The Megyn Kelly Show - Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma

00:00:00.520 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.140 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.360 This week we're bringing you a deep dive into the influential picks that President-elect Donald Trump is making.

00:00:21.140 And one of the biggest names is Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as Health and Human Services Secretary.

00:00:27.320 RFKJ has become a household name, and his endorsement of Trump in August was a huge moment in this race.

00:00:33.940 But it wasn't always like that for RFKJ.

00:00:36.640 Back in July 2021, President Biden promoted him as a leading member of the, quote, disinformation dozen.

00:00:45.000 And then he was deplatformed virtually everywhere.

00:00:48.540 But in March of 2022, we sat down and interviewed Bobby Kennedy for the first time.

00:00:56.740 Can I tell you, it was crazy because I was in Montana at the time on spring break with my family, and it was so nuts.

00:01:03.820 Do you guys remember when my, my babe, my little boy got hurt, seriously hurt on the ski mountain and, and split his spleen in three places?

00:01:14.400 And, uh, I almost didn't get to do this interview.

00:01:17.340 It was like, the whole week was so crazy.

00:01:19.920 We had put so much work into this.

00:01:23.080 My whole team had been fact-checking him, his book, calling his critics to get ammo and so on, right?

00:01:29.620 Just so we could make sure we had done our job and that this interview could live on all the social media platforms.

00:01:35.900 It was a feat because we interviewed him.

00:01:39.320 This was my first interview of him.

00:01:40.860 We had scheduled 90 minutes.

00:01:42.580 We wound up talking for four hours.

00:01:44.240 It was an incredible conversation and it did live.

00:01:48.100 You know what?

00:01:48.880 It lived on all platforms.

00:01:50.900 It didn't get censored at all.

00:01:52.860 And it was the beginning of his public resurrection, uh, on social media and in the podcast lane and so on.

00:02:01.060 And, and really just getting his voice back out there at the end of the taping, he told me this quote, thanks for your courage, integrity.

00:02:07.720 And I hope this, they, they leave this up for more than 10 seconds, right?

00:02:12.320 Well, they did.

00:02:13.240 They did.

00:02:14.600 Um, and I think you'll be fascinated by this interview.

00:02:17.500 If you've heard it before, you're still going to love it because you'll learn new things.

00:02:19.880 I do.

00:02:20.340 I've listened to it like three times.

00:02:21.940 Um, and if you haven't heard it, you need to, because people are going back right now.

00:02:25.180 We can see the downloads.

00:02:26.260 They're already through the roof on it since he got named because this thing is comprehensive.

00:02:30.680 We do vaccines.

00:02:32.580 We do the JFK assassination.

00:02:35.100 We go through COVID, everything, Fauci.

00:02:38.700 The shows and the clips have been seen millions of times.

00:02:41.900 Here's the first half of the episode.

00:02:43.700 The second half will come out on Friday.

00:02:46.420 See you then and have a wonderful Thanksgiving.

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00:04:16.060 Thank you so much for being with us today.

00:04:18.340 Thank you for having me, Megan.

00:04:19.940 All right, let's start with the Fauci book, because one of the most interesting things about it is how it's been totally blackballed by basically everyone.

00:04:29.740 I mean, it's been a complete media blackout on the book.

00:04:34.320 You know, we've gone into 12 separate printings.

00:04:38.160 And so we ran out of books a dozen times.

00:04:43.680 Wow.

00:04:44.080 And now they have plenty of books.

00:04:46.060 Wow.

00:04:46.340 And Bobby, if we can, just to remind folks, your voice is a little raspy, and there's a reason for that, just so people aren't distracted.

00:04:55.000 And would you care to share the reason for that?

00:04:56.620 And I apologize to that, particularly to your listeners and to you, because my voice is really hard to listen to.

00:05:04.300 I had a very, very, like, unusually strong voice until I was 42 years old, 1996, 1997.

00:05:12.580 I was struck with this condition, which is called spasmodic dystonia.

00:05:19.640 My throat, actually, if you scoped my throat, it would look like a very, very healthy throat.

00:05:26.900 But I have a neurological condition.

00:05:30.360 So my brain is instructing my voice box to tighten up.

00:05:36.000 And for some reason, nobody really understands.

00:05:40.000 It goes in and out.

00:05:41.100 So some days, my voice is pretty strong.

00:05:44.620 And other days, it's very staggered and kind of difficult to listen to.

00:05:54.460 And today is not a good day for my voice.

00:05:57.600 So, again, I apologize to you.

00:05:59.600 Not at all.

00:06:00.240 Not at all.

00:06:01.380 I'm sorry to even raise it.

00:06:02.740 It's just whenever there's a distraction, I want to.

00:06:04.720 You know what?

00:06:05.140 Whenever I give a speech, Megan, I always explain it to people because, I mean, it is, I can't listen to myself.

00:06:14.720 I have never listened to my own podcast.

00:06:17.540 I don't listen to myself on TV or radio because it's disturbing for me to hear my voice.

00:06:24.920 So I feel sorry for people who need to listen to it.

00:06:28.760 And I feel like it helps me to give them an explanation.

00:06:32.600 You're worth it.

00:06:33.380 You're worth it.

00:06:34.060 And, you know, I was thinking about it as I was reading about your condition, thinking it's a particularly cruel thing to have handed to you, right?

00:06:41.540 I mean, it's quite literally the loss of your voice, right?

00:06:44.720 To have your actual voice diminished in any way or interfered with, it must be galling, must be frustrating.

00:06:53.360 I don't know.

00:06:54.180 How has that felt to have that deteriorate?

00:06:57.480 Well, you know, it's definitely a paradox or an irony because so much of what I do is dependent on my voice as an attorney, as a public speaker,

00:07:09.100 as, you know, somebody who is a voice now kind of for the movement that, you know, I have this particular disability.

00:07:20.060 But, you know, I think any, listen, there's people who have a lot worse disabilities than me.

00:07:27.240 I have a cousin who lost a leg when he was 11 years old.

00:07:32.300 My family has been around people, you know, working on disabilities for many, many years.

00:07:37.560 So I, I've never spent even a second feeling sorry for myself or, you know, it's just something that God gave me.

00:07:48.100 I have to figure out what, you know, why is this a gift?

00:07:52.180 Why is this challenge been given to me?

00:07:54.480 And that's, you know, and then to do the best I can and not be deterred by it.

00:07:59.340 It's not something I would complain about.

00:08:01.160 Well, the patriarch of the Kennedy family, Joseph Kennedy, the man with whom it all started, and that's your grandpa, Bobby Kennedy's dad, Jack Kennedy's dad.

00:08:10.700 As I understand it, he wasn't so big on whiners.

00:08:14.320 And so you were all raised from the, from the cradle to toughen up and not walk around feeling, woe is me.

00:08:22.360 Yeah, I think that's right.

00:08:24.740 He, he would, if you whined around him, he would come into the house, clapping his hands, saying there are no whiners in this house.

00:08:32.600 There's no complaining in this house.

00:08:35.700 And, you know, um, we were reminded growing up time after time that we were very, very fortunate compared to 99% of humanity.

00:08:47.800 We had a very, very cushy existence.

00:08:50.640 And, you know, none of us really had a right to complain about anything.

00:08:56.420 And I, um, you know, I think it's a better way to live to just say, you know, you're not going to complain.

00:09:03.840 Um, I think self-duty is crippling to people.

00:09:07.600 Yes.

00:09:07.740 I mean, coming from that kind of an upbringing and family approach to life, today's day and age must be very frustrating to you.

00:09:14.520 I'm sure your grandfather would be horrified to see how much we lean into victimhood today, whether actual or imagined.

00:09:23.380 It's become something we prize it's celebrated.

00:09:27.880 It's no longer something to triumph over.

00:09:31.160 It's more like, great.

00:09:32.580 You've got something to complain about.

00:09:34.100 We all want to hear it.

00:09:36.380 Yeah.

00:09:38.200 Well, I don't think that anybody ever got to their deathbed and said, you know, I wish I had spent more time complaining.

00:09:45.520 I think there's a, one of the things that I found out during my early sobriety, it was really a technique that was a gift to me, um, was that gratitude was a choice.

00:09:59.740 And that, you know, my inclination, I think the inclination of most people is not to be grateful, but to, um, to wake up every day with a sense of impending doom and then, you know, to look for reasons to be discontent.

00:10:17.620 And, um, and it's really about the way that we process reality.

00:10:22.300 You could have two people who are doing this, who are shoveling manure and one of them could be whistling and laughing and the other one could be grumbling and, and cursing.

00:10:34.400 And it's, it all is taking place inside our own heads.

00:10:38.960 You know, how do we choose to practice, to, to process our reality?

00:10:44.300 Do we choose to look at the half glass, half empty, or glass foam?

00:10:48.460 I, you know, every day of my life, I make a gratitude list.

00:10:52.920 I, I just list, you know, a lot of, uh, banal things like orange juice, antibiotics, air conditioning.

00:11:01.140 And, you know, the glass on the windows, the things that generations, 20,000 generations of humanity never had those things.

00:11:10.920 We live like gods compared to most of the human beings in history, even the most unfortunate, you know, American today.

00:11:19.960 And so we can either choose to be grateful about those things, or we can, um, you know, choose to be anxious.

00:11:29.440 And, you know, it was a revelation to me to, to learn, to, to realize that that was a choice and it was my condition that was, you know, that was imposed upon us.

00:11:40.880 Mm-hmm.

00:11:41.520 Gosh, I mean, I wish people could understand the full extent of what you've been through.

00:11:47.300 How old are you now?

00:11:48.080 I'm actually 68 years old.

00:11:50.140 68.

00:11:50.700 I mean, you look so young.

00:11:51.840 You look good.

00:11:53.160 Um, you know, but because it's crazy.

00:11:55.060 Like people will have one, one of the many things that have happened to you and spend the rest of their lives lamenting it and leaning into their sadness, their depression.

00:12:05.220 It's something that defines them not to bum you out, but I'm just, just off the top of my head.

00:12:10.360 Obviously your father was assassinated.

00:12:12.360 Your uncle, the president of the United States was assassinated when you were a young boy.

00:12:16.460 Um, your cousin, JFK Jr.

00:12:19.960 Died far too young in a plane crash.

00:12:22.740 You've had your own personal challenges and here you are on a mission, staying on the thing that you care most about, the environment, public health.

00:12:31.060 You've taken a ton of incoming, you know, you've been demonized by large factions of the press.

00:12:38.260 You never stop.

00:12:39.560 You never stop.

00:12:40.200 And I admire it.

00:12:40.840 Okay, so let's, let's go and let's talk about vaccines because I know a lot of people, the reason a lot of people will dismiss the book on Fauci is the prior stance on vaccines.

00:12:48.680 And when you say RFK Jr.

00:12:50.520 To people, they say, oh, you know, he's against vaccines.

00:12:54.360 He hates the MMR vaccine.

00:12:55.680 You know, it's, it's saved millions of people.

00:12:57.280 It's, it's helped, you know, so many kids.

00:12:59.740 Um, and you have been critical of obviously the vaccine regime.

00:13:03.680 So for the record, where do you stand on vaccines like the MMR vaccine and other related childhood vaccines today?

00:13:11.480 Well, I have never been anti-vaccine.

00:13:14.960 That is a pejorative that's applied to me in order to marginalize me and silence me.

00:13:22.320 And, and as you point out, have people dismiss me as somebody who's irrational or crazy.

00:13:27.760 What I've said is we should have safe vaccines.

00:13:30.960 We have, should have good, robust science.

00:13:33.320 We should have regulators that are independent of the pharmaceutical industry that is profiteering on the vaccines.

00:13:39.800 And that's true.

00:13:40.600 I started doing this for trying to get mercury out of the vaccines.

00:13:45.160 And, you know, I spent, and that was real.

00:13:50.220 I was very focused on that issue because mercury clearly is neurotoxin.

00:13:55.480 There is no, there are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of studies that show that it is devastating.

00:14:01.460 It causes dramatic IQ loss.

00:14:03.660 It damages every organ.

00:14:05.080 And, um, it causes all kinds of brain damage and that there's no safe level of mercury exposure.

00:14:13.060 And the idea that we would be injecting mercury directly into babies, um, you know, I was suing at that time, this is 2005.

00:14:23.760 I had lawsuits against, I think, 39 coal-burning power plants and cement kilns for discharging mercury from the stacks.

00:14:34.160 Mercury was, was getting precipitating out of the rainfall, getting into our fish.

00:14:39.220 FDA did a study in 2003 that showed that every freshwater fish in America had dangerous levels of mercury in its flesh.

00:14:48.980 And, you know, it occurred to me that we were living a science fiction nightmare where my children and children of every other American could now no longer engage in the seminal primal activity of American youth.

00:15:01.540 Which is to go fishing with their mom or dad in the local fishing home and then come home and safely eat the fish.

00:15:08.600 Oh, I've been trying for 17 years to get the mercury out of the vaccines.

00:15:13.940 It's out of many American vaccines.

00:15:16.320 We're still giving it to every African child and it's still in the flu shots.

00:15:20.880 Um, but you know, I spent 35 years trying to get mercury out of the fish and nobody calls me anti-fish.

00:15:35.440 So I'm trying to get mercury out of the vaccines.

00:15:38.100 It doesn't make me anti-vaccine.

00:15:39.820 It makes, if the vaccine works, I'd be the first one to take it.

00:15:45.000 And I took flu vaccines for 20 years every year.

00:15:50.020 All my children are fully vaccinated.

00:15:52.680 So the pushback that, you know, against that claim is on the mercury.

00:15:57.240 Let's just start with that.

00:15:59.020 Um, that as I understand it, there are two types of mercury that we're dealing with, right?

00:16:03.580 There's, there's, um, ethyl mercury in vaccines and then there's methyl mercury, which is found

00:16:10.740 in fish.

00:16:11.700 And, um, apparently, you know, methyl mercury is more of a potent neurotoxin than ethyl mercury

00:16:17.440 is, which is said to be safer.

00:16:19.540 Ethyl is than methyl.

00:16:21.500 And the experts, right?

00:16:23.540 The people on the other side of you that I'm using that term in quotes, uh, experts, but

00:16:28.000 they say that ethyl mercury in the vaccines will exit the body much faster.

00:16:32.440 So it's less of a safety issue than the methyl mercury you might find in eating a fish.

00:16:37.960 Um, they say that, okay, so that's with respect to, to mercury.

00:16:41.660 And, and there's a guy I'm sure you've read his, uh, piece is a professor of pediatrics,

00:16:46.100 director of the vaccine education center at the children's hospital, Philadelphia, Paul

00:16:49.280 Offit, who says, look, the human body will eliminate ethyl mercury that's in vaccines

00:16:55.280 far more efficiently than it eliminates naturally occurring methyl mercury that's in fish.

00:17:00.140 So we're better at getting rid of the ethyl.

00:17:02.440 That they, that would be in a vaccine.

00:17:04.180 They use it as, um, basically a preservative so that the vaccine is, remains viable to

00:17:09.740 give to you.

00:17:10.620 Um, so they say we're, we're way better at taking care of that ethyl mercury, our bodies.

00:17:15.080 And they say, he says that, um, a baby would receive far more, um, of this methyl mercury

00:17:23.300 during, during the first six months of life than they would ever receive, uh, long before

00:17:28.100 their first dose of say the influenza vaccine and saying that just simply by living on earth,

00:17:33.540 he writes by six months of age, babies will have ingested in an amount of mercury that

00:17:37.600 is 1,440 times greater, um, than the safety limit that you propose.

00:17:43.400 So in other words, even if we don't give the vaccines to the babies, or even if we take the

00:17:48.020 mercury out of all vaccines, the babies are still going to be getting this methyl mercury

00:17:52.260 thanks to their moms and the way we eat and so on, which belies the claim that somehow

00:17:57.660 the ethyl mercury in the vaccines is somehow causing harm.

00:18:03.060 Okay.

00:18:04.660 So Paul Offit, who told you that knows that that's untrue.

00:18:10.860 And the reason I know he knows it is because I had a conversation with him, which I recorded

00:18:16.700 in 2006, which he admitted that that was a lie.

00:18:21.700 And here's what happened, Megan.

00:18:24.140 And that claim that ethyl mercury is quickly excreted from the body was made originally by

00:18:31.480 Eli Lilly, which developed this thimerosol, the mercury preservative for vaccines in 1932.

00:18:40.080 There was no science that supported them.

00:18:42.400 It literally had no science.

00:18:44.980 Then in 2000, but they were all repeating this again and again, like a mantra.

00:18:50.240 And in 2003, a CDC scientist called Pichiaro did a study that seemed to confirm that claim.

00:18:59.500 And what he did was he measured the mercury levels of the blood of children who had been

00:19:06.360 given a thimerosol vaccine.

00:19:08.820 And within a week, the mercury, the ethyl mercury in the vaccines, it all disappeared.

00:19:14.020 Then he gave the same children a tuna fish sandwich.

00:19:17.800 And the methyl mercury from the tuna fish was in their blood 54 days later.

00:19:23.300 That was a half-life.

00:19:24.380 So his conclusion is, wow, you know, we've been saying this for all these years, and it

00:19:30.600 turns out to be true.

00:19:32.400 And he published that in Pediatrics.

00:19:35.240 And a bunch of scientists, like world authorities on mercury toxicity, like Dr. Boyd Haley from

00:19:41.180 the University of Kentucky, wrote a letter to the journal and said, oh, what happened to

00:19:50.020 the ethyl mercury because Pichiaro could not find it in the sweat of the children, the feces,

00:19:57.640 the blood, the hair, or the fingernails or the urine?

00:20:03.080 What happened to it?

00:20:04.580 Did it really leave the body?

00:20:06.560 So NIH commissioned a monkey study by one of the famous, iconic scientists, Dr. Thomas Pichiaro

00:20:18.420 at University of Seattle in Washington, or University of Washington, Seattle.

00:20:23.860 And he took macaques.

00:20:26.480 He did the same thing.

00:20:27.680 He gave half of the macaques tuna fish sandwiches.

00:20:30.000 He gave the other half mercury vaccines at the same level that our kids are getting.

00:20:36.840 And he found the same thing that Pichiaro did.

00:20:39.320 Within a week, mercury from the vaccine was gone from the blood.

00:20:45.220 The mercury from the tuna was still in those monkeys 54 days later.

00:20:50.900 But then when he sacrificed the monkeys, which means he killed them, at a PM and did mercury

00:20:59.000 content postpartum of their brains, what he found was that the mercury in the brains of

00:21:06.320 the monkeys who had gotten the ethyl mercury from the vaccines was more than double what

00:21:13.360 the monkeys had who had gotten the tuna fish.

00:21:17.240 Not only that, but the mercury had metabolized into organic mercury, which is the most toxic

00:21:23.000 form of mercury.

00:21:24.920 And we now know that 27 years later, it is still in the brain, causing inflammation, causing

00:21:31.860 destruction.

00:21:33.460 So it's very clear that ethyl mercury is much worse for your brain than methylmercury.

00:21:42.220 Why does Paul Offit?

00:21:43.320 Paul Offit told me the same story.

00:21:45.260 This is something they repeat and repeat and repeat, and they all know it's untrue.

00:21:49.300 And that actually, that conversation that I had with him that I taped, and I hope at some

00:21:56.680 time to depose him on, when I said to him, he said, well, Bobby, and, you know, listen,

00:22:03.840 Paul Offit was very sweet to me on the phone.

00:22:06.460 He said, I love your father.

00:22:09.700 He said, I'm, he said, your father is one of the reasons that inspired me to get into public

00:22:17.080 health, et cetera.

00:22:18.360 So I was inclined to really like Paul Offit.

00:22:21.580 You know, I'm susceptible to that kind of flattery.

00:22:24.380 And then he started saying things to me that I knew weren't true.

00:22:28.020 And I asked him this question.

00:22:30.180 I said, how is it that the CDC recommends that pregnant women not eat tuna fish sandwiches,

00:22:38.420 and yet they're giving flu shots and other shots, DTP shots, the same women where the 1.00

00:22:46.360 mercury is not going to be filtered out by stomach acids or by gastric fluids and the

00:22:51.160 gastric process directly into the blood and, and much greater loads than you would get from

00:22:57.300 a dinner for your sandwich.

00:22:58.380 And he told me that story.

00:22:59.800 He said, Bobby, it's because there's two kinds of mercury.

00:23:02.940 There's a good mercury, which is ethylmercury in vaccines, and there's a bad mercury, the

00:23:09.560 methylmercury in fish.

00:23:11.000 And I knew at that time that I was being lied to, because I knew a lot about mercury having

00:23:16.200 litigated it, which is like getting a PhD.

00:23:19.540 And I knew that there is no such thing as a good mercury and a bad mercury.

00:23:24.740 His argument was not with me.

00:23:26.940 It was with the periodic tables and the periodic tables would beat him.

00:23:32.140 So the, the, I, the fact that he is, and I confronted him, he, I said, how do you know

00:23:39.240 it leaves?

00:23:39.820 He said, because there's a study by Pichiaro.

00:23:43.100 And I said, Dr.

00:23:44.460 Offit, what about the Burbacker study?

00:23:47.860 And there was dead silence.

00:23:49.760 And then he said to me, and I can play you this tape.

00:23:52.980 He said, you're right, Bobby.

00:23:55.060 The Pichiaro study doesn't really prove that it's a mosaic of studies.

00:23:59.920 And I said, a mosaic, can you cite any of them?

00:24:03.580 And he said, I'll get back to you.

00:24:05.580 And that's the last I ever heard of Paul Offit.

00:24:08.340 So he knows what he told me was a lie.

00:24:11.460 By the way, mercury is cumulative.

00:24:15.440 And Dr.

00:24:16.440 Offit is right.

00:24:18.280 The kids have many exposures to mercury.

00:24:20.120 Vaccines are much worse.

00:24:21.420 And we know this because of FDA's own studies, their internal studies that showed that kids

00:24:28.620 by their own regulations are receiving huge amounts of mercury, hundreds of times what

00:24:38.200 the EPA maximum of safe exposures are repeatedly during childhood from these vaccines.

00:24:44.040 But Paul is right that we're getting mercury from everywhere.

00:24:50.800 You know, this was not true in pre-industrial times.

00:24:53.900 It was a source of mercury from the environment.

00:24:56.520 Kids, we were not designed to, for exposures to all these heavy metals.

00:25:03.560 We're getting them out because there's pollution all around us.

00:25:07.280 There's dental amalgams and there's all these other sources.

00:25:11.260 We know that the exposures are cumulative.

00:25:15.420 Okay, so let me jump in.

00:25:16.720 Let me jump in here and advance it.

00:25:19.320 Because the bottom line is that in 1997, the FDA did a review of this thimerosal, which

00:25:26.000 has the mercury, which is what they put in the vaccines to preserve the vaccine.

00:25:29.480 And the FDA found that the mercury level in the vaccine schedule was too high.

00:25:35.160 The FDA found that.

00:25:36.040 They said they found no evidence of harm from the use of thimerosal as a vaccine preservative

00:25:41.860 other than local hypersensitivity reactions.

00:25:45.020 And nonetheless, though, they nixed it from the childhood vaccines.

00:25:49.060 I mean, so whatever.

00:25:50.660 People can draw their own conclusions about what the FDA really thought.

00:25:53.460 But for whatever reason, it came out or they said it came out.

00:25:57.460 But as you point out, still in the flu vaccine, which is given to pregnant mothers.

00:26:01.100 But like the MMR and all that, they took it out.

00:26:03.800 They said there's no data or evidence of any harm caused by the level of exposure that

00:26:09.200 some children may have encountered in following the existing immunization schedule.

00:26:12.580 This is 1999.

00:26:13.660 Because the fear in the 1990s was that we upped.

00:26:17.200 You write all about this in your earlier book.

00:26:20.460 But we basically had a situation where in the 1980s, these companies could get sued.

00:26:26.820 These vaccine manufacturers could still get sued.

00:26:29.240 And so one by one, they stopped wanting to manufacture vaccines.

00:26:32.660 I mean, you know, as a lawyer, that has a way of happening.

00:26:36.040 And so under President Reagan, we gave them immunity.

00:26:38.600 Basically said, you can't sue them anymore.

00:26:40.340 We're going to create a pot of money for victims to sue if they think they've been vaccine

00:26:43.600 injured, but you can't you really can't sue the vaccine manufacturers.

00:26:47.380 So they started to develop more.

00:26:49.460 And then lo and behold, the vaccine schedule started to have a bunch more requirements for

00:26:54.140 young kids.

00:26:54.740 So your pediatrician in the 90s was recommending way more vaccines for your kid than back when

00:26:59.380 I was born in 1970.

00:27:00.880 And parents started to do it.

00:27:02.320 And then in the 90s, we started to see an uprise in the number of autism cases, cases of

00:27:07.340 the autism spectrum disorder.

00:27:10.100 And the question came from many parents.

00:27:13.640 Is there a link?

00:27:14.680 You know, did did I do something to my child when I gave him all these many vaccines more

00:27:20.440 than have ever been required in a short amount of time?

00:27:23.840 And then people started to look at the mercury in the vaccines to say, could that have been

00:27:27.360 in too much?

00:27:28.700 You know, as Jenny McCarthy said, because she's one of the parents who believed it happened

00:27:31.540 to her child.

00:27:32.880 Too many vaccines in too short a time.

00:27:35.880 And they did study after study after study after study after study.

00:27:41.460 And what the medical community concluded, right?

00:27:45.220 I'm not going to say I'm not a scientist.

00:27:46.720 What they concluded is that mercury or no mercury, right?

00:27:50.520 Like mercury, no one's making the case that it's perfectly safe, but that it didn't cause

00:27:55.500 autism, that that rise in autism could not be linked to thimerosal.

00:28:01.640 And even when they took thimerosal out of all these vaccines, the number of autism

00:28:05.800 cases continued to go up.

00:28:07.480 So they use that to say, you know, the argument that the vaccines in the 90s were causing autism

00:28:12.560 in children is it falls apart when you look at what happened after we took it out, which

00:28:16.740 is the cases kept going up.

00:28:18.140 The reason, you know, they kept going up is and the reason they were going up in the

00:28:21.640 90s is because we were casting a wider net for what would fall within autism and what

00:28:26.380 wouldn't.

00:28:26.880 You know, we were we were more awake to what that disorder looks like.

00:28:30.760 And we were slapping the proper label on it.

00:28:33.100 It wasn't anything to do with the vaccines.

00:28:37.300 OK, well, you raise a number of issues there.

00:28:40.220 And again, these are all classic industry talking points.

00:28:44.320 But let's take them one at a time.

00:28:45.960 Number one, the mercury was not removed from the vaccines in 2003.

00:28:54.180 It was removed from some of the pediatric vaccines.

00:28:57.100 But at the same time, the CDC mandated for the first time what they call recommended, but

00:29:03.440 it's effectively a mandate.

00:29:05.820 A vaccine flu vaccines for pregnant women and for children and every year of life.

00:29:11.640 So the vaccines that they took out were vaccines they were giving to one, two, three, four times

00:29:17.820 to kids.

00:29:18.820 And now they're giving kids vaccines every single year.

00:29:22.320 And for the first 15 years, 85 to 95 percent of the flu vaccines had bolus doses of mercury,

00:29:31.520 meaning 25 micrograms, huge doses.

00:29:35.400 The maximum exposure is one microgram.

00:29:37.360 So they were getting it again and again and again.

00:29:39.240 And furthermore, for the first time, they're recommending flu vaccines to pregnant women.

00:29:45.720 Next, the mercury, when it was taken out of the other vaccines, was replaced with aluminum.

00:29:53.520 And aluminum is also very, very similar, very potent neurotoxin.

00:29:59.480 So now we're giving kids aluminum vaccines.

00:30:02.800 And in the same wellness visit, you're giving them a mercury flu shot.

00:30:07.760 So, you know, the science on the impacts on autism are unclear.

00:30:16.060 And, you know, anybody who's looked at what CDC and NIH's and FDA's behavior during COVID

00:30:23.000 understands that these are industries that are not doing public health.

00:30:27.580 They are doing pharmaceutical profit promotion.

00:30:31.300 Look, go out and look at this movie that is now on Netflix called, or Hulu, called Dope Sick.

00:30:40.320 Yeah, we've seen it.

00:30:41.300 We interviewed the creator.

00:30:42.440 It is how FDA conspired with pharmaceutical makers to addict American children to opiates.

00:30:51.600 100 percent true.

00:30:52.580 And so this is the same FDA and the same companies that are now killing 56,000 kids a year with opioids,

00:31:02.280 more kids every year, and were killed in the 20-year Vietnam War.

00:31:07.920 Well, these are companies that are immoral and are, in many cases, criminal.

00:31:14.220 You know, Pfizer paid the work, the highest criminal penalties of any corporation in history.

00:31:19.360 These are serial felons. 0.74

00:31:21.740 And they have captured the agency that's supposed to be protecting us from their behavior.

00:31:26.520 Well, wait a minute.

00:31:26.860 So let me let me pause you.

00:31:27.900 I agree with I agree that they're the the public health agencies have proven over the course of

00:31:32.780 COVID that they're nothing of the kind, that they are in bed with Democrat politicians and

00:31:37.040 with big pharma and their behavior to this day.

00:31:39.560 It confirms that in many ways.

00:31:40.720 And we'll talk about that.

00:31:41.900 But but on the subject of vaccines, if you go back, if they're so bad, right, it's like

00:31:46.540 then why are why isn't everyone sick?

00:31:48.220 Why?

00:31:48.600 Why don't we all have effects?

00:31:49.920 Why don't we all have autism?

00:31:51.180 And why?

00:31:51.880 Why did you give them to your kids?

00:31:55.280 Stay tuned for Robert's response next.

00:31:58.480 But first, we did reach out to Dr.

00:32:00.360 Paul Offit on Robert's claim that he has Dr.

00:32:03.060 Offit on tape, admitting that he shares concerns about ethyl mercury in vaccines.

00:32:08.240 Dr.

00:32:09.100 Offit confirmed that Robert did indeed once record him, but he told us if he said what

00:32:14.560 Robert is alleging on that tape, Robert would have released it publicly by now.

00:32:18.600 We followed up with Robert's team on his offer to play us the tape.

00:32:22.040 They said he recently moved and that it would be difficult to find in time for our air date.

00:32:27.600 Also regarding aluminum in vaccines.

00:32:29.900 We spoke with one of our trusted doctors, Dr.

00:32:33.120 David Doughty, an infectious disease epidemiologist at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public

00:32:38.600 Health.

00:32:39.020 He's been on our show before.

00:32:40.740 He says it's important to remember that the amount of aluminum in vaccines is substantially

00:32:45.100 lower than the aluminum we inadvertently eat and drink and put under our arms in deodorant

00:32:52.020 every day.

00:32:53.580 We'll be right back.

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00:34:03.480 On the subject of vaccines, if you go back, if they're so bad, right?

00:34:07.440 It's like, then why aren't, why isn't everyone sick?

00:34:09.360 Why, why don't we all have birth defects?

00:34:11.040 Why don't we all have autism?

00:34:12.300 And why, why did you give them to your kids?

00:34:14.660 Well, because I didn't know, like most American parents, I didn't know.

00:34:18.280 I just believe when my doctor said I wasn't in this space, I wasn't studying what was happening.

00:34:24.460 If I had to go back, I would not.

00:34:26.640 But here, here's the thing, Megan, is that, you know, we are, to say the kids aren't sick, explain what happened with autism.

00:34:38.660 Like you just said, it's simply not true.

00:34:40.620 But we're just noticing it more, you mean, we missed it before.

00:34:44.780 That's not from me.

00:34:45.400 That's from the experts.

00:34:46.300 Right, I know that's not from you.

00:34:47.520 I hear it all the time.

00:34:48.700 But missing autism is like missing a train wreck.

00:34:51.260 You can't do it.

00:34:52.680 Listen, I was raised.

00:34:53.860 I'll tell you a couple of things.

00:34:56.500 One, we have gone, the autism rates, which, you know, the scientists in the 40s and 50s were as smarter, smarter than the scientists today.

00:35:06.820 They knew what they were looking at.

00:35:08.380 The first scientist to ever see autism to identify was Leo Kanner in 1934.

00:35:15.360 And he said, nothing like this has ever been seen before in science and will never be seen again.

00:35:20.840 It was genuinely rare.

00:35:22.680 I was raised in, you know, in the heart, at the spear tip of the movement to provide people with children with intellectual disabilities rights.

00:35:33.220 My aunt Eunice, who was my godmother, started Special Olympics 10 miles from my home. 0.95

00:35:38.760 I worked there every weekend when I was a kid as a hugger, a coach from when I was eight years old.

00:35:45.120 It was called Camp Shriver then.

00:35:47.200 We changed it in 1968 to Special Olympics.

00:35:50.420 Because of my family's immersion, part of our DNA is, you know, serving the community of people with intellectual disabilities.

00:36:03.100 I spent 200 hours during my high school years at Waseic, home for the retarded, in upstate New York as a helper. 1.00

00:36:13.260 I never saw a case of full-blown autism.

00:36:16.420 You know, people back then, you had a quirky uncle or somebody who didn't have social skills.

00:36:22.240 But full-blown autism, we never saw.

00:36:24.320 We didn't see it in Special Olympics.

00:36:26.180 We prided ourselves on being able to accommodate every child, no matter how, debilitating their disability.

00:36:33.700 So even children who are functionally vegetative, we could put them on a platform and have them teach them to push a beanbag off onto the ground. 0.99

00:36:44.400 And people would cheer for them and make it a good event.

00:36:48.620 The kids today, kids who are, these kids that we're seeing with autism that are nonverbal, non-toilet trained, screaming, biting, headbanging, violent, toe-walking, stimming.

00:37:02.040 We never saw kids like that in the 60s and 70s.

00:37:04.920 We just, and today, to this day, I have never seen somebody my age, 68 years old, who has full-blown autism.

00:37:17.120 Where are they?

00:37:18.400 Okay, but wait, but let me ask you, because I know you as an environmental lawyer have, to this day, say, there's all sorts of things in the environment that may be poisoning us.

00:37:28.060 You know, I'm sure you could give us the list, right?

00:37:30.080 To make a link to the vaccines is a bridge too far, say your phrase.

00:37:33.040 There's actually a doctor out there who has made that list, because you have to, what happened is, Congress said to EPA, and by the way, there are many, many studies, including the MIND Institute at UC Davis, commissioned by the California legislature, to answer the very question that you just asked.

00:37:53.080 Could this be, you know, changing diagnostic criteria?

00:37:56.700 Could it be an expanded knowledge of diagnoses?

00:37:59.720 The answer, they've said persistently, one after the other, is no.

00:38:04.900 Whoever told you that from the industry knows that this is true.

00:38:09.880 No, no, I'm citing, I've read your book, and I know you say, why wasn't Dr. Fauci studying things like corn syrup, you know, like just other toxins, well, whatever about corn syrup, but other toxins in the environment.

00:38:21.820 I mean, exactly, so here's what Congress said, Congress said to EPA, and EPA is not a public health agency, so it's not part of HHS, all the other ones are NIH, CDC, and FDA, and they're all in the pocket of pharma, but EPA is in the pocket of the oil industry, but they don't care about pharma.

00:38:39.620 They said, Congress said to EPA, tell us what year the autism epidemic began, and the EPA scientists came back and said, it's a red line, 1989.

00:38:51.120 What happened in 1989, as you pointed out, we passed the Vaccine Act in 1986, we gave immunity from liability to all the companies, there was a gold rush, because suddenly the biggest cost of producing pharmaceuticals and marketing pharmaceuticals, which is downstream liabilities, had been eliminated.

00:39:09.580 They also didn't have to do upstream testing, so two of the biggest costs were gone, plus they don't have to do advertising and marketing, because the product is mandated to 76 million American children, so it's a dream product for them, and they can charge basically anything they want.

00:39:28.880 It was a cold rush, and they added all these new vaccines to the schedule, and people, when they think of vaccines, think of polio and smallpox and the miracles of eliminating those, but these were, you know, many of these diseases, diseases that you're completely unnecessary to vaccinate against, things like, that are not even casually contagious, like hepatitis B, that you get from, you know, unprotected sex with, you know, or from,

00:39:57.600 from using, from sharing needles.

00:40:02.220 Measles.

00:40:02.820 Measles.

00:40:02.840 Measles.

00:40:03.120 To a day-old baby, and yet, rotavirus, hepatitis B, all of these other, you know, so-called diseases that are just on the schedule, because the vaccine companies can make money from them.

00:40:16.860 What about measles?

00:40:19.720 Well, the MMR vaccine never had mercury in it.

00:40:24.060 Let me just tell you what happened, and I'll answer that question.

00:40:27.600 Okay.

00:40:30.120 The, because it's a complex issue, because the measles vaccine definitely eliminates measles, or, you know, or close eliminates it.

00:40:39.800 There are breakthrough cases.

00:40:42.320 First of all, there's a number of questions you have to ask.

00:40:45.660 It was measles a killer disease.

00:40:49.400 It clearly was at the beginning of the century.

00:40:51.580 In 1963, it was killing only 400 kids a year.

00:40:58.060 Mainly, they were kids who were, who had malnutrition, or some other devastating comorbidity.

00:41:05.520 A lot of them were black children in the Mississippi Delta.

00:41:10.000 This is before we had the poverty programs.

00:41:12.780 And, you know, my father went down there and found severe malnutrition, like you'd see in Africa or South Asia.

00:41:19.300 Those were the kids who were dying.

00:41:21.980 It was, the death rate was one in 500,000, so two in a million.

00:41:27.180 It was very, very small for measles.

00:41:29.680 And the measles vaccine, you know, started in 1963.

00:41:33.820 It never had thimerosal in it, because it's a live virus vaccine.

00:41:36.920 And we had, and then in 1999, CDC did a study, an internal study, because of what you said a few minutes ago.

00:41:53.080 Then many, all of a sudden, beginning in 89, you know, we went ultimately from three vaccines that I have a kid,

00:42:00.740 that I took as a kid, to the 72 doses of 16 vaccines that my children had to take.

00:42:09.900 And this began in the 90s.

00:42:12.880 And in the 90s, people started to seeing this explosion of neurological disorders.

00:42:17.440 And it wasn't just autism.

00:42:18.760 Autism went from one in 10,000, or three in 10,000, depending on what studies you follow, to one in 44 kids today.

00:42:28.180 Yep.

00:42:28.740 But not only autism, all the neurodevelopmental disorders, ADD, ADHD, speech delay, language delay, tics.

00:42:36.600 I never heard of tics when I was, you know, 11 brothers, 70 cousins, never knew anybody with tics.

00:42:43.840 Narcolepsy, ASD, and autism.

00:42:45.940 The allergic disease suddenly appeared.

00:42:48.900 Peanut, I never knew anybody with a peanut allergy.

00:42:51.300 Why do five of my seven kids have allergies?

00:42:53.400 Eczema, asthma, which we had, but it's now one in every four black children.

00:43:02.680 We never saw.

00:43:04.000 I get all that, but that doesn't prove causality.

00:43:06.700 Oh, you talk to anybody who's my age.

00:43:09.680 These are all new diseases.

00:43:10.800 We went, when Tony Fauci came into office, because this answers your previous question, why aren't we saying, kid, we are.

00:43:19.920 When Tony Fauci came into office, 6% of American children had chronic disease.

00:43:25.020 Okay, but that doesn't prove causality to work with vaccines.

00:43:28.340 I do that by 2,000, 54%.

00:43:31.300 Now, you make the point.

00:43:34.000 There are many other exposures besides vaccines.

00:43:37.560 Our kids today are swimming around in a toxic soup.

00:43:41.880 And I don't just work on vaccines.

00:43:43.660 I work, you know, I was part of the trial team in the Monsanto case.

00:43:47.980 I work on pesticides.

00:43:49.620 I work on neonicotinoids.

00:43:51.060 I work on PFOAs, PFAAs.

00:43:54.500 I was on the trial team that tried the Dark Waters case that Mark Ruff blows now in that movie.

00:44:01.520 I do EMFs, all of these different exposures that began on the same timeline.

00:44:07.960 So Phil Landrigan, who's probably the most famous toxicologist in this country, Mount Sinai in New York,

00:44:13.860 made a list of 11 potential culprits of toxics that became ubiquitous in 1989.

00:44:24.700 Following that timeline became, you have to find something that impacted every demographic in this country the same year,

00:44:33.780 which, you know, from Cubans in Biscayne Bay to Inuit in Alaska.

00:44:38.340 There's only a small number of those.

00:44:40.340 And it's very easy, so you can identify them, and he did.

00:44:45.080 And one of them, the potential, is the vaccines.

00:44:48.320 I think all of them, I think these impacts and what the science shows, all these impacts are cumulative.

00:44:54.060 And our kids today are sick because we are bombarding their immune systems with these toxics that they simply cannot handle.

00:45:02.180 Vaccines is part of that story.

00:45:03.740 And it's probably, in my view, the largest single cause, although all of them are very big.

00:45:10.640 Now, in 1999, CDC was also alarmed at the same thing that you described with the parents.

00:45:18.980 So they decided to do an internal study of their own database, which is called the Vaccine Safety Data Link.

00:45:26.440 It's the medical records, including the vaccination records, of 10 million kids from the 10 biggest HMOs.

00:45:36.500 So it's all the cumulative medical records from all those HMOs and are all housed in one place.

00:45:42.080 And they studied, they said, let's see if these mercury vaccines are causing autism.

00:45:47.360 So they looked at one vaccine, they can look at every vaccine record, and they can look at your medical claims to see if you, you know, had seizure disorders or allergies, or if you have an autism diagnosis.

00:46:01.220 They can do a cluster analysis, and they can look for associations.

00:46:06.420 They looked at the hepatitis B vaccine, which is loaded with mercury during the first 30 days of life.

00:46:13.080 The kids, they looked at kids who got it during the first 30 days.

00:46:17.440 They compared them to kids who did not get it during the first 30 days, who got it later, who didn't get it at all.

00:46:23.280 And here's what they found.

00:46:24.900 The relative risk of smoking a pack of cigarettes a day for 20 years and lung cancer is 10.

00:46:32.860 This was 11.35.

00:46:35.280 Is that because of thimerosal?

00:46:38.000 That was causing guilt from thimerosal.

00:46:39.940 And this is what the story that got me involved, because they pushed the panic button, and they had a secret meeting.

00:46:48.760 They didn't want to do it on the CDC campus because they thought it would be susceptible to freedom information requests.

00:46:55.320 So they did it in a remote Methodist retreat center on the banks of the Chattahoochee River in Norcross, Georgia, and it was called Simpsonwood.

00:47:04.780 They had a two-day meeting with 52 individuals, including all the major vaccine companies, regulatory agencies that administer vaccines, WHO, CDC, FDA, NIH, HHS, and the leaders, the leading academic vaccinators.

00:47:26.160 So the people who basically conduct clinical trials and make hundreds of millions of dollars for medical schools around this country.

00:47:34.300 And the first day, and somebody made and recorded that meeting.

00:47:41.100 We don't know why.

00:47:42.820 We don't know if they knew they were being recorded, but I got a hold of the transcripts in 2005, and it is horrific.

00:47:49.740 It's a nightmare.

00:47:51.640 Any of your listeners can go to our website, see it, Children's Health Events, and read those transcripts and make up your own mind about what happened.

00:48:00.620 And you see the panjarams of the American healthcare system, these regulators who are supposed to be protecting us.

00:48:08.220 The first day, they're looking at the science, and they are saying it's bulletproof.

00:48:14.740 We are causing autism. 0.83

00:48:17.060 I want the audience to be aware of the FDA and the National Institutes of Health, the CDC, the American Association of Pediatrics, and several other agencies have concluded there is no evidence that thimerosal causes any harm.

00:48:29.660 That there's none, that it causes any harm.

00:48:32.760 They removed it from vaccines anyway, they say, as a precautionary measure.

00:48:37.500 They also are concerned about the resurrection of measles.

00:48:42.160 In 2015, nearly 200 Americans were sickened with it, and that's a disease that we had eradicated 15 years earlier as a consequence of parents not vaccinating their kids.

00:48:50.360 As you point out, it's a disease that could be potentially deadly.

00:48:53.120 You've made this claim before about this horrific conference in which they confessed, oh, you know, it's causing autism, we've got to bury the data.

00:49:00.800 You wrote about it in a January 2011 article that was in Rolling Stone and Salon.

00:49:05.540 It's since been withdrawn by Salon altogether.

00:49:09.080 Rolling Stone had to offer a bunch of corrections.

00:49:11.220 It removed it from its website as well.

00:49:12.860 And your allegations spurred an 18-month investigation by a U.S. Senate committee that found allegations of CDC misconduct were unsubstantiated, and they concluded that there was no cover-up.

00:49:26.200 It was a two-year committee hearing by Senator Burton at the Government Oversight Committee, and he found that there was a cover-up, and that vaccines do cause autism.

00:49:37.040 So, you know, anybody can go, you know, don't trust me.

00:49:39.840 Not, listen, anything I say about the science, you shouldn't trust me.

00:49:45.120 You should go do your own research, and I'll tell you, you know, the research that I'm relying on, and you can go make up your own mind.

00:49:51.680 But you also should not trust CDC, NIH, the American Association of Pediatrics, or Academy of Pediatrics, which gets 80% of its money from the pharmaceutical industry.

00:50:03.640 FDA gets 45% of its budget from the pharmaceutical industry.

00:50:08.080 CDC spends $4.9 billion of its $12 billion budget.

00:50:12.060 I get it.

00:50:12.320 I'm not going to argue with you that those organizations are bought and paid for.

00:50:15.040 We've seen that.

00:50:16.180 But I got to ask, but let me ask you.

00:50:18.040 No, but no, but no, let me ask you.

00:50:20.400 No, let me ask you, because the parents inside those organizations vaccinate their children.

00:50:25.860 The parents who work for Pfizer stick the needle in their kids' arms.

00:50:29.620 Like, are they willingly hurting their children?

00:50:31.880 Like, why would they all be giving the MMR and the vaccines that had thimerosal in it?

00:50:38.140 You're alleging sort of a vast government conspiracy to force these vaccines on us from these health, quote-unquote, officials, who knew it was unsafe, but yet they gave it to their own kids?

00:50:48.220 Megan, go look at the movie Dope Sick. 1.00

00:50:51.920 I watched it.

00:50:53.480 You'll answer your own question.

00:50:54.900 The doctors in that movie.

00:50:56.900 That's different.

00:50:57.380 They weren't sticking their kids with opioids.

00:50:59.440 They were giving their patients and their children opioids because they believed what FDA told them.

00:51:05.140 We'll pick up the conversation in one minute.

00:51:08.300 But first, a note on the exchange we just had about that Simpsonwood conference on thimerosal.

00:51:13.360 In 2007, a U.S. Senate committee on public health did investigate allegations that this meeting established the dangers of thimerosal and that the CDC came up with a plan to cover up those dangers.

00:51:25.700 The committee found that, quote, allegations of a cover up are not substantiated.

00:51:31.700 Instead of hiding the data or restricting access to it, CDC distributed it, often to individuals who had never seen it before and solicited outside opinion regarding how to interpret it.

00:51:42.620 The transcript of these discussions was made available to the public, end quote.

00:51:48.060 The Senate report went on to conclude, quote, Simpsonwood participants generally agreed that the data set was weak.

00:51:54.540 It was difficult to assess causality and further study and investigation were warranted.

00:52:00.580 Now, the author of the original hypothesis that thimerosal might be linked to autism went on to conclude in phase two of his study that the original results being discussed at Simpsonwood could not be replicated.

00:52:13.700 By the time he reached that conclusion, he had begun working for GlaxoSmithKline, which makes vaccines.

00:52:20.260 But the Senate committee believed that his findings were in earnest.

00:52:25.500 Also, when Robert made reference in our conversation to Senator Burton, having concluded that there was a cover up, he was actually referring to former Congressman Dan Burton.

00:52:33.980 Burton did hold many hearings in Congress over this issue because he firmly believes that thimerosal contributed to his grandson's autism.

00:52:41.200 We'll be right back.

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00:53:50.900 What I would say is there's a small group, and I can tell you the names of the people within CDC, within FDA, with NIH, who know what they're doing and are doing in anybody.

00:54:08.700 But it's a small group, but everybody else, because of the way the medical system works, gets subsumed in that orthodoxy.

00:54:16.880 And it's very much the way that, you know, the Catholic Church reacted to the pedophile scandal. 0.62

00:54:23.060 There was only a handful of priests, relatively, who were raping children, and nine out of ten priests who weren't.

00:54:31.700 But all of them, the priests among seniors, the bishops, the archbishops, all the way up to the Vatican, became trapped in this orthodoxy, subsumed in this orthodoxy that we need, that this institution is so important to children, to peace, to all of these other good things.

00:54:51.580 That the people who are getting injured are collateral damage.

00:54:56.620 How does it happen?

00:54:57.880 And it's exactly the phenomenon that you're talking about.

00:55:01.220 And I think they do a really good job in the movie Dope Sick of showing how good, idealistic, high-minded, patient-oriented doctors ended up giving this poison to their patients.

00:55:17.160 I understand. I got all that.

00:55:19.720 Because they believe the regulators.

00:55:22.140 And, you know, Americans are idealistic.

00:55:23.460 No, I got all that.

00:55:24.240 I mean, I don't even think you have to go to Dope Sick.

00:55:25.960 I don't even think that's your best example.

00:55:27.660 I think you're better off.

00:55:28.440 Okay, and you tell me because.

00:55:29.500 Yeah, no, I think that what's happened during COVID with all these doctors and all these organizations writing articles about how masks are the key to our safety, which completely fell apart.

00:55:39.340 And all the medical professionals who wrote that this 100% did not begin in a lab, but it came from, you know, some animal source, which we've never found despite testing 80,000 animals.

00:55:49.980 Right?

00:55:50.180 Well, how did Fauci get all the doctors to go along with that?

00:55:52.640 He's got a lot of influence.

00:55:53.700 I get it.

00:55:54.300 I get your point.

00:55:55.280 However, the reality is the studies on this saying there is no link between the vaccines and autism, any of, you know, from the MMR or otherwise, come not just from the United States.

00:56:06.280 They come from the UK.

00:56:07.180 They come from Canada.

00:56:08.000 They come from Denmark.

00:56:09.100 They do come from the CDC.

00:56:10.360 They come from independent physicians.

00:56:11.400 They come from the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia.

00:56:13.800 I could go on.

00:56:15.000 It's a worldwide conspiracy to stick needles in the arms of babies, irrespective of the catastrophic damage we could be causing to them cognitively.

00:56:23.280 And let me tell you what the National Academy of Sciences and the Institute of Medicine say.

00:56:31.280 Hey, you know, pull off in all those groups that you talk about have studied two things.

00:56:37.440 One vaccine, which is the MMR vaccine.

00:56:40.300 They've only done one kind of study.

00:56:42.420 According to you, that's problematic, too.

00:56:44.000 They've done epidemiological studies, which are very easy to fix.

00:56:48.060 They don't do bench trials.

00:56:49.460 They don't do animal trials.

00:56:52.520 And they've studied one ingredient in my Marisol.

00:56:55.000 But when we sued them, they admitted that all the vaccines that are given during the first six months of life, the ones that are the only ones that could be related to birth autism, that they've never studied a single one of them.

00:57:14.860 So you show me a study of the MMR vaccine, the DTP vaccine, the Hib vaccine, and I'll concede to you.

00:57:22.800 You cannot show me those studies.

00:57:24.660 You can only show me the one study and one kind of study, which is the MMR, and they deliberately restrict it.

00:57:31.560 And by the way, those people, all those studies that you're talking about from all over the world, look who funded them.

00:57:37.820 Two groups or three groups, Welcome Trust, which is GlaxoSmithKline, the pharmaceutical industry, or NIH, they're being funded by people who are funding them in order to cover up the association.

00:57:56.200 And you can easily design, particularly epidemiological studies, you can conceal the impact to small subgroups of vulnerable populations.

00:58:06.800 And that is epidemiology 101.

00:58:11.280 Everybody knows that.

00:58:12.620 And that's why they do those studies, and they don't do other studies.

00:58:15.920 I mean, I understand.

00:58:17.120 I get what you're saying.

00:58:18.920 I also understand that many medical professionals, my own on up, will say that the risk of flu to children is far more significant and dangerous than the risk from any minuscule trace of thimerosal in the vaccine.

00:58:34.620 And you can also get the vaccine without thimerosal in it now.

00:58:39.100 And so unfortunately, the people who get the ones without thimerosal are wealthy people who know to ask the questions that thimerosal vaccines are sent to poor black neighborhoods where, you know, there's no political power. 0.52

00:58:53.300 There's no power for them to ask or to object or to get an alternative.

00:58:57.480 And they're sent to 161 million children in Africa annually.

00:59:03.900 So this is a, this is, you know, a, an attack on the poor.

00:59:08.960 And, you know, listen, I just want to point something out that people should understand.

00:59:15.820 When you hear that the science says this because CDC says it or because my doctor says it or because FDA says it, that is a debating technique that is known as a logical fallacy.

00:59:31.780 It's specifically known as appeals to authority.

00:59:35.600 Oh, instead of showing me the scientific study, which you cannot show me, that shows that flu vaccines save more lives than they cost.

00:59:45.400 You cannot show me a study that shows that.

00:59:47.900 I can show you many studies and I've written about this.

00:59:51.560 It is on our website.

00:59:53.080 It's in the Dear Sanjay Gupta letter.

00:59:54.840 You can go through each of those studies and you can link to this study in preeminent journals by independent scientists, universities, research centers all over the world.

01:00:07.460 You cannot show me a study that says, that shows that the flu vaccine actually averts more problems than it causes.

01:00:15.800 You cannot show me that study.

01:00:17.220 You show me that study, then I will walk away from that issue.

01:00:20.800 I know, but every time I say, and listen, I understand I've ceded to you the point that the CDC is not necessarily a public health organization, but that doesn't mean that everything they've ever said is wrong and that we get to discard every single study that they've done.

01:00:35.020 You know, there are hundreds of millions of people who have gotten these vaccines who are perfectly healthy, perfectly healthy in part thanks to the vaccines.

01:00:43.240 They're not walking around with measles.

01:00:44.600 They're not walking around with flu.

01:00:45.800 They're not walking around with rubella.

01:00:47.200 They don't have hep B.

01:00:48.320 Those are good things.

01:00:49.220 The vaccines are not all bad just because we have suspicions about some of them.

01:00:52.620 And in particular, the COVID vaccine, it doesn't mean we can.

01:00:55.600 And because you started that you started this, Bobby, by saying I am not anti-vax.

01:00:59.820 You started it by saying I'm not.

01:01:01.360 And then you cited as evidence of that, the fact that you had all of your.

01:01:05.040 Well, let me finish.

01:01:05.900 You cited as evidence of that, that you had all of your children vaccinated.

01:01:08.800 And then when I said, well, then if you have all these concerns, why did you have your children vaccinated?

01:01:12.320 And you said, well, I didn't know any of this back then.

01:01:13.780 So the fact that you had your children vaccinated does not suggest you are not anti-vax.

01:01:19.200 And listening to you now for an hour, you sound very anti-vax to me.

01:01:23.740 Well, let me say this.

01:01:26.600 Here's my bottom line.

01:01:29.360 Show me or call all of these guys who you talk to.

01:01:32.960 I'm, you know, Paul Offit and the other people and ask them to show you a scientific study for each vaccine that shows that this vaccine is averting for harm and it's causing.

01:01:47.080 That's all I ask for that.

01:01:48.720 They say the studies show no linkage of harm.

01:01:51.500 That's what they say.

01:01:52.120 They show no linkage between autism and the vaccines or any other.

01:01:55.420 Look at the health outcome.

01:01:58.440 OK, let me.

01:01:59.100 Can I give you an example?

01:02:00.640 Well, I really kind of want to move on to the Fauci book.

01:02:02.980 So, I mean, I think the audience.

01:02:04.280 Well, listen, listen, I think the audience has a feel for your position and that of the CDC and the other authorities.

01:02:09.920 They can make up their mind at this point.

01:02:11.280 Let's advance the discussion.

01:02:12.260 OK, with respect to you.

01:02:14.480 Then they could read the book and they should read both of your books.

01:02:18.500 Up next, Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

01:02:20.500 on Dr. Fauci, Bill Gates, and whether he thinks the covid pandemic was fake.

01:02:26.740 His answer might surprise you next.

01:02:32.600 Next up in our discussion, Dr. Anthony Fauci.

01:02:38.060 In his book, Robert writes several chapters about Dr. Fauci's finances.

01:02:42.760 He's not the only person who has done deep dives on this.

01:02:45.000 Recently, former Forbes reporter Adam Andrzejewski wrote several articles on all the money Dr.

01:02:51.520 Fauci has made while working for us, the U.S.

01:02:54.440 government.

01:02:55.160 We fund him and them from pay raises and big bonuses to royalties and investments.

01:03:01.380 All added up, he reports it's several million dollars Dr.

01:03:05.720 Fauci has received in return for that reporting.

01:03:09.560 Adam says he was fired by Forbes.

01:03:12.140 But Robert Kennedy says he does not think Fauci's main focus is money.

01:03:17.900 So I asked him, what is it?

01:03:20.160 I would characterize Anthony Fauci as kind of the preeminent architect of agency capture of the transfer of NIAID and also its parent agency NIH from a public health agency to an agency that is primarily concerned with drug promotion,

01:03:46.220 with drug development and drug promotion and partnering with the pharmaceutical industry on profit making enterprises.

01:03:53.860 Does he personally make a profit through this?

01:03:58.580 I would say that that is the least important factor in in this, you know, in this problem.

01:04:10.460 What's his motivation?

01:04:12.060 Legally, he can make money and he does.

01:04:14.880 We know at least one patent he has.

01:04:17.580 Any product that is developed by NIAID, anybody who works on that product that he designates can get a patent margin rights on that product and entitle them under the federal rules now to collect $150,000 a year for royalty for life.

01:04:39.860 So he has four of his top employees who each have margin rights, patent rights, royalty rights, or the Moderna vaccine because we paid for it.

01:04:49.900 We put a U.S. taxpayer through Fauci put in $1.5 billion, now $2.5 billion to develop that vaccine.

01:04:58.800 NIH claims half of the vaccine, half of the vaccine, so it stands to make billions and billions of dollars, the agency, but also high-level individuals, influential individuals in the agency, people who are very loyal to Tony Fauci,

01:05:14.240 can get awarded through Fauci the rights to collect lifetime royalties on those products.

01:05:24.260 And they make hundreds and hundreds of products.

01:05:27.720 They develop hundreds and hundreds of products, and all of those are potential profit-making enterprises for people, high-level people within NIH.

01:05:39.080 But you don't seem to be alleging that that's really his motivation.

01:05:43.360 No, I don't think that's his motivation.

01:05:44.640 Is it power?

01:05:45.380 Like, what's the motivation?

01:05:46.360 Power?

01:05:48.120 I think it's power, yeah.

01:05:50.420 You know what, Megan, one of the things I really try to do in the book is to never look into his head,

01:05:57.880 and never bore Bill Gates' head or any of the other people in the book and say,

01:06:01.820 this is why they're doing it, because I don't know.

01:06:03.880 I don't know what motivates them.

01:06:05.200 My job is to document their conduct, and if you look at his conduct time after time after time,

01:06:13.820 he does things that are consistent with making profits for his partners, which are these pharmaceutical companies,

01:06:24.120 and that even at the direct and clear expense of public health.

01:06:30.320 Can you talk about his relationship with Bill Gates? 0.56

01:06:33.480 Because I'll tell you, on the lunatic fringe, with respect to the lunatic fringe, 0.61

01:06:37.920 there literally are people in the country who think that if you get the COVID vaccine,

01:06:41.600 they're injecting a little bot in your arm that Bill Gates created that's going to monitor you

01:06:46.440 and report information back on you to Bill Gates.

01:06:49.460 Now, that's crazy town.

01:06:51.060 But that's not to say that Bill Gates has absolutely no connection, certainly, to vaccines, Big Pharma, or Anthony Fauci.

01:06:59.320 So can you talk about that relationship between the two of them?

01:07:03.480 And by the way, the idea that these monitoring chips are in the vaccines, I have never promoted that and don't believe that to be true.

01:07:15.580 But one of the stories I tell in my book is that WHO, with Gates' influence, support, participation,

01:07:31.300 administered a million vaccines to Kenyan women that designed to sterilize them without their knowledge and against their will.

01:07:41.380 But pretending it was a tetanus program, but included in the tetanus vaccines without anybody knowing,

01:07:50.720 human gonadotrophic hormones, which interact with tetanus toxoids as essentially a chemical castration drug for women.

01:07:59.720 And he gave that to WHO, gave that to at least a million women in Kenya.

01:08:08.240 And they had similar programs in Nicaragua and Mexico and the Philippines, which clearly they were doing that,

01:08:15.940 although we don't have the vials.

01:08:17.740 We got the vials from Kenya, so we know what they were doing, and they've admitted it.

01:08:21.320 They've admitted, I mean, no, they've admitted that they secretly sterilized African women against their will and without their knowledge.

01:08:30.680 Here's, and I would urge you to read this chapter in my book.

01:08:34.620 So they've admitted that there was human gonadotrophic hormone in that vaccine, which there's no reason it should have been,

01:08:44.600 and then admitted that there were.

01:08:46.440 But if you read my book, you'll read that for 20 years, WHO has been spending tens of millions of dollars

01:08:58.540 developing these sterilization drugs to surreptitiously give women.

01:09:04.140 Now, you know, this sounds paranoid, but they've published papers on it.

01:09:08.940 Well, I mean, as you've already established, that doesn't mean anything.

01:09:13.940 Yeah. No, no.

01:09:15.720 I'm saying WHO has published, has paid researchers to find ways to chemically castrate women. 0.98

01:09:25.600 Against their will and without their knowledge.

01:09:27.500 Well, we don't know.

01:09:31.340 Well, that's a relevant factor.

01:09:33.740 Some women get an IUD put in, some women get their tubes dyed. 1.00

01:09:36.700 Of course, all I can tell you is, from the papers, it's just saying,

01:09:41.700 these are studies that are developing drugs.

01:09:45.040 They're saying, here's how this works, and we test it on people, and it works.

01:09:49.700 And then when it came time for them to give, to use those products that WHO has spent all those years developing,

01:09:57.860 they gave it to a million women surreptitiously without their knowledge. 1.00

01:10:02.060 So if the papers don't say, here's what we're going to do, we're going to sneak up on them and ambush them.

01:10:09.840 The papers say, here's how you develop this vaccine, and you hide it in a tetanus vaccine.

01:10:16.380 And then when it actually came time for them to do the program, they did not tell the women.

01:10:24.220 And they were caught by the Catholic Medical Association of Kenya, who noticed that, first of all,

01:10:34.500 usually when you get a tetanus vaccine, you only give one dose, and it's good for 10 years.

01:10:39.100 But they were told to give five doses in six months, which made the doctors, the Catholic Medical Association, say,

01:10:46.020 something's wrong here.

01:10:48.220 And it was only given to women of childbearing years, women from 14 years old to, I think, 34 years old,

01:10:55.900 which was weird because men also get tetanus.

01:10:59.860 Third, there was no tetanus outbreak at that time.

01:11:03.180 That's when the Catholic Doctors Association got a hold of the vials, and they tested them in half a dozen different labs.

01:11:11.320 And they all came back, or most of them, not all of them, but most of them came back and said, yeah, they contain this drug.

01:11:18.660 Look, I understand, and I have read your book, and I understand there are plenty of allegations in there

01:11:23.060 speaking about what Bill Gates has done in Africa and the number of people who have been hurt or killed

01:11:28.380 by experimental vaccines that he's behind.

01:11:33.440 What I also understand is most of the experts who look at this and work with the Gates Foundation

01:11:38.200 or with Bill Gates say he's saved millions of lives with the vaccines that he's pushed.

01:11:42.520 Let's put it in context.

01:11:44.320 He has been testing medicines in Africa, sometimes with success and sometimes not,

01:11:49.760 in an effort to improve public health over there. 0.93

01:11:52.340 This is not, there's no evidence he's some madman who's out there on a quest to kill women, African or otherwise. 0.84

01:11:58.460 You can attack me personally, which is what they do, or ignore the book,

01:12:01.760 but nobody has found a single factual error in my book.

01:12:06.140 The book is 230,000 years of words.

01:12:09.060 It has 2,200 footnotes.

01:12:11.740 Every factual assertion is cited and sourced to peer-reviewed publications or to government databases.

01:12:20.020 And, you know, if they want it, if they really believe that I was saying something that was untrue,

01:12:24.940 why not come out and say what it is?

01:12:28.000 And nobody's done that yet.

01:12:29.300 The WHO and Kenyan authorities have both said that the claim about sterilizing Kenyan women

01:12:35.320 using the tetanus vaccine is incorrect, that it's not fact-based,

01:12:40.360 and the UN Health Agency says the vaccine is safe, okay, for the record.

01:12:44.300 The World Health Organization has dismissed that the presence of HCG in the vaccine is a problem.

01:12:50.040 They've confirmed that it's safe.

01:12:51.840 I understand you reject that, but this is what they say.

01:12:53.860 They say the vaccine has been used in 50...

01:12:56.300 Let me just finish.

01:12:58.240 They say, quote,

01:12:59.200 the vaccine has been used in 52 countries to immunize 130 million women to protect them and

01:13:04.080 their newborn babies from tetanus.

01:13:05.720 This is from WHO in November 2014.

01:13:08.040 There is no HCG hormone in tetanus toxoid vaccines.

01:13:12.180 And they go on to say that the Kenyan health authorities, they say the allegations that describe

01:13:16.760 this is a problematic or a deadly vaccine, are baseless, not backed by science, scientific evidence,

01:13:24.000 and ill-intended to cause fear and despondency among Kenyans in the uptake of much-needed essential

01:13:28.880 health services.

01:13:30.700 Go ahead.

01:13:31.280 Have they explained why the HGH was in the vaccine?

01:13:37.020 There's no reason to put it in the vaccine.

01:13:39.440 Initially, they said it's not in there.

01:13:41.600 And now they're saying in the current ones, it's not in.

01:13:45.000 But they admitted that it was in the ones that the Catholic Doctors Associations tested.

01:13:49.960 And they could not.

01:13:50.700 They said it's in there, but it wasn't put in there to sterilize women. 0.94

01:13:54.720 And it's not in large enough ones.

01:13:57.200 And they say it's safe.

01:13:58.200 I mean, and they say that the vaccines are safe and that they're there to protect women 0.52

01:14:02.520 and their newborn babies from tetanus.

01:14:04.700 So, I mean, look, we're out on a thin read talking about the intentional sterilization

01:14:09.360 of women in Africa without their consent or knowledge.

01:14:12.380 The evidence is very well documented.

01:14:15.420 You're suggesting there was an intention to sterilize women without their consent.

01:14:18.840 They spent 20 years studying the inclusion of HGH and tetanus vaccines.

01:14:24.720 It's a way to sterilize women. 1.00

01:14:27.280 Then they included HGH in a tetanus vaccine program that they gave to a million women without

01:14:32.680 telling.

01:14:33.540 Oh, you know, you can connect whatever dots you need to or not.

01:14:38.520 Let's move forward.

01:14:40.460 You're one of your principal beefs against Fauci is the way he handled the AIDS epidemic,

01:14:45.480 which is something he's been universally lauded for.

01:14:48.360 And we've had folks come on the show and raise issues before about how he how he handled in

01:14:55.500 particular the drug AZT and and draw parallels between his fealty to that drug above all other

01:15:05.840 treatments back in the 80s when treating HIV and his fealty to the covid vaccine at the expense

01:15:13.420 of all other treatments in the past two years.

01:15:16.120 So what is what does that tell us about Dr. Anthony Fauci?

01:15:23.700 Well, again, I think it it speaks for itself.

01:15:27.560 You know, AZT was horrendously toxic.

01:15:29.880 It was regarded it was developed originally by the National Cancer Institute as a chemotherapy

01:15:37.300 drug.

01:15:38.160 And it was regarded it killed all the rats when they gave it to them.

01:15:42.220 So, you know, chemotherapy drugs will kill you.

01:15:45.340 Virtually 100 percent of them are going to kill you.

01:15:47.620 They're designed to kill human cellular tissue.

01:15:51.220 The hope is.

01:15:53.160 It will kill the tumor tissue before they kill the rest of you.

01:15:57.040 And so when you give somebody a chemotherapy drug, it's only given for a couple of weeks.

01:16:02.400 And then, you know, they look at what's happened to the tumor and what's happening to you.

01:16:08.300 And but this drug was regarded as so horrendously toxic that that they threw it on the junk pile

01:16:17.820 and they didn't even patent it.

01:16:19.680 And then, you know, when AIDS came along, of course, what they do when they find a new virus

01:16:25.040 is they take all of these different compounds and they have petri dishes full of the virus

01:16:31.640 of the live colonies.

01:16:33.460 And then they put the you know, they put a dropper of toxic compound on to the petri dish

01:16:39.600 and see if it kills the virus.

01:16:40.840 If it kills the virus, they now have an antiviral drug, but they also have to find out whether

01:16:46.720 it kills the human.

01:16:49.800 And, you know, and with the AZT or the rats, the AZT was again, it was regarded as so too

01:16:57.920 toxic to use for a two week course for chemotherapy.

01:17:01.020 And GlaxoSmithKline found that it did kill HIV virus.

01:17:08.340 And so they, you know, spearheaded this after they were called borrows welcome at that time.

01:17:14.660 They spearheaded this effort to to get it approved.

01:17:19.180 And Tony Fauci, because he did not know at that point, NIAID had never developed the drug.

01:17:26.860 But it won this, it won jurisdiction over HIV, over AIDS.

01:17:34.000 Originally, the National Cancer Institute, which knows how to develop drugs, that's what

01:17:38.080 they do.

01:17:39.520 They inherited AIDS because the initial signal for AIDS was Kapohosy Sarcoma, which is a

01:17:46.280 cancer.

01:17:46.780 So into the National Cancer Institute.

01:17:48.560 But then when Luke Montagnier said, wait a minute, we found HIV viruses and 47% of the

01:17:55.360 men who have AIDS, maybe the virus is causing the AIDS.

01:17:59.720 Tony Fauci used that to say, this is an infectious disease.

01:18:05.700 It's not a, it's not being caused by toxics.

01:18:09.060 It's an infectious disease.

01:18:10.400 And therefore, it should come to NIAID, National Institute for Allergic Infectious Diseases.

01:18:16.500 He didn't, unlike National Cancer Institute, he did not know how to develop a drug.

01:18:20.920 So it made him very dependent on GlaxoSmithKline.

01:18:24.540 And that really was the beginning of his permanent association with drug companies.

01:18:30.180 He needed to develop a drug fast.

01:18:34.220 He put GlaxoSmithKline on employees and loyalists on all of the committees that approved new drugs

01:18:45.860 or experimental drugs.

01:18:46.980 And they kept everything out of the competition except for their drug.

01:18:51.240 And then they rushed it through.

01:18:52.880 And Tony Fauci helped them rush it through.

01:18:55.860 They used a number of fraudulent tricks to get the drug approved.

01:19:00.780 The drug was killing it.

01:19:01.800 AZT was killing everybody who took it in the study group.

01:19:05.280 And what Fauci did and Burroughs Welcome did is they started giving the people who they're

01:19:12.960 giving AZT, they started giving them blood transfusions to keep them alive.

01:19:18.320 And when you give somebody a blood transfusion, it makes them, when their body's filled with

01:19:23.120 toxic chemicals, it makes them healthier and longer lived.

01:19:26.320 And the only reason those people survived a six-week drug trial was because they were getting

01:19:33.760 these transfusions.

01:19:35.880 And then he got the drug approved on very, very little evidence and clear, clear safety

01:19:46.040 signals.

01:19:46.980 And that drug, according to critics, killed 330,000 people over the next 10 years.

01:19:54.240 So by the time we get to more present day, Anthony Fauci, you write in the book that he

01:19:59.500 kind of went not underground, but he kind of got quieter and left the national scene for

01:20:05.160 a number of years and was running this organization and became a kingmaker and controlled a bunch of

01:20:10.540 money.

01:20:11.460 And, you know, there was utter fealty to him, as there still is in this public health

01:20:14.880 industry.

01:20:16.600 So then you write that there, you know, we had a couple of not real pandemics, but we

01:20:22.440 had other problems with, you know, bird flu and some other things and earlier SARS

01:20:28.040 issues and that he sees opportunity when, when those things happen.

01:20:32.740 He sees an opportunity to what, because you, you argue that he sort of saw the ultimate

01:20:37.920 opportunity with COVID-19.

01:20:40.600 Oh, um, yeah.

01:20:43.160 And I, you know, what, one of the things I talk about is the history of both CDC and NIAID

01:20:49.800 by the middle of the 20th century, epidemic infectious diseases, death, mortalities from

01:20:59.020 infectious disease that essentially disappeared.

01:21:01.200 And it is, it disappeared, not because of vaccines as it's now claimed, it disappeared because of

01:21:10.820 primarily because of nutrition, better nutrition, um, better sanitation, chlorinated water, electric

01:21:16.760 refrigerators, road systems, uh, reductions in overcrowding.

01:21:20.500 And, and I'm, the reason I say this is not that you should believe me, but the CDC studied

01:21:29.740 this question in the year 2000, along with, um, with Johns Hopkins.

01:21:36.320 And they, they looked at the question at the claim that vaccines had something to do with

01:21:41.600 the reduction, this profound reduction, an 80% reduction in mortalities.

01:21:46.700 Um, infectious diseases since the beginning of the 20th century, and the scientists from

01:21:53.300 CDC, and you can read this study and Johns Hopkins, you can read this study and pediatrics,

01:21:59.520 and it's called a Geyer, G-Y-E-R 2000, a Geyer et al.

01:22:04.840 2000.

01:22:06.460 What they concluded is that vaccines had practically, had virtually nothing to do with this profound

01:22:11.960 reduction in mortality from, from infectious diseases.

01:22:15.480 The disease were disappearing, the, the, not the disease themselves, people were still 0.97

01:22:20.080 getting measles, they just weren't dying from it.

01:22:23.180 Um, but the mortalities had disappeared because of these engineering improvements.

01:22:28.860 And what was happening at CDC and NIAID is they were losing relevance because very small

01:22:36.240 numbers of Americans were dying from infectious disease.

01:22:38.860 Um, and the Reagan administration and its budget director in 1982, David Stockman, um, were actually

01:22:47.760 publicly saying that we should abolish CDC.

01:22:51.640 And, you know, as I point out the book, there was memos going around saying we need to figure

01:22:58.020 out infectious diseases to make ourselves relevant again.

01:23:01.100 Um, and so, you know, what I show is that there's a series of fake pandemics that were done in

01:23:09.160 1976, right after Tony Fauci came to NIAID.

01:23:13.100 Um, there was a, uh, swine flu epidemic, another, a bird flu epidemic that was fake in 2005.

01:23:21.500 I think only one person died.

01:23:24.080 There was a fake swine flu epidemic in 2009.

01:23:28.380 Each time they gave the vaccine companies immunity from liability and they sold, you know, tens of

01:23:36.420 millions of dollars worth of vaccine, unnecessary vaccines.

01:23:39.460 Many of them caused profound impacts.

01:23:42.460 And then the Zika pandemic was a fake pandemic. 0.82

01:23:46.200 There was, you know, Tony Fauci was claiming that Zika caused microcephaly, which is a smaller

01:23:53.740 head.

01:23:54.540 Any alarm, you know, cause panic around the country.

01:23:57.260 People were terrified.

01:23:58.300 They were advising women not to get pregnant.

01:24:01.300 Zika was coming to America. 1.00

01:24:02.980 Uh, one, somebody from his agency actually made a March madness chart of all the fact of all

01:24:11.100 the phony pandemics that he's been drumming up over the years.

01:24:16.680 And of the trend, the, the triumph on his COVID on that.

01:24:21.000 Then I reprint that in my book and his signature is at the bottom of the page.

01:24:25.880 Oh, you know, that was, it's a, um, it's something that they've done again and again and again

01:24:32.960 over time that it may makes, um, that agency relevant.

01:24:39.300 Okay.

01:24:39.840 So you, you don't, well, you tell me is, was the COVID-19 pandemic fake?

01:24:47.080 What do you mean fake?

01:24:48.240 It was, there were people dying of COVID-19 all over the world.

01:24:51.400 It was a pandemic.

01:24:52.580 It was a genuine pandemic.

01:24:53.940 Okay.

01:24:54.540 That's what I'm going for.

01:24:55.420 Cause you say these other ones were made up and this one, you know, we've got upwards

01:24:59.380 of five, 6 million people dead.

01:25:01.500 So you, you agree this one was real and we needed somebody to manage it.

01:25:06.460 But the question is whether he was the man for the job.

01:25:10.240 We'll continue our discussion with Robert next, but first wanted to let you know that we did

01:25:14.200 reach out to the Bill Gates foundation regarding the claim that their vaccine efforts led to

01:25:18.940 women being chemically castrated.

01:25:21.440 Their response to us was quote, these claims are false and quote, we'll be right back.

01:25:32.720 Next up in the discussion, we talk about how Dr.

01:25:35.060 Fauci and other public health leaders have misled the public about the origins of this

01:25:39.060 pandemic.

01:25:39.480 You will hear Robert reference Dr.

01:25:41.760 Ralph Barrack and his lab at UNC Chapel Hill.

01:25:44.880 He says Barrack had an issue with creatures escaping from his lab and people knew it.

01:25:49.080 And according to a 2020 pro publica article, that's true.

01:25:52.700 Kennedy also claims here that the United States agency for international development or USAID

01:25:58.340 is actually a front for the CIA.

01:26:01.180 According to the New York times, that's true.

01:26:03.660 The organization was quote at times used as a CIA front in the past.

01:26:09.160 And Dr.

01:26:09.520 Fauci once getting a 68 percent pay raise, you'll hear that too.

01:26:12.960 That's correct as well.

01:26:14.720 But it was for bio defense and not for bio weapons work, as Kennedy is about to claim here.

01:26:22.600 And those two things, according to our experts, are not one in the same.

01:26:27.360 All right.

01:26:27.640 Back to the conversation.

01:26:29.420 I have another book about to come out called Wuhan Coverup.

01:26:33.760 And it shows, you know, it shows that Dr.

01:26:41.220 Fauci, along with other people with DITRA, with the Defense Threat Production Agency, with

01:26:46.560 the CIA through USAID, was pumping hundreds of millions of dollars into the enterprise to

01:26:53.840 develop pandemic superbugs that could cause pandemics.

01:26:58.840 And they were keeping them in areas that they all knew they were certain to escape.

01:27:07.420 So, you know, and there's memo after memo after memo that says that Wuhan lab is, you know,

01:27:14.300 is a place where, first of all, the bugs were escaping from all their labs at Galveston,

01:27:21.100 at North Carolina.

01:27:21.800 I mean, I think his biggest fundee, Ralph Baric, had eight or 10 escapes.

01:27:28.160 And Fauci gave him 147 grants, separate grants, tens of millions of hundreds of millions of

01:27:34.240 dollars.

01:27:35.340 Why?

01:27:35.880 Right.

01:27:36.120 Why is he doing that when this guy can't keep the bugs contained?

01:27:39.680 I'll tell you why he was trying.

01:27:41.200 I mean, I can explain.

01:27:43.840 Again, I can explain the chronology and I can explain some of the possible motivations.

01:27:49.180 We had signed, Nixon had signed the Biological Weapons Convention in 1972 that made it illegal

01:27:57.240 to handle, store, or develop any kind of biological weapons.

01:28:03.940 But there was a loophole in it.

01:28:05.660 And the loophole said, if it's a dual use research, you can do that.

01:28:11.400 Meaning if it's defensive.

01:28:12.900 So a lot of the research that you use to develop bioweapons is identical to the research that

01:28:19.720 you use to develop a vaccine, or it can be.

01:28:24.460 And so the Pentagon wanted to start doing this kind of research, but it was worried that the

01:28:31.060 public would not believe that the Pentagon was doing all of this bioweapons research in

01:28:37.080 order to develop vaccines.

01:28:38.380 It just didn't seem plausible.

01:28:41.100 So they outspersed it to Tony Fauci and they gave him a 68% raise, which is one of the

01:28:47.240 reasons today he is the highest paid person in the history of the federal government.

01:28:52.020 He makes $434,000 a year and the president only makes $400,000.

01:28:58.360 So he gets more than the president or the vice president.

01:29:00.440 And a lot of that is money that's coming from his military weapon, bioweapons function.

01:29:07.760 Yes.

01:29:08.200 Oh, he began, they began pumping 1.7 billion into, he already has a $6.1 billion budget.

01:29:15.280 On top of that, they gave him 1.7 billion to begin developing bioweapons.

01:29:20.720 That is now at 2.2 billion a year.

01:29:22.900 And he then distributes that to different labs, you know, around the country.

01:29:29.500 And in 2014, three of the bugs escaped.

01:29:34.500 Three bugs from U.S. labs escaped.

01:29:36.760 Dangerous blood bugs were found, you know, in very, very dangerous places, including smallpox.

01:29:43.060 And 300 leading bioweapons experts, including Mark Lipsitch of Harvard and Richard Ebright from

01:29:54.400 Rutgers, were kind of the leading voices in that space, signed a petition, 300 people,

01:30:02.660 to Obama, asking Obama to shut down Tony Fauci's experiments because he was going, because they

01:30:11.300 were feared that he would release a pandemic.

01:30:15.380 And Tony, and the Obama administration issued a cease and desist order to Tony Fauci.

01:30:23.080 He defied the order.

01:30:25.340 And he continued doing the experiments at Ralph Baric's labs, which were the worst experiments,

01:30:32.900 because he was developing, he was engineering these gain-of-function bugs in ways nobody had

01:30:38.920 ever devised before.

01:30:40.140 But he moved a lot of his operations to Wuhan, where they would be out of sight of the White 1.00

01:30:45.520 House.

01:30:47.100 And he laundered the money through this, you know, zoologist called Peter Dezak.

01:30:52.300 Yeah, yeah.

01:30:53.160 Our audience knows him.

01:30:54.700 And they, but at the same time, he was giving millions of dollars every year, but the big

01:31:02.240 money was coming from USAID, which is, you know, a well-known as a CIA front group, and

01:31:11.560 from Deetra, the defense at production agency, as well as millions of dollars from BARDA and

01:31:17.960 ARPA, which are all connected to the U.S. military.

01:31:20.920 And they were all doing this.

01:31:22.000 Just to pause and interject, that's backed up by the fact that, you know, thankfully now

01:31:26.040 we've seen, thanks to The Intercept and some other folks who have gotten FOIA requests

01:31:29.820 and information, that this EcoHealth Alliance was trying to hit up Anthony Fauci for money

01:31:34.740 for gain-of-function.

01:31:36.100 And when they couldn't get it directly, they went to DARPA.

01:31:39.160 They went to the defense agency saying, how about from you?

01:31:41.980 All that's been out now.

01:31:43.100 So there's proof of everything you're saying.

01:31:45.760 Keep going.

01:31:46.080 Yeah, so then they began, you know, the Chinese were already doing these kind of studies.

01:31:57.520 And they, Fauci had been doing them since 2002.

01:32:01.960 He had funded a study by a scientist called Kuo, where they had taken a mouse virus and made 0.99

01:32:10.820 it so it could not infect mice, but it would infect and kill cats.

01:32:15.640 It was like, it was a gift to the mouse community.

01:32:19.720 But in doing that, he had proven that you could do these cross, engineer these cross,

01:32:26.500 these transmission, and people were really freaked out about it.

01:32:30.080 And they did a lot of other sketchy experiments.

01:32:32.540 He ended up in China.

01:32:34.540 The Chinese government, what, you know, the U.S. government was saying, we're not really

01:32:39.800 doing weapons development.

01:32:42.260 We're really doing vaccine development.

01:32:44.660 And the lead scientist was Xing Li-ji, who was called the Bat Lady. 0.71

01:32:52.740 And Ralph Baric, who is Fauci's favorite funder from the University of North Carolina,

01:32:59.700 started exchanging examples with her of spike proteins and teaching her and working with

01:33:05.940 her about how to take the spike protein, how to remove the spike protein that affected

01:33:13.300 rat bats and build a spike protein that had this fur and cleave site that could attach to

01:33:21.520 human lungs.

01:33:22.160 And then they tested it.

01:33:23.680 They were breeding mice, humanized mice that had human lungs.

01:33:29.460 And they give it to the mice, not only to see if they could kill the mice, but also to see if they

01:33:35.360 could get the mice to cough and infect each other.

01:33:39.200 And they succeeded in doing that.

01:33:40.960 And then he did something, you know, but Tony Fauci can still say, what I'm doing is for medical

01:33:48.980 purposes, we're developing these things and then we're going to develop the fence against them.

01:33:54.160 He funded one study that put the light on all of that.

01:33:58.260 He funded Ralph Baric to develop a technique called seamless ligation.

01:34:03.780 And that is a technique for hiding the engineering project.

01:34:10.960 So you could normally, when you do that kind of engineering, you can see it and you can say

01:34:17.720 that bug was created in a lab.

01:34:20.560 He developed a way of hiding all traces that was developed.

01:34:25.180 And he taught that to the Chinese scientists, to Xing Liji.

01:34:30.200 And that, you know, there is no public health.

01:34:34.020 It is the opposite of what you would do if you are interested in public health.

01:34:39.540 It is the opposite.

01:34:40.600 If you are interested in public health, you would make sure that any kind of tampering

01:34:43.700 you did like that had red flags all over it that said, we made this thing.

01:34:49.740 Teach people how to hide that only has a nefarious purpose.

01:34:56.940 And that is because he was getting so much money from the Defense Department?

01:35:00.060 Like he had to keep that money flowing.

01:35:01.600 I don't look, again, Megan, I don't look into his head.

01:35:04.920 I just show what the facts are.

01:35:07.000 He was getting the money.

01:35:08.240 He was doing these experiments.

01:35:10.660 And I can show that he knew that something had to escape this lab.

01:35:15.600 Because not only, but Ralph Baric's lab is famous as the most protective, the best protocols

01:35:25.800 way beyond federal protocols, way beyond any protocols that you use in the world.

01:35:30.500 Ralph Baric is famous.

01:35:32.260 He brags about it.

01:35:33.200 Other people brag about it.

01:35:34.440 And yet on his lab, he had at least a half a dozen escapes.

01:35:39.900 You know, mice that were infected bid people and infected them, et cetera.

01:35:43.780 So there was a lot of disasters.

01:35:45.600 So they knew the Chinese labs, the Chinese weren't even using their BSL-4 lab, which is

01:35:50.980 the highest level.

01:35:51.860 They were making these things in BSL-2 labs.

01:35:55.420 The State Department was writing letters.

01:35:59.520 The embassy officials in China inspected the lab and wrote these alarm letters saying there's

01:36:06.380 no protocols here.

01:36:07.560 There's no personnel.

01:36:08.840 There's no safety.

01:36:10.500 You know, something we know something's going to escape.

01:36:13.020 And every lab there's escapes from.

01:36:15.460 And this lab was clear.

01:36:17.660 And so, you know, if you're a guy with a long history of taking part in fabricating pandemics,

01:36:28.860 you know, I guess it's plausible that one way of creating a real pandemic would be to do these,

01:36:39.600 a lot of these experiments in a lot of different places where, you know, something is bound to escape.

01:36:44.720 I'm not saying he did that because I cannot look into his head.

01:36:47.840 And I'm saying it's something it's the consideration that, you know, we know that he knew it was there were improper safety protocols.

01:36:57.520 And yes, but that's where you lose me on, you know, the suggestion, understanding you're not in his head, that it was intentional. 0.98

01:37:04.260 I just that's that's suggesting he's a sociopathic lunatic. 0.99

01:37:08.600 I agree with that. 0.99

01:37:10.640 And I withdraw that.

01:37:11.940 And I didn't say that.

01:37:13.880 I think if you replay the tape that I said, it's plausible to imagine that this might happen.

01:37:18.940 But again, I withdraw it.

01:37:20.360 And it's something that I don't do in the book.

01:37:22.240 I don't expect to play.

01:37:23.360 I just tell the facts and I don't ask you a question.

01:37:27.020 OK, I got it.

01:37:27.560 I got it.

01:37:27.800 So let me ask you this, because we covered this on the show, but there was the moment after we saw the first few cases and they the virologists started to look at the virus.

01:37:38.880 You know, they get their first look at it.

01:37:40.480 And there was reporting that that he Fauci and Francis Collins, who was then running in our NIH, they had a conference call with all these maybe 12 top virologists in the world.

01:37:52.300 And they said, let's take a look.

01:37:54.220 You know, what do we think this is?

01:37:55.380 And that virtually all of them came into this call.

01:38:00.260 And the notes reflect that saying this is manmade.

01:38:03.420 This looks manmade.

01:38:04.680 Looks like it's from a lab.

01:38:06.100 And then miraculously, days later, after.

01:38:10.220 Yeah, four days later.

01:38:11.780 And after who knows what communications with Fauci and Collins behind the scenes, they all did a 180 and they all stand behind that 180 to this day.

01:38:21.140 It was like, oh, and yet they have failed to share with the rest of us.

01:38:26.600 What was it that changed your very strongly held opinions that it was manmade to this very strongly held opinion, which they were now calling racist that it they were calling the manmade theory racist to change it.

01:38:40.300 182.

01:38:40.840 No, no, no.

01:38:41.320 It definitely came from an animal zoonotic origin, even though to this day we have yet to find the animal.

01:38:46.040 They've examined it, as I said earlier, 80,000 animals haven't found it.

01:38:51.960 Yeah, Megan, it's also noteworthy that all of those people on that telephone call were receiving.

01:38:58.440 We're doing work at the Wuhan lab or we're receiving money from Tony Fauci from NIH that, you know, and not just a little money, tens of millions of dollars and more.

01:39:13.780 Or from Wellcome Trust, which is the British version of the Gates Foundation.

01:39:23.800 And, you know, it's kind of almost like functions as an arm of the pharmaceutical industry.

01:39:30.740 It's essentially the GlaxoSmithKline stock portfolio.

01:39:36.000 And even more interesting, almost all the key players on that phone call who then took part in creating all of this literature out there that, you know, that characterized suggestions of Lablee as crackpot conspiracy theories.

01:39:55.860 I got thrown off of Instagram, you know, for saying that Congress should investigate this.

01:40:03.700 Virtually all of them following their publications in the Lancet and Nature Medicine received huge, huge grants from Tony Fauci.

01:40:15.860 I mean, grants of, you know, 30 million, 40 million, I think up to 60 million.

01:40:21.100 Kristen Anderson, I don't remember exactly what he got, but it could have been as high as 60 million dollars spent after he performed that very, very important task for the, you know, for the medical cartel and the orthodoxy.

01:40:37.360 We check that, too, that they not only had they received grants beforehand, they grant they received them after their miraculous and as yet unexplained 180.

01:40:46.580 So it goes to a larger point that you make in the book, which is that there's the you call it the medical cartel, but there is no daylight between Anthony Fauci and his group and big pharma.

01:41:01.040 And there there needs to be.

01:41:02.720 Yeah, I mean, if people ask, how do you fix this?

01:41:06.560 And, you know, that's what you need.

01:41:08.420 You need an independent regulator.

01:41:10.520 We need regulators that are not getting money from pharma, that are not, you know, doing pharma's bidding, but aren't really working for public health.

01:41:17.980 The American people that are using real science. 0.72

01:41:20.460 Listen, you can go in the you can go on the public health records or Kaiser, the HMO records.

01:41:28.140 If let's say you're a young associate professor at UCLA medical school, you want to do a publication and easy publication would do get a hold of the Kaiser Permanente medical records, a depersonalized version.

01:41:42.200 So you can't tell who the people are and then look at the vaccine records and look at associations with subsequent diagnoses for autism or ADD or or peanut allergies.

01:41:54.360 If you try to do a study, propose a study like an NIH is going to find out they fund everything and, you know, it's likely that the dean of your medical school will get a call from you walk in class or, you know, one of Tony Fauci's other operatives saying, you know, don't let this.

01:42:15.100 Don't let this clown do this study or is going to put 50 or 60 or a hundred million dollars in annual funding from NIH to your medical school in jeopardy.

01:42:26.780 So, oh, you know, between him and Gates and welcome trust Jeremy for our. 0.95

01:42:32.540 It was up to his neck in Wuhan.

01:42:36.020 They provide 64 percent of the biomedical research on the planet.

01:42:42.440 And if you are a young researcher, a scientist, you know, a professor at a medical school, they have the capacity not only to make your career, but also to ruin it.

01:42:55.540 And that's the way that they control not only the scientific studies that get done, but also the outcome of all those studies across the planet.

01:43:05.540 And, you know, what Fauci has done, what he's supposed to do, that kind of study.

01:43:13.380 Instead, what he does is he spends the bulk of his budget developing medications, which they then farm out to the university to do phase one, phase two, and phase three trials.

01:43:25.940 And the university could make a hundred million dollars on one of those trials.

01:43:31.660 Also gets royalty rights to the drug they're developing.

01:43:34.880 Then when it is so NIAID takes royalty rights.

01:43:39.540 The university takes royalty rights.

01:43:41.440 The principal investigator, who is the professor at the university, who's running the clinical trial, recruiting the, you know, the volunteers.

01:43:49.480 He may get $15,000 of volunteer in grant money, and then he gets royalty rights.

01:43:57.400 And then the pharmaceutical industry comes in for the phase three, and they then own the bulk of the patent, but they're sharing royalty rights with all these other players.

01:44:08.860 So everybody is now corrupted.

01:44:11.500 Everybody is making money on this drug, and the people who are supposed to be telling us, does the drug actually benefit people, or is it just making money for pharma?

01:44:22.860 Those people don't exist.

01:44:25.860 Up next, RFK on why Dr. Fauci seems obsessed with making sure all of us get the COVID jab again and again and again.

01:44:38.660 His theory, next.

01:44:41.500 Well, you make the related point that Fauci has managed to populate the FDA, the CDC, with all of his loyalists now, which would explain so much of what we saw over the past two years.

01:45:00.420 Yeah, because, Megan, if you look at how these drugs get approved and recommended, they're not actually being approved by people who work at FDA, by FDA employees.

01:45:14.260 There are committees.

01:45:15.760 One of them is called the VRBAC Committee inside of FDA, and then the ACIP Committee and CDC Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices.

01:45:26.920 And the FDA Committee approves the drug, and then the CDC Committee recommends it.

01:45:33.760 But they're not made up of employees of those agencies.

01:45:37.640 They're recruited from outside of those agencies, and almost all of them are recruited from the pharmaceutical industry.

01:45:43.220 Or they're academic investigators who are funded by Tony Fauci.

01:45:51.680 Tony Fauci gives away, with his military budget, he gives away a total of about $7.7 billion a year or more, maybe $8 billion now.

01:46:02.440 Now, NIH gives away $42 billion, and Tony Fauci has a lot to say about where that money goes.

01:46:11.040 So it's just, it's vast amounts of money, and it buys a lot of omerta, and that's the problem.

01:46:18.060 Okay, there's another point you make in the book that is fascinating to me.

01:46:24.040 If we know one thing about Fauci, it's that he is obsessed with telling us to get vaccinated.

01:46:30.640 Obsessed.

01:46:31.480 No matter what you ask him, it comes back to, get vaccinated, get boosted, boosted, boosted.

01:46:37.780 We need more, more, more, more, more, more, more, more.

01:46:40.320 And, you know, a lot of us have wondered, what, why, right?

01:46:44.960 And you make the point in the book about how it's been the vaccine over any therapeutics.

01:46:49.660 You know, this is why you claim he had to shame hydroxychloroquine, had to shame ivermectin.

01:46:54.100 It was like, no, it has to be all about the vaccine.

01:46:55.740 But I had never considered or, you know, read about what you posit in the book, which is, and I'm quoting,

01:47:03.360 by vaccinating the entire population, Dr. Fauci seems to be striving to eliminate the control group to hide vaccine injuries.

01:47:14.120 This is your opinion.

01:47:15.120 I understand that.

01:47:16.740 But that's a very interesting theory because we know, we know from firsthand testimonials we've had on this show and other shows,

01:47:23.380 people have been injured by the vaccine.

01:47:25.300 Not everyone.

01:47:25.960 Obviously, hundreds of millions of doses have been given.

01:47:27.620 But some people have been severely injured and almost to a person, their story ends with,

01:47:32.500 and I was dumped from the clinical trial and my result was not reported.

01:47:35.880 And the CDC went totally dark on me after acknowledging to me privately that I had a vaccine related injury.

01:47:41.520 Right.

01:47:41.840 So we we know injuries have happened.

01:47:44.120 And I and yet other than VAERS, which I know is not that reliable because you just self report and who knows.

01:47:51.260 Because we don't have something like a completely trusted database that's keeping track of the vaccine injuries that would help us truly understand the level of risk.

01:47:59.740 And I think this is a fascinating theory.

01:48:01.320 And there won't be is basically what you're saying, because he's trying to get rid of the group that doesn't that didn't get the vaccine.

01:48:09.560 So we won't have anything to compare it to.

01:48:11.320 Well, that's, you know, it's again, that's a a it's hard to explain.

01:48:21.860 It's sort of bewildering to explain why are they even when they know that the vaccines do not prevent transmission,

01:48:28.700 the vaccines do not prevent people from getting the disease.

01:48:31.860 Why is there this single minded obsession with forcibly vaccinating people with a with an experimental product?

01:48:41.500 Well, and let me just jump in.

01:48:42.520 And they know they know that the large, large groups that they're demanding get it are at virtually no risk from it.

01:48:47.720 You know, like the young children.

01:48:48.720 So so even.

01:48:50.120 Yeah, go ahead.

01:48:52.420 And yeah, I mean, people who really who get no benefit from the from the vaccine, it doesn't make any sense.

01:48:59.760 And there is a number of number of suppositions about why they are doing this.

01:49:06.020 And that's one of them.

01:49:07.520 I mean, it's a product that doesn't work.

01:49:09.440 It's a product that, you know, you get.

01:49:11.700 Well, you can't say that.

01:49:12.760 Right.

01:49:13.040 I don't I don't think I think that's a bridge too far.

01:49:15.020 I mean, you're 65 years old.

01:49:16.460 You get the vaccine.

01:49:17.100 You have a far less chance of getting severe illness or dying.

01:49:20.380 That's what they say.

01:49:22.740 And I I don't know whether that's true or not.

01:49:25.660 I know that I mean, Tony Fauci has admitted the two claims they made from the vaccine at the outset to justify the program was that prevent you from getting sick and preventing transmission and therefore ending the pandemic.

01:49:38.620 That those are not true.

01:49:39.900 It doesn't work against transmission.

01:49:42.400 It does not reduce it at all.

01:49:43.920 As far as the science is concerned, I'll say in their defense, and I'm anti mandate, but I will say in their defense, it worked better at preventing transmission on the original variant, the original form than it than it did as Delta came.

01:49:58.020 And then Omicron came.

01:49:59.040 I mean, if you look back, like during the first variant, they were saying we think it's going to prevent transmission.

01:50:03.920 We're not sure it's going to prevent transmission.

01:50:06.000 But it was doing better against that very first variant.

01:50:09.440 Yeah, I mean, you may be right about that.

01:50:11.420 I'd have to go back and look at the data.

01:50:13.660 But right now, I mean, we're not dealing with the new variant.

01:50:17.800 It doesn't work against Omicron transmission.

01:50:20.680 It doesn't work against Delta.

01:50:22.140 And we know I know it doesn't work against Delta because the Philippine studies that show that you have an equal viral role.

01:50:28.020 And Tony Fauci has admitted that.

01:50:29.620 So I don't know, and I can't say, and I think we're going to find out over time, hopefully, whether it actually does function in the way that we hope it does to prevent vaccine injury and death.

01:50:45.140 I'll say, you know, explain to your listeners that people wonder why did we need to suppress ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine?

01:50:55.800 These are well-established drugs with well-established safety profiles that have got billions of doses that have been given.

01:51:02.720 Ivermectin is a human drug.

01:51:04.480 It also works on horses, but it won the Nobel Prize because it works so well on human beings.

01:51:12.220 Tony Fauci's problem is this.

01:51:14.320 There is a little-known federal law that says you cannot give an emergency use authorization to a vaccine.

01:51:22.580 If there is any medication approved for any purpose that is shown effective against the target disease.

01:51:34.860 So if Tony Fauci or anybody had admitted that hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin are effective against COVID, it would have been illegal for them to give the emergency use authorizations to the vaccines and they could never have gotten them approved.

01:51:51.500 And it would have been, you know, a 200 billion enterprise that would have collapsed.

01:51:55.540 That is fascinating.

01:51:59.340 I mean, I have been covering this very closely now for all of the two years.

01:52:03.120 That's the first I've heard that, I mean, in your book.

01:52:06.700 So he would not have gotten emergency use authorization for the vaccine if the medical community had been saying,

01:52:14.520 ivermectin works, it is an effective treatment for COVID.

01:52:18.460 Well, the medical community, a lot of it was saying that.

01:52:22.860 I mean, there's 17,000 doctors who've signed a petition and there are, you know, there are so many peer-reviewed publications now that consistently say that.

01:52:34.960 But he had to aggressively crusade against it to kind of drown out those reports by saying it's a horse medication.

01:52:43.060 And it's, you know, people are taking it and it's dangerous and it's overdosing people.

01:52:49.400 And, you know, why do you keep saying it?

01:52:50.940 Why do you, why do you keep saying it after he got his authorization?

01:52:55.360 Well, one, even if you have the emergency use authorization, it's it.

01:53:01.100 The law appears to say you can't have it anymore if there's a functioning medication.

01:53:06.020 Oh, you know, that may be why, again, I try not to look in his head, but I do.

01:53:13.900 There's a very, very strong incentive for him to kill ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine.

01:53:20.020 And, you know, there are many doctors, including Harvey Reach of Yale, who is one of the leading biostatisticians, epidemiologists in the world.

01:53:30.180 Peter McCulloch, who is the most published doctor in the history of the world in his specialty.

01:53:39.160 Pierre Corey, these doctors who have treated tens of thousands of of covid patients successfully.

01:53:47.800 They consistently say and the science supports this, that half a million Americans did not need to die.

01:53:55.740 It should be noted for the record.

01:53:57.120 You're not a medical doctor.

01:53:58.360 Don't claim to be.

01:53:59.120 Anthony Fauci is a medical doctor who's, as far as we know, never treated a covid patient.

01:54:03.020 So just for the record, I want to ask you, though, because you mentioned the fact that you got bounced off of Instagram where you had a very healthy following.

01:54:11.540 I think a million people or so.

01:54:14.280 Correct me if I'm wrong on the numbers, but you got bounced off of there for saying we need to investigate the lab leak theory.

01:54:21.580 You've been I think you're number two on the White House's, quote, disinformation dozen.

01:54:26.640 So we've had a very strange situation where you have government action to try to silence a private citizen from expressing his viewpoints, which is totally contrary to the First Amendment.

01:54:38.060 And everyone seemed to roll over and say, yeah, OK, fine.

01:54:40.700 As long as we're shutting up RFK Jr., that's fine.

01:54:43.660 That's that's OK with us because he's, you know, anti covid vaccine or he's raising questions about the covid vaccine.

01:54:49.060 So I wonder how you feel now that some of the claims that, you know, you were making have borne out.

01:54:56.220 Right.

01:54:56.380 Like the lab leak theory now is you're now you're allowed to talk about that.

01:55:00.500 And, you know, some of the questions about ivermectin.

01:55:03.420 Now people are talking about ivermectin as a serious thing and so on.

01:55:06.440 We could go down the list.

01:55:07.680 What do you think about the censorship you've endured?

01:55:10.520 Oh, I mean, to me, Megan, that's the most disturbing feature of this.

01:55:15.820 And that is where we will pick it up tomorrow with part two, the efforts to silence Robert, the personal toll it has taken on his marriage to Cheryl Hines and why he refuses, despite all of it, to back down.

01:55:31.120 Here's a preview.

01:55:32.380 When your spouse is on the side of the other people, you know, you've done wrong, right?

01:55:36.960 Because your spouse is rooting for you.

01:55:39.180 Yeah.

01:55:39.660 Well, my spouse is is generally rooting for me.

01:55:42.800 But let me tell you, you know, I I want to say this.

01:55:46.640 I, you know, I encourage Cheryl to publish that statement.

01:55:52.580 In fact, I asked her to do a statement that was much tougher than that.

01:55:57.000 Really?

01:55:58.340 Which, yes, because.

01:56:01.500 And I'm glad she didn't.

01:56:03.200 I'm very glad she didn't.

01:56:04.940 But I actually gave her language that was much, much tougher than that, because she needed to distance herself from me.

01:56:12.800 I, my job at her husband is to protect her and the, the arrows and the bullets that were being slung at me were hitting her.

01:56:22.000 But my activities, the jeopardizing this thing that this incredible person put together was just, like, I felt like my job is to protect her and I was doing the opposite of my job.

01:56:38.200 So my heart was breaking and I was, you know, I would have done it, taken any blow to make sure that she could distance herself.

01:56:51.320 Plus, he shares the one moment that has always stayed with him after his father's assassination.

01:56:58.000 Before we go, we wanted to let you know that we did reach out to Dr. Anthony Fauci and Dr. Ralph Baric.

01:57:03.820 Neither responded to our request or comment.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - November 27, 2024

Incoming HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Deep Dive, Part 1 - on Fauci, Vaccines, and Big Pharma

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