The Megyn Kelly Show - Hunter Biden's Criminal Trial Begins, and Media Celebrates Trump Verdict, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson

00:00:00.640 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:11.700 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live from Sirius XM headquarters in New York City.

00:00:17.980 And happy Monday. Well, it's legal election season. I wonder if this is going to be our four-year tradition.

00:00:23.660 We have an election and we have a few trials of all the people who are actually running for office or their families.

00:00:28.120 This will be great for me because this is right in my wheelhouse, but I'm not sure how great it is for America.

00:00:33.500 We are getting ready now to watch Hunter Biden get a taste of the Trump treatment as he goes on trial for his felony gun charge.

00:00:43.760 And we will see how the Democrats and the media will spin the convicted felon talking point after the former president received a guilty verdict late last week.

00:00:52.960 I mean, they keep saying like 34 times or a 34-time felon.

00:00:57.400 It's so dishonest, like all the coverage about this, right? It's like he was convicted of one crime.

00:01:02.480 It was a made-up crime. It was literally a made-up crime.

00:01:05.060 And now they're going to keep referring to him like he was Osama bin Laden.

00:01:09.000 So good luck navigating the media coverage on that.

00:01:11.440 As Hunter Biden's trial begins in Delaware today in a federal court there, President Biden is in Wilmington.

00:01:18.880 He's there to support his son, who the media would like us to remember he loves.

00:01:25.200 He loves and doesn't judge.

00:01:27.720 It's Hunter Biden's turn and we're kind of interested to see what happens there.

00:01:31.540 With me today to discuss it all, the EJs, Eliana Johnson is editor of the Washington Free Beacon and co-host of the Ink Stained Wretches podcast.

00:01:42.000 And Emily Jashinsky has a new job.

00:01:45.060 She is now the DC correspondent at UnHerd.

00:01:48.440 That's H-E-R-D.

00:01:52.200 Ladies, so good to see you in person.

00:01:53.800 Great to see you.

00:01:54.280 Thanks for having us.

00:01:54.900 It was so fun.

00:01:55.820 Got the party together.

00:01:56.720 Yes.

00:01:57.300 We're not drinking alcohol.

00:01:58.740 We have Diet Coke, but...

00:02:00.640 Do you notice we're kind of color-coordinated?

00:02:03.260 Look at us.

00:02:03.660 Mind-melting.

00:02:04.080 In our neutrals.

00:02:05.260 Right?

00:02:05.580 It's great.

00:02:05.960 I know.

00:02:06.340 We're so cute.

00:02:08.320 All right.

00:02:08.960 So let's start by talking about Hunter Biden, because I do think this is very interesting.

00:02:12.400 Now the president's son goes on this felony trial.

00:02:15.980 This is just the first of two.

00:02:17.160 The second will take place in September, and it's the more serious, I think, tax charges,

00:02:21.520 though not the most serious ones that could have been brought against him,

00:02:23.940 because this so-called special counsel, David Weiss, who's the weirdest special counsel ever,

00:02:28.980 he's really more on Hunter's side than he is on the government's, let the statute of limitations

00:02:33.380 expire.

00:02:34.080 Anyway, now we go on these gun charges.

00:02:36.420 There are three felonies that accuse him of lying to get the gun in the first two charges,

00:02:40.660 and then actually illegally possessing the gun in the third charge.

00:02:44.920 And I wonder what you think about the fact that it's a Delaware jury, now it's federal court,

00:02:51.900 but the Bidens are beloved there, right?

00:02:54.880 I mean, they're just rock stars throughout the tiny state of Delaware.

00:02:59.020 And it's a Trump-appointed U.S. attorney acting as special counsel, but this guy is completely

00:03:07.520 Delaware and Biden-friendly.

00:03:10.520 And Hunter Biden's going to get a jury of all Delawareans, right?

00:03:15.320 Which is good for him, unlike Trump getting a whole jury of New Yorkers.

00:03:18.560 So how do you see this case as we kick it off today with jury selection?

00:03:21.260 You know, it's different from the Trump case in that the gun crime is really cut and dry.

00:03:28.000 It's clear he did it.

00:03:30.040 I thought you were going to say it is real.

00:03:32.520 That's true.

00:03:34.460 You know, I think for Trump, the matter of the jury, he had a hostile jury, and the jury pool

00:03:41.800 was important because the crime was difficult to understand.

00:03:46.140 A lot of it was a matter of interpretation.

00:03:48.300 Having a hostile jury hurt him, and that is probably what that hinged on.

00:03:53.280 The Hunter Biden gun crime, I'm not sure.

00:03:56.060 Like, the jury would have to be really favorably disposed to Hunter Biden because this is a clear-cut

00:04:03.760 crime.

00:04:05.000 Everyone knows he did it.

00:04:06.560 He's guilty.

00:04:06.940 And what they're saying now, we'll hear his defense, that he's going to, we expect, take

00:04:13.760 issue with the form, which reads, are you a drug user, an illegal drug user, or an addict?

00:04:22.520 And that he may try to argue, at the moment I filled out that form, I had gone to rehab.

00:04:28.960 And so for that two-hour period, I was not either of those things.

00:04:36.640 Worst two hours of his life.

00:04:37.760 It's going to be hard for him to contend with the contemporaneous messages from his, I guess

00:04:44.880 it's not a mistress, but his sister-in-law, who he was sleeping with, Beau Biden's widow,

00:04:51.340 who was sending him messages while she had taken the gun and disposed of it behind a supermarket,

00:04:57.540 an upscale supermarket somewhere, and said, this is dangerous.

00:05:00.640 I'm concerned.

00:05:01.540 You're on drugs.

00:05:02.400 You need to check yourself in.

00:05:03.580 And she will be called as a witness, as will his ex-wife, Kathleen Buell, to speak to his

00:05:09.620 state of mind at the time.

00:05:11.180 It's pretty hard to contend with those emails, the text messages, I guess.

00:05:14.820 I resumed the use right after filling out the form.

00:05:19.720 That's what caused her concern.

00:05:21.620 But there's just no way a jury's going to buy any of this.

00:05:23.300 No, you're going to need the most gullible jury on the face of the earth.

00:05:26.860 Or politically motivated.

00:05:28.440 And it's true.

00:05:28.920 I totally agree with you.

00:05:29.840 Like, David Weiss is technically a Trump-appointed prosecutor.

00:05:33.720 But my understanding from talking to, you know, our same people, like our friends who

00:05:38.140 understand this, is that he is a Republican, you know, in the loosest sense of the term.

00:05:44.480 But only somebody Biden-friendly would have been approved of by Delaware senators.

00:05:49.820 He seems more like a Democrat in Republican clothing.

00:05:52.060 Yeah.

00:05:52.340 Well, I am really interested in how they're able to muddy the waters, because some of the

00:05:55.400 reporting to the conversation we were just having is that Avi Lowell, I mean, the Hunter

00:06:00.500 Biden has a great legal team.

00:06:01.860 Yeah.

00:06:02.320 They're going to try to talk about addiction issues from the reporting that we know.

00:06:06.020 Addiction issues, they're trying to play the sympathy card, the emotion card, the president

00:06:10.080 himself, as you mentioned earlier, Megan, coming out and saying what he's going to say

00:06:13.700 with a Delaware jury.

00:06:15.440 I don't know.

00:06:15.800 I actually feel like there might be a chance you can muddy the waters pretty well with that.

00:06:18.820 Unfortunately, I think you're right.

00:06:19.960 I mean, I think what Eliana said is true.

00:06:21.560 He's guilty.

00:06:22.140 That seems obvious.

00:06:22.840 We'll listen to the defense, but on paper, if this is what he's going to argue, didn't

00:06:27.000 technically fall within those definitions, he's toast or should be.

00:06:30.820 But we're kind of looking at a similar situation to the one Trump faced in that if politics

00:06:37.480 drives the verdict, he actually could get acquitted, right, even though he should be convicted.

00:06:43.120 Anything's possible, but I think we should talk about one other difference that is, I think,

00:06:48.220 interesting to watch is that the judge in the Trump case was a partisan Biden donor and

00:06:54.500 did a lot to make that trial friendly to the prosecution.

00:06:58.380 The judge in this case was the one who would not sign off on the plea deal.

00:07:03.660 She is taking, pardon my language, she is taking no shit from the prosecution.

00:07:08.200 And Abby Lowell is a skill, both a skilled defense attorney and skilled in spinning this.

00:07:13.500 He's skilled in the DC PR wars, and I don't think he's done very well.

00:07:18.860 People are not being spun by what these charges are, but this judge is not having it.

00:07:23.980 I know.

00:07:24.740 I love her.

00:07:25.360 She's the one who caught them.

00:07:26.060 Mary Ellen Norica.

00:07:26.660 Norica, right.

00:07:27.720 She caught Hunter Biden.

00:07:29.320 She's the one who caught Hunter Biden.

00:07:30.660 And David Weiss, Hunter's prosecutor, working together to let all of this go for a misdemeanor

00:07:35.980 charge and bury all of it.

00:07:38.060 The tax charges, the most serious, anything having to do with his burisma deal.

00:07:43.420 That's how the original plea deal was written.

00:07:45.820 And she was the one who was like, wait, what's in here?

00:07:48.800 What is, why, why am I agreeing to this?

00:07:51.380 And she caught them red-handed.

00:07:52.840 So I like the judge, but it's a weird situation where only the judge wants it to be like a fair

00:07:59.320 trial for the prosecution.

00:08:01.480 It is hard to take this trial seriously with Weiss, like as the prosecution after that.

00:08:06.520 I mean, the media has not talked about this at all, basically.

00:08:09.140 There was some decent reporting while it happened, but this should be a huge part of the narrative.

00:08:13.080 I had actually even forgotten about it.

00:08:14.640 It wasn't even front of mind for me that the judge had to do that last summer because it

00:08:18.440 just slipped into the background of the whole conversation.

00:08:20.600 But that's a huge theme of this trial.

00:08:23.180 They tried to pull a fast one on her and she was like, oh no, I see what you did.

00:08:26.480 She said, I will not be a rubber stamp were her words.

00:08:28.380 I'm not rubber stamping this.

00:08:29.680 She already excluded the expert witness that Hunter tried to get in through his lawyer,

00:08:35.640 Abby Lowell, who was, to your point, Eliana, like an addiction specialist.

00:08:40.680 Who's going to what?

00:08:41.620 Walk us through?

00:08:42.160 I mean, who hasn't known an addict?

00:08:44.780 Who, I mean, most of us have known an addict or had an addict in the family.

00:08:47.920 That's just how pervasive this problem is.

00:08:50.440 And virtually none of them go out and buy a gun that's illegal and lie on the forms to get it.

00:08:56.480 Like, that's not a thing that is caused by addiction, like the need to have a gun,

00:09:00.400 buy a gun and lie on the form.

00:09:01.920 So you can't blame this on-

00:09:03.380 When their father's about to run for president.

00:09:05.340 Yes.

00:09:05.600 And there are serious risks.

00:09:08.080 You're putting your family members at serious reputational and physical risk.

00:09:12.560 That is what Holly Biden was saying.

00:09:14.200 That's right.

00:09:14.500 Like, I'm afraid.

00:09:15.240 And his response in those text messages was-

00:09:17.520 Screw you.

00:09:18.260 And also Beau Biden, her recently demised husband, well, he had a gun in his glove box.

00:09:24.680 It's like, well, he was the attorney general of Delaware and not a drug addict.

00:09:27.820 Right.

00:09:27.960 Like, you're in a totally different field.

00:09:29.560 But he admits.

00:09:30.640 He doesn't say I didn't have it.

00:09:32.120 Like, all the admissions are in these texts.

00:09:34.100 And in his book, Emily, where he wrote extensively about his drug use, including right around this time.

00:09:40.120 Right.

00:09:40.400 It's right around this time.

00:09:41.420 Although I can still see them trying to wiggle out of it legally because it wasn't the two hours that he filmed out the form or whatever.

00:09:47.000 But actually, the point that Holly Biden is a witness-

00:09:50.240 Look at the picture my team has put up.

00:09:51.860 That's him with his crack pipe.

00:09:53.140 Although now he says it wasn't a crack pipe.

00:09:55.360 It's just a pipe.

00:09:55.780 It was some other.

00:09:57.160 What kind of pipe is that?

00:09:58.120 I don't know.

00:09:58.440 Oh, boy.

00:09:59.000 It was a meth pipe.

00:10:00.300 And I didn't do meth.

00:10:01.660 That's going to be his-

00:10:02.520 Oh, it was a meth pipe?

00:10:02.940 He was posing.

00:10:04.220 I told my audience, my old pal Kelly McGinnis and I, we were thick as thieves in high school.

00:10:09.560 And we went out.

00:10:10.420 We had a bunch of people over.

00:10:11.480 Anyway, like a couple of morons, we took pictures of all the teenagers in our house drinking, like, wine coolers and beer.

00:10:17.640 And then we left the pictures on the counter like a couple of numbskulls.

00:10:21.300 Anyway.

00:10:22.080 I thought you were going to be like, well, we just had a crazy night.

00:10:24.080 We did some meth.

00:10:25.560 My friend Kelly was like, do you think we could tell your mom?

00:10:29.020 Because she found a picture that we were just posing with funny beer pictures.

00:10:32.400 Now, that's what Hunter Biden's going to argue.

00:10:34.500 It was a funny-

00:10:35.580 We were just posing with the funny meth pipe with my eyes closed.

00:10:39.660 Totally separate to everything.

00:10:42.080 But, you know, one of our great reporters at Beacon made this comment that Hunter has a bizarre predilection to photograph every moment of his life.

00:10:54.980 Like, why do these photographs exist?

00:10:56.720 It's really strange.

00:10:59.120 And we haven't even gotten to this child support case.

00:11:01.740 I mean, this man is not an upstanding citizen.

00:11:05.200 It's a good point, though.

00:11:05.840 He's like a Kardashian in that way.

00:11:07.780 Like, he never- I don't think he's ever taken his penis out of his pants without turning on the camera.

00:11:13.300 He's really proud of it.

00:11:14.400 And you know what?

00:11:15.160 It shouldn't be.

00:11:15.800 But anyway, I digress.

00:11:17.940 But seriously, he loves taking pictures of himself, himself with young girls, himself with the crack pipe, the meth pipe.

00:11:23.080 You name the pipe.

00:11:23.980 It's so exhibitionistic.

00:11:25.680 The gun?

00:11:25.900 Yeah.

00:11:26.380 Let's not even talk about it.

00:11:27.160 Like, there's no question he had the gun.

00:11:28.600 Um, and so then the whole affair with the ex-wife, not the ex-wife, the widow, the widow of Beau Biden, I will tell you that is like the one piece of this whole story that makes me feel some sympathy for those involved.

00:11:41.500 Because it's like, I think everybody involved loved Beau Biden.

00:11:45.060 And I think Beau Biden might have been the best Biden.

00:11:47.420 I think we lost the best Biden there was.

00:11:49.020 And, um, that to me seems like an obvious expression of grief by his widow.

00:11:54.400 You know, like she was obviously very lonely and sad and somehow, you know, Hunter Biden meanders over in his drug induced haze.

00:12:01.640 And I, I just feel bad for her because she got sucked into this relationship with the worst Biden, arguably.

00:12:08.260 And, uh.

00:12:08.660 Well, actually there are a lot of options.

00:12:10.420 And then next thing you know, she's having to call the FBI on him, which is what happened.

00:12:14.040 She found the gun.

00:12:15.060 She disposed of it near this school, but everybody leads with that.

00:12:18.120 But I don't think she was trying to get a child in danger.

00:12:20.320 She was trying to get rid of the gun.

00:12:21.260 She called the FBI, told them where she put it.

00:12:23.080 They found it.

00:12:24.420 And he, he went off on her.

00:12:26.180 He was so angry with her that she sold him out to the feds.

00:12:30.340 And never did, did he say, I didn't do any of this.

00:12:32.620 I'm not guilty.

00:12:33.440 He was just like, you effed me.

00:12:35.020 Nice family.

00:12:36.560 Lovely people.

00:12:37.980 So tell us about the child support.

00:12:40.080 He's, turns out he's even more of a derelict than we knew.

00:12:44.020 Right.

00:12:44.340 The child support case is something that we learned through a report in Axios over the

00:12:49.660 weekend has been playing out in the background over the past several years.

00:12:53.400 And we knew that during the time that Hunter was drug addled and yet apparently selling his

00:13:00.360 public relations and legal services for millions of dollars to foreign clients, he owed upwards

00:13:08.360 of $30,000 a month in alimony to his ex-wife, Kathleen Buell.

00:13:13.940 And I believe I'm right when I say only paid it once since 2017.

00:13:20.420 I may not have, be totally accurate on that.

00:13:23.880 So check me.

00:13:24.680 This is what-

00:13:25.300 But he owes her upwards of $2 million.

00:13:26.980 Citing that reporting, Jim Garrity National Review says as follows, in January 2021, just

00:13:33.960 after Biden's inauguration, a DC court found Hunter was in breach of his divorce agreement

00:13:39.400 and old Kathleen Buell, more than $1.7 million in spousal support, legal fees, and interest

00:13:44.880 since their 2017 divorce.

00:13:46.640 The divorce agreement called for Hunter to pay Buell $37,000 a month, plus 50% of anything

00:13:52.640 he made over $875,000 annually.

00:13:55.920 I mean, this guy's raking into-

00:13:56.960 So now it's almost upwards of $2.6 million, I think.

00:14:00.660 He did not pay the additional spousal support he owed in 17 and 18 when he earned $2.4 million

00:14:08.480 and $2.1 million, respectively, according to the court documents.

00:14:12.840 As a result, the court determined he owed Buell $1.1 million plus 6% interest for 17 and 18.

00:14:18.940 He also largely stopped paying her monthly alimony after she filed her lawsuit in June

00:14:23.060 of 19, adding to his unpaid debts.

00:14:27.080 I mean, he's just a loser, this guy.

00:14:30.740 And yet all you hear from the press is drug, drug-addled.

00:14:35.000 What drug-addled loser is pulling in $2.1 million?

00:14:38.840 Like, there's something nefarious afoot, but he's not using any of that money to support

00:14:43.920 his family, his wife.

00:14:45.360 According to these papers, it's all going up his nose, and that's why he's in trouble.

00:14:48.660 These children's grandfather is enabling it, basically, by being roped, allowing himself

00:14:53.780 willfully being roped into the lobbying scheme, because Hunter Biden is selling his father's

00:14:58.040 name.

00:14:58.320 That much is clear, abundantly clear.

00:15:00.060 We have the laptop now, but even then, it was clear without the laptop.

00:15:03.500 We already knew this.

00:15:04.320 He was basically flying, he flew on Air Force Two to China.

00:15:09.880 Right.

00:15:10.260 Right.

00:15:10.580 I mean, like, well, Joe Biden was vice president, and then afterwards continued to sell the family

00:15:14.960 name for policy consequences in the United States and abroad, but basically from his insight

00:15:22.060 or his influence over American politics.

00:15:24.620 So that Joe Biden allowed himself to be willfully brought into that scheme in which his son is

00:15:29.880 making lots of money and not using that money to support his own family is, I mean, shameful.

00:15:36.340 So now we've got President Biden going to Wilmington and actually making a statement like, well,

00:15:41.060 on the eve of this trial, I just want to say that I love my son.

00:15:45.660 And it's more of that.

00:15:47.480 But can I tell you, it's still inappropriate.

00:15:49.460 It's not appropriate for the sitting president of the United States to be commenting on any sort

00:15:54.220 of a criminal.

00:15:54.680 I said this last week when he commented on Trump.

00:15:56.640 Stay out of it.

00:15:58.380 Stop it some way or shape or form.

00:16:00.780 You're influencing things.

00:16:02.020 The Trump case still has to go up on appeal.

00:16:04.220 Your son's case is in the process of jury selection.

00:16:06.920 So be quiet.

00:16:08.820 Shut up.

00:16:09.900 Pipe down.

00:16:10.620 You don't have to comment on everything.

00:16:12.000 It's a clear attempt to influence those Delawareans who love the family Biden.

00:16:17.760 I will say from from that vantage point, Biden is playing it politically well.

00:16:24.920 Like the best thing he can do is a play for sympathy.

00:16:28.840 And I do think it would behoove him to say.

00:16:33.220 My son did not act properly or appropriately.

00:16:36.660 He can't do that because it would be an admission of guilt.

00:16:38.760 But I do think it would get him some respect with the American people.

00:16:42.800 And it would be the right thing to do when some of this comes down.

00:16:46.780 But the play for sympathy is obviously what they're going for.

00:16:50.880 There was an article in The New York Times and an article in The Washington Post this weekend that not only is he not distancing himself from his son during this, he is bringing him closer.

00:17:00.160 They were seen biking in Rehoboth Beach together over the weekend.

00:17:04.020 And that's obvious.

00:17:04.740 And Hunter Biden attended a state dinner for Kenya maybe two weeks ago where Merrick Garland was also in attendance.

00:17:13.700 And so the man essentially prosecuting him.

00:17:15.940 Yeah.

00:17:16.220 The optics of this are not appropriate.

00:17:18.540 No, you're completely right.

00:17:19.460 So this New York Times article she mentions, Emily, I'll give you a couple of lines from it.

00:17:23.880 President Biden wakes up every day to a list of concerns he must address as commander in chief.

00:17:28.640 But at the top of that list, people who know him say, is a concern that nags at him as a father, the legal problems of his son, Hunter Biden.

00:17:39.500 Mr. Biden has refused to shut out his son or treat him as a political liability.

00:17:44.580 In fact, the president has a tendency to pull his son closer.

00:17:49.020 The worst things seem to get.

00:17:51.880 And on and on it goes.

00:17:53.260 I don't remember a single article like this about how much Trump has to manage and the stresses of the trial on him and how, nonetheless, he's running this multimillion dollar business and running for president and holding his family close while he navigates these tricky waters.

00:18:09.260 You know, what's interesting about that is it's the media regurgitating the exact line of argumentation from the Biden family.

00:18:16.880 Yes. So it's not as though they're like being a little bit skeptical of it, like, wow, this was a pretty messed up foreign lobbying scheme where he was making all this money and then doing all this drugs and blah, blah, blah.

00:18:25.820 No, they're just straight up taking the Biden administration's side, the Biden family's side, like no skepticism, no nuance.

00:18:32.420 Just this is really tough.

00:18:33.540 And beyond that, there may be some truth to this.

00:18:36.960 OK, maybe Biden is upset, but the guy is also running for reelection and everything should be viewed through a political lens.

00:18:43.500 And I have not seen any coverage about the political tactic of playing for sympathy because they're in on it.

00:18:51.100 That is part of this as well.

00:18:52.660 Yeah. They don't they have no desire to call attention to that.

00:18:54.760 And frankly, President Trump does a different version of that where he says, I'm a victim.

00:19:00.200 I'm being persecuted. And that's his version of that.

00:19:02.720 That is always covered as a political tactic.

00:19:05.360 Yeah, that's right.

00:19:05.820 What Biden is doing is not covered as the same sort of playing politics.

00:19:09.580 We've we've seen Politico drop an article on these two judges who are going to be covering handling this case.

00:19:16.860 And then the one that's coming up in September pointing out that they're very tricky because they both have a background in patent law,

00:19:26.640 which is very sneaky because it makes it tough for the Senate Judiciary Committee to reject them when they come up for nomination.

00:19:35.160 Because patent law is so boring, no one can figure out what your political bias is.

00:19:39.940 They just know you were appointed by Donald Trump.

00:19:41.800 It sucks.

00:19:42.760 That's really what Politico is arguing here.

00:19:44.720 They're pissed off that both of these judges are Trump appointees and that they got on because of their fucking background in patent law.

00:19:52.740 Sorry.

00:19:53.900 I think this is much more funny to somebody who's gone through law school.

00:19:56.820 So is this Cannon and Norica or is it?

00:20:00.420 It's Norica and the other one is Scarsie, who's going to handle the September trial on the tax charges.

00:20:07.520 Slippery patent lawyers.

00:20:08.680 I know.

00:20:09.320 Such an unfortunate draw for Hunter.

00:20:11.920 But honestly, like this is frankly what we needed in the Trump trial.

00:20:15.500 At least one sane person who wasn't a partisan hack.

00:20:19.460 Right.

00:20:20.040 If the judge had been at least somewhat fair or, you know, God forbid, even a Republican who wasn't a never Trump Republican,

00:20:28.180 people could have had maybe slightly more faith that the process itself was going as according to plan.

00:20:33.340 Sometimes you get a rabid prosecutor, but the system's supposed to slow down the rabid train because we have protections in place.

00:20:40.320 But this judge was complicit in allowing Alvin Bragg to do everything he wanted to Donald Trump in a way that really undermined people's belief in the rule of law.

00:20:50.780 The other thing was, let's see.

00:20:53.360 Oh, yeah.

00:20:54.340 The judge, Norica, she also blocked a key piece of evidence that the defense wanted to use about the gun forms, which honestly was like the stupidest piece.

00:21:07.120 Because apparently when Hunter Biden filled out the application for the gun form, he needed proof of ID.

00:21:13.780 So he showed a passport.

00:21:14.840 So they wrote that down on the form.

00:21:16.880 And then months later, when the ATF started sniffing around after the gun had been retrieved, you know, the ex, the widow had called, all the things.

00:21:24.740 They added a piece about his, like a second form, his driver's license.

00:21:29.300 Just to show that they got two forms of ID, I guess.

00:21:31.900 Hunter Biden's team is trying to make this big deal out of that.

00:21:34.100 Like, aha, aha, you see, they messed with the form that is at the very heart of this case.

00:21:39.980 It's not an honest representation of the drug form.

00:21:44.180 And listen to what Norica ruled.

00:21:45.960 This is what we needed in the Trump case.

00:21:47.960 She ruled as follows.

00:21:49.800 I'm not admitting that altered version of the form because it is, quote, irrelevant and inadmissible.

00:21:55.600 And she went on to blast Hunter Biden's team for pushing it, calling this a conspiratorial theory and saying it is, quote, unsupported rhetoric about the motivations of the Wilmington gun store employees and says as follows.

00:22:10.280 This is the line we needed in the Trump case over and over, quote, any probative value it arguably has is substantially outweighed by a danger of unfair prejudice, confusion of issues and misleading the jury.

00:22:26.760 It's not hard.

00:22:27.680 It's done all the time by federal and state court judges.

00:22:30.500 It just didn't happen in the Trump case on any of those controversial admissions.

00:22:34.640 That would have been the line about the stormy testimony, I think, the lurid sexual details.

00:22:39.660 The non-prosecution agreement between Pecker and the feds or AMI and the feds, Michael Cohen's guilty plea on the election charges, federal election violation.

00:22:48.040 None of that.

00:22:48.620 You can say that same thing.

00:22:50.600 Any probative value it arguably has is substantially outweighed by a danger of unfair prejudice, confusion of issues and misleading the jury.

00:22:57.940 This is an objection you learn your first year of law school.

00:23:00.440 You do it over and over again in moot court, never mind real court.

00:23:03.840 Every lawyer knows it's available.

00:23:06.100 Every judge knows it's one of the most important tests they have to weigh, not whether it's prejudicial.

00:23:11.060 Everything that comes in against a defendant is prejudicial, prejudicial, unfairly prejudicial or so prejudicial that the prejudice outweighs its probative value.

00:23:20.440 Judge Mershon refused to do that analysis at all in most cases and certainly not in Trump's favor.

00:23:26.920 And then at one point, well, when he allowed Stormy's testimony, he then chastised the defense for saying, you should have challenged this testimony after he had rejected their challenge for allowing the testimony.

00:23:40.760 Like, it was wild.

00:23:41.800 Eliana, it's so bad because what happened with Stormy's testimony is the defense went up to the bench before she took the stand and said, we don't think this is relevant.

00:23:48.460 We think it's highly unfairly prejudicial.

00:23:51.500 They were questioning the probative value of Stormy's testimony.

00:23:53.920 There you go.

00:23:54.720 Thank you, Emily.

00:23:55.440 See, you did go to law school right here.

00:23:56.840 I just put you through it.

00:23:57.560 I'm just hanging out.

00:23:59.160 So they went up there and said, this should not be allowed.

00:24:01.980 And the prosecution said, will you open the door by saying he didn't have the affair on opening statement?

00:24:05.600 Okay, fine.

00:24:06.120 That is something they shouldn't have done.

00:24:07.740 So now she's coming in.

00:24:08.740 But then they said, well, you should limit the testimony severely.

00:24:11.180 Did she have the affair?

00:24:12.760 And the judge was giving them a long leash to question Stormy.

00:24:17.480 So they had already lost, like the judge wasn't like, all right, you can ask her the following five questions and that's it.

00:24:24.560 The judge was like, go for it.

00:24:26.020 So having lost, the defense sat down and like many defense attorneys didn't want to look to the jury like, this is killing us.

00:24:34.260 This is terrible for us.

00:24:35.420 By continuously popping up, object, object, object, object on every single question.

00:24:40.980 And then it got out of control.

00:24:42.700 And the judge blamed the fact that it got out of control of the defense.

00:24:47.100 That's just one example.

00:24:48.320 But it's amazing because the media, like I read multiple media reports that said Mershon made multiple accommodations to Donald Trump.

00:24:54.260 That he was just accommodating Trump left and right.

00:24:57.000 He let him have a TV room, a TV while he was in the waiting room.

00:25:00.740 So he did everything.

00:25:01.900 He bent over backwards to accommodate Donald Trump.

00:25:04.000 That is ridiculous.

00:25:05.000 I know I was arguing with Dan Abrams on News Nation and he was like, he didn't let in the Access Hollywood tape.

00:25:10.540 I'm like, okay, literally there would have been a mistrial that minute.

00:25:15.200 But he did let in the transcript of the Access Hollywood tape, which why was that in there?

00:25:20.340 That did not belong at all in this trial.

00:25:22.640 And you should have seen the things that he was going to let the prosecution cross-examine Trump on if Trump took the stand.

00:25:28.940 Like in the Harvey Weinstein case, it effectively prohibited Trump from taking the stand.

00:25:32.580 There was so much extraneous stuff from things having nothing to do with this case that as an effective matter, Trump could not take the stand.

00:25:40.020 And he didn't take the stand, as you know.

00:25:41.660 All right.

00:25:42.060 So that's Hunter Biden.

00:25:42.880 We will continue to watch it.

00:25:45.600 Anthony Fauci, everyone's favorite villain or superhero.

00:25:48.980 I don't think there are a lot of us who see him as in between, is back on the stand now in front of a House committee that's probing how he handled COVID, but really his dishonesty in responding to congressional inquiries over the past few years.

00:26:05.360 A couple of headlines out of it were, have been, number one, because we've seen correspondents leading up to it, but today's the hearing.

00:26:11.920 One, Fauci admits there's nothing behind the six feet.

00:26:15.980 Nothing.

00:26:16.820 They had no idea.

00:26:18.700 He doesn't know where that came from.

00:26:20.260 He's not the first one from NIH to say this, but it's interesting to hear him admit it.

00:26:23.880 No clue.

00:26:24.500 It was made up.

00:26:26.240 Shocked.

00:26:26.840 Shocked.

00:26:27.760 Secondly, could not remember what, if any, evidence was behind school mask mandates.

00:26:34.020 I don't think there's been any studies that, you know, that we base that on.

00:26:37.360 I don't know.

00:26:38.460 No, no.

00:26:39.240 Can't remember.

00:26:40.840 By the way, Thatcher Brunt was right.

00:26:42.660 My son, who stood up in second grade and like Norma Rae, refused to go along.

00:26:48.160 Like, I'm not wearing it.

00:26:49.900 He's a dead poet society.

00:26:51.240 He's like on the desk.

00:26:51.800 That's what happened.

00:26:52.780 He took it off.

00:26:53.720 Amazing.

00:26:53.920 And the teacher said, you have to wear it.

00:26:55.860 And he said, the CDC did a study of 90,000 children in Georgia.

00:26:59.900 And it proved that masks do nothing.

00:27:02.080 And then she sent him to the principal's office.

00:27:04.260 That's where we got involved.

00:27:05.520 Anywho.

00:27:06.160 Vindicated.

00:27:06.940 So here's the biggest thing on Fauci, though.

00:27:08.880 This is interesting.

00:27:10.340 In the lead up, I'm going to set it up.

00:27:13.180 I think we have the sound, don't we guys?

00:27:15.300 All my sound bites are everywhere.

00:27:18.280 I don't know.

00:27:19.000 My team will tell me whether we have the Fauci sound.

00:27:22.280 There's a guy named Dr. David Moritz.

00:27:24.300 He's a top advisor to Fauci.

00:27:26.640 And in September of 2021, they now have his emails.

00:27:30.600 This guy Moritz, or Moritz.

00:27:33.020 And he's corresponding with Peter Daszak, who is a villain, in my view.

00:27:39.400 He's the guy who runs EcoHealth Alliance.

00:27:41.500 That's the group that partnered with the Wuhan lab to do gain-of-function research.

00:27:45.340 Let's say it'd be so fun if we figure out how to make these viruses even more dangerous for people.

00:27:49.320 And then let's do it in China.

00:27:51.040 What could possibly go wrong?

00:27:52.540 And then let me engineer a statement of American scientists saying,

00:27:57.200 we agree this absolutely did not come from a lab and publish it in a scientific journal.

00:28:01.960 Call it a conspiracy theory.

00:28:03.260 And then I will somehow wiggle onto the WHO investigative body that's looking into the

00:28:08.920 origins of COVID and go all the way over to China to do my investigation of myself and then exonerate

00:28:15.620 myself.

00:28:16.060 Even 60 Minutes had to call BS on that in a great interview where they were like, hello.

00:28:20.440 Okay.

00:28:20.700 But that's Peter Daszak corresponding with this guy who's supposed to be representing us,

00:28:24.900 Fauci's guy, Morenz or Morenz, David.

00:28:27.620 Um, so here's Morenz.

00:28:30.240 He writes to Daszak, I try to always communicate on Gmail because my NIH email is FOIA'd constantly.

00:28:39.340 So annoying when I have to respond to the people.

00:28:42.400 Oh, that was my last part.

00:28:44.420 Morenz, don't worry.

00:28:45.620 Just send to any of my addresses and I will delete anything I don't want to see in the New York

00:28:50.040 Times, it's right there, black and white.

00:28:54.320 And he had, he had testified behind closed doors in January, denying that he ever attempted

00:29:01.300 to delete COVID-19 records according to the subcommittee.

00:29:05.300 So what, why was he saying this to Peter Daszak saying, just send to any of my addresses and

00:29:10.140 I will delete anything I don't want to see in the New York Times, or I just communicate

00:29:14.560 on my other, my private email to avoid the FOIA.

00:29:17.640 All right, one more thing that I'll get your reaction.

00:29:20.040 Here he is testifying before Congress and being asked about this, Fauci, this morning.

00:29:24.660 Did Dr. Morenz communicate with you about official business using his private email?

00:29:30.400 Official business?

00:29:31.700 No.

00:29:33.320 Did you ever encourage Dr. Morenz to use his private email address for official business?

00:29:38.820 No.

00:29:41.140 Okay.

00:29:41.780 So deny.

00:29:42.780 He knows nothing.

00:29:43.980 My favorite thing about this is that Morenz is patting himself on the back in writing about

00:29:49.700 how clever he can be to avoid FOIA, but he's putting it in an email that can be FOIA.

00:29:56.080 It's like, it's so perfect.

00:29:58.380 Like he's, he really thinks highly of himself, but he can't even avoid FOIA because he's writing

00:30:04.380 it down.

00:30:04.980 It reminds me of that guy, Biff in Back to the Future, right?

00:30:07.900 It was Mr. Potato Head.

00:30:08.940 Wasn't that it?

00:30:09.420 Oh no, no, no.

00:30:09.880 I'm quoting the guy from War Games.

00:30:11.800 Remember that guy?

00:30:12.520 He's probably, you're too young.

00:30:13.840 War Games?

00:30:14.980 Mr. Potato Head.

00:30:16.100 Sorry.

00:30:16.500 My audience is different.

00:30:17.600 No.

00:30:17.820 They know it.

00:30:18.420 I've seen no movies.

00:30:19.560 What?

00:30:20.240 You haven't seen War Games?

00:30:21.580 No.

00:30:22.140 With Matthew Broderick?

00:30:23.160 No.

00:30:23.980 And Ally Sheedy?

00:30:25.400 Oh, he's so cute.

00:30:26.140 You've got to read that.

00:30:26.880 It's amazing.

00:30:27.760 It's about the computers taking over.

00:30:29.620 Yeah.

00:30:29.880 And like launching World War III.

00:30:31.480 Anyway.

00:30:31.900 Sounds like a relaxing weekend.

00:30:33.280 You'll read it.

00:30:34.120 You'll enjoy it.

00:30:34.800 It's an interesting soundbite and forgive me because I didn't see the hearing this morning.

00:30:38.940 So my question may have been answered in the hearing, but he says official business?

00:30:44.000 No.

00:30:44.780 I'm curious.

00:30:45.920 What would Dr. Anthony Fauci's distinction between official business and unofficial business

00:30:50.780 be?

00:30:51.400 And would he consider emails about how to evade public records requests, official business

00:30:56.580 or unofficial business?

00:30:58.220 I'm quite curious where he would draw that line.

00:31:01.040 And I think, you know, overall, we had, many of us had a sense all throughout COVID that

00:31:09.840 the authorities who were telling us six feet away and mask wearing inside, outside, oh,

00:31:15.440 actually not outside, but inside.

00:31:17.580 And the guidance was changing over time that like they didn't really know and that it wouldn't

00:31:25.060 have been that hard.

00:31:26.320 And everybody would have understood if they came forward and said, we're dealing with something

00:31:30.400 novel.

00:31:31.160 We're telling you what we know as we understand it.

00:31:34.400 The guidelines will change, but we're doing our best.

00:31:37.820 And frankly, there's a lot we just don't know.

00:31:40.560 But instead, they came out with the authority of God and chastised people for asking any questions

00:31:48.340 about it.

00:31:48.820 And I think that is what really rankles people is that they passed this down with real authority

00:31:55.140 rather than saying, we're not sure this is the best we can do right now.

00:31:59.900 And we may come back to you and tell you we were wrong with real authority and like hubris.

00:32:04.600 A sneering.

00:32:05.540 Right.

00:32:05.800 A knowing, like a know it all.

00:32:08.400 You're a dumb ass.

00:32:09.480 I'm an infectious disease specialist.

00:32:11.400 Right.

00:32:11.880 Like I dismiss your questions because you're too dumb to understand.

00:32:15.360 And the result is that they have done grievous harm to the cause they represent.

00:32:22.440 Yes.

00:32:22.760 In any kind of major national health emergency going forward, nobody will trust what comes

00:32:29.100 out of the mouths of these people.

00:32:30.340 He was asked recently what harm has been done to public health, to vaccine skepticism.

00:32:36.900 Like has it gone up and down?

00:32:37.800 And he was like, well, you know, I guess we need a study.

00:32:40.320 We need a study.

00:32:41.020 But he acknowledged that this, the mandates may have increased vaccine skepticism.

00:32:47.380 He, I, I never want to see him again.

00:32:49.660 I either want to see him behind bars or not at all.

00:32:52.620 And I know like, I don't even like to talk about it because it's so irritating what they

00:32:57.680 put us through and nobody got fired.

00:33:00.200 I'm like Fauci's still out there.

00:33:02.280 Yes.

00:33:02.420 He retired, but he's still probably making a ton of money doing consulting and all that.

00:33:05.860 There's been no real penalty to any of this.

00:33:07.560 Our kids were hurt.

00:33:08.460 No real penalties.

00:33:09.360 These, so it's annoying, but I do feel a civic responsibility to cover this guy's lies

00:33:15.060 and the slow admissions as he makes them.

00:33:17.300 Yeah.

00:33:17.380 I guarantee you got a tongue bath from some of the Democrats on that committee today.

00:33:20.500 If, if they asked him a question, I guarantee that's what happened.

00:33:23.760 It's probably not, it's probably not approved by the NIH to give him tongue baths.

00:33:28.840 It's like not an approved form of affection, but it's, they punished people who ask questions.

00:33:33.920 You know, it wasn't just that they were enforcing this.

00:33:35.580 They actually punished people who dared to ask questions.

00:33:38.420 The media was obviously in on it.

00:33:39.840 They were colluding with speech platforms, but they actively sought to suppress free speech

00:33:44.960 in this country on the grounds of information that they were not even certain of and not

00:33:49.700 even reasonably sure of because they didn't know.

00:33:52.700 And so they made six feet up.

00:33:54.280 They completely pulled it out of thin air.

00:33:55.800 I would love to hear more information on that conversation, actually, because it's a window

00:33:58.920 into how they made a lot of decisions at that time.

00:34:00.860 We, we played that video over and over of the little, the little toddler boy, um, who they

00:34:05.640 kept shoving his mask on over and over and over and he was crying and he didn't want it.

00:34:10.420 You know, he's a baby and he kept crying in daycare and they, they just wouldn't let up.

00:34:14.220 I can't remember his name.

00:34:15.340 I used to know it, but it was like, here you go, Patrick, or over and over and over.

00:34:18.660 And they were like, yay, yay.

00:34:20.320 And he just kept crying and pulling it off.

00:34:22.020 He doesn't remember how we got to mask mandates for children.

00:34:27.340 Doesn't remember the data that supported that because there were none.

00:34:32.220 There were none in all the studies that have been done left, right, and otherwise since

00:34:36.780 the pandemic stopped, um, have proven that.

00:34:39.620 And the left-wing media just won't do any sort of come to Jesus, you know, moment where

00:34:44.000 they look at their own mistakes and they admit that they're the ones who let us down this

00:34:48.360 path.

00:34:48.760 It's just infuriating.

00:34:50.060 So we'll continue to watch him.

00:34:51.580 Do we have another one?

00:34:52.260 You guys, did you say, oh, we have more Fauci.

00:34:54.220 He's asked about mask mandates.

00:34:55.720 That's right.

00:34:56.220 That's coming up right after the break.

00:34:57.280 Don't go away.

00:34:57.780 More with the EJs right after this.

00:35:02.300 Put your mask on.

00:35:06.440 You got to wear it on, honey.

00:35:08.360 No, you got to keep it on.

00:35:12.880 Put your mask on.

00:35:15.940 There you go.

00:35:16.560 Keep it right there.

00:35:18.120 Yay, Mason.

00:35:19.000 Yay.

00:35:21.580 Keep it on these things.

00:35:23.000 It's mine.

00:35:24.100 Look, we're going to keep it right here.

00:35:26.280 Mom, look how old I'm on.

00:35:29.080 I'm not.

00:35:34.280 I see you.

00:35:36.840 Keep your mask on.

00:35:38.260 Put your mask back on.

00:35:40.540 Oh.

00:35:41.040 I want to go home.

00:35:42.200 What are you looking at?

00:35:43.960 I'm not a problem.

00:35:45.020 Keep it on your face.

00:35:46.880 You got to keep it on your face so they go outside.

00:35:50.240 Oh, my God.

00:35:51.160 It's awful.

00:35:52.040 There you go.

00:35:55.420 Nice.

00:35:59.360 Sweet boy.

00:36:02.360 He was right.

00:36:04.440 He was right.

00:36:06.300 It's emotional to watch, isn't it?

00:36:08.420 F you, Dr. Fauci.

00:36:09.760 That's because of you.

00:36:10.700 And now he's like, so blasé.

00:36:13.040 I don't know.

00:36:13.720 I can't remember.

00:36:14.720 What supported the mask mandates?

00:36:16.320 I don't.

00:36:17.080 I think we just made up the distancing.

00:36:19.280 Like, nothing.

00:36:20.540 Nothing.

00:36:21.020 So poor Mason, you don't think that did some damage?

00:36:23.940 Every day that kid likely went through that, just as all the kids did.

00:36:27.400 So here's Fauci being asked about some of the masks this morning.

00:36:31.600 Watch.

00:36:33.720 I'm going to go through a list of COVID mitigation measures that you supported over the course of the pandemic and ask you to give me a yes or no as to whether you believe these measures were justified.

00:36:41.520 Business closures.

00:36:44.300 Early on, when 5,000 people were dying a day, yes.

00:36:48.040 Church closures.

00:36:50.680 Same thing.

00:36:51.600 School closures.

00:36:53.000 Again.

00:36:54.200 Stay-at-home orders.

00:36:55.220 These were important when we were trying to stop the tsunami of deaths that were occurring early on.

00:37:02.320 Early on.

00:37:03.180 How long you kept them going is debatable.

00:37:06.680 Mask mandates for adults.

00:37:08.180 Mask mandates for children.

00:37:09.740 Mask mandates for children under five.

00:37:11.660 And going back to what I said before, all of that is in the context of, at the time, 4 to 5,000 people a day were dying.

00:37:19.240 Mask mandates for children under five.

00:37:20.500 There's scientific evidence for that.

00:37:22.280 Excuse me?

00:37:22.940 Mask mandates for children under five.

00:37:24.500 There's scientific evidence supporting that.

00:37:26.720 There was no study that did masks on kids before.

00:37:30.680 You couldn't do the study.

00:37:32.440 Right.

00:37:32.980 Because it would have been abusive.

00:37:34.560 But he doesn't.

00:37:36.100 There's never going to be an accountability for Dr. Anthony Fauci.

00:37:39.560 The left has determined he must be lauded.

00:37:42.800 He's not getting tried on false felony charges or real felony charges for that matter.

00:37:47.900 He's going to remain a superhero to them.

00:37:49.820 It's disgusting.

00:37:50.740 And I applaud the House's effort to call attention to the fact that he knows nothing.

00:37:54.140 It was all an act.

00:37:55.380 He knew nothing.

00:37:57.260 And he tortured our children both in that way and with mandatory vaccines that cause myocarditis that wasn't disclosed.

00:38:03.620 And there are still kids suffering from that.

00:38:05.720 Not to mention those who have died.

00:38:08.080 Yes, Kara Swisher, they've died because of these animals who pretended they knew answers that they didn't know.

00:38:15.380 It's just absolutely infuriating.

00:38:16.860 By the way, on this guy, Morenz, Fauci said what he was doing using personal email indeed violates NIH policy.

00:38:26.720 He was asked by Representative Comer, so Dr. Morenz edited a letter that Dr. Daszak sent to the NIH.

00:38:34.100 Did you know that?

00:38:34.620 Does that violate policy?

00:38:35.940 Yes, that violates policy.

00:38:37.680 He was asked, Dr. Morenz provided Dr. Daszak advice for how to mislead NIH on EcoHealth's late progress report.

00:38:45.280 Does that violate policy?

00:38:46.860 That was wrong.

00:38:47.720 It was inappropriate.

00:38:48.580 It violated policy.

00:38:50.480 And on it goes.

00:38:52.920 Okay.

00:38:53.320 So that's enough about Anthony Fauci because I can't stand him.

00:38:56.160 It's true, Megan, that like, okay, he's not – nobody's going to sanction him officially.

00:39:01.920 But I do think that, broadly speaking, the American public is aware that they were misled and told to do things on the basis of no evidence.

00:39:12.580 And for a narcissist in the way that he is, I'm not sure if you guys saw, he allowed a camera crew to follow him during COVID.

00:39:19.760 And there was a – there is a documentary about him, 90 minutes or so, that shows him kissing his wife through a mask in his own home, among other things.

00:39:28.800 Oh, my God.

00:39:29.080 And crying when Biden is inaugurated.

00:39:31.600 Hot.

00:39:31.760 So for somebody like that who craves public approval, I think that is its own sort of punishment.

00:39:41.220 Yeah, right, that he's been outed.

00:39:43.160 That people know.

00:39:43.900 Yeah.

00:39:44.280 As truly, like, a know-nothing.

00:39:46.980 Okay.

00:39:47.560 Well, look, if you want to know the list of things Trump did that he shouldn't have done, that would be at the top of mind, trusting that guy and not firing Anthony Fauci.

00:39:57.460 It was a massive mistake.

00:39:58.480 Ron DeSantis was right.

00:39:59.740 But it is what it is.

00:40:01.280 I mean, we have an even greater COVID enthusiast in the White House right now, right?

00:40:06.540 I mean, Joe Biden would probably still have us masked if he thought he could get away with it, politically speaking.

00:40:12.020 All right.

00:40:12.220 And speaking of Donald Trump, the aftermath of the shocking verdict – it wasn't really shocking, but the fact that a former president was convicted was – continues.

00:40:22.040 Some of the media over the weekend trying to get their arms around the significance of this – hold on a second.

00:40:28.740 Here was the first one.

00:40:29.960 Trump had used the term, I'm a political prisoner.

00:40:33.000 Now, he's not technically a prisoner right now, but he could be.

00:40:36.040 He actually could be soon.

00:40:38.500 And it was the weirdest thing.

00:40:40.800 It's got a lot of coverage on Friday.

00:40:42.520 Joe Biden was walking out of a presser.

00:40:44.780 Not on this entirely, but he was asked this question as he walked out, and this is how he responded.

00:40:53.020 I'll describe it for the listening audience this time.

00:40:56.320 Mr. President, can you tell us, sir, Donald Trump refers to himself as a political prisoner and blames you directly.

00:41:03.440 What's your response to that, sir?

00:41:04.820 Turns.

00:41:06.040 Do you think the conviction will have an impact on the campaign?

00:41:12.300 Turns back.

00:41:13.000 We'd love to hear your thoughts, sir.

00:41:14.240 Should he be on the ballot, sir?

00:41:15.900 Slowly shuffles away.

00:41:18.520 What?

00:41:19.580 What was that?

00:41:21.220 I can't answer that.

00:41:23.080 I have no idea what that was.

00:41:25.600 He doesn't know what that was.

00:41:27.400 Nobody knows what that was.

00:41:29.100 There's no way of knowing what just happened.

00:41:30.660 He was, for once, he held his tongue.

00:41:32.780 He was dying to answer it.

00:41:35.320 Right?

00:41:35.680 He was dying to say he got what he deserved.

00:41:36.920 I couldn't actually tell if he heard the question.

00:41:38.920 Oh, he heard it.

00:41:39.740 It looked like a total senior moment.

00:41:41.920 He's like shuffling off the stage.

00:41:44.020 He would have just kept moving if he didn't hear it.

00:41:46.180 It's true.

00:41:46.800 He heard it, and he was, for once, holding his tongue.

00:41:50.940 It's interesting because he's been trying to walk this line of commenting on the case,

00:41:54.840 but not making it, quote, political.

00:41:56.700 That's the sort of line that we've seen dripped out to the Beltway media outlets recently,

00:42:01.160 is that Joe Biden, he's going to comment on this, but he doesn't want it to look like

00:42:06.000 a campaign thing or politics.

00:42:07.980 So when the verdict comes out, he's going to be at the White House.

00:42:11.060 That's as political as it gets.

00:42:13.480 Isn't that your problem when Trump had the RNC at the White House, is that it was political?

00:42:17.220 And so the nature of the question, it makes me think, if that's what in Joe Biden's head,

00:42:22.580 that's what the wheels were turning.

00:42:23.860 Like, well, you don't want to get too political with this, like the political prisoner question.

00:42:28.300 You know, this is just Joe.

00:42:29.740 You're just doing this to stay above the fray, to be the bigger man.

00:42:32.900 I have no idea what goes on in his head.

00:42:34.660 OK, but meantime, he and Trump, well, more Trump than Biden, are going to have to wrestle

00:42:40.580 with how much this comes up over the next four or five months, right?

00:42:45.380 Like, Joe Biden may not continue to say convicted felon, right?

00:42:49.060 He hasn't said it yet, but his campaign said it multiple times since it happened.

00:42:52.640 And Donald Trump is talking about it, though it just happened and he just got un-gagged.

00:42:57.740 We think, by the way, that was only reported by CNBC and I've reported, I quoted them on

00:43:02.040 my show, but I'm not 100% sure that the gag order has been totally lifted.

00:43:06.040 Like, I wonder what would happen to Trump if he went out there and started ripping on the

00:43:08.620 jurors.

00:43:09.280 I actually do wonder.

00:43:10.340 I'm not sure this judge would allow it, which is, would be really unfair.

00:43:13.320 Well, you just gave him a fun new idea.

00:43:15.120 You should do it.

00:43:15.740 They're fair game.

00:43:16.400 I'm sorry.

00:43:16.860 You're not forever immunized from criticism just because you served on a jury.

00:43:19.820 What the hell?

00:43:20.680 Of course you're not.

00:43:22.020 Anyway, we'll see.

00:43:23.740 So Trump has the decision how much, if at all, to mention this going forward, right?

00:43:29.600 Because like right now, Republicans are pissed.

00:43:32.060 Sorry, peeled.

00:43:32.700 That's the one word my mom really doesn't like.

00:43:35.260 She doesn't like any of them, but that's the one she called me on.

00:43:37.700 And they're mad.

00:43:40.000 So you could play into that, but mention it too much instead of inflation and immigration.

00:43:46.180 And I think the patience will run thin, right?

00:43:49.680 Pretty quickly.

00:43:51.580 Here's just a little bit.

00:43:53.000 He gave an interview at Fox and Friends Sunday, and he talked about whether he's going to jail

00:43:57.540 or not.

00:43:57.860 It's not five.

00:44:00.840 It could.

00:44:01.440 The judge could decide to say, hey, house arrest or even jail.

00:44:04.220 It couldn't face what that could be.

00:44:05.780 I'm OK with it.

00:44:06.620 I saw one of my lawyers the other day on television saying, oh, no, you don't want to do that to

00:44:11.540 the president.

00:44:11.920 I said, don't, you don't beg for anything.

00:44:15.640 Don't beg for anything.

00:44:17.080 Maybe he would be OK with it.

00:44:18.240 I don't know.

00:44:18.820 I mean, I think he'd have a different kind of jail experience than the three of us would.

00:44:21.520 But what do you make of like the strategy?

00:44:24.140 How much does he talk about it versus other people's issues?

00:44:27.160 I think it was a powerful primary campaign issue, and his base is following every twist

00:44:33.560 and turn of this.

00:44:34.380 That's an important contingent to continue to keep energized and activated.

00:44:39.140 But he's like the general election is on and he's got to talk about general election

00:44:43.600 issues.

00:44:44.420 And to that, I think being under house arrest or in jail would really impact his ability

00:44:51.160 to go out there and campaign.

00:44:52.500 Being on the trial did.

00:44:53.560 It impacts his ability to host fundraisers, to meet with donors and to get out and campaign.

00:44:58.280 And Trump did try to overcome that during the trial where he could get in front of the

00:45:01.400 camera every day and deliver a three minute message.

00:45:04.560 But the same is not going to be true for house arrest or or jail.

00:45:08.600 So so that could hurt him.

00:45:10.580 I think he should be saying, like, I need to be able to go out and run my campaign.

00:45:15.140 And it really does undermine democracy if one of the two general election candidates can't

00:45:19.820 get out there and make his case to the people.

00:45:21.320 They know I was convicted.

00:45:22.740 Let the people decide.

00:45:25.000 That would be powerful.

00:45:26.680 I know it's like it's tough because I heard I was listening to The New York Times is The

00:45:29.960 Daily today, the podcast.

00:45:31.760 And it's a love hate relationship, man, because I listen to hear what the left is saying.

00:45:36.240 And then every time you're like, oh, my God.

00:45:39.300 So today they were on there talking about how every day from the Biden camp's perspective,

00:45:46.400 every day Trump talks about this instead of inflation is a win.

00:45:49.840 And I can see that over in team Biden.

00:45:53.060 I mean, with the caveat that right now the right is incensed over this.

00:45:58.260 And the more Trump talks about it, probably the more, you know, it keeps that fire alive.

00:46:02.140 I think there's also one thing that I haven't heard talked about enough.

00:46:05.320 And it's Biden is out here campaigning like he was in 2020 on normalcy and lowercase democracy,

00:46:11.620 restoring, you know, normalcy from all of the chaos of the Trump years.

00:46:15.540 And he's now the one cheering on this norm shattering, precedent shattering decision to,

00:46:22.780 you know, potentially sentence the former president to prison, but to convict him on 34 felony counts

00:46:27.600 with was the phrase that MSNBC used at one point, like novel, a novel legal theory, something like

00:46:33.280 that. Perfect. But he's now the one that is is cheering for the shattering of norms.

00:46:38.420 I don't think that feels normal to people. I don't think that feels decent to people.

00:46:42.540 And I also think it's easy for Biden like it is for Trump, but it's easy for Biden to get caught up

00:46:48.000 in the spiral of talking. Every time you mention your opponent, you call him convicted felon.

00:46:51.960 And then you pivot to talk about inflation. Well, you probably just undercut whatever you're about

00:46:56.500 to say about inflation with some percentage of the American population in a close election.

00:47:00.900 But that is the plan. Dan Pfeiffer, the guy who got, you know, Obama elected, he said,

00:47:05.200 first of all, we should never miss an opportunity to refer to him as convicted felon. You cannot say

00:47:09.980 it enough or in enough spaces. It needs to be drilled into the heads of the American people who

00:47:14.020 aren't paying that close attention. You know, the polls do support that there's some sliver of the

00:47:19.600 electorate that doesn't want to elect a convicted felon. And sadly, the polls are showing that the

00:47:25.400 overwhelming number of Americans polled think this was a real case. They don't know. They're

00:47:31.020 living their lives. They're not paying the close attention. How could you with this media? I mean,

00:47:34.560 even if you paid attention, it would be hard. If you only paid attention to the Times, MSNBC,

00:47:40.340 Washington Post, your local Gannett affiliate, it would be really hard to know what the hell just

00:47:44.760 happened. Even my pal Dan Abrams at News Nation, who I mentioned, who I really like,

00:47:48.540 but their whole mission is to be like down the middle. I mean, what he was saying to me the other

00:47:52.220 night is like, of course, it's illegal to pay off somebody in order to help your campaign.

00:47:57.440 If you pay somebody under a non-disclosure in advance of your election, it's illegal. No,

00:48:03.060 it isn't. It's a lie. It doesn't violate election campaign finance. It doesn't violate any law.

00:48:09.340 This whole thing was a lie. Pause there. Quick break. Right back.

00:48:12.640 Here's some polling on how the verdict's going over so far. Latest poll from ABC News and Ipsos

00:48:24.560 shows, and this has taken in the past couple of days since the verdict, that in their word,

00:48:30.640 it has had minimal impact on public opinion. And they go through all these numbers about,

00:48:36.240 okay, among Republicans, 16% say Trump should end his campaign. 75% say he shouldn't. A majority of

00:48:43.740 independents, 52%, and Democrats, 79, say Trump should end his campaign. Then they give the big

00:48:49.420 reveal. These figures are essentially unchanged from a similar question asked in April. So nothing.

00:48:54.660 I'm like, oh my God, look at all the independents running. No, it's the same. It's had no impact so far.

00:49:00.440 We'll see. Morning consult says 15% of Republicans believe Trump should drop out. That tracks with

00:49:07.240 what I just read off of ABC. Let's see. That's basically a majority of independent voters. 56%

00:49:14.760 said the conviction will not affect their vote. 45% of Americans say they're independents. 46% of

00:49:20.440 voters said Trump should be sentenced to prison. 44% said the same in the morning consult. Anyway,

00:49:25.400 the bottom line is so far, not much of an impact at all. And yet you've got, as I said before,

00:49:31.520 Dan Pfeiffer out there saying at every turn, people must be reminded that he's a convicted felon.

00:49:37.200 Like this is the one thing that could actually change the voters who have been immovable thus far.

00:49:43.400 Do you, is he wrong? Cause here's a little bit more. He says, repetition is the key to a successful

00:49:48.140 message. And we want people to wrestle with the notion of hiring a convicted felon for the most

00:49:52.180 important job in the country. Um, and he goes on to say, no, the targets, moderates and young people,

00:50:00.600 and don't expect the race to shift overnight, but this is the way forward.

00:50:04.980 This is based on my expertise of zero and polling. So I'm glad everyone's tuned in for this, but

00:50:10.700 my sense is the following. Um, I'm sure the Biden campaign and team Biden's polling on their messaging

00:50:19.160 is more sound. Like sure. They've determined and they found in polling over a year that this is a

00:50:25.480 damaging message, calling him a convicted felon. Um, then the flash polls done in the 24 hours after

00:50:31.720 the verdict that came out, I don't put any stock in those. Um, I also think there is a lot of time

00:50:39.060 between now and the November election and big things are going to happen that are likely to be

00:50:45.920 more important than this verdict that will become baked into public sentiment. Um, I, just my, uh,

00:50:53.760 my all important gut is telling me that like a lot's going to happen between now and then that

00:51:00.040 will make this recede into the rear view mirror a little bit. Um, but it, it's true. Trump is going

00:51:05.880 to have to come up with a message to contend with what the Biden message is, which is convicted felon.

00:51:10.020 Like, okay. His message should be, what are they afraid of? Like, let the people, let me run,

00:51:16.700 let the people vote and you all should decide. But this is where it's spinning now. Did you see

00:51:21.840 JD Vance on with Wolf Blitzer or the highlights of that? Yes. So this is, there's a longer clip.

00:51:25.700 We just cut a little bit, but this is where the left is going now with the narrative. Watch

00:51:29.380 what happened to the Republican party being the party of law and order. We are the party of law and

00:51:34.800 order, but you can't have law and order. This former president has been convicted 34 times.

00:51:40.000 Law and order violating law. Law and order is not having a judge who donates to the political

00:51:46.520 opposition of Donald Trump and then tries to throw Donald Trump in jail. That's the opposite of law.

00:51:51.380 Okay. But it keeps going. And I heard this from a lot of circles on the left that the Republicans

00:51:55.980 are not the party of law and order because they're not accepting this verdict as legit.

00:52:02.360 And the other thing Democrats I think are totally underestimating. It's not that of course,

00:52:06.680 there's some percentage of the country that's going to be uncomfortable with a convicted

00:52:09.960 felon being president. There's no question about it. But, uh, again, you get into this

00:52:15.640 really interesting issue where it's real when that guy is four days before the RNC supposed

00:52:21.560 to be sentenced. That is something that that image, I don't think they understand what that

00:52:28.560 could do. Because again, just being convicted, there've been so many cases thrown at him, um,

00:52:33.940 that it's, it started to, I mean, I think people are getting numb to it. There's so many charters

00:52:38.440 thrown at him.

00:52:38.940 What, what if we don't think this guy's going to sentence, I don't, Trump to jail. And I,

00:52:45.820 a lot of the lawyers who are on my show last Friday and we had like the who's who of law

00:52:49.620 said, even if he does sentence him, he'll likely maybe suspend it where you don't actually have to

00:52:55.380 serve the time. Right. As long as you're a good boy, you don't violate the law, um, or potentially

00:53:00.600 at least postpone it post appeal. But I mean, what if this guy's a true lunatic and throws him in jail

00:53:06.080 before the convention?

00:53:08.260 He donated what, like $15 to the Biden campaign, $35 to the Biden campaign, which I saw Byron York

00:53:13.840 make a great point. And I think Andy McCarthy was making this point too. That's only something you do

00:53:18.180 if you want people to know that you're on the team. There's no other reason to give $35 as a judge.

00:53:23.000 It's true. I mean, it's a weird thing to do. So, I mean, that really could happen. I think,

00:53:28.460 I think it's probably, if I had to put money on it, I wouldn't say that it was going to happen,

00:53:32.220 but it is not, not a possibility. And that image, again, I don't think, I was walking by the Supreme

00:53:38.560 court yesterday with a friend, like walking behind the Supreme court. Um, so live in the area and I was

00:53:43.820 looking at it and I was like, I don't think Democrats know what they've done. I don't think they know

00:53:48.180 what they've done when the immunity ruling comes out. People, this was the last,

00:53:53.000 place, the courts were the last place that people really trusted. And they burned that trust for

00:53:58.620 34 felony convictions on what a hush money payment to a porn star in the service of an election

00:54:04.460 violation. Right. Well done. Yeah. It basically two misdemeanors that stitched together allegedly

00:54:09.180 made a felony, both of which were time barred. I mean, that's really what just happened. You know,

00:54:13.660 I do think about this sometimes when I'm just like trying to upset myself. Um, Trump could lose this

00:54:19.440 election. I realized he's ahead and mostly swing state polls, but anything could happen. We've got

00:54:24.520 five months to go four months really until the early voting really kicks in October and then five

00:54:29.120 months till election day. And the Democrat war machine is formidable. And they get out the vote

00:54:34.180 machine is formidable. And Trump is not popular. He's not, but neither is Biden. They're both in the

00:54:40.160 low thirties on their favorability rating. So the electorate continues to dislike over all the choices

00:54:45.040 that they have. So it's not a lock and there's no sign of slowing down on either of the federal cases

00:54:50.860 or if Fannie Willis doesn't get booted on the Atlantic case, if she gets booted ballgame, I do

00:54:56.880 think that case is over. If she doesn't get booted by this appellate court, it's it's on. And what would

00:55:04.140 happen if Trump loses? I think he's going to jail. Yeah, he's going to a hundred percent. And Trump has

00:55:11.580 to run a serious and disciplined campaign, which is has not historically been a strong suit. But I do

00:55:16.720 think this is like we're living the prospect of a hanging focuses the mind because Trump knows like

00:55:23.120 his future is contingent upon him running a very serious campaign. Also, his choice of vice

00:55:29.820 presidential nominee is very, very important. He needs someone who will help him. Exactly. He needs

00:55:35.180 someone who will help him in the polls. And so he's got to take these things seriously. He's got to run

00:55:40.360 seriously and and carry a disciplined message. That's what Dan Pfeiffer is talking about that

00:55:46.220 the Democrats are going to do. They're going to hammer home the same message over and over and

00:55:49.380 over again. Trump's got to think hard about what that message is and what what two words is he

00:55:53.900 going to leave in the mind? Exactly. But will the noose around his neck focus the mind? Did you hear

00:56:00.180 at his presser on Friday? He he was long and rambling. He was talking about that story about from

00:56:06.240 Cassidy Hutchinson about him allegedly grabbing the wheel of the beast on the January 6th,

00:56:10.920 which is interesting. Trump's always interesting. But you are like everyone is listening to you right

00:56:16.020 now. It's like your first big presser after the verdict. Like, what a great time standpoint. Yeah.

00:56:21.780 Keep hammering. You've got three points or five points. Just keep hammering them over and over.

00:56:26.380 That is not a discussion for today. I do worry like Trump off prompter is not as strong these days,

00:56:33.000 like in terms of staying focused. Well, another good point that Eliana made was his one of his

00:56:38.060 big messages is such a good one, which is let people vote and let the American people vote.

00:56:43.920 Don't try to take this away from me, from them by putting me in jail or by throwing all these

00:56:49.860 convictions at me. Just let the voters decide. Don't use the novel legal theory. Just let people

00:56:55.980 go to the polls. And that's a really strong argument. But it's from his perspective, I understand

00:57:01.280 why psychologically you would get bogged down in all of the like incredible, you know, it's like

00:57:06.120 that meme from it's always sunny in Philadelphia with Charlie at the board, you know, where he's

00:57:10.540 like pulling strings in different directions attached to different pictures because Cassidy

00:57:14.080 Hutchinson, like why is he even thinking about Cassidy? I know. I know. But I mean, he was genuinely

00:57:19.240 like the media spread a totally stupid story, which was untrue. Yeah, the secret service involved

00:57:25.380 has since come out to say none of that is true. That did not happen. But people can't follow that.

00:57:29.140 Yeah. That's why he's frustrated. Like I feel for him. That's why he's frustrated. He's

00:57:33.040 like more lies that were told that people just got away with and they're bestselling books,

00:57:37.320 but they weren't true. Right. So he's got to live with it. This is like neither here nor

00:57:41.360 there. But to go back to that Wolf Blitzer clip, can we just talk for a second about how

00:57:46.880 nonsensical and stupid that line of questioning is? Like, it is hard for me to believe that he

00:57:54.020 is really not capable of understanding and having a serious argument about the fact that many

00:57:59.840 Republicans and conservatives don't think this was a good case. And oh, if you don't believe this

00:58:04.820 was a good case and you don't think he should have been convicted, then you can't be the party

00:58:08.260 of law and order. It's so stupid. And it's like evading the real argument to have a specious

00:58:15.960 gotcha television moment that's so dumb.

00:58:20.120 Yes. Because it was a talking point that his friends that work in like different lobbying

00:58:24.720 firms texted him. Clearly. Cause it was, it was going around Dem circles.

00:58:28.280 Clearly. Yeah. When we, when we talk about law and order, we're not talking about like putting

00:58:32.000 the former president behind bars. We're talking about like the Southern border and the people

00:58:35.640 like, you know, shoplifting from CVS. Wolf. And the criminals who are like attacking women

00:58:40.460 on church steps in New York. Dwayne Reed, Eliana. And like he knows that.

00:58:44.560 Yes. That's right. I went to CVS this morning. There are CVS. Dwayne Reed is like that. So

00:58:50.180 here's a little bit more from Stephanopoulos and his take on where we are right now.

00:58:55.200 In 1774, John Adams said representative government and trial by jury are the heart and lungs of

00:59:01.960 liberty. 250 years later, the heart and lungs of liberty are facing what may be the ultimate

00:59:07.900 stress test. Jurors have yet to consider charges against Trump for even more serious crimes,

00:59:12.400 blocking the peaceful transfer of power, concealing classified documents, encouraging the filing of

00:59:18.000 false electors. But for now, the New York jurors have already presented their fellow citizens with

00:59:24.020 a choice. Do we want to be represented to be led for the first time in history by a convicted felon?

00:59:31.840 Now, is it any wonder he did not get the debate? He got the he ho on the debate. ABC chose two other

00:59:40.020 people and not their chief political correspondent. And that is why, because ABC News in that in that

00:59:46.020 choice, ABC News in that choice is acknowledging he is biased. He can't be fair. Hello. We all know

00:59:54.660 that. That's why he didn't get chosen. He's owning it more and more on the air and it's ruining ABC's

01:00:00.560 reputation. And they're letting him keep that platform. It's not. I mean, so take him off the

01:00:04.460 debate, but he's still at the anchor of your Sunday show and your chief political correspondent. You

01:00:09.200 know that he was like in the Hamptons in like a library, his personal library that like smells of

01:00:15.040 leather bound books and rich mahogany, like the anchorman line, just like getting very excited

01:00:19.080 about what he just wrote. Like maybe even sexually excited about what he just wrote. It's so stupid.

01:00:25.060 It's so stupid, especially in a case where you have all of the different problems that the media

01:00:29.480 ignored that we talked about earlier. This is not cut and dry. It was novel legal theory. There was all

01:00:34.320 kinds of funny business going on. The judge voted, the judge donated to the opposition leader. Yeah.

01:00:40.120 The other campaign. Yes. And the name of the group that he earmarked the money for was about as

01:00:44.600 leftist as it was like the campaign to stop Republicans and their far right agenda. Yes.

01:00:49.800 Make sure my money goes there. And I'm getting lectures on John Adams, the heart and lungs of

01:00:54.200 liberty from George Stephanopoulos, a Clinton staffer on ABC. Right. Give me a break.

01:01:00.620 Anyway, like with the average person sitting and listening at home, have any idea who George is

01:01:05.220 rooting for in this? If this is the choice we face. He's rooting for democracy. Right. Sure. All right.

01:01:10.620 But no one, no one was worse than, I think it's fair to say, Joy Behar, who gave, I mean, from the

01:01:16.360 department of TMI. Uh, this was joy on the view on Friday. What was your reaction? Well, my reaction was I

01:01:24.260 was at Costco buying, you know, 10 boxes of Keurig coffee. Uh, and, uh, my, my, my watch started to

01:01:31.520 buzz and I got so excited. I started leaking. Okay. Just when you didn't think you could be

01:01:37.380 more upset, you have to picture Joy Behar's vagina. I'm sorry. Leaking at a Costco.

01:01:41.960 I don't want it. I didn't want any of the events that happened late last week. What's going on? Why

01:01:49.480 there's such a thing as TMI. There really is like it, it was inappropriate. She's inappropriate. It

01:01:56.420 was disgusting. And no one wants to be thinking about that. But on the larger point, that's how

01:02:02.460 rabid they are. Like it literally caused her to pee her pants. She was so excited to see Donald Trump

01:02:09.400 convicted like a three-year-old seeing goofy at Disney for the first time. Well, imagine then

01:02:15.260 you're having to make this decision about sentencing and your biggest fans are the people that, uh,

01:02:20.860 viscerally they are, they have a lust for Trump to go to prison. Um, so that's why I still don't rule

01:02:27.380 it out. I wouldn't put money on it, but I still don't rule it out because that's who he's responsive

01:02:31.580 to. Uh, and she is representative of such a tiny, tiny slice of the population. And I don't deny that

01:02:37.080 it's real. I don't think it's exclusively rich white women who watch MSNBC. I'm sure there are

01:02:43.180 some other people who really, really hate Trump and want them to go to prison, but it's not the

01:02:47.780 majority of the country on this case. It just isn't. And this is where they, this was the battle

01:02:51.980 they chose the hill they chose to die on. I said this on Friday, but I heard more of it over the

01:02:55.640 weekend. You could actually hear the smiles like in some of the podcasts and the radio broadcasts about

01:03:00.480 this verdict. And then when you watched some of the, you know, leftist media, there was again,

01:03:05.680 I mean, there it's like, Oh, but for the word, hallelujah, it's all in there. They're just

01:03:10.780 overjoyed. Here's a little speaking of joys, um, from Joy Behar to Joy Reed. Watch this and, uh,

01:03:17.120 sought 15. This case was brought in a state that no Republican controls because if it did the same

01:03:25.620 thing that happened in Georgia would have happened here. Thank God for the state of New York, Donald

01:03:30.080 Trump's home state, because there was no way for him to interfere with the process of justice.

01:03:36.120 And in this rare instance, as somebody who's quite critical many times of the criminal justice system,

01:03:42.040 the system actually worked the way it is supposed to work. Oh my Lord. The same thing that happened in

01:03:49.200 Georgia would have happened here. What Alvin Bragg would have started stooping his ADA and that would

01:03:56.500 have been outed as paying the ADA more than all the other prosecutors, thus calling everybody's

01:04:01.800 objectivity into question. Cause that's what got the Georgia prosecution in danger, not a Republican.

01:04:07.780 Oh, this like leftist opponent of the criminal justice system. Also just cheering on a Rico case.

01:04:13.580 Get them. Right, right. Exactly. Right. Go for it. I mean, the system worked like this is the

01:04:19.000 narrative that's being sold. The system worked law and order. No one's above the law. And that's why you

01:04:24.860 have those big numbers of people who think the jury came to the right decision. Like he violated the law

01:04:30.140 and we had to hold him accountable. In very few places do you hear the actual truth, which is

01:04:34.880 he actually didn't violate a single law. He actually didn't do anything wrong. It's not just that like

01:04:40.200 he did some bad stuff, but it wasn't criminal. He didn't do anything wrong. He really didn't. He

01:04:44.140 paid off people who were extorting him. Honestly, Stormy Daniels is the one who did something wrong.

01:04:50.000 She came out and she wasn't even threatening a lawsuit, which makes this extortion. She came up

01:04:54.100 and basically said, give me $130,000 or I'm going to tell my story publicly.

01:04:57.920 Well, I mean, look, probably wasn't great judgment and a great moral or ethical behavior to have an

01:05:05.260 affair with the porn star. Can we talk about that? I want to talk about that. I don't want to defend

01:05:10.380 extramarital affairs by any means. Uh, my husband would be dead if he did any of this to me, but, um,

01:05:17.160 I have to say, I don't really have that much sympathy toward their marriage or I don't know what his

01:05:23.480 deal is with Melania. If they had a covenant for him to be faithful, she would have left long ago.

01:05:28.400 Why is she still there? And we, she's seen what we've seen woman after woman, after woman,

01:05:32.940 after woman, and not just the crazy ones who came out of the woodwork when he was first running.

01:05:36.660 Like there'd be a long history of affairs that seem very credible. There's no way Melania doesn't

01:05:40.780 believe Karen McDougall. That one seems like pretty cut and dried. I just think it's not that I approve of

01:05:46.080 it. I just don't have the moral recoiling that I would if this, we knew were a real covenant of

01:05:52.340 fidelity between two people. He's very rich. She stayed with him. I'll bet there's a different

01:05:57.380 kind of covenant there. It's true. And it's, of course, hard to get inside somebody else's

01:06:02.860 marriage, but like, I'll do it. Look, okay. But you gotta have sympathy for the kid. And it's a crappy

01:06:12.100 thing to do to your kid to have all this splashed out in public. Well, in his defense, he tried to

01:06:17.740 stop it from splashing. He did. He did. Okay. The real hero. He did. Yeah. Right. Crappy. So I agree

01:06:26.980 with you. I don't think it's illegal, but wouldn't have done. Is it immoral if your spouse has no

01:06:33.300 problem with it? I don't know where she stands. I don't know what their agreement are. I know it.

01:06:37.480 Here's my hypothetical. Is it immoral if she has no problem with it?

01:06:42.100 I don't want to speculate on what her position in all this is. The answer is no, it's not. It's not.

01:06:47.180 I don't want to speculate on what her position is in this. That's fine. I'm speculating. But I'm

01:06:51.260 saying to me, clearly she doesn't have a problem with it or she would have been gone. Well, I don't

01:06:55.660 think she would have married him. Right. Exactly. She knew what she was getting. His reputation as a

01:07:00.020 playboy was cemented by the time she married him. He was known as like the richest, biggest playboy in

01:07:05.640 New York. She'd been through a few wives. It was very clear. I'm just saying you get what you

01:07:11.960 get. You know what you're getting. We all do. Some people get surprised and they get cheated on.

01:07:16.200 That's one thing. But you marry Donald Trump. You know exactly what you're getting. And if she

01:07:20.400 didn't, she would have been out of here. She would have been. And I don't judge her. It's fine. This

01:07:24.200 is not how my marriage vows work. But some people have a different deal. Right. And it's not,

01:07:29.580 they're going to take it up with the Lord when they get up there. That's between them and him.

01:07:32.620 But down here on this earth, I am not in a position to say whether he committed

01:07:36.200 some transgression on her because I don't know what their deal is.

01:07:40.280 You know, it's possible actually that Melania wasn't bothered by the actual affair. If that's

01:07:47.300 true. I mean, she entered into a marriage with a man who was publicly, openly adulterous

01:07:52.580 and sort of proudly. It was kind of part of his vibe, his image, his shtick. He was selling it. He was

01:07:57.200 actually selling his adulterousness. That maybe the feigned outrage from the media is not even

01:08:04.560 something that Melania Trump ever experienced. Right. It's kind of interesting. Well, one of the

01:08:07.760 facts that came out of the trial was that when the Access Hollywood tape came out, she was the one who

01:08:12.300 said, dismiss it as locker room talk. It was Melania Trump who, you know, she, it doesn't sound

01:08:17.640 like she was horrified by this or I'm guessing, and I have no idea, but I'm guessing the deal is

01:08:22.760 you're going to be, you keep, keep it quiet, you know, or maybe there's an unspoken thing that

01:08:28.460 happens between some couples where it's like, I'm going to look the other way because I understand

01:08:32.340 what kind of a man I married and I don't expect lifetime fidelity, but I don't want to hear about

01:08:37.180 it. Right. And maybe the transgression was she wound up hearing about it. All of that would have

01:08:41.140 helped Trump in his trial. Right. Like I promised her the one thing she wouldn't have to do is hear

01:08:45.560 about it. That's why I paid the money. It had nothing to do with my election, whatever, but none of that

01:08:49.700 should have mattered. His subjective reasons for paying the money or having the money paid

01:08:52.520 were totally irrelevant. Never should have been allowed in. Um, all right, last but not least,

01:08:56.960 let's do Mehdi Hassan on, was he on MSNBC? Is he going on the network that now fired him?

01:09:02.600 It's so weird. They fired these people and then they invite them back on to do commentary. Here he is.

01:09:08.100 This is an entire political movement that came to power on the basis of lock her up. This party is

01:09:14.580 based on locking people up to the point where they want to lock up Anthony Fauci for trying to

01:09:18.440 prevent a pandemic. They want to lock up everyone. Yes. And then, and then you can't kind of blame

01:09:22.940 them, eh? Because they think in that mindset, so they think everyone else is like them. So part of

01:09:27.280 me doesn't blame them in their heads. They probably think, yes, this is the Democrats trying to do to

01:09:30.960 us what we do to them. When ironically, Joe Biden has gone out of his way to not be involved in this

01:09:36.340 trial. In fact, there are Democrats urging Biden, and I'm going to urge the president tonight,

01:09:40.160 to actually speak more about Trump's criminal convictions. Actually, Joe Biden should be posting on

01:09:45.760 Twitter every morning and every night. My opponent is a convicted felon. 9 a.m., 9 p.m. He should just

01:09:50.120 schedule the tweets for the next six months. But he doesn't. He goes out of his way to stay above

01:09:54.060 the fray. On the panel four, everyone shook their heads. Yes. Yes, he should be doing all the postings

01:09:58.620 all the time. Also, Mehdi Hassan saying that this is the party that ran on lock her up. I was thinking

01:10:04.720 the other day, like James Comey is arguably the guy who's at the top of the mountain having pushed the

01:10:09.820 snowball down the hill. Yes, that's exactly the problem, is that Hillary Clinton, for so many

01:10:15.600 Americans, Hillary Clinton, the wife of Bill Clinton, who a lot of people feel like oversaw

01:10:20.140 deindustrialization, lied, got away with it, et cetera, didn't go to prison or anything like that,

01:10:25.560 they feel like she got it off. She got off so easy. And here's Donald Trump. And it's one political

01:10:31.080 party persecuting another political party because they don't like those voters. And that's really visceral

01:10:37.380 to a lot of people around the country. So he's not saying anything that contrary, he's not making

01:10:41.520 them sound contradictory or hypocritical to even from somebody to the on the left, an anti-establishment

01:10:46.620 leftist like Mehdi Hassan should say, yeah, lock them all up. Let's do it.

01:10:52.000 How about the business of Anthony Fauci for for trying to prevent the pandemic? Sir, if anything,

01:10:57.840 the evidence suggests Anthony Fauci may have caused the pandemic through that very group we were just

01:11:03.800 discussing. EcoHealth Alliance funding gain of function research in the Wuhan lab. The truth is

01:11:09.760 never going to come in black and white because the Chinese won't allow us access to the data.

01:11:14.900 But there's more than enough evidence to make that conclusion. And I have made it. That is my opinion.

01:11:19.140 But he certainly didn't prevent the pandemic, the lies just like every turn. So in any event,

01:11:25.460 my own feeling is Trump should ride this wave for a little while and he should be righteously

01:11:29.840 indignant over what just happened to him and to us, to us, the American public and our legal system.

01:11:35.240 The rule of law was breached, but not by Trump, by them in this extraordinary extra legal prosecution

01:11:41.240 of a former president of the United States and chief political opponent to the sitting president.

01:11:44.920 And he should ride that piece of it, you know, but very soon he should pivot to just the key issues

01:11:51.920 that are that were driving people to him even before this week. Right. Immigration,

01:11:56.000 inflation, the economy, whether you were better four years ago than you are now,

01:12:00.960 Joe Biden's age and infirmity and all of it. We touched on this a minute ago.

01:12:04.920 I do think Trump's VP choice is more important now than ever.

01:12:08.480 Like, I think people realize like they're out to get Trump. They'll do it however they can. I mean,

01:12:13.600 I did hear speculation from some on the right. They're going to take him out. Like there's a lot

01:12:18.760 of worry. I don't even like to say it, but like they're worried that Trump is going to get

01:12:22.300 assassinated. Yeah. Um, and there's a chance Trump could be in jail, chance small, but between now

01:12:29.440 and November. So you need a good campaigner. You know, you need somebody out there who can campaign

01:12:33.760 for him, who's articulate, who's bright, who's savvy, who can fight with the press. So who is that?

01:12:40.520 What do you think, Aliana? I think there are a few things for him to think about. Um,

01:12:45.800 I think he needs someone who's perceived as serious on the issues. Somebody who could actually

01:12:52.680 govern, I think would help him because Trump is not perceived as particularly serious on some of

01:12:57.920 those things. Somebody who's disciplined. I think he needs someone who can help him raise money.

01:13:01.760 Um, they are not raising that. Look, the verdict helped them raise money, but overall, but overall

01:13:07.060 they're behind and all of this stuff is impairing Trump's ability to do that. So somebody who's

01:13:12.580 skilled at that would be good. An emissary to donors, um, I think is important. And third,

01:13:18.400 I think, um, somebody who's perceived as being able to do the job, who people are comfortable

01:13:23.360 with doing the job and who, who can unite different factions of the party. Um, Trump has two choices.

01:13:28.860 He can double down and get someone who's a super MAGA, or he can get someone who, um, could attract

01:13:35.200 independent, um, independent voters and could, you know, made different opinion, um, from him on

01:13:43.040 some things, but could convince Democrats and independents to come over. Um, there's a case to

01:13:47.920 be made for both. Um, but I think he would do well to pick someone who would unite the party and could

01:13:53.700 potentially attract independents and Democrats. The ones who are on the fence. People who are on the

01:13:59.120 fence. So in both of those categories, I'll just put an example. I would say you just described Tim

01:14:03.500 Scott for the independence potentially. And JD Vance for the, you like kind of doubling down

01:14:08.260 in the MAGA base. Yeah. He's the one that you could pass the MAGA baton to. Vivek Ramaswamy is

01:14:12.920 another one of those people. In the JD Vance lane. I think. But JD can raise money and Tim Scott can

01:14:18.000 raise money. They're both very connected, uh, to like fundraising. And neither one of them is so

01:14:22.740 unacceptable to like the more establishment Republicans that they'd be a deal breaker. You know,

01:14:27.200 that's true. Vivek's tougher. I think he's, I like him, but he's a tougher sell with,

01:14:31.180 with the establishment Republicans because it was Nikki Haley war. I don't think Trump would

01:14:36.060 even consider Nikki. He basically said as much. Um, there's too many core Republicans who are

01:14:40.660 really against her, but you could get somebody who's a little bit more establishment. If you're

01:14:45.540 Trump, you really have a decision to make about whether you want a pass the baton, the MAGA baton

01:14:50.140 to like a junior, not, there's no junior Trump. Well, there is actually an actual, you know what I mean?

01:14:55.400 Annalise Stefanik, um, is in there, but I think there are a couple of real contenders for the

01:15:01.300 position who we've seen go out and Trump turned the trial into a proxy campaign where he had these

01:15:06.280 people come up and give little campaign speeches from, I think Doug Burgum is a real contender for

01:15:11.120 this job. He's serious. He's wealthy. He's broadly acceptable to people and he's competent.

01:15:17.440 Yeah. Um, and he's, he's mildly attractive and he's handsome. He is handsome.

01:15:22.000 Jamie Vance is legit attractive. And I also, um, I think Tom Cotton could be a contender for this

01:15:29.740 job. Um, you know, he doesn't have the same charisma, but he's, he's acceptable to straddled

01:15:35.360 the MAGA wings, but he's a serious person. He's too conservative. He's too conservative. He doesn't

01:15:39.660 need the conservatives. He needs the more moderates. And that's true. And Burgum is like a blank slate

01:15:45.260 in certain ways. Yeah. He's like the patent attorney. And people are already

01:15:51.820 circulating opposition research on Burgum, which tells you that they have reason to believe it's

01:15:56.040 a very serious possibility. I'm just gonna throw this out there. I actually don't think Trump is

01:16:01.740 going to make a calculation. I need a woman. I need a minority. I think he's going to ignore all

01:16:05.700 of that and pick the person he thinks is genuinely going to help the ticket. Okay. So I, what his people

01:16:09.960 told me was that he's going to pick, just pick somebody he wants to be, to spend time with somebody

01:16:13.700 who he genuinely likes. And that made sense, but that was last September. Now, here we are five

01:16:18.820 months before the actual vote and truly like Trump could be going to jail. Like we said, if he does

01:16:25.340 not win, he's going to jail more than likely. And if I were Trump, that would make me look at not

01:16:32.860 Nikki Haley. Cause you know, you have like people like Tucker saying he would actively campaign

01:16:36.480 against that ticket, which does, Trump's got to pay some attention to that. Not, so not that far

01:16:41.300 establishment for the number two, but somebody who would bring in the moderate. DeSantis is a possibility

01:16:47.400 here. I also think. Although one of them would have to switch their residency because of the strangest

01:16:51.560 rule ever. All right. The president, vice president can't be the same. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And I think

01:16:55.840 Trump would sort of relish making somebody do that. You know, it's like a way for him to exert his

01:17:00.600 control over them. Um, but I think DeSantis would actually unite the party. Republicans like him. He's

01:17:06.740 serious. He's young. Um, you know, he's a fundraiser. He's not going to get independence

01:17:11.100 though. I think it's too soon after the failed campaign for DeSantis. I feel like he still has

01:17:14.820 the stench of the loss on him. I think he would be a fine choice. Like he's not perceived as

01:17:21.520 irresponsible. I would like that. What about our friend, Katie Britt? Is she out of contention?

01:17:28.180 I think she's out. She came on the show. I asked her about the weird voice and the biggest reveal of

01:17:34.120 the whole day was that's how she actually talks. I could, I was like, Oh my God, I was wrong. I was

01:17:43.700 wrong about your fake affect on the state of the union response. Cause that's how you actually speak.

01:17:48.000 Anyway, she was a nice lady, but she's out. She's out. Yeah. How about Christine? No,

01:17:52.240 dog killer. Oh, out, out, out. I think Tim Scott is a really sound possibility, but the other person I

01:17:58.480 would be looking at is JD Vance, especially because he can defending it's the law, the law fair really

01:18:03.440 articulately like that. He's also learned from this kind of like post Trump conservative approach to

01:18:09.120 media in a way that I don't think Tim Scott has nailed yet, which is to just demolish them. Yeah.

01:18:14.240 Flip the question. You don't have to worry about berating Wolf Blitzer. Here's the thing against JD

01:18:18.580 and I love him. I love him. He says what a, what a man he is and his wife. She's amazing. Usha.

01:18:23.520 Anyway, um, she clerked for John Roberts. The, the thing he has going against him is he was very

01:18:30.360 critical of Trump in 15, 16. And Trump has a very long memory for that. And even when he was doing

01:18:36.000 his like, Oh, this is like when, when he looked at Tim Scott and he was like, Oh yeah, he's diverse

01:18:40.660 diversity. I'm in favor of it. Diversity. You might say this is Trump's riff. So when he got to JD

01:18:47.360 Vance, the first thing that came to Trump's mind was he was very anti-Trump back in 15, 16.

01:18:52.540 So he said, but he's gone on to be a great Senator. He's very good in the U S Senate that just

01:18:59.300 telegraphed to me where Trump's head is on him, which doesn't say vice president. And here's my

01:19:03.940 second reason against JD. This is, I'm thinking like Trump now. He doesn't want someone he can't

01:19:09.180 control. And I think JD Vance has a very strong independent streak and he's young and ambitious.

01:19:15.880 I think Trump is threatened by that. That is what he's threatened by with Nikki. Yeah. Um, well,

01:19:20.660 she was so critical of him. That's that'll do it. And, but so, so the critical is a little bit

01:19:25.320 different. I think most of the people he's considering have said critical things about him.

01:19:29.300 It's true of Elise Stefanik. It's true of Nikki Haley. Uh, it's true of a lot of these guys that in

01:19:34.760 2015, they were not on team Trump. So I think Trump is going to have to stomach that with most of these

01:19:41.280 people to military industrial complex, tight with the donor class. I know you said that has his pluses,

01:19:46.540 but his base would be very against somebody with that profile. Trump likes it though. Trump is going

01:19:53.020 to want, he's going to want somebody who I think can personally write a check to him and he likes

01:20:00.840 rich people. That's true. She's not rich, but there are other people who are connected to the rich

01:20:05.560 people. I think that's appealing to him. Um, that he liked Rex Tillerson. Yeah, that's true. Not of

01:20:11.580 that. He was of the donor class. You think she's still got a shot? Um, I, I don't think she's leading

01:20:17.500 connection because I think he's, I think he doesn't trust her fully. I think he, he felt her

01:20:23.660 ambition. Wasn't she one of the ones who quit after January 6th? Um, no, she left way before.

01:20:29.700 Oh, that's right. She left two years. Oh, that was Betsy DeVos. Elaine Cho. Elaine Cho. That's one

01:20:36.860 of the reasons he hates her. Yeah. But then the question is for someone like Bergam, like Bergam

01:20:40.280 actually ran against him in the primary and so did DeSantis. So for all these guys, like, yeah,

01:20:44.840 he's got like, he's going to have to stomach. Some of them have criticized him. Yeah. Um, but

01:20:49.580 I do think for him, he like for him, it's going to be how ambitious are they and how eager are they

01:20:55.240 to shiv me once they're in the white house with me? It won't be Tulsi. Although Tulsi would have

01:21:01.380 a lot of, well, some are speculating about Sarah Huckabee Sanders now. I think she's, that's

01:21:06.260 interesting. That's very interesting. She won't shiv him. No. And she's beloved. She's got no bad

01:21:11.540 baggage. That would be a deal breaker for Republicans. And she's a serious person. She

01:21:15.240 is. She's likable. Yeah. Like she, she could win over. I mean, I realize Arkansas is considered

01:21:19.640 deep South and deep red, but. But so is North Dakota. Yeah. And so is Arkansas. I think it's

01:21:24.460 like, you know, with Tom Cotton. She would be, I know. Right. But I think Tom Cotton, he's got too

01:21:28.880 much controversy around him with independence. I like that. I just mean, I don't actually think

01:21:32.340 that's going to factor for Trump. I think he's going to pick. Jail. Yeah. That's why it should factor.

01:21:38.240 Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Like, I realize old Trump might be like, oh, who cares? But

01:21:41.680 new Trump needs to worry about prison. Like Tim Scott's not going to win him South Carolina,

01:21:46.220 you know? No, but he does win suburbs. And that's what, that's what Trump needs.

01:21:50.600 I think, and I think this is all going in favor of Tim Scott actually, because he's just a safe

01:21:55.120 option that also comes with advantages. He's close with the big donors. He's like really well liked

01:22:01.320 among suburban women in particular, can neutralize any Biden attempts to go after Trump as being a

01:22:06.880 racist or whatever. And he's, he's pretty like now passionate about defending Trump.

01:22:14.280 Did you happen to see the Ann Coulter clip with Vivek?

01:22:18.960 Yes. Of course.

01:22:20.600 Extraordinary.

01:22:21.300 It was.

01:22:21.840 I have to say Vivek handled himself beautifully in that exchange. She said, I like a lot of

01:22:27.060 your positions, but I won't be voting for you because you're an Indian. The only way, only

01:22:31.880 Ann could like, in like her timing was perfect. She she's like, because you're an Indian. She

01:22:37.400 says right to him. And he's like, expand on that. And then she says, we have a long tradition

01:22:44.280 in this country of electing wasps. And it's like baked into our country's DNA.

01:22:50.160 Oh, and I agreed with many, many things you said during, in fact, probably more than, than most

01:22:55.920 other candidates, um, when you were running for president, but I still would not have voted for

01:23:01.100 you. Um, because you're an Indian. There is a core, um, national identity that is the identity

01:23:09.340 of the wasp. And that doesn't mean we can't take anyone else in a Sri Lankan, um, or a Japanese or

01:23:17.060 an Indian, but the, the core around which the nation's values are formed is the wasp.

01:23:24.320 And he's like, basically he lets her play it out and he kind of says like, aren't you kind of doing

01:23:29.800 what the left does? Unlike, you know, identity politics is what should rule the day. And I view

01:23:35.840 people through these, you know, these prisms. There is a question about, you know, the Republican

01:23:42.260 party has not elected or nominated a black man as their president or vice president. And there's

01:23:51.460 got to be some calculation in Trump's head about whether that will help and hurt him getting,

01:23:55.040 getting real here. I mean, it's nice to say it'll be only a plus, but there's also some risk in it

01:24:00.740 because of as Ant puts it. Yeah. Not that we're agreeing with this. I'm just saying, no, yeah,

01:24:07.200 you got to be realistic. He wants, he wants every vote he can get. Yeah. That's true that he would,

01:24:11.580 I could see him like calculating that. Although there are, I mean, there's a big chunk of this country

01:24:16.480 that's Obama Trump voters, arguably a demographic that was super influential in him defeating Hillary

01:24:22.040 Clinton in the electoral college in 2016. So I don't know that it would actually be a problem.

01:24:28.080 And I feel like he could probably be persuaded that it wouldn't be a problem. In fact, if anything,

01:24:32.380 the numbers that we've seen among Trump with black men in particular, yes, if anything, he could even

01:24:38.220 widen that margin, which is already impressive and already enough to make Democrats nervous in a state

01:24:43.900 like my home state of Wisconsin, where you've really always had this big divide between the urban voters

01:24:49.240 and people elsewhere. Let me ask you a question on that. How do you think black men will vote for,

01:24:53.320 are more likely to vote for Trump if he, if he has Tim Scott as his running mate? Because I think

01:24:57.160 women are no more likely to vote for Trump if he chooses a woman. Like I wouldn't vote for him

01:25:01.540 more because he chose a woman. I think black men like Trump because they like his economic policies

01:25:05.820 and they like his strength. There's a lot to like about him having nothing to do with identity politics.

01:25:09.600 I think that's true. I mean, I just don't think vice presidential picks make that big of a difference,

01:25:13.440 but anyway, but it's such a close election that it's possible. Tim Scott has connections and like,

01:25:19.860 he's able to do events in the black community in a way that other people can't. He's able to like

01:25:23.680 get out the vote in black community and black communities in ways no other Republicans can.

01:25:28.600 So it's so optimistic. Like his message is so I'm bearish on him for that reason. Actually,

01:25:35.580 I think we, um, no, I am bearish. I'm just on his, on, in terms of his chances for being

01:25:43.340 selected. I am bearish on him because I think we saw in the primary that he was not a vicious

01:25:51.680 killer campaigner. He is optimistic clouds and rainbows. And oftentimes the job of a vice

01:25:58.740 presidential candidate is to do the negative, vicious campaigning. And Trump values that.

01:26:06.980 I think he's going to want like a vicious cold killer. And frankly, that's something some of

01:26:13.080 these other guys like do quite well. Who would be the best vicious killer?

01:26:17.360 Oh, but just imagine Tim Scott and Kamala Harris in a debate.

01:26:20.060 Oh my gosh. That would be fun.

01:26:21.720 I'd buy a ticket to that. Yeah.

01:26:24.040 Who would be the best vicious killer? Elise Stefanik. She'd be good.

01:26:28.060 Tulsi Gabbard would be vicious.

01:26:29.260 Tulsi has already demolished Kamala Harris. So in a vice presidential debate, that would be fun.

01:26:39.580 And you know, I, it's, she's interesting cause she would get some crossover. She's have some,

01:26:43.200 she'd have some appeal to those independents. And the one downside to Tulsi is like the Republican

01:26:49.000 base might be like, she was a Democrat two minutes ago, but I feel like the Republicans are so motivated

01:26:53.660 right now. They're not going to care. I don't, I don't think Tulsi's the smart bet, but she's

01:26:58.400 interesting. I vote for that. I'd vote for that ticket. I'd love to see her. All right. Stand

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01:28:09.820 Welcome back to the Megan Kelly show. I want to tell you something big happening in the world of

01:28:13.700 social media. Back in June of 2020, you may remember the platform known as Parler. I joined it back then.

01:28:20.560 And just a few months later, we booked then CEO John Mates as a guest on an episode about the rise

01:28:26.180 of independent media. You know, they're always saying to conservatives, build your own lanes

01:28:29.740 if you don't like all the censorship. Well, this was one of the lanes that was built. Then came

01:28:34.220 January 6th. A week later, we had Mates on the show, but it was a very different sort of interview

01:28:39.160 because after the J6 riot at the Capitol, Parler saw probably the most egregious form of censorship

01:28:45.680 in years. The media reported that some of the participants in that riot had used Parler to

01:28:50.580 communicate, but it was way more prevalent on Facebook. Hello. And so Amazon and others

01:28:56.300 killed the app. It was removed from Apple and Google, and it was kicked off of Amazon web services

01:29:03.980 and it never recovered. It was absurd. Well, the app has since gone through several different owners,

01:29:10.460 but there's news I can reveal for the first time today. Parler is back. The platform that focuses

01:29:17.020 on free speech has returned ad-free and with its own Parler cloud this time, so it can never be taken

01:29:24.340 offline again. This is good. This is good. Even though Elon owns X now, which is a positive development,

01:29:30.180 it's great to have a lot of competition in the conservative space and with people who just

01:29:33.960 aren't pro censorship. And that has been Parler. Plus the new owners have successfully retrieved

01:29:40.640 all user data so everyone can reactivate their dormant accounts and pick up the conversation

01:29:47.020 where you left off. You'll get all your same followers that you left behind when they went

01:29:51.660 away, when they disappeared into the ether. So I will be back posting there this week. Check it out.

01:29:56.320 If you're interested, follow me there at the username Megan Kelly. Good for you, Parler. Don't let

01:30:01.080 them keep you down. Um, okay. So it's pride month and the nonsense has already kicked off.

01:30:06.900 Now this wasn't officially part of pride month. Okay. But I've got to show it to you because it's

01:30:11.760 the most disgusting thing I've seen online in a long time. RuPaul's drag show. You saw this

01:30:17.260 some nutcase who calls herself a trans man, which means fake, fake man, just substitute him fake for

01:30:23.820 trans. And you'll always know what you're dealing with. Um, trans man is a fake man, a real woman

01:30:28.400 masquerading as a man decided to go in this drag show with a pair, with a, with an outfit that had

01:30:34.480 fake breasts. Keep in mind, this woman actually at one point had actual breasts being cut off of her.

01:30:42.720 She's walking down the, look at this. This is so disgusting and misogynistic in her bag are fake

01:30:49.960 bloody breasts walking down. This is the most disgusting, misogynistic, hateful thing I have

01:30:58.160 ever seen. And it was on paramount plus and normalized and praised. Do we have the thought

01:31:05.140 of them praising? Up next got Mick now starring in X plant two electric boogaloo. This look is

01:31:14.380 something I have been wanting to do for so long because top surgery absolutely changed my life. So I

01:31:21.080 molded my arms. They're wrapping around me with scalpels. I have Swarovski crystal blood. I have a

01:31:28.580 ponytail and I have two Swarovski crystal tits in a bag. It is everything. That's so fierce. It's so

01:31:37.260 gorgeous. Oh my God. Way to glamorize violence against women, the chopping off of female body

01:31:47.960 parts. Got Mick, you're disgusting. RuPaul, your entire show is filthy and you owe all of womankind

01:31:55.600 an apology. That is the gnarliest thing I've ever had to see on television. Paramount plus,

01:32:01.880 do you believe this shit? Swarovski blood. I mean, that's, there are a lot of women who suffer with

01:32:09.260 that feeling of dysphoria in their body and dysphoria. I mean, the goal of treating dysphoria

01:32:13.940 is to make you feel at harmony with your body. Again, the blood and the slicing. That's not what

01:32:20.200 that is. That's not what that is. That's disgusting. It's like celebration of mutilation and self-harm

01:32:27.140 that what, you know, young daughters who think the RuPaul drag queen show would be fun just as

01:32:34.040 your channel surfing. You've got to see chopped up boobs being swung around and a panel of men

01:32:40.080 dresses, women saying gorgeous, right on. The thing that that's disturbing and upsetting, but the thing

01:32:48.940 that is I think harmful about that is that like gender dysphoria is, is not normal. It's a, it's a

01:32:59.980 like minority thing. And we don't try to normalize anorexia or anything else that, or addiction and

01:33:10.320 parade it on runways to be celebrated. Like we say, these things are diseases to be treated.

01:33:16.900 Um, we don't say this is beautiful and we should make fashion around it. And the fashion world has

01:33:24.420 been rightfully criticized for propping up and celebrating things that cause harms to harm to

01:33:30.560 women's health, such as overly thin bodies and is correcting for that at the same time that they're

01:33:38.240 like propping up something else that is harmful. Can you imagine trying to suggest that it's normal?

01:33:43.240 It's exactly the same thing. Like being as thin as fashion models were is not normal for women.

01:33:47.620 They shouldn't believe it. And neither is removing one's breasts. Can you totally healthy breasts by

01:33:52.520 the way? Can you, can you imagine what, what would happen if they had an anorexic walking down the

01:33:56.880 runway, holding like pounds of her fat that she had had lipoed while she looks like she's on death

01:34:02.240 store. And then, or like an addict whose teeth had fallen out from all the drug use, like swinging her

01:34:07.300 bags of teeth around and everybody like gorgeous. You go girl, you hurt yourself just as much as you

01:34:13.300 want to do it all the way to the grave. We'll be here making money off of you and applauding the

01:34:17.680 whole thing. This is a new low. It's so light too. I mean, the way that they act is it's just

01:34:22.540 beautiful. It's light. It's not a debate. You know, there's nothing you would never know that

01:34:26.400 that was controversial from that clip because it's on Paramount plus it's being sponsored by a major

01:34:31.420 corporation. It's on one of the most popular shows. I mean, it's just, it's a comedy show and

01:34:37.240 that's not beautiful. It's not something, I mean, that's agony for people who experience it. So to

01:34:42.400 treat it like it's a light and beautiful thing, it just goes to show that they really want people's

01:34:45.880 bodies to be treated as widgets. Now you can, if you're unhappy with your breasts, you chop them off

01:34:49.580 and you make a joke about it on a comedy show. I, I lost my show at NBC because I said people used to

01:34:56.800 wear these costumes where they would tint their skin and it wasn't treated as controversial.

01:35:02.720 Roseanne got fired for her comment at ABC. She hosted the number one show in all of television

01:35:07.800 about Valerie Jarrett. And she says it's a case of racial misgendering because she thought Valerie

01:35:11.820 Jarrett was white. This is totally fine. No one's going to lose their job for glamorizing violence

01:35:19.360 against women, whether it's self-harm or otherwise imposed. And by the way, this is both. This is somebody

01:35:24.020 choosing to chop off her healthy breasts and a surgeon willingly chopping off somebody's healthy

01:35:28.720 body parts. And then a room full of men celebrating it like RuPaul, as if it's as normal as a daisy,

01:35:35.360 like it's totally fine. Bring it on. And young girl sitting at home thinking this is something

01:35:39.980 beautiful to be glamorized, the chopping off of healthy body parts. Fuck these people. I'm sorry,

01:35:45.180 but this is depraved. There's something seriously wrong with this. Swarovski blood. I cannot get over that.

01:35:50.180 I cannot get over that. I mean, it is that we reached out to Paramount plus and said, do you stand

01:35:55.480 behind this? Is this, is this what you want children to be seeing as they watch your disgusting

01:35:59.800 channel? Not surprisingly, they didn't get back to us. Also, is this what you want pride month to be?

01:36:03.900 Right. Is this the face of pride, pride month, the body of pride month? This is what is being

01:36:08.400 celebrated. That's how you're going to kick it. That's what you're asking me to celebrate with

01:36:11.180 your flag. Right. No, is my answer. Right. Not happening. Sorry to end on the dark note, but I've been

01:36:17.700 meaning to get to that. And I didn't think I'd get a better panel on that than you guys. I should

01:36:20.940 so, so gross. And it's so alarming. And like, it's like, why isn't everybody speaking out against

01:36:25.500 this? Like, why don't we have everybody saying you've gone too far? That's wrong. We don't want

01:36:29.980 that on regular television. Well, I think the truth is that, um, gays and lesbians really have been

01:36:38.680 normalized in society. And so pride month has moved way beyond that to things that actually are.

01:36:44.420 And so now the efforts are to, um, to push things that really are on the edge of medical

01:36:50.740 technology, um, into the mainstream and have them be what the gay, you know, what the gay pride

01:36:58.880 movement was 20 or 30 years ago, um, such that we won't even blink an eye at it or have any kind

01:37:05.720 of reaction. We're blinking three decades from now. We're blinking and we're not done. Um,

01:37:11.080 we're not done. Paramount plus this is not the last you've heard of us, Emily, Eliana.

01:37:15.260 Thank you both so much. Great to see you here in person tomorrow. We got another in-person

01:37:19.260 guest. Dave Rubin will be with me for the full show. We'll see you then.

01:37:26.140 Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

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Hunter Biden's Criminal Trial Begins, and Media Celebrates Trump Verdict, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson ｜ Ep. 808

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