The Megyn Kelly Show - Horrifying CNN Celebration of Luigi, Sanchez in Space, and Maher's White House Trip, with Walter Kirn and Matt Taibbi ｜ Ep. 1048

00:00:00.520 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:12.060 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Monday and happy birthday, Yardley.

00:00:18.480 My daughter turns 14 today. All you moms and dads out there know it seems like yesterday,

00:00:24.840 you know, it's so crazy how in a blink of an eye, 14 years go by and soon it'll be 18 and then

00:00:31.820 they tell me she might leave me, though I'm in denial about that fact for my daughter and my

00:00:36.140 two sons. Anyway, happy birthday, sweetheart. It was a very busy weekend. President Donald Trump

00:00:42.200 was getting standing ovations at the UFC event on Saturday, mingling with Shaq. That was quite a

00:00:48.380 sight. Joe Rogan and more. Bernie Sanders and AOC, they were back out on their fighting the

00:00:55.120 oligarchy tour. You know, the one that she's been flying first class to and from. You know, 0.92

00:01:01.260 oligarchy for me, but not for thee is really what she's saying. And then this morning, a bunch of 1.00

00:01:07.840 ladies celebrated female empowerment by putting on sexy fake astronaut suits and going up into sort 1.00

00:01:15.140 of outer space for 11 minutes through all of the engineering and mathematical wizardry and physics

00:01:19.960 wizardry of a bunch of people who didn't get any credit and were behind some control room panel.

00:01:25.900 I guess we're supposed to believe that like Gail King is an astronaut now. 0.99

00:01:30.740 We're supposed to be celebrating them. Somehow it's supposed to be empowering because not enough

00:01:34.660 women have gone up into space. What we mean is not enough are astronauts. Not enough women are 1.00

00:01:40.280 astronauts. That's what we mean. We don't mean please put Gail King in yet another opportunity 0.66

00:01:48.000 for her to try to act like a star while she's next to Oprah, who also was there. Of course, 1.00

00:01:54.500 she didn't get to go up, but she stood there on the sidelines. I don't, I don't feel empowered.

00:02:00.280 This is like another it's it's female White House press corps day at the White House. Remember I told 1.00

00:02:06.920 you this during Obama. They were like, it's it's female empowerment day or whatever. And they,

00:02:11.400 and they invited a bunch of women, including yours truly and some people from Fox to go over there and 0.61

00:02:15.000 interview the president. And I was like, no, it's a no. You can, I'll go over when I'm getting asked

00:02:20.000 there because I'm worthy as a journalist period, not journalist with a vagina. Okay. I don't really 0.99

00:02:28.140 want to be celebrated for that at all by anyone who doesn't know me. And I just feel uncomfortable

00:02:34.400 about this. Like why, if they had been six astronauts going up there, then yes. Okay.

00:02:41.000 What did they do? The one gal is engaged to a billionaire and these are a bunch of celebrities. 1.00

00:02:46.980 She wanted to befriend. Okay. Of course, Lauren chance has whatever her name had to show off her 1.00

00:02:54.580 tits. Okay. It's a little early in the hour to be dropping the T word, her breasts in her little 1.00

00:03:00.300 fake astronaut outfit because you know, what's the day if we don't get to see the girls on Lauren 1.00

00:03:05.160 Sanchez. It's not as offensive as showing them at the presidential inauguration, but I think it's

00:03:10.500 a little off message. Isn't it a little off message? We're going to get into all the big stories

00:03:15.540 today. Joining me now for the full show, Matt Taibbi, editor of racket news on Substack and Walter

00:03:20.540 Kern. He's editor at large for County highway, which I like County highway together. They host the

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00:04:25.860 right now. Guys, welcome back to the show. Thanks for having us on. Great to be here.

00:04:32.720 I mean, nothing says female empowerment, like getting this opportunity to go to outer space and 0.92

00:04:36.640 making sure everyone can see your breasts. I think it's, it's important as they beam this woman into 1.00

00:04:43.800 outer space that we answer the question, but what do her breasts look like? Am I wrong? 1.00

00:04:49.380 Lifted. I hear there's no gravity in space. Space is the cosmic bra. Um, that Katy Perry needs to be 1.00

00:05:01.480 further empowered bothers me. She's already got about a billion dollars and, you know, short of 0.99

00:05:06.360 Taylor Swift is the most famous pop star and female pop star in the world. Um, that she needs empowerment 0.99

00:05:13.300 says something sad about women because it means that even with a billion dollars, they still need 1.00

00:05:18.280 a boost, uh, from the space program or, or Jeff Bezos is private space program, but they were all

00:05:24.840 oligarchs. Let's remember they were oligarchs in space. And, uh, so, uh, they're trying to have their 1.00

00:05:31.140 cake and eat it too. I'm on the left, I guess, if that's exactly, that's the left.

00:05:36.000 Perry was quoted as saying, we're putting the ass in astronauts. Okay. All right. You go girl. 1.00

00:05:44.400 This is so, this is why she needs empowering because she keeps revealing her stupidity like 1.00

00:05:49.760 that. And we have to boost her back. It's so cringy. I'm sorry, but I've like, I, why are you 1.00

00:05:56.000 don't show your boobs? Don't talk about your ass. Don't get your specially made space suit so that we 1.00

00:06:02.620 can make sure to see all your curves as you go to outer space. Is that what it is to be a woman? 1.00

00:06:08.200 Just show off as much sex appeal, ass and boob as you can. I don't, Matt, I, I'm not sure I didn't 1.00

00:06:15.660 catch that page in the female handbook. Yeah. Uh, I'm a little bit confused about the political 1.00

00:06:22.940 meaning of toplessness now. Um, you know, we, we saw there was that demonstration in Paris where all,

00:06:30.920 all of the, uh, demonstrators were topless and I wasn't sure whether I was supposed to look,

00:06:38.200 not look, look furtively. Um, also, uh, what exactly the meaning of that was supposed to be?

00:06:46.940 Was it supposed to be erotic, de-eroticizing? Um, I, yeah, it's, it's a very strange message now.

00:06:54.020 It, it's, I think it's supposed to be something about empowerment, but it comes across as mostly

00:06:59.580 confusing to me. So, uh, I don't know. They dropped the movie hidden figures years ago. Right. And

00:07:07.840 that's a great movie about women who are behind the scenes. I don't know how true it is, but it's a

00:07:13.120 great movie. And, uh, it's women who are behind the scenes at NASA and contributed to the space 1.00

00:07:17.540 program. Okay. That I get, what did these women do? Like, honestly, one is sleeping with a 1.00

00:07:23.900 billionaire who created this program and is jetting people. I'm into outer space for like

00:07:30.080 10 minutes, you know, for as long as like your average YouTube video takes. And they came back

00:07:36.000 and they're like, everything's changed. Is it? I don't. Okay. They had nothing to do with any of

00:07:42.960 the engineering. There's basically, they're just looking for famous faces who could draw attention

00:07:47.300 to Jeff Bezos, his weird little rocket. His first little rocket looks exactly like a penis. 0.99

00:07:53.860 Exactly. The guy's working something out. I think he's like working out his sexual fantasies on us. 0.99

00:07:58.400 And this one looks exactly like a breast with the nipple on the top. Look at this one. I'm sorry, 0.99

00:08:03.180 gentlemen, you know exactly what that looks like. Everyone does. And now look at this one. It's like

00:08:08.660 a, I guess you could say igloo. If you wanted to be charitable to me, it looks like a breast above 0.95

00:08:12.900 from above. It really looks like a breast with a nipple. Walter. It's a little glans-like.

00:08:19.680 It's glans-like. It is. I was in terror that we were going to have another space shuttle disaster

00:08:25.020 and that we were going to have to mourn these people for maybe the next 700 years. They did add

00:08:32.320 to the space program something that it hasn't had, which is the red carpet and the sort of fashion

00:08:38.840 critique at the beginning. So it was a combination of the MTV music awards, the Oscars, and the Apollo

00:08:44.860 program. I thought it was condescending. I think that's what you're getting at. It was belittling

00:08:52.740 to women and they belittled women with their behavior and their, I don't know, antics, I would 1.00

00:08:59.160 call them. I was under the impression that most astronauts were basically mostly women 1.00

00:09:08.940 or at least half women now. I didn't know. They probably are. Yeah. I didn't, there was 0.97

00:09:15.740 nothing. Was that part of their critique that there aren't enough? Yes. Yes. Really? Because

00:09:22.260 it seems like there are quite a lot of female astronauts. I know. Lauren Sanchez is saying 0.98

00:09:27.100 like, I don't know, they're crossing some new frontier for women. Here she was in her post 0.99

00:09:32.720 flight interview. Let's hear how she enjoyed it. Earth looked so, it was so quiet. It was

00:09:42.300 just quiet. And is it what you expected? No, no. Better? I don't think you can describe

00:09:53.060 it. Um, cause you know what I was saying? It was like, um, quiet, but then also that's

00:09:59.620 cause you were inside a space capsule and you look at it and you're like, we're all in this

00:10:04.880 together. Seen Jeff before I left, but I just went like, you know, I had to come back. I

00:10:12.060 mean, we're getting married. If I didn't come back, I would be, that would be, that would

00:10:16.860 be a bummer for me. Only you, by the way, would say this to me. You said, Jeff, if he, if

00:10:21.800 you don't want to marry me, you don't have to send me to space. I I'm sorry. We're watching

00:10:29.400 this woman. She was a news anchor like a 10 years ago. Then she married the head of CAA 0.99

00:10:34.300 and then she reportedly cheated on him with Jeff Bezos and moved on to Jeff Bezos. And 0.99

00:10:40.620 now we're supposed to celebrate her crossing new barriers for women, meaning boinking a 1.00

00:10:46.520 billionaire and getting a free ticket to space for 11 minutes. It was flat, but

00:10:52.360 quiet. These profundities Walter, I hold a buckle up. You know, I, I actually met a

00:10:58.560 female astronaut once who was on the space shuttle and had quite an interesting 1.00

00:11:01.880 conversation with her and, and real astronauts are extremely intelligent scientists who've

00:11:06.560 been tested to the limits of their physical and mental fitness. But this was really not

00:11:11.480 women in space. It was stupid people in space. These were, this was the lowest IQ space crew 1.00

00:11:17.360 that has ever been launched from earth. Um, and, uh, she didn't even have the wit to have 1.00

00:11:23.520 some writer give her lines for when she got back. She tried to make them up. It was so quiet.

00:11:28.580 Yeah. You were in a soundproof space capsule, lady.

00:11:31.460 Yeah. It was, it was a little far out space nuts a little bit on that front. Can you just watch

00:11:40.620 here? Here are the women dramatically exiting the nipple shaped space capsule watch. 0.99

00:11:48.460 There's the billionaire. See, honey, see what I got you for Christmas.

00:11:58.900 She hasn't been away that long, dude. It was 10 minutes.

00:12:01.740 I know, literally.

00:12:03.820 They're treating her like she was in Nam. Where are my babies? My babies, like she,

00:12:08.620 she was almost dead. Here's Katy Perry. Kisses the ground. Right, right. You were in such danger.

00:12:15.060 Oh, Gail King. Thanking God. And by that, I mean, Oprah without whom she'd have no career.

00:12:23.280 She too. Okay. Kisses the ground. Somebody already, you should be kissing Oprah. Oprah's 0.99

00:12:27.480 there. Kiss Oprah. That's she's worth far more to you than, than the ground. Thank you, Jesus.

00:12:33.560 She's, I mean, truly it's like they're right back from Nam. What did they do? They got in their special 0.86

00:12:39.260 Oscar de la Renta designed suits laid down in a capsule and came back in 10 minutes. You guys.

00:12:48.560 That was one small step for womankind, one giant leap backwards for mankind, as far as I can see. 1.00

00:12:56.680 Or one giant step forward for reality shows.

00:13:00.200 Yeah, that's true.

00:13:01.320 It could be, it could be a great concept. Like, you know, dumb celebrities in space. I would watch 0.99

00:13:08.700 that. Wasn't there like at least a little part of you that was hoping they'd get on tethered? You

00:13:13.480 know, just like, I didn't want them to like die, but maybe just be out there for a while. So we can

00:13:18.100 have a break from all this nonsense, especially from Lauren Sanchez. I it's like, why are we pretending

00:13:23.700 she's done anything? She, she is with Jeff Bezos. That's literally why we know her name. And again,

00:13:31.140 it was all over the tabloids. Like they got together through an extramarital. All right,

00:13:35.300 fine. People fall out of love, but like, why are we celebrating this? Like, Oh, the love affair.

00:13:39.780 They're going to have this bazillion dollar wedding ceremony. And you can tell exactly who they're

00:13:45.780 trying to like cozy up to. They were either on the nipple shaped space capsule or they run cover for

00:13:51.980 them in the press, but it's because we have this obsession with money, right? With like what looks

00:13:59.240 like achievement. And Jeff Bezos is obviously very, very accomplished. But to me, it's like,

00:14:05.200 I don't know, Matt, you and I've talked about this before. Like as a journalist, the more people fawn

00:14:11.140 over somebody like Bezos and this, the more I, I want to run the other direction, right? It's like my

00:14:17.180 reportorial instincts are, ew, I, they're forming clubs again. And I don't want to be a member of

00:14:23.600 any of them. Yeah. The more supplicating that goes on, the more uncomfortable you usually get.

00:14:30.440 Uh, and there was a lot of that in this one. I guess they, they did prove that Botox survives

00:14:36.820 re-entry into the atmosphere.

00:14:38.440 It's good to know. Oh, I thought you said rear entry, which has already been proven. Okay.

00:14:43.940 They are astronauts.

00:14:44.860 It's only 13 minutes after what's happening. Walter, you've lost control of this show.

00:14:49.880 Yeah, I have. Um, why don't they send somebody into space who can actually come back and describe

00:14:55.080 it? Well, you know, not just a journalist, but a poet or something. I mean, uh, they went to space

00:15:01.940 and we'd have no idea what it was like, except that it was very quiet. Uh, it was like big and stuff.

00:15:08.440 Maybe Katie will write a song about it, you know? Um, but, uh, I, yeah, I, that was a nullity. That

00:15:18.400 was a, uh, publicity stunt that probably cost more money than any in history. Um, the Elon envy from

00:15:25.220 Jeff Bezos is just absolutely, you know, conspicuous, uh, Elon will get supermodels and a poet or

00:15:34.200 something interesting for a crew. This was terrible. Here is, um, my team just sent me the side-by-side

00:15:42.300 2021 blue origin versus now, which I think was the first flight. There's, uh, there's Bezos and

00:15:49.720 the cowboy hat and three others. And now here's the ladies of the new blue origin on the right

00:15:56.100 with their sexy, like, it looks like something that remember that original Jennifer Garner movie

00:16:03.340 that made her a star where she was like the spy climbing over like the lights, the beams of light.

00:16:07.900 And so it looks like something our spies might need to wear. Um, and really it's just Lauren

00:16:13.720 Sanchez gave this long interview about why they wore this tight outfit over here on the right. Here

00:16:19.040 it is. It's not 31. Watch this. From her Instagram. She's bowing. Well, they're comfortable.

00:16:35.580 Okay. That's for sure. They're comfortable. Again, she went to Oscar de la renta's people

00:16:43.080 and she rejected just so, you know, I know Matt, you were wondering, she rejected pockets on the hips

00:16:48.880 because they didn't want to look too, too hippie. And, and then they had zippers put on the bottom

00:16:55.100 of the pants so that she could go flare or not depending on each woman's preference. Um, and 0.90

00:17:02.580 for all that, what did we get? We, yeah, we got, it was like quiet, but also alive. Yeah. You know

00:17:12.140 what I'm saying? I don't think you can describe it because like, you know what I'm saying? Like quiet,

00:17:18.040 quiet, but then also really like alive. And then the takeaway, we're all in this together.

00:17:26.940 No, we aren't. I didn't get to go. You didn't get to go. Matt didn't get to go 99 and 99% of the

00:17:35.000 people who ever lived didn't get to go. They chose these airheads, bring it, send a kid into space,

00:17:40.460 like an eight year old kid who will actually be thrilled and impressed and come back and tell us

00:17:44.980 something. Um, this, this, this girl is so, this Sanchez is so spoiled that even going into space 1.00

00:17:51.080 didn't impress her, you know? Oh God. Very, very little. Well, and when you're married to Jeff

00:17:56.580 Bezos and you could literally afford to buy it and sell everyone in America's family, but I suppose

00:18:01.280 we're, we're supposed to celebrate her. That's what we're supposed to do. We're supposed to celebrate

00:18:04.040 her because accomplishment. She bagged the billionaire after banging the billionaire after 0.99

00:18:09.720 allegedly cheating, at least according to what I read in the national inquirer. Uh, but there was

00:18:14.960 a whole lawsuit about it where she accused, they said maybe her brother had sold pictures of text

00:18:19.100 messages between the two of them. Then he claimed he'd been like falsely attacked by can't remember

00:18:24.620 who he blamed it on a foreign government. Anyway, it was a big scandal. Enough of them. Now in other

00:18:30.800 news about deplorable people, some absolute lunatic fire bombed the Pennsylvania governor's mansion 0.81

00:18:40.560 where Josh Shapiro and his wife and their children were sleeping. This guy goes in there at two in the

00:18:47.940 morning. I have to say it wasn't exactly, exactly like a Jack Bauer entry. It seems like no one really

00:18:55.760 tried to stop him. I don't know what the story is on the governor's security, but I'm underwhelmed

00:19:00.600 that he managed to break the window, get into the governor's mansion and start dropping Molotov

00:19:06.580 cocktails. And then apparently it took them a while to actually track him down. That's a separate

00:19:11.580 matter. Look at the devastation inside the mansion. Um, you could hear governor Shapiro came out after

00:19:19.300 the fact and you could tell he, he was somewhat rattled. Here he is sought 21 last night. We experienced

00:19:27.640 an attack, not just on our family, but on the entire Commonwealth of Pennsylvania here at the

00:19:34.300 governor's residence. I spoke a couple hours ago with director Kash Patel of the FBI. He promised all

00:19:41.580 of the resources of the federal government. He was extremely kind and courteous and thoughtful

00:19:47.480 in his conversation with me. And I thanked him and the women and men of the FBI and the president

00:19:55.060 of the United States for their support. Lori and I are

00:19:59.460 Lori and I are overwhelmed by the prayers

00:20:14.480 and the messages of support that we've received from all across Pennsylvania and all across the United

00:20:24.080 States. Wow. Uh, I, I feel for him. He's got four young kids. I mean, they, they came pretty close

00:20:32.340 to being killed, uh, this, this evening. It, and it was by some 38 year old guy reportedly, uh, Cody

00:20:41.060 Bomber is his name. He's now charged with attempted murder, terrorism, aggravated arson. Look at this.

00:20:48.020 This is reminding me of like the Notre Dame cathedral shots we saw after it burned, um, aggravated arson,

00:20:53.660 he may also face federal charges. Still. This, um, man, Bomber is a father of at least five,

00:21:02.040 four sons and a daughter, according to a 2020 Facebook post, um, unconfirmed information on

00:21:08.400 Bomber. Someone found an old Facebook post from him purportedly from him. These things come out

00:21:12.960 in the days after, and then they sometimes turn out not to be true as a, as an asterisk here, but

00:21:18.220 his, uh, Facebook post, we believe says, uh, he's a registered socialist voting records,

00:21:23.600 shows nonpartisan, unaffiliated voter, social media post show. He supported black lives matter,

00:21:28.720 universal healthcare as a right, criticized MAGA supporters, Christians, and the second amendment

00:21:33.260 was also anti Biden, um, had a post that read knowing is half the battle. The other half is

00:21:39.380 extreme violence, shared posts supporting mask mandates during COVID rants, slamming toxic femininity,

00:21:46.200 complained about gas prices, supported Kanye press, Kanye West's presidential run,

00:21:51.580 et cetera. I mean, it sounds like this guy started deteriorating. And then the New York post reports

00:21:58.560 that his Harrisburg, Pennsylvania property was subject to a foreclosure. And he was facing that

00:22:04.500 the sale was about to go ahead and had obvious serious resentments for governor Josh Shapiro, a Democrat

00:22:10.900 and his wife, Lori, and their four children, two dogs, and another family who lived there. No injuries.

00:22:15.120 I should have mentioned that up higher. Um, one last thing he was, he acted quickly. He got into

00:22:21.380 the home. Uh, he was there for less than a minute and, um, the break in and setting of the fire happened

00:22:27.620 while the troopers were looking for him. The officials believe he did have a plan noting how quickly he was

00:22:32.520 in and out of the residence and calling him methodical in his approach. He exited the property the same

00:22:37.380 way he entered it over the fence. So what do we make of this? Is this a political story? Is this a

00:22:44.340 random nutcase story? What, what is this story guys? Walter? Well, Democrats are going to have to be

00:22:55.960 careful because, uh, I don't know how they distinguish between different sorts of violence

00:23:01.580 and political violence anymore. You know, if he'd been in a Tesla or just gotten out of one, it would

00:23:08.020 have been thought to be maybe, uh, um, commendable that someone had firebombed it. If he were Luigi and he

00:23:15.100 were good looking and it actually succeeded in killing someone, he might've been celebrated by Taylor

00:23:22.200 Lorenz and people like that. As it is, he's not a very attractive or a very sane human being. And he nearly

00:23:29.420 killed children and, uh, there's nothing to do with them, but you know, throw away the key, but we're

00:23:35.940 starting to get into a world of, uh, blurred lines around violence. And, uh, as much as I am horrified

00:23:46.440 by this, and I really do feel bad for those kids. They're, they're going to be genuinely traumatized and

00:23:51.620 scared, especially because their father has ambitions in politics. But, but let's lay off the violence

00:23:58.580 across the board or at least lay off the, uh, fandom around certain kinds of it.

00:24:05.560 Yeah. The, um, uh, the free beacons, Peter Hassan tweeted out, this is exactly why it's so dangerous

00:24:13.060 to lionize Luigi Mangione. It's if it's okay to hit anybody in power, you consider evil than any

00:24:19.660 politician is fair game. I mean, it's an interesting point now because it's not every day you see a

00:24:25.700 governor's mansion firebombed Matt. This is a, this is a striking development in the land of

00:24:32.420 political attacks. And I use that term generically for a reason. Um, I don't know whether this guy's

00:24:38.300 a nutcase. He sounds extreme in his political rhetoric, but I, I'm not seeing, you know, stuff

00:24:44.820 about like being abducted by space aliens in his social media that we've unearthed so far. He sounds

00:24:50.800 like somebody was pissed off about his foreclosure and I can't help watching this thinking we'd be

00:24:55.660 hearing very different messaging from the Democrat side. If this had been Ron DeSantis, I really think

00:25:01.280 we would, there'd be an attempt to like understand, well, you know, how Ron DeSantis brought this on

00:25:07.340 himself. Yeah. I mean, I think it's going to be critical to determine what exactly the motive

00:25:14.200 was here. Um, you know, very often in these cases, when people do extremely destructive things, including

00:25:21.340 things like school shootings, uh, significant percentage of those folks are, um, you know,

00:25:29.100 sociopathic and predisposed to violence of some kind or another. Um, and people attribute motives to

00:25:36.680 them that they assume because of the way they dress or because of what music they listen to or that, that

00:25:42.860 sort of thing. Uh, so in this case, you know, all we have are, are some superficial indicia, right? We,

00:25:49.180 we see a person who is associated with a lot of traditionally left-leaning causes targeting a

00:25:57.180 democratic governor who, you know, maybe stands out on one or two particular issues as, um, you know,

00:26:06.000 as being something that kind of traditional, uh, liberals or socialists might not be happy about,

00:26:12.180 but we can't assume that that's the reason that frankly, on the, in the foreclosure front,

00:26:18.380 as somebody who's covered, uh, foreclosure courts, I'm a little surprised there hasn't been more

00:26:23.760 violence of this kind, uh, dating back to the mid two thousands, because I've seen how enraged people

00:26:31.360 are, uh, by being thrown out of their, their homes. Uh, you know, a significant percentage of those

00:26:38.200 people are, are tossed out kind of unfairly. Uh, so, you know, we don't know, but, but, uh, I think,

00:26:45.400 you know, Walter's right, uh, to talk about the lionization of Luigi and how we're in this space

00:26:52.380 now where a big segment of the media is kind of intellectualizing violence as a logical response

00:26:59.840 to things. And that is very scary. It's the new version of intellectualizing looting and rioting

00:27:07.400 as, you know, one of the available options to you when you have some sort of societal upset,

00:27:12.060 you mentioned Walter Taylor Lorenz for a reason, former New York times, former Washington post

00:27:17.440 columnist who is now trying to make it in the independent lane. And she sat down with, uh, CNN's

00:27:25.280 Donnie. Is it Donnie O'Sullivan? I actually don't know this guy, uh, who's got some show about

00:27:30.920 misinformation and had the most remarkable exchange regarding Luigi Mangione, the man who stands

00:27:39.680 accused of gunning down in cold blood, the CEO of United healthcare a couple of months ago. Here it

00:27:46.580 is. Hilarious to see these millionaire media pundits on TV clutching their pearls, uh, about someone

00:27:54.300 standing a murderer when this is, this is the United States of America, as if we don't lionize criminals,

00:27:59.940 as if we don't have, you know, we don't stand murderers of all sorts. We give them Netflix shows.

00:28:06.360 There's a huge disconnect between the narratives and angles that sort of mainstream media pushes

00:28:12.060 and what the American public feels. And you see that in moments like this. The women who got her 0.99

00:28:17.220 outside course in New York. So you're going to see women especially that feel like, oh my God,

00:28:22.500 right? Like here's this man who, who's a revolutionary, who's famous, who's handsome,

00:28:28.900 who's young, who's smart. He's a person that seems this, like this morally good man, which is hard to

00:28:36.280 find. Yeah. I just realized women will literally date an assassin before they swipe right on me. 1.00

00:28:43.880 That is repulsive. The way she describes Luigi Mangione as if, and not in a mocking way, not like

00:28:54.380 these, these lunatics are going to say the following things about him. She clearly shares in it. She

00:28:59.120 obviously tweeted out something sympathetic about him right after he did it. This is right in her

00:29:03.900 wheelhouse because she claims she's got every ailment known to man and womankind. I don't from the pull,

00:29:10.180 pulling up the hair to the nail. I don't, she's got a lot of issues. So she blamed now she blames 0.85

00:29:14.680 them all in insurance company. So she clearly looks at this guy as a hero. And that's her talking about

00:29:20.420 for the audience that doesn't know standing is like, you know, stalkery fanning, like, like over the

00:29:26.200 top, uh, fandom. And, uh, she's talking about him as a quote, morally good man. He's a person that

00:29:33.180 seems like this morally good man, which is hard to find. And then laughter. This guy does no pushback

00:29:40.180 from CNN's correspondent. Oh, Sullivan, no pushback whatsoever, Matt.

00:29:47.040 I mean, there's so many things that are crazy about this that, uh, one doesn't even know where

00:29:51.940 to start. Walter and I, just a couple of weeks ago, we, we did a, a segment on Flannery O'Connor's,

00:29:57.420 uh, a good man is hard to find because it was the one hundredth anniversary of her, uh, birth.

00:30:03.920 And, uh, here's Taylor Lorenz, who is probably the most anti-literate person in media, uh, making 0.79

00:30:12.120 a reference to a good man is hard to find. Um, this is, she's someone who, if you handed her a

00:30:17.840 hardcover book would be tempted to bite it. I think she's probably never read the thing,

00:30:23.100 anything in her life. Uh, and I think she missed, if she did know that story, she misunderstood the

00:30:29.200 point of it clearly. Uh, but this idea of Luigi Menzioni as a morally good man, I, I just, I don't

00:30:36.780 know how that goes over and how, what, what CNN is thinking, putting that on the air. Right. It's

00:30:41.640 crazy. To your point about the books, uh, it reminds me of, we love Victor Davis Hanson. We have him on

00:30:47.040 all the time. He's truly a brilliant guy. He knows everything, encyclopedic knowledge of so many

00:30:51.900 subjects. And, uh, we always say like, if, if Victor says it happened, it happened because his

00:30:56.440 memory is so good and it's solid. Um, but he clearly is an avid reader. I mean, he's a college

00:31:01.300 professor many years. Uh, he's an avid reader. He's not really an avid pop culture consumer.

00:31:07.560 And on one of the shows one day, he referred to the woman who was married to Jay-Z as Beyonce

00:31:13.240 because all he does is read. That's all he does is read is to his credit. Taylor Lorenz is the

00:31:20.120 opposite of Victor Davis Hanson. She reads nothing. She just pulls out her hair, feel sorry for

00:31:26.480 herself, cries on TV, doxes, innocent people who happen to write conservative things and then defend

00:31:33.860 cold-blooded accused killers. Walter as good looking, morally good, famous, revolutionary,

00:31:42.600 smart. It's so hard to find.

00:31:44.900 Well, of course this is all a put on. Uh, and I think Megan, your experience in, in news and

00:31:53.180 opinion reveals that to you too. There were many people they could have interviewed about

00:31:58.400 Luigi Mangione. Um, but they picked Taylor Lorenz because she could be counted on to, uh, model this

00:32:06.320 kind of goofy teenage Beatlemania Manson girl fandom that would set the internet on fire. CNN will

00:32:14.840 set itself on fire if it can get ratings at this point. And they just did that. Um, she got on my

00:32:21.320 Twitter this morning because I made, you know, I made adequate fun of this thing. And, uh, she said,

00:32:27.360 I wasn't talking about myself. These aren't my feelings. I was just observing what's going on among

00:32:32.820 young women, but that's not it at all. What she's doing is she's modeling the kind of, uh, reaction 0.99

00:32:39.420 that you're now allowed to have to Luigi, um, them sort of, you know, being like they're on a date

00:32:46.480 joking at the bar about something and, you know, their dating life or whatever was supposed to show

00:32:53.200 America that you can be lighthearted and fun and teeny bopper about this subject. But what they had to

00:33:00.280 say really didn't matter. It was the way they said it and the way they laughed and the way they made

00:33:06.260 everyone, they gave everyone permission to sort of have this strange tiger beat feelings about

00:33:15.440 Tiger beat. Yeah. Sean Cassidy and Robbie Benson and John Travolta. That that's how old I am guys.

00:33:23.240 Um, it's a lie that she was just parroting what others might say about Luigi. Here is what Taylor

00:33:30.560 Lorenz said right after the murder. I mean, in hours after Thompson was killed, Brian Thompson was

00:33:38.120 killed, uh, allegedly by Luigi. She got online and expressed her dismay with the healthcare health

00:33:45.260 industry, uh, insurance industry. Um, what happened was somebody posted on blue sky, blue cross blue

00:33:51.500 shield in Connecticut, New York, and Missouri has declared it will no longer pay for anesthesia for

00:33:55.800 the full length of some surgeries. Lorenz replied. And people wonder why we want these executives dead

00:34:01.640 following that. She went viral for a comment on Piers Morgan, where she said, quote, I do believe

00:34:07.200 in the sanctity of life. And I think that's why I felt along with so many other Americans, joy,

00:34:14.040 unfortunately joy upon learning that Brian Thompson, father of two boys had been murdered,

00:34:20.220 gunned down in his prime. She made her super joyful. So Walter don't give her one inch. 0.57

00:34:25.680 Uh, she doesn't deserve it. Oh, I didn't give her an inch, but I noticed something. She has replies

00:34:32.260 turned off. If she doesn't follow you on Twitter, you're not even allowed to talk back at her. And

00:34:37.960 yet she's celebrating people who shoot others. I mean, this is a phobic, fragile, uh, you know,

00:34:45.160 retarded person who can't say that people at the FDA walk out. I mean it in the classical sense that her 1.00

00:34:54.720 growth is stunted. Um, you know, not that she suffers from any sort of genetic syndrome though.

00:35:00.880 That may be classical retarded can mean slow as an actual word. Like the, the process of that 0.99

00:35:06.660 automobile was retarded by the nails in the road. But it was, it was the host who was really, 0.94

00:35:12.440 is really to be deplored. I mean, she's, she's out there doing her act, you know, trying to get

00:35:17.480 attention for her new independent journalism career. But that guy, not he, he, he, he complied

00:35:25.460 with it. He, he, he fanned it. He, he emphasized, loved it, amplified it. That's what he was there

00:35:31.160 for. Yeah. That's, that's the thing. So, and by the way, pro tip for you, Donnie, the way to get

00:35:36.360 more women swiping right on your profile is not to suggest you think it's hilarious when people kill 1.00

00:35:41.180 innocent men on the street. And that, that's an awesome, like, ha ha ha. Lucky him. This is such

00:35:45.940 a fun conversation. Maybe that's how I'll get more girls. It's a no. Um, maybe you do want to 0.79

00:35:50.860 wind up with like a tailor, maybe with that kind of girl, but not with normal red blooded American 0.99

00:35:55.880 women. Um, Matt, speaking of the feeling he wanted, I got the feeling he wanted Luigi to swipe

00:36:02.200 right on his profile. That could be, that could also be, might as well get go there since we brought

00:36:07.500 it up. RFKJ is the subject of an unfair, untrue smear on Friday. He went over to FDA, the food

00:36:16.220 and drug administration now run by Marty McCary. Yay. Of Johns Hopkins. One of the few sane voices

00:36:22.940 during COVID and, um, did like a rally the troops kind of message, you know, like stand tall and,

00:36:29.980 you know, be careful of disinformation and people trying to corrupt you that like good stuff and made a

00:36:36.640 reference as he has so many times. If you've interviewed RFKJ, you've heard him make this

00:36:41.480 reference to this like home quote for the retarded. That was the name of the home with that he 0.86

00:36:47.820 volunteered at when he was young. And he talks about the special Olympics, which was started by

00:36:52.260 his family and so on. And cue the newspaper articles. He used the R word to describe children

00:36:59.680 or, you know, people with disabilities. He used the R word, notwithstanding the fact that that wasn't

00:37:05.420 true. He was making a reference again to this group. Hold on. I'll find it. Here it is.

00:37:13.940 Uh, okay. Here are a couple of headlines. Mediaites, Sarah Rumpf, FDA staffers dish on unhinged meeting

00:37:22.780 with RFK Jr. where he called special Olympics athletes retarded. Um, then after the truth came

00:37:31.700 out, she later updated the headline to FDA staffers dish on unhinged meeting with RFK Jr.

00:37:37.540 Quote, the deep state is real without an acknowledgement. We'll go back and check it

00:37:42.160 again, Sarah, that she said something that was false and potentially defamatory against him in

00:37:50.240 her original headline, which was so wrong. They had to take it down. Now, when you do that,

00:37:54.320 you then need to fix it. You need to acknowledge your mistake and fix it. It's not that hard daily

00:37:59.540 beast staffers walk out of RFKJ's slur ridden speech about the deep state slur ridden Shannon

00:38:08.180 Watts of moms demand action, who is a complete hack. This is a woman who used to run this group that 1.00

00:38:14.560 didn't want guns available to children, particularly in the school setting sounded normal. She turns out

00:38:21.480 to be a far left hack partisan dishonest person. Um, during remarks to FDA employees today, RFKJ touted

00:38:30.820 his work for the special Olympics, but shocked several FDA employees when he said he spent 200

00:38:35.380 hours in high school working with quote, the retarded, uh, again, our, at our last check, 0.90

00:38:41.760 the tweet was still up. No clarification. Here's what he actually said.

00:38:47.380 Um, and by the way, Politico was the original center on this. They're the ones who got this

00:38:53.060 going. Here's what he actually said. Because of my family's commitment to these issues. I spent 200

00:38:59.120 hours at the wasaic home for the retarded. When I was in high school, I guarantee you, I could tell my 1.00

00:39:04.820 team to pull the clip when he said that on me and on other people show like, this is so messed up.

00:39:10.460 And there was an audio recording too. We're told that there was an audio recording of his remarks.

00:39:15.000 There political went on to say the remark jolted several FDA employees in the audience who misheard

00:39:21.400 the reference and thought he was making a derogatory remark about people with intellectual

00:39:26.140 disabilities. According to two employees, granted anonymity for fear of retaliation.

00:39:31.460 Gee, why did you think that? What do you think it is about RFKJ that led them to believe

00:39:36.060 he, he slurred when it comes to people with mental disabilities

00:39:41.320 employees in front of the entire FDA staff, Walter? That's the thing that's so ridiculous 0.99

00:39:46.060 about it. Like, and then he dropped the N word, you know, like what, what other things 0.91

00:39:51.400 would, you know, your average, uh, cabinet secretary do in front of a, you know, hundreds of new

00:39:56.780 employees other than find groups to slur.

00:40:01.180 You know, uh, it's so ironic that the person who is doing his level best and has committed his

00:40:06.820 life and his fortune at this point to stopping autism is going to be, you know, harassed for

00:40:14.120 having just how significant the culture properly quoted the name of a, of a institution. Um,

00:40:23.160 I think first of all, every generation should be allowed to have the vocabulary that it did when it

00:40:28.780 was 30 years old. Um, and, uh, you know, not that he said the word, but that he wasn't afraid to say

00:40:36.560 it, even though it was the name of something probably comes from the fact that he lived at a time when

00:40:41.620 that's how people spoke. Um, having to reset to the beliefs and the speech, uh, the speech sensitivities

00:40:50.560 of 22 year olds forever is, is getting old. Yeah. I mean, they didn't give him a fair chance.

00:40:58.640 Of course, Matt, they're not going to give him a fair chance, but they'll use anything to smear him.

00:41:03.720 This is another version of binders full of women, which is proof that Mitt Romney is this raging 1.00

00:41:10.500 sexist. It's kind of another version of good people. Um, you know, very fine people on both sides.

00:41:16.760 Um, you know, these lies that they make up based on one word that they pull and then twist.

00:41:24.180 And, but you know, what is it like about, you can't put you on your pants on before the lie

00:41:28.520 spreads around the world. And Politico is very well read. And I'm sure in defense of these others

00:41:34.360 who just ran with it, they went off of the political piece, which was what got the whole

00:41:40.200 thing started. They later did clarify writing for the record, this article and headline have been

00:41:44.320 updated to make clear that Kennedy was referring to the Wassaic state school for the mentally

00:41:48.560 retarded where he worked in high school, not using a derogatory term for people with intellectual

00:41:52.880 disabilities. Yeah. Oddly this, this ties back to the Taylor Loren story because, um, she was famous 0.91

00:42:02.560 among other things for, um, a piece she did years ago where she, uh, sort of hit out in the new app

00:42:10.880 clubhouse and claimed to overhear Mark Andreessen, uh, using what she called the R slur.

00:42:18.320 Yes. Good memory.

00:42:19.680 She posted a, uh, a tweet of all the people who didn't do anything when the R R slur was,

00:42:27.880 was used. Now it turned out that he, it wasn't Andreessen who used the word and it was actually

00:42:34.600 a quote, a self-referential quote involving a group of Redditors who described their, um,

00:42:42.120 sort of GameStop, uh, stock ploy as like the revolution of the retarded or something like 0.97

00:42:50.040 that. And so the question was, what do we think about this retarded revolution or something along 0.98

00:42:55.560 those lines? Uh, and so the whole thing had to be kind of retracted, corrected, clarified,

00:43:00.840 et cetera, et cetera. Uh, but what's interesting about that is that that at the time there was

00:43:07.240 this concerted effort to, to define the harm standard as even using, um, this old word in

00:43:15.440 a private setting essentially was, was somehow not even acceptable. Like the, the argument was

00:43:20.860 we can't have apps like clubhouse because people will be doing this all the time behind closed

00:43:26.800 doors. We go from that to it's okay to shoot people, uh, in broad daylight, uh, if, you know,

00:43:35.560 and that's a morally good person who, who does that. So there's harm over here, uh, which she 0.68

00:43:42.900 later described as, uh, the reaction to that is destroying her life to, you know, to this thing,

00:43:48.700 which is a completely different idea about what harm is. It's, it's, it's, it's mind boggling.

00:43:55.280 You guys just did, um, did you do this on your show or did you write, did you write something on

00:44:01.160 this? I can't remember. Um, but on the NPR, that's not funny challenge. Oh, that was, that was me.

00:44:07.860 Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Cause I, I subscribe and I get it via email, Matt. I subscribe to all

00:44:12.660 buddy, almost nobody's email. You should be honored because I do not like to clog up my inbox,

00:44:17.500 but I do subscribe to yours. So sometimes I don't know whether it's quotes from the show or whether

00:44:22.340 it's just you. Um, but this is seem, this also seems related to me because NPR has like re-upped

00:44:30.920 this old show that it put out. Um, it's, it's the, that's not funny challenge. And, uh, in which

00:44:38.820 they advise parents who may be concerned that their children may become murderers to keep them away

00:44:46.100 from problematic jokes. Like you can't say the R word or God knows where things will go.

00:44:52.520 And you definitely can't have a child who thinks Hitler's mustache is funny, or you might have, 0.55

00:45:00.320 you know, the next one of two things, Republican president or serial killer in the eyes of NPR.

00:45:06.840 It's the same thing. And they really want in today's day and age, uh, to warn parents about

00:45:13.760 the warning signs of your son becoming an incel murderer, as you put it in the piece. Um, and

00:45:20.120 it's probably, it starts with bad jokes. Yeah, it was really an amazing thing because what they did

00:45:26.880 is in response to the popularity of the Netflix show adolescence, uh, which Keir Starmer is now going

00:45:34.080 to, uh, mandate that every secondary school student in the UK has to watch. Um, the story is basically

00:45:42.780 about a, uh, uh, a beatific young boy who is moved to knife crime, uh, or a murder against a young girl

00:45:51.720 because he listens to, uh, Andrew Tate basically, uh, sort of misogynistic online content. And so they,

00:46:00.740 they regurgitated this whole, um, uh, interview they did two years ago about the dangers of that kind

00:46:08.720 of content and this expert on online radicalization, by the way, who, where do you go to get that job?

00:46:15.360 Um, expert in online radicalization anyway, yeah, it's so bizarre. Uh, and the whole thing was about

00:46:24.480 how the first thing you have to do is, is make sure is monitor your children for any signs that they are

00:46:31.940 laughing at inappropriate humor or calling things that really aren't funny, funny. Like for instance,

00:46:38.900 finding Hitler's ever had an eight or nine year old boy, literally every single piece of humor is 0.80

00:46:44.280 inappropriate. Everything is funny. And they singled out Hitler's mustache, which Walter, I don't know, 0.74

00:46:50.660 or Megan, actually both of you, I would think is one of the funniest things that's ever existed

00:46:56.980 is Hitler's mustache. It's a very strange choice by a very strange man. 0.94

00:47:03.280 Yeah, absolutely. If, if, if you're, if your eight year old boy doesn't think Hitler's mustache 0.64

00:47:08.400 is funny, that's one I would call a psychiatrist actually. I mean, honestly, it's like, but you,

00:47:13.680 you point out this piece and it's so true that like for decades now, especially when we all grew up,

00:47:19.140 what, think of the things that we were listening to go back. And I, I dare anybody to go back,

00:47:24.840 start the original bad news bears. Just, just hit play on the original bad news bears. You don't

00:47:33.020 have to go two minutes in to hear every slur. There is the slurs for Hispanics, the slurs for

00:47:40.880 blacks, the slurs for gays, all of them right there from like right out of the barn. You're like, whoa, 0.99

00:47:47.420 nevermind. We're going to try something else when you have little kids. We didn't all turn into

00:47:51.300 psychopathic murderers, Walter, but NPR is really worried about inappropriate humor.

00:47:58.800 Remember that TV movie, the boy in the bubble. It was John Travolta. Yeah. Didn't have an immune

00:48:06.000 system. So they had to be completely encased in a sterile capsule. Well, that's what they're trying

00:48:12.700 to do to kids. Now they're the boy in the bubble. They don't have immune systems. They can't figure

00:48:18.260 things out. They can't reject bad ideas. They, they can't distinguish between sick humor. That's

00:48:23.380 just funny and actually killing someone for kicks. And so we're going to keep them in the bubble and 0.99

00:48:29.200 it's going to be zip tight. The parents are going to check in every few hours to make sure there are

00:48:33.180 no holes in it. Well, what happens to that is your kid develops absolutely no immunity and will go out

00:48:39.120 into the world and probably go crazy almost instantly once they're out of the controlled environment.

00:48:44.400 So, so I see toughen your kids up, use the old, uh, standard, uh, of exposing them to everything,

00:48:52.240 you know, let them smoke cigarettes and get sick. Let them have a drink and throw up and let them

00:48:56.640 laugh at Hitler's mustache. There'll be good people someday. The other thing is going to create 0.99

00:49:01.600 freaks. Yeah. Right. Honestly, they, they need bad humor. Uh, they need to be able to make fun of each

00:49:08.360 other. They need to be able to touch the untouchable or it becomes too important to them. It becomes like

00:49:12.980 larger than life. Um, and as usual, NPR's advice is totally wrong. An update for you.

00:49:21.240 Shannon Watts is still not taken down her post. Mediaite has now added the political clarification

00:49:26.540 that I read to you earlier. That's not good enough. You have to say, as we reported what we reported

00:49:33.800 was wrong. It ends with, um, he was referencing this school, not using a derogatory term for people

00:49:38.860 with intellectual disabilities. And then you just need to add, as we earlier reported, we misled you.

00:49:45.620 That's it. We were sorry. We fucked up. We listened to Politico. I mean that you should just have that

00:49:52.040 on a standard. Politico restated the name of the institution and its article and therefore is as

00:49:57.640 guilty of exactly the same crime as RFK. Are they not? I mean,

00:50:01.040 no, they kicked it off. They, they exactly. Yes. But they don't own that piece of it. Hold that

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00:51:05.600 Now I have been dying to get back from break because I missed serious gold in the blue origin

00:51:12.880 story that my team has redirected me to. And now I will bring you guys there as well.

00:51:18.880 Take a listen to the female commentators as this nipple-shaped rocket ship was about to take off. 1.00

00:51:29.980 And the two commentators, I had to know their names when I heard this, I'm told by Steve Krakauer

00:51:35.400 include Teresa Thompson, who normally works with ESPN sports and Kristen Fisher, who used to be on Fox,

00:51:42.740 but then went to CNN. But both of them, we believe, are just doing like blue origin announcing on this

00:51:49.020 particular day, like not working for an outlet. So obviously hired by Bezos to do this. And would

00:51:54.640 you listen to the commentary, guys?

00:51:57.120 And when you are out there at this moment, this rocket feels like it is alive. It feels like it

00:52:04.900 is a living, breathing, pissing thing, right? And there's the gantry pulling back.

00:52:11.460 And this right here is the moment that they've been training for.

00:52:15.120 Training.

00:52:15.580 Training.

00:52:17.360 Two days. Becoming a crew. Becoming a team.

00:52:23.680 After you go through an experience like this, it's more than a team. It's almost like a family.

00:52:29.060 You are so tight to go through something as intense as this.

00:52:32.700 Executing after.

00:52:33.000 So, you know, as you said, this is like a bridled beast. This thing wants to take off. 1.00

00:52:39.300 Switch to onboard helium.

00:52:40.940 Here we go.

00:52:43.360 Good luck and Godspeed, ladies. 1.00

00:52:45.580 We're cheering you on.

00:52:46.900 Let's launch this rocket.

00:52:48.060 Direct termination system is armed.

00:52:51.300 Oh, my God.

00:52:53.260 Their training?

00:52:54.780 They did two days.

00:52:57.240 And I asked my team to pull, like, what did they do during their two days?

00:53:01.180 Okay, here they are.

00:53:03.400 Their tasks?

00:53:04.840 They spent the past two days at facilities for Blue Origin going over preparations,

00:53:09.580 according to Blue Origin's Arianne Cornell.

00:53:12.040 Their tasks included...

00:53:13.060 Practicing how to get into and out of the New Shepard capsule.

00:53:25.840 You go in, then you go out.

00:53:28.880 Oh, once again, ladies. 1.00

00:53:30.840 Okay.

00:53:31.140 The group also practiced how to put on and take off their seatbelts.

00:53:39.700 I'm dying.

00:53:40.840 I'm dying.

00:53:41.880 Let me see if there's anything else.

00:53:44.160 Oh, they had to get fitted in their flight suits, guys.

00:53:48.400 They had to get fitted and they had to learn how to communicate with ground control.

00:53:53.600 So, okay, this is what's so funny about it to me. 0.91

00:53:58.420 First of all, these two nitwits talking about the training they've been through. 0.94

00:54:03.240 All their training, it all comes down to this. 0.99

00:54:06.800 Secondly, isn't...

00:54:09.240 That was like astronaut training.

00:54:11.200 The universal phrase for something that's extremely physically taxing on you.

00:54:16.720 They used to stick the astronauts in these booths and make it sub-zero temperatures and

00:54:23.920 then make them super confused.

00:54:25.460 They couldn't perform simple tasks anymore and then make their hearing go away.

00:54:30.500 They would deprive you of sensory deprivation one sense after the other.

00:54:33.840 And that's part of the...

00:54:34.640 And now it's like they had to learn how to get in and out.

00:54:40.360 But they dress it up on the one thing by saying they had to learn egress and ingress.

00:54:45.380 That's astronaut talk.

00:54:48.600 And they'd click in and out of their seatbelts.

00:54:52.900 And then the other girl going on about how after you go through an experience like that,

00:54:58.660 you are more than a team.

00:55:00.620 You are family.

00:55:01.980 That egress and ingress and seatbelt buckling, then lying down in your Oscar de la Renta suit.

00:55:12.240 Walter's just got his finger on his face.

00:55:15.780 True distress.

00:55:17.700 Just a few weeks ago, actual astronauts who got stranded in space for months,

00:55:24.400 floating around in weightless condition, not in this luxury vehicle,

00:55:28.840 were rescued by another rocket and brought back to Earth.

00:55:32.560 And it hardly made a splash on the media.

00:55:36.600 These people have already gotten 50 times the publicity that those heroes and the person

00:55:43.320 who rescued them got.

00:55:44.960 Yeah, ISS and Elon, right?

00:55:46.960 The people who are on the international system.

00:55:47.840 Jeff Bezos basically put his girlfriend and her pals into a giant vibrator,

00:55:53.180 shot them into orbit for 10 minutes,

00:55:54.740 and they came back telling all about the thrill.

00:55:59.160 We've got everything upside down.

00:56:01.180 And if women get any more empowerment of this sort, 0.84

00:56:04.560 they're going to be denied the right to vote.

00:56:08.620 I love the color commentary, though.

00:56:10.960 It's, you know, speaking with knowledge as if they know what this is like generally.

00:56:18.140 Yes.

00:56:19.280 I was like, are these astronauts?

00:56:21.780 No, it's like some girl from ESPN and some girl from CNN.

00:56:25.280 Like, oh, let me tell you what the training does for you on something like this.

00:56:28.900 Hello?

00:56:29.560 What?

00:56:30.900 It's crazy.

00:56:32.760 It's like, you know, when you go to get a Chevy Traverse test drive,

00:56:36.400 you come out more like a family than like, you know, somebody who just took a car.

00:56:42.580 I mean, like they're talking about getting in and out of a car, basically.

00:56:46.580 All their training, it comes down to this.

00:56:48.660 Can we hear the beginning of that again?

00:56:49.780 I need to hear that again.

00:56:50.820 Let's just play it again.

00:56:52.500 Egress.

00:56:53.160 When you are out there at this moment, this rocket feels like it is alive.

00:56:58.080 It feels like it is a living, breathing, kissing thing, right?

00:57:03.400 And there's the gantry pulling back.

00:57:05.780 And this right here is the moment that they've been training for.

00:57:08.420 Two days, becoming a crew, becoming a team.

00:57:18.000 After you go through an experience like this, it's more than a team.

00:57:22.260 It's almost like a family.

00:57:23.440 You are so tight to go through something as intense as this.

00:57:27.780 You know, as you said, this is like a bridled beast. 1.00

00:57:31.040 This thing wants to take off.

00:57:33.600 Switch to onboard helium.

00:57:35.280 Here we go.

00:57:36.040 That's the sexual part.

00:57:37.360 Godspeed, ladies. 1.00

00:57:40.100 We're cheering you on.

00:57:41.200 Let's launch this rocket.

00:57:42.360 The termination system is armed.

00:57:45.120 I can't.

00:57:47.060 The drama.

00:57:48.320 That's also like a stereotypically female thing, which is not great, right? 1.00

00:57:53.440 To be overly dramatic when the circumstances don't call for it.

00:57:57.660 I'm not saying what they were doing was guaranteed safe.

00:58:00.760 Obviously, we have seen accidents before.

00:58:02.480 It's not like there was some degree of risk there, but the training, it all comes down

00:58:07.320 to literally they learned how to buckle their seatbelts and wear the suits that were designer 0.66

00:58:14.420 and showed Lauren Sanchez's boobs. 1.00

00:58:16.640 Okay. 0.99

00:58:17.360 I am.

00:58:18.040 I don't.

00:58:18.240 No one's going to convince me that those rockets are not phallic. 0.95

00:58:20.980 I think we're all just part of some weird Jeff Bezos sexual fantasy right now. 0.92

00:58:25.680 I really do. 0.96

00:58:26.440 There's something happening there.

00:58:27.660 I don't.

00:58:28.320 I don't wish to participate.

00:58:30.220 Okay.

00:58:30.820 There's a lot of other news.

00:58:32.080 You wouldn't know it.

00:58:32.700 But first, I got to spend a minute on you, Matt Taibbi, because you were mentioned last

00:58:36.340 week on our show.

00:58:37.280 We were talking about, speaking of political, a political report about Anonymous, that guy

00:58:45.740 who worked within the government who came out during the Trump administration, was like

00:58:50.260 those of us at DHS, Miles Taylor, we're handling him behind the scenes.

00:58:55.660 Like we've really got control of the government.

00:58:57.460 Anyway, that guy left government service in 2019 and turned out to be like a nothing burger.

00:59:04.940 He was nowhere near as important as he would have had us believe.

00:59:08.140 And Trump just revoked his security clearance, which no one knows why he still had it anyway,

00:59:12.600 and said, I want an investigation to see if he used any classified info.

00:59:16.960 So with respect to that guy and somebody else who worked for Trump, he wanted some government

00:59:22.660 snooping around to see if they had done anything wrong.

00:59:25.160 And he's not charging anybody.

00:59:26.560 He's doing some like kicking of the tires.

00:59:28.160 And Politico, in response to this, writes this article like, never before has the White

00:59:34.200 House leaned on the DOJ or one of its top agencies to investigate a private citizen in retaliation

00:59:41.280 for something that citizen has allegedly done.

00:59:44.080 And I was like, why don't you tell it to James O'Keefe and Matt Taibbi?

00:59:49.020 And I read them Ron Johnson's press release the day you testified at that hearing on the

00:59:55.060 weaponization of government only to go home and get a visit from the IRS.

01:00:00.700 And Ron Johnson was saying there is zero chance this is coincidental.

01:00:04.220 And then sure enough, you got audited.

01:00:06.920 They were they began at least an audit.

01:00:08.960 So I would love to know your thoughts on that political assertion and whether that has resolved

01:00:15.560 now and the government is finally off your back.

01:00:19.460 They they are.

01:00:20.680 I was actually told at the end of that month.

01:00:24.980 So they that happened on, I think, March 9th of 2023.

01:00:30.480 By the end of the month, they told me that I was in the clear.

01:00:33.360 They actually owed me a lot of money.

01:00:35.320 Um, and the, uh, and the investigation had been started up, um, on the same day as one

01:00:43.380 of the main, main Twitter files reports.

01:00:45.960 And once the, uh, judiciary committee sent a letter to the treasury asking basically what

01:00:52.040 the deal was, they sent over a whole bunch of documents, uh, and conceded that there was

01:00:57.720 nothing there.

01:00:58.500 And then, uh, informed me personally that, um, I was in the clear, so I'm not being investigated

01:01:04.460 anymore.

01:01:05.260 And then, uh, thanks to Jim Jordan, actually, they, they changed the policy about, um, personal

01:01:10.740 visits to people, uh, by the IRS.

01:01:14.040 So that's, that was actually a positive outcome to that whole thing.

01:01:17.460 Wow.

01:01:18.200 I mean, your, so your thoughts then that, that, that, that this by Trump is the first time

01:01:22.660 it's ever happened.

01:01:25.320 Clearly not.

01:01:26.240 Uh, you know, I think we've, we can go back through history and, and find many examples of

01:01:31.800 people who've been investigated, uh, or, you know, at least the DOJ has been nudged in

01:01:37.580 the direction of somebody.

01:01:38.860 I mean, I think that's been a feature of almost every presidential administration going back

01:01:43.020 to Nixon.

01:01:43.740 Am I wrong about that, Walter?

01:01:45.260 I can't think of anybody who, who hasn't been in trouble for that.

01:01:49.280 Uh, but, uh, you know, that whole thing that Miles Taylor, you know, he's a character, right?

01:01:58.220 He was a significant character in the Twitter files.

01:02:01.200 We didn't do a lot of the reports on those.

01:02:03.460 Um, but I know that there was talk about investigating him even, um, even before the end

01:02:11.700 of Trump's first term, so, uh, yeah, I'm sure there was, by the way, um, just in case the

01:02:18.460 audience doesn't remember the Twitter files, of course, is, uh, the release of all sorts

01:02:21.760 of files at Twitter now X by Elon.

01:02:24.100 Once he took it over showing massive government coordination with social media companies, including

01:02:28.640 X to do things like stifle all free discussion around COVID and many other subjects.

01:02:34.540 Sorry, go ahead, Walter.

01:02:35.560 What were you going to say?

01:02:36.660 Well, maybe I don't understand security clearances, but I, I thought the deal was,

01:02:41.700 cause you get one and then you get to look at stuff that you're not allowed to talk about.

01:02:46.260 Um, this guy, uh, may not have talked about, uh, you know, classified information, but he

01:02:52.720 did open his mouth, uh, very loudly and, and, you know, against his commander in chief at the

01:02:59.700 time or, you know, his executive and why he would expect that he would not become a target

01:03:05.880 once he's outed.

01:03:06.940 The reason he was anonymous is that he was afraid of what he was doing.

01:03:10.340 Um, then he got de-anonymized and, and, and they're looking into him, uh, that makes him

01:03:17.400 a victim of some kind.

01:03:18.620 Uh, and why do you keep these clearances for life?

01:03:21.700 I don't understand that at all.

01:03:23.080 I mean, they walk around with them.

01:03:27.060 Apparently they're a great way to earn money because, you know, yeah, they're a subsidy to

01:03:32.260 people.

01:03:32.560 It's sort of like a, an honorary badge that you can use for the rest of your life.

01:03:37.140 And people who want you to look at classified things, I guess, can have you do that.

01:03:41.400 But, um, I, I, I think they should probably expire and not need to be taken away.

01:03:48.420 I agree.

01:03:49.260 And then you can get it on a case by case basis.

01:03:51.260 Uh, but that seems to be plenty now, not, not, uh, content to have had your first, or

01:03:58.120 at least probably wasn't your first Matt, but your most recent, um, appearance before

01:04:02.760 Congress results in a scary visit from the IRS.

01:04:05.380 You went back to Congress.

01:04:07.420 You've been back a few times.

01:04:08.580 And the most recent one was just a couple of months ago, I believe where upon, well, you

01:04:17.360 got at this hearing called a sexual, a serial sexual harasser by some far left California

01:04:25.440 Democrat named representative Sydney Kamlager Dove, who I'll state up front had zero evidence

01:04:34.220 to support that defamatory claim.

01:04:37.220 She just pulled out of thin air to smear Matt Taibbi in a congressional hearing.

01:04:42.360 Matt didn't love it.

01:04:43.980 Here's what happened.

01:04:45.360 Watch.

01:04:47.660 The majority is relitigating a made up conspiracy theory about a part of the state department that

01:04:54.660 no longer exists to distract from the dumpster fire foreign policy.

01:04:59.300 This administration is pursuing and elevating a serial sexual harasser as their star witness 0.63

01:05:06.100 in the process.

01:05:07.280 Mr. Chair, I request unanimous consent to enter into the record two articles about the Republican

01:05:13.680 witness, Matt Taibbi.

01:05:15.040 The first is a Chicago reader article entitled 20 years ago in Moscow, Matt Taibbi was a misogynist 0.89

01:05:22.080 a-hole and possibly worse.

01:05:24.300 And a Washington Post article titled the two expat bros who terrorized women correspondents

01:05:30.160 in Moscow.

01:05:33.060 So you did what very few people will do when they've been smeared and you actually filed

01:05:38.620 a lawsuit because while she has a congressional privilege to say all sorts of nonsense when 0.99

01:05:42.800 she's in that seat, she repeated the smears on social media.

01:05:46.280 I looked into this recently and the privilege still may exist, but not to the same extent as

01:05:51.680 it does when they're in their congressional seat.

01:05:54.040 She exposed herself by repeating that online and you're suing her for 10 million bucks.

01:05:59.320 So what's behind that?

01:06:00.640 Why did you decide to do that?

01:06:03.980 Well, when this story first came out in 2017, it's based on a single passage in a book that

01:06:10.520 I co-wrote with my former co-editor in Moscow.

01:06:13.180 And it's completely fictional, like almost everything else in The Exile.

01:06:18.480 I mean, The Exile was a satirical newspaper where everything was basically backwards.

01:06:25.340 The whole idea was an un-newspaper.

01:06:27.700 So like, for instance, the corrections always referred to things that had never actually

01:06:31.680 been in the newspaper.

01:06:33.480 Most of the bylines were of fake people describing fake adventures.

01:06:38.080 And in one passage, Mark described something that it didn't happen.

01:06:45.020 It's a massive exaggeration of something.

01:06:48.620 And so all the people who were involved were eventually contacted at that time.

01:06:54.360 They recanted.

01:06:55.460 There were corrections at the time.

01:06:58.180 I was in litigation with some newspapers at the time.

01:07:01.880 That's all been done and finished.

01:07:04.040 And nobody's ever accused me of sexual harassment here or in Russia.

01:07:10.220 Not even during the Me Too movement.

01:07:12.500 None of that stuff.

01:07:14.240 I'm, you know, I'm one of those people who goes straight home from work, doesn't socialize,

01:07:17.880 nothing.

01:07:19.260 And but I knew in the hearing, as soon as she said that, I thought about the speech and

01:07:24.840 debate clause.

01:07:25.540 And I realized that she's allowed to say that.

01:07:29.020 And then on the way home, I saw that she was retweeting this, I think, in an effort to

01:07:34.960 try to get a rise out of me because she said something along the lines of, you know, my

01:07:40.360 silence in the hearing was telling.

01:07:43.340 But I think I think that the privilege has penetrated once you go outside Congress and

01:07:49.420 start retweeting on X and blue sky.

01:07:51.660 And I'd had enough at that point of this thing, this thing did major damage to my life and

01:07:57.560 career.

01:07:58.300 And it's not true.

01:07:59.800 And so, you know, for her to drag this up seven years later, it's I just ran out of patience.

01:08:06.600 Good for you.

01:08:08.180 No, I remember looking at this when I can't remember whether it was Dick Blumenthal or

01:08:13.880 Tim Kaine, but one of them had said to Pete Hegseth that suggested that he was beating

01:08:21.140 his wife in the in the hearing or an ex-wife.

01:08:24.520 I mean, like the literal, like classic defamatory statement and they can be protected.

01:08:30.660 These guys can do whatever they want. 0.98

01:08:31.760 It's disgusting. 0.97

01:08:32.600 But then they repeated it on social media.

01:08:34.840 And I remember saying, you know, he should sue.

01:08:37.100 And some smart lawyers responded saying, well, there's it's protected because the speech

01:08:40.620 and debate.

01:08:40.900 And I actually spent some time looking into it because I didn't think social media would

01:08:45.960 qualify.

01:08:46.780 And I did find a lot of big loopholes that you could drive a truck through.

01:08:50.220 You are far less protected when you are tweeting as a congressman on X or on blue sky than you

01:08:55.860 are when you're in that seat.

01:08:56.880 And I think she's in for a whole messy legal battle that she didn't anticipate. 1.00

01:09:01.540 So good for you, because no one ever fights back, Matt.

01:09:04.020 No one ever fights back.

01:09:05.500 Have you had any response from her or her team?

01:09:07.820 Well, I probably can't get into that publicly.

01:09:13.120 But what I what I will say is that there was a lot of positive response about this.

01:09:18.280 And part of that was from other journalists, because, you know, I don't know if you agree

01:09:23.140 with this, but I think there's been kind of a laissez faire attitude toward outright libel

01:09:31.040 people in the last eight, nine years.

01:09:33.620 People just say such crazy things online.

01:09:37.600 And there's this attitude that we don't have to back it up.

01:09:41.200 We don't have to make notations when we make corrections.

01:09:44.200 We don't have to leave it on the page to tell people that we made a mistake before.

01:09:49.760 We can say what we want and get away with it.

01:09:51.960 Most people won't sue.

01:09:53.000 And I think you have to, because that's the argument for not censoring is that this other

01:10:00.360 system actually works.

01:10:02.560 And, you know, as somebody who's very against censorship, I think when people do do that

01:10:08.160 kind of thing, you have to try to hold them accountable.

01:10:11.340 So Matt's too much of a gentleman to say what he really thinks, Walter.

01:10:13.880 But what did you make of that exchange?

01:10:15.140 Well, Matt is a gentleman, as testified by the fact he's only suing her for 10 million.

01:10:22.160 I mean, we live in the day of billion dollar lawsuits.

01:10:25.300 I think Trump just went after CBS for billions that, you know, Alex Jones coughed up, Fox coughed

01:10:32.720 up to Dominion.

01:10:34.020 But the damage to Matt, his family, his children, you know, and so on from that charge, which was

01:10:40.140 completely unfounded, is worth, I think, a lot more than that.

01:10:43.940 So he's really he's really being a Boy Scout by asking for so little.

01:10:48.480 When I heard it, you know, I have a lot of friends who, you know, watch our podcast and

01:10:54.160 they started texting me saying, I can't watch this.

01:10:56.880 Poor Matt, he's sitting up there, you know, and I thought to myself, well, you know, he

01:11:02.240 likes it.

01:11:02.740 He knows what's going to happen now.

01:11:04.500 It's an adventure for him.

01:11:06.040 Last time the IRS came, this time they libeled him.

01:11:08.980 They might pull out a gun next time.

01:11:10.960 I mean, he's driving Congress crazy.

01:11:13.200 Yeah.

01:11:13.940 It was just it was a hearing on the censorship industrial complex, the need for First Amendment

01:11:18.500 safeguards at the State Department.

01:11:20.480 I mean, it's really that's that's kind of a no brainer.

01:11:23.100 Of course, we need First Amendment safeguards. 0.95

01:11:25.440 We've been through quite a lot of censorship.

01:11:27.920 That's what the Twitter files showed, among other things.

01:11:30.660 And instead of taking any sort of a lesson and listening open mindedly, she decided to

01:11:35.280 go to the politics of personal destruction.

01:11:36.840 And it was despicable decided to do decided to speak in the one kind of way that actually

01:11:42.460 violates the First Amendment.

01:11:44.020 But I mean, in the sense that, you know, yeah, the irony, no censorship for her, only for

01:11:51.820 others, I guess.

01:11:53.080 And then moving on.

01:11:54.500 Yeah.

01:11:54.680 So quickly is that, you know, from the very beginning, I know when I testified about the

01:11:59.500 footer files, you know, two years ago, the Democrats treated me almost like I was worse

01:12:06.120 than a Trump supporter to them.

01:12:09.640 They think of me as some kind of apostate, but I've been a lifelong supporter of the First

01:12:14.500 Amendment.

01:12:14.960 I've been a Democrat most of my life.

01:12:16.980 I'd probably agree with them about some things if they wanted to open a discussion about what's

01:12:21.920 appropriate for online regulation.

01:12:24.340 But they they decided to go completely in a different direction.

01:12:28.720 And the political sense of that escapes me.

01:12:31.640 I just don't understand why they do.

01:12:32.880 Well, I guarantee you that woman did no research other than on you, other than, you know, smear 0.99

01:12:38.300 research stuff that she could get to smear you. 0.98

01:12:41.240 She she didn't she wasn't interested in probing who you actually are, what your views are. 1.00

01:12:44.760 And she was too dumb to know you. 0.97

01:12:47.060 So, you know, all of it reflected very poorly on her. 0.99

01:12:50.220 And I think it will continue to.

01:12:52.240 OK, a couple of the things this just in the else the president of El Salvador was at the

01:12:58.540 White House this morning and met with President Trump.

01:13:01.720 This is the guy who's taking our Venezuelan gang members and other illegals into this 0.99

01:13:06.040 controversial prison, which does not look like a day at the park.

01:13:09.260 And one of the guys that we deported, this guy, last name Abrego Garcia, is at the center

01:13:18.780 of the controversy now because the Supreme Court, just to be clear, has already ruled that Trump

01:13:22.980 can use the Alien Enemy Act, Alien Enemies Act to deport these people.

01:13:27.240 And what what process they'll get before we deport them?

01:13:30.920 The answer is some and we'll figure out how much.

01:13:34.120 But I guarantee it's not going to be much.

01:13:35.500 It's not going to be much.

01:13:36.600 Immigrants we're trying to kick out get a very de minimis level of due process. 1.00

01:13:40.540 It's not like you are the three of us would get in a court of law accused of crimes.

01:13:44.800 That's the highest level, by the way, an illegal accused of a crime who's tried in a

01:13:47.980 court would get the same level of due process in a criminal court as we would, too.

01:13:51.880 But on deportation hearings, it's a quickie, you know, what do we know?

01:13:56.340 What don't we know?

01:13:57.340 Get out.

01:13:58.060 And then they usually stay.

01:13:59.960 OK, so what happened with this guy was he was brought over and he was like 15 or 16 by

01:14:04.220 his parents from El Salvador and then grew up to allegedly become part of MS-13 here in

01:14:12.320 America, down in Virginia or Maryland around there.

01:14:15.140 And he got pinpointed as a potentially, you know, problematic guy as a gang member, potentially

01:14:24.400 and dragged into immigration court.

01:14:25.800 And we had an immigration proceeding against him.

01:14:28.920 We didn't like have a criminal proceeding against him.

01:14:31.480 And then it went up on appeal within the immigration system.

01:14:34.540 And two courts, the lower court and the upper court, found that he had enough gang ties that

01:14:40.740 they were convinced he was a member of MS-13.

01:14:42.920 They took witness testimony from a confidential informant.

01:14:46.300 And apparently even El Salvador says he was a member of MS-13.

01:14:50.740 So he was ordered to be deported.

01:14:53.740 Get out.

01:14:54.380 Now he's in his mid-20s.

01:14:55.500 Please leave.

01:14:56.820 And only this this took a while, all these proceedings.

01:14:59.520 And only on the eve of his deportation did he say, I is basically an asylum claim.

01:15:06.480 You can't claim asylum in the United States unless you claim it within like the first year

01:15:09.760 of being here, which he missed.

01:15:11.000 But so it wasn't asylum exactly, but it was like, I need humanitarian relief.

01:15:15.200 You can't send me back to El Salvador.

01:15:16.580 And the reason is that there's this terrible gang there that wants to kill me and my whole 0.93

01:15:19.860 family. 0.93

01:15:20.420 We were making some sort of a food.

01:15:21.880 They like to make that food. 0.96

01:15:23.280 They didn't want my family to make the food.

01:15:24.980 My mother, my brother, me, well, I'll be dead if you send me back to El Salvador.

01:15:29.260 And some judge was like, OK, and gave him this order of suspended removal where he we could

01:15:38.440 still deport him.

01:15:39.160 We could send him to any country in the world that would have him.

01:15:42.360 But we can't send him to El Salvador because of this judge's order.

01:15:46.320 At least then, if circumstances change, you can send him back to El Salvador.

01:15:51.960 And by the way, that gang that was allegedly targeting him that he forgot to mention during

01:15:56.000 two long immigration removal hearings, never mentioned once, only came up once he lost and

01:16:02.680 he was ordered deported, no longer exists.

01:16:05.480 So our government very easily could have gone back into immigration court and gotten an order

01:16:08.880 saying the removal suspension's lifted.

01:16:11.220 You're going home, buddy.

01:16:12.140 But now he's like been removed, thanks to Trump, and he's playing the I'm an American.

01:16:17.580 I have kids.

01:16:18.620 One may be special needs.

01:16:20.260 This is so wrong.

01:16:21.100 I'm just a dreamer.

01:16:22.200 Forget all those allegations about me being part of MS-13 that two courts found were real

01:16:26.040 that El Salvador says are real.

01:16:28.300 It was never found by a criminal court, so it can't be real.

01:16:30.980 And we think the evidence is sketchy.

01:16:32.080 And I'm an American.

01:16:32.880 Send me back home, which he's not.

01:16:33.960 He's an El Salvadoran.

01:16:35.420 That's that's the synopsis, by the way, the one the media won't give you about this guy,

01:16:39.920 Debrego Garcia, who's become the left wing's poster boy for wrongful deporting deportations.

01:16:46.740 The left has taken this case up.

01:16:49.500 They got an order from a lower court judge saying we have to we have to make sure that

01:16:56.320 he gets deported, that we sorry, returned, returned to the United States from this El 1.00

01:17:01.660 Salvadoran prison, to which we were not allowed to deport him technically.

01:17:06.820 And the Supreme Court took it up and said, all right, you have to help facilitate his

01:17:13.280 removal, but you don't have to insure it.

01:17:16.020 You don't have to actually execute on it.

01:17:18.360 That's somebody else's job.

01:17:19.360 But you, United States government, you do have to help facilitate his removal from that

01:17:24.840 prison and return.

01:17:25.780 And that was a lower burden than the left wanted.

01:17:28.980 They wanted you have to make sure he gets back here.

01:17:31.940 And the Supreme Court would not give that.

01:17:34.420 So that's where the case stands now, as Bukele, the president of El Salvador, shows up at the

01:17:40.480 White House and all the left was saying, why don't you just put him on your plane, put this

01:17:44.400 gang member on the El Salvadoran president's plane and bring him back.

01:17:49.600 Well, that didn't happen.

01:17:50.720 And the news just out of the Oval is as follows.

01:17:53.200 Watch.

01:17:53.440 Well, I kept, I'm supposed to not suggest that I smuggle a terrorist into the United

01:18:00.020 States, right?

01:18:00.960 How can I smuggle, how can I return him to the United States? 0.99

01:18:05.040 If I could, I smuggle him into the United States or what do I do?

01:18:07.900 Of course, I'm not going to do it.

01:18:09.620 It's like, I mean, the question is preposterous.

01:18:13.060 How can I smuggle a terrorist into the United States?

01:18:16.260 I don't have the power to return him to the United States.

01:18:18.780 And now it's a very interesting legal thicket because Trump is saying, Team Trump, Stephen

01:18:26.300 Miller, saying we don't have the authority to go into a foreign government, a foreign

01:18:31.880 nation and take someone who is a Salvadoran citizen who has no citizenry here and bring 1.00

01:18:41.560 him back to the United States where we don't have that authority.

01:18:44.660 Now you hear the Salvadoran president saying, we don't have authority to take someone who's

01:18:49.620 been said to be a gang member and adjudicated by the, by President Trump, by executive order,

01:18:55.480 a terrorist and drop him back off into the United States. 0.54

01:18:58.900 And that's where things stand.

01:19:00.280 Now it's getting, now it's getting really interesting to me.

01:19:02.600 Thoughts on it, guys?

01:19:03.380 Well, one of the, one of the terrible effects of, uh, unconstrained immigration and illegal 1.00

01:19:14.020 immigration is that every one of those people represents a, uh, total tie up of our court

01:19:20.880 system.

01:19:21.380 I mean, that we are spending this amount of time, this amount of care, this amount of, you

01:19:27.460 know, media space on a gang member, uh, or an alleged gang member, it is definitely an illegal

01:19:35.420 definitely a deportation order, saddled illegal is an argument for, for there really being a very

01:19:44.860 strict and like you say, de minimis process for, I think getting them out of here because, uh, we

01:19:51.620 can't afford these resources, we can't afford this divisive argument and this legal quagmire over

01:19:59.320 every single person.

01:20:01.420 And, uh, you know, uh, this is not somebody to embrace for the left, you know, and, and, and

01:20:08.100 that they want immediate results from a U S government that takes forever to get you a, you know, get 0.52

01:20:13.440 you a permit for something or whatever is ridiculous.

01:20:17.140 Uh, these are the kind of issues that no matter what Trump does are going to keep the left and 0.67

01:20:23.980 the Democrats in the minority for a long time.

01:20:27.880 Matt, it's very interesting because Trump got an order last week, late last week from the high

01:20:32.000 court saying the deportation of the Columbia university agitator, Mahmoud Khalil, the guy

01:20:38.220 who was the spokesperson for the on-campus group of Columbia that overtook that building Hamilton

01:20:42.260 Hall and held people hostage and defame the bill or defaced the building. Um, that Trump and Marco

01:20:50.720 Rubio, who acted as secretary of state to say his presence here is not consistent with the foreign

01:20:55.020 policy goals of the United States. The high court said, you're fine. You're good there. That was their

01:20:59.320 first poster boy. By the way, we told you that was not going to work. And we were right. And now this

01:21:04.200 guy's going down because the Supreme court would not order a mandate that we actually make sure he get

01:21:08.880 back here. And now we're in this really interesting place where we're this legal, legal limbo, but

01:21:13.760 here's, and, and that's, that works for Trump because possession is nine tenths of the law and

01:21:19.020 he's in El Salvador. Um, here is Stephen Miller. I'm going to advancing this now outside of the

01:21:26.140 white house. Uh, and I think it was yesterday, but not sure where all these reporters, because

01:21:32.360 they're all left-wingers. They all think this guy should be released back. It was today. Okay. It was

01:21:35.860 this morning that they all think he should be released back into the United States, gang

01:21:39.680 member or not, terrorist or not illegal or not. And Stephen Miller, who knows the subject

01:21:44.660 like the back of his hand, did a little slice and dice in the media. Watch this.

01:21:48.900 Let's see if any of you have researched anything about this issue at all. Can anyone here tell

01:21:53.820 me what would happen to the illegal alien from El Salvador if he came back to the United

01:21:57.540 States? Does anyone here know? Does anyone want to guess? Any of you? He could be with his

01:22:02.240 family. He would be arrested. He'd be put in confinement. He would be deported the second

01:22:07.620 time to El Salvador again because there's no withholding order for an alien who's a member

01:22:14.740 of a foreign terrorist organization. Number one. Number two is the gang that he's a member

01:22:18.400 of doesn't exist in El Salvador anymore. So what you're asking for is to be deported twice.

01:22:22.660 So I'm trying to understand from you all is, so if he came back and under our laws, he was

01:22:26.880 then deported to Egypt or to Somalia, would you then be saying, great, I'm so glad that

01:22:32.920 you deported him to another country? Is that what you'd all be saying? Do you want to understand

01:22:36.520 our immigration laws at all? Do you know the difference between a deportation order and

01:22:40.680 a withholding order? Do you know the difference? Any of you? Please. Do you? Well, we're not

01:22:46.500 in the government. What I'm getting from this is that one person in the media knows the difference

01:22:52.460 between a deportation order and a withholding order. Is that a fair statement? You're learning

01:22:55.800 about this all for the first time right now? I guess so. Okay. So the deportation order

01:23:00.460 means the judge has said he must be deported from the country. He has no right to remain

01:23:05.920 here any longer. He must be removed from the country. So his only options are to be deported

01:23:12.080 to his home country or another country. That's it. By the way, that happened here. He doesn't

01:23:16.140 get to stay here. He doesn't get to live here. He has no future here. He has no right to be

01:23:20.200 here. He's an illegal alien. That was amazing. Was it not amazing? 0.99

01:23:26.000 We're not in the government. No, it's incredible. And it's a source of frustration for me because

01:23:34.080 I think all of us in media, we often get asked to respond immediately to things that happen

01:23:40.780 outside our areas of expertise. There's a reason why most people who are in journalism

01:23:47.600 tend to cover a couple of topics for years on end because it takes that long to become

01:23:55.300 intimately familiar with certain kinds of issues. So if you ask me a question about digital censorship

01:24:02.680 right now or First Amendment online questions, I'd probably not answer to that. But if it's about

01:24:09.200 immigration law, there's a huge mountain that you have to climb to know even the basics. And

01:24:16.660 there's lots of stuff that is not terribly well known, like changes in the Patriot Act to the

01:24:22.780 Immigration and Naturalization Act. These are a little tiny things that you have to know about the

01:24:27.520 difference between what's legal and what's not. And it takes not days or weeks, but sometimes

01:24:32.660 it takes months or years to have a clue. So for these reporters just to act like they know what

01:24:38.080 they're talking about, it's a huge window into the general cluelessness of the business about these

01:24:44.900 things. I have to say to me, it's unforgivable, Walter, because people who listen to this show

01:24:50.180 were not surprised by one word we just went through from the time I started my little soliloquy

01:24:56.000 to right now. They have heard me discuss this since this guy's name came up both on this show

01:25:01.220 and on our morning update news, because it actually like if you're gonna cover it, you

01:25:06.640 can. There are lots of things like we didn't go nose dive into the tariff policy because we

01:25:12.640 don't do a lot of economic news here. And I'm not an expert on that. I gave an interview to

01:25:16.260 the Daily Mail promoting something. And they kept asking me, are we going to go to a recession?

01:25:18.860 I'm like, what the fuck are you asking me for? I have no idea. What the hell would I know 0.98

01:25:22.440 for having a recession? And my point is, like, I know my lane and legal matters is 100 percent

01:25:28.940 within my lane. And this is understandable. But did I know that this guy had an order of

01:25:35.300 deportation and then that he got the suspension of removal just because of the El Salvadoran 0.99

01:25:40.720 sob story he gave? Yes, I did. You know why? I read. I did my homework before I reported on

01:25:47.240 it. And you could times that by a thousand if I were going to go show up curbside and try

01:25:52.240 to cross examine Stephen Miller. Oh, my God. They're lazy, Walter. They're lazy, which I

01:25:59.020 guess is not a sin in and of itself, though it kind of is. It's sloth. It's actually literally

01:26:02.760 a sin. But in any event, on top of just being slothful on their couches, they then show up

01:26:09.020 unprepared. And then they write articles about it, about how this guy's married to an American

01:26:15.400 and they screwed up. They never should have been deported without telling you he actually

01:26:20.440 did have a deportation order. He never mentioned his sob story until they are about to kick him

01:26:25.640 out. The gang that he got the deportation order suspended over no longer exists and that he is

01:26:32.480 Salvadoran. Like, what other country should we be sending him to since we have a valid deportation

01:26:38.340 order for the guy right now? Anyway, that's why it's so abhorrent to see them so stupid and 1.00

01:26:44.520 uninformed. Well, you know, they are uninformed. You are informed. The legalistic details of this 1.00

01:26:54.380 are fascinating. And I think you're correct in your analysis. But most Americans look at this and

01:27:00.300 they go, oh, this is a guy we want out of here who isn't supposed to be here. And this is why we need

01:27:05.780 Greenland. This is why we need our version of Siberia in the United States. We have to depend on 0.97

01:27:11.980 other countries to exile people. We need something that we own that nobody wants to go to where it's

01:27:17.660 really cold and really lonely that we can send people without all this legal fault role and we

01:27:23.280 want to get rid of them. And I think Northern Greenland, Interior Greenland is a great candidate 0.90

01:27:28.840 for that. Maybe, you know, in the old days, maybe would have been sent to dig the Panama Canal. Maybe we

01:27:35.060 need to make it a little deeper. I don't know. But England had Australia and we need something like that

01:27:39.980 at this point. Some third option to either ridiculous legal quagmires or, you know, total

01:27:47.620 deportation. I mean, I think that's what we found here in El Salvador. What my audience keeps emailing

01:27:52.780 me, and I do read the emails, you can email me at megankelly.com, is where's our due process?

01:27:59.700 Where's Lake and Riley's due process? Where's Jocelyn Nungaro's due process? Where's the due process of 1.00

01:28:04.360 the American citizens who are getting murdered by these criminals in our country? Every week you

01:28:09.960 read about these. The children who are getting molested, sexually molested. I will say the vast 0.70

01:28:15.540 majority of people who listen to and watch this show couldn't give a shit about Abrego Garcia's due 0.99

01:28:21.720 process. They don't care. So to your original point, Walter, it's a win-win for Trump. 0.99

01:28:27.680 The guy's argument for not wanting to go home was fear of crime. Well, that's our argument against

01:28:35.180 getting rid of him. And I say it being our country and him being a visitor, we win and we should win

01:28:42.100 quickly. Really, it is a horrible waste for all the fascination it provides. It's a horrible waste

01:28:48.060 of lawyers, money, and time to be worrying about cases like this. When there are tens of thousands of

01:28:57.200 them that are probably nearly this serious and then hundreds of thousands behind those.

01:29:04.400 Yeah. Well, we'll see. I mean, there's a bit of a, I don't know, fisticuffs now because they're both

01:29:10.240 like, I don't have the power. I don't have the power, which is a very interesting position because

01:29:14.400 what the Supreme Court did was they said facilitate, but they don't actually have to execute on it

01:29:19.660 and kicked it down to the lower court and said, you come up with an order that's consistent with

01:29:25.920 this order. And now I don't know what she's going to do. Cause like, this is, she's not going to be

01:29:30.760 able to force the El Salvadoran president to do anything. And our government's going to continue

01:29:35.420 to say, we don't have control over what the El Salvadoran government does. Anyway, we'll watch it

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01:32:46.080 So Bill Maher finally got back on his show and told us what happened when he went to the White House

01:32:51.640 and met with Donald Trump. I really, I like Bill Maher and I like going on his show,

01:32:56.360 but he definitely has been suffering from a case of the TDS. Once the TDS gets you, it's hard to come

01:33:01.680 out from under it, but I see shoots of grass mixing all sorts of metaphors. Um, I think he's

01:33:07.300 starting to come out from under it and to his credit, he went there. It was brokered by Kid Rock

01:33:12.680 and to his credit, President Trump allowed it, welcomed this, and was very gracious to Bill Maher,

01:33:20.560 who has been brutal about Trump for many years. So here's a bit of how Maher described the experience

01:33:29.620 in SOC 12. Everything I've ever not liked about him was, I swear to God, absent, at least on this

01:33:36.940 night with this guy. Bob, Kid Rock, told me the night before, he said, if you want to get a word

01:33:43.680 in edgewise, you're going to have to cut him off. He'll just go on. Not at all. I've had so many

01:33:48.460 conversations with prominent people who are much less connected, people who don't look you in the

01:33:54.040 eye, people who don't really listen because they just want to get to their next thing, people whose

01:33:59.760 response to things you say just doesn't track, like, what? None of that was him. And he mostly

01:34:07.280 steered the conversation to, what do you think about this? I know. Your mind is blown. So is mine.

01:34:12.860 I never felt I had to walk on eggshells around him. And honestly, I voted for Clinton and Obama,

01:34:18.960 but I would never feel comfortable talking to them the way I was able to talk with Donald Trump.

01:34:23.580 Pretty extraordinary, Walter. I'm starting to see the veil come down. He's starting to see the man

01:34:33.140 that a lot of us have seen for a long time now. If we don't have the TDS, you got it. It's hard.

01:34:39.820 If he comes out from the TDS, he might be one of the only ones to have ever actively had it

01:34:43.680 and then shed the disease. I really like Bill Maher and I've been on his show and I love talking to

01:34:50.200 him after you do the show. He usually throws a party. From talking to him, I've gotten to know

01:34:56.140 that he really believes what he says most of the time. And I'm sure he believes everything he's said

01:35:01.520 about Donald Trump. And he sounds genuinely surprised. And that was a huge risk for him

01:35:07.360 to go and to come back and to be that sincere and genuine. He's taking nonstop hell for it. I mean,

01:35:15.200 people are using every obscenity to tell him to go away right now. And I got, I kind of admire him

01:35:23.040 for it. You don't see actual risks taken in the media. They talk about audience capture. Everybody

01:35:28.240 ends up a slave to their audience's prejudices. Well, he, he took the risk of not being, and he

01:35:35.540 sounds a little like a kid, you know, who just danced with a girl and said, they're really not scary.

01:35:40.300 And they're not mean. They smell kind of good and they're soft all over. And that, and that

01:35:46.720 authenticity is touching to me. And boy, the abuse won't stop. Yeah, he was, he was pretty defensive

01:35:53.680 about that. Let me play stop 14. My favorite part of the whole night was we were standing in the

01:36:02.940 blowjob room. Bill Clinton's Monica Lewinsky room. And he said, you know, I've heard from a lot of 0.98

01:36:14.980 people who really, who really liked that we're having this dinner, not all, but a lot. And I

01:36:19.880 said, same. A lot of people told me they loved it, but not all. And we agreed the people who don't

01:36:26.340 even want us to talk. We don't like you. Don't talk as opposed to what? Writing the same editorial

01:36:33.660 for the millionth time and making 25 hour speeches into the wind. Really? That's what liberals have.

01:36:39.860 He takes the piss out of everybody else and we can hold ours. Okay. That's my report. You can hate me

01:36:47.380 for it, but I'm not a liar. Trump was gracious and measured. And why he isn't that in other settings,

01:36:52.780 I don't know. And I can't answer. And it's not my place to answer. I'm just telling you what I saw

01:36:57.900 and I wasn't high. That's the only, you know, Matt, I was trying to figure out how, uh, why this

01:37:08.640 doesn't irk me the way the, um, morning Joe trip to Mar-a-Lago irritated me. Cause that one I just

01:37:15.960 felt was performative. I really felt like they wanted access to a person in power who they had been so

01:37:21.480 unfair to for years. And they just, that show in general, it's just such a lie and so unfair.

01:37:28.040 And I don't feel that way about Bill Maher or his show at all. I think he's an honest broker

01:37:31.420 and he, he has, you know, Trump supporters on all the time. It's just, he, he isn't one,

01:37:38.120 he hasn't been one. So I, I agree that it was a courageous thing for him to do for both of them

01:37:42.180 to do. And I honestly, I give Trump tons of credit because Maher's been a chief antagonist.

01:37:47.800 Your thoughts. Well, in addition to being an honest broker and I think believing, um, what he

01:37:55.180 says and like Walter, I've been on his show and I've talked to Bill, uh, many times after the show

01:38:00.860 and always enjoyed just, uh, talking to him. He's also a natural comic. And I think one thing that

01:38:07.700 he really struggled with in the last eight years was the sheer quantity of laughable stuff that came

01:38:14.140 out of the quote unquote left that he was told he wasn't allowed to laugh about. And that, I think

01:38:21.120 that was a big factor for him, uh, you know, sort of being told that there are things that are off

01:38:26.360 limits and the not so veiled threat that if you even entertain the idea of, of calling Donald Trump

01:38:34.280 sane or a normal politician in public, that your career is going to be over. Now, Bill is just big

01:38:40.720 enough that he can avoid the fate that most everybody else who went there, uh, experienced.

01:38:46.500 And I, I think, you know, this thing that he did, I think it's a significant moment for, for media

01:38:52.540 because now there might be some other people who come out of the woodwork and say, you know what,

01:38:55.960 I'm just tired of saying the same stuff over and over again and not really fully believing it.

01:39:02.120 I wonder if it's going to change at all the way he covers the president, because

01:39:06.300 he's, he's definitely been tough on Trump. He's, he's very tough on Democrats too, by the way,

01:39:12.260 he hates wokeism. He's been a very strong ally in that battle, but usually on Trump,

01:39:16.980 he's saying something negative. And so I do wonder now if he'll start saying more positive things,

01:39:22.640 Walter, and if so, what happens with his audience? Bill's got a unique relationship to his audience.

01:39:29.120 He's always challenging them. Really? I mean, every Bill Marshal has something that's a little

01:39:34.560 uncomfortable for people, uh, that doesn't play to their prejudices or their, you know,

01:39:40.060 assumptions. So this is the biggest case of that yet. And, uh, I think his audience is going to stick

01:39:46.560 with him and I, and I, but I, I think he'll stay just as tough on Trump, but it will be more issues

01:39:51.080 based. I think he's going to say tough stuff on Trump or tough on Trump as well. He's just,

01:39:56.260 you know, he, he doesn't like Trump. I think that's still true, but I think he saw like a glimpse

01:40:02.160 of the man like that. We actually know like the real Trump and not the fighter who's out there

01:40:08.300 being attacked all the time. Who's got to be, you know, tough and is tough in return. And, you know,

01:40:14.060 Bill Maher among many others has thrown some very tough punches his way as well. So anyway,

01:40:17.960 I am in favor of the meeting. I feel very differently about it than I did about the Mar-a-Lago

01:40:21.300 kiss the ring of thon by members of the media who make their living tearing him down with lies.

01:40:27.760 That's not what Mar does. Anyway, guys, this was such a pleasure. Thanks for being here today on

01:40:32.920 this special Monday edition. Absolutely. Thanks Megan. Thank you, Megan. I see you soon. I forgot

01:40:40.300 to, I was so focused on my daughter Yarley's birthday today. I forgot to say happy one day belated

01:40:45.000 birthday. Strudwick. Yes. Strudwick brunt turned four and it's happening. He, no, it's not. He's still

01:40:51.560 very naughty. We'll see you tomorrow. Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show. No BS, 0.70

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The Megyn Kelly Show - April 14, 2025

Horrifying CNN Celebration of Luigi, Sanchez in Space, and Maher's White House Trip, with Walter Kirn and Matt Taibbi ｜ Ep. 1048

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