The Megyn Kelly Show - Horrifying Case of Left-Wing Terrorism, and Prince Harry's FAILED UK Trip, with Alex Phillips and Rob Shuter ｜ Ep. 1359

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00:00:30.600 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.300 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:00:44.600 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show on this Tuesday morning.

00:00:48.760 Gosh, is it Tuesday already? 0.94

00:00:50.520 We have a lot to get to today and we are going to kick it off with the horrific murder of

00:00:57.160 Anne Whittacombe. Anne Whittacombe was a former member of parliament in Great Britain and had

00:01:04.700 become somewhat of an elder stateswoman for the Reform UK party. She was 78 years old and

00:01:13.100 last week on Thursday, she was murdered. Originally, the police had said that this

00:01:21.200 had nothing to do with politics whatsoever. And then they did a dramatic 180, completely reversing

00:01:28.340 themselves and saying that new evidence had prompted Britain's national counter-terrorism

00:01:34.040 unit to take the lead, their counter-terrorism unit. The BBC just aired a press conference by

00:01:40.380 the head of counter-terrorism in the UK saying that this investigation is now on two tracks,

00:01:46.020 one, a murder investigation, and two, a counterterrorism investigation. What exactly

00:01:51.920 that means, whether that's just limited to Anne's politics or something beyond that in the way we

00:01:58.000 understand the word counterterrorism, I don't know. It's one of the questions we'll ask our

00:02:03.220 guest in a moment. But the UK Sun is reporting at this hour that while officers initially believed

00:02:10.460 this woman had died in a fall and did not realize that she'd been murdered until a day later,

00:02:16.020 there was a dramatic twist after counterterrorism took over following the examination of the

00:02:22.540 electronic devices of the suspect. What happened was they checked Ann's ring camera. It showed them

00:02:29.940 a man approaching her home and his car, along with his license plate reportedly. And they used

00:02:37.300 that information to track this suspect back to the Kimberworth area of Rotherham. And this was

00:02:45.320 about four hours away from Anne's home. He left his house reportedly around 8 a.m. He got to Anne's,

00:02:51.740 we believe, sometime afternoon. She is believed to have been killed at 1230. And the reason we

00:02:58.860 have interest in this, not only because it's a horrific story and it's very much dominating the

00:03:04.360 news in the UK, is that this feels very much like just the latest chapter in our assassination

00:03:12.500 culture, which is now predominant not only in the United States, but in one of our closest allies,

00:03:20.040 Great Britain, where again, a 78-year-old woman is believed to have been bludgeoned to death

00:03:26.460 because of her right-wing politics. I mean, this is shocking. It's hard to understand. It's

00:03:34.080 hard to believe. I mean, maybe it's not hard to believe. But when you hear some of Anne

00:03:39.060 Witticum's politics, it may become more clear to you, if you are a right-leaning independent like

00:03:47.440 I am, or officially right-wing here in America, how she came across the radar of some madman

00:03:54.720 with terror in his heart. Here's just a bit of Ann Witticum over the years on things like

00:04:02.820 immigration, gender, and Brexit, a movement of which she was a leader, Sot Foray.

00:04:08.780 We've made it very clear that if you arrive in this country illegally from a perfectly safe from,

00:04:17.660 which when I last looked France was, then you have no claim to asylum and you will be refused 0.97

00:04:27.340 and we will turn the boats around and send them back. 0.53

00:04:32.820 How can a nation be sovereign if it cannot immediately and at its own expense and at its own wish replenish the control of its borders as and when necessary?

00:04:51.640 but in short it can be done just as the control of illegal immigration can be done

00:05:03.540 just as policing knife and gun crime can be done and now school kids are being taught they can

00:05:13.720 identify as a cat now if i had a child who came home and said i'm a cat i would give it a bowl of

00:05:19.840 cat food in a bowl of milk and say okay then this is what cats get but I've no

00:05:23.780 respect for somebody who says oh I think I'm a woman you know I'll go into the 1.00

00:05:27.520 women's changing rooms rubbish rubbish Britain is leaving and it doesn't matter 0.99

00:05:35.080 which language you use we are going and we are glad to be going that's why we're 1.00

00:05:42.520 going

00:05:44.840 Well, here to discuss all of that and more is Alex Phillips.

00:05:54.080 She's a talk TV presenter, former member of European Parliament and a former aide to Nigel Farage.

00:06:01.740 She knew and very well.

00:06:04.180 And this is personal for Alex.

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00:07:15.440 licensed insurance agency alex thank you so much for being here so take us back to when you first

00:07:24.560 met ann and first started working with ann when you were i believe at the time both politicians

00:07:29.820 you would ultimately both wind up doing some tv but at the time both politicians yeah i mean look

00:07:35.220 nan and was a national treasure in this country everybody knew her everybody adored her at one

00:07:41.140 point whether you agreed with her politics or not because she was so unself-pitying she was

00:07:45.640 on strictly come dancing everyone's favorite ever competitor she would pop up on bits of reality tv 1.00

00:07:51.540 the big brother house she'd go on antique shows but she was always a firebrand she was always a

00:07:57.320 leader in politics and she was extremely well respected and she took the brave decision to

00:08:04.360 leave the Conservative Party and joined the Brexit Party after the 2016 referendum, came out of

00:08:10.180 retirement and was elected to the European Parliament alongside me and 29 of us all together

00:08:16.660 and her presence was just undeniable. I mean you can see from those speeches she was tiny,

00:08:24.420 diminutive little character but everyone was a little bit afraid of her because she was like 0.94

00:08:29.540 the strictest teacher at your school she would tell you directly what she thought she did things

00:08:34.880 for principal never for popularity and she was a very very dedicated christian a dedicated social

00:08:41.960 conservative and she was kind she was kind she she may have had views that she didn't agree with gay

00:08:49.640 marriage well you know a lot of true true conservative christians feel that way that is

00:08:54.920 what the book tells us that marriage is for a man and a woman didn't mean she had any phobia or

00:09:00.100 resentment or hatred of gay people in fact some of her closest friends were gay men and she just

00:09:07.000 she had her principles she had her positions and she wanted to see good done in this world

00:09:13.560 and then things changed things have changed especially since we've had a left-wing government

00:09:20.140 who have done all they can to demonise the right wing of politics, to call us extreme,

00:09:25.720 far right, to say that we are the politics of hate, that we're divisive, that we're extremists,

00:09:32.560 that we must be stopped. And this language has been coming out of the prime minister's mouth

00:09:39.200 for two years now, of almost every sitting cabinet minister, of their friends in the legacy media.

00:09:46.420 And you've had your own experience in America of young men, disturbed young men who live their lives online, might be taking artificial hormones for trans reasons or SRIs for depression, who are essentially being radicalised by the extreme left.

00:10:04.780 when you actually have a government call a political rival leading in the polls in this

00:10:11.340 country for two years now calling them extreme divisive hateful fascist nazi and saying they

00:10:20.480 must be stopped that to me is sanctioning action at a state level it is reckless and it is

00:10:29.900 irresponsible and a 78 year old woman in her cottage in rural England her sanctuary where

00:10:37.780 she should have felt safe she's no longer in frontline politics she was bludgeoned to death

00:10:44.340 and the police lied they tried to tell us oh this is probably a burglary gone wrong

00:10:49.180 oh she must have slipped and hit her head it's taken days for the verdict that actually

00:10:55.380 this is a terror attack to come out they don't like using the language now they're saying well

00:11:00.980 we don't know what the motive is oh well maybe it's an unpaid vet's bill maybe she was i don't

00:11:06.640 know in league with the drugs kingpin she owned money to we know what is going on and they still

00:11:13.260 won't speak its name and if they want to call it terrorism i will call it what it is it is left-wing

00:11:19.180 terrorism and at this point in the UK it is state sanctioned terrorism none of us are safe anymore

00:11:28.400 Nigel Farage is having to commit to round-the-clock security for anybody representing his party

00:11:33.580 elected or otherwise presenters like me are having to put in security measures because you look at

00:11:39.000 what's happened to Anne she just made the mistake of opening her front door that's it that is all

00:11:45.740 she did and all of us now live in fear and it's made me realize that they've wanted us to live

00:11:51.820 in fear for years whether it's debanking whether it's canceling us whether it's the risk of losing

00:11:57.200 our jobs social stigma ostracization public shaming they've now reached the level because

00:12:04.240 they have to up the ante because we won't stop fighting of using language that essentially

00:12:09.540 creates something that is called stochastic terrorism. It creates the environment in which

00:12:15.900 an individual or an organisation is portrayed as being an existential threat, in which people who

00:12:22.980 are significantly motivated and radicalised will go and act on that belief. And that has come all

00:12:29.740 the way from the top of government. You know about people being imprisoned for things they put on

00:12:34.680 social media you know about the tyranny of the left-wing government in the united kingdom well

00:12:40.800 it's reached a new level and this should be a wake-up call and yet what the state are doing

00:12:47.040 is trying to cover up trying to deflect trying to say that narjof raj is somehow politically

00:12:52.020 profiting from this he was appointed the person to disseminate the information about her death

00:12:58.720 he went to a memorial service with one of her closest surviving relatives her nephew and they're

00:13:04.280 trying to say oh look at him trying to do this to score points isn't he sick oh look he's got 0.96

00:13:09.360 five million pounds given to him that he didn't declare he broke the rules he's a crook the five 0.71

00:13:13.800 million he was given was before he became a politician and it was for personal security

00:13:19.220 and for good reason and we've now got in newspaper headlines one of the sickest most harrowing

00:13:25.560 disturbing stories that I've read in this country and they're relentless they won't stop the attacks

00:13:32.300 they won't stop the demonization part of me thinks they want more yeah oh well so well said

00:13:39.000 and very powerful and i think a lot of us over here can relate to this on a number of levels

00:13:43.460 um the government demonizing an entire group of people it being somewhat okay it seems to

00:13:50.600 assassinate somebody who's a leader in a political party and i'm thinking of course of charlie charlie

00:13:56.380 Kirk, as we watched school teacher after nurse, after what, you know, union member and so on,

00:14:04.540 come out and gleefully celebrate his assassination. This young man, father of two, husband, as if it

00:14:11.200 was, you know, he had it coming. Like, it's sad when anybody dies, but let's be honest, he had

00:14:16.460 it coming. He was a hateful man. And they go right to his politics. Yesterday was the two-year mark 0.99

00:14:22.120 since Butler, Pennsylvania, when they tried to assassinate President Trump, who'd been called a 0.65

00:14:26.600 fascist at every turn. The bullet, one of the bullets that was loaded for Charlie had, hey,

00:14:32.000 fascist written on it, had fascist written on it. I mean, the messaging, it's literally gone

00:14:38.020 across the pond now. And now we have, I mean, President Trump was about 78 when they took the

00:14:44.700 shot at him. And here's Anne, 78. And I'm interested in what you just said about you

00:14:51.360 think the police are actually lying about it because they paint it as, oh, we were mistaken.

00:14:55.080 We thought she fell down the stairs, which does seem a little odd, Alex, because it appears she

00:14:59.520 was bludgeoned with some sort of a wood club just to show the audience. There's ring camera obtained

00:15:04.360 by the UK sun. I'm going to show it here showing the suspect being arrested. And then there is

00:15:09.460 also this UK sun report showing footage of the suspect getting into his car with some kind of

00:15:15.340 wooden stick. So it appears he bludgeoned her over the head with a wooden stick. Seems like it'd be

00:15:19.900 tough to mistake that for a tumble down the stairs. Hold on, let me just show SOT1, which is

00:15:25.660 part of that UK Sun report. Neighbors later report seeing a man putting some kind of wooden stick

00:15:32.040 into the car on the day of the murder. Our exclusive CCTV footage shows him with an object

00:15:39.440 described as a wooden baton in his shorts pocket. The man left the Rotherham council house just

00:15:46.700 before 8 a.m. last Wednesday and is expected to have driven 267 miles to the MP and Strictly

00:15:54.500 Stars bungalow in Devon. I mean, for the listening audience, it's incredibly stunningly clear that

00:16:01.140 CCTV video, which clearly UK son got from it. It looks like maybe his neighbor. He's he's there.

00:16:08.200 You can see the baton sticking far out of his pocket. And it appears this large man took out

00:16:13.340 a nearly 80 year old lady with that baton and his heft. Go ahead, Alex. Yeah. I mean, gosh,

00:16:20.180 I can't, it's really hard for me to think about that. You know, I knew Anne personally and

00:16:24.960 it's harrowing to think of her being bludgeoned to death with a baseball bat in her own kitchen.

00:16:30.440 And if he'd come to her front door and said, you're a fascist, she'd have probably said, 0.78

00:16:33.200 oh, do come in, have a cup of tea. Don't be so silly. And a little old woman killed with a 1.00

00:16:40.160 baseball bat in her kitchen he drove 300 miles with that thing it was premeditated 0.88

00:16:45.720 uh you know they're going to paint the picture aren't they oh well he's got mental health issues 0.98

00:16:51.260 well you have to have mental health issues to drive 300 miles to club someone to death

00:16:55.780 it doesn't make it any less a terrorist incident or a political assassination it doesn't we've

00:17:03.020 got to move past this excuse of mental health and actually point the finger of blame at why

00:17:08.240 people have terrible mental health the paint the pictures they're being painted by the state by the

00:17:15.360 left wing by this so-called di and critical race theory training and all the rest of it which

00:17:21.340 psychological reports have likened to brainwashing for authoritarianism that is what it's doing and 0.80

00:17:30.420 it's not that different from islamist terrorists where you've got radical preachers and radical 1.00

00:17:35.260 clerics telling everybody that infidels are the problem in this world and they need to be gotten 0.99

00:17:39.580 rid of at any cost and someone hearing that material online and believing that it means

00:17:45.960 that they have to go out and attack somebody the parallels are undeniable and yet the messaging of

00:17:55.600 reform uk is dangerous the right wing is radical that they were killing babies in gaza or you know

00:18:03.320 whatever it may be whatever the hyperbole they use what is so alarming is that language is coming

00:18:09.240 from the state from the very center of government and being used as a political strategy now

00:18:15.800 something your audience might not know is in the aftermath of the assassination of charlie kirk

00:18:21.580 the state decided they had to review the security of nigel farage our most prominent most controversial

00:18:28.800 political leader they decided that he needed his security reduced by 70 percent what followed on

00:18:37.280 from that was the labor party conference the party of our own prime minister and what we witnessed

00:18:42.580 at that event was every single speaker who stood up to the dace who got behind a lectern who did

00:18:49.340 a tv interview repeated the same form of words that reform was the politics of hate reform must 0.85

00:18:56.280 be stopped that they're far-right that they're extremist that they're erasive racist xenophobic

00:19:03.480 homophobic all of it all the isms all the phobics it was coming speaker after speaker politician 0.81

00:19:10.300 after politician representative after representative from that Labour Party conference

00:19:14.140 like like an automatic round and straight in the aftermath right of the assassination of Charlie

00:19:21.260 kirk and stripping nigel farge of his security i'm sorry maybe this is all circumstantial maybe

00:19:26.700 it's all coincidence but if you wanted to create the circumstances for something like the brutal

00:19:33.300 but bludgeoning to death of a 78 year old retired politician in her kitchen who was once regarded

00:19:40.680 as a national treasure that's how you go about it and this is what's been going on for too long in

00:19:46.440 America and it's now picking up in the United Kingdom and we are afraid and when you're afraid

00:19:53.260 when you live in fear that you are being either socially shamed ostracized might lose your

00:19:59.580 livelihood might be disinvited from dinner parties might be cancelled might be punished won't get that

00:20:05.620 promotion at work and you know might even fear for your life you fear for saying things that

00:20:10.380 you believe that's living in terror and i call that terrorism and it's about time we on the right

00:20:18.940 started using precise vocabulary and stopped allowing them to tell us that we're the problem

00:20:26.880 that we're the dangerous ones and we're the divisive ones they don't even let us gracefully

00:20:32.360 and respectfully mourn our dead these people are monstrous absolutely right now i'm not going to

00:20:39.000 call them dangerous and divisive they have to be stopped at any cost although if I were to use

00:20:45.480 such rhetoric about anybody I think the shoe fits but I try and respect my political opponents

00:20:51.920 appreciate that they have different views sometimes I might learn from them or change my mind

00:20:57.260 sometimes they say things I agree with and I give them praise for that I give them credit

00:21:01.680 but on the right wing we think left wingers are just a bit mistaken and confused today on the

00:21:08.720 left wing of politics. They think we're evil. It's been it's been thus for a long time. You

00:21:16.600 know, I can't help but think in a little bit we're going to have a journalist named Rob Shooter come

00:21:20.720 on and he's going to talk about, among other things, this massive loss that Prince Harry had

00:21:24.920 in suing the media and blaming all sorts of details of his life that hit the pages of the

00:21:31.820 papers on evil journalists who are out there trying to destroy him. He lost. He lost heartily

00:21:37.060 in an embarrassing way. And it does occur to me, Prince Harry, who's got, you know,

00:21:44.080 millions and he's got over a hundred million dollars, thanks to Spotify and Netflix over

00:21:48.340 here and so on, not to mention what he got from his dad. There's nobody trying to kill Prince

00:21:53.220 Harry. He's fine. He's living his glorious life out in Montecito, but he wanted the British

00:21:59.760 government to cover his security. Meanwhile, these journalists whom he's harassing in court

00:22:05.420 now for years trying to convince a court that they're criminals who unnecessarily harassed him

00:22:11.980 and broke laws to get details about him, all of which was untrue. They actually are under threat.

00:22:18.100 People like you, you weren't involved in that lawsuit, but I'm saying journalists who have a

00:22:22.300 political take or a political history or like yours truly, I can relate to this, who now have

00:22:28.680 to live behind bulletproof glass with security teams. And most journalists don't make a lot of

00:22:34.660 money. Most journalists cannot afford that. And everything's been turned on its head because of

00:22:40.560 this left-wing messaging, which is cloaked under the guise of, we're the good guys. We're trying

00:22:45.700 to stop these evildoers on the right wing from spreading hate. Meanwhile, they're the ones

00:22:50.820 spreading hate and literally saying things that can be directly tied to these assassination

00:22:56.520 attempts, and in too many circumstances, successful ones. I think it's worth pointing

00:23:01.860 out as well certainly if you're in the public eye you've stuck your head above the parapet and

00:23:05.780 you're banging the drum for change you are very exposed but I think it's so worth pointing out

00:23:10.800 that this goes all the way down to the everyday citizen this goes down to Lucy Connolly who put

00:23:17.240 online a post saying okay burn the migrant hotels down for all that I care right and deleted it two

00:23:24.260 hours later she had lost a child when she found out about the horrific stabbings of those children

00:23:29.260 in Southport she was an ordinary citizen she was given 31 months in prison and then we have a

00:23:36.100 prime minister who's basically calling his political opponents dangerous fascists and

00:23:41.260 there are consequences to those words and he has freedom but this goes all the way down to

00:23:46.320 the school teacher that voted for Brexit being afraid to confess that in the staff room the

00:23:52.160 doctor practicing in a hospital who might have right-wing views but could never confess to his

00:23:57.040 colleagues because they've all had their DEI training they might report him for making them

00:24:01.960 feel unsafe it goes down to the local business who suddenly gets doxed for I don't know having

00:24:08.840 an Israeli flag who all of a sudden is an effort to pile on and prevent them from being able to

00:24:14.520 conduct their livelihood this affects everybody on the right wing yes some people are more exposed

00:24:20.720 than others because we have public profiles but it doesn't stop you know it started off at the

00:24:27.620 political leaders then it came down to the big influencers now everyday journalists but it goes

00:24:32.620 all the way to the last person which is why I call it tyranny and terrorism because it affects

00:24:39.680 everybody and it's horrific I would never have thought that the mother of parliamentary democracy

00:24:46.580 this little island which stormed into the first world war the second world war to save our

00:24:52.060 continental neighbors from authoritarianism this country which has never voted for fascism or

00:24:58.340 communism ever ever i would never have thought that the united kingdom could become what it is

00:25:05.160 today under this government especially oh the rotted setting a long time before that the 0.87

00:25:11.060 pernicious invasive cancerous spread of this sort of radical left-wing marxist culture in public

00:25:19.320 life in private life on legacy media shoved down your throats when it comes to the documentaries

00:25:25.080 you watch hollywood films you name it i mean how many hollywood stars are there that would turn

00:25:30.680 around and say i'm maga they would lose their massive advertising contracts oh no you make a

00:25:36.040 lot of money. The farthest they'll go is I'm an independent. Right. You make a lot of money

00:25:40.880 sucking off the left wing teeth. My life would be so much easier. You know, if I turn around Megan 0.94

00:25:44.500 and did a mea culpa, right? If I recanted my political views, like it was an era of Catholicism,

00:25:51.800 medieval Catholicism and said, I've been wrong to support Nigel Farage and work for him.

00:25:55.840 The scales have fallen from my eyes. I'm a recovered fascist. I would be given book

00:26:01.220 contracts i'd be given a cookery show you name it i would become the darling i'd be held up as an

00:26:07.080 example i could have the best most cozy life tomorrow with money in my bank or the security

00:26:13.420 i need but i wouldn't need it anymore would i but we don't do that we don't sell out and it drives

00:26:18.860 them mad because they can't understand why we persevere because they don't have compassion

00:26:23.840 they don't have belief all they have is hatred and we actually have i was just thinking about this

00:26:32.560 alex because this is just one example but over here in america there's this journalist by the 0.99

00:26:38.560 name of kara swisher she's a far left winger and she traffics in hate directed at the right wing 1.00

00:26:47.100 every name in the book she's used against president trump against anybody in the right 1.00

00:26:51.400 wing. She's demonized, dehumanized and so on. And I noticed that CNN, where she has some sort 0.99

00:26:58.380 of contributorship deal, has launched a show with her about travel, you know, or she wants to live

00:27:04.520 forever. I don't know what she's doing, but she's either going to be doing health stuff or travel

00:27:08.040 stuff, but some sort of amorphous, you know, lifestyle type offering. Now you tell me, I don't

00:27:14.420 know how it is in the UK, here in America, they would never, never allow an open right-winger

00:27:21.820 to host a non-political show like that. If you are openly right-wing or conservative,

00:27:29.200 you're otherized, you're demonized, you are acceptable only to that wing. You would never

00:27:34.740 be chosen for an advertisement campaign of any kind. All these celebrities over here who openly

00:27:40.320 endorsed Kamala Harris in the last election and came out and like said very controversial things

00:27:45.600 about the right wing and why you shouldn't vote for Donald Trump. They get huge multi-million

00:27:50.040 dollar ad campaign deals. It's not even a thought to cast them in roles where they're supposed to

00:27:55.560 be accepted by both sides or give them millions to advertise watches that are supposed to be

00:28:00.400 bought by both sides. But left winger, you know, the fine right winger, never. The double standard

00:28:06.360 is as plain as the nose on your face. Right. I mean, the trappings of being a foot soldier for

00:28:10.600 authoritarianism is brilliant, isn't it? I mean, you can make a lot of money by, you know, being

00:28:15.800 in line and saying all the right things. You know, God help you if you decide to leave the cult or

00:28:21.220 ever want to speak up against it. But this is what I'm saying. It goes down to the lowest strata in

00:28:26.880 society. You won't become a headmaster of a state school if you happen to say that you, you know,

00:28:32.040 supported Nigel Farage you would be blocked so they want you to feel that you can't get a job

00:28:38.300 that you're excommunicated from society that you will lose things if you don't back their

00:28:44.660 worldview they want you to know that everything that you own that you hope for is on the table

00:28:52.120 when it comes to sacrificing what you've got for what you believe in including now your life

00:28:58.820 it i just i i don't know where we stop now because you know the more we stand up the dirtier their

00:29:06.620 tactics are going to have to become they're not going to let let go they're holding on tightly

00:29:11.660 to the levers of power and the more that the mask slips the more that we peek behind the curtain and

00:29:17.560 begin to understand what's going on what are they going to do they're not going to throw the towel

00:29:22.820 in they're going to become more and more extreme and what i'm seeing in the aftermath of ann's

00:29:26.740 murder is this doubling down this you know this exacerbation of situations and circumstances

00:29:33.480 with their ever cruel critical cynical confected rhetoric you know truth doesn't mean anything to

00:29:41.760 them they've inverted all of it inverted morality inverted the truth the good guys the bad guys the

00:29:46.080 bad guys are the good guys and it's become so pervasive so insidious as you know in america

00:29:52.800 you've been through this you know i think you will start you started going through this long

00:29:56.480 before we did we've imported it hook line and sinker we've elected it it's in number 10 downing

00:30:02.520 street that's what's so scary right now and what we need is a democratic change that will stand up

00:30:07.920 to this and reverse it all but the fight for that is going to be well bloody deadly i don't know

00:30:15.960 what words am i supposed to use now my colleagues been yes it's already underway it's already

00:30:21.260 underway and and was a casualty of it you um is is this your blog to which you posted why did they

00:30:27.960 pretend left-wing terrorism doesn't exist right that's on my sub stack i think that's your blog

00:30:32.300 yeah your sub stack my sub stack yeah and it's so good it's worth everybody's time to go click on

00:30:37.980 it again it's it reads why do they pretend left-wing terrorism does not exist by alex phillips

00:30:42.220 and you write the following now i face a choice try to fight get 24-hour surveillance secure my

00:30:49.280 home, double down despite the opposing might of the machine, the David and Goliath dimension of

00:30:54.600 the battle, lose more hair, more sleep and more sanity, lose my right to live normally, privately

00:30:59.980 and peacefully, ignore the cruel words, vile slurs, spiteful memes, lies, attacks and public

00:31:05.340 admonishments from total strangers, wake up every day to that now familiar physical pain of feeling

00:31:11.080 garroted. Lay it all down for a battle that increasingly feels unwinnable. Or retreat.

00:31:19.120 Delete my entire social media footprint. Stage a fake recanting. Denounce my politics publicly

00:31:23.820 to feel the protection of the system I long to rid the nation of. Get more money, better jobs,

00:31:28.080 public forgiveness. Drink from the cup of corrupt prosperity. The left-wing money fountain of reward

00:31:34.420 for saying the right things. A scalp like mine would be highly treasured. The ransom would be

00:31:39.480 rich. If I gave up my ideals under the media spotlight, I'd fast become a darling of the

00:31:44.280 legacy media. The trappings of converse of conversion would indeed be many. I could sleep

00:31:49.880 at night, forge a proper relationship, eat where I want, lap up the mawkish adoration from loveys,

00:31:56.600 be transmogrified into a mainstream treasure, get a cooking show, sell some books, get the fairy tale

00:32:02.740 ending. I think you know what I have chosen. Like Anne, I am a believer. That resonates with me so

00:32:12.300 strongly. And I'm sure it resonates with a lot of the people watching this right now. And the stakes

00:32:17.440 are incredibly high. And yet, that's exactly why we must fight. Yeah. I mean, if we don't fight

00:32:25.100 what it's all been for, I mean, what would we leave to the children of this country? What do we

00:32:29.560 do we have a country to leave in the end you know what's so crazy is you know the west spent

00:32:36.080 half of the last century and trillions of dollars fighting communism and somehow it's now taken over

00:32:43.160 pretty much all of our public facing institutions and non-governmental organizations civic society

00:32:49.960 and it's more brutal it's more punitive it's more unforgiving um it's more tyrannical than

00:32:58.600 even in communist countries quite frankly and we've been gaslit that it doesn't exist

00:33:03.300 we've been gaslit that we are fantasists in fact we're the dangerous ones that we are the

00:33:08.060 fascistic ones censoring people making people feel scared and vulnerable unsafe

00:33:13.540 it's it's it's like being in a relationship with a narcissistic abuser and you start to

00:33:20.620 doubt yourself and you you do think wouldn't it be easier just to be suppling wouldn't it be easier

00:33:25.540 to be a supplicant and just allow them to steer me around and do what they say because life would

00:33:31.180 be easier. I'm not made of that soul, sadly. I'm going to fight. Yes, same as Anne did and hope

00:33:40.280 and pray for a societal change that stops our own endings from looking anything like hers and that 0.66

00:33:45.040 of anybody else who's in the political arena. Anne went on with Graham Norton, who's got his own TV

00:33:52.080 show in 2010. And he asked her a question about legacy. Here's how she answered Sat4B.

00:34:00.320 Do you feel a bit sad that whatever political legacy you might have had has now been totally

00:34:06.200 wiped out by you flying around? I'm not at all saddened by it for this reason. I mean, OK,

00:34:13.580 you know, none of us know how long we're going to live. I could die tomorrow, but I could if I

00:34:17.080 followed my mother, for example, live another three decades. I do not know what's going to

00:34:21.560 come up and what I'm going to do in that time. So I may be remembered neither for politics nor

00:34:26.580 for strictly, but for something else that I can't even foresee at the moment. And we get one go

00:34:31.800 this side of eternity. One go. It's not a dress rehearsal. It's one go. And you make the most of

00:34:38.260 it. And you take opportunities that come along that you like and you go for it. And that's my

00:34:43.500 philosophy. I didn't know her as you did, Alex, but it seems to me and would be looking at this

00:34:51.480 conversation, looking at anybody having this struggle internally, even in the wake of her

00:34:56.780 murder, and would be sticking by exactly what she said. Oh, Megan, she'd be telling us off,

00:35:02.480 actually. If I'm honest with you, she'd be telling us to buck up, get on with it,

00:35:06.540 stop being so silly, stop being so self-pitying. That's what was phenomenal about her. 0.99

00:35:14.260 Yeah, gosh, I didn't even know her, but I feel like I've lost somebody too, and I'll miss her,

00:35:19.760 and I trust not in the British police system, but in people like you to keep them honest as

00:35:27.460 this goes forward about exactly what was behind this and how to stop more of it. Alex, thank you.

00:35:32.640 Alex Phillips, everybody. Thanks so much. We hope to see you again. Thank you.

00:35:36.740 Okay. We're going to bring in Rob Shooter. He's here to talk about another story out of the UK

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00:37:23.620 Joining me now, Rob Shooter.

00:37:25.200 He's a celebrity reporter and author of the book, It Started With a Whisper, which, by the way, is a great summer read if you're looking for something fun, and also authors the naughty but nice Substack.

00:37:36.380 He's also a former royal reporter. So he knows a lot about the UK and those people who live in

00:37:42.640 these palaces over there. Rob, great to see you again. Hey, good to see you, my friend. Good to 0.87

00:37:46.200 be back. So this loss, I mentioned it in my segment with Alex Phillips. This is a whopper.

00:37:53.720 And Prince Harry may have to spend millions now, millions, because loser typically pays when you

00:38:01.680 lose a lawsuit in the UK. And he, to put it frankly, got his ass handed to him by this judge. 0.99

00:38:08.660 It was about reporting that it happened in the UK over the course of 18 years, Rob, 18 years 0.96

00:38:16.760 from back when he was dating Chelsea Davey and all these other young sort of romances he had

00:38:24.800 many moons ago. And he seems to have gone through every article ever written about his personal life

00:38:30.760 And accused the journalists involved, mostly the Daily Mail owned by Associated newspapers, of using illegal means to to get these scoops and Associated put its reporters up one after the other to defend these claims, saying we did nothing illegal.

00:38:51.060 This is not an illegal wiretap situation. We broke no laws. We actually just worked the story like shoe leather reporters got sources and managed to convince this judge that they had done absolutely nothing illegal.

00:39:05.600 The whole thing was dismissed. There were claims by other celebrities, including Elton John, dismissed, all dismissed up and down.

00:39:13.280 And now there's a real question about whether Harry risked too much, because if the legal bills were as substantial as they reportedly are claiming with maybe 50 million pounds having been spent to defend these lawsuits, I think we can safely say that he does not have that to spare.

00:39:32.700 So Associated Newspapers is probably going to seek this from all the defendants, like across defendants.

00:39:39.480 Elizabeth Hurley was another plaintiff, some others who I don't know as well.

00:39:43.240 But you tell me what you make of this resounding beating he took.

00:39:47.260 First of all, it was an absolute resounding beating.

00:39:50.540 It was thrown out and the judge was almost annoyed that this had got as far as it had.

00:39:56.760 people were perplexed when harry started this when he went after the daily mail this was for

00:40:04.040 stories a long time ago talk about holding a grudge talk about not being able to move on him

00:40:12.100 and megan present themselves as happier than ever living in montecito and here's harry still fighting

00:40:17.720 battles from from decades ago so nobody really understood why he was doing this i know from my

00:40:23.740 sources. He was advised not to do this. Any reputable lawyer that he spoke to in London would

00:40:30.340 tell him this is almost impossible to prove and hence to win and you've got to provide some proof.

00:40:37.140 Harry ignored all that. I think he proved how arrogant he really is. He is still angry about a

00:40:43.900 story in a newspaper from 20 years ago and if you upset this prince he's going to get you. Doesn't

00:40:51.320 matter how long it takes he's going to come for you he went for the newspaper and then he went

00:40:56.900 for the individual journalists and really went after them in the most vicious way and they all

00:41:03.580 took the stand one after another and some of them reasonably said i don't exactly remember what

00:41:10.420 happened 20 years ago but what i do know is that if we were hacking his phone that i would remember

00:41:17.800 And there was absolutely no evidence, a waste of time.

00:41:21.860 Britain is in a very tough position at the moment.

00:41:24.760 You just talked about the tragic passing of Anne.

00:41:27.400 Police resources, the courts are backlogged.

00:41:30.220 This was a total waste of time.

00:41:32.800 And now it looks, thankfully, as if someone's going to have to pay a price and that person's going to be Harry.

00:41:39.560 But it just goes to show you, does it not, Rob, how paranoid he is.

00:41:44.700 he all of his problems are someone else's fault and the media is number one on his list who he

00:41:54.560 blames for princess diana's death he blames for everything bad that's ever happened to him of

00:41:59.620 course he blames the royal family for half of this as well uh and to the point where he's filed

00:42:04.820 multiple lawsuits against journalists who have far less power than he does because unlike virtually

00:42:11.000 every other public figure, including Wills and Kate, he will never take it like a man and

00:42:18.760 understand that the enormous privilege of having the palaces and the crown jewels and the name and

00:42:26.360 the titles and all the access that gets you does have a downside. And it allows newspapers who are

00:42:33.420 very interested in you, which is also a blessing to write things about you. And they may not always

00:42:37.800 be flattering that's exactly what it is megan this harry has turned into britain's blake lively

00:42:43.880 if she doesn't like something if he doesn't like something that you say about them then you should 0.61

00:42:49.880 be sued you have broken the law yes and that is absolutely ridiculous harry is cross because he's

00:42:57.780 not getting the coverage that he wants i don't think he really cares about 20 years ago i think

00:43:02.980 he cares now but he can't do anything about what they write about him now but he can try and do

00:43:09.920 something about the past based on a really paranoid twisted warped sense of reality but he's literally 0.98

00:43:18.020 as they would say in britain been handed his bottom he has been handed his ass and this has 0.99

00:43:23.520 absolutely fell apart normally though with harry when things don't go well he blames somebody else 0.99

00:43:29.180 Remember when he blamed in his book, he blamed Catherine and William for him dressing as a Nazi.

00:43:34.720 He did that in his book.

00:43:36.080 And so he blames people for every individual action, finally.

00:43:42.200 And I don't, I can't, I've been trying to think about this, Megan.

00:43:45.720 I don't remember a moment in his life when he's really been held accountable.

00:43:50.380 He has.

00:43:51.180 And he's been held accountable by the courts.

00:43:53.860 And now it's going to cost him.

00:43:55.740 And he doesn't have it.

00:43:56.720 He does not have this money.

00:43:57.960 He comes out and criticizes the decision, which is over 400 pages long.

00:44:03.240 Clearly, this judge put a lot of thought into it, paid very close attention to the testimonials that were offered.

00:44:08.360 Harry had more than ample opportunity to prove that these scoops were gotten through illegal means.

00:44:14.740 He was unable to do it, and he calls it a complete and obvious whitewash.

00:44:20.940 We came to court seeking justice and accountability.

00:44:23.580 we have received neither uh which for a royal which he technically is still a royal is those

00:44:31.000 are fighting words because they're taught to be respectful of the systems you know to be to tread

00:44:35.560 lightly when you're talking about folks like judges but no he let him have it because he lost

00:44:40.480 this one and he can't take it um meanwhile this guy who supposedly hates this royal family so much

00:44:46.940 that he needed to leave he you know megsit we talked about brexit with alex this was megsit he

00:44:52.560 and his wife fled first for toronto then for sadly for us america and he goes on a podcast on july

00:45:01.760 13th just yesterday and when asked about what his occupation was by the podcaster joe marler

00:45:09.580 um in a show called we'll see you now listen to how he answers okay how about this one occupation

00:45:17.020 uh full-time dad uh british army veteran prince of england duke but uh for today um i don't know

00:45:29.580 what do you want juke we go with the juke yeah yeah obviously uh for today as well because of

00:45:36.460 where we are okay yeah sure the inventor would you call yourself the inventor or the inventor of

00:45:42.300 of the Invictus Games?

00:45:44.020 Yeah.

00:45:44.420 Inventor?

00:45:45.040 Founder?

00:45:45.740 Founder.

00:45:46.280 Founder, yeah.

00:45:46.700 That's probably the better word.

00:45:47.860 All right, okay, great.

00:45:48.500 Yeah, fair enough.

00:45:49.060 Jinx slash inventor, yeah.

00:45:51.220 Oh, Lord, he's just like his wife.

00:45:53.020 Founder.

00:45:53.760 I'm a founder.

00:45:54.800 But how about that?

00:45:55.680 Prince of England, Duke.

00:45:57.240 He settles on Duke.

00:45:58.240 That's his current occupation.

00:45:59.720 It is?

00:46:02.180 He doesn't have a job.

00:46:03.560 He's never had a job.

00:46:04.500 He was in the army for a while.

00:46:06.340 I think we have to tip our hats

00:46:07.580 to that a little bit,

00:46:08.700 but he did get special treatment.

00:46:09.960 Let's be very clear about that, too.

00:46:12.300 He doesn't have a job.

00:46:13.440 He doesn't know what it is to get up and work every day.

00:46:16.000 He doesn't know what it is to hustle every day.

00:46:18.520 He has extraordinary privilege.

00:46:20.220 And it's just too bad that he's decided to squander it and to waste it.

00:46:25.460 And that's what I think makes people so angry here,

00:46:28.520 is that Harry is always complaining, always moaning,

00:46:31.880 and you just want to shake him.

00:46:33.240 Because I think if any of us had 10% of what he has been given,

00:46:38.620 our lives would be just so much different.

00:46:41.480 And so it's so frustrating. The Bricks have had it with him. I think any hope of this trip being a comeback has failed miserably. And it's his own. It's his own fault. And I'm also too perplexed about why he's doing these interviews.

00:46:58.160 Like, he never leaves an interview and you're liking more, even people that are friendly to Harry, see the most basic questions.

00:47:08.600 What do you do for a living?

00:47:09.880 What do you do?

00:47:10.980 And he's a prince of England.

00:47:12.640 But it also tells you how much that actually means to him.

00:47:15.520 He pretends it doesn't mean anything to him.

00:47:17.560 He pretends that he doesn't care.

00:47:19.440 It is in his soul.

00:47:21.240 It is in every fibre of him, Meghan.

00:47:23.380 He is a prince of England.

00:47:25.200 And how dare you forget it?

00:47:26.580 And how dare the other royals not treat him as one?

00:47:30.280 That's where all the anger comes from.

00:47:33.060 He still needs it.

00:47:35.100 So you mentioned this trip because what's happened is he's over there in the UK making the rounds.

00:47:39.820 There was a big row, as the Brits say, about whether he would stay at Buckingham Palace and whether he would get the full protections that a working royal would get or even, you know, like a British prime minister.

00:47:56.360 And the answer was no, you will not.

00:47:58.180 You're not a working royal and you're not a prime minister and you can pay for your own security.

00:48:02.780 And the British taxpayer shouldn't have to pay for that.

00:48:04.720 He threw a hissy fit, as he has every time.

00:48:07.260 They ultimately did invite him to stay at Buckingham Palace.

00:48:09.820 He didn't get back to them in time.

00:48:12.060 Finally, they said, we no longer can accommodate you because this is not something we can turn on a dime.

00:48:17.100 It's not like me saying, Rob, you want to come stay with me at the Jersey Shore?

00:48:20.200 No problem.

00:48:20.960 We don't have to worry about layers and layers of security and guns and all the stuff and the staff at Buckingham Palace.

00:48:27.760 So anyway, he was aggrieved.

00:48:29.840 Well, there are reports now that he and Meghan, so she did tag along for a meeting with the king, with the two grandchildren.

00:48:37.280 That was her ticket in.

00:48:38.700 And there are reports that they stayed at the home of Charles Spencer, Diana's brother, which, okay, 0.94

00:48:48.720 before you start crying in your soup for the poor sussexes look at this guy's estate hold on we're 0.90

00:48:55.920 going to show you it i think it's nicer than buckingham palace i think it's bigger the grounds

00:49:01.860 are spectacular we'll put it on the board in a second but it this this is just the pond this is

00:49:07.280 reportedly um where princess diana is buried and by the way i can give you my own little exclusive

00:49:14.420 report here. A source tells me that Meghan was there in 2023, and that at the time, Charles

00:49:21.120 Spencer, Diana's brother, was very concerned about her time on this island where Diana's buried.

00:49:28.480 She and Harry took the rowboat to the island to see where Diana was, you know, her remains were,

00:49:32.900 and that was when they were filming material for Netflix. Look at this home. It looks like

00:49:37.780 Downton Abbey. It's bigger than Downton Abbey for the listening audience. Poor Harry wound up here

00:49:44.220 possibly, Rob. We're not totally

00:49:46.140 sure of it. And we're supposed to

00:49:48.140 feel sad for him. It's so

00:49:50.000 ridiculous. It's such a rich 0.99

00:49:52.200 people trouble. Bucket

00:49:54.120 and Palace is not a hotel.

00:49:56.060 So when you phone up a hotel, you can get a

00:49:58.180 room tonight. You can get one in

00:49:59.960 a couple of hours. It's just not set up like

00:50:02.120 that. And I know it feels a little

00:50:04.220 petty, a little weird that they didn't

00:50:06.100 have room for him. It just needed

00:50:08.120 a little bit of notice. And he didn't have the decency

00:50:10.380 to tell them that.

00:50:12.120 So ultimately, he couldn't stay there.

00:50:13.960 My sources are saying he stayed at Althrop Park, which is just a magnificent home.

00:50:19.400 And it's where Diana grew up.

00:50:20.880 It's also where she is buried.

00:50:23.580 I hope they didn't take photographs of the grave.

00:50:26.980 I hope we don't get pictures of the children by the headstone.

00:50:31.060 But with these two, you never really know.

00:50:34.080 And so Diana's brother has every reason to be nervous.

00:50:38.900 You don't know what these two are going to do.

00:50:41.320 Yes, he was.

00:50:42.420 He was reportedly, according to my source, nervous the first time back in 2023 that they were going to film Diana's grave or themselves inappropriately on the grounds of where she grew up for Netflix.

00:50:54.700 That's, I mean, what he thinks of them.

00:50:56.480 So while he gave Harry a landing pad, he's clearly got their number.

00:51:03.020 Now, you've got some exclusive reporting out about because Meghan and Harry reportedly think this was a huge win that King Charles agreed to meet with them.

00:51:12.120 They, of course, lured this elderly man in with the promise of seeing his grandchildren, whom have been withheld from him for all these years because they have these petty grievances, these champagne caviar problems.

00:51:26.340 Well, Rob's got exclusive reporting on It's What You Didn't See that puts the lie to that claim.

00:51:32.140 We've got much more to go through.

00:51:33.840 Rob Shooter stays with us.

00:51:35.440 Also, what Wills and Kate are up to.

00:51:37.520 And then we'll get into some politics.

00:51:39.760 Stay tuned. 0.61

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00:54:20.060 Rob Shooter's back with me. He is the author of It Started With a Whisper.

00:54:24.700 Great summer read, truly. Place your order now, you won't be sorry. And his sub stack is

00:54:29.720 naughty but nice the perfect name for rob um okay rob so so they got over there and she finally got

00:54:37.360 what she wanted she wanted time with the king what is the point of marrying a prince of england

00:54:43.120 if you're not going to get face time with the head royal in the palace and king charles it's

00:54:48.760 always difficult like i think many people can relate to this if you have a sibling causing

00:54:53.040 trouble in the family i think the siblings are the first ones to want to do tough love

00:54:57.720 And the parent is the last one who wants to do the tough love because we're all softies for our kids.

00:55:03.460 So King Charles still can be manipulated by Harry and certainly the promise of spending time with his grandchildren, of whom he doesn't have that many.

00:55:13.300 He only has two sons. So he's got William's three kids and now Harry's two, who he doesn't know hardly at all, was too much for him.

00:55:20.860 and he agreed to see this family of Sussexes.

00:55:25.200 But you say this is actually not some huge win

00:55:28.240 for the Duke and Duchess.

00:55:30.740 Why?

00:55:31.080 Yeah, so Meghan desperately needs to remind the world 0.99

00:55:33.540 that she is associated with royalty. 1.00

00:55:36.340 Her deals have really dried up

00:55:38.780 and she didn't get any of those deals

00:55:40.000 because of some talent.

00:55:42.280 She got all those deals when she married him.

00:55:44.700 She did not have a hundred million dollar deal

00:55:47.080 before she became the Duchess. 0.99

00:55:49.060 And so she's figured out she's not stupid.

00:55:50.680 i've met megan several times i've interviewed her over the years she figured out that after 0.86

00:55:56.620 everything failed the way back is to remind the world again that she's a member of this royal

00:56:02.640 family it's so interesting to me the one thing that makes her interesting is that she married

00:56:08.100 a royal so trying to run away from that is just a terrible brand strategy it's an awful thing too

00:56:14.860 on a human level on a family level but i don't think for one minute she wanted to meet the king 1.00

00:56:19.780 so that she could fix this family i think it was a business decision a business idea and so she

00:56:26.060 desperately wanted a photograph we know the world we live in we know the world of social media we

00:56:32.280 want to see a picture of the king of megan of the children of harry of everybody smiling

00:56:36.900 the palace said absolutely not this is not a state visit this is not even an official visit

00:56:44.280 this is a family visit and so there's no photographs and so because of that it's i think

00:56:50.720 that's the clearest example i have of why this didn't exactly work out the way she wanted it

00:56:56.540 to she she wanted the king's embrace and if she got that if she got that seal of approval that

00:57:02.780 good housekeeping seal of approval she would be able to monetize that she would be able to use

00:57:08.320 that to her advantage and the palace was very smart on this one they said come and meet him

00:57:13.360 He's an old man. He wants to meet the grandkids. He's a father here. He's not a king. He's a

00:57:18.080 grandfather here. He's not a king. And because of all that, because of all the above, there will be

00:57:23.640 no official photographer there. There'll be no photographs leaked. And so I think here that she

00:57:29.820 didn't exactly get what she wants and she certainly didn't win. A lot of us were frightened that Meghan

00:57:36.140 would be able to manipulate the king. But I think in this instinct, nothing has changed. They met

00:57:41.000 for an hour and a half they had tea they talked about stuff that had no big relevance small talk

00:57:46.940 there's no one better than the royal family for making chit chat if ever you've been around the

00:57:51.600 royals they say nothing it's like cotton candy they just talk and they don't say anything and

00:57:57.420 so he could sit there for an hour and a half and say absolutely nothing so if she went in wanting

00:58:01.720 to have a peace plan or or a rehabilitation plan or um maybe get him to advertise her jam i don't

00:58:08.180 No, none of that happened. So they certainly didn't win.

00:58:11.760 So if the palace wanted to have a real reconciliation and to telegraph that to the world, what would they have done?

00:58:18.760 It would have been a photograph. They would have had a BBC camera crew there.

00:58:22.100 They would have done this not out in the country. This was at an estate hours outside London.

00:58:28.840 It would have been much more central. And so the fact it was at Highgrove, a beautiful place, a magnificent house to go to.

00:58:36.020 it wasn't at an official palace this is a private residence it is owned by the royal family it's not

00:58:44.320 owned by the state if they wanted to give a message that their friends again they would have had them

00:58:50.740 visit them in clarence house they would have had them come to buckingham palace i don't think they

00:58:54.840 would have gone out on the balcony and waved to the crowd but they would have had photographs taken

00:58:59.220 we would have had images of them arriving smiling leaving and then afterwards they would have put

00:59:05.620 had a statement saying how wonderful it was to see them again and to see the grandchildren.

00:59:10.720 No statement, no photographs, nothing. Meanwhile, has the king had any meaningful contact with

00:59:18.700 these grandchildren since they were born? No. I mean, these two have had them shepherded away

00:59:24.520 in Montecito, where they're spending lots of time with, who's the guy? Tyler Perry,

00:59:29.800 their celebrity godfather but their actual grandfather they don't know him at all and

00:59:36.460 and he doesn't know them yeah it's a real cruel because he is a king but but he's still a human

00:59:41.820 being and he is a man and all my reporting on him throughout the years and this is confirmed by by

00:59:47.680 other reporters too he's a softy he's quite a sweet guy in fact i think his softness can sometimes be

00:59:54.860 used against him. He's a terribly decent man. Is he a strong man? Is he a man that you want in

01:00:01.260 charge? Maybe not, but he's a very decent person. And for these two to be doing this to a man with

01:00:08.940 cancer, he's doing better, thankfully. And nobody knows him better than his son. Harry knows all

01:00:15.100 his weaknesses. He knows all the buttons to press. He would love to have a relationship

01:00:20.100 with these grandchildren.

01:00:22.120 He doesn't.

01:00:22.600 They've Skyped.

01:00:23.500 They've made some phone calls.

01:00:24.920 But this wasn't what they wanted.

01:00:28.440 They would love to be able to fix this

01:00:31.500 on a family level, Megan.

01:00:33.320 But that's what the problem is here.

01:00:35.040 Harry and Megan are not interested

01:00:36.460 in fixing the family.

01:00:37.880 They want a professional relationship.

01:00:39.900 It's about the money.

01:00:40.980 It's about the association to royalty.

01:00:42.960 It's about being close to power.

01:00:44.720 And so they're both coming at it

01:00:46.820 from a very different place.

01:00:48.300 And that's why we're never

01:00:49.220 going to get a solution.

01:00:50.760 Poor Thomas Markle.

01:00:52.320 If only he had some money to offer them.

01:00:54.860 Maybe he too would get a visit from his daughter so he could know his grandkids.

01:01:00.960 But he's not going to get any phone call, is he, Rob?

01:01:03.280 Because he doesn't wear a crown.

01:01:05.000 Yeah, not powerful enough. 0.99

01:01:06.900 You know, Meghan has a long history of dumping friends, of dumping people when she doesn't 1.00

01:01:11.140 need them anymore. 1.00

01:01:12.100 And she certainly climbed the ladder doing that.

01:01:15.160 She always wanted to be one of the most famous people in the world.

01:01:18.280 she is that but i would argue it's come at a really ugly cost there's nobody left around them

01:01:23.880 they fell out with the beckhams now this lawsuit could could end their relationship with elton

01:01:28.380 john elton john has been very kind to this couple he sent them his private plane to bring them to

01:01:33.760 france on vacation he performed at their wedding elton john was the wedding singer at the royal

01:01:39.860 wedding and now this lawsuit it's everything they touch here it just turns to you know what it just

01:01:48.000 they're the chaos couple it felt like the circus was in town and i think that the best way to

01:01:55.180 punish them if you're not close to them if you don't like them is just to ignore them that's

01:01:59.720 ultimately what these two can't stand and that's what the king did and i also think too i just have

01:02:05.380 to say because it did make me giggle i used to work for princess michael of kent i was a publicist

01:02:10.200 here in america so i've dealt with the british royal family i've worked with their press office

01:02:13.880 they really are good at changing the narrative that they're real experts at spin and so while

01:02:20.140 harry and the kids and megan were meeting with the king in windsor just outside london william

01:02:26.400 was at a polo match and he kissed kate and that's the photograph that ran around the world the next

01:02:32.020 day that's the picture wait do we i think we have that hold on let's see that uh it's a soundbite

01:02:37.560 That's seven.

01:02:38.420 Watch.

01:02:39.300 ...to have him here in his busy schedule,

01:02:41.640 His Royal Highness, the Prince of Wales.

01:02:50.540 This is Cade is clapping for him.

01:02:52.820 Now they're kissing cheek to cheek, each cheek.

01:02:56.740 That's how you win the story.

01:02:58.060 That's how you win the narrative.

01:02:59.140 You know, Megan, that I used to be a publicist

01:03:01.400 before I was a reporter, a gossip columnist.

01:03:03.580 One of my clients was Jessica Simpson.

01:03:05.560 and jessica simpson on the day that nick lachey's they broke up they had a very ugly breakup 0.99

01:03:10.520 on the day that his new album came out jessica dyed her hair red and she got all the press

01:03:16.220 she just went out of her way to steal a story and this is what the palace did on the day that

01:03:22.360 they met and then the next day was wimbledon the tennis and then we saw the royal family in the 0.93

01:03:26.900 royal box too this is how they win this argument not by taking on the sussexes not by going after 0.98

01:03:33.020 them by ignoring them. So you're saying that the, the kiss, because we don't see them kiss each 1.00

01:03:39.900 other a lot. We see them holding hands or whatever, but that kissing on the left cheek and the right

01:03:43.680 cheek, that moment was prescripted in your belief because they knew it would get picked up everywhere.

01:03:49.400 Yeah, absolutely. I've really done this a long time. A tip, everybody, if you see a celebrity

01:03:54.140 and a photographer captures them somewhere and they're in full hair and makeup, it's probably

01:03:59.580 staged now if they're picking their nose at starbucks or if they're squashing a spot on their

01:04:04.780 face that is probably a legitimate photograph so 90 of the photographs you see are staged look at

01:04:11.400 them it looks fabulous look at the angle look where the camera is look at the lighting i know

01:04:16.280 it's natural light oh it's amazing and she was not meant to go to this polo match on the original

01:04:21.120 schedule kate wasn't on that schedule so in the last minute they said to kate you know kate maybe

01:04:28.160 you should put on a pretty dress and go and kiss your husband and she did it and so this is what

01:04:32.920 everybody's talking about this moment what they nailed it they're everyone's rooting for them 0.70

01:04:38.160 and they're obviously the a-listers whereas these sussexes are d-list they reportedly now i think it

01:04:44.680 was you who reported that megan markle was dying for an invite to taylor swift's wedding and it

01:04:51.020 was not forthcoming because well among other reasons they don't know her or like her but

01:04:55.940 they're friends with the A-list couple.

01:04:57.880 That's right.

01:04:58.380 That's right.

01:04:58.760 So I don't think not knowing Taylor and Travis

01:05:02.660 would necessarily get you barred.

01:05:04.380 My report is a lot of people at that wedding

01:05:07.760 were asking the one question,

01:05:10.080 which is, do you know them?

01:05:11.640 Nobody knew them.

01:05:12.620 Nobody, I spoke to four people who went to the wedding

01:05:15.620 and they wanted to say thank you.

01:05:18.160 They couldn't get near her

01:05:19.200 because she had security around her.

01:05:21.060 And so they couldn't thank her for inviting them.

01:05:23.200 And then, you know,

01:05:23.740 if you can't speak to the bride

01:05:25.040 on the day of the wedding maybe that happens you text them the next day or you eat no one's got her

01:05:29.700 phone number no one's got her email they have this anonymous 1-800 invite so there's so many 0.56

01:05:35.680 people there that didn't know them i don't think that disqualified megan what disqualified her

01:05:39.980 is the day before the wedding guess who appeared on travis's podcast the prince of wales they have

01:05:46.300 made a friendship in fact now we're finding out just a few months ago taylor and travis were in

01:05:51.740 london and they did pop into the palace and met them it's come to the point with harry and megan

01:05:57.320 where you've got to pick sides and so it's unfortunate when that happens but some situations

01:06:02.300 get so toxic so ugly you can't be neutral anymore and who's going to pick them over the future king

01:06:09.180 and queen every mistake every mistake megan they've made like they just if there's a way to

01:06:15.160 mess something up harry and megan will do it they can't help themselves yeah they're their own worst

01:06:22.180 enemies because they really are true narcissists and so every decision is made from there and

01:06:27.520 like the others aren't and therefore they can make decisions that are selfless that are actually for

01:06:33.020 the benefit of others it's just over time you get to see this and you know it when you see it

01:06:37.600 so they're their own worst enemies i do want to get back to harry and megan and the wimbledon

01:06:42.240 pictures of kate and will with the children which are irresistible but before before we do

01:06:46.040 let's spend a minute on the taylor uh wedding because i didn't know that you had reporting on

01:06:51.260 that that's very interesting that at least four people who are invited don't don't they don't

01:06:56.120 know them they don't they're not sure why they were invited they don't know them they don't know

01:07:02.020 a thousand people who knows a thousand people if you're the most popular person no one nobody

01:07:07.960 intimately this wasn't a wedding this was a an announcement to the world that travis is open

01:07:14.880 for business if you want to make a film cast my husband it actually reminds me do you remember

01:07:19.560 at the lion king premiere in london where harry turned up with megan and tried to hustle disney

01:07:25.040 executives into giving her a job harry was on an oprah mic and beyonce looked horrified and she

01:07:31.620 was in in the lion king and harry's pitching his wife for jobs and i think that's what this wedding

01:07:37.320 felt like to me tommy hill figure was at this wedding i guarantee you know at the next fashion

01:07:43.600 week guess you'll be sitting front row at tommy it'll be travis kelsey so this was this was like

01:07:49.120 a branding opportunity it makes me laugh that everybody talks about the privacy and they wanted

01:07:55.460 this to be you don't get married at madison square garden with a thousand people watching

01:08:00.740 if you want privacy you just don't do it and so i i think the knock-on effects this is going to have

01:08:07.480 for taylor swift might be quite significant because the question that i'm hearing a lot now

01:08:13.260 is was this just an odd choice was this just a strange decision or did she trick us all along

01:08:20.060 was this who she always was and i think we know now looking back she's made a lot of money writing

01:08:25.460 songs about romance about loves about breakups she's never been private she's always well

01:08:30.720 us into her life. And it's a similar way, though, that Harry has with his lawsuit. He wants publicity

01:08:36.540 when he wants it. He wants publicity when he dictates the terms. He doesn't want it to be a

01:08:42.880 two-way street. And so I think it's almost impossible now for Taylor Swift to argue that

01:08:48.140 she's a private celebrity and we should give her her privacy. Oh, yeah. By the way, I mean, 1.00

01:08:52.440 some people who are at the wedding are openly calling it extremely gaudy, that it wasn't classy.

01:08:57.460 it was in your face and brash and to your point about did anybody actually know the couple like

01:09:04.420 you'd have to know somebody pretty intimately to get invited to their wedding typically i mean

01:09:08.800 because even there's lots of people in my life who i'm friends with but i wouldn't expect to be

01:09:12.820 invited to their wedding you know like that's a next level of friendship um they seem to have

01:09:18.600 invited every layer as long as you could do something for them but i have to tip my hat to

01:09:23.900 Charles Barkley. Charles Barkley got invited and spoke openly about it. Listen to the soundbite.

01:09:31.980 So you didn't get the invite to the royal wedding at Madison Square Garden there?

01:09:36.100 I did. Oh, you did get the invite. You didn't go?

01:09:38.200 I don't go to weddings. I don't go to weddings or funerals, but I did get an invite and I politely

01:09:47.140 declined uh because i thought it was going to be a crap show and like uh i love travis and jason

01:09:56.080 and i've only met taylor one time but yeah i did get an invite but i said hey you know what that's

01:10:00.600 just too much i just want to hang out and play golf and i don't want to dress up and all that

01:10:04.860 other stuff but i appreciate the invitation it was pretty special rob i don't think he knows

01:10:10.060 them at all he saw i love travis and he's the brother he's talking about like sports wise he's

01:10:15.180 not reflecting an intimate friendship there and he doesn't know taylor at all one time and he got

01:10:20.840 the invite they don't know her they don't know her you know you just said it you just made me

01:10:26.920 really think about it it's your wedding this is not the academy awards this is not a party this

01:10:32.120 is not the grammars it's your wedding and on that one day you couldn't have a moment for yourself

01:10:38.380 and your groom it had to be this production and it had to be this over top extravaganza for people

01:10:44.920 who you don't know it's really telling isn't it it's a side of taylor that i think is surprising

01:10:50.680 to a lot of people people that have covered her like me for a long time are a little less

01:10:55.000 surprised about it but even so this was so vulgar it was so over the top it was so tone yes that's

01:11:02.540 so tone deaf in the middle of a heat wave on the weekend of the 4th of july one of the busiest

01:11:09.800 travel days of the year here in america they did a wedding on top of a transit hub shut down streets

01:11:17.880 inviting people that they didn't know why i the whole thing was ludicrous i did chuckle though

01:11:25.260 because some of the celebrities i know who were invited they actually wanted to be seen entering

01:11:30.300 it was sort of like they got the golden tickets and they were very disappointed when they drove

01:11:35.320 up and their cars were put behind a curtain that's why you saw people that's why you saw

01:11:41.020 leanan dunham and barishka heart attack wind down their windows did you notice that we did not have

01:11:47.180 to see them yes and we also saw i think it was seth myers who walked in jason sudeikis wanting

01:11:55.420 to be seen you could get into this we never saw pictures of julia roberts or beyonce but there

01:12:01.120 was a few celebrities who were absolutely disappointed when they got there and realized

01:12:06.060 no I'm gonna see me I'm behind a tent these people are so pathetic now meanwhile the guy who writes

01:12:13.920 or wrote some of Taylor's songs Jack Antonoff he got married at the Jersey Shore it was two or three 0.79

01:12:22.780 years ago it was very I mean like I haven't even changed my hair in that time frame okay

01:12:30.880 And it was three years ago.

01:12:32.320 He married Andy McDowell's daughter.

01:12:34.800 Forgive me, I don't know her name.

01:12:36.000 I just know Andy McDowell, the actress.

01:12:38.200 And they're already divorcing from the look of it.

01:12:41.280 The reports are that she's removed all their wedding photos from her Instagram.

01:12:46.300 They were married recently enough that their wedding photos were still up on her Instagram.

01:12:50.420 She scrubbed them all.

01:12:51.960 She did not.

01:12:52.640 He was invited to the wedding.

01:12:53.580 She did not go with him.

01:12:55.240 Like these marriages, they don't last, Rob. 0.86

01:12:58.120 These Hollywood types, these big music mogul types, they are operating on entirely different values than the rest of us.

01:13:06.100 This wedding, I think, gave us all a reflection of that.

01:13:10.040 Anybody that looks at love and romance and intimacy and privacy knows that that wasn't what happened at Madison Square Garden.

01:13:19.280 I wish them the best. I do.

01:13:20.940 You know, most Hollywood marriages don't make it.

01:13:23.940 We know that they have a very strict and ironclad divorce, probably a very smart idea, but it doesn't look good, does it?

01:13:33.440 It looks as if they went into this with different expectations.

01:13:37.200 It definitely felt to me more like an announcement that we were now an A-list couple and we're open for business.

01:13:45.020 And if you want to invest in us, please come along.

01:13:47.540 I don't remember what the Sussex feel.

01:13:49.520 It felt like the Sussex feel.

01:13:50.780 It felt like Griff did.

01:13:51.820 Because aren't you reporting that like now Travis is getting invited to these like fashion shows and so, but they, they don't really want him. They, they're hoping he brings the missus.

01:14:05.020 And he knows it. He's not dumb. If you like, you know, I have a lot of friends in New York who are event planners and PR people. They always invite Matthew Broderick because they hope he brings Sarah Jessica Parker. 0.76

01:14:15.700 Like, nobody wants Matthew Broderick at their event, but they want him to bring Sarah Jessica.

01:14:20.740 She's Carrie Bradshaw.

01:14:22.380 And so the same here with Travis.

01:14:24.440 And Travis is not a dummy.

01:14:26.060 He wasn't getting invited to this stuff.

01:14:27.700 He has become the number one guest.

01:14:30.160 If you're planning an event, if you're planning a party in New York, if you're planning a fashion show,

01:14:36.040 he's going to be invited to every single event on the hope, the wish, the prayer that he brings the wife along.

01:14:42.980 It's going to be a really...

01:14:43.840 Right, because he's got some fashion icon.

01:14:48.480 Absolutely.

01:14:49.620 But these events, though, it just gives us another insight.

01:14:53.460 They're not fashion shows.

01:14:55.020 They're PR stunts.

01:14:56.520 They're to get in the press. 0.97

01:14:58.320 That's why the clothes are so ridiculous. 0.93

01:15:00.420 We wouldn't buy those clothes. 0.99

01:15:02.060 The more ridiculous, the more attention they're going to get. 0.95

01:15:04.660 And I've got to say it, nobody knows how to get more attention than Travis and Taylor. 0.97

01:15:11.200 They know how to do it.

01:15:12.140 Well, well, I'm going to challenge you.

01:15:15.220 This one person, she might.

01:15:17.600 She's just as thirsty. 0.90

01:15:19.260 She goes by the name of J-Lo, which is short for Jennifer Lopez.

01:15:23.980 And I was saying I wanted to round back to Wimbledon.

01:15:26.760 We love tennis in my family.

01:15:28.680 We watch a lot of tennis in my family, plays a lot of tennis.

01:15:30.660 I don't, but my family does.

01:15:32.200 And we were watching Wimbledon.

01:15:34.560 And who do we see paraded right down in the royal box but J-Lo?

01:15:41.180 who doesn't know anything about tennis. She's not into tennis. Trust me. I've been at a lot of these 0.99

01:15:46.620 big tennis events. She's never there. She just figured out that this would be yet another

01:15:51.880 vehicle for her to use for PR, but she shows up in this enormous hat, like this huge sun blocking 0.99

01:16:00.440 hat, which is a violation of all the protocols of Wimbledon and of tennis watching in general, 0.93

01:16:07.880 because at one wrong move and you're blocking half the people behind you from seeing the ball

01:16:13.420 as it travels across the court. But there she was. And I thought the tell was in the fact that

01:16:20.900 what two doors down from her in the same box was Ben Stiller. Now, what do we know about Ben

01:16:27.260 Stiller? We just saw him recently, second row at the NBA championships. And he gave an interview

01:16:35.460 to all those guys barkley etc after one of the big matches or games and they were like oh you

01:16:42.600 know so you how much did the did the tickets cost you to get those great seats you know you've been

01:16:47.160 a lifelong knicks fan and he's like oh and he was awkward but he admitted he goes i didn't pay for

01:16:52.360 these tickets celebrities don't pay they they got gifted to us because they want to see celebrities

01:16:59.180 in the b-roll you know like i think it was uh the madison square garden owner that what's his name

01:17:05.120 who, who, who gave it to Ben Stiller. And then suddenly Ben Stiller's front row in the Royal

01:17:10.660 Box at Wimbledon and two doors down from him is a girl who will show up to the opening of an

01:17:15.260 envelope, Jennifer Lopez. This is how it works. This is how, this is a dirty little secret 1.00

01:17:21.060 of Hollywood. I used to work for JLo. I was JLo's publicist about 20 years ago when she,

01:17:25.960 when she was with Ben part one, not the second time. In fact, I, I wrote the breakup statements,

01:17:32.400 my claim to fame i was on the phone with jennifer oh when they when they broke up i know it was and

01:17:37.420 she was very specific about the wording and i think we did ask for privacy which means always

01:17:41.740 the opposite i love celebrities that put out statements asking for privacy it's like when

01:17:47.200 you do an interview and during the interview like i want some privacy so jennifer knows how

01:17:52.440 this works so true jennifer enjoys being a celebrity like of all the people i've worked

01:17:58.560 with or i've met jaylo loves being jaylo and so any opportunity for a camera a thirsty moment

01:18:04.400 she's going to be there she i guarantee you she has no idea what she's watching she doesn't know

01:18:10.440 where the ball go she doesn't know she knows nothing about the rules of tennis and i'm actually

01:18:17.120 quite sure that she was probably miserable because if you don't understand the sport it can be a

01:18:22.900 little bit boring and nobody around her is gonna gonna tell her so poor jaylo the only silver

01:18:28.420 lining is it was a really long match and the thought of her having to sit there in that 0.98

01:18:32.900 ridiculous hat for two three hours gives me a little bit of joy but this is how celebrity works 1.00

01:18:39.320 and jayla knows that she knows exactly what she's doing yes well she was outclassed obviously by 0.99

01:18:46.500 princess kate who was there with prince william and two of the three royal children children they

01:18:53.580 had prince george who's the heir apparent they had um princess charlotte and they didn't have

01:19:00.320 prince louis who is always stealing the show that kid is so adorable and so cute um but they had the

01:19:05.980 first the older two and like this is another example to me rob of just hashtag winning because

01:19:13.120 all they have to do is show themselves and they win they win the pr battles that all all of them

01:19:18.740 including the little guy who wasn't here, are gorgeous.

01:19:22.540 They're so fun to watch on camera.

01:19:24.700 Prince George, I have a soft spot for because his birthday is literally 24 hours before my Thatcher,

01:19:30.300 who is the same age and has a bit of a resemblance to him, actually.

01:19:34.280 And Princess Charlotte is like the spitting image, I think, of, well, I guess she's a good mixture of her parents,

01:19:41.360 but I think she looks like Princess Kate.

01:19:42.800 Yeah, I do.

01:19:44.140 And behind the scenes, they were glad-handing, as you can see here.

01:19:47.640 of course the winner yannick sinner came through they easily made small talk with him they were

01:19:52.400 by far the bigger stars even at wimbledon and they just like to your point of like they generate

01:19:59.440 publicity just by showing up at these events and being their normal charming selves no one was

01:20:04.380 thinking a thing about megan markle or prince harry or their grievances around where they're

01:20:10.400 staying or their you know let's face it also d-list children i'm sorry i said it

01:20:15.880 you're going to get in trouble.

01:20:22.520 Welcome. It's a day ending in Y.

01:20:26.200 I think what makes them so good at this is that they're so not trying to force any other agenda.

01:20:35.700 They're not selling us a pot of jam. They're not selling us their grievances.

01:20:40.060 They're not trying to score points against their dad.

01:20:42.700 They're not trying to shame the British public into being potential racists.

01:20:47.120 They're just there to do their job.

01:20:50.000 Kate struggled with this job.

01:20:52.160 Anybody that knows her, anybody that's reported on her, she really had to learn her craft.

01:20:57.340 And to her credit, she did.

01:20:59.760 She has spent hours and hours really learning how to do this.

01:21:05.360 She is not a natural at it, but she did the work.

01:21:09.080 Wow, you'd never know that.

01:21:09.960 I know.

01:21:10.440 It's just flawless now.

01:21:11.940 but we all do the work you know to be mildly entertaining talking about the royals for an

01:21:18.140 hour with you has taken me 30 years of work and and that's what I really appreciate because I think

01:21:24.260 Megan and Harry just want the good stuff they just want the glamorous stuff they just want to turn up

01:21:29.620 for the premieres they don't want to do the work behind the scenes and I think that Kate's different

01:21:36.900 She does do the work and she also is extraordinarily good at knowing when she's overexposed. When it's enough, she can pull back. Harry and Meghan don't know when there's enough. In fact, I don't think there's ever enough of it. 0.74

01:21:52.420 And so hats off to them. They're the secret weapon of the royal family. These two are the reason that I'm really optimistic about the future of the monarchy. And I can't wait to see what they do with it and what changes they make and the dignity that they do it with.

01:22:08.920 It's lovely to see people like this in a world that celebrates Kardashians.

01:22:15.120 It's lovely to see people like this in a world that celebrates real housewives.

01:22:20.240 It's just so refreshing.

01:22:22.580 And, you know, there's something lovely about being full of grace and charm and not anger.

01:22:29.340 And so they can't beat this.

01:22:31.960 And I think the best thing for the royals to do, for Kate to do, is just keep showing up and ignoring them.

01:22:38.000 let them go back to Montecito. Yeah, just being herself. I'll say this, what you were saying 0.97

01:22:42.920 about how they put in the work, unlike the losers out in Montecito, that there was a quote that was

01:22:49.120 on the internet the other day. I forwarded it to my family because I loved it. It was by Kobe Bryant.

01:22:53.020 He was always saying things like this. This is right on brand for him. But here's the quote,

01:22:57.900 quote, everyone wants to be a beast. Everyone wants to be the best, but very few people are

01:23:04.400 willing to do what it actually takes because what it takes is boring. It is waking up at 4am. It is

01:23:11.280 shooting the same shot a thousand times. It is watching the film when you are tired. People fall

01:23:16.400 in love with the result, but they hate the process. You have to fall in love with the boredom. You have

01:23:21.900 to fall in love with the repetition. If you can find joy in the mundane work that no one else sees,

01:23:28.140 the lights will eventually shine on you. That's it. Megan. That's it. That's the difference.

01:23:33.820 That's the difference. And that's the difference in all of our lives. You don't have to be a princess. You don't have to be a royal. You don't have to be a star athlete to know that. My friends that are the most successful are the ones that do the work in whatever field that is. Do the work. And that's why shows like American Idol are so annoying. Nobody's an overnight success. Nobody. And if you are an overnight success, it's going to be gone overnight, too.

01:23:57.780 if you want to get there and you want to stay there do the work william and kate do the work

01:24:03.480 and i think they're going to raise their children in a way too where they appreciate

01:24:07.440 hard work and they appreciate duty and they appreciate service and they appreciate

01:24:12.120 showing up i mean look at her the fashion alone and turning up and having the whole crowd stand

01:24:18.400 for her because they love her they the brits absolutely love her and her children are charming

01:24:24.800 and there's never any trouble with them.

01:24:27.480 The Middletons are never getting in trouble.

01:24:29.800 There's not scandal there.

01:24:31.000 There's been a few hiccups along the way,

01:24:32.500 but I think they've adjusted to that too.

01:24:34.700 You know, nobody teaches you how to be famous,

01:24:36.520 but certainly nobody teaches your family.

01:24:39.040 And so it's just a, it's something to be really proud of.

01:24:42.380 I'm so proud of them as a Brit.

01:24:45.020 Yeah.

01:24:45.940 I guess you're just not, you're,

01:24:48.060 the one downside of being a Royal is,

01:24:50.240 I guess you're not allowed to like have any Botox

01:24:52.240 or, you know, laser.

01:24:54.320 I don't know. It doesn't seem like they get any procedures because they're supposed to age

01:25:00.220 normally, naturally, because that's the ultimate middle finger and showing of your power and

01:25:04.720 wealth. I see it in social circles, like the ones who have true FU money, like blue blood money. 0.52

01:25:11.560 They don't do a thing to themselves. They're like, I don't have to, suckers. 1.00

01:25:17.780 With all that money, we don't notice it. I just look at the money. 0.98

01:25:20.500 I know. Anyway, OK, that all this has brought me to Blake Lively, who is way more in the in the Meghan and Harry camp than she ever could be in the William and Kate camp.

01:25:35.060 And she is out there now having clearly lost this ridiculous attempt at PR rehab, which was her lawsuit, trying to turn her loss into a win by trying to get Justin Baldoni to pay her.

01:25:49.580 We finally have the number eight million dollars in legal fees that she claimed she had to expend just to have his one counter claim for defamation thrown out.

01:26:01.840 She filed 13 claims. Ten of her claims were thrown out.

01:26:05.700 He didn't have to pay legal fees.

01:26:08.220 She didn't have to pay his legal fees for any one of them.

01:26:11.700 He filed one and she got it thrown out.

01:26:13.880 He's got to pay all of her legal fees for this one because of this wacky California law having to do with sexual harassment victims, of which she's not one.

01:26:22.420 That claim was thrown out, too.

01:26:23.980 But anyway, she claims getting rid of that one claim cost her eight million dollars.

01:26:30.200 And now we finally have his responsive pleading saying that's ridiculous.

01:26:36.820 He's not going to pay her eight million dollars.

01:26:39.080 and they're pointing uh he and his team to the new york times which also was sued by baldoni

01:26:45.720 for defamation because they filed this lawsuit that was basically stenciled by blake lively

01:26:50.440 and they got sued for defamation and they got it thrown out and their legal fees were i think

01:26:56.120 memory serves don't have a paper in front of me two hundred thousand dollars rob yeah cost them

01:27:00.420 two hundred thousand dollars to have it thrown out she wants eight million so once again to the end

01:27:06.300 she looks like a money grubbing you know what yes yeah it's shocking to me that you can go

01:27:14.880 through something like this this really long drawn out process and not learn anything about

01:27:20.160 yourself blake has exposed everything that i think people whispered about for a long time

01:27:26.420 people knew in the business that that she was really really awful they knew that when whenever

01:27:32.340 in my office there's an opportunity to interview a celebrity I try to share the wealth I try to 0.97

01:27:37.580 give it to different person every time when I when I walk into the office into the newsroom

01:27:42.580 and say we've got an interview with this celebrity who wants to interview them everybody puts their

01:27:46.720 hand up the one exception is Blake Lively nobody on my team ever wanted to talk to her then nobody

01:27:52.380 wanted to go to the premieres or interview her on the red carpets because she was awful to them she

01:27:56.600 was just outright rude to them and so I think all that has now been made very very clear and you

01:28:02.060 would think that that Blake would pause and and think about that and this lawsuit now this is

01:28:07.260 about hurting him she's really angry that he won basically he won and she's really really angry

01:28:14.240 and so what is she going to do she's going to kick him one last time somewhere where it really hurts

01:28:19.080 in his pocketbook he does not have the money she and Ryan has and so she she just wants to punish

01:28:25.260 him but in the process I think she's going to end up punishing herself again which has been the

01:28:30.620 ongoing theme of the last couple of months every time she last couple of years every time she tries

01:28:37.100 to hurt him she ends up really really hurting herself they have padded these expenses like 0.99

01:28:44.140 it's ridiculous every time she called her lawyer he has to pay for that a narcissistic celebrity 0.80

01:28:49.760 calling a lawyer for three hours he's got to pay for that a question she has that could have been

01:28:55.460 answered in an email or a text she had to get on the phone and have therapy and talk and so it's

01:29:02.260 really inflated it's really wrong i hope it it doesn't stand there's a really wacky wacky law

01:29:08.360 in california which needs to be addressed here that the one the one thing that i i think is in

01:29:14.860 his favor though is whatever he has to pay her she's going to have to pay a lot more in the court

01:29:20.100 of public opinion she's done she is absolutely true done and to the very is she considered box

01:29:27.480 office poison poison absolute casting directors don't want to meet with her would you want a

01:29:32.860 director in a movie if she doesn't like what you're telling her to do she might say you 0.99

01:29:36.980 sexually harassed her like like she has said awful things about someone she worked with none of which

01:29:45.140 were true and so who's gonna ever trust her again would you want her in your movie what about a

01:29:51.380 kissing scene an intimate scene in the movie no no no i wouldn't trust her no and so she has set 0.98

01:29:58.380 herself up now for failure and let's be clear about this her career wasn't that hot she's not

01:30:03.780 made 20 blockbuster movies she's not scarlett johansson she's made some really sort of weak

01:30:08.540 films this film is arguably her most successful film she's she's ever made and she blew it

01:30:14.940 she could have made a sequel the last two years instead of talking about this she could have been 0.82

01:30:20.280 talking about her hair care her products she could have been selling us moisturizer she could have

01:30:24.880 been selling us a new movie she chose to to do this it was her decision the results have now

01:30:30.620 have now come out and it's shocking to me after all that megan she still has to have that final 0.99

01:30:36.320 jab that final petty pettiness that we all see through and it might cost him she should have

01:30:43.940 just walked away it's like did it was this not painful enough like did you did you not see

01:30:49.660 yourself dragged enough as the bad facts came out about you like finally it's mercifully over right

01:30:56.340 right walk away know when to walk away it's like a bad gambler right harry she didn't know when to

01:31:03.760 walk away harry's lawsuit reminds me of this so much it was all based on narcissism it's all based

01:31:10.700 on you said something you wrote something that i didn't like and now i'm going to go after

01:31:14.920 journalists most journalists do not have the resources that that we might have and so so it

01:31:20.200 was just it's messy ultimately though the the good news here is that we all now know the truth

01:31:26.460 blake's poison well and and listen to what brian friedman uh the lawyer for justin baldoni happens

01:31:33.300 to be my own as well uh wrote in the motion responding in their in their responsive pleading

01:31:39.440 Quote, Lively's fee request is so over inclusive that it sweeps in fees for researching her own liability for perjury arising from her California human rights campaign claim and her Rule 11 motion, which is a motion for sanctions, which the court has already denied fees for.

01:32:00.900 So she's lumped everything but the kitchen sink in here in an effort to recover this seven point five million dollars in attorney's fees and five hundred thousand dollars in expenses and costs for a total fee of eight million dollars.

01:32:16.380 Brian argues in his pleading that the case was overstaffed.

01:32:20.140 They billed multiple lawyers for the same hearings,

01:32:23.360 numerous charges for lawyers conferencing and strategizing with one another,

01:32:27.280 that it was overstaffed and billed more than 7,000 errors by 82 individuals,

01:32:33.480 which is roughly 20 times what is typical in a comparable litigation.

01:32:38.120 And he points out that the New York Times requested $181,000,

01:32:43.900 not even $200,000 in attorney's fees after defeating the same claims.

01:32:49.720 It's really, it's unbelievable.

01:32:51.920 Meantime, she's reportedly irate because Justin Baldoni is speaking, Rob.

01:32:57.940 He and his wife, Emily, breaking their silence.

01:33:02.040 They've said nothing for this whole time.

01:33:04.620 To their credit, Blake Lively was at the time 100, but me too, I'm a me too victim.

01:33:08.920 So is my mom.

01:33:09.600 Listen to my mom.

01:33:10.780 Me too glory by, you know, relation.

01:33:13.900 And here are Justin and his wife, Emily, talking about this experience, SOT15.

01:33:20.920 We are sitting here today feeling immense gratitude for so many things and so many people

01:33:29.280 and so many things that have happened to us.

01:33:31.680 Gratitude has saved us.

01:33:33.320 It has.

01:33:36.060 And I also feel that it's important as we say that, in that gratitude, it doesn't negate

01:33:43.080 the injustice

01:33:45.040 and the pain that we have also felt

01:33:47.560 in the last few years

01:33:48.480 and we've had

01:33:51.660 to wrestle with so many things

01:33:53.660 and try to understand

01:33:54.840 so many things, like how could something like this

01:33:57.440 even happen

01:33:58.060 let alone disguised

01:34:01.680 as a fight for women 1.00

01:34:02.860 so much to unpack

01:34:05.920 and the truth

01:34:07.800 is, reality is

01:34:09.560 that there's been a lot of trauma for us

01:34:11.500 to move through as a family.

01:34:13.340 We don't even know this is the right thing to say,

01:34:15.720 but we just know we need to share something.

01:34:20.360 What I will say is that there have been so many

01:34:23.280 painful things that have been spoken into existence

01:34:33.340 over the last couple years,

01:34:37.580 and that created so much noise,

01:34:39.420 and we didn't want to add to the noise.

01:34:41.500 So we just wanted to let the justice system run its course.

01:34:49.720 And the truth and the facts have spoken for themselves.

01:34:55.560 And here we are.

01:34:57.840 We are healing.

01:35:00.240 And if you've ever been through something traumatic, you know that healing isn't linear.

01:35:03.940 It looks different every day.

01:35:06.520 and we have had to rethink for ourselves what is real

01:35:14.380 and what matters and it's this it's this the kids it's our family yeah it's our friends it's

01:35:22.900 our community who have been there for us it's our faith i think we're closer and more devoted

01:35:30.140 and steadfast in our faith than we've ever been.

01:35:34.360 Wow.

01:35:35.620 So I know, and I know you've got reporting

01:35:38.260 on her reaction to that, Blake and Ryan's.

01:35:41.600 First of all, let me just say, that's the way to do it.

01:35:43.840 You put out a video, you sit there, you tell the truth.

01:35:47.060 You're not over lit, you're not overly made up.

01:35:49.820 Two people, they're in their kitchen or at their home

01:35:52.280 and they're talking directly to the camera

01:35:54.340 and they're saying really beautiful things.

01:35:57.660 if I was Blake Lively I'd be really worried because that's just the beginning this is David

01:36:03.300 and Goliath when this case began years ago I was I thought Blake was gonna absolutely win this

01:36:11.220 because she's Blake Lively and she's got all the resources in the world and she can sit down and

01:36:15.240 do interviews and her husband's a very famous gentleman too and has a lot of money Justin

01:36:20.240 Baldoni and his wife have acted I think with such grace that video is just the beginning I hope they

01:36:25.400 they keep doing it i think it was really smart but they didn't sit down and do an interview i

01:36:30.280 don't think they want questions at the moment they just want to say it the way they they want

01:36:35.440 to say it got picked up by every every media outlet in the world so that's the way that that

01:36:40.820 you do one of these um reactions one of these videos blake saw that so my sources tell me

01:36:46.600 she absolutely saw it she saw it many many times her team will probably tell you she's too busy

01:36:51.720 she's too glamorous she's too busy being a mom to pay any attention to this don't believe it

01:36:57.100 she's absolutely lived and breathed this for the last two years in fact that eight million dollars

01:37:02.300 is basically him having to pay her for breathing every day like it literally every day of her life

01:37:07.360 has been about that this trial and i think that's what she's trying to trying to bill him for which

01:37:12.380 is so ludicrous but she's watched it she's watched it several times she's angry at the minute my

01:37:16.980 sources tell me the one that's really angry is her husband, Ryan, who thinks of himself as a PR 0.62

01:37:22.880 marketing genius. And the fact he was arguably beaten to the punch here, they say in PR,

01:37:29.340 whoever tells their side first is often the one that wins. And so now they're going to be playing

01:37:33.860 catch up. I'm pretty sure at some point they will respond. They haven't responded yet. But you know,

01:37:40.020 Ryan's writing a script as we speak and it will be in the teleprompter and it will be the opposite

01:37:44.120 video to what we just saw that's such a good point you can't now they can't do their own

01:37:49.980 direct to camera low makeup video now they just look like glommers so yes and now they've just

01:37:57.780 decided to say oh we're silent that's our powers and our silence you know sure like okay sure sure

01:38:03.180 um i agree with you they handled it beautifully they came across as very classy and i think it's

01:38:09.940 very interesting and effective to have emily quietly and expertly slide in the dagger with

01:38:17.680 this sort of a side of disguised as a fight for women that's the line well done that's the line 0.98

01:38:24.080 well done you know okay now wait before we go i've got to ask you about snow white it's not

01:38:31.880 going well snow white is not doing well not snow white super girl it's which is the new snow white

01:38:38.260 that's why i said it supergirl is the worst earning uh dc movie since 2004's cat woman

01:38:46.420 um dc comics right is that what that stands for dc yeah okay right now supergirl is the worst

01:38:52.840 earning dc movie in 22 years this is via forbes since the infamous holly berry starring cat woman

01:38:59.000 of 2004 widely regarded as one of the worst superhero movies ever made um it is it reportedly

01:39:06.900 cost 108 million, made 108 million globally and still needs another 22 million to get close to

01:39:16.080 the most terrible releases of the past few years, right? It still needs another 22 million. I don't

01:39:22.920 know. I don't know what that means. But in any event, it's not doing well. And they say that

01:39:26.500 they spent almost, well, it was 300 million basically to make this, if not more, because

01:39:34.320 there was over $100 million to actually make it. And then there was all the money that it took

01:39:39.080 to market it. $170 million to produce, $120 million to market. So yeah, making $100 is not

01:39:47.640 so great, Rob. Yeah, that's what Hollywood's all about. We often think it's about awards or

01:39:52.020 quality. It's about money. And if this movie was an awful movie, but it made a billion dollars,

01:39:57.240 everybody would be jumping for joy and then make another one. Sex and the City wasn't very good,

01:40:01.500 but it kept making money until it didn't.

01:40:03.480 And that's why we have three awful movies.

01:40:06.320 So it's not about the quality here.

01:40:08.660 It's not about that this is not a very good movie.

01:40:11.220 It's not.

01:40:12.220 But if it had been a bad movie that made money,

01:40:14.960 executives would be jumping up and down 0.80

01:40:16.700 and she would be toasted as the new Angelina Jolie. 0.99

01:40:19.700 It's about money. 0.98

01:40:20.600 And that's a lot about show business.

01:40:23.100 It's a lot about entertainment.

01:40:24.820 It's that you could be a pretty bad singer,

01:40:27.040 but if you make money, you'll keep singing songs.

01:40:29.800 And so this one was a double-edged sword here.

01:40:33.840 It lost a lot of money.

01:40:35.240 Why is it?

01:40:35.560 Like, why?

01:40:36.300 Why did it fail so miserably?

01:40:38.040 I think that, A, it's just the wrong movie for the wrong time.

01:40:42.300 I think this is a movie that is trying to push an agenda,

01:40:47.020 arguably a political agenda, that is no longer accepted.

01:40:51.120 And this is the problem that a lot of Hollywood movies and music have.

01:40:55.960 It takes a long time to make a movie.

01:40:57.900 It takes a long time for it to come out.

01:40:59.800 So if you start something when we are at the peak of a political moment, by the time it comes out, that moment might have passed.

01:41:07.060 And so I think this had just missed the moment and it just wasn't very good.

01:41:12.800 It was dull. It was boring. I was so aware that it was a super girl and that seemed to be more important than any plot.

01:41:20.040 But it was a girl telling it. And so I think that ultimately, too, I looked at I looked at the research here.

01:41:25.880 i looked at the box office women didn't show up that's why this movie didn't do very well 0.95

01:41:31.460 women didn't show up yeah we we don't want to be lectured to like this we certainly don't want a

01:41:36.980 character running around reminding us there's no male figure there's no romance in it and that's

01:41:41.800 empowering i think my character swings both ways okay all right goodbye goodbye we know what we're

01:41:48.020 being spoon-fed it's same way like the left assumes that latinos are all against a strong border

01:41:52.640 No, they're not. It's the opposite. Right. And they think women are going to want to they're going to feel empowered by watching this two pound, odd looking young person who's lecturing us about, you know, her character is what nine non-binary, whatever she says it is, as our new female role model.

01:42:08.520 It's a no. It's a no. It's a no. We got to go. It's been a pleasure. 0.84

01:42:12.040 Thanks so much for being here. Good to see you. Take care.

01:42:16.080 Rob Shooter, everybody check out Naughty, but nice.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - July 14, 2026

Horrifying Case of Left-Wing Terrorism, and Prince Harry's FAILED UK Trip, with Alex Phillips and Rob Shuter ｜ Ep. 1359

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