you move to one of those 1.00

00:36:40.060 countries where that's practiced in the Middle East, they're going to mutilate your 1.00

00:36:43.540 genitals.

00:36:44.260 You'll say goodbye to sexual pleasure because that's what the people you're praying to push.

00:36:48.920 Just ask Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who I know you know.

00:36:50.880 Yeah.

00:36:51.540 I saw the funniest meme.

00:36:53.380 It was two panels in the top one.

00:36:56.140 It said, you know, queers for Palestine, because they have that banner. 0.97

00:37:00.700 No, it's ridiculous.

00:37:01.700 And on the bottom, it's a guy getting thrown out the window, Palestine for queers, right 1.00

00:37:07.680 up the window.

00:37:08.620 Well, I pulled this clip because it turned out to be a very famous clip.

00:37:13.620 And Sam Harris is in it.

00:37:15.560 Ben Affleck is in it.

00:37:16.580 You know, the one I'm talking about.

00:37:17.860 Oh, yeah.

00:37:18.340 From 2014, I think, yeah.

00:37:20.100 It went totally viral.

00:37:21.480 And, you know, as usual, a lot of these issues who were ahead of the curve in sort of identifying,

00:37:25.980 no, there's actually a problem here that we're not acknowledging.

00:37:28.200 I'm going to play it.

00:37:28.860 Watch it.

00:37:30.380 We have been sold this meme of Islamophobia where every criticism of the doctrine of

00:37:36.300 Islam gets conflated with bigotry toward Muslims as people.

00:37:40.440 Right.

00:37:40.560 And that is intellectually ridiculous.

00:37:43.940 So, hold on.

00:37:44.980 Are you the person who understands the officially codified doctrine of Islam?

00:37:48.960 You're the interpreter of that?

00:37:50.020 So, you could say, well, this is...

00:37:51.180 I'm actually well-educated on this topic.

00:37:53.040 I'm asking you.

00:37:53.880 So, you're saying if I criticize, you're saying that Islamophobia is not a real thing.

00:37:57.700 That if you're critical of something...

00:37:59.360 Well, it's not a real thing when we do it.

00:38:01.080 Right.

00:38:01.240 It really isn't.

00:38:03.120 I'm not denying that certain people are bigoted against Muslims as people.

00:38:06.720 And that's a problem.

00:38:07.660 Bigotry.

00:38:08.160 But the...

00:38:09.760 But why are you so hostile about this concept?

00:38:11.320 Because it's gross.

00:38:12.340 It's racist.

00:38:13.020 It's not.

00:38:13.740 But it's so nuts.

00:38:14.680 It's like saying the stateless shifty Jew.

00:38:17.480 You're not listening to what we are saying.

00:38:20.300 Ben, we have to be able to criticize bad ideas.

00:38:22.400 Of course we do.

00:38:23.260 No liberal doesn't want to be criticized as bad ideas.

00:38:24.700 But Islam at this moment is the mother load of bad ideas. 1.00

00:38:27.700 Jesus.

00:38:28.100 So, we have...

00:38:28.660 That was amazing television.

00:38:32.360 Sam Harris was totally right.

00:38:34.280 Yeah.

00:38:34.760 And it is about ideas.

00:38:35.900 And again, this is one of the big problems with the left today, is they see race in everything.

00:38:41.720 So, you know, nothing ever...

00:38:43.700 And again, as the guy who was trying to, like, be the common sense person in the middle, just speak for the normies, everything, I think, to a lot of people, strikes it the way it strikes me.

00:38:52.920 As we start with one thing, this idea over here, and then we're all the way on the other side over here.

00:38:59.180 In this issue, of course, you know, as we were saying over there, there are people who are bigoted, and that's wrong.

00:39:06.780 And, of course, it's great that we got more impatient with racism in this country.

00:39:12.460 That is the appropriate response I think we should have toward racism, being impatient with it.

00:39:17.440 And then it goes all the way to...

00:39:20.820 And no one who is a person of color can ever do anything wrong.

00:39:26.440 That's how you get, we don't talk about China.

00:39:29.660 Yeah.

00:39:29.940 North Korea starves its people. 0.98

00:39:33.040 China puts the Uyghurs in concentration camps. 1.00

00:39:35.780 The president of Burundi was on the front page of the New York Times a month ago saying we should march the gays into football stadiums and kill them for just being gay.

00:39:50.320 Boko Haram captures entire villages of children, but none of these crimes are coming from white people. 1.00

00:39:56.300 So, crickets.

00:39:58.560 Really, kids?

00:39:59.820 Nothing?

00:40:01.160 No marching against any of this?

00:40:04.460 You raise this point in the book, too, and I thought it was a really good one, about how when we do our, you know, look back at history, only the whites get excoriated for their bad behavior 200 years ago. 0.60

00:40:17.620 It's like, wait a minute.

00:40:18.520 Yeah, Genghis Khan was pretty rough.

00:40:21.400 You know, talking about colonizers, I think 11% of certain, was it the whole earth or maybe it's Asia?

00:40:29.800 Yeah, I think it's the earth.

00:40:30.980 Like a descendant?

00:40:31.980 A descendant from Genghis Khan because he colonized a lot of vaginas. 1.00

00:40:37.020 I mean, yeah, I mean, look, it was a different era.

00:40:40.260 I also, there's a couple of really funny editorials, essays in that book about time and the idea that the woke have this crazy idea that, you know, people who lived 500 years ago really should have known better.

00:40:53.600 You know, they have this magic moral time machine where they imagine what they would be doing in 1758 and it's always better than what you would have been using the term master bedroom.

00:41:05.000 No, that's another thing, yes.

00:41:08.200 And again, that's another point I'm always trying to make is that the difference between old school liberals like me and the woke is things like that.

00:41:16.380 People, I think, have this idea that wokeness is an extension of liberalism and it very often is something that goes so far, it actually turns around and becomes the opposite.

00:41:26.460 Yes, I agree with that.

00:41:27.880 Yeah, the thing that you just mentioned about master bedroom or, you know, blacklist or these terms.

00:41:36.100 Rule of thumb.

00:41:37.640 JIP, you know, I mean, reservation, I guess we're not supposed to say because, you know, insulting to the Indians.

00:41:45.860 What are you supposed to say when you go to a restaurant?

00:41:48.080 There's something wrong with picnic, too.

00:41:49.560 We're not allowed to say picnic anymore.

00:41:51.140 I can't remember why.

00:41:52.060 We have a, we're supposed to eat here.

00:41:54.720 You know, it's just, it's just, so again, wokeness seems a lot about canceling people, catching people at something, renaming stuff.

00:42:04.800 Liberalism was at least about trying to fix things.

00:42:07.620 It was about trying to lift people up, the people who had been forgotten genuinely, and there are many of them, and downtrodden.

00:42:14.420 These are the people we wanted to lift up.

00:42:16.800 That's different than just this pointing fingers and saying, I'm more pure than you are, and I think I can prove it.

00:42:23.380 You know, you never want to get into a, I, who hates racism the most contest with someone on the woke left.

00:42:30.700 It's like, you know what?

00:42:32.360 I hate it, too.

00:42:33.880 Okay?

00:42:34.380 Isn't, shouldn't that be enough?

00:42:35.840 Except I also hate anti-white racism, unlike them.

00:42:38.740 That's the problem.

00:42:39.600 Yes, and things have, yeah, things have changed a lot.

00:42:41.640 They also, there's an essay in there about progressophobia, which was Steven Pinker's great term that he coined, that it is a real problem on the left.

00:42:49.460 They do not want to acknowledge progress, which is crazy, because it is the product they're selling.

00:42:56.380 Because somehow in their mind, if you acknowledge progress, then you're not as pure as the other person who says, no, things are still horrible.

00:43:04.400 Well, lots of things are still horrible, and things just objectively are way better.

00:43:09.320 Can we just live in the year we're living in?

00:43:11.740 That's what I'm always saying.

00:43:12.900 Just live in the year we're living in.

00:43:14.560 Did you see that Biden speech at Morehouse College?

00:43:18.040 No.

00:43:18.440 It's a black college, and he went, they gave him an honorary degree.

00:43:24.840 It's where MLK went.

00:43:25.920 This is when?

00:43:26.660 Just this past weekend.

00:43:27.700 Oh, okay.

00:43:27.840 So they gave him an honorary degree, and he did, you know, gave a speech.

00:43:31.280 And first of all, the fact that they're giving an honorary degree to Joe Biden, who's like, I mean, the list of racist comments that guy has made is as long as Santa's scroll, but okay, fine.

00:43:39.420 So they got him to speak there.

00:43:40.660 They made him feel good about himself.

00:43:41.940 But it was the most pandering, absurd picture of blacks in America and the present day and America's relation to our black population. 0.99

00:43:54.760 It was absolutely disgusting.

00:43:56.020 It was like he was trying to stir up racial hatred right there live to the point where a couple of the black students turned their backs on him, which was pretty extraordinary. 1.00

00:44:05.520 And he does it all the time.

00:44:08.020 Well, Democrats should be asking themselves, why does Trump each election do better, not worse, with minorities and immigrants?

00:44:19.240 Not worse, better.

00:44:21.020 Did better in 2020 than 2016 and seems to be doing better this time.

00:44:25.540 That's a question Democrats really need to look in the mirror and ask themselves.

00:44:29.880 And with the immigrants, I think I know the answer. 1.00

00:44:32.620 I'll save them the trouble.

00:44:35.500 Immigrants don't like it that the left seems to have this unrelenting negativity toward the country that these immigrants worked so hard to get here.

00:44:45.900 They really worked hard to get here.

00:44:48.020 And when Trump says shithole, the shithole, I think a lot of them are going, yeah, you're fucking right.

00:44:55.600 It's a shithole where I came from.

00:44:57.240 Why do you think I got on the ocean on a raft or walked a thousand miles because I was living in paradise?

00:45:04.920 There are places that are shitty in this world and the immigrants know it. 1.00

00:45:09.240 And, you know, it's not corny or conservative to say that you should to acknowledge that you are lucky if you're living in this country at this moment in history.

00:45:21.620 Yeah.

00:45:22.560 Well, it was a different message at Morehouse.

00:45:24.400 Here it is.

00:45:24.900 Watch.

00:45:26.960 You start a college just as George Floyd was murdered.

00:45:32.260 And there was a reckoning on race.

00:45:34.520 It's natural to wonder if democracy you hear about actually works for you.

00:45:42.820 What is democracy?

00:45:45.260 If black men are being killed in the street, what is democracy?

00:45:49.440 You have to be ten times better than anyone else to get a fair shot.

00:45:52.460 Most of all, what does it mean, as we've heard before, to be a black man who loves his country, even if it doesn't love him back in equal measure?

00:46:05.020 Well, that's my commitment to you, to show you democracy, democracy, democracy is still the way.

00:46:15.860 If black men are being killed in the street, we bear witness.

00:46:19.160 For me, that means to call out the poison of white supremacy, root out systemic racism.

00:46:25.580 I stood up for George with George Floyd's family to help create a country.

00:46:32.020 We don't need to have that talk with your son or grandson as they get pulled over.

00:46:38.880 Oh, joy.

00:46:40.200 That's his vision of life as a black man in America.

00:46:42.900 Yeah, it's anachronistic.

00:46:44.340 Right.

00:46:44.940 See the one guy popping up from the back.

00:46:46.320 It was almost like he was like, what did you just say?

00:46:48.020 And it's not that there isn't still racism in this country, of course, and racist, just as there will always be criminals, there will always be racist.

00:46:56.660 And we should always be mindful of that and do what we can to call it out.

00:47:01.140 But it's a very different country than it was even 10 years ago.

00:47:06.660 And to be telling black students that you have to be 10 times better to get ahead, that's anachronistic.

00:47:16.580 That's not the case.

00:47:17.520 I mean, there are cases also.

00:47:21.400 I mean, there's certainly they've done studies on this where the same person goes in for a job who's black and white and the white person does get it more often.

00:47:30.160 They prove that.

00:47:31.560 So that still exists.

00:47:33.600 It's also true that there are places in this country where it's an advantage to be a person of color at this time or gay or anything other than white and male and straight.

00:47:44.720 I mean, I'm over 60, white, male and straight.

00:47:48.920 I better be good at my job.

00:47:50.180 Yeah.

00:47:50.600 Because they're always true.

00:47:52.320 You had a good run.

00:47:53.240 This is not somebody that they're trying to hire.

00:47:55.540 It's ridiculous to say that you love the country more than the country loves you back.

00:48:00.060 That's just not true.

00:48:01.080 What kind of a dark message is that?

00:48:02.560 That certainly has been true.

00:48:04.120 Right.

00:48:04.620 But we're not living in the 1940s anymore.

00:48:07.060 Exactly.

00:48:07.660 I'm saying, can we just live in the year we're living in?

00:48:10.880 Because that doesn't really reflect it.

00:48:12.820 And when they do studies of like young, like under 30 polling, black versus white, the black folks are more optimistic.

00:48:23.220 Yeah.

00:48:23.760 It's the white liberals who-

00:48:25.520 Don't you think this is the wrong message?

00:48:27.060 Oh, yes.

00:48:27.440 Factually wrong.

00:48:28.280 It is.

00:48:28.560 But politically, how do you sell yourself to a group of young black college graduates?

00:48:32.660 Is it by appealing to grievance, making them feel disempowered and like the country hates them?

00:48:37.420 Or is it something that would be empowering and uplifting and something great about them and America?

00:48:41.940 It's also not-

00:48:42.780 I mean, they know better than anybody the country they're actually living in.

00:48:45.900 I mean, to pretend that, as I think he was saying there, the talk, you know, which refers to being pulled over in cops.

00:48:57.660 I mean, are there racist cops?

00:48:58.920 Of course.

00:48:59.320 There will always be racist somebodies somewhere.

00:49:02.800 I mean, if you do polling, I think they've done it.

00:49:07.100 People are not accurate in their assessment of how many people get killed by the cops or shot by the cops.

00:49:13.420 I think about a thousand people, you know, it's either shot or killed.

00:49:18.700 I think it's just shot.

00:49:20.000 I think about a thousand people get shot by the cops a year in this country.

00:49:23.600 Now, in a country of 340 million people, a lot of whom are nuts and a lot of whom have guns.

00:49:31.260 Is that a lot?

00:49:32.520 I don't know.

00:49:33.420 It was when that whole thing went down in 2019, I think it was.

00:49:36.020 It was 19 or 18, but I think it was 19, right before George Floyd.

00:49:39.240 I think it was 10 million arrests and of all of those in the country.

00:49:46.560 Between 12 and 15 involved the shooting of unarmed black men, not 12 and 1500, 12 to 15, depending on how you interpret unarmed.

00:49:57.900 Some of the people who got shot by the cops had like come in, commandeered a car and tried to run down the police and they'd be counted as unarmed.

00:50:05.280 But that's out of 10 million arrests, 12 to 15 in the year preceding George Floyd.

00:50:10.760 But the way he's talking, right?

00:50:12.920 And by the way, the talk, didn't your parents have the talk with you?

00:50:15.360 Doesn't everyone, especially a young man, is told comply.

00:50:19.360 Come on.

00:50:19.660 It's different if you're black.

00:50:20.760 And it has been historically very different if you're black.

00:50:23.280 You can't really, really not contending that that's an equivalent.

00:50:28.020 When we were kids.

00:50:29.400 I think it's absurd to say that not everybody has the talk.

00:50:31.720 We're all afraid when we get pulled over by cops.

00:50:33.880 I'm not worried that I'm going to get shot in the way that I know some black men worry about.

00:50:38.620 But it's absurd to suggest that anybody who resisted arrest, especially a man with a cop who knows the stakes are high when he pulls them over, isn't going to be in danger.

00:50:47.240 OK, but I mean, if I got the talk, how old were you when you got the talk?

00:50:51.680 I was 14 in 1970.

00:50:54.400 It's preposterous to contend that in 1970, a white kid needed the talk as much as a black kid in this country.

00:51:01.420 That's OK, great.

00:51:04.040 But but also here's something that he would never say at a place like this or anywhere.

00:51:09.980 But there is a very big problem with young black men being shot and killed, but not by the cops.

00:51:17.380 Right.

00:51:17.520 They are the number of young black men compared to young white men who were killed.

00:51:23.580 It's something like 20 times.

00:51:26.260 Not allowed to talk about it.

00:51:27.540 They're not being killed by white supremacists.

00:51:30.500 They're being killed by each other.

00:51:33.160 And we've completely written it off as a society.

00:51:35.960 Well, to me, that's the most racist thing of all.

00:51:38.140 Yeah.

00:51:38.300 Is that and I've always said, where are the leaders of the community to talk about this?

00:51:44.280 I mean, I feel like there's so many people in the black community who are looked up to for good reason.

00:51:50.620 They're exemplars.

00:51:51.860 And I mean, a lot of the most famous celebrities and most admired are African-American.

00:51:57.840 I mean, if they if they made a concerted effort to try to implore the end of this kind of behavior, would it would it have no effect at all?

00:52:09.700 Because a lot of these shootings, I mean, some of it is the drug war.

00:52:13.480 If we would.

00:52:14.060 My thing about racism is always, can we just be practical?

00:52:16.720 I mean, John McWhorter writes about it better than anybody.

00:52:19.340 You know, schools, families and the drug war.

00:52:25.440 I mean, that's it.

00:52:26.460 So much of this is performative that we see on the left.

00:52:29.940 That's the stuff that I know.

00:52:31.260 McWhorter, Glenn Lowry.

00:52:32.920 Yes.

00:52:33.280 Of course, Thomas Sowell.

00:52:34.380 None of whom has a statue of them.

00:52:37.560 They're not heralded.

00:52:38.740 They're not held up as examples.

00:52:40.280 And they're not invited on MSNBC.

00:52:42.320 Never.

00:52:43.280 And they should be because.

00:52:45.120 They're kicked off.

00:52:45.980 Or Coleman Hughes.

00:52:47.200 Coleman Hughes.

00:52:47.940 Another one.

00:52:48.440 Yes, exactly.

00:52:49.800 And again, if you just ended the drug war, some of the shooting is that.

00:52:53.320 And some of it is just about really just just nonsensical, you know, feuds and beefs.

00:52:59.780 And you insulted me on social media.

00:53:03.100 And then obviously there's too many guns floating around.

00:53:06.760 But it just seems like so tragic and unnecessary that this amount of killing is going on and that we just seem to, again, ignore it and not talk about it and pretend it's all the cops.

00:53:19.320 And pretend we're doing something because we're over here saying, you know, this is the way we want you to refer up.

00:53:23.940 Capitalize the word B.

00:53:25.180 Now I feel better.

00:53:26.220 Right.

00:53:26.440 In black.

00:53:26.820 I find that I find that racist.

00:53:29.080 I want to ask you a couple of a couple of things.

00:53:30.780 First of all, I want to ask you about Stormy Daniels.

00:53:32.500 You had her on your show.

00:53:34.020 Yes.

00:53:34.540 A few years ago when she was first out with her story.

00:53:38.820 And then to your credit, you pointed out on your show that her testimony in this trial changed dramatically from then to now.

00:53:48.340 Do you think she's trying to paint herself as a fake Me Too victim now?

00:53:52.680 That's what it looked like.

00:53:53.640 I don't know if I would use the word dramatically, but it did shift.

00:53:56.300 I mean, she definitely she said in the trial, she said it again, kind of the same thing that she said on the show.

00:54:02.180 But she also talked about the incident in ways that she certainly hadn't back when I was interviewing her, that we used all the buzzwords of the Me Too movement of the power imbalance.

00:54:13.860 And I was afraid to leave and he blocked the door and I was afraid.

00:54:17.600 And then the thing that was so preposterous, I thought, was, you know, I blacked out.

00:54:21.960 She lost fingers in her feeling in her fingers and toes, Bill.

00:54:25.040 Well, I mean, as I said at the time, you know, this is someone who's not unused to having sex with strange people, not strange that they're people, just that they're strangers to you because she's a porn star.

00:54:36.740 So when you're a porn star, it's like, hi, meet Bob.

00:54:39.440 He's going to fuck you in two minutes. 1.00

00:54:40.860 OK, great.

00:54:42.040 Are we ready for wood?

00:54:43.200 Come on, people, we're losing the light that, you know.

00:54:46.720 So the idea that she would black out because this was such a traumatic experience was, to me, straining credulity.

00:54:54.160 But, you know, I didn't think they should have gone ahead with this trial to begin with.

00:54:57.780 I mean, first of all, it should have been an election interference trial brought by Merrick Garland.

00:55:02.220 I tore him a new asshole a couple of weeks ago because all these trials are probably not going to come to anything.

00:55:07.820 And they had four years to do it.

00:55:09.400 But it wound up being a trial about falsifying business records in state court.

00:55:15.580 And, you know, I don't know.

00:55:17.200 Do you think he's going to win it?

00:55:19.060 I don't think Trump is going to win it.

00:55:20.780 Really?

00:55:21.220 Yeah, because I think it was lost on jury selection.

00:55:23.560 It's New York.

00:55:24.160 It went 87 percent for Joe Biden.

00:55:25.720 Do you think 12 jurors are going to?

00:55:28.020 I mean, it's because if I if I had to put my 12, all 12 jurors, here's my thought.

00:55:33.820 They should not vote to convict because he definitely he's put on a great case.

00:55:37.780 The defense has put on a great case.

00:55:39.180 Just they really haven't put on much of a case at all.

00:55:41.200 But they've done enough to poke holes in Michael Cohen's testimony to win this case.

00:55:46.780 But I think they lost it on jury selection in the same way O.J. was lost on jury selection.

00:55:50.100 Let me ask you this, counselor.

00:55:51.260 Michael Cohen did serve prison time for doing this.

00:55:55.640 No, not for doing this.

00:55:56.420 That's the problem.

00:55:57.380 He served prison time for lying about taxes and his taxi medallion scheme.

00:56:02.300 And then at the last minute, they added on this this election interference or campaign finance violation.

00:56:09.120 And he said, sure, I did it.

00:56:10.380 I did that, too.

00:56:11.680 And but he that was never the bulk of the charges that was about to send him into prison with the raids on his house and all that.

00:56:17.420 That was an add on at the end.

00:56:18.620 That was not my interpretation of it.

00:56:22.140 I thought he went to jail because he was the fixer in this case.

00:56:26.720 They're trying to lead you to believe that bill.

00:56:28.700 You trust Andy McCarthy of National Review, for example, a very straight shooter.

00:56:32.220 He hates Trump like you do.

00:56:34.160 He's been pointing this out.

00:56:35.320 So many other legal.

00:56:37.080 I'll relook at it.

00:56:38.300 But in your defense, that's sort of how they're setting it up in this trial.

00:56:40.900 And that is what the jury has heard, too, what you just said.

00:56:43.920 So that's one of the reasons why I believe they probably will conclude he did it.

00:56:47.100 They're going to say, Cohen, he pleaded guilty to it.

00:56:50.100 Weisselberg, he's in jail.

00:56:51.380 Why is he in jail?

00:56:52.720 And they've been led like with a with a trail of breadcrumbs, I think, to probably the wrong conclusion.

00:56:58.560 But I do think it'll be reversed.

00:56:59.520 And how will it affect the election, if at all?

00:57:01.880 I don't think it will.

00:57:02.060 I don't think it will either.

00:57:03.260 Don't you think it's all been baked in at this point?

00:57:04.700 I do.

00:57:05.100 Absolutely.

00:57:05.980 I mean, look, to most people, it's just a sex case.

00:57:08.880 I did an editorial about this.

00:57:10.360 It's in the book also about I saw this movie when it was called Kill Bill, when they did it with Bill Clinton.

00:57:17.060 And people just do not like it when they go after presidents for their sex lives.

00:57:20.820 And the idea that Trump would be fucking a porn star at a golf charity event while his wife was home nursing their newborn is something we just assumed he would be doing.

00:57:34.260 Because, you know, again, you're the party of family values.

00:57:37.880 So it's it is, as you say, baked into the cake.

00:57:41.680 The only thing surprising was that.

00:57:43.140 For the record, Trump denies it.

00:57:46.480 But you don't really believe.

00:57:49.900 Here's my honest reaction.

00:57:51.140 You can't tell me you think he didn't fuck Stormy Daniel.

00:57:53.420 Let me tell you what I what I think that's going to really leading up to the trial.

00:57:56.820 I said many times he did it.

00:57:57.940 Let's face it.

00:57:58.480 He denies it for the record of the legal purposes.

00:58:01.200 He denies it.

00:58:02.060 But when I heard her do her, you know, dramatic reenactment of it all.

00:58:07.320 Now it's me, too.

00:58:08.120 No, no feeling in the fingers.

00:58:09.880 I blacked out.

00:58:11.180 I felt threatened because he was sitting on the bed when I came out of the bathroom and I couldn't get to the door.

00:58:16.820 He was sitting on the bed.

00:58:17.760 That's called leaving the hotel room.

00:58:19.080 We've all done that.

00:58:19.800 Like you just walk around the bed and you walk out the door.

00:58:21.740 No, I mean, I started to doubt her story.

00:58:23.900 I started to wonder whether this whole thing was some sort of a shakedown.

00:58:27.520 If I had to put money on it, I'd say they had sex.

00:58:29.520 But I don't believe anything past that.

00:58:32.060 Well, that's silly.

00:58:33.460 I mean, there's no good people.

00:58:35.080 You're so pejorative.

00:58:35.860 What do you mean?

00:58:36.940 I've been watching this trial very carefully and I've been dismissive of your lack of doubt.

00:58:41.980 This is my opinion based on what I saw in 10 years of cross-examining people.

00:58:46.020 She's a liar. 0.97

00:58:47.400 That doesn't mean he didn't fuck her.

00:58:49.380 OK, yes, both things are true.

00:58:51.240 I mean, it's like saying, you know, O.J. Simpson, were the police corrupt or did he kill his wife?

00:58:56.580 Both.

00:58:57.680 Both.

00:58:58.040 I used to say, you know, the cops are so inept, they could not frame a guilty man.

00:59:03.580 The cops did a bad job and he killed his wife.

00:59:06.360 All right.

00:59:06.560 So what do you and Stormy Daniels is a horrible witness. 1.00

00:59:09.780 And so was Michael Cohen.

00:59:10.880 There's no good people in this trial.

00:59:12.420 And he fucked her at that golf tournament. 1.00

00:59:14.100 That's just who he was.

00:59:15.480 I mean, come on.

00:59:16.820 Last but not least, Cohen and you have had some past interactions, right?

00:59:21.040 Did he threaten you?

00:59:22.120 I think when you and Trump had your...

00:59:24.020 No, no, no.

00:59:24.480 He, what he, when, when I, when Trump sued me for calling, this is just so stupid.

00:59:31.380 This is back in the birthergate controversy.

00:59:33.180 Maureen Dowd wrote about it yesterday in the Times.

00:59:36.440 In 2013, Trump sued me because, what was it?

00:59:42.480 Because he offered five million for Obama's birth certificate.

00:59:45.440 No, no.

00:59:45.860 And then you offered five million to see proof that he wasn't the child of an orangutan.

00:59:50.160 Yes, but actually, what he offered, that was one detail I think they got wrong.

00:59:55.640 The five million dollars he had offered was for Obama to produce his college records.

01:00:01.420 Because, you know, a black guy in college, that's kind of fishy, huh? 1.00

01:00:05.080 Oh, boy.

01:00:06.120 So, yes, Donald Trump offered five million dollars.

01:00:10.280 So I thought I would offer him five million dollars if he could prove.

01:00:13.720 When we showed the picture, he does look exactly like that orangutan.

01:00:16.900 The color of the hair was exactly the same.

01:00:18.960 If you saw the picture, you know what I'm talking about.

01:00:22.100 And so I offered him five million dollars.

01:00:24.520 And then they came to court and produced the birth certificate to prove that he was actually not the son of an orangutan.

01:00:32.460 Not that that's even possible.

01:00:34.160 I mean, we are of different species.

01:00:36.060 The definition of a species is you can't have sex with the femininity. 0.98

01:00:39.420 Well, sex.

01:00:40.640 No, no.

01:00:41.200 I mean, that's why.

01:00:41.740 You can't reproduce.

01:00:42.780 You can't reproduce.

01:00:43.440 But they don't they're not interested in.

01:00:45.280 I mean, the jaguars and tigers, they look kind of alike, but they don't fuck each other.

01:00:49.520 But he did fuck Stormy Daniels. 1.00

01:00:51.080 Oh, God.

01:00:52.800 All right, Bill Maher, I got to let you go.

01:00:54.560 Thank you.

01:00:54.940 Any last thoughts on what the solutions are to that?

01:00:57.120 How do we come back together?

01:00:58.520 Are we going to we're going to land the plane?

01:01:00.300 The country stays together.

01:01:01.460 We find a way past the harsh partisan bullshit.

01:01:04.040 I mean, I don't know.

01:01:06.300 I mean, like I say, I think the rubber hits the road next January because if he wins, he wins.

01:01:12.760 He's never going to give up power.

01:01:14.220 You can't really believe that.

01:01:15.480 I definitely believe he will give up power.

01:01:17.580 But he didn't last time.

01:01:19.020 You think he's going to you think in 2028 he's going to say, well, two terms.

01:01:24.400 That's the that's what the Constitution says.

01:01:26.460 I'm gone.

01:01:27.560 Of course not.

01:01:28.680 He's going to stay on as long as he can.

01:01:30.880 He'll make up some excuse.

01:01:31.960 He doesn't care.

01:01:32.620 He's never read the Constitution.

01:01:34.180 He doesn't care what's in it.

01:01:35.360 It's only about power and who wins and he will never leave.

01:01:39.060 He's already said many times, I think we deserve a third term because, you know, we were cheated

01:01:43.700 out of the one that he's not serving right now.

01:01:46.160 So he will never give up power.

01:01:47.840 So there's the end of America as we know it.

01:01:50.440 And if Biden wins again, he will.

01:01:52.740 I mean, this country will fall apart because his his rabble won't accept it and he won't accept 1.00

01:01:57.420 it.

01:01:58.060 I mean, there's no solution except cholesterol.

01:02:00.200 And watching real time.

01:02:03.120 Right.

01:02:03.440 And buying this book.

01:02:04.780 It's called.

01:02:05.560 It's actually very the funniest book ever, I think.

01:02:09.060 And lots of people have said the same thing.

01:02:11.060 So I know it sounds like, you know, because we're tussling that it's all serious, but it's

01:02:16.040 actually very funny.

01:02:16.880 It is very funny.

01:02:17.620 And I hope people enjoy it.

01:02:19.480 And look, I appreciate you going toe to toe because I think that's what people have to

01:02:25.760 do.

01:02:26.160 And it sometimes does get to a point where you get exasperated with each other.

01:02:30.780 But, you know, as I say at the end, America is a family.

01:02:34.300 And the definition of a family is understanding that, you know, you're with people who you may

01:02:39.700 not like, but it doesn't come to violence.

01:02:41.840 Yeah.

01:02:42.300 Well, I have to say, Bill, you've always been very gracious to me.

01:02:45.020 You've had me on the show a couple of times.

01:02:46.400 I'm a fan.

01:02:47.140 I mean, you're, you're, you're super smart.

01:02:49.660 You know, what we all have to get over is being, talking with someone who you can be

01:02:56.280 like, oh, I'm so in agreeance on, agreeance, agreement on this and this and this and this

01:03:01.860 and on this one, I think they're insane.

01:03:04.040 Yeah.

01:03:04.440 But we got four out of five.

01:03:06.060 Yes.

01:03:06.380 Honestly, it's like, why, there shouldn't be a limitless test.

01:03:10.040 Like, I love him, except he hates Trump.

01:03:12.280 So I have to hit him.

01:03:13.000 It's like, so you disagree with him on that.

01:03:14.760 Okay, that's fine.

01:03:15.440 That's, that's how the world goes forward.

01:03:18.400 But I would, I would hope when Trump doesn't relinquish power and this country, and when

01:03:23.980 this country does not resemble the one that we've grown up in, I would hope that you would

01:03:28.540 be able to acknowledge that.

01:03:30.680 And if he, and if he does relinquish power, uh, or it doesn't try to, um, then I'm going

01:03:36.720 to play this clip too.

01:03:37.540 Then, then I will absolutely on my show say I was wrong and she was right. 0.96

01:03:42.060 Either way, I'll have you back and you can take a victory lap or you have me back and

01:03:45.680 I'll take a victory lap.

01:03:46.620 Either way, we'll make it happen.

01:03:47.580 Thank you.

01:03:48.040 Good luck with the book and everything.

01:03:49.100 I appreciate it.

01:03:49.820 All the best, Bill.

01:03:50.340 Don't forget.

01:03:50.820 It's called What This Comedian Said.

01:03:52.340 Good Father's Day, President.

01:03:54.120 Yes.

01:03:54.580 You have plenty of time.

01:03:55.440 Father's Day coming up.

01:03:56.620 Available now.

01:03:57.660 See you tomorrow.

01:03:58.200 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. 0.94

01:04:02.020 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - June 17, 2024

＂Hillary Was the OG Election Denier!＂｜ Bill Maher x Megyn Kelly - The FULL Interview

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The Megyn Kelly Show - June 17, 2024

＂Hillary Was the OG Election Denier!＂ ｜ Bill Maher x Megyn Kelly - The FULL Interview

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＂Hillary Was the OG Election Denier!＂｜ Bill Maher x Megyn Kelly - The FULL Interview