00:03:32.020we would be undressing next to this 6'4", 22-year-old man,
00:03:36.060fully intact was when we were inches away fully exposing themselves. Oh my gosh. Their inclusion
00:03:41.800means men get to punch women in the face for entertainment. We can see it's a man. Stop0.99
00:03:48.540gaslighting us. It is beyond time to stand up to the trans lobby. That means to deprive women0.97
00:03:54.220of their spaces and rights. This is not an issue that we can be silent on. Our children are
00:03:59.220literally being sterilized. It's not about empathy or being nice or any of that anymore. It's war.
00:04:05.320It's on. Those people who are hurting our kids are the enemy and we have to defeat them.
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00:04:38.520let's turn to the news. We have got updates today on Perez Helton. Did you see what happened with
00:04:43.060him the other night? I was sitting in my house and could not believe my eyes, could not believe
00:04:50.360the videos that were circulating from TikTok of Perez in what was obviously a mental health
00:04:56.880breakdown. It was shocking. TikTok is apologizing for not having listened. I guess it's automated
00:05:04.520like sensor saw that this was something deeply disturbing that should not go out. And I,
00:05:11.080it looks like a human may have overruled the automation and allowed it, uh, for far too long
00:05:17.680worth Perez Hilton, who's the celebrity blogger. He's, you know, he, he kind of reminds me of a
00:05:23.800Joan Rivers type, like very brutal in his takedowns of these celebrities, unsparing,
00:05:30.480but entertaining you know i mean we've always had these types in our society and they're i don't
00:05:36.520want to say harmless because they're not i know a lot of people do get hurt by this kind of
00:05:39.940commentary but to me they're relatively harmless i just kind of think there's there there's a role
00:05:46.480for this person in our society and if you're a celebrity you have to learn how to just shrug it0.92
00:05:52.180off and say he's like a shit stirrer that's a thing we have um whatever that's a judgment for0.99
00:05:59.700individuals to make but he he had looked like a suicide attempt on on camera and um we'll get0.98
00:06:10.720into the details of i've got a lot of thoughts on this actually even though i don't have a lot
00:06:14.560of thoughts on perez hilton himself i mean i've of course i know who he is i've followed him for
00:06:18.900many years just loosely being in the same general business which is on on camera work for media
00:06:25.620um very different neighborhoods of that of that world but i'm so deeply disturbed by it so in any
00:06:35.420event we'll talk about it in just a bit there's also uh some growing concern today about pop star
00:06:39.880and actress ariana grande and her well-being with her inner circle reportedly exploring treatment
00:06:46.180options now that broke today for the 33 year old we'll explain and jason our day we've been telling
00:06:53.100you about him for two weeks now. The youngest black professor in the history of the University
00:06:57.960of Cambridge has now resigned. He has resigned amid his, it's not just a plagiarism scandal now,
00:07:06.720it is a scandal involving every single aspect of his biography and whether one word of it
00:07:13.740is true. And this scandal is, it's well beyond this guy at this point. It is about all of the
00:07:21.580people, the elite academics at Cambridge and elsewhere, not to mention the woke Upper West
00:07:28.240Side types, all white women online who just dug in and defended him at every turn, notwithstanding
00:07:37.460the glaring red flags all over his resume. What is wrong with a system that A, hires a guy like
00:07:47.620this. And then B, when serious, serious smoke starts arising off of his resume, no one will
00:07:57.140see the fire. No one will even look to see if there's a fire. In fact, what we're now learning
00:08:02.580is that this guy, Jason Arde, was attacking the people who said, hey, I see smoke. There could
00:08:10.100be danger. A lot of smoke by calling the police on them. It's like somebody says, hey, your house
00:08:15.620may be on fire. I see smoke and you call the police on them. You're harassing me. You're
00:08:19.700being mean to me. And the police would say you're a lunatic if you did that in real life. But what0.98
00:08:26.100happened in the UK was the police started going after journalists who were trying to report on
00:08:32.740the fact that this guy seemed like he was a massive fraud and was in the midst of defrauding
00:08:39.820students at Cambridge, Cambridge administrators, though I have no empathy for them as victims
00:08:45.100because they were complicit, but it's crazy how the system worked together to protect him.
00:08:52.420Let me ask you, if you are not black and autistic, do you think they would have done the same for you?0.65
00:09:00.960Now there are questions about whether he even is autistic. I think he is black. I think that0.99
00:09:07.240is a piece of his bio that is held up and it is the explanation for virtually every question I
00:09:13.600just asked. Joining me now today, the first guest in the history of the Megyn Kelly show,
00:09:19.880Glenn Greenwald, Pulitzer Prize winning journalist and host of System Update on Substack.
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00:10:31.100my friend. This is a great story. I always feel like I'm at home here. Yeah. Yeah. It is amazing.
00:10:36.000Yes. Go ahead. Right. Jason Arday. Yes. You're our godfather, official podfather, godfather.
00:10:43.140And the thing about so there's a lot about this Jason Arday that just came out overnight.
00:10:47.340So Cambridge dug into the very last second. Late yesterday, it came out and said, OK, we've begun an investigation.
00:10:54.680We've had a few things come up that even we now have begun an investigation in particular.
00:11:00.560OK, it started off at at 1.40 p.m. Eastern. They said we have opened an investigation following new information about his academic qualifications and honorary appointments.
00:11:12.060They were aware of a number of ongoing complaints about academic misconduct, which are being handled.
00:11:18.480We're also aware that Jesus College in Cambridge will be taking their own steps in relation to some of these matters.
00:11:25.600I think that's where he worked. That was like the division in which he worked.
00:11:28.460And then within less than two hours later, he resigned.
00:11:34.080And I've got to read you some of the resignation post because it's so galling, Glenn.
00:11:56.020To become the youngest black professor in the university's history was something I could scarcely have imagined as a child growing up with a diagnosis of autism.0.95
00:12:05.680Unable to speak until I was 11 years old.
00:12:09.460The thousands celebrated not simply my appointment, but what it represented.
00:12:14.740That talent, perseverance, and hope can triumph over even the greatest adversity.
00:12:21.220Well, don't be so modest, Professor Arde.
00:12:24.520Sadly, the years since my appointment have also been marked by an unrelenting level of public scrutiny and personal attack.
00:12:33.120While criticism is an inevitable part of academic life, what I've experienced has gone far beyond scholarly disagreement.
00:12:41.200The relentless, again, there's that word, accusations, speculation, and public commentary have taken a profound toll on me and those I love.
00:12:48.720I have tried to continue because I believe deeply in the values of higher ed and rigorous scholarship.
00:12:54.520yada, yada, yada. But there comes a point when the personal cost becomes too great. I have a
00:13:00.880family. I want to be present for them. I want to reclaim some peace, some privacy, some semblance
00:13:06.040of an ordinary life. I no longer wish to feel as though I am living under a constant spotlight where
00:13:12.400every aspect of my life is subject to public examination and judgment. Okay. First of all,
00:13:18.720this is not how this goes, sir. You don't make yourself a star by going on all these podcasts
00:13:22.640and doing all these interviews and writing books and doing lectures
00:13:25.300and then say, oh, the scrutiny of the media glare.
00:14:45.840And what we get here is self-pity, no responsibility taken, no apology, just playing the victim.
00:14:54.900Your thoughts on the rise and fall of, quote, Professor Jason Arde.
00:15:00.940Yeah, you know, it's when you when I had when I learned that I was in that we were going to be talking about this story, I had a couple of points that I thought were kind of interesting about the dynamics that led to them.
00:15:10.740But then when you read the letter, I feel like I have to start with that.
00:15:13.520it is so mind-boggling that somebody who is facing as you said it's not just like one charge
00:15:20.160of plagiarism that he denies there's a long litany of very serious non-trivial questions
00:15:26.660about whether anything he has ever said about his life story that became such an integral part of
00:15:31.360his academic status about his scientific work about his written work it seems like huge parts
00:15:38.340of it are just false and fabricated, including things like I ran eight marathons in 10 days.
00:15:44.600And yet he's so incapable. And I think this is a very broad pathology, probably one of the worst
00:15:50.580ones plaguing, you know, 30 marathons in 35 days, 30 marathons in 35 days. And by the way,
00:15:58.840I was actually looking into it. He alleged that on the 21st day he fell and broke his leg,
00:16:05.860but managed to complete the next nine marathons on a broken line.
00:16:12.640Yeah, I mean, so that's the thing is it's like if you're faced with the litany of accusations,
00:16:18.060it's highly likely that some of them are going to be at least somewhat true.
00:16:34.820It's just pure victimhood. People are persecuting me. People are after me. I can no longer take after everything I've been through this kind of scrutiny that means that I want to go to my family. And I think this is a broader pathology that large institutions, you see it with COVID and Fauci and all these people who won't accept even an isolated case of error.
00:16:55.540So that is the thing that jumps out. And I think also in this context, so much of what happened, obviously, is that he's part of multiple victim groups. In fact, he kind of hit the jackpot. And those people in particular are never required to accept responsibility or blame because they're given victimhood status.
00:17:13.600That means whatever they did is excusable, which is actually a very condescending and
00:17:17.860patriotizing way of treating people for marginalized groups.
00:17:21.460But the thing is, Megan, this is what you were you kind of alluded to.
00:17:25.380It's not like this is just some, you know, mid-level or low-level community college.
00:17:42.580And I think obviously a reason is, is that they really were enamored of this story, which a lot of people like at first of, you know, a story of somebody who comes from very difficult circumstances and and succeeds.
00:17:53.860But in this case, it has to do with his race. It has to do with his background. It has to do with his immigrant status.
00:17:59.000And it just becomes hands off like, oh, we're not going to challenge him.
00:18:02.840We don't want to seem like we're racist or we're against people with this biography succeeding in our universities.
00:18:08.340So much of what's wrong with our institutions and our culture is evident in the story.
00:18:13.220Oh my gosh. It's, it's really, it's so telling when you go through it all. And I'm, and we're
00:18:18.320going to get to that in a second. I want to talk about just a couple, just a couple of the lies.
00:18:23.380The Free Beacon, which has also been doing great. A lot of people have been doing great work on
00:18:26.600this, including the Free Beacon. And they, he's got a memoir coming out or a book. He's got a
00:18:31.780book coming out. And they report that an initial version of his book published by Simon and
00:18:38.280Schuster and his speaker bio with Simon and Schuster, because he, I guess he, he speaks for
00:18:44.080them to stated that he has been a prolific fundraiser. I told the audience about this
00:18:49.140yesterday, raised over 5.5 million pounds for 80 national charities over a 20 year period.
00:18:55.140And he says, including the, this is how he did it among other ways, including by running 30
00:19:01.020marathons in 35 days, nine of which were allegedly with a broken leg, 300 miles in three days,
00:19:09.120and 600 miles in six days. Simon and Schuster quietly edited our day's bio at some point
00:19:15.340between May 19th and July 24th, 2025, 2025, Glenn, to remove the exact amount of money
00:19:22.780raised by our day and to omit any mention of the running feet. So this is very interesting because
00:19:30.120somebody went to him and said, you raised over 5.5 million pounds for 80 charities over 20 years.
00:19:36.180Like that's, that's actually quite a lot. How did you do that? And then the story started to change
00:19:41.820to, well, there were a lot of people involved and, um, I can't give you their names because
00:19:46.880everyone signed an NDA because, because people are so protective of not letting anyone know
00:19:52.880about their charitable work. Okay. Like that's not a thing where somebody's like,
00:19:57.660we're all going to run for children's cancer and we're going to raise a million dollars.
00:20:02.600Everyone sign NDAs, not disclosing our names. So that, okay. So that got removed. And then I did
00:20:08.960look this up about the running because I don't know anything about running. I don't run. Um,
00:20:14.240but it sounds completely not credible. All right. So here's what I found. If he were able to do 600
00:20:20.840miles in six days. This would put him among the world's top athletes. He would be a household
00:20:29.560name in the running community. These are considered elite ultra distance runners.
00:20:35.680And the community, as you will see if you look online, is extremely skeptical. No one has ever
00:20:42.540heard of this man. And it's a rather small circle of people who can do this and have done this. In
00:20:48.300In fact, the world record world record is six hundred and fifty miles in six days.
00:20:56.360It was done on a flat circuit with a large support team and medical help on 24 seven
00:29:18.580He works for the Times Higher Education,
00:29:21.160T.H.E. He was accused of harassment after he emailed a series of questions to the professor.
00:29:27.460Glenn, that was his sin. Mr. Grove said officers told him to stop contacting the professor
00:29:32.080because the professor's mental health had been affected by the questions.
00:29:37.800Then Arde also hired the law firm Carter Ruck, which suggested in a letter to T.H.E.
00:29:43.400that its apparent attack on Arde may be racially motivated. And that wasn't even the only time.
00:29:50.040He also reported a different academic critic to the police.
00:29:54.000That guy's name was Dr. David Harris, professor emeritus at Plymouth Marjohn University, and one of the first scholars to raise concerns about this guy already is a villain.
00:30:07.640You know, Megan, one of the one of the funniest things I've ever read in my life, and I still laugh about it to this day when I remember it, is that when Elizabeth Warren went to was hired by Harvard Law School, there started to be these articles protesting the lack of women of color or people of color on the faculties of our best law schools.
00:30:25.720And there was this survey and this law review article that said things are sort of starting to get better.
00:30:32.460And there was a footnote saying Harvard Law, for example, recently hired Elizabeth Warren, the first ever faculty member of Native American origin.
00:30:42.620And she got counted as a woman of color at Harvard that showed that the numbers were getting better.0.85
00:30:48.060There was a time in like 2020 when everybody understood the absolute insanity of wokeness.0.99
00:30:53.880And mostly, we've kind of moved beyond the most extreme versions.
00:30:58.660But in these academic institutions, where they came from, basically, where they were created and disseminated, they thrive almost as strongly.
00:31:06.400And what this basically is, it's so obvious, is that in part, these people who made him into an academic star are now the people who are supposed to investigate it.
00:31:15.100And they don't want to admit that they were part of these gross errors because it's not just him.
00:35:01.100they did not defend the remaining integrity of academia. Instead, they only confirmed the ugly
00:35:07.340stereotypes that are whispered about black scholars that they cannot do the work and that0.97
00:35:12.280the bar must be lowered. This is the price that blacks who choose the path of merit must pay for0.98
00:35:18.820the cowardice of the weak who play the black power white guilt coin. So good. So true. Yeah. And this1.00
00:35:28.800is you know this is something i think you and i have talked about this before this is something
00:35:32.120embedded in left-wing culture that masquerades is defending marginalized groups but in reality has a
00:35:38.620very kind of paternalistic view of them i remember 10 years ago when i was at the intercept we were
00:35:45.240talking about having journalists participate in the comment section because it builds community
00:35:49.320and people came along and said that's easy for you to say but we have people of color who are
00:35:54.820journalists and females who are journalists and the comment sections can be really vitriolic and
00:35:59.580they shouldn't be expected to confront that as though women people of color can't handle0.99
00:36:06.000critical or harsh comments on the on the internet only white people can and they didn't realize how
00:36:13.480actually racist that is and there's so many examples like that where they'll try and you
00:36:19.140provide this kind of theory that women are not really strong enough to withstand the normal1.00
00:36:25.520rigors of political discourse and political argument. And here, this is exactly what this1.00
00:36:30.240is all based on, the idea that if you have a black academic star and somebody starts scrutinizing
00:36:40.660their record, it can't be because they're doing it for the same reason academic records get
00:36:46.100scrutinized all the time because they might be have errors in them they might have misled
00:36:49.960there might be plagiarism no it has to be racism and this is as you say this is what demeans
00:36:56.300the accomplishments of actual black scholars they are saying basically improving all the time
00:37:01.220we have black scholars climb the ladder not because they're great scholars but because they're
00:37:05.460black and that's what we want and then you have you know black scholars and you'll hear this from1.00
00:37:10.080black people all the time who say the fact that they're doing that demeans my own accomplishments
00:37:14.540because people assume that I too climbed the ladder of success, not because I had the merits0.66
00:37:19.900or accomplishments to do it, but because I was black and it was kind of grease for me and nobody
00:37:24.380really stood in my way. It's, it's actually, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's racism masquerading as
00:37:30.380liberal enlightenment and it's made me sick for so long. Yes. Yes. Go back. I mean, I guarantee
00:37:35.860you go back and take a look at Thomas Sowell's early academic writings. You're not going to find
00:37:39.800a bunch of plagiarism and fraud in his bio. You're just not. You're not going to find that
00:37:44.660with Glenn Lowry either. It's take any Supreme Court justice and see how they did in law school
00:37:49.960or what papers they wrote or their law review articles that they wrote for their journal.
00:37:53.300They're not going to be full of plagiarism and like white, black, female or male. This is not
00:37:58.400a thing for true academics. True academics, as they're rising up the ladder, understand the
00:38:03.320rules perfectly and follow them. That's generally how people who are very, very successful in these
00:38:08.660fields anyway, maybe not in tech, uh, get successful. That's how they do it. They play
00:38:14.000by the rules. They work harder. They have a need for approval that actually they turn around in
00:38:19.300this world and make really work for them. And they choose industries where that that's perfect.
00:38:23.580You know, you, you can get promoted based on pleasing others with excellent work. You know,
00:38:29.260like there are a lot of industries where that's still a thing. And that's a great thing. Uh,
00:38:33.000this guy was a fraud and managed to sort of come in sideways to this industry because1.00
00:38:37.840he had certain qualifications that that women like his boss at Cambridge, who looks like a fool,1.00
00:38:45.100really enjoyed. Do we have this lady? She's. Yeah, we got her. You'd play the soundbite.0.99
00:38:51.420Here she is talking to him. Professor Jason Alday was diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder at the
00:38:57.980age of three. He couldn't speak until he was 11 and read or write until he was 18. Therapists
00:39:04.560predicted he would need full-time assistance throughout his life how wrong they were and now
00:39:10.560jason is days away from achieving another ambition here's his new boss at cambridge part of his
00:39:19.520research will look at new ways to make higher education more accessible for everyone what can
00:39:26.200we do to ensure that this isn't a market appointment in five years time how can this become the norm
00:39:31.440we've listened to the voices of our black scholars and our black students and some of it has not been
00:39:39.040easy to hear to be honest but we're able to face up to some of the structural issues that people
00:39:47.740that people face there will be those i think this is a tokenistic appointment what are your thoughts
00:39:52.420on this the board of electors it is interview day were absolutely unanimous we are so lucky to have
00:40:00.740you uh you are the best in the world in terms of the research that you do oh my god glenn her name
00:40:09.180is professor hillary cremin c-r-e-m-i-n you can it's just it it's oozing off of her this0.53
00:40:17.020condescension you know this boot licking which she would do for no she would do for no other0.83
00:40:22.540new professor there he gets to cross-examine her on how this is not going to be seen as tokenism
00:40:27.640it is tokenism so that's how it will be seen and and you've got professors at cambridge running
00:40:33.220around on the record saying that's exactly why you were hired as for the it was unanimous what
00:40:38.940an amazing exceptional scholar you are here's just a couple of new evidence posts this is from the
00:40:44.300uk times last night all right it's important to offer the actual example so people understand0.85
00:40:49.020this is not just made up shit that he that he was a fraud that his stuff is made up but our0.70
00:40:54.600criticisms aren't. This is, again, the UK Times, they find their analysis of his writings find0.99
00:41:00.520his assertions literally impossible in instance after instance. So this is, okay, one of his
00:41:08.340papers. In one of his papers, he quotes a Latin American academic as saying, quote,
00:41:14.520my understanding of English is improving daily. Sometimes I struggle to articulate clearly and
00:41:20.600accurately what I would like to say to the health care professionals provided at university. Nice.
00:41:26.640OK, kind of anodyne, whatever. There was just one issue, reports the paper. Three years prior,
00:41:31.500he had attributed this exact same quote to an Asian female undergraduate, not a Latin American
00:41:38.940academic. The exact quote, Glenn. We talked about this one yesterday, about how he gave a webinar
00:41:46.360in July, 2020, talking about a paper that he was about to publish. And he referred to a participant
00:41:51.260who took their own life, reading out this person's quote, detailing the violence of these racialized0.72
00:41:56.760cultures in the academic world. Then he did publish the paper. He used near identical quotes.
00:42:01.700And weirdly, there was no reference to this person committing suicide. That seems like kind of an
00:42:06.580important detail where you're talking about the violence of racialized cultures in the academic
00:42:10.900world. Why would you not then talk about the fact in your written paper, the man wound up taking his
00:42:15.900own life seems relevant, no? And then in one paper titled Attempting to Break the Chain,
00:42:21.720Reimagining Inclusive Pedagogy and Decolonizing the Curriculum Within the Academy, he says he
00:42:27.880interviewed a sample of 17 participants, but a breakdown of their races, genders, and jobs adds
00:42:32.460up to 18. Well, okay, anybody can make a mistake like that, right? Maybe he was just off by one.
00:42:36.940Further oddities appear, they write. He quotes four distinct academics, but says he only
00:42:41.300only interviewed three. He quotes five mixed heritage participants, but interviewed only
00:42:46.600four. He attributes a quote to participant number 21 in a study that only interviewed 17 or 18.
00:42:52.520Similar issues appear in five studies. Pick a paper, any paper, and you will find it littered
00:43:01.980with these so-called innocent errors, Glenn. Yeah. And there's what I mean, Megan, you know,
00:43:06.800they weren't just saying like, oh, look at how amazing it is that he made it to the faculty.
00:43:11.300They were trying to promote him as some kind of like generationally brilliant scholar doing the kind of scholarly work that very few academics ever are able to actually achieve.
00:43:23.120So in order to you would think that if you actually were an academic and you were heaping praise on somebody's scholarly work that way, you would have a very in-depth understanding of it.
00:43:37.800It probably word of mouth about how brilliant he is.
00:43:40.040And then they just went with it. And I think, again, if you go back to any faculty or any any campus these days, and again, I think we have passed some of the worst, you know, woke insanities.
00:43:54.660Nothing there has changed, if anything, it's regressed. And so this idea that there's some woman using that kind of condescending tone saying, no, you are one of the most brilliant appointees.
00:44:04.040This is obviously such a fraud. And I actually think that academic institutions are important. I think having great universities is a really important thing for society. It is so tragic what has been done to our universities, the way in which the cheapest, just kind of most corrupted politics have been have contaminated every component of hiring and rules for discourse and how classrooms are are conducted.
00:44:31.080And again, I mean, if Cambridge can shoot this guy up the ladder, despite zillions of red flags that basically they chose not to see because they thought it was racist to investigate him.
00:44:43.180It's such a sad indictment on on our major Western institutions of universities.
00:44:48.180Completely. I want to I want to tell you that.
00:44:51.700So now some of the people are actually questioning now this origin story, whether he really did have autism, whether it was Asperger's, as he later claimed it was.
00:45:01.080whether he really was nonverbal entirely until he was 11, whether he couldn't read or write
00:45:08.940one word until age 17 or 18. Of course, there's reason to doubt all of this because he's told
00:45:15.380way too many lies to count. He's obviously a serial fabulist, a pathological liar. That1.00
00:45:21.820seems clear. Now, as we speak, Benjamin Ryan, who I just mentioned, independent journalist,
00:45:27.720he posts the following online does jason arday actually have epilepsy yet another disability
00:45:35.140he claims he's been laboring under in his memoir jason arday claims to have developed epilepsy
00:45:40.220after being savagely beaten at a bus stop at age 18 he claims he wears a medical alert bracelet
00:45:45.840that tracks his whereabouts but i can find no evidence in any photo that he wears such a
00:45:51.480bracelet so it does make you wonder whether that too is a lie yesterday we touched on this briefly
00:45:57.640Glenn, but he also has been since this story broke. And what tracks with his resignation letter,
00:46:04.560you know, poor me, I need to find some peace. It's too high a price. This has been relentless.
00:46:10.180Spend time with my family. Yes. He also seems to have been making up stories of a harassment
00:46:17.380that he claims have broken since this story broke, which that seems right on on brand for him,
00:46:25.080Right. Like now, allegedly, the evil racists who are everywhere are getting even racistery all over him.
00:46:32.240He claims to have been threatened and assaulted multiple times.
00:46:35.280A panic button was installed in his office after he claimed this after the alleged first encounter with a masked assailant that weirdly was not reflected on any of the CCTV covering the university.
00:46:48.540And he claims to have pushed the button, but no one came.
00:46:52.720So Cambridge was now ignoring the panic button calls of its favored black professor who had already said he was attacked.
00:47:01.620But he pressed the panic button and they were like, eh, eh.
00:47:06.300Similar to how the palace told Meghan Markle when she said, I'm about to kill myself, that they couldn't help her and she'd have to walk away and deal with it on her own.
00:47:20.220Same day of the second attack in quotes. He continued with his working day and conducted a
00:47:25.540Ph.D. Viva for a student less than two hours later. Not to mention the intruder was not picked
00:47:31.020up on any campus cameras. So these are two alleged incidents. And then he claimed that a severed pig's
00:47:35.340head was sent to his home that he immediately threw it away. He had no evidence of it, Glenn,
00:47:40.480but trust him. Someone sent a severed pig's head to him and only told the police about it months
00:47:46.040later, but then claimed that they did conduct an investigation. The Guardian, because all of this
00:47:52.500is being dismissed as a right wing press operation. The Guardian. OK, that's basically as left as the
00:47:57.800intercept. The Guardian went to all the butchers in town. No one knew anything about a severed
00:48:03.020pig's head. Didn't sell one. Didn't none of that. And went to the police who said, absolutely not.
00:48:08.260We have never investigated such a thing. This guy watched too many episodes of The Godfather.
00:48:12.360he believed the thing with the horse's head in the bed he changed into a pig's head outside of
00:48:16.840his front door but now this is a defense mechanism and he's suggesting like suicidal thoughts you've
00:48:23.760the university others have come out saying they're worried he's going to commit suicide stop
00:48:28.860back off they're playing that card glenn as though we're the villains for looking into this
00:48:34.540it's really the worst expression of left-wing culture the thing that has alienated so many
00:48:39.380I mean, if you go – I was just listening to all of the different examples you cited of where he either lied or seems to have made claims about something that happened to him that have no evidence.
00:48:49.480Each one of them, what they have in common is it's a form of victimhood, right?
00:48:53.720Like even the autism, even all these diseases he claims he has, these attacks on him because victimhood, this kind of victimhood is the currency of how you get social capital in academic circles,
00:49:07.060as an academic institution and left-wing circles.
00:49:09.740You know, I don't know how often you interact
00:55:14.460Obviously, this woman's got problems. And what's really crazy about this report is that they they reportedly her people reportedly are they're not going to rush her off to rehab or whatever she's going in for right now.
00:55:32.620they want to wait. They think that she should be allowed to complete her tour and, you know,
00:55:41.020sort of finish her public appearances. And then then they're going to encourage her to go into
00:55:46.360some sort of wellness program or treatment program, because let's face it, everyone needs1.00
00:55:52.720to get paid off of the juggernaut that is Ariana Grande. You know, what's amazing to me is that
00:55:59.960it'd be one thing if she just showed up at some talk show or a word show and her extremely
00:56:06.760emaciated condition were noticeable this happened in a music video that was produced obviously with
00:56:16.120all kinds of money and very well accomplished people they could have edited it they could have
00:56:21.600you know i don't know covered it up did not did no one notice that she was it was like it wasn't
00:56:28.120just like oh she looks a little thin it was shocking to watch i don't she almost looked
00:56:33.140like an auschwitz victim you know when you've seen them come out and every bone that shouldn't be
00:56:37.600visible is visible yeah that scene is it with that dress and also they dressed her in a way
00:56:44.780that made it visible too so why would they do that now obviously i don't know for sure what
00:56:50.460the eating disorder is obviously people speculate it's anorexia it could be a different kind of
00:56:54.740health problem that causes that kind of severe weight loss, but there's really something going
00:56:58.800very wrong. And how many times have we seen that celebrities of this stature who are just
00:57:04.720constantly working in the public eye, you know, put it, as you said, so many people depend on them
00:57:09.980for all kinds of money and profit, want to keep them, you know, running like a workhorse like
00:57:13.920they did with Michael Jackson. How many of them end up in these kinds of debilitated conditions?
00:57:19.660It's really kind of a sad indictment of our celebrity industry and everything else. But
00:57:23.240But at the end of the day, she's an adult, and it's just very hard to understand how somebody surrounded by all these management teams and studios and directors could have allowed it to get to this point where not just she saw and that it's her condition, but the whole public saw.
00:57:38.220Yeah. You know, she's 33 years old now. She was, of course, a former child star. We talked about her last year when the whole Nickelodeon scandal became household news with that one executive having sexualized every young girl, Jamie Lynn Spears, Ariana Grande, many others who came on Nickelodeon, these young, sweet girls who he tried to turn into soft porn stars.
00:58:06.900and of course they were so young they didn't realize half the time what he was having them do
00:58:11.840maybe they did realize i don't know but either way it was completely exploitative and then of
00:58:16.620course there were actual pedophiles running around nickelodeon as well actual pedophiles0.66
00:58:20.900as well and she came up at nickelodeon and she was one of the girls they asked to do very
00:58:27.260inappropriate scenes we have the one cut i mean it's all it almost requires a viewer warning
00:58:32.040Not really, but it's from Nickelodeon. And here's a very young Ariana Grande being completely0.95
00:58:37.100exploited in Sot 13. Sometimes I wonder if you can get juice from a potato.1.00
00:58:50.040Did that air on Nickelodeon? Come on, give up the juice. Yikes. I'm thirsty.
00:58:59.160In another video, Ariana's pouring water on herself in what seems like a very sexual manner.
00:59:04.220And people started saying, this feels inappropriate for children.
00:59:09.000Oh, my God. Alexa Nichols was another one. She came on the show and told us everything.
00:59:14.080We'll get the episode number if you guys want to go back and watch it.
00:59:16.680But that was a documentary called Quiet on Set.
00:59:18.500But there's a reason 99% of parents say no to putting their child in front of the camera at a very young age.
00:59:29.160or in front of a microphone, as was done to Justin Bieber, et cetera.
00:59:33.080You could not pay me enough money to put my kids in, like, especially in the Hollywood machine,
00:59:38.480given everything we know about the just utter immorality and the exploitation that takes place
00:59:44.400on every last level there and has for decades. And all you have to do is look at the people who
00:59:48.880became child stars in some way or another. It's almost inevitable that they end up,
01:03:16.340Then they come out, as Link said, and he's like, how dare you?
01:03:19.320This is not a matter for public discussion.
01:03:22.340Actually, it really is because women like her and the way she looks influences huge numbers of young girls, especially all over the world.1.00
01:03:30.880And that is an extremely sickly and unhealthy look.
01:03:33.580of course we should be talking about that and look i i'm sorry i was just saying to the team
01:03:38.560in the break like if you want if you want to not have anybody comment on your looks there are so
01:03:45.480many jobs in which that will absolutely be easy you know i worked as a telemarketer before i went
01:03:52.640to law school i loved it it was actually i made a decent amount of money and i was not bad and um
01:03:57.940nobody commented on my looks nobody had a thought on my looks no one could even see me it was on
01:04:02.640the telephone. I could have kept doing something like that. But if you're going to put yourself
01:04:06.840on camera for a living, you have to expect that some people are going to make comments
01:04:11.220about your looks. I think the general bargain most people are thinking is they either won't
01:04:17.280comment or to the extent they do comment, the majority of comments will be nice or neutral.
01:04:23.980Concerned or concerned, not like malicious, but yes, I'm worried about her.
01:04:28.560not like percentage won't be of course welcome to the internet right that's life it's not really a
01:04:35.800you thing it's a it's a life thing and you really especially if you're going to be as big a star as
01:04:41.180ariana grande like you're going to have to expect it thin fat they'd be saying the same things if
01:04:46.120she were fat like it could whatever but her appearance is striking now it's striking when
01:04:52.460you see somebody's bones protruding like what's happening with demi more you have to comment i
01:04:57.360mean it's like what's i see it and if you don't call it out it does feel a little like normal
01:05:02.420helping her normalize it which we do definitely do not want with a bunch of young impressionable
01:05:07.880women who are her biggest fans that's what her fan base is all these young girls um okay so this1.00
01:05:14.880is actually a good lead-in into the perez hilton discussion so perez hilton two nights ago went on
01:05:24.260tiktok and filmed himself it was a live stream and he was sort of writhing semi-dancing on camera
01:05:35.800covered in blood he looked like ariana grande looked exactly exactly exactly right in terms
01:05:45.080of the blood coverage at cover and he had everywhere he had one of those knives that we
01:05:51.600all use to cut like an uncut loaf of bread, like a long, you know, 10 inch blade. I did not see a
01:05:59.760serrated edge, but there may, there may have been before we show you the video. I'm just going to
01:06:04.040tell you that it's disturbing. We're not showing you the raw video. We blurred it, but you can see
01:06:08.840enough that it's, you get what happened. And, um, here it is. We took the sound out cause it's,
01:06:15.380it's just extra disturbing he's taking this knife and he's rubbing it across his stomach his neck
01:06:22.840the back of him and he's making sounds that sound almost sexual uh while he does it it doesn't it's
01:06:32.300not exactly like cries of pain to me it sounded almost sexual and i think that's by design he's
01:06:38.960trying to make it sound sort of titillating and the soundtrack on what was aired is as follows
01:06:45.280goes, I'm surprised TikTok lets this stay. Fuck, he yells. You fucking ugh. Stay, he means online.1.00
01:06:55.200And he says, ah, ah, as he's cutting himself. Yeah, it hurts, but it feels so good too.
01:07:02.120Then this is the part we have to discuss. I'm a fucking parasite loser, he says.1.00
01:07:08.540This is what you all wanted. Then he goes on to say, you know, it would be interesting to see1.00
01:07:14.560what happens after you die. Then he has three people join him on his live stream. Maybe this
01:07:19.520is a show he does because three other people come on and seem absolutely shocked. They know him.
01:07:24.300They clearly work with him to see what he's doing. They say, Perez, what the F are you doing?
01:07:29.960And he says, committing suicide. And they say, no, no, no, that's not what we're doing here.
01:07:34.240And he says, yes, it is. And then they called the authorities. The authorities came were in,
01:07:42.700I don't know if we should use the word standoff, but they were in a situation outside the house
01:07:46.280for quite some time where they thought it would only escalate the situation if they went in.
01:07:51.040So they must have heard or known something to lead them to that conclusion and eventually did
01:07:55.180go in after quite some time, got him, he was alive and brought him to the hospital where he
01:07:59.620remains. His family says that they are relieved he's talking. They said he's able to communicate,
01:08:06.240which has given them hope. They say information about his condition remains limited. He continues
01:08:11.920to recover. Now, to me, Glenn, this is like, it's very sad. And I absolutely wish Perez well.
01:08:23.080And I feel very sad about how he got here and what he did and that he felt that he had no other
01:08:29.760option. But this is obviously the meltdown of a human being. But I also can't help but notice
01:08:36.540that it is, in a way, the perfect period at the end of, not the end of a life, but at the end of
01:08:44.460a chapter, a long chapter of what I hope will be a long life. And that chapter is life on the
01:08:50.900internet, life almost solely on the internet, where rather than touching grass and walking
01:08:59.800through woods and swimming in lakes, you are online all the time doing the lowest thing
01:09:10.480possible for your spirit, which is viciously, viciously mocking random celebrities, right?
01:09:20.300It's fine. I mean, they put themselves out there. Again, as I'm saying, it's their fair game,
01:09:24.940But Perez Hilton really has made a business of going to the lowest places, outing various LGBT people, posting naked photos of like Jennifer Lawrence that she did not bless or sanction.
01:09:40.460He's gone after so many huge celebs so pointedly that it's really impacted them.
01:09:45.740Like Jennifer Aniston called him out and she's been the subject of nonstop tabloid coverage.
01:09:50.020but he is the one who got to her and he's he's apologized for it many times only to then start
01:09:56.860doing it again he's i'm not trying to demonize Perez in any way i'm saying this is his journey
01:10:02.000and he himself seems to have you know he said he found god not long ago he had a bad case of
01:10:06.820sepsis and said i found god and it's real and he found me but then he kind of goes back and i just
01:10:13.480think there's a consequence to one's mental health in spending your life day after day after day in
01:10:19.700a toxic industry online where the clicks the likes and all that are never going to be enough
01:10:25.580for you and the vitriol will always feel like it outweighs the kindness yeah i could not agree more
01:10:34.260he was one of the kind of ogs of the like who became an internet celebrity through this kind
01:10:40.220of blog you know it was like a blog about uh celebrities about the entertainment industry
01:10:45.080very gossipy lots of speculative blind items and stuff not exactly rewarding or fulfilling work
01:10:50.520and as a result he became very polarizing so he's not only been on the internet for a long time he's
01:10:56.640been doing a kind of work that as you say it's just kind of like the bottom of the barrel it
01:11:02.100can't be very uh rewarding but then also it produces a lot of hate from people in hollywood
01:11:08.140from people who think what you're doing is kind of scummy he's been at the middle of a lot of
01:11:11.320internet controversies and when you have a life that is almost entirely emerged from the internet
01:11:18.600first and then social media and it doesn't seem like you have much else going on while i think
01:11:24.420the internet has been a net plus social media and people who are just always online especially in
01:11:31.320the middle of things that they may not handle very well right like in in our profession you get
01:11:37.160attacks and negative uh criticism and insults all the time that can be pretty vicious but you
01:11:42.680develop a thin skin and it's not really the only thing you're doing thick skin yeah sorry a thick
01:11:48.180skin uh and you learn how to to deal with it and not take it really personally he just seems to be
01:11:53.280the kind of person who was such a child of the internet like almost inextricably linked with
01:11:57.580the worst parts of it obviously i don't know what else is going on in his life i unfortunately saw
01:12:03.140that video before it was blurred when it first came. I can't remember the last time I've seen
01:12:09.280something so viscerally horrifying. I mean, that was a state of human existence that is very rare
01:12:15.800and very difficult to get to. And I can't help also, as you suggested, think that there's a
01:12:21.640strong component of it that is this social media, like just the dregs of the internet in which he's
01:12:29.340resided for so long. Yes, yes. One must rescue oneself from that place. As he's spoken out over
01:12:36.980the years about his depression, which he has admitted has been extreme, severe at times.
01:12:43.960That was the time for people around him. And I understand his mother is still in the picture and
01:12:48.080helps him raise his three kids who he had. They're his biological children who he had via surrogate.
01:12:52.140um he's a gay man um his mother's still around like somebody needed to go to him and say Perez0.62
01:13:00.640you got to find a different way to make a living the internet is not for you you know it's it was0.53
01:13:08.120um Scarlett Johansson pretty sure Scarlett Johansson who when asked why why don't you
01:13:17.120have a big like instagram or online presence said i i'm not strong enough for that like i'm too
01:13:24.620tender hearted i thought i love that answer i totally get that that it's not for everyone
01:13:30.040this business that we do certainly where you're in politics basically which is not not beanbag
01:13:35.300his business you know celebrity commentary can get very ugly too these pr people are just as
01:13:43.900vicious as they're the commentators are and they will cut they will cut you um it's not for everyone
01:13:50.500and i think somebody needed to go to perez earlier and say perez there are other ways to make a
01:13:55.460living you know he just moved from las vegas to miami where i guess he grew up and it's not his
01:14:00.600real name but um i hope that's the message he walks away with and i hope he genuinely just
01:14:05.400unplugs and says you know what the internet is a toxic stew that we are not forced to consume
01:14:10.820you know without invading his privacy and whatever he wants to keep secret he has the right to i i
01:14:15.620do think it's worthwhile to try and understand why that happened because it's not just that he
01:14:20.360did something he was depressed or even ended up killing himself the state of human existence that
01:14:26.540he was in that you watched if you watched that video that is something i mean genuinely terrifying
01:14:33.580it's like you have to be pushed very very far mentally to do what he was doing and i do think
01:14:40.040it's trying it's worth trying to figure out whether there's something about social media
01:14:43.340and the internet and the entertainment industry that and and that the the the kind of internet
01:14:48.600factory precincts in which he resided for so long that caused that because that was not just a
01:14:54.060breakdown that was something i i don't know i haven't seen many things like that before
01:14:58.400no it was it was a next level meltdown and cry for help yeah uh my team sent me the scarlett
01:15:04.960johansson quote uh i honestly am too fragile a person to have social media i can't my ego is
01:15:12.400too fragile my brain is too fragile i'm like a delicate flower i actually really appreciate that
01:15:18.840good for her realizing that you know like yeah for accepting that and not needing the constant
01:15:24.860attention of social media i i respect that me too totally um i'm sure it's he is not a delicate
01:15:33.440flower, but it's one of the reasons I think Tucker no longer goes on social media because
01:15:39.160though he's not a delicate flower, he doesn't enjoy consuming all the nonsense and the hatred.
01:15:45.940And I think he wants to protect his brain too. He doesn't want to be like misguided or misled.
01:15:50.780And he wants to curate his sources of information more. I don't think our brains are constructed or
01:15:56.760designed or our mental health is to have this endless, you know, continuous, intense receipt
01:16:04.560of extremely hateful and critical attacks on your character, on the things you said.
01:16:10.100I do think protecting yourself from that is important because I just don't think our brains
01:16:14.080are designed to handle that well. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I get asked that question all the time.
01:16:19.520Like, how do you take it? How do you take it? And I say the truth, which is I don't enjoy it. And
01:16:24.140it's, I am not immune to it. Like I, I'd love to be able to tell you like, oh, it doesn't affect
01:16:28.760me at all. Whatever. No, it does affect me. I don't like it at all. It bothers me, but that's
01:16:33.920kind of not the test in our industry. The test is, do you keep going or not? And you do have to keep
01:16:38.420going. You must keep going. You cannot let people who are attacking you silence you. That's a
01:16:43.100different story. Um, okay. So speaking of people in our industry, Whoopi Goldberg would like you
01:16:49.260to know. She gets a huge paycheck, huge over at The View, but she's still just a common person
01:16:56.600who works for a living. I'm not sure where she's going with this, but let's listen together.
01:16:59.920SOT 23. What made you even want to get on that show? I needed a job. You know what I mean?
01:17:05.620I needed a job. Barbara offered me a job. She said, we just lost one of the people on the show.
01:17:12.360would you uh consider coming over and i had been doing a radio show yeah and i said absolutely
01:17:19.740yeah and so she brought me over and it's like i've been crazy glued to that chair oh my gosh
01:17:26.500what do you love about it because i mean first of all the show is called i love the check i can
01:17:33.280only imagine what that check is no no you can't no trust me you can't you would be shot listen
01:17:42.580you would be welcome to the view i can play her guys no yeah but as soon as they showed you that
01:17:49.080check you'd be like what the that's incredible yeah i love it you know it is what it is
01:17:56.060okay i can't totally tell there if she's suggesting it's incredibly large or incredibly
01:18:02.600small. But Yashar Ali, independent journalist, is reporting that he did reporting on Whoopi not
01:18:09.920long ago and she was getting paid six million dollars a year. So if she's lamenting it's too
01:18:17.320strong, she's a fool. It's too it's too low. She's a fool. And if she's lamenting or bragging that0.99
01:18:25.720it's too big, she's unlikable. I mean, either way, this is not a great comment, but she actually
01:18:31.300goes on to just suggest she understands the plight of working people out there right now, Glenn,
01:18:37.360because she's just a working girl and she needs to work. This is the point that she was making
01:18:43.540in this podcast. I work for a living and therefore I understand people who are having a hard time.
01:18:51.940I appreciate that people are having a hard time. Me too. I work for a living. If I had all the
01:18:56.500money in the world, I would not be here, okay? So I'm a working person, you know? My kid has to
01:19:01.320feed her family. My great-granddaughter has to be fed by her family. I know it's hard out there.0.96
01:19:06.720I don't think she does. I don't think she does a thing. Glenn, your thoughts?
01:19:11.680You know, I saw the Yashar Ali post too, and it was based on this Hollywood Reporter
01:19:15.880article that summarized that interview you just showed, and it was very definitive that she was
01:19:20.740saying, my salary is so incredibly abundant and gigantic at the view that you would be shocked
01:19:27.680if you actually saw it. Like that was just the interpretation they assumed she meant. And
01:19:31.880who goes around saying that? Like, you won't believe how much money I'm making. It would
01:19:37.420shock you. I'm so rich. There was like, yeah, I'm so rich. I have infinite money. But the reason why
01:19:44.520I wasn't sure that it was that was because about a year ago or a year and a half ago, and I noticed
01:19:49.020this i don't know why i noticed things that are uh gross about the view she was talking at that
01:19:54.500table and she was saying i understand the plight of the working of working people and the you know
01:20:01.240groceries and the inflation that they're facing and someone's like how do you understand that you
01:20:06.560haven't had that in 50 years and she's like you're absolutely wrong i i don't have to make enough
01:20:10.620money here to to retire i have to work i have people to to support so she was there claiming
01:20:17.320for my stature as an Oscar-winning woman,
01:20:20.240a woman who used to be on the A-list in Hollywood,
01:20:22.540I make very little here to the point where I can't even quit,1.00
01:20:45.940dollars which makes me part of the working class to the point where I understand their plight0.98
01:20:50.520when you've been a so I don't know which is worse Megan was she boasting about how much money she
01:20:55.320makes or lamenting that she didn't make more even though it's like so much more than anybody ever0.99
01:21:00.380makes yeah no I I just watching the whole context it sounds like she was bitching that it was too
01:21:06.620small and Yashara is a good reporter if he's got it a couple years ago at six million dollars a
01:21:11.680year that's probably about where it is right she's been doing it for 20 years so I think she's not
01:21:15.580you know, in the, in the poor house, I think she's doing just fine, but I guess thinks she's
01:21:21.080entitled to more. I would, I would beg to differ. I mean, it's just the ratings of that show do not
01:21:26.000support paying her anymore. She can't, no one there can solo. It's an ensemble cast. No one's
01:21:31.440running to offer whoopie her own talk show. Nevermind a Sonny Hauston who's never been able
01:21:36.280to single in her life. Um, so you know, you're making, if you're making $6 million a year,
01:21:41.220audience yeah yeah exactly i just i i just just go back and watch that one if you haven't seen
01:21:46.640it from 18 months ago where she was like i i am part of the working class i understand the
01:21:50.900struggles of working people because i also have to come into work every day to make a paycheck i
01:21:55.280also can't afford to retire and it's the most out of touch thing you've ever heard anybody say
01:22:01.120it's so ridiculous except perhaps for megan markle's comments about how small her castle is
01:22:08.240and we should feel sorry for her. And that's what I want to do next. So this isn't a Meghan0.95
01:22:13.420Markle soundbite, but it is a latest development and a story that we've been following here on the
01:22:20.140show about Meghan Markle trying to make herself into the new Martha Stewart. As you know, Maureen
01:22:26.780Callahan and I did a whole parody of her attempts to do this and her ridiculous Netflix show with0.98
01:22:32.080love Megan. And in it, we made one pot pasta that she promoted in that series. And we had no trouble0.93
01:22:41.240finding the recipe because we just went to Martha Stewart's website and it was right there. It's one
01:22:45.560of her most famous recipes, which Megan Markle very clearly stole and like maybe added one0.99
01:22:51.480ingredient to call her own. We put the two recipes side by side. They were identical. I mean, it was
01:22:56.180the same thing. So Martha Stewart might not like that. You know, she's like she's a tough old bee.1.00
01:23:03.100And I say that respectfully. And she got asked about Meghan Markle by People magazine and revealed
01:23:13.560that the two of them had just been at a dinner together, not like one on one, but they were both
01:23:17.840invited to the same function where there was dinner. And listen to this. I had dinner with
01:23:23.500Meghan Markle the other night well she was at the same table uh so I can't say I she wasn't my
01:23:28.860guest I was a guest we were both guests at a dinner party in in California and she had just
01:23:33.860gotten back from the palace and I think I didn't I didn't talk to her really more than to say a
01:23:39.180couple words but but I know she was talking about it if you're an actress it's hard to then
01:23:43.860transition to a princess and then from a princess into a homemaking guru on a television show it
01:23:51.300doesn't sort of follow so go from there uh shots fired glenn totally you know my perception of
01:24:01.300megan markle and my knowledge of her comes almost exclusively from maureen sullivan's show because
01:24:06.700there is nobody for whom callahan maureen sullivan was a great actress back in the day yeah yeah
01:24:12.660she won academy award i think i don't know what's going on in the brain today but yeah maureen
01:24:16.600maureen callahan because there's nobody for whom maureen has more contempt than megan markle
01:24:21.280And it's just like, I just sit there. It's so cathartic. It just like seeps into my veins.
01:24:27.240So it's so I think everybody has come to that point where just Meghan Markle for whatever
01:24:31.880reason subscribe to the nerve immediately. By the way, as we go into the weekend,
01:24:35.000it's especially a great time in the summer to listen to Maureen. Listen to the nerve. Keep
01:24:38.140going. Yeah. And it's actually it. The reason it's good to watch is because it combines reporting
01:24:43.980with with just the most acerbic, insightful, well-expressed and hilarious cultural criticism.
01:24:51.280of hatred directed at all the people who most deserve it. There's never been someone she's
01:24:55.300attacked where I was like, I don't think she should be attacking that person. That person
01:24:57.880seems okay. No, me neither. And the other thing that's so great about Maureen is she's very
01:25:02.600intelligent. She has a great vocabulary. Like she comes at it from like this elevated level,
01:25:06.960but with no gloves on whatsoever. So there is something, it's like shoot it in my veins.
01:25:11.520This is what I think being addicted to heroin would feel like, only very much healthier.
01:25:16.560Yeah. And she's a real reporter, as you said. So it's not like she's just ranting and raving
01:25:19.980with speculation it's always so well researched too so it's actually reliable celebrity cultural
01:25:25.620criticism yeah the best show and it definitely has turned me into a megan markle there's before
01:25:31.100i just couldn't resist you know it's just so persuasive but don't you think i think it's
01:25:36.580actually kind of cool that martha stewart who's now in her 80s she just doesn't give an f glenn1.00
01:25:42.500she's like i'm gonna cut this bitch and i don't care if you if you don't like it she clearly1.00
01:25:46.360mocking her she got back from the palace and she was talking about it oh back from the palace0.99
01:25:51.960and how difficult it is to try to jump from these different roles right into making yourself a
01:25:58.900homemaking guru and was telegraphing to us all it ain't as lazy as it looks and she's failing
01:26:05.980like that's really what she was saying i that's my martha stewart decoder for you yeah i've seen
01:26:12.740comments from her similar not maybe as harsh about megan markle because i don't think she respects
01:26:18.280the fact that megan markle is a worthy competitor of everything martha stewart has done and i love0.93
01:26:23.880martha stewart because she is just so direct as you said she's a very i mean she went to prison
01:26:29.980and she came out and built this whole second career seemed to do very well in it obviously0.99
01:26:34.620built a gigantic business too yeah she is not somebody to play around with and and that passive1.00
01:26:39.460aggressive criticism. Megan Markle, that was so enjoyable and so deserved. I wonder if she might
01:26:47.620be a listener to this show or to the nerve and or to the nerve. We've got to find it out. We need to
01:26:52.120know more. Glenn, so great to see you. Always a pleasure, my friend. Always good to be with you,
01:26:56.740Megan. Talk to you soon. Okay. When we come back, a powerful legal story that you're going to want
01:27:03.820to hear about. This woman, my next guest, is a surrogate pregnant with another couple's0.95
01:27:11.700biological baby, and they wanted to abort that baby, and she has refused. That's next.0.97
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01:28:19.820McKenna West agreed to become a surrogate for a couple that needed her help. But at 20
01:28:26.020weeks, the baby she was carrying was diagnosed with HLHS, which stands for hypoplastic left heart
01:28:33.860syndrome, a serious condition in which the left side of the heart does not develop properly.
01:28:39.620The intended parents of this little baby wanted McKenna to have an abortion, but she refused.
01:28:47.780And now she is in a shocking legal fight with this baby's biological parents. McKenna joins us now,
01:28:55.180along with her attorney, Lincoln Wilson, and Lila Rose of Live Action, a group devoted as Lila is
01:29:01.440to the cause of life. Welcome to you all. So great to have you here. Lila, great to see you again.
01:29:09.400So McKenna, I have not heard a story like this, I have to say. Did you know this couple when you
01:29:16.920agreed to become a surrogate for them? No, we met through an agency, a surrogacy agency.
01:29:23.600okay and as i understand it you did sign a document saying that if the parents wanted
01:29:33.300at some point to abort the pregnancy they could is that is that right um yeah going into this we
01:29:41.460had talked about it when we first met um and i asked them kind of their views on termination
01:29:47.640and it was a reassuring conversation that really they wanted a baby. They weren't exactly sure
01:29:56.920what decision they would make if something came up, but they ultimately just wanted to be parents.
01:30:02.440And so I felt confident moving forward with them that termination would not be their first choice.
01:30:10.120Okay. So the contract said they had the right to do it, but you, based on your conversations,
01:30:14.760didn't foresee them actually doing it. And then the baby, was it a 20-week amniocentesis? Is that
01:30:21.760what happened? There was no amniocentesis. It was an ultrasound that the cardiac defect was
01:30:28.100identified a couple of days after 20 weeks. So then they said they wanted to abort their child,
01:30:36.600but you are pro-life. And so what did that bring up for you?
01:30:41.640It brought up a lot of fear. And I just didn't know what to do. I felt very trapped
01:30:55.560due to this contract and felt like I had no voice. But I knew in my soul and my heart that
01:31:03.600I wanted to protect this little boy um and thankfully my brother was um it was put on his
01:31:14.500heart to to call me and just speak hope and courage into me um and he and his wife even
01:31:23.540offered to adopt this baby if it meant me not having to go through this late-term abortion
01:31:30.140wow right because at this point the baby's almost five months in utero and this is you know you
01:31:38.780start to feel the baby moving it's like this is a very special time for a mother and i can't imagine
01:31:45.900what it would be like to be told that you must abort the baby like that you must yeah so you
01:31:51.720didn't um which is extraordinary and it must have taken a lot of a lot of prayers and courage on your
01:31:58.260part. And now it's devolved into a legal battle. So let me bring in Lincoln at this point,
01:32:05.180your lawyer. So Lincoln, was the legal battle, did the parents try to force the abortion? Has
01:32:12.560a court ruled on that? Because McKenna did not abort the baby. She is pregnant right now.
01:32:18.180No, they didn't try to force an abortion in court. What really happened was that after McKenna had1.00
01:32:23.320resisted and they'd put on essentially a pressure campaign to force her to abort,
01:32:27.320They even enlisted her own prior counsel to serve her with a demand of $250,000 with a process server in the middle of the night.
01:32:37.620And when they were unsuccessful in doing that, what they did was they pivoted to California, and they filed a lawsuit in California.
01:32:44.020Even though the contract requires any litigation in Alaska where McKenna lives, they said, we're filing suit in California, and we want an expedited judgment of parentage.
01:32:54.360And our basic understanding is that what they want to do is if they're declared the parents, and unfortunately the California court did declare them to be the parents, then they can make the decision about medical care, and they can decide when this baby's born that they won't give him any care, and he'll be dead in a matter of days without it.
01:33:12.300McKenna is unequivocally willing to fight for his life, though.
01:33:14.800Oh, my God. Lila, we see this all the time in these cases where there's some sort of medical deformity, quote, defect. I'm using air quotes around those words with an unborn child where, you know, parents choose to abort their child.
01:33:33.580but this, this is a much trickier situation. And McKenna held the line. What do you make of it?
01:33:40.340I mean, what do you say to the people out there who aren't that tuned into choice life, all that
01:33:44.040issue who say, well, the poor child wasn't going to have any life anyway. So the parents are doing
01:33:49.780something humane here. Well, first of all, Megan, thank you for covering this. McKenna is a hero.
01:33:55.620Huge shout out to Lincoln for ADF support of this incredibly important case on this baby. I mean,
01:34:00.800this is a life at stake. And the reality is, I mean, the hospital that does deal with cases like
01:34:06.520this little boy's heart condition can get up to an 80% success rate with a life-saving surgery
01:34:11.720that can give this boy decades of life, of a wonderful life ahead of him. Medical technology
01:34:16.620is amazing. We have ways to care for life, to help life, and medicine should never be used to
01:34:21.940destroy life. But because we have abortion on demand in America through all nine months,
01:34:26.600We have this search and destroy mission, these search and destroy missions that happen, Megan, in health care where they look for a defect.0.78
01:34:33.320They look for any problem with the baby, a genetic condition like, you know, trisomy 18, Down syndrome.0.70
01:34:39.280And then they say, well, we should terminate so we can we throw away life that is seen as inconvenient or not perfect, which is eugenics, by the way.
01:34:47.820Eugenics is trying to create the perfect race, the perfect genetic code.
01:34:52.020And this is what's happening here.0.81
01:34:53.780it's not, he's not perfect. So we should let him die or otherwise destroy him. So I'm really proud0.99
01:34:59.600of McKenna. I think this case is so important. And I think that the fact that surrogacy contracts
01:35:05.100are basically slavery contracts today. Like I, I own your body now I can do with it as I please.
01:35:10.700And the baby you're pregnant with is basically my property too. And I can kill that baby at will.1.00
01:35:15.740It's completely unethical and we shouldn't be allowing this any longer.0.99
01:35:18.880Oh, I mean, as for this particular condition, our understanding is there have been cases of
01:35:27.000children who have lived with this condition. You have to have at least three operations
01:35:30.300when you're very young on your heart. But we found the case of Ben, who was treated at CHOP,
01:35:37.160Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. This is from February of 2015. He's about four in this video.
01:35:42.080let's watch. We went for the routine ultrasound and they checked everything. They said we see a
01:35:50.640heart defect. They said his condition was hypoplastic left heart syndrome and it was
01:35:57.080really a very bleak picture that they painted for us. A part of me gave up hope that I would have
01:36:02.960a baby to bring home. Benjamin's diagnosis is hypoplastic left heart syndrome. It's essentially
01:36:09.160a condition where the heart that normally has two pumping chambers, one to send blood to the lungs
01:36:14.760and one to send blood to the rest of the body, only has one chamber, which is the right side of
01:36:20.400the heart. Our main goal is to convert that pumping chamber so it really serves to pump
01:36:25.780blood to the entire body. So we're talking about a very complex surgery. You have one chance to do
01:36:32.280it right. And after that, hopefully you have two more operations to get this child to a healthy
01:36:39.100and productive childhood. I'd like to think that although I don't have my own children, I have
01:36:43.840hundreds of them. And Benjamin is one of them. It's amazing to see him as just a normal kid.
01:36:51.340You would never guess he has heart disease. People will tell us, you know, if we didn't know that he
01:36:57.380had a heart condition, we would never believe it. He's very active, very normal, and he's very
01:37:07.900bright, has a great sense of humor, and is just an amazing kid. McKenna, have you talked about
01:37:16.980cases like that with the birth parents or someone representing the birth parents or not that,
01:37:21.400biological parents. Yes. After the diagnosis was made, I spent that weekend watching videos like
01:37:29.460that on YouTube. I personally know somebody. She'll be 16 in a couple of months with the
01:37:36.420same diagnosis. And it's not this hopeless diagnosis whatsoever. And that's part of why
01:37:44.080I want to fight so hard for this little guy is, yes, the beginning isn't going to be easy.
01:37:50.240there's surgeries, there's, you know, it's complicated, but he absolutely can go on to
01:37:57.700live a full life and he deserves that opportunity. And have you spoken with them? Like, did they
01:38:03.860respond to you directly or did you hear their justification? Everything, once the diagnosis
01:38:09.280was made, started going through the agency liaison. So I have not spoken to them directly since
01:38:16.260um, April 17th, um, or that weekend. Um, but you just got word. Yeah. Did you get word from
01:38:25.540the surrogacy agency that they wanted you to abort? Yes. They're the liaison is who called,
01:38:31.460um, to tell me and their fears are that he's going to have a horrible quality of life and
01:38:40.760just be born into pain and suffering which i do not agree with at all and now now we're in a fight
01:38:50.180lincoln about because she's having the baby now that decision has been made yeah um now we're in
01:38:57.240a fight over where will the baby be born because this may have direct effects on whether he gets
01:39:02.000care and who will have the decision-making power once he is born and then there's the question of
01:39:07.580who will raise this baby if he does live after birth as a result of medical interventions or
01:39:15.240otherwise. We're going to pick it up there after we take a quick break. More with McKenna Lincoln
01:39:20.580and Lila Rose right after this. What a story. We will be right back. And before we go to break,
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01:41:19.320on may 22nd 2002 more than a year after chandra levy disappeared a man named philip palmer walks
01:41:30.220his dog in rock creek park palmer is a furniture maker who has collected antlers and animal bones
01:41:37.100since he was a boy so he thinks nothing of leaving the trail and working his way down a slope
01:41:43.280That morning, he sees a scrap of red fabric,
01:41:47.320then something pale and rounded in the leaves,
01:42:10.540I was walking my dog in wood this morning, and I came across a human skull.
01:42:17.060That was a clip from our MK Confidential series airing this week on Chandra Levy of the moment
01:42:23.820her remains were finally found, and that was an important moment in that investigation.
01:42:28.320A lot of people don't remember that aspect. As the story disappeared on 9-11-2001,
01:42:35.080she went missing May 1st, 2001. We dive into what happened next in the investigation tonight and
01:42:42.220tomorrow, an arrest and a conviction, but that was not the end of the story. This is part of a new
01:42:49.580series that we have launched called MK Confidential, where we take on one case per week. We started
01:42:55.620with JonBenet Ramsey, we did Klaus von Bülow, and now we are in the middle of Chandra Levy. You can
01:43:00.460join us for this coverage, uh, already this week at the, each episode is only about 30 minutes long.
01:43:06.080So it's easy to catch up if you're not there yet. And, uh, we will see out Chandra Levy
01:43:10.260over the next few nights and then start another case on Monday. You can check it, uh, on our
01:43:16.120Megan Kelly show podcast feeds and on our YouTube channel every weeknight this summer. Uh, okay.
01:43:22.000Back with me now, McKenna West, her attorney, Lincoln Wilson, who is with the great Alliance
01:43:26.840Defending Freedom, and Lila Rose of Live Action. So before we went to break, Lincoln, we were
01:43:32.700wondering what the legal posture of this case is now, because obviously McKenna's having the baby.
01:43:38.940So now they're fighting over where she delivers the baby, and then what? Who controls the care0.96
01:43:46.040that he gets when he's born, or where the care will be provided? So there have been fights over
01:43:52.700where the care will be provided, but now it seems that it's likely that it's going to be happening
01:43:57.140in Texas, where McKenna is now, at a hospital that has a 100% success rate in providing the surgery.
01:44:03.280The big fight now is who's going to control that care, and the other side obtained a judgment in
01:44:08.120California that says they are the parents and that they get to make those decisions, and that
01:44:13.020judgment will become effective on the child's birth. We are fighting to overturn that judgment
01:44:18.780And then also to say that while the court is working out those questions, really, the surgery needs to happen and McKenna needs to be making these decisions, because if the baby dies and then she wins on an appeal, you know, you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube.
01:44:35.380You can't unring the bell at that point.
01:44:37.700It's really like the biggest case of irreparable harm that you could ever see.
01:44:41.200yeah but now does that mean undoing that california judgment or what how are you going
01:44:48.340to get a ruling that allows mckenna to make those decisions in the way you just outlined
01:44:51.860that's part of it um part of it is undoing the judgment and we have appeals that are working
01:44:57.260our way through the california courts and up to the u.s supreme court that raise some important
01:45:01.960questions about due process for one the attempt to bring mckenna into california court on two
01:45:07.540day's notice and finding that she actually consented to jurisdiction. And also the fact
01:45:12.340that the California courts are deciding what they admit are life and death questions for this child
01:45:17.380and this child has no representation in the proceedings. We think that's a due process
01:45:22.240problem. That's what I was going to ask you next. Does he have any rights? Does this baby boy have
01:45:28.420any rights at all? I should hope so. And California law actually says that a child, an unborn child
01:45:35.440is a person under California law if that child is going to be born. We think the answer is the same0.98
01:45:40.340under the 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution, and we're going to be taking that
01:45:44.320issue up to the U.S. Supreme Court if we have to, but right now we're in the California courts.
01:45:48.960And in the meantime, we're hoping that we can get relief that ensures that he gets the care that he
01:45:53.580needs when he's born so that he stays alive and that there's not an opportunity to leave him to
01:45:58.160die just minutes after he comes into the world. Has anyone indicated to your side, you, McKenna,
01:46:06.760or anybody else on your side, Lincoln or anybody else, that what they intend to do
01:46:12.700with the baby's health care once he's born? They've been very coy about it. They've actually
01:46:18.380told us that we're not entitled to know what their decision making is, but there's enough clues. For
01:46:23.580one, they immediately sought an abortion. They aggressively sought an abortion. For another,
01:46:29.560they have kept asking questions about palliative care, which is basically no care, just let the
01:46:34.980child die, even though there's 100% success rate in giving this surgery. And last, they're still
01:46:40.500suing McKenna in Alaska, demanding that she be held liable for hundreds of thousands of dollars
01:46:46.420in damages because she refused to get an abortion. They're saying because she breached their
01:46:51.020contractual requirement to get an abortion, she should have to pay them. We don't think that this
01:46:55.060shows a commitment to actually letting this child live. And that now they're going to be saddled
01:46:59.620with this defective child. Is that basically the argument? Yeah, I think there's a tendency in this
01:47:07.060situation to treat children as a product. You paid to get something. It was defective. It wasn't what
01:47:12.840you wanted. So send it back. Give me a new one. We think that's repugnant. We think it's offensive
01:47:18.320to um california law we think it's offensive to to federal law and we don't want to see it stand
01:47:23.380is there an issue about health care insurance like if they're if the baby's born in texas with
01:47:30.040mckenna lincoln and the parents say well we don't have we don't have the insurance to cover all
01:47:34.940these surgeries is that is that an argument or no because would the state provide those surgeries
01:47:39.620i i don't think there's any question that there are the resources out there to get this child
01:47:44.460the care that he needs. I can speak from my own personal experience. Our child was born
01:47:49.480with a cardiac condition and ended up in the NICU for three months and we had to get surgery.
01:47:54.420And we got unbelievable care and unbelievable resources to support that. And it was absolutely
01:47:58.780worth it. And that's why it's very personal for me to be engaged in this fight, going after the
01:48:03.640same thing here. And I know there's abundant resources that Lila and her team have provided
01:48:08.660and would provide to save this child's life. Well, that's the thing, Lila, there's literally
01:48:14.280not someone in the country who fights more for life than you. So you must know people or have
01:48:20.740donors who would help McKenna with these surgeries or help her get this baby through those first
01:48:25.740challenging. Well, it looks like it could be a couple of years, but as we saw with Ben's story,
01:48:30.660it really is survivable. Yes. Yes. And there are thousands of pro-life advocates who want to help
01:48:37.000McKenna. There are thousands more who want to even adopt. I mean, the waiting lists right now
01:48:42.560to adopt are long, including families that are willing to adopt children, newborns that have
01:48:47.220special needs or special care is needed for them. And as McKenna even said, her brother has stepped
01:48:53.060up heroically to say, I want to even adopt and help this baby. So the problem is not that people
01:48:58.360don't want to help. There are tons of people in line to help right now. The problem is that there
01:49:04.000is a couple who believe that this baby is their property and that they can kill this baby or
01:49:08.780ordered this baby to be left to die without care because this baby in their eyes is defected and0.94
01:49:14.400unwanted to them. And they don't want another family to care for this baby and help this baby
01:49:20.400live. That's the issue. And that violates this baby's fundamental human rights, which is why
01:49:25.060I'm so grateful for the hard work of Lincoln and the team at ADF, because this case deserves to go
01:49:29.120to the Supreme Court and to be won decisively in favor of this baby's right to life and McKenna.
01:49:34.420so so what would be the ideal ruling then lincoln like what your what's your plan what court are
01:49:41.340you going to go into and what are you going to ask for specifically because the the baby's due
01:49:45.480soon right yeah we're fighting in three different courts right now um there's the california
01:49:51.300proceeding that the other side filed there's an alaska case that mckenna filed and we just
01:49:56.140learned that the other side has now filed a case in texas again in violation of the contract um
01:50:01.600seeking to get a decision for them. We don't. Lincoln froze, but your due date is September
01:50:08.2002nd McKenna, right? So that's, I mean, that's coming up and what's your ideal. I'll ask you
01:50:14.140to phrase it not legally, but what is your ideal ruling that you would get? Um, I just want this
01:50:19.740little boy to be able to get surgery. Um, cause that's what he needs. So you want him to get the
01:50:26.620care that he needs. And if you, if you had your way, would you then have your brother adopt this
01:50:33.240baby? Really just any loving household, loving parents, whether that were me, my brother and
01:50:41.980my sister-in-law or another family that, you know, I'm not aware of right now. I just want
01:50:46.980him to have parents fighting in his corner. Have you found out, like, are the parents at all
01:50:54.900um, entertaining that idea that somebody, you know, clearly they didn't want this baby when
01:51:01.380they found out about the heart defect. So this is a solution that's, it's not what the one they
01:51:06.180wanted, but they, they don't have to have anything to do with this baby, but they're not interested
01:51:10.060in that. Not from what I understand at all, which is really unfortunate. This is so, this is just so
01:51:17.900fraught. I'm sure this is keeping you awake day and night. Are you, how are you feeling McKenna?
01:51:22.200this must have been very stressful for you. Yeah. Physically, I feel pretty good, but it is
01:51:29.620stressful, especially as I am in my final month now of pregnancy and there's still
01:51:36.560so much happening and developing. But I genuinely believe that God has orchestrated this and
01:51:46.920this little guy is going to get what he needs and what he deserves, which is a chance at life.
01:51:52.680We've done too much. We've come too far for another outcome. So I just, that's really what
01:51:59.380I'm praying for. Lila, I was just online before we got started today and I was on Instagram and
01:52:08.700I saw my old friend and colleague from Fox News, Brett Baer, with the following post. Let's watch
01:52:16.320Hey, everybody. Thanks for the birthday wishes. I appreciate it. Big five, six today. And I am off. I am taking my son to Ireland to play in a father-son golf tournament. It's kind of the last hurrah before he heads to college in a few weeks.
01:52:37.100happy birthday to brett bear by the way but the reason i play that as you might know
01:52:42.740is paul bear who was born in june of 2007 and i was very close to brett at the time
01:52:51.860had multiple heart defects he has a condition um that's that's the the short form is um hold
01:53:01.260on a second let me give you the actual name of it it's called d transposition of the great
01:53:06.620arteries or DTGA in which the heart's two main arteries are reversed, which causes oxygen poor
01:53:13.280blood to circulate through the body instead of being sent to the lungs for oxygen. Paul was also
01:53:17.600born. So, so he had that, that was his primary defect, but he had a total of five complex
01:53:22.980congenital heart defects. He was also born with two holes in his heart and interrupted aortic arch
01:54:14.460That, that baby is the son that Paul, any emotional is that that baby is the son that
01:54:22.060Brett and Amy are delivering off to college, um, before next month.
01:54:26.640And he hasn't had it easy. He's had at least 12 surgeries, I think more than 12 surgeries. He had an emergency surgery not long ago that was very scary. That family, not for one second, would regret Paul being born into this world and all the moments they've had with Paul through thick and thin, through the difficult surgeries and the scary times and the great times on the golf course and otherwise.
01:54:53.980I just think, Lila, too many people feel overwhelmed by these scary diagnoses.
01:55:00.420And we also have a media that refuses to highlight stories like that of little Ben and Paul Bear.