The Megyn Kelly Show - Horrific Buffalo Shooting Gets Grossly Politicized, with Brandon Tatum, Christian Walker, and Devin Nunes ｜ Ep. 322

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00:00:30.980 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:33.140 Your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:42.080 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.460 Our hearts are heavy this Monday morning, as yet again an American community is in mourning,

00:00:50.580 thanks to a madman who decided to take out his hate on innocent people doing the most mundane and routine of tasks, grocery shopping.

00:00:58.300 It had been a beautiful, sunny Saturday afternoon in Buffalo, New York. 0.77

00:01:02.900 Women at the Topps store to buy dinner for their families. 1.00

00:01:06.340 A retired police officer working security.

00:01:09.180 When an 18-year-old, who was known to authorities, opened fire outside the store,

00:01:13.040 first killing three people.

00:01:15.100 That former cop we mentioned, 55-year-old Aaron Salter, jumped into action and opened fire in defense of others.

00:01:23.120 He was unable to take out the gunman, however, who was wearing body armor.

00:01:27.500 Salter was killed and died a hero.

00:01:29.580 Inside the store, people started running for their lives.

00:01:33.380 Can you imagine the terror? 0.96

00:01:35.080 Can you imagine just trying to shop for your groceries and some lunatic is in there trying to kill you and your children?

00:01:40.380 A dad hiding with his eight-year-old daughter in a freezer to escape the gunfire.

00:01:45.120 65-year-old Celestine Chaney was there with her sister, looking to pick up some shrimp for her husband and strawberries because she wanted to make strawberry shortcake. 1.00

00:01:54.580 As the bullets started flying, she and her sister ran.

00:01:57.400 Her sister made it out, but Celestine, a grandmother of six, did not.

00:02:02.020 When it was all over, ten people were dead.

00:02:05.780 Three others hurt.

00:02:07.100 Nearly all of the victims were black, many of them seniors. 0.83

00:02:11.420 This guy was shooting down elderly people. 1.00

00:02:13.600 He was a total coward. 0.98

00:02:16.260 Their families are now planning funerals far too early as their brokenhearted community kneels in prayer. 0.99

00:02:23.220 Little children spotted near this door holding hands as they walked down the street.

00:02:27.460 Their innocence lost.

00:02:28.700 Look at this picture.

00:02:29.500 If you're just listening, go check it out on YouTube.

00:02:32.020 And just remember, it's at the two-minute mark of the show.

00:02:34.300 Wow, you need to see this.

00:02:36.680 It's five little children holding hands just walking down the street together,

00:02:40.340 linked in support of one another, of their community.

00:02:44.980 One police officer seen bending down behind the crime scene taped to talk with young children outside the store.

00:02:52.040 It's hard to see, but the little girl's shirt reads,

00:02:55.380 Love All Beings.

00:02:56.900 Oh, my God, it's horrific.

00:02:59.100 That is just horrific.

00:03:00.040 We will not be naming the shooter on this program consistent with our policy of not naming mass shooters who in part are out for infamy and we decline to help.

00:03:09.900 He's pleaded not guilty, but he also left behind a trove of information, including a 180-page manifesto filled with racist and anti-Semitic commentary.

00:03:21.880 The shooter was white, detailing how and why he picked his target.

00:03:26.480 Some in the media have been quick to point fingers and even place blame on our friend and very popular Fox News host, Tucker Carlson.

00:03:36.040 It's outrageous.

00:03:37.100 It's wrong, both factually and morally.

00:03:40.200 Why do we have to go to that place immediately on these stories? 0.99

00:03:44.680 Why can't we spend two fucking minutes mourning the people who are dead and trying to understand that we have insane people in this country? 1.00

00:03:52.640 We have lunatics. 1.00

00:03:54.200 It's a huge country. 1.00

00:03:56.640 We're not going to be able to get rid of them all.

00:03:59.580 It infuriates me.

00:04:01.020 People have to inject their politics into everything.

00:04:03.520 And this guy had a racist manifesto.

00:04:05.380 There's no question that doesn't make it Tucker Carlson's fault.

00:04:08.120 Just stop it.

00:04:09.420 Just stop it. 0.98

00:04:11.760 There's the lunatic over at Rolling Stone. 0.99

00:04:14.060 Her headline. 0.93

00:04:14.660 This is this is a person who wrote for the New Yorker and was fired for wrongly claiming that an ice worker had a Nazi tattoo on his arm.

00:04:23.980 In fact, it was his platoon's sign from when he served our nation honorably in Afghanistan, trying to protect this lunatic so-called journalist who then tried to defame him when he went on to work for ICE.

00:04:38.300 This woman now or in between she worked for Media Matters.

00:04:41.340 Now she works for Rolling Stone, publishing a piece today, the headline of which was the Buffalo shooter isn't a lone wolf.

00:04:47.980 He's a mainstream Republican.

00:04:49.860 And yet, if you read the shooter's own words, he actually hated Fox News and he hated conservatism.

00:04:59.300 But apparently that doesn't fit with the narrative these people want to sell.

00:05:03.900 Let's bring in Brandon Tatum, a former police officer and host of The Officer Tatum Show and podcast.

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00:05:43.460 Brandon, welcome to the show.

00:05:45.140 Sorry to start with the profanity.

00:05:46.420 It's just so infuriating to me that the death of these good people immediately has to be turned into a political cudgel.

00:05:54.440 Immediately.

00:05:55.060 Your thoughts on all of it.

00:05:56.840 Yeah, man.

00:05:57.200 And I see why you're very upset.

00:05:59.260 And I think most people in this country that are rational are extremely upset.

00:06:02.500 I watched the video that he live streamed because I wanted to see exactly what happened.

00:06:07.940 It was the biggest display of evilness and disconnect from human society that I've ever seen in my life.

00:06:15.260 And to see people coming out instead of saying, look, this is a problem.

00:06:20.820 This individual was deranged.

00:06:22.880 This is unacceptable in our country.

00:06:24.400 We pray for the families that have lost their loved ones who are just shopping at a grocery store because a person wants to be a lunatic and take his own ideologies and take them personal against people that have nothing to do with what he's saying.

00:06:36.240 Instead of them having the condolences for those family members, they want to make it about politics.

00:06:43.020 There is no other person on planet Earth that's responsible for what happened in Buffalo but the person who pulled the trigger on that gun.

00:06:52.620 And I don't want to hear from either side about who's more responsible than who is.

00:06:56.700 It is wrong for someone to do that to innocent people and to do that in general, to murder people based on the difference of ideologies.

00:07:05.140 And I think it's shameful.

00:07:07.480 And these Democrats, they are looking for opportunities to make a rift between people so that they can leverage votes in the midterms and in the 2024 election.

00:07:19.300 I'm almost confident that that's what they're doing.

00:07:22.100 They want this to be about gun laws.

00:07:24.440 Buffalo has one of the, at least New York has one of the strictest, they have some of the strictest gun laws that I have ever seen.

00:07:31.960 But that's not going to stop a person who's a criminal.

00:07:34.060 No, restricting guns from law-abided citizens is not the solution to the problem. 0.51

00:07:38.660 Blaming white people and claiming white supremacy as the leading cause of issues in our country is not going to fix the issue.

00:07:46.560 They are just funneling lies and propaganda. 0.52

00:07:49.700 If you look at any statistical data, if you want to go to the data, it appears to me that minority groups like Asians and black people are disproportionately represented in mass shootings. 0.55

00:08:00.220 They don't want to talk about that.

00:08:01.700 To me, in this situation, it's not relevant.

00:08:04.400 But if you want to bring out talking points and facts, then give us the whole story.

00:08:09.560 They won't tell you that in the manifesto, the kid had declared that he was not a Republican.

00:08:14.620 He declared that he did not agree with many things that Republicans are talking about.

00:08:18.040 He was not a Christian. 0.99

00:08:19.440 He did not believe in God.

00:08:21.780 But they don't want us to believe that.

00:08:23.620 They don't want you to know that.

00:08:24.740 And I think it's shameful.

00:08:26.800 No, he called himself, he calls himself a left-wing authoritarian and, quote, a populist.

00:08:34.100 He says, on the political compass, I fall in the mild to moderate authoritarian left, and I would prefer to be called a populist.

00:08:42.980 He spoke passionately of, this is quoting from Glenn Greenwald, who has gone through the manifesto word for word.

00:08:48.840 He spoke passionately on the centrality and necessity of environmentalism, lamented that the state has long since heavily lost to its corporate backers,

00:08:58.540 ranted against corporate profits and the ever-increasing wealth of the 1% that exploit the people for their own benefit,

00:09:05.120 vehemently rejected any admiration for political conservatism, but made clear he viewed it as an enemy to his agenda.

00:09:12.340 Conservatism is corporatism in disguise.

00:09:14.360 I want no part of it.

00:09:15.560 And yet, within an hour of the news of this murder spree in Buffalo, still going off of Glenn here,

00:09:22.400 the media was blaming it on Tucker Carlson before anybody had even had a chance to read this manifesto.

00:09:30.180 Now, here's what we know.

00:09:32.160 He did believe in something called the Great Replacement Theory.

00:09:36.980 And he acknowledged that this is his research from the Internet.

00:09:42.480 He was not a Tucker Carlson fan.

00:09:44.360 We don't even have any proof whatsoever he'd ever seen a Tucker Carlson show or even knew who he was.

00:09:49.700 None. Zero.

00:09:51.400 OK, that's what people need to remember as the media tries to blame this on Tucker.

00:09:55.720 But he he did believe in something called the Great Replacement Theory.

00:09:59.840 We can talk about this.

00:10:00.960 We can get into what that is.

00:10:02.100 He attributes his teachers on it to these other white supremacists overseas.

00:10:07.140 The shooter in Christchurch, New Zealand in 2019, who killed dozens at a summer camp.

00:10:12.980 I'm sorry, who killed many at a mosque and then another who killed many at a summer camp in Norway.

00:10:19.180 Anyway, he said he's been radicalized entirely by the Internet.

00:10:24.140 All right.

00:10:24.440 And that he's been inspired by somebody like Bretton Tarrant, some guy who's a white supremacist who live streamed himself.

00:10:30.740 That's the one murdering 51 Muslims at a mosque in Christchurch, New Zealand.

00:10:34.860 OK, so he said that guy radicalized him the most.

00:10:37.400 He went on to list other mass shootings that inspired him.

00:10:41.080 So my experience with these cases, Brandon, and I don't purport to be an expert in mental health or law enforcement like you.

00:10:49.080 But my experience in these cases is people who want to commit mass shootings will find whatever excuse necessary.

00:10:54.620 They're not mentally well.

00:10:57.160 And our system is terrible at even once we've red flagged these people, finding a way to deprive them of their civil liberties for a temporary basis so we can figure out what to do with them so they don't unleash more hell on society.

00:11:11.300 And this guy, indeed, one year ago, June 8th, 2021, police were called to his high school in Conklin, New York, and they had him brought in, I guess, for a mental health evaluation.

00:11:22.640 And then nothing was done. We don't know why he spent a day and a half at the hospital.

00:11:27.360 He was released. We had no further contract with law enforcement thereafter.

00:11:31.740 But my take on this is there are lunatics in this country.

00:11:35.900 We can try to red flag them. We should be much more liberal with civil confinement while we figure out just how big a danger they are to society.

00:11:43.220 But they're motivated by all sorts of things. And to try to blame this on a television host is also insane.

00:11:49.880 These people are deranged. I don't think any. Now, both people are deranged. 0.93

00:11:55.780 You have the people who are trying to blame Tucker Carlson, which he's never promoted violence.

00:11:59.760 If anything, he always says speaks about not participating in violence and no rational person thinks that anyone on television should be directly responsible. 0.72

00:12:10.260 But these individuals that are like the one who did the shooting in Buffalo, they are extremely mentally deranged. 0.61

00:12:18.300 There is something really wrong with them.

00:12:20.140 They have not connected with humans in society in a way in which that's meaningful, because, like I said, I watched the video.

00:12:27.160 And for a person to go out and shoot people in the way he did, he has no connection to human life.

00:12:32.620 And to read his manifesto, and I read large portions of it, I'm going to try to finish reading the rest of it today.

00:12:38.500 But, you know, he's disconnected with reality. His thought process is not normal.

00:12:44.560 And I'm not trying to blame his parents 100 percent, but you would you would think as a parent myself that you have a responsibility to monitor your child

00:12:54.440 and know when there's something off with your kid, when you look at him or you challenge him on some things, you try to hold him accountable.

00:13:02.440 And he has a glazed over eyes and he's playing video games that are I would argue he's probably playing video games that are very violent,

00:13:10.700 given the fact that he has no tactical experience in the way he was operating, you know.

00:13:15.440 But as a parent, you have to monitor your children. You owe it to society to make sure your kid is OK.

00:13:20.600 Why is your child threatening to shoot up a school that don't just come from nowhere?

00:13:26.240 A kid is not growing up completely normal, have no issues.

00:13:30.120 And then because he looks at the Internet once or twice, somehow he's OK with murdering innocent people driving three hours across town

00:13:38.400 and still have the mentality that he's going to go through with it.

00:13:41.360 That is a perpetuation of behavioral issues growing up that were exacerbated, in my opinion,

00:13:49.320 probably during the 2020 period where kids were shut down, not being able to go to school and being able to be on the Internet more often than they should have been.

00:13:57.120 So I think that there's a lot of blame to go around, isolated blame for him for pulling the trigger.

00:14:03.000 But there's somewhat vicarious responsibility from people like parents and authorities who have had contact with him,

00:14:11.360 who have already been warned that he was a dangerous individual.

00:14:15.940 And this is not the first time this has happened.

00:14:18.500 Many of these active shooters have already been in connection with FBI.

00:14:23.440 Most of them, most of them have had some sort of dealings with either police, law enforcement or school authorities who have marked them as a potential problem.

00:14:31.920 This kid at the issue in June of twenty twenty one was not issuing racist threats at his school,

00:14:38.420 nor threats directed at a specific person or place.

00:14:42.040 However, law enforcement told the Associated Press that this shooter, who was then 17,

00:14:47.960 had threatened to shoot up Pennsylvania's Susquehanna High School around the time of graduation.

00:14:54.240 OK, so it wasn't a race based thing.

00:14:56.260 It was just he wanted to shoot a bunch of people a year ago.

00:14:59.400 Then he spends time on the Internet, obviously, following these mass shootings, which were racially motivated and finds new inspiration to kill a different group of innocent people.

00:15:09.420 We can talk about all of it.

00:15:11.360 We can talk about race, great replacement theory.

00:15:13.300 We can talk about the fact that there is there there are white supremacists in the United States.

00:15:17.220 We're not unique in that. 0.94

00:15:18.820 We do have some here without casting this huge, wide net to encompass all Republicans like the lunatic from Rolling Stone says, you know,

00:15:28.800 even Liz Cheney is out there today tweeting about her own party, like somehow the GOP is to blame for this.

00:15:35.040 It's so deeply wrong. 0.68

00:15:36.920 And if you did this, you know, look what happened in Waukesha, where a black man mowed down all these old, older people, these marching grannies. 0.90

00:15:46.600 They went by. 0.97

00:15:47.280 They were white.

00:15:48.140 It was shortly after the Kyle Rittenhouse verdict.

00:15:50.740 And he had very anti-white and anti-Semitic postings online.

00:15:55.380 The media totally ignored it.

00:15:57.140 No problem.

00:15:57.740 They only do this one way, Brandon.

00:15:59.300 And it is to push their own political agenda, which is part of the reason why we never make progress on what's really driving these things.

00:16:08.500 A thousand percent.

00:16:09.540 I mean, that's that's why I think it's invaluable.

00:16:11.640 And I know they've scraped it from the Internet.

00:16:13.580 It's very hard to see it somewhat.

00:16:15.580 If you are an intelligent person and you want to get to the bottom of and find solutions, you may want to read to a certain degree this person's manifesto to see, to get insight on what is in the minds of this young man.

00:16:27.040 And are these issues that are perpetuated in other young men?

00:16:32.180 What are the issues that are going on?

00:16:34.120 And address those.

00:16:34.800 If you are just sitting and saying Tucker Carson is the issue, that's not going to stop the next kid from doing what he's doing, what this guy did.

00:16:41.240 It's not going to stop anything.

00:16:42.620 And if you are just doing this for political expediency, you're not accomplishing anything. 0.99

00:16:48.140 And Liz Cheney and these cowardice Republicans, they are the biggest cowards I've ever seen in my life. 0.99

00:16:54.020 There are no better than these deranged leftist Democrats when you are sitting here and you know the truth. 1.00

00:17:00.160 Liz knows the truth. 0.99

00:17:01.740 She's she's not that, you know, ignorant, but you're pushing an agenda to to gain favor in an election season. 1.00

00:17:09.900 Yes, that's all that this is. And Democrats specifically, because I think they do this the worst, they need to tone down their rhetoric, especially lies and propaganda that they're pushing out there. 0.89

00:17:24.900 When you get on television, I know people may not like to hear me say this, but when you get on television and you consistently talk about white people as if they're the enemy of our country,

00:17:36.520 I found that fathers are not right in the eyes of Democrats, police officers are racist in the eyes of Democrats.

00:17:43.780 Every white person has some level of white privilege, which puts them at an advantage over every black person in America. 0.57

00:17:50.460 According to the Democrats, they do want to push that white people get pushed away from mainstream society. 0.97

00:17:57.160 And when you continue to push this crazy rhetoric, not saying it's 100 percent their fault, but you better watch out for these lunatics that take that. 0.90

00:18:07.040 And let me add this point to just like the dude in Waukesha.

00:18:11.700 I forget. I hope I'm not saying it wrong in an individual in Dallas that shot up those police officers, murdered them in cold blood, only shooting white police officers. 0.51

00:18:21.500 You know, the rhetoric that's being spewed that black people are under attack and that the white man is holding us back and we are no better off today than we were in slavery.

00:18:35.040 That rhetoric, too, builds hatred and animosity within people and caused them to be radicalized.

00:18:41.860 I think that the radical gentleman and I won't call him a gentleman. 0.98

00:18:46.180 He's a he's an evil thug. The guy in Buffalo, I would argue that the divisive behavior and radicalization comes from some of the things that are being spewed.

00:18:58.060 Some of the hatred rhetoric, some of it. I'm not saying that all of it are a majority of it, but some of that is coming from what these Democrats are spewing.

00:19:06.200 And it's not based in truth. It's based in lies and hatred.

00:19:08.880 He he actually had reportedly the names of one of the victims who was mowed down in Waukesha on his gun.

00:19:19.840 So, I mean, who knows what this what this guy, what his real motivation was?

00:19:24.280 I want to know more about what he wanted to do in June of twenty twenty one.

00:19:27.660 And I realize it was very focused on race and he was an anti-Semite as well by the time he walked into that Buffalo grocery store.

00:19:35.040 But we're not doing ourselves any favors by pretending this is the fault of a cable news host.

00:19:39.220 The same is we didn't do ourselves any favors by if to the extent anybody thought Rachel Maddow was to blame for the Bernie Sanders supporter who went and shot Steve Scalise and four others.

00:19:50.440 Even though that guy specifically said, unlike this guy, he was obsessed with Rachel Maddow.

00:19:54.940 He loved her show. He was a huge fan. Right.

00:19:57.500 So he he was listening to all of her narratives about the GOP.

00:20:00.540 And then he went up and shot a bunch of Republicans on a baseball field.

00:20:03.520 That wasn't her fault. That was not her fault.

00:20:06.220 This is not the fault of Tucker Carlson, who I don't know what they're the people he followed, the shooter in this case overseas, believed in something called a great replacement theory that was about white people panicking that there are too many people of color being brought into.

00:20:23.280 Could it be Europe? Could be the United States, whatever country they were in, and that black people were going to outnumber white people. 0.92

00:20:29.840 And so there was a panic of trying to or could be Muslims. It didn't have to be black people. 1.00

00:20:33.060 And so that's what they use is the great replacement theory.

00:20:36.300 That is that is not at all what Tucker Carlson talks about on his show.

00:20:41.780 He he's pro-America first. He doesn't care whether you're black.

00:20:45.140 He doesn't care whether you're white. Doesn't care whether you're Muslim. 0.98

00:20:47.220 He's pro-America first. And he doesn't like illegal immigration, which is a totally mainstream Republican position used to be a mainstream Democrat position, too.

00:20:55.420 I asked him about some of this blowback when he came on my show last September.

00:21:00.520 Here's a bit of our exchange.

00:21:03.060 So the great replacement theory is, in fact, not a theory.

00:21:06.560 It's something that the Democrats brag about constantly up to and including the president.

00:21:10.420 And in one sentence, it's this.

00:21:13.200 Rather than convince the current population that our policies are working and they should vote for us as a result, we can't be bothered to do that.

00:21:21.120 We're instead going to change the composition of the population and bring in people who will vote for us.

00:21:28.180 So that's there isn't actually inherently a racial component to it.

00:21:33.040 And obviously, I'm not going to stop saying it because they're saying it.

00:21:36.540 They've written books about it and monographs and endless number of speeches.

00:21:40.800 You know, immigration will make this a more democratic country.

00:21:44.780 OK, that's what they believe.

00:21:45.780 That was Teddy.

00:21:46.320 That was Teddy Kennedy's motive in passing the 1965 immigration law was to change the composition of the country.

00:21:53.300 And I just think that that's anti-democratic.

00:21:56.340 American citizens should control their government and they do it by voting.

00:22:00.100 And if you dilute their voting power with immigration, you are undermining democracy by definition. 0.98

00:22:06.740 Political immigration.

00:22:08.660 That's what he's talking about.

00:22:09.820 He's not talking.

00:22:11.080 He's this isn't.

00:22:12.360 But the media tries to get him.

00:22:14.460 They try to get him by saying, oh, it's it's like a sister.

00:22:17.460 You know, his argument is like a sister of what those mass shooters pursued.

00:22:22.540 And therefore, this is his fault, even though there's absolutely no tie between Tucker and this shooter that the shooter, as far as we know, couldn't stand Fox News and didn't even know who Tucker was.

00:22:32.960 Right.

00:22:33.500 I think that what they do is they strategically conflate a few different things and therefore they can find consistency wherever they want to plagiarize consistency in what anybody says.

00:22:43.620 You know, I do. I personally think that there's an attack on white, straight men in this country. 0.54

00:22:48.500 Does that mean that you're supposed to go out and kill people? 0.95

00:22:51.200 No, nobody's even alluding to that.

00:22:53.280 It's being aware of an issue.

00:22:54.820 And then you use your vote and you go out and run for office and do things that you think can make it make a difference.

00:23:00.360 It is clear that they're trying to influx a different voting class into the United States of America through illegal immigration. 0.72

00:23:05.920 Because when you see that black people in this country are falling away from the Democrat Party at the numbers in which we've seen over the last several years throughout Donald Trump's administration, they are panicking politically.

00:23:22.100 And that's why when they go out to run for office or they have the presidential debate, they're starting to speak in Spanish.

00:23:27.140 What are you speaking in Spanish for?

00:23:28.620 That's not that's not the language in the United States of America.

00:23:30.760 And to be honest, if people only speak Spanish and they don't know English, they're not they're watching Telemundo.

00:23:35.260 They're not watching a regular TV program that you speak Spanish for three seconds.

00:23:39.860 You know, so it's clear that they don't care about people at the border.

00:23:43.700 This is a fact.

00:23:44.900 They don't care that kids are getting trafficked. 0.99

00:23:46.760 They don't care that women are getting raped. 1.00

00:23:48.320 They don't care that people are getting left in the desert by coyotes whom are paid to bring people over to our country. 0.96

00:23:53.780 They don't care.

00:23:55.140 They want them to come here to America. 1.00

00:23:57.180 They're willing to extract resources from the American citizens and our tax dollars to support these individuals with the hopes that one day they'll be able to grant massive citizenship to all of these people.

00:24:09.300 And in return, they'll get votes.

00:24:11.940 That's exactly what they're doing.

00:24:13.640 They've turned away from the minority vote in the black community.

00:24:17.320 I believe they've turned away from it.

00:24:19.080 They pander here and there.

00:24:20.240 They get Kamala, cackling Kamala Harris in there. 0.88

00:24:22.420 And they go down to Buffalo to I don't know what they're going to do down there.

00:24:28.000 Oh, yeah.

00:24:28.380 No, Joe Biden's on his way.

00:24:29.580 He's going to Waukesha.

00:24:30.800 I'm sorry.

00:24:31.120 He's going to Buffalo.

00:24:31.780 He did not go to Waukesha.

00:24:33.100 He did.

00:24:33.640 He did not go to Waukesha, Wisconsin, when the dancing grandmothers got mowed down.

00:24:38.400 And that headline on CNN was car car attacks parade goers.

00:24:43.880 Not a black man who had written anti-white posts online and anti-Semitic posts online attacking white people because when it's that way, race has nothing to do with it. 0.62

00:24:53.180 Right. 0.91

00:24:53.600 Joe Biden didn't feel the need to go there. 1.00

00:24:56.480 And now you have a white man intentionally killing black people. 0.99

00:24:59.480 And for sure, he said race had something to do with it. 1.00

00:25:02.080 I get it.

00:25:02.580 But the total knee jerk need to ignore race when it's the one way and make it all about race when it's the other is obvious to all of us.

00:25:10.360 That's why Joe Biden's going there.

00:25:11.660 He sees an electoral opportunity.

00:25:13.980 And make it this weird thing that, you know, it's crazy how instantaneously they've validated this manifesto because as soon as the shooting happened, there's emerged this manifesto and they they validated it.

00:25:29.900 And in my opinion, initially, I was like, how do they know this is even real?

00:25:34.200 How do they know this is not something somebody did recreated on his behalf?

00:25:38.340 How do we not understand that?

00:25:39.840 I mean, that's actually a very interesting point because they I've been through enough terrorist attacks here in the United States where it's committed by a Muslim man where they spend days before they'll say it's real. 0.99

00:25:52.320 You know, this hateful document that he posted in justification of his actions.

00:25:56.400 They're so careful.

00:25:57.720 Right.

00:25:58.200 When it's when that's the profile.

00:25:59.600 But now it's like, hey, definitely him.

00:26:01.460 Here you go.

00:26:02.100 Now, I just want to show the audience what we're talking about, because there's such a wide smattering.

00:26:06.600 I mean, this morning, every morning I listen to conservative news podcasts and liberal news podcasts to make sure no one's corrupting my brain.

00:26:13.700 I don't want to be manipulated by anybody.

00:26:15.800 And so I do put myself through the NPR up first podcast every morning.

00:26:20.500 And they mentioned Tucker.

00:26:22.040 They were like and to their credit, they mentioned that there was absolutely no link in the manifesto to Tucker or saying the guy was a fan, but they blamed it on him.

00:26:29.600 They quoted media matters.

00:26:30.700 They said it's basically a political argument that's been, you know, it's very dangerous for him to be making this in Fox News.

00:26:36.700 And they were not alone.

00:26:37.680 I'll give you a couple of the examples before I play the soundbite.

00:26:40.840 CNN's Abby Phillip calls out Tucker and Fox News.

00:26:43.220 If you watch Fox News, this is the mainstay of their primetime hours.

00:26:46.300 Tucker discusses it sometimes in euphemistic form, but not really all that euphemistic.

00:26:51.220 Representative Adam Schiff. 0.97

00:26:52.820 Tucker's many things, but he's not stupid. 0.98

00:26:54.420 When he pushes racist conspiracies like the Great Replacement, he knows the risks. 0.99

00:26:57.660 He knows some view his vile hate as a call to arms.

00:27:01.080 The problem is Tucker just doesn't give a damn about anyone but himself.

00:27:04.260 Rick Wilson.

00:27:05.340 The Buffalo Killers manifesto reads like this is a Lincoln Project guy.

00:27:09.680 Reads like a job application for a junior producer on Tucker Carlson.

00:27:12.680 And no, I'm not being flippant.

00:27:14.640 Matthew Dowd.

00:27:15.600 Always to be counted on for something terrible, though they aren't likely to be held criminally responsible.

00:27:20.640 I hold morally responsible for the shooting in Buffalo.

00:27:22.740 Folks like Tucker, Laura Ingram, Trump, GOP leaders like Elise Stefanik, Cruz, Hawley, etc.

00:27:27.140 Get them all in there.

00:27:28.300 Rob Reiner, the actor turned deranged tweeter.

00:27:31.720 The racist massacre in Buffalo rests at the feet of Donald Trump, Tucker Carlson and the GOP.

00:27:36.300 There are not fine people on both sides.

00:27:38.240 And here is a soundbite giving you a bit more of that.

00:27:42.740 And there are people and I don't think we should be dancing around his name.

00:27:46.180 There are people like Tucker Carlson who are directly trying to preach to these people.

00:27:50.980 Tucker Carlson has said right wing extremism doesn't exist.

00:27:55.320 It's not a thing.

00:27:57.180 If you watch Fox News, this is the mainstay of their primetime hours.

00:28:02.180 Tucker Carlson discusses it in sometimes euphemistic form.

00:28:05.900 It's so crazy, Brandon.

00:28:09.020 We literally had an anti-police, an anti-white supremacist ideology on display last month. 0.88

00:28:20.180 This is a guy, a self-identified black nationalist who went on a shooting spree on the New York City subway.

00:28:26.000 They moved on from that story, too, in about two seconds.

00:28:28.320 Right.

00:28:28.980 But Tucker Carlson and by the way, no cop, none of those people said anything about Rachel Maddow.

00:28:34.140 Right.

00:28:34.360 Right.

00:28:35.300 They see an opportunity to silence somebody who's got a very big platform and a very effective way of messaging on many things and who they perceive as a threat.

00:28:45.480 They're trying to take him out.

00:28:46.540 First was the New York Times with this deep profile trying to say he's a racist.

00:28:50.320 And now this they can't spend two minutes mourning the dead.

00:28:53.180 They got to blame it on a cable news host.

00:28:55.560 Yes, it's crazy that that they picked Tucker Carlson.

00:29:00.740 I feel like they're going to get a man more publicity and then people are going to realize that they completely lied and that's not what he stands for.

00:29:08.540 No, no, no Republicans stand for this stuff, man. 0.97

00:29:11.000 Every Republican has come out very clearly and decisively and said this guy's a complete lunatic. 0.99

00:29:16.000 It is it is asinine to me because they act as if every Republican is a is a white person. 0.98

00:29:22.080 What about the black people who support Tucker Carlson and watch him every single day? 0.99

00:29:25.560 You ain't black, you ain't black. 1.00

00:29:27.720 Maybe you've heard our president's already weighed in on that.

00:29:30.580 Yeah.

00:29:30.740 According to your guy, Joe Biden, who's in my opinion, made a racist statement by saying I ain't black if I don't know who I want to vote for.

00:29:37.240 You know, it's very it's very interesting how they're using some of these talking points as if they're receiving the one email and all of them get out there and say the same thing.

00:29:48.420 You know, it's a complete double standard.

00:29:50.620 You had mentioned the gentleman in New York.

00:29:52.400 I don't like to call these people gentlemen.

00:29:53.640 I try to be respectful as a southern guy.

00:29:56.080 But these individual the individual in a New York City subway.

00:29:59.580 I mean, his videos on YouTube were completely radical. 1.00

00:30:02.740 He was he said he hated white people and that white people are the scum. 1.00

00:30:06.420 Black people should not even have give or have relationships with white people. 1.00

00:30:09.940 They should not mix. 1.00

00:30:11.300 That is one of the most deranged racist things I've ever heard. 0.98

00:30:14.260 He goes out and shoots up a subway full of white people and no, they won't even cover it. 0.98

00:30:19.660 They won't even call him a radical.

00:30:22.180 And I'll tell you this, people, I don't know what they're thinking.

00:30:25.260 Like there's radical people on both sides. 0.98

00:30:27.340 There are black people out here that adamantly hate white people and they attack them.

00:30:31.640 Now, I'm going to make this point because I think if they want to be fair about making points and trying to hold people accountable based on rhetoric, 0.94

00:30:37.400 then every rapper that I have heard in the last 15 years should all be indicted and go to prison. 0.95

00:30:43.940 When you look at the murders that occur in the inner cities, 50 plus percent of all murders in this country are associated with black black males. 0.99

00:30:52.220 And most of the victims are black males. 0.96

00:30:56.000 And when you look at the rap music and the rhetoric from from that side of it, then how are they not vicariously responsible? 0.99

00:31:01.680 How do they not responsible when when the music is telling other young brothers to kill each other and to murder people and to be sexually promiscuous?

00:31:09.640 If you want to say Tucker's or someone using some of Tucker's talking points, potentially plagiarizing and taking it out of context and using it for evil,

00:31:18.700 then you have to hold the hold the line in the same direction.

00:31:21.840 It doesn't work that way.

00:31:23.360 If you're pushing Islam and you got the post city nightclub where a Muslim guy goes and kills 50 people or so, why is she not responsible? 1.00

00:31:32.440 How is pushing Islam and Sharia law not responsible for that? 0.99

00:31:36.860 If we're not going to hold everybody to the same account, then people need to shut up with making that comparison.

00:31:42.360 I have to tell you, it's it's wrong, but it's also scary because unlike Trump, who took a lot of this, you know, kind of incoming, Tucker doesn't have a secret service protecting him.

00:31:57.600 I'm not going to get into his security, but he's much more vulnerable.

00:32:00.740 And I don't want to hear one more word about reporters crying in their soup over mean tweets and what a toxic environment the Internet is for reporters just trying to do their jobs who are now creating this kind of rhetoric about a guy hosting a cable news show who has defended black Americans, Muslim Americans, Jewish Americans, white Americans.

00:32:25.860 Doesn't matter. He's about America first. And they don't they don't like it.

00:32:30.720 And they are endangering him when there's this kind of a pile on trying to say this man at his cable news post is responsible for the death of 10 people.

00:32:39.720 It's wrong. I say again, it's factually wrong. It's morally wrong and it's dangerous.

00:32:45.140 We need to have an honest discussion about what drove this 18 year old to want to murder a bunch of people.

00:32:51.860 And I'll tell you this last thing, Brandon, when I was at NBC, I did in-depth reporting on this because the shootings kept happening.

00:32:58.140 It was right after Parkland. And I had on a bunch of mothers who had children they knew were sociopaths. 0.96

00:33:07.120 They knew they were loving mothers, but they knew.

00:33:10.680 And there is no place in this country for them to go.

00:33:16.020 There's no facility in this country for them to bring their child.

00:33:20.460 Mothers who are raising the red flag, never mind a school teacher, a principal, a Boy Scout leader. 0.86

00:33:26.280 And this is the age, 18 to 25.

00:33:29.220 If you're going to have a psychotic break, this is about when it happens.

00:33:31.820 But we need to be focusing once and for all on the absolutely deplorable mental health system for these kids and the absolutely nonexistent system for, yes,

00:33:43.100 temporary depriving them of their civil liberties while we figure out what to do with people we understand are a risk to society.

00:33:50.860 I'll give you the last word, sir.

00:33:53.120 No, Megan, that's that's 100 percent correct.

00:33:55.780 It's sad because if a kid want to transition, they got all kind of programs to cut the genitalia and let them become a transgender and puberty blockers and all kind of other stuff.

00:34:05.420 But I feel like that they're dropping a ball with young people who have mental illness. 0.77

00:34:09.860 It's no way you are functioning a young person. 1.00

00:34:12.660 You're OK with just killing, murdering people like that. 0.99

00:34:15.420 There's something wrong. 0.98

00:34:16.620 And parents do know when their kids are off.

00:34:19.600 I have family members who are off.

00:34:21.080 We know that they're off.

00:34:22.220 We know that something is going on in their mind.

00:34:24.100 And we need more resources.

00:34:26.140 How do we get help for them without it turning violent?

00:34:30.180 You call the police and they show up to assist and that family members become violent with the police.

00:34:36.280 The police are going to have to defend themselves.

00:34:38.200 And that's a lot of people are afraid to go down that path.

00:34:40.800 So what what other options do we have for our parents to report their own children or to get them the help they need in a more meaningful way?

00:34:48.720 I believe, personally, if the parents would have gotten this young man the help he needed for earlier on, maybe he wouldn't have taken his emotional ideologies and turned them into murder.

00:35:02.560 So there's a there's a lot.

00:35:03.720 We need to know what there's a lot to be talked about.

00:35:06.700 And I hope that we see it turn around.

00:35:09.180 Absolutely right.

00:35:09.960 And the facility, we need to build a facility because it doesn't exist.

00:35:13.520 It needs to be a facility into which a loving parent would commit one's child.

00:35:19.360 It can't be like some like, you know, Attica.

00:35:22.440 It's got to be a facility into which a loving parent would commit his or her child.

00:35:27.660 But it does have to be a secure facility.

00:35:30.660 It can't it's it's going to have to have bars on the windows and the people who get committed there will not be able to leave until, in my view, it has to be sort of a diverse panel of experts who would have to determine whether this person is no longer a threat to society.

00:35:45.660 I have lots of ideas on it.

00:35:46.860 We can save it for another day, but none of it will be looked into in the wake of this shooting, Brandon, because they want to talk about cable.

00:35:53.460 So much appreciate your service.

00:35:54.820 Thank you for being here.

00:35:56.340 Thank you, Banging.

00:35:56.840 God bless you.

00:35:57.660 You, too.

00:35:58.940 Coming up, Devin Nunes, he's CEO of former President Trump's Media and Technology Group, and he's had his own dealings with Adam Schiff.

00:36:06.240 And obviously, he's a Republican.

00:36:07.860 We'll ask him what he thinks of the latest.

00:36:15.240 We're going to get into just a bit more about the media reaction to this shooting in Buffalo in just a second.

00:36:20.920 But I want to start with this, with our with our guest, a major test unfolding today for Special Prosecutor John Durham.

00:36:27.880 Now, John Durham was tapped to investigate the origins of the fake Russiagate scandal on which the media misled us for two years.

00:36:34.560 Today, the very first trial in the ongoing investigation involving Michael Sussman opens up.

00:36:38.940 It's number it's day one in 2016.

00:36:42.060 Sussman went to the FBI with purported evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

00:36:46.860 He was a concerned citizen.

00:36:48.260 He just wanted the FBI to know.

00:36:49.920 Looked like Trump was doing something bad.

00:36:51.500 He told the FBI, I'm just here as, you know, Joe Friday.

00:36:54.620 Like, I just I saw this and it's bad and I'm not here on behalf of any client.

00:36:58.220 I just, you know, I'm a good American.

00:37:00.780 Durham, who's been now looking into these allegations, alleges that was a total lie.

00:37:05.320 And that, in fact, Sussman was there visiting the FBI on behalf of the Hillary Clinton campaign and refused to disclose the fact that this is a political hit job.

00:37:14.660 This is not concerned citizen behavior.

00:37:17.180 Joining me now is someone who has waited a long time for this day in court.

00:37:19.660 And that's former House Intelligence Committee chair Devin Nunes.

00:37:23.300 Devin is now CEO of former President Trump's Media and Technology Group.

00:37:27.960 Very glad to have you here today.

00:37:29.400 Thanks for being here, Devin.

00:37:30.760 Megan, great to be with you.

00:37:31.920 It's a pleasure.

00:37:32.760 Before we get to everything that's happening with Trump and the Sussman trial, let's just spend a minute on what happened in Buffalo.

00:37:40.960 The reactions to what's happened have been just beyond the pale.

00:37:44.160 And I read some of them with our last guest.

00:37:47.080 But I know you've had your exchanges with Adam Schiff.

00:37:50.180 Instead of, like, taking a moment to just reflect on what's happened here, the loss of life and, you know, the mental health crisis that we're facing in our country, he decides to tweet about Tucker Carlson.

00:38:00.180 I read it in part before.

00:38:01.400 Here it is again. 0.96

00:38:01.980 Tucker Carlson has many things, but he's not stupid. 0.85

00:38:04.160 When he pushes racist conspiracy theories like the Great Replacement, he knows the risks. 0.98

00:38:09.040 He knows some view his vile hate as a call to arms.

00:38:12.120 The problem is Tucker just doesn't give a damn about anyone but himself.

00:38:15.040 That, from Adam Schiff, sitting Democratic leader, that's not the same as some random tweeter, pundit.

00:38:24.720 That's got weight behind it.

00:38:27.020 And your view on whether that is the responsible reaction to this.

00:38:31.080 I mean, Megan, this is a guy who, for five years now running, has done exactly this.

00:38:37.040 I mean, he's constantly gaslighting.

00:38:38.840 I mean, he clearly knew just – I know we're going to go into the Sussman case, but, you know, he was the main perpetrator of the Russia hoax. 0.85

00:38:45.900 When I came out in early 2017 and said, hey, look, I don't see any intelligence here whatsoever that would say that Trump has anything to do with Russia, it was him and all of the Democrats there who continually said, oh, my God, it's there.

00:39:00.580 You just can't see it.

00:39:01.520 Wait till you see it.

00:39:02.420 Things of that nature.

00:39:03.200 So, you know, it's been a slippery slope for him and many of the other leaders where there's just nothing that they won't do, nothing that they won't say.

00:39:11.700 I mean, you now have this, you know, the latest attack on the Supreme Court, leaks coming from the Supreme Court.

00:39:16.340 So, you know, what happened, you know, in 15 and 16, which was, okay, it's just Donald Trump.

00:39:22.080 Everybody hates him.

00:39:23.000 The fake news hates him.

00:39:24.160 So it's okay to attack him.

00:39:25.860 And it doesn't matter how dirty we get because, you know, clearly everybody's going to cover for us and it got DOJ, FBI, all these people involved in this has now escalated to, you know, where you have, you know, tweets that go out accusing anybody they don't like of racism.

00:39:41.740 I even saw Elise Stefanik, who's a congresswoman from New York, the highest ranked woman in Congress, highest ranked Republican.

00:39:50.960 She's the number three in the House of Representatives right now for the Republicans. 0.97

00:39:54.600 I mean, both her local New York paper and then I think even the Washington Post accused her of being a racist. 0.99

00:40:02.620 And so, you know, look, I don't know what the basis is for it, but, you know, clearly it's kind of odd too, I think.

00:40:08.360 And maybe some of your future guests can get into this, but it's like you have one of these tragic events or it's a shooting and then it triggers other shootings, right?

00:40:16.540 Because we had one in California just yesterday, you know, a day after.

00:40:21.560 And then, you know, there was one in Milwaukee the day before.

00:40:23.740 It's strange what motivates these people, but, you know, a lot of times it is mental illness.

00:40:29.040 And as someone who has been targeted multiple times by people with mental illness, it doesn't help when you have the left wing in this country gaslighting all over the place and, you know, making it sound okay that someone did some of this and try to push blame to people.

00:40:44.720 Well, when we we've known for a long time, you know, there is a serious mental illness problem and, you know, it's almost consistently every time there's been one of these mass shootings, it's been something that, you know, potentially we could have could have been fixed if they had the right help.

00:41:00.120 But as far as we know, I mean, our governor in New York state now is blaming the gun.

00:41:03.980 We have to tight. We need tighter gun laws. 1.00

00:41:05.440 Meanwhile, New York state has some of the tightest gun laws in the country.

00:41:08.520 She's she's using this as an excuse to ask the Supreme Court to decide in her favor on the gun case that's pending before them right now, where they're trying to decide whether New York's very restrictive gun laws, where you cannot get a concealed carry, not open carry, a concealed carry permit unless you have some special circumstances.

00:41:25.380 You basically have to prove that you're a crime victim.

00:41:27.180 You've been stalked, whatever.

00:41:28.500 Can't get it if you're just a regular citizen.

00:41:30.400 And that argument didn't go well for the governor of New York.

00:41:33.580 It looks like Supreme Court, my view and the view of most legal experts watching it, it's going to go the other way.

00:41:37.460 And they're going to strike down that law, at least in New York.

00:41:39.460 She used today.

00:41:40.420 She used what happened yesterday in Buffalo as an excuse to try to say, you know, hope the court goes my way.

00:41:46.420 As if that's concealed carry has anything to do with this.

00:41:50.040 As someone who spent, you know, two decades in Washington.

00:41:53.580 I mean, there are kind of these core, almost fanatical religious, you know, it's almost like a religion to them now.

00:42:02.180 And that is, you know, you have to be, you know, for the Green New Deal, for all the extreme climate stuff, you have to be anti-gun and you have to be pro-abortion.

00:42:12.140 And if you're not those three, you don't really you don't really make it out of a Democratic primary because the party is has lured so far to the left.

00:42:20.240 I mean, I think when I first arrived in Congress, there used to be not a lot of Democrats that were pro-life and pro-Second Amendment.

00:42:29.260 But but there was a there was a handful.

00:42:31.180 I mean, it was it was a significant number.

00:42:33.000 I can't I can't tell if it was 15 or 20, but it was a significant number.

00:42:37.400 And now there's now there's like zero.

00:42:39.220 Yep. The the the the view, forgive me for quoting a commentator on the view to you, but you mentioned Elise Stefanik, which is what made me think of it.

00:42:50.720 And that show just aired.

00:42:52.480 And Anna Navarro, who used to be a Republican, she's a never Trump Republican. 0.95

00:42:57.040 She's she's obviously a very far left person now. 0.83

00:42:59.940 She said, and I quote, if you are an advertiser advertising on that station, meaning Fox, you are part of the problem.

00:43:07.260 If you sit on the board and are trying to be a civilized person, Paul Ryan, my friends, I'm talking to you.

00:43:14.180 You are part of the problem.

00:43:16.020 If you are a Republican donor tweeting about how bad you feel about this, but you're donating to people like Elise Stefanik, you are part of the problem.

00:43:24.280 And here begins the pile on on every Republican or their supporters.

00:43:30.300 And it's very odd of all the people they they they pick Elise Stefanik.

00:43:33.860 And so take you back just a few years when they've the left and the Democrats constantly said, oh, the Republicans, they, you know, they're a war on women.

00:43:41.700 They're anti-woman. They don't have any women that are elected. 1.00

00:43:44.840 It's all it's all just a bunch of guys.

00:43:47.000 Well, what they failed to say is that Nancy Pelosi took it upon herself, spent extra money to defeat Republican women back in 2018 and 2020.

00:43:55.540 So now, you know, what do they do? They know that Stefanik is is a very effective communicator, young lady.

00:44:02.340 And I've worked with her for a long time. She was actually very instrumental in in dealing with Adam Schiff during the Russia hoax.

00:44:08.480 So she's a very effective leader and happens to be, you know, not only that, but she's also a woman. 0.72

00:44:16.640 So clearly, whatever they're they're clearly they have designs on her because they see her as a threat or people wouldn't be piling on like this.

00:44:24.920 I mean, look, she's going to have from my perspective, she's got a massive defamation and slander case here against that local New York paper and probably The Washington Post and potentially even Navarro.

00:44:36.000 And I don't know, you know, who she's I don't know. Is that is that NBC? I don't even know.

00:44:40.060 I don't watch ABC. Yeah, ABC. I don't recommend it.

00:44:43.460 We'll we'll watch it so you don't have to. No, you're absolutely right, because and it's almost, you know, in a way, a badge of honor, because if they're coming for you, it means they think you're effective and they feel threatened by you.

00:44:53.060 But in this particular case, it's dangerous. It's just genuinely dangerous to try to tell the nation that she or Tucker, Paul Ryan, for goodness sake, somehow has moral responsibility or, in fact, actual responsibility,

00:45:05.280 some sort of actual link to a guy who just committed mass murder. It isn't true.

00:45:09.940 And remember, this is they've been very effective at this. Right. So, I mean, you know this because of your time at Fox.

00:45:16.200 I mean, Fox and other Newsmax, One America News, they've been very effective at getting these woke corporations,

00:45:23.420 which now I think probably 90 percent of the corporations in public companies in the United States are woke now or they have to, you know, pray to some woke God so they're not able to spend their advertising dollars.

00:45:35.540 I mean, you look at you look at the shows that are on Fox, even though they have, you know, sometimes two, three, four, even five times the ratings, you know, you will not see, you know, and I'm not this is no this is no slam on Mike Lindell and the MyPillow guy.

00:45:50.160 But, you know, you'll often see multiple MyPillow commercials. Now, why is MyPillow able to buy those is because the big corporates are throwing all their money to MSNBC, CNN and the other networks, you know,

00:46:02.360 which you could argue is not even a good use of money because clearly there's a massive audience on these conservative networks.

00:46:08.700 So, look, they're targeting Paul Ryan because they probably believe that they can get him and the Fox board to take to take some action.

00:46:15.100 And look, and they won't stop there. Right. At first, it'll be they'll mention it in the press.

00:46:19.080 And then the next thing they'll do is they'll start harassment. They'll start lawsuits. They'll start sending people to your home.

00:46:25.200 You know, I know that because I've been dealing with it since I in 2017 came out and said that, hey, there's Donald Trump's not a Russian agent here.

00:46:34.880 And the Republican Party is not under the control of Putin. And, you know, ever since then, you know, I have been constantly attacked and harassed.

00:46:43.280 It just it doesn't stop. And they won't stop until unless they think they can defeat you.

00:46:47.520 Right. That's what they want. So you have to stand up for that reason. That's right.

00:46:50.900 Because what you were saying when you went against the grain and said, hold on, it's I'm on the intel committee.

00:46:56.120 You don't have it. It isn't there. This is made up. They came for you.

00:47:00.880 They were angry that you would say such a thing. They dismissed you as just a rube.

00:47:04.760 And what you were saying was true. It's just didn't align with their political goals of getting rid of Trump.

00:47:12.140 And they considered him an existential threat. So he had to go. And anybody pushing back against the narrative had to go.

00:47:19.660 So, yeah, you've lived this firsthand. The you know, the Paul Ryan thing, I my prediction is the Fox Fox will not bend the Fox board will not bend.

00:47:29.340 They're not firing Tucker and they shouldn't. And he's already lost a lot of his advertisers.

00:47:33.940 A lot of advertisers don't want to go on his show because of this. And you know what?

00:47:36.840 They'll be just fine. If every advertiser walk from Fox News, they'd be just fine.

00:47:40.440 They make most of their money in the carriage fees that the cable providers pay them.

00:47:44.940 You know, Comcast, all those people pay to have Fox News on their lineup because half of the American public watches Fox.

00:47:50.460 And in fact, it's the most watched channel by Democrats.

00:47:53.080 I mean, more Democrats watch Tucker than any other show.

00:47:55.400 So they'll be fine financially, even if every advertiser pulls.

00:47:59.640 But it's it's to your it's to your shame and your own business loss if you pull your advertising off of Fox News, because that's half the country.

00:48:08.160 Where else are you going to reach them? You can come on digital media.

00:48:10.600 We're here. But it would just be foolhardy to limit yourselves to a situation that didn't involve, you know, such a such a watch cable channel.

00:48:18.640 Devin, I do want to get into Sussman. It's a fascinating case.

00:48:20.980 It's just starting today and there's nobody better to talk about it than than you.

00:48:24.780 So stand by. We'll pick it up there right after this quick break.

00:48:31.860 OK, so let's talk about this Sussman trial today.

00:48:35.320 Michael Sussman is a former partner at the law firm Perkins Coie.

00:48:41.240 And this guy was one of his partners was Mark Elias, who's a campaign law specialist who represented the Clinton campaign.

00:48:49.900 And Michael Sussman one day walked into the FBI and said, I got a great tip for you.

00:48:55.420 Oh, my gosh, this bad stuff is going on with Donald Trump and this bank.

00:49:00.440 And you should go check it out because I love my country.

00:49:03.780 And I just want you to know that we're looking at a potential traitor here.

00:49:06.980 And they said, oh, are you affiliated with anybody, you know, like on the Clinton side?

00:49:11.940 No, no.

00:49:12.820 Oh, just here's a private concerned citizen.

00:49:15.100 And that, of course, wasn't true.

00:49:17.040 Michael Sussman denies all that.

00:49:18.380 OK, denies all that.

00:49:19.240 And by the way, the FBI did know they knew that he who he was with and why he was there.

00:49:24.160 But still, it was a lie.

00:49:25.540 Even if you know, it's still a lie, even if you know you're being lied to.

00:49:28.600 That's what he's on trial for.

00:49:29.920 And this is what the judge in that case is ruled.

00:49:32.480 Devin, he said that they can absolutely try to prove that he lied to the FBI.

00:49:37.020 He has said that they can try to prove some aspects of what the special prosecutor, John

00:49:44.000 Durham, has described as the joint venture, the joint venture to defraud the government.

00:49:50.720 Like, why would you do that?

00:49:52.700 Who else was in it with you?

00:49:55.080 Like, what would your motivation have been to lie?

00:49:57.280 But he's not going to allow him to go to prove the joint venture's full scope and membership

00:50:02.380 because they have an alleged conspiracy.

00:50:04.000 So it's like a little bit of a net to get the people around Sussman, but it's not the

00:50:09.080 full fisherman's net to try to get everybody who is in on this.

00:50:12.320 Do you think do I have it right, basically?

00:50:13.920 Yeah.

00:50:14.160 Yeah.

00:50:14.440 So we can unpack that a little bit.

00:50:15.860 So so this so what's happening here is that that they got Sussman on something that

00:50:22.800 really puts pits him against the dirty cops at DOJ and FBI.

00:50:27.660 So what happened this?

00:50:29.440 Remember, when Sussman walks in, this is after the election when a cabal of them decided

00:50:34.000 this is after when I say after the election, we got to go back after the election of 2016,

00:50:39.160 Donald Trump wins.

00:50:41.280 So earlier in the last segment, you asked me, you know, kind of how did I know something

00:50:45.220 was wrong?

00:50:45.760 Well, it was because shortly after that election, we had our normal briefing that would be an

00:50:51.920 after an election at the House Intelligence Committee and everything was normal.

00:50:56.860 And in fact, that was the real intelligence.

00:50:58.740 I still go back to that. 0.83

00:50:59.640 So three weeks after the election, yeah, Putin's a thug, Putin did bad things, Putin does the 0.61

00:51:04.460 things he always does.

00:51:05.980 But it was nothing, you know, no, like, huge ordeal where he's working with Donald Trump

00:51:10.660 and the Republicans.

00:51:11.320 There was there was no evidence there.

00:51:13.460 And at the time, and that just went away.

00:51:15.880 So there was no issue.

00:51:16.920 And then about 10 days later, all of a sudden, around the 1st of December 2016, this whole

00:51:24.180 thing gets blown up again and say, oh, no, no, there's evidence of this.

00:51:27.420 And I said, well, wait a second.

00:51:28.660 You just told us there was not any evidence, right?

00:51:31.460 Like, how did this change?

00:51:33.460 And of course, you know, they would say nothing, nothing, nothing.

00:51:36.260 Oh, we're going to do a report, right?

00:51:38.100 Obama commissioned a report.

00:51:39.540 Obama and Biden commissioned a report.

00:51:41.300 And it got done in record time for any government report that I've ever seen, including, you

00:51:47.660 know, with the Christmas and New Year's.

00:51:49.300 This thing was done in a matter of a month, right?

00:51:52.620 So it gets commissioned first part of December, and it's done right at the beginning of January

00:51:56.740 when the new Congress gets sworn in.

00:52:00.480 And then we go to a briefing and they call us all together, a gang of aid.

00:52:05.420 Oh, my God, this is really important.

00:52:07.220 And nothing.

00:52:08.860 Comey's there.

00:52:09.520 All these guys are there.

00:52:10.800 Nothing.

00:52:11.320 Zero.

00:52:11.640 I'm like, well, you know, I didn't say it like this, but where the hell are the Russians?

00:52:15.020 Like, what are you guys talking about here?

00:52:17.020 Oh, well, let me just show you.

00:52:19.460 We've got this, what ended up being the Steele dossier, right?

00:52:24.840 So the Steele dossier gets thrown out there.

00:52:27.800 And I'm like, what the hell is this?

00:52:29.840 Where has this been?

00:52:30.740 Oh, we've had it.

00:52:31.480 It's been floating around.

00:52:32.720 Well, wait, you never gave it to me.

00:52:34.160 Well, the reason they would never give it to somebody like me or anybody else that's ever

00:52:38.360 actually read an intelligence report is it's laughable. 0.99

00:52:42.100 And it would have taken any idiot, anybody who has any background in this, a nanosecond 1.00

00:52:47.500 to figure out that it was all fake. 1.00

00:52:49.340 But because the news media was in on it, DOJ was in on it, FBI was in on it, all these

00:52:55.680 people were in on this.

00:52:56.660 So let's get back to Sussman now.

00:53:00.400 What Durham's doing is he's taking a very specific slice of the entire saga.

00:53:06.300 So what happens is Sussman and whoever instructed him to do this gets a little overzealous and

00:53:14.340 decides that they really need this to stick.

00:53:17.240 And one of their latest conspiracy theories was the Alpha Bank conspiracy theory, which 0.78

00:53:21.680 was there had been all kinds of garbage, Megan, that dates back that all fake, all phony, just 0.92

00:53:27.720 a complete and total kind of a horrible Hollywood script, actually. 0.95

00:53:34.080 And then Sussman and they concoct this thing of, oh, my God, there's Russian banks that are

00:53:38.880 that are pinging with the Donald Trump servers.

00:53:40.700 While at the same time, they're so desperate, they get this this tech company that appears

00:53:46.840 to have government contracts, they actually do go and get and spy on Trump Tower, Trump

00:53:53.060 apartments, ultimately the White House when Trump was sworn in.

00:53:57.580 And then, of course, Sussman went to the FBI, lied about it, went to CIA, other intelligence

00:54:02.760 agencies, lied about it.

00:54:05.500 And that's what Durham was able to actually get him on specifically.

00:54:09.840 He's already indicted Danchenko, which will be the next which will be the next trial.

00:54:13.600 So I believe what Durham is essentially doing here is it's really going to put Sussman,

00:54:19.060 who's one of the top lawyers on the Clinton campaign, does he and will he take the fall

00:54:25.800 for the Clinton campaign and the DNC?

00:54:27.780 I think that's what we're going to witness here.

00:54:29.480 We're going to see.

00:54:30.760 My guess is that Sussman is probably betting.

00:54:34.500 Well, he has kind of two ways to go.

00:54:36.620 He can bet his life on a D.C. jury, which is probably going to be favorable to him.

00:54:41.100 Maybe he'll maybe he'll get off.

00:54:42.400 We've seen what they've done to to others.

00:54:45.320 Or he would have to give up the goods on all of these cast of characters, which would

00:54:50.540 take down the entire DNC, the Clinton campaign, possibly even Obama and Biden himself and

00:54:56.680 these dirty cops at DOJ, because we know there were top level people at DOJ and FBI that clearly

00:55:02.620 were involved in this.

00:55:05.580 And so I think Sussman has probably had to weigh that.

00:55:08.100 What's the you know, what are his best chances?

00:55:11.780 And I guess right now he thinks his best chances with the D.C. jury, because clearly they were

00:55:16.060 all in on it.

00:55:17.020 It was a conspiracy.

00:55:18.480 Durham knows it.

00:55:19.600 There's plenty of circumstantial evidence that we were that we uncovered with our 14 criminal

00:55:24.020 referrals that we made.

00:55:25.840 Durham just has so much more now.

00:55:27.440 And it'll be interesting if he does.

00:55:29.180 He's got some cooperating witnesses.

00:55:31.940 So for those of us who have been our lives really were upended by this whole fiasco.

00:55:36.700 And it's not just me, but it's people that I worked with.

00:55:40.560 It's, you know, think of the people like a Carter Page whose life was ruined.

00:55:43.980 General Flynn whose life was ruined.

00:55:46.100 Donald Trump, who had to spend basically his whole presidency defending himself that he wasn't

00:55:50.140 a Russian agent.

00:55:50.940 So, so much damage has been done to all of these institutions.

00:55:55.820 But here in the next couple of weeks, if this trial does move forward, jury selection is

00:56:00.100 happening today.

00:56:01.260 There's going to be some interesting witnesses, including someone who had a couple that have

00:56:05.200 immunity from both Fusion GPS, which was hired to put all this together.

00:56:10.900 And then from this tech company that was doing the spying, someone's been given immunity

00:56:15.960 there, I believe.

00:56:16.680 So that's going to be fascinating testimony.

00:56:19.240 It's going to make, going to get a lot of people excited.

00:56:23.260 I mean, so at Truth Social, you'll like this, Megan, where, you know, our new, our new social

00:56:29.280 media company, people are going crazy right now.

00:56:31.980 It was just, I was actually just looking at it during the break because it's the first

00:56:35.500 Durham sighting.

00:56:36.340 So people have like three seconds of video of Durham walking into the court and everybody,

00:56:40.860 you know, so a lot of, you know, millions of Americans have been following this.

00:56:43.980 People want to see justice.

00:56:45.000 And, um, and like a Durham sighting now is, is something that everybody gets excited.

00:56:50.000 Rockstar.

00:56:50.560 They're going to have to choose between this trial and the Johnny Depp Amber Heard trial.

00:56:53.500 So they're, which is also attracting a lot of attention.

00:56:56.640 So this is just to go back.

00:56:59.120 What, when did all of this start?

00:57:00.620 Do you, do you know, do you have the, do we know when Fusion GPS and like the whole steel

00:57:05.640 dossier and like, when did, when did that first start percolating?

00:57:08.920 Yeah, we pretty much know that they concocted something and they were looking at doing something

00:57:13.620 in late 2015.

00:57:15.560 I believe actually Lee Smith, who wrote probably the, the, the book on this called the plot

00:57:21.480 against the president.

00:57:22.780 Um, and he actually nailed this.

00:57:24.160 He actually nailed in his book that came out, gosh, I don't know, three or four years ago,

00:57:28.020 all of the fake news people that were totally in bed.

00:57:30.720 We didn't talk about that.

00:57:31.460 All the fake news people who were in bed with the DNC and Sussman and all of these, the infusion

00:57:36.940 GPS.

00:57:37.340 I mean, now, how do we know that?

00:57:38.960 Because Durham has actually provided some of that information in, in his indictments

00:57:43.740 and pleadings that the media was in on it.

00:57:46.100 So Lee Smith actually, I think has the best lead on this because he got something that

00:57:50.100 we were not able to get when we were investigating.

00:57:52.780 There's the steel dossiers that everybody kind of knows about that went on for, I don't

00:57:57.640 know, six or seven months that culminated with Sussman, you know, alpha bank running

00:58:01.440 into the FBI.

00:58:02.560 That was kind of the last, as I remember, that was kind of the last dossier of,

00:58:06.760 of, of, of the dossier.

00:58:09.300 But there was something that, that Lee Smith called proto dossiers that steel had nothing

00:58:14.400 to do with.

00:58:15.040 So it appears like those were probably written and concocted in late 2015 by early 2016.

00:58:22.420 They're definitely targeting Trump.

00:58:24.080 And what happens is, is that they take that story from Trump has connections to dirty Russian 0.94

00:58:32.780 oligarchs. 0.98

00:58:33.600 That was kind of the pre proto dossier, uh, kind of storyline to Trump has dealings with

00:58:40.960 Putin.

00:58:42.060 And we know from our, from our investigation that Obama's briefed on this.

00:58:46.740 We know that his attorney general is briefed on, on all of this in early, like spring, uh,

00:58:52.380 2016.

00:58:53.140 And of course, everything's put in motion, you know, to run, you know, I mean, there's

00:58:57.800 all sorts of stuff we could, we could spend a multiple shows on it, but the bottom line

00:59:01.700 is, is they started running, uh, spies and agents into the Trump campaign, right?

00:59:07.180 They lurk Carter page to take a trip to London.

00:59:09.520 They get Papadopoulos to, you know, to go down to Italy.

00:59:12.620 They've got, you know, they, they convince a Alexander Downer, Australian, uh, ambassador

00:59:18.720 to, you know, to basically come up with fake him, you know, phony information on George

00:59:22.740 Papadopoulos and frame him, you know?

00:59:25.040 And so the FBI, DOJ, Obama, they were all in on this whole thing that they tried to get

00:59:31.940 going, but of course they weren't able to do it.

00:59:34.100 You know why?

00:59:34.920 Because there was no, they're there because there was no, even as much as they tried to

00:59:39.060 force to make it happen and set up the Trump campaign and Republican operatives, they were

00:59:44.000 never able to do it.

00:59:45.300 And, you know, and sadly, I think, you know, when you look back on all this that's happened,

00:59:49.680 it wasn't Trump that had anything to do with Russia or Ukraine or, or China.

00:59:56.380 It was actually Biden and the Biden family.

01:00:00.060 And, you know, that's why.

01:00:01.000 The crazy thing is no, no one's paid a price.

01:00:03.560 No, no one has paid a price for their malfeasance.

01:00:06.860 And that's what Durham is trying to get to the bottom of.

01:00:09.460 He's trying to one by one extract some prices from those responsible, though, you know,

01:00:16.120 there's real question about whether he's ever going to get the big, the big enchilada, you

01:00:20.800 know, be able to establish the massive story the way you just did, or just these little

01:00:25.480 slices.

01:00:25.900 And I know, you know, you recommended the 14, 14 criminal referrals to the Department of

01:00:32.380 Justice when you were on the House Intel Committee.

01:00:34.660 And I know you say you hope that Durham's looking into every single one of them.

01:00:38.040 But what's your confidence level that that's happened?

01:00:40.320 Yeah, I think, I mean, he definitely is just by laying, because what we, you know, for the

01:00:43.860 most part, what you saw in all of that, it was 14 criminal referrals involving actually

01:00:48.280 dozens of people that needed to be investigated.

01:00:50.520 Now, we had a circumstantial case.

01:00:52.600 We, you know, we had some direct evidence, but not like what Durham's able to produce.

01:00:56.300 So, look, it clearly was, was conspiracy.

01:00:59.480 Um, that carries some very stiff penalties at the same time.

01:01:02.920 It's hard to prove and they're going to have to get somebody to break.

01:01:06.200 Um, I'm sure they thought that Sussman would break.

01:01:08.440 He didn't.

01:01:08.980 Um, now, like I said, just to reiterate, uh, Durham, this is why what's going to be so

01:01:14.020 fascinating over the next couple of weeks, Durham did get, you know, two important witnesses

01:01:18.720 to break and that got, um, they were able to, uh, that are going to testify because they

01:01:24.640 got immunity.

01:01:25.300 And that's going to be fascinating.

01:01:26.000 The GPS guy and the guy who worked for that, it was, is it Georgia Institute of Technology?

01:01:30.300 The tech company, Jaffe is the guy.

01:01:32.200 Jaffe is the guy who's being investigated by Durham.

01:01:35.900 And actually that was the guy we had, we had a guest on talking about him.

01:01:38.620 Jaffe is a very colorful character who had access to all these government servers, the

01:01:42.480 server of the white house and other places.

01:01:43.880 And he's the one who said, we're going to use this access to look for connection connections

01:01:47.980 between Trump and the Russians.

01:01:49.880 And that's, that's what, what leads to the term spying, uh, cause that wasn't, he had

01:01:54.960 authorized access to the servers, but not necessarily for this purpose.

01:01:58.740 And so, yeah, sorry, go ahead.

01:02:00.260 I mean, look at this whole, that whole thing about spying. 0.80

01:02:02.620 I know you probably want to move on from this, but it's one of the most ridiculous things

01:02:06.960 I've ever, like I've had to deal with it, like how the media can even argue over what

01:02:12.360 the definition of spying is.

01:02:14.040 I mean, they ran agents into the Trump campaign.

01:02:19.840 If that's not spying, I don't know what the hell is.

01:02:22.380 So, you know, that's why, you know, I left Congress and to go to it, to run a social media

01:02:27.040 company startup is because I could just see you have 95% of the media out there is totally

01:02:31.720 fake.

01:02:32.200 And they're willing to say spying.

01:02:33.580 That's not spying.

01:02:34.680 What do you mean?

01:02:35.900 You ran somebody into a campaign.

01:02:37.460 How the hell is it not spying? 1.00

01:02:38.640 You morons. 1.00

01:02:38.940 How is it not spying? 1.00

01:02:40.060 You know?

01:02:40.440 Exactly right.

01:02:41.060 And so, you know, and then when you run that through to the, to, you know, through the

01:02:45.000 Facebooks and the, and the Instagrams and all of that, and they say, oh no, the Hunter

01:02:49.080 Biden laptop story, we're killing that completely.

01:02:51.700 Like we're going to kill the story right before an election.

01:02:55.120 And oh, by the way, Zuckerberg just happens to throw in $420 million into a campaign in

01:03:01.740 the targeted States.

01:03:02.620 I mean, we, we just have lost our ability to even communicate with one another because

01:03:08.640 people are so reliant on, you know, on these phones and on their iPads and on their desktops.

01:03:14.100 And, um, you know, and that's, I think that's why we've, and, and, and I say this, uh, Megan,

01:03:19.440 because this is kind of how this went down for me.

01:03:23.680 I sat there for all those years saying, wait, what, what, it's not spying.

01:03:27.680 Like what, what, what the hell are you talking about?

01:03:29.160 It's not spying.

01:03:29.640 And then you would see these polls, like when we first started, it was like 20, you know,

01:03:34.900 only like 25% originally thought, no, the Republicans aren't like, and aren't being

01:03:39.380 controlled by Putin.

01:03:40.400 And then we gradually fought over the years and the polling, even on election day, the

01:03:46.540 last polling that I saw still had close to half of America that went to the polls in

01:03:53.060 2020, still believe that Donald Trump had something to do with Putin and it could have

01:03:57.980 been further from the truth.

01:03:58.700 And that was kind of the, between the, the sensory and the New York of the New York post

01:04:02.980 story, the Hunter Biden laptop story, um, parlor being cut off by Bezos at, at Amazon.

01:04:08.800 You know, I just knew like, we have a much bigger problem in this country.

01:04:12.100 If we can't even communicate with one another freely to, to be open for political speech,

01:04:16.480 we're going to be totally screwed.

01:04:18.360 And, you know, that's why, that's why I left Congress. 0.85

01:04:21.420 One of the people who believe that was our new disinformation czar, this woman, the showtune 0.99

01:04:26.220 tyrant, as one of our guests labeled her, which I love, Chris Rufo, showtune tyrant, um, was 0.96

01:04:32.460 one of the people who said that was all, that the Russian story was real and the Hunter Biden

01:04:36.060 laptop was disinformation.

01:04:37.780 Um, I want to ask you about true social, but just a couple more questions on Durham.

01:04:42.420 Do you think, so is he going to be issuing a big report?

01:04:45.560 Do you think it would, no matter what he proves in court, do you expect a big report from him

01:04:49.880 that will, in a narrative, explain to us what he's found, what happened, even if it, if he

01:04:54.680 didn't find it indictable.

01:04:55.840 And will it be up to Merrick Garland to release that to us?

01:05:00.800 Cause this whole thing got started when Bill Barr was attorney general and appointed Durham

01:05:03.880 to go look into this.

01:05:04.700 So he's got to report back to the DOJ.

01:05:07.540 So I think the answer is right now, you know, we know he was instructed to do a report.

01:05:12.500 Um, at this point, I don't, I don't really want to report at this point because I want

01:05:18.240 to see, I mean, this, this case is going to be critical, right?

01:05:22.660 It's going to be interesting to see what a Washington DC jury does, if they're willing

01:05:26.180 to actually enforce justice, because there's no question that this, that this guy lied.

01:05:31.560 Um, so we'll see if that, if that, if that happens, the case, I believe it begins in August.

01:05:37.140 And I think Danchenko is a much more interesting figure.

01:05:40.440 Who's, who's, he's the guy who put together the dossier and kind of handed the information

01:05:44.220 to Christopher Steele. 0.81

01:05:45.300 The wall street journal just had a great report on Danchenko and his two like loser friends 0.91

01:05:49.280 who just sat around gossiping.

01:05:50.640 And that turned into the Steele dossier, which every media person ran with this like insane

01:05:55.020 how these people manipulated the media.

01:05:56.660 He was more hired.

01:05:57.420 I think it's even more nefarious than that.

01:05:59.360 It was so go back to what I was talking about earlier, Fusion GPS, right?

01:06:03.600 Who commissions this dossier at first they have that early dossier, which is just their

01:06:08.300 garbage that they're just trying to float around in 15 and early 16.

01:06:12.040 Then they need to hire an avatar. 0.87

01:06:14.060 And that's why they hired Steele.

01:06:16.040 You know, Steele had been an MI6 guy.

01:06:17.920 He had spent some time in Russia.

01:06:19.060 What a perfect guy that they could just hire still didn't write this stuff, right?

01:06:23.560 Well, and what they did, and then Danchenko was essentially another avatar because they

01:06:27.960 had to have a source.

01:06:29.760 And if you remember, you know, we were during our investigation, we're like, where the hell

01:06:34.480 is your source? 0.94

01:06:35.100 And I had all these dirty cops at DOJ and FBI who said, oh my God, if we tell you the 0.94

01:06:39.460 source, people are going to die. 0.98

01:06:41.280 They're going to die.

01:06:41.960 They're going to get killed. 0.97

01:06:42.720 Well, that right there was a lie because this is a guy who was a Brookings Institute dude 0.98

01:06:49.080 at one point, you know, clearly left wing.

01:06:51.300 He's hanging out right in DC.

01:06:53.200 And guess what? 1.00

01:06:54.240 He just made this crap up. 1.00

01:06:56.200 Like he just made it up. 1.00

01:06:57.280 He was another avatar.

01:06:58.440 So from my look, I think you're putting this together. 0.99

01:07:01.100 This is really Fusion GPS concocted the whole damn thing. 0.96

01:07:04.920 Steele is an avatar. 0.98

01:07:05.920 Danchenko is an avatar.

01:07:07.000 Danchenko's problem is, and this is why I think it's going to be interesting, this, you

01:07:09.920 know, he did a whole bunch of lying and that's going to be, I think, a problem for him because,

01:07:14.520 you know, he was essentially what appears like they were planting information and they

01:07:17.460 were just telling Danchenko, hey, say this, hey, say that.

01:07:20.400 So, you know, he was, it was just essentially, like I said, it was just a bad Hollywood script

01:07:25.740 to frame, you know, Donald Trump and the entire Republican Party.

01:07:29.880 He's again, Danchenko is the next guy to go on trial.

01:07:34.440 So I'd like to see that just, yeah.

01:07:35.660 So just to close that, I want to see that trial.

01:07:38.280 Um, I do believe, you know, that this Jaffe, it seems like he's under investigation.

01:07:43.400 He could be indicted and, you know, clearly will all these people, and this is the question,

01:07:49.640 take the fall to protect the DNC, Clintons and the dirty cops at DOJ and FBI and the fake

01:07:56.120 news media who were all involved in this too.

01:07:58.260 Will those guys do serious time?

01:08:00.480 And I think the Danchenko issue is going to be interesting because he's going to be tried

01:08:03.680 in Virginia, should be a much more normal and fair jury, I would think.

01:08:09.360 And then after that, you know, then I'd like to see a report.

01:08:13.080 But most importantly, I think we want to see people pay a price for the biggest political

01:08:18.040 scandal in modern U.S. political history.

01:08:20.460 Mm-hmm.

01:08:21.740 Wow.

01:08:22.160 Well, we'll see if Merrick Garland manipulates it or doesn't let us see it.

01:08:25.240 I'm sure it'll come out in much the same way the Mueller report did when they felt Bill

01:08:29.900 Barr didn't accurately represent his findings, though Bill Barr would dispute that as he did

01:08:34.240 when I talked to him.

01:08:35.100 And, you know, the issue here is going to be too, is like, but this, this is going to

01:08:38.220 happen to Danchenko.

01:08:39.400 I think that's August, September.

01:08:40.660 We'll see if there's more indictments that come.

01:08:43.240 But if the, if politics stay the way that they look like they're headed to come November,

01:08:49.860 Garland's going to have a bigger problem on his hands because if Republicans do get the

01:08:54.060 majority back in the House and the Senate, I, you know, I know, I mean, there's enough

01:08:58.540 good people that I worked with there.

01:09:00.400 I mean, there's going to be a zero tolerance.

01:09:02.280 I mean, subpoenas are going to go out right away to these guys if they try any shenanigans.

01:09:06.160 So, you know, not that a subpoena is the end of the world, but we know so much more about

01:09:10.660 how dirty the left will be, but I'm sure there's going to be a very low tolerance level

01:09:15.500 from, you know, by both, you know, like guys like Senator Grassley, Senator Johnson that

01:09:20.140 worked closely with us on our investigation from the Senate side, Jim Jordan, Elise Stefanik,

01:09:25.120 who we talked about earlier.

01:09:26.200 So they know that these subpoenas have to go out.

01:09:28.260 So I think Garland has to be looking that, you know, right, you know, kind of that down

01:09:32.880 a barrel.

01:09:33.720 And I just think this is an issue that is, you know, is never going to die until justice

01:09:39.260 is served.

01:09:39.740 And if justice is not served, then I think we're in a, we're in a situation where we're

01:09:44.780 just going to have the continued decay of these institutions.

01:09:47.700 And that's why I've said that, that so much is riding on John Durham and his team, which

01:09:55.060 really is kind of the future of these, these institutions in our country.

01:09:58.320 I remember watching you push back against these narratives about, about Trump.

01:10:03.960 And I remember thinking, I have no idea what the truth is.

01:10:07.740 There's no freaking clue at that point.

01:10:09.580 You know, I mean, you guys were just putting it together.

01:10:11.640 You were putting it together and you push back.

01:10:14.260 And I remember seeing what the media did to you and thinking, my God, either he is a complete

01:10:19.360 stooge who knows nothing, who's for some reason taken a huge risk to his reputation,

01:10:25.420 or he's telling the truth.

01:10:27.440 And the media can't stand it here.

01:10:29.100 And you, we have an answer to that.

01:10:30.980 I mean, there, that is a factual thing that one can know.

01:10:34.400 And now we know that you were telling the truth, that they tried to destroy you because

01:10:38.560 what you said went against their narrative.

01:10:40.880 And it's a pattern that they have repeated way too many times.

01:10:44.240 Let's spend a couple minutes before you go on truth social.

01:10:47.620 So it had some trouble getting off the ground.

01:10:50.760 It had a lot of people who wanted to get on, who couldn't get on and so on.

01:10:53.320 My understanding is it's running better now.

01:10:55.580 But what is it?

01:10:56.460 Is it like a Twitter?

01:10:57.480 Is it like a Facebook?

01:10:59.300 And how are you going to make it work when Trump reportedly says he's not really going

01:11:02.760 to do much on there until it gets more traction?

01:11:06.000 Well, that's so.

01:11:06.820 So a lot of that, you know, once again, it's basically been fake news, right?

01:11:10.280 So so I took, you know, we just that's a startup company took over in January.

01:11:14.960 Both President Trump and I said, look, we're not going to do anything till the end of the

01:11:18.840 first quarter in terms of being available for the full public.

01:11:23.160 So what we did do, though, is we started beta testing.

01:11:25.380 Actually, in early February, we started beta testing and we slowly were adding people.

01:11:30.080 We had an overwhelming number of people sign up that wanted to be on that on the app.

01:11:34.780 And we just couldn't take them yet because we're not doing things like relying on these

01:11:38.380 big tech companies.

01:11:39.220 We're building we were building out of our whole entire cloud so that we can't be canceled

01:11:44.300 because we want to protect our users and our user base.

01:11:48.120 So kind of what happened, Megan, was is that that as we were rolling out and we had a huge

01:11:52.760 wait list, which, by the way, was the plan.

01:11:55.800 That's a good sign.

01:11:56.520 The fake news, the fake news said, oh, it's a disaster.

01:11:59.400 You know, nobody's on it. 1.00

01:12:00.720 It's like, hey, morons, did you not see what we've been saying? 0.95

01:12:03.520 And then lo and behold, middle of April, we opened up Rumble Cloud wide open so everybody 0.96

01:12:08.860 can go to the Apple App Store and download.

01:12:10.340 And by the way, then it was 10 days in a row, like number one on the Apple App Store.

01:12:14.860 And I think the fake news media didn't know what to do.

01:12:16.580 We were even ahead of Twitter, who was taking up all the oxygen in the room.

01:12:21.220 We're actually ahead of them.

01:12:22.820 This was during the kind of the whole when Elon Musk was going to buy them is essentially

01:12:26.840 when we when we launched on Apple.

01:12:29.740 And now in the coming days, we're actually going to be open for our web browser.

01:12:33.780 We're beta testing that now have been for a while.

01:12:36.640 And we're going to go live with that here just in a matter of a few days.

01:12:40.040 So, you know, the truth is, is that we're the fastest growing social media company, I

01:12:44.380 would argue, in history.

01:12:45.740 Nobody's added more users like we have.

01:12:47.700 And we're only on the Apple App Store and only in the United States of America, I will

01:12:52.120 add.

01:12:53.140 So so what we're you know, so I've had to just kind of deal with that, like these fake

01:12:56.820 news narratives, which good thing is, is I'm I'm I'm used to it.

01:13:00.360 Donald Trump now is on there.

01:13:01.900 He's posting four or five, six, seven times a day.

01:13:04.680 And our goal is to be a place where you can't be canceled.

01:13:08.680 You're not going to be censored politically.

01:13:10.900 But also, more importantly, what we're looking at is, is, you know, people have migrated to

01:13:17.200 Instagram and TikTok are where the kind of the consumer is.

01:13:21.860 And so we need a platform.

01:13:23.340 So we do a lot of what we already do, what Twitter can do.

01:13:27.020 But I would say we have really good pictures and our and we have really good video.

01:13:30.900 And our goal is to have a real component like Instagram has with video, but still be a place

01:13:36.860 for content creators like yourself, where you can easily post links and get clicks, because

01:13:42.160 I think that's one of the problems with Instagram.

01:13:43.820 Instagram sucks you in.

01:13:44.900 They keep you there. 0.90

01:13:45.900 They keep people there for a long time.

01:13:47.840 But Megyn Kelly doesn't get very many clicks. 0.99

01:13:50.400 You may get views, but you don't get actual clicks down to your podcast.

01:13:54.000 Somebody may watch it for five minutes, but they don't click and actually download your

01:13:57.260 your podcast.

01:13:58.260 So we're looking at that's where the market is.

01:14:00.620 There's there.

01:14:01.240 There are, you know, hundreds of millions of Americans that are and people around the

01:14:04.760 globe.

01:14:05.200 What if I go on there and I say something not nice about President Trump?

01:14:09.020 Do I do my link still work?

01:14:10.900 Oh, my God.

01:14:11.320 It happens all the time.

01:14:13.080 I'm only teasing.

01:14:13.880 No, I know.

01:14:14.280 Oh, yeah.

01:14:14.560 I got to go.

01:14:15.140 I got to go.

01:14:15.640 But so I need a quick answer on this.

01:14:16.800 But what do you believe he's really going to stay off Twitter?

01:14:19.800 He says he's not going back on Twitter.

01:14:21.360 Yeah, Twitter.

01:14:22.140 That's an interesting case.

01:14:23.160 I was making the case about Instagram and I've been saying this for a while.

01:14:26.680 We don't we spend any time at True Social that we spend worrying about about Twitter

01:14:31.500 is a waste of our time.

01:14:33.240 And I know that in kind of you're seeing this now in the last few days with Elon Musk, where

01:14:37.400 he came out and said that that it's five percent, you know, that it's it's greater than

01:14:41.760 five percent or bots or fake accounts.

01:14:43.320 What I've said and I'll and I'll stick by this, it's a lot closer on Twitter to being

01:14:48.280 five percent only real accounts than it is to being only five percent fake account.

01:14:54.060 So normal people and I'm not no offense to you, Megan, but look, celebrities, Hollywood

01:15:00.040 people, you know, political hacks, you know, old political people like myself.

01:15:04.340 Yeah.

01:15:04.640 Those types of people are on Twitter.

01:15:06.320 It's like an echo chamber for blue checkers to go argue with one another. 1.00

01:15:09.360 It's annoying.

01:15:09.820 But I promise you, if you go to kind of your high school friends or college friends and

01:15:13.900 you say, how many of you in the room are on are on Twitter?

01:15:17.740 And I guarantee you, probably only your hand would go up, Megan.

01:15:21.140 Yeah.

01:15:21.740 Well, there would be nobody else.

01:15:22.920 Now, Instagram, Twitter, I tell you, I don't spend that much time on it.

01:15:26.400 Like, you know, I mean, you're you're boss now.

01:15:29.340 Trump used to tweet 58 times a day that that was like an actual stat.

01:15:33.540 I just can't do it.

01:15:34.460 I'm just I have too busy a life.

01:15:36.260 I just and he did, too, but he had people helping him.

01:15:38.980 Listen, I hope it succeeds.

01:15:40.600 We need more competition in this space, not less.

01:15:43.020 And we need less censorship and we need more commitment to the full expression of values,

01:15:47.320 even conservative values.

01:15:48.480 Oh, oh, the horror.

01:15:51.580 So I support the mission and I hope it does really well.

01:15:55.260 Devin, it's a pleasure.

01:15:56.040 It's a pleasure talking to you.

01:15:56.940 I hope you come back.

01:15:58.080 Absolutely.

01:15:58.640 We'll watch this Durham stuff closely.

01:16:00.680 All right.

01:16:00.980 All the best to you.

01:16:01.640 So coming up, Christian Walker is here.

01:16:05.060 So excited to talk to him.

01:16:06.560 And I know you're going to love this exchange.

01:16:11.360 So excited for our next guest.

01:16:13.540 It's Christian Walker.

01:16:15.480 He's a very popular conservative commentator.

01:16:18.080 He happens to be the son of NFL legend and Georgia Senate candidate Herschel Walker.

01:16:22.220 And he is a social media influencer with millions of TikTok and Instagram followers who has been

01:16:29.440 requested many times by our listeners.

01:16:31.680 And I have become a fan, too, thanks to my hairstylist who introduced me to Christian.

01:16:37.180 Christian, so glad to have you here.

01:16:38.940 Welcome.

01:16:39.700 Thank you for having me.

01:16:40.920 I'm so excited.

01:16:42.500 Me, too.

01:16:43.260 She I told her I'm like, today is the day, Sarah.

01:16:45.860 She was like, oh, my God, I'm dying.

01:16:47.500 She loves you.

01:16:48.660 And she's the one who started started playing me your Instagram videos.

01:16:52.100 And they're so funny.

01:16:53.560 I always get a laugh.

01:16:54.820 You always say smart things.

01:16:56.100 You're fearless.

01:16:57.080 So let's start with how did you get to be this way?

01:16:59.800 How did you get to be totally fearless in your political commentary and your willingness to express

01:17:04.620 your even controversial opinions?

01:17:06.900 So it just happened very naturally when what I call the BLM terrorist attacks were overtaking 0.73

01:17:13.500 the country.

01:17:14.060 And I watched my city.

01:17:15.580 I live in Los Angeles.

01:17:16.680 I watched it go up in flames one day.

01:17:19.720 And then I went on Instagram and I saw everyone posting black squares supporting the violence. 0.58

01:17:25.180 I didn't have any friends that were speaking out against it.

01:17:28.180 I felt like I wanted to voice my opinion.

01:17:30.720 And from there, I just started talking about all of my different political takes.

01:17:34.640 And it just took off.

01:17:36.060 But yeah, I tried to add in a little bit of humor with everything that even if it's a serious

01:17:43.080 topic, I think it's super important to add in humor.

01:17:45.440 And so I try to seek to do that every day.

01:17:48.320 Yes, I will.

01:17:49.040 I'll get to some of the ones.

01:17:50.020 I'll show you my favorite one in a minute.

01:17:51.380 But one of the ones that went totally viral was about Joe Biden, right?

01:17:56.020 What was it?

01:17:56.620 The was it?

01:17:58.400 The you ain't black comment that he made?

01:18:00.460 Yes.

01:18:02.060 I even think President Trump retweeted that one.

01:18:04.980 Or that was one of my first really big ones when he said, you ain't black.

01:18:09.320 And it was just very interesting that it's funny how the left is always talking about

01:18:14.260 racism and this and that.

01:18:15.720 Yet they're the ones who attribute certain characteristics or behaviors to a skin color.

01:18:21.240 I don't think how you vote or your political beliefs should determine what your skin color

01:18:26.800 is or determine who gets to tell you how to think.

01:18:31.400 So, yeah, that was one of the first big ones.

01:18:34.080 We have a little bit of that.

01:18:35.700 This is soundbite seven, which went totally viral.

01:18:38.800 Joe Biden, your comments disgusted me today.

01:18:42.680 Black America has been fighting stereotypes that we all have to speak a certain way, that we all

01:18:47.600 have to act a certain way and that we all have to vote a certain way for years.

01:18:52.080 You said if we don't vote for you, we ain't black.

01:18:56.000 Who are you to determine who's black and who's not?

01:18:59.360 Who are you to determine blackness? 0.95

01:19:01.960 You do not get a pass from racism just because you're an old white liberal. 0.99

01:19:07.100 You showed your true colors today, sir, and you lost a lot of black America today. 1.00

01:19:12.160 Thank God.

01:19:14.100 That's fascinating.

01:19:15.420 But did he get a pass on that?

01:19:17.160 Because I only hear conservatives ever raise that comment.

01:19:20.740 I think he absolutely did get a pass.

01:19:23.100 I think a lot of the left always gets a pass for their blatant racism.

01:19:26.740 And I'm not one.

01:19:28.120 I'm not a woke type who's always looking for someone to say something racist or finding

01:19:33.240 racism in what someone says.

01:19:35.080 But saying that someone isn't black because they don't behave in a way that you attribute

01:19:40.540 to, quote, unquote, blackness, I would think is racist.

01:19:45.320 Yeah.

01:19:45.900 And didn't wasn't it?

01:19:46.920 Who is it?

01:19:47.400 Was it Sonny Hostin on The View who just said black American is an oxymoron?

01:19:52.600 I mean, yeah, black, black American, black Republican. 0.90

01:19:56.060 Yes, always coming in with the crazy hot takes. 0.98

01:20:00.380 I feel like she tries to out crazy herself every single day.

01:20:03.200 I mean, it must be annoying. 0.97

01:20:04.580 Like we've had a lot of black conservatives on the show who are like, could you just spare 1.00

01:20:07.880 me the lecture?

01:20:09.120 It's just so it's so diminishing.

01:20:11.900 It's so offensive.

01:20:12.960 And they get away with it.

01:20:14.180 They get away with it with calling people like, you know, Clarence Thomas, Uncle Tom,

01:20:18.060 just because he's conservative.

01:20:19.680 There's an expectation.

01:20:21.120 You're supposed to be on one side of the aisle.

01:20:22.620 Yes, they don't allow you to think for yourself.

01:20:26.740 And everyone's always saying that.

01:20:28.620 But they think that they are the ones who get to dictate what you believe because of

01:20:33.160 your skin color.

01:20:34.180 There's no freedom of thought.

01:20:35.720 There's no room for freedom of thought on the left.

01:20:38.340 So you were at SMU, which is of the universities out there, somewhat friendly to conservatives.

01:20:44.540 You know, it's like it's a weird scale.

01:20:46.840 But I would say that that's probably more friendly than than where you wound up.

01:20:50.800 So you voluntarily left SMU and transferred to UCLA and you've you've documented some of

01:20:57.260 what that's been like.

01:20:58.000 But from where I sit, it's been terrible.

01:21:00.260 They've been terrible to you.

01:21:02.220 It's been horrific.

01:21:03.940 Don't even ask me why I left SMU.

01:21:06.080 I was having a wonderful time.

01:21:07.760 I just wanted to be intellectually pushed a little bit more.

01:21:10.980 And I'm really happy that I did wind up transferring to UCLA because of the battles I've

01:21:15.320 gotten in and because I've been able to showcase how insane the left is on campus.

01:21:21.240 But they've been nothing but horrible.

01:21:23.300 The professors, the students conspire against me.

01:21:26.260 They threaten me.

01:21:27.520 I have to walk around campus with security every single day or every day that I have class.

01:21:33.120 My parents send me with a security guard because they're nervous I'm going to be beat

01:21:36.840 up on the campus.

01:21:38.460 Well, it seems well founded.

01:21:40.220 I mean, have you been attacked before?

01:21:42.760 I remember seeing some sort of post about that.

01:21:45.500 And then I definitely saw posts where they're saying how they want to hurt you. 0.99

01:21:50.020 Yes, they say they want to beat my ass on campus, on Bruin Walk, a certain a certain 0.99

01:21:54.880 section of UCLA. 0.99

01:21:56.500 So it would be very weird and nerve wracking to to go on campus without without a little

01:22:01.660 bit of protection.

01:22:02.820 Oh, my goodness.

01:22:03.580 So it's I mean, this sort of tolerant, right, the far left society that's on campus, I'm sure

01:22:09.100 at UCLA, that's certainly what I mean, if you were a you're out as a gay man, if you

01:22:15.080 were a black gay man saying liberal things, there's no way they tolerate any of this against

01:22:20.280 you. 0.97

01:22:20.600 Right.

01:22:20.860 But they're the ones perpetrating it against you because you happen to lean conservative.

01:22:24.960 It's insane because I check all of the woke identity boxes. 1.00

01:22:28.680 I mean, certain facets of my identity would be stereotypical or what the woke left worships.

01:22:35.900 Yeah, because I don't think how they expect me to think and because I don't think how my

01:22:42.560 demographic typically thinks they hate me and they really show they really show their

01:22:47.640 true colors, which is far from tolerant.

01:22:49.900 The most anti-tolerant people in the world.

01:22:52.900 And what blows my mind is they love talking about how it's the South who's intolerant.

01:22:57.300 I grew up in the South and I was judged based on my character.

01:23:00.640 Yet in liberal sections of the country, it seems that people are judged simply based off

01:23:05.700 facets of their identity, such as skin color and and sexuality. 0.97

01:23:09.680 And that's ridiculous. 0.85

01:23:11.300 What do you make of it? 0.91

01:23:12.060 I mean, what you just this morning, I was at my daughter's school where they're hiring

01:23:16.860 a new head of school and we get to interview the potential candidates and ask our questions.

01:23:21.360 And at each one of these, we've heard about DEI and the commitment to DEI, diversity and

01:23:27.040 equity and inclusion and how important it is.

01:23:29.600 And I wonder, like, as a as a black man who thinks more conservatively, how those programs

01:23:37.460 grab you?

01:23:38.780 I think it's demeaning because I don't need a special program to give me special rights

01:23:44.500 to be able to succeed.

01:23:45.600 I can succeed based on working hard.

01:23:47.820 But clearly, the left doesn't believe that.

01:23:50.680 And I think it's a mix of demeaning, quote, unquote, people of color. 1.00

01:23:55.320 I effing hate that term.

01:23:56.960 It's the worst.

01:23:57.740 It's so weird. 0.97

01:23:58.840 But demeaning people of color, as well as trying to seek revenge against white people.

01:24:04.840 I think that's what these programs are based off of.

01:24:07.860 Now, maybe our audience is getting a feel for why these kinds of discussions happen in the

01:24:13.340 classes that you have the nerve to attend after paying tens of thousands of dollars.

01:24:17.820 To go there.

01:24:18.820 This was apparently from a Chinese class.

01:24:21.800 And I know you speak.

01:24:23.240 You have a degree, I think, in that talking about keeping you out of their class by asking,

01:24:29.640 quote, not to be grouped with him. 1.00

01:24:31.720 Somebody writes, I want to bully his sorry ass so bad. 0.99

01:24:35.840 They're horrified to find out that you're in the class. 1.00

01:24:38.560 One says, I need to find the proper way to say you're a effing piece of shit in Mandarin. 1.00

01:24:43.660 So I can practice that with him. 1.00

01:24:45.940 Somebody says, oh, my God, I just stayed after class and explained to somebody that about you.

01:24:51.700 And she was just like, yeah, I know about him.

01:24:53.760 But unfortunately, my goal in this class is to teach Chinese.

01:24:56.200 So I guess it's your teacher.

01:24:57.120 So I am not allowed to judge him.

01:24:58.780 But if students request not to be grouped with him, then I can accommodate those requests.

01:25:02.180 My God, my God.

01:25:03.840 And you respond saying, I'm not a victim.

01:25:06.180 I don't care that a couple of miserable people with pronouns in their bio don't like me.

01:25:10.360 But I'd like to point something out. 0.96

01:25:11.760 If I was the same person I am, Black, attracted to men, but I was on the left at UCLA, would expel these students.

01:25:19.480 Yes, 100 percent. 0.76

01:25:22.440 Absolutely.

01:25:23.260 And what's so crazy is you're supposed to go to college to be introduced to people who come from different walks of life and think differently than you.

01:25:30.740 So yet in 2022, on college campuses, students are conspiring with teachers to exclude people who have certain political beliefs.

01:25:39.440 I had another student, another classmate who emailed the teacher, I'm a Nazi because because of my because I'm a conservative.

01:25:48.200 So this is the sort of rhetoric and the sort of discrimination that that conservative students face on college campuses.

01:25:55.080 Now, it's not just, sadly, the students and some of these professors.

01:25:59.240 The university itself came for you.

01:26:02.640 They sent out some some tweets saying we understand some inappropriate or hateful comments have been made.

01:26:10.300 And I wasn't sure what it was about.

01:26:11.680 Here I have it.

01:26:12.300 The UCLA dean of students tweets out.

01:26:16.540 Dean of students is aware of remarks in which a student uses hurtful language on social media.

01:26:22.120 Here you go, Christian. 0.86

01:26:23.020 The words we use online can hurt or heal.

01:26:26.480 While freedom of speech may protect the right to make offensive statements, we encourage our students to exercise their rights in a way that is principled, thoughtful and respectful.

01:26:35.760 And what they mean is leftist.

01:26:38.000 What did you make of that?

01:26:39.220 Exactly.

01:26:41.040 So I had said the word retard in reference to I said that a lot of times the N word is weaponized against white people. 0.59

01:26:49.260 So black people will call each other the N word all the time, rap about it in their songs. 1.00

01:26:53.520 And then if a white person happens to rap along to a popular song, suddenly they're enemy number one. 0.98

01:26:59.460 They need to be fired from their job. 0.98

01:27:00.880 And I called that idea retarded. 1.00

01:27:02.220 This prompted a million emails from leftists who want me expelled from school.

01:27:08.460 The dean of students winded up tweeting that out.

01:27:11.520 But it's funny because fellow students talk about beating me up.

01:27:15.800 They call me racist slurs.

01:27:17.640 They call me slurs that would that would get them expelled if I was a leftist.

01:27:21.320 But they're not punished.

01:27:22.840 It's all about me because because I'm a conservative and I don't believe in this race Marxism and the insanity that takes place on college.

01:27:30.500 Mm hmm.

01:27:31.360 It's so great.

01:27:32.200 You have the perspective and the strength to be able to to know that, to know why they continue to target you, because, you know, it can be stressful to see this to have this amount of incoming.

01:27:42.700 And there's a lot of nastiness and threats and hate and so on.

01:27:45.980 So how do you does that affect you at all?

01:27:47.660 I always say I know there's so many conservative students that don't have my platform and really are utilizing college or at least their undergrad degree to be accepted to a med program or go to law school so they don't have the courage to speak up.

01:28:03.900 They're they're scared that professors will punish them grade wise.

01:28:07.420 So if I can use my platform and my position and and my how blessed I've been to shed light on what's taking place on campuses and help end the discrimination against conservative students, I'm happy to do that, even if it means backlash.

01:28:24.600 That's awesome.

01:28:25.600 I just love that so much.

01:28:26.920 So you now you I refer to you as a gay man, which I shouldn't have done. 1.00

01:28:30.880 You don't like that term.

01:28:32.220 You use it.

01:28:33.120 You're you're you say the way you the way you like it.

01:28:36.940 I don't. 1.00

01:28:37.780 I think I call the gay world and the LGBTQ ABCD crazy crap, the rainbow cult. 1.00

01:28:45.680 And I don't even want to be attached into that. 0.99

01:28:48.520 I don't agree with the lifestyle. 0.99

01:28:49.820 I don't need to go to a pride month every or a pride march every pride month and walk around the streets naked and have sex behind the dumpster to know I'm attracted to men. 0.99

01:28:59.380 I'm attracted to men. 0.98

01:29:00.560 That's where it ends.

01:29:01.660 So I differentiate myself by saying I'm attracted to men. 0.99

01:29:05.020 Don't put that ghetto trash G word on me. 0.99

01:29:07.860 I love that. 0.95

01:29:09.020 OK, so now this is one of the ways in which I was introduced to you, because it was after I remember what it was after that I found this meme.

01:29:16.700 Um, there was that tweet where the one guy tweeted out a picture of his wife shoveling the driveway and he was like, she just came home from working overnight all night at the hospital.

01:29:28.940 And now look at her. 0.66

01:29:30.320 She's out there. 0.98

01:29:31.500 It was like, what the hell is a Canadian guy? 1.00

01:29:35.640 Everybody was just raining shit on this guy for like, what do you what do you why would you be tweeting this? 1.00

01:29:39.560 You know, and he's like, oh, I made her breakfast. 0.99

01:29:41.040 I remember being like 100 percent.

01:29:42.240 He did not make her breakfast.

01:29:43.020 But that is when I saw the following from you.

01:29:47.380 Hold on.

01:29:47.640 I got to find it.

01:29:48.280 My soundbite list is so long.

01:29:49.480 Let me find it.

01:29:50.840 Uh, this is it.

01:29:52.440 I think it is back.

01:29:53.980 Yes, here it is.

01:29:54.920 Hold on.

01:29:55.440 Soundbite eight.

01:29:56.120 It was the last part.

01:29:57.040 Watch this.

01:29:57.680 I'm not for the draft.

01:29:58.820 I'm just saying our men used to be drafted into war to protect us.

01:30:02.460 And now they're putting their mask on in between bites while they eat because they're scared of fresh air.

01:30:07.020 Bring our men back.

01:30:08.900 Where's our men?

01:30:09.760 Can we bring our big, strong muscle protectors back?

01:30:19.300 What happened to them?

01:30:20.640 They're at pride marches.

01:30:22.560 So true.

01:30:23.980 I love it.

01:30:24.900 Bring our men back.

01:30:25.840 Where's our men?

01:30:26.700 I couldn't agree more.

01:30:27.840 It's like it's fine.

01:30:28.760 Takes all types.

01:30:29.480 But it's not like, you know, there's a very large space missing if you take back our manly men.

01:30:34.520 Something that you tried to make the point on in another very funny bit on TikTok.

01:30:38.760 This is why he's so popular, everybody.

01:30:40.500 This is soundbite 12 on feminism.

01:30:44.040 Women. 0.81

01:30:44.520 So I know a lot of y'all are big feminists and into the E word equality. 1.00

01:30:49.360 But we can be equal and do different things.

01:30:51.900 Why would you want to go to war and do the big muscle man stuff?

01:30:56.080 I don't even want to do the big muscle man stuff.

01:30:58.540 Let's stay home.

01:30:59.740 Let's go shopping.

01:31:00.900 Let's get a coffee at 2 p.m.

01:31:02.420 Let's take cute Instagram pics.

01:31:04.160 And let's leave the hard work to the muscle men. 0.98

01:31:07.620 Let's let them do it.

01:31:08.660 They can take care of us.

01:31:09.680 They can provide.

01:31:10.660 I don't want to do that stuff.

01:31:12.240 And if I don't want to do it, then I'm sure y'all don't want to do it.

01:31:15.440 We'll do the fun stuff and they can do the hard stuff.

01:31:17.760 See, we can still be equal, but we don't need to do the same tasks.

01:31:21.400 We'll leave them to do the dirty tasks and we'll do the fun ones like baking cookies when

01:31:26.940 they come home.

01:31:30.140 It's so funny because all the response to that video came from all the like Marxist far

01:31:36.900 left feminists.

01:31:37.820 And they were like, he's right.

01:31:39.520 That's exactly what I want.

01:31:40.880 And I'm like, this is literally traditional conservatism just packaged in a fun way.

01:31:45.920 And you say that's what you want.

01:31:48.860 Well, that's actually something that you focus on.

01:31:50.780 Like it's kind of a message that you have for conservatives, like conservatism doesn't

01:31:54.120 need to be like old and dodgy, stodgy and boring.

01:31:58.180 It can be fun.

01:31:59.460 And that's sort of captured in how you do like your Starbucks video every day.

01:32:02.420 Like talk to us about your approach and why you do it the way you do.

01:32:06.000 Well, I know that the left has a big hold on young people.

01:32:09.360 They dominate Hollywood.

01:32:10.760 They dominate the media.

01:32:11.920 They dominate social media platforms.

01:32:13.780 A lot of the big influencers outside of the political space are leftist multinational companies

01:32:20.040 bow down to the woke left and they're fun.

01:32:22.720 They're colorful.

01:32:23.460 They're sparkly.

01:32:24.300 They push their political messages in fun ways.

01:32:27.260 So I see why it's attractive to young people who aren't in touch and maybe have never been

01:32:31.980 introduced to conservatism except from the woke left.

01:32:35.740 So if we have any chance of winning the culture back and specifically winning young people back,

01:32:41.120 we need to preach our messages in fun ways.

01:32:43.540 It doesn't need to be buttoned up and stuffy.

01:32:45.640 It doesn't need to be with a suit and tie every time.

01:32:48.360 Of course, we need that.

01:32:49.760 We need the professionalism and we also need the button down fun.

01:32:52.960 And so I try to bring that that aspect to my to my political commentary.

01:32:58.280 We need soundbite 10 before we go any further.

01:33:00.280 It's a follow up in the last point.

01:33:01.540 Go ahead.

01:33:02.460 I like my man big and muscular.

01:33:07.200 Oh, sorry.

01:33:08.040 I'm just making a video.

01:33:09.960 Yeah, thanks.

01:33:14.040 Anyways.

01:33:17.180 Pulls down the shades.

01:33:18.560 We are like super feminizing men these days.

01:33:24.020 And it is like, I thank you for being our ambassador.

01:33:29.000 Little irony thrown in there, a little humor and a lot of fun.

01:33:33.080 And, you know, speaking of manly men, your dad's looking pretty good in this Georgia Senate race.

01:33:38.620 How do you feel about it?

01:33:40.260 He's doing great.

01:33:41.340 The primary is coming up soon.

01:33:43.260 I'm not super involved in the campaign, but I know he's about to slaughter that primary,

01:33:47.180 which will be fun to watch.

01:33:48.740 And then I think it's a tough race.

01:33:50.460 I think, you know, a lot of Republicans, a lot of conservatives.

01:33:53.700 I think we have a chronic problem of overconfidence sometimes.

01:33:56.900 And so I really just want to see it through.

01:33:58.920 Continue working hard.

01:34:00.380 Continue hitting the proper issues so we can take back the House and the Senate in November.

01:34:05.440 It's not a done deal just yet.

01:34:07.780 However, with my dad, he's raising tons of money.

01:34:10.220 And I think they're going to wind up doing a good job.

01:34:13.120 Hugely popular and endorsed by Trump, which has worked out well for a lot of guys so far.

01:34:17.500 Christian, what a pleasure.

01:34:19.040 I hope you'll come back.

01:34:20.640 You're too fun not to know on an ongoing basis.

01:34:23.660 It was an honor.

01:34:24.560 Thank you for having me.

01:34:25.820 Oh, the pleasure was mine.

01:34:26.740 You can find him on Instagram, Twitter, TikTok.

01:34:28.840 He is a must follow.

01:34:30.340 Need I say more?

01:34:31.180 Let's hear it again.

01:34:32.000 Sound by 10.

01:34:33.000 I'm not for the draft.

01:34:34.180 I'm just saying our men used to be drafted into war to protect us.

01:34:37.720 And now they're putting their mask on in between bites while they eat because they're scared of fresh air.

01:34:42.460 Bring our men back!

01:34:44.300 Where's our men?

01:34:47.200 Where's our men?

01:34:49.180 Love him.

01:34:50.280 Well, if you want a real man, you should stay tuned to this show this week because we are going to have Jonathan Isaac with us this week.

01:34:57.500 Remember him?

01:34:58.040 He's the NBA player who refused to kneel for the national anthem and then refused to get the vaccine.

01:35:02.600 You can imagine what happened to him.

01:35:03.740 He's got a new book out.

01:35:05.060 Fascinating guy.

01:35:06.100 He'll be here.

01:35:07.160 In the meantime, download The Megyn Kelly Show on Apple, Pandora, Spotify, and Stitcher.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - May 16, 2022

Horrific Buffalo Shooting Gets Grossly Politicized, with Brandon Tatum, Christian Walker, and Devin Nunes ｜ Ep. 322

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