Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has become a household name, and his endorsement of Donald Trump in August was a huge moment in this race. But it wasn t always like that. Back in July 2021, President Biden promoted him as a leading member of the, disinformation dozen. And then he was deplatformed virtually everywhere. But in March of 2022, we sat down and interviewed Bobby Kennedy for the first time. And it was the beginning of his public resurrection on social media and in the podcast lane.
00:00:00.520Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.
00:00:12.140Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.
00:00:15.360This week we're bringing you a deep dive into the influential picks that President-elect Donald Trump is making.
00:00:21.140And one of the biggest names is Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as Health and Human Services Secretary.
00:00:27.320RFKJ has become a household name, and his endorsement of Trump in August was a huge moment in this race.
00:00:33.940But it wasn't always like that for RFKJ.
00:00:36.640Back in July 2021, President Biden promoted him as a leading member of the, quote, disinformation dozen.
00:00:45.000And then he was deplatformed virtually everywhere.
00:00:48.540But in March of 2022, we sat down and interviewed Bobby Kennedy for the first time.
00:00:56.740Can I tell you, it was crazy because I was in Montana at the time on spring break with my family, and it was so nuts.
00:01:03.820Do you guys remember when my, my babe, my little boy got hurt, seriously hurt on the ski mountain and, and split his spleen in three places?
00:01:14.400And, uh, I almost didn't get to do this interview.
00:01:17.340It was like, the whole week was so crazy.
00:04:19.940All right, let's start with the Fauci book, because one of the most interesting things about it is how it's been totally blackballed by basically everyone.
00:04:29.740I mean, it's been a complete media blackout on the book.
00:04:34.320You know, we've gone into 12 separate printings.
00:04:38.160And so we ran out of books a dozen times.
00:06:34.060And, you know, I was thinking about it as I was reading about your condition, thinking it's a particularly cruel thing to have handed to you, right?
00:06:41.540I mean, it's quite literally the loss of your voice, right?
00:06:44.720To have your actual voice diminished in any way or interfered with, it must be galling, must be frustrating.
00:06:54.180How has that felt to have that deteriorate?
00:06:57.480Well, you know, it's definitely a paradox or an irony because so much of what I do is dependent on my voice as an attorney, as a public speaker,
00:07:09.100as, you know, somebody who is a voice now kind of for the movement that, you know, I have this particular disability.
00:07:20.060But, you know, I think any, listen, there's people who have a lot worse disabilities than me.
00:07:27.240I have a cousin who lost a leg when he was 11 years old.
00:07:32.300My family has been around people, you know, working on disabilities for many, many years.
00:07:37.560So I, I've never spent even a second feeling sorry for myself or, you know, it's just something that God gave me.
00:07:48.100I have to figure out what, you know, why is this a gift?
00:07:52.180Why is this challenge been given to me?
00:07:54.480And that's, you know, and then to do the best I can and not be deterred by it.
00:07:59.340It's not something I would complain about.
00:08:01.160Well, the patriarch of the Kennedy family, Joseph Kennedy, the man with whom it all started, and that's your grandpa, Bobby Kennedy's dad, Jack Kennedy's dad.
00:08:10.700As I understand it, he wasn't so big on whiners.
00:08:14.320And so you were all raised from the, from the cradle to toughen up and not walk around feeling, woe is me.
00:09:38.200Well, I don't think that anybody ever got to their deathbed and said, you know, I wish I had spent more time complaining.
00:09:45.520I think there's a, one of the things that I found out during my early sobriety, it was really a technique that was a gift to me, um, was that gratitude was a choice.
00:09:59.740And that, you know, my inclination, I think the inclination of most people is not to be grateful, but to, um, to wake up every day with a sense of impending doom and then, you know, to look for reasons to be discontent.
00:10:17.620And, um, and it's really about the way that we process reality.
00:10:22.300You could have two people who are doing this, who are shoveling manure and one of them could be whistling and laughing and the other one could be grumbling and, and cursing.
00:10:34.400And it's, it all is taking place inside our own heads.
00:10:38.960You know, how do we choose to practice, to, to process our reality?
00:10:44.300Do we choose to look at the half glass, half empty, or glass foam?
00:10:48.460I, you know, every day of my life, I make a gratitude list.
00:10:52.920I, I just list, you know, a lot of, uh, banal things like orange juice, antibiotics, air conditioning.
00:11:01.140And, you know, the glass on the windows, the things that generations, 20,000 generations of humanity never had those things.
00:11:10.920We live like gods compared to most of the human beings in history, even the most unfortunate, you know, American today.
00:11:19.960And so we can either choose to be grateful about those things, or we can, um, you know, choose to be anxious.
00:11:29.440And, you know, it was a revelation to me to, to learn, to, to realize that that was a choice and it was my condition that was, you know, that was imposed upon us.
00:11:55.060Like people will have one, one of the many things that have happened to you and spend the rest of their lives lamenting it and leaning into their sadness, their depression.
00:12:05.220It's something that defines them not to bum you out, but I'm just, just off the top of my head.
00:12:10.360Obviously your father was assassinated.
00:12:12.360Your uncle, the president of the United States was assassinated when you were a young boy.
00:12:22.740You've had your own personal challenges and here you are on a mission, staying on the thing that you care most about, the environment, public health.
00:12:31.060You've taken a ton of incoming, you know, you've been demonized by large factions of the press.
00:12:40.840Okay, so let's, let's go and let's talk about vaccines because I know a lot of people, the reason a lot of people will dismiss the book on Fauci is the prior stance on vaccines.
00:14:05.080And, um, it causes all kinds of brain damage and that there's no safe level of mercury exposure.
00:14:13.060And the idea that we would be injecting mercury directly into babies, um, you know, I was suing at that time, this is 2005.
00:14:23.760I had lawsuits against, I think, 39 coal-burning power plants and cement kilns for discharging mercury from the stacks.
00:14:34.160Mercury was, was getting precipitating out of the rainfall, getting into our fish.
00:14:39.220FDA did a study in 2003 that showed that every freshwater fish in America had dangerous levels of mercury in its flesh.
00:14:48.980And, you know, it occurred to me that we were living a science fiction nightmare where my children and children of every other American could now no longer engage in the seminal primal activity of American youth.
00:15:01.540Which is to go fishing with their mom or dad in the local fishing home and then come home and safely eat the fish.
00:15:08.600Oh, I've been trying for 17 years to get the mercury out of the vaccines.
00:34:56.500One, we have gone, the autism rates, which, you know, the scientists in the 40s and 50s were as smarter, smarter than the scientists today.
00:35:22.680I was raised in, you know, in the heart, at the spear tip of the movement to provide people with children with intellectual disabilities rights.
00:35:33.220My aunt Eunice, who was my godmother, started Special Olympics 10 miles from my home.
00:35:38.760I worked there every weekend when I was a kid as a hugger, a coach from when I was eight years old.
00:36:26.180We prided ourselves on being able to accommodate every child, no matter how, debilitating their disability.
00:36:33.700So even children who are functionally vegetative, we could put them on a platform and have them teach them to push a beanbag off onto the ground.
00:36:44.400And people would cheer for them and make it a good event.
00:36:48.620The kids today, kids who are, these kids that we're seeing with autism that are nonverbal, non-toilet trained, screaming, biting, headbanging, violent, toe-walking, stimming.
00:37:02.040We never saw kids like that in the 60s and 70s.
00:37:04.920We just, and today, to this day, I have never seen somebody my age, 68 years old, who has full-blown autism.
00:37:18.400Okay, but wait, but let me ask you, because I know you as an environmental lawyer have, to this day, say, there's all sorts of things in the environment that may be poisoning us.
00:37:28.060You know, I'm sure you could give us the list, right?
00:37:30.080To make a link to the vaccines is a bridge too far, say your phrase.
00:37:33.040There's actually a doctor out there who has made that list, because you have to, what happened is, Congress said to EPA, and by the way, there are many, many studies, including the MIND Institute at UC Davis, commissioned by the California legislature, to answer the very question that you just asked.
00:37:53.080Could this be, you know, changing diagnostic criteria?
00:37:56.700Could it be an expanded knowledge of diagnoses?
00:37:59.720The answer, they've said persistently, one after the other, is no.
00:38:04.900Whoever told you that from the industry knows that this is true.
00:38:09.880No, no, I'm citing, I've read your book, and I know you say, why wasn't Dr. Fauci studying things like corn syrup, you know, like just other toxins, well, whatever about corn syrup, but other toxins in the environment.
00:38:21.820I mean, exactly, so here's what Congress said, Congress said to EPA, and EPA is not a public health agency, so it's not part of HHS, all the other ones are NIH, CDC, and FDA, and they're all in the pocket of pharma, but EPA is in the pocket of the oil industry, but they don't care about pharma.
00:38:39.620They said, Congress said to EPA, tell us what year the autism epidemic began, and the EPA scientists came back and said, it's a red line, 1989.
00:38:51.120What happened in 1989, as you pointed out, we passed the Vaccine Act in 1986, we gave immunity from liability to all the companies, there was a gold rush, because suddenly the biggest cost of producing pharmaceuticals and marketing pharmaceuticals, which is downstream liabilities, had been eliminated.
00:39:09.580They also didn't have to do upstream testing, so two of the biggest costs were gone, plus they don't have to do advertising and marketing, because the product is mandated to 76 million American children, so it's a dream product for them, and they can charge basically anything they want.
00:39:28.880It was a cold rush, and they added all these new vaccines to the schedule, and people, when they think of vaccines, think of polio and smallpox and the miracles of eliminating those, but these were, you know, many of these diseases, diseases that you're completely unnecessary to vaccinate against, things like, that are not even casually contagious, like hepatitis B, that you get from, you know, unprotected sex with, you know, or from,
00:40:03.120To a day-old baby, and yet, rotavirus, hepatitis B, all of these other, you know, so-called diseases that are just on the schedule, because the vaccine companies can make money from them.
00:45:03.740And it's probably, in my view, the largest single cause, although all of them are very big.
00:45:10.640Now, in 1999, CDC was also alarmed at the same thing that you described with the parents.
00:45:18.980So they decided to do an internal study of their own database, which is called the Vaccine Safety Data Link.
00:45:26.440It's the medical records, including the vaccination records, of 10 million kids from the 10 biggest HMOs.
00:45:36.500So it's all the cumulative medical records from all those HMOs and are all housed in one place.
00:45:42.080And they studied, they said, let's see if these mercury vaccines are causing autism.
00:45:47.360So they looked at one vaccine, they can look at every vaccine record, and they can look at your medical claims to see if you, you know, had seizure disorders or allergies, or if you have an autism diagnosis.
00:46:01.220They can do a cluster analysis, and they can look for associations.
00:46:06.420They looked at the hepatitis B vaccine, which is loaded with mercury during the first 30 days of life.
00:46:13.080The kids, they looked at kids who got it during the first 30 days.
00:46:17.440They compared them to kids who did not get it during the first 30 days, who got it later, who didn't get it at all.
00:46:38.000That was causing guilt from thimerosal.
00:46:39.940And this is what the story that got me involved, because they pushed the panic button, and they had a secret meeting.
00:46:48.760They didn't want to do it on the CDC campus because they thought it would be susceptible to freedom information requests.
00:46:55.320So they did it in a remote Methodist retreat center on the banks of the Chattahoochee River in Norcross, Georgia, and it was called Simpsonwood.
00:47:04.780They had a two-day meeting with 52 individuals, including all the major vaccine companies, regulatory agencies that administer vaccines, WHO, CDC, FDA, NIH, HHS, and the leaders, the leading academic vaccinators.
00:47:26.160So the people who basically conduct clinical trials and make hundreds of millions of dollars for medical schools around this country.
00:47:34.300And the first day, and somebody made and recorded that meeting.
00:47:51.640Any of your listeners can go to our website, see it, Children's Health Events, and read those transcripts and make up your own mind about what happened.
00:48:00.620And you see the panjarams of the American healthcare system, these regulators who are supposed to be protecting us.
00:48:08.220The first day, they're looking at the science, and they are saying it's bulletproof.
00:48:17.060I want the audience to be aware of the FDA and the National Institutes of Health, the CDC, the American Association of Pediatrics, and several other agencies have concluded there is no evidence that thimerosal causes any harm.
00:48:29.660That there's none, that it causes any harm.
00:48:32.760They removed it from vaccines anyway, they say, as a precautionary measure.
00:48:37.500They also are concerned about the resurrection of measles.
00:48:42.160In 2015, nearly 200 Americans were sickened with it, and that's a disease that we had eradicated 15 years earlier as a consequence of parents not vaccinating their kids.
00:48:50.360As you point out, it's a disease that could be potentially deadly.
00:48:53.120You've made this claim before about this horrific conference in which they confessed, oh, you know, it's causing autism, we've got to bury the data.
00:49:00.800You wrote about it in a January 2011 article that was in Rolling Stone and Salon.
00:49:05.540It's since been withdrawn by Salon altogether.
00:49:09.080Rolling Stone had to offer a bunch of corrections.
00:49:11.220It removed it from its website as well.
00:49:12.860And your allegations spurred an 18-month investigation by a U.S. Senate committee that found allegations of CDC misconduct were unsubstantiated, and they concluded that there was no cover-up.
00:49:26.200It was a two-year committee hearing by Senator Burton at the Government Oversight Committee, and he found that there was a cover-up, and that vaccines do cause autism.
00:49:37.040So, you know, anybody can go, you know, don't trust me.
00:49:39.840Not, listen, anything I say about the science, you shouldn't trust me.
00:49:45.120You should go do your own research, and I'll tell you, you know, the research that I'm relying on, and you can go make up your own mind.
00:49:51.680But you also should not trust CDC, NIH, the American Association of Pediatrics, or Academy of Pediatrics, which gets 80% of its money from the pharmaceutical industry.
00:50:03.640FDA gets 45% of its budget from the pharmaceutical industry.
00:50:08.080CDC spends $4.9 billion of its $12 billion budget.
00:50:20.400No, let me ask you, because the parents inside those organizations vaccinate their children.
00:50:25.860The parents who work for Pfizer stick the needle in their kids' arms.
00:50:29.620Like, are they willingly hurting their children?
00:50:31.880Like, why would they all be giving the MMR and the vaccines that had thimerosal in it?
00:50:38.140You're alleging sort of a vast government conspiracy to force these vaccines on us from these health, quote-unquote, officials, who knew it was unsafe, but yet they gave it to their own kids?
00:50:48.220Megan, go look at the movie Dope Sick.
00:50:57.380They weren't sticking their kids with opioids.
00:50:59.440They were giving their patients and their children opioids because they believed what FDA told them.
00:51:05.140We'll pick up the conversation in one minute.
00:51:08.300But first, a note on the exchange we just had about that Simpsonwood conference on thimerosal.
00:51:13.360In 2007, a U.S. Senate committee on public health did investigate allegations that this meeting established the dangers of thimerosal and that the CDC came up with a plan to cover up those dangers.
00:51:25.700The committee found that, quote, allegations of a cover up are not substantiated.
00:51:31.700Instead of hiding the data or restricting access to it, CDC distributed it, often to individuals who had never seen it before and solicited outside opinion regarding how to interpret it.
00:51:42.620The transcript of these discussions was made available to the public, end quote.
00:51:48.060The Senate report went on to conclude, quote, Simpsonwood participants generally agreed that the data set was weak.
00:51:54.540It was difficult to assess causality and further study and investigation were warranted.
00:52:00.580Now, the author of the original hypothesis that thimerosal might be linked to autism went on to conclude in phase two of his study that the original results being discussed at Simpsonwood could not be replicated.
00:52:13.700By the time he reached that conclusion, he had begun working for GlaxoSmithKline, which makes vaccines.
00:52:20.260But the Senate committee believed that his findings were in earnest.
00:52:25.500Also, when Robert made reference in our conversation to Senator Burton, having concluded that there was a cover up, he was actually referring to former Congressman Dan Burton.
00:52:33.980Burton did hold many hearings in Congress over this issue because he firmly believes that thimerosal contributed to his grandson's autism.
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00:53:50.900What I would say is there's a small group, and I can tell you the names of the people within CDC, within FDA, with NIH, who know what they're doing and are doing in anybody.
00:54:08.700But it's a small group, but everybody else, because of the way the medical system works, gets subsumed in that orthodoxy.
00:54:16.880And it's very much the way that, you know, the Catholic Church reacted to the pedophile scandal.
00:54:23.060There was only a handful of priests, relatively, who were raping children, and nine out of ten priests who weren't.
00:54:31.700But all of them, the priests among seniors, the bishops, the archbishops, all the way up to the Vatican, became trapped in this orthodoxy, subsumed in this orthodoxy that we need, that this institution is so important to children, to peace, to all of these other good things.
00:54:51.580That the people who are getting injured are collateral damage.
00:54:57.880And it's exactly the phenomenon that you're talking about.
00:55:01.220And I think they do a really good job in the movie Dope Sick of showing how good, idealistic, high-minded, patient-oriented doctors ended up giving this poison to their patients.
00:55:29.500Yeah, no, I think that what's happened during COVID with all these doctors and all these organizations writing articles about how masks are the key to our safety, which completely fell apart.
00:55:39.340And all the medical professionals who wrote that this 100% did not begin in a lab, but it came from, you know, some animal source, which we've never found despite testing 80,000 animals.
00:55:55.280However, the reality is the studies on this saying there is no link between the vaccines and autism, any of, you know, from the MMR or otherwise, come not just from the United States.
00:56:15.000It's a worldwide conspiracy to stick needles in the arms of babies, irrespective of the catastrophic damage we could be causing to them cognitively.
00:56:23.280And let me tell you what the National Academy of Sciences and the Institute of Medicine say.
00:56:31.280Hey, you know, pull off in all those groups that you talk about have studied two things.
00:56:37.440One vaccine, which is the MMR vaccine.
00:56:52.520And they've studied one ingredient in my Marisol.
00:56:55.000But when we sued them, they admitted that all the vaccines that are given during the first six months of life, the ones that are the only ones that could be related to birth autism, that they've never studied a single one of them.
00:57:14.860So you show me a study of the MMR vaccine, the DTP vaccine, the Hib vaccine, and I'll concede to you.
00:57:24.660You can only show me the one study and one kind of study, which is the MMR, and they deliberately restrict it.
00:57:31.560And by the way, those people, all those studies that you're talking about from all over the world, look who funded them.
00:57:37.820Two groups or three groups, Welcome Trust, which is GlaxoSmithKline, the pharmaceutical industry, or NIH, they're being funded by people who are funding them in order to cover up the association.
00:57:56.200And you can easily design, particularly epidemiological studies, you can conceal the impact to small subgroups of vulnerable populations.
00:58:18.920I also understand that many medical professionals, my own on up, will say that the risk of flu to children is far more significant and dangerous than the risk from any minuscule trace of thimerosal in the vaccine.
00:58:34.620And you can also get the vaccine without thimerosal in it now.
00:58:39.100And so unfortunately, the people who get the ones without thimerosal are wealthy people who know to ask the questions that thimerosal vaccines are sent to poor black neighborhoods where, you know, there's no political power.
00:58:53.300There's no power for them to ask or to object or to get an alternative.
00:58:57.480And they're sent to 161 million children in Africa annually.
00:59:03.900So this is a, this is, you know, a, an attack on the poor.
00:59:08.960And, you know, listen, I just want to point something out that people should understand.
00:59:15.820When you hear that the science says this because CDC says it or because my doctor says it or because FDA says it, that is a debating technique that is known as a logical fallacy.
00:59:31.780It's specifically known as appeals to authority.
00:59:35.600Oh, instead of showing me the scientific study, which you cannot show me, that shows that flu vaccines save more lives than they cost.
00:59:45.400You cannot show me a study that shows that.
00:59:47.900I can show you many studies and I've written about this.
00:59:54.840You can go through each of those studies and you can link to this study in preeminent journals by independent scientists, universities, research centers all over the world.
01:00:07.460You cannot show me a study that says, that shows that the flu vaccine actually averts more problems than it causes.
01:00:17.220You show me that study, then I will walk away from that issue.
01:00:20.800I know, but every time I say, and listen, I understand I've ceded to you the point that the CDC is not necessarily a public health organization, but that doesn't mean that everything they've ever said is wrong and that we get to discard every single study that they've done.
01:00:35.020You know, there are hundreds of millions of people who have gotten these vaccines who are perfectly healthy, perfectly healthy in part thanks to the vaccines.
01:00:43.240They're not walking around with measles.
01:01:29.360Show me or call all of these guys who you talk to.
01:01:32.960I'm, you know, Paul Offit and the other people and ask them to show you a scientific study for each vaccine that shows that this vaccine is averting for harm and it's causing.
01:03:20.160I would characterize Anthony Fauci as kind of the preeminent architect of agency capture of the transfer of NIAID and also its parent agency NIH from a public health agency to an agency that is primarily concerned with drug promotion,
01:03:46.220with drug development and drug promotion and partnering with the pharmaceutical industry on profit making enterprises.
01:03:53.860Does he personally make a profit through this?
01:03:58.580I would say that that is the least important factor in in this, you know, in this problem.
01:04:17.580Any product that is developed by NIAID, anybody who works on that product that he designates can get a patent margin rights on that product and entitle them under the federal rules now to collect $150,000 a year for royalty for life.
01:04:39.860So he has four of his top employees who each have margin rights, patent rights, royalty rights, or the Moderna vaccine because we paid for it.
01:04:49.900We put a U.S. taxpayer through Fauci put in $1.5 billion, now $2.5 billion to develop that vaccine.
01:04:58.800NIH claims half of the vaccine, half of the vaccine, so it stands to make billions and billions of dollars, the agency, but also high-level individuals, influential individuals in the agency, people who are very loyal to Tony Fauci,
01:05:14.240can get awarded through Fauci the rights to collect lifetime royalties on those products.
01:05:24.260And they make hundreds and hundreds of products.
01:05:27.720They develop hundreds and hundreds of products, and all of those are potential profit-making enterprises for people, high-level people within NIH.
01:05:39.080But you don't seem to be alleging that that's really his motivation.
01:05:43.360No, I don't think that's his motivation.
01:37:27.800So let me ask you this, because we covered this on the show, but there was the moment after we saw the first few cases and they the virologists started to look at the virus.
01:37:38.880You know, they get their first look at it.
01:37:40.480And there was reporting that that he Fauci and Francis Collins, who was then running in our NIH, they had a conference call with all these maybe 12 top virologists in the world.
01:38:11.780And after who knows what communications with Fauci and Collins behind the scenes, they all did a 180 and they all stand behind that 180 to this day.
01:38:21.140It was like, oh, and yet they have failed to share with the rest of us.
01:38:26.600What was it that changed your very strongly held opinions that it was manmade to this very strongly held opinion, which they were now calling racist that it they were calling the manmade theory racist to change it.
01:38:41.320It definitely came from an animal zoonotic origin, even though to this day we have yet to find the animal.
01:38:46.040They've examined it, as I said earlier, 80,000 animals haven't found it.
01:38:51.960Yeah, Megan, it's also noteworthy that all of those people on that telephone call were receiving.
01:38:58.440We're doing work at the Wuhan lab or we're receiving money from Tony Fauci from NIH that, you know, and not just a little money, tens of millions of dollars and more.
01:39:13.780Or from Wellcome Trust, which is the British version of the Gates Foundation.
01:39:23.800And, you know, it's kind of almost like functions as an arm of the pharmaceutical industry.
01:39:30.740It's essentially the GlaxoSmithKline stock portfolio.
01:39:36.000And even more interesting, almost all the key players on that phone call who then took part in creating all of this literature out there that, you know, that characterized suggestions of Lablee as crackpot conspiracy theories.
01:39:55.860I got thrown off of Instagram, you know, for saying that Congress should investigate this.
01:40:03.700Virtually all of them following their publications in the Lancet and Nature Medicine received huge, huge grants from Tony Fauci.
01:40:15.860I mean, grants of, you know, 30 million, 40 million, I think up to 60 million.
01:40:21.100Kristen Anderson, I don't remember exactly what he got, but it could have been as high as 60 million dollars spent after he performed that very, very important task for the, you know, for the medical cartel and the orthodoxy.
01:40:37.360We check that, too, that they not only had they received grants beforehand, they grant they received them after their miraculous and as yet unexplained 180.
01:40:46.580So it goes to a larger point that you make in the book, which is that there's the you call it the medical cartel, but there is no daylight between Anthony Fauci and his group and big pharma.
01:41:10.520We need regulators that are not getting money from pharma, that are not, you know, doing pharma's bidding, but aren't really working for public health.
01:41:17.980The American people that are using real science.
01:41:20.460Listen, you can go in the you can go on the public health records or Kaiser, the HMO records.
01:41:28.140If let's say you're a young associate professor at UCLA medical school, you want to do a publication and easy publication would do get a hold of the Kaiser Permanente medical records, a depersonalized version.
01:41:42.200So you can't tell who the people are and then look at the vaccine records and look at associations with subsequent diagnoses for autism or ADD or or peanut allergies.
01:41:54.360If you try to do a study, propose a study like an NIH is going to find out they fund everything and, you know, it's likely that the dean of your medical school will get a call from you walk in class or, you know, one of Tony Fauci's other operatives saying, you know, don't let this.
01:42:15.100Don't let this clown do this study or is going to put 50 or 60 or a hundred million dollars in annual funding from NIH to your medical school in jeopardy.
01:42:26.780So, oh, you know, between him and Gates and welcome trust Jeremy for our.
01:42:36.020They provide 64 percent of the biomedical research on the planet.
01:42:42.440And if you are a young researcher, a scientist, you know, a professor at a medical school, they have the capacity not only to make your career, but also to ruin it.
01:42:55.540And that's the way that they control not only the scientific studies that get done, but also the outcome of all those studies across the planet.
01:43:05.540And, you know, what Fauci has done, what he's supposed to do, that kind of study.
01:43:13.380Instead, what he does is he spends the bulk of his budget developing medications, which they then farm out to the university to do phase one, phase two, and phase three trials.
01:43:25.940And the university could make a hundred million dollars on one of those trials.
01:43:31.660Also gets royalty rights to the drug they're developing.
01:43:34.880Then when it is so NIAID takes royalty rights.
01:43:41.440The principal investigator, who is the professor at the university, who's running the clinical trial, recruiting the, you know, the volunteers.
01:43:49.480He may get $15,000 of volunteer in grant money, and then he gets royalty rights.
01:43:57.400And then the pharmaceutical industry comes in for the phase three, and they then own the bulk of the patent, but they're sharing royalty rights with all these other players.
01:44:11.500Everybody is making money on this drug, and the people who are supposed to be telling us, does the drug actually benefit people, or is it just making money for pharma?
01:44:41.500Well, you make the related point that Fauci has managed to populate the FDA, the CDC, with all of his loyalists now, which would explain so much of what we saw over the past two years.
01:45:00.420Yeah, because, Megan, if you look at how these drugs get approved and recommended, they're not actually being approved by people who work at FDA, by FDA employees.
01:47:44.120And I and yet other than VAERS, which I know is not that reliable because you just self report and who knows.
01:47:51.260Because we don't have something like a completely trusted database that's keeping track of the vaccine injuries that would help us truly understand the level of risk.
01:47:59.740And I think this is a fascinating theory.
01:48:01.320And there won't be is basically what you're saying, because he's trying to get rid of the group that doesn't that didn't get the vaccine.
01:48:09.560So we won't have anything to compare it to.
01:48:11.320Well, that's, you know, it's again, that's a a it's hard to explain.
01:48:21.860It's sort of bewildering to explain why are they even when they know that the vaccines do not prevent transmission,
01:48:28.700the vaccines do not prevent people from getting the disease.
01:48:31.860Why is there this single minded obsession with forcibly vaccinating people with a with an experimental product?
01:49:22.740And I I don't know whether that's true or not.
01:49:25.660I know that I mean, Tony Fauci has admitted the two claims they made from the vaccine at the outset to justify the program was that prevent you from getting sick and preventing transmission and therefore ending the pandemic.
01:49:43.920As far as the science is concerned, I'll say in their defense, and I'm anti mandate, but I will say in their defense, it worked better at preventing transmission on the original variant, the original form than it than it did as Delta came.
01:50:29.620So I don't know, and I can't say, and I think we're going to find out over time, hopefully, whether it actually does function in the way that we hope it does to prevent vaccine injury and death.
01:50:45.140I'll say, you know, explain to your listeners that people wonder why did we need to suppress ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine?
01:50:55.800These are well-established drugs with well-established safety profiles that have got billions of doses that have been given.
01:51:14.320There is a little-known federal law that says you cannot give an emergency use authorization to a vaccine.
01:51:22.580If there is any medication approved for any purpose that is shown effective against the target disease.
01:51:34.860So if Tony Fauci or anybody had admitted that hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin are effective against COVID, it would have been illegal for them to give the emergency use authorizations to the vaccines and they could never have gotten them approved.
01:51:51.500And it would have been, you know, a 200 billion enterprise that would have collapsed.
01:51:59.340I mean, I have been covering this very closely now for all of the two years.
01:52:03.120That's the first I've heard that, I mean, in your book.
01:52:06.700So he would not have gotten emergency use authorization for the vaccine if the medical community had been saying,
01:52:14.520ivermectin works, it is an effective treatment for COVID.
01:52:18.460Well, the medical community, a lot of it was saying that.
01:52:22.860I mean, there's 17,000 doctors who've signed a petition and there are, you know, there are so many peer-reviewed publications now that consistently say that.
01:52:34.960But he had to aggressively crusade against it to kind of drown out those reports by saying it's a horse medication.
01:52:43.060And it's, you know, people are taking it and it's dangerous and it's overdosing people.
01:52:49.400And, you know, why do you keep saying it?
01:52:50.940Why do you, why do you keep saying it after he got his authorization?
01:52:55.360Well, one, even if you have the emergency use authorization, it's it.
01:53:01.100The law appears to say you can't have it anymore if there's a functioning medication.
01:53:06.020Oh, you know, that may be why, again, I try not to look in his head, but I do.
01:53:13.900There's a very, very strong incentive for him to kill ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine.
01:53:20.020And, you know, there are many doctors, including Harvey Reach of Yale, who is one of the leading biostatisticians, epidemiologists in the world.
01:53:30.180Peter McCulloch, who is the most published doctor in the history of the world in his specialty.
01:53:39.160Pierre Corey, these doctors who have treated tens of thousands of of covid patients successfully.
01:53:47.800They consistently say and the science supports this, that half a million Americans did not need to die.
01:53:59.120Anthony Fauci is a medical doctor who's, as far as we know, never treated a covid patient.
01:54:03.020So just for the record, I want to ask you, though, because you mentioned the fact that you got bounced off of Instagram where you had a very healthy following.
01:54:14.280Correct me if I'm wrong on the numbers, but you got bounced off of there for saying we need to investigate the lab leak theory.
01:54:21.580You've been I think you're number two on the White House's, quote, disinformation dozen.
01:54:26.640So we've had a very strange situation where you have government action to try to silence a private citizen from expressing his viewpoints, which is totally contrary to the First Amendment.
01:54:38.060And everyone seemed to roll over and say, yeah, OK, fine.
01:54:40.700As long as we're shutting up RFK Jr., that's fine.
01:54:43.660That's that's OK with us because he's, you know, anti covid vaccine or he's raising questions about the covid vaccine.
01:54:49.060So I wonder how you feel now that some of the claims that, you know, you were making have borne out.
01:55:07.680What do you think about the censorship you've endured?
01:55:10.520Oh, I mean, to me, Megan, that's the most disturbing feature of this.
01:55:15.820And that is where we will pick it up tomorrow with part two, the efforts to silence Robert, the personal toll it has taken on his marriage to Cheryl Hines and why he refuses, despite all of it, to back down.
01:56:04.940But I actually gave her language that was much, much tougher than that, because she needed to distance herself from me.
01:56:12.800I, my job at her husband is to protect her and the, the arrows and the bullets that were being slung at me were hitting her.
01:56:22.000But my activities, the jeopardizing this thing that this incredible person put together was just, like, I felt like my job is to protect her and I was doing the opposite of my job.
01:56:38.200So my heart was breaking and I was, you know, I would have done it, taken any blow to make sure that she could distance herself.
01:56:51.320Plus, he shares the one moment that has always stayed with him after his father's assassination.
01:56:58.000Before we go, we wanted to let you know that we did reach out to Dr. Anthony Fauci and Dr. Ralph Baric.
01:57:03.820Neither responded to our request or comment.
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