The Megyn Kelly Show - Hunter's Buddy Testifies, Left's Asian Discrimination, and Non-Woke Sports, with Josh Holmes, Jonathan Isaac, and Kenny Xu

00:00:00.000 When I found out my friend got a great deal

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00:00:03.760 I started wondering,

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00:00:11.260 Are those from Winners?

00:00:12.780 Ooh, or those beautiful gold earrings.

00:00:15.260 Did she pay full price?

00:00:16.600 Or that leather tote?

00:00:17.600 Or that cashmere sweater?

00:00:18.500 Or those knee-high boots?

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00:00:30.680 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:32.520 Your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:41.980 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:00:43.620 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Monday, I guess, right?

00:00:47.520 I don't know.

00:00:47.900 Happy Monday.

00:00:48.840 Sounds like a contradiction in terms,

00:00:50.400 but we're going to make it happy

00:00:51.480 because we've got a packed show for you today.

00:00:54.120 Later, I will be joined by NBA star Jonathan Isaac,

00:00:57.720 who is launching a non-woke sports apparel company.

00:01:02.880 Haven't you won one of these?

00:01:03.840 When you go, it's like Nike as far as the eye can see

00:01:07.360 in all these sports stores,

00:01:08.980 or you're signing your kid up for team sports,

00:01:11.340 and they've already cut a deal with Nike

00:01:13.020 where you have to buy the Nike stuff.

00:01:14.680 Wouldn't it be nice to have a non-woke sports apparel alternative

00:01:17.980 to these giants who are backing people like Colin Kaepernick

00:01:21.640 and Megan Rapinoe?

00:01:23.320 Well, Jonathan Isaac,

00:01:24.980 the one who refused to take a knee during the national anthem,

00:01:29.300 the one who stood tall for our country

00:01:31.080 during the midst of everything post-George Floyd,

00:01:34.480 has just launched one.

00:01:35.660 So we're excited to talk to him.

00:01:36.900 Plus, one of the board members who filed those lawsuits

00:01:39.680 that led to the monumental affirmative action case

00:01:43.040 that was just before the U.S. Supreme Court

00:01:44.740 is going to be here to talk about it.

00:01:47.100 We'll talk to him about all the claims

00:01:49.100 that really Asians are just white adjacent

00:01:51.860 and should stop complaining

00:01:52.920 about any discrimination against them, okay?

00:01:55.760 But we begin today with President Joe Biden

00:01:59.360 and his son Hunter.

00:02:01.940 Hunter's former best friend

00:02:03.460 and co-Burisma board member Devin Archer

00:02:06.600 is testifying right now behind closed doors.

00:02:10.220 It's happening.

00:02:11.020 There was speculation about whether he'd do it.

00:02:12.500 He'd canceled a few times.

00:02:13.820 He's there.

00:02:14.500 It's underway two hours into it, as I understand.

00:02:17.260 Behind closed doors, as I said,

00:02:18.540 it's not on cam, but it's going to be transcribed.

00:02:21.480 As the Bidens, in other news,

00:02:24.260 finally acknowledge that they do have a seventh grandchild

00:02:26.600 when in a Friday night news dump.

00:02:30.120 We'll get into all of it.

00:02:31.160 Joining me now to discuss,

00:02:32.500 Josh Holmes, co-host of the Ruthless podcast

00:02:35.680 and founding partner and president of Cavalry.

00:02:39.760 Josh, great to have you.

00:02:40.920 So much to discuss.

00:02:42.820 It's exciting to see you.

00:02:44.280 This guy showed up, right?

00:02:45.540 Because it was like a big question mark

00:02:46.620 about whether Devin Archer was going to have the stones

00:02:48.380 to actually show up before Congress

00:02:50.260 and talk about the number of times.

00:02:52.480 This is what Miranda Devine is reporting.

00:02:54.880 He's expected to talk about the number of times

00:02:56.420 Joe Biden personally got on the phone

00:02:58.120 with the Hunter business contacts.

00:03:00.620 And we think he's going to say something effective

00:03:02.500 to seal the deal in all these foreign business dealings

00:03:04.840 that Joe Biden denies

00:03:06.100 he ever even discussed with Hunter,

00:03:08.240 never mind participated in himself.

00:03:10.360 So what do you make of it?

00:03:11.780 Yeah.

00:03:11.940 I mean, this is where the knot gets tied, right?

00:03:14.160 I mean, you'll recall where we started

00:03:15.720 with all of this during the campaign.

00:03:17.580 Joe Biden was asked on a number of occasions

00:03:20.280 what his interaction was with Hunter

00:03:22.440 and his business dealings,

00:03:23.560 knowing that you had the Burisma Ukraine situation.

00:03:26.580 At that point, it was alleged

00:03:28.100 that there was a Chinese money component to all that.

00:03:31.580 We've since come to find out that that was also true.

00:03:34.180 And he said,

00:03:35.100 no, I've never even discussed any of this with my son.

00:03:39.240 Well, that lasted, I guess, about a year and a half.

00:03:42.560 And the White House now is in a situation

00:03:44.520 where they're saying,

00:03:45.500 well, he wasn't in business with him, right?

00:03:48.460 So they've now are not repeating the line

00:03:50.240 that he never discussed anything with him.

00:03:51.660 Can I just say, Josh, just to interrupt,

00:03:53.880 so annoying because Green Jean-Pierre,

00:03:55.640 before she tells us that lie,

00:03:57.480 says, I haven't changed my story.

00:03:59.460 This is what I've said all along.

00:04:00.700 And then she completely changes her story.

00:04:03.280 It is.

00:04:03.720 I mean, it just insults your intelligence.

00:04:05.520 But now, the wasn't in business piece of it

00:04:09.640 is going to get a little bit trickier

00:04:11.300 if you have Devin Archer in there today

00:04:12.940 saying that not only was the then vice president,

00:04:16.480 now president,

00:04:17.740 in part of these business discussions,

00:04:20.840 but he may have been a central part to some of them,

00:04:23.840 at least in terms of getting the deal done.

00:04:26.500 If that is the case,

00:04:28.380 I don't think that anybody can ignore this.

00:04:30.180 I mean, the mainstream media has done a terrific job

00:04:32.200 of ignoring a burning hot scandal

00:04:34.480 for a long period of time here.

00:04:36.040 But you're beginning to see people

00:04:38.200 start to pay attention to this.

00:04:39.900 If this guy does what it's purported him to do today,

00:04:44.140 you can't ignore it.

00:04:45.220 I mean, this is literally,

00:04:47.000 that's why you have impeachment on the books, right?

00:04:49.060 If you've got a guy

00:04:49.960 who's acting as a central component

00:04:52.800 to his son's business dealings,

00:04:55.600 which may not have the American interest at heart,

00:04:58.060 at the same time,

00:04:58.840 he's serving as vice president of the United States.

00:05:01.180 You know, I mean, look, Megan,

00:05:03.180 what was it, two months ago,

00:05:04.540 he had Hunter at a state dinner

00:05:06.100 with the president of India.

00:05:08.200 I mean, it hasn't stopped, right?

00:05:10.100 I mean, this is,

00:05:10.860 he's still kind of a central part of all of this.

00:05:13.260 And if it's all a lie,

00:05:15.040 boy, this gets ugly.

00:05:16.940 Mm-hmm.

00:05:17.780 Right, because this,

00:05:18.760 we're talking about,

00:05:19.640 you know, the partnership these guys had

00:05:21.420 while Joe Biden, in part,

00:05:23.620 was the sitting vice president of the United States.

00:05:26.060 And the allegation, we believe,

00:05:27.960 will be that Joe Biden was sealing the deal.

00:05:30.400 For Hunter Biden to get on the take

00:05:32.200 from Romania, from Ukraine,

00:05:34.080 from the Chinese,

00:05:35.300 whenever it was needed,

00:05:36.220 basically to prove to these rich foreign countries,

00:05:40.500 I know all about the relationship,

00:05:43.100 I'm blessing it,

00:05:44.680 and I'm here.

00:05:46.120 Like, there's no one's paying Hunter Biden

00:05:47.800 for anything other than access to Joe.

00:05:51.140 Yeah, I mean, that's the central part

00:05:53.140 of why this is all kind of gets the ball rolling.

00:05:55.740 There is nobody on the face of the planet

00:05:57.260 who would consider Hunter Biden

00:05:59.200 an expert at anything

00:06:00.320 other than maybe cracking hookers.

00:06:02.200 This is not a guy you'd hire

00:06:03.600 to have your energy policy

00:06:05.360 or your relationship with-

00:06:06.040 That could make an interesting

00:06:06.840 Ruthless podcast interview.

00:06:09.160 The program, I don't know,

00:06:11.200 I could see it happening.

00:06:12.680 Yeah, I mean, look,

00:06:13.440 we like to profess expertise

00:06:15.240 in some of these areas,

00:06:16.520 but this is,

00:06:17.440 look, this is really bad news

00:06:19.740 because we also recall,

00:06:22.780 like, people will forget

00:06:23.740 why the whole Trump impeachment,

00:06:26.460 the first one,

00:06:27.200 came up in the first place

00:06:28.320 is because he and his team

00:06:30.200 were absolutely convinced

00:06:32.080 that this that we're now talking about

00:06:34.540 was happening,

00:06:35.740 and you had Joe Biden on tape

00:06:37.880 in front of a crowd of people

00:06:39.500 talking about how he personally

00:06:41.400 withheld American aid to Ukraine

00:06:44.620 in order to ensure

00:06:46.180 that they fired a prosecutor

00:06:48.280 who he said was corrupt.

00:06:49.740 Well, we've come to find out

00:06:51.120 that the prosecutor,

00:06:52.560 whether he was corrupt or not,

00:06:53.840 number one on his hit list

00:06:55.000 was Burisma.

00:06:57.040 So now if you have a vice president

00:06:59.680 who's saying, admitting as much,

00:07:01.160 that he got a prosecutor fired

00:07:03.100 that was intending to prosecute

00:07:05.760 a client of his son,

00:07:08.300 which maybe, as we learned today,

00:07:11.000 he could have actually got

00:07:12.140 that client for his son.

00:07:13.720 I mean, what more do you need?

00:07:15.440 I mean, that is horrible.

00:07:17.060 Mm-hmm.

00:07:18.720 Meanwhile, as this guy, Devin Archer,

00:07:21.080 who is, you know,

00:07:22.580 he's got issues of his own.

00:07:23.880 This guy's been convicted

00:07:24.820 a year plus ago

00:07:25.920 for trying to defraud

00:07:27.660 Native American tribes

00:07:28.900 in some way.

00:07:29.960 That's that doesn't involve Hunter.

00:07:31.660 That's a different crime.

00:07:33.180 It's hard to keep track of them all.

00:07:35.640 So he gets convicted

00:07:37.060 and there's correspondence

00:07:38.000 on the laptop

00:07:38.520 between Devin and Hunter.

00:07:40.040 Like, Devin's like,

00:07:40.860 hey, no one from your family

00:07:42.120 is going to help me.

00:07:42.840 What the hell?

00:07:44.020 And Hunter's like,

00:07:44.840 oh, the system is full

00:07:46.360 of checks and balances

00:07:47.580 and separation of powers

00:07:49.080 for a reason.

00:07:50.060 It was such gobbledygook

00:07:51.100 written by somebody

00:07:51.780 who was afraid his email

00:07:52.740 was going to get discovered,

00:07:54.020 obviously.

00:07:55.280 But an interesting thing

00:07:56.040 happened over the weekend,

00:07:57.440 which had, you know,

00:07:58.980 it unleashed a dispute

00:08:00.240 about what it means.

00:08:02.140 So in connection

00:08:02.800 with that case,

00:08:03.720 Devin Archer was convicted

00:08:04.620 of this business

00:08:06.320 with the Native Americans.

00:08:07.780 And he filed an appeal

00:08:09.280 to the Second Circuit

00:08:10.000 Court of Appeals.

00:08:10.920 Well, he lost his appeal.

00:08:12.120 They said, no,

00:08:12.620 we're not going to overturn it.

00:08:14.500 He says he's got

00:08:15.580 another grounds for appeal

00:08:17.040 and also that the feds

00:08:18.180 have misapplied

00:08:19.280 the sentencing guidelines

00:08:20.180 to him,

00:08:20.660 that he should not

00:08:21.360 be going to jail for a year.

00:08:22.640 And so he doesn't want

00:08:23.520 to report to prison yet

00:08:24.660 because he's got

00:08:25.860 two other viable avenues

00:08:26.980 of challenge,

00:08:27.520 according to him.

00:08:29.280 Well, the prosecution,

00:08:32.160 the DOJ,

00:08:33.120 decided that on Saturday,

00:08:35.740 48 hours before his testimony,

00:08:38.360 before Congress,

00:08:39.340 that would be a good time

00:08:40.560 to write to the judge

00:08:41.640 in the case and say,

00:08:42.640 we really need to find

00:08:44.260 a date ASAP

00:08:45.400 to imprison Hunter.

00:08:46.800 I mean, not Hunter,

00:08:47.420 Devin, Devin Archer,

00:08:48.880 ASAP.

00:08:49.500 He's got to go.

00:08:50.440 You know, we can work it out.

00:08:51.700 We'll brief it.

00:08:52.760 But just reminding you,

00:08:53.940 this guy needs to go to prison.

00:08:55.600 And apparently,

00:08:56.620 they're not persuaded

00:08:57.360 at all about his arguments

00:08:58.420 on how it's not time.

00:08:59.560 I've got these other

00:09:00.120 viable legal avenues.

00:09:01.280 So this unleashes

00:09:02.240 a whole thing online about,

00:09:03.980 you know, many of us

00:09:04.540 are like the timing

00:09:05.540 for this seems coincidental.

00:09:07.320 They're dangling the prison

00:09:08.680 threat in front of this guy

00:09:09.640 right before he goes to Congress.

00:09:11.700 And so much so

00:09:13.560 that the DOJ

00:09:14.180 then had to write

00:09:15.060 into the judge

00:09:16.000 the second day to say

00:09:17.280 he could go to jail

00:09:18.960 after his Monday testimony.

00:09:20.540 We're not suggesting

00:09:21.520 he has to go to prevent him.

00:09:23.260 But just the whole thing,

00:09:25.040 Josh, stinks.

00:09:26.060 The DOJ stinks.

00:09:27.680 And they've deserved

00:09:28.480 zero benefit of the doubt.

00:09:31.560 Yeah.

00:09:32.120 I mean, do you get the impression?

00:09:33.620 I mean, I don't know.

00:09:34.140 Maybe this is just me.

00:09:34.940 But do you get the impression

00:09:36.080 that DOJ is like

00:09:37.300 sitting around me like,

00:09:38.160 you know, let's let's remove

00:09:39.300 all plausible deniability

00:09:40.640 that we're not putting hands

00:09:41.800 on on just on the

00:09:43.540 on the scales of justice here.

00:09:45.220 I mean, because if it's not

00:09:46.100 that this is just like

00:09:47.240 truly outrageous.

00:09:48.000 I mean, you know

00:09:48.840 what the testimony

00:09:50.020 is going to be on Monday

00:09:51.540 because they've leaked it.

00:09:52.720 They know what's going to happen.

00:09:54.580 Why on earth

00:09:55.420 would you use that

00:09:56.060 as an opportunity

00:09:56.760 to further try to intimidate

00:09:58.600 a witness

00:09:59.480 before a congressional

00:10:00.460 hearing

00:10:01.440 that implicates.

00:10:03.200 There's no other way

00:10:05.980 to take it.

00:10:06.880 I mean, that's

00:10:07.260 the fundamental problem

00:10:09.520 that they have

00:10:10.600 is they just don't care.

00:10:12.140 They just don't give a shit.

00:10:13.160 I mean, the brazen nature

00:10:14.600 by which they negotiate

00:10:16.880 out plea deals

00:10:18.240 for Hunter Biden

00:10:19.240 where there

00:10:20.060 anybody else

00:10:21.340 that has that level

00:10:22.160 of tax fraud

00:10:22.880 at a minimum

00:10:24.000 is paying back

00:10:25.000 and doing a little time.

00:10:26.680 This guy's

00:10:27.160 a couple of misdemeanors.

00:10:28.260 Oh, by the way,

00:10:28.800 there's a federal gun charge.

00:10:29.880 Forget about that.

00:10:30.620 And then they've got

00:10:31.580 a problem convincing

00:10:32.380 the judge

00:10:33.240 in the case

00:10:34.000 of that ultimately.

00:10:35.600 I mean,

00:10:35.900 everything that the DOJ

00:10:37.620 is doing

00:10:38.220 as it pertains

00:10:39.120 to Hunter Biden

00:10:40.020 and by extension

00:10:41.280 Joe Biden

00:10:42.100 looks like

00:10:43.900 they are completely

00:10:45.120 putting a thumb

00:10:45.860 on the scale.

00:10:46.740 And sometimes

00:10:47.560 when it looks like it

00:10:49.240 it's because they are.

00:10:51.700 Yeah, there's the duck

00:10:52.900 right there.

00:10:53.800 No, what happened last week

00:10:55.420 was absolutely absurd.

00:10:56.260 I'm going to get to

00:10:56.680 the Hunter thing too

00:10:57.540 in one second.

00:10:58.200 But look at this.

00:10:58.860 So this is

00:11:00.040 in to the newsroom,

00:11:01.600 meaning my team.

00:11:03.320 Catherine Herridge

00:11:03.900 of CBS

00:11:04.380 got to ask

00:11:05.780 Devin Archer

00:11:06.320 a couple of questions

00:11:06.880 as he walked in.

00:11:08.080 He doesn't really answer them,

00:11:09.040 but it's interesting

00:11:09.520 to see the guy

00:11:10.040 on his way in.

00:11:10.680 Watch.

00:11:12.340 What will you tell

00:11:12.880 congressional investigators

00:11:14.060 about Hunter Biden's

00:11:15.440 business deals?

00:11:16.900 Are White House denials

00:11:18.360 about President Biden's

00:11:19.520 involved and credible?

00:11:24.460 Smiling.

00:11:25.220 No comment.

00:11:26.280 It's good he showed up.

00:11:27.560 I'm happy to actually

00:11:28.780 see him with my own two eyes

00:11:30.000 because this guy

00:11:30.980 does know where

00:11:31.560 a lot of the bodies

00:11:32.160 are buried.

00:11:33.640 He does.

00:11:34.780 And, you know,

00:11:35.020 back to your original point

00:11:35.940 when you sort of

00:11:36.540 introduced all of his

00:11:37.480 other legal issues

00:11:38.580 that he has.

00:11:39.460 I mean, I don't think

00:11:40.000 anybody's real surprised

00:11:41.060 to find out that

00:11:41.700 Hunter Biden was not

00:11:42.620 dealing with people

00:11:43.400 of the highest integrity.

00:11:44.340 Right.

00:11:44.740 I mean, we've seen

00:11:46.120 some of the photos.

00:11:47.440 We've seen some

00:11:48.180 of the videos.

00:11:48.760 We know that this guy's

00:11:49.600 up to on a day-to-day basis

00:11:50.860 and it ain't great.

00:11:52.700 But it doesn't mean

00:11:53.900 that the guy

00:11:54.640 doesn't know,

00:11:56.280 as you said,

00:11:57.000 where the bodies

00:11:57.580 are buried,

00:11:58.420 which is the only reason

00:11:59.560 that he is where he is.

00:12:01.000 It's not like you need

00:12:02.040 Mother Teresa

00:12:02.740 to come in

00:12:03.340 and tell the story.

00:12:04.420 You just need somebody

00:12:05.300 who was there

00:12:05.960 and it was on the phone.

00:12:07.840 And, you know,

00:12:08.800 nobody took

00:12:09.560 Tony Bobulinski's

00:12:10.960 word for it

00:12:11.940 when we found out

00:12:13.140 through his business dealings

00:12:14.820 and he was alleging

00:12:15.540 at the end

00:12:16.020 of the 2020 election

00:12:17.620 that all of the things

00:12:18.620 that we're hearing about

00:12:19.420 now are true.

00:12:20.480 Well, it seems like

00:12:21.280 he was pretty darn

00:12:21.900 credible, too.

00:12:23.300 So, look,

00:12:24.120 I'm glad he's there.

00:12:25.180 As you said,

00:12:25.680 I'm glad he's there.

00:12:27.040 Hopefully by tonight

00:12:28.480 we'll have a better

00:12:29.500 sense of what it is

00:12:31.380 that he's come up with

00:12:32.960 and where this investigation

00:12:34.140 goes because I think

00:12:35.280 it's really serious.

00:12:36.800 I think it has

00:12:37.360 a massive capacity

00:12:38.840 to debilitate

00:12:39.740 the Biden administration

00:12:40.880 that's in the midst

00:12:42.200 of running re-election

00:12:43.060 on this sort of

00:12:44.100 integrity message.

00:12:46.540 It's so interesting.

00:12:47.560 Like, if I'm

00:12:48.260 the prosecution

00:12:49.400 against Devin Archer

00:12:50.760 in that other case,

00:12:51.480 as soon as the defendants

00:12:52.880 appeal,

00:12:53.980 his application

00:12:54.660 for a writ

00:12:55.240 to the Second Circuit

00:12:55.960 gets denied,

00:12:57.080 I say that day

00:12:57.820 you're going to jail.

00:12:58.640 It's over for you, buddy.

00:12:59.700 You're going to jail.

00:13:00.380 Sorry.

00:13:01.620 Maybe somebody says,

00:13:02.740 hey, but he's got

00:13:03.220 this congressional testimony

00:13:04.140 on Monday.

00:13:04.600 And I say, okay,

00:13:05.300 then we wait until Tuesday

00:13:06.320 and we send it to him.

00:13:07.680 Or maybe in our letter

00:13:08.720 to him, we say,

00:13:09.380 hey, you're going

00:13:10.220 to be able to testify.

00:13:11.120 No problem.

00:13:11.520 We get it.

00:13:12.340 But you're going

00:13:12.700 to jail now.

00:13:13.360 The fact that they

00:13:14.120 just sent it

00:13:14.840 without anything like

00:13:16.020 that two days

00:13:16.880 before the testimony

00:13:17.620 is what got

00:13:18.400 everybody talking.

00:13:19.380 All right.

00:13:19.520 So let's talk

00:13:19.960 about Hunter Biden

00:13:20.600 because he goes

00:13:21.080 before the court

00:13:21.660 last week.

00:13:22.160 Now we talked

00:13:22.660 about it on Friday,

00:13:23.180 but he and the DOJ

00:13:25.020 were very clearly

00:13:26.040 in on it together,

00:13:27.220 trying to pull

00:13:27.900 the wool over

00:13:28.500 this judge's eyes

00:13:29.480 that this plea deal

00:13:31.100 was on the up

00:13:32.380 and up

00:13:32.760 and was legit

00:13:34.560 and, you know,

00:13:35.820 covered the

00:13:36.540 appropriate things

00:13:37.380 and only by

00:13:38.140 paging through

00:13:39.440 the many pages

00:13:40.380 did the judge realize

00:13:41.340 they were trying

00:13:42.240 to give him

00:13:42.680 immunity on everything,

00:13:44.500 his foreign dealings,

00:13:46.440 the Ukrainian stuff,

00:13:47.620 the Chinese stuff,

00:13:48.600 the Romain,

00:13:49.040 all of it,

00:13:49.880 to the point

00:13:50.740 where she had to say

00:13:51.640 to the prosecution,

00:13:52.680 are you giving him

00:13:53.480 immunity on this

00:13:54.820 other stuff?

00:13:55.580 And they had no choice

00:13:57.020 but to say,

00:13:57.780 uh, no,

00:13:59.180 no, judge,

00:14:00.160 because as a political

00:14:01.400 matter,

00:14:02.320 this is Andy McCarthy

00:14:03.120 lays this out beautifully

00:14:04.100 in his podcast last week,

00:14:05.300 they had no choice

00:14:06.400 but to lie

00:14:07.100 and say,

00:14:08.020 no,

00:14:09.020 notwithstanding that

00:14:09.780 the four corners

00:14:10.940 of the document show

00:14:11.640 they were giving him

00:14:12.600 immunity on that.

00:14:13.820 And then Hunter Biden's

00:14:14.700 lawyer stands up there

00:14:15.440 and says,

00:14:15.760 well, this is bullshit.

00:14:16.860 Forget it.

00:14:17.260 We're out.

00:14:18.220 We're not.

00:14:18.920 Why are we pleading to?

00:14:21.040 You know,

00:14:21.600 we're not taking a plea

00:14:22.700 if not everything

00:14:23.260 is off the table.

00:14:24.180 Well, listen to the spin.

00:14:26.480 OK, listen to the spin

00:14:27.700 on this.

00:14:28.840 Dan Goldman,

00:14:30.340 he used to come on my show

00:14:31.320 when I was at NBC.

00:14:32.040 He wasn't a complete

00:14:33.480 partisan hack back then.

00:14:34.880 He was a lawyer.

00:14:35.960 He hadn't yet run

00:14:36.660 for Congress.

00:14:37.800 After all that,

00:14:38.480 he ran for Congress

00:14:39.080 in New York

00:14:39.460 and now he's Adam Schiff's

00:14:40.900 little, like, minion.

00:14:43.060 He just does what Adam Schiff

00:14:44.120 tells him to,

00:14:45.040 which is lie.

00:14:46.360 So here he is,

00:14:47.200 speaking to Jonathan Karl

00:14:48.140 on ABC News this week.

00:14:51.080 This was an unusual agreement,

00:14:53.400 in part because it's

00:14:54.720 a 24-month agreement

00:14:57.320 and there's the possibility

00:14:58.800 that Donald Trump

00:15:00.000 will be president.

00:15:00.900 And we know

00:15:02.060 from his presidency

00:15:03.040 how much he weaponized

00:15:04.540 the Department of Justice

00:15:05.420 to go after his enemies

00:15:06.700 and to favor his associates.

00:15:09.080 And so Hunter Biden's lawyers

00:15:10.440 are concerned

00:15:11.280 that Donald Trump,

00:15:12.760 if he were to get

00:15:13.400 the presidency,

00:15:14.060 would weaponize

00:15:15.220 the Department of Justice.

00:15:16.360 And so there is

00:15:17.520 an added calculation

00:15:18.680 to this.

00:15:19.740 But the fact of the matter

00:15:21.040 is that this is

00:15:21.820 a Trump-appointed

00:15:22.760 U.S. attorney,

00:15:23.960 a Trump-appointed judge.

00:15:25.380 This is a very independent

00:15:28.920 and thorough investigation.

00:15:31.540 And I think that

00:15:32.240 whatever happens

00:15:33.160 in the Hunter Biden case,

00:15:34.540 we can rest assured

00:15:35.960 that it was done

00:15:37.080 based solely on the facts

00:15:38.780 and the evidence

00:15:39.480 and that there was

00:15:40.540 nothing else to it.

00:15:43.020 Okay.

00:15:44.280 So they're worried

00:15:45.580 that Donald Trump

00:15:46.420 will be president

00:15:47.360 and because he's weaponized

00:15:49.560 the DOJ to go after

00:15:50.560 his enemies

00:15:50.940 when he was president,

00:15:51.760 they had to do this rigmarole

00:15:55.060 to try to fool the judge

00:15:56.480 into signing off on this

00:15:57.520 because Trump

00:15:58.820 is the one, Holmes,

00:16:00.600 who weaponized

00:16:01.720 the DOJ.

00:16:03.320 The DOJ that,

00:16:04.480 as I recall,

00:16:05.420 went after Paul Manafort,

00:16:07.560 Trump's campaign manager,

00:16:09.340 Roger Stone,

00:16:11.260 Mike Flynn.

00:16:13.060 We could go down the left.

00:16:13.960 That was Trump.

00:16:15.100 He weaponized it

00:16:15.880 against his own people.

00:16:17.980 What the hell

00:16:19.680 is this guy talking about?

00:16:20.980 If Trump was weaponizing

00:16:22.660 the DOJ,

00:16:24.220 it was weaponizing

00:16:25.340 against himself.

00:16:26.940 I mean,

00:16:27.160 all of the Justice Department

00:16:29.240 put him through

00:16:30.940 years upon years

00:16:32.960 of investigation.

00:16:34.200 I mean,

00:16:34.300 do we forget about Mueller?

00:16:36.700 I mean,

00:16:36.920 not to mention

00:16:37.540 Manafort and Stone

00:16:39.440 and all of that.

00:16:40.420 I mean,

00:16:40.660 they prosecuted

00:16:42.180 the Trump campaign,

00:16:44.940 Trump,

00:16:45.960 you know,

00:16:46.220 if not himself

00:16:47.140 by extension,

00:16:48.560 for four years,

00:16:49.740 weaponizing,

00:16:51.200 we haven't seen that

00:16:52.220 until this guy showed up,

00:16:53.820 until Biden showed up.

00:16:55.220 And to be honest with you,

00:16:56.120 I know a lot

00:16:57.900 of line lawyers

00:16:58.800 that have been

00:16:59.180 at the Department of Justice

00:17:00.040 and there are a lot

00:17:00.560 of really good people

00:17:01.340 over there.

00:17:01.940 It was hard for me

00:17:03.080 to believe initially

00:17:04.000 when the Biden administration

00:17:06.240 looked like they were

00:17:07.600 putting a heavy finger

00:17:08.660 on the scale

00:17:09.280 in many of these cases.

00:17:10.980 But now,

00:17:11.760 I don't think you can

00:17:12.500 come to any other conclusion.

00:17:14.040 It's if it is being weaponized,

00:17:16.740 it is currently

00:17:17.920 being weaponized

00:17:19.060 and it's being weaponized

00:17:20.120 against the adversaries

00:17:21.220 of President Biden

00:17:23.260 and on behalf

00:17:24.240 of his allies.

00:17:25.960 Not raised

00:17:27.220 by Jonathan Karl

00:17:28.580 in his interview

00:17:29.800 with Dan Goldman.

00:17:30.920 What kind of

00:17:31.840 responsible reporter

00:17:33.380 doesn't slap him

00:17:34.500 back in the face

00:17:35.260 to say,

00:17:36.320 hello,

00:17:37.100 McFly,

00:17:38.100 hello?

00:17:39.100 Right?

00:17:39.860 But no,

00:17:40.300 he didn't do that.

00:17:41.140 And he let him go on

00:17:43.540 about how

00:17:44.940 this is a

00:17:45.620 this has been a very

00:17:46.580 independent

00:17:47.080 and thorough investigation.

00:17:48.960 Really?

00:17:49.400 What about

00:17:50.180 the whistleblowers

00:17:51.420 from the IRS

00:17:52.300 who were running

00:17:53.720 point on the investigation

00:17:55.460 who literally

00:17:56.220 just 10 days ago

00:17:57.680 came out to say

00:17:58.600 we were shut down

00:18:00.160 by this DOJ

00:18:01.100 at every turn

00:18:02.220 from investigating

00:18:03.380 the big guy,

00:18:04.920 Joe Biden,

00:18:05.460 in any way,

00:18:06.440 most of the

00:18:07.140 the Hunter foreign

00:18:08.260 business deals,

00:18:09.060 they weren't provided

00:18:09.920 with that form

00:18:10.480 1023 from the FBI

00:18:12.080 alleging a direct

00:18:13.480 bribe to Hunter

00:18:14.320 and to Joe.

00:18:14.960 None of it,

00:18:15.820 but not raised.

00:18:16.820 And here's point two

00:18:17.800 Dan Goldman makes

00:18:18.860 in the interview homes.

00:18:19.880 Listen,

00:18:20.680 listen to this.

00:18:23.100 That's what they've

00:18:23.920 been investigating

00:18:24.560 for five years

00:18:25.580 and they ultimately

00:18:26.520 determined they

00:18:27.460 could not charge him.

00:18:29.140 And for whatever

00:18:29.940 reason,

00:18:30.320 we don't know

00:18:31.120 the House Republicans

00:18:32.060 have no idea

00:18:33.160 what the actual

00:18:33.920 evidence is

00:18:34.800 that David Weiss

00:18:36.080 has.

00:18:36.700 And this was an

00:18:37.260 exhaustive

00:18:38.160 five year investigation.

00:18:39.720 And so what

00:18:41.280 Hunter Biden's

00:18:42.020 lawyer wanted

00:18:42.640 was some

00:18:43.580 confirmation

00:18:44.100 that they will

00:18:45.040 not charge him

00:18:46.160 for any crimes

00:18:47.300 related to

00:18:48.320 the investigation

00:18:49.080 that they

00:18:49.700 that they

00:18:50.380 underwent.

00:18:51.420 That's fairly

00:18:52.320 typical.

00:18:52.780 And oftentimes

00:18:53.760 prosecutors and

00:18:54.760 defense lawyers

00:18:55.280 go back and

00:18:55.920 forth about what

00:18:56.600 degree of

00:18:57.400 immunity a

00:18:58.680 defendant will

00:18:59.400 get.

00:19:00.000 But let's

00:19:00.780 remember,

00:19:01.100 this is not

00:19:01.780 as if it's

00:19:02.360 a new

00:19:02.840 investigation.

00:19:03.420 This is

00:19:04.300 five years

00:19:05.280 and we had

00:19:05.900 testimony of

00:19:06.720 foreign bank

00:19:07.800 accounts,

00:19:08.280 domestic bank

00:19:09.000 accounts,

00:19:09.460 search warrants,

00:19:10.660 hundreds of

00:19:11.240 thousands of

00:19:11.800 documents that

00:19:12.540 they poured

00:19:13.020 over.

00:19:13.600 And ultimately

00:19:14.320 they decided

00:19:14.940 they could not

00:19:15.520 charge Hunter

00:19:16.080 Biden with it.

00:19:16.760 And that's how

00:19:17.140 the process

00:19:17.580 should work.

00:19:19.740 Oh,

00:19:20.060 here we go.

00:19:22.760 An exhaustive

00:19:23.980 five year

00:19:25.240 investigation,

00:19:26.160 you see.

00:19:27.300 And they've

00:19:28.620 been doing it

00:19:29.160 for five years

00:19:30.020 and ultimately

00:19:30.620 determined that

00:19:31.900 they could not

00:19:32.580 charge him with

00:19:33.840 all those things

00:19:34.600 about the

00:19:35.040 Foreign Agent

00:19:35.820 Registration Act

00:19:36.780 and so on,

00:19:37.480 because that's

00:19:38.420 that's why they

00:19:38.900 were comfortable

00:19:39.300 giving him

00:19:39.740 blanket immunity.

00:19:40.500 That was the

00:19:40.840 question going in

00:19:41.660 there.

00:19:42.040 They just they

00:19:42.820 did this thorough

00:19:43.460 investigation,

00:19:44.240 Holmes, and

00:19:44.720 they ultimately

00:19:45.240 determined that

00:19:46.040 he could they

00:19:46.560 could not charge

00:19:47.060 him.

00:19:47.840 Missed by both

00:19:48.660 the questioner

00:19:49.440 and Dan

00:19:50.540 Goldman is the

00:19:51.500 fact that there's

00:19:52.860 an open

00:19:53.160 investigation.

00:19:54.260 They were trying

00:19:54.960 to give him

00:19:55.300 immunity while they

00:19:56.340 have an open

00:19:56.700 investigation on

00:19:57.560 him.

00:19:58.100 They were

00:19:58.420 waiving all the

00:19:59.680 charges that

00:20:00.560 they're now

00:20:00.840 investigating.

00:20:02.480 But Dan

00:20:03.440 Goldman, it's

00:20:04.000 fine.

00:20:04.560 This what do

00:20:05.020 means is totally

00:20:05.800 what did he

00:20:06.380 say up front?

00:20:06.880 Oh, it's the

00:20:07.280 typical process.

00:20:08.520 No, no, it's

00:20:09.340 anything but I

00:20:10.880 feel like I'm

00:20:12.080 just like in

00:20:12.720 an asylum or

00:20:13.760 something.

00:20:14.220 And like maybe

00:20:14.960 I'm the crazy

00:20:15.800 one because all

00:20:17.420 of this doesn't

00:20:18.100 feel that

00:20:19.560 difficult to

00:20:20.440 figure out.

00:20:21.080 Did you love,

00:20:21.700 by the way, did

00:20:22.260 you love that he

00:20:22.900 started with the

00:20:23.920 idea that, well,

00:20:25.140 House Republicans

00:20:25.920 have absolutely

00:20:27.080 no idea what's

00:20:28.860 in this

00:20:29.200 investigation.

00:20:30.200 But Dan

00:20:31.040 Goldman, who's a

00:20:31.920 junior congressman

00:20:33.020 in his first

00:20:33.640 term, is an

00:20:34.540 absolute expert

00:20:35.600 on this issue.

00:20:36.980 He knows

00:20:37.660 everything that

00:20:38.320 there is to

00:20:38.860 know.

00:20:39.100 And Weiss, I

00:20:39.780 mean, boy, it's

00:20:40.740 like he was at

00:20:41.300 the table working

00:20:42.480 through the plea

00:20:43.140 deal with the

00:20:43.740 guy.

00:20:44.040 He's going to

00:20:44.600 provide absolute

00:20:46.040 expertise on what

00:20:47.520 it is that he's

00:20:48.120 being charged in

00:20:48.660 the fairness of

00:20:49.580 that.

00:20:50.100 But he knows

00:20:50.600 that nobody else

00:20:51.360 really has insight

00:20:52.280 into that other

00:20:53.180 than Weiss and

00:20:53.820 Dan Goldman.

00:20:55.220 Unbelievable.

00:20:56.580 Meanwhile, do you

00:20:57.140 know who actually

00:20:57.820 does know at

00:20:58.620 least more than

00:20:59.720 most of us?

00:21:00.460 Those IRS

00:21:00.960 agents.

00:21:01.920 And they're saying

00:21:02.460 this stinks to

00:21:03.060 high heaven.

00:21:03.660 The guy committed

00:21:04.260 multiple felonies

00:21:05.200 and that absolutely

00:21:06.240 there was obstruction

00:21:07.040 of justice by the

00:21:08.000 DOJ here.

00:21:08.680 That's what they're

00:21:09.200 saying.

00:21:10.060 Dan Goldman

00:21:10.460 doesn't care and

00:21:11.220 neither does the

00:21:11.920 news media that's

00:21:13.480 going to provide

00:21:14.020 cover for him at

00:21:15.400 every turn.

00:21:16.180 Did you see the

00:21:16.720 headline in USA

00:21:17.500 Today over the

00:21:18.580 weekend talking

00:21:19.620 about the foibles?

00:21:20.820 Oh, my God, I've

00:21:21.380 got to find it.

00:21:22.020 I know you saw it.

00:21:22.800 I think amongst us

00:21:24.360 and we're foiling

00:21:26.540 around everywhere.

00:21:27.460 And look what

00:21:27.980 happens.

00:21:28.260 Here it is.

00:21:29.480 USA Today's tweet.

00:21:31.240 Hunter Biden's

00:21:32.640 foibles provide

00:21:34.380 ammunition for

00:21:35.380 Republicans who

00:21:36.200 want to inflict harm

00:21:37.720 on Joe Biden

00:21:38.700 ahead of 2024.

00:21:41.800 Just, you know,

00:21:42.600 look, it's a

00:21:43.180 foible.

00:21:43.860 It's a I know,

00:21:45.460 Megan, when you're

00:21:46.240 out on the weekend

00:21:46.980 and you're foiling

00:21:47.800 around with a crack

00:21:49.620 and and tax evasion

00:21:51.560 hookers that

00:21:52.500 you know,

00:21:53.460 hookers.

00:21:54.140 Yeah, it's just,

00:21:55.640 you know, you

00:21:55.920 foible around and

00:21:56.820 things happen.

00:21:57.680 And what's

00:21:58.340 unfortunate here,

00:21:59.280 it's not so much

00:21:59.960 the foibles or

00:22:00.720 the foibler is

00:22:02.400 it is those

00:22:02.940 Republicans who

00:22:04.060 are they're using

00:22:05.340 these foibles

00:22:06.280 against their

00:22:08.020 his father,

00:22:09.000 because, you

00:22:09.960 know, I mean,

00:22:10.460 you can't excuse

00:22:11.460 it for me, but

00:22:12.180 I mean, they're

00:22:12.640 just trying to

00:22:13.080 defeat him

00:22:13.500 electorally.

00:22:14.340 That's what we

00:22:14.900 should be focused

00:22:15.560 on.

00:22:16.420 They're so mean

00:22:17.300 the way they just

00:22:17.920 jump on this stuff.

00:22:19.680 All right.

00:22:19.900 So I've got to

00:22:20.840 get this in.

00:22:22.540 Unbelievably,

00:22:23.700 I mean, we've

00:22:24.240 been talking about

00:22:24.760 how the Biden

00:22:25.920 White House, Joe

00:22:26.560 Biden, Jill Biden

00:22:27.640 will not acknowledge

00:22:28.300 the seventh

00:22:28.720 grandchild, Hunter

00:22:29.880 Biden's love

00:22:30.580 child.

00:22:30.940 However, I've

00:22:31.320 heard of this

00:22:31.700 girl Navy, but

00:22:33.220 it's his child

00:22:33.940 out of wedlock

00:22:34.700 with a woman who

00:22:35.620 was a former

00:22:36.100 stripper down in

00:22:37.340 Arkansas.

00:22:38.300 And not only

00:22:39.120 will they not

00:22:39.660 acknowledge her,

00:22:40.140 but they continue

00:22:40.720 to underscore the

00:22:42.020 fact that they

00:22:42.380 have six

00:22:42.840 grandchildren,

00:22:43.580 six, six,

00:22:44.080 six, six,

00:22:44.520 six.

00:22:44.920 They have

00:22:45.340 seven.

00:22:46.000 There's this

00:22:46.360 young four-year-old

00:22:47.600 named Navy who

00:22:48.900 they refuse to let

00:22:49.700 her call herself

00:22:50.220 Biden.

00:22:50.660 Even though

00:22:51.740 Hunter Biden's

00:22:52.240 her dad.

00:22:54.320 Anyway, Friday

00:22:55.960 night in the

00:22:57.120 middle of the

00:22:57.560 summer, 5 p.m.,

00:22:59.520 in a paper

00:23:00.100 statement, last

00:23:01.300 paragraph of

00:23:02.280 their release on

00:23:03.140 what's going on in

00:23:03.720 the Biden

00:23:04.000 White House, they

00:23:05.100 bury an

00:23:06.160 acknowledgement that

00:23:07.800 there is a Navy

00:23:09.740 and that she is the

00:23:11.880 president's seventh

00:23:12.840 grandchild.

00:23:13.260 Now, I'm sure

00:23:14.140 Navy's going to

00:23:14.740 wrap that around

00:23:15.480 her like a

00:23:16.000 hand-knitted

00:23:16.520 shawl at

00:23:17.040 Christmas, a

00:23:18.060 lovely gift from

00:23:18.880 Grandpa, Grandpa

00:23:20.060 Joe, one paragraph

00:23:22.900 in a paper

00:23:23.400 statement on Friday

00:23:24.220 at five.

00:23:25.060 But this is such

00:23:25.480 an obvious CYA

00:23:26.580 Holmes, and I

00:23:27.720 guess they felt

00:23:28.340 they had no

00:23:28.940 choice but to do

00:23:29.680 it.

00:23:29.940 It's obviously

00:23:30.460 politics.

00:23:31.920 I've long felt

00:23:33.200 like this is as

00:23:34.760 big a liability as

00:23:36.220 President Biden

00:23:37.000 has because he,

00:23:39.480 amongst, you know,

00:23:40.600 all this nonsense

00:23:41.640 and his terrible

00:23:42.280 governing or

00:23:42.920 whatever, amongst

00:23:43.980 the American people

00:23:44.860 was seen as a

00:23:46.180 family man, seen

00:23:47.060 as a good person.

00:23:48.540 Of course, people

00:23:49.040 remember his

00:23:49.640 tragedy, of

00:23:50.920 course, as a

00:23:51.380 young man, also

00:23:52.500 with the death of

00:23:53.340 his son, Beau.

00:23:54.540 And so people

00:23:55.000 give him the

00:23:55.360 benefit of the

00:23:55.800 doubt on all of

00:23:56.400 this.

00:23:56.980 But then you

00:23:57.880 get to a point

00:23:58.340 where he's not

00:23:58.760 acknowledging a

00:24:00.420 granddaughter.

00:24:01.860 And that takes

00:24:02.840 something.

00:24:03.760 It takes an

00:24:05.280 act, a

00:24:06.180 proactive act by

00:24:08.480 somebody to just

00:24:09.940 completely throw

00:24:11.620 out who he sees

00:24:13.700 apparently as

00:24:14.600 garbage or

00:24:16.020 somebody he

00:24:16.440 doesn't want to

00:24:16.860 acknowledge as a

00:24:18.440 human being and a

00:24:19.180 part of his

00:24:19.580 family and had

00:24:20.240 done so for a

00:24:21.020 period of years.

00:24:21.840 I thought that

00:24:22.680 that cut deeper

00:24:23.600 into the center

00:24:24.760 left or center

00:24:25.560 right of the

00:24:26.080 electorate than

00:24:26.560 almost anything

00:24:27.400 that Joe Biden

00:24:28.060 can do because

00:24:29.060 it's about him.

00:24:30.180 It's about his

00:24:31.120 integrity.

00:24:31.940 It's about who

00:24:32.960 he is as a

00:24:33.720 person.

00:24:34.820 Clearly, they got

00:24:35.680 to the bottom of

00:24:36.340 that and felt like,

00:24:37.040 well, you can't do

00:24:37.640 that.

00:24:37.880 I mean, people are

00:24:38.320 going to have a real

00:24:38.920 problem with that.

00:24:39.820 So on Friday

00:24:40.280 night, let's just

00:24:40.960 say Navy, that's

00:24:42.840 her name.

00:24:44.100 We want what's

00:24:45.020 best for her.

00:24:46.100 No, you don't.

00:24:47.300 No, you don't.

00:24:48.260 I mean, they went

00:24:48.940 through Hunter a

00:24:51.320 period of years

00:24:52.220 trying to basically

00:24:53.260 distance as far as

00:24:54.600 he could distance,

00:24:56.060 couldn't use the

00:24:56.820 name, had to pay

00:24:58.300 off.

00:24:59.440 It's just, it's

00:25:00.720 ugly.

00:25:01.840 And what's so bad

00:25:02.660 about this is it

00:25:03.620 exposes the

00:25:04.620 cynicism of the

00:25:06.260 Biden family in

00:25:07.840 the politics of

00:25:10.000 this issue, not

00:25:11.140 the family, are

00:25:12.340 what drove this

00:25:13.000 discussion.

00:25:13.660 It's disgusting.

00:25:14.900 He wants to

00:25:15.800 say, Joe Biden

00:25:16.480 wants to say, this

00:25:17.100 is personal.

00:25:18.560 In the statement,

00:25:20.000 he says, our

00:25:20.880 son Hunter and

00:25:21.500 Navy's mother,

00:25:22.400 London, are

00:25:23.320 working together

00:25:23.840 to foster a

00:25:24.460 relationship that

00:25:25.140 is in the best

00:25:25.720 interest of their

00:25:26.280 daughter, preserving

00:25:26.980 her privacy as

00:25:27.940 much as possible

00:25:28.560 going forward.

00:25:29.180 In other words,

00:25:30.300 stop fucking

00:25:31.240 talking about

00:25:31.900 this kid.

00:25:32.900 That's a

00:25:33.540 translate for the

00:25:34.300 audience.

00:25:34.760 And he writes,

00:25:36.280 this is not a

00:25:37.520 political issue.

00:25:38.580 It's a family

00:25:39.240 matter.

00:25:40.080 Same, same

00:25:40.880 refrain as

00:25:41.420 paragraph number

00:25:41.980 one.

00:25:42.800 Jill and I only

00:25:43.580 want what is best

00:25:44.420 for all of our

00:25:45.500 grandchildren,

00:25:46.520 including Navy.

00:25:48.500 And here is

00:25:49.540 CNN with their

00:25:51.160 messaging on it,

00:25:52.040 not that far

00:25:52.680 afield from the

00:25:53.380 president's message.

00:25:54.300 This is CNN

00:25:54.920 over the weekend.

00:25:56.740 Why now for the

00:25:58.040 Bidens?

00:25:58.360 And honestly, why

00:25:59.020 did it take them

00:25:59.640 so long?

00:26:00.460 Well, two things.

00:26:01.080 First of all, I

00:26:02.560 respect you as a

00:26:03.880 journalist for having

00:26:04.520 to ask the

00:26:05.000 question, but it

00:26:05.700 is a very gross

00:26:07.040 and uncomfortable

00:26:07.640 subject to talk

00:26:08.760 about as it is.

00:26:09.840 Well, let's not

00:26:10.340 call a little girl

00:26:10.940 gross.

00:26:11.520 No, no, no, no,

00:26:12.260 no, no, no.

00:26:12.560 I'm talking about

00:26:13.340 the inter-sanctum

00:26:14.820 of a family and

00:26:16.080 the privacy of

00:26:17.340 what goes on in

00:26:18.260 a family.

00:26:19.020 That little girl,

00:26:19.940 she should not be

00:26:20.520 weaponized by the

00:26:21.600 Republicans who

00:26:22.640 are down there in

00:26:23.440 Arkansas with

00:26:24.500 conservative lawyers

00:26:25.600 and conservative

00:26:26.680 PR people and

00:26:28.200 posting on their

00:26:28.960 Instagram.

00:26:29.940 They shouldn't be

00:26:30.420 weaponizing her.

00:26:31.240 It's not Republicans

00:26:31.920 with all due respect

00:26:32.740 who made Hunter Biden

00:26:33.580 into a complete

00:26:34.280 scumbag on this

00:26:35.660 and other issues.

00:26:37.360 Ignoring his own

00:26:38.860 daughter for four

00:26:40.240 years and the

00:26:40.880 president of the

00:26:41.280 United States

00:26:41.760 hanging up a

00:26:42.400 stocking for the

00:26:43.240 dog and not for

00:26:44.520 his seventh

00:26:44.960 grandchild.

00:26:45.480 Look, we can also

00:26:46.820 have sympathy for

00:26:48.580 people who are

00:26:49.200 struggling with

00:26:49.760 addiction.

00:26:50.380 Let's keep this

00:26:50.960 conversation.

00:26:57.440 Help me.

00:26:59.560 People wonder why

00:27:00.460 the mainstream media

00:27:01.160 is dying.

00:27:03.500 Well, God bless

00:27:04.460 Scott.

00:27:05.540 God bless Scott

00:27:06.620 Jennings, a good

00:27:07.560 friend of mine who

00:27:08.440 goes in there and

00:27:09.700 has to face all

00:27:10.900 this nonsense all

00:27:11.760 the time.

00:27:12.300 And, you know, the

00:27:13.060 point he's making

00:27:13.760 is a good one,

00:27:14.540 which is like

00:27:15.020 Republicans didn't

00:27:15.780 create this problem.

00:27:17.160 Hunter Biden did in

00:27:18.020 the dead of night,

00:27:18.760 probably on a

00:27:19.260 crack field binge.

00:27:21.200 But but look, pull

00:27:22.920 it back out of all

00:27:24.100 of that.

00:27:25.500 What's not

00:27:25.940 disgusting is asking

00:27:27.100 questions.

00:27:27.840 What is disgusting

00:27:28.640 is when you hang

00:27:29.740 six stockings for

00:27:31.620 each grandchild at

00:27:33.360 the White House,

00:27:34.540 omitting the

00:27:35.500 seventh and then

00:27:36.440 hanging one for the

00:27:37.400 dog that bites the

00:27:38.360 shit out of the

00:27:38.820 Secret Service and

00:27:39.720 basically hours of

00:27:41.320 the night like the

00:27:42.340 dog, the dog gets

00:27:43.860 gets a stocking, not

00:27:45.560 not Navy.

00:27:46.900 Now Navy does.

00:27:48.120 And it's like, but

00:27:48.640 you can't talk about

00:27:49.560 that.

00:27:50.080 Why would you talk

00:27:50.700 about personal

00:27:51.460 family?

00:27:52.220 That's a personal

00:27:52.880 issue.

00:27:53.600 And and everything.

00:27:55.080 By the way, a

00:27:56.120 president of the

00:27:56.640 United States, the

00:27:57.100 most public figure in

00:27:58.160 the English speaking,

00:27:59.060 probably the all of

00:28:00.160 the world has got to

00:28:02.000 have privacy.

00:28:03.040 There's got to be

00:28:03.560 privacy amongst these

00:28:04.480 kind of decisions.

00:28:05.380 Unless like he keeps

00:28:07.240 raising it.

00:28:08.640 He keeps saying I've

00:28:09.660 got six grandchildren.

00:28:10.520 I speak to them

00:28:11.600 every day.

00:28:12.920 This is what I tell

00:28:13.640 them, the importance

00:28:14.180 of being a dad, the

00:28:15.180 importance of family.

00:28:16.240 He is running on his

00:28:18.080 Grandpa Joe image,

00:28:19.680 which is particularly

00:28:20.740 annoying to those of

00:28:21.980 us who love Wonka.

00:28:22.980 There's an actual

00:28:23.760 Grandpa Joe who's a

00:28:24.740 good man.

00:28:25.780 He got up out of

00:28:26.980 that bed.

00:28:27.580 He went with Charlie

00:28:28.380 to the factory.

00:28:29.360 His legs hadn't

00:28:29.980 worked in 20 years.

00:28:32.200 OK, I.

00:28:34.420 Oh, Willie Wonka.

00:28:35.860 I didn't see that

00:28:36.600 coming.

00:28:37.040 That's good.

00:28:37.620 I'm obsessed.

00:28:39.500 Anywho, he's the

00:28:41.180 one who's using it

00:28:41.880 as a campaign issue.

00:28:42.920 But then when he

00:28:43.520 comes back to haunt

00:28:44.260 him, we're not

00:28:44.960 allowed to discuss it

00:28:45.760 because it's a family

00:28:46.380 matter.

00:28:48.000 It it just it sort

00:28:49.540 of just shocks the

00:28:50.480 sense.

00:28:50.680 Again, I keep coming

00:28:51.520 back to like, am I in

00:28:52.440 an asylum?

00:28:53.080 Am I am I the crazy

00:28:54.280 person?

00:28:55.040 Are we seriously

00:28:56.160 just looking at a

00:28:57.420 person who omits the

00:28:58.820 existence of a

00:28:59.640 grandchild and then

00:29:00.880 tries to run on the

00:29:01.700 family values platform?

00:29:03.220 And then when he

00:29:03.820 changes his mind on

00:29:04.720 that, we're at

00:29:05.160 well, we should all

00:29:05.800 just be like, OK,

00:29:07.260 all right.

00:29:08.560 That sounds good, Joe.

00:29:09.680 I get it.

00:29:10.400 Like, you know, and

00:29:11.660 by the way, Hunter is

00:29:12.820 the smartest person

00:29:13.700 that he's ever met.

00:29:14.580 Remember that one?

00:29:15.640 Remember that one?

00:29:16.380 Hunter is the smart,

00:29:17.220 smartest man that he's

00:29:18.140 ever met.

00:29:18.840 Well, he sure has put

00:29:19.620 you in a lot of bad

00:29:20.460 situations, hasn't he,

00:29:22.200 Mr.

00:29:22.460 President?

00:29:23.120 It is just

00:29:24.080 unconscionable.

00:29:25.700 I hate the fact that

00:29:26.480 we have to deal with

00:29:27.220 it, but it is it's

00:29:28.500 it's real.

00:29:29.240 It's material.

00:29:29.900 And it goes to who

00:29:31.620 this family is and

00:29:33.020 what decisions they may

00:29:34.080 or may not have made,

00:29:34.980 because ultimately in

00:29:36.260 a political context,

00:29:37.200 the American people are

00:29:38.240 going to be judging Joe

00:29:39.180 Biden on that because

00:29:41.200 there's a lot of smoke

00:29:42.380 that would indicate that

00:29:43.800 he has all kinds of

00:29:45.100 potential corruption

00:29:45.900 issues surrounding him.

00:29:47.640 Whether you believe that

00:29:48.760 or not is entirely

00:29:50.660 reliant on whether or not

00:29:51.940 you think he's capable of

00:29:52.960 it.

00:29:53.180 When you're capable of

00:29:54.600 erasing a human being

00:29:56.580 because they're politically

00:29:57.620 uncomfortable, you're

00:29:58.940 capable of anything.

00:30:00.500 Hmm.

00:30:00.840 Over on the Republican

00:30:02.920 side of the aisle, Trump

00:30:04.840 is more dominant than

00:30:06.800 ever.

00:30:07.780 The New York Times just

00:30:08.620 did his first poll of the

00:30:09.500 election cycle on what's

00:30:11.060 happening in the Republican

00:30:11.760 side and finds this is

00:30:13.180 their headline.

00:30:13.840 Just I just like circled a

00:30:15.900 couple of their top words

00:30:16.880 crushing DeSantis,

00:30:19.300 dominating his rivals,

00:30:21.380 landslide 37 percentage

00:30:22.740 points nationally.

00:30:23.780 And it goes on from there.

00:30:25.140 But yes, it shows Trump at

00:30:26.420 54.

00:30:27.400 The number two is DeSantis

00:30:28.720 is at 17.

00:30:30.800 Everybody else is down at

00:30:31.880 three or two at best,

00:30:33.300 three or two.

00:30:34.860 Talking about how he has

00:30:36.040 decisive advantages across

00:30:37.360 almost every single

00:30:39.000 demographic demographic

00:30:40.120 group and region and in

00:30:42.200 every ideological win of

00:30:43.580 the party.

00:30:44.000 The survey found led by

00:30:45.700 wide margins among men

00:30:47.420 and women, young and old,

00:30:48.680 moderates and conservatives,

00:30:50.080 college educated and those

00:30:50.980 who are not in cities, in

00:30:52.440 suburbs, in rural areas, on

00:30:54.820 and on it goes, even in a

00:30:56.500 hypothetical one on one

00:30:57.580 race, which is what the

00:30:58.460 DeSantis supporters have

00:30:59.400 said all along, if you

00:31:00.260 could get rid of these

00:31:00.920 also rants and just make

00:31:02.600 it head to head that

00:31:03.720 DeSantis would win.

00:31:04.900 This shows Trump would

00:31:06.200 still dominate DeSantis

00:31:08.460 62 to 31.

00:31:11.100 They write about the

00:31:12.180 intensity in the support

00:31:14.180 for the president versus

00:31:15.280 any of the Republicans

00:31:16.380 running against him.

00:31:17.580 They say the bottom line

00:31:18.740 is the theme is the

00:31:20.440 Republican voters like

00:31:21.800 Ron DeSantis.

00:31:22.760 They love Donald Trump.

00:31:25.340 Now, this might make

00:31:27.160 Republicans feel good

00:31:28.300 because there's enthusiasm

00:31:30.320 for the guy who's

00:31:31.600 dominating and the most

00:31:33.020 likely one to become

00:31:33.900 their nominee.

00:31:35.620 But there's like a lot of

00:31:38.780 indictments and we're

00:31:41.000 going to double them by the

00:31:42.400 time we get to 2024.

00:31:44.800 And the more I look at this

00:31:46.540 one that may be coming out

00:31:47.640 of Atlanta, Holmes, the

00:31:48.700 more I worry because this

00:31:50.680 woman is out to get him and

00:31:52.220 Atlanta is not going to

00:31:53.080 slow roll it.

00:31:53.760 And that case actually

00:31:55.040 could be tried in front of

00:31:57.100 an Atlanta, i.e.

00:31:58.060 Trump hating jury prior to

00:32:00.140 2024.

00:32:01.200 And there actually is a

00:32:03.320 decent chance they could

00:32:04.760 throw President Trump in

00:32:06.860 jail before the November

00:32:08.540 election.

00:32:09.180 He was actually asked this

00:32:10.600 question.

00:32:10.900 Can you can you run from

00:32:12.600 jail?

00:32:13.000 Can you was can you run from

00:32:14.440 jail or can you can you

00:32:15.700 work from jail?

00:32:16.680 One of the other.

00:32:17.640 Here's.

00:32:18.180 Yeah.

00:32:18.280 Can you run?

00:32:18.880 It's not 12.

00:32:19.600 Listen.

00:32:21.420 Yet these indictments, there

00:32:23.380 ends up you got to join D.C.

00:32:24.900 You get convicted and

00:32:26.200 sentenced.

00:32:27.560 Does that stop your

00:32:29.020 campaign for president if

00:32:31.960 you're sentenced?

00:32:34.000 Not not at all.

00:32:35.600 There's nothing in the

00:32:36.780 Constitution to say that it

00:32:38.700 could and not at all.

00:32:40.520 And even the radical left

00:32:41.960 crazies are saying, no, that

00:32:43.320 wouldn't stop.

00:32:44.500 And it wouldn't stop me

00:32:45.720 either.

00:32:45.980 That's a hell of a

00:32:50.460 back.

00:32:50.880 Ever had to work on this

00:32:52.060 kind of a campaign issue

00:32:53.000 before and all your

00:32:53.700 campaign work.

00:32:56.080 No, no, you hate to

00:32:58.140 think what the sat link

00:32:59.220 looks like from San

00:33:00.220 Quentin.

00:33:01.320 It's a tough podium.

00:33:03.020 It's a tough podium.

00:33:05.420 Look, you hope that

00:33:06.360 doesn't that doesn't

00:33:07.640 happen.

00:33:08.100 I think back back to the

00:33:09.640 back to the polls just for

00:33:11.220 a second.

00:33:12.300 Yeah, I'd quibble a

00:33:14.160 little bit with the

00:33:15.160 argument that people

00:33:16.140 like Ron DeSantis, but

00:33:17.840 they love Donald Trump.

00:33:20.020 There's 30 percent of the

00:33:21.420 electorate that loves

00:33:22.700 Donald Trump and they're

00:33:23.460 not open for business at

00:33:24.920 all.

00:33:25.180 We've seen that since

00:33:26.200 January 6th, basically.

00:33:28.780 I mean, there's 30 percent

00:33:29.580 of not going anywhere.

00:33:30.760 But you saw last winter

00:33:31.980 coming off of the high of a

00:33:33.880 big win in Florida and

00:33:35.460 in DeSantis with a big

00:33:36.880 primetime speech, family

00:33:38.100 looking lovely and, you

00:33:40.120 know, potential presidential

00:33:41.120 ambitions.

00:33:41.700 You had poll after poll

00:33:44.100 that showed DeSantis

00:33:45.160 either leading Donald

00:33:46.880 Trump or very closely

00:33:49.040 behind him.

00:33:50.280 What that was indicative

00:33:51.660 of is a whole bunch of

00:33:53.160 people consolidating

00:33:54.380 around something new and

00:33:56.020 something different.

00:33:57.120 They still had 30 to 30

00:33:59.140 percent with Donald

00:33:59.880 Trump.

00:34:00.620 So when you when he lost

00:34:02.400 all of that, it's

00:34:03.220 scattered to the wind and

00:34:04.800 then Trump picked some

00:34:05.940 out.

00:34:06.560 What we're looking at is a

00:34:08.080 Republican electorate that

00:34:09.400 has yet to find an

00:34:11.200 alternative that they're

00:34:12.200 comfortable with.

00:34:13.060 But almost every one of

00:34:14.580 these state polls, Megan,

00:34:15.660 if you look at Iowa, you

00:34:16.700 look at New Hampshire,

00:34:17.520 South Carolina, Nevada,

00:34:18.560 all these early states,

00:34:20.320 they show Trump in the

00:34:21.540 40s.

00:34:22.320 And there's so there's

00:34:23.440 anywhere between 50 and

00:34:25.640 65 percent of voters.

00:34:27.720 It's not like they don't

00:34:28.620 know who Donald Trump is.

00:34:29.920 There's 50 to 65 percent of

00:34:31.700 voters that want something

00:34:32.760 different other than

00:34:34.320 Donald Trump, but they

00:34:35.140 don't know what yet.

00:34:36.420 And I think Ron DeSantis

00:34:37.280 had the capability of

00:34:38.380 consolidating all that as

00:34:39.600 he did in January and

00:34:41.060 February, but it didn't

00:34:42.480 work.

00:34:42.840 The rollout didn't work.

00:34:44.380 A bunch of early campaign

00:34:45.420 stumbles and he wasn't

00:34:46.420 able to lock that one on

00:34:47.680 one mano a mano deal.

00:34:49.480 And so now it's thrown

00:34:50.280 back open.

00:34:51.120 That does not mean that

00:34:53.100 this just is what it is.

00:34:54.820 There is plenty of

00:34:55.840 opportunity in road

00:34:56.980 starting with this debate

00:34:58.280 in August that the RNC is

00:35:00.340 putting together in

00:35:01.080 Milwaukee, where you're

00:35:02.560 going to have a platform,

00:35:03.640 a national platform to

00:35:05.140 somebody, including Ron

00:35:06.180 DeSantis, to make the

00:35:07.460 case.

00:35:08.440 And look, we can get

00:35:09.740 into the nuts and bolts of

00:35:10.700 why I think it's not

00:35:11.680 actually working at this

00:35:13.580 point, but there's a lot

00:35:15.320 of runway here.

00:35:16.680 I don't think that this is

00:35:17.540 over.

00:35:18.260 Donald Trump is the

00:35:18.840 prohibitive frontrunner,

00:35:20.240 but there's a lot of

00:35:22.280 runway left and there's

00:35:23.400 many, many things that

00:35:24.400 can happen.

00:35:24.920 The one thing that I'm

00:35:25.980 virtually certain is

00:35:26.900 there's no indictment

00:35:28.280 here that is going to

00:35:29.860 recede his political

00:35:31.080 waterline.

00:35:32.340 We've seen it only go up.

00:35:34.100 No, but a conviction is

00:35:35.700 the scary thing.

00:35:36.600 I mean, it's the scary

00:35:37.300 is like there is a very

00:35:38.820 good chance, legally

00:35:40.800 speaking, that Donald

00:35:41.820 Trump will spend the rest

00:35:43.380 of his life in prison.

00:35:44.680 It's outrageous, but there

00:35:46.480 is a very good chance of

00:35:47.680 it, given these these

00:35:49.620 prosecutors who have just

00:35:50.940 made this whole thing

00:35:52.220 political and are doing

00:35:54.080 to him what nobody would

00:35:55.060 do to Hillary Clinton.

00:35:55.860 We're supposed to forget

00:35:56.760 all about her and what

00:35:59.080 nobody will do to Hunter

00:36:00.140 or Joe Biden.

00:36:00.820 So it's very scary for

00:36:02.780 him from a personal

00:36:04.400 perspective, but it also

00:36:05.920 really could wind up.

00:36:08.140 If this Atlanta charge

00:36:09.740 comes that or even if the

00:36:12.160 January 6th federal

00:36:13.060 charges come in D.C., that

00:36:16.220 we could get a trial before

00:36:17.440 November twenty twenty four.

00:36:18.540 And I'm just thinking about

00:36:19.300 the country, you know, I

00:36:20.740 yeah, a comment about

00:36:22.460 whether we should or

00:36:23.480 shouldn't make Trump the

00:36:25.420 Republican nominee.

00:36:26.080 It's just look what these

00:36:27.980 Democrats are doing to the

00:36:28.940 country.

00:36:29.240 They won't let it be a fair

00:36:30.200 fight.

00:36:30.820 They look what they're

00:36:32.300 hanging around.

00:36:33.440 The guy they know is most

00:36:35.000 likely to be the GOP nominee

00:36:36.420 by the day.

00:36:37.640 It's serious.

00:36:38.700 It's dark.

00:36:40.120 And it's the reason why

00:36:42.280 they celebrate things like

00:36:43.460 this New York Times poll,

00:36:44.600 because they think they've

00:36:45.420 got an ace in the hole on

00:36:46.340 Trump.

00:36:47.460 They do.

00:36:47.960 They do.

00:36:48.900 And look, to be fair, he's

00:36:50.300 given them an opera, a lot

00:36:51.460 of opportunity to do this

00:36:52.940 kind of thing to him.

00:36:54.700 Right.

00:36:55.060 I mean, these things are not

00:36:56.660 sort of to be glazed over

00:36:58.920 and pretended they're not

00:36:59.920 serious.

00:37:00.160 Now, there is a very

00:37:01.300 significant double standard

00:37:02.440 that he's encountered that

00:37:03.540 Hillary Clinton and others

00:37:04.740 have not.

00:37:05.340 No question about it.

00:37:06.320 But ultimately, sometime this

00:37:08.040 fall, and as we get closer to

00:37:09.640 the Iowa caucuses, Republican

00:37:11.900 voters will grapple with a

00:37:13.140 question that they haven't

00:37:13.980 grappled with thus far.

00:37:15.180 And it will not be a process

00:37:16.240 question.

00:37:17.040 It will be whether or not

00:37:19.480 you think that Donald Trump

00:37:21.580 can serve and can be elected.

00:37:24.880 elected and there was a lot of

00:37:26.580 discussion about whether he

00:37:27.580 could be elected in January

00:37:28.620 or February last year.

00:37:30.620 Ever since Bragg brought the

00:37:32.520 charges in New York this

00:37:33.980 spring, that question has gone

00:37:36.000 away and people are circling

00:37:37.200 the wagons around Donald Trump.

00:37:38.960 But ultimately, whether or not

00:37:40.900 you think that that Joe Biden

00:37:43.660 deserves another four years is

00:37:45.140 decided somewhat on whether you

00:37:48.320 think Donald Trump is capable of

00:37:49.860 doing that or whether he's going

00:37:51.040 to be convicted of one of these

00:37:52.140 crimes and or whether the center

00:37:54.420 of the electorate that has been

00:37:56.340 a little shy about Trump thinks

00:37:59.440 that somehow this bolsters their

00:38:00.960 case to support him.

00:38:02.120 I would think that there's plenty

00:38:03.380 of evidence to suggest that it

00:38:04.440 does not.

00:38:05.460 And so the electability question

00:38:07.100 will come up.

00:38:09.480 Mm hmm.

00:38:10.000 Oh, my gosh, it's getting so.

00:38:13.200 Uncomfortable, it's getting so

00:38:14.500 bizarre, it's getting so like it

00:38:16.780 just doesn't feel like America to

00:38:18.760 me, it doesn't feel like our

00:38:19.780 country, what these guys are

00:38:20.780 doing and then they have the nerve to

00:38:21.800 go on ABC News and say, oh, the

00:38:24.080 process is just and you can trust

00:38:26.620 it.

00:38:26.880 And the Department of Justice is,

00:38:28.400 you know, Joe Biden's restored

00:38:29.720 its integrity.

00:38:31.160 He actually went on to say that

00:38:32.480 unlike Trump, who weaponized the

00:38:34.460 DOJ.

00:38:35.020 Oh, my God, Holmes, like this is

00:38:36.460 wild without any pushback on

00:38:38.500 ABC.

00:38:39.320 It's horrifying.

00:38:41.140 Mr. Holmes, I will be talking to

00:38:42.600 you before the big debate, but I

00:38:44.200 know the program's going to be

00:38:45.320 there and is going to be doing all

00:38:46.600 sorts of interviews with the

00:38:48.500 candidates before and after.

00:38:49.680 So I'm looking forward to

00:38:50.640 watching that, my friend.

00:38:51.460 We see it before the debate or we

00:38:52.640 see it right after.

00:38:54.160 Yeah.

00:38:54.320 So we're doing a pre-show for the

00:38:56.380 debate, the two hours leading up

00:38:58.160 to it on a rumble platform in the

00:39:00.160 RNC.

00:39:00.640 I thank Chairwoman McDonald so

00:39:02.720 much for having the trust and

00:39:04.660 faith.

00:39:05.280 I mean, you've seen our show, right?

00:39:06.640 It takes some trust to trust us.

00:39:09.240 Has she?

00:39:11.300 Yeah.

00:39:11.720 Well, Ronna has definitely and

00:39:13.580 she's been on a few times.

00:39:14.780 I think she's listened.

00:39:15.960 I know her kid is listen.

00:39:17.340 But but Ronna McDaniel came on

00:39:19.380 very clearly, said you're

00:39:20.820 invited.

00:39:21.600 And so we took her.

00:39:22.440 Awesome.

00:39:22.860 We took her up on it.

00:39:24.600 And we're going to be there.

00:39:25.760 You'll you ask smart questions,

00:39:27.560 but you also have a very nice

00:39:28.740 ability of humanizing these

00:39:30.620 politicians, you know, with

00:39:32.660 humor and just the way you guys

00:39:34.160 approach the news.

00:39:34.800 So that is something I absolutely

00:39:36.260 will watch.

00:39:37.060 And I'm looking forward to.

00:39:38.020 Oh, it's very not very kind of

00:39:39.460 you.

00:39:39.660 Thanks, as always, Megan.

00:39:40.660 You are the absolute best.

00:39:43.160 Likewise.

00:39:43.580 Right back at you.

00:39:44.360 All right.

00:39:44.580 See you soon.

00:39:45.580 And we will be right back with

00:39:47.480 Jonathan Isaac, that huge

00:39:50.700 basketball star who stood up

00:39:52.580 against the nonsense and now is

00:39:54.260 trying to help us all with some

00:39:56.480 non woke sports apparel.

00:39:59.380 Of course, he's upset the left.

00:40:00.740 Yes.

00:40:01.040 Yet again, we'll look forward to

00:40:02.900 that discussion.

00:40:07.420 Now is Orlando magic power

00:40:10.160 forward Jonathan Isaac.

00:40:12.380 Jonathan made headlines.

00:40:13.540 You may remember this back in

00:40:14.980 2020 when he was the only

00:40:16.860 player on his team to stand

00:40:18.900 during the national anthem and

00:40:20.820 not wear a BLM shirt.

00:40:23.240 We had him on last year to

00:40:24.380 discuss his amazing book.

00:40:25.980 Why I stand, which is a must

00:40:28.620 read.

00:40:29.500 Now he's back again as he puts

00:40:30.760 his words into action again,

00:40:32.960 launching a new sports brand

00:40:34.900 called Unite Us as a values

00:40:37.180 based alternative to woke sports

00:40:39.420 companies.

00:40:40.960 Jonathan, welcome back.

00:40:42.120 They say necessity is the mother

00:40:44.180 of all invention.

00:40:45.400 And this seems to be exactly

00:40:48.260 what led to Unite Us.

00:40:49.680 I am sick, sick, sick of the

00:40:52.640 Nike and Adidas sports brands

00:40:54.680 shoveling their woke ideology

00:40:57.040 down our throat and then going to

00:40:58.200 the sports store and seeing almost

00:41:00.300 no alternatives to them.

00:41:01.980 Absolutely.

00:41:02.560 Megan, thank you so much for having

00:41:03.600 me.

00:41:03.900 I appreciate it.

00:41:04.700 Like you said, I was here a little

00:41:05.600 while ago and I'd agree with you.

00:41:07.880 I think that the time has come

00:41:09.620 and even that quote, I haven't

00:41:10.880 heard that, but I love that quote

00:41:12.540 about necessity.

00:41:14.540 And that's what Unite Us was for

00:41:15.640 me.

00:41:16.180 At the end of the day, very

00:41:17.220 simply, values matter.

00:41:19.680 What people believe matters and it

00:41:21.800 tells you a little bit about them.

00:41:23.380 And so when we give our money to

00:41:24.620 companies and we find out what

00:41:26.200 these companies stand for and

00:41:27.620 believe, we co-sign them by giving

00:41:30.020 them our money.

00:41:31.020 And so what I wanted to do was take

00:41:32.340 the values that I hold dear and I

00:41:34.020 stand for, which are faith, family,

00:41:36.100 and freedom and a plethora of other

00:41:37.420 ones, but pretty much put that into

00:41:39.400 apparel, sportswear, leisure

00:41:41.360 wear and give people the freedom

00:41:43.240 and alternative to buy with their

00:41:44.840 values.

00:41:46.280 It's such a good idea.

00:41:47.220 So how do you make sure that it's,

00:41:50.060 you know, it covers everything like

00:41:51.220 we need sneakers and we need

00:41:52.780 athletic wear and we need, you

00:41:55.360 know, stretchy pants for us

00:41:57.200 ladies.

00:41:57.580 Like you got to cover it all.

00:41:58.780 So how are you making sure that

00:41:59.800 it's all quality and you've got it

00:42:00.880 all covered?

00:42:02.120 Well, it takes time.

00:42:03.300 It takes a lot of time.

00:42:04.280 I am doing this by myself for now.

00:42:06.460 But we're going to start with just

00:42:07.860 leisure wear.

00:42:08.400 So we are live right now.

00:42:10.060 You can head to weareunitas.com

00:42:11.680 and we have our first capsule of

00:42:13.440 leisure wear merch, which is a

00:42:15.380 sweater, a hoodie, T-shirt,

00:42:17.440 sweatpants, things like that.

00:42:18.760 And we have big plan to diversify

00:42:21.040 and go from young to old, all of

00:42:23.400 that.

00:42:23.580 We have youth merch as well on the

00:42:24.800 website right now.

00:42:25.740 But again, plans to do big things

00:42:27.660 and pretty much be a one-stop shop

00:42:30.180 for everything that you would need

00:42:31.560 from a sportswear and leisure

00:42:32.620 wear perspective.

00:42:33.680 I'm going to be wearing my own

00:42:34.860 sneaker called the Unitas Judah

00:42:36.300 One this upcoming season.

00:42:37.740 And those are going to be live in a

00:42:39.060 few months for purchase.

00:42:40.880 And we want to get into, again,

00:42:42.160 every sphere of sportswear and

00:42:44.120 leisure wear that you can think of.

00:42:45.420 And we want to do it in the best of

00:42:47.260 ways, high quality and, you know,

00:42:48.900 things that people can believe in.

00:42:50.500 Give us the website again so people

00:42:52.000 who want to support you can do it.

00:42:53.840 The website is called

00:42:54.880 weareunitas.com.

00:42:57.000 U-N-I-T-U-S is Unitas.

00:42:59.660 And you can head to Instagram,

00:43:01.260 Twitter.

00:43:01.700 Weareunitas as well.

00:43:03.680 Yes, I will.

00:43:05.000 I'm going to do that.

00:43:06.000 I'm going to help you promote the

00:43:06.980 brand because I so believe in this.

00:43:09.300 I wonder what the reaction has been

00:43:11.000 amongst, you know, your fellow

00:43:13.240 players and the fans.

00:43:14.980 You know, I don't I don't really

00:43:16.380 understand the politics of,

00:43:18.340 you know, sports fans because I'm

00:43:20.240 not really a sports person.

00:43:21.160 So is it is it a woke crowd?

00:43:22.920 Do you think they'll welcome this or

00:43:24.240 are they more, you know, woke and

00:43:26.380 they're going to be like, ah, his

00:43:27.720 boo.

00:43:28.060 No.

00:43:29.240 Well, everybody's different.

00:43:30.380 I've definitely had my fair share of

00:43:32.240 negativity towards the brand and

00:43:34.460 towards the idea.

00:43:35.420 But at the same time, I've had an

00:43:36.780 overwhelming swell of support.

00:43:39.060 And for me, it's about focusing on

00:43:40.420 the positive and, you know, people

00:43:42.080 who disagree.

00:43:42.980 It's not that they disagree with me.

00:43:44.680 It's that they disagree with the

00:43:45.840 values that I hold dear.

00:43:47.120 And I'm not worried about them.

00:43:48.660 I'm worried about uniting the people

00:43:50.500 who do stand up for the values that

00:43:52.200 I believe in and that millions of

00:43:53.580 people across the country believe in

00:43:54.900 no matter what you look like, no

00:43:56.380 matter where you come from.

00:43:57.420 If you understand the necessity and

00:43:59.560 value of faith in Christ,

00:44:02.260 our building and platforming the

00:44:04.900 family unit and then again,

00:44:07.160 focusing on our freedoms,

00:44:08.920 constitutional freedoms, biblical

00:44:10.260 freedoms that are inherently given

00:44:11.860 to us, then Unitas is for you.

00:44:13.820 And if you don't agree with them,

00:44:15.280 then more power to you.

00:44:16.560 The movement isn't about hating

00:44:17.800 anybody.

00:44:18.320 It's not about going against anybody.

00:44:19.780 It is about putting our words into

00:44:21.600 action.

00:44:22.020 And I understand that we could one

00:44:24.820 day get to a place where if you

00:44:26.640 don't believe this or believe that

00:44:28.140 you can't shop here, you can't go

00:44:29.800 here, you can't do this.

00:44:31.320 And if there aren't people who are,

00:44:32.680 you know, putting kind of the feet

00:44:34.760 to the ground and giving people

00:44:36.080 alternatives when that time comes,

00:44:38.340 the only answer for those people is

00:44:39.980 going to be to conform.

00:44:41.100 And so I want to put my foot in the

00:44:43.080 fire and say, you know what, I've

00:44:44.600 kind of been used to standing up for

00:44:46.000 what I believe in and doing it alone

00:44:47.700 in some sense.

00:44:48.820 But I want to unite people

00:44:50.840 and give them courage and confidence

00:44:53.020 that our values are valid.

00:44:54.760 And if they're not going to celebrate

00:44:56.000 them, then we can celebrate them

00:44:57.460 ourselves.

00:44:58.960 Yeah, you're not alone.

00:45:00.000 So when you say you're doing this

00:45:01.020 on your own, do you need

00:45:02.520 financial backing?

00:45:03.740 Because, you know, there are a lot

00:45:05.120 of very well-off people who share

00:45:07.140 your values entirely, and I'm sure

00:45:08.900 would love to get behind this

00:45:10.380 financially.

00:45:11.740 Well, absolutely.

00:45:12.760 At this point in time,

00:45:14.340 we're OK.

00:45:15.280 But when we get to the point where,

00:45:16.580 again, talking about those big

00:45:17.880 dreams of scaling and being

00:45:19.700 able to sponsor entire

00:45:21.680 college teams and universities

00:45:23.460 and high schools and everything

00:45:24.720 like that, you know, we'll have

00:45:26.320 that conversation.

00:45:27.360 But that time is coming.

00:45:28.700 But we're very excited.

00:45:29.940 We're doing very well with the

00:45:30.960 launch.

00:45:31.400 And I just want to continue to grow

00:45:32.860 and, again, hit those different

00:45:34.200 spheres of influence from all the

00:45:36.120 different sports realms to

00:45:37.560 different influencers and just,

00:45:39.040 you know, get this thing out there

00:45:40.540 in front of people's eyes.

00:45:42.420 Now, there's so much I want to

00:45:44.240 talk to you about.

00:45:45.020 Charles Barkley was in the

00:45:46.260 news, ripping on people who are

00:45:48.000 critical of Bud Light.

00:45:49.420 The U.S.

00:45:49.900 women's soccer team refuses to

00:45:51.800 sing or put their hands over

00:45:53.500 their heart in unison for the

00:45:55.480 national anthem.

00:45:55.900 But before we get to all that,

00:45:57.580 I do want to ask you how you're

00:45:59.220 doing, because I know you had some

00:46:00.660 gnarly hamstring injury and I am

00:46:03.200 such a whiner.

00:46:04.380 I I had like a bone spur in my

00:46:07.460 shoulder.

00:46:07.920 I've been whining about it for three

00:46:09.580 years.

00:46:10.500 What happened to your hamstring?

00:46:12.800 Because it sounds like you managed

00:46:14.260 to overcome it and you're going

00:46:15.300 back out there now.

00:46:16.840 Yeah, yeah.

00:46:17.100 I had a little tweak, but I'm good.

00:46:18.780 I'm 100 percent.

00:46:20.260 This is my first summer of really

00:46:21.720 being able to put in work and I'm

00:46:23.200 excited for the Orlando Magic and

00:46:25.220 what we're going to be able to do

00:46:25.960 this upcoming season.

00:46:27.740 Did you have to have a surgery on it?

00:46:30.400 I did.

00:46:30.920 I did.

00:46:31.320 I had to have a minor surgery.

00:46:33.040 But again, I'm Megan.

00:46:34.440 I appreciate you.

00:46:35.720 You know, when you talk about the

00:46:36.540 hamstring, it's like the Achilles

00:46:37.760 tendon.

00:46:38.280 You just don't want anybody messing

00:46:39.260 with it.

00:46:39.840 You don't want anything to go wrong

00:46:40.780 with it.

00:46:41.560 But I know you're a professional

00:46:42.520 athlete, so it's like you these

00:46:44.200 injuries are going to come and you

00:46:45.160 guys heal up so fast because you're

00:46:47.020 just in such good shape going into

00:46:48.440 these things.

00:46:48.860 So good on you.

00:46:50.260 We're excited to see you back out on

00:46:51.720 the court.

00:46:52.240 I mean, not me personally, since I

00:46:53.340 don't watch basketball, but my my

00:46:55.320 sons and my husband, all the people

00:46:57.780 we're going to do so well.

00:46:59.140 We're going to get you to watch.

00:47:00.520 We're going to get you maybe get you

00:47:01.600 out to a game.

00:47:02.260 Who knows?

00:47:02.800 You never know.

00:47:03.580 That'd be fun.

00:47:04.900 OK.

00:47:05.220 If it's to watch you, I will do

00:47:07.040 that.

00:47:07.720 All right.

00:47:08.180 When we come back, we're going to

00:47:09.040 discuss those subjects that I just

00:47:10.780 mentioned.

00:47:11.900 What does Jonathan Isaac think of

00:47:13.660 Charles Barkley calling everybody

00:47:15.020 losers and other choice words if

00:47:18.780 they don't support the boycott

00:47:20.120 against Bud Light?

00:47:21.560 We'll ask him and then an update on

00:47:23.360 our disgraceful women's team.

00:47:25.300 And don't forget, folks, if you

00:47:26.520 would like more of the Megan Kelly

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00:47:49.420 and ninety five shows.

00:47:50.800 If you go and listen to Friday's

00:47:52.880 episode, which is on fire, you will

00:47:55.600 hear my full interview with Governor

00:47:58.160 Ron DeSantis getting so much great

00:48:00.340 feedback from all of you on it.

00:48:02.240 So many of you wrote in with

00:48:03.300 suggested questions, some of which

00:48:04.860 worked their way into my outline,

00:48:07.160 not the exact wording than the

00:48:08.620 thought and now getting all sorts

00:48:11.300 of feedback from you guys.

00:48:12.080 So I read it all and I love hearing

00:48:13.820 from you.

00:48:17.520 So, Jonathan, let me ask you about

00:48:19.020 one of the one of a very famous

00:48:20.840 basketball player who's been in the

00:48:22.020 news for his health this week.

00:48:24.300 Bronny James, the son of LeBron

00:48:26.700 James and a star in his own right,

00:48:28.800 collapsed a week ago today while I

00:48:32.680 think practicing.

00:48:33.440 He was at the sports center and we

00:48:35.600 now have the 9-1-1 call.

00:48:37.020 Just absolutely chilling.

00:48:39.260 Amazing.

00:48:39.660 I want to start with this.

00:48:40.320 He's he appears to be OK.

00:48:41.520 He's out of the hospital.

00:48:42.400 I'll show you the new video of him.

00:48:43.580 Thank God.

00:48:44.520 Here's the 9-1-1 call of what

00:48:46.520 happened after he collapsed.

00:48:47.720 So, I mean, this is a very young

00:49:05.300 man and by the grace of God, he

00:49:08.040 was he collapsed for cardiac arrest

00:49:10.000 last Monday.

00:49:11.780 And by this weekend, LeBron

00:49:14.300 released the following video of

00:49:16.660 him. He's out of the hospital and

00:49:17.760 look at him.

00:49:38.660 Oh, my God.

00:49:42.900 I mean, to me, that looks like a

00:49:44.140 miracle. He's 18 years old.

00:49:45.640 He plays college at USC, college

00:49:47.340 ball.

00:49:48.520 This is scary because any young

00:49:51.400 athlete worries about this kind of

00:49:53.800 thing. I know people have

00:49:54.700 speculated, is it the vaccine?

00:49:56.000 We're not going to do that.

00:49:57.080 But any young athlete has to worry

00:49:59.300 about just the extraordinarily

00:50:00.980 taxing, you know, number of

00:50:03.280 practices and just how much you

00:50:05.260 press your bodies.

00:50:07.520 And in particular, when it comes to

00:50:09.420 young men in heart health, we have

00:50:11.280 seen a rash of incidents.

00:50:14.380 And it's alarming to me as a mother

00:50:16.460 of two boys, never mind it, I'm

00:50:17.900 sure, to somebody like you who's

00:50:18.920 actually in basketball full time.

00:50:20.960 What do you make of this whole

00:50:21.680 thing?

00:50:23.660 Well, I think for starters, just

00:50:24.980 saying, like you said, praise God

00:50:26.240 that he's OK.

00:50:27.500 I know I have and many of people

00:50:29.820 across America have been praying for

00:50:31.240 not just Brownie, but LeBron and his

00:50:32.940 family. So I'm grateful to see him

00:50:34.780 back doing what he does and able to

00:50:37.480 play the piano and all that.

00:50:38.240 That's great.

00:50:39.220 It is terribly scary.

00:50:40.280 I had when I was at when I was at

00:50:42.940 Florida State, I had a teammate.

00:50:44.140 His name was Ojo, and he actually

00:50:46.640 passed away because of a cardiac

00:50:49.460 arrest moment after I had already

00:50:52.120 left. I had been with him with the

00:50:53.620 magic, I think, a year or two.

00:50:55.700 And it was right around the time of,

00:50:57.600 you know, you know, the COVID

00:50:58.540 outbreak and everything.

00:50:59.520 And he had he had a heart issue and

00:51:02.100 ended up dying.

00:51:02.820 And so it's near and dear to me.

00:51:04.800 And it's just, you know, who knows?

00:51:06.780 I just I'm glad that he's OK.

00:51:08.440 And I have heard and seen, you

00:51:11.320 know, stories of an uptick in

00:51:13.060 athletes, you know, struggling with

00:51:14.700 this and, you know, where it comes

00:51:16.440 from. Everybody's speculating and

00:51:17.920 things like that. But I'm just

00:51:18.800 grateful that that Brownie's OK.

00:51:21.100 It's to me, it's it's like we

00:51:23.340 featured about a year ago, our

00:51:25.560 family friends, the Barkledges and

00:51:27.740 the loss of their son, Blake, at age

00:51:29.280 17, who died.

00:51:32.440 Similarly, he had like he just

00:51:34.400 dropped, dropped and it turned out

00:51:36.900 he he had myocarditis and the

00:51:40.420 family said very openly they had no

00:51:42.800 idea whether it was caused by

00:51:44.600 COVID, by the COVID vaccine, by

00:51:47.400 something unrelated.

00:51:48.540 They really couldn't tell any of

00:51:50.540 that. But they are big proponents

00:51:53.260 now of getting screened and they

00:51:55.160 work with this group called Simon's

00:51:56.600 Heart, which I recommend to everyone

00:51:57.960 listening, Simon's Heart, which will

00:51:59.140 come into your sports organization

00:52:01.020 or your school or your MBA, you

00:52:03.220 know, team and do heart

00:52:05.560 screenings. And they do find

00:52:07.620 abnormality sometimes. You know, it's

00:52:09.140 like like a lot of times you're out

00:52:10.360 there. You don't know if you've got

00:52:11.480 something or maybe heart damage from

00:52:13.400 something, whether it's myocarditis or

00:52:14.820 something like to me, it's just a

00:52:16.980 reminder that you cannot be too

00:52:18.940 careful, even if you're a young man.

00:52:21.060 As you point out, we see it too

00:52:23.120 frequently. And I like you. I'm not a

00:52:24.680 big LeBron James fan because I don't

00:52:26.800 like his woke messaging.

00:52:28.260 But God bless him and his son that

00:52:30.320 all this is goes well beyond any of

00:52:31.820 those nonsense debates, you know?

00:52:35.040 Absolutely.

00:52:36.800 OK, but the women's soccer team is a

00:52:38.620 different story. They're about to

00:52:40.080 take a hit.

00:52:42.320 They are embarrassing

00:52:44.960 us. That's what I think, Jonathan.

00:52:47.040 They're embarrassing us time

00:52:48.920 after time. First, they go up against

00:52:50.660 the Vietnamese. The Vietnamese sing

00:52:52.120 their anthem loud and proud.

00:52:53.860 There are women who could barely find

00:52:55.180 a mumble. Maybe two or three tried

00:52:56.960 to find a mumble of a few of our

00:52:58.500 lyrics and at least half

00:53:00.540 didn't even have their hands on

00:53:01.580 their heart. Now they go out again

00:53:03.080 against. It was the Dutch, right?

00:53:05.440 And the Dutch are singing it loud and

00:53:07.320 singing it proud.

00:53:08.400 Their anthem. Once again, there's our

00:53:10.640 ladies phoning it in.

00:53:12.000 They could barely spare a word

00:53:13.240 there. They don't care to represent

00:53:15.500 the United States with any sort of

00:53:17.000 pride. And so I've been asking, what

00:53:18.740 are they doing there then?

00:53:19.820 Why go out there?

00:53:20.940 Only a couple put their hands on the

00:53:22.240 heart and only in fewer

00:53:23.400 actually managed to sing a lyric or

00:53:25.280 two is the one guy who actually

00:53:26.620 refused to take a knee when our

00:53:28.600 national anthem played.

00:53:30.020 What do you make of this?

00:53:32.160 Well, I do think it sucks.

00:53:33.960 I think it is telling about where we

00:53:35.780 are as a country.

00:53:37.360 And kind of the first thing that comes

00:53:38.800 to my mind is, you know, the people

00:53:40.940 who are playing for these other

00:53:42.080 countries, you know, their countries

00:53:43.800 that they live in aren't perfect and

00:53:45.720 no country is.

00:53:46.760 And if you would compare some of the

00:53:48.720 things that go on in our country and

00:53:50.320 some of the things that go on in

00:53:51.160 these other countries, you would

00:53:52.600 think that it would be the other

00:53:53.440 way around because of, you know,

00:53:55.660 how great the U.S.

00:53:57.280 is overall.

00:53:59.220 Obviously, the U.S.

00:54:00.020 has had downfalls and, you know, a

00:54:02.380 history that isn't spectacular.

00:54:04.520 But one of the things that my pastor

00:54:06.000 always says about us as individuals

00:54:07.560 is that we haven't done everything

00:54:09.640 right, but we haven't done everything

00:54:11.540 wrong either.

00:54:12.560 And that is the lens that I try my

00:54:13.840 best to see America through.

00:54:15.240 Yes, America has had, again, its

00:54:16.380 downfalls and its pitfalls, but it

00:54:17.960 hasn't done everything wrong.

00:54:19.120 We wouldn't be where we are today if

00:54:20.600 America did everything wrong.

00:54:21.980 And I just think that it's not a it's

00:54:23.820 not a bad thing to have pride in your

00:54:26.100 country and where you were born or

00:54:27.940 where you come from or anything like

00:54:29.200 that. I think it's normal.

00:54:30.420 I think it's natural.

00:54:31.520 And I think it is something that we

00:54:32.980 should we should do.

00:54:34.600 We should understand that being

00:54:36.100 American, Americans binds us

00:54:38.100 together.

00:54:38.740 And we are the experiment that can

00:54:40.980 take people from all over the world

00:54:43.740 and give them a message and a

00:54:46.240 meaning of what it means to be

00:54:47.580 American and have them pursue

00:54:49.880 their dreams.

00:54:50.860 And I think that's something

00:54:51.500 beautiful and something that we

00:54:52.680 should take pride in.

00:54:54.040 And so, you know, for me, standing

00:54:55.720 in the bubble wasn't completely

00:54:57.060 about the flag or about America.

00:54:58.940 It was more so about using that

00:55:00.680 platform to to share the gospel

00:55:02.660 for what I thought was the real

00:55:03.920 antidote for the problems that we

00:55:05.300 see.

00:55:05.920 But at the same time, I wanted to

00:55:07.520 show pride that, you know, I don't

00:55:09.360 think it's the right thing to kneel

00:55:10.480 for the national anthem in that

00:55:11.980 moment.

00:55:12.280 And so, you know, I would I would

00:55:14.280 say it would it would only benefit

00:55:16.260 us for them to do the right thing

00:55:17.940 and to share, you know, their

00:55:19.940 pride.

00:55:20.280 But at the same time, the America

00:55:22.020 that they live in affords them the

00:55:23.820 freedom to go and not sing the

00:55:25.960 national anthem or put their hands

00:55:27.240 over their heart.

00:55:28.220 And again, I think that speaks to

00:55:29.560 how great America is.

00:55:31.600 I just think of, you know, all the

00:55:33.120 guys every Memorial Day, we do an

00:55:35.340 in-depth piece with a veteran who,

00:55:38.720 you know, who's been out there

00:55:39.500 serving our country just to remind

00:55:40.680 people, what are we remembering

00:55:42.460 on Memorial Day?

00:55:43.440 What are we actually supposed to be

00:55:44.280 thinking about?

00:55:45.060 And I think about somebody like

00:55:46.320 Marcus Luttrell, who, thank God,

00:55:47.620 is alive and survived his lone

00:55:49.500 survivor ordeal, which was so

00:55:51.080 traumatic and harrowing that

00:55:53.080 they've made books and movies

00:55:54.040 about it.

00:55:54.520 But I think about him.

00:55:56.460 Get get up.

00:55:57.600 You put your hand over your heart

00:55:58.620 and you sing because the United

00:56:00.320 States of America produced a man

00:56:01.900 like that, along with his twin

00:56:03.380 brother.

00:56:04.120 And they're out there serving us

00:56:06.020 still in different ways.

00:56:07.840 That's why you put your hand over

00:56:09.120 your heart and you sing the

00:56:10.000 national anthem.

00:56:10.720 It's not about you and your petty

00:56:12.580 grievances.

00:56:13.640 And these women, Jonathan, I

00:56:15.040 looked it up.

00:56:15.960 Megan Rapinoe is on the bench

00:56:17.340 because she can't quite make the

00:56:18.580 starting lineup this year.

00:56:19.780 But she made seven million

00:56:21.660 dollars last year.

00:56:22.600 She's chief.

00:56:23.360 She's kneeler in chief.

00:56:24.780 She said she'll never sing the

00:56:25.720 national anthem again for the

00:56:27.160 country that paid her seven

00:56:28.460 million dollars just last year

00:56:29.680 alone.

00:56:30.100 Never mind what she makes every

00:56:31.020 other year.

00:56:31.680 Trinity Rodman's out there.

00:56:32.840 She's on the U.S.

00:56:33.380 women's soccer team.

00:56:34.380 She's Dennis Rodman's daughter,

00:56:35.560 though apparently they don't have

00:56:36.500 much of a relationship last year

00:56:38.420 alone.

00:56:38.920 Two point three million

00:56:40.340 dollars.

00:56:41.280 She's not grateful.

00:56:42.100 She doesn't appreciate the

00:56:42.900 country that created the

00:56:43.760 environment, the capitalist world

00:56:45.020 in which she was able to earn

00:56:46.380 that both on the field and off

00:56:47.900 thanks to all the endorsements

00:56:48.920 she's gotten at age

00:56:50.760 twenty one.

00:56:52.440 You know what sliver of twenty

00:56:53.800 one year olds in America have

00:56:54.900 made two million two point

00:56:56.600 three in the past year.

00:56:58.020 Almost none.

00:56:59.180 But she's not grateful, Jonathan.

00:57:00.440 She's angry.

00:57:01.260 She's angry at the country.

00:57:02.640 So is Crystal Dunn.

00:57:03.700 Two million last year.

00:57:04.940 Same thing.

00:57:05.580 Couldn't muster the ability

00:57:07.680 to honor our country.

00:57:09.040 Neither could Sophia Smith.

00:57:10.220 Same thing.

00:57:10.780 Two million dollars

00:57:12.060 just last year.

00:57:14.400 These girls are twenty to

00:57:15.860 twenty one.

00:57:17.920 I I find it disgusting

00:57:19.800 and I feel like it's part of

00:57:21.480 what we're doing to young

00:57:22.900 people today, Jonathan.

00:57:23.780 We have too few Jonathan Isaacs

00:57:25.460 and too many, you know,

00:57:27.160 sports stars who want to shame

00:57:28.880 the country and lead these

00:57:30.320 up and comers to believe

00:57:31.380 it's the cool thing to do.

00:57:34.880 Yeah, it's unfortunate, Megan.

00:57:36.620 I agree.

00:57:38.040 It is very unfortunate.

00:57:38.900 And I think about what

00:57:40.780 what we could be,

00:57:42.380 you know, as as a unified

00:57:44.740 America where, again,

00:57:46.320 everyone understands

00:57:47.620 that America hasn't done

00:57:49.040 everything right, but everyone

00:57:50.180 takes pride in the fact that

00:57:51.480 they have done some things

00:57:52.620 right and are continuing to

00:57:53.740 move in a better

00:57:54.980 direction for everybody.

00:57:57.220 And so what would it look

00:57:58.220 like if we were able to

00:57:59.080 truly band together

00:58:00.060 everyone white, black and

00:58:02.080 different from different

00:58:02.900 ethnicities and backgrounds

00:58:04.840 and share that

00:58:06.240 American dream, that

00:58:07.540 American pride, that

00:58:08.280 American vision?

00:58:09.260 You know, what a force we

00:58:09.980 would be for the world.

00:58:11.080 I think about that.

00:58:12.120 But I think more so, again,

00:58:13.580 it comes down to America

00:58:15.280 going through a spiritual

00:58:16.640 battle that is overtaking

00:58:18.920 our youth, that is

00:58:19.600 overtaking our country.

00:58:20.500 And I think, you know,

00:58:21.760 initiatives like, you know,

00:58:22.740 that I'm trying to start and

00:58:23.600 other people are trying to

00:58:24.500 start as well are trying to

00:58:26.020 best to push back against

00:58:27.080 that and hopefully instill

00:58:28.800 that American pride and

00:58:30.160 steal those values, those

00:58:31.340 constitutional values that

00:58:32.940 has made America great.

00:58:34.540 Yes, that's right.

00:58:35.620 And to remind people like

00:58:36.980 protest is fine, but

00:58:38.560 remember who you're

00:58:39.320 representing.

00:58:40.100 Remember in this role.

00:58:41.100 I mean, to me, it's you

00:58:42.240 want to go out there and

00:58:42.980 protest, you know, America,

00:58:44.420 you want to march with BLM.

00:58:45.920 OK, you want to march with

00:58:47.840 the Women's March.

00:58:48.780 OK, even though that's not

00:58:50.640 what they stand.

00:58:51.200 They're not for women.

00:58:52.060 They're for an entirely

00:58:52.740 different agenda.

00:58:54.100 But when you're out there

00:58:55.440 representing the United

00:58:56.840 States of America, stand

00:58:58.840 up, put your hand on your

00:59:00.720 heart and sing, sing.

00:59:03.400 Don't embarrass us.

00:59:04.560 Don't embarrass our country

00:59:05.480 and don't dishonor the

00:59:07.360 people who have served this

00:59:08.300 country and given literally

00:59:09.580 everything so that those

00:59:11.020 stars and stripes could be

00:59:11.960 waving over their heads.

00:59:12.900 Charles Barkley, I mentioned

00:59:15.860 it, and I'm so surprised

00:59:16.780 to see him do this guy.

00:59:17.660 He was like more of a voice

00:59:19.020 of reason on a lot of

00:59:20.920 these debates.

00:59:21.840 But he went off the rails

00:59:23.560 on this whole Bud Light

00:59:24.760 controversy that genuinely

00:59:26.340 has people upset for very

00:59:27.740 good reason.

00:59:28.940 And just as a reminder,

00:59:30.020 here's what he said

00:59:31.300 recently when he was at

00:59:32.460 some comedy show saying

00:59:34.180 he was going to buy Bud

00:59:34.980 Light for everyone.

00:59:37.040 I'm going to buy some

00:59:38.280 drinks for y'all.

00:59:40.880 And I'm about Bud Light.

00:59:42.900 Hey, and let me tell you

00:59:46.900 something.

00:59:47.980 All you rednecks or

00:59:49.780 assholes who don't want

00:59:51.540 to break Bud Light,

00:59:52.880 fuck y'all.

00:59:54.060 I ain't worried about

00:59:55.140 getting canceled.

00:59:56.320 Because let me tell you

00:59:57.020 something.

00:59:57.260 If y'all fire me and

00:59:58.220 give me all that money,

00:59:59.360 I'm going to be playing

01:00:00.180 golf every fucking day.

01:00:01.900 If you're gay, God bless

01:00:04.280 you.

01:00:05.200 If you're trans, God bless

01:00:07.500 you.

01:00:08.080 And if you have a problem

01:00:09.440 with them, fuck you.

01:00:12.900 What do you make of the

01:00:13.740 way he framed that issue?

01:00:17.700 Well, I, I, my gripe

01:00:20.460 isn't even necessarily with

01:00:22.200 Charles Barkley when it

01:00:23.340 comes to that conversation.

01:00:25.860 Um, do I think he was

01:00:26.740 wrong on what he said?

01:00:27.500 I do.

01:00:28.240 Um, but my gripe is more

01:00:29.320 so with the narrative,

01:00:30.580 um, that's being played

01:00:32.400 out in not just this

01:00:33.940 conversation, but all the

01:00:35.060 conversations that are

01:00:36.040 kind of our forefront

01:00:36.940 polarizing media

01:00:38.360 conversations, which is if

01:00:40.300 you have any pushback, any

01:00:42.620 concern, any hesitation

01:00:44.500 for not jumping on board

01:00:46.600 with any of the

01:00:47.480 ideologies or movements

01:00:48.740 that are going on today

01:00:49.900 that you are rooted in

01:00:51.900 hatred.

01:00:52.780 Um, and I think that

01:00:53.700 couldn't be farther from

01:00:54.900 the truth.

01:00:55.300 Do I think some people do

01:00:56.440 hate other people?

01:00:57.640 Yes.

01:00:58.520 Um, but I don't think

01:00:59.340 that's the majority of

01:01:00.240 people in our country or

01:01:01.480 Americans for that matter.

01:01:02.860 And I think that these

01:01:04.060 narratives are framed that

01:01:05.260 way because they're easy

01:01:06.820 to attack, right?

01:01:07.980 It's, it's easy to say

01:01:08.960 if you, if you don't

01:01:10.000 like this, you don't

01:01:10.580 like that, then, you

01:01:11.340 know, F you, you, you

01:01:12.260 hate people.

01:01:13.040 But I do think that there

01:01:14.340 is valid room for concern

01:01:16.260 for parents, for adults,

01:01:18.220 um, for, for anybody who

01:01:19.740 is concerned about their

01:01:20.620 children, who is concerned

01:01:22.440 about the children who are

01:01:23.500 going through, um, such a

01:01:25.800 deep identity crisis that

01:01:27.340 we are seeing, especially

01:01:28.400 in that movement in our

01:01:29.380 country.

01:01:29.860 I think people are

01:01:30.860 concerned about truth and

01:01:32.520 where truth stands when it

01:01:33.760 comes to this conversation.

01:01:34.980 People are concerned about

01:01:36.100 women and women's sports,

01:01:37.260 girls' sports,

01:01:37.980 and more, you know,

01:01:38.740 particular.

01:01:39.460 And I think those are

01:01:40.260 valid concerns.

01:01:41.040 So I, I just, I disagree

01:01:42.220 with the narrative that if

01:01:43.340 you have, if everybody

01:01:45.220 who boycotted Bud Light,

01:01:47.120 it's because they hate

01:01:48.040 people.

01:01:48.540 And I don't think that's

01:01:49.700 the truth.

01:01:50.060 I think that's the easy

01:01:50.900 narrative to attack.

01:01:52.180 But when you actually talk

01:01:53.200 to people, when you hear

01:01:54.020 about the concerns for

01:01:55.440 where our country is headed,

01:01:57.060 um, they are valid

01:01:58.200 concerns.

01:01:58.700 And, and that's what I

01:01:59.580 would say.

01:02:00.960 What do you make of the

01:02:01.800 rash of men declaring

01:02:03.980 themselves trans entering

01:02:06.020 women's sports?

01:02:07.460 I mean, well, how do you

01:02:09.140 think you'd do if you did

01:02:10.260 a game in the WNBA?

01:02:13.540 Well, me, me, I, I,

01:02:14.740 no, I, I dominate.

01:02:16.240 Um, I, I think that, I

01:02:18.060 think, I think, again, it

01:02:18.940 speaks to a, a, a

01:02:21.120 spiritual, um, lack, a

01:02:24.660 spiritual yearning and a

01:02:25.680 spiritual battle that's

01:02:26.660 going on, you know, within

01:02:27.740 our country where people are

01:02:28.980 looking for identity and

01:02:30.740 meaning and things outside of

01:02:32.780 God, outside of, um, who

01:02:34.500 they were made to be.

01:02:35.700 And I think that the, the,

01:02:37.540 also the narrative that the,

01:02:39.280 that only one side has

01:02:40.700 compassion.

01:02:41.500 I think that is where I

01:02:43.420 draw the line as well.

01:02:44.440 I think that, um, you know,

01:02:46.220 it's, it said, you know,

01:02:46.960 one side hates you and the

01:02:48.020 other side is this

01:02:48.780 compassionate or affirming

01:02:50.020 person, but I don't think

01:02:51.580 always affirming everything

01:02:52.800 is always the

01:02:53.800 compassionate thing.

01:02:54.780 I think compassionate people

01:02:56.280 are truthful and honest and

01:02:58.080 can walk people through what

01:02:59.240 they're going through in

01:03:00.720 truth and love.

01:03:01.540 I think that compassionate

01:03:02.500 and so, um, that would be my

01:03:04.520 stance on that issue.

01:03:05.800 Uh, I, I think it is

01:03:06.860 unfortunate.

01:03:07.460 I think it is telling of a

01:03:08.500 deeper issue that's going on

01:03:09.680 in our country spiritually

01:03:10.760 first.

01:03:11.780 Um, and if we don't continue

01:03:13.660 to stand for truth and

01:03:14.840 continue to, um, offer a

01:03:17.220 different voice and a

01:03:18.480 different alternative to

01:03:19.320 what's going on, then it'll

01:03:20.180 continue to, to take, to

01:03:21.740 take us over.

01:03:23.000 I mean, what do you, like

01:03:24.380 we had the head of the

01:03:25.940 human rights campaign in

01:03:28.240 congressional testimony,

01:03:29.400 try to laugh at the note,

01:03:31.500 the notion that men have

01:03:32.920 any sort of athletic

01:03:34.240 inherent athletic

01:03:35.200 advantage over women.

01:03:37.080 And I feel like basketball

01:03:38.620 is a great sport to put the

01:03:40.820 lie to that.

01:03:41.580 I mean, I just, as you

01:03:42.480 know, I'm not a sports

01:03:43.080 person, but I looked it up

01:03:44.060 the number one, um, of the

01:03:46.160 top 25 players on the

01:03:48.240 female side, WNBA in 2023

01:03:50.120 is Brianna Stewart.

01:03:51.880 Now, how do you think

01:03:53.000 Brianna Stewart would do if

01:03:55.600 she spent a season with the

01:03:57.220 magic?

01:03:57.520 It'd be difficult.

01:04:00.540 It would be, you know, I'm

01:04:01.660 not necessarily here to

01:04:02.740 hate on Brianna, but she,

01:04:03.820 she, she wouldn't be able

01:04:05.020 to, um, to play with us.

01:04:06.940 I think she's a great

01:04:07.620 player.

01:04:08.400 Um, you know, for women,

01:04:09.420 I think the, the reason why

01:04:11.120 we have women's sports in the

01:04:12.520 first place is to create

01:04:14.320 that divide between men and

01:04:15.500 women, because it is an

01:04:17.000 unfair playing field when it

01:04:18.700 comes to how we were made

01:04:20.640 and how we are genetically

01:04:21.760 and physically.

01:04:22.640 I just think that's, I

01:04:24.060 think that's reasonable and

01:04:25.260 truthful and honest.

01:04:26.120 And I think that we should

01:04:27.440 be trying our best.

01:04:29.360 And again, what we have

01:04:30.680 done to protect women in

01:04:32.300 their sports and allow them

01:04:33.680 the ability to perform

01:04:34.960 against each other on an

01:04:36.080 even playing field.

01:04:37.140 Um, and that's what has

01:04:38.240 produced things like the

01:04:39.460 NBA, which is, you know,

01:04:40.400 which is a great sport and

01:04:41.360 people love to watch it.

01:04:42.260 I think that is a good

01:04:43.760 thing.

01:04:44.640 And so to then try to, um,

01:04:47.240 act like it's not a thing

01:04:48.700 or we didn't start, you

01:04:49.740 know, title nine and things

01:04:51.100 like that for the protection

01:04:52.160 of women and girls sports, um,

01:04:54.060 it's crazy.

01:04:56.560 I wonder if you think it

01:04:57.860 would even be safe, you

01:04:59.160 know, if you took the top

01:05:00.140 female basketball player,

01:05:01.400 whether it's Brianna or

01:05:02.100 somebody else and put her

01:05:03.760 on your team and then, you

01:05:05.580 know, off you went to play

01:05:06.940 in the, whatever tournament

01:05:08.060 would that even be safe?

01:05:10.960 Well, even, even outside of

01:05:12.500 Brianna, again, if you're

01:05:13.880 talking about the, the best

01:05:15.440 of the best, right, you're

01:05:16.220 talking about the best

01:05:17.140 female, you know, WNBA

01:05:19.120 players.

01:05:19.700 Um, you know, you know,

01:05:21.580 I'm sure that they play

01:05:22.520 pickup with guys all the

01:05:23.820 time.

01:05:24.540 Again, I don't think that it

01:05:25.380 would work out with the

01:05:26.180 NBA, but that's just the

01:05:27.660 cream of the crop when it

01:05:29.000 comes to women's sports.

01:05:29.960 What about all the other

01:05:31.000 ones?

01:05:31.620 I think that's where the

01:05:32.580 true conversation is with

01:05:33.920 the, with the divide is if

01:05:34.940 you go straight to the

01:05:35.780 extreme with the best

01:05:37.060 female players against the

01:05:37.940 best basketball players,

01:05:38.720 yes, there's going to be a

01:05:39.680 big difference, but how do

01:05:41.160 you, how does that work

01:05:41.980 out as you trickle it down

01:05:42.900 to girls sports and girls

01:05:44.540 were 12 and 15 and 16

01:05:46.460 years old, there really

01:05:47.760 isn't a chance.

01:05:48.760 And so I, I think that

01:05:50.440 again, speaks to the

01:05:51.220 extreme of the difference.

01:05:52.240 I think, you know,

01:05:52.820 obviously the WNBA, there

01:05:53.920 are great players.

01:05:54.780 Um, I don't think that

01:05:55.680 they'd be able to perform

01:05:56.480 on the level that we do.

01:05:57.780 Um, but at the end of

01:05:58.740 the day, it's more so

01:05:59.920 about the girls who are,

01:06:01.020 who just want to play for

01:06:02.000 fun, who just want to go

01:06:03.200 out there and enjoy a

01:06:04.100 sport that is on an even

01:06:05.360 playing field with girls,

01:06:06.360 their age and everything

01:06:07.160 and their size and their

01:06:08.420 ability, just like them.

01:06:09.540 I think they're the ones

01:06:10.440 that are in real

01:06:10.900 jeopardy.

01:06:12.460 It's funny to me because

01:06:13.320 these are all, you know,

01:06:14.640 sweeping rules.

01:06:15.440 And of course there can

01:06:16.000 always be an exception to

01:06:16.840 the rule.

01:06:17.200 You can have an

01:06:17.560 especially slight man and

01:06:19.280 an especially muscly woman.

01:06:21.260 And, and, but we have to

01:06:22.320 go by the rules when we,

01:06:23.520 when we create barriers

01:06:24.620 and safety rules and so

01:06:25.940 on and fairness regulations.

01:06:27.500 But I also think that,

01:06:28.620 you know, if you took 10

01:06:29.920 men and 10 women and put

01:06:31.220 them in a room and there

01:06:32.220 was somebody crying in

01:06:33.700 virtually every instance,

01:06:34.760 the woman could get to

01:06:35.400 the bottom of why

01:06:36.040 fastest.

01:06:36.840 Like we all have different

01:06:39.420 gifts, right?

01:06:42.260 It's like, let's just be

01:06:43.900 honest about them and then

01:06:45.560 create a fair playing

01:06:46.680 system to, to handle it

01:06:48.360 all.

01:06:48.560 I love to hear you speak

01:06:49.360 so frankly about it.

01:06:50.340 Do you feel like, you

01:06:52.340 know, we've seen, we've

01:06:53.040 seen in the basket, in the,

01:06:54.240 in the baseball arena,

01:06:55.200 some guys get basically

01:06:56.240 canceled for agreeing with

01:06:59.020 the Bud Light boycott or

01:07:00.920 for saying some of the

01:07:02.040 things you just said.

01:07:03.780 That guy in the Toronto

01:07:04.760 Blue Jays comes to mind.

01:07:07.100 Is it scary to speak about

01:07:08.680 this issue?

01:07:09.220 Do you, is this the kind

01:07:10.160 of thing that could get you

01:07:11.160 canceled?

01:07:12.200 Even somebody like you?

01:07:14.480 Well, I guess, you know,

01:07:15.980 because it's, it's, it's

01:07:16.720 happened to other guys.

01:07:17.960 I try my best to speak in a

01:07:19.460 way that is truthful and

01:07:21.460 compassionate.

01:07:21.960 I'm not about, you know,

01:07:22.980 bashing people or hating

01:07:23.800 people, but I am about

01:07:24.780 standing up for my position

01:07:26.040 and trying my best to

01:07:27.220 vocalize it in the best way

01:07:29.260 that I can.

01:07:30.520 And I just think that again,

01:07:31.680 there's, there's no more

01:07:32.480 nuance.

01:07:33.240 You know, there's no room to

01:07:34.160 sit down and have a

01:07:34.900 conversation with somebody

01:07:36.260 where you humanize them for

01:07:38.000 what they're going through,

01:07:38.840 what they feel, their

01:07:39.620 background, how they got to

01:07:40.600 that position.

01:07:41.360 It's just about, if we can

01:07:43.120 label you something, then

01:07:44.400 it's easy to attack you

01:07:45.600 because this label carries

01:07:46.820 so much weight.

01:07:47.880 And so even in the instance

01:07:49.000 where guys are strong in

01:07:51.980 their faith and they believe

01:07:53.260 in the word of God and the

01:07:54.620 Bible and Jesus Christ is the

01:07:55.840 Lord and Savior.

01:07:56.520 So because of that, they

01:07:57.800 don't want to participate in

01:07:59.040 certain things.

01:07:59.760 They're automatically, you

01:08:01.000 know, deemed as, you know,

01:08:02.160 right-wing extremist and,

01:08:03.560 and, and, and, you know,

01:08:05.220 Christians or whatever you

01:08:06.920 want to call them as some

01:08:08.640 hateful group, but not

01:08:10.080 understanding who they are,

01:08:11.500 where they come from, and

01:08:12.300 that they have true belief in

01:08:14.340 this system.

01:08:15.740 I, I, I think that's just

01:08:17.220 where we, we've gone awry.

01:08:19.600 And that, honestly, I, my

01:08:21.400 view is that true belief is

01:08:22.760 the answer to most of our

01:08:24.040 problems.

01:08:24.580 You know, if you could just

01:08:25.680 fill that void inside with

01:08:28.040 something truly good and

01:08:29.620 uplifting, and that reminds

01:08:30.860 you there's a power higher

01:08:31.840 than yourself, it won't, you

01:08:34.320 won't need to seek solace in

01:08:36.680 what we call wokeism or

01:08:38.200 identity politics or

01:08:39.300 something that obsesses over,

01:08:40.420 you know, skin color or

01:08:42.320 gender or what have you.

01:08:44.720 This is one of the many

01:08:45.580 reasons why you're such an

01:08:46.400 important voice.

01:08:47.420 Jonathan, thank you so much

01:08:48.580 for this.

01:08:49.260 Now, listen, when you, when

01:08:50.300 you get ready to expand,

01:08:51.660 unite us.

01:08:52.760 Come on back because, um,

01:08:55.100 I know a lot of people who

01:08:56.700 would actually really like to

01:08:57.860 help you.

01:08:58.260 I, I have absolutely no doubt

01:08:59.620 and we need to take this to

01:09:00.580 the next level.

01:09:02.240 Oh, wow.

01:09:02.760 We can, we can start on that

01:09:03.660 now.

01:09:03.940 If you want to, you know,

01:09:04.740 DM me on Instagram or, you

01:09:06.480 know, there's a, there's a

01:09:07.360 spot on.

01:09:08.300 We know how to reach you.

01:09:09.460 Yes.

01:09:09.840 We are united.com and we can

01:09:11.780 talk.

01:09:12.820 We are united.

01:09:14.240 You N I T U S dot com.

01:09:16.180 All the best to you.

01:09:16.980 Thank you so much for being

01:09:17.800 here.

01:09:18.780 Thank you, Megan.

01:09:19.500 I appreciate you.

01:09:20.840 And don't forget, folks,

01:09:21.820 make sure you go back and

01:09:22.540 listen to episode three, two,

01:09:24.940 four, three, 24, uh, for our

01:09:27.300 very first interview with

01:09:28.240 Jonathan.

01:09:28.940 Don't you love him?

01:09:29.880 Right.

01:09:30.120 There's a reason for that.

01:09:30.980 Don't you want to help him

01:09:31.840 do it next up?

01:09:33.660 We're going to take a look at

01:09:34.520 the affirmative action,

01:09:36.760 Supreme Court ruling, and

01:09:38.080 what's now happening with one

01:09:40.320 of the main guys behind the

01:09:42.200 whole thing.

01:09:43.880 How are the colleges about to

01:09:45.000 implement their new plan?

01:09:47.580 Are they just going to find

01:09:48.400 ways around it?

01:09:49.220 We'll talk about it next.

01:09:52.940 Today, we're taking a look at

01:09:54.240 the fallout from the Supreme

01:09:55.640 Court ruling on affirmative

01:09:56.980 action.

01:09:58.480 UNC's board of trustees has just

01:10:00.220 formally in the wake of that

01:10:01.540 ruling banned preferential

01:10:03.480 treatment based on race from

01:10:05.480 its admissions and hiring

01:10:07.060 decisions.

01:10:08.100 Meanwhile, Harvard is facing a

01:10:10.080 new battle over legacy

01:10:12.120 admissions.

01:10:13.560 My next guest is at the center

01:10:15.600 of this fight.

01:10:16.800 He is the author of the brand

01:10:18.200 new book, School of Woke, how

01:10:21.120 critical race theory infiltrated

01:10:22.860 American schools and why we must

01:10:25.280 reclaim them, which is out

01:10:27.000 tomorrow.

01:10:28.280 Kenny Hsu is also president of

01:10:30.740 Color Us United and a member of

01:10:32.460 the board that brought the case

01:10:33.920 against Harvard and UNC to the

01:10:36.040 Supreme Court.

01:10:36.660 He is what you might call the

01:10:38.660 victor in that big, big decision

01:10:42.140 that will help us all, I believe.

01:10:44.140 Kenny, welcome to the show.

01:10:46.540 Thank you for having me.

01:10:48.240 It's great for you.

01:10:48.860 You must have had what a moment.

01:10:50.280 Can I just ask you, like, what a

01:10:51.280 moment?

01:10:51.640 Not did you win?

01:10:52.280 Not just only did you win your

01:10:53.540 case.

01:10:54.160 You won a seminal case before

01:10:56.200 before the U.S.

01:10:57.020 Supreme Court that is supposed

01:10:58.660 to change university admissions

01:11:00.140 and potentially down the line

01:11:01.560 other ways we factor race into

01:11:03.940 situations forever.

01:11:05.660 So what was that like?

01:11:07.580 Yeah, and it's a victory for

01:11:08.820 Asian-American dignity.

01:11:10.200 You know, it's a victory for

01:11:10.920 equal opportunity for everybody.

01:11:12.400 We knew how Harvard was

01:11:13.780 discriminating against Asian-Americans.

01:11:16.180 They ranked them lowest on

01:11:18.360 personality.

01:11:19.320 Asians had the highest grades and

01:11:20.760 the highest test scores out of any

01:11:22.400 race, but they decided to rank

01:11:24.360 them lowest on personality.

01:11:25.720 That was inexcusable.

01:11:27.360 It showed the level of

01:11:28.240 discrimination.

01:11:29.040 I'll tell you, we won.

01:11:30.960 And Students for Fair Admissions

01:11:32.300 and my organization, Colorist United,

01:11:34.680 we won fair and square.

01:11:36.820 And there are people at UNC right

01:11:38.460 now that are really regretting

01:11:40.400 even filing this lawsuit.

01:11:42.300 Vice Chair of the Board of

01:11:43.540 Trustees, John Pryor, for example,

01:11:45.940 said that they spent $35 million

01:11:48.100 on this lawsuit to lose.

01:11:51.060 Why?

01:11:51.420 You know, I think it's going to leave

01:11:53.220 a lot of liberals and progressives

01:11:56.060 wondering about the efficacy of

01:11:58.700 their case.

01:12:00.120 Hmm.

01:12:00.760 Well, you're saying because you're

01:12:02.900 saying he's mad that they fought,

01:12:05.580 that they that they fought you.

01:12:08.460 Yeah, he's mad that they fought us.

01:12:10.940 They fought a losing case.

01:12:14.200 Most Americans do not support race

01:12:16.840 being used in the college admissions

01:12:18.300 process where we support helping

01:12:21.500 minority children is at the K-12

01:12:23.520 public education level, not at the

01:12:25.320 college level.

01:12:25.980 Elite colleges should be about

01:12:27.520 merit and admitting most qualified.

01:12:29.940 But they haven't been.

01:12:30.860 And you were so right in all of

01:12:32.320 your allegations.

01:12:32.740 And just let's just spend one

01:12:34.080 second on this.

01:12:34.660 I mean, the absolute insult of

01:12:37.120 basically rejecting Asians because

01:12:39.600 they factored in their lame

01:12:41.080 personalities.

01:12:41.580 That was the sweeping judgment that

01:12:43.340 they were making at places like

01:12:44.400 Harvard, like, well, you could get

01:12:45.620 in.

01:12:45.980 You have perfect SATs.

01:12:47.360 You have a four point four.

01:12:48.840 But your personality is so lame.

01:12:50.940 You had to go.

01:12:51.840 All these other people who just

01:12:52.880 happen to be people of a certain

01:12:54.020 racial group have much better

01:12:55.380 personalities than you do.

01:12:56.580 So they're coming in despite the

01:12:58.060 fact that they're two standard

01:12:58.920 deviations below you on the SAT.

01:13:00.800 But that's what was happening.

01:13:01.660 Yeah, and the truth is the

01:13:04.720 progressives that claim to be

01:13:05.780 anti-racist are actually more

01:13:07.680 racist and more racially conscious

01:13:09.200 than we could ever think of.

01:13:10.480 At the heart of this entire

01:13:12.700 lawsuit was Harvard's mistaken

01:13:14.960 belief that they don't want too

01:13:16.260 many Asians at Harvard.

01:13:17.740 Because if they eliminated race

01:13:19.540 preferences and admissions, the

01:13:21.180 percentage of whites would go up

01:13:22.580 slightly.

01:13:23.160 But the percentage of Asians would

01:13:24.580 go from 20 percent to 43 percent.

01:13:27.480 And Harvard did not want the

01:13:28.820 percentage of Asians at their

01:13:29.980 campus to get on 43 percent.

01:13:31.900 Now, we know why Asians would get

01:13:33.180 into Harvard at 43 percent.

01:13:35.360 It's because they study twice as

01:13:36.560 hard as the average American, twice

01:13:38.300 as many hours as the average

01:13:39.420 American.

01:13:39.960 That's why.

01:13:42.040 It's cultural.

01:13:43.000 I mean, and this but this is

01:13:44.040 something you're not allowed to

01:13:44.820 say, right, because what it

01:13:46.460 implies is that it's not cultural

01:13:48.240 for certain other racial groups to

01:13:50.340 apply themselves that much to

01:13:52.340 their academics.

01:13:52.980 But the truth is, it's not.

01:13:54.800 It's not cultural as a rule for

01:13:56.640 any other racial group, for the

01:13:59.180 most part, to spend that many

01:14:00.340 hours studying a day.

01:14:03.560 That's just a truism.

01:14:04.800 And until we actually get our

01:14:06.120 arms around that, those numbers

01:14:07.760 aren't going to change in terms

01:14:08.960 of what the admissions would be if

01:14:10.320 we just went on merit.

01:14:12.420 Right, exactly.

01:14:13.820 Harvard cared more about the

01:14:15.720 racial, what their composition of

01:14:17.500 the student body looked like than

01:14:19.120 they cared about the actual

01:14:19.960 merit of their institution.

01:14:21.660 Now, the problem with that

01:14:22.600 argument is, well, what do we as

01:14:25.180 Americans, what do we believe

01:14:26.360 should compromise, should

01:14:28.860 constituent, could be constituent

01:14:30.720 of an elite institution?

01:14:32.200 The answer is, it should be the

01:14:33.800 most qualified students, because

01:14:35.980 those are the people that we

01:14:37.080 trust to deliver the resources,

01:14:38.800 the intellectual resources that

01:14:40.020 are going to propel our country

01:14:41.280 forward.

01:14:41.940 So if Harvard continues to claim to

01:14:43.540 be an elite institution, they need

01:14:45.220 to admit the most intellectually

01:14:46.660 elite people.

01:14:47.740 They are compromising that by

01:14:49.120 factors of, like you said, two

01:14:50.840 standard deviations or more on the

01:14:52.500 SAT.

01:14:52.840 273 points higher Asians had to

01:14:55.860 get on the SAT to have the same

01:14:57.400 chance of admission as a black

01:14:58.460 person.

01:14:58.800 That's inexcusable from the

01:15:00.560 perspective of merit.

01:15:02.340 What's crazy is Asians, of

01:15:03.320 course, are a minority in this

01:15:04.440 country as well.

01:15:05.760 And so you would think they'd say,

01:15:07.140 oh, we're 43 percent minority if

01:15:08.960 it wound up that Asians made up

01:15:10.660 43 percent of the Harvard

01:15:11.980 incoming class.

01:15:13.000 But you're the wrong kind of

01:15:14.140 minority.

01:15:14.820 That's what it boils down to.

01:15:15.920 You're the wrong kind.

01:15:17.060 Your past history in the United

01:15:19.240 States of discrimination against

01:15:20.680 you, the current attacks we see

01:15:22.560 against Asians on the street from

01:15:24.160 covid forward that have made news

01:15:25.880 over and over.

01:15:26.780 None of that matters.

01:15:27.560 It doesn't rate.

01:15:28.600 It doesn't count because you're

01:15:30.320 the wrong kind of minority.

01:15:31.520 The same could be said about our

01:15:33.020 Jewish friends that the trauma

01:15:35.100 against them.

01:15:35.740 Yeah, it's different.

01:15:36.820 You know that.

01:15:37.500 And so it's just so infuriating

01:15:38.740 because it's the same group that

01:15:40.340 wants us to look at them as this

01:15:42.260 inclusive, progressive, loving

01:15:45.880 group.

01:15:46.520 And all of us on the other side are

01:15:48.000 just the haters.

01:15:48.560 Right.

01:15:51.340 And by the way, before somebody

01:15:52.640 says, well, Asians make up

01:15:54.860 43 percent of the university,

01:15:55.900 that's too much.

01:15:57.200 Why is the NBA 75 percent

01:15:58.880 black?

01:15:59.420 Why is the construction industry

01:16:00.900 50 percent Hispanic?

01:16:02.260 Why are restaurant management in

01:16:03.900 New York City?

01:16:04.820 Why are they disproportionately

01:16:05.860 Hispanic and Asian?

01:16:07.680 Is it because of racism?

01:16:08.940 Is it because of racism for these

01:16:10.720 certain preferred groups?

01:16:12.720 No, it's because every cultural

01:16:14.420 group or every group, whatever you

01:16:16.540 want to call it, prioritizes

01:16:18.800 different things in life.

01:16:20.440 That's what America is about.

01:16:21.540 That's what true diversity is

01:16:22.800 about.

01:16:23.280 True diversity is when Americans

01:16:24.720 are allowed to pursue whatever

01:16:26.280 talents that they, their family,

01:16:28.240 their group decides, prioritizes

01:16:30.060 and be rewarded on the basis of

01:16:31.580 what they produce.

01:16:32.660 Asians produce great intellectual

01:16:34.120 output because they study

01:16:35.880 really hard.

01:16:36.500 But Asians, for example, are not

01:16:37.880 very politically represented.

01:16:39.280 That's because Asians have not

01:16:40.440 prioritized political

01:16:41.760 representation.

01:16:42.320 That is, of course, hurting them

01:16:44.400 right now as Biden produces

01:16:46.300 an agenda that is explicitly

01:16:48.180 anti-Asian.

01:16:49.100 Their equity has built back

01:16:50.480 better equity rationale

01:16:52.140 completely ignores the plight of

01:16:54.560 Asians.

01:16:55.020 They only care about, quote,

01:16:55.920 unquote, underrepresented

01:16:56.960 minorities, which does not

01:16:58.160 include Asian Americans.

01:16:59.720 I'm reminding our audience

01:17:01.040 it's called School of Woke.

01:17:02.500 It's out tomorrow.

01:17:03.320 You've got to help support

01:17:04.640 Kenny by buying School of Woke

01:17:06.320 and you can figure out how this

01:17:08.000 happened to us.

01:17:08.840 The complete capture of the

01:17:10.900 university system.

01:17:12.240 So the big question, of course,

01:17:13.320 in the wake of your victory is

01:17:14.760 what are they going to do?

01:17:16.620 There's no way these universities

01:17:18.420 are actually going to comply.

01:17:20.180 Like they'll have to do it to

01:17:21.480 the letter.

01:17:22.160 But they already said, and I

01:17:23.460 know the chief justice says,

01:17:24.360 well, I'm not looking for to

01:17:25.220 make this an end around our

01:17:26.540 ruling, but we already already

01:17:28.220 believe that you can write an

01:17:30.060 essay about how you overcame

01:17:31.860 discrimination because of your

01:17:33.380 race.

01:17:33.700 That's if it went if it went to

01:17:34.780 like your character, you can

01:17:35.860 write about it and they can

01:17:36.680 consider it.

01:17:37.480 But you can't just let somebody

01:17:38.660 in because he checked the box

01:17:39.760 that he's of a certain race.

01:17:41.480 I don't know.

01:17:42.000 That leads me to believe every

01:17:43.300 single person of color is going to

01:17:44.300 be writing all about their, you

01:17:45.560 know, their racist past that they

01:17:47.940 were subjected to and do an end

01:17:49.700 around the ruling, notwithstanding

01:17:50.700 what the chief wrote.

01:17:52.960 Well, K-12 schools get their

01:17:55.460 get their memo from

01:17:58.580 universities.

01:17:59.280 So if universities say we

01:18:00.800 prioritize victimhood ideology,

01:18:02.520 then K-12 schools are going to

01:18:03.620 incentivize their minority,

01:18:05.000 particularly their black students,

01:18:06.420 to cater to victimhood ideology.

01:18:08.660 But as I argue in School of Woke,

01:18:10.440 this is the wrong way to teach

01:18:12.400 American history and this is the

01:18:13.800 wrong way to teach black kids how

01:18:15.660 to succeed.

01:18:16.540 Instead, why don't we talk about the

01:18:18.140 cultural values that make all

01:18:20.360 groups in America successful?

01:18:21.960 One, two parent family

01:18:23.220 households, right?

01:18:24.400 Seventy five percent of black

01:18:25.360 children are born out of

01:18:26.560 wedlock.

01:18:27.000 That is a big issue in these

01:18:28.060 communities.

01:18:28.560 Two, high crime.

01:18:29.860 You cannot learn when you have

01:18:31.820 high crime in places like

01:18:33.520 Baltimore and New York.

01:18:34.460 And when teachers are worried

01:18:35.540 more about becoming custodians

01:18:37.080 than they're worried about

01:18:38.220 actually helping people to

01:18:40.140 learn.

01:18:40.900 And then three, endinghood,

01:18:42.480 victimhood ideology in the

01:18:43.840 curricula.

01:18:44.900 Florida's curricula right now

01:18:47.160 in African-American history is

01:18:48.480 under attack because it said that

01:18:49.960 slaves had benefited from

01:18:52.800 certain skills.

01:18:53.920 Nowhere does it say that slavery

01:18:56.300 was a good institution.

01:18:58.120 In fact, it repeatedly denigrates

01:18:59.560 that institution.

01:19:00.900 But it is true.

01:19:02.440 Slaves learn skills.

01:19:03.520 Why can't we talk about things

01:19:05.080 from an objective basis instead

01:19:07.420 of an emotional basis?

01:19:09.280 And that is unfortunately the

01:19:10.400 things that are being fed to

01:19:11.380 minority children that lead

01:19:12.960 them to pursue victimhood rather

01:19:15.000 than achievement that eventually

01:19:16.520 lead to this racial disparity

01:19:17.900 and achievement that we have, as

01:19:19.360 I argue, in School of Woke.

01:19:21.500 I have a friend, she and her

01:19:23.940 family are very successful, and

01:19:25.960 they have some kids and their

01:19:27.420 daughter is now in high school.

01:19:29.360 And so they brought in one of

01:19:30.780 those education consultants who

01:19:32.140 will tell you how to get your

01:19:32.940 kid into Harvard or, you know,

01:19:34.520 one of those schools.

01:19:35.660 And the mother was very

01:19:37.080 dejected after this person left

01:19:38.640 because all this person did was

01:19:40.720 try to flesh out the trauma that

01:19:42.580 had been in his daughter's life.

01:19:44.160 Like maybe this happened to you.

01:19:45.500 You know, I was there.

01:19:46.320 What was there?

01:19:47.260 Could could we cite a sexual

01:19:48.460 assault?

01:19:49.000 What could there have been?

01:19:50.220 Because she's well off and

01:19:52.500 she's white and the parents have

01:19:54.800 advantages.

01:19:55.640 And she was like, you're never

01:19:56.900 getting in unless we can find

01:19:58.520 some way to make you into a

01:19:59.680 victim.

01:20:00.840 Meanwhile, this girl's like, I'm

01:20:02.720 very lucky to have not had any

01:20:04.500 of that in my past.

01:20:05.660 I'm actually just a really well

01:20:07.040 adjusted, happy kid who's

01:20:09.460 gotten great grades through hard

01:20:11.060 work.

01:20:11.480 Will that get me in anywhere?

01:20:12.940 And the answer was basically no,

01:20:14.520 Kenny.

01:20:14.980 I mean, that's what what kind of

01:20:17.220 future leaders are we creating?

01:20:19.380 If the person who happened to be

01:20:20.820 so lucky is just to have really

01:20:22.020 happy, healthy, well, childhood

01:20:24.540 is booted because of that.

01:20:27.700 Right.

01:20:28.200 Because it's not sexy to talk

01:20:30.340 about hard work.

01:20:31.340 It's not sexy to talk about

01:20:32.860 merit.

01:20:33.820 Let the left now wants to

01:20:35.240 eliminate standardized test

01:20:36.700 scores and admissions because

01:20:38.700 they claim that, well, it

01:20:40.660 underprivileges black

01:20:41.620 children.

01:20:42.060 So what are they going to

01:20:42.620 replace it with?

01:20:43.420 How are you going to judge

01:20:44.100 people based on their quote

01:20:45.420 unquote story?

01:20:46.520 But of course, what we know is

01:20:48.040 that the left only wants a

01:20:48.980 certain kind of story.

01:20:50.220 They want the victimhood story.

01:20:51.560 What about the story of hard

01:20:52.660 work?

01:20:52.920 You know, I took a job when I

01:20:54.460 was 16 years old, Megan.

01:20:56.240 And my first job was working

01:20:57.740 at a Jersey Mike's.

01:20:58.660 And that was eventually what I

01:20:59.700 wrote my essay on.

01:21:01.060 It wasn't sexy.

01:21:02.160 It wasn't super exciting.

01:21:03.440 But it was something I took

01:21:04.620 great pride in because I

01:21:06.360 actually was part of a team

01:21:08.020 and I learned core skills and

01:21:09.340 I didn't have to brag about

01:21:10.320 my victimhood.

01:21:11.340 And I actually made some money

01:21:12.800 for me.

01:21:13.220 That was a big deal growing up

01:21:14.460 in a middle class family.

01:21:15.680 So that those are the stories

01:21:17.660 that the left does not care

01:21:19.040 about.

01:21:19.340 They would prefer if you talked

01:21:21.000 about how oppressed you are by

01:21:22.640 society.

01:21:23.060 So all of the incentives that

01:21:24.580 we have in our country right now

01:21:25.960 are towards victimhood,

01:21:27.780 especially among children,

01:21:28.960 not towards working hard and

01:21:30.780 being meritorious.

01:21:32.360 Why does the Asian work ethic

01:21:33.700 make them so uncomfortable?

01:21:35.100 Because I feel like one of the

01:21:36.360 pieces of it is that it

01:21:38.380 spans the socioeconomic

01:21:40.560 landscape.

01:21:41.380 You know, like they get

01:21:42.600 uncomfortable if they could

01:21:43.640 just dismiss all Asians as

01:21:45.540 just like a bunch of rich,

01:21:46.580 spoiled kids because everybody

01:21:48.060 hates the rich.

01:21:48.780 That'd be one thing.

01:21:50.280 But the truth is, it's across

01:21:52.280 socioeconomic divide.

01:21:54.900 And I feel like that's that's

01:21:56.240 what makes them have to just

01:21:57.340 deny that that it's

01:21:59.320 happening.

01:21:59.680 They can't talk about the

01:22:00.540 cultural commitment to

01:22:01.400 excellence.

01:22:03.200 I can debunk that with one

01:22:04.840 statistic.

01:22:05.540 New York City's low income

01:22:06.860 Asians have higher

01:22:08.060 SHSAT scores than the high

01:22:10.500 income blacks and the high

01:22:11.840 income whites.

01:22:12.600 OK, it's not just about money

01:22:14.200 and privilege.

01:22:14.800 It is about culture, hard

01:22:16.340 work, study.

01:22:17.220 And this is the inconvenient

01:22:18.120 minority to the left, because

01:22:20.320 the left prefers to believe

01:22:22.300 that if you're a minority,

01:22:23.880 you're a victim of oppression.

01:22:24.900 But what do they do with

01:22:25.860 Asian-Americans?

01:22:26.720 Asian-Americans are a victim

01:22:28.140 of America's historic

01:22:29.240 discrimination.

01:22:29.700 And they certainly don't come

01:22:30.920 here with social status or

01:22:32.260 parent family connections.

01:22:33.760 But they are able within one

01:22:35.680 generation to have higher

01:22:37.200 bachelor's degree attainment

01:22:38.640 and higher incomes

01:22:39.900 household wise than even

01:22:41.220 white people.

01:22:41.900 That is a big that's what you

01:22:43.680 know what that shows.

01:22:44.500 That shows meritocracy that

01:22:46.400 shows that America fundamentally

01:22:47.580 rewards people regardless of

01:22:49.300 their color, but fundamentally

01:22:51.280 rewards them on their hard

01:22:52.440 work and character.

01:22:53.280 That is anathema to the left.

01:22:55.860 Hmm.

01:22:56.620 So to me, I were I just feel

01:22:59.380 like there's no there's no

01:23:00.600 hope for these universities.

01:23:01.860 You know, you just have to

01:23:02.580 choose one like Hillsdale or

01:23:05.020 Liberty or someone was singing

01:23:06.780 the praises of Clemson on the

01:23:08.120 show recently.

01:23:09.160 Something in the South, you

01:23:10.340 know, where people are just

01:23:11.180 like, I'm not doing this.

01:23:12.100 But you obviously think

01:23:14.700 something can be done because

01:23:15.860 you were behind this lawsuit

01:23:16.920 and you've already changed the

01:23:18.500 law.

01:23:19.000 But how do we actually make

01:23:20.420 them comply with the Supreme

01:23:22.100 Court ruling?

01:23:22.640 And how do we just how do we

01:23:24.940 read gain what has been

01:23:27.800 captured by these ideologues who

01:23:31.340 wish to force their identity

01:23:32.880 politics on all of us?

01:23:35.920 I would prefer not to use the

01:23:37.600 word comply.

01:23:38.320 I would prefer to use the word

01:23:39.600 inspire.

01:23:41.040 What we can do if you're an

01:23:42.680 ordinary parent is have a

01:23:43.920 dinnertime conversation, which

01:23:45.240 I argue in my book School of

01:23:46.620 Woke, have a dinnertime

01:23:47.820 conversation with your little

01:23:49.600 Johnny, with your kid.

01:23:51.100 Tell them I value my black

01:23:53.940 friend as a friend, not

01:23:55.780 because he's black.

01:23:56.920 It doesn't matter what color

01:23:58.040 of skin you are.

01:23:59.280 You know, you should value

01:24:00.760 somebody as a human.

01:24:02.300 I think that's the that's the

01:24:03.420 start.

01:24:03.900 Now, one thing I talk about in

01:24:05.560 my new book is how school

01:24:07.300 boards have been captured.

01:24:08.960 School boards have been

01:24:09.760 captured because we never ran

01:24:11.620 effective challengers.

01:24:13.200 So what happened was school

01:24:14.720 most school boards in this

01:24:15.760 country, they don't even have

01:24:16.760 elections because the woke

01:24:19.260 school board will appoint their

01:24:20.680 woke friend to become the next

01:24:22.380 school board member.

01:24:23.860 And so you need to run effective

01:24:25.300 challengers and you need to run

01:24:26.860 on what's going on here.

01:24:28.220 But what I show in my book is

01:24:29.700 that when you do, you have huge

01:24:31.760 victories, not just Glenn

01:24:33.360 Youngkin's landslide victory, but

01:24:35.020 victories in places like San

01:24:36.920 Francisco, California, where

01:24:38.860 Chinese Americans basically

01:24:40.260 rallied and booted out three of

01:24:42.140 the woke school board members in

01:24:43.900 San Francisco.

01:24:45.680 You know, this shows education is

01:24:47.400 a winning issue.

01:24:48.380 People care.

01:24:49.560 People blame the Democrats

01:24:50.780 because the Democrats are to

01:24:52.160 blame because the racial

01:24:53.040 achieving gap hasn't closed over

01:24:54.560 the past 40 years.

01:24:56.040 And they're willing to consider

01:24:58.100 new solutions.

01:24:59.360 And I think that that's what we

01:25:00.360 have to run on.

01:25:01.000 Hmm.

01:25:02.440 It's, of course, going in another

01:25:04.500 direction in too many instances.

01:25:06.300 Just today in the news, there's a

01:25:08.120 report that universities around

01:25:09.960 the country.

01:25:10.520 This is from our friends at The

01:25:11.540 Daily Wire this summer are

01:25:13.180 hosting critical whiteness studies

01:25:15.540 courses, critical whiteness studies

01:25:18.120 where they will.

01:25:19.460 Students will learn about whiteness

01:25:21.320 as an ideology of supremacy

01:25:24.220 and domination in school

01:25:27.060 after school after school.

01:25:28.880 Here's just one example.

01:25:30.380 University of San Francisco

01:25:31.280 School of Education courses,

01:25:33.120 whiteness, power and privilege

01:25:34.600 where they will explore

01:25:35.860 racialization and racism through

01:25:38.420 the lens of critical whiteness

01:25:39.940 studies.

01:25:40.720 It will also offer an examination

01:25:42.060 of whiteness as the driving

01:25:43.720 force behind oppression.

01:25:46.500 Now, if you were to ever

01:25:47.920 offer a course like this that

01:25:51.060 looked negatively as a sweeping

01:25:53.940 characteristic of blackness,

01:25:56.360 it would be the lead story in

01:25:57.960 every newscast for months.

01:26:00.200 But it's fine in today's day and

01:26:01.880 age.

01:26:02.140 And it's as we discussed, not just

01:26:03.540 whites, it's Asians, too,

01:26:06.000 that to do this to the different

01:26:08.040 racial groups, depending on whether

01:26:09.760 they're considered powerful or not.

01:26:12.700 Yeah.

01:26:13.360 When whiteness is associated with

01:26:15.000 quote unquote objectivity and

01:26:16.500 timeliness, maybe people should be

01:26:18.060 more white or more whiteness.

01:26:20.280 Now, of course, that's not what I

01:26:21.460 argue.

01:26:22.140 But if you buy the critical race

01:26:23.980 theorists, maybe that's what should

01:26:25.700 happen according to the critical race

01:26:27.200 theory framework, I'll tell you

01:26:28.580 something that happened in

01:26:29.600 California.

01:26:30.160 They basically said that Gevert

01:26:32.200 School of Education in University

01:26:34.380 of California, Santa Barbara,

01:26:36.160 argued to their own students that

01:26:38.200 teaching English was a form of

01:26:40.180 white supremacy.

01:26:41.120 So you know what these education

01:26:42.520 school graduates do.

01:26:43.880 They go to their school systems,

01:26:46.500 they go become superintendents, and

01:26:48.380 then they tell the Hispanic kids

01:26:50.200 stop learning English.

01:26:52.040 And if you check off, if you're an

01:26:54.480 illegal immigrant mother, you said

01:26:56.140 born in Mexico to your kid, your

01:26:58.100 kid is automatically put in an ESL

01:27:00.160 system in which he will never learn

01:27:02.240 English in this country and

01:27:03.580 therefore never fully assimilate to

01:27:05.500 American culture and never achieve

01:27:07.220 the status that you wanted your kid

01:27:08.920 to achieve.

01:27:09.820 This is progressivism at its nadir.

01:27:12.980 This is progressivism hurting minority

01:27:15.580 kids in the name of anti-racism.

01:27:17.900 And if you care at all about minority

01:27:19.800 education, which I'm sure most of us do,

01:27:21.780 you would stand against this with your

01:27:23.800 foot in your mouth.

01:27:25.960 Wow.

01:27:26.680 Oh, my gosh.

01:27:27.420 These are just some of the stories

01:27:28.400 that you'll learn about if you read

01:27:29.540 School of Woke by Kenny Hsu, spelled

01:27:33.160 X-U.

01:27:34.560 The latest polls show the cynicism

01:27:36.700 that's taken over America when it

01:27:38.320 comes to this kind of college and

01:27:41.220 university education.

01:27:42.680 Their confidence in it is down

01:27:44.400 sharply.

01:27:44.980 According to Gallup, this came out just

01:27:46.760 earlier this month.

01:27:47.960 Um, the article citing a poll they had

01:27:50.540 done over three weeks in June for the

01:27:53.440 first time, Americans confidence in

01:27:55.860 higher education has fallen to a new

01:27:58.140 low, 36 percent sharply lower than in

01:28:03.280 two prior readings.

01:28:04.200 OK, 36, 36 percent is the new low of

01:28:06.960 the American public's confidence in

01:28:10.360 higher education.

01:28:11.140 It was 57 percent believed in it as

01:28:14.860 recently as 2015 and 2018.

01:28:17.540 The confidence in it had fallen to

01:28:19.280 48, but now it's down to 36 percent

01:28:22.700 almost entirely driven by Republicans

01:28:25.340 and independents who do not believe in

01:28:27.100 higher education nearly at all.

01:28:28.460 Now, Republicans, only 19 percent say

01:28:31.940 they have confidence in higher

01:28:32.880 education, independents, only 32 percent

01:28:35.920 who does have confidence in it.

01:28:38.580 Democrats, 59 percent.

01:28:40.460 They have confidence in higher education

01:28:42.120 because they own it.

01:28:43.060 But what does this mean for our future?

01:28:46.220 Well, I believe the Americans.

01:28:48.520 So what I mean by that is, uh,

01:28:51.580 Americans are less confident about

01:28:52.920 higher education because higher

01:28:54.060 education has given us less to be

01:28:55.520 confident about.

01:28:56.460 You know, um, what is the cost of

01:28:59.020 higher education now?

01:29:00.320 You know, tens of thousands of dollars

01:29:01.980 a year that you're shelling out for

01:29:03.520 what benefit?

01:29:04.500 Are your kids learning real skills?

01:29:06.480 Are they coming out confident about

01:29:08.640 pursuing the American

01:29:10.280 dream in this country and making money

01:29:12.840 and providing for their family?

01:29:14.720 No, they're not.

01:29:15.600 They're coming out more depressed than

01:29:16.960 ever.

01:29:17.180 And the parents, the grandparents

01:29:18.980 are seeing this.

01:29:20.820 So that's what's happening in this

01:29:22.140 country.

01:29:22.480 That's why higher education, faith in

01:29:24.220 higher education is down so much.

01:29:26.280 Now, I will say, if you asked

01:29:28.140 Americans, there was a poll last year

01:29:30.120 that asked Americans whether they

01:29:32.840 agreed with the agenda of limiting

01:29:36.040 sexual education to kids, uh, before

01:29:38.520 fifth grade, not teaching that one

01:29:40.780 class of race is more privileged or

01:29:43.080 oppressed than another.

01:29:43.960 Basically, you know, the Ron DeSantis

01:29:45.680 colorblind history curriculum agenda.

01:29:48.460 And I'll tell you one third of

01:29:50.460 Democrats supported that.

01:29:52.060 They supported that statement.

01:29:53.600 One third of them.

01:29:54.680 That's a lot of Democrats supporting

01:29:56.680 that statement.

01:29:57.220 So this is a unifying agenda.

01:29:59.980 If you run behind ending the

01:30:01.760 sexualization of kids and ending the

01:30:03.800 racial division going on in the

01:30:05.060 schools, you can win.

01:30:07.160 What do you make of now there's a

01:30:08.480 new push to in the wake of the

01:30:10.840 ruling on Harvard and UNC that you

01:30:12.300 were a part of to ban legacy

01:30:14.980 admissions at places like Harvard?

01:30:17.140 Because I I mean, I actually like

01:30:18.560 this because I do think it's it's

01:30:20.440 kind of bullshit, right?

01:30:21.540 How like if your parents went to

01:30:23.460 Harvard, you've got a much better

01:30:25.220 chance of going to Harvard because

01:30:26.960 they want your parents money, really.

01:30:29.440 And that I mean, like if there's

01:30:30.220 anything people should be

01:30:30.980 complaining about to me, that would

01:30:32.560 make sense.

01:30:33.040 I'm very supportive of ending

01:30:36.580 legacy admissions have always been

01:30:38.280 supportive of legacy admissions.

01:30:39.900 In fact, the reason why we know

01:30:41.260 that Harvard is full of crap and

01:30:43.060 why they're so disingenuous is

01:30:44.600 because they never even considered

01:30:46.440 ending legacy admissions as part of

01:30:49.100 their whole DEI complex.

01:30:50.860 Instead, they would prefer to

01:30:52.560 discriminate against well-qualified

01:30:54.520 Asian non-legacies who got in

01:30:56.560 because of merit rather than end

01:30:59.880 legacy admissions.

01:31:00.800 So this shows that Harvard is full of

01:31:03.320 crap.

01:31:04.180 I would highly suggest right now in

01:31:06.580 the wake of the affirmative action

01:31:07.700 decision, if I were Harvard's com

01:31:09.380 officer right now, if I were Harvard's

01:31:11.480 dean of admissions, Dean Fitzsimmons, I

01:31:13.800 would say to him, end legacies or you're

01:31:16.720 fired.

01:31:17.020 You know what the truth is, too?

01:31:20.840 I mean, people don't talk about this, but I

01:31:22.700 know because I know a lot of people who are

01:31:24.160 trying to game the system.

01:31:26.440 People pay.

01:31:27.800 They pay.

01:31:28.620 They make a sudden even if they didn't go

01:31:30.540 to Harvard, they make a three million dollar

01:31:33.820 donation in the year.

01:31:35.740 junior is applying and they have so much

01:31:38.360 money, they'll they'll game the system by

01:31:41.260 Harvard gets a three million.

01:31:43.020 Yale gets a four million.

01:31:44.500 Stanford gets a two million.

01:31:46.220 But all this money just to hedge their

01:31:48.860 bets to help junior get in.

01:31:50.600 So it's like the the kid, you know, like

01:31:53.480 the Asian kid who's just working hard, who

01:31:56.080 you know, lives in whatever Chinatown in

01:31:58.340 New York City does not come from a wealthy

01:32:00.040 background, has no idea how many obstacles

01:32:03.020 he's up against, right?

01:32:04.800 His race is going to be held against him.

01:32:06.800 His socioeconomic status is not going to

01:32:09.120 help him.

01:32:09.720 And nor can he game the system in any of

01:32:12.260 these other ways.

01:32:12.780 He's not a legacy and he doesn't have

01:32:14.440 millions to get in.

01:32:15.320 So all he can do is hard work and that

01:32:17.300 will still get you a boot on the head.

01:32:19.140 Oh, but it's because of your personality.

01:32:22.660 Right, right, exactly.

01:32:24.180 So that's what I'm helping Americans to

01:32:26.200 realize through my advocacy, through the

01:32:28.900 students for fair admissions case, is that

01:32:31.400 we should be treating hard work like a

01:32:33.420 positive personality trait.

01:32:35.100 OK, think about it.

01:32:37.120 You know, what does it take to study 13

01:32:39.940 hours a week?

01:32:40.820 OK, what does it take to study 20 hours a

01:32:43.100 week?

01:32:43.640 Delayed gratification.

01:32:45.420 That's what it takes.

01:32:46.320 It takes sacrificing your social status,

01:32:50.000 sacrificing your popularity, sacrificing

01:32:52.320 your dating life, probably, you know, being

01:32:55.860 looked upon as a loser in high school for

01:32:58.040 some extent of time.

01:32:59.780 But you you know what you want.

01:33:02.800 Like, couldn't we reward that kind of

01:33:05.060 determination in America?

01:33:06.580 Isn't that what America is about?

01:33:08.440 Everybody makes choices.

01:33:10.040 Everybody makes sacrifices.

01:33:11.280 When you get married, you make a sacrifice

01:33:13.300 because you believe in the goal.

01:33:14.680 And if the goal is higher education, if the

01:33:17.240 goal is opportunity for your family, those

01:33:19.700 are the sacrifices that Asian Americans are

01:33:21.620 disproportionately willing to make and they

01:33:23.640 should be rewarded for it.

01:33:25.080 You point out in the book, you actually go

01:33:27.840 through some studies on like the study

01:33:29.800 habits of different groups and you point

01:33:31.940 out in American high schools, Asian

01:33:34.800 students in Chinatown, for example, study an

01:33:37.320 average of one hundred and ten minutes a

01:33:39.220 day.

01:33:40.180 White children study an average of fifty five

01:33:42.420 minutes a day.

01:33:43.720 Black children study an average of thirty five

01:33:46.060 minutes a day.

01:33:47.720 Now, I suppose these progressives are going

01:33:49.540 to tell us the reason black kids study

01:33:52.100 thirty five minutes is white supremacy.

01:33:54.680 I don't like I don't I don't know.

01:33:57.360 You tell me, Kenny, like if they put you in

01:33:59.020 charge of addressing this, what would you do?

01:34:02.040 Well, this is the part where I disagree with

01:34:05.020 a lot of reactionary conservatives who just

01:34:07.660 want a laissez faire system in which

01:34:09.860 the status quo is allowed to stand.

01:34:13.020 I don't support, you know, white children

01:34:17.080 just getting ahead because, you know, their

01:34:20.460 their daddy has money.

01:34:21.520 Their family has money.

01:34:22.520 Their family has money.

01:34:22.540 I support I support a system fundamentally

01:34:27.060 built on merit.

01:34:28.780 That is what I advocate for.

01:34:31.660 If you believe in this, go by School of Woke.

01:34:35.420 And by the way, I'm on a book tour as well.

01:34:38.660 School of Woke dot com is where you can find me

01:34:41.980 and hire me to speak to your group.

01:34:44.760 School of Woke dot com.

01:34:46.420 It's all about the other thing is critical theory.

01:34:49.380 Obviously, if we want to help black kids

01:34:51.440 who are struggling in school, one of the

01:34:52.960 number one things is school choice.

01:34:54.260 I mean, it's just one of the number one

01:34:55.860 ways of doing it.

01:34:57.060 And who's standing in the way of that?

01:34:58.800 The unions, the progressives, the Democrats.

01:35:01.380 And that's just a fact.

01:35:02.260 And we've had economist after economist

01:35:04.980 and education expert, education expert

01:35:07.060 to come on the show and explain it.

01:35:08.760 Kenny, this is a great insight into how

01:35:10.920 this whole system has been working or

01:35:12.780 in other words, not working.

01:35:14.280 Thank you for writing School of Woke.

01:35:15.580 Thank you.

01:35:18.520 All the best available right now for preorder.

01:35:21.340 And thanks to all of you for joining me today.

01:35:23.760 Tomorrow, guess who's coming on the show?

01:35:25.860 An old pal of mine, Dennis Quaid.

01:35:28.800 He is a great guy.

01:35:30.320 You know, he's starring in the new movie

01:35:31.580 Reagan that's coming out.

01:35:33.540 They're not too distant future, but he's

01:35:34.860 on to talk about a different special project.

01:35:36.980 And he always goes there.

01:35:38.180 Unlike most of these people in Hollywood,

01:35:39.440 he's not afraid to talk about, you know,

01:35:41.600 to go to the place that hurts.

01:35:42.740 So we'll do that together tomorrow and we

01:35:44.540 will have a full rundown for you

01:35:46.400 on what happened today with Devin Archer.

01:35:48.380 I want to tell you that if you have feedback

01:35:49.440 on my interview with Governor Ron DeSantis,

01:35:51.500 email me, megan at M-E-G-Y-N-K-E-L-L-Y dot com.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - July 31, 2023

Hunter's Buddy Testifies, Left's Asian Discrimination, and Non-Woke Sports, with Josh Holmes, Jonathan Isaac, and Kenny Xu ｜ Ep. 598

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