The Megyn Kelly Show - Hunter Hypocrisy, and Trans vs. Girls Rights, with Glenn Greenwald, Carrie Prejean Boller, and Britt Mayer

00:00:00.560 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:12.140 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.440 We've got some of our favorites back on today for a busy Tuesday show, including Glenn Greenwald.

00:00:20.940 Despite being one of the most frequent guests on the show, it's been nearly six months since we've had Glenn on,

00:00:26.000 and there is a reason why. We'll talk about it in a minute.

00:00:29.020 But we begin with the news in America and in Brazil, and there's no person better to ask about it than Glenn.

00:00:36.080 He's a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist and now host of System Update on Rumble, where he's doing—is it a nightly newscast at 7 p.m., Glenn? Is it nightly?

00:00:46.920 It is nightly, and I should have listened to the people who warned me about how time-consuming that was, including probably you, but I was foolish and ignored them, and now I know.

00:00:57.140 But yeah, it's nightly, Monday through Friday, 7 p.m. Eastern.

00:01:00.360 Oh, that's awesome. Congrats. I love Rumble.

00:01:02.220 Thanks.

00:01:02.380 It's got run by great people, and I'm sure it's going to be a very big success.

00:01:06.980 So we'll get to all the personal reasons why, but can you just do me a favor?

00:01:11.780 Because I've been following the Brazil story with moderate interest.

00:01:15.600 I wouldn't say I'm rabidly interested in what's happening down there, but I'm moderately interested.

00:01:20.320 So give us, like, the 101 version for people who are like me, who, like, saw the riot, saw people very upset.

00:01:29.000 They don't believe that the election was free and fair, that Bolsonaro really lost.

00:01:33.580 Is that what they're upset about?

00:01:36.220 They feel like it's a stolen election, or is it that plus the fact that they can't stand the new guy?

00:01:41.400 Because here, it's like, to me, this is, like, far right to far left, and it seems hard to understand that the same country would elect both of those leaders.

00:01:51.840 Yeah.

00:01:52.120 So I'll just give you my very quick reason why I do think people should care about Brazil.

00:01:57.240 It's actually a gigantic country.

00:01:59.180 It's the sixth most populous country in the world.

00:02:02.500 It's the second largest in the hemisphere.

00:02:05.120 It has enormous oil reserves, some of the most important in the world, plus the most important environmental resource, which is the Amazon.

00:02:12.080 And that's why, during the Cold War, the Soviet Union and the U.S. were obsessed with Brazil.

00:02:16.580 It's easily the most influential country in America.

00:02:20.300 As for the recent politics of it, the government, Brazil, has been ruled by this, what some people consider this far left party, which is the Workers' Party created by Lula da Silva.

00:02:36.180 He grew up, you know, kind of, he grew up illiterate, in great poverty, became a labor leader.

00:02:41.880 So he sort of has this profile of a far leftist.

00:02:44.800 And he was very far to the left, but he ran for president three times, lost three times, and realized the only way he would win and successfully govern the country is if he moderated.

00:02:54.940 And he became, I wouldn't quite say, kind of an equivalent of, like, Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton, but much more like them than, say, Fidel Castro or Hugo Chavez.

00:03:04.320 He was the president from 2002 to 2010.

00:03:06.820 And regardless of what he secretly might have wished for, no one can know that, he governed as a kind of center-left leader.

00:03:18.580 The Brazilian economy, far from becoming Venezuela, exploded in growth for eight years under his presidency.

00:03:25.360 It became the sixth largest country in the world.

00:03:27.580 It passed the U.K.

00:03:28.620 But, you know, then his successor, Dilma Rousseff, was the president for six more years.

00:03:34.820 So when you have a party that's governing a country for 14 straight years, and then you have the good times and the bad times, people grow very disenchanted with it.

00:03:43.680 She ended up being impeached in 2016.

00:03:46.460 He ended up being imprisoned in 2017.

00:03:49.300 And so there was a lot of anger toward the establishment.

00:03:54.100 And Bolsonaro ended up kind of successfully exploiting that anger toward the establishment, much like Donald Trump did, by saying, I'm not from the center-left or the center-right.

00:04:05.720 I think they're both the same.

00:04:06.980 I hate the entire establishment.

00:04:08.920 And all that anger got channeled into the Bolsonaro movement.

00:04:12.280 And that's why he won in 2018.

00:04:13.980 As for what just happened, there was definitely a similar attempt like there was in the U.S. to persuade Bolsonaro supporters that he didn't really lose the election.

00:04:25.380 He lost very narrowly by two points, but that instead there was fraud.

00:04:30.160 I personally haven't seen any evidence of real fraud or systemic fraud.

00:04:35.860 So I think what's really going on is that, you know, especially because Bolsonaro's party in that same election had an amazing night.

00:04:43.080 I mean, they won the key governorship.

00:04:45.100 So if there was fraud, you know, it was only on one part of the ballot.

00:04:48.520 I don't think there was.

00:04:49.360 I think Brazil's a really polarized country like the U.S. and Brazil.

00:04:53.400 And a lot of the anger was because of that.

00:04:55.700 Yeah, that's always like that was part of the Trump problem when he was claiming that he was, you know, denied votes in Michigan and so on.

00:05:02.420 Then you'd look at places where the Republicans just crushed under Trump on the very same ballot, which really undermines the suggestion that some fix was in.

00:05:10.480 And never mind the Sidney Powell stuff like it's it's in and it's being controlled from a foreign country where they're manipulating all the ballots.

00:05:16.900 But, you know, only at this level and not the lower levels, whatever.

00:05:20.740 So, OK, so Bolsonaro is now down in Florida recovering from he was stabbed when he ran in 2018.

00:05:28.500 It's so crazy and says he has ongoing medical issues from that.

00:05:31.700 Now he's down in Florida.

00:05:32.660 People are gathering outside of his house and he's sort of a hero to a lot of people, but also a villain to others.

00:05:37.740 Because is he now there's pressure from from some here in our own country, including the Biden White House, to potentially tell him to go home, to get out of here.

00:05:47.000 Why would we get involved in that?

00:05:48.700 Like, where is this is this over now?

00:05:50.540 Is it like is it going to die down and he's going to go back home and is going to end or what's the next step in this saga?

00:05:56.260 Well, I mean, first of all, you know, it actually sickens me when I see American leftist and liberals mocking how how often he ends up hospitalized.

00:06:04.320 I mean, when he was running for president, a gigantic knife was plunged and tore the whole thing up.

00:06:10.760 He was 90 seconds away from dying.

00:06:12.440 90 seconds later, he would have been dead.

00:06:14.780 And arriving at the hospital, his entire abdominal region was reconstructed.

00:06:18.700 Of course, he has all kinds of ongoing problems.

00:06:20.540 He's a 67 year old man.

00:06:23.280 But I think, you know, it's it's this is what happens when people speak in ignorance.

00:06:27.660 So you have people like AOC and Joaquin Castro saying Bolsonaro will be extradited back to Brazil.

00:06:35.160 The Brazilian government, very notably, is not asking for Bolsonaro to be extradited.

00:06:40.380 There aren't criminal charges pending against Bolsonaro.

00:06:43.000 So how would the United States government extradite him?

00:06:45.860 Of course, the U.S. government would have the right, like it does with any foreign national,

00:06:49.940 to expel any foreign national from the country, even if they entered legally, which Bolsonaro did.

00:06:56.380 You don't you're not under requirement to host a foreign national if you don't want.

00:07:00.420 But they can't order him back to Brazil.

00:07:02.820 He's there's no deportation or extradition process requested.

00:07:07.300 It's just it's it's just that kind of thing that social media stars like AOC say in order to get social media attention

00:07:14.360 without giving the slightest thought to the reality that I believe anyway, that Bolsonaro,

00:07:19.680 that the new government doesn't want Bolsonaro back on Brazil.

00:07:23.060 They don't want the government and the politics being dominated by a trial of Jair Bolsonaro that will tear the country apart.

00:07:30.520 My my belief is that he left the country on the last day as part of an agreement with the Supreme Court,

00:07:36.760 where they basically said, look, you don't route, don't write, you know, incite your your crazies.

00:07:41.520 Don't get tell them that the election was fraudulent and that they should go out in the street, which he didn't.

00:07:47.040 He basically disappeared from public life ever since the election was over.

00:07:50.440 Quietly leave the country. We'll move on with our governing.

00:07:53.900 And then maybe after six months, when things are calmer, you can come back.

00:07:57.800 So to watch AOC and Joaquin Castro and other Democrats and people in our media saying send them back to Brazil

00:08:03.680 when there's no signs at least yet that the Brazilian government wants him back

00:08:07.960 is just the kind of narcissism and stupidity that so often governs our discourse.

00:08:13.120 Hmm. Well, it's very fair of you to say that, too, because obviously this guy's put you through a lot.

00:08:17.800 His government put you through a lot, which is one of the reasons why you come on.

00:08:22.220 And we always mock these reporters who talk about how rough it is, how hard it is to be criticized.

00:08:26.840 But it's like, call me when they try to put you in jail.

00:08:30.000 And they do. They do put you in jail.

00:08:31.680 And they try to take away your freedoms permanently for doing reporting on their alleged corruption and other misdeeds,

00:08:37.580 which is your situation.

00:08:39.240 All right. We'll continue to watch what happens down there.

00:08:41.120 It's just those those videos of the riots in the street were, you know,

00:08:45.160 they were kind of reminiscent of January 6th.

00:08:46.980 And it was shocking to see.

00:08:48.760 I didn't realize Brazil, I knew it was number two in the region,

00:08:54.060 but I didn't realize it was actually like over 200 million people, like 213 million people.

00:08:58.240 That's huge.

00:08:59.800 So, yeah, we got to keep an eye on it.

00:09:01.680 And you're down there doing exactly that.

00:09:03.600 But farther north, up here where we are, there is controversy as well.

00:09:07.600 Continues to mount over the Biden documents.

00:09:09.720 And now we're on the fourth tranche of documents that they've found.

00:09:13.680 All four have been found by his lawyers.

00:09:16.180 The first two, his personal lawyers, and the second two by this sort of counsel

00:09:20.200 that he brought in to run cover for him at the White House counsel's office.

00:09:23.940 And not one by the FBI, even though we realize there are documents running rampant all over the Biden estate.

00:09:29.640 And, you know, as much as we all would like to see them declassify documents, we can we can tackle that battle another time,

00:09:35.600 you know, more regularly and not classify virtually everything just so that we can't see it.

00:09:41.020 These were marked top secret, according to the reports, and they weren't well kept.

00:09:45.380 So now we're in a position where we can't get real answers.

00:09:49.140 And Corrie Jean-Pierre, who is completely inept at managing any real information flow,

00:09:53.720 has just bounced past everything to the Justice Department, which let me tell you,

00:09:57.720 when I was brought on at Fox News in 2004 as a junior, you know, cub reporter covering the Supreme Court and justice,

00:10:04.660 you get no information out of justice.

00:10:07.620 You never get any information out of justice.

00:10:09.700 The only time you get an information out of justice is when Merrick Garland is secretly leaking to you

00:10:13.520 because he wants to publicize the Trump Mar-a-Lago raid because he thinks it makes him look good.

00:10:17.760 Other than that, you get nothing.

00:10:18.880 Right.

00:10:19.400 And here's an example of what the messaging has been now out of the White House with a hat tip

00:10:25.460 to Jim Garrity of National Review, who highlighted these in a great piece on National Review yesterday.

00:10:29.360 But as far as you know, is it ever okay for classified documents to be mixed with personal?

00:10:35.100 What I can say, look, what I can say is what the president has said before, what I have said multiple times.

00:10:41.040 We take this very seriously.

00:10:42.620 The president takes classified information, classified documents very seriously.

00:10:47.300 We want to respect the process.

00:10:49.560 And so that's what I'm going to do.

00:10:50.880 I'm going to refer you to the Department of Justice.

00:10:52.340 You're confident he followed whatever protocol was in place.

00:10:55.300 Again, this is something that he takes very seriously.

00:10:59.160 The president, when it comes to classified documents, when it comes to classified information.

00:11:04.180 The president has said he hopes to speak about this soon.

00:11:07.060 When can people expect to hear from him?

00:11:09.240 Don't have, again, that's a, that is, that is something that I can't, I don't have a magic wand here.

00:11:15.000 I don't know when that's going to happen.

00:11:17.100 Okay.

00:11:17.400 So just in case you were wondering, Glenn, he takes classified documents very seriously.

00:11:21.800 Yes, I, I, that's definitely what I derived as well from her commentary, which of course provokes the question if he takes documents, classified documents.

00:11:32.420 So seriously, why does he appear to be strewing them about in multiple places wherever he goes?

00:11:38.640 Kind of like a little, you know, troll in the desert leaving breadcrumbs for, for the little children to pick up.

00:11:46.680 Um, you know, wherever he goes, they just seem to fall out of his pocket when I know you wanted to leave this issue aside.

00:11:53.480 But when the whole thing happened with Trump and Mar-a-Lago, the reason I didn't take that particularly seriously is because, you know, as somebody who has spent as a journalist many years reading through enormous archives, multiple archives of top secret or secret or classified documents.

00:12:08.540 I do know that everything in Washington, even most banal things get marked classified in secret because the government reflexively keeps everything they do from us is secret, which is its own problem.

00:12:19.500 Nonetheless, as you pointed out, the law is the law and a lot of people have gone to prison for handling classified documents far less recklessly than Joe Biden appears to have handled them.

00:12:33.480 And what's good for the goose is good for the gander. We don't have two sets of law in this in this country, or at least we're not supposed to, where, you know, low level functionaries in the State Department take homework to work on it and entails the classified information.

00:12:47.980 And they end up getting prosecuted or having their reputations ruined.

00:12:51.400 And so there is a lot of karmic justice in this because Democrats really thought they had Trump this time.

00:12:57.860 You know, you've I'm sure you've seen your audience has seen five years of clips from New York Times, op-ed writers and MSNBC and CNN hosts.

00:13:05.040 The walls are closing in on Trump. He's really about to be in prison this time.

00:13:09.060 And they really thought they had him this time. And then they ran into the problem, pretty big problem that Joe Biden appears to have done exactly what Donald Trump is accused of doing, only worse in the sense that it's not a one time removal, but multiple instances.

00:13:26.260 And I doubt we've seen them all on top of the fact that Trump's defense, whatever you think of it, which is that as president, I have the absolute right to do anything I want, which is true, isn't available to Biden because these were when he was vice president.

00:13:39.040 So I think, you know, the problem now becomes Democrats have painted themselves into a corner where they're the ones who have said that crimes of this kind are so grave that the person must go to prison because they've jeopardized our national security.

00:13:54.460 So how do they have any way out, given that we know at least four instances that Biden took not just classified documents, but top secret documents about Ukraine and Iran, put them in his garage where his son, Hunter Biden, had access to them, where we know what his problems were, his money problems were.

00:14:13.300 He was on the board of a Ukrainian energy company. There were top secret documents about Ukraine sitting in that garage to which Hunter Biden had access.

00:14:21.060 So I think the Democrats have a gigantic problem on their hands.

00:14:26.300 And now you've got Democrats like Debbie Stabenow, outgoing senator from Michigan, saying, you know, the people don't really care about this.

00:14:33.260 They don't care about documents and investigations.

00:14:36.180 Of course, now that it's a Democrat or the top Democrat on the hot seat, get on with the people's business after, you know, the salivation on the left over those Trump Mar-a-Lago documents.

00:14:47.880 I mean, it's just so transparent.

00:14:50.700 They they they sent the FBI to Mar-a-Lago in the single most flamboyant way possible, like they did so many times during Russiagate when they went to go and arrest people close to Trump who are completely peaceful, who were totally willing to surrender voluntarily.

00:15:06.300 You had showed no signs of resistance. They would call CNN to make sure cameras were ready when the FBI arrived, a complete abuse of, you know, the police state that we have in the United States from political ends.

00:15:17.900 So overtly. And now suddenly, basically, the main critique of Democrats for five years or four years of the Trump administration and before that, the campaign was nothing but investigative.

00:15:30.080 It wasn't substantive policy objections. It was Russiagate and obstruction and now classified documents at Mar-a-Lago.

00:15:38.160 And as you say, the minute Biden has his own scandal like that and really even worse, I think, suddenly it becomes, oh, no one cares about lawbreaking and classified material and where Biden is, you know, tossing top secret documents around.

00:15:51.640 They just care about bread and butter issues. You know, the hypocrisy is stunning. And ordinarily, I wouldn't bother me. Hypocrisy in politics is, you know, as common as as as anything in politics.

00:16:03.360 It's existed for as long as politics has. But what bothers me is the actual abuse of power of law enforcement agencies and the Justice Department and the FBI, which we know is being is being weaponized and politicized.

00:16:17.520 That's the part that I think is truly concerning. Well, it's definitely, I think, going to the place where Trump does not get pursued and neither does Biden.

00:16:25.320 I mean, I really think Biden saved Trump. And so neither of these big guys is going to get prosecuted.

00:16:30.500 And, you know, as you point out, as as Andy McCarthy had a great piece on the other day, there are regular Americans who work for DOD or what have you who are looking at 10 years in prison right now for having far less classified material at their homes

00:16:46.240 than Joe Biden was just found with at his. How does the DOJ turn around? How do they go in at those sentencing hearings and say Jane Smith gets 10 years?

00:16:56.620 We want her 10 years in prison for the crime we're giving a complete pass to Joe Biden for.

00:17:02.840 Exactly. I mean, set aside more controversial cases of, you know, huge leakers of classified material like Daniel Ellsberg deliberately delivering huge amounts of top secret documents to The New York Times or Edward Snowden doing that with me.

00:17:16.260 We're Chelsea Manning and Leaky Leaks. Those are deliberate acts of what they regard as whistleblowing other people regard as crimes.

00:17:22.820 I think it's very important to distinguish that from what you just said, which is the fact that there are people who have been prosecuted and who have been in prison for no deliberate transgression of the law at all.

00:17:34.340 No malice whatsoever. People who took work home and inadvertently part of that work that they took home was classified material.

00:17:41.500 Because, again, when we hear classified material, people think, wow, that must be nuclear secrets or troop movements.

00:17:48.040 Sometimes, I mean, Megan, when I was working with the Snowden Archive, I would see things like manuals on how to get parking credentials or how CIA employees could request special meals for lunch.

00:18:02.040 And they would be marked secret and classified, which means it was illegal to disclose them.

00:18:06.780 The two worst instances of leaking of classified material in the last, say, 10 to 15 years was Leon Panetta leaked the most sensitive materials about how we found Osama bin Laden to the filmmakers that were filming that were making Zero Dark Thirty, the theatrical film.

00:18:25.600 It was scheduled to be released weeks before the 2012 presidential election.

00:18:30.720 Obama, remember, was running on the fact that he got Osama bin Laden.

00:18:34.180 General Motors is alive. Osama bin Laden is dead.

00:18:36.700 Leon Panetta gave them information about the identity of the SEALs, the Navy SEALs, and the technology we used to track down Osama bin Laden because he wanted to enable them to create a hagiography to glorify Barack Obama before the election.

00:18:49.600 He faced no charges, even though everyone knows he leaked toxic documents.

00:18:54.940 And the worst case was David Petraeus, who was also Obama's CIA director, his favorite general, who gave what's called the black book, parts of the black book, the government's most sensitive secrets to his mistress so that she could write a hagiography, a biography of him and make him look good.

00:19:12.700 He got a slap on the wrist, a misdemeanor charge and a fine and never spent a day in prison.

00:19:18.380 And that, I think, is what people are tired of is this two tiered system of justice where if you're powerful in Washington, if you have the right politics, you get immunized.

00:19:27.620 And if you don't, you have the weight of the law come crashing down upon you.

00:19:30.980 Mm hmm. And on the DOJ subject, you know, as well as I do, that Merrick Garland was leaking.

00:19:37.200 His DOJ was leaking to The Washington Post and The New York Times about what was allegedly found in the Trump stash down at Mar-a-Lago.

00:19:44.460 Oh, nuclear secrets. They wanted us to believe he was selling nuclear secrets to some enemy.

00:19:49.320 That was the clear implication that he was some sort of double agent.

00:19:52.600 I mean, it was absolutely absurd where they went with it.

00:19:54.780 And there's no way that those organizations would have known any of that had they not gotten the leaks from the DOJ.

00:20:01.080 So to them, he wants to make Trump look bad. He leaks.

00:20:04.260 But now not only are we not going to get any information from the DOJ, even though KJP is like, go to the DOJ, go to the DOJ.

00:20:10.800 But we now find out he's been silent on this since November that he was told they found the original original tranche of documents in Joe Biden's office in early November before the midterms.

00:20:22.300 And he cooperated to keep it quiet. Another batch, December 20th, kept it quiet.

00:20:28.220 And, you know, again, in that same Garrity piece, he raises the question of, does anybody think this would have been a huge game changer before the midterms?

00:20:36.000 Probably not. But can we really say he points out the following, Glenn?

00:20:39.580 Could it have cost Democrats the 310 votes in New Mexico's second congressional district that made the difference, the 1600 plus votes in Colorado, Colorado's eighth, 1800 plus votes in Connecticut's fifth or 2600 plus votes in Washington's third district?

00:20:58.760 We don't know. Those are pretty tight. Maybe those are people on the fence.

00:21:02.320 A lot of independents were thought to go that they were going to go Republican and they went Democrat last minute, which was unusual in a midterm election.

00:21:10.120 They usually vote for the party out of power. And who knows whether this would have been the last straw, sickening, disgusting thing that would have changed the vote.

00:21:17.380 We don't know. But there won't be a press inquiring as to that question.

00:21:21.200 But Megan, this is why I will probably go to my grave still talking about what happened before the 2020 election with regard to the lie that was circulated by former intelligence officials and then ratified by the media and used by big tech to censor the reporting about Joe Biden, namely this complete fabrication that the Hunter Biden laptop was, quote, Russian disinformation, because whether or not it would have swung the election.

00:21:47.380 And that was an extremely close election. And so had the public gotten to hear things like what Joe Biden was doing and trading on his family's name or his brother and son were doing and trading on his name in China and Ukraine in order to profit, not just themselves, but Joe Biden himself, maybe it wouldn't have had any any any any effect.

00:22:06.340 We'll never know. Everyone now admits those documents on the Hunter Biden laptop were authentic.

00:22:10.380 Everyone on this knew at the time those documents were authentic.

00:22:13.740 I was willing to stake my career on it because I quit the intercept when they refused to let me write about it by claiming, oh, we don't know what's authentic.

00:22:19.740 I knew they were authentic, just like, you know, in the same way that we've authenticated other documents.

00:22:24.620 When you have the Justice Department, the FBI, the CIA interfering in our domestic politics to try and generate an outcome that they prefer and avoid the one they don't prefer, that is a very grave threat to our democratic values.

00:22:39.580 And that's exactly what is happening with these agencies.

00:22:43.580 Well, this subject came up on the Sunday shows with Chuck Todd, who purports to be he's no Tim Russert.

00:22:50.240 I mean, he purports to be that sort of fair and tough on both sides.

00:22:54.040 Obviously, it's not true.

00:22:55.220 And he had Ron Johnson, a Republican from Wisconsin, a senator on his show and meet the press on Sunday.

00:23:01.760 And they were talking about Hunter Biden and the investigations that are now going to take place.

00:23:08.500 And Ron Johnson was having to defend himself on wanting to pursue these investigations into what Hunter Biden did under his dad's name and what benefit there was to the sitting president of the United States.

00:23:20.500 Now, then, for a period of Hunter's antics, the sitting vice president or immediately post vice president about to run for president.

00:23:27.760 All these things make him compromised if he was potentially in on some financial scheme with foreign countries and so on through his son.

00:23:35.180 We'll never know the full extent unless we investigate.

00:23:36.980 So Ron Johnson wants you and Chuck Todd was pressing him on it.

00:23:39.880 And listen to how this went.

00:23:41.460 I'll take it at your word that you're ethically bothered by Hunter Biden.

00:23:45.140 I'm curious, though.

00:23:46.280 You seem to have a pattern.

00:23:47.400 Are you not?

00:23:47.940 I seem to have a pattern.

00:23:49.200 I'm a journalist.

00:23:50.060 I have to deal in facts.

00:23:50.760 Are you not?

00:23:51.060 I deal in facts.

00:23:52.280 I'm concerned about getting the truth.

00:23:54.080 I don't target individuals, target individuals.

00:23:56.520 You don't?

00:23:57.120 You're targeting Hunter Biden multiple times on this show, Senator.

00:24:00.820 You're targeting an individual.

00:24:02.000 Chuck, my concern, you know, Chuck, you know, part of the problem.

00:24:06.980 And this is pretty obvious to anybody watching.

00:24:08.760 This is you don't invite me on to interview me.

00:24:11.080 You invite me on to argue with me.

00:24:13.140 Part of the reasons our politics are inflamed is we do not have an unbiased media.

00:24:18.440 We don't.

00:24:18.980 It's unfortunate.

00:24:19.720 I'm all for a free press.

00:24:21.280 It needs to be more unbiased.

00:24:23.120 Senator, look.

00:24:23.320 There's misinformation on both sides.

00:24:25.080 But the censorship and suppression primarily occurs from the left.

00:24:28.820 It's frustrating.

00:24:29.340 Look, you can go back on your partisan cable cocoon and talk about media bias all you want.

00:24:34.400 I understand it's part of your identity.

00:24:36.720 Wow.

00:24:37.200 This is the same guy who has a show on MSNBC.

00:24:40.080 He's part of the partisan cable cocoon and has been for a long time.

00:24:44.720 But I love his I'm above it all.

00:24:46.960 At one point there, he says, I have skepticism of both parties.

00:24:51.700 Really?

00:24:52.300 Where's the evidence of that?

00:24:53.440 Is that, you know, maybe it pops up every 10th interview or so for a moment.

00:24:56.660 But you don't and he's putting it back on him saying, you know, look, there's really

00:25:03.540 no reason I'll accept, I guess, that your interest in Hunter is sincere.

00:25:08.540 Right.

00:25:08.920 I'll take you at your word that you're that you are ethically bothered.

00:25:12.520 And this is Ron Johnson.

00:25:13.760 Why aren't you?

00:25:14.620 Why wouldn't you want us to look into this?

00:25:16.460 Right.

00:25:16.620 Glenn, what do you make of it?

00:25:17.780 I mean, first of all, I mean, obviously, what Chuck Todd meant there when he's to go back

00:25:20.860 to your partisan cocoon is he's saying Fox News is a partisan cocoon, whereas we on these

00:25:27.240 all these other networks and the rest of the media are not just the other day.

00:25:31.160 Tucker Carlson goes on his show and says, why don't we know?

00:25:34.720 Why aren't we seeing Mitch McConnell's tax returns?

00:25:37.440 Where did all of his wealth come from?

00:25:39.480 This is the senior Washington, the senior Republican in Washington.

00:25:42.880 So that's supposedly the partisan cocoon, a network that constantly criticizes and attacks

00:25:49.400 Republican leaders in a journalistic way.

00:25:51.600 You will never hear on MSNBC or CNN any major critiques of senior Democratic leaders in Washington,

00:25:59.420 anything like what Tucker said many other times or other people on Fox say about Republicans.

00:26:05.660 And the fact that, as Ron Johnson said, you're telling me, why am I interested?

00:26:11.120 Why aren't you interested?

00:26:12.820 We know for sure that Hunter Biden was trading on his father's name in a critical country,

00:26:18.580 Ukraine, which we're now centrally involved in to the point of a clear proxy war.

00:26:23.260 Whatever you think of that war, you're for it or against it.

00:26:26.000 It's a very dangerous war.

00:26:27.260 We're centrally involved in it.

00:26:28.840 We know that the Biden family was heavily involved in trying to profit and did profit in Ukraine.

00:26:34.240 Why would you not want to investigate that?

00:26:36.400 And why is it left to the Republican Party to do?

00:26:38.640 We have a media that's supposed to be doing that.

00:26:41.060 And the fact that they refuse to, it's amazing.

00:26:43.880 That clip from Chuck Todd proved everything Ron Johnson was saying.

00:26:48.100 Exactly right.

00:26:48.600 And that wasn't the only one.

00:26:49.660 There was another exchange Chuck Todd had with James Comer about investigations into Hunter

00:26:54.720 Biden.

00:26:55.520 And he tries to dismiss it all as you got a personal vendetta, Comer.

00:27:00.380 This is personal for you.

00:27:01.420 Listen to this.

00:27:02.340 It's hot six.

00:27:02.700 There are emails and text messages that show Hunter Biden complaining about having to spend

00:27:08.300 so much money keeping his dad up.

00:27:10.920 I mean, that's a concern because Hunter Biden's only source of income were from our adversaries

00:27:14.920 in China and Russia for influence peddling.

00:27:17.600 So this is something that we should look into.

00:27:19.960 This isn't political.

00:27:21.460 We want to know it was the president truthful when he said he didn't have any knowledge

00:27:25.480 or involvement of his family's shady business dealings.

00:27:28.020 Once we determine that, we'll move on.

00:27:30.120 Well, it does sound personal at that.

00:27:32.860 And we'll see how the year goes on.

00:27:34.980 OK, let me just so he this House Oversight Committee chairman, James Comer, he gets he

00:27:42.300 gets ripped.

00:27:42.760 It's personal if you want to go after Hunter.

00:27:44.580 Ron Johnson gets ripped.

00:27:46.260 Go back to your partisan cable cocoon if you if you think it's media bias that I'm not interested

00:27:50.000 in Hunter Biden.

00:27:51.120 And let's just see.

00:27:51.980 Maybe maybe Chuck Todd just has no interest in investigations of members of the president's

00:27:58.120 family.

00:27:58.380 Maybe he thinks that's just a waste of taxpayer time.

00:28:00.740 We shouldn't buy.

00:28:01.540 You know what?

00:28:02.140 There's tape.

00:28:02.980 Let's just take a look.

00:28:03.960 Let's take a look.

00:28:04.680 Oh, there is.

00:28:05.580 Yeah.

00:28:05.740 When Trump was president.

00:28:07.020 And let's let's see how he sounded back then.

00:28:09.120 Stop five.

00:28:10.380 Donald Trump's campaign may have all sorts of problems, but one thing we know, it's been

00:28:13.940 good for business.

00:28:15.260 His business.

00:28:16.320 The Trump campaign paid nearly five thousand dollars to Eric Trump wine manufacturing.

00:28:20.800 The campaign has spent over six million dollars at Trump owned businesses.

00:28:24.960 Do you believe that Deutsche Bank financial records are going to show you?

00:28:27.780 If this is a form of compromise, it needs to be exposed.

00:28:31.820 Do you now believe that the Trump organization is a criminal enterprise?

00:28:34.900 Let's just say that they committed crimes.

00:28:36.940 Mr. Trump sought to make millions in business dealings with Russia during the campaign.

00:28:41.320 And no, the investigation was not a witch hunt.

00:28:45.300 And we could go.

00:28:46.000 I mean, honestly, that clip could have gone on for another five minutes targeting the children

00:28:49.480 and so on.

00:28:50.460 Very different story now.

00:28:51.700 Megan, when I first started writing about politics in 2005, when when I was a lawyer

00:28:57.540 and then kind of had a career change, one of my primary critiques in the media was that

00:29:02.680 they were insufficiently adversarial to the government.

00:29:05.200 They would fail to challenge statements by government leaders that often were untrue or dubious.

00:29:12.320 They would kind of just, you know, pass them along.

00:29:14.580 I never liked the form of journalism that said this side says this, this side says this.

00:29:19.640 Who are we to decide who's right?

00:29:21.700 You know, I think it is the job of journalists trying to find the truth and not just pass

00:29:25.780 along mindlessly what each side was saying.

00:29:28.980 And so sometimes people would ask me during the Trump era years when the media was being

00:29:33.500 so adversarial to Trump.

00:29:34.800 Well, you know, the kinds of things Chuck Todd was raising.

00:29:36.760 Some of those are legitimate questions.

00:29:38.760 Aren't you happy that the media is now being more adversarial to the government?

00:29:42.200 I would say I would be throwing parties if I thought that this was really a change in

00:29:47.680 media behavior that was going to endure past the Trump administration.

00:29:51.920 But since I know that it's not going to, that this is specific to Donald Trump, that the

00:29:58.260 minute there's a Democrat in the White House or there's a Republican who's more acceptable,

00:30:02.860 a kind of more establishment type that they like a little bit more and can live with, all

00:30:06.720 of that behavior is going to disappear.

00:30:08.280 And you just, you know, there's you could spend, as you say, weeks showing videotape

00:30:13.260 that demonstrate that exactly the kinds of things they were doing and questions they

00:30:17.480 were asking during the Trump years are now suddenly ones they've declared off limits with

00:30:21.640 Joe Biden in the White House.

00:30:23.600 But now, you know, when a Republican comes on and says, let's take a look at this Hunter

00:30:26.700 Biden and Joe Biden, you know, corruption influence peddling situation.

00:30:30.220 It's, oh, I'm sure it's personal or OK, I'll take you at your word that you have a sincere

00:30:35.040 interest in that.

00:30:35.800 Why don't you have a sincere interest in that?

00:30:37.960 Why don't you want to know, especially now that we know Hunter Biden was living in the

00:30:40.980 home where all those classified documents were?

00:30:43.240 Why did he ever access them?

00:30:44.720 Will anybody subpoena him and find out?

00:30:46.400 Not that we'd get the truth, but it might be interesting.

00:30:48.760 And I remain on this front on this push to what's being done or already has been done

00:30:54.380 since they found those Biden documents in November to figure out where the Obama documents

00:30:59.300 stand.

00:30:59.840 How about the Carter documents?

00:31:01.060 How about the Bill Clinton?

00:31:02.480 How about all their vice presidents?

00:31:03.980 What if we're going to do this, we're going to have the nosy little national archivist go

00:31:08.400 sort of pimp out former presidents for the documents that he can't find on his log.

00:31:12.720 Let's do it to all of them.

00:31:13.860 Or has it already been done and just didn't leak out to the papers?

00:31:17.880 Would love to know.

00:31:19.320 Glenn Greedwald stays with us and we're going to talk about CNN now possibly getting Jon Stewart

00:31:25.540 to compete against Greg Gutfeld.

00:31:28.080 Oh, my God.

00:31:29.300 So the latest out of the struggling cable news networks, Glenn, is that CNN may now try

00:31:40.380 to throw comedy into the 9 p.m. to 11 p.m.

00:31:45.740 slot that remains vacated after Chris Cuomo was thrown out and Don Lemon was demoted to

00:31:52.840 being one of a trio on a fledgling, just unwatchable morning show.

00:31:57.660 But in any event, so they have two hours unfilled and they have nobody.

00:32:01.980 Let's face it.

00:32:02.500 CNN has no rising stars and they have nobody to fill them.

00:32:05.640 So they're looking over at Fox News and Greg Gutfeld is crushing it in his show, which goes

00:32:10.500 Monday through Friday at 11.

00:32:12.280 Roger always knew Greg Gutfeld was a star.

00:32:14.360 He used to tell me that that Gutfeld was one of the only ones he could put in O'Reilly's

00:32:18.960 chair when O'Reilly was out and draw a number.

00:32:21.920 And sure enough, he's drawn a number on his own now in his own in his own show.

00:32:25.180 So CNN reportedly looking at either trying to get Bill Maher.

00:32:31.240 Why would Bill Maher want to do that?

00:32:32.960 He already has his own successful show every Friday.

00:32:35.180 He's already got national influence on HBO.

00:32:37.120 Why would he join HBO?

00:32:38.100 I realize their sister now, HBO and CNN, Bill Maher or Jon Stewart, who technically remains

00:32:44.700 under contract to Apple, but his show is not doing very well and has been panned almost

00:32:48.460 universally.

00:32:49.380 So, you know, the left is in love with Jon Stewart.

00:32:51.440 And my thinking is, A, he's not the answer to their problems.

00:32:54.280 But B, I don't think the new owners of CNN who are trying to take it to a more newsy

00:32:57.960 place, remember, would ever OK that Jon Stewart.

00:33:02.180 But he seems to be the one they're eyeballing as the chief possibility.

00:33:06.460 What do you think?

00:33:07.880 I mean, first of all, I think it's an extraordinary thing that Greg Gutfeld is the number one late

00:33:16.100 night comedy hosts.

00:33:18.660 I mean, you know, when we were growing up, the Tonight Show was the place that all Americans

00:33:24.080 gathered.

00:33:24.700 You know, Johnny Carson was like the Walter Cronkite.

00:33:26.660 He brought everyone together.

00:33:28.220 Tens of millions of people watched.

00:33:30.800 And I understand that, you know, even with cable, it continued to be successful.

00:33:34.700 And I understand the environment is different now.

00:33:36.860 There's so many more options.

00:33:38.340 But the reality is, is that the market is completely oversaturated with the same kind

00:33:42.880 of person.

00:33:43.400 Every one of these supposedly edgy comedians like Jimmy Kimmel and Jimmy Fallon and who

00:33:51.020 are the others?

00:33:51.580 Seth Meyers.

00:33:53.700 Comedy Central.

00:33:55.580 Yeah.

00:33:56.160 Yeah.

00:33:56.580 They all sound like, you know, Nancy Pelosi's grandchild.

00:34:01.240 You know, they're all like good little boys who spout liberal pieties.

00:34:05.000 There's nothing funny about them.

00:34:07.020 They're completely predictable.

00:34:08.480 And everybody who turned into one of those kinds of liberals, like, oh, I'm going to make

00:34:12.900 jokes about how Trump is orange or how he has, you know, gay relations with Vladimir

00:34:17.160 Putin.

00:34:18.120 None of these people succeeded because they all ended up copying one another and all sounded

00:34:22.840 exactly alike.

00:34:24.040 So whatever you think about what Jon Stewart used to be, what he is now is that, you know,

00:34:31.060 there's not a single left wing or liberal piety he's willing to challenge or offend.

00:34:37.920 He's just Stephen Colbert.

00:34:39.600 He's, you know, a copy of everybody else.

00:34:42.080 So to take someone like that, that type, that prototype, he's already failing.

00:34:47.000 You know, yes, he was a big deal.

00:34:48.740 Stephen Colbert used to be a big deal, too.

00:34:51.120 But they all became the same thing.

00:34:52.780 And that's why Greg Gutfeld is the number one late night host in the country on Fox and

00:34:57.940 not even on one of the networks.

00:34:59.260 Um, and so CNN is, I think, nothing more than it's the whole model is dying.

00:35:06.080 You know, the model of just being a cable show that feeds people 24 hours a day, the

00:35:11.180 same ideology, the same fealty to one party that produces the same content that you get

00:35:17.320 if you open the Atlantic or the New Yorker or read on the op-ed page of the New York Times

00:35:22.280 or, or, or the Washington Post or on any of these, it's all the same.

00:35:27.280 So why would anybody want to watch any of this when you're getting it constantly fed to you

00:35:32.560 all the time?

00:35:33.000 And that's why the part of the media that is growing is our part.

00:35:36.220 The part that is independent, that's heterodox, that's not controlled.

00:35:40.240 That's who people trust.

00:35:42.560 So, you know, good luck with Jon Stewart.

00:35:44.600 I mean, if that's who they think is going to be the savior of CNN.

00:35:47.020 I mean, to me, you know, Jon Stewart is failing because he's just not funny.

00:35:52.100 He sounds like the rest of them.

00:35:53.860 Mm hmm.

00:35:54.360 I just pulled this up just for kicks.

00:35:56.800 Um, this is seven plus years ago, 2015.

00:36:01.860 Fallon was pulling in about 3.78 million a night.

00:36:04.740 Colbert, 3.17 million.

00:36:06.600 Kimmel, 2.53 million.

00:36:08.880 Seth, Seth Meyers.

00:36:10.060 He's always been the loser of the bunch.

00:36:11.580 1.62 million and so on.

00:36:13.860 Okay.

00:36:14.040 So, you know, Fallon and Colbert, neck and neck, uh, for top dog at 3.78, 3.17.

00:36:20.980 You know what they're getting now?

00:36:22.860 Uh, this is just the latest I pulled, uh, from September a couple months ago.

00:36:26.540 Uh, Colbert, 1.8 million.

00:36:30.300 Fallon, 1.4.

00:36:32.940 Kimmel, 1.3.

00:36:34.700 Their audience has disappeared.

00:36:37.440 It has disappeared.

00:36:38.660 And do you have any idea how much those guys are getting paid to put those paltry numbers

00:36:43.980 on the board?

00:36:44.980 These are extremely expensive shows.

00:36:47.860 Extreme.

00:36:48.280 I know I worked at NBC.

00:36:49.660 I've seen how it works behind the scenes.

00:36:51.400 They're extremely expensive to produce.

00:36:53.480 And it's just not a sustainable business model.

00:36:55.940 Nevermind what's happening at Comedy Central, where the daily show was like 340,000 viewers

00:37:01.760 a night, Gutfeld over 2 million every night on cable, where you necessarily get fewer

00:37:08.220 viewers because people have to pay to have cable, whereas broadcast comes right into their

00:37:12.200 into their TV.

00:37:13.760 So there's a reason instead of just thinking about, you know, what are they doing that works?

00:37:18.820 Like maybe we could be ripping on both sides like Jay Leno used to do, right?

00:37:22.740 When the show used to be successful.

00:37:24.380 Nope.

00:37:24.840 They're, they don't want to do that.

00:37:26.080 They're going to double down on their partisanship or they're going to both double down on their

00:37:30.180 partisanship and they're going to try to call a comedy like they do with Jon Stewart.

00:37:33.800 The other possibility, Glenn, is they may, they've discussed turning the 9 to 12 midnight

00:37:42.680 hours into a series of shows modeled, brace yourself, like a variety program with shows

00:37:51.820 within shows for different journalists, one network said reportedly.

00:37:56.560 So I guess we're going to get like the Anderson Cooper, Wilf Blitzer, Don Lemon variety hour

00:38:04.280 because none of those people worked or is working right now as journalists.

00:38:08.520 But we think if what they sing and dance, people are going to watch.

00:38:11.580 I just read an article this week that NBC is deeply regretting.

00:38:21.000 They just extended Jimmy Fallon's contract, which is an $85 million contract, I think for

00:38:28.460 five years.

00:38:29.460 So what does that math like $15 million a year or more?

00:38:32.940 And he's getting a smaller audience than Greg Gutfeld on cable, as you just said.

00:38:40.860 I mean, again, I know the media ecosystem has changed.

00:38:44.220 No one expects, say, Johnny Carson numbers.

00:38:46.420 You know, the other option, Megan, for comedians might just be to like actually do comedy and

00:38:52.540 not be political commentators.

00:38:54.720 But we don't accept that anymore in our culture.

00:38:57.320 You can't watch a sports network without being battered over the head with political ideology

00:39:02.800 and dogma.

00:39:03.860 Everything has become politicized.

00:39:06.060 Everything, you know, there is no such thing any longer as cultural products that unite

00:39:10.560 all Americans that are devoid of political content.

00:39:16.160 And, you know, I'm not like occasionally Johnny Carson or somebody like that would, you know,

00:39:20.380 kind of wander a little bit into a political cause.

00:39:23.340 But it was not intended for that.

00:39:25.420 It was an entertainment show.

00:39:26.460 It was a comedy show they had on actresses and actors and people and comedians.

00:39:30.120 And that was why it was successful.

00:39:31.620 But there's no conception of that anymore.

00:39:33.860 You know, the funniest thing I ever saw happen is CNN decided to launch CNN Plus.

00:39:41.780 Hosted by people that you could watch for free, but that everyone is choosing not to watch for

00:39:47.740 free, and they were shocked to learn that nobody was willing to pay to watch the people

00:39:52.720 they're already not watching for free.

00:39:54.540 And it got put out of his misery in 21 days.

00:39:57.780 So these are not geniuses running CNN.

00:40:00.960 And I think their problem is, in reality, they're trying to fix what is actually just a completely

00:40:07.140 broken ship.

00:40:07.900 It's sinking.

00:40:08.880 And it's the proverbial moving of deck chairs around as it does.

00:40:12.180 It would be amazing if in this era where they think they're appeasing Republicans and trying

00:40:16.660 to get Republican viewers and independent viewers to come back to them by hiring some Fox, not

00:40:21.240 some Fox, but some Republican contributors.

00:40:23.500 You know, they've hired a couple of GOP contributors that then they they give two hours of their prime

00:40:29.060 time to Jon Stewart.

00:40:31.480 OK, see how that works out with the people you're trying to win back.

00:40:35.620 OK, you've been warned.

00:40:36.960 I've gone on record.

00:40:38.040 So is Glenn.

00:40:38.660 See how that works out.

00:40:39.720 It's not going to go very well.

00:40:41.380 All right.

00:40:41.980 Before we go, I want to ask you about you, if you don't mind, and do a little personal

00:40:45.860 Glenn Greenwald news, because you've really been struggling.

00:40:49.440 You and your husband have really been struggling with his health.

00:40:53.640 So if you don't mind, how how's he doing and how has this been for you?

00:40:58.200 Yeah, it's definitely been, you know, by far the most difficult struggle in my life.

00:41:08.000 My husband's an elected congressman in Brazil.

00:41:11.060 This year, as we discussed, was an election.

00:41:13.020 He was at a campaign event.

00:41:14.020 He was running for reelection, felt really severe abdominal pain, went to the ER.

00:41:18.180 They admitted him immediately.

00:41:20.040 He had a very severe infection in his multiple organs in his digestive system and in his abdominal

00:41:28.080 system.

00:41:28.540 And he's been in ICU for ever since.

00:41:32.100 So since August 6th.

00:41:33.100 So that's now we're in there to our sixth month.

00:41:36.380 There were moments when, you know, the doctors called and basically said the chances that he

00:41:41.700 would be able to get through the next 48 hours were close to zero.

00:41:46.760 Um, you know, I'm talking about the person who I've been married with for 17 years.

00:41:50.620 We're raising children together.

00:41:52.140 Um, you know, it's been extraordinarily difficult.

00:41:54.760 Um, but thankfully in the last, I would say month, five weeks, he's finally begun to show

00:42:02.180 some really meaningful improvements.

00:42:04.500 He's now getting stronger each day.

00:42:07.380 Um, he's awake and he's lucid and he's communicative and able to, you know, have visitors every day and,

00:42:13.760 and, and speak with our kids.

00:42:15.680 And that I think our kids visiting is the thing that helps the most.

00:42:19.140 So he's still in ICU.

00:42:20.340 The dangers aren't all gone.

00:42:22.400 Um, but the doctors are now, you know, very optimistic about his prospect for a full recovery.

00:42:28.340 But obviously when the person you love most in the world that you've shared your life

00:42:31.560 with for two decades, um, is in ICU, extremely sick.

00:42:37.240 Um, it's a thing that you can't imagine just the kind of struggle and pain that that produces.

00:42:42.860 But, you know, as I told him the last time I see him, there's that song and that phrase that

00:42:47.220 what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

00:42:48.860 And I feel like that's going to be the case for our family for, for me, for sure.

00:42:53.100 And, and definitely for him as well.

00:42:54.840 So I appreciate your asking.

00:42:56.220 God, of course, please send him David, our best.

00:42:59.260 I, I don't like, how are you doing everything?

00:43:02.320 Glenn, how are you launching a new show?

00:43:04.520 Continuing to report on the news, taking care of your kids.

00:43:07.780 Obviously you've gotten that lion's share, uh, over the past six months going to visit

00:43:13.040 David, like, what, I mean, are you, how are you?

00:43:17.860 I mean, the problem was, you know, for the first, you know, he's 37 years old.

00:43:22.060 So, you know, and it's not like we got a cancer diagnosis a year ago and now he's slowly

00:43:26.960 deteriorating was very sudden.

00:43:28.760 Um, so, you know, it was, it was just, it was, you know, part of it was just, you know,

00:43:33.280 I was in shock for the first month at least.

00:43:36.180 Um, so I didn't work at all for, I think six weeks.

00:43:39.400 I didn't, you know, use the internet.

00:43:41.160 I didn't do anything.

00:43:41.840 And, you know, my, my, I had people advising me on how to get through these sorts of things,

00:43:47.520 mental health professionals and the like, and they, I never thought I would hear anyone

00:43:51.340 tell me I, I needed to elevate the priority of my work.

00:43:56.020 Cause usually people are telling me I need to deprioritize it.

00:43:59.060 But, you know, basically they said, look, you have the responsibility of taking care of

00:44:03.020 your kids and you're not taking care of them in the sense of like making sure

00:44:06.160 they have lunch and sandwiches, but, you know, they're suffering in all sorts of extreme

00:44:12.520 ways, you know, with, with the grave illness of their, their father and, and taking care

00:44:17.760 of that means trying to support them emotionally when sometimes you have trouble, you know,

00:44:22.940 obviously doing it for yourself.

00:44:24.740 And so, you know, the idea was you need to try and normalize your life as much as possible,

00:44:29.500 which means trying to do some work, trying to make sure all parts of you are enlivened,

00:44:34.360 doing exercise, eating, doing the most to take care of yourself because, you know, it's

00:44:38.280 kind of like the airlines thing, you know, when, if the, the, the, the cabin decompresses,

00:44:43.980 make sure that you put your own mask on before you put the mask on your child, because you

00:44:47.940 need to take care of yourself before you can take care of others.

00:44:50.300 So that was what I tried to do and taking things one day at a time, you know, just waking

00:44:54.900 up and saying, okay, he's today, he's alive.

00:44:57.820 Um, it, but it was a lot to get through for sure.

00:45:00.960 You know, yes, you need to take care of them in all the ways you just stated.

00:45:04.440 But another good thing about you starting the new show reminds me of when my kids were

00:45:08.280 very little and I was feeling sad about going to work.

00:45:11.000 I didn't want to leave my babies and my friend and then babysitter Betty said to me,

00:45:16.360 there are lots of ways of taking care of them, you know, and it's, and your new show

00:45:21.280 is another way of keeping the household steady and keeping the paychecks coming.

00:45:24.700 That's important support Glenn by watching that show and going over to rumble and, and

00:45:29.380 reading everything he writes, um, all the best to you both, Glenn, we're rooting for

00:45:32.960 you.

00:45:34.160 Thank you, Megan.

00:45:34.560 As always, Graham, so happy to be back on your show after too long.

00:45:37.140 And, uh, I look forward to talking to you again.

00:45:43.120 Today, we have a stellar culture panel with two former pageant Queens who are now moms fighting

00:45:49.520 for their children and yours, Carrie Prejean Bowler and Britt Mayer are joining us to discuss

00:45:54.120 the latest on a disturbing story coming out of San Diego County where they live and much

00:45:59.000 more.

00:45:59.400 And what I love about you two, Carrie and Britt is you are a testament to sort of the, the,

00:46:04.980 you know, armchair warrior and what a difference you can make like moms across the country who

00:46:11.340 are feeling like, what can I do?

00:46:13.600 I don't have a platform.

00:46:15.540 You can do this.

00:46:16.600 These two are all over the, the nastiness popping up here, there, and everywhere in

00:46:23.120 their town and across the country, trying to shame people like Balenciaga out of exploiting

00:46:28.760 children and you can join their mission too.

00:46:30.860 All right.

00:46:31.060 So that's one of the many reasons I love talking to you.

00:46:33.640 Um, let's, there's a lot to get into.

00:46:35.260 So first of all, the YMCA is in trouble.

00:46:38.940 Uh, and it should be because a young girl, 17 year old girl went through the YMCA and

00:46:46.260 was in the locker room afterward.

00:46:48.720 And unbeknownst to her, she was walking right into trouble because she was at a YMCA in California

00:46:54.780 where the law requires them to let any person use the locker room or bathroom that aligns

00:47:02.220 with their, their chosen gender identity.

00:47:04.880 Okay.

00:47:05.520 So a biological man can easily use the women's locker room if he just says I'm a woman and

00:47:10.320 no questions are allowed to be asked.

00:47:11.840 So it really could, it invites imposters.

00:47:14.140 It absolutely invites imposters who aren't even trans.

00:47:16.820 Um, any event.

00:47:18.000 So this girl goes in there and sees a naked male penis staring at her.

00:47:21.280 And you know what?

00:47:22.220 She's a teenager.

00:47:23.040 She was shocked.

00:47:23.860 She was uncomfortable.

00:47:25.180 And here she is describing the situation later.

00:47:29.400 As I was showering after my workout, I saw a naked male in the women's locker room.

00:47:33.500 I immediately went back into the shower, terrified and hid behind their flimsy excuse for a curtain

00:47:39.700 until he was gone.

00:47:41.220 I could only think of my five-year-old sister who I bring to this gym during the summer to

00:47:46.440 just start, sorry, to enjoy their water slides.

00:47:49.800 This is the YMCA where hundreds of children spend their summer afternoons in childcare camps.

00:47:56.220 This is the YMCA where my little sister took gymnastics lessons.

00:48:03.000 The locker room was supposed to be her safe haven to gossip with her friends and shower and change.

00:48:08.920 When I asked the YMCA management what their policy was regarding transgenders, they confirmed

00:48:15.400 that the man that I saw was indeed allowed to shower wherever he pleased.

00:48:19.840 As long as you are not a red flag on Megan's Law, the California Sex Offender Registry,

00:48:25.660 a grown male can shower alongside a teenage girl at your YMCA location here in Santee.

00:48:30.500 I was made to feel as though I had done something wrong when I talked to people at the YMCA.

00:48:37.020 Somehow, the indecent exposure of a male to a female minor was an inconvenience to them.

00:48:42.220 The fact that we are now tailoring our privacy policies and bathroom laws around transgenders,

00:48:47.020 ignoring the blatant threat to safety that this poses, is obscene.

00:48:51.180 The safety of children, girls, is on the chopping block.

00:48:54.460 So I implore you all to take action.

00:48:57.820 With great privilege comes great responsibility.

00:49:02.000 How about Rebecca Phillips, age 17, standing up for herself and other kids?

00:49:07.280 Carrie, what did you make of this whole controversy?

00:49:09.160 Because the YMCA doesn't seem particularly concerned.

00:49:12.500 Oh my gosh.

00:49:14.080 Britt and I had the privilege to talk to Rebecca.

00:49:17.120 And she is a hero, first of all.

00:49:20.300 17 years old, she is a hero for telling her story.

00:49:24.460 And what we're seeing is policies that pander to a gender ideology cult.

00:49:29.820 Yes, that's what it is.

00:49:30.880 It's a cult.

00:49:31.740 And if you don't obey and take on their language, you are now the problem.

00:49:38.200 And so, Rebecca, bravo to you.

00:49:40.600 Bravo to your parents for raising such a strong woman to stand up.

00:49:43.560 And this is a tipping point, Megan.

00:49:45.640 You know, this is where the rubber hits the road.

00:49:47.400 And we have to decide what part of history do we want to be on?

00:49:50.320 Do we want to pander what I call the trans privilege?

00:49:53.220 That's what it is.

00:49:54.180 Because if it was just any other man in the women's locker room exposing his penis to a minor, he'd be arrested.

00:49:59.920 But because he's a trans, he has privilege.

00:50:02.460 Nothing happens to him.

00:50:03.480 He escapes and walks away free.

00:50:05.660 It's disgusting.

00:50:06.660 It's disturbing.

00:50:07.200 And it has to stop.

00:50:08.980 This incident, Britt, really brings the whole thing home.

00:50:12.260 Because even if you talk about bathroom use, okay, if a trans person goes into, let's say, a woman's bathroom, we don't see each other.

00:50:20.520 It's not like being in a guy's room where they're all at the urinal.

00:50:22.960 In the women's bathroom, we don't look at each other.

00:50:25.220 Get your own stall.

00:50:26.300 You might not ever know.

00:50:27.960 But in a woman's locker room, it's a different story.

00:50:30.960 And this really underscores the dangers.

00:50:34.960 Yes, there are potential dangers of somebody misusing this law to take advantage of young girls.

00:50:39.980 And also just the trauma that this can induce for a woman who is expecting to see only other women in there.

00:50:46.200 And the YMCA, their initial reaction was to say to her dad, who called up complaining, she was never in any danger.

00:50:52.940 She was safe.

00:50:53.620 Oh, who are you, right, Britt, to tell me that and then to say to her that trans woman was perfectly entitled to be there and basically too bad if you didn't like it because this is policy.

00:51:07.340 Yeah, isn't it so disturbing?

00:51:09.900 I mean, this is where the rubber hits the road.

00:51:13.040 This is where policies begin to truly affect people.

00:51:16.680 And we've been riding on this woke train for a long time where we're saying that we'll go ahead and we'll be virtuous and we'll say that men can be women and, you know, no one gets hurt, you know, because we're just just words.

00:51:31.420 But now we're realizing that words are the guardrails of society.

00:51:35.500 And when you start shifting words and tearing down meanings, you recreate society.

00:51:41.100 And it is what we've been saying for a long time.

00:51:44.220 This is a war on women, on girls, and really on societal order.

00:51:50.160 And, you know, what I wanted to point out with everything you were just saying, Megan, is that in the Y's promise to serve all, all, right, all, creating an inclusive YMCA, in their general guidelines,

00:52:04.200 it says, regarding restroom and locker room accessibility, legal gender, physical genitalia, or gender expression do not dictate the use of gender segregated spaces.

00:52:16.080 Trans individuals may select either locker room or restroom.

00:52:20.280 Requiring someone to use a bathroom or other gendered area they do not identify with can be detrimental for a trans individual's well-being and safety and puts the YMC at risk for discrimination complaints.

00:52:33.980 I read this, and I was so floored because it's so blatant.

00:52:37.620 It's propping up trans individuals as the ones whose well-being could be at risk.

00:52:43.580 But what about the little Rebeccas and the little five-year-olds who are in ballet and gymnastics?

00:52:49.320 Doesn't their well-being matter?

00:52:51.120 I mean, if truly we're all about creating an inclusive YMCA for all, then they have to be taken into account as well.

00:52:58.920 And it seems that that's just been thrown out the window.

00:53:00.760 Well, you know what we're not even getting to yet is, what about the little girls who don't have their clothes on?

00:53:07.300 I mean, that's what happens.

00:53:08.920 You go to the YMCA, you take a swim.

00:53:10.780 You go back to the girls' room.

00:53:11.840 It's embarrassing enough to take all your clothes off when you're a young girl in front of your little girlfriends.

00:53:17.100 Never mind if a biological man with his penis hanging out is walking by you.

00:53:22.640 You would be humiliated.

00:53:25.060 You would be embarrassed.

00:53:26.080 You might be genuinely afraid and not understand what's happening.

00:53:30.100 I mean, you're right.

00:53:31.440 They're talking about safety of people who are trans.

00:53:34.020 But what about the position they're putting these young ones in who don't even have the language yet to express how uncomfortable this makes them?

00:53:42.160 That's exactly right.

00:53:44.720 And that's why it's time now for us to stare it in the face and decide what, as a society, our default position is going to be.

00:53:53.680 You know, is our default position going to be that we're just going to do away with all societal order that we have established for years and years and years in this country where women are protected?

00:54:03.520 Women have, we've gained rights that we strived for for hundreds of years.

00:54:09.600 Are we going to just toss that all by the wayside now and say, well, hey, we're going to favor this new ideological cult coming in and you're just going to have to put up with a penis being out in the locker room while your five-year-old is showering.

00:54:22.540 I mean, really, we're at the tipping point where we are going to have to decide and answer as a nation to this situation that we're we now find ourselves in.

00:54:31.320 It's been brewing for a long time and we're at the point now where we're going to have to give an answer on what is our default position?

00:54:37.120 What?

00:54:37.400 Well, you know what?

00:54:38.600 This is what you guys are doing.

00:54:39.660 OK, this is what you two are doing.

00:54:40.880 You are recognizing that we have to be the squeaky wheel, even if it makes us uncomfortable.

00:54:47.700 Even if people call us names, we have to be the squeaky wheel because they said it in that statement you just read, Brit.

00:54:54.500 Otherwise, we could be sued.

00:54:55.700 And they're right.

00:54:56.680 They can be sued.

00:54:57.460 Thanks to California law.

00:54:58.440 They can be sued if they tell the trans woman, which means biological man who says that he's a woman, that she can't use the facility.

00:55:05.260 They can be sued.

00:55:06.760 So what they're calculating is risk, Carrie, that they're going to get sued by the trans person.

00:55:11.620 But the 17 year old girl, the five year old girl, their parents aren't going to bother us like they're going to go.

00:55:15.720 They don't have the special protection.

00:55:17.680 So let's make them pay.

00:55:20.980 Yeah, you're exactly right.

00:55:22.560 Why are they not worried about Rebecca suing, which I hope that she's speaking to several lawyers about this.

00:55:28.360 And I hope she does sue, actually.

00:55:30.500 So, Rebecca, if you're listening, make sure you investigate this and and hire a lawyer and really call Alliance Defending Freedom.

00:55:37.700 Yes, exactly.

00:55:38.920 But the brain, I, you know, we were talking about this yesterday and this is how a war starts.

00:55:43.460 You know, you slap down their rainbow flag.

00:55:46.200 You change language.

00:55:47.880 You, you know, redefine words.

00:55:50.300 You demand all obey.

00:55:52.280 Right.

00:55:52.680 Everybody better obey.

00:55:53.940 You brainwash the masses, steal our identity as women and convince down is up and up is down.

00:56:01.140 And we're not going to we're not going to adapt this.

00:56:04.820 We're you know, we're not going to say, yes, men are women and women are men.

00:56:08.640 No, absolutely not.

00:56:10.220 We're going to take back what's ours and hopefully inspire other moms and dads, especially to rise up, fight back.

00:56:18.520 This is what we need to do.

00:56:20.680 Rise up.

00:56:21.520 Take a stand.

00:56:22.220 Decide what side you want to be on and fight the battle because this is war.

00:56:26.900 We are in a war and we are seeing right now the effects of policies like, you know, San Diego, out of all places, redefining what a woman is and where we're women.

00:56:40.680 Well, that's the thing.

00:56:41.220 So it's like, yes.

00:56:42.260 OK, what if we want to be respectful of them, of a trans woman who's, you know, a biological man who says that he's part of our team?

00:56:49.540 Right.

00:56:50.360 What if we want to be respectful of said person?

00:56:52.580 Does it go two ways?

00:56:53.480 Can we have any spaces that are reserved for actual women?

00:56:59.700 No, we can't.

00:57:00.560 I mean, the California lawmakers have said no.

00:57:03.240 And your mere request is bigotry.

00:57:06.120 You're a bigot if you don't want your five year old daughter seeing the penis in the girl's locker room.

00:57:12.020 It's insane.

00:57:13.280 And even the YMCA, the YWC, whatever their response here has been to say.

00:57:18.540 First, they said, OK, as part of our commitment to make sure everyone feels comfortable, we are reviewing our locker room floor plans across all facilities within our association.

00:57:29.920 Guess you tell me who's going to be bounced over to the small little space without the mirror or the locker.

00:57:38.240 It's going to be the vast majority.

00:57:39.740 It's going to be all the women because they know the trans person will sue them if they get to go into the women's locker room.

00:57:45.740 But it's a tiny little area.

00:57:47.780 Yeah.

00:57:48.240 And you know what's so interesting about I'm so glad you brought up that statement.

00:57:51.620 Carrie and I were talking about that.

00:57:53.220 We've been in close contact with Rebecca.

00:57:55.280 We both talked to her yesterday.

00:57:56.700 She saw the statement as well, and she had such a great point that I think she's she's brilliant.

00:58:04.600 She's a brilliant little girl and she's going to go places.

00:58:07.460 But she told me that when she looked at their statement, you know, which said, oh, we're going to review our floor plans.

00:58:14.940 And, you know, we apologize for the position that Rebecca was put in.

00:58:18.960 It was just this lip service, you know, very monochromatic response from the YMCA, and it took international attention for it for their hand to be shown on this.

00:58:30.560 But Rebecca said, and I thought it was such a good point.

00:58:32.820 She said, you know, it's interesting, like the YMCA just keeps pointing to the legal aspect.

00:58:38.880 Right. This is California law.

00:58:40.880 This is the whole county of San Diego redefining what a woman is.

00:58:45.540 But interestingly, this really when you look at what's at stake, this isn't about what's legal or not.

00:58:52.700 It's about what is right and what is wrong.

00:58:55.500 And that's what we need to be focusing on it.

00:58:57.600 Laws change.

00:58:58.680 We've seen the things that have been upheld for years and years and years be torn down because they were wrong.

00:59:03.760 And that's what this is about.

00:59:05.080 So when the YMCA released their statement, I was so let down by it.

00:59:10.480 I maybe I held out for a little teeny bit of hope that they were going to rise above, you know,

00:59:14.520 and they'd release something that would make them the hero in in the situation.

00:59:19.020 And they could say, hey, we're going to take it to California because this is wrong.

00:59:23.720 And they've put us in a situation where our members are going to be hurt.

00:59:27.160 And this is insane policies dictating how we as a nonprofit organization function.

00:59:32.900 And it's wrong.

00:59:34.100 And they didn't.

00:59:34.780 They said, no, we're going to be on board plans.

00:59:36.800 Yeah, they're on board and they've reminded their employees that they're not allowed to, quote, teach acceptance or hate that they are supposed to teach acceptance and not hate.

00:59:47.060 This is not this is not hate.

00:59:48.920 What this young girl is complaining about is not hate.

00:59:51.860 It's actually comports with it, with the entirety of human history, except for the last two minutes in some very far left circles.

01:00:00.840 Right. And what a thing it would have been if the YMCA would have stood up and said, we understand what the law is.

01:00:07.480 We will not comply.

01:00:09.580 We will not. Absolutely.

01:00:10.760 We will protect the young girls.

01:00:12.340 That's it. That's that is exactly it, Megan.

01:00:16.060 And that's what it was that aha moment for me where I'm like, man, they missed the mark.

01:00:21.280 And YMCA, you know, they are a national organization, so well fortified.

01:00:25.900 They could have taken this opportunity in the days it took them to release this statement.

01:00:30.360 And they could have actually played the hero in this.

01:00:33.880 And they didn't.

01:00:34.760 They they bent to the mob.

01:00:36.220 So when we talk about middle ground, it's like we just keep caving and caving and caving and organizations keep caving and caving to these these policies that are built by an ideological cult that is at war with society.

01:00:48.980 And no one's no one's standing up and fighting.

01:00:52.120 You know, YMCA had an amazing opportunity to be that hero and they missed it.

01:00:57.280 Yes. Or at least Kerry Toe said.

01:01:00.460 We have to comply with California law, but we want to make clear we object to this.

01:01:05.140 This is wrong what they've done, like whatever.

01:01:07.320 There's a way of doing this to comporting with the law without completely selling your soul and calling people like Rebecca implicitly bigots, hateful.

01:01:15.900 There's nothing hateful about this young girl or her five year old little sister.

01:01:19.860 But, you know, this reminds me of the thing that that happened in American Girl doll, which I did not realize is now owned by Mattel.

01:01:26.220 I mean, we're all moms.

01:01:28.160 We all own toys by Mattel.

01:01:30.540 That's like where you go for toys.

01:01:32.820 And they're the ones who are obviously OK with this trans book being pushed on girls at American Girl doll.

01:01:41.180 First of all, what like who told you you were in the business of educating my kid on gender ideology at American Girl doll?

01:01:47.840 All I want is a little doll that looks like my kid.

01:01:50.820 That's why we go there.

01:01:51.860 Shut up about everything beyond that.

01:01:53.540 But they're pushing this book that's educating the little girls on how like the doctor, your parents tell you what your gender is, but their parents aren't always right.

01:02:01.880 You get to decide.

01:02:02.980 And if you decide before puberty, you can take these pills that were this is in American Girl doll stores.

01:02:09.000 They won't pull it.

01:02:10.660 The store stands behind it.

01:02:12.360 That's one of the most popular brands in America.

01:02:15.080 What's crazy, Megan, is that I say this all the time.

01:02:20.680 I'm like, why are these businesses catering to the less than one percent?

01:02:25.320 Really?

01:02:26.800 It's like they're committing, you know, suicide, basically, like business suicide.

01:02:32.520 Why would they pander and cater to the less than one percent when everyday Americans?

01:02:38.000 I mean, I used to take my daughter, the American Girl store, you know, since she was a little girl.

01:02:43.060 And that was like a tradition in our family where we would go and we would spend the day and she would pick out her favorite doll.

01:02:48.240 Now we can't even do that.

01:02:49.980 We can't even take our daughter and have her buy an American Girl doll without without this ideology being shoved down our throats.

01:02:57.580 And this is where the American people have to vote with their dollars.

01:03:01.900 We're seeing woke businesses every single day collapsing.

01:03:06.300 Victoria's Secret, Disney, now American Girl doll, because they're adapting to this gender ideology cult,

01:03:12.540 which is what we need to start calling it.

01:03:14.620 It's exactly what it is.

01:03:15.960 I just want to buy a doll.

01:03:17.800 Yeah, I just want to buy a doll.

01:03:19.460 I mean, we stop this madness.

01:03:22.500 It's absolutely insane and it's hurting our girls.

01:03:25.340 Right.

01:03:25.640 And it's such a small percent of the population for them to be saying and confusing young kids with things like, quote,

01:03:31.300 quote, if you haven't gone through puberty yet, the doctor might offer medicine to delay your body's changes, giving you more time to think about your gender idea ideology.

01:03:41.000 This is from a book called Body Image, how to love yourself, live life to the fullest and celebrate all kinds of bodies that American Girl is offering as a, quote,

01:03:48.560 smart girl's guide to socially and medically transitioning from one gender to another.

01:03:54.940 It's I mean, it's been a long time since I've been in that store, but I won't go back in.

01:03:58.720 And if I had a younger girl, I wouldn't be taking her anywhere near the bookshelf.

01:04:03.100 No, it it doesn't surprise me either that Mattel is who bought out American Girl.

01:04:10.160 I mean, I remember American Girl doll when I was little.

01:04:12.240 And I think there was like a Samantha that looked like me and it was all historical and I loved it.

01:04:19.380 And then now to see how far they've come is just it shows you how rapid this is all happening to its maddening pace.

01:04:26.320 You know, it's like you can't even keep your finger on the pulse because it's just it's everywhere and it's happening so fast.

01:04:32.180 But it doesn't surprise me that it's Mattel.

01:04:33.980 I remember when you said Mattel, it triggered a memory that I remember being at my local Target with my daughter.

01:04:39.480 And I had to cover her eyes when we went through the doll section because there was a Mattel doll that you could change its gender.

01:04:48.280 And it was the first neutral doll that was being launched and you could make it a boy or you can make it a girl.

01:04:54.480 And it was on an end cap for all to see.

01:04:57.180 And so it doesn't surprise me.

01:04:58.300 It's a very diabolical evil that is being pushed into our society and the targets.

01:05:03.420 It's our kids.

01:05:04.180 The book that you're talking about, I looked at it and it's marketed to ages three to 12.

01:05:10.360 And Carrie and I were talking about it.

01:05:11.620 We're like, kids don't even know their ABCs at age three.

01:05:15.440 And they're supposed to be told that if you don't feel like the little boy you are, there are drugs for that.

01:05:21.320 Oh, my God.

01:05:22.140 There's no safe space now for girls.

01:05:24.500 That's the thing, Carrie.

01:05:25.260 So the little girls can't.

01:05:27.680 This is how we first had you girls on, you gals.

01:05:30.000 We they can't go to school without having drag queen story hours shoved down there.

01:05:34.900 Right.

01:05:35.640 That's one.

01:05:36.840 They can't go to American Girl doll without getting this voisted upon them.

01:05:40.780 They can't go to the YMCA for a little recreation without walking by a naked male penis while they're just trying to change out of their bathing suit.

01:05:47.760 Like, that's why Ron DeSantis did what he did down in Florida, where he said, at least in the classroom, I'm keeping this out of the curriculum for the very young children.

01:05:59.120 And the left is still freaking out about that order to this day, saying it's he's some sort of hideous bigot.

01:06:08.020 Yeah, the party that was once champions for women.

01:06:10.920 But remember that believe all women and, you know, women are equality.

01:06:14.900 The future is female.

01:06:16.000 Right.

01:06:16.280 No, actually, that's not what it is.

01:06:19.800 The party of the left that was supposed to be champions for women are now complicit in this blatant assault on women and attack on women and young girls.

01:06:31.000 And where are the feminists, Megan?

01:06:32.340 Completely silent.

01:06:33.620 It's now going to be up to the conservative mom, the mama bears, to rise up and fight back because the feminists created this mess.

01:06:41.980 And now we're seeing the results of it.

01:06:43.960 I have to tell you, speaking of Ron DeSantis, I talked to my mom last night, who's just amazing.

01:06:48.880 And she said she had people over and she goes, they really love that Ron DeSanto.

01:06:56.700 Oh, I love your mom.

01:06:58.440 Nobody knows how to say his last name.

01:07:00.020 She's amazing.

01:07:02.220 I'll take it.

01:07:03.460 She calls him Dr. Fawcett.

01:07:05.520 She doesn't understand a Fauci.

01:07:08.780 It's not happening in crazy California.

01:07:10.900 Like we're seeing the drag shows in Texas, the, you know, drag shows in Florida.

01:07:14.880 Like these are happening all over, all over the nation, not just here in California.

01:07:18.940 So, you know, yeah, of us in California, but it's like, no, this is happening everywhere.

01:07:25.980 You guys.

01:07:27.000 Yeah.

01:07:27.220 You know, going back real quick to the, the YMCA issue just for a second, because it ties

01:07:32.260 into what Carrie just said.

01:07:33.540 I had a friend text me this morning and she worked for the YMCA for 13 years.

01:07:38.980 And, um, her neighbor out in Tennessee is the CEO of the Tennessee YMCA.

01:07:45.200 And so she shared the story with him about Rebecca.

01:07:48.100 And she said that, um, he looked into those, the guidelines, right?

01:07:53.000 That out here it's crazy California, right?

01:07:55.500 Surely not in your neighborhood, not at your YMCA.

01:07:58.580 And he found that the Y's open locker room policy is in effect in 26 states.

01:08:06.200 This is insane.

01:08:07.920 So, you know, as a mom, I'm advocating for all moms across the nation to call your local

01:08:14.520 YMCA and ask them what their guideline policies are for locker rooms and for your five-year-old

01:08:20.740 daughter, who's finishing a swim and she's going to go change.

01:08:23.300 Is there going to be a man in there with his penis out saying that he's a woman you need

01:08:28.260 to call your YMCA and find out because it's not just crazy California.

01:08:32.320 And we have said for a long time that what happens in California spreads.

01:08:36.720 It's like a cancer.

01:08:38.920 It's true.

01:08:39.260 It's like their, their, uh, their green car policy that automatically gets adopted in

01:08:44.300 several states.

01:08:44.820 And we happen to treat them as a leader for some reason in these cultural issues as well.

01:08:48.460 We'll get to their crazy ass push for reparations right now.

01:08:52.280 It is insane.

01:08:54.380 What they're doing in San Francisco in particular, they want to give, is it $5 million to every

01:09:00.920 black person in San Francisco who can either prove that they're the descendant of a slave

01:09:06.580 or that they have an ancestor who lived before 1900?

01:09:11.480 I mean, it's, or if they went to prison for the war on drugs, if somebody got, I mean, it's

01:09:16.380 crazy.

01:09:16.900 Uh, and California was a free state.

01:09:20.200 California didn't have slavery.

01:09:21.660 What are we doing?

01:09:22.400 Yeah.

01:09:22.740 What are we doing?

01:09:23.800 Wait, can I identify as a black person now?

01:09:26.420 No.

01:09:26.780 Oh, that's the one thing you can't do.

01:09:28.240 You cannot just ask Rachel Dolezal.

01:09:29.900 She, no, that's not allowed.

01:09:32.520 Uh, but yeah, you, if you're a man, feel free to cross over to our lane.

01:09:36.120 Um, before we leave the transgender thing, I've got to ask you as former pageant Queens,

01:09:39.980 um, the Miss Universe pageant is now, well, Miss USA, right?

01:09:45.140 Is it, does this, does the trans person own Miss Universe or does she own Miss USA?

01:09:50.100 Oh, the entire enchilada.

01:09:52.880 He is Mr. Universe now.

01:09:54.540 Okay, so it is a biological man who says that he is a trans woman and, um, this person is

01:10:04.620 celebrating.

01:10:05.380 It's very hard to pronounce the last name.

01:10:07.700 Okay.

01:10:07.940 I'm trying to, trying to get it.

01:10:09.560 Is it, do you know how to say it?

01:10:11.480 No, it doesn't even matter.

01:10:13.040 I don't know.

01:10:13.740 He's trying to say, he says he's very happy that he's, she, she is now owning the Miss

01:10:19.660 Universe pageant saying this competition will finally be run by women for all women.

01:10:26.380 Take a listen to this.

01:10:28.820 It has been 70 years that Miss Universe organization ran by men, but now time is up.

01:10:38.180 It's the moment, really, for women to take the leap.

01:10:47.860 Welcome to the new era of the global women's empowerment platform.

01:10:55.780 Welcome to the Miss Universe organization.

01:10:58.020 From now on, it's going to be ran by women, owned by trans women, for all women.

01:11:11.420 So is this an improvement off of men owning the pageant, which is how it was in the past?

01:11:19.380 Absolutely not.

01:11:20.460 Um, back when Brittany and I competed in the Miss USA organization, Miss Universe organization,

01:11:25.640 we had to sign a contract, believe it or not.

01:11:28.680 This was just 10 years ago saying that we were naturally born female.

01:11:32.440 Wow.

01:11:32.960 Look now.

01:11:34.420 That was our, it was part of the contract.

01:11:36.760 You could not compete if you didn't sign that.

01:11:39.220 And I'd like to call this what it is.

01:11:41.620 This is woman face.

01:11:43.260 Okay.

01:11:43.760 Just like black face is wrong.

01:11:45.560 This is woman face.

01:11:46.880 He is not a woman.

01:11:47.920 He never will be a woman.

01:11:49.300 And we need to start fighting back and saying, absolutely not.

01:11:53.540 What an embarrassment.

01:11:55.000 What a gender, stop gender appropriating us.

01:11:58.120 Just like cultural appropriation is wrong.

01:11:59.880 This is gender appropriation.

01:12:01.460 And we need to start calling it like it is just because he slams his pecs together and

01:12:06.160 puts on lipstick and fake hair and, you know, acts like he's a woman does not make him a woman.

01:12:11.740 And the fact that these women are all celebrating this, it's such, it's, it's such a mockery of

01:12:16.200 women and we have to stop.

01:12:17.920 I feel like there's a difference between saying you're a trans woman and saying you're a woman.

01:12:22.600 I object to somebody like that saying I'm a woman because you're not.

01:12:26.560 And there's a special thing that is a woman that's really precious to most of us.

01:12:30.500 And you're not it.

01:12:31.480 Sorry.

01:12:32.520 It's only so close you can get to the club.

01:12:34.300 It's only so close.

01:12:35.200 But saying I'm a trans woman, I like I appreciate the distinction because so many who are trans

01:12:41.280 just want to say like those that that couple that we talked about who was on the the Ulta

01:12:46.720 beauty thing with their beards, their actual physical beards talking about how what it's

01:12:51.880 like to be a girl and get a period, which you've never done, guys.

01:12:56.380 You've never done.

01:12:57.140 Like I see this person in a different lane.

01:12:59.360 Am I wrong, Britt?

01:13:01.160 No, you are so right.

01:13:02.860 And, you know, what struck me when I saw him up there in the high heels and dress and it

01:13:09.220 was very dystopian to very dystopian.

01:13:11.560 It was what's Hunger Games.

01:13:13.380 Right.

01:13:13.540 It reminded me of Hunger Games vibes where it's like, welcome to the new era and with

01:13:19.200 a deep voice.

01:13:20.100 Welcome to the future of womanhood.

01:13:22.740 It was just it was such a we and then I'm like, is it we men or are you talking women?

01:13:28.600 It was so dystopian.

01:13:29.640 But I kept thinking women aren't costumes.

01:13:32.700 Women aren't costumes.

01:13:34.080 And that's the thing that's just been in the back of my mind through all of this is we're

01:13:39.640 not costumes, but they're putting on costumes and then, you know, it's been the feminists

01:13:44.560 have for so long been at war with the patriarchy.

01:13:46.800 Right.

01:13:47.420 But all the patriarchy had to do was put on high heels and push their pecs together and

01:13:53.400 call themselves a woman and we'd all applaud.

01:13:55.860 It's such like it just came full circle.

01:13:58.180 You know, we swung the pendulum and the feminists ran out of the room and now it's come right

01:14:03.080 back around and we're clapping to the patriarchy when they're up on stage and welcome to the

01:14:07.840 future.

01:14:08.580 They've got the threat.

01:14:09.420 I like your word dystopian.

01:14:10.800 I feel it, too.

01:14:11.440 And I watched that clip.

01:14:12.240 But they've got the threat over over women, which is if you complain, we'll sue you, we'll

01:14:19.900 label you a bigot and we will shame you right out of the public square.

01:14:24.340 You will be silenced.

01:14:25.720 And of course, the truth is what's happening there is that a biological man is shaming a

01:14:31.620 biological woman out of speaking up for her sex.

01:14:36.400 She's not allowed to have that opinion.

01:14:38.100 The ones that you just espoused.

01:14:40.160 Why again?

01:14:41.160 Wait, why?

01:14:41.580 Because of tolerance?

01:14:43.580 Mm hmm.

01:14:43.920 And this is this is when you think about it in terms of like war games.

01:14:48.340 And I'm going to go there.

01:14:49.640 What we're seeing right now, it's war.

01:14:53.960 You have someone going up on an international stage and planting a flag and declaring welcome

01:15:01.000 to the new era that this is the future of women.

01:15:04.720 And like you said, if you don't applaud, then you're going to be shamed because you're no

01:15:09.280 longer a part of the culture.

01:15:10.620 Your identity has been taken and it's been remade.

01:15:12.840 This is war games.

01:15:14.120 They what what conquering tribes would do is they would come in, they would plant their

01:15:19.460 flag and they would say, you will now submit to our new order, the new laws of the land

01:15:24.920 and the new language.

01:15:25.760 And we will get rid of your cultural identity.

01:15:29.320 So what is happening right now to women is we're seeing war games play out in real time

01:15:35.560 and we're applauding and we're too afraid to say absolutely not, because we will be shamed

01:15:42.040 and we'll be called a bigot because it's war.

01:15:45.360 Why don't they why don't they create like we do in sports?

01:15:48.400 Well, like we should in sports, their own category.

01:15:51.380 You know, why can't there be a Miss Transgender Miss USA if this is what they want to do?

01:15:55.540 But this pageant that again, it's a very long, difficult last name, but I think this person

01:16:00.160 goes under the name of Anne Jack Rajuotip, the new owner of the Miss Universe pageant.

01:16:05.640 Why can't that pageant create a different lane?

01:16:08.360 Because we just last year, 2021 year plus Miss Nevada offered us the very first openly

01:16:15.060 transgender Miss USA, Cataluna Enriquez.

01:16:18.480 And so that's already here's a picture of Cataluna already.

01:16:22.840 That seems wrong to me.

01:16:24.000 I mean, honestly, it does like you girls.

01:16:26.760 I don't have to explain to you that men have certain advantages, actually, in competing in

01:16:31.880 it in this kind of competition that could really give them an arm, a leg up like they would

01:16:37.600 always have the perfect breasts like they're right.

01:16:39.540 They're right.

01:16:39.740 There's not going to be like a sagging issue that goes on with normal women's breasts like

01:16:43.940 their butts would probably be a lot firmer with less cellulite.

01:16:48.300 Right.

01:16:48.540 Then we have because we're women like, no, they were not going to have the natural curves

01:16:53.320 that we have and all.

01:16:53.880 But I'm just saying there are some elements to it that, as we see in the sports lane, feel

01:16:58.920 unfair.

01:16:59.400 And yet this not surprisingly, and Jack Rajuotip is allowing that to to happen.

01:17:07.680 What's so upsetting about this is I just looked up he did an interview with The Wall Street

01:17:12.840 Journal before the pageant, and he was bragging about how no men, no men are allowed on stage

01:17:18.140 now.

01:17:19.140 And I'm like, you are so out of touch.

01:17:22.780 Like you think you really believe in your mind, you are mentally ill, that you believe

01:17:28.080 that you're a woman.

01:17:29.360 And yet the women on stage are applauding him.

01:17:33.400 Oh, you're just such a good representation of us.

01:17:36.340 No, that that's what blows my mind.

01:17:39.060 You know, the left used to be champions of all women, believe all women.

01:17:42.760 Now we have a man dressed up playing pretend because that's what it is.

01:17:45.820 It's make believe.

01:17:47.620 So we need to start calling it like it is.

01:17:49.660 Well, and then, you know, and then you've got to compete against a biological man who

01:17:53.780 says they're a woman on the stage.

01:17:56.460 I will say this.

01:17:57.740 This is kind of promising.

01:17:59.880 There was a trans contestant suing.

01:18:02.280 It's so confusing.

01:18:05.020 All right.

01:18:06.240 Suing.

01:18:07.040 I want to get it right.

01:18:08.500 Miss United States of America, which is a different pageant.

01:18:12.380 That's why you've never heard of it.

01:18:13.600 But there's a different one, not Miss USA, but Miss United States of America, LLC, suing

01:18:18.300 that pageant because that pageant said you have to be a natural born female, just like

01:18:22.560 you said.

01:18:23.380 And the far left Ninth Circuit, I think this was pretty sure I'm looking at my notes, said

01:18:30.640 throughout the case saying, nope, you cannot you cannot sue that you cannot sue over that

01:18:36.880 and that the eligibility requirement is protected under the First Amendment's protection against

01:18:41.540 compelled speech.

01:18:43.280 It was a two to one decision.

01:18:45.360 Yeah, it's got to be a Ninth Circuit because it's out of Oregon.

01:18:47.700 In any event, that's great news, right?

01:18:49.640 That's great news.

01:18:50.320 That is good news.

01:18:51.220 The courts are now saying that if you want to enforce the gender rules on something like

01:18:55.120 this, you can.

01:18:58.420 But it's tough when your state like California has a law on the book saying you can't.

01:19:03.980 So anyway, all this is still playing out in the courts.

01:19:06.280 We'll pick it up there right after the break because there's much more to go over with Carrie

01:19:09.760 and Britt.

01:19:10.920 Don't go away.

01:19:11.360 So, gals, I don't know if you've seen this controversy involving this LSU gymnastics star,

01:19:20.060 but I I'm interested in your take on this.

01:19:22.620 Her name is Libby Dunn.

01:19:24.420 She's 20 years old.

01:19:25.960 She's a superstar gymnast.

01:19:28.320 And the reason she's a superstar is, yes, because she's a very talented gymnast, according

01:19:32.220 to what I read at the college level, but she's also incredibly beautiful and very adept at

01:19:39.460 using social media to promote her brand.

01:19:42.380 She's able to do that and make money off of that because a year plus ago, the NCAA changed

01:19:48.560 the rules to allow college athletes to make money off of their name, image and likeness

01:19:53.560 so they can monetize their social media and they can partner with advertisers.

01:19:57.780 And I have to say, initially, I thought, well, this is very good.

01:20:01.460 This is especially good for young women because they don't have a lot of professional sports

01:20:06.820 activities, not nearly as many as men do when they finish their college years so they can

01:20:11.700 make some bank while they're, you know, stars at the college level and then go on and do

01:20:16.140 what they want to do.

01:20:16.820 I don't know.

01:20:19.100 I'm starting to question whether I was right in my initial opinion, because what's happening

01:20:25.240 here and I get that she's savvy and she's beautiful and I wouldn't take any of her talents

01:20:29.540 away from her.

01:20:30.480 But something about this story is making me feel uncomfortable because she's posting on

01:20:35.020 Instagram and all the others nonstop these very sexy photos.

01:20:39.700 And now she's got throngs of young men showing up at all of the gymnastic meets.

01:20:45.420 And it's to the point now where it's a huge distraction, like they're behaving badly.

01:20:49.340 And it's not really her fault.

01:20:50.800 Exactly.

01:20:51.100 She said, please behave respectfully.

01:20:53.640 Other girls are trying to compete.

01:20:55.500 She at some of these is trying to compete.

01:20:57.640 But they're young men and they're doing bad things and they're behaving badly.

01:21:01.660 And it's become this huge distraction for gymnastics, her teammates, her opposing teammates.

01:21:07.680 And I've got to be honest, I feel like, well, what about the girls who aren't this beautiful,

01:21:11.960 who just wanted to do gymnastics and wanted the sport to be about the sport and not how

01:21:17.620 pretty you can make yourself on social media and get, you know what I mean?

01:21:20.360 I'm genuinely wrestling with it.

01:21:21.820 I'm rooting for her, but I'm also feeling a little, but I'm dying to get your takes on

01:21:25.720 it.

01:21:25.880 What do you think, Carrie?

01:21:27.460 Yeah.

01:21:27.880 I mean, my first reaction is where are her handlers?

01:21:30.880 I mean, this is, it's so sad.

01:21:33.140 And Britain, I talk about it all the time.

01:21:34.440 It's like our young girls really, truly, we are at war.

01:21:37.800 I mean, our kids, there's a war on women and children, especially young girls.

01:21:42.300 They have no role models to look up to.

01:21:44.140 I mean, we talked about this just a few weeks ago with you, Megan, you know, Kim Kardashian

01:21:47.600 is who they want to emulate and it's who they look up to.

01:21:51.900 So why are we, why are we surprised when we see young women, you know, doing this and,

01:21:56.700 and putting their breasts out there and their butts out there on the internet, just for

01:22:01.100 the likes for some random dude in Kansas to, to tell them they're pretty.

01:22:05.560 I mean, what message are we sending to our young girls?

01:22:08.380 And so we need to start calling it like it is.

01:22:11.680 And this girl should not be doing this.

01:22:14.260 And I, I honestly, I mean, I was like you at first, I was like, Oh, you know, good for

01:22:18.320 her.

01:22:18.580 Now the colleges aren't making all the money.

01:22:20.300 Now it's the young, you know, the young people making the money, but she's, she's really

01:22:24.520 putting herself out there.

01:22:25.640 And I think that she's, you know, there's a potential case where she could get hurt.

01:22:29.220 You know, you could have a stalker, you could, you know, get assaulted.

01:22:32.800 And I just feel like this is wrong.

01:22:35.120 And we really need to teach our young girls to protect themselves.

01:22:38.280 And what you put on the internet never goes away.

01:22:41.500 What do you mean?

01:22:42.320 So how do you square that carry with, you know, having been in pageants and having to

01:22:46.520 do the bathing?

01:22:47.060 Like, how is this different in your mind from that?

01:22:49.740 Well, I mean, yeah.

01:22:50.720 Parading yourself on stage, you know, showing that you work out and that you're healthy.

01:22:54.980 I think we've lost touch with, you know, presenting yourself in a healthy way.

01:22:58.660 Yes, I love showing, you know, beauty and expressing myself.

01:23:03.340 But when you take it this far to where you're, you're just showing yourself to the world and

01:23:09.800 posing in a provocative way, that's totally different than showcasing your beauty on stage

01:23:14.860 at a pageant.

01:23:16.120 You know, would I let my daughter compete in Miss USA?

01:23:18.560 Absolutely not.

01:23:19.560 You know, but I think that her handlers need to get a hold of her and, you know, rein her

01:23:26.780 back a little bit because this is ultimately going to hurt her.

01:23:29.480 I think they're not going to do it, Brit.

01:23:30.800 She's making bank.

01:23:31.700 She's making she's reportedly worth two point three million dollars now at this very young

01:23:36.140 age.

01:23:36.540 She made like a million dollars.

01:23:38.020 I think this past year alone, I can't remember what the number is, but she's worth two

01:23:41.540 point three because of these social media posts because she happens to be pretty and

01:23:45.240 she, whatever.

01:23:45.900 But like, think about it, like if you're another girl who doesn't have the benefits

01:23:50.140 of just great genetics, right?

01:23:52.040 And you but you kick ass at gymnastics.

01:23:54.820 It used to be.

01:23:56.740 That would be enough, like you could just show up, Mary Lou Redden, whoever, and you just

01:24:01.140 kick ass, be strong, be the best.

01:24:02.920 And you you'll be the one with all the accolades.

01:24:05.680 Now we're so vain.

01:24:08.240 We are the Kim Kardashian selfie vanity culture.

01:24:11.020 And that's the lane that she's actually making her money in.

01:24:14.960 It's not really.

01:24:15.940 I'm sure there are other great gymnasts.

01:24:18.840 You're exactly right.

01:24:20.960 And was it Mary Lou Redden?

01:24:22.200 Was she the one that broke her ankle and then did it again and landed it perfectly?

01:24:26.540 Wasn't it?

01:24:27.040 I think I'm trying to remember, but I think that was Carrie Strug and then she nailed it.

01:24:30.360 Oh, yeah.

01:24:30.800 But Mary Lou Redden also gave us an amazing moment.

01:24:32.520 She was my hero.

01:24:33.840 She was my hero.

01:24:34.700 But, you know, it's funny.

01:24:35.480 That was before social media.

01:24:37.080 And I remember watching that.

01:24:38.140 I was in Yosemite when those Olympics aired and I was little.

01:24:41.700 And I remember seeing that and just, you know, the crowd erupting.

01:24:45.480 And then anyways, but I just remember seeing her strength, her perseverance and thinking,

01:24:51.860 I want that.

01:24:52.660 And how sad now that we live in a social media driven world where it's because Olivia is really

01:24:59.700 pretty.

01:25:00.100 I looked through her Instagram.

01:25:01.180 She's really cute.

01:25:02.020 Um, and gosh, it's sad to you scroll through just a few laps and it's like, she was so

01:25:07.040 like, she was so little, not too long ago.

01:25:09.540 Like she was just this tiny little thing, you know, and you watch the gradual change in her

01:25:14.000 social media very quickly go from just very cute and innocent out on a lake to, um, you

01:25:20.140 know, posing in lingerie.

01:25:21.340 But I think that that's an indictment on the world that we have created for our kids with

01:25:27.460 social media where, um, you know, what I had growing up when I was a little scraggly kid,

01:25:34.320 you know, somebody watching this amazing Olympic athlete land on a broken ankle.

01:25:39.160 And that was, she was the hero.

01:25:41.180 She was the idol.

01:25:42.500 And I wanted that strength and perseverance to now little girls are seeing, uh, a very

01:25:49.560 beautiful blonde bombshell in lingerie on social media.

01:25:53.600 And that's the ideal and that's the idol.

01:25:56.880 And I wonder, you know, how the implications that we'll have on our society going forward.

01:26:02.320 It's very sad.

01:26:03.200 So my daughter's 11, she's going to be 12 in April and she's a great soccer player.

01:26:07.280 She's hardcore and she goes out there with her little teammates and they play so hard.

01:26:12.860 They're rough and tumble.

01:26:14.260 They're sweating.

01:26:15.600 They're coming into puberty.

01:26:17.100 Some of them have acne.

01:26:18.720 No one's thinking about how they look on that soccer field.

01:26:22.400 It's about winning.

01:26:23.840 And now that Kim Kardashian thing is infecting like segment after segment of our society to

01:26:31.540 where like, I don't want to get to the point where, you know, they're having to do their

01:26:37.180 eyeliner before the game because the throngs of guys that they've attracted intentionally

01:26:43.840 on social media with overly provocative pictures might be, you know, it's just, I don't mean

01:26:50.540 to be too prude about it.

01:26:51.460 I understand we've all been, you know, in your case, incredibly attractive women.

01:26:56.060 In my case, I want to be attractive woman.

01:26:58.280 Stop it right now.

01:26:59.760 Stop that.

01:27:00.320 You take that back right now.

01:27:01.500 I will bring the pictures.

01:27:02.740 But my point is, I understand we all wanted like a male attention.

01:27:05.280 That's a natural part of growing up.

01:27:06.920 This seems like it's a different animal to me.

01:27:09.980 Yeah.

01:27:10.400 And, you know, one other thought I had was on the guys, right?

01:27:14.080 Because I read the article where it was like a mob rule that the guys just came and they

01:27:19.400 wanted Libby.

01:27:20.680 I guess that's what they were chanting.

01:27:22.180 Let me show it and then make your point.

01:27:23.880 Here it is.

01:27:24.220 I mean, I kind of, I mean, you guys, in a way it's kind of nice to see men act like men.

01:27:53.860 I mean, I, I'm probably going to get shamed for that, but support women's sports.

01:28:01.540 Like, wow, those are some manly men that like women.

01:28:04.860 Hallelujah.

01:28:08.100 Carrie's got a point.

01:28:09.640 She could be turning this whole thing around.

01:28:11.720 I don't know.

01:28:12.280 It's like, I just feel for the other girls who are just there for the sports, who are not

01:28:17.560 going to be able to, you know, do anything like this.

01:28:19.340 I think social media world is creating a mess and we've said that you can't take it away

01:28:24.240 though, you know, but we didn't grow up in, in the world of social media.

01:28:28.700 And so we're having to navigate it as parents for the first generation, who's being raised

01:28:33.540 in a world that is all social media.

01:28:36.160 Even what's the new, like Facebook has the, the meta meta world, right?

01:28:41.300 Did I, is that what it's called?

01:28:42.320 Meta world where it's like AI.

01:28:43.940 Metaverse, metaverse, metaverse.

01:28:46.580 Yeah.

01:28:46.780 And you like, you live in this world.

01:28:49.060 Like, I mean, it's going so far where I think we're starting to see the fallout of, um, just

01:28:54.920 of this new normal that we, we didn't grow up in and now we're having to try to navigate

01:28:59.500 it for our children and create boundaries and right.

01:29:03.280 And we, we didn't have that.

01:29:04.880 We didn't have this beast in front of us.

01:29:06.680 So we're having to learn as we go and yeah, watch carefully parents.

01:29:10.540 Cause it's, it's changing so fast.

01:29:12.520 Um, speaking of selfie culture and obsession with one's self, final note on Harry and Megan,

01:29:19.280 Chelsea Handler speaks about them.

01:29:21.940 It's Prince Harry.

01:29:22.640 Actually, you knew you weren't going to get away with a show without, um, at the critics

01:29:28.560 choice awards.

01:29:30.080 Um, and there was a snub of the, you know, the King and Queen of Montecito from Chelsea

01:29:35.740 Handler.

01:29:36.160 Listen to this up 14.

01:29:37.080 Dahmer became the third highest viewed show on Netflix with a combined watch time of 1

01:29:43.840 billion hours, which apparently is the same amount of time.

01:29:48.120 We're going to have to listen to Prince Harry talk about his frostbitten penis.

01:29:52.760 Yes.

01:29:53.200 It's enough already.

01:29:57.620 Yes, it is.

01:29:58.300 It's the first time I've ever agreed with Chelsea Handler on anything.

01:30:00.860 Isn't it?

01:30:01.420 It's enough.

01:30:01.880 Same.

01:30:03.000 Do you know what she's talking about with the frostbitten penis?

01:30:05.840 Oh, yes, of course.

01:30:07.260 We played the soundbite in which he read it.

01:30:09.120 It was creepy.

01:30:09.800 I'm starting to feel sorry for Megan Markle.

01:30:11.680 Oh, I, I didn't feel sorry for Megan until that point.

01:30:15.680 I I'll be honest.

01:30:16.340 Like that's the only part of the book I've read and hearing it in with him reading it.

01:30:21.920 I, I couldn't with, when he starts talking about Elizabeth, uh, Arden and the cream and

01:30:27.060 then it took him back to his mother, his deceased mother, as he put it on his frostbitten

01:30:31.540 penis.

01:30:32.160 I just, I, I didn't know what to do.

01:30:34.040 I didn't know what to do with myself.

01:30:35.440 It was disturbing.

01:30:37.900 And speaking of like celebrating the manly man, you'd be hard pressed to find it in the

01:30:42.620 pages of that 400 page book.

01:30:44.440 Oh, oh, it's great.

01:30:46.740 Megan, I want to know if you read it.

01:30:48.040 Did you read the book?

01:30:48.760 Be honest.

01:30:49.300 Yes.

01:30:49.780 Well, so I've done two things.

01:30:51.520 I've, I've downloaded it and my team has read the entire thing.

01:30:54.620 Plus I've read, you know, huge excerpts, but I haven't read it cover to cover yet.

01:30:57.400 And honestly, I don't think I'm going to, I just, I'm not that interested in him, believe

01:31:01.060 it or not.

01:31:01.440 I think he's interesting because of his connection to the Royals and because of his terrible behavior.

01:31:05.440 Like, that's what interests me.

01:31:06.760 Like a, like a sociological thing about him.

01:31:09.040 Why is he doing this?

01:31:09.900 Why would he, you know, he's the, he's the walking example of better to keep your mouth

01:31:15.440 shut and let people think you a fool, then open it up and prove them right.

01:31:19.200 He's the perfect example of that.

01:31:21.980 That's so well said.

01:31:23.560 You're so right.

01:31:25.000 I love how they want privacy, but yet he just keeps talking and talking and talking.

01:31:30.980 It's like, just stop H stop.

01:31:33.220 Okay.

01:31:33.440 And that H that's one of the most annoying things about them.

01:31:37.260 And the list is long Brit and Carrie.

01:31:39.960 So fun to see you.

01:31:40.980 Thanks for being here.

01:31:42.560 Right now.

01:31:43.400 It was so fun, Megan.

01:31:44.820 Thank you so much.

01:31:45.540 We can't wait to see you again soon.

01:31:47.400 Oh, likewise.

01:31:48.040 Quick moment.

01:31:49.920 We've got to show you before we go.

01:31:51.260 Yesterday, President Biden attended the National Action Network's annual MLK Day breakfast.

01:31:55.940 This is Al Sharpton's group.

01:31:57.260 So he goes and he does a shout out to the wife of MLK the third, who was there.

01:32:03.580 Her name is Andrea Waters King.

01:32:05.640 It was her birthday.

01:32:07.600 It didn't go well.

01:32:09.060 Well, look, my wife has a rule in her family.

01:32:12.000 When somebody's birthday, you sing happy birthday.

01:32:13.860 You ready?

01:32:14.820 Happy birthday to you.

01:32:18.520 Happy birthday to you.

01:32:22.000 Happy birthday.

01:32:23.340 Happy birthday to you.

01:32:29.800 Well, it's hell turning 30.

01:32:36.020 It's not.

01:32:37.520 It's Andrea.

01:32:40.920 Don't go there.

01:32:42.060 By the way, that was not.

01:32:43.200 You started on the second verse of happy birthday.

01:32:45.120 It starts off with happy birthday to you.

01:32:49.420 Anyway, he missed the first verse.

01:32:51.400 And it's not just Jill's thing to sing happy birthday when it's somebody's birthday.

01:32:55.560 FYI, so much to discuss.

01:32:58.960 Love your thoughts.

01:32:59.700 Email me at Megan at Megan Kelly dot com with your thoughts.

01:33:04.600 By the way, he also said Nancy Pelosi would be rolling over on what the House Republicans

01:33:09.020 have done.

01:33:09.440 So she's still alive, sir.

01:33:10.840 She's still alive.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - January 17, 2023

Hunter Hypocrisy, and Trans vs. Girls Rights, with Glenn Greenwald, Carrie Prejean Boller, and Britt Mayer ｜ Ep. 473

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