The Megyn Kelly Show - Inappropriate Messaging to Our Kids, and Being Skeptical of Power, with Jeremy Boreing and Bryan Dean Wright

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00:01:01.360 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

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00:01:12.420 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

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00:01:38.480 On the show today, my old pal Jeremy Boring.

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00:03:30.040 Joining me now is the anything but boring Jeremy Boring, co-CEO of The Daily Wire and founder of the brand new razor company.

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00:03:41.560 How's it going, JB?

00:03:43.380 So happy to be here and so happy to see you.

00:03:45.520 And I didn't know that you had just had LASIK.

00:03:47.840 And when the screen popped up and I saw you looking fabulous as always with your sunglasses, I felt really shamed.

00:03:54.280 Like, I don't belong here.

00:03:55.200 I'm not stylish.

00:03:56.220 I'm not fashionable.

00:03:57.940 You know, I decided to go for like a summer Maryland look today.

00:04:01.060 Because if you're going to wear your sunglasses on the air, might as well just lean in.

00:04:05.180 Fabulous.

00:04:05.940 Thank you.

00:04:06.920 Well, we're going to get to how you restyled Ben Shapiro.

00:04:09.680 One of the many things I learned about you.

00:04:11.480 A little fashion king.

00:04:12.500 I didn't know that in a minute.

00:04:14.680 So I could use your fashion advice.

00:04:16.760 But this is where I want to kick it off today.

00:04:19.240 So much to talk about.

00:04:20.280 Can we just talk about this news headline, though?

00:04:22.420 Dr. Fauci's back in the news since it's a slow news week.

00:04:25.020 I guess they decided to book him again.

00:04:27.200 I caught him back up.

00:04:27.740 So this is what his new message on COVID.

00:04:30.780 Jeremy's found a new message for April of 2022.

00:04:34.580 And this is it.

00:04:35.340 Sod 8.

00:04:35.840 This is not going to be eradicated and it's not going to be eliminated.

00:04:39.160 And what's going to happen is that we're going to see that each individual is going to have to make their calculation of the amount of risk that they want to take.

00:04:47.900 We're going to have to live with some degree of virus in the community.

00:04:53.120 Oh, really?

00:04:54.580 Really?

00:04:56.520 Jeremy.

00:04:57.460 Oh.

00:04:58.360 I had not seen that.

00:05:00.080 Right?

00:05:00.640 I had neither.

00:05:01.520 Twice.

00:05:01.920 So it's going to be up to us to determine our own individual risk.

00:05:06.800 Thank you, benevolent leader.

00:05:09.920 Unbelievable.

00:05:10.600 I mean, I just can't wait for him to be banned from YouTube and Twitter for saying so.

00:05:14.120 Exactly right.

00:05:15.120 You should ban him on the Daily Wire.

00:05:18.440 I mean, it's remarkable, right?

00:05:19.680 This guy's been lording over the rest of us for the last two years, while almost every rational person has been saying,

00:05:24.860 yeah, you can't eradicate an airborne contagion.

00:05:28.340 We're going to have to assume some risk.

00:05:29.800 We're going to have to make our own risk calculations.

00:05:31.540 And we've essentially been called everything from grandma killers to Nazis for saying so.

00:05:36.660 What's really amazing to me, though, I think, we haven't seen this guy in, I don't know, two months or something, really,

00:05:41.640 when the Dems started realizing they were polling badly on shutting down the world, destroying the mental health of children,

00:05:47.400 breaking the economy, and starting wars all over the place.

00:05:49.720 And they just got rid of Fauci altogether.

00:05:51.500 And I like to think that his last gasp at fame is to come out as a diehard conservative.

00:05:56.340 That's what we're going to see from his dad.

00:05:57.840 It's going to start sounding like Laura Ingraham day after day.

00:06:01.080 You know, here's what ticks me off, though, because, okay, this is almost like the refunding the police.

00:06:06.100 Do you know what I mean?

00:06:06.640 Like, they do it quietly after they've completely screwed your life up, your community's life up, you know, to the cost of many untold millions.

00:06:15.440 Because he, with the tail between the legs, quietly says, it's going to be up to people to make their own individual risk assessment.

00:06:21.460 You know, I have to learn how to live with COVID.

00:06:23.520 Okay, you've already ruined people's lives.

00:06:26.420 You've ruined the education of children, teenage girls' suicides up 50% and so on.

00:06:30.960 Just this week, my son, my sixth grader, on Saturday night, he was exposed to a friend who has COVID, as it turns out.

00:06:39.700 The kid has COVID.

00:06:41.880 So my son is considered a close contact.

00:06:45.380 So guess what?

00:06:46.060 He has to miss the next five days of school.

00:06:49.340 My son, who doesn't have COVID, he has no symptoms of COVID.

00:06:52.420 He can't go to school for five days because they're following the dumbass CDC recommendations that close contacts have to quarantine, too, for five days.

00:07:03.360 And you know why?

00:07:04.080 I'll tell you what.

00:07:04.720 I mean, I love our school, but this is punitive because if my son were vaccinated, he could go right back to school and he would just have to take a test after five days.

00:07:12.620 That's it.

00:07:13.200 But they they're punishing the unvaccinated kids to try to guilt the parents into getting the vaccinations.

00:07:18.240 Well, guess what?

00:07:18.760 It's not going to work.

00:07:19.660 In fact, it has the opposite effect on me.

00:07:21.360 Yeah, that's right, because you're ornery, which is one of the things I like about you.

00:07:25.700 But what you're really saying, it is punitive, right?

00:07:27.900 They're saying the vaccine doesn't prevent transmission if your son did have it.

00:07:33.520 The vaccine doesn't really increase your chance, your son's chances of surviving it.

00:07:38.100 He's he's young.

00:07:38.940 He's going to survive it.

00:07:39.880 I mean, almost statistically, certainly going to survive it.

00:07:42.220 So there's actually no actual benefit to the policy they're taking, except, as you say, getting even.

00:07:48.360 The one thing I disagree with you about, though, is you say that Fauci comes out tail between the legs and kind of whispers, hoping not to be heard, that now we have to make our own risk calculation.

00:07:57.320 I don't find it that way at all.

00:07:58.300 He went on national television and said it without even a grimace or a groan.

00:08:02.440 And I think it just goes to show the complete power that the left has in all cultural institutions at this point, that he can spend two years saying one thing, now say something in complete contravention of what he's been saying all along.

00:08:15.000 He never has to acknowledge that any change has occurred.

00:08:17.940 It's just what he said yesterday was the science.

00:08:20.240 What he says today is the science.

00:08:21.680 What he says tomorrow will be the science.

00:08:23.740 And that's how it is.

00:08:24.380 Same with refunding the police.

00:08:26.280 They're never held to account.

00:08:28.000 They're never held to any consequence.

00:08:29.120 I say all the time the way fact-checking works, which is in any sort of non-mainstream media, one of the great burdens that we have to face is all of the fact-checkers, particularly in social media.

00:08:41.180 And the missing context fact-check is the most egregious.

00:08:44.440 Essentially, if the Daily Wire writes a story and we say, like, Joe Biden is the president, we'll get a fact-check, missing context.

00:08:52.200 We didn't also say that he is a great president.

00:08:54.440 Meanwhile, the left can wildly change their positions on any policy.

00:09:00.680 They never get held to account.

00:09:01.880 They can parrot talking points.

00:09:04.280 I mean, almost everyone in America uses the term, don't say gay, when referring to the legislation down in Florida.

00:09:09.660 That's a partisan talking point that you will hear echoed by the New York Times, the Washington Post, CNN, and the entire establishment media.

00:09:17.840 Never are they fact-checked for the fact that the bill doesn't say don't say gay anywhere in it.

00:09:21.920 I mean, it's just remarkable the latitude that they have to say anything that they want to say, disconnected from anything they've ever said before, with absolutely not even consequence in the form of a subtle pushback from anyone who's interviewing them.

00:09:33.920 But then did you see the amount of putback when the other side started to say, OK, we'll call it the anti-grooming bill.

00:09:39.240 That's what we'll call it, because it's not a don't say gay.

00:09:41.760 That's certainly not a don't say.

00:09:42.680 So, you know, we say it's the anti-grooming bill.

00:09:46.560 Oh, it's not.

00:09:48.060 This isn't grooming.

00:09:49.440 What these teachers want to do isn't grooming.

00:09:51.520 How dare you?

00:09:52.380 Like the indignation at spin the other way was everywhere.

00:09:56.720 Yeah.

00:09:57.520 What you're doing is an assault against those who have been groomed.

00:10:00.900 Right.

00:10:01.700 Sure.

00:10:02.120 Yeah.

00:10:03.060 Basically.

00:10:03.600 But that argument is essentially don't talk to my kid about your sex life and the teacher who's like how I if I want to say I was out with my partner over the weekend, I can't.

00:10:12.120 First of all, you can you can mention your partner.

00:10:14.140 There's nothing in the Florida law that doesn't allow you to mention your partner.

00:10:17.480 You cannot do sex education on homosexual lifestyle, et cetera, or transgender issues at the K through three levels.

00:10:28.840 That's it.

00:10:29.300 Until the kid is eight.

00:10:31.040 And yeah, education, that's it.

00:10:32.860 It's instruction in the class.

00:10:34.760 It's not a reference to being out with your partner.

00:10:37.740 And if I were gay and I had a partner and I said I was out with my partner, the kid said, what's a partner?

00:10:42.560 I would say that's the person with whom I spend my life.

00:10:45.520 And if I were gay, I'd say, and she's this.

00:10:47.980 And if they said, you have a girl partner, I'd say, yes, go home and ask your parents about it.

00:10:51.620 That's it.

00:10:52.180 You know, you don't run afoul of anything.

00:10:54.140 Yeah.

00:10:54.520 Our friend Vivek Ramaswamy calls it the wait till eight bill, which I think is far more accurate and really puts in context what we're talking about.

00:11:01.040 We're talking about very, very, very young children being exposed to ideas from educators.

00:11:06.680 By the way, ideas in many cases that the educators don't want the parents to know that they're exposing their children to, which maybe is the first indication that it's not something that should be going on.

00:11:15.700 But to your point, of course, there are ways to talk about these issues.

00:11:18.740 No one's suggesting or no reasonable person is suggesting that we don't live in the world we actually live in.

00:11:23.260 What we're saying is there are right ways to navigate these waters and wrong ways to navigate these waters.

00:11:28.140 And that parents have every right to determine how they want their children exposed to these ideas.

00:11:34.220 These ideas, by the way, which are novel and radical.

00:11:36.580 I mean, you know, we can talk about transgenderism.

00:11:40.920 We talk about homosexuality.

00:11:42.240 Homosexuality certainly in some form has always existed.

00:11:44.800 But the way that we're treating these issues in our society right now is completely novel in all of human history.

00:11:50.620 And so if you're going to take what definitionally are radical sex and gender theories, radical race theories also, which we're teaching to kids now, which have never existed.

00:11:58.840 That no one has ever thought or taught at any point in human history.

00:12:02.640 I think it's worth saying, well, maybe kids aren't a great place to engage in social experimentation and maybe kids need to be provided the most stable environment possible.

00:12:12.320 And if we want to engage in these other debates, we should do it at the level of adults.

00:12:15.860 But of course, we're not allowed to debate any of these issues as adults.

00:12:18.280 You'll get shut down out of social media, driven out of the public square.

00:12:21.340 It's the real hubris of the left that they think that they can reorder society completely without having a single conversation about it.

00:12:27.520 That's that's kind of the thing I gripe about.

00:12:29.480 You know, I'm like a speech absolutist, really.

00:12:31.980 I think in particular on major issues, we have an obligation to actually talk about them.

00:12:36.620 We have an obligation to ruffle each other's feathers and offend one another and really and really chew into these issues.

00:12:43.340 And the left doesn't want any of that.

00:12:44.500 They see speech as some sort of act of violence, which is just a way of saying, let us do whatever we want and shut up.

00:12:50.740 That's right. Well, and and you've been making this point forever, which is for far too long.

00:12:54.640 And I don't want to say it's just conservatives because I think it's just rational people opposed to this crazy agenda have done as told.

00:13:01.860 They've done as instructed, just kept their mouth shut.

00:13:04.240 They didn't want to be called the names.

00:13:05.620 And you've really been leading the battle of stop being so silent.

00:13:09.560 Fight. Yeah. Like speak up.

00:13:11.880 To your point, we we did a poll at the Daily Wire.

00:13:14.700 We noticed something was happening in all the national polling around the Florida legislation,

00:13:18.080 which is that instead of actually presenting the people being polled with the text of the bill itself,

00:13:24.820 pollsters were framing language to present to parents and or to the people being polled.

00:13:29.520 And the language was always really slanted.

00:13:31.500 So we did a poll where we just presented a thousand people nationwide with the actual text of the bill.

00:13:36.420 37 percent of them Democrats, 32 percent of them Republicans, the rest of independents.

00:13:40.500 What we discovered is everyone opposes teaching kids under eight in public schools, you know,

00:13:46.800 these radical sex and gender theories.

00:13:48.620 The majority of Democrats, the majority of independents, obviously the majority of Republicans.

00:13:52.480 So, of course, it's not actually partisan where the average American is concerned.

00:13:57.700 It's partisan only in the sense that the parties have the sort of radical elements in particular

00:14:02.800 in the Democrat Party sort of drive the ship at the moment.

00:14:05.780 But almost everyone agrees that kids don't need to be subjected to this kind of stuff.

00:14:09.720 And that's why I think the Daily Wire has a lot of success right now when we do fight back

00:14:13.800 against these kinds of ideas, because, yes, of course, conservatives really support what we're doing.

00:14:19.580 But I think a lot of people are offended by what's happening in the country, particularly where kids are concerned.

00:14:25.260 I think a lot of people feel betrayed by companies like Disney, who were a major part of their childhood,

00:14:30.880 probably their parents' childhood, and they always imagined would be an important part of their own children's childhood.

00:14:35.700 And when you hear that, no, they've gone all in now on inculcating radical sex and gender theory

00:14:41.260 into incredibly small children, that's just too much for people.

00:14:45.020 Yeah.

00:14:45.360 Oh, I mean, I love it because people are like, they aren't teaching.

00:14:50.300 They're teaching tolerance or on the critical race theory.

00:14:53.100 They're only teaching history.

00:14:54.400 And I, having lived this, you know, firsthand with my own children, say, OK, whatever you can call.

00:15:00.360 I don't care what you call it.

00:15:01.960 You can call whatever you want.

00:15:03.300 We'll call it.

00:15:03.620 We'll use whatever terms you want.

00:15:05.460 My eight-year-old sat in a class where they told him and his other little buddies that when they turned 18,

00:15:11.340 they could chop off their penises if they wanted to become women,

00:15:13.780 and they could take puberty blockers between then and now, between 8 and 18,

00:15:17.660 to stave off manhood if that was their choice.

00:15:21.120 And when the parents confronted the science teacher on why she said that to them,

00:15:25.760 she said, we take the conversation wherever the boys lead it.

00:15:29.000 Oh, sure.

00:15:29.900 OK.

00:15:30.500 So the eight-year-old boys led that.

00:15:33.600 And by the way, totally inappropriate anyway.

00:15:35.620 If I followed the conversation every time my eight-year-old took me to an inappropriate place,

00:15:38.700 I'd live there.

00:15:39.520 Oh, my God.

00:15:40.140 You don't do that as a responsible grown-up.

00:15:43.300 So that's number one.

00:15:44.000 And then on the race stuff, again, you can call it wherever you want.

00:15:47.300 Don't teach in my school, in my son's school, that, quote,

00:15:51.580 in every classroom where white children learn there is a future killer cop.

00:15:56.960 Because that's what you wanted as mandated reading for every faculty member who has access to my two sons.

00:16:04.600 You can call it whatever the hell you want.

00:16:06.720 Screw you.

00:16:07.640 Stop teaching it.

00:16:08.620 I don't see RT.

00:16:09.500 And it's happening.

00:16:10.920 So you need people who say this Florida bill is unnecessary.

00:16:14.320 Tell it to my son's third-grade science teacher.

00:16:17.520 She was nine months pregnant, so we couldn't yell at her.

00:16:19.740 But we were angry.

00:16:21.180 We were angry at this woman for presuming to do what this bill now specifically says in Florida you may not do.

00:16:27.520 Yeah, that's right.

00:16:28.420 The left's favorite trick is do something radical.

00:16:31.920 When anyone says, hey, that's radical, say we're not doing it.

00:16:34.980 There's nothing radical is even happening.

00:16:37.020 Also, you aren't allowed to take any steps to stop if it were happening.

00:16:40.620 And then within about six months, they'll say, yes, it's happening and it's good.

00:16:44.240 And then after it fails miserably, they'll come back and say, we shouldn't do that.

00:16:48.240 No one ever should have done it.

00:16:49.520 We were never in favor of it.

00:16:51.060 Yeah, we were never in favor of it.

00:16:52.280 Exactly.

00:16:52.520 Now, another school, two points, in New York City, we weren't at Dalton, but Dalton's even crazier than our schools, if that's possible, or at least was.

00:17:01.580 It still is.

00:17:02.780 And they were sort of going out on the limb.

00:17:05.160 We sort of covered the gender stuff and the race stuff.

00:17:09.280 But also the inappropriate, like, sex education, like sex about your bodies, whether it's kink, too much education about sex too soon.

00:17:18.960 This was a cartoon at Dalton.

00:17:21.260 Is this a soundbite or a full screen, team?

00:17:23.300 I guess it's a soundbite.

00:17:25.440 Oh, it's the woman who she, even this woman wound up getting shamed for doing this because the parent body fought back.

00:17:31.380 But here's this woman who was brought in to educate, I think it was kindergartners, first graders, say again?

00:17:39.880 Yeah, first grade on their, on what happens to one's body parts.

00:17:44.020 Listen to this.

00:17:45.880 Hey, how come my penis gets big sometimes and points up in the air?

00:17:50.060 That's called an erection.

00:17:51.940 Sometimes I touch my penis because it feels good.

00:17:55.220 Sometimes when I'm in my bath or when mom puts me to bed, I like to touch my vulva, too.

00:18:00.240 You have a clitoris there, Kayla, that probably feels good to touch the same way Keith's penis feels good when he touches it.

00:18:07.560 But have you ever noticed that older kids and grown-ups don't touch their private parts in public?

00:18:12.960 Hmm, they don't?

00:18:14.760 That's right, Keith.

00:18:16.060 It's okay to touch yourself and see how different body parts feel, but it's best to only do it in private.

00:18:23.700 Oh, my God.

00:18:25.260 This woman came in and she showed that video to a bunch of first graders.

00:18:28.680 Unbelievable.

00:18:29.160 Well, you hear about this camp that's happening in Indianapolis where they're teaching third through fifth graders how to use a condom.

00:18:35.360 Oh, my God.

00:18:36.740 They've lost their mind.

00:18:37.460 Yeah, there's some great reporting that one of our Daily Wire reporters did on this.

00:18:41.200 You pay $250, drop your third grade student off, and they learn how to put a condom on.

00:18:45.340 By the way, in a mixed gender environment, they're not segregating the kids by gender because they say gender is a spectrum,

00:18:51.700 so it would be impossible to even know how to separate kids at this point.

00:18:55.420 And all kids of all genders need to know how to put a condom on at eight years old.

00:18:59.080 I mean, it's absolute insanity.

00:19:00.900 What I can't believe is that the left hasn't learned anything.

00:19:04.080 I mean, look at what happened in Loudoun County last October.

00:19:07.260 Look at the results of the election there last November.

00:19:10.060 Unseated.

00:19:11.120 Terry McAuliffe put Youngkin in as governor there.

00:19:14.040 No political group in America has ever been stupid enough to mobilize parents as a voting demographic.

00:19:21.100 Until right now, the left has somehow managed to turn parents into a voting demographic,

00:19:25.940 and they're going to bear quite a harvest, I think, for their efforts.

00:19:29.580 The gosh, I can't remember the number, but I was listening to the Daily Wire's morning podcast.

00:19:35.060 It's called Morning Wire.

00:19:35.960 I love it this morning.

00:19:37.440 And they were talking about something like a 19 point Republican advantage on the generic ballot right now.

00:19:42.540 I mean, it's it's crazy.

00:19:43.920 It's it's definitely double digits.

00:19:45.680 And it hasn't been this promising for the GOP since Newt Gingrich and the contract with America back in the 1994, I think.

00:19:52.440 It's it's looking like it's going to be a bloodbath akin to what we saw during when Obama said he took a thumping after he pushed through Obamacare without majority support of the American people.

00:20:01.760 I mean, because, as you say, they have mobilized parents and they won't back down.

00:20:06.500 They backed off of defund the police, but they aren't backing off of this stuff at all.

00:20:12.040 The woke stuff.

00:20:12.960 They won't back off of that.

00:20:14.900 They can't.

00:20:15.360 I mean, it's it's a trap of their own making.

00:20:18.120 Right.

00:20:18.340 They've they've essentially mobilized the most radical elements of their base around these ideas.

00:20:23.220 And now if they move off of them, they're worried that they'll you know, they can absorb the loss of one election, but they can't absorb the loss of their base.

00:20:30.100 I think that that's what their calculation is right now.

00:20:32.620 You know, I think most Americans are fairly stunned at what a radical Joe Biden is as president on these social issues.

00:20:40.440 You know, they think we've known Joe Biden since he was literally too young to actually serve in the Senate.

00:20:44.420 And had to wait for his birthday in order to be sworn into his seat.

00:20:47.880 So, you know, they think we understand the guy.

00:20:50.540 They I think what they failed to actually comprehend is that someone survives in politics that long by being a shrewd political operator.

00:20:58.140 And he understands the moment that he's in where his base is concerned.

00:21:01.040 You know, does does Nancy Pelosi not believe in gender and if not in the gender binary and if not, when did she stop believing in the gender binary?

00:21:09.720 Her entire career has essentially been premised on the gender binary and, you know, the feminism of the of the 60s, 70s, 80s.

00:21:17.180 So, I mean, the entire notion is nonsensical that they actually think these things.

00:21:20.600 What they think is they aren't going to be able to win if they don't say them.

00:21:24.100 And so I think that's the trap they're in.

00:21:26.120 And, you know, you hate to see it.

00:21:29.240 You hate to see it happen to such a nice guy.

00:21:31.260 You hate to see it.

00:21:32.080 Well, was it this weekend?

00:21:33.540 The girl from Harry Potter.

00:21:36.140 God, what's her name?

00:21:37.340 You know, the one not.

00:21:39.020 It's the girl who played the the Harry Potter.

00:21:41.540 Hermione.

00:21:42.300 Emma Watson.

00:21:43.040 Emma Watson was out there.

00:21:44.960 She was trending on Twitter because she was like, of course, I'd use the bathroom with the transfer.

00:21:49.540 Of course, there's no problem with seeing that come into the locker room or come into the bat.

00:21:53.940 Like and people are like, snap.

00:21:55.740 So, girl, blah, blah.

00:21:56.960 Right.

00:21:57.200 OK.

00:21:58.660 Some of us didn't believe that society could ever get this.

00:22:02.980 Like, of course, you know, you're if your 10 year old girl has to see a penis in the locker room, you just and you have a problem with it.

00:22:08.640 That's your bigotry.

00:22:09.680 You just suck it up and that's your daughter's bigotry.

00:22:12.020 And you just educate her better.

00:22:13.420 So she's not a bigot like you.

00:22:15.260 Some of us thought this was an insane like point of view that we could never get that far out there on things like, you know, people who menstruate or chest feed or.

00:22:26.040 But that sage Dennis Prager who got he takes a beating.

00:22:30.580 He's always taken a beating.

00:22:32.200 He's a conservative guy.

00:22:33.600 He's brilliant.

00:22:34.340 But he's been ahead of the curve on warning on some of these social issues.

00:22:37.960 And people are like, lunatic, conservative, you know, Bible thumper, you know, dismiss, dismiss.

00:22:45.520 Listen to Dennis Prager.

00:22:47.000 This is soundbite seven.

00:22:48.060 A couple of years ago, predicting the future.

00:22:52.840 Twenty nineteen.

00:22:54.020 To say America is anti-Semitic is a lie to say it is racist is a lie.

00:22:58.660 OK, these are giant left wing lies.

00:23:00.860 We're talking about degrees.

00:23:01.620 To say that men can menstruate is a lie.

00:23:04.740 And that is now that is what is said.

00:23:08.080 Wait, wait, wait.

00:23:09.120 Hey, where did that?

00:23:09.700 I never heard it.

00:23:10.540 You never heard it.

00:23:11.460 OK, check it out, folks.

00:23:13.740 Check it out.

00:23:14.800 Anyone who says a man cannot menstruate is considered transphobic.

00:23:18.820 I missed this whole story.

00:23:20.820 You did.

00:23:21.580 I did.

00:23:22.060 I did.

00:23:22.500 Tell me where you're getting this.

00:23:24.220 Just Google it.

00:23:24.980 Can men menstruate?

00:23:25.820 Who is saying this?

00:23:27.040 You're talking about a very small percentage.

00:23:28.920 Really?

00:23:29.420 Then how do you allow men, biological men, to run against women in the races in Connecticut

00:23:34.660 and set all the high school records?

00:23:36.520 OK, I know.

00:23:37.600 They're called men.

00:23:38.800 The Nation magazine said they're women.

00:23:41.300 OK, but I would agree with you on that.

00:23:42.960 The way you framed it is nonsense.

00:23:44.840 Even Martina Navratilova came out and said, this is ridiculous.

00:23:48.620 You might as well not have women's sport.

00:23:50.840 This is a far cry from saying men can menstruate.

00:23:54.200 I agree.

00:23:55.140 But that's not where anyone went with that but you.

00:23:58.040 Oh, that is not true.

00:23:58.360 OK.

00:23:59.100 At the University of Berkeley men's room, tampons are given out.

00:24:06.040 Check it out.

00:24:07.100 Dennis, I remember you in the old show.

00:24:09.600 You were a little more reasonable.

00:24:14.740 What did I say that wasn't under you?

00:24:17.140 You said that we think that men menstruate and no one does.

00:24:20.780 We never know.

00:24:21.500 Have you heard about it?

00:24:22.620 I'm a doctor.

00:24:23.220 I missed that one, I confess.

00:24:24.240 This is one of the premier reporters.

00:24:26.280 I mean, he knows everything.

00:24:28.360 Yep.

00:24:29.820 That's crazy.

00:24:31.900 Yeah.

00:24:32.520 Three years.

00:24:34.520 Wow.

00:24:35.580 Three years it took to get from nobody thinks that to essentially now even Bill Maher himself

00:24:41.240 as a as an advocate against this kind of insanity that's that's permeating our culture.

00:24:45.940 Right.

00:24:46.700 And you and people go along with this nonsense like they they actually and and challenging

00:24:52.800 that you'll get somebody will call you a bigot.

00:24:55.280 OK, call me a bigot all day long.

00:24:56.920 Men do not menstruate.

00:24:57.960 Only women do that.

00:24:58.780 Only women give birth to babies.

00:25:00.280 And only women are women.

00:25:01.600 And then there are trans women.

00:25:02.660 And I understand there's room for them, too.

00:25:04.100 But that's not the same thing as a woman.

00:25:07.400 Yeah.

00:25:07.900 Right.

00:25:08.240 I mean, you're taking kind of a classical liberal point of view, which says that we can

00:25:11.740 actually tolerate differences in our society.

00:25:14.000 And unfortunately, the left has become utterly intolerant and says, no, absolutely no dissent

00:25:19.500 will be will be accepted.

00:25:21.240 You must say that reality is what we say reality is.

00:25:25.080 And this is why I think Prager seems prescient, because he Dennis sort of occupies this unique

00:25:29.680 space in the national conversation where he does take a very religious view of how how

00:25:37.940 civilization actually works.

00:25:39.500 But it it isn't like a preacher's religious point of view.

00:25:42.400 It's a it's more like a theologian's, although that's not really the appropriate word in Judaism.

00:25:46.940 It's more like a theologian's point of view.

00:25:48.520 Right.

00:25:48.800 Dennis is is actually assuming that things that humans have believed were true for thousands

00:25:53.460 of years are true.

00:25:54.480 And then looking at what's happening in the culture and how it juxtaposes with that.

00:25:58.600 And so, you know, he can kind of see the the encroaching Gnosticism of, you know, the

00:26:03.900 sort of separation of the mind and the body, which is a very old heresy in Christianity,

00:26:09.200 which Dennis is well aware of.

00:26:10.900 And you see that really playing out with this trans movement.

00:26:12.960 You see it playing out with half of Silicon Valley, believing that they can upload the ones

00:26:16.980 and zeros that are the human mind into a system and separate you completely from your body

00:26:21.580 and you'll never die.

00:26:22.860 Right.

00:26:23.600 What?

00:26:24.100 And that makes for some great that makes for some great science fiction, but it makes absolutely

00:26:27.700 no sense.

00:26:28.200 It doesn't even pass the most common sense like smell test.

00:26:32.140 But they they believe it because they're much, much smarter than common sense.

00:26:35.720 And that's kind of where we are.

00:26:36.860 We're in this weird moment where everyone is just too damn smart to actually accept that

00:26:41.600 anyone who ever lived before them could have been right about anything, while at the same

00:26:45.660 time, everyone is far too fearful of being publicly criticized or driven out of the public

00:26:51.880 square to actually say that the king is naked when he obviously is.

00:26:56.440 That I mean, his prediction and the way three years ago, I mean, I was me asking me of 2015,

00:27:04.700 you know, when I first was 2019, three years ago, my God.

00:27:09.240 Yeah.

00:27:10.840 And the the the distance, like just disbelief that that could be happening anywhere.

00:27:15.880 Now, of course, Bill Maher, he would be very familiar with that.

00:27:18.480 Ronan Farrell, all of those panelists would be very familiar with that line.

00:27:21.840 And I it scares me like I don't we have to stop it.

00:27:25.580 And the only way to start stopping it is to start talking about it and how absurd it is.

00:27:30.540 You guys have been doing that.

00:27:32.580 The Daily Wire has got a lot of great commentators.

00:27:34.960 I love them all, including Michael Knowles.

00:27:37.960 And you always you always tease him.

00:27:44.200 So mean, God King, so mean.

00:27:46.820 So he got not in trouble.

00:27:48.780 But one of your advertisers decided to attack him to attack the show because he was he was

00:27:56.860 standing up for gender as being a legit thing.

00:28:00.440 I don't remember his exact quote, but some stupid razor company named Harry's had been

00:28:07.480 an advertiser on The Daily Wire and they made the mistake of listening to a Twitter account

00:28:11.280 that I think literally had two followers.

00:28:13.160 What a bunch of dumb asses.

00:28:15.200 And tell us what happened, Jeremy.

00:28:16.680 Yeah.

00:28:17.680 Well, Michael made the mistake of saying that gender dysphoria is historically been categorized

00:28:23.440 as a mental illness.

00:28:24.480 And to your point, someone on Twitter with two followers, I believe a high school student

00:28:28.480 with two followers pointed this out to Harry's who had been a longtime advertiser on not only

00:28:33.680 that show, but across The Daily Wire.

00:28:35.060 And they immediately sprung into action to alert the woke mob to the fact that there'd been

00:28:40.240 a terrible misunderstanding.

00:28:41.100 They had absolutely no idea.

00:28:42.660 They were outraged, shocked, I tell you, to discover that the conservative media company

00:28:46.840 that they did business with had conservative points of view.

00:28:49.560 They put out a tweet saying that our views were inexcusable and that they were going to

00:28:54.280 end their sponsorship right away and also review all of their sponsorships for other signs

00:28:58.180 of, quote, values misalignment.

00:29:00.360 Oh, and they're going to put it on your permanent record.

00:29:02.260 Yeah, I can't put it on your permanent record.

00:29:04.600 Exactly.

00:29:05.800 Obviously, you know something is wrong when you understand that corporations are inherently

00:29:11.400 cowardly because controversy they think is bad for the bottom line.

00:29:14.440 Of course, that makes absolute sense.

00:29:16.320 But you know that something's really out of whack when their cowardice manifests in this

00:29:20.680 way, that they are more afraid of a high school student with two Twitter followers than

00:29:25.060 a major media company with 48 million social media followers under management.

00:29:29.880 They have absolutely no fear of us because we, the conservative media sort of institution,

00:29:38.600 have absolutely never stood up to them.

00:29:40.640 And the reason we've never stood up to them is, by and large, that until very, very recently,

00:29:45.940 there have been large linear networks that controlled the distribution of all of your favorite

00:29:51.880 conservative shows, all the way down to Rush Limbaugh, right?

00:29:55.720 Rush Limbaugh needed Premier, he needed iHeart, he needed access to those 600-some radio stations.

00:30:02.780 You know, when they run boycotts against Tucker, you know, Tucker needs Fox News.

00:30:07.880 He needs access to that, to those affiliate stations around the country.

00:30:12.280 He needs those, you know, Fox needs those carriage fees.

00:30:14.640 And so there's always been this large linear network between, you know, the commentator and

00:30:19.660 the commentator's audience. But that's not true in podcasting. And what really happened here is when

00:30:25.240 Ben appeared at the March for Life back in 2018, obviously, abortion is a controversial issue.

00:30:31.000 It's also an issue where at least half of Americans agree with Ben's point of view, maybe arguably

00:30:37.420 more than half. And yet, $1.5 million worth of advertisers walked out on us the next day because

00:30:44.660 Ben had the audacity to appear at the March for Life. And keep in mind, in 2018, we really needed

00:30:49.200 a million and a half dollars. That was a significant percentage of the Daily Wire's revenue that year.

00:30:54.920 And I got on the phone with these advertisers and I got on the phone with the ad agencies that

00:30:58.580 represent them. And I got on the phone even with our agency partners at Westwood One, who've been very

00:31:03.860 good partners to us. And yet, we're very much on the wrong side of this issue. And I told them,

00:31:08.820 you know, it's one thing if an advertiser wants to take their dollars away from us, that's their right,

00:31:12.940 that's business. Advertisers come and advertisers go all the time. If they don't like the cut of our

00:31:17.980 jib, if the ad isn't performing, whatever, they can leave. But if they make public statements in

00:31:22.860 which they attack us, their partners who have leveraged our own credibility to tell our audience

00:31:28.840 about their product. And if they attack our audience, you know, 50% of the population who we

00:31:34.320 try to speak to, then I'm going to use that same ad inventory to tell our large audience that those

00:31:41.360 advertisers don't want their business. And you would think a nuclear bomb had gone off on this

00:31:46.220 phone call. You can't do that. That's the worst idea I've ever heard. You know, that'll drive out

00:31:51.280 all the advertisers. Everyone will be afraid to advertise with you. You'll lose everything.

00:31:55.960 And I said, I won't lose anything except money. I said, you guys don't actually control our access

00:32:00.480 to the airwaves. At that time, Ben's audience was like a million downloads a day. It's substantially

00:32:04.720 bigger than that now. But I said, we talked to a million people every day with the advertisers,

00:32:08.780 and we'll talk to a million people every day without the advertisers. We talked to a million

00:32:12.360 people every day with the agency support. We'll talk to a million people every day without the

00:32:16.460 agency support. You have absolutely no leverage on us. There's a new sheriff in town. We're not

00:32:21.060 going to play the game. Do not let these advertisers attack us or our audience. Again, they want to go,

00:32:28.160 happily show them the door. If they want to attack us, you know, we're going to get into a war with

00:32:33.140 them. It's on. Right. Because they're not the only ones with market power and the ability to sway an

00:32:38.640 audience. All right. Now, wait, that's a good tease for me to hold the audience over. I'm going to

00:32:43.020 squeeze in an advertisement of my own because the way that Jeremy and the Daily Wire fought back

00:32:48.280 is absolutely brilliant. And it's working. It's working so we can all learn something.

00:32:54.520 We'll play his new ad for you right after this ad.

00:32:59.680 Back with me now, Jeremy Boring, co-founder and co-CEO of The Daily Wire, which is expanding

00:33:11.800 and becoming more and more powerful. And that is a great thing for America. We need something. We

00:33:18.480 need a counter to the left's total dominance over so many facets of our culture. And rather than just

00:33:24.960 sit around whining about it, Jeremy Boring and Ben Shapiro and their backers decided to do

00:33:31.300 something about it. And that leads us to your response, Jeremy. I mean, I realize this is

00:33:36.960 just one small battle that you guys are fighting. We'll get to the large, large, large battles and

00:33:42.840 big, big money that you're investing in fighting bigger cultural battles. But this one's smart and

00:33:47.900 it's very indicative of how you guys are going about it. So you're told back in 2019, you're insane.

00:33:52.700 No advertiser will come to you if you do this. And you said, we don't care. We're going to keep

00:33:57.760 going with or without advertisers. And you, by the way, were shoring up your fan base with

00:34:02.580 subscribers, which was smart. So it was like, we're not going to be totally dependent on the

00:34:06.760 advertisers because we know it's our side that always gets canceled. So we're going to say,

00:34:11.340 and you guys put it out there. You say, please support us just in case we get canceled. Like we

00:34:15.600 need to continue bringing you that product. And by the way, I think you guys just announced

00:34:19.340 like some big, big numbers on the subscriber base, 600,000. Is that what it is? Paying

00:34:24.900 subscribers now?

00:34:26.400 600,000 paying subscribers. They make it possible, right? For us to ensure that we can go toe to toe

00:34:32.000 with these advertisers. And someone has to go toe to toe with these advertisers, right? There's a

00:34:36.100 complete imbalance that happens where essentially only conservatives face the problem of advertiser

00:34:44.880 walkouts. And I say walkouts because there's always kind of this cascading effect to it.

00:34:49.320 You know, it's almost never does one advertiser leave you in a vacuum because when they virtue

00:34:54.360 signal on their way out the door, when they, like Harry's did to us, you know, put out these tweets

00:34:58.760 that say our values are inexcusable, they're essentially telling all of your other advertisers

00:35:03.000 that the only excusable thing to do would be to also drop. And so you wind up with two or three or

00:35:08.200 four of these advertisers always leaving at the same time, which, you know, can do real economic

00:35:12.940 damage to your business. It makes it an attack on the business. It makes it, it's not merely an act

00:35:18.040 of self-defense by the corporation who's trying to, you know, protect themselves from the woke mob.

00:35:22.500 It's also an offensive act against our business. And that's why, you know, I just don't think we can

00:35:28.160 put up with it anymore. I think we have to be able to stand up against it. And so I essentially

00:35:33.100 dealt to the pledge that I would go toe to toe with the next company that did this to us. And I

00:35:39.040 didn't. A couple of years go by, there's another episode, some advertisers walked out. I talked big

00:35:46.120 again about what I was going to do. And I could tell the agencies didn't really believe me. They

00:35:50.640 were tired of being on, hearing me rant and rave. They did go push back on those advertisers and

00:35:56.260 brought some of them back to the table, got them to delete some of their offensive tweets. And I sort

00:36:00.760 of calmed down. But when the Harry's thing happened, I thought, you know, I'm essentially the boy

00:36:06.040 who cried wolf here. If I don't actually act on this, then my threats mean nothing. I've got to

00:36:10.280 put my money where my mouth is. And so I didn't even call our agency partners when Harry's attacked

00:36:15.200 us publicly. I didn't call the agencies that represent Harry's. I didn't try to call Harry's

00:36:20.320 directly. I just let it go and immediately got to work trying to start a racer company,

00:36:25.280 which is, I think, the only way that we can actually fight back. It's not boycotts. I didn't go tell

00:36:30.540 my people that they needed to drop Harry's because how do you boycott these institutions

00:36:36.280 when all of the institutions are essentially infiltrated by the left today? You still need

00:36:41.060 a razor. So whether you dump Harry's and you go over to Gillette, who puts out commercials

00:36:45.780 essentially saying that masculinity is now toxic. In other words, you have no real options because

00:36:51.860 through a strange confluence of social posturing, ESG investing on the street and the left's enormous

00:37:01.380 power to boycott and horrible HR laws that put all these companies essentially at the mercy of their

00:37:06.660 youngest and least experienced and least valuable employees, there's just nowhere to go. So I thought,

00:37:12.900 well, the only real answer is to build an alternative. And we spent a year building Jeremy's Razors,

00:37:16.980 which we announced four weeks ago to great fanfare. I think, you know, some, some say,

00:37:23.480 Megan, I'm not one to brag, but many people have told me the greatest commercial that they've ever

00:37:27.960 seen. Stop it and let, let the audience decide. We, uh, we have about a minute of the two minute ad

00:37:33.740 queued up. Listen to this. Do you remember when there were two genders and only one and a half of

00:37:40.760 them had to shave their mustaches? Oh, hi, I'm Jeremy Boring, CEO and God King of the Daily Wire.

00:37:47.360 Harry's Razors used to advertise on our shows. They're a great product and we were happy to do it.

00:37:52.780 That's before some peon who works for me went and said that boys are boys and girls are girls.

00:37:57.200 And that was just too much for Harry's. They condemned our views. Views held by millions of

00:38:03.340 Americans and virtually every human who's walked the planet until about 15 minutes ago as inexcusable.

00:38:09.040 And they dropped their ads from our network because of what they called values misalignment.

00:38:13.440 You're damn right our values are misaligned. And it's not just Harry's either. Gillette razors used

00:38:19.040 to be the best a man could get. Then they decided that men are too toxic. Unless you're the kind

00:38:25.320 of man who teaches his daughter to shave her beard. If that makes sense to you, keep buying Gillette.

00:38:31.140 But if you've had enough of the woke bullshit and you're tired of paying companies like Harry's

00:38:38.340 and Gillette to hate you.

00:38:39.400 You can buy my new razor instead.

00:38:54.180 He took a flamethrower.

00:38:57.000 But he was running.

00:38:59.240 I love that.

00:39:01.480 And now you want people to buy Jeremy's razors.

00:39:04.560 Jeremy's razors, last I checked, has more Twitter followers than Gillette does.

00:39:09.760 And they've been on Twitter since 2009.

00:39:12.520 You've been on for a month, not even.

00:39:15.280 And how are the sales doing?

00:39:17.900 Great. We're closing in on 60,000 razor subscriptions at the moment,

00:39:21.580 which we think is a pretty good first month.

00:39:24.500 So, you know what?

00:39:25.960 I should have I should have remembered this because I was shaving.

00:39:28.420 I wasn't shaving.

00:39:29.040 I was shopping with my daughter and we were talking about razors and we were in the toiletry

00:39:35.060 aisle at CVS and she was showing me the different things and she picked up Daisy.

00:39:39.820 And you know what, Jeremy, I have to tell you, like I'm a child of the 70s and 80s and I

00:39:43.520 did nothing other than watch TV.

00:39:45.300 My parents never told me to play outside.

00:39:46.840 They were just like watch more television.

00:39:48.440 So I did.

00:39:49.240 And it came to me like the ones that really like almost as good as your ad.

00:39:54.280 When you shave with Daisy, you go a little crazy.

00:39:57.120 Oh, you want to show off your legs.

00:39:59.460 All you want to show is your smooth, soft skin, your crazy daisy shave.

00:40:04.520 Almost as good as Jeremy's razors.

00:40:08.380 I'm tired of putting up there.

00:40:09.600 They're bullshit.

00:40:12.680 High praise.

00:40:13.500 Of course, my commercial is hilarious and fabulous and everyone will love it.

00:40:16.800 It's not the best commercial ever made.

00:40:18.480 It's just the best commercial made in a long time.

00:40:20.660 I actually think it's resonating with people because 10 years ago,

00:40:24.520 this was like every third commercial on TV was irreverent and sexy and funny.

00:40:29.620 And now you watch the Super Bowl and like every ad gets described as important or beautiful or, you know,

00:40:36.700 nobody wants important advertisements for consumer goods.

00:40:40.000 So we just made an old school commercial and the response has been unbelievable.

00:40:44.020 You know, the social media response, enormous.

00:40:45.620 The video has gotten, I don't know, 15, 16 million plays so far.

00:40:50.240 And as I say, 60,000 razors, A, because I think people just respond to,

00:40:55.400 oh, I remember when we could have fun with, I remember we could have fun watching something.

00:41:00.620 And two, because they're just glad that we're punching somebody in the mouth for this,

00:41:04.280 what seems like never ending series of losses that we take in the culture.

00:41:08.960 You know, I like what you're saying.

00:41:10.300 They insult you.

00:41:11.420 They insult you.

00:41:12.320 They insult Knowles, who takes a beating in that ad.

00:41:15.040 You do not give the return high five, left him hanging.

00:41:17.840 But they insult you.

00:41:18.940 They insult Knowles.

00:41:19.660 They insult your audience.

00:41:21.140 It's an attack not just on you, but on your audience to say that these are despicable values

00:41:26.020 or whatever, however they phrased it.

00:41:27.320 Bullshit.

00:41:27.800 Like that's not how the vast majority of Americans feel.

00:41:31.600 That's right.

00:41:32.200 Every person working at Harry's who's above the age 30 had these exact same views in 2017.

00:41:38.640 I mean, it's absurd to think that, you know, something this novel and brand new can instantaneously

00:41:44.280 become the only acceptable point of view.

00:41:46.700 And so, yeah, I think that our audience and even an audience more broad than the Daily

00:41:51.000 Wire's audience, you know, a bigger cross section of Americans are simply tired of these

00:41:56.160 dynamics, these market dynamics where there are no alternatives.

00:41:59.780 And so basically the premise at the Daily Wire is let's do something about it.

00:42:03.460 Let's build alternatives.

00:42:04.620 Let's have an affirmative, positive view of the future.

00:42:06.580 Let's do something constructive instead of just lamenting and grieving all the things

00:42:10.340 that we've lost.

00:42:11.440 Why don't we get busy building the things that can be?

00:42:13.600 You know, like that's the proud alternative to Disney.

00:42:17.960 Like the alternative to Disney.

00:42:19.400 That's right.

00:42:20.140 You know, we've been working on kids content over here at the Daily Wire for the last three

00:42:23.180 months.

00:42:23.640 We've been developing a couple of animated shows.

00:42:26.060 We weren't going to announce them until, you know, end of the year when we get past the

00:42:29.460 election and all of the kind of politics of the moment.

00:42:31.920 But Disney leaked those, Chris Ruffo leaked those unbelievable tapes from Disney of people

00:42:38.000 saying, yeah, you know, we're, we have a not so secret gay agenda and, you know, we're

00:42:42.180 going to put many, many, many, many more examples of all of this into our content aimed at incredibly

00:42:46.580 small children.

00:42:47.660 And we thought, well, we can't sit on this anymore.

00:42:50.680 Somebody's got to get out there and say something and we are doing something.

00:42:53.520 So let's, let's announce it.

00:42:55.260 We announced that we were starting our DW Kids program to sort of coincide with all the

00:43:00.780 entertainment we've been making since 2020.

00:43:03.300 And the reception is unbelievable.

00:43:04.960 And to your point, I think this is a far more important fight than Jeremy's Razors as much

00:43:09.500 as I love the Razor Company.

00:43:11.960 You know, this is, this is the most important fight that we're in.

00:43:14.380 This is the fight for, you know, our ability to raise our kids in a safe environment where

00:43:18.980 we don't have to pre-screen everything, where we don't have to explain how their own

00:43:22.260 eyes lie to them, how, you know, the historic combined wisdom of every single human who's

00:43:26.260 ever walked the face of the earth was wrong.

00:43:27.940 And only the ideas that have been cooked up by gender studies majors could possibly be

00:43:32.840 right.

00:43:33.480 So I think the most important thing we're doing is this kid's, this kid's offering.

00:43:38.680 And I think people are going to love it.

00:43:40.260 I don't know if you've seen any of our movies that we've launched over the last 18 months.

00:43:44.820 Yeah.

00:43:45.340 I know what people expect from us.

00:43:48.680 Their expectations are quite low.

00:43:50.660 And I think when they actually see the content, they can't believe, you know, that we're serious

00:43:54.460 about it, that it's not a joke, but it's not guys, you got the two guys from, um, refresh

00:43:59.260 my memory where they like a legit veggie tales, veggie tales, the two guys who did veggie

00:44:03.240 tales.

00:44:03.540 So they're animators and they know how to do this.

00:44:06.200 And you yourself are of Hollywood.

00:44:08.040 Uh, you're, you know, formerly a Hollywood producer.

00:44:10.760 And, uh, so, you know what you're doing, you know, how to make great content.

00:44:13.200 You just haven't been focused on, you've been focused on news content, but this is part

00:44:16.500 of expanding the daily wire to, to be more of a massive conglomerate that's fighting

00:44:21.360 back against these left wing dominant culture companies that are trying to shove their agendas

00:44:28.620 down our throats.

00:44:29.480 And you've been making the very valid point, which is, look, as, as long as they, whatever

00:44:33.660 their values were, as long as they stayed neutral in their product, we would still patronize

00:44:37.780 them.

00:44:38.000 We would, we, and frankly, you know, everybody needs razors and everybody needs children's,

00:44:42.640 you know, content, whether it's books or movies or what have you.

00:44:45.280 So they just haven't had a lot of alternatives if they wanted to make a cultural point, you

00:44:49.480 know, like, it's not realistic to say like, don't shave and don't turn on the television

00:44:53.440 and never go to the movie with your children.

00:44:55.280 But now there's a realistic alternative.

00:44:57.760 It's crazy to me that this hasn't happened prior to you guys in any meaningful way.

00:45:01.800 But I have a friend who was just, just telling me that she let her two young children sit

00:45:07.360 there watching a movie.

00:45:08.240 I was like, Oh, Disney, you know, we, as moms, we trust Disney dads too.

00:45:11.440 Like, here you go.

00:45:12.000 The kids are three and five and, uh, she turned on red Panda.

00:45:15.760 That sounds fun.

00:45:16.700 It's a movie about a little Panda.

00:45:18.360 It's Disney.

00:45:19.000 And then she left and she did her chores, you know, there's whatever she's, she's cleaning

00:45:22.280 the house with whatever she's doing.

00:45:24.120 And she later finds out that her, she was subjecting her three and a five-year-old to

00:45:27.940 a movie about periods.

00:45:29.240 It's about menstruation.

00:45:30.820 What?

00:45:31.580 Right.

00:45:31.860 They're talking about tampons.

00:45:33.460 Like, wait, no, no.

00:45:36.040 I'll talk to my three-year-old about that in about nine years.

00:45:40.900 You won't do it, Disney.

00:45:43.000 Yeah.

00:45:43.340 Well, the entire premise, I think, of the modern left is that they have to get to your

00:45:47.440 kids before you do.

00:45:48.980 And so they take all kinds of steps, right?

00:45:51.080 To separate you from being in the driver's seat where your kids are concerned.

00:45:54.240 And it's, it's the only way that they can actually win any of these arguments.

00:45:57.440 You know, I don't think the average adult isn't sitting around waiting to be convinced,

00:46:01.500 you know, that boys aren't boys and girls aren't girls.

00:46:03.540 I'm like you, you know, we have a range of opinions at the Daily Wire.

00:46:07.740 You know, it's always fun when like CNN says, far right outlet, the Daily Wire, blah, blah,

00:46:11.880 this and blah, blah, that.

00:46:12.960 And I think, man, if we're far right, what does that mean?

00:46:16.460 Well, we have a very disparate series of, of sort of strains of conservatism that get

00:46:22.800 expressed from very sort of Matt Walsh, the theocratic fascist, you know, to Michael,

00:46:27.440 what's his name?

00:46:27.980 Who's really a Catholic, integralist.

00:46:29.520 So mean.

00:46:31.020 Common good guy, you know, Ben, who,

00:46:33.540 I think is sort of an intellectual product of like the Tea Party, right?

00:46:38.340 He's a, he's a kind of traditional Reagan type American conservative.

00:46:43.720 Yeah.

00:46:44.080 I'm the most liberal of everybody here.

00:46:45.700 I'm a Hollywood conservative.

00:46:47.300 I like to make things.

00:46:48.480 I like to dream about the future.

00:46:51.520 Never, nevertheless, you know, certainly every one of us could get on board with a world where

00:46:57.540 we, where we accept people who are different than us.

00:47:00.600 That's not a problem.

00:47:01.760 Certainly not a problem for me.

00:47:03.500 I just don't want you to tell me what I have to say.

00:47:05.300 I don't want you to tell me what I have to think.

00:47:06.500 That's what you tell me what I have to do.

00:47:07.840 And I sure don't want you telling little bitty children all of these things.

00:47:11.980 As Matt Walsh likes to point out, you know, kids believe in Santa Claus.

00:47:14.980 Their grasp on reality is fairly tenuous.

00:47:17.680 So that's a really, that's a really exploitative thing that Disney is now doing.

00:47:22.680 It's an exploitative thing that these teachers who oppose the bill down in Florida are doing.

00:47:26.740 They really want to be alone with your kids so that they can teach their kids your values

00:47:30.780 without you actually interfering in any way, without you having anything to say about it.

00:47:34.720 It's bullshit.

00:47:35.600 We got to do something about it.

00:47:36.620 Daily Wire is doing something about it.

00:47:38.080 I don't think we're the only ones doing something about it, but I'm proud that we are

00:47:41.380 actively participating in that fight.

00:47:43.000 Well, I'm proud of you too.

00:47:44.160 All right.

00:47:44.300 I promised the audience I would mention how you styled Ben.

00:47:46.240 And Jeremy styled Ben.

00:47:47.600 He found little Ben Shapiro.

00:47:48.880 I think I found Ben Shapiro before you found Ben Shapiro.

00:47:51.400 Did I?

00:47:51.840 I think I did.

00:47:53.240 I don't know.

00:47:53.620 When did you find little Ben?

00:47:54.780 I like it.

00:47:55.240 He was on my show in 2013 on America Live.

00:47:58.960 Yeah.

00:47:59.540 I got involved with Ben probably 2012.

00:48:04.440 We were introduced by-

00:48:05.240 All right.

00:48:05.440 You just said that because I said 2013 to a challenge.

00:48:07.860 No, no, no.

00:48:08.080 We were introduced by Mark Masters.

00:48:10.340 Stop it.

00:48:10.940 You know, it must have actually, it was earlier.

00:48:12.880 It was 2011.

00:48:13.620 I know this.

00:48:14.080 It was 28.

00:48:14.880 I met 20.

00:48:15.480 I met him in the cradle.

00:48:16.940 That's what I meant to say.

00:48:17.760 All right.

00:48:17.920 I got to go through a hard rap.

00:48:19.220 But you're the one who made him so beautiful.

00:48:21.200 Ben is who called me when Andrew Breitbart died.

00:48:22.760 So I know it had to be before 2012.

00:48:25.880 Yeah.

00:48:26.200 Oh, good point.

00:48:27.060 Well, in any event, you're the reason he's a star.

00:48:28.840 He has a lot to thank you for.

00:48:29.980 And so do we.

00:48:31.120 You're awesome, Jeremy.

00:48:32.080 Thanks for coming on.

00:48:32.880 I hope you come back.

00:48:33.860 Thank you for having me.

00:48:34.800 Rock on.

00:48:35.280 Our next guest is Brian Dean Wright, former CIA officer and host of the newly launched podcast,

00:48:44.340 The President's Daily Brief.

00:48:46.380 Lots to discuss today, including no supposed domestic terrorists being found guilty in the

00:48:53.140 supposed kidnapping plot of Governor Gretchen Whitmer, not to mention the situation down at

00:48:57.920 the U.S.-Mexico border.

00:48:59.000 Lots going on.

00:48:59.800 Welcome, Brian.

00:49:00.400 Great to have you here.

00:49:01.160 A very good day to you.

00:49:03.040 OK, so let's kick it off there.

00:49:04.760 The the the left made a big deal out of this trial about these these guys and the alleged

00:49:11.460 kidnapping of Governor Whitmer and how they work together.

00:49:15.160 And this was a symptom of what's wrong with the country under President Donald Trump, who's

00:49:18.980 radicalized people and so on and so forth.

00:49:21.120 We finally got our verdict.

00:49:22.540 And by the way, the feds never lose.

00:49:24.180 They never lose.

00:49:25.140 If they've charged you, you're pretty much screwed because unlike local DAs, they just

00:49:30.460 have the goods.

00:49:30.960 They don't go to trial if they don't have the goods.

00:49:32.700 But we had questions.

00:49:33.900 We had questions in this case.

00:49:35.240 God bless Julie Kelly.

00:49:36.280 Have to give her the tip of the hat.

00:49:38.480 Amen.

00:49:39.420 Right.

00:49:39.760 Because she's been all over this same way she's been all over the January 6th defendants.

00:49:43.680 And of course, she was written off as some loon.

00:49:46.760 She was right.

00:49:47.420 These guys, they they didn't have anything against them.

00:49:50.320 They didn't say nice things.

00:49:51.740 They weren't fans of the governor.

00:49:53.620 They didn't talk, you know, super sweet and aren't going to be invited to Buckingham Palace

00:49:58.280 anytime soon for, you know, tea with the queen.

00:50:01.400 But they're the only two men were found not guilty.

00:50:04.140 And the other two mistrial.

00:50:06.360 The jury couldn't agree on the charges.

00:50:08.720 So you tell me as a former CIA officer what this tells us about our deep state, our security

00:50:14.800 state, not security.

00:50:16.920 What does it tell us?

00:50:18.620 Yeah, well, let's get into the what is a deep state second.

00:50:22.280 And let's first unpack what the heck happened here, because for folks who aren't following

00:50:26.400 the story, it can be a little bit confusing.

00:50:28.100 But what you need to know is that you, your government, your taxpayer dollars set up a bunch

00:50:33.820 of guys who otherwise would not have engaged in any kind of criminal behavior.

00:50:38.540 And the only reason they were able to be charged is because the government gave them

00:50:41.540 a platform to commit terror.

00:50:44.000 Right.

00:50:44.100 So the background of this, a bunch of guys who spent most of their time, I think, talking

00:50:49.620 politics, libertarian ideas, huge fans of guns.

00:50:52.960 And from what I understand, massive amounts of alcohol, crazy amounts of weed.

00:50:58.080 They were high as kites sitting around talking about whatever it is that came to their mind.

00:51:02.320 Right.

00:51:02.540 So a part of that, to your point, is they just didn't like the government, a lot of them

00:51:05.640 libertarian.

00:51:06.500 And the crazy part of the story is, you know, as they started thinking about the ways that

00:51:11.100 they could could strike back in their drunken stupor.

00:51:13.820 One of the guys decided to go to the FBI and say, yeah, we have a problem.

00:51:17.660 I think these guys are bad.

00:51:18.780 Two months later, he says to the FBI, you know, actually, I don't think so.

00:51:22.860 That's when the FBI actually sets up this operation to take this group of terrorists down.

00:51:29.160 So as an American, I think not only myself, everybody watching the show, we should now

00:51:34.680 understand very clearly that the FBI will take you, set you up for a horrible set of

00:51:41.380 charges, not because you're actually going to do it, but because you've complained or

00:51:45.880 bitched, et cetera.

00:51:47.240 And that's really, really chilling.

00:51:48.800 So I think that the lesson that I take from this is that we should all be on the phone and

00:51:53.640 our emails calling our senators or representatives saying this power should be taken away from

00:51:58.860 the FBI absolutely immediately because it's being abused.

00:52:03.580 That's my take on what this horrible case in Michigan really shows us.

00:52:08.240 But to me, it seems tied into the distrust that we have with, in particular, the FBI,

00:52:14.100 but also the CIA.

00:52:15.060 It's just we don't trust this group of people to work for us as opposed to against us anymore.

00:52:21.200 You are so absolutely right.

00:52:22.680 Back in 2017, we all learned why this group of people doesn't deserve our trust.

00:52:29.600 You see, that's when James Comey acknowledged that he took classified information and gave

00:52:34.240 it to The New York Times, not because of any grand reason of corruption, but rather he wanted

00:52:40.300 a special prosecutor, Bob Mueller, to be appointed to investigate these collusion allegations.

00:52:46.820 Now, look, Comey could have taken that information, those allegations, his concerns to Capitol

00:52:51.900 Hill, Hill, to the oversight committees who could have, in turn, done the investigation, but

00:52:57.020 he didn't.

00:52:57.580 Comey leaked it because he wanted that special prosecutor.

00:53:02.100 His own personal biases, his own personal politics led him to take matters into his own

00:53:07.860 hands.

00:53:08.640 And that's really the definition of the deep state.

00:53:11.820 Let me take you back in time.

00:53:13.040 In the 1990s, a guy named Aldrich Ames, he was spying for the Soviets.

00:53:17.940 He was a CIA officer.

00:53:19.520 When the Bureau interviewed him and asked him, why did you do it?

00:53:22.880 Why did you commit treason against your country and speak to the Soviets, become their spy?

00:53:28.360 He said, I know what's best for the nation's security, and I'm going to act on it.

00:53:33.140 Right.

00:53:33.700 That's the definition of the deep state.

00:53:36.100 It's someone who doesn't give a damn about laws and rules.

00:53:39.400 They care about their own personal politics, their own beliefs, and they are the ones who

00:53:43.920 should lead the nation, not to run for office, but instead stay wherever they're at in the

00:53:48.280 FBI or the CIA, the NSA, et cetera.

00:53:50.800 And they're going to use their powers that the American people have given to them, and

00:53:55.660 they're going to act on it based on whatever they desire to do.

00:53:58.660 That's why the American people mistrust, because people like James Comey and others, and they

00:54:04.240 have reason to mistrust these folks.

00:54:06.680 Call them deep state, whatever you want.

00:54:08.320 It's real, and we have absolutely real reasons not to trust them.

00:54:12.680 Yeah.

00:54:12.920 I mean, like Strzok and his gal pal, too, they didn't help any, right?

00:54:16.080 Or them wanting to bring down Trump, making it perfectly clear and thinking they were above

00:54:19.500 the law, even though they were supposed to be the law at the FBI.

00:54:23.660 Let me back up, because I want to know a little bit more about you.

00:54:26.320 So you are a former CIA officer, but where did you grow up?

00:54:30.740 Take us back to young Brian, because I'm sure you weren't thinking back then, CIA officer.

00:54:35.500 No parent looks at their kid.

00:54:37.320 Well, maybe some do.

00:54:38.220 I don't know.

00:54:38.500 I think CIA, right?

00:54:40.000 Because some are quite clever at hiding facts.

00:54:44.080 Right, right?

00:54:44.800 Yeah, the sneaky little ones.

00:54:46.280 You're like, all right, CIA, I can see it.

00:54:48.400 I grew up on my family's ranch in Eastern Oregon.

00:54:51.280 My family's, pardon me, has been farming and ranching since the 1800s that we homesteaded there.

00:54:56.700 And I knew from a very young age that I wanted to do something different.

00:55:00.880 I wanted to keep exploring in the world.

00:55:02.880 And so I think as I grew up, doing something of service, whether it be in the military or

00:55:08.260 in the CIA, was really attractive to me.

00:55:11.020 You know, and it was a great place and a great time to grow up.

00:55:14.780 Politically, my family was mostly conservative Democrats.

00:55:17.800 But as time moved on, you know, our family started to change too.

00:55:23.480 You know, our little small farming community, we had a timber mill and it shut down because

00:55:29.080 environmental concerns.

00:55:30.400 And our little town started withering and frankly dying.

00:55:33.660 And so a lot of people started falling into really bad habits, a lot of booze, a lot of

00:55:38.500 drugs.

00:55:39.680 And, you know, as I saw that, you know, including in my own family, I was like, I'm going to

00:55:43.920 make something of myself.

00:55:45.660 I'm going to do something different.

00:55:48.380 And as I do that, whatever that is, I'm never going to forget where I came from.

00:55:52.320 I'm never going to forget the struggle of the people in my own family, in my own community.

00:55:57.580 And so I was so fortunate to be selected back in 2001, work for the CIA, started just after

00:56:03.940 the 9-11 attacks.

00:56:05.300 Wait, let's go there.

00:56:05.920 What were you doing?

00:56:06.820 How old were you?

00:56:07.400 What were you doing?

00:56:07.860 How were you selected?

00:56:08.900 Did you apply?

00:56:09.700 How did it happen?

00:56:10.560 Yeah.

00:56:11.660 So I tossed in an application online.

00:56:14.180 That's it.

00:56:14.640 But they gave me a call and they said, we'd like to have a chat with you.

00:56:18.080 And so we started this process.

00:56:18.720 What were your qualifications at that point?

00:56:20.320 Like, I always picture it like, you know, how these beautiful girls like, you know, Giselle,

00:56:24.660 whatever, they have a story like, I was walking down the street and then the model search

00:56:27.820 found me and you see Giselle and you're like, yes, that makes sense.

00:56:30.820 That's kind of how I picture it with the CIA.

00:56:32.940 Like, there I was with my furtive glasses.

00:56:35.180 Like today, I'm ready to be recruited by the CIA today.

00:56:39.140 I'm ready, right?

00:56:40.240 Like, I could be, I could try to do damsel in distress.

00:56:42.660 I could try to do like international woman of mystery.

00:56:45.640 How do you get the tap on the shoulder?

00:56:48.620 Yeah.

00:56:48.900 Well, obviously I don't have the face of Giselle or anything close to it.

00:56:52.620 You do.

00:56:53.340 So you would have been hired.

00:56:54.420 So I'm not sure where the hell they hired me, obviously.

00:56:57.420 You have a face for radio.

00:56:59.720 You know, I, my, my focus academically was international studies in Latin America.

00:57:04.880 I'd spent some time in the former Yugoslavia volunteering for different relief organizations,

00:57:10.200 working with refugees.

00:57:11.540 So I had this inclination that I could share about international affairs and that I understood

00:57:17.120 them at a relatively young age.

00:57:18.320 I was 20, let's see, 24 at the time, which is very, very young.

00:57:22.680 Most folks are well into their early thirties.

00:57:25.100 So it was a little bit unusual.

00:57:26.620 And then I just got in front of them and without my Giselle looks, I had to use charm.

00:57:31.200 I had to use my smarts.

00:57:32.780 It's not climactic that you filled out a form online.

00:57:36.900 I wanted something better.

00:57:38.180 I wanted like, well, I was holding up a bank and they flipped me.

00:57:43.580 Right.

00:57:44.880 I've got to work on this story.

00:57:46.840 It is not good enough.

00:57:48.180 So how long were you active in the CIA?

00:57:53.000 Yeah, for well over a decade, I was involved in the intelligence community, generally speaking

00:57:56.720 in the CIA for, uh, for well over those 10 years.

00:57:59.480 And then I've had a very, very, uh, tremendous honor and pleasure of teaching the next generation

00:58:05.100 of, of America's spies.

00:58:06.240 So that's been a lot of fun as well.

00:58:08.080 Okay.

00:58:08.680 So, so you can be of the agency, but be critical of the, the soul whole system, the intelligence

00:58:15.800 system.

00:58:16.620 How do you square those two things?

00:58:18.000 Right.

00:58:18.200 Cause it sounds like you didn't have an entirely bad experience and you stayed connected, but

00:58:22.420 yet you, you believe in the deep state.

00:58:24.520 So explain that to me.

00:58:26.280 Yeah.

00:58:27.120 Look, when we walk into as a young officer, when we first walked in, they talked to us very

00:58:31.940 explicitly about the importance of speaking truth to power.

00:58:34.640 And, and that means something, right?

00:58:37.160 It meant something to me then it means something now when, when you know that your own government,

00:58:41.060 uh, is falling short of what it's supposed to out in spirit or in law, it is your obligation

00:58:46.800 to stand up.

00:58:47.820 Uh, and that's not just the country, generally speaking, or even the policymakers, that's

00:58:51.360 your own colleagues who do things that are improper or wrong.

00:58:55.140 I remember very early on, there was a guy who was using some of his tools to check on

00:58:59.980 the text messages and phone calls of his ex-girlfriend.

00:59:03.460 So obviously that was not a way that he was supposed to be using his authorities and power

00:59:08.380 and he was fired and you should have been because he abused his position.

00:59:12.600 So it starts there for, for, you know, folks like me, when we walked in, we call out things

00:59:18.160 that are wrong, but I'll tell you the later that I got in my career, there were things

00:59:22.780 happening where, and I wish I could go into details, but there were folks at the CIA who

00:59:27.520 were lying to the national security council and aligned to the staff of the president saying

00:59:32.400 that some of the things that we were doing were really, really effective when in fact

00:59:35.560 they weren't.

00:59:36.460 And we knew that they weren't effective, but by not telling all the truth, it allowed

00:59:41.460 us to paint a very rosy picture.

00:59:43.820 And so towards the end of my time at the agency, while I was so grateful to have been there,

00:59:49.120 to learn so much stuff, to be that young farm kid who manages to go around the world and

00:59:53.620 do incredible things.

00:59:54.580 Uh, it also opened up my eyes to the politics of Intel and those politics are real and those

01:00:01.000 politics protect the CIA and its authorities and its operations, its personnel.

01:00:05.740 And sometimes it acts against the best interest of policymakers.

01:00:09.700 And that's because you get a bunch of these folks, whether you call them deep staters or

01:00:13.180 just long time, you know, administrative people who really forget their oath.

01:00:18.020 They forget the mission.

01:00:19.400 And that is to be of service to the American people, to be of service to the, to the president

01:00:23.340 and ultimately understand that your paychecks is being, uh, given to you by a bunch of folks

01:00:28.780 out there in this country who don't understand the problems, but you should, and you do.

01:00:32.260 So stick with the mission.

01:00:33.700 Uh, and instead they let their personal politics get caught up in all of it.

01:00:37.020 And I did see that at the agency.

01:00:38.920 Let's talk about the politics because I never really thought about the FBI or the CIA as political,

01:00:44.960 politically motivated organizations.

01:00:47.340 You know, I thought it was all about the law, the greater good.

01:00:50.340 So dumb.

01:00:51.040 But anyway, um, that's what I thought.

01:00:52.860 And I thought Comey was a above board guy.

01:00:55.600 There was a story at the hospital bed with Comey and Mueller.

01:00:58.020 What I loved it.

01:00:58.740 I was like, I ate it up as a fan of law enforcement.

01:01:01.540 All of it played right into my own preexisting notions of what these guys do and did.

01:01:07.660 And I wonder whether, have they always been this political or was it Trump?

01:01:11.940 Did they just get, you know, like, you know how Trump caused complete meltdowns.

01:01:17.080 By people at like CNN, who we thought were kind of normal prior to Trump.

01:01:21.020 But now we realize are lunatics or at least went insane because of him.

01:01:25.600 So what camp are they in?

01:01:26.720 The, you know, the CIA, the FBI.

01:01:30.280 Well, so historically we have seen the politicization of both of those entities, both the CIA and the

01:01:36.200 FBI.

01:01:36.640 I mean, J. Edgar Hoover is the most infamous example at the very beginning era of the FBI.

01:01:40.880 So it's not new.

01:01:42.860 The question is, why is it so blatant and why is it so public and ugly?

01:01:48.900 And actually, at the end of the day, why are these folks within the CIA and FBI, particularly

01:01:53.800 those who have left, why are they so unapologetic about being so political?

01:01:59.420 And then when they're wrong, they never apologize.

01:02:02.140 It's like there's no shame.

01:02:03.380 So we know that was over 50 individuals, former intelligence officers, some of them I actually

01:02:08.320 know quite well.

01:02:09.260 They signed that letter that the Hunter Biden laptop was was fake Russian disinformation.

01:02:14.500 Now, all of them should have known to keep their mouth shut because there were no forensic

01:02:18.520 evaluation yet of that laptop.

01:02:20.960 But they went ahead and they gave their gravitas, not just their name, but they represented the

01:02:25.380 CIA and the NSA.

01:02:26.400 And it gave a lot of voters the impression that, yeah, that laptop in no way could be

01:02:32.020 actual or real.

01:02:34.160 But in fact, it was.

01:02:35.000 And a lot of voters went to the polls believing people like these 50 plus intelligence officials.

01:02:40.840 So that's the part that I think is new, that is shocking.

01:02:43.980 It's a bunch of folks who absolutely have no problem showing their political colors.

01:02:48.040 And then even when they're wrong, they never apologize.

01:02:50.600 They don't care because actually the whole point was engaging to some degree of propaganda.

01:02:55.240 Right.

01:02:55.920 It's a disinformation.

01:02:57.540 They knew damn well that it wasn't going to be or likely could be, I should say, a legitimate

01:03:01.920 laptop.

01:03:02.400 It was real.

01:03:03.100 They knew that, but they lied so they could achieve a political goal or outcome.

01:03:07.660 And that's the part that I think is so worrisome and so alarming and ultimately undermines our

01:03:13.540 republic.

01:03:15.100 It's so hard for the average Joe sitting at home to figure out.

01:03:18.480 I mean, that one, most people on the right got because they trusted the New York Post.

01:03:24.020 They read the report.

01:03:25.240 If you spent two minutes actually reading the story, watching Bobulinski on Tucker, you knew

01:03:29.740 it was real.

01:03:30.420 You knew this wasn't made up.

01:03:32.560 But people who don't watch Fox, people who don't read the New York Post were just told

01:03:38.240 one thing, which is it's disinformation.

01:03:40.040 Move on.

01:03:40.560 And the Russians do plant disinformation over here regularly.

01:03:43.260 So it's like, oh, OK, you know, plus it's not Joe Biden.

01:03:46.000 It's Hunter Biden.

01:03:46.720 So if you wanted to move on, you kind of had a reason to.

01:03:48.640 It's like, that's just the sun.

01:03:49.800 I guess I'll move on.

01:03:50.700 But it's just so hard for the regular Joe to figure out what's propaganda coming from

01:03:57.440 our guys, coming from our own president, press and, you know, people who work for us in the

01:04:04.100 federal government.

01:04:05.040 I mean, last week there was a report from NBC, a reporter that actually has really good sources

01:04:09.660 within the CIA.

01:04:10.360 And he said that the Joe Biden administration has willingly started to leak and share low

01:04:17.720 confidence intelligence with the American people on what's happening in Ukraine.

01:04:21.820 So what that means is that they're basically sharing gossip and rumor.

01:04:26.400 I mean, it's coming from the CIA or NSA, but they've done no vetting, no corroboration.

01:04:30.940 And so they're just saying to America, hey, we think all this is true.

01:04:33.860 American intelligence officials say.

01:04:35.820 But that is so incredibly dangerous to just be putting out garbage intel to the American

01:04:40.500 people.

01:04:41.280 I mean, it suggests there's something else going on here.

01:04:44.400 And in fact, we know what happens when you put out garbage intel, right?

01:04:49.040 So in the run up to the Iraq war, there's a very infamous operation, Curveball, a man who

01:04:53.680 was a liar, but said there was weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

01:04:57.680 And we believed him.

01:04:59.100 We didn't do the work.

01:05:00.060 We put out that garbage, low quality intel, and it started war.

01:05:02.840 So it's appropriate for people to, I think, now more than ever say, when I hear American

01:05:09.920 intelligence officials say, I'm going to be skeptical, I'm going to keep looking for other

01:05:15.000 sources of news, and I'm going to withhold judgment until I see enough of that from enough

01:05:20.220 people that I trust to agree, to believe.

01:05:24.020 You should have skepticism of your government.

01:05:26.260 You should have skepticism of the CIA and NSA.

01:05:28.780 Keep looking for other sources of information until you believe with absolute certainty,

01:05:34.180 high degree of confidence that whatever's happening in the world is actually legitimately

01:05:37.940 happening and not propaganda.

01:05:39.640 It's OK, ladies and gentlemen, to question your government.

01:05:43.620 You know what's crazy is that that's a lesson that the press needs as well, and they never

01:05:47.220 used to.

01:05:47.840 I mean, if there's one thing, if there was one requirement you needed to become a journalist,

01:05:51.740 it was skepticism of your government, doubt everything, check everything and then check

01:05:57.800 it again and then check it again, because there were the tools that they used to spin

01:06:01.140 the populace.

01:06:02.020 Like, we know that that's not news.

01:06:04.160 So but we've lost our willingness, our desire to to play that role.

01:06:10.040 Look, and none of this is new, right?

01:06:12.120 I mean, so back in World War Two, the British actually set up a propaganda office in New York

01:06:15.740 City to pump the American people full of this belief that we should be involved in the

01:06:19.980 war before, in fact, we did.

01:06:21.580 So the journalists of that time and that era were very well aware of exactly what the Brits

01:06:26.980 were doing, just like the Russians of today, you know, to achieve whatever their ultimate

01:06:30.620 goals or aims are.

01:06:32.860 So good journalists understand that their whole DNA should be questioning.

01:06:38.820 For decades, they've known this or should have known this.

01:06:41.680 So you're so right.

01:06:43.100 What is happening in these past many years?

01:06:45.420 And I think part of the answer is looking at the political giving of journalists.

01:06:49.980 And we know that that number, depending on the poll you look at, 85 to 95, 98% of journalists

01:06:57.260 when they give political leads to the Democrat Party.

01:06:59.580 So that tells you that there is an inherent bias made up of the vast majority of people

01:07:03.720 in the industry.

01:07:05.120 And so when that happens, you start getting group think.

01:07:07.260 You don't want to run stories or investigate stories against your side, right?

01:07:11.100 I think that is what is so different now.

01:07:13.680 At least that's my view of it.

01:07:15.220 Looking at that political donation piece, that tells me that's part of the problem.

01:07:18.800 We are becoming politicized in virtually everything we do, and that includes our media, which

01:07:23.860 is the one thing we need to not be political, to hold people in power to account.

01:07:28.900 And that's the whole damn idea of having the fourth estate, right?

01:07:31.860 But we have lost the whole conversation about why it's important.

01:07:35.820 And I don't know how to push the media, the journalists into doing what's right because

01:07:41.700 they just refuse.

01:07:43.160 I mean, they've been wildly wrong in the past five years about Russian collusion and

01:07:47.020 Hunter's laptop.

01:07:49.040 You go on and on.

01:07:50.460 So I'm not sure what the forcing function is here, but holy smokes, I hope we find it.

01:07:55.240 Well, I know that there are specific items of disinformation, of low-grade intelligence

01:08:01.580 that you think even our president has repeated directly to us that have been making news headlines,

01:08:07.040 including last week.

01:08:08.660 And I'm going to play one of them, and we're going to get into the specifics right after this

01:08:12.660 quick.

01:08:13.160 Break, because I think it's important to show the people what exactly we're talking

01:08:17.500 about.

01:08:17.700 And we'll get into more about what you're going to be doing on that, quote, presidential

01:08:21.340 daily brief, your new podcast, because it seems like you're hoping to address a lot

01:08:25.240 of this, a lot of these problems, especially when it comes to national security.

01:08:29.180 All right, stand by.

01:08:30.180 Back with Brian in one second.

01:08:34.320 I want to correct something I said earlier.

01:08:36.320 Apparently, I falsely maligned Red Panda.

01:08:38.520 It's Turning Red.

01:08:39.740 That's the name of the movie, Turning Red.

01:08:41.940 You might think it's a show about, like, the Russians.

01:08:45.580 No, it's not.

01:08:47.120 It's a different reference.

01:08:49.280 But back with us now is Brian Dean Wright.

01:08:51.120 He's host of the brand new podcast, The President's Daily Brief, which launched today.

01:08:57.780 And that's a reference to the PDB is sort of what you give the president to let him know

01:09:01.400 what's going on in the world.

01:09:02.360 The Quick and Dirty, and he's going to give The Quick and Dirty to you in 20 minutes or

01:09:06.140 less each morning, in particular when it comes to national security news, I gather, Brian.

01:09:10.440 Is that correct?

01:09:11.200 That's it.

01:09:11.820 Again, the PDB, for folks who aren't aware, is given to the president each morning, usually

01:09:15.840 by about 4 a.m.

01:09:16.860 And America's spies and spy masters deliver the critical news the past 24 hours.

01:09:21.880 But what's a little bit different is that they also share sort of why it's important

01:09:26.220 that the president and the country know about it, right?

01:09:29.020 So lots of news.

01:09:30.300 Why is it important?

01:09:31.300 That's what those intel officers, those spies and analysts focus on.

01:09:34.780 And then the final piece is the solutions.

01:09:36.800 All right.

01:09:37.060 So we've just presented a bunch of problems to you, Mr. or Madam President.

01:09:40.620 How do we solve it?

01:09:41.360 What do we do about it?

01:09:42.400 So that's what I'll be doing on the show.

01:09:44.400 I'm going to provide those three different buckets of focus.

01:09:47.220 So the news, why do people care?

01:09:49.640 Why should they care?

01:09:50.900 And then what could we do to solve the problem?

01:09:53.080 So that spirit of the president's daily brief is what I bring in the podcast each morning

01:09:58.540 by 6 a.m.

01:09:59.800 Well, it's very timely now, given what's going on in Ukraine.

01:10:02.440 And I know you've been open about questioning some of the narratives we're being fed on Ukraine,

01:10:08.020 which is another subject on which you're just not allowed to question the orthodoxy.

01:10:11.580 And that's not OK, since we are being misled.

01:10:14.880 But in particular, you pointed out our president's comments about Russia preparing to use chemical

01:10:21.900 warfare are worthy of our questioning.

01:10:26.460 I'm going to tell the audience what this clip says because it's a little hard to hear.

01:10:29.960 And then I'll play it for them.

01:10:31.980 But it's the reporter saying to Biden, how concerned are you about the threat of chemical

01:10:36.960 warfare right now that Russia would use chemical weapons?

01:10:39.400 How high is the threat?

01:10:40.520 The president says, I think it's a real threat.

01:10:42.340 And then he goes on to say, we would respond.

01:10:44.940 We would respond if he uses it.

01:10:46.780 The nature of response would depend on the nature of the use.

01:10:50.260 Here's that soundbite for you to listen to or try to yourself.

01:10:53.520 Soundbite 10.

01:10:54.340 How do you think about the threat of chemical warfare right now?

01:10:57.400 The left of the chemical weapons, how high is that threat?

01:11:00.660 I think it's a real threat.

01:11:02.660 Thank you.

01:11:03.700 We would respond.

01:11:04.900 We would respond if he uses it.

01:11:07.040 The nature of the response would depend on the nature of the use.

01:11:09.840 OK, what's wrong with that answer?

01:11:13.800 Everything.

01:11:14.540 Yeah.

01:11:14.980 OK, let's start with the what we would do if another nation used chemical warfare.

01:11:22.240 We would not, in turn, use chemical warfare.

01:11:24.940 We have made it very clear through our laws, through our agreements that we are not going

01:11:29.960 to use chemical weaponry.

01:11:31.280 So Joe Biden stepped in it.

01:11:33.040 Surprise, surprise.

01:11:33.700 But the second piece is the intelligence that underlied that suggestion that chemical warfare

01:11:40.260 was likely to happen or very much could.

01:11:43.120 In other words, we have a high degree of competence that Russians are bringing in those

01:11:46.560 chemical or biological weaponry.

01:11:48.520 There was no intel that said that.

01:11:51.000 But that is not what came out of the Biden administration or the intelligence community.

01:11:55.740 It was, in fact, a suggestion that they were, that Moscow was bringing in those weaponry.

01:12:00.620 So what happens when the president of this country and the intelligence community start

01:12:06.500 sending out false stories or low confidence intelligence?

01:12:10.980 Well, now you have every reason to doubt everything, right?

01:12:13.880 This goes back to what we were talking about, that reasonable people can now say that when

01:12:18.320 the U.S. intelligence community says something, you need to be suspicious of it because they're

01:12:23.060 putting out garbage information.

01:12:24.700 That's the implication here.

01:12:26.640 And that's why it's so important to recognize, to call it out and demand something different.

01:12:32.640 So you've got the Russians who have RT, which is state run media, and they'll just say whatever

01:12:36.640 they're told to say by Vladimir Putin, by the Kremlin.

01:12:39.100 You've got the Ukrainians who have President Zelensky, who is truly in an existential battle

01:12:43.660 for his country and has every reason to mislead and absolutely has been misleading

01:12:48.000 on a number of fronts.

01:12:49.680 I mean, we've seen that just the most obvious stuff about, you know, like the whatever the guy,

01:12:53.340 the single person who shot down all the jets or what, you know, there's been a lot.

01:12:57.200 But the more clever propaganda isn't as obvious as that, right?

01:13:00.860 And so you always, you have to be on guard that you're being manipulated by a guy who really

01:13:03.900 wants our support, more support than we're giving, and we'll say what he needs to say.

01:13:08.160 Because talk about being in a position where you think the ends justify the means.

01:13:11.620 I mean, he is, he is, you can understand it, but you need to be aware of it.

01:13:15.360 And then there's us.

01:13:16.280 Right.

01:13:16.360 I don't, I think we're not in the habit of prior to the past five years of second guessing

01:13:21.580 everything our government is telling us, that there was sort of, we believed a compact with

01:13:25.840 our government that they might try to dodge answers, they might try to spin answers, but

01:13:31.160 they, that they wouldn't be releasing blatant propaganda.

01:13:34.300 So my question to you is, were we always naive?

01:13:37.520 Were they always doing that?

01:13:39.360 And we've just gotten smarter?

01:13:41.140 Or is this a new brazenness?

01:13:43.340 I suppose that it has been there in some degrees for a long period of time.

01:13:50.660 But I think, you know, starting with the war in Vietnam, all the way up until now, we've had

01:13:56.460 this degradation of our belief and our trust in our government, that they were telling us the

01:14:01.900 truth.

01:14:02.740 You know, the World War II generation, you know, a lot of people ride around the flag,

01:14:06.520 they knew some of that was probably propaganda, but the Nazis were very clearly the world's

01:14:10.660 number one enemy for good reason.

01:14:11.980 But then through the Vietnam War, it was very clear that the lies were just to cover up

01:14:17.460 embarrassments, right?

01:14:18.900 And so I think that you've seen that over and over and over again.

01:14:22.500 And the media, in some cases, has been willing to go along with it, other times challenged

01:14:27.280 it.

01:14:27.920 But now when they're going along with it, it's because of party politics, not because, you

01:14:32.400 know, they, for some reason, you know, were in bed with the administration with, you

01:14:35.780 know, their good buddies with one person or another.

01:14:38.260 But it's actually the politics that are driving that complacency.

01:14:43.300 So I think it's always been there.

01:14:44.880 I think Vietnam showed us that.

01:14:46.540 I think things in the 1980s in Central America under Reagan and obviously into the 90s and

01:14:51.880 places in Africa under Bill Clinton, the things that he did and tried to cover things up.

01:14:55.740 I think we're all just starting to become very clear that we can't unfortunately trust our

01:15:01.240 government.

01:15:01.600 And we have to question and we should.

01:15:03.580 And that's a good thing.

01:15:04.700 And again, so our government, you know, we as a press have always known that they're not

01:15:09.100 the most honest crew.

01:15:10.340 And so we viewed ourselves as sort of the people's representative.

01:15:13.020 We will hold them to account.

01:15:14.080 We will point out the lies.

01:15:16.000 We will ask the tough questions.

01:15:17.900 And that's not happening now, which is why people are distrustful.

01:15:21.340 And then they get spun down into rabbit holes on the Internet that are not necessarily healthy

01:15:24.980 places to be.

01:15:26.220 So half of the battle is picking your sources as a news consumer, even as when I'm in the

01:15:31.160 role of news consumer, as opposed to news deliverer, half of my battle, too, is picking

01:15:34.640 my sources.

01:15:35.260 Who do I trust to lead me down the right places so that I don't mislead my audience?

01:15:41.580 And that that's key.

01:15:44.020 I mean, that's been key to my own credibility is not not choosing the wrong sources.

01:15:48.460 And let me tell you, in the intelligence world, we have multiple sources, much like you

01:15:53.180 do in the media world as well, multiple sources saying the same things.

01:15:57.220 But it's not just humans, right?

01:15:58.680 So in the world of intel, we also have emails and we have phone calls that we've captured,

01:16:03.080 right?

01:16:03.420 We take what are called mass and collections, so soil samples, air samples.

01:16:07.280 We have lots of different ways to collect intelligence.

01:16:10.040 And then if all those different forms of information are pointing in the same direction, then we have

01:16:14.560 a high degree of confidence that we know exactly what's going on.

01:16:18.080 Medium confidence, we have fewer of those things.

01:16:20.040 And then low confidence, we usually only have one or two.

01:16:23.180 And so we rarely, if ever, will share anything that's low confidence.

01:16:26.960 And that's going to be, I'm sure, the same in your world.

01:16:29.400 You're going to be very careful about sharing things that are low confidence.

01:16:32.520 But that's actually not true anymore.

01:16:35.340 That's the part that just last week, we know that the Biden administration is putting out

01:16:38.500 low confidence information, uncorroborated, unvetted, single source information.

01:16:42.720 And it might be right, but it could probably be wrong, equally so.

01:16:48.180 So that's the wild danger in doing this.

01:16:50.400 And it's just incredible that the intelligence community would go along with this, knowing

01:16:55.240 that that's what got us into trouble in the war in Iraq with that Operation Curveball.

01:16:59.180 It started a trillion dollar war, 100,000 plus Iraqis dead, thousands of American soldiers

01:17:05.400 dead.

01:17:06.120 Other ones came home without arms, without legs.

01:17:08.880 But we promised ourselves in the intel community that we would never do this again.

01:17:13.900 We would never go along with an administration that was putting out low quality garbage intel.

01:17:19.100 But we're doing it.

01:17:20.300 The intel community is doing it again.

01:17:22.240 So how the hell do you clean that place up?

01:17:25.080 New leadership, new emphasis on ethos.

01:17:27.740 But my goodness, that's a that's a big conversation of how to clean up the intel community.

01:17:32.220 So you mentioned the media goes along because of partisan politics, also because they're part

01:17:36.120 of the elite and they these are their compadres.

01:17:38.640 You know, they're rubbing elbows with them at the Georgetown cocktail parties.

01:17:41.220 It's not they're no longer divided the way that we used to be and should be.

01:17:45.420 But the other thing is woke politics, you know, apart from Democrat politics, like the pressure

01:17:51.580 on these media people to be as woke as possible and to take whatever line will make them sound

01:17:56.680 woke because they'll get fired.

01:17:58.120 If if not, like if there's if there's any distance between them and the woke messaging

01:18:02.040 that could be their head in a basket and anything having to do with race, of course, that's

01:18:07.760 that's another thing.

01:18:08.460 But just today or last week, I think it was actually the Department of Homeland Security came

01:18:13.900 out assessing the greatest terrorism related threat in the United States is the threat

01:18:19.000 of domestic violent extremism, specifically the threat of white supremacists.

01:18:24.580 That's the greatest threat we face here, calling out the increased hate on social media.

01:18:30.000 Joe Biden said the same white supremacists are the most lethal threat.

01:18:33.980 And that gets used in debates like we're having right now about, for example, our southern

01:18:38.580 border against people who are saying we've got to slow our roll down there.

01:18:44.180 We have a true crisis facing us right now.

01:18:46.620 The latest numbers were up to seven thousand people crossing the border a day.

01:18:49.780 Four thousand people crossing a day is considered a crisis per Obama's Department of Homeland Security

01:18:54.520 chief, Jay Johnson.

01:18:55.680 Now we're at seven thousand and we're going up.

01:18:58.260 I mean, it's we haven't even like once they actually lift title forty two, which let us deny

01:19:02.580 anybody even trying to claim asylum.

01:19:04.520 They're saying it's going to go up.

01:19:06.260 I mean, it could be triple, quadruple, quintuple that we're facing a true crisis and the media

01:19:11.820 will knee jerk start calling anybody who raises concerns racist, white supremacist, hashtag

01:19:17.920 part of the problem.

01:19:19.840 Yeah.

01:19:20.340 So let's start with is it actually the country's greatest threat?

01:19:24.720 The answer is no.

01:19:25.660 But here's here's the tell the Biden administration right now.

01:19:29.280 You and I as taxpayers, we are sending weaponry and training to the Azov Battalion, which is

01:19:35.460 in Ukraine, and it is part of their defense forces against the Russians.

01:19:40.000 Here's the issue with the Azov Battalion.

01:19:42.620 They are absolutely neo-Nazis.

01:19:45.260 Right.

01:19:45.520 So right now, Joe Biden is funding neo-Nazis in Ukraine.

01:19:49.620 He's he's funding white supremacy.

01:19:51.840 So it's absurd to say, on one hand, that we think there is this existential threat in

01:19:58.200 this country and really the world of white supremacy, and yet we're funding it in Ukraine.

01:20:04.060 There's a disconnect, obviously.

01:20:06.640 And so it tells you that the underlying suggestion that white supremacy is somehow the greatest

01:20:11.020 problem.

01:20:11.500 It's silly.

01:20:12.440 It's not true.

01:20:13.140 The data is not there.

01:20:14.780 In fact, there was a recent study from the Department of Defense that looked at extremism.

01:20:18.760 Less than 100 cases in a service of millions and millions of people.

01:20:24.300 Now, it's 100 cases or less bad.

01:20:25.880 Of course it is.

01:20:26.780 But 100, as compared to millions and millions of active duty service members, puts that in

01:20:31.560 context.

01:20:32.660 So we have a game.

01:20:34.220 It's wokeism baloney.

01:20:35.840 It's virtue signaling.

01:20:37.640 And it's really about a greater goal, right?

01:20:40.280 It's very clear what that greater goal is.

01:20:42.920 I think reasonable people can disagree.

01:20:44.380 But it's very clear that all this silliness is being used to divide the country.

01:20:51.040 And let's see what the left in particular does with that division.

01:20:54.900 But white supremacy is not an existential problem in this country.

01:20:58.340 Otherwise, we wouldn't be funding it in places around the world.

01:21:02.100 And then we would be very smart about saying, look, the southern border is not a racial issue.

01:21:06.920 It's about choosing who comes into this country.

01:21:09.220 It's about vetting who comes into this country.

01:21:11.540 I remember 9-11.

01:21:13.400 I think a lot of people remember it.

01:21:15.160 And we probably should have been very more careful, much more careful about who we let

01:21:19.200 into this country, like maybe not some hijackers or Islamic extremists.

01:21:23.340 So that issue hasn't gone away.

01:21:25.360 The border is important.

01:21:26.860 So I think this whole conversation about the woke stuff, it's so frustrating because we

01:21:32.420 all see the truth.

01:21:33.620 We all know what's going on.

01:21:34.720 It's not about white supremacy.

01:21:35.840 It's about politics, about dividing the nation.

01:21:37.880 The question remains, why are they doing it?

01:21:39.900 Hmm.

01:21:40.840 What about Ukraine?

01:21:42.420 What's your what's your viewpoint on what's happening there?

01:21:46.400 Forget U.S. involvement, but what's happening there between Russia and Ukraine?

01:21:51.160 So very clearly, Vladimir Putin is on the march for more territory.

01:21:56.200 He's afraid of NATO.

01:21:57.860 And I think that his rationale for that doesn't matter if you think you agree or parts of

01:22:02.960 it you agree with or disagree, that the reason, the rationale that doesn't matter, you don't

01:22:08.620 invade a country like he's done.

01:22:10.220 You don't start shelling civilians like he's done.

01:22:12.780 He is obviously a tyrant, a bad man.

01:22:15.480 But the question is from the United States' response, from a taxpayer's response, if you're

01:22:19.480 the parent of a soldier, of a Marine, what should our response be to that horrible disaster in

01:22:25.360 Ukraine?

01:22:26.000 And is it our response or is it more of the European people's and government's response

01:22:31.000 to handle this issue because it's their backyard?

01:22:34.420 Right.

01:22:34.660 So those, I think, are very fair questions.

01:22:36.640 We can all acknowledge that what Putin is doing in Ukraine is wrong.

01:22:40.220 The question is, what do we do about it?

01:22:41.600 What should our involvement be?

01:22:43.360 So far, polls show pretty overwhelmingly that the American people don't want troops there.

01:22:47.960 Good.

01:22:48.720 We need to make sure that we keep up that drumbeat of insistence that we don't go.

01:22:53.540 But that's why I think in part Joe Biden is releasing some of this low quality intel to

01:22:58.220 try to justify greater involvement.

01:23:00.300 That's why we have to be on watch for that stuff.

01:23:02.220 But it's very fair to say, look, I think that what's happening in Ukraine is awful.

01:23:07.140 My heart breaks for the people of Ukraine.

01:23:09.300 And I think this is more of a European problem.

01:23:11.540 We'll do what we can.

01:23:12.940 But at the end of the day, we're not going to send our soldiers, our Marines and our money

01:23:17.040 to fight this war.

01:23:19.140 What do you make of I had on last week, Garry Kasparov and his point boiled down was stop

01:23:26.140 now or stop later.

01:23:27.440 It's coming.

01:23:28.460 It's going to be our problem eventually.

01:23:30.560 Yeah.

01:23:30.860 Well, while I appreciate that argument, I don't think it's right.

01:23:33.960 In fact, I think there's an intelligence that suggests that that's true.

01:23:37.160 So his assumption there is Vladimir Putin wants to take over the entirety of Europe, much

01:23:41.760 like Hitler.

01:23:42.520 Right.

01:23:42.720 And then he'll continue on with sort of this domino effect.

01:23:46.080 Right.

01:23:46.200 This is the argument that we heard back in the 1950s and 60s in terms of the domino effect

01:23:50.220 of communism taking over the world.

01:23:52.200 If he wants to make that argument, he has to prove that that's Putin and the Russian

01:23:55.960 government's intention.

01:23:57.140 That's their plan.

01:23:58.020 And we have high degree of confidence that, in fact, that's exactly what they're doing.

01:24:02.020 If that were true, now that starts to change the calculus.

01:24:05.340 The United States should be potentially much more involved in that war through both blood and

01:24:10.320 treasure.

01:24:10.620 But the intel ain't there.

01:24:14.120 The other problem with that with that assessment is it doesn't really necessarily factor in

01:24:20.540 already that Putin's paid a high price for invading Ukraine.

01:24:23.680 You know, his calculation, who knows what it was two months ago, even if it were the worst,

01:24:29.020 like first Ukraine and then Poland.

01:24:31.040 He'd have to be having some pause now, given the losses he's taken and the economic sanctions that

01:24:40.900 he's been forced to endure.

01:24:42.200 In fact, today, just today, I'm trying to find my notes, but there was a note about him

01:24:46.780 acknowledging the severe losses that he has faced, that the Russians have faced.

01:24:52.080 It's significant losses of troops, he acknowledges.

01:24:54.520 He added that the loss of these Russian soldiers was a, quote, huge tragedy.

01:24:59.880 The heavy losses explain why a pivot's underway in Moscow right now, not to mention, I think

01:25:04.160 they lost their ninth commander and so on.

01:25:06.500 So, I mean, you're talking about massive casualties over there that, good gracious, even if he had

01:25:11.500 the most ambitious intentions, he doesn't want to unnecessarily antagonize the Russian people.

01:25:17.580 Yeah, look, he knows that if this goes south, that if this fails, it's his head, right?

01:25:23.400 So, this is a huge, huge risk for him politically, for his own life.

01:25:27.380 So, he's not going to let this war in Ukraine just go by the wayside and walk away from it.

01:25:32.340 So, that tells you that this is going to be a long war, it's going to be a bloody war.

01:25:35.620 And ultimately, there has to be either a stalemate that then forces the Russians and the Ukrainians

01:25:42.400 to sit down and find a diplomatic solution, or one of either of those sides just has to

01:25:47.560 crush the other.

01:25:48.660 And right now, I think most, you know, good, smart money is on a stalemate.

01:25:52.540 And so, that's why I think we really should be pushing diplomacy behind the scenes, working

01:25:57.060 with Israel, working with Turkey, two very trusted partners of Vladimir Putin and of Russia.

01:26:02.400 That's where, that's how this war is going to end.

01:26:05.860 And also keep in mind, China is very much interested in continuing to support what is going to be

01:26:10.960 kind of their junior buddy in the world, Russia, in terms of selling a lot of the oil, selling

01:26:16.340 various market bits and pieces that otherwise couldn't go out in the world.

01:26:20.780 Stuck in Russia right now, China is going to take advantage of that.

01:26:23.640 So, you're going to have a much tighter relationship between those two, in part because Russia has

01:26:27.320 nowhere else to go.

01:26:28.740 So, huge changes geopolitically happen in the world.

01:26:32.040 Beijing has definitely been infinite from this.

01:26:34.440 But we have to remember that at the end of the day, Putin is not going to walk away from

01:26:38.180 this work.

01:26:39.260 He has to win or it's his head.

01:26:41.320 So, we've got to be very smart and very careful about how we help the Ukrainians and the Europeans

01:26:46.420 exit from this conflict.

01:26:48.900 Back to the southern border, one of the massive concerns people have, apart from just the number

01:26:53.040 of migrants that are now going to effectively be living in the United States with no one tapping

01:26:57.220 them on the shoulder, telling them to go home, is what's coming?

01:27:01.380 What else is coming across the border?

01:27:02.560 You know, in terms of drugs, the cartels, the type of people.

01:27:07.320 We had reports last week about, you know, all these gang members and pedophiles and convicted

01:27:11.620 murderers.

01:27:12.520 But like, I worry in particular about the drugs, the fentanyl and so on.

01:27:16.320 What do you think we can expect as a result of this open door policy?

01:27:21.660 Well, we're going to continue to see what we have seen.

01:27:25.780 And that's at this point, 100,000 Americans are dead from the drugs that are being sent

01:27:30.940 over fentanyl in particular via the Chinese government and the cartels in Mexico.

01:27:37.800 I mean, I just want to pause for a second to think about that.

01:27:41.560 We are rightfully upset about what's happening in Ukraine.

01:27:44.740 But 100,000 Americans are dead because of what's coming across our southern border.

01:27:50.280 Our communities, communities where I come from, particularly in rural America, are really

01:27:53.920 struggling with this issue.

01:27:56.180 And it doesn't get the press it deserves.

01:27:57.840 It doesn't get the outrage it deserves.

01:27:59.860 And it doesn't get the money.

01:28:01.160 I mean, Ukraine is getting how many hundreds of billions of dollars?

01:28:03.780 And my goodness, Congress about lost a gasket when Trump asked for, was it $4 billion to

01:28:09.080 finish the wall?

01:28:10.300 So we're sending hundreds of billions of dollars abroad to fight a war that is awful.

01:28:15.940 Meanwhile, we have 100,000 Americans dead because of what's coming across the border.

01:28:20.300 It's fentanyl garbage.

01:28:21.660 So it is incredibly frustrating for me for lots of reasons.

01:28:26.460 And then, of course, we know that we've got over 100 different countries represented

01:28:29.860 on the border in terms of individuals coming across.

01:28:32.120 They're coming from places that have lots of active terror cells.

01:28:36.140 Are we vetting those people?

01:28:37.680 No, we're not.

01:28:38.420 They're coming across the border.

01:28:39.920 We don't have all the tools that we need down there to vet those folks.

01:28:43.400 So I'm sorry to say that a lot of those people are coming into your communities and mine every

01:28:47.920 single day.

01:28:48.920 And we don't know what they're going to be doing.

01:28:51.180 Some of them, maybe most of them are actually very peaceful, very good, loving people escaping

01:28:55.380 horrible places.

01:28:56.900 But we still have an obligation to have a border because we get to choose who comes in.

01:29:00.320 And we should.

01:29:00.880 But the real concern I have is both the drugs piece and then second, this unknown security

01:29:06.600 risk.

01:29:07.080 Who's coming in?

01:29:07.920 We don't know.

01:29:09.460 What do you what's your take on why Joe Biden's allowing it?

01:29:12.400 Right.

01:29:12.600 Because I don't believe Joe Biden wants a flood of fentanyl rushed into the United States.

01:29:18.520 Hunter Biden might.

01:29:20.480 I don't think Joe.

01:29:22.480 I don't think the dad's in favor.

01:29:25.340 So what do you like?

01:29:26.840 What do you think?

01:29:27.800 What do you think the reason is?

01:29:30.380 Well, I think that the cynic in me says this is politics.

01:29:33.200 Right.

01:29:33.880 So we know that the census captures people, not citizens.

01:29:37.700 Right.

01:29:37.840 So if you start filling up cities with lots and lots of people, the representation of

01:29:42.660 the House of Reps actually changes.

01:29:44.680 So you start shifting your political power in this country to your cities, which you as

01:29:48.680 a Democrat control.

01:29:49.760 Democrats are mostly an urban party now.

01:29:51.500 So if those illegal immigrants end up going to your cities, they get the representation,

01:29:56.680 not because they vote, because obviously only citizens can vote, but it definitely changes.

01:30:00.880 Well, we'll get to that in a second, won't we?

01:30:03.080 But the point is that the House of Representatives changes.

01:30:05.520 The constituency is different.

01:30:07.760 Right.

01:30:08.480 The other issue is this.

01:30:10.220 Do they actually vote?

01:30:11.920 We are now seeing in different places across the country that in local elections, they're

01:30:15.660 letting folks who are not citizens vote in those elections.

01:30:19.480 So the argument then is, all right, if it's starting at the city level, what's to say

01:30:24.220 that it's not going to move to the state level or indeed to the federal level?

01:30:27.300 Will there be an argument made for it?

01:30:29.300 Damn right, there will be.

01:30:30.800 Because why?

01:30:31.780 Those people, even though they're here illegally or contributing to our tax base, they're

01:30:35.880 active members of our community, so they should get a vote too.

01:30:38.780 So we all know where this is going.

01:30:40.320 It's very, very obvious, I think, the cynical view of this.

01:30:43.920 Now, otherwise, I don't know because it doesn't make any sense.

01:30:46.740 Why would you open up your country to lots and lots of people that, and the data tells

01:30:51.620 us this, don't speak English and don't actually have any skills?

01:30:55.040 The data is very clear that these people come into the country as a net burden on society.

01:31:00.460 By the second and definitely the third generation of these immigrants' families, they are in

01:31:04.700 a net positive, historically speaking.

01:31:07.220 But for the first good 10 to 20 years, those folks are a net burden on our country.

01:31:11.700 So there's not a lot of good sense for letting them into the country, other than, in the

01:31:16.920 cynical way that I think, this political voting issue.

01:31:20.940 So much to think about, and thankfully so much to talk about.

01:31:24.740 His name is Brian Dean Wright, and his new podcast is The President's Daily Brief.

01:31:30.860 It's available now on all podcast platforms.

01:31:34.380 Brian, thank you so much, and good luck with it.

01:31:36.440 Thank you kindly.

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Inappropriate Messaging to Our Kids, and Being Skeptical of Power, with Jeremy Boreing and Bryan Dean Wright ｜ Ep. 297

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