The Megyn Kelly Show - How Media Sparked Pelosi Conspiracy Theories, and Tom Brady Retires, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson

00:00:00.460 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:11.560 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. We begin today with

00:00:15.660 the following question. How did the Paul Pelosi story spark so many conspiracy theories? Was

00:00:21.660 it in fact the evil right-wing spinning lies out of whole cloth as the left now claims?

00:00:26.880 Actually, the police tapes and a review of the record make perfectly clear what happened here.

00:00:33.580 The mainstream media misled us time and time again, and so did the police. The attack occurred

00:00:40.300 in the wee hours of Friday morning, October 28th, just days before the midterm elections.

00:00:45.340 Later that night, the San Francisco police chief spoke out.

00:00:49.240 When the officers arrived and knocked on the front door of the residence this morning,

00:00:54.100 the door was opened by someone inside, and the officers observed through the open door,

00:01:00.540 Mr. Pelosi and the suspect, Mr. DePappi, inside the entryway of the home.

00:01:06.620 Politico later reported the officers were, quote, led inside by an unknown person. An unknown person?

00:01:13.620 What does that mean? Was someone else there? I thought this was an attack. Sounds more like a

00:01:18.120 party. Politico would later revise its report to say someone opened the door, not necessarily

00:01:24.120 an unknown person. There's a difference. The new someone was a better choice of words. Unknown

00:01:30.120 person suggests a third person not known to police. Good correction, Politico. Except days later,

00:01:37.580 Politico blasted, quote, prominent conservatives for sharing disinformation about the attack,

00:01:42.940 including political lamented that a third person opened the door. Hello, Politico. You helped start

00:01:49.540 that theory. Bad Politico. Two days later, NBC took it a step further. There seems to be a hint that

00:01:57.960 there was a third person in the house. Well, that's correct, Chuck. So the police chief came out and did

00:02:03.460 a press conference later on Friday when when most people had already started to go to bed on the East

00:02:08.720 Coast. And in that press conference, he stated that there was a third person inside the house

00:02:14.000 that opened the door for police when they were called to that house. Except the police chief never

00:02:20.680 did say that. He said the door was opened by someone inside. Someone is not the same as a third person.

00:02:29.680 See how we've already taken some liberties in our reporting. So who was in the Pelosi home? Paul Pelosi,

00:02:35.900 the attacker and possibly a third person, according to our trustworthy media that's today so angry about

00:02:41.320 misinformation. Meantime, TMZ got its hands on the dispatch audio, sending police to the Pelosi home

00:02:48.040 for a priority wellness check. Not an emergency, mind you. Isn't that weird? So we got to hear the

00:02:54.700 message to the cops sending them to this home. We did not get to hear the 911 call that Paul Pelosi

00:03:01.600 made. We would have to wait three months and file lawsuits to get that. And now we know why it made

00:03:07.320 the dispatcher look absolutely ridiculous. But we heard the dispatch order getting the cops over

00:03:13.400 there. TMZ got its hands on that and things got even weirder. Now, keep in mind, as you listen to

00:03:18.200 this, RV appears to refer to Paul Pelosi. We are assuming RV stands for resident victim.

00:03:25.300 RV stated that there's a male in the home and that he's going to wait for his wife.

00:03:28.680 RV stated that he doesn't know who the male is, but he advised that his name is David

00:03:31.940 and that he is a friend. RV sounded somewhat confused.

00:03:36.900 So for those keeping score at home, the public has now been told erroneously that a third person

00:03:41.880 was in the house and that they opened the door for police. They've also heard on the dispatch call

00:03:46.140 that Paul Pelosi was claiming he didn't know the male, but that Paul Pelosi, according to that tape,

00:03:52.080 advised that his name is David and that he is a friend. We would later learn it was David who

00:03:56.500 claimed that. But that's what we heard in that call that Pelosi was advising he is a friend.

00:04:01.040 The alleged intruder is a friend. But Paul Paul Pelosi is saying he doesn't actually know him.

00:04:07.040 Pelosi sounded confused. So are we all by this point? What? What's happening inside that house?

00:04:12.500 Please, for the love of God, San Francisco police, just release the 911 call and the body cam video

00:04:17.160 so we can better understand because you've managed to really confuse us. And that would probably

00:04:21.420 clear this all up. Your humble correspondent made that plea more than once. Nope. Denied.

00:04:27.680 By this point, the D.A.'s criminal complaint was out, alleging that the intruder broke in through a

00:04:32.780 back lower level door and that they, quote, recovered zip ties along with a backpack containing tape,

00:04:38.820 rope, hammer and gloves. Officials also made public the defendant's name, David DePap.

00:04:44.500 Internet sleuths immediately began digging into DePap's background. He was, as it turned out,

00:04:49.600 a well-known nudist in San Francisco. Oh, great. A nudist friend with zip ties in Paul Pelosi's

00:04:57.220 bedroom. OK, as if on cue, we get the spectacularly wrong reporting from a local Fox affiliate that DePap

00:05:05.740 was found in Pelosi's home wearing his underwear, that DePap was in his underwear, later retracted,

00:05:13.080 but the damage had already been done. Epic fail, Fox. So here's where we are now in the story.

00:05:20.200 Three people inside. The alleged intruder is a nudist in his underwear with zip ties in the

00:05:25.760 bedroom with Paul Pelosi, who says he doesn't know him, but also describes him as a friend.

00:05:30.480 Look, I never spread the theory about Pelosi and DePap being alleged gay lovers or having some sort of

00:05:36.200 relationship like Elon Musk did, who later apologized. But you can see quite clearly how that speculation

00:05:41.960 started. This is where yours truly weighed in on this case, saying something seemed off that the

00:05:48.240 police at a minimum arrived without, in my view, the appropriate sense of urgency.

00:05:54.960 Wait a minute. What you open the door and you've gotten a distress call and the two men are holding

00:06:01.700 the hammer and one of them is married to the speaker of the house and you just stand there, say,

00:06:05.840 what's up, everything good. And then you let this other guy swing a hammer and 82 year old to the

00:06:12.660 point where he falls on the ground now and requires emergency surgery. Something's wrong.

00:06:18.160 For this, the New York Times would label me a Republican wrong who fed a misinformation loop.

00:06:26.200 What misinformation did I deliver? Did you hear any misinformation or even information delivered

00:06:32.900 in that soundbite? I was asking questions. They explained my sin was, quote, I raised doubts that

00:06:39.980 all facts were disclosed. I raised doubts that all facts were disclosed. I kid you not. Hello,

00:06:45.920 New York Times. That's called reporting. That's what we call reporting. You ask questions,

00:06:51.400 try to get real facts when they aren't being released to you. But no questions were to be asked in the Paul

00:06:56.580 Pelosi case because, well, because the media liked this story just as they were telling it.

00:07:02.800 A perfectly lucid man. He called himself Jesus for a year, but OK, inspired by right wingers.

00:07:10.000 He did cite QAnon in recent writings just after posting his BLM flag outside his house,

00:07:15.760 attacked the husband of the House Speaker days before the midterms. Take the L, Republicans.

00:07:19.940 Take the L. Fast forward now to November 4th and we get this NBC News report from Miguel Almaguerre on

00:07:27.920 the Today Show. After a knock and announce, the front door was opened by Mr. Pelosi. The 82-year-old

00:07:35.200 did not immediately declare an emergency or try to leave his home, but instead began walking several

00:07:41.820 feet back into the foyer toward the assailant and away from police. Why Pelosi didn't try to flee

00:07:48.720 or tell responding officers he was in distress is unclear. So NBC News is now telling us Pelosi

00:07:58.880 opened the door, not a third person, as NBC's own Meet the Press had earlier reported. All of this

00:08:05.820 made it look more like Pelosi may have known his attacker and may not have actually been in distress.

00:08:12.840 The nudist attacker with zip ties in the bedroom who claimed to not know Pelosi claimed to not know

00:08:19.740 him, but who was allegedly his friend. OK, the Internet already on fire with theories about why

00:08:25.680 this case seems so bizarre ran wild with speculation that these two men had a relationship that no one

00:08:31.740 disputed that Paul Pelosi got attacked. The question was, what was the nature of the relationship prior

00:08:35.740 to that moment? The leftist media expressed zero interest in the strange and often conflicting

00:08:41.720 details of these reports, deeming any curiosity vile and inappropriate. As if on cue later that same

00:08:48.900 day, NBC quietly deleted the Miguel Amager report from its website with a cryptic note that it, quote,

00:08:57.600 did not meet NBC News reporting standards. What? What does that mean? How? How exactly did it fall

00:09:04.700 short? What exactly was wrong with it? Was it all wrong? Was it partly wrong? That was a joke of a

00:09:10.400 retraction. That's not how retractions are done. And it only added to the public's suspicion.

00:09:16.220 No further explanation was provided until unnamed people at NBC spoke with Paul Farhi of The Washington

00:09:24.620 Post on November 5th. Easy to put stock into the musings of unknown people, right? They're going to set

00:09:31.120 the record straight. What was incorrect? Unnamed people said Amager was incorrect that Pelosi gave

00:09:38.900 police no indication he was in danger when he answered the door. In fact, they said San Francisco

00:09:43.600 police have said Pelosi was struggling with the intruder when they first saw him. Fact check on

00:09:49.500 unnamed people. No, Pelosi was not struggling with the intruder when they first saw him. The tapes make

00:09:55.420 that clear. Miguel Amager was right on that point. Pelosi did not indicate his distress at the time

00:10:01.640 he answered the door. How else was the NBC News report allegedly wrong? Well, people at the network

00:10:08.820 told Farhi that they doubted the report that Pelosi walked several feet back toward his assailant and away

00:10:15.600 from police. Fact check on unnamed people. I will give you this one. This, as it turns out,

00:10:22.260 was not good reporting and NBC News was right to withdraw it. While Pelosi is seen on cam stumbling

00:10:28.060 a bit moments before the attack, Almaguer's description was off. Watch.

00:10:35.160 Hi, guys. How you doing? How are you? What's going on, man? Everything's good.

00:10:41.900 Hi. Drop the hammer. Um, no. Hey. Hey, hey, hey, hey. What is going on right now? I'm not getting

00:10:47.760 an answer. Oh, shit. Four days later, the feds filed the criminal indictment. Here they have their

00:10:55.980 own answer to who opened the door, writing, quote, the two officers opened the door. What? What? So

00:11:03.640 it's not an unknown person, as Politico once reported. It's not a third person, as Meet the

00:11:09.080 Press reported. And it's not Paul Pelosi, as NBC's Today Show later reported. Everyone clear?

00:11:14.900 Got it. Not for nothing, but NBC local reported that a source who viewed the video told them

00:11:20.460 it was Paul Pelosi who opened the door and that he did it with his left hand,

00:11:23.760 something the local prosecutors had alleged as well. The local prosecutors say it was Paul Pelosi.

00:11:28.640 But in this filing, the feds disagree, say it was the two officers. But we should all totally

00:11:32.620 understand this easily. Got it. No clarifications needed. Conspiracy mongers. There's nothing to see

00:11:38.000 here. Move on. Last Friday, authorities finally, under court order, released the 911 call and the

00:11:46.900 body cam video of the attack. How illuminating about the brutal attack and on my question of why the

00:11:54.300 responding cops showed up in time to stop this attack but seemed oddly cavalier and failed to stop

00:12:03.040 it. The 911 operator did not seem to get it. Oh, well, there's a gentleman here just waiting for

00:12:11.940 my wife to come back. Okay. Do you need police fire or medical for anything? I don't think so. I don't

00:12:33.040 think so, please. I've got a problem, but he thinks it was. He's good. Okay. Call us back if you

00:12:39.620 change your mind. No, no, no. This gentleman just came out of the house. Do you know who the person is?

00:12:47.020 No, I don't know who he is. What is your name? My name is Paul Pelosi.

00:12:51.820 Friday. Anyway, this gentleman says that he thinks that he's telling me to put the phone down.

00:13:03.040 What's that? My name is David. The name is David.

00:13:07.360 Okay. And who is David? I don't know. What's that? I'm a friend of theirs.

00:13:12.960 Yeah, I, I, um, he says he's a friend, but as I said, I've never. But you don't know who he is?

00:13:19.840 No, no, ma'am. He must be able to get that off the phone.

00:13:24.160 Zero, two, twenty, six, and zero, eight. Thank you. Okay. Bye.

00:13:31.040 That is why the cops had no urgency. That 911 operator conveyed none to them. By the way,

00:13:38.500 listen to the police chief. Before we got to hear that 911 call that they were trying to hide from us

00:13:44.900 on this dispatcher's heroic sixth sense. Dispatchers have to report what's being told to

00:13:52.500 them. They learn how to read between the lines, but she knew something more was going on just in

00:13:56.880 her heart and her intuition that cause for a higher priority than this type of call normally

00:14:02.600 receives. When you're in this business long enough, you kind of get a sense for things and

00:14:08.140 her intuition was on point. Oh my God. Yes. She was a regular Columbo with her powers of

00:14:14.420 discernment. What a joke. I'm sorry, but what a joke. I appreciate what the cops do to protect us,

00:14:20.620 but this woman was not playing coy. She almost hung up on Paul Pelosi repeatedly. She clearly had no clue

00:14:27.300 who Nancy Pelosi was, that she was dealing with an attempted attack on the house speaker's spouse,

00:14:32.460 or that this man was in serious danger. All of which was easily discernible from that call.

00:14:39.480 Yes, she made it a priority wellness call, but there was no emergency there. And the cops who were

00:14:45.020 sent to that house had no sense of urgency or emergency. And it showed. Now that we've seen and

00:14:51.360 heard the tapes, the takeaway from the mainstream media is that the right wing conspiracy machine is

00:14:56.680 out of control. No reflection at all on how conspiracies took hold, the misreporting by

00:15:03.260 corporate media, the conflicting reports from local officials and the feds, or the utter lack

00:15:08.940 of curiosity among reporters who get paid to ask questions. Those who continue to spout nonsense

00:15:14.940 about this being some kind of lover's tryst, just stop, just stop it, move on. Poor Paul Pelosi.

00:15:21.200 But those in the media whose bad reporting lit the match that helped fuel those dumpster fire takes

00:15:28.720 do better. And now the EJs are back. Emily Jashinski is culture editor at the Federalist and host of

00:15:36.760 the Federalist Radio Hour. And Eliana Johnson is editor in chief of the Washington Free Beacon and co-host

00:15:43.100 of the podcast Ink Stained Wretches. All right, EJs. So you were there with me the time I discussed this.

00:15:50.720 That got me labeled a misinformation artist by the New York Times because I demanded more

00:15:55.660 information. That was my sin. But it's not about me. It's really about the holier than thou left

00:16:01.280 wing right now going after all the people who, yes, did actually get into the conspiracy theory

00:16:06.460 stuff, you know, gay lovers and all that without any reflection on the egregious problems in the

00:16:13.160 reporting and the journalistic approach to this case really from the get go. And I'll include the

00:16:19.240 police disinformation in that as well. Who wants to take it?

00:16:23.000 That was an incredible walk through the changes in the story, which I haven't seen anybody really

00:16:28.300 do a thorough retrospective yet on how things changed as they changed and who was involved

00:16:32.900 in those changes, who was involved in reporting that had to be retracted, who was involved in

00:16:36.760 reporting that we can now because we have the video, we have the dispatch say, who on earth was

00:16:41.920 your source? Who was feeding you this information? That's one of the really big questions I have

00:16:46.440 actually after listening to that, Megan, because people who say they've seen the video, people who

00:16:51.160 say they've heard the audio, they're completely misrepresenting it. And journalists seem to have

00:16:55.560 taken it hook, line and sinker and run with it. So rather than criticizing you for asking questions,

00:17:01.920 they should be criticizing themselves for for not asking questions, because though the answer appears

00:17:07.120 to not be anything close to what the conspiracy theorists were coming up with, it's a damning indictment

00:17:12.000 on the San Francisco Police Department. And that's a serious story that everyone was glossing over

00:17:16.700 while they were so busy, just freaking out and being hysterical about the conspiratorial right wing

00:17:22.840 nut jobs. That's exactly right. And if you listen to that dispatch call, Eliana, you know, the one

00:17:28.260 where they're sending the cops to the house, you can hear that the 911 operator did not adequately

00:17:33.740 communicate to these cops, the sense of emergency there. Yeah, he said, again, they say it was RV,

00:17:39.540 Paul Pelosi. They're using RV as Paul Pelosi. He said it was his friend. So he didn't. Paul Pelosi

00:17:45.720 did not say that. The intruder said that Paul Pelosi said, I don't know him. And so from the

00:17:51.160 beginning, the police are, you know, misunderstanding the story, letting out drips and drabs, refusing to

00:17:56.760 just release the 911 call so we can hear them ourselves. And the media can't they can't get they

00:18:02.340 don't know their ass from their elbow in reporting on the story. Now they want to dismiss it all as all

00:18:06.260 these were trivial mistakes they made. No, if there was a third person in the house, it completely

00:18:11.720 changes the nature of this alleged attack. People start to think, as I said in my memo,

00:18:17.360 is this a party? Was this some sort of like a fun thing in the middle of the night between a group of

00:18:21.700 people? Or was this a one on one attack? There are a couple angles to this. The first angle is that if

00:18:30.780 we had had the footage and the calls from the get go, there would have been no theorizing as to

00:18:37.160 what happened. The second is that this is still a strange incident. Paul Pelosi really handled it

00:18:45.160 with aplomb. It was petrifying. And the police handled it terribly. Listening to that 911 call,

00:18:52.420 I'm sitting here thinking, I hope I never have to call 911 and rely on these people to help me because

00:18:58.920 that incompetence was chilling to listen to. And, you know, Megan, we have another police

00:19:05.400 incompetence and misconduct case happening in the country. And the media scrutiny and treatment of

00:19:11.220 that is completely different from the curiosity, interest and scrutiny of the police conduct or

00:19:19.260 misconduct as the case may be in this case. The nerve of that police chief to come out and praise

00:19:25.700 her sixth sense. She had no freaking clue what was going on in that call. Paul Pelosi had hit her

00:19:32.760 over the head with a two by four for her to finally get the fact that he was in distress.

00:19:36.440 She clearly had no idea that she was dealing with the speaker of the house. I bet you dollar to

00:19:40.360 donors. This woman did not know that Nancy Pelosi is the house speaker. You could tell there was no

00:19:44.780 like the speaker of the house. He tried to tip her off with Capitol police. She still didn't get it.

00:19:49.560 No, you called San Francisco. Hello. He knows that you dumbass.

00:19:52.780 And she was not saying, I know, I know. And she was not saying, listen, sir, I am picking up what

00:19:58.100 you're putting down. I will have people there as soon as possible. Her response was not indicative

00:20:02.880 that she understood the sense of urgency here. And by the way, I still don't understand why he

00:20:07.500 didn't run out of that door and into the arms of the cops. Like there are still aspects of this

00:20:11.820 that strike me as strange and you don't understand. But then again, none of us know the way that we

00:20:16.280 would react, you know, when petrified and in terror. So like I don't the the media rush to

00:20:24.080 their narrative of the right spreading disinformation. It is like their their binky and their safety

00:20:30.060 blanket like that is where they feel safe and comfortable. And it's lazy and pathetic. It is.

00:20:37.060 It is pathetic. So here's here's where they're going, Emily, like the outrage on the left that,

00:20:44.260 you know, these crazy conspiracy theories got started again. I mean, I laid it out. You can

00:20:48.700 see exactly how it started. Had the cops just released that 911 call and that body cam video

00:20:53.160 earlier, which they do in many criminal cases. Why are we looking at the body cam videos in the

00:20:59.960 Tyree Nichols case? Because they released it to us. They didn't want it out. And now we know why they

00:21:05.260 didn't want it out. That police chief was embarrassed. He knew he knew that 911 call would not reflect well

00:21:11.100 on that dispatcher and actually made him look like a liar, too, because he went out there and touted

00:21:14.980 her quick instincts. So now there it's all about the Republicans and how evil they are and how they'll

00:21:21.060 spin anything to make themselves look good. I give you, as an example, Joy Behar on The View yesterday.

00:21:28.580 What are the Democrats supposed to do? Because there is no bottom to this Republican Party.

00:21:33.160 The hole is not deep enough for them to go into to be disgraceful. But the Democrats have to take

00:21:40.700 the high road because there are people like us and people in our audience who need a place to go.

00:21:48.740 People like us. Yes. But that is kind of perfect because she's just being completely transparent

00:21:54.420 about the fact that she's looking down on people who disagree with her, not just on the political

00:22:00.180 level, but as human beings. So there are people like us. But one of the I think the saddest things

00:22:05.640 is that conspiracy theories, this case study proves it perfectly, flourish and blossom in the absence

00:22:11.780 of good reporting and in the absence of government transparency, like in the case of taking so long

00:22:17.440 to release the information that we knew the police department had all of this time. That's how you get

00:22:22.260 conspiracy theories. And for the media to make its primary narrative in this case, not the secondary

00:22:27.180 narrative. The primary narrative is about debunking right wing conspiracy theories. I think Eliana made

00:22:33.440 such an interesting comparison with the Tyree Nichols case. It shows that the media isn't completely

00:22:38.500 partisan in its biases. It's just whatever is convenient for them at any given moment. You know, if this is

00:22:44.860 convenient for them, if it's convenient for them to attack the police, they'll attack the police. If it's

00:22:49.000 convenient for them to protect the police and attack conservatives, that's what they'll do because

00:22:53.160 it's just like they're fish swimming in a school and just going towards the shiny objects instead

00:22:57.920 of doing their damn jobs and chasing the truth rather than a narrative. Why don't they ask more

00:23:04.380 questions? The reason in this case was, as I stated, I believe they liked the existing narrative. They did

00:23:10.920 not care to understand it any better. They had the facts they liked. The guy had QAnon postings on his

00:23:18.160 most recent website. And forget the BLM stuff, the LGBTQ stuff, the nudist stuff, the San Francisco

00:23:24.460 stuff. Forget all that. He was a QAnon-er. He was a Trumpster. That's what they want us to believe.

00:23:28.780 And he was out to commit political violence against the House Speaker and or her husband.

00:23:33.300 That last piece of it was true. I mean, he was there to commit violence against the Pelosi's

00:23:37.260 and he was very angry with Nancy Pelosi. So that piece is true. But to blame it on the Republicans

00:23:43.420 was their main goal because we're about to have a midterm election. At that point, the Democrats

00:23:47.780 still thought that it was going to be a bloodbath and they wanted anything to switch the narrative

00:23:51.620 to change their fortunes. Eliana, that's why they were so incurious.

00:23:56.780 I agree. And I do think that the media tends to take whatever sets of set of facts and jam it into

00:24:03.740 a preexisting narrative. In this case, it was the set of facts in the Pelosi case, which were

00:24:09.080 complicated and confusing, jammed into a right wing disinformation conspiracy theory narrative,

00:24:15.660 which is a favored mainstream media narrative. And you can see it happening in the Tyree Nichols

00:24:21.120 case, which I know we're going to get to, which is, you know, police violence. And we have a white

00:24:27.040 supremacy problem in the police department. Even when the officers officers in the case are black,

00:24:31.920 the facts are jammed into the easy and favored and pre-written narrative. There's a real failure

00:24:41.740 to grapple with, like, complexity. And I think, you know, we see that time and again. And the other

00:24:49.140 thing that I don't think we see from the mainstream media is that, you know, for people like us,

00:24:54.180 there's a natural distrust to them because they have been wrong. And they seem not to understand why

00:25:00.160 there's like a natural skepticism of the storylines that come from New York Times, the Washington Post

00:25:05.960 political. They have what they have told us has been incorrect. And there's been no reckoning with

00:25:12.240 the failures and the mistakes and no accountability. And yet there's there's they're appalled and look

00:25:21.000 down on and sneer at us for questioning the narratives that come from them.

00:25:26.320 And it's going to keep happening. I'll give you this this little ditty from

00:25:30.380 Alyssa Farah, who, as far as I can tell, has accomplished. Let me check my notes. Nothing

00:25:36.540 on the view yesterday, lumping from the sound of it. Me in with Elon Musk. Listen.

00:25:46.120 The people who spread these conspiracy theories, whether it's Elon Musk,

00:25:49.600 Megyn Kelly and others, they should be ashamed of themselves.

00:25:51.620 OK, I am not ashamed of myself, miss. I've never accomplished anything in my life,

00:25:57.720 though my father appears to have been somebody. I am actually really proud of the fact that I

00:26:02.060 actually ask questions and seek out facts. You should try it at ABC. You from your little third

00:26:07.140 base spot on the view of failing show that does that deals every day in disinformation should take

00:26:12.440 a seat when it comes to advising actual journalists as to how to report the news. As far as I can tell,

00:26:17.940 she's never accomplished anything and she doesn't know how to do it. If she does, there's no evidence

00:26:21.880 of it on that daily show from her or her colleagues. But this is how this is why shit like

00:26:27.280 this is actually pernicious, right? Is it like the New York Times that this show try to shame

00:26:33.380 reporters who actually did ask questions out of doing so? How how do you think we got those tapes?

00:26:39.260 How do you think we ultimately got them? News organizations filed lawsuits demanding that

00:26:43.840 they be released. The New York Times that shamed me for asking for more information joined in the

00:26:51.120 case, but won't retract its smear of me, right? This is how they try to shame you out of staying

00:26:58.460 on these paths of inquiry. And it's not about me. I don't really give a shit what the view says about

00:27:03.380 me or the New York Times either. What I care about is the lesson that they're trying to teach anyone

00:27:09.000 who actually does want to question narratives. Well, and I think that gets really dangerous

00:27:14.160 when you consider the reason they're trying to shut other people down and discredit them and

00:27:19.340 silence them, intimidate them into silence. Really? Nobody wants to be called a conspiracy theorist.

00:27:23.220 Nobody wants to be called a bigot. Nobody wants to be called crazy. So the cost benefit analysis on the

00:27:27.840 part of speaking out and questioning them becomes really a serious calculus for people who have

00:27:32.960 questions. And then they're the ones who end up getting the information and they're the ones that end up

00:27:37.320 gatekeeping the information. So when corporate media, when these major media outlets are the ones

00:27:42.640 who get the information and can gatekeep it, that's what's really terrifying. It's amazing,

00:27:47.980 actually, that we have a media ecosystem. It's one of the few bright spots over the last decade

00:27:52.920 in American media and politics that independent media is now starting to really flourish because you

00:27:58.700 can have conversations like this one and you can look at this evidence critically and you don't just

00:28:05.000 have to take the New York Times' word for it or just watch the clips that they show on the ABC

00:28:09.860 Nightly News or The View. You can actually review this stuff and you can hear people who are willing

00:28:16.560 to ask tough questions do it. But it's terrifying that the corporate media outlets that want to

00:28:22.540 gatekeep are still beating that drum. They are still steadily engaged in a campaign to be the only ones.

00:28:28.540 They want the monopoly on telling you, on being that window for the public into public affairs.

00:28:34.740 They want the monopoly. And if they got a monopoly, if they if they really damage independent media,

00:28:40.680 that's a scary place for the American people to be in because you're only going to be getting the

00:28:44.340 narrative that they're able to just shoehorn these sets of facts into. And they're going to stop

00:28:48.360 asking questions when it becomes uncomfortable for the people in power that are protected by them.

00:28:53.620 Mm hmm. And the people who do care about these judgments from The Times or from these losers on

00:28:58.380 The View, this the last soundbite I showed is actually also indicative of just the absolute

00:29:05.100 laziness of people who are opining on television for a living like that woman. So did she bother to go

00:29:12.340 look at what I actually said or what I was accused of saying by The New York Times before she decided

00:29:16.120 to lump me in with Elon Musk? Here's what The New York Times said I did. Raise doubts that all facts

00:29:20.280 were disclosed. That's a quote. Raise doubts that all facts were disclosed. All facts were not

00:29:24.460 disclosed. That's why there were lawsuits amongst all these journalists to get more facts. So she

00:29:29.460 didn't do her homework. She's lazy, right? She just wants to be a star. She wants to see her name in

00:29:33.580 lights. She wants to get her hair and makeup done. She wants to get her false eyelashes. Trust me,

00:29:37.220 I've worked with people like this, though the vast majority of reporters at Fox who I worked with

00:29:41.840 were hardworking and cared about substance. This woman wants her name in lights. That's what she wants.

00:29:47.080 She doesn't actually want to spew actual information and would happily cast aspersions

00:29:51.920 on those of us who do. And it's a it's a real problem, right, that this show is actually somewhat

00:29:57.520 popular with some people and that you've got people like Whoopi Goldberg and Joy Behar out there with

00:30:02.540 microphones influencing these minds who I don't know. You tell me, Eliana, whether that show actually

00:30:07.680 still has any influence at all or they just preach to the converted who have one ear on it while they

00:30:12.200 work on, I don't know, lunches or needlepoint or something that's more important to their

00:30:17.060 families. I am not. I think I am not that worried about it. You know, we've seen, I think, an enormous

00:30:23.080 decline in the influence for sure in the influence of cable news, but also in the influence of the

00:30:29.820 mainstream media of places like The New York Times and The Washington Post. And that's why outlets

00:30:35.920 like Substack, where an individual person can plant a flag and start making a whole lot of money and

00:30:43.220 why you, Megan, can leave a place and start a podcast and put it on YouTube and be enormously

00:30:48.240 successful there, because I think that the customers are not coming where they used to go.

00:30:53.460 You know, they can smell BS and they are looking to independent voices and independent people, whether

00:30:59.220 they're individuals or new outlets. I am not that worried because I generally think people are sensible

00:31:04.300 and they don't want to be force fed the narratives that are coming from the main, the mainstream

00:31:09.640 outlets. Yeah, I think you're probably right, actually. Well, in any event, it's a fascinating

00:31:14.640 case study, right? And how stories get spun and spun out of control. And then the indignation,

00:31:20.640 you know, the false indignation by the left that had a hand in it after the fact. I mean,

00:31:24.740 it's almost a recipe. The EJs. Precisely, that's that attitude that is driving away customers,

00:31:30.700 viewers, readers. People resent that. Yeah, they actually want facts and they could have been

00:31:37.260 cleared up so much earlier in this case and stopped the nonsense. But that, too, was not in

00:31:41.760 the interest of these leftists who wanted to change the midterms. Emily and Eliana, stay with

00:31:47.180 us. We will be right back. So today is the funeral for Tyree Nichols, the man, black man down in Memphis,

00:31:58.320 Tennessee, who was killed at the hands of five police officers on January 7th. The tapes of that

00:32:03.980 were released late Friday night. And while there were protests in many cities across the country,

00:32:09.480 this did not spin out into a George Floyd type rioting situation in city after city. And that's

00:32:15.820 probably in large part because the five cops were black, too. And so it was a really tough case to

00:32:20.940 spin into a white supremacy situation, which they claim every time when there's a white police officer

00:32:25.860 involved. But that didn't stop many from trying. Right. We heard that from many corners that these

00:32:30.960 cops had internalized white supremacy and they work for a white supremacist system of policing,

00:32:36.240 and that's why they did this and so on and on it goes. So a couple of things to get to on this. I

00:32:41.800 mean, number one, I would say the media coverage of this case has gone away awfully quickly.

00:32:45.800 It just has like there is nothing close to what we saw after George Floyd, even though the beating

00:32:50.560 was even more brutal. I mean, you could certainly make the case with even more brutal and pulling

00:32:56.280 at the heartstrings. And by the way, this man had absolutely no problems with police, wasn't

00:33:01.060 allegedly on drugs, wasn't resisting arrest, except one time he ran away after they peppered,

00:33:05.360 sprayed him or beating him. So, you know, very sympathetic victim. You'd think there'd be

00:33:10.060 outrage that would be ongoing. But no, no, because it doesn't have the very sexy race angle that the

00:33:14.940 left loves to play up and put on loop. That hasn't stopped people like Whoopi Goldberg from back to the

00:33:21.300 view, making a typically inane comment about this case and our country. Here she is the other day.

00:33:29.380 When will the brutality finally lead to some police reform from the ground up? Because clearly it

00:33:38.600 doesn't matter if it's a white policeman or a black policeman, it is a problem in the police.

00:33:43.860 And the policing itself, you know, seems things don't seem to make sense to people unless it's

00:33:51.560 somebody they can feel or they can recognize. But how many times do we have to do we need to see

00:33:56.500 why people also get beaten before anybody will do anything? I'm not suggesting that. So don't write

00:34:01.920 us and tell me what a you know, what a racist I am. It's not that you're a racist. It's that you're

00:34:09.040 dumb. That's that's your problem. You're uninformed, just like the rest of your colleagues on your set.

00:34:14.860 Whites have a much higher chance of being killed by cops than blacks, too. Those are the facts.

00:34:19.560 Much higher chance of being shot by police, much higher chance of dying at the hands of police.

00:34:24.120 This study was done by Roland Fryer of Harvard University, a black man in very well-known

00:34:29.040 research and confirmed multiple times thereafter. And to me, this brought to mind the case of Tony

00:34:34.180 Timbaugh. You remember this guy who Coleman Hughes called attention to this right after George Floyd,

00:34:38.480 white guy, white guy who was who was murdered by cops right around the same time as George Floyd,

00:34:44.400 who got zero publicity. If you don't know that name, it's because the media doesn't cover the

00:34:50.780 cases when it happens to a white victim because that's not in their political interest. So the

00:34:56.660 fact that she doesn't know that is a result of the fact that she actually doesn't either care to go find

00:35:01.340 the facts or she just consumes the wrong media because the media she's watching never shows

00:35:05.960 those cases or highlights facts or Roland Fryer's study or any of this stuff. So she's got her head

00:35:10.780 in, I'll say, the clouds and isn't getting the fact that it isn't just black men who are

00:35:18.280 unfortunately being killed in certain very rare police encounters. It is far off in the case that

00:35:23.580 it is a white person. Thoughts? Well, and that doesn't make her perspective on this particular

00:35:29.300 case. It doesn't make any of the public outrage in this particular case wrong. It just means that

00:35:33.780 it doesn't fit neatly into that narrative. And it's not normal to have a media that is clinging as

00:35:40.680 obsessively to false narratives as ours is now. To your point, Megan, this is the facts that you just

00:35:48.180 laid out are so completely divorced from the universe that the media has created for us. And that's why

00:35:53.540 when people say, you know, you can't just keep scapegoating the media over and over and over

00:35:57.340 again. Well, yeah, we can. Because I think the media is clearly the single greatest problem in

00:36:01.900 American politics, because without the media giving accurate information, we can't even begin to have

00:36:06.960 these conversations. Because to Whoopi Goldberg's point, actually, after George Floyd, there were police

00:36:12.380 departments that did implement reforms. And I bet you more black life was lost because of some of those

00:36:20.160 reforms because they pushed police officers out of the jobs. They had understaffed police

00:36:24.740 departments. The officers in the case of Tyree Nichols were hired after that department had lowered

00:36:30.480 their standards. There were a couple of them were hired in August of 2020. In August of 2020, you can

00:36:36.680 imagine how hard it was to probably retain police officers at that point in time anywhere in the

00:36:40.800 country. And so, in fact, those reforms deserve tons of scrutiny in and of themselves. But the media has

00:36:47.280 created a false universe to the point where most Americans, if you look at polling of what Americans

00:36:52.260 think police violence is versus what it actually is, are living in an alternate universe. And that's not

00:36:56.900 fair because they trust the media. And the only thing the media tells them is completely wrong.

00:37:03.700 She's so right, Eliana. It's if you look at what the media did after George Floyd or after any of these

00:37:08.160 police involved killings that are that the left uses to get votes, to get its voter base fired up.

00:37:15.400 What happens is police draw back the Ferguson effect or the George Floyd effect. Now, Larry Elder was

00:37:22.660 saying the police draw back and it affects mostly communities of color. More black and brown people

00:37:28.860 get killed. And if you look at the stats after George Floyd in the wake of all that, that year,

00:37:34.920 there were forty five percent retirements in the police force went up forty five percent versus the

00:37:40.920 year before. Just quitting resignations went up twenty percent and hiring went down five percent.

00:37:47.280 So police departments across the country started really hemorrhaging their best officers who just

00:37:52.080 didn't want to deal with this. They didn't they didn't want to be labeled all cops or bastards or

00:37:57.540 called racists by white women on the Upper West Side and their Lululemon. They were like, what am I?

00:38:02.060 And then no one's going to back me up when I get into a scuffle on the street, even if it's not my

00:38:06.340 fault. Their calculations were spot on. I actually saw that just to quickly outside the White House

00:38:12.600 in the summer of twenty twenty. I literally saw a white woman about thirty years old in Lululemon

00:38:17.380 leggings screaming in the face of a black female cop that she was a racist is a white woman at three

00:38:25.400 p.m. in the afternoon on a weekday in Lululemon telling this working class black woman that she was

00:38:29.740 a racist. Oh, my God. I remember some of those tapes. It happened multiple times. The the women from

00:38:35.320 the Upper West Side, where I was living for 17 years, are the worst. Those activists, those liberal

00:38:39.660 activists in their Lululemon, please. It's a joke. But the point I was going to land it on, Eliana, is

00:38:44.020 and then what happens? The quality of police officers go down, goes down the quality that they can hire

00:38:51.500 in Memphis. They had to start offering fifteen thousand dollar bonuses to get people to apply

00:38:56.460 to sign on. They started accepting people who had been convicted of felonies as cops. So what do you

00:39:03.740 think is going to happen? Right. Police have been drawing back and you could see this. It was

00:39:11.180 tracked very carefully in the data in Minneapolis. They've been retiring and they can't recruit.

00:39:17.400 And it was astonishing to me. You mentioned there hasn't been as much coverage of this, which I think

00:39:23.400 is true. But in the coverage that has happened, you know, I watched CNN's Don Lemon go down and

00:39:28.860 interview the police chief in this case, who is also an African-American, an African-American

00:39:33.320 female. And it was like the two of them were mourning this together. You know, the member of

00:39:38.480 the press who went down there from CNN wasn't holding the police chief in this case to account

00:39:43.760 and asking how these people could have been hired. How were they there trained? There was not a lot of

00:39:48.940 like holding feet to the fire of the people at the top of this organization. It was more like a

00:39:55.280 collective mourning. And I do think that race probably had something to do with that.

00:40:00.900 But there's a flip side to this or, you know, another side of this as well. It's not just

00:40:06.040 Whoopi Goldberg was saying nothing's been done. There were tons of local reforms. There were police

00:40:10.520 departments where resources were reallocated to mental health or to other things and away from

00:40:17.180 actual policing. There have also been criminal justice and prosecutorial reforms in cities across the

00:40:24.760 country through a wave of reform minded prosecutors in races where the left, primarily George Soros,

00:40:32.540 has poured tons of money into this. And we've seen in cities like San Francisco, in cities like

00:40:37.920 Philadelphia, in cities like Washington, D.C., where they just got where the city council here in this

00:40:43.480 city just got rid of a mandatory minimum for first degree murder. Do you think that doesn't have

00:40:49.240 an impact on the lives of cops? You know, so there's been sort of a pro crime atmosphere in all of these

00:40:56.440 cities at the same time as there's been a drawback in policing. People feel it. Very good point. You've got

00:41:04.640 Joy Reid, who never misses an opportunity to race, hustle and bash the country weighing in on this.

00:41:11.020 Listen to the end of this soundbite in particular.

00:41:14.500 Now, if you have a heart, what happened to the 29-year-old father, skateboarder,

00:41:19.120 FedEx driver and amateur photographer should outrage you. It should shock and disgust you,

00:41:24.860 as should the so-called brothers who chose to behave like a little blue gang rather than as black men.

00:41:31.140 But it damn sure shouldn't surprise you. What happened to Tyree Nichols was as American as apple pie.

00:41:37.380 From the start, the European colonies in the Americas were designed to produce two kinds of

00:41:43.640 people, subjects and citizens. And violence was at the center of it all.

00:41:50.480 OK, so explain. Maybe we could decipher that, Emily. Are the black people the subjects?

00:41:56.620 Because it was black people who killed Tyree Nichols. I don't understand the logic other than

00:42:01.560 America sucks and we're evil and we have been from the start.

00:42:04.560 Yeah, I think that's pretty much it. I mean, I think that's the extent of it.

00:42:08.980 So I got it.

00:42:09.940 She's, yeah, nailed it. Yeah, she's doing, I think what she's trying to say is that violence

00:42:14.820 is baked into the American political system. But her analogy is apt in a way because the way

00:42:21.540 our colonies were founded and the way our country was founded is actually pushing back on this idea

00:42:28.340 that people could be subjects of a monarchy and be controlled by the monarchy in the ways that the

00:42:35.000 British Empire was controlling the colonies that later became the United States. And it was

00:42:40.020 an incredible, reprehensible tragedy the way that they treated slaves, black people as subjects and as slaves.

00:42:49.720 Although the system that was created to have a sort of constitutional republic to try this experiment

00:42:57.380 in Republican government in the way that the United States pioneered that nobody else has ever had ever

00:43:04.200 up to that point attempted on this scale is eventually what helped us way too long, way too late,

00:43:10.600 create the system of legal racial equality. Again, that has rarely, I can't think of any other country

00:43:18.960 throughout history that has done it at the scale that we do it right now. It's a miracle. And again,

00:43:24.640 it took way too long and way too, it happened way too late. But the system that was precisely pushing

00:43:31.440 back on the history of treating individuals as subjects of a monarchy to be controlled and to have

00:43:37.800 their freedoms usurped is exactly what we have right now. We are the benefactors of pushing back

00:43:44.560 on the old system. And no, it's not perfect. But that analogy is just a weird one.

00:43:50.240 She's so bitter, Eliana. This woman, she went to Harvard. She's making millions of dollars.

00:43:55.780 She has her own primetime show on MSNBC. Still, she hates the country. Who are the subjects in this

00:44:02.060 story? I mean, it's presumably black people. I don't know who else she's talking about. Right. So is she a

00:44:07.180 subject? Is is Oprah? Is Meghan Markle? Like, how do you become a subject? How what what are the

00:44:13.520 criteria? Because I don't really understand the theory she's pushing. And I'm not sure she does

00:44:18.220 either. I don't get the sense a lot of questions are are being asked about that. But this is like

00:44:28.380 the deeply embedded narrative in at, you know, at MSNBC, at every at every media outlet that I mean,

00:44:38.820 this is a 1619 project narrative. And, you know, the the irony that she talks about is like, okay,

00:44:45.700 maybe the European colonists and this or that that came over, this was this. And but like,

00:44:50.520 this is what the this is what the American Revolution was fought over. No, we're not subjects.

00:44:56.240 Um, and, uh, I don't get the sense that there's ever been much pushback on on Joy Reid over this.

00:45:03.240 Um, and and any any accountability, um, over her bigoted blog posts, uh, you know,

00:45:09.180 they're still looking for who hacked, uh, you know, who hacked her blog and and made those bigoted blog

00:45:14.320 posts. Um, yeah, there is not a lot of questioning and accountability over at MSNBC. Um, yeah, so

00:45:21.880 the hunt for the hacker, you know, they're, they're still working on Miguel Amagar. They've,

00:45:25.940 they've moved on from Joy Reid. All right. So here's the other piece of this. Al Sharpton,

00:45:30.320 of course, never misses an opportunity to go down and exploit one of these situations,

00:45:34.060 accuse the country of being systemically racist, try to get donations, uh, to his group. And I heard

00:45:40.160 something extraordinary on NPR is up first this morning where the reporter who was from Memphis,

00:45:44.900 um, was explaining, he had spoken with Al Sharpton, who's going to do the eulogy at, at, uh, Tyree's

00:45:51.560 funeral today. And he, and the reporter having spoken to Al Sharpton had insight into why Al Sharpton

00:45:57.620 believes he's the perfect person to do this, even though he never knew Tyree Nichols at all. Listen

00:46:03.240 to the report. You really focused on the power of someone who's unfamiliar with an individual

00:46:12.440 eulogizing that person and how that can really give the speaker power to really figure out what

00:46:20.060 that, that person's death can mean for the future, not just for the family, but also for police reform

00:46:27.320 at a state, local and national level. And he focused on how there really needs to be some strong national

00:46:35.460 reforms in order for police reform to stick. It's amazing. I'm the perfect person because I

00:46:43.340 didn't know him and I will make it not about him at all, but about my agenda. You're hired, Emily.

00:46:49.720 It's, it's great to have him just put it out there. Like I couldn't give a shit about any individual.

00:46:53.580 This is about me and my agenda. Yeah, but it's so, it also just exhibits the complete lack of

00:46:58.500 self-awareness. I think he has no idea. He thinks that sounds great. He thinks it sounds so great that

00:47:02.720 he's telling it to a reporter and the reporter thinks it sounds great. So the reporter is relaying

00:47:08.440 it as though it's really to use the word that he used like 75 times in that 10 second clip. It's

00:47:14.360 just, it's really profound. That's how completely divorced from reality, these people are.

00:47:19.480 It's amazing. I was like, oh, wow. Okay. They're putting it out there now. Okay, great. Appreciate it.

00:47:23.980 All right, Emily and Eliana stay with us. There's so much more to get to. Tom Brady's now

00:47:27.800 officially retiring. We'll ask the ladies about that. Was the divorce worth it?

00:47:32.720 So breaking news, guess who's getting their house searched by the FBI right now for classified

00:47:41.320 documents? Oh, that would be Joe Biden. Yet again, the FBI now searching his Rehoboth Beach

00:47:49.480 house, according to CBS News, which has been all over this story and breaking all sorts of

00:47:55.200 news on it. They're searching his vacation home for classified documents. Biden's legal team

00:48:00.120 said this month it had searched the Rehoboth Beach home and found no mishandled papers.

00:48:05.140 However, similar assurance had been given about his Wilmington, Delaware home before more records

00:48:10.080 were found by the FBI on January 20th. You will not be surprised to learn, per the CBS reporter on this

00:48:17.780 in a tweet, that a source familiar with the investigation tells CBS News the search was

00:48:22.460 planned with Biden's attorneys and consensual. No warrant was sought for the search. Everything

00:48:27.980 is very cooperative and chummy and there will be apparently no raid. But this guy's not forking

00:48:35.880 over the documents because the FBI continues to hit his properties up, even though they try their

00:48:41.340 best to keep it quiet. Eliana, thoughts on this?

00:48:44.600 Well, we don't know if he's forking them over or not. We don't quite know if the FBI is finding

00:48:51.600 things at these locations. But it is clear to me that, you know, Biden wasn't particularly careful

00:48:57.760 with what he took from the residents. And obviously, this is an endemic problem with people as Mike Pence

00:49:06.140 turned up documents. Trump took a lot of documents. And I think the significance of this story is twofold.

00:49:13.560 The first is that it's going to be incredibly difficult for the Justice Department to indict

00:49:18.560 Trump on this just from a political angle. Very, very hard when from a public perception standpoint,

00:49:25.620 Biden did the same thing. And yes, you can distinguish between the cases and this, that and

00:49:30.380 the other. But but politically, it makes it difficult. And the second thing is the way that the Biden team

00:49:38.880 handled it, I think, raises real questions about their political instincts and the way that they

00:49:44.940 drip, drip, dripped out the information about this. And I think there has to be an enormous amount of

00:49:51.100 frustration amongst some Biden allies and Democrats about the way this went. I this is not, I think,

00:49:57.640 how they wanted. You know, he had a better than expected midterm election. And this is not,

00:50:02.600 I think, how they wanted the flip side of that to be starting.

00:50:05.720 You know, indicting Trump at this point is starting to look like, you know, going after I didn't inhale

00:50:10.420 Bill Clinton for doing drugs and letting Cheech and Chong walk. I mean, it's not going to happen.

00:50:16.160 But it's amazing because there was a report late yesterday, Emily, that the feds, the FBI actually

00:50:21.560 did go and search the Biden pen center to back in November and didn't disclose that to us. So during the

00:50:29.380 we're we're being transparent, Kareem Jean-Pierre, we're being very transparent. That was not disclosed.

00:50:34.320 And so it's drip, drip, drip with the information about just how shady team Biden has been and how

00:50:39.880 frustrated the feds have been in trying to get to these classified documents wherever they are.

00:50:44.680 Hunter Biden's back pocket, the Porsche, the Corvette, whatever it was. And now the beach home.

00:50:49.820 Is there anywhere Joe Biden didn't take classified documents? The whole thing is they're obfuscating.

00:50:55.380 The team Biden is 100 percent obfuscating and the feds haven't been all that transparent either.

00:50:59.480 Yeah. Two really important points. And one thing that Veep, the HBO show, did captured really well about

00:51:07.100 Washington and media is any time you would see the press secretary being intentionally sort of kept out of

00:51:15.040 the loop, you know, they would tell Mike, you know, just get out of the room. You don't know.

00:51:18.420 You don't know. And then they would just kind of scramble to figure out what they know and how to lie and

00:51:23.800 and what Mike should say, what the press secretary should say. That's what I have to imagine has been

00:51:28.420 happening behind closed doors. Like they're trying to keep the press team out of the loop because the

00:51:32.760 Biden team knows way more than they certainly want the press to know. And that puts the press secretary

00:51:38.880 in the position that she's been over the last couple of months. So the last month, it's extremely

00:51:43.780 difficult because it's looking worse and worse. The more that we learn about what Biden knew about

00:51:49.920 these documents, about what the FBI knew about these documents, I'm ready to search my own

00:51:53.620 apartment for classified documents because apparently they're just everywhere.

00:51:58.240 My diary. Yeah, right. The overclassification of documents. People have known about it. Obama

00:52:03.780 actually signed a bill about it, but it hasn't really done much. And that's I think, again,

00:52:09.260 Mike Pence, like Biden, said that he had looked and he hadn't taken any classified documents. And

00:52:15.680 it's just like nobody knows if they had classified documents because documents that have no

00:52:19.200 business being classified are classified. And we had to go through this whole Trump saga about how

00:52:25.040 people were just on there. They were clutching their pearls and they were fainting to their

00:52:29.240 couches about how incredibly reckless and irresponsible it was for him to have these

00:52:33.240 documents at Mar-a-Lago. But now it's just like, you know, everybody does it. It's how can you help

00:52:39.080 it? You know, everything's at the beach house. It's like not even at the main house, not even at the

00:52:43.080 Penn Biden Center. It's like at the beach house. My God. I mean, you know, the guy was sitting on

00:52:46.620 Amtrak looking at classified documents. I just I feel like there's there's zero doubt that Joe

00:52:50.120 Biden did that, which leads me to our next story. So Joe Biden, he's not all there. I mean, we know

00:52:56.480 this. He's really losing his faculties. And it's become a non-story because the Democrats did better

00:53:01.480 than expected in the midterms. So the press has just decided to forget or ignore the fact that he's

00:53:06.480 got real cognitive challenges and wants to become our second term U.S. president. He got up on stage

00:53:13.500 yesterday in Baltimore and started telling this story. Speaking of Amtrak, you know, he used to

00:53:18.920 ride it all the time going from D.C. home to Delaware. And he's told this story many times before

00:53:24.940 and he has been fact checked on it many times before. It simply isn't true. It cannot be true.

00:53:33.300 None of the facts add up, but he continues to lie about it. Here's the story with Joe on Amtrak.

00:53:40.680 When I was vice president, I flew over a million miles on Air Force Two and I was going home as the

00:53:49.640 United States as vice president. One of the conductors said to me, hey, Joe, big deal.

00:53:56.360 A million, whatever, 200. You said you've traveled over a million miles on Amtrak.

00:54:01.100 How the hell do you know that? And they added it up.

00:54:03.580 Okay. First of all, the mumbling. It's like, this is not in self-confidence, but okay. He says this

00:54:11.620 happened when he was vice president. Now he was vice president from 2008 to 2016. He's in the past

00:54:18.800 revealed that the conductor who said this to him was Angelo Negri, who retired in 1992.

00:54:25.760 Not 2008 to 2016. So wouldn't have been there. And by the way, he died in May of 2014. So he

00:54:33.860 certainly ruled out after that point. Mr. Biden, for those counting at home, did not actually even

00:54:38.960 reach 1 million miles on Air Force Two until September 2015 when this conductor was dead.

00:54:45.080 So the conductor did not come and compare his 1 million miles on Amtrak to his 1 million miles

00:54:50.320 in Air Force Two because that milestone was reached after the man died. So he died.

00:54:56.720 So he, in this Monday's version of the story, he did not mention Mr. Negri.

00:55:00.960 And he also did not say that it happened toward the end of his term as vice president, which he has

00:55:05.560 said in the past. Again, those are both statements he's included in earlier versions, which cannot be

00:55:11.380 true. And is this the second time he's done it? Is it the third time he's done it? No, ladies,

00:55:16.280 this is the eighth time he's told this false story. So I it kind of relates to story number one about how

00:55:26.940 seriously he treats classified information, how careful a man he is and how we can trust his word

00:55:33.780 and they're being transparent. He can't even get the stories of his own life straight. And he tells

00:55:39.160 them over and over like they're real when they're completely made up. This is our commander in chief.

00:55:44.540 And why would we put any stock whatsoever in the reassurances given to us by him or his team when

00:55:51.580 it comes to what documents he has where?

00:55:56.240 I mean, a couple of things going on here. The first is that even when Biden was at 100%,

00:56:01.900 he was telling tall tales. And he's clearly the type of person who has told these stories enough

00:56:09.420 times that he has come to believe these things actually happened to him. You know, he has been

00:56:15.140 inventing the story of his own life from the get go. And the other thing is, he's losing his faculty.

00:56:20.580 So I think these two things are like on a collision course that we are seeing, you know, something

00:56:26.140 very interesting and alarming happening in real time with this president, which is like his penchant for

00:56:34.540 making things up about himself that he has come to actually believe and like his actual degenerating mental state.

00:56:41.900 Maybe we should just be doing it ourselves. Like, what would you lie about if you could just make up your own

00:56:46.540 path? Like, I would be. Oh, there's a lot.

00:56:48.780 I would have gone to like Amherst. I would have been a Rhodes Scholar. I would have been first in

00:56:54.800 my class, you know, like, oh, I don't know. Why? Why? Why are we all so tethered to facts?

00:56:59.640 It doesn't matter anymore. What is a fact? The truth is truth is not real.

00:57:04.860 Right. As a I'm a conservative. I didn't love the idea of the host of Celebrity Apprentice,

00:57:10.320 like negotiating with Vladimir Putin. But it's we had to hear the like reflexive freak outs every time

00:57:17.080 Trump negotiated with a foreign leader about how he he just wasn't qualified. He had all of these

00:57:22.620 character lapses. He just he didn't have the capacity to do this job. Joe Biden, like it's

00:57:29.460 actually gives me chills thinking about what he's telling foreign leaders in private meetings.

00:57:33.820 And his lack of faculties that we see in public when he's telling silly stories about Amtrak or

00:57:39.640 Air Force Two, whatever it is, they're they're like strange and all of that stuff. But imagine

00:57:46.360 being translated to substance. It's actually the media never wants to talk about that at all.

00:57:52.300 Nobody wants to talk about it. That is completely a real substance of concern.

00:57:56.340 I'm going to I do really think the most interesting story that hasn't been written about the

00:58:02.240 administration is is probably the close and careful management of Biden by his closest aides

00:58:09.580 in those sorts of settings, which has to be happening. But he has incredibly loyal people around

00:58:16.000 him. And I do wonder if that story will be written or told at some point. But certainly that has to be

00:58:21.560 the most interesting through line story of the Biden administration is the management of his mental

00:58:28.340 decline by loyal aides and the public perception of it. Well, thank God for those people, because if

00:58:35.180 they didn't carefully manage that this is what we would be seeing a lot. Okay, this is what we'd be stuck

00:58:41.720 with. I give you Kamala Harris teaching us about how rockets work. Bob and Doug returned to the

00:58:51.820 Kennedy Space Center. They suited up. They waved to their families. And they rode an elevator up nearly 20

00:59:02.400 stories. They strapped in to their seats. They strapped in to their seats and waited as the tanks beneath them

00:59:09.860 filled with 10s of 1000s of gallons of fuel. And then they launched. Yeah, they did.

00:59:21.540 Oh, my God. And just in case you were thinking, oh, she must be speaking to a group of

00:59:29.800 kindergartners. No, she was speaking to astronauts talking about SpaceX and giving the astronauts an

00:59:36.100 award. She was explaining to astronauts. Can we just hear it one more time? I'm sorry. I need to hear

00:59:41.380 it one more time knowing now that she was speaking to actual astronauts.

00:59:44.160 Bob and Doug returned to the Kennedy Space Center. They suited up. They waved to their families.

00:59:53.620 And they rode an elevator up nearly 20 stories. They strapped in to their seats and waited as the

01:00:03.380 tanks beneath them filled with tens of thousands of gallons of fuel. And then they launched.

01:00:14.160 Yeah, they did.

01:00:18.780 It's awful. It's awful. It's so bad.

01:00:22.040 Wait, Emily, do you feel better? I was trying to make you feel better.

01:00:24.540 Did you worry about Joe Biden?

01:00:27.880 That physically hurts the last part where she's like, they launched. Yeah, they did. Like she's

01:00:32.900 trying to channel childlike wonderment. She's talking in a room full of astronauts.

01:00:37.000 Truly. It's like the airplane into the kid's mouth. You did it. You did. Good. Good for you.

01:00:42.320 No, you did it, Doug. You did it. I'm humiliated.

01:00:46.380 You think this is why Elizabeth Warren's coming after her?

01:00:49.180 God bless Elizabeth Warren. I'm team Warren. I don't care. We used to call her chief lies a lot

01:00:53.120 at Fox. I'm team chief lies a lot. It was only my team, but come on. She was fake. She said she

01:00:59.620 was a fake Native American. She said she was a real one, but that was a fake claim. I'm really

01:01:03.560 worried about our leadership. I'm not going to lie. I don't have faith in this particular team.

01:01:07.720 I'm starting to wonder whether Gavin Newsom actually could do a better job. I forget.

01:01:12.560 Forget I said that because he's so far left. It's just hard to even stomach. But yeah, there's

01:01:16.140 there's serious problems down in Washington. OK, so let's shift gears now because we have a problem

01:01:22.040 at the federal judge level. There are a lot of vacancies. Each side tries to stop the other side's

01:01:27.800 choices from getting in. And you tell me whether this judge actually should be stopped from getting

01:01:35.380 in. All right. This happened last week when when the president nominates somebody to a judicial

01:01:40.080 post. The Senate has to confirm if it's a federal judge. It could be a federal district court judge.

01:01:43.980 That's the lowest level trial court or federal appellate court judge. That's the next level up

01:01:48.280 or Supreme Court judge. People are familiar with those confirmation hearings. So this judge. OK,

01:01:55.460 now her name is Charnel Belkingrin, Judge Charnel Belkingrin, and she is from Washington State Superior

01:02:07.960 Court. So she's from a state court in the state of Washington. And they Joe Biden wants her to be on

01:02:13.800 the federal bench. Well, it didn't go particularly well when she was asked some very, very basic questions

01:02:23.340 about the Constitution. Here's a Republican senator, John Kennedy, asking her a little bit about our

01:02:31.920 U.S. Constitution, which is what a federal judge deals in all day, every day. It's not 16.

01:02:37.120 Tell me what Article 5 of the Constitution does.

01:02:45.440 Article 5 is not coming to mind at the moment.

01:02:48.180 OK. How about Article 2?

01:02:54.180 Neither is Article 2.

01:02:56.100 Oh, my God.

01:02:56.880 OK.

01:03:01.760 Do you know what purposivism is?

01:03:08.380 In my 12 years as an assistant attorney general

01:03:12.260 and my nine years serving as a judge, I was not faced with that precise question.

01:03:19.300 We are the highest trial court in Washington State, so I'm frequently faced with issues that

01:03:25.940 I'm not familiar with. And I thoroughly review the law, research, and apply the law to the facts

01:03:32.360 presented to me.

01:03:33.260 Well, you're going to be faced with it if you're confirmed.

01:03:37.040 I can assure you of that.

01:03:38.480 I'm sorry. I can even give her Article 5, which deals with the amendments

01:03:44.420 process. But Article 2? You don't know what Article 2 does? Article 2 is about executive

01:03:50.600 powers. Let me, there's a little cheat sheet for you the next time you go before your confirmation

01:03:53.760 hearings. Article 2 is about executive powers. It's where the president gets, oh, I, I'm stunned

01:03:59.460 that this person who wants to sit on the federal bench deciding important cases, A, didn't know that,

01:04:05.480 and B, even if you didn't know that, like, why wouldn't you, like, read the Constitution before

01:04:10.760 your confirmation hearings just kind of phoned it in just in case somebody asked you about it?

01:04:15.580 This is horrifying. And I firmly believe this nomination should be pulled. What do you guys think?

01:04:21.840 I mean, absolutely. And in defending herself, she said, you know, in all of my years of experience

01:04:28.000 as what deputy attorney general assistant attorney general, that makes this so much worse.

01:04:33.080 You're telling us that you're serving the public in an influential position without being able to

01:04:38.380 name Article 2. And if it's a situation where she got stumped on the Article 5 question and then her

01:04:43.840 brain just shut down, maybe, maybe that's understandable. It doesn't seem like that's

01:04:48.760 what happened at all, because then you would just sort of talk your way. You'd catch yourself at some

01:04:52.400 point and come up with the answer. It's actually more horrifying that she has all of that experience and

01:04:57.900 and couldn't name Article 2. She went through law school. Megan, you would know more about this than

01:05:02.660 that I do. I imagine it's probably difficult to go through law school and not encounter Article 2 a

01:05:07.900 lot. You have to take com law. You have to take constitutional law your first year of law school.

01:05:12.660 It's one of the biggest and most important cases or subjects. It runs the entire year. And it's one of

01:05:18.200 the bedrocks of the law that I'm sorry, but there is no excuse to not know what Article 2 is. This is

01:05:26.520 an embarrassment. And she has made herself look like a case of affirmative action for women. I don't

01:05:32.360 know if she's diverse, but she's a woman and they're trying to get more women on the federal bench, this

01:05:36.520 this president in particular. And I can see, OK, great. Maybe we want more diversity. She's not it.

01:05:42.200 Keep looking. There are other qualified women out there. This is an embarrassment. Mitch McConnell,

01:05:46.240 he came out and said, OK, high schoolers across America learn about Article 2 each year.

01:05:54.020 Then he says she flunked yet another question about legal philosophy. That was per positivism.

01:05:57.740 It's basically the opposite of originalism. It's people who want to interpret the law based on its

01:06:01.400 original purpose. Like what are they trying to accomplish? Let's go with that.

01:06:06.280 She flunked another question about the most controversial Supreme Court case this term

01:06:10.800 when asked to list the top 10 most impactful cases she'd ever litigated.

01:06:15.660 She couldn't do it. She came up with, I guess, six. At no point has she ever even appeared in

01:06:21.960 federal court by that standard. By all these standards, I'm way more qualified than this woman

01:06:25.560 to take over this role. I've argued in front of many federal courts, district court and appeals.

01:06:30.840 And then he asked whether Joe Biden has drastically lowered the standards for serving as a federal judge

01:06:37.360 in his rush to stock the federal judiciary with nominees who are viewed as sympathetic to his

01:06:42.500 political agenda. Quote, is this the caliber of legal expert with which President Biden is filling

01:06:47.780 the federal bench for a lifetime appointments? It seems to be. It seems to be. And this is the

01:06:55.600 same. He raises the point, ladies, that Trump appointee Catherine Kimball Mizell, who's the one

01:07:01.380 who struck down the administration's mask mandate. The left was all over her as too young,

01:07:05.560 too unqualified. She'd at least clerked for the U.S. Supreme Court. She understood federal law very well,

01:07:09.920 the Constitution very well. This lady, nothing. And yet they're all behind her. Joe Biden's standing

01:07:14.380 by her saying he stands by her proudly. His white deputy press secretary says they stand by her

01:07:20.060 proudly so there will be no withdrawal.

01:07:25.960 Yeah, I mean, that testimony was not defensible, did not and should not inspire confidence in anybody.

01:07:32.140 But I do think, as Emily suggested, that it says a lot about the state of legal education in America.

01:07:37.380 And I don't agree with Mitch McConnell, the Senate minority leader, that high schoolers across America

01:07:44.140 are learning what Article 2 of the Constitution teaches. I don't think I learned that in high

01:07:51.340 school. And I certainly don't think that high school education has gotten better since I graduated

01:07:57.100 high school many years ago. And I think that is how you get judicial nominees who appear before a federal

01:08:04.020 court who don't know what Article 2 and Article 5 of the Constitution are. And yes, their standards

01:08:10.060 should be higher. But I also think there's a much larger problem going on here. But Megan,

01:08:15.240 if I'm ever elected president, you are going to be top of my list for a federal judicial nominee.

01:08:21.160 And, you know, I think you can still have your your podcast on the side.

01:08:24.960 I do a damn same better job. Obviously, obviously, you would crush this testimony.

01:08:31.040 And even like the stuff I didn't know, I'm smart enough to know what to study before appearing

01:08:35.780 in front of the Senate. She obviously was coached in the response she did give where she said,

01:08:41.700 you know, I've had experience dealing with questions where I don't know. She obviously was

01:08:46.180 giving a coach response and she obviously had not committed to memory what every article of the

01:08:50.520 Constitution does. But that's what school teaches us now, right? Like school teaches us how to deflect

01:08:56.460 when we don't know. It won't teach us the substance. But if you don't know the answer,

01:09:00.080 it teaches you how to BS your way into something that sounds quasi acceptable.

01:09:05.980 What are you going to say, Eliana? We need both.

01:09:08.280 Yeah, I would love to do a little Q&A with her.

01:09:10.300 The useful skill, but like, I mean, come on. She should have like she committed to memory the BS

01:09:15.580 answer. She did not commit to memory like the very basic, the very basics of the job,

01:09:20.280 which should have been done. As you said, I mean, I took con law as an undergrad and,

01:09:24.300 you know, kind of basic.

01:09:26.820 It's horrifying. I really would love to go. Let's let's do all the first year classes together. What

01:09:30.880 is a tort? What is a basic print? What does the Fifth Amendment allow criminal defendants to do?

01:09:41.540 We can go through it slowly. Take your time. What is civil procedure requires not disclosure,

01:09:48.000 but discover like we could have a lot of fun. I wish they should bring me in as a pinch hitter,

01:09:54.040 just as a questioner. It could be super fun. In the meantime, we're putting judges like this on

01:09:59.120 the bench and the country's got real problems. One of them is immigration, as you know, and we are

01:10:04.760 having massive problems in places like New York now as a result of this. And I'm torn because I'm

01:10:10.300 right outside in New York. I live my life in New York. And I like the point that these Southern

01:10:15.940 governors are making these border state governors are making by sending these illegal migrants up

01:10:20.060 north so that people like Eric Adams, our mayor, has skin in this game. But we're getting overwhelmed

01:10:26.360 and there's no federal plan. And so it really does make people like Eric Adams and liberals in these

01:10:33.620 blue states start asking the question, what are we going to do? We talked last week about how we've

01:10:39.000 got people on the terror watch list coming across. You got pedophiles coming across. And here in New

01:10:43.620 York, it was just a local story about how now they're kicking women out of the women's shelters

01:10:47.820 because they're filling them with migrants who need a place to stay. They don't have a plan for

01:10:53.380 them. So they're like, why don't we get rid of the abused women? They're on their own. Go back to

01:10:56.520 your husbands and we're going to fill these these shelters full of migrants who are here illegally

01:11:02.040 because they deserve the taxpayer money more than the abused women do. It's an outrage.

01:11:05.860 Well, and that's happening in a major, major city. And what's I think even sadder is what is happening

01:11:14.420 to border towns that are small and rural and less wealthy and have fewer resources. If you go to

01:11:20.420 border towns, you see how they've been affected by this. So and the really, really obnoxious thing to

01:11:26.380 hear from Eric Adams to say New York is full is because most of the people who are complaining

01:11:31.500 are supporters of sanctuary city policies and sanctuary city policies. This is the one of

01:11:35.900 the biggest things that people don't understand about the immigration crisis. I have been in Mexico

01:11:40.320 talking to migrants and what they tell you is they are coming because they've heard people are getting

01:11:45.440 in. And what happens is when people come across, they get some form of humanitarian parole or their

01:11:51.380 asylum claim is pending. Their court date is in months, if not years. And then they're able to

01:11:56.500 disappear into the shadows of sanctuary cities. And so it's a huge pull factor. The policies of Eric Adams,

01:12:03.220 the policies of cities that are sanctuary cities, Martha's Vineyard, whatever the heck it calls

01:12:09.040 itself, the policies like that are ones that draw people into the United States because they know they can

01:12:14.600 find all of these legal loopholes to the system that our bureaucracy has created in the absence of any

01:12:19.820 congressional action to actually legislate a real immigration policy, to subvert it, to create

01:12:25.640 loopholes in it. And they know that they can exploit that and they can live a better life, even operating

01:12:30.820 in the shadows of a sanctuary city. And that's why they're willing to sleep on the streets of

01:12:35.620 Matamoros and pay cartels for protection just for the opportunity to live in the shadows in the United

01:12:42.420 States because it's better than than their alternatives. And so it's just maddening to hear from people like

01:12:48.280 Eric Adams who are boosting cartels with their virtue signaling sanctuary city designations. They're the

01:12:54.780 ones that are boosting cartels and inducing migrants to take these horrible these horrible journeys that

01:13:01.620 cause so much suffering through through their dumb policies. The the entitlement that some of these

01:13:09.400 people come over with is, I have to say, shocking to me. You know, they're painted by the media as just

01:13:15.080 like this loving, sweet group of people that wants a better life and they want to move to New York.

01:13:20.620 They don't mention the people on the terror watch list and they don't mention the pedophiles

01:13:23.680 and they don't mention these groups that are like, I will come and you will take care of me.

01:13:28.680 And when you don't to you, I'm going to throw a fit because the reporting out of Fox News yesterday

01:13:34.120 was that there's showing a group of illegal immigrants protesting here in New York City

01:13:38.860 outside of the Watson Hotel because they're mad. They're mad. They're being relocated from this

01:13:45.060 free hotel free to them, not to us, not to the taxpayers. They're mad that they're being relocated

01:13:51.580 from the hotel taxpayer funded in Manhattan to a migrant crisis center in Brooklyn. This hotel

01:13:58.920 is three hundred dollars a night in Hell's Kitchen, which is a very hip area now. And they're

01:14:04.100 mad. They don't want to leave Hell's Kitchen. They don't want to go to Brooklyn. They want to stay on

01:14:08.740 my dime and the dime of the New Yorkers and stay happily ensconced in their luxury hotel. This is

01:14:15.440 ridiculous. Get out. Go back home. You don't belong here to begin with. And you'll take what

01:14:21.040 we give you and say thank you while you await your asylum hearing.

01:14:24.540 Look, I do not blame them in the least because if that were me, yes, I would want to stay in the

01:14:34.220 nicer place and I would want to be at the Four Seasons, Megan, or the Ritz-Carlton or wherever.

01:14:39.700 This is on us. You know, this is on us to run a country, enforce our laws, have borders,

01:14:45.800 et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Like, I do not blame the migrants for taking advantage of a system

01:14:50.420 and for reading the signals that our president and our lawmakers have sent for decades now,

01:14:55.600 which is that we are not only not going to enforce the laws on the books, but we are not going to

01:15:00.700 come up with and create new laws that would actually put in place a system that would stop

01:15:07.180 these things from happening. And we've obviously seen, you know, Biden came into office. He was

01:15:12.180 determined to reverse what he viewed as the Trump administration's inhumane immigration policies

01:15:18.040 and sent a signal to people, come on in. And yes, we'll put you up, you know, not at the Four

01:15:22.560 Seasons, but a few rungs down in Manhattan. And people got that message. And he's been responding

01:15:29.440 to pressures on his left, from the left of the Democratic Party. And I don't think it's until he

01:15:34.960 feels real heat from the folks on his right in the Democratic Party and from Republicans, whether it's in

01:15:41.160 a presidential primary or elsewhere and consequences of the ballot box, which he did not feel in these

01:15:46.440 midterm elections that we're going to start seeing any changes. You know, it's you know, of course,

01:15:51.380 the State of the Union, you always get the preferred guests who are going to embody the

01:15:56.160 consequences of the president's policies in a positive way or who, you know, spotlight where

01:16:00.940 the president needs to change something committed by the other party. And we're told that the family

01:16:06.120 of Tyree Nichols is going to be there. You know who's not going to be there? This woman highlighted in

01:16:10.260 this report by WNBC who said she was a victim of domestic violence, who reportedly got an order

01:16:17.480 of protection against her abuser, who works two jobs, has a college degree and a promising

01:16:23.380 professional dancing career, but needed to go into a shelter given those problems that I just outlined

01:16:29.500 and went to a an alleged women's center. It says help women's center on the door only to find out

01:16:37.600 it's not a women's shelter anymore because the city recently repurposed it to house migrant men now

01:16:43.540 flooding into the city shelters by the thousands. She tried to go to another shelter. She can't go home.

01:16:48.580 She's an abused wife or woman. She tries to go to another shelter in the Bronx where she was met with people

01:16:55.380 in hospital gowns. That's not a good sign in the shelter. You're not supposed to see the people in hospital

01:16:59.180 gowns. They're drunk people, no beds. So she finally had to give up and she slept in her car.

01:17:05.840 Now, women like this are under enough stress given their lives and the taxpayers. Most of us would be

01:17:10.560 happy to pay money to help women like this get to a safe place. And we have done that. And we don't

01:17:16.280 want it repurposed for migrant men who have absolutely no right to be here. This is absolutely wrong. And we

01:17:23.320 will not see this woman at Joe Biden's State of the Union or highlighted by pretty much any other media

01:17:28.640 good for WNBC for doing it because they're not interested in what the presence of these thousands

01:17:34.820 of migrants here is doing to Americans who have their own troubles. Emily.

01:17:40.020 No, that's a great point. And one thing, again, it's partially the media's fault. It's also the

01:17:43.980 Democratic Party that is not getting understood right now is the scale of this crisis under Joe Biden.

01:17:48.560 Like these numbers are not comparable to anything that we have seen before. What we're

01:17:53.020 seeing in terms of crossings and gotaways is a staggering, staggering numbers because cartels

01:17:59.640 have industrialized this and people I have migrants on video saying they heard Biden noise

01:18:05.320 drastica like Donald Trump was. So that was part of what induced them to take these horrible,

01:18:10.740 horrible journeys. And to your point about the resources, I think most Americans taxpayers would

01:18:16.200 also be happy to work with people who have legitimate asylum claims, legitimate asylum claims like the

01:18:22.660 Cubans and some of the Venezuelans who are now being turned away, who are now being deported

01:18:27.100 because we don't have a system right now where we can safely take people who are in danger, people

01:18:33.260 from Russia, from Ukraine who are legitimately in danger, who need asylum in the way that this

01:18:38.560 country has provided asylum for years. But because the system is so backlogged and totally overrun

01:18:45.580 right now and is being there's there's so many loopholes being exploited. We can't have a system

01:18:50.480 that processes people safely so that we know, for instance, whether people have criminal backgrounds

01:18:54.980 so that we can care whether people have criminal backgrounds and immediately do things. We just

01:18:59.520 don't have a system that's adjudicating any of that fairly. So it's a it's a complete shame on and

01:19:04.980 it is a total blot on the United States of America's record as a place that of an opportunity for people

01:19:11.940 who need it, because those people are being shut out of the system right now and are having a much harder

01:19:17.740 time because we're being inundated with basically economic migrants who will tell you that they're

01:19:22.300 economic migrants. A lot of the Haitians haven't lived in Haiti since the years after the 2010

01:19:26.120 earthquake. They've lived in Argentina, Chile, Brazil, Mexico. They've had perfectly fine lives there.

01:19:31.980 But when the economy was a little iffy during covid, they decided to come on up because what they told

01:19:36.980 us, the American dream, they're economic migrants. They're not fleeing political violence. And the system is

01:19:41.560 such a mess right now because we have no law and order. Wasn't wasn't Kamala Harris supposed to get

01:19:48.440 to the root causes of immigration and solve that crisis instead of sit there lecturing astronauts

01:19:52.700 about what it's like to take off in a rocket? I mean, what? What is she? Truly we were so bass

01:19:58.860 backwards right now. It's very frustrating. All right. Stand by. I do want to get to the Tom Brady

01:20:03.760 news. I got a lot of thoughts on this, and I would love to talk to you guys about your reaction.

01:20:06.560 He's officially retiring. We have that plus a transgender ice skater who, I mean, crash and

01:20:11.720 burn, does not quite capture what happened on the ice. Why are we doing this again?

01:20:15.820 Plenty more to get to as the EJs stick around.

01:20:21.480 Tom Brady is officially and for reals retiring. He announced it today online. Take a listen.

01:20:29.920 Good morning, guys. I'll get to the point right away. I'm retiring for good.

01:20:36.560 I know the process was a pretty big deal last time. So when I woke up this morning, I figured

01:20:41.920 I just press record and let you guys know first. So I won't be long winded. You only get one super

01:20:49.980 emotional retirement essay and I used mine up last year. So I really thank you guys so much

01:20:56.800 to every single one of you for supporting me. My family, my friends, my teammates, my competitors.

01:21:07.800 I could go on forever. There's too many. Thank you guys for allowing me to live my absolute dream.

01:21:14.340 I wouldn't change a thing. Love you all.

01:21:19.500 You wouldn't, you wouldn't change the part at the end where you lost your wife of, I don't know,

01:21:28.200 10 plus years, 12 years, because you wouldn't retire a thing that you then decided to do 365 days

01:21:34.920 later. I mean, honestly, like Tom Brady seems like a rather sweet guy. I don't think he's evil hearted.

01:21:41.480 I actually, you know, I, I, he's amazing as a football player, but the collapse of your marriage

01:21:46.740 over one extra year of football seems like something one should regret. Thoughts on it,

01:21:52.520 Eliana? I always wonder if we really know everything about what went on there. Um, and if that's,

01:21:59.500 that's really why the split was, but certainly if that is why it was, um, seems silly not to have

01:22:05.560 hung it up, um, a year ago. Um, on the other hand, um, I think, I think a year ago, like I made the

01:22:11.540 same joke because he's so, um, you know, it's hard not to admire him. Um, I liked the video and I was

01:22:17.520 like, go Tom Brady. You can go like binge eat a hundred almonds now, um, and have 20 of your like

01:22:24.800 spinach shakes. Um, but I, it's, it's just always hard to like see into the personal, uh, to the

01:22:30.800 personal lives of these people, which I'm sure are crazy. And he has a wildly successful wife as

01:22:36.520 well. Um, who I'm sure has, um, you know, who has their own career and, uh, stuff is hard.

01:22:43.860 I talked with Dr. Laura about this when they broke up, uh, Emily and I asked her, I mean,

01:22:48.780 she's, this is her business and she's been, you know, for a lifetime counseling families and helping

01:22:53.560 people with relationships. And, um, it had a very successful private practice before she became a radio

01:22:58.200 star. And she was saying kind of what Eliana just said, like, you never know what's really

01:23:03.160 happening in people's private lives. And that, especially when it comes to public figures who

01:23:06.980 are this famous with these big jobs, they will mislead you. They will create a perfectly curated

01:23:12.980 image that you are meant to accept and buy and want to emulate, but that is a mirage. And so I agree.

01:23:21.180 And I've said before, I don't buy that. This is what led to the end of their marriage that he

01:23:25.300 wanted to continue playing football. And she said, peace out. I've sacrificed enough of my

01:23:29.340 career, but it is the only thing we've gotten from them directly on why the marriage collapsed.

01:23:36.140 You know, she gave an interview talking about how it's my turn. I put my career on hold.

01:23:40.120 She was the world's number one supermodel and that she really wanted him to retire. And she was sick of

01:23:45.080 having to worry about him out there and he wouldn't do it. You know, he retired reportedly because of

01:23:49.420 her and then he wouldn't do it. And this is Giselle living her best life post-divorce down in some beach

01:23:54.380 community showing us why she's the world's number one supermodel or at least was. And so

01:24:00.820 understanding all those dynamics, I have to say, like, to me, this is just a tragedy. If that really

01:24:06.660 was the reason, you know, what we've said, like he lasted one more year for one year. He lost his

01:24:14.320 spouse. But like, where's the self-sacrifice? Like, where's the where is the mature decision to say,

01:24:21.360 I will table my one year? To sacrifice for you, my spouse, to sacrifice for the sake of my marriage

01:24:28.160 and for the sake of my children to have their family remain together.

01:24:32.400 And maybe this is a sign that he can get his family back together. Maybe this is a sign that

01:24:36.900 that's actually on the table. I don't know. But it's a really interesting point from both you and

01:24:41.580 Dr. War is that and from Eliana made this as well, that if it was about the extra year of football,

01:24:47.560 it sounds like what it was more about was his treatment towards her. So if if that extra year

01:24:53.980 of football or if his retirement was about putting her first and then he went back and unretired,

01:24:59.800 that's that's really about her. That's that's about his treatment of his wife as opposed to his

01:25:05.200 treatment of his career. And these high level athletes, Tom Brady is one of the best athletes that has

01:25:11.000 ever competed in modern history. It's it's an obsession. And so obviously, she's been dealing

01:25:17.200 with that for years. She's she knows that about him. She's dealt with that intimately about him

01:25:22.060 for years and years and years. And so at a certain point, it's hard for her and for their children to

01:25:27.280 watch him do that to himself. So I actually hope this is his retirement. I'm from Wisconsin. We went

01:25:33.360 through this with Brett Favre year after year after year. He would kind of retire, then unretire,

01:25:37.640 then kind of unretire. And then he would go to a different club. And it was just like

01:25:40.860 the craziest thing in the world. But it's, I think, a temptation for high level athletes to

01:25:44.880 earn more money, to get to that next Super Bowl, to break those records, et cetera, et cetera. So

01:25:49.460 I hope this is his retirement and I hope it means that he's getting his family back together.

01:25:53.540 I don't think they are. I mean, they're already divorced and she's down there with the

01:25:58.020 Taekwondo instructor and all these pictures. So one of those martial arts and all these pictures

01:26:02.580 who looks quite dreamy himself living her best life. But I do have to wonder if this really

01:26:07.680 was the reason, as you know, the reports say, what would it be like to be Giselle today?

01:26:12.980 You know, Giselle Bundchen is waking up to do her next big photo shoot and sees.

01:26:18.160 What? OK, so you could have saved the marriage a year ago when I begged you to do this and you

01:26:24.240 refused and you decided for 300 plus days it would be worth it to lose me, cause all this heartache to

01:26:31.680 our children blow up our beautiful life for what? For one season. I mean, just the insult. And even

01:26:39.080 if that if that is what actually happened, that what a middle finger like that isn't a good marriage.

01:26:44.120 That is somebody who's not actually connected and in love and, you know, intimately involved in the

01:26:49.080 way you would expect and want your spouse to be. Yes, they agree. Yeah. And I have to wonder,

01:26:54.060 I have to wonder, like a colleague said this to me and it did make me start wondering,

01:26:59.220 like whether there was a level of resentment in that actually she had the bigger career,

01:27:03.640 you know, when the two met and she tabled that. And I have to think that, you know,

01:27:08.940 when she was pushing him to retire, that there had to have been some resentment between the two of

01:27:13.660 them about how to balance these things. She really did take that off the table. But she actually,

01:27:20.860 I think, is the one who over the years has brought in more money, was the bigger celebrity,

01:27:25.720 a global celebrity, had the bigger career and put that on the back burner.

01:27:31.300 Man alive. What it's. But like, that's a real that's a real, real power couple. And and I have

01:27:38.040 to say, like, two incredibly genetically blessed people, both the beauty and the athleticism. And

01:27:45.960 and they both seem like nice people. I mean, that's the other thing. They don't seem like absolute

01:27:49.380 jerks. So it's well, we'll see what happens. OK, maybe Tom Brady's next act. I've got it for him.

01:27:56.460 If he's thinking like it's just going to be sports announcing Fox News gave him hundreds of millions

01:27:59.940 of dollars, I think, to go do Fox Sports commentating. If he decides that he still

01:28:04.960 wants to stay in the athletic game. I got it. I got the solution because you can be a biological male

01:28:10.400 swimming or skating in the female ice skating competitions. Now it happened over in Finland.

01:28:17.220 And in this trans woman's defense, this was a lifelong dream to be a twirly ice skating

01:28:25.300 sensation. And it happened. They made it happen for this trans woman, biological male living his

01:28:32.160 life as a woman. And here is how that went for the listening audience. This is a biological man

01:28:38.980 dressed in one of the women's little dresses. He's doing like the skate where you've got the one

01:28:42.600 leg out behind you. It's very clearly a man and not a woman, but trying to look like a woman.

01:28:47.220 He's not a great skater. It looks like me trying. Did a turn. That was actually kind of decent.

01:28:53.120 Oh, stumble. Oh, he's down. He's down. He's all the way down. It took about three seconds for him

01:28:57.580 to go down. And now, you know, you got to get back up, get back up. It's a saying. Get back up.

01:29:01.700 No, no. Here come the other ladies with their flags. This is an international competition.

01:29:08.100 This is this. I think this is Finland coming over there to help him back on his feet. He can't get up

01:29:12.380 unless the actual woman comes over to help him out. It's a disaster. Why are we doing this again?

01:29:18.440 Why is this important to do? So someone sent me this video a couple of days ago and I expected to

01:29:24.960 just be in like uproarious laughter. And then when I watched it, I was not to sound like too emotional

01:29:32.100 or woo-woo here, but I'm watching this man who clearly is sort of desperate to be a woman,

01:29:37.300 to feel like a woman. Like this is, it feels like a very high stakes moment for him. You sort of see

01:29:42.360 it on the person's face. He really wants this, says it's a lifelong dream to be a princess

01:29:47.120 and falls and it's a disaster. And it's just like, it's so sad to me that we live in a society that's

01:29:54.500 enabling this, that is worsening people's suffering, that's encouraging them.

01:29:58.680 And think of how many different cases that this is happening on smaller scales. Think of this

01:30:03.460 happening with children, teenagers, people who are really suffering from dysphoria. That is a very

01:30:08.860 real condition or other conditions. And this is what we encourage from them. This is what we want

01:30:14.920 to see as a society that we tell them they should be doing is putting themselves in front of the world

01:30:19.300 for just abject embarrassment. To me, it was just like such a sad, sad video to watch.

01:30:26.580 God, you're so right. That's exactly right. Because they say it's the Finnish figure skating

01:30:30.600 association looking to promote diversity, equality, and inclusion at the European figure skating

01:30:36.100 competition, which is held in Finland every year. This is the competition for the best skaters in

01:30:41.000 Europe. So that's what they were all doing there. And why can't we just make it about women? I'm sorry,

01:30:45.360 but can't we just make it about actual women skating their best, these elite athletes doing their thing

01:30:50.080 and not have these sad moments where we pick a farmer who started skating eight years ago in

01:30:55.960 their fifties or late forties and put them out there to sort of steal the spotlight, become the

01:31:00.880 story, embarrass themselves, embarrass the competition. Like who feels empowered by this, Eliana?

01:31:07.080 Yeah. I mean, watching that is sad. Um, that person really didn't obviously belong on that ice. Um,

01:31:16.120 not a good skater. And, um, it's too, uh, I agree with Emily, like we should not be encouraging this.

01:31:24.620 Um, and it's hard for me to think that that event was actually a productive or positive experience in

01:31:31.880 the end for that person. Not for nothing, but this person, I guess, went out there and dressed

01:31:39.220 and skated as a geisha in 2020 at a different competition. Um, they painted their face white,

01:31:47.760 dressed in a kimono and skated to traditional Japanese music. We actually have a little bit of

01:31:53.100 that too. My crack producing team has found all of this person's. This is not very intersectional.

01:32:00.480 God, if you're not watching this on YouTube audience, you must. Wait, we need to watch this

01:32:06.500 for a minute.

01:32:17.140 Oh, the skating's better there. Okay. The skating's a little better there. However, um, there is a,

01:32:25.400 there is a question about cultural appropriation gals, because not only is he, is he sort of in,

01:32:30.480 woman face as Carrie Brejean says, she's not big on the men entering women's spaces dressed as women.

01:32:36.660 Um, he's in white face as a geisha. He's not Asian. And, uh, the, I guess he can get away with

01:32:44.240 it. You're allowed to do this. If you're a trans woman, like if you're trans, they'll let you get

01:32:47.540 away with anything. I will say the skating looked a lot better as the geisha like that. Maybe that's

01:32:51.840 a secret power. That's not, not clear to me why, uh, this couldn't have, that person couldn't

01:32:58.580 have performed in the men's competition. Yes. That's a good point. Agreed. There's no, there's

01:33:02.860 absolutely no point of it whatsoever. And dressed, you know, dressed however he wanted in the men's

01:33:08.420 competition. And that would be the end of that. I know, honestly, like this was a disaster and

01:33:14.600 more of these things are going to be disasters because I'm sure he does want to be a princess,

01:33:18.760 but he cannot because he's a biological male and he's not Royal. And the solution to his problem

01:33:25.220 is for him to get the help that he so desperately needs not to put him on the ice and watch him fall

01:33:30.580 in front of a world audience. More people should take a lesson on all of that. All right. Emily

01:33:35.680 Jashinsky, Eliana Johnson, a pleasure as always. Thank you so much for being here. Uh, to be continued.

01:33:41.520 Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show. No BS, no agenda and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - February 01, 2023

How Media Sparked Pelosi Conspiracy Theories, and Tom Brady Retires, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson ｜ Ep. 484

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