00:00:50.520We have a lot to get to today and we are going to kick it off with the horrific murder of
00:00:57.160Anne Whittacombe. Anne Whittacombe was a former member of parliament in Great Britain and had
00:01:04.700become somewhat of an elder stateswoman for the Reform UK party. She was 78 years old and
00:01:13.100last week on Thursday, she was murdered. Originally, the police had said that this
00:01:21.200had nothing to do with politics whatsoever. And then they did a dramatic 180, completely reversing
00:01:28.340themselves and saying that new evidence had prompted Britain's national counter-terrorism
00:01:34.040unit to take the lead, their counter-terrorism unit. The BBC just aired a press conference by
00:01:40.380the head of counter-terrorism in the UK saying that this investigation is now on two tracks,
00:01:46.020one, a murder investigation, and two, a counterterrorism investigation. What exactly
00:01:51.920that means, whether that's just limited to Anne's politics or something beyond that in the way we
00:01:58.000understand the word counterterrorism, I don't know. It's one of the questions we'll ask our
00:02:03.220guest in a moment. But the UK Sun is reporting at this hour that while officers initially believed
00:02:10.460this woman had died in a fall and did not realize that she'd been murdered until a day later,
00:02:16.020there was a dramatic twist after counterterrorism took over following the examination of the
00:02:22.540electronic devices of the suspect. What happened was they checked Ann's ring camera. It showed them
00:02:29.940a man approaching her home and his car, along with his license plate reportedly. And they used
00:02:37.300that information to track this suspect back to the Kimberworth area of Rotherham. And this was
00:02:45.320about four hours away from Anne's home. He left his house reportedly around 8 a.m. He got to Anne's,
00:02:51.740we believe, sometime afternoon. She is believed to have been killed at 1230. And the reason we
00:02:58.860have interest in this, not only because it's a horrific story and it's very much dominating the
00:03:04.360news in the UK, is that this feels very much like just the latest chapter in our assassination
00:03:12.500culture, which is now predominant not only in the United States, but in one of our closest allies,
00:03:20.040Great Britain, where again, a 78-year-old woman is believed to have been bludgeoned to death
00:03:26.460because of her right-wing politics. I mean, this is shocking. It's hard to understand. It's
00:03:34.080hard to believe. I mean, maybe it's not hard to believe. But when you hear some of Anne
00:03:39.060Witticum's politics, it may become more clear to you, if you are a right-leaning independent like
00:03:47.440I am, or officially right-wing here in America, how she came across the radar of some madman
00:03:54.720with terror in his heart. Here's just a bit of Ann Witticum over the years on things like
00:04:02.820immigration, gender, and Brexit, a movement of which she was a leader, Sot Foray.
00:04:08.780We've made it very clear that if you arrive in this country illegally from a perfectly safe from,
00:04:17.660which when I last looked France was, then you have no claim to asylum and you will be refused0.97
00:04:27.340and we will turn the boats around and send them back.0.53
00:04:32.820How can a nation be sovereign if it cannot immediately and at its own expense and at its own wish replenish the control of its borders as and when necessary?
00:04:51.640but in short it can be done just as the control of illegal immigration can be done
00:05:03.540just as policing knife and gun crime can be done and now school kids are being taught they can
00:05:13.720identify as a cat now if i had a child who came home and said i'm a cat i would give it a bowl of
00:05:19.840cat food in a bowl of milk and say okay then this is what cats get but I've no
00:05:23.780respect for somebody who says oh I think I'm a woman you know I'll go into the1.00
00:05:27.520women's changing rooms rubbish rubbish Britain is leaving and it doesn't matter0.99
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00:07:24.560met ann and first started working with ann when you were i believe at the time both politicians
00:07:29.820you would ultimately both wind up doing some tv but at the time both politicians yeah i mean look
00:07:35.220nan and was a national treasure in this country everybody knew her everybody adored her at one
00:07:41.140point whether you agreed with her politics or not because she was so unself-pitying she was
00:07:45.640on strictly come dancing everyone's favorite ever competitor she would pop up on bits of reality tv1.00
00:07:51.540the big brother house she'd go on antique shows but she was always a firebrand she was always a
00:07:57.320leader in politics and she was extremely well respected and she took the brave decision to
00:08:04.360leave the Conservative Party and joined the Brexit Party after the 2016 referendum, came out of
00:08:10.180retirement and was elected to the European Parliament alongside me and 29 of us all together
00:08:16.660and her presence was just undeniable. I mean you can see from those speeches she was tiny,
00:08:24.420diminutive little character but everyone was a little bit afraid of her because she was like0.94
00:08:29.540the strictest teacher at your school she would tell you directly what she thought she did things
00:08:34.880for principal never for popularity and she was a very very dedicated christian a dedicated social
00:08:41.960conservative and she was kind she was kind she she may have had views that she didn't agree with gay
00:08:49.640marriage well you know a lot of true true conservative christians feel that way that is
00:08:54.920what the book tells us that marriage is for a man and a woman didn't mean she had any phobia or
00:09:00.100resentment or hatred of gay people in fact some of her closest friends were gay men and she just
00:09:07.000she had her principles she had her positions and she wanted to see good done in this world
00:09:13.560and then things changed things have changed especially since we've had a left-wing government
00:09:20.140who have done all they can to demonise the right wing of politics, to call us extreme,
00:09:25.720far right, to say that we are the politics of hate, that we're divisive, that we're extremists,
00:09:32.560that we must be stopped. And this language has been coming out of the prime minister's mouth
00:09:39.200for two years now, of almost every sitting cabinet minister, of their friends in the legacy media.
00:09:46.420And you've had your own experience in America of young men, disturbed young men who live their lives online, might be taking artificial hormones for trans reasons or SRIs for depression, who are essentially being radicalised by the extreme left.
00:10:04.780when you actually have a government call a political rival leading in the polls in this
00:10:11.340country for two years now calling them extreme divisive hateful fascist nazi and saying they
00:10:20.480must be stopped that to me is sanctioning action at a state level it is reckless and it is
00:10:29.900irresponsible and a 78 year old woman in her cottage in rural England her sanctuary where
00:10:37.780she should have felt safe she's no longer in frontline politics she was bludgeoned to death
00:10:44.340and the police lied they tried to tell us oh this is probably a burglary gone wrong
00:10:49.180oh she must have slipped and hit her head it's taken days for the verdict that actually
00:10:55.380this is a terror attack to come out they don't like using the language now they're saying well
00:11:00.980we don't know what the motive is oh well maybe it's an unpaid vet's bill maybe she was i don't
00:11:06.640know in league with the drugs kingpin she owned money to we know what is going on and they still
00:11:13.260won't speak its name and if they want to call it terrorism i will call it what it is it is left-wing
00:11:19.180terrorism and at this point in the UK it is state sanctioned terrorism none of us are safe anymore
00:11:28.400Nigel Farage is having to commit to round-the-clock security for anybody representing his party
00:11:33.580elected or otherwise presenters like me are having to put in security measures because you look at
00:11:39.000what's happened to Anne she just made the mistake of opening her front door that's it that is all
00:11:45.740she did and all of us now live in fear and it's made me realize that they've wanted us to live
00:11:51.820in fear for years whether it's debanking whether it's canceling us whether it's the risk of losing
00:11:57.200our jobs social stigma ostracization public shaming they've now reached the level because
00:12:04.240they have to up the ante because we won't stop fighting of using language that essentially
00:12:09.540creates something that is called stochastic terrorism. It creates the environment in which
00:12:15.900an individual or an organisation is portrayed as being an existential threat, in which people who
00:12:22.980are significantly motivated and radicalised will go and act on that belief. And that has come all
00:12:29.740the way from the top of government. You know about people being imprisoned for things they put on
00:12:34.680social media you know about the tyranny of the left-wing government in the united kingdom well
00:12:40.800it's reached a new level and this should be a wake-up call and yet what the state are doing
00:12:47.040is trying to cover up trying to deflect trying to say that narjof raj is somehow politically
00:12:52.020profiting from this he was appointed the person to disseminate the information about her death
00:12:58.720he went to a memorial service with one of her closest surviving relatives her nephew and they're
00:13:04.280trying to say oh look at him trying to do this to score points isn't he sick oh look he's got0.96
00:13:09.360five million pounds given to him that he didn't declare he broke the rules he's a crook the five0.71
00:13:13.800million he was given was before he became a politician and it was for personal security
00:13:19.220and for good reason and we've now got in newspaper headlines one of the sickest most harrowing
00:13:25.560disturbing stories that I've read in this country and they're relentless they won't stop the attacks
00:13:32.300they won't stop the demonization part of me thinks they want more yeah oh well so well said
00:13:39.000and very powerful and i think a lot of us over here can relate to this on a number of levels
00:13:43.460um the government demonizing an entire group of people it being somewhat okay it seems to
00:13:50.600assassinate somebody who's a leader in a political party and i'm thinking of course of charlie charlie
00:13:56.380Kirk, as we watched school teacher after nurse, after what, you know, union member and so on,
00:14:04.540come out and gleefully celebrate his assassination. This young man, father of two, husband, as if it
00:14:11.200was, you know, he had it coming. Like, it's sad when anybody dies, but let's be honest, he had
00:14:16.460it coming. He was a hateful man. And they go right to his politics. Yesterday was the two-year mark0.99
00:14:22.120since Butler, Pennsylvania, when they tried to assassinate President Trump, who'd been called a0.65
00:14:26.600fascist at every turn. The bullet, one of the bullets that was loaded for Charlie had, hey,
00:14:32.000fascist written on it, had fascist written on it. I mean, the messaging, it's literally gone
00:14:38.020across the pond now. And now we have, I mean, President Trump was about 78 when they took the
00:14:44.700shot at him. And here's Anne, 78. And I'm interested in what you just said about you
00:14:51.360think the police are actually lying about it because they paint it as, oh, we were mistaken.
00:14:55.080We thought she fell down the stairs, which does seem a little odd, Alex, because it appears she
00:14:59.520was bludgeoned with some sort of a wood club just to show the audience. There's ring camera obtained
00:15:04.360by the UK sun. I'm going to show it here showing the suspect being arrested. And then there is
00:15:09.460also this UK sun report showing footage of the suspect getting into his car with some kind of
00:15:15.340wooden stick. So it appears he bludgeoned her over the head with a wooden stick. Seems like it'd be
00:15:19.900tough to mistake that for a tumble down the stairs. Hold on, let me just show SOT1, which is
00:15:25.660part of that UK Sun report. Neighbors later report seeing a man putting some kind of wooden stick
00:15:32.040into the car on the day of the murder. Our exclusive CCTV footage shows him with an object
00:15:39.440described as a wooden baton in his shorts pocket. The man left the Rotherham council house just
00:15:46.700before 8 a.m. last Wednesday and is expected to have driven 267 miles to the MP and Strictly
00:15:54.500Stars bungalow in Devon. I mean, for the listening audience, it's incredibly stunningly clear that
00:16:01.140CCTV video, which clearly UK son got from it. It looks like maybe his neighbor. He's he's there.
00:16:08.200You can see the baton sticking far out of his pocket. And it appears this large man took out
00:16:13.340a nearly 80 year old lady with that baton and his heft. Go ahead, Alex. Yeah. I mean, gosh,
00:16:20.180I can't, it's really hard for me to think about that. You know, I knew Anne personally and
00:16:24.960it's harrowing to think of her being bludgeoned to death with a baseball bat in her own kitchen.
00:16:30.440And if he'd come to her front door and said, you're a fascist, she'd have probably said,0.78
00:16:33.200oh, do come in, have a cup of tea. Don't be so silly. And a little old woman killed with a1.00
00:16:40.160baseball bat in her kitchen he drove 300 miles with that thing it was premeditated0.88
00:16:45.720uh you know they're going to paint the picture aren't they oh well he's got mental health issues0.98
00:16:51.260well you have to have mental health issues to drive 300 miles to club someone to death
00:16:55.780it doesn't make it any less a terrorist incident or a political assassination it doesn't we've
00:17:03.020got to move past this excuse of mental health and actually point the finger of blame at why
00:17:08.240people have terrible mental health the paint the pictures they're being painted by the state by the
00:17:15.360left wing by this so-called di and critical race theory training and all the rest of it which
00:17:21.340psychological reports have likened to brainwashing for authoritarianism that is what it's doing and0.80
00:17:30.420it's not that different from islamist terrorists where you've got radical preachers and radical1.00
00:17:35.260clerics telling everybody that infidels are the problem in this world and they need to be gotten0.99
00:17:39.580rid of at any cost and someone hearing that material online and believing that it means
00:17:45.960that they have to go out and attack somebody the parallels are undeniable and yet the messaging of
00:17:55.600reform uk is dangerous the right wing is radical that they were killing babies in gaza or you know
00:18:03.320whatever it may be whatever the hyperbole they use what is so alarming is that language is coming
00:18:09.240from the state from the very center of government and being used as a political strategy now
00:18:15.800something your audience might not know is in the aftermath of the assassination of charlie kirk
00:18:21.580the state decided they had to review the security of nigel farage our most prominent most controversial
00:18:28.800political leader they decided that he needed his security reduced by 70 percent what followed on
00:18:37.280from that was the labor party conference the party of our own prime minister and what we witnessed
00:18:42.580at that event was every single speaker who stood up to the dace who got behind a lectern who did
00:18:49.340a tv interview repeated the same form of words that reform was the politics of hate reform must0.85
00:18:56.280be stopped that they're far-right that they're extremist that they're erasive racist xenophobic
00:19:03.480homophobic all of it all the isms all the phobics it was coming speaker after speaker politician0.81
00:19:10.300after politician representative after representative from that Labour Party conference
00:19:14.140like like an automatic round and straight in the aftermath right of the assassination of Charlie
00:19:21.260kirk and stripping nigel farge of his security i'm sorry maybe this is all circumstantial maybe
00:19:26.700it's all coincidence but if you wanted to create the circumstances for something like the brutal
00:19:33.300but bludgeoning to death of a 78 year old retired politician in her kitchen who was once regarded
00:19:40.680as a national treasure that's how you go about it and this is what's been going on for too long in
00:19:46.440America and it's now picking up in the United Kingdom and we are afraid and when you're afraid
00:19:53.260when you live in fear that you are being either socially shamed ostracized might lose your
00:19:59.580livelihood might be disinvited from dinner parties might be cancelled might be punished won't get that
00:20:05.620promotion at work and you know might even fear for your life you fear for saying things that
00:20:10.380you believe that's living in terror and i call that terrorism and it's about time we on the right
00:20:18.940started using precise vocabulary and stopped allowing them to tell us that we're the problem
00:20:26.880that we're the dangerous ones and we're the divisive ones they don't even let us gracefully
00:20:32.360and respectfully mourn our dead these people are monstrous absolutely right now i'm not going to
00:20:39.000call them dangerous and divisive they have to be stopped at any cost although if I were to use
00:20:45.480such rhetoric about anybody I think the shoe fits but I try and respect my political opponents
00:20:51.920appreciate that they have different views sometimes I might learn from them or change my mind
00:20:57.260sometimes they say things I agree with and I give them praise for that I give them credit
00:21:01.680but on the right wing we think left wingers are just a bit mistaken and confused today on the
00:21:08.720left wing of politics. They think we're evil. It's been it's been thus for a long time. You
00:21:16.600know, I can't help but think in a little bit we're going to have a journalist named Rob Shooter come
00:21:20.720on and he's going to talk about, among other things, this massive loss that Prince Harry had
00:21:24.920in suing the media and blaming all sorts of details of his life that hit the pages of the
00:21:31.820papers on evil journalists who are out there trying to destroy him. He lost. He lost heartily
00:21:37.060in an embarrassing way. And it does occur to me, Prince Harry, who's got, you know,
00:21:44.080millions and he's got over a hundred million dollars, thanks to Spotify and Netflix over
00:21:48.340here and so on, not to mention what he got from his dad. There's nobody trying to kill Prince
00:21:53.220Harry. He's fine. He's living his glorious life out in Montecito, but he wanted the British
00:21:59.760government to cover his security. Meanwhile, these journalists whom he's harassing in court
00:22:05.420now for years trying to convince a court that they're criminals who unnecessarily harassed him
00:22:11.980and broke laws to get details about him, all of which was untrue. They actually are under threat.
00:22:18.100People like you, you weren't involved in that lawsuit, but I'm saying journalists who have a
00:22:22.300political take or a political history or like yours truly, I can relate to this, who now have
00:22:28.680to live behind bulletproof glass with security teams. And most journalists don't make a lot of
00:22:34.660money. Most journalists cannot afford that. And everything's been turned on its head because of
00:22:40.560this left-wing messaging, which is cloaked under the guise of, we're the good guys. We're trying
00:22:45.700to stop these evildoers on the right wing from spreading hate. Meanwhile, they're the ones
00:22:50.820spreading hate and literally saying things that can be directly tied to these assassination
00:22:56.520attempts, and in too many circumstances, successful ones. I think it's worth pointing
00:23:01.860out as well certainly if you're in the public eye you've stuck your head above the parapet and
00:23:05.780you're banging the drum for change you are very exposed but I think it's so worth pointing out
00:23:10.800that this goes all the way down to the everyday citizen this goes down to Lucy Connolly who put
00:23:17.240online a post saying okay burn the migrant hotels down for all that I care right and deleted it two
00:23:24.260hours later she had lost a child when she found out about the horrific stabbings of those children
00:23:29.260in Southport she was an ordinary citizen she was given 31 months in prison and then we have a
00:23:36.100prime minister who's basically calling his political opponents dangerous fascists and
00:23:41.260there are consequences to those words and he has freedom but this goes all the way down to
00:23:46.320the school teacher that voted for Brexit being afraid to confess that in the staff room the
00:23:52.160doctor practicing in a hospital who might have right-wing views but could never confess to his
00:23:57.040colleagues because they've all had their DEI training they might report him for making them
00:24:01.960feel unsafe it goes down to the local business who suddenly gets doxed for I don't know having
00:24:08.840an Israeli flag who all of a sudden is an effort to pile on and prevent them from being able to
00:24:14.520conduct their livelihood this affects everybody on the right wing yes some people are more exposed
00:24:20.720than others because we have public profiles but it doesn't stop you know it started off at the
00:24:27.620political leaders then it came down to the big influencers now everyday journalists but it goes
00:24:32.620all the way to the last person which is why I call it tyranny and terrorism because it affects
00:24:39.680everybody and it's horrific I would never have thought that the mother of parliamentary democracy
00:24:46.580this little island which stormed into the first world war the second world war to save our
00:24:52.060continental neighbors from authoritarianism this country which has never voted for fascism or
00:24:58.340communism ever ever i would never have thought that the united kingdom could become what it is
00:25:05.160today under this government especially oh the rotted setting a long time before that the0.87
00:25:11.060pernicious invasive cancerous spread of this sort of radical left-wing marxist culture in public
00:25:19.320life in private life on legacy media shoved down your throats when it comes to the documentaries
00:25:25.080you watch hollywood films you name it i mean how many hollywood stars are there that would turn
00:25:30.680around and say i'm maga they would lose their massive advertising contracts oh no you make a
00:25:36.040lot of money. The farthest they'll go is I'm an independent. Right. You make a lot of money
00:25:40.880sucking off the left wing teeth. My life would be so much easier. You know, if I turn around Megan0.94
00:25:44.500and did a mea culpa, right? If I recanted my political views, like it was an era of Catholicism,
00:25:51.800medieval Catholicism and said, I've been wrong to support Nigel Farage and work for him.
00:25:55.840The scales have fallen from my eyes. I'm a recovered fascist. I would be given book
00:26:01.220contracts i'd be given a cookery show you name it i would become the darling i'd be held up as an
00:26:07.080example i could have the best most cozy life tomorrow with money in my bank or the security
00:26:13.420i need but i wouldn't need it anymore would i but we don't do that we don't sell out and it drives
00:26:18.860them mad because they can't understand why we persevere because they don't have compassion
00:26:23.840they don't have belief all they have is hatred and we actually have i was just thinking about this
00:26:32.560alex because this is just one example but over here in america there's this journalist by the0.99
00:26:38.560name of kara swisher she's a far left winger and she traffics in hate directed at the right wing1.00
00:26:47.100every name in the book she's used against president trump against anybody in the right1.00
00:26:51.400wing. She's demonized, dehumanized and so on. And I noticed that CNN, where she has some sort0.99
00:26:58.380of contributorship deal, has launched a show with her about travel, you know, or she wants to live
00:27:04.520forever. I don't know what she's doing, but she's either going to be doing health stuff or travel
00:27:08.040stuff, but some sort of amorphous, you know, lifestyle type offering. Now you tell me, I don't
00:27:14.420know how it is in the UK, here in America, they would never, never allow an open right-winger
00:27:21.820to host a non-political show like that. If you are openly right-wing or conservative,
00:27:29.200you're otherized, you're demonized, you are acceptable only to that wing. You would never
00:27:34.740be chosen for an advertisement campaign of any kind. All these celebrities over here who openly
00:27:40.320endorsed Kamala Harris in the last election and came out and like said very controversial things
00:27:45.600about the right wing and why you shouldn't vote for Donald Trump. They get huge multi-million
00:27:50.040dollar ad campaign deals. It's not even a thought to cast them in roles where they're supposed to
00:27:55.560be accepted by both sides or give them millions to advertise watches that are supposed to be
00:28:00.400bought by both sides. But left winger, you know, the fine right winger, never. The double standard
00:28:06.360is as plain as the nose on your face. Right. I mean, the trappings of being a foot soldier for
00:28:10.600authoritarianism is brilliant, isn't it? I mean, you can make a lot of money by, you know, being
00:28:15.800in line and saying all the right things. You know, God help you if you decide to leave the cult or
00:28:21.220ever want to speak up against it. But this is what I'm saying. It goes down to the lowest strata in
00:28:26.880society. You won't become a headmaster of a state school if you happen to say that you, you know,
00:28:32.040supported Nigel Farage you would be blocked so they want you to feel that you can't get a job
00:28:38.300that you're excommunicated from society that you will lose things if you don't back their
00:28:44.660worldview they want you to know that everything that you own that you hope for is on the table
00:28:52.120when it comes to sacrificing what you've got for what you believe in including now your life
00:28:58.820it i just i i don't know where we stop now because you know the more we stand up the dirtier their
00:29:06.620tactics are going to have to become they're not going to let let go they're holding on tightly
00:29:11.660to the levers of power and the more that the mask slips the more that we peek behind the curtain and
00:29:17.560begin to understand what's going on what are they going to do they're not going to throw the towel
00:29:22.820in they're going to become more and more extreme and what i'm seeing in the aftermath of ann's
00:29:26.740murder is this doubling down this you know this exacerbation of situations and circumstances
00:29:33.480with their ever cruel critical cynical confected rhetoric you know truth doesn't mean anything to
00:29:41.760them they've inverted all of it inverted morality inverted the truth the good guys the bad guys the
00:29:46.080bad guys are the good guys and it's become so pervasive so insidious as you know in america
00:29:52.800you've been through this you know i think you will start you started going through this long
00:29:56.480before we did we've imported it hook line and sinker we've elected it it's in number 10 downing
00:30:02.520street that's what's so scary right now and what we need is a democratic change that will stand up
00:30:07.920to this and reverse it all but the fight for that is going to be well bloody deadly i don't know
00:30:15.960what words am i supposed to use now my colleagues been yes it's already underway it's already
00:30:21.260underway and and was a casualty of it you um is is this your blog to which you posted why did they
00:30:27.960pretend left-wing terrorism doesn't exist right that's on my sub stack i think that's your blog
00:30:32.300yeah your sub stack my sub stack yeah and it's so good it's worth everybody's time to go click on
00:30:37.980it again it's it reads why do they pretend left-wing terrorism does not exist by alex phillips
00:30:42.220and you write the following now i face a choice try to fight get 24-hour surveillance secure my
00:30:49.280home, double down despite the opposing might of the machine, the David and Goliath dimension of
00:30:54.600the battle, lose more hair, more sleep and more sanity, lose my right to live normally, privately
00:30:59.980and peacefully, ignore the cruel words, vile slurs, spiteful memes, lies, attacks and public
00:31:05.340admonishments from total strangers, wake up every day to that now familiar physical pain of feeling
00:31:11.080garroted. Lay it all down for a battle that increasingly feels unwinnable. Or retreat.
00:31:19.120Delete my entire social media footprint. Stage a fake recanting. Denounce my politics publicly
00:31:23.820to feel the protection of the system I long to rid the nation of. Get more money, better jobs,
00:31:28.080public forgiveness. Drink from the cup of corrupt prosperity. The left-wing money fountain of reward
00:31:34.420for saying the right things. A scalp like mine would be highly treasured. The ransom would be
00:31:39.480rich. If I gave up my ideals under the media spotlight, I'd fast become a darling of the
00:31:44.280legacy media. The trappings of converse of conversion would indeed be many. I could sleep
00:31:49.880at night, forge a proper relationship, eat where I want, lap up the mawkish adoration from loveys,
00:31:56.600be transmogrified into a mainstream treasure, get a cooking show, sell some books, get the fairy tale
00:32:02.740ending. I think you know what I have chosen. Like Anne, I am a believer. That resonates with me so
00:32:12.300strongly. And I'm sure it resonates with a lot of the people watching this right now. And the stakes
00:32:17.440are incredibly high. And yet, that's exactly why we must fight. Yeah. I mean, if we don't fight
00:32:25.100what it's all been for, I mean, what would we leave to the children of this country? What do we
00:32:29.560do we have a country to leave in the end you know what's so crazy is you know the west spent
00:32:36.080half of the last century and trillions of dollars fighting communism and somehow it's now taken over
00:32:43.160pretty much all of our public facing institutions and non-governmental organizations civic society
00:32:49.960and it's more brutal it's more punitive it's more unforgiving um it's more tyrannical than
00:32:58.600even in communist countries quite frankly and we've been gaslit that it doesn't exist
00:33:03.300we've been gaslit that we are fantasists in fact we're the dangerous ones that we are the
00:33:08.060fascistic ones censoring people making people feel scared and vulnerable unsafe
00:33:13.540it's it's it's like being in a relationship with a narcissistic abuser and you start to
00:33:20.620doubt yourself and you you do think wouldn't it be easier just to be suppling wouldn't it be easier
00:33:25.540to be a supplicant and just allow them to steer me around and do what they say because life would
00:33:31.180be easier. I'm not made of that soul, sadly. I'm going to fight. Yes, same as Anne did and hope
00:33:40.280and pray for a societal change that stops our own endings from looking anything like hers and that0.66
00:33:45.040of anybody else who's in the political arena. Anne went on with Graham Norton, who's got his own TV
00:33:52.080show in 2010. And he asked her a question about legacy. Here's how she answered Sat4B.
00:34:00.320Do you feel a bit sad that whatever political legacy you might have had has now been totally
00:34:06.200wiped out by you flying around? I'm not at all saddened by it for this reason. I mean, OK,
00:34:13.580you know, none of us know how long we're going to live. I could die tomorrow, but I could if I
00:34:17.080followed my mother, for example, live another three decades. I do not know what's going to
00:34:21.560come up and what I'm going to do in that time. So I may be remembered neither for politics nor
00:34:26.580for strictly, but for something else that I can't even foresee at the moment. And we get one go
00:34:31.800this side of eternity. One go. It's not a dress rehearsal. It's one go. And you make the most of
00:34:38.260it. And you take opportunities that come along that you like and you go for it. And that's my
00:34:43.500philosophy. I didn't know her as you did, Alex, but it seems to me and would be looking at this
00:34:51.480conversation, looking at anybody having this struggle internally, even in the wake of her
00:34:56.780murder, and would be sticking by exactly what she said. Oh, Megan, she'd be telling us off,
00:35:02.480actually. If I'm honest with you, she'd be telling us to buck up, get on with it,
00:35:06.540stop being so silly, stop being so self-pitying. That's what was phenomenal about her.0.99
00:35:14.260Yeah, gosh, I didn't even know her, but I feel like I've lost somebody too, and I'll miss her,
00:35:19.760and I trust not in the British police system, but in people like you to keep them honest as
00:35:27.460this goes forward about exactly what was behind this and how to stop more of it. Alex, thank you.
00:35:32.640Alex Phillips, everybody. Thanks so much. We hope to see you again. Thank you.
00:35:36.740Okay. We're going to bring in Rob Shooter. He's here to talk about another story out of the UK
00:35:41.640involving Prince Harry and a lawsuit that he and other celebrities just lost. I made a reference
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00:37:25.200He's a celebrity reporter and author of the book, It Started With a Whisper, which, by the way, is a great summer read if you're looking for something fun, and also authors the naughty but nice Substack.
00:37:36.380He's also a former royal reporter. So he knows a lot about the UK and those people who live in
00:37:42.640these palaces over there. Rob, great to see you again. Hey, good to see you, my friend. Good to0.87
00:37:46.200be back. So this loss, I mentioned it in my segment with Alex Phillips. This is a whopper.
00:37:53.720And Prince Harry may have to spend millions now, millions, because loser typically pays when you
00:38:01.680lose a lawsuit in the UK. And he, to put it frankly, got his ass handed to him by this judge.0.99
00:38:08.660It was about reporting that it happened in the UK over the course of 18 years, Rob, 18 years0.96
00:38:16.760from back when he was dating Chelsea Davey and all these other young sort of romances he had
00:38:24.800many moons ago. And he seems to have gone through every article ever written about his personal life
00:38:30.760And accused the journalists involved, mostly the Daily Mail owned by Associated newspapers, of using illegal means to to get these scoops and Associated put its reporters up one after the other to defend these claims, saying we did nothing illegal.
00:38:51.060This is not an illegal wiretap situation. We broke no laws. We actually just worked the story like shoe leather reporters got sources and managed to convince this judge that they had done absolutely nothing illegal.
00:39:05.600The whole thing was dismissed. There were claims by other celebrities, including Elton John, dismissed, all dismissed up and down.
00:39:13.280And now there's a real question about whether Harry risked too much, because if the legal bills were as substantial as they reportedly are claiming with maybe 50 million pounds having been spent to defend these lawsuits, I think we can safely say that he does not have that to spare.
00:39:32.700So Associated Newspapers is probably going to seek this from all the defendants, like across defendants.
00:39:39.480Elizabeth Hurley was another plaintiff, some others who I don't know as well.
00:39:43.240But you tell me what you make of this resounding beating he took.
00:39:47.260First of all, it was an absolute resounding beating.
00:39:50.540It was thrown out and the judge was almost annoyed that this had got as far as it had.
00:39:56.760people were perplexed when harry started this when he went after the daily mail this was for
00:40:04.040stories a long time ago talk about holding a grudge talk about not being able to move on him
00:40:12.100and megan present themselves as happier than ever living in montecito and here's harry still fighting
00:40:17.720battles from from decades ago so nobody really understood why he was doing this i know from my
00:40:23.740sources. He was advised not to do this. Any reputable lawyer that he spoke to in London would
00:40:30.340tell him this is almost impossible to prove and hence to win and you've got to provide some proof.
00:40:37.140Harry ignored all that. I think he proved how arrogant he really is. He is still angry about a
00:40:43.900story in a newspaper from 20 years ago and if you upset this prince he's going to get you. Doesn't
00:40:51.320matter how long it takes he's going to come for you he went for the newspaper and then he went
00:40:56.900for the individual journalists and really went after them in the most vicious way and they all
00:41:03.580took the stand one after another and some of them reasonably said i don't exactly remember what
00:41:10.420happened 20 years ago but what i do know is that if we were hacking his phone that i would remember
00:41:17.800And there was absolutely no evidence, a waste of time.
00:41:21.860Britain is in a very tough position at the moment.
00:41:24.760You just talked about the tragic passing of Anne.
00:41:27.400Police resources, the courts are backlogged.
00:46:33.240Because I think if any of us had 10% of what he has been given,
00:46:38.620our lives would be just so much different.
00:46:41.480And so it's so frustrating. The Bricks have had it with him. I think any hope of this trip being a comeback has failed miserably. And it's his own. It's his own fault. And I'm also too perplexed about why he's doing these interviews.
00:46:58.160Like, he never leaves an interview and you're liking more, even people that are friendly to Harry, see the most basic questions.
00:47:35.100So you mentioned this trip because what's happened is he's over there in the UK making the rounds.
00:47:39.820There was a big row, as the Brits say, about whether he would stay at Buckingham Palace and whether he would get the full protections that a working royal would get or even, you know, like a British prime minister.
00:50:42.420He was reportedly, according to my source, nervous the first time back in 2023 that they were going to film Diana's grave or themselves inappropriately on the grounds of where she grew up for Netflix.
00:50:54.700That's, I mean, what he thinks of them.
00:50:56.480So while he gave Harry a landing pad, he's clearly got their number.
00:51:03.020Now, you've got some exclusive reporting out about because Meghan and Harry reportedly think this was a huge win that King Charles agreed to meet with them.
00:51:12.120They, of course, lured this elderly man in with the promise of seeing his grandchildren, whom have been withheld from him for all these years because they have these petty grievances, these champagne caviar problems.
00:51:26.340Well, Rob's got exclusive reporting on It's What You Didn't See that puts the lie to that claim.
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00:54:20.060Rob Shooter's back with me. He is the author of It Started With a Whisper.
00:54:24.700Great summer read, truly. Place your order now, you won't be sorry. And his sub stack is
00:54:29.720naughty but nice the perfect name for rob um okay rob so so they got over there and she finally got
00:54:37.360what she wanted she wanted time with the king what is the point of marrying a prince of england
00:54:43.120if you're not going to get face time with the head royal in the palace and king charles it's
00:54:48.760always difficult like i think many people can relate to this if you have a sibling causing
00:54:53.040trouble in the family i think the siblings are the first ones to want to do tough love
00:54:57.720And the parent is the last one who wants to do the tough love because we're all softies for our kids.
00:55:03.460So King Charles still can be manipulated by Harry and certainly the promise of spending time with his grandchildren, of whom he doesn't have that many.
00:55:13.300He only has two sons. So he's got William's three kids and now Harry's two, who he doesn't know hardly at all, was too much for him.
00:55:20.860and he agreed to see this family of Sussexes.
00:55:25.200But you say this is actually not some huge win
01:13:51.820Because aren't you reporting that like now Travis is getting invited to these like fashion shows and so, but they, they don't really want him. They, they're hoping he brings the missus.
01:14:05.020And he knows it. He's not dumb. If you like, you know, I have a lot of friends in New York who are event planners and PR people. They always invite Matthew Broderick because they hope he brings Sarah Jessica Parker.0.76
01:14:15.700Like, nobody wants Matthew Broderick at their event, but they want him to bring Sarah Jessica.
01:21:11.940but we all do the work you know to be mildly entertaining talking about the royals for an
01:21:18.140hour with you has taken me 30 years of work and and that's what I really appreciate because I think
01:21:24.260Megan and Harry just want the good stuff they just want the glamorous stuff they just want to turn up
01:21:29.620for the premieres they don't want to do the work behind the scenes and I think that Kate's different
01:21:36.900She does do the work and she also is extraordinarily good at knowing when she's overexposed. When it's enough, she can pull back. Harry and Meghan don't know when there's enough. In fact, I don't think there's ever enough of it.0.74
01:21:52.420And so hats off to them. They're the secret weapon of the royal family. These two are the reason that I'm really optimistic about the future of the monarchy. And I can't wait to see what they do with it and what changes they make and the dignity that they do it with.
01:22:08.920It's lovely to see people like this in a world that celebrates Kardashians.
01:22:15.120It's lovely to see people like this in a world that celebrates real housewives.
01:22:31.960And I think the best thing for the royals to do, for Kate to do, is just keep showing up and ignoring them.
01:22:38.000let them go back to Montecito. Yeah, just being herself. I'll say this, what you were saying0.97
01:22:42.920about how they put in the work, unlike the losers out in Montecito, that there was a quote that was
01:22:49.120on the internet the other day. I forwarded it to my family because I loved it. It was by Kobe Bryant.
01:22:53.020He was always saying things like this. This is right on brand for him. But here's the quote,
01:22:57.900quote, everyone wants to be a beast. Everyone wants to be the best, but very few people are
01:23:04.400willing to do what it actually takes because what it takes is boring. It is waking up at 4am. It is
01:23:11.280shooting the same shot a thousand times. It is watching the film when you are tired. People fall
01:23:16.400in love with the result, but they hate the process. You have to fall in love with the boredom. You have
01:23:21.900to fall in love with the repetition. If you can find joy in the mundane work that no one else sees,
01:23:28.140the lights will eventually shine on you. That's it. Megan. That's it. That's the difference.
01:23:33.820That's the difference. And that's the difference in all of our lives. You don't have to be a princess. You don't have to be a royal. You don't have to be a star athlete to know that. My friends that are the most successful are the ones that do the work in whatever field that is. Do the work. And that's why shows like American Idol are so annoying. Nobody's an overnight success. Nobody. And if you are an overnight success, it's going to be gone overnight, too.
01:23:57.780if you want to get there and you want to stay there do the work william and kate do the work
01:24:03.480and i think they're going to raise their children in a way too where they appreciate
01:24:07.440hard work and they appreciate duty and they appreciate service and they appreciate
01:24:12.120showing up i mean look at her the fashion alone and turning up and having the whole crowd stand
01:24:18.400for her because they love her they the brits absolutely love her and her children are charming
01:24:24.800and there's never any trouble with them.
01:24:27.480The Middletons are never getting in trouble.
01:24:54.320I don't know. It doesn't seem like they get any procedures because they're supposed to age
01:25:00.220normally, naturally, because that's the ultimate middle finger and showing of your power and
01:25:04.720wealth. I see it in social circles, like the ones who have true FU money, like blue blood money.0.52
01:25:11.560They don't do a thing to themselves. They're like, I don't have to, suckers.1.00
01:25:17.780With all that money, we don't notice it. I just look at the money.0.98
01:25:20.500I know. Anyway, OK, that all this has brought me to Blake Lively, who is way more in the in the Meghan and Harry camp than she ever could be in the William and Kate camp.
01:25:35.060And she is out there now having clearly lost this ridiculous attempt at PR rehab, which was her lawsuit, trying to turn her loss into a win by trying to get Justin Baldoni to pay her.
01:25:49.580We finally have the number eight million dollars in legal fees that she claimed she had to expend just to have his one counter claim for defamation thrown out.
01:26:01.840She filed 13 claims. Ten of her claims were thrown out.
01:26:08.220She didn't have to pay his legal fees for any one of them.
01:26:11.700He filed one and she got it thrown out.
01:26:13.880He's got to pay all of her legal fees for this one because of this wacky California law having to do with sexual harassment victims, of which she's not one.
01:26:23.980But anyway, she claims getting rid of that one claim cost her eight million dollars.
01:26:30.200And now we finally have his responsive pleading saying that's ridiculous.
01:26:36.820He's not going to pay her eight million dollars.
01:26:39.080and they're pointing uh he and his team to the new york times which also was sued by baldoni
01:26:45.720for defamation because they filed this lawsuit that was basically stenciled by blake lively
01:26:50.440and they got sued for defamation and they got it thrown out and their legal fees were i think
01:26:56.120memory serves don't have a paper in front of me two hundred thousand dollars rob yeah cost them
01:27:00.420two hundred thousand dollars to have it thrown out she wants eight million so once again to the end
01:27:06.300she looks like a money grubbing you know what yes yeah it's shocking to me that you can go
01:27:14.880through something like this this really long drawn out process and not learn anything about
01:27:20.160yourself blake has exposed everything that i think people whispered about for a long time
01:27:26.420people knew in the business that that she was really really awful they knew that when whenever
01:27:32.340in my office there's an opportunity to interview a celebrity I try to share the wealth I try to0.97
01:27:37.580give it to different person every time when I when I walk into the office into the newsroom
01:27:42.580and say we've got an interview with this celebrity who wants to interview them everybody puts their
01:27:46.720hand up the one exception is Blake Lively nobody on my team ever wanted to talk to her then nobody
01:27:52.380wanted to go to the premieres or interview her on the red carpets because she was awful to them she
01:27:56.600was just outright rude to them and so I think all that has now been made very very clear and you
01:28:02.060would think that that Blake would pause and and think about that and this lawsuit now this is
01:28:07.260about hurting him she's really angry that he won basically he won and she's really really angry
01:28:14.240and so what is she going to do she's going to kick him one last time somewhere where it really hurts
01:28:19.080in his pocketbook he does not have the money she and Ryan has and so she she just wants to punish
01:28:25.260him but in the process I think she's going to end up punishing herself again which has been the
01:28:30.620ongoing theme of the last couple of months every time she last couple of years every time she tries
01:28:37.100to hurt him she ends up really really hurting herself they have padded these expenses like0.99
01:28:44.140it's ridiculous every time she called her lawyer he has to pay for that a narcissistic celebrity0.80
01:28:49.760calling a lawyer for three hours he's got to pay for that a question she has that could have been
01:28:55.460answered in an email or a text she had to get on the phone and have therapy and talk and so it's
01:29:02.260really inflated it's really wrong i hope it it doesn't stand there's a really wacky wacky law
01:29:08.360in california which needs to be addressed here that the one the one thing that i i think is in
01:29:14.860his favor though is whatever he has to pay her she's going to have to pay a lot more in the court
01:29:20.100of public opinion she's done she is absolutely true done and to the very is she considered box
01:29:27.480office poison poison absolute casting directors don't want to meet with her would you want a
01:29:32.860director in a movie if she doesn't like what you're telling her to do she might say you0.99
01:29:36.980sexually harassed her like like she has said awful things about someone she worked with none of which
01:29:45.140were true and so who's gonna ever trust her again would you want her in your movie what about a
01:29:51.380kissing scene an intimate scene in the movie no no no i wouldn't trust her no and so she has set0.98
01:29:58.380herself up now for failure and let's be clear about this her career wasn't that hot she's not
01:30:03.780made 20 blockbuster movies she's not scarlett johansson she's made some really sort of weak
01:30:08.540films this film is arguably her most successful film she's she's ever made and she blew it
01:30:14.940she could have made a sequel the last two years instead of talking about this she could have been0.82
01:30:20.280talking about her hair care her products she could have been selling us moisturizer she could have
01:30:24.880been selling us a new movie she chose to to do this it was her decision the results have now
01:30:30.620have now come out and it's shocking to me after all that megan she still has to have that final0.99
01:30:36.320jab that final petty pettiness that we all see through and it might cost him she should have
01:30:43.940just walked away it's like did it was this not painful enough like did you did you not see
01:30:49.660yourself dragged enough as the bad facts came out about you like finally it's mercifully over right
01:30:56.340right walk away know when to walk away it's like a bad gambler right harry she didn't know when to
01:31:03.760walk away harry's lawsuit reminds me of this so much it was all based on narcissism it's all based
01:31:10.700on you said something you wrote something that i didn't like and now i'm going to go after
01:31:14.920journalists most journalists do not have the resources that that we might have and so so it
01:31:20.200was just it's messy ultimately though the the good news here is that we all now know the truth
01:31:26.460blake's poison well and and listen to what brian friedman uh the lawyer for justin baldoni happens
01:31:33.300to be my own as well uh wrote in the motion responding in their in their responsive pleading
01:31:39.440Quote, Lively's fee request is so over inclusive that it sweeps in fees for researching her own liability for perjury arising from her California human rights campaign claim and her Rule 11 motion, which is a motion for sanctions, which the court has already denied fees for.
01:32:00.900So she's lumped everything but the kitchen sink in here in an effort to recover this seven point five million dollars in attorney's fees and five hundred thousand dollars in expenses and costs for a total fee of eight million dollars.
01:32:16.380Brian argues in his pleading that the case was overstaffed.
01:32:20.140They billed multiple lawyers for the same hearings,
01:32:23.360numerous charges for lawyers conferencing and strategizing with one another,
01:32:27.280that it was overstaffed and billed more than 7,000 errors by 82 individuals,
01:32:33.480which is roughly 20 times what is typical in a comparable litigation.
01:32:38.120And he points out that the New York Times requested $181,000,
01:32:43.900not even $200,000 in attorney's fees after defeating the same claims.
01:40:57.900It takes a long time for it to come out.
01:40:59.800So if you start something when we are at the peak of a political moment, by the time it comes out, that moment might have passed.
01:41:07.060And so I think this had just missed the moment and it just wasn't very good.
01:41:12.800It was dull. It was boring. I was so aware that it was a super girl and that seemed to be more important than any plot.
01:41:20.040But it was a girl telling it. And so I think that ultimately, too, I looked at I looked at the research here.
01:41:25.880i looked at the box office women didn't show up that's why this movie didn't do very well0.95
01:41:31.460women didn't show up yeah we we don't want to be lectured to like this we certainly don't want a
01:41:36.980character running around reminding us there's no male figure there's no romance in it and that's
01:41:41.800empowering i think my character swings both ways okay all right goodbye goodbye we know what we're
01:41:48.020being spoon-fed it's same way like the left assumes that latinos are all against a strong border
01:41:52.640No, they're not. It's the opposite. Right. And they think women are going to want to they're going to feel empowered by watching this two pound, odd looking young person who's lecturing us about, you know, her character is what nine non-binary, whatever she says it is, as our new female role model.
01:42:08.520It's a no. It's a no. It's a no. We got to go. It's been a pleasure.0.84
01:42:12.040Thanks so much for being here. Good to see you. Take care.
01:42:16.080Rob Shooter, everybody check out Naughty, but nice.
01:42:18.640And also, it's starting with a whisper.