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00:01:00.820 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:02.660 Live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:01:12.500 Hi everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:01:14.120 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:15.460 We start today with the breaking news out of Minneapolis

00:01:17.680 and the reports are terrible.

00:01:20.160 There is currently a massive law enforcement response

00:01:22.460 to a shooting at Annunciation Catholic School

00:01:25.240 and church this morning.

00:01:27.000 The Minneapolis Star Tribune reports

00:01:29.460 first responders said there were at least 20 victims.

00:01:33.320 That does not mean 20 are dead,

00:01:35.660 but 20 were hurt in some way.

00:01:37.560 According to Emergency Dispatch Audio,

00:01:40.440 Reuters now reporting that three are dead,

00:01:42.600 including the shooter,

00:01:43.760 and 20 are injured,

00:01:46.280 citing a Justice Department official.

00:01:48.440 Annunciation School runs from pre-K through 8th grade,

00:01:52.340 and the school began just two days ago.

00:01:56.100 School started on Monday.

00:01:57.400 These are kids just back from their summer vacations,

00:02:01.200 from having fun with their families,

00:02:03.260 the excitement of the first couple of days of school,

00:02:06.340 seeing your friends again,

00:02:07.680 and literally beginning the year in worship,

00:02:10.480 going to the mass,

00:02:13.000 as this was a Catholic school and the adjoining church.

00:02:15.480 They were packed in pews at an 8.15 a.m. school mass.

00:02:20.000 They're literally praying when they were shot.

00:02:25.880 It's like,

00:02:27.500 how is there an explanation?

00:02:30.400 How is there faith in these moments?

00:02:33.780 It's so hard.

00:02:34.800 It's so hard.

00:02:36.620 A shooter started firing what appeared to be

00:02:39.480 a semi-automatic weapon,

00:02:40.860 according to a parent who witnessed the incident.

00:02:43.360 Some are describing it as a rifle.

00:02:46.320 The parent told the Star Tribune,

00:02:47.960 quote,

00:02:48.820 he just pepper sprayed,

00:02:50.380 meaning the gun,

00:02:51.720 through the stained glass windows into the building,

00:02:53.880 50 to 100 shots.

00:02:55.820 A man who lives in the area

00:02:57.080 spoke about what he heard to News Nation.

00:03:01.780 This gentleman goes to morning mass

00:03:04.020 every day of the week,

00:03:05.080 and he usually goes to the Basilica.

00:03:07.860 He just happened to go here randomly,

00:03:10.400 and this is what happened.

00:03:11.620 And you talked to him as he came out?

00:03:12.940 Yep.

00:03:13.280 All the parents were on the,

00:03:15.160 if you've never been in there,

00:03:16.800 there's a right and left,

00:03:18.680 and there's an aisle in between.

00:03:20.840 So all the parents were on the left side.

00:03:23.860 And so he was on the left side.

00:03:25.620 So there must have been sporadic gunfire going on.

00:03:30.500 He said it looked like just a normal Sunday mass.

00:03:33.260 So it was full, you know,

00:03:35.820 of people and children.

00:03:38.120 And how did he get out?

00:03:39.620 He just ran, you know,

00:03:40.700 when the fire,

00:03:41.620 he said it seemed like it went on for eternity,

00:03:44.040 but when it stopped,

00:03:45.040 he just,

00:03:45.440 he ran out of the building.

00:03:48.220 When did you first hear about this?

00:03:50.080 So we live about two blocks from here.

00:03:52.600 I was on a call.

00:03:53.800 All the windows of our home were open.

00:03:56.700 I know what gunfire sounds like.

00:03:59.060 And,

00:03:59.200 and I could tell,

00:04:01.780 I was shocked.

00:04:03.000 I said,

00:04:03.840 there's no way that that could be gunfire.

00:04:05.640 There was so much of it.

00:04:06.920 So it was sporadic.

00:04:08.380 So it was a semi-automatic.

00:04:10.340 It seemed like a rifle.

00:04:11.880 It certainly didn't sound like a handgun.

00:04:14.260 And,

00:04:14.300 and so he must have reloaded,

00:04:17.600 you know,

00:04:18.380 several times for sure.

00:04:20.200 Do you remember about how many gunshots?

00:04:21.920 I,

00:04:22.120 I,

00:04:22.540 I'll just say maybe 30 to 50 to,

00:04:26.580 you know,

00:04:26.840 somewhere in that area.

00:04:28.640 Do you recall about how long?

00:04:30.420 The fire went on?

00:04:31.400 Yeah.

00:04:31.800 For,

00:04:32.380 I would say

00:04:33.860 several minutes.

00:04:37.560 I mean,

00:04:38.140 three minutes or,

00:04:39.620 you know,

00:04:40.240 four,

00:04:40.540 I mean,

00:04:41.100 which is a long time for live gunfire.

00:04:43.620 At this moment,

00:04:46.100 we're receiving more information from local officials.

00:04:48.780 They are the mayor describing the shooter as armed with a rifle shotgun,

00:04:53.600 a pistol as well.

00:04:55.780 We are now being told by the authorities,

00:04:57.760 two children are dead,

00:04:59.880 ages eight and 10 killed where they were sitting in the church.

00:05:04.360 Their parents have been notified.

00:05:06.280 Another 17 have been injured.

00:05:08.000 14 of whom are kids,

00:05:10.360 two of those kids in critical condition at this hour.

00:05:13.620 The shooter took his own life as all of these cowards do in the rear of the church.

00:05:19.040 Right now,

00:05:19.600 we know nothing about him other than it's one suspect.

00:05:23.720 He's deceased.

00:05:24.760 They say he's in his early twenties,

00:05:27.780 does not have an extensive known criminal history.

00:05:32.040 They're looking for motive.

00:05:34.260 I mean,

00:05:35.020 look,

00:05:36.240 it's early,

00:05:37.000 but I've covered so many of these,

00:05:39.360 so many of these as a news reporter and whatever the specific shooter's motivation,

00:05:48.400 what it tends to be.

00:05:50.360 I mean,

00:05:50.580 I could have told you this guy was in his early twenties before we had that report is a guy in

00:05:55.160 his early to mid twenties,

00:05:56.440 possibly late teens at the earliest who's had a psychotic break,

00:06:00.580 who's had some sort of schizophrenic psychotic mental health break,

00:06:04.640 which is basically when it happens and goes homicidal.

00:06:09.200 And there will have been signs.

00:06:11.120 There will have been social media postings.

00:06:13.000 Generally there will have been people in the shooters surrounding environment,

00:06:18.260 whether it's his school,

00:06:19.500 his work,

00:06:20.000 or just his family or friends who have seen troubling signs.

00:06:23.820 And sometimes they report them and sometimes they don't.

00:06:26.640 And sometimes they've had mental health interactions with professionals and sometimes they haven't.

00:06:30.980 But in all cases,

00:06:31.960 the signs were there and we as a society did nothing.

00:06:36.360 I mean,

00:06:36.540 that's really generally how it goes.

00:06:38.120 Even if we had an interaction with a mental health institution or with law enforcement,

00:06:41.940 it's revolving door out.

00:06:44.500 They go.

00:06:44.880 It's someone else's problem until it's the problem of a bunch of school children literally praying as they were shot to death.

00:06:55.360 The local CBS affiliate describing the emotional scene as it unfolded here.

00:07:02.260 I'm directly in front of the entrance to the school on Barfield Avenue and West 54th,

00:07:07.520 right off of Lindale.

00:07:08.440 And I have seen children leave the school with bandages on their arm.

00:07:16.380 One child left with a bandage on his arm,

00:07:19.580 race to his mother for an embrace.

00:07:21.860 It's clearly a very serious situation.

00:07:27.920 We will not speculate on any details.

00:07:30.640 What we know now is what I'm seeing.

00:07:32.920 And what I'm seeing is an active police scene outside of the school.

00:07:38.800 And I have seen two children leave with bandages on their arm.

00:07:42.800 It's a really emotional scene here for people who are looking on.

00:07:47.380 I've seen very distraught looking people, potentially parents whose children attend this school.

00:07:54.640 And I have seen police go in and out of the school here.

00:07:59.520 At least a dozen ambulances blocking off the entire road.

00:08:04.020 And just a very active scene and an emotional one for the parents and the families.

00:08:10.600 And as you can hear there, some of the reporters covering it, how could it not be?

00:08:18.140 The Minneapolis Star Tribune reporting young children in school uniforms were seen filing out of the building,

00:08:23.160 clasping hands with their parents and friends.

00:08:25.580 Some did not have shoes on.

00:08:27.320 A little boy crying and walking away from the scene was heard saying to his father,

00:08:32.200 I don't feel safe.

00:08:33.360 I mean, these kids experienced quite a trauma this morning, even the ones who were not injured physically.

00:08:43.360 President Trump posting on Truth Social, quote,

00:08:45.420 I have been fully briefed on the tragic shooting in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

00:08:48.520 The FBI quickly responded, and they are on the scene.

00:08:51.780 The White House will continue to monitor this terrible situation.

00:08:54.820 Please join me in praying for everyone involved.

00:08:57.440 Minnesota Governor Tim Walz writing on X, quote,

00:08:59.920 I am praying for our kids and teachers whose first week of school was marred by this horrific act of violence.

00:09:09.720 Law enforcement updating, again, looking for motive.

00:09:13.680 No explosives were found at the scene.

00:09:16.000 One smoke bomb, like a firework, was apparently found.

00:09:21.820 Do not know whether that was deployed or not.

00:09:24.980 Joining me now for Reaction, Minnesota journalist Liz Collin of Alpha News.

00:09:28.460 James Gagliano, retired FBI supervisory agent.

00:09:32.560 James was the senior FBI SWAT team leader for the FBI's New York office

00:09:36.020 and a member of the FBI's elite hostage rescue team.

00:09:39.520 And Brandon Tatum, he's former police officer and host of the Officer Tatum show.

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00:10:43.700 Thank you all so much for being here.

00:10:47.140 Let me start with you on it, James.

00:10:49.020 Your reaction to the news coming out so far that this appears to be one shooter who took his own life

00:10:53.420 after gunning down a bunch of defenseless schoolchildren.

00:10:57.400 Megan, you laid it out perfectly in the preamble.

00:10:59.860 I mean, this happens all too often.

00:11:01.880 And look, going back to 1966 and the University of Texas clock tower shooting where Charles Whitman

00:11:08.260 went up into a clock tower in August of 1966 and gunned down a bunch of co-eds,

00:11:13.780 which is generally considered the first quote-unquote mass shooting that begun the need in the nexus for SWAT in this country.

00:11:22.440 It's just a sad, sad situation.

00:11:24.620 Look, I think right now the number one thing, the focus is, was this a conspiracy or was this a lone wolf actor?

00:11:32.200 And you described the disaffected, disenfranchised outsider that typically fills the bill in these things.

00:11:40.980 Yes, there'll be a history of mental illness.

00:11:43.580 Yes, there'll be questions on how did he get his hands on a semi-automatic rifle.

00:11:48.100 There's going to be questions about how did we not notice this with all the red flags that appear to be available.

00:11:52.860 But, Megan, we live in a country that treasures and prizes our civil liberties.

00:11:58.500 We don't want martial law.

00:12:00.400 And at the same time, how does this happen?

00:12:02.900 How does a church and a school with young children in it get targeted and so many people either wounded or lost their lives this morning?

00:12:10.180 Horrible, horrible tragedy.

00:12:12.100 Liz, you're a reporter in Minneapolis, in Minnesota.

00:12:16.740 This, I mean, it's unbelievably tragic.

00:12:19.280 And parents can't get their arms around it, whether their child was involved or not.

00:12:23.640 But the reporting we're hearing is that this is the second day in a row where a Christian school was targeted, that there was another Christian school targeted yesterday, four miles away from this, or a Jesuit high school.

00:12:40.140 Yeah, actually, Megan, this is now the fourth shooting that has taken place in Minneapolis in less than a 24-hour period.

00:12:50.100 We've had three fatal shootings in a 12-hour period before this horrific act of violence at this Catholic school in Minneapolis.

00:12:59.300 But you're right, there was a mass shooting just yesterday outside of Cristo Rey High School, which is another Catholic school.

00:13:06.520 At this point in the press conference that just wrapped up here on scene, they did say they did not see any sort of connection between these other shootings.

00:13:15.260 But one Minneapolis police officer told me this morning, in his opinion, this has been the darkest 24 hours in Minneapolis history.

00:13:24.200 Keep in mind, this is a police force down nearly 40% after what happened after the George Floyd incident in 2020.

00:13:33.000 These cops are already really stretched to the limits.

00:13:36.860 And to see these horrific scenes unfolding in southwest Minneapolis this morning, absolutely heartbreaking.

00:13:44.900 And I'll be honest, this is actually where my son attended preschool when I lived in Minneapolis for more than 10 years.

00:13:51.760 So really kind of personal for many of us here as well.

00:13:56.940 And still so many answers, but it's hard to even imagine school starts on a Monday.

00:14:02.680 Tuesday morning, there's a mass where all the kids go, all the little kids, the big kids, they're all there for mass each and every morning.

00:14:11.380 It's a terrific school, and I can't say enough about the good people there.

00:14:15.660 And gunfire erupts through the windows at these children.

00:14:20.440 Again, as you said, we have two children dead.

00:14:24.140 I've been in touch with sources at both the Hennepin County Medical Center and Children's Hospital in Minneapolis.

00:14:30.420 They are treating multiple victims on scene.

00:14:33.640 It did come in originally as up to 20 victims, and that seems to be the case.

00:14:39.020 It sounds like multiple victims are in critical condition at this point, and they are in the most serious areas of the hospital being treated.

00:14:49.180 And again, the gunman seems to have killed himself right in the parking lot there, according to what we just heard in the press conference.

00:14:56.580 Do we know, Liz, whether this is a level one trauma center where the kids have been brought to?

00:15:03.800 Yeah, there's both two facilities that both are able to handle these types of calls.

00:15:11.840 But in my correspondence with my sources at Hennepin County Medical Center, they've said they were kind of overwhelmed previously with the gunfire that has erupted in the city.

00:15:23.980 So they were doing their best to scramble and get in, it sounds like, to treat these children.

00:15:30.960 Just absolutely horrific to think about.

00:15:34.520 I'll be back to you in one sec, because I have questions about the church, too, especially since you've got a personal connection to it.

00:15:40.120 Brandon, the reports are that they're going through the shooter's vehicle, which is in the church parking lot.

00:15:45.540 But I guess the police are saying they don't see a connection to the shooting that happened yesterday behind this Jesuit high school.

00:15:52.660 Although I will say in that case, they say a man was killed, five men and one woman were also injured, and the suspect got away.

00:16:00.500 But the police apparently not thinking that it's the same person who committed this atrocity.

00:16:04.780 You know, there are going to be a lot of parents who are wondering what they can do, what they can do.

00:16:11.140 I mean, I don't even if the school were fortified with a security officer, I'm not sure they'd be outside of the church when the kids went to mass.

00:16:18.080 There's a certain belief, I think, that we have that there are certain institutions that just aren't going to be targeted.

00:16:25.480 And it's it's baseless, unfortunately.

00:16:27.960 Well, I think it's a thanks for having me on, Megan.

00:16:32.800 I think that this is a combination of issues that we need to address in society.

00:16:37.740 One is that we do need to fortify these schools.

00:16:40.200 We cannot take it for granted that there's nut jobs out here that's looking to kill innocent people. 0.99

00:16:44.820 You know, it hit home to me. My son just went to school today.

00:16:47.400 He goes to a Catholic school and they do mass.

00:16:49.300 And it makes me think about it all the time.

00:16:51.460 If what if an assailant decide to come to the school, what security measures do they have in place?

00:16:55.380 This is not a matter of in many cases, not a matter of if it's when somebody is going to attempt to assault a Christian institution.

00:17:03.840 And one of the things that I think is problematic is we don't give it enough credit to our efforts to fight against anti-Christian rhetoric.

00:17:12.480 You know, we have anti-Jewish rhetoric.

00:17:14.420 We have anti-Muslim rhetoric.

00:17:15.680 But where is the rhetoric that is targeted against people who attack Christians?

00:17:20.620 It is not a coincidence that this person decided to attack a Catholic school on the day that they do mass.

00:17:27.580 And I think it's a huge problem.

00:17:29.160 But we need to fortify our schools.

00:17:31.260 We need to stop playing games and hoping that a hope and a prayer is going to stop our children from getting shot.

00:17:37.820 We need security at the school.

00:17:39.900 We need police officers at the school.

00:17:41.120 I don't care how much of a boogeyman it looks like to certain people.

00:17:44.620 We need people there to be able to rapidly respond.

00:17:47.480 And I'm not saying there's nobody at this school, but I think the schools need to fortify the school a little bit more.

00:17:53.240 And therefore, they can be there to respond rapidly and make sure that there's not as many casualties as could be if they don't have anyone who could defend the students and the teachers there.

00:18:03.640 That's right.

00:18:04.320 That was my first reaction.

00:18:05.360 Where's the good guy with a gun?

00:18:06.640 How did he have such unfettered access to children for so long?

00:18:10.740 And we heard the eyewitness account at the top of the show.

00:18:13.420 Here's another one.

00:18:14.500 This is a neighbor.

00:18:15.580 Bill Byneman is his name.

00:18:17.520 What he was saying is that there was no way he believed it was gunfire because it went on too long.

00:18:21.280 And that's the thing, James.

00:18:22.700 You know, Minneapolis, Minnesota, it's got very tight gun laws.

00:18:25.840 There clearly wasn't a good guy with a gun there because it wasn't just this guy, Bill.

00:18:30.040 Somebody else described what sounded like a pause and a reloading by this guy.

00:18:34.880 There clearly was not a resource officer or a security officer who was armed.

00:18:39.820 I mean, I'm assuming because I assume that person would have taken this guy out a lot sooner.

00:18:44.120 Yeah, I'll go back to what Brandon was saying just a few minutes ago.

00:18:48.900 Whether you go back to the Parkland tragedy, which was back in 2018, or the Uvalde, Texas tragedy, where a number of students were shot to death in a school out in Texas.

00:18:59.560 Law enforcement has to go to the sound of the guns.

00:19:03.480 The days of being methodical and slowly but surely with shields and advancing slowly toward the threat are over.

00:19:12.520 When these things happen, and look, Megan, this is way early in the process.

00:19:16.640 Could, and I'm going to throw this out as a supposition, but that's what we do here in the criminology department.

00:19:22.800 Could this be a case of workplace violence?

00:19:26.060 Okay, yes.

00:19:27.160 Could it be a domestic dispute?

00:19:29.440 Okay, yes.

00:19:30.860 But probably, as we look at this, was this something more onerous where somebody targeted this place because of either the religion or the ideology there, the fact that it was a school?

00:19:41.440 Or was it some unhinged person that decided they wanted to ratchet up a body count?

00:19:46.180 All those things don't matter until the shooter is down.

00:19:48.940 We know the shooter is down now, and now we've got to do a couple of things.

00:19:52.620 One, make certain that there was no conspiracy afoot there.

00:19:56.600 Is this part of a broader conspiracy where there might be other targets?

00:20:01.280 If we determine that's not the case, okay, now we step back, take a deep breath, and now we figure out how do we prevent the next one?

00:20:08.360 Well, there's lots of ways.

00:20:09.380 You just mentioned it, a school resource officer, a single-point entry into these places, and Megan, I'll put my political hat on for a second.

00:20:17.700 So I just stepped down after two terms as a mayor in an upstate village in New York State, and one of the things that we were concerned about a couple years ago, there were credible threats against Catholic churches in communities across New York State.

00:20:31.400 I was pleasantly surprised to go to speak to my own pastor at our own Catholic church here to find out that they already have plans in place.

00:20:40.000 Most places, whether they're synagogues, whether they're Catholic churches, whether they're mosques, they understand that unhinged people, and yes, terrorists, because what is terrorism?

00:20:51.800 It's violence or the threat of shame in the pursuit of certain political, ideological, or religious goals.

00:20:59.400 And in this instance, way too early to make that determination, but the fact that there should have been a school resource officer there, there should have been somebody armed and carrying concealed in these places, because unfortunately, as Brandon pointed out a minute ago, there are targets and threats, and this is unfortunately the new normal.

00:21:17.220 Liz, do you have any idea, as somebody who had a child there, I'm like, I'm very well aware of what the security plans are at my children's schools, because obviously, I'm in news, and as you well know, we have to think about these things more than the average citizen ever wants to.

00:21:33.220 Do we know anything about whether this is a school that had a good guy with a gun on standby, just in case?

00:21:38.320 Yeah, I mean, in my time there, which is about eight, nine years ago, when I moved out of the city of Minneapolis, I can say no, that there was not an armed security guard there at the school.

00:21:53.100 I'll also say that this mass, it takes place every morning, and the school itself, which is a K-8 building, but they do offer some preschool programs there as well, is an older building.

00:22:06.100 I would kind of describe it as a bit of a maze, the way that many of them are makeshift classrooms, so that was my immediate thought, that perhaps this gunman somehow got inside and was going room to room, but then to hear these details to just open fire through the stained glass windows during mass, which is where the kids basically start their day each and every morning, obviously added another horrific element to all this.

00:22:31.320 I was just getting some latest information here from the hospital on the numbers, and they are saying, this is from Hennepin County Medical Center, that children ages 6 through 14 are being treated there.

00:22:45.940 Six of them are in critical condition, so six of them are in critical at this point, and again, kids ages 6 through 14.

00:22:54.320 They say that they got 11 patients total from the shooting, nine they consider pediatric patients, and two adults, so that is the latest from Hennepin County.

00:23:07.960 So the reports, again, that as many as 20 shot in this incident, those were the initial reports just a couple of hours ago now, seem to be the case with what the hospitals are reporting now at this hour.

00:23:21.940 I mean, the thing that's so frustrating in watching all this, Brandon, is I'll tell you right now, nothing's going to change.

00:23:28.860 Absolutely nothing is going to change.

00:23:30.400 We had 20 dead first graders at Sandy Hook.

00:23:34.040 Nothing changed.

00:23:35.660 If you don't change after 20 dead first graders, you don't change.

00:23:40.100 And I understand it because we're a free country, and we can't protect against any and all threats out there,

00:23:45.800 but we can fortify the areas where our most vulnerable are, you know, and that means the schools, whether it's the school itself or the adjacent church where they worship because it's a Catholic school.

00:23:58.440 That we actually can do, but you know as well as I do, what we're about to do is spiral into a debate about guns.

00:24:07.660 That's where the media and the left will take this.

00:24:10.080 That's what they do every time, and my own belief is that's exactly why nothing will change.

00:24:15.500 That actually might stop the next one.

00:24:19.120 Well, yeah, because the thing is if you're focusing on the wrong issue, you can never fix anything.

00:24:24.180 You know, in this situation, the gun is not the problem.

00:24:26.740 The person with the gun is the problem.

00:24:28.060 Clearly there's many people with guns that are not shooting up a school, and then you go down the list of how could this have happened,

00:24:34.540 and there's, like you said, Megan, there are signs.

00:24:36.620 The parents, where are the parents at?

00:24:39.460 Where are the people that are saying this person is crazy, this person is threatening to shoot up places, this person is, you know, a loner, and there are signs to this stuff.

00:24:47.940 And we have laws, and we have investigatory bodies that look into these things.

00:24:53.040 The FBI looks into them, local law enforcement, counterterrorism.

00:24:56.600 We have elements in place that already exist that we can actually utilize that can prevent these things.

00:25:03.900 It's very clear, Megan, you know, people want to use this as a political pawn because they hate guns.

00:25:10.060 They want to make Donald Trump look bad.

00:25:12.040 They want to make Republicans look bad, either side of the spectrum, and they would rather talk about the guns.

00:25:16.780 They would rather talk about bans.

00:25:18.080 They would rather talk about banning AR-15s.

00:25:20.020 But the truth of the matter is law-abiding citizens are going to be the only people that are affected by a ban of AR-15.

00:25:26.840 Crazy lunatics will always have an opportunity to obtain firearms. 0.99

00:25:32.960 Same thing in prohibition.

00:25:34.620 People will be able to get illegal things if they have their minds set on it.

00:25:39.380 And they're going to shoot up more and more schools and hurt more and more people because nobody's going to be armed, especially the good guys.

00:25:46.020 It is asinine to me that at this point we are not focusing on bolstering our law enforcement agencies, making them have higher staff numbers so they can protect schools like this.

00:25:58.320 There's nothing outside of the realm of saying we need to hire more law enforcement.

00:26:02.580 We need to have every school, especially public schools, because that is where the money comes from.

00:26:08.000 But every public school should have multiple resource officers there to protect, there to prevent crimes outside of mass shootings.

00:26:15.360 And then we'll look at it like this.

00:26:18.280 If we go back, and it's early in this investigation, so we don't know all the details, but if we go back to this school, I guarantee you that there was no real recourse.

00:26:27.920 That's why this person chose this particular school during mass.

00:26:31.340 They probably scouted the school, may have gone to the school, and they know that when I go here, I'm going to be unabetted.

00:26:38.900 I'm not going to have any resistance from any teacher, from any law enforcement, no security.

00:26:44.400 And that's why they went to that school and not the school down the street or the school around the corner.

00:26:49.220 And when are we going to wake up to this reality?

00:26:51.580 If I had control of the schools, I would say we need to have armed security staff with AR-15s at the school.

00:26:59.500 You can have them staged in a strategic area where they're not visible to the kids, but when somebody comes on campus, they can react very swiftly.

00:27:08.440 I completely agree.

00:27:10.600 There need to be more cops or law enforcement or security officers at these schools, armed, armed officers.

00:27:18.620 I guarantee you we're going to spiral into the guns, guns, guns.

00:27:22.360 And I'm totally open-minded to if this guy had some sort of mental health history and got a gun anyway, we should definitely be looking into how that happened and try to stop that from continuing to happen in other cases.

00:27:34.160 Absolutely.

00:27:35.260 But another gun law is not going to do it.

00:27:38.620 We have 400 million guns in the United States of America.

00:27:44.900 400 million.

00:27:46.080 The vast majority of them are semi-automatic handguns.

00:27:51.320 They will never be taken away from the people.

00:27:54.140 Never.

00:27:55.060 Even if there were a voluntary give up your gun program, there would still be hundreds of millions out there that people would hold.

00:28:01.340 It's America.

00:28:02.140 It's too embedded in the foundation and fabric of who we are.

00:28:06.020 The answer, my friends, I'm sorry to my gun control advocates.

00:28:10.560 Friends, it's not more laws on guns.

00:28:13.900 It's not going to work.

00:28:14.860 It hasn't worked.

00:28:16.080 You are the one stopping the productive conversations.

00:28:18.860 You are.

00:28:19.720 What we need is more good guys with guns on soft targets.

00:28:23.660 And yes, we need to take a serious look at our mental health system and why we don't mandatorily institutionalize people around whom there have been repeated red flags,

00:28:34.080 who the rest of us can see in many cases very clearly we're on a steady path to deteriorating, right?

00:28:40.140 Like we've seen it many, many times.

00:28:41.740 And I don't know what this guy's history is going to be, but I guarantee you it is what I said.

00:28:45.940 At the top, there's going to be some issue around this guy.

00:28:49.200 It could be one of a number of things, but people are going to have a talk or in a discussion about whether he was spiraling, could have been medication involved, could have been a mental health system.

00:28:57.260 And that's already seeing this guy, but there will have been signs and we will have done very little about it.

00:29:02.040 Liz, you're the minute Minneapolis, Minnesota has very strong gun laws.

00:29:08.080 I'm just, I just asked the team to pull the summary for me before we went on the air.

00:29:13.360 Minnesota requires background checks for handgun purchases at the point of sale and or for permit to purchase allows law enforcement and often family members to petition for a court order to temporarily prevent someone in crisis from accessing guns.

00:29:26.260 Bars, bars, guns, bars, bars, gun possession by people who have been involuntarily committed or found to be a danger to themselves or others requires that firearms be stored, locked, unloaded and separate from ammo.

00:29:36.860 In certain circumstances, assault weapons prohibited bars, concealed carry by people with assault or other violent misdemeanor convictions.

00:29:43.100 How many times have we seen this in states with the toughest gun laws in the nation, including New York state, just a month ago, where that guy walked into that building and shot up, you know, the lobby and then went up to the whatever floor it was, 20 something.

00:29:58.740 Talk to me a little bit about the Minnesota attitude toward guns and fortification of soft targets.

00:30:05.460 You know, I think it's such an important point to bring up in all of this.

00:30:08.700 It wasn't that long ago that school resource officers were not even allowed in Minnesota schools.

00:30:14.140 This was post George Floyd when several departments decided to pull their officers out of the schools.

00:30:21.440 There were some liability issues after some laws passed by the DFL trifecta here in Minnesota at the time.

00:30:27.840 That's the Democratic Party, basically, of Minnesota.

00:30:31.000 And Governor Walz, who still is here as governor, signed off on all of this.

00:30:36.020 Well, finally, they had to go ahead and make some law changes to allow SROs back in school.

00:30:41.640 And that's just pretty recent.

00:30:43.420 So there was more than one school year that passed, not even allowing SROs in schools at all in Minnesota.

00:30:51.200 And again, hard to ignore the politics at play in Minneapolis.

00:30:54.380 You have a primarily socialist-controlled city council in Minneapolis.

00:31:01.180 This isn't me calling them socialists.

00:31:02.780 They are self-proclaimed socialists.

00:31:04.360 They do not like the police.

00:31:06.380 We continue covering these stories day after day, month after month, year after year in Minneapolis about their feelings about the police department.

00:31:17.340 This really isn't rocket science if they want to fix this.

00:31:21.780 We did not report on these issues before.

00:31:25.800 Yet they continue to peddle the crime is down narrative in Minneapolis, despite we have four shootings here in less than 24 hours.

00:31:34.220 And I will say, even the first mass shooting that took place just yesterday outside of the other school barely even made the news.

00:31:41.020 It was about a 20-second mention on the corporate media here in Minnesota because they're not really willing to get to the bottom of why this is happening.

00:31:49.400 And, you know, and again, this didn't happen before.

00:31:53.520 You had a Minneapolis police department.

00:31:56.440 Nearly 900 officers were once on the force.

00:31:59.340 Now I think it's about 350.

00:32:01.180 They're actually even on the streets of Minneapolis at this point.

00:32:04.480 So that certainly, you know, plays a role in this as well.

00:32:10.460 I want to just remind our viewers that you and Alpha News were behind the documentary about what really happened in the George Floyd situation and with Derek Chauvin and have backed the blue just by telling the truth.

00:32:23.240 And it's a it's a very important documentary that everybody should see.

00:32:26.600 And obviously you had concerns then about what was happening to the Minneapolis police force, which is a related.

00:32:32.200 It's obviously not necessarily we don't know yet at the heart of this, but there will be questions about response time and could it have been faster if there had been more bodies available?

00:32:41.720 And certainly should there just be a standard of a current or retired cop or law enforcement type outside of these these venues?

00:32:50.360 I want to play a little bit from the Minneapolis mayor.

00:32:53.540 His name is Jacob Fry.

00:32:54.840 He's the guy who knelt before the casket of George Floyd, which is sort of an infamous moment among people who watch this all go down.

00:33:02.620 Years ago, and he took the microphones just as we were coming on the air.

00:33:06.800 Here's what he said.

00:33:09.000 These were Minneapolis families.

00:33:11.000 These were American families.

00:33:13.840 And the amount of pain that they are suffering right now is extraordinary.

00:33:19.920 Don't just say this is about thoughts and prayers right now.

00:33:22.800 These kids were literally praying.

00:33:25.020 It was the first week of school.

00:33:27.540 They were in a church.

00:33:28.940 These are kids that should be learning with their friends.

00:33:36.020 OK, I don't I don't understand this, Brandon, when people say reject thoughts and prayers because they didn't happen to prevent the injury.

00:33:43.900 They didn't like what what is Jacob Fry have in mind?

00:33:47.160 Where were his city mandated security officers?

00:33:50.900 What he so I mean, even his governor, the far left, Tim Walsh, is offering thoughts and prayers because it's a human response to tragedy.

00:33:59.440 Well, these godless, mindless people, of course, they think that thoughts and prayers don't work.

00:34:07.900 You know, maybe the thoughts and prayers is the school preventing more kids from dying.

00:34:11.320 How would he know?

00:34:12.040 But the funny thing is, is that if he went to mass to visit the school, he would have a security detail there.

00:34:16.960 Why?

00:34:17.920 Just in case somebody decided to try to take his life.

00:34:20.960 But his thoughts and prayer comment is not backed up with any kind of real tangible actions that he's willing to take.

00:34:28.120 Is he going to is he going to say on the news with his theater that he's presenting that we need to fortify the schools?

00:34:34.540 Let me tell you something real quick, Megan.

00:34:36.140 I think you know this and everybody on the panel know this.

00:34:38.420 Which one will happen quicker?

00:34:39.720 If we pass legislation to ban every AR-15, every assault weapon or whatever they call it in the state of Minnesota, period.

00:34:46.920 I mean, nobody can own them.

00:34:47.960 They have a gun confiscation.

00:34:49.460 Which one will happen quicker?

00:34:50.980 That legislative power or fortifying the school?

00:34:55.820 I mean, tonight, they could get police officers at the school.

00:34:59.180 Tonight, they can hire private security.

00:35:01.460 Tonight, they can do it.

00:35:03.260 Every school in the city by at least at the end of this week, every school can have somebody.

00:35:08.940 If they wanted to pass legislation, it's going to take forever.

00:35:12.880 It has to go through the Congress in the state.

00:35:17.180 They have to somehow pass it.

00:35:18.560 They have to go through the House.

00:35:19.440 It has to go through the governor.

00:35:20.860 It has to sign in the law.

00:35:22.160 Then it has to go into effect.

00:35:23.600 And then you have to have somebody enforce the law.

00:35:25.380 I mean, these people, they make me infuriated, especially when they try to say that thoughts and prayers don't matter.

00:35:34.020 Well, maybe the thoughts and prayers is what have prevented this nut job from shooting the school up a long time ago or doing more than one school shooting at a time.

00:35:41.200 Or the fact that there's 400 million guns and there's not a murder every 20 seconds in this country.

00:35:47.000 Maybe our thoughts and prayers and our prayers to God to protect us have been effective.

00:35:51.960 And I just can't stand when these godless people who are either fake Christians, fake Catholics, or they don't believe in God at all, 0.99

00:35:58.820 are out here trying to shun a religion for saying we are going to at least pray and be faithful to our God for protection.

00:36:07.640 And just because it don't work 100% of the time in the moment does not mean that God isn't working.

00:36:12.760 It does not mean that we can't do something about it.

00:36:15.820 It's not about just praying.

00:36:17.920 God said in the Bible that you seek and you shall find.

00:36:21.120 Knock it and shall be open.

00:36:22.140 That means the action needs to come from you and God will then protect you in the action that you take.

00:36:26.640 Thank you so much for saying it.

00:36:29.080 You know, I opened the show saying these are the moments when you see an 8-year-old and a 10-year-old shot to death in a church,

00:36:36.460 you know, at school, opening the day in prayer, that your own faith can get rattled, right?

00:36:41.660 Like, why? Why, God? Why?

00:36:43.840 You know, you just don't understand it.

00:36:45.340 But the second half of that is this kind of thing, not this particular tragedy, but tragedy, awful things happen all the time.

00:36:53.940 And you ask God, why? Why would you allow it?

00:36:57.460 Why is it okay? Why do kids get cancer?

00:36:59.440 Why do you let them suffer at all?

00:37:01.020 It's part of being a faithful person to ask that question, and it's totally fine to ask that question.

00:37:06.800 And then you remind yourself, most of us do, of our own status as mere mortals.

00:37:13.160 You know, that we can't know everything.

00:37:15.620 We don't have all the answers, and we never will.

00:37:17.700 But you go on believing anyway.

00:37:19.280 You don't give up on prayer.

00:37:21.040 You don't give up on faith when you need it most.

00:37:23.680 And let's face it, when you're a mayor in a position like this guy, that's just a totally inappropriate response.

00:37:30.120 Who is he trying to pawn responsibility off on, right, James?

00:37:34.220 It's like, you're the mayor.

00:37:36.360 You're up there saying thoughts and prayers.

00:37:38.000 What did you do to try to prevent this?

00:37:40.480 Because no one's, like, blaming you yet.

00:37:42.060 But you're out there blaming people for calling for prayer as somehow they're inappropriate?

00:37:48.740 Yeah, well, Megan, unfortunately, as a recovering politician, you know, I think a big part of this is politicians use these moments for opportunities.

00:37:58.880 And opportunities to get their name and face in front of the camera, opportunities to apply platitudes and bromides as they feel necessary to, and then also to push their own ideological bent.

00:38:11.840 And look, you laid it out.

00:38:13.240 This is a country of 327 million people.

00:38:16.520 There are 400 million guns in this country.

00:38:19.440 This country was founded upon the Second Amendment.

00:38:22.300 There's no way possible that you're going to go back and figure out the solution here is we're just going to start, you know, collecting up guns.

00:38:30.880 We're going to have a gun buyback program.

00:38:32.560 People are going to willingly turn them in.

00:38:34.680 We're going to offer them $50 gift certificates to Walmart, and that's going to solve the problem.

00:38:39.940 We've got to be pragmatic about this.

00:38:42.440 The vast majority of gun owners in this country, and I say this as a 25-year law enforcement veteran,

00:38:49.460 The vast majority are good and decent citizens.

00:38:53.680 They're the best of the best.

00:38:55.700 They follow the rules.

00:38:57.400 They get permits where applicable.

00:38:59.300 They subject themselves to background checks.

00:39:01.900 They go through the process appropriately.

00:39:04.540 The problem is when you live, as you pointed out at the top of this, when you live in a free society that's not subjected to martial law,

00:39:11.680 it's next to impossible to ensure that evil doesn't happen.

00:39:15.400 And I think Brandon might have mentioned this before, you know, it's the path of least resistance.

00:39:20.060 I tell my kids all the time, if you don't lock your car door, you're going to guarantee somebody breaking into your car and taking something.

00:39:27.320 If you lock it, it's no guarantee that that won't happen.

00:39:31.180 But you make it a little bit more difficult for the criminal.

00:39:35.480 Criminals, evil people, mass shooters, terrorists, they're all the same.

00:39:41.020 They follow the path of least resistance.

00:39:43.660 If this school looked like an opportune place to go and to spray rounds inside windows and to attack people saying their daily mass, that's what happened.

00:39:54.960 Now, is it a guarantee?

00:39:56.080 Is it a panacea to say one armed SRO, there might have been the difference?

00:40:00.780 No, but you've got to put the deterrent effect up there.

00:40:04.060 You've got to ensure that you make it as difficult as possible.

00:40:07.440 And Megan, that's the right conversation to be having now in the wake of this horrible tragedy.

00:40:11.220 That's right.

00:40:12.220 How many layers?

00:40:12.920 My audience, let me talk about this before just from my own security.

00:40:15.920 It's all about putting layers between you and a bad guy.

00:40:19.260 How many layers can you put?

00:40:20.420 And we didn't have enough layers between these children and a bad guy.

00:40:23.880 And it's not 2020 hindsight.

00:40:25.880 It's just a question of let's be real about how we could have protected them because it is the first week of school for millions of American school kids.

00:40:33.280 And next week is the first week of school for millions more.

00:40:36.380 And then there really are things that can be done.

00:40:38.000 On that front, James, can I just ask you because, you know, as a news person, I also know, sadly, that these things are often followed by copycat events.

00:40:45.980 I'm sorry to say it.

00:40:47.000 It's just it is true.

00:40:49.640 And that could be potentially at another place of worship or at another school.

00:40:53.680 And so if you got called in to advise those venues, any one of them right now, what would you be telling them?

00:41:01.000 That's a great question, Megan.

00:41:02.540 Look, I grew up in the deep south.

00:41:04.960 You can't tell from my accent in Decatur, Georgia in the 1970s and 80s.

00:41:09.800 The biggest fear I had at my elementary school was, oh, my gosh, the Russian threat. 1.00

00:41:15.440 The Soviet Union is going to bomb us and we have to get underneath our desk and tornado drills.

00:41:20.540 We never had mass shooting drills.

00:41:22.660 Unfortunately, the paradigm has shifted.

00:41:26.060 And in law enforcement, we have to shift and adapt to that.

00:41:30.460 Now, are copycats real things?

00:41:33.540 Absolutely.

00:41:34.680 But copycats don't just follow something that happens in the news.

00:41:38.120 They could go see a Denzel Washington movie or an Al Pacino movie and see something there.

00:41:43.960 And they could all of a sudden become entranced by that and do the same thing.

00:41:47.600 The problem is we know that schools, malls, places of math gatherings, houses of worship, why are those such delectable targets to terrorists and mass shooters that are looking to ratchet up body counts?

00:42:02.940 Because they're soft targets.

00:42:05.400 You know, to go to a sporting event, to go to, you know, MetLife Stadium in New York and watch the New York Giants play.

00:42:11.580 Yes.

00:42:12.000 You can't be armed.

00:42:13.260 You're going through.

00:42:14.400 That's right.

00:42:14.900 As you just pointed out, layers of screening.

00:42:17.600 We need that, unfortunately.

00:42:19.300 It's a sad state of affairs, but that's where we are.

00:42:21.600 We need that in churches and we need that in schools ASAP.

00:42:25.900 Mm-hmm.

00:42:26.340 It wouldn't, I mean, you could do it such that the kids don't even know they're going through a magnetometer.

00:42:30.320 You really could.

00:42:30.860 Like, they'd know because eventually, you know, somebody would always have something, not a gun, but something metal that would go off and they'd figure it out.

00:42:37.180 But you could make it such that it's not like it is at the airport where it's just kind of less obvious and they're walking through it in the mornings.

00:42:43.480 And at a minimum, you could put a guy with a gun or ideally more than one standing out in front of the school so that if in a situation like this, if there had been two guys armed outside of that church because the most precious cargo was inside of it, the guy, I mean, the odds of like a guy being able to come up and take out one guy unexpectedly, I guess, are higher.

00:43:02.360 But two, unless it's a sharpshooter with a lot of training, I just, I have my doubts.

00:43:08.120 Liz, what are you hearing now from, I know you've been checking your sources this entire conversation.

00:43:12.540 It sounds like to me like the Hennepin County Hospital has just now made public what you already reported, that their injuries are between six years old and two, six and between six and 14 year olds, that some six are in critical condition and that they received 16 patients,

00:43:31.660 nine of whom are pediatric.

00:43:33.520 What's the latest as far as you know?

00:43:36.220 Yeah, and along with that, two adults being treated there at Hennepin County Medical Center as well, which is the trauma center in downtown Minneapolis.

00:43:44.480 They did also say at the press conference that apparently this man, again, in his early 20s, dressed in black by the sound of things, does not have a criminal record.

00:43:56.900 That is what they did say at the press conference this morning.

00:44:00.680 You know, I wanted to bring up a point that I think is also interesting.

00:44:04.220 Mayor Jacob Fry attended the Minnesota State Fair, I know, last week and was flanked with police officers there at the fair.

00:44:12.540 Many were with him.

00:44:14.740 It's kind of hard for many of us to even take this guy seriously after, you know, everything that has transpired in Minneapolis.

00:44:21.520 But the hypocrisy is really through the roof with many of the things coming out of his mouth here at this, you know, press conference this morning at the scene of this horrific shooting.

00:44:32.300 Can I just ask you, as far as I know, I don't remember there being an incident where somebody actually tried to take out the mayor.

00:44:38.720 And not that we want that.

00:44:40.160 I mean, I want him to stay well and healthy and do this job as long as the Minneapolis folks want him there.

00:44:44.480 But there was just an attack on a Catholic school yesterday.

00:44:47.500 So you'd think if there were time to beef up security at the schools, in particular, possibly the Catholic ones, that would have been today.

00:44:56.400 But after all of these shootings, he has very little to say.

00:44:59.940 If he is saying anything at all, Megan, it's the fact, you know, how great Minneapolis is and how crime is down.

00:45:06.480 They've went ahead and encrypted their communications.

00:45:10.640 So now you can't even report many of these incidents at all in real time.

00:45:14.920 They took that away because too many independent journalists were putting out, you know, what was really happening in Minneapolis.

00:45:20.460 So that change finally took place.

00:45:22.340 So there's a lot of creative ways that they are doing things here in Minneapolis to keep the truth, I think, from coming to light.

00:45:31.340 Mm hmm. And now, Brandon, realistically, nothing's going to change.

00:45:37.780 And parents, coast to coast, will send their kids to school tomorrow and the next day and the day after that.

00:45:42.580 And in the vast, vast majority of cases, nothing will happen, God willing.

00:45:46.740 Nothing will happen.

00:45:47.560 I mean, these school shootings are too common, but they are not they are not overall common.

00:45:55.760 You know, they're too common, but they're not common.

00:45:57.380 The vast majority of students go to school every day and they're not they're not hurt.

00:46:01.640 They're not harmed and they're not in danger.

00:46:03.420 But an event like this, as you point out, it's terrorism.

00:46:06.660 It will have a reverberating effect for at least the next few weeks as it's on the mind of students.

00:46:13.000 I mean, I'll tell you the truth.

00:46:14.240 I've got three kids.

00:46:15.400 They're 15, 14 and 12.

00:46:17.400 I don't talk to them about this stuff.

00:46:19.280 I just don't.

00:46:20.620 I think there's very little they can do in the moment.

00:46:23.000 The schools, of course, all do these drills.

00:46:25.360 But I just think the more you discuss this kind of thing with a young person, the more you scare them.

00:46:30.420 What do you think?

00:46:31.620 Well, I think I think you have a point there, but I think it's two sides to it.

00:46:34.920 You know, right.

00:46:35.720 Sometimes it could be very scary.

00:46:37.140 But the scariest thing is then when the parents don't talk to the kids about it and they hear from an authority or to hear from the school and they make it all scary because they because they're not they don't understand your kid the way you do.

00:46:48.280 Right.

00:46:48.440 I understand what makes my kid afraid.

00:46:50.540 I understand what could be a compassionate approach or make them feel a lot more confident, give them encouragement.

00:46:56.360 I know how to talk to my son.

00:46:57.760 So when I talk to my kids about things like this, I believe that they feel a lot more confident.

00:47:02.500 They hear it from dad, who was a former law enforcement officer.

00:47:05.360 I was on the SWAT team.

00:47:06.580 You know, he feels a lot more confident that I talk to him about these things when he go to school.

00:47:11.200 You know, they kind of blanket over the situation.

00:47:13.080 I remember when I was in school growing up in Texas and we do the tornado warning, you know, I was terrified because the teachers didn't sit and explain what is a tornado?

00:47:21.400 How is this going to work?

00:47:22.380 What really is going to happen?

00:47:23.520 I mean, they scared the living daylights out of us when we did the tornado drill.

00:47:26.680 So with having my dad speak to me, made me feel a lot more confident because he can explain the nuances and we can go back and forth.

00:47:32.380 He can answer questions.

00:47:33.400 What I think parents should do, and one thing I think you said, Megan, that was very important, is that parents don't have to necessarily feel like every school is under threat at this point.

00:47:44.260 In reality, it's not really that case.

00:47:47.100 This is one.

00:47:47.980 There's probably hundreds of schools in Minneapolis.

00:47:50.220 You know, when I look at my home school in Texas, we've been around for 100 years or so and no situation has happened like this and no situation has ever happened in the city of Fort Worth, you know, as far as a Fort Worth school district.

00:48:02.120 So the majority of the schools are not going to experience this.

00:48:05.740 However, I will tell teachers, take a step in the right direction at at least talking to the principal and at least asking them what contingencies do you have in place?

00:48:15.080 And if there is none, demand that the school do something about it.

00:48:19.500 The parents can come together because my son is at a private school.

00:48:22.320 Of course, they love to take some money from us.

00:48:24.440 We can demand, since we're spending money and a lot of the parents that go to our school are affluent enough, that we could pay for our own security as a group of parents.

00:48:34.300 And so if the school doesn't want to provide it because they don't want to put it in the budget, the parents need to come together and say, we're going to hire personal private security to be at least the external portion of the school.

00:48:44.260 They can be in plain clothes.

00:48:45.940 They can be in unmarked cars.

00:48:47.640 The fee for that is not that big of a deal.

00:48:49.780 I mean, one officer maybe per day, I mean, he's probably getting paid $30 an hour.

00:48:53.940 The school times is between X and Y.

00:48:56.480 The parents can come together.

00:48:57.520 It's a thousand parents at some of these schools.

00:48:59.780 Come together, give a little bit of money, and let's do what we need to do as parents instead of waiting on these bureaucrats and these politicians to flap their feathers or whatever, peacock a little bit before they actually do anything.

00:49:12.120 Like we can do something.

00:49:13.500 A lot of these retired cops would do it for a reduced rate.

00:49:16.800 You know, they'd split the shift.

00:49:17.740 One guy would take four hours.

00:49:19.040 Another guy would take four hours.

00:49:20.200 A lot of these retired cops, they have hearts of gold.

00:49:22.700 They'd give you a lower rate. 0.55

00:49:24.980 Yeah, they'd do it for free.

00:49:26.100 Megan, maybe they would do it for free.

00:49:27.240 Just provide transportation.

00:49:30.000 Give me a lunch, you know, if I was in that position.

00:49:33.460 Let me serve.

00:49:34.500 Let me have a purpose again.

00:49:35.860 I think we should create a program for people who are retired military and police.

00:49:40.700 Because what happens when you retire from the military or you retire from policing, many of these police officers, they don't live long after.

00:49:48.080 And one reason is because they don't feel that they have a purpose.

00:49:51.020 Many of them become depressed.

00:49:52.360 They commit suicide.

00:49:53.600 They don't feel like they have a purpose anymore because their identity has been saving lives and being active in the community.

00:49:59.500 And then when they go home and they sit on the couch, they don't have any friends, no camaraderie.

00:50:03.200 They begin to go down a slippery slope at times.

00:50:06.020 So in my personal opinion, I think that obviously you have to do a background check and make sure that they're not struggling with PTSD or anything like that.

00:50:12.940 But you can have a contingency of getting in these law enforcement officers that can build that passion again to protect and serve something they've done their whole life.

00:50:21.940 They would love and be honored.

00:50:23.800 If I didn't have a lot to do and I wasn't running all these companies, I would suit up and sit outside my son's school for hours for free.

00:50:32.400 That's a great idea.

00:50:33.840 It would be my pleasure to protect my children from these maniacs that want to come kill them.

00:50:40.060 Well, you'd have to add one other thing, which is you have to give him immunity from, you know, lawsuits by parents who want to blame the security guard for whatever, which would be easy to do because without that, the guy's not going to sit there.

00:50:52.180 So you're losing nothing by giving him that.

00:50:54.420 But we need to do something to incentivize good guys to want to be present protecting these children.

00:51:00.200 We've had Columbine.

00:51:01.540 We've had Parkland.

00:51:02.720 We've had Uvalde.

00:51:04.120 Now we have this school, Ascension.

00:51:06.000 We had the school down in Louisiana.

00:51:07.300 Louisiana, like it's too much or Tennessee, Tennessee and New Orleans.

00:51:12.700 Nashville, forgive me.

00:51:13.840 I'm mixing them up.

00:51:15.420 There have been so many.

00:51:16.340 We need to get serious about where the threat actually is.

00:51:21.300 There's a reason these soft targets continuously get targeted.

00:51:26.040 And it's time we face that reality and do something about it.

00:51:28.820 You guys, thank you all so much for being here.

00:51:30.640 Really appreciate it.

00:51:31.660 James, Liz, Brandon, all the best to you.

00:51:33.300 We're going to stay on after this break as we have now Carol Markowitz of the New York Post, who has the identity of the shooter.

00:51:40.180 And we're learning more about him.

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00:54:24.380 Welcome back to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:54:30.260 We're covering the tragic breaking news story out of Minneapolis, a shooting at a Catholic grade school there, K through 8.

00:54:37.260 The children next door at the church attending morning mass that began at 8.15, and by 8.30, the shooter was firing at them, leaving multiple children dead, at least two, we've been told now, ages 8 and 10, and many more injured.

00:54:53.620 There are multiple children in the hospital.

00:54:56.180 We're told there are several critical, who are critically injured.

00:55:00.420 I'm going to give you two sound bites, and then I'm going to tell you about the shooter because we have independently confirmed who it is.

00:55:08.020 You know, we don't say the names of shooters on this show because we declined to contribute to their infamy.

00:55:15.160 But I will tell you that there is a picture circulating online.

00:55:19.400 The man is very pale.

00:55:20.980 He's said to be in his mid-20s.

00:55:22.400 He has long red hair, and there is a question about whether he was experiencing trans delusions about actually being a female and not a biological male, which is what he was.

00:55:37.460 And we've confirmed that, too.

00:55:39.900 We'll get to that in one second.

00:55:41.400 First, I just want to get an update on the victims, who are the ones that matter.

00:55:45.300 Here is what the police said at a presser exactly one hour ago.

00:55:48.860 Earlier today, just before 8.30 a.m., our city experienced an unthinkable tragedy.

00:56:00.040 Minneapolis police officers responded to a report of a shooting at a mass that was happening at the Annunciation Roman Catholic Church on the block behind me.

00:56:10.600 This worship service was marking the first week of school for children that are attending the Annunciation Catholic School.

00:56:21.780 During the mass, a gunman approached on the outside, on the side of the building, and began firing a rifle through the church windows towards the children sitting in the pews at the mass.

00:56:34.800 Shooting through the windows, he struck children and worshipers that were inside the building.

00:56:42.640 The shooter was armed with a rifle, a shotgun, and a pistol.

00:56:47.300 This was a deliberate act of violence against innocent children and other people worshiping.

00:56:57.360 The sheer cruelty and cowardice of firing into a church full of children is absolutely incomprehensible.

00:57:07.480 God bless the first responders who have to deal with the carnage after the fact, which is just such a test of human strength.

00:57:17.620 One of those cops and EMTs had to go in there and pick up a dead 8-year-old and 10-year-old who should have been moving on from mass to go to study the basics of math or reading and see their friends in PE and run around and enjoy the beautiful weather that we're having this time of year.

00:57:36.760 And instead, their parents are grieving the kind of grief no parent should ever have to feel.

00:57:42.620 The local hospital you heard Liz talk about in our last hour going on the record in terms of what they have received.

00:57:50.800 There are multiple hospitals that have received victims, but here's the latest.

00:57:54.020 I think this was out of Hennepin County.

00:57:56.800 We received a total of 11 patients from this incident.

00:58:03.880 Two of them were adult patients, nine pediatric patients.

00:58:08.580 Four of them required the operating room.

00:58:11.560 And up to this point in time, there have been no fatalities related to any of those patients that were brought to our organization.

00:58:17.680 Nine of the 11 patients were pediatric ages.

00:58:20.960 I can't remember the exact ages.

00:58:24.520 I believe it's six all the way up to 14.

00:58:27.320 That's the range.

00:58:30.020 They're all in our prayers, both the victims and the families.

00:58:32.840 And now we are learning more about the shooter.

00:58:36.200 He is said to have entered or at least approach the back of the church from the outside with both, according to the authorities, a rifle and a handgun.

00:58:45.140 And open fire through the glass windows on the children inside, obviously shooting more than just children there.

00:58:51.960 As you heard, at least two adult victims were brought to that hospital alone.

00:58:55.240 When we believe that there were as many as 20 victims total, the numbers have changed a bit as they obviously will continue to once they once the authorities get their arms around exactly who was hit and what hospitals they went to.

00:59:07.820 We'll get a final number.

00:59:10.340 This man was busy posting on his social media this morning.

00:59:15.620 It appears to have populated on his YouTube feed, which has now been taken down, but we got there before it was during what would have been the time of the shooting.

00:59:25.480 But obviously we have a large YouTube presence and you generally schedule your shows, your posts to appear when you want them to.

00:59:35.540 You know, it's it's not that my executive producer is sitting there at five o'clock when he presses publish on YouTube.

00:59:43.500 He sets he sets the show to publish at the time that it publishes every day.

00:59:47.760 And that's very possible.

00:59:49.840 In any event, we have confirmed his name.

00:59:52.920 It's not important.

00:59:53.840 You don't need to know his name.

00:59:54.760 And they've taken down his social media anyway, but we're going to show it to you.

00:59:57.340 Um, and this does appear to be somebody who was experiencing some sort of gender dysphoria.

01:00:05.420 He has long red hair.

01:00:07.680 He's very unattractive, which is not surprising.

01:00:11.280 Um, and he's among other things posted an LGBT, LGBTQ flag next to it.

01:00:19.200 He wrote defend equality.

01:00:21.680 Um, we're not showing his picture as a reminder to my team, who's got his picture in a place where I can see it, but we're not going to put it up there.

01:00:29.200 Um, here is the notebook where he has defend equality on top of a pride flag there.

01:00:34.620 That's not the only thing there is clearly a desire.

01:00:38.720 There's another, uh, phrase by the way, in his writings, why so queer us, a lot of this doesn't make sense, but why so queer, Q-U-E-E-R, like queer us.

01:00:49.600 Um, and then there are writings over guns and over the magazines that one would insert in a gun that have a number of obvious possible motives that are referenced like, um, target there.

01:01:06.740 Oh, sorry.

01:01:07.120 Like, uh, hold on.

01:01:09.280 I'm trying to read my own writing.

01:01:10.820 Where is your God?

01:01:13.320 Um, extra Jew gas. 0.90

01:01:17.240 Israel must fall. 0.96

01:01:19.600 Kill Donald Trump.

01:01:22.220 R-I-P and tear. 0.98

01:01:24.620 T-E-A-R. 1.00

01:01:25.460 Maybe it's tear.

01:01:26.260 I don't know what that means.

01:01:28.060 Humanity is overrated.

01:01:30.540 Nothing ever happens.

01:01:33.060 Uh, so he's clearly focused on looks like those who believe in God.

01:01:40.800 He's got another, like a target you would use and shoot at during target practice, which has a picture of Jesus Christ.

01:01:48.600 Um, now it's starting to make some sense.

01:01:52.740 What's the target he chose?

01:01:55.360 What was on his mind?

01:01:56.800 I think I mentioned one of the writings, uh, on either the guns or the ammos read, fuck everything that, and then the next word is cut off. 0.95

01:02:05.520 The beginning of the beginning of it is stand, like maybe the word was stands.

01:02:09.580 We can only see S-T-A-N, F everything, that's stand. 1.00

01:02:12.920 Um, and that's about all we've seen thus far, though we're going through it, because we did manage to capture the two YouTube videos that he posted before YouTube took them down, which is probably another indicator that, I mean, I've confirmed the name of the shooter.

01:02:27.840 And this is the shooter's YouTube page.

01:02:31.300 Potentially there's another person by this name that is also obsessed with guns and killing children and pictures of Jesus and targets, but I'm going to go out there and say the odds are slim.

01:02:42.480 Joining me now to discuss it all, Chad Ayers, founder of Proactive Response Group.

01:02:47.720 Proactive Response Group's founders are well-trained veteran SWAT team leaders with firsthand experience in hostage rescues and high-risk dignitary protection.

01:02:56.440 And Joe Louris, retired police officer who's currently running for U.S. Congress in Tennessee to replace Mark Green.

01:03:03.000 Gentlemen, thank you both so much for being here.

01:03:05.340 So let me start with you on it, Chad, because, I mean, this is a situation, we only wish it had turned into a hostage situation where there could have been negotiation before the killing took place.

01:03:15.060 But in this instance, like so many others, the shooter showed up and just started firing on defenseless targets.

01:03:21.720 And now it appears he did seem intent on targeting this type of group.

01:03:27.720 I mean, again, a target practice with a picture of Jesus, where is your God, I guess, like trying to test, right, if God would be there.

01:03:38.940 I don't know what the specific motivations were, but as I said at the top of our last hour, it does matter, but it's secondary.

01:03:46.300 You know, what appears to have during this is a sick mind, a very sick mind.

01:03:51.380 Your thoughts?

01:03:53.840 I totally agree with you, Megan, and thanks for having me.

01:03:56.440 Again, just I want to second what you say.

01:03:58.400 My heart breaks for these families who are going through this today.

01:04:03.320 Obviously, you know, this investigation is going to play out.

01:04:06.340 At Pro Act and Response Group, this is what we do.

01:04:08.020 I am sitting in a school right now, training a school on how do you handle active shooter events.

01:04:13.400 We were at a church.

01:04:14.840 I know that you're a, you know, a lifelong devout Catholic.

01:04:18.240 And I can't imagine sitting in that pew and this taking place.

01:04:22.980 And all of a sudden, the worst case scenario happens.

01:04:26.460 And so I'm not here today, obviously, to Monday morning quarterback these victims.

01:04:31.340 But obviously, it is time that we start evaluating.

01:04:34.060 I was talking to Joe earlier, evaluating how we are training.

01:04:38.120 Are we giving valuable, effective training on this type of situation?

01:04:42.860 Because we cannot take a reactive approach.

01:04:44.960 Megan, over the last month, you know, we have seen such an increase of events like this, active shooter events.

01:04:51.680 And it's time we stop checking the box on this type of training and start providing valuable, effective training, especially for our most precious that are sitting there trying to have time to worship their God and pray and meditate, you know, in mass.

01:05:05.520 And the worst case scenario happens.

01:05:07.280 Yeah, Joe, I mean, look, this guy, we're going to figure out exactly what was driving him.

01:05:14.600 I mean, we haven't seen one of these school shootings where the shooter wasn't on some sort of meds nine times out of 10, an SSRI meant to attack depression, but obviously not helping.

01:05:25.720 I don't know what this guy's story is going to be, but I'm not surprised to see the the trans ideology. 0.83

01:05:32.460 We saw that in in Nashville, Tennessee, too.

01:05:35.820 And the FBI kept that secret from us.

01:05:37.660 Joe Biden's FBI kept that secret from us for a year, saying we couldn't handle it.

01:05:41.620 It was OK, we can handle it.

01:05:43.860 We need to know what what sort of medical cocktail was this person on, if any.

01:05:48.600 And the motivations that were like the tip, the tipping point.

01:05:53.140 We'll look at that.

01:05:54.240 But obviously, this guy had some sort of a break.

01:05:57.360 And unfortunately, the target today was Catholic children.

01:06:02.380 So I don't even know where you begin other than to get a bunch of cops out there, retired cops with guns.

01:06:08.340 Your thoughts on it.

01:06:10.520 Megan, thanks for having me.

01:06:12.020 I couldn't agree with you more.

01:06:13.960 They are these delusional people are attacking our most vulnerable.

01:06:19.920 Minneapolis, Minnesota as a whole, has universal background checks.

01:06:24.240 They have to have permits to purchase weapons, you know, gun, shotguns, anything.

01:06:29.540 Where was that?

01:06:30.540 This is exactly why I'm running for Congress.

01:06:32.700 This is exactly the problem that we have here in the United States.

01:06:36.460 The soft on crime, defund the police.

01:06:38.960 This is what happens.

01:06:40.100 And I'm a father.

01:06:41.420 And it scares me every day when I drop my daughter off at school because could this be the day?

01:06:47.560 And this is not the America that we should live in.

01:06:50.340 This is not the America that I fought and bled for and buried my friends.

01:06:53.960 Now, I'm with Chad.

01:06:55.180 We need to be more proactive and call it what it is.

01:06:58.500 This is delusion.

01:06:59.980 The left is catering to this and this is the outcome.

01:07:04.600 And we see that in all of this politics as, you know, all this hate that's going on because our country is so divided.

01:07:11.540 We need to come together as Americans and remember what's important and protect our most precious resources, which is our children.

01:07:19.080 I don't know how many times we need to be reminded, Chad, that our children are sadly a favorite target of these madmen.

01:07:27.340 I know I was ticking off the names of the schools before we went to break.

01:07:30.300 There are too many to remember.

01:07:32.200 And right now, yet another piece coming through to us from his YouTube feed.

01:07:36.820 One magazine literally has, I assume, his handwriting for the children written on it.

01:07:44.680 Ha, ha, ha, ha at the bottom with an exclamation point.

01:07:48.100 This is a very sick person, a sick, deranged.

01:07:54.060 I want to say evil.

01:07:55.540 What he did was evil.

01:07:56.500 But I will reserve saying he was evil because what we find out in case after case is this is someone who had a break, who others around him saw it.

01:08:07.000 It either was reported or it wasn't.

01:08:08.940 But no one did anything about it.

01:08:11.560 No one did anything about it.

01:08:14.080 They just let him roam until he became someone else's problem.

01:08:18.320 It absolutely pisses me off.

01:08:22.920 It's upwards of 88% of these shooters.

01:08:26.180 Someone in their home, in the school, in their business knew or suspected that they were going to do something like this and didn't report it.

01:08:34.280 So we've got to do a better job of building a culture where I think there's whole snitch mentalities out there.

01:08:39.960 Oh, I don't want to be a snitch.

01:08:41.080 It's not snitching.

01:08:41.880 It's called survival.

01:08:43.000 And we have dead children, you know, right now at a church.

01:08:47.300 So if we see these early warning signs, Joe said it, we have to do a better job as a community coming together, getting the help this person needs and preventing this before it even happens.

01:08:57.600 You know, studies show, Megan, the majority of these events happen after some type of break.

01:09:03.280 So we're coming off of summer break, school starting back.

01:09:06.440 After COVID, there was a break.

01:09:07.940 After Christmas break, these events, for some reason, I can't pinpoint why, happen.

01:09:12.300 But with that, it's time we start evaluating the way we are training our students and our faculty and staff on what to do with our kids and these types of events.

01:09:23.040 Now, I am not, again, I want to second, I am not here Monday morning quarterbacking these poor, innocent children.

01:09:29.020 But we have got to get out of this victim mentality of there's an active shooter event.

01:09:33.200 Let's shove 26 kids to the corner of a room. 0.99

01:09:35.940 You know, if the gunman makes it in there or we just lay under our desk.

01:09:38.480 I had a call last week with the city administrator from Uvalde, and I said, if the gunman comes into the classroom, where's all those targets at?

01:09:45.360 They're in one spot.

01:09:46.340 Why are we not giving our kids a chance to survive?

01:09:48.540 If the gunman is inside the school, if the gunman is inside your house of worship, where's the gunman not at?

01:09:53.520 He's not outside.

01:09:54.500 We need to pop in doors, windows, and getting kids out. 0.99

01:09:58.840 That's a very good point.

01:10:00.500 Like, run.

01:10:01.340 Yeah, you're right.

01:10:02.340 Generally, the drill is stay there.

01:10:04.460 Hide.

01:10:04.940 That's really the drill.

01:10:05.940 Well, it's not really get out.

01:10:07.500 It's not get out of the windows, which they probably could in most circumstances.

01:10:11.520 And I can't stand the word hide.

01:10:13.740 I'm not playing hide and go seek with a madman with a gun.

01:10:16.660 The quickest way to get terminated from proactive response group is to ever use the word hide in a class.

01:10:21.200 At that point, really, you've given up all hope.

01:10:23.620 If you can get away safely, get away.

01:10:25.860 If you can't, we want to shut, lock, barricade.

01:10:28.060 But you always have to be ready to fight.

01:10:30.740 You know, we need to empower our teachers and give them the options.

01:10:34.420 And what option and where the gunfire is, let them determine what course of action is going to give them the best chance to survive.

01:10:40.500 See, that run, hide, fight training model says it's a linear approach.

01:10:44.340 People think you have to go in that order.

01:10:46.220 No.

01:10:46.800 Fighting may be the first course of action you have to take to survive and go home to see your families at the end of the day.

01:10:51.420 But just like the fourth grade teacher at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, he was instructed by, you know, his administration in an active shooter event that day, tell your fourth graders to get under their desk and pretend it's nap time.

01:11:03.200 And he lost every student in his room that day.

01:11:05.540 First of all, that's borderline criminal, if you ask me.

01:11:08.100 We have to give our kids a better chance to survive.

01:11:10.700 Wow, that is that is dark, but important.

01:11:15.000 I mean, I just now you're inspiring me to discuss this with my children.

01:11:19.260 I want to play for you, Joe, the reaction from Minnesota Senator Amy Klobuchar, who I mean, she of course, she reacted with what we expected everyone on the left to react with. 0.80

01:11:33.320 I'm seeing it all over Twitter right now or X.

01:11:36.160 Here she is.

01:11:36.800 It, of course, makes me think about guns and all the work we've done to ban these automatic rifles and to do something when it comes to the background checks and everything.

01:11:52.680 And we keep getting thwarted.

01:11:54.000 We were able to pass a limited measure on a bipartisan basis, but not enough to stop something like this.

01:12:01.420 And it just makes you think about that as well without knowing the details about how he got that gun, if the gun was legal, what kind of gun it was.

01:12:09.200 But it was clearly one of these automatic rifles to be able to shoot that many kids so fast.

01:12:16.220 All right.

01:12:16.640 I'm sorry.

01:12:17.220 That's just not that's not right.

01:12:18.920 Chad wants to take it.

01:12:19.940 That's clearly not right.

01:12:20.960 An automatic weapon.

01:12:22.120 That's a machine gun.

01:12:23.560 Literally, nobody's saying the guy had a machine gun.

01:12:25.980 Go ahead.

01:12:26.600 Right.

01:12:27.680 There's sorry, Joe.

01:12:28.900 So I want to make sure you understand, guys, this is all I do is I study these events.

01:12:33.900 I cannot find a single active shooter event that's ever been committed, but the fully automatic rifle in the United States ever.

01:12:40.660 That's right.

01:12:41.080 So and these are people that are sitting up in D.C.

01:12:44.780 And again, they know nothing.

01:12:47.000 That's right.

01:12:47.680 And the worst school shooting of all time was Virginia Tech.

01:12:51.140 I was there covering it in the moments after it happened.

01:12:54.820 And that was conducted with handguns, semi-automatic handguns, which number in the hundreds of millions in our country.

01:13:01.120 They will never be gone.

01:13:02.600 No matter what law is passed, they will never, ever go away.

01:13:06.900 These assault weapons bans that speak to banning automatic weapons like that's OK.

01:13:13.700 That's not going to do anything like it didn't do anything in Minnesota.

01:13:16.900 And you cannot effectively pass any sort of a ban on semi-automatic weapons.

01:13:23.840 Banning the guns is not the answer.

01:13:26.160 Even if you hate guns, even if you think everybody would comply and they'd go deposit their semi-automatic handgun in some like basket at the local fire department.

01:13:36.440 OK, they wouldn't.

01:13:37.400 But even if you're in your imaginary world, they would like some healthy portion would.

01:13:42.260 There'd still be hundreds of millions running around.

01:13:44.400 And the bad guys are the ones who get them.

01:13:46.380 You would just be disarming the law abiding ones.

01:13:48.940 Trust me.

01:13:49.440 I am not some huge Second Amendment person.

01:13:51.220 I'm a news person who's watched more of these events than I care to admit.

01:13:57.420 Banning the guns doesn't help.

01:14:00.920 Putting red flags all over people who have serious mental health histories and trying to take their guns away.

01:14:06.960 I'm with you.

01:14:07.680 And I'm actually more to the left on that issue than a lot of my conservative friends who are worried that kind of a red flag exploitation will take guns away from, you know, guys who are in the middle of a acrimonious divorce and witchy wives who are trying to hurt them. 0.71

01:14:21.100 And I get that.

01:14:21.800 And that needs to be screened for.

01:14:22.840 But I'm not as right wing as some of my friends are in it.

01:14:25.980 But I'm telling you, gun bans, Amy, are not actually going to work.

01:14:30.940 And therefore, they're not going to protect the children.

01:14:33.280 Go ahead, Joe.

01:14:34.720 I can tell you, as a retired undercover detective, if I have bought guns on the street, criminals are criminals.

01:14:41.700 They are not going to abide by the rules.

01:14:44.020 Now, in Minnesota, they have very strict gun laws.

01:14:47.580 But yet here we are once again.

01:14:50.180 We need to look at the culture.

01:14:52.060 You're not going to abandon.

01:14:53.340 It goes to your point, Virginia Tech.

01:14:55.340 It was a handgun.

01:14:56.820 Fort Hood, an American soldier, an officer used handguns.

01:15:02.020 We need to understand that there is a culture problem and we need to be more protective of who we are.

01:15:09.020 But what it is really is we need to empower the police.

01:15:12.120 President Trump is doing that, restoring nobility to the police.

01:15:15.960 As a police officer, we are trained to run toward the danger.

01:15:19.560 This is why I want to run for Congress.

01:15:21.600 Like, this is horrible on all ends.

01:15:23.820 But to hear legislatures just say, oh, we just need to have more legislation.

01:15:28.500 No, you need to enforce what you have and go after these cowards because that's what they are.

01:15:33.720 They are cowards.

01:15:35.160 You are going and shooting children.

01:15:37.320 It's like they can pass another gun ban to make themselves feel better.

01:15:40.360 It's not going to do anything.

01:15:42.500 I want to bring in now to join us on the conversation Gino Rofaro, co-founder and CEO of Safer Watch, technology experts.

01:15:49.420 Safer Watch has helped nearly 4,000 schools across the U.S. improve their campus security with reporting apps and panic buttons and the like.

01:15:56.160 And he's my guest now.

01:15:57.360 Gino, thank you for joining the conversation.

01:15:59.540 Your thoughts on the immediate – I mean, like the Pod Save America guys, same thing.

01:16:03.800 Like, we're not going to do anything about the guns.

01:16:06.160 And therefore, you know, they're feeling the frustration that I think we're feeling.

01:16:11.020 But their entire game is to blame the gun.

01:16:15.620 Yeah, well, thank you, Megan, for having me.

01:16:17.420 And this is obviously another horrible tragedy that's taken place.

01:16:20.200 And I absolutely agree.

01:16:21.620 And by another coward who shouldn't be anywhere near these types of weapons.

01:16:28.500 But you're not going to be able to stop people from buying weapons or getting weapons.

01:16:34.460 So you really have to focus on the threat, right?

01:16:37.740 Stopping these threats.

01:16:38.820 And that's really why we developed Safer Watch.

01:16:41.620 We started the company after the Pulse nightclub shooting and really started focusing on schools after the Parkland shooting.

01:16:47.380 And to date, we've helped to stop and prevent 13 planned school shootings.

01:16:51.440 And that's all about proactive reporting that Chad mentioned, other people who mentioned, where those tips come into our platform.

01:16:58.080 We are connected with hundreds of law enforcement agencies across the country, where those tips, it's not just telling a teacher or telling a friend or telling someone.

01:17:06.920 These come into our platform.

01:17:08.820 They're documented.

01:17:09.860 They're recorded.

01:17:10.920 Law enforcement's able to analyze and take action on these.

01:17:13.520 And it holds people accountable.

01:17:15.140 And that's really what we're focused on is preventing these incidents from happening.

01:17:19.040 In the first place, I want to show you something, Chad, that we just found on his YouTube feed.

01:17:24.360 First of all, there's a picture he drew of the church.

01:17:28.700 Well, what looks like a church, I should say.

01:17:32.560 I don't know that it's the church, but it certainly looks like one.

01:17:36.540 And it's, I mean, it's chilling to see this.

01:17:39.560 He's pointing for the listening audience.

01:17:41.100 You see at the top of the page, this is all hand-drawn, what looks like an altar with a cross on top of it.

01:17:46.500 And then like a line depicting that it would be the altar's edge.

01:17:50.660 Then you see sort of the edge of it, and you see four long rows of pews.

01:17:57.060 He's pointed to something.

01:17:58.240 Forgive me, it's too far away for me to see what exactly he's written above where he's pointing.

01:18:04.600 But this looks very much like a church, Chad.

01:18:08.000 And he appears to have had his plan really clear between that and the where is your God

01:18:14.720 and the target practice with Jesus's picture in the middle.

01:18:17.840 Yeah, so obviously, Megan, the people that commit these attacks, there's this idea that it's just some person

01:18:26.860 that wakes up this morning, pours a cup of coffee and says, I'm going to go shoot it up.

01:18:29.740 No, they plan.

01:18:31.040 They want to outdo the previous shooter.

01:18:33.460 And so they're going to do their research.

01:18:35.040 We have seen how these manifestos are written and they study.

01:18:39.360 Look, there was a girl that was arrested last year that was planning an attack on her school

01:18:45.100 on the 25th anniversary of Columbine.

01:18:47.800 She wasn't even alive in 1996, or I think it was 96 when Columbine happened.

01:18:52.180 She wasn't even alive.

01:18:53.160 But her grandmother discovered these writings in her journal, and she stopped it before it even happened.

01:18:58.860 So yes, they do their research.

01:19:00.820 People who commit these attacks, it's going to be interesting throughout this investigation

01:19:04.240 in the coming couple hours.

01:19:06.380 Was there an association?

01:19:07.600 Did he grow up going to this church?

01:19:10.480 Did he go to school there growing up?

01:19:12.980 A lot of times there is some type of association.

01:19:16.860 But having systems in place like Gino was talking about, having layers of protection are great.

01:19:24.080 Key card access, reporting systems, panic bars, security guards, having layers of protection is great.

01:19:31.240 But we still have to be trained and we still have to have a plan.

01:19:34.140 In the most secured home in America, someone still tries to jump the fence once a week.

01:19:37.940 It doesn't end up well for them.

01:19:39.820 But having layers of protection is great.

01:19:41.740 But we also need to make sure we are being situationally aware, you know, staying off of our cell phones,

01:19:46.480 being aware of our surroundings.

01:19:48.120 And it's almost like the old, like we said earlier, the old, if you see something, say something.

01:19:52.860 But to go back earlier, Megan, what you said about the whole banning guns.

01:19:56.160 Here's the thing, guys.

01:19:57.460 Still, handguns are still the number one gun used in active shooter events.

01:20:01.320 And guess what?

01:20:02.080 You can ban all the guns.

01:20:03.260 If someone wants to commit a mass act of violence, they're going to do it.

01:20:06.300 We saw it in New Orleans.

01:20:07.800 We'll use a vehicle and run over a bunch of people.

01:20:09.820 We'll use knives.

01:20:11.140 But, you know, people talk about, oh, we don't have these events in Europe.

01:20:14.100 Yeah, I get it.

01:20:15.020 No shit.

01:20:15.520 That's because you don't have guns over there, but you have an increase of knife attacks over there.

01:20:20.020 So if someone wants to commit violence, they are going to do it.

01:20:22.360 Look what the Boston Marathon bombers did with the homemade bombs. 0.97

01:20:25.660 Exactly.

01:20:26.300 They're going to do it.

01:20:27.340 The other drawing that we have just pulled from his YouTube feed, he appears to have used some sort of a, it looks like some sort of a code language because the letters are recognizable, but they make no sense when strung together.

01:20:42.520 I don't understand, for example, there's, and actually some of the letters are, look foreign to me, like, like it's not a real letter, like it's more of a symbol.

01:20:50.780 For example, there's something that reads K-O-R-A-3, then a backward 3, then T-0, then 3-3-K-O-H-4 backward N.

01:21:01.400 I'm just pointing out to you, it's gibberish to the rest of us.

01:21:04.260 I don't know what this person's code was.

01:21:06.260 But underneath these writings is a hand-drawn picture of what appears to be him.

01:21:11.580 It's got the long hair, and he had long hair.

01:21:13.920 And he's got one of, he's got a rifle, like an AR-15 looking gun on his back, slung across his back, and he's looking at himself in the mirror.

01:21:22.940 And the reflection is a devil.

01:21:25.240 The reflection is a demon with multiple horns coming out of his head, four horns, two on each side.

01:21:32.500 And he looks evil.

01:21:34.100 He looks, he looks truly demonic.

01:21:37.740 It's a self-portrait, obviously.

01:21:39.880 And it's not a huge shock, Gino.

01:21:42.080 I mean, that's how he saw himself.

01:21:45.160 And the celebration of killing kids, he was excited to write down how he was going to get, he was going to get these kids looking forward to targeting them for the win.

01:21:55.580 That's one of the marks on his ammo, FTW.

01:22:00.300 We showed the ammo where he was specifically saying for the kids, he's, you know, humanity's overrated.

01:22:05.320 This is, this all could have been written by, we don't say the names of the shooters on the show, but it could have been written by the Sandy Hook shooter, in particular, who is completely depressed, saw himself as a demon.

01:22:16.940 And, and I mean, to way oversimplify it is, they are in the throes of a deep depression and madness, and they want others to hurt as well.

01:22:28.920 They want others, other lives are absolutely meaningless to them.

01:22:32.760 So they can't be persuaded.

01:22:34.440 They can't actually be therapized.

01:22:36.700 They need to be locked up.

01:22:38.000 And, and Megan, about 90% of these cases, there are known warning signs that, that do exist.

01:22:47.280 And it really comes down to what was reported, who was reported to, what actions were taken, right?

01:22:54.400 Because these tragedies, they can be prevented.

01:22:57.240 And if you go back to all the way back to the Pulse nightclub shooting, the coworker who worked with that individual knew that he was buying ammunition, knew that he was buying weapons, knew that he had a plan for something.

01:23:07.420 And never reported it to anyone.

01:23:09.880 And again, that's why these systems are in place to be able to easily report something, right?

01:23:15.020 You know, if, if you hear kind of after these tragedies, you're going to hear chiefs of police or sheriffs go on television and say, it's so important.

01:23:20.860 If you hear something, say something, report suspicious activity, call 911.

01:23:25.600 No one's going to call 911 about a potential concern that they have about someone.

01:23:30.440 So the more tools that we have available for people to easily share and report information, the better.

01:23:35.380 And the more likely we are to actually get ahead of this and prevent and stop these, these cowards and these mentally ill individuals from, from committing these acts of mass violence. 0.94

01:23:45.520 You know, can we spend a minute on the trans thing, Chad?

01:23:49.520 Because, you know, I, look, I don't mean to, not all people who have gender dysphoria are violent or are going to commit violence, but now we've seen it in a couple of cases. 0.80

01:23:58.880 You know, we saw it in Nashville, Tennessee, where it was a young girl who identified as male.

01:24:04.480 And now we see it here with this biological man who we are told now there's more reporting coming in that he identified as a woman.

01:24:14.640 Um, some reporting out there that he began identifying as trans as a minor, um, and the name was changed.

01:24:23.060 Again, we don't do names here, but from the male sounding name to a female sounding name, the hair is very long and feminine looking.

01:24:30.500 This is, I'm sorry, but this is going to happen more and more.

01:24:33.940 It's, there's a medical cocktail that these people get.

01:24:37.020 There's a system that affirms a delusional set of beliefs and there's an unwillingness within the mental health community to look at underlying mental health issues for these kids who are suffering.

01:24:53.160 I'm not calling this guy a kid, but I'm speaking generally now.

01:24:56.060 They just want to say affirm, affirm, affirm without addressing possible mental illness.

01:25:03.940 And here's the thing, Megan, there's no doubt.

01:25:07.680 Everyone that commits one of these attacks is in some type of mental crisis, everyone.

01:25:12.600 And so what you just said, the word I love, why are we coddling these people?

01:25:16.440 Why are we saying, you know, affirming them at the end of the day?

01:25:20.440 You're, you're born male or you were born female and that's what you're going to be the rest of your life. 0.90

01:25:24.820 So why is it?

01:25:25.940 I don't know where those balloons came from, um, but it's our beautiful computers.

01:25:30.360 Yeah.

01:25:31.220 Um, but, um, sorry, I got thrown off.

01:25:33.940 But again, it's time that we stop, you know, coddling this and affirming and, oh, no, we can't talk to them about their mental health because this is just who they are.

01:25:43.240 No, that's not true.

01:25:44.460 They need help.

01:25:45.760 We need to get the help immediately.

01:25:47.580 And honestly, this, the education system is backing these people where they're throwing it down our kids throat and affirming, you know, you can be in elementary school now and you walk in, you're not seeing the American flag and saying your prayer or having your moment of silence.

01:26:01.100 You're walking into classrooms that have pride flags and everything else in there.

01:26:06.200 Again, identify with whatever you want.

01:26:08.400 Don't start throwing it down my kid's face and don't start saying it's okay.

01:26:11.620 This is normal because it's not.

01:26:12.880 Yeah, Joe, I mean, it's like that'll be the last thing the left will willingly take on about this case.

01:26:20.700 Like I said, Joe Biden's FBI kept it secret in the case of the Nashville shooter for a year.

01:26:26.580 I mean, we were among the first to reveal large portions of what the FBI found.

01:26:31.480 We got that exclusively and brought it to the audience.

01:26:34.120 Steven Crowder did great reporting on it.

01:26:35.680 He had some exclusives early on, but there have been multiple cases now here.

01:26:40.780 My team is just sending me a couple here.

01:26:44.460 All right.

01:26:44.680 Colorado Springs shooter was non-binary in November 2022.

01:26:50.620 It was a gay nightclub.

01:26:52.360 Five people were killed.

01:26:53.880 The Nashville school shooter, I mentioned a trans, a so-called declared trans person where they shot multiple individuals, multiple children. 0.91

01:27:03.180 Uh, Aberdeen, uh, there was a shooter who was trans 2018, uh, went into Rite Aid and shot six coworkers.

01:27:13.300 Um, there are more Denver school shooter was trans 2019. 0.96

01:27:18.060 Um, they killed at least one person, one person, uh, in 2019 in the school and in the Denver area charter school.

01:27:25.220 There was one in Iowa where we believe it was the case, trans or gender fluid shooter went in and, uh, shot a sixth grader and a principal who were killed.

01:27:34.940 Like I could keep going.

01:27:36.160 And I will tell you, uh, the left and their entire capture of the medical system does not allow any inquiry into the mental illness that these people are suffering.

01:27:47.900 You're considered a bigot.

01:27:49.140 But if you say it's mental illness, Joe, yeah, you need to really call it what it is.

01:27:54.520 It is a mental illness.

01:27:55.700 The easiest way that is being preached to us from our governments is if you see something, say something like Chad said, if we don't know as law enforcement, we can't look at it.

01:28:05.820 There are telltale signs when we go through these investigations that there were, um, hints and dossiers and writings and pictures and all of these things.

01:28:16.820 But what's important is how did they get the gun?

01:28:19.640 When we start looking at all of that stuff, there are checks and balances in place that we already have.

01:28:24.720 We don't need to be focused on that.

01:28:27.020 We need to be focused on the people.

01:28:28.580 What is going on?

01:28:30.000 And you're right.

01:28:30.900 I'm called a bigot.

01:28:32.100 If I tell you that you're mentally ill,

01:28:34.340 I just need to say what needs to be said.

01:28:36.500 You couldn't even say that and keep your video up on YouTube up until recently.

01:28:40.780 If you said a trans person has a mental illness, they would demonetize you and possibly strike the entire video up until only very recently.

01:28:48.800 We're not allowed.

01:28:50.080 We haven't been allowed to have that conversation.

01:28:52.740 And that's given them power to do what they want to do.

01:28:55.960 They want to hurt us.

01:28:57.340 And this is how they do it.

01:28:58.780 They have a mental illness and no pill is going to fix that.

01:29:04.340 And when they just start shoving pills and they pound on each other, this is what happens.

01:29:09.500 So we need to look at what the underlying cause is.

01:29:12.320 Like Chad said, this is an illness.

01:29:14.960 This is an epidemic.

01:29:17.780 And it's not about the gun.

01:29:20.440 It's about the illness and somebody wanting to kill our most precious resource, which is our children.

01:29:26.880 Because you notice they didn't walk into a police station and do that.

01:29:30.920 I've never heard of that.

01:29:32.040 They don't walk onto a military base, generally speaking, to do that.

01:29:35.800 Because there are people there that can defend themselves.

01:29:38.200 So what do I do?

01:29:39.180 If I want to make a name for myself and be remembered like Butler, Pennsylvania, I'm going to go and I'm going to cause like this thing.

01:29:46.420 And then the media is going to report it and everybody will know my name.

01:29:49.720 I commend you, Megan, for not releasing the name because that just gives the next one more power.

01:29:55.980 They don't need to be remembered.

01:29:57.800 Who cares?

01:29:58.280 Who cares what his name is?

01:29:59.340 It's irrelevant.

01:30:00.200 Who gives?

01:30:01.020 I want to know the name of the children.

01:30:03.140 Yeah, exactly right.

01:30:04.280 We don't care what this person's name is.

01:30:05.940 We are not going to make this person famous or infamous at all.

01:30:09.700 This is a motivation.

01:30:10.960 We've seen Gavin DeBecker, his entire firm is devoted to trying to stop people from getting stalked and hurt.

01:30:16.500 And they're very against news organizations naming these shooters.

01:30:19.760 It doesn't take much not to do it.

01:30:21.700 Really, you're not losing anything by not hearing it.

01:30:23.660 I'm telling you what you need to know.

01:30:24.860 It was a male name.

01:30:25.960 Apparently, according to Nick Sorter, who tweeted out the paperwork on X, there's legal paperwork showing that he changed it from that male name to like a very similar sounding female name.

01:30:36.500 And, you know, he's obviously suffering with this ideology like so many of these others were.

01:30:42.480 I'm going to show you something else that we've pulled from the YouTube page.

01:30:45.980 It does not show him, so I wouldn't be breaking my rule.

01:30:50.160 But it does show this guy scrolling through his notebook, which we've been showing you pictures of.

01:30:56.400 And for the listening audience, you are going to see these church pew images.

01:31:00.660 And then he knifes the book.

01:31:03.480 Watch.

01:31:03.620 Catches y'all up to anything else they wrote.

01:31:09.460 So he can picture himself as a demon.

01:31:12.500 Oh, you stupid ass bitch. 1.00

01:31:15.140 You corny motherfucker.

01:31:18.380 Ha ha.

01:31:19.300 Nice.

01:31:21.580 This is the church pews pointing.

01:31:32.540 Oh, God.

01:31:34.500 It's a knife.

01:31:35.380 Kill myself.

01:31:38.180 Myself.

01:31:39.140 Myself.

01:31:41.940 You can hear him saying, kill myself, which he also did.

01:31:45.800 The fact that this guy was roaming around, Chad, among us.

01:31:51.320 I don't know.

01:31:52.560 It's, you can't catch them all.

01:31:54.240 It's a big country.

01:31:55.140 But you and I both know there's going to be people who knew.

01:31:59.180 There's no doubt.

01:32:01.100 Go ahead, Chad.

01:32:02.740 Yeah, there's no doubt at all.

01:32:04.700 Do you have any, Megan?

01:32:06.260 I've got just your name, but I can hear you.

01:32:09.120 So keep going.

01:32:11.380 Something's going on.

01:32:12.240 So, you know, someone's going to come out within the next 30 minutes.

01:32:16.900 And look, we saw this at the San Bernardino shooting.

01:32:20.820 Remember the Apple iPhone case where the husband and wife pair went to their company Christmas party and shot it up.

01:32:25.540 And they interviewed neighbors after the event.

01:32:28.520 And what they said was this.

01:32:30.400 I knew something was up with them.

01:32:32.080 They had U-Haul trucks backing up.

01:32:35.760 They were working on things in the middle of the night in their garage.

01:32:38.960 Their actions were not the same as everyone else's in the neighborhoods.

01:32:42.780 And the news anchor said, did you say anything?

01:32:45.020 Why didn't you report this?

01:32:46.100 And you know what they said?

01:32:47.880 The people who committed this attack were from a different country, spoke a different language, had a different skin tone.

01:32:53.720 And I did not want to be labeled as a racist.

01:32:56.360 It wasn't their religion or where they were from that was concerning.

01:33:01.200 It was their actions.

01:33:02.080 That's what was concerning.

01:33:04.380 So, again, we've got to get away from that and realize, you know, where we are as a society.

01:33:11.020 You know, when we started this company, my goal was to be out of business one day.

01:33:14.820 And I'm sure Gino and Joe would say the same thing.

01:33:18.380 Yeah, I'm a very select few of people that want to be out of business because these events stop happening.

01:33:23.760 That's not the case.

01:33:25.180 Again, we have to stop coddling to these people and stop cradling and being so sensitive.

01:33:30.620 So, call it what it is, this is a maniac, and we have to do a better job as a society.

01:33:35.580 And thank you, Megan, for stepping up.

01:33:38.340 We can't get through to them, Gino. 0.99

01:33:39.980 I am not assuming bad faith from the people on the left.

01:33:45.780 I'm actually really not.

01:33:46.820 I think on this issue, as Americans, we really are united.

01:33:49.360 We all want it to stop.

01:33:50.780 I think the left very much wants it to stop, and I think the right very much wants it to stop.

01:33:54.600 We're just diametrically opposed in what we think the solution is.

01:33:58.020 And, you know, like Gavin Newsom just tweeted out,

01:34:00.300 we cannot even make it through the first week of school without mass shootings.

01:34:03.320 Everyone believes that.

01:34:04.340 Everyone is also disgusted and exasperated at that.

01:34:07.320 We share in his frustration and lament.

01:34:10.280 And then he says, and the GOP will continue to do absolutely nothing while our kids are being gunned down.

01:34:15.020 This is sick.

01:34:16.080 And I believe I share that exact sentiment if you replace GOP with Dems.

01:34:20.720 I mean, I feel exactly as he does, except I see his party as the at the core of the problem because they won't.

01:34:28.280 His side will only deal with guns.

01:34:30.700 They will only talk about guns in the wake of this.

01:34:33.500 They won't talk about the trans ideology and what the medical profession will and won't do when they encounter somebody who says they're suffering from gender ideology problems.

01:34:40.740 They won't deal with mental illness.

01:34:42.620 They won't deal with institutionalization.

01:34:44.720 They won't look at Trump's order, executive order, trying to make it easier to institutionalize someone who's having a serious mental health problem without having to go through 25 different steps to get them there.

01:34:57.440 They'll just say he's an authoritarian fascist, whereas there are people who do need to be locked up.

01:35:03.000 And this one's for you, Gino, because I've interviewed and I played this for our audience not long ago.

01:35:07.500 I've interviewed moms who say, I know I'm raising the next sociopath.

01:35:11.560 I know my son or daughter, they'll say, is a sociopath.

01:35:15.860 They killed the family cat.

01:35:17.080 They tortured the family hamster, like terrible stuff.

01:35:20.800 And what they all said to me, Gino, was there's no place for me to go.

01:35:25.780 No, I unless they break a law and I put them in the criminal justice system where they get arrested, which no loving parent wants. 0.99

01:35:34.420 There's no place that will take them.

01:35:36.440 Most therapists will say, I can't therapize your your child out of sociopathy.

01:35:40.760 Most facilities won't take them because they realize that this is a lost cause, too.

01:35:44.940 So in my my own solution for whatever it's worth for all these years has been we need a facility to which a loving parent or neighbor or even caring judge would willingly send the next school shooter who hasn't yet committed the crime.

01:35:59.260 So we were a little in the minority report field where you're in advance of the crime.

01:36:04.140 There's a sort of a punishment, if you will.

01:36:06.400 But it's to protect other people's civil liberties based on evidence, based on evidence of a mental break.

01:36:12.520 So far, the only facility that we have in the United States that anybody has pointed out to me is in Michigan.

01:36:17.260 It's called Nemours.

01:36:18.640 And that's the only one.

01:36:20.020 And with all due respect to that institution, it said not to be all that great.

01:36:22.900 We need money to build a new facility that would be half prison.

01:36:28.700 Yes, I'm just going to say it in half mental health institution.

01:36:32.340 But the point is, the person would not have their freedom and the rest of our children could live.

01:36:37.360 It's not a solve all.

01:36:39.680 But we need more of these and less of these knee jerk ban the guns, meaningless, senseless waste of time convos.

01:36:47.520 Yeah, Megan, we do need more resources focused on prevention, right?

01:36:54.100 We know these threats are out there.

01:36:57.400 As you just mentioned, even the own parents know these warning signs, right?

01:37:04.140 And that's really why we develop SaferWatch, to give people a way to easily report information directly.

01:37:10.500 And that information goes to law enforcement.

01:37:12.380 It goes to mental health support as well, because a lot of times we need to take additional steps prior to the crisis, right?

01:37:22.660 They talk about this left of bang, right, situations.

01:37:26.740 When you are able to report something easily and you're able to report something sometimes anonymously,

01:37:32.960 that information ultimately ends up resulting in an investigation.

01:37:36.440 And then the great work that law enforcement does behind the scenes, they're doing this 24-7.

01:37:43.480 We get tips and threats that come into our platform every single day from just like that video you showed on YouTube

01:37:49.640 that highlights different threats and different concerns.

01:37:54.180 This content is out there.

01:37:55.860 People are sharing these threats.

01:37:57.840 People are sharing their sick views.

01:38:00.660 And more needs to be done to get ahead of this.

01:38:03.620 More resources need to be spent on prevention.

01:38:06.560 Obviously, the hardening of the schools, the training, the technology to be in place when these active assailants happen is also critical,

01:38:14.280 because you're not going to be able to stop them all.

01:38:16.260 So we clearly have to be prepared for these situations.

01:38:19.660 But at the same time, how many more shootings do we need?

01:38:22.700 We know this is taking place.

01:38:24.700 We need more attention and more resources focused on prevention.

01:38:27.900 What's the number one thing you would need?

01:38:30.320 Like, Gino, if President Trump said to you, Gino, I want you to solve this problem,

01:38:34.500 what was the number one thing you would tell him you need?

01:38:37.380 Well, there's systems that are in place today where when there is a threat that's reported,

01:38:43.460 essentially what we do is we start tracking the behavior, right?

01:38:47.040 Like the behavioral threat assessments that are being taken place.

01:38:49.940 So when those early warning signs are coming in, what you do is you ultimately have to track those behaviors.

01:38:55.860 And you have to track those individuals and you have to track not just in that moment, but over time.

01:39:00.920 And it's a combination between parents.

01:39:03.540 It's a combination between SROs, mental health professionals, people in the community.

01:39:09.140 And all of that goes into a database.

01:39:11.200 And they're able to track the behaviors of this individual.

01:39:13.540 Not everyone's a bad person.

01:39:14.760 But when they do start sharing these obvious signs, these obvious warning signs, they do need to be tracked.

01:39:22.320 Let me tell you something.

01:39:22.880 They need to be followed up on.

01:39:23.540 I, as a public figure, who do come under threat from time to time as part of the job, sadly, I have a security team.

01:39:29.380 And they monitor all my social media and mailings that we receive, et cetera.

01:39:33.740 And they do what you're doing right now, for me, without even telling me about it.

01:39:38.260 They only elevate it to my level if it's necessary, you know, if I actually do need to know.

01:39:43.160 There's a specific individual.

01:39:44.600 But there are, unfortunately, a bunch of people they track because they've saber-rattled, they've gotten a little odd, they've gotten disturbingly odd.

01:39:53.000 And they do exactly what you're saying, and I pay for that service, right?

01:39:57.560 And it's a very worthwhile service for me.

01:39:59.260 But what you're saying is your organization does this for everyone, for kids, for schools, as so long as people call in the threat.

01:40:08.260 Like someone's got, you know, I have people proactively monitoring my stuff for these threats.

01:40:12.400 But you need to be told.

01:40:14.120 Someone's got to call your organization.

01:40:15.700 And then you take it on the same way my security team takes it on.

01:40:19.700 Exactly.

01:40:20.140 And we also provide the software and the tools for the professionals to actually track and provide additional information to these systems.

01:40:27.980 So it's not just a matter of a one-time reporting.

01:40:30.320 It's actually following the behavior, following if the person has, you know, not shown up to school, their grades have failed, et cetera, et cetera.

01:40:39.040 There's a whole long list of different things that go into potential threats and potential change in behavior that the FBI teach and Secret Service teach

01:40:48.080 in terms of certain threat prevention methods.

01:40:51.180 But yes, when people show these early warning signs and say threatening things, make drawings of churches and have knives that are stabbing the pages,

01:41:01.540 these things need to be paid attention to.

01:41:03.300 And not just paid attention to, but they need to be followed over time.

01:41:06.200 And these incidents can be prevented.

01:41:09.340 We've actually helped to stop and prevent it.

01:41:10.760 Can you give me the way people can contact your organization?

01:41:13.780 Because I guarantee you there are people listening right now who have somebody in mind potentially.

01:41:16.680 So if you go to our website, saferwatchapp.com, or you can download the Safer Watch app, you can actually report anywhere in the United States.

01:41:23.480 You can report for free, download our application.

01:41:25.900 You can report a tip.

01:41:27.040 Did you say saferwatchout.com?

01:41:30.340 Saferwatchapp.com.

01:41:32.480 Saferwatchapp.com.

01:41:33.440 Or you can download it on iOS or Android.

01:41:36.300 You can download it for free.

01:41:37.880 And there's different categories where you can go in.

01:41:40.160 It's everything from a school shooting threat to concerning behavior to mental health concerns.

01:41:45.280 And you can report that information on there.

01:41:47.580 And ultimately, that does get to the local law enforcement agencies and gets routed to the correct professionals.

01:41:52.300 And it's all documented.

01:41:52.540 Can you do it anonymously if you don't want to put your name?

01:41:55.700 Okay, that's great because a lot of people don't want to put their name with it.

01:41:58.000 I saw you shaking your head yes in response to a lot of what you said, Chad.

01:42:00.800 Oh, I totally agree.

01:42:03.600 You know, and with that, as we're looking at the training for schools, we've got to get out of this, like, check the box training, right?

01:42:10.720 And saying, yeah, our teachers get a seven-minute video at the beginning of the year.

01:42:13.960 They're good to go.

01:42:15.420 Seven minutes does not prepare you.

01:42:17.560 A seven-minute, 25-minute video does not prepare you for the worst-case scenario.

01:42:22.620 And Gino and Joe have both said this.

01:42:25.400 We've got to start by training our teachers and, you know, students.

01:42:29.340 How do we recognize the early warning signs?

01:42:32.280 What are our response options?

01:42:34.680 And then how do we stop massive bleeding?

01:42:36.760 Upward of 60% of the fatalities and active shooter events would be alive today if someone in the school or the workplace knew how to stop their bleeding.

01:42:44.580 So having your teachers trained, having bleeding control kits on site is huge.

01:42:50.220 But it's time we start investing into the lives of our teachers and not just saying, you know, listen, Megan, they do fire drills once a month in schools.

01:42:59.660 You want to know the last time a kid was killed in a school fire?

01:43:01.840 It was 1956, I believe.

01:43:04.180 So, you know, it's time we start investing into the lives of our, you know, our faculty and our most precious, those students.

01:43:10.520 Guys, thank you.

01:43:12.380 Chad, Joe, Gino, really appreciate you guys joining us on this afternoon.

01:43:16.860 What a day.

01:43:17.560 All the best to you.

01:43:18.400 Yeah.

01:43:19.160 Thank you, Megan.

01:43:19.500 Thank you for having me, Megan.

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Horrifying Catholic School Shooting in Minneapolis - What We're Learning About Victims and Perpetrator

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