The Megyn Kelly Show - How Corporate Media Protects Biden, and Secrets to Younger Skin, with Sage Steele and Dr. Anthony Youn

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00:00:30.680 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show,

00:00:32.540 live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.460 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:00:44.180 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.700 Did you enjoy the eclipse?

00:00:48.400 Abby and I saw it along with my family.

00:00:51.980 It was good.

00:00:52.920 It was good.

00:00:54.660 You know, it was good.

00:00:55.800 It was fine.

00:00:56.460 We weren't in the path of totality.

00:00:59.620 But I will say it was kind of cool standing out there with the fam and, you know, watching

00:01:03.100 the light change.

00:01:05.020 It got like a weird yellow color.

00:01:07.120 And then before you knew it, it was kind of dark.

00:01:08.900 It felt like twilight.

00:01:10.080 Not quite twilight, but a little closer to twilight than it should have been for that

00:01:13.740 hour of the day.

00:01:14.520 And it was kind of cool how the sun looked normal until you put on those sun, you know, those

00:01:19.700 eclipse glasses and you could completely see the moon moving over it.

00:01:23.180 Anyway, all in all, we give it two thumbs up.

00:01:26.400 Do we not?

00:01:26.840 No, she's got a medium.

00:01:28.840 She's like thumb to the side.

00:01:30.660 But I know a lot of viewers who were in the path of totality had an amazing experience.

00:01:36.220 And so God bless it.

00:01:37.480 Next time we'll get off of our asses and we will travel to the proper path.

00:01:42.140 My husband tells me that in 2044, it's going to be in Montana where we have a place.

00:01:47.540 And so we can just travel there.

00:01:49.300 We're going to go there.

00:01:50.220 We will report back in 20 years.

00:01:53.160 Okay.

00:01:55.200 Last week, we played you a clip on this show of our friend Sage Steele.

00:02:00.820 She was formerly at ESPN and then they gave her a very hard time about her questions over

00:02:07.340 the vaccine and her statements about Barack Obama declaring himself black, even though

00:02:14.060 he's technically has a white mother and a black father like Sage.

00:02:18.820 And she had thoughts about that declaration.

00:02:21.520 Well, anyway, these thoughts were not acceptable.

00:02:24.000 And so went her career at ESPN.

00:02:27.340 She came on this program.

00:02:28.640 We played you the clip last week of Sage making some news recently in an interview with Fox

00:02:34.360 in which she revealed that ESPN, while she'd been there, had scripted an entire interview

00:02:41.480 they wanted her to do with President Joe Biden to the to the word without any follow ups,

00:02:46.760 she said, well, there has been a lot of fallout from that revelation, including from the sad

00:02:53.140 former ESPN host with the crazy podcast who we sometimes talk about here.

00:02:58.300 Joining me now on many things in the news is my friend Sage Steele.

00:03:02.000 She's host of the just launched new podcast.

00:03:05.400 The Sage Steele show.

00:03:09.380 Sage, welcome back.

00:03:10.720 Hello, Megan.

00:03:11.400 Thank you for having me back again.

00:03:12.880 Oh, it's great to see you.

00:03:14.360 No, wait, where are you?

00:03:15.360 Because you don't have your normal, beautiful, like white background.

00:03:19.240 Well, I was trying to, you know, not flex because that way is the Atlantic Ocean.

00:03:25.020 Just to my left, that's the light you're seeing coming from here.

00:03:28.100 I'm in Florida.

00:03:29.040 I've got a place here in the height of the pandemic.

00:03:31.720 And my youngest daughter is a senior in high school.

00:03:33.900 So this is her senior spring break.

00:03:35.280 So she and her friends are at the beach.

00:03:36.860 I'm like, don't come up for two hours.

00:03:39.020 Wear sunscreen.

00:03:39.720 So I'm down in South Florida, which is where I'll be living full time this fall.

00:03:43.320 I'm moving, moving out of the Northeast.

00:03:45.420 Oh, sounds amazing.

00:03:46.920 We'll miss you in Connecticut, but I completely understand your reasons.

00:03:50.820 And if my kids were no longer in school, I'd probably be joining you.

00:03:54.320 Okay.

00:03:54.720 So there's a lot to go over.

00:03:55.960 So you go on Fox News.

00:03:56.980 First of all, congrats on the, on the podcast.

00:03:58.720 This makes a lot of sense to me because I know one of the things you didn't want to do

00:04:03.260 in reemerging was like, just sign on with a partisanship, you know, whether it was right

00:04:08.480 wing or left wing, that's not really who you are.

00:04:11.460 And even though the ecosystem feels that way, you wanted to find a way forward that didn't

00:04:16.880 label you that way.

00:04:17.940 And I feel like you did it.

00:04:20.520 Yeah.

00:04:21.000 Thank you.

00:04:21.820 Thank you so much.

00:04:22.600 And you know what?

00:04:23.180 You're one of the people who inspired me watching from afar because it is scary to go out on your

00:04:28.600 own.

00:04:29.260 Um, I, everyone for listen for 10 years, I've heard, Oh, when she leaves ESPN or leave

00:04:34.120 sports, she's going to go on Fox news.

00:04:35.520 And I'm like, I have no desire to go work for any network television ever again in my

00:04:41.400 life.

00:04:41.980 Now, if there's other ways where you're able to have editorial control and, you know,

00:04:46.540 be a true journalist, great.

00:04:47.940 Let's talk.

00:04:48.420 But for the most part, that's not what happens at any of these networks.

00:04:51.240 So I, I had, you know, it's, it's with Bill Maher and the club random network, which

00:04:55.660 cracks me up, Megan, because of all people to give me an opportunity, right.

00:05:01.380 And to, and to see me, it's someone that could not be more different from me.

00:05:05.320 And I went on a show last October and the talk began immediately.

00:05:08.580 Um, and so this has been in the works for a very long time, but how about the fact that

00:05:12.160 we're so different, right.

00:05:13.280 And I mean, he thinks marriage is a waste of time and kids are annoying and he's a complete

00:05:18.080 atheist.

00:05:18.720 And I, well, was married for a long time.

00:05:21.020 I have three amazing kids.

00:05:22.060 They're my life.

00:05:22.500 And I am a strong Christian and Catholic and like, we're so opposite.

00:05:27.840 And that's the point, God forbid people who are different can have conversations and talk.

00:05:32.420 And that's what he's allowing me to do with this show.

00:05:35.240 I'm an executive producer of my show.

00:05:36.840 And it's so weird to, for European to really, really matter.

00:05:41.420 And I mean, he is somebody who, you know, will never censor your speech.

00:05:45.420 I mean, his whole life has been devoted to saying the thing that cannot be said, and he's

00:05:50.240 made a run of it.

00:05:51.040 And so I don't know, my own impression is maybe he's a little center left still, but

00:05:55.340 not woke.

00:05:56.040 Maybe you're a little center, right, but not woke.

00:05:58.860 And there's a good crossover there for two people to, you know, get conversation started.

00:06:03.680 So I'm thrilled to see you back out there.

00:06:06.220 And by the way, thank you.

00:06:07.340 That's the key word is the, is the C word, right?

00:06:10.620 Conversation.

00:06:11.100 Like to be able to have conversations like, like you have on your show all the time.

00:06:15.280 And it's with everybody, Dana White, the UFC CEO is my first guest, Matt got a little

00:06:19.500 crazy.

00:06:19.880 And he's a dear friend.

00:06:20.920 He's awesome with so much fun.

00:06:22.520 And I'm, I'm good at making fun of myself when I screw up and I didn't edit it out.

00:06:26.280 I left it in when I called.

00:06:27.880 You kept calling him Joe Rogan.

00:06:29.220 And like, yeah, cause he's like, I call my kids the wrong name and he's like, say, just

00:06:33.880 this hysterical.

00:06:34.740 I never even considered editing it out because he can't allow racism in seeing all white people

00:06:39.900 alike.

00:06:40.780 I, I, I see it.

00:06:42.700 I see what happened there.

00:06:44.240 Um, yeah.

00:06:44.880 All white men.

00:06:48.380 Exactly.

00:06:49.660 Exactly.

00:06:50.300 So no, but like Hollywood people, athletes, politicians, everybody's coming on people.

00:06:54.600 I think very differently, um, from, and that's the key.

00:06:57.800 And I'm so excited to be able to do that and do it freely without any fear, you know?

00:07:03.320 Yeah.

00:07:03.760 So that's the thing.

00:07:04.460 So now you're, you're uncensored, unchained, unbridled in any way by ESPN, which leads me

00:07:10.120 to the conversation you had on Fox, where you were very much being controlled by your

00:07:15.560 old bosses at CNN, I'm sorry, ESPN.

00:07:17.860 And you were revealing this and speaking to Fox about what happened when you interviewed

00:07:22.580 the sitting president of the United States, Joe Biden.

00:07:25.380 I was stunned by this.

00:07:26.820 I'll play the soundbite.

00:07:28.060 I mean, I knew that they had, they were heavy handed at network TV.

00:07:31.400 Oh, we don't have a soundbite.

00:07:32.560 But in any event, you were basically saying everything they, that you asked, they controlled.

00:07:38.000 And, um, you said every single word and they told you no follow-ups.

00:07:41.520 And so we actually, the sound, but I do have is we pulled some of the questions from the

00:07:46.100 interview so that the audience could hear what was ESPN approved?

00:07:50.520 Like, how did they, what, what did they say?

00:07:52.920 It's okay for Sage Steele to actually ask.

00:07:55.300 Here's some of that.

00:07:56.820 We are obviously still in the rollout phase of the COVID-19 vaccine.

00:08:00.700 How do you envision this season going with so much up in the air still?

00:08:04.020 You talk specifically about athletes and fans, many of whom have gotten the vaccine, others

00:08:08.560 looking forward to it.

00:08:09.820 There are people who are hesitant, athletes who are hesitant.

00:08:12.600 So, Mr. President, if you're in a clubhouse or a locker room with those athletes, what

00:08:16.980 would you say to those who are hesitant to get vaccinated?

00:08:19.900 Governor Greg Abbott lifted the mask mandate.

00:08:22.780 So the Texas Rangers say there will not be any attendance restrictions.

00:08:27.100 Mr. President, 40,000 people with masks required, except when actively eating and drinking.

00:08:32.300 What are your thoughts on the Rangers' decision?

00:08:34.800 Mr. Goodell said Tuesday, the league is making plans to open its stadiums to full capacity

00:08:39.460 for the upcoming season.

00:08:40.680 What's your reaction to Commissioner Goodell's decision right now?

00:08:43.600 Mr. President, I know you're a sports fan.

00:08:46.020 I know the first lady, Dr. Jill Biden, is a sports fan.

00:08:48.780 So can you give us a glimpse, when Dr. Biden is watching Philly's games, what is she like?

00:08:56.080 No, I'm sure they had that Dr. Biden thing written in there.

00:08:59.720 I wouldn't have said doctor.

00:09:01.960 No, because she's a fake news doctor.

00:09:04.560 It's not real.

00:09:05.480 I'm sorry, but it isn't.

00:09:07.020 So when you had this conversation, because I know a lot of journalists have said, well,

00:09:11.720 I never would have allowed them to do that.

00:09:13.180 And I said on my show last week, listen, and I happen to know you, but it wasn't an attack

00:09:19.780 on you.

00:09:20.060 But I said, a lot of journalists, and I know this is true in your case, you're basically

00:09:23.900 a single mom.

00:09:24.820 You got three mouths to feed.

00:09:26.440 You need this job.

00:09:27.700 And it's great for somebody on the sidelines to be like, oh, I would have thrown down and

00:09:32.020 taken on.

00:09:33.160 It's a very different reality when you're you in this position, having to feed your children,

00:09:38.260 and you know very well what pushback is going to get you.

00:09:41.000 Exactly.

00:09:43.820 I don't know that I would have done anything differently either, because you have to know

00:09:48.560 which battles to choose.

00:09:50.380 I had already chosen a couple of battles along the way, and actually, there were a lot more

00:09:56.840 that came just a couple of months later.

00:09:59.080 So, you know, it's do you want to interview the sitting president of the United States or

00:10:04.600 not?

00:10:05.180 And if you want to, then these are the questions.

00:10:07.600 We will get back to you with what you will be saying.

00:10:11.000 And, you know, it was a scary time.

00:10:15.340 And this was right after the election.

00:10:17.080 So this is 2021, March of 2021.

00:10:19.900 And I did it.

00:10:21.400 You know, there's a lot of reasons why I think I was given the interview in the first place.

00:10:25.240 And it's based on some other things that they did not allow to happen with the former president.

00:10:33.140 So something that when I'm ready to share, I'm going to bother you, because I think it's just more about the control.

00:10:40.780 The reason I want to speak about all of this in general is because I want people in an election year to understand the control that the mainstream media has and the inability for normal Americans to just go and watch and hopefully learn the truth and be able to form their own opinions.

00:10:58.260 And if we're controlling things at a sports network, what are we doing at news networks?

00:11:04.440 You know, so I just took the opportunity and said, OK, I'm going to do it and take my orders.

00:11:11.340 And I don't know that I would change anything that I did at that moment.

00:11:15.620 One of the first questions, I don't know that it was in that clip, but it was about the president's opinion on whether or not they should move that Major League Baseball All-Star game from Atlanta.

00:11:25.720 It was coming up that summer.

00:11:27.040 We actually had that. Stand by, Sage.

00:11:28.680 Let me play that.

00:11:29.520 And then you pick it up on the back end.

00:11:30.780 Here it is, top three.

00:11:32.560 Tony Clark is the executive director of the Major League Baseball Players Association.

00:11:36.220 He said he would, quote, look forward to discussing moving the All-Star game out of Atlanta because Georgia Governor Brian Kemp signed into law a bill passed by the Republican-led state legislature to overhaul how its state elections are run.

00:11:49.900 So, Mr. President, what do you think about the possibility that baseball decides to move their All-Star game out of Atlanta because of this political issue?

00:11:57.620 I think today's professional athletes are acting incredibly responsibly.

00:12:07.100 I would strongly support them doing that.

00:12:10.060 The very people who are victimized the most are the people who are the leaders in these various sports.

00:12:17.240 And it's just not right.

00:12:18.960 This is Jim Crow on steroids, what they're doing in Georgia and 40 other states.

00:12:24.760 What it's all about.

00:12:25.500 Imagine passing a law saying you cannot provide water or food for someone standing in line to vote.

00:12:35.840 I have to say, I really like Joe Biden better in the first clip we ran where he wasn't saying anything.

00:12:42.120 I agree.

00:12:43.000 And I have to tell you, sitting there listening to that, there was like a rage in my belly because I'm saying, what do you mean passing laws against giving water to people?

00:12:52.680 And it goes all back to what?

00:12:54.020 Do you think that because of the color of my skin, I'm not able, I'm not smart enough to remember to bring my driver's license or to actually go get one in the first place?

00:13:04.120 Because to me, that's what all this talk leads to is racism, basically, for people like me who apparently need assistance to do basic things in life.

00:13:14.220 And that's what I, that was like the first question, I think.

00:13:17.120 And that's what I wanted to follow up with.

00:13:19.240 And there were also technical issues leading up to it where we couldn't get our crap together leading up to the beginning of the interview.

00:13:24.540 So I was having to like spill dead air with the president of the United States while we're trying to get our shit figured out behind the scenes.

00:13:31.920 I'm trying to hurry people up over here and say, so how about your football career at Delaware?

00:13:36.020 I mean, it was a very stressful situation.

00:13:38.900 Needless to say, I would have loved to have been able to really follow up and say, wait, are you saying that I'm not able?

00:13:45.400 There's so much there.

00:13:46.160 I mean, trust me, I know, I know.

00:13:51.040 And it killed me because I felt like I wasn't able to be a journal.

00:13:54.720 I wasn't.

00:13:55.780 Listen, I'm a pretty good teleprompter reader, but like, that's all that was, you know?

00:14:00.360 And I think that, again, people, our viewers, and that's what this is about.

00:14:04.300 Again, it's not about, oh, woe is me.

00:14:05.860 Whatever.

00:14:06.300 I'm fine.

00:14:07.040 I'm more than fine.

00:14:07.940 And I'm grateful for every moment at ESPN, even that one.

00:14:10.700 It's really, if we don't continue to speak on this and the control that the mainstream media has, the networks, even though I believe many people at ESPN and elsewhere don't even believe what they're preaching, don't believe some of the craziness that's also left-wing and woke in many ways with the coverage.

00:14:28.540 They don't all believe it, but they're all just following as well.

00:14:32.120 So I just want people to know and to be careful as we enter this election cycle.

00:14:35.400 Do your homework, dig deeper, and don't believe everything that you watch, especially on those networks.

00:14:39.300 I want to tell the audience, we reached out to ESPN about this, and they declined to comment on whether they scripted your interview.

00:14:47.200 Not surprisingly, there was no denial.

00:14:49.640 A former ESPN anchor who I believe you know, Keith Olbermann, shockingly, saw the opportunity to bash a woman and weigh in here.

00:14:59.820 That's his favorite thing.

00:15:01.140 And he tweeted on X, whatever posted, of course it was scripted.

00:15:06.240 If it hadn't have been at Sage Steele, the dumbest person I've ever worked with in sports or news, couldn't have gotten through it.

00:15:14.800 I mean, Jesus, if this happened to you, you'd just assume it wasn't being done to protect the network from you humiliating it and yourself.

00:15:24.480 Um, that's Keith Olbermann's thought.

00:15:28.040 I will note for the record, he also, at the same, like right around the time, um, posted something else about Laura Ingram, calling her a DEI hire.

00:15:41.880 He loves women, Sage.

00:15:42.980 Calling her a DEI hire, and then dragged yours truly into it as well, saying the irony, of course, is that Ingram Angle, who was bashing DEI on her show, was a DEI hire by Fox after the O'Reilly scandal and the ousting of Megyn Kelly and Greta Van Susteren.

00:15:57.860 Um, I don't know what he means by ousting, but they offered me $100 million to stay, so it wasn't really an ousting.

00:16:04.980 I just wanted to raise my children more than I wanted all that money.

00:16:09.700 So, once again, he's wrong on every level, but would you care to respond to the lovely former colleague of yours?

00:16:15.960 You know, I'll say this.

00:16:17.200 I saw that, and I just laughed.

00:16:19.260 And I actually, he spends a lot of energy on me.

00:16:22.460 You know, that whole phrase, rent-free, live in rent-free in your head.

00:16:25.060 Apparently, I do, and it's so funny, because when I did work with him, I mean, Megan, it was an honor at the time.

00:16:31.440 Because for those of us long-time sports fans who've watched DSPN for decades, he was awesome at his job.

00:16:38.420 Keith Olbermann, Dan Patrick, back in the late 90s, they were everything.

00:16:42.220 He's so talented, yet so pathetic at this point in his life.

00:16:47.780 Like, it's really, really sad.

00:16:49.260 I usually don't respond.

00:16:50.180 I don't respond to anybody who's a race baiter or anyone who I think is unstable, and that certainly is Keith Olbermann.

00:16:56.300 I think I did the other day to that.

00:16:57.940 I know I did, because I went and found an old video clip from when he filled in for my co-host on my show.

00:17:04.040 And I was asked to go to New York because he couldn't leave his dogs overnight, so I went to him instead of, I brought my show to him instead of him bringing himself up to Bristol to me.

00:17:12.140 And it was fine.

00:17:12.700 I got a nice dinner on the company in New York City.

00:17:14.820 But it was an honor because of the history, like how historically great he was, and I used was, past tense.

00:17:20.700 And I was super nice, and I was like, how are you?

00:17:22.720 We chatted.

00:17:23.160 He didn't get ugly with me online constantly until I started to be true to myself, and that's kind of the hypocrisy with people like Keith, is that, you know, they're great with, hey, you do you, and be true to who you are, and all the things, and diversity, and tolerance, and acceptance, until what?

00:17:39.500 Until you don't fit their narrative.

00:17:40.740 So with Keith, I don't even waste my time and energy on him because he goes crazy about me and you and many others.

00:17:48.220 He is truly a miserable human being, and if nothing else, I don't even have hatred for him.

00:17:53.880 I don't care.

00:17:55.500 He's, it's sad to me to watch someone decline like that and spend so much energy on people who obviously are a little bit envious of you and Laura.

00:18:07.140 Maybe even me, right, because we don't care, and it is interesting that it's all women, women who are strong and have stood up for themselves and stayed true to who they are.

00:18:17.000 The irony is not lost on me.

00:18:19.360 His ex-girlfriend, he can't, he never misses an opportunity to bash her.

00:18:23.120 Yeah, and I like what Laura Ingram is truly one of the smartest women on television.

00:18:27.960 She, she, I think she clerked for Justice Thomas, like this is no, he's talking about, oh, she's a DEI heir because she's a, just because she's a woman, just because she's a woman.

00:18:37.560 That means she didn't deserve the job.

00:18:39.400 That's what the left is criticizing the right for.

00:18:42.860 You remember when the mayor of Baltimore, who happens to be black, came out and some crazy ass people on the internet were like, he's a DEI hire just because he's black.

00:18:53.000 And they rightfully got pushback from people saying, if DEI is just synonymous with black, I'm out.

00:18:58.700 I'm all, I'm the same.

00:19:00.060 I feel the same.

00:19:00.600 I'm critical of DEI.

00:19:01.820 It's not a synonym for black.

00:19:04.140 How do we know the guy's a DEI hire?

00:19:05.760 Give me some facts.

00:19:06.660 It's not like, you know, Biden saying, I'm only going to hire a black woman and then he hires a black woman.

00:19:11.800 That, yes, you could argue is a DEI hire.

00:19:14.020 In any event, that's what Oberman is doing.

00:19:15.840 He just sees a woman in the chair, Laura Ingram, who's brilliant, DEI hire, right?

00:19:21.660 And I'm sure he thinks the same of you and me and maybe his ex-girlfriend, who he's constantly suggesting is an idiot.

00:19:27.980 It's just disgusting.

00:19:29.120 And it's completely blind.

00:19:30.060 Real quick, Megan.

00:19:30.500 Right?

00:19:30.680 He's blind.

00:19:31.060 He got, he got, he was hired and fired three times just from ESPN, MSNBC, CNN, like every single, every single thing he does.

00:19:40.280 And I've said to my boss, I was like, what the hell are you doing?

00:19:42.340 Why do you keep bringing someone like this back when you know that they're not there to be part of a team?

00:19:47.200 So that's just ESPN.

00:19:48.160 And I, he's been fired everywhere he's been, which is why I guess he now stands on his balcony overlooking Central Park with his cell phone and does selfies.

00:19:55.220 I mean, enjoy.

00:19:56.620 Yep.

00:19:57.040 Yes.

00:19:57.500 Oh, by the way, I forgot.

00:19:58.740 He also dated Laura Ingram.

00:20:00.220 He's got, don't, don't date Keith Olbermann.

00:20:02.660 Okay.

00:20:03.020 That's the bottom line.

00:20:03.800 He told me.

00:20:04.060 He told me about that.

00:20:05.580 And we were in his little office and she was on the screen and he's like, oh, I used to date her and whoever else.

00:20:10.740 He said, I dated her too.

00:20:11.740 And I was like, I'm leaving now.

00:20:14.280 This is so gross.

00:20:15.760 Ew.

00:20:16.480 It's horrifying.

00:20:18.580 Okay.

00:20:19.620 Speaking of biased media, there's an extraordinary piece today over at the Free Press and it's

00:20:26.100 by a guy named Uri Berliner who still works at NPR.

00:20:31.220 I was reading this thinking, did he leave?

00:20:34.040 And he did not leave.

00:20:35.380 He's still there.

00:20:36.320 So he's writing this piece from the inside.

00:20:38.200 It ends with Uri Berliner is a senior business editor and reporter at NPR and he goes off on them talking about how hard left they've gone, about how in 2011, 26% of NPR's listeners were conservative or describe themselves as 23% middle of the road.

00:20:57.680 37% liberal by 2023, 11% described themselves as conservative, 21% as middle of the road and 67% said they were liberal or very liberal.

00:21:09.700 He said, we weren't just losing conservatives, we were losing moderates and traditional liberals.

00:21:14.760 An open-minded spirit no longer exists within NPR and now predictably we don't have an audience that reflects America.

00:21:22.560 He says this is devastating both for NPR's journalism and its business model.

00:21:26.040 And he explains how it happened, Sage.

00:21:28.920 He says it started with Donald Trump, that his election was greeted in the NPR newsroom with a mixture of disbelief, anger and despair.

00:21:38.340 But what began as tough, straightforward coverage of him veered toward efforts to damage or even topple his presidency.

00:21:46.940 He says Adam Schiff was our guiding hand, our ever-present muse.

00:21:52.580 NPR interviewed this guy 25 times about Trump and Russia.

00:21:56.700 He alluded to purported evidence of collusion.

00:21:58.640 Of course, none would ever come.

00:22:00.700 His talking points became the drumbeat of NPR news reports.

00:22:04.660 When the Mueller report found no credible evidence of collusion, they just quietly faded away with the story.

00:22:10.940 They didn't own their mistakes, their dishonesty, you know, their pushing of it.

00:22:16.280 Same on the Hunter Biden laptop, in which this was public.

00:22:19.860 NPR's managing editor for News explained, saying, we're not going to cover it because we don't want to waste our time on stories that are not really stories.

00:22:27.820 We don't want to waste the listeners' and readers' time on stories that are just pure distractions.

00:22:33.900 He goes neck deep into the COVID coverage and how they completely rejected the lab leak theory once they realized it was something that right-wingers were pushing.

00:22:45.000 It was just a knee-jerk no, and since Anthony Fauci said it's natural origin, that's what they had to do.

00:22:52.500 We were fervent members of Team Natural Origin, even declaring that the lab leak had been debunked by scientists and goes on and on and on.

00:23:02.120 And we'll get to the piece about DEI.

00:23:03.800 But to me, this is a sad story, too, because in the same way, it's sad to have watched Olbermann, who, as you know, I don't know anything about sports, but I take you at your word that he was a great sports journalist, has just deteriorated into this sad troll who just is nasty to mostly women all the time.

00:23:20.880 This is what NPR has done.

00:23:22.320 It used to be a place, even somebody like I could go and listen to the news in the morning.

00:23:25.940 And even up until recently, I was listening to both them and more conservative podcasts, and they've become unlistenable.

00:23:32.400 It's just I learn nothing.

00:23:33.440 I actually think I'm doing damage to my intellect, and so I've rejected them, and I am not alone.

00:23:38.900 What do you make of it?

00:23:40.220 I totally agree.

00:23:41.560 I used to listen as well all the time in the car whenever I had the opportunity just to get a quick hit before I'd go into work and focus just on football or basketball, you know?

00:23:50.820 So here's the thing.

00:23:52.160 It doesn't surprise me, not one bit, because I think that that's when the turn was for pretty much everybody, people who are kind of in the middle and maybe center right, center left.

00:24:00.900 That's when it all turned is when Donald Trump won.

00:24:03.960 I remember watching, being on Twitter the night that Donald Trump won in 2016 and sitting on my couch and watching executives at ESPN, leadership roles, tweeting things about it and how horrified they were.

00:24:15.960 And I thought, oh, my goodness, if executives, you know, the unbiased executives' leadership here is tweeting about it, then what does that mean for the rest of us, right?

00:24:25.580 And certainly it was reflected in the stories we did, the way we covered stories for sure, the people that we would have on to analyze certain things, especially some of those deeper, harder news stories.

00:24:36.880 So it breaks my heart, and that way it broke my heart there at a sports network, because that's where it shouldn't even have mattered, right?

00:24:42.580 And we went there when we didn't need to, and sports is always the escape.

00:24:45.680 With NPR, I mean, I kind of liken it a little bit to CNN back in the day, where CNN was a little bit more moderate.

00:24:52.600 And now it goes back to my earlier point.

00:24:55.280 Where can you go within the mainstream media, which NPR is, where you can get just facts and allow us as Americans to form our own opinions?

00:25:05.000 And the answer with mainstream media is nowhere.

00:25:08.040 The funny thing is, is when I remember when I was in high school, 1988 election, I remember being in a civics class and talking about the upcoming election.

00:25:16.620 I went home and talked to my parents about it.

00:25:18.960 Again, you know, my family with my dad's military background, a career army officer.

00:25:22.980 And I just wanted to ask my parents about their thoughts on the election and who they would vote for.

00:25:27.340 And I asked them, so are you going to vote for?

00:25:28.700 And they both looked at me and said, none of your business, because they wanted me to go out and determine on my, like, go do your homework, girlfriend, and figure out who you would vote for and why.

00:25:39.480 We don't want to influence you.

00:25:41.320 And that was my, they did a great job.

00:25:43.120 My parents did.

00:25:43.800 And now you fast forward and look at what the media companies are doing now to make sure we only think one way.

00:25:51.340 As I said earlier, we have to go deeper, like get all those people out of there.

00:25:54.860 That's why I'm so grateful, again, for people like you who report the news.

00:25:58.980 Certainly you have opinion in there, but your opinion is based on what?

00:26:02.500 Number one, experiences that you've been through, but also facts.

00:26:05.580 You happen to react to facts.

00:26:08.080 What a concept.

00:26:09.040 And that's what others have chosen not to do.

00:26:11.380 And that is now the downfall of our media in this country.

00:26:15.140 That's, I mean, honestly, we have a, I would say a larger staff for a podcast and radio show.

00:26:20.340 But the reason for that is because of the thing you just said, because we don't traffic in just opinions.

00:26:24.480 We don't just put on, on the camera, what we read on X.

00:26:27.880 We run down facts.

00:26:29.020 We act like real producers of news and reporters of news and make sure we know what we're talking about.

00:26:34.620 And if we get something wrong, then we'll go correct it.

00:26:36.480 The audience doesn't expect perfection, but when it comes to actual facts, they expect truth as we know it on the day of reporting and not bent opinion.

00:26:45.200 Fine.

00:26:45.560 They understand where I come from, but yeah, this is the NPR has lost the mission.

00:26:50.920 By the way, I have this great memory of my mom saying you and I are the same age.

00:26:54.020 And my mom, I remember I was little and she took me with her to go vote.

00:26:57.640 And I remember being like, it was, you know, so young.

00:27:00.260 My feet didn't hit the floor of the car.

00:27:02.220 And this is back when you can still leave your kid alone in the car.

00:27:04.580 My mom went, she left me sitting there.

00:27:06.240 She went in, she voted, she came back out.

00:27:08.460 And I said, I said, who'd you vote for?

00:27:10.340 And she goes, that's private.

00:27:12.360 I was little.

00:27:14.000 I love it.

00:27:14.560 I think I was like five.

00:27:15.620 And then even then I was like, come on, mom, you know, tell me who you voted for.

00:27:21.100 And she goes, I voted for Ford.

00:27:22.980 And to this day, she denies she voted for Ford.

00:27:25.640 She's like, I wouldn't have voted for Ford.

00:27:28.020 Anyway.

00:27:29.340 Anyway.

00:27:29.680 I love it though.

00:27:30.520 And I do think it's so, so important for, for parents and families to do that.

00:27:35.860 People say to me all the time, oh, you know, you're more conservative because your dad was in the army.

00:27:39.440 But I'm like, my mom and dad did not even discuss it with me.

00:27:43.980 My opinions are based on my experiences and facts that I, God forbid, you go a little bit deeper in your brain.

00:27:51.860 And I tried to teach my kids to do the same thing.

00:27:54.040 They all feel very differently, including about some of the things their mother says and believes.

00:27:57.580 And you know what?

00:27:58.140 But we have a conversation about it.

00:28:00.580 What a concept.

00:28:01.360 Yeah.

00:28:01.920 And I feel like they'll come around eventually.

00:28:03.640 I always say to my kids, you can be whatever you want.

00:28:05.340 You want it.

00:28:05.580 If you're conservative, great.

00:28:06.480 If you're more liberal, that's fine too.

00:28:08.040 But I'm going to get them in the end.

00:28:09.600 They're going to, that's fine.

00:28:11.320 If you, if you try to indoctrinate them, then I'm worried they're going to rebel.

00:28:15.000 So I need to be supportive of their exploration of ideology, but I, I'm going to get them in the end.

00:28:19.360 Here's more on, um, from this, from this piece on MP life at NPR.

00:28:23.720 They talk about after this guy, uh, Yuri talks about what happened after George Floyd.

00:28:29.560 And he says to your point, Sage, it would have been a great time to tackle a difficult question.

00:28:36.220 Is America as progressive activists claim beset by systemic racism in the 2020s?

00:28:41.620 But the message from the top was very different.

00:28:44.960 America's infestation with systemic racism was declared loud and clear.

00:28:50.060 It was a given.

00:28:51.140 Our mission was to change it.

00:28:53.080 And he quotes, uh, the CEO, then, uh, then CEO, John Lansing, we can be agents of change.

00:28:59.280 Then he did the self-flagellation leaders of public media, starting with me must be aware

00:29:03.640 of how we ourselves have benefited from our white privilege.

00:29:06.320 We must understand unconscious bias.

00:29:08.340 We must commit ourselves body and soul to profound changes.

00:29:11.020 He goes on to say that this guy declared diversity on our staff and in our audience was

00:29:15.640 the overriding mission, the North star of the organization race and identity became paramount

00:29:21.660 in nearly every aspect of the workplace.

00:29:23.720 Journalists were required to ask everyone.

00:29:26.360 We interviewed the race, gender, and ethnicity and had to enter it into a centralized tracking

00:29:30.280 system.

00:29:30.940 That's obviously to give people a preference racially, which NPR is illegal.

00:29:35.540 Hi, hi.

00:29:36.680 This is your local lawyer speaking.

00:29:39.080 It's illegal to keep, to make race part of your hiring decisions.

00:29:43.260 Go talk to the EEOC and on and on it went.

00:29:46.360 And he talks about the affinity groups.

00:29:47.720 They, they formed Sage.

00:29:49.340 I'm almost done here.

00:29:50.320 They included the marginalized genders and intersex people of color mentorship program.

00:29:54.680 My God, what you're a marginalized gender person and an intersex person and also a person

00:29:59.000 of color.

00:29:59.380 And you're in the mentorship program.

00:30:01.060 There's probably like one other person in there who's going to mentor you.

00:30:04.300 Then there's the Mi Gente group.

00:30:06.820 That's for Lee Latink's employees at NPR.

00:30:10.340 NPR Noir.

00:30:12.120 That's the black employees.

00:30:13.580 Southwest Asians and North Africans at NPR.

00:30:15.700 My God, they're really zeroing in.

00:30:19.320 OMA for Muslim identifying women, gender expansive and transgender people in technology throughout

00:30:25.260 public media.

00:30:26.260 Okay.

00:30:26.480 That's a little bit more expansive.

00:30:28.640 Kevra for, forgive me.

00:30:29.760 I don't understand how to pronounce that Jewish heritage and culture.

00:30:32.560 NPR pride, which is LGBTQIA.

00:30:34.840 If you weren't already swept into the marginalized gender and intersex person, I, when did they

00:30:40.760 do the news?

00:30:41.600 No wonder they get so much wrong.

00:30:44.580 They just have meetings to have meetings to figure out which new words and phrases and

00:30:49.980 acronyms to make up.

00:30:51.820 Like I'm constantly Googling.

00:30:53.620 I didn't even know what's this.

00:30:55.520 Like these are all words that didn't exist just a couple of years ago.

00:30:58.780 I mean, this is what we're spending our money on.

00:31:01.280 In the meantime, you look at the morale of employees throughout most of corporate America

00:31:04.600 and it's in the tank.

00:31:05.760 I wonder why.

00:31:06.660 Because what they're doing with those groups is they're continuing, they're just continuing

00:31:10.280 to divide.

00:31:11.760 To me, that is when it changed.

00:31:12.860 2016, yes, Trump.

00:31:14.240 Then you go to the pandemic in conjunction with George Floyd and everything went south.

00:31:19.240 And I remember watching when I was at ESPN and on those airwaves and you had people going

00:31:24.440 crazy over it and yelling and emotions and crying on our airwaves based on George Floyd.

00:31:30.740 What has not happened is going back and sharing the facts with your viewers.

00:31:37.040 That's what the vast majority of media have chosen not to do, to go back and look at what

00:31:42.740 was happening actually in the patrol car with George Floyd before the incident with Derek

00:31:47.380 Chauvin even began and how he was saying he couldn't breathe at that point.

00:31:50.800 That's the part that's heartbreaking because what has happened since then is really devastating.

00:31:54.700 We didn't pay attention to the facts about this criminal record, which does matter.

00:31:58.860 There's a statue now in downtown Minneapolis based on George Floyd.

00:32:02.460 In the meantime, we're taking historical statues down around the country for people who really,

00:32:07.680 really did have things to do with where our country is today and perfect as it was then

00:32:13.120 and is now.

00:32:14.380 So my question is, how do we progress from this?

00:32:18.000 How are we going to go forward?

00:32:19.140 Because when you continue to divide, like in corporate America with all those different

00:32:22.600 groups and all the DEI stuff, it doesn't help.

00:32:25.520 You have fear right now running rampant, especially from people who are, I guess, not in those

00:32:32.580 categories, right?

00:32:33.660 Not a woman, a man of color or LGBTQI plus XYZ.

00:32:39.120 Like if you're just a white male, a white female, you're afraid right now.

00:32:43.360 I mean, I talked to a lot of those men.

00:32:45.500 I had so many people.

00:32:46.580 I was at the final four last weekend, Megan, in Phoenix on Saturday.

00:32:50.560 And I had, I can't tell you, maybe over a hundred people come up to me and say, thank

00:32:57.080 you.

00:32:57.360 Please keep speaking up because we don't want the country to be divided like this.

00:33:01.400 I don't care what color you are.

00:33:02.280 I don't care who you vote for.

00:33:03.460 We're just trying to come together.

00:33:04.540 And I go to work and I am afraid to talk.

00:33:06.760 I'm afraid to go to HR.

00:33:07.960 I'm afraid to ask questions.

00:33:09.360 It got me choked up because I realized that having conversations like this and then talking

00:33:14.360 about the topics that you and I talk about so often, the transgender sports issue and just

00:33:19.660 racism in general and how it's really overblown in my opinion, how it just continues to divide

00:33:25.240 and not bring people together, which I believe the vast majority, vast majority of people

00:33:30.300 want.

00:33:30.620 You're always going to have your fringe on the left and the right.

00:33:33.540 As long as there's humanity, there will be racism.

00:33:35.980 There will be prejudices.

00:33:37.020 And so stop it, like stop, focus on the good in the middle and not dividing, but people

00:33:41.540 are afraid.

00:33:43.000 And excuse me, that's what inspires me to keep going and to keep talking, even though sometimes

00:33:48.200 it's kind of scary because it has nothing to do with me at this point.

00:33:52.000 Like it's about so much more and so many other people who live in fear right now.

00:33:58.040 And the only way we combat this, because the media companies aren't going to stop.

00:34:02.180 There's too much money to be earned by claiming everything is racist and sexist and transphobic,

00:34:07.980 et cetera.

00:34:08.580 The only way this gets quote unquote fixed or at least softened a little bit is if we continue

00:34:13.840 to have these conversations and call out the BS and call out the crap.

00:34:18.260 And I understand the fear why people don't, because I lived it for years and I've been

00:34:23.540 criticized for waiting too long to come out and talk about it.

00:34:26.260 Fine.

00:34:26.680 I did it when I was ready, when I was able, even though I wish I hadn't taken as long,

00:34:31.300 but now we're here.

00:34:32.360 And what are we going to do with it?

00:34:33.760 Because if we don't and we have a platform, what about everybody else who doesn't?

00:34:38.600 I feel responsibility now.

00:34:39.840 So it's now or never, frankly, is that dramatic?

00:34:42.980 You did.

00:34:43.740 You did come out and talk to about it to the extent you felt comfortable while employed

00:34:47.680 by a very woke dictatorial company and raising three children.

00:34:51.600 I mean, I, I know you personally, I know like you would have been in a very tough spot if

00:34:55.840 they had fired you from ESPN, um, a few years ago.

00:34:58.880 And so it's fine for them to say you should have spoken out a bullshit.

00:35:02.380 You know, we need every voice whenever the voices come to it sooner would be better than

00:35:06.980 later for most, because we need a massive army to fight this nonsense in the mainstream

00:35:10.860 media.

00:35:11.360 But you're on the early side on these issues.

00:35:13.720 I mean, this, like, it's still all these agencies have been captured.

00:35:17.640 You know, Fox News is still doing the pronoun game and, uh, the transgender, you know, assigned

00:35:23.080 it birth, birth nonsense.

00:35:24.360 Like all that's happening in these even right-leaning corporations.

00:35:27.640 So, okay, I want to get to what's happening with sports.

00:35:31.020 But before I get there, cause you're talking about people being afraid, this is one of the

00:35:33.920 reasons why they're afraid you've seen, um, these women getting punched in the face in

00:35:38.300 New York city lately.

00:35:39.020 There's been this weird rash.

00:35:40.600 I don't know if you've seen this story, but a bunch of women, many, many women are just

00:35:44.480 walking along the street now in New York and they're getting punched in the face by random

00:35:47.640 guys.

00:35:48.380 It's not just one perpetrator.

00:35:49.880 They did arrest one guy, but it appears to be multiple perps and they're not doing anything.

00:35:55.860 They're just, some of them were on their phone.

00:35:57.680 Okay.

00:35:58.140 Whatever.

00:35:58.600 They're not paying attention.

00:35:59.400 That doesn't normally lead to a punch in the face.

00:36:01.960 Others are doing nothing, just walking.

00:36:03.620 They get attacked from behind enter, um, Amanda Marcotte, uh, Amanda Marcotte, who I think

00:36:10.800 this is from slate.

00:36:11.760 Is it not you guys?

00:36:12.720 And, uh, her takeaway on this is that it's MAGA.

00:36:19.280 This is all MAGA inspired hate for women, uh, salon, same thing.

00:36:26.980 Um, okay.

00:36:27.840 She writes, okay.

00:36:30.340 First of all, it's very man Haiti.

00:36:31.420 The alleged victims are mostly young and pretty.

00:36:33.820 And most of them say they were minding their own business.

00:36:35.740 Whatever the excuse, the angry man concocts.

00:36:38.080 The impetus is always the same.

00:36:39.700 The eyes of a woman are directed at someone or something that is not him.

00:36:43.120 And he is indignant over it.

00:36:45.100 Well, the one guy they arrested seems like a nutcase sage.

00:36:47.280 I'll just say that.

00:36:47.920 Like, I don't think he was caring about eyes going left or right.

00:36:50.640 This guy doesn't seem like he's well and hasn't been for a long time, but okay.

00:36:53.500 Let's blame it on men in general.

00:36:55.900 These stories resonate because the nation is having a moment of increasingly unhinged male

00:37:00.300 fury at women for daring to have lives that are centered around something other than catering

00:37:04.860 to a man's every whim unleashed by Donald Trump and the MAGA movement.

00:37:10.220 There's an upswell of loud male entitlement shouting at us from every corner.

00:37:16.540 We see it in the male fans of Jordan Peterson, in the rise of trad wives online, or Ben Shapiro

00:37:22.320 setting fire to a Barbie doll.

00:37:23.980 I'm just condensing here.

00:37:25.220 Or MAGA pundits telling lies about birth control or right wing men yelling because Taylor Swift

00:37:30.240 has cats or because she dates a hunky vaccinated NFL player.

00:37:34.340 Uh, and then finally she says the rise of MAGA is fueled by misogyny, but it's less a backlash

00:37:41.480 than a tantrum, a rage explosion by men who want to restore their dominance, but fear that

00:37:47.140 this time women won't buckle to their bullying.

00:37:50.740 The rash of men punching women in New York captures this moment in a dark way.

00:37:57.660 Everything's got to be tied back.

00:37:59.540 That's, that's her theory, right?

00:38:01.240 This is why people don't want to say, I kind of like Trump.

00:38:04.080 I might vote for him because the next thing you know, you're punching women in the face

00:38:08.340 in New York.

00:38:08.780 I know it was you and you're like, yeah, it's so easy because there's no accountability for

00:38:13.800 it.

00:38:14.200 Who's going to call them on, right?

00:38:15.840 Nobody.

00:38:16.320 So that's why they continue to say it.

00:38:17.800 I would venture to say that the people who are doing the punching, um, it'd be funny to

00:38:23.580 do a little poll who they are voting for, who they did vote for in the past.

00:38:28.080 If they even know where, what it's like to vote or what it means.

00:38:31.380 But for the most part, if you say the word Trump in New York city, you get a certain

00:38:35.480 kind of reaction, right?

00:38:36.680 I will say I was there last week and I, I'd seen this, this craziness.

00:38:42.220 And I'm, I'm like, okay, I'm going to walk right in the middle of the street, not the street,

00:38:46.900 of the sidewalk now.

00:38:47.980 So then I'm not close to a storefront where somebody might be hiding, but I don't want

00:38:51.800 to be too close over on the street too.

00:38:53.900 Like, what do people do?

00:38:55.900 What do women do now?

00:38:57.680 Because it has happened.

00:38:59.160 I mean, these videos, I, I kind of had to stop watching them because I, I, you put yourself

00:39:05.100 in that position and what would you do when you could absolutely be killed?

00:39:08.640 Uh, I just love though, how it's automatically, oh, those right wing nut jobs, MAGA, um, it's

00:39:14.640 just not the truth, but you know what it's doing.

00:39:16.600 I just think people aren't as gullible anymore or naive.

00:39:20.800 And I think instances like this are actually turning more people to say, you know what?

00:39:26.560 You guys are insane.

00:39:27.640 And now I just might have to check that box for Donald Trump in November, assuming they

00:39:33.660 allow him to get to that point.

00:39:35.140 But when you have comedians like Michael Rappaport and people like that, you've always been so

00:39:39.620 liberal, so left who are like, what the hell is going on?

00:39:43.060 You know, whether it's, whether it's that craziness to automatically blame MAGA or, or

00:39:46.220 the border, people, people are seeing the next level this has gone to.

00:39:51.020 Um, and you have more and more people out here calling it out.

00:39:53.700 So, um, you got to pray for these women who are just walking innocently in the streets

00:39:58.460 of New York city on the sidewalks.

00:39:59.980 But in the meantime, take note of who is making this so extra divisive and then do something

00:40:07.580 about it with your vote.

00:40:08.400 This is what we say, like votes have consequences and that's kind of what has happened now.

00:40:13.500 I got to say, um, my whole family has been taking Krav Maga lessons with another family.

00:40:20.580 We go on Saturdays and we've been learning and it's all, I don't mean this, but it almost

00:40:25.580 makes you want somebody to mess with you because once you start learning how to actually defend

00:40:31.380 yourself and this is a great fighting tactic.

00:40:33.520 I mean, you just go to town on somebody who comes after you and you don't, I mean, ideally

00:40:37.580 you get away, but if you can't get away, then you fight and you just, you don't let

00:40:41.400 up, it's just like punch, punch, kick, punch, like all over.

00:40:44.340 And my favorite part is they want you to make like aggressive noises while you do it.

00:40:48.820 So yeah, it's so much fun making the, making the scary noises.

00:40:52.540 Wait, the kids are doing it with you.

00:40:54.660 Oh yeah.

00:40:55.140 And we're all like, which is not the right noise.

00:41:00.640 I love it though.

00:41:01.700 I love it.

00:41:02.060 And the key is to not, to not, you know, get punched out to the ground.

00:41:05.680 Right.

00:41:06.360 And so you just like, you have certain ways of hitting and you don't let up, you know,

00:41:11.940 you, you fight dirty.

00:41:13.440 It's basically fighting as they say for the graveyard, not the schoolyard.

00:41:17.020 If somebody is really coming for you.

00:41:18.760 And we were laughing, our, our 10 year old Thatcher's like, what?

00:41:23.460 I need you to post a video of this.

00:41:26.480 I should.

00:41:28.040 I should.

00:41:29.060 So anyway, it's good to learn some self-defense, no matter what your age is my point.

00:41:32.780 Um, and you know, no matter what they try to hang on Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson, I

00:41:39.080 think that's a reference to Charlie Kirk or Trump.

00:41:42.080 This is absurd.

00:41:42.760 We have no idea who's behind this spate of attacks on women.

00:41:46.060 And I think you're right.

00:41:46.880 If we actually got, uh, the numbers, we'd probably be pretty shocked.

00:41:50.260 Okay.

00:41:50.620 Wait, before I go to break to your point of like, this behavior is turning leftists to

00:41:56.460 the right.

00:41:57.380 Um, all that stuff about NPR that, that Uri laid out about what they're doing.

00:42:01.660 Uh, he says that the following, despite all the resources we had devoted to building up

00:42:06.720 our news audience among blacks and Hispanics, the numbers have barely budged in 2023.

00:42:12.560 According to our demographic research, 6% of our news audience was black, far short of

00:42:17.340 the overall U S adult population, which is 14.4% black Hispanics, 7% compared to the overall

00:42:24.020 Hispanic adult population, which is around 19%.

00:42:26.440 Our news audience doesn't come close to reflecting America.

00:42:30.060 It's overwhelmingly white progressive and clustered around coastal cities and college

00:42:35.840 towns.

00:42:36.500 It doesn't work.

00:42:38.940 Black people, Hispanic people, white people.

00:42:41.360 They're interested in the same general things.

00:42:44.200 Can I pay my bills?

00:42:45.960 Is my family safe?

00:42:47.980 Can we get jobs?

00:42:49.640 Is my kid going to have the American dream available to him?

00:42:52.320 And they're not obsessed with skin color or gender or their lady or man parts or all of

00:42:59.160 this nonsense, which NPR is learning the hard way, right?

00:43:03.160 Stand by quick break back with Sage deal.

00:43:06.340 Don't go away.

00:43:10.720 So Sage, we covered this Dawn Staley, who's the coach of the winning South Carolina national

00:43:18.480 women's basketball team at the NCAA tournament, who completely dropped it when she was asked

00:43:24.380 by an outkick reporter, whether she supported men playing against women in women's sports

00:43:29.840 and gave the woke answer of, yeah, I'm for it.

00:43:33.440 I'm for it.

00:43:33.860 And then kind of played the victim by saying, oh, now, you know, I know you're going to,

00:43:37.440 I'm going to get all this negative attention on a big day, but whatever.

00:43:39.760 I know you love her.

00:43:40.860 I saw your tweet, but she completely muffed it.

00:43:44.040 Um, and now as if almost like in a karmic twist, we get the announcement from the National

00:43:51.320 Association of Intercollegiate Athletics, which is not the same as NCAA sports.

00:43:55.560 They don't oversee Dawn and her team, but they do oversee 241 member schools, most of them

00:44:00.960 private with smaller, uh, class sizes, smaller enrollments.

00:44:05.660 And they, on Monday voted unanimously to ban transgender students from participating in

00:44:14.040 women's sports.

00:44:14.820 The trend is not going Dawn Staley's way.

00:44:18.200 It's going our way.

00:44:19.820 And as many times as people are going to call you and me and Riley Gaines and everybody else

00:44:24.780 a bigot.

00:44:25.760 If we take the other side, the truth is, I think Sage, we're winning.

00:44:31.300 We're winning.

00:44:32.180 What do you think?

00:44:33.500 I, I do agree.

00:44:34.600 Um, I was very disappointed in Dawn Staley's statement at that moment.

00:44:38.560 A couple of things really stood out, excuse me, her hesitation spoke volumes to me.

00:44:44.680 Um, she has obviously thought long and hard about this.

00:44:49.120 And I was surprised that she didn't have a better answer quicker.

00:44:54.360 I'm surprised.

00:44:54.760 Maybe it was a lack of thinking somebody would bring it up because it was NCAA tournament

00:44:58.420 time and they're right there on the final four.

00:45:00.220 I don't know.

00:45:01.620 That was disappointing.

00:45:02.400 And deep down though, I don't think she was telling the truth.

00:45:06.160 I don't think she believes, believes that.

00:45:08.220 Uh, and I'm not saying trying to call her out for lying, call it what you will.

00:45:11.640 The point is there's so much pressure on these coaches in those spaces, um, to try to please

00:45:18.600 everybody.

00:45:18.940 And that's impossible at that moment though.

00:45:21.400 I agree.

00:45:22.000 She completely dropped the ball, but I think it's interesting that not more coaches have

00:45:26.340 been asked about it.

00:45:27.540 Um, how about players?

00:45:29.360 They're not really asked about it.

00:45:30.920 And I don't know why that is.

00:45:33.020 Um, it takes an outkick reporter, I guess, to go and ask that tough question.

00:45:37.120 Um, I know the coaches, um, that I've spoken to every single one of them thinks that it

00:45:43.560 is wrong and they're just not being asked.

00:45:47.580 And they're just, therefore, when you have the opportunity, like Don did, they're not,

00:45:51.180 they're not saying what they feel because of the blowback that'll come with it.

00:45:54.460 Don.

00:45:54.840 And I put this in my tweet, Don knows, and everybody knows that she would never have

00:45:59.760 had the hall of fame career that she really did have if she were playing against men, period.

00:46:04.340 I will continue to point out the fact that this is only going in one direction.

00:46:09.320 It's only men who say they're women who are trying to come into women's sports.

00:46:13.760 It's not the reverse.

00:46:15.660 So kudos to the NAIA for doing it.

00:46:18.260 Yes.

00:46:18.780 Smaller schools, private schools, primarily religious schools as well.

00:46:22.320 So I don't think I'm as surprised that the NAIA did this, but it was still taking a stand

00:46:26.600 and doing it.

00:46:27.540 And now as you and many other people tweeted, okay, NCAA, your move, what are you doing next?

00:46:32.940 Uh, also the NXXT, I don't know if you just say next, uh, golf league for women.

00:46:39.120 Uh, they, I think a month ago or so said a similar thing that basically, um, your gender,

00:46:46.060 your sex at birth is how you will be defined.

00:46:49.240 And so therefore the young man that was playing on that tour who won a tournament and was trying

00:46:55.000 to qualify to play in the LPGA, um, he is no longer allowed.

00:46:59.340 Uh, I forgot Haley, I think his first name was, is, um, so, so slowly, but surely there

00:47:05.280 are people and leagues who are taking stands.

00:47:08.940 Every single person, by the way, the final four, again, every single person that came up

00:47:12.260 to me, everyone's like, what are we doing?

00:47:13.780 What the hell is going on?

00:47:14.800 This is insanity.

00:47:15.540 And it's people on both sides of the aisle.

00:47:18.200 This is one of the few issues and topics that you, everybody agrees on.

00:47:23.280 You've got almost 80% of Americans who believe that this shouldn't even be a topic.

00:47:28.660 Um, so yeah, we got to keep being loud and people, I actually had Riley Gaines on my show

00:47:33.740 the other day and I'm not sure when she's going to, it's going to come out, but she was

00:47:36.680 awesome.

00:47:37.120 Um, and Megan, you know, her, she's 23 years old.

00:47:41.480 The fact that she is doing this and having the courage to stand up is absolutely incredible.

00:47:45.700 Um, I give her so much credit, but NAIA, thank you.

00:47:49.140 And XXT, thank you.

00:47:51.120 Dawn Staley do better because I know she is better, but let's keep asking coaches, putting

00:47:57.160 them their feet to the coals and ask what they say, because I guarantee you, they're going

00:48:01.100 to start to speak the truth.

00:48:01.980 They don't want their women hurt.

00:48:04.420 They don't want all the progress in 52 years of title nine, continue to be taken away.

00:48:08.660 And when people say, Oh, and somebody shouldn't have to be said, someone shouldn't have to

00:48:13.240 be like, that's what's, that's what's going to happen at this point.

00:48:15.680 And, and it already has happened, especially at the high school level doesn't, shouldn't

00:48:19.360 have an NCAA athlete get hurt in order for Dawn and others to recognize it.

00:48:23.680 Got to run Sage all the best.

00:48:26.020 Thank you so much for coming on and go ahead and subscribe to the Sage steel show, wherever

00:48:29.900 you watch or listen to your podcast.

00:48:31.200 Thank you, Megan.

00:48:34.420 What if I told you, you could look and feel younger without going under the knife or even

00:48:43.380 the needle?

00:48:44.200 It's very possible.

00:48:45.680 And a plastic surgeon wants you to think holistically before you go to those more extreme measures.

00:48:53.240 Dr. Anthony Yoon is a board certified plastic surgeon, award-winning author, and anti-aging

00:48:58.540 expert.

00:48:59.000 His new book, younger for life, feel great and look your best with the new science of

00:49:05.960 auto juvenation offers a blueprint for retaining youthfulness naturally and what to do.

00:49:14.600 So that surgery really would be a last resort for you, Dr. Yoon.

00:49:20.020 It's wonderful to have you on the show.

00:49:22.140 Great to see you.

00:49:23.140 I want to tell the audience something funny about you, uh, just to kick it off years ago

00:49:28.960 and the person shall remain nameless.

00:49:30.900 But years ago, a friend of mine said she just got her breasts done and she was like, you've

00:49:37.160 got to see them.

00:49:37.980 They're amazing.

00:49:38.860 And she lifted up her shirt and showed me her new breasts.

00:49:42.160 And I have got to tell you, they were spectacular and it was your work.

00:49:47.400 And that is how I first heard your, I'm like, oh my God, who is this man ever since I, whenever

00:49:53.440 I hear anything that Dr. Yoon has done or is saying, I'm like, it's worth clicking on.

00:49:57.480 Let's hear what this genius has to say.

00:49:59.740 Oh, thank you.

00:50:00.780 I appreciate it.

00:50:01.880 Thank you, Megan.

00:50:02.900 Yeah.

00:50:03.060 A long time ago, maybe 15 years ago, we did a lot of segments together when you're on America's

00:50:07.560 newsroom with Bill Hemmer.

00:50:08.580 And that was early in practice.

00:50:11.460 He had a lot of fun.

00:50:12.460 That was great.

00:50:13.500 And now you've gone on to do so much.

00:50:14.820 So you're still doing plastic surgery and you're in Michigan, but you're also sort of

00:50:19.860 more focused on non-surgical options that are available to people who don't have the

00:50:26.040 money to go under the knife, don't want to go under the knife.

00:50:28.380 I mean, there's all sorts of reasons not to go under the knife.

00:50:30.300 So let's, let's, I want to get into your background and talk about you as well, but let's just start

00:50:33.980 there.

00:50:34.180 Why do you think surgery is the last resort?

00:50:38.580 Yeah, I mean, I was taught as most plastic surgeons to actually consider surgery as the

00:50:44.460 main goal, but the goal of being a surgeon is to bring people to the operating room.

00:50:48.560 And there are certain sayings, the cut is to cure.

00:50:50.700 The only way to heal is with cold steel that we followed.

00:50:54.180 And then I had a patient of mine who really had an absolutely horrible complication after

00:50:59.160 a very routine operation.

00:51:01.120 And it caused me to really rethink, maybe the goal of being a plastic surgeon shouldn't

00:51:05.580 be to bring my patients to the operating room.

00:51:07.400 Maybe it should be the opposite.

00:51:09.000 It should be, how do I keep people out of the operating room, yet still get them to look

00:51:13.380 and feel amazing and hopefully, hopefully prevent the need from going under the knife.

00:51:19.460 And there's been some revolutionary technology that's developed in the past 15 years that,

00:51:24.180 that will help people do this.

00:51:26.680 How much of your recommendations are product-based and vitamin, like nutrition-based?

00:51:32.320 And how much are more, like, lasers?

00:51:34.880 Because that's, I love the lasers, I have to say.

00:51:37.100 Those, I think, have been wonderful.

00:51:38.460 I'm happy to tell the audience what I get done, too.

00:51:41.080 Yeah, no, definitely.

00:51:42.060 I mean, I think when we look at the whole spectrum of anti-aging, it's the way I look at it, it's

00:51:46.180 like you're building a house.

00:51:47.400 And people come in to see me and say, hey, I want a facelift.

00:51:49.640 But they haven't done all this other stuff.

00:51:51.480 And it's like you're thinking about building a house, but you're starting with the spire

00:51:55.180 or the attic.

00:51:57.080 When you really look at overall, how do you keep yourself looking young or even turn back

00:52:01.420 the clock, it's building that house.

00:52:02.880 But the foundation of that house is the food that you eat.

00:52:05.860 So that's the foundation is what you eat.

00:52:07.880 The next step is going to be skincare.

00:52:10.140 And then probably, like, the second floor is going to be those laser treatments and non-invasive

00:52:14.240 and minimally invasive options.

00:52:15.860 And surgery and invasive stuff is way, way up at the top.

00:52:19.020 So, hmm, OK, and how early do people need to start worrying about this?

00:52:24.920 You know, I mean, I've got a 12-year-old daughter.

00:52:27.120 And I mean, for that matter, it's not just female, 14-year-old boy and a 10-year-old boy.

00:52:31.560 But I imagine Thatcher doesn't have to do anything to himself yet.

00:52:33.660 He's got perfect skin because like all 10-year-olds do.

00:52:36.400 But how early should we be thinking about it?

00:52:39.140 Well, I think as a parent, you should be thinking about it from the beginning.

00:52:42.580 And really, it's mostly with, let's say, sunscreen and sunblock.

00:52:45.900 And so if you've got children, you're going to go out on vacation.

00:52:47.900 Definitely, you want to apply the sunblock on them.

00:52:49.940 You want to protect their skin because the damage that they get, even as a child,

00:52:53.920 they can see potentially later on in life.

00:52:56.580 As far as doing things like a skincare routine, this is something that's been in the news lately.

00:53:01.540 All of these pre-teens going to Sephora and spending hundreds of dollars on skincare products,

00:53:07.060 that is absolutely unnecessary.

00:53:09.600 But once you get into the late teens to early 20s,

00:53:12.120 that's when people really should start focusing on just keeping their skin nice and healthy.

00:53:16.860 When you're in your mid-20s, that's when you really have to focus on it

00:53:20.180 because that's when you start losing collagen in your skin.

00:53:23.500 Really?

00:53:24.100 That young?

00:53:25.860 You do.

00:53:26.880 Yeah.

00:53:27.120 Starting in the mid-20s, we lose about 1% of the thickness of collagen in our skin every year.

00:53:33.280 And women, unfortunately, once they go through menopause,

00:53:35.740 it was a recent study that found that in the five years after menopause,

00:53:39.500 women lose 30% of the thickness of their collagen of their skin,

00:53:43.700 and then 2% a year there afterwards.

00:53:45.900 And so it really does start in the mid-20s.

00:53:48.800 And so really, but taking care of your skin overall,

00:53:51.140 I think it's something I've got two kids.

00:53:52.500 We've started out really when they were very young.

00:53:54.840 Hey, we're going to go out.

00:53:55.680 Let's put the sunblock on you.

00:53:56.800 You don't want to get burned.

00:53:58.680 Can I just ask you a quick question about that?

00:54:00.440 Because, you know, we sometimes will bring on very holistic people who are,

00:54:05.300 they don't want you to get a sunburn exactly,

00:54:06.920 but they don't like sunscreen because they think it may cause cancer.

00:54:10.600 There are a lot of people who believe there's bad products inside sunscreen

00:54:14.540 that are almost worse than a sunburn.

00:54:17.260 Now, I, as a very fair person, you know, Irish mostly,

00:54:22.340 I always have the sunscreen lathered on me and my kids,

00:54:25.260 but I do sometimes worry a little bit about all the chemicals in there.

00:54:28.800 So what's your thought on that?

00:54:30.480 Okay.

00:54:30.740 So this is what you do if you are holistic minded,

00:54:33.440 but you're also evidence-based, you know, that there is science out there.

00:54:36.740 And so first thing is number one, you do not want to get a skin cancer.

00:54:39.900 You know, I'm a plastic surgeon.

00:54:40.820 I cannot tell you how many people have come to my office.

00:54:43.560 They get a skin cancer on their face.

00:54:45.220 It's a little dot that may be a little area that won't heal.

00:54:48.600 It bleeds a little bit.

00:54:49.980 And they go to the dermatologist to get taken off

00:54:51.760 and they got a huge chunk missing from their face.

00:54:55.160 You do not want to get skin cancer.

00:54:56.920 You do not want your kids to get it or anything else.

00:54:58.780 So definitely sun protection is important,

00:55:00.540 but there are certain ways to protect your skin

00:55:03.120 that can be potentially safer than others.

00:55:05.720 So sun protection comes in a chemical sunscreen or a physical sunblock.

00:55:12.280 Physical sunblocks are basically zinc oxide and titanium dioxide.

00:55:16.660 These sit on the surface of the skin.

00:55:18.780 And when the UV rays hit the skin, they basically will block those sun's rays.

00:55:23.680 Those are in general, very safe.

00:55:25.320 And if you look at, hey, what am I going to use for my kids?

00:55:27.540 And I in general recommend to use those types of physical sunblocks.

00:55:31.960 The problem and the knock with them though,

00:55:34.080 is that they can leave kind of a whitish hue on the skin.

00:55:37.520 And it may not be a big deal.

00:55:39.120 You know, yeah, if you've got like lighter skin.

00:55:40.660 I know my husband does this and he goes to play tennis and he looks like a geisha.

00:55:44.240 I'm like, what are you, honey, you got to rub it in.

00:55:46.940 And so, but even if you do, you know, if you've got, if you're a person of color,

00:55:50.960 you know, if you've got darker skin, then there's nothing you can really do.

00:55:53.680 So in those cases, I recommend a chemical sunscreen.

00:55:56.840 So if your husband, let's say he's got a little bit of darker skin, he's tanned a bit,

00:56:00.100 he doesn't want to look like that geisha, then go with a chemical sunscreen.

00:56:03.500 But ideally avoid octanoxate and oxybenzone.

00:56:08.220 These are two of the very common sunscreen ingredients that are believed by some to be

00:56:13.240 potential hormone disruptors.

00:56:15.100 And they're also the ones that may disrupt coral reefs as well.

00:56:18.620 And so if you go with safer chemical sunscreen, avobenzone, megzoral XL,

00:56:24.480 those have not been shown to be potential hormone disruptors.

00:56:27.340 You can get basically your sunscreen.

00:56:29.120 The thing with sunscreen, though, is you put it on your skin and it has to go through your skin.

00:56:33.300 And it basically creates a chemical reaction to block the damage of the UV rays.

00:56:38.060 And so in general, with our kids, we recommend going with the physical sunblocks.

00:56:42.780 You know, they don't care if they're at the beach and they look a little pasty.

00:56:45.860 Kids don't care.

00:56:46.540 They're still running in and out.

00:56:48.280 The worst thing you can do, in my opinion, is get a chemical sunscreen spray.

00:56:52.360 And you see these parents just spraying the kids.

00:56:54.460 And there's this huge, like, cloud of sunscreen dust that they're breathing into their developing lungs.

00:57:00.080 That's what I would definitely discourage you from doing.

00:57:02.960 Where does mineral-based sunscreen fall in those two categories you just laid out?

00:57:07.960 So mineral-based is going to be kind of like mineral makeup.

00:57:10.740 And the idea is to use a physical sunblock, so zinc oxide and titanium dioxide.

00:57:15.820 But they will mix that now into actual makeup.

00:57:18.540 The only concern with that, especially somebody very fair like yourself, is that are you going

00:57:23.340 to get enough coverage from those?

00:57:25.100 And so even if you've got, let's say, mineral makeup, it's got sunblock in it, you may still

00:57:29.740 want to apply the sunblock over that, especially somebody who's very fair like you are.

00:57:34.800 Okay.

00:57:35.260 All right.

00:57:35.600 Good to know.

00:57:36.100 And I've had many moles removed.

00:57:38.720 I did have a basal cell carcinoma removed from my temple.

00:57:43.440 It was fine.

00:57:44.160 The guy did a great job of stitching it up.

00:57:46.160 But you do have to be so careful.

00:57:47.660 I haven't taken in the sun willingly since I was like 21.

00:57:52.140 But as you point out, the damage you get when you're young comes back to haunt you.

00:57:56.520 One thing I would recommend for you and anybody who's had a history of skin cancer on their

00:58:00.500 face is to get on some type of a retinoid.

00:58:03.380 Ideally, if your skin can tolerate it, tretinoin or retin-A, studies have shown that it can reverse

00:58:08.480 early pre-skin cancers.

00:58:10.840 And so if you've got a skin cancer, it's not going to get rid of it.

00:58:13.260 But if you've got some cells that are kind of progressing in that direction, it may actually

00:58:17.140 reverse them.

00:58:18.600 And so if you have something like yourself, beautiful woman, beautiful skin, you do not

00:58:22.840 want to get another skin cancer.

00:58:24.280 I would talk with your dermatologist about either a retinol, if you've got more sensitive

00:58:28.060 skin, or tretinoin, which is prescription strength.

00:58:30.900 That's what I use.

00:58:31.180 If your skin's full-sign.

00:58:31.980 I use retinol because I do it.

00:58:33.780 I've tried it and it was like, it peeled and I hated it.

00:58:38.560 And then I found this retinol and I'm like, okay, I can tolerate this.

00:58:41.760 This is good.

00:58:42.340 And I actually do think it's good at like sort of resurfacing.

00:58:45.800 Yeah.

00:58:46.000 And that really, if you're looking at anti-aging skincare ingredients, retinol is typically

00:58:50.320 the number one.

00:58:51.320 That's what most dermatologists and plastic surgeons would recommend.

00:58:54.560 If you can tolerate tretinoin, which is the prescription strength, some insurances will

00:58:59.160 actually pay for that.

00:59:00.040 So people can get it much cheaper that way, but it is harder to tolerate.

00:59:04.020 I can't tolerate it because my skin's too sensitive for it.

00:59:07.300 But if you've got somebody with more oily skin, somebody with kind of acne prone skin,

00:59:11.560 then actually a lot of, a lot of insurances will pay for that as an acne treatment.

00:59:15.180 But at the same time, Hey, it's a great anti-aging cream as well.

00:59:18.980 That's great.

00:59:19.800 Well, wait, you know, while, while we're on the subject of skincare, I do want to talk to

00:59:22.660 you because I know you have some recommendations in the book and people can buy the book if they

00:59:26.800 want all of these and you should buy the book because it's very interesting.

00:59:29.800 Thank you.

00:59:30.300 Younger for life.

00:59:31.140 But you sent me some products in advance of the segment today, and I didn't use them

00:59:36.380 yet because I wanted you to talk about them and kind of walk me and the audience through

00:59:41.040 why you sent me these and what, what this routine looks like and why you recommend it.

00:59:45.140 And you can get all of these from Dr. Yoon, if just Google, you know, what's the website

00:59:48.960 so they know specifically?

00:59:50.200 It's YoonBeauty.com.

00:59:52.000 So these are my own skincare line.

00:59:54.400 Yeah.

00:59:54.560 Y-O-U-N Beauty.com.

00:59:55.800 This is my own skincare line where it's made with natural and organic ingredients, but

00:59:59.360 it has actual scientifically proven components like the retinol, like vitamin C and all that.

01:00:04.660 And so, yeah, what we're talking about is what's something I call the two minutes, five

01:00:07.920 years younger skincare routine.

01:00:09.600 So it's so confusing.

01:00:11.100 You go to Sephora, you go to Ulta, you go to all these big box stores and stuff, and

01:00:14.480 there's so many products out there.

01:00:16.520 How do you know what to use?

01:00:17.800 And so what I wanted to do is create a very simple skincare routine that anybody can do

01:00:21.980 that definitely works.

01:00:23.480 And we actually tested this skincare routine on a number of subjects, and we took photos

01:00:27.720 of them before and after.

01:00:29.460 And we found that after doing it for two months, they looked an average of about five years

01:00:33.140 younger.

01:00:33.680 And it takes about two minutes a day.

01:00:35.560 So that's why I call it the two minutes, five years younger skincare routine.

01:00:38.400 Now, Megan, your skin is too nice.

01:00:40.380 You use this for two months.

01:00:42.120 It's not going to make you look five years younger.

01:00:43.920 But you never know person with average skin who maybe doesn't take quite as good care

01:00:49.040 of their skin, then it can definitely do that.

01:00:51.360 So the average person doesn't wear as much makeup as I do either.

01:00:54.260 So maybe that average person is ahead of the game versus me.

01:00:57.480 But because I wear so much for the camera, I do make sure I clean my face religiously.

01:01:02.500 And I know that's one of your rules.

01:01:04.060 Every night, you've got to wash your face in the mornings too, but especially at night

01:01:08.020 to get off all that makeup and grime in this city and all this.

01:01:12.080 And you, one of the things you sent me was green tea cleanser, which I like the name

01:01:15.840 of that.

01:01:16.720 Green tea is like some sort of elixir.

01:01:18.480 It's in everything now.

01:01:19.340 But why do you like green tea cleanser?

01:01:21.960 So the green tea cleanser is great because it's great for all skin types.

01:01:25.020 And the green tea is filled with antioxidants.

01:01:27.980 You know, there are five causes of aging of the skin.

01:01:29.820 And one of the big ones is oxidation or free radicals.

01:01:33.040 And these are basically damaging molecules.

01:01:35.420 They damage the DNA of our cells.

01:01:36.920 And so our body's defense against them is antioxidants and green tea are some of the

01:01:42.060 most powerful antioxidants that we have.

01:01:44.820 So for me, I like it because it's a great way just to start your skincare routine.

01:01:48.980 Every morning, you want to cleanse your skin with a cleanser appropriate for your skin

01:01:51.880 type.

01:01:52.640 So if you've got oily skin, then a more foaming cleanser is good.

01:01:56.140 If you've got drier, more sensitive skin, then you want to look for something more hydrating.

01:02:00.360 Now, this one is great really though for all skin types.

01:02:02.760 And that's why, you know, that's why it's the one that I use.

01:02:05.420 That's why I sent it to you.

01:02:06.320 Okay.

01:02:07.760 Next up, we have the retinol, speaking of retinol, moisturizer, which is an interesting

01:02:12.320 combo.

01:02:12.860 It's not just in my current routine, I just put on the retinol serum, like with an eyedropper.

01:02:18.020 But this combines it with a retinol, with a moisturizer, which I like because it helps

01:02:22.160 you skip a step.

01:02:24.020 Exactly.

01:02:24.600 So as far as an evening skincare routine, all you really have to do is cleanse.

01:02:29.560 So important.

01:02:30.340 As you mentioned, you got to get rid of the day's worth of dirt and grime and pollution and

01:02:33.920 all that stuff.

01:02:34.380 And then I do recommend as the big step is the retinol moisturizer.

01:02:38.380 Now, you can do a retinol serum like what you do and then apply a moisturizer on top of

01:02:42.520 that afterwards.

01:02:43.940 Moisturizers don't do anything to truly de-age your skin.

01:02:47.860 They're just meant to be for comfort.

01:02:49.480 And retinol is a bit drying, especially in the first two months or so of using it.

01:02:54.480 And so really at night, that's all you have to do for a nighttime skincare routine.

01:02:59.040 Cleanse your skin, apply a retinol.

01:03:01.120 And then if you want to do a moisturizer on top of that, you can.

01:03:03.780 And if that's all you do, that's fine.

01:03:06.280 That's that's the most important thing.

01:03:08.360 This is so good.

01:03:09.040 Guys, listen up.

01:03:10.360 I know you may think that all this stuff is only for women, but this is especially important

01:03:14.380 for men because they don't usually wear makeup.

01:03:17.820 They don't usually use the tricks we do to keep ourselves looking better.

01:03:22.320 And so their great skin is actually, I would argue, even more important than it is for a

01:03:27.680 woman who, you know, it's more socially acceptable for us to have the makeup on.

01:03:30.720 So listen up.

01:03:31.540 You could do just this.

01:03:32.540 And I know men don't want to do a lot of stuff.

01:03:34.660 Trust me.

01:03:35.060 I've told the audience before.

01:03:36.380 My husband, Doug, has three things.

01:03:38.160 He splashes water on his hair.

01:03:40.320 He brushes his teeth and he puts on deodorant.

01:03:42.220 That's like his whole routine.

01:03:43.640 So but anyway, this is just two steps, a cleanser and a retinol moisturizer.

01:03:47.500 So you don't have to actually do retinol.

01:03:49.440 Then there's a CE antioxidant serum.

01:03:52.480 And I promise the audience, this is not an advertisement for Dr.

01:03:54.440 You know, like he gave me this stuff, but he's not paying me to do any of this stuff.

01:03:58.020 I just know I've known him for a long time.

01:03:59.600 You can trust him.

01:04:00.680 So CE antioxidant serum.

01:04:02.540 What's this about?

01:04:03.940 So every morning you cleanse your skin.

01:04:06.140 Now, if you only cleanse your skin once a day, make sure it's at night, not necessarily in

01:04:09.500 the morning, but if you can, if you have the time, cleanse your skin in the morning, and

01:04:12.540 then you want to apply an antioxidant serum.

01:04:14.420 Vitamin C is the most common one that you find.

01:04:17.440 Once again, we've talked about the green tea and it being an antioxidant.

01:04:20.720 Vitamin C is the most easily available antioxidant that's going to fight off those free radicals

01:04:26.540 and essentially protect your skin from pollution, from cigarette smoke, from automobile exhaust,

01:04:32.440 and even from ultra processed foods that can also be filled with free radicals.

01:04:36.480 Now, there was a study that found that if you combine vitamin C and vitamin E, then that

01:04:41.800 can be synergistic together, that the two of them actually work together as antioxidants

01:04:45.500 for an even bigger effect.

01:04:48.080 And that's why the CE antioxidant serum is the one that we created, because you want to

01:04:52.060 get even better effect out of the one serum.

01:04:54.800 And so you cleanse your skin in the morning, then you apply the CE antioxidant serum or a

01:04:59.180 vitamin C serum afterwards.

01:05:00.520 And then the third step, like we talked about earlier, that's the sunscreen, at least SPF

01:05:05.680 30, especially if you're going to go out for a day.

01:05:08.580 And that really is it.

01:05:09.680 Morning, that's what you do.

01:05:10.700 And then the evening, you do the cleanser and the retinol.

01:05:13.400 Two minutes a day.

01:05:14.860 And once again, with average skin, you can look upwards of five years younger after just

01:05:18.960 a couple of months.

01:05:20.780 Okay.

01:05:20.900 Now, as my super fabulous friend once told me, who was a gay man, sweetheart, you have

01:05:27.680 to exfoliate, otherwise it's like watering the desert.

01:05:31.100 And you did send me Yoon Beauty Advanced Exfoliating Cream.

01:05:35.980 Now, how often do we have to do the exfoliation?

01:05:38.900 Because I will confess, this generally is a pain in the ass and it's an extra step.

01:05:43.560 And I usually just wait for my skin to get like kind of flaky and then take a washcloth

01:05:46.880 to it, which I realize is not sophisticated nor nice for tender skin, but it works.

01:05:51.540 So the exfoliation step is, if you've got sensitive skin, then once a week is typically

01:05:58.060 sufficient.

01:05:58.980 And that's not so hard, is it, Megan?

01:06:00.360 Once a week?

01:06:00.940 You can do that.

01:06:01.920 Like in the shower, do you have to leave it on for a long time or what's the story?

01:06:04.760 No, no, no.

01:06:05.340 So you can do it with like, you know, what I sent you was a gentle scrub, exfoliating

01:06:09.040 scrub, or you can do it.

01:06:10.520 Some people will do it like an at-home chemical peel, like they put like a mask on.

01:06:14.620 Once a week, if you've got sensitive skin, two to three times a week, if you've got a quote

01:06:18.600 unquote normal or a kind of thicker or oily skin.

01:06:21.540 And the benefit really of exfoliation, as you mentioned, is it's going to help get rid

01:06:24.900 of those, that upper layer of dead skin cells to get your skin smoother.

01:06:28.700 But on a cellular level, when you exfoliate your skin, you actually send a cellular signal

01:06:33.600 to the deeper layers of the skin to turn over more quickly.

01:06:37.380 And so it gets your skin actually turning over because when you're young, your skin turns

01:06:41.480 over every six weeks or so.

01:06:43.560 As you get older, that turnover process slows down.

01:06:46.900 It starts to take eight weeks, 10 weeks, 12 weeks.

01:06:49.540 And so you get a buildup of this kind of dead skin on the surface.

01:06:52.920 By exfoliating regularly, you're going to cause that process to go quicker.

01:06:57.660 Now, one benefit though, you're on retinol, one benefit of retinol is that also is an exfoliator

01:07:02.780 of your skin.

01:07:03.660 And so if you were going to skip one step of this routine, Megan, and you say, hey, you

01:07:07.520 know what, I've got sensitive skin and I don't like scrubbing.

01:07:10.500 I feel like it's maybe more aggressive than I want to be.

01:07:12.680 You may not need to because the retinol is going to actually do some of that for you.

01:07:15.820 Okay.

01:07:17.460 All right.

01:07:18.060 And then there's this, I'm excited to talk about this.

01:07:20.200 There's a big old jar for the listening audience and it reads supplemental collagen, dietary

01:07:26.080 supplement.

01:07:27.260 So, I mean, we've had so much like back and forth about collagen and of course we want

01:07:33.080 it in our face, but do we want it in our diet?

01:07:36.240 Like how would I use this supplement and what does it do?

01:07:39.700 Because I've heard it both praised and knocked.

01:07:41.320 Yeah.

01:07:42.480 So if you were to talk about this 10 years ago, then it's true that there was controversy

01:07:47.040 and studies really weren't done and we didn't know.

01:07:50.320 The idea, as I mentioned earlier, is collagen is, it's a huge component of our skin.

01:07:54.560 It's about 70 to 80% of the thickness of our skin is made of collagen and it's the part

01:07:58.660 of our skin that caused our skin to be tight and smooth and youthful.

01:08:02.480 But as I mentioned earlier, we lose about 1% of the thickness of collagen starting in

01:08:07.620 our mid twenties.

01:08:08.200 And then once again, women after menopause, so much more than that.

01:08:11.280 So how do you fight that kind of process of collagen degradation off?

01:08:16.200 Well, you eat a good amount of healthy sources of protein because collagen is a large protein.

01:08:22.680 But another thing you can do is you can take a collagen supplement.

01:08:25.220 So the knock on collagen supplements has always been, it's a large protein.

01:08:30.800 How do you know your body is going to actually absorb it?

01:08:33.280 And a lot of people say, oh, you know, you don't even know it's going to get absorbed.

01:08:35.720 Well, the fact is, is that we know that.

01:08:38.100 And so these products now, if you're going to get a good collagen peptide supplement,

01:08:43.880 you want to make sure it's hydrolyzed.

01:08:46.400 Hydrolyzed collagen means that you take that large collagen protein and you break it down

01:08:50.680 into individual amino acids or chains of amino acids called peptides.

01:08:55.680 These are much smaller and they are bioavailable.

01:08:58.880 Your gut will actually absorb them.

01:09:01.460 And there are multiple studies that show, different studies show you could take it for

01:09:06.660 30, 90 days to two months or two months to three months or so, I just say, and you can

01:09:12.280 see a statistically significant improvement in wrinkles and hydration.

01:09:16.120 And they've even done biopsies of the skin afterwards and have found an increased amount

01:09:21.200 of collagen in the actual skin after doing it for two to three months.

01:09:26.000 So it's not something that is immediate.

01:09:28.360 It's not something that is like a laser treatment where you're going to see this dramatic result,

01:09:32.800 but it's just kind of gently from the inside supporting that collagen production.

01:09:38.320 Now collagen...

01:09:38.580 You take it daily and what do you put it in?

01:09:40.700 Yes.

01:09:42.080 So ideally you can put it in hot water or coffee.

01:09:45.240 For me, I used to do coffee and unfortunately after doing it for a few months, I went to

01:09:50.660 the dentist and they're like, what are you doing?

01:09:52.340 Your teeth are getting discolored.

01:09:55.420 So now I just put it in my hot water every morning.

01:09:57.900 And but you can do it hot water, hot tea.

01:10:00.380 You can mix it up in a smoothie or even a smoothie bowl.

01:10:03.680 So those are the most common ways to do it.

01:10:06.380 I have to say one of the most beautiful women I know is a big believer in this.

01:10:10.480 She puts in her coffee every day and I wasn't sure whether it was the thing or not, but I'm

01:10:16.480 going to trust you.

01:10:16.900 I'm going to try it.

01:10:17.660 And so that's good.

01:10:19.060 Okay.

01:10:19.180 This is a very helpful overview.

01:10:21.100 Men and women, the skincare is something we can all agree on.

01:10:24.640 Now let's go next level because you spend a lot of time in the book on nutrition.

01:10:31.720 Younger for life is the name of the book.

01:10:32.940 Younger for life by Dr.

01:10:33.900 Anthony Yoon.

01:10:35.740 And this is where I get kind of like, oh, how many carrots am I going to have to eat?

01:10:41.220 How I know plants, plants, plants, plants, plants, and no meat, meat, meat.

01:10:44.720 It's like no fun of any kind, not going to be able to have any alcohol or coffee, like

01:10:49.260 bottom line, like outline the, the ideal younger for life skin diet.

01:10:56.940 So, I mean, you touched on it.

01:10:58.440 And what I try to do is I focus on the causes of aging.

01:11:01.200 And so I would say, I would argue there are five main causes of aging of the skin, nutrient

01:11:04.700 depletion, collagen degradation, oxidation or free radicals, which we talked about in

01:11:10.420 chronic inflammation and a buildup of cellular weight.

01:11:13.500 So these are kind of five reasons why, and it's kind of a lot of scientific jargon, but

01:11:16.800 really what it comes down to is what you mentioned earlier is what we want to have is a diet that's

01:11:21.520 going to focus on those things.

01:11:22.680 And so you mentioned, okay, colorful fruits and vegetables, these are filled with antioxidants.

01:11:26.700 They fight free radicals, which we talked about already.

01:11:29.540 What about foods that fight inflammation?

01:11:31.780 Okay.

01:11:32.000 Those are going to be foods that are going to be rich in omega-3 fatty acids, like cold

01:11:36.700 water fish, like tuna, trout, salmon.

01:11:39.300 Those are great.

01:11:40.540 Also monounsaturated fatty acids, like foods like nuts and seeds, olive oil, avocados.

01:11:47.180 Those are great anti-inflammatories.

01:11:50.020 Another group of foods that I would encourage people to try are fermented foods.

01:11:53.800 Our food now is completely sterile, and there are no probiotics in it all other than really

01:12:01.140 yogurt in the standard American diet.

01:12:03.080 And so trying to add foods that do have these probiotics, these beneficial for your gut bacteria

01:12:08.800 can really help to reduce inflammation because we do know there's also a connection between

01:12:13.200 the health of our gut and the health of our skin.

01:12:16.500 So really what I try to do-

01:12:17.440 Can you just spend a minute on what that would look like?

01:12:18.500 The ones I know of are like kimchi, maybe pickles.

01:12:22.680 What about apple cider vinegar?

01:12:25.220 I don't know.

01:12:25.540 Can you talk about what you mean by the stuff that's been fermented?

01:12:29.080 Yeah.

01:12:29.320 So fermented foods, the most common ones, just like you mentioned, kimchi is one.

01:12:33.200 Miso is one.

01:12:34.640 Tempeh is also another one.

01:12:37.560 Sauerkraut.

01:12:38.780 A lot of times people just have it on their brats, but sauerkraut is also a great one.

01:12:42.360 Um, even kombucha, kombucha is a drink now that if let's say you're drinking a lot of

01:12:47.280 soda pop, try to, you know, reduce maybe a couple of cans of soda pop and try the kombucha

01:12:51.800 instead, because that also is filled with beneficial probiotics.

01:12:55.080 And then yogurt, you know, yogurt is the most common one here in the United States.

01:12:58.880 So if you can try to do like once, maybe even twice a week of some type of a fermented

01:13:03.540 food, then that really is going to help with your gut.

01:13:06.520 And if you've got a healthy gut, that really is also going to show on your skin.

01:13:10.080 There, we heard your little Midwestern, uh, roots.

01:13:13.700 You included the word pop at the end of soda.

01:13:17.800 Pop, have you ever soda pop?

01:13:19.960 Um, okay.

01:13:20.640 So that's that, that actually makes some sense.

01:13:22.540 I know you're also a big believer and I've heard this from my own doctors, from many smart

01:13:27.200 people who talked to me about health, uh, bone broth, bone broth.

01:13:31.880 Now I'm going to confess on the new, I hearing this from everyone I trust, I went and I ordered

01:13:36.780 a bunch of it and there it sits on my shelf in my pantry untouched.

01:13:40.300 Cause I don't know how to eat it.

01:13:41.720 Like it does.

01:13:42.960 It seems like a lot to just put it in a bowl and stick it in the microwave for a minute.

01:13:46.720 Like it's kind of got a funky little bit of a taste.

01:13:50.680 So is there a way of making bone broth more appealing that like we could actually do?

01:13:55.680 And, and should we be doing it every day?

01:13:58.320 Um, you can do it every day.

01:14:00.140 So what are the benefits of bone broth?

01:14:02.140 Essentially bone broth for those people who aren't really familiar is you take different

01:14:06.800 parts of the animal.

01:14:07.960 Some of it's like, you can take chicken feet, you can take bones and cartilage and stuff,

01:14:12.320 uh, and you mix it with water and vinegar and you mix it with water and vinegar and then

01:14:18.040 you basically simmer and you cook it for like 12 to 24 hours, sometimes even longer.

01:14:22.260 And the idea is that, um, all of the collagen breaks down and it basically turns into this

01:14:28.660 broth.

01:14:29.460 Um, and so obviously you take those animal parts out and then the broth itself is almost

01:14:33.560 pure collagen.

01:14:34.220 And you know, it's good quality broth because if you heat it up, it's going to liquefy.

01:14:38.860 So you can drink it.

01:14:40.060 If you let it cool, it's going to solidify into gelatin.

01:14:43.780 Uh, gelatin is very similar.

01:14:45.540 It's basically pure collagen as well.

01:14:47.780 Um, and so what I recommend with bone broth, first of all, is the easiest way to do it.

01:14:52.260 Is basically just put it in a mug and drink it, you know, as a drink instead of, let's

01:14:57.500 say a cup of coffee in the morning, or maybe in the evening, instead of tea, then you can

01:15:02.140 do bone broth.

01:15:03.000 And there are a lot of holistic doctors who really believe that it's very soothing to

01:15:06.880 the gut, especially if you've got gut issues like IBS and stuff like that, then that can

01:15:11.800 be very helpful from a skin perspective.

01:15:14.760 It's almost pure collagen.

01:15:16.460 So are there studies to show that drinking bone broth can improve the health of your skin?

01:15:21.020 The answer, Megan, is no, but there are no studies show that it doesn't help your skin.

01:15:27.700 There just aren't any studies on it at all.

01:15:29.500 So we just have to assume that most likely because we know collagen supplements work,

01:15:33.720 that bone broth probably works as well.

01:15:36.200 Okay.

01:15:36.760 All right.

01:15:37.180 Let's move on to the nitty gritty because this is what people are here for.

01:15:39.980 They want to know what are the procedures available to them to keep them look younger,

01:15:45.540 looking younger.

01:15:46.460 And we're moving up the line.

01:15:49.740 And that brings me to lasers, which I definitely want to talk to you about.

01:15:53.240 I'm going to tell the audience what I get done.

01:15:54.880 And I love these lasers.

01:15:56.960 I'm on the air and I have sensitive skin.

01:16:00.340 So I have to be careful.

01:16:01.660 You know, I can't get like the big old bulldozer laser or one of those crazy CO2 laser procedures.

01:16:07.580 That's like you're, you know, that's like you're terrifying to your children for weeks.

01:16:11.580 But I, the, my doctor uses on me something called Pico and something called Clear and Brilliant.

01:16:19.040 And he alternates it one and then the other one, the next time, like kind of throughout the year,

01:16:25.080 you know, every six to eight weeks or so.

01:16:28.680 Yeah.

01:16:29.180 And they're very gentle.

01:16:30.740 They're very gentle.

01:16:31.420 Like you, you don't need a numbing cream.

01:16:33.800 You just go in there.

01:16:34.500 He does it.

01:16:34.980 You don't even, nothing's kind of happened.

01:16:37.000 And then you leave, but it keeps your skin looking really good.

01:16:40.060 So how do you feel about lasers and those two lasers?

01:16:43.780 So those are great.

01:16:44.960 And the Pico, the Pico second lasers are interesting because they actually started being used for

01:16:50.100 tattoo removal because most lasers are nanosecond lasers.

01:16:54.580 Pico are actually on a completely different wavelength.

01:16:56.720 They're much more powerful in a way, but they don't create as much heat.

01:16:59.820 And what they found after treating people with tattoos and they started saying, Hey, how would

01:17:04.220 this do for anti-aging?

01:17:05.600 And they found, wow, this can really help to stimulate the collagen of the skin and create

01:17:09.460 tightening of the skin and smoothing effect.

01:17:11.260 But without a lot of the inflammation and stuff that you can get from some of the more nanosecond

01:17:16.280 lasers that, you know, it's kind of like, it's more precision versus just like blasting

01:17:20.120 away.

01:17:21.220 And the clear and brilliant is great to a very mild laser.

01:17:23.880 These are things are, I think are very good for somebody like yourself, where you want

01:17:27.640 to maintain the beautiful skin that you have.

01:17:30.220 You mentioned earlier, there are ablative like CO2 lasers, where you literally will laser

01:17:34.480 all the skin off a person's face.

01:17:36.680 Those are not being done as commonly as they used to be because they're kind of old fashioned

01:17:41.320 and they're almost too strong.

01:17:43.220 Now, kind of the gold standard for being more aggressive would be the fractional lasers,

01:17:47.300 where instead of burning all the skin off your face, they burn a fraction of the skin.

01:17:52.280 Wait, so I want to talk about the Fraxel.

01:17:55.000 I literally had a Fraxel last Thursday and I knew it was gonna be off the air on Friday,

01:17:59.740 but I could have gone in the air on Friday.

01:18:01.080 I just looked slightly sunburned, maybe slightly puffy.

01:18:04.220 The audience might've been like, hey, you look a little like you hung over.

01:18:07.940 And then it was sandpapery for sure.

01:18:10.720 It felt like my skin felt sandpapery, but you could put makeup on it.

01:18:14.440 You know, you wouldn't want somebody getting super close and looking at it.

01:18:17.060 They'd be like, oh, it looks a little like kind of dry, but it was fine.

01:18:20.380 I mean, I saw a bunch of friends.

01:18:21.580 We went out, nobody noticed, nobody, there weren't any marks on me or anything like that.

01:18:26.580 And I felt like I had my new sort of resurfacing by Tuesday.

01:18:30.940 So that I had it done on a Thursday afternoon.

01:18:33.000 By Tuesday, I felt like brand new skin and it feels great and it looks good.

01:18:39.300 And that it's called Fraxel dual because I had Google, I was like, what is Fraxel?

01:18:44.100 And there's some scary looking Fraxels online.

01:18:46.840 I don't know if I had something that was mild or something,

01:18:48.680 but can you talk about what that is?

01:18:51.020 So yeah, you can tune it.

01:18:52.480 Now, all the lasers basically work off of the same thing.

01:18:55.260 And really most skin tightening treatments or rejuvenating treatments do the same thing.

01:18:59.100 And it all comes down to trying to damage the collagen in the skin.

01:19:03.740 And when the collagen, which once again, 78% or so of our skin is made of that collagen,

01:19:08.780 it starts to fray and fall apart as we get older.

01:19:11.580 And when you damage the collagen in a controlled fashion and it heals, it heals in a tighter fashion.

01:19:17.840 So chemical peels do that by using an acid.

01:19:20.780 Lasers do that by using light energy to create heat.

01:19:24.280 And there are other treatments like microneedling that does it with making a little poke in the skin.

01:19:28.640 So what you had done, a fractional laser then basically heats the skin, but it's in a pixelated fashion.

01:19:34.840 So instead of like burning all the skin, it burns tiny little columns into the skin.

01:19:40.280 So you can almost sometimes see tiny little dots afterwards.

01:19:43.380 And that's where you've actually had the treatment.

01:19:45.400 And so then you've got areas of skin that have not been affected that allow it to heal faster.

01:19:50.080 And then these little tiny column, burn columns into your skin that are healed much more quickly

01:19:55.580 because it's not like the whole thing being burned.

01:19:58.040 And so now what we, the goal now is to try to get the results you can get from this ablative,

01:20:04.120 burning all the skin off type of a laser, but doing it in a much easier fashion

01:20:07.640 over several fractional type of a treatments.

01:20:11.080 This thing was amazing.

01:20:12.340 And they did put on the numbing cream, which I wore for an hour just sitting there.

01:20:17.040 And I did not feel anything.

01:20:19.080 It felt kind of, I felt heat, but zero pain.

01:20:23.240 It was quick.

01:20:24.440 And then afterward I looked a little sunburned and I felt a little heated and that was it.

01:20:30.020 Fine.

01:20:30.280 I mean, honestly, you, I could have gone out that night.

01:20:32.380 They don't want you to put makeup on that night, but you can put it on the next day.

01:20:34.740 It was almost like, I don't want to say it was a nothing, but it was, for me, it was pretty

01:20:37.740 close to a nothing.

01:20:38.760 And I really liked the, like the way everything looked once I got past the sandpapery few days.

01:20:44.260 That's another one that I told Doug he should consider, but he's, he's like, no, no,

01:20:48.600 he got something done with his skin doc, where you put this cream on it's for sun for skincare.

01:20:54.440 And then they put you under some light in the derms office and he's never forgiven me.

01:20:59.140 He's never forgiven me all over his face.

01:21:03.460 He just said it was so painful.

01:21:05.620 He had to leave early.

01:21:06.520 You're supposed to sit there for like 10 minutes and he couldn't make it.

01:21:09.300 Well, you know, men, and I'm a guy, I 9% of my patients are women that the toughest people

01:21:15.420 in the world.

01:21:16.180 Okay.

01:21:16.980 Are not big, strong, young tattooed guys.

01:21:19.960 It's older women.

01:21:21.460 They are by far the toughest people.

01:21:24.160 If you go to the hospital, you know, who tolerates IVs and interventions and they don't, they don't

01:21:29.540 grimace or anything.

01:21:30.500 It's older women, not you.

01:21:32.820 You're not there yet, but it's, it's the grandmas.

01:21:35.640 They're the absolute toughest patients.

01:21:37.640 No question.

01:21:37.920 I believe it.

01:21:38.980 And he was saying, my, my doctor was saying he has 90 year old women who get this FRAXL

01:21:42.280 done like, but they're, they're tough and some are just like, just do it.

01:21:45.420 Go ahead.

01:21:45.720 We're good.

01:21:46.600 Um, all right.

01:21:47.120 I'm going to take a quick break and then we're going to talk about laser.

01:21:49.900 We're going to talk about, um, fillers, Botox, and then the real deals like the, what, what

01:21:55.920 if you, if you feel like you got to get something cut, what does Dr. Yoon think you should consider

01:22:00.760 and what does he think you definitely shouldn't get?

01:22:02.960 That's what actually one of the most interesting things he has to say.

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01:23:04.780 Oh, look at that cute grandma.

01:23:10.340 Reminds me of my grandma.

01:23:13.020 What a sweet looking woman.

01:23:14.300 What did they do to grandma?

01:23:20.960 I'm going to help because I'm going to need you.

01:23:23.560 Okay, thank you very much.

01:23:25.940 Bye.

01:23:26.580 Bye.

01:23:27.520 Bye.

01:23:29.080 What was that?

01:23:30.600 She looks like Megamind.

01:23:38.700 Yeah, basically my breast implant popped again.

01:23:43.700 Again?

01:23:44.020 And I'm having surgery to take them out next week.

01:23:47.940 I am going to go back natural.

01:23:50.620 Oh, good.

01:23:50.940 Wow.

01:23:57.400 Or should I just keep it like this?

01:24:00.420 No, don't keep them like this.

01:24:04.280 That's Dr. Anthony Yoon, author of the book Younger for Life, reacting on his YouTube channel to extreme plastic surgery.

01:24:12.800 And the YouTube channel is gold.

01:24:14.400 Um, you've got a podcast called the holistic plastic surgery show, but on YouTube, you've got 5 million subscribers.

01:24:21.120 That's amazing.

01:24:22.400 Uh, 8.5 million followers on Tik TOK and 1.1 million followers on Instagram.

01:24:27.600 You're a huge, huge hit.

01:24:29.820 And I love to watch your takes on who has had what done.

01:24:35.240 It's so interesting.

01:24:36.120 All these celebrities who deny that they've had anything.

01:24:39.460 Dr. Yoon, he gets right to it.

01:24:41.260 Um, okay, so let's start with what you, what you like and when it comes to like filler, Botox, and surgery.

01:24:49.140 Because I will tell the audience, they know I use Botox, but I am very anti-filler, very anti-filler.

01:24:56.240 It just goes wrong too often.

01:24:59.420 I think like anything, it really comes down to a little of something can be a really good thing.

01:25:05.000 But when you find a little something is a good thing, then plastic surgeons go haywire on it and becomes a bad thing.

01:25:10.160 You know, back in 2004, I was one of the co-authors of a seminal paper called the Volumetric Facelift.

01:25:15.560 And this was a paper that was one of the first ones that described that our face ages in three dimensions.

01:25:21.440 As we get older, it's not just that things sag, but we lose volume.

01:25:24.740 And so, uh, my mentor out in Beverly Hills at the time taught me how to do fat injections.

01:25:29.440 And this was before fillers got popular or any of that type of stuff.

01:25:33.200 And if you do it in a very conservative fashion, same thing with fillers, it can look really nice.

01:25:39.620 But unfortunately, that's not what's going on now.

01:25:42.520 And you see Real Housewives and these celebrities out there and it's pillow face mania.

01:25:47.700 It's just too much.

01:25:49.700 Yeah.

01:25:49.960 They make themselves look fat and they haven't fooled me about their age either.

01:25:55.940 So now you're old and fat.

01:25:58.660 Why don't you just pick one?

01:26:00.040 At least you can be old and skinny.

01:26:01.200 The problem is you get somebody who's in their twenties and they get a bunch of filler and

01:26:04.960 now they look like there's somebody in their fifties who's trying to look like they're in

01:26:07.760 their twenties.

01:26:09.160 It backfires.

01:26:10.760 And it's weird.

01:26:11.460 It's like the, this is where everybody gets it, right?

01:26:13.420 The nasal labial folds.

01:26:14.900 Nasal labial folds.

01:26:15.660 Yeah.

01:26:16.200 You look weird if you don't have lines there when you're of an, like I'm 53.

01:26:19.920 If I didn't have any line there, you'd be like, I guess you got a bunch of filler

01:26:23.840 inject.

01:26:24.380 Like I, it just looks like some line is expected.

01:26:28.060 Yes.

01:26:28.880 Yes.

01:26:29.140 And even babies have lines here.

01:26:30.600 And yes, we do get patients who come in and they say, I just want to obliterate this line.

01:26:34.520 It's like, no, it doesn't look right.

01:26:35.940 And it looks stiff and you smile and it looks stiff and not right.

01:26:39.400 I think, you know, the way I look at filler and filler is the number two most popular cosmetic

01:26:43.400 treatment is to use it very sparingly, ideally up in the cheek areas, because we do lose volume

01:26:48.780 there and adding just a little bit of volume can make a big difference.

01:26:51.480 But filler also, unlike Botox, you know, Botox, worst thing that happens if you get Botox is

01:26:56.820 maybe you get a crooked smile or your eyebrows look kind of funky for a few months and then

01:27:01.560 it wears off.

01:27:02.320 You know, there's no permanent effects.

01:27:05.100 But if you get bad filler, not only can you look weird, that's actually the least of it.

01:27:10.580 There are people who've had filler and they've lost parts of their lips, parts of their nose,

01:27:14.820 get, they literally necrosis.

01:27:16.500 They turn black, they fall off and people have gone blind from injections of filler.

01:27:20.800 So you really want to be careful with how you have it done and who does it.

01:27:24.780 And there are certain very simple things to make sure.

01:27:27.540 Number one, make sure it's a hyaluronic acid filler.

01:27:30.660 That's a type of filler in Rustin or Juvederm.

01:27:32.980 If you get a complication, you can actually melt it away.

01:27:36.160 But there are other fillers out there that you can't melt away.

01:27:38.880 And if you get what we call an intravascular occlusion, where they inject that filler accidentally

01:27:44.280 into a blood vessel, basically you're screwed.

01:27:47.380 You know, you can lose parts of your nose and lip turns black and falls off and it can be

01:27:51.300 disaster.

01:27:52.520 All right, ladies, listen to me.

01:27:55.080 Get the lasers, get the Botox, ask your doctor about the order.

01:27:59.140 Cause I don't know that in some things you're not supposed to have those too close to each

01:28:02.040 other.

01:28:02.240 I don't know how it works.

01:28:03.360 I don't believe in the filler.

01:28:05.000 Get the, if this is what I do and it allows you to age, but age well, and you don't look

01:28:11.260 weird and desperate.

01:28:12.580 Like I've seen, I'm not going to name names, but so many people in my business on, on television

01:28:17.520 news overdo the filler.

01:28:20.360 They overdo the Botox too.

01:28:22.380 And they just look like freaks.

01:28:23.840 And now the latest thing is the lips doc and the lips.

01:28:27.800 Okay.

01:28:28.420 I guess I, I don't like that.

01:28:30.280 Doug's like, don't ever touch your lips.

01:28:32.260 But if you want to get your lips done.

01:28:34.120 Okay.

01:28:34.640 But everyone, they're going for the Kim Kardashian.

01:28:37.620 I don't know how she did.

01:28:38.440 She made her lips look really big and flat, but what happens with most people is they

01:28:43.640 stick filler in there and their lips stick out like a ledge.

01:28:46.620 Like you could put your teacup on there.

01:28:48.540 And so what's happening.

01:28:51.140 So traditionally, when you inject the lips, you inject along what's called the vermilion

01:28:55.780 border.

01:28:56.160 And that's the part where your lip and your skin meet.

01:28:59.100 And so if you inject along that vermilion border, what you're doing is you are outlining

01:29:03.360 the lips.

01:29:04.060 And that's what you're talking about is kind of a ledge in that area.

01:29:07.500 But I'll tell you, getting your lips done is the most painful thing ever.

01:29:11.280 Like I hate doing it and I do it occasionally, but my, but I hate it because I feel so bad

01:29:15.540 because it hurts.

01:29:16.300 Like you wouldn't believe.

01:29:17.640 My friend told me that she said she tried to leave after one quadrant and the doctor was

01:29:21.700 like, no, you have to see it through now.

01:29:24.560 I had one patient.

01:29:25.800 She came in and she was in her sixties with her husband.

01:29:28.800 God bless them.

01:29:29.500 And she just wanted to get her lips done for her husband.

01:29:32.140 And every time I would stick the needle in, she'd start screaming like, dear God, Lord,

01:29:35.440 thank you.

01:29:35.840 Dear God, please help me.

01:29:37.220 And I kept stopping.

01:29:38.880 And then she, and I go, are you sure we can just stop?

01:29:40.980 She goes, no, I'm not doing this for my husband.

01:29:42.800 He wants these lips.

01:29:44.100 And her husband's like, no, honey, it's okay.

01:29:46.380 You don't have to do it.

01:29:47.300 She's like, do it, doctor.

01:29:48.700 So I checked her again.

01:29:49.820 Like, oh, dear God, Lord Jesus in heaven.

01:29:52.440 Oh, it was the most screaming I've ever had in my office in 20 years.

01:29:55.580 And we did get through it, but it hurts.

01:29:59.040 That's not worth it.

01:29:59.760 Unless you have no lips.

01:30:00.640 There are some people who have no lips, you know, like Frank Burns on MASH.

01:30:03.860 I remember he had no lips.

01:30:06.120 Then I get it.

01:30:07.060 But like, if you have normal lips, this is a weird fad we're going through.

01:30:10.060 We're really hurting ourselves.

01:30:11.520 And I'm not sure about those injections.

01:30:13.560 One little simple thing.

01:30:14.700 Okay.

01:30:14.860 Two things that you can do.

01:30:15.900 One thing is there's something called the Botox lip flip.

01:30:18.880 So if you're getting a little Botox, if you take just a couple of units and put it

01:30:22.100 at your Cupid's bow, which is a part of your lip that kind of comes up, two little points

01:30:27.140 here, then it will actually cause your lip to evert a little bit and cause your upper

01:30:31.820 lip to look a little bigger.

01:30:33.220 So if you want to try something with the lips, that's an easy thing to do.

01:30:36.540 Otherwise, there are a lot of topical lip plumpers out there, or you can even make your

01:30:40.280 own.

01:30:40.920 You take your normal lip gloss and you get some food grade peppermint oil.

01:30:44.940 You put a couple of drops in your lip gloss, mix it up, and then apply it to your lips.

01:30:49.720 That peppermint oil will create a little bit of a tingling sensation, and it can create

01:30:54.420 a little bit of irritation to cause your lips to look a little bit bigger.

01:30:57.400 It may last an hour or two if you're going out to an event or on a date.

01:31:00.600 By the time it wears off, hopefully the date's long gone or your reunion's over and people

01:31:04.560 wouldn't be any the wiser.

01:31:06.300 All right.

01:31:06.840 Now, why...

01:31:07.820 I understand that Kardashians deny everything.

01:31:09.820 Okay.

01:31:10.120 That's on the record.

01:31:11.460 Why are their lips, in your estimation, so big and flat?

01:31:15.400 Like, they don't seem to have the ledge.

01:31:17.780 They seem to have done something else.

01:31:19.380 It almost looks like there's an implant in there.

01:31:22.280 There are implants that are being used, but they're not used often.

01:31:25.640 You know, I believe, and I'm not her doctor, so this is just my opinion, that there are

01:31:29.760 certain celebrities like Meg Ryan, I believe, who may have had one done in the past.

01:31:33.100 Just my opinion.

01:31:34.580 But with the Kardashians, I do believe it's mainly filler, but it's filler that's not just

01:31:39.480 injected along that border of the lip, but it's injected through the meat of the lip as

01:31:44.060 well.

01:31:44.620 And there are fillers nowadays, too, that are much finer than the other fillers that,

01:31:49.460 let's say, you'd use for the cheeks.

01:31:50.780 They're going to look and feel much softer.

01:31:53.800 But, I mean, I don't know the Kardashians.

01:31:56.100 My guess, though, is that they probably wouldn't pass the kiss test.

01:31:59.800 The kiss test is something that if...

01:32:02.080 To test whether you've had good lip filler in that if you kiss somebody who has lip filler,

01:32:06.240 if it feels like you're kissing a spare tire, then they have failed the kiss test and,

01:32:10.760 unfortunately, Holly didn't get a great job.

01:32:13.700 Speaking of the Kardashians in a spare tire, what is in Kim Kardashian's butt?

01:32:18.980 I've got to know.

01:32:20.360 So she actually, on her show, had an x-ray done in her butt to prove that she does not

01:32:26.560 have butt implants.

01:32:27.560 And I don't think she does.

01:32:28.460 And the x-ray would have shown actual buttock implants.

01:32:31.360 They're solid silicone.

01:32:33.260 They're basically just the solid silicone masses that you put into the butt.

01:32:37.580 But I think she's had what's called a BBL, Brazilian butt lift.

01:32:41.360 And essentially what this is, is you have liposuction fat from the tummy or the thighs,

01:32:45.640 and you purify the fat and inject it into the butt.

01:32:48.440 This is the way most people are doing it.

01:32:50.640 But in order to do it, you have to have enough fat to harvest.

01:32:54.320 So you can't have a Brazilian butt lift, Megan.

01:32:57.140 You don't have enough fat to harvest to do anything.

01:33:00.040 But back in the day, I believe that Kim may have had that done.

01:33:03.960 Is that why you think the waist is so skinny?

01:33:07.420 Like there used to be fat there, but then it's basically been lipoed out?

01:33:11.500 Exactly.

01:33:12.120 So you get a two-pronged approach where you narrow the waist and the hips, and you fill

01:33:17.060 out the butt.

01:33:18.120 The problem with the BBL is that it is the number one most dangerous cosmetic surgery

01:33:23.420 being performed today.

01:33:25.020 There was one study that found that upwards of 1 in 3,500 people that underwent this

01:33:29.680 operation at one point in time would actually die from the operation.

01:33:33.060 And these are usually young women.

01:33:35.580 Yeah.

01:33:35.860 And so in the last 10 years, well, we believe it's called a fat embolism.

01:33:41.140 And so the surgery, when you think about what we do is we lipo the fat, and then we inject

01:33:45.660 the fat into the butt.

01:33:46.640 Now, when you inject fat into an area, it's only going to survive and stay there long term

01:33:51.180 if there's blood supply that gets to that fat.

01:33:54.520 Well, what part of our body has the most blood supply?

01:33:57.100 Our muscles.

01:33:57.840 Our muscles are filled with blood supply, with blood.

01:34:00.360 And so where are the biggest muscles of the body?

01:34:03.460 The gluteus muscles.

01:34:05.100 And so doctors would inject fat into the gluteus muscles as a way to assume that it's going

01:34:09.300 to take better and get a better result.

01:34:11.420 But also inside these large muscles are these huge veins.

01:34:15.220 And they would tear the veins, and the fat would go into the vein.

01:34:18.400 The fat goes into the bloodstream, and it clogs the actual arteries of the lungs.

01:34:25.420 And then people die within minutes.

01:34:27.800 It's called a fat embolism.

01:34:29.520 And it's kind of like if you've got the Death Star, and you've got Luke Skywalker shooting

01:34:33.880 those missiles just in the right place, and the whole thing explodes.

01:34:37.520 That's what a fat embolism can be with a BBL.

01:34:40.360 So now the techniques have changed.

01:34:41.340 Did it happen to somebody famous's mother?

01:34:43.320 Was it?

01:34:44.020 I can't remember.

01:34:44.700 It was like a rapper.

01:34:45.640 Well, Kanye West's mother died after plastic surgery, but this was not from a BBL.

01:34:50.180 But there are lots of BBL deaths out there.

01:34:52.920 Actually, there was one.

01:34:54.200 I think that this was a woman who was a Kim Kardashian lookalike that was a huge Instagram

01:34:58.560 model maybe a year ago.

01:35:00.440 But her butt was actually bigger than Kim's.

01:35:02.560 And I think she may have died from a BBL mishap.

01:35:04.840 Oh, my God.

01:35:07.000 Yeah, this is like, this is really now you're really out there messing with, you know, these

01:35:11.840 procedures just in the name of quote, beauty, you know, taking your life.

01:35:15.080 You got to be real careful.

01:35:16.920 Yes, definitely.

01:35:17.700 And you want to make sure if you're going to have like a procedure like BBL, and I don't

01:35:21.200 do them anymore.

01:35:21.780 After I saw these studies, I said, look, I'm not doing a lot of BBL surgery.

01:35:26.160 I don't dabble in this thing.

01:35:27.600 So I'm not going to do it.

01:35:28.820 But there are doctors who do it every day.

01:35:30.480 They do it safely.

01:35:31.320 But you just got to make sure you really are very choosy with your surgeon if you choose

01:35:35.580 to do an operation like this.

01:35:37.140 Oh, my God.

01:35:37.940 And don't, for the love of God, go south of the border.

01:35:40.900 And that's all these women who want to get it cheaper.

01:35:42.640 It's like, just stick with somebody who got educated in America and is board certified

01:35:47.540 and had to go through all the legal hoops we make doctors go through thanks to our lawyers.

01:35:52.000 This is the one area where lawyers help us.

01:35:54.260 I tell you, Megan, I get so many people.

01:35:56.120 I used to cover the ER and we get so many people come in who've had surgery in the Dominican

01:35:59.680 Republic and stuff like that.

01:36:00.960 They've got drains sticking out of them still.

01:36:02.920 They've got tubes.

01:36:04.220 And you know what?

01:36:04.760 What do they do?

01:36:05.380 They pay cash to go out there to save money.

01:36:07.640 And then they don't have a doctor here.

01:36:09.000 So what do they do?

01:36:09.460 They go to the ER to get treatment there.

01:36:11.980 And if they don't have insurance, who pays for that?

01:36:14.600 We do.

01:36:15.540 We pay for it.

01:36:17.020 Yeah.

01:36:17.460 And it's like now they've gotten their cosmic surgery at a discounted price.

01:36:20.880 And their post-op care is paid for by us at an exorbitant price because it's through

01:36:25.340 the emergency room.

01:36:26.080 So let's talk about the five top BS procedures because I know you really have some strong

01:36:31.760 thoughts on what we're getting that makes no sense.

01:36:35.180 Give me a few of those.

01:36:35.840 There are procedures that have been discarded and doctors unfortunately forget why they

01:36:41.460 discarded them and they try to do them again.

01:36:43.820 And there was a procedure called the thread lift.

01:36:45.840 And these are barbed sutures where you basically take a suture, which is like fishing line.

01:36:50.580 And if you cut tiny little cuts into it and you run it underneath the skin, those tiny

01:36:54.500 little cuts in the suture will attach onto your connective tissue and make it look like

01:36:58.820 areas are being lifted.

01:36:59.860 And so back in like 04, people were doing these thread lifts and saying, oh my gosh,

01:37:04.280 it's a non-surgical facelift.

01:37:05.480 This is amazing.

01:37:06.280 And they pull the skin.

01:37:07.840 And six months after the procedure, the results were gone because it just isn't anatomically

01:37:12.520 actually doing anything.

01:37:14.620 Well, eventually after about a couple of years, it fell out of favor.

01:37:19.200 And now about 15 years later, there's a new group of doctors who are like, I've heard

01:37:23.420 of these barbed sutures that you can run under the surface of your skin and it lifts your

01:37:26.640 skin.

01:37:26.880 It's amazing.

01:37:27.560 This is a non-surgical facelift.

01:37:28.860 And they're advertising it for thousands of dollars.

01:37:32.320 And you know what?

01:37:32.840 They're not being honest in the fact that these only last six months and people pay thousands

01:37:37.600 and thousands of dollars for a six month result.

01:37:39.920 And it's just still not worth it.

01:37:42.300 That's extreme.

01:37:43.580 Okay.

01:37:43.800 What else?

01:37:45.420 There is another procedure that is about 40 years old that is being touted on social

01:37:50.640 media as this great new operation.

01:37:52.540 And it's called a upper lip lift.

01:37:54.860 And you may have seen this on social media, but where we, in size, we basically cut out

01:37:59.640 skin at the base of the nose to lift the upper lip to make the lip look fuller.

01:38:04.640 You know, we talked about how lip filler is so painful and it doesn't work for everybody.

01:38:08.700 This is an alternative option.

01:38:10.800 And doctors, you know, this is a procedure that was meant for that.

01:38:13.440 The way I described it, it's like that Aunt May in the old Spider-Man comic books where

01:38:17.040 she had this really long upper lip and then like no actual lip underneath it.

01:38:21.380 For somebody who's in their 70s or 80s, then this can really work well for them.

01:38:25.440 But people are doing this in people who are literally women who are in their 20s and 30s

01:38:31.380 to get this scar in the front of their lip.

01:38:33.220 And it just looks, just doesn't look right.

01:38:35.700 And these scars can get thick, they can get unsightly, but doctors just aren't being honest

01:38:40.420 and they're saying, oh, you know, I'm a great surgeon, so your scar is going to look fine.

01:38:43.960 Well, the fact is, is any surgeon, I've been doing this over 20 years, knows that you cannot

01:38:48.520 control how somebody scars, you know, that's up to their body.

01:38:51.640 And this is a scar that's right on the front of your face.

01:38:54.420 And especially if you're a beautiful 22-year-old woman, I mean, now you got that scar there,

01:38:59.140 you're going to have that the rest of your life.

01:39:01.400 Yeah.

01:39:01.520 Now people are looking at your lip, but for all the wrong reasons.

01:39:04.000 Um, I know there's a kind of lipo that you're, you're not a big fan of either.

01:39:08.580 What's that?

01:39:09.520 So there are procedures out there that are, we call them branded procedures where for

01:39:14.680 example, there's one right now called AirSculpt and they are branded as a less invasive option

01:39:20.640 for lipo.

01:39:21.640 Uh, and they've been other ones before they've been laser lipo and all these types of names

01:39:25.960 that people will put on these treatments and devices as a way to try to market them.

01:39:30.220 Well, in reality, it's just lipo, you know, you make an incision, you inject anesthetic

01:39:35.960 fluid and you take a big rod and you just suck that fat out.

01:39:39.440 It, you know, whether it's a small rod or a big rod, it's the same thing.

01:39:43.700 And so unfortunately there are patients who are being fooled into thinking that these types

01:39:48.220 of procedures are revolutionary.

01:39:50.220 Uh, and in reality, lipo is lipo.

01:39:53.080 Uh, and so just don't be fooled because a lot of them will charge you so much more and

01:39:57.480 make you think that you're getting something that's special.

01:39:59.460 And it really isn't.

01:40:00.480 It's just lipo.

01:40:01.220 This is a question I always wanted to ask somebody, you know, how Joan Rivers was always

01:40:04.200 going back into the hospital for lipo.

01:40:06.380 She was, she would talk about it openly.

01:40:08.440 So I always wondered with somebody like that, who's getting lipo all over their body, what

01:40:12.860 happens if they overeat then?

01:40:14.380 Because that fat's got to go somewhere.

01:40:16.860 It's not like they just stopped making fat.

01:40:19.200 So do you suddenly get like a really fat forearm if you've had lipo all over your body?

01:40:24.580 What happens?

01:40:25.780 So there are some people who believe that that's true, but in reality, you know, when

01:40:29.180 you lipo fat, you take those fat cells out, but they're always going to be some fat left

01:40:33.440 over.

01:40:33.980 There's always going to be fat cells there.

01:40:35.920 And so what I tell my patients, if we do lipo is let's try to make it as proportional

01:40:39.700 as possible.

01:40:40.860 You know, lipo is best for people who have kind of congenital genetic areas of fat deposition

01:40:45.940 that they just don't like, like the saddlebags or double chin.

01:40:48.780 And the idea is that we get somebody where they feel their body looks proportional.

01:40:52.420 And then if they gain weight, they kind of gain it more proportionally.

01:40:55.700 And so if Joan Rivers gained weight, you know, she still has fat on her body as lean as she

01:41:00.580 was.

01:41:00.920 There's still fat cells there.

01:41:02.560 Where will it go?

01:41:03.240 It's hard to say, but probably fairly proportional if that's kind of how her body is now.

01:41:08.340 Okay.

01:41:08.920 All right.

01:41:09.200 That, that makes sense.

01:41:10.260 Got it.

01:41:10.960 All right.

01:41:11.300 Now what, let's talk about what does work, what, you know, what gives you the most bang for

01:41:16.280 your buck out of these procedures?

01:41:17.700 Well, one thing that isn't a procedure, but I encourage people to try.

01:41:21.500 If you've got people who, let's say, are living in a rural area, they don't have access

01:41:26.420 to a med spa or a dermatologist or plastic surgeon, then red light therapy is a big favorite

01:41:31.380 amongst the holistic community.

01:41:33.180 Plastic surgeons don't really know much about it, but it definitely works.

01:41:36.060 And there are studies that show that red light therapy in as little as about two to

01:41:39.980 three months can improve the collagen and the elastin in your skin.

01:41:43.300 And so the idea behind red light therapy, you know, and they come in these masks, kind

01:41:47.060 of creepy looking masks where you get like tabletop devices, but the idea is that the

01:41:51.340 light from that red light will actually power the mitochondria in your cells to create more

01:41:56.080 energy or ATP.

01:41:58.020 So essentially it's kind of energizing your cells.

01:42:00.500 And once again, the studies, there aren't a lot of them yet, but there are a handful of

01:42:03.660 studies that do show it can definitely improve wrinkles and collagen and elastin the skin.

01:42:08.480 So when I'm talking to people-

01:42:09.880 That doesn't have skin cancer risks associated with it.

01:42:13.840 No, no, no, not at all.

01:42:15.840 And so, yeah, this is, no, this is anti-inflammatory.

01:42:19.340 There are full red light beds as well, but no, absolutely zero risk of cancer with these

01:42:23.720 very safe.

01:42:24.920 And if you're somebody who's on a very strict budget, then that's what I would start with.

01:42:29.920 When you're looking at treatments, let's say in the office, they're a good bang for your

01:42:34.300 buck.

01:42:34.860 Microneedling is really good.

01:42:36.200 I mentioned to you earlier about how these laser type treatments work by creating controlled

01:42:41.300 trauma to the skin and causing that collagen to tighten up.

01:42:45.080 And so microneedling does it by making tiny little pokes into the skin.

01:42:48.700 So you're damaging the collagen by these little needles.

01:42:51.540 The reason why it's a good bang for your buck is that, you know, for me, Megan, if I bought

01:42:55.380 a laser, it could cost me $150,000 to $200,000.

01:42:58.620 And the cost of that laser is going to be passed off onto the patient.

01:43:02.340 If I buy a microneedling pen, that may cost me maybe $5,000 to $7,000.

01:43:07.540 And so the overhead is going to be much less.

01:43:10.620 The savings of that treatment is going to be a lot cheaper, yet in some ways you can get

01:43:15.320 similar results depending on what you're looking at.

01:43:17.440 Okay.

01:43:19.120 Um, what else, what are we, what are we missing?

01:43:22.300 I mean, the obvious like breasts and nose, we know all that, but like in terms of facial

01:43:26.960 rejuvenation.

01:43:28.800 So one, another thing to definitely consider would be Morpheus eight Morpheus eight.

01:43:34.200 If you're looking at tightening of the skin that right now is the gold standard for tightening

01:43:38.460 is something that I do underneath my chin every four to six months.

01:43:41.820 I mean, I'm 51, you know, so we're similar age and I just don't want to develop the jowls

01:43:47.600 and stuff.

01:43:48.000 Eventually I will, but this is a great way to help prevent that.

01:43:50.880 And what Morpheus eight is, is microneedling where you're making the poke into the skin.

01:43:54.280 But in addition to that needle going in the skin and making the poke, it emits radiofrequency

01:43:58.540 energy from the end of that needle, creating heat too.

01:44:02.000 And so you're creating two types of damage to that collagen, and that's going to cause that

01:44:06.740 collagen to once again, tighten up a bit better.

01:44:08.540 Is that the same thing or similar to secret RF?

01:44:14.060 Very similar.

01:44:15.120 Yeah.

01:44:15.320 So there are different companies.

01:44:16.460 I have a friend who swears by that, but she said it hurts.

01:44:18.880 She said it hurts like a mofo.

01:44:21.000 It can.

01:44:21.460 Yeah.

01:44:21.620 So we numb the area up for a good 45 minutes.

01:44:24.240 Some people will do like nitrous where they, you know, laughing gas to help them.

01:44:28.080 I mean, I'm a dude and I do get it done on my neck and I just use numbing cream.

01:44:31.960 And in general, I tolerate it pretty well.

01:44:33.820 And I'm a dude.

01:44:34.920 So most people, as long as you use a numbing cream, it usually is enough.

01:44:38.800 That's what we find in the office, at least.

01:44:41.040 Good to know.

01:44:41.720 Because, you know, most of us don't want pain.

01:44:43.280 Like we'll take it if we have to, but if there's another way around it.

01:44:46.480 I hear you.

01:44:47.200 I hear you.

01:44:47.560 There's a lot of, you know, it's exciting because it's an exciting time for, to look and

01:44:51.860 feel younger.

01:44:52.780 I mean, now we even have devices that can help melt fat without surgery.

01:44:56.840 We have one called Sculpture.

01:44:58.180 You can melt up to four areas of fat, about 20% of thickness after one or two treatments.

01:45:02.360 And this is something we didn't have even 15 years ago.

01:45:05.480 Yeah.

01:45:05.660 You just like, you put it on your lower abs and after what, like eight treatments, it's

01:45:09.760 flat?

01:45:10.680 No, no.

01:45:11.180 So it's one treatment, one or two.

01:45:13.520 Basically what it does is it heats the fat to a certain temperature to cause some of those

01:45:18.500 fat cells to die.

01:45:19.960 And then your body then clears that fat out naturally.

01:45:23.480 Basically, you kind of poop it out.

01:45:24.700 Um, and so really what this does is because we know that the skin is more hardy than the

01:45:30.340 fat underneath it.

01:45:31.520 If you heat the temperature of the skin to the fat to a certain temperature and you cool

01:45:35.360 the skin, you can damage those fat cells and actually your body clears it.

01:45:39.100 And studies show you can lose upwards of 20% of the thickness of fat.

01:45:42.220 Now, the one that we use is called Sculpture.

01:45:44.560 It's, it uses a laser.

01:45:45.840 The more common one you may have heard of is called CoolSculpting.

01:45:49.340 CoolSculpting actually will freeze the fat.

01:45:51.460 Same idea, but instead of heating it, it freezes it.

01:45:54.540 But the only issue with CoolSculpting and why I don't necessarily recommend it for everybody

01:45:57.880 is you have about a 1% chance that that fat can get thicker instead of thinner.

01:46:03.100 That's what happened to Linda Evangelista.

01:46:05.740 Yes, exactly.

01:46:07.780 Now, I think with her, I question whether all of this is CoolSculpting's fault because if

01:46:13.480 you, you know, CoolSculpting, and I've had two patients that I've treated who've had

01:46:17.380 CoolSculpting related fat, um, it's called paradoxical adipose hyperplasia.

01:46:21.460 Which just means like an unusual outgrowth of fat.

01:46:24.640 But I had one that was in her double chin area where she had the double chin treated.

01:46:28.280 She had this huge double chin afterwards and she came to see me and I liposuctioned it.

01:46:32.220 And they had another patient in her abdomen where she had two kind of large fat pads of

01:46:37.100 her abdomen, one above and one below her belly button.

01:46:40.060 But with Linda, it's, I mean, I didn't see photos specifically, you know, of the area she

01:46:44.420 claimed to be treated.

01:46:45.280 But it's not going to say just make you gain weight, you know, and this is something where

01:46:50.400 in the area that was specifically treated, the fat can get thicker, but it's not like

01:46:54.620 your whole body gets bigger necessarily, unless she literally CoolSculpted her whole body.

01:46:58.840 She definitely had like bulges, weird bulges where there shouldn't be.

01:47:03.240 And I don't remember whether she gained weight overall, but that's scary.

01:47:05.920 I don't like, but you're saying it's very rare, but people do need, I mean, on all these

01:47:09.560 things, you got to check out the complications and the, you know, it's still surgery and even

01:47:14.120 the laser procedures, there can be complications.

01:47:16.160 Things can go wrong.

01:47:17.340 You can get burned.

01:47:18.840 And so it's really important right now.

01:47:20.240 Plastic surgery is the wild west of medicine.

01:47:22.680 And there are doctors who are performing these types of operations who are family doctors,

01:47:27.640 they're internists, they're emergency room doctors, they're GYNs, and they're doing it

01:47:31.420 to make extra money.

01:47:32.360 So you really want to be careful.

01:47:34.920 Oh, some of them are.

01:47:36.500 Don't, don't do it in a hotel room in Florida.

01:47:38.460 That's for sure.

01:47:39.560 Um, and so, yeah, but like, there's all these facial clinics now where they'll have some

01:47:43.440 technician who's going to do this stuff to you.

01:47:45.340 And while I'm sure many of them do a good job and have been trained by somebody who is

01:47:50.240 a doctor, things can go wrong.

01:47:52.660 And if they go wrong, you want a doctor there.

01:47:55.520 Well, and the fact is that there are med spas and clinics like you're talking about where

01:47:59.680 they will be staffed by people who are not physicians, but they have a medical director,

01:48:04.860 but that medical director may know absolutely nothing about these treatments.

01:48:08.820 You know, they may be a family doctor who's moonlighting.

01:48:11.460 Uh, and so you just have to be careful.

01:48:13.240 I've had people who've been botched with filler and they've come to see me for an opinion.

01:48:17.220 And I said, well, why don't you go back to the medical director of the spa you had this

01:48:20.420 done at?

01:48:20.800 And they go, oh yeah, I did.

01:48:21.660 And they said that it's a family doctor and he doesn't know what to do with this.

01:48:23.980 Uh, and so it's legal, unfortunately for any type of doctor to be a medical director of

01:48:30.060 whatever cosmetic center and to oversee these treatments.

01:48:32.920 But technically all they're doing is signing charts and making money.

01:48:35.700 And if something bad happens, they try to tell them, go somewhere else.

01:48:38.640 And who knows how to actually take care of it.

01:48:40.880 And now you're alone.

01:48:42.660 In this field, you get what you pay for.

01:48:45.300 You get what you pay for.

01:48:46.520 Like, be careful, make sure.

01:48:47.960 Don't bargain shop for plastic surgery and sushi.

01:48:50.540 Those are the two things you don't bargain shop for, Megan.

01:48:53.780 Makes perfect sense to me.

01:48:54.920 All right.

01:48:55.440 Last, last field I want to ask you about.

01:48:57.540 Yeah.

01:48:58.220 Why are there so many plastic surgeons who are making their patients into like freaks?

01:49:04.320 You know, we, we start, we bumped in with that clip of you looking at some of the extreme

01:49:09.120 procedures that have obviously been done by doctors on patients where, you know, there's

01:49:14.000 the cat woman, they make them look not, no longer human.

01:49:19.440 And I, I just don't understand how there's not a standard within the plastic surgery field

01:49:24.560 of like, we don't do that.

01:49:26.000 We, that makes us all look bad.

01:49:28.260 I don't know.

01:49:28.660 What do you make of it?

01:49:30.000 So two things.

01:49:30.900 The first thing is you have to separate out body modification from plastic surgery.

01:49:34.940 So there are body modification experts.

01:49:37.540 And these are people who are more like in the kind of tattoo type of a realm where not

01:49:42.040 physicians are not nurses.

01:49:43.200 They don't have medical training, but they do things like split tongues, like put in permanent

01:49:47.800 implants, um, like subcutaneous implants underneath the skin.

01:49:51.480 They give people horns, um, you know, stuff like that.

01:49:54.880 That's a whole other group.

01:49:56.100 And the interesting thing, it's kind of crazy.

01:49:57.940 Uh, when you think about it is a lot of these people are getting these treatments done, like

01:50:01.100 splitting their tongue with no like medical anesthesia or anything.

01:50:05.340 I don't know how they do it, but this is being done all across the country.

01:50:09.960 So that's one group that's body modification.

01:50:12.340 Like when somebody tries to transform their face into a lizard, you know, these are not

01:50:16.220 plastic surgeons doing these procedures.

01:50:17.780 These are lay people who are body modification experts.

01:50:21.900 Um, but yeah, I think with classic surgery there, it is a situation where people are going

01:50:26.500 out of control because honestly of the money, you know, there are people where their practice

01:50:31.380 is mainly, you tell me what you want and I'll do it.

01:50:33.840 If you pay me, uh, and then there's the idea of clout, their plastic surgeons will do this

01:50:37.600 because they want, you know, like on, let's say a celebrity, because they're enamored by

01:50:41.460 this celebrity and they hope that this celebrity may, uh, you know, say something about them

01:50:44.860 on social media so that they can get business out of it.

01:50:47.540 Um, so there are all these ulterior motives, uh, that are, uh, that these doctors will have

01:50:53.080 for both money as well as fame, uh, that will push them to maybe do things that, that a good

01:50:58.500 plastic surgeon would say no to.

01:51:00.200 How do you figure out if somebody's got an addiction?

01:51:03.060 You know, we've talked about people, the young actresses on this show who looked perfectly

01:51:06.940 beautiful before by any reasonable standard.

01:51:10.160 And then they just decide to have 17 procedures.

01:51:13.460 They wind up looking like a totally different person.

01:51:16.180 You know, they don't look bad necessarily though.

01:51:19.040 They look very plastic and fake.

01:51:21.500 Like, how do you, as the guy sitting on the other side of that desk say to a patient, you

01:51:25.940 know what?

01:51:27.260 I think you're good.

01:51:28.560 Like, do you ever say that?

01:51:29.820 You know, like you don't, I say that all the time.

01:51:32.140 Yeah.

01:51:32.500 All the time, Megan.

01:51:33.420 I think the issue that you're dealing with is, uh, that you're describing as body dysmorphia

01:51:37.100 and about 1% of population have body dysmorphia where when, when they see in the mirror

01:51:42.020 is different than reality, you know, so reality maybe is that somebody has a little bump

01:51:46.120 on their nose.

01:51:47.260 A body dysmorphia patient thinks that that bump is so huge.

01:51:51.060 That person cannot understand why everybody doesn't think that, that they look hideous

01:51:55.060 from it.

01:51:55.880 So what do they do?

01:51:57.720 They go see plastic surgeon after plastic surgeon to have treatments done to correct

01:52:02.160 a perceived deformity that was never even there in the first place.

01:52:05.920 You know, it's a whole idea of like Michael Jackson and his nose.

01:52:08.260 Um, you know, and then at some point in time, like, like, let's say just with the nose, you

01:52:12.780 know, you can do, if you do the nose once and you're not happy with it, and then they

01:52:16.340 revise it.

01:52:17.200 Uh, so you have two nose job surgeries.

01:52:19.360 It can still look pretty good.

01:52:20.940 But once you hit the third or God forbid the fourth, now you're depositing scar tissue every

01:52:26.420 single time you operate and you start getting into a situation where you're in a slippery

01:52:30.420 slope where it's only going to look worse after every operation.

01:52:34.000 And unfortunately there are some patients and their doctors who think, oh, one more

01:52:37.200 operation, you know, we'll do it.

01:52:38.280 It'll, it'll look better, but it just keeps looking worse.

01:52:40.720 And so that's the number one thing is just not to have so many operations done.

01:52:45.140 You know, I think that you could safely have up to three facelifts, maybe in a lifetime

01:52:49.360 before skin starts not looking right.

01:52:51.700 Same with the nose job.

01:52:52.740 Like I said, two, you get to three and things start not looking good because it's scar tissue.

01:52:57.920 That reminds me on the subject of the facelift.

01:53:01.160 What's an age where women need to start thinking about that?

01:53:03.840 I think about it all the time.

01:53:04.580 Cause I'm like, at some point I'm going to, everything's going to sag and I'm not going to

01:53:08.500 like the way I look.

01:53:09.220 And then I'm going to have to tell my viewers that like, I don't know, I I'm going to live

01:53:12.960 in Australia for six months to have a facelift and recover, or maybe we'll just do it together

01:53:16.520 and then we'll tell everybody about it.

01:53:18.060 But when, when does, when do people have facelifts?

01:53:21.520 So this is what I tell my patients.

01:53:23.120 So the age could be anywhere from the late forties that they have a lot of really premature

01:53:27.620 aging to really, I stop about in the mid seventies, but in general, if you don't look at

01:53:33.020 the actual specific age, this is when, you know, you're ready for a facelift.

01:53:35.940 When you hate, hate the appearance of your lower face and the neck, the jowls and the

01:53:42.340 loose neck so much that the thought of undergoing a three and a half to four hour operation, getting

01:53:47.940 permanent scars, both in front of and behind your ears, paying $20,000 plus, uh, having

01:53:54.440 a two week recovery time with the risk of complications.

01:53:57.540 But man, you hate this so much that thank God you've got the option to do that.

01:54:02.200 And you don't care about these other negatives of it.

01:54:04.500 That's when, you know, it's the right time.

01:54:06.340 Now, if you hate it so much, that's when you know that it's the right time.

01:54:11.620 If you're at all like, I don't know, maybe I should, maybe I shouldn't then hold off.

01:54:15.520 It's probably too early.

01:54:16.500 It's a big operation.

01:54:17.700 It's permanent scars.

01:54:19.120 Those scars can get thick.

01:54:20.780 They can become keloids.

01:54:21.980 You just never know, even if you have the best surgeon.

01:54:24.160 So it's weighing the risks and benefits and making sure those benefits really fully outweigh

01:54:30.080 those risks.

01:54:31.340 That's really what it comes down to.

01:54:33.440 In the meantime, we have nutrition and we have skincare and we have lasers and much less

01:54:40.440 red light, much less invasive things that we can all do to help ourselves look great or

01:54:45.920 do what my mom does, which is not a thing.

01:54:48.860 Her philosophy is these lines, I earned every one of them.

01:54:53.080 And she loves her aging naturally.

01:54:55.640 I always say auto-juvenate before you operate.

01:54:59.260 So all those things you just said, it's all auto-juvenation.

01:55:01.900 It's using your body's own regenerative abilities to turn back the clock naturally.

01:55:06.540 You just have to give it the right tools and the right environment for it to do so.

01:55:10.860 Thank you so much for being in the business of making us look better and feel better and

01:55:15.240 for being so reasonable about your approach to this.

01:55:18.440 Dr. Yun, we really appreciate it.

01:55:19.880 All the best to you.

01:55:21.200 Well, thank you so much, Megan.

01:55:22.160 I appreciate you.

01:55:23.540 Yeah.

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01:55:27.400 And check out the Younger for Life book.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - April 09, 2024

How Corporate Media Protects Biden, and Secrets to Younger Skin, with Sage Steele and Dr. Anthony Youn ｜ Ep. 761

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