The Megyn Kelly Show - Hunter Biden Texts Torpedo His Defense, and Kamala Calls Trump ＂Cheater,＂ with Viva Frei and Phil Holloway ｜ Ep. 810

00:00:00.540 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:12.400 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.380 My God, the show we have for you today. Stay tuned.

00:00:19.340 The Vice President of the United States has decided to weigh in on Trump's conviction last week.

00:00:26.060 The White House has been so careful. Joe Biden only said convicted felon behind closed doors.

00:00:32.300 Then boom, Kamala Harris goes on with Jimmy Kimmel and drops a bomb saying this is what happens when you're a cheater. 1.00

00:00:42.940 He's a cheater. This is going to play in, I'm going to play it for you in a second, perfectly to what's happening right now with Hunter Biden.

00:00:52.860 All right. There's a lot to discuss in the Hunter Biden case. I'm actually finding it really interesting.

00:00:57.600 I have to be honest, like up until now, not so much. But now that the prosecution is putting it on its case, it's getting very juicy.

00:01:03.840 And let me show you what I have here for the for the listening audience.

00:01:07.500 It is a 75 page exhibit to the viewing audience can see I've got all my purple tabs on there because I'm going to walk you through his text messages.

00:01:16.080 This guy who's now claiming he wasn't addicted in October of 18 when he bought the gun.

00:01:21.620 OK, wait until you hear his texts. You'll decide for yourselves whether he's got any defense here.

00:01:30.260 All right. So let me just get you up to speed overall before we get into the specifics here.

00:01:33.380 However, the jury is sitting and hearing the trial of President Joe Biden's son this week.

00:01:40.020 He is accused of having lied on his gun application form and of having possessed the gun illegally because he was an active user or an addict at the time.

00:01:50.280 And thanks to the audio book of his own memoir.

00:01:54.000 Remember, we talked about this when he released it, saying this is not going to be good for him.

00:01:57.420 He's potentially facing charges and this won't be good.

00:02:00.020 Well, it's it's not good. It's one of the linchpins of the prosecution's case against him.

00:02:04.860 And we're going to bring you some of it today.

00:02:07.200 They are being introduced to the evidence.

00:02:10.200 And this is what I really want to get to.

00:02:11.980 The so-called laptop from hell, which we heard for so long was just Russian disinformation.

00:02:19.660 Really? It was just introduced by the government.

00:02:24.300 You think about the role this thing played in the 2020 election, this laptop and the role that this administration and their media enablers and these former Intel officials all played to make sure that we dismissed that thing.

00:02:48.960 And now the government is standing up in court, representing to a jury through testimony and argument that it is Hunter Biden's, that they've known it for a long, long time.

00:03:00.420 And not just the FBI or the IRS whistleblowers.

00:03:03.720 We already heard this story from them.

00:03:05.280 This is the actual FBI on the stand under oath saying, yeah, we knew we knew all along.

00:03:12.200 It's it's extraordinary.

00:03:13.460 We're going to get into all of this today with Viva Frye, he's a former litigator and Rumble creator, and Phil Holloway, legal analyst and host of Inside the Law on YouTube.

00:03:24.980 Viva and Phil, so happy you guys are here.

00:03:27.200 You guys are the perfect panel to go over what's happening.

00:03:30.540 Let's kick it off with that Kamala Harris thought on with Jimmy Kimmel last night.

00:03:34.280 Watch this.

00:03:34.660 A jury of 12 people, peers, over the course of six weeks, deliberated on the evidence and facts and unanimously determined guilt.

00:03:47.960 The reality is cheaters don't like getting caught.

00:03:52.540 Wow.

00:03:53.960 It goes on.

00:03:55.080 We'll play a longer soundbite later.

00:03:56.740 That's the reality of the Trump trial, according to our sitting vice president.

00:03:59.380 He's a cheater.

00:04:00.100 He cheated to win the 2016 election.

00:04:05.340 And the reason he's upset now is because he got caught.

00:04:09.580 Unbelievable, Viva.

00:04:10.820 They said it wasn't a political persecution.

00:04:13.460 And then they hold a press conference and bring Robert De Niro to endorse President Biden or Joe Biden outside the courthouse.

00:04:20.760 I would have asked Kamala Harris if she could even identify what the predicate crimes were that bumped this otherwise misdemeanor prescribed charge into a 34 count felony.

00:04:31.920 And now they're going around doing the rounds on Jimmy Kimmel.

00:04:34.940 This is nothing shy of the most insidious propaganda ever.

00:04:39.260 Jimmy Kimmel, the man who wanted to let Wheezy die because he wasn't getting the jab, is now hosting Kamala Harris, who is politicizing this political persecution.

00:04:47.120 And they've got their talking points.

00:04:49.560 It was only about the talking points.

00:04:51.960 Alex Soros, I don't know if you saw this, took to Twitter to say the strategy out loud.

00:04:56.380 Keep repeating convicted felon because that's all they wanted.

00:04:59.180 This will get overturned on appeal if there's any justice system left in America.

00:05:03.000 But for the time being, they're going to run with their convicted felon for the election interference that this always was from the get go.

00:05:08.320 So, Phil, for this campaign, for this, I mean, for this woman who came to office in part thanks to this BS denial of what was on the Hunter Biden laptop, right?

00:05:24.360 As soon as that thing broke, showing evidence of Joe Biden's corruption, I mean, through his son for years and the administration worked with the media and with these intel officials to suppress that thing immediately, costing President Trump real and actual votes.

00:05:43.420 We know that from the polls that were done after the fact to get up there and lament how people who cheat to win get upset when they get caught is rich.

00:05:54.880 Well, she's obviously speaking to the low information voter, especially when you've got these canned talking points, Megan, where they're talking about, oh, he's a convicted felon.

00:06:07.200 He had a jury of his peers and all this stuff.

00:06:09.880 Listen, if juries always got it right, we wouldn't need appeals courts now, would we?

00:06:14.580 And by the same token, juries are only as good as the information that they get fed.

00:06:20.040 And who's in charge of feeding them information?

00:06:22.100 You got the likes of Alvin Bragg, who can't even articulate what the crime is that he's charging.

00:06:28.240 And you've got Judge Mershon, who has shown at every turn how he only is interested in one thing, and that is getting Trump as well.

00:06:38.020 So Mershon, Bragg, the Manhattan jury, they're all on the same team, which is get Trump.

00:06:43.960 Well, now that they've had a jury verdict, and by the way, it's not a jury of Donald Trump's peers, not under any stretch of the imagination.

00:06:51.880 But now that they've got that, they've got their talking points.

00:06:54.500 And what you see from the vice president to other politicians in Washington and those in the media, convicted felon, convicted felon, convicted felon.

00:07:02.580 And you're going to hear that for the duration of the campaign.

00:07:05.820 And once there's a sentencing, we might hear incarcerated or probationer or things like that or house arrest or whatever the judge comes up with.

00:07:14.720 Those are the things that they're going to be drum beating all the way to November.

00:07:19.260 What happens if Hunter Biden, though?

00:07:20.980 What happens if he gets convicted?

00:07:22.500 Are they going to stand by there?

00:07:24.380 Well, he got convicted by a jury of his peers.

00:07:26.880 No, they're not.

00:07:27.800 They're going to call it something else.

00:07:29.500 They're going to minimize it.

00:07:31.280 It's pick-and-choose politics, and they're talking to the low-information voter.

00:07:36.300 You're absolutely right.

00:07:37.340 The amazing moment, because I know you guys, and I know you in particular, Viva, covered the whole laptop from hell suppression quite extensively.

00:07:48.100 And to see now what happened in the court yesterday, this federal witness, her name is FBI Special Agent Erica Jensen.

00:07:57.500 She was used by the prosecution, all right?

00:08:00.740 This is the government, Special Counsel Weiss, getting up there to verify that that laptop is indeed Hunter Biden's.

00:08:10.240 And they went through all the facts, all right?

00:08:13.200 The federal prosecutor, Derek Hines, questioned Erica Jensen, FBI Special Agent, on the laptop, and exactly how federal investigators verified its data.

00:08:24.520 And let me just give you a couple of key facts.

00:08:26.340 By the way, follow National Review's James Lynch for good coverage of the Hunter trial.

00:08:32.040 I'm going here off of his report and my own reporting on the side.

00:08:37.420 Okay.

00:08:38.920 Jensen detailed how law enforcement obtained the laptop's hard drive in the fall of 2019 after receiving a tip from a computer store.

00:08:47.600 All right, so fall of 2019 is when the FBI obtained the laptop.

00:08:54.920 They used forensic tools to extract data from the laptop after obtaining a search warrant December 13th, 2019.

00:09:02.480 December 13th.

00:09:03.660 So by that date, they knew.

00:09:06.020 They knew that it was Hunter's.

00:09:07.320 And they went through exactly how they figured it out, that they cross-referenced Hunter Biden's iCloud storage accounts with the computer's serial number.

00:09:15.940 This is all testified to by the FBI agent, okay?

00:09:18.980 Again, by December of 2019, when did the New York Post report come out about the Hunter Biden laptop and its explosive contents?

00:09:30.160 A year later, October 19th, 2020.

00:09:35.440 At that time, the FBI not only had the laptop, they had verified beyond measure that it was Hunter Biden's to the point where they could testify to it in a court of law.

00:09:48.680 And yet, we had the 51 former intelligence agencies come out on that same date, October 19th, 2020, to say, this is the headline on Politico, Hunter Biden's story is Russian disinfo, according to these people.

00:10:08.580 And it goes on and on and on.

00:10:10.860 They, all these people who signed this letter, Viva, these are former intel officials.

00:10:16.240 These are former CIA, former FBI, former NSA.

00:10:19.040 They, you're going to tell me not one called a person at the FBI to say, have you guys gotten wind of this?

00:10:26.060 This, I know we know this, but it's extraordinary to see the FBI now saying it openly that it was his, they knew it was his, and they knew it at the time the New York Post story hit.

00:10:35.660 And yet, John Brennan and all the others came out and said, disinformation, and you've got the person they were trying to help, Kamala Harris and her boss, Joe Biden.

00:10:48.080 But she's speaking for them saying, cheaters get upset when they get caught.

00:10:54.640 Megan, it's even more insidious because those 51 intelligence officers, former and present, whatever, they didn't say it was Russian disinformation.

00:11:02.040 They said it bore the earmarks or bore the hallmarks of Russian disinformation, which allows them to say, we never said anything factually incorrect.

00:11:10.840 It was accurate, but it bore the earmarks of Russian disinformation.

00:11:14.980 You want to talk about actual election interference.

00:11:17.660 This is actual election interference.

00:11:19.600 It is intelligence lying to the public during an election cycle, pressuring social media to suppress the story that they know is true while, you know, cloaking the lie in something that is semantically ambiguous.

00:11:33.220 Its actual election interference, the ultimate irony in all of this, I have this idea like a sitcom, that it's about an abused son and daughter of a former president, of a vice president to be president, who hate their dad so much because of the childhood abuse that they endured, that they try to sabotage his presidency or, you know, climb into the presidency at every turn that he can do.

00:11:53.600 So they leave the laptop with incriminating, the most incriminating stuff ever, but intelligence foils the plan.

00:12:00.260 The daughter leaves her diary somewhere, but intelligence comes in and says it's fake.

00:12:03.940 It was stolen.

00:12:04.720 And these kids who are trying to sabotage their father because they hate him can't get away with it because of the corruption of the system.

00:12:10.280 This is, I mean, it's third world Eastern European. 0.66

00:12:14.640 Everybody knew that it was accurate while they were lying about it in order to impact the outcome of an election.

00:12:19.720 And I had Garrett Ziegler on the guy who wrote the Marco Polo manual breaking down this computer.

00:12:26.520 It contains stuff which, if it were anybody else, they'd be in jail already for a long time because although there is arguably but not arguably not minor stuff on that computer, there is sufficient evidence to support, at the very least, charges or potential charges for cross-state sex trafficking.

00:12:43.060 But it's the president's son.

00:12:45.280 This would have impacted the election.

00:12:47.160 They lied about it.

00:12:48.140 They suppressed it.

00:12:49.080 They coerced social media companies to suppress it.

00:12:51.320 They won.

00:12:52.040 And now they accuse Trump of interfering with elections or cheating and getting caught.

00:12:56.000 They are.

00:12:57.120 Go for it.

00:12:57.860 Sorry.

00:12:58.060 That guy, Garrett Ziegler.

00:12:59.180 I haven't listened to that show, Viva, but I will.

00:13:03.080 He was in court.

00:13:04.320 He's been in court following this case very closely with Hunter Biden.

00:13:07.700 And Hunter Biden's current wife called him a Nazi yesterday.

00:13:13.520 Like, what are you doing here?

00:13:15.360 Just to pick up on something you just said, because you're right, those 50, 51 intelligence agencies, the headline said Hunter Biden's story is Russian disinfo.

00:13:24.720 That was from Politico and Natasha Bertrand, who is among the worst, if not the worst, and just reprinting propaganda being handed to her to hurt Trump and help Biden.

00:13:35.020 Glenn Greenwald goes off on her all the time.

00:13:38.500 But she's the one that's this is her story.

00:13:41.480 But if you read the body of their letter, they're dancing all around it.

00:13:45.020 But here.

00:13:45.720 But just take a listen, because I just want to go back to this.

00:13:47.840 You know, I just had this debate with Bill Maher, right?

00:13:49.520 Like, what was their election interference and are the Democrats election deniers and all that stuff?

00:13:54.820 But here in this in this Politico article, this is 10, 19, 2020.

00:13:59.200 We are two weeks away from the presidential election.

00:14:02.540 Here's what they say.

00:14:04.020 But quoting here, they talk about what's in the letter, has quote that they concluded, has all the classic earmarks of a Russian of a Russian information operation, that their experience in intel has made them deeply suspicious that the Russian government played a significant role here.

00:14:22.300 If we are right, they added, this is Russia trying to influence how Americans vote in this election.

00:14:26.260 And we believe strongly that the Americans need to be aware of this.

00:14:28.800 Now, listen to this paragraph.

00:14:30.760 Nick Shapiro, a former top aide under CIA director John Brennan, provided Politico with a letter on Monday.

00:14:37.080 He noted that the intelligence community leaders who have signed this letter, quoting here, worked for the past four presidents, including Trump.

00:14:43.680 The real power here, however, is in the number of former working level IC officers, intelligence community officers who want the American people to know that once again, the Russians are interfering.

00:14:57.940 So it's fine.

00:14:59.380 The letter did say, I mean, the clear intent and import of the letter was to tell everybody the Hunter Biden laptop is fake.

00:15:06.500 And now we've had person after person come out to say, no, I mean, media organizations had to eventually admit, OK, it's been verified, but they knew it was verified.

00:15:15.440 The FBI and the intel community knew they knew at the time they dropped this letter that it wasn't fake, that it had been verified by the FBI as this agent testified to today on the stand.

00:15:27.420 Phil, and just just to take you back at the complete propaganda we were being fed before the presidential election in 2020, the piece goes on.

00:15:36.460 The New York Times raised questions on Sunday about the rigor of The New York Post's reporting process, revealing that several of its reporters had refused to put their name on the Biden stories because they were concerned about the authenticity of the materials.

00:15:53.040 The Post stood by its reporting saying it was vetted before publication that, right?

00:15:59.340 This is Politico saying all of us respectable journalists, including The New York Times, recognize a disinformation operation when we see it, unlike the dumbasses at The New York Post.

00:16:09.540 All the shit went down weeks before the election, and now they're all on the stand like, of course it was real.

00:16:16.020 Well, you know, the biggest crime that I can see is I don't have a problem really so much because we expect campaigns to spin things and but it did rise in the media to the level of outright propaganda that was designed to help one of the camp candidates and hurt the other one.

00:16:35.500 But the real crime was using Facebook and Twitter at the time and social media to censor the story.

00:16:43.120 You couldn't even link to it if you tried to because that's where so many people in this day and age get their information.

00:16:50.060 They don't watch regular TV anymore.

00:16:52.300 It's going to be on YouTube.

00:16:54.140 It's going to be on X.

00:16:55.640 It's going to be on Facebook, Snapchat, whatever.

00:16:58.580 But you just could not access the information.

00:17:01.120 You could not share the information because there was this, I guess, this cohesive effort, if you will.

00:17:09.200 Let's call it a cabal that entered into some type of a grand conspiracy.

00:17:13.560 I'll even use that word to basically make sure that all the information that anybody got was pure propaganda.

00:17:22.560 Now, that is like Soviet-style stuff right there.

00:17:25.680 I don't begrudge a campaign for wanting to spin it.

00:17:27.980 You're right.

00:17:29.040 Soviet-style.

00:17:29.780 Exactly.

00:17:30.340 So watch this.

00:17:31.120 Just a quick flashback.

00:17:32.260 We're going to move forward, but we've got to spend a minute on this.

00:17:34.340 It's just incredible.

00:17:35.420 It's what a day to have them on the stand just saying, yeah, yep, knew it all along.

00:17:40.340 Here is the presidential debate with Kristen Welker of NBC showing zero interest in the laptop from hell. 0.98

00:17:50.900 Watch.

00:17:51.860 So don't give me the stuff about how you're this innocent baby.

00:17:55.540 Joe, they're calling you a corrupt politician.

00:17:58.000 Hey, President Trump, I want to stay on the issue.

00:18:01.120 We're talking about the laptop from hell.

00:18:03.640 Fifty former national intelligence folks who said that what this he's accusing me of is a Russian plant.

00:18:11.540 They have said that this has all the care.

00:18:14.000 Four, five former heads of the CIA, both parties say what he's saying is a bunch of garbage.

00:18:20.960 Nobody believes it except of his and his good friend Rudy Gialli.

00:18:24.960 You mean the laptop is now another Russia, Russia, Russia hoax?

00:18:29.280 That's exactly what this is where he's going.

00:18:33.720 The laptop is Russia.

00:18:35.420 Gentlemen, I want to stay on the issue of race.

00:18:37.520 You have to be kidding.

00:18:38.820 Here we go again with Russia. 0.96

00:18:42.280 Unbelievable.

00:18:42.640 And let's point out, Viva, at the time of that debate, Joe Biden had to have known the laptop was real as well, not only because of his connections to his son, but because of his connections, too, as the former vice president to the intel community and all those people who wrote the letter.

00:19:01.800 Go ahead.

00:19:01.980 If he didn't know, it's because they deliberately withheld.

00:19:05.960 It's impossible that he didn't know.

00:19:07.460 It's implausible.

00:19:08.080 It's laughably stupid.

00:19:09.420 Every single one of those 51 intelligence officers should be fired and they should be charged because if they can find a 34 felony charge for Trump because he misclassified some clerical entry into his books, they can find one where there's actual lying to the American people and election interference and appreciate how it works.

00:19:28.600 It's like Operation Mockingbird 2.0, disinformation laundering.

00:19:32.580 The headlines are an oversimplified version of the lie in the letter.

00:19:36.220 And so technically they never lied in the letter because it's always like, oh, it bears the earmarks of campaigns.

00:19:42.160 We know that the headline comes out and says Russian disinfo.

00:19:45.120 The president or Biden himself comes up and says it.

00:19:48.280 It's outright election interference.

00:19:50.660 They are the criminals they accuse Trump of.

00:19:52.460 And now the world is seeing it lay bare, but it's too late to do anything.

00:19:56.400 And people are sort of fatigued.

00:19:57.380 They just want to move on and go on with another election that's going to get stolen.

00:20:00.460 No, I refuse to let them move on.

00:20:02.320 We have to spend a more like it's like that's what as I was reading, preparing for today, I'm like, no, we are spending time on this.

00:20:09.100 What is now an old story, this laptop, because it's on the stand right now.

00:20:13.540 This is it.

00:20:14.280 The big admission that it was all real and that everything around it was a lie, though they're not highlighting part two.

00:20:20.540 Remember the Leslie Stahl interview with Trump, Phil, where Trump, he taped it himself and released his own full video of their exchange.

00:20:33.160 But 60 minutes that, you know, the vaunted 60 minutes at the time before the election saying as follows.

00:20:40.160 I think it's one of the biggest scandals I've ever seen.

00:20:44.760 And you don't cover it.

00:20:46.520 You want to talk about it?

00:20:48.060 Well, because it can't be verified.

00:20:49.460 You want to talk about insignificant things.

00:20:51.720 I'm telling you.

00:20:52.540 Of course it can be verified.

00:20:54.120 Excuse me.

00:20:54.740 They found the laptop.

00:20:56.080 Leslie, Leslie.

00:20:57.100 It can't be verified.

00:20:58.240 What can be verified?

00:20:59.460 The laptop.

00:21:00.480 Why do you say that?

00:21:01.380 Even the family hasn't, the family on the laptop, he's gone into hiding for five days.

00:21:10.080 He's gone into hiding.

00:21:11.260 He's preparing for your debate.

00:21:12.820 Oh, it's taken him five days to prepare.

00:21:14.560 I doubt it.

00:21:15.320 I doubt it.

00:21:15.940 Okay.

00:21:17.660 And then when he tried to raise it at the debate, you saw what Kristen Welker did. 1.00

00:21:21.660 It's just, this is why people on the right are so angry and why the left just doesn't get it when they dismiss, you know, rigged election as, oh, you're just a conspiracy theorist.

00:21:34.840 No, this happened.

00:21:36.380 This is verifiable.

00:21:37.760 The laptop is, and so is this story.

00:21:40.720 The conspiracy is not a theory if it's true.

00:21:42.680 And the mastermind behind it, let's not forget, was Anthony Blinken, who's now our secretary of state.

00:21:47.420 He was the political operative that was inside the Biden campaign that was sort of organized this whole thing and got all the signatures on that letter and everything.

00:21:56.160 And now the man is the secretary of state of the United States.

00:21:59.180 He's the person who is supposedly on the world stage, you know, trying to deal with the wars that are going on both in the Ukraine and, of course, over in Israel.

00:22:08.420 And this, you know, this is his pedigree.

00:22:11.640 He is the actual architect of this misinformation conspiracy campaign to cause the media to further regurgitate pure propaganda that they knew was lies.

00:22:24.820 Right now in that courtroom, as you pointed out, this laptop had to be authenticated by federal agents.

00:22:31.340 Every piece of evidence that goes into a courtroom has to be authentic.

00:22:35.140 And you've got to be able to prove that it's authentic.

00:22:37.260 And you do that with certain types of witnesses who can verify that it is what it purports to be, in this case, Hunter Biden's laptop.

00:22:46.220 And the information on there was, in fact, his.

00:22:49.560 And this was just a couple of three short years ago.

00:22:52.500 But the American public just doesn't seem to want to even think about it.

00:22:56.580 They want to move on.

00:22:57.480 And it's good that we're here talking about it because we're going to see other things.

00:23:01.500 The election is still five months away.

00:23:03.300 There's lots that can happen.

00:23:04.900 And when we look at all of this in the context of what's going on with the Trump conviction, we need to learn to keep everything in context and remember that it's the other side is not above using pure propaganda to mislead the American public and also to censor the media and to censor social media.

00:23:25.140 They will stop at nothing.

00:23:27.340 They will play as dirty as they need to in the lead up to an election.

00:23:30.420 That's the message.

00:23:31.000 And this cloak themselves in highbrow sanctimony about the disgusting people on the other side.

00:23:38.640 We would never interfere with an election, not to mention we're not even we haven't even touched on what Hillary Clinton did back in four years earlier in that same 16 election that Trump is alleged to have interfered with by paying off Stormy Daniels and then not telling the world about it.

00:23:54.600 But I mean, we could spend all day talking about how Hillary Clinton interfered in that whole thing. 0.92

00:23:58.640 All right, let's move on to what's actually happening in the Hunter case, because that is equally interesting.

00:24:02.980 Um, he's a liar, too.

00:24:06.360 He's he's just as bad a liar as his father.

00:24:10.060 He got up there.

00:24:11.960 I have to say that prosecution did a good job of saying to the jury right off the front in its opening statement.

00:24:16.040 We wouldn't be here if he were just a drug user, abuser, addict.

00:24:20.720 That's not what we do.

00:24:22.200 We're here because he then went and got a gun and he lied in his application on the form and he wasn't allowed to have a gun as an addict.

00:24:32.080 Those are the laws of America.

00:24:33.140 And normally the left would be jumping up and down, agreeing with all of that.

00:24:37.700 Right.

00:24:38.300 They want tighter gun controls and more enforcement of the gun laws that make it harder to get a gun.

00:24:44.660 But now they're just kind of tisking about this prosecution like, oh, it's just an addict.

00:24:50.580 So I think the prosecution did a good job in getting that out there right from the front.

00:24:54.480 This is not about somebody suffering from addiction.

00:24:57.560 And by the way, they almost all these jurors has somebody in the family affected by addiction.

00:25:03.420 I mean, almost everybody in America does.

00:25:05.160 So that's how it's going to be.

00:25:06.580 So that was a smart way to sort of get that out of the way.

00:25:09.280 But here's the thing.

00:25:11.300 Hunter's defense is going to be that he was not a crack addict at the very moment he filled out the forms saying he was not an active user of drugs or an addict.

00:25:25.980 That he was not an addict at the very moment of the purchase.

00:25:31.400 Um, and therefore the government has no case.

00:25:35.960 Now, again, this, this goes back to October 23rd, 2018.

00:25:41.740 All right.

00:25:42.360 2018.

00:25:43.680 That's when, um, sorry, let me, let me revise that.

00:25:48.120 October the 12th, 2018 is when he bought the gun.

00:25:54.040 October 13th, one day after he bought the gun, he, um, sent texts to his love interest, Hallie Biden.

00:26:06.540 That's Beau Biden's widow who he was schnuping. 1.00

00:26:09.120 I'm sorry.

00:26:09.900 It's very weird about seeing a drug dealer.

00:26:12.320 The day after he texted his lover about seeing a drug dealer.

00:26:17.540 And then Hallie Biden's going to take the stand and talk about the events of October 23rd, which is the day she found his firearm and threw it into a garbage can at a nearby mall.

00:26:29.000 So we've got 10 days, October 13th, 2018 through October 23rd, 2018 for the prosecution to prove he was indeed a crack addict and an active user.

00:26:42.540 Viva from what you've read so far, how do you like their chances?

00:26:46.440 The prosecutions.

00:26:47.040 There's, well, before I forget this thought, I want to say something, you know, the whole Russian disinformation, uh, and that foreign interests might use certain information to corrupt or coerce or extort political leaders.

00:27:00.940 You know, the fact that the FBI and intelligence had this laptop for upwards of a year beforehand, it's not only foreign interests that can use compromising information to blackmail politicians.

00:27:11.580 Intelligence can do it as well.

00:27:13.000 And you have to ask yourself why it was that intelligence had this and what they were doing with it for a year, if not arguably potentially extorting or planning to extort or coerce something, some action out of a politician.

00:27:24.880 Just to throw that out there so people can actually think about that, it's not just foreign interests that blackmail.

00:27:28.440 As relates to the merits of this case, there are going to be some constitutional questions here.

00:27:32.780 You know, Second Amendment shall not be infringed.

00:27:35.060 If you're forced to answer certain questions on a form, is that an infringement of the Second Amendment?

00:27:40.440 Now, I don't think that's the argument that the lefties are going to want to take with this.

00:27:45.000 Um, you know, the ambiguity of the phrasing of the question, are you, I forget exactly how they phrased it, but I can understand the semantic argument.

00:27:52.160 Well, I don't consider myself an addict, so why would I answer yes to that?

00:27:55.440 Um, and you know, Second Amendment argument, if anybody needs Second Amendment protection, well, it's definitely a crack addict, a drug addict who's buying drugs from criminals.

00:28:04.040 He needs to have this protection.

00:28:05.260 So, there's going to be constitutional arguments to it.

00:28:07.880 The bottom line is just the outright egregious.

00:28:10.520 Wait, wait, wait, let me put it up on the board, because we have the language.

00:28:13.560 Yeah, the wording's important.

00:28:14.500 In a full screen for the audience and for you.

00:28:16.200 Hold on, let's put it up there. 0.80

00:28:18.140 Okay, that's it, but no one can read that.

00:28:19.440 I'm getting old, my eyes are bad, I can't see that, but read it out loud, Kelly.

00:28:22.500 I know, I had it right in front of me.

00:28:25.240 Kelly, can you send it to me?

00:28:26.420 I had it in front of me, but I can't find it in this huge packet.

00:28:28.420 Kelly McGuire's going to send it to me, I'm going to read out loud.

00:28:30.120 Go ahead, Viva. 0.83

00:28:31.140 Yeah, so there's going to be some ambiguity in the wording.

00:28:33.920 I doubt they're going to raise the second amendment shall not be infringed.

00:28:37.160 This is an unconstitutional requirement.

00:28:39.160 The bottom line, he's dead to rights in terms of the actus reis and the mens rea of this crime.

00:28:46.780 Oh, I found it.

00:28:48.300 Sorry, I'm such a pain in the ass.

00:28:49.720 Forgive my interruptions.

00:28:51.260 It's a good point to read the actual language, and my team had already given it to me, and I didn't see it.

00:28:55.760 Okay, it reads, are you an unlawful user of or addicted to marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?

00:29:11.640 So very clearly, you know, crack and cocaine would qualify.

00:29:14.980 So unlawful user of or addicted to.

00:29:21.160 Go ahead, sir.

00:29:22.320 There's that Mitch Hedberg joke where he says, you know, like, I used to do drugs.

00:29:26.060 I mean, I still do, but I used to, too.

00:29:27.780 Like, there's a semantical argument that you can understand someone's going to make there.

00:29:31.540 I don't consider myself an addict.

00:29:32.980 I'm not a user, but I have used.

00:29:35.060 I mean, I can understand the argument, but I'll let Phil take this away because he's an actual lawyer in America who might have a better opinion.

00:29:41.740 And I've actually filled out a lot of those forms, actually, and they're not hard to understand.

00:29:46.680 I mean, it's pretty clear language.

00:29:48.160 I mean, you can play the Bill Clinton, what is the definition of is, is.

00:29:52.500 You can play a little word semantics games, but, you know, it's obvious that the form, it's not asking you, are you actively smoking crack cocaine while you're buying this gun?

00:30:01.720 That's not what it's asking.

00:30:02.840 Okay, it's asking you, you know, are you an active user, unlawful?

00:30:07.140 And there's really no, there might be a lawful use for some drugs, but there's no lawful use for crack cocaine.

00:30:14.840 And so the answer to that question has to be yes.

00:30:17.920 And let's not forget, they found cocaine residue, I think, in the holster where the gun was stored.

00:30:22.940 So it's obvious that he's guilty.

00:30:27.500 I mean, he's an active user of crack cocaine when he's buying that gun.

00:30:32.840 The semantics might be a better defense for them in terms of, you know, what is the definition of an addict?

00:30:38.860 I mean, you know, I'm in treatment, I got out of treatment, am I cured, am I not cured?

00:30:42.080 I don't know.

00:30:42.800 But he's clearly an active user of drugs at the time he's purchasing that gun.

00:30:47.860 And having filled out those forms, I can tell you they're not hard to understand.

00:30:53.000 A reasonable person looks at it and understands exactly what the question is asking.

00:30:58.080 And we all know that if you don't tell the truth on those things and you lie, you're subject to being arrested and charged and going to jail.

00:31:05.940 And, you know, say what you want about the Second Amendment. 0.87

00:31:08.220 And I'm, there's nobody that's a bigger Second Amendment advocate than I am.

00:31:12.320 And maybe we can have a discussion one day about whether those forms should ask those things.

00:31:16.760 But the fact of the matter is that is the law.

00:31:19.120 That is the law that is in effect today.

00:31:21.720 That's the law of the United States.

00:31:23.680 And if he violates that law, we've been hearing all summer long that nobody is above the law, right?

00:31:30.500 And so if nobody is above the law, then he has to be convicted.

00:31:33.980 That's just the way it is.

00:31:34.860 Whether he will be in that jurisdiction is another question.

00:31:38.660 Well, and we'll talk about whether they're just doing jury nullification.

00:31:41.400 But let's just stay on this specific evidence.

00:31:43.800 So I did look up the rehab.

00:31:45.440 You know, if he had just completed, so again, he bought the gun October 12th, 2018.

00:31:49.540 Let's say he just got out of rehab.

00:31:51.060 He spent all of September of 2018 in rehab.

00:31:53.860 He emerges and somehow convinces himself.

00:31:56.420 I mean, every addict I know, recovering addict and active users, they say, I'm an addict, even when they're recovering.

00:32:02.920 They say, I'm an addict.

00:32:04.000 They don't say, they say, I'm actively using or I'm not.

00:32:07.400 But they don't say, like, I'm totally over my addiction.

00:32:10.480 You're never over an addiction.

00:32:11.780 It's, that's the problem with addiction.

00:32:13.280 It's always a battle.

00:32:14.780 Anyway, it doesn't allow you to say, no, I'm not an addict because you just got out of rehab.

00:32:19.120 But okay, that's what he's going to go with because they have him dead to rights.

00:32:22.180 But I was thinking, when did the rehab happen?

00:32:25.080 It did not happen in September.

00:32:26.460 It happened in the summer, okay, the summer of 2018.

00:32:30.860 And the problem for Hunter Biden is they've got in these text messages that I held up before, okay, they have so many texts between Hunter and his, looks like many dealers, begging for drugs all around through and immediately after the so-called rehab.

00:32:53.160 I mean, they have got him.

00:32:55.000 I'm just going to show you a couple, okay?

00:32:56.540 Because, like, let's take some time to go.

00:32:58.540 So first of all, well, here's April of, for April 27th, 2018.

00:33:06.180 And then the next day, or yeah, the next day, I don't know why Hunter Biden was texting pictures of his drugs to his drug dealer, but you can see, and we'll, we'll try to get you closer pictures of these, but you can see, I mean, he's texting the pictures of the drugs he apparently wants right to his drug dealer.

00:33:23.640 Then we fast forward.

00:33:25.960 All right, let's keep going.

00:33:27.360 Oh, there's tons of, like, do you want it?

00:33:29.960 You know, you can bring, he can only bring five.

00:33:32.280 Would you take that?

00:33:33.200 Yes, please.

00:33:34.260 Here's what he looks like.

00:33:35.600 You know, dude, I need it.

00:33:37.140 I need what, I mean, it's very, very incriminating all through April, May, and so on.

00:33:42.460 Okay, he wants it, he needs it ASAP.

00:33:44.320 He's desperate for the drugs.

00:33:46.060 June, July, you want 10 grams?

00:33:49.800 Yes.

00:33:50.940 Hold on.

00:33:52.000 I'm going to get to the good stuff.

00:33:54.920 Okay, now here we pick it up.

00:33:57.620 I've got to put on my readers, because this is written like, like the back of a prescription bottle.

00:34:01.580 These things are so tiny.

00:34:03.700 Okay, here we go.

00:34:06.980 10-13.

00:34:10.220 This is a day after he purchased the gun.

00:34:14.040 He's texting back and forth with Hallie, Hallie, Hallie, Biden, his dead brother's widow.

00:34:23.860 These two by now are having an affair.

00:34:26.060 He seems to be pretty clear with her that he is buying drugs.

00:34:29.940 He's trying to find her.

00:34:31.180 She's sending nice supportive messages to him, and he seems obsessed with something else.

00:34:37.880 Fast forwarding.

00:34:38.780 Okay, let's see.

00:34:43.020 Okay, 10-13-2018.

00:34:45.680 She's saying, why won't you answer my calls?

00:34:47.200 Where are you?

00:34:47.860 Are you with someone?

00:34:49.620 And he responds, yes.

00:34:52.880 And then it's Blacked Out, who hangs at 7-11 on Green Hill in Lancaster.

00:34:57.800 I'm now off at Maryland Avenue behind Blue Rock Stadium, waiting for a dealer named Blacked Out.

00:35:06.540 His brother, L, is getting in the car now.

00:35:09.340 I mean, I don't know about you guys, but like, I don't wait around for dealers, because I don't do drugs.

00:35:16.080 It's like not really a thing that non-drug users do.

00:35:19.860 But let me keep going.

00:35:20.700 10-13.

00:35:21.740 He has my money.

00:35:23.440 Mad.

00:35:23.980 I'm getting pissed.

00:35:24.700 She says, I called you 500 times in the past 24 hours.

00:35:28.300 This is on 10-14 now.

00:35:29.760 And you didn't answer.

00:35:31.260 He responds, 10-14.

00:35:33.620 I was sleeping on a car, smoking crack on 4th and Rodney.

00:35:37.560 Okay, it's not ambiguous.

00:35:40.060 Hello?

00:35:40.820 Megan, can you, this is the to be president's son.

00:35:44.640 Can you imagine the drug dealer that has this blackmail material on a prominent politician?

00:35:48.860 I mean, this is, it's nuts.

00:35:50.380 You wouldn't believe it if it were written in a sitcom.

00:35:52.640 No, it's not ambiguous either.

00:35:55.200 Wait, let me keep going, because this is like something out of a movie.

00:35:58.260 10-15.

00:35:59.420 She writes, I just want to help you get sober.

00:36:01.460 Nothing I do or you do is working.

00:36:02.980 I'm sorry.

00:36:03.780 I'm afraid you're going to die, and I can't live without you.

00:36:07.000 What's one thing you've done to help me get sober?

00:36:10.440 So an admission there, too, right?

00:36:12.420 No.

00:36:12.840 No one's, he hasn't gotten sober.

00:36:15.820 Okay, keep keeping forward.

00:36:17.240 Now, 10-23.

00:36:19.760 10-23.

00:36:21.160 He found out she took the gun and got rid of it, and he texts her, okay, did you take that

00:36:28.700 from me?

00:36:29.680 Sorry, it's very hard to read.

00:36:30.500 Did you take that from me?

00:36:31.980 Are you insane?

00:36:33.460 Tell me now.

00:36:34.760 This is no game, and you are being totally irresponsible and unhinged.

00:36:41.880 Tell me now.

00:36:43.360 Still 10-23.

00:36:44.800 You really need to help me think right now.

00:36:47.420 This is very, very serious.

00:36:48.920 She writes back, call me.

00:36:50.840 She writes, I can't believe this.

00:36:53.000 You can blame me all you want.

00:36:54.420 I know it was stupid, but your part is dangerous and negligent, and because of this and my stupidity

00:36:59.100 for being worried about you, I'm dealing with insanity, and possibly I'm the one who's

00:37:03.700 going to get in trouble.

00:37:04.760 Check yourself into a local rehab, Hunter.

00:37:07.600 This has all got to stop.

00:37:09.320 Don't run away again.

00:37:10.540 Please don't leave.

00:37:11.800 She goes on to say, please come in to talk to me now.

00:37:14.180 I'll take full blame.

00:37:15.140 I don't want to live like this anymore.

00:37:16.560 This is too much for me to handle.

00:37:18.580 He writes back, the fucking FBI.

00:37:21.020 It's hard to believe anyone is that stupid.

00:37:23.160 Uh, so what's my fault here, Hallie, that you speak, that you speak of owning a gun that's

00:37:31.280 in a locked car, hidden on another property.

00:37:34.540 You say I invade your privacy.

00:37:36.300 What more can I do than come back to you to try again?

00:37:39.900 And you do this?

00:37:41.020 Who in their right mind would trust you that you would help me to get sober?

00:37:45.920 Do you want me dead?

00:37:48.200 She responds, I'm sorry.

00:37:49.260 I want you safe.

00:37:49.940 Still 10, 23, 18.

00:37:51.500 That was not safe.

00:37:52.700 And it was open.

00:37:54.040 It was unlocked and windows down.

00:37:56.200 And the kids search your car.

00:37:58.580 You've lost your mind, Hunter.

00:38:00.580 I'm sorry I handled it poorly today.

00:38:02.180 But you are in huge denial about yourself and about that reality that I just want you to

00:38:06.340 be safe.

00:38:06.820 You run away like a child.

00:38:08.140 You blame me for your shit.

00:38:10.060 It's to be expected that you go.

00:38:12.700 You prove repeatedly that you can't stay and really do work on yourself.

00:38:17.460 It's easier for you to avoid looking within and cowardly to constantly point the blame

00:38:22.480 on me.

00:38:23.900 He writes back, 11-3-2018, jumping forward to another conversation, he writes,

00:38:29.220 I'm a liar and a thief and a blamer and a user and I'm delusional and an addict, unlike 0.74

00:38:40.320 beyond and above all other addicts that you know.

00:38:45.920 And I've ruined every relationship I've ever cherished.

00:38:50.820 And then here's, I'm just finishing up here.

00:38:53.380 She writes back, let's do this.

00:38:54.860 Come home.

00:38:55.460 Talk with the kids.

00:38:56.220 Let's tell your family and your kids the plan.

00:38:58.160 Let's stick to it.

00:38:59.220 Everyone adores you and wants you to feel like you are safe and working on sobriety.

00:39:02.440 We can do this.

00:39:03.640 Then I'll do therapy with you while you are there.

00:39:06.380 We can talk about everything you want.

00:39:08.280 Once you are there, you're blaming me again.

00:39:11.360 But for what?

00:39:12.080 She says in a text on 11-8.

00:39:14.700 Do you know how and what your addiction has done to us all?

00:39:17.960 When you humbly realize how much damage you've caused, then I'll know you are ready to get

00:39:22.140 sober.

00:39:23.000 Blaming me?

00:39:23.740 That's an excuse to avoid sobriety.

00:39:25.720 If you want us, our love, our support, my health, then shut up and come home and we

00:39:29.800 can get you there.

00:39:30.700 He writes back, no blame regarding sobriety.

00:39:33.360 She writes, you are the one not sober and brutally affecting us all.

00:39:39.420 He responds 11-8.

00:39:40.560 I'm a drunk, an addict.

00:39:44.200 Then he says to her, don't you want your crack back?

00:39:46.500 He got her hooked on it too, according to reports.

00:39:48.960 She writes back, I can't take it anymore.

00:39:51.120 You want me to relapse.

00:39:53.160 And then she said, I don't want you running around calling me a loser crackhead.

00:39:58.540 And he responds by saying, I never said you were a loser, but crackhead.

00:40:04.260 Yeah.

00:40:04.960 It's sad.

00:40:05.560 It's sad.

00:40:06.080 I mean, it's terrible.

00:40:07.420 He's confessed all over himself in those text messages.

00:40:09.980 There's lots there.

00:40:10.960 I mean, he's admitted to everything he's being accused of.

00:40:13.920 But on top of that, I mean, he's the poster child, Megan, for why these federal forums

00:40:20.020 ask these questions in the first place.

00:40:21.980 He's like the guy that they don't want guns to get in the hands of, particularly when he

00:40:28.220 has people who are just going to, I guess, going to take the gun and just throw it in

00:40:31.760 a trash can somewhere.

00:40:32.880 I mean, somebody needs to educate them on some proper gun safety.

00:40:36.840 But seriously, though, this is the kind of person, you know, you hear the left always

00:40:40.420 talk about, we got to have common sense laws to keep the guns out of people's hands that 0.99

00:40:44.740 don't need them.

00:40:45.340 Well, here's a common sense law like this one that's on the books that's designed to keep

00:40:49.940 guns out of the hands of people like Hunter Biden.

00:40:52.700 That's it right there.

00:40:54.160 OK, so the way to do that is when they lie on those forms, you prosecute them.

00:40:59.660 That is common sense gun control.

00:41:01.880 Prosecute people for violating the laws as it pertains to how they get their hands on firearms.

00:41:08.220 Because when they're in the hands of people like that, God knows what can happen with

00:41:12.080 those guns.

00:41:12.760 Obviously, he's not in a good place mentally.

00:41:15.480 Obviously, people around him are affected by this.

00:41:18.140 These are the last people on the planet that need to have access to loaded firearms where

00:41:23.380 they can just leave them laying around for God knows who to find and perhaps hurt themselves

00:41:28.080 or somebody else.

00:41:29.900 Kaviva, how often do you think the feds get a case like this, where they're looking at

00:41:34.140 the gun charges and the language we discussed earlier on what the form says, I'm an unlawful

00:41:38.740 user of or addicted to any controlled substance, narcotic drug.

00:41:42.520 And the defendant says it wasn't true and wasn't true at the time.

00:41:46.160 And then you find his texts from exactly the time saying, I am a user and an addict.

00:41:50.640 It's in writing over and over and over.

00:41:53.340 But how did it take so long for this to come to prosecution and would it have ever come to

00:41:58.640 prosecution had it not been for The New York Post's article that the it's a it's a it's

00:42:03.440 a gross and disgustingly sad story to listen to.

00:42:06.320 Like, it's not funny.

00:42:07.400 I don't care that it's Hunter Biden.

00:42:09.320 What was amazing about this story was not an individual's battle with addiction.

00:42:13.980 It was a corrupt regime's ability to censor that that addiction and to censor all of the

00:42:21.020 material that could be used for blackmail or to corrupt and and extort a president.

00:42:26.760 Well, the dark side of this story above and beyond the addiction is how intelligence covered

00:42:31.660 up for this, how the FBI did nothing with it and how it's only after it became publicly known

00:42:36.180 that they have to have some, I don't know, slap on the wrist show trial if he even gets

00:42:41.180 convicted.

00:42:41.960 He's he's as dead to rights as humanly possible, given the law, period.

00:42:46.520 That being said, so was Michael Sussman, the Clinton and DNC's lawyer when he when he stood

00:42:51.500 trial in D.C.

00:42:52.440 and got acquitted because they do not care.

00:42:55.680 E. Jean Carroll possessing an unlawful firearm.

00:42:58.380 She gets a pass.

00:42:59.520 Hunter Biden will see.

00:43:00.560 But Dexter Taylor, a law abiding New York citizen who assembles his own firearms in

00:43:05.540 his in his apartment, is now locked away for 10 years.

00:43:08.580 So the issue here, it's not the underlying crime.

00:43:12.360 It's the double standard corruption of the regime and the censorship that impacted the

00:43:16.560 outcome of an election.

00:43:17.540 And but for The New York Post article, this would have never seen the light of day.

00:43:21.880 And Lord knows who has who has bought off any sort of presidential act, presidential pardon,

00:43:27.840 not pardon, but presidential act of kindness or whatever, because of the incriminating information

00:43:33.860 that the intelligence has on on Hunter Biden and Joe Biden's family and foreign governments.

00:43:40.280 So I think we've adequately shown the very, very solid one might argue airtight case the

00:43:48.100 feds have against Hunter Biden on these charges.

00:43:50.160 But just to add a little cherry on top of the Sunday, Phil, they are introducing tape found

00:43:56.100 on the laptop of Hunter's dad, Joe Biden, calling him and expressing his concern.

00:44:02.520 It's a loving message from a dad to a son about his addiction in October of 2018.

00:44:09.240 That's what's relevant here.

00:44:10.640 Take a listen.

00:44:12.520 This dad, I call to tell you I love you.

00:44:15.140 I love you more than the whole world, pal.

00:44:16.680 So I'm going to get some help.

00:44:20.740 I don't know what to do.

00:44:22.560 I know you don't either.

00:44:24.260 But I'm here no matter what you need.

00:44:29.660 No matter what you need.

00:44:31.480 I love you.

00:44:32.780 Hey, it's dad again.

00:44:34.120 I'm down at Newport News, Virginia.

00:44:36.060 It's about four o'clock.

00:44:39.200 Just just call and check.

00:44:40.980 Just just text me or something.

00:44:42.760 Let me know you're OK.

00:44:43.720 OK, I love you.

00:44:46.520 Credit to the Daily Mail, which got that exclusively.

00:44:48.880 We don't actually know whether it's been introduced yet, but it's almost certainly going to be.

00:44:52.360 Those those calls were from October 15th and 18th, 2018, respectively.

00:44:58.620 So now you've got you've got his father.

00:45:00.800 You've got his, I guess, ex-sister-in-law slash current lover.

00:45:07.100 I, you know, I forget all the dynamics here.

00:45:09.800 I can't keep up with it.

00:45:10.640 Just to add to it, Phil.

00:45:11.580 So, yes, both of them, the ex-lover or whatever, she's going to take the stand, Hallie.

00:45:15.720 But right now they just finished up with Hunter Biden's ex-wife who just took the stand and said he was actively using, no question, in October of 2018.

00:45:25.260 Go ahead.

00:45:25.480 So all of these people, all of them Democrats, they all know that Hunter Biden is an active user of drugs and they all know that he possessed this gun.

00:45:34.380 OK, so look, I'm all for anybody who's charged with a crime.

00:45:38.340 You have an absolute right to have a jury trial.

00:45:40.680 Then and I support that 100 percent.

00:45:43.360 But you've got to ask yourself, isn't it a little bit hypocritical if all of these Democrats that are surrounding this man who is clearly and obviously in violation of the federal gun laws?

00:45:54.240 Why don't they practice what they preach and say, OK, own it.

00:45:59.080 Even if you don't have a plea deal, plead guilty.

00:46:01.800 Say, you know what, judge?

00:46:02.840 I was wrong.

00:46:04.080 I should not have possessed that firearm.

00:46:06.260 That's why the rules are in place.

00:46:08.140 I broke the law and I'm at your mercy.

00:46:10.500 And I bet the judge would show him a lot of mercy if he would just do that.

00:46:13.560 And I think these other people around him would have a lot more credibility about things when they're preaching to the rest of us about enforcing, you know, common sense gun laws or creating new common sense gun laws when they themselves don't even practice what they preach.

00:46:28.080 That's such a good point.

00:46:29.300 I mean, Viva, any lawyer would say, Hunter, my friend, you got a cop a plea in this circumstance.

00:46:37.300 And you know what they tried to, as you know, they tried with this sweetheart deal that this prosecutor, this guy, David Weiss, offered them to cut the deal of the century.

00:46:47.860 And it was only for this judge, thanks to this judge, Judge Noriega, who caught just how sweetheart it was that it got rid of the gun charges and the tax charges and anything related to Burisma, everything under the sun, that she said, whoa, whoa, that's the only reason because of her that they're having to go to a trial.

00:47:05.580 But even at this point, you'd think the lawyer would look at him and say, all right, now we've lost out on dismissing these as misdemeanors, but you're going to have to go in there and throw yourself in the mercy of the court because you're toast, man.

00:47:19.380 That's not what they're doing.

00:47:20.440 They're going, I think, for jury nullification.

00:47:22.280 Jury nullification.

00:47:22.720 That's why his mother's in the courtroom. 0.99

00:47:25.220 And that's why, you know, there's bound to be a lot of people on that jury, Megan, who are big fans of the First Lady, right?

00:47:32.880 They're right there from Delaware.

00:47:34.300 Especially in Delaware.

00:47:36.480 Yeah.

00:47:36.720 And so she's in there every day.

00:47:38.520 And you got to know she's making eye contact with the jurors.

00:47:41.340 They see her over there.

00:47:42.760 And as much as they may be listening to what the prosecutors are saying and what the prosecutors are putting on the witness stand, they're also watching very carefully the interactions between Jill Biden and her son, Joe, and Hunter.

00:47:56.180 And that's another sort of a play that's going on behind the scenes.

00:48:00.880 They're watching multiple presentations, one official presentation and one unofficial presentation.

00:48:07.140 That's why Jill is there.

00:48:08.500 She's there to support her son, of course.

00:48:10.260 But I promise you the lawyers want her there.

00:48:13.160 They want the jurors looking at her. 0.97

00:48:15.120 They want the jurors to see her talking with Hunter and interacting with Hunter and acting like, you know, the loving mother.

00:48:22.420 That's what they want to show the jury because that is the only way they can ask the jury for nullification.

00:48:29.360 They can't outright say it.

00:48:30.680 It's against the law.

00:48:31.500 The judge won't let them.

00:48:32.440 So they have to say it in another way.

00:48:34.320 And they're doing it through Jill and all the other people connected with the first family.

00:48:38.680 And the sister, Ashley Biden, who's there.

00:48:41.540 We are going to get one other point on this.

00:48:43.780 They're playing Hunter Biden's tape, the audio version of his book, I should say.

00:48:48.440 We're going to show you what they played right after this.

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00:49:55.120 So apparently the prosecution played a fair amount of excerpts from the audio book of Hunter Biden's memoir.

00:50:02.400 And the reports were pretty uniform about how it was very eerie to see him sitting there and hear his voice booming overhead in this courtroom.

00:50:14.920 That's at least how it started.

00:50:16.720 And then I guess it got a little rote because they read a lot.

00:50:20.840 They played a lot.

00:50:21.940 Here's a bit.

00:50:22.940 We'll start with the first shot, shot one of what the jury heard.

00:50:26.320 I went through and stepped around people curled up on thin pieces of cardboard.

00:50:31.380 Beyond them, I noticed a tilting, unlit tent.

00:50:34.680 I pulled back a flap.

00:50:36.420 It was pitch black.

00:50:37.860 All I saw was the gun pointed at my face.

00:50:40.720 I stood there unfazed.

00:50:42.820 I assumed I was in the right place.

00:50:45.680 If the guy squatting there had a gun, he had something worth protecting.

00:50:49.940 Turned out I was right.

00:50:51.740 I told him I'd been there before with Joe, or whatever name I gave him for the homeless guy who'd brought me there previously.

00:50:58.560 His reply,

00:50:59.240 Who the fuck are you talking about?

00:51:01.860 So I just asked if he had any heart.

00:51:04.220 Oh, he said.

00:51:05.440 He lowered the gun, rummaged around, and pulled out a bag.

00:51:08.860 He never even got up.

00:51:10.860 I saw somebody else lying to his right, sound asleep, snoring softly.

00:51:15.380 I only bought a little because he only had a little.

00:51:18.000 But it was enough to hold me over until the rest of that miserable, blood-sucking world I now belong to was up and back to work.

00:51:25.860 I walked straight to my car and slipped inside.

00:51:28.620 I was shaking and ashamed.

00:51:30.700 And I lit up.

00:51:32.620 Thirty seconds later, I was numbed and flying, no longer ashamed at all, until the next time.

00:51:38.980 For months and months afterward, for most of the next year, there was always a next time.

00:51:45.220 Okay.

00:51:45.960 They all go like that.

00:51:46.940 That's how they all sound.

00:51:48.640 And all I can think when I hear this, you guys, is that's the same guy in those text messages and in that description of his life at the time,

00:51:59.060 who our sitting vice president took with him over to China,

00:52:06.160 had no problem with him sitting on the board of Burisma, collecting 50 grand a month,

00:52:11.020 understanding perfectly well, Viva, just how compromised he was.

00:52:17.040 He, meaning Joe Biden, the then vice president, as a result of this infirmity in his son.

00:52:25.520 Megan, it's the thing is, it's sad.

00:52:27.860 And there's no but to that.

00:52:29.280 It's sad.

00:52:30.020 And if this were anyone else, it would be something that you would deal with within the framework of dealing with addiction and potential criminality.

00:52:36.560 It's sad.

00:52:37.220 And let's bookmark that it's corruption of the highest order.

00:52:41.080 It's compromising of public officials of the highest order.

00:52:44.440 It is everything they've ever accused the Trump family of.

00:52:47.100 Remember, they accused Eric Trump of being a cokehead.

00:52:49.040 And what risks would that cause of blackmail and extortion?

00:52:52.360 This is corruption of the highest order.

00:52:54.460 And what drives me nuts is those two voice messages from Joe.

00:52:58.500 It makes me feel bad for Joe.

00:52:59.900 It makes me feel he sounds like a loving father in those messages.

00:53:02.980 He does.

00:53:03.140 And the problem is, he sends those messages.

00:53:06.700 He leaves those messages.

00:53:07.900 He has that knowledge.

00:53:09.100 And then he takes to the debate stage to lie to the American people that it's Russian disinformation.

00:53:14.020 That's where it goes from pity to corruption that deserves to be punished.

00:53:17.380 And, you know, you talk about Jill Biden being in the courtroom.

00:53:21.040 It could be for potential pity.

00:53:23.020 It could also be for potential intimidation.

00:53:24.960 There is the first lady staring at jurors saying, you better damn well do what we know that you we you better damn well do what you know we want you to do. 0.99

00:53:34.140 That is jury intimidation in as much as it might be trying to play the parent card.

00:53:38.940 But the issue here is not the addiction.

00:53:41.000 It's not all of the terrible decisions Hunter made.

00:53:43.760 It's the fact that he has always been an overt liability and that if anybody is compromised, it's Joe Biden.

00:53:49.680 And he has been for decades.

00:53:51.120 And it might explain a little bit of some foreign policy decision in Ukraine, depending on which corrupt governments have dirty stories on Hunter with them parting around doing exactly what we now know that he did.

00:54:01.440 I heard the testimony yesterday from that special agent from the FBI, Phil, about the ATM withdrawals that Hunter was making in October of 2018.

00:54:11.820 Perfectly normal.

00:54:13.000 Sure, I'm sure it was perfectly normal.

00:54:14.300 She testified he was withdrawing hundreds and sometimes thousands of dollars in cash right around the time he purchased the gun.

00:54:22.380 On the day of the gun purchased, he withdrew $5,000 in cash, according to a receipt shown to the jury.

00:54:27.960 Prosecutors say he paid for the gun in cash and they're going to have the gun dealer testify to that, too.

00:54:34.480 From September to November 2018, he withdrew $151,000 in cash.

00:54:42.560 I heard that, and all I could think was, you know how he got all that money in the bank?

00:54:47.540 Thanks to Burisma.

00:54:48.900 Thanks to the Chinese.

00:54:50.320 Thanks to all these other payments that were documented on the laptop from hell, which was suppressed.

00:54:55.000 And he's doing business.

00:54:58.120 Obviously, there's plenty of records of the gun sale, but he's clearly doing business with people or entities that don't like to take credit cards or checks.

00:55:07.160 I mean, why do you need to take $151,000 out of the bank in cash?

00:55:13.040 He should take Fannie Willis. 0.99

00:55:15.120 She loves a man who pays for things in cash.

00:55:16.780 Unless you're just going around blowing it on hookers and drugs and, you know, all sorts of, you're spending it in, let's just say, alternative markets where you purchase things on an alternative market, right?

00:55:29.820 So that's really the only reason, you know, you're going around, you're flashing money, you're flashing cash.

00:55:34.700 You know, that's really the only way to do it.

00:55:36.600 And the reason that the FBI is testifying to this, the reason prosecutors are bringing all this out is to point out that he is, you know, an active user.

00:55:46.540 It all goes to the issue of whether he's an active user at the time he's making this purchase.

00:55:53.080 And is he an addict also for that?

00:55:55.360 So that's how this all ties in.

00:55:58.160 It's, I think, a really brilliant move.

00:56:00.360 I think prosecutors are doing a great job because this is the best evidence.

00:56:04.400 I mean, what a person actually does, and you can extrapolate from that.

00:56:09.780 It's a little bit circumstantial, but circumstantial evidence can be very powerful if it's used right and it's being used right in this case.

00:56:15.860 And to use his words, to hear him talk in his own words about substance abuse and using illegal drugs is absolutely, I think, brilliant from a trial strategy perspective from the prosecutors.

00:56:28.760 They've got him dead to rights.

00:56:30.200 They're going to make their case.

00:56:31.520 They're going to prove it beyond reasonable doubt, perhaps even beyond all doubt.

00:56:35.500 The big question remains, and we've talked about it before, is will the jury give him a pass simply because who he is and because they feel sorry for him?

00:56:44.080 But nevertheless, the prosecutors have done a great job so far.

00:56:46.780 The cross-examination of this FBI agent elicited what sounds like, you can hear where the defense is going, right?

00:56:58.200 And what he was pressing her on, Abby Lowell, a man who was pressing the agent on, was you're not sure whether he really was using drugs continuously from 15 to 19, are you?

00:57:12.500 She answered, I didn't get the sense that it was the entire period.

00:57:17.640 And this is where they're going to go.

00:57:19.120 Like maybe this one week period in October, notwithstanding all those texts that I just read you, somehow he found Jesus and maybe just switched to alcohol only.

00:57:30.380 They seem to be saying it was just alcohol.

00:57:32.140 I don't know about you.

00:57:33.200 I like to drink alcohol occasionally.

00:57:34.820 I don't measure my consumption in grams.

00:57:38.200 I don't say I need 10 grams of wine.

00:57:42.960 I just don't think any of that is going to fly.

00:57:46.780 And this leads, I love your thoughts on that.

00:57:49.220 And then I also want to ask you this.

00:57:50.720 So does all of this get us to the conclusion that he's likely to be convicted?

00:57:57.860 If he's not, it's probably jury nullification.

00:57:59.780 But if he is convicted, is there any chance his father, who has the ability to pardon him, this being a federal case in crime, will do exactly that?

00:58:14.100 I'll field the first half of the question first.

00:58:16.380 I might be one of the rare neurotic people.

00:58:18.280 Well, I actually do measure my martinis in milliliters just so I can know exactly how much I'm drinking.

00:58:23.380 So I got a little tablespoon cup and I measure it to the milliliter.

00:58:26.680 I mean, jokes aside, what they are hoping for is the jury to suspend disbelief because of political prejudice, period.

00:58:34.360 Why didn't he cop a deal?

00:58:35.860 He learned the wrong lesson from Michael Sussman.

00:58:38.820 He learned the wrong lesson from Kevin Kleinfeld.

00:58:40.980 Is it Kleinfeld or Klein Smith, the FBI attorney?

00:58:43.220 One is the lawyer out of Carlito's way.

00:58:45.520 The other one is the FBI lawyer who falsified evidence and submitted it to a court who got a slap on the wrist for a punishment.

00:58:52.500 So he's learned the wrong lessons in both respects.

00:58:55.980 Sussman, dead to rights, got acquitted or found not guilty.

00:58:59.740 And Kevin Kleinfeld, I don't even know what his penalty was.

00:59:02.940 I think he's now back as a member of the bar despite falsifying evidence that they submitted to a judge.

00:59:07.000 So take his chances.

00:59:09.340 What's he got to lose?

00:59:10.420 And then at the very least, maybe get a pardon afterwards.

00:59:12.940 Maybe Biden comes in and pardons Trump and everybody, pardons everybody, but his son in particular.

00:59:18.900 So, no, he's learned all of the wrong lessons.

00:59:22.200 But what is most shocking about this and set it all aside, again, set aside these particular gun charges.

00:59:26.760 He has been a drug fiend for years, whether it's a decade, a half a decade.

00:59:31.940 A dad doesn't leave that message if it's a new issue.

00:59:35.480 For years, while he's been in political positions of power on corrupt Ukrainian energy companies, while his dad has been pimping out his own son for his 10 percent for the big guy.

00:59:46.900 And, by the way, before I forget this as well, Garrett Ziegler, Marco Polo, the guy who did the book, hypothesized how could he take out so much money and cash in a given month?

00:59:55.840 Some people hypothesize, if I'm not misattributing it, that he was giving a PIN code so that hookers, drug dealers could go take out money, cash, to pay for the drugs that he was getting, to pay for the sex that he was getting.

01:00:05.820 So this has been a known problem in the making for years, if not closer to a decade.

01:00:11.180 Everybody knew about it.

01:00:12.340 And if there has ever been a president who has been compromised by the ills of their family, it's Joe Biden.

01:00:18.440 That's the bigger scandal above and beyond these felony gun charges.

01:00:22.020 But here's what's interesting about a possible conviction here.

01:00:26.220 Does it somehow raise the stakes for Joe Biden to drop out, to do the, I'm going to be the magnanimous one and I'm going to pardon Trump and my son.

01:00:39.660 Trump is the price he would have to pay for, for the Hunter Biden pardon and toss the baton to somebody else.

01:00:48.900 You know, um, I got a new diagnosis.

01:00:51.300 It's caused me more concern about my health and the ability to serve another four years, like to do it.

01:00:57.320 Because as you point out in those voicemails, it certainly does sound like, and I understand there's an argument to the contrary about whether he cares about his son.

01:01:03.640 He knew he's drug addled.

01:01:04.660 He put him in these compromising positions and so on.

01:01:06.740 But you can hear there is some caring in those voicemails.

01:01:09.640 So if that's true, he really cares about Hunter Biden at some level.

01:01:13.520 Might he, Phil, do exactly that?

01:01:17.060 Like, if he gets convicted, does it raise the stakes that he actually might bail from this race so he can pardon the kid? 0.98

01:01:22.760 Well, I think one way or another, whether he bails from the race or not, Megan, I think there's probably a pardon or a commutation in it for Hunter.

01:01:28.980 Let me explain why.

01:01:30.240 And first off, he, there's nothing that Joe Biden or any president can do about the New York conviction for Donald Trump.

01:01:37.400 But with respect to Hunter, so the way it's going to play out, we're going to be in trial for a few more weeks, of course.

01:01:43.000 Then you're going to have jury deliberations and then a verdict.

01:01:45.700 And then as, as it usually works in federal court, you know, they'll come back several weeks or a couple of months later for a sentencing hearing.

01:01:52.720 And then they'll have a sentencing hearing.

01:01:54.100 And let's say the judge says, okay, I'm going to sentence you to some jail.

01:01:57.320 And then they have a delayed report and that could be another month or two.

01:02:00.920 So it could be several months out, but let's just say he gets convicted and he gets sent to jail.

01:02:05.900 It could be after the election.

01:02:08.400 It realistically could be after the election before he would have to report to custody.

01:02:13.000 So then the scenario would be like this.

01:02:14.740 Joe Biden's either going to be at the end of his term or else he'll be getting ready to start a second term.

01:02:19.300 No matter what happens, either way, he won't have to run again.

01:02:22.300 And then he's free to do whatever he wants.

01:02:24.740 He's free politically to commute a sentence and maybe pardon later.

01:02:29.200 Or he could just go outright and pardon Hunter later this year or early next year, whenever the time is required.

01:02:35.340 The problem with that is if he doesn't pardon Hunter preemptively, because you can do a preemptive pardon, before the November election, he could lose.

01:02:45.520 Well, let's say, no, because you can do it post-election and pre the other guy getting sworn in.

01:02:50.720 Yeah.

01:02:50.860 So in that, I guess he'll know.

01:02:53.380 So he would know that he had lost in that time frame and he could pardon Hunter then.

01:02:59.880 Yeah.

01:03:00.380 I don't think Hunter's conviction or lack thereof is going to really move the needle on the election for Joe Biden either way, because the Trump conviction and the Hunter stuff, this has been with us for years now.

01:03:13.040 So it's all kind of baked into the cake.

01:03:15.220 And I don't think whether he's convicted or not is going to change any voters.

01:03:18.940 So I think that it's probably reasonable and safe for Joe Biden to simply wait and see what happens.

01:03:24.420 Because if this jury does give him a pass and says, OK, go forth and send no more, we're going to do jury nullification, then he doesn't have to worry about it.

01:03:33.060 But even if he does get convicted, he can hold it and he can do it in late November, early December, whether he's at the end of his term or getting ready to start a new one.

01:03:41.460 And that's a good point.

01:03:42.580 He has said publicly he's not going to pardon Hunter.

01:03:46.840 But yeah, but that doesn't mean anything.

01:03:49.020 Yeah.

01:03:49.240 No, it doesn't mean anything.

01:03:50.200 All right.

01:03:50.440 So last but not least, we've got to spend a minute on Fannie Willis.

01:03:52.940 Speaking of paying in cash and corruption, we've got to talk about Fannie. 0.83

01:03:57.880 So it's amazing because you point out accurately that a presidential pardon doesn't save you from state cases.

01:04:03.460 And on the Trump, back to the Trump cases, if Trump wins, he can pull the feds off of those two federal cases on him and make them go away before there's any trial.

01:04:12.900 He can just put an end to them.

01:04:14.200 But that doesn't take care of the New York case, which he's been convicted in, and it doesn't take care of the Georgia case.

01:04:19.800 Now, I don't think that Trump is going to get jail time in the New York case.

01:04:23.320 Others do.

01:04:24.520 Others do think he might because this judge has been so rabidly partisan.

01:04:28.500 It's tough to put it by him.

01:04:31.340 But that leaves us with Georgia.

01:04:34.260 And Phil and I were texting earlier today.

01:04:38.300 Georgia's kind of done.

01:04:41.060 It's done for now.

01:04:42.420 Yeah.

01:04:42.960 Yeah.

01:04:43.440 Ashley Merchant stopped Georgia in its tracks. 0.85

01:04:47.000 It remains stopped because the Georgia appellate court took up the issue of whether Fannie and Nathan both should have been mandatorily disqualified.

01:04:57.980 And nothing really is happening in the case.

01:05:00.680 But while that appeal is pending.

01:05:03.120 So tell us what the appellate panel that they drew to hear this case looks like, Phil, and how you like the chances of a reversal given these judges.

01:05:14.040 They're conservative judges.

01:05:17.660 I mean, Georgia's – our judges are technically nonpartisan, but they are all conservative.

01:05:22.080 They were appointed by Republican governors, one of them even by current Governor Kemp.

01:05:27.580 But one of these guys comes from really – actually, I think all of them, but some of them more than others come from very, very red parts of the state.

01:05:35.720 So from you looking at it just from the political lens, I got to think Fannie Willis is probably not liking this panel.

01:05:42.500 But I think the defense there that's raising these claims, I do think they like the panel.

01:05:46.240 They've got to get two of the three to reverse Judge McAfee.

01:05:50.580 And if that happens, let's say Fannie is removed from the case, and let's say the case is not dismissed, there's nobody else reasonably going to be able to take up this case and run with it. 0.52

01:06:01.020 Because they would have to go back and do all this work over again to remove the odor of mendacity, so to speak, and to clean up the mess that Fannie Willis has made. 0.88

01:06:09.460 So if she is removed, I think that's effectively the end of this case.

01:06:14.580 If she's not removed by the Court of Appeals, then the defense gets to ask the Georgia Supreme Court to take another stab at getting her removed. 0.97

01:06:24.680 So this case, at best, is going to be mired down in this appeal for months and months and months, and it's probably going to be dying on the vine the entire time.

01:06:35.520 So I don't think that much is going to happen.

01:06:37.380 Which is on that appellate court that they're going to next?

01:06:39.600 It's like 25, but there's only three in this panel.

01:06:42.620 So it's just a panel of three.

01:06:45.080 That's the way it's divided.

01:06:46.400 Now, they can ask for what's called a rehearing before the whole court, before there's something to the Supreme Court.

01:06:54.040 But needless to say, I think that, to me, I think the appeal is looking very strong from the defense side.

01:07:01.640 I think that it's very likely they're going to rule that she's disqualified, if nothing else, for the out-of-court statements that she made where she's slimed the defendants and their lawyers.

01:07:12.060 That's just absolutely unethical, and that's enough, I think, to get her disqualified, notwithstanding the affair. 0.99

01:07:17.740 But I think Georgia, one way or another, is dying on the vine.

01:07:21.520 I agree with you.

01:07:22.340 Viva, you were shaking your head yes when I said some lawyers think this judge will give Trump jail time.

01:07:28.700 Are you one of them?

01:07:31.020 I think it's more likely than it was before.

01:07:33.740 I mean, I keep making the joke that they found another rubicon to cross, and they keep upping the levels of the insanity.

01:07:39.600 They didn't go through a six-week trial so the judge could issue a $5,000 fine against Trump.

01:07:44.520 I mean, it's going to have to be more than $500.

01:07:46.600 I don't know what the statutory limit of any fine Mershonkin imposes, but they're going to try to do something punitive but not sufficiently egregious that it gets overturned on appeal.

01:07:57.260 Well, I'm not convinced anymore.

01:07:59.060 I mean, what are they going to put him on house arrest?

01:08:00.260 How about a suspended sentence?

01:08:01.640 Well, maybe.

01:08:03.200 Or, I don't know, something nominal, something symbolic.

01:08:07.000 So they can say not only is he a convicted felon, but he went to jail, or he had to go to jail for a day.

01:08:12.640 I don't know.

01:08:13.960 But there seems to be no limit to the insanity.

01:08:16.180 And also, just to go back to the idea of Biden pardoning Hunter, or if he loses, I said this before, and it's only a question of how it's going to come to be.

01:08:25.940 I don't think Biden's going to be on the ticket.

01:08:27.980 And so my longer play here is thinking, is this what we call the deep state of the administrative state?

01:08:33.380 Is this the powers that be lining it up so that Biden is either removed, has to be removed, or some other force intervenes?

01:08:39.880 I don't think Biden's going to be on the ticket, period.

01:08:42.520 And so the only question is going to be-

01:08:43.780 This is actually one of my favorite topics on earth.

01:08:45.840 So what's the theory?

01:08:47.660 Like, who do they, how do they get him out, and who do they replace him with?

01:08:51.080 Mental decline, now that it's been widely reported, incredibly reported, that he's mentally declined.

01:08:55.660 Some illness, maybe.

01:08:57.020 I had a dark, like a doom pill fear that, you know, this provocation of the right and going crazy after Trump, and people say, well, the next Rubicon to cross is physically harming Trump.

01:09:08.500 I don't think that it would achieve any goal that would be beneficial to anybody who would do it.

01:09:13.080 You'd get sympathy and, you know, the protest vote to support whoever would replace Trump.

01:09:18.620 Reverse that if you want to think like a diabolical, cynical, deep state.

01:09:22.460 Well, you want to get pity votes, and you want to get defiance votes.

01:09:26.260 Find a way to have something happen where Biden is removed as a result of a reaction from the right because they can't stand what, you know, is happening to Trump.

01:09:33.780 They lash out.

01:09:34.560 You get to blame it on them.

01:09:35.500 Maybe put in some more laws as far as surveillance goes, maybe put in restrictions as far as voting goes because of the risk.

01:09:41.100 At this point, I think Biden is just a deep state pawn, and the only question is how to most effectively politically, you know, steer the ticket come November.

01:09:51.540 I mean, they could use the Hunter Biden thing as an excuse to get him out of there.

01:09:57.060 You know, like, I am going to pardon my son, right?

01:10:01.100 I feel the need to pardon my son.

01:10:03.340 I think this is a political persecution.

01:10:05.440 Sad, sad, sad.

01:10:06.860 Drugs, drugs, drugs.

01:10:08.660 And I understand that there are political liabilities with that.

01:10:11.820 So here's the baton.

01:10:13.900 Michelle, do we, any votes there?

01:10:17.940 Gavin.

01:10:18.500 I would go with Gavin over Michelle.

01:10:19.980 But no, or something is disclosed.

01:10:21.600 Something is disclosed during this trial.

01:10:23.400 That, that is just the sinking, you know, the sinker for Biden.

01:10:27.620 I mean, look, evidence is going to be a juice.

01:10:29.980 There's going to be stuff that comes out.

01:10:31.360 Maybe some massive bombshell comes out.

01:10:33.740 Like, he objectively lied.

01:10:35.500 Biden stood up there on the, on the debate stage and lied.

01:10:38.260 Yes.

01:10:38.420 That that's not enough is a sign of the politics, but something worse can come up.

01:10:42.180 He certainly did.

01:10:43.460 And we could have played a three minute soundbite of Biden repeating that lie about the laptop being disinformation and it wasn't real and so on.

01:10:50.240 I mean, we could have gone over the failing media cross-examining, and I use that term in air quotes, Hunter Biden on the claims in his book and the laptop and him saying it might be real.

01:11:00.540 It might not be real.

01:11:01.460 I mean, CBS, you ought to be embarrassed.

01:11:03.360 You ought to be shamed of yourself.

01:11:04.800 Guys, what a great hour and 20.

01:11:07.200 Loved every minute of it.

01:11:08.300 Thank you both, Viva and Phil.

01:11:09.920 Thanks for having us.

01:11:10.780 Great to be here.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - June 05, 2024

Hunter Biden Texts Torpedo His Defense, and Kamala Calls Trump ＂Cheater,＂ with Viva Frei and Phil Holloway ｜ Ep. 810

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