A gunman opened fire in a busy grocery store in Buffalo, New York, and killed at least 10 people, including a grandmother and her grandchild. The suspect has been identified as an 18-year-old white male with no criminal history and an extensive criminal record.
00:01:35.080Can you imagine just trying to shop for your groceries and some lunatic is in there trying to kill you and your children?
00:01:40.380A dad hiding with his eight-year-old daughter in a freezer to escape the gunfire.
00:01:45.12065-year-old Celestine Chaney was there with her sister, looking to pick up some shrimp for her husband and strawberries because she wanted to make strawberry shortcake.
00:01:54.580As the bullets started flying, she and her sister ran.
00:01:57.400Her sister made it out, but Celestine, a grandmother of six, did not.
00:02:02.020When it was all over, ten people were dead.
00:03:00.040We will not be naming the shooter on this program consistent with our policy of not naming mass shooters who in part are out for infamy and we decline to help.
00:03:09.900He's pleaded not guilty, but he also left behind a trove of information, including a 180-page manifesto filled with racist and anti-Semitic commentary.
00:03:21.880The shooter was white, detailing how and why he picked his target.
00:03:26.480Some in the media have been quick to point fingers and even place blame on our friend and very popular Fox News host, Tucker Carlson.
00:03:37.100It's wrong, both factually and morally.
00:03:40.200Why do we have to go to that place immediately on these stories?
00:03:44.680Why can't we spend two fucking minutes mourning the people who are dead and trying to understand that we have insane people in this country?
00:04:14.660This is this is a person who wrote for the New Yorker and was fired for wrongly claiming that an ice worker had a Nazi tattoo on his arm.
00:04:23.980In fact, it was his platoon's sign from when he served our nation honorably in Afghanistan, trying to protect this lunatic so-called journalist who then tried to defame him when he went on to work for ICE.
00:04:38.300This woman now or in between she worked for Media Matters.
00:04:41.340Now she works for Rolling Stone, publishing a piece today, the headline of which was the Buffalo shooter isn't a lone wolf.
00:06:24.400We pray for the families that have lost their loved ones who are just shopping at a grocery store because a person wants to be a lunatic and take his own ideologies and take them personal against people that have nothing to do with what he's saying.
00:06:36.240Instead of them having the condolences for those family members, they want to make it about politics.
00:06:43.020There is no other person on planet Earth that's responsible for what happened in Buffalo but the person who pulled the trigger on that gun.
00:06:52.620And I don't want to hear from either side about who's more responsible than who is.
00:06:56.700It is wrong for someone to do that to innocent people and to do that in general, to murder people based on the difference of ideologies.
00:07:07.480And these Democrats, they are looking for opportunities to make a rift between people so that they can leverage votes in the midterms and in the 2024 election.
00:07:19.300I'm almost confident that that's what they're doing.
00:07:24.440Buffalo has one of the, at least New York has one of the strictest, they have some of the strictest gun laws that I have ever seen.
00:07:31.960But that's not going to stop a person who's a criminal.
00:07:34.060No, restricting guns from law-abided citizens is not the solution to the problem.
00:07:38.660Blaming white people and claiming white supremacy as the leading cause of issues in our country is not going to fix the issue.
00:07:46.560They are just funneling lies and propaganda.
00:07:49.700If you look at any statistical data, if you want to go to the data, it appears to me that minority groups like Asians and black people are disproportionately represented in mass shootings.
00:08:26.800No, he called himself, he calls himself a left-wing authoritarian and, quote, a populist.
00:08:34.100He says, on the political compass, I fall in the mild to moderate authoritarian left, and I would prefer to be called a populist.
00:08:42.980He spoke passionately of, this is quoting from Glenn Greenwald, who has gone through the manifesto word for word.
00:08:48.840He spoke passionately on the centrality and necessity of environmentalism, lamented that the state has long since heavily lost to its corporate backers,
00:08:58.540ranted against corporate profits and the ever-increasing wealth of the 1% that exploit the people for their own benefit,
00:09:05.120vehemently rejected any admiration for political conservatism, but made clear he viewed it as an enemy to his agenda.
00:09:12.340Conservatism is corporatism in disguise.
00:10:57.160And our system is terrible at even once we've red flagged these people, finding a way to deprive them of their civil liberties for a temporary basis so we can figure out what to do with them so they don't unleash more hell on society.
00:11:11.300And this guy, indeed, one year ago, June 8th, 2021, police were called to his high school in Conklin, New York, and they had him brought in, I guess, for a mental health evaluation.
00:11:22.640And then nothing was done. We don't know why he spent a day and a half at the hospital.
00:11:27.360He was released. We had no further contract with law enforcement thereafter.
00:11:31.740But my take on this is there are lunatics in this country.
00:11:35.900We can try to red flag them. We should be much more liberal with civil confinement while we figure out just how big a danger they are to society.
00:11:43.220But they're motivated by all sorts of things. And to try to blame this on a television host is also insane.
00:11:49.880These people are deranged. I don't think any. Now, both people are deranged.
00:11:55.780You have the people who are trying to blame Tucker Carlson, which he's never promoted violence.
00:11:59.760If anything, he always says speaks about not participating in violence and no rational person thinks that anyone on television should be directly responsible.
00:12:10.260But these individuals that are like the one who did the shooting in Buffalo, they are extremely mentally deranged.
00:12:18.300There is something really wrong with them.
00:12:20.140They have not connected with humans in society in a way in which that's meaningful, because, like I said, I watched the video.
00:12:27.160And for a person to go out and shoot people in the way he did, he has no connection to human life.
00:12:32.620And to read his manifesto, and I read large portions of it, I'm going to try to finish reading the rest of it today.
00:12:38.500But, you know, he's disconnected with reality. His thought process is not normal.
00:12:44.560And I'm not trying to blame his parents 100 percent, but you would you would think as a parent myself that you have a responsibility to monitor your child
00:12:54.440and know when there's something off with your kid, when you look at him or you challenge him on some things, you try to hold him accountable.
00:13:02.440And he has a glazed over eyes and he's playing video games that are I would argue he's probably playing video games that are very violent,
00:13:10.700given the fact that he has no tactical experience in the way he was operating, you know.
00:13:15.440But as a parent, you have to monitor your children. You owe it to society to make sure your kid is OK.
00:13:20.600Why is your child threatening to shoot up a school that don't just come from nowhere?
00:13:26.240A kid is not growing up completely normal, have no issues.
00:13:30.120And then because he looks at the Internet once or twice, somehow he's OK with murdering innocent people driving three hours across town
00:13:38.400and still have the mentality that he's going to go through with it.
00:13:41.360That is a perpetuation of behavioral issues growing up that were exacerbated, in my opinion,
00:13:49.320probably during the 2020 period where kids were shut down, not being able to go to school and being able to be on the Internet more often than they should have been.
00:13:57.120So I think that there's a lot of blame to go around, isolated blame for him for pulling the trigger.
00:14:03.000But there's somewhat vicarious responsibility from people like parents and authorities who have had contact with him,
00:14:11.360who have already been warned that he was a dangerous individual.
00:14:15.940And this is not the first time this has happened.
00:14:18.500Many of these active shooters have already been in connection with FBI.
00:14:23.440Most of them, most of them have had some sort of dealings with either police, law enforcement or school authorities who have marked them as a potential problem.
00:14:31.920This kid at the issue in June of twenty twenty one was not issuing racist threats at his school,
00:14:38.420nor threats directed at a specific person or place.
00:14:42.040However, law enforcement told the Associated Press that this shooter, who was then 17,
00:14:47.960had threatened to shoot up Pennsylvania's Susquehanna High School around the time of graduation.
00:14:56.260It was just he wanted to shoot a bunch of people a year ago.
00:14:59.400Then he spends time on the Internet, obviously, following these mass shootings, which were racially motivated and finds new inspiration to kill a different group of innocent people.
00:15:36.920And if you did this, you know, look what happened in Waukesha, where a black man mowed down all these old, older people, these marching grannies.
00:15:59.300And it is to push their own political agenda, which is part of the reason why we never make progress on what's really driving these things.
00:16:15.580If you are an intelligent person and you want to get to the bottom of and find solutions, you may want to read to a certain degree this person's manifesto to see, to get insight on what is in the minds of this young man.
00:16:27.040And are these issues that are perpetuated in other young men?
00:16:32.180What are the issues that are going on?
00:16:34.800If you are just sitting and saying Tucker Carson is the issue, that's not going to stop the next kid from doing what he's doing, what this guy did.
00:17:01.740She's she's not that, you know, ignorant, but you're pushing an agenda to to gain favor in an election season.
00:17:09.900Yes, that's all that this is. And Democrats specifically, because I think they do this the worst, they need to tone down their rhetoric, especially lies and propaganda that they're pushing out there.
00:17:24.900When you get on television, I know people may not like to hear me say this, but when you get on television and you consistently talk about white people as if they're the enemy of our country,
00:17:36.520I found that fathers are not right in the eyes of Democrats, police officers are racist in the eyes of Democrats.
00:17:43.780Every white person has some level of white privilege, which puts them at an advantage over every black person in America.
00:17:50.460According to the Democrats, they do want to push that white people get pushed away from mainstream society.
00:17:57.160And when you continue to push this crazy rhetoric, not saying it's 100 percent their fault, but you better watch out for these lunatics that take that.
00:18:07.040And let me add this point to just like the dude in Waukesha.
00:18:11.700I forget. I hope I'm not saying it wrong in an individual in Dallas that shot up those police officers, murdered them in cold blood, only shooting white police officers.
00:18:21.500You know, the rhetoric that's being spewed that black people are under attack and that the white man is holding us back and we are no better off today than we were in slavery.
00:18:35.040That rhetoric, too, builds hatred and animosity within people and caused them to be radicalized.
00:18:41.860I think that the radical gentleman and I won't call him a gentleman.
00:18:46.180He's a he's an evil thug. The guy in Buffalo, I would argue that the divisive behavior and radicalization comes from some of the things that are being spewed.
00:18:58.060Some of the hatred rhetoric, some of it. I'm not saying that all of it are a majority of it, but some of that is coming from what these Democrats are spewing.
00:19:06.200And it's not based in truth. It's based in lies and hatred.
00:19:08.880He he actually had reportedly the names of one of the victims who was mowed down in Waukesha on his gun.
00:19:19.840So, I mean, who knows what this what this guy, what his real motivation was?
00:19:24.280I want to know more about what he wanted to do in June of twenty twenty one.
00:19:27.660And I realize it was very focused on race and he was an anti-Semite as well by the time he walked into that Buffalo grocery store.
00:19:35.040But we're not doing ourselves any favors by pretending this is the fault of a cable news host.
00:19:39.220The same is we didn't do ourselves any favors by if to the extent anybody thought Rachel Maddow was to blame for the Bernie Sanders supporter who went and shot Steve Scalise and four others.
00:19:50.440Even though that guy specifically said, unlike this guy, he was obsessed with Rachel Maddow.
00:19:54.940He loved her show. He was a huge fan. Right.
00:19:57.500So he he was listening to all of her narratives about the GOP.
00:20:00.540And then he went up and shot a bunch of Republicans on a baseball field.
00:20:03.520That wasn't her fault. That was not her fault.
00:20:06.220This is not the fault of Tucker Carlson, who I don't know what they're the people he followed, the shooter in this case overseas, believed in something called a great replacement theory that was about white people panicking that there are too many people of color being brought into.
00:20:23.280Could it be Europe? Could be the United States, whatever country they were in, and that black people were going to outnumber white people.
00:20:29.840And so there was a panic of trying to or could be Muslims. It didn't have to be black people.
00:20:33.060And so that's what they use is the great replacement theory.
00:20:36.300That is that is not at all what Tucker Carlson talks about on his show.
00:20:41.780He he's pro-America first. He doesn't care whether you're black.
00:20:45.140He doesn't care whether you're white. Doesn't care whether you're Muslim.
00:20:47.220He's pro-America first. And he doesn't like illegal immigration, which is a totally mainstream Republican position used to be a mainstream Democrat position, too.
00:20:55.420I asked him about some of this blowback when he came on my show last September.
00:21:13.200Rather than convince the current population that our policies are working and they should vote for us as a result, we can't be bothered to do that.
00:21:21.120We're instead going to change the composition of the population and bring in people who will vote for us.
00:21:28.180So that's there isn't actually inherently a racial component to it.
00:21:33.040And obviously, I'm not going to stop saying it because they're saying it.
00:21:36.540They've written books about it and monographs and endless number of speeches.
00:21:40.800You know, immigration will make this a more democratic country.
00:22:14.460They try to get him by saying, oh, it's it's like a sister.
00:22:17.460You know, his argument is like a sister of what those mass shooters pursued.
00:22:22.540And therefore, this is his fault, even though there's absolutely no tie between Tucker and this shooter that the shooter, as far as we know, couldn't stand Fox News and didn't even know who Tucker was.
00:22:33.500I think that what they do is they strategically conflate a few different things and therefore they can find consistency wherever they want to plagiarize consistency in what anybody says.
00:22:43.620You know, I do. I personally think that there's an attack on white, straight men in this country.
00:22:48.500Does that mean that you're supposed to go out and kill people?
00:22:54.820And then you use your vote and you go out and run for office and do things that you think can make it make a difference.
00:23:00.360It is clear that they're trying to influx a different voting class into the United States of America through illegal immigration.
00:23:05.920Because when you see that black people in this country are falling away from the Democrat Party at the numbers in which we've seen over the last several years throughout Donald Trump's administration, they are panicking politically.
00:23:22.100And that's why when they go out to run for office or they have the presidential debate, they're starting to speak in Spanish.
00:23:55.140They want them to come here to America.
00:23:57.180They're willing to extract resources from the American citizens and our tax dollars to support these individuals with the hopes that one day they'll be able to grant massive citizenship to all of these people.
00:24:33.640He did not go to Waukesha, Wisconsin, when the dancing grandmothers got mowed down.
00:24:38.400And that headline on CNN was car car attacks parade goers.
00:24:43.880Not a black man who had written anti-white posts online and anti-Semitic posts online attacking white people because when it's that way, race has nothing to do with it.
00:25:13.980And make it this weird thing that, you know, it's crazy how instantaneously they've validated this manifesto because as soon as the shooting happened, there's emerged this manifesto and they they validated it.
00:25:29.900And in my opinion, initially, I was like, how do they know this is even real?
00:25:34.200How do they know this is not something somebody did recreated on his behalf?
00:25:39.840I mean, that's actually a very interesting point because they I've been through enough terrorist attacks here in the United States where it's committed by a Muslim man where they spend days before they'll say it's real.
00:25:52.320You know, this hateful document that he posted in justification of his actions.
00:26:02.100Now, I just want to show the audience what we're talking about, because there's such a wide smattering.
00:26:06.600I mean, this morning, every morning I listen to conservative news podcasts and liberal news podcasts to make sure no one's corrupting my brain.
00:26:13.700I don't want to be manipulated by anybody.
00:26:15.800And so I do put myself through the NPR up first podcast every morning.
00:26:22.040They were like and to their credit, they mentioned that there was absolutely no link in the manifesto to Tucker or saying the guy was a fan, but they blamed it on him.
00:28:35.300They see an opportunity to silence somebody who's got a very big platform and a very effective way of messaging on many things and who they perceive as a threat.
00:28:46.540First was the New York Times with this deep profile trying to say he's a racist.
00:28:50.320And now this they can't spend two minutes mourning the dead.
00:28:53.180They got to blame it on a cable news host.
00:28:55.560Yes, it's crazy that that they picked Tucker Carlson.
00:29:00.740I feel like they're going to get a man more publicity and then people are going to realize that they completely lied and that's not what he stands for.
00:29:08.540No, no, no Republicans stand for this stuff, man.
00:29:11.000Every Republican has come out very clearly and decisively and said this guy's a complete lunatic.
00:29:16.000It is it is asinine to me because they act as if every Republican is a is a white person.
00:29:22.080What about the black people who support Tucker Carlson and watch him every single day?
00:29:30.740According to your guy, Joe Biden, who's in my opinion, made a racist statement by saying I ain't black if I don't know who I want to vote for.
00:29:37.240You know, it's very it's very interesting how they're using some of these talking points as if they're receiving the one email and all of them get out there and say the same thing.
00:29:48.420You know, it's a complete double standard.
00:29:50.620You had mentioned the gentleman in New York.
00:29:52.400I don't like to call these people gentlemen.
00:29:53.640I try to be respectful as a southern guy.
00:29:56.080But these individual the individual in a New York City subway.
00:29:59.580I mean, his videos on YouTube were completely radical.
00:30:02.740He was he said he hated white people and that white people are the scum.
00:30:06.420Black people should not even have give or have relationships with white people.
00:30:22.180And I'll tell you this, people, I don't know what they're thinking.
00:30:25.260Like there's radical people on both sides.
00:30:27.340There are black people out here that adamantly hate white people and they attack them.
00:30:31.640Now, I'm going to make this point because I think if they want to be fair about making points and trying to hold people accountable based on rhetoric,
00:30:37.400then every rapper that I have heard in the last 15 years should all be indicted and go to prison.
00:30:43.940When you look at the murders that occur in the inner cities, 50 plus percent of all murders in this country are associated with black black males.
00:30:52.220And most of the victims are black males.
00:30:56.000And when you look at the rap music and the rhetoric from from that side of it, then how are they not vicariously responsible?
00:31:01.680How do they not responsible when when the music is telling other young brothers to kill each other and to murder people and to be sexually promiscuous?
00:31:09.640If you want to say Tucker's or someone using some of Tucker's talking points, potentially plagiarizing and taking it out of context and using it for evil,
00:31:18.700then you have to hold the hold the line in the same direction.
00:31:23.360If you're pushing Islam and you got the post city nightclub where a Muslim guy goes and kills 50 people or so, why is she not responsible?
00:31:32.440How is pushing Islam and Sharia law not responsible for that?
00:31:36.860If we're not going to hold everybody to the same account, then people need to shut up with making that comparison.
00:31:42.360I have to tell you, it's it's wrong, but it's also scary because unlike Trump, who took a lot of this, you know, kind of incoming, Tucker doesn't have a secret service protecting him.
00:31:57.600I'm not going to get into his security, but he's much more vulnerable.
00:32:00.740And I don't want to hear one more word about reporters crying in their soup over mean tweets and what a toxic environment the Internet is for reporters just trying to do their jobs who are now creating this kind of rhetoric about a guy hosting a cable news show who has defended black Americans, Muslim Americans, Jewish Americans, white Americans.
00:32:25.860Doesn't matter. He's about America first. And they don't they don't like it.
00:32:30.720And they are endangering him when there's this kind of a pile on trying to say this man at his cable news post is responsible for the death of 10 people.
00:32:39.720It's wrong. I say again, it's factually wrong. It's morally wrong and it's dangerous.
00:32:45.140We need to have an honest discussion about what drove this 18 year old to want to murder a bunch of people.
00:32:51.860And I'll tell you this last thing, Brandon, when I was at NBC, I did in-depth reporting on this because the shootings kept happening.
00:32:58.140It was right after Parkland. And I had on a bunch of mothers who had children they knew were sociopaths.
00:33:07.120They knew they were loving mothers, but they knew.
00:33:10.680And there is no place in this country for them to go.
00:33:16.020There's no facility in this country for them to bring their child.
00:33:20.460Mothers who are raising the red flag, never mind a school teacher, a principal, a Boy Scout leader.
00:33:29.220If you're going to have a psychotic break, this is about when it happens.
00:33:31.820But we need to be focusing once and for all on the absolutely deplorable mental health system for these kids and the absolutely nonexistent system for, yes,
00:33:43.100temporary depriving them of their civil liberties while we figure out what to do with people we understand are a risk to society.
00:33:55.780It's sad because if a kid want to transition, they got all kind of programs to cut the genitalia and let them become a transgender and puberty blockers and all kind of other stuff.
00:34:05.420But I feel like that they're dropping a ball with young people who have mental illness.
00:34:09.860It's no way you are functioning a young person.
00:34:12.660You're OK with just killing, murdering people like that.
00:34:26.140How do we get help for them without it turning violent?
00:34:30.180You call the police and they show up to assist and that family members become violent with the police.
00:34:36.280The police are going to have to defend themselves.
00:34:38.200And that's a lot of people are afraid to go down that path.
00:34:40.800So what what other options do we have for our parents to report their own children or to get them the help they need in a more meaningful way?
00:34:48.720I believe, personally, if the parents would have gotten this young man the help he needed for earlier on, maybe he wouldn't have taken his emotional ideologies and turned them into murder.
00:35:09.960And the facility, we need to build a facility because it doesn't exist.
00:35:13.520It needs to be a facility into which a loving parent would commit one's child.
00:35:19.360It can't be like some like, you know, Attica.
00:35:22.440It's got to be a facility into which a loving parent would commit his or her child.
00:35:27.660But it does have to be a secure facility.
00:35:30.660It can't it's it's going to have to have bars on the windows and the people who get committed there will not be able to leave until, in my view, it has to be sort of a diverse panel of experts who would have to determine whether this person is no longer a threat to society.
00:35:46.860We can save it for another day, but none of it will be looked into in the wake of this shooting, Brandon, because they want to talk about cable.
00:36:49.920Looked like Trump was doing something bad.
00:36:51.500He told the FBI, I'm just here as, you know, Joe Friday.
00:36:54.620Like, I just I saw this and it's bad and I'm not here on behalf of any client.
00:36:58.220I just, you know, I'm a good American.
00:37:00.780Durham, who's been now looking into these allegations, alleges that was a total lie.
00:37:05.320And that, in fact, Sussman was there visiting the FBI on behalf of the Hillary Clinton campaign and refused to disclose the fact that this is a political hit job.
00:37:14.660This is not concerned citizen behavior.
00:37:17.180Joining me now is someone who has waited a long time for this day in court.
00:37:19.660And that's former House Intelligence Committee chair Devin Nunes.
00:37:23.300Devin is now CEO of former President Trump's Media and Technology Group.
00:37:32.760Before we get to everything that's happening with Trump and the Sussman trial, let's just spend a minute on what happened in Buffalo.
00:37:40.960The reactions to what's happened have been just beyond the pale.
00:37:44.160And I read some of them with our last guest.
00:37:47.080But I know you've had your exchanges with Adam Schiff.
00:37:50.180Instead of, like, taking a moment to just reflect on what's happened here, the loss of life and, you know, the mental health crisis that we're facing in our country, he decides to tweet about Tucker Carlson.
00:38:38.840I mean, he clearly knew just – I know we're going to go into the Sussman case, but, you know, he was the main perpetrator of the Russia hoax.
00:38:45.900When I came out in early 2017 and said, hey, look, I don't see any intelligence here whatsoever that would say that Trump has anything to do with Russia, it was him and all of the Democrats there who continually said, oh, my God, it's there.
00:39:03.200So, you know, it's been a slippery slope for him and many of the other leaders where there's just nothing that they won't do, nothing that they won't say.
00:39:11.700I mean, you now have this, you know, the latest attack on the Supreme Court, leaks coming from the Supreme Court.
00:39:16.340So, you know, what happened, you know, in 15 and 16, which was, okay, it's just Donald Trump.
00:39:25.860And it doesn't matter how dirty we get because, you know, clearly everybody's going to cover for us and it got DOJ, FBI, all these people involved in this has now escalated to, you know, where you have, you know, tweets that go out accusing anybody they don't like of racism.
00:39:41.740I even saw Elise Stefanik, who's a congresswoman from New York, the highest ranked woman in Congress, highest ranked Republican.
00:39:50.960She's the number three in the House of Representatives right now for the Republicans.
00:39:54.600I mean, both her local New York paper and then I think even the Washington Post accused her of being a racist.
00:40:02.620And so, you know, look, I don't know what the basis is for it, but, you know, clearly it's kind of odd too, I think.
00:40:08.360And maybe some of your future guests can get into this, but it's like you have one of these tragic events or it's a shooting and then it triggers other shootings, right?
00:40:16.540Because we had one in California just yesterday, you know, a day after.
00:40:21.560And then, you know, there was one in Milwaukee the day before.
00:40:23.740It's strange what motivates these people, but, you know, a lot of times it is mental illness.
00:40:29.040And as someone who has been targeted multiple times by people with mental illness, it doesn't help when you have the left wing in this country gaslighting all over the place and, you know, making it sound okay that someone did some of this and try to push blame to people.
00:40:44.720Well, when we we've known for a long time, you know, there is a serious mental illness problem and, you know, it's almost consistently every time there's been one of these mass shootings, it's been something that, you know, potentially we could have could have been fixed if they had the right help.
00:41:00.120But as far as we know, I mean, our governor in New York state now is blaming the gun.
00:41:03.980We have to tight. We need tighter gun laws.
00:41:05.440Meanwhile, New York state has some of the tightest gun laws in the country.
00:41:08.520She's she's using this as an excuse to ask the Supreme Court to decide in her favor on the gun case that's pending before them right now, where they're trying to decide whether New York's very restrictive gun laws, where you cannot get a concealed carry, not open carry, a concealed carry permit unless you have some special circumstances.
00:41:25.380You basically have to prove that you're a crime victim.
00:41:40.420She used what happened yesterday in Buffalo as an excuse to try to say, you know, hope the court goes my way.
00:41:46.420As if that's concealed carry has anything to do with this.
00:41:50.040As someone who spent, you know, two decades in Washington.
00:41:53.580I mean, there are kind of these core, almost fanatical religious, you know, it's almost like a religion to them now.
00:42:02.180And that is, you know, you have to be, you know, for the Green New Deal, for all the extreme climate stuff, you have to be anti-gun and you have to be pro-abortion.
00:42:12.140And if you're not those three, you don't really you don't really make it out of a Democratic primary because the party is has lured so far to the left.
00:42:20.240I mean, I think when I first arrived in Congress, there used to be not a lot of Democrats that were pro-life and pro-Second Amendment.
00:42:29.260But but there was a there was a handful.
00:42:31.180I mean, it was it was a significant number.
00:42:33.000I can't I can't tell if it was 15 or 20, but it was a significant number.
00:42:37.400And now there's now there's like zero.
00:42:39.220Yep. The the the the view, forgive me for quoting a commentator on the view to you, but you mentioned Elise Stefanik, which is what made me think of it.
00:43:16.020If you are a Republican donor tweeting about how bad you feel about this, but you're donating to people like Elise Stefanik, you are part of the problem.
00:43:24.280And here begins the pile on on every Republican or their supporters.
00:43:30.300And it's very odd of all the people they they they pick Elise Stefanik.
00:43:33.860And so take you back just a few years when they've the left and the Democrats constantly said, oh, the Republicans, they, you know, they're a war on women.
00:43:41.700They're anti-woman. They don't have any women that are elected.
00:43:44.840It's all it's all just a bunch of guys.
00:43:47.000Well, what they failed to say is that Nancy Pelosi took it upon herself, spent extra money to defeat Republican women back in 2018 and 2020.
00:43:55.540So now, you know, what do they do? They know that Stefanik is is a very effective communicator, young lady.
00:44:02.340And I've worked with her for a long time. She was actually very instrumental in in dealing with Adam Schiff during the Russia hoax.
00:44:08.480So she's a very effective leader and happens to be, you know, not only that, but she's also a woman.
00:44:16.640So clearly, whatever they're they're clearly they have designs on her because they see her as a threat or people wouldn't be piling on like this.
00:44:24.920I mean, look, she's going to have from my perspective, she's got a massive defamation and slander case here against that local New York paper and probably The Washington Post and potentially even Navarro.
00:44:36.000And I don't know, you know, who she's I don't know. Is that is that NBC? I don't even know.
00:44:40.060I don't watch ABC. Yeah, ABC. I don't recommend it.
00:44:43.460We'll we'll watch it so you don't have to. No, you're absolutely right, because and it's almost, you know, in a way, a badge of honor, because if they're coming for you, it means they think you're effective and they feel threatened by you.
00:44:53.060But in this particular case, it's dangerous. It's just genuinely dangerous to try to tell the nation that she or Tucker, Paul Ryan, for goodness sake, somehow has moral responsibility or, in fact, actual responsibility,
00:45:05.280some sort of actual link to a guy who just committed mass murder. It isn't true.
00:45:09.940And remember, this is they've been very effective at this. Right. So, I mean, you know this because of your time at Fox.
00:45:16.200I mean, Fox and other Newsmax, One America News, they've been very effective at getting these woke corporations,
00:45:23.420which now I think probably 90 percent of the corporations in public companies in the United States are woke now or they have to, you know, pray to some woke God so they're not able to spend their advertising dollars.
00:45:35.540I mean, you look at you look at the shows that are on Fox, even though they have, you know, sometimes two, three, four, even five times the ratings, you know, you will not see, you know, and I'm not this is no this is no slam on Mike Lindell and the MyPillow guy.
00:45:50.160But, you know, you'll often see multiple MyPillow commercials. Now, why is MyPillow able to buy those is because the big corporates are throwing all their money to MSNBC, CNN and the other networks, you know,
00:46:02.360which you could argue is not even a good use of money because clearly there's a massive audience on these conservative networks.
00:46:08.700So, look, they're targeting Paul Ryan because they probably believe that they can get him and the Fox board to take to take some action.
00:46:15.100And look, and they won't stop there. Right. At first, it'll be they'll mention it in the press.
00:46:19.080And then the next thing they'll do is they'll start harassment. They'll start lawsuits. They'll start sending people to your home.
00:46:25.200You know, I know that because I've been dealing with it since I in 2017 came out and said that, hey, there's Donald Trump's not a Russian agent here.
00:46:34.880And the Republican Party is not under the control of Putin. And, you know, ever since then, you know, I have been constantly attacked and harassed.
00:46:43.280It just it doesn't stop. And they won't stop until unless they think they can defeat you.
00:46:47.520Right. That's what they want. So you have to stand up for that reason. That's right.
00:46:50.900Because what you were saying when you went against the grain and said, hold on, it's I'm on the intel committee.
00:46:56.120You don't have it. It isn't there. This is made up. They came for you.
00:47:00.880They were angry that you would say such a thing. They dismissed you as just a rube.
00:47:04.760And what you were saying was true. It's just didn't align with their political goals of getting rid of Trump.
00:47:12.140And they considered him an existential threat. So he had to go. And anybody pushing back against the narrative had to go.
00:47:19.660So, yeah, you've lived this firsthand. The you know, the Paul Ryan thing, I my prediction is the Fox Fox will not bend the Fox board will not bend.
00:47:29.340They're not firing Tucker and they shouldn't. And he's already lost a lot of his advertisers.
00:47:33.940A lot of advertisers don't want to go on his show because of this. And you know what?
00:47:36.840They'll be just fine. If every advertiser walk from Fox News, they'd be just fine.
00:47:40.440They make most of their money in the carriage fees that the cable providers pay them.
00:47:44.940You know, Comcast, all those people pay to have Fox News on their lineup because half of the American public watches Fox.
00:47:50.460And in fact, it's the most watched channel by Democrats.
00:47:53.080I mean, more Democrats watch Tucker than any other show.
00:47:55.400So they'll be fine financially, even if every advertiser pulls.
00:47:59.640But it's it's to your it's to your shame and your own business loss if you pull your advertising off of Fox News, because that's half the country.
00:48:08.160Where else are you going to reach them? You can come on digital media.
00:48:10.600We're here. But it would just be foolhardy to limit yourselves to a situation that didn't involve, you know, such a such a watch cable channel.
00:48:18.640Devin, I do want to get into Sussman. It's a fascinating case.
00:48:20.980It's just starting today and there's nobody better to talk about it than than you.
00:48:24.780So stand by. We'll pick it up there right after this quick break.
00:48:31.860OK, so let's talk about this Sussman trial today.
00:48:35.320Michael Sussman is a former partner at the law firm Perkins Coie.
00:48:41.240And this guy was one of his partners was Mark Elias, who's a campaign law specialist who represented the Clinton campaign.
00:48:49.900And Michael Sussman one day walked into the FBI and said, I got a great tip for you.
00:48:55.420Oh, my gosh, this bad stuff is going on with Donald Trump and this bank.
00:49:00.440And you should go check it out because I love my country.
00:49:03.780And I just want you to know that we're looking at a potential traitor here.
00:49:06.980And they said, oh, are you affiliated with anybody, you know, like on the Clinton side?
01:25:23.260And what's so crazy is you're supposed to go to college to be introduced to people who come from different walks of life and think differently than you.
01:25:30.740So yet in 2022, on college campuses, students are conspiring with teachers to exclude people who have certain political beliefs.
01:25:39.440I had another student, another classmate who emailed the teacher, I'm a Nazi because because of my because I'm a conservative.
01:25:48.200So this is the sort of rhetoric and the sort of discrimination that that conservative students face on college campuses.
01:25:55.080Now, it's not just, sadly, the students and some of these professors.
01:26:23.020The words we use online can hurt or heal.
01:26:26.480While freedom of speech may protect the right to make offensive statements, we encourage our students to exercise their rights in a way that is principled, thoughtful and respectful.
01:27:22.840It's all about me because because I'm a conservative and I don't believe in this race Marxism and the insanity that takes place on college.
01:27:32.200You have the perspective and the strength to be able to to know that, to know why they continue to target you, because, you know, it can be stressful to see this to have this amount of incoming.
01:27:42.700And there's a lot of nastiness and threats and hate and so on.
01:27:45.980So how do you does that affect you at all?
01:27:47.660I always say I know there's so many conservative students that don't have my platform and really are utilizing college or at least their undergrad degree to be accepted to a med program or go to law school so they don't have the courage to speak up.
01:28:03.900They're they're scared that professors will punish them grade wise.
01:28:07.420So if I can use my platform and my position and and my how blessed I've been to shed light on what's taking place on campuses and help end the discrimination against conservative students, I'm happy to do that, even if it means backlash.
01:28:49.820I don't need to go to a pride month every or a pride march every pride month and walk around the streets naked and have sex behind the dumpster to know I'm attracted to men.
01:29:09.020OK, so now this is one of the ways in which I was introduced to you, because it was after I remember what it was after that I found this meme.
01:29:16.700Um, there was that tweet where the one guy tweeted out a picture of his wife shoveling the driveway and he was like, she just came home from working overnight all night at the hospital.