A mass shooting at a Catholic school and church in Minneapolis has left at least 20 dead and many more injured. A gunman opened fire at an 8:15 a.m. mass in the Annunciation Catholic School and St. Andrew s Basilica in the city.
00:12:12.100Liz, you're a reporter in Minneapolis, in Minnesota.
00:12:16.740This, I mean, it's unbelievably tragic.
00:12:19.280And parents can't get their arms around it, whether their child was involved or not.
00:12:23.640But the reporting we're hearing is that this is the second day in a row where a Christian school was targeted, that there was another Christian school targeted yesterday, four miles away from this, or a Jesuit high school.
00:12:40.140Yeah, actually, Megan, this is now the fourth shooting that has taken place in Minneapolis in less than a 24-hour period.
00:12:50.100We've had three fatal shootings in a 12-hour period before this horrific act of violence at this Catholic school in Minneapolis.
00:12:59.300But you're right, there was a mass shooting just yesterday outside of Cristo Rey High School, which is another Catholic school.
00:13:06.520At this point in the press conference that just wrapped up here on scene, they did say they did not see any sort of connection between these other shootings.
00:13:15.260But one Minneapolis police officer told me this morning, in his opinion, this has been the darkest 24 hours in Minneapolis history.
00:13:24.200Keep in mind, this is a police force down nearly 40% after what happened after the George Floyd incident in 2020.
00:13:33.000These cops are already really stretched to the limits.
00:13:36.860And to see these horrific scenes unfolding in southwest Minneapolis this morning, absolutely heartbreaking.
00:13:44.900And I'll be honest, this is actually where my son attended preschool when I lived in Minneapolis for more than 10 years.
00:13:51.760So really kind of personal for many of us here as well.
00:13:56.940And still so many answers, but it's hard to even imagine school starts on a Monday.
00:14:02.680Tuesday morning, there's a mass where all the kids go, all the little kids, the big kids, they're all there for mass each and every morning.
00:14:11.380It's a terrific school, and I can't say enough about the good people there.
00:14:15.660And gunfire erupts through the windows at these children.
00:14:20.440Again, as you said, we have two children dead.
00:14:24.140I've been in touch with sources at both the Hennepin County Medical Center and Children's Hospital in Minneapolis.
00:14:30.420They are treating multiple victims on scene.
00:14:33.640It did come in originally as up to 20 victims, and that seems to be the case.
00:14:39.020It sounds like multiple victims are in critical condition at this point, and they are in the most serious areas of the hospital being treated.
00:14:49.180And again, the gunman seems to have killed himself right in the parking lot there, according to what we just heard in the press conference.
00:14:56.580Do we know, Liz, whether this is a level one trauma center where the kids have been brought to?
00:15:03.800Yeah, there's both two facilities that both are able to handle these types of calls.
00:15:11.840But in my correspondence with my sources at Hennepin County Medical Center, they've said they were kind of overwhelmed previously with the gunfire that has erupted in the city.
00:15:23.980So they were doing their best to scramble and get in, it sounds like, to treat these children.
00:15:30.960Just absolutely horrific to think about.
00:15:34.520I'll be back to you in one sec, because I have questions about the church, too, especially since you've got a personal connection to it.
00:15:40.120Brandon, the reports are that they're going through the shooter's vehicle, which is in the church parking lot.
00:15:45.540But I guess the police are saying they don't see a connection to the shooting that happened yesterday behind this Jesuit high school.
00:15:52.660Although I will say in that case, they say a man was killed, five men and one woman were also injured, and the suspect got away.
00:16:00.500But the police apparently not thinking that it's the same person who committed this atrocity.
00:16:04.780You know, there are going to be a lot of parents who are wondering what they can do, what they can do.
00:16:11.140I mean, I don't even if the school were fortified with a security officer, I'm not sure they'd be outside of the church when the kids went to mass.
00:16:18.080There's a certain belief, I think, that we have that there are certain institutions that just aren't going to be targeted.
00:16:27.960Well, I think it's a thanks for having me on, Megan.
00:16:32.800I think that this is a combination of issues that we need to address in society.
00:16:37.740One is that we do need to fortify these schools.
00:16:40.200We cannot take it for granted that there's nut jobs out here that's looking to kill innocent people.
00:16:44.820You know, it hit home to me. My son just went to school today.
00:16:47.400He goes to a Catholic school and they do mass.
00:16:49.300And it makes me think about it all the time.
00:16:51.460If what if an assailant decide to come to the school, what security measures do they have in place?
00:16:55.380This is not a matter of in many cases, not a matter of if it's when somebody is going to attempt to assault a Christian institution.
00:17:03.840And one of the things that I think is problematic is we don't give it enough credit to our efforts to fight against anti-Christian rhetoric.
00:17:12.480You know, we have anti-Jewish rhetoric.
00:17:39.900We need police officers at the school.
00:17:41.120I don't care how much of a boogeyman it looks like to certain people.
00:17:44.620We need people there to be able to rapidly respond.
00:17:47.480And I'm not saying there's nobody at this school, but I think the schools need to fortify the school a little bit more.
00:17:53.240And therefore, they can be there to respond rapidly and make sure that there's not as many casualties as could be if they don't have anyone who could defend the students and the teachers there.
00:18:22.700You know, Minneapolis, Minnesota, it's got very tight gun laws.
00:18:25.840There clearly wasn't a good guy with a gun there because it wasn't just this guy, Bill.
00:18:30.040Somebody else described what sounded like a pause and a reloading by this guy.
00:18:34.880There clearly was not a resource officer or a security officer who was armed.
00:18:39.820I mean, I'm assuming because I assume that person would have taken this guy out a lot sooner.
00:18:44.120Yeah, I'll go back to what Brandon was saying just a few minutes ago.
00:18:48.900Whether you go back to the Parkland tragedy, which was back in 2018, or the Uvalde, Texas tragedy, where a number of students were shot to death in a school out in Texas.
00:18:59.560Law enforcement has to go to the sound of the guns.
00:19:03.480The days of being methodical and slowly but surely with shields and advancing slowly toward the threat are over.
00:19:12.520When these things happen, and look, Megan, this is way early in the process.
00:19:16.640Could, and I'm going to throw this out as a supposition, but that's what we do here in the criminology department.
00:19:22.800Could this be a case of workplace violence?
00:19:30.860But probably, as we look at this, was this something more onerous where somebody targeted this place because of either the religion or the ideology there, the fact that it was a school?
00:19:41.440Or was it some unhinged person that decided they wanted to ratchet up a body count?
00:19:46.180All those things don't matter until the shooter is down.
00:19:48.940We know the shooter is down now, and now we've got to do a couple of things.
00:19:52.620One, make certain that there was no conspiracy afoot there.
00:19:56.600Is this part of a broader conspiracy where there might be other targets?
00:20:01.280If we determine that's not the case, okay, now we step back, take a deep breath, and now we figure out how do we prevent the next one?
00:20:09.380You just mentioned it, a school resource officer, a single-point entry into these places, and Megan, I'll put my political hat on for a second.
00:20:17.700So I just stepped down after two terms as a mayor in an upstate village in New York State, and one of the things that we were concerned about a couple years ago, there were credible threats against Catholic churches in communities across New York State.
00:20:31.400I was pleasantly surprised to go to speak to my own pastor at our own Catholic church here to find out that they already have plans in place.
00:20:40.000Most places, whether they're synagogues, whether they're Catholic churches, whether they're mosques, they understand that unhinged people, and yes, terrorists, because what is terrorism?
00:20:51.800It's violence or the threat of shame in the pursuit of certain political, ideological, or religious goals.
00:20:59.400And in this instance, way too early to make that determination, but the fact that there should have been a school resource officer there, there should have been somebody armed and carrying concealed in these places, because unfortunately, as Brandon pointed out a minute ago, there are targets and threats, and this is unfortunately the new normal.
00:21:17.220Liz, do you have any idea, as somebody who had a child there, I'm like, I'm very well aware of what the security plans are at my children's schools, because obviously, I'm in news, and as you well know, we have to think about these things more than the average citizen ever wants to.
00:21:33.220Do we know anything about whether this is a school that had a good guy with a gun on standby, just in case?
00:21:38.320Yeah, I mean, in my time there, which is about eight, nine years ago, when I moved out of the city of Minneapolis, I can say no, that there was not an armed security guard there at the school.
00:21:53.100I'll also say that this mass, it takes place every morning, and the school itself, which is a K-8 building, but they do offer some preschool programs there as well, is an older building.
00:22:06.100I would kind of describe it as a bit of a maze, the way that many of them are makeshift classrooms, so that was my immediate thought, that perhaps this gunman somehow got inside and was going room to room, but then to hear these details to just open fire through the stained glass windows during mass, which is where the kids basically start their day each and every morning, obviously added another horrific element to all this.
00:22:31.320I was just getting some latest information here from the hospital on the numbers, and they are saying, this is from Hennepin County Medical Center, that children ages 6 through 14 are being treated there.
00:22:45.940Six of them are in critical condition, so six of them are in critical at this point, and again, kids ages 6 through 14.
00:22:54.320They say that they got 11 patients total from the shooting, nine they consider pediatric patients, and two adults, so that is the latest from Hennepin County.
00:23:07.960So the reports, again, that as many as 20 shot in this incident, those were the initial reports just a couple of hours ago now, seem to be the case with what the hospitals are reporting now at this hour.
00:23:21.940I mean, the thing that's so frustrating in watching all this, Brandon, is I'll tell you right now, nothing's going to change.
00:23:28.860Absolutely nothing is going to change.
00:23:30.400We had 20 dead first graders at Sandy Hook.
00:23:35.660If you don't change after 20 dead first graders, you don't change.
00:23:40.100And I understand it because we're a free country, and we can't protect against any and all threats out there,
00:23:45.800but we can fortify the areas where our most vulnerable are, you know, and that means the schools, whether it's the school itself or the adjacent church where they worship because it's a Catholic school.
00:23:58.440That we actually can do, but you know as well as I do, what we're about to do is spiral into a debate about guns.
00:24:07.660That's where the media and the left will take this.
00:24:10.080That's what they do every time, and my own belief is that's exactly why nothing will change.
00:24:15.500That actually might stop the next one.
00:24:19.120Well, yeah, because the thing is if you're focusing on the wrong issue, you can never fix anything.
00:24:24.180You know, in this situation, the gun is not the problem.
00:24:26.740The person with the gun is the problem.
00:24:28.060Clearly there's many people with guns that are not shooting up a school, and then you go down the list of how could this have happened,
00:24:34.540and there's, like you said, Megan, there are signs.
00:24:36.620The parents, where are the parents at?
00:24:39.460Where are the people that are saying this person is crazy, this person is threatening to shoot up places, this person is, you know, a loner, and there are signs to this stuff.
00:24:47.940And we have laws, and we have investigatory bodies that look into these things.
00:24:53.040The FBI looks into them, local law enforcement, counterterrorism.
00:24:56.600We have elements in place that already exist that we can actually utilize that can prevent these things.
00:25:03.900It's very clear, Megan, you know, people want to use this as a political pawn because they hate guns.
00:25:10.060They want to make Donald Trump look bad.
00:25:12.040They want to make Republicans look bad, either side of the spectrum, and they would rather talk about the guns.
00:25:34.620People will be able to get illegal things if they have their minds set on it.
00:25:39.380And they're going to shoot up more and more schools and hurt more and more people because nobody's going to be armed, especially the good guys.
00:25:46.020It is asinine to me that at this point we are not focusing on bolstering our law enforcement agencies, making them have higher staff numbers so they can protect schools like this.
00:25:58.320There's nothing outside of the realm of saying we need to hire more law enforcement.
00:26:02.580We need to have every school, especially public schools, because that is where the money comes from.
00:26:08.000But every public school should have multiple resource officers there to protect, there to prevent crimes outside of mass shootings.
00:26:18.280If we go back, and it's early in this investigation, so we don't know all the details, but if we go back to this school, I guarantee you that there was no real recourse.
00:26:27.920That's why this person chose this particular school during mass.
00:26:31.340They probably scouted the school, may have gone to the school, and they know that when I go here, I'm going to be unabetted.
00:26:38.900I'm not going to have any resistance from any teacher, from any law enforcement, no security.
00:26:44.400And that's why they went to that school and not the school down the street or the school around the corner.
00:26:49.220And when are we going to wake up to this reality?
00:26:51.580If I had control of the schools, I would say we need to have armed security staff with AR-15s at the school.
00:26:59.500You can have them staged in a strategic area where they're not visible to the kids, but when somebody comes on campus, they can react very swiftly.
00:27:10.600There need to be more cops or law enforcement or security officers at these schools, armed, armed officers.
00:27:18.620I guarantee you we're going to spiral into the guns, guns, guns.
00:27:22.360And I'm totally open-minded to if this guy had some sort of mental health history and got a gun anyway, we should definitely be looking into how that happened and try to stop that from continuing to happen in other cases.
00:28:19.720What we need is more good guys with guns on soft targets.
00:28:23.660And yes, we need to take a serious look at our mental health system and why we don't mandatorily institutionalize people around whom there have been repeated red flags,
00:28:34.080who the rest of us can see in many cases very clearly we're on a steady path to deteriorating, right?
00:28:41.740And I don't know what this guy's history is going to be, but I guarantee you it is what I said.
00:28:45.940At the top, there's going to be some issue around this guy.
00:28:49.200It could be one of a number of things, but people are going to have a talk or in a discussion about whether he was spiraling, could have been medication involved, could have been a mental health system.
00:28:57.260And that's already seeing this guy, but there will have been signs and we will have done very little about it.
00:29:02.040Liz, you're the minute Minneapolis, Minnesota has very strong gun laws.
00:29:08.080I'm just, I just asked the team to pull the summary for me before we went on the air.
00:29:13.360Minnesota requires background checks for handgun purchases at the point of sale and or for permit to purchase allows law enforcement and often family members to petition for a court order to temporarily prevent someone in crisis from accessing guns.
00:29:26.260Bars, bars, guns, bars, bars, gun possession by people who have been involuntarily committed or found to be a danger to themselves or others requires that firearms be stored, locked, unloaded and separate from ammo.
00:29:36.860In certain circumstances, assault weapons prohibited bars, concealed carry by people with assault or other violent misdemeanor convictions.
00:29:43.100How many times have we seen this in states with the toughest gun laws in the nation, including New York state, just a month ago, where that guy walked into that building and shot up, you know, the lobby and then went up to the whatever floor it was, 20 something.
00:29:58.740Talk to me a little bit about the Minnesota attitude toward guns and fortification of soft targets.
00:30:05.460You know, I think it's such an important point to bring up in all of this.
00:30:08.700It wasn't that long ago that school resource officers were not even allowed in Minnesota schools.
00:30:14.140This was post George Floyd when several departments decided to pull their officers out of the schools.
00:30:21.440There were some liability issues after some laws passed by the DFL trifecta here in Minnesota at the time.
00:30:27.840That's the Democratic Party, basically, of Minnesota.
00:30:31.000And Governor Walz, who still is here as governor, signed off on all of this.
00:30:36.020Well, finally, they had to go ahead and make some law changes to allow SROs back in school.
00:31:06.380We continue covering these stories day after day, month after month, year after year in Minneapolis about their feelings about the police department.
00:31:17.340This really isn't rocket science if they want to fix this.
00:31:21.780We did not report on these issues before.
00:31:25.800Yet they continue to peddle the crime is down narrative in Minneapolis, despite we have four shootings here in less than 24 hours.
00:31:34.220And I will say, even the first mass shooting that took place just yesterday outside of the other school barely even made the news.
00:31:41.020It was about a 20-second mention on the corporate media here in Minnesota because they're not really willing to get to the bottom of why this is happening.
00:31:49.400And, you know, and again, this didn't happen before.
00:31:53.520You had a Minneapolis police department.
00:31:56.440Nearly 900 officers were once on the force.
00:32:01.180They're actually even on the streets of Minneapolis at this point.
00:32:04.480So that certainly, you know, plays a role in this as well.
00:32:10.460I want to just remind our viewers that you and Alpha News were behind the documentary about what really happened in the George Floyd situation and with Derek Chauvin and have backed the blue just by telling the truth.
00:32:23.240And it's a it's a very important documentary that everybody should see.
00:32:26.600And obviously you had concerns then about what was happening to the Minneapolis police force, which is a related.
00:32:32.200It's obviously not necessarily we don't know yet at the heart of this, but there will be questions about response time and could it have been faster if there had been more bodies available?
00:32:41.720And certainly should there just be a standard of a current or retired cop or law enforcement type outside of these these venues?
00:32:50.360I want to play a little bit from the Minneapolis mayor.
00:33:28.940These are kids that should be learning with their friends.
00:33:36.020OK, I don't I don't understand this, Brandon, when people say reject thoughts and prayers because they didn't happen to prevent the injury.
00:33:43.900They didn't like what what is Jacob Fry have in mind?
00:33:47.160Where were his city mandated security officers?
00:33:50.900What he so I mean, even his governor, the far left, Tim Walsh, is offering thoughts and prayers because it's a human response to tragedy.
00:33:59.440Well, these godless, mindless people, of course, they think that thoughts and prayers don't work.
00:34:07.900You know, maybe the thoughts and prayers is the school preventing more kids from dying.
00:35:23.600And then you have to have somebody enforce the law.
00:35:25.380I mean, these people, they make me infuriated, especially when they try to say that thoughts and prayers don't matter.
00:35:34.020Well, maybe the thoughts and prayers is what have prevented this nut job from shooting the school up a long time ago or doing more than one school shooting at a time.
00:35:41.200Or the fact that there's 400 million guns and there's not a murder every 20 seconds in this country.
00:35:47.000Maybe our thoughts and prayers and our prayers to God to protect us have been effective.
00:35:51.960And I just can't stand when these godless people who are either fake Christians, fake Catholics, or they don't believe in God at all,
00:35:58.820are out here trying to shun a religion for saying we are going to at least pray and be faithful to our God for protection.
00:36:07.640And just because it don't work 100% of the time in the moment does not mean that God isn't working.
00:36:12.760It does not mean that we can't do something about it.
00:37:36.360You're up there saying thoughts and prayers.
00:37:38.000What did you do to try to prevent this?
00:37:40.480Because no one's, like, blaming you yet.
00:37:42.060But you're out there blaming people for calling for prayer as somehow they're inappropriate?
00:37:48.740Yeah, well, Megan, unfortunately, as a recovering politician, you know, I think a big part of this is politicians use these moments for opportunities.
00:37:58.880And opportunities to get their name and face in front of the camera, opportunities to apply platitudes and bromides as they feel necessary to, and then also to push their own ideological bent.
00:38:13.240This is a country of 327 million people.
00:38:16.520There are 400 million guns in this country.
00:38:19.440This country was founded upon the Second Amendment.
00:38:22.300There's no way possible that you're going to go back and figure out the solution here is we're just going to start, you know, collecting up guns.
00:38:30.880We're going to have a gun buyback program.
00:38:32.560People are going to willingly turn them in.
00:38:34.680We're going to offer them $50 gift certificates to Walmart, and that's going to solve the problem.
00:38:59.300They subject themselves to background checks.
00:39:01.900They go through the process appropriately.
00:39:04.540The problem is when you live, as you pointed out at the top of this, when you live in a free society that's not subjected to martial law,
00:39:11.680it's next to impossible to ensure that evil doesn't happen.
00:39:15.400And I think Brandon might have mentioned this before, you know, it's the path of least resistance.
00:39:20.060I tell my kids all the time, if you don't lock your car door, you're going to guarantee somebody breaking into your car and taking something.
00:39:27.320If you lock it, it's no guarantee that that won't happen.
00:39:31.180But you make it a little bit more difficult for the criminal.
00:39:35.480Criminals, evil people, mass shooters, terrorists, they're all the same.
00:39:41.020They follow the path of least resistance.
00:39:43.660If this school looked like an opportune place to go and to spray rounds inside windows and to attack people saying their daily mass, that's what happened.
00:40:25.880It's just a question of let's be real about how we could have protected them because it is the first week of school for millions of American school kids.
00:40:33.280And next week is the first week of school for millions more.
00:40:36.380And then there really are things that can be done.
00:40:38.000On that front, James, can I just ask you because, you know, as a news person, I also know, sadly, that these things are often followed by copycat events.
00:41:34.680But copycats don't just follow something that happens in the news.
00:41:38.120They could go see a Denzel Washington movie or an Al Pacino movie and see something there.
00:41:43.960And they could all of a sudden become entranced by that and do the same thing.
00:41:47.600The problem is we know that schools, malls, places of math gatherings, houses of worship, why are those such delectable targets to terrorists and mass shooters that are looking to ratchet up body counts?
00:42:30.860Like, they'd know because eventually, you know, somebody would always have something, not a gun, but something metal that would go off and they'd figure it out.
00:42:37.180But you could make it such that it's not like it is at the airport where it's just kind of less obvious and they're walking through it in the mornings.
00:42:43.480And at a minimum, you could put a guy with a gun or ideally more than one standing out in front of the school so that if in a situation like this, if there had been two guys armed outside of that church because the most precious cargo was inside of it, the guy, I mean, the odds of like a guy being able to come up and take out one guy unexpectedly, I guess, are higher.
00:43:02.360But two, unless it's a sharpshooter with a lot of training, I just, I have my doubts.
00:43:08.120Liz, what are you hearing now from, I know you've been checking your sources this entire conversation.
00:43:12.540It sounds like to me like the Hennepin County Hospital has just now made public what you already reported, that their injuries are between six years old and two, six and between six and 14 year olds, that some six are in critical condition and that they received 16 patients,
00:43:36.220Yeah, and along with that, two adults being treated there at Hennepin County Medical Center as well, which is the trauma center in downtown Minneapolis.
00:43:44.480They did also say at the press conference that apparently this man, again, in his early 20s, dressed in black by the sound of things, does not have a criminal record.
00:43:56.900That is what they did say at the press conference this morning.
00:44:00.680You know, I wanted to bring up a point that I think is also interesting.
00:44:04.220Mayor Jacob Fry attended the Minnesota State Fair, I know, last week and was flanked with police officers there at the fair.
00:44:14.740It's kind of hard for many of us to even take this guy seriously after, you know, everything that has transpired in Minneapolis.
00:44:21.520But the hypocrisy is really through the roof with many of the things coming out of his mouth here at this, you know, press conference this morning at the scene of this horrific shooting.
00:44:32.300Can I just ask you, as far as I know, I don't remember there being an incident where somebody actually tried to take out the mayor.
00:44:40.160I mean, I want him to stay well and healthy and do this job as long as the Minneapolis folks want him there.
00:44:44.480But there was just an attack on a Catholic school yesterday.
00:44:47.500So you'd think if there were time to beef up security at the schools, in particular, possibly the Catholic ones, that would have been today.
00:44:56.400But after all of these shootings, he has very little to say.
00:44:59.940If he is saying anything at all, Megan, it's the fact, you know, how great Minneapolis is and how crime is down.
00:45:06.480They've went ahead and encrypted their communications.
00:45:10.640So now you can't even report many of these incidents at all in real time.
00:45:14.920They took that away because too many independent journalists were putting out, you know, what was really happening in Minneapolis.
00:46:37.140But the scariest thing is then when the parents don't talk to the kids about it and they hear from an authority or to hear from the school and they make it all scary because they because they're not they don't understand your kid the way you do.
00:47:06.580You know, he feels a lot more confident that I talk to him about these things when he go to school.
00:47:11.200You know, they kind of blanket over the situation.
00:47:13.080I remember when I was in school growing up in Texas and we do the tornado warning, you know, I was terrified because the teachers didn't sit and explain what is a tornado?
00:47:33.400What I think parents should do, and one thing I think you said, Megan, that was very important, is that parents don't have to necessarily feel like every school is under threat at this point.
00:47:44.260In reality, it's not really that case.
00:47:47.980There's probably hundreds of schools in Minneapolis.
00:47:50.220You know, when I look at my home school in Texas, we've been around for 100 years or so and no situation has happened like this and no situation has ever happened in the city of Fort Worth, you know, as far as a Fort Worth school district.
00:48:02.120So the majority of the schools are not going to experience this.
00:48:05.740However, I will tell teachers, take a step in the right direction at at least talking to the principal and at least asking them what contingencies do you have in place?
00:48:15.080And if there is none, demand that the school do something about it.
00:48:19.500The parents can come together because my son is at a private school.
00:48:22.320Of course, they love to take some money from us.
00:48:24.440We can demand, since we're spending money and a lot of the parents that go to our school are affluent enough, that we could pay for our own security as a group of parents.
00:48:34.300And so if the school doesn't want to provide it because they don't want to put it in the budget, the parents need to come together and say, we're going to hire personal private security to be at least the external portion of the school.
00:48:57.520It's a thousand parents at some of these schools.
00:48:59.780Come together, give a little bit of money, and let's do what we need to do as parents instead of waiting on these bureaucrats and these politicians to flap their feathers or whatever, peacock a little bit before they actually do anything.
00:49:35.860I think we should create a program for people who are retired military and police.
00:49:40.700Because what happens when you retire from the military or you retire from policing, many of these police officers, they don't live long after.
00:49:48.080And one reason is because they don't feel that they have a purpose.
00:49:53.600They don't feel like they have a purpose anymore because their identity has been saving lives and being active in the community.
00:49:59.500And then when they go home and they sit on the couch, they don't have any friends, no camaraderie.
00:50:03.200They begin to go down a slippery slope at times.
00:50:06.020So in my personal opinion, I think that obviously you have to do a background check and make sure that they're not struggling with PTSD or anything like that.
00:50:12.940But you can have a contingency of getting in these law enforcement officers that can build that passion again to protect and serve something they've done their whole life.
00:50:33.840It would be my pleasure to protect my children from these maniacs that want to come kill them.
00:50:40.060Well, you'd have to add one other thing, which is you have to give him immunity from, you know, lawsuits by parents who want to blame the security guard for whatever, which would be easy to do because without that, the guy's not going to sit there.
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00:54:30.260We're covering the tragic breaking news story out of Minneapolis, a shooting at a Catholic grade school there, K through 8.
00:54:37.260The children next door at the church attending morning mass that began at 8.15, and by 8.30, the shooter was firing at them, leaving multiple children dead, at least two, we've been told now, ages 8 and 10, and many more injured.
00:54:53.620There are multiple children in the hospital.
00:54:56.180We're told there are several critical, who are critically injured.
00:55:00.420I'm going to give you two sound bites, and then I'm going to tell you about the shooter because we have independently confirmed who it is.
00:55:08.020You know, we don't say the names of shooters on this show because we declined to contribute to their infamy.
00:55:15.160But I will tell you that there is a picture circulating online.
00:55:22.400He has long red hair, and there is a question about whether he was experiencing trans delusions about actually being a female and not a biological male, which is what he was.
00:55:41.400First, I just want to get an update on the victims, who are the ones that matter.
00:55:45.300Here is what the police said at a presser exactly one hour ago.
00:55:48.860Earlier today, just before 8.30 a.m., our city experienced an unthinkable tragedy.
00:56:00.040Minneapolis police officers responded to a report of a shooting at a mass that was happening at the Annunciation Roman Catholic Church on the block behind me.
00:56:10.600This worship service was marking the first week of school for children that are attending the Annunciation Catholic School.
00:56:21.780During the mass, a gunman approached on the outside, on the side of the building, and began firing a rifle through the church windows towards the children sitting in the pews at the mass.
00:56:34.800Shooting through the windows, he struck children and worshipers that were inside the building.
00:56:42.640The shooter was armed with a rifle, a shotgun, and a pistol.
00:56:47.300This was a deliberate act of violence against innocent children and other people worshiping.
00:56:57.360The sheer cruelty and cowardice of firing into a church full of children is absolutely incomprehensible.
00:57:07.480God bless the first responders who have to deal with the carnage after the fact, which is just such a test of human strength.
00:57:17.620One of those cops and EMTs had to go in there and pick up a dead 8-year-old and 10-year-old who should have been moving on from mass to go to study the basics of math or reading and see their friends in PE and run around and enjoy the beautiful weather that we're having this time of year.
00:57:36.760And instead, their parents are grieving the kind of grief no parent should ever have to feel.
00:57:42.620The local hospital you heard Liz talk about in our last hour going on the record in terms of what they have received.
00:57:50.800There are multiple hospitals that have received victims, but here's the latest.
00:57:54.020I think this was out of Hennepin County.
00:57:56.800We received a total of 11 patients from this incident.
00:58:03.880Two of them were adult patients, nine pediatric patients.
00:58:08.580Four of them required the operating room.
00:58:11.560And up to this point in time, there have been no fatalities related to any of those patients that were brought to our organization.
00:58:17.680Nine of the 11 patients were pediatric ages.
00:58:30.020They're all in our prayers, both the victims and the families.
00:58:32.840And now we are learning more about the shooter.
00:58:36.200He is said to have entered or at least approach the back of the church from the outside with both, according to the authorities, a rifle and a handgun.
00:58:45.140And open fire through the glass windows on the children inside, obviously shooting more than just children there.
00:58:51.960As you heard, at least two adult victims were brought to that hospital alone.
00:58:55.240When we believe that there were as many as 20 victims total, the numbers have changed a bit as they obviously will continue to once they once the authorities get their arms around exactly who was hit and what hospitals they went to.
00:59:10.340This man was busy posting on his social media this morning.
00:59:15.620It appears to have populated on his YouTube feed, which has now been taken down, but we got there before it was during what would have been the time of the shooting.
00:59:25.480But obviously we have a large YouTube presence and you generally schedule your shows, your posts to appear when you want them to.
00:59:35.540You know, it's it's not that my executive producer is sitting there at five o'clock when he presses publish on YouTube.
00:59:43.500He sets he sets the show to publish at the time that it publishes every day.
01:00:21.680Um, we're not showing his picture as a reminder to my team, who's got his picture in a place where I can see it, but we're not going to put it up there.
01:00:29.200Um, here is the notebook where he has defend equality on top of a pride flag there.
01:00:34.620That's not the only thing there is clearly a desire.
01:00:38.720There's another, uh, phrase by the way, in his writings, why so queer us, a lot of this doesn't make sense, but why so queer, Q-U-E-E-R, like queer us.
01:00:49.600Um, and then there are writings over guns and over the magazines that one would insert in a gun that have a number of obvious possible motives that are referenced like, um, target there.
01:01:56.800I think I mentioned one of the writings, uh, on either the guns or the ammos read, fuck everything that, and then the next word is cut off.
01:02:05.520The beginning of the beginning of it is stand, like maybe the word was stands.
01:02:09.580We can only see S-T-A-N, F everything, that's stand.
01:02:12.920Um, and that's about all we've seen thus far, though we're going through it, because we did manage to capture the two YouTube videos that he posted before YouTube took them down, which is probably another indicator that, I mean, I've confirmed the name of the shooter.
01:02:27.840And this is the shooter's YouTube page.
01:02:31.300Potentially there's another person by this name that is also obsessed with guns and killing children and pictures of Jesus and targets, but I'm going to go out there and say the odds are slim.
01:02:42.480Joining me now to discuss it all, Chad Ayers, founder of Proactive Response Group.
01:02:47.720Proactive Response Group's founders are well-trained veteran SWAT team leaders with firsthand experience in hostage rescues and high-risk dignitary protection.
01:02:56.440And Joe Louris, retired police officer who's currently running for U.S. Congress in Tennessee to replace Mark Green.
01:03:03.000Gentlemen, thank you both so much for being here.
01:03:05.340So let me start with you on it, Chad, because, I mean, this is a situation, we only wish it had turned into a hostage situation where there could have been negotiation before the killing took place.
01:03:15.060But in this instance, like so many others, the shooter showed up and just started firing on defenseless targets.
01:03:21.720And now it appears he did seem intent on targeting this type of group.
01:03:27.720I mean, again, a target practice with a picture of Jesus, where is your God, I guess, like trying to test, right, if God would be there.
01:03:38.940I don't know what the specific motivations were, but as I said at the top of our last hour, it does matter, but it's secondary.
01:03:46.300You know, what appears to have during this is a sick mind, a very sick mind.
01:04:14.840I know that you're a, you know, a lifelong devout Catholic.
01:04:18.240And I can't imagine sitting in that pew and this taking place.
01:04:22.980And all of a sudden, the worst case scenario happens.
01:04:26.460And so I'm not here today, obviously, to Monday morning quarterback these victims.
01:04:31.340But obviously, it is time that we start evaluating.
01:04:34.060I was talking to Joe earlier, evaluating how we are training.
01:04:38.120Are we giving valuable, effective training on this type of situation?
01:04:42.860Because we cannot take a reactive approach.
01:04:44.960Megan, over the last month, you know, we have seen such an increase of events like this, active shooter events.
01:04:51.680And it's time we stop checking the box on this type of training and start providing valuable, effective training, especially for our most precious that are sitting there trying to have time to worship their God and pray and meditate, you know, in mass.
01:05:07.280Yeah, Joe, I mean, look, this guy, we're going to figure out exactly what was driving him.
01:05:14.600I mean, we haven't seen one of these school shootings where the shooter wasn't on some sort of meds nine times out of 10, an SSRI meant to attack depression, but obviously not helping.
01:05:25.720I don't know what this guy's story is going to be, but I'm not surprised to see the the trans ideology.
01:05:32.460We saw that in in Nashville, Tennessee, too.
01:07:56.500But I will reserve saying he was evil because what we find out in case after case is this is someone who had a break, who others around him saw it.
01:08:22.920It's upwards of 88% of these shooters.
01:08:26.180Someone in their home, in the school, in their business knew or suspected that they were going to do something like this and didn't report it.
01:08:34.280So we've got to do a better job of building a culture where I think there's whole snitch mentalities out there.
01:08:43.000And we have dead children, you know, right now at a church.
01:08:47.300So if we see these early warning signs, Joe said it, we have to do a better job as a community coming together, getting the help this person needs and preventing this before it even happens.
01:08:57.600You know, studies show, Megan, the majority of these events happen after some type of break.
01:09:03.280So we're coming off of summer break, school starting back.
01:09:07.940After Christmas break, these events, for some reason, I can't pinpoint why, happen.
01:09:12.300But with that, it's time we start evaluating the way we are training our students and our faculty and staff on what to do with our kids and these types of events.
01:09:23.040Now, I am not, again, I want to second, I am not here Monday morning quarterbacking these poor, innocent children.
01:09:29.020But we have got to get out of this victim mentality of there's an active shooter event.
01:09:33.200Let's shove 26 kids to the corner of a room.
01:09:35.940You know, if the gunman makes it in there or we just lay under our desk.
01:09:38.480I had a call last week with the city administrator from Uvalde, and I said, if the gunman comes into the classroom, where's all those targets at?
01:10:46.800Fighting may be the first course of action you have to take to survive and go home to see your families at the end of the day.
01:10:51.420But just like the fourth grade teacher at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, he was instructed by, you know, his administration in an active shooter event that day, tell your fourth graders to get under their desk and pretend it's nap time.
01:11:03.200And he lost every student in his room that day.
01:11:05.540First of all, that's borderline criminal, if you ask me.
01:11:08.100We have to give our kids a better chance to survive.
01:11:10.700Wow, that is that is dark, but important.
01:11:15.000I mean, I just now you're inspiring me to discuss this with my children.
01:11:19.260I want to play for you, Joe, the reaction from Minnesota Senator Amy Klobuchar, who I mean, she of course, she reacted with what we expected everyone on the left to react with.
01:11:33.320I'm seeing it all over Twitter right now or X.
01:11:36.800It, of course, makes me think about guns and all the work we've done to ban these automatic rifles and to do something when it comes to the background checks and everything.
01:11:54.000We were able to pass a limited measure on a bipartisan basis, but not enough to stop something like this.
01:12:01.420And it just makes you think about that as well without knowing the details about how he got that gun, if the gun was legal, what kind of gun it was.
01:12:09.200But it was clearly one of these automatic rifles to be able to shoot that many kids so fast.
01:13:26.160Even if you hate guns, even if you think everybody would comply and they'd go deposit their semi-automatic handgun in some like basket at the local fire department.
01:14:07.680And I'm actually more to the left on that issue than a lot of my conservative friends who are worried that kind of a red flag exploitation will take guns away from, you know, guys who are in the middle of a acrimonious divorce and witchy wives who are trying to hurt them.
01:15:42.500I want to bring in now to join us on the conversation Gino Rofaro, co-founder and CEO of Safer Watch, technology experts.
01:15:49.420Safer Watch has helped nearly 4,000 schools across the U.S. improve their campus security with reporting apps and panic buttons and the like.
01:16:38.820And that's really why we developed Safer Watch.
01:16:41.620We started the company after the Pulse nightclub shooting and really started focusing on schools after the Parkland shooting.
01:16:47.380And to date, we've helped to stop and prevent 13 planned school shootings.
01:16:51.440And that's all about proactive reporting that Chad mentioned, other people who mentioned, where those tips come into our platform.
01:16:58.080We are connected with hundreds of law enforcement agencies across the country, where those tips, it's not just telling a teacher or telling a friend or telling someone.
01:20:27.340The other drawing that we have just pulled from his YouTube feed, he appears to have used some sort of a, it looks like some sort of a code language because the letters are recognizable, but they make no sense when strung together.
01:20:42.520I don't understand, for example, there's, and actually some of the letters are, look foreign to me, like, like it's not a real letter, like it's more of a symbol.
01:20:50.780For example, there's something that reads K-O-R-A-3, then a backward 3, then T-0, then 3-3-K-O-H-4 backward N.
01:21:01.400I'm just pointing out to you, it's gibberish to the rest of us.
01:21:04.260I don't know what this person's code was.
01:21:06.260But underneath these writings is a hand-drawn picture of what appears to be him.
01:21:11.580It's got the long hair, and he had long hair.
01:21:13.920And he's got one of, he's got a rifle, like an AR-15 looking gun on his back, slung across his back, and he's looking at himself in the mirror.
01:21:45.160And the celebration of killing kids, he was excited to write down how he was going to get, he was going to get these kids looking forward to targeting them for the win.
01:21:55.580That's one of the marks on his ammo, FTW.
01:22:00.300We showed the ammo where he was specifically saying for the kids, he's, you know, humanity's overrated.
01:22:05.320This is, this all could have been written by, we don't say the names of the shooters on the show, but it could have been written by the Sandy Hook shooter, in particular, who is completely depressed, saw himself as a demon.
01:22:16.940And, and I mean, to way oversimplify it is, they are in the throes of a deep depression and madness, and they want others to hurt as well.
01:22:28.920They want others, other lives are absolutely meaningless to them.
01:22:38.000And, and Megan, about 90% of these cases, there are known warning signs that, that do exist.
01:22:47.280And it really comes down to what was reported, who was reported to, what actions were taken, right?
01:22:54.400Because these tragedies, they can be prevented.
01:22:57.240And if you go back to all the way back to the Pulse nightclub shooting, the coworker who worked with that individual knew that he was buying ammunition, knew that he was buying weapons, knew that he had a plan for something.
01:23:09.880And again, that's why these systems are in place to be able to easily report something, right?
01:23:15.020You know, if, if you hear kind of after these tragedies, you're going to hear chiefs of police or sheriffs go on television and say, it's so important.
01:23:20.860If you hear something, say something, report suspicious activity, call 911.
01:23:25.600No one's going to call 911 about a potential concern that they have about someone.
01:23:30.440So the more tools that we have available for people to easily share and report information, the better.
01:23:35.380And the more likely we are to actually get ahead of this and prevent and stop these, these cowards and these mentally ill individuals from, from committing these acts of mass violence.
01:23:45.520You know, can we spend a minute on the trans thing, Chad?
01:23:49.520Because, you know, I, look, I don't mean to, not all people who have gender dysphoria are violent or are going to commit violence, but now we've seen it in a couple of cases.
01:23:58.880You know, we saw it in Nashville, Tennessee, where it was a young girl who identified as male.
01:24:04.480And now we see it here with this biological man who we are told now there's more reporting coming in that he identified as a woman.
01:24:14.640Um, some reporting out there that he began identifying as trans as a minor, um, and the name was changed.
01:24:23.060Again, we don't do names here, but from the male sounding name to a female sounding name, the hair is very long and feminine looking.
01:24:30.500This is, I'm sorry, but this is going to happen more and more.
01:24:33.940It's, there's a medical cocktail that these people get.
01:24:37.020There's a system that affirms a delusional set of beliefs and there's an unwillingness within the mental health community to look at underlying mental health issues for these kids who are suffering.
01:24:53.160I'm not calling this guy a kid, but I'm speaking generally now.
01:24:56.060They just want to say affirm, affirm, affirm without addressing possible mental illness.
01:25:03.940And here's the thing, Megan, there's no doubt.
01:25:07.680Everyone that commits one of these attacks is in some type of mental crisis, everyone.
01:25:12.600And so what you just said, the word I love, why are we coddling these people?
01:25:16.440Why are we saying, you know, affirming them at the end of the day?
01:25:20.440You're, you're born male or you were born female and that's what you're going to be the rest of your life.
01:25:33.940But again, it's time that we stop, you know, coddling this and affirming and, oh, no, we can't talk to them about their mental health because this is just who they are.
01:25:47.580And honestly, this, the education system is backing these people where they're throwing it down our kids throat and affirming, you know, you can be in elementary school now and you walk in, you're not seeing the American flag and saying your prayer or having your moment of silence.
01:26:01.100You're walking into classrooms that have pride flags and everything else in there.
01:26:06.200Again, identify with whatever you want.
01:26:08.400Don't start throwing it down my kid's face and don't start saying it's okay.
01:26:53.880The Nashville school shooter, I mentioned a trans, a so-called declared trans person where they shot multiple individuals, multiple children.
01:27:03.180Uh, Aberdeen, uh, there was a shooter who was trans 2018, uh, went into Rite Aid and shot six coworkers.
01:27:13.300Um, there are more Denver school shooter was trans 2019.
01:27:18.060Um, they killed at least one person, one person, uh, in 2019 in the school and in the Denver area charter school.
01:27:25.220There was one in Iowa where we believe it was the case, trans or gender fluid shooter went in and, uh, shot a sixth grader and a principal who were killed.
01:27:36.160And I will tell you, uh, the left and their entire capture of the medical system does not allow any inquiry into the mental illness that these people are suffering.
01:27:55.700The easiest way that is being preached to us from our governments is if you see something, say something like Chad said, if we don't know as law enforcement, we can't look at it.
01:28:05.820There are telltale signs when we go through these investigations that there were, um, hints and dossiers and writings and pictures and all of these things.
01:28:16.820But what's important is how did they get the gun?
01:28:19.640When we start looking at all of that stuff, there are checks and balances in place that we already have.
01:28:32.100If I tell you that you're mentally ill,
01:28:34.340I just need to say what needs to be said.
01:28:36.500You couldn't even say that and keep your video up on YouTube up until recently.
01:28:40.780If you said a trans person has a mental illness, they would demonetize you and possibly strike the entire video up until only very recently.
01:30:25.960Apparently, according to Nick Sorter, who tweeted out the paperwork on X, there's legal paperwork showing that he changed it from that male name to like a very similar sounding female name.
01:30:36.500And, you know, he's obviously suffering with this ideology like so many of these others were.
01:30:42.480I'm going to show you something else that we've pulled from the YouTube page.
01:30:45.980It does not show him, so I wouldn't be breaking my rule.
01:30:50.160But it does show this guy scrolling through his notebook, which we've been showing you pictures of.
01:30:56.400And for the listening audience, you are going to see these church pew images.
01:34:30.700They will only talk about guns in the wake of this.
01:34:33.500They won't talk about the trans ideology and what the medical profession will and won't do when they encounter somebody who says they're suffering from gender ideology problems.
01:34:42.620They won't deal with institutionalization.
01:34:44.720They won't look at Trump's order, executive order, trying to make it easier to institutionalize someone who's having a serious mental health problem without having to go through 25 different steps to get them there.
01:34:57.440They'll just say he's an authoritarian fascist, whereas there are people who do need to be locked up.
01:35:03.000And this one's for you, Gino, because I've interviewed and I played this for our audience not long ago.
01:35:07.500I've interviewed moms who say, I know I'm raising the next sociopath.
01:35:11.560I know my son or daughter, they'll say, is a sociopath.
01:35:36.440Most therapists will say, I can't therapize your your child out of sociopathy.
01:35:40.760Most facilities won't take them because they realize that this is a lost cause, too.
01:35:44.940So in my my own solution for whatever it's worth for all these years has been we need a facility to which a loving parent or neighbor or even caring judge would willingly send the next school shooter who hasn't yet committed the crime.
01:35:59.260So we were a little in the minority report field where you're in advance of the crime.
01:36:04.140There's a sort of a punishment, if you will.
01:36:06.400But it's to protect other people's civil liberties based on evidence, based on evidence of a mental break.
01:36:12.520So far, the only facility that we have in the United States that anybody has pointed out to me is in Michigan.
01:39:44.600But there are, unfortunately, a bunch of people they track because they've saber-rattled, they've gotten a little odd, they've gotten disturbingly odd.
01:39:53.000And they do exactly what you're saying, and I pay for that service, right?
01:39:57.560And it's a very worthwhile service for me.
01:39:59.260But what you're saying is your organization does this for everyone, for kids, for schools, as so long as people call in the threat.
01:40:08.260Like someone's got, you know, I have people proactively monitoring my stuff for these threats.
01:40:20.140And we also provide the software and the tools for the professionals to actually track and provide additional information to these systems.
01:40:27.980So it's not just a matter of a one-time reporting.
01:40:30.320It's actually following the behavior, following if the person has, you know, not shown up to school, their grades have failed, et cetera, et cetera.
01:40:39.040There's a whole long list of different things that go into potential threats and potential change in behavior that the FBI teach and Secret Service teach
01:40:48.080in terms of certain threat prevention methods.
01:40:51.180But yes, when people show these early warning signs and say threatening things, make drawings of churches and have knives that are stabbing the pages,
01:41:01.540these things need to be paid attention to.
01:41:03.300And not just paid attention to, but they need to be followed over time.
01:41:09.340We've actually helped to stop and prevent it.
01:41:10.760Can you give me the way people can contact your organization?
01:41:13.780Because I guarantee you there are people listening right now who have somebody in mind potentially.
01:41:16.680So if you go to our website, saferwatchapp.com, or you can download the Safer Watch app, you can actually report anywhere in the United States.
01:41:23.480You can report for free, download our application.
01:42:34.680And then how do we stop massive bleeding?
01:42:36.760Upward of 60% of the fatalities and active shooter events would be alive today if someone in the school or the workplace knew how to stop their bleeding.
01:42:44.580So having your teachers trained, having bleeding control kits on site is huge.
01:42:50.220But it's time we start investing into the lives of our teachers and not just saying, you know, listen, Megan, they do fire drills once a month in schools.
01:42:59.660You want to know the last time a kid was killed in a school fire?
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01:45:55.580We don't have the problem solved, but we have a lot of potential solutions sitting right there, sitting right there asking us to choose them.
01:46:01.520And I've got to be honest, I don't have a ton of hope that there's going to be some bipartisan effort to do any of the stuff we've discussed today.