The Megyn Kelly Show - Hunter, Joe and (Dr.) Jill Biden, with Salena Zito and Andy McCarthy ｜ Ep. 38

00:00:00.500 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:06.680 Attorney General Bill Barr is on the way out and Hunter Biden is under investigation by the feds.

00:00:12.500 Oh, and it's Dr. Jill Biden.

00:00:15.000 Today with Andy McCarthy of National Review and Selena Zito of The Washington Examiner.

00:00:19.320 They're both here to help us break it down.

00:00:26.100 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:29.020 Today we've got Andrew McCarthy and Selena Zito.

00:00:33.520 A word on each of these guests.

00:00:35.360 Annie McCarthy was one of my favorite guests on The Kelly File on Fox News because this is a guy who's really done it.

00:00:41.340 He used to put terrorists in jail for a living.

00:00:43.500 He worked under Rudy Giuliani in the U.S. Attorney's Office and was one of the most respected federal prosecutors in the country.

00:00:51.040 And unlike most of the talking heads on TV, this is a real trial lawyer who actually knows what he's doing.

00:00:56.400 And not only has he been all over the Trump electoral challenges and really actually reading the evidence,

00:01:02.100 but he has been all over the Hunter Biden story and knows exactly what Hunter Biden is accused of and can walk us through what the DOJ is likely investigating when it comes to the president-elect's son.

00:01:15.460 And how this might cross over to the White House and where we go from here.

00:01:18.860 So he'll be with us in one minute.

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00:01:24.500 She's a columnist at the New York Post, a contributor there.

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00:04:40.500 Okay, so let's get right into it.

00:04:46.540 You wrote an interesting piece recently, which I think is a good place to kick it off, on how the elites are still not getting it.

00:04:52.300 They're still not getting it, despite four years of Trump, an election in which he won, a second election in which he nearly won.

00:05:00.320 They're still thinking he's going to go away.

00:05:04.020 And this weird coalition that came up underneath him will, you know, maybe fade.

00:05:09.940 And, you know, Trumpism could fade into the background and his deplorables hopefully will, too.

00:05:15.700 That's my summation of what many on the left think and hope.

00:05:19.060 And you're saying, guess again.

00:05:20.340 That's absolutely right.

00:05:22.200 And so what they don't seem to understand is they believe that this coalition of voters, that Donald Trump caused them.

00:05:31.400 What they had missed in the, I would argue, since 2006, when Republicans lost the midterms, I believe that's when this started.

00:05:41.080 What they don't understand is that Donald Trump was a result of this coalition.

00:05:46.900 He didn't cause it.

00:05:48.940 And it is not going away.

00:05:51.180 This is who the Republican Party is.

00:05:54.260 I would call it a conservative populist coalition.

00:05:58.400 And it has shown its durability and its strength if you just look at what happened, not only at the top of the ticket, yes, he did not win, but he did not win by not much, if that makes sense.

00:06:16.280 But look down ballot.

00:06:20.940 This is where we were supposed to see this massive blue wave, right?

00:06:26.580 The expectations were this is going to be an overall rejection of Trump, and this conservative populist coalition would diminish, and Republicans would not win down ballot.

00:06:41.320 That turned out to be the exact opposite.

00:06:44.880 Republicans not only did not lose by double digits in the House as predicted, they have won at least 12 seats.

00:06:56.320 A couple were still in, oddly, are still being counted, but they won 12 seats that no one saw coming, but they also did not lose a number of Senate seats that they expected.

00:07:14.880 And even more importantly, down ballot, way down in there, state House races, state Senate races, these are where, you know, this is the bench, right?

00:07:27.720 This is where leaders are going to come from.

00:07:30.480 They stayed Republican in a very massive and stable way.

00:07:37.300 So in other words, voters were willing to not vote for Trump, conservative voters, mostly based on his comportment, but they are still conservative in their values.

00:07:52.900 So they may have voted for Joe Biden for president, but they voted for their state senator or their U.S. senator, their member of Congress or their state rep.

00:08:05.460 They voted Republican, showing that Biden is the date rather than the person they're going to take to the altar.

00:08:15.560 He's sort of temporary.

00:08:17.600 And I would also argue, and I think this is a really important point, Megan, is that most of the elites thought and still believe that Donald Trump's candidacy was a black swan.

00:08:30.020 I would argue that it's not because the durability of the coalition and the pieces that they, the candidates that they elected.

00:08:39.120 But I would argue that Biden is the black swan.

00:08:42.740 He is not really reflective of their base and their coalition.

00:08:46.520 And he is a placeholder for the party.

00:08:49.440 He is not what the party is for the future.

00:08:53.440 Now, when you say black swan, I think of the Natalie Portman movie where somebody turns out to be an obsessed would-be murderer.

00:08:59.400 I guess that's not what you mean.

00:09:01.020 You mean not representative of the rest of the swans.

00:09:05.320 Right, right.

00:09:06.120 Exactly.

00:09:07.020 It was just an anomaly.

00:09:08.640 It wasn't really supposed to happen, and it's not going to happen again.

00:09:11.540 Now, I think for sure one of the reasons that the Republicans rejected the Democrats in so many of these down-ballot races is their constant lecturing to people about how they need to talk and live and think and wokeism and cancel culture and the squad.

00:09:28.060 And I think most Americans just don't want to live like that at all.

00:09:30.640 And Biden was acceptable for the top of the ticket because he hasn't really been woke, although we'll see whether he can be manipulated by them.

00:09:41.000 Early signs, I would say, are not good.

00:09:43.020 But anyway, that already has manifested in the news.

00:09:48.980 And it's a stupid dispute, but it really blew up this week, and I wanted to get your take on it.

00:09:54.460 So I'm sure you know what I'm talking about, but there was an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal, and what happened was this guy, Joseph Epstein, wrote, again, an op-ed.

00:10:06.860 This is his opinion, and it's entitled, Is There a Doctor in the White House? Not If You Need an M.D.

00:10:12.680 And he criticized basically when people who have PhDs or other doctorates calling themselves doctor as kind of, you know, like, who do you think you are?

00:10:21.060 And he said he began the piece with Madam First Lady, Mrs. Biden, Jill, kiddo.

00:10:26.800 A bit of advice on what may seem like a small, but I think is not an unimportant matter.

00:10:32.080 Any chance you might drop the doctor before your name?

00:10:34.820 Well, he should have put a trigger warning, trigger, trigger, because the administration, the incoming administration lost its mind.

00:10:43.920 And then, of course, the media lemmings followed just as directed.

00:10:47.040 And you would have thought, I mean, he was telling her, don't vote, get back in the kitchen and shut the you-know-what up.

00:10:54.420 I will tell you, just to kick it off, I didn't think there was anything sexist about this.

00:10:59.080 I think you could say this to male or female who's using the term doctor.

00:11:02.620 And it is a little annoying.

00:11:03.740 It's a little annoying when somebody who's not an MD wants you to call them doctor.

00:11:07.680 It just is.

00:11:09.060 That's my own take on it.

00:11:10.520 But I thought it was amazing how the Biden administration incoming sent out their signals and man, did the media respond.

00:11:18.900 Yeah, you know, I absolutely agree with you.

00:11:21.160 I think using the word doctor when you, it is in her position of education, is great to use in academic circles, right?

00:11:31.720 Because they sort of like to, you know, show off their degrees.

00:11:38.340 But outside of academic circles, it really doesn't have much meaning.

00:11:43.780 And that not only that the incoming administration is completely tone deaf on that, but also that our profession amplified that tone deafness shows the problem that the media, but also establishment and institutional members in politics still don't understand the people that vote for them.

00:12:12.040 And case in point, I have argued this many times, whether it is politics or whether it's the media, whether it's Hollywood, whatever the large institution is.

00:12:25.700 They need more people in their, in their boardrooms, in their decision maker meetings that, that, that are more reflective of the people that they serve or the people that are their consumers or that are the people that buy their products or want to vote for them.

00:12:44.020 In other words, if there was someone in their administration that went to a state school or sits in a, in a pew every Sunday, or just would say to them, you know, guys, it's a little too much.

00:12:58.140 I think, I, I, I, I just think y'all needed to step back.

00:13:03.340 I'm really super proud of what you've accomplished academically, but that doesn't serve anybody well to be scolding them for not using titles.

00:13:13.900 We are a country that does not use titles, period.

00:13:17.180 It's sort of why we got involved in this little revolution.

00:13:20.740 But that's what she does everywhere. 1.00

00:13:21.860 I mean, her Twitter handle, I think is at Dr. Jill Biden or act doctor and whenever she has a television appearance, she wants to be introduced as Dr. Jill Biden.

00:13:31.540 Now the wall street journal points out, they don't even refer to Henry Kissinger as Dr. Kissinger.

00:13:36.500 So like her PhD in education probably doesn't carry the weight from the university of Delaware.

00:13:42.780 She thinks it does.

00:13:43.740 But to me, this whole thing was a sad reflection on her, the need to be called by this honorific, the need to, to have every media organization use it and to put it in your Twitter handle is sad.

00:13:59.120 It says something about her that I think she doesn't want to be saying.

00:14:02.400 And then as I started reading about this, it came out that indeed the whole reason she's doing this, like that she, the whole reason she got the, the, um, the, the PhD to begin with was because she said, and I quote, I was so sick of the mail coming to Senator and Mrs. Biden.

00:14:22.340 I wanted to get mail address to Dr. and Senator Biden.

00:14:25.340 That's the real reason she got her doctorate according to an LA time story, uh, that was done on her in 2009. 0.99

00:14:32.600 She was sick of the mail, uh, addressing her as what she perceived as a second class citizen.

00:14:38.980 I'm sorry, Selena, but like the media, this is gross.

00:14:43.100 Most of us get annoyed when somebody with a PhD wants us to call them doctor.

00:14:47.120 And she's not even in like the, the therapy field.

00:14:49.720 Like I can, I can make the case for a Dr. Phil, right?

00:14:52.820 Like, okay.

00:14:53.840 He's at least like helping people.

00:14:55.520 But she's an educator. 0.99

00:14:56.860 And, and I just think like, this is, this is very telling about where we're going to go.

00:15:01.420 They saw an opportunity to act woke, to virtue signal, to try to throw the sexism charge where it didn't belong.

00:15:08.700 I mean, just to give the audience a flavor, here's what we got.

00:15:12.160 Mrs. Biden spokesperson, uh, Michael La Russa, uh, issued a tweet to the wall street journal.

00:15:17.060 You should be embarrassed to print the disgusting and sexist attack on at Dr.

00:15:21.860 Biden running on the wall street journal.

00:15:23.460 If you had any respect for women at all, you would remove this repugnant display of chauvinism from your paper and apologize to her.

00:15:31.420 Then Elizabeth Alexander, soon to be first ladies communications director, sexist, shameful, be better at wall street journal. 1.00

00:15:38.460 Two more Doug Emdorf, I'm sorry.

00:15:40.920 M M Hoff. 0.88

00:15:41.980 That's Kamala Harris's husband tweeted.

00:15:43.800 Dr. Biden earned her degrees through hard work and pure grit. 0.99

00:15:50.060 And he's making her sound like a Marine.

00:15:51.780 She's an inspiration to me, her students into the Americans across the country.

00:15:54.840 The story would never have been written about a man says, who, how do you know?

00:15:58.520 And then there's Pete Buttigieg's husband, Chaston Chaston.

00:16:01.840 I can never get that right.

00:16:02.680 And he says the author could have used fewer words to just say, you know, in my day, we didn't have to respect women.

00:16:09.740 Can they stop?

00:16:11.020 This makes my brain hurt.

00:16:12.600 There's a couple of things going on here.

00:16:14.500 First of all, she's not requiring people to call her Dr. 0.74

00:16:18.480 Biden.

00:16:18.940 She's demanding it.

00:16:20.720 Second of all, her reasoning behind it is it's sort of sad.

00:16:25.580 If that the only reason you want to achieve a doctorate is because of not having a title on when you receive mail is is kind of there's a there's some serious issues going on there.

00:16:42.000 If if if that and unless that was just a flippant remark and even then making a flippant remark about that is is also just sort of a sad reflection of sense of self.

00:16:52.540 You know, I don't live in D.C. or New York.

00:16:56.220 I live in Pittsburgh, which is what I call the Paris of Appalachia.

00:17:00.680 And there's a lot of there's a lot of people around here that do a lot.

00:17:05.620 And the people that I cover.

00:17:07.020 Right. Like I cover the Midwest.

00:17:08.660 I cover Appalachia.

00:17:10.680 And and the people around here don't really think much of titles.

00:17:15.480 It's more about what you accomplish and how you serve people and demanding a title.

00:17:22.540 It's completely out of touch on her part.

00:17:25.180 It's also there's another layer here that I think is really important to touch on is that, you know, there's there's there's some serious examples of sexism.

00:17:37.380 And, you know, anywhere in this country, you can find that those things happening to put this in that category is insulting to people who experience sexism.

00:17:51.280 Right. I mean, this is just like using racism as like a throwaway line there.

00:17:57.360 There are people that experience serious racism and sexism and putting these little outrages because you didn't use a title as examples of sexism is is diminishes some of the experiences that women have had.

00:18:13.680 And and then this it's also this coordinated event.

00:18:18.820 Right. Do they not think that people do not understand that is as you look at these series of tweets and you look at these series of outrages or examples of being outraged?

00:18:29.080 It there is a common thread of wording that they use that, you know, that they all got together, like on a Zoom call and say, OK, y'all say this and you say that.

00:18:38.300 Yeah. And and it's it's these are the type of things that that that that really, really annoy people.

00:18:47.100 And I think to a very more important point, period, is that elected officials don't ever seem to understand why they're sent to Washington.

00:18:57.520 This is not one of the reasons why the Bidens are going to the White House.

00:19:02.540 They know these parties keep misread like voters keep sending them a message with their vote and they keep misreading this.

00:19:12.740 They keep misunderstanding why they were placed in the White House.

00:19:17.240 Making an outrage over a title is certainly not one of the things we wanted to see them talk about with our vote, who, you know, with the vote that people cast for the Bidens.

00:19:29.340 And it's fake. It's fake. It's it's manufactured outrage to get headlines that they think will boost support among their Democratic base.

00:19:36.260 And it's the typical media virtue signaling that we see in every story that involves race or gender or trans people like they're the media's first instinct is I have to be on the right team.

00:19:50.740 I've got to be on the right team. Sexism. Yes, I see it, too. Racism. Yes, there it is.

00:19:54.680 Without stopping to think as humans, I will say my own interpretation is the only word in there that's even arguably potentially sexist is the kiddo.

00:20:03.820 But as The Wall Street Journal explained in its own defense, they referenced how Joe Biden publicly refers to her, Jill Biden, as kiddo, including in his 2012 Democratic Convention speech.

00:20:16.640 It's not like just a private term of endearment. So, yeah, come on. What's good for the goose? Right.

00:20:21.780 So anyway, I love The Wall Street Journal's ultimate response.

00:20:24.740 They essentially gave a middle finger where they said, if you if you disagree with Mr. Epstein, who, by the way, has been like removed from the Northwestern board, their website, you know, he's getting almost canceled now.

00:20:36.520 So The Wall Street Journal's response is write a letter or shot your objections on Twitter.

00:20:40.580 But these pages aren't going to stop publishing provocative essays merely because they offend the new administration or the political censors in the media and the academy.

00:20:51.300 Yay. Yay. Yay. That is great.

00:20:54.860 That is our job in the news organization is to be have these robust, provocative voices that should make people think.

00:21:04.200 I also think that our profession misreads the power of Twitter in that they think that everyone is on Twitter and is is viewing every tweet with bated breath.

00:21:17.820 I think the Pew Research Center study that they did earlier this month on on how many people actually use Twitter is is sort of fascinating.

00:21:31.240 I think it said let me see here just 10 percent of you to users on Twitter produce an astounding 92 percent of all tweets.

00:21:40.820 And nine and 69 percent of those highly prolific Twitter users are Democrats.

00:21:46.420 And they're not even reflective of moderate, normal Democrats that, you know, are all across the country.

00:21:53.400 They are the most progressive of Democrats.

00:21:56.220 So it is fascinating to me that they also go on with these outrages and use Twitter.

00:22:02.180 It's almost as if they're just talking to themselves to satisfy their own ego.

00:22:06.540 So you can feel that when you're on there, by the way, it's it's Dr. Kelly, just in case you're wondering, I have a jurist doctor and I, too, would like to be referred to as doctor.

00:22:15.460 But and for the record, my dad was a Ph.D.

00:22:18.820 He had a Ph.D. in education and taught Ph.D. students for a living at universities and never wanted to be called Dr. Kelly.

00:22:25.340 He said, just call me professor or mister.

00:22:27.260 That's fine. In the classroom, you call me professor outside.

00:22:29.700 I'm Mr. Kelly.

00:22:30.280 It's just, again, back to my original point, it says something sad about her that she's constantly making people refer to her that way.

00:22:37.460 It does exactly the opposite of what she intends.

00:22:41.200 It diminishes her from the get go as opposed to her just being really smart and impressive and her walking away and you thinking, wow, wow, as opposed to like, oh, God, she needed the honorific.

00:22:52.700 OK, I want to switch gears with you and ask you about Governor Cuomo.

00:23:00.460 He's, of course, the darling of the media.

00:23:03.520 And he now he's he made some headlines this week because, first of all, he publicly doubted the vaccine before it came out or right right as it was announced.

00:23:14.280 He threatened to sue the federal government over how it was going to be distributed.

00:23:18.180 He said he he didn't trust President Trump.

00:23:21.940 He was going to create some independent review board, which wound up being like a nothing.

00:23:27.540 And then yesterday, as we saw the first person in the United States, a Queens critical care nurse get the vaccine.

00:23:36.900 There he was, Selena, smiling on camera, trying to take all the credit, preening.

00:23:43.640 And it's just you look at the difference in the way they, you know, the media just lets him get away with it.

00:23:50.460 It's fine. He's he's he's the anointed one.

00:23:52.680 And by the way, the AP is reporting that he is under serious consideration to be the next attorney general.

00:23:58.100 Oh, well, you know, Megan, one of the things that I heard a lot from people in the early days, weeks and years of the Trump administration is not the criticism of how the press treated him.

00:24:13.100 They expected him.

00:24:14.140 Then they wanted him to take tough questions.

00:24:16.100 He was an unknown commodity.

00:24:18.360 He'd never really been in politics before.

00:24:20.320 But they would also say in the same sentence, I don't mind that that he takes tough questions, that the press gives him tough questions.

00:24:28.620 I just wanted to know where that press was for the last eight years, meaning during the Obama administration.

00:24:36.000 And and and this and the same can be said for Cuomo.

00:24:41.420 He just he doesn't get tough questions.

00:24:44.600 If he does get tough questions, he yells at the reporters in a way that you just want to crawl under your desk and and and hope that he never sees your face again.

00:24:55.420 And so it all goes to our profession.

00:25:01.500 We need to give equal scrutiny, equal pressure, equal tough questions to both sides and not pressing Cuomo on his hypocrisy.

00:25:14.600 How this was covered.

00:25:16.420 OK, he's going to be a hypocrite.

00:25:17.820 He's going to try to get away with it.

00:25:19.280 You know, you know, many of us might try to get away with whatever we can, but that the press hasn't pushed him on it.

00:25:26.020 Is that is that we have let him get away with having this double standard.

00:25:30.820 Yeah.

00:25:31.040 Or the as the New York Post did a great write up saying he also wrote a self aggrandizing book about his supposed great leadership.

00:25:40.740 They're exactly right.

00:25:41.760 And since then, the cases have spiked.

00:25:43.700 Quoting now lockdowns have increased.

00:25:45.580 He bungled not only the closing and the reopening of the schools where he came up with a feigned disagreement with Mayor de Blasio.

00:25:54.900 He's closing indoor dining.

00:25:56.840 He like he's just throwing darts at the board while giving a tour on leadership, writing a book on leadership.

00:26:02.820 To me, it's gross because this guy of all people deserves tough questions.

00:26:08.320 You're right.

00:26:08.860 Our profession won't throw them at him.

00:26:11.820 And by the way, I think you're being modest because I know as well as you do that if he had the nerve to come after me the way he comes after these reporters asking him questions, I would love it.

00:26:21.640 And so would you.

00:26:23.040 Good.

00:26:23.440 Well, I kind of I kind of would have, you know, and you're right about Cuomo.

00:26:27.560 You're also, you know, I mean, I can point to my governor here in Pennsylvania.

00:26:31.320 The questions that that he gets are you have to go through a filter to to give them initially.

00:26:37.440 Initially, now now he does take questions without that filter, but he doesn't a great dance of not ever answering them directly.

00:26:48.560 And and, you know, you have seen it in New York.

00:26:51.020 I've seen it in Pennsylvania, but also in my neighboring states of Ohio and West Virginia, where you just see this sort of winners and losers are picked by these administrations.

00:27:02.940 And and they they don't listen or talk or engage with the people that they have impacted and and they get they get away with it.

00:27:13.540 Wait a minute.

00:27:14.320 What do you what do you what do you mean that you had to submit questions through a like that your questions to the governor had to be filtered?

00:27:21.000 That in the very beginning.

00:27:23.320 Now we're talking back in March.

00:27:24.920 The questions had to you had to submit the questions to the press secretary and then he someone would read the questions out loud and then he would answer them.

00:27:36.240 Now, that practice has stopped.

00:27:38.360 He does.

00:27:39.060 He does take the there are now press conferences where you can dial in and just, you know, wait your turn to to ask the question.

00:27:49.620 Mm hmm.

00:27:50.340 This is a this is a job.

00:27:51.540 But this is out of the Joe Biden playbook.

00:27:53.020 I mean, now, finally, his lordship will allow to allow some people to ask questions, though.

00:27:57.340 Very infrequently, he does want to get an answer.

00:28:00.080 Yeah, that's that's absolutely true.

00:28:02.260 And I think that there's a lot of people in our profession who have forgotten the value of the follow up question.

00:28:09.360 I don't know what's happened with that.

00:28:11.660 But, you know, it's fair.

00:28:14.280 It's a normal practice for a reporter to ask an elected official a question and for them to answer that and to give the answer they want.

00:28:22.920 But traditionally, reporters have then been able to say, well, wait a minute.

00:28:27.400 That's not, you know, what about this?

00:28:30.080 Well, there's very few wait a minute experiences.

00:28:33.260 One of the things that that that Donald Trump will be remembered for, there would be a lot of things, but he was so available to the press.

00:28:45.000 It was astounding.

00:28:47.640 That's right.

00:28:48.100 They didn't like what he said, but he was available to them.

00:28:50.940 Yeah, that's exactly right.

00:28:52.180 But, you know, our job is not to like what they say.

00:28:55.820 Our job is to continue to ask questions.

00:28:57.940 And whether you liked him or not, he made himself very available.

00:29:04.200 And and and and that is something that I am concerned that we are not going to see with this administration, this next administration.

00:29:16.160 I see.

00:29:17.100 I see it as, you know, the White House press briefings where there's that one White House reporter from OAN, Chanel, somebody.

00:29:24.140 And she's basically she's she reminds me of like Pravda, you know, Russian press, whose job is really just to tell Putin how great he is, like, just as great as we think you are.

00:29:33.400 Are you even better?

00:29:34.180 Just could you take the mic and go on for five minutes about that?

00:29:36.620 It's actually kind of astounding to watch.

00:29:38.720 But I see her towards Trump like that.

00:29:42.040 And I see the rest of the media, the mainstream media in that same way toward Biden.

00:29:47.160 And for that matter, Cuomo, they're obsequious in their approach to these guys.

00:29:52.600 There's no skepticism toward anybody with a D after their name.

00:29:57.060 You know, we saw just this week Cuomo was accused publicly by a public figure.

00:30:03.480 Her name is Lindsay Boylan, who was a former aide of his of sexual harassment.

00:30:08.180 I can't wait to see the in-depth reports on this from all the mainstream media and, you know, the same ones that put on the bogus Kavanaugh accusers without so much of a whiff of credibility.

00:30:20.600 You know, that the gang rape person and it was all lies.

00:30:25.420 Right.

00:30:26.020 You know, they're they're going to be a lot more skeptical when it comes to her than it is than when it comes to Cuomo.

00:30:32.640 Yeah. And it sort of goes back to what we talked about before with these larger institutions, including large media, where everyone is sort of has the same background.

00:30:44.700 Right. They've all live in the same super zip code, either if you're in D.C. or New York.

00:30:49.620 Most of the zip codes surrounding those areas are some of the wealthiest in the country and they all have, you know, great careers.

00:30:57.060 I mean, and great accomplishments academically.

00:31:00.620 But so everyone, you know, is at the same social events.

00:31:04.460 There's no diversity of ideas within that that set of reporters.

00:31:10.500 And so I think that's why we see a lack of intellectual curiosity, because what they see with Biden is sort of what they believe in.

00:31:22.060 So it doesn't click to them that, wow, maybe we should question this or, wow, this might affect people that live in southern Illinois or who live in Kansas or who live in western Maryland in a way that it doesn't impact us.

00:31:37.500 And we we need need more diversity in our reporting.

00:31:43.540 Well, I think that, you know, the you watch the the lack of interest in the allegation against Cuomo.

00:31:50.740 That's that's sort of them not showing their virtue signaling because it's a Democrat.

00:31:56.100 Right. If that were Republican, they'd be like, oh, you know, believe all women. 0.99

00:31:59.400 Right. But it's the same thing.

00:32:00.900 I said I sent out a tweet about this today about I'm sorry to even bring this person up.

00:32:05.520 But Deborah Messing, the actress, who's out there constantly lecturing the rest of us on how we need to be sensitive to various groups, including the LGBTQ crowd, who she thinks she represents because she starred in Will and Grace for some odd years.

00:32:18.640 But she she tweeted out, I hope Trump is the most popular boyfriend in prison.

00:32:25.920 She's really hoping Trump goes to prison and is subjected to anal rape by his fellow prisoners.

00:32:31.780 I mean, that's what she's saying. And this is this is Miss I'm LGBTQ sensitive.

00:32:36.680 And she immediately got shamed by people saying, oh, so we really would appreciate if you didn't use that as your method of attack, even her allies.

00:32:44.960 And she she goes out saying, oh, I've been an ally to to this community for decades.

00:32:49.220 And I was in no way referencing LGBTQ love or sexuality.

00:32:53.680 But Trump's victimized tens of millions.

00:32:56.860 And I wanted the tables turned on him.

00:32:59.740 Apologies for the offensive way I did it.

00:33:02.060 Well, I mean, this is a person who wanted to blacklist all of Trump's donors.

00:33:05.600 Remember, she wanted to out them all.

00:33:06.900 She wanted to dox them. 0.54

00:33:08.340 She compared Donald Trump to Hitler like these people.

00:33:11.740 They're they're so quick to to claim the high ground when it comes to someone on their team.

00:33:18.160 But if you've got a Republican jersey on like Trump, forget it.

00:33:22.540 Absolutely true.

00:33:23.700 She's going to get away with this.

00:33:25.080 She's not going to get canceled by her peers.

00:33:27.620 No, she might get dinged a little bit.

00:33:30.260 But this is there's not going to be any sort of, you know, punishment for this.

00:33:37.300 But yet what she said is, let's be honest, that was pretty disgusting.

00:33:42.400 And and just just in the threat alone of what she hoped for.

00:33:48.800 But also just this assumption that that, you know, this is that that that LGBTQ would behave this way in prison.

00:34:02.440 And it's just it's just very revealing to her character.

00:34:07.040 You know, people like this tend to after they get comfortable of just flipping off whatever they want to in a tweet, they get comfortable and they don't think and they reveal who they really are.

00:34:19.220 And I think that she did that in this moment.

00:34:21.680 How out of touch is she?

00:34:22.880 Right.

00:34:23.060 How out of touch are all these people like we just saw it?

00:34:25.640 Sorry to bring up another tweet, but it feels small about what I did enjoy this one.

00:34:28.960 Ben Stiller got in a dust up with my pal Janice Dean, who my audience knows has been ripping on Cuomo because he sent six thousand covid positive patients into nursing homes.

00:34:39.960 And then her both of her in-laws died in those nursing homes.

00:34:43.720 And she was mad because the governor, true to form, is raising thousands of dollars for himself at a virtual birthday party.

00:34:54.360 And Janice sent out a tweet saying shame on those who are attending this thing instead of trying to raise money for people suffering from the covid lockdowns.

00:35:01.780 And like and she called him out.

00:35:03.120 Whoopi Goldberg, Ben Stiller, Rosie Perez, Henry Winkler.

00:35:06.160 And it wasn't about it being virtual.

00:35:08.420 It was about the fundraising for him at a time when people are suffering.

00:35:12.440 And then Ben Stiller, like so many of these dumb celebrities who don't pay attention to the news, walked right into the blades of that fan saying nothing wrong with supporting a politician.

00:35:25.080 As you know, the current president has been soliciting hundreds of millions to overturn the election, not for covid relief.

00:35:30.980 You wrote a book about spreading sunshine.

00:35:32.780 Apparently you don't like the governor.

00:35:34.860 I do.

00:35:35.580 Don't be divisive by.

00:35:37.200 And honestly, you can almost hear his PR agent calling him up, being like, no, backtrack.

00:35:44.680 No, delete that tweet.

00:35:46.260 You don't know who you're dealing with.

00:35:47.700 This woman has every right to complain. 1.00

00:35:49.440 And, you know, as soon as he found out that and Janice responded, saying nothing wrong with criticizing a politician who likes to profit off the deaths of New Yorkers.

00:35:58.020 And she said, you're right.

00:35:59.300 I don't like the governor because his policies help kill my husband's parents.

00:36:02.960 Enjoy your fundraiser.

00:36:04.420 Now, he wound up deleting the tweet.

00:36:06.160 He apologized.

00:36:07.180 I'm sure he was advised.

00:36:09.260 Apologize immediately.

00:36:10.620 But this is how to touch.

00:36:11.820 They are, Selena.

00:36:12.500 It's like it's fine.

00:36:13.500 Go ahead.

00:36:14.080 Attack her.

00:36:14.680 She's the one being divisive by saying maybe you shouldn't be doing a fundraiser in the middle of the lockdown for yourself.

00:36:20.540 But that's how they think that it's all about getting their guy who's got the D jersey, you know, with more power and in the right office.

00:36:28.000 Janice is a friend, a dear friend.

00:36:29.660 And what she heard her family have gone through has been just just devastating.

00:36:35.360 But she has taken up arms and become a warrior for the people that were lost and for families who have lost people.

00:36:43.020 And she has called Cuomo on the carpet on many hypocritical things that he has done since the order with nursing homes.

00:36:55.160 And to your point, again, Hollywood, what an out-of-touch entity.

00:37:01.340 The people that live there, again, live within their own bubble.

00:37:04.060 They sort of hang out with the same people.

00:37:08.480 And they don't know anyone that is different than them because they're so surrounded by people just like them.

00:37:17.540 And so, you know, he makes snotty comments like that.

00:37:23.500 And that impacts the bottom line.

00:37:27.140 You know, people really have taken a turn against these, against Hollywood.

00:37:33.820 But also just think about the NFL, right?

00:37:37.040 Look how much people have stopped.

00:37:40.440 Look at the ratings drop within the NFL.

00:37:42.660 You know, look where the NFL is located.

00:37:45.720 Where are their headquarters?

00:37:46.920 Park Avenue, New York.

00:37:48.620 I would argue they'd be better served if their headquarters were in Canton, Ohio.

00:37:53.040 It's more reflective of the people that sit in their seats.

00:37:56.560 And, you know, Hollywood, but NFL and media, they keep making these decisions based on where they live.

00:38:06.040 And not where the people that consume their news, but also put butts in their seats or their football games or watch their movies.

00:38:15.460 And they've all suffered because people have become tired of this arrogance and this disconnect from regular folks.

00:38:25.940 I think you're right that people are tired of it.

00:38:27.940 People on the right are in the center, too.

00:38:29.880 And you can see the center left getting irritated by it, too.

00:38:32.120 But what what's the solution?

00:38:36.240 Because once you've lost the media, Hollywood, sports, corporate America, I could go on.

00:38:44.420 What what do you do to get it back?

00:38:49.420 Well, we're heading into unknown territory.

00:38:51.400 One of the things I have argued since Trump won is, you know, Republican establishment and Democrats establishment folks should have been the reaction should have been more reflective.

00:39:06.960 And and looked at this at this candidate and say, OK, if I if they were Republicans, they should they should have said, look, he beat 17 of our best men and women.

00:39:19.260 Right. And and the Democrats should have said he beat what someone said was what everyone was said was the unbeatable candidate in Hillary Clinton.

00:39:28.440 What have we and look at him? What have we done wrong?

00:39:32.560 But there is no this there was no admission to getting things wrong.

00:39:37.400 And I think until these entities and that goes with Hollywood, that goes for the NFL, that goes for corporate America, who's decided to now be woke and put woke things in every there, every tweet, every ad, every time you go on their Web sites.

00:39:54.580 There needs to be a come to Jesus moment to within these corporate boardrooms to say, we need to step back and look at how we've been treating people.

00:40:07.660 And they're not doing that. And I don't know that they can do that because I don't know that they can get outside of their bubbles and be more thoughtful about these things.

00:40:16.320 So what does that mean? With the divide just gets wider.

00:40:19.020 And and and and you are going to see the bottom lines of not just Hollywood, not just media, not just the NFL or Major League Baseball.

00:40:30.660 And you're going to see them suffer because of that until they're able to to be more reflective of how, you know, like they've all decided to become social justice organizations.

00:40:43.380 They've all decided that just watching yesterday, their reaction to changing the name of the Cleveland Indians to the Cleveland baseball team within people on social media.

00:40:58.360 Just is astounding that that they're that on the that they just don't understand that this is not going to go over well with their with their fans, with their viewers.

00:41:12.380 First of all, as an organization, you're making the assumption that you think everyone that attends your games are are racist because team is named Indians and they support that. 1.00

00:41:22.860 I would I would I would I would I would ask them to go on to to talk to Native Americans.

00:41:29.560 And I would say, based on conversations I have had, they would say, y'all are crazy.

00:41:35.500 This does not bother us.

00:41:37.840 Well, it's like this push in the real estate industry to get rid of the term master bedroom.

00:41:42.240 Yes, that's racist.

00:41:43.680 It's I mean, soon it'll be master's degrees.

00:41:46.100 It should be like, I got the degree that follows college and is right underneath Jill, Jill Biden's doctorate.

00:41:53.080 I don't know what to call it.

00:41:56.020 You know, you're not you're not wrong.

00:41:58.800 And that is both sad and funny.

00:42:02.060 Like I'm black right now because it's true. 0.98

00:42:06.280 It's absolutely true.

00:42:08.160 And it's it's sad.

00:42:09.700 And if you go out there like I do and you talk and you listen to people, they think these corporations and these entities have lost their minds and there's less and less loyalty.

00:42:21.300 You know, in my book, I talked with Mark Cuban about taking these social justice stands.

00:42:30.060 And he said, well, we're betting on the next generation, what they are finding.

00:42:36.380 I think what they didn't understand is these next generations, millennials, Gen Z, they do not have the loyalty to brand and the loyalty to team in the same way that my generation or Gen X generation did.

00:42:51.900 And so they're suffering because of that.

00:42:54.920 They have pushed Gen X people out, they have pushed boomers out and and they're there. 1.00

00:43:00.680 There's an expectation that that, oh, well, we're woke and we're social justice and we're this and we're that, that these young people are going to come.

00:43:07.720 And these young people are like, yeah, we're not that loyal to you.

00:43:10.500 So sorry.

00:43:11.980 Right.

00:43:12.680 Well, I had Cuban on the program and he totally denied that the fall in ratings for the NBA, of which, you know, he owns a team for those who don't know, had anything to do with their wokeism.

00:43:22.960 And it was, you know, patently obvious that it did.

00:43:26.180 And he's like, no, it didn't have anything to do with it.

00:43:28.280 And then later that day, after the interview aired, the head of the NBA came out and said, yeah, we're getting rid of that next year.

00:43:34.220 Yeah, we're not going to do anything.

00:43:35.500 And of course, the almighty dollar reigns in the end.

00:43:38.420 So maybe that's the way forward.

00:43:39.680 But I think to to end where we began, you your point was this doesn't go away just because Trump is no longer president.

00:43:48.320 This is this is the the beginning.

00:43:51.260 This is this is like mid beginning.

00:43:53.520 It's not the end.

00:43:54.520 I'll give you the final word.

00:43:56.140 Yeah, absolutely.

00:43:57.060 This this this coalition was formed not because of Trump.

00:44:00.360 He again, he was the result of it.

00:44:01.840 Since the election, if you look at the results down ballot and overall, this conservative populist coalition became bigger, younger and more diverse and had more of an impact in American electoral politics.

00:44:17.540 Then I think people are still willing to acknowledge even the president from President Trump to incoming president elect Joe Biden.

00:44:29.920 Neither of them have really knowledge or understand how broad this coalition it is and do not understand the impact, not only that it will have an American politics, but also an American culture and American consumerism.

00:44:44.180 And they keep ignoring it at their peril.

00:44:50.420 In a minute, we're going to be joined by Andy McCarthy, and he is going to explain the Hunter Biden investigation and details you may never have heard.

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00:45:07.100 This is like this doesn't smell good, people.

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00:46:31.260 And now, Andy McCarthy.

00:46:35.200 This is a perfect day to have you.

00:46:37.760 One could say we were prescient, although we didn't know this was going to happen.

00:46:41.400 But Bill Barr is leaving.

00:46:43.640 And I know you're his fan.

00:46:45.280 Why do you think he's going?

00:46:46.200 I think he's for a long time been kind of whipsawed between a media and a legal culture that really despises Trump in a rational way.

00:47:02.540 And Trump himself, who is president, just has never tried to conform not only to the disciplines and the traditions of the presidency, but how they interplay in a way that's very important with the Justice Department.

00:47:23.740 And I think that's been an uphill climb for him the whole way.

00:47:28.380 But he's a big boy, and this is his second tour of duty.

00:47:31.520 So it's not like he didn't know what he was getting into.

00:47:35.160 But I just think it, you know, he's got, at most, he would have been there for another five weeks.

00:47:39.660 So he's leaving a little bit early, but it really did get kind of ugly.

00:47:45.080 That's why it was weird, right?

00:47:46.480 Because it's like, why wouldn't he just see it out to the end?

00:47:48.780 He's been AG for all his time.

00:47:51.100 See it out to the end.

00:47:52.560 Well, he may think that he's got a handful of things that he can get done.

00:47:56.540 He doesn't need five weeks to get them done.

00:47:59.640 And the weekend, I really think the weekend was bad, Megan.

00:48:02.300 I mean, the president turning on him the way he did and the attacks.

00:48:07.740 I think the recent attacks have probably worn on him more than, maybe even more than he realizes,

00:48:13.400 but certainly more than was apparent to me.

00:48:18.080 All right, let's get the listeners up to speed on what we're talking about.

00:48:21.380 So the attorney general's going.

00:48:23.220 He's been, and he's saying diplomatically that it's been tough to be the AG under President Trump

00:48:31.180 because Trump kind of treats the Justice Department like his own personal attorneys.

00:48:34.800 And he thinks Bill Barr should just be doing whatever's good for Trump.

00:48:37.740 And Bill Barr has gotten criticized for doing that in the view of some, but not not here,

00:48:44.520 not in an area that turned out to be potentially very important.

00:48:47.620 And Trump is angry at Bill Barr and some Republicans are, too, because what we learned is that the

00:48:54.520 Department of Justice has been investigating Hunter Biden.

00:48:57.660 You know, the story that was totally buried, that was actively suppressed by Twitter and Facebook

00:49:04.400 as nonsense because some left winger at Twitter decided it wasn't true before the election.

00:49:11.460 I mean, it's crazy what happened.

00:49:12.820 So they suppressed.

00:49:14.240 They didn't just not report themselves, these news organizations.

00:49:17.380 But Facebook and Twitter actually suppressed the story.

00:49:20.140 Well, it's true.

00:49:20.900 The Department of Justice has been investigating Hunter Biden for reportedly tax fraud or tax

00:49:27.260 issues, as well as money laundering his business dealings with, we're told, Burisma, that Ukrainian

00:49:34.100 company with the Chinese, all of which people were reporting.

00:49:38.500 The New York Post was reporting, you know, conservative media was trying to get out there.

00:49:42.400 We took a hard look at it.

00:49:44.580 And now it turns out to be, you know, it looks like there are some there there.

00:49:47.900 Anyway, Bill Barr announces after the election, guess what?

00:49:51.620 We've been investigating.

00:49:53.020 Well, and Hunter Biden came out and said, oh, they're just looking at my taxes, which sounds

00:49:56.860 like BS, but I'll ask Andy about it anyway.

00:49:59.280 So there's been two things to come of that.

00:50:00.860 Number one, what the hell's going on with Hunter Biden and is he heading to jail?

00:50:04.940 P.S.

00:50:05.340 How does it affect Joe?

00:50:06.480 And number two, why didn't Bill Barr tell us this before we all went to vote on who's

00:50:13.500 going to be our next president?

00:50:14.540 And that's the thing Trump's mad about, that it wasn't disclosed prior to the election.

00:50:17.860 Can we take those in reverse order, Andy?

00:50:19.980 Yeah, sure.

00:50:20.760 Well, you know, I was I was critical of the way Trump talked about the Justice Department

00:50:26.240 before Barr ever came along.

00:50:29.060 And I think that for the reason that it turned out for Barr to be intolerable at a certain

00:50:36.460 point, which is if the president talks about ongoing investigations, then you lose not only

00:50:46.660 the reality of an even playing field that you're supposed to keep with the with Justice Department

00:50:54.320 investigations, but the perception of it as well, which is equally important.

00:50:58.600 So if you want to have integrity with the court and derivatively with the public, it can't

00:51:06.560 you can't have a situation where the where the president is talking publicly about people

00:51:15.220 who in the system, in the four corners of the justice process are presumed innocent and

00:51:21.960 have a variety of rights to to fair proceedings.

00:51:25.160 And it's not about, you know, being a great guy and and, you know, just caring about the

00:51:31.280 integrity of the system as a practical matter.

00:51:34.580 You screw up the case if you talk about it publicly.

00:51:38.640 It turns the court against you.

00:51:40.900 It becomes impossible, not impossible, but it becomes much more difficult to get a to get

00:51:47.160 a jury, to get a fair proceeding.

00:51:48.960 And the government, the Justice Department, is ultimately responsible, not just for winning

00:51:55.040 the cases that deserve to be won in a in a justice sense, but to making sure that the

00:52:00.340 process is just.

00:52:02.060 So this was a problem before Barr came along and it became a high stakes problem, I think,

00:52:09.480 in connection with the election, obviously, once Biden became the candidate.

00:52:15.260 And I think from Barr's perspective, the Justice Department leaned forward about as far as it

00:52:23.420 could without doing the kind of thing that Jim Comey got fired for at the FBI.

00:52:29.980 I mean, I think what Trump basically wanted was for Barr to come out and have a press conference

00:52:34.400 like Comey had and lay out the evidence against Hunter, except not say we're not going to indict

00:52:39.640 him, say at the end, this is why we're going to indict him.

00:52:42.360 He's going to jail and sucks his old man. 0.97

00:52:45.140 Yeah, right.

00:52:45.960 Exactly.

00:52:46.280 In fact, he kept saying, you know, why isn't this one in handcuffs?

00:52:50.540 Why hasn't that one been indicted?

00:52:52.420 What's the Justice Department doing?

00:52:54.440 They're all asleep with Durham because he's not doing anything either.

00:52:59.140 And, you know, in the meantime, that's simply not the way the Justice Department works.

00:53:04.520 First of all, you don't you're not supposed to speak until you're ready to charge someone.

00:53:08.100 And if you never charge someone, then you never speak.

00:53:12.780 Now, there are certain situations like when you're looking at government misconduct, when

00:53:17.380 especially if it's Justice Department misconduct, then you have not not only a right, but probably

00:53:22.780 an obligation to be to be public about that.

00:53:25.980 But when you're just talking about the application of the criminal law to a person, even if the

00:53:30.460 person is the son of the guy the president is running against, you have to treat that like

00:53:37.080 a normal case under normal Justice Department rules.

00:53:40.800 And when I say the Justice Department leaned forward, what I mean is that we all knew when

00:53:48.860 the Post, the New York Post started to run these stories about the infamous laptops, that those

00:53:57.120 laptops were seized by a federal prosecutor in Delaware that was widely reported.

00:54:06.240 They were seized on the basis of a grand jury subpoena.

00:54:09.840 Under Justice Department rules, you can't just issue a grand jury subpoena.

00:54:14.120 There has to be an investigation.

00:54:15.980 So the fact that they even though the media was saying that, oh, this is all Russian disinformation,

00:54:22.280 the fact is the Justice Department sees the evidence under a grand jury subpoena, which

00:54:28.580 makes it quite clear that there's an investigation.

00:54:32.240 Can I just stop you there?

00:54:33.680 So just to take a quick walk down that lane.

00:54:37.340 That's, to me, what made the refusal to report on the Hunter Biden news so egregious.

00:54:44.540 Forget Tony Bobulinski.

00:54:47.100 I think he proved credible and nobody came forward and said, this guy's a nutcase.

00:54:52.180 But forget him.

00:54:54.100 You've got a federal subpoena that was issued to the legally blind computer fixer who had

00:55:02.940 Hunter's laptop, who came forward.

00:55:05.080 I mean, this story is just so bizarre.

00:55:06.120 But that guy came forward and said, OK, I've got it.

00:55:10.160 And he admitted and it was verifiable.

00:55:12.880 The Post got its hands on the subpoena.

00:55:14.960 So did the rest of us.

00:55:16.160 That showed in December of 2019, the feds subpoenaed those laptops.

00:55:22.020 So about one hour's worth of phone calls would have told any reporter the feds have an open

00:55:27.380 investigation on Hunter Biden.

00:55:29.280 And you can bet your bottom dollar that if the last at the name at the end of that sentence

00:55:33.740 were Donald Trump Jr.

00:55:35.800 Or Eric Trump.

00:55:36.840 Oh, boy.

00:55:37.360 The media would have been a hell of a lot more interested in this story than they were.

00:55:41.400 Instead, they spent weeks saying this is a Russian disinformation campaign.

00:55:45.900 There was that letter from all the intelligence officials saying, absolutely not Russian

00:55:50.800 disinformation.

00:55:51.360 It was that was all BS that they had every reason to see the truth.

00:55:57.000 It was staring them in the face and they refused, Andy.

00:56:00.040 Yeah, that that letter was a cynical exercise because there's a sort of a passing

00:56:04.560 clause in it that says, of course, we don't we we don't know any of the underlying facts

00:56:10.120 here.

00:56:10.640 We're just, you know, Washington graybeards who are telling you how the world works.

00:56:14.860 But as far as this goes that we're all pining on, we don't really know anything.

00:56:19.140 And in the meantime, Megan, it's not like this was like on a clean slate.

00:56:25.380 Two of Hunter's business partners, Bevin Cooney and Devin Archer, were convicted in a federal

00:56:33.860 fraud case in the Southern District of New York in 2018 in a case where Hunter wasn't charged,

00:56:40.460 but his name came up through the evidence and throughout the proof because they seem to be

00:56:47.220 trading on his name just like he's, I think, pretty infamously traded on his father's political

00:56:52.980 influence over the years.

00:56:54.720 So you had that.

00:56:56.220 And then, of course, we have the Burisma stuff and all the stuff that came to light at the

00:57:01.780 time of the impeachment brouhaha, which I think the media tried to basically brush away

00:57:09.680 by just saying, you know, Rudy's crazy and he's dealing with shady Russians and shady Ukrainians. 0.99

00:57:20.620 And if that's the context in which he's, you know, scraping around for evidence about Hunter,

00:57:26.480 then we can discredit all of that.

00:57:28.380 And in the meantime, I have to tell you, I, you know, Rudy is, Rudy may have lost a lot

00:57:34.960 off his fastball.

00:57:36.280 I'm, he's, he's dear to me because I would, you know, he hired me in the 1980s.

00:57:42.940 So I have a kind of a different view of it, but whether you like Rudy or you don't like

00:57:48.720 Rudy, if you're trying to get evidence on people who were dealing with shady Ukrainian 1.00

00:57:55.060 oligarchs, this is a late breaking news.

00:57:58.160 I hope everyone's sitting down.

00:58:00.500 You have to deal with Ukrainian oligarchs.

00:58:04.140 You know, if you want to get evidence about terrorists, you deal with terrorists.

00:58:07.560 If you want to get evidence about the mafia, you deal with terrible people.

00:58:11.920 And, you know, I've always said you can take information.

00:58:15.260 We take information.

00:58:17.300 I still think of myself as a we 20 years later, but the Justice Department, you take information

00:58:22.720 from anybody who has relevant information and nobody is off the mark as far as who you

00:58:30.300 can take information from.

00:58:31.460 The question is, what do you do when you get it?

00:58:33.320 How do you corroborate it?

00:58:34.480 Do you run it down?

00:58:35.740 Are you skeptical about it, given what the sources and you make sure it's, you know, good

00:58:40.580 and strong and tight before you use it in the court proceeding.

00:58:44.100 But, you know, there was a lot of information out there that Hunter was up to his neck in bad

00:58:51.380 people and not just with the Ukrainians, the Chinese, this stream of what was it, three

00:58:58.180 and a half million dollars from Moscow.

00:59:00.980 I mean, everywhere you look where this guy's collecting lots of money, there's shady characters

00:59:06.560 involved.

00:59:07.980 And for whatever reason, the media on the one side, and I think this is the whipsaw that

00:59:12.760 Barr was in from the beginning.

00:59:13.980 The media on the one side either won't cover it or, as you say, even worse, suppresses

00:59:20.080 it or preposterously says that it's Russian disinformation.

00:59:24.220 You know, the one telling detail about all that all along was any good investigator who's

00:59:31.620 trying to run down the authenticity of something like the laptops.

00:59:35.200 The first thing you want to know is, does the person who it appears to belong to say it

00:59:43.840 doesn't belong to me?

00:59:44.900 This isn't mine.

00:59:46.140 This isn't my stuff.

00:59:46.820 Exactly.

00:59:48.040 And he never said that.

00:59:49.780 So if I'm the media, that's like an implied admission that it's all his.

00:59:53.380 Totally.

00:59:53.900 It's insane.

00:59:54.740 The first thing they would say.

00:59:56.180 Right.

00:59:56.460 Of course, he would have been out there.

00:59:57.960 They would have put him on camera for that one saying, those aren't mine.

01:00:00.920 I've never seen the blind repair man in my life, nor has he seen me.

01:00:05.620 But I'm and and I deny everything.

01:00:08.820 This is this is a made up campaigning.

01:00:10.600 They never said it was very obvious that they were his.

01:00:13.860 So so but the Ukraine is my question to you.

01:00:16.300 But let me let me make it clear, because as soon as we say Ukraine, Burisma and Chinese 0.97

01:00:20.340 and all that, it's like people are like, huh.

01:00:22.200 So I'd like to keep it very clear.

01:00:23.900 First of all, do we think we're talking about a criminal investigation into Hunter Biden

01:00:27.320 or a civil investigation?

01:00:28.980 Yeah, grand juries only do criminal investigation.

01:00:32.260 Justice Department is in the criminal investigation business.

01:00:34.940 I mean, they have a civil side, but that's not what this is.

01:00:39.200 All right.

01:00:39.420 So we're talking about possible crimes committed by the president elect's son and his name.

01:00:45.380 The president elect Joe Biden, his name is is involved, though he's not directly accused

01:00:50.000 as far as we know of doing anything.

01:00:52.000 So we've talked about the Burisma scandal on the show and elsewhere before.

01:00:57.120 You know, this Hunter Biden was getting 50,000 bucks a month to sit on the board of this

01:01:01.120 gas company and he knew nothing about natural gas.

01:01:04.900 And it was obviously just a payment to the guy to buy favor with the then sitting vice

01:01:10.320 president.

01:01:10.940 And it may have gone beyond that.

01:01:12.720 They're going to look into that in terms of Burisma.

01:01:14.800 But the Chinese piece of this is really interesting, because if Hunter Biden was laying the foundation

01:01:20.960 for some sort of a deal or actually struck one with the Chinese, now you're talking about

01:01:25.320 potential compromising of of the next president.

01:01:31.080 I mean, this this could actually be deeply problematic.

01:01:33.440 And I know you've been covering the the Chinese piece of this.

01:01:37.200 Can you just help explain what that piece of this looks like as far as we know?

01:01:42.700 Yeah, there's there's two different streams because there's two different business ventures

01:01:49.240 that he got involved in.

01:01:50.540 And let me just in an overarching way, overarching way, say you can see why the Justice Department

01:02:01.220 people would be very frustrated dealing with the president because, you know, with the second

01:02:10.000 of the income stream from China, which is the one that Bobulinski, who you mentioned before,

01:02:15.860 provided information about and was a participant in.

01:02:20.480 There's a lot of money that came in, like, you know, about five million dollars.

01:02:26.340 So you would think.

01:02:29.480 Instead of running around saying, why isn't the Justice Department doing doing anything,

01:02:35.620 where is the FBI, who who hasn't who why hasn't somebody been arrested by now?

01:02:41.220 You would think that the question the president would be asking would be.

01:02:45.860 Did you get the five million dollars?

01:02:49.720 You know, I mean, what what other question this is like?

01:02:53.060 What this is about is about payments for influence and whether it happens to also be an indictable

01:03:01.880 crime in a political context is beside the point.

01:03:05.580 The question is, did you guys get the five million dollars or not?

01:03:09.380 And it's just it's it's beyond me why the Trump campaign was unable to just pose that question

01:03:18.320 in a very clear way or at least say you have three countries here, Ukraine, Russia and China.

01:03:25.420 And the only things they seem to have in common are that Joe Biden was the point man for Obama

01:03:32.900 administration, foreign policy.

01:03:35.000 And all of those countries at that time thought it was a good idea to pay a lot of money to Hunter.

01:03:41.700 As a political, you know, what difference does it make whether they get indicted or not?

01:03:46.240 That, you know, seems to be the the the pitch that they couldn't make.

01:03:51.140 But on the Chinese stuff, there is one venture where Hunter goes over to China on Air Force

01:04:03.020 Two with Vice President then Biden and basically strikes a deal with an outfit that's got pretty

01:04:11.820 heavy duty ties to the communist Chinese party and the regime and they basically back.

01:04:22.200 That is, the Chinese do the business venture with all kinds of guarantees and streams of credit

01:04:29.800 and make available to Hunter and his partners a lot of opportunities, very lucrative ones that

01:04:37.780 wouldn't be available to other people similarly situated.

01:04:43.620 And then there's a second stream, which is much more interesting, where they're talking about

01:04:48.320 ultimately a big energy venture.

01:04:53.540 I think it was in Arkansas.

01:04:55.520 And ultimately, this was going to be lots and lots of money, but it was going to be

01:05:01.580 a $10 million advance at the start.

01:05:05.360 That was what Bobolinsky was brought in to kind of because he's got experience in corporate

01:05:12.480 governance and structuring transactions of this kind.

01:05:15.900 He was the one who was brought in to structure it.

01:05:20.940 I don't mean structure in the money laundering sense.

01:05:23.200 I mean structure in the legitimate sense.

01:05:25.040 And at a certain point, he gets very frustrated because Hunter is pushing to be paid a lot of

01:05:34.280 money for this.

01:05:35.320 And I think that there's part of the story is that Jim Biden, who is the vice president,

01:05:40.420 Biden's brother, is also cashing in here.

01:05:44.640 And they're not really doing anything to add value to the venture other than to bring the

01:05:52.340 Biden name to the venture.

01:05:54.460 And ultimately, Hunter-

01:05:55.500 And just to interject, that's the one.

01:05:57.400 So Bobolinsky gave an interview to Tucker, among others, and he said that Jim Biden and

01:06:02.220 he met and Bobolinsky asked him, because you're talking about the Joe Biden name being used

01:06:08.740 and striking this crazy deal with the Chinese, where, you know, eight figures, and that he

01:06:13.940 asked Jim Biden, how are you guys getting away with this?

01:06:16.940 Aren't you concerned?

01:06:18.320 And Bobolinsky claimed that Jim Biden laughed and said, plausible deniability.

01:06:22.320 So, you know, the implication is that they knew what they were doing was shady, that it

01:06:29.020 was kind of gross, and that they were using the Biden name in a way that probably wasn't

01:06:34.980 going to fly with the public, but they wanted to make money.

01:06:38.200 And that's maybe one of the things that's being investigated.

01:06:41.540 We've heard reportedly it includes the Chinese dealing.

01:06:44.140 So keep going.

01:06:44.880 I just wanted to give some color to the Bobolinsky piece there.

01:06:47.680 Yeah, so the guy that, the interesting thing is we find out ultimately, Megan, that this

01:06:54.780 venture, that the Chinese people on the end of the venture that Hunter is dealing with, 0.90

01:07:01.000 there's a FISA warrant on at least one of them, who actually Hunter in the story, the story

01:07:09.100 gets crazier as it goes on, but Hunter, who really isn't a practicing lawyer, ends up representing

01:07:14.880 this guy in connection with the investigation, and his job is to try to find out what the

01:07:19.800 Justice Department is up to.

01:07:22.100 And what we ultimately learn in connection, his name is Ho, and what we ultimately learn

01:07:26.720 in connection with his prosecution, he ends up getting a three-year foreign corrupt practices

01:07:34.160 sentence, and I think got deported.

01:07:37.340 We think he got deported back to Hong Kong.

01:07:39.740 Wait, and this is who?

01:07:40.600 Can you just reiterate, who is that?

01:07:41.940 Who is Ho?

01:07:42.400 His name is Ho, and he is the business partner of the main guy on the second Chinese venture.

01:07:52.560 Both of them have very high ties to the Chinese Communist Party, the military intelligence apparatus,

01:08:01.560 and the reason that they become fabulously rich in this business venture is because basically

01:08:09.940 they're backed by the Chinese government, they run this thing that went from nothing to

01:08:14.480 a kind of a multi-billion dollar top, it was like 220 on the Fortune 500 at one point or

01:08:21.760 something along those lines.

01:08:24.860 So anyway, this guy, the first guy whose name is Chi, he is the one who Hunter negotiates

01:08:35.180 to deal with, and who presents Hunter with this diamond in the middle of their-

01:08:39.720 I love this piece of it.

01:08:40.700 This is the best part.

01:08:41.820 Oh, yeah, it's great.

01:08:43.040 Yeah.

01:08:44.760 And he's in cahoots with this other guy who was prosecuted by the Justice Department, and

01:08:52.720 they asked Hunter to represent this guy.

01:08:55.920 And we find out in the disclosures in connection with his trial that there's a FISA warrant on

01:09:02.140 him.

01:09:02.900 Now, we all learned a lot about FISA warrants during the Mueller, the Russiagate stuff,

01:09:09.740 especially in connection with Carter Page.

01:09:12.540 But a FISA warrant means the government went to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court

01:09:17.340 and had probable cause that this character was an agent of a foreign power, which means

01:09:24.540 he was involved in clandestine activity on behalf of the Chinese government.

01:09:29.220 So that's the guy directed Hunter-

01:09:32.040 Yeah, this is Hunter's pal who Hunter may be representing as a lawyer whose last name

01:09:38.300 is Ho.

01:09:39.980 Yes.

01:09:40.780 And the reason I think that that's so significant is that got disclosed, that piece of it got

01:09:48.000 disclosed in, was it February of 2018, I think.

01:09:54.460 May have been 2019.

01:09:55.760 Off the top of my head, I don't remember.

01:09:57.300 But within two weeks, the other guy disappears and is never heard of again.

01:10:05.860 As soon as they put out the FISA, as soon as the government discloses in court that Ho 0.99

01:10:12.080 is the subject of a FISA warrant, his partner suddenly disappears and is never heard from

01:10:19.300 again.

01:10:20.520 This is Hunter's, the guy who struck the deal with Hunter.

01:10:23.180 And no one has seen or heard from this guy ever since.

01:10:27.500 He's believed to be in custody in China, but nobody really knows.

01:10:32.600 Who's the, is it him, Chi, who we think his name is Chi, the guy who's never seen again?

01:10:37.440 Which one sent Hunter the diamond?

01:10:39.640 The first guy, Chi, the guy who runs the, the guy who ran the whole enterprise.

01:10:45.360 Ho is the guy who gets convicted.

01:10:46.920 And I know that you, can you just, can you just put some, put some meat on that?

01:10:53.080 Because I know I listened to you on your podcast with National Review saying, when you get to

01:10:58.280 the diamond piece of this, that's, that's the point is the prosecutor where you just, you

01:11:02.640 just sit down, you just introduce that piece of evidence.

01:11:05.340 Then you sit down.

01:11:06.720 Well, yeah, because, you know, in every trial, especially when there's a complex trial, the,

01:11:15.340 what the prosecutor's job is, and I guess I could be doing a better job of it now, but

01:11:21.840 the job is to take things that are complicated and try to simplify them, come up with two or

01:11:27.460 three thematic things that the jury can hang their hat on.

01:11:30.480 Because these are going to be lay people.

01:11:31.760 They're not going to be extraordinarily versed in, in high finance and, you know, international

01:11:38.340 intrigue and the like.

01:11:40.000 So you want to give them like a few things that you can hang your hat on.

01:11:44.000 And that's the kind of a detail in a negotiation where, you know, they're, they're talking about

01:11:52.680 doing, as you say, uh, an eight figure deal in connection, uh, with energy down in Arkansas.

01:12:01.960 And there's all kinds of Arcana that, that is involved in all of that.

01:12:07.520 But while they're having the negotiation, um, they have a meeting and the day after the

01:12:14.700 meeting, Hunter is presented with a thank you card that has a diamond, um, which there's

01:12:21.920 some dispute about how much I think Hunter says it's only worth about $20,000.

01:12:27.500 Um, you know, other people have appraised it at, uh, I think $80,000 or something along

01:12:33.060 those lines, but I mean, it's not the, you know, um, at a certain point, somebody asks,

01:12:39.520 uh, Hunter, I think it was, uh, the guy who interviewed him for the New Yorker.

01:12:44.140 Was it Adam on two who used to, used to be at the Washington post?

01:12:47.660 I'm probably getting wrong who wrote it, but there's a long profile of, of Hunter in the

01:12:52.220 New Yorker and they asked him about the diamond and he basically say to him, didn't you think

01:12:58.300 you might've been being bribed there?

01:13:00.160 And he said, why would they bribe me?

01:13:01.940 My father wasn't even in office then, uh, in the meantime, the father is like gearing

01:13:07.620 up to run for president.

01:13:09.080 Um, and I think had already, uh, had already, uh, formed a campaign structure and all that

01:13:17.040 jazz.

01:13:18.120 That's what's so nuts about this.

01:13:19.760 Why would anyone bribe me?

01:13:23.080 Right.

01:13:23.460 What about, I'm just sweet little Hunter.

01:13:25.500 And that's what's so crazy because now, you know, Peter Doocy of Fox News keeps following

01:13:29.780 around Joe Biden saying, what did you know about your son?

01:13:33.060 Did you know he's under investigation and Joe Biden?

01:13:36.020 Okay.

01:13:36.240 So the other night was thanks for the congratulations.

01:13:39.120 Okay.

01:13:39.540 As if the press has some obligation to congratulate him after the, after the electoral college.

01:13:43.880 We don't.

01:13:44.620 Okay.

01:13:44.840 We don't.

01:13:45.460 But number two, all he keeps saying, whether it was at the presidential debate with Trump

01:13:49.560 or Peter Doocy, you know, yelling at him is I'm proud of my son.

01:13:53.280 I'm proud of my, and the media is letting him get away with this.

01:13:57.080 We Hunter Biden shouldn't be within 10 foot pole distance of the Oval Office.

01:14:02.960 He should be nowhere near this administration.

01:14:06.700 He appears to be a corrupt guy who is willing to take money for influence on his dad's name

01:14:13.680 and has done it for a very long time.

01:14:15.260 And it may even have crossed over to the criminal, right?

01:14:18.160 That's what's being investigated.

01:14:19.420 And Joe Biden, you tell me, Andy, he should not be getting away with, I'm proud of my son.

01:14:26.100 That's not going to cut it.

01:14:27.300 Yeah.

01:14:27.980 Well, you know, look, I think it's, it's worse than that.

01:14:30.920 I obviously agree with all of that, but I think the, you know, the hands-off approach

01:14:35.380 that they've taken on this is not going to make it go away.

01:14:41.820 And if this was, if the, we all know if the shoe were on the other foot and these were

01:14:46.760 Republicans, forget about whether they were, you know, Trump, who they have like a special

01:14:51.040 kind of insane hatred for.

01:14:53.940 But let's just say it was a seemingly innocuous kind of, you know, Republican, like, you know,

01:15:00.440 Mitt Romney before he became a dog killer or whatever they wanted to take him as when

01:15:05.140 he ran.

01:15:05.900 But, you know, this thing would be investigated to the ground.

01:15:10.640 In a way, the Justice Department investigates things to the ground, sometimes in some ways,

01:15:15.800 even more aggressively.

01:15:19.000 And as a result, this hasn't been looked at at all.

01:15:23.340 And, you know, I don't want to, I don't know if Joe Biden himself has done anything wrong.

01:15:28.640 I don't know if he's, I mean, obviously I listened to Bobulinski's testimony or not to

01:15:34.180 his interview with Tucker.

01:15:36.180 And he's obviously implicated in a way that's a lot more serious than anything they ever had

01:15:43.220 on Trump.

01:15:43.740 I mean, this guy says that, you know, he not only was supposed to get a 10% slice of

01:15:48.340 of a $10 million proposal, but there's documentary corroboration of it.

01:15:54.900 You know, there's that documentary.

01:15:57.160 He, Joe, Joe Biden.

01:15:59.060 Right.

01:15:59.600 Yeah.

01:16:00.420 And Bobulinski also says that by the time the deal was, they finished structuring the deal,

01:16:06.300 it went from the 10% slice being held for Joe Biden was going to be held by, originally

01:16:11.800 it was going to be Hunter.

01:16:12.980 Then they changed it to Jim.

01:16:14.660 Uh, so they had a whole plan for how this money was going to kind of be held at a site.

01:16:21.420 And we're talking about, you know, for those who do math, like I do math, which, you know,

01:16:25.860 don't overcomplicate it.

01:16:27.020 This was 10% of $10 million.

01:16:28.940 So we can all do that math.

01:16:30.540 Right.

01:16:30.720 Um, so, and, and, and again, Megan, this is like what we, what we mentioned before.

01:16:37.300 This is not something that doesn't have context.

01:16:40.600 There are investigations that are some, one done by the New Yorker, one done by, uh, Politico,

01:16:47.320 you know, not exactly, uh, you know, right wing whack jobs.

01:16:51.000 Right.

01:16:51.220 Um, these guys beginning with Jim Biden and Hunter for sure have been cashing in on Joe's

01:16:59.620 political influence since like the 1980s.

01:17:03.960 Uh, there's a whole stream of this that goes on way back.

01:17:07.460 So it's not like this can happen with no context.

01:17:11.120 And, you know, common sense says, if you're, if you're Joe Biden, you know, if you don't

01:17:18.000 want people cashing in on your political influence, I don't know, maybe after the first decade

01:17:23.960 or two, you tell him to knock it off, but you know, this is, this is behavior that goes

01:17:29.740 right.

01:17:30.480 And instead, you know, here's Hunter hopping on board air force two and off to China to

01:17:36.100 cash in on this deal.

01:17:37.520 And then off to the next place.

01:17:39.900 Let's not forget Joe Biden, not being honest about what he knew and when he knew it already.

01:17:45.160 He's, he's said precious little about it.

01:17:47.140 I'm proud of my son.

01:17:47.900 Um, but in the few times his campaign has been forced to, to deal with, um, what's being

01:17:53.520 alleged, they've, they've muffed it.

01:17:56.080 I mean, they've clearly misled.

01:17:57.680 Remember there was an allegation that he had met with the, he, Joe Biden had met with the

01:18:02.160 number three executive of Burisma, this Ukrainian oil and gas company at the white house, which,

01:18:07.720 you know, would have lent some credence to this whole story, right.

01:18:11.640 That his son and they're doing all these dealings and they're trying to get his influence.

01:18:15.900 And then he was like, well, no, I don't remember it.

01:18:19.040 Well, no, it wasn't on my schedule.

01:18:20.820 I was like, oh, well that, that answers it.

01:18:24.060 Right.

01:18:24.320 And they, once again, was led to get away with it.

01:18:26.760 I'm glad you brought that up because I, when we were talking before about authenticating

01:18:30.840 the laptops, I thought one of the more interesting things was that meeting, they, they found out

01:18:38.540 about the meeting.

01:18:39.260 That is, we all found out about the meeting because of what was on the laptop.

01:18:42.820 And when they went to Biden's campaign and they said, did you have this meeting?

01:18:48.400 The reaction wasn't, what do you mean off that laptop?

01:18:51.720 That's Russian disinformation.

01:18:52.880 That never happens.

01:18:53.700 They said, let me check the calendar.

01:18:55.900 So, you know, you kind of knew that the, you kind of knew that the laptop was, uh, I mean,

01:19:00.880 how many, how many different ways did we need to know it was for real, but along the lines

01:19:05.160 of what you're pursuing, all I was going to say is because the media didn't do its job,

01:19:13.300 this was not delved into before the election and during the campaign, when maybe the Democrats

01:19:19.500 would have looked at it and said, maybe we go a different direction.

01:19:22.060 Now it's, it's ultimately going to be looked into because this is, it'll be slower than

01:19:28.580 it would be if it were a Republican, but it's going to happen and it'll happen while he's

01:19:32.540 in the white house, which is, it's a disaster for him.

01:19:35.700 It's a disaster for the country.

01:19:37.520 Maybe it won't be that much of a disaster.

01:19:39.160 Maybe he's, uh, maybe he's more insulated from it than, uh, than what appears to me at

01:19:44.920 least at the moment.

01:19:45.600 But we'll see, but it would be much better if the media did its job and this was vetted

01:19:50.420 before we have people in office.

01:19:53.240 Okay.

01:19:53.660 A couple of points.

01:19:54.340 Number one, uh, just to button up that it wasn't on my calendar.

01:19:58.000 You know, I've heard you say this.

01:19:59.160 I've said this too.

01:20:00.180 That would be exactly the kind of meeting you wouldn't put on your calendar.

01:20:02.740 So that is not dispositive and they know it.

01:20:05.440 They know it.

01:20:06.320 Um, and number two, it was weird that Mitt Romney put his dog on the top of the car for

01:20:11.140 the family road trips.

01:20:12.260 I'm just going to, I like, I'm just going to start that.

01:20:15.380 I'm always stuck in my craw.

01:20:17.000 He said the dog liked it.

01:20:18.900 Challenge.

01:20:19.860 Challenge.

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01:22:04.620 Now, before we get back to Andy, I want to bring to you another edition of the feature we call

01:22:08.640 you can't say that or think that or do that.

01:22:12.180 Oh, wait, this is America.

01:22:13.400 This time, if you happen to be a little boy talking to Santa, you can't say you want a

01:22:18.860 Nerf gun.

01:22:19.520 Got it.

01:22:19.960 Did you see this?

01:22:20.620 This actually happened.

01:22:21.780 A four year old boy, four in Illinois was making a socially distanced visit.

01:22:27.720 to Santa at the mall.

01:22:29.400 It's a little hard to hear him.

01:22:30.740 So listen up.

01:22:31.760 And here's what happened.

01:22:32.680 What do you want for Christmas?

01:22:35.520 Take a new stuff, please.

01:22:41.760 I don't know.

01:22:46.180 What?

01:22:49.960 No, no, no guns.

01:22:52.340 Nerf gun.

01:22:53.360 No, not even a Nerf gun.

01:22:56.640 Nope.

01:22:57.720 If you, if your dad wants to get it for you, that's fine, but I can't bring it to you.

01:23:01.460 What else would you want?

01:23:03.320 Lots of other toys.

01:23:04.540 There's Legos.

01:23:05.800 There's bicycles.

01:23:07.320 There's cars and trucks.

01:23:09.800 What do you think?

01:23:14.200 What do you think?

01:23:17.000 It's okay, my dad.

01:23:19.780 Don't cry.

01:23:20.260 What a jerk.

01:23:37.140 Can you believe?

01:23:38.380 Could you?

01:23:38.680 What would you do if mall Santa did that to your kid?

01:23:41.960 Uh, so apparently gun control Santa will not drop a Nerf gun down the chimney, but he suggests

01:23:47.920 that the boy's father can buy it for him instead.

01:23:50.620 Enter the hero of the story who, believe it or not, is Steven Crowder.

01:23:54.980 Steven Crowder with of Louder with Crowder, friend of ours, uh, put on his Santa suit, did

01:23:59.940 a virtual Zoom call with the little boy and his parents.

01:24:03.300 Apparently his dad is a cop.

01:24:04.760 And, you know, I'm sure the family did not appreciate the demonization of people who use

01:24:09.140 a gun.

01:24:09.760 Um, and Crowder did a hilarious exchange with the boy.

01:24:13.560 The parents loved it.

01:24:14.840 The kid did great.

01:24:15.880 Here's a little bit of that.

01:24:16.720 I know you've been very good this year.

01:24:18.580 Now, let me ask you this, uh, young Michael.

01:24:20.800 What is it?

01:24:21.260 I know that, uh, the helper, again, no association there.

01:24:24.940 We're looking through HR and I'll, uh, get back to your parents about this.

01:24:29.480 What was it that you asked that unqualified helper for, uh, at the mall?

01:24:37.180 Nerf guns.

01:24:38.540 A Nerf gun!

01:24:39.960 Ho, ho, ho, ho! 1.00

01:24:41.240 Well, that sounds like a wonderful gift, a wonderful toy.

01:24:45.240 And that man told you no?

01:24:50.000 Oh, well, let me tell you, that's not the, that's not the real Santa.

01:24:54.120 He's what your parents will teach you about when you get older.

01:24:57.060 He's what we call a communist.

01:24:59.480 And in even better news, the mall, realizing that it was about to be completely publicly

01:25:04.760 shamed and ostracized, had another Santa wind up going to the boy's home and personally

01:25:09.840 deliver him a Nerf gun.

01:25:11.660 Do you, do you let your kids use Nerf guns? 0.98

01:25:13.300 I do.

01:25:13.640 My kids have all got the Nerf guns.

01:25:15.300 They run around, they, they, they shoot each other.

01:25:17.740 They shoot through little targets.

01:25:19.140 I mean, it's like people, Nerf guns do not cause violence later in life.

01:25:23.360 And we got bigger problems than Nerf guns and which kids have used from the beginning of

01:25:27.260 time or its predecessor.

01:25:28.940 Remember that one kid who got expelled from school for chewing his Pop-Tart into the shape

01:25:32.100 of a gun?

01:25:32.780 We've lost our minds.

01:25:34.560 Anyway, Merry Christmas.

01:25:36.360 And remember kids, if you ask the wrong mall Santa for a toy, the far left thinks is bad for

01:25:40.780 you, Santa might make you cry so you can't say that.

01:25:43.520 Oh, wait, this is America.

01:25:45.440 Back to Andy.

01:25:50.860 You say this will be looked into, but how?

01:25:53.920 Because right now, of course, we started this with who is investigating it, the Department

01:26:00.420 of Justice and Trump's anger that Bill Barr did not disclose that prior to the election.

01:26:04.000 But we're about to have a new president come in who's going to appoint a new attorney general,

01:26:09.680 one more favorable to Joe Biden, we think.

01:26:12.320 Um, and Chris Coons, a Democratic senator from Delaware, was asked about this recently.

01:26:18.040 And he said, oh, we don't need a special counsel.

01:26:20.400 That was the question.

01:26:21.080 You know, given Democratic AG, we assume, um, under a Biden administration, should we

01:26:25.760 be getting a special counsel here?

01:26:27.200 Because, you know, this is chance Biden could put his thumb on the scale or somebody loyal

01:26:30.920 to Biden at the top of the DOJ could put his thumb on the scale.

01:26:34.740 And he said, no, no, we don't, we don't need that because we're not, Biden's not going

01:26:38.660 to use the attorney general's office as his own personal counsel, the way Trump did.

01:26:44.360 So you can, you can trust the DOJ.

01:26:46.480 What's, what do you think?

01:26:48.140 Well, I would like to be more sympathetic to Coons because I hate the institution of special 1.00

01:26:54.180 counsel, uh, even though I grudgingly acknowledge that there are certain situations and this certainly

01:27:01.120 is the classic one, uh, where you would resort to one.

01:27:04.920 My own view of it for what it's worth is that.

01:27:08.660 What makes a special counsel pernicious is you're bringing somebody in from the outside

01:27:14.220 who's got one set of targets, uh, to pursue and every other investigation in the justice

01:27:22.520 department, uh, competes with every other investigation for resources.

01:27:28.560 And, uh, you know, you, you work on it given what the relative importance of it is and the,

01:27:34.840 and the chance of making the case.

01:27:37.120 And with the normal prosecutor's office, if you can't make the case in a reasonable amount

01:27:41.780 of time, you close it and you move on to the next thing, which doesn't appear to happen

01:27:46.520 with special counsels.

01:27:48.280 What happens with special counsels is they investigate things to the ground that wouldn't be worth the

01:27:54.500 normal prosecutor's time very often.

01:27:56.860 And if they don't find a crime, they create one in the course of the investigation.

01:28:01.380 So people end up taking all kinds of process counts and, uh, you know, false statements and

01:28:06.380 obstruction and that sort of stuff.

01:28:08.420 So I, I think it's a pernicious institution.

01:28:12.280 And I also think that if the justice department's reputation hadn't taken the hits that it's

01:28:18.580 taken over the last, um, dozen plus years, probably, I guess I'd go back to, um, there

01:28:27.440 was a time I think where you could say, you know, here is X prosecutor who is, uh, well

01:28:36.200 known to people on both sides of the political aisle, across the ideological spectrum, uh,

01:28:43.600 somebody who's, uh, scrupulous, somebody who's competent, uh, and who will do the right thing

01:28:49.900 and investigate cases the way they ought to be investigated and we'll find out what happened.

01:28:55.980 Uh, and you would trust that.

01:28:57.480 I, I, and I feel that way because I worked in the Southern district of New York for almost

01:29:03.440 20 years where we investigated Republicans during Republican administrations, we investigated

01:29:08.760 Democrats during democratic administrations, uh, with little or no interference from Washington.

01:29:15.460 So, you know, I know it can be done.

01:29:18.060 And if you could identify somebody who I think Megan, that much more important than the structure

01:29:24.020 of the independent council, which is not always cracked up to be in any event, um, much more

01:29:30.960 important is the reputation of the individual prosecutor for ethics and scrupulousness and

01:29:38.440 competence.

01:29:39.040 So I think if the justice department had a Michael Mukasey or a Merrick Garland to, to take an

01:29:46.960 example from, uh, both political sides who may have their political points of view, but

01:29:53.180 are very ethical lawyers and we're very, very strong professional ethical prosecutors.

01:29:59.480 The public could take comfort that the investigation would be done in a competent way.

01:30:05.820 You'd have to worry about whether the political appointees in a Biden justice department were

01:30:14.080 trying to put pressure on the prosecutor, but you could, you know, that's the kind of thing

01:30:17.520 that Congress can keep an eye on, particularly the Senate judiciary committee.

01:30:22.040 And you could have a, you could have a decent amount of faith that the investigation would

01:30:26.700 be done the right way.

01:30:29.240 I'm just not sure the, I'm not sure we'd have a reputation for that anymore.

01:30:34.040 Well, I have to say, I'm glad to hear you point out that it's to say it's not just over

01:30:39.540 the last four years, because Bill Barr has certainly been in the headlines enough as an allegedly,

01:30:44.120 you know, partisan AG, uh, pushing the Trump talking points or agenda.

01:30:49.540 And people forget Eric Holder was probably the most partisan AG we've seen in decades.

01:30:57.260 I mean, he, he came out and owned it and said, I am an activist attorney general.

01:31:03.260 I see that as my job, but he was pushing Obama's policies.

01:31:08.040 So no one, you know, who writes up the articles seemed to care.

01:31:13.100 Yeah, that's exactly right.

01:31:14.100 And in fact, you know, part of the reason that Obama and Biden as well have pushed back

01:31:20.520 publicly against all of these, uh, the people on the hard democratic left, I used to think

01:31:27.040 of Obama as the hard democratic left.

01:31:28.880 Now he's a moderate.

01:31:29.760 So who do?

01:31:30.440 Totally.

01:31:30.940 Exactly right.

01:31:31.780 But, but, but all these guys who say defund the police, we want to defund the police.

01:31:37.100 And Obama's there saying, what are you crazy saying?

01:31:40.180 Defund the police.

01:31:41.280 You know, that's just killing us.

01:31:42.760 And in the meantime, the Obama people, they didn't want to defund the police.

01:31:48.740 In fact, they wanted to increase the funds for the police.

01:31:52.000 They wanted to remake the police.

01:31:55.200 And that was Eric Holder's job.

01:31:57.780 And he was not at all abashed about it.

01:32:01.620 Um, what they would do is they would slip stream behind every one of these big racial 1.00

01:32:06.040 incidents, whether it was Trayvon Martin or, uh, you know, what happened in Missouri or,

01:32:12.120 you know, what have you.

01:32:14.380 Um, and of course they would never be able to make a federal civil rights prosecution

01:32:21.620 because there was no evidence that would support that.

01:32:26.280 But what they would do is slip streaming behind these incidents.

01:32:31.340 They would open up under a 1994 law that Clinton signed off on.

01:32:35.400 This is the one that the, um, the one that Biden used to call the Biden crime law, but

01:32:39.480 no one wants to be associated with it anymore because a lot of people went to jail for a

01:32:43.280 long time over.

01:32:43.900 But there's a provision in that, that allowed the, that allows the attorney general to file

01:32:51.600 a civil lawsuit for pattern or practice of, uh, behavior by the, on the part of a municipality

01:33:01.000 or one of its agencies that deprives people of their civil rights.

01:33:05.920 So what they did was they would go in and they would start these pattern practice investigations

01:33:11.040 and nobody can litigate, no little municipality, no, even big city can litigate with the justice

01:33:18.260 department.

01:33:18.780 They got a $30 billion budget and they just keep throwing stuff at you.

01:33:22.020 So what would happen is they would sign off on consent decrees and what you would do in

01:33:28.960 the consent decree was agree to adopt Obama modeled policing.

01:33:34.520 And you would do it under the auspices of a federal monitor or a federal court, but they,

01:33:39.940 they weren't trying to defund the police was not the agenda.

01:33:43.820 It was to change the policing strategy that was put in place in the 1990s.

01:33:49.640 You know, all the broken windows and Comstat and the Intel approach to policing and change

01:33:56.480 it into Obama style, as they call it community policing, which is a very different kind of

01:34:03.220 policing.

01:34:04.780 And that was much better than defunding the police.

01:34:07.400 And Eric Holder was, uh, proudly in, from his perspective, uh, the person who piloted that

01:34:15.600 whole thing.

01:34:16.540 And that, that's one big example of what they did, but they politicized not only the law

01:34:23.100 enforcement, the intelligence apparatus.

01:34:25.380 We had 50 intelligence professionals toward the end of the Obama administration complaining

01:34:31.980 that their reporting was being politicized.

01:34:35.460 And, and, you know, the reports were being edited in order to support Obama administration

01:34:41.920 narratives.

01:34:42.420 Like, you know, we're having great success against jihadists, except I think you weren't

01:34:46.980 allowed to call them jihadists, but those people, we were having real success against

01:34:50.600 them.

01:34:52.220 Religious scholars, according to the New York times.

01:34:54.680 Yes, that's right.

01:34:55.480 That's right.

01:34:56.020 Right.

01:34:56.560 So, you know, the, the idea that, that bill Barr, I think Barr's legacy ultimately, when,

01:35:02.160 when we get past Trump and people get more rational again, I think Barr's legacy is going to be

01:35:08.100 that he tried to depoliticize the justice department.

01:35:12.440 And it bothers me so much when people snicker, when I say that, but, you know, if you notice

01:35:19.740 Jim Comey, not indicted, Andy McCain, not indicted.

01:35:26.460 One indictment at a Russiagate, no matter how much Trump screamed about it, who, which is

01:35:32.600 like a classic case that anyone would indict, a lawyer for the FBI who manipulates a document

01:35:37.780 to get a, to get a FISA warrant, right?

01:35:40.020 Who wouldn't bring that case?

01:35:41.460 That's the only case that gets brought.

01:35:43.560 And what Barr said again and again and again was even though he thought that was an outrageous

01:35:49.840 abuse of power, um, unless you can show meat and potatoes crimes that are supported by strong

01:36:00.500 evidence, the justice department is not going to charge anyone because number one, there's

01:36:05.940 a difference between abuse of power and crime.

01:36:08.260 They're not always the same.

01:36:09.820 And number two, if we're going to make this thing work for any, you know, future length

01:36:17.680 of time, you have to get the politics out of the justice department and the justice department

01:36:22.340 out of the politics.

01:36:23.660 And the worst thing that has happened, some of this was not the FBI's fault, but Hillary

01:36:27.340 Clinton investigation, they mishandled it, but it fell in their lap.

01:36:31.420 They had to do, that was a crit that get referred to them as a criminal investigation was

01:36:36.320 unavoidable, um, but they brought the Russia thing on themselves. 0.67

01:36:40.160 I mean, that, that thing had no real evidence to support it, uh, and they not only ran with

01:36:46.000 it for a long time.

01:36:47.140 Yep.

01:36:48.000 Yep.

01:36:48.740 So I think a lot of what Barr's tried to do much to the president's frustration, uh, is

01:36:55.020 get the politics out of the justice department and make sure that stuff didn't get politicized

01:36:59.200 like the Hunter Biden investigation.

01:37:01.640 And, you know, hopefully that'll be his legacy.

01:37:04.600 I want to make one other point about Holder.

01:37:05.940 Then I, then I want to ask you a quick question about, um, Trump and the election, but, uh,

01:37:10.360 we had Shelby and Eli Steele on the program not long ago, and they just did a documentary

01:37:15.020 called what killed Michael Brown in Ferguson.

01:37:17.580 And they took a look at not only the fact that even Holder's DOJ could not conclude that

01:37:23.220 that officer did anything wrong.

01:37:25.540 They concluded based on all the eyewitness testimony that, uh, he was a hundred percent justified.

01:37:29.920 They couldn't make a case against him.

01:37:31.580 Everyone behind closed doors, at least would tell the police Michael Brown was charging the

01:37:35.300 cop at the time he shot him.

01:37:36.840 And the contrary to the media narrative, which was hands up, don't shoot, which we now know

01:37:40.760 was a lie.

01:37:41.620 And by the way, at the time it was pretty obvious it was a lie too.

01:37:44.080 And notwithstanding what you saw on CNN with Sonny Hostin and Sally Cohn with their hands

01:37:48.840 up and somebody holding a sign saying hands up, don't shoot was all a lie.

01:37:52.600 And they, whatever.

01:37:53.480 Okay.

01:37:53.660 So I digress.

01:37:54.600 But he was pointing out that Eric Holder, you know, and Democrats are quick to say, oh,

01:37:59.420 but in Ferguson, in Ferguson, he also condemned the Ferguson police department as racist.

01:38:04.020 He also concluded that.

01:38:05.100 But if you go back and look at this, Shelby, I asked Shelby about this.

01:38:08.400 I said, you know, he, he said, for example, I know they're racist because number one, I've

01:38:13.260 seen some bad emails and, you know, no organization is perfect.

01:38:16.620 It's not great to see those kinds of, you know, bad jokes and so on.

01:38:19.840 But it doesn't necessarily mean the department itself is racist.

01:38:22.520 Um, he said, well, the tickets, the, the traffic tickets in Ferguson, which, you know, the city

01:38:28.840 of Ferguson, he said is I think 65% black, but 80% of the people who got the traffic tickets

01:38:34.860 are black.

01:38:35.380 And therefore that shows systemic racism in the police department.

01:38:39.000 And Shelby was pointing out, if you look at the greater Ferguson area, because not only

01:38:44.940 the proper citizen, the citizens of Ferguson proper drive through Ferguson, but like the greater

01:38:50.380 area is over 90% black, right?

01:38:52.940 So like Eric Holder didn't want to see that.

01:38:55.160 What he wanted to see was systemic racism and to come up with a reason to basically take

01:39:00.260 control of policing.

01:39:01.320 As you point out, he tried to do time and time again, he called himself President Obama's

01:39:06.140 wingman.

01:39:06.760 So I'm, I'm so tired of Democrats lecturing us about how Trump has, you know, for the first

01:39:13.040 time made the DOJ, this partisan organization, they just weren't paying attention or they didn't

01:39:18.020 care during the Obama administration because those of us covering it, especially as a recovering

01:39:23.060 lawyer, I thought it was just egregious what Holder was doing.

01:39:25.920 It was egregious.

01:39:27.260 So if you don't like what Bill Barr is doing, you take a listen to what Andy's saying about

01:39:30.840 what actually happened while he was at the helm.

01:39:32.660 And even under the least generous interpretation of Bill Barr, um, you can't get away with that

01:39:37.880 without acknowledging the reality of the Obama years.

01:39:40.940 All right.

01:39:41.140 I'm stealing the last word on that because I, I know we're short on time and I have to ask

01:39:44.640 you, you've been very, very careful looking at the lawsuits, looking at, um, the actual

01:39:49.840 pleadings, watching what Giuliani, as you point out, your old boss and others have been saying

01:39:53.920 in court and now it's done.

01:39:57.820 It's, it's over.

01:39:59.020 The legal challenges are done.

01:40:00.420 There's a few sort of like embers on a fire that are still there, but there's no, there's

01:40:05.200 no chance of undoing the vote.

01:40:07.840 That's my take.

01:40:09.060 Um, A, do you agree with that?

01:40:10.360 And B, can you just tell us, cause I thought you're right up of what happened when Trump's

01:40:16.300 lawyers finally got into the Wisconsin court, the Supreme court tossed his last case there

01:40:22.200 in a four to three decision.

01:40:23.460 And you took a hard look at it and said, what happened there was really kind of stunning.

01:40:28.000 And I just want people who love president Trump and think, you know, if you'd only been given

01:40:31.340 a chance in court after court, he could have made this case to hear from you what happened.

01:40:35.780 Yeah.

01:40:36.440 And, and look, I supported president Trump.

01:40:39.460 So yeah, you know, you're not rooting against him.

01:40:41.920 I wanted, right.

01:40:43.560 But you know, the fact is they've run around, they've lost now, you know, look when the New

01:40:48.960 York Times says they're, they're like one in 50 or one in 49, they're counting a bunch

01:40:53.800 of stuff.

01:40:54.220 Like they're counting every little motion that got made that, that got ruled against them

01:40:57.920 as if it were a separate case, but they haven't done well.

01:41:00.660 I mean, they've, they've been every time they, every place they've been able to plant

01:41:06.700 and try to make a big case, they've failed.

01:41:10.540 And I think it's very interesting that when leading up to this case that you're just asking

01:41:18.240 me about in Michigan, they, with great fanfare, talking about fraud, fraud, fraud, filed a

01:41:23.980 federal lawsuit.

01:41:24.780 Uh, and after a week, the federal judge threatened to throw the lawsuit out because they didn't

01:41:31.380 prosecute it.

01:41:32.120 They never even served the secretary of state.

01:41:35.000 And then they just dismissed it without taking any further action on it.

01:41:38.480 When they got into court, federal court in Pennsylvania, fraud, fraud, fraud.

01:41:44.680 Uh, and then when the judge scheduled a hearing, they dismissed the fraud counts and told the judge

01:41:48.780 the case wasn't about fraud.

01:41:50.020 Um, and ultimately lost that one.

01:41:53.740 What happens in Wisconsin is after the president, especially the night before the Supreme court

01:42:01.160 had dinged them on the Texas case, which was a preposterous case.

01:42:06.140 Yeah.

01:42:07.040 And Mary, the president and, uh, yeah, but the president and a lot of his supporters were out

01:42:12.420 there saying, we just never get our way, our day in court.

01:42:15.560 Uh, they keep us out.

01:42:17.460 They have all these little technicalities like standing.

01:42:20.700 They won't let us present our case.

01:42:22.480 So they go into Wisconsin in front of a Trump appointed judge and the Wisconsin state officials

01:42:32.780 all say, standing, standing, standing.

01:42:35.040 You shouldn't hear this case.

01:42:36.020 And he's like, no, I'm going to hear it.

01:42:38.900 Nope.

01:42:39.300 Don't want to hear about standing.

01:42:40.580 Nope.

01:42:41.420 Not, not, uh, stopping them.

01:42:43.220 Um, we're scheduling a hearing, you know, fraud, irregularity, um, impropriety, what you

01:42:51.800 got, um, call your witnesses, great.

01:42:55.420 Um, and they show up the day of the hearing and they said, nah, you know, I don't think

01:43:00.740 we need a hearing.

01:43:02.060 Um, and it turned out that they stipulated with the government of Wisconsin about what

01:43:09.240 the underlying facts were, and they just wanted to argue basically the legality of three administrative

01:43:14.780 election procedures.

01:43:18.200 Um, I know I'm not trying to belittle, but that's the importance of it.

01:43:21.620 But when you're telling everyone fraud, fraud, fraud rig, the biggest theft in history, what

01:43:27.320 people need to know, you know, we lapse into, or at least I do, um, you, you've recovered

01:43:33.120 more than I have, but you know, we say things like stipulation and nobody knows what that

01:43:37.580 means, but stipulation is when lawyers in a case agree that something is a fact or that

01:43:46.100 a witness would testify to X so that, because it's not a disputed issue and no one wants to

01:43:52.140 waste time bringing witnesses in and presenting a bunch of evidence on it because it's not worth

01:43:56.260 the time.

01:43:57.600 Um, so you might get a little stipulation in a, in a trial, like in a drug case, you might

01:44:03.860 get a stipulation that says a, uh, an expert would come in and say the substance is heroin,

01:44:08.820 but you're still going to have a full blown trial on everything else, like identification

01:44:12.700 and conspiracy and all the other jazz, right?

01:44:15.640 So where you don't have stipulated facts is when one side is saying, this is the biggest

01:44:22.820 fraud in the history of fraud.

01:44:24.860 And the other side is saying fraud didn't happen.

01:44:28.080 You know, that's, that's the case that goes to trial with witnesses and evidence.

01:44:32.920 It's not stipulated facts.

01:44:34.740 They came in on the morning of the trial basically, and said, we don't need a trial.

01:44:41.260 We're just going to argue the law.

01:44:42.800 We stipulated to the fact because, and the facts of course they stipulate are not fraud.

01:44:47.800 Right.

01:44:48.880 So it seems to me that every place they've gone where a judge said, all right, big guy,

01:44:54.860 have at it, show us your stuff.

01:44:57.780 They've told it.

01:44:59.160 So it's as if, if I were more cynical, Megan, um, I might even say they'd rather have the

01:45:05.500 narrative than their day in court, but that's just me.

01:45:10.260 No cracking.

01:45:11.500 There was no cracking when it was all said and done.

01:45:14.380 And people do need to know that because I've been very open-minded to watching the cases

01:45:18.680 and seeing how they play out.

01:45:19.840 But, um, I have not seen the evidence at all.

01:45:23.900 I realized there've been allegations and there's been anecdotal thing, things here and there.

01:45:28.140 And I get all that, but when given the chance to actually present their evidence in court,

01:45:33.340 they haven't done it.

01:45:35.000 They haven't even tried in court after court.

01:45:38.100 And you do have to contrast what they did in court versus what they've been doing in the

01:45:42.080 media and via Twitter, Andy McCarthy, one of the few honest brokers left out there.

01:45:49.000 And I'm so grateful you're there.

01:45:51.360 Thank you so much for your expertise.

01:45:53.420 Oh, Megan.

01:45:53.780 Thank you so much.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - December 16, 2020

Hunter, Joe and (Dr.) Jill Biden, with Salena Zito and Andy McCarthy ｜ Ep. 38

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